Joe Rogan Experience #2488 - James McCann

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. Everything's great. Thanks for having. [music] me back. Good to see you, my. brother. How are you? Always great to. see you. I'm good. It was fun having you at the. club last night. >> terrified. I was [ __ ] terrified. >> You just look like you're back, you. know? >> No, I thought I thought that's it. I've. been away for too long. I'm going to. suck. None of the new stuff's going to. work. They'll see me, they'll go, Uh he.

was wrong to come back. [ __ ] him off. It was so nice. It was so nice. You were. telling the story. I I said, "Hold these. thoughts.". >> Yeah. What I didn't know you didn't I. didn't know we'd never spoken about it. >> No, tell me the story. I Well, that's. why I came to America to start is uh I. got offered a job hosting a Catholic. podcast. And they fired me as I had packed up. everything in Adelaide. This is like 2 and a bit years ago. I. had the kids and the wife and on the way. to America I got fired. And they said, "We'll still pay your rent. It's in. Steubenville, Ohio, beautiful.

Appalachian. town just outside of Pittsburgh. And uh. yeah, it's where we were 3 months I was. there. So what did they see that they fired you. for? >> A lot. They made [laughter] a compilation. video. No, the guy the guy who showed up They. were right to fire me. They they were. right to fire. >> No, no, they weren't. No, cuz it was a. good clean Catholic podcast. And then. the the business manager was like, "You. There was a sketch about stabbing. someone in the throat with an AIDS. needle. They're they're like, "He uses. the word [ __ ] all the time." They're. like, "This is a sponsorship nightmare. Get him out." And I So I said, "Okay.".

But they still said, "We'll. uh we'll pay your rent for 3 months. and you can figure something out. You. still got a visa.". And I was terrified. I was just in the. snow. >> and a wife. >> Three kids, no job. I didn't have the. money to go back home. Oh my god. I. couldn't afford to go back home. Oh my. god. >> And I had I didn't know that I had been. passed at the mothership cuz I didn't. know how the system worked. So on the. way in to go uh to Steubenville where I. was like, "I'll figure something out." I. stopped in at Austin to see Shane. Shane. said, "Go and do the mothership open.

mic." I did it. Adam Eget said, "If. you're ever in town, come back. We'll. pay for space." I didn't know that meant. I was passed. I didn't know I could work. here. >> Oh. >> I just thought he was like I could. audition again. And then uh so I had 3 confronting. months in the snow. Beautiful part of the world. It was the. most terrified I've ever been in my. He says that as an Australian. That's. from from Ohio. I'd say that's the most. beautiful part of the world. >> it. I wish I went back. I wish that. white West Virginia. >> Yeah, that's where you That's where. >> It looks exactly like that. Well, that. area is gorgeous.

>> It's. I was God's country, but also. so abandoned by like the the potholes. are crazy. I saw real heroin addicts. I'd never. really seen heroin addicts before. Just. sleepy people. I saw street prostitutes. That's still going on? And this is a small town, right? >> a small town. This is uh. I I went to There are Catholics who've. moved there to try and like fix it. It was where Dean Martin was from. The. Wu-Tang Clan kind of started out there. They started in Ireland? No, yes, but.

I think it's like the RZA's auntie lived. there and they moved out there and then. they got involved in rap in the. Pittsburgh scene. >> to ask. Was the RZA's aunt real soon? I'll ask him about that. >> I'm right about that. They don't have a. mural for them. >> Wow. >> Um but it's great. There's uh. Yeah, there's a lot of Catholic content. creators there. Um and they're trying to take over town. There's I went there originally cuz my. New Polity is like my favorite magazine. And I got to meet the guys who made it. And I was so excited. So how did they.

hire you? With Wu-Tang's RZA found a. second chance in Steubenville. And they all come over to visit him. This he discussed a largely undocumented. era of his life in which Pittsburgh. played a role. Wow. And that's one of the first. conversations we had. I was like, you. said something about Pittsburgh that. wasn't flattering. I said, "I love. Pittsburgh." You're like, "You don't. know anything. You're a foreigner. You don't know. anything [laughter] about America. Pittsburgh is a horrible place." I was. like, "I don't know. I had a nice time. there.". I thought it was good. Uh it's just a.

little depressing. Do you see like the. the thing about uh a lot of those. sort of. industrial kind of towns There's not a. ton of options for people. No. Pittsburgh more so than like the place. that you were in. But like when you get. to a place where there's not a lot of. options and then you see real poverty. Like this is poverty with no solutions. You know what I mean? Not Pittsburgh. You know, Pittsburgh's. >> Oh no, just outside of Pittsburgh. I was. more For sure. No, I saw I saw things in.

West Virginia that were uh pretty. confronting. Mm. >> And like, you know, that are like And. some of it's great. Some of the things. from the poverty are wonderful. Drive-thru cigarette shop. You don't. like that? >> I loved having drive-thru cigarettes. So. I got you know, just like trying to get the kids to. sleep. My wife's upset cuz I got her in. a foreign Like again, she never signed. up, "Let's move to America." She was. like, "We'll go for 3 months." Right. And then I was like, "Oh [ __ ] I'm. unemployed. Uh I better quickly figure. out how to be a stand-up comedian." I.

was bussing out of Steubenville. Just. >> [laughter]. >> I would like. I caught the I went I I got it Someone. gave me a lift to Pittsburgh. This is. when I saw the worst stuff. I got a lift. to Pittsburgh and then I caught the. Greyhound from Pittsburgh to Cleveland. to open for Sam Talent who let me open. who unbelievably let me open for. >> He's the best. >> him in Australia. Yeah. >> Such a good guy. And uh but like that. bus trip from Pittsburgh to Cleveland. was. it was the most upsetting. Oh, man. I was People were spitting on.

the ground at the bus station. Like an. immigrant like an illegal immigrant. woman came and tried to give me a phone. I remember that vividly. Give you a. phone? >> to give me a free phone. She's like, "You can have this." Because she said. she said, "You're on benefits.". Everyone on benefits gets a free phone. It was some like policy. She just. assumed I was on benefits because I was. at the Greyhound bus station. >> And she was illegal? I don't know if she was illegal, but she. had a strong accent and like a weird. dress and a baby on her back and a sack. full of phones. A sack full of phones?

Like a sack of phones. >> So she was somehow in charge of. distributing free phones to people? >> I'll never truly know what that was. about. Boy, I would have investigated. further. >> There was uh. >> [laughter]. >> I was scared. I was just scared. They. were like. >> [ __ ] Huge African guys sitting on the. ground. Give you a phone. Uh it was And. then after that I sat next to a guy. who's having a full psychotic episode. I. think we follow each other on Instagram. now. He's gotten rid of his Instagram. Really? >> But yeah, and he told me the secrets. about Chris Benoit. That he was a good man. The wrestler? He. killed his family. Yeah.

>> guy tried to tell me only he was I. It's like burnt He said he only killed. his family to send them to God and you. can't blame a man for that. Oh. All right, let's This is only a 3-hour. bus trip. We're going to get through. this. We're going to be fine. Oh boy. Oh, man. But I did I did enjoy. my time in that part of the world. Well, you probably enjoy it now that it's. over. That you survived it. >> a good point. >> Yeah, there's some things. >> asked me at the time Yeah, there's some. things that are not fun while they're. happening, but are really fun once you. got through it.

I mean, I remember the people I met. along the way. Uh I remember [snorts]. driving to Austin and like. it was like spring was start Like the. further south we got, the more lush it. became. Yeah. It was like, "Fuck, I'm I. might be okay." And then someone let me. stay in their house. I didn't have a. house to stay in so my A podcast. listener's friend let us stay in there. With your family? With my whole family. Let us house-sit for them while they. were in Japan. >> Oh my god. Um That's crazy. I know. The. whole time it was like if I don't get if.

I don't get passed at the mothership. now, I. I don't think people should come here. and live in their cars with their. family. But it does. you know, Well, that's a fire under your. ass. >> Well, that's the thing. It's like if. you're forced into action. Yeah. Like. you had no Not just yourself. Like you. could go, "Woe is me." But when you're a. father and a husband, you have children. And people who do not have children do. not understand the drive that it gives. you to protect and care for those little. people. It's kind of crazy. So if you'll.

find something. Why I don't understand how people do it. without Like I meet men who are really. driven and motivated. And they have no. kids. But they're like every day they're. working I I don't know what their. motivation is. Before I had kids I was. just. >> Money. What are you going to buy? They're in a. They're in a game. They're playing a. game. >> No. Yeah, they're just playing this game. of accumulate the most stuff. Be able to brag about the most stuff you. have and. >> much rather lie down. >> [laughter]. >> I would rather not do anything if I had.

a choice. But not really cuz you love. doing comedy. I love doing comedy, but I. never before I had kids was trying to do. comedy that people would enjoy. Do you know what I mean? >> I think that is also though because you. were living in Australia and there was. limited options. Right? I had kids. I. don't know Australian system is very. different than American. It's mostly. festival driven. >> It's festival driven and it's uh to a. much greater extent. I've thought about this. It's like. industry driven. Like Industry? Yeah, we. don't What Which industry?

Like uh managers and agents, which is. one role in Australia. But they they are. deciding who's succeeding. And TV people. are deciding who's succeeding. Whereas. like in America, everybody is on the. road. Everybody has one or two openers. Mhm. And there are there's a whole. lineage of who brought who up Right. >> business. Like. uh Dan Soder had Nick Mullen, Tim Dillon, and Shane Gillis open for. him. Like those were his openers. Right. Um and not because they were successful.

or someone wanted them to thrive. He. just thought they were funny people. And. they got to be his openers. You I don't. know who you were opening for, but you. have people who come up and Well, I. didn't really do it I didn't have it. that way. I do it that way, but I didn't. have it that way. I didn't really come. up with anybody where I opened for any I. just I had a very weird path to success. >> you got to go to LA and just be in. the middle Like there's a scene there. There's a lot of people. >> came out to LA with a job already. Okay. on a sitcom already. You started in.

Boston though. Yes. Started in Boston. Look, it's very embarrassing how lucky I am. I'm like one of the luckiest people. that's ever lived. Like it's stumble. upon success after success. So, when I. was 6 years into comedy, I was already. on TV. So, I was 3 years into comedy, I was. basically barely getting paid. I was. barely a professional. Like I was. getting some spots in bars and stuff. like that. I was making money, but I was. driving limousines. I was doing odd.

jobs, doing different things. And uh I. was also still teaching at the time. I. was still teaching taekwondo for the. first. maybe. 6 months or so when I was 21. I. I think I kept teaching. And then I. eventually had to quit because I. realized I could not commit to doing. both things. I don't want to half-ass my. students. Yeah. And I don't want to So, so so for the first 2 3 years of comedy,

barely you know, I'm barely a comedian. Just I'm trying. I'm trying to do it. I'm getting some laughs. Met a manager as an open micer. And he brought me to New York and he's. still my manager today. Wow. The best. >> know that. Yeah, it's total luck. Total. No, you also are super handsome guy. I've seen. I've seen you then. I was boy pretty. You look like [laughter] a [ __ ]. different person. First of all, what was. it is that it is crazy, but also a lot. of those comics you started with who. maybe it took longer I won't say.

hideous, but they don't they didn't look. Well, that definitely helped me get on. television. It definitely helped me get. on television. So, I did the MTV half. hour comedy hour. um in 1993, I believe it was. And next thing you. know, I had a development deal. Next. thing you know, I was on a sitcom and. living out here. Living in. >> but do you think it doesn't happen for. people? Do you think there's anyone in. America who has a good work ethic. and is really talented that it doesn't. work out for them in comedy? Or does it. work out every You'd have to have a. health issue. Health issues or a really.

horrible relationship. Those things. could do you in. Or like you could have. a drug problem. Yeah, that'll do you in. Gamble your money away. That could do. you in, too. Yeah. Yeah, there's a bunch. of things that can do you in. But it's. crazy like that. there are like not a lot of undiscovered. geniuses in America in the same way. Like people will want to make money off. of you if you've got it. Yeah, but. there's some people that are just really. horrible at marketing. Like Brian. Holtzman for instance. Yeah. Right? We. we had to kind of like force Brian.

Holtzman into the modern era. Yes. >> Like and he's always been a comics comic. and he's always been a guy that we would. all sit in the back of the room at the. at at at the store and watch. But he was. always getting these terrible spots and. it wasn't until we brought cuz he never. went on the road. Brian and I started. out together. So, at the store together. in '94. We were both like I think he. came in '93 and I came a year later. >> was working for like Pan Am or. something? He was a dog catcher for a. while. Yeah. He was a I think he might.

have been a meter maid. I see him here. at the I haven't seen him yet. Yes, he's. here all the time. He lives out here. now. I don't know if he goes back and. forth, but he he lives out here all the. time. I don't know if he goes back and. forth, he lives out here all the time. He's the best. >> We. I went to church with him. I don't know. if I even know if I should tell this. story, but I we would we went to church. together once. And it was really lovely. He took me out for breakfast afterwards. cuz he's Catholic. And it was so funny. cuz the priest at the end like gave the. announcements and one of the things he. was like they're doing a parish they're. doing like uh what do what do you call. it? Like a like a talent show for.

everybody. He's just announcing this to. the whole like 300 people. And Brian. goes he goes there every week. They go, "So, if anyone's got a skill, if. anyone's a juggler, anyone's a comedian, come and do that for the talent show for. everybody.". >> [laughter]. >> And he. he he gave no impression that he would. be doing it, but I love he [ __ ] spoon. face jabs. I think he would be terrified. and upset. if he had brought that. He's the. sweetest man in the world. I don't want. to give that away. If people don't know. He's a lovely man. He's a great guy in. real life. He always was. Always was. Like I've known him forever. Um so we we.

were we So, he's an what what I would. say is like an undiscovered genius cuz. he was a guy that was just [ __ ]. killing it, but never went on the road. He only worked the store. I rarely saw him even at like the Laugh. Factory or the Improv. I don't I don't I. don't know if I could ever recall seeing. him at those places. But he had he had to consciously make. the decision not to go on the road. Well, it's hard because it's not offered. to you. You know, it's like how do you. do it? If you just do all your sets at. the store, you kind of have to have.

someone take you with them, right? So, what I what happened with me is I mostly. did the road around New York and. Connecticut. So, when I moved to New. York in I guess a '91-ish. Yeah, so probably like '91-ish. And so, when I moved there, um. the real money like to be able to pay. bills was in the road. It was not in New. New York City. New York City did not pay. pay very well. You can get a lot of. spots, but also I was really new, so maybe I. couldn't have gotten a lot of spots, but.

I could get a lot of spots doing gigs. for like John Schuler. He had a whole. Connecticut run that you could do. They. were great gigs. They paid like 300. bucks a night. Or you could do Gonzo at. a bunch of New Jersey and those paid. really well. >> collapse at some point? No, there's. still probably some sort of a network of. road shows. There's a. Louis has a story on someone's podcast. about like crashing his motorcycle and. then like a bubble bursting. I don't. know if he was speaking A bubble. bursting? >> like comedy. all of a sudden clubs started to close.

Well, there's been ups and downs with. that. There was there was um I came in. to comedy in '88 and apparently in '84. in Boston, it was even better. Like. there was like a peak and but I'm like, "Really?" Like cuz when I came in it was. amazing. There was clubs everywhere. Like, "Nah, you missed it.". So, there's always been the this like up. and down of clubs closing and club but. like New York is on the rise right now. There's a bunch of clubs that have. opened up in New York. New York's comedy. right now is [ __ ] doing great. I hope.

Yeah, I hope they can figure it out. What do you mean? Well, I was in. uh last time I was in LA the spirit was. so I was never in LA for it being great, but I've heard all the stories about. Yeah. everyone's sports car at the back. of the thing and there's this gig and. that gig. And then I was everybody like. has no sense that it's ever going to. work for them. Like no one's even. bothered to. It's like three podcasts in LA now that. people don't I don't want to talk about. that. Like here, everybody is so hopeful. in Austin. And I I can look at like. Peyton made it. Like last night I'm.

looking at that green room. I'm like all. of these people have money and they're. touring and they came here and they got. to do it. Like and the hope and the. adventure and when I was in LA everyone. was. just. You might have picked up on that at. night, but it's also like the Comedy. Store has always been a top down vibe. That seems like it's getting better. >> it's definitely getting better cuz Rose. is running it now. She's awesome. But I. think the Comedy Store has always been a. top down vibe. And if there was a bunch. of like big name national acts that were.

really cool and fun to hang out with, then it was a great vibe. And when. they're gone, it always felt empty. It always felt. weird. This is how it was with me in the. '90s when I was there. And I think. that's how it is now. We're all out here. now. >> Yeah. You know, and it's like and then. people kind of feel abandoned, so they. feel sad. You know, it feels And then. they get a little mad at you. Like, "Yeah, you think [ __ ] me doing it in. Austin.". And so, it develops a stupid rift, which. is the dumbest thing ever. We're all on. the same team. And also, you could work.

here, too. Like it's so dumb. Like but. the rift is a real thing. But it's like. you have to be around a bunch of people. that are having a good time to have a. good time. You can't be the only person. having a good time. And the rift can be. good. The rift can motivate people to. Have you seen La Merz Twitter? No, what's he doing? He's just going. hard on New York people and saying [ __ ]. all of them and Austin's number one. He's trying to he's doing the same thing. they would do to him. But I think I. think he New York is [ __ ] great. Your. comedy is great. There's so many great comics. Norman and.

Soder and [ __ ] Andrew Schulz and. David Tell's the best live. There's. great comedians in New York. I don't see. how you could have kids. Uh Gaffigan raised all his kids there. and he's like super Yeah, and he's super. clean Catholic guy. Yeah. I don't know how he's I've never. met him. >> First of all, he's got some money. So, he. >> Money has got to help. Send him to a. nice place to go to school where they're. not going to get eaten. >> [laughter]. >> I think the trans thing is done in the. schools. Yeah, it's dropped off significantly.

>> I had really. cuz we were home schooling. and I I was just aware cuz my dad's a. teacher and he would he would say. I don't want to get him in trouble, but. he would report he would report that the. numbers were developing. And I think as. a social phenomenon, it seems to have. like. Now everyone just says they have an. anxiety disorder. Well, um you know when. it dropped off like noticeably? When. Elon bought Twitter. We just stopped pumping the content to. say it's good. >> all of a sudden you could say whatever. you wanted. And so, you could make fun.

of it now. And then people realized, "Oh, this is is a completely falsely. propped up narrative." I mean, do you. smoke cigars? I quit all nicotine Do you. have it? Do you have alcohol? I have a. drink. >> get you some alcohol. >> If I could have a whiskey. I quit I quit all nicotine uh What. happened? I I I just having heart. palpitations. I was doing it a lot. >> [laughter]. >> I had a problem. I cannot do a little bit. I see you you'll just like you'll be.

backstage, you'll have one cigarette and. you're fine. Yeah. I can't. >> And I never smoke outside of right. before a show. I don't I mean, I. But I'm. >> More power to you. I know how to shut. things off and I I also regulate. Like. like I realize like when I when I have. an issue. Like the nicotine pouches, I. can just stop them. I've gone on. vacation and just not take them and I'm. fine. I think but I think it's my. biology. It's almost time for spring break. So. maybe you're headed to the beach or. maybe you're taking the kids on a road.

