Joe Rogan Experience #2482 - Andy Stumpf

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Being a pacifist is the way. Avoid. violence at all costs. You know what I. mean? >> Passively. [laughter]. >> Look at you, dog. You're a [ __ ]. author. Let's take it easy. I'm not an. author until tomorrow. Technically. [laughter]. >> No, you're an author once it's writt. author. I have a book in my hand which. makes you an author. >> I tell you what, man. You had more of a.

you had more of a hand in that book than. you would think. >> Really? >> Um, every, you know, before we started, I had you sign one of the copies because. I'm going to keep it for myself. And the. people's names who associated themselves. with that, who took a chance on me and. supporting me, they have just as much as. hands as the monkey who may or may not. have been sitting in front of the. computer writing out the words very. slowly. Isn't that the case with. everything in life though? I mean, it's. it's really who you know and like the. people that you associate associate with.

and what you learn from them and their. examples with everything and then. there's no individuals that are. responsible entirely for their own life. There are individuals though that would. tell you that they are. [laughter]. >> Yeah. But you those are the those are. the people that I don't hang out with. >> Yeah. I can't I can't suffer being in. the presence of somebody who thinks that. they had every idea and every right. decision was theirs because I look at my. own life. One, I can't compete with that. because my life is defined by its. mistakes and idiotic things I've done.

Uh but two, I just I don't get it. I'm a. I'm a product of the people who I was. raised by, the people I was around, the. people still in my life. I mean, >> 100%. We all are. If you don't think. that, you're delusional. They You cannot. have an exceptional person that's. surrounded by [ __ ] They You just. won't. Eventually, they'll give into. dipshittery. It's contagious. Negative. negative people. >> You really got me thinking though if. that is possible. I'm trying to think of. an example. >> Yeah, I probably shouldn't have. [laughter] said it's impossible. It. could be possible, but it's very highly.

unlikely. And also, they didn't achieve. their full potential. If that's the. case, they would have been even better. if they had been surrounded by. exceptional people. >> Improbable at best. >> Yeah. At best. >> Yeah. >> I I've never seen an example of it. May. again, maybe one exists that I don't. know about, but as far as all the. exceptional people that I know, they all. associate with other exceptional people. >> You know quite a few exceptional people. You have an interesting job that has a. ven diagram that is incredibly unique in.

the people you've been able to sit down. with. >> It's pretty [ __ ] weird. >> Did you ever think? >> No. First off, by the way, I try to. point as many people as possible to JRE. number one because I think it's a. [laughter] masterpiece. >> It's a good thing to see. >> Oh my god, it's terrible. >> I'm like, wait for the snowflakes. And. they go, "What the [ __ ] are you talking. about?" [laughter]. >> They're like, "What?" I'm like, I'm. like, "Just wait." It's amazing. I mean, could you have ever thought though at. JRE1 where I feel like that was you on a. a laptop video? >> It was. Yeah. 100%. Yeah. And to where. you are now where you were like sitting.

down and talking to some of the most. influential people on the face of planet. Earth. >> No. I mean I mean I think if I planned. it out like that it would have never. worked. You know. >> you would have tried too hard maybe. >> I don't know what I would have done. I. mean I probably would have been more. careful which would have made it less. fun which would have made it less. attractive. You know, I think uh the two. things that I've done that are really. important is not pay attention to much. online talk about me and just follow my. interests and my instincts.

>> Like I I book the the whole thing. entirely on instinct. I look at like the. the all the different suggestions that. come in and all the different requests. to be on the show and I go, "No, maybe. what's that?" Huh. >> Purely on self-interest. >> 100%. >> I think that's the way. What do you get. per day? Like ballpark. people trying to get on your show. >> I don't even know because I have a. really good guy that filters out a lot. of them. >> I bet it's got to be in the hundreds. >> Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, but he filters out.

a lot of them and it gets down to, you. know, like what I he knows [snorts] me. really well and so he, >> you know, sends me like some physicist. is working on some new thing, some. quantum thing, this that the other. thing. like there's a new person that's. doing this and there's new research on. that and then there's you know that kind. of [ __ ]. >> Yeah. I think the difference between you. and me is I appreciate the fact you can. hold a conversation with those people. I. would be sitting there listening to them. with like the scroll wheel on the back.

like [laughter]. >> do you have words that are smaller that. could explain that? Well, some of them I. have to really prepare for, like, you. know, if I have like a Brian Cox on or. something like that, I'll really. prepare, you know, or, you know, there's. been a few people over over time where I. I knew they were coming on like three. months out, so I I've read a couple of. their books. I watched a few of their. lectures. I w you know. Yeah. >> But then there's other ones like I could. just hang out hang out with them and. like Evan Evan Haver comes on. We just.

shoot the [ __ ]. >> Angry small French painter. [laughter]. [ __ ] Green Beretss. >> He's the best. I love. >> I was with him at the uh Montana grand. opening, Montana Knife Company grand. opening of their new HQ. >> It's We've been on the road a bit, I. think, like two days ago. He's one of my. favorite people. Absolut. But he's one. of my favorite people. >> He's an awesome human. Yeah. A very. unusual human being. And you know, he's. one of the ones that's suffering from. that stupid [ __ ] alpha gal bite. He's. got that tick. He got bit by that tick.

that makes you allergic to red meat. Is. it all red meat or processed red meat? >> It's animal meat. It's mammal meat. That's the thing. You could eat some. fish. Some people can eat fish. Some. people can eat chicken. He's broken it. down to only eating eggs right now. That's how bad it is. He's getting all. of his protein from eggs, which is a. great source of protein, no doubt. But. um. >> that's exhaustingly boring, [snorts]. though. >> Just go to dinner with him. It's crazy. The guy has to eat vegetables and eggs. That's all he can eat.

>> God, I would just mock him incessantly. to his face. I know you would. [laughter]. >> I do. >> Do you guys have a larger salad? Yeah. I. mean, I I would mock him that way. because I care for him so deeply. He is. truly like one of my closest friends. He. is he's an awesome dude. >> Yeah. And so, he's been battling this. for a couple years now. So, he he got. clear of it and uh he was eating meat. again and he was fine and he thought it. was over. And then it came back. It came. back with a vengeance. And it's it's a. weird [ __ ] disease because I Let's.

find out put this into perplexity. What. uh what is the most. what is as far as like the documented. cases of this alpha gal syndrome? When. did it first uh start occurring in the. United States? Cuz I had never even. heard about it until Evan when he told. me about it. I was like what? You got a. allergic to red meat. >> and how can a tick bite cause it? I. mean, Lyme disease is another one. Like, how does it do that? A bite from a tick.

just jacks up the human body. >> Well, apparently Lyme disease has. existed. There's been forms of Lyme. disease throughout history, but there's. real solid evidence that Lyme disease, which is named Lyme disease because of. Lyme, Connecticut, is related to Plum. Island where they were doing bioweapons. research on ticks. >> It's historically good idea. >> and it's right there. It's like. literally right there. And then the the. the prevalence of Lyme disease on the. East Coast is [ __ ] outrageous. It's.

outrageous how many ticks carry this. [ __ ] thing. I know so many people. that have Lyme disease. >> And that's a lifelong one, too, right? Like you're not getting off that train. if you you manage the system. >> You can cure it. You can cure it. People. have cured it. And they've particularly. cured it if they get on antibiotics very. quickly. So, um, one of the weird things. about Lyme disease is it the bite has. like a little target around it. It's. weird. It's like it it almost looks like. a bullseye because the infection as it. grows there's a red circle around the. bite and if that's and but that goes.

away within a few days but if that's. recognized you bring it to a doctor they. get you on antibiotics you can actually. get off of it depending on the severity. of your case obviously. So here it is. Alpha gal syndromes appear to have first. emerged in the US in the late 1980s but. was not recognized as a distinct tick. related meat allergy until the early. 2000s. So in ' 89, clinicians in Georgia. uh collected about 10 cases of delayed. allergic reactions to mamalian meat, mamalian mamalian mamalian meat and link.

them to prior tick bites. But these. observations were not widely recognized. at the time. Allergy was first formerly. identified as originating from tick. bites in the US by Thomas Plattz Mills. in the early 2000s. Reports note this. discovery process beginning around 2002. and becoming clear by 2007. Huh. So the in the medical literature is. first described in 2009 when published. work documented patients with delayed. reactions to red meat and link them to.

IG. uh against alpha gal. Interesting. So it. seems like it's in the 80s but really. started being recognized in the 2000s. >> Explain. I mean he has definitely he's. slendered down quite a bit. >> I mean he's lost I think he lost 10. pounds. I'm pretty sure he was wearing. his wife's pants at the MKC [laughter]. event. They were very tight. Very tight. Unacceptably tight. But that could be a. benefit. If you're the same size as your. wife and you have just one wardrobe, I'm. here for it. >> That's nice. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's efficiency.

>> Some of their shoes though are really. hard to walk around in. >> I mean, you got to commit. >> Yeah, I would imagine. >> I mean, if Yeah. >> When I go places with my wife and I'm. like, "What are you doing? You can't. [laughter] walk. This is a crazy thing. you're doing. >> It's not for walking for fashion. It's. for what my daughter would call the ste. which I think means style. >> I didn't know that. >> I didn't know. I'm actually not sure. that I'm using it correctly. She just. teaches me words and I throw them out at. random times. But I learned a lot. >> Ste means style. I think. >> Yeah. >> Ste. Okay. >> Did you know about that one, Jamie? >> The ste.

>> I probably heard it. I don't. >> I have never heard it. >> until this moment. At least I don't. believe so. >> The ste. >> Feel free to use it however you want to. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Chicks wear stuff that they're so. vulnerable in. You can only take steps. that are less than 24 in wide. >> cuz you've got a dress that like. clinging to your knees, which is very. odd. Like it's like tight all around. here. So you've got these like short. steps and then the bottoms of your shoes. are slippery and then your heels are. elevated and then the the heel has a.

point to it so it gets stuck in the. grass. >> just waiting to snap at the most. inopportune moment. >> It's the dumbest [ __ ] of all time and. they're [ __ ] crazy expensive. The. whole thing makes no sense. Like what. are they doing? >> They're trying to look good for us, Joe. >> But they look good already. That's what. they don't understand. I think they're. looking good for themselves. I think. they look good without that [ __ ]. >> I would agree. >> Uh yeah, a hot chick in flipflops. No. one's going, "God, I wish you was. wearing some shoes that you couldn't. walk around in.". >> She might even be more approachable if. she was in flip-flops because you'd be. like, she's like maybe more down to.

earth. >> Maybe that's what they're going for. They're going for not approachable. trying to keep the [ __ ]. >> Doesn't that defeat the overall end like. long endound purpose? >> No. You're trying to get dudes that are, you know, willing to take a chance, >> you know, >> on what? >> On a gal that's unapproachable, like you. have enough confidence in yourself that. you'll step up to an unapproachable gal. >> Nope, not me. Hard pass. [laughter]. >> Hard pass. >> Too much work. I'm willing to do some.

things that people think are odd, but. yeah, I'm hard. That's a hard pass. >> Yeah, I know. But it's also it's like. you're not you're in line. There's a lot. of other dudes approaching that too, >> probably. >> So now then it's like a you're in an. audition process. >> [ __ ] all of that. >> Boring. >> Life is way too short for all that. >> It's great for people who don't have. anything else to do if that's all you. want to do. [sighs]. >> Nope. >> Yeah, I'm not interested in that either. >> Same. There's way too much other. exciting [ __ ] out there. >> Yeah. But yeah, if you and your wife.

wore all the same clothes, it would be. an issue. a good issue or bad? I mean, if you're limited on time, we're gonna. we're gonna go on a trip. Let's just. bring a pair of pants. We'll switch. >> I wonder what people did in the caveman. days. >> I don't think they were wearing much. >> Right. Were you wearing like some kind. of animal skins? It's basically a. oneizefits-all. >> Yeah. >> Tarpin cloth to throw over yourself. Yeah. >> Loin cloth to keep your dick from. getting caught in thorns. >> And then a tarp. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> Cutting edge at the time. I was reading. this story about these guys that were ex. exceptional marathon runners in uh in. Africa. And one of the things that they. did is this insane [ __ ] rights of. passage where they would circumcise them. with this. I don't remember the process, but it was. a particularly brutal process. They. slice the tip of their dick off and then. they would make them literally crawl. through thorns. >> What the Yeah. Like the whole idea is. just like make you as hard as humanly.

possible. And these guys, they were. pointing to this one tribe as developing. exceptional marathon runners because. these guys had such high pain tolerance. and such like willingness to go through. horrific or. >> what is it? Here it is. Initiation. >> Okay. Um, so he says he had to crawl. mostly naked through a tunnel of African. stinging nettles. Then he was beaten on. the bony parts of his ankle. Then his. knuckles were squeezed together. And.

then the formic acid from the stinging. nettle was wiped onto his genitals. But. that was all just a warm-up. Early one. morning, he was circumcised with a sharp. stick. That's what it is. A stick. Stick. During this whole process, the. crawling, the beatings, and the cutings. Try to say that guy's name. >> No. >> Kip go. Kipgo. >> Kipogi. >> Kipgo. Kipogi was obliged. It sounds. like a Korean dish was uh obliged to be. absolutely stoical, unflinching. He.

could not make a sound. Indeed, in some. of the versions of the ceremony, mud is. caked on the face and then mud is. allowed to drive. A crack appears in the. mud. Your cheek may twitch. Your. forehead may crimple crinkle. You get. labeled a kabet, a coward. You get you labeled a coward. if your cheek crinkles. and stigmatized by the whole community. Manners say that this is enormous social. pressure placed on your ability to. endure pain and is actually great.

training for a sport like running where. pushing through pain is so fundamental. to success. Circumcisions, he says, teaches kids to withstand pressure and. tolerate pain. Manor says he thinks this. distinct advantage conferred on athletic. kids who grew up in a pain embracing. society as opposed to western pain. avoiding one. Interesting. >> Yeah. >> What is this? Where is this at? In. Kenya. >> Is it a Kenyon tribe? Yeah. >> I mean, I'm going to be honest with you,

Joe. >> Yeah. Kenyon. >> If that's what they did to your people, I would run pretty goddamn fast, too, cuz I would want to get the hell out of. there. >> Yeah. I think it's that. But I just. think, you know, you're joking. obviously, but imagine if that's the. norm. If that's your baseline, you're. like accustomed to that. That's the. worst thing that you go through and you. have to do it completely stoic. >> at a young age. >> At a young age, you would develop some. insane tolerance to discomfort, which. >> I don't know if one time is enough, though. I mean, like what they're.

describing is horrendous, but true. tolerance and resilience and ability to. work through that stuff, I don't think. it's a singular event, >> right? Not that marathon running is uh. an easy endeavor by any stretch. So, they're continuing to do that. I mean, I. get what they're doing, that right of. passage, but holy hell. I mean, >> Mhm. >> that's pretty gnarly. >> That's a thing that you you will see. from ex fighters and even ex-military. guys. Like, what they endured when they. were young was so brutal that as they. get older, they avoid any discomfort at. all. They get fat and they just want to.

drink and be lazy. And you're like, "How. did you go from being that [ __ ] beast. to this slob?" And you know, they still. in their mind they're still a beast, you. know, because I did this and I was a. world champion and like big [ __ ]. belly. >> Yeah. They can't see their dick when. they're naked anymore. >> Weird. Uh it's I don't have any stats on. how. >> but it's because they stopped doing it. >> Correct. >> Right. >> I mean, laziness affects everybody, right? Everybody thinks that you come. from the special operations world and.

you're defined by discipline for the. rest of your life. No, you're you're. still a human being at the end of the. day behind the curtain. >> And yeah, gravity wants to keep guys. like that on the couch just as much as. everybody else. >> Yeah. >> But I think you realize the utility of. not allowing that to happen. >> Some people do. >> Some people do. I mean, that's true of. every occupation in life. >> Sure. >> You know. >> Yep. Yep. >> Maybe [clears throat] it's a little bit. more uncommon for people to see those. that came from that one of those. occupations, but yeah, they're out. there. >> Yeah. I think that's probably in. everything in the medical world. I'm. sure there's guys that like really paid.

attention in college and then they're. kind of halfassing it as doctors. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Yeah. It's like the difficulty of the. grind. Sometimes you get through it and. then you just go, I don't want to ever. [ __ ] do that again. Like I know guys. who are former Navy Seals will not get. in a [ __ ] ice bath. >> Yeah, I'm one of those. Hi, [laughter]. nice to meet you. >> Why would I consensually do that? >> No. No. [clears throat] And I also. [laughter] wish that they could make a. sauna that was just room temperature but. had all the health benefits.

>> See, sauna doesn't bother me at all. >> I can tolerate that one way more than. exceptionally cold water, which it's I. understand the health benefit. >> I'm willing to pass on that particular. health benefit to a it's emotional for. me. I just don't want to do that. anymore. >> I get it. Yeah, >> I get it. But what when I get to the. cold plunge, there's a the [ __ ] in me. is so loud. But when I get to the sauna, there's no [ __ ] It's like just get in. It's like I know it's gonna suck. About. 20 minutes in, it'll suck. For the last. five minutes, it's really gonna suck.

>> But the first 10 is easy. I just. high-five my inner [ __ ] at the cold. plunge and turn around. [laughter]. >> Like, why don't you take a lap in that. thing? I'm done with it. >> I almost don't do it every day. Every. day I almost don't do it. >> Yeah, it's harder emotionally than it is. physically. And uh. >> it's weird because after a minute, it's. not that bad. After one minute, it's. like you just kind of you develop like. sort of a relaxation and you're cool. That's fine. Especially if you do it a. lot,

>> but the first 10 15 seconds are just. like, what am I doing? You just want to. get out. You just want to quit. Like, get me the [ __ ] out of this 34 degree. water with ice up to my neck. [ __ ] this. This is so stupid. I don't have to do. this. >> Yeah. Hey, you feel like you're having a. heart attack, >> but then you just chill. And then when. you get out, you're like, you feel so. good. It's so worth it. >> Or don't do it. >> Just leave it empty. [laughter]. >> Use it to store tennis balls or.

