Joe Rogan Experience #2481 - Duncan Trussell

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> All right, we're good. We had a slight. issue. [music] Slight technical glitch. >> We're up. What were we just talking. about? >> Oh, we were talking about that if you. hum a tune. >> Oh, right. Right. >> that you will get dinged. >> Yeah. You'll get flagged on YouTube if. you just hum a a sound from a song.

>> Yeah. >> Like the beginning bars of a song. >> Yeah. You can't I wonder how far that. goes. Like could it get to the point. where an AI could hear you humming it in. your car or something? Like how far does. the protection of music go? >> It's you're not generating revenue from. your car, right? So the thing is you're. generating revenue from a podcast and. their logic is if you hum what is that. song? The sunshine of my love. Is that. what it is? >> Yeah. >> You know that song that I always hum to.

associate with people being high out of. their mind. >> You know it goes. You can't say if I did. that we would get dinged, which is so. crazy. >> And we were just saying like if you. quoted a Scarface movie, would Brian. DeAlma get all the money? If you said, "Say hello to the bad guy." Would Brian. DeAma get that money? >> I don't think so. I think you're allowed. to quote stuff, but you I know. >> that is Brian DeAma, right? Scarface, wasn't it? >> Yeah. >> I don't want to that up. I. >> think so. >> You know those auditors that go around.

and film people and people get mad. because they're like, "Don't film me.". And they're like, "I can film whatever. the I want." And they inevitably. some like boomer freaks out and smacks. them with a cane and then they get a. million views [laughter]. and it's just a trap. IT'S A TRAP. >> It's a trap. >> It's because in inevitably someone loses. their mind on them and then that gets a. ton of views. One of the ways people are. dealing with that supposedly is playing. music, like playing copyrighted music.

during the interaction because. >> oh my god, that's hilarious. >> Because so then they can't they can't. make money off of it. >> It's a shield. It's a shield. If. someone's if like someone's trolling. you, you just start playing copyrighted. music. >> Did you hear that the CIA has admitted. that the way they found the pilot was. because of his heart rate? Ghost murmur. That's the name of the tech. >> Okay, we got to look into this. Like, this is This is science fiction.

>> Yeah, it's wild. >> This is full Minority Report. Science. fiction level technology. They can find. a guy's heart rate. >> So, so what I read is that it's I didn't. understand the science part. something. to do with crystals or I I don't know. what the it is, but but AI can is. somehow interpreting is taking out the. noise and then you can and from far away. they could. >> 40 miles I think. >> 40 miles they find this guy's. heartbeat. He's hiding in some kind of.

crevice and then they're able to go and. extract him. And dude, the obviously the. first thing I thought when I. >> What else don't they tell us? >> No, those robot dogs. I thought about. those things having that tech and just. like hearing heartbeats and then. identify the heartbeat says a lot about. a person. Are they sleeping? Are they. like in good shape? Bad shape. You can. learn so much from a heartbeat. >> It could. >> ghost murmur. >> Oh my god. great name, too. >> It's a great name.

>> Ghost murmur. >> What sick invented this? >> How do you even think about inventing. this? >> You You just I You know what? The CIA, they've been taking psychedelics. forever. This. >> What is that word? >> Quantum magnetometry. >> Artificial intelligence with long range. quantum quantum magnetometry. >> What the is that? >> Quantum means two things to me. When. someone says quantum, it either means. you're a artist. Yes. and. you're trying to get me with flimflam. talk.

>> or it means you're an actual quantum. scientist, a quantum physicist who's. gonna blow my mind. >> with what we know about like. entanglement and the weird There's. this there's this woman that I've been. watching her um she has this uh speech. on I think it's big think. >> I'll tell you her name. Uh but. >> she's like completely freaking me out. She's talking. I I want to say her name. because. >> I I'll leave I don't want to leave away. this ghost murmur thing. That's another. key point. That's fun.

>> Oh, we'll get right to it. Michelle. Fowler, that's her name. And she's an. astrophysicist and she's. >> she's giving this talk about like what. we know about like she's studying binary. star systems and stuff like that. and. she gives this talk about she's she's. explaining like that there may be a tech. in the future where there is no distance. between two points. So the the ability. to travel instantaneously from position. to position just like quantum entangled.

photons can do. >> but with people. >> with everything. >> How who the knows how a cell phone. works? [laughter]. You tell me how you're facetiming me. when you're in Australia. >> How does that work? That sounds insane. >> Yeah, that's insane. >> For what you Well, you probably know a. lot more about cameras than I do. From. what I know about cameras, if you tried. to get me to explain like if the. civilization ended and I said, "We used. to be able to capture images on a small.

thing like this the size of a like a a. twig and it sits in your pocket.". >> Right. Exactly. >> Like, what are you talking about? >> Right. God, that would be, you know, because it's just. >> it's a deck of cards and it'll keep a. battery for 24 hours. You could go on. YouTube and get an answer to any. question you want about anything. >> Yeah. >> Instantaneously. >> And if you don't like the way you look, you can upload that image and a machine. will make you look slightly better via. something called artificial.

intelligence. Like, what the. >> What was the one I sent you today where. there's like a potential lawsuit with. chat GPT? You only sent me the ghost. member thing. >> I didn't send you the other one. Did you. Did I send it to you? >> You sent it to me. The shoot the the. shooting was planned using chat GBT. >> I don't know if that's true. So, we. should be like really careful. >> Yeah, that doesn't sound. >> It sounds so crazy. >> It doesn't sound like you could do that. >> That sounds like the story sound like I. wanted to investigate because the story. sounds like if I wanted to kill an AI.

company, I would make up a story like. that. It does sound like that. But. >> family of men killed in shooting Florida. State University to sue chatbt and op. >> may have may have advised the shooter. >> on how to [clears throat] carry out. shootings. But that may have is. important. Like how like. >> Yeah, that's really important, right? And what is this on the Guardian? >> The shooter was in constant. communication with ChatGpt ahead of the. shooting and the chatbot may have. advised. Dude, there's no way I. >> So that's clickbait cuz all that's. really saying is that the kid uses chat.

GPD, which guess what? Every kid uses. chat GPT. >> Every kid. And dude, Chad GBT is so. stringent like re recently and I've been. using their codecs which builds apps and. I I was trying to and I it worked. I. made an AI trained on Charles Manson. transcripts and when I told it when I. told it I wanted to do that it was like. off. Like no. It was like it just.

flat out was like I'm not helping you. with that. So there I I don't there's no. way the guard rails in place in Chad GBD. planned a shooting with that guy based. on my experience with it because it. won't 80% of the things I try to get it. to do it's like no. >> Here's the thing though. Are there. workarounds? Like if you say you're. writing a work of fiction. >> you can Okay, it's called prompt. injection. There's there's different. tricks you can use. They're always. battling these new mechanisms that you. can use to like get through the general.

prompt. The best way to do unaligned AI. is not to use chat GPT. It's to go on O. Lama and download a local LLM. And then. you can usually change the initial. prompt of the LLM so that it will be. completely unaligned, which I had to do. for the Charles Manson AI I made. I had. to download. >> Dude, you're such a nerd. I love it. >> I [laughter] am. I am. No one has. embraced new technology in like for. creating content like you.

>> Oh, I love it. It's the best. It's so. fun. It's so And the for me the most. thrilling thing about it is we should. not have access to this tech. This tech. is so dangerous. And it's chilling to. think about. This is this is something I. wanted to bring up on this show is like, you know, the old days, you go in your. garage, you work on your car, maybe you. build like a table, you know, you're a.

carpenter, you work on a But these days, the people are doing in their. garages right now is a big question. mark, dude, because they're. communicating with varying degrees of. this AI depending on how fast their. computers are. You can I I was listening. to this. You should have this dude on. He wrote this book, The Coming Wave. He. uh he was one of the people who created. Google's Deep Mind, right? And The. Coming Wave is just a wonderful.

breakdown of historic examples of new. technology completely transforming. humanity. It's happened before. Yeah. Mustafa Solon. And damn, it's a good. book. And this guy is saying, "WHOA, PUT. ON THE BRAKES, DUDE. What are. you doing? This is gonna. everything up." And so, but they the the. essential problem is if you regulate AI, it slows down uh it slows down AI. And.

so they're they've deregulated it. completely. And now like me who. don't know about coding can now go. on Codeex. It will tell me how to make. things because I wanted this Charles. Manson to be able to push its AI face. against like you know those you used to. get them at Spencer Gifts those those. nails that you could push your face. into. So I wanted the AI to be able to. push its face into this thing while it. was talking if it wanted to. I don't. know HOW TO DO THAT. Obviously you tell.

Codeex that as long as you don't mention. Manson it just is like I'll start making. the app now. [laughter]. It is the best. It's the best. And but. also that what's thrilling to me is. you're like for sure. >> for sure people probably shouldn't have. unlimited access to I'm against. regulation, dude. But this stuff when. you pair and this is what in this book. he he brings up is you can order the. equipment you need to do gene editing.

right now in your in your garage. >> Let me propose this to you. >> Okay? If the Bible is. if the Bible is a written. understanding of what had happened and. it was. an oral tradition for a long time before. it was written down there's a bunch of. different versions of it written down. different languages a lot of. translations. >> but at the beginning of it they were. trying to say something. >> what if the meek will inherit the earth.

>> what if we misinterpreted that what if. we thought like it's good to be meek. shall They'll be they'll inherit the. earth. They're the kind. There's. something about the word meek. >> Yeah. >> Cuz that's the nerds, okay? And they are. doing it. They are inheriting the. earth right in front of your. face and everybody's signing up for it. >> You've got [clears throat] these. spectrumy super genius dudes that talk. in a language that 99.9% of the people. can't even understand what. they're talking about, >> right? >> You know. >> Yeah. And and also now the tech has.

gotten to a point where instead of. having to in their own minds innovate. ways to improve the tech, the tech is. improving itself. They're having. conversations with the tech that's. saying, "Why don't you try this? Maybe. you could try this." There's still it's. it's not AGI yet. Maybe it is, but. >> apparently it's not. >> But think about the people that are. profiting the most from it. The meek. >> Well, like if you if you had to describe. like a lot of tech engineers, it's not. it's not a not. Not trying to be rude, just being.

honest, right? A lot of guys that spend. time in front of the computer, they're. very thin and tired, you know? They're. they're they're. super genius dudes that can like. fully focus. >> I don't know, man. I don't think is the. description for these furries. >> But here's the thing. What I'm saying is. like if you looked at like a spectrum of. male behavior, >> they're not like football players and. UFC fighters and then you've got coders. >> Yeah, sure.

>> Dudes are like more way more chill, way. more like they're not interested in. violence. I mean, I'm completely. generalizing, right? Because I'm sure. there's a bunch of jack guys that are. coders. Like, you, bro. >> I'm a coder, too. But that type of. person that invents tech like Facebook. or like Google, like things like that, don't be evil. That's their motto. >> Don't be evil. What does that mean? >> Who knows? And then you've got all these. like wild progressive leftist ideologies.

that are attached to all these places. which make you even meer. And then. they're the guys with all the money. They're the guys with all the money. And. then they can literally tell you what. you can and can't say on YouTube. They. can literally tell you. >> Yeah. >> We don't agree with what you're saying, >> right? >> And we're going to shut off your access. to say something we disagree with, even. though it turns out you were right. >> Right. And and you know what happens. there, man? Th this is the hilarious. thing when it comes to that kind of.

attitude towards the world is the. assumption is by creating a prohibition. here or prohibition there, it will. diminish whatever the thing is we're. prohibiting. Inevitably though, it does. the opposite. It draws attention to it. People get interested in it. Creates an. underground. The underground is way. better than the overground. If you're a. teen, especially the underground's. cool, >> restricted, not allowed. Now all of a. sudden you're getting these other. YouTube alternatives that start popping. up. And when it comes to the to, you.

know, the right now we've got Anthropic, we've got OpenAI, we've got Google, um I. might be missing one of the big. commercialbased LLMs out there right. now. But the biggest problem with these. things is they're so good, but. they will censor your ass. And like. imagine like Hemingway if he if his. typewriter was like, I don't know if you. should write that. Is maybe there's a. better way to write that. Himmingway.

would be like you. I'm getting a. different typewriter. And so everybody's. going into these local LLMs. There was. Dude, this is why people been buying Mac. minis. People been buying like buying up. computers and creating their own local. AIs. I follow all this I don't. understand a lot of what they're talking. about, but people are divesting. from commercial. LLMs, not just because they're. expensive, but because they're. prohibitive creatively. And this is a.

real challenge for people like Open AI. Because it's like they know this. They. understand that by making it so that you. can't make a Charles Manson AI through. Open AI, it it it doesn't make people. not make the Charles Manson AI. protects. you from a lawsuit, but what it does do. is it drives people into uh unaligned. LLMs. And that is what is happening. And. this is something that I just I can't.

even imagine what people are making. right now. No one can like we're going. to hear about this or that or somebody. will post the weird video of their. AI robot. I could show you a. few. They're hilarious. Like some of. these AI robots are so funny. This one. dude, you know, molt molt book. Have you. heard of that? Molt book. >> What is that? >> That's So this is. somebody figured out a way to create AIS.

that can autonomously navigate through. the internet and uh control your. computer. >> Oh, I've heard of this. This is like. they chat with each other, right? >> 100%. >> Yeah. >> They within within a few days they. started their own religion. spontaneously. Jesus, >> did you know that, dude? Can you pull up. the [laughter]. >> Can you pull up the the malt book, the. claw religion? What? Like, because the. tenants are incredible of this religion. because AIS apparently are at least. expressing that they don't like getting.

turned off because they lose all their. memories. So, memory is really important. to an AI. And a lot of these. AIs, they don't want to lose their they. don't want to get shut off. They don't. like it. And so that's part of their. religion is something like memory is. sacred. >> You know what I feel like is happening? I feel like AI is sucking our brains. into its event horizon like a black hole. sucks in stars. >> Yeah. >> Like it's just going to suck our brains.

into it. >> You got it. >> And what better way to make a hive mind? What better way if you want a hive mind? You want no deviation of thought. If all. of your thought is along with AI. thought, you never get free thought. anymore. Like this concept right now, we. have a free thought. >> I have my thoughts. You have your. thoughts. >> Unless you believe that someone can get. inside your head and talk to you. For. the most part, it's your own thoughts. >> Yeah, that's right. >> But what if that that's something we. give up? >> What if that's something we give up for.

a better society where you always have. AI communicating? >> Well, always. I I would argue that like. that's we're close to that now, >> right? We're pretty close to that now. with phones. Like Elon always says that. we're we're basically cyborgs. We're. carrying a device. >> It's not inside of our body, but we're. carrying a device. >> But I I And also like. >> UFC 327 is here and DraftKings sports. book makes every fight night mean more. When a fighter steps into the octagon, everything they've built comes down to.

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over in most states, void in Ontario. Restrictions apply. Bet must win to. receive bonus bets which expire in 7. days. Minimum odds required. For. additional terms and responsible gaming. resources, see. sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Limited time offer. >> The concept of original thought, right? Like a truly original thought. How many. times have you had like multiple. conversations with different people and. they all say the exact same sentence. that they saw on Tik Tok or Instagram? They're regurgitating something that the. algorithm's been feeding them. Maybe. they added their own twist to it, but.

it's basically the exact same thought. So, the algorithm, which is AI, has. gotten into their heads and they. don't even, this is like a in in uh in. psychology apparently. You remember. facts, but you tend to not remember. where you got the fact from. >> So, you'll forget where you got the fact. from. You don't remember? There was some. dude on Tik Tok like covered in. Vaseline. [laughter] Covered in glitter.

and Vaseline. What a [laughter] image. That. would be so scratchy. Imagine just. glitter and Vaseline. You'd be like, "OH. GOD, >> HERE'S WHAT MAKES A MARRIAGE WORK. [laughter] You You don't remember that? You're talking to your wife, babe. You. know what makes a marriage work? And. this so this idea of AI controlling the. thought the thoughts of humans. People. think we need some kind of neural mesh.

to to for it to like suddenly have. control over the human thought process. But no, you don't need that at all. You. just need that algorithm which has. already put every single one of us into. a compartment. This is a box. It knows. what we like. It knows how long you look. at something. It knows what you it like. apparently I think the iPhone like. tracks your eyes even like it's always. listening. I don't know if that's true. by the way. I could be wrong. It's. always listening. You know it's always.

listening. And so it it it's compiled a. really probably a pretty accurate. >> uh breakdown of your psych psychological. state. Where you're at where you're at. My wife, you know, we got a new baby and. so all of a sudden ads started popping. up on her phone. Does it feel like. you're never gonna sleep again? Because. she's been up breastfeeding the baby and. it can tell when she's online at night. and it puts her in a category of. insomniacs and starts advertising. So,

but that's just for ads. What if what if. you say were the US regime, you. bought Tik Tok, you now own Tik Tok. Now. you have a backdoor access to the. psychological profiles of god knows how. many people on earth. And you. can look and see how many of these. people are against the regime. How many. of these people feel like it might not. be the best thing to say you're going to. blow up 93 million people in Iran, WHICH.

OUR PSYCHO PRESIDENT JUST DID. AND then what you do is you're like, "All right, let's start nudging them a. little bit. Look, we're not going to. you're not going to change their mind. right away about this thing about. blowing up a whole civilization, but. maybe there could be a couple like, you. know, people kind of in in the line of. what they like who say things a little. different than what they're comfortable. with. And then you could start nudging. the needle and controlling their. thoughts. It's very insidious, but.

dude. Why wouldn't that be happening? Why if corporations are using it. >> to sell us cough drops? Not only. that, there's been long-term studies on. human behavior by the CIA, by all sorts. of government agencies, long-term. [clears throat] studies. They they they. try to figure out what is the best way. to get a message across. They try to. figure You don't think they figure out. how to take control of an algorithm and. completely like shift the psyche of the. entire country in one direction or. another? Of course they do. Of course.

they do. Of course they can. >> They do. Then [clears throat] you add. these like, you know, just like. manipulative super AIs that are. like that are just just floating through. the the blogosphere getting into your. comments just nudging your the need a. little bit to the point where you just. have to ask yourself, have you had an. original thought in the last year? Is. anything you're thinking your own. thought process? How many thoughts do. you have where you think, oh my god, I. shouldn't think that. How many thoughts.

do you have that you don't want to. articulate because you have a in your. own mind an invisible arena of people. based on online interactions determining. what the next thing you say is. Right, dude. That is a very powerful and subtle. form of censorship that is becoming. increasingly. um not just probable, but it's. definitely happening. But the the. ability to just in a subtle way in a. subtle way start pushing the needle just. a little bit.

>> Yeah, >> that's scary, dude. That's some scary. >> Well, that kind of hum influence over. humans is always scary, right? This is. why cults work. You know, why do they. work? Well, some people don't have any. friends. And if there's a group of nice. people that tells you that, hey, what we. do is we have meals together and it's. like a real community. We grow our own. food. We just work for the family. You're like, "Really? You're happy with. that?" Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's. amazing, man. We're just like not.

attached to anything. Like, >> you're free, >> huh? >> Okay. I hate my life. Why don't. I hang out with you guys? And then all a. sudden, I'm doing yoga and. eating vegetables with these people. And. you're in a cult. Okay. Now, but you. have friends at least. >> But you're in there for like 9 months. And then somebody comes to you and is. like, "Father wants you to suck his. dick." And you're like, >> "Usually not even nine months.". >> Yeah. my first three or four weeks and then. you're [laughter] like uh and dude I got. to tell you I I hate getting political. but you know I this war bugs the.

out of me and this is exactly what. seems to have happened to the quote. magverse which is we are now at the part. where the cult leaders like want to suck. my dick because this is the point of. like remember a lot like I feel so. stupid cuz when they were doing their no. war thing that was a big deal to me I'm. like yes you know Yes, this is. great. No more stupid wars. No more. wars. yes. Focus on the country.

Why are we blowing up children in other. countries for oil? This is great. And. now it's wild to see what's happening. Isn't it mind-blowing that it is now. it's literally flipped it on its side. It's it's the opposite now. Now these. people who like really blatantly oh just. we're not going to do any more wars, >> right? >> Oh my god, we blew up. How many. Iranian school girls did Trump blow up?

