Joe Rogan Experience #2470 - Pierre Poilievre

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> We're up. >> How are you, sir? Pleasure to meet you. >> It's great to be here. Thanks for having. me. Great to be back in Texas. >> I'm glad we finally did this. >> Yes, me too. >> I wanted to do it the first go around. >> Yeah, I know. Uh well, when I got the. invitation, we were in the middle of the. election and we just don't leave the. country during election campaigns. >> I get it. And uh the problem we've had.

is we can't get you to come to Canada. >> And so uh we've actually hatched a full. strategy to get you into Canada cuz we. think it's going to do big things for. our tourism numbers. So do you mind if I. present you with something right out of. the gate? >> Sure. >> All right. This is uh. >> this is from a gunsmith and machinist in. Calgary, Alberta. His name is Jay, and. he's designed uh. >> Look at this kettle bell. Guess what the. weight is? >> Uh 70 pounds. >> 70 pounds. That's the That's the weight. you cabinet. It says on the front here,

Jamie, it says here on the front, Jamie, pull it up. So, we've got that. We've. got uh you see here some other stuff. Uh. for a stand. >> Oh, that's really cool. >> Look at this stand here. So, we've got. seeing is believing, which I think was. the slogan of the first UFC that you. were the commentator for. I think it was. number 13. >> 12. >> Number 12. Right. And then we've got. here your favorite quote from um. what's his name? The Japanese uh martial.

artist. >> Yes. And it says, >> "If you know the way broadly, you will. see it in everything.". >> So that's here. And then Morris code. There's a thank you letter for you. And. we've got. >> you've got your flying saucer. >> And we've got your logo here, too. So, but most important of all, >> we've got a subliminal message, which is. the Canadian maple leaf. >> Oh. Every time you do a kettle bell. swing, you do a snatch, you do a clean, you're going to be seeing that maple. leaf and you're going to be reminding.

yourself that you need to come back to. Canada. >> All right. >> All right. I'll present that to you. there. >> Thank you very much. >> Go on there, too. >> Very cool. >> Is that in the way, Jamie? >> I can take it off. >> We'll take it off. >> Put it down. >> So, uh, >> I saw your I saw your, uh, interview. with Pavle. And I'm a I'm a big. kettlebell freak. >> Are you really? >> Yeah, absolutely. And I started. researching him after you had him on and. I was trying to I love history. So. >> I was thinking why did the Russians come.

up with this? And uh it it turns out. they used it as a counterweight at the. farmer markets. So they would say, you. know, you come in, you have to say this. is how much potatoes you're buying. But. instead of trying to do it by eyeball, they would put what is now kabel on one. side of the scale and then the produce. on the other. And then at the farmers. expeditions, you had these big Russian. farmers who want to show how strong they. were. So they would pick them up and do. all kinds of um displays with them. And. then then the Russian army took it on,

the Soviet army took it on. And then. that's where Pavle picked it up and then. brought it over the Atlantic and uh. introduced it to America. >> Wow, that's crazy. So it was just. accidental that they made this very. functional tool for fitness. Yeah, it. was the it was just you'd go to a. farmers market, you want to buy some. barley or some potatoes, but you don't. know if you're actually getting the real. weight. So, they'd have a scale, a. balancing scale, and they put the kettle. bell on one side and the produce on the. other, and then you knew you got the. right amount. And then, of course, they.

have these big farmers um farm fairs, and they're showing off their their. horses and their cattle and stuff, and. they want to do strength displays. So. these farmers are throwing these things. around and the Russian military picked. it up and then the Soviets of course. took over and they took it on and then. Pavle I think he was a Bellar Russian. though if I'm not mistaken Pavl. >> and he brought it over to uh North. America but uh the ancient Chinese did. it as well. You got uh really yeah the. ancient Chinese the Shaolin monks have.

used them but they didn't do it with. cast iron. They had theirs were sort of. a concrete a concrete block and uh they. they did it for strength training as. well. >> Oh wow. Little history. >> Yeah. So I'm a big kettlebell freak. I I. love it. And uh I really I started to. study what Powell's teaching. I wanted I. think he has an accreditation or. something. If I ever get time I might. take it. >> Yeah. Strong first. Yeah. That's his uh. organization. >> And you're doing you have a whole. program. I think you you do clean to. press and then. >> Yeah. I do a bunch of different things.

squats, overhead squat and all that. >> It's a great functional tool just for. your whole body, >> right? >> You know, it's really one of the best. pieces of exercise equipment I think. I've ever found. >> Yeah. I think he calls it a a cannonball. on a handle. Um and uh the thing I like. about it is the it's like a cat. catapult. Like it all of the lift is in that that. instant where it flips over your hand. >> and uh the original ones. Wow, that's. crazy.

That's so interesting. So, the handle. was just to pick it up and carry it. around. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> That had a real functional use. >> Well, it's just amazing how good it is. for a piece of exercise equipment that. was accidentally designed that way. >> Absolutely. And uh I think it's far. superior to uh to a dumbbell exercise. because there's no uh a dumbbell you got. a you get a consistent lift, but that's. not real life. If you're in a fight or. you have to pick something up heavy, it.

doesn't lift consistently. It's it's. explosive in that small range and you. know when you're doing a snatch, by the. time you get up to your shoulder, the. thing's weightless because the catapult. the catapult effect has taken over and. now it's actually negative weights. lifting your hand up in the air if. you're doing it right. But like if. you're in a fight or if you're in a. wrestling match or you're you're trying. to push really hard against a heavy. object, it's all about explosive power. and that's what kettle bells give rather. than just this sort of uh freeze and.

contract thing that you do with with. dumbbells. >> Have you always been a workout guy? >> Yeah, look, I I was um big into sports. until my mid- teens. I was on the. wrestling team. I wasn't great. I was. good, but I wasn't great. Um then I got. a a wicked uh tendinitis in my shoulder. >> and it ended my athleticism for like. four years and that's how I got into. politics. I was so bored. I got get home. from school I had nothing to do. >> so I took I told my mother. >> tendinitis got you into politics? >> Yeah that's what it was. I just couldn't.

get rid of it. Like I every time I. thought I had it beat I'd go in and I'd. train and it would be full of. inflammation. No one could do anything. about it. And so I was like bored out of. my mind and I said to my mom like, you. know, you go to these local meetings. with the conservative association, like. take me to that because I'm going crazy. And. >> that's nuts. Yeah. So that So what what. what were you interested in when you. first went there? Like we just. didn't like the way things were running. Like what what was it about it that got.

you so curious? Well, I grew up in a suburban. neighborhood in south south end of. Calgary. You know, my folks were. teachers. I was adopted. My mom was a. 16-year-old on she she was a obviously a. single mom. She put me up for adoption. to two school teachers. There was. electricians and oil workers and police. officers lived on our street. Normal, hardworking, good folks. And I always. grew up with the impression they were. getting screwed over and that um the. government didn't listen to people like.

them. didn't listen to people who grew. up on streets like ours. And living in. Western Canada, there was a greater. sense of that. We called it Western. alienation at the time. And there was. this guy, kind of a quirky guy, but a. really brilliant guy named Preston. Manning. And I saw this billboard of him. and he had his fist up and it said. enough. And I said, "Yeah, I like that. guy." So I got involved in politics and. I started reading about different. things. I start I read a biography on. Fidel Castro and then I read.

