Joe Rogan Experience #2495 - Tim Burchett

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. Good to see you, sir. Thank you for having me, brothers. Big. honor. Thank you. An honor for me, too. Very excited about this. Very excited to. talk to you. There's so many different. things to discuss. So, do you know what is going to be. released? So, supposedly this is the. week of some kind of disclosure. Can you.

give us any insight as to what's going. on? >> Oddly enough, I got a call. um that tomorrow at 3:00. I'm going to be briefed over the phone. by um I think one of HCS's top dogs is. going to go over some stuff with me that. they've got. and I have no earthly idea. I. I don't want everybody to get their. hopes up. I don't have a lot of faith in. in our government. President Trump's. always been great to me. He's never lied. to me, but.

I don't know that he knows the right. questions to ask and the right people to. talk to because I mean this thing's been. covered up at least since 1947. and I just don't think they're going to. they don't give up that easy. The war. pimp at the Pentagon and everybody else, they just don't give up that easy. How. How did you come to understand all this. stuff? Like what was your understanding. of it before you got into government? I. had pretty cool parents. Um right now. they would uh Daddy was an old World War. II Marine and Mama flew an airplane.

during the Second World War. I mean they. were They were badasses. Then they were. good Christian people, but my daddy was. a stone cold killer. I mean he was the. real deal. He was on Peleliu and Okinawa. in the Marine Corps and of course Mama's. oldest brother Roy got killed fighting. the Nazis and Mama did her part. Just a. little country girl didn't have. electricity till she's a senior in high. school. So, I've kind of lived the. American dream, but they would let me. you know, they'd let me get bloodied up. and then they would.

patch me up and let me go, you know, I. could ride my bike to the library or the. library, if you're from East Tennessee. And uh. and it was, you know, about a mile from. the house and they'd go in there and. they'd have these books set up and they. had all this stuff on, you know, all. this wild stuff and there's a book on. UFOs and I just picked it up and started. reading it. I probably wasn't. I don't know, 7 or 8 years old and I. just always follow the, you know, the. the magazine articles and I'd go out at. night and hope to see a UFO. Never did,

never have, um until. some of the briefings I've been in, but. um. and then I'm walking down the street. and. can I mention another news source? Is. that okay? I was walking down the street. and TMZ was There was a guy there, um. this black fellow, his name's Colin. He's a buddy of mine. He doesn't work. for them anymore, but he was filming and. he said, "Hey, Congressman." He said, "You want to make a comment on the UFO. thing?" He couldn't get anybody to. comment and I said, "Well, sure." I. said, "They're going to issue or tell. you they're going to issue a UFO report.

and it's going to be loaded and. everybody's freaking out. It's going to. be the greatest thing. It's going to be. total disclosure." And then they're. going to put something out that'll look. like somebody shot it with a dadgum. 12-gauge. It's just going to have holes. in it. It's all redacted. And I said, "And they're not going to put it out. this week. It'll be weeks later." And. that's exactly what they did. They had a. report I felt like had some. information in that was new to the. public and uh. and they um. did what they always do. They hid it, covered it up and then.

uh. everybody saw that interview and I said. on it, I said um. That's when we were talking about bases. in the ocean? No. No, no, no, no. That's. a different one. As it is, it's totally. different. I mean, this is just out on. the street corner and then I started. getting calls from people literally all. over the world. I mean, I've I've talked. to. legislators in Russia over this issue. and then people. people start just stop me on street. corners and say, "Hey, man, really. appreciate you going for disclosure." I. have doctors tell me this. I have.

lawyers, engineers. I have military. people that have seen things that they. can't describe. I've had members of. Congress. You know, there's a few. bullies in Congress they'll make fun of. me and say smart-aleck stuff, but. put it out there to your people. It's. over 55% of American population feels. like we're not alone. I mean, seriously, you go out there and look at those Every. night my dogs they got to take a leak. They never want to take a leak at like. 9:00. It's always 3:00 in the morning. I. look at those dadgum stars, man, and the. light from those stars. left there before the time of Christ.

And the light from some of those stars. the stars have already. combusted. I mean, they're not even. there anymore. You know, light-years to. us is is something that's hard to. understand. And we are more We are just, you know, one grain of sand on a billion. beaches. And I still don't think we're. the best that God can do. I mean, you. know, I just can't imagine we're his. shining uh. we're we're we're the one they put on. the mantle. Oh, look, he made humans. Well, you know, we've kind of screwed things. up. So, I I you know, and I um.

and I read my Bible. And a lot of the. Christian folks knock me. They talk. about demons. And I say, "Well, I'm good. with Jesus. I'm not worrying about. demons. I'm not going to worry about. that. I don't think they're demons. I. don't Why would they They don't have to. fly around in some craft to to to, you. know, it's just to me it's it's hard to. imagine, but the um. the underwater thing was I was I was. getting briefed by an It was a former. admiral came into my office. And Joe, it was um it was a very.

friendly conversation. And I'm always a. little couched because or a little. I hold back a little bit because I think. there's a psyop going on with some of. these departments. I was uh briefed by. one of our alphabet agencies not long. ago. And the final thing was. somebody said, "Well, why don't we got. more information? Says, we just don't. have the funding for that, Congressman. And you know, it's a and I know they're. reading the polling data and they're. saying, you know, well, let's shake. loose the money tree for us and that's. that's part of it, too. And I warned.

people about that, but um. I guess in a nutshell, that's pretty. much it. So, when you first got in How. long have you been in government for? Uh. well, 8 years in in um Congress. I was. in our state legislature in Tennessee 16. years and then I was county mayor for 8. years. So, was it when you got into. Congress that you first started getting. inside information about what's going. on? Yeah. So, that was Was that 8 years. ago or like when was that? >> it's probably 6 years ago. Five or six. No, let's see. It was during Trump's. first administration, so it would have.

been about 8 years ago. And do you. remember what it was? Do you remember. how you were introduced to it? Uh yeah, um. we we raised we just raised total hell. about it. And then I. >> Why? Because it's a cover-up. Nobody would. give us information. >> made you think it was a cover-up? Why. did you think that there was information. there? >> trust the government. I've been in. government most of my life and I just. don't trust it. I don't. >> I understand that, but like was there. something that led you to want to pursue. this particular subject? No, just it. kind of pursued me. After I did that TMZ.

interview, people started calling me and. then people would um. I would get phone calls from people from. >> the TMZ interview was fairly recently, right? >> no, no, no. That was That was one that. was That was That was what started it. all. It was 7 or 8 years ago. I'm sorry. Okay. Okay. I didn't explain that very. well. >> So, so that So, but you had an interest. from the time you were a child and then. getting into government, what was like. the first introduction where you had an. idea that there's something going on? When I started asking questions and um.

and we just get to run around. Okay, what kind of questions? Like um. what is what is this? Where are you. seeing these things? And we would get. people I would I had I had an. interesting meeting in my office um with. some people that were. like. uh nationally known and they came by to. see me and they just wanted to talk to. me about it. And I was um and and they. started telling me things and then I had. a group come to my house. I said, "Y'all.

just come by the office in DC and we'll. talk." I said, "We don't feel comfortable doing that.". And they came by the house and they. said, "Can we hook up to your um. television?" And I said, "Well, sure.". You know, and they hooked up the. computer to it and they were showing me. um. they were showing me objects that were. flying at in in. Granted, I'm not a you know, I'm not an. astrophysicist by any stretch of. imagination, but they were showing me. things that were flying at at speeds. that were just that nothing compares. And the and the angles that they were.

taking would literally and I've said. this before and it grosses people out, but it would turn you or me into a. ketchup package. I mean, we would you. know, you go this way and then boom, you're going this way. And we have no no. capability of any of it. And now. I've been briefed so many times from on. and different different groups. Um you. know, you know, we've we scrub missions because these. things are out there. We um. And then we tell everybody that's. involved to keep your mouth shut. And. then if you're a pilot and you come back.

and say, "Hey, I've seen this." you're. immediately pulled off the flight line. I'm not a pilot or military person, but. flight line um is what I call it. They're not able to fly and they're. given a psych evaluation and they're. given an 8-hour, they call it a. debriefing. It's I've been told by some. of the officers I've been involved, it's. really just an interrogation. And then. you got that hanging on your record. And. >> them to stop asking questions. >> keep their mouth shut. I literally had a. guy tell me, Joe, that he um. he said his um.

um recorder, it was an older style plane. and he said it I think he said it was. close to his right knee and when he got. that on his recorder, he started. smashing it with his right knee to. discombobulate it so that it wasn't even. cuz he didn't want anything he did not. need it. He saw it. He didn't need it in in on his record. Even if he saw it and it was on a dead. gum tape, they they drag you in. And so, you know, myself, Luna, and Matt Gaetz.

went down to Florida to be uh. briefed. Matt was told that some some pilots had. seen some things and they had some. photographs. And so, we go down there and and again, we go in. I told Matt, I said, "Matt, they don't give up this stuff easy. We're going to go down there and I have. a bad feeling they're going to turn us. turn us out." Well, we went down there. and Joe, they briefed us on some very. um. very serious issues that they were. dealing with with the Chinese and.

and and communist infiltration and. things going on. um. around. around Florida in in in the ocean. And. but they did never have the the they. wouldn't bring the pilots in. Matt said, "Hey, I understand all this, but this is not. why we came down here.". And Matt's you say what you want to. about Matt Gaetz, but he's. and he's a great orator and he's a great. attorney and he just started filleting. on them and he told them, he said, "Here's what's going to happen.

You're going to jerk me around and I. said, "I'm going to subpoena you all. We're going to call y'all back to. Washington." And I remember looking over. in the corner at the suits and I and I. said and I called them spooks cuz they. were obviously some sort of military. intelligence or CIA and I looked over to. Matt and I said, "The spooks are getting. nervous, brother." Uh cuz they were kind. of shifting around and they shut us. down. They said, "No, we're not going to. do it." And Matt said, "I'm calling whoever big Air Force was.". He Matt it was on the um.

on one of the military committees, and. he called and um hour later, they stuck. us up in this room and um had. microphones under the desk. I remember. Lunar reached under and unplugged them. And uh. um. they had a nice fruit tray that you paid. for it, taxpayers. Thank you very much. >> [laughter]. >> So, I went into it like a jackass eating. salt briars. I was just eating and I. didn't care. And so, um. finally [clears throat] came back in an. hour and the guy says, "I don't know who. you all called, but you're going to get.

your briefing. They're bringing the. pilots in." And literally, they brought. these pilots in and they were in their. um their flight gear and they had just. come out of the planes. And they were. the ones and they. they described things and it's been. reported now. It's been reported in. public, but it was um these crafts that. were hovering for extended periods of. times and could shoot straight up at. incredible speeds that we don't have. capabilities of doing. And those are the. kind of thing And and too, they're um. this was military people. These were top.

people. These are like the equivalent. not I you know, it it they're just some. of our top people. And I know folks are. going to say, "Well, it's probably the. Russians." Well, if it's the Russians, that government they wouldn't be tied up. down in Ukraine for how many years. And. it and Putin's such an egomaniac, he'd. fly a saucer to. Pennsylvania Avenue, get out and. probably wrestle Trump in the front yard. or something, you know, bare-chested, ride a unicorn or something. I don't. know. If it's China, they'd own us even. more than they already do. And then. people say, "Well, it's ours. But it's.

just ours and they don't want to erase. it." Well, think about this. President Trump, and. he should have and I give him great. credit for that, that pilot that got. knocked down over in Iran, we spent. untold millions of dollars to bring that. cat home and we should have cuz it sends. a message to our enemies and it sends a. message to our fighting men and women. that we're not going to leave you behind. as many presidents have done many times. There's no way on God's green earth that. they would risk a half a billion dollar. aircraft with something flying around it.

and um. and and risk those guys' lives and all. that training to put these guys in. harm's way. And that's And that's. exactly what they're doing. I mean, these things were buzzing cockpits. I. mean, it's it's not an everyday. occurrence. It's in certain areas, and. that's where the um. the deep water thing comes in, the deep. water bases. I was sort of misquoted. I. was just telling what I was told and um. but it makes a lot of sense that that. these deep water areas are where we see. a lot of sightings. And we see We've.

seen um. craft underwater. that do something over 200 mph that are. on the sonar pickup or as big as a. dadgum football field. And the best we. have We don't have anything bigger than. a football field. Maybe in length, but not in not. underwater anyway. And uh I you know, the best we can do is maybe. upper 30 mph, maybe something like that. I don't know. But 200 mph, that's just. out of the question. And um these things.

don't have a heat signature and. I hope I hope though that they they. release some of the footage that we've. seen and some that we haven't that we've. been rumored that's out there. What I'm. afraid though, it's going to get so. sanitized and it's going to get cleaned. up. I mean, even Obama, he said, "Yeah, there are aliens out there." And then in. a recent interview I saw just last week. or so, he's backed up on that. Uh I was. just kidding. I was just kidding. Yeah. And I. >> Well, I saw Trump when he was getting. interviewed, he said Obama shouldn't.

have said that because it's classified. He goes, "But I might release it. I. might make it unclassified." And I hope. he does, and I told him that. I talked. to the president about it, and I said, "You know, Mr. President, it's like it's. like layers of an onion. You just keep. peeling it back." And I hope I hope he. does because. >> might be the only one that would ever do. it. >> with enough guts. Only one cuz he's is. beholden to that bunch. All they've done. is try to bury him. >> Right. Yeah. So, when these men came to. you and they hooked up the computer to. your television and showed you, did they. tell you why they wanted you to see this.

stuff? They just thought I should know about it. because I was asking the right. questions. And then shortly after that I. was in in You go ahead. >> Were you told that you were not supposed. to tell people about this? Were you. >> No, but it's interesting. I had that. deep throat moment, you know, the not. the porn version, but the. the um. Richard Nixon moment, you know, where I. was walking in the in the tunnel one day. and a person came up to me. It's always. a friend. It's always a friend that does. this and said It was just the strangest.

conversation and I'll never forget it. cuz he said, "Burchett," he said, uh. "You know, you're really pushing on this. UFO thing." And I go, "Yeah. Yeah, I. am." He said, "Do you really think we need to do. this?" And I just kept listening. I When. I was a young man, I'd have run my mouth. and said, "Oh, shut up." But I listened. to what he said. He said, He said, "I mean, you know, this could. upset the religious community and and. all this other I mean, is some of this. stuff just left unknown, you know?" And. I said, "No, it's not. I I. The government has no right to decide.

what I can and cannot understand or. handle or see." And it to me and and. every time, Joe, let me tell you what they're going to. do. I had a two-page bill to for. disclosure. And Chuck Schumer had one that was 60. pages, I believe. And he modeled his. after the Kennedy assassination. uh committee release, which we're over. 60 years into that and we still don't. They haven't released everything that on. on President Kennedy getting shot. And.

that's what they wanted to model this. dadgum thing after. Mine was two pages. long. Of course, mine didn't get. anywhere. I was told by a member of. leadership, they come and sit with me. I. call it Senator's Row. I sit on the back. row, second from the back on the aisle. Everybody gets in trouble, they come sit. with me sometimes. And um. and I was told by a member of leadership. that um, that the intelligence community was. unhappy with what I was doing. And then. I got a phone call from um, a former. member of um, President Trump's staff who told me that.

I needed to um, I forget his exact terminology, but he. said, oh, he said, you need to get some. bodies around you. That's news. So, you know, I I I don't. know what that means. I mean, I'm the. 435th most powerful member of Congress, Joe. So, you know, they bump me off and it's. going to be like they'll they'll they'll. be one tear shed on the House floor. That'll be because I owed somebody $10. and I didn't pay them back and then. they'll move on to the next guy. So, Well, I'm sure you're aware of this. narrative about the missing scientists.

and scientists that have turned up dead. and been killed. >> 100% and that that's real. I think um, I have a theory on that, all right? I. know it's it's a little dangerous to. throw these things out, but and I and I. I was on maybe Fox one time and I just. came up with this. I said, say your. family's. mobbed up, okay? And you all own a nice. Italian restaurant and it's. world-renowned and you're you're busting. at the seams, you know, and you're. franchising and putting out cookbooks. and everything. You got this one chef. who's who's the kingpin of all of it.

But you're afraid he's talking to your. competitors. Now, you don't bump him off. What you do is. you rough up a few of the bus boys and. that sends a quick dadgum message that. you need to. shut your mouth. And I. timing is everything and nothing happens. by accident in Washington, D.C. To me, I. think it's the timing is is. it's it's uncanny. That you got a. president you know, you had these. hearings in Washington. You have a. president that says he's going to.

release stuff and all in that same time. frame before and after that, you're. having some of these high um, high-ranking officials disappear. And to me, that's nobody disappears in. this country unless they they want to. disappear. You know, there's cameras. everywhere. And it just to me it's just. uh. it reeks of a deep state sewer. UFC 328 is here and DraftKings. Sportsbook makes every fight night mean. more. When a fighter steps into the. octagon, everything they've built comes.

