Joe Rogan Experience #2498 - Brendan Schaub

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Hey. Hey. What's up, brother? >> My man. Good to see you. >> What's going on? >> This is a good time for you to come in, man. Right after this weekend. Holy. [ __ ] Yeah, brother. >> Bro, for I mean, everybody's talking. about the Sean Strickland Hamza fight. and the debate, but before we even talk. about that, bro, how [ __ ] good is.

Joshua Van? >> And he's only been fighting about 5. years. [snorts]. >> That's what's scary. >> Crazy good. >> Five years. >> Crazy good. >> And he has some holes for sure that that. certain guys are going to uh you know, expose, but five, think how. >> he's not the best on the ground. >> He's also 24. >> He's 24. Yeah. crazy athlete, but his. [ __ ] boxing, it might be the best in. the UFC. >> It's up there. Him or Ilia? >> Yeah. Well, Ilia's pretty. >> The thing about Ilia is Ilia's one punch.

night night. That's the difference. >> It's tough at flyweight to be a knockout. artist. >> But then also Josh Figero. >> True. >> True. >> He was starching people. >> He was. But with Josh too, again, he's. 24. But in Tatsier Tyra, he also just. was blocking punches with his face. >> Well, >> that's the other thing. Like his defense. was so bad. >> I think it was that Joshua Van's offense. was so good. >> You know what? I think it's a combo of. both. >> Yeah, it's a combo of both. >> cuz Tyra is primarily a grappler. I.

mean, he's obviously a mixed martial. arts fighter and he he did strike. I. mean, that's why he didn't completely. get blown out of the water. >> He did strike pretty well. It's just the. counters came so clean, so sharp. Like I. rewatched some of it today and I was. like, "Good lord, that's pretty.". >> So good. >> He looks so good. >> And again, 20. >> 24 and you know, it took all the stink. off of the way he won the title. >> Yeah, but the the And not not me. I'm.

sure not you, but there's a lot of. questions that haven't been answered for. sure because Pantoia is a [ __ ]. straight up assassin. >> Okay. How would he do against Pantosia? >> Hey man, his stock went up after this. fight. I'll tell you that. Look, it was. it was always up, right? But Tyra was a. real threat. Tyra got him on the ground. Wasn't able to submit him. Joshua Van. pieced him up on the feet, man. >> But again, at 24, so let's say they do. the Pantosia rematch, whatever, Q4, and.

let's say Pantosia gets that win. All. good. He's 24, >> right? He's going to be your champ for a. very long time. >> And how long how old is Alandre Pantosia. at this point? >> Not young. In flyweight years, he's 67. [laughter]. >> Yeah, flyweight's tough. >> 36. >> 36. That's tough. That's [snorts] tough. If he was a middleweight, you'd be like, that's the beginning of the slide, right? That's the beginning of the. slide. For welterweight, you're like, oo. >> Yeah. >> But flyweight.

>> Oh, bro. >> It's crazy. >> Yeah. >> Heavyweight is like he's in his prime. >> Oh, we're cooking it. >> Look at Francis. Francis is like 38 or. something. >> Yeah. Is he 38? >> Yeah. >> Francis is in his [ __ ] prime. Like. nobody looks at Francis and goes eyes. over the hill. >> Oh, never. Not at all. >> No. There's some old cats at heavyweight. doing the damn thing. Especially now the. heavyweight divisions. >> How old Vulkov? >> 59. [laughter]. >> I honestly. old day, >> right? He was a Bellator champion. M1.

champion. He was a Bellator champion in. the early days of Bellator. >> Yeah. And remember he had in Bellator. and when he first got the UFC he had. that Moana tattoo on his back. [laughter]. He had he had the sting, right? >> And he changed it into that Japanese. mask. >> Yeah. I like this. >> That one looks dope. The new one looks. dope. >> So dope. I like to think I'm the one. that kind of bullied him into [laughter]. doing that cuz I it's all I ever talked. about for like six years when he fought. [screaming]. >> and he comes out with just this dope ass. samurai tattoo. I'm like, "Yeah, there.". >> Well, sometimes you realize like this.

ain't making it. I got to fix this. >> Yeah. Especially that people like, "Bro, why do you have a [ __ ] stingray on. your back?". >> Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many. tattoos does Shawn Brady have? That. motherfucker's feet are tattooed, bro. >> Like, his entire body's tattooed. >> How good did he look? >> Phenomenal. >> This thing might, you know, >> phenomenal. >> I always get stressed out because. everyone's asking for betting picks. before the fights and I MMA's tough, dude. MMA's tough to [ __ ] pick. >> Yeah. So, uh, with the Walking Buckley. fight, the reason I I told my brother, I'm like, "Literally, put your mortgage.

on Shawn Brady, cuz Walking Buckley did. an interview like a week before was. like, I'm not working on grappling. I'm. not wrestling or grappling. I'm just. going to keep this thing standing and. knock this [ __ ] out." I was. like, "Oh, buddy. >> No way." He really said that. >> Yeah, you can find it out there, J. >> But that could have been just a [ __ ]. tactic to try to get Shawn Brady cuz. Shawn Brady probably saw that interview, too. >> Yeah. And was like, "Cool, say less.". kind of [laughter] just. >> I know but I mean. >> 10 seven rounds three of them. >> I know it was nuts but I mean you could. say that. >> I get I hear you.

>> if you were just playing mental games. >> I get you. >> but maybe he actually did that. >> and it appeared so. >> it well hard to say cuz that's how good. Shawn Brady is hard to say it's just. tough when you lose like that. >> cuz you go back to the you go back to. the locker room you're like. >> [ __ ] we're not even in the same. ballpark. No, like I'm What am I going. to do? You look at your coaching staff, you go, "What are we going to do? I. thought I was a top five guy. I just got. beat 106 three rounds in a row.".

>> Okay, I was I was going to bring this. up. So, I I have some insight to this. So, there was some very strange betting. behavior. Um it it says it turns out to. be meaningless. Bet online cited. abnormal betting patterns as Buckley. moved uh from plus 150 underdog to minus. 220 favorite before the fight. So, this. is what happened. Um there's money that. moved very quickly before the fight and. uh the UFC obviously because they've. been through this [ __ ] with the guys. fixing fights and the FBI investigated.

it. They got concerned and so um I. believe what happened is they minimized. the amount that you could bet online so. you couldn't bet big money anymore. I. don't know what the c Let's find out. what the cap they put on it was. Um, but. then. you um they they were going to go ahead. with the fight, but they wanted to make. sure that Shawn Brady wasn't injured. So, this was the fear. The fear was that. some inside camp word got out, Shawn. Brady's got an injury, and then all the. money jumps up cuz that a lot of times. that's what happened.

>> But they they did it right cuz I I. before they would just cancel the fight. like we don't know what's going on. We're cancel fight. No, just take the. fight off the betting sites. >> Well, they only did that one time. They. did that one time with the Alexander. Hernandez. I don't remember who he's. fighting. I don't remember who Alexander. Hernandez was fighting, but they did. that with that fight. And I thought that. was really crazy. Crazy. >> They [clears throat] asked Alexander. like, "Are you okay?" He's like, "I'm. fine." Like, "I am planning on winning. this fight." But for some reason, he. became an underdog. Like,

>> nothing came out from it either. No. >> Like I I wish they'd be a little more. transparent like, "Hey, we looked into. it. It's our bat. This, you know, but. they just cancel the fight and so. everyone now we just assume. >> something happened. >> Something happened. Somebody's being. dirty. >> Yeah, but then Hernandez fought again. and lost his next fight. >> Um, [ __ ] who did he fight? >> He fought someone on a fight night. It. was a very good fight. Very close fight. The dude was very good. >> But I'm glad they're not just pulling. the fight. >> Oh, Michael Johnson. >> It was supposed to be Michael Johnson,

but they didn't have that fight. And. then who did he fight next instead? So, let's just go over this real quick. before we figure out who he fought. amid. suspicious betting movement. So what. what is suspicious betting movement like. what if you and your boys all go [ __ ] it. I'm going all in and you just decide to. bet $100,000 on Buckley. >> Will that change it that dramatically? I. think we're talking. >> according to this I think it said that. they had certain they have I think they. have uh certain accounts that they knew.

>> oh were shady. >> Yeah. Not shady, but I mean they might. be particular whales or whatever that. are certain bers that always were. betting, you know, $200,000 a fight or. whatever and maybe one or two of them. changed. >> Two of the judges scored that fight. >> 3025. >> Abnormal betting patterns from highly. monitored accounts. >> Interesting. Highly monitored accounts. is interesting. >> Bro, you better get a new account. [laughter]. >> Better figure it out. >> They're on to you, [ __ ]. >> They also said that they called Sean.

Brady to hear at the bottom. I was going. to point out says someone called him to. let him know and he's like, "I'm fine.". >> I love it. He goes, "I'm going to beat. the [ __ ] out of this guy. What are you. talking about?" And they're like, "Yeah, you're good to go.". >> I think that's what Alexander Hernandez. said, too. >> That's a bummer. >> Yeah, it is a bummer because. >> we can also understand We can also. understand from the UFC standpoint being. like because when it happened, especially then, they're like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.". >> Oh, yeah. No, they're in a bad spot. right now with that because until that. gets resolved, the look, the fight game. has always been connected to [ __ ].

shady people. >> always. >> That's the Maron Brando movie on the. waterfront. >> I could have been a contender. Y, >> you know, I mean, it's. >> that's who he lost to. >> Oh, that's right. Hafa Garcia. Very good. fight. Very good fight. Hafa did a. phenomenal job. But I but I think too. back to the betting I think that's also. a reason why now more than ever fighters. are getting so much hate because if you. you know you have a nineto-five and you. make $1,000 a week and you put 500 on. say Hamzot Yeah. and he loses that 500.

that's why it's so toxic now because. yeah your guy's losing but now it's. costing you money. So I think that's why. fighters getting so much more hate these. days than they did even when I was. fighting. Betting wasn't a big thing. >> No I think you're absolutely right. I. think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or. Hafa? Why am I saying it wrong? >> Feel like it's Rafa. >> I think so too. I think I went Brazilian. on me. >> for a minute there. Yeah, that you made. a real good point about the betting cuz. that's why people are getting so upset. because they are betting money on it. >> It's a big problem with some people.

With some people the ability to just bet. on anything anytime you want and now. it's like. poly market and all these different. things. You could bet on you know. [ __ ] anything. Anything. >> Anything. How about that [ __ ] soldier. that got busted? >> Good move. [laughter]. >> He bet that Maduro was going to get. kidnapped. >> Dude, if you don't But my thing is, it's. like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete. Rose is betting on his team to win. This. dude was betting on his [ __ ] team to.

win. >> Don't discipline him. If you don't think. Trump's giving him a pardon, you're out. your goddamn mind. >> Well, >> that guy's awesome. >> That's a weird one. That's a weird one. Um, but I mean, why is that bad? But the. insider trading in Congress goes. unchecked. >> Oh my god. >> Like that, >> bro. >> That's crazy. Like if you get mad at. that people, what a hypocrite. >> You're also dealing with best roll. forces guy who It's not like they're. compensated that great. And he was like, "Oh, I'm going to bet the house that we. [ __ ] get this idiot, >> right?" And by the way, he's betting on.

himself because it didn't have to. happen. It didn't have to work. They. could have all got killed. >> It's like Pete Rose, too. It's like you. keep him on the Hall of Fame. I think. they're going to let him in now that he. died, but. >> Oh, great. >> Yeah. Cool. That helps. >> Thank you. But it's also like he never. bet against his team. It's pretty. gangster. >> I don't know if that's true. >> I'm pretty sure. >> I don't know. That [ __ ]. >> I read something online that he might. have bet against his team at least at. one on one game. I don't know if that's. true though. >> I'm rooting for Pete Rose. >> But I just read something. I mean, they.

might have been a Pete Rose hater. >> That's what I thought. That's what. that's what that's what I. >> mean. If he only bet for his team, I. feel like that should be legal. >> That's what I'm saying. That's like the. special forces guy. What? You're trying. to win harder? You're trying to win. harder because you want money. Yeah, that would be good. >> That special force guy like, "Dude, you're really into this." He's like, "Fuck yeah, dude. I got a million bucks. right on this.". >> No confirmed evidence has ever been. produced that Pete Rose bet against his. own team. There you go. The Cincinnati. Reds, though there's some speculation. >> All official speculation. I must have. read speculation.

Um. I mean what the [ __ ] you say person. believes Pete Rose probably bet against. the Reds at some point. John Dow said. but even he has acknowledged that his. investigation did not pro produce. conclusive proof of such bets. So if I. feel like you should be able to bet on. yourself as a fighter. I feel like you. should be able to bet on yourself as a. baseball player. Why not? >> You're just betting to win. Now betting. to lose. >> different story. >> Different story. But bet. So if you're.

just saying, >> is that because you can't tell them how. to bet? >> Like if you're gonna let them bet, they. have to be able to bet on whatever they. want. Like, man, I don't know if I'm. gonna win this fight, [laughter]. >> man. I'm not. >> I'm going to try. >> I'm going to try, but I think I might. lose. So, let me just see if I can make. a little extra money just in case I. lose. Say, I try my hardest. I lost. But. >> still made some money. >> Made some money, man. >> Yeah, that's good. That's good. It just. opens a can of worms you don't want to. deal with. Nobody's been, >> right? Because then what if you won? Like, I won. Yeah, but I lost money cuz.

I [ __ ] bet against myself like an. idiot, right? You win. >> No money this fight. [laughter]. >> You have to be a [ __ ] psycho. [laughter]. like to try to win knowing this going to. cost you money like your whole camp. paying your [ __ ] trainers, your. manager, everything. >> [ __ ] [laughter] nightmare. What's. like the the Hamzot Strickland fight? You and I right when that fight got. announced, we text each other and I. went, "Good fight. Good fight. I know. everyone's gonna, you know, Hamzot's a. big favorite, but we both went, I don't. know, man. I can see it.

>> I was I was nut riding for Strickland. the whole time. I was like, that guy is. the [ __ ] captain of the deep water. He knows how to go into deep water, man. And he knows how to survive. He can. survive. And the thing about Hamzad is. if he takes you down, he wants to hold. you down and just beat on you and not. not expend a lot of energy like he did. with Dreus. That's an issue. >> You can't do that with Shawn. Shawn is. not going to sit still. He's very hard. to hold down. He's got super underrated. grappling. Super underrated. You know, when you saw he almost threw Hamza like.

later in the fight, you know, and he did. wind up on top multiple times. Like it's. >> he ain't uh easy for anybody. Far from. it. >> And he had a blown out shoulder. Boom. That's the other thing everyone's like, well, you know, Hamza was compromised. cuz the weight cut. It's like, well, hold on. Sean had one arm. >> Sean had one [ __ ] arm. And when he. did throw that right hand in that second. round, he wobbled. Hamzot. No one wants. to talk about that. The most significant. punch was in the second round. >> Yeah. >> He flash knocks out Hamza and Hamza's. like, "Oh.". >> And he probably [ __ ] jolted his.

shoulder with pain. Still defended. >> Noticed he was doing this at the. beginning of the fight. He before the. fight started, he was doing this with. his arm. So, he's warming up. He's doing. this, but he kept doing this with his. right arm. I'm like, "Ooh, that's what I. do if my shoulders hurt to see how hurt. it is. How's it feel? >> Feel the range.". >> Yeah. How's it feel? And he was only. going to here. He was only going to. here. He kept doing but dead pan killer. look on his face. >> That [ __ ] still won. >> Yeah. >> Here's my thing about. >> still fought where a lot of guys would. have pulled out. A lot of guys would.

have said, "I can't use my arm. I'm. pulling out.". >> Especially for that magnitude of a. fight. I think with Strickland, too, now. that he won, people are like, "Oh, is he. a Hall of Famer?" 1,000%. >> 100% he's a Hall of Famer. My thing with. Strickland, too, it's like he's going to. be a bigger star now more than ever. I. think that fight is the one that put him. even bigger. The thing about Strickland. is he's the guy that's not supposed to. be here. Like everyone when we talk. about, you know, Cheschnian or. Dystanians or wherever these war tone.

countries are from and they're like this. is the only way they made it out. Dude, Strickland was grew up a poor white kid. in America. Disenfranchised. Dude had a. abusive father. The odds are so against. Strickland. So against Strickland. And. this [ __ ] beat arguably the best. striker in the middleweight division of. all time when Izzy Adosana beat him at. striking at [ __ ] striking in. Australia. And then they give him. arguably the best grappler of all time. middleweight division and he beats him.

So he we're all all of you listening all. you guys are closer to Sean Strickland. than you are to LeBron James or Patrick. Mahomes. He's just a tough white kid who. trains his ass off. He's a bluecollar. guy. He doesn't run a 40 and a 44. He. doesn't have a 40-inch vertical. He he. he. >> got one bad leg. He He from a motorcycle. accident that almost ruined his whole. career. >> Dude, I get chills talking about, dude. He He's a He's the guy. He's that blue. collar guy through hard [ __ ] work. Is. a Hall of Famer, bonafide hall of famer,

and beat two of the greatest. middleweights of all time and was under. and in all his fights. He's an underdog. Fluffy underdog. DDP underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won that first. fight. Uh Hamza under massive underdog. Izzy, massive underdog. >> Second fight with with DDP, he [ __ ]. his shoulder up, too. Driving a dirt. bike like a [ __ ] psychopath. >> Crazy. >> Crashed his dirt bike, [ __ ] his. shoulder up, and they told him you had a. fight. So, you had to take the fight. So, you had to take the fight with a. [ __ ] up shoulder. And if one of the. things you notice about when he's.

throwing right hands, in particular, in. this fight, I noticed it was they were. awkward sometimes. Sometimes they just. looked weird, like he was trying not to. use his shoulder or something. You. compromised. Yes, 100%. And I saw some. of that in the second Strickland second. DDP fight, you know, where it looked. like he was kind of throwing his punches. weird, you know, which sometimes he does. anyway because he goes around the guard. It's strategic. He's throwing [ __ ] that. you you're not going to block correctly. and then he's going to land you clean.

shots. But when you see him when there's. nothing wrong with him, like he had this. giant break. >> cuz he punched somebody in and some. [ __ ] low-level promotion, right? cage. money. So [laughter]. >> yeah, >> they gave a wild. >> He's a wild boy. So they gave him like a. 8 month suspension, something like that. Six month suspension, whatever it was. Um, so you see him against Hernandez. where he's perfect. And he looks [ __ ]. phenomenal. His striking looked phenomenal.

Everything looked phenomenal. And I'm. like, "Oh god, he looks like a better. version of the guy who beat Izzy. He. looked better. >> Best we've ever seen." And then he beats. Hamza with one shoulder. This episode is. brought to you by Ketone IQ. I don't. care who you are. Performance is mental. I talk for a living, so I'm always. looking for a way to stay sharp. Ketone. IQ is one of the few things that. actually feels like a gamecher. It came. out of a $6 million US military research. program on human performance. It's a.

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>> You be careful with journalists. I I'll. listen to former fighters in this or. people that have been around the game a. long long time. If you have Hamzot. winning, yeah, okay, nobody was robbed, but I can give you a pretty good. argument why Strickland won that fight. You know, I can give you a damn good. argument. I think he won the fight. It. was like I was talking to him inside the. octagon before the fight. I said, "What. do you think?" And I said, "It was. really close. It was really close. because you really never know with. judging. You know, we've both seen. fights where we were sure that one guy. won and the other guy gets it from the. judge. So, you don't know. So, you know,

in my opinion, I would have to go over. and watch it again because when I call. fights, I'm just calling them. >> I'm not really scoring them. >> Super tough. >> It's weird cuz like what you're trying. to do is make. some entertainment out of moments and. put some weight to it and express maybe. to people that don't know exactly what's. going on. >> You're also listening to your other. >> partners in the booth. >> Right. Well, DC's great at that. DC is. the best at explaining [ __ ] to people.

that don't know what's going on when it. comes to like wrestling in particular. because he's such a elite wrestler and. there was a lot that was a lot of. wrestling moments in that. So like. that's what you're doing. So you're not. really judging the fight. If you're. judging, you'd be silent. Like Eddie. Bravo used to judge fights unofficially. for the UFC in the early days. And what. Eddie would do was he would write he. would have a piece of paper and draw a. line down the middle for each guy. And. then he would have categories. Strikes. L, kicks landed, punches landed, takedown, submission attempts. He would. he would mark all these different. things. Like every time something would.

happen, he would mark it down. And then. he would also go by who landed the most. damage. And he was really good at it. like he was very accurate in terms of. like I never disagreed with him. I was. like that makes sense. >> But if your intention is to score the. fight, like you don't have to be. entertaining and do the commentating. I. can do that. It's like I do commentate. for a game bread and there's a fight of. the night. >> and Jimmy Smith is going who who do you. think won? I said, "Dude, this isn't the. time to ask because I was entertained by. the fight. We're doing our thing.". >> Right. Right. Right.