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physiology that it might actually be. detrimental to do 34 degrees. That see. if you can find any data on that. You. know who's a great what's her name? Suzanne Soberg, she's the one who. created the Soberg principle. She's one. Hubberman cites all the time. Um, but I think there's something to do. Maybe it's less muscle mass. You know, your body has a more difficult time. heating itself up and, you know, creating a thermal barrier. I don't. know. >> Hubman is an example of a guy that I. deeply respect but struggle to.

understand what he's saying. >> Here it is. Uh, is this Suzan's? Did you. put this in perplexity? just asked. >> our wonderful AI sponsor, Perplexity. Specific condition considerations for. women. Women tend to vaso constrict. faster and have larger drops in core. temperature. >> Aha. Especially those in I don't know. what that is. Ludal phase. >> It's Yeah. Their uh cycle. >> The cycle. Oh. Uh when progesterone is higher. So. extreme cold could be more stressful.

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talk with a clinician first. Good luck. finding a [ __ ] clinician that. understands cold plunges, though. >> And there's a picture of me in the lower. right. [laughter]. >> It's probably what I look like when I. get my [clears throat] toe in. I just. don't like it, man. >> Don't do it. You don't. >> hydrophobic, I think, is the correct. term. >> You suffer enough. You suffer enough. Um, so this book, the title is. drownproof. And you were saying before. we got started, >> um, how many Navy Seals wind up. drowning? Yeah. >> And, uh, that it's actually kind of.

shocking. >> It would be for a community that is. supposed to have their roots in a. maritime environment. I mean, the SEAL. community draws its origins from the. UDTs and the Scouts and Raiders. And. honestly, up until 911, it was one foot. in the water and one foot on land. Like. every operation would start in the water. and then you could go onto the land but. you'd probably go back into the water. And almost all of the training we did. 911 was based around water. Um and I. think let's see Jamie you could look. this up. Uh two seals recently drowned. on a shipboarding uh real world.

shipboarding. Uh one guy it seems like. in the climb peeled off the ladder and. went into the water and somebody saw him. and went in with him because of the. concept of being a swim buddy. Never to. be seen again. Oh. >> yeah. Um. >> do they know what what happened to them? Like how. >> I mean it's uh Yeah. 2024 in the Arabian. Sea. Uh. >> oh. So he fell off a ship. >> Yeah. So they were approaching a vessel. I mean there's a couple ways that you. can get on a boat. You can come from a.

boat and you can climb up or you can go. to from a helicopter and fast rope down. or they could land depending on how big. the boat is. So they were coming up. alongside. It's it's called an underway. or a VBSS. Visit board search and. seizure is the technical military term. for it. And on the climb up the ladder, um, the guy peeled off, fell off the. ladder and another one went in with him. as his swim buddy. If they immediately, and there was, and it maybe still is an. ongoing investigation from my. understanding, they saw their head maybe. one time up and then they were gone.

Their bodies were never recovered. So. that would seem to be that they were. wearing negatively buoyant equipment. So, they were drugged down and they. probably were not able to activate their. uh life jackets in time, which is super. unfortunate. But the water doesn't give. a [ __ ] who you are and how much of a. badass you are. I think it's one of the. most gnarly environments on Earth. >> It really is. Every time I go in the. ocean and I swim in the ocean, there's. this feeling like I think I can make it. to shore, but I might not be able to.

Like if you jump off of a boat and. you've got like a couple hundred yards. to shore. Yeah, >> as you start swimming, you start. swimming like, I'm fine. I'm fine. Oh. boy, my heart is going pretty fast here. I'm breathing pretty heavy. That's a. long way. I'm moving very slowly. >> Yeah. >> Like, what if I can't do this? >> These are real positive thoughts to have. mid swim here, Joe. >> Yeah. Not [laughter] good. Not good. Yeah. It's only happened to me a few. times, but you know, my friend Greg.

actually had to save a woman. He was on. vacation. and you saw a woman getting. caught in the tide and she was getting. pulled out and. >> Oh, like a rip tide. >> Uhhuh. >> They never Those things will pull people. out never to be seen again. People don't. So I live up in northwestern Montana and. a lot of the Flathead Lake, the largest. freshwater lake west of the Mississippi. is right where I live. >> And Glacier National Park, tons of. snowfall and so it's glacially fed. rivers that feed into Flathead National. Forest or not Flathead National Forest, the Flathead Lake. And boating is a huge.

summertime activity and it people come. travel from all over the world to come. to Montana to see G&P Glacier National. Park and every year people are drowning. in these rivers and I don't know it's. dangerous but it can be avoided but it. seems as if they just do not have. respect for even medium moving water. They have no no exposure to it. They're. not used to be ining to being in that. water and they don't look at it and. realize like that'll kill me. so. incredibly fast and every year people.

are going into that thing and dying. every year. >> Well, it makes sense also that it's so. [ __ ] cold. That water is you're got. glacier streams. >> Yeah. >> It's like Remy rescued a lady from that. You know, Remy Warren Yeah. Remy. actually saw a boat uh that had capsized. and saw like gear floating by and saw a. woman that was struggling and I believe. her partner died. No, I'm sure her. partner died. and and he jumped in. freezing cold river and rescued her. And.

he was like, there's a bunch of moments. during there was like I am not going to. make it. I'm going to die trying to save. this lady. >> Which happens when people get close to. that point, you they're going to in your. best attempt to save them, they will try. to use you as a life raft, climb all. over you, and the next thing you know, two people are gone instead of one, >> right? >> Yeah. The water the water will eat your. lunch, man. It's it's wild. >> But you would think we spend so much. time training in the water that it. wouldn't happen. There's I mean there's. diving accidents. There is there are uh.

deaths in training. Um. >> how often does that occur? Deaths in. training. >> Oh, probably about every 5 years. And uh. it sucks. And what I'm about to say. people won't understand, but I also. think it's essential. I don't want it to happen, but I think. it probably is essential that it does. every once in a while. >> because the training has to be so. difficult that you get to the brink. You. have to train people for the job that. they're going to be asked to do. And the. training.

standards need to be a directly. downstream reflection of what the career. is going to be. >> And and I and I I don't have the. vocabulary to describe how bad I feel. for the families. And I'm, you know, I'm. not trying to minimize anybody's death, but you will lose more people in the. real world execution of the job if you. don't make training that difficult than. you will by making it that dangerous, knowing that it's going to be that. dangerous and that people will die. That. will have a positive impact on people. surviving the actual job itself.

>> That completely makes sense. Um, that's. just the realities of life. Yeah, some. jobs are very unique and some jobs have. very unique requirements and you have to. train for that or it's it's it's going. to either come from you on the the front. end of that or the or the tail end of. that. That's the balance of which one of. those are you going to focus on? >> Which is why the lowering of standards. is so [ __ ] dangerous. And when it's. talked about like the lowering of. standards to make it fair for some. applicants, like there's no fair in that.

job. I've never seen a bullet change. trajectory because uh it noticed what. you had between your legs and wanted to. go be more fair and equitable to. somebody else. >> Yeah, it's it doesn't matter in those. moments. >> Nor does the ocean give a [ __ ] Period. >> No, I don't believe it does. Does not. give a [ __ ] [laughter] But it's it's so. weird when we try to apply these. workplace equity considerations to. something that's is like lit I can't. think of a job that requires more of you.

than war. Like there is there's this is. literally life or death and taking life. There's no there's no job that requires. more of you. And so you would just. automatically assume the standards, especially for special operations guys, have to be the most stringent possible. You have to weed out all the [ __ ]. Like you can't have any [ __ ] in you at. all. There's got to be none. No quit, no. nothing. And that's there's only one way. to do that. It has to you have to make a.

bunch of people quit. >> A lot of the times the people who are. bottomlining the policy changes don't. have a direct impact in the training. pipeline themsel or the execution of the. job, >> which is crazy. >> Yeah. I mean, the military is a. bureaucratic system. Even in the special. operations world, even at like the. J-sock level, people would be it never. really makes the movie the amount of. paperwork that you end up doing. Like. you go on a trip and you have to collect. your receipts and do your travel claim. and all this other BS. It's all just. [ __ ] blowing up and you know, you throw. a grenade and it's a fireball the size. of a 55gallon drum of gasoline and yeah,

then there's two days sitting in front. of a computer typing out all of your. administrative stuff because of all the. bureaucratic restraints that are still. involved in all of that. That doesn't. seem smart. >> Uh it's just the way the military system. works. >> Now, is that to. somehow or another mitigate potential. actions that should not have been done. because you have to be so documented. Everything has to be so laid out. Like. >> I mean there's a lot of even like the. equipment that you wear oftent times.

well almost all of it is going to be. serialized. So you were issued that. equipment. You're responsible for it. There's paperwork that goes for being. issued that if you lose it, which does. happen, and it's not going to be career. ending, like if if you went out for a. week in a row and you're like, "Hey, I. uh lost my night vision goggles again. I'm gonna need another set of those.". You might have a problem. Uh but [ __ ]. happens and people lose gear. But, you. know, night vision, weapons, ordinance, ammunition, like a lot of that stuff is. serialized. And so, it's just the. bureaucratic way that even at that. level, you still have to keep track of. all of that stuff. >> You think they should hire somebody else.

to do that? They do, but oftent times. you are in small units very isolated by. yourself and so you still have to. maintain like even in the middle of. nowhere, you're still going to have to. maintain the paperwork aspect of all the. stuff that you take with you. >> God, that's kind of crazy. >> Yeah, [snorts]. >> that seems like an unnecessary. distraction to an already very insanely. difficult job. >> I mean, I'm not saying we do the. paperwork well. [laughter]. >> I mean, come on, Joe. There's a reason. why the DoD has never passed an audit, but I mean, ever. [laughter].

God, I know the Pentagon, like how many. years in a row has the Pentagon failed. their audits? >> Like 700. [laughter]. >> It really is kind of bonkers. >> I believe the Marine Corps is the only. branch of the military that has ever. actually done a legitimate audit and. passed. >> Really? >> Those guys are tightened up, man. Those. guys, God, I love Marines. They are the. best. >> Shout out to the Marines. >> They are the best, man. >> Wow. They the only guys who pass the. audits. That's crazy. >> Yeah. Yeah. The rest of us are just out. there like.

I think I got it with me. >> But the problem with that is once you. don't pass audits and there's a history. of you not only not passing audits but. not being punished for not passing. audits, that opens up the door. No. The Pentagon [laughter]. has never passed never passed a full. clean departmentwide financial audit of. as of the latest audits. Defense. Department is the only one of 24 major. federal agencies that has never passed a. full financial audit. Hell yeah.

[laughter]. >> So, it's only been going on since 2018. So, no big deal, guys. It's only eight. years. >> Yeah, that's only a few trillion. dollars. >> Whatever. Whatever. It's fake money. anyway. They just make it. Uh, that's. pretty crazy. >> Well, the budget is interesting in the. military. So, they go off a fiscal year. from October 1st. And look at this. Hold. up. Look at this statistic. The. Pentagon's own audit materials have. pointed to a target of around 2028.

financial year to achieve to finally. achieve a clean departmentwide audit. contingent on fixing long-standing. accounting and systems problems. Imagine. if like the the IRS calls you up and. says, "Andy, uh, you didn't pass your. audit. You I think I can get it in 2028. I'm on a lower trajectory towards this. target you want to be at. You want me. like this? I'm like this. I can get. there in about 2 years. >> Yeah, they're like reasonable. >> Let's just take all your money between. now and then. >> Oh god. No, we don't need to do that.

Let's give you a bigger budget to work. with. >> I wonder if that uh answer takes into. account what's going on currently in the. world because I feel like we're running. through some inventory that might have. to be tabulated. >> Seems like there's probably a lot of uh. ordinance that's been a lot of it does. sit around for a while. So, there is an. argument to expending it. I am not in. any way, shape, or form. >> It could go bad. It's like tomatoes. You. got to eat them. >> Not exactly like tomatoes. [laughter]. I suppose a grenade is slightly. [laughter] tomato shaped, but.

a J dam looks nothing like a tomato. >> What do they do? What I mean, just I. don't know if this has ever happened. What What do they do if whe whether it's. missiles or any weapons have been. sitting around too long and you. is there an expiration date? >> There probably is. And uh I mean I've. been there when we have literally burned. like rifle ammunition, large stockpiles. of rifle ammunition. >> Really? Yeah. >> Because if it's sitting around too long, there comes the possibility that it's no. longer effective.

>> Uh man, this was a while ago. I think it. was more that once we got issued it, we. were expected to expend it all. So we. were not allowed to take it back to base. with us. So we were. >> Oh, that's hilarious. Oh, >> that's even dumber. >> You want You want some funny stories? Talk to Evan sometime. I bet you he's. had this experience. So, there's a uh a. weapon called the Carl Gustaf that if. you shoot too many of these things, it's. in the manual, it'll start separating. the lining in your lungs from your body. because you're just it is just this. massive.

projectile and you'll go out and do. these training evolutions and they'll. say, "Yeah, here we are. The Carl G, do. not stand behind this bad boy when it. goes off.". >> So, how many can you shoot before it. separates the linings of your lungs? I. believe the warning is somewhere around. six. >> Jesus Christ. >> Oh, Joe, you'll go out to training. evolutions and there'll be five guys and. there's a pallet of ammunition and. they'll say, "You're not leaving here. until all these are shot.". >> Oh my god. >> And you're you're cracking off Carl G's. until you have a nose bleed. Or you'll.

go out there, they have like law rockets. or uh you know uh when I first went. through was M60 ammo. They're like, "Yeah, but you guys the training is not. over until you guys shoot all this.". Like, "Yeah, but we totally did. everything we're supposed to." Yeah, we. understand that. But just go ahead and. lay down on the line and shoot these. thousands of rounds of ammunition at. whatever you want to because it's been. issued to you. So now you need to go. expend it. >> Can you show me one of those things. going off, Jamie? >> Carl G's. I want to see what what it. looks like.

>> I'm trying to talk my wife into naming. our next dog Carl G. [sighs]. >> I shot a 50 caliber once and I was like. >> like a Barrett. >> Yeah. I was like, >> how'd that feel? >> Boom. [laughter] Like your whole body. just goes boom. >> Yeah. So, this is a twoman evolution. here. Look at the size of that bad boy. >> [ __ ]. >> Close it. Lock it. He's checking the. back blast. This guy's like, "Fuck, I'm. about to lose my teeth.". >> Here we go. Oh, did you shoot it? >> Yeah. >> Oh, I didn't see it.

>> It's supposed to be essentially. recoilless. It doesn't feel. >> Why didn't they show it? >> They did. >> Will it show it again? >> That's That's the uh back blast right. there. >> Oh, yeah. So, he doesn't even move. >> Yeah. >> Oh, when he was pulling the trigger, that wasn't loaded. That was a fake shot. of him showing how you pull the trigger. >> Oh, okay. We'll see if there's more. video. I just want a better shot of it. actually going off in his arms. >> Let me see what it looks like. >> Ready for fire. >> Here we go. >> Back area clear. >> Well, he looks [ __ ] nervous. Yeah.

Look at him breathing. >> Firing. Firing. Firing. [laughter]. Oo. >> Oh my goodness. >> Oh yeah. Air burst. You can set these. suckers. You can twist the uh the. warhead to set a delay on the thing. You. can have it air burst. Like if they're. trying to play hide-and-seek with you on. a wall. >> See, this is the argument for those. little robot dogs. Cuz you put one on. one of them little robot dogs and have. that thing shoot it. And that way you. don't have to lose the lining of your. lungs. >> I don't know if a robot dog could handle. that thing. >> Really? What about one of them big robot.

dogs? I [laughter] don't know if the. answer is just make it bigger. Probably. I'm sure there's the size of robot dog. that can handle that. >> I mean, you would imagine. I mean, >> but then you would need a a friendly. other robot dog to reload it for him, >> right? But that would be possible. That. would totally be possible. Or the robot. dog has like arms in the back. >> Yeah, >> that can do it. >> Oh, that was a training round. >> Nice little rifle barrel. Yeah. >> Oh, that's crazy. That's cool to see. What a great shot. Imagine standing. there taking that shot, though. [ __ ] all.

that [laughter]. >> as a dude's loading around into it. All. that reach the camera for that one. >> Yeah. Good lord. Yeah. >> No. Next time you're sitting down with. Evan, ask him like, "Hey, did you ever. >> at the end of Training Evolutions ever. have extra ordinance and ammunition that. you had to uh dispose of?". >> That's crazy. They just make you blow it. up. >> Yeah. His answer will be yes. Then he'll. just start laughing. >> So, if you have to do it outside of. shooting, how do you do it? >> You can blow stuff in place. Like you.

can make a large pile of stuff and you. know layer. >> something at it. >> Uh probably on fire. >> You can actually light ammunition on. fire. It'll go off. And if outside. >> what direction? >> Well, outside of it being compressed in. the chamber of a gun, which you know, if. you if you uh think of like an AR. platform rifle, when the round is in the. magazine, it gets pushed forward by the. bolt and it's being held by all sides. except for down the barrel. So all of. the pressure is pointed in that. direction, which is what propels the. bullet down the barrel. If you remove. that, it kind of just explodes in place.

