Joe Rogan Experience #2499 - Marcus King

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> What's up, Marcus? Good to see you, brother. What's happening? >> It's crazy to be here. >> It's crazy to have you here, man. And. thank you so much for the guitar. That's. the dopest [ __ ] that anybody's ever. given me. >> Oh, man. I hope you like it. >> I'm sure I like it. I just can't play. And I I would love to learn how to play, but I know my brain and I I can't give.

my brain another thing to do. >> You've got a lot. >> Well, the problem is I get obsessed with. things. And then. >> me, too. >> I'm sure you can't get as good as you. got without getting obsessed. >> Are you like this? Like I don't like. doing things I'm not good at. >> I love doing things I'm not good at to. get good at them. >> Right. But it's it's it's just it's not. leisurely to me to play golf. Like I. can't enjoy it because I'm I'm bad at. it. Well, you'll enjoy it if you get. good at it, but the problem is to get. good at it, then you got to get. obsessed. Yeah. And then you got to take.

less. Like Jamie's got a [ __ ] virtual. reality thing in the back where he. whacks balls every day. He's a. >> Oh, yeah. >> He's obsessive. >> Recovering from hitting today. >> Sweating. Wow. >> Hot. >> My drummer is a really good golfer. >> Golf is one of those things that if you. get into that, man, that's your whole. [ __ ] day. That's. >> three or four days a week on the road. When I was living in Boston, I noticed. that the comedians that really got into. golf, their career kind of stalled. >> because all they were they were just.

playing golf all day, having fun, drinking, and then they would go to the. club at night, but they weren't writing. any new jokes. They weren't obsessing. >> on their career. They kind of stalled. out a little. >> When I still drank, I really liked. golfing. Then I quit drinking. I was. like, I don't really like this. >> When did you quit drinking? Uh well I. quit a few times but uh most recent time. was like a year and a half ago. >> Were you quitting because it was you. were just off the rails or like got to.

get your health in order? >> Uh it was a it was kind of a combo deal, you know. Um like when I met my wife uh. at that point I thought that I could. drink like a gentleman. Um and it just. never really worked out that way. There. was, you know, there's just something in. me that just wanted to completely burn. my life to the ground every time I. drank, you know, >> a real destructive quality. >> Ooh, that's not good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Fortunately, I never had that. But. that is a thing. I've seen that. What is.

that? >> I think it's. I think a lot of it is repressed. emotions. Um, and that's where they find you when. your when your brain is. >> off the bottle. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> They go, "Hey, Marcus.". >> Yeah, man. >> Let's get those problems out. >> It seduces me. It's like, you don't need. anybody. [ __ ] everybody. That woman that. married you, she you don't want her.

Like, >> I think sometimes people do that to. almost like save themselves from. heartbreak. Sometimes you kind of like. wreck it yourself. It's like making fun. of yourself before anyone else can. Right. >> It's like that thing. >> Yeah. Right. Like just assume it's going. to go bad eventually. Let's get this. [ __ ] train on the tracks right now. Crack pour. >> That was that was kind of my, you know, that was my approach for a while. I just.

um I don't know, man. I was just I. didn't want to feel anything. So that. was all that was where it would always. end up because I remember even asking my. wife like a couple years ago we opened. up for the AIT brothers in Raleigh, North Carolina. And at that point, I'd. been sober for like six months and I was. like, I really think I can handle it, you know? And then and then got to it's. like famous last words like I chug a a. jumbo white claw. Like I started with a. jumbo white claw and I just got.

completely hammered, blacked out. Pissed. my wife off so bad. Like I woke up and I. was at our friend's house still like on. the floor. >> and she left in my bus. >> and like my wallet everything was on the. bus. I had no identification. She was. like, "You can [ __ ] figure it out, man.". >> Wow. >> And uh the bus turned around come and. got me. But. >> um. >> yeah, she doesn't play any games. >> So did you stop then? >> Yeah, I did. I did. >> Oh, so one night? Yeah, I had one night.

off the leash and I realized I couldn't. handle it, you know? There's just some. kind of quality in me that's like I. can't stop, you know? And maybe someday. I'll find that it's like I got to get. right in here, you know, and in here. >> with myself. >> before I can really. >> consider that again. >> I quit drinking for about eight months. just because I realized I just wasn't. feeling good. I was doing because of the.

club. I was at the club every night and. you know it's like one night someone. would say, "Hey, let's do shots." I'll. do a shot. I want to be, you know, cordial, hang out with everybody, sense. of community. Let's all do it together. Come on, boys. And then, you know, it's. two drinks, three drinks. Go home, get. up, feel like [ __ ] work out, do it. again the next day, feel even shittier. the next day. And it's like, god damn, I. got to take some time off. So, I took.

about eight months off, I think. I think. I'm not exactly sure how much time I. took off. And then, uh, I had like a. drink with dinner one night and I said, "This all right." And so, since then, I've never gotten drunk. I've only had a. drink or two. >> Yeah. >> You know, so I've managed it, but I was. not an alcoholic. I was just realizing. that all this fun was it was messing up. the rest of my time. I was like, "What. is it? There's an expression that when. you're drinking like the you're you're.

taking a loan out on the good times that. you could have had for some good times. you can have right now and then you got. to pay it back.". >> Yeah. With with interest. >> Yeah. Well, physic the problem is. physically for me it just wasn't worth. it. >> I just I would be working out at the gym. going, "Why why am I doing this? I keep. feeling like shit." And every time I'm. working out, I'm pushing through all. this, you know, toxic [ __ ] that I poured.

down my throat the night before. And my. body's recovering from it. So, I feel. tired and drained. And then my brain. wasn't working as well, you know? That was that's what it was for me was. like the anxiety. >> and just like the um the dopamine. depletion. >> and just feeling just completely just. like and I'm somebody who was already. struggling with like that's why I drink. in the first place. It's like my mental. issues and just anxiety and depression.

and and then it would just kind of hit. me tfold the next day. Um, >> it's always interesting to me someone. with anxiety chooses a path in life like. live performing. >> Yeah. >> Because like if there's anything that. gives people anxiety, it's live. performing and you're really good at it, >> which is crazy. It's like, you know, you're you're picking this thing that. you're really good at, but that gives a. lot of people anxiety and you have.

anxiety to begin with. >> Yeah. I mean, it's like there's there's. something to that. It's like Dan Soder, I always quote him on this. He's like, you know, I go around each night like. craving the approval of like thousands. of people a night. You're like, you. didn't think I was doing that cuz things. went well growing up, you know? Like, I'm [ __ ] up. I need I need all these. people to tell me I'm doing a good job. But. um. >> I think the idea is that eventually you.

channel that and when you get yourself. the idea some people have this idea that. if you ever get yourself together. somewhat. and I don't think anybody ever gets. totally together but you get yourself. together somewhat and then you don't you. don't do it for the approval of it. who. do it for the love of the art of it, >> the thing, and bringing the thing to. people and getting enjoyment out of. having these people have a good time. Y. >> I think you I think that can be done. I. think you can shift your focus from I.

just want these people's love to I want. to give them love. I want everyone to. have a good time, you know? I want to be. up there just [ __ ] having a good. time. They're having a good time. We all. have a good time together. I make their. lives feel better for a brief moment. I. feel better. Everybody's Everybody's. better off. >> And that's the [ __ ] man. That's what I. crave. And that I mean, that's why like. we just did a run of Texas Honky Tons, which that's that was kind of the the.

goal was just to get everybody in these. sweaty rooms just for the purpose of. just like enjoying music again, getting. back to these sticky floors. >> Yeah. Well, you reached out to me. because we were talking on the podcast. about how rock and roll is kind of dead. And you said, "Fucking rock and roll. ain't dead. Come on." And I was like, "All right. Well, is anybody that could. tell me that rock and roll is not dead? It's Marcus King, man.". Yeah. I was um my boy Ben Jernigan, he. told me, he was like, "You should text. Joe." Cuz I I I'm an avid listener. I.

was like, "You think I should say. something?" He's like, "Yeah, [ __ ]. tell Rock and Roll ain't dead, man. It's. here tonight. Green Hall. >> Well, it's not dead, but it's different. >> And a lot of the rock that's out now. that's doing really well is like a. southern inspired rock, which is. interesting. There's like a southern. almost country like rock, like bluesy. country rock, you know, red clay strays, like that kind of [ __ ] They're doing. great. Yeah.

>> It's like there's a lot of that out. there, you know, like people people are. digging that kind of music, but there's. just, you know, when I talk about like. rock, I mean, like when I was in high. school, it was all Van Halen, AC/DC, like that. There was so many big rock. and roll bands, the Stones, you know, there was just so much of that out. there. And it's odd that there's not a. lot of big bands like that anymore.

>> I think it's coming back around. >> I got to hope so. >> It doesn't make sense to me because like. the classic rock is still like we're. we're in the green room and uh Freeird. comes on. Still everybody's going nuts. >> I mean, >> you know, I mean there's classics. Another southern rock and roll band, Leonard Skard. But there's there's still. like a love of that kind of music, but. it's just it's weird that it kind of,

you know, just didn't I don't know what. happened. >> Well, it's interesting how cyclical the. music industry can be. And like. >> I feel like for the first time in the. last 10 years, like since Urban Cowboy. came out, like cuz I mean for the last. 10 years I've been going to LA with a. cowboy hat on and I always get the same. [ __ ] like, "Well, where do you want to. park your horse?" You know, like, "What. are you up to, cowboy?" People just. talking [ __ ] But now I go out there and. everybody's got a cowboy hat on. Really?

>> It's like chic. Yeah, >> that's interesting. >> It's like in Vogue, >> like the cowboy thing. >> and makes you not want to wear a cowboy. hat. >> Well, you know, it's just I think rock. and roll is kind of having a a similar. resurgence. >> God, I hope so. I hope so. You know, I. mean, there's got to be people out there. that still love it. And I just don't I. mean, I just don't understand how. there's no new big bands like that.

>> Well, it's interesting. You know, I was. actually I was in the gym watching um. Led Zeppelin at Royal Albert Hall. >> Oh, wow. >> And I was like, "This is a [ __ ] jam. band. They're jamming.". >> Mhm. >> You know, >> and I'm like, it just like the Almond. Brothers band was a jam band, but like. they had guidelines and that's kind of. how we do our show. like we have songs. that we're playing just to get to that. that improvisational section where we.

can just kind of, you know, work with. the chemistry of the crowd and each. other on stage. >> And it's just um. it's interesting to me like the way. things have become subdivided, you know? It's like you're not a jam band unless. it's like widespread or like Fish or. like the Dead or something like that. But like Zeppelin was a [ __ ] jam. band. >> Yeah. In a lot of ways. Yeah. Especially. when they're performing live. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's.

What is that band that sounds like. Zeppelin? >> Gretan Fleet. >> Yeah. Gretan Fleet. They're [ __ ]. great. They are great. >> It's weird. >> It's weird cuz they sound so much like. Zeppelin. But they're really good. So. like I give them a pass. >> They get a pass from me. I mean they're. my boys. I I really I really like those. dudes. Like we used to party together a. bunch. They live in Nashville. And uh. the guitar player, Jake, he's. um he's just the sweetest guy. Like he.

gave me a housewarming gift. He's like. really into pirate stuff. >> Pirate stuff. >> Yeah. He's really into piracy. And he. gave me he gave me a like a like a um. like a musket pistol. >> Oh wow. >> Like what a pirate would have carried. around. I got. >> a real one. >> Yeah. >> So like from the olden days. >> Yeah. >> Oh [ __ ] That's got to be worth a lot of. [ __ ] money. >> Yeah. I mean, they're doing pretty well. >> Wow. What is a old musket pistol run? How much can you get one of them for?

See if you can find something, Jamie. >> Musket. >> Yeah, an old musket pistol. You know, when um the concistadors took over. Mexico. That's They had 12 of those. That's it. >> 12 guns. >> 12 musket pistols. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I looked that up on Perplexity. I. was I was diving deep into how the [ __ ]. Mexico became Spanish. >> Yeah. >> You know, like what happened? How did. they like they lost like a hundred. indigenous languages at least? >> Wow. >> It's kind of crazy. But here it is.

>> What? You can get one from 195 bucks. >> Modern reproduction. >> Oh, reproductions. What about a real one. >> down here? >> Antique ones. Uh 17th century Barbie. wars antique pirate flint lock pistol. recently sold for $416. That's it. >> Yeah. >> H. >> that seems crazy. >> That seems crazy. That's a. >> It's pretty good for a gift budget. >> I'd say it looks based off how many. reproductions and what you just said.

there being 12 back then. There might. not be that many of them that exist. So. they have to make reproductions. But if. this says antique pirate era musketss. and it said it sold for 416 bucks I mean. from the 17th century. >> Maybe it sucks. Maybe it's a bad one. That's all they can get. >> But it's from the 1600s and it sold for. 416 bucks. >> I'll try to look it up. >> Can you see what what those look like? >> This should show up. >> We'll see if we can get one. >> We should get one and put it on the. wall. Oh [ __ ] Look at that one.

>> How much is that one? >> That's I think that's the one that sold. for 400 bucks. That says $155. What? >> That's crazy. >> How are they so cheap? >> There's the one for 416. >> God, that seems like they should be. almost priceless. I mean, this is from the [ __ ] 1600s. and it's sold for 400 bucks. That one sold for 200 bucks. >> Wow. >> Just go pick them up. There's a store in. Austin. I bet they've got a bunch.

>> No way. >> Yeah. >> Really? >> Well, I went to the store. Well, they've. got a bunch of weird [ __ ] like this. They must They would have to have them. if they're only 300 bucks, I guess. I. would say. >> And all kinds of armor and guns and. cannons and weird [ __ ]. >> What? What place is this? >> It's called like Collector's. I'll look it up real quick. >> There's something weird about those. dudes who like uh want to recreate wars. >> Yeah, >> that's an odd thing. That's a very odd. thing. >> Yeah. I mean, I've got the facial hair. of a Civil War reactor, but that's about.

as close as I get. >> On the wall. >> Oh, wow. >> That's in Austin. >> Yeah. >> No [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's pretty [ __ ] dope. >> Yeah. >> Collector's Crossroads. >> Popped in there one day to see what it. was about. >> And they have little musket pistols. >> They got all kinds of [ __ ]. >> I wonder how do you know the. >> crossbows swords? >> Crossbow's just a shitty gun. I'm not a fan. >> What if it was a pirates crossbow? >> Yeah, I guess it's kind of cool. But.

it's just uh. it is weird that we're really into like. old like you you know it's interesting. you're holding something that's a piece. of history. And what history is is like. at the time this was the [ __ ]. >> Like at the time this was like the. coolest thing you can get. Like 400. years ago if you wanted to kill somebody. this was the way to do it. You had to. get one of these things, which is very. odd. >> Yeah, >> it's just very odd that. >> Oh, look at all this stuff. >> I don't know if it was George Washington. [ __ ] there, but they had That's what it.

looks like. It would be. >> George Washington swords. >> I don't know. >> We should get one of those for Shane. He's a big George Washington fan. >> Look, there you go. >> Oh, wow. Look at that. That's crazy. >> So, yeah. I mean, I don't even know what. that. >> That's a weird one. Look at the handle. on that [ __ ]. >> Says from Middle East, Central Asia. That could be. >> Oh, look. It's got like a dragon mouth. on the back of it. >> That's pretty sweet. >> Wow. >> Huh. >> All right. So, >> we need one of those. >> All right. Let's take a road trip,

Jamie. >> We should probably do it before this. episode comes out. >> Grab it tonight. >> Yeah, we need to go down there today. before this episode go [ __ ] up their. business. Go there. It's empty. All these dorks. have [ __ ] armor all over their house. now. It's just people that are really into. like the old wars and recreating old. wars. I always I always want to know. like what's wrong with you? Like what. happened to you? Like. >> Yeah. It's um I grew up with a kid that.

was like that that was obsessed with. like everything Army, Navy. Um but he. his father was in the military but he. had never gone into the military. They. wouldn't they wouldn't accept him. >> Why? >> I don't know. He was I don't think he. could ever pass the physical. He was a a. bigger dude. >> Oh, okay. >> His name was Maurice. >> As spring shifts into summer, for a lot. of people that means traveling and. planning and making sure you're in the. right shape. Whatever you get up to. though, make sure you're taking extra.

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that's a bad memory of mine. Just. hanging on the the pull-up bar in front. of all my my classmates and not being. able to do one pull-up. Just hanging. there. >> What is the presidential fitness test? >> Uh it's something they did when I was a. kid. It's like they wanted to make sure. that you could do like 10 push-ups or. however many pull-ups or whatever. >> How many pull-ups do you have to do for. the presidential fitness test? >> Uh well, there's different standard, but. they literally, this was going on last. week. They just started it up again.

Donald Trump had uh like Bryson Desambo. in the White House with a couple guys. Gary Player, golfer. >> Well, they had kids in there also. >> That's funny. >> It's funny because you I' I'd go, "Hey, why don't you do it? >> Let me see you do a [ __ ] up, bro.". >> 22 push-ups for a 10-year-old. >> 22 push-ups. That's a lot. >> Yeah. 45 curl-ups. That's crazy. >> Six pull-ups. That's a lot. What's a. curl up? with the other way like biceps.

