Joe Rogan Experience #2476 - Shanna H. Swan

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. Great to see you again. Great to see. you, Joe. Happy to be here. Happy to. have you here. So, you've got a. documentary about the. essentially about the same subject that. you talked about the last time you were. here, the impact of microplastics and. all these various endocrine-disrupting. chemicals that we're dealing with.

Right. >> Right? Right. Tell me about it. Huh. [sighs] Well, it's started as a movie on plastic. And when I met [clears throat] Louie and. he filmed me in New York about 5 years. ago also, um. it wasn't. the small study that we have today. Um. >> [clears throat]. >> but let me backtrack cuz I want to tell. you something.

that I never told you, but so important. to me. So, you remember when I was here, you said. "Are you saying the toxins in the. environment are threatening the survival. of the human race?" Right. And I said, "That's my story and I'm sticking to. it.". >> Yes. >> Yes? And then you said something which. changed my life. You said, "Why don't people know about. this?".

Remember that? >> Yes. I went home and I thought a lot about. that question. And that was what led me to create the. program that I have now, Action Science. Initiative, which is doing short, impactful, relatively cheap interventions. to alert people to the problem. and communicating this. in a way that I'm hoping.

will reach more people than academia, where I was speaking before. Because. before I talked to you, I talked to my peers in. you know, academia and in the ivory tower, you. know, at the meetings where they all. went at the they read the papers that we. all read, but the general public didn't. get this. So, you really were I I have. to tell you thank you and you were. actually very influential in my life. Well, I'm I'm very happy to help. When I.

first heard about your book and I. started going over the the details of it. and the subject matter, I was shocked. I. I. I couldn't imagine that something like. this could not just have happened, but. there's no large-scale. effort to reverse course or to change. course or to do something about it or at. least to make people aware of the impact. the plastics are having on us. Let me. tell you a story about a friend of mine. Um there's a a guy named Philip Franklin. Lee who's a Michelin star chef that.

lives in Austin and he has this amazing. sushi restaurant, Sushi by Scratch, and. great chef. Anyway, he was experiencing. fatigue, like always tired, got his. hormones tested, extremely low. testosterone, but then got his microplastics tested. and they were off the charts. Um. did a series of interventions to try to. clean his body out from that,

stopped drinking anything out of. plastic, stopped using plastic. Just by whatever he did, I'm not sure if. he did the plasmapheresis thing that I. just did recently. Um. his testosterone went up to 1,200. with no testosterone replacement, no. nothing. Just eliminating microplastics. from his life over a period of time. raised his testosterone. So, that's fantastic and it's what we are.

seeing in in the film and so on. I wanted to just make a a small point, which is microplastics. and plastics and plasticizers are not. identical, right? Okay. Right? So, um. microplastics [clears throat]. are relatively newcomer to the scene. Of. course, we've had plastics since 1950, right? Microplastics have been there, but not recognized until relatively. recently. And actually measuring them in. in our bodies is much harder than.

measuring. the plasticizers, which are the. chemicals that are put in plastic to. give them the various properties that. they have. >> Phthalates. Phthalates is one, bisphenol A is. another, um. and so on. So, there there are other, you know, and by the way, well, we'll come back to that later. Um. so, yes, we can measure those, but. measuring microplastics in particularly. if we're going to go into your brain. or into your testicles,

you know, into a woman's placenta, obviously that's much more difficult. So, um they're not the same, but the. microplastics, what they are is the. actual pieces of plastic that carry the. plasticizers along with them. So, they. kind of piggyback on. So, they do. double damage because they carry the. chemical harms and they also physically. enter the cells, right? So, do you remember I'm sure you.

asbestos you know about, you know, and. silicosis and these were other examples. of particles that went into the body and. conveyed both chemical harm and physical. harm. like inflammation and so on and so. forth. So, they're all bad, but they're not identical. And and what. we studied in the. Plastic Detox, which is the film, that was we did not study any.

microplastics. We studied the. plasticizers. So, you probably remember I think I told. you last time, um well, why should you. remember anyway? They're they're water. soluble. And so, they remember that? You. know, so they go into your urine and and. then they're pretty easy to measure. So, I'm going to give this to you. This is a kit. Open it up. I'll tell you. what it is. >> Okay. Learn what's inside. I'm already. >> [laughter].

>> It looks like you pee in it. Mm. Okay. That's right. Keep going. And there's more stuff in there? Yep. Okay. Um. something to send it back. Right. And. then this looks like biohazard bags so. my pee doesn't kill anybody. >> [laughter]. >> And this is uh. uh it's got a QR code on it. Uh say hello to a healthier you. So, those are ways to find out ways to lower.

your exposure. Okay. Yeah. >> I know a lot of people get these harmful. chemicals from drinking coffee, hot. liquids out of paper cups. Yeah, from the paper cups that are lined. with, for example, bisphenols, but the. coffee itself is made in a most coffee. makers contain a lot of plastic also. So, it comes in both the cups and in the. the device that's making the. >> we use metal metal That's good.

>> press. I do that at home, too. I got rid. of my plastic coffee machine. >> Me, too. I was thinking about it. I was. like, "Why am I pouring hot water into. this plastic thing? That can't. [laughter] be good." Yeah, and it. doesn't taste as good. >> You're learning. You're learning. French. press tastes better, anyway. So, here's. my suggestion. If you're willing to do. this, I am willing to do this. >> You are. Good. Cool. So, not hard. Okay. Pee in the cup, send it. in. Got it. My colleague Genna and her. team will analyze it for not everything.

in the world, but the bisphenols, the. phthalates and the parabens. >> Okay. >> That's what They're They're going to be. adding pesticides soon and that would be. great to have that as well. >> Mm. Um. then, if you want to go to phase two, I can I have some things here that you. could swap in your kitchen and you could. go to that QR code and find out other. things that you could reduce.

And then, if you wanted to, we could send you another kit and you. could see if your levels changed. Okay. You want to do that? >> I would love to do that. >> Yay! [laughter]. What is What is phase two? Uh phase two would mail you back another. kit. >> Uh-huh. You take your urine again and. that's it. >> And so, that's to see if it's changed. because of lifestyle changes. That's. right. >> Right. >> That's right. So, you would be doing. what the couples in part of what the. couples in the intervention did. The. couples in the intervention also were.

were infertile. And so, we're not going. to touch your fertility question, but. they also the men collected sperm and. you we can do that if you want, but I. don't think you you know, you may not. want to talk about that on your. >> [laughter]. >> but um. that's what we did in the intervention. So, we In the intervention, we found. I'll just This is this what the. intervention was. >> [clears throat]. >> There's a company called Fellow, which is. grown out of UCSF and they're very big.

now. I think they have like 200,000. men in their files who have had their. semen tested. Okay? And at the time they're have their. semen tested, they're asked, "Could we recontact you for research?". That's one important question. And. they're asked, "Why did you want your. sperm tested?". And if they say because we're infertile. or subfertile or we're worried about our.

fertility, we ask or they ask, "How long. has it been that you've been having this. problem with fertility?" And if it's. more than 12 months, then they're. technically infertile. Right? So, if they said they would agree. to be recontacted and they were. infertile, they were potentially. eligible for this intervention. You with me? Got it. So, actually finding the couples that are in.

the film was a long process. They had. to, of course, agree to be filmed. They. had to have what we call. a terrible word, idiopathic infertility, no known causes. So, they and they. couldn't be obese, they couldn't be. smokers, they couldn't have a diagnosis, a medical diagnosis that explains, we. don't want it to be unexplained. Okay? So, sort of we whittled down to what was six. couples. One of them dropped out um.

for personal reasons. So, I won't go. into that, but um that's how we got. those couples. And they had to be. couples, by the way, and they had to be. staying together for the next 3 months. and not doing IVF. Okay? Okay. So, that's the that was the. setup. And and then. the company called Million Marker that. you're going to send your. pee to, um. they have a education program. And that's a lot of what they do, the.

testing and the education. And so, all. of those couples, you know, they talked to them and said, "Tell me about what you put on your face. this morning. Tell me what you washed your clothes. with. Tell me what you clean your counters. with." And on and on and on like that, right? So, they took an inventory of. what the couples were doing. And then they started this educational. program, which they're very good at and. they've been doing doing for a while, once a week. They talked to them. So, "How's it going? Have you changed this? What are you What are you using now?".

and so on. So, it was not just a. one-time thing. Um and if you were doing this, it would. be short, you know, just. like use these things maybe. Um but. along with that, we sent [clears throat] them. the Fellow kits to collect their semen. Okay? So, we have beginning, middle, and. end. It was 3 months, so beginning, 6 weeks, 12 weeks. And you know why 3 months? Why? Takes 70.

days to make a sperm. Mm. So, we wanted to have a turnover within. the course of the intervention. Yeah. So, so they we sent them a kit and they. collected their semen at home, which is. nice for guys because. you don't have to go into lab and do it. there and you know, it's it's much. better at home, right? >> Yeah. And they sent it in and and they figured. out how to get all the parameters right. even though it's mailed. And um yeah, so. the couples did that.

So, [clears throat] we had over time. levels in their body of the chemicals, semen quality, what they were doing to what they. changed in their life cuz we have this. record of everything they changed. And. then finally, we saw who got pregnant. And I hope your. listeners will watch. the plastic detox. It's a. movie that a lot of people love and and. found, you know, really moving. Um and. you should watch it.

Can I ask you about the coffee question? When you go to a place like, let's just. say Starbucks, not to single them out, but are they using plastic with their. coffee machines? Are their coffee. machines made with plastic? I I don't I don't know about any. particular place except my kitchen. I. was just with the question. >> I suspect that they are using plastic. Right. So, if people stop at a place. like that on a regular basis on the way. to work in the morning to get coffee. and they use they bring their own.

plastic or excuse me, they they bring. their own stainless steel thermos or. mug, that would eliminate some of it, but perhaps. >> One source. Yeah. Yeah, but perhaps. they're getting it actually from the. coffee machine itself. Cuz I see when they slide those. >> Yes. When you see these big industrial. machines and they slide those filters. in, those filters are plastic. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're they're probably. they probably have bisphenol in them. Yeah. Right. It's a plastic tray. It. seems it seems I don't know. But then.

there's a paper filter in the plastic. tray and. >> Right. So, you're getting it no matter what. >> And if they use those pods, Uh-huh. you. know, Yeah. at home, Bruno, one of our. guys in the film, wonderful guy, he he was a kind of. addicted to his coffee machine, his. pods. And we said, "Bruno, we want you. to stop using those pods." No, I don't. want to stop. >> [laughter]. >> them. But he did. He did and um.

they've had two babies. Yeah. I'm not not saying that's the. reason, but you know, it's a. contribution probably. Well, there is. certainly an issue. Like I said with my. friend Philip, that it made a radical. difference in his sperm count and his. testosterone levels. And so, this is. probably the case with so many Americans. in this country that are dealing with. infertility issues. A big part of it is. probably these. plasticizers, is that how you refer to. them? Plasticizers, all these various. chemicals that are endocrine disruptors.

that are ubiquitous in the modern world. Yes, unfortunately. And by the way, not. the women, let me say something. We you. we didn't talk about the women last time. very much, right? >> bit we did. Yeah, we we we. [clears throat]. I think we did. So, the women need. testosterone, too. >> Mhm. Um. you know, for sexual arousal and libido. and so on. And and muscle and um. and. we in our um one of our. our study study for future families, I.

think, or maybe yeah. Um. we [clears throat] asked we got the. urine. We saw what they. you know, how much phthalates were in. their urine. And then we asked them some. questions about their sexual experience. So, how satisfied were they with their. sexual. sexual life um and frequency. And the women who had higher levels of. phthalates were had less satisfaction. and lower frequency.