I'm not saying it's safe to like stand. around and like have a beer while you're. watch like from me to you, >> right? >> We would be on the other side of a burn, but it sounds like popcorn going off. >> Oh, okay. >> And then for other stuff, you can layer. explosive charges on top of it and. probably get all of it to go high. >> God, it seems insanely wasteful. It. seems like you should be able to say, "We achieved what we needed to achieve. in our training. Here is our excess. ordinance that we could use in the. future.". >> Mhm. Yeah. you just haven't spent enough. time around the military.

>> Uh well, that's [laughter] been. explained to me about budgets that if. you do not meet your budget, you get in. trouble because then they can't ask for. the same amount of money next year. >> So, I heard that every year that when I. was in and September was a fantastic. month to be in the military because. that's when they because the budget year. is October 1 to October 1. So September, the bean counters really start taking a. look at what they have left. >> And they'd say, I was a supply rep for a. short period of time, meaning I was I. was a little cog in the wheel of. supplying stuff to the guys. They're.

like, "You need to spend $100,000 in the. next three hours on shoes, [laughter]. which let me tell you, REI is happy to. take your money. REI.com will run that. card." And I and you always would hear. this, >> if we don't spend it, we're going to. lose it. But I never actually saw that. tested. I don't know if you actually. would get in trouble. They just always assumed that you would. So you ran that sucker down to bankrupt. and then October 1st you're good to go. >> Wow.

>> So here's a good question in terms of. like shoes. >> When your missions involve a bunch of. different types of terrain, bunch of. different like is it do they favor a. lighter weight shoe that's more of an. all-purpose shoe? Because like I. couldn't imagine you would be wearing. like like a crispy mountain boot with. like high leather. Yeah, >> it Well, so it depends. >> You vary. >> You got to have a wardrobe, Joe. >> Right. >> Being good at your job is second only to. looking good while doing your job. So we.

trust me, I've sent people back to Hel. like your top and bottom are matching. We're not doing this. Go change. >> Really? >> Yeah. You have to look the part. It's. equal to your professionalism and. tactical ability. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. Maybe perhaps I was a little bit. picky on that, but I don't I don't want. to clash on the battlefield. You need to. look good. So like you can't have everybody looking. awesome and then what like you look like. [ __ ] Go change your outfit out. >> Yeah, you have orange boots on, dude. What are you doing? >> Yeah. Uh the boots you could I mean you. take uh a Pelican case or a box, you.

have a tool for every job. So if you're. going to go up in the mountains, if. you're going to go like northeastern. Afghanistan, you're going to wear a. different type of shoe for sure. If. you're in Iraq in an urban environment, you're gonna wear probably the lightest. weight. Um, like the I forget who makes. them, but like the speed cross shoes. Uh, and those things are I mean that you. might get two months out of those. So, you'd bring a couple pair. You're going. to bring some uh footwear that if you. needed to go into the water, like not. swim around in the water, but pass. through water or. >> those like Solomon's is that Solomon.

Specross or Yeah. And the soles on those. things, they don't last very long. But. again, when you get 100 grand to buy. shoes for 3 hours, you can buy, you. know, extras for people. So, you kind of. have a it's just like all the rest of. the gear. You have cold weather gear, you have desert gear. And the coldest. I've ever been is actually in the desert. because of the super high high and then. the super that swing. >> was way colder than like in mountainous. terrain. >> like the moon. >> Yeah. But I mean, so you when you lay. out your stuff like before every. deployment you get ready to go on, you're laying your stuff out. You.

probably have two tables like this with. all like desert, woodland, cold weather, layering system, shoes, different uh loadbearing. equipment, different back and then you. just lay it all out, put it into a bag, and then you're doing the best you can. Then you're kind of just packing, you. know, for what comes up in front of you. >> And you're just ordering stuff from REI. for real. >> sometimes. Yeah. >> Wow. >> So, not everybody, not not everywhere. The conventional teams are very limited. in their ability to do that. At a JSOK. level, you have a little bit more room. and flexibility to source from outside.

vendors. >> So, you would go for the best possible. tool for the job. >> 100% of the time. >> Yeah. >> Y. >> instead of just get military issue. >> Correct. >> Yeah. >> I got the dumbest question for you about. this [laughter] is the dumbest question. Um, have you heard of the story of the. Kandahar giant? Are we talking about an actual giant? >> Uhhuh. >> No. >> How did you hear the [clears throat].

story about a candard giant? >> There's a crazy thing called the. internet. [laughter]. >> How did you have that? >> I may spend less time on the internet. than you guys. [laughter]. >> And if you have a good algorithm, and by. good, I mean [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Uh you get So, >> oh my visual representation, obviously. not an actual picture. Yes. So, there. was a story that uh what is the guy's. name that was on Jesse Michael's podcast. recently? Tim, >> I don't remember. I'll check.

>> Uh so, supposedly. there was a giant that engaged US troops. in Kandahar, Afghanistan, and uh in a. very remote area. And this guy was shot. and killed and medevaced out of there or. you know helicoptered out of there and. uh there 12 foot giant Tim uh Alberino. >> and he was is was he telling this story. as if he was there or he heard this? >> There's never a guy who was there.

stories. There's apparently one guy who. has his face covered up in one of these. videos that I watched is like one of the. blurry like you know like a a witness to. a mob scene. Yep. >> And so his. >> that's how you know they're legit. [laughter]. >> 100%. Thank you. I think the same way. That's why I sent it to all my friends. Um, but he was telling the story from. people that he talked to that were. there. >> See, and here's the thing. I want. stories like that to be true. >> Me, too. >> I still am just waiting. Same thing with. aliens. God, I so deeply want it to be. true. I just need somebody to hold up an.

actual piece of evidence. >> and say, "This is what I'm talking. about." Instead of, "I saw I know. somebody who was read into. I had a. buddy who got engaged by a giant or they. like, okay, where is it? >> Right. >> And until then, I I got a real hard time. believing that. >> Oh, I'm with you. But I also want to. believe, which I know clouds my vision. >> I just think it makes you hopeful. >> It gets me to a certain point and then.

the po like there's a point where my. logic kicks in and I'm not willing to go. any further and that's Bigfoot. >> Yeah. with Bigfoot. I'm like, I know too. many guys that are in the woods all the. time. >> And let's not forget the game cameras. they often leave behind. >> That's right. >> Like millions of game cameras. Come on. >> At this point, like I could have bought. it in the 1960s. Like maybe, who knows? Before drones, before satellites, before. this, before that. And you know, there's. good arguments that you wouldn't find. the body because like you and I have.

hunted in the mountains many, many. times. I've never seen a mountain line. skeleton. Have you? >> No. >> No. >> No. >> I don't know anybody who has. I've seen. mountain lions. I've never seen a. mountain lion skeleton. I've never seen. a bear skeleton. I'm sure people have. found them. >> Yeah. >> But I haven't. And we know there's a. [ __ ] ton of mountain lions and a [ __ ]. ton of bears. So, if there was a very. small population of primates, it's not. inconceivable that you wouldn't find. their body, especially if they were in.

some way advanced to the point where. they were burying, they're dead, which. is, you know, it's [clears throat] not. outside the realm of possibility. If. they have a language of like, who knows. what these things are. Uh, but no, I. just that doesn't I think it used to be. real and I think there's real evidence. of that. >> I want it to be. >> No, there's real evidence. There's a. thing called gigantopithecus. It was a uh 8 foot plus tall bipeedal. homminid that existed in Asia and it's. in the orangutang family and there's. like uh recreations of what it looks.

like standing next to a human. It's huge. but that just makes sense. I mean there. used to be giant woolly mammoths. There. used to be giant sloths. The the idea of. a giant primate is not inconceivable. It's like size is all relative anyway. our idea of what's big compared to a. [ __ ] giraffe or this it's all it. doesn't you know if you have enough. resources and there's enough food for. these things they live in a lush. tropical environment or a lush. wilderness environment it's not. impossible to think that something would. get way bigger than a gorilla but for.

that thing to exist today so that oh god. >> yeah that's what it used to look like. >> so I think that is probably what all. these. ancient myths are based on that's. probably what used to exist. So it was. bipedal which is also interesting and. that's based on its jaw structure. [snorts]. >> Here's a question for you that you uh. the species burying themselves. These. are intrusive thoughts that I have and. can't get out of my head. >> Why don't we bury people vertically to.

save space? >> That's a good question. >> Wouldn't you get more square footage? A. >> lot more. >> Yeah. >> Be harder to make a six foot tall hole. or you know for a tall person. >> I feel like they make oil drills that. could I mean I'm not saying that they do. now. Yeah, >> but back in the day it'd be easier to. someone's laid down just roll them over. into the hole. >> I mean, >> but because a 6ft deep hole that's like. 6 ft long. >> Joe, I'm not saying it's easy. I'm just. saying. >> in today's world, yeah, >> I think we can evolve. >> Well, here's even weirder. You know, you.

have to imbalm people before you cremate. them. >> Why? >> Exactly. My friend Joey Diaz says it's a. racket because he knew a guy who ran a. funeral home. >> The big inbalming market. Well, it's all. a racket. The whole funeral home thing. is a racket. They know, look, your. family member dies. You have to bury. your family member. You're in grief. And. then they try to sell you on some. [ __ ] fancy coffin. They sell you on. this and sell you on that. But the. imbalming is it's mandatory. >> I did not know.

>> at least for some places cuz I know that. some people are trying to do what they. call natural burials and I don't know. what the regulations are on like let's. find that out. Well, I'm already there. are upright they called upright burials. It is a thing. >> They do exist. >> in the US though or is this some like. Nordic country? >> There's a cemetery that does it already. and I was trying to look up more. information on it. >> Probably a bunch of cheapies who don't. >> already that I can give. >> I'm just thinking about like most of. them have fences so like maximum square. footage utilization. >> Right. That makes sense. >> Yeah. >> The gravity's an issue a little bit.

Keeping it in the I don't know. There's. just stuff. >> Gravity's an issue. >> Gravity's not going to be an issue. First off, once you're in that coffin, nothing good's happening. So vertically. or horses. [laughter] Oh, >> how does it that doesn't make sense. What kind of gravity is he just drop. them in the hole? >> I think the family. >> be like this like like slide it down in. that hole. >> I think they're saying the family. doesn't like the idea that they're going. to be compressed into a small amount in. the bottom of the coffin. >> Not like a science issue. I think. >> Well, they're [ __ ] dead. You know, you know, the the most gnarly way they. bury people or the most gnarly funeral.

>> Well, they're still alive. >> No. Well, they're dead. >> Well, I'm saying that would be the most. gnarly, right? Most gnarly postmortem is. the Tibetan sky funeral. Do you know how. they do that? >> No. [laughter]. Vultures. They literally break the body. up, chop it up into chunks, and the. vultures know it, and so they prepare. So the vultures are all hanging around. waiting. Wow. >> It is a a tradition in Tibet with at. least certain people to get rid of their. bodies that way. And the idea is that.

look, the person's dead. this is a more. natural way, you know, and they'll cycle. back into the ecosystem the way it's. supposed to be with all animals. We're. the only animal that opts out of like re. rejoining with all biological life. because it's supposed to be a biological. body deteriorates underground that feeds. the soil that feeds you know whatever. animals feast on its bones and then. becomes all part of this big beautiful.

cycle. And we're like, nah, we've got. some chemicals laying around we'd like. to fill the veins up with to make them. completely poison so that they never. deteriorate or they just slowly turn. into gelatinous sludge. >> by state it looks like. >> Okay, [cough] so it [clears throat] says. burial burial burial. Why is that word. weird to me right now? Burial is uh. regulated by state by state uh city. county zoning. There's no federal rule. that specifies body position, horizontal.

versus vertical. Um, what are the laws in terms of. imbalming? Green or natural burial, simple shroud, no vault, minimal disturbance is legal. in all 50 states, but only in locations. that comply with state and local rules. >> Green or natural burial. >> from water sources would be a big reason. for that. >> Oh, interesting. So, you don't want. people to rot. But what about cows? Cows. can rot, you know, like a dead coyote. just rots.

>> Yeah, but we don't want [snorts] to eat. people. >> Yeah, but it's. >> drink them either, >> I guess. Well, it didn't No, I was. watching this uh documentary about this. family where uh the kid, his dad was a. serial killer, and the dad would throw. people in a well, and he had to help him. when he was young. His dad would kill. people and then throw them down the. well. First time he did it, he said, I. think he was a young boy when his dad. first took him to get rid of a body and. throw it down a well.

>> Not all Yeah. How many people. >> bonding experiences are created equal? >> How many people have died drinking well. water that was polluted by a dead body? >> Hopefully not that many. >> What' you find, Jamie? >> No, I'm just That's disgusting. [laughter]. >> Have you thought through your end of. life? Have [clears throat] Do you have. uh Have you told people? >> I would like to not be embalmed. I would. like to just be buried in the ground and. be absorbed naturally like everything. else. >> Do you have that written down anywhere. though? >> No, I don't care. Once I'm gone, figure. it out or I don't give a [ __ ]. >> Well, there's an argument to help.

figuring it out for those left behind so. it makes it easier. >> I don't want to make things easier when. I'm gone. I want you I [laughter] want. it to be complicated as [ __ ] I want. them to be arguing over my will. [laughter]. Well, I I only asked because we had to. think through this stuff because you do. like a review of your will every time. and you know final requests I guess it. would be. So you had to think through. that stuff. >> Jamie, top scroll. >> Uh so for direct cremation, no public. viewing, cremation within a few days. Body kept refrigerated. Inbalming is. generally unnecessary and not legally.

required in most states. But the thing. is it's it's most of the time it's done. according to my friend Joey whose friend. at least it was in the past whose friend. ran a a funeral home. The guy was. telling him what a [ __ ] scam it all. is. >> It's just you're just charging people. for all this stuff. >> It probably it's just like anything. else. >> Here it is. Many funeral homes require. inbalming for presentation and public. health reasons if you want a public. viewing or an open casket uh before.

cremation. Oh, who does that? >> Some jurisdictions or airlines may. require inbalming for long distance or. international transport. >> or if there's a long delay before. commission. Well, that makes sense. >> cuz if you don't inbalm it, you're going. to stink up the whole [ __ ] plane. US. law jet I I mean, I'm sure you've. smelled dead bodies before, but the. first time I ever smelled a dead body, I. was a little kid and someone died in our. apartment building. It was crazy. You'd.

walk down the hallway and the [ __ ]. smell that was it was me and my cousins. and my sister. We were walking down the. hallway like what is that? We were. probably like six. It was this insane. smell and it turned out this lady was. just living by herself died and so she. was just rotting in this apartment. building. >> You think you still recognize it to this. day? >> It's very unique. >> Is it? Humans are very unique smell as. opposed to a regular animal. Well, the. the mechanism of death can change, I.

guess, a little bit. >> Sure. >> But in general, Yeah. a couple days. later, like they all kind of smell the. same. >> I've heard Yeah. I've heard humans are. uniquely gross in the way we smell. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's not awesome. >> Yeah. >> Not awesome to be around him. >> This episode is brought to you by Better. Help. A lot of people hit stretches. where money gets tight. And it's not. just the bills. It's the constant. pressure, the mental load, the second. guessing of every decision. And. honestly, one of the biggest difference.

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That's betterhp.com/jre. So this inbombing thing, um, so is that. not the case? Like is it where funeral. homes request inbombing before they. cremate you? Also, here's another scam. According to. my friend, when you think you get your. family member ashes, you you get a bunch.

of [ __ ] You get a bunch of ashes. You. get ashes from some [ __ ] [ __ ] guy. you don't even know. They don't care. They just shove a bunch of ashes into an. urn. and you're like, "It's grandma. She's she's here with us forever." But. it's not really. It's like. >> I hope that one's not true. That's. gnarly. >> Yeah, it's true. >> It's like the epitome of laziness. >> I'm pretty sure it's true. >> The question as though if the. requirement was coming from funeral. homes instead of law and that court. says, "Yeah, >> most of the time, yes, the requirement. to inbomb before viewing or before. cremation is coming from funeral homes.

or cemetery policy." Right. So, they're. trying to make more money. So, this is. what Joey was telling me about. Yeah. So, it's not a federal requirement. FTC. says inbalming may be necessary if you. choose certain arrangements like a. public viewing, but the necessity is. based on the funeral home standards, not. a blanket legal mandate. So, the most. people probably don't know that. So, the. funeral home will tell you, "Oh, we have. to inbomb them first.". >> And you're in a pretty uh susceptible. and malleable mind space. >> Exactly. That time. Yeah.

>> And they're just really used to it. They're really used to it. They must get. they must get so accustomed to just they. don't give a [ __ ] There's bodies there. every day. People are always dying. They. just it's an opportunity to make more. money which is rough. >> Yeah. You would like to think that. humanity wouldn't be like that but yet. here we are. >> Yeah. Find out if uh well the other. thing is like you remember that Sam. Kenisonson bit? I don't know if you you. ever saw it. >> I know who Sam Kenisonson is. I'm not. very familiar with his bits. one of the.

greatest of all time. But he had this. bit about homosexual necriliacs who were. caught spending uh paying uh a bunch of. money to be alone with the freshest male. corpse. >> What? >> And it was this [laughter] it was an. actual true story that he read in the. news. But his whole thing was like, imagine you're on the slab. You're like, well, I'm dead now. I'm going to be with. Jesus. And hey, hey, what? And he would. be like rocking back and forth on his. stomach. WHAT IS THIS? IT FEELS LIKE. SOME GUY'S GOT HIS DICK IN MY ASS. YOU.