>> I go home and watch. I'll let you know. exactly who won. It's such a close. fight. I don't know, dude. >> Especially wars. especially a crazy war. It's so hard to figure out who won some. some wars like like let's you know think. of like what if Tyra and um Joshua Van. had made it to the end. >> That's a tough one. >> That's a tough one. I mean Joshua Van. definitely did more damage 100%. >> Which is number one thing they are. supposed to judge it on. >> So I would judge that in favor like. because we had a conversation about the.

Gomez fight. Uh who was Gomez fighting? Um, uh, Pat Sabatini. So Pat Sabatini was. fighting Gomez and all Pat Sabatini did. was clinch him and try to take him down. Took him down a couple times, but when. they were standing up, Gomez, Pat landed. a few strikes definitely. It wasn't like. he was completely outclassed on the. feet, but Gomez landed more. So I'm. like, okay, I know Pat spent the. majority of the fight in control, the. majority of fight clinching, the. majority of fight working towards the.

takedown, but many fights, >> but it was unsuccessful for the most. part. Gomez bounced back up to his feet. every time. Never took any damage on the. ground. Never got close to being. submitted. And then when they stood up, Gomez was the one who was going after. him, landing strikes. I don't know if it. was enough to win though because it's. like there wasn't a lot of damage. It. wasn't like he hit Pat and Pat got. rocked and Pat went down and there was. none of that. But Gomez was doing better. in the standup, which when it comes to. damage, that was the only damage of the. fight. >> But but the other thing you got to take.

in consideration, it's like I love DC. He's one of my favorites, but DC has an. extensive wrestling background. So, he's. usually going to, not that he means to, but because he has such an extensive. wrestling background. Uh, if you listen. to Kamar Usman, Henry Cejudo, most of. them will score that fight for Hamzot. because of the wrestling involved. But. if you talk to someone else who doesn't. have a wrestling background or it's more. of a striking background, most of them. score it for Strickland. So, you always. got to I take it with a little bit of. grain of salt when those guys heavy.

wrestlers if there's wrestling but they. they weren't successful like takedowns. were successful they're like that's a. takedown like but he didn't do [ __ ] with. it though. >> There's also the Strickland factor. There's a lot of people that he rubs the. wrong way and they don't want him to win. because of the wild [ __ ] that he says. off stage. >> Listen, sometimes he goes too far. He. said he went too far. He apologized for. going too far but god damn did he sell. some tickets? I like what you said. though. You said, "Don't apologize. You're selling a fight.". >> Yeah. >> That's my thing, too. It's like, whoa,

no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize. for any of that. Because. >> on Monday, I was so excited to get in. studio. I was so excited. I felt like. for the first time in a long time, the. UFC's back. >> I felt back, man. It's like, >> you really think the UFC's gone away? >> No, no, no. I'm not saying that. Don't. get to it. I'm saying as far as like uh. Connor Khabib like bad blood. couldn't wait. Like I dude I was count I. was tech day before I'm dude I can't. [ __ ] wait. I it it was like I was so.

hyped for this [ __ ] fight dude. It. just felt like you know those those. Connor Day Kabib days those are over. But this one the magnitude of it and I. usually can tell when a fight's going to. be really big cuz I'm always at baseball. fields and football fields and dads will. come like dude you think Strickland has. a chance? I'm like, "You watch. Fighting?" I'm like, "Oh shit." I was. like, "This can be huge, dude. [laughter] This can be [ __ ] big, dude.". >> It was huge. And it was huge because of. the way Sean sold it. 100%. Not just. that Shawn has a ton of fans, for sure,

you know, but it was the way he sold it, the chaos. People love it. They love. that. And especially casuals, they love. the chaos. >> I love it, too. >> It's fun. He makes things fun. Makes. things fun. >> And then people get so mad. you know, some of the stuff he says, but it's like. there's a lane for that. Hate to tell. you, there's a lane for that. And I I I. think Strickland, you you've been around. Strickland. He's a good person. He has. some crazy thoughts and stuff like that,

which is fine. But remember, too, people. go, UFC doesn't have stars. And then you. get a kid like Strickland who's building. his name. It's going to be the most. watched fight, one of the third most. watched Wayanes of all time. So, he's. trying to be a star. So, you guys are. complaining there's no stars. And then. when he's doing the damn thing, you guys. are hating on him, you know? So it's. like pick pick your poison. >> Well, they're hating by the way he's. doing it, right? That he's making things. super personal and but this is what. Connor did. I mean, that's what Connor. did with Kabib. Connor crossed the line.

many times with Kabib. >> Oh, buddy. The line's here. Conor was. all the way over here. >> And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that was the brawl afterwards. where Kabib, you know, jumped in the. crowd and [ __ ] up Dylan. >> Dan. That was my favorite. That's my. favorite picture of all time. I need it. frame my [snorts] [ __ ] stew. When. Kabib's literally flying off the [ __ ]. cage about to [ __ ]. >> But remember before that fight in the. fight, Kabib was all professional. He. was all good. As soon as that. [ __ ] ended, he's like, "Now it's. time to get to work." Yeah, dude. That.

is a crazy [ __ ] world champion. just got done stopping Conor McGregor. and he's leaping into the [ __ ] crowd. just like his nickname. >> and super the eagle. >> Yeah, the eagle. [laughter] His talons. are [ __ ] out. >> I mean, you couldn't come up with a. better nickname for that dude. You know. how Dan Henderson has that flying punch. that he landed on Bising when Bising was. down? That's like his logo. That should. be Kabib's logo. >> 100%. with like wings on it like.

[laughter] a flying eagle. >> He was a [ __ ] animal, >> dude. That was amazing. >> I love that guy. >> I love him. >> Oh, we, you know, we appreciated him. while he was here, but maybe not enough. >> But, but with with Hamzlat, too, I also. think couple of factors that went. against him uh on Saturday night. He's. been in big fights, but he hasn't been. in this big of a fight defending the. middleweight title. You have this. >> wild boy talking so much [ __ ] So, I I. just I I don't think he's dealt with.

that kind of pressure at that level. And. then also, Hamzot's always kind of had a. cardio issue because remember when I. went to his camp, I called you. I'm. like, "Bro, I've never seen someone so. [ __ ] I'm talking vicious, [ __ ]. everybody up, destroying them." I was. like, "Oh my god." So, there there's an. issue with him and I don't know what it. is where that's not translating inside. the octagon. Well, I can tell you right. now, first of all, first part of the. issue is the weight cut.

>> He cut 100%, dude. He cut 22 kilos. Listen to me. They He cut 40 something. pounds. They were making it so that he. was going to fight Yuri Proas. >> at 205, >> right? So, he starts bulking up and he's. eating like a [ __ ] animal and he's. deadlifting and doing all kinds of. crazy. He. >> said he was 230. I think. >> he was above that. Yeah. Yeah. He was. somewhere north of 230. And so then he's. 230, whatever. And so then he's got to. drop down to 85, which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets.

eaten away. Yeah. >> Your body deteriorates. You can't. recover. And he had a bad breakdown in. the middle of the uh weight cut. >> I heard it was horrible. You hear his. brother today was like we thought his. body was going to shut down. >> Yeah. So they took an hour off weight. cutting and then they went back and he. only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that. point, which is what is that? Was that. like five pounds? No, no, I mean two. pounds. Two and a half pounds. That's. >> right. Two and a half. >> What is it? It's 2.2. Okay. So,

>> he was 230. >> That's a lot though. Dying. You got to. lose 2 lbs of water. >> Oh, it's a nightmare. >> Two 16oz bottles of water. >> But when he was, let's say, 230 or maybe. 235. How many weeks out was that? Do we. know? >> I don't know. Because because when. Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, "Hey, forget this Yuri fight. You're. fighting at 85. It's a few months. >> It's [snorts] a few months, but when you. have muscle and not fat, it is a. problem. It's a real problem. It's not. the same problem. So, if you get big.

like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, there's a lot of videos. of him training where he's got almost. like a belly. He's heavy. He makes fun. of himself. He's fat. >> That's a different fat. That's different. to lose. You can lose that. You can lose. that. That's not a problem to lose. When. you're bulked up, your body has decided. that now you're 230 pounds and you're. still working out all the time. So, your. body's using those muscles all the time. So, if you want those muscles to shrink, they literally have to eat themselves. >> Yeah. >> So, you have to [ __ ] starve yourself.

>> or you do a radical dehydration which. brings you to the brink of death. >> And it seems like that's what he did. >> Probably a factor. I But my favorite. >> giant factor, dude. >> It's a factor for sure. There there's. also a factor, but it's not like in the. DDP fight and these other fights, not. like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys. >> Well, the DDP fight was uh just him in. control. It was just him grappling him. in control. No intent to finish. That's.

my issue with him. >> True. He just wanted to secure the win. and he's here. >> Well, it could be. It could be. And that. also plays a factor when you're dealing. with a guy like Shawn who's so durable. and has such great cardio and can take. the fight into deep deep waters and. always does. >> Yeah. >> He always he's always going after you in. the final round. Like the final round. with Izzy when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy. Come on. >> He looks better. He gets better as that. fight goes on. >> Yeah. And Izzy had noticeably faded by. that final round. Part of that because. of the beating that he took in the.

first. Correct. Right. I mean, he got. >> dropped too. >> Super close to stopped. probably. concussed in the first, you know? I. mean, that [ __ ] straight punch that. he landed where he spun Izzy's head. around and then hit him with how many. [ __ ] left hands in a row, >> 15, 20 left hands in a row. I mean, let's count them. Let's watch that and. count them cuz it's crazy. He just bang. bang bang bang. If you think you're. going to go and just fight normal after. that, you're concussed. >> You're compromised. >> Probably you have a concussion.

>> Yes. Just by the way he went down. His. head spun around. It was a It was a. right hand, right? Wasn't a right hand. It. >> was a right hand. Yeah. And it's. >> picture perfect right hand. >> Picture perfect straight right. I mean, it was picture perfect. And you don't. get a cleaner, better right hand and. then blasts him with all those punches. in the clinch. You're gone after that. You're you're a shell of yourself. >> You're gone. I I think my thing with. Hamzad too is after again you you could. chock it up to the weight cut that.

second round when he doesn't land that. taked down and falls to his back. I'm. like, "Oh, he's cooked.". >> Dude, I think we're 6 minutes into the. [ __ ] fight and you're body was. shutting down and he realized that he. went real hard in the first round but. doesn't have the gas tank and said, "Let. me coast. I can survive on the bottom. here, but I need to catch my breath if. I'm going to try to finish this guy." It. might have been a strategy. >> and he got better that third, fourth, fifth round, >> right? Because the strategy might have. been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big. like he tries for a takedown, can't get. it. He realized like, oh Jesus, I'm not. going to be able to fight standing up. like this for 5 minutes after that first.

round because his body almost shut down. 24 hours ago. 24 hours ago. >> It is the dumbest [ __ ] thing we do in. the sport where we allow these people to. pretend that they weigh a certain way. >> You you you pretend you you Oh, it's a. 185 pound fight. The [ __ ] it is. Yeah, both either one of those guys 100%. >> Strickland is actually a bigger guy than. him. >> Strickland's a big boy. >> Strickland that night in the cage is a. bigger dude. >> Well, he definitely looked healthier, right? And I think part of that you.

could attribute to the fact that Hamzad. is killing himself. >> Well, what Hamzad say to Dana as soon as. you jump out of the cage goes, I'm done. fighting here. I'm going to 205. >> But apparently now all he's talking. about is a rematch. >> Back on. It's back on. So my you know so. what he's got to do. >> love to hear. >> is he has got to limit his calorie. intake and he's got to literally burn. the muscle off. He can't just keep. dehydrating himself like that. So you. would have to talk to someone who's an. expert at that. But my friend Cam Haynes.

when he runs these ultramarathons what. he does is he gets himself down to like. 160 lbs. And the way he does it is he. just limits his [ __ ] calories and. keeps working out the exact same way. And he looks terrible when he does it. Like he looks so tired all the time. But. it's just sheer willpower gets him down. to that weight. But that is slow running. for days. Correct. >> That's a different thing. >> We can't do that. >> Right. What he's doing is exploding and. moving quickly. And I my personal.

opinion is you have to be biologically. healthy to do that. You h you you have. to be a healthy person. You you can't. just be big, right? And you're not. healthy if you almost died a day ago. Correct. >> Because that's really what's going on. And we think these Oh, these guys can. recover. But how much do they recover? Well, they [ __ ] for sure don't. recover 100%. >> Not a hundo. >> Not 100%. >> That's why I'm excited for him at 205. Like a lot of people like, "Oh, I don't. like them." Like if it's a if the weight.

is an issue at 205, if he's 100% hamzai, I know he might be a little undersized, but 100% hamzai could be a lot better. than a 70%. >> That's great. Strictly ain't going to do. it. He's going to You didn't [ __ ]. make the weight the first time. He's. going to he's going to talk mad [ __ ]. >> It'll be fun. He's a [ __ ] coward. I. beat him with one arm. It's going to get. crazy. You got to fight him at. middleweight, but he's got to go to some. expert in losing weight. >> Oh, no. I'm not saying Strickland Hamz. at 205. That No, no. Strickland No,

Strickland's going to No, no, Strickland's going to stay at [ __ ] 85. and dominate. No, Hamzot he's he's going. to do that rematch and then that's it. He's a 205. >> Well, I think he's or to your point, he. has to maintain a weight that's. realistic when still perform, but he has. to figure that out. >> He's got to stop lifting weights, right? So, whatever he was doing that got him. up to 230 lbs or whatever, whatever he. was, we're guessing, right? That's what. I had heard that he was north north of. 230. >> Whatever he was doing, he's got to not. do that. And he's got to do mad cardio.

Just just cardio, like working out, like. wrestling, hitting a bag, hitting pads, and cardio. >> I'm a big uh proponent of do do your. sport. Get your cardio from your sport. Like I see it across the board. Like I I. get a little a little hesitant when I. saw all these videos of Hamzot, you. know, hitting the the tire with the. hammer and doing all these runs. I'm. like, "Yeah, but I' I'd rather you get. your cardio from actually wrestling.

against top level guys and [ __ ] get. after it, dude. Cuz what's Strickland. do? >> Do you see Strickland doing all this. heart rate monitor?" No. What's Why is. his cardio so good? Cuz he [ __ ] spars. like a madman all the time. So, the. Strickland you see in that training camp. is the exact same [ __ ] you see. in the octagon. There's no issues. Meanwhile, you got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints and do all I'd. rather you get your cardio in uh in your. actual sport. I see it at the the lower. level, too. Uh with with kids, I coach. football, baseball. These dads like, I.

don't get it, man. I'm doing the foot. ladder drill with my son five days a. week. Can't catch football. I'm like, cuz cuz there we're not trying to see. who has the best foot ladder [ __ ] who. can do it the fastest. We're catching. footballs, dude. Do you think. >> footballs if you want to get better at. football? >> 100%. But do you think that some of that. stuff has a purpose? >> Yes. But not not close to the fight. >> Interesting. >> You because usually what we would do is. out like uh let's say you do have 8week. camp. Before the camp starts, we're. doing a lot of that stuff. >> and then once we get a camp, the focus.

was the cardio was getting it in in your. training. >> Mhm. Um you know who agrees with you? Al. Jermaine Sterling. Al Jermaine talked. about this. >> He's pretty good. [laughter]. >> Pretty [ __ ] good. How how good did he. look against all. >> dude? Best back control in the game. >> So I and I don't why is he so. underrated? I don't get it. Why he. doesn't get his. >> pure? >> It's [ __ ] crazy. >> It's the way the v the victory where he. had an injury from an illegal shot and. people hated on him from then on out. >> Think how good he did against evil.

>> I know. He's amazing. >> That was a [ __ ] split decision. Some. people thought he won. >> Yeah. Yeah. He could have easily won. that. >> That [ __ ] is so good. >> Yeah. Algam means the man. Yes. Um, but. he said that Morab does the same thing. Now, who the [ __ ] has better cardio than. Morab? I would say nobody. Nobody alive. >> ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe. that guy that broke the [ __ ] whatever. is 4-minute mile or something. [laughter] But as far as what? >> Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. He's not getting punched in the face. >> People should just go to Rob's camp like. what are you doing? He's like, I'm.

wrestling. I'm [ __ ] wrestling. >> He does run. He does run and he does. lift some weights every now and then, but he doesn't do any of that crazy. garage stuff. And one of the guys that. spoke out against the garage stuff was. Cub Swanson. I shouldn't say spoke out. against it, but what he did say was that. when he did that, cuz he did some of. that training lab stuff, he said he was. too broken down. He said he was. overtrained and he said he was just too. tired when he was going into like fight. camp. Like we it's doing all the other. stuff, too. You're you're still boxing.

You're still kickboxing. you're still. wrestling. And he said he did badly in. those fights, which is interesting. because, you know, the Marvin Marinovich. approach was very different with BJ. Penn. And that was the best BJ Penn. ever. The best BJ Pen ever, but they. literally did no fight training. What. they did is all plyometrics and it's. different from the stuff the training. lab stuff's doing because the training. lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and. all this different because that's what. Sam Calvita came from. Correct. came.

from a cycling background. What Marv was. having was all plyometric stuff and just. build this [ __ ] insane machine. He's. like, BJ, you already know how to fight. >> Fact. You're not going to get better at. fighting in 8 weeks, right? Fact. But. what we can do is give you an. unstoppable gas tank. And one of the. things that always [ __ ] BJ up earlier. in his career is that he wasn't when he. was training himself or when he had, you. know, wasn't. >> him and his brother. >> Yeah. It wasn't the most disciplined. He. was phenomenally talented and.

>> freak. >> freak. And one of the things won the. world the mundial at three years in to. jiu-jitsu as a black like nobody does. that. >> That's why he's almost a bad example. You know what I'm saying? It's like. Yeah. >> Right. But what he the problem with. really talented people and I'm sure. you'd probably agree with me, they tend. to not work as hard. >> Yeah. >> Right. Like Sean, although he's a world. champion, he's not a guy where you see. like, oh my god, he is so talented. Like. what he does is like no one can move. that way. No one can do what he does.

Like you know, there's certain guys that. are like that. >> Sean stuff is hard work. >> Hard work. So the guys that are super. talented, it comes a little easier for. them. And sometimes they have a harder. time with the hard work because they're. not used to getting beat up. They're not. used to getting pressed. So when they. have to do this drill where you're. rotating in new sparring partners over. and you're exhausted and you when you're. doing that hell, >> they don't like that. No. >> So some guys avoid that [ __ ] They just. want to be tuning guys up.

>> Spot on. >> Yeah. And so those guys when they're. fighting a George St. Pierre or someone. of a commensurate skill level, they. might fade because that guy. >> got there in a through a different path. I mean, George, although he's a. phenomenal athlete, one of the best. wrestlers in MMA ever, and didn't even. come from a wrestling background. I. mean, George is one of the all-time. greats, there's not like one thing that. George would do that would make you. think like that guy is a freak athlete.