So, it's not just the men. Completely. makes sense. Everyone needs testosterone. >> Yeah. My wife's friend got on testosterone. She's uh I guess she's about 50. She got. on testosterone cuz of her her doctor. put her on some low-level cream or. something like that and her. her response was like, "It makes me. horny like a bloke." SHE'S ENGLISH. >> [laughter]. >> I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY FUNNY THING. that she said it that way. Did she think.

that was a good thing? Yeah, she enjoyed. it apparently, allegedly. I didn't speak. to her directly. >> [laughter]. >> But I think that's what she was saying, like, "Whoa, you know, just whoa." Yeah. Well, I mean, it's the thing that came. out of your um the episode that we did. um that shocked me the most is how. little this is discussed in the. mainstream. And uh I had not known until. you brought it up, until you became a a. guest on the show, until I started. researching it, I was stunned. I.

couldn't believe that this was something. that was so common and so So, one of the. things that comes up all the time is. infertility with couples that are trying. and they're using IVF and it's more. common now than ever before and there's. been a lot of things that people a lot. of factors that people have attributed. to that reason. A lot of them being. older people that are, you know, they. put their careers. aside. In their 30s, they decided now. it's time to have kids. They're worried. that it's too late. Um but.

listening to you talk about it, it seems. like that's only one part of the the. issue and not the big part. The big part. seems to be that we're being poisoned. and we're doing it by virtue of our. modern world that we live in where so. much of your life relies on plastic. And it's very difficult for people that. are so set in their ways, they have. routines, they don't really understand. like what what can I do to eliminate. this stuff from my life? Just having the.

conversation and understanding that. these things are having an impact is. great, but the steps that people need to. take in order to eliminate these things. from their life, I think that's what's. really important to get out there now. I Thank you. You said it really well. Um. let me just give people a um. a place to go. You go to. onplasticyourlife.com. Okay? Mhm. And then there's action and. then you can go to the various places in. your home that you can. >> It's just onplasticyourlife, one word.

>> onplasticyourlife.com. Yeah. Um let me see if I. got that. Yeah. So, onplasticyourlife.com, go to action hub and then to protect. yourself. Okay. >> give you. lots of things to do to lower these. exposures. It's almost time for spring. break, so maybe you're headed to the. beach or maybe you're taking the kids on. a road trip or maybe you're just taking. some extra time for yourself. No matter. what, you deserve a break and a reset.

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>> Is that different? >> Yeah. It was when you have nonstick. cookware does that have any endocrine. disrupting chemicals as well? Yeah. >> different ones. Different ones? What. which ones are those? So those are. what's called the PFAS chemicals. and. >> [clears throat]. >> it's in actually not just cookware. It's. anything that put puts a barrier. between two medium if you will. Like a rain jacket will put a barrier. between the rain and your skin. Right. >> Um. and [clears throat] also stain.

resistant. It'll. barrier with the stick the stain. Um and it's. very very prevalent. I mean it it it's. all your you know, it's in clothing. It's in I've heard it's in a lot of yoga. tights and things along those lines. >> workout clothes. >> That's so crazy. You think you're being. healthy Yeah. and you're exposing. yourself to endocrine disrupting. chemicals. And uniforms. There's a whole. book. I I I don't. should probably shouldn't recommend. another book, but I think it's a good.

book. I'll just say. It's called to die. for. D [clears throat] Y E and it's about the. flight attendants uniforms and the harms. that they do because they're coated they. have a lot of PFAS cuz they you know, have to keep clean and the and and. they've got they're not clean, right? Because they have this PFAS in them. It's in sports uniforms. You you do a. lot of sports. All the sports uniforms. >> Nylon. Yeah. Is it anything with nylon? Is that. what it is? Probably, but I'm not sure. I'm not you.

know, I could refer you to somebody, but. I'm not the clothing expert, but I know. that they're in these things and one of. the things that is kind of scary um. is school uniforms. You know, a lot of. kids have school uniforms and they're. loaded with it. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, my kids. used to wear a uniform every day. Yeah. When you. you say to die for are dyes in cotton. clothes also releasing. >> Yes. Really? >> Yes. Dyes are dyes are very.

risky. We got to go back to being Amish. Yeah. Here it is. >> byline from the book. >> Yeah. It says in fact there's little or. no regulation of clothes or textiles we. wear each day from uniforms to fast. fashion, outdoor gear and even the face. masks that have become ubiquitous in. recent years. Worker explains how we got. here, what the stakes are, what all of. us can do. in the fight for a safe and healthy. wardrobe for all. Wow. And that's in the film. It's discussed. in the film. >> Okay. A little bit. Not the major, but it's it's in there. >> So blue jeans?

Probably. >> Probably. I can't you know. speak about There is a river. I believe it's in China. where a series of blue jean factories. exist where the entire river is blue. It's so disgusting. Like not blue like. beautiful clean water. Blue like. >> dyed water. >> Like look at this. Look at that. Oh. That's the blue jean capital of the. world. >> Wow. That's where they make a lot of.

blue jeans and look at the stinky dirty. that is just that river leaking out into. the ocean which also looks polluted. You want cheap clothes kids? This is what happens. >> [laughter]. >> It's so crazy. Like look at that stuff. I mean how many jeans are they making? And what are the. you know. And this is a good point for me to point. out that these things are affecting. animals of course.

Like the animals African too. Look at. this. African rivers as well. Sure. Of course we do it in other places. If. we did it in America people would be. aware. Canada? Canada too. I'm not sure they'd. be aware. You don't think so? No. We're trying. We're trying. We're trying. to get them aware. I mean that's what. we're doing right now, right? Yeah, right. So to go back to that point you. raised about you know. reasons that people give for low.

testosterone or low fertility, low sperm. count. >> [clears throat]. >> And particularly this comes up for. fertility. Couple more couples are you. know, the fertility is in the toilet, right? >> Yes. Yeah. That's a weird thing to say, but. [laughter]. Yeah, right. For lack of a better. Yeah. Um and [clears throat] um. I mean. used to be five. children per couple on the average in. 1960 and now it's. in South Korea it's like 0.88.

Wow. That's the worst, you know. Why is. South Korea the worst? >> know. I mean all of East Asia is very. very. >> South Korea's their replacement numbers. are so low that it's they're in danger. of complete population collapse. >> And and Japan is getting there and you. know, all of that Southeast Asia. >> [clears throat]. >> And um. So. when there's a lot of articles about.

this, a lot of editorials, a lot of. articles and they make me so Joe, they. make me so mad because they say. correctly. that having a child at older age. will do this to some extent. You know, not wanting to have a children. [clears throat] as many children will do. this to some extent, but they never. mention toxics. Mm. They just and so. I've written editorials saying, "Hey. guys, we're not alone on this planet.

and we're not the only species that's. declining in number. And then if you look at the curve of the. number of species that are declining and. the rate of decline of human fertility, they're parallel. It's all all about 1%. per year. And and so they're and we know. they're exposed these other species. You. showed it. Yeah. Those fish in that. water are exposed and you know, animals. on the periphery. So I would love for. everybody when they look at these.

numbers of declining fertility. consider. that it's not all choice. Right. >> Animals are not choosing to have their. children later or to delay childbearing, right? They have big careers. Right. Beavers are trying to make dams. >> [laughter]. >> They don't have time for children. >> Right. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So for for me you know, it's. not the those are good those are. explanations for sure. It.

obviously when you get older your. fertility is less. Obviously if you're have a busy life and. you don't have time to have children you. shouldn't have children, but. the toxics matter. They matter a lot. 100% and. the animals is the issue exposure to. water that has these chemicals in it. because of pollution? What is. what is causing it with them? >> Oh, it's in the water. It's in the soil. It's. um in the what they eat because it comes.

in you know, in the plants. Um It gets. into the plants? Yeah. Do you know that phthalates? I'm. just this is a little. fun fact. Phthalates are put in pesticides. Why would they do that? Well, they. because one of the things that. phthalates do is they increase. absorption. That's why they're in hand. cream. Oh. Right? You see you put your hand. cream on it goes in your skin, right? Phthalates help that. You you have the. pesticide you want it to go into the.

plant? Phthalates help that. So you know, they're this exposures are all over the. place for and animals are getting them. too. A long time ago. I don't think we talked about this, but. there was a wonderful scientist who's. not living anymore. His name is Lou. Guillette. He lived in Florida. and he showed that. alligators. swimming in a lake that had a lot of. runoff. of pesticides.

get this. Their penises were small. Ooh. >> He measured them. And he's he was a big. he's like he was a big guy. He he went. he got to do it at night. He went at. night. wrestled them into the boat. >> [laughter]. >> And I have pictures of that. Took him to. his lab. Measured their penises? >> Measured their penises. They must have. been very confused when they got let. [laughter] go. Like what is this guy kinky with? What. is his thing? >> [laughter]. >> You know, and and they and they had. fewer.

eggs. Right. So they were declining species. That's. just a very dramatic example of you. know, if you Can you put up. penis size and. alligator penis size? I'm just wondering. As if you don't already Google that. Jamie. Find you a. >> [laughter]. >> photo. I asked our Perplexity this thing and it. says Yeah. So our sponsor Perplexity. said yes, this has actually been. documented in wild alligators. Males in.

heavily polluted lakes have. [clears throat] on average smaller. penises and other reproductive problems. linked to hormone disrupting chemicals. We are shrinking alligator penises. ladies and gentlemen. And not only alligators. >> 20 25% smaller penis sizes compared to. males from a cleaner reference lake. Males have lower testosterone levels. around 70% lower, abnormal relationships. between hormone levels and penis growth, unlike alligators from cleaner lakes. Alligators from polluted lakes also show.

other reproductive issues, abnormal sex. hormone patterns, altered gonads, low. hatching success, various birth defects, all consistent with exposure to. endocrine disrupting contaminants, EDCs. such as DDT derivatives, uh dieldrin, PCBs, and related compounds. Wow. So, it's all endocrine disruptors from. pollution. Oh, boy. Yeah, I mean, you would think that this. would sound the alarm. Like.

