Joe Rogan Experience #2474 - Dave Smith

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> So [music] Dave, you were telling me. right before the show that you are now. retiring because you got an impromptu. phone call and bet hundreds of millions. of dollars on oil prices going down. Congratulations. >> It was uh it was a good bet. It just. wasn't timed right. I thought you got it.

in on time. I thought you got it in like. Yeah, I thought you got it in like five. minutes early. [laughter]. >> I did not. >> How is there not a massive investigation. into that right away? Didn't someone. make like $1.8 billion in like 5. minutes? >> Yeah, there's uh there's a lot of those. like trades like that that should be. investigated that kind of never are. >> Bro, how about what's his name? Lutnik. >> Yeah, how about that one? He's so he's. the tariffs one. >> working for the administration and also.

standing to gain huge if people can sue. over the the tariffs right. >> well explain the whole thing do you know. how to do [snorts] you know the actual. details of it. >> no I don't really. >> essentially he was telling everybody. that you know don't sweat it the tariffs. are golden we're getting them through. there's going to be no problems is that. what it was but meanwhile he was. shorting the tariffs yeah so he was. personally shorting Let's find out what. that actually is so we don't get sued. I. bet he's quite ligious gentleman. >> Yeah, he might be.

>> See if we can find it. >> I got some I don't know what that means. >> Like is it wild that people are on the. files visited the island and then they. still work. It was unbelievable. Like. some people had to resign from some. jobs. >> Well, especially just him because he so. ju the way there's something about a. really confident liar like where they. just cuz I mean that that interview clip. where he's like let me tell you. something. I met Jeffrey Ebste that one. time. He had a massage table. He said. they were sex massage tables. I went. right back to my wife and I said, "Honey, we are never hanging out with.

Jeffrey Epstein again." And that is. that, you know, is that really his. quote? >> Oh, dude. I mean, I've seen that. I. >> I don't know if it's verbatim, but that. is the exact spare. >> Probably pretty verbatim. Let's Let's. listen to it. >> Listen Listen to it. I'm very very close. to exactly what he said. >> Okay, let me get this one again. What. was this one? >> Lutnick Lutnik interview about Ebstein. [snorts] And he just sounds, I mean, so. like morally outraged about the idea. >> There's so many people that they exist. in that world where you just pretend. that you're a different person. You.

pretend you're one way. Yeah. You. pretend you think things differently. >> It's uh I've been up close with people. like that. I said that was my takeaway. from debating Chris Cuomo was like I. just could It's a weird thing to see. someone just lie like that. >> Here it is. Now, this is the one that. says he's the greatest black mailer. ever. Which quote am I trying to find? >> Yeah, try to explain it to him. >> It was uh let me see the key words that. would. >> downplay his relationship with him. That. that might be it.

>> There was something on the other thing, but I don't know what that. >> what does he do? >> He's um what's he's a commerce. secretary. >> Uh he was a he was always like a money. finance guy. He I think he used to work. for C uh CNBC if I'm correct. in this. administration. This like the wolves. have taken over the hen house. >> Yeah. Yeah, they sure have. [laughter]. This is this is what draining the swamp. looks like. >> Under fire for Epstein ties, commerce. secretary Howard Lutnik defends visiting. his private island.

>> Yeah, but this is this isn't the clip. The clip was from. >> Oh, at the top it says it says Lutnik. said in an interview last year he was. never in the room with Epstein other. than a 2005 visit to his apartment. Okay, so that's probably it. He said, you know, he met him once and like this. guy sucks. >> He specifically says that he met him. that he saw he had a m a massage table. in his living room and he goes, "Hey, Jeffrey, what do you you really like. massages?" And he claims that Jeffrey. went, "Yeah, and the right kind of.

massages.". >> And that's when he decided he would. never talk to him again. >> Nobody likes the right kind of massages. [laughter] Those are terrible. Imagine. if those were legal, just [snorts] hand. job massages. There'd be like no. relationships. [laughter]. How many people are in terrible. relationships just cuz they need sex? >> There's a lot of guys that be like, I'm. just going to hang out with the boys, just get jerked off once on Wednesday. and I'm good. >> Howard Lendy downplays relationship with.

Epste during Senate testimony. >> Testimony. I don't know. >> Uh, is this it? Now, this is from this. is from recently. This is from this. year. I did find an article that kind I. don't even know what this website is. though. I don't know if. >> this old firm did not in fact profit. from the Supreme Supreme Court tariff. ruling. >> It says that there was an article. claiming it and then that's why I was. trying to dig through this. >> Oh, we better edit that out then. >> I mean, it was reported though that they. did, but I don't know that what this. says. >> Um,

says firm is run by his two sons. Elder. Lutnik announced the sale of the stake. in the firm and other investors Supreme. Court on Friday invalidated many of. Trump's tariffs. The president said why. okay caster did not consider the product. which has existed for years was humming. trade on Wall Street's Trump first term. tariff push but decided against it after. weighing the political sensitivities. according to a senior banker familiar. with this matter. Caner spokesman said.

the salesman erroneously believed the. firm was likely to greenlight the. business. Okay, I'm missing this. I'm. I'm not exactly sure what they're saying. here. >> There's a. >> this is just the legality of tariffs are. discussing that. >> an email that said that they're. representing 10 million. That's right. I. was trying to figure out. >> tariff refund rights. >> accuracy of all this and whatnot. >> So what was the accusation? The. accusation was that he had shorted. tariffs while claiming that tariffs are. going to work. Yeah, the the accusation. was that he stood to make a lot of money. from tariffs being struck down.

>> Um. >> um why don't you put that into. perplexity, Jamie, and find out if. that's accurate and let it scour the. internet instead of us doing it. >> God, I love AI. >> Yeah, it is something. >> I can't wait until it takes over. government. >> It's going to be awesome. >> It's after a while you're like, I don't. know if it could be much worse than what. humans are doing with government. >> It's going to be better. It's not going. to be greedy. Well, as long as it. determines that human life is valuable, I feel like is really the uh. >> humans. So, [laughter] let's be honest. You know, some homeless guys taking a.

[ __ ] on your jaguar. Is that guy really. valuable? >> Yeah. But but to AI, we all might be. homeless guys taking. >> Did you see that? There was these San. Francisco tech guys and they got trapped. in their Whimo because a homeless guy. started attacking the Whimo and yelling. at them, "Why are you paying robots?". >> No. >> Yeah. Like you're a trader. You're. paying robots. You're paying the robots. The homeless guy was upset about this. >> The homeless guy was attacking the. Whimo. The tech guys were in the Whimo. We were terrified for our life. We. feared our safety because they're.

they're being attacked by a crazy person. who's saying you shouldn't be giving. money to robots. >> That's an uncomfortable position to be. in. >> I get all my information from the Tim. Dylan show, by [laughter] the way. But. they did. >> It's not it's not the worst source of. information. >> It's the best source. Him and that dude. What's his name? Uh James Lee. He's our. other number one source of information. Conspiracy theorist. There you go. >> But uh another one uh a Whimo, a gal got. in and there's a [ __ ] homeless guy in. the trunk. >> because apparently the last person when.

they left their Whimo, they opened the. trunk to get their luggage out and they. never closed it. So the homeless guy. hopped into their [ __ ] Whimo and. it was in the trunk. So she get she. orders a Whimo. She climbs in. There's a. homeless guy in the trunk and Whimo's. like, "That's unacceptable." Yeah. Oh, you think? [laughter] Oh, you think? Okay. The main claim is that Caner. Fitzgerald, Howard Lutnick's former. firm, now chaired by his son, stood to. profit by buying tariff refund rights.

that only became a became valuable if. Trump's tariffs were overturned, but the. firm insists it ultimately did not. execute those trades. what critics say. happened. Investigators and reporter. reporting notably by Wire described. Caner Fitzgerald exploring a business. where it would buy the rights to future. tariff refunds from importers for about. 20 to 30 cents on the dollar. Internal. materials cited in those reports. suggested Caner had capacity to trade. several hundred million of these refund. rights and had already facilitated at.

least one trade of around $10 million in. rights under the EPA tariffs. The idea. was that if courts later struck down the. tariffs, the government would have to. refund duties and Caner or its clients. would collect the full refund while the. original importers only kept a small. upfront payment. So why is it seen as a conflict? Is it. true? So it just say that they executed. on one, right? Didn't it say that? Scroll back up. >> That was based off that email article.

It says internal material cited in those. reports suggested Caner had capacity to. trade and had already facilitated at. least one trade of around $10 million in. rights. >> It's only 10 million. Let it go Dave. >> That is small potatoes for what we're. talking about. >> Yeah. For these kind of guys. >> Uh what Canour and Leticide say. Caner. Fitzgerald has publicly stated that. while some salespeople explored, I like. that in quotes, brokering tariff refund. rates in 2025, the firm never executed.

any transactions or taken any position. on tariff refund claims, calling. contrary reports false. Follow-up. recording has echoed that Caner. considered products tied to the Supreme. Court tariff ruling, but ultimately. backed off in part because of the. political optics. Duh. Yeah, [ __ ]. that's a big duh around Letic's. government job. Latest coverage is no. public evidence that Cantor actually. booked profits from this strategy,

though the investigations in Congress. are ongoing and focused on whether there. was any attempted or potential profiter. Are you more interested in the ethics. conflicts of interest or the nuts and. bolts of how the secondary tariff refund. market works financially? No. So, it. seems like we don't really have. evidence. >> Well, it'll be interesting. I mean, [clears throat] if uh which is probably. going to happen, um but the Democrats. take the House and the Senate in the. midterm elections this year. I mean, they're going to be in that'll just be. the next two years of politics will be.

investigations and. >> some Democrat lady just over to she just. took over the seat um in Trump's. neighborhood where Mara Lago is. So, Democrat lady just won. >> Yep. Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, look, they in his first term, they impeached. him twice for absolute [ __ ] So, they'll go after him for anything, but I. have a feeling now there's probably a. lot more for them to investigate and. work on stuff like this and the meme. coin stuff and, you know, whatever.

business deal. You know, I don't I I. don't have the details at the top of my. mind, but I do know that they said at. one point that Jared Kushner would not. be involved in this administration at. all because he does so much business. over there and it's just like so they. were like, "Oh, no, no, no, he won't.". But now he totally is. It's him and Whit. are like the lead. >> negotiators in this, too. So, >> there's a lot of meat on the bone for. Democrats to make big political theater. out of for the next two years. >> Is there anywhere that's not corrupt? I.

mean, when we look at the insider. trading in Congress, when you look at. all these slimy deals that get made with. NOS's, you look at every it's like. everything's dirty. There's not one part. of government. You're like, right there, they nailed it. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Well, that is true. >> Like maybe the post office. >> That's I mean, >> post office is pretty [ __ ] good, dude. >> Yeah. Compared to all the rest of it. Sure. >> You get a a letter moved across the. whole country for like what is it like. 30 cents? How much is a stamp these.

days? >> That's true. If I mean I don't know if. you include the cost on the back end. like the taxes that pay for the whole. thing. Maybe it's a little more. expensive but relatively speaking. Yeah. You can get you know something. >> Not a bad organization. In terms of. government organizations, you never hear. except going postal. That used to be a. thing. Remember those days? Yes, I did. >> There was a while like where so many. post officers went so crazy and started. shooting people that they started. calling it going postal but it never it. just went away. Yeah, young people, if.

you're listening to this and you don't. know what we're talking about, in our. day, we didn't have school shootings, okay? We had to do it the oldfashioned. way. You had to drive a postman crazy. until he went around shooting people. And it happened several times to the. point that that became a thing like. these crazy postal workers. >> There was a video game called Postal. >> where you run around shooting people. It. was in the I want to say the '9s. >> Yeah, that would be about the time. period. >> The first one came out 97. >> Yeah. Yeah. And it was like highly. criticized. They were like, weren't they. like cartoon looking characters? Can you.

see if you pull up a video of post? >> It was like they're like South Park. looking characters just blasted people. So, it felt like less if I remember. correctly. Or maybe that's the box. >> I never played it. >> Maybe I played it. I don't know. Oh, this is. >> this is going postal. No, >> pissing everywhere. >> This looks way better than 1990s. >> Oh, this was in the 90s for sure. >> Is this the new postal? >> Here's what it looked like. >> That might have been a newer version. right there. Oh Jesus. >> You just run around jacking people.

>> Yeah. >> So it was like the first Grand Theft. Auto really. >> kind of. I mean Grand Theft Auto came. out around then too actually. It didn't. look like this then though. >> But real weird though, right? That post. office workers were just killing a bunch. of people. That's what it looked like. Like that. Okay. This is This is what it. looked like. It didn't look like that other thing. It. was like uh it wasn't a first person. thing. It was like you're seeing it from. above and you're just running around. killing everybody. >> I played a postal though that was the.

first person like that. >> Maybe they had more versions of it. >> Also, I don't want to show because I. don't know what's going to be some bad. stuff on there. >> Yeah, probably. >> nudity or anything. >> Dude, video games really are like crack. >> I loved your you had a rant about that. years ago about how like the problem is. that they're so much fun and you're not. accomplishing anything. So, the last. video game I got into was uh UFC 3, and. I loved that game. I just loved it. And. then me, like I think it was I got. married, my wife got pregnant, and I was.

like, "All right, I got to get rid of. this. I just can't. I'm so I was at um. the the Dojo of Comedy. It was a club in. uh New Jersey." Great club. Um. >> they have a LA one, too. >> Oh, do they? Okay. >> Sam Tripley. >> Uh Oh, yeah. Shout out to Sam. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, so I was at the one in in. Jersey and they have in the green room. they have UFC 3 and I was like, "Oh, that's the game that I got really into.". So, I was there for a weekend and I mean. I just the whole time I was there just. in the green room playing this video. game and I was like it was like a. feeling almost like like a drug addict.

who's around their drug of choice where. I was like I need to be away from that. Like I will play this until I kill. myself. It's so much fun. >> It's a problem. Robbie Lawler fighting, you know, whoever and just. >> and they keep getting better. >> Yeah, I know. Well, I didn't I stopped. at that, so I never even like learned. how to play the new ones. But. >> what number UFC game are they at now? >> Five, I think. >> Five. >> The graphics keep getting better. The. movement keeps getting more natural. >> Yeah. >> And first person shooters, man. Oh my.

god. >> Who was so good now? >> Was it Joe Joe Lozison, I want to say? Was that was the guy 155 guy? Really. good grappler. Wasn't his thing? Like he. was obsessed with video games and then. he went, "I got to just do something. else instead of this." So he just did. jiu-jitsu and then just [laughter] got. like amazing at jiu-jitsu. I swear I. think that was his story. I could be. misremembering this, but I swear I heard. him talk about this in an interview once. and that they was just like, I just. played video games all day, all night. And then eventually I was like, I got to. do something productive with this. And. so he just started doing jiu-jitsu.

instead. >> I wonder what he's up to these days. He. was a fun guy. >> He was a fun fighter to watch. >> Fun fun dude like in person, too. him. and his brother used to beat the [ __ ]. out of each other on the yard, like in. the front yard. They would have like. full-on MMA fights, like full power. >> They just beat the piss out of each. other in the front yard. I was like, "Boys, >> save it." Like, "Save I whailing on each. other." It's crazy. >> That's a young man's game. >> They had like a bunch of guys hanging. around. It looked like it was a picnic. or something like that. They decided, "Let's spice this picnic up. You and me.

fight, motherfucker." And they would. fight like fight fight. But all across. this country, there are boys fighting in. their yard. And that was of the highest. level of yard fighting. I mean, that was. top 1%. >> Oh, that was two two like legit MMA. professionals. >> Yeah. Two legit MMA professionals are. mad at each other because they're in the. house with each other all the time. Shut. the [ __ ] You didn't [ __ ] do that. You [ __ ] You were supposed to put. that [ __ ] away. >> Yeah. Yeah. That was uh You ate my food.

>> Yeah. next. >> They both ended up being real fun. fighters to watch, though. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Joe was awesome. He was. a great fighter. >> Yeah, he had a lot of fights in the UFC, too. >> Yep. >> And I think it got to, you know, um, how many years was he in? I go, God, it's I want to say he was at least in. the UFC for like around a decade. >> He was Yeah, he had a pretty long. career. >> Yeah, >> because he was fighting I mean, he. fought. I don't know. I mean, he fought like the.

whole uh like I think when he started. was like BJ Penn era of lightweight and. then he fought into like Anthony Pettis. was the champion. [clears throat]. >> Pull up Lozison's Wikipedia, find out. when he retired. >> Oh, his first fight was September 23rd, 2006 and I think it's his last fight was. 2019. >> Wow, >> that's crazy. 2019. Some of these guys just don't they just. don't want to stop. It's just too fun. It's a very hard uh job to keep going.

for a while. >> Maybe the hardest. >> Yeah. >> You know, like on your body. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Other than football. There's a lot of. those guys in the NFL. They only last a. couple years. >> Yeah, for sure. This episode is brought. to you by Into It Turboax. April 15th is. coming fast. There's been so many tax. law changes this year, which means. you're going to need an expert who has. your back. You're in luck. Turboax now. has in-person locations nationwide. Walk. into their tech enabled stores and meet.

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hurt and get a bad injury, but the NFL. or the UFC, you kind of like, you know, every time you go into it, like there's. a very reasonable chance you're leaving. here on a stretcher to go to the. hospital. But particularly with MMA, it's the most unforgiving sport where. like you you're one mistake, one mistake. away from like, you know, like if LeBron. James misses a wide open layup, he runs. back on defense and tries to, you know, get a block or something on the next. play. But in MMA, you could be.

dominating, fighting a perfect fight, make one mistake, and it's like, okay, you're unconscious now. Maybe. perfect example. >> Yep. >> Camaro's way ahead in the fight. It's in. the fifth round. I think there's like 20. seconds to go or something crazy. And. Leon just plants one. A perfect head. kick. Yeah. And it was the per and John. Anick makes the perfect call, you know, like something had been said about him. maybe deciding, you know, to quit. And. then John Anick says, "But that is not.

the cloth from which he was cut.". >> Yeah. >> Boom. Headkick knockout. It's like, come. on, man. Is this real? >> One of the most amazing MMA championship. knockouts ever. >> Oh, ever. Ever. And then just his his. post-fight speech, look at me now. Look. at me now. [laughter]. >> And then comes back and wins the rubber. match. >> Yeah. >> Which was like it's an interesting. thing. Um how much you know like well. first off like getting knocked out cold. like that and you know better than me. but like that does a number to your body. like that's not you're not.