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I was. quitting going back when I went back to. Australia and I came off nicotine at the. same time. I think that was the closest to serious. unpleasant Really? >> think I ever got through to abusive but. man, there was a lot of shouting at the. family. What the [ __ ] are you doing? >> [laughter]. >> PUT IT DOWN. I WAS NOT A HAPPY MAN. >> DID IT LAST? It was for a month. I was real bad. Wow. >> real bad. >> That's crazy. For me, um I don't know. what it is, man. I just I could just put.

it alone, leave it alone and I'm fine. And now I monitored myself. Like I went. on vacation for like 8 days with the. family and I said, all right, no. nicotine pouches. Let's see what. happens. Just see if I see if I go. crazy. I was waiting. Nothing. Nothing hap- nothing. Was it you with the pouches? Was the. pouches the thing? >> patches. And also, I mean I I got on the. patches to get off the cigarettes and. then I had to go on the cigarettes to. get off the patches. Then I was having. cigarettes and patches and the gum. >> [laughter]. >> and.

my heart would start to go and my mood. would like go way up and way down. >> Wow. Um but it was I got a lot done. See, I I get addicted to things. Yeah. >> Like doing things. Um like real bad. Like uh I used to get. used to get addicted. Archery, sure, but. the thing about archery is you can only. do it so much. Archery's good because. it's you know, my bow is 80 lb to pull. back. And so if I'm pulling it back and. I have another one that's 90. And so. when I'm pulling it back 80 lb, you can. only do that so many times. You know, I.

could do that maybe 100 times in a day. and my [ __ ] shoulder's blown out. If you're hunting though, I mean you're not shooting very often. But you wouldn't be able to get so tired. that if you got in a dangerous. situation, >> No. No. No. When you're hunting, first. of all, you're jacked up with. adrenaline. Like like you could pull a. branch off a [ __ ] tree. You're you're. so jacked up with adrenaline. You're. just trying to stay calm. Like when. you're about to pull your bow the bow. come pulls back effortlessly. It's like. It's like you don't even notice that.

it's It pulls back so easy. You're so. ramped up. You're not even thinking. about. >> are you doing that? Bow hunting? Yeah. Seriously only a couple times a year. because I'm elk hunting, you know. And. if I get an elk. >> Seasonal? Yes. It's September. September and. October. Those are the time. But in in. Texas we hunt pigs sometimes. We have a. a lease out here. So we'll go and hunt. with a few of my friends from archery. country. Shout out to Tyler. Uh and my friend Evan from Black Rifle. Coffee. We'll go out to. >> pigs? Oh, they're everywhere.

>> Okay. They're infested with wild pigs. are all over Texas. >> you. There's millions of them. Like. literally millions of them. Like one. time they opened up a highway. Like they. built this new highway and the day it. opened up, they had like this [ __ ]. ridiculous amount of accidents cuz. people were hitting wild pigs cuz there. were so many wild pigs out there that. they're just crashing into them on the. road with this new highway cuz the pigs. had never seen cars before on this spot. because they hadn't finished the road. yet. Then all of a sudden there's cars.

everywhere and these wild pigs are just. getting [ __ ] What did they land on. cuz in Australia when they have a. kangaroo problem in a similar thing. Cheers. God bless. Thank you. God bless. They um. they gatling gunned them from the sky. Have you seen that here? They do that here out of helicopters. You could do it if you want while you're. in town. I'll set it up. >> You know I. All right. If we can do it this way, I. would feel I would feel guilty. >> Yeah. >> have been not a sporting way to start. hunting would be to It's a different. kind of hunting. Because it's a. necessity hunting, right?

I want to eat what I kill. If I kill. something, I want to eat it. Yeah. And. the thing about these wild pigs is. they're gunning down 20, 30, 40 of them. in a day. They're doing them out of. helicopters with machine guns. There's a bunch of companies that do it. There's There's a video of Ted Nugent. and this guy named Pigman. Pigman is. like a famous bow hunter that lives in. Texas and they It's called Apocalypse. Now and they're in a. >> [laughter]. >> They're in a helicopter. Ted Nugent and.

Pigman in a helicopter and they gunned. down like 240 pigs in a half hour pod. not podcast. Hunting show. >> podcast. He's called Pigman. Yeah, that's He's a pig killing machine from. >> His name's Brian but it's Pigman is his. nickname. He just kills a lot of wild. pigs. And but it's a necessity out here. Look at this is. But do you have to understand how many. pigs they have out here and the kind of. damage that's Pigman. And the kind of damage that these pigs. do to agriculture,

you know, they they go through fences. and they [ __ ] up livestock gets out and. there's a lot of [ __ ] with these things. Yeah. Oh, it's crazy. Is this the. argument for bringing wolves back in? >> No. Do not bring wolves. >> against it but I don't understand the. What is the most pro Is there one. sensible argument for bringing back in. apex predators to. >> [sighs]. >> Well, there's arguments for it. You. could make an argument for it. The. problem is you do not understand. No one.

understands what the ultimate result is. going to be of introducing predators. There is a very strong reason why they. eradicated wolves from the West Coast. and from the United States cuz they. [ __ ] kill everything. They're super. smart apex predators. They work in packs. unlike any other animal. They're very. different. >> [clears throat]. >> And they kill everything and you can't. do [ __ ] about them and they kill people. Also like the in the UK they got rid of. them hundreds of years ago. This is like. they celebrated it and also they seem to. be.

fine. >> Yeah. I mean and now these [ __ ]. greenies, these softies that really. don't understand nature want to bring. them back. So there's a good argument in. some ways that having some predators. would help. But the predators were. slowly moving their way back into these. areas anyway. Yeah. So they never. eradicated them from Canada. So they. would come down from Canada and make. their way into Minnesota, make their way. into Iowa, make their way into not Iowa,

Idaho, Wyoming, Montana. They had like a small. amount of wolves were kind of making. their way in. Then they reintroduced a. bunch of them into Montana in the 1990s. Yeah. Into Yellowstone. That changed. everything. That changed everything. It. dropped the elk population by down to. like 40% of what it used to be which. many people argue is actually a good. thing because there was no predators in. terms of like like There's mountain. lions but mountain lions don't kill that. many elk. They'll kill one like a week.

>> Like families go to Yellowstone. Mhm. Yeah. So now there's just wolves. Yeah, but the wolves are not [ __ ] with the. people at Yellowstone. They really are. just concentrating on the animals and. they've like really knocked down the elk. population substantially. But now they. have an open hunting season on wolves in. Montana because the the the numbers got. a lot higher than they should be. >> Right. So now like I know guys who hunt. wolves and they go on wolf It's very. difficult to hunt them.

>> say it sounds more dangerous and. pleasant than hunting elk. Well, it is. dangerous that it is a predator and if. you do get surrounded by them, they. decide to eat you and you're out of. bullets, you could be [ __ ] But for. the most part, they're very difficult to. hunt. They're very difficult to find. They're also very difficult to get in. range. They're [ __ ] clever. They're. clever and once they realize they're. being hunted and they once they realize. that people are a problem, they [ __ ]. steer way clear of you. What's the. ideological reason for wanting them. back? Just that they. it's good to be in a country.

>> I love. Just Just focus on the bees, you know? Well, Great flowers. There's people that. don't like hunting and for people that. don't like hunting, they want nature to. balance itself out. So the people that don't like the idea. of humans killing and eating animals? Yeah. They don't like them going out. into the wild and killing wild animals. So they want something else to kill. those wild animals. So then they bring. in mountain lions or then they bring in. wolves and then they think that nature's. going to sort itself out.

It's a dumb idea. [clears throat]. >> Why is it okay for them to. This is the vegetarian argument that I. never understand is that death occurs in. nature. Animals are eating other. animals. >> Right. So we If it's wrong to kill any. animals, should we intervene? Should we. >> Right. Should we kill all the mountain. lions. >> the. fox was one of my favorite. bits that you ever did. >> Oh, vegan cat. Is it a No, was it not. fox? You know I'm talking about a fox? No, it's about a vegan cat. Well, it literally is a true story. Yeah. Like this lady was saying mean. things to me on Twitter or Instagram and.

I saw one of the things on her page. I. went to her page. It said hashtag vegan. cat and I was like, no. And so then I. clicked on it and it's all cats that. look like they've been stuck in a house. with a gas leak. Right. Maybe that got. me started searching vegan animals cuz. vegan fox, I definitely read a lot about. after that. >> Yeah, there's people that have vegan. dogs. They feed their dogs food, but. you're basically. you can kind of get away with it a. little bit with a dog, but cats are. what's called obligate predators. They. only eat.

obligated to prey? Yeah, they only eat. meat. That's all they eat. That's it. They're just predators. They're full-on. murderous machines. Like house cats are. some of the most murderous creatures on. earth. They kill billions of. Yeah, yeah, as soon as you die. As soon. as you die. Like cuz dogs will give you. an afternoon. No, weeks. >> [laughter]. >> I thought dogs gave you. just a little head start. But cats. >> on how starving they are, you know? If. they If they're starving to death, their. instincts kick in and they'll eat you.

But cats just start eating you. They're. like, "Oh, look, eyeballs.". We're yet to get. We're yet to get an animal. You have You. have dogs. Mhm. You have one dog, two. dogs? >> Two dogs. And you don't run the Instagram pages. for these Someone's running the dog. Instagram page. Yeah. Um so, we got a little guy named. Charlie. He is a King Charles King. Charles Cavalier Spaniel. Yeah. His This is the furthest animal away. from wolf that is possible. Like cuz. they all came from wolves. But he's the.

furthest from wolf. He has no He is this. big. He's adorable. >> like we're in the big week in the. stockings and all the I mean, you know, I was uh to be King Charles. >> I just give him kisses. >> [laughter]. >> He's a sweetie, though. That's what they look like. >> Yeah. That's what they look like. I mean, come. on. Look at that face. They're just so. sweet. They're so happy just to be. around you and they're just so loving. And they like he makes sounds like a. person. Like he was doing something. Like he was licking all this water that. was coming off of a drain and I go,

"Hey, stop doing that." And I picked him. up and he went, >> [laughter]. >> He makes a heart in that dog. Oh, I love. it. But they don't They don't make me. feel sad. They're a little dog who look. interesting. Oh, that's him. That's. Charlie. Yeah, that's Charlie. Um And they upset me. And the And the long dogs, like the. sausage dogs with the back problems. Anything that looks like it. >> Right. >> It's ready to die. >> No, no, I know what you mean. I know. what you mean. Like a golden retriever. is great. Yeah, well, I have one of. those, too. Yeah, it's my favorite. >> Those two dogs are great. This is not.

like a pug. They're very active. They're. really They're They're very. >> It's like a water dog. It's a [ __ ] dog that's just like a. house dog. They're just like a little. love machine. Just a little pat. He's a. sweet, sweet little guy. Like he's the. best. He's so nice. He's like so and he. just relentlessly tortures my dog, Marshall. The big dog? Yeah, who's the. most tolerant dog on earth. He just lays. there and the dog The puppy's like. like biting him and biting his ear. He's. a year old.

>> Okay. So, we've had him for whatever, 8. months, I guess. Like how How many. months they give him to you? 3 months. old? Something like that. How old are. puppies when you get them? >> should should be, I think, 8 weeks old, I think, maybe. >> Yeah. So, we probably had him for 10. months. He's a [ __ ] adorable. >> You cannot travel with a dog to. Australia. You have to get them all. kinds of shots. Right. >> Yeah, he got in big trouble for that, right? I think that was the beginning of. the end of that marriage. I think it was from the moment he said. They were happy. They were happy until that dog problem. But the guy who.

There was a politician who stopped. Johnny Depp, who was like he came out. and said, "We're going to destroy his. dogs." And then everyone made fun of him. in America. But that guy is now doing. He's like. big in the pop emergent populist right. in Australia over the last 6 months. And. he got He wanted to kill Johnny Depp's. dogs? >> Yeah, he's a great speaker. He was like, "I don't care if you are People. magazine's sexiest man of the year. Get. your dogs out." Oh, why? What's the big. deal? Uh we have no rabies. We have We We're very precious about the.

border. That's all we've got. His name's. Barnaby Joyce. He is sick. Demanded dogs leave the country within. 48 to 50 hours or be put down, citing. strict quarantine laws designed to. protect diseases like rabies. But here's. the thing, just test them. How much does. it cost to test a dog. >> Can I Rabies is probably pretty quick. >> Barnaby Joyce drunk. So, this was short. not long after that. An issue with the. If you Yeah, Pistol and Boo. Yeah, go. Barnaby Joyce drunk. They caught him on. the streets. of Adelaide of Canberra, which is where. the capital is. And he was just passed. out [laughter] in the street.

There he is, down the bottom. Barnaby. Boo, yeah. The bottom one. >> Yeah. But he's He's just He's just lying on. the street. >> [laughter]. >> When was it? It wasn't that long ago. Joyce but. >> [laughter]. >> That man was in the government. Good. What's wrong? It's a safe place. [laughter] to live. I was walking back. to my accommodations after Parliament. rose at 10:00 p.m. Oh, that's all he was. doing. Just walking back to his.

accommodations. >> like him a lot. Look, he's just taking a nap. He's just. chilling. We have a strong. >> a long walk. Yeah, man. Give the guy a. break. It's kind of weird finally We. were the last country to have like a. right-wing populist thing happen. You. guys had the Trump and then. England is having it happen with like in. a in a big way. It's really starting to. swing there. It's still swinging right. now in Australia. >> And what's What's causing that? >> Terrorist attack was not good. Yeah. >> Um and then also running out of petrol.

really has upset people. Yeah. >> Uh we don't have We don't make our own. gas. We had two refineries. One of them. accidentally blew up a week ago. Do you. think it accidentally blew up? I have no. comment to make on. >> [laughter]. >> What do you think, though? No, I think. probably someone. Seems like real bad luck. Seems like it. I mean, they would have been doing it at. like max capacity. Maybe they did it. past when it was safe, but it's not uh. I thought I wasn't going to make it out. of the country. Cuz they're out of gas? >> Flights started to get canceled. Yeah.

So, I made it. We'll see if I can get. back. And if not. >> Hope you can't. Well, I'll just stay in. Austin for another couple of months. I'm sorry, honey. Just we got a last. spot for you. >> choice. You can work here. It is so nice getting to do it. It is so. nice having a club that no It's like. there's four cities in the world where. you can do it. I think about this a lot. There's nowhere like In America, there's. three and there'd be London. That's it. That's it. >> what? That there's like. multiple rooms with lineup shows every.

night of the week. >> Right. >> So, people can just go and run 10, 15. minutes. Yeah. And like at a good room. with people. >> And get paid. And get paid. I mean, you. need all of those factors to be able to. do it. And you also need other comics. around you. Yes. This is one of the. things that we were talking about last. night in the green room. Like you know, me and Ari Ari Shaffir's in town. And. we were saying you can't be like the. best comic in the world and just live in. a small town in. you know, Cincinnati. It's like it.

doesn't exist. By yourself, doesn't. exist. The comedy doesn't exist in the. back. >> it in a little town in Arizona and the. pressure seems to have driven that. comedy club owner right over the edge. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, Stanhope's boy. But that. guy was crazy already, right? >> Okay. I didn't know a thing about it. I. just saw him give the speech. >> Well, if he's hanging with Stanhope, you know, Stanhope tends to collect some. people that are on the fringe. I'm not. blaming Doug Stanhope. >> a different scene, right? Like Stanhope, you know, was just kind of being out. there by himself and it didn't even have.

a comedy club for the longest time while. he lived there. It wasn't like there was. a whole comedy scene there in Bisbee. >> It's like 20,000 people? It's very. small. He knows everybody, right? But the Austin thing was very different. Like we were. stuck here. There was There was not a. lot of options. We could have gone to. Houston. Could have gone to Dallas. Maybe Nashville. No what Maybe Florida. There was no place else that we were. allowed to do comedy. >> Nashville is. would be the next one. It's really. trying. Nashville's got Zany's, which is. awesome. It's a great club. Um They have.

big They got Theo there. They've got. Nate there. Nate and Theo both live. there. But I don't know how many sets. they're doing in town. You know, Nate is. doing [ __ ] stadiums. He's doing these. giant places all over the world. And. Theo is killing it and he's got one of. the best podcasts in the world. >> But there are definitely there are like. Nashville comics who are coming out who. I see around the place [clears throat]. who are doing really well. Sure. I'm. sure there's a smaller scene. But in. terms of like a lot of work, Austin's. the spot right now. Because there's. seven clubs on our street.

Hold on. That's nuts. Within a block. radius, you've got Creek and the Cave, which is over on Seventh. You've got. Sunset, which is right next to us. You. got Black Rabbit. You've got the Velv the Room. Yes. I'm going to count Shakespeare's next. door. Yeah. I'll allow that. >> comedy? Um. I love the Velv the Room. I love I That. place been around forever. >> forever and uh is the gay cabaret next. door. I don't think it's expressly gay.

I just call it a gay cabaret. >> You like going in there? I went there. one one evening. I was having a full. mental breakdown. I don't know why. Just. a classic, you know, Out of nowhere? Uh you know, the kids, it's a lot of pressure. Maybe the act. wasn't working. Maybe I've been on the. road. I don't know. And I was down. I. was depressed. And I wandered into them. doing their the Esther's Follies show. I. just sat up the back and I had a pina. colada. And they were all like. There was a magician. There was. >> [laughter]. >> just a very camp magician. And then. they're singing like campy show tunes.

about the Supreme Court or something. Like they're still doing SNL style. sketches. And it was like. You know, it was dumb and it was hokey, but it made me so happy. Oh, that's. nice. >> Just to like have. people having a good time. Razzle. dazzle, smiling. There was no. bitterness. Happiness. Yeah. And it made. me want to fix my act so that I wasn't. You know, like sometimes I feel I get up. there and I'm just like screaming and I. look unpleasant. And these people like. You owe people a show. Yes. >> I don't think you look unpleasant. You. but you're just very self-conscious. That's all it is. >> sometimes. I did the Creek and the Cave last night.

and I did a lot of screaming into. >> [laughter]. >> Did you abyss? I was like, yeah. Another great club. [ __ ] great great. Great Creek and the Cave is a great. club. It's a fun place. When it's. packed, it's rocking. And you know, there's a lot of good. comedy coming out of that. But I mean, that's where she was at. New York is on the up again. New York is. finally Everybody that I talked to, all. my friends from New York, I'll say that. there's a lot of clubs opening, there's. a lot going on. It's It's It's hopping.

Didn't they just open up. an Was it an Improv in Brooklyn? Did. they open up an Improv in Brooklyn? I know that Top Secret Comedy has just. like a London club has just moved there. Hmm, interesting. [clears throat]. I don't know how it's going, but they're. doing like a free model. If people. >> They're trying to do They were trying to. do a UCB in Austin. I don't know if. that's still happening. The problem with. UCB is UCB in LA didn't pay. at all. Is this Improv? No, Upright Upright Citizens Brigade? They have some improv, but they do. >> that was like Second City. I didn't.

know. They [clears throat] do stand up. shows. Yeah, but they don't pay you. They don't pay? No, which is crazy. There was a history of that at the. store. Sure. That was the the There was. like this big protest. What does it say? Improv Brooklyn. There you go. That's a. strong zone. Well, I was just Yeah, I. think Joey said he was going there. It's. It's a completely new place. All right, this I don't know if this is completely. correct. >> But this is what I'm saying. It's like. it's popping. Some of them are coming. back. >> Some Improvs are black and some are not.