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my. husband or wife or whatever never did. anything with UFOs." Well, they don't. talk about it. It's actually It's a. pretty close-knit group and I always. remember this. I knock on doors. That's. how I got elected. Nobody really There's. not a lot of people like me that are. come from a family of public educators. that get elected to Congress, all right? Most of my contributions are $25 and. somebody wraps a Bible verse around it. and and tells me they're praying for me. The big boys, they're always for me the. day after the election, all right? They. always say, "Hey, look, Tim, we got you. a check and we were with you all along.".

I always say, "Yeah, I felt it right. there towards the end, you know." But. but I'm knocking on this guy's door. down in Farragut and and he he's putting. his flag out. He's an older gentleman. and I said I said, "Hey, brother, did. you serve?" And he said, "No, you know, I mean, it's East Tennessee, you know.". And he kind of held his head down. "No, I didn't I didn't." And I said He said, "I I worked at Oak Ridge." And I said, "Brother, I said, my daddy was on. Okinawa when they dropped the bomb. They. were getting ready to invade mainland. Japan." I said, "If my mom and daddy. were alive today,

they would hug you because that's. they put it together." And he told me, he said, "Tim, before I left," he said, "a funny. thing." He said, "My wife worked there, too. And you know, I did She worked on a I think he said he. was fuse or something and she was the I. worked on the timer on the atomic bomb.". He said, "And I didn't know what she did. the entire time that we were working. there." That's called. compartmentalization and that's what you. have here. And And if I can elaborate.

just a little bit more, the um. you you're familiar with FOIA. I mean, you remember the media Freedom of. Information Act. And it means I can I. can request from a federal agency, the. FBI, they probably wouldn't give it to. me, but any information. But I can't go. after like Ford Motor Company, okay? So, what they've done is they've given this. information, these whatever if it's. craft, if it's material, if it's bodies, I don't know. I. I have my suspicions, but they've given. them to There's four or five major. contractors that you see that are always.

the ones that are that are putting it. out there. They're they're missile. defense systems. They're they're coming. up with this new metallurgy, these new. propulsion systems. And I think. whatever they had, they gave to them. early on, and they're they're the ones, but they're so far disconnected from the. government that I can't touch it. And. the people that are working on it, there's nobody alive in. around it around Roswell or any of that. stuff that was in and around those years. that's still alive or still working. So, all those people are gone. I mean,

that's the best That's the best secret. you can keep if you tell somebody and. they die. And that's That's exactly what. they've done. And uh. you know, we've been given. um. places, addresses, and things. And. everybody says, "Oh, man, go to. you need to get out to Area 51, Burchett, and see what's out there.". There ain't nothing at freaking Area 51. As soon as we announce where we're. going, the U-Haul vans are would have. already been there and left, you know? And um and so, what it's going to take. is it's going to take a scientist or.

somebody that's going to have to walk. out of one of those deadgum labs before. they're um. allowed to commit suicide by shooting. themselves in the back of the head 10. times um with a shotgun or something. Um. And so, Do you know the Bob Lazar story? I do. I do I've never met Bob. I know I. I um a buddy of mine, I guess um friend. of mine, I think sort of broke that. story. Um. George Knapp? Yeah, Knapp Knapp. I'm. sorry. I I. um haven't slept much in the last 48. hours, but yeah, George. I met him.

through all this, and I mean, it was a. big honor cuz I grew up watching George. Knapp. He's a cool guy. He's awesome. I. love him. He comes to my office, and we. hang out, and I mean, you know, people get. you know, they get kind of starry-eyed. when they see somebody like yourself or. Kid Rock or somebody, but for me, it was. George Knapp. Because I mean, you know, cuz I asked him I'd ask him stuff. He. goes, "Yeah, that was a report I did. when And and cuz I. you know, >> Yeah, he's very careful about what he. says, too. He's not a guy who says. anything that he can't. >> And he documents it. You ever seen his. files? I mean, it's just it's a myriad.

of files. He's very even-keeled and fair. in the way he assesses things. He's not. hyperbolic. The way he describes things. is like as clean and as accurate as. possible. He's not trying to sell t-shirts or. anything. I mean, he's he's a true. journalist. I you know, I I wish other. people would look at a guy like that and. say, "That's the way we need to go with. journalism." A real journalist who. didn't start off with this whole UFO. thing. He didn't want to do I mean, he. was an actual just regular journalist. until Bob Lazar contacted him. Yep. And.

that story, we've I've had Bob on a couple of times. In fact, this is how popular this idea. is in the American zeitgeist. The Bob Lazar episode. of this of this podcast is the most. viewed episode that I've ever had on. YouTube. Is that right? >> Yeah, it's got 65, 66, 66 million views. right now. Wow. Yeah. I mean, a guy who's just talking about. how he used to work at S4, Area 51 site.

four, where he was back engineering. UFOs. Right. And there's a new. documentary that he just did called S4, where they use CGI and they made models. of the craft and they made him like they. brought him you know, they used this. technology that makes it look like he's. a lot younger. Yeah. And they showed. like what his experience was. They. completely recreated it and it down to a. T. And I I Jamie and I got a chance to. watch it with him, with Bob and Luigi,

the guy who made the film. And it was I mean, watching how. emotional he gets when he's in the room. He's like, "This is it. This is this is. I like this freaks me out. It like. brings me back." Cuz we're talking about. 1988, 1989 when all this was going on. And he really you know, I. the last report I saw it was somebody. interviewed him in his house. I mean, he. had like a mid-80s Corvette or. something, you know, he's not He's not. He didn't He hasn't cashed in on it like. everybody else seems to do. No, he. hasn't made any money off of it and he's.

still just a legitimate scientist. He. runs United Nuclear Labs. He's, you. know, that's what he does. And he's. a brilliant guy. And doesn't want the. attention. Like I It was very difficult. to get him to come back in a second. time. You know, and he wanted to wait. until this documentary was out and come. in and talk again, but he got freaked. out. He drank a lot of whiskey. You. know, he's like he gets weirded out by. it all. It's all like to [clears throat]. him the whole experience was very. surreal and strange and. Well, you got You got to figure he's the. one that escaped from all of it and is.

still alive. And somehow he got out and. was able to do it before they could. silence him. They tried to discredit. him, said he didn't work there and then. I think he produced check stubs even. Well, not just that. They tried to. pretend that he never worked at Los. Alamos Labs, but he was on the employee. roster. There was a There was a lot of. stuff going on where they tried to. discredit him, but. he went public because he was afraid. they were going to kill him. You know, cuz the initial one that he gave a fake. name and he was a silhouette and he told. his story, but then his his home got. broken into, his car was getting broken. into, he got shot out on the highway. It.

got real weird and so he said, "Look, I've got to go public. Like it might be. the only way to protect myself." And he. told the whole story and he hasn't. deviated from that story. And that's. that's what's really kind of crazy cuz. it's been, you know, what? 40 something. years or close to? These guys, they ask. those questions, you know, they always. Oh, yeah, well. And then they say was it. Red noise green and then they were. adamant that it was red 10 years ago. Everything about him has been that he. I've seen. There was a documentary on him and they. asked somebody to analyze him. You know,

was he telling the truth or not? He. said, I think he's telling truth. Yeah, he. doesn't seem like he's lying. But I. mean, Of course, I'm in the business. I'm in. Congress, so yeah. He's an amateur. We're professionals up. there, brother. >> [laughter]. >> You only think you can tell a lie. You. know, they're not very good at it. The. people in Congress that are liars. The. problem with liars is they don't really. have a good understanding of the truth. Because if you're lying all the time and. you're forging this like fake narrative,

people see that. And so then when you. try to say it as the truth, it doesn't. come off like the truth. There's a. feeling that people get when they talk. to you. Now, there's some real crazy. people that are that could just lie. Like really insane. But generally they. lie about a bunch of stuff. They don't. just have one lie from 1989. >> pathological comes to mind. I'm I'm. >> Yes. >> You know, that that bass was this big, you know. >> [laughter]. >> Well, his story though, one of the. interesting things is he was talking.

about the ways in which the craft moved. and then decades later we have footage. that shows these crafts rotating in the. direction that they want to travel then. zooming off. And then of course there. was the Commander David Fravor incident. off the coast of San Diego in 2004. And. if that was our technology, the the. thing that puzzles me is if we had. something in 2004 that can go from. 50,000 ft above sea level to sea level. in under a second,

I can't imagine that 22 years later. there would be no advances that it would. have leaked through into mainstream. technology. >> energy. Just along with that. >> Yes. The energy itself, you know, we'd. heat our homes in the winter and cool. them in the summer. But then again, I. always throw out the war pimps. I'm not. a. My daddy fought for this country and I'm. I'm not and you know, that's their. business is war and their business is. very good. Um they they will quickly um. you know, stand up and and.

and trash a guy like Fravor. Um he was. he testified before our committee. and I I was I was taken by what he said. I know him pretty well now, but we. you [clears throat] know, we had the. committee, which was crazy. Uh. We uh. me and Luna and um a bunch of others got. together and said, "Man, we need to got. to do this committee. This is we need to. do this." And so, I went to the chairman. and he said, "Sure." [clears throat]. And then they sort of. blew it off and then they want and I go.

see the staff. of these committees and that's that's. that's the real problem in Washington. Reagan said it best, don't don't term. limit politicians, term limit staff. You. know, I go in there and I'm told, "Yeah, well, I think we want to just talk about. this Chinese hot air balloon is what we. want to really talk about." I said, "No. Hell no, that's not Excuse my language, heck no. Um we want to. we want to talk about that gum UFOs, what people are calling us about. constantly." I mean, it was just getting. so much airplay.

And then um I was told by some. old-timers, which was kind of cool. They. said that, you know, Tim, I've been here. some I've been here 10, 15 years and. said that was the most attended. committee that they could remember. They. had to open up another room so people. could be there. I walked out, I was on. Fox that morning. And um. uh I I was going out I left my office at. 4:30 in the morning. And I was outside. and I remember it was hot cuz it was. summertime and there was people already. outside. lining up. They had come from all over.

the country on their own dime. I mean, these weren't like wealthy people. And. then one guy said, "This is our vacation. this year. We're coming to this dead gum. committee meeting." And and Joe, they. were lined up around the hall, around. everywhere. And that's where I met Shawn. Ryan and. a bunch of people. And it was just it. was amazing to me and that's when. Congress started paying attention to it. because they realized the voters are. paying attention to it. >> Mhm. Yeah, I mean, that might be the. only way to put pressure on them. The. the thing about the alternative energy.

sources, what one of the things that I. was thinking is that if you were. involved in. whatever, petroleum, like what whatever. your business is and there's something. that's coming along. >> them out of business. >> Yes. >> Them and the Pentagon. That was my point. on the Pentagon. Yes. >> It would put them out of business, put. the oil companies out of business cuz. they say it wouldn't show on a dadgum. heat signature. You know, if a if a blackbird flies across my. farm, it's going to put out a dadgum. heat signature. And and through the um.

all the technology we had, you know, that's they call them the the Tic Tac. Mhm. Tic Tacs, yeah. They look like the. little little mint and um and that's. what they were. >> That's what Commander David Fravor saw. Yeah, and not only saw, but there's. video footage of it, there's radar. footage of it. It's exhibiting travel. that's just beyond comprehension for. modern technology, for current state. technology. >> 100%. >> these people were working on some sort. of new energy source or some sort of new. propulsion system and you've got to.

imagine there's a very small amount of. people that are on the cutting edge of. whatever this stuff is. If this is like. groundbreaking technology that's. not known by mainstream. physicists or whoever's working on it. and you only have a small group of. people, if you whack one of them, you. put a big stop to any progress, especially if you get the main people, the lead scientist and that guy winds up. getting assassinated or winds up in some. >> Disappears. Yeah.

>> Disappears. The one lady was the weird. one. So she's walking with her. >> She had a kin or something. Yeah. >> Yes. Walking with her friend, uh her. friend turns around and talks to her and. then walks a little further, turns. around to say something again and she's. gone. Just gone and they bring in dogs, they have cadaver dogs, they they can't. find her. There's no trace, no one's. seen her since and this lady was. apparently Wasn't she Jamie, wasn't she. involved in some sort of alter. alternative technology, alternative.

Yeah, I think she's on a path. of something. metallurgy was her deal. So you think. Right. whatever these craft or whatever. have to be Uh-huh. something and I you. know I I said this earlier on one time. and it made a lot of sense. I I'm. surprised that something I said did but. it sort of stuck. You know, it's like. well, why don't they just bring it all. out now if they've got it? I don't think. we've got the technology to figure out. what the heck it is. Like I ride. motorcycles. I got an old '47 Indian. Chief. If I were to take that thing back. to the.

when they came over in the Mayflower. >> Right. you know, they would see it and. think that's kind of unusual. They might. worship his ass as a god. I know. sometimes do when I go out to the garage. but but. but you know, they're going to they're. not going to be able to. adjust the valves. They're not going to. know what the heck a spark plug is. They. probably wouldn't be able to figure out. how to make a fuel with a high enough. octane for the thing to kick over. Right. >> Um. And and I think that and they might. polish it. They might get it started and. I think that's sort of where we're at. with this stuff, Joe. I think it's a.

I I think a lot of them have something. and they just don't know what the heck. to do with it. >> Well, that's Bob Lazar's take on it and. that was his take on it when he was. working there in 1989. He said they. understood how to turn it on. They. didn't exactly understand how it worked. or what it did and they wanted him to. try to figure it out. Those guys that. came to my house um. they they talked about that and how. these. something could travel at these light. years and and one of them was an. astrophysicist and and I don't really.

understand astrophysics but um. it took me 6 years to get out of UT and. I didn't drink or smoke pot. So, I'm. just going to elaborate a little bit. here if that's [laughter] all right with. you, brother. I have a green shop, technological adult. education. I can fix your lawnmower. I. can burn your house down if you need it. wired but I'll always have a job. But. so, you got something vibrating over. here and then instantly it's over here. Right. >> And that that's sort of the way they. explained it, put it on my level to. understand it. And I mean to me it. proves that there's a god. I mean, cuz. it's an instantaneous travel that we. don't quite comprehend. Now, is there.

friction involved? Is And And that's. where the um um when they see these. blobs out there that are floating. around, uh they um. that are lit up. I've had several people. tell me about that, how these. um there was one incident where they. surrounded a group of our aircraft and. um. and it was there in in A lot of them. deal with nuclear weapons. It seems that. we're around some nukes. We've had I. always remember I went in and um.

it's been a long time since you had a. man bun, so I'm going to I'm going to. knock on this. Had this bureaucrat with. a deadgum man bun telling telling me I. asked him about a certain incident and. he said, "Uh we don't have data points. on that, Congressman." And I said, "Well, what about this deal?" And he. said, "I don't know what you're talking. about." I said, "Well, Google it. Everybody in the world knows about We. had a We had a nuclear power plant that. had these things fly over. And the deadgum thing shut down. I mean, it's been documented. It has been. documented unequivocally. And you know,

and and that's that And then then you. have members of Congress go, "Well, they. said it didn't exist, so we're out, you. know, I'm good." And I'm like, "No. No, I'm sitting here reading these officers. that are obviously very I read people. I. God gives us all a gift. My gift is. reading somebody. And I was reading. these these military officers and you. know, they had the full in They had all. of it, you know, they'd been serving for. a while and some of them had done some. things. And um I could just sit there. reading them. They're thinking, "This little twerp right here beside me,

I'd choke him out if I could." You know, I mean, they were just like they were. angry at No, not at me, at him. At him. because they wanted to tell something. and this was a Biden appointee and you. know, it just Mhm. And and and And. that's a lot of the times where I was in. one situation, I'll just call it, where. they sent somebody in basically just to. disrupt in you know, to throw at a at at. at a witness and. that witness just it was like a he was. like a.

pro ball player hitting T ball man. He. was just knocking them out of the dadgum. park every question. What about and he. gave a date and he said oh, you're. talking about this incident. Well, let. me tell you what happened there and and. he would go through everything and it. was and it was beautiful. It was. beautiful and then he got disgusted and. end up leaving the meeting and you know, and and that's they they send people in. to disrupt. They're just not going to turn and I. don't know if the fact that and and the. corruption in Washington D.C. is not. like it used to be. You know, it's not. like oh, I got a picture of you sleeping.

with some hooker over in Istanbul, you. know, I oh, make copies. I want to take. it to my buddies. I mean that's about. the that's about what you'd get now but. way it is now is I think is that some. members have. a family member or a wife and or. girlfriend that could work for one of. these groups. And they're told. hey, you want to keep your dadgum job or. you want these pictures to come out or. whatever. I would you we need a little. help here and then they go disrupt and. come into the committee meetings and ask.

ridiculous questions to try to get a a. partisan fight going. Mhm. And maybe. some of them do it unbeknownst to them. what they're being told to do but they. do it because they're they're just lap. dogs. >> So there's a strategy where they have a. bunch of people that they sort of. compromise as disruptors. And they. >> And they are compromised. Exactly. That's the word. I. I was on a I'm going to say another one. I was on the Bennie show early when he. was early on and um. and I was talking. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um and so he's been very.

kind to me and so he. he asked me about how do they do it and. I said well, they used to do this thing. called the honey pot. You know, they'd. you'd go to some you go on I never go on. trips. The only trip I've ever been on a. codel was to the border down here uh. down in Texas, and I um. I went down for 1 day, flew down here, saw the border, saw all the people. coming over the border, got in airplane, flew home. I was It was about 18-hour. trip. It wasn't any luxury. I stayed in. a room that my buddies at the frat house.

would have probably asked for our money. back in. It was pretty rough, you know. Got some good barbecue, though. But. anyway, so. I um. these guys go on these trips, and say you're sitting out at the bar. I. mean, you're a good-looking guy. Some girl comes up to you or some guy, whatever your interest, whatever your. proclivities are, and laughing at your. jokes, and you know, next thing you. know, you're up in the bedroom Right. naked with them. And then you think, man, I pulled off the great I pulled. this off. I was this smoke show, and my. wife and kids don't know about it, and.