Uh hands, you know, pull up with your. hands. >> 45. >> Yeah. >> Come on. >> That's crazy. >> Wait a minute. >> In an 8 minutee mile. >> Come on. Is that really? >> It says six pull-ups or 45 curl-ups. But. curl-ups aren't that much easier than. pull-ups, are they? >> I remember when I was 10, they were. >> What? >> But that's just being a 10-year-old cuz. your body you only weigh like 60, you. know? I don't know. Kids are light. Usually, lighter than I am. I was. heavier than most. >> Yeah, that's I was going to say there.

are different standards. I remember kids. some. >> But bro, 45 is crazy. That seems That. seems excessive. >> That seems like a lot of reps. I don't. even understand how that's possible. That that's the standard. I don't think. I could do that. >> Uh actually, I think there are sit-ups. It's calling it a curl-up cuz here it. says it measures abdominal strength. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Sit-ups. >> Okay. Oh, why are they calling it. curl-ups? cuz it was like 45 chin-ups. So, it's like there's pull-ups and. chin-ups. Which one's a pull-up? Which.

one's a chin-up? >> Pull-up hands over. >> Okay. And then chin up. >> And I was saying, "Yeah, that's what I. >> 45 of those would be bonkers. That's cra. I can't do that. That's cuz like six. pull-ups I could do easy." But 45 But. sit-ups is still hard. That's hard, too. >> Well, >> that's a lot. >> It's a standard, >> huh? >> Not every kid's there. That seems like a. lot of kids wouldn't be there for 45. situps. >> Yep. >> What are they trying to do?

>> What are they doing to us? >> I would fail on that, too. So, they. couldn't draft me. These [ __ ]. are talking about drafting people. I was. listening to Tim Dylan show and he was. saying that Pal see if this is true that. Palunteer thinks that uh we should. reintroduce conscription conscription. that kids should start getting drafted. again into military and they should have. mandatory military experience for kids. I just don't understand why anybody. would want to support that. That sounds. crazy, especially after this Iran war where. everybody's like, "Why the [ __ ] are we.

in Iran?" And if you signed up for that, that sounds nuts. Is that real? Palanteers publicly call for the US to. move away from an allv volunteer. military and towards some form of. universal national service that many. observers interpret as reintroducing a. draft or conscription. >> Yeah, Tim got into this manifesto that I. didn't I haven't looked into this yet.

>> Why the [ __ ] would a tech company be. saying that we need to move towards a. universal national military service? How. about [ __ ] you? How about [ __ ] you, youug go? Because you know none of these tech. dorks that are running these companies, they're not doing it. Like what are you. what are you talking about? >> Yeah. >> Throwing meat into the machine, right? >> Throwing people's children into these. unnecessary wars. [ __ ] you. >> It's scary. >> It's very scary. It's scary that they.

would like how about let's figure out a. way to use your technology so there's no. more wars. Wouldn't that be a better. goal, >> right? >> Instead of getting kids to [ __ ] learn. how to go shoot people they don't know. >> Sure. >> Because someone tells you to. >> And how many of these out of all the. wars that we've been in since World War. II? Is it zero that made sense? I think. it's zero. I don't think there's one war. that we've been in since World War II. that makes any [ __ ] sense at all.

>> Sure. and they're like, I think the the. solution is we need more people to be. forced into it. >> I mean, what would a draft look like in. today's culture? I mean, like with. inclusion, would it be like anybody at. 18 years old can be drafted or do you. think it would still be just able-bodied. young men? >> That's a good question. I, you know, I'm for people doing. whatever they want, but when it comes to. like combat,

you're going to draft women, that would. be [ __ ] insane. That would be insane. So, are you not going to Are you going. to be sexist? Are you going to Yeah. Are. you going to go inclusion and say. everybody has to do it? Well, then. that'll be good for America cuz most. people would say, "Get the [ __ ] out of. here. Yeah, there's not a chance in hell. we're doing that, >> right? >> I just don't understand how people that. aren't elected officials that. essentially just run a tech company. would think it's a good idea to call for.

national military service. I've heard. other people say that, too. I've heard. like podcasters and weird tech people. say it's a good idea. And I don't know. what the [ __ ] they're thinking. I think. they should have to go over there and. experience war and then and then come. back and see if you really think the. same thing. >> Sure. I I buy that. I mean, or at least. go on like a USO tour or something. Go. with Jeffrey Ross to see what it's. about, you know? >> Well, then you're just going to meet. people that are happy to see you. You.

need to actually see combat. I just don't get why we're even. listening to them. You You make. software. Keep doing that. >> Yeah. It's interesting that they would. even have the. >> like why would they say that? >> It doesn't No, it doesn't sound good. And it's also they make weird. surveillance software that a lot of. people are like but how much are you. surveillance how much power do you have? Like Tim Dylan went pretty deep on it on. the show which is I can't recommend. enough. If you did not listen to Tim. Dylan show you're [ __ ] up. It's the.

funniest [ __ ] take on all the chaos. that's going on in the world. I don't. think there's anybody better right now. His His podcast is [ __ ] phenomenal. Um it's my must listen to podcast every. week. >> Yep. >> It's so good. I just listen. But if you watch it, it's. even more ridiculous. He was He did this. thing about them giving OMPic to babies. It was so funny. It was so ridiculous.

My dad did Ozmpic and he said, he said, "Man, you know, like you can eat through. that." He's like, he's like, "You can. just keep going. I mean, you won't feel. great, but you know, it curves your. appetite, but you can you can get it. down." Well, Tim talked about it because. he did it and he said it didn't just. stop his desire for food, it stopped his. desire for everything, which I've heard. Um, so there's some. people that think there's some good in. these GLP1s for addiction. Um, because.

it curbs whatever that is as well. So, it can help people with all kind all. kinds of addictions, too. Not just like. food addictions, alcohol, but gambling, like weird stuff. >> I heard that. >> Yeah, >> I did. I actually I was doing it for a. minute and it was around the time that I. was like one of the times I was trying. to quit drinking and I was working on a. record and um I was trying it out and it. actually curbed my desire for a drink.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What else did it do? >> Gave me really bad stomach cramps. >> Yeah. And also, I mean, that was like before I. really. I just I don't know at that at that time. in my life, I just wasn't really. concerned about what I put in my body, you know? I say that while I'm smoking a. cigarette, but you know, but dude, you're you're smoking natural. spirits. I think those are safe and. effective.

>> Yeah. You know, additive free. >> Yeah. Um, I just, uh, I always wonder. about these things when things come. along that give people an easy fix. Like, okay, maybe it works or maybe. there's some sort of side effect that's. going to [ __ ] you up for the rest of. your life. And for some people, there. is. I mean, some people are experiencing. all kinds of wild side effects. Stomach. paralysis is one of them. Um, Brian. Simpson got pancreatitis from it. >> Really? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. He was sick in bed for like two.

weeks. It [ __ ] him up. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, the long-term effects like. you just have no idea because it's new. >> You know, >> I've also heard that the problem is the. dosages are too high and what, you know, when you go into a doctor, they give you. a standard dosage and the way to do it, some people feel, is to make a much. smaller dose than what they're. prescribing. And that that's what you. need. You just need a little bit of a. curb to it. Not like a complete.

sessation of all desire to eat, >> right? Get to that that high dosage. really fast could probably be harmful. >> Or have some [ __ ] discipline. How. about try that out? How about try out. don't eat as much. >> Same thing, right? >> Except this way it's not going to kill. your body or kill your stomach or make. you go blind or what? What are the side. effects? >> I was just looking. >> because there's a lot of lawsuits. There's a [ __ ] ton of lawsuits that are. coming down the pipe because I think.

people have gone blind. I think I might. have made that up. Chuck that. But this there's some wild lawsuits. >> Yeah. >> Where people are claiming bad side. effects from this stuff, which you know. makes sense. It's a medication. People. vary biologically. >> Can cause vision. >> Permanent blindness. >> Yeah. So. >> in one eye. Oh, well, you know, you got. your other guy and now you got a. six-pack.

>> Eye stroke. >> Eye stroke. Oh, boy. >> Wow. >> Woo. Non arteritic anterior eskeemic. optic neuropathy. I don't think I said. that right. Sudden painless and often. permanent blindness in one eye. >> Sounds like a punk band. >> It does. >> There's the other ones. side effects. Uh, acute pancreatitis, that's what Brian got, gallbladder. problems, gastroparesis,

stomach paralysis, bowel obstructions, and potential thyroid tumors. H, mild GI. issues are common. These severe. complications require immediate medical. attention, often occurring more. frequently at higher doses. Yeah, that's. what they're saying. Uh it's apparently. when you're getting it from a. pharmaceutical drug company, you're. getting it that this is the argument for. um compoundingies apparently. And then then there's a new one that's. coming out. What is it called? Ratuide.

>> Retratide. >> Retatrutide. And this one is supposed to. be better because it doesn't cause. muscle loss and it doesn't cause bone. density loss and it's supposed to be. more effective. Huh. investigational. >> I mean, I don't I just typed in red a. true type was telling me. >> Isn't that a weird word? Investigational. Once weekly injectable. triple agonist medication targeting. GLP1, GIP, and gluccogen receptors.

developed by Eli Liy, showing. unprecedented weight loss results of up. to 24% in phase 2 trials. They say that. this is going to be a trillion dollar. medication. Or have some [ __ ] discipline. >> Yeah. >> Go to the gym, eat better, be healthy. Do what Jelly Roll did. >> Yeah. >> You know, Jelly Roll was at the club. last night. He's down 300 lb. >> That's [ __ ] nuts. >> He runs like five miles a day. He works.

out every day. >> He looks fantastic. He looks like a. different person. It's like I I knew him. when he was like 500 lb and now I know. him when he's in the twos. It's like. he's a different human. He looks. different. Like I know it's still Jelly. Roll, but it looks like a completely. different man. It's nuts. >> I remember when we did u I was in the. house band for Kill Tony at the Garden. and Jelly came out and did New York New. York. >> I was there. >> That's got to be a custom suit. >> I was like that's a big suit.

>> Yeah. >> And then the next time I saw him he was. like he is now. And um I mean help like. what I did cuz like I have an appetite, you know, like what I do now like I I'm. basically doing like a keto diet cuz I. like to eat a lot of whatever it is. Me. too. >> So if it's like a big salad, you know, or whatever, but I'm down like 25 pounds. doing that. >> Oh, that's nice. >> Yeah. >> Are you doing this with the help of a. nutritionist? Are you just doing it on. your own? >> Just doing it on my own.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You're laughing. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, it's just. um I've tried a few different routes, man. I've been I've been, you know, husky since I was a kid and shopping in. the husky department at Kmart, you know. >> Is this uh do you think it's a genetic. thing? Do you think it's the way you ate. as a child? What do you think? >> I think psychological a lot of it um it. was like the only thing I had control of. as a as a child is like food. It was. like and a scarcity mindset as well.

>> Yeah. >> Just like the way that I, >> you know, think about food is just, you. know, >> probably not the healthiest. So for me, it's just easier to say like I don't eat. these things cuz like if I eat bread or. something like that, it just hurts my. stomach now, you know, and I just I can. feel. like the difference when I don't eat it, you know? I just feel better. I have. more energy. I just. >> 100%. Yeah. >> Yeah. And once you get your body working.

on ketones too, the thing is you just. your brain functions better. That's one. of the more interesting things. This is. why people take things like um. um like ketone, what is it? Ketone IQ. >> That stuff's great. Like you just down. one of those little shots and it puts. you into ketosis temporarily. >> Oh, really? >> Mhm. Yeah. They're exogenous ketones. I. think the guy who just invented those. just died. Um, he was also a guy that worked for. Balco Labs. He developed the the clear.

that [ __ ] that Barry Bonds took. >> Okay. >> The steroids. So, this guy was a a. chemist. He was a scientist. I think. someone Oh, I think Chris Bell. Chris. Bell or Mark I think it was Mark Bell. just posted about it on his Instagram. page that this guy just died. This guy. was like one of America's great chemists. and he developed a lot of these things. including exogenous ketones according to. Mark. But um that's one of the things that I. noticed when I went into when I did the. carnivore diet is that immediately.

my brain just started functioning. better, which is what I try to eat most. of the time. Like this morning I ate um. sausage and eggs and sausage from an. animal that I shot. I like to do that. I. eat like I had Sable. This is the guy. So this is Mark's Instagram. The. greatest chemist of our time and. possibly any other. Patrick Arnold is. dead. Patrick Arnold's the guy who made. the cream and the clear for the Bonds. and Maguire uh oh that Bonds and.

Magguire bast blasted home runs off of. supposedly in addition to those. incredible inventions he also brought. exogenous ketones to the market. What. happened to that guy? How did he die? >> That's an interesting picture to put up. >> Yeah, >> looks like Oswald looking at Jack Ruby. >> He looks healthy. I want to know how he. died. I wonder how old that picture was. Organic chemist.

And Dion, too. Oh, he he had all those. uh pro what are what are those pro. hormones or whatever those things were. that people were taking that weren't. totally steroids, but they were kind of. steroid like. How did he die? Does it say a weird. website, too? Uh, he died at 60. >> Maybe he's experimenting on himself.

Why don't you just just put in cause of. death? >> I know. It should come up. You would think a guy who's working on. like performance and fitness. Does it say? No, >> there's a Reddit post, but I don't know. >> When you click on what happened Oh, to. David Arnold. >> Somebody else. >> Oh, Patrick Arnold. >> Huh. So, it just doesn't say how he.

died. >> Nope. And it just happened. So, there's. not a lot about. >> Oh, okay. So, it hasn't been released. yet. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't say. >> He made a lot of roids. You got to wonder. the dude who's like. doing so much work in anabolic steroids. He worked for Balco. They were the ones that were making. undetectable steroids. Do you know about. that whole story? >> This is back in the was it in the 90s, Jamie? >> The the Maguire.

>> around 2000. >> So, um they developed steroids that were. undetectable. So when they would test. for steroids, what they would do is they. would take because when I guess the way. it works is when they're doing a steroid. test, they're looking for very specific. molecules. So they invented a molecule. that had like additional things attached. to it where it wouldn't show up. And I'm. probably butchering that, but. essentially they were undetectable. steroids. One of them was called the. clear. And the guy who ran their lab was. called Balco Laboratories was this guy.

Victor Ki who eventually went to jail. for that. And then when he I don't know. why he went to jail, but he got out and. then became an anti-stereroid. sort of activist and he was I don't want. to say activist, but he was essentially. he was ratting people out and saying. that this guy's probably doing steroids. and this is how he's doing it. And then. a lot of uh athletes were using his. company to use steroidfree. performance-enhancing supplements that. were legal. So he would show you what's.

legal and how to do it. He knew a lot. about it because he did the illegal. stuff, too. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> I've got I've gotten a couple steroid. shots like before a show like if my. voice goes out. >> Like what kind? Is it like a cortisone. or. >> I guess that's what it is. It's like. that one that they shoot in your ass. Cheek. >> Hm. What does that do like for your. voice when your voice. >> goes just brings you back? >> Man, it's got to be rough when a [ __ ]. singer loses their voice. >> Yeah. I mean, people have asked me.

before like what my warm-up routine is, and like I've never had one. And I mean, >> two cigarettes, >> a couple cigarettes. It used to be shot. of whiskey. Um, if I was really in dire. straits, I would take uh like a handful. of sugar-free gummy bears and put uh. boiling water on that. >> Really? >> And then the gummy bears would like coat. my throat. Huh. >> Like honey, ginger, lemon. >> Yeah. Hot water and lemon is a really. good one. There's something about that. that eases. >> really. It's like time off is what [ __ ].

my voice up more than anything. >> Time off. >> Yeah. >> Really? Oh, so like your vocal cords get. out of shape. >> Mhm. >> Interesting. >> Cuz it's hard to like keep them up, you. know? Right. >> Unless you're like going in your garage. and screaming for two hours a night, you. know? >> That's crazy. I never thought about it. like that. Like your vocal cords are. essentially a muscle like any other and. they develop over time. >> and you get endurance. >> That makes sense. >> Yeah. So, like the pandemic was like the. first time that a lot of us like had any.

extended amount of time off from the. road and we all started noticing like or. at least me like I came back like. hurting a little bit. >> Oh, that makes sense. I saw Guns and. Roses in Athens, Greece. >> and uh Axel Rose, you know, has that. crazy singing style. Yeah. It's like a. like and that has to be [ __ ] hell on. your voice and you know the show was. amazing but his voice is not the same.

>> It's just there's no way it can be. >> Um I know Stephen Tyler like he's back. >> I is he? >> Yeah. >> So he he quit for a while cuz he was. like I can't sing and then he healed up. and now he's back again. I don't know. exactly what he did, but I I played with. him back in January and like the boys. really back. >> No [ __ ] That's [ __ ] great. >> Singing his ass off. >> That's [ __ ] great. I love to hear. that. >> Mhm. >> I saw the Stones a couple years ago at.

uh Circuit of the Americas and Mitch. Jagger can still whail. >> Yeah, >> he can still whail. That That was a. great [ __ ] show. Almost surreal. >> He's got a lot of energy, too, man. >> So much energy. >> It's crazy. He has two trailer trucks. that he brings with them that are just. gym equipment. >> Wow. >> Everywhere they go. Two big ass trailer. trucks just filled with gym equipment. They say he works out seven days a week. >> That's awesome. >> And he's 180,000 years old. >> He's still up there. Still. And then.