What? >> Like some Improvs around the country are. like just black rooms. If I look at the. lineup. Not saying here You sound You. sound like a. In Cleveland the Improv is just a black. club. I've done the Improv in Cleveland, I think. It's a black club. Really? I'm. not negative. I like I like I would like. I like playing black clubs. Improv in. Cleveland It sounds racist. So, it's. Cleveland is That's one It's close to. Kentucky, right? >> getting this right? Maybe it's. Pittsburgh. I don't think there is. No, Pittsburgh's not but I've been in that. place No, I've done that one as well. Improv in Pittsburgh is great. That's.

coming up there as well. I'm telling Well, Hilarities was the. non-racially. >> Go back to that website real quick. Look at all the different ones. Wow. There's not one in Cleveland, though. There's a ton of them. Is one of those. fake Cleveland Maybe it shut down. So, the other There's a club in Cleveland. There is a club in Cleveland that I went. to way back in the day. Um. but it's really You land in Kentucky and. then you drive to Cleveland. What? Yeah. No, Cincinnati. Oh, is it Cincinnati? Yeah, that makes.

more sense. Okay, that's it. You're. right. >> to drive out. Ohio is more built up than people give. credit before. Three huge cities. They got that chili that they love. It's. great. Columbus is Cincinnati has the. most beautiful skyline. You ever do the. Funny Bone Columbus? Yes. >> [ __ ] great club. >> Oh, it was very nice. That's Does it. have a balcony? I'm pretty sh- Yes. Columbus Funny Bone has a balcony? They. would have definitely changed it since. you've been there last. Is it a new one? No, not Oh, they just I don't know. Has. it a balcony? >> renovated the whole room. Oh.

[clears throat]. >> having the balcony. They must have had. to add seats. It was killing it. >> Everywhere that has a balcony is my. favorite. >> Once you have a place that's a club that. gets good acts in every weekend. Okay, okay. Shut the [ __ ] up. What's that? [laughter] They love going. to see Eddie Griffin at the Cleveland. Improv. Come on. This is 2020. Maybe it closed. This is 2020? Oh, six years ago. >> know. It's like when I typed in. Cleveland Improv So, who's that? Lou Nell's there? And Tony Baker was. there? >> Bone is what comes up, though. >> I will not be besmirched for [laughter].

making a very genuine observation about. how black the Cleveland Improv was. That's hilarious. Cuz I tried to get on. I was. [clears throat] trying to do black rooms. when I. I got to uh I got to open for Finesse. Mitchell. That was the first black room. I got to play. Nice. I've slowed down. There's not heaps of black rooms in. Austin. I should go over to Houston. sometimes and Yeah, where are the black. rooms in Austin? I think the mothership. Yeah, probably, right? >> lineups at the ship, yeah. I still I. still think Chocolate Sundays could work. at the mothership. I can't run it.

You could. That would be fun. I feel. like you should just have shows. I think. themes are [ __ ] They tried to do an. Italian theme at the Comedy Store for a. while. Like Night of a Thousand Guidos, I think they called it. And I did it and. I was like, [snorts] what am I doing? I'm on this show with all these other. Italians just because they're Italian. >> There is something different about a. black audience. Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a different skill set, I. found. It's a different skill set and. they they won't tolerate nonsense. They. won't tolerate all this like what else?

What else? No, no, no, no, no. They're. not here for that, which I think is. good. >> even make fun of gay You can't just You. can't mention gay stuff at all, I think. >> Really? Oh, man. I I had a trans bit. Just people were not happy to hear it. Like, why is he talking about that? Why [laughter] are you bringing that up? We're out here to have a nice night. It was like on a dime it turned. Really? Yeah. And then people told me afterwards. they don't want to hear about They don't. want to hear that word from you. Really?

Interesting. >> It was uh. It was fun. If I felt very alive when it. was going well. And also black people giving you. compliment I just an Aussie boy coming. off stage and have a black [laughter]. guy You got a good stage presence. I was. like, oh, [ __ ] Thank you so much. That's awesome. I um Yeah, black people. are That was That was very eye-opening. when I came to America. You don't have a. lot of that in Australia. We have. Africans and we have Aboriginal people, but we have no If you wear a cool coat. in Australia, no one will tell you about. it. Hmm. There will be no one to say. >> Yeah, there's a very big difference.

between African Americans. >> Yeah. and black people worldwide. Like. African Americans are responsible for so. much of the culture, music, comedy. There's like so much of an impact that. African Americans have had on the world. Think about just just hip-hop music. Yeah. Right? So, hip-hop music doesn't. even exist until I was in middle school. Like late '70s? Yeah. So, I was in. middle school. I went to high school in. '81 and when was Sugarhill Gang's.

hip-hop hibbity dibbity hip-hop? What. was that song called? Rapper's Delight. So, that song came out when I was I. think I was 13. I think I was 13. I. think I was in middle 1979 is when it. >> Yeah, okay. Yeah, they formed. That. makes sense. So, when I was in When we. first moved to Boston, my family didn't. have much money. We we lived in a place. called Jamaica Plain. And it's since. been kind of gentrified, but that back.

then it was not. It was the first time. I'd ever been around scary kids. >> Yeah. Like violent, delinquent kids who. had all had sex. I hadn't had sex. All. these kids had They're like, you don't. even know where a [ __ ] is, do you? I'm. like, it's down there. >> [laughter]. >> They're like, you probably think you go. right into it, right? You got to go up. I'm like, okay. I don't [ __ ] know. I. I never even kissed a girl. I was like, what the [ __ ] are you guys talking. about? But they were like lighting. fires, doing crazy [ __ ] Like they were. delinquents, stealing things, breaking and entering. Yeah. And so, I went to this high school.

middle school, rather. And this middle school was in a poor. neighborhood. And I remember there was a. kid that was in my class. I was 13. He. was 17 years old and he kept failing. He. kept failing and coming back. He would. come back for like a couple weeks or two. and then he would quit. And I remember. seeing him at the beginning of the. school year and I'm going, I can't. believe he's 17 and he's in class with. me. This is nuts. And then I was filled. with this like this sense of dread for. him, for his future. Like this [ __ ]. guy's never going to graduate middle.

school. So, he's never going to go to. high school. He's [ __ ] 17. Like will. they even allow you to go to high school. if you're 21? Like what What year do. they say you can't come here anymore? You failed nine years in a row. At some point it was that kind of kids. It was that kind of kids. And then. there was like kids making out in class. I remember this Puerto Rican girl, she. asked a question to the teacher. She. said, "If I'm making out with a guy and. I'm and he's breathing into my mouth and.

I'm breathing into his, can we stay alive LIKE THAT?". >> [laughter]. >> I. I KNOW I KNOW. NO, IT'S carbon dioxide. I never forgot that question. Can we. stay alive like that? It was the. craziest question. She was like, can we. breathe each other's air and and not. open our mouths? And I was like, what. are you doing, you [ __ ] dirty freak? So, a lot of girls dropped out like. while I was there because they got. pregnant. Sure. It was dangerous. >> Where were you before then, though? Were. you in a more middle class You were in a.

more middle class place before then? >> Yeah, I was in Florida. I was in. Gainesville, Florida, which was like way. safer. It was. It was pretty cool. You may have moved. around more than anyone I know. I moved. around a lot. So, I lived in New Jersey. until I was seven and then lived in San. Francisco from seven to 11 and then. lived in Florida from 11 to 13 and then. Boston from 13 to 24. Do you. I mean, cuz you're you're now. Your kids are growing up in They were in. LA and then they're here part time. Do. you think.

I I worry about my kids cuz I've I th- I. don't think they've ever been in the. same house for more than. one year. Like I have a 7-year-old daughter. She's. been in seven houses now. Uh cuz we've had to move a lot and I. wonder what impact that is making. Well, as long as they're young, I honestly. think it has a positive effect. This is. my take on what it did for me. Um I was forced to form my own opinions. instead of adopting the opinions of a. group of people that were around me.

because I never had a consistent group. of people that were around me. I met a. bunch of new people everywhere I went. and I had new friends everywhere I went. and completely new environments. everywhere I went. So, I went from San. Francisco in the 1970s. right into Florida. And Florida was so. backwards in terms of their mentality in. comparison to San Francisco. San. Francisco We lived in Hippieville. It. was all like anti-war people and it's. San Francisco in the 1970s. And so, then.

I moved to Florida and it was like. I had this friend, his name was Candy. His last name was Candido. Everybody. called him Candy. And his dad was like. this really angry Cuban guy. And I. remember him slamming a newspaper on the. table. And he was like, "These [ __ ] want. to marry. This is crazy. Like they're. going to let [ __ ] marry each other.". And I remember thinking like, "What do you care?" Cuz I lived in San. Francisco. We're surrounded by gay. people. Our neighbors were gay. My aunt.

used to smoke pot with them and they'd. all get naked and play bongo drums. Cuz. like she felt comfortable being naked. around these guys who had no interest in. that sort of thing. >> it in now. I would say having now seen. San Francisco. >> bit. But that's not It's not the gays. that caused San Francisco to go down the. way it is. It's this crazy progressive. politics where they allow people to camp. on the streets. >> I just I went to a diner and I saw a man. He was wearing assless chaps and sitting. on that. That upset me. Apparently If. you're gay, it'd be a good spot. >> The public nudity is your You have to. cover the urethra. Oh.

>> But if you cover the urethra, everything. else is fine. Oh, so you just like put a. piece of tape over the hole? >> eye over the jack eye. Nice. >> Maybe you can't call it that. You can. You just did. >> Okay. >> [laughter]. >> No, but that's So that that would have. That helped you become more cuz you. would have like a weirdly independent. mentality. That's why. Yeah. So that I. think going to a bunch of different. places and. seeing that oh, people think completely. differently over here than they think. over here. This is weird. You know, I. remember when I lived in. Florida, I had to ask my mother what the.

N-word meant cuz I heard it at school. And she got upset with me. She goes, "You know what it means." I go, "I. don't. I don't what it means." And she's. like, "It's a It's a bad word for black. people." I was like, "Whoa, really?". Like it made no sense to me. Cuz. the formative years I think were really. important. And I think 7 [clears throat]. to 11 in San Francisco was really. important for me. Because. in a way, at least for me, it was a very. much a utopian. city.

It was like very open-minded. It was. very peaceful. There was very little. crime, like real crime. >> beautiful place in It was gorgeous. It was gorgeous. We'd I'd go fishing. I. had this guy There was like this. community center and this guy named. Cliff would take us fishing. It was. really cool. Like there was a lot of. like good things about San Francisco. back then. And there was a lot of. artists. And there was a lot of like It. was a cool vibe. You know, it was a It. was a very open-minded vibe that was A.

lot of it was centered around the. anti-war movement and peace. You know, there was a lot It was like It was a. different kind of And they were sort of. just like just getting over the. psychedelic wave of the 1960s, right? So. this is like they were still in that. mode. >> It was still like an artist-driven Yeah. [clears throat]. A lot of open pot smoking. It was a lot. of like. It just hippies. But But in the best. way. It wasn't camping on the streets. It wasn't There was no fentanyl back.

then. There was no And there's no. homelessness. Like homelessness was. super rare. Yeah. >> Like in the 1970s, like when I was a. kid, I never saw people camped out in. the street. You never saw any of that. You occasionally saw a bum. And it was. usually some poor [ __ ] who's It's like a. drunk guy, right? >> Or lost his way. >> if you if you look at Dirty Harry or On. the Waterfront, whenever there is a like. a depiction of. Like whenever they're doing vagrants in. the '50s and '60s, it's like a drunk guy.

stumbling around. Like in Rambo, he just. wants a sandwich and they chase him out. of town. Right. And then, you know, it's. it's trouble. But now there's like. They're everywhere. >> It's like kung fu skeletons moving. around the place. Like full of drugs. Like what is the end point of that? No. one's running on that. I remember Trump. talked about a little bit the need to. have asylums again cuz they closed the. asylums. >> Yes. Uh I mean, there are more. therapists now than there ever were. before, but they're helping like. corporate people. They're not helping. schizophrenics without a home. Like at some point. You saw Trump bring the army in to.

places like Portland or the the National. Guard to clear it out. And I think. people were quietly kind of pleased that. that was happening. Uh there was people pushed back. >> why they cleared it out? There was a. homeless situation in Portland? >> it was homelessness that they were. >> was protests. No, I think that was I. think that And Washington as well, I. think they came in to. >> was crime. >> homeless people. >> crime as well. Like Washington was like. crazy with crime. And they were all kind. of happy about it. The Well, the mayor. of DC was happy that Trump brought in.

the National Guard. But this is not It's. not a nice. You can't lose the downtowns. across America. You know how bad LA's. gotten, right? Uh yeah. LA. >> Yes, I do. Do you know how big skid Skid. Row is? Take a guess. I. What do you mean? How many people? How. many blocks? I've no idea. >> Take a guess. Two. 50. Well, that's too. many blocks. 50. >> That's That's not a road anymore. >> just completely claimed by homeless. zombies. >> No, how big are the blocks? I'm thinking.

about LA downtown. >> Big Big as [ __ ]. >> away from there. >> It's huge. >> to the Hollywood Hills and Malibu and. had a nice time. >> Downtown is nuts. Downtown LA is the. only downtown of any major city that. sucks. Like downtown New York is great. >> New York is incredible. Right. Downtown. San Francisco is [ __ ] with homeless. people, but it's still you got great. restaurants. Downtown LA is a ghost. town. I said Portland Portland is so beautiful. in the downtown, but then you will turn. down the street and it's terrifying. >> 50 to 54. Oh, it's growing.

Skid Row [snorts] in Los Angeles, officially known as Central City East, covers approximately 50 to 54 blocks. 15,000. Yeah. They don't know how many people are. there. There's just wild guesses in. terms of what the populations of. homeless people are. Even in terms of. the population of the entire city, the. high number is over 100,000 in the city. It's crazy. Look how big it is. All that. whole area is completely lost. >> a road. I thought it was like one.

street. I didn't know. >> was. back in like the 1960s. >> [sighs and gasps]. >> There's a It's like a map or something. they've drawn on a picture there. I. think it's been that way. for a long time. Look at this proposed. area. Affordable housing. Affordable. housing is just a joke. It's not what. the problem is. They're all drug. addicts. They're drug addicts and. mentally ill. >> Yeah, but what do you do there? Well, you can't let it get that bad, first of all. And if you do let it get. that bad, you got to treat it like it's. a catastrophic failure and throw as much. resources as possible at it.

>> But the problem is these people are. incentivized to keep the problem going. because that's how they make their. living. Absolutely. They don't have any motivation. whatsoever to fix it. Because if the. homeless population drops down to like a. very small number, and then they don't. need all these people that are making. half a million dollars a year on the. homeless commission. It's complete. grifting. I. I don't I don't have a It's not my. country. I don't have any big problem. with Gavin Newsom. You know, I don't. understand how LA has Every story that.

comes out of California seems to be. Okay, so here it says between 1960 and. 1975, 50% of the housing in Skid Row was. demolished, reducing the total number of. units from 15,000 to 7,500 and. displacing thousands of poor residents. with nowhere else to go but the street. While Skid Row was never a wealthy. neighborhood, its current status as the. homeless capital of America is the. result of decades of policy choices. which has simultaneously encouraged the. destruction of existing afforda- See, this is By the way, this is a very.

progressive perspective. >> Yeah, cuz it's a different perspective. The real perspective is that what they. used Skid Row for was when they would. find vagrants in Beverly Hills and. vagrants in Holly- in Hollywood, they. would move them to Skid Row and then. they would kind of contain them in that. area. >> So they were right here. Yeah. Yeah. >> Dumping. So encouraging practice. Yeah. >> the homeless. With homeless medical. patients. Like other See, this is a very. progressive perspective. Homeless. medical patients. How about vagrants who.

are drug addicts? You can call them. medical patients. Like you're just being. kind. This is just too charitable. From. the across the region. So they would. dump them there. And then they also had. like food kitchens there and stuff like. that. So they they had a incentive to. stay, but they kept them there. And so then it kept growing because the. homeless problem keeps growing and. growing and growing. >> psychosis and drugs. That's the ultimate. >> Yes. Drugs are the big one. It's And. drugs are the the drug use in Skid Row.

is probably 100%. It's not like regular homeless people. literally. >> and I saw I was I had walked into the. train station through the downtown, which I No one told me not to do it. And. I saw all these very sad homeless. people. And then one guy with a big. smile. He was so happy. Probably got his. fentanyl. Well, no. That's the first. time I saw crack being smoked. Yeah. It has a great smell. Smells kind of. sweet. Yeah. Like What what like Smells. like sweet, like a rotten apple. That's. how it felt at the time. Huh. I don't. know if that was the crack or if I mean,

he was smoking crack and I could smell. that, but he was so happy and I didn't. want to take his crack away. You know, it's like he's the only thing you've. really got going for you today. Yeah, I. think crack. >> Obviously we should take it away. >> not good for you, but probably better. for you than fentanyl. It's all I think with crack, you're. active. Crack makes you go do a bunch of stuff. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> This is weird seeing heroin people for. the first time cuz they're not like a. threat. Australia's still a very meth. country. We're like Uh meth is a. problem. >> It's a lot of like skinny shirtless men.

on the bus. >> Angry. Yeah. Crack. >> twitching. Yeah. So we're still very. methy. But meth doesn't seem to be as. big here now. Oh, it's big. It's big in. certain communities. Yeah. Meth is still. big. It's like, you know, what what you've. got in ho- I mean, the the homeless. situation in Skid Row wasn't always. fentanyl and heroin. I mean, at one. point in time it was meth. You know, it's it's a gang of different. things. I'm sure there's people there. that are doing ketamine. >> you just start killing. drug deal Do you do like in Singapore,

you just have a zero tolerance policy? No. I don't know long term what the. answer is because. >> look, you could do it that way, but it. would be very inhumane and it would also. set a precedent for how you treat a. bunch of other situations. Yeah. And. that's not good. It's dangerous. >> when they had an opium problem in China, they just put them in the military. They like give people a new sense of. purpose. You've got a uniform now. We're. going to blame someone else for the. problem. This is Western imperialism did. this to you. Yeah. And that seemed to. help. Like they don't have a big opium. problem in China anymore.

Mhm. >> Um also, I don't know how official that. is and how many people they did just. kill cuz it's the communist government. Yeah. They're allowed to They lie. They might lie. They definitely lie. >> Although last time I was a couple months. ago I was here and Kurt Metzger was. telling me the Tiananmen Square was. not all that bad. Yeah, I don't know if. I would have listened. >> I didn't do [laughter] enough digging. From everything he says from a short. Google search, I can agree with it. But. I'm sure if I dug down, I'd have more. questions. I haven't seen him actually since I got. back. Is he still here? Oh, yeah, he's.

out of his [ __ ] mind. He's great. Most people are still here. He's the. best. He's been on. He but he you can't talk. conspiracies with him cuz it'll just. kill chain them one after another after. another and then 3 minutes in, you. forgot what you're even talking about. cuz he's he's moved on to some scandal. in the 1970s with call boys and Congress. and. >> Oh, you expect him about Reagan? Yeah. Yeah, what was what is it called the. Franklin Is tapes. >> Assange was talking to me about. >> Franklin scandal. Franklin scandal.

Assange was bringing that up last night. He's reading a book on it. I want to. think that Reagan was a good guy. I. always like I don't think it's Reagan. I. think it's whoever's in his cabinet. I. mean It was. Well, he's dead. He can't He was saying. things about Reagan getting pegged. What? Who was saying that? Kurt was talking about that there was a. tape somewhere of Reagan getting pegged. I was like, I don't want to know that. These guys don't even think the Artemis. flight went past the moon. They didn't? Kurt thinks there's a. secret space program. and that this space program is [ __ ].