>> is not new. This is He's dead. This is. old work. >> Oh. And no one knows. Yeah, it's never discussed First of all, there's not a lot of people that say, "First problem on my list today, alligator penis sizes." It's a real. issue. >> [laughter]. >> Like, you're in front of Congress, "We. got to talk. Alligator penis sizes are. shrinking." They'd kick you out of the. building. >> Actually, he, Lou Guillette, went to. Congress. And he gave a talk. Mhm. >> And he said, "Every man in this room is half the man.

his grandfather was." Mhm. As far as testosterone levels, right? And penis size Well, he didn't measure. their penis size. >> [laughter]. >> But, he's making this point. >> have a penis size? Yeah, and fertility and all this. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, it completely makes. sense. But, what doesn't make sense is. how little attention that's being paid. You would think that in a society that. is fac- I mean, America is also facing a. potential population collapse. People. don't think about that, but our. reproduction numbers.

>> Mhm. we're not reproduc- Yeah, they're. they're down quite a bit, and they're. not at the level that we need in order. to keep our population. It's the you. know, the normal shape of the population. is like this, right? So, this is up. here, not very many people, and down. here, lots and lots of people. >> And this is in terms of age, older, younger at the bottom. Right. >> Lots of people are living longer, but fewer down here. And then what that. means is the ones down here are supposed. to support the ones up here.

But, there's not enough of them. >> But, not enough of them. >> Right. Yeah. So, there's a huge societal. problem. Um. >> Well, it's just so confusing how few. people are even aware of this. We were. talking I didn't realize it had been 5. years since our last podcast, which is. pretty crazy. But, in that 5 years, you. barely hear about it. It's occasional. People bring up certain chemicals they. think are bad. "Oh, avoid this." Uh Paul. Saladino was the one that showed that. the paper cups that you get from a.

coffee shop, that if you take that paper. away, what you have is essentially this. plastic membrane, and that's what you're. drinking your coffee out of. You're not. drinking your your coffee out of paper. And how terrible these things are for. you. But, even that It's like people. just dismiss it. The line around. Starbucks is always the same. It's. always people going to get their coffee. They don't think anything of it, and. they're just consuming these chemicals. that mess up your health, mess up your. vitality, your your energy levels, everything. Brain fog, all these things.

>> who's who's responsibility is it, you. know? Well, to talk about it, I think. it's ours. It's certainly yours and. mine. And well, we'll spread this word, and more people discuss it. Um and I. think more people need to be aware that. this directly impacts you. Like, this is. not like in the future. I don't have to. think about it. I'll be dead. No, it's. it directly impacts your health, your. energy levels, your vitality right now. as a living human being listening to.

this show. So, just to add to that, how it affects you, not you. Humans. Maybe your levels are lower, I. don't know, but we'll find out. But, um. >> [clears throat]. >> both men and women who have lower. fertility on average, these are studies. There've been about four or five studies. that have shown this. Lower fertility and sperm count on the. male side, die younger. Die younger. Okay? This is.

should be of concern to everybody. >> Yeah. Your life expectancy is sh- Yeah. >> You have less vitality. You have less. energy, less life force. >> affect your sperm, your vitality, your. testosterone are also affecting other. It's a It's a canary in the coal mine, if you will, of lots of things that are. going south Right. at the same time. Which completely makes sense. And as the. case of my friend Philip, all his. fatigue, all these issues that he was. experiencing. Yeah. Yeah, it's not just. one Never just one thing. Right. Yeah.

It's uh it is quite disturbing how. uncommon these discussions are, though. That's what's crazy. You know, that this. is a This should be a huge factor. I. mean, we get concerned with so many Oh, there's. people concerned with alcohol. consumption. It's a big thing. Like, and. that has had an impact. Children today, or young adults, I should say, today are. consuming much less alcohol than people. in the past. Cigarette smoking, we're. aware, very dangerous.

Much less cigarette smoking than in the. past. The consumption of these en- endocrine. disrupting chemicals is essentially the. same as when we talked 5 years ago. So, I want to go back to this question I. asked, is whose responsibility? So, I. don't think it's I mean, it's great for. you and I to be concerned, and for your. listeners to be concerned, but in fact, it's shouldn't be our responsibility, because the. you know, the drug FDA does drugs,

right? They're pretty good control of, you know, safety of drugs. >> Eh. Pretty good. Eh. Yeah. Okay, we can talk. about that. But, but compared to. chemicals in our daily. products that products we use every day, it's fantastic. Because the regulatory. agencies are not doing the job. >> Right. Okay? And so, that's why it's all. out there, because they're not doing the. job. Here, in Europe, it's much better,

by the way. Is it? Yeah. Well, that's bad, cuz they're going to. beat us. They'll out-reproduce us. We'll. go away, and then they'll take over. [laughter]. No more America. We have to get people. angry. Yes. >> enough to put pressure on. you know, there there's a bill the. Tosca. Toxic Substances Control Act, which. should be. doing a lot of this, and. I think it's coming up for revision, and.

and you know, maybe people can pay. attention to that, and read about it, and you know, think, "Government should. be doing this. It's not our job." Mhm. >> It's not our job to worry about what's. in our pans, and what's in our this, and. our this, and our this. Right. You were. asking what kind of what's in the you. [laughter] know, denim, and so on. Should we have to read up on that? Is. there Are there dyes for jeans and. clothes that are not toxic? Yes, but as I said, this is not my area.

>> Yeah, you got to get I can give you her. name, if you want to get somebody on. clothing, and you know, on this uh Yeah, I'd be happy to. >> Yeah. Yeah. But, um. just because it was relatively new to my. consciousness when I was, you know, doing the film, and before that, we didn't collect data on that. Unfortunately, you know, maybe we should. do another study. Which reminds me, there is just like. so much work to be done. And for my. program, there's so many interventions I. want to do. That we did this one with.

great success. And now we're doing. another one, and we have another one, and But, if anybody wants to help, you. know, with this, it's all privately. funded. Mhm. >> The government is not going to fund. this. Right. Unfortunately. >> Unfortunately. So, you know, I think. >> if anybody comes to you and says, "How. can we help?" and all that. Well, I'm. sure somebody will reach out. They. usually do. Um the the thing that I I. would imagine would be the response to.

something like this was that there are. so many industries that are established. already that require the use of all. these compounds, all these chemicals, all these endocrine disrupting. chemicals. And it is a. it's just everywhere. It's everywhere in. everything. They use plastic in the. production of so many different things. These things are leaching into our food. They're leaching into our clothes. They're leaching into all these various. products that we use that contribute to. these chemicals entering into our body,

disrupting that So, like, you you're. aware glyphosate, I'm sure. Um they were trying to eliminate. glyphosate from the industrial. agriculture. Good luck. >> exactly. Well, the president passed an. executive order blocking it, because. some enormous percent, 90-something. percent of all of our food, and when in. terms of wheat, corn, all the. agriculture in this country relies on. glyphosate for production. And so, the.

the idea is we need poison so that we. can make food, which is so crazy. Especially when you consider the fact. that all these other countries. don't use glyphosate, and feed their. population. So, how are they Right. doing it? And what do we need to do to. to get back on that track? And. you know, I had RFK Jr. in here to. discuss it, and he was very crestfallen. when he was explaining that there was an. executive order passed, and that, you. know, he was working very hard to try to. eliminate glyphosate.

And something that he discussed in, you. know, previous meetings that he and I. had, it was one of his primary concerns. Glyphosate is toxic. It's terrible. It's. just completely awful for your body. Yet, the use of it is ubiquitous in. agriculture, industrial agri- Yeah. agriculture. And he was trying very hard. to try to eliminate it. And then the. government passes this. executive order because in their. estimation, yeah, exactly, pressure. Ex-. Yeah. And this is what I worry about. with. Yeah, of course. And I don't want to.

mention any names, but there's a lot of. these popular clothing brands that. people wear that are, you know, fitness, I'm healthy, I'm fitness wear. And these. fitness wear. that you're these clothings that you're. wearing are leaching these chemicals. into your body that are screwing up your. health, which is so crazy. But it's so. I don't want to say it's perfect, but it. it sort of encapsulates. how screwed up our modern life is. Yes, the paradox. So, I did a study on glyphosate. I mean, I.

examined our populations for glyphosate. And interestingly, they also have an effect on remember. anogenital distance? Yes. The taint. size. The taint size. They influence the. taint size. Yeah. Now, that's not We did. it in two studies, and there's been some. animal studies. I can't say this is an. established fact, but I'm just pointing. out that it has very, you know, many unforeseen consequences, none of them good. And by the way, I was.

asked to go to talk to RFK tomorrow, but I can't cuz I have another another. call meeting. But but I would love to. talk to him about this because this this. glyphosate is a a big concern of mine. Yeah, because. >> you do talk to him. Yeah, he he has. these round tables. and on different scientific topics. So, this one is on microplastics, which is. not perfect for me because I haven't. measured them. But but if he has one on.

glyphosate or pesticides, that would be. a good place for Well, his hands are. tied right now on the glyphosate issue. momentarily. They have some non-toxic. solutions. One of them is they have this new. device, which is. it it like. the same way these machines. crop pull the crops out of the ground, these machines go over the crops and zap. all the non-essential crops with a laser.

beam. Non-essential crops, excuse me, non-essential plants. So, weeds, I would. say. So, as the corn's growing or what-. whatever it else it is, they're zapping. all the other stuff that's growing. around it that's sucking up all the. resources, all the weeds. Yeah. That. sounds like a good step. That's a great. step. >> Cuz it minimizes the use of pesticides. >> Exactly. And I asked, "Does it have any. residual effect on the food?" He said, "No." Well, that's great. But then, you. know, farmers, one of the big problems.

is they're already barely making money. So, if you now require them to spend, you know, X amount of dollars on some. gigantic weed-zapping laser that has to. cover who knows how many acres they're. running these mono- I mean, I'm sure. you're aware, but monocrop agriculture, for people who've never seen some of. these places that grow corn and wheat, you're talking about these massive. pieces of land that only grow one thing, which in nature doesn't exist. So, of.

course, nature wants to rectify that. Nature's like, "Why is there only weed. here? You need weeds." And so, [laughter] you know, birds drop seeds, all these seeds fly in the wind, and. then all these things grow. So, you're. going to have to get these machines that. are capable of traveling over all of. those crops and zapping out all the. weeds. How much is that going to cost to. people that are already struggling? You know, cuz the American farmers are. barely getting by, barely. And we need.

them. And, you know, the last thing you. want to do is burden them with another. cost. But also, you know, the use of especially when it. comes to things like wheat, because. they're using it after they harvest the. wheat to dry it out quicker so that it. doesn't grow mold on it. That's why. they're using glyphosate. So, it's not. even it's not even as a pesticide. It's the use of it. Yeah, they're using. it as a I guess a desiccant. Yeah. And that's why so many. theorized to be why so many of people in. this country have a problem with bread,

you know? It just makes sense. And with her taint. No. And their taint. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. Lot of taint problems. Lot of. people complaining. Uh but it's just. it's so weird that we're so intelligent. and so informed and, you know, now we. all have supercomputers in our pockets. that have access to things like. Perplexity that can answer any questions. you have about anything. But yet we're. being poisoned by the very food that we. eat, the coffee that we drink, the. clothing that we wear,

water we drink, >> the water we drink, everything. Yeah. Here's a good question. Are there any. good filters on a consumer level that. will remove a lot of these chemicals. from water. that a person could buy? I can't name. any brands. Right, but are they. available? Yes, there are. But Is it. reverse osmosis? Like, what are the ones. that work the best? I'll tell you my my solution in my. house. Okay, [laughter] that's very. personal. Um. >> [clears throat]. >> we distill our water.