>> Justin's dad. No, no, no. Not Justin's. dad, right? No, no, no, no. His dad was. Pierre. His dad was Pierre. His dad was. Pierre. I had issues with Pierre. Trudeau, too, because. >> it's a great conspiracy theory, though. >> Well, it is a hell of a I don't think. it's a true one, though. his dad is. >> unfortunately. >> his his dad um was very controversial. where I grew up because he did a lot of. damage to the oil sector and we're from. oil country and so that was one of the. things that I felt kind of resentful. about the national government and one of. the reasons I got involved is because.

the west deserved a fairer deal and uh. but I read a lot of books like you know. Milton Freriedman capitalism and freedom. and and I came to to to develop a. philosophy based on just maximizing. personal financial, religious freedom, let people make their own decisions. And. that that animated me to get involved in. politics and fight for that, and I've. been doing it ever since. >> Wow. That's a fascinating transition. from wrestling and tendonitis, getting.

deeply involved in politics. >> Yeah. I mean, like, you know, you're a. sports guy. If you had suffered an. injury that took you out of taekwond do. when you were young and you you simply. couldn't compete at anything, you'd. probably be looking for some other. adventure. >> Yeah, that's how it was. >> Well, we're lucky that stem cells. weren't around back then or you never. would have gotten into politics. >> That's right. I would have been a. wrestler. I don't know if I would have. won any awards, but uh but yeah, that. that was how I got started and and I got.

very active very quickly. I got my first. internship making 600 bucks a month. uh. when I was uh 16 or 17 years old and uh. would you know take uh two trains and a. bus and an hour and 45 minutes each way. But I was so thrilled. My dad bought me. a used suit and a used pair of shoes. And I thought this I'm this is so. incredible. I'm an important guy. I wear. dress shoes. I wear I wear a tie. Didn't. matter that the tie was bad bought from. some dead guy whose family had sold it. to a a used store. But uh that was my.

start and I loved it. Well, uh, I'm really excited to have you. in here because I've seen you speak. multiple times and you're a very. reasonable, intelligent person. That. makes a lot of sense. And that is that. is a rare thing in politics. And I love. Canada. Like I I just say I don't go up. there anymore, but it's because I I I. think the government went horribly wrong. over the last, you know, x amount of. years. But the people are amazing. It's.

like I was always I've always said that. Canada has like it's like America with. like 20% less [ __ ]. Like every time I would go up there like. people are so nice. They're they're like. the nicest people. And I think that's. part of what went wrong for Canada is. that people are rule followers and you. know they're trusting and kind people. and you know this wolf in sheep's. clothing snuck in and you know was. pretending he was a sweet guy and. passing all these crazy laws and just.

when we saw what happened with COVID. with just with what happened with the. truckers and people's accounts getting. shut down for donating to the truckers. Like the whole thing was so concerning. because it's our Canada was like a part. of America almost. I mean, you're a. different country, but it's like you. used to be able to go over there with. just a driver's license, you know? It. was like it was such a cool place to I. started going to the Montreal Comedy. Festival in like 1993. I loved it up.

there. It's like one of my favorite. places. >> Just for laughs. >> Yeah. >> Good. How's your French? >> Not good. >> Okay, we'll work on that. We'll get you. some French lessons. >> It's terrible. Well, I don't know any. French words. My wife is learning. French, though. It's interesting. She's. got this app that she's learning French. Um, but it's just an amazing place. It's. It's a great country. And, um, to see it. go the way it's been going and sliding. the way it's been happening over the. last, you know, x amount of years,

there's just so many things that concern. me. You know, one of the things that. really concerns me is this um, assisted. suicide thing. that one in 20 deaths in. Canada is now assisted suicide. That's. insane. >> Well, listen, my my view is that people. should have the choice, but uh the. concern we have is the suggestion that. it would be offered to kids or offered. to people whose only condition is me. mental illness, >> right? >> I don't agree with that. My concern as. well, I mean, if someone's got a.

terminal, like a good friend of mine. >> went to Oregon to end his life because. he had ALS, but I mean, he was gone. I. mean, he could barely talk at the end of. his life. His name is Michael Lair. He. was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great. guy, >> right? >> And. >> it was horrible. I mean, watching him. fade away and he wanted to go out on his. own terms. So, he went to Oregon for. assisted suicide. I mean, there's a. place for it. Yeah, >> but I mean there was a kid recently in. Canada and he did it for seasonal.

depression. >> You I'm sure you're aware of that case. >> Like who who allowed that to happen? Who. didn't counsel this young guy? Who. didn't give him a hug? Who didn't tell. him about diet and exercise and changing. your surroundings, your lifestyle and. just do something, right, >> to give you some hope and happiness? Like seasonal depression? Really? You're. going to end your life, this beautiful. life on this planet for seasonal. depression. That's. >> that's why we have to do more to give. people hope when they're suffering with. mental illness. Yes. You know, give.

people the the sense that they can take. back control of their lives. Uh I think. we do have to promote fitness more. because it gives people it turns them. into a subject that controls their their. surroundings rather than an object being. controlled. It teaches people to that. that hardship is temporary and that the. aftermath is positive. And uh and we. have to give people reinstill people. with a sense of meaning when they're. going through hardship rather than than. to say that it's all over. And uh you. know I think uh we have to our system.

needs to be geared towards giving people. all the best options to live on rather. than just suggesting maid as the as the. easy as the as the automatic path for. the system to impose on people. So, uh, one of the things our party is pushing. for is to make clear that public. servants who are getting phone calls. from people who are in need of help for. something. They shouldn't be offering. that. They shouldn't be offering. People. can seek it out if they want, but when.

you're calling up saying, "I'm poor or. I'm struggling or I'm having a mental. illness or I've got an injury." Uh, we. shouldn't have a a government worker. saying, "Well, consider maid." Well, the. the unfortunate thing is that any. organization that gets formed. >> wants to grow and you get financial. incentives. >> and then you hire more people and then. it gets bigger and then what do you have. to do? Well, you have to keep doing what. you're doing. What are you doing? You're. killing people. So, you're going to kill.

more people because you're actually. financially incentivized to put more. people through this program and end. their lives. >> That's that's very sad. So I think we. have to get to get to a point where. people have the freedom to make their. own decisions but they also have hope. that there is an option for them and. that's what we're trying. >> pathway you know and like the exercise. thing is not just give them you know. control of their life. It makes them. happier. It's it's it show there's been. studies that show it's much more. effective than anti-depressants. >> Absolutely. Well, it's the first of. there's the phys physiological side.

which affects the brain, but it's also. the sensation of discomfort that you. push through knowing that you have to. focus on the thing you have to do. And. uh that I think it helps us in anything. we're encountering whether you're going. through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an. injury or an illness if you know that. pushing through to the other side. because you've got a meaning there that. can give people hope for for for a. better life. You know my favorite. psychologist is u Victor Frankle Victor.

Frankl and he developed this um logos. treatment which was basically giving. people a sense of meaning. He survived. the Holocaust in the concentration camp. because he had a sense of meaning that. he wanted to his book was stolen from. him in the concentration camp about this. this theory and he wanted to live on so. he could survive and write that book. And then he found his in his teaching. that it wasn't so much people's. circumstances that determined their. happiness. It was whether they had a.

meaning in life. And he tells this. incredible story of a group therapy. session where he had this very rich. woman who was married to a very rich. man. And he had next to him another lady. who was living in terrible poverty. She'd lost a son and had a second. severely disabled son. And he said to. both them, "What will your life look. look like when you're 80 years old and. you're on your deathbed?" And the the. wealthier lady said, "Well, I will look. back and think that while I had some fun. and enjoyed the simple the the the. luxuries of being very wealthy and.

having an easy life that there wasn't a. lot of meaning to it." And whereas the. mother who was struggling with a. disabled child and had lost another one. said, "Well, I gave my first child a. great life, a short one, but a great. one. I struggled to give my disabled. child a good dignified existence and I. leave this world satisfied and happy. that my life had purpose and meaning. And the lesson that I take from that is. that it is not about whether you have a. gazillion dollars or whether your life. is easy. It's whether you have some.

meaning to invest your your your life. into. And I think we have to infuse. people's lives with with meaning so that. they that they can they can live a good. life. Well, that's a great message and I. think that's one of the most important. parts of being a leader is having a. great message and having a great. philosophy and having a great. perspective. And I mean, that's what. disturbed me the most about when Trudeau. was running the country that I I didn't. feel like I thought I felt like he was. manipulating people with woke politics.

and ideology and that it was just this. weird slippery slope that people were. falling down where they're losing rights. and you're you're losing your ability to. express yourself. >> And it just it just really disturbed me. because I always felt that Canada was. like one of the freest places and one of. the most open-minded places. And it just. I I didn't understand how it could fall. so quickly. >> We we still, you know, we are a free. country and we we are a democracy. We. have preserved that. Um you know, my.

leader my this funny moment when Joe. Biden came to Parliament Hill and I. said, um, Mr. President, I'm Pierre. Paul. I'm the leader of his majesty's. loyal opposition. And he said, loyal. opposition? How can you be loyal and. opposition at the same time? I like what. the hell are you talking about? And. because you know you guys have a a. system based on the a republic whereas. ours is the British system and in our. system. the the opposition is an act of loyalty.