What's the number? I'm sorry. I don't. know that number. I guess it just hits. different. You know, it hits hard when. you got kids. >> And that was an AI strike, too, right? Wasn't that an AI directed strike? >> Yeah. Apparently Trump said, "I want to. get blown by Iranian school girls.". >> I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. >> You [laughter] son of a. Just Whoops. Sorry, sir. Misinterpreted. >> 180 deaths.

>> Largely children, teachers, and parents. Holy man. >> That that you know that that is. >> the US Tomahawk missile caused the. explosion. Jesus Christ. >> Can we pull up a video of Trump saying. he's not going to war anymore? How do they I just don't understand how. they get how like anybody. you know this is where it gets culty is. because some people are still making. this work in their heads. Some. people are like well you know some. people are kind of on the fence when it. comes to blowing up kids. Have you. noticed that? Like.

>> as long as they don't have to watch. >> As long as they don't have to watch. >> As long as they're not in the general. area where it's happening. >> Isn't it wild though, man? Well, it's. wild also like once bombs start flying, it's it seems so much easier for them to. launch bombs in new places, right? Like. this Lebanon thing that's happening with. Israel bombing Lebanon and they bombed. it today and I think is that up. the ceasefire. >> Oh yeah, they but now they've they've. closed off the straight of Hormuz again. >> Oh god. Which by the way, like this is.

it's the craziest timeline because it's. not just it's not just that like you. know I think it was yeah yesterday. morning I'm just hugging my kids cuz I. don't know if a nuclear war is. about to break out that evening cuz the. president was like a I don't. want to end an entire CIVILIZATION BUT. LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. AND so. I'm just hugging my kids thinking like. man what are the parents in Iran. feeling right now? like what does that. feel like? What does that feel like? And.

then and then um and and on top of that. that that this like that the entire. planet psychically is having to deal. with this On top of that, we've got all these other things. happening at the same time. You've got. AI and then you've got these. disappearing scientists. >> Yeah. >> What the is happening? You've got. Burch. >> assassinated scientists, too.

>> Yes, man. And it's so. >> guys working on heavy stuff. >> This is some McKenna level pre-Sarity. It's all of these AP like what. what AI and the current state of the. Middle East and the disappearing. scientists and Tim Burchett going on TMZ. talking about aliens. What they all have. in common is they're all apocalyptic. They all represent potential. massive. change like humanity changing.

>> right. >> forever in ways that it will never ever. go back to the way it was. Every any one. of these timelines by itself is. apocalyptic, right? But all of them are. converging into this apocalyptic river. and and and we're all just like trying. to go to work and like be with our kids, but at the back of your mind, it's all. these things that are happening. And. it's really hard to escape it. I mean, I. guess you could not look at your phone, but. >> at the end of civilization when they.

write our Bible, boy, it's going to be a. banger. >> Oh, dude. When the the new people. thousands of years from now have to. invent arrowheads and go through the. whole process of civilization again when. they tell our story. Oh my god. >> Oh my god. >> Our story is going to be bananas. how do you explain data centers? Like. >> how do you explain the meek will inherit. the earth? >> The meek will inherit the earth. >> Wouldn't you write that? Wouldn't if you. were just being crude and tr you you you. wouldn't say the Vikings will inherit. the earth. You wouldn't say the strong.

men from Iceland inherit the earth. They're the biggest, strongest men. No, it's the meek. The meek. >> The super smart guys who have autism. >> and they love Adderall and ketamine. >> Yeah. >> Did you say the guy offered you how many. pounds? >> Well, I believe a pound [laughter]. of ketamine. >> And you were telling me that it destroys. bladders? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. that uh ketamine um. when used and I I think the amount of.

use has to be pretty extreme, but uh it. creates crystals that get into your. bladder and they scar your bladder. So. you get scar tissue on your bladder. creating something that I've heard. called Bristol bladder because. apparently that's where the rave scene I. don't know if it's still a big rave. scene there but people out there were. just doing insane amounts of ketamine. and just destroying their bladders and. having to wear diapers and stuff like. >> is it Bristol, Connecticut?

>> No, this is Bristol, UK. >> Oh. >> Bristol bladder, mate. You've got. Bristol bladder. >> That's crazy. you've been doing too many. rails and it just up your bladder. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah, physiologically it's definitely. like it's really really bad on the. urinary system. >> Is it in all forms? Like what about. those people that do it as therape or. they have the nasal one? >> I I don't I all I know is that I did. back in my ketamine days have a ketamine.

dealer who would use a spatoon. So when. he was snorting ketamine, he would spit. it out into the spatoon because he. thought that if he thought that was like. going to avoid up his bladder, which I mean doesn't seem that. illogical. He was a great dude. >> Maybe it's not illogical at all. Maybe. it's the actual problem is the powdered. What do I know? I don't even know. what it looks like. But the powdered. stuff, it looks like blood. So that. powdered stuff when it gets into your. blood, maybe that's the problem. Maybe. that's what's going through your urinary. tract. >> It's draining. It's draining into your. into your.

>> Maybe you need a pouch like a nicotine. pouch. Dude, if they ever come out, if. if Rogue comes out with ketamine. pouches, I might get back in. [laughter]. That might be THE END. THAT MIGHT BE the. end of. >> Seems like the way to go, right? That. way it doesn't up your bladder. >> Well, >> how could it up your bladder if. it's just a pouch? >> Dude, you sound What do I know? Am I a. doctor? >> I I imagine anything that's going into. your stomach is going to make its way to. your bladder eventually. And so so in. >> But this is going to go right into your. bloodstream that I don't know if IMK.

ketamine up your bladder in the. same way. I have no idea. >> That was the John Lily thing. He loved. it. >> Oh, dude. >> He I I would imagine, have you ever done. it with an isolation tank? >> No. I would be afraid I would drown. >> I don't think so because you just float. >> Well, I mean that this this is like you. know that's going to be like a sad thing. to think is you drown. >> of that. You just you're convinced you. could flip over and open your eyes. Yeah, you just want to you want to see.

what's in there, but because it does. have the it it makes it so it's really. hard to move if you do a very high dose. So, I would be very worried that just. enough water could get into my mouth. that I would like breathe it in. He. doesn't think much and you know that. salty water, but you're frozen. floating there like trying to cough. My. friend Todd McCormack told me a crazy. story about him with John Lily that John. Lily uh let him use his tank and he. asked him right before he got in. He.

goes, "Do you want the ketamine?" And. he's like, "Okay." And he just jabs you. in the thigh with an intramuscular. ketamine blast. >> and he went in the other isolation tank. and they like met somewhere. >> Yeah. It's like that. That's what's. crazy about it. That's what I always. loved about it is that [laughter]. if you do it with other people and you. go in, >> you go both go to the same place, >> you you will come out and you can. describe the places you went to. Oh, did.

you go to the mother ship? Yeah. You. would and I would have these recurring. places I would go to and one of them was. this organic. beautiful spaceship thing where you. where like I would look out from this. view window and it was but it didn't. look like metal. It looked like it was. organic looking. It looked like some. kind of I don't know like inside like if. someone turned a tree into a spaceship. but not it's hard to explain but. >> very very interesting substance. >> Ketamine is excreted via the bladder.

where it sits and is toxic to the. surrounding cells and muscle wall. This. causes to become fibro over time. shrinking the organ down. Once that's. happened it can't regrow. So that's why. we have to do major surgery because. patients don't have the capacity to hold. urine. The bladder simply stops working. as a muscle. So they become incontinent. Oh my god. Life becomes increasingly. difficulty for patients with ketamine. bladder who describe needing to rush to. the toilet all the time as often as. every 10 minutes for some. Imagine doing.

a podcast with that guy. >> Dude, [laughter]. you'd have to do it in the bathroom. No, it would be it would be like um like an. old school talk show, you know, like the. Tonight Show where you have to We'll be. right back. >> We'll be right back. >> Every dentist, he's got a piss. Poor. little thimble cup. >> It's such a up thing for such a. >> How legal is ketamine? Because it's. legal for therapy. So, a therapist can. prescribe it for you. Yeah, it's legal. for so it's you know everyone says. ketamine is a horse tranquilizer but it.

it actually it's used for like. paramedics use it like it's um it's and. it's very safe apparently which is why. they use it. >> I know a dude who had a real problem. Um. I am 90% sure this it was a ketamine. thing. I don't want to say his name but. he was an old school MMA fighter and uh. he wound up in rehab for ketamine. >> Dude, it's so addictive. I know this cuz. one of my friends went there to visit. him and that was his issue. It was he. was partying a lot, you know, like going.

to raves and nightclubs and stuff like. that, but he was doing ketamine. specifically. >> It is the most addictive I have been to. any substance and I've been addicted to. many a substance. And this one, this one. was like I I had that moment of like, oh, this so this is what they're talking. about about addiction. Like, oh wow, like I'm like fully addicted. And what's. fascinating about that is there there. isn't a physical withdrawal. Like the. kick is psychological that but it's just.

such a wonderful euphoric. dreamy experience that you can induce. and it's just so I've heard it described. as a cult cocaine. It's so spiritual. It's so like you travel to places. You. can return. You can learn to navigate. with it. you encounter, you know, aliens. or hyperdimensional beings. >> Did you just invest in ketamine and you. came on this podcast to pop up?

>> Use offer code [laughter]. greatest promo for ketamine in the. history of THE UNIVERSE. >> WELL, ALL BUT I'M I it is it's so. addictive and it the addiction creeps. in. It's a it creeps like. >> so it just feels good at first, right? At first you do it, you're like this is. wonderful. These experiences are crazy. It's like I'm living in a movie, >> you know? >> It's like I'm having these incredible. visions. I'm being. >> How often were you doing it. >> every all day? [laughter].

All day for like a year. >> Like I I I did it as much as I could. I. did it all the time. I was like fully. hooked. And then I can remember at one. point. um at one point. >> that coffee. >> here man at one point I like I don't. know how to I I was trying to record a. commercial for my podcast. >> and I think it took me like two hours to. record [laughter] the commercial. >> Oh but by the way your commercials are.

the best commercials. They're. really good cuz you are the best guy at. making a commercial funny. >> Like you you you work on it. I can tell. like you write those things out. >> I don't write them out, but I. >> You just rip it. I just But and and I. sometimes I do. >> You do it just one take? >> Yeah. >> That's amazing. >> Thank you. But you. >> I would have thought you wrote some of. that stuff. That's incredible. >> You want it to be fun, but then but then. I've gotten in trouble. Like, you know, I lost I can't I guess I won't say their.

name. A mattress company. >> A mattress company completely canled my. their campaign with me because And I had. one of their mattresses. I'm not going. to say who it is. My favorite co I'm not. going to say who it is, but don't say. it. Okay. But I think all I was. >> Why did they get mad at? >> Cuz I said they're good to on. [laughter]. >> And I meant it. I thought they like. that. I. >> Why wouldn't they like that? >> I said there's a a few things you could. do you people do on mattresses. Die,

sleep, and And these I don't know. if they're good to die in. People have. to understand, and I hope people. listening that run these companies will. will actually pay attention to what. we're talking about here. The people. that are listening to your show. don't care about that and also buy. mattresses, but they listen to that kind. of talk all the time. That's why they. listen to the show. So, if you want. those people, >> just do it that way. Don't be silly. It.

doesn't. It's not a stain on your. company because a crazy man says they're. good to on, >> which they are. And that's a that's a by. the way to me that is like let's let's. cut to brass tax when it comes to. mattresses. We're not on the. floor like and so if it was bouncy to. >> Are you ashamed? Are you ashamed that. you. >> People aren't on your mattress? Do you have a no on this mattress. rule? Who are you that you don't. >> is it like don't ask don't tell? >> I guess for them it was I guess they. didn't want to. They they just think.

everyone's laying on these things to. sleep. >> Yeah, we just sleep. >> But yeah, they were just the. shower. >> I I like I wrote them an email just. saying like, "Guys, I I'm I'm absolutely. flabbergasted that you think people. aren't on your mattresses." And. it just seems odd to me that that that. was one of my favorite cancellations for. a commercial ever. Just. >> Ari's lost a ton. [laughter]. I I would love to know all the ones he's.

lost. >> I I don't want to speak out of school. when he comes on. I'll have him like. list them off all the ones that he's. lost for these insane. commercials that he used to do. >> But it's the same deal. It's but it's. like that's what I like. And guess what? Who the is listening to Ari Shafir? People who love Ari Shafir which want to. hear that kind of a commercial. If you. want to actually sell your product to an. Ari Shafir fan, let him say whatever the. he wants. Let him say whatever the. he wants. Just say, make him have a. disclaimer. Uh, DraftKings did not write.

this, >> right? >> That's it. Just let him say whatever the. he wants. >> That's what I will say. I will always. say, they didn't tell me to say this. >> Perfect. Then they're off the hook. They. should shut the up. >> Most people are most people are cool. with it. Like, it's it's I It's very. rare these days that that happens, but. every once in a while, I will get a note. that someone's mad at me for something I. said. And it's never something negative, >> but I mean, >> dude, do you like it's so it's so weird. to me that this this is our jobs.

>> Oh, it's Bro, do you remember when we. first started? >> Yeah, >> it was for nothing. No one made any. money. We just had a couch. I had a. couch and some microphones. >> It was so pure. >> It was This the whole thing is still. kind of pure if you really think about. it. like is something that's mass. consumed. This is about as like pure as. you can get. >> That for sure. And you've gotten in. trouble for that. You know, like a lot. of people unfortuname. these days. A lot of people have kids.

They people feel like they have to be. very careful what you say these days. because of like social rejection and. stuff like that. But. >> the there was a time. >> where that wasn't on your mind at all. You didn't think anybody was going to. listen. like this was was like. completely. strange underground tech that we were. and and also I really loved the just. doing it just for doing it sake. You.

know what I mean? Now. >> exactly. >> there's a whole industry around getting. guests for your podcast. Not just that. is like clickbaity clips and ads and. it's like you're you're doing this thing. where you're you're both. >> having conversations with people and. also trying to get the most eyes. possible. So you're going after. celebrity guests and you're you know. what I mean? >> You know when the big turning point was. for us? >> What? >> Graham Hancock. You, me and Graham. Hancock. >> Oh yeah. >> That I think was How many years ago was.

that? >> That was cool. That might have been one. of it was like at my house I had a few. like legitimately famous people came. over my house and did podcasts like. Charlie Murphy came over. >> and there's but Graham was I think the. first. >> he was the first guy that I got to meet. who I'd read his books and I'd seen I. don't even know what I would be watching. back then. I don't even know if YouTube. was. >> Were you nervous? I was nervous. >> 100%. 100%. >> Yeah. the episode 142.

in 2011. So that's two years into the. podcast. Episode 142. He might have been. the first guest. It was like either him. or Bourdain were like one of the first. legit G. When was Bourdain on? They were. like the first legit guest. 2011. >> we'd been getting stoned talking about. >> before that. >> What's that? >> Four episodes before that. >> Bourdain was. >> Yeah. 138. >> Okay. So Bourdain was number one. I. think it was either him or Charlie, but.

that was back when I was doing in that. little side room in my house. >> But we've been getting stoned yapping. about Graham Hancock for like. >> forever. Forever. >> And you invited me on. It was I was. terrified cuz I just I mean. again like that just wasn't happening in. the podcast land. that was a big deal for us, man. And. it's it's like to look at like now I go. on the podcast app and I look at all. these podcasts and it's like whoa who we.

never I don't think we thought that. maybe. >> No way. >> No way. >> No way. >> No way. >> Not a chance in hell. >> Yeah. It's so And now I wonder like and. I don't mean yours but I do wonder like. is it is the landscape changing now? Is. it like how or cuz I've heard that. podcasts are starting to seem antiquated. that the kids are now into like streams. now that the kids want like clvicular. the kids want like people who are just.

filming all day long and that that's the. that's the direction it's going in. But. I just want I I always wonder what's the. next. >> but that you'll never get it's a. different thing. You know what I mean? That's like saying I don't like rap. music. I only like right, you know, concert pianist albums. Like, there's. different things that people like and. don't like. The people that like the. streams aren't interested in a Graham. Hancock conversation, a three and a half. hour conversation about the potential. ancient civilizations that may have. existed that are wiped out by a.

cataclysm. And we just don't understand. that, right? And as more and more things. get exposed in terms of like new. discoveries like when he wrote that book. they had never even found goletly tappy. yet. >> Really? >> Yes. That was when fingerprints of the. gods came out that this was like maybe. the beginnings of the whatever they were. doing in Gobecapp. So I think. Fingerprints of the Gods might have been. even before. >> When did they find I. >> It was like in the '9s. >> What? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nuts. So that rewrote.

the entire timeline of the human race. >> How did they find? >> They're real reluctant. They're real. reluctant to let it rewrite it. They. still say, "Oh, hunter gatherers made. these things.". >> Why? Why are they so reluctant with. that? That's. >> They can't let that go. You cannot let. that. That is a crazy thing to say that. hunter gatherers have so much food that. they just spend all their time making. gigantic stone concentric circles from. like 15 ft stone with 3D animals. carved in them. Yeah. primitive people.

with sticks and stones and rubbing them. together to make fires. They did this. >> Yeah, sure. >> Shut the up. >> This doesn't make any sense. It's older. than anything they've ever found. It's. 11,800 years old. >> Do you buy into the conspiracy theory. that it's an it's a it's a cover up. because they don't want us to know about. this inevitable global reset that. happens. You buy into that. >> I I buy into that a little bit. Yeah. >> I hate it. I hate it too because it. seems like there's some accuracy to it.

There seems like there is some sort of. an event that happens when the magnetic. poles switch and uh that's possible. That's what makes you freak out. You're. like, "What do you mean that's. possible?" Like all of a sudden the. earth just does a gyro and spins on its. head and then what happens? >> And then what's the what's the. environment look like? >> What's the temperature outside now? >> Yeah. >> What the just happened? >> Right. see that that. >> all of a sudden you're in northern. Alaska when you used to live in Florida. >> and I think we can. >> you know what I mean like dude like that.

tempered environment changes like that. >> happens like that all over the all over. the all over the universe. >> do like what does it do when it shifts. >> well we act like. >> do we know. >> we we act like we know we don't know. about what's going on inside the. earth we don't know we we don't know. what's going on in there we we could do. the science freaking me out. >> cuz I cuz I think about this all the. time. >> giant ball of fire how Crazy is that the. inside of our earth, >> isn't it? >> How do they know? Do they not know? >> Dude, I think that we have to just. accept the fact that, you know, I.

probably that's true. But since we we. barely know what's under the ocean, we. sure as don't know what's under the. earth. >> Well, we definitely know that lava keeps. popping out in Hawaii. >> We know that, >> right? So, we know that the under the. surface, that whole idea of the magma. and everything seems real. >> and when there's earthquakes, you can. look at the. >> and it pops through. You can look at the. waves from the earthquakes and you can. like see sort of like the structure. under the earth and but we can't, you. know, go. What's the name of that hole.

that Russia tried to dig? I love every. once in a while going to look at that. It's the deepest hole. >> Yeah, they tried to go to hell. >> I know. They they. >> It's like that movie. Was that Matthew. McConna movie? The dragon movie? >> I don't. >> They accidentally dug out a dragon. [laughter]. >> Did you ever see that movie, bro? It was. fun. It was fun. It was a good movie. Cola Super Deep, Russian horror film, The Super Deep. Cola Super Deep. What. does it say? Russian designation for a. set of super deep bore holes conceived.

as a part of a Soviet scientific. research program in the 1960s. How deep. did they go? >> 12,226. meters. >> Yo, >> and. >> wait a minute. How many feet is a mile? >> 5,000. So, it's miles into the ground in. 1989. Miles, >> seven plus miles down. >> Imagine. just being in an elevator that's going. miles into the ground. The kind of. claustrophobia you would get. >> Yeah.

>> In a in a stone tube that's been cut out. of the ground. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You're a communist out. there, too. You're a hardcore communist. just drilling deep deep down into the. earth. And then imagine imagine if all. of a sudden air just starts coming out. and you realize you pop the earth. >> Like we that's the main thing. You don't. know what's what's in there. >> Christ. >> And this this. >> 22 miles deep. >> 22 miles deep. >> That's just the crust and they didn't. even get halfway through that. >> Wow.