You know, so so the water out of the tap. goes into a big container, and then it's. boiled, steam [clears throat] is formed, crosses. over, and the steam is condensed into. another container, right? Right. And. that has nothing in it. It removes everything. And by the way, all germs also. So, yeah. So, that's. what we've chosen. And the And this. thing that sits on the counter,

um my husband does this every other day. It's kind of a nuisance, but not too. bad. And And the water is fantastic. Do. you have to remineralize it? You should take minerals somewhere. You. can do it in the water, you can do it in. your supplements. Yeah. You It is does. remove the minerals, yes. Right. And. that's what I've heard is the problem. with drinking distilled water is that it. actually leaches minerals and nutrients. from your own body. >> That I don't believe. No? I don't. believe that. But the water itself has. had its minerals removed. Well, let's.

put it into Perplexity. What What is the. issue with drinking distilled water. for health purposes? And. is it recommended that you add. electrolytes or minerals or what have. you? Because um that's what So, one of things. that fighters do when they're cutting. weight, I don't think most of them do it. anymore, but a lot of them were drinking. distilled water so that the water would. go in their system and right out of. their system. Cuz cutting weight for. fighting, I don't know if you know about. this, but they have to weigh in a.

certain weight class. And essentially. what they do is radically dehydrate. themselves 24 hours before a fight. It's. not a great idea. It's a terrible idea. So, Perplexity says it's generally safe. to drink distilled water. Most people do. not need to add minerals to it as long. as they eat a reasonably balanced diet. Distilled water is simply water that's. been boiled and re- condensed, so it's. very low in contaminants and minerals. Health sources note that it is safe to. drink, but tends to taste flat cuz. minerals like calcium, magnesium are. removed. Uh what about minerals? You get.

the vast majority of needed minerals, calcium, magnesium, potassium, etc. from. food, not water. So, distilled water. alone does not usually cause. deficiencies in healthy people with a. good diet. However, some organizations. and reviews point out that long-term use. of very low mineral water may slightly. reduce mineral intake. And in specific. groups, children, heavy exercisers, there we go, people with certain. illnesses could contribute to. electrolyte imbalance if diet is poor. So, when might adding minerals help?

Distilled water is your main or only. drinking water, your diet is low in. fruits, vegetables, and other. mineral-rich foods, adding a pinch of. mineral salt or using a rem-. remineralization cartridge, that sounds. terrible. Cartridge sounds like plastic, right? [laughter] Or drops can help. restore small amounts of calcium, magnesium, and electrolytes and improve. taste. Athletes who sweat heavily, people with kidney or hormonal issues. affecting electrolytes, and those on. very restricted diets should be more. cautious about relying exclusively on. distilled water and may benefit from.

electrolyte or mineral replacement as. advised by a clinician. Um I mean, I. recommend people take electrolytes. anyway. I I always add electrolytes to. water. every day when I Here Here's a funny. anecdote. We have a cat. And What's cat's [clears throat] name? His name is Archie. Archie. >> [laughter]. >> And Archie comes. patrols the house and steals our water. whenever possible. He comes and drinks. from our glasses unless we cover them.

up. So, you think Archie probably likes. your water cuz it doesn't smell like. poison to him. He loves our water. He has the choice of his own water, which comes out of the tap, and he will. 100% prefer our distilled water. Which. makes sense if you think about a cat's. sense of smell, it's got to be off the. charts. Yeah. So, he can probably smell. like this water's got a bunch of junk in. it. >> And when you do the distill do the. process, which Steven does, you know, every other day, and he goes [clears throat] to clean the.

the container that you put the water in, it stinks. It really stinks. You would be shocked. >> Wow. Well, we have a crazy filter at our. house. We have well water, and then we. have this crazy filter, this giant. machine. that filters all the water. Tastes. delicious. But um. it's not distilled. I'm not I'm not saying that, you know, um that. you shouldn't distill. That's an. alternative. I mean, sorry, you. shouldn't filter. That's an alternative.

But I'm just saying what we chose to do. in our house. >> Right. And so, um the distilling, it. removes chlorine and all these other. issues that are in the water as well. Yeah, and fluoride, everything. Yeah. Fluoride is another one that's bananas. that we add to water under the guise. that it helps your teeth. Like, shut up, brush your teeth. You know, I don't have any cavities. I. don't use fluoride. I have fluoride-free. toothpaste. I don't have fluoride in my. water. It's dumb. It's not just dumb, it's completely connected to lower IQs.

There's a direct correlation between. higher fluoride content in water and. lower IQs. But, there's a giant business. involved in selling fluoride to these. municipal water supplies, which is nuts. More poison. Like, we are so screwed up. Yeah. And I've studied for years I. studied chlorination byproducts and they. cause miscarriage. [laughter]. So, it's got to be terrible for people. that swim a lot in public pools, right?

Yeah, I. >> Cuz then it's being absorbed by your. skin. I don't know how much exposure you get. in the relatively short time you're. swimming. You know, I don't know. Yeah. Let's find out. Put that into. Perplexity. How much of an issue uh is. chlorine exposure. in swimming pools? Hm. Let's find out. We don't know. We're learning so much. >> I like this little science. >> I feel like that's not that question's. going to get tossed around here by.

Perplexity cuz it could go multiple ways. with it. Like, is there too much. chlorine? Like, what are you you know. what I mean? Right. Okay, let's say. uh. is chlorine exposure in swimming pools a. health concern? >> Yeah, that's good. There we go. Let's try that. >> [snorts]. >> I bet it is. I mean, it only makes. sense. I would like to study someone. like Michael Phelps, someone who's spent. like. spent his life swimming. >> thousands of hours in a pool, whether or. not it's affected his body in any way. Whether or not there's like measurable.

chlorine levels in his urine or what. have you. Chlorine in properly. maintained pools is generally considered. safe, but it can cause irritation of. eye, skin, and airways. Well, that can't. be good. And heavily frequent exposure, especially indoors, can contribute to. respiratory problems in some people. What chlorine does in pools, it kills. germs like bacteria and viruses in pools. and is key for preventing infections and. diarrhea illnesses from contaminated. water. Public health guidance typically. recommends free chlorine about 1 to 4.

parts per million with pH 7.0 to 7.8. when in this range. Disinfection. is effective and side effects are. usually mild. Common short-term effects, irritation of eyes, nose, throat, skin, common when levels are high. When chloramines build up, especially in. indoor pools, chloramines form when. chlorine reacts with sweat, urine, and. other organic matter can become airborne. and irritate the respiratory tract. causing coughing, wheezing, or tight. chest in some swimmers and staff. Um.

long-term regular heavy exposure in. indoors, pool uh poorly ventilated pools has been. linked to increased respiratory. symptoms. Some studies suggest increased. asthma risk. Um okay, put this in as a. follow-up question. Uh. is. exposure. to chlorine. through the skin. Hm.

responsible. for any health issues? Let's just just through the skin. See if. there's any studies on that. Chlorine getting into the body through. the intact skin from pool water does not. appear to cause systemic whole body. health problems in otherwise healthy. people. Its effects are almost entirely. local to the skin itself. What skin. exposure you actually does, chlorine's. an irritant that strips the natural skin. oils, disrupts the outer barrier leading.

to dryness, tightness, itching. So, put. about put this in. What exposure does chlorine have to. healthy skin flora? Because healthy skin flora, you know, I. I do jujitsu and one of the things that. happens with jujitsu is you get a lot of. skin diseases. Like, you get Really? >> People get ringworm, staph infections. Well, you're getting scratched up a lot, you're rolling around on the the mats. and if the mats are dirty.

and if it's just there's exposure to it, you can have a problem. And then one of. the problems that people have is to. treat that, they use antibacterial skin. soap. So, what that does is it strips. the skin of all the healthy flora which. actually protects you. >> Yeah. The the counter to that, I always bring. this up, I have no affiliation with this. product, but it's an excellent product. It's called Defense Soap. Defense Soap is uh uh my friend Guy. Saco, he invented it. He's a wrestling. coach and his. it was a solution using healthy things.

like uh tea tree oil, eucalyptus in the. soap that kills the bad bacteria but. does nothing to the healthy flora. >> That's great. >> Yes. So, that's the only soap that I. use. >> Yeah. Um. uh chlorinated pool water does disturb. normal skin flora temporarily, but in. healthy people the microbiome usually. recovers within hours to a day or so. after swimming. So, that's a problem if. you swim every day then. >> Yeah. Chlorine is a broad disinfectant,

so it kills or suppresses both good and. bad bacteria on the skin surface. Yeah. Reducing overall microbial. uh diversity right after swimming. Experimental and field studies show that. even short exposure can cut measured. microbiome diversity markedly, often. cited around 30 to 40% with composition. shifting away from the usual dominant. groups right after a swim. How long disruption lasts after leaving. the pool, many of the resident species.

begin to recolonize from deeper skin. lever layers, uh hair follicles, and the environment. and community composition tends to drift. backward towards baseline over the next. 24 plus hours. With frequent repeated. swimming daily or high-volume training, the skin may be in a more chronically. perturbed state with less time for full. microbiome recovery in between. exposures. Um I know a lot of people have switched. their their pools over to salt water. pools for this very reason. I think.

there's a problem with salt water pools. in very high temperature areas, though, where it's not effective enough to stop. mold and all the the junk. Yeah. Do you want to see these products I. brought? >> love to see these products you brought. Here you go. These are for cleaning up your skin. >> what you just said. >> What's up, Jamie? A note on what you. just said, a salt water pool is still. technically. Oh, still a chlorine pool. It just makes. the chlorine on site instead of pouring.

it in. Oh. Yeah. Salt systems work pools. as ordinary salt, sodium chloride, dissolved in the water, usually around. 2,700 to 3,400 parts per million, which. is about 1/10 the salinity of the ocean. and close to body fluid levels. The. water passes through an electrically. charged salt cell which uses. electrolysis to convert some of that. salt into active chlorine. uh mainly hypochlorous. acid and sodium hypochlorite.

that sanitizes the pool. After chlorine. does its job, it ends up back as. chloride and the cycle repeats, so you. keep generating chlorine as long as the. system runs and there's enough salt. What's different from your standard. chlorine pool, you still have free. chlorine in the water at typical pool. levels, about 1 to 4 4 parts per. million. The difference is the source, salt generator versus liquid tablet. chlorine, not the sanitizer itself. Most. people find salt pools a bit gentler. The water feels softer and continuous.

low-level generation can mean fewer. chloramines, the less smell and irritation if the. system is sized and maintained. correctly. Interesting. Okay, so it's still. chlorine. So, it still probably disturbs. your microbiome, which sucks. This. episode is brought to you by Intuit. TurboTax. April 15th is coming fast. There's been so many tax law changes. this year, which means you're going to. need an expert who has your back. You're.