Keith Richards opposite approach. Whiskey, cocaine, LSD, no problems. Still there, too. So it's like. >> Yeah. >> Find something you love and stick with. it. >> I know. It's so funny. Like it makes me. think of like we went out with Willie a. few times and um Willy's got like like. most artists he's got like 18 tractor. trailers back there but like I don't. know if you've been to a Willie Nelson. show recently it's like there's nothing. on stage. I'm like what's in all these.

[ __ ] trucks? I never really got to. the bottom of that but there's like. seven or eight truck drivers back there. >> It's all weed. >> It must be all weed or something. You go. in, there's all grow lights and plants. and [ __ ] And. >> he's got that drink that they sell. >> Oh yeah. >> He's got that weed drink. >> Willy's remedy. >> Yeah. And Ron White brought some to the. green room of the comedy mothership. And. someone was saying, "Oh, you can't get. that's not real." I'm like, "It's real. as [ __ ] dude. That stuff's very legit.".

>> It's real. >> Yeah, it's very I don't know what the. rules are, the laws are. >> Seems like it's starting to become like. a gray area. It should be. I mean they just made it schedule three. Okay. So what that means is and I mean. listen it's a great step in the right. direction. I'm very happy that the. president did that. It really should be. regulated the same way alcohol is. It. should be for adult use 21 and older. >> It shouldn't be maybe I wonder what the.

issue Well, I'm sure there's a bunch of. issues, right? There's like lobbies that. are trying to keep it illegal. Like. there's the alcohol lobby that doesn't. want it legal because it cuts down on. alcohol sales. And I know they lobby to. try to make sure those laws stay in. place. And then unfortunately you have. prison guard unions. that lobby for it, which is [ __ ]. right? They want to keep their job. And. so the way they keep their job is to. keep people locked up. And the way the. way they keep people locked up is keep. laws that don't make sense. Like.

[ __ ] up. That's a that's an evil. [ __ ]. that it's it just doesn't make any. sense. If you can buy alcohol, you. should be able Like I'm not saying you. should drink alcohol. You don't drink. alcohol anymore. Like I said, I took. months off. It's like you should have. some self-control. And I know some. people don't. But get your [ __ ]. together. You should. But other people. are fine with alcohol. They go to the. bar, have a drink or two, go home, go. out to dinner, have a drink, go at home, have a drink while they're watching TV,

and they're fine. >> Yeah. >> It should be a personal choice. No adult. should be able to tell you what you can. and can't do and be able to lock you up. in a [ __ ] cage if you don't listen. That's nuts. And in a free country, in. this country is as free as it gets in. this world, there's no way weed should. be illegal. It should be regulated and. it should be only for people that are. adults where, you know, you have to be. 21 to be able to buy it. It's Look, it's. never stopped kids from getting alcohol. They they still get alcohol. It's not.

stopping kids right now from getting. weed. they can still get weed. But if it. was legal and regulated, first of all, we'd get taxes from it, and that would. be huge for every state. You'd get a ton. of tax money that you're not getting. right now. And also, you would keep. people from getting locked up for their. own personal choices, which is just. insane. >> Yeah. >> I mean, not a lot of people get locked. up for personal use these days. That's. pretty rare. But there's still there's. just way too many laws.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's interesting, too, like if you have like. um like CBD flour, like technically. that's legal. Yes. So, like if you just. put some of your cannabis in a CBD. container, like. >> are there ways to like test that on the. side of the road? Like if you get pulled. and they search your car? >> Not on the side of the road, but they. could confiscate it and then test it, I. think. But there's weird things about like. legalization of I was watching a YouTube. video about what Texas's laws were. And.

Texas's laws are the amount of THC by. volume. So the thing about that is. if you get like gummies. >> like a a 10 milligram gummy will pass. that by volume and be legal. So, are you. saying that people can take 10 milligram. THC gummies and that's legal? >> Yeah. >> Because. >> they'll [ __ ] you up. Like a If you don't. smoke weed, a 10 milligram THC gummy.

will have you going, >> dude. >> Take two of those and who knows what's. going to happen to you. I just watched. this movie that uh a friend of mine was. in this movie um Laney Wilson and we. watched the movie and I don't want to. spoil the movie for anybody, but it. turns out that the girl like she went to. jail cuz she was impaired while driving. and she was impaired by weed gummies. And I was like that's kind of okay.

>> Well, depends on how much you took. Yeah, but. >> if you take 200 milligrams to get behind. a wheel, you're not even exactly sure. what the road is. >> 200 milligrams is a lot. Yeah. >> Right. So, that's pretty impaired. That's that's equivalent to like eight. shots of whiskey and then getting in. your truck, >> right? You're impaired. >> I guess you're right. >> I don't think you should drive on weed. I definitely don't think you should. drive [ __ ] up. But it's like the same. >> like I don't advocate drinking and. driving either. But if you have like one. drink and drive.

>> like you're gonna feel like a little. relaxed and lubricated, but I don't know. how much you'll be. And it also varies. on who the person is. If the person is. used to drinking all the time, one drink. is not going to do a damn thing to them. But for some people, one drink will make. you drive stupid. You'll do stupid. things. >> Yeah. It's it's a it's all a personal. responsibility thing. >> That's the bottom line about all of it. And yeah, you shouldn't be out there. drinking and driving. You shouldn't be.

out there eating 500 milligram edibles. and [ __ ] driving in a car. No. No. >> I remember one time my drummer had this. like THC spray. Have you ever [ __ ]. with that? >> Oh yeah. We had that back in California. Like breath spray. >> Yeah. And I was I was still drinking at. the time and me and my wife were both. just hammered and we were on this uh a. ferry like the tour bus goes on to the. ferry and the ferry carries you over. from um France to the UK and we were. like sitting in the lounge area on the.

ferry or lounge area on the ferry rather. and um he had this spray and I was like. it's not doing anything. >> Me and my wife both kept just spraying. it. >> No. And um then I woke up in my bed just. like in a cartoon just like completely. removed from reality just and u yeah it. was it was a bad bad scene. I remember. one time I took a they had these THC. breath strips that they used to sell.

And the problem with these things, and. this is back uh in the pre-legalization. days of pre 2016 in California. And so. each store you would get weed at like. they would have medical stores. So you. could go to a doctor and say, "Hey doc, I got a headache." And they go, "You. need medicine." and they would write. your prescription and then you can go. and like there's always reasons to to. have it just like there's reasons to. have Tylenol. Do you get a headache? Yeah. Well, then you need it. Do you. have a backachche? Yeah. Well, then you.

need it. So, you could get it pretty. easy. And um they had these breath. strips and I took one and I got on a. plane and I closed my eyes when I was. lying on the plane and I was watching. neon like cartoon characters that are. made out of neon light and they were. having sex. It was an orgy of And I was. just lying there with my eyes closed. watching these cartoon neon characters. [ __ ] And they they were [ __ ] in like. complete blackness, like void. So it was. just the colors of their weird bodies.

just banging each other and then they. would shift shapes and another one would. pile on and they would I was like, "This. is crazy." It was very psychedelic. It. was almost like But when I'd opened my. eyes, the world was normal. Yeah. It. wasn't like I was the world was wiggling. and and I was just s I didn't have. anything to do. I was flying all the way. to New York. It was a six-hour flight. By the time it landed, I had sobered up, but I was like, "This is cra like how. much is in these [ __ ] things?" Cuz. it's they're not making them in the same. labs where they're making [ __ ]. Tylenol. Sure.

>> You know, I mean, it's some hippie, some. dude who's like pouring weed into a. machine and can't remember whether or. not he put weed in there cuz he's high. as [ __ ] so he adds double. They're very. inconsistent. It's like the micro doses. that I I used to get in Mon Georgia. I. was like, "Some of these are stronger. than other ones." And he's like, "Yeah.". So depending on the day, my boy Hubble's. like, >> you know, he's going to ride it for. whatever it is. >> Well, that's why we need legalization. regulation. That's the beautiful thing.

about whiskey. You get a glass of. whiskey, you get a shot, you know. exactly what that shot's going to do. >> The the shots of whiskey have been. having the same impact on human beings. for hundreds of [ __ ] years. You can. quantify it. >> Yeah. And that's how it should be with. all these things. But the problem is. when they're outlawed, you know, some of. them are, you know, a glass of wine, some of them are [ __ ] moonshine. Like. you you need regulation. And it's the. idea that there's laws against people's. personal choices. Just [ __ ] stupid,

man. There's plenty of laws that are. good. Don't murder people. Don't rob. Don't rape. Don't do this. Don't do. that. That's great. Don't vandalize. Great. Great laws. Makes sense. Better. society. Laws on personal choices, especially things that you might enjoy, like. >> having a joint with your wife, you know, after dinner and just sitting there and. watching Netflix together. Like. >> the [ __ ] armed thugs can burst into. your house and take the joint away from. you. Like, who are we protecting? Who we. serving? Who we protecting and serving.

with that? That's dumb. >> Yeah. >> It's just bad for society. >> And it creates this business. Once a. business is established, the business of. enforcement, once that business is. established, that business doesn't want. to go away because now you have a bunch. of people whose jobs depend on enforcing. laws and enforcing these things that. don't make any sense. And they want to. protect that because that's their. livelihood. So now you got a quagmire. Now you're in a [ __ ] terrible. situation that is no easy way out other. than ripping the band-aid off and making.

it legal. You're also propping up the. cartels. That's the other problem with. it being completely illegal in this. country. federally is like, well, guess. what? It's there's still a demand for. it. So, legal companies that actually. employ people and give the the employees. health care and, you know, have rules. and regulations. No, they're not making. it. So, they're not growing it. So, instead, you have [ __ ] cartels that. are growing it in California on public. land because if you get caught, it's.

just a misdemeanor cuz it's legal in. California. So literally, I think it's. more than 80% of all the le the weed. that's sold in the United States that's. illegal is grown in California on public. lands by the cartel. And they use toxic. pesticides and herbicides. They they use. all kinds of [ __ ] that you're not. allowed to use in in normal farming, >> right? >> And you know, the only reason why it. exists is because we've made these. stupid [ __ ] laws.

So now that it's schedule three, it's in. the same category as like Tylenol with. codine, >> which is not bad. It's better certainly. better than schedule one, which is. ridiculous. So now hopefully once they. do more testing and more studies, they. can get to a point where federally it's. legal and regulated. That would be the. best case for everybody. just in the. same category as alcohol. Get all that. tax money from it and then don't make.

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>> When did it um when did it get scheduled. as uh schedule one? >> Well, the whole schedule one thing, this. is this is what I talked about when I. went to the White House recently, which. is a hilarious thing to say for a [ __ ]. like me. that I helped get things scheduled. I. mean, when it all goes down in the. history books and they they attach my. name to this, it's going to be really. confusing. They're going to be like, "Fucking that guy. What? How? What the.

[ __ ] happened?" So, when in 1970, the. Richard Nixon administration passed the. Controlled Substances Act, and it made. uh DMT, psilocybin, LSD, all these. different things. It made them schedule. one. So that they the idea is that there. was no benefit including Ibagame which. is crazy. Uh which has means it has no. medical benefit and uh harmful and.

addictive all these different qualities. that they attach to it. But the only. reason they did that was to target the. civil rights movement. The civil rights. movement and the anti-war movement. That's what they were doing. They didn't. like the fact that these people were. causing trouble and then they were. organizing, you know, marches and doing. all these different things that were. disrupting the government. And there was. also this movement where people like, why are we living the way we're living? Like this was the ' 60s. Like, why are. we doing what we're doing? Like, well, I. don't want to be like my parents. They're not happy, you know? I want to. live a life that's like freer. I want to.

be filled with love and joy and I want. to, you know, have a good time and. follow the grateful debt around. Like so. a lot of people in government were very. concerned with this new movement and if. you go and like music is a great. example. Like if you look at the music. of the 1950s and then you look at the. music of the 1960s like what the [ __ ]. happened? Y. >> like if you look at the music of 2016. and the music of 2026 not much. difference. >> Right. >> Right. It's all great. So, but it's like.

it's not there's not some revolutionary. crazy new change, >> but you saw that from 1959 to 1969. There is a radical difference. A radical. difference. 1950 you got like you go. from Buddy Holly to Jimmyi Hendris. You're like, "Okay, what the [ __ ]. happened? Something crazy must have. happened." And it's drugs. It's. psychedelic drugs. >> It's like the stone ape theory. >> in, you know, our modern society. >> Exactly. To see it. Exactly. And this.

terrified the administration and they. were really worried that they were going. to completely lose control of the. country. And so they passed this. controlled substances act. And that. happened in 1970. And from that time on. we've been [ __ ] You know, for 56. [ __ ] years we've been under the grip. of this stupid [ __ ] law that was. passed by the Nixon administration. It. didn't make any sense. Some of the drugs.

that they added to aren't even. psychoactive. They just threw a bunch of stuff in. there and they missed a bunch of potent. ones. >> Yeah, >> they missed five methoxy DMT. They. missed 5 MO DMT, which is one of the. most potent psychedelics, if not the. most potent psychedelic. You used to be. able to buy that online. >> Oh wow, >> dude. There was a company that you could. order from and they would send you a a. [ __ ] jug of it as big as this. Now, the amount that gets you blasted into. the center of the universe and. introduces you to God is like the si.

It's like the size that goes on your. pinky. Yeah. Like your pinky nail. Like. that amount. You smoke that, you'll see. God. >> Wow. >> And you could just buy a [ __ ] jar of. it online. There was a company called. the American Chemical Company. American. Chemical Company or American Chemical. Corporation. And you used to be able to. just buy five mythoxy DMT and they would. just send it to you like a jar of. vitamins. >> Wow. >> And then you could go to head shops and. buy salvia.

>> Oh yeah. >> So salvia is a [ __ ] insanely po. potent psychedelic, which by the way is. also sage. Like sage is the same family, the same genus as salvia. >> So like think about it. Sage, meaning. wise, like like an old sage. Yeah. And. meanwhile, that is one of the most. potent psychedelics in the world. And. so, kids were going to head shops and. buying salvia. I don't know if they've. made that illegal now. They probably.

have, right? Is salvia illegal now? >> I think uh. I don't know. >> So, Ari Shafir on Brian Redband's. podcast. Do you know this story? >> No. >> Okay. Ari Shafir went on Brian Redband's. podcast and took a giant hit of Salvia. and went under for like 10 minutes. And. when he came back, he said that he had. lived six months under the water with B. like with a.

entire different community of human. beings under the water. Had. relationships, had a job, like had a. six-month experience and then came back. in that 10 minutes. And he was so. confused. He was so baffled. He's like, "I had a life under there. I had a. girlfriend. I had friends." He goes, "I. had all these experiences.". >> No [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Ari's crazy, man. >> He's crazy. He's fun. >> He came out to my show in New York. >> He's the man. >> He is the man.

>> Um, >> but I mean, that's that's how potent. this [ __ ] Salvia stuff is. By the. way, a lady had a very similar. experience recently who uh went into a. coma. So, she was in a coma for an. extended period of time. I want to say. it was like a few months. And when she. came out, she had a whole life that she. said she had triplets and she had like. she was married, all these different. things. Here, here's a story. Uh she.

asked for her triplets after waking up. from a coma. Doctors say they never. existed. When she woke from a coma, first thing she did was ask for her. three daughters. Medical staff was. stunned. The response shattered her. entire world. Just like that, the. children she had nursed, watched grow, and deeply cared for over seven years. were gone. So, she was placed in a. medicallyinduced coma for 3 weeks. And. what followed was a dream of a lifetime. quite literally. She was obviously not. aware that she was in a coma. Instead, she slipped into a dream and a lifetime.

unfolded before her eyes. Talking to the. outlet, the teen recalled having. extremely intense dreams and nightmares. She was not aware that she was in a coma. at the time. So those dreams became her. reality. So she became a mother. She said it felt. so real. She felt the physical and. emotional pain throughout the. hallucination. I could feel so many. things when I dreamed about giving. birth. I felt the stress. I also felt a. lot of pain in this dream. I gave birth. to triplets who I named Mila Miles and. Miley. Miley died shortly after birth. I.

felt so awful, overwhelmed with sadness. and guilt. She recalled. She remembers. the first skin-to-skin contact that she. had with her babies. It was incredible. I felt an overwhelming wave of love, she. added. In her dream, she lived for seven. years and watched her daughters grow up. Each had their own personalities. One. was quite shy. The other was a bundle of. energy. I remember walks, meals we. shared, and bedtime stories. She loved. them with all her heart. And then she.

woke up from the coma and was told that. her children never existed. That's when. they told me they didn't exist. I was in. shock. I was so convinced that it was. real that the time I saw my parents. again, I told them they were. grandparents. >> Wow. >> Whoa. >> Man, >> it makes you like wonder like what is. reality? What is this thing that we're. currently experiencing? >> Yeah. >> And we're currently experiencing this. thing, but what what is this? >> Is this everything? Is this the whole.

thing? Or is this like one channel on an. infinite radio and just while we're on. that channel, we think this is the. radio, >> right? >> Well, maybe there's maybe when you go to. sleep, maybe that's just as real as. being awake. >> It's a heavy thought. >> But the idea that you just shut off. every night as bananas. >> Yeah, >> we look forward to it. Oh, can't wait to. just go away. >> Go away for a few hours. >> Can't wait to not exist. And if you.

don't like if I don't get enough sleep, I'm like whatever whatever happens. during the the dream time, the sleep. time, the recovery, I feel it. I I've my. waking life like I haven't done what I'm. supposed to do by sleeping for an. extended period of time. So my this. reality is compromised. This reality I'm. dumber, my memory sucks. I'm more tired. I don't have any energy. I can't wait to. go to sleep. Can't wait to shut off so I. could pay back the void.