MEAN LIFE KEEPS [ __ ] YOU IN THE ASS. EVEN AFTER YOU'RE DEAD? IT NEVER ENDS. IT NEVER ENDS. [screaming]. You comedians are a unique bunch. Let's, you know, >> I'm glad you just got to do it. >> I'm glad there's somebody out there who. can weave a story like that together and. have a meaningful message at the. [laughter] end of it. >> But there are there have been cases of. people getting like hot girls that are. freshly dead and [ __ ] them, getting. caught. Yeah, because humans are. horrible. The vast m I I try to tell. myself that the vast majority of humans.

are trying to do the best that they can. But I never forget that there are people. out there who are like that. >> Sure. Yeah. There's people out there. that are gross. They're they're just. evil. I I was reading about this guy who. is an oncologist who got arrested. because he was giving people. chemotherapy that didn't really have. cancer because chemotherapy is uniquely. profitable for doctors. Yeah. >> It's very profitable. So he was telling. people that they had cancer and they did. not and he was giving them chemotherapy.

which I have a friend who died recently. and uh he went through the first round. of chemotherapy went into remission and. uh the chemotherapy was so bad that when. the cancer came back he decided to just. die. >> That's how my mom died. She had survived. cervical cancer. It metastasized into. her lungs 10 years later. got on the. chemo, which I don't know what is in. that stuff, but they, you know, the. platinum treatment, whatever it may be, and had the realization that she was.

either going to die from cancer or she. was going to die from the chemotherapy, and she chose hospice just because the. ride on the chemotherapy was so horrible. that she couldn't take it anymore. >> My friend said that the pain of brushing. his teeth was so intense, like the sores. in his mouth from the chemo, and that. once cancer went into remission and then. it came back. And by the way, this. cancer came very quickly after. vaccination. It was one of those where,

you know, you can get into that all day. long if you want to really get into a. deep conspiracy theory that's got some. real facts to it. But there's something. called SV40. and they found SV40 and some of the mRNA. vaccines. SV40 is Simeon virus 40 and. it's a virus that was contracted that. people got because they used kidney. cells from monkeys in order to uh. cultivate these vaccines.

This is like known about for a long. time. And um in certain batches they've. tested positive for SV40, which is like. some just legacy material that they have. that they make vaccines out of. And uh. he was one of the lucky ones. >> Sucks, man. >> A young dude, you know, he's in his 40s, early 40s, fit, young guy. Cancer came. on like a [ __ ] tidal wave. >> Just a freight train mowed him down. How. much time did he have between diagnosis.

and death? >> Well, I got him connected with uh Gary. Brea and Gary Brea helped him quite a. bit and that's how he uh originally got. through it and it got over it. He was. okay again and you know went into. remission. and he said he's feeling. pretty good and then man wasn't more. than a year and a half two years later. it came back with a vengeance. and um he was dead just you know six six. months later it change how you view life.

your own life when that happens close to. you. >> it's just shocking that healthy fit. people get something like that so and it. happens so quickly you know this is I. you know like I said my suspicions is. it's connected to the vaccine. >> and uh don't I don't think that. everybody who got that mRNA vaccine is. going to die of cancer. That's I I think. it's a contamination issue that some of. the batches had it and some of the.

batches didn't. But and then some people. react very differently to whatever. whatever's in it. But with him, man, it. got him. And it's not uncommon. There's. there's a shitload of ignored cases of. what they're calling turbo cancer that. people have gotten after the mRNA. vaccine. Like it's it's barely a. conspiracy theory. It's more likely an. ignored inconvenient fact that these. pharmaceutical drug companies are trying. to ignore. Do you think they were trying.

going upstream from that the. pharmaceutical companies or people that. were pushing to try to find what perhaps. they thought would be the fix to the. solution? Do you think that they were. doing the best that they could and just. their enthusiasm outstripped their. capabilities or they pushed stuff a. little bit too early or was it as deep. of as a conspiracy that people think and. that behind the scenes they're trying to. reduce overall global population? >> I don't go that way. I don't go to the. reduce overall global population, but I. do understand why people would think. that because there are there have been a.

bunch of people that are supposedly. philanthropists, Bill Gates that have. talked about reducing overall population. being a goal and that goal could being. like Bill Gates is actually quoted. saying that that goal could be achieved. through vaccines like like what the [ __ ]. does that mean? Reducing global. population through vaccines. How? Well, one way is the what is it? DDP or DTP. vaccine. diptheria something and percussus.

Um, so they were caught in Africa. One. of the vaccines that they were using on. women in Africa uh turned out it's. tetanus, right? diptheria, tetanus and. percussus. had hCG in it which is uh an endocrine. disruptor. I don't know what's the exact. specific description of it, but it what. it's essentially doing was rendering. these women infertile. And so they were.

supposedly. um vaccinating them for tetanus and. these other diseases, but really what it. was doing was they were making these. women infertile and they were. experimenting on them. And they were. doing this in Africa. you know, they. they like to experiment in places where. not a lot of people are watching and. there's not a lot of infrastructure and. not a lot of internet connection and. they can you know get away with trying.

stuff on people. So this this concept of. reducing population through vaccination. there's some realw world examples of. people doing that but you know why I. don't know I don't think that I think if. you find out about how much money was. generated during the the vaccine. pandemic during the COVID pandemic. >> Yeah. >> That is the most likely scenario. They. were just trying to make an enormous. amount of money. [snorts]. >> Do you remember that you and I did the. first podcast after the lockdown in LA?

Yeah. [laughter]. >> And then I drove I drove with my wife. down to San Diego and I don't think she. had been because we got to San Diego in. about 17 minutes. [laughter] There's. >> no one on the road. >> And I remember saying to her, "If we. come back, which we will, don't expect. this." It was like a ghost town. But we. we were in LA the day that it locked. down. I remember texting you like, "Um, are we good?" You're like, "Yeah, YouTube says we're essential. Let's. roll. [laughter]. We're essential." Yeah, >> that was what was crazy. There was.

essential businesses that were allowed. to stay open. Restaurants weren't one of. them, [ __ ] insanely enough, but fast. food places were. Um, so there was. certain places that were essential and. media was essential, so we were allowed. to. Although we did get ratted out, the. health department came to our um LA. studio and uh they made us put a bag of. masks on the wall when you go in and. also a note that shows like all the. precautions that you have to take place. like stand 6 feet apart. And then they. people were also complaining that this.

table's not 6 feet wide and so we. weren't observing the proper proper. social distancing. So I said, "Okay, well why don't we just do this and you. do that and we'll do a pocket.". >> Oh yeah, we're six feet right here. >> Now we're six feet. No, we're good. [laughter] here. It's like it's it and. then it turns out that that was all made. up. It was all horseshit. You know, it's the who song. We won't. get fooled again. You know, >> I want to believe that they were trying. to do the best that they could. >> I don't believe that. >> I said I want to believe. >> Yeah. I don't I don't even want to. believe that. >> But then what do we do about it?

>> We never listen again. We never. >> What if they're right the next time? Is. >> I don't think they will be. Um, I don't. think they're ever right with that kind. of stuff, especially something that's. not killing everybody as they said it. was. They were just gaslighting us all. over television that people are dropping. like flies and especially egregiously. disgusting is gaslighting us about. children dying from it. >> Yeah. >> You know, and there's a lot of really. [ __ ] shitty human beings that were. posting about this on Twitter. And I.

don't know if they are being paid to do. it or if they're just ideologically. captured, but there was a lot of people. on Twitter talking about children dying. from COVID. It's a [ __ ] dirty lie. There was a very small amount of kids. that died during the pandemic and those. kids, all of them had something wrong. with them already. All of them had. co-orbidities, which is like also a. giant percentage of all the people that. died period. It's like what is the.

number? It's like 75% of them something. like that had four plus coorbidities. >> Four coorbidities is crazy. Yeah. >> It's like you're already [ __ ] That's. means four things that are already. killing you, you know. >> Yeah. Do you think we learned anything. during that time period? >> Yeah. I think we learned that the. pharmaceutical drug company has a lock. on the media that is very disturbing. Like the media did not report at all. vaccine injuries. They didn't report of. it at all. It was never discussed.

People were dropping dead. They were. ignoring it and gaslighting. And then we. also found out the amount of money that. these pharmaceutical drug companies pay. to these corporations, whether it's Fox. or NBC or CBS or whoever it is in. advertising. It's a huge part of their. budget is advertising money. And the way. Cali means explained it to me, he goes, "It's not so that people find out about. the drugs, it's so that these news.

stations don't criticize the. pharmaceutical drug companies.". >> Well, if they control the ad inventory. and then the the checkbook behind that. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Do you ever do you ever do uh. pharmaceutical type type reads for your. show? >> No. No. I say no to them. >> I only say yes to dick pills. [laughter]. >> Dick pills I'll say yes to. like get. hard. >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. I'm down with. that. Well, see, I'm not. anti-farmaceutical [snorts]. drug company, but I am that the problem. with corporations is they have an.

obligation to their shareholders to make. the most amount of money possible. >> And it's not the people that are making. these things that the people that are. making them, these doctors and engineers. and scientists, all these wizards that. are coming up with all these life-saving. medications. Then you get the money. people. And the money people are the. ones that [ __ ] everything up. Because. the money people say, "You know what? We. could charge $1,000 a pill for this. stuff." You know, there's certain. medications that literally cost $1,000 a. pill, you know, and they just try to. make the most amount of money possible.

and prescribe it to the most amount of. people possible. And then you get. monsters like this cancer doctor that I. was telling you that was giving. chemotherapy to people that don't. [ __ ] have cancer. >> So, how do we break that system, though? >> Hammers. Take that guy in a room. [laughter] Take that guy in a room. just. keep him alive. Slowly break him down. with a hammer. Start with his toes. >> But I feel like. >> work your way up to his hips. >> I feel like it's so deeply entrenched. in our political system as part of it as. well too that the money transfer. How do.

you break that? >> It's hard. >> and detach that. >> AI god. AI god has to come alive. Take. over the system. >> Now we're really getting into terrain. I. don't understand. [laughter]. I know what the word AI means. I don't. know what. >> AI god. The one that created that Jesus. meme that Trump just posted. That's AI. God. Joe, I told you. He explained. [laughter] it. He was a doctor. >> That's what they call them. That's what. AI god calls Jesus. Jesus [sighs] is a. doctor. >> The mental gymnastics. involved in some of these people who are.

so ideologically captured. >> Yeah. >> Is shocking to me. >> It's weird. It's weird because there's. no way there should be this kind of. money in politics. There's no way it'd. be good for anybody if the people with. all the money are controlling most of. the things that happen. It doesn't make. any sense because they're just they're. all sick anyway. They just want more. If. you're worth $200 billion and you're. still trying to make more money, that's. what you're trying to do with your time. Well, you're sick. There's something. wrong with you. There's like what are. you doing with that money? How is it. possible that you could spend all that.

money? >> Isn't the answer for some people or the. the dollar figure that they're shooting. for just more though? >> Always. my friend. Well, you know Brian. Ken, Brian Kalen uh has a friend who's. worth $3 billion and he feels poor. because his friend is worth 80 billion. >> Imagine that. Imagine feeling insecure. >> You have $3,000 million. You feel insecure. You feel poor. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Because he's eating ramen at night. Let. me just tell you. Bothersome. >> Yeah. Mac and cheese and ramen out of. the microwave.

>> I feel poor when I'm around Elon. >> Yeah. Yeah, but um. >> jokingly. >> but also everybody on earth probably. does. >> But it's jokingly feel poor. Like I. don't really feel bad for myself or. insecure about the fact that he's got a. >> What does he got? >> He's getting close to a trillion. >> He's like worth 800 billion on paper. >> Yeah. >> Until California taxes get a hold of. him. They'd like to suck all that dry. and give it to the homeless people. >> Well, they're doing good. Their program. would work if we gave them a little bit. more money. >> That's all they need. They just need.

that wealth tax. If they could just. siphon off some money from the. billionaires. That's the real problem is. they don't have enough money. >> Are you glad you left? >> [ __ ] yeah. [ __ ] yeah. >> You've been here what? >> Six years. >> Six years. Yeah. >> Almost six years. >> I've been in Montana from nine. >> Nice. >> I can't think of a reason that I'm going. to leave. >> I really can't. It is amazing. >> Well, Montana's got so much going on for. it. First of all, there's less people, which is relaxing. You feel better. >> 1.1 million people in the state. >> That's all of Austin.

>> That's probably a subdivision. in. Austin. >> Well, it's Austin is a million and then. the surrounding area is another million. >> We just had a f a net decrease in. population in Montana last year. You're. right. >> Yeah, because all those [ __ ] people. that came over because of Yellowstone, they went through a couple of winters. >> and co they're like, "Yeah, this sucks. We're out." Or that remote work job was. like, "Hey, time to come back to the old. office.". >> Also, you try driving an electric car. when it's [ __ ] 30 below zero outside. That [ __ ] is, "Oh, it says you got 200. miles. Guess what? You got 30.

>> There is one cyber truck where I live. [laughter]. >> It's not mine. >> I bet it's a rich guy. >> He owns a Thai food restaurant. >> There you go. >> Which I mean, I don't know what level of. wealth associated with that. >> Probably got some money. >> Yeah. Honestly, it might be money. laundering. There's what he specializes. in. It's hard to say. So, might have a. nail salon or two under his umbrella as. well. >> They're great when it's warm out. Yeah. >> But they the battery life significantly. Do you remember I think it was Chicago. or Detroit? There was a few years back. there was a giant blizzard that hit and.

people with electric cars their cars. died on the highway. >> and they were really [ __ ] Yeah. Really [ __ ] cuz. >> look if you have full tank of gas and. you're idling just idling on the highway. last pretty long time especially if it's. diesel. Jeez. >> Oh, you'll get 24 hours out of it. >> 100%. Yeah. So, you'll survive. If you. have a [ __ ] electric car and you get. stuck on the highway and it's just. bumper to bumper forever and that thing. is the only thing keeping you warm, you.

better pray that someone lets you in. their car. >> Yep. >> Cuz you're going to die out there. You'll freeze to death in your own. [ __ ] car. >> I like the concept of them. You know, >> I drove one today there. It's a time. machine. I have a Tesla Model S. The the. the. >> highly Don't you have like a highly. modified one though as well? >> Oh, yeah. I was going to say it might. say Model S on the outside, but. >> yeah. >> Well, [laughter] the speed is the same. as the standard one. The speed is. exactly the same cuz they don't do. anything to the engine because it. already has,00 horsepower. >> Do they like widen yours some?

>> It's the track is widened. It's got a a. much more robust suspension setup. It's. got carbon fiber fenders. There's a. company called Unplugged Performance and. they take it and they just it just. handles phenomenally and the brakes are. way better. So, it does that. But the. the thing about it is the speed. That's. just insane. Like when you merge onto a. highway, it's a time machine. You just. hit the gas like and it's no sound. So. it's. and all a sudden you're going 90 miles.

an hour like like that. It's nuts. >> We're into different things, Joe. I'm. going to stick with my F150. >> I like those, too. I have one of those. I have a Raptor. >> I have a Hennessy Raptor. >> I don't have that model. [laughter]. >> Yeah. So, I like a Raptor, but I like. one with a 1000 horsepower. >> First off, who doesn't? [laughter]. >> I just don't like the price tag. associated with the 1000 horsepower one. >> It's a little pricey, but I was on the. phone the other day cuz, you know, it's. got the speaker phone thing. So, I'm on. the phone with my friend Tommy and I'm.

driving. He goes, "Yo, what the [ __ ] are. you driving?". >> A dinosaur. >> You could hear the. >> and the the the supercharger wine. It's. awesome. But I get it. It's not for. everybody, but if you drive one, just. the ability of those things, just the. the insane capability, the ability to go. 0 to 60 in under two seconds is just. nuts. >> Yeah. >> For a four-door sedan, >> you know how to drive though. >> Some people probably are better off not. getting into a car that can do that.

>> Well, that's what's weird, right? So, like if you want like say if you want to. get a concealed carry license, you have. to go to a range and you have to. demonstrate that you know how to use a. gun correctly. >> Are you talking about here in Texas? >> Yeah, in Texas. >> because Montana is a constitutional. carry state. >> Well, it's constitutional carry here as. well, but still concealed carry, you get. reciprocity. >> So, if you have concealed carry, you get. reciprocity in Florida, Nevada. Uh, so. if you get a concealed carry license in. Texas, you can go to places where, you.

know, they're only maybe they don't even. have concealed, they don't have. constitutional carry, but they recognize. Texas concealed carry. >> because of the additional training, per. se. >> Exactly. But the point is like you have. to show that you know how to use it. You. can go buy a Corvette and you don't have. to show anything, >> which is crazy. >> Well, you have to show a likelihood that. you're able to pay for it. >> That's it. That's it. So you can get. like a Corvette ZR1 which is also,100. horsepower and [ __ ] bonkers a bonkers.

fast insanely engineered car. You don't. have to show that you know how to drive. at all. >> Yeah. >> You just have to driver's license so you. can drive. >> right into the nearest telephone pole. [laughter]. >> sideways. I mean there's plenty of plenty of. videos of that. A friend, my friend. Whitney sent me a video of a street. takeover in Los Angeles uh this Saturday. night where they took over some street. and gunshots and people just they stop. they cut off the entire street so no one. can go anywhere. People surround these.

cars and the cars drive around in. circles and then someone started. shooting at people. >> Awesome. What a classic pairing. >> Yeah. Good times. It's good to have. rules. >> Yeah. Yeah. They're not doing that in. Montana. >> Exactly. [laughter] Exactly. You have to. have an enormous amount of people in. order for things to get that chaotic. with a very small percentage of humans. >> Were there cops there for that or they. just didn't want to get in the mix? >> They didn't show up until after, you. know, the the cops showed up when, you.

know, people would start shooting and. they got there. >> Yeah. That's generally when they're. going to respond. >> and they're getting security cameras. But the thing is in Los Angeles, they. don't [ __ ] put you in jail for. anything. They let you right out. There's no cash bail. They're letting. people out for all kinds of crimes. Yeah. >> I was listening to a podcast where a guy. was a former gang member and he was. saying he's leaving Los Angeles because. they're letting 70,000 people out of. prison. >> It's like it's going to get too. dangerous. [laughter]. >> So, it was too dangerous for the gang. member. There's the answers to some. tests right there. Maybe pay attention.