That's what our system it means that if. you are opposing the government. you're doing it out of loyalty to the. good of the people and our house of. commons. You have a half circle in your. congress. We have two sides in our. parliament. It's two and a half sword. lengths apart because they used to. literally kill each other in the old. English days. But the idea is the. opposition is to prosecute the hell out. of the government. Make the mighty low. The most powerful people in the country. are supposed to tremble every time they. walk in that place because know every. mistake they made, every abuse of power,

every corruption they might have done. can be exposed and in front of all eyes. So our system is really designed to. constrain the power of government. through what we call parliament. Like I. don't work for government. I work for. parliament and parliament works for the. people. We call it the house of commons. because the it's the house of the common. people. It's green in there because they. used to meet in the in the fields of. England. And so I really view the world. of our parliament to limit the power of. government to maximize the power of the. people, make people bigger, stronger,

and more fulfilled by having the. government narrowly focus on the on the. things it's supposed to do, roads, military, basic social safety net, borders, police, etc. but then leave. people alone to live their lives. If I. were to start a political party from. scratch, it would be the mind your own. damn business party, you know, just get. the government to do its job well, do. you know, do four or five things really. well and then let people live their. lives. >> Well, that sounds very reasonable. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I mean, anybody that doesn't go. along with that, anybody that's opposed. to that, that doesn't even make sense. No, look, uh, like I said, the way I. grew up and everything I've seen ever. since, when I talk to farmers or factory. workers, electricians, I find they know. just as much or more than the so-called. experts I encounter on Parliament Hill. Like back during CO when all these. governments were printing money, uh, and. all the politicians and bankers said, "Oh, this is great. Uh, well, look at.

all this money we get to spend." I'd. walk around communities and I'd have. like mechanics say, "You know, we're. going to have inflation.". And I would say, "Yeah, it makes sense. to me." And I'd go back to Parliament. Hill and the experts would all say, "No, no, there's not going to be any. inflation." And sure enough, all that. money filtered into the economy, bid up. all the goods we buy, and and everybody. got smoked with higher prices. But the. point is that it was the it was the. common people who don't study this stuff. for a living, who don't read endless. reports and studies, who could just. figure out that if there's money pouring.

into the economy that's not matched by. goods and services, it's going to bid up. the cost of everything. So that's my. experience in my my ideology is the. common guy knows how to make his own. decisions. We need to empower him to do. that. >> Yeah. And just stay out of people's. lives. >> Exactly. So there's a narrative in. America and the narrative is that you. were about to win and your party was. about to win but then Trump came along. and said he was going to turn Canada. into the 51st state and everybody went. crazy. Is that accurate? >> I wouldn't say they went crazy. I mean.

it like they got very upset though. I. mean. >> it's a crazy thing to say. >> It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not. for sale. We're never going to be the. 51st state. Uh, you know, we love. Americans as neighbors and friends, but. we we want to be can uniquely and we. want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's. our country. It's where we grow up. You're a patriot as an American. I'm a. patriot as a Canadian. It's where my. grandfather arrived. It's where our. collective ancestors uh put on military. uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's.

where our grandkids are going to live. We're very proudly Canadian. So, we're. never going to be the 51st state. And I. I just wish he'd knock that [ __ ] off so. that we can get back to talking about. the things that that we can do as two. separate but but two separate countries. that are actually friends. >> Did that really have that much of an. effect up there? Like did people take. him seriously? >> I think at first everyone thought it was. a joke because we've always had these. jokes like you know one day we're going. to take over Vermont and Detroit should.

be part of Canada and all that stuff. But then he kept saying it and saying it. and uh you know it became un it became. uh a lot of people got upset about it. and I think understandably so. >> Understandably. Yeah. I mean it's a. crazy thing to say. >> It is a crazy thing to say. >> I talked to the phone about it. It was. like so funny. It's like at first I was. joking but then people were like it's a. good idea. >> That's not a good idea. >> Nobody's saying that. I can assure him. of that. But uh and and and the tariffs.

aren't a good idea either. We should get. the tariffs out because there's so much. we could be doing together as neighbors. and partners if we got rid of those. tariffs. Um, you know, the I think what. are the biggest problems in America. today? Affordability, security, and we. can help with both. We knock the tariffs. down. Let's look at affordability. We. got the fourth biggest supply of oil. anywhere on Earth. You guys pay a huge. price discount for our oil because we're. effectively all our infrastructure to. ship it is north south. And it's a very.

unique heavy oil. So we accept uh. unfortunately and for now a price. discount on the oil we send you which. can translate into more jobs and. paychecks but also lower energy prices. You've got $5 a gallon right now in lots. of places in America. Uh you're buying I. want to produce more so we can sell 2. million more barrels of Canadian oil. into the US market. And then there's. there's housing. You've got huge housing. uh pressures on young people. they can't.

afford a place to live. We're the. biggest supplier of of lumber for home. building uh of any country that imports. to the United States, exports to the. United States. Uh we've got very low. cost but high quality softwood lumber we. could be shipping or the best truck the. bestselling truck in America for 45. years now is the Ford series. It's. aluminum. It's a it's a militaryra. aluminum body. You guys can't make. enough aluminum here. don't have enough. boxite or electricity to to convert it.

into aluminum and aluminum. You get your. your aluminum from us. A tariff does not. bring the production to America. It. raises the price of the aluminum and. therefore the F- series truck. Get rid. of that tariff. You lower taxes. You. lower the cost of an F-ser truck for the. for the miner in Appalachia or the. electrician in Ohio. And and that's just. on the affordability side. There's a lot. we can do with our minerals to make the. continent a hell of a lot safer as well. So, I think it's in America's interest. to to come towards a a tariff-free deal.

and and trade freely as friends and uh. that will be good for both of us. >> Have you had conversations with Trump. about this? >> No. I I I believe in the rule of uh one. prime minister at a time. So, I fought. like hell to win. I didn't win. We came. very close. So, I I've said, "Listen, I'll leave it to the prime minister to. do the negotiating." and I've said I'll. support him anyway I can. Even in my. visit down here, I'm sending him text. messages to tell him what's going on to. try and support his work cuz what we.

want we both want what's best for. Canada. >> Where are your elections now? When do. you have the next elections? >> That's um this is a a strangely hard. question to answer because. >> I know you have a weird system. >> Yeah, it's. >> weird in comparison to ours rather. >> Yours are fixed. Um, as you know, ours, we have technically fixed election. dates, but they but the government can. fall at any time. It's very simple uh. rule is that if the opposition parties. bind up and they can vote down the. government, that is to say, the majority. of MPs in the House say we've lost.

confidence in the government, the. election is now. Or if the prime. minister uh decides he wants an. election, he can call it and the. election is now. But uh he it has to be. sometime in the next roughly 3 years. >> Oh, so you have a deadline where it has. to take place. Yeah, that's right. So, >> but it could happen tomorrow. >> The it wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow, but like you know in the next few weeks. if there were a non-confidence vote and. they government lost it, then then they. then they go to an election. So, it's.

kind of like the British system. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. Well, it is the British system. really. We we we adopted the British. system almost identically. >> So, when you're campaigning, you're. essentially this is like a long game. >> Yeah. You're you're just laying out your. strategy, laying out what you would do. to make Canada a better place. >> Yeah. Well, we have two roles. So, I I. said I'm the leader of the opposition, but I'm also prime minister in waiting. So, the notion is that the Canadian. people should not only have a. government, but they should have an. alternative. And that alternative has.

two functions. Official opposition, it's. actually called that. I think it's a. proper noun, capital O official, capital. Opposition. And also government in. waiting. So you have to be prosecuting. the government, but you have to present. to yourself yourself to people in a way. where they say, "Yeah, that guy or that. team could actually be the government.". Those are the dual roles that I have to. carry out. >> Interesting. And how long have you been. attempting to become prime minister for? How long has this been going on for?

>> Uh almost exactly four years because I. launched my campaign in uh February of. 2022. Was this something that you had. always had in the back of your mind or. >> I I I I'd say in the back of my mind, but it wasn't something I was set on. Like uh I I thought maybe, you know, when I'm in my 50s or 60s, I would try. it. Uh but I was in no rush to do that. >> How old are you now? >> I'm now 46. >> And so what motivated you to do it?