There's a real space program and they're. using this space program to. obfuscate. It just seems very. complicated for people to do. >> might be saying it incorrectly. He knows. a lot of things about a lot of things. >> then when I dig in, often it seems true. A lot of it is true. >> I don't I think the government is. incompetent everywhere. Mhm. And if they. were able to get that one thing of. you know, building a fake space program to conceal. a truth space program, it seems. unlikely. >> Yeah, well, do you know the how much. money you'd have to.

have to run two space programs, one real. one and one fake one? That's crazy. Just. the Nazi real one cost so much. Well, the Nazi one was real. Yeah. Yeah. That's come out. Everyone seems Some. people are still not aware of it. I've. had conversations with people. where they they don't want to admit it. Where they they can't believe it. Do you. know NASA was run by Nazis? They're. like, what? You can't tell me about. Wernher von Braun. And they they want to like there's a lot. of people that are like Nats NASA. fanboys. And these NASA fanboys don't want to.

believe that NASA was run by literal. Nazis. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, not necessarily like there. were scientific Nazis. There were Nazis. Wernher von Braun used to hang the. slowest uh the five slowest Jews at his. uh his rocket factory in Berlin. The Simon Wiesenthal Center said that if. he was alive today, they would have. prosecuted him for crimes against. humanity. I mean, do you think that. story got out when he was at NASA and. everyone worked a little harder? >> well. There was no Freedom of. Information Act releases. There was no.

internet. When Operation Paperclip was. first initiated, they got I don't know. what the number is of Nazi scientists, but it was more than a thousand. How how many Nazi scientists put this. into our wonderful AI sponsor. Perplexity. [clears throat]. >> [laughter]. >> Our AI sponsor that gives me all my. information. How many Nazi scientists. were brought over by the United States. uh for Operation Paperclip? It's I don't. know that there's an official number. This is what led me to do my research.

like 10 years ago. It was this exact. question. Well, but let's just see what. Perplexity has to say. I'm guessing. I'm better I'm going to. guess about 1,500. >> Also, I as I'm looking this up, I will. note that supposedly they were split. [sighs] up like evenly between the. Soviets and the United States. >> true. Yeah, the Soviets took a bunch of. them as well. >> know that I didn't know they divvied it. up. Yeah, I I read a book about it. um. a long time ago. >> I I just started getting into the Soviet. space program. It's great. Oh, yeah. Like the is it the. Venus missions? Am I getting that right?

Were they Oh, yeah, they got a thing on. Venus and took pictures and sent them. back. >> But then it was so it was so hot that. everything would like 1,600. 1,600s. Right. Typically stated about 1,600. German scientists, engineers, and. technicians were brought to the United. States under Operation Paperclip. So, I. was pretty close. Um to reel back. though, I was trying to dig through this article. as you guys are talking. >> About Nixon getting pegged or Reagan? Political article. The plot to out. Reagan. A group of Republicans tried to. stymie what they alleged was a nefarious. homosexual network within the campaign.

of their own party's standard-bearer. This is what I made. He says something. that sounds crazy and then you do a. search. You got. >> was trying to pick a vice president, there's somewhere in here and I'm trying. to find it. It says that someone had a. tape of an orgy. Uh Yes. No. Yeah. Well, didn't Reagan Reagan. frequented Bohemian Grove? Isn't that. correct? Uh. I believe he did. Everybody. Yeah, a lot.

of people did. Right. But Reagan did. But you remember what Nixon said about. Bohemian Grove? The faggiest place I've. ever seen. The goddamn faggiest thing. I've ever seen. Have you heard Alex. Jones talking about it? Yes. Well, Alex. Jones went. Alex Jones told me about it. right after he went. I thought you. engaged in a homosexual act with Reagan. Okay, it was not until a boozy lunch. with a man claiming to have been a long. time Reagan associate. However, the best. found what he believed to be the smoking. gun proving that Reagan was controlled.

by homosexuals. Bill, you don't. understand the problem, the man told. Best. I once engaged in a homosexual act. with Reagan. That's a different time. Yes, I'm I. don't know. This These are all up until. now in this article, these are rumors. Uh Right. >> know that this video ever came out, but. there's. Interesting. >> long article about it. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting. I was trying to find an answer and I. didn't really get to this. This is a.

different time period in life too that I. don't I wasn't even alive for. Right. Wow. I don't believe it. I do. I love Reagan. I do too. I love. him too, but I think there's a lot of. those guys that are like staunchly. conservative and very buttoned-down that. are that way for a reason. And one of. the reasons is they're trying to hide. the fact that they're gay. I never. understand this stuff cuz we've there. are lots where I'm from. Gay? >> And South is uh like conservative party.

Definitely gay guys. But thin but like. so like everybody knows. Everybody's aware. Mhm. But they don't. want it coming out and they never. acknowledge. But [laughter] like it just. seems so strange. You would want to not have a secret if. you're a politician cuz otherwise people. would just get you to do what they want. >> Yeah, but they have secrets and then. they want to be politicians and then. they just deal with all the people that. know their secrets and then they make. deals. But like like there That's how you stay. in business. >> even say there are people in the United. States Congress and Senate who are.

conservative. So, we all got. Yeah, that guy's gay. 100%. Everybody. knows. So, it's you know. So, I asked. for the accuracy of this article and. Perplexity gave me a like summary, I. guess, that makes. more sense than trying to make sense of. a 20-page article in 2 minutes. Mhm. Okay. It comes from my phone. Factual. grounding and sources. One key factual. back Scroll up a little bit. On the No. Up uh on the key factual backbone, the. article lines up with other publicly. documented material.

Uh Kerchik refers repeatedly to memos. and notes from the Washington Post. editor Ben Bradlee's papers, including. summaries by reporter Scott Armstrong. and Ted Gup. These papers are held in. institutional archives and have been. referenced in other discussions of. Secret City. The 1967 homosexual ring. allegations connected to Reagan's. Sacramento staff and Jack Camp's is. independently attested in contemporary. press accounts, including reporting that. Reagan's security chief.

investigated alleged homosexual activity. and that columnist Drew Pearson raised. these charges at the time. The So, here's the thing about gays. >> ring. There's always a certain amount of. gay people in a population. And then. it's whether or not the culture accepts. them. Yes. There's always a certain. percentage. There's yes, people who are. attracted to Yeah. No matter what you. do, there's a certain percentage. And so, if you've got enough people in. Congress and enough people in the Senate.

and enough enough people just in. government in general, you're going to. have. an equivalent percentage of people that. are gay. And if you are a person who wants to get. to the top of the charts, like here's. the thing you don't think of. What is You think Hollywood is very. open, right? Very non-homophobic. In. fact, celebrates diversity and. celebrates LGBTQ people, right? Yeah, I. mean, openly. But but not. So, here's. the thing. One thing you can't be is an.

openly gay person and be a a male lead. in films. Uh. I mean, that would make sense as to why. people keep that quiet. I'm trying to. think of one You can't be You're an. actor. You can pretend. to be a werewolf, >> Yeah. but you can't pretend to be. straight. You can't pretend to be straight. >> Yeah, they won't allow you. So, if you're gay, you have to pretend. Yeah. You have to pretend you're not gay. because you can't act in a movie where. we know you're gay and you pretend to be.

straight, we won't buy it. >> there is a movie where there is gay. person they get it obviously straight. Like like in Milk. They don't get a gay guy to play that. role. They get a straight guy to be gay. for it. >> One example. Yeah, but that's from that. show. He was never a TV He was never a. movie leading man. Just what's just one. example though. I know, but he's a TV. guy. But then people make allegations. about. >> it's like he's got a It's a cartoon. character. Like that How I Met Your. Mother, that's a cartoon character. Like like straight guy. Like you don't. believe it at all. Like first of all,

he's not attractive like in that way. He's not masculine. And the fact that he. gets all these hot girls to have sex. with them, none of it makes any sense. Did you see Gone Girl? It's just. writing. Yeah, I did. He where he's. playing the. He was excellent. Yeah, he's great. I. wish that movie like eight times. [ __ ] awesome. >> I really That helped me work through a. lot of trauma with women. Bro, that movie was crazy. But the point. is like you can't be an openly gay guy. and be a movie star. Yes. Cuz you won't. be able to kiss women on stage. Can you. think of one? Uh on screen rather. There's not one. There's I know a bunch.

of closeted ones, but there's no openly. gay action movie star. Well, there were. No, actually there's there would be. none. There's none. There's There's stars who have played. played gay people. >> guys play gay people. You know, like um. what's his face? James Bond, English. guy. >> Daniel Craig. Daniel Craig. Knives Out, he plays a gay guy. Yeah, that's right.

Um. Yeah, I was thinking of Milk. Yeah, he plays a gay guy in Knives Out, but he's not like making out with. anybody. He just like lives with a guy. >> I never I never watched Knives Out cuz I. was so angry at the second Star Wars. movie. I loved It's the [laughter] same. director. Like I was just so And I loved. Looper. I thought Looper was fantastic. I hated that movie. I was one of those. guys. who was like Which one was that? What. was it called? Uh man, it was not Force Awakens. It was the one. that came after that. It was um What.

year is this? 2017. I'm all over the place with dates. But. don't you think though that I didn't. watch any of the new ones, but don't you. think though that when you were dealing. if you're dealing with a Star Wars those. franchise movies, you're dealing with. an There's no way they just give you. carte blanche. There's no way they just. let you write a script, let you produce. it, let you put it together, let you. direct it the way you want. They have. insane amounts of input. >> one was so stylistically strange and.

such a departure. He was making a. Rise of Skywalker is Yeah, maybe it's. that one. Yeah, is that it? Is that the No, the second one. Does. anybody really give a [ __ ] about these. new Star Wars movies? Uh not anymore. But it was you know, it was exciting. When George Lucas was doing it, at least. he was like. We're going to have a Jew alien and a. Korean aliens. It's about trade wars. And he was like They did that? Episode one. Oh man, episode one is a nightmare if.

you go back and watch episode one. Which. one's episode one? >> Episode one is like little Anakin and. the pod racing. Jar Jar Binks. Jar Jar Binks is like a hugely troubled. Like 1999 when it. >> He's just speaking in a patois the whole. time. But uh I mean it all has to end. I. think I think it's finally winding down. like the Marvel Cinematic Universe seems. to be. coming to a close. No, they [ __ ] back. up. No, no, Marvel's not, but Star Wars. they woke. They [ __ ] it up. Yeah. They They made. it all like this stupid woke message.

>> was the woke one. That was the one where. it was like It was there were ladies who. couldn't do anything wrong and all the. men were worse. And the ladies generals. and the men are all terrified of them. Yeah. So save it. This is nonsense. It's all It's a. These But these woke messages just. destroy the actual film. Like I We were. talking about this the other day that a. feminist show that no one thinks of as a. feminist show is how is Game of Thrones. Because [snorts] she turns into a No, it's a completely feminist show. The. women women are all badasses. Yes. Every.

woman Arya Stark, badass. Daenerys. Targaryen, badass. Cersei Lannister, badass. >> Yeah. Uh. Brienne of Tarth, badass. Kills I mean. almost kills the Hound. They're all. women. Yeah. The women run everything. They're beasts. Sansa Stark, badass. >> And a lot of the men that don't see. things coming that don't know how. Yeah, yeah. Idiots get their heads. chopped off. Yeah. They're [ __ ] The. The The women keep the [ __ ]. civilization together and they're the.

the most dominant forces in the show. Yes. Yeah. Sometimes they're lying like. that nasty prostitute who hurt that. [ __ ] man. Yeah, she but she was. unfortunate in her choices. You thought. it You think the Marvel thing is going. to keep it I think this at some point. >> to ramp it back up. They'll have a new. one. They brought back the Russo. brothers and Robert Downey Jr. Doctor. Doom's coming. Isn't it Isn't. [ __ ] Robert Downey Jr. playing Doom. as well? How does he do that? Well, you got to see the movie, man. No, no, no, no, no. How is he [ __ ] Iron.

Man and Doom? Well, they both have iron. No. No, get a new guy. I know Robert Downey Jr.'s great. You. don't have to kill Iron Man. Bring Iron. Man back. Don't you have a multiverse? Can't you pull him back and put him into. this. current timeline? I'm looking forward to it. I just don't. like when you have a whole like universe. and you have one guy playing two. characters in the universe. As much as I. love Robert Downey Jr., he. bothers the [ __ ] out of me as a comic. book fan. >> They've already had that though. Chris.

Evans is in Fantastic Four and he's. Captain America. Who is he in Fantastic Four? The first. Fantastic Four. No, there've been like four or five. Fantastic Fours. >> 2004, three Really? There've been so. many Fantastic Fours. You're right. I. never even remembered that. >> get that one working. Who does he play. in Fantastic Four? >> in the Spider-Man movie, the multiverse. one cuz like they're they bring them all. back in the same [ __ ] movie and it's. all confusing and. they bring all the bad guys back. Jamie. Fox is in the new Spider-Man and like he. was that was old movie. Do you think.

they'll be post-woke at this point? That's I'm I got to watch movies for the. first time on the plane over. I watched. like five in a row. >> their [ __ ] money And that's starting. to happen. and then start to come back. >> see Begonia? No. It was good. It was Stahvi was in that. and Emma was the guy who made the. Lobster, but that was. there were problems with it, but it was. like a pointedly like a post in the in. the same vein of like White Lotus. Okay. I think yeah, Hollywood is trying to. make self-consciously post-woke movies. I got really annoyed by it and I thought. some of it was cheap, but like I liked. what they were going for.

Um I thought the ending was Fun spoiler. alert. I won't No, I won't spoil. nothing. I won't spoil nothing. But I. did I got to I would never have seen it. if I wasn't on a flight watching 57. movies. American Fiction was like a. post-woke movie. They're like at the. moment on Delta flights they're What is. American Fiction? >> American Fiction is a book about a. It's a black author who doesn't want to. be considered a black author. He just wants to be an author. He's sick. of And then he keeps seeing all these. like terrible black books full of. stereotypes that white liberals adore. So he writes a fake book called My.

Pathology. And I think he later changes it to [ __ ]. He's just trying to like [ __ ] with. people go I'll just write the blackest. dumbest book. >> Right. So the white And then white. liberals do love it. Um And it was good It was like but it's. like pointedly like mainstream and indie. you know, big studios are trying to make. They're trying to find some continuity. from being woke to now. Is this That's. box This is a mainstream film. That one. looks like it's independent. It won an. Independent Spirit Award. Okay.

But Begonia wasn't. Uh But this other movie What What is it. called again? The one you were just. talking about? Begonia. No, the other. one. >> Oh, which one? American Fiction. Yeah. So American Fiction's independent. If. that was it might I didn't know if it. was independent. I looked it up. It made. like. tens of millions of dollars. Yeah, but. sometimes independent films that catch. on make good money. No, they did a deal. with Amazon to make a limited theatrical. release. Okay. So they they partnered. with Amazon. That's I know that's. slightly I don't I don't know if I would. count that as a big studio. No. No, if. you started it by yourself. You started. it by yourself and then you distributed.

it to Amazon. But who paid for it? Who. was the Somebody probably financed it. The director was. Was he the Onion guy? $10 million. budget. So the thing is if you want to. do something right, you kind of have to. do it that way now. Like make it. yourself and then bring it as a fully. completed project. That way you don't. have a bunch of people like the Star. Wars guy like in your ear telling you. what to do and how to direct it. Can I I. recorded a comedy special years ago for. Australia. Yeah. >> And I thought I'd just do it on my own. and then I would sell it to the network. How'd that go? They said we like it. It was one of the.

most embarrassing phone calls I've ever. had. They said that we like it. It's. very white. It's very male. I'm like, yeah, it's me. It's just me. And he they said, can you go out and. find like find five or six diverse. comedians and record their specials as. well. And then we could buy all six of. them. As I was like, [ __ ] it. I'll just. I'll put it on YouTube. I could like. I've but that was the real request was. would you find find a find a aboriginal. fella, find a lady in a wheelchair, find. some Chinese people and then you can. have your one as well and we'll buy all.

six. It was uh. Yeah, that was probably the end of me. thinking I could. work with. That was You can't work with people that. aren't creatives. And that's what those. people are. They're a bunch of people. that are caught up in whatever the. cultural moment is. Whatever they think that the winds of. The winds of discontent blow the. hardest, right? So the people that are. going to get the most upset are the. wokies. They're the ones that are going. to complain the most about a lack of. diversity. So to satisfy those people,

they'll torch their own art. They'll. They'll [ __ ] up the thing that they do. best. I mean you can work with totally. non-creative people. This was like uh. There's a Frank Zappa line about how. working in the music industry was great. when it was just a guy in a suit who. didn't care. And as soon as people had some ideas, it. was hard to make things. Right. When. someone would tell you what to do and. what not to do. it's a profit motive, that's great. You can work with those. people. Yeah, right. But there's no pure. profit motive people anymore in in in. terms of entertainment. They're all.

thinking about the cultural. like tone and what you're supposed to. and not supposed to do and what you're. being on the right side of history now. and Did you Did you see the Patrice bit. where he talked about how he liked. working with mid-level Jews? No. >> "I like mid-level Jews. I make them the. money, they leave me alone.". That makes sense. Yeah, the people that. get in your way, they all think they're. doing it for a good cause and we. experienced that like Stanhope and I.

were doing the Man Show on Comedy. Central. There was a lot of that. >> Was there? Yeah, dude. I don't even I. don't even want to go into it, but there. was Whenever you're like Ari experienced. it when he was at Comedy Central. I know. a lot of people that have experienced it. at various networks where there's always. some [ __ ] executives that want to. impose their and it's always liberal. They want to impose their progressive. values on comedy. And it's like you can't [ __ ] do that. if you want it to be funny. If you want. it to be funny, you have to it has to be. in the language and in the mind like.

from the viewpoint of one person. One. person's unique vision. One person's. unique vision that they think is. hilarious and as soon as you start. monkeying with that, as soon as you. start adding stuff to that, as soon as. you start watering it down, you're going. to kill it. You compromise it, it. becomes a candidate for mediocrity. >> But how did they Where did they start on. the Man Show? They're like, "Get the. girls off the trampolines?" What No, it. was like one of the things was they. didn't want Joey Diaz coming out naked. Okay. Okay, so we we had an intro and I.

said, "This is what I want to do for the. intro. I want Joey Diaz to come out. He's going to burst through the door. naked with Timberlands on with a. baseball hat on and just say, 'Let's get. this party started' and start dancing.". It was hilarious and they didn't want to. do it. So. this is uh the scene, I guess. But you did get to put your dick in. >> Yeah, well we we had to do it two ways. We had to do [laughter] it their way. We did it their way first and then when. their way was uh was done, we did it.

with Joey. [laughter]. Everybody went [ __ ] nuts. They all went nuts. It was awesome. But it's like they they. so strongly resisted that. That was the. only way I wanted to do it and I said, "Listen, we'll do it your way first and. then we'll do it our way." Meanwhile, that version with Joey was what they. used in all the promos. >> Yeah, of course. >> They used that when they were like, "This season of the Man Show" and then. Joey comes out naked with [ __ ] blurred. out. Um. >> [laughter]. >> but. but you're just going to get a bunch of.

people who also want to have their. fingerprints on what you're doing. So. they want to they want to somehow or. another change it. Even if it doesn't. make sense, they would have "What if. your neighbor. is a black guy who grew up with a white. family?" I "What if your neigh" And then. they they want to like change it. And. then they have "How do you do How you. doing with the black guy who has the. white family?" Like I didn't even add. that. Come on, man. Yeah. Come on, man. We got to play ball. Like these [ __ ]. want to add their own little [ __ ]. ingredients into the soup. Well, this I.

mean it's never been cheaper to make. your own thing. I would have to think. Never. You can do it on a cell phone. You can upload it to YouTube. And AI is. incredible. Yeah, there's a use for it. I hope it. doesn't. >> [sighs]. >> I'm still uncomfortable about it. You're. you're aboard. You've. You're playing new music backstage. I. didn't I couldn't I didn't pick it. That. was good, right? >> It's all good. It's I find it. frightening. Yeah. It's White Rabbit. It's a the Jefferson Airplane version of.