>> Pay back the void. The time I owe. >> into the dreamland of bizarre dreams. >> Yeah. And just the symbolism of dreams, too. I've been having a lot of crazy. dreams lately. >> Like what? >> I dream about snakes a lot, which is a. good. >> snakes. >> It's a good sign. >> Is it? >> Yeah. Dreaming about snakes evidently. just represents like shedding your skin, going into something new, you know, growing. >> Or you're surrounded by people who want. to get you. >> Or maybe that.

>> Yeah. >> Whichakes both both can be true. You know, the music business. Yeah. >> A lot of snakes. >> Isn't it every business though? >> Yeah. I mean just the idea like the. business side is just so in contrast to. like the artistic sensibility, >> you know, an artist is supposed to be. >> not supposed to be but just like. psychological or makeup is more just.

like open and just more just like giving. and wanting to share your craft with. somebody and more emotional, you know? >> Yeah. Um, and then having to be like a. shark and having to think like these. snakes. >> contracts. >> Yeah. >> Sign the D line, Marcus. >> You're going to make so much money, Marcus. >> It's only 7 years.

>> It's just seven years. >> with an extension. With options. >> With options. How's it about? >> You'll be free. Don't worry about these song rights. >> Yeah, >> you'll have other songs in the future, >> right? >> That will be even better. >> Bet on yourself, Marcus. >> Take the money. Don't you want a big. house? >> Don't you want a fancy car? You need a Rolex. >> Have you ever seen Late Night with the. Devil? >> Uh, yes.

>> That was [ __ ] good. >> Yeah, that's the talk show. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that is great, man. Who made that? Uh, that's a good question. We. >> That's a really good movie, man. >> We watched it on the bus one night. I. was like, whoa. >> That was like 2019 or something. >> It was heavy. >> Yeah, this was Oh, 2024. Oh, it's an. Australian movie. Uh, Jack Delroy, the. host of a failing It's in 1977. Jack. Delroy, the host of a failing late night. show, decides decides to film a. Halloween special. However, the.

broadcast takes a dark turn, unleashing. evil into the nation's living rooms. Yeah, it's a dope movie. It was really. fun. >> It was good. >> It's [ __ ] scary as [ __ ] too. >> It was scary. >> Yeah, it was good. Bro, you know what's. [ __ ] scary as [ __ ] and really good. that I just found out about from my. daughter. There's a a new show called. Well, it's not even new. It's like four. seasons. It's called From. >> From Yeah. >> What's it on? Is it on like uh. >> It's on Apple TV. I don't know if it's. an Apple show, but it's on Apple TV.

It's with the dude from Lost, >> one of the dads from Lost. >> Harold Perinu. also from. >> He's been in a lot of things. He's. great. And the show is [ __ ]. terrifying. It It is It's very original. and very weird. Um, so it came out in 2022. Interesting. >> First season premiered on Epics. >> Oh, okay. What's it on now? Is it just.

on Apple TV? release epics MGM Plus. Yeah. >> So, it says in 2018 YouTube Red, remember we were talking about YouTube. Red, >> Canada I on Paramount Plus, India's on. Amazon Prime. >> Oh, it was on all over the place. >> Huh? >> Where MGM Plus is? >> So, it appeared on Epics. I don't even. know what MGM Plus is. Maybe that's just. the company. That's the production.

company. So, in 2026, they renewed the. series for a fifth and final season. It's [ __ ] good, man. It's good. And. it's really scary. It's really scary and. [ __ ] creepy and horrific. It's about. these people that um are stuck in this. town that doesn't make any sense. Like, the town doesn't make any sense. And you. can't get out of the town. And at. nighttime, people come out of the woods.

They're not people. And they're like. these monsters. And if you let them into. your house, you can't let them into your. house, but if you let them into your. house, they they butcher you and tear. you apart. And people they try to trick. you into letting you letting them into. your house. Like, I'm not doing it. justice. It's like, it sounds stupid, but. >> here here's the pitch, >> but it's it's really scary, man. It's. really scary and really creepy to the. point like I'm watching I get anxiety. and I don't like watching [ __ ] like that.

before I go to bed. Yeah. Because then I. get like weird dreams and I start. getting because it's like children are. in trouble in it and I'm a father and. when I see children in trouble I get I. [ __ ] freak out, >> you know? There's part of you like the. sheep dog in you just like. >> Right. >> So it's it's a good show though. >> My wife gets on to me. I like it's like. forensic files puts me out. I love it. You like that before you go to bed? >> I don't know why. >> That's crazy. >> That's my comfort. >> How people murdered people. >> Yeah.

>> I remember that uh show on HBO, the. autopsy show. That was like one of the. first ones. >> Okay. >> Do you know that show? >> The autopsy one. >> It was this guy Dr. Michael Baden. And. what he was was a forensic scientist. that would catch people that had. murdered people and got away with it. They would exume bodies and find things. And it was all these different cases of. where someone had gotten away with. murder, but then they discovered how. they did it. It was very, very. interesting. >> Wow. >> Cuz people are [ __ ] weird, man. Like,

you know, a lot of like wives poisoning. their husbands, like multiple husbands. died of similar ways and. >> Yep. >> nurses that poison their the people. under their care. >> There's some [ __ ] up people out there. There's some [ __ ] up people out there, man. And the crazy thing is they get. away with it. That's the crazy thing is. for every one that Michael Baden. catches, how many of them get away with. it? >> Yep. >> Like what percentages of murders in.

America go unsolved? Let's put this into. perplexity. >> Are AI sponsor and find out what the. What do you think it is? What percentage. of murders go unsolved in America? Uh, that's a good question. I mean, >> take a guess. >> 50 60%. >> Whoa. >> But I I don't I don't know how you would. quantified. I guess you'd find out. >> Well, someone gets murdered and they. don't catch anybody. >> Oh, right. Right. Okay.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's half. >> Wow. So, you're saying there's a chance? >> So, you're saying there's a chance? >> Approximately 40 to 50% of murders in. the United States go unsolved. means. that roughly half of all homicide cases. do not result in arrest or resolution. So, uh I was talking to somebody and um. someone who lives in their community got. arrested because the wife went missing. and uh they got the wife's DNA from this.

guy's chainsaw. They have no body. They. have no evidence other than there's some. DNA on his chainsaw and you know he's. playing stupid so he's in jail now but. everybody that knows him and like like. these these friends of mine they know. the family. They knew him. They knew. her. Oh. >> [ __ ]. >> And he's just in jail and they don't. know if they have enough evidence to.

convict him. And so he's been in jail. for a while now and they're trying to. gather enough evidence for trial, but. all they have is like DNA. I don't even. know what that means. Like how much DNA? Like did he clean the chainsaw and not. do a good job? I don't know what that. means. >> But was she like out like trimming. hedges? >> Who knows? That's the thing. It's like. you could use a chainsaw and. accidentally scratch yourself. Like you. don't even have to cut yourself. It. doesn't even have to be on. Like if. you're move, if you're, you know, taking.

a chain, I don't know why the wife would. be taking a chainsaw out into the I. mean, some women are capable and they do. it, but. >> my wife, you know, she accidentally. scraped your arm with this chainsaw and. they went over every blade with a swab. They probably could find your DNA and. go, "Oh my god, you did it.". >> Y. >> I don't know. I don't know what. happened, but apparently these people. that I know believe that the husband. chop this lady up. >> Oh, really?

>> Yeah. They think he did it. They're. fighting a lot. And. >> I remember when I was a kid, my sister. used to and like Shane's actually got a. really funny bit about how diabolical. older sisters are. And just my sister. used to say, "I hope you go to jail for. something you didn't do.". >> Whoa. >> I hope you get wrongfully convicted for. something and you're in jail forever. >> That's so a terrible thing to say to. somebody. What did you do to her to make. her say that to you? >> Who [ __ ] knows?

>> That's so dark. >> I hope you go to jail for something you. didn't do was so evil. >> Wow. >> We're very close now. >> Are you? >> Oh, yeah. >> Well, she was a kid. >> She We were kids. >> How old was she when she did that? When. she said that. >> She's two years older than me, so she. must have been like nine or 10. >> Oh, >> but. >> people say things. >> kids stuff. >> at nine or 10. They're just being kids. >> Yep. That's a diabolical mind though. Like that's how you want someone to. suffer. You want someone to emotionally. suffer for something they didn't do. forever.

>> Her her and a neighbor boy, there was a. vacant house across from mine and they. like locked me in the back fence and my. sister was like, "This is where you live. now.". >> Like they were like, "Unless you break. that window.". >> And I was like, "I don't want to break. the window." And like sure enough, like. they said, "Well, we're not letting you. out of this gate." And like I probably. could have waited it out, but I was like. five or six. So, I just said, "All. right." So, I took a brick to the window. and they're like, "Well, we're going to. go tell on you now." I was like, >> "Wow,

>> really [ __ ] up. >> What the [ __ ] does she do now?". >> Uh, my sister's actually she's a badass, man. She's uh she drives for the. Department of Transportation. Um, she's. got her CDL. She's a horse. >> Sounds uh like she has some devious. thoughts in her mind. >> She's Yeah. >> Sounds like she should write books. >> I know. She's so smart. That sounds very. creative. Yeah. You know, like she's. manipulating a 5-year-old into breaking. window so she could tell on them. >> But as a seven-year-old, you. >> know, she's she's awesome. But u.

actually I had a good friend I told that. story to and she loved it so much she. got me a a welcome map from my house. that said, "This is where you live now.". >> That's [ __ ] up, man. Where did she. learn that kind of behavior? Probably my. mom. >> Oh, was your mom like that? >> My mom was pretty wild. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I had an interesting upbringing.

>> Most artists do, especially most interesting artists. I. don't know a lot of interesting artists. that say like my childhood was perfect. It was amazing. There was so much love. and everybody was really supportive and. understanding and. >> yeah, >> we talked a lot about stuff and. >> yep spoke about our feelings mostly. around the dinner table. >> There's there's always some sort of. element of psychological torture. involved. >> or some kind of abandonment or some kind. of. >> something.

>> touchy uncle whatever it is. >> Yep. Something ignoring you. >> Yeah. Just not making you a priority, making you not feel special or making. you feel like you're a burden. something. something that causes you to like want. exorbitant amounts of attention from. strangers. >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But look, that's where the great stuff. comes from, which is really wild. Like. there's this concept that you cannot. have good without evil. >> And I think there's something to that. I.

think it's just part of the human. condition. For whatever reason, you you. don't appreciate good unless you you. experience bad, which is why rich kids. are [ __ ] You grow up rich with. everything you've ever wanted. There's. no struggle. It's so difficult for those. people to ever be exceptional. >> because they don't have the motivation. They don't have that. They haven't. experienced the bad. Not in that way. >> Like I remember I went on a hunting trip.

with uh my friend uh Steve Reanella and. Brian Ken. We went to Alaska and it. rained every day. It rained for like six. days in a row. We were soaking wet and. we came back to LA and uh it was sunny. and I was driving my car and I had to. call my friend Steve and I said, "Dude, I have never been happier. The sun hits. my face. I'm so appreciative. I'm so h". And I've never felt like this. Like it's. always like this in LA. Yeah. >> But it never meant anything to me. It. was just, "Yep, another day in LA. Got.

to go to work." But this one day I was. like just filled with gratitude and I. was so happy. The sun on my face felt so. good and warm and and I realized like, oh, you have to suffer in order to. really appreciate the good. Like if it's. just all good, you're you're not going. to appreciate it. You don't you need. evil people so that you really. appreciate the people that are beautiful. and that you love, >> right? You need people that suck so you.

appreciate people that are kind. >> Yeah. >> You know, you need people that are mean, so you appreciate the ones that are. nice. >> Yeah. Just people that are on the level, just people that are. >> like no agenda, just just kind people. And it is that duality that kind of. gives you perspective. >> That's what I meditate on every day is. perspective. >> That's why I wonder about the music. business and then even the comedy. business. I think kind of any business. I'm sure it's the same with the music uh.

mo rather uh movie making business as. well. It's like you almost need these. rotten vampire [ __ ] that are you know. what I mean? It's like so. >> not a punk band. >> but so that like when you see fellow. musicians that you love like you give. them a hug like you embrace each other. like oh we're cool like you know what I. mean? It's like we're together now it's. all right. We're okay. It's. >> trauma bonding. >> Yeah. We're away from the [ __ ] Yeah, >> we're away from the vampire [ __ ]. >> It's like my boy Charlie Crockett, you.

know, um Charlie always says like you. can do what they do, but they can't do. what you do. >> Charlie's great. >> He's the [ __ ] man. >> He's an interesting dude, too. Very. interesting dude. Very, you interesting. life. Like the life that that guy had. and. >> playing street music for so long, then. finally getting discovered. >> Very like again, but that's how you get. a person like that. when you talked. about his childhood, how [ __ ] up it. was and crazy. He was basically just on. his own from the time he was a teenager,

>> just. running around just singing songs. >> Yep. >> You know, like that's how you get a. person like that. >> Yeah. You can't create a Charlie. Crockett in a lab. >> No. Or a jelly roll. You don't you don't. create those in a lab. They got to go to. jail first. You know what I mean? Yeah, but it's like I mean Jell's like. one of the most beautiful people I've. ever met in my life. He's the one of the. nicest, sweetest, kindest, warm,

affectionate people. Every he hugs. everybody, tells everybody he loves him. and he means it and cuz he's been. through hell, you know, and that's. that's how you make a person like that. >> Jill's in like a constant state of like. like when you run into somebody after. they've had an Iwasa experience. >> Mhm. It's like. >> he has this constant. >> like gratitude. >> Yes. >> That I feel like kind of fades even with. people who have like Iaska journeys or.

experiences. >> Yeah. >> You know, he's just I don't know there's. something really pure to that. >> Yeah. He's maintained it and especially. now that he's on this like health. journey. I think that sometimes the. momentum of life takes over and you kind. of forget. those beautiful moments. you you're. grounded in these moments where you. realize like, God, I'm so lucky to have. a beautiful family that I love and. friends that I love and be able to do. what I do for a living. God, I'm so. lucky. And that feeling like sometimes.

it goes away cuz you're dealing with. this and that and contracts and [ __ ]. then New York Times wrote a hit piece on. you. Oh [ __ ] And you forget. You just. you you lose your perspective. But I. almost feel like you need all those. other shitty elements to just reinforce. the good elements that there's this. constant sort of mechanism that's going. on where there's this constant process. of pros and cons of negatives and.

positives and they're duking it out to. see who rises. And the the more the. negative comes at you, the more it has. this creative desire inside of you to. excel with your music or your art or. whatever it is that you do to just push. past it. >> Mhm. >> I mean, think about some of the great. songs that people have written just. about the struggles that they've gone. through just even in the music business, you know? >> Yeah. like Leonard Skinner working for. MCA, you know, there's a lot of those.

songs like that where it's just like. people just want to tell you what the. [ __ ] they've been through. >> Yeah. Uh Leashik uh Freak Out, you know. >> What's that about? >> They weren't uh like they weren't. allowed to get into Studio 54. They. wouldn't let him in. And the song was. originally written as [ __ ] you. You. know, [ __ ] you. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. They went. >> instead it's freak out. >> Yeah. And that ended up being a major.

hit, you know, >> that was because they couldn't get into. a club. >> Yeah. >> That's pretty crazy. >> Pretty crazy. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> But it is just about threading that. needle of like wanting more for. yourself, but for the right reasons. And. that's something that I think about. every day is just like having a a. virtuous reason to want more, you know, not just for the sake of having it or. for hoarding wealth or anything like. that. It's like I want to work to where.

I can get to a place where, >> you know, my wife and I can have our own. bus and raise kids on the road, you. know, but you can't do that unless you. have a certain profit margin on the. road, you know. So, I'm always kind of. trying to think of like virtuous causes. to want more, you know, because in. reality, you know, I should be grateful. for everything that I do have, >> but also speaking to that, you know, and. trying to meditate on the things that. I'm grateful for every day. >> That's a good perspective. I think. people get trapped in working towards a.

result. >> instead of thinking about the process, >> right? >> I try to be processoriented. I try to. like think about whatever I'm doing, just try to be better at it and do a. better job at it. And I think the other. stuff sort of takes care of itself. >> Yeah. >> If you have the right people and that's. where the evil [ __ ] vampires come in. >> because they'll steal all that goodwill. Like if you leave the door open like on. that TV show.