Well, you know, in after CO uh as CO was. unfolding, it wasn't just the the the CO. policies themselves. It was the economic. policies because I've been very focused. on economics in my parliamentary career. And I was seeing the size and cost of. government, not just in Canada, but all. around the world growing so much and. that inflation was just destroying the. workingclass people and that it was. going to get a lot worse. And so I I ran. on the platform of making Canada the.

freest country on earth. Uh that we had. a a tradition of freedom in Canada. Our. our one of our earliest prime ministers, Wilfrid Laurier, was asked what's your. what's Canada's nationality. And he. couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a. religion because we were already mixed. up even 100 years ago. We had Scots and. Irish and. >> first peoples. So he said, "Look, yeah, French, French, most of all French and. English and first first nations." So he. said um. Canada is free and freedom is its.

nationality. And I wanted to reinstate. that idea. I wanted it to be the freest. country anywhere on earth. And uh so I. ran on that platform and won the. leadership and then uh ran in the last. election and stayed on after that. election. So that's kind of the the last. four years of my journey. And so the way. your elections work now, so you you're. essentially just stating your case and. going around and talking about what. policies you would implement and how you. would do things differently and just. waiting to see how it all plays out.

>> It's we have um see our our our prime. minister is different than than the. president. He's actually part of the. legislative branch. So he comes in to. the House of Commons and we debate. multiple times a week, he and I. So it's. not just, you know, in your system the. the Republican and Democrat hold like. four debates right before the pre the. election. In our system, we're always. debating. So he comes in, he's on one. side, I come in, I'm on the other side, and I ask him like six consecutive. questions, and then he answers, and we.

go back and forth, and that's called. question period. Then we have these. committees where we prosecute and. propose uh on finance, natural. resources, healthcare, you name it. So. we're constantly prosecuting the. government, also proposing better ideas. at the same time. So like the other day. I proposed to to bring back the auto. pack between Canada and the US to have. tariff-free trade going both ways across. the the border. So that's an example of. how I'm in a position to actually offer. solutions even though I'm not in the. government and then hopefully government. actually steals my ideas and I've been.

encouraging them to steal my ideas. >> So what. >> is this coffee by the way? I need some. caffeine. Yeah, some caffeine there. >> I'm a terrible caffeine addict. >> Me too. Cheers. Cheers. >> Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre. for hooking this up. >> Yes, George is a good man. Great guy. Uh. he uh he said he's going to have me do. some pad work with him at some point. Really? That's pretty dangerous. >> Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the. time. >> He's a fantastic guy.

>> He's the best. He's one of the best. representatives of martial arts you you. could ever hope to meet. He's got. humility. I remember he came to. Parliament Hill uh years ago and I. thought, geez, he's going to be because. he's I thought he'd be cocky and. swagger, but he was so down to earth. So. much humility. >> for what he's accomplished in MMA. I've. I've introduced him to people and they. have no idea who he is. And then I go, that is one of the greatest fighters. that ever walked the face of the earth. Absolutely. No way. He's so nice.

>> And that's the Canadian way though. Like. it's softspoken and gentle and kind but. >> tough. >> Don't don't piss us off. >> Yeah, but tough. >> That's where Trump [ __ ] up. >> I wonder what would have happened if he. didn't go along with that 51st state. nonsense, you know? I mean, that that is. the narrative in this country, like I. said, that if he didn't do that, that. you would have won. >> Well, you never know. But I I try not to. cry over spilled milk. I focus on what I. have to do and live in the present. Um.

but uh but this new guy um. Mealot, have you have you followed him? Mike Malot. >> Oh, sure. I know Mike. >> Yeah. He's going to be fighting in. Winnipeg. I think he's the next GSP. >> He's very good. >> You like him? >> Yeah, he's excellent. Yeah, >> he did a great job in Montreal if you. saw him there. But maybe. >> Oh, yeah. I've been to many of his. called bunch of his fights. Excellent. Yeah, he's excellent. >> Yeah, he's uh my buddy is his trainer, Crew Crew Allen Hamalg. >> uh in um in Hamilton. He's a Hamilton.

steel uh steel town guy and uh anywhere. we're hoping that he has a big win in. Winnipeg. So. >> well you guys have one of the best gyms. in the world, Tristar in Montreal. Is. that right? >> Fasa Habi who's the. >> if there there's like maybe a handful of. great masterminds in in MMA as far as. coaches and Kas is at the top of the. list. >> Is that right? And what's his. >> He trained GSP. >> Is his discipline karate or kickboxing. Muay Thai? I mean, he's I mean, he's a. true mixed martial artist. Black belt. and jiu-jitsu, kickboxing, every I mean,

he can do everything. And he has an. Tristar is a place where a lot of people. from America go up there for their. camps. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> I have to drop in and see those guys. >> Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, like I. said, GSP trained up there. A lot a lot. of fighters trained up there. And he. also had a great working relationship. with a lot of people in America. So he. would come down and, you know, they. would exchange fighters back and forth. and train with each other. >> Yeah. Well, we have a great martial arts. tradition in Canada. Um, I don't know if. you know Mike Miles, he brought Muay.

Thai from from Thailand to uh Calgary. like back in 7 in the 70s or 80s and he. still got a great gym there. And uh, >> do you know who Jean Tero is? >> Yes, he's a buddy of mine. Really? From. Ottawa? Yeah. >> Oh, no kidding. >> Yeah, he. >> he was a hero of mine when I was a kid. >> Yeah, he's incredible. When I was. kickboxing, he was like my idol. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Does he know that? >> I never talked to him. >> Well, he's going to see this. >> I bought his book. >> Yeah, >> I bought his book. I started running. stairs because of his book cuz he was.

talking about how it increased his leg. muscles and his kicking power. >> I remember that. It was in one of his. documentaries or something. He said his. kicks weren't strong enough, so he would. do stairs. But I went and trading at his. dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa. >> Uh he was incredible. He was uh he was. one of the truly elite kickboxers of his. time. >> He he he was a great boxer. Like I know. he he never competed as a boxer, but his. his hands were fantastic. And. >> well, that's really what separated him. from a lot of other people was like his. accuracy and his technique was pristine.

>> He told me that he would spend hours. studying the the distances that your. limbs would have to travel depending on. how you moved. He was kind of uh like a. scientist in the way he learned and. studied and he was all about simplicity. and removing anything unnecessary. Uh I. think Bruce Lee said that he said. simplicity hack away at the unnecessary. >> and uh you know how do you what's the. shortest distance to to hit the strike. >> and um he's got a great he has a really.

good heart too you know he had um. >> he has a jiu-jitsu club as well. >> and when I went in there there was a. blind fellow who was into jiu-jitsu. which you can do as a blind person. because it's so much about feel. >> but with co he couldn't do jiu-jitsu. anymore because they they they. disallowed that kind of up close contact. so He actually found a way to train this. guy with focus mitts even though he was. blind. It was really incredible. Oh wow. >> Yeah. It was just but it it was. incredible amount of patience he had. invested in making sure this this young. man could keep doing his physical.

activity throughout co. >> Wait a minute. So they allowed pad work. but they didn't allow jiu-jitsu. >> I don't know if it was a government. policy or if it was just it was a policy. at the gym because you know you're just. so wrapped up and sweating and I'll le. the gyms in America everybody just. >> just kept going. >> Kept going. They hid. They would like. put foil over the windows and like hide. or come in through the back door. A lot. of the gyms in LA, that's what they did. >> They just plowed ahead. >> They just figured out a way to not get. in trouble and and some people did get.

caught and get in trouble and nothing. ever came of it because it's pretty. unconstitutional to tell people that. they can't work out together. Like the. government really didn't have the right. to tell people that they couldn't do. what they wanted to do. That was a legal. thing that you can do. Like all of a. sudden there's this. mandate, there's this law or rule being. passed down or at least it's being. promoted that you're not allowed to go. to a gym and work out with other people. Like, but those are the healthiest.

people. Those are the people that are. least likely to get sick. Like this this. is crazy to say. And you know, if you're. sick and if you just have a good gym. with good people, say, "Hey, don't show. up if you're sick." Everybody should be. okay. These are the people you should. worry about the least. >> We need to have common sense again. And. uh too many governments in the Western. world have gone way too bossy. They're. just looking for every excuse to boss. people around. And uh that's what we. have to push back again. and it's you. know EV mandates or um you know.

excessive uh control of the internet or. um the massive increase in the cost of. government which is really like. appropriating the private voluntary. economy into the coercive government. economy. Uh that's uh that's what we're. seeing across Europe in the UK parts of. the United States as well as uh back. home. So we need to we need to reverse. that trend and get people back in charge. of their lives. Well, the narrative has. always been that. rights lost are never regained or are.

very very difficult to regain them. So, how could you reverse that? >> Well, you have to keep fighting. I mean, we did regain uh our rights uh after co. and you know the the people have to look. look at the history of it. How did. >> which rights did you regain? >> Well, the all the mandates are gone now, >> of course, but those were ridiculous. anyway. >> Yeah, they were ridiculous. But uh a lot. >> and they also impeded business. They. they ruined people's lives, social.

lives. >> But freedom has always had to be taken. Like you go our tradition goes back to. to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great. charter. And most of the freedoms we. have today were in that original. document. Right to a jury trial, uh no. arrest without charge, no conf comp. confiscation without compensation, no. taxation without representation. All. comes from that one document, the Magna. Carta. And uh it was because King John. was taken aside by the barrens and they. said, "Listen, pal, this is the choice.