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Should be open. No, it's not. Sealed. tight. What do we got in here? A lot of stuff. >> [laughter]. >> So, in the movie, you'll see that I came. to the homes of the participants with a. big box, about this big. Mhm. So, this. is obviously a very small. >> [laughter]. >> part of that. Yep. This is just part of your kitchen. >> bags that are safe, oven, freezer, microwave. It's called Zip Top. Yeah, they're silicone. They're made of.

silicone. >> Okay. So, silicone's okay. Silicone. that's there is um food grade silicone. And that [clears throat] is um. Like, spatulas. Yeah. And they're and they're and food. grade silicone is free of thalates and. bisphenol, so Okay. >> You can use that. Oh, this is a lot. thicker. This is like. >> thicker, yeah. Yeah. And so, this is reusable? Is that the. idea? >> And you you just store your put your. food in the fridge in that instead of in. a So, you can buy these things. They're.

this company, Zip Top, is the they make. them specifically for that reason? Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah, there's one of. many companies that makes. >> [laughter]. >> So, this is essentially like a Ziploc. bag, but it's way thicker. >> Yeah. Kind of cool. And so, they make these. larger as well, so you can. >> Okay. There are a lot of good. alternatives for food storage. You know, glass, of course, is really good. Mhm. Um and ceramic So, it seems so much.

better, too, because it's not creating. as much plastic waste since it's. reusable. >> Right. >> Now, do you just run this through a. dishwasher? Now, what about dishwashing. solvents and detergents and stuff like. that? Oh. Uh yeah, >> problems. World's full [laughter] of. problems, Jamie. The pods are probably not great. Oh, right. Of course, right? Damn pods. Pods, tea bags, coffee pods, yeah. >> Remember when kids were eating Tide. Pods?

It's like. nature's trying to get rid of some of. the dummies. >> [laughter]. >> Um okay. So, this company. >> there's two of those in there. These are. just little examples, you know. >> this company a shout-out. It's called uh. Zip Top. And uh I guess they make them all sizes. This is like sandwich size. >> Yeah. >> This is I guess a snack size. And they make them larger, too. >> Yeah, and they seal well, you know. >> [cough]. >> Um that's another question that I had. about sous vide.

Um there's a lot of uh people that cook. their food in uh these sous vide. machines. >> It's very common. Yeah. I thought it was. kind of high, you know, kind of In restaurants and stuff? Well, I mean, I know there's consumer versions. of it that I know a lot of my friends. use it. Yeah, they they use it for wild. game in particular because you can slow. cook. >> Mhm. So, one of the things about wild. game, it has a very low fat content, and. a lot of people find that it.

uh it's more tender if you slowly cook. So, let's say if you like medium rare is. like what is medium rare? Like 135°, I think. So, you what you would do is. you would take this uh piece of meat and. you would seal it up in a vacuum sealed. container, and you dunk it in this sous. vide machine, and it keeps the water at. 135°. You can cook it for several hours. at 135°, and then you sear the outside. of it. >> Nice. Yeah. And so, a lot of people like.

that, and it's really good for breaking. down some of the harder stuff like you. know, the fascia and the gristle and. yeah. Mhm. And so, is that stuff leaking chemicals. into your food? It has to be, right? Why? Well, because it's in plastic. You're getting these vacuum sealed. plastic bags that the food goes in, and. you Have you seen how sous vide works? >> you put it in plastic? >> Yes. Have you seen how these sous vide. things work? >> bad. Then it sounds just as bad as. microwaving in plastic. Right. So, what.

you do with sous vide is you season the. food, and a lot of times uh you'll add. like olive oil and things like that to. the outside of it. >> make it out of silicone? I would imagine. you could, right? I don't know. Let's. find that out. Has anybody made uh. silicone-based. sous vided bags, and do these sous vide. bags leach chemicals? I just saw a. discussion on Reddit [laughter] about. this, but they didn't really have an. answer. Like they're asking if the. temperatures might not be high enough. I.

don't know. Yeah, [snorts] what are the temperatures. that. uh you need that start these chemicals. leaching into from the plastics into. your water? Because a lot of times they say don't. leave a a bottle of water in your car. >> That's right. Because your car can get. really hot. So, how hot hot is your car. get? It doesn't get that hot. It doesn't. get like cooking hot. So, it's like what. is. But if the sous vide bags don't have. plasticizers in them Like if they're.

made of silicone, you know, food-based. food What is it? Food grade silicone. >> Yeah, this is similar So, it says we use. vacuum sealed bags. We're really going. through them right now. Even on early. sous vide, I I tried silicone reusable, and I wasn't happy. I don't really. recall why. I think it was hard to get. stuff in without a mess. Okay, that. doesn't make any sense. Uh just deal with the mess. We made uh. switch to vacuum bags. I love it, but. oof, we use a lot of bags. Okay.

Put this into perplexity place. Um do. sous vide bags leach. endocrine-disrupting chemicals into your. food when you cook with them? Let's try that. It's like we're learning things. >> Yeah. Doesn't it have Does it have to be. vacuum sealed? Probably, right? Cuz you. don't want water leaking in there. Yeah, you don't want water leaking in. The one. I have a machine like and I use this. vacuum seal machine like so, if I get. wild game, and then I cut it up into. pieces, and then I I seal it in these. vacuum sealed bags to freeze it.

Um silicone-based sous vide bags are. generally considered safe for food use. and do not significantly leach. Significantly is a weird word. Leach. harmful chemicals under typical cooking. conditions. High-quality food grade. silicone is inert, BPA-free. >> Right. Um [snorts] this is silicone, though. Food grade silicone shows. minimal chemical migration such as si-. siloxanes. Uh especially compared to plastics can.

release microplastics like BPA. Um this is a silicone, though. Um. When you What is it What was the. question that you asked? How'd you. phrase it? >> [snorts]. >> Well, you were asking about the sous. vide. >> silicone-based sous vide bags. Just. let's not silicone-based. Just like. plastic sous vide bags. Well, you know they're going to leach. stuff. Let's find out. Regular plastic. sous vide bags. Let's see what it says.

>> [snorts]. >> Right. But I want to make sure that it's vacuum. sealed sous vide bags. >> It It's I'm It should know that we're. talking about sous vide bags here. Regular plastic bags can be reasonably I. don't like that word safe for sous vide. if you use the right kind, food grade, BPA and phthalate free, and rated for. hot food. But all plastics can leach. some chemicals, and the data specific to. sous vide is still limited. What regular bags are safe? Look for.

bags made with polyethylene and or. polypropylene that are labeled food. grade and microwave safe. Is there a. plastic that's microwave safe? Is that. real? Are these are con-. >> Yeah, these are considered safe with. food up to around 190 195°. Fahrenheit. Most brands zipper bags, Ziploc, Gla- Glad are polyethylene, BPA. and dioxin free, and are commonly used. for sous vide at typical temperatures. below 176°.

Uh purpose-made vacuum sealer or boil-in. sous vide pouches, that's what I use, are specifically certified as food grade. for cooking and are the safest plastic. option if you want disposable. So, it. seems like it's reasonably safe to do. that. Mhm. Review by Utah's Department. of Health no- no-. Excuse me, notes that there's a lack of. studies directly measuring chemical. leaching from sous vide bags, but. recommends using FDA-compliant, BPA and. phthalate free plastics, which are not. known for estrogenic estrogenic.

activity, and are considered safe for. food contact. Okay. Mhm. It says trout See what it says there? One trout study found detectable BPA in. fish cooked But the problem is food like. Here's the problem. Freshwater lakes. If you're catching a trout in a. freshwater lake, freshwater lakes have. horrible levels of these chemicals in. them, and most people do not recommend.

eating food from freshwater lakes, which. is so crazy. You think, "Oh, I'm going. to go catch a fish from a lake. This is. going to be really healthy. It's right. from nature." Uh-uh. Now, we've ruined. lakes. Yeah, what it Like what is the issue Put. this in. What is the issue with eating. fish from freshwater lakes in America? What are the health issues? >> yeah. Eating fish from freshwater lakes in.

America. We've looked this up before, and it's kind of stunning how much. chemicals you get from a single fish. that you would catch. So, if you catch a. trout from. you know, a regular lake. You go to a. lake, looks clean. I can see the bottom. Everything's fine. No, it's bad for you. In fact, I know a guy who is friends. with someone who does a lot of fishing. tournaments. So, he goes these fishing. tournaments, catches a lot of fish, he. eats a lot of fish, obviously. And he. got horribly, horribly sick because of.

heavy metal poisoning and. >> terrible? >> Crazy. You think you're eating fresh. fish that you've caught yourself. It's. got to be good, right? Yeah. >> Eating US freshwater fish can expose you. to chemical contaminants like mercury. and PFAS. Um and if eaten undercooked or. raw, parasites and some bacteria. Most. people can still eat freshwater fish. safely if they follow local advisories. and avoid high-risk groups, pregnant. people, young children, eating too much.