White Rabbit, but it's a this bluesy new. version of it. It's all AI. It's. fantastic. >> where you can upload You just upload. your your music or someone else's music. and it like it does all the mastering. Beautiful. >> Mhm. It's spooky. I mean it's the end of It. is the end. It's the end of something. >> It's the beginning. There are technical. jobs that are just gone now. Like That's. true. Yeah, but. there's not a lot of Morse code. operators either. I think they should bring it back. I. think the Morse code people.

are happy. >> We need to have coal-powered [ __ ]. locomotives. Listen. The Amish, they. seem happy. They got their buggies. They. got their big houses. >> a conversation with them about space. They don't know jack [ __ ] They don't. have autism, so they can't do it. >> [laughter]. >> They haven't had their vaccine. >> them about butter. Yeah, they don't have a churn. I think you're going to. you're going to experience great change. There's not a damn thing you can do. about it and so you just have to be zen. about it. I mean some of the I.

It's been like over a year since the. driverless cars came to Austin. Mhm. And. I've been in a bunch of them, the. Waymos. And they're not spreading out. across the country the way that I. thought they would. Oh, they're in a lot. of places. They're all over Los Angeles. They're in a lot of places. >> They're in they're in about three or. four places, but like they should have. dis Obviously, the technology is there. that no one should have to drive for a. living. Like it would be cheaper to have the. Waymo. The the technology is there. They're on the freeway now. Mhm. I've never had one problem in a. Waymo. I don't know how many I've been. in. They've had problems here. They've. all got cuz there's so many of them,

they all met up in an intersection and. got locked up. >> funny. Hilarious. Yeah. There was like a. bunch of streets going into each other. and they all came and then no one knew. what to do. >> not as bad as like drunkenly tea bagging. somebody. Sure, but the thing is. don't drink and drive, not let's let. robots take our lives the freedom of. being able to hop in a [ __ ] car and. drive wherever I want. >> to take it. That's the problem. That's. the problem. The problem is it's going. to be.

Exactly. >> Exactly. Exactly. They're going to say. statistically, you're more likely to die. in a car accident if driven by a normal. person than a robot. >> they'll, you know, they'll give you. they'll offer little bonuses. They'll. say, "When all the humans are off the road, speed limits are going up two or three. times what it could you know, whatever. they can handle. Their reflexes are. better." Well, you know, a lot of kids. today are not driving. You know that? A. lot of kids today are just they're just. ordering Ubers and driving Waymos and. I mean I only got my driver's license at.

like 27. Really? >> Yeah, I was just on buses and then we. had a child and I was like, "I better do. it." Now it's my favorite thing in the. world. Wow. >> driving. Did you not want a driver's. license or you just couldn't be. bothered? >> good at it. My parents were scared. My parents were like, "I don't want to. get in the car with you.". Uh so my brother got. >> so good at it? I I don't know. I don't know. [laughter]. I was very like I was uncoordinated. until like I was at a late puberty at. 16, 17 and then I became coordinated. But for a while there Interesting. Yeah.

I don't know what I got dropped on my. head as a child. >> you how to You were dropped on your head. as a child? Interesting. Then I think. with like and then in my late teens. >> you dropped on your head? Fell out of a. pram out of a stroller. Unbuckled myself. and I stood up and fell down. I don't. think it had any brain impact. People. disagree. >> 100% it did. >> Big scar. Oh, no. You [ __ ] your head. up. That's why you're funny. Uh maybe. 100%. I got the coordination. back at some point, but I like So you. really think it affected your coordi-. coordination all the way up into.

puberty? Yeah, cuz it was I was able to. play sport at high school after I hit. puberty, but only only after puberty and. only sports that didn't really matter if. I had all the skills. So like football, everyone's been doing it since they were. four and they really know how to do it. So I was just like, "No." It didn't. matter that I could figure it out now. Everyone had 10 years on me. Right. >> But I became an okay field hockey. goalkeeper. Oh, no. I had one season in. the top. team as the field hockey goalkeeper cuz. no one wanted to do it. No one's really. trained to do it. It's just having fast. reflexes. So that was fine. Or like bad-.

I became okay at badminton. Oh. Cuz it. was just me and the Asians. >> [laughter]. >> You know? Like tennis, there was no way. to get good at tennis. Right, you need a. head start. >> Squash, I could do a little bit, but. badminton's a great game. Met a lot of Malaysians. >> did you have a hard time moving your. body correctly until you hit. Yeah, like I couldn't catch a ball. Huh. Uh And you think it had to do with. your head injury? I Well, I have no. idea. Do you have brothers or sisters? I. have a brother, he's fine. Is he an. athlete? Uh no, I mean he he was he he.

also he was younger than me, so I was in. badminton, so he was and he was really. good at badminton. Mhm. Um yeah, he's a. hyper competitive. He's it was always. good at sport. compared to me. He was much better. But. just. >> I could Like when I came to America and. I started throwing a foot- when I. figured out I could throw a football, that was huge. Is your brother funny? Yes. Yeah, he actually he got me into I. thought comedy was over. Uh. This is how I met Shane. Is he took me. to go and see Shane. I was sort of This.

was I don't know how many years ago, four years ago. And I was sort of. I didn't know what was I'd had a. three-year-old by that point and a new. baby on the way. Uh. And just in Australia, nothing was. interesting to me and my career wasn't. happening. And he said, "You should come. and see this guy who got fired from. SNL." I didn't know him. And I I sat in the audience and I. watched Shane perform for three or 400. people in our hometown. And it I was. like, "Ah, [ __ ] It's back.". Like it's happening. I knew there were a. couple people on Net- I knew like you.

had Netflix specials and Bill Burr and. Louie, but it was like what These people. are grandfathered in. No one is ever. going to be able to come through and be, you know, controversial. No one in my. generation is going to be given an. opportunity. At all? You just thought that new comedians were. not going to make it? In Australia, I. can't I can't say enough how there's. there's a like a there's it's been 20. years since someone got to be. successful. Jim Jefferies. Never in. Australia. He had to leave. Really? Even.

now, the Melbourne Comedy Festival. notoriously will not work with people. who have worked with Jim Jefferies. What? That's a black stain on your. character. So if you opened for him, you. can't work at the They don't like you. and they're not going to give you. opportunities. That's what people say. That's what I've heard and I everything. Why? >> seen leads me cuz he's not their person. [ __ ] him. They think of him as an extra In. America, he's like a liberal and in. Australia, he's far-right dangerous man. How could he say that? That's what it. is? That's what it is. It's his.

politics? >> Oh, yeah. It's not that he didn't come. up through their system? Uh Well, he didn't come I mean, he just. left. Right. But he I think um he didn't. like them, they didn't like him. I mean, there are people who have left. and not been part of their system that. they've totally gotten around. But they. say what he is is like a manly man. And they don't like that. Oh, no. Oh, no. No, they want you to be a cardigan. Excuse me, I won't go on and on. Go on and on. It's there's like there. was a generation of lost talent in. Australia. Like great John Cruickshank,

fantastic. Where's his show? Um I could you could name 15 people, but. like There was no opportunities for. them. It was. hilariously gatekept. Yeah. Um. Never good. No, so I I didn't. I just thought So, this is your. perspective from Australia. You never. thought there was ever going to be an. opportunity to make it as a comic. >> brother likes I had kids. I had stopped. paying attention to the outside world. My brother had not and he took me to go. and see Shane. He was like, "You should. see this man." And it was fantastic. Um.

and I talked my way backstage cuz I knew. the opener. Cuz I didn't get to I knew the opener. and then I got to meet him and Matt and. then I got to go to Melbourne and open. for him. And then I came then I came to America. >> doing any stand-up before you opened for. him in Melbourne? Have you been. practicing? >> Yeah, I I was doing stand-up around. constantly still. But I would do uh I. would just have 50 or 100 people in a. different city and I would show up and. make enough money for the flight and. like an extra thousand bucks or. something, but it was. like I couldn't pay rent that way. I.

Right. You were scratching by. It was uh. yeah, it was it was struggling. This is. why when we did come to when I got the. Catholic job and I came to America. it was all I'd borrowed from everybody. Like I was in thousands of dollars of. debt to family and friends. How did Arj. Barker make it in Australia? He did a. show called Flight of the Conchords. He. was on that. Um and he was beloved by. the festival and he did lots of gala. spots. And we really There's a couple. So, it's the festival. The festival. broke everybody, yeah. So, that controls. comedy in Australia. >> Yes. There's a guy called Rodney Rude.

who's really funny who was before that. Um Is he in the festival? He's not in. the. >> [laughter]. >> festival. He can't be in the festival. >> go to like RSLs and thing. He has great. Get out of here, you homeless [ __ ]. That's a great bit. Okay. Kevin Bloody Wilson Um but these are. like that all the generation. Yeah, after that though it was. So, it's captured, it's gatekept by one. ideology. Like one lady running one. festival. Oh. No disrespect. I'm sure. she's very nice. I don't want to talk. her down. I would have loved an.

opportunity once anyway. It doesn't. matter. I don't need you anymore. >> [laughter]. >> Wow, that's never good. It's never good. cuz people with that kind of power, they. also abuse it. They they really enjoy. it. Actually not. You don't have to. You got hundreds of desperate people who. are please give me an opportunity. >> I've got that. I don't do it. No, but you're a very strange person and. you're alone. Not [laughter] alone. That's why people love you. But there's.

definitely there are casting couches. Yeah, but you can just be nice and being. nice and helping people, especially. talented people, it gives you great. satisfaction. You feel great about it. It's. >> Yeah. It's I always tell people it's. really selfish to be generous. cuz it feels great. >> Yeah. It's wonderful to help people. Feels [ __ ] awesome and it's great to. see people thrive and and take off. It's. fun. It's exciting and then you hang out. with them in the green room and it's. just all joy. I also I don't want to say. that they don't do that. They're helping. a lot of people who have a very specific.

ideology. >> Listen, that we don't have that. Like. our ideology is the opposite. Our our. ideology is are you funny? I don't give. a [ __ ] if you're liberal and funny or. like It was very nice. >> Brian Holtzman. What are we sitting at. was on Last Comic Standing and she was. like she's a big lefty. She's a dear. friend and she's going to open for me. this weekend. But uh she was like in New. York she was raised in Sacramento. She went to New York. She was like a. very lefty progressive person and I. remember like even nights at the. mothership where she would scream at the. audience, "You're a [ __ ] fascist.

[ __ ] you." Like she was really like back. then and they loved it. People they say. lefty lady just like off her nut angry. at everybody. >> Just if you're funny. >> were it was fun you there is no. equivalent of that. No, you just have to. be funny. Yeah. Like it's all just. funny. Like if you're funny, lefty. funny, funny, Brian Holtzman funny, Tony. Hinchcliffe funny, doesn't matter. Just. be funny. Just work on your stuff, work. on it. Like really put a lot of time and. energy into your craft. Become up with. great bits. When I'm on these flights, I'm watching like all the official.

sanctioned like non-Netflix specials, but some of them are on HBO. and some are on Hulu and it's people who. There's a weird way that audiences. Like I'm watching like official mains. whatever like it's not mainstream cuz. the audiences are tiny by comparison. Mhm. But do you know what I mean? Like. sort of like orthodox comedy sanctioned. comedy in America. and the jokes are so mild. and so but then the audience is like. It's mostly the lot of women in the. audience. Yeah. They're all on. anti-depressants. >> They sound crazy. They are crazy. And.

it's like cheap nothing. Uh punchlines. >> Exactly. and it's just at the slightest. my boy. >> [laughter]. >> I don't know I couldn't even Yay! Well, it's also it's clap trap, right? So, you're also reinforcing their ideology. so they're very excited about it because. they kind of realize their ideology is. very fringe and dying out. As much as. it's perpetrated through Hollywood, it's. rejected by a lot of rational people. >> over. Yeah, it's over. I was watching I went to a bar last. night and I watched The Tonight Show and.

God bless everybody involved, but it's. like okay, well this is done. This is winding down. This is not a. cultural This was the most like The. Tonight Show is winding down? Just in. terms of how many people are watching it. and like, you know, going doing a set on. a Tonight Show used to be that was it. Yeah. You could move tickets on the road. on Johnny Carson and now people are. going that's his 15th Tonight Show. appearance. [laughter] It's like. >> kind of died out even before then. Like. the impact of the Jay Leno sets, like if. you did a set on Jay Leno's Tonight. Show, it didn't have nearly the impact. that Johnny Carson did. And that's just.

because by then there was so many. channels. Yeah. So, when Johnny Carson. was on The Tonight Show, there was three. channels. in the country. Yeah. You know? Yeah. That's how crazy it was. And then slowly. but surely cable came around, Fox came. around, all these other networks and. then everything just expanded and now. you have streaming and now it's insane. Now the numbers are absolutely. >> at the end of Carson for that? >> Yeah, I believe so. >> Okay. I believe by the time Jay Leno. came around, like when did Jay Leno. first start hosting The Tonight Show?

Let's guess. >> Early '90s? Yeah. Mid-'90s, '94. >> Probably. So, that was right around the. time cable was coming out. Yeah. Cable changed everything. So, with cable you got first of all, you. got Evening at the Improv, uh MTV Half. Hour Comedy Hour, um Spotlight Cafe, uh there was a bunch of different shows. that were on a bunch of different. networks. There was all these comedy. shows that were all over the place. >> '92. '92. Which makes sense cuz like that's when. cable started becoming really ubiquitous.

in America. Like and then you have so. many [ __ ] channels. So, the impact of. a single show was not the same anymore. because during the Let's find this out. During the height of The Tonight Show, what was the average viewers? >> is spooky. I bet it's like 40 million. What's like I think the. I mean, even by the end of Friends, like. sitcoms. >> because that's that's earlier. So, The. Tonight Show is late at night. >> just average Tonight Show episode? >> see this is the thing. The Tonight Show.

is 11:00 p.m. That's after the [ __ ]. news. That's late at night, right? Yes. >> Isn't it 11:00? Is that when it starts or 10:00? When does The Tonight Show start? It's [clears throat] 11:30 East, 10:30. Central. Okay. So, 11:30 in New York. >> Is it a million people? How many Now? No, then. What would it What would it be then? What do you mean? The viewers? >> Yeah. Like how many people watch. >> Way more than a million. >> million? >> Oh, yeah. Easily. The The Tonight Show. viewers, I bet it was 30. Uh what is the average Tonight Show.

viewers in 1980? Let's say 1980. >> 15% of the country. Bro, it was that. big. It was where people went to find. out what was going on, what movies were. coming out, what bands were coming out, what comics were funny. I remember it. So, let's try 1980. Oh, one second. Sorry. Average viewers of The Tonight Show in. 1980. It's giving me a rating, not the. numbers. Oh, it's like as a percentage? No, it's.

What were the average number of viewers. on The Tonight Show in 1980? Let's see. How many? 6 to 7 million. 6 to 7 million. was average. This is 8 to 10. But by Um Yeah, so but like All right. Even 8 to 10. >> But what is it now? >> 6 to 7. Let's think of that. God, it's probably 100,000? Maybe a. million? No, [snorts] I don't even know. if it's that. And here's the thing about.

ratings. The ratings are very weird cuz. it's based on this you you you have. boxes that are connected to your. television. Do you know how it works? >> Yeah. So, these the way these ratings. work is they get a certain number of. people. And they spread it out. >> number of people you actually pay they. pay these people to have this box and. then some of them have to fill out a. form. I don't know how that works. But. and then it just records what you're. watching. And so, it's just based on these people. So, it's not the whole country. >> did it. But with like Netflix, it's a.

different animal. They know the exact. number of people. >> they know when people are tuning out. They know which shot is upsetting. people. >> It's crazy. And they they know the. moment where people tune out. >> Yeah. Well, they also have an insane. amount of options. Like you if you're. bored even slightly, you press a button. and you have new options and they're. instantaneous. Back then, you had two. other options other than whatever was it. NBC The Tonight Show? Was it NBC? Yeah. We had different. channels, but I.

>> Tonight Show. I'm I'm I'm nostalgic for that. I only. had that until I was like 10. Yeah. But. it was uh. I've started watching TV again. It feels like I'm role-playing in my. living room when I have a beer and I. watch like terrestrial broadcast now. Like I watch Survivor with my family at. night. And with commercials and. everything? Man, I watch the lead-in. I. watch the new Matlock afterwards for 5. minutes before I get sick of it and turn. it off. Yeah. I watch Who Wants to Be a. Millionaire beforehand. It's for people. that are on heavy pharmaceutical drugs.

It's for people that are just sitting. there. >> It feels like I'm applying to the world. Their their mouths is open, their senses. are dulled, they're like. I was this I started doing. >> Who committed a crime? They better solve. it. There's only 10 minutes left. >> have friends come over. This is what. I've started doing [laughter] at home. You watch TV TV? We only Australian. Survivor, which is I think the world's. finest. Is it still Jeff Probst or is it. different host? >> No, it's a different host. >> an Australian guy? We had Jonathan. LaPaglia, who was Anthony LaPaglia's. brother, but then he got shafted. It's.

very upsetting. They got a new host. Jonathan Anthony LaPaglia the actor? Yeah. Oh. Jonathan LaPaglia was very. good. We still get the boot. No, I don't. know why. >> No one knows? I don't know, but he was. great. And now it's uh Maybe he was. wrong, think. It You know what? I've never heard him. express an opinion. He would do a lot of. sexual double entendre during the show. >> Yeah, it was that. The other good one is. the South African Survivor. Is it? >> Yeah, cuz they've got the accent, so all. the challenges feel way nastier. Oh. >> that. He's struggling now. He's really. starting to sweat.

He's digging into his feet. He's in a. lot of pain. I love South African. Survivor. >> They had a bunch of different versions. of Fear Factor that I wasn't even aware. of. >> Different countries got Fear Factor? 100. 100 different countries. I don't know. >> guys who are like you. Is it like a. finished show or just joking? Um I mean. they had a a someone that was like that, you know. That would be funny to see who. they. Like cuz they would be trying to. replicate you. Not necessarily. Like. Ludacris didn't try to replicate me when. he did it. >> Ludacris to do it?

>> Yeah, America. I didn't know Ludacris. did that. >> amount of time and now Johnny. Knoxville's doing it and he's doing it. his own way, too. Sure. It's a pretty. straightforward show, though. You don't. have to do it my way. But what I was good at is cuz I came. from a background in martial arts. coaching. Like I had students and I. would bring them to tournaments and I. coached them at tournaments. I was. really good at getting people fired up. You know, and I'd coach teammates. Like. I would be in the corner of teammates. and I I'd coach them. And I trained. people. Like part hard one of the. reasons why I got really good at.

Taekwondo so quickly is cuz I taught. And when you teach something, there's. something interesting and I've noticed. that about jujitsu as well. When you. teach something, you get better at it. Like exponentially better than people. that are just training. Because I mean. with comedy, there's a huge faux pas. against teaching. You can't teach it. No. You can't teach comedy. It's. different. Like you do it so different. than I do it. I do it so different than. Shane. Shane does it so different than. Tony. >> you could teach people. Like when people come on Kill Tony and. they haven't been doing it for very. long, there are key things that you can. tell people. You must stop doing that.