Either you sign this and follow it or we. overthrow you." And as a result, we got. the Magna Carta and all of when you guys. had your Boston Tea Party and said, "You. can't tax our tea cuz we don't elect. you." That was an appeal as you were. Englishmen saying I'm not we're. Englishmen. We have the right not to be. taxed unless we vote for it and we're. going to throw you out otherwise. But. that came out of the fields of Runny. Meat in England in 1215. So it's a long. march towards freedom and it's never. actually done. Like there's no permanent.

victories or defeats. You just have to. keep going forward. >> So if you were elected, let's say you. get in right now, what what's one of the. first things you would do? >> I would unblock our resources. So we. have the most resources of any country. in the world per capita, bar none. We. need to have to make it happen though. We need to have the fastest permits. anywhere in the world and the lowest. taxes on producing those resources. We're the fourth in oil, the number. number one in uranium, number one in pot.

ash for fertilizer. We have the fifth. biggest supplier of natural gas. We have. um the longest oceanic coastline. Like. we are we have 12 of NATO's. um sorry we have 10 of 12 of NATO's. defined defense minerals. So, you know, you had that guy Palmer Lucky on. I. don't think he can make his stuff. without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm. wrong, maybe he'll correct me, but like. night vision technology, you need to. have uh you need to have germanmanium.

for that. You need to have ga galium to. make uh semiconductors and radar. You. need to have aluminum for armored. vehicles and uh airplanes. You need. cobalt for heat resistant alloys and. fighter jets. You need tungsten for uh. body, sorry, um uh armor-piercing ammun. ammunition. We have it all. And what I. want to do is unblock those resources, produce them in abundance for ourselves. and our allies, make, you know, $200,000. paychecks for our trades workers, build.

up an enormous strategic stockpile of. it, so that we have tons of leverage in. international relations, and if, god. forbid, there is ever a global conflict, we would have all the resources. necessary to win it. So uh but we need. to we need to pass we need to get rid of. a lot of laws that are blocking and and. replace them with laws that have fast. permitting so that we can produce this. stuff uh on scale very quickly. So is. the concern the environmental. impact of extracting these things?

>> Is that what's holding it up? >> That is the. that's the ostensible reason. But I just. think across western the western world. like Europe, UK, parts of the US and. Canada, there's a problem with. bureaucracy just growing way too damn. big. Like, you know, the First Nations. in our country are incredibly. forward-looking. The Squamish built. 6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of. land. You can believe it. In a town in a.

city of Vancouver where it's very hard. to get a permit to do anything because. it was their land, so they did it. They're trying to build they're building. now an LG liquefaction plant where they. replaced uh an old 30 mil. They cleaned. it up and put an LG plant there, but the. federal government took a lot of time, 14 years to give them a permit. So, we. need to think like they're thinking, which is entrepreneurial, speed of. business, get it done quickly. Um, that's how you develop like we have this.

community in my my district. It's called. Hardesty, 600 people. They manage a. hundred billion dollars of oil in a town. of 600 people. Why is it there? because. their municipality offers a permit in. one week with one page. And I wanted to. tell this story. So I called them and I. said, "Can I have someone come and do a. video with me?" And they said, "We don't. have anyone here. We don't have like. bureaucrats that can help you." Like. they're all out on their farms right. now. They come in, they stamp the. permit, and they go back to their farm. Well, that's why we have a hundred. billion dollars of energy moving through.

the area, which is bigger than the GDP. of many countries because they have fast. permits. And that's what we need in. Canada. We need to be the fastest place. to get things done. But don't you think. you need some safeguards to protect the. environment? And how do you balance that. out? >> Protect it quickly. We can figure out. what what whether a project is damaging. to the environment in weeks and months. rather than decades. Like there's. nothing you're going to learn in year 14. of the review that you couldn't have. learned in in month 14. So there's ways. to protect the environment. when the.

Germans So when the Germans had to break. their dependence on Russia after it. invaded Ukraine, they approved an an LNG. import terminal in 60 days. They. completed the whole damn thing in less. than 200 days. And guess what? No. environmental problems. They they got. their engineers to sit down and figure. out how to do it quickly. And that's the. that's the mentality that we need to get. in Canada. >> So what would you be able to do to. bypass all this bureaucracy? How could. that be done legally?

>> Well, you slim it down to one project, one environmental review instead of 20. or 30. You have uh a fixed timeline that. the bureaucrats have to give an answer. of 6 months rather than just as long as. they want to drag it on for. Um, and the. other thing I would do is study areas. where they're they're perfectly situated. to have a project like a pipeline or a. mine or an LG export terminal or a port. expansion. And I would pre-permit it. I. would say to our officials, go in, study, make sure that the environmental. aspects are all in good order. I will.

issue a pre-permit and then anybody who. comes along and wants to build it, as. long as they follow the terms and act. responsibly, has a guaranteed permit. before they even apply for it. Uh, and. uh, that I think we would have a roaring. economy if we did that. >> That sounds awesome. But the the great. fear is that if you do have an impact on. the environment, that impact is often. permanent and that it's devastating. And. I I've seen some of the oil extraction. that they've done up in Alberta. When. you look at the area, it looks like like.

scorched earth. >> No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's the. most responsible oil extraction in the. world. >> But when you when you see these, what is. that one area that often gets. criticized? >> Fort Mac. >> Is that what it is? >> Yeah. It's they're open pit mines. You. you open up a mine, you take out the you. take out the bumen. um you subtract you. you separate the sand from the oil, you. you make it less viscous by putting. diluent in it and and you ship it off. and then after the oil is after the. mining is done, they they resurface it.

and you wouldn't even know there was a. mine there. >> and there's no impact to groundwater, no. impact to the environment. >> I mean, there's an impact no matter what. you do, but at the end of the day, the. people who live there are very healthy. and very happy and they're the strongest. supporters of the expansion of the oil. sands. It's an incredible. >> because economically it's. >> Oh, it's incredible. It's the best. resource in the world. So, it's like uh. there's no decline rate. You guys have. shale here, but you know, as the years. go by, you get less and less out of a. shale uh reservoir. We we have very.

little decline. We can keep producing. and producing. Uh we have um what's. called insitu where there's an entire. oil sands operation under your feet. You. could be out in a forest hunting and you. wouldn't even know that under your feet. they're extracting it through a whole. system of pipes where they inject just. steam steam vapor that loosens up the. oil. It sinks down. It goes into another. pipe, comes up to the top and you can. have beautiful pristine nature. The. bears, the the uh the deer, the birds, they don't even know that there's. extraction happening under their feet. So, we have the best industry, the most.

responsible industry anywhere in the. world. It's been a a really disgusting. PR campaign by extremist. environmentalists and frankly some of. our competitors to try and make our. industry look bad. But it's the best. industry in the world. >> Yeah, they got me. >> Yeah, >> I saw some videos on it and I was like, "Oh my god, what are they doing to the. ground? What are they doing to the. earth? It looks horrible.". >> They're all It's It's all [ __ ] We. have the. >> It looks horrible. >> Yeah, but I mean that's just a. superficial look at it. You I'll take. you for a tour in the oil sands. You'll.

be amazed. We have the best engineers in. the world. And by the way, the First. Nations people absolutely love it. because it's lifting their people out of. poverty. They're getting enormous job. opportunities out of it. One of our MPs. is a former chief uh where they took uh. 18% unemployment, brought it down to. three, balanced their budget. Another. one of my members of parliament in. Northern British Columbia negotiated a. $40 billion LNG plant on his uh on the. Heisla territory. It's completely. eliminating poverty for the First.