>> psychologically. >> Well psychologically and also I think. physically. Um, and then also just like. the confidence that that gave Leon. Edwards going into the next fight like. just changes everything now. >> Um, >> yeah, >> Camaro had to be very careful cuz he. knew at any I mean he dodged most of the. big ones until the big one landed. Yep. So in his head in that fight he had a. narrative and that narrative completely. changed with one headkick. So going into. the next fight the narrative is now if.

you [ __ ] up you will be unconscious. You. can't get knocked unconscious again. and. he fought much more cautiously. Yeah. In. the second fight, >> I remember seeing that with um I felt. like you could watch that when uh Dustin. Porier fought Conor McGregor the second. time like you know McGregor had knocked. him out years earlier. >> and you could kind of see you know like. you could see Dustin I'm not saying like. he was nervous or anything. He's like. one of the greatest fighters ever. But. you could kind of just see like he gets. in there and he starts and he takes a. couple shots from Connor and he's still. there, you know, and then he lands a.

couple shots and you could see like in. that first round like his confidence. growing. Like you almost got to get that. out of your head that it's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, that guy beat you there back. then, but you're a different guy now.". >> Well, with Connor, it's all about. weathering the initial storm. The. initial storm is crazy. He's so. explosive, so fast, so accurate. And. then another part about that second. fight was Dustin setting up those calf. kicks. >> specifically because both of those guys. fight southpaw. And when you both fight.

southpaw, if you're a southpaw like. Dustin, a lot of times the calf kick's. not really available. Like you have to. you have to throw it with a switch or it. doesn't have the same sort of potential. It's a slightly different potential when. you exchanging it in combinations. But. with Connor, it was wide open because. Connor has two things going on. one is. his southpaw. Also, he had just gotten. off the Floyd Mayweather fight. He's. very boxing heavy, not just, but a while. back, but he had really concentrated on. his striking with his hands. His his.

hands were elite. So, because of that, your stance is a little wider and you're. putting a little bit more weight on your. legs, >> you know, and he always had a wide. stance anyway. He had that karate. stance. The craziest thing about that is. the calf kick really didn't become a big. deal. >> even until Connor was a superstar. >> Like it was after that. >> That's how recent it is. >> Yeah. It's very strange that that was. almost like a thing that didn't get. figured out until so recently and then. just totally changed everything. Like at. this point you rare, not saying you.

never see it, but you pretty rarely see. guys kick guys in the thigh anymore. Well, no, but I mean like compared to. what it used to be, where it used to be. like that was that was what a leg kick. was for many years in MMA and now it's. I'd say like the majority of leg kicks. are are targeting the calf. Yeah. Like. you'll see almost like a thigh kick. almost just to switch it up a little. bit. >> This guy's got really good at taking. those. >> Yeah, he got really good at being. conditioned. And you know, we also saw a. few leg breaks, >> right? We saw the Anderson Silva one. We.

saw the Chris Weidman one. There's been. there's been a few leg breaks from guys. just full power leg kicking the the. thigh and then someone just lifts up. their knee a little bit and takes it on. the right where the shin bone meets the. kneecap is where they like to catch it. And boy, I've seen way too many of. those. I've seen a bunch in person, but. because of the internet, I've seen. dozens and dozens of small promotions. where a guy throws that kick wrong. really hard and the guy checks it and. his [ __ ] foot just wraps around the.

leg and you see it dangling there. You're like, "Oh no." You recognize the. thing like that injury is so. recognizable. Like I've seen it so many. times now. I see it. I just go, "Oh, it's going to wrap around the calf. >> It's going to flop. He's going to fall. down. >> I've seen it several times on internet. videos and in UFC fights. I've only once. seen a guy continue to talk [ __ ] about. the other guy after from the ground, which is the craziest [ __ ] ever, dude. Everyone else I've seen is like crying.

in pain. And Connor's talking about your. wife's whatever DMs. [laughter]. >> Jesus Christ. >> Yeah. He asked me to come and sit down. with him and do a podcast. >> He's an animal. >> I mean, the dude's one of a kind. He's. one of a kind. He apparently made a post. on his uh Instagram saying he's back. >> and uh if it's true that would be. awesome. The idea is his uh suspension. for whatever he took before is up. >> So [snorts].

>> I remember. >> yay. >> What was it? Something uh. >> was someone I think it was Douglas. Murray when he wrote that article about. me. He said. >> Mr. Confidence returns. to save fighting again. Call your. grandma. Nanny, we did it. [laughter]. Watch and pay me. [ __ ] you. Pay me, you. fat Irish prick. You don't have my. money. I put your brain to sleep. Who's. that? What's that about? Who's he. talking about? Uh C is in the casinos. after the Mac loves you is all. I got. love for you. It's an all. It's an.

honor. It's light work. It's easy for. life and eternity. It's McGregor. How. drunk was he when he wrote this? [laughter]. I do this fight game. Easy peasy. The. sound of my shots off the head go bing. in green dot laser form. Okay. Well, I really hope he is actually back. I hope it's true. It'd be fun to see him. back. >> It'd be a lot of fun.

>> Greatest personality the sports ever. known. That's right. There's no one even. close. >> I mean, he's the most dynamic. personality the sport's ever known. And. he was um for for a time there just such. an unbelievable fighter. I mean he was. like just it was incredible what he was. doing. >> Danny Alvarez fight. >> Oh yeah. I was there. I was there. Well, thanks to you. Uh with really good. really good seats. Thanks to you. Uh but. that was that was one of the best that. might be the best fight I've ever been. to live cuz that whole card was just. stacked and that as the main event was.

just unbelievable, >> bro. He was in the matrix. He was in the. matrix. He was just in the zone. You. know, Dana said it best. He's like, "That kid eats pressure." He goes, "He. eats it." Yeah. Like he thrives on. pressure. Pressure that makes other. people wilt, he like shines under that. pressure. and he had an amazing ability. even very early in his career which was. like kind of it it was really unique. like because even like on his first. fight ever if you watch his first fight. in the UFC um against uh like Brimage I. think the guy's name is.

>> and he was a relatively unknown at the. time but dude the place is going nut he. already had made so much kind of like. street cred for himself and then the. Irish thing like the Irish were really. really into it but he from the very. first fight he would always create these. moments where it's Like, dude, this is. going to be the biggest spectacle that. you, my opponent, has ever been in in. their career. Like, I'm going to get you. mad with [ __ ] talking. I'm going to get. the fans so excited. >> because he's completely comfortable. there. >> Like, I'm not sure if you're really.

comfortable here, but I'm And so, it. would and even with with Aldo, >> who had been the entire division. >> He would literally when they started the. division, they started him as champion. He didn't even win it. He came in. because they absolved the WC. So, he was. the entire featherweight division. had. just dominated everyone and he even. created such a moment that like like. Aldo was like uh. >> he was the boogeyman. >> Yeah, dude. He was incredible. So, still. he's one of the greatest featherweights. of all time. >> But he got him to the point where he was. like so furious that he was like I want.

to take this [ __ ] guy's head off and. then Connor's just like relaxed. He's. like like he he didn't care about any of. the [ __ ] talking. He was just like, "Yeah, we're having fun. >> Let's play.". >> He lost his composure. Yeah. And he he. looked he looked very overwhelmed by the. moment. And oh, and by the way, everyone from Ireland came to Vegas for. that fight. It was the nuttiest thing. I've ever seen in my [ __ ] life. The. entire Mandandalay Bay was overcome with. Irish people. I mean, overcome like you.

couldn't move. There was nothing but. Irish people everywhere. And they were. singing. They were all singing together. in the halls of this gigantic casino. packed bump like they're waiting in line. for something. And they were just there. partying for Connor. >> I remember I think it was when I want to. say it was when. >> Look at all these people. >> Yeah, it was nuts, dude. >> Bro, this is nuts, man. They're all. Irish people. Like, you got to realize. nobody had a following like him. >> Like, this is actually Irish people for.

the Floyd Mayweather fight. They were. still ride or die with him even for that. fight. >> I I think it was when he fought Dennis. Siver, I want to say. >> I think that was in Boston. >> So, I went to I went with uh Lewis J. Gomez, my good friend. hilarious. comedian. Um, and he, me and him went to. some Irish bar to watch, like we just. happened to be in Midtown Manhattan and. we were like, "Oh, the fights are coming. on." Oh, they're playing it at this bar. You know, it was just like an Irish pub. >> And dude, I mean, it wasn't even that. big of a bar. They must have I mean, it. was shouldertoshoulder.

Irish people losing their [ __ ] minds. Like it was the it was the most fun. environment to watch a fight in cuz. they're just I mean they're just like. but all that singing and chanting. It. seemed like everyone had an Irish flag. with them like. >> it was it was this in a in a little bar. It was this. >> that's nuts, man. Look at that. That's. Mandalay Bay. >> Wow. >> Look at this. >> Oh, that's MGM. >> Well, they were everywhere. They were. probably at every [ __ ] casino there. was. >> This is crazy.

imagine imagine if you you're from. Northern Ireland. [laughter]. >> and you like you still still remember. the troubles [laughter] and you make. your way to the hotel just came to Vegas. for a little gambling you don't follow. MMA you had no [ __ ] idea what's this. all about [laughter]. >> I have picked the wrong [ __ ] week for. me vacation.

[laughter]. >> oh by the way I was going to say that uh. Douglas Murray's big knock on me when he. wrote his op-ed in the New York Post was. he goes he goes you know Dave goes on. Joe Rogan and he talks about foreign. policy like he's an expert but I bet he. wouldn't go in there and talk MMA with. him because then Joe would recognize. he's not an expert and I was like. >> we do that all the time that every so. >> I was like almost every time we hang out. we end up talking MMA and like it. probably is fair that yeah there'll be. moments where you'll correct me if I get. something wrong. >> so what. >> but if I get it right you don't go.

you're not an expert dumb Imagine we. don't talk about MMA because you're not. an expert. That's so silly. >> Well, I watch a lot of it. I have some. thoughts. >> Why is he so silly? I love Douglas. I. really do. I've enjoyed talking to him. I think he's a brilliant man. But I was. very disappointed with uh You've never. been very disappointed with that that. sort of strategy that you shouldn't be. talking about these things that are. factual. But even more disappointed with. that notion, the notion that like you. would never talk about MMA with me. Like. you think we would I first first of all.

I don't think I argue about MMA with. anybody. I don't think anybody if. someone has a point about MMA I don't I. never argue. I might say you've. corrected me when I've gotten things. wrong. Yeah. Or I might say I dis like. somebody think some people think that c. a certain thing is going to happen and. I'm like oo I don't see that. I. disagree. That happens. >> Sure. But. >> well, also like it's the whatever point. you're making is either a good point or. it's not a good point if it's like an.

objective claim. You know what I mean? So like if I if I say like uh you know. when when Vulcganowski fought Lopez, his. jab was crucial. >> Okay, that's either correct or it's. incorrect. Like whether I'm an expert or. not, I'm not an expert on fighting. >> Gez, you could watch the fight and that. would be correct. >> Yes. Right. So it's I saw he hit a home. run. You're right. Yes, there [laughter]. you go. That's crazy. >> Well, I you know was a weird a weird. thing during that show was um because. it's a weird I don't know there's like. weird incentives in built into like all.

>> incentives. Incentives are the right. word because there's a lot of people. that are saying things and you go why. are you saying that? >> Yeah. Well, also from my perspective, I. was a little disappointed with it. because I kind of thought I was like, "Oh, this could be like a really cool. thing." And and it had been literally, which I don't think I'm saying anything. that is like betraying confidence here, but the only thing that was ever said to. me, I remember you called me and you. were like, "What do you think about. doing this?" And I think I said yes. before you could finish answering the. question. Yes, absolutely. Let's do. that. Um, and then you told me that he.

had said, "Hey, he really doesn't want. this to devolve into like a food fight. He wants to make this like a good faith. thing." And I was like, "Oh, >> awesome." And now I feel like he like. Trump Witoff negotiated me. Like he's. negot he was cuz then he came in and the. whole thing was about me. He didn't want. to talk about the issues at all. He just. want And so in a weird way I was like, "Well, this sucks cuz I thought we could. have had a really cool thing." But then. there was this other part of me that was. like I mean he's really just handing. this to me. You know what I mean? Like.

he kind of just like gave me the win in. in a thing that was a big show with a. like a you know a lot of people I knew. were going to watch it. I mean obviously. every time I do your show a lot of. people are going to watch it but that. was a particularly big one. >> Yeah. >> And so I was kind of almost like for the. first 45 minutes of it I was kind of. sitting there like oh I can't believe he. just he went this route. Well, if you. look at it objectively, there weren't a. lot of options, right? Yeah. It's very. difficult to argue the side that what.

they're do doing like we were talking. about Gaza in particular. >> Yeah. like like the arguing that that's. not horrific. and if you're a human being and you. recognize that there are human beings. that are subjected to that government. just like you're subjected to ICE you're. subjected to homeland security you're. subject you're subjected to the cops if. you're a civilian you have to listen to. these orders so if you're living in Gaza. and you're a child or you're a woman and.

you live you're not Hamas okay and the. idea that you're responsible for oto. October 7th. Even if you're one of the. people that cheered in the street, boy, don't you think you kind of have to. cheer in the street if everybody else is. cheering the street? If you're [ __ ]. in terror for your life and you have to. like keep your safety intact, like you. got to kind of go along with whatever. everybody else is doing. I'm not saying. it's that's good, but when you look at. how that place is leveled, I mean, the.

most recent videos that I've seen were. still like a few months old. So, I don't. know if it stopped. Did they stop. bombing? I don't know what's going on. >> No, they've slowed down a bit, but they. haven't stopped. >> Okay. It there was nothing left, man. And that represents people's homes. That. represents schools. That represents. hospitals. There's no way you can argue. that that's not horrific. Yeah. >> So, he was stuck. >> That's right. That's right. It's kind of. indefensible. And so, instead, you pivot. to arguing against this guy rather than. against the issue. Well, I think that um.

you know, it's in I can't remember if. this was in the letter to America or. this was in his declaration of war. against America, but Osama bin Laden. literally said that uh civilians are. fair targets because you guys have. elections and you vote for these. politicians and they're the ones who. conduct these wars that that slaughter. innocent Muslims. So like just saying. it's the logic of Osama bin Laden to say. that civilians are responsible for what.

and in Gaza like they don't even really. have a government. Hamas is not a. government. They don't have regular. elections. They had one election back in. ' 05 or ' 06 or whatever it was which. Hamas did not even win uh majorities of. They they won on pluralities. You know. what I mean? And so the idea that you're. holding these people responsible for. Hamas just doesn't make any sense. And. just on a very basic human level, you. just kind of go, and I'm not like an. egalitarian. I'm not saying all people. are equal or all cultures are equal or.

anything like that, but on a very basic. human level, like those are real people, too. And when a mother is like pulling. her six-year-old dead body out of the. rubble, that's the same exact experience. as if your wife was pulling your. six-year-old out of there. Like that. same thing is happening to her. And once. you even just admit that it does change. the calculation, it changes the. calculation to be like, okay, look, the. onus is on you to demonstrate that this. is absolutely necessary. Like there is.

no other option than to do it this way. And that makes defending most wars very. difficult. Not all of them, you know, but most wars are very difficult to. defend if you just run it through that. filter of like, is there any other. option other than this? Have you. exhausted everything else? And then of. course in the case with Israel and. Palestine, you go, "Oh, you never even. tried to just give them their. independence. You've never tried to just. let them out from this occupation and. see if maybe that will improve things.". And the answer is no.

>> Crazy that the world didn't at one point. in time stand up and say, "There's a. simple solution here. >> Like these people should have a state. Like why do you get to control them, but. they're not Israeli? like they're. they're a kind of a country. >> but not really cuz they're attached to. you. >> Yeah. It's people. >> Why don't you guys go buy another. country and give it to them and let them. have a country or. >> Yeah. >> They don't like being attached on the. same small patch of dirt to people that.

have a totally different ideology, I. guess. >> Well, that's right. And that look, I. mean, it's just. >> But we are. >> Yeah. >> We have Canadians right there. >> Yes. But Canadians, [laughter]. Canadians do get citizenship in their. own country. You know, >> they get citizenship here, too. Boy, that's the last thing I looking for is. [ __ ] Canadians. They're like, >> "Oh, yeah. Your visa's expired and don't. worry about it, buddy. Get on the. plane.". >> They'd probably have a much easier time. Like, Canadians will go, "All right, guess I got to go.". >> Well, yeah. Also, they can just ditch. the accent and pretend they're Americans.

and everybody will buy it if I don't say. about wrong. >> Yeah. >> You, you know, they could just say, "Aha, sorry. I don't have my license on. me.". >> Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Like, okay, buddy, where you from? I live in Iowa. Okay, sounds right. >> That does check out. >> Get out of here. [laughter]. >> All right. >> [ __ ] that does check out. >> You see the [ __ ] that's going on in the. airports? So, are they using. >> They're using ICE now at the airports. because first of all, how many ICE. agents are there? Aren't they busy? >> How do you have time to put them in all. the airports? How many [ __ ] airports? >> It's in the low tens of thousands. There's not that many of them,

>> right? So, like, how many airports are. there? There's a lot of airports. Okay. So, you're putting ice in the airports. Where are you getting all these ice. guys? Are you hiring new ice guys to. take the airport jobs? Like is this like. it takes seven weeks to train them? So, do they have like a surplus of like a. ice factory where they're turnurning. them out and putting them out there? >> I heard So, I didn't see any of them. I. flew out here the other day. Uh, and I. didn't see any of them, but then I did. see people saying that they were at the. the airport I flew out from later that. day. >> Up to 150. That's not a lot. Immigration.

and Customs Enforcement officers were. deployed at airports across the United. States on Monday. So I of course, you. know, you get on social media, somebody. sends you something and somebody sent me. something. I'm not sure if it was true, but it was like, look at the difference. between the lines at the airport before. ICE was there and after ICE was there. and tell me that only 10 million illegal. aliens got in. [laughter]. They're like, they're like, "What is the. real We were talking about this last.

night, like what's the real number? >> What is the real number of illegals in. the United States?". >> We don't know. >> You were saying something about Anne. Coulter. >> Yeah. Well, she had um and this was from. a while ago. So, this was well, she had. she had in her book, Adios America, she. had I believe it was from Bayer Sterns. I could be wrong. Double check now. It. was one one of the big finance companies. that they had put a thing where like. they put it between like 30 and 50. million um total in the country. >> Jeez. >> And 50 is wild.

>> Yeah. And this is before Joe Biden and. them now. I don't know. Maybe maybe they. got those numbers wrong. >> This is before So what year was this. book? >> Uh I want to say 2014 2015. >> Oh my god. That's 10 years ago. >> Yeah. Yeah. A lot of them a lot of them. have come in since then. >> Well, at least 10 million they believe. came in through the Biden. administration. So over four years. >> Well, I remember the numbers being like. during the Biden administration where. they'd be like it was something like. last month there were 700,000 border. apprehensions and you're like, well,

geez, then how many were just floating. and you'd see those big caravans coming. in and stuff. I mean, look, it's a huge. that that still is a a huge scandal. Um, and as much as I uh have really been. really criticizing Trump and the Trump. administration since last summer, um, you know, he he's done a good job in. securing the border. That is the one. thing that like you kind of got to give. him and he got that secured like right. away. But even. >> even if you think that it should be open.

and those people should be able to. travel freely, they should. There's no. one's illegal on stolen land, that kind. of [ __ ] Mhm. >> You know how much sex trafficking. happened during that time of children? You know how many children were. trafficked that way? You know how many. children were dragged across the border. and sold to psychopaths? >> Oh, yeah. Oh, it was horrible. I mean, I. saw um Oh, there's an with at least 15. >> at least 50 million illegals in the. country today. See my book Adios America. for the analysis from Pulitzer. Prizewinning reporters and numbers.

crunchers from Bear Sto. >> I was right. It was Bear Sto. >> This is 2022 this post. Wow. The book is. even older though. >> The book is like the book is from before. I I want to say 2015, but it's it's. around then. Is crazy. >> Uh that's crazy. >> Supposedly, this is the book that uh got. Donald Trump on the immigration issue. Uh at least I've heard I've heard Anne. Coulter say that before. Maybe that's. right. Maybe that's not right. But um. but yeah, I mean look, it's like it's.

also a particularly it's a it's a. profound. like act of of treachery for a. government to do that to its own country. >> like to to allow that and and really. facilitate that to happen against the. will of the domestic population. Like if. if you were to I I've tried to look this. up before. I was trying to figure this. out cuz I did a big immigration debate. last year um or maybe the year before. and I was trying you can't even get. numbers on what the polling on open. borders is cuz no one even asked the.

question in polling because it's like. they ask like do you think immigration. policy should be less restrictive or. more restrictive cuz cuz the number of. people who support open it's like maybe. 1% of the country supports that. It's as. unified an issue as anyone could have. that. No, you can't just have the border. wide open, right? And so to do that to. the American people against the like you. you drastically change the country in a. way that is not really it's not easy to. just undo. I mean as we've seen right.