>> Yeah. [sighs] You want You got to wonder. like what are they trying to do with. California where everything seems to go. in the wrong direction? Like if you if. you look at the vaccine thing like do. you think they're really trying to lower. population? Is that what they're trying. to do? like kill off a percent. What are. they trying to do with California? Are. they really trying to destroy the state? Because if I was trying to destroy a. state, that's how I would do it. Let. everybody out of jail. I'd regulate the. [ __ ] out of everything so nothing get. done. You know, >> you can't buy these in California.

>> Why? >> These are Alps because they're flavored. This is wintergreen. Shout out to Tucker. Carlson. This is his brand. I like. these. These are very delicious. Oh, by. the way, I I showed these to Daniel. Cormier. He goes, "Where'd you get. those?" And I and I I go, "In Texas, you. could buy them." He goes, "You know, you. can't buy them in California." And he. goes, "I get them." And I bring them. around. All these dads like like I'm a. dealer. Like, "Where'd you get that?". Cuz they won't let you have flavored. nicotine pouches. It's illegal in.

California. >> It's for your safety. >> They're trying to turn you into just a. little baby that needs everything from. the government. Everything. Everything. We were at that launch party. Somehow I. got an invitation to be there. So we go. to Tennessee. Tucker is stands on a. chair and talks about Alp, you know how. >> stood on a chair. >> Yeah. Because it was just like it was in. Dave Ramsey's barn. And again, like I'm. so far not in the social circle of this. And so we listen. >> I think he should have sat on someone's. shoulders. That would have been even. better. >> He's pretty big. So you would needed.

somebody who like has squatted once or. twice in their life. [laughter]. So we listened to him talk and they had. a little like on the other room was a. huge fireplace was just this like a. shakuderie table about this size. So I'm. getting some cheese and then I turn. around I'm like hello Mel Gibson and I. just [ __ ] went and sat in the corner. I was so uncomfortable in that. environment. >> cuz Mel was there. >> Mel there was a lot of people there. I. just you know you sat down and talked. with him. You you exist in a different. orbit than I do. I exist in an orbit of. 1.1 million total people that I don't.

see every day. >> in the state. in the state. So like I. interact with the people I want to. I. was not prepared to have a cheese stick. and turn around and see the dude from. Lethal Weapons standing there [laughter]. like, "Hi, [snorts] I got to get out of. here.". >> By the way, if you talk to him, he's he. is one of the most normal, easy to talk. to movie stars you will ever meet. He. has no airs about him. He's very easy to. talk to. >> I just don't do good in social. situations like that where like. everybody was relatively recognizable. I. just I could sit in the corner and I. hang out with my wife and we eat.

shakuerie. >> I get it. I get it. I don't like those. things either, believe it or not. >> It's Well, I have I have been Do you. remember the event you did at. performance archery in San Diego? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> I I didn't realize. uh I watched you trying to make your way. to the bathroom and it took you about 30. minutes to go 20 ft. And I don't know. how you deal with that. I don't that's I. mean one I know you well enough outside.

of that like you're a genuinely nice. person and you will give people the time. like because you're appreciative right. of the fact that they want to meet you. like I totally get that but also. sometimes you have to piss. >> Yeah. >> I mean I don't know how any of those. people or maybe you don't operate in. like in a sense in air quotes of. normaly. >> It's not normal but the way I think of. it is like. they just like me. It's way better than. if they hated me. Way better than if you. go into the bathroom and everybody wants. to kick your ass. Like they I'm going to.

the bathroom, they just want to say hi. And for them, it's a very unique moment. So I try to reset every time I see a new. person. And I try to treat them as if. it's like this is a comp for them, it's. a unique experience they get to meet and. and never believe that it I am unique, you know. Don't believe the hype and. don't think you are special, but always. appreciate the fact that someone else. does. And so take the time to say hi. And.

>> I can't The UFC's are hard because I. can't like sometimes. >> I'm going through the crowd and I I have. to like sometimes I I'll leave my. commentary seat and then I have to take. a piss and then I have to run back and. then everybody's trying to get a picture. while you're you know like you're. literally going through a crowd of. people. >> You're talking about in between bounces. >> Yeah. Yeah. And so like I I high five. people but they're like a picture and I. I [laughter] can't I can't I can't I. can't stop because if I stop then. they'll all swarm and I I just I can't. do that. I have to keep moving. So I. have I that bothers me that I have to.

say I can't stop. Even when I'm leaving. the venue they're like I can't I can't I. have to keep moving. I'm sorry. I. appreciate you but I can't stop because. if I stop I'll never get out of here. >> I've been to one of those and uh we were. at UFC 300. >> That was a good one. >> Uh it was Your seat was good. You had a. good seat. I watched the fight from the. back of a projection onto one of the the. things up in one of the the. >> Well, you didn't get tickets for me. >> I'm never gonna ask you for tickets, by. the way. >> Well, just [ __ ] let me know when you.

want to go. >> Well, no, actually, I don't want to go. because. >> Okay. >> I missed listening to you guys talk. >> I didn't realize. >> So, we were sitting there and like I. heard Gachi get flatlined before we saw. it and I'm like, "Holy cow." You want to. talk about not let the punch but the. reaction to that, >> right? >> Oh my god. >> Insane. >> But there was so many people and we were. there with like Joo and Origin and and. there had some people that were down. there low. But we ended up Lee and I. ended up watching from like the back so. we got to see it. But we both said the.

same thing. It's way better on the couch. or I want a pair of headsets like this. so I can lift because now. >> like let me be honest. Before I started. training jiu-jitsu, I was like you. [ __ ] stand them up right now. [laughter] Those guys are just those. >> But well, now as a jiu-jitsu black belt, aren't you embarrassed by your. >> own? You don't let that guy earn that. position. [clears throat] You don't ever. get them off the cage and you never get. them off the ground. >> I I'm with you. I I've been preaching. that from the beginning of the [ __ ].

>> I would have been the dude with like the. redneck guzzler quarts light half. covered in it like I can stand up cuz. like And now I'm like no no no. >> never. >> especially when they're sweaty. Oh my. god. Like if that guy's dominating him, you stay right there. >> Exactly. It's so hard to get someone to. the ground. And it's so hard to hold. them down if they're good. >> The experience though from. >> Not good. >> I am going to say this. >> I would rather pay for the Paramont than. listen or for the pay-per-view than the. current Paramount experience. Sorry. Dana, but the commercials suck. >> Yeah, I'm not a fan of commercials.

That's why I like YouTube Premium. I. don't want commercials. Yeah, >> I'll pay I'll pay for the pay-per-view. >> They should offer Paramount Premium like. where you get no commercials. like you. should get a different experience for. the. >> there's been some streaming issues as. well too and I think and I know they. yeah it's there's well it could also be. I mean. >> Montana internet. >> listen we have electricity we have. running water we I've actually seen. solar panels up in Montana they don't. work great for nine months out of the. year but. >> you get the starlink. >> that's the [ __ ].

>> I was actually one of the first people. to get it in Montana and it works. fantastic. >> I I I have the little one that's like a. book. >> yeah it's amazing. >> it's [ __ ] great take it we I took it. to Utah. We were we were streaming like. stuff while we were in the the cabins. It was awesome. >> It's kind of life-changing. >> Oh, it's great. >> And then sometimes I need. >> FaceTime with people, >> but then other times like I'm going to. leave that in the truck because. otherwise maybe I'm just going to enjoy. where I'm at. >> That's true. But you know the thing. about elk hunting is you're so tired by. the end of the day that you're not going. to sit there looking at your phone.

anyway. But it's nice to be able to. FaceTime home and say hi to people and. >> for sure. But I do like the fact that. when you're out there in the woods, it. doesn't work at all. >> Yeah. Yeah. That is uh God, I hate hunting. sometimes. Like last year. >> Did you strike out last year? >> Oh no. Even worse. Wounded an elk. >> Oh no. >> I tell I think I actually. >> Oh yes. with a rifle, too. >> Well, I tell people that I am the Navy. Seal sniper with the most confirmed. misses [laughter] cuz I can just smash.

that trigger back. Close your eyes, hold. your breath, let it gray out a little. bit, and then really just jerk it. H, that's the worst feeling when you know. you could have done it so much better if. you just had taken a little bit more. time. >> It would have been hard for me to do it. worse, Joe. If I'm being honest, [laughter]. >> people, how could you possibly miss? Because I'm a idiot sometimes and I'm. just God. As I was pulling on the. trigger, I was watching it just drift. back towards the beginning of the guts. And instead of just stopping, just gave. a little bit more and then [snorts].

never saw the thing. Looked for it for. two and a half days. Is there a worse feeling in the world. than wounding an animal? >> No, there's there's not. And it's also. like a miss like that. You have to wait. a year to get another chance. You have a. whole another year to sit about and. think about that miss before you get. back to hunting again. >> This year, I think I might be able to go. back to archery because although they. call jiu-jitsu the gentle art, I get. banged up sometimes. >> Oh, bro. >> I was I was rifle hunting that year. I.

was training with a 15-year-old young. man at the end of a day of training with. some savage black belts. Totally. And. you know how when you say when you first. start like, "Hey, you need to relax.". Well, I also found that you can relax. too much. I was laying on my side, let. him work on an arm bar. >> Got a hold of my arm. I was going to. work on an escape. And. >> as my arm was coming up over my head, I. heard my shoulder cavitate. >> It was like a and of course on my. drawing arm for my bow. And we were a.

couple months away from hunting season. Felt it go. Partial terror of the pec. Completely black and blue. It was. [groaning]. >> the gentle art. >> There's nothing gentle about jiu-jitsu. Yeah. >> It's ridiculous to call it that. I don't. know who what psychopath called it the. gentle art. I was I've been hurt more. time. Everybody I know that's done. jiu-jitsu as long as I have has like. either artificial discs in their back. [laughter] and neck or has had multiple. knee surgeries. That's me. I've had. three. or has had torn shoulders where. they had to get reconstructed or blown.

out elbows. >> Yeah. >> Do you still train? >> No, I haven't in a while. I want to. though. >> Yeah. I. >> I did a little bit of training about a. year ago with Gabe Tuttle and I was. getting back into it, but I still. struggle with this one knee. I have one. knee that keeps [ __ ] up on me, man. [snorts]. >> For you it would be very hard to find. the appropriate training partner. >> Yes. >> Like you're never going to a group class. again and getting in there at open mat. People would come for your head because. they're [ __ ]. >> Yeah. But I always did. That's what I. always did. I never I always trained. I. I didn't.

>> just like only train with like one guy. that like stuck with all the time. I. always went to classes. >> Yeah. >> Cuz I think that's the only way to. really be good. I don't think there's a. real way to. train with one person that's like taking. it easy on you and really achieve a high. level. I think you have to go in there. with people that are going to tap you. and you have to go in there with people. that are trying to tap you, you know, and you know, if you're good and if. you're strong, you can avoid a lot of. [ __ ] but you know, you get in there.

with some [ __ ] 25year-old wrestler. who weighs 210 lbs and a bit like a. superhero [laughter]. >> who moves at a speed that your joints. and ligaments can't move at. >> Yeah. Just like I can't keep up. You're. on my back. I can't keep up with this. This is and and if I do keep up, I'm. going to blow something out. >> Since I found it at 41, I don't think we. should teach it to anybody under 30. because it deeply offends me when. children come out of the children's. class and they've been training like six. times longer than I I'm like, what?

>> It like their movement patterns were. developed on the mat. I'm like I we're. not we're using the same alphabet, but. we are not putting together the same. words. >> Well, I knew that from striking because. I knew that from kicking. I was like, I. started martial arts before my body had. matured. And my body matured, becoming. very flexible and very fast. And so as I. got thicker, I maintained that speed and. everything. But I was like, I don't know. if you could ever get as good as I got. If you didn't start when I started, I.

don't know if it's possible. And I. didn't start jiu-jitsu till I was 30. And when I started doing jiu-jitsu, I. remember thinking, "God, I wish I did. this when I was a kid.". >> Yep. Cuz I see some kids where their. [ __ ] scrambles and their transitions. like built into their neurons where. they're just like everything is so fast. and so kinetic and they're just moving. and flowing like [ __ ] I could have. started in like 97, but the few people. who were doing it were so enthusiastic. it n just nauseated me. [laughter].

>> Like it's like veganism. Like they turn. they make you want to eat meat. >> Come roll with us. I'm like I don't know. what you guys are doing. It's very. questionably gay at best from the. [laughter] outside. >> I don't like how much you like it. because you like it that much. I'm out. And then I look back, I'm like, h. >> I started in 96. >> Yeah. >> Not me. I guess I think uh yeah, it was 95 or. 96. It was right after UFC 2 came out on.

video. So UFC 2 was 93 was the UFC. I. found out about UFC in like I didn't. find out about it in 93. I found out. about a year later and it wasn't. available. Not UFC 1 was not available. on VHS. I had to get UFC 2. And I found. out about it from somebody at the. kickboxing gym that I was going to. He. was like, "You got to see this." And I. was like, "What is this?" I was like, "Oh my god, they did it." Because there. was always this thing when I was a. martial artist when I was young, like. what's better, judo, karate? And no one.

knew. And then there was like the. JeanClaude Vanam Kumate movies where you. you meet and all the styles come. together and you find out what's best. But when I first saw UFC 2, I was like, "Oh my god, they did it." And then I was. like, "Oh my god, I don't know that. This one guy's killing everybody.". >> A lot of people that were saying that in. those single digit ones. >> Oh my god. >> So then what number UFC did you first. commentate at? >> UFC 12. >> Damn, dude. That's a pretty quick Well, they probably were doing less frequently. as well, but that's a pretty quick flash. of bang. Yeah.

>> Seen it on a VHS. >> That was 97. So by 97 I guess I was 30. >> Yeah, I guess I was 30 somewhere around. there. So that was the first UFC that. and I was already training at that time. I was training at Carlson Gracies with. uh Vtor Belelffort. That was uh Vtor. Belelffort was there. Marilla Bamante. was there. Like like it was amazing. Just stumbled upon that place. I. actually went to Hixon's first, but I I.

was so ignorant. I thought Carlson, Gracie, Hicks, and Gracie. I thought it. was the same. And [laughter] Hixon was. further away. Yeah. >> And Carlson's was closer. I was like, "Oh, I found a closer Gracie jiu-jitsu. I'll go here." And then it was also at. the time where Extreme Fighting was out, which was John Peretti, who was one of. the commentators for the early UFC, was. now doing this, and it was really good. like Mario Sperry was fighting, Igor. Zenovv, and these guys, a lot of these. guys were from Carlson Gracies. So, I. saw the Carlson Gracie, the two Bulldog.

logos, which is [ __ ] dope. And then I. found out that it was on Hawthorne. Street in LA, which is like really close. to the Comedy Store. I was like, "Oh, this is perfect." Cuz I was living in. North Hollywood. I would just drive. there. It was much closer. Yeah, >> it was much closer. But I just I got. there at literally the perfect time. because it was right before Vtor was. making his UFC debut, which was UFC 12, which I commentated at. So I was. literally training at the same school as. VTO. So I knew what to expect. I'm like, these guys don't know what the [ __ ] this.

guy's doing. Like this is this cuz. everybody thought he was just jiu-jitsu. guy. Yeah. And meanwhile, he had. lightning hands. And you know, it was a. slimmer veto. He was only like 200 lb. back then. Just moved like a [ __ ]. panther. And I got to see this sport. just sort of emerging where really it. was becoming something completely. different. Like at first it was just a. bunch of people that didn't know. anything and you know there was or they. didn't know anything about mixed martial. arts. They either know judo or they know. karate and then there was hoist and.

hoist is just tapping everybody and. everybody's like oh my god jiu-jitsu is. the way. And then when I went to. Carlson's I was like jiu-jitsu is kind. of the way but look at this guy. Like. you got to take that guy to the ground. and that guy's hands are like a [ __ ]. professional boxers. This is crazy. >> Yeah, jiu-jitsu is awesome. It's not. complete. >> No, >> you can have a nice black belt and end. up in an ambulance if you can't get. through a striking range. >> Well, not only that, there's a lot of. guys that were really reliant upon the. ghee back then, unfortunately. Because.

this is all you got to realize, this is. all before Abu Dhabi, right? So, this is. uh before Abu Dhabi Combat Club came. out, which was an amazing organization. that paid real money to grapplers to. compete, but made them compete without a. ghee, >> which was like for a lot of guys, they. didn't know what to do. They're so used. to grabbing sleeves and grabbing collars. and grabbing pants. And the one guy who. had figured it out was my eventual. instructor, Jeanjac Machado. Because. Jeanjacqu was born with essentially one.

hand. His left hand is just a thumb. He. just has a thumb. He had a birth defect. >> And because of that, his game was all. over hooks and under hooks and gable. grips, which was he wasn't relying on. collars and all this other stuff. So his. game was very different. He just. dominated in Abu Dhabi. And that opened. up the door to Eddie Bravo. So Eddie. Bravo, he learned a lot of his. techniques from John Jacques as well. And a lot of his style was based around.