Nations there. And by exporting clean. Canadian natural gas, which we can. liquefy 25% cheaper because it's cold as. hell in Canada, um they uh actually. displace dirty coal overseas. So instead. of Asia burning coal, they're burning. clean Canadian gas uh that's delivered. by First Nations partnership. So this is. the best way to do it. Makes everybody. richer and makes our entire continent. better off. Well, >> it seems so simple the way you're laying. it out. I don't understand why this. hasn't been implemented. Yeah, this is this is the the story of.

my life. Uh it's frustrating. >> Is it that but it's if is it that. simple? Is it really that this is what's. holding everything up? The bureaucracy. and the the time it takes for permits. and. >> Yeah. Like a lot of things. We have the. same thing in housing and and so do you. like if you look at. >> you look California is terrible. Like. why is there such a housing shortage in. California? It's because it takes. forever to get a permit and there's. always bureaucracy standing in the way. and it totally screws over the. workingclass youth who can't find a.

place to live because they're not being. built. And uh we have that challenge in. Canada as well. So that's why I proposed. ideas to cut the bureaucracy and the. taxes so that we can build affordable. homes for our youth cuz right now we. have a whole generation that can't. afford homes. And that was one of the. biggest issues I ran on. Home ownership. is necessary for family formation, for. civil peace in society where, you know, everybody feels like they have a piece. of the pie. Um, we need to expand home. ownership. But to do that, you've got to. get the government gatekeepers out of.

the way, speed up the permits, free up. the land, cut the development taxes. >> So, let's assume that you got in office. How much time would it take to start. implementing these things? And how. quickly would that impact be felt by the. Canadian people? >> Look, I think a lot of them could move. very quickly. There's a lot of projects. that are pe that that investors are. sitting on, but they don't have uh. certainty and permits. So, I would. unblock that. And I think in the first. year, you would start to see immediate.

benefits uh for the working people who'd. be getting these jobs. Um, some of it. would take more and more like a. medium-term. Like the second thing I. would go after is just the inflationary. spending which is a big problem all over. the western world. Like people just. can't afford to live. I don't know if. you you do do you you encounter that. around here? >> Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean inflation is crazy. >> and it's I mean the national debt in. America just went up to 39 trillion,

>> right? Which is bigger than your GDP. >> It's a lot of money. So, so explain this. to me. 50 years ago, a barber and a a. barber and a waitress could buy a house. with a big yard for a dog and raise four. kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner. table every night. And now an accountant. and a lawyer can't do that. Why is that? >> Well, there's a lot of spending and a. lot of making money. lot of just. turning, you know, just just making.

>> dollar bills. >> with nothing behind it, nothing to back. it. >> This is the biggest fraud perpetrated on. the workingclass people in the last. hundred years. >> Printing money is just insane. It's just. the the idea you just print more money. It's like and people go, "Oh, okay.". >> Well, it looks it looks painless at. first, but if you have an economy with. 10 apples and $10, it's a buck an apple. You double the number of dollars to 20, but you still only have 10 apples. Well, all of a sudden, it's two bucks an. apple. It's not that the cost of apples.

has gone up. It still costs the same. resources to grow the and pick the. apples. Is that the the price has gone. up because the value of the money has. gone down, right? >> So, in America over the last 55 years, you've doubled the number of homes in. America from about 70 million to 150. million. You know how much the money. supply has grown? 30 times. So you have. twice the homes but 30 times the cash. So what's happened? Housing costs have.

gone up 15fold in 55 years. And now an. entire generation of kids can't afford. homes. We have exactly the same problem. in Canada. Uh this is the biggest wealth. transfer from the working class to the. the elites from uh I say the h have nots. to the have yachts and Washington and. Wall Street love it by the way because. it inflates the stock market inflates. the bureaucracy. Politicians get to. spend. CEOs get their stocks uh. inflated. Um but it destroys the working. people. And we need to get back to to.

hard money. Everything should be getting. cheaper by the way. You know, it takes. 80 60 to 80% less resources to grow. food. We grow four times the food on the. same acre, get four times as much milk. from the same cow. We use 80% less water. and fertilizer. So why isn't it that. food is not less expensive? It's because. all of those gains are being erased by. monetary inflation. So it's not that. food is more costly, it's that the. value, the money we use to buy it has. less uh purchasing power. And uh we need.

to do what the Swiss do, which is they. don't print money. They have balanced. budgets. They have almost no deficit. And they have almost zero inflation in. Switzerland. They have the strongest. money in the world, the Swiss Frank. And. uh we would all be better if we operated. like the Swiss when it comes to our. money. >> So in a real world scenario, it's like. you you take over Canada. How would you. go about implementing this? >> You got to cut bureaucracy, consultants, which consume, by the way, $26 billion.

of spending. >> How big is your debt in Canada? uh. 1.3ish trillion. >> Oh, that's baby debt. >> It's comp compared to you. You guys are. you guys are ridiculous. >> Wild. But you know, you've gotten away. with it because the dollar the American. dollar is the reserve currency. >> So all these countries prop up the value. of the US dollar by keeping it on. reserve. Um better hope that doesn't. change. >> Yeah, better hope. >> We we we don't have that luxury. And so. uh but we do have a lot of debt and we. have a lot we have provinces too.

They're quite indebted. But um I would. cut the bureaucracy. I would cut uh. consultants, foreign aid. I'd cut way. back on foreign aid. Uh the we give out. corporate welfare, these checks to. corporations. I believe business should. make money rather than take money. So I. would get rid of that. We're giving a. lot of money to fake fake refugees. Um. people who come in and don't uh actually. or they're not actually fleeing danger. Um like I love real refugees. My wife. was a refugee, but I have no time for.

people who are pretending, but they're. not really. >> And what do you mean by pretending to be. a refugee? How are they doing this? >> They're not actually endangered in their. home country. So, they've come to be. declared themselves as students and then. wanting to stay, declaring a refugee. status. >> Oh, and this is common. >> Yeah, it happens. It happens. And I. mean, they just want to have a better. life. So I don't I don't begrudge them. as people, but we can't we can't spend. money on social service to enhance. social services, advanced programs that. we as Canadians don't get for people who.

are not paying into. >> So you're not opposed to them being. there. You're opposed to them getting. >> I'm opposed to them if if they're not. real refugees, they shouldn't be brought. in as refugees. I think we have to. distinguish between those people who are. actually in danger in their home. country, which is the definition of an a. refugee, and someone who just wants to. come uh in in excess of uh of their. their proper immigration. >> Is it that common that it's actually. affecting our economy? >> Right now, it's a challenge because um.

we had a big number of international. students and temporary foreign workers. that came in in very large numbers in. like 2 or 3 years. um we were bringing. in about a million people a year which. in in America's terms would be 10. million like just if you're doing per. capita and it really caused a housing. shortage um like some places where you. have 26 of these students living in one. basement. Um so we're trying to unwind. that now. >> and how how do you do that? >> Well, when their work permit and their. visitor visa runs out, then we have to.

encourage them to to head back um. lawfully, >> right? But you don't want to do it ICE. style. >> No. No. I don't think we need to do. that. I just think we have to be orderly. and lawful about it. >> And is that supported by the Canadian. people? >> Yes. Because we're a very welcoming. country. We're a nation of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. And we. the there's a general consensus like. across the the spectrum in Canada that. there there was the the population.

growth was too fast for like four or. five years. And uh so we're we're trying. to unwind that. Now, >> um what are what are the other things. that you would have to do to drop your. debt and sort of balance your budget and. begin to turn things around? >> Well, in addition, so I I I like this. idea that actually, believe it or not, the Clint that Bill Clinton and the. Republicans did in the '9s in the US. It. was called the payo law. It was a very.

simple principle. Every time the. administration wanted to bring in a new. dollar of spending, they had to match it. with a dollar of savings. So there was. no extra net spending for like eight. years. And that's when your government. balanced its budget and paid off $400. billion of debt. That law elapsed in. 2002. And immediately after that, America went. back into deficits. And you haven't. emerged. You've been in deficit now for. 25 years. This is about internalizing. scarcity. Every creature in the.

universe, every bird in the trees, every. fish in the seas has to live with. scarcity, maximizing use of scarce. resources. The only creature who doesn't. do that is the politician because he's. always using someone else's money, >> right? It's like, oh, I'll just print it. or borrow it or tax it. It's not my. money. >> And so, they routinely show up to their. cabinet meetings and say, I've got a new. idea. It's $100 million. Where are you. going to get it? I don't know. We'll. print it. We'll borrow it. We'll we'll. tax it. Not my money. But if you had a. law saying you can't actually bring a.