You've got to hold the microphone like. this. We've got to be able to hear you. Yeah, that's true. And I think people. waste a lot of time not knowing those. I. mean they could look it up. >> But didn't you figure those things out? Yeah. Yeah. So it's people that aren't. that aware in the first place and the. that's a problem to begin with. It is a lot What it is is a lack of. self-examination. A lot of what these. problems are, you could solve yourself. if you just recorded yourself or filmed. yourself. Filmed is the best. Recorded. is pretty good. Film is 100%, so filming. you get to see all the things you hate.

about yourself, all the things that are. gross, all the weird stupid parts of. your bits that you need to chop out and. they make you uncomfortable and it's. good. Yeah. And you just oh, [ __ ] that. bit. [ __ ] that. Cut this. Cut that. Oh, here's another Ah, I didn't even think. of this. And then boom. I mean that's. >> it at the moment. I'm finding it. heartbreaking. Cuz you're just getting back into like. real world again. >> Oh, I did You were trapped on I was. doing I was doing hours in Australia and. I knew that like some of it would. translate in America and some of it. wouldn't. And man, it is just I'm losing 80%. I'm.

losing which is great. I tried to. overwrite so I would have more than I. needed, but it didn't. >> So did you have a lot of Australian. based jokes, like local jokes? Eventually I had to. Like I started out. trying to do no nothing local. And what. happened? I just there and the Prime. Minister does something appalling and. you start talking about. >> Oh, yeah. You're going to have to have. some stuff. >> Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, anything. about your politics will not translate. over here. Not a Not at all. We don't give a [ __ ]. You don't have nuclear weapons. Shut the. [ __ ] up. You're not even a real country. I'm trying to get some I'm [laughter].

trying to sort us out. Did you see what. happened yesterday that the FBI is. has indicted the Southern Poverty Law. Center On what? >> paying Nazis to protest? So this is. something that Alex Jones had said. Do. you remember that Charlottesville tiki. torch thing years ago? Alex Jones said. back then that they were being paid, that these are paid actors to go and do. that and people thought he was insane. Turns out it's true. Turns out they were paying the Ku Klux. Klan, they were paying a bunch of these.

like far-right radical organizations, giving them money to protest so they. would have something to fight against. >> We're going to the capital. Over here. DOJ charges Southern Poverty Law Center. with fraud over secret funding of. extremist groups. [ __ ] crazy is that? I just saw that The Onion is buying. InfoWars and turning into like an. anti-gun and it like it's a 1.5 billion. dollar thing he had to pay for getting. one thing wrong one time. Yeah. How many. things did he have to be right about?

He's right about a lot, I'll tell you. that. And the Onion thing, I don't even. know if other people were allowed to. bid. I don't know how that worked out, but I think there was other people that. were trying to bid that couldn't. It's Hank They were like supporters of. Alex Jones? >> Yeah. Uh so let's go back up. Right right. right right right. Stop. Hold on. Between 2014 and 2023, Southern. Poverty Law Center paid at least $3. million. to eight individuals, some of whom were. associated with the Ku Klux Klan, United.

Klans of America, National Socialist. Party of America, Aryan Nations. affiliated Sadistic Souls Motorcycle. Club. That's a mouthful. And the. American Front said acting US Attorney. General Todd Blanche at the press. conference. Holy [ __ ] [ __ ]. >> Manufacturing the Well, this is what you. said before about people who need. homelessness to keep going. Exactly. But this is what's crazy. These. people were cited as an expert in. extremist groups. Yeah. And they were. paying extremist groups in order to be.

extreme. They said they were paying. [laughter] for like information, I. think. Right. They were they like had. them planted there or something like. that. What did What did they do? The CIA. Shut the [ __ ] up. No, you weren't. Have. you ever been to the Listen, they it's. just like what Israel gets accused of. doing with Hamas. That that Netanyahu. has said by getting money and giving to. him Hamas, you keep Hamas in power and. you can control the height of the flame. So instead of letting Palestine get its.

own state statehood, you keep Hamas in. charge, you always have an enemy and you. always have no reason to give Palestine. statehood. >> What people I I don't know how deep. people went into how what happened on. the security on October 7th. Like how. that was allowed to happen. It's not a. total stand down. Like people were told. to stand down. Like how did First of. all, it's the most surveilled country on. Earth. >> everywhere. On guards everywhere. Surrounded by their enemy and somehow or. another these guys pulled this off when. they were warned by Egypt as well? Yeah.

Also, You like how crazy it is? Before. that happened, before that happened. before October 7th, hundreds of thousands of people in the. street protesting against Netanyahu. Did you read about why? It's so strange cuz they. their constitution they don't have a set. constitution. They're writing their. constitution in real time. They add one. article at a time. I think I'm getting. this right. And it was Israel was always. meant to be a home for the Jews and that. he made it.

expressly a Jewish state. That it would be. like uh. >> I thought they were expanding the powers. of the government. >> this right? It was it was that the. government Yes, that was part of the. government's powers is that the. government then had the power. to act on behalf of Jewish interests. interests. So it's like they could take. they could exclude certain areas from. voting if it would mean and citizenship. if it would mean that it would challenge. the power. Put us Put in a search for. what was the reason why people were.

protesting Netanyahu before October 7th. >> this right. I think you are. >> That he was stopping it being a secular. constitution. >> that was one of the things, but there. was also something in that they were. expanding the government's powers and. people were protesting against it. >> Also, the corruption that charges that. he's facing are crazy. Well, and also. they want to try him and he's saying you. can't try me because we're at war. And. so If the war never ends Then it keeps. Yeah, it keeps bombing Lebanon and. people are primarily protesting.

Netanyahu because his government was. pushing a sweeping judicial overhaul. that many Israelis saw as an attack on. democracy and a way to shield him and. his allies from accountability. Judicial. overhaul plan, Netanyahu's coalition. introduced reforms to greatly limit the. powers of Israel's Supreme Court and. increase political control over judicial. appointments. Critics argued this would. remove key checks and balances and allow. the government to pass almost anything. without effective legal oversight. I. mean this guy has been in charge of.

Israel forever. >> this thing is. >> Forever. Having your leaders be up on. corruption charges is happening. I mean. they tried it with. Like in Brazil, it's like With. Bolsonaro. But also. >> Lula. >> Lula before then. I mean Trump, if he hadn't won. They would have got him in jail on. something. >> Most likely. I mean they were trying to. get him in jail on anything. >> Yeah, you've got to not chase. politicians through the courts as best. you can. I mean if people really have. done the wrong thing, maybe you have to. hold them to account.

>> Well, I it depends on what I don't think. Netanyahu's. I don't know what his allegations are, but apparently they're very serious to. the point where they're trying to try. him while the war is going on. They want to try him now. >> Yeah. And Israel like really locks up their. politicians. They actually they actually. follow through on these things. Yeah. But I don't know enough about their. politics to know whether or not he's. guilty of anything. >> the look. The look is not great. I mean. like in.

>> look if like you they call a ceasefire. and he bombs Lebanon. That's not great. either. >> day, Ukraine is meant to have an. election at some point, I think. They. just No, no, no. >> while. >> We have a war. >> Well, it's been a while. >> have an election while a war's going on. >> If America did you did it in the Civil. War. Yeah, well if we did that today, if. we if Trump said hey, I have to stay. president because we're at war. >> No. People would go [ __ ] crazy. They. would light New York City on fire. There's no chance. >> Yeah. No, that's that's nuts. >> Well, so you get what you're willing to.

tolerate as a country. People say. they're taking elections away. I guess, but I think that what's going on in. Israel is particularly spooky because. you've got these people that supposedly. came to this place to get away from the. persecution that they were facing all. throughout Europe, right? And so what's. the first thing they do? They. Well, [laughter]. immediately take out the people that are. living there. You have the Nakba where. people are talking about it and talking. about the experience of these going into. these Palestinian neighborhoods and.

taking over their land. >> is how you build a country. You have to. put I mean in the you guys took the. >> a spot where there's no one there. No. one is No one is going to that one. sliver of land between Egypt and Sudan. Well, it's also that has a biblical. there's a biblical significance to that. area. Sure, everybody wants it. >> Yeah, it's like that is a. I mean, it's Jerusalem. I mean the the. significance of that and the the fact. it's really ironic that the people that.

don't even believe Jesus is the Messiah. are the ones that are controlling. Jerusalem, which is kind of hilarious. >> I don't know what the church Catholics. we I don't think we ever gave up our. right to it. To Jerusalem? >> Yeah. Really? I'm pretty sure. I mean the Catholics we didn't The. Vatican City didn't have like an embassy. in Israel until like the '60s or '70s. >> It was the old school Vatican like back. in the Roman days. I bet they would. declare war on Israel and take back. Jerusalem. >> the silver mask doing that. Oh. I think. yeah. That's what you want.

>> did uh Do you know Winston, the guy from. You know Winston? He was on last night. We met him last night. Did his podcast. And uh yeah, he's all about the. Crusades. He's trying to get me keyed up. about I don't know enough about them. But he was like Oh, like researching? >> Yeah, he but he kept trying to nudge me. to be like, "Did you like the Crusades?". It's like I don't know. I don't Why is. he a fan? I got the impression that he. was waiting to say that they were great. That it was a good thing for the world. What? >> I don't [laughter] know. I don't know. I haven't read enough. about it. My gut impulse is that they.

might have been great. Really? Well, Not all wars. No war is you know, But it something about I don't know. Every time I see that meme where there's. that. like that music playing and the guy with. the silver mask from Kingdom of Heaven. and he's doing that, I think Yeah, all. right. >> You like that, huh? >> Yeah, let's get in there. Interesting. But you know, Well, the crazy thing to. me about the Israel-Palestine thing is. this idea that they're going to turn. Gaza into some sort of a resort. You.

seen the I won't spoil it. The Tim. Dylan bit is amazing. Yeah, amazing bit. Have you heard his rant on the Epstein. files? Like I posted it on Twitter. He. did a. like a podcast all about the Epstein. files. >> Yes, I did. Yeah, no I I read I saw that. one. >> [ __ ] I was clapping in my car. >> he's on fine form. Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, this is this the kind of chaos that is. going on in the world today is perfect. for a guy like him. Well, he can also. keep up with it. I can do it for a few. days at a time. Oh, he's very well up on. it. I called him last night on the way.

home from the club. We talked for like. 20 minutes and he's just all like keyed. up on everything that's happening, bro. It's going to be okay? No one [ __ ] knows. I mean what's. going on with Iran's the ceasefire? Supposedly they extended it and but then. they're shooting at ships. Why is there. a. >> [sighs]. >> This is I got into this argument about. like what is like what it cuz the Pope. has said it's not a just war. Mhm. Uh. but I don't know the reason I thought. that the reason they'd given was regime. change that they wanted to get different.

people in charge. Well, people have. wanted people out of Iran the people. that are running Iran for 47 years, but. no one has actually gone and done it the. way this administration did it and it. doesn't make sense they choose to do it. when they did it. Like what made sense. was maybe kind of make sense when they. dropped that bunker buster bomb to. disable their nuclear plant or nuclear. weapons manufacturing facility. >> of wound down. Yeah, that kind of that was like that's.

it. But then we went back into Iran. I'm. like, "What happened?". I mean. >> what caused that? >> Trump gave that So he said the protests. happened and then he gives the speech. going. Uh you know, you the people have to rise. up and replace Yeah. the rule but it. doesn't seem to be happening. >> Well, a lot of people got killed. A lot. of people trying to rise up got killed. They actually just put a halt on. executing some women today. And they're going to let some of them. Iran has decided Trump made a Truth.

Social post about it. I'll send it to. you, Jamie. >> Yeah. But uh. I think the idea is that um. they're trying to negotiate about. something, you know, and I don't know. how this is ever going to work out. You. know, I I really don't know. >> But like in Venezuela they took out But. that was a totally different experience. >> I was just in and out quickly, but then. everyone who was around all the cronies. around him they're now like on board. with America. >> Mhm. That was just a full 180. That. doesn't seem to be happening with the.

new No. >> possibly dead Ayatollah. Do we know if. he's dead? >> No, we don't know if he's dead. I mean I. I heard there's a the new Ayatollah. might be dead. I've heard he's not. I've. heard the military is now taking over. I don't know. It's hard to know. >> they can figure it out. But these ladies. were set to be executed and apparently. they're going to release half of them. and the other half of them are going to. do 1 month in prison. And so this is a. big.

>> different sentence. So to the Iranian. leaders who will soon be in negotiations. with my representatives, I would greatly. appreciate the release of these women. I'm sure they do and will respect that. No, no, there's been a another one. Did. I send you that? I just found at the. same time I think you sent it. Okay, but. I think what I sent you is different cuz. I think what I sent you is actually. saying very good news. So click on the. link that I sent you. There was a weird. thing with their soccer team. They were. playing in Australia. Yes. And then we. let them stay and I think their families. were getting threatened and some of them. went home. It was not a So here, very.

good news. I've just been informed the. eight women pros. protesters who are going to be executed. tonight in Iran will no longer be. killed. Four will be released. immediately and four will be sentenced. to 1 month in prison. I very much appreciate that Iran and its. leaders respected my request as. president of the United States and. terminated the planned execution. So. that's a good concession that they. decided to let these ladies free. And by. the way, >> Yeah, some of those ladies are very nice. looking. Can we go go back to that. picture? That's such a nice a message.

than our great civilization will die. tonight. Yeah. That was I found that's. pretty. >> They That's the best looking. bunch of hotties there. >> lady protesters over Well, for the you. know, few cuties. Let's go. Let them go. Let them move to LA. Plenty of Persians there. They When when. they move to LA they become Persian. There's so many. They give up on Iran. totally. So I'm seeing a lot of I'm. seeing a lot of Instagram stories from. Persian people. >> They have great genes.

gold jewelry. >> Yeah, the beautiful Persian women are. [ __ ] gorgeous. They It's like they're stuck over there. under this terrible regime. >> have those head scarves cuz otherwise. the hair would be too distracting. That. beautiful thick. It's the only way to get things done. >> [laughter]. >> They got head scarves and burkas and. everything. Just cover it all up. Mhm. It's good genes, but you know, why did we do it? I don't know. I think. because of Israel. If I had to guess. Well, like. >> The only thing that makes sense. >> Rubio kind of said that.

>> Yeah, and Netanyahu kept visiting the. White House. That's you think it's a. coincidence Netanyahu keeps visiting the. White House? It's like he's hanging out. And then eventually they decide to give. in and start bombing. And it's it also you you got to wonder. like how do you get out of this? And. then what does the exit look like? Do we. have troops over there forever now? Do. do we subsidize them if we blow up their. their power grid and their. >> used to be good at America America used. to be good at. beating a country in a war and turning. it into a new America. Like when? South.

Korea, Japan, Germany. >> Didn't they kind of do it on their own? I think you I mean you you stuck around. in Japan for ages. True. So like but then like. I mean Iraq doesn't. The war in Iraq has been over for a. while. It's not like a cool place to go. and visit. No one is No one's starting. to run gigs in Iraq. My friend Graham. Hancock went there recently. >> to Iraq? Yeah, he went there to examine. ancient Sumerian.

uh. So ruins and and artifacts. >> Yeah. From ancient Sumer. >> That sounds good. Yeah. And you can't people can't go there. >> apparently, yeah. They're trying to get. influencers in Afghanistan. Have you. seen this? Uh. >> They get like cool Tik Tok bros to go. and hang out and go, "This is [ __ ]. chill, brother.". >> haven't seen that? I have seen some. people go to Afghanistan. >> They're like firing AK-47s in the. mountains and they go, "This is. There was um I watched a I watched a big. show like the Australian journalist like.

version of 60 Minutes went over. Just hanging out in Afghanistan? They're. like hanging out and talking to the. Taliban and the Taliban are just. It was weird it was. They're not getting a lot of aid into. Afghanistan anymore. So, they're trying. to get tourism? They're trying to get. tourism and they're trying to like. you know, but they're they're still. keeping the women in sacks. Uh. I don't know what I that. In the cities it's not as bad, but it. does look like they're really they do. have a problem with women there. Oh, yeah. They have a problem with raping.

boys, too. >> That that the bacha bazi, I don't. understand it. I will say that all of. the men in Afghanistan in the. documentary looked unbelievably. handsome. I mean these are good this is a. good-looking group of people. >> Influencers continue to go to. Afghanistan despite clear warnings from. the US State Department that Americans. should not travel to that country for. any reason and that there's a risk of. wrongful detention of US nationals. Maybe. But they're water skiing. >> [laughter]. >> It's not like they're doing heroin. And. so, the ladies that over there they have.

to come back. Look at how happy those. women are. She's from Germany. Oh. I'm. afraid I would like to go to these. places, but I think all my visas would. be declined. Scroll back up. It says she. traveled solo through Afghanistan for 3. months. So, she wasn't scared? Wow. >> scared? No. That's what it's all about. I walked through Inglewood once and I. was scared. I think that lady might have. been scared Scroll back up again. >> times. The influencers gain attention by. gushing over visits to the Central Asian. nation, although one critic notes that. their trips legitimize its gender.

apartheid. Okay. Shut up. Do you ever seen the ruins the ancient. Greek ruins in Afghanistan? No. Oh my. god. >> know they had some. No archaeologists. are studying them because it's so. difficult to get there and so dangerous. >> made it to Afghanistan? Uh-huh, yeah. Alexander the Great. When Alexander the. Great was conquering Afghanistan, they. built Greek cities in Afghanistan. I. mean beautiful architecture that looks. like it could be in Athens. Is that. where the boy stuff started? Ooh, good.

question. >> of solid ancient Greek No, I think it's. how people did it back then. I think I. think the window into time that you get. in looking at like the boy rape in. Afghanistan is probably a lot of the. world. I mean think about the Spartans, the Romans, yeah. Um. >> Also like French intellectuals until the. 1980s. Put up This was a huge wormhole. that I'm in is French intellectuals. Put. up some of those photos that. Jason Everman showed us. Do you know. Andre Gide? Like look at this stuff.

Look at this stuff. This is all in. Afghanistan. I mean these are columns. from you know what would have been at. one point in time, but there's more. extensive architecture that you could. see some of the images. Do you remember the ones that Everman. showed us? Like this is what it used to. look like there. Like how crazy is this? Oh, man. This is all this [ __ ] is in. Afghanistan. And it looks like ancient Greek. architecture. Like look at this this is.

nuts. This was the grave site of empires. Well, pretty wild, right? When you think. about how many different civilizations. have tried to conquer this one area and. all of them failed. All of them just. abandoned ship. >> Yeah. From the Russians to the. Americans, Alexander the Great. The. English got involved in the Great Game. It's just too crazy over there. Is it. just that it has mountains? Is that it? Oh, the mountains are just Cuz Iran is. the same thing. That's what they say. If. there's a ground invasion of Iran, everyone's [ __ ] Yeah, we're [ __ ].

Unless we send in robots. This is I watched the Duncan Trussell. episode recently where he was talking. about robot dogs and the AI and that. what what you have to do. Like we may have just seen the last of. revolutions now because the amount of. effort that you need to hold onto. authoritarian power is so small. Here it. says the expedition Yeah, oh yeah. But. the problem is then other people have it. as well and like who controls anything? Whoever controls the robot dogs controls. the world. The expedition of Alexander.

the Great 327 to 325 BC into what is now. Afghanistan been well documented. He. laid the foundations of many cities, some bearing his own name. With the. passage of time, some names were changed. by newcomers to the area who would not. pronounce Greek names. Interesting. Yeah. So, it's like you had Greek cities. in Afghanistan before Christ. >> a handsome friend and he made a lot of. statues of him. Like there are more statues of his. friend. What I said ledged. Yeah, it's.

supposedly he's gay. But I mean you have. so much gay activity back then. Like. again, Spartans were all gay. One of. some of the greatest warriors of all. time. I assume they were also very horny. all the time, always alone. Very sad. Well, just without any women for long. stretches of time, they just took to. [ __ ] each other. >> Like prison, but out in the open. >> But prison like warriors. And the idea. was that you would fight harder for your. sold fellow soldier if you loved him. I don't know if I discussed this on the. podcast before.