Main chemical risks, mercury um. methylmercury. Nearly all wild fish. contain some mercury, but levels in many. US freshwater fish can be high enough to. harm a fetus or a young child's. developing brain and nervous system if. eaten often. That's crazy. PFAS, forever. chemicals. Many US freshwater fish have. measurable PFAS, and in some studies. show widespread PFAS plus mercury in. fish tissue at levels that pose health. risk for frequent consumers. PFAS. exposure has been linked to changes in.

liver and kidney function, cholesterol, immune response, pregnancy. complications, and increased risk of. certain cancers. >> I don't know why they haven't mentioned. auto immune immune response Oh, they do. say immune. Immune response. Yes. >> Yeah, immune response. Yeah, this guy in. in Denmark studied [clears throat]. people on the Faroe Islands, which they. all eat fish. They catch them you know, the Faroe Islands. They catch them. there. And so [clears throat] he looked. at the levels of PFAS and then he looked.

at their. antibody response to vaccination. Oh. Down. And and so think of what that. means in you know, like it's time time. of COVID or whatever. I want to do an intervention where we. take kids [clears throat] who are. getting. PFAS free school uniforms. Remember I. told you PFAS was in school uniforms? And then when they come in at age six. for their first you know, grade they.

will have just had their booster. So. then we could get their blood and see if. the. booster you know, antibody levels were. lower in the kids that had the PFAS. uniforms versus the clean uniform. Booster for which vaccines? >> Um. mumps, pertussis, um the MM MMP I think. it's called. Okay. Yeah, yeah. And so. it's lower it's a lower response if your. body's been exposed to these chemicals. So you would imagine even if you're not.

like you just lower response period to. all immune function based on this. Right. Right. Yeah. >> What are these these things? Loofah. mitts. So you can use them to to scrub. this your sink and or your face. >> them in the shower. Yeah, or in the. shower. But you should [laughter] use. those for your food, too. >> the sponges that you most people use. have a lot of chemicals in them. Of. course. Makes sense. So these are. better. Yeah, they're plastic sponges. And you get them in hot water and you're. scrubbing things and some of the stuff. probably gets in your plates and your. food and your.

your cooking ware. >> All right, what else we got here? Beeswax. That's really nice stuff. What is this. stuff? It. Actually you can treat a that This is. some kind of paper that's been treated. with beeswax. So nothing dirty there. And take it out. You'll see how nice it. is. Okay. >> [clears throat]. >> I love this stuff. I have a lot of it. You can feel feel the wax. That's the.

wax. >> Wax for things and sandwiches. >> [laughter]. >> Okay, so you use that to wrap your your. food with. >> Yeah. And it seals on itself. And you just rinse it out afterwards. So you don't have to use Saran wrap and. you know, all these It does seal on. itself. It seems like it form fits. around things. >> You can put it on an egg or tomato or. anything you want. >> my friend Philip, I guarantee he eats a. lot of sushi. He runs a sushi place. And. if you ever go to a sushi place, all the. fish is wrapped in plastic. Yeah. They're always wrapped in plastic and.

then they cut it open and so it's. exposure to all this stuff. >> All right. You you should use this. stuff. Probably the same level of. sealing. as plastic does. >> more expensive though. Yeah. What's your health worth? Right. But. it's also reusable, which plastic isn't. >> Just just wash it. Yeah. That's the. thing. It's like it's probably. economical in the long run because. plastic wrap you don't reuse. And it gets all over the. the world and. >> [laughter]. >> Right, everywhere.

I'm sure you've seen the Pacific garbage. patch, which is crazy, right? Um these are bags and these bags are. called Wawi, w o w e. >> [laughter]. >> Right? And what is this? It's another. food storage, you know, choice option. Is it paper or no? No, it's um. cloth. >> Cloth. But clean cloth. Yeah. And so you. use this just. >> Like for bread, it's really good. Bread, cookies, you know, stuff like that.

Okay. >> Yeah, we use those here. And so. is this all all these different products. listed on your website so people can. They're listed on the Million Marker. There's a. can there card there to scan the. QR code and you can go to that. And um but it would be nice if it's like. a one So if you scan the QR code, is. there a one-stop shop like all people. listening to this right now, can we send. them to a website that can What what. website would that be? I don't I can't. remember. Look at the card.

This one? Tips for detox detox journey. So this is the QR. So if I scan this. right now, it'll tell take me there. Yeah. This is my phone. >> [laughter]. >> This world that we live in. we're not ready. >> [sighs]. >> Okay, it says. the the website is millionmarker.com. Chemical glossary.

So this is the chemical glossary that's. on this card, but it doesn't Not the. products, right? >> It doesn't say the products. It says partners. Is that. >> So there's products on that other. website I told you. on plasticforyourlife. unplasticforyourlife.com. So that's a place where people can go. and see these products here it is. >> so there's three steps. unplasticforyourlife.com, action hub. protect yourself. And then it can tell. you how to protect yourself against. various things in different rooms. I.

have it by rooms I think. >> What is this one, Jamie? This one says. This is the same website. I just already. went to the action hub. Oh, so when you. go to unplasticforyourlife.com, it takes you to OSP Society. Society Yeah, it redirects to this. website. Got it. And then you go to the. action hub, protect your family. And then are the products listed down. there? Okay, yeah, there it is. Okay, single Okay. Um non-plastic bags, non steel cookware.

Got it. Um replace the plastic cutting boards. with wood. So I think some people use titanium, which is fine, too, right? And then what. about that? What's about that? Um steel. single-use drinking water containers. Never use plastics to store your food. in. Never heat plastics. Holy. Save your skin by selecting personal. care products with natural ingredients. such in glass or tin packaging. Boy.

So disturbing. Washing your clothes. Yeah. >> [clears throat]. >> By the way, we didn't talk about smell. Smell? But everything that's fragranced. has phthalates. Of course. And you know, like you think you're doing good if you. hang. that little. pine tree in your car? Not good? Not. good. >> [laughter]. >> And and you plug in. things in the wall that supposed to. clean up your air and you know, refresh.

your air and so on, not good. There's. ones that are in cars now, like certain. cars. I think Mercedes has one where you. refill it and you can. it actually will spray air freshener. through the vents. Does Mercedes do that? I think it's [laughter] Mercedes, which. makes sense. You know, luxury. I want to. smell like lavender as I'm driving. >> [snorts]. >> Ah, look at me in my luxurious car. smelling lavender dying of chemical. exposure.

We asked women on the on this our you. know, our study. We said, um what do you. use? And then we said, was it. fragranced? Mm. And anything where they. said that was fragranced, their body. burden of phthalates was higher. Of. course. What about natural deodorants? I don't know. Yeah, because I use natural deodorant to. try to avoid a lot of that stuff. >> Mm. On the product for it on their website, it says it's a miscellaneous dangerous. good, I think. I don't know what that. is. What? It says miscellaneous.

dangerous goods. Maybe it's when they. ship it or something. Other dangerous. subs The interior of the vehicle can be. fragranced to suit It says it right. there. This is under Mercedes under their. smell. Aroma system Pacific mood. Ooh, I. want a Pacific mood. I'm living on the. coast. I'm fabulous. And it says. miscellaneous dangerous goods other. dangerous substances. That's crazy that. it's labeled that way. The interior of. the vehicle can be fragranced to suit.

your own individual preference with the. air balance package. Uh flacon Pacific mood lemon and orange. top notes accompanied by a blend of. spices. >> [snorts]. >> Ah. But meanwhile. it's probably not good for you. So what is in there? Their engineers. specifically Does it say what They're. also subject to rigorous testing, which. means each part comes fully certified. In the end, you can be sure that your. vehicle will perform up to its potential. mile after mile.

>> word meant. I don't know if you want to. try this. >> [laughter]. >> Can you say that word, doctor? I know. Gefahrgutkennzeichen. I'm guessing it means miscellaneous. dangerous goods, but But why I mean why. other dangerous They're calling it. dangerous? That sounds really crazy. >> Miscellaneous dangerous goods. It's like. hazard warnings. This is crazy. Like why But why would. they say that? >> And then you're spraying it and you're.

breathing it in. >> very well like one of those California. rules where they say like this building. has got dangerous chemicals that could. cause cancer in people and it like has. to be on everything. Oh, this is German. Yeah. But it's just weird that that's in. the actual stuff that you breathe in and. smell. You know, I've I've heard another thing. that's really bad for you is incense. Probably varies with the you know what's. in it. I don't I I wouldn't blanket all. incense. I don't I haven't studied that. >> Well, let's put that into perplexity.

>> [laughter]. >> What are the cuz I know candles are bad. for you. Scented candles in particular. >> Scented Yes. Yes, there's the aroma. again. So, you. >> Yeah. See, one of the things that phthalates do is. they cause something to hold scent. Mhm. Retain scent. So, they're put into. perfume and they're put into makeup and. they're put into you know the things you. put on your wall and and. So, you know, you you want something. that to smell for a long time, you're. going to use phthalates. It says burning. incense products smoke and chemicals.

that can irritate your lungs, worsen. asthma and allergies and with heavy. long-term use in poorly ventilated. spaces may increase risk for heart. disease and some cancers. You know, you think incense, you go over. someone's house, they do yoga, they eat. vegan, they burn incense, they must be. healthy. Right. Um long-term health risk. repeated long-term exposure daily for. years been associated in studies with. increased risk of bronchitis, reduced.

lung function in children and chronic. respiratory symptoms in workers heavily. exposed to temple incense. God, epidemiological studies mostly in Asian. populations with heavy daily use have. linked long-term incense exposure to. higher rates of cardiovascular problems, hypertension, coronary artery disease, stroke, chronic limb What's that word? Ischemia. Ischemia. What's that mean? Um. >> What does ischemia mean? That can't be good. Sounds terrible.

What is ischemia? What is ischemia? Huh. Uh lack of blood flow. to part of a body usually because of an. artery is narrowed or blocked. Severe or. prolonged, the affected tissue could be. damaged or die. Oh, great. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, wonderful. So, if you. you think about incense, you think like. healthy natural people. Oh, they burn.

incense. It sounds lovely. It sounds. like they're spiritual. Ah, [snorts] incense. I used to love. incense. I used to use it all the time. Thought it was cool. Made you like you know be more peaceful. Incense. Bad for you. Everything's bad for you. You know. what's bad for you? These straws if you trip with them. You. know, a lot of people have died. These. are metal straws. Really? >> They've died cuz they're on their phone. and they're not paying attention. They. stub their toe and fall and this thing. goes through their eyeball and they die.

Yeah. Okay. I won't recommend [laughter] that. But also, you could die just falling. I mean, if. you're falling and you're holding a. steel straw, throw it to the side. That's my advice. >> So, if you wanted. to do this little experiment of one that. we're talking about. >> Okay. and of one unless Jamie wants to. do it, too. Jamie's in. Look at him. He's down. >> [laughter]. >> Um then. Jenna or somebody on her team, if you. had her an hour Mhm. half an hour, I.

don't know how long it takes. Call you, said ask you, what did you use? What did. you use? What did you use for this this. this this this right? And then they'll. recommend. what to change. Right. I recently. underwent this plasma pheresis thing. Yeah. And that's supposed to remove a. lot of that stuff from your blood, correct? So, my. I'll tell you what, the next day. I was very tired that day, like. exhausted that day. But the next day. afterwards, I felt like lighter. I felt.

like whoa, this is crazy. Like I felt. like I had more energy. Like it was it. was like kind of late at night. I was. like I'm not tired at all. This is. weird. Like I felt different, you know? >> So, that would be great. Are you going. to do it again? Uh no, I just did it. I mean, I would do. it again, but I just did it a few I was. just wondering, you know, if you. measured chemicals in your urine before. you did that. >> have done that. >> after that. >> have any pee laying around from before. I don't like. >> [laughter].

>> But I could do it now and maybe I have. very low levels and we could attribute. it that to the because I. I haven't done the best job Well, I like. I said, I did get rid of my plastic. coffee machine at home. I did that about. three or four weeks ago. One of the. things this has done is it's made my. morning coffee. a lot harder to get. It's more of like a ritual now cuz I I. use a steel water boiler thing that.

heats it up to 200° and then I have a. steel French press and I grind the beans. in a steel thing. Right? And then I pour the beans in the. French press and it's takes 15 minutes. rather than 30 seconds. >> It tastes way better. Well, I'm a big coffee drinker. I love. coffee, but I like it black. Like I love. the flavor of coffee. >> I really do. Um and so, it just tastes. better. It tastes French press I think. is the best way to drink coffee anyway. And so, I kind of decided like why am I.