proposal to cabinet unless you have. matching savings to pay for it, well. then you'd have these politicians. walking up and down the hallways in. their departments looking for waste and. like rooting it out. So instead of. making the single mom, the senior or the. small business owner live with scarcity, I want the politicians and bureaucrats. to live with scarcity. And that's what I. would impose by law on my government. >> Well, it's just a rational way to deal. with the problem. like don't spend money. unless you could save money. >> Exactly. >> That's how you balance things out. I.

mean, Clinton did balance the budget. >> He did. >> during his time. And people forget that. because we've always assumed that. there's always been this extraordinary. debt, but that's not the case. During. the 1990s, >> I mean, it he did a fantastic job at. that. >> Yeah. They I mean, it was that Congress. was was very disciplined as well, and. the American people just got fed up and. said, "We're not tolerating these. deficits anymore." And and they imposed. scarcity from the center. And by the. way, the economy boomed because the. government was restrained. Then the free. market economy could just roar. And.

that's uh another part of the equation, by the way, is unlock the power of free. enterprise. Like this is the 250th. anniversary, not just of the Declaration. of Independence, but also of Adam. Smith's Wealth of Nations, where he. basically for the first time in human. history described the free market. system. And um that was starting to. flourish in the states and in parts of. Europe. And that system. basically started to come into place. after you know the late 1770s. The.

growth since the free market system has. came in come into place in in the world. has been 200 times faster than it was. before because there's is the most. powerful system for generating material. benefit for the people and that's what. we need to restore in Canada. I want to. make it the freest economy in the world. Well, that all sounds amazing. How the. hell did you lose? How can a rational person not vote for.

that? I mean, you're not saying anything. that's restrictive. You're not saying. anything that is in any way infringing. on people's rights or liberties or It. just sounds like it's all just 100%. positive for Canada. >> That's what I think. That's that's my. mission and I think it will be positive. and we'll get there, you know. Um, Canadians do things through evolution, not revolution. So, I'm just going to. keep pushing my ideas and I think that I. think overwhelmingly we'll we'll win the. next election. >> Well, it sounds like.

I I just can't see how someone would. listen to what you're saying and say I. find fault in this. Other than like the. the potential environmental impact of. extracting resources, I could see how a. lot of the greenies would get like. really upset and get their panties in a. bunch about that and and be very. incredulous to the idea that you're. going to protect the environment while. you're extracting all these resources. But if you could lay it all out and also. lay out this enormous economic impact. and how it would uplift impoverished. communities, how it would completely.

change the economic landscape of the. country, >> it just only makes sense. That's why I'm. baffled. >> Well, listen, the people render their. judgment, but I it means I have to do a. better job of uh processing. >> What were the criticisms of you? like. what did your opponent say that like. people that resonated with people? >> Um. >> what were they trying to say? >> It was funny because they all disagreed. with my ideas and they said these are. all very scary ideas. >> Scary. >> and then they said first of all they.

said they said that I had no policies. then they said uh they're scary policies. and then they stole my policies right. before the election. So uh but hey. listen if the government that's in power. now steals all my ideas and does the. things I want to do then I then I've. won. That's why I came here. I didn't. just do it so that I could have the my. name on the door. So, I keep saying to. the prime minister, "Seal my ideas.". >> Right. But he doesn't want to. >> Well, he uh I I won't criticize him on. foreign soil. We'll uh but uh.

>> Good for you. >> Yeah. I mean, uh we have a mutual. respect. >> That's such a Canadian thing to do. >> That is a very Canadian thing to do. >> So polite, you know, >> that's what I'm saying about Canadians. They're so polite. It's funny, your. security guy was talking about the. Canadian standoff of uh, you know, when. you get to a door, you go first. No, you. go first. No, you go first. You could. stay there all day. I actually looked. this up the other day. Ontario actually. has an apology act. It's a law that. defines the apology because we always. say sorry in Canada. So, they wanted to. clarify that sorry is not a legal.

admission of guilt. So, like if we get. into a car accident, I say, "Oh, sorry. man. I was terrible at your bumper. It. doesn't mean that I'm guilty.". So, it's actually in law. Even if. somebody else screwed up, you say sorry. That's funny. That's so Canadian. >> But you know, the the great thing about. Canada is we've always sorted our [ __ ]. out peacefully. Like the the the the. Protestants and Catholics tore each. other's eyeballs out in Europe for like. hundreds of years. And then we came to. Canada and just got along. And and. that's the great thing about Canada is.

like you can come you know Muslims and. Jews, Christians uh and uh uh sorry um. Protestants and Catholics uh Hindus and. Sikhs they come to Canada and they just. get along. They live on the same streets. eventually. We all start intermaring and. uh it's a it's a great thing about. Canada. >> Well, it really is a great melting pot, you know. >> Yeah. And and like folks get to keep. their their cultures like uh at the same. time as uh blending into the Canadian. identity. Like my wife my wife's from. Venezuela and uh so like you know.

oftentimes I like I'm I'm in the house. and there's like 16 Latinos and they're. all speaking Spanish. I have no idea. what the hell's going on and uh they. have this food. It's called a jackass. And I said you know when they start. start cooking this stuff I thought my I. said to my wife did did your mom just. call me a a jackass? Um cuz that's what. it sounded like. >> I don't speak any Spanish but uh. >> you should probably learn. >> I should now. >> They're yapping in your house. It's a. great It's a great uh My kids are. starting to learn Spanish, so I'm going. to be outnumbered. >> Yeah, you better learn it.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But. >> um so what else is uh an an issue in. Canada that you would like to fix? >> Talk to me those napkins. I got a I got. an allergy I'm dealing with. >> We we got to toughen up our justice. system. Um it it got way too soft. And uh. >> What's wrong with your justice system? >> Basically bail. Um I I mean we all. believe in the basic principle that. you're innocent till approve pro proven. guilty. But if someone's convicted has.

have like 150 prior convictions and. they're newly arrested on their latest. crime. >> Yeah. >> I don't think we should be releasing. them onto the streets. And uh so we got. two lakhs on bail. So there's now a. consensus in Canada that you should have. severe restrictions on repeat offenders. Like in Vancouver, they had to arrest. the same 40 guys 6,000 times in one. year. 40 guys, 6,000 arrests. So, they're basically being released within. hours of their latest arrest. So, we're.

we're we now built a bipartisan. multipartisan consensus to fix that. And. uh we're pushing to toughen the bail. system um and ensure that it's the. repeat offenders. It's a tiny group. We. don't have a lot of criminals in Canada, but they do a tremendous amount of. crime. So, if you take them off the. street, you put them in prison, you can. basically reduce the crime rate. dramatically. >> Well, we probably have more crime. percentage-wise in America, but it's. still a small percentage of the. population that commits the crime. But.

it's the same issue. Like in New York. City, it's extraordinary the amount of. people that are repeat offenders. Yeah. >> And they just let them go. In. California, no cash bail, let them go. It's like it is bananas. And it doesn't. make any sense and it doesn't make. anybody help. I understand you want to. be empathetic and I understand these. narratives that the prison system is. racist and the justice system is racist. and these people never been given a a. great shake in life. Well, if you want. to fix that, start in these impoverished.

neighborhoods, establish community. centers, establish better education, fund that, but don't let hardened. criminals back on the street when they. >> they're habitual. They've been if you've. been arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't. seem like you're getting any better. So, whatever rehabilitation process they. have going on there, that's not working. So, keep doing the same thing over and. over again. Unless you like crime, I. don't understand why you would do that. >> This has been, you know, it's imposed by.

these so-called experts. They tell, oh, we've done all these studies that show. that the soft on crime policies work, but everywhere it been, it's been tried, it's been an absolute disaster anywhere. in the Western world. We have a town. called Pentictton. There's one guy who. the police can tell by looking at the. the crime rate whether he's been in jail. or not. He comes out of jail. The crime. rate for the entire town of actually. goes up. >> That's so crazy. >> But you just keep him in prison though. >> That seems so simple to solve. It's like.

there's so many of these problems with. government that it's just like rational. thinking is one of one of the great. interviews that I loved about you. you. were eating an apple and you were. talking to this guy who was being. completely ridiculous and you were. asking him to define what the the issues. that he had and it was so funny. It was. like this is what happens when a. rational person meets a person with. empty narratives. It was such a weird. moment because. >> you just kept eating that apple. >> It was such a It was such a good apple. It was so good. That's the thing. And. the thing is I didn't even realize I was.