There's never been anybody like him like. that. >> No, far from it. To your point, far from. it. cuz I trained with George forever. and when we did they they would have us. do some stuff like I did in the NFL like. sprints and vertical and the the agility. drills like nothing nothing crazy. >> No, >> but BJ was BJ was crazy. >> BJ was crazy. >> BJ could do stuff where you're like how. the [ __ ] can you do that? BJ BJ could. jump out of a pool and and land easy, you know? Um BJ can he has. [clears throat] insane flexibility. Like. the way he moves his legs, his balance.

is nuts. There's a video of someone. trying to take him down and they have a. single and they are driving across the. cage and he's on one leg hopping with. >> zero fear of being taken down. Like. >> but to your point like BJ's that. talented, John's another one. >> Yep. >> Where it's like. >> Right. Exact. Exact perfect. >> So [ __ ] talented. >> So [ __ ] talented. And then the. difference being like John always. figured out a way to win and Jon.

if he had a bad camp for one fight, he. would come back in the next fight and. really [ __ ] put it to somebody, right? Like the Gustoson fight. >> First fights with Gustoson, he doesn't. train at all. >> I talked to Craig Jackson. He's like he. barely showed up. >> at all. >> Barely showed up in the gym. >> and then has a five round war and pulls. it out in the final two rounds. It's crazy. Gets taken down for the. first time. We see him get taken down by. Gustoson. Like, oh my god, Gustiffson. might be the man. >> And John pulls it out. So, the second.

fight comes around and John trains hard. >> [ __ ]. >> And John [ __ ] him up. I mean, [ __ ] him. up in a way like this is what would have. happened if I tried. >> Yeah. >> If I prepared the way you prepared, this. is what you get. You get a [ __ ]. beating, >> you know? And this this is the dance of. like who's the greatest of all time. And. that's why the argument in most people's. eyes is that Jon is the greatest of all. time cuz Jon was all those things. Super.

talented. And when push came to shove. and he he had to get back in into work. and get he would do it and he would pull. it off against DC. He would pull it off. >> The Stipe fight was I think that was not. Stipe. That was. >> no that that's when you like when you. talk about his resume like all right you. know. >> Stipe is the Stipe that you know ran. through the heavyweight division the. Stipe that knocked out Alistar overim. that beat Fabricio Verdun for the title. beat Francis when Francis was.

>> just crushing everybody and I think that. took a lot out of his chin that Francis. fight I really did. >> that changed him forever I think. >> because DC knocks him out right after. that and you know wasn't the biggest. punch in the world. No, >> it was a big punch, but I mean he had. taken bombs from Francis. >> Yeah. Back to John being the greatest of. all time. It's like when you look at his. resume, it's just like [ __ ] phenomenal. Youngest ever UFC champion. >> Crazy. But as far as like uh. >> other than Josh Barnett, did Josh. Barnett win it earlier?

>> No, I think John's the youngest. >> John's the youngest. Josh Barnett was. the youngest he. >> Joshua Van second now, >> right? So Josh Josh Barnett won the. heavyweight title at what, 24? >> Yep. And those boys were well it. >> didn't they strip him for steroids when. everyone was doing steroids. That is. >> it's like when WWE guys get busted. you're like oh come on. >> like [ __ ] you ain't testing everybody. You just don't like Josh. >> It's a way to get [laughter] him out. I. love Josh. It's a way to get him out. But but back to John it's like you look. at his resume. Greatest to ever do it.

Beat the very best in murderers row. >> Now now you know it's not not even. comparable to today's light heavyweight. and heavyweight. But then. >> you don't think so? >> No. >> Well, listen. When Alex at heavyweight, when Alex was the light heavyweight. champion, it's certainly comparable. Alex as the light heavyweight champ, the. Alex that beat Maggamed off, the Alex. that knocked out Yuri Prohaskca, the. Alex that starches everybody that [ __ ]. up Jamal Hill. Like that Alex Pereira. and Jon Jones in his prime would have.

been insane. That would have been. insane. >> Oh man. >> Tough to beat the wrestling of Jon. Like. John's wrestling was on a totally. different level. >> His IQ would be tough for. >> What could he do to Cheryl Gone? >> Crazy. >> I mean, he avoided the shots. >> He read him like a book. >> Bullied him. >> Bullied him. Got a hold of his neck and. like I'll take that. >> But dude, if you if you if you go back. and look at John my fighting years too, you look at that light heavyweight. division one through [ __ ] 15. Good. luck. >> That's true. >> Especially heavyweight.

>> True. >> Good [ __ ] luck. >> But at light heavyweight. Okay. So, >> not a lot of those guys are ranked in. top 10. How do you think Yuri How Well, let's let's think of Alex. How do you. think Alex would have done against. Gustiffson? >> Very tough fight for him. >> You think so? Gustoson in his prime. >> Yeah. >> You think so? >> Yeah. >> And do you think that based on the Tara. fight? Cuz he pieced up Glover. Remember. that fight? >> Yeah. >> Bro, that was a video game combination. Knocked out. >> Alex is one of those guys similar to DC. that when Jon just reigned as champ.

It's like if if Alex was just born at a. different time, maybe five years before, five years after, he's our Jon Jones. He. was so [ __ ] talented. >> Huge. 667. Great wrestling. Great world. class boxing. Good at everything, dude. Great. >> Hard in the division with the goat. >> You're [ __ ] You got [ __ ] Your mom. and dad have did decide to have sex John. and his parents did. You're [ __ ]. >> Look at what happened with Ilia Tapora. Think about the guys that he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway. Think about.

Charles Olivera. Think about Alexander. Vulcanowski. And he is blast all of them. into orbit. All three of them. First guy. ever to stop Max. It's like you you if. you're in that guy's division, what are. you going to do? Especially at 45. I. don't know what it's going to be like at. 55. Obviously, the Olivera fight was a. one punch knockout, but. >> that was such a bad knockout. >> Crazy knockout. But when you see him and. Justin next to each other, you're like, whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger. just. a big cat. >> He's quite a bit bigger.

>> That's a tough fight. >> It's It's a a different fight than. Olivivera. [laughter] It's different. But But [ __ ] then you see what. Olivivera was able to do to Max. You're. like, "Good lord." Like Olivivera is a. [ __ ] beast. >> Doing phenomenal. >> And he couldn't do none of that to Ilia. >> Yeah. The The only thing with all that. is like the the 55 division, everyone's. no one's in the prime. Like Charles is. in his prime when Ilia beat him. Justin's definitely not in his prime. Max is in his prime. They're all good. They're [ __ ] good, but not prime.

prime. And the issue is is Ilia is. >> just getting to his prime. >> Just getting to his prime. >> Surging. >> and already one of the greatest of all. time. >> It's a [ __ ] problem. >> Yeah. He's so smart and so disciplined. and so like completely focused and. dialed in. Great ated everything. >> Great everything. >> Great ated everything. And the crazy. thing is didn't even start as a striker. Started as a grappler. Now, his toughest. matchup is Armen Surukin. That's the. [ __ ] fight.

>> 100%. >> Oh, that but that's that's what I was. going to say with with Hamzot, he's not. active. I know I'm jumping around a. little bit, but with Hamzot, he I think. one of his issues with whatever's going. on inside that OG gun weight cut 100%. Clearly, there seems to be a mental. block when it comes to finishing fights. because he's worried about gassing out. RAF. Do take a game page out of [ __ ]. Surukin's book. just wrestle all the. Sukqin. I think he's wrestled like eight. times his [ __ ] year just [ __ ]. dudes up, making all the money. He makes.

six figures every time he [ __ ] somebody. up. But he's active. He's staying. active, staying in shape, competing. And. the UFC is going, "Yeah, go ahead and do. it." So for Hamzat, dude, cuz he fights. once a [ __ ] year, which is not good, dude. >> So it's like, stay active over there. Stay active like like Armasukin's doing. Keep your weight down. >> Yeah. I don't know if he's interested in. doing that. He signed with him. >> Yeah. But what was the fight that they. signed that he was gonna he was going to. wrestle somebody? Who was it? Do you. remember? >> Uh I think they want to toss him like an. Olympian, which I which is it that's.

where it gets dicey. >> Yeah. Here's my fear. There was a recent. event. There was a very weird event. I. don't know who did it, but it was uh. kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jiu-jitsu. Have you seen that? >> No. Get the [ __ ] out of my face. >> It was weird. So Glac was fighting. Uh I. apologize. I don't remember who he was. fighting. and he takes this guy down and. the guy catches, you know, he's trying. to avoid the takedown. He catches his. knee in a weird way and it blows out. [sighs]. >> So, that could happen to [ __ ]. anybody. Wrestling is a little safer.

though. >> I don't know about that cuz this was in. the wrestling exchange that he took him. down. >> Yeah, but those those guys aren't. exactly like highlevel wrestlers. True. >> You know, like like RAF has it's top. tier [ __ ] Oh, yeah. No doubt. It's so. good. >> No doubt. So good. >> Wrestlers blow their knees out all the. time. >> True. It's just a part of the craziness. of explosive movement and a guy is. coming after you and. >> it's kind of what you sign up for. So. forot it's like dude we we can't fight. [ __ ] once a year and then you have. weight issues and clearly there seems to.

be a mental block in you getting. finishes because of your cardio. Let's. do RAF. Let's get this rolling. Keeps. your weight down. Keeps you active. Also. keeps you in the limelight. Like Armen. has blown the [ __ ] up, dude. >> True. >> He's a massive star now. >> True. Um especially online. I don't know. how much that translates to the general. public. It's for dorks like us. >> Dorks like us. >> Good [ __ ] point. We are some ducks. >> Riding his nuts. [laughter]. >> He beat Giorgio twice. >> Such a good point. >> Uh is it Lance Palmer, the wrestler that.

he techalled, which is nuts. >> Nuts. Uri Faber threw over the [ __ ]. >> That was crazy. Why' you do that? What. if you both got hurt? What if you hurt. your bit of a head? >> Well, he's a psychopath. >> Yeah, >> he's a full-on psychopath. I mean, he's. rich, >> dude. He's so literally wealthy. >> Do you see him on that stream? They go, "So, like if you want to like buy a car. like $500,000 car, what do you do?" He. goes, "I just call my dad.". >> Yeah. His dad's like a billionaire. [laughter] He's got tons of money, but. >> he's not lazy at all. Like, he flies in.

the face of this like longstanding. belief that we all had that if you come. from a rich family, you can't be a great. fighter. >> Dude, he's Batman. >> It doesn't matter if he came you come. from the ghetto. He's going to [ __ ] you. up. He does not give a [ __ ]. >> Like you some [ __ ] dude's like I'm. from the FLLAS, you know? Like good. luck. >> Cool, man. >> Good luck with that [ __ ] Armenian. psychopath. >> Yeah. And he's pulling up in a Maybach. [ __ ] caviar. [laughter]. >> He pulls into LA. I watch his uh YouTube. videos. He's, you know, shows him.

training and all the different stuff. that he does. He He when he lands in LA, he goes immediately to a exotic rental. car place and rents a Lamborghini and. drives it to the training lab. >> [ __ ] not the way it's supposed to. work, but pulls it off, >> bro. Good luck with that guy. Good luck. with that guy. Don't make fun of him for. being like a Greek god. Can wrestle like. a [ __ ] elite top tier wrestler. >> and he can strike and he can submit you. Good luck. And he's angry because he. he's denied a shot at the title because. he hurt his back when he was getting.

ready to fight Ilia, >> which is the best thing that ever. happened to him. >> You would think so? Yeah, because look. how much big because he we were [ __ ]. dorks and we knew who he was, but the. general like especially online, no one. his profile's so big now. >> I think it's just with dorks. I mean, I. think. >> but those dorks the equal sponsorship. money. >> Well, here's the deal. There's only one. compelling fight. Look at the [ __ ]. build on this cat. That is not a guy. that grew up with a billionaire dad who.

could just go buy a [ __ ] Lamborghini. with his credit card if he wants to. Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still. alive. >> It's nuts. >> He has no reason to be upset. >> Well, I'll tell you what, Armenians, look at the [ __ ] Shut the [ __ ] up, man. >> Just shut up. >> Great body. >> That's ridiculous. >> Great body. >> That makes me want to just quit and eat. [ __ ] potatoes all day or. >> or get you in that [ __ ] kind of. shape. >> I'm kidding. Yeah. Or just get get. ripped. This episode is sponsored by. Better Help. We've all been there. Staying up late, stressed about the. future. Maybe you're worried about.

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That's better. H ELP.comjre. But it's like he's the compelling. matchup for Ilia. If Ilia gets past. Justin, if Justin beats Ilia, it is not. only one of the greatest upsets of all. time, it is one of the greatest caps to. a career of all time. Like if he all. through what he's been through, wins the. interim title, wins the BMF title. If he. does that and caps his career off, you. go, "Fuck yeah, dude. Way to go out,

>> brother. If he beats Ilia Turret at UFC. Freedom 250 in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American that gets the. belt. It's bigger. It's It's beyond just. MMA UFC. Miracle on ice. [ __ ] off. This. is m Imagine the headlines, dude. >> Yes. >> And if he beats that guy, >> bro, >> in his prime who's knocking everyone. into the shadow realm, he says to. Charles Olivivera, "I'm sorry, it has to. be you.". has a celebration party the night before.

the fight. >> At a party. >> At a party. >> He was drinking wine and [ __ ]. >> No, he wasn't. Was he? >> Was he? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's. drinking wine. >> No, I think it was water. >> No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. [laughter]. Imagine that [ __ ] psychopath. He get. starch. >> Yeah. And he's got that beautiful. [ __ ] Spanish accent. >> Yeah, dude. Just checks all boxes. >> Checks all the boxes. >> It's such a tough fight for Justin, but. I'm rooting for I love both of them. But. just for the sheer fact of again I like. chaos in at that in front of the weird. elites watching the fight. You don't.

know what the [ __ ] going on. It's. gonna be great if Justin pulls it off. >> Yeah, if Justin pulls it off it'll be. one of the greatest upsets of all time. One of the greatest victories of all. time. And if he does just retire. Tapora. plans to celebrate before the gate clash. at the White House. Of course he's going. to celebrate. >> Whatever he's doing, >> that's his move. Whatever he does, >> he's doing it again. >> Massive celebration dinner the night. before his lightweight belt. on it. >> We're going to celebrate before the. fight. Actually, we have everything. organized. My team is already taking. care of that. [laughter]. >> That's a mind [ __ ] and a half when.

you're in your hotel room, >> you know, and you're just [ __ ]. scrolling on Instagram thinking about 24. hours from now you're going to be. fighting and you're like, "What's what's. this [ __ ] doing?" Oh, he's [ __ ]. standing on top of a table dancing. >> That's how [laughter] that's how sure he. is. He's going to beat the [ __ ] out of. you. >> He's eating spaghetti and [ __ ] doing. a salsa dance. Like what the [ __ ] are. you talking about, man? >> Yeah. And when did you see when all the. fighters are at the White House, Trump's. like, "I thought you liked this guy.". You know, you're like, "Oh, fuck.". >> Because why would you give your friend. his toughest test?

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, for Gachi, that's the last. fight. I mean, if this is really going. to be his last fight, that is the last. fight. And. >> it's smart. >> It's smart because that that that Patty. fight is, you know, entertaining fight. for the Casuals, but as far as technical. wise, it it was so sloppy, man. It was. just so sloppy. Well, Justin told me. that that's what he wanted to do, >> which he should do. >> He just wanted to just go, "Fuck you.". And just come at him and just throw. caution to the wind and just almost. fight like he did like back in the PFL. days,

>> World Series of Fighting. >> That's what it was, right? >> Yeah, that's right. >> That's exactly what he should be doing. And that's exactly what he should have. done. And then for Patty, it was it was. a sloppy fight, but he got the job done. But you can tell like and it's all good. This isn't a knock on Justin. All the. years, all the wars, one of the greatest. careers we've ever seen. It catches up. with you. >> 100%. It has to. >> And now here's Ilia Taporia. >> But again, I I bet Justin wouldn't have. it any other way. You have an. opportunity to pull off one of the. biggest, if not the biggest upset we've.

ever seen. And Trevor Whitman [ __ ]. White House. >> The um Justin has an awesome series, uh. the Art of Violence, I think it's. called. >> It's on, uh YouTube, and it's all. talking about him preparing. It's all. videos of him training. And Trevor. Whitman's in it. And Trevor was saying, "We love being the underdog. We love. it." and he talked about being the. underdog with Rose Namayunes when she. beat um uh Yawan Yo Jek when she beat. Yang Lee. Same thing like that they love. being the underdog in those situations. like stopping way Lee was nuts.

>> Crazy. >> You know that she was the underdog head. kicks her. >> Yep. >> Crazy. >> And that. >> this is a little different but I hear. you. >> It is different. >> But it is it's similar in ways the Jeang. Lee is because Jean Lee is [ __ ]. everybody. >> Scary. There's no one like her. The. physicality of her at straw weight, she. was a [ __ ] monster. Like, her. training was bananas. >> Crazy. >> I'd watch her training, I'd go, "Good. lord, >> who's going to beat her? >> She's like her shoulders and shit.". >> But the way she trains, she trains like. a dude. Yeah.

>> Like an angry dude. You know what I. mean? Like women. >> haircut to show. >> And it's not a knock on the way women. train. Not I'm not saying that. I'm. saying like the ferocity was like she's. FILLED WITH TESTOSTERONE. >> [screaming]. >> HOT. LIKE SHE'S trying to kill somebody. >> Probably is, Joe. >> She might [laughter] be. It might be. natural. It might have slipped something into her. noodles. [snorts]. [laughter]. >> Do you see that one fighter who got. busted? And she goes, "Oh man, I was I.

was I took my husband's vitamins and. just have me steroids.". >> Yeah, my husband. She threw her husband. under the bus for taking steroids. >> You [ __ ] up. >> Is he an active fighter? >> I don't I don't think so. Is he J? No, he's probably just some meatthead. He's. like, "Yeah, I guess this works." Yeah, me too. Cuz if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, "What? >> What the [ __ ] Now we're both fucked.". >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Say somebody gave you the wrong thing. >> Yeah. >> But back to and uh and Rose, the the. difference with that is Rose was still. pretty inner prime there, >> you know. >> Yes. 100%. That's That's a good point.

That's a good point. Real good point. Um. Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he. didn't look like he lost a step in the. Patty Pimpblelet fight. He looked like. he just was just being an animal. And. Pimble's [ __ ] good, man. You see what. Pimblelet did to Bobby Green? And. granted, Bobby Green's not quite at the. same level, although he looked [ __ ]. sensational. >> He looked good. >> against Jeremy Stevens. >> He keeps doing the damn thing. >> But also, that style is so fun. Talking. [ __ ] pointing at you. >> Fun, man. >> So fun. One of my faves. So fun. How. about at the end of the fight when I'm.

interviewing him, he's like, "Come walk. with me." And he takes me over to D. Yo, Dana. >> Yeah. He wants that bonus. They've never. given bonus. He was just talking about. how he's one of the most exciting. fighters that's ever done it. >> Yeah, he's awesome. I'm like, "Everybody. knows that." He's like, "Well, I didn't. get my [ __ ] bonus.". >> Yeah, but I'm I'm kind of with Dana on. the bonus. Dana goes, "Well, we do it.". Also, your strength of SK your opponent. like. >> Zel Huber was good, dude. He beat Zel. Huber in his last fight and stopped him. That was he should have got a That's.

what he was talking about. >> Well, but for this last fight, for his. last fight, you know, he fought Jeremy. Stevens. great fight, great fighter, but. you know, compared to like the other. guys on the card, it's that's why. Danny's like, "Well, >> well, he was complaining about not. getting a bonus in his last fight. That's why he wanted a bonus in this. fight." He was saying the Cuz I even. asked him, I go, "You didn't get a bonus. for his Zel Huber fight.". >> He got 25K, right? Cuz I didn't they if. you get a finish, no matter what you. get, but he wanted the big boy bonus. >> The big boy bonus. Yeah. I'd hate I hate.

all of it. I hate people that have to. ask for bonuses. You know, look, the. money is there, right? We know the. money's there. Like, they This is a $7. billion deal. I'm not a businessman. I'll say that right now. If I was. running the UFC, the stockholders, they. would [ __ ] kick me out. The. shareholders would have me fired. >> I wouldn't You don't want affliction. Yeah. You don't want that. >> You don't want me running no the UFC. because I treat it like I was a. communist. >> I'm also Yeah, me too. I'm also a little. more careful the way I talk about it, too, because I don't know their books. I.

don't know how to run a giant company. like that. I assume with $7.7 billion, I'm like, man, I feel like we could give. some over here. But then if you talk to. somebody in the know, they're like, "Oh, do you?" Well, look at this. [ __ ] I'm like, "Oh, my bad. My. bad.". >> Now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but it was reported that he made $67. million last year. >> They worked very hard. >> I'm sure he did. But that was from the. UFC, from TKO, right? That was his. payout. And he he's got a bunch of other. things going on. He's a very successful. guy. But is he the reason they sold for.