John Chuck's principles, which is don't. rely on the ghee because you don't. always have the ghee. It's a good tool. to use if you have it. If you're. fighting a guy who's got a winter coat. on, it's awesome. Like the last thing. you want to do is fight a judo guy if. you're wearing a winter coat. [laughter]. >> So not optimal for how your head's going. to feel when it hits the concrete. >> Yeah. And you ain't going to be able to. do [ __ ] to stop that. >> I I asked you early on. I think we had. linked up when I was it was actually it. was right at the beginning of co I was a. white belt and I asked you how you train. and manage uh grip stuff and you gave me.

a piece of advice that I still have I. still utilize and you said whether you. have a ghee on or don't have a ghee on. just focus on taking no gee grips. I was. like son of a [ __ ]. >> Yeah, that's what I always did. Yeah. >> The only ghee technique that I really. love is the clock choke. You know, when. you get a a a deep grip on the collar. and you funnel [snorts] that left arm. underneath and spin. Oh my god, that's. instant death. That clock choke is so. nasty. >> The cross collar. >> That's great, too. >> It's available for more areas.

>> Oh, for sure. >> Just pop that head right off. Just. >> cross collar is nasty. There's a lot of. great great gee techniques that are. super effective if someone's wearing. clothes. I mean, you you'd be amazed at. how how durable t-shirts are. You know, you could really choke the [ __ ] out of. someone with a t-shirt on. >> Henner has a video where he'll get the. first hand in. He's got him in closed. guard. He reaches over and he grabs the. bottom of the shirt, pulls it all the. way up, and then wraps that around his.

>> Oh, yeah. >> It's got to feel like a gar. >> Yeah. Just horrible. Yeah. Horrible. >> And especially if they're wearing like a. strong shirt, like a flannel shirt or. something like that. something you can. really grab. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But but that was John Jock's. style. His style was use no ghee grips. even with the ghee. So for me it made me. concentrate more on defense because you. couldn't pull out of things as easily. Yeah. >> But I never felt lost going into no gee. So I would go back and forth all the.

time. So you know I got my black belt. from Eddie first but I got my black belt. from Jean Jacques right after that. because I was training at both places. That was also a beautiful thing about. Eddie being Jeanj student and them. having a very close relationship there. It never felt like you were a trader. that you left schools because I never. really left schools. I trained at both. places. I always trained at John Jocks. and I always trained at Eddies. >> You weren't a crunch. >> Is that what they call it? Yeah, I think. so. >> Yeah. So, it was it was that was very. nice that they had that amazing.

relationship where there was no static. at all. It was like I would go to Sean. Jacques. I'd go train there a couple. days a week. I trained at Eddy's a. couple days a week. It was awesome. >> Yeah. If I had a time machine and if my. younger self would listen to me, which I. don't think I would, I would say two. things. One, buy Bitcoin, obviously. [laughter]. >> And two, maybe get into JSU a little bit. earlier. >> Yeah. >> But I think you what you did was pretty. impressive because you you got through. it very quickly. Like I remember you. first started training and you know you. got a black belt in like what four.

years, five years? >> Five and a half. >> That's amazing. That's quick. Well, I. think it depends on how you view the. time. So, I think the standard 10-year. uh window is usually somebody who trains. about an hour a day or two hours a day. twice a week. >> I had the ability where I was living, I. could train 10 times a week. >> for as long as I want to, right? So, the. math still maths at the end of the day, >> right? But that's still very hard on the. body at 40 years old. It's very hard on. the body. >> Vitamin, also known as ibuprofen, comes.

into the training model. >> That shit's terrible for you. >> Yeah. But it makes you feel better. [laughter]. >> It's so bad for you though. So bad for. your gut. >> I will say this one thing about my. previous job is it teaches you how to. learn. It rewards it rewards your. ability to. >> um. >> be coachable. >> Be coach Well, and people ask me, you. know, how do you how are you how can you. be a good student just in general? Like. listen, how about this? Do what your. instructor says and nothing more. >> Right? >> If they say put your hand here and you. ask them, do you mean always put it. there? And they say yes, just put your.

hand there. >> Yeah. >> If you want to. And you know people. there's the internet's an amazing thing. right and there's a bunch of ability to. go out and look for techniques and stuff. but I can't think of anything more. disrespectful to a coach to be told. something and then you are offering them. something that you saw on Instagram. while they're trying to teach you like. that's how that relationship is going to. end up breaking. If you really want to. accelerate your learning focus and honor. your coach actually focus on what they. are trying to tell you to do only that. and no more until you have that mastered. and then you can move on top of that. >> Absolutely. That's great advice. Yeah.

You have to just listen. You have to. listen and never question. And then if. you unless you have a bad coach, then. just get a good coach. That's the. solution to that. >> Which in this era, you have choices. The. era that you were starting in, there. weren't as many choices, >> right? Yeah. Well, I realized that when. I went to Jean Jacques's place that. there's levels in teaching and you know, obviously Hixon's school was very high. level and Carlson's was too, but. Carlson's went under pretty quickly. They weren't around that long. But then.

when I went to Jean Jacques, I was like, "Okay, this is a completely different. level." Like Jean Jacques is so. detailoriented. I was also very lucky. that I started doing taekwond do when I. was a child. So that I always listened. >> Yeah. >> You know, I and the the the the. traditional martial arts environment the. there's no room for questioning. They. don't allow any qu and I was also very. lucky that the school that I started at. was one of the best schools in the. world. I just got lucky. I found this. this Jhon Taekwondo Jon Kim Taekwondo.

Institute in Boston just happened to. have multiple national champions like. really elite competitors and so I never. questioned I always did and I I never. did anything halfassed I always did it. exactly that's how you develop the right. technique. >> you have to how you accelerate learning. too I mean because again people ask me. about my old job like well how do you. >> how do you guys do all this stuff that. you do well you learn it to pieces at a. time. And honestly, it's the mastery of. fundamentals.

>> Even at that, it. >> I I think what I determined the most. when my coach gave me my black belt was. that I don't know a goddamn thing. >> about jiu-jitsu. And I can't keep up. with all the flashy sporty stuff, but. the better fundamentals get, the better. you can tolerate a lot of that stuff. It. just the the mastery of the fundamentals. is just so essential. >> Well, some of the elite guys of all time. never did any of the flashy stuff, like. Hixon. Hixon was just the fundamentals. honed to a razor sharp edge. Yeah. >> You don't see Hixon doing some stuff.

you're like, "Oh, I've never seen that. before." It's all triangles, arm bars, rear naked choke, and just done to. perfection. >> Done in a way that black belts can't. stop it. >> No. I've heard stories of him lining. black belts up, telling them what he is. going to catch them with. >> Yep. >> And then having like 10 of them watch. him catch everybody before them with the. same thing. and them having absolutely. no ability to stop it. Y. >> that's what I'm talking about. >> Yeah. Well, that's Gordon Ryan, too. Gordon Ryan, one of the things that. Gordon did, I was there when he did it.

One of the times he did it, he did it. multiple times. He would write down on a. piece of paper how he was going to. submit his opponent and seal it in an. envelope. And before the match started, he would walk over to the commentators. and say, "Open this when it's over.". And then, you know, you would see him. catch somebody in a triangle and then he. would open up the envelope and it showed. a triangle. And he had multiple. opportunities to catch someone in. different things. He's like, "No, no, no.". >> See, I could do that, too. But, it would. be what I'm going to get caught with.

Here's the most [laughter] likely thing. that I'm going to mess up and get caught. with. >> Well, that's the thing about starting. when you're 40 versus starting when. you're 12 or whatever it is. It's like. you're only going you're only going to. be able to get to a certain height, you. know. >> Well, also I recognize that I'm an. aggressive hobbyist. I have no I've. competed twice only because my wife was. coaching at tournaments and I was like, "Well, I'll go spend time with you." So, here we are. I think uh once when I was. a white belt and once when I was a. purple belt. Like that's it. I don't. care about the competition. Shockingly. enough, I'm not looking to have a.

violent confrontation with anyone ever. Totally. Totally have filled my cup up. with that one. probably has spilled over. a little bit from time to time. Like I. just do it because I really like the. community. I like the fact you can't. master it. So you can keep your brain. young with your body young or young as. young as possible. And uh yeah, it's. just fun. It's really it's so addictive. which is to me was the problem with. injuries was that I would always find. I'd go I'll work around it and I'd just. go in with injuries and then they get a.

aggravated to the point where you know I. remember one time my fingers were. getting numb [laughter] because my neck. was so [ __ ] up that my fingers were. numb and then I'm like okay I got to do. something. >> Was this from you head and arm choking. people? It. >> was a lot of that. >> Yep. I remember you telling me your. affinities. You're like you really got. to just drive your head. You got to use. your neck. >> and also not tapping. Not not tapping to. certain neck cranks and different things. that [ __ ] your neck up. >> Neck cranks are very real. >> Yeah. I also didn't work my neck enough.

back then. I didn't have an iron neck. That machine. Oh yeah. I [ __ ] love that thing. >> Is it forward and back and turn or all. those? >> Yeah. So it's a halo. You sit it on your. chest. You pump it up like the Reebok. pump and then the chin strap. You. tighten that [ __ ] down and you can. adjust the tension that is required to. spin it. And it has this giant bungee. cord on it. And so the bungee cord is. like 50 lbs of resistance. So you back. up with the bungee cord till it's like. fully taut [laughter] and then you go. like this.

I I swear by that thing. >> All right. >> It keeps your neck strong as [ __ ] And I. don't have any neck problems anymore. And I had a lot of [ __ ] neck. problems. So the thing that saved me. though was Regenicine which is like this. PRP plateletri plasma to the next level. that this this treatment that a lot of. guys were having to go to Germany to get. in the in the early days they would go. like I remember Kobe Bryant went to. Germany I think Payton Manning went a. bunch of guys had to go to Germany to.

get this treatment and it's like they. take your blood and through some process. I forget exactly how they do it and. makes this fluid ID that is like this. radically inflammation fighting fluid. and um they injected it into my neck and. it cured my bulging discs and all my. numbness went away and I got to start. training again once I got back. But. again, I didn't have a [ __ ] iron neck. back then. If I had that machine back. then, I think I could have avoided a lot. of the problems.

>> Yeah. Like a lot of the problems that. people have with lower backs, I firmly. believe it's a lack of building tissue. and strength and mobility around your. lower back. And I do a lot of lower back. exercises, too. I do a lot of rotation. exercises and a lot of like reverse. hypers like that machine. >> That machine's awesome. >> Oh, that's I do that today. That [ __ ]. keeps your back so strong and healthy. and it decompresses at the same time. that it strengthens. And you know, so.

many guys just go into the class. They. just that's their workout. Their only. workout is training. And those guys are. always hurt. They're always getting. hurt. I think strength training and. mobility training is essential if you. want to have longevity in jiu-jitsu. I. really think that. >> I would agree. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. For the first couple years, it was. a workout in and of itself. And I. finally have started. I think I'm done. with uh barbells just because I've never. seen a linear object equally loaded in. real life outside of a gym. So. >> there's some things with barbells. though, like Olympic style stuff like.

cleans very. >> you can zer though. Zerers are only. available with a barbell. I think zer. are very very important. >> I think that's a big one. >> I'm willing to. >> Jefferson squats. There's there's a. bunch of different things, but zer in. particular are really good for. grappling. >> Yeah. you know, because you've got that. barbell that you're holding inside the. crook of your elbow. >> Could you use a sandbag? >> You could. Yeah, you definitely could.

Yeah, there's lot I I love um uh goblet. squats. >> Yeah, >> goblet squats are phenomenal for that. >> They'll tear you up for Especially on a. slant board, you know, when you're. holding like a 90 lb kettle bell and. you're doing those deep squats where. it's knees over toes on a slant board. and your whole core is just so activated. when you're [groaning]. I think that's phenomenal for for just. strength and stability. But I I agree. I think kettle bells are. the best. I think it's the best also. because you're there's so many different.

things you can do with them in terms of. there's rotational exercises I do where. I like pick it down on this side and I. swing and clean it and I press it on. that side, let it swing down and and I. do like those things where you lie on. your back with your, you know, on your. with your butt with your legs up in the. air and you do those twists where you. take the kettle bell and bring it each. side. >> You can absolutely demolish yourself. with a single kettle bell. >> Yeah. which is kind of awesome. Especially like where I live too, traveling with the truck, like okay,

>> put one of these bad boys in there. >> All the excuses are gone. >> I had a bowling bag that I would carry a. 50 lb kettle bell with me on the road. I. just put it in a bowling bag cuz it fits. in a bowling ball bag. >> All right, people are going to look at. you a little awkwardly, but I'm here for. it. >> But if you have a 50 lb weight limit, if. you check in luggage, [laughter]. >> like there you go. >> Whatever works for you. Yeah, >> I appreciate the enthusiasm for working. out on the roads. >> Well, back then the thing was you would. never find them in a gym and now they're.

in most gyms. >> It's tough not to find them now in a. gym. Yeah. Hotel gyms is like why do you. have a 1.5 kilo kettle bell? Like is. this for children? Like what the [ __ ]. >> The little micro ones like Okay. >> Some people like to pretend they're. working out. >> sometimes. That's me. Just go through. the motions. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're good for wrists, too. Wrist curls. You know, you take a kettle. bell and you uh like reverse it or you. have it this way and you do these like. put your forearms on a bench. Oh yeah. >> And you hold the handle in your hands.

and you just let your wrist curls like. because it puts you in this like weird. angle. It really strengthens your. forearms and your wrists. There's so. many things you could do with those. things that things that aren't sexy like. Turkish getups. Phenomenal for you. So. good for stability and core and just. overall body control. Yeah, I need it. now. Crouching towards 50. Still. enjoying Zujitsu. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, you need a little bit. >> Do you definitely need something? You. need some Are you taking any peptides or.

any of that stuff? >> I played around with peptides. Finally, two years ago, I got my endocrine system. checked, my hormones checked. Oh, man. Uh, this is a nice little It was like a a. little gauge that had red zone, yellow, green. Upon first looking at this chart, I assumed that my life was going to end. in about 36 hours. >> What was your number? >> Oh, [ __ ] Two something. >> Oh, Jesus. >> I had never had it checked. >> That's crazy. >> Um, I didn't feel awesome and it but I.

also. there are people who played around with. an immense amount of uh. performance-enhancing materials in my. previous job, which live your life. however you want to. Just understand. maybe the long-term tale on the. consequences of the choice you want to. make, >> right? Um, I had wanted to avoid that. for as long as possible because as you. know, once you kind of go on that train, it's a lifelong journey. >> Yeah. >> But once I finally saw that that piece. of paper, I'm like, "Oh boy." I'd say. >> I bet you could attribute that to the. volume of your training. That's also. part of the problem is if you're.

training 10 times a week, you're. probably in a constant state of. overtraining. >> Oh, for sure. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That probably for the vast. majority of my life, that's been the. state that I operated in if I'm being. honest. I mean, the answer was always. just more. Like, if you want to get. better, do more, right? You want to be. stronger, go harder. Go harder and do. more. I'm like, okay. It took me about. So, I've been I started taking uh TRT. about two years ago. I am just now. finally slowly dialing it into where I. feel a difference. Recovery is better, but also I I mean, I try to set.

realistic expectations for who I am of. what I'm trying to do. Like, I'm just I. want to have the healthiest lifespan. that I can. >> Yes. I'd rather live to 80 and be doing. awesome stuff to 80 than live to 90 and. spend the last 10 years eating jell-o in. a nursing home. >> Right? So that's what I'm going for. >> You could do as long as you're smart. with your training and you don't get. like catastrophic injuries, you could be. very physically fit deep deep into your. 60s and 70s, which nuts go. And that's I. mean I don't know. Nobody knows how much.

time we have, you know, and how much how. long your lap is going to be. My goal is. just to fill it up with awesome. experiences between here and whenever. that is. >> here. Here. Just stay out of that. [ __ ] flying squirrel suit, will you? >> You [snorts] know, Cam just said the. same thing to me. And if enough people. keep saying that, I'll put that [ __ ]. thing back on just to piss you guys off. >> Well, [laughter] it's kind of amazing. that you're still here. >> That's You've done that so many times. I. mean, you broke the world record at one. point in time. >> I did. Yes. My egg. That was. >> How many miles was that that you flew?

>> It's like 18.2 two, something like that. >> with a flying squirrel suit. >> To me, it was very reasonable. You know, the things that I do that I think are. reasonable. Oftentimes in my life, people will pull me aside and they'll be. like, "Hey, man, what the fuck?". >> Yeah, that doesn't seem at all. reasonable. >> Well, you're only seeing that one video. I had been skydiving [laughter] for like. 16 years at that point, you know, and. [snorts] you know something like when I. would go over to I remember I'd go over. to Switzerland and I would do a a flight. in the wings suit and get you know. you're like you're playing tag with your.

shadow on a steep clip and I would send. it to you and one day you were like I. just had to throw my phone across the. room watching this because it was giving. you anxiety. So [laughter] then I'm like. clearly I'm sending you more of these. videos for sure, right? Because now I. got the hookie. I threw [laughter] my. phone into a couch. I was like [ __ ]. this. What are you doing, Andy? But that. was like one of many jumps in this like. the months of training leading up to. that. I'm not going to sit here and say. it's safe. I do think you can do it as. safely as possible. And I don't have a. higher risk threshold than other people. do. I I spend an immense amount of time.

at everything that I do looking at the. risk and trying to manage it, analyze. it, mitigate it as much as possible. And. then you look at what's left. To me, that activity provided me enough. enrichment in my life that it was worth. it. I haven't put the suit on in. five or six years, but I swear to God if. I get one more person telling me not to. do it, I'm going to go back and just. start sending you videos again. >> All right. Well, I promise [laughter]. I won't be that guy that tells you that. I promise.