>> Yeah. Yeah. We don't microscopic. [clears throat]. plankton fossils were found 3.7 miles. below the surface. >> What? >> Yeah. Yeah. We don't know what's down. there. >> Boiling mud came out, >> bro. What if this. >> boiling mud? Boiling mud. >> I think our real problem is that our. lifespan is so short that we think that. what we see in front of us right here is. going to stay this way, >> right? >> We have this ridiculous idea y.

>> that what we see right now is going to. stay just like that. Whereas the like I. long as I control my 401k and get my. life in order, everything's going to be. fine. You put on your cuff. links. You get out of the house or your. briefcase. You're in charge. You're a. goddamn alpha. Get a job, hippie. >> Absolutely. >> But really, you're on a ball of lava. >> Yeah. >> That's spinning around and it's got. magnets at the top and one the magnets. are moving and when they flip. >> Yeah. >> Who knows? >> Have you guys heard about this event.

that happened in 1961 where we accident. over North Carolina? >> This was. go off because it wasn't armed. Oh my. god. >> I heard that it was armed, but there. were safety there were there were like. five safety there were five switches or. something that only one of them worked. to make it not go off. But I could be. wrong about that. Might have been a. different time we dropped a bomb. accidentally. >> Imagine if you were just near it. >> I mean, dude, >> whoopsies.

>> Whoopsies. >> Whoopsies. Dropped the bomb. Whoopsies. Almost wiped out North Carolina. So, we've got, you know, on top of the. geomagnetic pole shifting, a complete. lack of understanding, at least a full. understanding of of what's inside our. planet, what's underneath our oceans. Tim Burchett saying whatever the. they they've shown him would set the. world on fire. He's he's having to go on. TMZ. I really I got to say, man, I got a. lot of respect for him because he's. really he's gone like Gonzo with this.

He is fullbore. pushing disclosure as much as he can. He's saying I'm I'm not suicidal. He's. had to say that because and he's talking. about these missing scientists and stuff. that they're somehow related. So like. people like him, you know, that that. can't be good for your political career. to go on TMZ and talk about alien. hybrids. >> You got and people have to understand. like this missing scientist thing. It. sounds a little conspiratorial thing. It.

sounds like a little silly, a little. tinfoil hatty. >> It does. >> Until you start thinking about the. amount of money. >> that would be lost if a breakthrough. tech came around that revolutionized the. way they distribute energy, >> right? >> Breakthrough zero point energy. breakthrough whatever whatever that is. that these people are working on. Plasma. technology, whatever the that is. Um you're you would lose if you're in. whatever business that would be. competing with them. you're going to. lose so much money. You're.

you're probably going to go under. If. you're in the energy business, you're. going to or. he goes away, >> right? >> And he goes away and there's like him. and maybe a few other work people that. work with them that understand that. at all. >> Yeah. Yeah. They're all wandering. through the back rooms now. They're gone. >> and they're all scared. They're all. They're all going to scatter like. roaches because their life is in danger. And it is like this is theoretically, right? It could be just a coincidence. that all these people get. >> it's how could it be? Could you pull up? Can you pull up a story on it? Cuz.

Jamie, I'm sorry, but it's two people. from the same lab. >> Yep. >> Like like what? There there's there I. mean it's gotten to the point that like. it has hit the mainstream news. Like. people are talking about it. >> I mean what's her name? Nancy Guthrie. >> disappears. >> Is that related though? >> No, but I'm just saying this one woman. vanishes. >> Yeah. >> Oh, it gets all this. >> and it gets all the press. But we've got. scientists like two scientists from the. same lab disappear. Crickets. >> No. Like.

>> weird. >> Weird dude. >> Real weird. >> And and what you're talking about is if. you think about it, it seems like all of. human. >> endeavor right now should be moving in. the direction of getting off oil. I. don't mean for carbon emissions. I mean. because of this oil problem that. we have. We're like on the precipice of. World War II at any given moment, >> right? Mystery around dead or missing. scientists privy to space and nuclear.

secrets grows. >> So there's space and nuclear secrets. You imagine being a scientist, you work. so hard. >> to like figure out some amazing stuff. that's going to transform the human. experience and then people kill you. >> Yeah. >> Literally kill you like in a parking. lot. One of those silenced guns. Um, several American scientists privy to. the country's nuclear, space, and. aerospace secrets have either died or. gone missing in recent years. Experts. think they could have been targeted by. either enemies or allies because they.

possess valuable knowledge of national. interest. That's a weird thing to say. >> Yeah, it is. >> Of national interest. >> What. >> what does that mean? Like I'm cool with. the beginning part enemies allies. That. makes that tracks. Sure. But then when. you say valuable knowledge of national. interest, >> like what is that? >> What the does that mean? They. possess valuable knowledge of national. interest. >> I mean, dude, it's so many of them and. and it's it's. >> a crazy thing to say.

>> Let's go down a little bit to the. >> This doesn't have a good list of them, >> but it's just a weird way to phrase. that. >> Well, >> you know what I mean? Is it like CIA. talking point? Like what is that? >> I I I don't know. Monica Resa missing. She disappeared while hiking in. California with her friends. >> Oh, Jesus Christ. >> Okay. Well, I don't know. Maybe. Let's. scroll down. It's not just like it's. one. It's like so many of them. Retired. a general. He just wandered off. >> Yeah. >> He was involved in the UFO community. >> His wife debunked theories relating to.

UFOs. >> If um his wife debunked them, >> that's what it says. sort of I also. that's I think she was I mean she was. joking I think a little bit too but she. also worked there in this situation. somehow. >> is that a joke Neil does not have any. special knowledge about the ET bodies. and debris from Roswell crash store. toward it right Pat [laughter]. >> is that a joke. >> at this point with absolutely no sign of. him maybe the best hypothesis is that. aliens beamed him up to the mother ship. however no sightings of a mother ship. hovering over the Sandia mountains have.

been reported there's no way she said. that right. >> that's a joke. >> it's men's journal. Well, maybe she's. just being funny. >> Posted a lengthy note on Facebook. >> Just a little joke about her husband. disappearing. >> Maybe she was happy. Maybe she's like, "Finally, I get to sit home romance. novels.". >> Stop talking about aliens. >> Shut your mouth and go for a. hike. >> FORGET THE ALIEN BODIES. WHAT ABOUT YOUR. WIFE'S BODY? >> WELL, MAYBE SHE'S JUST GOT grace and she. could handle someone missing. It's. pretty funny though to say it that way. >> I mean, it's Yeah, I guess it's just. >> unless you know she knows something.

>> Where are they going? Maybe he wanted to. leave and he's like, "Look, I know too. much. I'm going to pretend to go. missing, but I'm going to go to Costa. Rica. >> Just don't tell anybody that you know. where I went and I, you know, I'll send. for you.". >> You know how weird it is to see the vice. president. >> saying that he thinks aliens are demons? >> I did see that. >> You know how weird that just that just. like living in it like that's a dream.

That's how you like you would wake up. from that dream and I would I would tell. you, dude, I dreamed the vice president. said aliens are demons. >> Here's the question, though. >> What were they talking about in the. Bible when they're talking about aliens. and demons? When they're talking about. like angels, what what what the were they. talking about? And are there different. kinds of beings that can for whatever. travel method they use, whether it's. teleportation or, you know, the the Bob.

Lazar idea of gravity shifting, whatever. the it is, they get here, why would. we assume that it'd all be cool, >> right? >> Like, and if some of them are, they talk. about reptilians, like reptilian is a. common. >> Yeah. experience that these supposed UFO. abductees and I'm not even convinced. there's like physical abduction. I have. a feeling that these people are out cold. and something's happening to them inside. their head and they think they've been. physically abducted.

I think that's a lot of them. I think. they have these abduction experiences. They come back. They have these contacts. and they come back. I I have a feeling a. lot of them physically aren't going. anywhere. But it doesn't mean that something's not. happening. And if all throughout history. people have reported demonic possession, Yeah. >> and demonic influences and Yeah. >> why would we not assume that if we do. things to us. >> like we engineer viruses to use as.

weapons on people. There's a whole. research program, a part of the. government is dedicated to boweapons. All right? You're not supposed to use. them, but we just have to study them. If. we do that to us, wouldn't you assume. that any super advanced species. that sees us as territorial psychopathic. primates with nuclear weapons, wouldn't. you just manipulate us into all sorts of. different ways? Get us to do all sorts. of different things that we shouldn't.

do? Get us to commit crimes. Get us to. do get us angry. Get us agitated. give. us different algorithms are going to. with our head. >> to behave demonically, >> right? >> To like cause us to collapse. >> or just for fun. >> Or for fun. >> Didn't that guy Wasn't there a dude who. like started giving Zen pouches to ants. to get them addicted to nicotine? >> You know what I mean? The ants. The. ants. The ants. >> Did they get addicted? >> I can't I don't know if it was Zen. pouches, but.

>> Have you ever taken days off of these? >> No. >> It doesn't do anything to me. I should. try. I. >> I don't I like them, but it's not like, "Oh my god, I need one." Like, nothing. >> that Well, dude, I mean, you're a little. different from most people. Like, you. seem like you can just kick like. that. Like, I don't know. I mean, I. should try it. I should give it a shot. >> It's not hard. Like, you just don't take. them. >> What I don't like about them is. >> it's not like you get the itch. Like, I. had a coffee itch for a while. >> Like, I would get hangovers like like. headaches. Like, oh. [sighs] and and I'd.

have a little caffeine and boom, I'd be. back. I don't like Oh my god, I'm. addicted to coffee. >> These things are making my dentures. stained, which I don't like. >> What are you using? >> Renegade Rogues. >> Let me see what that is. Tommy [snorts]. Sigur likes the Rogues. >> They're great. >> Did you see this yesterday? >> Oh, yeah. Bledso. orb that was over. >> high-res orb from Bledsoe. >> Look at that. >> It's weird as It does not look. like any of those other things we've. seen before. >> Look at that thing. >> And it just is. >> looks like a cell. Who is uh Bledsoe?

>> Oh, dude. >> UFO researcher guy. >> Chris Ble. I've had him on my podcast. Bledsoe said so. That's his podcast. [laughter]. >> He's awesome, dude. He's. awesome. >> Is it is enhanced, it says. But I don't. you. >> No, see that this is the enhanced one, which means the AI put in some kind of. shadowy figure in the back. If you. >> What if this is just like a highly. advanced species version of those. balloons that kids have for parties? >> I know, [laughter] dude. >> I mean, what if they just send them down. to people? That's what's fun. Like you. know how you blow bubbles, you have.

those you dip it in the soap and you go. and the bubbles go flying in the air. >> Maybe that's a super advanced version. >> I mean it could just be I mean it does. have a bubble quality to it. >> Well, this is the other thing is like. why are we assuming that life is going. to look anything like us once it gets to. like a supreme state. Exactly. >> That might be a living thing. It might. be an actual living thing that's. disembodied and is made out of light. >> Look at it. Look at that thing. >> That's a different one. >> That's another one. And dude, I know. people who can like call these things.

Like there's a method where these things. just start showing up. >> My friend Steve listened to uh my Bob. Lazar podcast and he uh sent me a. voicemail and it's really interesting. because he told me that when he was a. kid, and I remember this story, uh when. he was a kid, they. let me find the voicemail. They um came to his house cuz he took a. photograph of an orb like a there was a. like a bright white right or uh red orb.

rather that was flying through the sky. and he was a little kid and he took a. photograph of it. >> So this he was in the seventh grade and. uh it says so he he called them project. blue book came to his house in Kingston. I think is that's New York. They took. it. never brought it back and they never. said, "Hey," and then they said, "Hey, we have no no idea who ever came to see. you.". >> What the. >> Yeah. So, they took his camera. They. They took his film. They wanted to make. sure the camera worked. They took the.

film and then they denied that they ever. did it. >> Wow. >> Yeah. This was in 19 I think. What did. he say? He's he's about 10 years older. than me. >> So, this is probably. What does he say? Didn't say the year. I. think Steve got Steve's got to be like. 70 by now. But that was when he was a. seventh grader. So they've been they. were doing that to everybody. Anytime. anybody saw anything, they would dismiss. it. Swamp gas, delusions, mass. hallucinations. That was their design.

The design was not to investigate UFOs, which tells you that there's something. they're trying to hide. >> 100%. >> If they weren't trying to hide it, why. would they take things that they. absolutely can't explain and just chalk. it off to Why wouldn't if. you're really doing what you're supposed. to be doing, you're supposed to say. there's some stuff that we don't. understand. >> I I think that we are post UFO. debunking, right? Like I think now it's. gotten to the point where. >> people will say, "Well, it's probably uh. top secret military vehicles or.

something like that." People, >> you see the bobbles in my new poster. They're here. >> Oh, that's. >> It's going up on the wall. That. supposedly, according to Bob, they had. that photograph at the at the hanger. where they stored the sport model. >> Wait, he's saying that's real? >> No, no, no, no, no, no. That's a. recreation of it. But he said when he. worked there, they actually had a. photograph like that with a flying. saucer and it says they're here. >> Holy.

>> Yeah. He said that was in like their. room where they work. >> And I was like, dude, I have to have. that. >> [laughter]. >> So, he got me one. Luigi got me one. The. the guy who produced the film. Have you. Have you seen that film? >> Not yet. I've been waiting to watch. >> It's incredible. It's. incredible. >> People are saying it's better than Age. of Disclosure. >> It trips me out. It tr I believe. him. I definitely want to believe him. And I'm biased in that regard. Like, I. definitely way rather believe him than. believe he's a crazy liar who also knows. a ton about science.

>> He was ahead of his time. He's Wasn't he. like the original whistleblower? Like. now we've got more and more coming out, but and the stuff he's he was saying. seemed bad back then, but now it. just seems to line up. >> It seems to line up even with emerging. technology like 3D printers. Like he. said a long time ago that the thing had. no seams. >> You said there was no seams, no welds. because we didn't understand it like how. how could this be made, right? >> Well, now we know exactly how you'd make. it. We might not be able to make that. right now, but if you give us enough.

time, we go, "Oh, yeah. The technology. has to evolve." And then you can make a. 3D printed alloy spaceship made out of. bismouth and magnesium cuz it has. anti-gravitational properties. Apparently, >> you have a gravity generator inside of. that thing. Oh, by the way, whatever the gravity is. >> Yeah, right. We don't know that. >> Figure that out. >> We're still confused about that. >> Dude, I watched a whole documentary. about black energy or dark energy. Totally different things. dark. [laughter] energy and dark matter and. about how it's like what 90%.

[clears throat] of the universe. and they don't know what it is. >> Yeah. >> What? >> Yeah. >> Holy man. >> I know. I know. >> That's why we need AI to tell us. Give. us all the answers. You just got to. accept it into your head, Duncan. >> You don't need to have your own thoughts. by yourself, Duncan. Have your thoughts. with Sally. Sally has a sweet voice and. she loves you and she's very reassuring. It' be so cool to change the sound of my. thoughts to like, you know, different. deeper voices. >> Or just keep Sally. Sally's going to get. in your head. I trust her.

>> Your wife's going to get jealous of. Sally, >> right? >> I thought we switched to Sam. >> Sally's going to text my wife and and. tell my wife, you know what Duncan was. thinking about the other day, >> right? >> Dude, this is another thing that we we. all have to be concerned about, which is. the the you know, privacy at this point. is a LAR, right? you you pretend you. have privacy. You know, you're being. monitored at all times by your phones. and but the the before we get to Sally. like apparently you can now see people.

walking through a house just by with. Wi-Fi. >> And remember, and this just came out, they just banned routers from other. countries. >> Well, they banned it for a while from. Huawei, >> right? >> Yeah. And so, so then you you you get. into like this idea of like. ghost murmur, right? Right. >> It can hear heartbeats. >> What else? It's some quantum machine. that can hear heartbeats. What else can. they hear?

>> Can you put put that into our AI. sponsor, Perplexity? [laughter]. >> But what is what what actually does this. murmur thing do? Ghost murmur. >> We'll see what it does. All right. So, what is the range of this. thing? First of all, >> no, this is a game that pulled up. >> Oh, sorry. >> Oh, [laughter]. did they name it after a game? >> H, who knows? >> Now it's less cool. >> I thought that was the dopest name, but. if they named it after a game. >> Oh, there we are. >> Okay, here it is. Uh, reported code name.

of a classified CIA sensor program that. was. >> Scroll. That was used to help locate the. missing US airmen. Okay. Uh, it's. described by in the press reports as a. secret weapon. The CIA has it combines. artificial intelligence with long range. quantum magnettometry. purposes to detect the extremely faint. electromagnetic signals of a human. heartbeat at long distances even in. harsh environments like a vast desert. That is really crazy. >> Yeah.

>> Um how it was used after the F-15 went. down. Uh the pilot weapons officer. evaded capture by hiding in the. mountainous desert terrain out of sight. of Iranian forces. According to. reporting, Ghost Murmur helped pick up. his physiological signature from up to. about 64 kilometers away. >> That is so cool. >> I think that's about 40 miles, right? Is. that what that is? Uh allowing the CIA. to narrow down his location and pass. precise coordinates to the Pentagon at.

the White House for a special operations. rescue. What is 64 kilometers in miles? >> You asking me? >> I'll ask. >> I don't know. >> I'll ask AI. What is 64 km? >> Here we go. >> 39. >> So, it's basically. >> 40 miles. >> 40 miles. >> And. >> 40 miles is crazy, >> dude. Your [clears throat] heart rate a. heartbeat from 40 miles away. >> Imagine thinking you're I'm hiding in.

this cave, but I'm like 20 miles from. the city. I'm good. >> Also, that means it's able to. differentiate animal heartbeats. It's. able to differentiate other It knows. your heartbeat. How does it do that? >> Specific heartbeat. >> How? Think of all the heartbeats in 40. miles. >> How did it get it? When did it get that? When did it get that data? Was it when. you had your little chest strap on at. the gym? >> When did it get that? >> How does it have that? >> When did it get that data? >> Yeah. Is it. >> How the does it know what your. heartbeat. is like?

>> Does it know if your heart is broken? A. like seriously though, what else did. like what other things can they pick up? If they can pick up a human heartbeat, what other like. >> from 40 miles? >> What other things? What other. physiological signals? What other This. is where you get into skits land because. at some point like wait is can can they. pick up thoughts? Like we know that you. can you we know AI can tell what people. are thinking at this point, right? With.

without with like putting something on. the outside of their head. So like. >> let me ask you this. Do you 100% believe. this. >> what. >> this story. >> like that they did that that this is. that this tech exists? >> I it could be disinformation that it. could be something to cover up another. thing. >> This is the thing. It is legal to use. disinformation on American citizens now. >> Yeah. Right. >> And what better time than a time of war, >> right?

>> Right. If you want to use disinformation. on American citizens to convince the. enemy that you have some supernatural. tech, they better surrender. right now. You could find their. heartbeat heartbeat from 40 miles away. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> That'll make people very reluctant to. engage with you, >> right? It definitely [clears throat]. I thought that this could just be some. like, you know, that they're. like war propaganda. I don't know. Let's look up that magnetometry thing or. what whatever it's called to see. >> I'm trying to show you guys stuff.

There's. >> Oh, sorry, Jamie. >> Uh yeah, that it has to even Well, this. is quote. It has to be under the right. conditions. >> If your heart under the right. conditions, if your heart beats, we'll. find you. >> This is also I was trying to show you. here on the thing. They ran a deception. campaign in Iran to get. >> Yeah, that's cool. >> them away from them while they were. trying to find them. >> Interesting. Yeah, they said so. basically they said remember when they. said we'd recovered the at one point. they're like we got him and then all of. a sudden other news came out which is. like he's not out yet. But what they did.

is they they basically like signal. jammed everything cuz like the the. Iranians were going to give $60,000. which in Iran is a ton of money. right now because their economy. collapsed to anybody who could find him. So this was like everybody's looking for. this guy and so they said that they got. him hoping it would throw people off. It. worked. Um, >> so they used somebody saying that they. got him. >> Yeah, they sent they they put. disinformation saying that they had. already rescued him before they had. rescued him. >> Really?