$7.7 billion? >> He's a big part of it. 100%. And the big. and also he took the big chance in. purchasing it for $2 billion which was a. big deal. >> You know the whole thing is like this is. why you're in business. >> Um I think fighting is different than. any other business. And the reason why I. say this and you could speak to this. more than anybody. You are putting your. health on the line in a way that is not. required in any other business other. than maybe football and boxing and.

kickboxing. You're putting your health. on the line in a way that's different. than any other business. You are the. only thing that people are tuning in. for. There's without the fighters, there. is no UFC. It doesn't exist. Correct. It. is the entire product, the the thing. you're selling is entirely fighters. And. it's fighters that operate for a short. window of their prime. They have 10. years or whatever they have. And and. when they get out, you know, we've all.

talked about guys that are mumbling now. You can't understand what the [ __ ] they. say. You see like ticks that they have. and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems. It's real. So I don't. think we should think of it like any. other business because the entire. business model is these guys bodies and. the consequence is their health and it's. for the rest of their life. And so if. you're doing something that is is is. generating a significant amount of money.

for a very short amount of time I think. you should get a lot of money for that. if you are one of those people. the. amount of money that is left over for. the other people, the people that are. making the money that put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first. place. But I don't think the balance is. correct. Now, I am biased, right? Because again, I'm not a businessman, but I have a deep empathy for people who. put themselves in front of harm and and.

try to chase that glory for our. entertainment, for the sport that we. love. And I I think they should be. compensated more. >> Yeah. I I don't I don't think you're I. mean, obviously, we're biased because we. love fighters and I was a fighter. It. It's not even about being biased. It's. It's just. >> fairness. It's fairness. It's fairness. in the marketplace. [snorts] And. >> well, the thing is. >> it it's such a dicey thing. And and I. know people hate when I bring up fighter. talk, and I get sick of it, too, because.

I don't know what you can really do. because I simple. Well, I go, "Is it. though?" Because here's the thing. People will go, "Okay, they made 7.7. billion. Here's here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on." But it's. like if the UFC is the only the only. sports combat sports promotion to ever. make money ever, >> right? >> Nobody else has ever done it better or. made profit. So, my thing is like, is.

this is this what it is this just what. it is? And I know some people are like, "You're such an idiot. They have this. leftover money." I I hear you. But I'm. saying there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction, World Series there. We can. go through the list. One championship. None of them are around somewhere in. like their last leg. No one's ever been. able to sustain it. So all I'm And I'm. not saying we don't deserve more [ __ ]. money. All I'm saying is, is this just. how it goes in the fight business? I. don't know. I'm not businessman. I know. people are yelling right now, you're.

[ __ ] it. I'm just saying. [clears throat]. is is is fighting different where hey. man that's just it's not the NFL. It's. not the NBA. It's not MLB. In order for. us to continue this rise, this is what. it is. It's 18% to the fighters. >> I I don't know, Joe. >> Okay. Well, that's what I'm saying. I. don't know. >> Good points. First of all, let's just. give the UFC its flowers because without. I love the kids say that these days. Give it. >> Give flowers. Good saying. >> Have your daughter started using buns. yet? >> Oh, yeah. They use that.

>> Yeah. I just found my my my son. >> bad. Buns is bad. >> Yeah, I didn't know. I got a new truck. My son's like, "That thing's buns." I'm. like, "Is that good?". >> Saying it's ass. >> I know, but buns are always like cute. buns. >> Yeah, I know. The lady is [ __ ]. >> Yeah, we're young Jamie. >> Young Jamie. >> But what were we saying? >> Um, the UFC is the greatest organization. in combat sports history, period. There's nothing even close. The product. is so much better than any boxing. promotion. And my friends that I've. brought to the UFC that are boxing fans, like my friend Josh Dubin, he was like,

"The [ __ ] productions incredible." He. goes, "It's so much more exciting than. any boxing event. It's so much better.". That is 100% true. They've also been a. consolidated organization forever, right? I mean, it was a different owner. It was Bob Myowitz back in the day in 97. when I worked for them. But from 2021. on, so for the last 25 [ __ ] years, it's been Zufa, right? They sold Zufa. Now Zufa is s sold to Ari, Emanuel, TKO,

and. >> but the same people are running it, right? It's still Dana White. It's still. all these people behind the scenes. >> That's another conversation we have. >> Yeah. It's still Anic. It's still me and. DC and Michael Bisping and all the other. people that are doing commentary and and. you know Dominic Cruz and Paul Felder. and Laura Senko. It's still the the. team's the same. The team behind the. scenes is the same. It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show up. at the UFC, everything's so smooth. You. go in, say hi to everybody. I show my.

badge to the [ __ ] security people. I. say hi. We sit down. Everything is. smooth. We got a hit in five minutes. Okay, great. Everybody's there. The the. sound guy is on point. The camera, everything is on point. It's so easy. >> And it's like the production in the. truck is so [ __ ] good. They always. have the right angle. Gioano is always. on the case when it comes to like. getting the right angle for a submission. or getting the right angle for if I ask. for something, I got it right away. Like.

like I'll push the button, you know, let. me hear his corner. Yeah. And it's boom, they're right on it. It's they're the. best. They're the best. Yes. And you. notice that when you see other. promotions. It's like other promotions. the camera works on is good. It's like. they are good. It's the machine is so. good and it's become like the NFL. Like. I know the XFL exists. I've never even. [ __ ] heard of a game. I've never even. heard of a game player. >> No one's even brought up a game that's. going to happen. I know it's a thing. >> And the problem with casuals, that's the.

same with the PFL. Even though the PFL's. [ __ ] got really good fighters. There's really good fighters in the PFL. >> Far cry from the OC. Yeah, >> some of them are really good, man. That. cat that just knocked out Hennon Ferrar, the guy who's the um the heavyweight. that is Fedor's protege. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, the Russian cat. >> He's good, >> bro. >> He's good. >> in the UFC's [ __ ] shallow ass. heavyweight division. We could use that. guy. >> I'd like to show up at that dude's hotel. room in a [ __ ] briefcase full. [laughter] money. Like, let's go, dog.

But but yeah, my my thing with the UFC. and when you talk about the staff and. you got to give them their flowers. They're the only one that's figured it. out. They're the best. The best. organization by far and they deserve to. be rich because of that. They've made an. incredible product. >> So do the fighters though. >> I think your product is entirely. dependent on the fighters. Now this is. my position with my comedy club. So my. comedy club pays different than every. comedy club. The fighter the fighters. the comedians make most of the money. when it comes to the door. That's how it.

should be. >> But let me ask you this, Joe. It's too. much. We're like, "Dude, get the [ __ ]. out of here." But but is your is the. Mothership compared to. the Comedy Store, the improv, are you. guys crushing them? It's doing really. well. I mean, the Comedy Store is always. going to be one of the great clubs on. Earth. It It's a legendary club. It's. dependent upon who's there. The. difference between the way the Comedy. Store does it and the way we do it is. that we bring in national headliners for. the weekend. Like the weekend it might. be David Tell. This week is Tony Rock.

>> Is there another club that does that? Is. there kind of store is a little. different cuz you have your regulars. Is. there another club that does that? >> Sure. Most clubs do that for the. weekends, but the thing is they don't. have the same lineup for the weekdays. The weekdays we've got Shane Gillis, Ron. White, Tony Hinchcliffe, Kill Tony's. there every Monday. It's a different. >> That's what I'm saying. Is there anybody. doing that? Because the comics have to. be my whole point is what however you. run your business. It's like is is the. model where you're doing it, where the. comics are making the majority of the. money, is that a sustainable business?

>> 100%. It makes money. If if if we take. if we take Joe Rogan out of it. >> and you and some dude want to start a. club and did the same thing, is that. going to be profitable? >> No, you have to have the talent. But. that's the difference. It's like the. thing with the PFL versus the UFC. You. have to have the talent, right? And the. reason why our club works is because. everything, look, it's pure luck. It's. pure luck. Everything had to line up. We. had to hit every green light. It had to. co had to happen. The comedy store had. to get shut down. All the employees from.

the comedy store had to get fired. We. had to not be able to do standup in in. LA. I had to be worried about my family. and like the the crime and the the the. riots. >> And then the co [ __ ] where everyone was. wearing a mask. I was like this is. bananas. And then moving to to Texas or. just visiting Texas, >> but you got to give yourself credit like. luck. Yes. But you were also the guy. that had the idea to do it. Most people. would pull that trigger. You didn't have. to do that. >> That is true. But it's a lot of luck. because it had to happen at the right.

time. It had to happen at a time in my. career where I had a lot of money, you. know. So it happened had to happen when. the Spotify deal took place. So I had. all this money and then it all had a. lineup where I was already the number. one podcast in the world. So I could. easily get people to come. >> because of you Joe. >> I understand. >> No, no, no. It's I'm just being honest. Like it had to line up. >> So I couldn't have done it on my own. I. had to come here and Ron White was. already here. So Ron White's a big. reason why the club I mean he was one of.

the main reasons why I moved here. >> I know. >> because I was like. >> even if I never do comedy again and I. was really wondering if we're ever going. to do comedy again. >> Ron's here. I'll hang out with Ron. We'll have laughs. >> Yeah. >> So when I moved here and then all a. sudden Tony moved here and then Tom. Seagura moved here and Brian Simpson. moved here and Assan moved here and Bri. and Derek Poston moved here and it was. like oh [ __ ] we got something cooking. and then Tim Dylan came here and then it. was like oh my god. And then Duncan. Trussell moved here. I was like, "Holy. shit.". >> Well, they're moving because you're. here, too. >> I understand. But they. >> mothership, >> right? But they had to do it before the.

mothership even opened, >> right? They all moved before the. mothership opened. Shane moved after the. mother ship opened. But they all came in. early and trusted me. Yes. >> And so I was like, "Okay, these guys, I. I owe them what they took a chance with. their future. I have to throw everything. into this and alto together we'll do it. >> Yeah. >> So it's our club. It's really our club. But it had to happen in a way where I. had this disposable money.

>> I had disposable income where I could do. it and it wouldn't hurt me and then I. could set it up in a way where the. comics make so much money. So that way. you encourage people to stay. So there's. so many people that are there all week. long during the week. They don't have to. go do shows other places. They can make. money at their home club. >> You're doing it right. I guess my. example like can the UFC do that? Cuz. because my example for you it's like can. these other comic clubs do that and. sustain and grow and have money and. >> they could in New York and they might be. able to do it in LA. So I don't think.

you could do it in LA right now because. the store is open and the store is. always going to be the premier club in. the world. It's always legendary. It's. on Sunset Strip. Even though LA's. falling apart, it's still the legendary. destination for standup comedy. It's one. of the main reasons why I was excited to. move to LA. It was Mecca. It was when I. was a an a beginner in an open micer in. 1988. They would talk about the store. like it was Mecca. Like you had to go to. the store. >> They still do though. I don't think. that's ever going away. >> Of course. It's, you know, the store.

comes and goes in cycles. Like it always. does. It always goes in cycles depending. on who's in town, who's there. It's a. very It's All comedy clubs are dependent. upon what talent is in town during the. weekdays. And if you don't bring in. talent on the weekends, >> that's the difference. It's like so the. store doesn't bring in headliners for. the weekend like the way our club does. I I told um Scott Scott Shore I was like. I think no it was Peter sorry I told. Peter Shore I was like I think you you. guys should do that. I think you should. like. >> But do they have to though? Because you.

can still go on a Saturday night and. you'll see, you know, Yes. big names. will big names. >> But you could have those people there. still as well. Like they could also do. shows with that person and you have two. other rooms and that's what you guys do. >> You have the O and you have the bell. room. You have three rooms in one. location. Like you could still have the. O filled with top talent cuz they don't. give a [ __ ] where they're performing in. the big stage or the little stage. In. fact, most of us prefer the little. stage. The O is an amazing room, >> but the thing is it's like you have to.

have enough talent in town. And a lot of. people moved out of LA. A lot of people. moved out of LA. Yeah. Joey Diaz moved. out of LA. Like a lot of people moved. out of it. Theo moved out. A lot of. people moved out. >> So the problem is you would have to have. enough talent there and then you would. have to have talent that was there all. the time like us. Like we're we're at. the club all the time. I I think and. going back to if the UFC could do this. like they're profiting so much now. there's no reason to. >> That's the that's the other issue.

>> This is the problem. >> You want to hear my idea though? >> You want to hear my idea? And you might. be [clears throat] like you're out of. your [ __ ] mind and it's and again I'm. not anti nothing. You cut my [ __ ]. wrist right now. Bubble Riley spills. out. I [ __ ] bleed UFC. I made my. entire career. >> Yeah. >> When that Paramount deal was announced. and I'm a wild boy. When that premat. deal was announced, what I would have. done is, and this and this is the issue. why things will never change. I [snorts]. would have talked to all the managers, all the fighters, and said, "We're not.

fighting another fight. They just signed. this huge deal, 7.7 million. If you guys. want to get your equal share, nobody's. agreeing to a fight bout, to a fight. card, unless we get, I don't know, someone's going to figure out 30%." So, it's 18% right now. If we go up 30%, which they're still gonna have profit, if if they agree to that, then we'll. fight. But they there's no deal if we. don't fight, right? Those days are over. now. So, you miss the mark. Now, you're. going to say, "Yeah, but they can get. other guys to do that." And I'm saying.

across the board, we all agree as. fighters, we're not going to [ __ ]. move a inch. >> If you can get fighters to agree to. that, it would work. >> That's the problem. >> It'll never happen. >> Not in a million years. >> That was my idea. Then here's the other. thought that Dana Dana White has this. thought about fighters that when they. get paid too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier. >> But. >> Oh, that's that's the other. >> Arman Saruki. >> And he's right. >> Yeah. >> And he's right. Well, there's Armen. who's Bruce Wayne, but for the most. part, he's right. Don't go through.

anybody's career. >> He's kind of right. He's kind of right, but it doesn't matter. That's on them. >> Yeah. Agree. >> That's on them. >> Yeah, that's fair. >> Yeah. I mean, he's right, but you can't. protect them for unless you have a bonus. that you're going to pay them out when. they retire, and they're not going to do. that. >> But the other thing, I think Sean Shelby. said this, uh, it might have been Mick. Manard. One of them was like, the other. issue we have is when guys get paid a. lot and then we offer them fights, we're. not getting the fights we want to make. Once once they have that goose egg, they're like, "No, I'm not fighting that. [ __ ] guy." Guy's a nightmare.

>> I know. >> But again, you can't base it off of that. because I'm I'm sure there are some guys. who will do it. >> and you [ __ ] with them. But it's not a. reason not to pay him. Listen, it's all. this is. hippie talk. But I feel like if I would. if I was if I owned the UFC, I would not. feel good if people didn't feel. compensated correctly. This is just my. feeling. And I'm not a good businessman.

If you want to be a good businessman, you got to make the most money possible. >> I don't know, Joe. You've done pretty. [ __ ] well, Bubba. >> Lot of luck. Lot of luck. >> You got to quit saying luck. You're. driving me nuts. No, but you're driving. me nuts. You work harder than anybody. else. >> Well, I work hard when I when I listen, I I stick with things and I have a good. work ethic. That is true. But. >> that's half the battle. >> Yeah. But I'm not like a businessman in. the sense of like if I was running a. business like that, I wouldn't treat it. the same way. I wouldn't say I'm trying. to make the most money possible. I would. say I got money and let's just make this.

[ __ ] the greatest thing of all. time and make everybody feel good about. it. >> Yeah. But again, I don't know the. in-n-outs. I don't know if you can run a. organization like that and be profit. I. don't know. >> Well, it' be profitable, but it wouldn't. be as profitable. And that's the thing. when you have shareholders. So, when you. have shareholders, you have an. obligation to your shareholders to. maximize your profits. >> And and and this is this is the only. knock on the UC I have is in order to. get that $7.7 billion deal, you have to. put on whatever it is, 45 fight cards a.

year, >> right? >> So, like those fight nights. So now you. don't really have the talent or the. stars to fulfill those cards. But. because you made this deal with. Paramount, now you're getting just, you. know, you're signed these contender. series kids who have three fights, four. fights where 10 years ago those boys. ain't sniffing the UFC. It was so hard. to get in. But now, because we have to. fulfill those cards, you're getting a. lower level of talent. >> Yeah. Well, here's what's interesting. So, um, one of the players in the. purchasing of the UFC, of the rights to.

the UFC, was Netflix. they were one of the players. They were. one of the people that were thinking. about doing it. Um, so there was. negotiations with them. There was. negotiations with ESPN. And ultimately. Paramount was like this wild dark horse. that came around with the big money. >> And I like Paramount. I have no issues. Yeah. Look, >> I love the. >> ads are weird, but whatever. >> I love Mob Land. I love Land Land Man. Yeah, Mob Land is [ __ ] great. You. ever watch that? >> [ __ ] yeah. >> [ __ ] yeah. Audi his RS6 in that so bad.

I was trying to convince my wife. >> I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom. Har. >> They're [ __ ] [laughter] sick. They're. so sick. >> It's a great show. Uh, but Paramount has. awesome shows. So, it makes sense. I. already had it. Great. Perfect. I love. the fact there's no pay-per-view. >> But what's interesting about Netflix not. doing it because I think Netflix didn't. want the I might be talking out of. school, but I'll just say it. I believe. what I heard take this here's a caveat. is that Netflix did not want the small. fights. They did not want fight nights.

>> Good for them. [laughter]. >> They only wanted the big ones. >> They're like, "Get that [ __ ] out of us.". >> Well, some of the fight nights are. [ __ ] awesome. >> We like them cuz we're degenerates. The. public's like, "Who the [ __ ] are these. guys?". >> Apex, there's no one [laughter] there. >> Yeah. I love that Netflix, what take the. >> I love the Apex fights. I've been. planning on going to an Apex fight card. I'm trying to find the right one just to. go and watch. I just want to Let's. [ __ ] go. I would love that. I just. want to go to watch because they'll let. you in if you come with me.

>> Yeah, >> I feel like I don't have any enemies. here anymore. I kind of stood by the. fact they didn't want the volume. [laughter]. >> That's it. That's how they say it, which. we understood from the get-go. Uh Ted. Sarandos, who I love. Um Bella Bajaria, I don't knew her. Uh we're very upfront. with that. We're looking for big events. So, the fact that you could give us one. pay-per-view, which is just we were just. going to put on the platform for free. As long as you're a subscriber, as long. as you just give us that, we're in, we'll pay premium for it, but we don't.

want to carry the other 30 fight nights. >> They say we don't want the [ __ ] But. here's the thing. >> But then where would those 30 fight. nights go? That's the question. >> Well, but then then that fulfills NFL. Bellator or you. >> Fight Pass. >> Yeah, Fight Pass could do that. >> Blow up Fight Pass. >> But to to again the business side of it, the Zufa or TKO is going, "Well, hold. on. The reason we get such a big nut, 7.7 billion, cuz we offer so much. content. You guys are trying to do what. our game plan was 15 years ago, which. are just one big fight every every once.

a month, which for the fans is [ __ ]. awesome. It makes sense for Zufa and it. makes it makes sense for Netflix. I get. it. All of it made sense. >> It just wasn't a fit. But what I was. getting at is now it's interesting. because Netflix has got a lot. [screaming]. of money. >> Netflix throws some money around, right? And Netflix has a tremendous amount of. subscribers and now Netflix is in the. MMA game. >> I'm glad you brought that up. >> So, have you anybody talk about it?