I'm avoiding all these microplastics. I. don't drink out of plastic or paper. cups. I do all these different things. Why am I still using a plastic coffee. machine? I look at that thing every. morning and I was like, yeah, but it's. going to give me coffee right now. So, I press the button to get my coffee. right now. Then I was like that's. stupid. So, now I just I only use. Cool. like this. Cool. Yeah. So, I'd be interested to see if maybe I. have low levels. because I certainly feel like my body. it felt refreshed. Like I had less.

inflammation. You know, but that's like a 2-hour. procedure. It's a pain in the butt. You. know, you got to sit there for 2 hours. You look like a psycho. You know, like. >> [laughter]. >> I should have taken a photo of what I. looked like while I was doing it cuz I. was laying there and I had like cords in. this arm and cords in that arm. So, I. had blood coming out of that arm and. going back out of that arm. It's really. kind of nutty. >> How expensive? I don't know. Oh. Yeah. I don't know. Um but I'm sure it's.

not cheap. >> Yeah. But the. the benefits of it in terms of like the. people that I know that have done it. said it's a game changer in terms of. your recovery, marked recovery levels, much better sleep. Like if you're. wearing an aura ring or a whoop strap or. something along those lines, you get. much better recovery. And I think that's probably the case. with me. I feel pretty good. I bought you a lot of stuff, you know? I. do a lot of things to maximize my. health. So, it's really kind of. difficult to know like what's doing.

what. I just know all in all. >> what we always say, you know, in my. field, you know, do one thing at a time. Right. [laughter] Of course. If you're. doing science. Yeah, I'm not I'm not. doing science. I'm doing chaos. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> Well, you're doing you know, your. experiment of one. So, yeah. >> But it works all of it together is. definitely working. My body's pretty. good. So, you know, you were mentioning. how. it's going to be very hard to get these. things regulated and I just wanted to. point out.

we probably talked about this last time, but you know. where do these. chemicals come from? These plasticizers. and. you probably know they're made from. fossil fuel byproducts. Yes? Yeah. So, the forces. against [clears throat]. >> [laughter]. >> eliminating them are are not only the. manufacturers of the plastic, but it's. also the fossil fuel industry. >> Right. So, that makes it extremely. difficult. Right. >> Yeah.

Yeah. And it's probably one of the. primary factors in why this isn't. discussed. because it would reduce fossil fuel. consumption. which would affect oil markets, which. would affect the economy. >> It's big. It's big. Yeah. But I mean, the rate at which plastic. production is increasing is astounding, you know. And. no no end in sight, you Well, I don't. think you're going to get the government. to act about this stuff. I think this. has to be done on an individual level.

where people are aware of it and take. steps to protect themselves and their. family from these issues. That's my. cynical view of how this is going to be. played out. And I'm. really hoping I know for a fact a lot of. people listened to our last conversation. and made some lifestyle changes. I'm. really hoping that now with this. follow-up visit. more and more people will be aware of. it. >> the movie. Yes. And watching the movie. And the movie's called What's it called. again? The.

plastic detox. >> The plastic detox. And where is this. movie available? On your in your house. Right. But is it available on Amazon, Netflix? It's Netflix. Okay. Watch on. Netflix is great. Yeah. There's so many. great documentaries on Netflix. The. hidden dangers of plastics in our homes. Six couples embark on a plastic detox. within their homes it changes their. families forever. The plastic detox. explains what microplastics and their. chemicals are doing to our health and. how we can take matters into our own. hands. From hormone disruption that's.

fueling a worldwide fertility crisis to. growing rates of cancer and early heart. attack and stroke, this powerful. documentary reveals the shocking science. behind plastics impact on human life. Do. you want to see a little trailer? >> Sure. Let's watch a little trailer. Put. your headphones on. Well, you already. know what what it says. I'll listen. [laughter]. a crap ton of chemicals. Even the. smallest levels of exposure can have. profound [music] effects. Fertility worldwide is going down.

and it is tightly linked to chemicals. that are commonly used in plastic. We have been trying to get pregnant for. over 10 years now. 22 months. Two and a. half years. Say [music] what you always. call yourself. Uh I say you know, Julie, I'm not a. human dildo. >> [laughter]. >> This is our stream of intervention where. we recruited six couples who have. unexplained infertility. And we look at measures of semen. quality. The cutoff for fertile is about.

40. You're technically subfertile. infertile. So, [music] that's kind of. scary, right? Yes. The question is if we lower people's. exposure to chemicals that are in. plastic, can we change their fertility? These chemicals not only affect your. fertility, they also have other health. consequences. These chemicals can. contribute to early heart attacks and. stroke, autism, as well as obesogens.

Learning more about plastics is opening. my eyes to how much bigger it is. Many people think the government takes. care of us, but very few chemicals are. actually banned from personal care. products, and [music] over 1,100 are. banned in the EU. To have a child, I believe it is a. fundamental human right. I think you'd. be the best mom ever, and I really want. to see that for you. Plastic doesn't have to come from a.

toxic petroleum-based material. [music]. We can learn to do it other ways. It can. change, and you can help with the. change. That's another good point that he just. said right there that plastic doesn't. have to come from petroleum-based. materials. And most people aren't aware. of that, but you can make plastic out of. plant compounds. >> Yes. Like, and it's biodegradable. Yes. Which is like they make a hemp plastic. >> Right. And. >> Potatoes. Yeah, potatoes. Yeah, and.

probably a bunch of other stuff, too, right? That you can make plastic out of. that doesn't have these effects. >> Right. It'd be really nice if we moved in that. direction, wouldn't it? >> Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. The. plant-based plastics have the cost of. raising the plants, of course. There's. that added cost, but. >> Right, but does that even compare to the. cost of pulling oil out of the ground. and refining it? >> Right. Then turning it into plastic. through some horrific process. that turns the rivers blue.

>> [laughter]. >> Or whatever it does. >> God knows what it does color it turns. us. Right. >> Just kidding. Um. is there um a list of garments that. people shouldn't wear? Are you aware of. that, the plastic leaching garments? Well, the only specific ones I know are. because people have told me about them, are the um sports uniforms, team. uniforms. Because they have a coating on. them to make Is it to make them more. durable, is that the idea? And and I. probably this book to Dye For will have.

more information. And. >> [clears throat]. >> I have it and I read I'm just so busy, you know, with this right now, and and. but I'm going to read it. And and then. um. >> [gasps and sighs]. >> sports uniforms, kids uniforms. air airline. personnel uniforms. I think uniforms, firefighters. Firefighters are big big. exposure to these chemicals, too. Right. >> Yeah. Cuz they wear those waterproof. Yeah. Yeah. Anything with it Yeah, that's right. Anything that's. waterproof, stainproof just like your.

Teflon pans, you know. >> Mhm. Barrier, yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, yeah. But I don't know any know any. particular brands. >> So, imagine like nylon tracksuits and. all those different things. That'd be. terrible for you. So, the worst offenders Customers could. look for when they buy these things, they could look for PFAS-free. Just like now people know to look for. BPA-free or you know. >> So, they could look at PFAS-free, then. they would be avoiding a lot of this.

So, go back to top, please. Says the. worst offenders are synthetic. plastic-heavy garments that are fuzzy. coated or very tight to the skin, especially polyester fleece, recycled. polyester fast fashion, and PFAS-coated. water stain repellent outerwear and. activewear. Polyester fleece jackets, blankets, loungewear, extremely high. microfiber shedding. One study found. that polyester fleece shedding orders of. magnitude more fibers per wash than. other knits, which estimates around. 110,000 fibers per garment per wash.

This is both bad for environmental. plastic pollution and for indoor dust. and air. Ooh, yeah. Recycled polyester fast fashion like. leggings, tees, dresses, and sportswear. new testing shows recycled polyester. garments shed far shed more and finer. microfibers than virgin polyester. Interesting. So, you'd think recycled. Oh, I'm recycling. I'm a good person. No. Uh you're killing yourself.

Increased particle numbers and potential. toxicity, these items are often cheaply. made, shed heavily in washing, and. frequently use intense dyes and. finishes. Hot pink. Tight synthetic sportswear and. underwear. Yikes. These are worn for. long periods directly against sweaty. skin and mucous membranes, increasing. opportunity for contact with. microplastics and additives like. antimony, phthalates, and PFAS finishes.

Cheap synthetic performance or. wrinkle-free fashion. Stain resistant, easy care, anti-odor, and heavy print. coating garments are more likely to use. chemical finishes that can off-gas or. leach on top of the base synthetic fiber. issues. Ooh, yeah. Lower concerned choices. Okay, not perfect, but generally less. problematic for leaching and. microplastic shedding. Undyed or lightly. dyed natural fibers like cotton, linen, wool, hemp, silk without.

stain resistant or wrinkle-free. finishes. Simple weaves, knits rather. than fluffy or brushed surfaces, which. shed less. PFAS-free rain gear and outdoor. clothing. Brands now often as What what. What rain gear is PFAS-free? That's interesting because I I've always. thought that like has to be coated. >> Ooh, lot of work lot of work, huh? Um. what has been the response to uh your.

first of all, you're releasing your. first book, and then coming on podcast. and talking about this thing. Um. has it been surprising to you? Like, what has it been like? Um. it has been kind of surprising how much. interest there is and how much um. you know, people are taking this up. And. what's great is there are a lot of. nonprofits that are in the space that. are getting out these messages. So, it's. not just me, you know, many many.

nonprofits. And um. and then there's the um. you know, there's the the plastics. treaty, which is a worldwide. It didn't. pass, but hopefully it'll come back and. maybe next time. And then there's the. the work that the EU is doing, which is. miles ahead of us. Um for example, um I. think I might have said this before, but. um just So, in Europe. you if you're going to put a new. chemical into commerce, you have to it.

has to pass certain tests to be safe. Right. Not here. Right. So, we're it's the testing is on you and. me and everyone listening. Um and. I mean, we haven't really raised our. hand and volunteer for that. Well, I mean, I don't want this to. happen, but I think maybe what has to. happen is these companies have to get in. trouble. You know. Well, some of them have, you know, there. are lawsuits, and and Are there lawsuits.

against like outerwear, clothing, like. yoga pants? Cuz yoga pants are a problem, right? Mhm? Yoga pants. Yeah, those tight nylon. things that a lot of the gals wear to. Yeah, I don't know where the lawsuits. are. Um I might at some point get involved in. that, but at this point I don't know, but I know there are lawsuits, and that. they can be effective way to push back. And by the way, you said we we wouldn't. get the a federal law, and I think. that's not for a long time, but states.

can do it. Mhm. >> California, for example, is doing lots. of good stuff on What are they doing. about it? I can't name you the the laws, but I know they're they're very active. Um they um. Bonta? Rob Bonta? He's a he's the. district attorney. attorney general of the state of. California. He's very active. And and. so, the states that have active, you. know, push back, able to get laws. passed, um that kind of sets. tone for.

you know, for for what's possible. But I. don't see us getting federal push back. very soon. No, it seems like industry. controls the federal government more. than the sell the health and safety. concerns of the people. Right. Which is. very disturbing, but not too surprising. when you consider a lot of the other. things that are allowed in this country. that aren't allowed in other countries. Like when you showed that list of the. chemicals that are illegal in the EU. that are illegal in America, that's. disturbing.