>> on from you let them in. >> Yep. >> They'll [ __ ] tear you apart. >> They'll tear you up. >> Yeah. just and it's hard because you don't. want to become jaded. Yeah. You don't. want to become like. I feel like I meet a lot of people out. there who. >> like like they're open and they're kind. but they they're not interested in. making any new friends, you know? It's. like they have their circle. >> And on one hand, I kind of understand. that. I get that, you know, but. >> it it's it's hard, you know. You got to.

maintain a certain level of perspective. not to become like angry and. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's hard. And it's hard to know. who you can let into your circle, too. Like you got to give people a stress. test. >> You know what I mean? >> Yep. >> It's almost like you have to give them a. baggie and then have a fake cop. >> gra and say, "Where'd you get Marcus. King gave it to me?" Oh, gotcha, [ __ ].

there. I ran into this guy recently and. um. uh basically what happened was like I. was on Jam Cruise years ago and I was. super [ __ ] up and I was supposed to. sit in with this band called Naughty. Professor from New Orleans and they're. like. >> that's a great name. >> They're so good and they're just. outrageously talented musicians. And I. had gone out on an adventure that. morning on a catamaran. I didn't know. what the [ __ ] a catamaran was. I didn't. know if it was land air or sea vessel, right? So, we go out there. Turns out.

it's a boat. And uh we go like. snorkeling in the Cayman Islands and. we're just like looking at all the fish. and like my girlfriend at the time and a. bass player friend of mine from a band. called Lettuce. His name's Jesus. So, out there with my girlfriend at the time. and Jesus, >> his name is Jesus. Yeah. >> Not Jesus. >> Well, his name's Eric, but he goes by. Jesus. >> Oh boy. Eric. >> Oh boy. How did Eric get in your circle? I. >> I don't think it's a a messiah complex. or anything. I think it's just a.

nickname that stuck. But they were. tripping on acid and I was drunk on rum. and beer and um just out there waiting. and like when we came out for air, the. boat had or we had drifted. quite a ways from the boat and like we. couldn't get their attention and like. the waves started crashing and like a. storm started rolling in. Oh, [ __ ]. >> Big waves. And like, >> you know, I'm not the strongest swimmer, you know, but we were we were basically, you know, we were treading water out. there for like 40 minutes. And like,

>> holy [ __ ] dude. >> You know, we were we were going to drown. and finally the dude jumped off the boat. and came out there and then he was like. yelling at me cuz I didn't have flippers. on. So, I was just out there with just. my shorts on and some goggles and uh he. signaled for the boat to come around and. they pulled us up out of the water. So. after that, we were celebrating our. life, you know. So I got completely. hammered and then I was on the boat and. I was like, "Well, I need a pickme up,

you know, cuz I got to sit in with these. guys and they're like college educated. like jazz musicians.". So uh this guy comes over, he's like, "Hey man, you need a yatuski?" And I was. like, "Yeah, hook me up." And he pulled. out a spoon and he digs it down in the. bag and I go to take it and it was like. a small little mountain. I was like, "Give me a little more." And he gave me. some more. And big snort. My whole face. went numb. And I was like, and it stung. I was like, "Whoa, what the [ __ ] was.

that?" And he was like, "Oh, just a. little blow." And I was like, "No, it. wasn't." And like, he said, "Yeah, it. was." And I grabbed him by the shirt and. I said, "What the [ __ ] did you give me, motherfucker?" And um he looked at his. buddy like, "Well, I had he had had him. you know, like this. And he said, "Hey, what bag did you give me, bro?" And he. was like, "The blue one." He's like, "Oh, no." And he looked at me and I was. like, "What was it?" He's like, "It's. ketamine.". So, I went totally the wrong direction.

But I ran into that guy at the Grand. Opry. He came into my dressing room. He's like, "Hey, remember me? Wrong. bag?" I was like, "Yeah, I remember. you.". "Yeah, I don't like you. Yeah, you kind of put me in a weird. spot. >> What was that like taking ketamine after. you almost died? >> Man, it was heavy, you know. Um, I basically like from what I recall, like I became part of the boat.

>> That's how I remember it. like my feet. were like in the deck, you know, and. like I was moving the whole boat with. every step that I took. That's what I. remember. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. But there was this one guy that kept. trying to get me to come play a festival. in like New Mexico and um I kind of put. him off the whole week and then he ran. into me and like I just remember his. eyes getting big like saucers. I don't.

know what I said to him, but it was some. crazy [ __ ]. or it wasn't English at all. Probably. >> ketamine talk. >> Ketamine's a weird one, man. >> Because there's a lot of people that are. doing that right now for therapy. >> Yeah. >> Like Neil Brennan, a comedian, the co-uh. creator of the Chappelle Show. He was. the first person to tell me about it. because Neil's had depression problems. most of his life. And um we were in LA. and he said, we're in the hallway of the.

comedy store. He goes, "I've been doing. ketamine therapy for depression." And I. go, "How's that working out? Is it. good?" He goes, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I. didn't know what to expect." He goes, "I. thought, oh, you know, it's in a. doctor's office. It's probably going to. be just I'm probably just going to close. my eyes and I'll feel." He goes, "No.". He goes, "It's [ __ ] a fullblown. trip." He goes, "Tripping balls in a. doctor's office is [ __ ] strange.". >> I bet. He said it worked though for a.

little while. Like he's done a bunch of. different things. He did a ton of Iwasa. >> He's done a bunch of ketamine. He he did. like magnets on his brain. I think he's. did like a bunch of different things to. try to like rewire the way his brain. works. >> Yeah. >> Like whatever it is. >> That's a that's a journey I'm on. You. know, I'm on anti-depressants and I I. want to get off them. >> Which ones are you on? >> I'm on Symbalta. >> What does that one do? >> Well, >> is it an SSRI? Yeah.

>> So, it basically just kind of a it's for. a chemical imbalance, you know, but like. the best work that I did to combat my. depression and anxiety and stuff was. micro doing, you know, mushrooms. >> Yeah. >> Like that's that's the most progress. that I'd seen in my life. And. um I'm going to figure out some kind of. strategy because. you know like being on anti-depressants. and them telling you like whoa don't.

just stop taking them all at once or you. know you could have seizures and [ __ ]. I'm like I don't like that. I don't want. to be like. you know enslaved by a drug by a. pharmaceutical drug you know. >> Yeah. I'm. >> and it's like also like now you just. take this the rest of your life. It's. like what's the end result here? >> Yeah. Theo Vaughn's going through the. exact same thing and last time I was on. the podcast he was explaining it to me. It freaks me out because I know Theo has.

had conversations before like even. publicly he had a Netflix taping and and. it didn't go well. It was like they. actually never they shelved it. They. never used it. And you know there was. all these stories from people that were. there saying he bombed. I think he just. had a kind of a breakdown. And when he. was talking to the crowd and there's a. video of it, we said, you know, the. people were shaking. Hey, we still love. you. He goes, "Thank you." Look, I'm. just I'm trying not to take my own life. That's what I'm trying to do right now. >> Yeah. >> And like you hear stuff like that and. you just go like, "Oh, Jesus Christ.".

I've known too many people that I didn't. think were going to kill themselves and. then did and then he goes down these. spirals where he starts talking about. world events and freaking out. I'm like, "Oh, Jesus Christ." Like, I got to help. this dude. And so I send him things. about people getting off of them. And. apparently there's some doctors that. specialize in getting people off of. them. But here's the thing about that. chemical imbalance thing. That's not. real. They they used to think that that.

was what these things do, that they. treated a chemical imbalance. But then. recently studies have shown that there. that is not what they do. They don't. exactly know what they do. and they kind. of numb you in some sort of a way that. helps some people. And I've had some. friends and I don't, you know, I don't. want to make any blanket statements. because I had some friends that were. suicidal. Um, Ari is one of them and he. got on SSRI and it helped him. He got on.

he tried a bunch of different ones, found one that worked, got on track, and. then his career started taking off. And. then as his career started taking off, he started feeling much better. He was. on a good positive path in his life and. then he slowly weaned himself off of. those and now he's off of them. So I. think that might have saved his life. I also know other people that have been. on their on those things and taken their. own lives. So I don't know cuz that's. part of one of the side effects is.

suicidal ideiation. It's one of the side. effects. >> But see if you could find anything about. the chemical imbalance not being true. the chemical imbalance reason for taking. SSRIs. It's they they've measured like. levels of dopamine and serotonin and. people that take it's not that's not. what it's doing and they don't even. exactly know why it works and it's a. huge business. That's part of the.

problem. And it's also part of the. problem these doctors are incentivized. to prescribe people these things. I had. a friend that went to a psychiatrist. and um was talking about their life and. things not doing well and immediately. the doctor tried to prescribe him SSRIs. >> right away. Like right away. Here's. something that you're never going to get. off. >> I'm going to give it to you right away. First meeting. And he was like, "Well, I. don't mean shouldn't I like try. exercise? Shouldn't I try diet? Shouldn't I try just drinking water?".

And you know like I I read something. about like magnesium and red light. therapy being far more effective than. even SSRIs. There is no good evidence. for the simple chemical imbalance like. low serotonin that directly causes. depression or automatically means. someone should take an SSRI. But SSRIs. do change brain chemistry in ways that. can help some people. Um but so for. decades depression was popularly. explained as a serotonin imbalance in.

the brain. Large reviews of the research. have not found convincing evidence that. people with depression have consistently. low serotonin or a specific measurable. imbalance that explains their symptoms. Experts now describe the chemical. imbalance story as an oversimplified or. outdated way of explaining a much more. complex condition. And here's the other. thing about depression. It has to be. connected to the state of your life.

Like if you have a terrible job, you're. in a bad relationship, you have abusive. parents, you know, and you live in a. shitty neighborhood, who why why would you be happy? >> Mhm. >> Oh, I'm depressed. Oh, you need a pill. No. Do you? Is that what you need? Right. >> Well, it's quite possible that you're. eating processed foods and you have all. these other things that we talked about. shitty life, shitty house, shitty job, shitty neighborhood, shitty parents. >> Maybe you just need to make your life. positive,

>> like figure out a way to get your life. in a positive direction. They've shown. that exercise is way more effective than. anti-depressants at at actually helping. people with depression. True. >> Just exercise. Just. >> [ __ ] go on a nice long walk every. day. Do some cardio, you know, take a. [ __ ] yoga class. That's way better. for people than these goddamn pills. But. these doctors are financially. incentivized to prescribe these things. and they prescribe them and hand them. out like candy. And again, I think for.

some people it helps them. >> And and and that's the issue, right? I. mean, if it wasn't a financial. incentive, I think it would be like take. these for six months, you'll be better, you know? Yeah. >> It wouldn't be like. >> forever. This is you now. >> Even six months, it's like okay, how. long does it take to get off them? Right? >> Cuz I know a guy who was on him and it. took him a year and a half after he got. off of them before he felt normal again. For a year and a half, he was [ __ ] up.

cuz he was on him for I think he said he. was on him for 10 years and then for a. year and a half he got off of them. And. it just took that long before he finally. like balanced the ship out like whatever. waves he had to go through for a year. and a half. But he was like, "Whatever. I'm doing, I am not going back on those. goddamn pills." So he wrote it out. >> and came out on the other end. >> It's [ __ ] up, too, because it's it's. hard to compare your experience to other. people because everybody's brain. chemistry is different.

>> Yeah. >> So you you could have two people on the. same medication like you were, you know, saying earlier, like, >> um, it's hard to even quantify. Like I. even talked to my own sister or like. other family members about you know. their depression and their you know. mental health uh journeys and um it's. just it's interesting to think like. you could say like it's it's hard to. disprove it. You know what I mean? Because somebody could be doing well on.

it. But it's also like it takes two. weeks for it to really get into your. system. And I've I I had to try like. three or four different ones before one. really I felt felt like me, you know, like even at my grandmother's funeral, like I just felt nothing. I just felt. numb. >> And like I didn't notice it until I got. into a situation where I was like, "This. woman raised me and I can't feel. anything.". >> Wow. >> And it wasn't until like a heavy moment. like that that I was able to kind of. have that perspective of like I should.

be feeling something right now. So, I. put those down and then uh it was like. two weeks later was having dinner with. somebody and like this song came on that. just brought all of it up. There was. this melody, this Wayne Shorter melody. that just unccorked everything and I was. just sobbing at the dinner table, you. know. >> Wow. Um, what did you feel like before you. took them and what was wrong with the.

ones that you didn't stick with? >> Um, well, I don't know if it was a a. matter of like maybe the dosage was too. high and it was just kind of creating a. block because like you got to feel some. emotions, right? >> So, how did you feel before you were. taking them? Like what was what was. bothering you that you realized you. needed to take something? Well, I think. a lot of it had to do with just like. substance abuse, but I was feeling. really anxious and really suicidal and.

um just really really depressed, you. know, and um just this overwhelming. sense of dread every day and just also. just a lot of helplessness like just. trying to going to different doctors and. just like trying to figure out like what. the [ __ ] is it that's going to finally, you know, take this away, but also realizing like. I rely on that a little bit, you know, for what I do for a living, you know,

>> so there's kind of that, you know, >> rely on the feelings of depression. Yeah. >> All that, you know, for writing and for. creating um. >> God, that's a [ __ ] conundrum, ain't. it? >> Yeah. Being fearful that it's going to. take your drive away. >> because you don't have anything to. create for. >> no substance, right? So, it's a it is a. strange battle. It's one that I still. kind of deal with, but I'm just in a.

much better spot on the journey. >> So, which ones did you try and what was. wrong with the ones that you try? They. just numbed you up. >> This was like six years ago, so like. 2020. Um, I can't remember the name of the. specific. medication. And I'm sure I have a an old. bottle of it somewhere in my house, but. um. yeah, I don't know. I just. >> But what did it do? It just made you too.

numb. >> It just made me feel numb. >> And then when you found one that worked, what did that do differently? >> So the one that I'm on now, uh I mean. like if I go a day without it, like I. like the the withdrawal symptoms are. like fairly severe. just like headaches. and just like complete like body. tingling sensations and just like it's. really scary stuff. It's just, >> you know, so I'm I'm going to have to. wean off of it slowly over time like. already did.

>> Yeah. >> I wonder if I gain would help with that. >> Well, I mean, you know, it's like I was. saying like micro doing mushrooms was. like the first thing that I actually. felt some kind of lasting result. Like. now like when I get an anxiety attack or. something, I can recognize it as. something just coming from an outside. force, you know, an energy that's not. aligning with me. Mhm. >> And I can recognize it. I can work. through it where like before I would.

just get a little overwhelmed, you know. But I think also just like. not drinking and like having to. socialize with people and having to have. a little exposure therapy to like social. interactions and life in general without. just masking myself with drugs and. alcohol. >> has helped a lot too in that growth. So when you first started taking it, you. there's all the stuff that you're doing. in terms of like abusing alcohol and.

substances and that which definitely. causes you to feel like [ __ ] and. definitely causes a lot of people to. have like all sorts of angst and anxiety. and just [ __ ] with you. This stuff. alleviated that. >> What I'm on now? >> Yeah. Uh, I mean, you know, it has. >> kind of. >> and I'm afraid of like, you know, if I. get off of it, are those emotions going. to come flooding back in, you know?

>> So, did it stop those emotions? >> It. >> This is all, by the way, why you were. drinking, right? You're not drink. And. how long has it been since you've drank? >> Like a year and a half. >> Okay. >> But, I mean, those those emotions do. come back every now and again, >> even while you're on the stuff. >> Yeah. But it significantly. curbed them. >> But it's like, you know, >> at what price? >> I mean, I was talking to my boy Earnest. about it cuz, you know,

um he's kind of a kindered spirit and. like, you know, just talking about like. I'll be working out and like getting. after it, feeling good, listening to the. Stones or whatever. And like I noticed. like. um in my gym at my house like I guess. they used to have a punching bag hanging. up there and just like you see something. like that and you just take a mental. note of like that probably hold my. weight, you know. It's just like these. >> Oh, you mean to hang yourself? >> Yeah. Like these thoughts just kind of.

come, >> you know, and it's I don't know where. they come from. They just they just pop. in and as quick as they come, they go. >> And this is before you taken the. medication? >> No. I mean, this is like a month ago, you know. >> Okay. Did the Did you have those. thoughts before the medication? >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. So, they're still there. >> Yeah. >> So, whatever it's doing, it's doing a. little bit. >> It's. >> I mean, it's got to be helping to a. degree. >> Do you think it is? I think so. But I.

think it's it's really just about like. your will and like your your mental just. your ability just like we were talking. about like with diets and stuff, you. know, like. >> does Osimpic help curb, you know, appetites, but you could also just. exercise and just have willpower. And I. think mental health can be of a similar. thing. >> One of the things that people are. finding out about Ozmpic is it actually. curbs your desire to be in love, too. Yeah, >> that's a nasty thought.

>> Yeah, you you don't enjoy anything. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What I'm hearing about these SSRIs is. like um like genitalia like paralyzed. Yeah. >> I saw that on Twitter. Some lady was. talking about her she got off of it and. her clitoris is numb. She can't have. orgasms anymore. >> That's [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. If that ever happens, it's like, you know, >> the problem is I don't know if it comes.

back. >> So, you can't wait for it to happen and. like which medications cause it to. happen? >> Yeah. >> Um, if you do get off of it, >> have you talked to your doctor like what. is the protocol? >> Um, well, weaning off of it. Yeah. My. doctor always just says like. >> I don't know. He just every time I talk. to my doctor, it's like every few months. we check in and he's like, "Well, how. you feeling?" You know, "How you doing?". Uh I'm like, "Well, I'm okay." You know,

just kind of feels like the same. Um. kind of want to get off of them. And. he's like, "Well, you know, if you want. to do that, like you're going to have to. go slowly overtime, but uh you know, are. things good?" And I'm like, "Well, yeah, things are fine." He's like, "Well, you. don't really want to change things if. they're good, right?" You know, >> that kind of thing. >> And you worry, what. >> I worry about what's going to happen if. I, you know, >> what's that going to be like getting off.

of him. >> cuz the thing about it is like I was. talking about this guy that was on him. for 10 years. like that year and a half. was [ __ ] rough where he was. experiencing all sorts of problems. because his body was just kind of in. shock. >> that he had be on he had been on SSRIs. for a decade. >> and then all a sudden he's off of him is. like like the way Theo described it is. like the floor was missing. >> like the floor fell out from under him. >> getting off him.