I'm just going to, you know, me I'm just. just me just between me and the Lord. And then, you know, you're getting ready. to make a key vote. And one of you and a staffer comes up or. a or a lobbyist or something, you're in. the hall, and says, "Hey, Congressman.". Said, "Yeah, man, how's it going?" Said, "He got this big boat." "Yeah, but I I'm. not for y'all on this one." "Okay, we. understand." He said, "Hey, um were you. in a motel room in in Istanbul with a. pretty redhead one time?" And you go, And they say, "Man, I don't want that. out. It'll wreck my marriage." "Well, we.

don't want it out. We don't We just need. your help.". And that's how they sink their claws. into you. They used to. And they might. do that now, but I was on the Bennie. Show, and I was talking about that. Oh. man, I caught it from I mean, it was. leadership and members. Man, everybody. thinks we're sleeping around. I said, "I. didn't say everybody. I just said some. of y'all are." I said, "You know, don't. don't" And every day you can there's a. new one getting in trouble, so it's not. any big secret. Um 435 of us, so. You get 435 people, you got to have a. few freaks in there.

>> [laughter]. >> In 435 group of any human beings any you. go to Especially, you know, if you can. compromise a man with beautiful women, it's not that hard to do. >> they're if they're gay and they don't. want it out in their in their public or. whatever. So, I I said this to Benny in in our in our. car that and then about a week later, a. week later, and I I said it's probably. the Chinese, the Russians, or something. They busted a Chinese prostitution ring. And what did they list as their. clientele?

>> [laughter]. >> Lobbyist, government employees, and politicians. Of course. >> And then what happened the next week? That story went away. And Benny had does. this thing, he showed me walking out and. he like I throw a match in the in the. whatever behind me just burst into. flames and I'm walking out, you know, it's really cool. And um uh he also did. a song of me singing dadgum, which is my. cuss I don't cuss, I say dadgum and he. did that. But anyway, but that was my. point is that they use this stuff and. they know what we want. They you know,

these guys these countries they know. they own the internet, so they know. which porn you look at at your in the. privacy of your home that you think. you're you know, you got this private. name on your freaking computer and they. know, you know, and so that's what. they're going to hit you with. So, anyway, that's that's a long story, but. it's I think mostly it's just jobs now. Mostly jobs and influence and figuring. out Well, you think about. >> You get a dirt bag, you're going to get. him to sleep with some hooker, you know, that that's going to happen, you know, eventually, too, but I just don't I.

don't know if it's that prevalent. And I. had a lobbyist tell me one time. he was uh his name was Tom Hensley. He. was the golden goose. He was a liquor. lobbyist in Nashville, Tennessee, and he. was a caricature of what a lobbyist is. He had three-piece suit, big old cowboy. boots, smoking a cigar. And we were at. the Crown Plaza when he liked me because. I never would vote for his liquor bills, but I never would vote for a tax on. them, either. So, um. he he um. he we were there and the guy from the. governor's office came and just chewed.

both of us out, you know, just treated. me I'm a legislator and he was treating. me like a dog. And I and he was goose sitting back here. and he had that fancy Jack Daniel's. black label or whatever it is that the. fancy version of it is cuz he represents. Jack Daniel's made in Tennessee. And he. pulls that big $5 cigar out of his mouth. and he goes, "Burchett, he goes, "Governors come and go, but the old. goose will be sitting right here." And. he said I said, "Well, what are you. going to do, Goose? He's going to shut. you down, man. All these He's going to. tell these people stuff." He goes, "Burchett, I just need one chairman. I don't need.

the whole in one body of the house or. you know, in the house or the senate. I. just need one chairman that'll listen to. me." And he wasn't saying he never did. anything crooked in front of me and he. never offered me any bribes or anything. But, that was a good lesson to learn as. a young man when I was in the state. legislature. Well, if you just think. about how much money Congress people. wind up leaving office with, just that alone is incentive to play. ball. >> you don't mean you don't think we're. making 16,000% on our own knowledge? >> [laughter].

>> I got My daughter called me a while back. and said, "Dad, um and she's super. smart. She's do anything you want, veterinarian, doctor, I don't know, brain surgeon. She's crazy smart. I. married my wife and adopted her. My wife. was a widow, so genetically she's not. mine, but when she gets into trouble, my. wife says, "That's all you, Tim. Burchett." But, she's a exceptional. little girl and she said, "Dad, I think. I just like to cut hair.". And I was like, "Right on, girl. You go. on and do it." And and that's what she. does. I mean, she's she's going to.

school to do that. So, I cashed out my. $11,000 portfolio, which was a mutual. fund, cuz I think and I don't own any. individual stocks, but I think that. members of Congress ought to do that. That was my bill. You don't own More. people have More people have played. professional baseball than have ever. been in in Congress. Um you know, it's it's a very it's a. very tight it's a very and I tell. people, "If you don't get off that. dadgum plane and look at that Capitol. and get chill bumps, you need to get. your butt back on that plane and go home.

cuz we don't need you there. And. everybody knocks on Pelosi, and I know. that, but out of the top 10, you know. where she is in the in the amount of. trades? Where is she at? Number 11. She's not. even in the top 10, dude. >> Well, she should get a better PR person. That's crazy, cuz everybody uses her as. an example. >> I know, but she don't care. I mean, if. you were making 16,000%, would you care? Uh, I would be a little concerned that. someone would come for me. Ah, she's all. right. She's. >> Well, it's just bizarre that it's legal. That's the most bizarre.

>> Oh, it's it's it's it's not right. I. mean, it's not right, but it's it's it's. legal. And I just said, "Look, you cash. out everything, you put it in a mutual. fund.". And I know they got this bill, and. everybody's all fired up for it, and I'm. not a I'm probably I don't know what I'm. going to do about it. I'm Which bill? Uh, they got a new bill. They don't like. my bill, mine and Luna's bill that says. that you you can't own individual. stocks, just own a mutual fund. They're. going to let you keep your portfolio. So, and some of these cats got a $20. million dadgum portfolio. >> And they made $170,000 a year, which is.

amazing. Yeah. Imagine the average. person out there. making $170,000, and all of a sudden. they make. a hundred million Yeah. in the stock. market? Like, how? >> we're involved. Does And I Not all of them are crooked. Some of them are They are geniuses. I've. been in Congress with some real. geniuses, but. you know, if you say I'll give you a. case in point, all right? And I said. this many times, and nobody's. uh, come after me and said, you know, they told me to quit saying it, but I.

don't care. I got a dadgum First. Amendment, I don't care. They can't they. come to knock to East Tennessee and try. to beat me, but but they um. I If if uh, uh, I forgot what I was saying now, man. I. lost my mind. I guess that part you have. to cut out. Oh, no, it's we're talking. about insider trading. We're talking. about the amount of money that people. generate. That's where we're at. We're talking about bills. >> Someone's a genius, really good at it. Yeah, I'm trying to think. I forgot it. I've got so many one-liners in my head, Joe. [laughter] I should have written. all these down written all these down.

But anyway, um. they they all. not not all of them are crooked. Some of. them are are really are that good, but. >> I'm sure. But oh, I know what it was. It. was it was um. uh when Russia in invaded Ukraine, I. haven't voted for a dime for that. It's. not our dadgum war. I don't I I keep keep keep my dollars. here. We need to defend our own dadgum. borders well. Joe Biden, for better for worse, gave. Ukraine basically our missile defense. system. So, immediately we had to.

replenish our missile defense system. Now, who do you think owns stock in that. in those missile defense systems? Members of Congress. Yeah. >> Members of Congress. And apparently some. of them had bought it at. at. fairly close to those time periods. And. so, I don't know. Are they doing something. crooked? I don't I mean, you can't prove. it. Well, if it's not crooked, they know. things that would help them. >> And I just remove all reproach. And if. you if you've got a $20 million.

portfolio or whatever, some probably. have more than that, you know good and. dadgum well you're going to vote it's in. the back of your mind you're going to. vote to make. my my investment worth a little more. Yeah. So, the possibility of financial. windfall would probably make people play. ball. Which makes sense. Which makes sense. I. mean, if you got human nature you got. you got guys up there that are. that you know, they've got.

they've got. expenses at home, got a couple kids in. school, got payments on a house, you. know, and $170,000 doesn't go as far as. it used to, I guess. And they. just human nature, you want more. People. want more. They they want, you know, whatever it is. >> And a lot of times it's not them. investing, it's their. you know, their wife or their spouse. and we've seen cases of that where you. know, the. 16-year-old kid is. doing pretty well. Right. And it's the.

child of someone who has some inside. information. There's something that just. came out yesterday about Ro Khanna. This a guy Kevin Bass on Twitter posted. this big long this examination of his. stock trades and how much money he's. made and how he's made it and what he's. done and. there's I mean, it's just all over. Congress. It's you have inside. information. That's what it is. That's. disturbing. I know Ro. Uh but, you know, I don't know if it's true. Yeah, I don't. either. Yeah, but you could pull it up. if you want, Jamie. It's Kevin Bass, B A.

S S. Is it Bass or Bass? I'm not sure how to. pronounce his last name, but he made. this very detailed post about it. But I. mean, that's just one example of one. person who's profited. I'm sure it's. probably minor in comparison to the. other 11 that are ahead of Nancy Pelosi. I sleep on my couch in my office and I. shower in the gym. I don't have a place. I can't afford it. It's too expensive up. there. I was so when I got elected with.

a guy one time and he said when we got. elected he said, "Hey Berchett, I just. paid $1.2 million for this place. What. do you think?" And I know he was just. bragging to me, you know, cuz I would no. way I could do something like that. And. he said and I said, "Well, probably in a. couple years they're going to say I. can't believe you only paid $1.2 million. for it cuz that the price of that real. estate up there is just crazy. It is. crazy. And. it's a rich man's game. It is really a. rich man's game. And the problem with. being around rich men is even if you're.

rich, you don't feel like you're rich if. you're in comparison to them. And so, if you're worth a couple million. and this guy over here is worth 50, like, damn, I got to up my game. >> I got to up my game. >> And you're in this sort of culture, this. culture of a bunch of people that are. investing a a of money and making a. bunch of returns and And I I'll tell you. what I it was a public meeting. I. remember it was in transportation that. would dealt with some technology in an. airport and it was pretty cool. And um I just asked the question. I said. uh is that is your stock publicly.

traded? I you know, I looked I was. watching people see what they did then. they all looked up, you know, and I. thought note to self, call my broker. when I walk out of here, you know. >> [laughter]. >> It's just very odd that that has been. legal for so long. That's what's very. odd. >> It's disgusting. And all here's what. we're going to do. We'll pass some bill. and the Senate will pass another bill or. phone just won't take it up, which is. we're seeing a lot of now. Just won't. take anything up and it'll die and we'll. all go back back to.

our people and say, oh look, I tried to. do this. I voted for this bill, but you. know, I didn't get a I didn't get a. dadgum break, you know, and and look how. tough we are and and or you know, and. and they'll all be up at Kennebunkport. sipping an expensive wine and toasting. each other on their great financial. choices. That's where Bush is from, right? I don't know. Yeah. >> so. Yeah. I think they're from. Kennebunkport, Maine. Yeah, I just threw. that one out. So many places I could. think of. Myrtle Beach, South Carolina for. somebody like me would be pretty cool.

So one of the things about this. disclosure thing, um the documentary Age. of Disclosure, yeah, and you're in that. Um it's really great. If you haven't. seen it folks and you're interested in. the UFO phenomenon, one of the. fascinating aspects about Age of. Disclosure is you got all these insider. people that are all talking about all. these different experiences that people. have had and all this stuff that people. know. And. one subject came up that made a lot of.

sense and it was that. if there have been back engineering. programs and they've have had access to. all this technology and they've had. crashed. vehicles and biological entities and. they've been. all these programs studying this for so. long. They had to have funding. So, if. they had funding, that means they had a. lot of Congress. So, if they had a lot. of Congress, there's misappropriation of. funds. So, you're talking about massive. felonies. So, if they don't have some. sort of amnesty, and this is one of the.

things that's pushed throughout this. entire documentary, is that we need some. kind of mass amnesty. I'm a very skeptical person. I see. something like that, I'm like, "Okay, I. see what you're doing. You are talking. about UFOs so you can get some sort of. amnesty for misappropriation of funds, and that might just be straight-up. fraud." There might be fraud and theft, and you might have moved money into. offshore accounts, and there's must. might might a bunch of shady and.

you could say, "Oh, but we'll tell you. some very obscure information about. UAPs." I don't like that term cuz it was. always UFOs. UFOs that's a that's a. misdirection. I hate that term. I I. >> Why do we need a new name? We don't. >> We've already had that name forever. Let's call it what it is. UFOs is fun. UAPs makes me feels sanitized. >> [snorts]. >> But, if they can give you some you. know, semi-shady. information, now you've got amnesty. Now.

you've got amnesty. And you've got. amnesty for decades of misappropriation. of funds. So, maybe. some of it is real. Maybe a lot of it is. real. Maybe a lot of it is really. back-engineering programs. Maybe they. really have been doing these things, and. maybe they can give us slowly trickle. down some insight as to what's going on. It'll probably take forever if you ever. get anything out of it. But, in the. meantime, all these people that have. made who knows how much money in shady. ways with all this misappropriation of.

funds, and now they're not in trouble. anymore. Yeah. Representative Eric Burlison has a. bill to do just that and it was but it's. it's whistleblower protection is the way. you need to go about that and um. and and he can't he's tried to get it. attached to. bills and he just and we just they just. won't allow it. They won't allow it or. they put it on and kill it in the. Senate. You know, it's the same old. game, Joe, >> [snorts]. >> back and forth. >> Yeah. So, then the other problem that's. brought up in age of disclosure is say.

if you do have a. retrieved craft from wherever, another. planet, another dimension, whatever it. is, from the ocean, whatever it is. And you need to study this thing. What. where are you bringing it to? Most. likely you're going to bring it to a. weapons manufacturing company. 100%. And. so if you do that, well, what about the. other companies? They don't have access. to that? Well, then they can sue. They. can why didn't I get access to that sort. of technology? Why does this person. you've damaged my business or you know,

what have you? You and also people have. probably lied under oath about whether. or not those things exist or what where. they got certain technologies. I mean, there's a bunch of different. reasons why you could see why. logical reasons why you could see why. they would probably try to put the. brakes on disclosure and try to put some. blockades up and try to obfuscate and. make things much more difficult to get. through. I agree. I. 100% and that's why I think these folks.

disappearing and dying unexpect. unexpectedly are Yeah. >> are deleting some of those messages. Yeah, it's. >> And and members of Congress will um you. know, several of the people that have. been involved that are. really heavily into it now, they were. real skeptics. We kind of brought them. in. I needed some skeptics. It couldn't. just all be a bunch of. folks that thought like I did and um and. they're now not skeptics. >> me some examples of like how that. happened? Yeah, well, we had a committee. meeting and um you know, my buddy Eric.

Burlison, for instance, he was he was a. skeptic and um. and and I mean, I'm a skeptic of a lot. of it myself, but I just have been. studying for so dadgum long and he um. you know, he he was in the committee and. and he's asking very. poignant, sharp questions, which is what. you're supposed to do in a hearing. And um. he uh you know, he's he's one of the. biggest advocates now for total release. of every of everything. Matter of fact, he's he's always at the forefront of.

writing legislation when we're doing. something. We're always. me, him, and Luna, um. Jared Moskowitz and the and the on the. Democrat side is is involved in it a. lot. And uh you know, and and other. members will come in and say, "Hey, can. you um. I want to be read into this committee or. whatever, which means I can come on when. we do the UFO stuff." But nothing really. had the impact as that first committee. meeting. And I told people at the end of it, I. was recognized at the end and I said, "The one thing about and Nancy Mace, of.

course, she's involved with this as. well. And one thing um. at the end, I said, you know, I just want y'all to know that that. people do believe you. This is not some. crazy, far-out thing and you all are. have a right to be skeptical and and and. ask questions to your government and get. these answers because. you're we're not going to give it to you. without without y'all with without y'all. being there and and raising these. questions." Well, there's too many. stories from too many credible people, too many people like Ryan Graves, too.

many people like Commander David Fravor. There's too many people that just go, "I. don't know why this person would lie. about this one thing." Can I Can I tell. you one that I got on um. I was in the state legislature with a. guy. and uh. and he was watching. um. unknown aliens or something and they. they filmed you one time and then they. use you for like 3 years. Ancient Aliens. I'm sorry. And so It's. great. that show. I love those guys. They're all great. I love it. I love it. Shout out to Giorgio. Yeah. Giorgio.