Donald Trump backed off of mass. deportations almost immediately um. because big business doesn't want it and. then because look like the level of. violence that you'd need to just. physically deport 50 million people is. going to be something that the American. people just aren't going to put up with. I mean, you even see in in Minnesota and. and rightfully so. I completely. understand it that you see like, you. know, I saw one thing. I saw that Trump. had asked the ICE agents who were going. to the airports to not wear their masks. >> and I was like, is that even a that's.

even a an option? Why would they be. masked in the airport? >> Because they're ICE agents because they. get doxed. >> Well, that's their concern. And look, I. understand that. That's a real concern. >> I understand that concern organized, but. at the same time, you know, there is a. balancing act there. And you know, a lot. of people, like a lot of right-wingers, will say, "Hey, look, if you're, you. know, if you came here illegally, then. that's a crime. You're here illegally. That's the law." And hey, I get that. argument. But also, the supreme law of. the land is the Constitution of the. United States of America. And I've seen. a ton of videos where there were masked.

ICE agents, not even identifying. themselves, going up to people telling. them that you have to answer my. questions. You don't have an option to. walk away, which is like not true. That. was my take on it is that you can't. accept people that are masked, that. don't have any paperwork, that don't. have a warrant on the streets in. militarized situations because if. they're using it for this, which you. agree to, that opens up the door for. them to use it because you won't take. your vaccine or because you did this or.

did that or whatever the [ __ ] it is. If. a different person gets in power, maybe. they're going to use it for something. you don't support. It's just not. something you're supposed to accept. >> That's right. You don't want to hear. something that someone told me that is. uh this is a very credible source that I. can't reveal what the source is. >> but they told me that there are people. in this country and not just a few but. many many that are affiliated with. terrorist organizations. directly affiliated but they've applied.

for asylum and because they've applied. for asylum you can't deport them until. they go through the entire process. That. is wild. >> That is wild. So, there's people that. are known at least terrorist. sympathizers. They're in communic direct. communication with terror terrorist. networks. They've done things with. terrorist networks and they've applied. for asylum. So, you have to go through. this long ass process through the legal. system and it's up to a judge whether or.

not this person who may or may not be a. part of a [ __ ] sleeper cell gets to. stay in America. Yeah, >> suicidal empathy. That's what Gad Sad. calls it, you know, and I think he's. right. >> I think he's got a fair point there with. suicidal empathy in terms of the idea of. like that we that we cannot say on some. level that it's like no, look, we have a. desire to preserve our society and we we. want to do what's bad and we don't have. to out of some feeling of guilt turn our.

country into something worse than what. it otherwise would be. So, I think he's. got a point there. I think and look, I'm. not a big fan of Gad. He uh literally. just him and like Sam Harris and a few. others, they literally just trash me all. the time and refuse to engage on a. single thing I've said. So like it'll. just be doesn't engage with you. He. calls me Wikipedia Dave. >> on Twitter and it's a Well, look, I. >> I like the guy. >> Look, I have a different relationship. with him than you do. >> Well, that's true. And I'm a big critic. of Israel and he's a MSAD agent. So.

there is that. That is part of. >> You think he is? He's admitted that he. worked for Assad. >> in the past. >> Yes. Yeah. He's I guess he would say. he's not currently retired. Like I used. to. >> I used to work for Newport Crearyy. I. don't represent them anymore. >> I think it's a little bit different with. the MSAD thing. But I also think that. the the big component that I think all. of those guys are are missing is that we. also create more enemies with our. foreign policy. And that's that's not to. say that like, you know, they always.

kind of caricature my position on this. Like I'm not saying Islam is all. peaceful and there are no problems in. the Islamic world or anything like that. In fact, I don't think any religion has. truly always been peaceful. Um but you. know for guys like say like Sam Harris. um who these kind of like pretend. intellectuals who have spent he spent. his entire career talking about how. violent and irrational the Muslims are. and how you can't even draw a cartoon of.

Muhammad or Muslims will want to do. violent stuff and like hey fair enough. that's [ __ ] and we should all say. like if you want to be over here in the. west our values are free speech and you. cannot kill people for cartoons but And. like none of them ever also go, "Hey, you know, murdering an Ayatollah. might be dangerous during Ramadan.". >> Yeah. Like that is, you know, that is. not just a political figure to Shiite. Muslims. That is a So, at the same time,

it's like, okay, I'm fine with saying, okay, you don't want to have suicidal. empathy. Um my uh my my buddy Keith. Knight, who's brilliant, uh works over. at the Libertarian Institute, he had I. forget what he said, but he he said. something like, "Okay, I don't want to. have suicidal empathy. Let's also not. have homicidal empathy, you know, and so. like maybe it also is like as we were. tying into that whole conversation with. No, I'm okay. Thanks." Um, with the. whole thing about the the kids and women. in Gaza, it's like it's also the fact.

that if you just view slaughtering. Muslim children in the Middle East and. in Northern Africa as like just an. acceptable political price, you know, that's just collateral damage. And. unfortunately, that happens when we. pursue this policy. You're going to deal. with more and more of that. And the. combination of both, Joe, like the. combination of having open borders, having all these people get in and. continuing the war on terrorism and. slaughtering people in these numbers.

must be the most insane combination. ever. The idea that you'd be like, we're. going to uh, you know, we're going to. just make an entire generation of of. Muslims hate us because so many of them. have seen what we've done to their. countries. And also, we'll welcome all. of them in with no checks and we can't. get rid of them when they come here. Yeah, that is quite a combination. Yeah, it's it's all nuts. It's uh the Sam Harris thing. Um I. should clarify this because he's. apparently talked about me again. recently with on Bill Maher. We didn't.

not talk because it was his idea. It was. me. I He wanted to do a podcast with me. He wanted to do a co like a COVID, you. know, wrapup like to, you know, go over. everything that happened, all the. mistakes that were made and his. position, my position, cuz that's where. we kind of like separated. It was he was. very pro- vaccine. Um, I said I won't do that until you. talk to Brett Weinstein. >> That you need to talk to Brett. Like.

Brett, you you disparaged him publicly. I think you said things that weren't. correct. You called him a conspiracy. theorist and you said you wouldn't. platform him because it's dangerous. I. don't believe that's true. I I believe. the problem is that Sam was incorrect. about both the effectiveness and the. safety of the co vaccines. Brett was. correct. And the Brett didn't insult. Sam. Sam insulted Brett. I mean, Brett. said things about Sam since, but it was.

it was Sam. And I said, "Look, you got. to talk to him first. you can't just. talk to me, you know, especially because. he's an actual evolutionary biologist. Like he he understands these things. >> He knows what he's talking about. He's. had multiple conversations with high. level vaccinologists and all these. different people that worked on the MR M. RNA vaccines. Like he was correct. We. all know that now. We know that all the. things that he was talking about, whether it's masking doesn't work,

social distancing, the the lockown, lockown, all the above. All the above. He didn't want to talk to Brett. And I. said, "That doesn't make sense to me.". Like, you talk to everybody. You have. debates with Muslims on stage. That. doesn't make any sense. Like, why. wouldn't you talk to Brett? I don't. think he wanted to talk to Brett. >> because I don't I think he didn't want. to talk to Brett because Brett's right. >> Yeah. >> I think it's And I I think it's. indefensible. No, I completely agree. I. I mean, you know, I had a. >> By the way, I don't hate Sam. You know,

he could say all the crazy [ __ ] he. wants. He also said like, "I don't think. you should interview Gaddafi." Guess. what? I would if Gaddafi was alive. 100%. I would interview Gaddafi. Gaddafi. Do. you ever hear Russell Crowe talk about. Gaddafi? >> I don't think so. >> He did a clip that went viral that was. on this show where he talked about why. they wanted to get rid of Gaddafi, >> right? And like while they talk talked. about how evil Gaddafi was and how he. subjugated his people, you can't see if. you could find that Russell Crow on. Gaddafi. Um he wanted to create a United States.

of Africa. >> Yeah. >> He wanted to get him on the gold. standard. He wanted to get him off the. US dollar. He like he had some very. dangerous ideas. >> Now he also supported Palestinian. resistance. >> Yeah, that was it. There's no sound thing in there. Oh, there it is. Here it is. >> We are taught, for example, to regard. Gaddafi in a certain way. >> Okay. But if you look into what happened.

in his country while he was the leader, you look into the fact that every person. is given a house at a certain age. You look at the fact that everybody's. education and health care is free. You. look at if somebody showed a particular. talent for something that required. further education overseas, all of the. costs that were paid for by the. government. Now, these are all things. put in place by the same country's.

leader that we're told is evil and. corrupt. >> Yeah. >> So, it doesn't quite balance. >> Well, there's also US government. interference. That's a that's a That is. one that we definitely monkeyed with. I. mean, he ran a foul of the United States. government. We are taught, for examp,

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Obama wrote in his book that he was 5050. and that Hillary pushed him to that. He. said his big regret was that he didn't. think about what came next after Gaddafi. because somehow we haven't learned that. lesson yet. Like after Iraq, you'd never. thought of that. Um, >> listen. But, thank God Trump's figured. it out. >> Oh, yeah. That's the Yeah, Trump's. [laughter] Trump's figured it out. We'll. go in this drastic new direction of. getting the seventh war that they want. >> Don't be a [ __ ] Dave. Jesus Christ. Did you see that one I don't know what. military expert was on television who.

said something about we need to I'm a. fan of boots on the ground like Rome. Like, hey [ __ ] Rome didn't have. nuclear weapons and drones. >> Rome didn't have drones that hunt you. Yeah. >> Like, what we talking about? Boots on. the ground. Should we fight with swords? Should we get everybody to fight with. swords? Is that what you're saying? >> The [ __ ] are you saying? >> Well, also like what. what even is the plan with boots on the. ground? Like what are you talking about. here? You're going to you're going to. take an island. It goes, okay, well then. you're going to be a target. You're.

going to be target practice as long as. the Iranian regime is still standing. And if you're talking about militarily. occupying the country like we did with. Iraq or Afghanistan or something like. that, this is a huge country with 92. million people. How many how many. soldiers you think you need to occupy. that country? At least at least half a. million. And probably you can't do it. with that. So what are you talking about. here? And so you're saying what are we. going to start a draft for the least. popular war going in in American. history? Cuz I [clears throat] don't. think that's happening. >> Yeah, this is maybe.

slightly more popular than Vietnam. >> Uh going in it's less. I'm sure Vietnam. by the end was very very unpopular. Well, Viet Vietnam going in didn't make. any sense, did it? There was, I guess, the Gulf of Tonkan incident. >> Most people in America were like, "Why. are we doing this? What's going on? You're drafting people to go to Vietnam. We're fighting communism in Vietnam.". >> Yeah. >> What? >> Well, they called uh what they called it. Vietnam syndrome that the American. people had, which is that we didn't want.

to fight a war again after that. Was. that that's from their perspective, that's a syndrome. Um and uh this is. it's really something. They think they. think by the way Ben Shapiro used this. same uh line called he said Trump. finally broke Iraq war syndrome because. they think see from Ben Shapiro's. perspective the illness is after you lie. the American people into a war and. slaughter a million people. The illness. isn't that that you might look at that. as the bad part, but the bad part is.

that these these annoying Americans have. this tendency to not want to do that. again after that. Um, but he claims. Trump has broken Iraq war syndrome. Of. course, there's really no evidence with. support of the American people that that. has changed at all. And you know the. George HW Bush uh was said to have. defeated Vietnam war syndrome uh in. Panama and in Iraq because they were. relatively easy, you know, bloodless on.

the American side or or very very. limited uh you know injuries and deaths. Um and and they you know they weren't. like quagmires that went on forever or. whatever. But of course after the. Persian Gulf War in in '92, we went on. to be bombing Iraq for. ever since essentially, you know, I. mean, for 30 straight years after that, we were still at war with that country. >> You think for a million people being. dead. >> Um, what is public support? Let's put.

that into our sponsor perplexity. What. is current public support for the Iran. war in America? And first of all, how. will they know? No one's asked me. >> You know what I'm saying? That's a fair. question. Like that's what I would say. about about uh polls. When was the last. time you answered a poll? When was the. last time anybody called you up and. said, "Dave Matt, first of all, when was. the last time you ever picked up the. phone if you didn't know who was. calling?" And then when you do answer, when was the last time you said yes to a. poll? >> I don't I don't even remember ever. getting calls. >> It has to be the dumbest of dumb people.

that answer those polls. So then you got. to realize out of those stupid [ __ ]. idiots, even how many of them think the war is a. good idea? [laughter]. It's even unpopular amongst them. >> I mean, what does it say here? Most. recent national polls show Americans. overall oppose the current war with Iran. and think US military action has gone. too far. Um, a Quinnipac poll finds 54%. What is Quinnipac? Quinnipak poll finds. 54% of US voters uh oppose US military.

action against Iran and 39% support it. I wonder how many of those 39% or. [laughter]. >> and. >> well not too much. We don't have the. numbers. >> A poll reports about six and right. What. is the number of Jewish people in. America? 2% something like that. >> Uh six and 10 adults say US military. action against Iran has gone too far. Only about a quarter say it's been about. right. 25% poof. First of all, you know, whenever you're talking about these kind.

of things, it's like who again, who who. are we talking about? Who who was asked. finds Republicans largely support the. military action around 86% support. Whoa. Yeah. There's. >> really cuz I talked to a lot of. Republicans who think it's a terrible. idea. While large majorities of. Democrats around 92% and independents. about 64% oppose it. 92%. Who are the. eight% of Democrats that are like, "Let's [ __ ] go." You think maybe.

they're Jew? >> They work for CNN. They, you know, whatever. >> CNN thinks it's a good idea. No, >> dude. CNN is running cover for Donald. Trump during this time. >> For real? >> Oh, yeah. >> No way. >> Yeah. They put up a poll the other day. They had a graphic that said 100% of. MAGA supports the war in uh in Iran. There's It's like after all these years. >> say he liked it or something like that. Oh, but hold on a second. >> Is that running cover or is that making.

them look bad? Because most Americans. don't support the war and most. Democrats, 92% don't support the war. So, if that's the case, wouldn't that. just make it look like these MAGA people. are a [ __ ] problem? >> I I I guess. >> Oh my god. MAGA GOP view of Trump. Can I. hear how he says it or would it be a. problem? >> Among him talking, it's someone else. talking. >> Okay, that seems bonkers. That seems. bonker. Approve 100%. How many people. did you ask? Two. >> Two guys with MAGA hats on.

>> If you notice the way they say this, right? So they don't just say GOP. voters. They say MAGA GOP voters. And so. what they're doing here is that they're. filtering who they consider to be MAGA. And who they consider consider to be. MAGA are the people who still say they. support Donald Trump. But like 100% of. the people who don't support this war. stop supporting Donald Trump over it. >> Right. But look at this little thing on. the bottom that they they don't show. you. 66% 31% split amongst non-MAGA, >> right? And.

>> but is that non-MAGA Republicans? Is. that what you're saying? >> No, I think that's non-MAGA Americans, I. believe. Um, >> how like the the whole MAGA thing, it's. like how did we're so fractioned as it. is? Yeah. >> Like this whole idea of uh right versus. left as it is and now you've got a MAGA. section of the right. >> It's all just ridiculous, dude. But it's. a way to describe it as anything other. than what it is, which is the most. unpopular war in American history going. into it. And for good reason. Look, dude, he didn't even bother to like sell. us on a propaganda campaign about it. He. It was like the laziest like just lie.

just lie us into it. Put on a [ __ ]. firm tinfoil hat right now. Let's Let's. get a double layer Reynolds wrap. [ __ ] crease the edges, fold it down. Why would he want to do this? Why would. he want to? Look, I am not denying that. the regime of Iran is a giant problem. I. am certainly not denying that if I was. Israel, I would not want them there.

They hate you. They're trying to get a. nuclear weapon. They're right there. You're I get the Israel position. I. totally understand how they're so. just vehemently in defense of their. homeland. Like, they're surrounded by. people that hate them. They're the one. Jewish country. Everyone else is is a. Muslim. They all want a caliphate. They. all want to kill him. It's been going on. forever. They think it's in God's word. that they have it. It's all a lot of. craziness. I get it. Why.

now? Like why now? Like what does that. make any sense? Well, um, Trump himself. has said, which literally this would be. like considered an anti-Semitic. conspiracy theory if anyone else had. said it, but Donald Trump has openly. talked about many times, how the Adles. give him all this money and they come by. every day and all they have is another. demand on behalf of Israel. Um, Donald. Trump also very early in his political. career uh got in trouble with the Israel.

lobby and then immediately pivoted to uh. blaming the to winning their favor back. over by saying he would tear up the. JCPOA, the Iran deal that Obama got us. into. And it looks to me, you know, other speculation aside, who. knows exactly what control they have. over the guy, but it looks to me that. after Venezuela. and when there were these big uh street. protests and riots against the regime. and Iran there, that they convinced.

Trump, and this is what Joe Kent, his. director of of uh counterterrorism, has. said too, that they essentially. convinced him that this would be the. time you could do it swiftly, surgically. remove the regime and the people would. rise up uh and and overthrow it. And. that this is what Donald Trump said when. he launched this war. He said, "This is. a regime change and I'm calling on the. great people of Iran to rise up." And. they did. They rose up uh by at least. the hundreds of thousands, they were out. in in Tyrron in defense of the regime.

chanting Death to America. Because it. turns out when you kill 165 little. girls, that doesn't make a country go, "We love you. Thank you for that. >> Right. But before the bombing, there. were people in the streets that were. protesting and people were killed. because of that. A lot. That's the other. thing is that that regime is like they. they clamp down and they do it with. public figures. They killed a very. prominent wrestler from Iran is really. two of them. They killed one a few years.

back. The UFC tried to step in and. somehow another stop it, but he was also. one that was accused of protesting. against the government. >> Listen, I don't know this most recent. one. And I'm not saying this is true at. all. I don't trust any governments. But. he was they claimed he killed a few. cops. That's what the the Iranian regime. said he was being hung for. Now I don't. Yeah, the wrestler. He was he was. convicted of that, whatever that means. in a in a mull run court, you know. So. I'm not saying that's right at all. But.

>> I will say this, right? >> The Donald Trump when he when he. launched this war, and there's been a. whole lot of just false claims that have. been made. Um but he said specifically. that they killed 32,000 protesters. Um I. there has not been a shred of evidence. presented to back up this claim. Now I'm. not saying it's not true. I I'm not. putting it past this government that. they would do that. And they've. acknowledged that a lot of people have. died. I think they I think the last I. had seen was that I know they were.

saying the the government of Iran is. before the Ayatollah was killed. They. were saying it was something like 3,000. uh people had died and then the CIA. >> But when you say died, does it mean they. killed the person? >> That's unclear. That's that's not what. they're claiming. But then the CIA at. least there was a piece in the. Washington, excuse me, in the Wall. Street Journal where they had said and. this was like a week and a half into it. that they estimated like six and a half. thousand or something like that. But. this is a huge question, right? And and. it's not clear at all like were they.

lining people up and just executing them. for the crime of protesting? They hung. the wrestler. But I'm saying the the. people who are have been killed here. Um. >> Iran protest death toll could top 30,000. according to local local health. officials. And this is from Time. magazine. Uh as many as 30,000 people. could have been killed in the streets of. Iran on January 8th and 9th alone. Two. senior officials of the country's. Ministry of Health told Time indicating. a dramatic surge in the death toll. So. many people were slaughtered by Iranian.

security services that Thursday and. Friday it overwhelmed the state's. capacity to dispose of the dead. Stocks. of body bags were exhausted, the. official said in an 18wheel. semi-trailers replaced ambulances. Now. listen, all I'm saying here, man, is. that you got to be re I just seen this. movie play out a lot of times. You got. to be really careful about these. accusations that are made in the run-up. to a war. They're basically saying we. have a source who told us this. >> What year was this? I mean, excuse me, what date was this? >> January 25th.