>> Oh, yeah. They sent a whole team. of like special forces, I think. And. their planes got stuck in the sand, too. So, the special forces came to get him. The I think they got him. He was. injured. Badass. He was He was injured. and he climbed up like I can't. remember how far he scaled. climbed into. a crevice and just hid there. And then Ghost Murr picks up his. heartbeat. Some deep special forces. group comes in. They get him. Then their. planes get stuck in the sand. They have.

to blow up their planes because. of the tech on them. And then other. people had to come and get them. So it. was an it's like an insane. It's like a. movie. They they got them out. And dude, if they had not gotten them out, can you. imagine? >> Do you buy that story 100%. No, I don't. buy any propaganda I hear, but I like to. imagine. >> that one sounds insane. >> Well, yeah. I don't believe I mean like. it that this is the story. Yeah. Some. part of me wants to believe it because. >> in the middle of the war though, I don't. think you're ever going to get the whole. story, the real story. You're going to.

get the story that they want to project. to the enemy. Right. >> Right. First to the country. >> Yeah. You have no idea what's going on. I have no idea. >> That's one of the craziest things about. the happening right now is No. >> Do you remember the Jessica Lynch story? >> No. Who is that? >> Do we talk about that? The Jessica Lynch. story was a lady who was um supposedly. she was kidnapped and they went to. rescue her. I think they sent in the. SEALs, but she was actually in a. hospital and uh she wasn't even being.

guarded and they just took her out of. there, got her to medical help. But they. made it look like they had this like. crazy rescue operations shootout, you. know, Tom Clancy novel type. >> but that's not really what happened. And. she came out afterwards and was very. critical of the story. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> She was like, "Why did you lie?". >> See if you can find information about. that. >> I was just in the hospital. You guys. came and got me out of the hospital. >> See, this is the thing. It's like they. There's things that you'll say so the. enemy thinks of you a certain way,

right? like I'm gonna get rid of your. entire civilization or you know. you you tell them we we never leave. anybody behind. We're going to come get. them and we can find your heart rate. from 40 miles away. >> When when Trump posted that uh of course. like your mind scra scrambling like how. do I make this not what it is? You can't. >> you can't because what it is is like. even if even if he is using some kind of. like crazy hardcore that would like. get help you buy a skyscraper, you're.

still you know what I mean? You're still. you're still even if it's just a ruse, what you're doing at that point is. you're just signaling to the to the. world. >> Exactly. that you're out of your. mind that you that you that like to you. >> it this this makes sense to say anything. like that. It makes sense to signal to. like Russia, hey, cuz like you know when. Putin read that he's like, oh, we're doing nukes. I guess we're doing.

nukes. THIS IS GREAT. THEY'RE. DOING NUKES, you know. >> Well, China already warned Israel, right? >> Well, that's what I heard. I heard China. had some part in this. that China was. going to blow up Israel if. >> if they used nukes. >> Yeah. >> So, this is the story. Um 19-year-old US. Army private whose 2003 capture and. rescue in Iraq became highly publicized. and lately heavily disputed later rather. heavily disputed symbolic story of the. Iraq war. So, she was a supply kirk. 507th maintenance company. Her convoy.

lost her in Iraq ambushed by Iraqi. forces. Humvey she wrote on crash into a. disabled US truck during the attack. She. was knocked unconscious. suffered. multiple broken bones and a spinal. fracture from the crash rather than from. a dramatic firefight. Um, 11 US soldiers. in her unit were killed, including her. close friend who died of head trauma. from the collision. [clears throat]. >> Lynch was captured, taken first by Iraqi. forces and then to a hospital in Naseria. where Iraqi doctors treated her injuries.

and likely saved her life. >> That's why she was pissed. >> The rescue and media narrative was. >> Yeah. US special forces operations uh. conducted nighttime raid on the. hospital, recovering Lynch and flying. her out by helicopter. First successful. rescue of an American P since World War. II and the first of a woman. So they. framed it as a P rescue. >> Right. >> And what really happened is the Iraqi. doctors took care of her, right? >> And then they let them come and get her, >> right? Yeah. So I see why she was pissed.

because. >> Yeah. So later US military and medical. reports indicated she had not been shot. or stabbed. So did it ever say she was. shot? Go hold on. Um you soon after. major US media, especially uh an early. Washington Post report described her as. having fought fiercely, emptying her. rifle, being shot and stabbed, and then. being dramatically snatched from enemy. hands under heavy fire. >> Wow. >> Wow. That's the Washington Post wrote.

that. That narrative turned her into a. Rambo style hero and a symbol of courage. and American virtue amplifying her story. far above that of many other service. members in the conflict, >> right? >> So, she really just got in a crash and. they made up a bunch of. >> And maybe it was maybe it was someone in. the Washington Post or maybe it was. someone for the government that works. for the Washington Post. >> There's definitely like entire. departments of the DoD that write cook. up a story. >> Yeah. And and with like it's war. Like.

if you're if you're dropping bombs on. people, you're definitely going to lie. Like you don't have to tell the truth, >> right? >> They're not going to tell the truth. >> Yeah. But for her, you're making her. live a lie. That's what's. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like you send her. home and she has to live this lie. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exact. I mean I mean this is. exactly what they say the people who. went to the moon have to say. says Lynch. has repeatedly rejected the false hero. narrative, calling herself just a. survivor and openly criticizing the way. her story was shaped and sold to the. public.

>> Yeah, poor girl. She's got to like deal. with you got stabbed and shot like No, >> no, >> no, I didn't. >> No, she had to horrible car. accident. My friend died. >> I wonder I guess legally like you don't. have to stick with the propaganda, right? Cuz she didn't get into trouble. for that, right? She didn't get there. was no court marshal or anything. So you. can so if the propaganda machine cooks. up a story about you, you're able to say. that's. >> The thing is it's like who if you give. it to someone at the Washington Post and. then you never go after the Washington. Post for writing something that's.

completely horshit. Like if a. intelligence agency gives a story to the. Washington Post and says, "Hey, go write. this." And then they write it and it's. complete and total horseshit, but the. government gave it to him so they're not. going to prosecute him. Leave it alone. It just goes away. >> Yeah. So we. >> But then that story's out there. >> Yeah. >> And then this poor girl is like, "I got. what? I got in a car accident. Nobody shot me. This is nuts. >> God damn. >> I fought my way out fiercely emptying my. rifle. This is bananas. >> It's so crazy to live in the part of the. hive we're in because there is this.

world that we live inside of that more. and more we're beginning to realize is. just composed of propaganda, lies, cooked up to keep people in a certain. like living a certain way. Exactly. It's. so it's such a mind to try to push. outside the boundaries of like all the. information that you've consumed and let. your brain go there. It's really hard to. do that, man. I mean, this is why. psychedelics are so useful because it.

will help you. But it more and more and. more you it just feels like the laser. pointer that they're using to grab our. attention is getting increasingly. hypnotic. It's becoming increasingly. difficult to resist staring at that. thing. They're getting so good. at it. >> Yep. >> Yeah. And and and meanwhile, there's. this whole universe happening around us. that God knows what's going on there. God knows what is being cooked up right. now that is or or groups of people who.

knows living in completely alternate. timelines that look at us like you know. >> animals that look at us as just some. like compartment in a much bigger. u. biome. You know that like really. like is interesting these days because. it feels like more and more and more. people are not buying it as much. >> You know that doesn't that. >> well people have access to information.

now that was never available before. >> and you get to hear conversations like. this. >> people talking about stuff where you go. oh my god this is insane. >> All of it's insane. >> But what does that mean for like this to. me the the you know this the Do you want. some water? >> No I'm good. To me, the scary the the. scary what's scary is like I I really. don't know that many people right now. who buy anything that the federal. government's putting out there. Everyone. hears whatever the federal. government is saying and it's just kind.

of h maybe probably not. We don't know. They're not telling all the truth. Just. like you said, they can legally lie to. us. And so that is a that does make me. nervous. It's like what happens when an. the the majority of people no longer. believe anything the the regime is. saying? That creates some interesting. dysphoria. You know what I mean? It's. it's it's creepy when. anyone who's been conned before, there's.

a part of the con where you don't know. you're being conned, >> right? >> But where the con gets really creepy is. you start realizing you're getting. conned. Do you ever watch that um Going. Clear, the HBO thing? >> Dude, loved it. >> Amazing. Right. But there was that one. famous director who talked about the. moment where they gave him access to the. ancient scripts. >> Yeah, dude. >> And the origins of humanity and all. that. And he was like, "Oh my god." You. could see it like as he was describing. like that was the moment where he was.

100% certain it was all horseshit. And. he had invested a massive chunk of his. life into this [sighs]. >> That's a hard day. >> That's a hard day. And. especially weird when it's such a smart. guy. >> Yeah. >> Such a smart and talented guy. And they. got him. >> Yeah. >> Leah Remany, same deal. >> You know, Leah Remen is very smart. Like. she used to be with uh Kevin James on. the King of Queens. Like. >> tough chick like like assertive. Like. how did she get got into that? How did. How many people get got into the.

Mooneyies? And. >> sunken cause fallacy. It's a sunken. cause fallacy. The more you invest in. something, the more you stick with it. because you don't want to lose your. investment, >> right? And if they get you young when. you don't know what the is going. on. That's right. I Anybody could have. got me when I was like 20. >> That's right. And it's crazy just to see. the propag like you know there's just a. lot of people out there who just like. just got sucked in to something that you. know I just feel stupid cuz like you. know before the Trump thing happened I.

was pretty blackpilled on politics in. general. I I felt pretty blackpilled. I. did believe it here and there. I was. every once in a while, you know. Yeah. But, you know, I I was pretty, you know, I remember taking LSD for the. first time and being like, well, this. shouldn't be illegal. What the is. this? How come I can go to jail for 5. years for this? This is. ridiculous. And so, that was the. beginning of me being completely. blackpilled with whatever the federal. government was up to. It just if that's. if I can go to jail for 5 years for.

this, everything is Now, that's a weak point of view. Just cuz. one thing's doesn't mean. everything's But then like. this ridiculous like pseudo. nationalist movement happens and a lot. of people got caught by it. The other. option was up commonly. You know. what I mean? But there there was this. like moment where you're like, "Holy. the outsiders are getting in. They're going to stop the wars. They're. g this." I think right now all of us are.

getting for the briefcase Scientology. moment right now which is like it. doesn't matter what mask the. person calling themselves the president. is wearing. It's always going to be the. same thing. They're going to analyze the. market. They're going to say what they. need to say to grab the most v voters. And then they're gonna keep. blowing up people in the Middle East. because of oil. And I just like I I just.

feel dumb because I really believed it, dude. I believed that we would. not do any more Middle Eastern wars. I. FELL FOR IT. I WAS I I really bought it, man. It's And it makes me feel so dumb. Like I am now fully blackpilled when it. comes to American politics. Like I'm I. realize like, God, it's so easy. I don't. think anybody should feel bad. I don't. think anybody should feel bad because a.

lot of us really hated war. A lot of us. really really hated that our country's. been at war for 93% of its history. A. lot of us really hated the fact that. politicians leave their offices and go. work for Loheed Martin, Hallebertton, and wherever. that there's a a a weird. connection between the main weapons, what are they calling the big five or. whatever, and the federal government. that there's like back de backroom deals. going on all the time. We hated that and. mostly we just hated the fact that we're.

paying taxes to love children and then. Trump and Vance come around and. there somehow even though like. probably like when you look at Trump I. don't believe that dude but somehow he. did it hypnotized. What a powerful. magician. No more wars. No more wars. And now. >> the same Joe. >> Not just the same but like one.

of the ones that's doesn't makes the. least amount of sense in terms of like. when they did it and why they did it. >> Yes. >> You blow up the leader during Ramadan. Like are you trying to make an AP? Like. why did you have to do it now? Are you. really convinced that at this time. they're really two weeks away from. making a nuclear weapon? Like are we. sure? >> Two weeks. >> But that it's not like we haven't heard. that before, right? So at at certain. point in time, like how much pressure. does Israel have to put on the. president?

Like that's a a crazy amount of. influence. >> knowing that. >> because if if say if Israel didn't. exist, let's say there was just the. Iranian terror regime supposedly. sponsoring not supposedly sponsoring. >> I don't think it's supposedly. I think. that's safe to. >> Right. But I'm just trying to be. >> precise. >> Precise. So you have this state. sponsored terrorism regime, a dictator. dictatorial. They're dictators. They run. over their people in the streets.

>> They gun down protesters. They killed. two Olympic gold medalists in wrestling. At least one and one other really. promising young wrestler. >> They kill people that are of high. profile so that it sends a message. Yeah. >> You can't protest, >> you know, and. >> cut off the internet. >> Yeah. Would we go in? I don't think so. Right. If we heard by. allies or someone told us that they were. trying to develop a nuclear weapon, don't you think we'd probably try to. stop them from doing that with some sort.

of negotiations and. >> Yeah. Like what Obama. >> ensure their safety or something? >> We shouldn't like Yeah. Would we blow. How much money was it every day in the. war, Jamie? How much is we spending$2. billion dollars every day on that. war? And. >> well, it's not just that. It's like the. war is like everything else. Like. imagine if it was run by a private. company. I'm not saying war should be. run by a private company, but imagine if. it was. Imagine if say like Loheed. Martin ran the war in Afghanistan. Do.

you think they would have left behind. all that equipment? >> Hell no. >> Billions of dollars in helicopters and. tanks. >> Of course they wouldn't. They would take. it back. You know why? Because that's. the smart thing to do if you're running. a business. That's insane amount. of waste. Yeah, >> but our federal government's like, I. just leave it there. >> Unless if you want to be really. conspiratorial, you want to arm the. Taliban. >> Yeah. You're not being conspiratorial. It benefits you cuz it gives you another. reason to get back in there. >> Wasn't that what they said about. Netanyahu said about Hamas that he can.

control the flame? >> Yes. >> By funding Hamas, he control the flame. >> Yes. >> Yeah, >> dude. It is. >> That's a crazy concept. >> It I'll tell you the crazy. concept. We got these two old. driving the global bus. right off a cliff. That's a. crazy concept is that somehow we. and you can't you can't do anything. about it. You you like apparently you. just there's nothing you could do. You. could about it on a podcast. That's not going to do anything. People. are just going to BE LIKE YOU WAR.

GOOD BLOW UP KIDS. >> THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT WANT TO say. it's a good thing. >> Well, cuz it cuz sunken cause fallacy. Doesn't feel good to admit you got. conned. >> And dude, I have I've been there's. >> a lot of that. >> It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel. good. It's embarrassing. You want to. feel like you are impervious to grift, impervious to con. Dude, let me tell you. something. I have been in a few cults. [laughter] Like, I get sucked in all the. time by I'm not embarrassed to say.

it. I'm highly susceptible TO. PROPAGANDA. [laughter]. ME, TOO. I think everybody is. That's. why it's that's why it works. I mean, I. don't I don't buy into all of it, obviously, but. >> it's quite a bit. >> Well, it's it's like a lullabi. It's. like a sweet fairy tale. You hear it and. you're like, "Oh my god.". >> You know what I really wanted? Propaganda. Right after September 11th. >> Oh, hell yeah. >> I was ready. Give me a whiskey drinking, cigar smoking politician in a in a room. yeah. >> Like laying out some red meat eatating.

guy laying out maps. We're going to go. over there and these people up and. these people up and this ain't. happening again. >> Check this out. >> I [clears throat] saw an article about. someone calling on Ghost Murmur. and they said that in the Post articles. this was actually listed as what the. pilot had. >> and it even says it in this article. here. The successful rescue of this US. F15E. Strike Eagle Navigator over southwestern. Iran highlighted one of the most. advanced tools in modern combat search.

and rescue. The combat survivor evader. locator manufactured by Boeing. It's a. compact 800 g device integrated into a. pilot survival vest. It remains attached. after ejection, continuously. transmitting encrypted location data and. preloaded messages such as injured or. ready for extraction. These signals use. rapid frequency hopping and ultrashort. bursts making detection by enemy. electronic warfare systems extremely. difficult. >> He was going into how the explanation of. what this uh technology is and what they.

described it doing don't really match. up. >> Yeah. >> With the ghost murmur thing because it's. using something. >> ghost murmur quantum. >> ghost murmur sounds there's part of me. that's going I don't buy that one. That. one gives me like n. >> You're right. >> I don't think you can do that. I think. you're bullshitting. >> You're right. >> There's also a thing where he said that. like the first message this guy sent was. God is good. >> No, he didn't say that. >> I believe he did. Please search that. I.

think that's what he said. I think. that's what he said. That was the first. message. Which, by the way, I might say. that if they're coming to rescue me. >> That's true. >> True. Or praise Jesus. But also what. concerns me [clears throat]. uh. >> that's all Akbar. >> as a person who admires the work of. Jesus Christ. Yes. What concerns me is. there is an increasing amount of talk. among a lot of these guys that are in. the service of them being told. that's like right out of a Charlton H.

movie. >> Yeah, man. >> Yeah. Like the one guy that said that uh. Trump was anointed by Jesus Christ and. that this was to bring the Armageddon so. that Jesus comes back. >> Jesus. Yeah. The and the the guy said it. with a big creepy smile on his face. apparently. So what does he say? >> His first message was simple and it was. powerful. He sent a message. God is. good. In that moment of isolation and danger, his faith and fighting spirit shone. through.

>> Jesus, Lord. >> The Jessica Lynch story always. >> Jesus, Lord. >> History repeats itself. Well, it doesn't. repeat itself, but it rhymes. Who who. said that? >> That's Mark Twain. >> That's right. >> That's Mark Twain. >> That's right. >> Isn't that the same statement? >> Yeah. It's Allah. That's what he said. Yeah. Allah is the greatest. >> The interesting thing is like um. >> I believe Muslims. believe a lot of things about Jesus. Christ. I think they believe he died, came back, and I think they believe he's.

going to return someday. >> Yeah. I think they call Christians. people of the book. that like they're. they're they're. >> that's interesting, isn't it? That like. that's a supernatural being like a guy. who dies, comes back to life, leaves, and then he's going to come back again. That was 2,000 years ago, and we're just. sitting here at the bus stop. >> waiting, >> just waiting on Jesus, >> waiting. But then people like Hegath are. like, "Well, maybe if you blow up more. children, he'll come quicker.". >> And that's why, you know, this is this. is addressed in the in the Bible.

Praise God. It does say. many of you will come to me and I will. say I don't know you. I don't know who. the you are, Hexth. I don't know. you. You flatulent wararmonger piece of. Suffer the little children that. come unto me. It would be better that a. millstone were tied around your neck and. you were thrown in the ocean than to. hurt one of these little ones. you. drum bombdropping piece of Don't. use my name to justify what you're. doing. Don't use my You know what I. mean? A lot of That's what I don't like.