Tsoukalos with his crazy hair. I love. that guy. He's I think he's Greek. I. need to get him to Knoxville for for the. Greek Festival. But anyway, he'd be. [snorts] a rockstar there. But so um. uh. again, we're you know, I'm losing my my. train of thought here, Joe. I don't even. smoke weed and I'm losing my train of. thought. What were we talking about. here? Hope you edit some of this cuz I. look like an idiot and I know. We. were talking about disclosure. We were. talking about things that people see. >> Yeah, yeah. I was telling you about the. people. So I I I pick up the phone and. buddy of mine says, "Timbo." And I.

recognize the voice. I said, "Hey, brother, what are you up to?" We were in. the state house together. He said, "I. just saw you on Ancient Aliens." And I. said, "Okay." [laughter] And I thought, "Here it comes, you know.". >> [snorts]. >> "Have you been probed lately?" You know, you you you get that stuff from some of. the guys gals in Congress. And he said, "Can I tell you a story?" And I said, "Sure, buddy." And his voice kind of got. quiet. And I remember he hollered at his. wife. He He said, "Hey.". Said her name. And he said, "Uh. what year was that?" It was when he was. in the Navy. And she said it was And she. gave the date. It was I think in the.

'50s. And [clears throat] he was out on a. boat. And I don't know, you know, battleship from an aircraft carrier. But. anyway, he's out on a boat. And they. were arming a sub with um with nukes. It. was in the early part of that where the. subs could launch nuclear weapons. And they were all out on the deck. And all of a sudden, it got There was just a cloud over them. He said he looked up. and he saw this humongous saucer in the. air. And he said he said, "Timbo." He. said, "If that thing wasn't two block If.

that thing wasn't two blocks long, I'll. I'll kiss your butt." And I said And he. And he described it to me, you know. He. said He gave the color. And he And it was the classic saucer. He. said there was lights coming out of. portals around it. And he said it made. no noise whatsoever. And it just sit. there and hovered. And they just looked. up at it. And then it went. It just went straight up. No noise, no. nothing, no anything. And. then I'm just like, "What the heck was.

that?" You know, and so when they get. back to port, >> [snorts]. >> the guys in the suits come on, the. you know, the so-called men in black. I. just They're just spooks, CIA or. something. Told them, they said, "This is national security. If you talk. about this, uh we'll um. you'll be in Leavenworth the rest of. your dadgum lives." Busting rocks. And. back then, that you know, nobody The. cell phone wasn't invented. Al Gore. hadn't invented the internet yet. >> What year was this? It would have been. in the the '50s. Like '50s, like '50s, I believe [snorts].

or early '60s. So, and then but he gave. me some descriptions. And after this. came out, I mean, my phone, Joe, every. day when this started breaking, I would. get somebody would call me and send me. pictures of something, you know, that's. like a reflection or something, you. know, and "Oh, come out to my house.". All right, I'm afraid I was going to end. up in a freezer in North Carolina or. something, you know. >> [laughter]. >> Be somebody's dinner. And I was like, "Nah, [snorts] I don't want to go out. there and look at it. Just send me a. picture of it." And every day, but then. I get a I got a call from a guy who was. Air Force. And I And I I Googled him.

He's legit. And he told me about a. a sighting he had. He was out He They. were out fishing. in Florida and. and it was near where one of the. military bases was. And this thing. and he described exactly what my buddy. had seen. And this what He saw this in. the um. the early '80s. And late '70s. And he described this. craft that was just hovering and it was. just going along. And these then, you. know, it was just going on a pretty good.

click. He said these jets were trying to. keep up with it. He could tell by the. you know, cuz he's an Air Force guy. And he [snorts] was an officer. And it. was a legitimate. And I've since read. the story that he told, but um. but it was it was. strangely identical. And the And the the. color. the you know, the texture. >> it? It was an off-gray, I believe. And. um And but it didn't really matter, but. it was just the same one that they said.

Could have been chartreuse for all I. know. But, they um but the the the size. and the uh circumference and the um the. the the dome on top and the portal holes. and just everything was just very very. similar to what this guy had told me. about just a few weeks prior. And you. when you see identical things of people. that have no contact with each other, to. me that that says something. And then. with these pilots, I mean, they they're. risking their careers to come forward. And those engineers in Age of Discovery.

that come forward, I mean, their their. reputations and everything are on the. line. >> Right. These aren't rich people. They. can't just retire. No, and they're good. folks. I Yeah. Hung out with them when. came when they had the world premiere, which was something else me standing on. a red red carpet. Uh a little out of. place in that. in at at at a film festival. >> Yeah. No, I'm sure. I avoid those. things. They're weird. But, this uh this. subject when you talk about them uh. appearing over bases, appearing over.

aircraft carriers, appearing over. submarines that have nuclear capability. it kind of makes sense that if you were. from another planet or you were from. another dimension or wherever it is, and. you're monitoring what seems to be the. most intelligent species and the most. capable species on the planet, that when. they would get access to something like. that, like all the UFO sightings ramped. up considerably after World War after we. dropped the bombs we dropped the bomb.

Yeah, there was uh a considerable amount. of activity. You know, that's when. Kenneth Arnold first saw those things. and talked about them as flying saucers. >> saucers the first time. >> Washington state, something like that. >> They looked like said it looked like s-. >> stones skipping across the like little. saucers. Yeah, so that's where the term. first got. introduced into the modern world. And. then you see so many of them and then. you hear these stories about them going. flying over nuclear bases and hovering.

over and shutting down the equipment. And just the fact that they would hover. over that submarine and then take off. just to let you know. Like that's. probably. >> do. That was probably a smart move if. you if you don't want to completely. intervene and like kidnap people and. shut down the government and land on the. White House lawn and freak everybody. out. What better way than to take something. that's completely isolated like a. submarine in the ocean where you know. everybody's going to lock everything. down top secret and just show yourself.

and just like, "Hey like we're. here. We're here and we are watching. everything. So don't do anything. stupid." You know, well you talked about. that that that issue or episode. I. remember when they um. I first I've never been invited back of. course, but the um intelligence. committee when they did the UFO thing. [snorts] and there was they had these. all these seats and that was an open to. the open to the. everybody, Congress and the press and. everybody. And they had all these seats.

behind these this white black this white. guy and this black guy who were. appointed to oversee the UAP issue which. um. and I remember it I thought I'm going to. get there early get to see damn front. And I sat right behind those guys and. nobody else showed up. I was the only. member of Congress outside of the. members in the in the um. in the on the committee and Joe, those. guys couldn't spell UFO. I mean, they. were intelligent. They were um. They're I'm sure they're patriots. They.

had no clue about anything. So there's. questions asked about certain incidents. and. uh. we don't know anything about that. You. know, and I thought to myself that's. when the compartmentalization. came to in my mind how they. compartmentalize this stuff because to. them they could take a lie detector test. and say I don't know anything about it. because they are kept away from it. It's. like they're looking down the barrel of. a .22 rifle man. It's just a little. bitty area and they don't get outside. that area and they don't ask questions. and they don't unless they're told.

Well, and if you want to keep your. career that's how you have to operate. >> And your pension and everything. Absolutely. It makes sense. That that. aspect of it makes sense. What doesn't totally make sense is. why now disclosure other than. >> [snorts]. >> I mean just being cynical the Iran war. is not going very well. American public. is very upset. A lot of people don't. think we should have ever been involved. in that in the first place and we need. some good news. I think we uh. some.

We need something to distract us. We. need something to take our focus off of. If I was going to do it now would be the. time I'd do it. But I I don't think. Trump really even cares. I think he just. wants to get it out there. >> think he does too. You know, he's talked. about it like and he's also. >> I mean I don't think he cares about. about. trying to get a everybody off off target. you know by by disclosing UFOs. I think. he cares about all of it but I don't. think he cares that if you're talking. about it or not. I just think he he. genuinely sees that America needs to.

know this stuff. >> Well, he also realizes America wants to. know it and he's an outsider. I mean. even though he's the president he is in. a lot of ways he's an outsider and. I mean this is his last term, right? So. it's like if you're going to if. someone's going to do it, do it. You. want to leave a legacy? Be the guy who. releases all these files. >> to kill him three times. So you know, it's not and that ain't no. Did you see that judge that apologized. to the guy that Did you see the story? No. Okay, the guy who was at the White.

House Correspondents Dinner that shot. one of the Secret Service agents and the. guy got arrested. >> Yeah. The judge who's dealing with the. case apologized to him for his treatment. in jail. >> [laughter]. >> Do you have that, Jamie? See if you can. find that. It's. >> have gotten some quality stick time. >> This is another guy, this judge also. released another man who was arrested. for threatening to kill Trump. Oh. Trump Derangement Syndrome is real, dude. It's ridiculous.

>> But the way this guy addressed this man, it's almost as if he was condoning it. Look at it. Says the indictment comes. the day after the judge overseeing the. case against Allen expressed grave. concerns about how he's being treated in. jail and apologized to him in court. You're talking about a guy who showed up. with a rifle or a shotgun. >> Shotgun in hand. >> Shot a Secret Service agent, obviously. in the vest. The guy's okay, but. whatever you've been through, I. apologize for the prior week. Magistrate. Judge Zia Faruqui,

I don't know if I'm saying that right, said during a hearing in Washington D.C. on Monday. According to the court. documents filed over the weekend, Allen. had been in solitary confinement Oh, poor baby. At the D.C. jail after being. placed on suicide watch after his arrest. on April 25th. His lawyer said that he. was housed in a permanently illuminated. safe cell with no access to personal. items or jail visits despite repeated. assessments showing he did not exhibit. any suicide factors. In an order issued on Sunday,

Faruqui wrote that he had grave concerns. about the conditions Allen was being. kept in, which he said were seemingly. unprompted by the facts of the case. It. could drive a person crazy to be in that. situation, Faruqui said during Monday's. hearing. That is really crazy. That is That is. really a crazy thing. to apologize for someone who was trying. to. at least assume you're you're assuming. he was trying to kill the president. >> been programmed to do this. He.

immediately turns. you know, from one way to the other. overnight almost and this is. and we're seeing this more and more, I. think. What do you mean the guy's been. programmed? I think these people are um. [snorts]. You don't mean like MK Ultra type. programming? >> 100%. Really? I think so, but it's a. different you know, MK you're the expert. on it. I'm not really. >> Well, >> Don't say that. Yeah, >> [laughter]. >> no. Yeah, I don't want to get you bumped off. here. >> knows what [clears throat] I feel about. it.

>> somebody else go start your car when you. walk out there and wait 30 minutes. But Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> No, I know nothing. But you know, that the. CIA they they were grabbing these people. up and giving them I guess acid or LSD. or whatever and then programming them. and then. then they said they weren't doing it and. then they got sued and they said, "Oh, we we lied. We were doing it, but. we're not doing it anymore." Now, which. time are they not? There's Here's my. thought on this. I think you've got a. bunch of people today because of this. it's just open up open up your head and.

pour it in and they can put these things. out to people just enough to where they. know. that there's going to be a reaction. There's some people you and I are going. to read this stuff and go, "Huh." You. know, and there's some people that are. just going to stay awake at night and. just fume. I I know people that read. stuff and they'll call me and text me. and say, "Can you believe this?" And I'm. like, "Dude, man, I live this stuff. Cool out. We're. good. We're okay." And I think that. these folks they know who they are and. they can they can target them. You know, how many of these people are going to be. Are we going to find that have no.

internet access, have no history of. being on the internet? >> Right. Like Thomas Crooks. >> Yeah, that's just that's just total BS. Total BS. Oh, we couldn't We'd let him. on the roof and you know, and and then. you. >> Also, they couldn't get snipers on that. roof cuz the slope was too steep. >> had we had members of Congress that are. older than I think I think Darrell Issa. was there. Um. I know [snorts] um. a couple other guys were there, too. I. mean, he's an older guy. He's older than. me. I think he was walking around up on. it, you know, and.

that's bogus. That's totally bogus. They. put Trump in a bad position, and you. know, that's the thing you'll never. know. >> Well, there's another thing we should. talk about. There's another thing we should talk. about. There's a lot of people running. around out there saying that that first. Trump assassination was a setup and that. it was a hoax and that Trump did it to. try to get people to be more sympathetic. to him. Anybody who says that doesn't. know anything about guns. No. >> Because. the shot was from How far was it? Was it. 140 yd? Somebody was, Jamie.

Um there is not a person on Earth that. could nick your ear at 140 yd reliably. Not only that, but miss other shots. first, kill someone behind you, shoot another. person as well, and just nick his ear. And just by the grace of God, by. just sheer luck, he turns his head at. the right time, and he catches his ear. Okay, 120 to 140 m or 135 to 150 yd away.

during the rally. Uh he was positioned on top of an AGR. International Building, which provided a. clear line of sight to the stage. Just. that alone is a tremendous failure of. security. The fact that they didn't. search and look at these buildings, that. you don't have drones above scanning the. area where you have potential line of. sight. Uh a. easy shot with someone with a scope. And. my my buddy Eli Crane, he's a he's a. sniper. And he said, you know, I could have.

I could have made that shot, you know, because he's a SEAL sniper and my Oh, 100%. >> Cliff, was a Marine sniper, and he said, I could have probably done it with steel. sights, Tim. Well, he Did Did the man. have steel sights or did he have a. scope? >> did have steel sights. He. >> So, he didn't have a scope. >> Uh-uh. And the the thing to me is that. uh. he [snorts] got up there and people were. pointing at him. It was just a complete. Is it a breakdown? It You think is it a. breakdown? It's a breakdown if I if if. Tim Burchett sneaks into the back of a a. Lynyrd Skynyrd concert and gets close to.

the stage. That's a breakdown. That to me is a complete capitulation. They put Trump out there and there's. people that don't like him. You can say. what you want to about. programming and things. I just think. it's it's it's out there. I think it is. a reality and I think we better people. better wake up because there. Washington D.C. is not a Everybody wants. to call it a swamp. >> Okay, so it does have a it does have a. scope. It does have a scope. Yeah, that's a red dot. Okay. I mean, I don't. know if it's magnified. It says optics.

attached to rail AEMS uh optics. So, [snorts]. I don't know. I'd have to talk to some. of my guys out front about like what. kind of a. what kind of a sight that is, what kind. of optics that is. I don't know if it's. magnified or if it's like pistol optics. But either way, even if it's just if he's prone. and he's got a rifle and it says uh. yeah, check it out, Jamie. >> [clears throat]. >> I think that's just the um the setup.

though. I don't think that's actually. the uh I think AEMS optics AEMS optics. are. >> [snorts]. >> the optics. Right on. model. modified with a collapsible stock. >> AEMS red dot sight. Yeah, so it's a red. dot. I don't know if that's magnified. I. don't think that's magnified. I think. >> yeah. I think that's just like what you. get on a pistol. It just makes it a. little bit more accurate. You know, I've. seen pictures of him just walking across. an area and you could tell he was.

carrying something that was fairly long. >> Well, not only that, he was walking. around the site with a rangefinder. Yeah. Oh, and he Are you playing golf? He'd earlier put a drone up, I think. Yeah. So. you're. >> If you're not playing golf and you have. a range finder, you're trying to shoot. something. That's it. That's the only. two reasons to use a range finder. You're playing golf, you're doing. archery, or you're trying to shoot. something with a rifle. >> [snorts]. >> You know. >> No other time. But, these guys just keep. doing this. And I. And I know I think we're going to have a. hearing on that. Not on that particular. case, but just on what the CIA is doing.

and and how they could do that today. Well, they most certainly can do that. today if they could do that in the. 1960s. There's a fantastic book called. Chaos by Tom O'Neill. It's all about the. Manson family. Have you ever read it? >> I've seen it. I haven't read it. >> It's phenomenal. And it's mind-blowing. You You read it and you and it all. documents Jolly West and the MK Ultra. program and what they did with Jack. Ruby. And they visited Jack Ruby after. he shot Lee Harvey Oswald. And Jack Ruby. went insane and had a complete psychotic.

breakdown and said they're lighting Jews. on fire. And he was like going nuts. >> Yeah. >> And was sane before Ruby visit visited. him. This guy was known to be using LSD. on people, unknowing people. They They. ran Operation Midnight Climax, which is. where the CIA actually ran brothels. They had two-way mirrors. And they had. these uh supposed prostitutes give these. Johns alcohol that had LSD in it. And. then they'd monitor them. They were They. were doing that with people, unsuspecting people, dosing them up,

trying to figure out how and what. techniques they could use to manipulate. people and to get people to do things. they wanted them to do. That's what the whole Manson family was. all about. And what the Manson family. that what those killings did, the. Tate-LaBianca murders, what they did was. they turned people against hippies. Like. people had this idea of hippies being. peace and love and like, "Oh, it's a new. world." And everyone's just going to do. acid and hug each other and drop out of. society. >> And then then it was all of a sudden. became, "No, they're psychotic killers. and they're demonic and you know, and.

this is what we have to think about. We. need to ban all these drugs." And that's. what they did. And it's kind of. fascinating that they were able to do. that and do that for so long. And if it. wasn't for the Freedom of Information. Act request, and if it wasn't for. finding those documents that they found. that were just in storage Right. that. detailed all this, we wouldn't have any. knowledge of this stuff. Most of that. stuff disappears. I'm sure there's a. bunch of stuff that we have I think this. is just the tip of the iceberg. There's. probably a ton of those things that have. gone on that they successfully hid. And.

they got sloppy with this and Jolly West. seems like he was a completely insane. person. And you know, how could you not. be if you're like running around dosing. people with acid? Running fake whorehouses? I mean, it's. nuts. The whole story is nuts. But the. idea that they go, "Hey, we shouldn't do. that anymore.". No. >> Even though it was successful, that that. doesn't track. It doesn't track with how. anything works. It doesn't track with. human nature. It doesn't track with how. the government works. The idea that they. don't have people right now. And also,

how many people are voluntarily on. psychiatric medication that alters them? And then without any sort of formal. program like MK Ultra, just using bots, just using AI, just using people's. algorithm to turn them, radicalize them. in certain ways. Like, of course they're. going to do that. Of course they're. going to try to figure out what they can. do, what they can how they can shift. narratives in one direction or another. I mean, [snorts] that's what they do.