>> January 25th. >> So, the protest started in late December. [snorts] and then in in January. This is. >> Time was unable to independently verify. these figures. >> That's right. Listen, the the claim. being made here, right, is that it look. in this they said in two days in two. days 30,000 people were were killed. If. that is true, that is up there with one. of the biggest massacres in human. history. The biggest massacres during. World War II were like around that the. number. >> it says as of Saturday US-based human. rights activist news agency had.

confirmed 5,459 deaths and is. investigating 17,000 more. >> Yes. >> Um so that's at least close. So we're in. the neighborhood we're in the 20s just. if what they're investigating turns out. to be accurate if that's if that's the. case. But we're talking also here, Joe, about like NE funded US-based NOS who. are really Iran hawks, you know, and so. and I'm just saying like look, the the. claim the claim here is that Iran, you. know, I I saw a bunch of the uh the.

Zionists online when this was first. coming out back in January, they were. like, "Oh my god, they've already killed. half as many people as died in Gaza in. just a couple days." And you're like, "Right, that's a pretty that's a hell of. a claim, right?" I mean like if you just. from following wars all these years if. you started carpet bombing Tyrron. >> Vietnam style carpet bombing Tyrron. after two days that's the type of death. toll you'd be looking at. >> The thing is we don't they don't have. internet access to. >> well they shut down the internet during.

that period. So but there were pictures. that came out. All I'm saying is that if. you had numbers like that you would. expect there to be some evidence that. you could point to. And there's like one. picture where they've pointed to like a. couple dozen body bags and been like, "See, look at this." But look, I'm not. maybe it's true, maybe it's not. I'm. very skeptical of these claims when. they're made right before we launch a. war. But I think the the other point is. that the at least according there has. been some evidence of this, right? There. were police stations that were burned. There were mosques that were were.

attacked. These were not uh just. peaceful protests. I'm not saying they. don't have a right to violently rise up. and overthrow their government, whatever. But all the the hawks in the. west were saying these people are trying. to overthrow their government. >> Not only that, in the past our agencies, our intelligence agencies have engaged. in nefarious practices where we have. conscripted certain people to go and. light things on fire and blow things up. and create these events to accelerate.

>> front page of the Jerusalem Post. They. were bragging that there was MSAD within. the protests. Um, so now look, I don't. know, but also the thing is this, right? If you are trying to overthrow a. government, >> a government will kill you for doing. that. And that's true about every. government, including our own. Including. our own. If if armed uh protesters went. to try to overthrow Barack Obama's. government, he would kill those people. if they were actually a threat to do. that. >> Ashley Babbot was murdered not January.

6th. >> And every single left-winger in the. country went, "Well, that's okay. It was. an insurrection." And by the way, every. single right-winger in this country when. this prey guy got killed were like, "Well, he was interfering." Oh, I I saw. it. But by the way, the prey thing was. the most textbook example of a bad. shooting. There's just no defending it. They had disarmed the guy. He's down. There's six of them. They panic. They. put six bullets in a. >> Do you know what happened though? Do you. know Do you know the whole story of the. gun? >> Uh the gun being removed? >> Yeah. Do you know the whole story about. the gun? >> No.

>> Okay. The gun is a Sig P320. A Sig P320. is notorious for accidental discharges, right? >> There is a video of the cop removing the. gun, walking off. >> Yes, I saw that. >> And the gun goes off. >> Is that And that is that his gun for. sure? Cuz I thought that hadn't been. determined whether or not. I heard. people speculating about that. >> I've watched the video multiple times. and I've watched other people's analysis. of it. Obviously, I'm no expert, but I. do know something about guns and that. gun in particular, it's been. demonstrated online that it will go off.

There's a cop inside of a precinct. He. bends over not touching his gun. Gun in. the holster and it goes off. >> There's a guy there's a video of a guy. on a range and an a gun just goes off. and he goes, "Whose [ __ ] gun was. that?" And the range master goes, "Is. that a Sig?" And he goes, "Yeah." He. goes, "Get that [ __ ] gun off of my. range.". >> Wow. >> Because it's a P320. >> So Sig, by should be real clear. Sig. makes a bunch of guns that are awesome. Like the P365 is like one of the best.

carry guns in the world. There's a lot. of guns they make that don't have this. issue. But that particular gun that PR. had with one in the chamber is [ __ ]. knuckleheads walking around with one in. the chamber. >> Absolutely. It's and and all for I'm. just saying the only point I'm making is. that it's clearly it was a [ __ ] I'm. not saying like they wanted to execute. the guy. I'm just saying like they had. the gun taken from him. They didn't. communicate that to each other. They. freaked out. They But literally all it. took was seeing one video 11 days. earlier where he kicked the back of a. cop car and for every right-winger to.

go, "Yeah, whatever, dude. Got what you. deserve." So my all my point is about. this looking at this in the Iranian. regime. >> It's just not clear like what are you. actually accusing them of? Are you. saying that somebody was trying to. overthrow the government and the. government mowed them down? Are you. saying that they lined up protesters and. shot them all in the back of the head. simply for voicing their opinion? Like. none of this is made clear, but when the. war drums are beating, no one even cares. to like ask these questions. It's just. like, yep, they killed their own people.

And then if you notice with this war, much like with Venezuela, and almost. like with all of them, they just keep. giving you like they throw like 15. justifications. at it, you know, and you're like, wait, which one is the reason we're fighting. this? Cuz I've I saw all of them like to. play the humanitarian card and go, we're. doing this to, you know, for these. oppressed people. We want them to rise. up. They've been living under this. brutal regime. And you're like, "Okay, two things." Like, number one, that is. simply just not how US foreign policy. works. We don't fight wars on.

humanitarian grounds. You know what I. mean? Like, we're partners with some of. the most brutal authoritarians in the. world. And we've and in the case of like. Israel, we've been funding their. destruction of Gaza for the last two and. a half years. Like, it's and and so like. that's not really what's motivating this. here. And then number two, Donald Trump. even just the other day said he'll be. partners with the new Ayatollah and run. the straight of Harmoose together. He's. backed off. Yeah, he's backed off of. regime change or the idea.

>> Are they even talking to him? Is someone. talking to him? Like who who is he. talking to? >> Do they know who they're talking to? Cuz. it's not like they're meeting Donald. Trump said. >> some guys on the phone. I am free to. negotiate. Dude, [laughter] he's he said. Donald Trump himself said the other day. that um that he goes, "Negotiate, we're. negotiating. Negotiations are going. great." And they go, "Who are you. negotiating with?" And he goes, "A. person we believe to be in charge.". And then they said, "So, is this the new. Supreme Leader?" And he said, "No, no,

no one's heard from that guy. We don't. know where he is. >> Some hacker in his basement in. Bellarus." And. >> it's not. >> He's talking with an Arabian accent and. he's got them convinced. Well, it's just. >> I have the authority to negotiate. Uh let's be partners. Let's be wire 1. million Bitcoin to this address. [laughter]. Well, everything I'm seeing publicly. reported today is [snorts] that Iran is. like, "No, we're not in these.

negotiations. We've made our terms. clear." And their terms, what they're. asking for is something that Donald. Trump is not going to be able to give. them. >> What's that? uh their uh their their. demands were uh that we we stop uh. attacking immediately like that part. they might get that we pay them uh. restitution for all the damage so far um. essentially that we leave the region I. mean they had a few other things there. that were just like. >> and they want they want him to open up a. Terry blacks in tan [laughter].

that's. this one was really important [snorts]. to us if one Terry Black's barbecue. We. don't have good barbecue here. Um it's. it it doesn't seem like if if he's not. really negotiating with this guy, if. it's like if that if that's not true and. he's just like putting this out there in. the public as like a negotiation ploy. What a cluster [ __ ] Cuz you're you're. dealing with people that don't mind. dying. >> They they they believe I mean these are.

very religious people. >> They're fanatical. They believe they're. going to go to heaven. They believe they. are martyrs and they're they're fighting. for Allah. This is this is the just and. holy war. >> Well, they've also been attacked. They. Well, that's right. And they've been. preparing for this for a long time. >> Um, you know, and they like there's, you. know, people make a lot out of um the. chance that the Iranians, you know, they. chant death to America. And. >> what do you got there, Jimmy? >> Sorry. And who's control of it? Will Iran still.

be able to control the flow of oil? Uh, >> be jointly controlled. By who? >> Maybe me. Maybe me. >> Me and the Ayatollah. Whoever the. Ayatollah is, whoever the next Ayatollah. look, and it'll also be a form of a a. very serious form of a regime change. Now, in all fairness, everybody's been. killed from the regime. There's. automatically a regime change. But we're. dealing with some people that I find to.

be very reasonable, very solid. Uh the. people within know who they are. They're. very respected and maybe one of them. will be exactly what we're looking for. Look at Venezuela. How well that's. working out. [laughter]. >> I mean, dude, this is such a [ __ ]. mess. This is such a mess, dude. I mean, this is just too ridiculous, dude. And. the, you know, the thing is that a lot. of people, you know, I've spent a long. time at this point being against this. war because this war has been.

telegraphed since, you know, the the. Bush administration wanted to do this. [ __ ] And um, at least for like 15. years, I've been publicly opposing this. war. And one of the reasons why so many. of us oppose this, and it's a shitty way. to be vindicated, but is that look, Iran. is just not like any of the other. opponents in the global war on. terrorism. It's a it's a different beast. entirely. And you've seen this already. only 3 weeks in. We never dealt with any. of this with any of the other countries.

You know what I mean? We had what the. Pentagon calls escalation dominance in. all of those other wars, which is all. essentially like it it's just like. meaning like if you do this, we do this. if you do that like we're prepared for. everything. It's kind of like escalation. dominance is a lot like uh you like in. jiu-jitsu where you see really highle. guys who basically put you in a position. where you can make one of two choices. and either way you know like okay you. can you can give me your back and I'll. choke you or you can push off me and. I'll arm bar you you know like whatever. option you have I'm going to get you. We.

don't have that with Iran. >> and the Pentagon's been open about this. since at least 2007. Um and the the fact. is that as we're already seeing they can. target ships in the street of Hermoose. They can target our assets, our bases, our embassies in the region. They can. target our allies. And this is a big. problem. And so, like, it seems like. Donald Trump got into this thinking it. would be like Venezuela. It would be. quick and bloodless and easy and he. could claim victory. Now that it's not. gone that way, it seems like he's kind.

of scrambling for what the what the. offramp is here. Yeah. Now, at least I. give Donald Trump, as angry as I am with. him, um like at least it is true that. he's looking for an offramp, it seems. like. And he did this with the 12-day. war, right? Like he he started the war, he saw an off-ramp, and he and he took. he took it. The problem here really is. that this war changed the calculation. from the Iranian perspective. And that. much is clear so far. you know the after.

911. all the countries in the Middle East in. North Africa all the ones essentially. they all waved the white flag all of. them Saddam Hussein welcomed UN. inspectors in he was trying to do. anything he could to not meet the fate. that he ultimately met Gaddafi. denuclearized got rid of chemical. weapons Bashar Assad got rid of all his. chemical weapon like they were all just. like we don't want it with you you know. and Iran was very much the same way they. they got into the JCPOA they allowed an. inspections regime in to come look at. their their nuclear facilities, all of.

that. And even up to the 12-day war when. we we dropped the bunker buster, as in. Israel bombed a whole bunch of regime. targets, they still in their response. called ahead, made sure there'd be no US. uh uh troops there. They they hit the. side of a little base there, and then. they kind of went like they gave Trump. an off-ramp because they didn't want it, you know? They didn't want to they don't. want to die like Moar Gaddafi. They. don't want to, you know, have their. country destroyed. So for. self-preservation reasons, they showed. restraint. The calculation this time.

clearly already from the Iranians was. that we can't do that again. We we have. to give you a bloody nose and a black. eye. We have to make this cost as much. as possible for you. Otherwise, you guys. will just be back here in another 5. months doing it again. And they're. they're probably right about that. They're probably right. >> And so now we're in this situation where. we're already in a in a quagmire. It's. already like over a dozen Americans have. died. Some I think a couple hundred.

wounded at this point. Israel isn't. given real numbers on what's going on. there, but there's some pretty. substantial damage and definitely some. Israelis have died and I'm sure. thousands of Iranians have have died at. this point. It's cost I mean Pete Hgs. has just asked for $200 billion. I don't. know if it'll get up to costing that. much, but this thing is certainly. already in the tens of billions if you. consider munition, military movements, and and then just the damage to. embassies and bases and stuff like that. I mean, this thing is already a.

disaster. And so now it's not like. Venezuela where Donald Trump could just. stop and declare victory and and even. say like, "Look how great it's working. out." Now, is Venezuela really working. out that great? I I don't know. That's. kind you know, we took one guy away. The. regime's still in place. the people. haven't been liberated, but whatever. He. can claim that this now the problem here. is that, okay, number one, Donald. Trump's not really in a situation where. if he just quit right now, how is he. really going to say, look how wonderful. this is? It's like, I don't know, dude.

This cost a lot already and it doesn't. seem like there's any clear like what. did we get out of this? Well, the only. way it would work is if there was some. sort of a deal with whoever the [ __ ] is. going to be the new guy in charge and. they did come to some sort of an. agreement. >> and they did give them some compensation. for all the [ __ ] we blew up. >> Yes. Well, that right. >> So, they'll just print some more money. for that. Sure. And inflation. But look, here's the thing is that it's not just. Donald Trump. There's two other. participants in this war um or two other.

entities in this war. There's Iran and. there's Israel. Okay. Now, is Iran going. to accept that? Maybe. But look, just. like the 12-day war, look at the. position you're in now. We're relying on. the Mullers. You know what I mean? Like, it's that that is not an ideal situation. to be in. And then the other factor is. that there's Israel who also gets a say. in this for some reason because we allow. them to. And Netanyahu just the other. day was very clear about this. This is a. regime change. And he even said it will.

require ground forces. and he said he's. not sure who those ground forces will be. yet. >> And so now this happened if you do you. remember the moment during the 12-day. war when it was the closest Trump ever. came to like flipping out on Israel and. he said they don't know what the [ __ ]. they're doing. It was but he said Israel. and Iran don't know what the [ __ ]. they're doing because Donald Trump so. after he drops the bunker busters. >> he goes that's it we're you know what I. mean? taking the off-ramp. And then he.

said, "I want to work out a ceasefire. now." And then after he said that, Israel just started lighting up regime. targets, just bombing the crap out of. them. And they weren't bombing nuclear. facilities. They were just bombing like. government buildings. And they've been. doing a bunch of that in this war as. well, bombing local police departments, things like that, just creating chaos. Cuz what they want is what they've been. getting in the rest of the war on. terrorism. They're they they are quite. happy with a Libya model or a Syria. model. They.

>> don't want anyone that's organized as a. threat to Israel. >> They don't it's it's all about Iran's. support for Hezbollah. >> Yeah. >> Is that they want southern Lebanon, which they just uh Katz, their defense. minister, just announced that they're. going to occupy. >> Yeah. That's crazy, right? They just. announced they're gonna be occupying. another country. >> That's what it's about, man. And and. look, I mean, it's not again, this isn't. like a conspiracy theory. The guys all. tell you this in their own words. Benjamin Netanyahu was asked point blank. a few months back what [snorts] he. thought of the Greater Israel project. And he said it's very near and dear to.

my heart. Like this is the point of. denying the Palestinians a state for all. these years. You can't let the. Palestinians have a state because then. how are you going to take that all over. someday? That's all supposed to be part. of Israel. And the US ambassador, the US. ambassador, not the Israeli ambassador, the US ambassador to Israel is on record. saying that God promised Iraq to. Benjamin Netanyahu and that God promised. Lebanon and Saudi Arabia and the West. Bank and parts of Syria and all of this.

is greater Israel. That is it. By the. way, Sam Harris, where are you at on. that? Where where are the new atheists. when you could finally use them for. something? Hey, that's pretty crazy. Is. that how we do politics? We we work on. this this ridiculous religious. superstition that somehow the when God. said Israel in Genesis, he was referring. to the state that was created that they. named after that passage. This would. this would literally be on the level,

Joe, is if I named my son Jesus Christ. and then I told you you have to worship. my son. >> Look, it's right there in your Bible. Exactly. That you worship. No, you named. it after that, dude. That doesn't count. >> I That's crazy. And they took the spot. where it was. >> Yeah. I mean, like. >> they took over and they did it in a. horrific way. Like the numpka. >> Yeah. >> You You listen to some of those. soldiers, the translation of some of. those soldiers talking about what they. did and even laughing about what they. did. >> Some of them even smiling. >> in 1948. That's. >> Yeah. Cuz it's not It wasn't in 1848. You know what I mean? Like these guys.

were alive. Maybe not so many of them. now, but like 20, 30 years ago, you. could put a video camera in front of one. of these guys and ask them to tell their. story, >> right? It was 78 years ago. It wasn't. that long ago. >> Yeah, that's right. >> That's right. And so, you know, look, I. mean, the idea here that America after. just 25 years of catastrophic. failures, launching wars of choice, wars. of aggression, lying the American people. into it, just slaughtering millions of.

people and like bankrupting this country. and really severely degrading the. country with these wars. The idea that. we would jump into another war of choice. for Israel is just too like th this is. too crazy, man. And especially when it's. the administration that that really. ran on and promised that we want to get. out of this out of this game of fighting. stupid wars in the Middle East. >> Yeah, that was what we were all.

supporting. Yeah, >> that was the one thing that he was. saying that was so promising to so many. people that were independent that were. on the fence. They're like, "This guy. wants no wars." All right. Look, he. wants closing the border, which I think. is a great idea. He wants no wars. That. enough. >> Let's go. >> Well, especially um considering the fact. that well well like even if there are. some things about Donald Trump that. maybe you don't like uh but the other. guys are saying we want to keep fighting. forever wars and this guy is saying we. should stop doing that. That's enough to.

go, "Well, then he's better than you on. net." And don't get me wrong, I mean, I. I endorse Donald Trump in 24. Um, you. know, people give me [ __ ] for that. Some. people like that, some people give me. [ __ ] for it. Um, but I I do I kind of. view it like this, like, and I really I. will say, maybe I'm a little biased here. because I love you, but I don't think. I'm being biased. I really think you. played a an enormous role in in kind of. like standing up to the. progressive democratic establishment and.

their narrative over the last, you know, decade or so. And it's really hard to. kind of overstate how crazy they were, how much of a threat to this country. they were. And so for anybody who wants. to give [ __ ] to anyone who voted for. Donald Trump, it's like, "Hey man, the. alternative was the the party who. bragged about um first off insane woke. [ __ ] like poisoning the minds of. children in a really grotesque and. abusive way. They gave us open borders, flooding the country uh with people.