>> But honestly, at this point, again, talking about risk, it's not worth it. I. don't live in a place where I can stay. because your currency in that suit comes. from the skydiving world where you can. jump it multiple times a day. >> In the base jumping world, there's no. altimeter. You're just camera one, camera two. >> at about a buck 20 face first. So yeah, if you misjudge a tree or. >> fun as [ __ ] though while it's happening. >> I don't know how to describe what it. feels like doing 120 m an hour face. first a few feet off the ground probably.

like that the what is it in the Olympics. skeleton? >> How close do you get off the ground? What's the closest? >> Uh probably not intentionally. The. closest was probably somewhere right. around the 3 foot range. >> 120 m an hour. >> Mhm. >> So 3 foot is like one, two, like that. >> Yeah. >> Jesus, dude. >> Yeah. >> That's insane. >> You don't do that for very long. And and. there are and if you do like some of. those jumps in Switzerland, like you. would hike for hours. Uh and there's.

there's this one jump. It's actually one. of the ones I sent you from. You just. it's insane. You're just looking out. into like this picture story book of. like where the Kabool giant or whatever. he was would live, right? Like you just. >> Kandahar, >> Kandahar giant, whichever. >> You think it's real? >> I hope it is real. [laughter]. >> I deeply, it's such a deep part of me. hopes that it's real, but you're looking. out at that. >> as you're zipping up your ridiculous. nylon suit and checking to make sure. everything is there. And then you just. rock forward. And at some point, you. rock to a place where you can't go back. the other direction. and you send it. In.

the first few seconds, because you have. no air speed, the suit doesn't fly. So, you're just falling and then it takes. off and it's just these right-hand turns. and right-hand turns and then and there. are small sections where the angle is. correct and you can kind of connect with. the train and then get away from it and. connect. The people who are able to. survive it are not the ones that are. flying 3 feet off the ground all the. time. It's very very short periods of. time on jumps that they have practiced. many many times and they slowly. incrementally work their way down there.

>> because again mistake in that. environment is you're going to impact an. object head first at 120. >> I remember the video that scared me the. most was a a bridge where the guy was. trying to fly through. You know the. video? >> Yeah, I do. Oh, yeah. There you go. >> Is this Andy? >> Oh, yeah. >> Look at this. >> Oh, I love this little grass field over. here. I think my head turns to the right. cuz there was two dudes up here. I was. looking at them. God, that is beautiful. >> Oh, I'm telling you, it's insane. This. is the field of joy. >> Wow. >> That's the shadow in the lower right, but that's probably I don't know. That's. probably 10 feet off.

>> God, that is [ __ ] pretty. >> Yeah, that has got to be nuts. I mean, there's. not a rod at Disneyland that can [ __ ]. with this. >> Oh, absolutely not. >> Wow. Have you ever done one of those ones. where you strap a jetpack? No, but I like where your head's at. >> Yeah, >> I know exactly what you're talking. about. Um, >> you remember there was a guy that was. like getting in trouble because they. kept finding this guy flying a a a wings. suit. He was flying a jetpack wings suit.

and they were trying to like locate the. guy. He was doing it through [laughter]. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was getting like. they were looking for him because he was. they they kept spotting him. Where was. that, Jamie? Do you remember? We talked. about it on the show once. >> I feel like this is like a combination. of stories. >> No, no, no. Secret jetpack man. >> Yeah, some guy had a jetpack and he was. flying around where he wouldn't wasn't. supposed to be. >> Yeah. So, these guys are in Dubai. unfortunately. Uh. >> Wow, that's nuts. >> I found the guy. This is just a video I. thought might have been him, but it's. not. >> But that one's nuts. That's an actual.

wing suit. Like a plane wing. >> And they got to the place where they. could take this off from standing on the. ground. Joe, >> unfortunately, one of the innovators in. that ended up dying. There's a there is. an altitude and air speed where if you. have an issue, you're not going to be. able to deploy your parachute to save. you. when he had an issue at that. altitude. >> Jeez. >> But yeah, who would have ever. >> That guy is up there with a plane. Show. me that again, please. >> Yeah, >> that is insane. Would you ever do that? >> I don't want to say would I. I mean,

there's a time and a place. >> where I would do a lot of things. >> cuz I would 100% would do that. >> I bet you would. [laughter] Now, is that. does that guy have a engine on that. thing? >> Yeah, there's little micro jet engines. You can see them. How much fuel? >> That's a good question. Like I said, they had gotten to a place where they. could stand. So that wing is is is kind. of conforms around their skydiving. parachute with I think there's four. little jet engines. They got to a place. where they were standing, cracking those. things off and going vertical and then.

transitioning into play. Yes. And then I. think landing them too. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Landing them with the engine somehow. >> I I mean. >> did they rotate? >> Well, I mean they are wearing a. parachute. You know what? I might be. misspeaking on that, but I know that. they were taking off from a no air speed. standing there and just. >> That's nuts. >> Well, that's also like I said, how one. of the innovators died. It was in that. phase, like a low altitude, low air. speed phase where nothing's really going.

to. >> I remember I did morning. What is this? >> Oh, yeah. These are the jetpack racers. >> Oh, yeah. That's crazy. I've seen that, too. >> This is real, by the way. Right. Is it? Cuz it kind of looks fake, but. >> No, those are real for sure. They. actually have there's a league, Jamie, of guys who race these things. >> How do we get them? >> That's a [laughter] good question. Yeah. Add to cart on Amazon for sure. >> How fast do you think these guys are. going with these things? Whoa. And they. can just land. Oh, that's wild. >> Just fly to work, >> bro. You have to have some [ __ ]. shoulder strength to do that.

>> I mean, I love how they're trying to. show like this has Oh, like incredible. military application. Like, let's take. it easy. Okay. >> It's got to be quiet, right? Does. [laughter]. >> super quiet. Is there some support for. your shoulders in there? It's not like. you're doing a constant dip. >> I don't Well, I think that the jetpack, so on his backpack, I believe that's. putting some thrust out, too. The hands. are as well. So, it's the combination of. the three because like how long can you. hold a dip position? >> I don't know. Yeah. So, here's the. league. Look at these crazy. Yeah. The.

backpack itself. Oh, getting fancy. >> Oh, that's crazy. opposite, but the. ground's pushing back up on you on that. situation, [snorts] you know. >> Bummer. >> If you're doing a dip fighting gra. >> I feel like the backpack is doing the. majority of it. Like the Iron Man little. hand things. I feel like that's just the. stabilization. >> Heavy. Oh, so the backpack is doing the. most of it and the other things are just. steering you a little pretty easily. >> I think I have exactly zero seconds in.

one of these things. So this is me. talking out of my ass. >> If there was enough lives, if you had. multiple lives, I would do a lot of. different things. >> That looks so fun. >> It does. >> Jamie, what I'm parachute, right? Where's the parachute? You can't. >> Oh, no. There is no parachute. >> The box, there's no parachute. >> That's why you want to stay 5t off the. ground. >> Look at this. Yeah, >> just flying to the top of this [ __ ]. cliff with that thing. Oh, that's. bonkers. >> For sure. This is like to save people or. something. >> No, it's for fun.

>> I agree with Joe more on that one. >> What What do you think like the How much. time do you get in one of those, too? Run out of fuel. >> I don't know. >> Time enough to fill a motivational video. like this. [laughter]. >> To me, I'd be like, >> Gravity Industries, this is the company. >> I would be reverse engineering like, where is this in my Amazon cart? How do. I possibly make enough money to have. these sent to my house immediately? >> What do you think one of those costs? >> My guess would be six figures. >> So, professional. >> shop. >> entertainment shop.

>> Oh, click on that, [ __ ] Let's go. Suit. up. Suit me up, [ __ ]. >> Hold on. >> Give me my credit card. Let's Let's. guess. Let's guess. >> Ah, God. >> 50 grand. >> 100 grand. >> I'm going to say six figures. So far, >> they fooled us. You sons of [ __ ]. >> Oh, clothes. You can only buy clothes. >> Well, you can't buy the thing on the. website. >> Why can't you buy the [ __ ] thing? >> Let's see. >> Well, how much does the thing cost? Somebody must be able to buy it. >> 2400 lb for an experience.

>> Half a day. >> So, that's just to fly it. >> 1,000 horsepower uh 1050 horsepower. gravity jet suit. >> Wa. So, it's the same horsepower as a. ZR1 Corvette. [laughter]. >> And it's on your back. >> Look at this. Yeah. First off, take that. safety line off. Let's let people live. >> That guy needs a safety line. Look at. his neck. >> Let me. >> like Yeah, let's just let's search the. price. So, you think six figures? I. would probably say that's probably. accurate, especially when I saw it as. a,000 horsepower. >> Here's a better question. Are you.

willing to spend six figures to acquire. one of those? I'm going to go in the. hard yes category for myself. >> I'm not saying I got six figures laying. around. I'm saying I will start a new. career in the Oh, no. That's not a good. face, Jamie. It's not [laughter] uh it's. it is in the six figures, >> but it's not the low. Let's not It's not. the edge of. >> Yeah, roughly. That'd get one. >> $600,000. >> Says $440. >> Whoa. Is that in US dollars? >> It's like uh Yeah. Yes.

>> Depending on configuration and stuff, too. >> Okay. What if you get it like maxed? >> Well, it does. It's not giving me. options. I just kind of searched around. >> I think we're just going to get closer. to the seven figure number if we do. that. >> They probably don't also advertise how. much it costs. Does it say how long you. can stay in the air in that thing? >> How long? >> Let's guess. I want to say 30 minutes. >> Guess under 10. >> Wow. Well, I remember um when I saw I. went on a radio station once and they. had a guy who What is it? >> One minute.

>> One to four minutes. >> One to four. That's it. So, what are. they doing when they're flying up to. that mountain? >> 5 to 10 if you are doing it carefully. >> Well, how the [ __ ] do they get all the. way to the mountain? How do they get. down? We only saw a 5second click. >> Is there a gallon of gas up there at the. top of that [ __ ] mountain? >> I'm way less enthusiastic about this. purchase now. >> Yeah, that sucks. >> Yeah. >> 450 grand for a minute. >> But what makes me enthusiastic is that. they're going to innovate and evolve. this and then one day. >> it'll be nuclear powered. >> Let's not get crazy. >> It'll be Yeah, it'll [laughter] be cold.

fusion. It'll be an Iron Man machine. >> I mean, I feel like we could do better. things with that technology before the. jet suit, but I'm totally in on the. jetuit. >> Well, get an Iron Man suit. Like that's. Iron Man, right? The hands, >> that's how he would fly. >> I mean, that's kind of what they look. like. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Like it would come out of his feet and. it would come out of his hands. >> Um I did a radio station once in Denver. and they had a guy who did a a jetpack. thing in a parking lot. It was like a. morning radio back in the day. And uh.

this guy, I think it could only last for. 30 seconds. And this guy, he had two. knee braces on cuz he had blown out both. of his ACL's just landing and destroying. his knees. But it was crazy to watch. It. was crazy to watch. This guy took off. and he flew around. But it was only for. a few seconds. I think like it's like a. 30 second deal. After 30 seconds, it. runs out of juice. >> I'm glad there are people like that out. there. I appreciate their enthusiasm. >> There's always going to be, right? Yeah. >> There's always going to be someone. >> Very brief description of what it has in. there.

>> A lot of jazz. >> It honestly it is like what you were. talking about. So the hands like the. Iron Man position, so the back has a. majority of the thrust, >> right? >> Yeah. Yeah, >> I bet it heats your ass up. Something. fierce. >> Yeah. Up to 56 mph. Interesting. Jet. fuel, though. I wonder how much faster. you go with jet fuel. >> Well, what does it normally use? Diesel. or jet fuel. >> Or jet fuel. >> Diesel or jet fuel. That's weird. >> They're not that far off. >> Or kerosene. >> But isn't that weird that one engine can. burn those different types of fuel? That. seems unusual. >> That's probably the configuration part.

where. >> Oh, I see. Right. Right. Right. Like if. you want a top of the line one, you get. jet fuel. >> Plaid version. >> Yeah. All right. Let's go get one. >> I want one of those. >> I'll take one. Let's try it. >> Yeah. But is there legitimate military. applications for something like that? >> I can't really think of one. >> Because it showed guys in fatigues that. are landed on an aircraft carrier. >> I could show you videos of guys in. fatigues that end up banging each other. So, it doesn't necessarily [laughter]. mean that. >> Right. So, let's.

>> Is there a military application for. that? >> Let's just say uh that [snorts] would be. far fringe. I'm just saying the fatigues. isn't necessarily the qualifier of it. being, you know, >> right. >> good utilization for the military. >> So, we only briefly touched on this. Kandahar giant story, but were you ever. in Kandahar? >> Yeah, I was down in the south of the. >> How remote is it? >> Um, I mean there's a large city there, town city. I don't know the difference. between the two. It's relatively built.

up as far as southern Afghanistan. It's. going to be, you know, you cobble up. north, Kandahar is a little bit down. south. Cobble in the north, you're going. to start looking at the the exterior. range of the Hindu Kush. Kandahar still. has some topography, but you're looking. at more of like a high desert terrain. >> And so there's caves and things along. those lines. This is the idea that this. thing lived in a cave. >> Yeah. I mean, so yeah, it's it's there. is topography that is there for sure. It. uh possible. I don't know. Well, the. reason why uh people entertain this idea.

of giants at all is all a lot of it's. biblical. It's like stories from the. Bible and then also stories from ancient. civilizations that talked about. red-haired giants, which is the weird. thing about this thing had red hair. Like the Native Americans had tales of. red-haired giants that they fought off. Like there's a lot of people that. believe that all these stories from. antiquity about giants are all referring. to an actual different race of humans,

you know, like we are one race of humans. that's the Homo sapiens that survived. But then there's also races of humans. that didn't survive like um the hobbit. people from the island of Flores that. they found out there was a branch of the. human species that was like 3 feet tall, covered in hair, little tiny heads. Weird, but had tools and had weapons. And I think some of that stuff's real. I. think sometimes though the stories. they're they're intentionally nesting a. greater message through the vehicle of.

that story. Um, so whether it's like accurate or. not, it's more about the story that they. are telling. And I'm not saying like the. Kandahar giant has some story associated. with it, but some of the the older like. the civilizations and the stories that. they tell, I think it's just an a. vehicle that they can nest something in. there to create deeper thought, if that. makes sense. It's what I see you guys. doing as comedians. Um, I've talked. about this recently. Um, it is.

interesting to me and I never paid. attention to it, but I know he's a good. friend of yours, Dave Chappelle. I. launched his last special. >> The ability for comedians to nest inside. of your set pretty impactful and. powerful like societal conversations and. ideas and get people to laugh about it, >> but even when they're done laughing. about it, they're going to be thinking. about it when they're driving home. It's. just the vehicle to get people thinking. about stuff. >> Well, in terms of comedy, I agree. And. Dave is one of the best of all time, if. not the best at doing that. But what.

kind of um nesting would you You're. talking about giants. >> It depends on the morals and ethos of. that society. If they want to be a. warrior society, you have to have. something that you're constantly. fighting or protecting yourself against. >> Whether that's real or you're nesting. the morality of your society in that. story. Both could achieve the same end. state. If there really was a giant and. they really did kill this thing and then. brought it back secretly, like what. would be the purpose of that? Why. wouldn't they? That that's where I go.

Like what would be the purpose of hiding. the fact that this thing existed? I. don't see why the government would hide. the discovery of a giant like what Yeah. What military reason, what national. security reason would you have for. hiding the this the thing that that this. thing existed? >> At some level of objective skepticism. and criticism or looking into these. stories, you get to that point of like. who's benefiting from this and why? Yeah. >> Why would anybody actually go out of.

their way to put this much effort into. obscure something like that? >> Yeah, that's how I feel about giants. But when it comes to UFOs, it makes more. sense to me. because then you have something that's. insanely advanced, much more advanced. than us. And so I had this guy Hal Puto. off on my show. >> He's a physicist, very brilliant guy and. he's been around forever. And during um. was George W. or Herbert Walker,

>> one of the Bushes. Um they brought him. and uh a team of specialists in and they. said we are contemplating disclosure. >> and that we have not just not just. acquired. um crashed vehicles that are of. non-human origin but also we have. biological remains of these creatures. We want you to write down pros and cons. of the impact of these things and put a.

numerical value. put a numerical value. in terms of impact on government, impact. on religion, impact on all these. different things and um universally all. of them came out with more cons than. pros. The numbers didn't line up and. they made a decision to not disclose. This is according to this how put off. guy. >> I could see that being the case. >> I could see that being the case too if. it was true. The UFO thing, there's just. too many stories for me to openly.

dismiss all of them. Even though I have. had no experiences, it's there's too. many stories. There's too many there's. too much weirdness to it. >> How about it? Just given the size of the. known universe and the fact it keeps. expanding, what is the mathematical odds. that we are completely the only thing. out there? >> Exactly. So, this is like sort of the. same argument that people used to use. for Bigfoot. Like the wilderness is so. vast, the Pacific Northwest is so dense, there could be something out there that. we haven't documented. Well, the problem.

is now we kind of have and now we kind. of know that with all these camera traps. and all these different things, it's. very very very very unlikely that any of. these stories are true. But when you get. to the universe, it's like, come on. It's way more likely that we're not. alone than we are alone. If we are. alone, that's kind of insane. I mean, it. kind it's kind of incredible if this is. the only place where intelligent life is. formed. I think if that's the case, we're missing something. We're missing. something about the nature of.

consciousness. We're we're missing. something about what consciousness. actually is. Like what is our actual. role in the universe? It might be more. complex than the we initially believe. I think disclosure that we aren't alone. would have a net benefit to society. globally. We spent a lot of time. pecking back and forth at each other and. fighting each other. Mhm. >> If you got sat down and be like, "Listen, um, we have a global issue now that.

everybody is impacted by this as big as. as much of the biggest swinging dick you. think you are on this planet. Guess. what? You're nothing in comparison to. this." I think it would have a net. calming effect. Maybe not. instantaneously, but overall, I think. that that would be the net effect of it. >> Perhaps the the the real problem is like. all things, someone's going to take. advantage of it. But I think that if if. so, let's just say it is real. I think. that's already happening. Like the US, if that that's real, the US is not the.

only country that has agreed not to. disclose because it is to their benefit. not to do so. Like these things, uh, Russia has a crash program. I'm sure. China does as well, too. And I'm sure. that everybody to include the US is. trying to reverse engineer these things. for our benefit as fast as humanly. possible. >> Yeah. >> So, >> I think if that if it is true, that is. the case. And that's the Bob Lazar. story. There's a great documentary. that's out now called S4 that's about. Bob Lazar. I had him on again for the. second time.