And Trump's a a threat to their machine. Of course. >> I don't ever think we're ever. find the answer to it. I don't think. we're ever somebody's going to come. forward and. maybe in. in our lifetime they might, but by the. end of it we'll be gone again. Well, where's the toxicology examination on. Thomas Crooks? Let me find out what he. was on. >> minute, they cremated him. Yeah, they. cremated him really quickly. Not only. that, like, why was his place. professionally scrubbed? He didn't even. have silverware in his house. He had no. computers. He had no social media.

>> no internet footprint at all. And then. they found stuff that led them to. believe that maybe he had international. accounts, but he didn't have any you. know, he just It's constant, constant, and it just happens over over every. course of every time. >> Not only that, but they documented. metadata that tracked specific phones. from the Virginia area out near where. the FBI area is to his home multiple. times. Why? He's a kid. He's just a a. young weirdo kid, and someone's visiting.

him His parents. >> over and over again. >> were allegedly counselors, I think. And. that makes the whole thing even that. much more mysterious. >> [gasps and sighs]. >> It's all weird, and we don't have any. answers, and no one's asking questions. It's like, bye-bye, went away. >> You ask the questions, you're still not. going to get the answers. Right. I mean, that will be one of those things that. 30, 40 years from now people are going. to be reading books about it going, "What the hell was going on?". >> the Kennedy assassination. You know, in. the Kennedy assassination we had a a. committee meeting on that, and [snorts].

I asked a question from this doctor who. was in the. um in the emergency room where they. brought Kennedy in, and he he clearly he. brought he brought a poster in to show. that clearly that the bullets had come. from two different directions. And that. was and so it had to be two bullets. It. couldn't have been a a very quick. ricochet, Yeah. >> obviously. And um the whole thing. I you know, and no press, nobody covered. it, nothing. To me that was blockbuster. news. I thought that would have been But. hey, again, the big boys didn't see fit.

to put that out, and that and there we. are. Well, just the magic bullet theory. alone, like shut up. That bullet's. ridiculous. >> is a. uh it's called a Mannlicher carbine. It. was I got one, actually. It's a I think. it's 7.62 Italian. It's called the only. gun that never won a war. You could go. into a Western Auto and bought an M1. with scopes on it and made a much better. shot than that thing. I mean, the whole. thing just stinks, and the gun they show. holding up and the gun that they had. later, you know, the whole thing is just.

screwy. Screwy. And cuz we didn't ask. questions back then. Yeah, well, no one. had information. So, what questions. could you even ask? And there's a great. book on it called Best Evidence by David. Lifton, and he was an accountant that. was hired to go over the Warren. Commission Report. And he started. finding all these inconsistencies and. contradictions in the Warren Commission. Report. So, then he wrote this book on. all the different things that are wrong. with the Kennedy assassination and all. the different things that we've been. told that couldn't possibly be true. And.

it's very disturbing, including how many. people that were witnesses that died. Witnesses at the scene in, you know, in. Dallas that died from weird. circumstances and the odds of those. people dying, car accidents, suicide, murder, robbery, all It's just too. strange. >> they can't find anymore that were in. those pictures. Mhm. >> You know, Yeah. Dealey Plaza. >> They cleaned up a lot of the loose ends. Quick. Yeah. But back then, you know, again, you couldn't ask the questions. You didn't have the internet and. announce. But that I think.

But nobody's even talking about it. You. can't get anybody to bring up anything. on Trump getting shot or other than they. put out it's a fake, you know, it's it's. it's ear healed itself and all this. stuff, you know. >> Listen, his ear was clearly bleeding. He. got shot in the ear. You can see the. blood come out right away. It's dripping. down the side of his face. And the the. idea that that's a setup, you cannot be. that accurate. You definitely can't be. that accurate with a red dot at 140. yards. You can hit him, you could. definitely hit him center mass, no. problem. He maybe even you hit him in.

the head if you're really good and. you're prone, but nicking his ear like. that on purpose and to be there and say, "Hey, I just want you to nick my ear, just a little piece." Like that's. there's not. >> the top. >> There's not a chance No way. that that's. a fake. And the guy behind him's dead. So, what are you saying? You think. that's fake? Like that's a setup? >> lost his life. Yeah, that's crazy. The. whole thing's crazy. But it's just this. thing where people hate him so much and. the narrative in the media this Trump. derangement narrative that you see in. the media is so strong and people are so.

programmed by it and. for the average person that has a. very involved job, you're working all. day and then you have a family and you. have a life and you have you don't have. time to really go into depth about. what's real and what's not real. And you. got that Russia collusion stuff shoved. down your throat by mainstream media for. years and you believe all of it. 100%. >> And so you really believed that he's a. terrible person, a Russian agent, all. these different So you want someone to. kill him. Yeah, there's there's a group.

of folks, young folks that are starting. to ask some questions. >> Yes. You know, [clears throat] my wife's. son, Tyler, um he lives on the farm there with us. and he um he's been asking me. inquisitive questions because because of. he doesn't buy it. And a lot of those. kids in that generation, I'm glad I. don't know if it's the Charlie Kirk. effect, I don't know what that is. >> a good That's a has a definitely effect. on it cuz a lot of people don't buy that. story either. But it's also the. internet. The internet has there's. enough independent reporters out there. that are untied, independent journalists.

that are untied to any organization that. has a narrative they're supposed to push. and they're uncovering real information. that's screwy. Right. >> It doesn't make any sense. Well, and. also when they do though, they get. they get trounced upon by the so-called. mainstream media. >> And but their numbers, I mean, my gosh, I read somewhere the. the amount of. that the amount of media or the amount. of information people get from the. mainstream media is is just is. diminishing. Well, COVID sunk them. The way they handled COVID and the way.

they carried water for the. pharmaceutical drug industry. >> Oh, >> And Fauci. And the yeah, Fauci and now. he's going to walk. Is he going to walk. because there's some talk about him. possibly being set up for perjury, but. there's only a week to go. >> a week to go. I just don't He'll get a. stern letter from somebody in. Washington. Oh. That drives me crazy, man. That's how you know, the big boys, you go down to the the big hardware. chain and they were allowing people to. go in, but they closed down the little. local ones and they closed the churches. and the synagogues and everybody down. Yep. And then we just all got in line.

They just rang the bell. We're like. Pavlov's dog and we just all got in. line. I remember at my hospital in. Knoxville, one of them, I came out there. and. you know, to get tested. I got tested. I. can't tell you how many times I got. tested and I never tested positive. I've. never took the vaccine or any of that, but I can remember coming out there and. they had these um morgues they were. setting up just in anticipation of of. what and I just thought [snorts]. man, this is if this doesn't work out, this is the ultimate psyop cuz people. are going to get rich off this crazy. thing and they did. You know, we um.

Greatest transfer of wealth. Unbelievably. Unbelievably, yeah. And. Congress just did it. We just did it and. didn't ask any questions. Well, it seems. like there's a real pandemic right now. on this cruise ship. You know about that. hantavirus? That seems really crazy. So. and ticks. Watch that thing. >> The tick thing is nuts. Yeah. Because of. mate cuz of Gates. Uh-huh. Um Well, there's boxes of ticks. >> are finding. I don't know if this is. true because I've seen many reports on. it, but I'm just going to say what I saw. that farmers and ranchers are finding.

boxes of ticks on their property. Now, I. don't know if that's fake. I don't know. if someone's setting that up to pretend. that they found these boxes of ticks, but there's videos of these people. finding boxes of ticks. >> Now, what they'll say is they'll. probably say they're sterile ticks and. that we're planting them out there so we. can diminish the population is what. they'll say, but anytime they try to. mess with the balance of nature, it. never goes right. >> Is that what they're saying? This is. really We're getting ready to No, we're. just getting ready. That's I'm getting. it you're getting it right here. I don't.

believe you have a a right to go to. someone's property and drop off sterile. ticks. No way in hell. >> That's crazy either way, but I have a. good friend of mine who got bit by the. lone star tick and has that alpha gal. problem. Yeah, a kid a guy came out to. my house yesterday looking at putting. gutters up at our house. And that guy. said and I said, "You did what?" He. goes, "Yeah, I can't eat anything any. meat produced by a mammal." Yes. >> like Yeah. I just. >> So my buddy, he had it and my friend. Evan, so he he had it for a little while.

and then he did a bunch of treatments. and got off of it and then started. eating steak again and he was fine for. about a year and a half and then it came. back stronger than ever and he just. can't shake it. He's been around that. long. See Oh yeah, he can only eat eggs. I mean he's basically eating eggs and. vegetables. That's all he's eating. And. every time he tries to deviate, he has a. horrible reaction. It It makes For. people that don't know, it makes your. body allergic to red meat. Right. And. who has got genetically made meat now? >> Yeah. Bill Gates. Yeah, well they're.

doing things with mosquitoes and they're. doing they're they're messing around. with nature in a way that no one's given. you permission to. The general public. does not want you doing this. If they. could vote on it, they'd say, "No way. You You can't. >> those those beagles that they showed. that Fauci. I grew up with beagles. Sport number. one, sport number two. They are the best. dogs ever and my Buzz was. he's a Cavalier mix, but he was we think. I'm not really sure, but he was a rescue. dog and that poor thing had never been.

on grass and I see those dogs acting. just like poor Buzz. He couldn't climb. stairs and he. was mistreated and he can't hear very. well and he's the sweetest dog dog and. those freaking beagles. I just that rips. my heart up because there's Right now. I've talked to scientists in the labs. and they think there's everything we can. do now we can do in the lab without. pretty much without. >> Without cruelty. >> Without cruelty, without. you know, bringing in beagles and why. beagles? I just the whole thing just. stinks to me. >> It's very evil. I mean, look, I don't.

even like it when they do it with rats. Yeah. But doing it with puppies is. insane and then euthanizing them after. you've forced them to be incinerated. It's horrible. Yeah, he did some evil stuff. He's and he lied. Like clearly lied lied. to the American people about. transmission, lied to the American. people about preventing infection. I can. remember when they brought him to. Congress. And um. brought him into a meeting I was in and. I was in the back. He's a little short. guy and I was like, "Who the heck is. that?".

He said, "That's Fauci." And they. brought him in and everybody started. cheering. I thought. I got I thought I had a bad vibe on him. then. And then um he talked to gay. folks, you know, he was involved in the. AIDS. >> AZT Yeah. Yeah. >> And um. they got a bad feeling towards him. Sure. I mean, he's the culprit. He's the. villain in that movie, the Dallas Buyers. Club. That's about him preventing people. from taking alternative medications. That sound familiar? Yeah, exactly what. they did during COVID. >> now we're doing it. I was um. I was in Blount County yesterday for a.

police officer's memorial service and an. officer came up and said, "You know, my. my child is suffers from a rare disease. and and we can't get to this treatment. and can you can you put a bug in the. president's ear?" I said, "Well, sure, you know, we'll try." But and Trump's. doing that a lot now with and RFK yeah, RFK Jr. people they they'll try to trash. him and that's fine. He's a tough guy. But um. he um. a lot of those trials now are going. forward, cancer and other things. And.

and that's another reason they don't. like Trump. Man, you talk about I mean, you got big pharma, you got big. agriculture. and um. you know, and a couple others and they. they run the they run the table, Joe. They run the table and they I told. somebody I you know, and of course big. energy oil you know, we get zero. I know. it's a commodity and I'm going to get. lit up that oil's a commodity in it, you. know, the world market. But we get zero. oil from Iran. Zero. We we export oil.

right now. And yet the price is going. through the roof. It's going through the. roof because it can. They can. And I. always say, well, it how does that gasoline in the pumps. go up? It's been in the They've already. been processed, already been paid for. How does it go up exponentially just. overnight, 20 cents a gallon or. whatever? And how does that And And if. that's because it's a commodity and. virtue you don't understand, how come. that quart of oil that you at the. hardware store doesn't go up like that?

Wouldn't it It's processed oil. Wouldn't. it do the same? And of course. diesel is your first cut I think's. kerosene. Then it's diesel. And diesel and I've. got a diesel dooley. I filled it up. yesterday. It's over $100. You know, it. is the cheapest It is the roughest cut. You know, that's why you have these. incredible filters. because it's dirty. And gasoline is the third or fourth cut. and it ought to be the most expensive, but it's not.

I just think it's a racket. And every. time they they'll hold the hearings and. they'll come down there and. and you know, and the oil companies will. you know, they'll shake that money tree. They know how to do it on both sides of. the aisle. It happens all the time. I. remember when Bush was leaving office, before Obama took office, where gasoline. just went through the. through the roof. The pri- Everybody was. freaking out and no one could explain. it. And it was just I was like, look, they can. This is like the last chance. they can to just jack up the prices,

jack up the profits, hold everybody. hostage. You have to get gas. You got to. drive to work. You got an old man in the. White House. Yeah. And they just jacked. it up. It's payoff time. I just uh. And it's And you know, and I'm a. capitalist. I'm a heartless capitalist. I make skateboards. Um and. >> skateboards? >> Yeah. Yeah. It's cheaper than a. psychiatrist. >> [laughter]. >> I got I'm I guess I'm a little bit like. Trump. I like ketchup on my steak. Although I think he gets his well done. I get my medium-rare. But, um. >> You put ketchup on your steak, you. should go to jail.

>> Does a Baptist church got a bus? >> That's terrible. >> do. Yes, they do. Anyway, no, I make. skateboards. So, I make this crazy. skateboard for um for um. >> [snorts]. >> Tulsi Gabbard. She's a buddy of mine. She's she's she's kind of a I love her. >> I love her, too. She is wonderful. And. she's from Hawaii. So, in Trump's first. Oh, that's. >> There it is. Oh, okay. I made that. skateboard. >> skateboard? >> Yeah, well, I put my sticker on it. It's. made out of bamboo, oak, and banana. fibers off the banana plant. Oh, wow. >> And um and she she outs me during the um.