>> Keep going. >> Us dorks like you and me. >> No, no one in the real world is talking. about it to me. But that's okay. [laughter]. The point is they're going to do it and. just because it's on Netflix, I. guarantee you millions of people will. watch it. I bet they'll have a hard time. selling live tickets. >> Let's see if it's sold out. >> It's definitely not. And the the tickets. are $88. Um, but the this is where it. gets tricky because. the the more places fighters have to go,

the better because UFC has no. competition. It's a monopoly. All good, which NFL is, NBA is. I have no issues. with that. >> Right. So, if fighters, bigname fighters. have a place to go and can get paid, I'm. all for it. >> Right. >> The issue of this Netflix and getting. MMA, it's like my thing would be, well, what's the plan here? >> Mhm. >> You know, so Ronda and Gino fight this. weekend. You got two four-year-olds. fighting the main event. It it's going. to get good numbers, but again, and you. know this, you've been in business with. Netflix. They're not going to give you. the real numbers, right? When you. negotiate, they don't give you the real.

numbers. >> No, they don't tell you [ __ ] They say. you did great. >> They don't tell you. But then all of a. sudden Jake Paul did 400 million people. I'm like really did he? So they're going. to say. >> well Jake Paul can say that right? Did. Netflix say that this 400 million people. [ __ ] like that? Some [ __ ]. >> How many people have Netflix? I don't. think they have that many. >> I made up a crazy number but it's a ton. of people. [laughter]. >> Last article said that they have over. 300 million subscribers. So 100 million. people were. >> so say 100 million. Yeah. [laughter]. Yeah. So let's say 100. But so and right. now you know and I get run as being a.

promoter. She learned from Dana. She's. like, "We're going to destroy the White. House." I disagree. I don't think it. does, but Netflix will tell you they. did. >> Well, here's the thing. Even if it gets. really good numbers, Jake Paul versus. Anthony Joshua, 33 million viewers on. Netflix. That's really good. That's. really good. Um I don't know what the. Sean Strickland um Hamzach Chamay. numbers were. They might not have been. 33 million. Maybe they were. I don't. know. The thing about it being. Paramount, Paramount does not have the.

number of subscribers that Netflix has. How many subscribers? I'm guessing. [clears throat] I might be wrong. >> I think they have like 60 million, right? >> How many subscribers does Paramount Plus. have? >> But but this is what you're not taking. consideration. Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. So in Canada and. other like Paramount in Europe, there's. this not a thing, right? >> So what are those views now? >> Right? >> You know, like when we're adding all. this up, Paramount in other countries. >> I I don't think the Paramount's in.

Europe and [ __ ] like that. They're. watching on like Sky Sports, I think, out there. They have a different deal. >> Oh, interesting. >> And then Australia, I think, still has. pay-per-view. >> Interesting. That I think you're right. I think you're right. Okay. 79 million p. subscribers. So, that's a big difference. between It says globally. >> Yeah. Half of them are in the US. >> 35 million are in the US. Um, are there. any countries where Paramount is not in? Let's let's put that into. >> Yeah, but I still think that that UFC. deal was just for the US. >> Yeah, it's just for the US. >> Just for the US. Okay.

>> Because UK Sky Sports. >> So that means there's only 35 million. people that it's reaching. Period. So. they'll never get to the Jake Paul. number. The Jake Paul number of the. Anthony Joshua fight. If that's an. accurate number, 33 million. They're. never going to get to that. >> But remember, the White House is also on. CBS. >> That's different. >> How many people on CBS? >> How many people are watching regular TV? I maybe they might 30 more views. >> Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's [laughter]. crunk. That shit's on channel 4 in. Denver, Colorado. Use your rabbit ears. Pick it up. They still have regular TV,

man. Regular TV is crazy. >> Like some people have to [ __ ] move. the antenna. The signals coming in bad. >> Crazy. >> People There's people out there with. regular TV. >> Yeah. Hell yeah. >> That's wild. Where they only have the. four channels. That's crazy. >> And they're just getting their news from. like [ __ ] you know, >> robots. Fox [laughter] and [ __ ]. >> They don't even get Fox. Fox is cable. >> That's right. >> Regular TV, you ain't getting jack [ __ ]. Channel two. >> They can swear on Fox. >> Can they? >> I believe so. Because if it's found.

cable, I think you're allowed to swear. >> Oh, wow. >> I think so. >> Yeah, but I don't think Fox is Fox. Well, there's a broadcast version of. Fox, though, >> right? But is it uh regulated? >> If it's broadcast, it is. That's the. whole. >> But Fox still, right? But broadcast and. cable. So what do you mean by there's a. broadcast version? So there's a version. >> doth over the air. What's what's what. avail what's available through the air? That's what the FCC is. >> So the broadcast version meaning that. you could just get it with a regular. antenna.

>> Yeah. There's like a local Fox. >> Okay. Okay. You're right. You're right. You're right. Okay. >> That came way later. I'm so old. I. remember when Fox was just cable. >> Channel 31. I remember we wanted to show. the Simpsons and Mary were children. Simpsons do. >> Maybe it was broadcast back then. Maybe. I'm wrong. I think I am. >> hard to get. It wasn't the strongest of. signals in most places. >> Okay. But it was always broadcast. >> But my have [ __ ] times changed now. because there's like you talk about Mob. Land. There's so many dope shows.

There's so many good shows out there. But it's like hot for like a week and. then something else comes. There's. there's too much. Like I don't like. there'll never be like Game of Thrones. or Sopranos where it's like the entire. world shuts down. We all just kind of. binge it when we want and there's a new. show here. It's not good, man. >> True. That's a fact. That's a fact. Um, >> try selling a show right now. Like that. I was talking about that my Gearheads. gone wild on Tuby. Tuby has [ __ ] I. think 300 million subscribers. They're.

big. But trying to sell a show. >> 300 million subscribers on Tuby. >> Tuby's [ __ ] massive. I didn't know. either. I didn't know either. When I. first got the offer, I'm like, where? >> But again, trying to sell a show is. [ __ ] tough. [laughter] a car show. Tough, dude. I didn't know 2B had that. many subscribers. >> Look that up to make sure. [laughter]. I've been so exaggerating this. >> Surpassed 100 million monthly active. users. Um, but I don't know. >> How many subscribers do they have in. total?

>> That's I know the number. >> Is it a subscriber thing or is it like a. YouTube thing? We could just like. >> and they have more view. I would imagine. it's tiered. They have it says a free ad. supported streaming service rather than. subscriptionbased model. It's free, but. they they have subscribed and then you. can get the non ad paid where you pay, I. think. >> Oh, okay. >> So, but you can just get it for free. Yeah. Like YouTube YouTube Red and. Right. >> YouTube is probably the biggest. >> Well, like they probably have the most. active viewers worldwide. >> Not even close, right? But then remember.

they tried doing like shows and it just. ate [ __ ] Like YouTube Red, you remember. YouTube Red? And they had they're like. making offers. >> I remember YouTube. I think it's crazy. >> It's interesting because just a regular. show on YouTube can do really well. Like. Mr. Beast. >> Yeah. But I think YouTube Red was like. kind of a little before that, right? And. they're like, "Put your shows on here.". And like I think. >> they jumped the gun. >> Yeah. >> They jumped the gun. >> Mr. Beast was like, "Or I'll just put my. [ __ ] out and everybody in the world will. watch it.". >> The thing about if you put your [ __ ] on.

YouTube, there's literally an infinite. number of options and channels. That's. the thing. And it's to completely. dependent on what you see. Like the. recommended for you, it's completely. what you're interested in. >> Well, now everything's niche now. It's. like like there's people out there we. don't even know. And like my kids are. like, "Dad, he has 60 million. subscribers." I'm like, "What the [ __ ]. I've never heard of this [ __ ] guy. >> I know. >> You know how much money he's making? >> But it's all it's all niche. Everything's niche.". >> There's that, but then there's also. astrourfing. There's a lot of these.

Astroturfing is when you you have fake. downloads, fake views, you have like. companies that you can hire and they. will get you views. >> And so, but here's the thing. >> That's going to [ __ ] you. >> It'll [ __ ] you. But, but the point is. people still do it. And they do it. because it's you can do it right now, right? And so, what that means is like. say if you have like millions and. millions of subscribers and then you. look at the views, the views are. hundreds of thousands of views. Then you.

look at the comments like [ __ ] five. comments. >> Six comments like what the [ __ ] is going. on? >> What's going on here? >> But it's a weird thing to do because in. order to make money, YouTube sees the. back end. So if you're trying to make. money off your show, >> right? >> You're not going to make money, >> but it'll get bigger because of the. number. So here's the thing. Like so if. you go to like brennanob.com, if you did. that, if you have Brendan Chob's YouTube. channel and I looked at it, I'm like, damn, he's got 25 million subscribers. Well, I should [ __ ] subscribe. People. do that. They'll click on it and they'll.

click on your views or your videos more. often. >> You think they're like missing out like. clearly this guy's doing something. right. >> Of course, it definitely I don't I'm not. saying that's responsible for all the. views that you'll get because of that, but it has an impact on how people see. you. You look more legitimate. And if. you're trying to develop sponsor deals. or some sort of a brand endorsement deal. like, well, I've got 20 million. subscribers on YouTube. Like, oh, this. guy's big. This guy's big. Yeah, it it. definitely. But then they're like, "But. there's three comments.". >> Well, there was uh there was scammers.

that were doing weird stuff in the early. days of podcast where they would rig. things to exaggerate downloads back in. the early days of audio only. >> Oh, yeah. And then someone came and. regulated it. Exactly. >> But but we It's not like we were all in. on it. Like it it was someone who was. running cuz we're all kind of using the. same audio thing. And I I remember. telling Brian, I'm like, "Dude, we got. 30 million [ __ ] audio 30 mil, dude, this month." And then Tom's like, "Yeah, I got 60." I'm like, "Dude, we're. crushing it." And then someone came in. was like, "Actually,

>> yeah." What it was doing was like every. time someone clicked on it, it would. count so that like I I'm talking. completely if they started stopped it, right? Count it counted over and over. again as multiple listens. >> That's right. >> And I think they do that with other. things too. Like, so you have to figure. out like who the actual number of. people, but people have been accused of. making like you can you could pay to get. Instagram accounts. You can get. followers. There's companies that will. get you followers. I don't know if it's.

legit or legal, but I know for a fact. that some people. >> Instagram in the background, doesn't. YouTube, don't they try to shut that. [ __ ] down? >> They definitely do. >> Millions of bots over the weekend, >> 100%. [clears throat] And I I notice it. sometimes. I'll notice it. Well, I'll. lose like a hundred thousand. Yeah, I. lost 100,000. >> Yeah, but there are bots 100% and. there's a ton of them and they catch. some of them, but some of them are more. sophisticated in their approach and then. they adjust. So once they realize what. gets them caught, you could run an AI. program. So, if you run an AI program. and you have a like if you're in [ __ ].

Singapore or wherever you're at doing. this, you could run an AI program that. controls a bunch of different cell. phones that has a bunch of different. accounts and you could have them even. commenting on things. And you'll notice. this sometimes and they'll be programmed. to comment positive or negative or and. it seems like a [ __ ] person, man. Wow. But you'll see that there's like a. bunch of numbers after a couple of. letters or a name like Bob 567254. And then you see like, God, I don't.

think Bob's a person. And then you go to. Bob's account and you're like, there's. almost no chance that Bob's a person. Meanwhile, Bob's posting all the time. and making comments on things all the. time. And most likely what this is is. it's paid engagement. So, it's not just. paid views, but because of AI and. because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid. engagement back and forth. >> Me and SH were talking about before you. got here is some I don't know that. you're aware of this, Joe. Uh the. streamers paying for.

>> the next level of what you're. describing. So, it's not AI doing it. >> Have you heard of Clippers? >> They're paying for There's thousands of. people that are just sitting around at. home making a shitload of money, >> a ton of money. >> And they're posting uh. >> because you'll think certain people are. bigger than they are. Like, man, I see. them everywhere. It's like that's all by. design. >> and you can pay for that, too. So, that's probably legal, right? So, >> no, I mean, >> no, >> I Why would it should it be, >> right? >> I mean, it all depends on what are you. what are you doing? Are you getting.

money from it? Are you getting. advertising revenue from it? >> To to your point, it's it's it's a false. sense of fame because to your point with. Arma, it's like, yeah, we know him and. and the and he's getting views online, but does that equal actual fans? I think. it reinforces the fans that already love. him. >> Yes. >> And a few people are going to hop on. board, but as far as like your general. casual that will not. >> tune in for a UFC fight card. No, >> not necessarily. >> But it's also a younger demo, right?

Like, have you ever watched a stream? >> No. >> You're older than me. >> No, never watch a stream. >> No. I had a talk with a a streaming. company the other day. I'm like, dude, what? >> Wait, wait. You want me to seven. [snorts] days a week turn on a camera. and hear my just like breakfast and [ __ ]. like hanging out with my family? >> Well, the streaming thing is nuts where. people just live online. First of all, how bad is that for your back and you're. just ranting and raving and talking. online all day. >> Can't be good. But then like you know we. love Rampage. Rampage does it making. stupid money.

>> Yeah. But you know it's a good move for. Rampage. You know he's not fighting. anymore. It's a good move. Makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast that's. doing well. It's good for him to. diversify. do a bunch of different. things. >> He's crushing other. >> and he's also got a great personality. So, he's. >> he's perfect for it. >> Perfect for that. >> But some people, you know, >> it ain't their thing. Shouldn't be doing. that. >> But streaming is like the biggest thing. Yeah, Jamie. I get you sound old as. [ __ ] but I. >> We're old. Yeah. I don't. >> anything that's live, >> you know? It's also It's like what are.

you doing with your life? [laughter]. >> Like I got things to do. >> I know. >> I can't sit in front of the camera for 5. hours a day. I don't understand how. anybody does it. But also, is it that. entertaining? Like my life's not [ __ ]. lit. >> They talk a lot of [ __ ] on camera and. then they watch a bunch of things and. react to things. There's a lot of that. Like for a lot of them, like for our. channel, there was a lot of people that. were making a living just going on. Twitch and these other channels, these. other streaming things, streaming my. show and commenting on it,

>> like reaction videos. >> Yeah. Getting mad about things and doing. stuff. But they were doing that. >> through the They would play the whole. show out. >> Oh. Yeah, that's illegal. >> Well, it was it was very shady. It was. very weird because they were commenting. on it, but it was like your entire. content was based on my content and your. reaction to my content. >> But, you know, it's weird. You know, you're dunking on me or you're pumping. me up or whatever you're doing. It's. it's there is a lot of that going on. And so, then there's a lot of people. that are watching whether it's Mr. Beast.

show and commenting on that or other. shows are commenting on that. So, they're watching stuff online. Someone. will send them a video of a guy getting. in a street fight. comment on that. >> Yeah. >> And then reaction videos. >> and they're interacting with all these. people that are in the in the comments. making money off of it. >> Yeah. And they're talking to these. people that are in the comments. It's. like. >> weird. >> First of all, if you think that. >> social media is bad for your mental. health. >> Oh [laughter] my god, dude. Yes. Yesterday I was driving down uh I. dropped my kids off and I was going. somewhere. I was going to this uh this. car shop. My truck's in the shop and I.

was I was driving my father-in-law's car. and I see a high school bus, Lake Travis. High School. I live right by Lake. Travis. I see a Lake Travis high school. bus pull up. I just look over every. single kid. >> staring at their phone. >> on their phone. >> Yep. >> Not talking to each other. Not saying. it. It bummed me out so [ __ ] bad. >> You know the fun we used to have on that. bus. >> I know. >> And no one's no one's talking to each. other. >> I know. >> The bus is silent. >> I'm like, "God, you guys are doing it. wrong.". >> Well, it's not. >> I want to jump on that bus like, "Hey, listen. I know I'm the old dude. You. guys are [ __ ] up right now.".

>> Well, you're right. But it is also where. human beings are headed. We're we're. headed into this weird world of the. digital world and this is the first. steps. These are the first steps we're. taking by staring into a phone all day. >> But but we know it's not good. >> Oh yeah. No, it's not good. >> So So we're just going to continue to go. down this [ __ ] road. You don't think. there's anything we can do? >> Nope. No. People are addicted. They're. 100% addicted to their phone. I don't I. don't see anything changing. I think uh. if anything it's going to get more.

invasive and then um it's probably the I. mean who knows just guessing what the. next technology is going to be but as. this technology moves forward it's going. to get more invasive. It's going to get. more you're going to interact with more. people through whatever the [ __ ] it is. However they're going to do it, whether. it's going to be some new tech that lets. you communicate with people with a. headset and you're reading each other's. minds or whether you're hanging out. together in augmented reality or virtual.

reality. >> Anybody's like, "Man, we're head down to. >> they're not going to No one's going to. They're going to keep doing. >> too much money.". >> No, it's just everyone's addicted and. everyone uses it for too many things. It's also a primary source of news and. information. I get all my um like ideas. about like how the world is working from. social media. Not not social media. commentary, but social media stories. Well, someone will post like this is. going on in Iran. This is going on here. I get it off social media. I get it off.

of X. But you have to pick and choose in. what you pay attention to. Right. >> Yeah. It's dicey. And you got to find. people that are not full of [ __ ] and not. click engagement because there's a lot. of click a lot of just clickbait. [ __ ]. >> Majority is. >> Yeah, there's a lot of that. But you. also find breaking news and you also. find things that you wouldn't know. about, you know, like certain stories. and certain things that are happening in. the news and certain certain really. crazy stories that are like, how am I. not hearing about this? This is this. should be [ __ ] huge. >> But you don't think it's going to be.

like uh and I know we have to use it. You don't think it's going to be kind of. like cigarettes like in the 60s where. everyone was doing it and then. eventually the parents of those kids I'm. sorry the the children of those parents. go what the [ __ ] this is if it was a. substance I would agree but the problem. it is addictive but the problem is it's. all facets of your life it is your. calendar it is your email it is how you. take pictures and all your memories. >> it is uh how you interact with a lot of. people there's a lot of people I don't. even have their phone numbers I just. they DM me and I DM them you know have.

friendships with people that are just. DM. >> So, it's uh there's that, but that's. basically. [snorts]. >> the problem is that it's it's a giant. part of the world now where cigarettes. never really were. >> We're relying on it. >> Yeah. You could there was a bunch of. people who didn't smoke. Even when. people smoked cigarettes, like let's. look this up. Throw this into. perplexity, young Jamie, please. Um, during the height of smoking in the. United States, what percentage of adults.

smoked? Let's guess. >> God, back in the. >> back in the day, whenever it was the. nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever, >> I think it was 50%. >> That'd be high, right? >> Crazy high. >> 30%. >> Crazy high. I was thinking like 33, >> but it might be higher cuz those old. days, man, everybody had a cigarette in. their hand. Johnny Carson show. >> Everyone. >> Yeah. people walking down the street, smoke on planes, smoke on buses, smoke. on trains. >> Everybody was walking down the street. smoking. But what percentage of those.

people were doing it? >> Okay. >> 40 to 45. Wow. In the mid 1960s, the. height of cigarette use in the US, roughly 40 to 45% of adults smoked, which works out to the order of 80 to 90. million adults. Wow. >> That's a [ __ ] That's incredible. That's. incredible. American Lung Association. summary notes that adult smoking has. fallen to around from around 40 to 43%. in 1965 to about 11 to 12% in 2022. I.

think it's back. I think people are. smoking. I feel like it's lower. >> I think people are smoking. I see it a. lot now. >> Outlawed it in San Francisco outside. >> That's hilarious. That's gay. >> That's That's San Francisco. >> That's gay. [laughter] That makes sense. >> The San Francisco tree. Well, you hear. what they're doing in the UK? If you. were born um before uh or after a. certain date, you can't buy cigarettes. when you turn 21. >> just to stop people from. >> Exactly. So, people that were born in.

like [ __ ] whatever year, whatever. year they they set it at, when they turn. 21, they will not be able to buy. cigarettes. >> Just trying to eliminate. >> But you'll be able to buy cigarettes. because you were born at a different. time. They say, "Oh, you're [ __ ]. You don't know any better. You can buy. cigarettes.". >> So stupid. >> It's They're It's communism. It's It's. socialism. Didn't they just uh run out. the [ __ ] what is it they prime. minister? What the [ __ ] they call him? >> He's still there. >> I thought they ran him out. They're. bringing somebody else in. >> They probably want to, but they haven't. Yeah, but the point is it's like that. kind of woke socialism. It's like there. it's the government telling you what to.

do. >> When I say communism, I don't mean like. they take all your money because they'll. definitely do that eventually, too. But. what they do is they tell you what you. can say. Correct. They tell you what you. can do. They tell you what medications. you have to take. It's all socialized. medicine. They tell you what to do and. what to say and how to think and they're. gonna protect you. Protecting someone. from cigarettes while you're selling. them alcohol is [ __ ] bananas. >> So dumb. >> It's bananas. It's dumb. >> But but the England's lost their way,

man. They've lost their identity. It's a. [ __ ] [ __ ] show. >> Well, they're arresting people like. crazy for posting on social media about. the immigration crisis primarily. also. other things, but criticizing the. government. And now they threw away jury. trials for those things. So now it's a. judge. And so you don't even get people. like you, your peers, to sit there and. go, "No, this [ __ ] guy shouldn't go. to jail. His daughter got attacked by. some immigrants and he said some wild. [ __ ] about immigrants and no, he. shouldn't be in jail for that.". >> But my thing, if you like, what's the.

agenda? Just to ruin just ruin the. [ __ ]. >> control. So um shrink you down to 15. minutes cities. they're implementing. that in part of the UK. The other thing. is a digital credit system, right? So, a. digital a digital credit score, a social. score, and um some sort of centralized. digital currency, which I think will. probably they're probably going to try. to move us all into eventually. But if. they can attach your social credit score. with this digital currency, then you. have what they have in China. So, in.