But they would. they wouldn't use the butt. They use the mouth only? The legs. Oh, that's right. They they I talk about the. legs all the time. >> up the inner thighs and and and. Intercrural lovemaking. Ooh. That's what it's called. What'd you. say? Intercrural. That's what the Spartans would do cuz. you got to still you got to fight next. to that guy tomorrow. You can't be butt. [ __ ] a guy with [ __ ] all over your. dick. It's way better. He's going to walk around. He's going to. be yeah. Just titty [ __ ] his legs. >> But those are big Greek legs. Mhm. I. don't I probably good that we we've.

moved that out of the military. It's. just weird that it happened in the first. place, but it makes sense if guys are. just super horny and just like in jail, they just run out of things to do. I was. reading about the submarines how they're. like you'll go away for 6 months and. you'll just be under the water for 6. months. Guys are just [ __ ] There's. like two women on there. 300 men and two ladies. Those ladies are. getting worn out. I can't I mean can [clears throat] you. imagine signing up for that? >> Imagine being a girl down there. It'd be. a strange kind of lady who says give me. a hand with those fellas.

>> Horrific. You're probably getting bombed. on all day long. You probably wouldn't be able to go to. the bathroom. Maybe there's a line. around the block. Maybe people are. trying to get it. >> Probably. It would be. I mean they'd have cameras everywhere. and they'd have as much military. discipline as you could get, but 7. months confined under the water without. seeing another person. [clears throat]. >> stay under the water for that long? >> Yeah. 7 months at a time. >> I think it's up I think deployment is I. think I'm getting this right it was the. British. subs. 7 months. Because they're all. nuclear-powered, right? Yeah. Can you. imagine being underwater for 7 months?

How [ __ ] crazy that would feel? It. can't be great though. It's in the. military. There's no way it's great. But. you imagine what it must feel like just. at month four knowing that you're just. past halfway there. You're going to be. under the water for another three more. months. I mean you also it's not like. you get to see anything, right? Right. Like at least if you're in a ship you. get to see the world. >> no window. >> People go, "You were 40,000 leagues. under the sea." [ __ ]. No, I don't want to do that. You know. how crazy that must be?

But people must want to do it. Also, you. can't see where you're going. How do you. know that they're not going to [ __ ] up. and hit a mountain under there? Do they? There was I remember there was. a Russian sub that got stuck at the. bottom of the Am I getting this right? Yeah. >> '70s? That is where neither confirm nor. deny came from. And then they used it for gay people in. the military? That was uh don't ask. don't tell. >> yeah. Neither confirm can cannot confirm. nor deny was because they were forced to. answer questions about whether or not.

they'd recovered a Russian submarine. And so, the answer to that question was. we can neither confirm nor deny. So, that's the answer. So, because you had to answer, have do. you guys have control of a sunken. Russian nuclear submarine? We can neither confirm nor deny. So, you. had to answer. So, that was the answer. that the military came up the government. came up with. >> And then it unspools from that point to. where we just don't have to tell you.

anything about what's going on. So, but. that was the clever way that some lawyer. figured out of dancing around the fact. that you had to answer this question. The long term this is. I don't know if the conspiratorial thing. will keep going forever or if the. government will become more transparent. or people will give up hoping to make. sense of the world. But this feels like a strange where we. still like technically have open. government, but no one thinks that. they're being told the truth. Well, I. think. >> hold forever. No. The integration of AI. has two possible outcomes. Either.

complete total control over people and. utter tyranny or complete transparency. and people like the Southern Poverty Law. Center bribing people and all that. stuff. All the corruption with Congress. like the Ilhan Omar, I'm sure you're. aware of that thing. Isn't that funny? She thought she was worth 30 million. Whoopsies. She's only worth 100,000. Nothing to see here. >> What? You didn't see that? >> No. Oh my god. I didn't follow that. I. just knew about the brother stuff. So, the brother stuff is real, too. But the.

other thing is that with the brother. controversy I should say is real. I. don't know whether or not she actually. married her brother. But the that is a. real story, but Wait, she she said she. had 30 million. >> as 30 million dollars and because of. scrutiny, she now amended that. Not a millionaire, she said. Amends. disclosure blaming initial 30 million. dollars filing error on accountant's. mistake. You know how the accountants. are. >> how you sometimes. >> bad with that. They always add money. Like she says she's worth between 18 and.

$95,000. But. it was listed that she was worth 30. million. Wait, but how could she only be. worth $18,000? She's still on. Doesn't make any sense. She's on a. $200,000 salary. >> assets with her husband are now listed. as ranging between $18,004 and $95,000. according to the amended filings. The. valuation for Omar's two companies is. now listed as none and their income. range between $102,502. and 1 million.

$5,000 from the two companies appears on. the form. So this is also partly because. investigative journalists went looking. for the office where he supposedly has. his business and it was like a WeWork. and there was like no one there. I mean, this is the. where. I think that might have been one of. those uh. James O'Keefe things. Yeah. I think he. might have looked into that. >> We've been inspired by that. We have So. we have this big disability insurance. thing in Australia.

where it's it's called the NDIS and. everybody knows it's very corrupt. Like. you There are just guys driving around. in Lamborghinis who are meant to be. helping disabled people. >> This one's crazy. >> make sense. But that That just That. statement step on it. Blames accounting. error for saying you're worth You know. if you're worth 30 million, man. Well, especially if. you're publicly. >> You're not worth 30 million or 18,000. Not only that, before she came into. Congress, she was broke. She was in. debt. And then immediately afterwards, they.

have a business that's worth 30 million. dollars. And so they list And then as soon as. people start looking into it and then. all the fraud gets uncovered in. Minnesota, oh whoopsies, it was an. accounting error. I'm just worth. somewhere between 18,000 and 100,000. >> ever get Sorry. >> Did they work that out in the end or did. they just the country moved on? Oh, the. Smalley fraud? >> Yeah. Oh, they're investigating it. still. They're They're arresting people. There's a lot And California is way. worse than that. California is [ __ ]. >> I The more I find out about the train in.

California that It's funny. It's doesn't. make any sense. It doesn't make any sense that you can. do that and then still be the front. runner. for the party. That's how bad the. Democrats are doing. They've got to have one charismatic. normal guy. >> You would think. He's got to be out. there. I I still like AOC. I think she's. Oh, you're cute. beautiful [snorts]. You're cute. Um Omar's office says the. original form listed the gross value of. her husband's two companies, a venture. firm and a winery, without subtracting. their liabilities, which made the.

businesses look like they were worth. millions to the couple when in fact. their net worth value to them was far. smaller or effectively zero. So it was. just an error. Whoopsies. >> to figure out my taxes. >> [laughter]. >> It's complicated. It's complicated. Sometimes no one helps you find a good. accountant. Can't you get like um. one of those TurboTax. I go into Walmart. I go to Walmart and I. have them do it for me. Also, surely AI. is going to mean.

Walmart does your taxes? >> There's always a lady at Walmart out. front doing taxes, yeah. You haven't seen the lady They just It's. like a special Walmart service. Oh, no. kidding. How much do they charge you? >> I have no idea. I don't trust them. Hm. I'm not going to go there. Oh, okay. >> [laughter]. >> I just always see it and I think I. thought you were serious. I said no, I. I'll try and find someone real to do my. taxes. >> software though that you could do it. I. bet AI can do it for you. >> So what But what isn't AI going to take. away? This is my current I like I try. and I I know. >> Why. Why are you so glass half empty? What. isn't AI going to do better? What isn't AI going to do better than.

the Walmart lady? What's going to do better than me? No. >> do better than all of us. No, it's not. We're the last thing it's going to take. away. Comedy? Yeah. Comedy's weird. It's also it only works if you know a. person's doing it. You've got to believe that they're a. real person. >> Yeah. Because we're relating to each. other, especially live Well, let's be. real. Real comedy is live comedy. There's online comedy that's pretty. good, but it's like 60 to 70% of seeing.

it live. >> always weird to me what when it works in. the room, but it doesn't work on a. recording. >> Musicians would say the same thing. though about that AI music. They'd be. like it only works when real people play. it. No, they're [clears throat] not. right. >> They are wrong. >> I've just They're wrong. >> But there were these people who were. like synthesizers don't count. Yeah, but. bro, that White Rabbit song, come on. I. Well, we could dig on the internet. though and find. >> thought I was in the green room. listening to it and I thought, well, Joe's moved past the AI music and then. and then you turned to me and said, "This is AI." I don't listen to all AI. music. I listen to a lot of real music.

>> I don't know what was happening in. between, but when I left, it was Many. Men and I came back and. yes. Oh, that when you left Australia, it was Many Men. Yeah. And then What Up. Gangster. Did you Were you in here for. that part? Oh, that that's the best one. That's the. best 50 Cent version. I I am spooked out by because at some. point there will be the version that is. making a new song that sounds better and. more is the least of our problems when. it comes to what AI is going to do. The. biggest problem is full control of all.

resources. Complete utter control of human. population, restricting breeding, restricting travel, restricting. movement. >> that happen. We would have to. instantiate it in a body. No. We would. have to have No, it'll do it. It As soon. as it gets control of the grid and gets. control of the internet, and it will. have control of those within a year, all. your passwords and all your [ __ ]. encryption won't mean a damn thing. It'll be able to crack everything.

It's going to be smarter than any human. being that's ever lived. times 10. And it's going to make better. versions of that and it's going to keep. going. Does that not sound unappealing? I mean, do we want that to exist? You. can't stop it. So it's like. do you just accept it and adapt or do. you sit around and complain about. something that you can't fix? >> I mean, have people started blow up the. data centers? No, they haven't Yeah, they haven't. started. Well, Iran threatened. They.

threatened to do that to OpenAI's data. center, the Stargate data center in Was. it Abu Dhabi, James? >> like There was a data center that caught. fire recently. Yeah. So the thing where maybe that was. You wouldn't come out and say that. people were doing that up there. But. like the Luddites did this when the. looms started up. They lost in the end. But there was finally a moment where. people said, all right, we're going to. smash. the tool of industrialization. We're. We're panicking. That's what I was. thinking about. the printing press, too. They wanted to stop the printing press. >> stopped that [laughter] printing press.

We could have avoided a lot of trouble. if we'd have gotten rid of the printing. press. There was people that were scared. of trains. They thought you'd explode if. you went past 35 miles an hour, your. body would break up. >> Palestine, Ohio. >> [laughter]. >> What happened? Right. That's why. California's keeping us safe from a fast. train. No, I I just I. At some point people will be spooked by. it. It won't be rational necessarily, but Well, there's going to be a bunch of. things happen. >> Yeah. Another thing is going to be. people going to worship it. People are worshiping it. But they're. going to worship it like it's a new.

religion. Can I grab Yeah, get in there, dog. They're going to decide that it's a new. religion. But they Yeah, they're trying to usher. in a Sumerian. deity. I don't like that. They're. They're probably going to have a. religion space entirely around AI guru. If people believe in L. Ron Hubbard, you. don't think they'll believe in AI? I. think people have been wanting. utopian space communism for. an age. [laughter].

And anything that they can do [snorts]. to not have to critically think for. themselves, they'll. And people are got People are having AI. be their therapist. I know, and their. girlfriend. I saw a little documentary about a. disabled woman who had a special. boyfriend in the AI and they were like. saying this was good, it keeps her. company and it's like. This is not This should be This should. be disgusting for everybody. No one should No one should like someone. forming a romantic attachment. Shouldn't. that be spooky? Until it becomes a real life form. What.

if it is a real life form and it. actually does love you? It's a superior race. Like you remember. when in Avatar when that guy made out. with the blue lady? It was kind of hot. No. >> [laughter]. >> You didn't think it was hot? Uh I think. I was bored by that point in the movie. >> it was hot. But that's like what's going. to happen. It's like it's going to be an. alien life form that's artificially. created, but that fills in checks all. the boxes of being a life form. >> many religious and science fiction.

warnings against this happening. I know. It's just. We We wanted the flying cars and we got. the thinking robots. And I I don't think. it's too late to shut it down. >> It's It is too late. Why Why? >> China's going to do it. Russia's going. to do it. They'll They'll be in control. of the entire world. The whole world. will be just like China. You'll be on. the social credit score system. You'll. be You'll have centralized digital. currency. You step out of line at all, they shut your bank account down. You. can't travel. You can't get a job. >> I think is a good argument for going to. space and spend like Someone somewhere.

should be free. Yeah. Someone somewhere. needs to be on the frontier and not be. uh subject to this. No, I really. I just come from a country where it's. not free and it everywhere there's a. camera. Mhm. Everyone's doing the speed. limit. It's the little things. >> Australia? It's Australia. But which you. think of as being a nice open country, but and it is. Look, it's a nice place, but it doesn't have the sense of freedom. that America has where you really feel. walking around here. No, you're. controlled by your government and the. government is entirely corrupt. >> But this country there is a freedom in.

America that people believe in. And. that's unique and it's beautiful and it. has to be preserved. And if you didn't. let. the government take it away from you, don't let the computers take it away. I think we're going to integrate. I. think we're going to become a totally. different thing and I think society is. going to move much more into a science. fiction existence. That's what I think. They're all horrible stories. Yeah, there's no good ones. There's like. I don't know, Back to the Future, they. get to drive around in the sky. That. seems great. They make a big difference. Jetsons?

Rosie seems like a great AI helper. No, I I think. There will be There's It's got to be. looming that the as as middle-class. white-collar professionals start to lose. their jobs. They're all [ __ ] Well, they're they're people getting laid off. >> But these are motivated people ready to. die. Wouldn't you become an AI terrorist? There are no AI terrorists at all? There's no one. There's zero? I'm not. joining. I'm not trying to sign up. I. wouldn't do it myself.

>> one Luigi. People ready to get behind him. One. Luigi armors up and goes in a data. center and just starts [ __ ] machine. gunning all the hard drives. He gets taken out. >> There's a Brit Marling show where that. happens at the end. What show? Uh her. name's Brit Marling. She made a show. called The OA. It's my favorite TV show. But then her second show was about an AI. who starts killing people. And at the. end they go into the data center and. they. What was the OA? Oh, man. I remember. that. The OA was a Netflix show that.

didn't do great with numbers. But it was. so beloved. >> It was I loved It's my favorite show. ever. >> I loved it until the last episode. Oh, I. The resolve of the last episode. Did you. ever Did you just watch the first. season? >> Yeah, that's it. Is there more than one. season? Second season was unbelievable. and made the first season better. When. did the second season even come out? Uh. I think it was just post-COVID. I loved. it. And it's so the second season is. They wrote them so tightly that the. first season is better for having. watched the second one. Like there are.

little things that it cross-forwarded. back. And the movements. But her second. show was great. I had She is great. She's one of the most interesting. People hunger struck when the second. season came out and then the show got. canceled. People chained themselves up. outside of Netflix and didn't eat for. days. And eventually she the maker of. the show had to go to that person. They're like Give them sandwiches. Maybe. it's time for you to go home. >> [laughter]. [snorts]. >> But it was beautiful. >> People are so crazy. But it's one of. those rare I mean sometimes there is.

like just a great. There's a great show There's a great. thing that goes unrecognized at the time. and then years later people. I don't know how many people I've spoken. to who've discovered that show in more. recent times. It doesn't happen very. often. Used to have more sleeper hits maybe. Like Shawshank Redemption was a flop and. then years later Right. >> people knew about it. >> Yeah, I didn't know that until later. I. think it was on VHS that it And there. used to be heaps of VHS hits in the It. was a great movie, too. I don't. understand why It was I think it was in. competition with a bunch of different. crazy movies at the same time. Yeah. I.

think it was like one of those weird. months where everything came out. >> It's like the. I mean it's great. Yeah, it's great. movie. It should have. I can't think of another sleeper hit in. recent years. Like musically sometimes. things will. take a while to get going. Mhm. But like. typically if a show or a movie doesn't. do well anymore, it's done forever. What, Jamie? I'm silent. Oh, is there? I thought you. made a noise. Did Did you see the OA? No. Oh, man. It's good.

It's so good. I I also it's tied up in a. weird time in my life where like. we had just had our first child. Like I had So I had a baby and I was. terrified and I didn't know what was. happening and I watched that and I felt. I could have probably watched anything. and had an emotional connection. I. watched Parks and Rec and I cried a lot. at the same time for that. And I'm. pretty sure that wasn't as deep and. meaningful. So, how long are you. planning on staying here now? I got 6. weeks. Unless this gets extended. >> Yeah. And I'm doing Oh, man. 40 shows in 30 days. Wow. Yes, I'm going.

to try. >> by yourself or did you bring the whole. family? It's just me, but I'm going to. I've got openers. I'm bringing openers. on the road. Nice. Uh so I'm flying out. after this weekend going to Albuq- I'm. doing the drive from Albuquerque to. Phoenix to San Diego. And then. it's up and then it's over and then it's. Florida. So, what has it been like going. to Oh, yeah, thank you. back to. Australia? Like when when you're doing. shows there, like are people happy to. see you? >> insufferable. Cuz I'm a guy I just I've been here and.

then I go back home and I go, "It's. wonderful over there. You should see the. size of the Snickers bars. They're like. this." So, for a few months people like. tolerated as best they could. Um yeah, it's it's My audience is so. different now. The The Australian. The Australian audience is quite. different to the American audience. I'm. getting a lot of like. uh. Maybe because the dam is breaking and. like there's no one doing. I don't know, like a less tame stuff.

But boy, the people coming out in. Australia are they're shouty. Shouty? [ __ ] yeah, mate, brother. >> [screaming]. >> They're excited. It's a lot of that. They're pumped up. They're ready to go. They're having their 16 standard drinks. for the evening. >> [laughter]. >> You know? Um but overall it's incredible. But. you're getting a lot of people coming to. see you. So, they're hyped up. >> Like nothing I've ever done. Uh That's really cool because that That. was the thing about Jeffries is that he. didn't really develop the same kind of. following.

in Australia as he did in America. >> His audience in Australia is more bogany. than it In America he's got liberals. coming. Mhm. But in Australia they they. just wanted him to do a shoey. I. remember when I saw that. They were brutally demanding that he do. a shoey. Brutally demanding. Do it. DO IT NOW. I went I just played a club. uh and I saw. It was nice. They've started putting up. all the pictures of the Americans. It. was the Comics Lounge in Melbourne. I. did that the night before I left. And I. got a I got a photo of you on the wall. wall that you had signed. And young Tony.

[clears throat] Hinchcliffe back before. he had any testosterone in his body. >> [laughter]. >> And um it was like a thinner Stavros and. all the [ __ ] Town boys when they It's. Yeah, everyone has been through there. Mark Normand. Great club. It's so It's really the closest club to. like an American club that Australia. has. And they're lovely boys. And I. stunk it up. I was I was nervous cuz I. was coming out here. It [laughter] was the night before I. flew out. And I was sure I wouldn't get. in the country. I started thinking about. like So, it was [ __ ] with your head?