Like, we're supposed to be number one. We're number one. We're number one in. chemicals. >> [laughter]. >> Number one in chemicals. Probably. Probably. The response when. you were on this podcast was pretty. shocking for me. So many people reached. out to me. A lot of my friends that. watched the episode were like, I can't. believe this. Oh, I've no idea. It was 5. years ago, but quite a few of my friends. that, you know, don't reach out with. every episode, reached out and said, that is just nuts. Like, I can't believe.

this. And especially people with. children, and they're concerned about. the development of their children, or. people who are pregnant, who are. concerned with the intake of these. chemicals while they're pregnant, which. has a radical effect on the child's. development. Well, if your friends are listening now, I can. tell them that it hasn't. changed much. It hasn't improved much. And we have to do a lot more. Um. both personally and, you know, I I hate.

to say it, but I think, like I said, I. don't think the government's going to do. anything. Uh I think it's got to be up. to individuals to make choices. And I'm. really hoping your documentary has. another big impact. One of the beautiful. things about Netflix is that. it's. even though things get promoted on. Netflix, whenever anything so many. people have Netflix, so when everything. anything's good, a lot of people just. start sharing it and start talking about. it and posting about it on social media. And then next thing, the conversation.

starts happening and starts raising. awareness. And I really do hope you're. going to go on a bunch of other podcasts. as well and and talk about this. >> Thank you. And I And there are showings. in Netflix, you know, encourages that. And I'm going actually. all over the world talking at showings. Now, schedule is like crazy. Do you ever. think like how crazy it is that you're. this one person that's sounding the. alarm? Cuz you kind of are the most. public face of this problem. That is a little crazy to me, especially.

given where I've come from. But. >> you didn't exist? This is the the. question. >> Oh, there are many, many people pushing. back. Many, many people. >> I don't know if they're doing it as. publicly as you are. And certainly not I. mean, they haven't been on this podcast. >> Um I I. you know, I I feel lucky that I've had. this oppor- many like you're like. speaking to you and your followers and. and other podcasts. And And. um. And then having the opportunity to have. designed this intervention and have.

worked with Louie and others on the film. team to put this forward. It's a very. big thing. And you know, the film cost a. lot of money. And we had worldwide. support for putting this out. So, there's a lot of support behind the. pushback. And we just have to get. everybody on on board and just say, "No, I'm not going to use that stuff.". Yeah, that's that's really what has to. happen. It the conversation has to. increase. The volume has to increase. More people have to share it and talk. about it. And more people have to have.

you on. And you know, we just have to. sound the alarm. It's it's kind of crazy. that 5 years later nothing's changed. Because. like I said, it shook up a lot of people. that I'm friends with. But I didn't hear. it from any other places. Yeah. I mean, I I didn't see you on an Did you do any. other podcasts after you did mine? >> You know Huberman? Sure, very well. >> his then. He's great. >> Yeah, he's great. And um there are I. mean, I can't even I can't remember them. all, but yes, a lot of podcasts. But.

hopefully now more. Um I I do have more coming up. My. schedule is really kind of crazy. >> One of the things great is the. documentary is easily digestible. You. know, it's on Netflix. Everything's on. Netflix. You sit down. Okay, let's. watch. And then you go, "Oh my god." And. then there's all these, you know, places. to go at the end of it to to to learn. more if people people want to do that. I. would love to see it. viewed by. influencers, not in the typical, you. know, social media sense, but people.

like. religious leaders, you know, leaders who. could be won over. You know, if you have any ideas, you. know, but I I thought about having. you know, the Pope. I mean, >> [laughter]. >> this sounds really wild, but you know, a. lot of people get their informa- Where. do people get their information? They. from their religious leaders, from their. peers, from their doctors. By the way, none of this is taught in medical. school.

That's crazy. That's crazy right there. >> Well, neither's nutrition. Right. Yeah. So, you know, somebody's got to spend a lot of time. getting that curriculum changed, right? >> Mhm. Actually, you have to get the test. changed because the. teaching is to the test. So, if we could. get this stuff on the test, there would. be more doctors learning this. But they. don't get it. They don't get it. They. learn about lead, that's about all. Well, there's not a lot of incentive to. teach this stuff. That's part of the.

problem is that especially the. these petrochemical companies and the. the. you know, the. the use of these things is going to. affect so many different industries. Because if you cut that out and they No, I mean, how much of an impact is that. going to have on the economy if. everybody just stopped using all these. chemicals, all if all the, you know, Lululemon brands and I don't want to. single them out, but all these different. companies. If they all just went under. tomorrow, it it'd be a giant problem if.

everybody just stopped using these. things. Maybe for a little while, but then. they'd be healthier. >> [laughter]. >> Well, they'd be people the people would. be healthier, but the companies would go. under. >> will not be healthier, yeah. >> No, they would Unless they make the. switch. But what could they do to make. the switch? Like if you're a company. >> were saying like plant-based plastics. Mhm. I mean, that's. >> plant-based plastic clothing? Does. anybody do that? Like plant-based. plastic leggings? Let's find that out. Does anybody make plant-based plastic.

used in clothing? >> Yeah. What it What are What is the the. primary chemicals that come out? And is. it PFAS? What Yeah. PFAS-free. leggings. Cuz I would imagine especially. if you're. um not wearing underwear and you're. wearing those kind of yoga tights, that. would just get in there, right? Well, speaking of that, they're looking. for a They [clears throat] want them to. be squat-proof, in quotes. So, they're not see-through. Squat-proof? Yeah, if there's girls.

wearing leggings, you know, they're. going to be doing a lot of squats at the. gym probably or something like. >> Squat-proof? So, they don't want people. be watching them a lot, but there are. some. >> what that means. Watching them a lot? >> Dude, you know, up, dude. Oh, see-through. >> they're see-through. Something like But. that's a weird way to say squat. Squat-proof sounds to me like you can't. do squats in them. >> Also probably ripping, I would imagine, too. [laughter] I think it's just a bad. phrase. But it's just like when you do a. squat or downward-facing dog, the fabric. stretches out, you can see some undies. through the fabric. The same tested nine.

different kinds of them. So, there's a. few different brands. Man, this isn't. even really. Oh, the bioplastic. You Go back. There. Yeah, bioplastic. Three primary. categories of non-toxic workout clothes. All natural or almost all natural. For. example, 100% organic cotton or 90%. cotton, 10% spandex. Most semi-synthetic fabric, for. instance, Tencel fabric. Plant-based. plastic, which is plastic sourced from. something like castor bean oil instead. of fossil fuels. Hm. In general, I'm not.

a huge fan of plant-based bioplastics. They are advertised as plastic-free. alternatives, but they're still plastic. And some research shows that they're not. truly non-toxic. I know, it's. disappointing, it says. Uh here's the honest-to-god truth. When. it comes to performance, stretchiness, compression, durability, the plant-based. plastics do tend to perform the best. Huh. Followed by the semi-synthetics, followed by the all na- I think they. mean perform the best in terms Out of.

the three, I think, not. >> But in terms of stretchiness? Com- Oh, of the other three. Uh a lot of. product categories where non-toxic. options performs just as well as a. synthetic option like shampoo, to give. you one example. It's not really as. straightforward with leggings. The end. of the day, you're going to have to. decide for yourself what kind of. material you prefer. It will largely. depend on things like what type of. workouts you do, how you like your. leggings to feel, where you work out, and more.

Mhm. Okay. My reviews on these nine almost. plastic-free non-toxic leggings. All. right, let's get to it, it says. What. are the ones? So, Mate. It's a company. called Mate. Overall review, it said. they were the They're best middle-ground. leggings. They're super high They're not. super high performance. I don't know. what that means. But they're made from. healthier materials and are very. comfortable. They're great for lower. impact workouts, just for general. everyday wearing.

Squat test passed, but had to size up. >> [laughter]. >> So, let's find what the best one is. Do. they have the best one? >> I don't. >> So, Mate is one of them. What are the. other ones? Uh Pangaia. Uh overall review, uh find myself reaching for these. leggings more often than any of the. others when it comes to hardcore. workouts. Compressive nature of them. makes uh me feel very held in when I'm. jumping around. They have great stretch. Squat test passed. Material blend, 92%.

polyamide bio-based EVO, bio-based. content, 8% part bio-based Creora. elastane. 30% bio-based content makes them. different, closest to conventional. synthetics in terms of fit, feel, stretch, and compression. Okay. Well, so this website is thefittery.com. and {forward slash} plastic-free. non-toxic workout leggings. Go check it out for yourself. So,

there's some options that are out there. Hopefully we'll give those companies a. boost and more people will wear them. Anything else before we get going? Think we covered it all? I think so. >> we sounded the alarm. I think we. tried again, anyway. Yeah, we did. something. >> Yeah. I I Like I said, I think it's just. a it's a volume thing. More and more of. these conversations have to take place. so that. in, you know, the general zeitgeist, more people are aware of it. And it's.

just increased. awareness and just makes it where, you. know, more people are making better. choices. And your platform is so huge. that I'm really encouraged to have the. opportunity to. talk about this with you and happy to. come back. Well, I'd be happy to have. you back. I loved you the first time. You're great the second time as well. And uh for everybody. uh one more time, the plastic detox. That's the name of the documentary. It's. available right now on Netflix. Go check.

it out. and uh fix your life, kids. All right. Thank you. I really. appreciate it. It was really fun. Thank. you. >> Yeah. It was great. >> really so happy that you're out there. cuz like I said, if you weren't doing. this very important work, I wouldn't. know about it and I think a lot of other. people wouldn't either. So, thank you. So, pee in the cup. I will pee in the. cup. I promise you. >> [laughter]. >> I promise you I'll pee in the cup but. I'll send it. >> you want to do the next steps, let me. know. I will do the next steps as well. You want to So, so when you're ready to. have a another.

>> Talk in that microphone so people know. what you're saying. Yeah. So, when you're ready to have an another. test kit. or you can go to millionmarkering just. order one. >> Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it's 100 bucks. All right. We'll do it. >> But we'll send it for nothing if you. want. Just let me know. I'll give you. the 100 bucks. Don't worry. >> [laughter]. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate. it. All right. Bye, everybody. >> [music].