They gave us all types of COVID tyranny. uh based on pseudocience. They gave us. the most reckless foreign policy uh in. American history, which was this proxy. war on Russia's border. And they were. running, they were pretending the. president wasn't scenile when he clearly. was. Then they in the fourth quarter. threw up a cackling [ __ ] who was not. democratically picked in any process. And so, sorry, like it it does make. sense that a lot of people went, "Okay, we're going to go back with with this. other guy." Yeah. Also, there was an.

interesting dynamic happening in 24. where, okay, this wasn't, you know, Donald Trump, they had actually tried to. throw him in in jail, maybe even tried. to murder him. We never really got any. answers on that one. Um, he now had. Bobby Kennedy with them. He now had. Tulsi Gabbard with him. He now had all, you know what I mean? Even JD Vance, like a lot of these people who were. supposedly much more. non-interventionist. There was reason to hope that maybe it. wouldn't end up here. But anyway, I. guess my thing is that you played such a. huge role in this and I to a lesser.

extent played a role in standing up. against a lot of that progressive. insanity over the last 10 years. And I. just feel like after 24, you know, this. coalition came together where Donald. Trump for the first time ever wins the. popular vote, wins every single swing. state, and really more remarkably won. the youth and the culture. Like Donald. Trump went from being like the cultural. pariah to being the guy like Jon Jones. is doing the the dance at the front. And. it was just it was and that whole. coalition has been destroyed over this.

war. And now he's going to hand the. country right back over to these. Democrats who we've been fighting so. hard. All for what? All for a war that. Netanyahu wanted against a country that. dude, by the way, the justification for. the 12-day war was [ __ ] They. weren't trying to make nuclear weapons. They were trying to negotiate. got out. of that unscathed. But then all and and I want to you know. he said some nice things about me when. he was on here the other day with you. So I will say some nice things about uh. Constantin Cassen who I despite our. disagreements I really like that guy a.

lot but he is I could be wrong. I could. be missing someone. He's the only guy. I've seen who supported the 12-day war. but is really skeptical about this. And. I've seen so many people. It's. unbelievable dude. like they they just. so like the 12- day war comes for the. first 48 hours of it they're like dude. Israel's doing this on its own they want. for you to stay out of it then like the. third day they're like all right they do. need some help shooting down the. missiles that are coming back toward.

them but whatever this is just defensive. you know what I mean like you don't have. to get invol then it's like the next day. like all right we don't we don't have. bunker busters so we do need you to drop. the bunker busters but then their whole. uh um like defense of the 12-day war was. like look no Americans died it didn't. cost us a lot. It didn't turn into this. disaster. And now we're at the okay, well, fine. All of that happened, but. it's still a good thing. Constantin was. the one guy I saw who was like, "No, I. supported that one, but I am not getting. on board with this one." And I give him. a lot of credit for that. I give him a.

lot of credit for that. >> I like that guy a lot. I like him a lot. I like Francis a lot, too. I think their. show Trigonometry is one of the best. shows. Agree with them or not agree with. them. They're always reasonable. They're. never ideologically driven. They have. opinions that you may or may not agree. with, but they're real clear about their. opinions and why they believe what they. believe. >> Yep, that's right. And I I will say. >> and they're great guys. >> Yeah. Genuinely good dudes. >> Great guys. >> I really liked uh you know I get in a. lot of uh like the [ __ ] show. >> like arguments. I find myself in them. I. probably should be better than them and.

just not engage, but I I'm not and I'm. petty and [ __ ] show. >> like where it just becomes like an. insult thing or you know I debated Alex. Baron or just kind it's kind of. embarrassing in hindsight but like I. don't know. It gets me really angry when. the a guy's calling me a Holocaust. denier or something like that. I think. >> the phrasing was kind of silly. The way. he was saying it was silly and he was. just trying to play gotcha with you and. then you called him a [ __ ]. >> Yeah, it's not my finest moment. >> You could tell he was really shaken by. that. >> Well, that expected that. >> I kind of have a thing where like look,

I'm really into this [ __ ] and I nerd out. on it and I'm obsessed with all of this. for whatever reason. It's just like my. calling in life. Um but I'm also standup. comic at heart, you know? And so like as. soon as someone goes like, "Oh, I want. to be vicious." You're like, "Oh, you. want to be vicious?" Cuz like I'm pretty. good at being vicious. So like I could. do that. And you're probably not used to. hearing this type of vicious [ __ ] that. like comics say to each other. >> Um but one of the things that I really. appreciated about Francis and Constantin. was when I went to do their show, it was. just like. >> it was genuinely a good faith.

conversation. They weren't trying they. weren't trying to like win the point or. or get a clip that they could go we. destroyed Dave. And then once they do. that, I'm like, "Okay, well then I'm not. trying to do that either, man. Like, let's talk about this shit." That's. that's always what I'd rather do. Yeah. >> Um, but. >> the thing that's I guess the thing. that's really interesting about this. moment is that because the kind of. corporate media propaganda apparatus has. been completely destroyed and because. the internet and social media and. podcasts are where people go now for.

for, you know, conversations and debates. and news and all this stuff, >> they're kind of like they're like. they're running without a propaganda. apparatus, you know, like Israel just. Israel in the last 2 and 1/2 years is. down like 50 points in the polls like in. terms of American approval like they've. just been this it's a drastic change. like I've never seen on any issue over. the last years. >> in our lifetimes where it's been an. issue that we are dealing with the.

consequences of the relationship. >> That's right. >> There's never been a time in the past. where people were completely aware of oh. there's no other reason why we'd be. going into Iran. Like most people most. people don't think it wasn't for Israel. asking us to Netanyahu's consistent. visits to the White House. Mult. >> Oh, you can't even you can't even uh. pretend otherwise. I mean, people do. >> Yes. Well, they try to, but people. >> Coleman Hughes just got into a debate. with Glenn Greenwald about it. >> I saw that they did it. I have not had a. chance to watch it.

>> Somebody sent it to me and it was, you. know, I'm I'm being a good boy when it. comes to social media. It's been so good. for my brain. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of remarkable. So, uh, I got. just staying off, you mean? >> Yeah. Yeah. My new phone, I'm not going. to put anything on it. I'm going to have. my old phone and leave it at home and. I'm not going to be able to look at it. So, when I have to post things, I got to. post it on my other phone that's not. going to be with me. I'm not doing that. anymore because I just think. >> eventually ultimately it rots your. brain. But, you do get some cool debates.

and some insight into what's going on. And I don't know what Coleman's argument. was, but uh Glenn and Coleman were. arguing about Israel's influence on. this. >> Well, I'll be very interested to watch. that. Um I do respect Coleman despite. disagreeing with him very adamantly on. this. Very smart guy. Very smart guy. No. question about it. >> A very nice guy, too. And uh um and and. look I one of the things I really. respect about him is when I did his show. he literally starts it by going he goes. you know almost all these debates I see. you in like you're kind of debating.

issues and then people just debate your. character and he goes I'm not doing that. at all. I want to talk about the issues. the whole time and I just genuinely. appreciate that agree with him or. disagree with him. He's a super. reasonable guy and a very nice guy. I. like him a lot. I like him a lot. Whether I agree with him or disagree. with him, he's a wonderful person. I th. this agreed this this is what I will say. about um his position on this which I I. think is is kind of interesting. So, number one, um, when I was on Pierce.

Morgan with him right after Venezuela. happened and he was his position, I. don't want to mischaracterize it, but I. think this is pretty accurate, was he. was like, look, a lot of people are. comparing Venezuela to Iraq or Libya or. Syria, but like that is a different. region, a different culture, a different. religion, and so really what we should. be comparing this to is other. interventions in in Latin America in. South America. And I, you know, I didn't. completely agree with that. I was like, actually, I think there are some lessons.

you could learn from other wars that. we've been in that might apply here. But. I was like, okay, fair enough. Hey, let's look at other interventions in. Central and South America because we've. got a long list of really disastrous. ones. Like if you want to look at. Guatemala or Nicaragua or, you know, Cuba, Mexico, a whole bunch. Um, but. then when this war in Iran starts, I. don't see him going the equal opposite. of that, going, "Hey, now that we're at. war with Iran, we have to judge this by. Iraq and Afghanistan and Libya and.

Syria." Because, you know what I'm. saying? Like, that would be the flip. side to the other position. And so, I. don't see that. The other thing is that. when he's arguing with me about uh. because I was arguing that, you know, that is the Israel lobby and the Israeli. government were a huge part of why we. fought the war in Iraq, right? >> And his big point that he stuck to a lot. of the hawks uh stick to this is that. Ariel Chiron was actually he who was the. sitting prime minister at the time, he. was actually against the war in Iraq. Now, that's not exactly true. Um he he.

wanted George W. Bush to invade Iran. first, not Iraq. And then when he got. assurances that Iran would be next, he. got on board. You could go look at. Chiron's speech. He gave a speech, I. think it was in August of 2002 to the. Knesset and it's all about how Iraq is. the biggest threat. They have weapons of. mass destruction, but the MSAD was. cranking out all types of BS. intelligence about the nuclear weapons. that he could detonate in 15 minutes or. whatever. It was all nonsense. But if. you're going to say that that is. evidence that Israel was not pushing us.

into this because the sitting prime. minister at the time didn't like this. war, okay, but again then how does the. current sitting prime minister of Israel. feel about this war in Iran cuz he's. fighting it with us. And he said after. it started that this is the culmination. of his entire life's work. He has been. trying to lie our our government into. this war for my entire lifetime. coming. here. He he testified how many times he. testified with the cartoon of a bomb. >> at the UN cartoon a bomb cartoon with.

percentages of the enriched uranium. >> and like a Daffy Duck bomb. Not like. like a the bomb that'll blow your beak. around to the other. >> and [laughter] it was he was already up. real high. He was already up real high. No, dude. He was on record saying that. Iran was 3 to 5 years away from getting. a nuclear weapon in the '9s. He's I mean. it's just he's just been lying through. his teeth. And there is something look. man there's something really profoundly. dishonorable.

>> about trying to lie another country into. war. Like not even trying to sell the. war to your own people and have your own. military do it but because you can. There it is. >> Yeah. There we were up to 90%. >> First stage. No, it was first stage we. were at. He was saying they've hit the. first stage. >> Oh. Oh. Oh, excuse me. Okay. Yeah, you're right. I guess this is we can't. we can't go any. >> mom. >> It's just so ridiculous. And he knows he. knows he's lying. >> He's like your friend that like you've. been friends with since high school and.

every time you go out he gets you in a. fight. >> Yeah. >> Like dude, don't do this. Like those. guys over there are a [ __ ] problem. Let's go over there and [ __ ] them up. And like you know all your buddies are. like dude guy again. >> Dude, I use that exact analogy when I. debated uh Josh Hammer did at uh. Princeton University and um or maybe it. was with the Charlie Kirk. It was one of. the times I debated him, but I used that. exact analogy. He was like, "Is Israel. an ally?" And I was like, "No." It's. like, "They're not a good friend. If. your friend's getting you in a bar fight. every night that stop hanging out with. that guy, bro." Tim Dylan did an ad for.

Neurogum and Neuromints on his podcast. >> where he's like, "I have a friend, uh, let's just call her Erica." And he does. this Erica Kirk ad. He doesn't say it's. Erica Kirk for Neurogum. Have you heard. of Jamie? >> I don't [clears throat] think so. >> Oh my god. Oh my god. It's so funny. Oh. my god. It's so It's so crazy. He's so. out of his I [ __ ] love him so much. I'm so happy Tim Dylan's in the world.

>> He is the best. >> He's the best. If you're not listening. to his podcast and you want a rational. but hilarious take on all the [ __ ]. madness that's going on with not just. his war but the Epstein Files, his. episode of the Epstein Files, I hardly. ever tweet about other people's. podcasts. But I I hardly ever tweet but. I posted it. I'm like this is one of the. best podcasts about anything ever. his. ability, Tim's ability to like rant. >> it like it like a hilarious rant that is.

laced with excellent points, but it's. just hilarious the whole time and just. him going off is second to none. >> And he's sober. He just puts on his. magic glasses. >> It's him and Fuentes are the top two. >> Oh, but he buries Fuentes. Fuentes is. really good. Fuentes has. >> him can do something different than. anybody else can do. >> Yeah. Well, his ability to blend sarcasm. and just celebration of chaos. >> Yeah, it's second to none. >> Best ranter that's ever walked the face.

of the planet. >> I remember uh when I first met Tim in. New York back before he he moved out to. LA after that, but when I first met him. in New York and he was I think like he. was a green standup. I think he hadn't. been doing it for that long, but I. remember just like being on podcasts. with him and just being like, "Yo, this. dude is going to be a [ __ ]. superstar." Like it was just like his. his ranting like ability. Like he would. go off on things where you just find.

yourself like like you almost have a. moment where you forget you're on the. show with him. Yeah. >> You're like I'm just sitting here. watching that and then I'm like, "Oh. [ __ ] I'm here too. I better say. something." But like he's just. unbelievable. [laughter]. >> Listen to this ad. Listen, >> I don't know if I should tell this, but. it does show how effective neuromints. can be. A friend of mine, let's call her Erica. [laughter]. She. She's had a wild life, this woman. She. was in Romania. She had an orphanage.

She was on a reality show. She married. this famous guy. She was an intelligence. asset. [laughter]. And I said to her, "How do you do this?". And she says,"Tim, [laughter] it's. neuros energy and focus." And I said, "But how do you do it after the guy, the. husband and father of the kids, gets. murdered and you're out there doing all. kinds of stuff? You're doing fundraisers. and you're dancing around with glitter.

pants. How does [laughter] this happen?". She goes, "I could lie to you, but I'm. telling you, it's Neuro's energy and. focus mix." I said, "Really?" She goes, "Sure.". [laughter]. I said, "How are you running this. organization 7 hours after this guy got. popped?" [laughter]. She goes, "A lot of people speculate, but it's Neuro's energy and focus. mints." I go, "Really?". She said, "Yeah, neuroenergy and focus. is powered by natural green tea, caffeine, althenanine for calm, focus,

and vitamin B12 and B6 for [laughter]. >> I mean, whatever they're paying him, they should pay him more." Yeah, it's. not enough. [snorts] No one can pay him. enough. He's the goat. >> Well, that'll also just make you. remember that product forever. >> Yeah. No, he's the greatest of all time. >> It might be. >> I'm trying to figure out how to turn our. racetrack sign on all the way. >> Is it broken? >> God damn. We need a new one. >> I'll get a hold of Bobby. >> Uh he's the goat, dude. He's uh You mean.

just Yeah. I had someone in the White. House come up to me and goes, "Is Tim. Dylan really gay?". I go, "Yeah, he's really gay." Like, you. think he would fake that? >> He goes, "How long have you known him?". I go, "I've known him forever. He's. really gay.". >> Yeah. Well, he will he's a he's a real. good undercover, but every now and then. you see it come out. >> Every now and then you see like uh like. I remember and this is back when he was. young and and he was broke at the time, but Tim was always [snorts] kind of a. snob, even when he was broke, like it. was always kind of and I went uh I. forget what it was, but uh I was like I.

was like, "Oh, we could get food from. this restaurant." And he goes, "From. there?" I go, "Yeah, they got good. food." And he goes, "You think that's. good food?" Like cuz he's like a real. like foodie or whatever. And then it was. just like, "Oh, I saw it for a second. there.". >> Well, he used to have money cuz he had. money when he was selling. >> He had money in finance. Then he decided. to be. >> subprime mortgages and he was a part of. the housing crisis. >> That's right. >> And he was doing cocaine back then. >> He he did topple the US economy for a. while, but then he got into comedy. He. more than made up for it. He's more than.

made up for that. >> This is where he belongs. Yeah, >> he belongs in front of that screen with. the glasses on just going on these. insane rants. >> Oh yeah, >> he's so funny, man. His Epstein files. take [ __ ] genius, man. >> That was great, dude. His thing about uh. Sam Harris having a a meditation app and. also supporting genocide. [laughter]. It's like the most hilarious thing ever. Like what human being does both of. those? [laughter]. >> Such a great take on that. >> Oh, he's so funny, man. Yeah, we're.

lucky, dude. We're we're we're we're a. part of a really cool group of people. right now. You know, it's a very unusual. time that the mainstream has lost all of. its power of influence on people. It. still puts out information. It still. puts out shows, but they're. >> trying to look like you, >> but they're fun. That was [laughter]. >> that Jake Taber thing was so crazy. I. was like, what are you doing? Are you. doing a podcast now? Like, what are you. doing? It's it's such a perfect like. little microcosm though of like it's. almost painful. Like I'm like guys just.

can you hire me? I mean like I I would. explain this to you wouldn't work either. because they're so trained. They're so. it's like. >> if you get a dog and that dog has been. maybe a Yeah. a cat might be a better. example. Like if you've never had a. litter box in the house and the cat's. been pissing all over the carpet. >> Mhm. >> You are always going to have that cat. piss on the carpet. That's what that guy. does. You're not going to fix him. If. your entire life you've been spitting. out nonsense from a teleprompter and now.

all a sudden you have to be yourself, you've been functioning in a world of. executives and producers where everybody. goes over every little thing you say and. do. You 100% read things you know aren't. true or at least partially true. >> Mics for like everything. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Their their whole setup. is they're all trying to look like. podcasters. >> No, wait a minute. They put mics out. like podcasters. That's crazy. Imagine. if they think that's all it takes. >> But well, this is [laughter] but but. Joe, talk about completely missing the.

point, [screaming] right? This just. fundamentally missing it is that they go. they actually go, "Okay, >> so all of these people have left, you. know, watching cable news in in droves. and now they a lot of people listen to. podcasts. They'll listen to you or Theo. von or whoever it might be. And the a. huge reason, right, why people a huge. reason why you've been number one for so. long now is because however anyone feels. about you, you're authentic. And it's. very hard to deny that. You know, one.

one of the biggest questions I get when. people like meet me if I do like meet. and greet after shows or something, it's. it's what's Joe Rogan like is a question. I get all the time because we're buddies. and I've been on the show a lot a lot of. times and you know people are love you. And they'll go, "What's Joe Rogan like?". And I always tell them the same thing. I. go, "You already know. you're, you know, like you already know. who he is. He's that guy and then. offstage he's that guy. You know what I. mean? Like that's who he is. And people. like that. People like that. Whatever. you think about Theo, he's telling he's. authentic. He's being himself. That's.

who he is. That's a That's why it works. >> And because you guys in the corporate. media are all professional liars and. have lied to the American people about. the last 17 crises. You know, they don't. trust you anymore. And so then their. reaction to that is you go, "Well, what. if we pretended to be podcasters?". You're like, "No, you dummy. That's the. whole thing. This is just proving. further how inauthentic you are that. you're [ __ ] meetings on this. podcast.". >> 100% they [laughter] do, dude. They all.

This was to me despite the fact that I, you know, and people give me [ __ ]. [cough] about voting for Donald Trump. and they could say I should have known. better and whatever. I was a huge critic. of him in his first term and I'm a huge. critic of [snorts] him in his second. term. But the best thing about Donald. Trump winning in 24, and I did predict. this, right, I'm not always the best. with predictions. I'm pretty good on. issues, I think, but I'm not great at. predictions. They're tough. But the best. thing about Donald Trump winning was. that the corporate media finally. admitted it. They were they had been. pretending for so long. I remember we.

used to joke about I remember coming on. like a few years ago and uh we would. joke about how Brian Stelter would. always whenever he talked about you he. would always kind of go like the fringe. Joe Rogan like as if he's the mainstream. and you're the fringe as if the numbers. aren't readily available to all of us. that we could be like your show has like. 200,000 listening and his has 20. million. So, how is he the fringe and. you're the mainstream? But they would. pretend. Well, they maybe they believed. it, but that 24 the election, that's. when they all admitted it. And then the.

talking point moved to. >> we need to find our own Joe Rogan. The. Democrats need to find a Joe Rogan or. whatever. Remember that was like, so. they kind of admitted that, oh, the. podcasts have become the new mainstream. and we are the fringe, >> right? But the dumb part of that. statement was, you already had me, you. [ __ ] idiots. You just lost your mind. I'm not right and I'm not left. Yeah, I. think both of them suck. And I think the. adherence to the ideologies that the. left supports or the right supports is. out of their [ __ ] You got to be out of. your [ __ ] mind. Whether it's these.

crackpot Christian nationalists that. think that this whole war is a way to. get Jesus to return on a white horse. Do. you see those guys that were talking. Yeah. during the the readiness [ __ ]. meeting? That I think that's nuts, too. I think the woke [ __ ] and all the the. chaos of the [ __ ] last four years of. having a completely open border and the. justifications of all these things, that's nuts, too. I'm not on either. body, anyone's side. The Democrats. aren't ever going to get someone like me. because I'm not with either or. I'm not.

with either or. >> I'm with whoever [ __ ] makes sense and. no one makes sense until AI comes along. I think they're going to do a really. good job. President Perplexity is going. to run this country [laughter] fairly. and balanced. Man, I'm I'm willing to. try it at this point, dude. >> I'm [ __ ] I'm dead serious, man. As. long as it doesn't like do something to. harm people. As long as like that's it. It goal is just to manage society. >> It's a big if that you got there. But. yes, if we can get that. but what you just said I think is really.

well this is something that I'm. encouraged by is that I think what you. just said there I really do believe that. you speak for super majorities of the. American people. And that's why even. though Donald Trump has shattered his. coalition by lying us into this stupid. war on behalf of a foreign country, >> that coalition is still ripe for someone. else to pick it up and run with it. And. that's kind of what I'm hoping. I hope. Thomas Massie runs for president. I. think, by the way, they're doing a big. money bomb for Thomas Massie on March. 30th. And I think him winning. re-election in Congress is like the most.

important political election in the. country right now because he's done. nothing wrong except actually stand up. for America first and for all the stuff. that Donald Trump and Tulsi Gabbard and. all these people ran on. and he's gotten. the the Israel lobby and the Adelins, but I repeat myself, have been pouring. millions of dollars uh into his race to. try to unseat him for the crime of not. going along with the Epstein cover up. and not going along with another stupid. war and having some like fiscal sanity. So, I hope I hope he wins. I.