>> He got off him for a while and then got. back on him. He got off him about a year. ago for a little while and then got back. on him. but he wants to get off him. He. just doesn't know what to do. And. >> I mean, hell, it's like it's it's like a. it's literally a plot device, you know, like the show The Ozarks, you know, >> like The Crazy Brother, like he's. pouring his medication down the drain. Y. >> and he goes [ __ ] nuts, you know? It's. like. >> somebody being off their medication is. kind of a pjorative term, right?

>> Yeah. >> But I'm like, >> I kind of want to get off mine. Well, it. depends on what medication, right? Some. people are schizophrenic. >> Yeah. If it's anti-csychosis, I guess. >> if you've got psych psychosis, have do. you exercise? >> Yeah. >> What do you do? >> I usually do 20 minutes on the pelon and. then a different muscle group every day. >> Oh, that's good. That anything cardio-. wise is great for depression supposedly. And even weights. Weights are supposedly. really good for anxiety for some reason.

>> I've noticed. Yeah, >> there's a there's a real definitive. difference when I'm working out versus. when I'm when I'm not. >> Yeah, man. So, like, do you have a. strategy for when you're thinking about. doing this or how you're going to try to. do this? Well, I was thinking I'd probably do it. when I had some time off, but I'm. working the rest of the year, but. honestly, man, being on the road is kind. of my my constant. So, I think it's.

something that I could probably. accomplish while I'm on the road, but. I'd hate to have like a breakdown. >> Yeah. [ __ ] that. >> You're in Nashville about to do a show. and you're like, I got to cancel the. show, >> right? >> Yeah. So, it's it's it's hard to. determine, you know, >> it scares me, man, because and again, it. scares me because doctors incentivize to. keep you on them. >> and promote them and get you to do them. Also, when they've been prescribing them. for people, they don't want to ever. think that they're doing something bad.

>> There's a justification process in there. somewhere, >> 100%. Justification process, financial. incentives, there's there's a lot going. on there. And then there's also this um. this position that they're in of. expertise where they're explaining to. you what you should and shouldn't do and. how it works and and when you're like. this is [ __ ] up my whole life and I. can't get off them. Like oh just why why. slow down? Like isn't everything doing. well? Just keep keep on the same path, Marcus. Everything's fine, Marcus. Bye.

Click. Got a new patient calling. Oh, hi. Jenner Deal. Yeah, it's it's very weird, man. It's very weird that our society is. so hypermedicated. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And injectables are the the wave. of the future. >> Like. >> even like um like uh my boy Chevy that. works for me, he's um he used to work in. pharmaceutical sales and he's like. everything is injectables now because. that's what's hot because of like the.

craze. So like every medication is like. pedaling injectables. >> because like the the wave of like. peptides and ompic and all that kind of. stuff now it's like it's trendy. >> which is really interesting to me. >> That is weird. >> cuz I grew up with my dad having type. two diabetes and and my grandfather too. and u you know just seeing them inject. like insulin and stuff I was like yuck. Well, type two diabetes. The thing about.

that one is you can cure that. >> Yep. >> You just got to stop eating like a pig, >> which is crazy. I know a bunch of people. that have stopped themselves from having. type two diabetes. >> Yeah. And that and that's that's a goal. that I'm on is preventing myself from. ever dealing with that. Yeah. >> I don't I don't eat sugar or anything. >> Oh, that's awesome. >> Yeah. I gave up sugar. >> Well, again, the ketogenic diet is. supposed to be good for depression, too. >> Do you take supplements? So, you're. taking magnesium and yep, >> multivitamins and all that jazz.

>> Oh, yeah. >> That's good. So, it seems like you're. doing a lot of the right things, man. >> Yeah, man. I'm, you know, I just. I. >> don't want to be a prisoner to pills. >> Yeah. And I I love my wife and I'm just. excited to have some babies and just I. want to get myself like her career is. taking off and my career is going really. well and like. >> Does she take SSRIs? >> Mm-m. >> No, that's good. She she's very anti. like any pharmaceuticals which I I. really admire about her.

>> I was just reading something about SSRIs. and the development of children. >> children's brains when women are. pregnant and they're on SSRIs and. apparently there's a bunch of issues. >> Yeah, >> I can see that. >> I mean, look, man, there's millions of. people on those things. there's a giant. business and they want to hide all the. side effects and hide all the negative. aspects of it and hide the impact that. it does just to the overall psyche of. the nation when you've got okay let's. just take a guess how many people do you.

think in this country are on SSRIs with. liberal women it's like 80% of them but. it is and the other 20% need them like. what is what's the percentage of people. on SSRIs in America. Let's guess, >> man. I. >> 30. >> probably say like I would go even. higher. I'd say like 60 to 75. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> 60 to 75% of the country. >> Yeah. >> Wow. I don't think it's that. I think.

it's under 30. >> It's too many. >> It's too many. Yeah, >> it's definitely too many. But there's. also a bunch of people that are looking. for a quick fix when. >> there's a bunch of factors to why you. don't feel happy. Like we were talking. about before, there's lifestyle, life. choices, situation that is beyond your. control, like where you're born, where. you live, the job that you have, like. where you, you know, if you're in a. place of limited opportunity and you got. a bunch of shitty people around you and. life sucks every day. It's hard to be. happy.

>> It's hard to not feel depressed. So then. there's the question of like, how does. one develop the the tools to get out of. that situ situation and get somewhere. else? And for a lot of people, it's. something that helps them break out, whether it's starting a business or. being a musician or an artist or. something that gets you out of there. And then you start getting around more. positive people and then you make more. positive lifestyle choices. But you just. can't expect to be happy if your life is. [ __ ]. >> right? >> 13%. Okay,

>> that was way off. American SSRI. prescribing, but I bet in your business. that's why you think of it because Yeah. And with artists, I bet it's a lot. higher. >> Uh 13% of US adults report taking an. anti-depressant in any given 30-day. period. SSRI is the most frequently used. class within that group. Yeah. Okay. So, 13%. So, that's 2015 to. 2018. >> I asked for an update for 2020. And it. said it's about the same.

>> for 2026. >> I mean, yeah, it says I asked, "Is there. any updates in 2020?" And it basically. said the same information. >> So about 13%. >> Still a lot. One out of 10 people on. crazy pills is a lot. >> Yeah. In in the arts community though. >> Yeah. Like within the artist community, um the last data that I remember reading. was like 70% of like artists struggle. with some faction of mental health. But um. >> I that makes sense.

>> Yeah. >> And then there's also the newest element. that targets your mental health and goes. after it, which is social media. >> Yeah. >> That's a rough one, boy. >> That's a rough one. And so many people. treat that as if it's no big deal. Like. you just shooting heroin into your. eyeballs every day with that stuff. >> Yeah, man. >> Not good. So many people are in there. >> Yeah. >> All day, every day. and then reading a. bunch of negative [ __ ] about them and. getting angry and upset. >> and then.

>> carrying that weight around with them. all day. >> It's it's easy to say like don't read. comments, but it's easier said than. done. Yeah. You know. >> Yeah. Especially if you have it on your. phone. That's the thing. Like you got to. not have it on your phone. >> If you have it on your phone, you're. going to go to it. But then the problem. is if you use it for touring and for. posting information, keeping your fans. engaged. >> Yeah. Well, the algorithm also serves. you like you you got to engage. >> They like anytime you talk to a social.

media group, they're like, "What are. your engagement levels like?" Like, so. they want you on the app using it, >> like commenting, responding to people. because if you don't and you choose not. to do that and they're like, "Well, can. we go on there for you and like respond. to comments or whatever?" And I'm like, "No, I don't want you punching in any. bullshit." So, I'm like, I want to be on. there and be myself and like if this is. a tool that I have to have, I want it to. be me like authentically. But, you know, it's a necessary evil.

>> Yeah. But it it ruins so many people's. brains. >> It rots you. >> Yeah, it really does. And it's also. you're absorbing so much negativity just. from what's going on in the world. Like. on any given day, if I open up Twitter. and I just start reading what people are. upset about, it's just like, oh my god, the whole world is falling apart. Everyone's mad at everything and. everyone and every little. whatever [ __ ] social issue, political. issue, world issue, economic issue.

Everyone's blaming everyone and. everyone's pissed and then there's so. many grifters and psychopaths that are. just on there all day using it, stirring. up [ __ ]. [ __ ] man. >> I know. It's um. Yeah. >> You think I can use the bathroom in the. >> [ __ ] yeah, we can use the bathroom. We'll. >> get into this. >> Yeah. Got a lot to say about. >> We're going to pee, folks. We'll be. right back. And we're back, ladies and. gentlemen. Where were we? Depression.

Everything sucks. Stay off social media. >> Yeah. >> Let's talk about music. >> Let's talk about some music. >> Damn. That's how How does it take so. long to talk? seen that James Brown. interview from the 80s. >> when he's got those big glasses on. >> Oh yeah. >> I want to talk about some music. >> That [ __ ] interview is amazing. >> It's the best. >> When he he had just got arrested and the. >> I'm out on love. >> Yeah. Aren't you out on bail? I'm out on. love. >> Yeah. And he starts talking to the women in.

the thing. He's like, "Why is that. ladies?". >> Yeah. No, it's hilarious. >> It's the best. >> Clearly high as [ __ ]. >> Yeah. something going on there. >> James Brown was an original. >> When you first started doing music, how. old were you? >> Um, man, I was probably like two or. three years old when I started dealing. with it. Yeah. >> That's crazy. >> Mhm. My grandfather played, my uncles, my dad still plays, you know. >> Wow. So, were they professional or they.

just did it for fun? >> My grandfather, so he was a career. serviceman. He was in the Air Force and. he was a staff master sergeant and he. played honky tonks on the weekend. He. was in charge of booking all the NCO. clubs on the base. So he would book like. Charlie Pride or Johnny Cash, Barbara. Mandrrell and his band would open up and. then back them up. >> Oh wow. >> So he was a country and western purist. And. >> did you get to go to any of those shows.

when you were young? >> No. Well, so this was this was back in. the 60s. >> Oh. My dad's 73 I think now. He was born. in 53 and um I was born when my dad was. like 43. >> Oh wow. >> So by the time I came along everybody. was. you know a lot of my family traded in. like uh I think they associated music. with a lot of the secular lifestyle. So.

they kind of when they all got born. again and into the church, that's around. the time I came around, you know. So the. music was really associated with church, but I was really interested in that. other stuff. >> Isn't that interesting? Like I wonder. why there's a division, >> you know? I think about it a lot. I. think that's the closest you can get to. divinity, >> you know, is music really. um allowing. yourself to get that close to something.

and the conviction that you feel in a. church, you know, that's a good common. thing for everybody to get on the same. level. And um. >> yeah, that's part of the church. experience that everybody having it. together, experiencing it together as a. group. >> Being together live in a room with a. great musician on stage when everyone's. enjoying it together is very much a. transcendent experience. >> Yeah, >> it really is. It's.

>> like drinking the Kool-Aid, man. >> Yeah. It's like there's a beautiful. moment when you're all experiencing it. together and you're all clapping and. cheering or you're all dancing and. singing along. It's a beautiful moment. >> It really is. Music is like a drug, man. It really is. It's like a beautiful. drug. >> Like the right song when you're on the. treadmill and you're like, "Fuck yeah.". You could just keep going, you know? >> Dude, I tear a door off the hinges. >> Yeah. >> If I hear like Little Feet, Skin It. Back. >> Yeah. Yeah.

There's certain songs that just give you. [ __ ] energy, man. >> Or like [ __ ] by the Rolling Stones. >> Oh, yeah. >> That song. If I need a pickme up in the. morning, that song comes on. A great. weightlifting one is Prison Sex by. Tulle. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, you know that song? >> Tulle's a band that I never really. delved into, but I know Danny Carrey. And. >> um I know them because of my buddy Brent. Hines. >> Did you ever listen to Masttodon? >> No. >> Man, I got to send you some some choice.

cuts, but. >> Okay. >> Brent was he was the [ __ ] man. He he. just died back in September. >> Oh. Um, I took him on the road right. before that, which was. >> Oh, really? >> which was messy. >> Oh, really? >> Um, Brent, um, he and Masttodon kind of. had a mutual agreement that he would. leave the band, so he was doing his solo. thing and like he's one of my heroes, you know, and I was like, I'll take you. out. Sure. and like he just threw it.

together somehow and then I ended up. having to kick him off the tour which. like broke my heart but he kind of. forced my hand. Um. the night in question like I walked. outside and he had this little tour. manager named Angela and she was crying. and my my tour manager was holding her. and she was crying. I was like [ __ ] a. what happened now? She said, "I walk. into the dressing room and Brent pee on. the floor.

and I said, "No, no, you have to stop.". So then he pee in his mouth. >> Oh Jesus. >> And like I know. So you just have to. picture my boy just like pissing and. she's like, "You have to stop." And then. he's like, "Oh.". >> In his own mouth. And like at his. funeral, I told I told uh Matt Pike from. asleep. I told him that story and he was. like, >> "Yeah, like and. >> normal.". >> He's like, "It's a party trick.

>> That's a Wednesday move.". >> And I was like, "Yeah, no, it's. hilarious." But it really offended her. and she got very upset and um the whole. thing just fell apart and you know that. >> that was the last straw. >> That was fisting in his own mouth. >> That was what did it. >> really? But you know, um, >> get him some paper towels and let's fix. this. >> I was ready to fix it, but like his. whole band and crew, they were like, "It's not working." So, >> what was he doing? >> He was just just partying a little too. much, you know? And I mean,

I I really I love that dude like a. brother, you know? I miss him. Miss him a lot. Sometimes it takes a. really wild, crazy, off the rails person. to make music or make any kind of art. that just moves you, drives you crazy. >> Yeah. I mean, he was a true artist, you. know, like he he was insane. >> Yeah. >> And like you got to have friends that. your wife doesn't particularly love you. hanging out with, >> right?

>> You know, there's something about that. friend. >> Yeah. That's a lot of my friends. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. But those are the ones that. make the magic. >> Yeah, >> there's something to it. And again, that. it is a magic thing that the the you. know, and this is coming from someone. with no music. I have no talent. And so. for me, like watching it and. experiencing it is a pure experience. because I'm not like, oh, I don't like. he how he played that chord. I don't.

like how I don't know anything about. music. I just know I love it. >> I mean, Rick Rubin, you know, he's held. on to that. Mhm. >> He he wants to be, you know, and I think. he has been like the u you know the. voice of like the consumer. >> He he hears what the consumer wants to. hear and I. >> Well, he knows what he likes. >> Yeah. >> And he's got a very interesting mind, you know. He's a very interesting person. to talk to. His perspective on things is.

very unique. I like him a lot. >> Y. >> really like him a I like talking to him. a lot and just he sends you the wildest. text messages. You text me. >> Oh yeah, >> he send me some [ __ ] conspiracies. that are often sometimes I have to say, "Hey, that's not real, >> but every now and then he'll send you. some some ones that make you question. reality.". >> I like the thought of you talking Rick. off of a ledge.

>> Not necessarily talk him off a ledge. letting them know that some of the, you. know, it's hard to know what's real and. what's not real out there in the world. if you're not like deep into the bowels. of conspiracy theory movement. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> right. >> But again, a guy like Rick like his. sensibility like he he has a it's like a. very valuable position person just with. a unique mind that is just helping shape. how music gets produced and created. Mhm. >> And because like whatever whatever it.

takes, whatever it I mean it's not a. science like a math thing or a it's not. carpentry like you have to level this. and square that like no man. There's. like some weirdness and there's love in. there and hate in there and there's. there's there's a lot of stuff that is. intangible. It's hard to describe like. why this is better and why this is good. But when you hear it, you know. when you. know you know. >> you know there's some riffs.

>> you know there's some riffs that just. like oh my god like the beginning of. Vuju child slight return. >> come on. >> yeah come on just the beginning you hear. it you go oh yeah. >> yeah dude. >> I mean Dan Hourback's another one who's. just. >> Oh yeah I love those guys. >> perfected the riff. >> Josh Hammy Stone Age. >> Oh yeah. >> um you So Rick's a funny one, man. I.

love his philosophy on music, too. He. just he looks at it the same way that. Colonel Bruce Hampton looked at it. >> Colonel Bruce Hampton and Rick both. believed that music is like pro. wrestling, you know. >> Is Colonel Bruce Hampton the Colonel. from Elvis? >> That's different. Different Colonel. Who's Colonel Bruce Hampton? >> Colonel Bruce Hampton. He was kind of. like um so Billy Bob Thornton put him in. a movie in Slingblade. Um, he was I. can't remember his name in the film, but. yeah, Colonel Bruce Hampton. There he. is. He died on stage at the Fox Theater.