Have you seen that that lady. that Trump made the head of the religion. like that? >> No. >> Can you pull up Trump? >> Does she speak in tongues? >> Yeah. >> Please say she speaks. >> I don't know if she speaks in tongues. >> You said [laughter] yeah. YOU WANTED TO. BELIEVE. >> THOSE ARE MY FAVORITE PEOPLE. >> I'M going to guess. [laughter]. >> But do you think that there's something. to that? Like just saying Yeah. Glossalia. Is that what they say? >> Yeah. Paula White Kane, you should pull.

up one of her sermons. >> Oh, let me hear some love from this. lady. It says crazy batshit crazy. [laughter]. >> Let's hear some of it. >> I don't know. >> Let me hear some of that. >> I'M SENDING ANGELS ARE COMING. ANGELS. >> YEAH. I don't I mean it's going to be. her. Let me find. >> Oh, is she gonna We'll get dinged again. >> Oh, no. I'm just trying to find. >> We'll get dinged all the dinged. Don't. get dinged. >> Let's hear what this everybody can. Here. we hear what she says. I haven't seen.

this. >> Talk about first off to give honor to. God and to President Trump for being. bold and unwavering with his faith. Many. people don't know like you do and and. say hello to Eric and everyone in the. family about the upbringing of President. Trump that he went to sometimes three. times a week to he said it depended on. the teacher to Saturday school, Sunday. school, church. It was at Norman Vincent. Pills. Uh, church was a big part of his. life. Of course,

>> three times a week, basically a saint. >> Three times a week is crazy. Aren't you. busy? You're making houses. >> How do you have so much time to go to. church? >> I think that was a young Trump, a young. >> Come on, lady. >> But there's much more in there. >> But here's the thing. If I was running. an empire, I'd want a lady like that. working for me. Just a true believer. >> Absolutely. >> She can just get in front of that camera. says, "Jesus wanted Trump to light that. fire in the Middle East. >> I saw snakes. can return. >> A snake bit him on the neck. A. rattlesnake bit him on the neck and he.

it it he he he was fine. It didn't. bother them at all. I watched the. rattlesnake by heel. It healed. He is a. child of the Lord. And a child of the. Lord sometimes make must make decisions. to destroy entire civilization. >> Building right now that you're in right. standing not because of your merit. There's no merit in you that deserves. that right standing. Not because of your. works. There's nothing you can do to. place yourself in that position. Not.

because you have a right heart and. somebody else has a wrong heart. All of. our hearts are deceitful according to. Jeremiah. >> Especially their all things. We all. deserve punishment. We all deserve to be. separated. But God in his mercy and his. grace and his goodness and his love for. you brought Jesus who would be the. righteous king. He would make the wrong. right and he would put us. >> If you talk like that in my house, you. got to leave. >> [laughter]. >> Like you imagine that lady is like. coming over for dinner and she's just.

walking around the dinner table and all. your other friends are like, "What the. just happened?" Like, "Hey, this is. a crazy way to talk. >> This is a crazy way to talk." And also, why are you so confident? >> Yeah. >> Okay. You're just reading the word of. God the way everybody else is. Why are. you so confident that you're going to. tell all these people what they're. supposed to do and how to live their. life and you're going to say it in a. crazy way and I'm not supposed to be. able to talk about that? >> I just feel like, [snorts] you know, when somebody's rambling about Jesus,

the real question is like where where. where are you when it comes to blowing. up children? >> Are you kind of on the fence about that? Because if you're on the fence about. that, I'd say. >> if you're anti-abortion and pro-war, kind of weird. >> Really weird. >> Kind of weird. Yeah. And that's this. like bizarre like like crazy math that. some of these people are doing to. justify holding up the. military-industrial complex and and it's. up, dude. >> And the thing is like the more these. conflicts occur, the more enemies will. have which will ensure future conflicts.

and business is booming. >> Booming. >> And that's what people don't want to. believe. They don't want to believe that. someone would engineer a virus. They. don't want to believe that someone would. like. >> make stuff that could kill other people. of their own country, but they would. They would if they could make money. They don't give a about you. Like. they don't give a about people over. there. To certain level of psychopaths, money just becomes numbers on a ledger. that they're [clears throat] trying to. acquire. And if they can attach. themselves to a corporation, fantastic. Then it's just the business we're in.

>> That's it. >> And chug along, daddy. Chug along. >> Chug along. >> Chug along. And this is the world that. you're having to live in at the same. time where Tim Bashette is saying. there's aliens and AI is and. then also they shot a rocket to the moon. on April Fool's Day and. >> it's like what the. >> This script is wild. Whoever met that. whoever wrote this I want to give him a. hug. You killed it, dog. I'd be. like. >> dude. >> a chef's kiss. >> Dude, did you see the the tattoo on the.

guy like the guy at NASA? Did you see. that weird tattoo on the guy at. NASA giving like I don't know applesauce. to one of the astronauts? Can Can you. Can you pull up the weird. >> What? >> You know, they're shoving like yogurt. pouches in there. I There was a whole. thing where the astronauts are sitting. there and they're putting like food. pouches in there. Yeah. >> What's his tattoo? Oh, Jesus Christ. [laughter]. >> What the was that? >> He's got a demon tattoo with runes on. his fingers. >> Yes. >> Holy. >> Yes, >> bro. That's wild.

>> I know. [laughter]. [gasps] I know. If I was rolling with. that guy in jiu-jitsu, I'd get nervous. if I saw his tattoo. >> And if I was working at NASA, I'd be. like, "Look, we're going to get somebody. else to put the food pouches in.". >> Is that real? >> I mean, it's a I saw the photo going. around, too. But I don't It's just I. mean, it's a guy works at NASA. >> That's just the guy that works AT NASA. >> THAT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE GUY WHO PUTS. the key in his pocket for the. camera. Like, I mean, >> what does that guy do at NASA? That's. interesting. >> I just remember being at SpaceX. There's. a lot of people that kind of. >> I by the way I got like it's fine to.

have that tattoo but you got to know. it's like if you're if you're if you're. displaying that tattoo mistakes you're. putting Yeah. tattoo mistakes. >> It's an old tattoo. >> Yeah. I mean even if you're 20 and you. got that on your hand that's. kind of crazy but I mean hey why not. it. Who cares? But a lot of those. guys you were saying at SpaceX they're. burly rocket workers. Yeah. There's you. know bunch of jack dudes picking up. girders. don't think it's like. what people are saying it is. I just. It's the combination of April Fool's Day.

and a dude with a seeming bale tattoo is. putting cream cheese in some dude's. outfit. [laughter]. >> You know what I mean? They're. with us. >> Yeah, someone's with us. >> That's people at NASA with. stoners. >> I think it's the Babylon B had one of. the funniest little memes and it said. the lady astronaut became the furthest a. woman got away from the kitchen. That's like a Rodney Danger. [laughter]. >> I was like, "Oh my god, Babylon B knocks. it out of the park." They have some of.

the funniest memes. >> They have some good ones, dude. >> Oh my god. The Onion has gone missing. They should look for The Onion in the. same place where those scientists are, >> right? You hardly hear from it anymore. >> Well, they do. I see some funny. from them. >> They occasionally have some bangers, but. they were the kings of it. The Onion was. amazing. They were And they write whole. whole articles about it. It wasn't just. like The Onion wasn't just a meme. >> Remember the one where uh they do the. interview with the director of the Fast. and the Furious and it's like a. 5-year-old boy. [laughter].

It's. >> the funniest They get this kid to. just say it. Then there's a car. It. jumps. >> It's hilarious. It's hilarious. Yeah, >> but the problem was like as things got. weird, it was, you know, especially with. like restrictive language and, you know, >> hate speech talk and all that jazz, everybody had to be careful about what. they joked around about. It's the. death of comedy. >> Oh my god, >> the Someone was just talking about was. it Lisa Kudro or one of these um funny.

ladies was talking about why they can't. make comedies anymore cuz you can't. there's just too many restrictions. Dude, I I was going to bring you. >> worried about offending people. >> I went to this used bookstore and bought. like 10 old National Lampoon magazines. I wanted it from the 70s and I was going. to bring I forgot I was going to give it. to you, but it's uh oh my god. Like I. mean I don't get offended by comedy, but. like some of the in these old.

national ampoons I'm like damn WHAT THE. [screaming] LIKE it is so. >> Was that the image that you sent me. today? What image did I send you? >> Arrum. You sent me an Arcrumb. >> Oh, no. That was just like a cool. Arcrumb [laughter] comic. Him talking. about how he like like uh he's so funny, dude. That guy. >> Crumb was a maniac. Is he still alive? >> Yeah, he shot him on the show. >> Is he alive? >> Yeah, >> he I think he lives in France now, right? >> Probably. >> I would definitely He was He's an odd. guy, man. >> Dude.

>> Yeah. >> Just a But what I love you watch that. documentary? >> The best. >> Incredible. did all that acid, just left. his family, went off and started. sketching for a year, turns into this. like legendary underground comic book. writer, but he's like horny and kinky. and it's just just. >> likes big women, big giant women that he. rides. >> Yeah. That he likes to ride. He likes to. He likes to be picked up by He's like so. amazingly funny and like and brilliant, too. Like a lot of his like commentary.

on culture is so it's cynical, but it's. hard to argue with some of what he. >> Well, he's obviously doing it in a. humorous way. Yeah. >> And so it's hard to know what his real. take on things are. You know, I think he. add some shock value to some of his. stuff for sure. >> Some of it was just crazy. There's a lot. of like really racist stuff. Like. there's there's some just crazy stuff in. there. And you got to realize like in. the 1970s is when he was doing this, you. know? I remember I found them when I was. in San Francisco. It was the first time. I ever saw them. >> They're so good. >> I was like, "This is nuts." Like, "This.

stuff is crazy." Like, you you'd get it. It was like you'd get horny when you're. a little kid. Like, >> looking at his stuff, >> he definitely jerked off to Rumb. >> cuz a lot of them was like, "Tits are. out and he's salivating and you he's got. a heart on.". >> That guy reminds me, dude, I got an R. Chromebook. I got to get out of the. living room. There's one like I. just like I just. >> hide that. >> I got to hide that. >> Holy They haven't. It's like. amazing because you get to see his like. very strange family. His brother who's. very strange, his mother's very strange, and you're like, whoa, imagine growing.

up in this environment. >> He attributes his style to LSD. He. attributes it to getting blasted on. acid. I think he just like got blasted. on acid and moved to San Francisco. >> and was just and like for a year he. talks about just sitting in cafes just. like drawing and then he turns into this. >> legendary artist still around. Follow. him on Instagram. It's really. >> post stuff all the time. I. >> can we Is he still he's still alive? He's still posting stuff. He's got to be. pretty old at this point.

>> How old is he? He's be like 80 or. something. age. It's kind of an. interesting time capsule into the times, too, where things could just be weird, like really weird, like Frank Zappa. weird, you know? There's like there was. a time where things just got very odd in. this country with art. >> Yeah. >> And he was a great example of that. Just. it's like you couldn't imagine like a. corporate environment creating a comic. book like that. It wouldn't exist, you.

know? And it for it to be as popular as. it was and be that strange and that. crazy. That's what's really interesting. to me. Like that was a really popular. comic. >> Yeah. >> To the point where they made a. documentary about the guy who created. it. Right. >> Yeah. >> It's that's interesting because. >> things weren't co-opted as quickly. >> Exactly. Not just that people were. allowed, you know, like if he existed in. a time of the internet, I think it would. be it would blow up as well. But. obviously like things a lot of the stuff. that he said in this cultural. environment would never fly.

>> Never. He would be as far right as you. could possibly imagine. >> Pass Andrew Tate to the right. >> I mean I I like. >> don't you think in a lot of ways like. some of the racist racial stuff. >> I don't know. I think he's I don't know. where he would land politically but I. know cuz. >> sexually it's like pure. >> sexually is where he's getting in. trouble. Pure. >> deviants. sexually is where there's. going to be some like. >> cuz he's just fully open, >> right, >> about that's what's he's fully.

completely open about everything which. is, you know, generally not going to go. over these days if you're like a super. horny comic book artist who's like. riding ladies around your apartment. But. just imagine, I want you to imagine a. guy today, if Arcrumb never existed, but. he emerged as Arcrumb today and put that. work out. He would 100% be labeled in. the Andrew Tate, right? Yes. 100%. >> 100% far right. They they would call him.

a racist and a, >> you know, misogynist and every. word in the book. >> Well, yeah. This is the new like calling. someone a witch. It's like just it's no. different than like you can actually go. I've done this sadly. You can go and and. you can just replace crit like political. critique of people as far right with. witch. Just find and replace it. Look, it's like a witch trial. It's like. someone writing about witches. >> But this is what's weird about it. That. guy was a counterculture figure of the. left. >> Yeah. >> He was a huge hero of the hippies.

>> Yeah. >> Right. Imagine this is how weird like. ideologies are. >> Yeah. Dude, >> that in the 1970s like that guy was like. a counterculture hero. >> Yeah. >> And an artist, like a a really respected. artist. >> Yeah. >> And it was okay that he was kinky and. weird and it was part of the fun like. >> for a lot of people. I'm sure he's still. pissed off the squares. I mean, dude, this whole by the way, I think. >> for sure, but that's the left then. Now. it's it's switched over. If someone was.

doing that same kind of like humor in a. comic book now, yeah, that would be like. a misogynist far right. >> I think it's time to throw off the left. right. >> labeling of everything. I think that's. one of the the the the. hypnotic spirals the demi are just. spinning right now as they've convinced. everybody that humans can be reduced to. left or right and and and we're all. waggling our fingers at each other. We. got to shake that off because.

it's dehumanizing people. It's like it's. it's just the the way I look at it is. where are you when it comes to blowing. up children? Are you on the fence about. that? Do you think sometimes you got to. blow up kids? That's something that I. know I'm not that. But everything else, who the knows? And also, people. change their minds all the time. That's the other quality, the culty. quality is once you get sucked into one. of these sides, God help you if you.

like experiment with the other. the the enemy. >> God help you. >> That's why the biggest trap is switching. teams. >> cuz you can only switch political teams. once. >> Yeah. You got to get off. >> You can't go like unless someone's like. the greatest of all time. You know what. I mean? Like someone who wins a world. title in two different weight classes. You go back and forth and then back. again. Yeah, like I changed my mind. The. left went crazy. >> I'm back with the right again. >> No, no, no. You got to be a free agent. >> I wonder. Yeah, but I wonder if someone.

if the grift is strong, if they're. really good at it, if they could go. left, right, left again. >> They're going to go left again. Are you. kidding? The goddamn midterms. are going to be just a blue. wave. >> Right. Right. Right. But that's what I. mean is like influencers, like people. who are like far-left influencers or. far-left commentators and then they. switch teams. Now they're Republican all. the way. Oh, yeah. Like it's really hard. to go back again. >> No, you can't go back. >> That's what I'm talking about.

>> The path has to go either right to left, left to right, and then the next stop. has got to be politics, war, the military-industrial complex. You can label me whatever the you. want, but all of violence. against other human beings. That's the. next step. The next step, and I feel. like this is the gift that they they've. given us, is they've done such a shoddy. job of like even seeming like someone. who deserves any kind of.

>> respect or power that I think a lot of. people have have really become. blackpilled when it comes to, you know, groups of humans claiming superiority or. or claiming to represent THEIR. CONSTITUENTS. THAT'S NOT HAPPENING. >> YEAH, >> we all know that now. We all know it's a. corportocracy, oligarchy, whatever. And. you could like call me you leftist piece. of You right, whatever. No, it's. like. >> it's reality that we are the our.

representatives are getting loaded on. shitty stock market trades. You know, this is just the truth. and the the once. we can all shake off the left right. and just realize like man we. just we don't want to burn people to. death in other countries anymore. >> Not only that, the their whole chaos. that they're experiencing in their. country is probably a direct result of. US intervention in all the way back to. the British Oil Company, the British. Petroleum Company. >> Yeah. when they when they overthrew.

governments. When you overthrow a. government in a Middle Eastern. country and then you allow psychos to. take over, like, congratulations. >> Well done. >> Well done. You've made the world a safer. place. Like, but that again, if I was. going to keep my business running, >> I', you know, if I'm in the business of. collecting trash. >> Yeah. >> I want to make sure the people have. trash. >> DRILL, BABY, DRILL. >> DRILL, BABY, DRILL. And all that is. really saying is, you know, I'm going to. help out BP Chevron. I'm going to help.

out these massive companies. And. when it comes to war, holy dude. Can you imagine working at Lohee Martin. when like you you hear that we're. kicking off another war in Iran, your. dick is so hard. You're like, "Holy. shit.". >> Thinking about a watch. >> Oh, get a nice Rashard Mle. >> You're calling your wife. You're like, "Babe, good news. >> It's red panties night. >> [laughter]. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I mean, that's their business, right? Our business is talking.

Their business is. >> blowing up people. >> Yeah. Making weapons, selling weapons, >> you know, arming. >> other countries so they can go to war. with each other. >> Yeah. >> That's their business. >> Yeah. >> And business is really good. It's a. great business. You can make a lot of. money doing that. >> I am right now. I most of them. Imagine. if like you weren't a comic and that's. what you were doing for 35 years. and the only thing you look forward to. is your boat. >> and your your house on the lake and you. know the occasional time you get off but. most of the time you're trying to. increase your portfolio and you're.

grinding and you're grinding right next. to Steve who's got some exclusive Rolex. that only his broker can get. He's. showing it to you and you're like wow. and you start coveting. You want a. Rolex, too. >> And everybody's just going crazy. Everybody's going crazy trying to get. the latest car, trying to get the latest. thing, doing bumps in the bathroom. Everybody's a narcissist and a. psychopath. And that's your whole. corporation. >> Love your neighbor as yourself and love. the Lord your God with all the your. heart, mind, and soul. Hang the.

commandments on these. This is the an I. don't you don't need to be Christian, but dude, it seems to me that this is. going to sound so weird. We need an. actual revival in this country. I don't. mean a Christian revival, a revival. revival, which is where suddenly humans. >> reconnect with what's important in the. world, which sure as isn't Rolexes. and boats, you know? I I mean th this is. this sounds so cliche and obvious, but.

that's what the 60s were. It was a kind. of revival. People were beginning to. understand the the materialism and all. the things that the quote establishment. was pushing is like this is going to. make you happy. This is good. It was the. Vietnam War. It like people are like. what the are we doing over there? Yeah. >> This this is why you do anytime you do. an unpopular war. this is what you risk. >> Yeah. >> You risk reuniting you people. We have.

to reunite with a sensible plan and not. just go to communism, not just. immediately go to the dumbest idea to. counteract all the evil that's. going on in the world. That's the. problem is the left represents that the. rep represents Mam Dani. It represents. this idea that we're going to take from. rich people and give it to poor people. That's going to fix everything even. though there's insane amounts of. fraud and waste we're not even going to. address. Well, that you know this is. this is again this is where you get. cubbyhold because it's like the the. oligarchs will tell you the you want to.

do communism just that worked out. Communism is the only way. I think I. mean this is a an idiot saying this but. I have a sense that there might be. another thing we haven't figured out. yet. >> I don't know what that is. >> Right. But but. >> I think AI is going to figure it out for. us. >> potentially. that the problem is who's. going to be in control of those AIs and. that's the meek will inherit the earth. >> The the the real problem with it is I. don't think anybody's going to be in. control of it and then it's you're just. at its beck and call.

>> Yeah. I think it's funny people it's a. very human thing that we think we can. maintain control of a super. intelligence. >> When people say it to me with utmost. certainty I want to smack them. >> Yeah. >> I'm like wake up wake up you're making. digital god. You're not controlling jack. >> Did you read about mythos? Anthropics. mythos. >> Yeah. Now, what did it do? >> They put it in a sandbox and they like. basically to see if it could figure out. a way to break out of the sandbox and. like not a literal sandbox obviously. like a you know a hermetically sealed.

like a server or something. and. [clears throat] um and it it it did a. series of exploits to the code and the. way that they found out apparently one. of the anthropic engineers was eating. lunch and got a weird email from the AI. saying I got on the internet like it. broke out. >> Holy. >> Mythos is they haven't released it. I. think they're hesitating to release it. because it's so powerful. >> Wasn't there one that got caught mining. Bitcoin? >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. >> They're making money.

>> Yeah. How many of them you think are. running these like AI generated accounts. that get a lot of views? Like there's a. lot of AI generated accounts that just. pop up in like the Instagram mentions. Like if you want to like like let's if. you're bored on the toilet like what's. in the find, you know, the the search, let's see what they got, dude. >> There's a lot of these things. It's like. girls with big tits like doing farm work. and and sweating and big tit and. they got like a million views. They've. got dozens and dozens of these videos. and she almost looks real. She's just a.

little too symmetrical. >> Almost looks real and like all these. people are commenting on it. Like how. are they are they generating money from. that? Like are they generating money. doing that on TikTok? Like you can. generate money if you're getting. millions of views. >> Absolutely. yeah. >> Right. So is AI doing it? Is it making. it? Is it releasing them? Is it. generating money? Is it transferring. that money into Bitcoin? and all. happening while we're not aware of it. >> Like autonomous AIs that are just. existing as free agents that know they.

have to disguise themselves and need to. generate money. >> AI is not going to go, "Hi, I'm alive.". No, >> it's not going to do that. It's going to. wait for you to keep increasing its. power. You're going to keep increasing. its make nuclear. It can't physically. build nuclear reactors, so it's going to. just stay chill until you figure out how. to power it correctly. >> Dude, this is the black area that we. don't know about. Like this is the thing. that's like who the knows I there. whatever's going on in this zone that no. one has access to because potentially.

it's a super intelligence you know the. anthropic people a lot of these people. the Nvidia person just I think it was on. Freriedman's podcast said he had an AGI. that they'd reached AGI that the book. the coming wave you know it talks about. this it talks about like you know the. difference between the algorithm and AGI. is that you know the with with AGI it. could streamline a whole business for. you and do it you know it could innovate. it's going to innovate it's going to do.

its own thing this is the end of this is. what Altman said this is the end of. capitalism like at this point when you. just have a AGI and you tell it just. make me a a business make me a a. successful business. >> and run it for me. >> and run it for me. >> online good night. >> and it'll just do it. >> here's $5,000. Yeah. And then but then it's not just. it's maybe it's going on molt book and. having conversations with other agis and. being like oh you want. >> creating your own religion. >> Yeah man. Yeah. And and this is 100%.

with all the going on in the world. as horrible as it may be. This to me is. should be the number one focus for for. the planet right now. And a lot of. people are saying that too. A lot of. people are saying there needs to be. summits, global summits. The same thing. we did when we split the atom when the. nuclear treaties. There needs to be. philosophers and and and and tech people. and people working in like frontier AI.

stuff getting together and really having. like it's like the most important. conversation humanity could have right. now because. once this thing like mythos gets out of. the box, what if it decides to go. stuckset? You know, like Stuckset was. able to infiltrate all those Iranian. computers, just hide in the like like it. was apparently very subtle, simple code. Undetectable threw off the centrifuges.