>> imagine those three negatives. Imagine. those being three negatives that people. are saying he's not MAGA. >> Yeah. Well, [snorts] then okay. What is. MAGA then? >> Well, if that's like I don't know. Like. my position is always like if you're. saying if if not supporting covering up. the Epstein files or not supporting a. stupid war of choice, a war of. aggression on behalf of Israel means I'm. not MAGA, then okay, I'm not MAGA. I. don't I'm not attached to the the the. you know the phrase make America great. again. I don't care then. But that.

phrase sucks. Here's the thing. Like. first of all, America is great. Make. America greater, I'm down. but make. America great again. And then it becomes. a movement of a bunch of [ __ ] dorks. because a lot of them are dorks. A lot. of them these really weird [ __ ]. uninteresting, unintelligent people that. have got something they cling to and and. there's a lot of people that are just. real genuine patriots and they're all. lumped into this one group and you got. to accept the dorks, too. [ __ ] that. Like the concept of making America great.

is a great idea. But as soon as you have. a [ __ ] team and you allow anybody to. join up, >> you've you don't even have tryyouts for. your team. So you've got a bunch of. [ __ ] [ __ ] that are running around. spouting out opinions and you have to go. along with them because they're MAGA. And then you've got bots online that are. probably from [ __ ] Indonesia or. Russia or wherever and they're. pretending they're MAGA and they're. saying crazy [ __ ] So that's a part of. MAGA, too. You've [ __ ] up by becoming. a part of a group.

>> Yeah. >> Whether it's a Republican group, a. Democrat group, a MAGA group, a [ __ ]. woke group, whatever it is, you [ __ ]. up by being in a group. >> Yeah. What is George Carlin said? People. are great as individuals. Yeah. >> But when they get in a group, man, they're the worst things in the world. And that's why that's why it should be. about the like the issues. It should be. about your principles and what you. believe in. And you should be like, look, like I've said uh many nice things. about Tulsi Gabbard over the years and I. was extremely critical of her over since.

last summer into now cuz I think she's. lying us into a war which is the war. that she was always opposed to. The one. the one she sold no war with Iran. t-shirts. Um she like this was. >> how is she lying us into this war? >> So la well. >> because that's a big statement. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Uh so and it's. it's true. So last summer, so Tulsi. Gabbard had given her the as the. director of national intelligence does. every year, they give their annual. threat assessment and she testified uh.

before Congress about it and she it was. very clear in her annual threat. assessment that Iran was not attempting. to build nuclear weapons that they had. not yet made the political decision to. attempt to build nuclear weapons, let. alone like are actually going for it. And um and she testified before Congress. saying the same thing. And then after. negoti while they were negotiating, Israel sneak attacks them. Then she had. some post where she goes Iran could be. weeks or months away from nuclear.

weapons, which is like was total. [ __ ] It made absolutely no sense. >> Let me see what the post. >> Sure. [snorts] This is from if you could. find it, this is from last, it must have. been last June, >> right? But is that a fact? So if they're. enriching uranium up to 60% and they. just have to enrich it further for the. ability to use it in nuclear weapons. that is a couple weeks away. >> now but not not before it would be to. build a bomb and to make it deliverable. I think all the experts say at least a. couple years but the point aside from. that is that at the time this is over.

now but at the time Iran was still. members of the JCPOA. They were still in. it. So like. >> what is that? the this is the Iran deal. that Obama uh got us into. Obama is. horrible on foreign policy, the butcher. of Libya and Syria and Yemen and he. surged in Afghanistan. But in Iran, he. made a deal with them and the deal but. it wasn't just with the US and Iran. It. also involved uh Russia and uh France. and and England and there were other. countries involved in it too. And the. the JCPOA said that uh Iran couldn't.

enrich above I think it was 3 to 5% or. something like that and they were. staying in it and they it created a new. inspections regime which Iran so they. were having full inspections they. weren't enri but but the deal also said. that if America gets out of the deal. they can enrich up to higher. So when. America got out of the deal they started. enriching. >> And when did America get out of the. deal? >> Donald Trump to it up in his first term. I want to say 2017 or 2018. And then. they immediately started enriching. >> No, they went up a little bit and then I.

think there were a couple Israeli. attacks and then they went up to. enriching at 60%. But so the reason we. knew they [clears throat] were enriching. up to 60%. Is cuz they were still. members of the JCPOA with an inspections. regime who was going in there and saying. they're enriching up to 60%. >> Right. But how much do you actually know. about enriching uranium and what it. takes to turn into a bomb? >> Let's let's read what she says. New. intelligence confirm what POTUS has. stated numerous times. Iran's nuclear. facilities have been destroyed. Oh no, I. think this is after this is the right. one. Her tweet was before. >> This is from June.

>> Yeah, this would have been just shortly. before this, but her tweet was before we. hit Fordo. >> Yeah, this is June 25th. There's a. recent one though. Um Oh, edited June. 25th. >> Yeah, but it seems like it was still. edited the day it was posted. But can. you go to her page and because she. doesn't tweet a lot. She's not a psycho. She's not one [laughter] of those. If. she tweets, it's generally something. important or someone from our team is. So, is this the Hold on. What above that.

overwhelmingly elected by the Click on. that show more. >> I think that's it. >> Well, this is what she testified to. Congress this time. I I was referring to. a different one from But I also think. this is a a a lie. I mean, for her to. say that the president determines what. is an imminent threat or is not. No. Either there is an imminent threat or. there is not one. That this is like. saying the president determines the. weather. >> Right. Right. Right. But but you're.

taking her words out of context. She's. saying something that's factually. correct. As our commander-in-chief, he. is responsible for determining what is. and is not an imminent threat. That is. true. And whether or not to take action. he deems necessary to protect the safety. and security of our troops, the American. people, and our country. That's just an. actual fact. Okay. Yes. Fair enough. But. when she testified before Congress, they. asked her like they asked her point. blank a bunch of times about this. And. then she goes, "That's not my job to. determine what's an imminent threat.

That's the job of the president. And if. he says it is, then it ends.". >> Okay. So look at this here. Initially, she's contradicting Trump, saying that. Iran did not rebuild after the 2025. strikes. Contradicting Trump. So this is. also from Time magazine. So she's saying. that now what you're saying that she. said earlier was a lie is not a lie, dude. Because that is actually his. >> Well, I wasn't referring to that. >> I understand. But you did say that was a. lie. What she said was a lie. >> Okay, fair enough. That was not a lie. But it was but it is it's.

>> actually correct. And if you're in a. position like she's in where you've got. that guy breathing down your neck and. you're forced to make a statement, >> you've got to tread. very carefully on this tight rope that. you're walking. >> Okay, fine. But let's just say. hypothetically that you know for a fact. that Iran did not pose an imminent. threat and then that's your answer when. you're asked if they did. Fine. It's not. a lie. But it is. >> very misleading to say the least.

>> How much Okay, hold on. Intel Chief. Gabbard declines to say if Iran posed an. imminent threat to the US. She declined. to say per on her own personally, but. she did. >> This is the congressional test. >> Yes. Yes. Yes. This is I think this is. what I was referring to here. And she. does at one point say that it's not her. job to make that determination, which I. do think is her entire job. >> Um, it's interesting. Look, maybe maybe I'm. being a little harsh by saying lying in. that example. And fair enough to your. point there. Like that technically is a. true statement. I do think it's very. misleading and I do think that she.

really was the one who advocated against. this specific war for the reasons that. we're seeing unfold right now. And I do. think I I get your point. It's a very. tough tight rope to walk. options are. essentially, I think, to do what Joe. Kent did and resign or to stay on and. support the thing. I mean, I think it's. kind of hard to thread that needle, >> right? Do you think that there is. >> any value in being one of the few. reasonable voices that has his ear? Yeah, ultimately it is his.

responsibility to determine what's an. imminent threat and what is not. Um, I. would imagine that she gets access to. most of the same classified information. that he does as the director of national. intelligence. I don't know though. I. don't know how it works. >> But. what can she do other than try to be a. voice of reason if ultimately this guy. is going to do what he wants to do, right? And he's going to do what also. what Israel wants to do clearly. Oh. yeah. >> And he's talked about it, you know, and.

also in his first term, I I'll never. forget this [ __ ] conversation that he. had with Steve Hilton cuz I think it was. one of the first times since I've seen a. president say, and Steve Hilton, by the. way, I've been friends with him for 12. or 13 years. Met him and his family in. Maui on the beach when my daughter's. really young and his kids really young, they became friends. We've hung out. together, vacation together. He's a. sweetheart of a guy. I love that guy. Um, and when he was interviewing Trump, Trump said that there is a military.

industrial complex and these guys want. to go to war. >> Yep. >> And we were like, "What? This is You're. just saying that? Like, you're just. saying that?" It's one of the many. reasons. um why a lot of people liked him cuz he. he would do things like that where he. would completely break protocol and. just, "Hey, let me know. Let let me let. me uh let you know rather let me inform. you. There's a bunch of people that want. to go to war and they're pushing me all. the time to go to war. That's what they. want. >> It was so crazy, dude, because also even.

when he coined the term, it was in his. farewell address to the nation. He was. literally like, "This is my last stop. and then I'm leaving." Trump was just in. the middle of his presidency and he. goes, "All of them want war. They all. want me to be in war all the time. If it. was up to them, we'd always be at war.". And I do, you know, now look, that was. crazy. I thought actually the one to me. that was even crazier was if you. remember when Bill O'Reilly was. interviewing him and he's talking about. Vladimir Putin and he goes, he's like, oh well, you won't, you know, at the. time Donald Trump, which he had run on, he was, he was saying, we should have.

daunt with Russia. He goes like, why do. we, you know, we have all the nuclear. weapons. Yeah. He goes, he goes, Putin's. a killer. You want to have a date taunt. with a killer? And he goes, we got a lot. of killers, too. And then he goes, whoa, whoa. What do you mean we got a lot of. killers, too? And he goes, "What was. Iraq? What was that? We got a lot of. killers on our side, too." And then Bill. O'Reilly's, "Well, I I mean, a a rack. was a mistake, but he goes, "Yeah, we. got a lot of killers, too." And I love. that, by the way. I mean, that was uh. >> that's breaking protocol. >> Yes. Yes. Well, I think this is kind of.

I think one of the main reasons why the. establishment revolted against Trump the. way they did. There's something very. scary to the powers that be about a guy. who like by his very nature like I don't. even think he's capable of not letting. things slip. You know what I mean? Like. he's he's just that's who he is. Um and. that you know was a big thing that. people really didn't like about him. Very interesting to me is that so many. of the never Trumpers.

have come to define his presidency. Like. if you if you remember back in in 2016, the uh the the Warhawk kind of Israel. first Republican crowd, the neocons and. all them, they hated Donald Trump. Hated. him with a passion. Ben Shapiro uh was a. never Trumper. He said because of his. deeply held principles, he could never. support Donald Trump. Mark Levvin was a. never Trumper. All of National Review,

all of them. and now they are the. biggest Trump supporters ever as kind of. he's blown up the coalition that got him. elected. So, it's kind of interesting. that they all, you know, you know, but again, >> tell those guys to all stay off Twitter. There's not one thing that they ever say. that makes them look better. They get in. these silly [ __ ] They just feel like. they're going to make some stupid. [ __ ] statement and then refute a. couple of people and don't understand. the crowd reaction when you've got.

thousands of people tweeting against you. now. Thousands just attacking you, destroying you, posting memes, posting. videos. You said this and you said that, you piece of [ __ ]. >> It's amazing. >> It's crazy. >> I got to say I I do love that dynamic of. it. There's there's something that. >> that's why I stay off of it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's you look, there's problems with it, but there is. something about that dynamic now that. was just never true in the past where. it's like look, I'm not saying it's. perfect and obviously there's bots and. there's things like that. So, it's not.

like a but. >> the people kind of get a voice in a way. that they never had before, right? And. there is something kind of cool about. that. >> 100%. I love it. But it's not all the. people either. It's a lot of fake. people. There's a lot of like state. sponsored actors. >> That's true. That's true. There's. manipulation, but there was always. manipulation in the old order. Also, >> do you see this YouTube bot farm that. they just busted? >> No, >> they busted this this [ __ ] warehouse. had cell phones all rigged up for.

YouTube views. >> where people would just they would just. hire a company and say, "Hey, you know, part of the problem is not getting. enough views. I'd really like to blow. the [ __ ] up and get to number one." and. you hire them and they could get views. >> Interesting. >> Well, that's also I mean I guess if you. got advertisements that's legit fraud. >> 100%. >> that's like actual fraud 100%. And kind. of a weird loophole where I don't think. it's illegal. >> Yeah, that's got to be a bot thing. >> It's got to be some type of fraud though.

if you're like if you're intentionally. doing that. Like maybe if you didn't. know, >> right? >> You could but. >> but listen, Twitter pays people X pays. people to post. So you pay based on engagement, right? That's how you get paid. So you farm out. engagement. >> So like what percentage of what we're. interacting with is just horseshit? Well, I got So um. >> I know this story just happened. A guy. got arrested plead guilty cuz he made I. think I think what happened? He made a.

fake band to. >> Yeah. He had an AI generated song. He. got it played billions of times in an. effort to mimic the genuine streaming. activity of real consumers. Smith plead. guilty today. Conspirity to commit wire. fraud. Wire fraud. >> Check this out, though. I heard a. similar story in Japan where. >> First of all, let me stop you right. there. Michael Smith generated thousands. of fake songs using artificial. intelligence. Hey, hey, hey, stop. talking [ __ ] about AI music cuz it's not. fake. Those are real songs. >> Yeah. >> Don't say fake songs. They They're real.

songs and some of them are [ __ ]. bangers. Unfortunately, >> some of them are really good. >> You're going to like what I was going to. say then. A a guide was doing this in. Japan and it got viral and so he hired. people to be the band and now the band. is a real band. >> Kind of popular. >> So AI AI is creating jobs in this case. >> Well, you know, so I. >> shift Brent rules though. You can never. create him in real life. He's the guy. who does the uh 50 Cent ones.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. I've seen I've seen quite. a few. guy was, first of all, if that. guy was real, he'd have lungs like a. [ __ ] ultramarathon runner because the. flow. Like, how could you even have air. [laughter] to say what you're saying? >> Like, someone was saying that to me. She. was like, I think you couldn't do this. And my argument was Eminem. I was like, yeah, you could. You just have to be. wicked at it. Like Eminem. Like Eminem. in his prime, that [ __ ] could. spit in a way where you like, I can't. believe he's still talking. >> Yeah, it was uh I I remember there were. a couple of his things where I was like, I don't Can he actually do this? And.

then I saw him do it live and not not. like I was there but saw it on YouTube. like where you're like, "Oh, he can. actually rap like that.". >> Recently, >> I saw him recently. It was [ __ ]. great. He's still great. He's thin. He. looks good. >> Yeah, he was killing it, man. He was. killing it. But those the speed in which. that he can rap made me go maybe AI is. not bullshitting. But, you know, 50 Cent. himself was like much more casual in his. delivery. Yes. >> You know, and it was uh much slower. the. Shifty Brent AI version is like, damn,

that was a real person. [laughter]. That'd be pretty great. >> He would be the greatest artist. I got. there was a guy I can't remember his. name but just uh like the other day uh. some guy he works for Fox News and he. came out and had a whole post about me. and he goes uh um he goes Dave Smith's. account is clearly botted by foreign. like and I'm almost like when he said. that I was almost kind of like it was a. weird thing like I know I've never paid. for anything but like I don't know you. know what I mean like what someone else. might have done or something like that.

but I asked him but I I so I replied to. him and I go wait what evidence do you. have of this and then he his post was. that he said because I had 900,000. followers on Twitter but I'm playing. Laugh Boston this weekend and he goes. that's a 300 seat venue so I play that. obviously sometimes too well I was like. first of all he doesn't understand you. just don't get comedy clubs dude like. this is not and first of all I'm doing. five shows there by the way come on out. this weekend. >> great club. >> great club one of my one of my favorite.

weekends of last year. >> it's a [ __ ] great room. >> but I was like look Man, I I sold out. all the shows last year. Hoping to do. the same this year. But I go that is any. like I just know the industry of standup. comedy pretty well and I was like. anybody who you're saying would be. selling more than this. So what selling. out big theaters or selling out a. stadium or something like that? All the. people who do that have more followers. than me. >> So like he's not even right about the. ratio of it or whatever. >> He doesn't understand numbers. >> But then I kind of like I I grilled him. on it a bit more cuz listen I'm kind of.

like you. Like when you were talking. about suing CNN back in the day for. slandering you, like I'm never actually. gonna do it, but I don't mind saying it. You know what I mean? So like I don't So. I tagged Fox News and I go, "Hey Fox. News, shouldn't you have some evidence. if you're going to make a claim like I'm. clearly botted by foreign influence or. whatever?". >> Fox News actually said it. >> The guy works for Fox News. >> Was he on Fox News? >> No, he's on Twitter. >> Twitter, but he's like a a Fox News. contributor or something like that, >> right? But I'm a UFC contributor. It. wouldn't be like the UFC. You know what.