>> Wow. In Detroit. >> No, in uh Atlanta. >> Oh, okay. >> Uh, his story is he was born with two. birth certificates. Um, he was just a. wild man and he was just he was all. about like instead of instruction, he. called it outstruction. And like Billy. Bob worked on a documentary about him in. like 2003. Um, and he was just like his whole. philosophy on music and just like why we. do it and just pointing out the hilarity. of like the business and like the coffee.

getters as he referred to them. You. know, we have a whole industry built. around coffee getters now. You know, all. the people that got the suits, their. lattes and stuff in the morning, now. they're calling the shots. And that's a. that's a weird place to be. But the. Colonel Bruce Hampton I, you know, I. just what I do now is I just buy copies. of u his uh documentary Basically. Frightened and I just give it to people. who aren't hip to the knowledge. So I'll.

I'll send a copy down here. >> Yeah. It's called Frightened. >> It's called Basically Frightened. >> Basically Frightened. >> Colonel Bruce Hampton story. Yeah. >> Is it available anywhere? Like is it on. Apple or Amazon or. >> It's not streaming anywhere. >> No. So I just I just collect the DVDs. when I can find them. >> Oh wow. Is it a Can you buy a DVD. anywhere? Like if people are listening. to this and they want to get a hold of. it. >> Yeah. Like eBay. >> That's the only way. >> That's That's the only place I found. them. >> Really? >> Yeah. And you'll be bidding against me. I always.

>> keep buying copies of it. >> I Yeah. Every time I give one away, I. buy another copy. >> Wow. >> Yep. >> Here's I found a thread on Reddit. people looking for it and someone's. like, "Just mail me the DVD and I'll. copy it for you." Like, you can't find. it anywhere. >> Oh, wow. >> It would be cool if it it were to be. streamed somewhere. It's a fascinating. story. >> $215 on Amazon, but I don't know that. that's going to be even real, >> right? Yeah. They might just send you a.

[ __ ] brick. >> But he he was somebody like, >> you know, widespread panic. That was. like their guru, you know, >> really. Colonel Bruce Hampton, Jimmy. Herring, you know, um, Otil Burbridge, who I'm in a band with now. Um, you know, he started with Bruce. Really? >> I've never heard of him before. >> You know, it's just he's one of those. guys that, you know, he was like to the. southeast. He was like our Frank Zappa, you know, or like our son Raw. >> Oh, wow.

>> He was just all about just the. outrageousness. And you know, I have a lot of friends. who spent a lot more time with him than. I did, but like he was one of the first. people that took notice to what I was. doing when I was like 15, you know, and. then I remember like being in Germany. and finding out that he'd passed away on. stage, which he predicted. >> He did. Really? >> Yeah. He said that's how he was going to. go. Well, if you keep performing long.

enough. Well, Carlin died in a hotel room on the. road. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> I'm gonna have to download this for you. real quick. >> Oh, there you go. >> It's unlisted on YouTube. >> Oh, perfect. >> It won't be there tomorrow, though. >> After this episode gets released. Yeah. Can you download it? >> Uh, I can try to Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Download it to I'll figure it out, though. But. >> Okay. Jamie to the rescue. >> Sorry folks, if you're getting this. >> You might be able to find it still. I. found good luck.

>> Somebody can upload it on one of them. other social media platforms. That's cool. I'm interested in checking. it out. One of I I love music for. inspiration, you know. It's um it's one. of the unique art forms that uh it. inspires you to create, >> inspires you to go do things. You know, whenever I see a a live band or a live. performer, I can't wait to go do. something. I want I want to go write. I. want to go perform. I want to Paul Paul.

Mooney who's a great comedian. Do you. know who Paul Mooney is? >> Yep. >> Uh he used to write for Richard Prior. He was one of the real OGs back in the. early days when I came to the comedy. store. I was kind of blown. He was one. of the guys I was always nervous around. being around till he liked me. It's. like, you know what I mean? Like yeah, >> Paul Mooney hates you. You're [ __ ]. >> But uh he gave me that advice once early. on. And he said, "If you want to. entertain people," he said, "Go be. entertained." He goes, "You want to. entertain, honey? Go be entertained,

homie. Go see some other shit." He goes, "Go see something that gets you. Go see. a great movie. Go see a band. Go see. something. Be entertained.". >> That's what That's what my process is. like in the studio, man. Like this last. record we did like we had a projector. and we'd play like you know uh Giant. with James Dean or we play like. >> Easy Rider Big Labowski or like films. that like inspired us films that we like. really gravitated towards.

>> and I all the while you know waking up. in the morning and reading East of Eden. and just like some of these great. architects of Americana and just like. being inspired on every turn. >> watching live concert footage of bands. that we love. Marshall Tucker Band, Skard, whatever the case. >> Um, just inundating yourself with. inspiring stuff, you know, >> just something to get the juices. flowing. >> Yeah. >> To summon the muse. >> Mhm. >> Something to.

>> Sometimes we would play just the the. footage of like a Midnight Cowboy or. something. >> and we would we would record, you know, in the mindset like we were trying to. score this film, you know? >> Oh, wow. Wow. >> Just to kind of get a different. approach. >> I forgot about Midnight Cowboy. What a. wild movie. >> It's a good one. >> Yeah. That was back when Times Square. was dirty. >> Yeah. >> Now Time Squares is one big Applebees. >> That's when people would go and watch. pornography together in a theater. >> In a theater. Yeah. Not only that, but.

it was a thing in the early days of. pornography where couples would go out. and like Johnny Carson went to see Deep. Throat. >> Yeah. >> There's like famous people went to see. the film Deep Throat in the theater. >> Yep. Well, it was adult entertainment. >> How But how weird is that that. pornography like there was always stag. films, right? Mhm. >> Like that was the thing that they used.

to make like in the early days of. movies. They would film. >> people having sex and you could watch it. like at a stag party which was like a. bachelor party, >> right? >> But then people tried to make films like. artistic films that had people having. sex in them which is really interesting. that we we find that. aborant like people don't like that in. today's society. We don't mind like this. this show from that I was telling you. about. Bro, the violence is horrific.

The gore and the violence is crazy. That's okay. >> Just don't suck someone's dick. Don't. make them come. That's terrible. Like, do you remember the movie Bad Bunny? No, not Bad Bunny. Was that Brown Bunny? Brown Bunny. Do you remember the movie. Brown Bunny? >> Brown Bunny was a Vincent Gallow movie. that he made and there was a real sex. scene in there. Like like real like how. do you say that lady's name? Chloe. >> I don't know how. I don't know how you say her name. She's.

a really good actress and she blows him. like for real in the movie. Like it's a. real scene and the movie is a real. movie. But then when it came to the sex. part, they actually did it and people. were horrified. >> Yeah. >> I mean that's so weird. Like if it was. violence, like if it was a scene where. she beat him to death with a baseball. bat, >> people would be like, "Wow, what a crazy. movie.". >> Right. >> But it was a scene where she blows him.

People like, "This is outrageous.". >> Outrageous. >> And I think that movie ruined Vincent. Gallow's career. >> Really? >> Yeah. Cuz Vincent Gallow had been in a. bunch of movies. He's a really weird. guy. Like a very interesting guy. And. after that, he kind of dipped away from. Hollywood. like he kind of vanished in a. lot of ways. And that was the big thing. I remember reading these articles on how. outraged people were that they had. actually seen real sex in a movie.

>> Like it's so strange that we don't mind. violence. >> Like once upon a time in Hollywood, Brad. Pitt takes a lady's head and bashes it. into a mantel piece and [ __ ] brains. her. >> Fine. >> Fine. >> No. No outrage. No. Everyone Everyone. okay? Everyone's okay. But if he [ __ ]. her Yeah. Yeah. >> Like actually pull her pants down. You. see Brad Pitt's penis and her vagina, you're like, "This is crazy." Something. that we all do. >> Yeah. But the simulation of it is fine, too, >> right? Simulation of it is fine. >> Yeah. Like if it was a sex scene and you.

just see his hips and her face like, "Oh, and they're kissing." Fine. Long as. you don't see actual sex. >> Mhm. >> Even if it was like him and his wife. Like if he made a movie with him and his. wife and they decided to have actual sex. in the movie, people would be like, "This is disgusting. Get this [ __ ]. smut off the screen." But if they had a. movie with him and his wife and she. shoots him, you're like, "Okay, that's. fine." Didn't really happen, >> right? >> Weird, right? >> It is weird. I mean, hell, I did a.

commercial for. like I did a a shoot for this car and. like they couldn't have me in the car. while it was moving for insurance. purposes. So they had to like make it. seem like I was in the car while it was. moving. >> Insurance purposes. That's crazy. But that's more uh of a financial thing. >> Yeah. >> Are we But the the weirdness about sex, the point is like see if you can find. that um footage of all the people that.

were in line. And there's like an old. there's a YouTube video of an old news. report of people in line to see. [ __ ]. >> right? >> And again, Johnny Carson was one of. them. And I think they even interviewed. him after the film. Like they they went. and watched people [ __ ]. >> and like it was a movie. Like you know, you're watching the Joker or something, >> right? >> Very odd. >> It is odd. And they got that name. [ __ ] from the the Watergate. Uh,

>> did they? >> Yeah. >> I thought Deep Throat was uh afterwards. >> I thought I thought the Watergate thing. was after. >> I don't know. >> I could be wrong. Chicken or the Egg. >> Okay. So, Watergate was what 70. >> 74 was it? >> Came out in 72. >> Oh, yeah. So, the movie came out first. >> Okay. >> And so, that was after those. So that's. interesting too when you think about. like 72.

was not that long ago and people's ideas. of pornography were very different back. then. >> A lot of my favorite venues in the. country were porno theaters first. >> Comedy mothership, bro. >> All right. Yeah. >> Was a porno theater at one point in time. >> and like people cared about like the. quality of like the the audio production. in those films and like you know and. these rooms sound really good. the. Variety Playhouse in Atlanta. >> It's one of the best scenes in American. Werewolf in London. >> Okay. >> Do you remember that movie, American.

Werewolf in London? >> Um, >> it's a great [ __ ] movie. One of the. best scenes. They're in the middle of. London and they're in an adult movie. theater and these people are watching. pornography. They're watching a smut. film and while these people are [ __ ]. he turns into a werewolf and kills. everybody. >> I got to check that out. >> Oh, it's great. One of the greatest. movies of all time. That wolf that we. have in the lobby, that's a a recreation. >> Oh, really? >> of the American Werewolf. >> Okay. >> That's what that is. >> The thing with Johnny Carson and Deepth. Throat, I think, is like a.

conglomeration memory. >> Is it? >> There's a there's a weird There is a. photo of people waiting in line to see. the movie. >> Mhm. >> But it's like this is it on screen. >> Mhm. But there was a video. >> of Johnny Carson talking about it after. the fact during his monologue that he. went to see it. >> Oh, so there wasn't a photo or a video. of him at the movie theater? >> I don't think so, man. I'm looking for. it cuz I sort of remember what you're. talking about. I think remember we might.

have read an article that listed all of. this stuff together. >> What was that play where they had like. everybody was like naked and it was like. really a big deal. Um, was it like. Hairspray or something like that? >> I don't know. >> In the late 70s, my dad told me him and. his friends went to go see this like. Broadway production or off Broadway. production um where like everybody was. like nude and it was like this really, >> you know, it was like this really racy.

thing. Yeah. >> And uh there was a preacher up front. just like really just giving him hell, man. And then he got up closer and he. realized it was his uncle. My great. uncle was up there. just motherfuckering them. >> That's hilarious. Widely cited uh. overview. Many works are quoted. Note. that several mainstream celebrities. appear to have seen deep throat. including Martin Scorsesi, Brian Dealma, Truman Capot, Jack Nicholson, Johnny. Carson, Spiro Agnu, Frank Sinatra, and.

others. Barbara Walters later mentioned. seeing it in her memoir. These. references are usually brief, but. they're pulled into many articles about. the film's cultural impact. But that's. what's so interesting. is like that is. not um not normal in today's society to. even think that a bunch of people would. say they went to go see a porn film. >> I think this is also so Midnight Cowboy. which is where you guys started this. 1969 which is before this and one best. picture as the X-rated or NC7 movie. So.

there started a little bit of a trend. then. >> this is only three years later you know. So. >> why was Midnight Cowboy X-rated? the. reason. >> Yeah. Like what was uh what was so. explicit that they had to make it an X? >> I would say a little bit has to do with. marketing, >> but I don't know if there's a reason. >> Marketing. >> Yeah. It make people want to go see it, >> right? I guess. Oh, this is crazy. This. movie is crazy.

>> It's not standing out here. Right here. after consulting with a psychologist. they told to give it an exhomosexual. frame reference and its possible. influence on youngsters. >> Wow, that's crazy. Today that would be. celebrated, >> right? >> Oh, there's a rape scene. I haven't seen. this movie. >> I I saw it in like the 80s. I haven't. seen it in forever. Yeah, but even I.

mean like in that film it's like a it's. like a a distant thought that John Voy's. character keeps going back to like the. rape scene whereas like [ __ ]. >> when was the last time you saw it? >> Um couple months ago probably. >> Oh, really? >> But like [ __ ] u the deliverance is. plays on AMC on TV. >> Right. Right. Which is another rape. scene. >> Nothing's edited out. >> Squeal like a pig. >> That one [ __ ] me out when I was a kid. I'm not going to lie. Oh yeah, very much so.

>> Not to mention it like supposedly took. place like in the Appalachian like. backdrop, which is like where I grew up. And I was like, that's [ __ ] happening. like here. Uh because of then shocking. sexual content. Even more importantly, it's frank portrayal of homosexuality. and hustling. Hustling meaning having. gay sex for money, >> which the studio and sensors saw as. potentially corrupting to young viewers. The film includes scenes and references. to male prostitution, homosexual.

encounters, and brief but explicit. situations including implied oral sex. and nudity, which went far beyond what. Hollywood had shown in a mainstream. drama up to that point. >> Maybe now it would get just an R, but. also that would be with this never. existing. So. >> now it' be celebrated there. It's it's a. film celebrating sex workers. Yeah. It's. weird. It's weird what was uh but it's. also weird that there was a movie that. was an actual porn movie that a bunch of. people just went to see and talked.

about. Like today people want to pretend. they don't even watch porn. >> Yeah. >> Meanwhile, I think last check we did I. know we've done this before, Jamie. Like. what percentage of the internet is. pornography? Internet traffic. Take a guess of that. I bet it's way. more than SSRIs, >> right? Don't you think? >> Yeah. I haven't I haven't guessed right. so far. So, let's see. Uh. 50%. >> Oh, wow. I don't think it's that high. I.

would think I would say 30. >> Okay. >> I'd say 30% of the internet, but I could. be wrong. I don't remember. 30% of the. internet traffic is pornography. Let's. say that. Maybe it's 40. >> Saying that's a myth. >> It's a myth. >> I don't I mean, I haven't read through. this yet. >> That's a bunch of people lying about. jerk and all, but 30 to 40% is a myth. apparently. Okay. Porn makes up a small share of. sites. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But traffic, >> yeah, it says it. >> um 30 40%.

Uh wy stated, but what is the what about. traffic? The amount of internet. >> searches. >> Yeah, but. >> no, but I mean traffic like the amount. of bandwidth. >> All right, then it's getting lost in. this word because I used I used traffic. No, I used traffic. >> Yeah, you did. Why do we see higher. numbers? See, 37 37% of the internet is. porn. BBC reported tracing one of these. popular figures back to single content. filter company press release, not an. independent audited measurement, some. advocacy. I I bet now today because of.

YouTube and the amount of streaming that. goes on with like uh Instagram and Tik. Tok, I bet it probably isn't as high as. it used to be the percentage wise. because there's so much more content. that's being streamed now than ever. before. Mhm. >> Porn related searches are 13% on the web. and 20% on mobile devices. That's funny. It's more on mobile devices because. people can hide in the toilet. Um the content filter company. Okay.

>> The claim comes from this. >> Yeah, we read that. We already read. that. >> Well, I just So it could be just made up. to begin with. >> Yeah, could be. But there's got to be. like a number. >> I don't know. >> Of like the internet traffic. >> I don't know how you'd get that number. So, some advocacy or internet safety. groups site very high traffic shares and. storage figures. Example, uh nearly a. third of all internet traffic, but these. are rough, sometimes opaque estimates. rather than peer-reviewed measurements. H okay, so it's at least 4%. So, it says.

roughly websites 4 to 12%. That's a lot. Just 4 to 12% of the whole internet is. jerkoff websites. That's crazy. But the volume in terms of the amount of. bandwidth used, >> right? >> But. >> I bet if you went and watched Deep. Throat today, it probably be pretty. pedestrian, >> be tamed. >> Yeah. >> It probably would seem just like. softcore almost, >> right? Yeah. Like one of them Showtime.

late night movies. >> Yeah. I mean it is something that I you know. um I like to save all that you know when. I get home off the road see my wife. >> Yeah. >> You know tagline that it had originally. >> the woman had an unusual birth defect. that came from a doctor who has an. unorthodox solution to make the best of. her situation. >> Is that it? >> Is that a the deep throat? >> Yes. Yes. Oh, that she could just take.

it. >> a bird defect. >> balls deep down her her chin. That guy. Harry Rees, he was like one of the first. famous male porn stars and I think he. went on to be a real estate salesman or. something. >> Like if you're one of those people that. gets famous [ __ ] that's that has got. to be a very weak. >> Is that where the porn mustache comes. from? That thing's huge. >> Oh yeah, he had a crazy stash. >> 1947. Wow. What's he up to these days? He passed away,

>> did he? Yeah. >> When did he pass away? >> 2013. >> Wow. Didn't live that long. >> All that [ __ ] wasted all his jizz. >> I bet he shaved off his mustache and he. was just anonymous. He just drifted in. and out of traffic. Nobody even noticed. him, you know? >> Right. >> Weird life having sex with people on. camera. >> Should we add that to the wall? >> That Oh, look at that. Got it. >> Wonder what he got arrested to. >> If we add it to the wall. Oh, probably. for. >> indecent something. Yeah, we should add. that to the wall.