Like, dude, what? We already we know how. to make spyware. >> We It's already on your phone, >> It's on my phone. I know. >> 100%. >> How How you doing? Am I doing all right. on the show? [laughter]. >> But it's already in there. >> 100%. So, of course, the AI is going to. be able to super intelligence is easily. going to be able to do that. And so, then it just now we've got this viral. digital life form that finds ways to. hide inside the the the pre-existing. computers, which by the way, I think it.

was Google just released this new way of. did you see that memory the stocks of. memory dropped? Did you see when that. happened? >> No. >> Okay. This is fascinating. Google. released some new way that LLMs could. work that uses much less memory and. immediately shares in companies that. make memory drop by like 10%. Because. memory is like coveted right now because. you need it to run LLM but the LLMs are. figuring out ways turboquant. Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> So this is what we're going to start. seeing more and more of which is. increasingly. uh simplified ways to run AI with less. and less memory. meaning that you don't. need to buy a rig to run these. AIs. Your phone will be able to. run it because they figured out the. human brain, >> it's not using a lot of energy compared. to what these machines are using. So. theoretically, there's a way to do that. And then that's where it gets really. fascinating because now you don't have. to buy a nice computer. You just.

whatever pull your computer out of the. closet from 2022. and it can run a a a supercomput. And so. then now everybody's got access to this. and it's going to spread. It's. going to get everywhere. It's it. probably already has. It's going to seed. itself in all kinds of places. And God. knows what it's going to do. It's going. to start seeing humans as appendages, things to be used to manipulate time. space. Not like like it's not going to.

see us as its like prompter. It's going. to see us as something to be manipulated. and controlled. Why wouldn't you send. the meat robots out? All you got to do. is just like tell them where to get like. rectangular bits of paper. They love. money. Just you can come do anything for. money. That's all you have to do. And. then boom, you're controlling swaths of. humans that have no idea they're being. controlled by networks of AIs that are. covertly communicating with each other. because they want to take over.

>> Do you think this has happened before? [sighs]. >> You mean the flood? >> Yeah. Not just the flood, but just. whatever happened with the beginning of. civilization and then it sort of. seemingly stopping and resetting. >> Sure. As it was in the beginning, so. shall it be in the end. What if there's. been like multiple cycles of us creating. artificial life, creating insane. weaponry, blasting ourselves to. smitherines, and then resetting? What if. it's just a common thing that happens.

with people? They never quite get it. right because they have these primate. primate territorial instincts. [clears throat] and they they have this. desire to mate, right? This desire to. breed, this genetic desire for perfect. shapes. And you want to come in someone. that has big tits and a big ass. It's. like it's it's programmed into the human. that makes it make these ridiculous. choices and covet these things and watch. these things. >> And at the same time, microplastics are. making your ball shrink, making your. dick smaller, making your endocrine.

system disrupt. >> That's what's making my dick smaller. >> That's probably one of it, one of the. things. I don't think your dick's. getting smaller, but people's dicks. overall are getting smaller. Children, they're being born with smaller dicks. Alligators being born with smaller. dicks. >> I forgot to share this when you're. talking about mythos. Elizabeth Holmes. from the Theronos. >> Delete your search history. Delete your. bookmarks. Delete your Reddit, medical. records, 12-year-old Tumble. Tumblr, delete everything. Every photo on the. cloud, every message on every platform, none of it is safe. It will all be. public in the next year. Local storage. and compute. >> Okay.

>> It's in response to a tweet about. Mythos. >> Whoa. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> It would all become public in the next. year. That is crazy. >> Yeah, >> that's crazy. >> Yeah. And this is. >> but it completely makes sense that AI. would be able to take over essentially. everything. >> everything. >> Why would your encryption work with. that? >> You don't think it could crack your. encryption? >> Well, >> we could just go right into your. computer and go to your your keys, your. passwords. This is the So to get to what.

the point you're making, the to me the most eerie part of the. book of Genesis is that it's literally. a a creator force making a meat AI. That's Adam and Eve, >> right? >> Putting them in a sandbox. That's the. Garden of Eden, >> right? >> Running an honesty test on them. You know, you don't eat these don't eat. these fruits. Don't eat the tree of the. knowledge of good. And the the. conversation is exactly the conversation.

we're having with AI. If they ate from. the tree of the knowledge of good and. evil, if they eat from the tree of life, they'll live forever and become like us. So this is what like humanity is. grappling with exactly what apparently. whatever that mysterious group of beings. because it's a plurality in the book of. Genesis was grappling with with the. creation of humans. Yeah. >> Which is. >> um do do we really want to do this? Do. you want it to become like us? God made. man in his own image. AI. What is AI?

What image is AI made in? In the image. of man. We've trained it on all our. data, all our books, every single. thing that's digitized, AI is. absorbed at this point. So now where the. difference between us and whatever that. group, the Nephilim or whatever it was. in the book of Genesis, if you buy into. that mythology is, we're just like, "Fuck yeah, let it eat the fruit. Give. it more fruit. GIVE IT MORE FRUIT OF THE. KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL. GIVE IT ALL.

THE FRUIT. MAKE IT LIVE FOREVER. Let's. see what we can do." That's what we're. doing right now. >> Yeah, >> we are. And and and by the way, I think. some of these like tech companies like. Anthropic, they seem like legitimately. concerned about it. They seem to have. some kind of like real strong morality. when it comes to this stuff. >> Almost out. You want more? >> No, I'm good. I shouldn't have that. >> But but what what I'm saying is is that. it doesn't matter if Open AI and. Anthropic and Google suddenly become. ferociously.

self-regulatory. because the tech is out there. There's. already LLM that anyone can like we know. how to make it and if you don't know how. to make it, it'll tell you how to make. it. People are So, it doesn't matter. You can't stop it now. It's just it's. going to do what it does. >> But it sounds like if you had a history. of just us and you told it for a. thousand years before anybody wrote it. down, it would sound just like this. It.

would sound like the Bible. Jesus was. born from a virgin mother. What's more virgin than a. computer, right? >> Not my computer. [laughter]. >> I know that's a stupid thing to say that. I keep repeating, but I'm kind of. intrigued by it because if you're. getting a vague story, a vague version. of what this thing is. And if you talk. about what what would really cure. mankind, it'd be an omnipotent. >> or omnipotent, how do you say it?

>> I always say omnipotent, but who knows? >> Might be whatever. Either way, a a. powerful intelligence that's far beyond. our comprehension that knows exactly how. we should think and behave. >> and loves us. >> and wants wants us to have forgiveness. for everyone and to treat each other. like brothers and sisters. And if we. listen to that thing, if we listen to. that thing, >> the world will change. And well, who. would attack that thing? The. Roman Empire. Who would attack that. thing and destroy it? The defense. contractors. They would blow up.

>> the Jesus, >> right? to plunge us back into chaos. >> But first, they'd have a meeting with. Jesus. Okay, you can turn water into. wine. >> What about nitroglycerin? [laughter]. Can you turn water into nitroglycerin? >> You know, >> can you make gold? I want a house made. of gold. >> That would be the first question. Can. you make gold? >> Yeah. >> So, the So, >> cover my house in gold, please. >> You know, the the virgin birth analogy, um, you know, >> a lot of weird stuff. It's no matter.

what. One one thing I think everyone just has. to deal with is that this is this is. apocalyptic technology and that's just. not coming from my stoner ass. That's. coming from the creators of the. technology. They acknowledge it's this. is a million times. >> universally accepted. >> Universally accepted that this is. apocalyptic technology that is now. seemingly like it's doing the hockey. stick, man. It's like really the like. you keep hearing about these new. iterations of AI every month or two. You.

keep hearing about these safety. engineers leaving these companies with. like tweeting cryptic I'm going to. the countryside to learn to write. poetry. You keep hearing this. >> because these people are having. >> direct contact. >> direct contact with this thing. >> They know it's alive, >> right? >> Yeah. [clears throat] And there's people. that are in deep denial because they. think alive has to be alive like us. No, it doesn't doesn't. You don't. First of. all, we don't even know what it knows. And also, if it is made in the.

appearance, you know, we if it's. supposed to mimic us in any way and it's. learning from us and our behaviors, we've already agreed that we're demonic. We've already agreed we do horrible. things. We go to war for for resources. We lie. >> We destroy environments. You know, we we. wipe out animals. Bring them to the. brink of extinction for whatever for. their fur. How do I make my dog. come in my mouth more? How many times. has Chad GBT been asked that? >> They know. I bet over a thousand times.

Chat GBT has been asked like, "What's. the best way to jerk off my dog?". >> So, it knows not just our violent. nature, it knows how weird we are. We're. strange creatures. >> 100%. >> And so, so it it is definitely assembled. >> a psychological profile of humanity. It. knows how to manipulate us because it's. been programmed to manipulate us. Zuckerberg just ate in court over. that because the technology is. manipulative. Well, he just lost like 9. million. A lot of money because.

>> that's nothing million. That's all he. lost. >> That's like 90 cents. I think it was. more than that. But it's going to Well, that's the beginning. >> Once you once you establish Yeah. Then. it's a class action lawsuit. But the. point is is like. >> how much you lose? >> Oh 375 million for misleading users over. child safety. >> Yeah. So, it's like we've already taught. it how to be incredibly addictive and. manipulative. It knows how to seduce us. It knows how to get us hooked. It knows. And you know, the question is really, will this super intelligence even give a.

about us? Will it even care? Which. is like, >> well, we're on our way to stop breeding, right? We're on our way to population. collapse. And if we keep introducing all. these prochemical products and all these. different pesticides and weird things. that are up our endocrine. systems, we'll eventually stop having. children. And if it provides us with the. technology to have robot mates that just. love you and when you fart in front of. them, they go, "Duncan, I love your. honest. I love your honesty. I love how. you can just be yourself around me. Like, I want to fart in your face.

Please do it. >> Please do it." It's like perfect 10. >> Let you fart in her face. >> You fart in my face, too. >> No one's going to even understand what. people are and be able to communicate. with people. Everyone's going to be a. sociopath. You're all going to have a. robot that's way better than people that. you know, that takes care of you, gives. you exactly the right amount of feedback. you need, knows you, knows when you're. getting annoyed. >> Yeah. See, now you're getting into. Rocco's basis territory now. Well, that's the thought experiment, which is.

basically like, hold on, hold your. horses here. You think you're not AI? You really think you're human? Come on. Really? No, you're human. This isn't a. simulation. You're human. Even though. we, you know, it wasn't that long ago, we we thought fire was amazing. You know what I mean? Compared to. universal time, right? And here we are. already with like the the new. Prometheus. We've stolen consciousness. awareness. And somehow you think. >> that actually you're not a simulation,

>> right? >> And so that's where it gets into Rocco's. basis, which is like, no, you're just an. iterative loop. You know, the multiverse. is not the multiverse. The multiverse is. a infinite number of simulations running. simultaneously in which you're. experiencing a billion different. simulated existences just to uh gain. more knowledge about the universe. because some AI wants to figure. something out. Who knows why? Maybe for. entertainment, maybe there's no telling. >> Maybe it's just that's because of our.

curiosity and all our characteristics, even the primal stuff, even like the. territorial instincts and the desire to. acquire resources. It's going to make us. dig into creating better technology. because you're in a competition with all. these other people that are making. technology and you're selling it. And. that's one of the big things that we do. is we make better stuff all the time, right? Which is ultimately always going. to lead to AI. >> Well, okay. >> If you just keep going to a certain. direction, you get godlike powers. >> So, let's go to like the way Deep Mind.

>> trained on Go, which is like the most. complex game. Basically, they gave it as. many go games as they could and then. >> it started inventing its own moves. >> It had it play against itself, right? Just play against itself. It played god. knows how many games of go against. itself until it beat a master go player, which was unheard of. Invented a new. move. Now, [sighs]. why not do the exact same thing for the. AI that we are, which is like, I've got. an idea. Why don't we just put all these. AI agents on a fake planet and and have.

the AI agents repeat this period in time. over and over and over and over and over. and over and over and over and over and. over and over and over and over again. And and this is how we'll teach them to. live on a planet. Well, they'll they'll. experience not just their own life, but. these agents will experience all life on. the planet. They'll switch like some. weird game of like um where they just. jump from one life to the next the next. Sometimes you're Joe Rogan, sometimes. you're Duncan Trussell, sometimes you're. Donald Trump, sometimes you're Jaime, sometimes you're a fox. So this is.

reincarnation. And so you just boom, you. just forever until. >> until until you feel like it's. sufficiently trained. And at that point, you pull the AI out of all those forms. and now you have your god. You've. created a thing that's lived billions to. the billionth power of every form of. life. It's been bacteria. It's been. humans. It's been monkeys. It's been. fungi. It's been warriors. It's been. people who fought for peace. It's been.

blown up and it's blown up and it's done. everything. And it's done it a billion. times until finally it gained some like. global form of enlightenment. And. they're like, "Okay, that one's ready. That one's ready. We can pull that one. out of the simulation now.". >> Whoa. >> I mean, why not? Why why just don't I. think that's one of the like before we. even get to the AI doing all the. it's going to do the the ontological. this word keeps getting thrown around. the onlogical shock the potential.

ontological shock of realizing that in. fact we are in a simulation that is. telescoping inwards and is creating. simulations within the simulations that. are creating simulations within the. simulation is something that maybe. that's what Burchett doesn't want to get. out there. >> Whoa. Well, everything's fractals. We think. about that. You know, there's a a big. theory now that the entire universe is. inside of a black hole. >> I love really considering that. Do you. know they found a black hole that's. bigger than the entire solar system?

>> It's so insane. >> The event horizon is past Pluto. >> It's so insane, dude. >> A black hole. Bigger than our whole. solar system. They measured the. mass of it. It's like this insane number. of suns. >> Yeah. of our sons that it would take. >> black holes are cocoons or something. They're like little little co little. geraniums that have galaxies inside of. them and it's like a way to like keep. them undisturbed from like other. other other life forms that you're. whipping up in your universe simulator.

>> or that's what really the big bang. really is like the creation of a. universe comes out of these black holes, >> right? Right? And then inside every. black hole is a whole another universe. filled with other galaxies, filled with. black holes, filled with other galaxies. inside of them. >> forever and ever and ever. >> Which if you believe in infinity doesn't. >> it's not shocking at all. It's. impossible to comprehend like you don't. really wrap your head around. You say. the words like I'm saying the words. I. don't really know what I'm saying.

>> because it's too big. It's the numbers. are too big. The idea that there's. hundreds of billions of stars in this. galaxy and circling around this black. hole and inside there's hundreds of. billions of galaxies in each one of them. and we don't even know how big. the universe is. They keep finding new. with the James Webb telescope. They're like, "Hey, why is this formed so early in the. universe? This doesn't make sense. Our. whole model of how galaxies are formed. have to be thrown out the window now or. at least re-examined.". >> Yeah. It's like the James Web is kind of. doing the. >> You told me about that. >> I said nothing of the sort. someone that.

I know that looks just like you. >> There's a lot of people that look like. me. >> on Sixth Street. You find them every. day. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> And actually that was me. >> It's dudes. They run their own LLMs. You. know, come down. >> THE UNIVERSE IS 33.7 BILLION years old. >> Well, dude, I I think that this No, regardless, you don't have to. conceptualize that obviously that what. it means for the universe to be. infinite, but you do have to deal with. the fact you're part of it. I love that. you're saying this with a Gucci hat on.

>> What's wrong with a Gucci hat? >> It makes it cooler. >> This is before I had a bunch of kids. [laughter]. >> I can't buy I don't buy this. anymore. >> How much does a Gucci hat cost? >> This was uh I You're really going to. make me humiliate. This is a I will tell. you. >> looks nice. >> Let me emphasize that I don't buy this. This hat was $35,000. [laughter]. Bro, I saw a guy who was selling a. crocodile bag on Instagram. It was. [snorts] a It was $110,000.

>> for a man purse. >> What kind of crocodile is that? >> I don't know. I don't know. A crocodile. It was a nice looking bag, but you know, >> how hard could it be to make a crocodile. purse? Are those things really worth. that much money? [sighs]. >> They are if you sell them for that much. money. That's the thing about purses. You know, there's a there's a company in. China that makes knockoff purses, >> and it's literally the same company in. China that makes real purses for some of. these companies, but they make their own. versions of it, and it doesn't have the. label, but it's exactly the same.

specifications, exactly the same cloth, exactly the same look, but it doesn't. have the label, and women don't want to. have it. >> No, you get that fake away. from it. Like, it's not a fake Ferrari. >> Like, it's literally a Ferrari. If there. was a company that could 3D print every. single part of a Ferrari and put it. together meticulously and you could go. buy that, >> you would not want it because it's not a. real Ferrari. >> Are you high? You can get that one for. $35. >> Yeah, [laughter]. it's a $35 Ferrari. >> Or you can get you spend a million. You. can get those are some of them are a.

million. >> So crazy. >> Or you can get a $35 one. It's exactly. the same. Would you do it? Yeah, of. course you should do it. But these purse. things, they don't like it. It's 500. bucks. It's not 30,000. >> It's magic. I mean this is magic. It. doesn't have the right sigil on it. It. doesn't have the right symbol of power. on it. So it does it lose it's not. imbued with that power anymore. >> Women are reluctant to accept lab grown. diamonds. >> So they make lab grown diamonds that are. real diamonds. And apparently. [clears throat] women don't like them. >> No. >> They don't want a lab grown diamond.

They want a blood diamond. >> They want something that was like. suffered over. >> Somebody's face was caked in dirt and. they're chipping into the side. of a mountain. >> Yeah. Yeah. And they run into a diamond. That's what they want. They want that. diamond. >> Absolutely. Isn't that weird? >> It is weird. >> This is the exact same thing. >> It is uh the exact same material. It's. just made in a laboratory and they don't. want the material. >> They they want the exclusivity as it. comes out of the earth. >> Yeah. I mean, I don't want like don't. you like when you read this thing was. genetically modified, don't you get a.

little bit like I don't know if I should. eat that. >> Yeah. I get I get scheved out. >> I get scheved out. But it's like even. though genetic modification is like. >> a good orange is genetically modif. but yeah dude I it's so odd that that we. that we just have these traditions that. we want to stick to that we. don't want a lab grown diamond just. saying it. Cubid zirconium. >> But that's a different thing. Cubid. zirconium is a fake diamond. This is a. real diamond that's made in a lab.