China, if you [ __ ] up and you do. something stupid, guess what, [ __ ] face? You can't buy a plane ticket. That's. wild. >> Yeah. You You can't get a loan. You. can't get a house. >> And it keeps people in line and then the. government can do its job without. protests. >> Dude, can I piss real quick? >> Two [ __ ] piss. We'll be right back, folks. [sighs]. >> And we're back. >> So much better. >> I know. It's hard to concentrate when. you have to piss, >> bro. You were talking. I was like, "Oh, man. I really want to hear this moment. to piss my pants.". >> What were we talking about? Let's talk.

about your show. Um, [laughter] so. >> we have a cigar, brother. >> Yeah. Hold on, >> dude. Last time I Last time I smoke it I. smoked it backwards. I got roasted so. hard online. >> I know. I didn't notice. >> I didn't notice. But maybe I just smoke. them backwards from now on. Switch it. up. >> It is funny though. But it's really the. same. It's just where the label is. >> Yeah, man. What are these? >> I'm a rebel. Smoke it backwards. >> You are a rebel. There you go, fella. >> Thanks, brother.

Here's the clipper. You know how this. works. >> Yeah. Thanks. >> Make sure you clip the right spot. >> That one. There you go. Yeah. On that. this this cigar is different because. it's not a torpedo like the other one. So the other one you could get more. confused cuz both ends were pointy. Do. you know how to do that? >> Yeah. >> Do you need help? >> No, I got a big deal. >> You don't look like you know. >> No, I'm Dude, you know me. [laughter]. Cigars I smoked only in here.

>> Oh, light it. Oh, that's right. [clears throat]. >> Um, so your show, so your show is on 2B. >> 2B? Hey, so light this part, right? >> The. >> Well, no, but this part. >> Which? Yeah, light part. >> It's [ __ ] D. It's. >> tricky, right? No. No. Light just. [ __ ]. >> Light. Yeah. Light the part that you. didn't cut. [laughter]. >> Um, what is it called? What's your show. called? Gary Head's gone wild.

>> Oh, that's right. >> Just like Girls Gone Wild. >> Same text and everything. [laughter]. >> Is that a problem? >> No. Hell no. That guy's I think in. [ __ ] on the Lamb in Mexico. I think. we're good. >> Is he really? >> Was he hiding? >> Yeah, I think so. >> Either way, we're good. >> Didn't he get like kidnapped and they. [ __ ]. >> some dicey [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. It turned. out pretty sad for him or. >> something. >> Yeah. It's a car. I mean, it's it's [ __ ]. with we would be doing anyways, you. know. And then they wanted to make a TV.

show out of it. So, like I went to Calvo. Calvo Vipers. He scared the [ __ ] out of. me. >> Calvo Vipers. I went to the biggest. Porsche collection in Austin. >> I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man. >> Oh, you like those? >> God, those off-road ones. >> Yeah, I think Russell makes them. Russell, I forget the exact name, but. Russell does. I I don't know what the. [ __ ] it is when it's an off-road like. that. Uh that just that vibe. I don't. know what it is, dude. I [ __ ] love. them, man. >> Why do you love uh off-road ones?

>> I don't know. >> Is there a dirt track where you could. take a Porsche off-road car to? >> Oh, I'm sure. Where? >> I bet I bet especially in in California, like Johnson Valley and all that [ __ ]. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But out here. there's there's places out here people. have been hitting me up about. >> Right. But when you take when you go. off-roading generally, you're going. off-roading with a truck where you can. bounce over rocks and [ __ ] You can't. really do that in an off-road Porsche. That's like more for those crazy. mountain roads that are in the dirt. Yeah, that's a Jakar, right? >> Russell built fab.

>> Oo, that's dope looking, >> dude. Some dad had one at the base. >> That's a 93. >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. So, they take a 993 and and. Ooh, that's pretty. It's my favorite thing in the world. >> I don't know why. >> Look at the wheel wells. That's crazy. >> Wow. >> Perfect daily driver, too. You don't. have to worry about. >> I have a [ __ ] problem with those. extra front headlights. They stick on. the hood. I do not like them. >> I think it [ __ ] up the lines of the.

car. >> Agree. You could cuz you could put those. on that front there. [sighs]. >> Just take them off night in the dark. Shut the [ __ ] up, [ __ ]. >> Like you ain't really off-road. I mean, you're off-roading, but you're not in. the woods. >> Oh, don't get twisted. >> At night time like all my trucks. I have. that Ram 2500 AV. That thing's never. seen the dirt, >> right? But that's different. the truck. that looks fine with the the extra. lights on it and [ __ ] Porsche, >> I agree. >> I think it's like whenever I see those. old 911s, like the 1972s, and they have. those extra headlights on the hood, I'm.

like, "Ew, >> what are you doing? You're ruining the. lines of one of the most beautiful. creations.". >> It's like a bat set of fake tits. You're. like, "What are you doing?". >> No, it's like extra fake tits. Like. you've got two fake tits on your [ __ ]. Yeah. [laughter]. >> You got some [ __ ] collarbone tits. Like get those out of there. They don't. belong there. More is not always better. And the shape of a Porsche, especially. those long nose Porsches. Oh, it's so. beautiful. And when you have dumbass.

[ __ ] headlights on the hood, like get. not meant to be. >> Yeah. Get out of here. >> Yeah. I like different [ __ ] I don't. like I agree those those headlights do. [ __ ] up the lines, but like uh the other. thing I'm just into different [ __ ] Like. I like when they swap the LS's in the. Porsches, too. >> Oh yeah, that's dope. Yeah, just the. sound. that chop. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't I don't know. It's It's. [ __ ] like that, man. >> I like those. A lot of people think. that's heretics. That's like, "Oh my. god, what you you should be going to. jail for that water cooled LS engine in. a Porsche.".

>> Bro, this guy's like he he's the head. guy for Porsche driving. He's [snorts]. driving me around. And I go, "Man, you. ever you ever driven one of those LS. Porsches?" And he was like, "What the. [ __ ] did you say?" And I'm like, "You. don't get down with those?" He's like, "Fuck no." I'm like, "Yeah, those are. gay. >> [laughter]. >> So gay. >> No, they're awesome. >> Yeah, I just like different [ __ ] man. >> Yeah, Rutled Wood had one of those. He. had um one of those. Um what are what's. the [ __ ] Japanese cat that does the Y. bodies? >> Oh, I know you're talking about I saw. >> RWB. Yes.

>> Yeah. Yeah. >> He he had one of those with an LS in it. >> It's pretty sick. >> And there's there's companies that do. that. >> Yeah, they're sick. And it sounds. incredible. It sounds like an American. muscle car, but yet it's in a car that's. like 2,000 lb, >> dude. And all I do is search Facebook. marketplace for RS swap Porsches. God, you can get some good deals cuz no one. really wants them. >> Isn't that crazy? Cuz everybody wants. the air cooled cuz the air cooled has. that raspy. >> They are the best. It feels great. >> It's a wild sound. That air cooled sound.

is a wild sound. >> As I'm getting older, too, it's like uh. you know, I've had trucks with 1400. horsepower. private cars with,00. [laughter]. horsepower. And then if you just get an. old school Porsche air cooled with 250. horsepower manual fun, >> it's all you need, dude. >> They're so fun. >> As you get older, you're like, "Oh, why. am I chasing this [ __ ] horsepower?". >> Yeah, because it's just about driving. enjoyment. It's not about You're not. racing it. >> No. >> You know, you're not on a track. >> Oh, dude. I knew I had issues when I was.

driving my kid to his [ __ ] baseball. game and my car was running hot. my TRX. 1400 horsepower. It was running hot. I. converted to twin turbo Hellcat engine. It's like 1400. It's running on E85. fuel. There's no E85 out there. I'm in. the middle of [ __ ] like dripping. springs. I had to pull over on the side. of the road cuz it's the engine was. smoking. And I just went, "What the [ __ ]. am I doing, man? Who am I doing this. for? It's not like I'm taking it to the. track. Who am I doing this for?". >> Well, a Hennessy has a 1000 and you can. drive it everywhere.

>> Yeah, that's probably the way to do it. >> Hennessy TRX or Hennessy Raptor. I. almost bought one of those. And then I. got that AV Ram and I linked with Diesel. R. And we're doing a Ry's transmission. I got a freaking stealth bigger turbo on. there. Fast fuel system. >> Oh, bro. >> Let me get my pants off. >> Oh yeah. I don't know if you're into. that stuff, but I'm I'm picking it up. today. It's finally done, dude. >> That sounds fun. >> Oh, dude. I can't [ __ ] wait. >> That sounds fun. Yeah. Um, so the idea.

is you're just driving around going to. different places, having people do. different things with cars. >> Yeah. Like. >> check out what people are doing, different mods they're doing. >> Yeah. And and it's like that old school. like car shows that we grew up on. Like. it'll throw up facts about Porsches or. about the car. It just pop up with that. stuff. And that's like our boys like uh. Gordon Ryan was on there with his TRX. He has like 120,000 miles on it. >> Really, >> dude? That thing so busted up. But he. just drives it every day. He off-roads. it. He just We go in his car. I'm like,

"Dude, I I said, you know, Gordon, I'm. going to tell you the same thing I tell. everybody when I get in the car with. him. I know this is for TV. I don't need. your show off. Nobody's trying to get. hurt." He's like, "I got you, man." And. was just [ __ ] ripping this thing, dude. I'm like, I flip one of these. things, man. It ain't fun, bud. It ain't. fun. But it's uh Yeah, just [ __ ] we. like, you know? And then someone's like, "You want to do a TV show with them?". I'm like, "Yeah, let's ride, man.". >> It's interesting how much that's a male. thing. There are women that are into. cars, but I don't know any women. I. mean, I'm sure they're out there, but I.

don't know any women that are into cars. the way we're into cars. No. No. Um, some of them, some of them like cars. They're into it. Some, but like for me, it's like that is one of the one things. about having some money that is worth. it. Like I always tell people, having a. nice house is great. It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with. having a nice house, but after a while, it just becomes your house. >> Yes. And if you're in a humble house. that has a nice kitchen and a big TV and. a couch and a nice bed to sleep on,

>> you're set. >> You're kind of set. Like the difference. in the way you feel when you're home. versus a kn nice house is not much. different. >> Okay. >> The difference in driving a nice car is. like you are taking a ride to work. You. are at Disneyland. >> You would wait in line to get in that. car and you're boom boom and you're. [ __ ] shifting your own gears AND. WOO. It's fun. >> And the [ __ ] you have, dude. I live. through you cuz, you know, obviously.

we're in different tax brackets. You. know, I got to do my thing on Facebook. Marketplace and [ __ ] I picked up tires. the other day. Guy goes, "Holy [ __ ]. Brennan Shaw buys tires off Facebook. Marketplace." Go, "Yeah, dude. Who. doesn't want a [ __ ] deal, man? Put. those in the back for me, dude." But, uh, yeah, you got one of those Por I. think it's your Gunther Porsche. >> Yes. >> And you took a picture and you're like, "Dude, I'll just sit in my garage and. stare at him." Like, dude, I've never. >> I do. I stare at it sometimes. I sit in. the garage and look at it. >> Oh, it's a [ __ ] piece of art, man. >> Yeah. All carbon fiber. >> Yeah, dude. Some when I when I see like.

that that that that type of Porsche like. the Gunther work or I'll see a certain. car, I'm just like. >> I I can't even describe the It's like. [ __ ] dude. >> Mhm. >> That is so sick. >> Yeah. Did you see the Gunther Works made. a twin turbo slant nose? >> I sent it to you. >> Peter Nam sent it to me, too. Bro, the. owner of the company sent it to me. >> Oh, you know him? >> Yeah. >> Well, I bought it off him. I bought one. off him. Not that. Not the slant nose. >> You're dealing with like customer. service. I. >> No. No. I deal with Peter. He's He's.

awesome. But that's it. That That car is. insane. They raced that one against a. GT3 RS and it buried it. >> Buried the GT3 RS. Buried it. Yeah. They did uh some rolling race like from. 30 miles an hour and literally it just. shot ahead like the other car was. >> 67 horsepower. >> It weighs nothing. It weighs nothing. What does it weigh? Um please search. what does the the new the slant nose.

Gunther works weigh? Because they're. carbon fiber. >> 100%. They're carbon fiber. >> 2,000 something. >> Yeah. Yeah. I bet it's about 2,400 lb. 27. So, it's close. But the the engine's. probably super heavy. >> Well, I don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot of jazz in there. >> But what engine are is it the. >> um I think it's a. >> 4 liter twin turbo flat 6. >> Yeah. And it's air cooled,

>> which is so nuts. >> A 1000 horsepower flat. 6 air cooled engine is crazy, >> brother. And people, everyone like you. talk to anyone like I want,000. horsepower. You think you want a,000. horsepower. Now it's not like your ZRX. uh ZR1X, it's not like that. Like if you. buy it or like at my Demon 170, if you. get the factory from the factory, you're. good. When you have a a TRX or your. Corvette or, you know, I've had other. trucks, my Ford Lightning, if you're.

reaching a 1000 horsepower, buddy, you. think you want those problems. You do. not, right? >> It's a [ __ ] nightmare. And then also. >> every week I was in the shop calling. buddy doing something. I'm like this is. exhausting. >> Well, this won't be like that. Like the. Gunther Works ones are reliable. I've. never had. >> No, those are great. >> But the the question is does that have. any traction control? >> Hopefully not. [laughter]. >> Like Jamie, could you please look up. whether or not these uh new Gunther. works Porsches have traction control?

>> I don't know how they can do that now. Now, I know that there's like a computer. thing that you could buy that'll be. >> Is Gunther's in California? >> Where they at? >> I believe so. Yeah, 99% sure they. >> You should connect with him because I'd. love to do an episode with him. >> A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the. Porsche's motorsport carriage. Modern. electronics like motorsports grade ABS. and traction control. >> Oh, okay. Well, that's good. It's nice. that it has ABS, too. That's dope. >> That's. >> You're going to need it. You're going, but see if you can find the race between.

the GT3 RS and the slant nose, bro. It. is hilarious. >> And the sound it makes is orgasmic. It's. >> I can't imagine how much that thing is. >> Wonderful. Oh, it's got to be a million. dollars. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Here's my problem with Porsche is even. 20 years ago when I my very first car I. bought when I had money I got from. podcast. This is 15 years ago. I bought. just your base 911. went to the Porsche. dealer, bought a base 911. I could. afford it. It was, I don't know, 80.

grand. Now Porsche has become, it's. almost like what Ferrari was 10 years. ago where just the base Porsche is so. expensive, man. It's pricing out their. market. So now it's become and we've. been on Porsche for how long? Like we've. always talked about Porsches forever. That's our [ __ ]. >> Watch this. >> Oh my god. >> It's Top Gear. >> Oh, it's Top Gear. Top Gear is great. >> Great channel. >> Yes. So, these guys, they do a rolling start. I guess they did a rolling start because. they didn't want to dump the clutch on. this million-dollar car.

>> Way safer to do it that way. >> Watch this. When they get to 30. >> And. >> look at that interior, dude. >> Watch this. Going, >> bro. It's not even [ __ ] close. It's. not even close. It's not even close. That's insane. And the GT3 RS is a fast. car. >> Fast [ __ ] car. >> But this was not his car. Obviously, this is, you know, someone else's car. that they're letting him test.

>> And so, whoever bought that car and. spent a million dollars on how much did. they cost? >> 1.2.2. million. >> Yeah. That again, that's my only issue. with Porsche is because if you want a. GT3 RS, they're so expensive, man. It's. like. >> Well, people flip them. A lot of people. flipping because they're really hard to. get too. >> Yeah, it's it's just a lot of demand for. them. >> Yeah, it's tough. Where back in the day, you could if even if you're a Porsche, you could start somewhere and you'd be. okay. And now it's almost like Ferrari. where it's unattainable for a lot of. people. >> Well, you know what a lot of people are.

doing. >> It's $400,000 more. It's 1.6 million. >> That car is 1.6 is crazy. >> Worth every penny. >> If you got that loot, >> if you got that loot, um, >> please buy it. One of the things that. people are doing is taking that lighter. weight Porsche 911T, you know, the T, >> and they're taking that and juicing it. up to like 700 plus horsepower and, you. know, putting some mods on it. >> Now you're talking my language. >> Yeah. Because you can do that for way. less than it would cost you to buy a.

twin turbo and you're getting the same. kind of speed, but you're also getting. rearwheel drive. >> Yep. >> And you can get them for pretty pretty I. don't want to say cheap, but cheaper. >> Cheaper. It's so tough, man, to get some. of those. Like the GT3 RS is you got to. be allocated or it's like 150 over. markup. Like it's tough these days in. the Porsche business. They're they're. crushing it. It's good for them. >> But again, for like my kids, hopefully. they're fortunate enough where they're. making good money, but it's [snorts]. going to be really tough to get in. Porsche, man. >> It's just it's a different that Porsche.

has become the marquee car when back in. the day it wasn't that. It wasn't. >> No, you know, it used to be much more. affordable. it was the more affordable. supercar and a daily driving supercar, but you know the market [clears throat]. and it's also things change, right? Because now everything is twin turbo. They're all twin turbo. >> Unless you buy a GT3, they're twin. turbo. >> Yep. Yeah. You know, >> I think too um one of the reasons I I. went away from exotics cuz I mean, you. know, I even modded my GT2 RS like I'm.

an idiot, but it loses value in them. So. >> when you mod them, >> when you mod them, it [ __ ] them up and. I I just can't leave anything alone. So. that's why I went so heavy into American. [ __ ] because you know the C6s, all all. all the American stuff you can mod the. [ __ ] out of. And there's a market there. You're not losing your ass. And and. they're cheaper to mod. Like when I. would mod a Ferrari, buddy, exhaust, whatever the [ __ ] turbos, es if you. want to do a tune, it's a [ __ ]. nightmare, man. Nightmare. >> Yeah. Well, it's all to me, it's all.

about enjoyment, right? And so like what. do you what do you what are you getting. out of it if you're not like racing it. and trying to go around corners sideways. and [ __ ] correcting and you're not. really doing that with most cars. You're. just enjoying it when you're driving it. And for me I love the feel of a V8. Like. I have uh one of those uh Shelby Super. Snakes. >> Yeah. >> It's a six-speed. >> Did you get the Super Snake? >> It's hasn't got it yet. I haven't. It's. on the way. Wee. [laughter] [ __ ] I.