>> Memphis, >> you got to be up to some no good to get. arrested in Memphis. I tell you, >> what did he get arrested for? >> I'll see if it says something. >> Too much dick. >> Says his appearance in Dethro led to his. arrest by FBI agents in Memphis and. charges his conspiracy to distribute. obscenity across state lines. >> Whoa. Whoa. >> He called it forum shopping, but I don't. >> What does that mean? forum. >> real term for the practice of litigants. taking actions to have their legal case.

heard in the court they believe is most. oh to give them a good judgment. >> they're trying to f they're trying to. get them convicted I guess trying to. make an example of them so they found a. court that would take the case. >> like for obscinity. >> yeah supreme court. >> Miller vers California resonance granted. a new trial charges were dropped in. August. >> wow so they just. >> defense argues the first act to ever be. prosecuted by the federal government for. appearing in a film It's like the Looney. Bruce is slinging dick. >> and then all these people got behind.

him. >> Very Shirley Mlan, Warren Batty, Richard. Drifus. They all got behind him. Jack. Nicholson, Ben Gazara. Wow. Dick Cavitt. >> He was in Greece as the coach. >> Wow. >> He was in the movie Greece, the musical. >> What? In 1978. >> Out of fear his notoriety would uh. jeopardize the film's B, he was. replaced. Okay. Oh, he was cast and he. was replaced by Sid Caesar. That's. hilarious. Wow. After an 8-year in 1982, after an.

8-year hiatus from porn, Reams returned. to the industry and performed in the. film Society Affairs and reportedly. received a six figure salary. >> How weird. >> Way back then. >> Weird. >> It is. >> It the the whole pornography thing is. very strange cuz like people want to. watch other people have sex because. people like having sex but it's like. >> but you can't talk about it. >> Well, you know, if you say you like it,

people like [ __ ] is wrong with you and. then they watch it. >> But if we could dstigmatize it and like. not give people unrealistic ideas of. what happens in the in the bedroom. >> and and note it as something that is. entertainment, you know, it's. entertainment. The fear is that the. women that are in it, they for the rest. of their life, they're always going to. be thought of a certain way. >> And the men skate, they don't really. have a like they're thought as CD, but. they don't thought as like, you know,

girls that got used. Well, I think. what's going to get weird is AI porn. because then you can watch porn and. there's no victims, right? There's no. person you feel bad for. like, "Oh, that. poor girl. Everyone's going to know that. she sucked dick on camera. She took it. in the ass on camera.". >> It's not a real person. So then maybe. you can watch that and. >> remove any kind of victim. Yeah. >> I don't know. People are [ __ ] weird. >> People are weird.

>> I'll tell you one thing I've never tried. and I'm not going to. I don't want it. Nope. Not going to do it. Is VR porn. because Duncan told me, "Dude, have you. ever seen VR porn? It's [ __ ]. amazing." like not gonna do it. I'm not. going to sit there with [ __ ] goggles. on, jack it off. >> Joe hasn't left his house in about six. months. >> I mean, you imagine you're watching porn. and the people are [ __ ] 20 ft high in. front of you and they're they're bagging. and if you could move around in it like. you can move around in other VR like you.

can get like really close to watch the. dick go in there like. >> that's one thing I haven't tried either. >> VR porn good for you. Stay away. VR in. general is weird. You know what's really. great though is VR games. Have you ever. done any VR games? >> You know what Sandbox is? You ever heard. of Sandbox? >> Sandbox. They have one in Austin. Uh. they had one in Wood Woodland Hills. right down the street from our old. studio in LA. And it is a a place where.

you go. It's like a big ass warehouse. and you go to these rooms in the. warehouse and they have fan set up and. it's all like these these walls like. it's all uh boundaries. They put a. haptic feedback vest on you and goggles. and they give you rifles and the plastic. rifles and then you get dropped into. this virtual reality world where you. fight zombies. >> Oh [ __ ]. >> It's [ __ ] dope, dude. It's nuts. When. the zombies attack you, they run at you. They claw you. You see blood splatter in.

front of your eyes and you gun them. down. It's [ __ ] crazy. There's a. there's one called Deadwood Mansion. That's my favorite. And the Deadwood, man. There's a couple different Deadwood. games. I think there's. two or three now. I think there's three. I think there's three. There's three. zombie games that you could play. >> Three different ones. No, it's here. >> Here. >> They have one in Austin. >> Yeah, it's out at um the domain. Mhm. >> Yeah. It's out of the domain. It's. [ __ ] so fun. My family hates it.

because they get like sick and I want. that's all I ever want to do. So on. Father's Day, I make everybody shoot. zombies with me. Like it's Father's Day. What do you want. to do? Shoot zombies. Like no. Like come. on. We have to do it. >> Yeah. >> It's once you do it, it's fun. >> Father's Day is coming up. >> Joe. >> tournament. >> Okay. Uh at one point in time I had the. number three score in the country. killing zombies. Yeah, I went ham one. day. One day I was just locked the [ __ ].

in. And the key is I'm going to give you. guys a a pro tip. If you're doing. Deadwood Mansion, get the shotgun. >> The shotgun is overpowered. The shotgun. kills more things than anything else. It's way better at it. But the game is. nuts, man. I mean, there's there's. zombie rats that come running at you. There's [ __ ] people that are attached. to the walls and they they they shoot. down their tongue and wrap it around. your neck and they're pulling on you. Show Show them a clip of it. >> It's crazy. It is a [ __ ] It is It's.

really fun, dude. You'll You'll love it. >> I'm going take the band to do that. >> Yeah, that's what you you could do. You. could do it like six people. You go. there for like band activities. >> It's a good one. I bet they have. multiple. I don't I only know of these. two of Austin and um LA. >> The one I pulled up is in Atlanta. >> Oh, is one in Atlanta? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. They have to have them all over. the place. I don't know. I I have no. idea why it's not everywhere cuz it's so. fun. It's one of the most fun things you. could do with your friends. We've done.

it. My wife and I have done it on double. dates. Like you go do that and then you. go have dinner. It's great, man. It's. great. It's really fun. >> They got a ton OF LOCATIONS NOW. >> OH [ __ ] They're all over the place now. Yeah, that's great. >> Um, see if you can find a video of. Deadwood Mansion. Oh, Deadwood Phobia. >> Oh, that's the newest one. That's the. third one. Oh, there's a Squid Games. one. We've done that one, too. The. Stranger Things one. They have so many. different Deadwood Valley. That's.

another one that's really good. The Deadwood Valley one. Do they have a. Yeah, here we go. So, check this out. So, this is what happens. You get. dropped off into this city. and the zombies are there. And so this is this is you. It's like. it's cut between you with the guns and. then like this is what you see. This is. what it looks like. So, but this is more. like a video like showing you what it. looks like on the outside. But when.

you're in it, wish they would show you. what it looks like. That's what it looks. like when you're in it. >> Oh wow. >> And these dudes are chasing after you. You're gunning them down. >> It's really fun. But again, there's a bunch of games that. you can do that. >> survive the horrors. You got to save the heroes. There's There's people in there that you. have to save and there's other people. that you have to kill. It's dope. It's. really fun. >> It's badass.

>> So, that's a good use of VR. >> Don't be looking at 10-ft vaginas. >> Look at Go kill fake zombies. You get. stuck on a train and as a train's. running down the tracks, they're jumping. onto the train and trying to get you. You have to gun them down. It's really. fun. >> That seems like something I I could get. into. >> I never played any video games growing. up. >> Really? That's crazy. How old are you? >> 30. >> How's that possible? >> I mean, I just I never had much interest. in them. Like when I was young,

um I don't know. >> Do your friends play video games? Uh, like the rest of the band, they all. play, you know, >> and you just say, "No, not interested.". >> I was just never really into it, man. >> Well, this is different than a regular. video game. Like, this is very physical. Like, you're running around. You're in a. room that's bigger than this room. And. you have your haptic feed. You also have. fans that blow air at you, you know? Like, see, like if it's also to cool you. off, too, cuz it gets hot as [ __ ] And. you're running around. You got this vest. on and when you get grabbed the vest.

vibrates so you feel it like. >> that's sick. >> Oh yeah. It's really fun. But it's. probably good that you never got into. video games cuz they're so time. inensive. They they rob you of your. life. You think go golf robs you of your. life? >> You don't have to leave the house to. play video games. Like look at Jamie. over there. How often do you play video. games, Jamie? >> No, not that often. >> No. >> No. >> I thought you were a junkie. >> I actually I haven't played in weeks. >> Oo, maybe. >> But you were hooked for a while, right? It's a fun, as I'm thinking in my head,

I'm like, I grew up playing video games, but I also wish I was [ __ ] sick at. guitar. So, there's a [ __ ] trade-off. there. And most people I know who are sick of. guitar aren't good at video games or. play them. So, >> that's a very good point. >> I did make I made an effort like uh a. year or two ago. I got a PS5 and I got. Red Dead Redemption. I was like, I'm. going to [ __ ] do it. I'm going to. play this game. And I just got I was. like, I feel like I'm just doing chores. And I asked my drummer. He was like, yeah, it's pretty much what it is.

>> Oh, Red Dead Redemption. Yeah, >> you got to play something like a first. person shooter. >> Mhm. >> You know, play like Quake or something. like that. Like what's a what's the big. first person shooter that the kids play. today, Jamie? >> I made Fortnite. Really? >> Fortnite? Fortnite is. >> Boy, Fortnite's been around forever. When I My kids were in like grade. school, Fortnite was big. >> Yep. And they just made some weird I. don't I stopped paying attention but. like Star Wars is now in Fortnite and. that the games that they made for Star. Wars are just like Nope. It's just in.

this thing now. You can just play it in. here. >> Wow. >> Really? >> Yeah. It's like they download. Stormtroopers and lightsabers. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. My nephews are always hitting me. for uh what do they call that? Like. Fortnite bucks or. >> V-Bucks? V-bucks. Yeah, >> they want V-Bucks so they can play more. >> Yeah. There's Robux. My kids were always. into Robux for Roblox. So you could buy. things in Roblox. But apparently now. there's like pedophiles have been. gotten into Roblox. They try to message. people.

>> They ruin everything. >> They do. They do. Creeps ruin. everything. But there's some very fun. video games that you shouldn't ever do. because it'll [ __ ] with all the other. things you do. Like not getting into. golf, not getting into video games. Again, Jaime's dead right. That's. probably why you're so sick at guitar. That's what. >> you can make a guitar jly wheat back. >> Well, there's other things like there's. certain games where you can play guitar. like Guitar Hero. >> That's not the [ __ ] same.

>> No, no, no. But haven't people learned. how to play guitar? An actual guitar. because of guitar? >> There's a game there's technically a. game. It's like a training aid called. Rocksmith, which is way it's uh you. actually have a guitar and it's plugged. into it, not. >> on run. That's cool. >> Guitar here. You're just hitting five. buttons. Oh, >> you're just matching red to red, blue to. blue, and it's a timing thing, >> but has you no transfer? >> It doesn't. Oh, but it would I would. imagine that a game that would teach you. how to play guitar. >> with an actual guitar would be dope.

Like if you got like, you know, like. these games like the sandbox game. Deadwood Mansion, they you get a gun and. if you got really good like Staccato has. a VR gun game. staccato. They make. pistols and they there's a VR gun game. and you get a plastic staccato and when. you're playing this game like you're. actually pointing the trigger and when. you pull the trigger there's actually. like a muzzle jump. Oh wow. >> So your reticle actually jumps up and.

down a little. Your red dot jumps up and. down a little bit. That was that would. be exactly like it would do if you. actually shot a gun. So they have to. like reenter it. Bang bang bang. And so. you could run around doing things and. shoot stuff and shoot targets. And. >> that's here too. >> Yeah. And you But that's a a game that. you can get for like medical VR goggles, like consumer VR goggles. And so you. doing that could get better at shooting. guns. >> cuz you're shooting a plastic. Doesn't.

weigh the same, but it's the same shape, the same form. It's a plastic gun. I. mean, what they really should do is make. one of those things with the weight of. an actual steel gun so that you're. accustomed to the actual feel of the. thing. >> Yeah. >> And then, oh god, why can't they do. that? They should be able to do that. >> Maybe I'll talk to them. But if you did. that, like that would be a skill that. would actually transfer over. So, if. they could do that with a guitar, if. they could figure out a way to attach.

like computer sensors to an actual real. guitar. >> This is Rocksmith. This is uh. >> there's levels of it. You can slow it. down. And. >> And what are you playing? >> Real songs. You pick the song. They're. all real songs, >> right? But what is the interface? >> The guitar. >> Oh, an actual guitar. >> Yeah, it's plugged in with the USB cable. to the computer. >> Oh, it's their virtual guitar. >> No, no, this is just I I showed you what. it looks like on the the the game, but. >> right. Um. >> what is it? But it looks like an actual.

guitar. >> It's a real Whatever guitar you want to. play. >> It's your guitar. It's not It's not a a. fake guitar. >> Guitars are just things that vibrate. strings and. >> expel. Oh, dude, that's dope. >> Expel digital sound thing. >> That's That is dope. But I think. >> pretty sick. >> After a while, you'd have to abandon. that, right? >> Well, yeah, he's good at guitar. I mean, >> need to learn this. >> Did you learn by lessons or did you just. learn by playing? So, initially I just learned by just.

sitting around the house watching. cartoons, playing guitar. Um, my. grandfather would teach me something. He'd give me like a project basically. Um, or my dad would leave me a record to. listen to. And it was just his old. record collection. So, a lot of Almond. Brothers band, a lot of Skard, Marshall. Tucker band, that kind of thing. And. then I would just sit at home all day. and just go over it. And then later when. I was in high school um I studied jazz. theory with um Steve Watson um at this.

it was like a vocational school for the. arts. >> It's called the Fine Arts Center in. Greenville, South Carolina. And um I'd. go there in the afternoons and study. jazz theory and which was which was. really beneficial because it's it's good. to put a. >> put a vocabulary to things that you. >> you kind of knew you know but you didn't. know how to quite name it. >> Just kind of learning the you know the. vocabulary learning you know what the.

things are called and then expanding. upon that. you know. >> Yeah, music theory is a is a valuable. tool. >> Yeah. >> Does it does it help you in writing. songs? >> It can. Um, it helps in like um like in. Nashville they use something called the. Nashville number system. So like you go. into a session and like it's all based. off of the major scale. So like one two. three four five six seven and then the.

eight is just the octave of the one, right? So. they'll say like we got a one, four, five, you know, and that just represents. what the chords are. >> Yeah. >> Oh, this is where math and stuff gets. this get really interesting. You go down. this rabbit hole forever. You could you could bring a Terrence. Howard back in here into some weird. stuff and honestly and then you could. bring in ancient Egypt and say this is. all vibrations and you could probably.

translate hieroglyphs into some of this. music theory stuff. >> It's [ __ ] weird. >> Terrence Howard trying to find the one. >> like in a in a beat. That's hilarious. >> But the first time I used a number. system was with with Hourback. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Cuz Dan, like his house band for a. long time was the remaining members of. the Memphis Boys who played on like Son. of a Preacher Man by Dusty Springfield. >> Oh wow. >> And like U Suspicious Minds, that kind. of thing. Uh Jean Chrisman was 80 years.

old playing drums. Um Bobby Wood, keyboard player, Billy Sanford. And his. second session in Nashville was Pretty. Woman and he wrote the riff. >> Oh wow. So I walk in, I was early to the. session and they were still they were. finishing up their first session of the. day which was John Prime and I walked. in. It was just like whoa. >> Wow. >> And Dan was like Marcus to get his ass. in here and play some slide guitar. So. they threw a chart in front of me. I. just had to pretend I knew what was.

going on. You know, that's where you got. to rely on your ear. But it's conversational, too. Like if. you don't really know what's going on, like you don't want to say much. >> Yeah, >> right. That's fascinating, man. >> I'm scared of music. >> Not Not really, but I'm scared of. practicing it. I'm I'm scared of. learning it because I I just feel like. it would be very rewarding. >> It is. >> And I' I'd get very obsessed. >> Yeah.

>> Something to it. >> Yeah. Well, listen, man. I'm glad. there's people out there like you doing. it, >> man. I'm I'm just thankful. >> Well, that's the best attitude to have. That's what I think. I think gratitude. is the best attitude to have. >> Any anyone that's doing what they. actually want to do, >> what's going to propel you forward and. and keep it going is probably gratitude. >> Yeah. >> Just be happy that like you're able to. do one of the coolest [ __ ] things in. the world for a living. >> Kind of amazing.

>> Just And don't be an [ __ ]. >> Don't be an [ __ ] That's it. You'd be. surprised how hard it is to follow that. one. >> I know, right? A lot of people fail. Well, thank you, Marcus. Thanks for. being here, brother. It was fun. I. enjoyed it. >> What's that? Oh, >> thanks for having me. >> Anytime. Let's do it again. All right. Bye, everybody.