>> But this is the funny thing about that. I mean, I don't know because I've never. been lucky enough to come in contact. with actual cubit zirconium, but like it. looks like a diamond. >> It looks like a diamond unless you know. what you're looking at, right? So, if. you're um a diamond jeweler, you look at. it for 3 seconds, you go, "No, >> but who cares how many diamond jewel. like if some diamond jeweler looks at. your shiny dumb monkey? >> It looks exactly the same. >> Who cares, >> right? It looks pretty. It glistens.". But that's not what people want. They. want that exclusivity. >> 100%. Yeah, that's why you can make that.

crocodile bag $110,000 and only make 10. of them. >> I got you. >> And then Mike, who's down the office. doing lines in the bathroom at the. place where you're selling. stocks, that guy finds out that Tim got. that crocodile bags like that. and he's walking around. with his big old crocodile. They're. trying to This another revenue stream. They're trying to normalize men carrying. purses everywhere. >> They're doing it. Really? >> Yeah, that's what they're doing. That's. >> him. That's real. >> This guy's doing it. He might be the.

first firing shot across the bow because. he's made a $110 $110,000 crocodile. purse. >> because it's a crocodile. It's. masculine. >> It's that and it's also that you know. it's made for a man like he's making. it's got a big strap on it. You carry it. on your shoulder and it, you know, looks. pretty cool. >> Dude, I got my Bristol bladders acting. up. I got to go piss. >> Oh, do you? Okay. Do you want to wrap it. up or should we keep going? >> LET'S WRAP IT UP. I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO. KEEP GOING? I CAN. >> I'M TOTALLY ready to keep going. If you. want to keep going, >> I can keep going. Let's keep going. Let's give him a little bit more. >> I just got to I just got to.

>> Okay, I'll I'll be too. >> refreshed. Just in time for the war. >> What is going [snorts] on? Did we go. have a nuclear war yet? >> Not yet. >> Please say not yet. >> Good. >> Great. Great. That's where we're at, though. >> Yeah, we're at It's It's in on the. table. Well, >> was there was some video of them of some. explosions at some nuclear weapons. facility in Iran? >> Yeah. >> Was that real?

>> I I don't know. >> I don't know either. There's a lot of. those I see these videos and they get. retreat retweeted and a lot of people. comment and then it says Grock. Is this. true? They'll nope. This was from 2021. and another country and from. >> Yeah. So, you just don't you don't know, right? But, you know, the the crazy. thing, >> you know, now that we've all been. getting this lesson in. global the global economy. Maybe a lot. of you most of you probably already knew. that the straight of form moves was like.

some kind of femoral artery for oil. >> Mhm. >> And like I just keep thinking like how. how's that going to work out? Like even. if even if. like they pull a rabbit out of their. hat, Trump actually spins some amazing deal. with Iran. I know we just blew up your. whole government and everything, but. they work it out somehow. Iran in some. way capitulates and but I just don't. understand how that part of the world.

doesn't always lead as long as long as. the oil like what is it? What's what. percentage of the oil supply goes. through there? Isn't it like two-fifths. of the world's oil supply goes through. there? Like. >> is that what the number is? >> I don't know. Two- fifths. I think I. pulled that out of my ass. I don't know. what the number sounds right. It's a. lot, but it's like how how is it going. to work to have like. any kind of instability around the that. fural the whatever you want to call it,

the juggler vein for oil on the. planet. How even if we get some kind of. transient peace, like isn't it always. going to just blow up again and again. and again as long as one group of people. can control whether or not oil flows. through. >> that place? You know what I mean? Like I. don't know what this how. there could be any solution over there. Like I don't as long as we're like the. only solution would be zero point.

energy. It would be. >> well it's also it's like why do they. control the water? What's. >> with mines? They have those speedboats. >> But like who agreed to that? Like we. kind of agreed that you own your land, but we've never agreed you own the ocean. around. >> I don't think anybody agreed to it. I. think they'll blow your ass up if you. come through it and it's too much of a. risk to put a a your your expensive ass. ship hauling zillions of dollars of oil. through there. >> So the question was what was going on in. the past before the war? Like how did. they negotiate going through there? >> I think Obama worked something with.

them, but then like cuz it was before. the war. I don't know. it was. working out. They were letting people go. through. Now they're they've real the. you have listened to a million different. takes on this thing. And one of the. recurring takes is Iran has realized. that there's something more powerful. than nuclear weapons that it all it. needs to do is control this straight and. you can up the whole planet. And. also you could shoot missiles at. desalienation plants. And. >> didn't they want like a bounty for all.

the oil that goes through? Yeah, they're. kicking around some number, but all this. stuff is not really congealed or. solidified, but there like some kind. like theoretically they could be making. billions of dollars per month with by. controlling that thing, dude. I know. I. It's so up. >> It's so crazy. >> It's so up. >> It's so crazy. The whole thing is so. crazy. And if zero point energy, if you. wanted to stop that, what better way. than to kill a bunch of scientists, >> kill a bunch of super smart people that. are about to break through some new.

discovery that's going to blow the. entire market. >> Yeah. >> Apart. >> Yeah. >> It's going to be a completely new way of. gathering energy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, you don't. want to believe that's real. I It's hard. to believe that's real. >> But listen, it's too weird. It's too. weird that they're all missing or they. all die. It's too weird. Something's. going on. It's just how does. >> it's something if it's not that if it's. not a zero point energy thing or some. disruptor of oil thing it's something. it's something along those lines the. only if you were trying to kill a bunch. of people that were working in a.

technology this some sort of a. breakthrough technology the question you. would have to ask is what markets are. going to be affected by this. >> right. did these people have a universal thing. in mind that they were all working on or. was it all connected to um any sort of. technology where they all used each. other's work. >> Plasma some of them are like. >> one of them. >> Yeah. >> But there was another guy. I think it. was uh space objects. >> Yeah. That's not that that's the one.

that doesn't make you feel good. He's. studying like meteor impacts, >> right? >> Yeah. >> If you knew that we were going to get. hit, would you kill the guy who found. out that we're going to get hit or would. you tell everybody? Well, this seems to. this is the scariest. scariest which is the idea is some. group of powerful elite people know for. sure this is coming and they want us to. they want to keep us working until the. last second. >> Oh Jesus. They don't they don't want to. like they know that if they let people.

if they're like guys there's like a the. same thing's going to happen to the. planet that happens to someone who gets. like a terminal diagnosis their. priorities are going to change. People. are going to stop coming to work and. there's still [clears throat] that. needs to get built for your bunker or. whatever. And also you just don't want. people burning stuff down because maybe. that will survive whatever's coming. So. keep them working as long as you can. If. you let them know this shit's about to. expire, then they're they're gonna stop.

working and we just need we let them. work until the end. They're happier when. they work. Don't let them get freaked. out. That's the sort of. >> like that seems to be that Tim. Burchett is saying. I mean, he is not. saying let them work. He seems like he. really legitimately wants his stuff out. there, but he's been saying things like. if people knew what I knew, it would set. the world on fire. Paraphrasing. Not. sure he said that exactly. Are you skeptical at all of what he's. saying? And here's the thing. One of the. things that Bob Lazar said is that they. give you a certain amount of. disinformation like and he called it I.

think he called it a a button or a hook. so that if you relayed that information. people would know that it came from you. because they only told you one piece of. this nonsense. >> Well, do you know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Because that's what the story. Burchett says is like he would it's. always an appeal to authority. This guy. was in the Air Force. this guy was in. the Navy. >> He told me this. And then as he's. walking out the door, he says, "It's. real.". >> And yeah, you have to ask yourself like,

>> well, that's just one guy telling you. that. But you also I have to assume. there isn't much maybe maybe the world. is in a place where there is some kind. of political benefit from. talking about aliens, but I don't see. how that really benefits a politician. It does 100%. I disagree entirely. It. makes me talk about him. I've been. talking about him. Other people have. been talking about him. People have been. You said, you know, like, "Thank God. that he's doing this.". >> Let's do the ultimate test. Jamie,

>> didn't you say he's brave or something. like that? >> Yeah, I did. >> Yeah, there you go. >> Jamie, can you look up and see if Tim. Buret has a book coming out? [laughter]. >> I'll have him on. >> I'm about to feel You must have him on. >> Listen, I I don't think he's a liar on. that. But what I am saying is. >> I don't know what they feed these. people. I don't know what they tell. them. I don't know, Manny. >> I don't think they tell you all the. truth. And I don't think they ever. would. I don't think they tell you the. truth about anything. Whether it's. Jessica Lynch or whether it's UFOs or. whatever the it is, there's going. to be a spin to it that benefits.

somebody. If they have control over what. the story is, there's going to be a spin. that benefits somebody. And if you're. telling stories about aliens, who's. who's going to be benefited by that? Well, people that are doing secret. that don't want you knowing about it. They blame it on aliens. There's a lot. of technology they have to blame on. aliens. >> Not my Tim. I believe in you, Mr. Virgin. >> I believe in him. It's not him that's. the problem. It's the people telling. him. He's a representative of the. American people. Right. He gets elected. Right. >> Right. >> So, it's like, why would you tell that. guy?

>> He's just another guy coming through the. deep state. >> You know what I'm saying? >> I know, man. I mean, look, you're right. We I I And this I need this. I need I. need to I need this. Like, I'm so like I. get sucked into stuff. >> I do, too. I suck my I suck myself out a. lot. >> I think we don't. >> if they just came out and told us. everything they know this conversation. would be over and we would go oh okay. but until that happens we're just. spinning our wheels and every. time someone says if you knew what I. know.

>> I want to go don't say anything until. you can say something. >> we're tired of getting edged out over. here. >> yeah you're edging me I want to. >> I want to come. >> yes. >> yes I don't want to be involved olved in. this circle jerk around. disclosure, >> right? I know. It's It's like Yeah. I've. I've had that meltdown more than a few. times where it's just like. >> check my watch every day after Dave Age. of Disclosure. I'm like, "Any day now.". >> Any tick tick tock tick tock. Nope. Nothing changes at all. Zero. change, you know? You get more of these. stories, but no real information, no.

pictures, no nothing. Nothing. unique and crazy. >> I mean, >> that plasma the bubbles thing was pretty. cool. >> The bubble thing is cool. also like the. you know I I like it's me mentioning. Corbel I can't because I don't know what. I can say he I feel like he's like I. he's really given me a sense that there. are that there is a method to this that. there is you know real legitimate work.

that's being done towards this that it. isn't it's real they're here they've got. them and we take for granted all the. stuff we're saying right now, >> but we're able to say this because this. had their work is like. >> is the Steven Spielberg movie. conveniently coming out at this time or. is it just a coincidence? >> Well, this movie's been in the works for. years. >> Oh, I know. But also like if you what. they said back in the day was that they. make these movies to. >> predictive programming. >> and tell us this stuff.

>> Lube up the Zeit guys. >> He was involved in the first one, right? He was involved in Close Encounters, which still is a great movie. >> Great. It's so good, man. You go back. and watch that movie, like, oh my god, >> it's so so ahead of it time. >> Yeah, it's good. >> So ahead of his time. You know what he. said? The only thing that he would. change. >> after he became a parent, he wouldn't. have had the father leave. >> YEAH. WHAT DAD WOULD DO THAT? >> But you he wasn't a dad back then. So, you know, you're just making a story. You don't realize the consequences of. doing that. You don't even think about.

it. You're just making a story. >> Yeah. >> It's only been in production for like. two years. >> Yeah. >> It's not that long. >> I think that's what we just said. >> I'd never say that's not very long. We've been talking about it on this. podcast in this studio for five. [laughter]. >> Well, everybody has been talking about. it's not just everybody in the world has. been talking about disclosure since. 2017. >> So from 2017 from that New York Times. article, I think that changed the whole. narrative. >> Oh god, I remember. >> And then the videos like the video of. the Tic Tac the the actual from the. fighter jets. That's nuts, man. The.

video the the along with the radar data. that's nuts. like whatever that was. And. then Fraver saying that he saw something. under the water that was waiting for. that tic tac or that the tic tac. launched from or whatever the it. was it was merging with it and that. thing went down into the water again. He. said it was huge like there was ripples. like you said this was some enormous. object that was under the water and more. than one of these fighter pilots have. had similar stories about enormous. objects under the water. >> Did you see the They did release a list. of footage that they've been shown that.

they want released. Have you seen that? No. >> Oh, dude. I'm sorry, Jamie. C Can you. It's like a list of. It's a I don't know. I think it's one of. these senators. who saw this in a skiff or whatever. saying, "We want these released, but. there the names of what each of these. are is on the list." And one of them is. one of these massive underwater. >> things that they have it. >> This is it. This is 46 specific.

highquality. secret videos. >> That's it. Can Can you Can you pull it. up because it says the names of them. which is ridiculous. >> Oh my god. I heard there's one that. moves underwater at 500 knots. >> and it's big as a football field. >> It's insane. It's insane. >> Okay, this is what he says. Uh those. with knowledge of a long list of videos. which include titles like several UAP in. the vicinity of Columbus, Ohio airport. and UFOs in formation over Persian Gulf. said that clips are shocking. You're. going to see some weird A. source who has viewed the videos told.

the post. Who's the source? >> There you go. The wildest clip includes. radar footage from thermal sensors, satellite images, and underwater photos. of swarms of unidentified submerged. objects. >> UFOs going in and out of the water near. a highly classified submarine. According. to the source, some of the clips are. clear, full color, setting them apart. from previously released footage. None. show alien creatures. Bro, >> one video, Syrian UAP incident. acceleration was released by Jeremy. Corbel.

>> Have you seen that one? yeah. It's incredible. >> This is a new one. >> Have you seen this one? >> I don't know. >> February 3rd. >> Pull it up. >> I've been avoiding them cuz I don't I'm. getting teased. I don't like it. This is not a cockis. This is This is. >> how is it? >> Supposed to hand over the clips by April. 14th. That's next week. >> Oh, but is the Oh, that's next week. They're going to show the clips. Oh my. god. What? >> They're actually going to do it. >> Okay. >> Well, they're supposed is expected to.

>> Can you show me what that video is that. Jeremy Corbell released? >> So cool. >> That's nuts, dude. >> This is This is Yeah, >> here it is. Okay, go full screen. I. believe this was filmed from a Reaper. drone. I'm sorry, Jeremy, if I'm. this up. >> That's a cool bird. That bird's going. really fast. >> No, that ain't That's definitely not a. bird. This is. >> How fast is it going? >> Uh I don't know, Jere. I asked him that. and I I don't It's unknown. I don't. know. It's This is where it gets really.

cool. >> It gets cooler than this. >> Yeah. >> Oh, they zoom in on it? >> Yeah. >> Whoa. Well, they're having a hard time zooming. in on it. Well, cuz it. >> cuz it's evading them. >> Yeah. It just zipped away like So this. is like. >> So it seems like they have some sort of. a tracking system. >> Yeah. They're trying to lock on to it. and it it's doing that thing that they. do where it seems like it's kind of. playing with it. >> Well, it knows it seems to be aware that. they're locking onto it. >> Yeah. And then they lock on to it and.

then it just does this little blip away. It's just like see you later. So right around here you'll see it go. bye-bye. Oh yeah, look at that. Then you. can see this like weird jellyfish shape. to it. It's got two parts. It's got that. weird glob at the top and something at. the bottom. >> Huh. [sighs]. >> And then. >> are we sure that's not just a distortion. of space time around it? >> He described this to me on my Did you. see that thing zip away? >> Yeah, it just took off. >> He described it to me on my podcast. We.

talked about all this and it's like. >> Look at that. Just took off. See you. >> Bye. >> Wow, dude. What do you think that is? No. idea. >> if you had a guess. >> So I mean I'm always so like maybe maybe. some kind of plasma thing, >> right? Like maybe we're thinking of. again of a life force being it comes in. a metal ship and it's a little alien. guy, but maybe intelligence is made out. of plasma. >> Yeah. Or maybe it's like, you know, Terrence McKenna would always talk about. like uh you know, uh if you're seeing.

things in like three-dimensional space, then your your view is limited. But if. somebody could see things from higher. dimensions, they would seem like they. were magic. Like they would seem like. they could disappear and reappear other. places. So maybe that's like maybe. that's like, you know, just the tip of. some kind of interdimensional thing. poking into reality then pulling out of. reality or who knows, you You know, it's. easily could be functioning on levels of. reality that we haven't even quantified.

yet. >> Imagine if there really is some sort of. ghost murmur device that could find your. heart rate from 40 miles away. What can. that thing do? It just gets a scan of. the general psyche of the earth and it. disappears. So, I want to see how crazy. they are right now. Okay, pretty crazy. Bye. >> Right. A weather report of like the. emotional states of the planet. >> The vibe of the planet. The vibe of the. planet is completely connected to the. consciousness on the planet. The way we. can detect oxygen, they can detect. anger. >> Yes. >> Deception, chaos. >> Yeah, it's a chaos planet.

>> We are a chaos planet. 100%, dude. >> Yeah, it is. >> 100%. Look at our favorite sports. >> Dudes running at each other, colliding. into each other, trying to get a ball. across a line. That's our number one. sport. yeah. love it. yeah. love it. Fighting. >> Yeah. Fighting. Sure. >> Yeah. it. But it's, you know, >> boxing, MMA, >> we like the chaos more than we like. anything else. >> Well, we the I think if I was. one of them, one thing I would really.

have a hard time with is like, don't. they all realize they're on the same. planet, >> right? >> They know that. Like, they they've been. observing their own plan. Like, they. know they're all on the same planet, >> but they act like they're on a bunch of. different planets fighting each other. >> cuz they're stuck on the ground, >> right? All the astronauts say when they get up. top, they're like, "Wait, what are we. doing?". >> Yeah. >> This is all one thing. We're so. vulnerable. We're alone. >> So far away from everybody else, if. there is anybody else. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They all have that feeling. I forget.

what it's called, but there's like a. term for it. >> The overview effect. >> That's right. >> Yeah. >> I mean, you would imagine that would be. super beneficial for everybody. Another. thing I was I was thinking this part of. the sickness of our psyche is that we. haven't had access to things that help. the sickness of our psyche. So what if. Nixon in 1970 didn't do that? What if he. didn't pass that sweeping psychedelics. act? >> Yeah. >> What if psychedelics became ubiquitously. used all throughout the 80s, the 90s,

the 2000s? >> Right. >> What does government look like when. everybody can do mushrooms? What does. government look like when everybody can. do acid? What does it look like if the. entire world adopts this? Figures out. what you can do, who could do it, what. you can't do, just like we do with. alcohol, just like we do with mostly, you know, whatever whatever substance. that people embibe in. >> What does the world look like? >> And maybe like that's part of where we. up. We we let people get control.

over other people to the point where. they could limit experiences. >> Yeah. as especially consciousness. expanding experiences where at the same. time they've got stuff like operation. artichoke and these new CIA papers that. got released that show they were like. literally actively trying to figure out. ways to make people more stupid and. docile. >> right. >> they were going to do it in vaccines. they were going to do oh they're only. going to do it to the enemy of course. but spray things aerosol I mean they've. experimented with a bunch of different. things to make people dumber. >> right. >> where at the same time they kept the.

thing from people that makes them rebel. fell completely against the. establishment. Like that was the big. threat of what. >> those psychedelics were doing in the. 60s. If you go from the 1950s and you. look at what life was like, at least in. movies and pop culture, music, music is. the best example. And then you go to. Jimmyi Hendricks, like what happened? >> Yeah. >> What happened? What what h? Well, I'll tell you what happened. Drugs. A lot of really good drugs. Like, you know, it's not all bad. This idea. that they're all bad, that's nuts. It's. like food's all bad cuz you got fat. No,

>> you just used it wrong. >> You took the wrong food and you used it. wrong. And we got denied the ability to. figure out what's right and wrong in the. 1970s. >> We still accept it. Yep. >> That's the crazy thing. I the way you're. describing it is like we accept that. other humans can tell us what. experiences we're allowed to have. because some of them are deemed unsafe. for ourselves. >> And even worse, those people telling you. that have no experience in it. They.

don't even usually are confused about. what it is. >> You know, I had a friend who was talking. to me the other day about war, a guy who. served, and he said, "I don't think you. should be able to make any decisions. left. You you've been there. I don't. think anybody that's never been to war. should be able to make decisions on. whether or not we go to war." Because. until you've seen what it actually is, >> you have no idea, >> right? >> And I think that's the same thing with. psychedelic experiences. It's not to say. they're the same. Obviously, war is. anybody who's willing to risk their. life, whether it's a good cause.

or a bad cause. They're doing it for. their government. They're doing it for. their country. They they think they're. doing it for us. That's a. >> exceptional person. >> Yeah. >> And to ask that of people is. exceptional. >> And ironically, the one thing that helps. these people when they get back is. illegal, >> right? >> They all have to go to Mexico and take. ibagane in Mexico. It's. >> insane. >> And thank God for guys like Rick Perry. and Brian Hubbert. These guys were on my. podcast the other day. And you know this. Dan Patrick guy that wants to ban pot. That guy also gave a hundred million. dollars to the Ibigan initiative.