Trump's first There's my guys at Bludo. Sports. They put my wheels and trucks. on. It's just a They're guys I was in. high school with. Um. Do you skate? Yeah. Oh, yeah, but I. don't do the fancy stuff. I just. >> tricks? Uh not anymore. I'm 61, dude. I. don't heal like I did when I was 51, much less than I was a young man. >> You're only a few years older than me. Well, you look good. Thank you. >> Sorry, man. I'm just You know, people. think I'm on steroids, but I'm naturally. this huge. >> [laughter]. >> So, so you see Tulsi says, "Burchett." I. said, "Hey, Tulsi." She says, and she's.

walking in there to the State of the. Union, cameras, people around, "Where's. my dadgum skateboard? My birthday's next. month." I'm like, "Oh, crap." So, I make. her this skateboard, right? And that. picture comes out. I mean, people all. over the world are saying, "Where can I. get a Burchett board? Where can I get a. Burchett board?" So, I'm Mr., you know, I'm trying to be. ethical and you know, and uh. I I walk I go down to see the ethics. guy, and this little attorney he tells. me, he says, "Well, Congressman, you. know, you got to you can't do that. You. can't call it a Burchett board. You.

can't, you know." I said, "Well, my. wife's got own the company.". And they think, "Well, maybe." And then. you But, you can't work there. And all. this other stuff. And you know everybody. down there's got a side hustle. Right. >> And I've said, "Dude, so you're telling. me I can do insider stock trading, but I. can't sell a dadgum skateboard?" And the. guy said, "That's correct.". So, anyway, I I about 35 skateboards in. my barn. I just keep making them and and. I call my attorney and. >> You make them yourself? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I say, it's cheaper than a psychiatrist. >> So, you make them by hand? >> Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you know,

I have a That's pretty cool. >> them I'm cheap, but so I make them out. of a bamboo that I cut uh. buddy of mine, Chris Pointers, got a. bunch at his house, but I I go to the. synagogue behind the synagogue on. Kingston Pike, there's a bunch of bamboo. and they used to let me cut it. Now, with this air they probably won't, but. um. >> [laughter]. >> and then I I get oak pallets. and um and banana fibers that grow off. the banana plant, so. And is this. laminated at all? Yeah, well, I used. fiberglass with that and I'm trying to. get away from the carcinogens, you know,

the cancer causing, so I I use uh. Titebond III glue. It's waterproof and. water-based. And then um and then I just. sand them all down and cuz, you know, you scuff them up after you ride them. around anyway, so. Anyway, so I make them out of that and I. laminate the wood and um. my local the steel laborers. um they needed a project one year when I. was mayor of Knox County and I. and somebody said, "Hey, they want to. These guys want to make a a skateboard. press." They said, "Do you want one?" I. said, "Yeah, I'll buy the metal." And.

I'm thinking, you know, they're going to. build me this little thing. No. I mean, it's like three burly union metal. workers have to put this thing in the. back of my dadgum pickup truck. It is a. monster and it um and I can press them, but um and I've got clamps and I do all. of it, but anyway. That's pretty cool. Yeah, but I but I can't but I can't sell. them. That's very My wife's like, "What are you doing out there, honey?" I. said, "Well, come out there and look at. my boards, honey. I'm making. skateboards." And I say I say and she. always there. Good job out there. That's. one I.

that is this one I laminated up, but um. or it's side laminated, but That's very. cool. >> says, "Honey, you go to it." She says, "I'm sure they laughed at the guy that. created the pool noodle." That's her. line. Always think of them. >> [laughter]. >> Probably, right? >> Kelly said, "Oh, yeah, yeah, it was just. a piece of insulation off some old. rental house and he threw it in the his. kids were swimming with it and he. thought, "Man, I'm going to take that. 12 cent piece of foam, take it to. Walmart, and sell it for $6 a piece.". Now, he's probably sitting on some. island somewhere laughing at us. but no, I make them and I've been trying. to.

Anyway, it's very frustrating. I got a. meeting with the attorneys um and the. chairman of the ethics committee who is. a really good guy, you know, I came to. Congress together and we're trying to. work it out, so. >> not even that it's a lot of money in. handmade skateboards. No, I mean The. fact that you could have insider trading. and you can't sell handmade skateboards. is. That's ridiculous. >> ridiculous, isn't it? It's also it's. like. what? Because you're famous? Because. you're on television? Somebody's going. to yeah, are going to sway my vote cuz. they bought a dadgum skateboard from me.

Yeah, I I took one to an auction and and. and I think somebody paid $5,200 for one. of those dadgum Woah. And then some. other guy that comes up and says, "Tim, I was at the bar and I missed it. If I. give him $5,200, will you make me one?". So, I got a couple and then my friends. in Claiborne County, um the uh the. mountains up there they um. they. uh. they chair the committee and they asked. me and then somehow I thought I was. making one and then and I got out of. there I was making three, so I don't. know. And then I uh you people just like.

them and they put them on their wall. I. mean, you know, you're not going to be. in the Olympics with Tony Hawk. go, "Hey Tim Burchett, will you make me. a board?" You know, but it's it's just. for cruising down the sidewalk kind of. thing. That's awesome. That's awesome. It sucks. that they won't let you sell it though. That's. >> Yeah. You sell your cell but I can't sell a. skateboard. Speaking of selling, um you were telling. me earlier before we started and I said. save this cuz I want to talk about this. later Yeah. that the Taliban gets how. many millions of dollars a week?

>> About $40 million a week, um. it all happened I was on a. um. uh. podcast and they were talking about it. and um. Sean Ryan And he had he after. >> that dude. Yeah, great American. Love. him. He's He's. >> He's a good Christian man. He's been. through it. You know, he's an incredible. guy uh, that they've asked to do. horrible things. And people like that, I give them a wide. path. I let them slide on a lot of. things, but he's he's a good daddy and.

and, um, you know, he he just and he he. he worries about our country. Reminds me. a lot of my dad cuz dad was you couldn't. wake my dad up um, till the day he died over the top of. him. Always by his big toe. Cuz he cuz. he might wake up on one of those islands. Ooh. pin me against the wall. Right. Marine on Peleliu and Okinawa and Yeah. Daddy's colonel was a guy named Chesty. Puller, Colonel Puller. You can look him. up. He was a Marine Corps legend, but. and my daddy loved him. But, um, anyway, the, um, I'm I'm on this podcast.

with Sean and he says, "Hey, I want you. to introduce Eli Crane. He's a He's a. Excuse me, Navy SEAL in Congress." He. said, "I want you to go on this podcast. with Sean Ryan." I said, "I don't know. who Sean Ryan is. I don't I'm not a. podcast guy. I don't My daughter always. give me your phone." I don't know how to. do it and all of a sudden I got a cool. picture of her on there. I don't even. know how she did it. But, so I'm on. there and, um, and he calls me and says, "I want you to. meet with this guy. He goes by the name. Legend." And that's not his real name,

but, um, he, um, he he comes up he comes into the office. and he has to he can't use his real. name. And, uh, and says, "Look, they're. getting $40 million a week." I said, "Who is?" He said, "The Taliban." And. he's a he's a um, Afghani. that fought for us. And so, he's dual. citizenship. Enter, you know, I talked. to the. last democratically elected president of. Afghanistan through him on a. on a call. And, um,

and he's a dear friend. And he comes by all the time and we talk. and and so, John Stout in my office, who's like. he's the best. I mean, this guy. his mom and daddy were in a very tragic. car accident and they. they prayed through it and and they both. lived. I mean, daddy had to get, you. know, he was he was banged up and his. mom's head got banged up pretty bad and. John's just he's he is the. quintessential staffer because he's so. loyal and he loves his country. And so. he said, "Boss, I think I got an idea.".

I said, "All right." So, he figured out. this monitoring thing where. what they do is they they send they send. pallets of cash to them through whatever. and they. there's three banks in um. over there that are owned by the. Taliban. And everything goes through them. You. know, the Lord takes 10% with tithe and. but the Taliban takes a hell of a lot. more. They take it right off the top and. on ingress and egress. If you. give them money or take money away I.

mean, or if you spend money or put money. in or whatever, you take in or pay out, they get their cut off of it every dead. gum time. And so. I'm thinking this can't be right. So, I got a memo on my desk from the State. Department. It's stamped classified. So, I can't talk about it. But then it's. stamped unclassified under it. So, I can. talk about it. And it basically said. under the Biden administration they. think we gave them five billion dollars. with a B, five billion dollars. Now, and you've got NGOs. Now, how many.

NGOs you think operate out of over. there? Uh how many? Over a thousand. And then. you throw in the United Nations and the. Out of Afghanistan? >> Yeah, it's just. >> NGOs? >> It's a freaking it's it's the biggest. scam. NGOs, I wrote a letter to the. president months ago and I'm they've. tapped the brakes on the NGOs. I mean, some of them don't have any money and. some of them got a lot. But Elon Musk. told me. like I really know him. I mean, I hung. out with him a couple times and we.

talked. He called me Tim, which I. thought was pretty cool. Um but he says. uh. um. >> [snorts]. >> he says, "Tim, here's how these NGOs. work.". He said, you know, they start out as a. good organization, maybe during Bush one. or Bush two, you know, a lot of those. limousine liberals, do-gooders, you. know, they start these organizations. And they um they set them up and and to. do, you know, feed the starving children. or whatever. Well, they don't have any money in them and. some billionaire who we could we all.

know. you can just name them. They'll drop a. million in one of those. And then this. unelected bureaucrat in Washington, D.C. says, "Hey, they got a million dollars. This place is legit." And so they give. them money. They put the money in there. for them. And then. they start running federal money through. that, yours and my tax dollars. And. he told me he thinks they stole over a. trillion dollars. I thought. at the time I thought that was crazy. But then I start looking at um. uh you know, what happened in uh Minnea-.

Minnesota. 19 billion. Joe, when I went to state legislature, our our state budget of Tennessee wasn't. 19 billion dollars. This years ago, so. it's a lot more than that now, but. that's the the amount of fraud and waste. and abuse that go on. Well, so back back. track to this deal. So I get involved. with it. And um. and. and it it's just. unbelievable. It took me two I I passed. the bill twice. The second time, my.

buddy John Stout in the office there, he. comes up with an even stronger version. And so we send it to the Senate. And so. we find out that there's a. Senate staffer. that uh. somebody said he's like the unofficial. uh ambassador to Afghanistan. He's I've. literally read where he said, "It seem. appears to me complimentary things about. the Taliban.". Now, those people want to kill us. They'll as I like to say, they'll hate. us for free. We don't need to give them. any money. Well, it's like pull It's.

like pulling teeth through my committee, the Democrats are raising a ruckus. And uh because obviously. they don't want anybody looking at those. NGOs. And the NGO money, now get this, it. maybe a little bit goes to feed some. starving kid, but a lot of it gets. washed and it goes back to the good old. United States of America. Are you. familiar with dark money in campaigns? >> Yes. You know, you're and all the folks. back home it it it. the day before the election, the the.

people for American Justice approved. this ad. Did you know Tim Burchett, you. know, pushed his second-grade girlfriend. down in a mud puddle and never. apologized? That's what happened, you. know, and then paid for by the people. for American Justice, you know, you. know, and then but what's happened is is. that money that you're sending over. there is coming back in the form of dark. money. And we've got and and I I I think. both parties are involved with it at. some point. I think. the Democrats have had the. had had a run of it and they've they've. got a they've got it pretty much closed.

They've got a pretty good market going. on it in my opinion. >> [snorts]. >> And there are probably some Republicans. I think I know up there that have some. dark money, too. And uh not necessarily. from this, but from other things. And. then you start talking about the UN. The. UN has got And and everybody say, "Well, that's UN, Burchett. We don't have. anything to do with it." Heck we don't. We sponsor the freaking UN. If it was up. to me, I'd pull out of the dadgum UN. They are nothing. All they do is get. Americans killed. They. they they talk ugly about us and they. take our dadgum money and we let them do.

it because crooked politicians are in. bed Washington is crooked as a dog's. leg, Joe. And this. And this bill makes them report it and. and and follow the money so we know. where it's going. And if it's going to. the Taliban, it's out. And and. >> just explain to me how they would. justify sending money to the Taliban? And what what is. what is the circumstance? Like how do. they justify. >> it by saying it doesn't happen. They justify it by saying it doesn't. happen. But I'm talking to a guy that's.

got legend who's got people on the. ground and and the people over there the. the freedom fighters saying, "Please. quit sending them money. Please." And. you know, they. when we left over there, you know, we. left how many billions of dollars worth. of of armaments on the ground. They. said, "Oh, uh you know, I mean I I heard. Democrats saying, well, those people. can't fly those high-end choppers.". Well, you know who could? The dadgum. Chinese who were on the ground before we. got out of there. Right. So, it's it's. just a crooked game. It's a small.

portion. I know. But explain, how's the money getting to. them? Okay, it is sent to them um. through these NGOs and other. organizations. And so So, we fund the. NGOs. Correct. >> The NGOs send money to the Taliban. Why. why would they do that? Cuz they get a cut off of it. They don't care. Okay. So, the Taliban. gets 40 million, and then they send that. money back? >> Some of it comes back, and some of it. doesn't. Um.

But as long as they get a piece of it, they don't care how much the Taliban. gets. >> It This requires a report on any cash. assistance programs in Afghanistan and. how the US keeps the Taliban from. assessing that. And it requires a report. on the Afghan fund and the Afghanistan. Central Bank. And these reports, of. course, would shed light on the. Taliban's influence over the Afghanistan. Central Bank. And. you can um you can research it. A lot of. it is is these do-gooder programs. You. know, "Oh, man, we're taking care of the. orphans. We're taking care of this." And. you know good and well they ain't taking.

care of any dadgum orphans. They're. stealing the money to do it. And it just infuriates me. And then I. hear them say, "Well, it's not. happening." I say, "Well, if it's not. happening, then dadgummit, pass the. bill. What's it hurt? What's it hurt? We. pass. worthless legislation every dadgum day. And you know, and I can't get a peep. I. said to Thune when he came in when King. Charles was in which was kind of funny. too. I had a funny conversation King. Charles. By the way, no kings. I'm not a. king. Yeah, yeah, what about that? I was. going to say everybody cheered. What the. heck?

There's a picture of me I I did a video. on my X account at Tim Burchett. See how. I threw that plug in? But um Central. Bank of Afghanistan said it received. another injection of $40 million in cash. this week. And this is literally $100. bills in stacks. Is that real? Is that. what is that a stock photo or is that. them showing a photograph of the money. they received? Cuz I can't imagine. they're sending bricks of cash. >> Oh yeah, absolutely. It's pallets. It's. called a pallet of cash. >> What? I'm reading through this. explanation of it from these reports.

It's uh he's saying exactly what these. are all saying, but this is a lot of And. I'm not as Look. >> explanation in here. I got a I got a mutual fund. I don't. understand all the money, but when I see. here $40 million. going overseas. >> But in cash too is crazy. You just take. it and divvy it up. and. Yeah, this says like. the UN is responsible for purchasing, transporting, and transferring at least. 2.9 billion dollars in US currency to. Afghanistan. This is from 2024, I think. when this was.

>> [laughter]. >> So that they have to find the cash on. you know Call your senator and say I. want this dad gum bill on the floor. >> It's passed the committee and it was. like pulling teeth. It was. cuz apparently I offended somebody which. I'm sure I did now, but But I don't. understand why anybody wouldn't. recognize that giving money to an. organization that hates us, a. fundamentalist religious organization. that hates us. >> a religion. They're not a religion. They're a They're a. a cult or um Yeah, whatever you want to.

call it. Since its first cash shipment. UN has made at least 80 purchases of. cash for transport to Afghanistan. 80. 80 purchases of $40 million. The UN. reported reported that it began. purchasing and shipping cash because of. Afghan's banks' inability to participate. in international wire transfers and. Afghanistan's lack of domestic currency. circulating throughout its economy. Oh, so we got to help them out and give $40. million a week. Yeah, and the starving. kids are still starving and the little.

orphans aren't being taken care of. And. they're still throwing gays off of. buildings and poking little girls' eyes. out. >> gays left? They're I mean they're. >> Well, they're they got to be in the. closet. >> They are in the closet. There's a lot of. that. A lot of pedophilia. I have some. buddies that served over there and told. me some horrible stories. >> Yeah, that guy was going to frag a. Afghan general or something one time he. told me and he used he used to work for. him and he had he had mental issues over. it. Oh, it's horrible. Yeah, I've heard. horrible horrible stories. It's just. >> My dad My dad wouldn't go back to. Okinawa because of if I can digress.

quickly. Uh they Daddy went back for the 50th. anniversary invasion of Peleliu and he. said. I said, "You going to go back to the. 50th anniversary?" Cuz you know, those. Marines that's not a lot of those guys. are left, you know, and they're all gone. now, but he said, "I ain't going to go. back to Okinawa.". And he said he told me this story. He. said, "They came over this hill. and a Corsair caught a bunch of Japanese. out in this field. He's caught Dad. called it a lucky strike. Dad loved a. Corsair. That thing dove at over 400. miles an hour and he just lit them up.

Caught them out. Obliterated them and. they ran up on them and they had been. raping some of the islanders or Korean. girls that they they collected. and and I think that messed with my dad. Of all the stuff he saw, blowing caves, and shooting people up close, and that's what he said, "I won't go. into it cuz I got a daughter that's. going to be watching this thing." But, um. and it was and and that's that's what. scarred my daddy. Aw. You'd have loved him. He was.

Whew. My buddy uh. My buddy Chris Haggerty got a He got a. Acura for Christmas one It was a bright. red Acura and you know Acura's not made. in America at the time and dad goes. "Hag". He says and my daddy was a dean at UT. dean of student kind of goes "Where's. that thing made?" and he goes. "I reckon it's made in Japan CB" and dad. goes "I reckon you're going to be. parking that thing out in the street". daddy just went back in the kitchen Hag. went out and moved his Acura out on the. street. You know nobody messed with my. dad he was.

I remember the neighbor one time she. comes over and said "Somebody's in my. house" and I was like what and I'm. downstairs and I run upstairs and dad. runs by me with a Browning Hi-Power I. mean he's probably 70 years old and he. was clearing that house. He ran in that. house and I remember mom was on the. phone and said "Don't shoot my husband. he's in a blue powder leisure suit". >> [laughter]. >> Oh man he was something else he was uh. Yeah mama was something else too they. were they were they were real Christians. so they weren't bumper sticker kind of.