>> I don't want to believe him. I want to. think he's a [ __ ] artist, but I. believe him. There's there's something. about one guy who's a clearly brilliant. guy who's been telling the same story. since 1988. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> and like you said, a volume of other. stories. Some of them I think you can. completely. >> for sure ride off, but other ones. >> pretty tough from pretty credible people. who aren't making claims like, "Hey, I. sat down and had a beer with this. thing." But like, >> I was in an aircraft that has a certain.

performance envelope and we understand. the performance envelope of what humans. are able to fly at this point. And. >> yeah, this thing did things that I don't. understand. >> Sometimes the videos get I mean, >> I was talking with uh you know, Bill. Thompson, you just had him on. >> Sure. >> Love that dude. He is like he's one of. my favorite people. You gotta be. cautious how deep of a question you ask. him, >> right? >> Because he has national defense level. autism at times. [laughter]. >> Defcon 5. Like, Bill, what's your.

favorite color? He's like, "Oh, what is. color?" Like, [ __ ] No, that's not. [laughter]. that's not what I meant. But we were. having this conversation and his. background is fascinating. And what's. even more fascinating is what he's done. with his background and what he built. from with Spartan Forge with that. which. >> and his ethics. >> Correct. But he was talking some of the. videos. He understands technological. things and he can look at stuff and be. like that's the parallax of two moving. objects and how a lens works. Not many. people understand those things to. include myself many times when I'm.

talking with Mr. you know Mr. Bill. But. I mean he God he's a national treasure. >> He really is. >> He is. >> He that was one of the ones where I. dipped into the comments on YouTube cuz. I just wanted to know how people were. going to react to him. >> Yeah. What' they say? loved him. Loved. him as you universal praise for how. brilliant he is. And I I'm like, there's. only one way they're going to respond. I'm like, if you don't like this guy, >> like, you're listening to the wrong. show. >> Have you seen what he's done with the. app he created, Spartan Force?

>> It's incredible. It's an amazing app. >> It's 20 plus years of targeting and. intelligence gathering packaged into. something that's consumerf facing that. if you're into hunting, >> holy [ __ ]. >> I know. What kind of a super genius is. going to get involved in a hunting app. like that? >> Captain America of autism. [laughter]. >> I love you, Bill, but let's be honest. >> He's [laughter]. I mean, he's brilliant on another level. I remember the first conversation I had. with them, I was like, "Oh, okay. There's there's people that you talk to.

like when whenever someone says, "Uh, oh, Joe, you're so smart." I'm like, "Settle down. No, no, no. I'm smart. compared to you. >> [laughter]. >> I'm smart compared to some people, you. know, but I know real smart people. >> Yeah. There is a stark difference. >> A giant leap, a chasm. >> Yeah. >> A a a [ __ ] an ocean to cross before. you reach like levels like Bill and or. Elon or some of these people. It's just. like the the the amount of processing.

power they have. >> Yeah. You know, I have a Honda Civic. brain and these [ __ ] have a. Corvette ZR1. >> I usually go with I have an IQ that you. can find on a thermostat versus. [laughter]. I mean, I'm not saying it's like the. winter, but maybe it's a little bit. close to a hot summer day. Now, what he. what he is a I wish I had the ability to. build stuff like that. Like I use that. app to hunt, but most of the time I use. it when I'm flying my helicopter around. because it is like the terrain analysis, the ability to look at stuff, the LAR,

the way that you can look through. foliage. Again, I'm just I'm deeply. appreciative that people like that. exist. >> And again, with the ethics that he has, he will not sell your [ __ ] email. He's been offered a lot of money to sell. all the you know, that's the thing that. companies do. You sign up for something, you use your email that your email goes. in the list. I'm sure have you ever. opened up one of your email accounts and. look through the filters like all the s. spam and promotional [ __ ] It's like. years and years of garbage. In addition. to the email stuff, I know Bill has.

become a very good friend. He's been. offered money to do a lot of things and. his morality has stayed true through. throughout which and again like those. things are his to talk about if he ever. wants to. But as somebody who knows him. and appreciates that, I wish there were. more people like that. >> Yes. It's just very difficult to become. a guy like that. You know, it's the long. road to be that guy. >> Yeah. Um, I think because of what's. going on in Iran, uh, it'd be good to. talk to you about this because you're a. guy who kind of understands things in.

terms of like geopolitics more than the. average person. >> Listen, I can find Iran on a map. Okay, that doesn't mean I understand. geopolitics. >> I know I know you're very you're humble, but. >> well, my operational experience was at a. low tact meaning on like there so. there's strategic war, right? >> Operational war, but those are that's. air I never was in the room for. I. didn't breathe that air. I'm not having. I wasn't invited rightfully so to. planning meetings where they were. talking about the defense policy of the. United States. >> or going into a country. I was down.

like, "Hey, we found this dude. >> We know where he's at. >> We can't figure out how to go get him. Why don't you guys go give it a little. look see?" That was the level that I. operated at. >> Yeah. Well, one of the things that was. discussed was sending a bunch of. operators in to go retrieve depleted. uranium. >> Yeah. Do you think they tried that? Oh, as a. part of the rescue. >> Yeah, there seems to be a lot of ships, a lot of crafts. >> Well, if Okay, so yes, but Okay, so I'll.

we can unpack this one a little bit. So, this is back to the F8 uh F-15 weapon. systems officer that ejected. >> That was a seaar or combat search and. rescue operation where they surged. forward a lot of stuff. >> And then operation or the the ghost. murmur, >> stop it right now. You stop it right. now. >> You don't know what that is. >> I know. I know. >> Do you believe in that, >> Joe? I want it to be true. >> Me, too. >> I want them to be able to identify. somebody from a heartbeat.

>> from 40 miles away. >> From 40 miles away. If that technology. existed and we're not using that on to. help our own populace find people that. are lost in the woods, we're a bunch of. [ __ ] [ __ ]. >> right? >> So, like, let's not maybe tell people. what we're doing, but you could have a. specialist in a search and rescue. helicopter that could maybe use that and. be like, "Oh, we saw them in a field.". When you didn't actually see, right? So. because that doesn't happen, I think the. it's plausible. I don't it's possible. I. don't know if it's plausible. >> That's how we felt. Me and Jamie were. both going. >> So, but then you can go old school,

which is sending in monkeys with machine. guns like what I used to do with a PJ or. multiple PJs, pair of rescue jumpers, because those are the guys, this is the. way I describe PJs. If you want to put a. hole in something, J- Sock guys are. great at it. If you want to plug a hole, PJs are the guys that you want on top of. you just stopping hydraulic fluid. their. medical just absolute badasses. Nothing. but immense respect for them. So the two. cargo aircraft came in, they pulled the. little birds out. I believe that there. was four that you could only fit.

probably, man, even if they were super. light on fuel, probably three guys on. each pod. So six guys per helicopter, 24. guys. Some of those are going to have to. be PJs. I don't know if that's enough to. go into a hardened facility in the. daytime also, which is not when you. would do that for retrieving depleted. uranium because, by the way, to do that, you're going to be in full protective. equipment very likely, which you're. going to be moving incredibly slow. I I. just I know it was I know that. geographically it was proximal to one of.

the locations that they thought that. that was what was going on. >> I think more I think it probably was a. rescue of the weapon systems officer is. my guess. [clears throat]. Um, and then you know they're like, "Well, we can't get the aircraft because. they got stuck in the sand." Like, okay. The the little birds don't have the fuel. storage and ability to get across where. they needed to go. So, they had to bring. in other aircraft. And you don't want to. leave that stuff. So, >> right. So, you got to detonate it. >> Yeah. They bip it or blow it in place. >> How many aircrafts did they lose? >> So, what has been, I think, disclosed.

was the four MH6s, which are the little. birds that carry the people, the two. aircraft that brought those in. I I. think there was some version of a C130. Um, and I think that was it as far as. that operation. There might have been a. Predator or a Reaper drone that was shot. down. I think some A-10s were damaged. And then, of course, the F-15 that was. ejected from. >> Wow. >> It's a lot. It's a lot of stuff. >> It is a lot of stuff, but the military. asks people to do exceptional things. And it helps you if you know that they. are going to send everything that they.

have to come and get you if something. goes wrong. um it has to mean something. to be issued a flag on your chest in my. opinion at least. And as far as those. operations go, there's basically two. where you are going to absorb as the. people responding an immense amount of. risk. One of them is going to be a. hostage rescue which I was a part of. We. talked about that on a previous episode, the Jessica Lynch rescue. The number of. people we thought we might encounter was. a way bigger number than the number of. people that we could get there in the. helicopters. But you go anyway because.

of the chance of rescuing somebody. Combat search and rescue kind of the. same thing. Maybe they're not, it's not. a hostage situation, but it could be. building towards that. I mean, maybe you. don't have time to go at night, which is. when you have all the tactical and. technological advantage, right? The. night vision goggles, >> right? >> It's like, hey, we got to go now in the. daytime. We're going to level the. technological playing field and you guys. are going to go fullback dive and get. like that's very high risk. Those are. about the two times that you are going. to accept that level of risk and you go. when you go. >> Well, that's what I wanted to ask you. So the official story seems to track.

>> it is more plausible to me than any of. the other stories that I have heard. I. would like to think that the what the. ghost murmur whatever it is but then. it's like okay I mean walking the dog on. that one. Did this guy have to sit down. and you know uh get an EKG and have his. heart uh wave you know HRV on file. somewhere because how would you not pick. up somebody else's heart rate right? >> How would you not pick up you know other. animals or mammals that like you know. what I mean? So, I want to believe I.

think we'll probably get there. I don't. think we're there yet. >> Was that an official story? >> No, that's a Twitter story. >> Are you sure? >> I Well, I first saw it on Twitter, so. >> I did too, but [laughter]. I Well, someone sent it to me. >> I didn't actually actively seek it out, but somebody sent it to me and I was. like, "Wait, what?" And then me and. Jamie threw it around for a while. >> The internet is the best worst thing. ever. It was getting spread around by. New York Post and then the the same uh. article was getting repeated everywhere. So my.

>> New York Post. >> have it on the screen. >> Interesting. >> Ghost murmur. I mean I would imagine I. bet you Lohee Martin does have a program. called Ghost Murmur. >> Long range quantum magnetometry. >> But I'm looking at articles so. >> diamond based sensors. I think Iran was. saying that we tried to do the uh. snatching of the um uranium. >> They foiled us. So, it's like a who. knows what side of the story to believe, >> right? >> That is part of the problem. And you.

know, you got your Fox News narrative. and your MSNBC narrative and who [ __ ]. knows. >> Yeah. Separating the uh the [ __ ] in. the modern era. >> Yeah. is more like an art form than a science. >> Yeah, it's um it's very confusing and. it's very disconcerting to just have no. and then also they can't tell you. certain things like why would the. general public know about things that.

could affect negatively national. security? Like why why would they tell. you? They can't tell you. Which is also. part of the problem with they're allowed. to lie. they're allowed to use. propaganda and misinformation on the. American people in the interest of. national security. So that's like. >> it would just be better. I would. appreciate it more they're like listen. this is what we can tell you and then. this beyond this is a matter of national. security. So as much as you want to know. we can't tell you right. >> I' I'd prefer that over a BS story that. gets it's like a really sticky idea that. then gets totally out of control and.

then you know people have a three-piece. tinfoil tuxedo on walking down Main. Street. But it's just super weird that. there might be something like ghost. murmur. There might be something. >> I guarantee you that there is a. >> quantum magnetometry with diamond. sensors. >> I bet that's real. I bet it works on I. mean they're probably testing it on. mice, you know. I mean, I'm sure that. the concept is valid. >> Well, you got President Trump told uh. the Post the CIA's secret new ghost. murmur tool was very important to.

rescuing a downed airman inside Iran. as. leading physicists and engineers debate. how the futuristic technology said to. detect heartbeats at great distance. might work. >> So I guess the post didn't make it up. >> They were told by Trump. >> Wow. >> I don't know if everything he says is. accurate. [laughter]. >> Just to throw that out there. So. >> hey, who knows? >> Gets a little loose and fast sometimes. with the details in reality. It's just.

crazy that that kind of technology is. even being contemplated that there might. be a future where that exists. >> Oh, that makes total sense to me. >> Find you based on your heart rate. Well, they they they now know that they can. use wifi. in order to see 3D objects in motion in. a house. >> Yeah, they can map basic. Yeah, I mean. it's well I mean again I think Evan and. I had an argument one time about radar. and sonar and we were both calling each. other idiots and we both found out that. we were wrong once we looked it up on.

the internet. So we'll say it's some. version of that. God we were both 100%. committed we were that we were correct. and we were both wrong which is classic. But yeah, like in this room it the. things that are emanating there's an. ability for them to map that and. determine who you know maybe not who you. are but I bet you it gets to that point. and where you are. And you want to talk. about a tactically beneficial piece of. information from somebody like my old. job. >> Thank you very much. >> Right. >> Yeah. I'll take that all day. >> as long as it stays out of the hands of. the en enemy.

>> Yeah. But then they'll eventually get it. and then you'll evolve and your tactics. will change and that's that's the game, man. It's just it gets to a point with. technology where it's like what is not. possible a hundred years from now. That's what's weird. Like we are in one. of the strangest times ever in human. history in terms of these quantum. computers that can solve mathematical. like Mark Andrees explained it to me and. I'm going to paraphrase it. I'll. probably [ __ ] it up, but he said that a. quantum computer can solve an equation.

in a matter of minutes that if you. converted the entire universe, every. atom in the universe into a supercomput, the universe would die of heat death. before it could solve this problem. And. a quantum computer on Earth can solve it. in a matter of minutes. >> I don't even I mean, honestly, like I. understand every word that you just. used, right? But I don't understand what. that means and what it is capable of. >> Right. Well, they think that it might be.

evidence of somehow or another evidence. of multiple dimensions of a multiverse. and that not only is this quantum. computer operating in this universe, but. in an infinite number of other universes. >> simultaneously. >> I like the Doctor Strange movies. I'm in. >> Oh, the multiverse. That's I mean to me. that. >> we started it with Spider-Man. >> That might as well be a scientific. documentary because that's my reference. for the multiverse,

>> right? Like [sighs] I guess we shouldn't. even talk about it because we don't know. what we're saying. >> Never stopped me before. >> But it's one of those things where like. quantum computers are real. That's a. it's an actual real thing. Now Google, specifically Hermoot Nevin, who leads. Google Quantum AI, recently used. language that strongly suggests their. new quantum chip speed could be. understood as borrowing computational. power from other universes. But this is. an interpretive speculative way of. talking about quantum mechanics, not an.

experimentally established fact or a. standard claim. The claim comes from. December 2024, a blog post about. Google's Willow quantum chip. Nevin. wrote that the chip solved a task in. minutes that would take a classical. supercomput about 10 to the 25th power. years, far longer than the age of the. universe. [laughter]. >> Again, I understand every word you just. used, but I don't understand. >> Stop scrolling. Go back up. He then.

said, "This lends credence to the notion. that quantum computation occurs in many. parallel universes and that this aligns. with the idea that we live in a. multiverse explicitly referencing David. Deutsch many worlds argument for quantum. computing." Yeah, right. We're too dumb. to have this conversation. That's where. we need to get Bill on speaker phone. Bill, Bill, explain this. >> Problem is he'd be like, >> "Yeah, >> and then. >> and then the show would be five hours. long." Well, and then I would also. understand the words that he was using,

but not in the combination in sequence. that he would use them. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> I'm just appreciative that he exists. >> Yeah. I'm appreciative that there's. people like that out there. >> Your book, uh, Drown Proof, I I assume. this is in normal language that a normal. person like you and I could read. >> Well, considering that I wrote it, >> we did not use a lot of multi-yllable. words. A lot of ands and thus are in. there. >> Well, I'm sure it's awesome. Uh, look, you got Jaco, Jack Carr, and me giving.

you blurbs on the cover, so it's got to. be good. >> So, at some point, it doesn't have to be. now, but I essentially wrote in the. inscription, and I and I mean this from. the bottom of my heart, my life would. not look the way it does had you and I. not randomly met through Tate Fletcher, like my post-military life would look. completely different, and I have no. ability to like pay you back for how. gracious you've been with like your time. and your platform. So all. >> well it's a two-way street because you. your presence on my show has enriched my.

show. It's made the show better for. sure. >> Well, my promise is that I will do the. best I can to be a positive impact on. the world around me. I think that's the. best way that I can try to pay you back. and honestly it's the reason why I wrote. that in the first place. So, >> well, that's all I can do. >> It's my pleasure and I try to do the. exact same thing. And shout out to my. boy Tate Flesher. I haven't seen that. guy in forever. >> He's the best. >> I love him. All right. I love you, too. Thank you very much and thanks for being. here. And Drproof, did you read the. audio book? >> I did. >> Yes. I love it.

>> After that experience, let me tell you, Voice Actors, I struggle with it enough. as the person who wrote the words, I. can't even fathom what it would be like. going in there blind and like, well, let's just figure this out as we go. >> Yeah, it's a tough gig. Yeah, there's a. reason why they. >> Yeah. Jo uh wrote uh wrote and read the. forward. >> Nice. >> That was amazing. >> Beautiful. All right, that's it. Go get. it, folks. It's out now. All right. Bye, everybody.

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