I'm saying? I guess that's true. So, I. don't know. Maybe it would just be him. And either way, I'm not suing anyone. But I did want him to just I go just. just admit you don't have any evidence. for this. Like, just retract that. >> Well, here's the thing. I would agree. that your account is botted because. you're very controversial public figure. So, of course, they're going to focus. I'm sure my account is botted, too. I'm. sure Jaime's account is botted. >> 100%. Right. >> Show you the [laughter] evidence. >> I think Jamie might have bought himself. >> We're all botted, man. the if you look. at you know we've brought up this up a.

million times but there was an FBI. former FBI analyst who analyzed Twitter. before the purchase and it was his take. that as much as 80%. might be artificial now this is back. then this is before Elon purchased it I. think they've done they've taken some. steps to try to ensure one of the things. is you have to you could go to the. person's page you can see what country. they're posting from. >> Yes. I like that because there's a lot. of people that are like pro America and. you're like, "Hey, man, you're in. Pakistan." Yeah. Like what's going on.

here? This is kind of kooky. So, there's. a lot of that going on. >> I' I've had I've had uh uh before where. people go like, "Oh, Dave, you always. say Israel's trying to lie us into war, but this is America. We decide what war. we're going to fight and then you click. it. Israel [laughter] in Israel talk. >> At least we're getting steps to know. those." Listen, if it wasn't for Elon. Musk, we would be [ __ ] I've said this. before, I'll say it again. history will. go back and look at his purchasing. Twitter and it it has changed the course.

of communication in this country for the. better. I know a lot of you thought, "Oh. my god, the racism is up and all this. stuff is up." That's people. That's the. internet. That is an accurate represent. representation of people. It's not good, but it's also accurate. And the only way. that's going to change is if the other. voices are more compelling. And at least. now they have an opportunity to do that. >> Yeah. Well, and you and you have to kind. of engage in this whether and I'm not. saying you have to be on Twitter or.

something like that, but I'm just saying. like if you wanna, you know, I would love very much to get. to a place where like you be like, "Hey, let's all agree that we're not on board. with the bigotry stuff." And I mean this. like whether it's against white men or. whether it's against black men or. whether it's against Jews or whether. it's against Muslims or whatever. And I. see a whole lot of all of that. And I'd. love to move past that. I also would um. like like I I wish there was a way that. like Mark Leven and Tucker Carlson could.

have like a cool conversation. You know. what I mean? And not like not like be. like but [laughter] Well, look, it's. >> I wish Santa Claus and Jesus would come. meet me for dinner. >> Well, look, both would be [laughter]. nice. This the latter is more likely I. think too at this point. You know, I had. a weird um thing. I don't know if you. saw this, but uh Ben Shapiro uh had he. made this video about like about Pierce. Morgan and and like going at him over. having me on on the show. And he went. and this whole thing and so he he says.

to me or or he said, you know, he. insults me a few times or whatever. And. then he goes, uh now I I can hear Dave. Smith right now. And his response to. this is debate me, bro. which fair. enough, that kind of is always my I only. have one tool in my toolkit. Like, >> right, >> come let's podcast about this. I don't. know. Like, this is what I do. I talk. >> But I'm willing to do that. >> He goes, "No." Uh because you're like, "So, uh" he said, "Because I won't I. don't debate such intellectually. dishonest people or something like. that," which I thought was a weird. criticism of me. Like, you could say I'm.

wrong, but I do believe the [ __ ] I say. >> Yeah. I don't think you're in the I. don't think in any. demonstration of any I don't think. there's a single moment that I could. point to that I think that you've been. intellectually dishonest. I think that. is like factually incorrect. >> Well, that's that is gaslighting. You. are very honest. You're a very honest. person. >> Thank you. I try to be. >> No, you are. It's one of the things I. love about you. You you're honest about. your fuckups. You're honest about your.

what you were incorrect about and what. bothered you. >> about things that you've said. You're. you're very honest. So that's a silly. thing to say. That's total gaslighting. >> Well, it's also Well, I look at it like. this and I don't you know, honestly, like obviously if Ben Shapiro wanted to. debate, I would I would do it. >> Everybody before. you go, dude, you can't say I'm beyond. the pale when you're known for debating. 19year-olds who are confused about their. gender. You know what I'm saying? Now, I don't know if you remember this. and this to me I I actually think is is. very interesting, but I don't know if.

you remember this, but on this show when. Ben was on years ago, and this, you. know, years before October 7th or. anything like that, but he was saying. some he was talking about Israel and his. defense for Israel and you went uh you. go, "That's interesting. Would you ever. debate someone, you know, who's a critic. of Israel?" And just generically, not. about a specific person. And he goes, "Absolutely. I'd be happy to do that.". And you know the thing about guys like. that is that particularly with Ben. Shapiro for the last two and a half. years his number one issue Israel has. been the number one topic of.

conversation. And in that time Israel. support has been bleeding. I mean just. like to a level you couldn't have. imagined. You couldn't have imagined two. and a half years ago to go this will be. a pro Palestinian country. That was. unthinkable. And it's become that. And. forget me. >> There's way better people than me. But. Ben Shapiro debated no one. He never. once had a conversation with a competent. critic of Israel and that listen, people. saw that. People noticed that. And so I.

I kind of in a weird way feel like it's. like, "Hey dude, I don't care if you do. the debate with me or not. I wish I. don't think we ever can. I wish there. would be a world where we could have a. good faith conversation like a guy with. me and Ben Shapiro." But he refused to. do it with anyone anyway. So, while. you're smearing everybody who's a critic. of Israel, you're not willing to like. you. Listen, there are some people who. don't debate, but he branded himself as. the debate guy, >> right? If you don't like Dave, sit down. with Scott Horton. >> Sure. Absolutely. Scott Horton's way. smarter than me and knows way more [ __ ]. than me anyway. So, talk to him about.

it, dude. >> You're saying that this is the reason. why you won't do it. That sounds crazy. because wouldn't you want to debate. someone who's intellectually dishonest? Because it would be so easy to refute. them with facts. >> Exactly. So, come. >> It would be perfect. It's like dating. It's like sparring a guy who knows fake. kung fu, >> you know, he thinks he's got a death. touch and you're Dustin Porier. You're. like, "Oh, yeah, bro. Lace the gloves. up. Let's go.". >> Well, that was kind of my thing with. with the Douglas Murray thing, too, where it was like at a certain point, you're like, "Dude, you can't just say. you're an expert and I'm not an expert.". The demonstrate that then that if that's.

the case, then it should be easy for you. to just shot me up in front of the world. right now. Some things that you had to. correct him on. >> Yeah. Yeah. He just got it wrong. And you. could see like the tremor in his eyes. like ah [ __ ] Like they don't want to. give up that ground because they're. playing a very different game. And the. game is not let's be intellectually. honest about what we think is going on. and what we think is good and bad about. what's going on versus I'm trying to. win. Yeah. And one of the ways I try to. win is by I can appeal to authority. You.

you're not an expert. >> You know, you're not a this. You're not. a professor. You don't you've never been. there. Yeah. That kind of [ __ ] That. that that is all like hack ass fake kung. fu moves. >> You know you're gonna try on Francis and. Ganu. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Like Okay. So, good luck with. that. >> You're saying you should not that I'm. comparing you to Francis. [laughter]. That's very disrespectful to Francis. >> Certainly not when it comes to fight. You much rather fight me. >> This Ronda Rousey card they got Francis. fighting Philip Lind. Philip Lind who's.

a light heavyweight at in the UFC and. the UFC cut him and he's fighting the. scariest heavyweight who's ever walked. the face of the earth. I mean prime time. >> next to prime time Alistister Overim. Prime time Alistister Overim when he was. Uber him I think is even scarier. >> I think because he was way skillful like. he was terrifying when he was on the. sauce. >> Yes. But even. Francis was a thing where Francis almost. has a thing where it just seems like you. you have to fight a perfect against him.

which Stipe Mio did his first fight. Their first he took a lot of shots. That's the thing about Stipe. Like Stipe. could take a shot. >> and you would see he would like jab him. and he'd be rocked, but he'd still get. the takedown and still and he exhausted. >> Skill. He beat him with skill, strategy, experience, everything. But in the. second one, DC said it best. He goes, "A. patient Francis is a [ __ ] terrifying. thing.". >> Dude, my favorite uh my favorite. commentary ever in a fight was uh when. when DC said it was just so hilarious to. me. It was so real. Like he just meant.

it. Yeah, >> it was when when Francis and Ganu fought. uh fought uh Gan. >> and he grappled a little bit in that. fight, which we had never seen him do. before, but there was one point where. there he was on the ground and he like. took his back or something like that. Like he passed his guard or he took his. back or something like that and DC just. goes, "Oh my god, he's doing jiu-jitsu. now." Like [laughter] it was like he was. speaking of a robot who just learned how. to feel feelings. He goes, "Oh my god, it's learning. It's advancing." Like. this is so terrifying.

A guy that's that much of a destroyer. that learns how to take backs and. strangle people too and control you from. the back and blast you unconscious like. he did with that dude in the PFL in his. last fight. Took his back and just. blasted him into the nether world. >> Yeah, that's that's scary. >> He's the scariest guy that's ever fought. in the UFC. Like I said, >> props to that dude for taking the fight. >> Natural clean guy. I should say that. with a captain. >> Fair enough. Fair enough. >> You know, cuz we only got a couple. Alistar Overim fights where he was Uber. and the big one being Brock Lesnar. >> That was the big one. And of course, the.

other fight on that card that they. added, which is huge, is the Nate Diaz. >> Well, here's here's my point. >> If Nate Diaz is fighting, I just I'm. paying whatever you're charging, I'm. going to be wherever it is. >> And it's Mike Perry who who bad. [ __ ] That's a great fight. But. my point is they also have Ro Bellis. Despain who's on the card who's a 6'7. Cuban taekwond do expert who's a. heavyweight, who's a knockout artist. Like, why didn't they have him? He's. fighting Junior Doss Santos and Junior. Doss Santos is you know he's.

>> it's he's had a he was an all-time great. but he had a long career and he's had. some bad knockouts. >> some wars too. >> bad wars the wars with Kane Velasquez. took years off his life. it was almost criminal that they. [snorts] didn't stop uh both of those. fights. >> well they were definitely horrible and. and terrible to watch but the point is. Roelis is huge he's a real heavyweight. he's a big giant knockout artist like. that would have been an interesting. fight versus Francis. big, super tall guy that's hard to hit. >> Yeah. >> And if it just is a striking fight, the.

problem with Roell is he got he got. exposed in his last UFC fight on the. ground. He got beat up on his ground. game's not that good. Could have gotten. better, but on the feet that's a little. bit more interesting to me than. Philillip. Although Philip's a skillful. fighter, you know, he's just he's used. to fighting at light heavyweight. The. UFC cuts him and now all of a sudden. he's fighting against Francis. Yeah, that's a little bit of a a mismatch, but. hey, I mean, you know, we've seen crazy. [ __ ] happen in MMA. Felipe, I think it's.

pronounced Felipe. Felipe Lind, but he's. a good fighter. I It's not It's not a. bad fight in that sense. But it's like. >> you're going up against a guy with a. chip on his shoulder that they're paying. $20 million. He's the lineal I don't. know what they're paying him. I'm just. guessing. But he's the lineal. heavyweight champion of the world, the. real one. Like, if you really like plot. it out, no one beat him for the title. That's a That's a crazy fight. It's like. that's how shallow the heavyweight. division out is outside of the UFC. There's so few fights for you to get.

Francis for. There's so few fights in. the UFC. I mean, the UFC's heavyweight. division is a a real mess. >> It's very hard to find gigantic men who. are excellent fighters. I guess. >> there's a lot in Russia, okay? There's. there's guys that are fighting in other. countries that are really good that are. coming up. It's just like it's hard to. get him over here. This Josh Hoit, he's. a bad [ __ ] That's that wrestler. dude who's crazy who has these crazy. speeches after the fight. Puts on an. American flag bandana.

>> and he said Brittney Grinder has a dick. Like [laughter]. Britney Grinder's a man. I forget what. he said, but he's just nuts. He's But. he's also like really smart about. marketing. >> Who's the other guy? You you talked. about him several times, but he's the. the Olympic wrestler guy. Uh. >> oh, Gabe. >> Gabe. Yeah, Gabe. >> Gable. Gable. He's Yeah, he's not in. yet, though. He's not in I had him on. the podcast. He's not in the UFC yet. When he's in the UFC, he's going to be a. [ __ ] problem. Olympic gold medalist, elite wrestler, moves like a cat, 250.

lbs, young, super dedicated, and just. recently learned striking and is [ __ ]. people up with his hands. >> Yeah. And is picking it up quite. quickly. >> And is a Jon Jones protege. So he's been. being mentored by the goat and absorbing. his mindset and help that guy's helping. him. He's investing his time into. training. If you're a young guy, you. know what a [ __ ] boost of confidence, the greatest of all time says you're. going to be the man. You're going to be.

the [ __ ] man. You just stick with. this plan and they're bringing him up. the right way. He fought in dirty. boxing. He fought some small MMA. organizations. He's just like building. up experience. >> Yeah. And there's not there's never been. a lot of but there's not really right. now in the heavyweight landscape. There. isn't really like a Frank Mir or uh um. what's his name? Um Minotaur uh. >> Noggera where there used to be these.

like guys who were like kind of known. for fighting off their back. You know. what I mean? Like most heavyweights. don't really like fighting off their. back. These even the guys who are really. good at jiu-jitsu. I also think just in. general fighting off your back is a lot. harder than it used to be. >> Over Doom was the greatest. >> Yes, that's a great examp. Um, but there aren't really that many. guys like that. A lot of these guys, you. take them down, >> they're in trouble. >> They're in trouble. >> Yeah. And when you got a guy like Gable, guess what, [ __ ]. >> You're going to get taken down. And. there's not a [ __ ] thing you can do. about it. That is a next level.

>> I just saw the one one of his recent. fights where he uh he he's finishing a. double leg before he realized he knocked. the guy out. But it seemed like. >> he KO him with a left hook and he's so. fast that as the guy's collapsing on the. way down. He shoots a double, connects, takes him to the ground while he's. unconscious. So before the guy has a. chance to drop, that's how fast he is. He's already on him taking him down and. pounds him out while he's already. unconscious. >> Yeah, that was scary. >> That guy's a problem. He's a problem. And that's an American heavyweight.

[ __ ] We need one of those. We. need some American champions. We're. down. >> Get him in the White House. >> Yeah. I mean, are there any American. champions right now? Who are the. American champions? Um, McKenzie Durn is. the strawweight champion, so she's. technically an American, although his. her dad is a very famous Brazilian. legend. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Megaton Diaz is is her dad and she. was a jiu-jitsu Brazilian jiu-jitsu. champion, but [snorts] she is American. >> So, she's a champion. Other than that,

who. >> Sean Strickland's fighting for the. title? Kayla Harrison. That's right. Kayla's. So, it's only women that are. the Americans. >> Yeah. Look at that. Boy, you're gonna. see a lot of those dudes with those. beards. >> They keep coming over here. You're going. to see a Oh, Joshua Van is an American. That's right. >> Um, you got to see a lot of those dudes. That's a caveat though, the Joshua Van. No disrespect for Joshua because I think. he's an awesome fighter, but he won that. fight. We got to have a rematch on that.

one. >> That was a freak injury. I mean, he fell. and dislocated his arm. It's a complete. freak injury. Um, and Pantosia still. hasn't fully recovered from that. So, it. was pretty bad. Whatever the [ __ ] They. said his shoulder dislocated and his. elbow. [snorts]. >> Yeah, I remember hearing that afterward. It looked like it was just his elbow. >> Uhhuh. But they said the doctor had said. it was his shoulder. And so what it what. the thing about the elbow is um the. elbow is a less complicated joint, right? And so when the elbow gets. dislocated, if someone just pulls on it,

it can pop back into place. So like. saying that there's as long they do know. what they're doing right because you. don't want to do it like Yuri Prohaska's. team did and rip his shoulder apart and. it needed surgery. You probably need. surgery anyway if it was dislocating. like that. It was probably loose. But. the point is that like his elbow might. have popped back into place by the time. they brought him backstage. And that's. when they realized his shoulder was. [ __ ] cuz his shoulder probably hurt. more even. >> Right. Right. >> That was unfortunate cuz that was a real. interesting fight. dislocate a lot, you.

know, and you know, sometimes people. dislocate their shoulders and don't even. realize they do. >> And I apparently, according to my the. this orthopedic surgeon that I went to. back in the day before I realized that. stem cells could fix it, uh this guy was. convincing me that I had to have. surgery. And one of the things he said, "Do you know that your shoulder's been. dislocated?" And I said, "It has?" He. goes, "You didn't know?" I go, "No." He. goes, "How long how many times you hurt. your shoulder?" I go, "How much time you. got?". just want to sit down and talk about how. many times I've been kamorid, how many.

times I've been [ __ ] arm blocked, how. many times I've been caught in a. triangle, how many times, you know, posting on the ground, I've jostled my. shoulder. The good news is there have. been no fracture or ligament injury. That's great. Oh, that's Bahumpa said. that. So, from that, we have great. expectations for his return, but the. exact time frame is still unknown. Still. needs a lot of physiootherapy, start. moving his arm. Wow. Then he can go back. to light training and then hard. training. Bro, we got to get that guy. down to [ __ ] the CPI in, you know,

the the Cellular Performance Institute. that the UFC uses. Get that dude down to. Tijana. >> I'm worried about I'm worried about the. new model for the UFC, >> the Paramount model. >> I'm worried about the Warren Iran and. the new UFC model. This is what keeps me. up at night. >> I get it. So, what are you worried about. with the new UFC model? >> Look, I I'm a I'm no genius. Um, but it. seems to me like I'm a hardcore fan of. the UFC, right? So, I was uh you know, I. order every pay-per-view, right? Everyone, you know, I and and so every.

any Saturday if I'm on the road in my. green room, we're watching the UFC. If. I'm not on the road, I'm either at home. watching it or I'm trying to go to the. event if it's in town, >> right? >> So, then uh it's like, okay, ESPN is is. over. Uh we're not doing that anymore. So, then they're go we're switching to. Paramount. Now, I already had Paramount. cuz like my kids like some shows on. Paramount. Yep. So, now. >> Land Man. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I I watch land great. show. >> Um so you know so like I have Paramount. Plus I'm like oh okay well that's easy. enough and then I I'm I'm like so wait a. minute hold on so you tell me I just get.

every one for free now I just don't have. to order pay-per-views anymore and. there's just something about that. Now. I'm not saying whether this is. Paramount's mistake or the UFC's mistake. or whatever. just like the the basics of. business to me. Go, >> so you just had a a loyal customer who's. very happy to pay for every pay-per-view. and I'm just not now. Like this just on. some Now I understand it's cuz Paramount. gave them a whole bunch of money, but on. some level I go, number one, I go, "But. how is this good for business if the.

customer no longer has to pay for a. thing that I was happily paying for?". >> Let me correct you. Okay, sure. First of. all, Paramount, the idea of doing this and investing $7. billion into the UFC over the next few. years, >> the the positive that they're going to. get from that with loyal new customers. is massive. So, if you're. >> introducing it to a whole new audience, >> if you're a loyal pay-per-view buyer, >> if you spend what is it 70 bucks for a.

pay-per-view, >> I think something like that. >> So, 70 bucks for this big time. pay-per-view card. Now you get it for. free. You just have to pay for Paramount. Plus every month for the year. You're. saving so much money. So the amount of. new people that are going to go, "Oh, this is awesome. I don't have to pay for. pay-per-view anymore. I pay for. Paramount Plus and I get all these. awesome shows, too." Cuz Paramount Plus. has a ton of shows. >> Great deal for the consumer. >> You get roped in through that and then. you go looking around on Paramount Plus.

and you stay a loyal subscriber. They. have all these years with this new. influx of viewers from the UFC deal to. build up more of a library, more shows. It's huge for business. Okay, fair. enough. >> They could take their [clears throat]. app from where it is now and take their. streaming model from where it is now and. quadruple it over the next x amount of. years. >> So they're Okay, so for them they're. bringing in the whole UFC audience. >> And how many people would look at a. pay-per-view card and look, I would buy. every one of them. Even when I was. working for the UFC, I would go on ESPN.