Christians people would I would. and I to this day I don't like I love. the Waffle House you know it's America's. premier steakhouse and. I go in there and. and I don't I don't like eating. breakfast food any other time than at. breakfast cuz I can always remember as a. little boy daddy would always pick up. somebody on the interstate somebody. broke down black folks white folks you. know anybody and or some UT student that. was having a little rough go and bring. him to the house and there wouldn't be. enough hamburgers for me my brother.

sister and I and then there were five of. us. and but mama could make enough breakfast. and I always knew that daddy had brought. somebody home and we were going to be. eating break we were going to be eating. breakfast for supper and that always. ticked me off as a kid you know I didn't. understand at the time but now I realize. I had pretty cool parents so That's. awesome. Can I show you a cool picture. of my mama? Sure. >> She flew an airplane during the Second. World War she was uh. I was hanging out with Kid Rock one time. and I'm going to use a little language. here Bobby and him and I said I know.

your your thing is you're the American. badass, I said but I was raised by the. American badasses and I got pictures of. dad on Peleliu and Okinawa and with his. Thompson submachine guns. Now here's my. mama, somebody colorized this. She's. just a little country girl. Wow. >> And flying an airplane during the Second. Her brother Roy who was 33 years old got. killed in the hedgerows. Wow. >> She's a beautiful woman, they colorized. that. >> And I I'm an unrepentant mama's boy. That's a crazy picture. Yeah, it's. crazy. She got her foot up and I've got. a picture of my daughter we're at the.

air show and the guy had a biplane over. there and he wasn't going to There it. is. There it is. That's the one Oh, thank you, Jamie. You're the man. But. that's in Nashville. And somebody it was National Women's. Aviators Day and everybody's showing all. these pictures of these women and I I. said, well, I'm going to have to one-up. y'all and I I put that up there and. somebody sent it to me. I didn't know. just a supporter not even in my district. and they colorized it for me. Wow. >> And so I was. I you know, and that company that. I can't read the name off of all the. parachute but I think they're still in.

business and but anyway, that was in. Nashville. You can see they're all in. dirt. And. and the the crazy thing was when she. qualified, I don't know how long how. many how long you got to fly with an. instructor before you solo. Well, they messed up and they did it in. half they they did the math wrong on it. which was crazy cuz mama was a math. teacher but she was a country girl and. she she was she's in it for the fight. and she's a lot like my wife. My wife is. a fighter, too. She woo. Um you don't want to get between her. anybody in our family but but um mama um.

they she soloed in half the time that. she was supposed to. And you know, the war's going on and and. they I've still got her little log book. and and they tried to redo the math on. it and it was wrong but you know, mama. just Daddy said, yeah, I bet she cleared. out a fence row when she landed and then. no, but she was pretty cool. It's got to. be an a a terrible slap in the face of. these people that served in Afghanistan. to find out that the Talibans getting. >> Eli Crane, I just look over at him.

and he's one. beautiful human being. I love Eli Crane. He is my buddy. And um. um. lone survivor um. Marcus Luttrell? Yeah, his brother is a. Morgan? Morgan, yeah, he's the catcher. on our. on our baseball team. And um I was out. there one day and um we were we we we. don't actually practice in the best part. of town. And uh but we've got security everywhere. cuz from when they shot Scalise and all. those guys years back. Um we've got. I feel very secure. And I heard this pop.

pop pop pop. And the and this young officer, DC. officer said. Capitol Police said, "It's okay, guys. I. think it's fireworks." And Morgan took. his hat off and goes, "Burchett, that. was gunfire." And I thought. I'm going with what Morgan says. I'm not. going with this guy up here that ain't. ever fired a shot in anger. And um. and I love those guys. They're wonderful. people. I I I do, too. I I I hurt for. him. I used to hurt for my daddy because. he would um he'd talk about China. They. went to China after the war and he.

fought the communist over there for a. short while. And then um. before he left the Marine Corps, but how. we just turned them over and that he. would talk about that and he would. he would be visibly upset and walk away. because of that. You know, these. we just we want to get these wars over. and we don't we don't. deal with the repercussions. We don't. deal with repercussions of. we got warriors that we need to heal. And we got to you know, and and. it's just very frustrating to me. Sorry. >> you know, kudos to Trump for passing.

this psychedelics bill. >> Oh, good gosh. I saw you on that. I love. that. I I talked cuz I I didn't know. anything about it. Yeah. And I and I. asked um I asked some of those guys. about it before and they said, "Oh yeah, Burchett, it it's I. one of one member confided in me that he. you know, cuz he'd been in some of the. mess. And he and I and I told him I. said, "You know, my daddy was. had anger issues and stuff. He never. beat Mama or me or anybody, but. How could you not? >> Oh, I know it. >> you expect That's the crazy thing. You.

expect this of people to do horrible. things and to see horrible things and. then to come back and just go to the. grocery store. Just be normal. Just sit. in traffic, be normal. I remember one. time we were at a UT football game and I. was a little boy. I must have been four. or five. And uh. and that we on the 50-yard line. It was. in the '60s and they they let you bring. these cowbells and it was the last game. they let you bring cowbells to. I don't. know if you can probably do it now, but. back then they they And so this guy was. sitting behind us and he was drunk. And. he and he took the Lord's name in vain.

And my daddy said, "Hey.". He said, "We got ladies down here." And. you know, my sister who was probably. seven or eight and her and my mama was. there. And the guy said, "Okay." And then the. guy spilled his drink on my dad. And my mama grabbed us all us kids and. just rushed us out. And and I remember I. was like, "No, what's Daddy doing?" You. know? And the UT cops, they loved my. daddy cuz he was Dean of Student. Conduct. He always backed them up. And. they come running down the aisle. And. literally my dad beat these guys' ass, all three of them. Right there on the.

50-yard line at Neyland Stadium. And I. was just a little boy and I was like He. didn't give high-fives back then, but if. I had, I would have given them cuz he. was. he was pretty incredible guy. Well, guys been to war like that man had. and you come back and. >> And it wasn't any different than. thousands of other of his buddies, you. know? They would get together and talk. about stuff and and I you know, we. didn't drink in the house. My mom and. daddy didn't let me have a beer can. collection. And daddy's buddy Red Welch. came over. And Red drank beer at the at.

the dinner table. And it was in the. '80s. I was in I was Gosh, I was getting. ready to go to college. And that was. still no beer in the house. And Red was. drinking beer. And I said, "Daddy, I. said, what's the deal with Red drinking. beer?" And he said, "Buddy." He said, "You get pinned down on one of them. islands and you got you know you're. going to get you're going to. leave this earth pretty soon. There's. one guy that comes running for you. He. can do pretty much whatever he wants to. in your house, and that was Red. I found. an old picture of him and Daddy in China. the other day. But, yeah, Daddy had a.

He had a great life, though. He had a. great [snorts] life. Him and Mom are. both buried at Veterans Cemetery there. in Knoxville. And, you know, to this. day, I'm 61 years old, and if I go up. there, I I I think about them and their. sacrifice, and I cry like a baby. Cuz I. I go to that capital capital, Joe, and I. see people just. that are. just going to throw it all away. Throw. it all away. And to me, that's just. that's that's just unforgivable. Unforgivable. Well, I'm very happy that some of these.

people that have experienced these. horrible things have. have. at least a pathway to relief now. >> Yeah, and that is And and thank you for. getting involved, brother. That is That. was huge. Because. >> Rick Perry. Thank Rick Perry. >> Do what? Thank Rick Perry. Rick Perry. and Brian Hubbard. Because if it wasn't. for them explaining to me what they've. been through and how it's helped people. and all the other people that I know, like Marcus Luttrell was a friend who's. >> Dude, it wouldn't have happened. I I. talked to everybody, and they said it. wouldn't have happened if it wouldn't. have been for you. You used that. microphone for for good, and I.

appreciate it, cuz a lot of people. aren't. Well, I never asked him for. anything. up until that moment. And I was like, if. there's a thing that I could do that. might make the world a little bit of a. better place. And the fact that those. things were made illegal in the first. place is just ridiculous. It should have. never happened. They should have been. studied, and we could understand how. they could help people, especially when. you consider how many people are on. antidepressants in this country. >> It's an epidemic. >> Tim Walz's daughter, the guy who was running for vice. president, his daughter just made a post.

on social media where she was talking. about how she's been on them for 15. years, and she's realizing that they're. a real problem. And she every time she's. tried to get off, it's been devastating. >> Yep. And I know people that have also. been on them that they try to get off. them. Like my friend Theo Vaughn. And. the roof falls off. And like. every time he starts talking about. something that drives him crazy, I just. got to kind of rein him in and just like. calm down. Like. you know, if you've had friends take. their lives and I've had a few. I've had.

quite a few. It's a It's a horrible. feeling when you think about it and you. go, "What could I have done? What could. I have said? How could I have And And so. much so we don't know. My oldest friend in the world, guy named. Scott Davis. He and I were Little Red. Schoolhouse together. His His brother. took his life. And he was He suffered. from depression and this was in the '80s. and we didn't understand it. You know, I. was with a guy yesterday. one of his best friends, Ben Testerman. He was telling me, you know, I I talked to him you know, we.

I came home. He was He's a professional. tennis player and he came home and was. talking to Jeff and he said, you know, he said, "I just feel like I'm in a hole. and nobody gets that." And And And. people will say to them, I hear people. all the time say, say, "Hey, just get over it, man. You know, go for. a jog." Man, there's some freaking. chemical imbalance that we don't know. Something has happened that's jarred. them that we don't understand. And that. is if if there's one avenue that gets. it, you know, and but Big Pharma, again, Big Ag, Big Pharma, it's like hemp. Why.

the hell are we not growing hemp? Right. It just drives me crazy. >> It drives me crazy as well. It doesn't. make any sense. Especially when you find. out all the stuff that is legal. It's. like Have some consistency. >> Yeah. How many people do we lose every year? And a lot of my friends are in the. alcohol business. But it it's a personal. responsibility issue with me. You know, if you do it, it's your business, but if. you break the law, Yes. >> you know, you're going to the hooch gal. Yeah, and listen, I'm not a big drinker, but I think you should be allowed to. drink. I think I don't think there's. anything wrong with being allowed to. smoke cigarettes. If that's what you. want to do, you should be able to do it.

I believe in freedom. But I don't I think we should be. consistent. And the fact that there's. these things that could help people that. are suffering from depression, that are. suffering from opioid addiction, that. are suffering from all sorts of. PTSD and CTE. And then we have this. thing that we've known about for. decades, and the only person that had. the courage to try to push an executive. order is Trump. And if I Again. >> helped that. >> Again, he is he is enemy number one with. a lot of those people. Well, I mean,

thank God he's got the kind of courage. that he has to push stuff like that. through because it The guts. It's going. to change a lot of humans' lives, a lot. of veterans' lives, a lot of first. responders, a lot of police officers, a. lot of people that have experienced. violent crime. And it just it's going to change a lot. of people's lives. >> have been abused. >> Yes. And all the above. Everything. And. they're not like going to be walking. around like some kind of crazy zombies. thing. It's a it's a very controlled. thing. And Especially ibogaine. Ibogaine. is not recreational in any shape or. form. No one's taking it recreationally.

I've never done it, but I've heard it's. a terrible experience. But you come out. on the under end of it, and. Rick Perry was also talking about how. he's experienced natural brain atrophy. being a man in his 70s. Yeah. He went. and got an examination after he did it, and his brain atrophy had dropped by. 25%. He went back in 6 months later, it. was all gone. Just that alone. >> Wow. Think about all the elderly people. out there that are suffering for memory. loss and all these different issues that. people have. that that could fix them? And that it's. a. literally just one experience that you.

have that takes 12 hours, and when it's. over, you're better? That's crazy. And. that we've keep kept this from people? There's no chance of people being. addicted. >> The money. I understand, but at some. point in time we've got to be human. I. agree. >> money people have to realize you're only. have a certain amount of time on on this. planet. Need you to shut them out. You. have an opportunity to make the world a. better place. And we got to say no to. people that just want personal. money. They just want personal funds. that going to go to their money, that's.

going to go to their bank accounts, going to go to their company, their. corporation. Personal benefit at at the expense of. who knows how many people, including. literal heroes. When's enough enough for. those guys? >> Yeah, when is enough enough? I mean, this is the same feeling that I have. about this disclosure stuff. Like, I. don't care what it's going to affect, I. don't care like if there is real things. out there that we don't know about, you. as a human being have no right to keep. that from the rest of humanity. There's.

I don't care what your title is, I don't. care what three-letter organization you. work for, you're a human being and you. have an obligation to the other human. beings to alert us. The fact that. there's people that have If this is. real, there's people that have gone to. their grave with this information that. would literally change the course of. human history. That's a crime. It's a. real crime. >> Could you imagine. the poor countries, the people that. suffer, you know, the deserts and things. like that if you could you could cool. their.

huts or whatever and. we get out of these worthless wars which. are over all all the time. Right. >> And it just it would end it all in just. a stroke of a pen almost. What do you. think it is? Like, when when you I've. I go back and forth. I. I know it's a little crazy and this will. probably cost me election cuz they've. tried to use it against me in the past. >> only help you at this point. >> Well, I think um I think we need to look at. these deep water areas. I have a hard. time believing that something can travel. light years in some suspended state They.

have to be in some kind of suspended. state. So, I have a trouble with that. Um those five gentlemen that came to my. house, four or five, they came to my. house that time. They were talking about a moon. that was around Saturn or Jupiter that. they'd done some testing with that they. that they think would be capable of. something and the moon was larger than. our Earth, of course. But um There's a. moon that's larger than our Earth? Yeah, around Jupiter or Saturn, I believe. >> That doesn't make any sense. I don't. think that's correct. Yeah, maybe I'm.

wrong. Check it out. >> Yeah, no, no, no, no, there's no moons. that are larger than a planet. No, it's. not I don't think so. Our planet. Well, I don't believe that's true. Circles. around it. I don't know. Anyway, I'm. wrong. >> Is that accurate? Do I not know about. this? Yeah, but there's not I don't believe. there's a moon out there that's larger. than our planet. >> These guys seem to think that something. could travel from there and it was the. quantum physics. I you know, after. talking to that admiral, you know, it. makes me wonder if there is something in. these deep ocean areas that the old. cliche, we know more about the surface.

of the moon than we do the surface of. the ocean floor. In some areas, I think. it's true because we're not down there. Logically, this is that's the one place. where we don't go and it covers 75% of. the Earth. At least, right? >> And if you wanted to hide, that would be. a good spot. >> if you were monitoring humans, let's say. that humans are on this path of. technological evolution. And then they. recognize that humans have split the. atom, we've developed atomic weapons, and we've used them. And they want to.

make sure that we don't blow up the. entire planet before we achieve some. sort of enlightenment, before we bypass. whatever territorial primate. monkey brain stuff that we have that's. causing us to have all these wars and do. all these things that we shouldn't be. doing. Stupid stuff. >> And then we're on our way to We're. getting better. We're clearly better. than we were a thousand years ago and. better than we were three thousand years. ago. We're on our way to being a more. advanced civilization, but it's possible. that we could screw it all up at any.

point in time and blow ourselves to. smithereens. I would imagine they would. want to monitor us. One maniac in Iran. Yeah. If they hadn't have stopped that. their nuclear I'm convinced that they're. I mean, they were out for Armageddon. They'd have launched something. They had. the capabilities to go all the way to. England. I think if they put one close. to Israel, it'd be over. And you know, people like. North Korea who have. terrible technology on missiles, the. biggest threat there was if they put one. up in the air that the nuclear cloud. could blow over China.

And so there's that could have some. incredible bad repercussions. Well, the. fact that there's so many different. countries that have nuclear weapons, so. we're just relying on these people to. keep their together is nuts. >> nuts, completely nuts. And. and they're and they're maniacs. Yeah, well, it's it makes sense that if. you were a super advanced life form from. wherever, that if you wanted to have. base, some sort of a base where you'd. monitor us, it would be in the ocean. You'd be right there, you could get out. of it real quick and go to wherever you. wanted to go.