[ __ ] love that car cuz it's a modern. muscle car. Driving it is like driving. an old school muscle car, but it's all. modern and it's perfect. Starts every. time. Interior is great. >> And it's just the fun of just driving. normal speed. Just normal speed. Just. driving to work normal. Not speeding. Just. you feel like you're doing something. fun. >> And do you get do you get that same. excitement in your ZR1X? >> No. No, it's not the same. The ZR1X is. on another planet. It's uh it's a.

spaceship. I mean, it's the most capable. car I've ever driven by far. Like, when. I took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we. drove it around Kota, I was like, "This. thing is crazy.". >> Crazy. >> It's so fast and it handles so well and. it gives you so much confidence. But. it's different when you're not you're. not shifting your own gears. You're not. using the clutch. It's all about that. The the driving experience is about. engagement. And if you're not using a. manual, you're missing you you're going. to have fun. Don't get me wrong. You get.

a Corvette, you're going to have a lot. of fun. It's a great car, but shifting. your own, you know, they finally started. making a um a gear uh a manual. transmission for the C8. >> Really? >> Yeah. So, it's not. >> Is the Grand Sport coming in uh manual? >> I don't think it's going to be offered. by Corvette. I don't know if there are. in the future, but you can buy one now. So, see what the company is that does. that, but it's a famous transmission. company that's making a C8 manual. transmission. And everybody saw that.

like, oh. >> Cuz that's the only knock I've heard on. like actual car guys with ZR1X. They go. fast as [ __ ] It's great. >> But it's kind of doing it for you. Like. the the drive is different. Like it's so. um it's a spaceship. >> It's spaceship. You're Luke Skywalker. >> Does not offer a manual trans. Tremk. Okay. Tremik has developed a six-speed. manual that fits a C8. GM considers it. not real for production. What does that. mean? >> But Tremik makes it. >> But they make it. >> Are they selling it? Is TMIC not selling.

it or did they make it just for funsies? >> I have no idea. >> Because Tremik made uh the transmission. on my super they make the best. transmissions. Tremik's new six-speed. manual transactional opens the door from. manual swap vets and other creations. So. they can do it. >> This is what I would do. What I would do. is get a Z06. and put a [ __ ] manual in it. Now. we're cooking. [clears throat]. >> Let's go. >> Let's [ __ ] go. >> Now you have literally the ultimate. Corvette. >> I get that Z06 and that orange.

>> There's no word yet on price, timeline, or who's going to cook up the software. to tell the Corvette to cooperate with a. three- pedal transmission. That is the. problem cuz you're going to have to. >> and the ECU. That's a big problem. >> Yeah. >> Like the the biggest problem I've had is. with the ECU. People don't realize, you. know, the the guys who do all the mods. they do, but it's like I got a 2024 Ram. and right away I'm like, "All right, what mods am I going to do?" I'm talking. to Ry's Transmission Banks. I'm talking. to my boys at Diesel R and they're like, "You got a 2024?" I'm like, "Yeah,

what's up?" Low miles, man. Like, I. [ __ ] up. I'm like, "Why?" Like, because 2024 and up, there's no way to. unlock that ECU. like you have we have. to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. >> And I'm like, okay, those can't be. expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds. because every because [laughter]. everybody wants that. You're looking at. seven grand for an unlocked ECU. >> And that's just that's not adding any. power. That's just to get it so you can. add the power. >> Oh my god, that's crazy.

>> And then diesel R, they were like, "Dude, we we have one." I'm like, "No. [ __ ] way." Well, how about this new. law that they just passed where your car. is going to monitor you and then they're. going to have a kill switch in your car. so to keep people from drinking and. driving or if maybe they don't like what. Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter and just. [ __ ] shut your car down. I think. that's um. >> even more reason to buy old [ __ ]. >> Yeah, a lot of reason to buy old [ __ ]. um put that please into perplexity and. ask them when this law is being passed.

and what the law entails because I've. been hearing a lot of different versions. of it. I want to know what these pass. for California first. >> Well, it's passed nationwide and Thomas. Massie voted against it and uh I think. Federman might have voted against it. too. I'm not sure. Uh real federal. mandate tied to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. Yeah, but this is how it starts. The. problem is if it has a kill switch. Ask.

Ask if it has a kill switch. If that's. part of it, >> explain it. I mean, it probably is going. to be in here if it. >> Right. Okay. Why people call it a kill. switch? Because the system may be able. to prevent the engine from starting or. shut down performance if it decides. you're impaired. So, that's a kill. switch. So, that is great if you're. preventing someone from drinking and. driving. Correct. >> That is not great if you are Nick. Fuentes and you're in your car and. you're, you know,

>> but that's the Trojan horse. Like they. get you in with that. It's for safety. >> That's the thing. >> May is a key word in there. >> Maybe able. Well, the thing about that. is I think they already have that with. the Corvette. I think with OnStar, if. someone steals your car, >> correct, they can shut it down, >> right? So. >> that's the security. If you have a. Corvette and Brendan Chab is running. from the law and you're trying to get to. Canada, >> but can't they do that with your Teslas? Uh, that's pro. I mean, it's a computer.

>> It's a computer. >> Of course, they probably can do that. I'm really bummed out that Tesla canled. the Model S. Jamie and I were just. talking about it before the show. >> Oh, they could all go away and I. wouldn't give two [ __ ] I know it's. your boy, but I just don't care. I. listen. I drive it all the time. I love. it. with all the cars you have. >> It's the one thing I'm like, >> I love it. Listen, I love. >> V8. Look, I drove my Raptor here. >> You know, >> Raptor's badass. >> A fanboy would say that it's going to be. replaced by that Roadster that they. haven't shown yet. So, >> yeah, but the Roadster is a two-seater.

My car is a fourseater, four-door car. that goes 0 to 60 in under two seconds. >> But, but why would they get rid of it? >> I've never had four people in my car. >> You never? >> I've never had four people in my car. >> You haven't? But like, so like the other. day I had to pick up my daughter because. she was she was being driven and the car. they were driving got a flat and I was. on my way home at the exact same time. and I picked her up and her friends. >> Yeah. Dope. >> So I had three friends in the back seat, one in the front. >> Yeah. I got everybody in my car, no.

problem. I like having a four-door. I. have a family. I know you're a single. guy. Like for you, a roadster would be. fine. >> That's just a just a. small little car anyway. I like the X is. pretty dope, too. Oh, they also. cancelled the ax. >> I know the the ax is dope. Tiffany. Hattish one had one and she showed me. that it could dance in the parking lot. Seen that video. I was like, "This is. crazy.". >> I only do four. I don't have anything. twodoor anymore cuz kiddos. >> Like I just create try to create the. most badass dad whip I can. Yeah.

>> And has to have four doors. >> Well, I mean I I have twodoor cars, but. I always have to have a sedan. I like a. sedan. >> Your kids are older, though, too. If I. didn't have a Tesla and I have a sedan, what I would get is the Cadillac. The. CT5V Black Wing. Let's preach. And you. can get a manual. >> You can get the new one. The F1 is only. in manual. It's the the highest. horsepower. 685. I don't know why I couldn't say that. word. 685 horse. I know you do. [laughter]. We both suffer from marble mouth,

>> brother. >> 685 horsepower and it's only manual. >> But take my [ __ ] money. >> I want an automatic. So, if it's at. >> Yeah, manuals sounds fun, but if you're. driving it all the time, especially. where, you know, if you're living in LA. >> Yeah, depending on where you're living. >> Yeah, >> Jamie, that could be you, buddy. >> Like, we were just in New Jersey, bro. That's you, Jamie. >> I'm not saying it's a bad car, but I'm. just like, it's uh I'm going to drive it. 10 miles a day. >> It does. Yeah, >> it's awesome. 10 miles, >> dude. The feeling in that car with the. torque and the sound of the engine.

>> Can't go anywhere on 30 traffic. Give me. some [ __ ] volume and let's hear the. one in [music] this car. >> Yeah. Well, Jamie's not really a car. guy. >> Very very. >> drive it to the golf course. But like. >> that's once a week. The sound. Look at that [ __ ] with all. the carbon around it. Let me hear it. drive. Let me hear it drive. Drive it, [ __ ] Let's go. >> Oh, why why would they do this to me? Why would you have a video of this AND.

NOT HAVE [screaming]. YEAH. YOU WANT TO SELL CARS or not for. me, please? >> Um, here it is. >> Just Just click that, though. That's the. black. >> Oh, there we go. >> Oh, my dick just got hard. >> And we can spice that up, Jamie. You. sent it to me for a day, Bubba. >> That's fine. The way it comes from the. factory is fine. >> I got muff thing. >> I know you can get it really loud, but. the thing is just that alone. There we.

go. Come on, dog. Yeah. >> All right. I mean, IT'S NOT BAD. >> YEAH. >> HE'S IN. >> YES. >> DUDE, you don't understand. >> Oh, cam out, baby. >> I feel Oh, that's a cammed up one. That. one's nuts. >> Nuts. Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes. jack those up above thousand all the. time. >> Oh, it's going to get robbed out here. then. >> No. No. Come on. Where's.

>> Where you parking? You going to the. ghetto to buy crack? >> I don't drive anywhere. So. >> where's he going? Come on. Where's he. going? He's buying crack. You live in a. nice place. >> Are you buying crack? >> You got covered parking. You don't need. it, but it's fun. >> I just think of gone in 60 seconds. When. you've got a dope car and people know. you've got a dope car and you're seen. driving that dope car. They're going to. follow you in that dope with uh our. friend. He got followed. >> What's wrong with you two? >> Yeah, shit's going to happen. I don't. got to have [ __ ] dope Tesla. He's in. Dallas buying tacos at 3 in the morning.

>> A million Teslas all over the place. >> And he's got a Ferrari. >> I drive is different than a Cadillac. >> I've never had Have you had any issues? I've never especially out here. >> No, you can catch an issue every now and. then, but the thing about Texas is. everybody's armed. Like you you can't. just roll up on someone and try to take. their car. You're risking your [ __ ]. life. >> All right. It happened on Fifth Street, a block away from the club not too long. ago. >> Yeah. On right in front of Eddie. People. get carjacked in every city. That's a. fact. That's not where I live. I don't. like having targets. >> Not where I live. Come on to this. Come.

on over to the BBS, dude. >> So, you think if you have like one of. them Cybertruck? So, supposedly. Cybertruck is coming out with an SUV, >> maybe. Yeah. I don't know. Could be. cool. >> Elon won't tell me. He won't tell me. [ __ ] He knows tell you. I got a big. [ __ ] mouth. >> Online people have showed things, but. like we don't really know. >> What have they What have they showed? >> Uh potential like it looks a little bit. like the mix between an X and a Cyber. Truck. See, that would be a smart move. if for them to make a Cyber Truck that's. an SUV. It's a smart move because you. already have the shape just instead of.

having the pickup truck part where no. one's using. >> Yeah. Extend the seats. >> Yeah. Have the seats back more and you. could even shorten the wheelbase a. little bit and make it like, you know, like one of them smaller Cadillac SUVs. >> You could or you could just say, "Fuck. all that noise." And get a Hellcat. Durango cuz Stalantis does Hellcat's. back, baby. >> Those are pretty dope. Hellcat Durango. The. >> Godfather of the Hellcat. Tim is back. running [ __ ] Dodge. >> Yes. Thank God. >> Thank [ __ ] God. Dodge is crushing it. >> They got silly with that electric thing.

>> Some French guy running it. He killed. Yeah. He killed all. >> America. >> Facts. >> That's what it was. Boom. >> He wanted He wanted to destroy America. >> Facts. Poton to beat Zero. [laughter]. >> It was like the most iconic. American like V8 powered cars were. Dodge. Dodge Viper. Well, that's a V10. Dodge Viper. You had uh but just big. engines, right? You had, you know, gasoline engines. You had, of course, the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Redeye.

>> They crushed it. >> Crushed it. Are they going to. discontinue the Challenger? >> No, they're coming out with a gas. Challenger. So, they [ __ ] up and came. out with a Challenger all electric and. it. >> a Charger. Wasn't a Charger. >> and a And a Challenger, too. They They. did both, right? >> You can't change They're coming out with. a Charger that's uh gas powered. Yeah, the Charge is dope. I've seen some. reviews of it. It's dope. It's dope. And. it's fast. Fast as [ __ ]. >> Here.

>> Now we're talking, Jamie. What do you. think of that? >> SUV. >> Here we go. It's a straight. >> Look at that, Jamie. Here you go. Clubs. fit in there easily. >> Yeah. Now we're talking. >> The Durango Cap engine. That's what you. need, Jamie. You need a goddamn V8. Like. a [ __ ] You're going to come in here. with a [ __ ] hairy chest. Yeah, I do. >> Goddamn American. >> Yeah, >> that's what you need. That's it. Forget. the Cadillac. We're We're on to this. now. [laughter]. >> We're on to this. >> We're on to this. That's what you need. >> I I wasn't This is also People love. these. This is a robbery car. The.

Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that. >> Trackhawks are great, dude. >> There's not that many of them. Yeah. And. people are after them. >> How about you get a Hennessy and tell. them to leave the badges off? >> Hennessies are so [ __ ]. >> Just have Hennessy do and leave the. badges off, >> bro. Did you Did you. >> So it just looks like a regular one. A. sleeper. >> I'd just be worried the whole time. Oh. my god. What world are you living in, dude? Did you see Hennessy did a. superduty? [laughter]. >> Hennessy finally did a Ford Superduty. [ __ ] I love it. >> Hennessy does dope [ __ ] dude. They do. dope Mustangs. They do dope Cadillacs. They take the Blackwing and [ __ ].

>> See, that that's why with uh with Tuby, it was like, let's see how these four. episodes go. They do good. >> Do you know John? >> Uh me and him had a conversation. >> You should do You should do a show with. him. He's. >> I want to do a show with him. I want to. go to Gunther. >> Yeah, >> but John's great. He's up the [ __ ]. road. >> He's great. I can connect you with him. He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine. >> Me and him had a combo because when I. was building my Raptor to get to 1400. horsepower, I called him. >> Well, I'll I'll hook you up with. Gunther, too. They're great. He's. Peter's very cool, too. >> Durango smokes his Trackhawk. >> Yeah, dude. >> Oh, the the Durango with the Hellcat.

>> Start a little faster if he smokes them. >> And that's probably not a Hennessy one. >> Well, those it doesn't matter. I mean, they put a Hellcat in one of those. [ __ ] things, you're dealing with. insane horsepower. It's so much. horsepower. >> They're awesome, Jamie. And the red the. red interior. It's [ __ ] awesome, >> bro. We're sales people. We'll We're. selling Dodge. >> That actually might have been the. Trackhawk on the right. >> Whichever one it was. >> Either way, pick your [ __ ] get one. >> I would 100% drive one of those. 100%. I.

might I might get one, too, if you get. one. >> [ __ ] Recharge it. >> Let's go. Charge it. How dare you? You. son of a [ __ ] You know what, man? He's. not wrong though with the way gas prices. are. I talked to Tim Dylan today. He was. I was on the phone with him when I came. in the studio. He told me that gas is. $7.90. a gallon in LA right now. >> And that's down from what it was a I was. out there a month shooting a commercial. and it was up to $8.40 something. >> Here's what I don't understand. Are we.

getting oil from Iran? >> No. That's what. >> maybe 3 or 4% was from. >> So are they just [ __ ] us in the ass? >> Yeah. They just know, oh, Americans know. if we go to war, we can increase the gas. price, so we all just go along with it. >> Is that real? Or is it global prices. went up because some of the gas can't. get to where it needs to go, and so it. they need to make that money, so they. just [ __ ] you. >> Isn't it funny? Like they're like, we're. going to make money no matter what. The. American people are going to lose money.

so we make the same amount of money. [ __ ] you. You need oil. >> But my whole thing is even like when you. know when we go to war, people like, "Yeah, they're just doing it for money.". It's like, how much [ __ ] money do. they need? They're all rich anyway. >> American gas prices are rising mainly. because crude oil has become more. expensive due to the war with Iran and. disruptions in global oil supply, plus. normal seasons and cost factors in. refining, distribution, and taxes. Biggest driver crude oil in the Iran. war. But what if we got all our oil from. America, >> which we can do?

>> Well, if we did that, why would oil go. up? >> Cuz look, American prices are tied to. global oil market. >> Just start selling it. That's stupid. >> Ah, you the market besides. >> they're a bunch of crooks. They're a. bunch of crooks. We should have a. national oil company. >> and only sell in America. Keep it. inhouse. So no matter what. >> right there, >> foul [ __ ] we do. >> Companies can still sell wherever they. want. >> Yeah. Even though US is the world's.

largest oil producer, companies can sell. oil on the global market to whoever pays. the highest price. And he [ __ ] us. >> High world prices still translate into. high domestic gas prices. Hey, Mr. President, please fix that. >> [ __ ] tax him. >> I don't know if he can do that. They'll. kill him. >> They try to kill him three times. already. You try to do You try to [ __ ]. with that oil money. All a sudden, President J. D is crying on TV. I'm. going to miss [laughter]. >> I'm going to miss Donald. He was a great. mentor to me. And though I didn't always. agree with everything he said [laughter].

>> and I wish he didn't post that picture. of him as Jesus, I. What the [ __ ] are you doing? Hey, [laughter] you know what's crazy to me. is there's been like three legit. assassination attempts and it's in the. news 2, three days and we're just like, "Yeah, it's crazy." And we move on. >> Well, there was another one that barely. made the news where a guy showed up and. tried to attack JD. >> You remember that guy? No. >> Yeah. See, >> I know this guy showed up. I think it. was at the White House. I think some guy. showed up at the white he you see this.

guy who just got killed in or got shot. in Cambridge. So this guy. >> he uh had a shootout with the cops three. years ago went to jail for three years. got out and was walking down the street. in Cambridge just unloading his gun on. pass. >> Yeah. Just shooting random people on the. street. This guy had gotten a shootout. with the cops and only did three years. That's insane, dude. >> He got a shootout with the cops. I think.

20 bullets were exchanged and he only. did three years. >> Bro, here's the other problem is I saw. they took a again, whoever is doing. these polls, you got to be an idiot to. get stopped on the streets. >> This is wild. >> He's just walking on the street shooting. at cars. Bro, by the way, I'm running. that guy over. >> Especially if I'm in my Toyota, my Land. Cruiser, where I know it's not going to. mess up my car. >> That's insane. Meanwhile, if I was in. Cambridge, though, I'd probably go to. jail for life. >> 100%. You're [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> For defending the public.

>> But I I saw a survey said one in four. Americans think the assassination. attempts on the president are fake. >> I wonder what percentage think the. world's flat. One in four. [laughter]. >> Yeah. The people that thought that the. Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged. anything about guns. That's a fact. I. don't know anybody who knows anything. about guns that thinks that the. president would let some guy nick his. ear with a bullet. >> So dumb. So dumb. >> That is And the guy behind him, the.

firefighter who lost his life, that guy. got shot by a bullet that was intended. for Trump. And then there's a photo of a. bullet whizzing by his face. Anybody. that thinks that that staged is out of. their [ __ ] mind. >> Or or the guy that the correspondence. dinner who rushed in. >> Yeah. >> They think that's fake. It's like, hold. on. So, you think this guy who's a. teacher, educated, clearly kind of had. his [ __ ] together, threw away his life? >> Well, Tim Burett, who I had on the. podcast, congressman, yeah, >> he thinks that guy was like some sort of. an MK Ultra type deal. And he says he.

thinks they still do that. He thinks. someone's still doing that. >> I've always thought that. I'm not trying. to steal. I'm sure he has way better. points than me, but if they did MK Ultra. all those years ago, when you go through. the list of Charles Manson, the Uni. Bomber, you think it stopped, >> right? And you don't think they've. gotten better with it? >> Exactly. >> So, you just think they're like, "Okay, the public knows we're going to shut. this down." No, dude. >> Yeah. >> They just they expand on it gets better. and better and better. >> For sure. They're still doing that. And. that could have been Thomas Krooks, too.