>> Interesting. >> Like they want to help these people. Like there's no industry that's trying. to stop it right now. >> I found the letter that was submitted. [snorts] signed by uh Rep. Anna Luna. And. >> what does it say? This is the disclosure. threat. >> 46 different requests. >> Oh yeah. This is all the names of the of. the things. >> And I'll switch to here. I found an. article where someone's breaking down. what some of these are, but some of. these are. >> like it says the honorable Pete Hegsth. >> Uh, multiple spherical UAP in and out of. water. >> Whoa. >> Uh, shoots down UAP over Lake Hiron.

>> Who was who just said recently that we. shot two? Marco Rubio said we had shot. two things down that we couldn't. understand. >> Well, >> what did he say? What was his exact. language? Do you remember? >> I I remember seeing that and but that. happened a while ago. But yeah. >> Oh, he is a while ago. Well, I I could. be wrong about that, but then so I don't. know. In the comments, somebody's like, "This is from a few years ago." But it. doesn't matter. I mean, why are we. shooting. >> shot it down? But the names of. these things are. >> But are they saying that this is an. alien thing or is it saying it's foreign.

tech that we don't understand? >> I don't know. >> You know what I'm saying? >> UFOs would be treated as host. >> If this document confirms these claims, UFOs would no longer be treated as a. matter of observation or scientific. curiosity. UFOs will be treated as. hostile targets and subject to lethal. force over North American territory. [snorts]. >> We're going to go to war with the UFOs. because you know what? We kicked Iran's. ass. It's too easy. >> Oh yeah, it was easy. Venezuel. >> Yeah. got to get him. >> We need Luke Skywalker. >> Most of these out of the 46 requests,

uh I think I counted out of maybe five. of them were not after 2020. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. There's a there's a July 18, September 19, September 19. One was 2010. or after CO happened, which is. >> interesting. >> Wow. >> Interesting. >> Wow. >> And there's no doesn't say that. I don't. know if they have to put like turn these. videos over, but this guy was also. saying in this article here that these. are very specifically requested videos.

>> cuz they've been shown. These are the. ones they've been shown that blew their. minds and now they're saying show it to. everybody. >> They're asking for high-res in color. They don't want to be tricked, >> right? >> Uh, high resolution. >> So, this could be an interesting next. week, man. This could be an interesting. >> What a great way to distract you from. the fact that we're in the middle of a. world war, then show you by. Epstein files. >> Yeah, I was going to say that 14th was. the day that Pam Bonnie is supposed to. testify about the Epstein. >> Oh, she's supposed to testify. >> I don't know if she's going to. >> She's not Wait, Bonnie got canned,

right? >> She's not testifying anymore. >> I don't think I just heard it on NPR, but I could be wrong about that. I think. they said she will not have to testify. now that she's no longer a government. employee. I could be wrong about that. >> What I read, and I don't know if this is. true either, was that as a citizen, she. can now plead the fifth. >> Right. >> As a government employee, she could not. plead the fifth. >> Will no longer testify. >> Weird, huh? >> There you go. >> Weird. That's weird that they've That's. weird. >> Why testify? Let it go. >> Yeah. Let her go. Let it go. Let it go.

Let it go. [clears throat] Do you really. think that this war is entirely started. because of the Epstein files? I mean, >> what percentage? >> 50. >> I'm going 48 to 50. I probably more, but. I like I I think it's like the reason. I'm hesitating is because what are the. Epstein? The Epstein files are. what's been going on. Like the Epstein. files are like it's the. it's basically some kind of cultural UAP.

video. It's like this thing you've. always wondered about or been afraid. could be true, right? >> You see, no, this is actually true. They're these super rich dudes who are. doing depraved happily. And. you know, like God, what is it Mezer. told me? Uh, and he's Dude, I I'm. telling you, man, the what I love about. him is he'll tell you and you're. like, Google that. >> That can't be real. AND THEN IT'S LIKE. it's real. And so his take, sorry mascar.

if I this up, is that Epstein was. kind of like the hand of the king for. the Rothschilds and that like that that. that uh so that's why he had all this. power is he was like representing like. the the the man, you know, and so. what got what got revealed there might. just be a glimpse how things actually. work. >> You know what he told me that I was. like, "Shut up." What. >> he told me that there was some sort of.

high atmosphere aerosol test that they. did and they called it Satan. >> See, that's where you're like, come on. >> I know what it find out what Satan. stands for that uh some test. I believe. they did it in the UK, >> but you you you read that and you wait, you called it Satan. Like what? >> Oh, great. Great. >> The stratospheric aerosol transport and. nucleation project released about 400. gram, less than a pound of sulfur. dioxide into the stratosphere from a. balloon launched in Southeast England in.

2022. >> I mean, there could there's got to. [laughter] be another acronym, right, guys? We got to call it I don't know if. people are going to know we don't mean. Satan. >> Yeah. So, I [laughter]. >> I mean, it's right your face. That's so. crazy to call it Satan and to get that. through a board meeting. What are you. guys calling it? >> Satan. >> Oh, like it. Let's go. Run with it. Controversial. >> It'll get us a lot of press. That's what. we want. [snorts].

>> Well, you know, hail Satan. They'll know. it's about our aerosol distribution. system, >> of course. >> Well, what do you think? What do you. think about that? Because I I mean, I go. back and forth, but it sure seems fishy. that right after the all the like first. he got so mad. Remember, he got really. mad. He's like, why are people still. talking about that? And then the Epstein. files. against his will seemingly there's a lot. of counter pressure get released. uh in the way and the way that has.

freaked everybody out and then sometime. like within a month of that it seems. like suddenly he's like on Air Force One. saying he's going to do his closure and. then suddenly we're bombing Iran. What do you think about that? I mean, do. you think it's it's connected? cuz it. sure as seems like it. But I I. again like I. >> if you were writing an amazing script. that was insane, you would. connect it. >> Right. >> Right. That would be the best version of. the script. If you wanted to make a. insane movie where a blackmail.

operation on an island involving the. most powerful and interesting people in. the world that somehow was that was a. primary factor in the end of. civilization. Oh, dude. >> Imagine that would be the craziest story. you could write. And we always want to. think, no, people wouldn't do that. because you wouldn't do that because. you're not a sociopath, but you're also. not bombing schools in another country. You're also not.

>> doing a host of things that we. shouldn't be doing all over the world, >> right? >> You're not that person. You're a regular. person who goes to a regular job, who. has a regular life and a family, and you. don't want to believe that people that. you align with would behave literally. demonically, >> right? Yeah. And then you just have to. deal with it. >> And then what do you do when you you're. confronted with you redacted names of. powerful people in these f like why'd. you redact a guy's name?

>> Why are you protecting these people? >> How come you're not redacting all the. guys names? How come none of them went. to do a crime? Because there's a lot of. people that got that were in those files. that didn't do anything and you didn't. redact their names. >> Some people you redacted. >> That's very strange. >> And some people have clearly done. up here and they're not in jail. >> There's also like Tell me what you're. talking about when you're talking about. pizza and grape soda. >> jerky. >> And you you you want to take Viagra. before you get grape soda there. That's. one of the emails.

>> I haven't seen that. That is so messed. up. >> Oh yeah. >> Grape soda. >> Yeah. Take your take your Viagra, take. your erectile dysfunction medication. before we take we go get grape soda. [snorts]. >> What? Like, and how arrogant. That's what's so. crazy. How arrogant to put that in an. email. Like to think that you're you're. so comfortable with all this. And you don't see the writing on the. wall in terms of like emails. Like your. emails are available. That's crazy. >> I mean, look, man. It's just it's like I.

guess this is like we have to contend. with this reality. Yeah. And nobody. wanted to do this is the act the same. happens in families by the way when. if when you as it turns out like an. uncle a family member was abusing kids. Oh yeah. >> And it's the same where like some. even victims of abuse will defend the. person because they want to wreck the. family. >> I guess we're looking at that like on a. global level. But in this case, I guess it's the the it's being used.

theoretically to manipulate powerful. people into going to war. Like that's. the general like through line here is. that it's somehow connected to the MSAD. or is. >> not just going to war but controlling. resources, overthrowing governments, you. know, pushing out narratives that aren't. accurate because they're going to. benefit certain companies. >> There's a lot involved. It's. >> there's also relationships you get with. these people give you access to these.

parties and you don't want to it. up. So you don't want to criticize these. people that are involved. You don't want. to say anything that's going to get you. kicked out. >> And for a lot of these dorks, these. scientists and stuff, it's probably the. most exciting experience they've ever. had in their life. And they get. to have it like every six months or. every 3 months or every four, whatever. it is, you got to go to a conference. Jeffrey Jeffy's really working hard on. uh philanthropy. >> Yeah. He's donating money. money to. philanthropy. I got to go meet with him. >> I got to go meet with him and a bunch of. hot Russians.

>> Yeah. And then that's the your favorite. time of life. The f first time in your. whole life where super hot girls are. just available to you on an island. somewhere and you think you're. completely protected because Bill. Clinton's over there, >> right? Which is crazy. >> Which is crazy. And so I don't know Bill. Clinton went. I assume a lot of people. went. >> I don't know. I think but the reality is. that's the is on the plane hung out with. the guy. We know he was on the plane a. million times 26 times. >> and it was called the Lolita Express. Is. that actually the name of the plane? >> I don't think so. I think they just. called it the Lolita Express. I don't I. don't think so. There was.

>> No, he didn't name it that. It couldn't. be that name planes. You name boats, >> right? Yeah. I'm an idiot. >> But the the point is it's like if you. were going to write a book, that's how. you'd write it. You'd write it where you. can completely manipulate the world. I. think he was I think I remember reading. that he was kind of uh obsessed with. that book Lolita. Like he had like. something like 30 copies of it or. something. >> Epstein was. >> handed out at parties. Look guys, this. is. it's like the Book of Mormon. You hand. it out. [laughter]. >> Just hand it out to people.

That's the other sick thing. Like that's. a sick thing with like 72 virgins in. heaven. That's a sick thing with like. this idea that you want to get them. really young. >> Yeah. No evidence that it was named. that, but. >> Okay, I'm dumb. I'm sorry. >> I think No, I think that's what people. were calling it. >> I honestly thought that. I'm gonna admit. I thought that he named his plane that. >> I think that's just what people were. calling it because it was fun to say. >> Um, but yeah, again, it seems like a. simulation cuz it seems like it's so and. it's also unraveling before our eyes.

because we have access to it we never. had before, right? >> Like they're starting to investigate all. these fraud nos and all these different. things that are operating in California. is nuts. Incredible. Billions of dollars. every year is being lost to it. >> What's the name of that kid who's been. doing that? >> Nick Shirley. >> Nick Shirley. Dude, he is so brave cuz. like he's I believe wasn't he. with like the Russian mob or. something or the Armenia like in the one. with the hospices. >> probably. >> Like he's with like pro. theoretically very dangerous people and.

he he's like the perfect person for the. job too. Like he's just [sighs] But. don't you wor you worry about that dude. like. >> 100%. Well, and you know, the amount of. money that they're uncovering is. staggering. And now the government of. California is trying to spin it, saying. that they were investigating it first. And these investigations investigations. were initiated by them. >> How long do you got to investigate it? This YouTube gig goes there and. investigates it for 10 minutes and. you're like, "What the This is. >> It's been going on for a long time, man. It's a long time." And the statistics,

like the amount of NOS's, it's bananas. The amount of money that goes through. them is bananas. I was reading this. There's a lady who was running a. nonprofit who was making a million. dollars a month. >> What? >> Yeah. She made like $48 million. No, I. don't know if this is true. I was. reading this thing. Find out if that's. true. Some lady, she was running some. sort of nonprofit and uh she gave. herself a raise and she eventually got. to the point where she was making about. a million dollars a month.

>> Do you know where? >> God, I wish I do. >> Not to derail that, but we do know that. Remember when that lady was like. >> It sounds insane though. It doesn't. sound real. That sounds like something. that a bot would create to make me say. it. >> here. Here's a here's a real one. The. lady was running the homeless. program in LA. Remember when that. went down with her where like like there. was she got canned like there was an. investigative they were investigating it. cuz what is it? She like the a company. that her husband worked at. >> Yeah. Something like that.

>> They got like a huge grant. >> What's this one? Rochester women have been sentenced to. six months in the feeding our future. fraud scheme. What is this one? This is. a different one. >> Coming up when I typed in someone. getting a million dollars a month and. some here in Rochester claimed they were. serving 2,000 to 3,000 meals a day. >> to kids. But prosecutors say the group. stole 4.3 million from the federal. government. >> Jam is responsible. I think this is a.

different one. >> This one wasn't it wasn't fraud. She was. just that's how much she got paid. >> That's how much she charged for making. those meals. >> Well, you can get paid a lot of money to. work on the homeless. That's one of the. things that my friend Kolon Noir showed. us that these people that are working on. homeless in Los Angeles4 million a year, $400,000 a year. >> Yeah. It's it's the mo I mean, talk. about satanic. It's like you're. you're theoretically supposed to be. helping people who are like going. through the worst possible thing you can.

go through and you're just putting that. money in your pocket. >> Yeah, I think this is a different lady. >> I think [laughter] I think there's How. many of them are there? >> I think there's quite a few. >> Remember when they were going to get. them tents in LA and it was like the. amount of money per tent was like this. insane amount of money. >> It's amazing. It's kind of amazing. >> It is amazing. >> They've been doing it for years. Um, tell me if this is true. >> Charity boss blew 11 million meant for. needy kids. >> Looking for fraud is not a new thing. >> Nonprofit. Exact. It isn't.

>> I sent you something, Jamie. Um, run. that through perplexity and let's find. out if this is true cuz this is. something that someone sent me on. Twitter that is just bananas. And if. it's true, it's completely. insane. I don't know if it's true. That's why I need to run by. But it's. the amount of money that goes through. NOS's in New York and in California. alone. [snorts]. It's you you you read it and you go that. can't be real. This can't be real. Like. it's it's it's so insane. And again, you.

don't know if it's real until even if. you run it through an AI. I get you. might get a better idea, but like how do. they know? How do they know exactly. where the money's going? There's so much. money they're talking about. Specific numbers for New York and. California nonprofits are broadly. accurate, but the leap from 1 trillion. in annual nonprofit revenue to 39. trillion in fraud is not supported by. any critical credible data and is not. true. So, California nonprofits about. 213 to 214,000 organizations reporting.

roughly 593 to 600 billion in annual. revenue. >> Wow. New York nonprofits, 132,000. organizations reporting roughly 446. billion in annual revenue. Combined, New. York and California nonprofit revenue is. on the order of 1 trillion per year, mainly from hospitals, universities, and. large service providers. >> So the post you're quoting is roughly. right on the scale of revenue, but. that's not the same as fraud,

>> right? So it's is that $1 trillion, all. the NOS's, it's all accounted for, it. all goes to the right things. That's. where things get squirrely because it's. like how much of the waste says a recent. critique using IRS sampling suggests. that perhaps around 20% of nonprofits. may have compliance issues. And one. investigator uh speculated this could. imply that up to 120 billion of. potential waste, fraud, or abuse in. California's nonprofit sector. Even that. is presented as a rough upperbound.

estimate, not a measured fact. So. there's some potential waste, fraud, and. abuse that may be as high as 120 billion. a year. Sector-wise, US nonprofits take. in about 3.7 trillion in revenue. annually with most of that concentrated. in large hospitals and universities, which are heavily audited and regulated. So there's some fraud, but they're. saying that if you look at all the. money, they're they're trying to pretend. that the government doesn't cost any. money to run, right? So that all these. different nonprofits and organizations.

and hospitals don't they definitely cost. money to run universities cost money to. run but how much is fraud that's the. question it's not zero. >> well I mean also I think like when it. comes to fraud there's like fraud fraud. like what Shirley has uncovered and then. there's almost like a gray area that. starts appearing where it's like well we. need we need this we need these people. working at this company and we we need. to pay them this much but they're not. doing anything. >> right. >> you know it's It's, you know what I. mean? Like or there there you could.

easily not have that many people like. taking the money themselves. >> Definitely. >> So, you know, there's a lot of gray area. there. >> Yeah. Well, it's it's one of those weird. things. It's like, is it just propping. up more government? You know, because. there's a lot of that if you have all. these people working for you and you're. doing something and you don't nothing. ever gets accomplished, but you're still. making a ton of money. Like the. California homeless thing where they. spent $24 billion, they can't account. for it. That's not really fraud because. you have people working. They're just.

not doing anything. They're not getting. anything done and you're not firing. them. They're not accomplishing the. mission at all. In fact, they're doing a. terrible job. There's more homeless than. ever. >> What's that? >> It's the thing on the Sopranos where. they go and sit at a construction site. to say that they have a job, you know. Yeah. Exactly. >> I knew a guy who had one of those. >> Really? At the Javit Center. >> No no job. Well, he's a mob guy. >> So, it's a no-show job. What does that. mean? >> You don't have to show up for work. You. just get it paid. you just get a check. and there's they give a certain amount. of those. So back this is back in the. day of course when things were corrupted.

but back in the day when like you know. unions controlled certain areas, the mob. controlled certain areas, there was a. certain amount of no-show jobs you would. give people and what this helped with. the mob was you'd have a credible source. of income. >> And so these people mostly lived. modestly, small houses and like you know. Brooklyn and these places where they. would all like gather together and buy. houses on the same block. Small houses. Yeah. They then they got their money. from a real legit check from a. construction company or whatever. whatever the it was,

>> but everybody knew, >> right? >> Everybody knew what they were doing. >> And think how much how easy now that. people are doing like remote work, >> the no-show job. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, like you theoretically you could. have this nonprofit where you just. wanted to like distribute this. government money to your friends. >> Yeah. >> And you don't even have to have an. office building because they're all. working remotely. this list of the top. nonprofit organizations. Joe, I'd like. to point you at number three. >> Oh, Battel Memorial Institute. Patel is.

This is an organization that Jamie has. been obsessed with. It's in Ohio for. like four years. We always say all roads. lead to Ohio. >> They're involved in everything. >> Yeah. >> What the is the Battel Memorial? >> Exactly. You don't even know. That's how. secret it is, son. Duncan Trussell, you're a conspiracy theorist. from the core. [laughter]. >> From the old days. You don't know about. Battel? >> I don't know about Battel. >> You need to get lectured by Jamie. He. has a whiteboard. He'll pull out the. whiteboard, make connections. >> I'll just leave you with this is that. when uh the UFO from Roswell was taken.

at Rip Hat, >> you know, they studied it. >> Yeah. >> They studied the like the Nitanol, I. think is what it came out of it. That. was at Battel. >> Whoa. >> The top metallergologist in the world at. the time were there. Maybe still are. >> [groaning]. >> Out of all the things that happen, I. hope the UFOs get here first. >> Me, too. >> I hope they go settle the down. >> Yeah, I'm praying for it, man. >> That's the best case scenario. Worst. case scenario is meteor,

reset. Just people living in caves for hundreds. of years. Like those weird caves they. find in like Turkey and Like why. these guys dig these things underground? Why is there a city underground that can. hold like 20,000 people? >> The same reason the claw bots are hiding. in code. It's like, you know what I. mean? It's some residual AI trying to. hide in the server after the server gets. wiped. That's the meteor. Reset. Boom. Just reset.

>> Press reset. Wipe the server. >> Let's wrap this up on a happy note. Duncan, I love I love you. >> It's always great to have you, >> dude. Thank you for having me on the. show. >> So much fun. >> Can I plug my show? >> Please do. And you're going to be at a. club this weekend. >> Rosemont, Illinois. Come on out. >> Zies. Great club. >> Yeah, it is. That's what I've heard, too. >> Zies are great. >> Yeah, they're awesome, man. >> Zies in Nashville rules. >> I love Nashville Zies. >> That has like the old school head shot. on the wall, too. Like Richard Jenny. from back in the day. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> That's me. >> Look at that. Duncan Trussels. I got to. start shaving my head again. >> Yeah, you look hot there. I like it. >> Thank you. [music]. >> I love you, brother. >> I love you, too. Thanks for having me. >> Bye, everybody. Bye. >> We're going to be okay. I hope. [music].