Orbs was the thing I was thinking of. earlier. Orbs, that's that's the new. word that you hear a lot of and it's. it's getting away from saucers and Well, there's a lot of weird stuff with orbs. where people say that they could summon. them. Yeah, I'm. I'm not on that. >> There's someone a friend of mine wants. me to go and do it with her. She's she's. my friend's wife is like experienced it. and she's like, you got to try it. I'm. like, uh Now, that to me is. >> I'll I'll say who it is when she comes. on the podcast next cuz I don't know if. she will I don't know I don't have. permission to talk about it. I don't. know if she wants me to talk about it,

but. uh I'm like, okay, what do we got to do? Be careful that about the sex cult. angle. Well, she's not That's not I'm. not worried about that. >> you're a good-looking guy, Joe. >> No, no, no. She's. >> She might be digging you. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this. ain't that. This is not that. She's been. my friend for 20 years. She's not. She's married to my friend. She's. >> No, I'm saying the angle that they use. Well, this lady's not that. Well, she's. a comedian. There's not that. Uh is but there are a lot of kooky. people that do. have sex cults. That the sex cults every.

cult turns into a sex cult. Right? Power. You know, I almost bought a. building in Austin that was owned by a. cult. No, really? >> Um the original Comedy Mothership was. the original location was a place called. the One World Theatre. The One World. Theater was owned by this cult. And uh. uh I kind of knew about it because Ron. White told me about it cuz they had this. theater that they built to uh. so that their leader can perform in. front of them. And then the cult got.

disbanded. The cult There's a. documentary about the cult called Holy. Hell. And uh yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy but. it's a sex cult. It was a guy who was a. Get this. He started out in California and he was. a gay porn star and a hypnotist. Which. is a wonderful combination if you want. to start a cult. >> you do. Yeah. And also uh yoga teacher. So he starts out teaching these people. yoga and I don't know if you've ever. taken yoga before. I've taken a bunch of yoga classes with. a bunch of different instructors and. most of them have been amazing. But a.

few of them were very culty. Very culty. And there's this one guy that I took. classes from way back in the day, like. more than 20 years ago. And he was in. California and he was sleeping with a. bunch of the ladies that were there and. he was kind of he was kind of like a. cult guy. Yeah. Like he was like you're. following him and getting dragged into. it. >> singing stupid songs but it was like. very full of himself. It was gross. He. was gross. And you know, everything. wound up falling apart for that guy. But. >> And then he ran for Congress and. But there's a lot of these people that.

for whatever reason, that's where it all. boils down to. They want to have sex. with everybody's wife and they want to. run everything and they want you know, run of the mill and. you know, it's very strange. But That's. where the demonic stuff comes in with. Christians when you call these things. down. They. >> do you think that that has to do with. sex cults? Why would the aliens have to. do with that or whatever they are? >> it's the aliens. I think it's um I just. think some people are abusing the the. people's. They think that. They're They're using their belief in. UFOs to draw them in and to some sort of.

thing and Have you knowledge of this. kind of stuff? Yeah. I get all of it. I hear about all. of it. >> name names? Can you talk about like Not. on the air. Okay. I don't want to get. sued. Okay. Um so. the underwater bases. or the underwater Listen, this is what. an admiral This is what an admiral told. me, okay? >> So what did he say locations that are. these things are coming from or is there. an actual physical base that they've. observed? He said that they.

they don't have the capabilities get. down that deep actually. But they did say that that the sightings. were happening in about in. I think four of the five deep water. areas. around our world. And so. >> And he didn't have any other, you know, and then I was on talking about it and. somebody said, "Tim Burchett says that. they're underwater bases." You know, and. then um. you know, and they. they had Gates was on the other day and. he he was he was briefed. I just told.

what I was briefed on and he was briefed. by a guy that said it was in in uniform. that said that they were breeding um. they were capturing people and breeding. them with with these aliens. And you. know, he just talked what. >> What? So yeah, he was on you can pull it. up. I mean Matt Gates, he talked about. it. He didn't say he believed it but you. know, we talk about we get briefed on. That's what I'm talking about the psyop. They Here's part of the problem, too. They bring you information and you go. forward with this and this is Oh, this.

is the truth, you know, these underwater. bases, whatever. And then. they prove it doesn't exist and then. they just discredit you and they. discredit the whole movement. So that's. why I'm very cautious anytime anybody. brings me any information or pictures or. testimony or, you know, third cousin's. recollection. Yeah. That is the. disinformation thing is a problem. They'll tell you some truth and mix it. in with some really kooky stuff and then. you say the kooky stuff along with it. and the kooky stuff just discredits.

everything that's true. Yeah. Yeah. And. Lazar talked about that, too. He said. they would. tell people certain things that weren't. true and they would tell different. people different things that weren't. true. So, if the story got leaked out, they would know who leaked it. It was. like a hook. So, that anchor would be. like, "Oh, that was Mike. Mike told the. story.". >> when that. I always warn our other members when we. go into the skiff and talk about stuff. that that. you know, this That's first time I've. ever heard that one or or that's that's.

sort of what we heard the last time. [snorts] And then I said everybody just. be real careful with it because if you. if it gets out then they'll come after. you or. if it they want it to get out so they. can discredit you and make you look like. a fool. >> So, they talked to you about deep water. areas where sightings occur. And so, it's just a presumption that somewhere. in that deep water they're emanating. from that they're Well, he also he. described um It is Gat- Gates claims. whistleblower told him of alien human.

hybrid program. >> [laughter]. [gasps]. >> The alleged program involved captured. extraterrestrials mating with abducted. humans from war zones and migrant. caravans to create hybrids for. intergalactic communication. He claimed. the whistleblower identified between six. and 12 such facilities in the US and. sought coordinated congressional visits. to prevent relocation of the activities. Though, Gates did not verify any of the. information. How could you?

>> [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> You going to talk to the hybrids? Yeah. Also, the I just want to go I just want. to go to the t-shirt show. >> Yeah, the pastor's thing that I sent you. Jamie's coming. >> Oh, yeah. That's bonkers. I don't I. don't I don't buy that. I don't I. So, this is a guy it says his name is uh. Alan Dido. Yeah. And uh. It's weird. Capital D, lowercase I, capital D, lowercase I O. >> Didio. Didio? Um after sitting in a private meeting. with pastors and those connected to.

these investigations, the message was. clear. UFO and UAP disclosure is coming. Pastors must prepare their people now. Silence is not an option. Well, what. does that mean? Like, what are they. preparing the people for? Like, what Why. would they bring in. >> of pastors I've never heard of. I you. know, I would think it's I do. I think. it is. I think if he'd brought anybody. in, he'd brought Franklin Graham in. Is. this gentleman a pastor himself? Click. on his uh Yeah, he runs Well, I mean, he. also has a show, which is uh.

Of course he does. >> Of course he does. Oh, so his show is. about disclosure? >> Revival Nation Church or something. No, no, I don't know that. This is just what. these clips are coming around. I don't. >> Can you click on his bio, please? Like, what it clicks what it says. Equipping end-time believers for the. next great awakening. Oh, boy. >> [laughter]. >> I I also saw I would warn people that. think we're in the end times. The Bible. is pretty clear about that. It says that. they don't even the angels in heaven. don't even know when the end times are.

>> the end's coming. So, yeah. >> Yeah. Well, that's I've always been very. suspicious of people that say the end. times are coming. I remember when we're. I was living in LA, there was a a. billboard. Do you remember those. billboards, Jamie? Where there was the. guy was like saying a very specific date. where the the end was coming. The. rapture was going to And then it didn't. happen. He's like, "Ah, I got some bad. information. It's coming soon." Yeah. I. did my math wrong. I remember I I see. those all the time. I just shake my. head. It ain't happening. Yeah, that's the guy. May 21st, 2011. Cry mightily unto God. Judgment Day. Oh,

boy. And it's like it I like at the gold. stamp. The Bible guarantees it. By the. way, I read the Bible. I've never read. anything where there's a guarantee of. this day. >> Yeah. May [snorts] 21st, 2011. Yeah. Um so, when they tell you things, is there anything that they tell you. that you could tell us? Like, how much of what they told you is. like completely top secret that you're. not allowed to say until they disclose. it? A lot of it. A lot of it. Yeah. Is. there anything that really disturbs you?

Yeah, we had one meeting and it got into. some. um. stuff that they were talking about and. the treatment of people and. um. the capabilities and this was The. treatment of people by these supposed. extraterrestrials. >> our own government, but but that were. were trying to come forward with this. stuff, but also yeah, they told me some. pretty creepy stuff. So, I would have um. again. Yeah, I bring this out and then they're. busting my ass for it, but the What do.

you think is going on? Like the So, you're. >> I think it's a cover-up. I think there's. something else out there. I do not think we're the best that God. can do and I really just don't know, Joe. There's so many options it could. be. Um. one of these groups that met with me, they they described several different um. types of beings and they go through all. of them. I'm you know How many different. types of beings? I don't know. Three, four, five, I don't know. I It just. changes. I don't I don't get caught up.

in that. You know, and I tell our guys, I say, "Look, here's the argument. Just. say. I just want to know what we're spending. tens of millions of dollars on. That's. all. I don't care if it I don't I don't. It's not about little green men. It's. not about flying saucers. It's what are. we spending this money on if they say. they don't exist? That should be the answer. The question. and then and the answer will come from. that. >> Okay. So, if they do exist. when you say you think it's a cover-up, what do you think the cover-up. >> I think I think.

Well, I think they really do exist and I. don't think that there's such a such a. finite group of people that actually. know it. and um and you got a lot of charlatans. out there that say they know it and. they're out there and they're selling. memberships. >> Of course. But um. I I I think there's. there's something to it. I'm always very. suspicious of anybody who speaks. definitively about something like that. where you can't possibly know. And then. they don't offer up any proof of this. And they say, "Well, I've seen the. pictures." Well, bring me the dadgum. pictures. Yeah.

>> But I have seen some pictures and I've. have seen video and I have What's the. most convincing thing that you've seen? I don't know. Those guys came out the. house. That was pretty convincing. You. know, that was before the. um. before the hearings that we had and. >> was the video? Clear as the screen. I mean, it was pretty clear. Um and you. know, and that was pre-AI. AI was such a. new thing and then. it fit [clears throat] in with the Tic. Tac videos were. and the um.

the heat signatures what always what. always thought was unusual cuz it had to. have a heat signature, but it didn't. Right. >> zero-point energy, whatever that is. Right. And and. the just the quantum physics angle of it. is mind-blowing to me. And you have no. knowledge of what's supposed to be. released cuz it Where Today is. Wednesday. I'm going to know tomorrow at. 3:00. Tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. Is that when. the world knows? No. I think they're. going to ask me just give me a little.

bit of it, but I got a feeling they're. not going to tell me much. I don't got a. feeling they're not going to tell. America not much. When is it supposed to be disclosed this. week? Whatever they're going to disclose? >> don't know. I don't know, but I if. they're going to disclose it to us, then. it'll be out right as soon as I hang up. the phone with some guys. Do you feel an. obligation if they don't release it to. try to tell people what you know? I do. I do. I do. I think it's um. cuz I don't like it if they're lying to. us. And I I.

I mean, again, I don't think Trump knows. I mean, these people have kept this. stuff secret. I Here's another thing. I. was in the one meeting and a guy said I. said, "What about the president on. this?" And he said, "The president's on. a need-to-know basis.". Now, that's a federal employee saying. that he or she has. information that the president is not. allowed to see. And I I. I just was aghast, man. I said, "I mean, you know, you that's the kind of crap.

you see on some the Sci-Fi network or. something." But that. that'd be the title of my book. I mean, that that that that ought to tell you. right there that that this thing is a is. a cover-up. And I don't and I and. it's kind of like MK Ultra. I don't. think we're going to get the They're not. going to tell us everything. I really don't. I don't think they're. going to give us. half of what we should get. But you. think we're going to get something? >> I think we're going to get something. Do. you know how Puthoff Do you know how. Puthoff?

Do what? >> know how Puthoff? >> No, I don't. >> who he is? I thought you I thought you. knew how Puthoff you are right now. I. was like, >> [laughter]. >> "How Puthoff are you?". >> was in the documentary as well. He was. in the Age of Disclosure and he was a. guest on the podcast and one of the. things that he told me is that during. the Bush administration, they brought in. him and a bunch of other scientists and. thought leaders and what was explained. to him was that they are considering. disclosure and that there have been. visits of these super intelligent beings.

from somewhere else that we have. retrieved crashed vehicles and that we. have biological remains. >> That's correct. >> and we are talking about disclosing. We. would like you. to make a list of all the ways that. it'll negatively affect society and all. the ways it'll positively affect society. and attach a numerical value to these. things. And they all did it and every. one of them said the negatives far. outweigh the positives in terms of the.

impact on government, the impact on the. economy, religion, all the all these. different factors and how they how it. would disrupt society. And in the end, they decided not to disclose. >> Yeah, I've heard that many times. I I. just don't buy it. You don't buy it? I. don't buy it. I mean I I don't doubt. what he's saying. I know all those guys. now that you mentioned I was movie of. course and I've met them all afterwards. But I don't I just don't buy that. I. think we should know. Let us know. Let us decide. No, I. believe that too, but I I wonder what.

that meeting was like and whether or not. they were being truthful to these people. or whether it was a thought experiment. >> Allegedly when they told Jimmy Carter he. cried. That's what I heard too. >> Yeah, I was. it was. I won't go into all of it but I was in a. meeting. What would make him cry? I. don't know. I know he's a very sensitive. guy. I understand but I mean like I. cried when I saw Old Yeller. Yeah, I did. too. >> [laughter]. >> Still cry. But they. he he had seen a UFO. You know, he was. on a Navy sub nuclear sub and I don't.

know if he saw that when he was on the. sub or not. I can't remember. But you know, he he said that guy was. president of the United States and he. had actually. >> They told him something supposedly he. cried. >> And I was in the meeting and I that was. brought up and the guy that they were. trying to trip up gave the date of that. meeting and he said you can go to the. Carter. library. and pull up that date and you'll know. there's one person they omitted their. name which who knows who that was but.

they list the the meeting and where he. was when he got that that briefing. Wow. So, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know if. that's true or not. You know, they also. say. Nixon pulled up one night to Jackie. Gleason's and took him. >> that story. Yeah, I was Well, you know. Jackie Gleason built that crazy house in. Upstate New York. Do you know about. that? >> Do not. Oh, you don't? It was for sale a. while back. Um Jackie Gleason essentially built a.

UFO house. He built a house that looked. like a flying saucer. >> No kidding. Yeah, yeah, it was for sale. fairly recently within the last few. years, that's the house. Oh, crap. That's a house Jackie Gleason built. after. supposedly Richard Nixon took him. So, supposedly the story was they were. golfing, out drinking, and Richard. Nixon's like, "Hey, you want to see some. shit?". And then [laughter] he took him to see. this UFO somewhere on some base. You. know, the story is very vague. It's hard. to tell what what actually happened, but.

apparently people that knew Jackie. Gleason said it profoundly affected him, and Jackie Gleason became obsessed with. UFOs afterwards. And then he had this. house built. the shape of a UFO, which is I mean, not. evidence, but weird. That's very weird. >> Weird. Yeah. And Nixon um. Nixon was a very serious guy. That would. have been a That would have been an. interesting uh Yeah. scenario. Indeed. But I. I just wish they'd.

show us everything. Yeah, me too. We'll see. We'll see what what comes out. this week, but uh thank you very much. for being here. I really appreciate it. It was great to talk to you. >> I wish I could get you to move to East. Tennessee. Why? Well, we saved Texas' ass, man. You. know, Davy Crockett? >> Yeah, Davy Crockett. >> day. Yeah, he said I'm He was [snorts]. in Congress and got beat. He was a state. legislator, and then he got He got beat. in the Congress, and he said, "As for us" His quote was that "As for. me" He says, "As for you all, you can. all go to hell. As for me, I'm going to.

Texas.". He got He goes to Alamo, gets killed, but. >> [laughter]. >> he parlayed that into a Disney special, so it kind of evened out. >> Yeah. Sort of. Sort of, but Sort of. You're. very partial to Texas. >> Well, all right. We're a low-tax state, I know. Texas low-tax state. >> love it here. I love a lot of things. about Tex- I love the people. It's a fun place to be. Yeah. My buddy. Chip Roy, he's leaving. He's from down. here. A bunch of these guys in Congress. are. down here that are leaving. And they're. going to Tennessee? No, they're coming. down here. Oh, they're coming down here.

>> down here, but no, they just they're all. coming home. They're tired of. Washington. Yeah. Luttrell told me. I. said, "Why are you leaving Congress, dude?" He says, "I want to spend time with my family. My. kids are growing up." And I was like, "Can't argue with that, brother." Yeah, and the pressure of Congress, the. pressure of Washington, D.C. is just so. odd. I've only been there a couple. times, but every time I'm there, when I. leave, I'm like, It's like when I used to Yeah, but when. I used to minister [snorts] to a guy in. prison, and when you leave. Brushy Mountain State Prison, you had a.

I call it that institutional smell. Whatever they used to clean that place, you just smell like it for. uh you could smell it in your nose for. days later, and that's the Washington, D.C. It's a It's more of a filthy smell. Yeah, it's a weird place. I guess it's. necessary, supposedly, but it's. it's odd to visit. But, I appreciate. people like you. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you, and I appreciate you. doing the right thing, especially for. our veterans and on disclosure and all. the other hot-button issues. And you got Hecklefish there. I do.

Hecklefish. He said my name on his show. one time. Yeah, I love that show. He's. He said my name one time. He said it. wrong, but he's a Yankee, so I guess. it's okay. It's like Burchett or. something. >> Yeah. Thank you very much. It was awesome. All. right, [music] thank you. Bye, everybody. >> [music].