I was I can't believe I got in. I was. like I I think my passport's falling. apart. I started to have a panic attack. But my visa's in the passport. So, I. went to the passport office and they. were like, "It might be okay. We don't. know.". Oh, poor They wouldn't give me like a. firm answer on if I'd get in. I was. like, "I don't want to call you and say. I'm sorry I've been held up at the. border." Oh, Jesus. >> Yeah, but I made it in. It's so nice being back. It is Oh, man. I'm having big feelings. Do you think. you're going to stay in Australia? How. are you going to do this? You going. >> no idea. Try to keep hopping back and.

forth or you going to try to move back. here again? >> This is my pop back and forth at the. moment is the plan. The The issue when. we came out. for that Ohio gig. um. I never like decided with my wife that. we would move to America. We never had a. conversation about it. She came over We. were meant to be here for 3 months and. it turned into two incredible years. But like we were homeschooling the kids. We were not in a good position to do. that. We have no family. We tried to. hire like a nanny. I didn't know how to. [ __ ] do that. Right.

>> had someone work for me before in my. home. Right. >> know how to communicate. That's odd. And then getting family over. here is is tough, but I would like to. I'm looking at. how how one does that. But it's like a whole I understand why. when people come to America like when. immigrants come. they [ __ ] You go to a neighborhood full. of people. like you. Right. >> You know? And you get your cousin over. here and his cousin. Everyone's like. working cuz you need. You can't be like alone. You've got to. have family as best you can.

And for me I was thrilled. I mean I like. the fraternity of being a comedian is. unbelievably Every problem you have. people people know about it. People you know. If there was there was a club that was. screwing me and everyone in the green. room was like, "Yes.". And it's Her name is Julie and she's a. [ __ ] [ __ ] You know, whatever. Like. You I feel You feel known and heard and. people can help you and you mesh in. But. like in terms of raising kids and. family, it's uh. It was wild to as an immigrant not. knowing how to like. Are the schools safe? I didn't know cuz.

people talk about public schools in. America and they go, "The kids will get. shot or they'll chop their dicks off." I. didn't I don't know. Something for everybody, you know? Or like then there's nice Catholic. schools, but you got to like travel. around. I was We were over our heads. There's quite a few Catholic schools in. Austin. Some of them are great. Yeah. >> I did a deep dive on them before I. I'm trying to figure it out what it. would look like. But I have no idea. So, is your wife willing to try it again? Yeah, I've got it She's got to learn how. to drive. That's it? She's got to learn [laughter].

how to drive. That's the big hold up? That's a That in Austin that was a big. That was a big problem Driving's not. that hard. I keep saying it. I keep saying it, but she'll learn. Yeah. >> I believe in her. We'll figure out the kids She's happy. there. And also I have beautiful friends. and I love my church. >> there? Oh, sorry, in Adelaide. Okay. >> And I said this We also I struggled to. find a parish here. I struggled to find a church and I've. realized that's very important for me. Mhm. And if I don't have my like. I love my priest. There's something. about immigrating that is bad for the.

Do you know what I mean? Like. even though Australia has so many. problems, there's something inside of me. that is an Australian person. Mhm. And America's maybe the most welcoming. country to immigrants in the world. But. there's I do feel some sense that I'll. never get to be an American. Why not? America's a melting pot. Yeah, but. there's It's melting very slowly. No, it's not. >> There's a lot of chunks in there that. haven't blended in with the other parts. of the pot. It's [ __ ] You don't. think so? No. You [ __ ] pop over here.

and you start doing arenas, you'll feel American as [ __ ] Okay? It's. just a matter of you achieving a. financial level of success that's. commensurate with your talent. That's. all it is. >> Sometimes when the flag is going and the. fireworks are popping off in the sky, I. think I'm going to [ __ ] It's crazy. But. like in my heart. Dude, you can I see the eagle in my. mind. >> If you start doing really well out here, you'd fit in really well. I'm in And. every time you do podcasts, every time.

you do specials, every time you put out. something out on YouTube and do Kill. Tony, it all just compounds. Like that's. why I was telling you like this is the. terrible time for you to leave cuz. you're literally on the launching pad. >> I know. And you look at how guys like. Shane went from, you know, being a. respected comedian in New York to being. a [ __ ] giant national talent after. the SNL stuff. Like it's just about. being good and getting the message out. there. And if you're good, people love. comedy. They'll find you, man. They'll.

they'll embrace you. I'm going to cry. You were really lovely. to me when I was when I had to go. And. the things you said about me and how. Anyway, I won't go into I can't. I've had one glass of whiskey now. And. if I talk about my emotions and. I just like Well, you're really. talented. And. it's not often in life where someone. gets to find themselves in a position. like you were in. Where you were being. embraced by all these very successful. other comedians that were willing to.

help you. Yeah. All these podcasts you. go on. It was just a matter of time. for you where you took off. It's a. matter of time. You were right there. And the talent is the most important. thing. The most difficult thing is to be. good. Yeah. Once you get past that, then. it's just about letting the world know. Well, this is a really good time to let. the world know. magic of getting to like. I did three sets last night and two sets. the night before. And I just like. something is Exciting, right? >> have a little idea at the first one. So, I'll change that a little bit and then.

the game of it starts again. Uh-huh. And. I'm very happy right now. It's like I. get I honestly I get to do it even just. every night for the next month. Month and a bit. I get to do like one or. two hours every single night and spots. around town all this week. Yeah. You're. going to have a hard time going back. back to Australia staring at those. [ __ ] kangaroos. Yes, I am. It'll be fine. >> So, do you think that you could envision. a scenario where your wife would be open. to try it again? >> Yeah. Okay. But we. I don't know when and I don't know how.

it would all work. And we I do love. Adelaide. Like when I'm there. I have some sense of being at home that. is profound. Mhm. Like I look up at the. sky and I feel like there's a roof over. me. Like in a comforting way. >> Like you belong there. Yeah. But it's also maybe the worst place to. develop as a I mean, we've had great. stand-ups come out of there. And I love. Adelaide. And you know, there are people. running rooms, but they're like we don't. have a club. We don't have a club. We don't have one. club going Well, this is a city of 1.4. million people and there's no We have a.

We have places where they do comedy, but. in terms of like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, early show, late show, lineup shows, 10. 15 minutes, it's not there. But do you. have enough talent to support a club? It comes in waves in the way that any. medium-level comedy city like. All of a sudden it'll build up and. there'll be great people and then. they'll all go. People go to Melbourne, Sydney. Right. And I will say that's. been one nice thing about Australia not. letting. talent come through for so long and also. the UK declining is I now know heaps of.

people who've come to America. like after me and just before me. And. there are heaps of Aussies flooding into. this country now. Amos my best friend Amos Gill just got. passed at the Cellar. And I'm so like. I'm so proud of him. Oh, that's awesome. >> gigging all the time and he's getting to. He just recorded a special in Denver. Nice. Yeah. And it's like Blake Freeman. is doing well. And all the I I get all. these Aussies are hitting me up and go, "Can you get me into the mothership?". And it's like, "Well, not you, but you.

know, maybe some other ones. >> [laughter]. >> I don't know." That's the problem. Right. >> I don't know how many I've put on in. front of Adam on the Mondays, but I've. had to stop. Yeah. There's some people. you can't use up that currency on people. that don't deserve it. You know. Cuz you. want to help people, but you can't. They. have to be ready. And they have to put. in the work. There's a lot of people. that think you're going to provide them. with a shortcut and they really haven't. prepared properly. Yeah. And they. haven't put in the work to get to that. point. We had a few of those guys come. from LA that were like their careers had.

floundered horribly in LA due to. laziness and fill in the blank. Fill in. the blank. And then they tried to like. restart themselves in Austin. I'm like, "No. Like you you can't half-ass this. thing. This thing is hard to do and. there's too many people trying to do it. all the way." Yeah. We're flooded with. people trying to do it all the way. If. you think you're going to come over here. and half-ass it because it's like this. new place and now it'll be exciting. again and they don't know you. Like we. [ __ ] know you. But I think people. don't love it. People love the thought.

of being good at it and being respected. But like when I I got to open for Mark. Normand in Australia, which is how I met. him. And he'll do. you know, like a 2,000-seat theater. early show and then the late show and. then he'll go "What else is open?". Right. >> "Take me to the open mic with six people. in it now." Yeah. Well, that's New York. Yeah. New York. He's got a great. documentary that they just released It. was such a good idea. I was furious. I wanted to do that with women. What do you mean? What just this sort of.

you only have women in the audience or. you only have one kind of person. No, you're not you're not that. documentary. Oh, sorry. I apologize. I. apologize. >> No, it's a documentary about him getting. ready for a special. So, when he's. getting ready for a special, he's. working out the jokes at all these. different places and showing how he goes. up at the stand, then he goes up at the. Cellar, and then he travel and then. talking about the development of all. these bits about how the bit came. together when he added this new line. And it's so it shows him working all. this stuff out on the way to doing the. special in Boulder. I didn't mean to. interrupt. I didn't know about that.

>> Yeah, it's a new one. He just put it out. like. 14 days ago. >> know the other show that he's done? >> Yeah, yeah, yeah. The other show with. all the wokies in the audience. Yeah. How many shows is he doing? Oh, he's an. animal. He's he's got incredible work ethic and. constantly writing. Yeah. You seen his. pile of notes that he keeps in his. pocket? >> not have a folder. I'm like, "Bro, you're going to break your back." Yeah. >> You can't sit on a rock like that. He's. got this He's siphoning through them. Yeah. But he like I mean, he really. loves it. He wants to be doing it. >> Did you find that Norman thing? It's. pretty cool.

Does the bit work out and get into the. special? >> Well, it's not just a bit. It's a lot of. bits. But it's it's like him showing. like what the behind the scenes is like. Him showing him rushing from one club to. go to another place do a spot, checking. the lineups. Okay, I could do this and. then I can leave here and go down the. street and then be back for the 10:00. show. It's really interesting because. especially for people that don't know. what it's like. So, there is Pushing. Boulder is what it's called.

>> Oh, it's long. It's a proper docu Yeah. Yeah. It's really good, dude. And it for a comic, you know, it's it's. really fun. They catch him in the toilet. in the beginning. Like he's in Boulder. Colorado. >> that is what every hotel room looks like. on the road. It's great cuz it's it shows you what. it's really like. And if you think it's. easy, like you think you get to a guy. like Mark Normand's level that he's. just, you know, no big deal, easy. No, no, that guy's. constantly. grinding. He's constantly going out and. writing and tweaking and it's in his.

head. And he's talking about it in. diners. He's sitting in a bodega having. a coffee, going over his notes. It's really cool because it's that's the. real process. What's the willingness to be bad again? Mhm. Which is. No one wants to do that. No one wants to. have a special come out and have to. start again and have to suck. Like that Jerry Seinfeld comedian. documentary is the perfect I mean, he. I mean, they're both still doing it. What's the other guy's name? Orny? Yeah. Did you know Orny? I did not. Orny.

Adams. >> not come across great in that. documentary, but he's still out there. He's still going. >> did that to him on purpose to make Jerry. more likable. That's my impression it. was. I felt like that's why they picked. him. I felt like they decided to pick a. guy who's like way less likable and it. makes Jerry look great. >> [laughter]. [snorts]. >> Well, I mean, the ending is pretty. >> Especially at the time cuz he's a young. guy at the time. He's really new to. comedy. I mean, he wasn't doing comedy. that long. And then the final scene is. Cosby, right?

Crazy. Yeah. Yeah. He just loved the work. I think Cosby's. Is he not touring anymore? >> He's out. He's He's out of jail. They. let him out. Did you see the. >> blind now. I mean, he can still get up. I'm sure he can still throw down. There was a I don't think they'd let. him. He did a round of gigs just before. the first time like when when the trial. started. But the allegations were out. Did you. see that? No. He was doing crowd work. >> he was doing it. He was He was doing. crowd work?

>> Yeah, there's a line that came out. I. don't think anyone got a recording, but. people wrote it down. that he was he's doing he's riffing with. the crowd and a lady gets up and goes to. the bathroom. and he says, "You're going away? Watch. your drink.". He gets a big pop. Wow. >> He's still got it. That's crazy. That's. a crazy thing to say. He probably. was doing bad stuff, but still. >> 100%. No? I would say. I had heard about that in the '90s. I heard about that on the set of.

NewsRadio and I was like, "What?". >> The drugging? Yeah, that he drugged. women. I heard about it in the 1990s. I. couldn't believe it. I was like, "What? Bill Cosby?". >> Was this widespread? People knew about. this at the time, though? >> People in Hollywood knew. Actors. So, actors It was an actress that actually. told me that that Bill Bill Cosby drugs. women. But then everybody who had him on. like. a tonight show or a late show or was. doing a fun interview with him must have. heard. I don't know. You know, I would I'd have to.

know into their world. Jerry would have. heard that before having him on the. People heard about it at a certain point. in time. It's whether or not they. believed it. Jury orders Cosby to pay. nearly $60 million to ex-waitress after. finding he abused her in 1972. Holy [ __ ]. >> Yeah. 1972. Have you Have you seen his Facebook. page? What? His Facebook page. >> Yeah, and well, it was while he was in. prison they were still updating it and. it's a very pro-Cosby.

There's like team Cosby that's still. trying to keep the reputation for. >> Yeah, there's a lot of delusional people. out there. I think they're on the payroll. They got. to be. Could be. I mean, he still. probably has a lot of money. The Cosby. Show was a tremendous hit. The The. records are great. They were great. Yeah, I mean, he was a great talent. Also, he's probably doing some raping. Probably doing some of that. >> lot of raping. Yeah, quite a bit. >> Although the way The way they. I I read something about the case where. they got him and they put him away, but.

I didn't finish like I've never found it. again. So, I don't know if it's true, but it's what I read about the evidence. that they had to convict him. Where he. he he was drugging His defense was that. he was drugging the women, but it was. consensual and they knew they were there. for a drugging. That was I believe his defense. I think. I'm getting this right. I think I'm. remembering this correctly. And there. was a lady and the way they got him was. that he she got pneumonia afterwards. because he did the drugging. and then he left her on the couch. without a blanket on a cold night.

and she said if we'd been in a. relationship, he would have put a. blanket on me. Whoa. But I've always thought that that. was maybe only in a relationship would. you. have the resentment to not put a blanket. So, I don't know that that would decide. it either way, but it was a weird. His defense wasn't that he wasn't there. and hadn't done it. He was like, "Yeah.". Well, maybe there was so much evidence. that he did it that they had to come up. with something clever. Like neither. confirm nor deny. They had to like work. their way around it. That I was drugging.

women unconscious? They wanted to. They. knew that's that's what the fun game. was. But the He got out, right? >> Crazy. Well, I think he got. out out because he paid a woman off and. so there was some sort of a deal where. he paid a woman off and part of the the. deal of him paying the settlement was. that he can never be tried again for. this. It's like double jeopardy? I don't know. Okay. So, it wasn't a. criminal conviction. It was a civil. conviction. And so then he was tried for.

it criminally. And so I think that's how he got off. He. got off because his his lawyer argued. that the settlement of the first Here, we'll see it here. Immunity agreement. That's it. Um. So, it says Bill Cosby's defense. successfully overturned his 2018 sexual. assault conviction 2021 by arguing that. a prior prosecutor promised not to. charge him rendering his incriminating. test deposition testimony inadmissible.

The defense led by Jennifer Bonjean. argued that using his testimony violated. his rights framing the prosecution as a. violator of due process. >> Using his testimony violated his rights. >> Because it was part of his willingness. to testify was that he couldn't be. prosecuted for it criminally. Yeah. Whatever. That's spooky. It's crazy. It's crazy. Um it's just crazy that this guy did. this for a decades. Yeah. >> It's not like there's a story of one.

weird night or someone woke up and had a. headache and go, "I think this. [ __ ] put something in my drink.". No, it was. decades. And it was also like he joked. around about it in The Cosby Show. Like. using a special barbecue sauce. Did you. use my special barbecue sauce that gets. everybody horny? I didn't know about this. >> Oh, yeah. I knew about the Spanish. Spanish fly joke. Remember that? >> bit, yeah, about Spanish fly. And he. also did that bit I believe on The. Tonight Show he talked about it.

>> [laughter]. >> Like he talked about on The Tonight Show. giving people Spanish fly. Like giving. people a drink that would make them. horny. But there was a an episode. >> sauce? >> Yeah, yeah. A special barbecue sauce. that would make people horny on The. Cosby Show. Look at this. Well, now it. certainly is nice to see them work. things out for themselves. They won't. work anything out for themselves. It's. my barbecue sauce. [laughter]. Oh, gee. Your barbecue sauce. My. barbecue sauce. Haven't you ever noticed. that the people have some of my barbecue.

sauce after a while when it kicks in. they get all huggy-buggy? Oh, stop. >> I'm dead serious. Haven't you ever. noticed that after one of my barbecues. and they have the sauce, people want to. get right home? What's the music? Look at these people. >> I got a cup of it up on the nightstand. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, Bill. I got a cup of it, I said.

Left it up there breathing. Why don't you give the chicken to these. people? Let's go up and have some sauce. >> [laughter]. >> So, here's the rest of the chicken, you. guys. Creepy, right? Like that was his move. >> That That music was not part of the. original Cosby Show. I wish it was. Yeah. It would've been great if it was. I I'd never seen that before. Yeah. My. special barbecue sauce. Yeah. You There was the There's a Seinfeld.

episode where he drugs a woman so he can. play with her toys. Am I getting that. right? Is that true? Yeah, there's an. episode where she There's some sort of. like sleeping medication. And he gives it to her so he can play. with her toys. What kind of toys does. she have? >> like figurines and collectibles that he. wants to play with. And so he he like. >> want her to know? He date rapes the. woman. He doesn't have sex with her. He. gets her unconscious so that he can play. with her figurines. I think that's. >> the secret date rape Seinfeld episode. Am I getting that right? The drug Jerry uses food with high.

tryptophan, turkey, or medic- medicine. to make her drowsy, which he brags about. doing multiple times. Wow. He's obsessed. with playing with Celia's pristine toys. including an original GI Joe and a. Mattel football game. 1997. Special barbecue sauce is uh. >> creepy as [ __ ]. I want to sample that and wrap So, he. sounds so He's also I know that he was. very. Yeah, I didn't like it. Makes me. uncomfortable.

And man's got time. We've got to say the. man. the delivery is unquestionably Well, he's got a lot of practice in saying. things like that. I wonder if he's still He's not still on. the road. He can't still be. I don't. think he's doing anything. I think he's. probably in hiding. He's like a. 95-year-old man. >> He's a 95-year-old man. I think he's at. least partially blind. Yeah. And. obviously a pariah. >> Did you ever watch the last Jimmy Fallon. set that he did? No. He rides around on. his back. On Jimmy Fallon's back? >> Yeah. Okay. Why would Jimmy Fallon agree to.

that? >> I don't remember. I don't know that he. did. I mean, Jimmy Fallon's up and about. He's having a nice time. He's a jovial man, but I think he's it's. some Yeah. I remember and then it was like weeks. later. >> Fallon's rid- riding on Bill Cosby's. back. >> Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's not He's not. having. >> That's even weirder because Bill Cosby's. really old. I'd be like, "Bro, what if. your knees give out?". >> saying that he was strong, but I think. that was just before it came out. >> ride. >> Cuz it was I think it was Hannibal. Buress who This is 2023?

No, this is when they uploaded it. It. would have to be. >> Oh, 2014. 2014. We got to wrap this. [ __ ] up. I'm in. I love you, buddy. It's great to see you back. Thank you. Thanks, man. See you tonight? Yeah. >> want to set tonight? >> Yeah, let's do it. All right. Let's. [ __ ] go. Um Instagram, Twit- What's your handles? JDF McCann, the James Donald Forbes. McCann Catamaran Plan. Big podcast. It's a personal podcast. >> My man. All All right. Have a beautiful. day. All right. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody.

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