Plus and I would buy them. Even though I. was there, I was like, I want to be able. to watch it in the gym when I get home. I'm going to buy it. >> And so, you've got all these people that. were looking at those cards that were. like, this one, I don't know. >> I don't know if that's worth 70 bucks. If you're on a budget and you're looking. at this one, you're like, who's. fighting? Ah, >> nah. I'm going to pass on this one. I'll. watch it, you know, in a couple weeks on. ESPN Plus because you could just wait a. few weeks. I don't know how long the.

time frame is, but you can wait a few. weeks and you watch it. >> This you don't have to do that anymore. It's 10 bucks a month. What is Paramount. Plus a month? How much does it cost? >> I think they upped it to maybe 12 or 13, but I'm not. >> Let's find out so we're accurate. But. you're saving so much money. But also on. ESPN, they charged you something like. that, too. Like you had to pay an ESPN. fee and then you had to pay for each. individual pay-per-view. So, no, listen. I'm saving a lot of money off this. >> Okay. $ 13.99 a month or $139 a year for.

the ad free premium plan which includes. Showtime. New and former subscribers can. currently get any monthly plan for $2.99. a month for the first two months. >> It's not bad. >> Oh, for So, for a new subscriber, you. could try it out for two months for. $2.99 a month and watch every UFC for. $2.99 a month for two months. It's. [ __ ] worth it. And then you're going. to get this huge influx of people that, you know, if you're on a budget, you're. not going to subscribe to Paramount. Plus. You already got Netflix. Netflix. costs X amount of money. Maybe you got.

HBO Max. That's X amount of money. Okay. I can't afford Paramount, too. I don't. want to pay another 10 bucks a month or. $14 a month. Now, you just It's easy. Like, no pay-per-views. >> Yeah. They made they made a lot of wives. of hardcore fans happy. I'm sure for. that like I don't have to buy these. pay-per-views anymore. Yeah, they get. the Paramount shows and uh they don't. have to do that. All right, fair enough. I guess it's just um. >> in some ways I guess and I don't really. have much of a mind for business, but in. some ways there's just a thing where. it's like we've always done it this way.

now. We're doing it a whole new way. >> Yeah. But it's been on streaming for the. last few years. >> Yeah. >> So, it's always been on an app anyway. And then Paramount, you could get it on. Apple TV, you can get it on Android TV, you can get it on all these different. things. It's like there's no reason to. not have it. >> It's easy. It's just great for as a. business move for Paramount. It was a. smart [ __ ] move because you get this. built-in hardcore fan base. Now, have. some of the cards been lackluster? Yes. But guess what? That has always been the.

case. A matter of time. You watch Rose. Nama versus Carlo Esparza. There's been. some fights back in the day that just. weren't great. >> And there's been cards that. >> even though they look good on paper, in. reality, they weren't so fun. Yeah, but. I also I'm I'm with you. Uh because I. remember you used to say this back in. the day all the time, but I I am like a. purist fan in in MMA in the sense that. like all of that is like I don't care. like like feel like oh it's boring. You're like it's the most exciting sport.

in the world on its worst day. Even in a. fight that's a bad fight because you if. you remember the uh um Frank Mir Crocop. is a good example of this where it was. just a boring fight the entire fight and. then there's a spectacular knockout at. the end of it. And even if that doesn't. end up happening, you're always watching. like that could happen at any moment. I. also uh I also am with you. I I believe. in like uh I don't believe in standups. >> I don't think anyone should ever be. stood up. I don't think you should be. separated for stalemate or whatever. It's like if someone puts you in that. position, then. >> yeah, you got to get up. If they're not.

doing enough on the top, that's silly. >> Sean Ali explains why piracy led to the. UFC's massive Paramount deal. Oh, interesting. >> There's a lot of people that'll pay for. it every week, but there's a lot of. people that won't. That makes sense. They're streaming it illegally. That. makes sense. I knew there was a lot of. that because there were sites that you. could go to and people would openly talk. about it. You can go to it and just. watch the pay-per-view. It's a good. move, dude. It's a good move for for the. business. It's just like they just need. a few banger cards to make people forget.

about the stale ones. >> But that always that will happen. It's. inevitable. >> You're going to have stale cards. I'm. concerned about the White House fight. I'm concerned about it not just from a. security standpoint. I'm concerned about. it because it's outside. It's June and. it's in Washington DC. When you if it's. hot out and it could very well be like. what's the average temperature? >> I looked this up the other day. Uh. average 67% humidity in last year or. 2024 was 100° on June 14th. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> That's tough. [laughter]. >> Okay. >> And I think it's supposed to be at noon.

also. >> Yeah, that's that's an issue. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. That's a [ __ ] big. problem, dude. That's a big problem. You. are going to radically affect their. performance if you make people fight in. 100 degree temperature with 67% humidity. outside. >> You're also going to radically affect my. ability to do commentary. [laughter]. Okay? My [ __ ] head doesn't have any hair. The top of my head is going to be beat. red. I'm going to have to put some toxic. sunscreen on it. [laughter] You're going. to see me with that white zinc powder. that the surfers use on their nose.

It'll be all over the I I'll make like. fake hair with like white zinc. Dude, my. [snorts] head's going to get. 80% chance of thunderstorms. [clears throat]. with highs in the mid 80s. >> Okay. Are they building a tent? Is this. outside outside or is it outside in a. tent? Are they going to have like fans. blowing cold air on us? You know how. much DC's going to complain? That. [ __ ] dude, he's going to be right. next to me. His shirt's going to be. soaked. >> Yeah, that's a. >> You won't be able to tell with mine cuz. I always wear black anyway. But. everybody with a white shirt or a blue.

shirt, if Anak has a light blue shirt. on, his pits are going to be [ __ ]. filled up with sweat. It's going to be. ridiculous. >> That also like really legitimately. changes the actual fight itself. >> 100%. >> Isn't that like the rendering of it? I. think. >> Okay, so there I don't see any AC there, bro. How you going to get AC on those. people? What is that going to be like? That sounds [ __ ] insane to do that in. June just cuz that's a fun time to do. it. I mean, if I was Justin Gatechi or I. was Ilia Toporia, if I was Justin. Gatechi, I mean, first of all, he has to.

take the fight. It's a historic fight. It's at the White House. He's a He's a. true red-blooded American. He wants to. win the title at the White House. >> Come on, you have to do it. But. >> he's 37 years old. He's had a long. career and he's fighting maybe the most. lethal guy he's ever faced. Yeah. the. the one guy out of all the guys he faced. that can shut the [ __ ] lights out. with one shot every time. His last three. fights is the craziest resume in the.

history of the sport. Knocks out. Alexander Vulcganowski, knocks out Max. Holloway, knocks knocks out Charles. Olivera. Two at featherweight, one at. lightweight. All of them level. I I. wouldn't even say well I guess it's. debatable but certainly you could make. an argument the two best featherweights. of all time. >> Yes. >> And one of the greatest. >> one of the greatest lightweights of all. time. And by the way and I know MMA math. is never perfect but you look at what. Olivivera just did to Max Holloway who I.

love is one of my favorite fighters of. all time. You look at what what Charles. Olivera just did to Max Holloway and. then you think about the way Ilia Tapora. handled him. >> flatlined him in the first round. >> and not what was to me almost as. impressive as the knockout was um. >> handling him on the ground. Yeah. >> Pass his guard. He tried to take him. down. Think about the way he got one of. those body locks and tried to take him. down. Think about the way how helpless. Max Holloway was for that. How helpless. a whole bunch of guys we've seen are. when he gets his hands around you. And.

Ilia Tapora, he tried to do that. He. ends up on top and passes his guard. right away. Also, he ate a really clean. elbow early in that fight and just was. like nothing. Like I mean, >> shook it off like it was nothing. He's. he's a special talent. So, but then. again, when you are dealing with special. talents and great great fighters like. Justin, who this is probably his last. opportunity to fight for the title. >> I want that under the perfect. conditions. I want that to be in an. arena where it's 72° and air.

conditioned. I I don't want it to be. outside. I don't want there to be any. additional stress or distractions. because you're warming up at the White. House. Like, what do you have tents with. mats on them and these guys are going to. be slipping around in puddles of sweat. >> or shadow boxing in the situation room. before you come out? >> Who's going to slip on sweat and blow. their ACL out? You know, I mean, have. you ever done striking on mats when a. bunch of dudes have been training like. in a class? It's so [ __ ] slippery, man. It's If it's that hot, it's going.

to Unless they have it these mats and. where they're getting set up in air. conditioned buildings somewhere. Unless. they have a facility. >> Yeah, maybe they can do that. >> I hope they think that through. I hope. they think that through. I hope they. prepare it. It's just I don't like I I. like the idea that it's like this big. celebration of the UFC that the. president loves the UFC so much he wants. to do it at the White House. But in. practice, I don't like it at all because. you've got two world titles. You know, you've got the interim heavyweight world.

title and then you've got this world. title with Justin and Ilia at 55. I. don't like it. I want those I want those. to be at the T-Mobile. I want those to. be at the Madison Square Garden Arena. I. want, you know, I want those to be. somewhere dope. The TD Garden in Boston. Put it Put it in a [ __ ] real arena. where it's airond conditioned. Damn it. These are amazing fights. I don't want. anybody fighting when it's 100° outside. >> That's crazy. >> Wouldn't and correct me if I'm wrong, but also I would think it's you're going.

to get sweaty so quick in weather like. that. And that is a big deal for like. grappling and stuff like that. I mean, like that's a huge advantage if you're. trying to not get grappled by someone. >> Here's another factor. These are people. that just were radically dehydrated 24. hours ago. And then you're asking them. to compete in a sauna. You're basically. asking them to fight in a sauna. >> That is still so crazy to me that. there's not a way that we can just get. two guys who weigh 180 lbs to fight at.

180 lb and instead instead we have to. have two guys who weigh 180 lb cut down. to 150 lb and then rehydrate up to 180. pounds to fight at 180 pounds. >> and weaken themselves like radically. weaken themselves. I see those guys the. day they weigh in. The worst ever that I. ever saw was Travis Lutter. >> So Travis Anderson Silva, I remember. >> he missed weight, but I was backstage. for all of it. Right. So this was back. when the weigh-ins were the time of the.

actual weigh-ins. It wasn't the. ceremonial weigh- in. Like now they give. them more time. You can weigh in in the. morning and then by the ceremonial. weigh-ins, which is usually 5:00 p.m. Usually these guys have significantly. rehydrated. They do it slowly, but they. have a process to it. Uh, but Travis. missed weight and so I was backstage. while they gave him x amount of time to. make the weight and dude he couldn't. walk. He was shuffling. Shuffling like. he couldn't pick his legs up. His lips. were cracked. His face was draw. He. looked like he was going to die. He.

looked like a guy who had been. shipwrecked, you know, and like lost at. sea and just drinking his own piss for a. week and they finally rescued him. That's what it looked like. >> Well, he was dying, I guess, right? I. mean, that is what you're looking at. And then 24 hours later, he has to fight. the greatest middleweight of all time. He has to fight Anderson [ __ ]. Silva in his prime. >> And by did for that being the story did. remarkably well in the fight. I he got. viciously uh he was elbowed in the. triangle. Yeah. Yeah. It was hard.

>> That would not have happened if Travis. wasn't compromised. Travis was a real. problem back then. Yeah, he was the best. jiu-jitsu guys to ever compete in MMA. >> and he was stylistically kind of like. the best shot against Anderson Silva at. that time and cuz Anderson Silva just. looked untouchable and he got him down. and got him into good positions a few. times. >> even though he was [ __ ] from the. weight cut. But the thing was he never. made the weight. So even if he beat him, he wouldn't have got the title. The. whole thing was [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> But it's like I've advocated for there's. a solution. One of them is multiple.

weight classes that are additional to. what we have. have one at least every 10. lbs and it probably should be more. And. a lot of people push back against that, but listen, 10 lb for an elite athlete. is a big [ __ ] deal. 20 lb is crazy. So when you go like 85 to 205, that's. crazy. That's too much weight. It's too. much of a gap. You could have multiple. champions in between those weight. classes and it's just better for the. sport overall. You've got more. champions. You have more champion versus.

champion matchups you can make. Well, there's it also first of all, it's very. unhealthy and and dangerous, and that's. the biggest issue. But then it also. makes it a thing where it's like now. there's there's two factors. It's not. just who's the best fighter, it's also. who's the best at dehydrating. themselves, losing a ton of weight and. rehydrating themselves. And also, I. think like I've heard I've heard GSP say. before that like some people are just. naturally better at that. Some people. just fluctuate in weight more. people. can lose a lot of weight and then gain.

it all back the other day. And he used. to always say, "I just can't do that.". Like, I'm not a guy who can do that. But. I think all of us, we just want to see. who the best fighter is. Exactly. We. don't care about who's the best at. dehydrating. >> Anything that hampers your ability. should be removed from the equation, especially if it's something like this. But there's a solution. First of all, there's a real silliness to the MMA. weight classes. And why I say silliness, our names that we use have been owned by. boxing for more than a hundred years. And the names that we use are for.

different weight classes than boxing. uses. >> That's dumb. >> Yeah, >> that is dumb as [ __ ] Like if you want. to have a 170 lb champion, fantastic. But don't call it a welterweight because. welterweight is 147. It's been 147 for. over a hundred [ __ ] years. The fact. that you have a 147 champion and you. call that or 145 champion, you call that. a featherweight. >> Featherweight is 126. That's what it's. been in boxing forever. Lightweight has. always been 135. That's what Julio Cesar.

Chavez was the champ of 135. >> 135. Lightweight is 155 in the UFC. Like, come up with your own names. Why. do we still have these stupid names? >> I never thought about that. It's a good. point. They attached these names to it. when they first started developing. weight classes because it used to just. be one weight class. Another one on. this. Why, and I think you've mentioned. this before. Why am I not getting the. leg reach? >> They do that sometimes. >> Do they? Yeah, they do. >> I've seen like but on the regular tail. of the tape it'll still just be reach.

where it's like but in this cuz that. actually for MMA that's such a huge. deal. >> Sure. >> Like it's such a hu cuz like if you're. Yeah. if you're in kicking range of me, but you know what I mean? But you can't. touch me. Your jab doesn't matter as. much as in boxing, you know? >> And some guys, they have really long. legs for their torso. And like my my. friend Larry, my friend Larry Jones from. my taekwondo days, he had this short. torso. >> What is this? >> Aldo's leg reaches longer than Stipe. >> Whoa. That's crazy.

>> Is that right? >> That's crazy. Stipe just has a way. longer torso. That's nuts. >> That's crazy. Like the hips tip are the. same size. >> Oh wow. That's crazy. Well, Aldo was. such a good kicker. It's probably part. of the reason why. >> Um, my friend Larry had this short. torso, like really short to, but he was. like 6'3 and he was all legs and he was. this insane kicker. He was like a freak. Like he was made in a lab. And when guys. would fight him, like you'd see guys in. tournaments fight him, they'd be like, "What the [ __ ] am I going to do with. this?" Cuz his reach was so nuts and he. was so fast with his kicks and you.

couldn't get anywhere close to him if. you were in his weight class and you. were normally built, right? He was built. like his torso was shorter than mine, but his crazy long legs and long arms. >> Yeah. >> Like some people are just built certain. ways and for striking it's a giant. problem which is another thing that. makes Ilottopia so [ __ ] unbelievably. impressive. He's not tall at all. >> Yeah. >> You know, and he's just flatlining. people. >> Oh, I mean Charles Olivera looked so. much bigger than him in that fight. >> and so much bigger than Max, too. Olive.

is big. It's like, look, the sport's. fine. It's not It's not in trouble. The. sport's not in trouble. The heavyweight. division is in trouble. The heavyweight. division is kind of [ __ ] It's in a. weird situation. The Alex Pereira thing. is very interesting. Alex Pereira versus. Sir Gone is very, very, very interesting. cuz Sirill Gan is a problem. That guy's. a problem. He's super athletic. He's. really fast. He's super skillful with. his striking. His Muay Thai is. absolutely elite. and he does a lot of.

things different than what a lot of. people do. >> And has anyone because even Francis, like I was saying before, grappled with. him a lot in that fight. Obviously, Jon. Jones took him down and choked him. But. has anyone really stood toe-to-toe and. beat him up? >> No. No. No one's beat him up to toe. Tied to Iasa went toe to toe with him. and tried to, but he got lit up. >> Dude, serial gone is a problem. >> Even in the little bit in the little bit. of Tom Aspenol, it looked like he's. tough. He's tough to fight like that, man. >> Not just tough, he was like getting off.

on Aspenol and it didn't look good for. Aspenol. I mean, it's very unfortunate. that he got his eyes poked that I mean. that we really never got to see what. happens if he drags cereal deep deep. water. What the way Tom would adjusted. for the second round or third round, >> which we've never really seen out of Tom. either. It was very interesting. We got. robbed of that, you know, but. >> we got robbed of that. And poor Tom, he's had two [ __ ] eye surgeries and. then he felt like the UFC disrespected. him. The whole thing's a mess. Well, I. don't know about the UFC, but a lot of. fans did disrespect him. I saw that, >> which is crazy. This is like, this is.

really stupid. >> We talked about this last night. It. should be one point, period. If you poke. somebody in the eyes, if you poke. someone in the eyes, one point. >> Well, especially if the fingers go in. the eyes. If it's like a glancing thing. like that, maybe get a warning. But in a. nutshot, straight nutshot, one point. The glancing thing, maybe a warning. I. think that could be up to the judge's. discretion upon view of the replay. >> Yeah. Well, I the thing is that and we. were talking about this last night. If. you So, if you land a a nutshot and it's.

it's accidental as it almost always is, you know what I mean? You're trying to. throw an inside leg kick and it comes. up. Well, okay. Maybe not. I said almost. almost always. Uh, but so I just see. this all the time in MMA. It's the first. one. It was an accident. This guy gets. kicked in the nuts. He needs a few. minutes. Usually, they don't take the. full uh five or whatever they're. offered. And then you just go back. It's. like, look, even if it was an accident, that's such an advantage to the guy who. who kicked him in the groin.

>> You hurt this guy and now he's got to. get back to it. And there's no So, like. it does seem like there almost has to be. some accounting for that. And there's I. think there's still it's still a very. young sport. I think there is still too. much referee discretion. Like there's. too much like there should be like an. official rule for what we do in this. situation. Not just. >> those kind of fouls. It's like doesn't. exist in basketball, right? If somebody. fouls somebody in basketball and. everybody sees it, that that's a foul. Yes. Right. And the the crowd will go. nuts. Right. Usually. But it be like a.

real one like throwing someone to the. ground. >> I could show you examples. There are. some [ __ ] wild things that don't get. called for whatever. >> Don't you think that's a little bit of. the the corrupt referees. I'm not saying. all of them, but that that is one thing. that's been 100% proven is that referees. do get paid off in order to influence. gambling lines. >> Yeah. There was that one referee who uh. who confirmed that it was the um the um. she's Sacramento Kings versus the. Lakers, which was like a series that was.

like notoriously like everyone was like, "Yo, it was crazy. They didn't call any. of these fouls on the Lakers." And they. called all these fouls. And then a ref. came out and was like, "Oh yeah, yeah, that's weird." And it does kind of make. sense. Um because it was the it was the. Shack and Kobe Lakers. You got to get. them in the finals, dude. It was big. money. >> God, that's so gross. His defense. weirdly was like, "They didn't, no one. told us what to do, but you kind of know. what they want, so you sort of do it.". And then you keep kept going put on good. games and you keep getting the good. stuff. >> Hang them. [laughter].

>> Public hanging. [ __ ] you. >> But we can deal We can deal with. Congress's insider trading. But. basketball must be a. >> bad judges. Hang them. Hang them all in. front of the kingdom. >> All right, dude. Uh, anything else. before we wrap this up? >> Uh, no. Thank you for letting a. non-expert talk MMA with you. I love I. love talking to non-experts, [laughter]. >> dude. Thank you so much for everything. as always. Pleasure, brother. You're the. [ __ ] man. I love you. >> You're the [ __ ] man, too. I love you, too. >> Uh we'll have fun tonight, right? >> Uh I You coming? You leaving? Right.

>> A damn. Last night was fun, though. >> That was a lot of fun. It was a lot of. fun. It was a good time. >> All right. Bye, everybody. [music]. >> [music].