The guy who tried to shoot Trump in. Butler, Pennsylvania. That one was weird. as [ __ ] That one's so weird because. that guy's uh house was professionally. scrubbed. He didn't even have silverware. there. He had no online activity. He had. no like social media, Black Rockck ties. >> Have you heard anything about him? >> Nope. Gone. >> How weird is that dude? >> Vanished. Like kind of. >> What about the Charlie Kirk guy? What. about the guy who killed Charlie? >> We haven't heard one interview with him. >> Is that not weird, dude? >> It's super weird. Nearly onethird of. Americans, 30% believe that at least.

one of the three attempts on Donald's. life over the last two years were. staged. Wow. >> Attempted assassination. A majority of. Americans said either that it was staged. or that were they were not sure. 54%. said they either thought it was staged. or not sure. >> And that's the problem. >> Only 38% of Americans believe all three. assassination attempts were authentic. This is Tik Tok. It's [ __ ] ruined. That's the [ __ ] problem. >> Rotten their [ __ ] brains out from.

inside their heads. [laughter]. >> I know. It's not good, dude. >> Meanwhile, you go on Chinese Tik Tok, it's all like traditional dance and. martial arts, science projects. Yeah. It. shuts down for kids after 10 p.m. Yeah. >> And like Americans have fun. >> Yeah. They're doing such a great job. And then they sold it, right? So they. sold it to that American company and. they're just going to continue doing. what the Chinese did and make the most. amount of money, which is rotten. people's brains out. >> Don't give a [ __ ] Wouldn't it be dope. if this American company that bought it.

said, "Hey, there's clearly a problem. with how things are emphasized and what. your algorithm shows you and what we're. going to do is promote like exceptional. people doing exceptional things.". >> Don't you think they would get more. users? Cuz as a dad, I'd be like, "Okay, you guys can have TikTok. They they. there's some rules there. They it's an. educational thing." Now, not a [ __ ]. chance, dude. >> No, it wouldn't get more. It would uh. everyone would go right over to. Instagram, [laughter] which is like. Instagram's all assassinated. >> What if they did across the board?

>> You would have to have no one cross that. picket line and they all would because. people are addicted to watching [ __ ]. up street fights and crazy things now. Like my algorithm is all like people. fighting in parking lots and there's so. much of that, >> man. My mine's just trucks, cars, and. [ __ ] fights. >> on Instagram. >> Yeah. So my problem is me and Sigura. every day sending each other the worst. thing what we find online. >> I don't want to start my day like that. I [laughter] don't. >> And I don't either.

>> I don't either. >> I don't either. But it's too late. But. that's the only time I'm going to. Instagram now. The only time. And then. I'll check my You've kind of gotten off. of it, right? >> Yeah. This is so much better. Feel so. much better. I go in occasionally and. check Twitter to see what the news is, like what's trending, what's what's. >> But you're not like reading the comments. and all and I don't even go into the. news feed because I used to go into. newsfeed every I find things about me. all the time. Like I don't want to hear. what a douchebag I am. >> Like come on. I'm not here for that.

>> I know [laughter] it sucks. >> But it's so I can't avoid people getting. mad at me or even saying nice things. about me. I don't want to read that. No. I think what's better is uh I go to the. trending stuff and find out what the. news is. So then I'll click on like what. the [ __ ] is going on and I'll check that. out. Like that's how I found out about. this guy with the gun. >> and you feel so much better, right? >> Way better. But I I'm also more often. than not now not going there for my news. and I've kind of curated my Google news. feed.

>> smart. >> to be much more interest like I get more. stories and it'll show me stories from. X. Yeah. So then I can decide whether or. not I want to actually open up X to read. the story. >> And did you stop drinking too? >> I did and then I went back. I'm back. >> How how how back are you? >> Not back crazy, but I'll have a couple. of drinks every now and then. I haven't. gotten drunk since I've been back. I've. been over two years now. >> That's nice. >> Almost three. >> Feel good. >> Feel great. Never been in better shape. >> Yeah, it's. >> I feel [ __ ] awesome. >> It's definitely better for you. But I do. like a glass of wine or two with dinner.

and I do like a drink or two with the. boys when we're at the club every now. and then. But I just I was doing it too. much. Me too. >> And then I recognized and so I stopped. >> Yeah. Just it wasn't benefiting me. And. then also, you know, I have addictive. personality. Like if I do something, I. got to be all in. Like on cars, like. literally one day I woke up, I'm like, I. don't need 11 cars. And [laughter] half. of them are trucks and they're all the. same, >> you know? It's just like when I get into. something, I get so into it now. But I'm. getting as I'm getting older, I'm. getting better at checking myself. >> Good. It's good. Getting better at um.

that is very important to managing your. life. It's really important. >> It's growing up. >> Well, it's also just realizing that. there's some addictions that are just. not beneficial at all and then other. ones that are really beneficial. So, just get addicted to doing things that. are good for you. >> Yeah. Facts. >> You know, but that's the problem is that. a lot of people can't regulate their. addictions well. They're just not good. at it. And so they just get caught up. in, you know, it could be anything. >> Oh, you know. >> Yeah. To preach. That's me.

>> Yeah. >> But it's also that same thing is what. causes people to get good at stuff. >> Correct. >> Which is weird, you know? Like if you. show me a dude who can't get addicted to. anything. Like not there's not one thing. that is taking up too much of your time. I probably can't hang out with. >> Correct. And it's not good. >> Yeah. Not good. >> Yeah. Cuz that same obsession is what. led me got me to the UFC or football. >> Exactly. Exactly. like being allin on. something I think is uh where that's. where obsession can lead. The scary one.

for me I think not for me personally but. when I see it is gambling. scary because I see people that are. really rich, not just Dana, but other. people that I know that are really rich. that gamble big numbers and it freaks me. out like big poker games and crazy. amounts of money they gamble and stuff. and I was like I don't like that. >> But you get your rocks off in other. ways. I think for those like super rich. people like that's kind of like they can. buy any car, they can buy any house or.

go on any trip in order to get their. rocks off. That's how they do it. >> Yeah, but it has to be it has to be a. big number for them to feel it. >> So, the juice has to be so high. >> If they bet 100 bucks on something, they. don't even know that doesn't mean they. might not even cash that ticket like. they don't feel it. >> You know how you and I are similar with. obsession. Do you do do your kiddos have. that? Do you see it in. >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Super driven, but. it's very positive. >> Kids imitate the atmosphere that they. grow up in. And if your parents have a. hard work ethic and they're disciplined. and they're kind, generally speaking,

that's how your kids come out. Yeah. I. think that when I say shitty kids, I. generally genuinely think that it's at. least part of it is from the parents. >> Dude, I coach my son's uh baseball and. football teams. The crazy parents I deal. with. >> Oh yeah, >> buddy. >> Dude, >> and I it for the and I try to talk to. the dads because most of them respect. me. So I'll go, "Hey, can can I give you. some advice, man? You got to back off, dude.". >> But they can't. >> They can't. It's that they you have to. change who they are. And I tell him, I'm.

like, uh, I'm I'm trying to help you out. here. You're you're you love baseball, whatever. You love football. Your son. has told me he wants to quit. Now, the. reason he wants to quit is because. you've made it not fun, >> right? >> He used to love this game. When I first. got here, the nothing he loved more than. football. Now, he wants to quit because. you've made it a job for him. >> You [ __ ] up, dude. And who's it going. to affect? A, it's going to suck for him. because he likes football. You're you're. not gonna be able to watch your kid play. football, dude. >> Because you decide to make it not fun.

>> That you're gonna [ __ ] up your. relationship with your kid. >> Facts. >> I don't tr I don't force my kids into. doing other than they have to go to. school. I don't force my kids into doing. anything they don't want to do. And if. they're not interested in it, you don't. have to do it. But find something you. are interested in. >> That's my thing. Whatever you're into, let's ride. I don't give a [ __ ] what. just so happens it's baseball, football. Cool. Let's ride, man. have a great. personality for that and that you're. very encouraging your kids, but you're. not you're not it's just it's not you. thinking that like your self-worth is.

not tied up to your kids' performance. You just want your kids to have fun. >> Yep. >> The problem is with some people their. kid is almost like their racehorse or. something. You know what I mean? Like. it's like their it's their whole. personality gets wrapped around their. kid being an elite athlete, >> brother. And and now it's worse because. especially on base, right? It's like uh. it's it's a business now. It's over a. billion dollar business. So now it's. like there's these travel ball. When I. was a kid, you have to be really [ __ ]. good. Well, now every parent wants to.

say their kids travel ball. So there's. the majors and there's two teams at the. majors. There's three AAA, three double. A, three single A. >> I just want my I don't need the best. 10-year-old. I just want them playing. So I don't give a He made the majors. team. I don't give a [ __ ] It's majors, AAA, Wreck. We're playing wherever. >> Have fun. have fun and and get. >> apply yourself to something. >> and apply yourself and I don't give a. [ __ ] whether what level we're at. We'll. play it all. And some of the parents. I'll come back from a tournament like gh. you played double A. I'm like yeah it's.

baseball man. What you think he can only. play majors? So what I can sit around. the cool the water cooler and brag to. you guys? I don't know. >> Isn't it crazy that people like talk. down about a kid who's not playing as. good as other kids? >> Oh it's wild. Like what do you but you. know that's the it's like stage moms you. know there's a thing like that with. >> actor to your point their identity is. tied up in that but they what they don't. realize that they're [ __ ] it all up. >> Oh yeah. >> It's all going to get [ __ ] up. >> I've seen that with a lot of young uh.

actors where their parents were like. super involved in their career and then. the kid just did not want to do it. anymore. And generally like I've seen it. a few times and one of them that I know. really well where the parents stole. money from the kid. >> [ __ ] dude. >> Yeah. They stole like $6 million. I'll. tell you who it is after the show. >> That's terrible. >> Oh, it's awful. It's awful. It's like. devastated him to find out. >> But it's like that's what they're doing. They're they're using the kid as a piggy. bank. They quit working. They they. relied entirely on their kid and the. kid's acting. And. >> the pressure on the kid.

>> Oh, I got to afford all this so we can. [ __ ] live. And I'm nine. >> Not only that, but then you know the kid. starts feeling like, "Hey, this is my. [ __ ] money. I'm [ __ ] tell I can't. have cereal. Go [ __ ] yourself. [laughter]. >> He's the boss. >> Yeah. I mean, he he had problems with. it, too. They all have problems with it. And then on top of that, it's just super. unhealthy for your kid to get famous. when they're 10. >> Horrible. >> Also for pretending. >> Horrible. >> Get famous for pretending. That's what. >> How's that going to affect your.

personality, dude? >> Yeah. >> Well, there's a lot of parents out. there, man, that just um they don't. understand you're you're developing a. human being. And one of the reasons they. don't understand is they're not. developed well. Correct. They're [ __ ]. nuts. Or it the biggest problem is. usually the parents who never played, >> right? >> And they like, man, they'll see just a s. glimpse that their son has some talent. and then it's they're the worst. >> Did your kid into cars? >> Yeah, big time. >> Oh, that's nice. >> Big time. >> You got to teach them how to drive so. they don't do something stupid when they.

get old. >> That's what I tell them all the time. All the [ __ ] time. >> Yeah. Don't do it. >> Oh, no. They're going to learn how to. drive a manual. It's the easiest way to. your car. Jamie, you want to make sure. your car doesn't get stolen? Buy a. manual. The criminals these days don't. have to drive one. You want to drive one. for sure. >> Oh, he's going to burn that clutch. Look. at him. >> I haven't done it in a long time. >> You could figure [laughter] it out. though on a black do right now. >> Yeah, especially if you're only driving. 10 miles a day. Perfect candidate. >> Just I just don't want to. >> Uh it's disappointing. >> Yeah. No, my my kids know their [ __ ]. Like I mean [laughter].

>> there's other there's so many other cars. in the world. It doesn't have to be that. one. >> What do you like? >> I don't I don't I'm not driving. anywhere. I know you like tracks. Okay. Okay. Okay. But let's just put all that. aside. What What cars do you look at, Oo, I like that. Or do you look at a car. that you like and go, "That's a target.". >> No, it's a If it's one I like, it's it. ends up honestly being like uh like an. X6, somewhere in that range. X5, X6, AM. GLE. >> Okay. Okay. Now we're talking. I don't. know. Somewhere in there. Those are.

>> I tell you what, whoever made the new. grills on the BMW should be dick slap. [laughter]. [clears throat]. >> into the hospital. Like. like what the [ __ ] did you do to one of. the most iconic grills in the like the. M4s? Like. >> Yeah. >> What did you do? It's they they're. they're just trying to switch it up, you. know, and they miss. >> But they [ __ ] let that go through.

Who that? >> The only one that looks good or looks. decent is the 7 series. There's. something about the proportions of the 7. series with that big grill. It doesn't. bother me. >> The M2 is [ __ ] tasty, too, though. >> Okay, that's dope. >> Those things can cook. >> They didn't get it goofy with the grill. >> Come [ __ ] on with that. >> They've sort of fixed it as time's gone. by, but it's still got a big gap like. that. >> That's Yeah, I don't like it. The. earlier ones were the grossest ones. Like, but look at that right there. Where the lower I'm sorry, the that.

one's good, but the left one. The white. one. >> The white one to Yeah, that's it. Look. at that's perfect. That's perfect. >> That's pretty. >> That's perfect. >> Do Do you still have the M5? >> Uh, no. But I do have uh the E46 M3. >> Oh, yeah. Those are cool. >> The 2005. That was [ __ ] awesome. >> That one's [ __ ] great. That is. literally a perfect car. That's a great. car. Like Like that one. That one's. gross. That grill, the lower right one, the bronze color one. >> Yeah, my brother has that new M2 manual. and that thing [ __ ].

>> M2s are amazing. Those are amazing. BMW, to their credit, is still making manual. transmissions, which. >> it's a little better. >> Do they make a manual in the M5? They. don't, right? >> Uh, I don't think so. >> I think the M5 is only. Does it make a manual? The M5s are so. heavy now. That's their issue. >> Yeah, it's like manual's not the first. thing coming up. >> Yeah. I don't think they make it a. manual transmission anymore. See if it. says manual transmission.

>> That one's automatic. That's real. >> Yeah, I think they make the M4 manual. >> Yeah. Oh, six-speed, but that's the E60. V10. That's a old one. Yep, >> those are dope. >> The V10s are cool. >> V10s sound amazing. They sound amazing. My uh E46 is not that fast. >> There it is. That's old. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, the last those are the last. ones they made in the manual. But my uh. E46 is small. >> It's that's what you want.

>> Doesn't weigh a lot. It handles really. good. It's got hydraulic steering, manual transmission, >> and you know, it's a a DIN, so it has a. supercharger on it. >> So, it's a little faster. So, it's like. 400 something horsepower, but. >> monster, >> dude. It's just fun. It just you feel it. while you're driving it. And they look. [ __ ]. >> Something weird in I was trying to track. that said that they got two of them that. were. >> Unless there's only two vehicles here. >> Was it the same? >> Might be. It might be just not an. American thing. Does that make. >> No, those are old. >> No, I know. I'll tell you what I saw. Uh.

>> oh, that they So, put put in 2026 BMW M5. manual. >> I just saw that we got two versions of. the BMW M5 with a manual that the rest. of the world missed out on. That's what. I saw and was clicking on. >> When does that though? If you click on. it, I think. >> 2025, >> right? But I think they're talking about. old cars. I think they're doing a. history of BMW because this has two. versions. They're talking about older. cars. >> BMW still has great interiors, too. Oh, yeah. >> Some manufacturers still [ __ ] do it.

right. >> BMW does it right. They're they're. really good. It's a solid car. And the M. the new M5, even if it isn't a manual, is a [ __ ] screamer of a car. >> They're monsters. >> Yeah. But they have to make them hybrids. now. >> I know. Oh, it's. >> because of all the [ __ ] all the. environmental. >> Trump got rid of the the engines the. engine start. You know how when you. stop? >> Oh, yeah. >> You got rid of that. >> That's good. That's I don't like that. >> Drives me nuts. >> And I don't like that on some cars I. have to press the don't do that at every. red light. Don't do that. >> [ __ ] hate it. Don't do that. Hate it.

Hate it. Drives me [ __ ]. >> stupid. You're not saving anything. All. you're doing is cooking my starter. >> Yeah, >> cuz the starter's got to start. >> How crazy is Trump was like, I'm getting. rid of that. So annoying. parking next. to one of these. >> Is that a Maserati? >> Yeah, it's sick. >> Boy, those are cool in person. They're. really nice. >> Those are dope. >> That's a beautiful car. Why don't you. get one of them, Jamie? >> Well, >> what's up? >> I don't know. He's worried about the. attention. >> I just had a tire problem for I didn't. go that far. Those Model S tires just.

like fell apart after 10,000 miles. [sighs]. >> Just know that weird maintenance things. >> The way your tires fell apart was weird. It didn't make any sense cuz he said he. had a flat tire and then he got to look. at it and it was like there's the wires. around. He'd worn down the the tread at. 10,000 miles. >> Well, that's the problem with electric. cars cuz they're so heavy. So, you're. going through tires faster. >> But I didn't think it would be that. fast. 10,000 miles. Jesus Christ. >> Jimmy might be driving like a maniac. though. >> [ __ ] nutty. I bet he is. I bet it's. going sideways. >> The wire, dude. You know how ratchet you.

got to be to wear down to the wire? >> I think it's the weight. >> Yeah, it's the weight. >> cuz we looked it up and it was like. 15,000 mi. So he's just a little bit. more lead foot. >> Little more lead foot. Lead foot Jamie. Just a sign to [clears throat] get out. of the lead. >> As he gets older, we're talking lead. foot Jamie. >> These are dope. Austin Martins are dope. >> [ __ ] yeah. Now we're talking. >> Come on. I don't know how. I'm just. >> You know some good [ __ ] dude. >> I just don't like Blackwing Cadillac. >> Okay. Okay. You don't like Cadillac? Okay.

>> [ __ ] awesome. It's fine. Everybody. has different tastes. That's fine. As. long as you like that. You like. something, >> dude. I'll go on Facebook Marketplace. for you. We'll get you Trackhawks. We'll. get you Aston Martin. >> He's got to get something. We got to get. him something fun. >> Let's let Let us know the budget, dude. >> He seems a little hesitant, >> but he does seem open to it. >> Yeah. >> Well, you drove race cars before around. the track. >> That's fun. That's I do that all the. time. >> But you could buy a car that you can. drive. >> We're going to have a studio at the. track.

>> More fun to not drive your own race car. >> That's true. Not worry about [ __ ] it. up. That's a good point. So, your show's. on Tuby. >> Shows on Tuby. Gearhead's gone wild. There's four episodes. Um, >> and are you releasing new ones? >> You can binge watch all four of them. right now. And then if the four do well, they're going to order a bunch more. And. that's where I do Hennessy Gun Works. I. got some big. >> How long are each show? >> Uh, I think they're like 28 minutes. each. >> Yeah. >> Okay, cool. And it's Gearheads Gone. Wild. Yes, sir. On Tuby. >> On Tuby? Yep.

>> The first time I ever go to Tuby. I've. never been to Tubi. >> Please do. I did. I I I only heard about. it like a year ago. >> I just found out about it 3 months ago. >> I just can't believe it has that many. [ __ ]. >> When they're like, "We got to buy Tuby.". I'm like, >> "Okay, let's [ __ ] do it." They've. been awesome. >> That's great. >> It's easy to watch. Yeah. >> Well, someone's going to be watching it. There's that many people. >> Uh but it sounds awesome, dude. And I'm. glad you're doing something that you. enjoy. It's our [ __ ] All right, brother. >> You love it, man. I love you. Thank you. >> Thank you. All right. Goodbye,

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