being taped. I thought it was a print. interview. >> Oh, that's hilarious. >> That's why I think I was so relaxed. Uh, but so I'm in the most beautiful place. in the world. If you ever if you haven't. been to the Okanagan, it's unbelievable. Like it's lakes, it's mountains, it's. nice dry weather and there's orchards. and vineyards there. Like you'd love it. And so I'm in an apple orchard and I'm. walking around just talking with people. and my staff says, "This reporter wants. to do an interview and I'm enjoying the. apple." He comes up, starts asking. questions. Nobody who was there thought.

this was a moment. Like we'd thought. nothing of it. We dumped the whole. thing. My my staff, unbeknownst to me, was recording my whole walk. We dumped. this 15-minute video on the internet. No. one noticed it. And like 3 weeks later, my phone blows up and people say, "Hey, how about that apple?" I'm like, "What. is he? What are they talking about this. apple thing?" And then, you know, within. 3 days, everybody's talking to me about. this damn apple that I had almost. forgotten about eating. >> So, weird things. >> That conversation sort of it embodied. this issue. It really did because you.

have rational thinking and empty. narratives colliding. >> right. >> while you're eating an apple. Like. you're so casual about it. You're. actually eating an apple. Which was so. perfect. I mean, you couldn't if if you. planned on like if you had a PR team, I. think you should be eating an apple. They'd be like, "Oo, I like it." So he's. casual. He's eating fruit. It's healthy. You know, >> it was totally coincidence. Like out of. nowhere, not planned. And not even. noticed. Like I said, no one there. thought this was going to be a moment.

We just like totally forgot about it. >> Well, it made it in America. It was. viral in America. And we were like, "How. come that guy's not the prime minister? What the hell's going on?". >> Well, in the meantime, you can buy. ambrosio apples from uh the South. Okonagan. I'm really plugging a lot of. uh sales for the Canadian economy today. >> You know what I found out about Canadian. um maple syrup? >> What's that? >> It is actually a superfood and it is. actually better for you than honey. Is. that right? >> Yeah. It contains a bunch of polyphenols. and a bunch of like healthy nutrients.

>> I always thought maple syrup was just a. guilty pleasure you poured on pancakes. >> No, it's a totally Canadian thing. >> It's really good for you. >> So, you take it before your workout? >> No. No. I just watched a Instagram video. yesterday. Somebody sent it to me and I. was like, "What is this?". >> We'll have to send you a bunch of maple. syrup from Canada. I've had a bunch of. >> We actually have a maple syrup reserve. in Canada. Like a reserve of of excess. stockpiles. like a oil reserve. >> Well, we don't have an oil reserve. This. is something I want to change. I want to. have an oil reserve, but I also want to.

keep the maple syrup reserve cuz we're. Canadians after all. There's nothing. more Canadian than that. >> Well, it's so delicious. I can't believe. it's good for you. Make sure that's. true. >> I mean, in what way is it true? >> Uh, are there nutrients? Let's put it. into perplexity. Our sponsored it. I. compared it verse honey. I'll give you. what it showed. That's not saying it's. like better. Maple syrup and honey are. both sugary, but maple syrup is slightly. lower in calories. Glycemic index has. more minerals like magnes. maganese. and calcium. While honey is a bit higher.

in calories, has a slightly stronger. impact on blood sugar. Well, this guy on uh Instagram was very. convincing. I wish I saved it. >> I think it's convincing. I think you. should go with it. >> I'm in it. >> I'm done. >> Stick with it. >> Tastes better, too. >> Yeah, it's the best. It's fantastic. Put. that with a little bit of Greek yogurt. You get your protein. >> Oh yeah, >> that's what I do. Greek yogurt. >> and maple syrup. Maybe start a trend cuz. everybody uses honey on their yogurt. >> No, maple syrup from Canada. Cuz if it's.

not from Canada, it's not the real deal. >> Well, there's a lot of fake syrup, right? >> There's a lot of junk out there. When. you go to a pancake house and they have. that stuff in the little plastic cups, that's garbage. Yeah. You don't want to. have That's manufactured crap. >> Well, that's the case with honey as. well. Oh, I had a woman in here once. It. was a beekeeper and she was explaining. to us that a lot of uh honey is not. actually honey. They water it down with. uh corn syrup. >> There's so much shed in our food these. days. >> Yes. >> I I believe in eating clean. >> 100%. Well, I mean that was one of the.

primary factors uh for me supporting. this administration was RFK Jr. in this. make America healthy again initiative. because I think you know I had my friend. Brigham Beller yesterday from ways to. well on and you know we hammered this. many times over and over again but. people need to hear it we spend more. money on healthcare and we're sicker. than we've ever been before and we have. more chronic illness and we have more. money none of it makes any sense it's. completely ridiculous and it's obvious.

that people are eating the wrong things. and there was so much outrage of him. implementing all these healthy choices. and trying to get rid of dyes that are. illegal in Canada. Like the same cereals. that the same factory sells in Canada, they sell with natural dyes and in. America we demand them to be more. colorful so we put poison in them. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Is that No, you know what what are the. uh what do you think are the dietary. habits that are making people in the.

western world sick right now? Like is it. the dyes? Is it the sugars? Is it the. carbs? Like what what's getting people. in? >> There's a lot of things. First of all, it's processed foods. Processed foods is. a an enormous percentage of a lot of. Americans diets. >> Things with massive amounts of. preservatives in them. And that that's. like if you want like a general. guideline, eat real food. Eat real eggs, real vegetables, real meat, real fish. You'll be healthier. Yeah. As soon as.

you start having things that can sit on. a shelf forever, except things like rice. and you know normal beans, like things. that are dried, that makes sense. They. could sit there. But if something can. just sit on a shelf for a long period of. time and you consume it, how is it just. not rotting? Like I'm sure you've seen. where they've taken a McDonald's Big Mac. and they've just let it sit, take a. cheeseburger in a box and the guy pulls. it out like 10 years later. It looks. exactly the same. That's not food. >> The bacteria didn't want to eat it. They. looked at it and they were like, "I'm. not eating that.".

>> If bacteria doesn't eat it, if mold. doesn't eat it, that's crazy. Why are. you eating it? Like, there's something. in it preventing the mold from growing. What is that? Well, that stuff [ __ ]. with your gut bacteria. It's it's. terrible for your body. And empty. calories. And we we consume an enormous. amount of processed food in this. country. And if you want to be a. healthier person, eat real fruit, eat. real food, eat real vegetables, eat real. meat. It's that simple. just that that. would fix 90% of our problems when it.

comes to people's diets. >> And we like when my uh my wife once. looked at some of the baby formula we. had and she said she looked on it, she. said, "There's no expiry date on this. This never goes bad.". >> That's crazy. >> That can't be that can't be a good. thing, >> right? Meanwhile, breast milk you have. to freeze, right? >> Exactly. So, uh and then what about on. the like the fitness side? What do you. think we can do? I mean, beyond you. you've done a lot just talking about it. with your the size of your audience, you've probably got a lot of people off.

the couch, but what policies do you. think we could push that would get. people physically active, working out, moving again? >> Well, the real important thing is. community. The the easiest way to get. fit is to to get around a bunch of other. people that are also involved in the. same endeavor, right? If you have a. bunch of friends that are unhappy with. the way their life is, like just go walk. together. say, "Hey guys, let's all go. for a walk after dinner together, right? Let's all decide like as a neighborhood. to go walk. Just walk for a half an hour.

after your meals. It'll lower your. glycemic index. It'll change your body. It'll make you healthier. You'll feel. better. >> You know, it it just does so much for. you, just movement and activity. And if. you're involved with a group of people. that are also inclined in the same. direction, they're also trying to get. better, trying to get fit, then you kind. of you're, you know, you feed off of. your atmosphere. People imitate the. people that are around them and you get. support from the people that are around. them. You know, make it a little healthy.

competition. you know, who can, you. know, do the most exercise and who can. do the most, you know, what whatever it. is, like whether it's a sport or whether. it's a game or whether it's just. something that you enjoy doing that's. physically. physically taxing slightly. It doesn't. have to be a crazy kettle bell workout. or a jiu-jitsu class. Just take a just. take a walk. just just the if the world. if the United States or Canada or. anybody that's got problems with their.

health, just decided to start walking, right, every day for 20 minutes, it'll. change your life. >> Absolutely. >> And then add things to it. Add some body. weight squats, add some push-ups, skip a. little rope, do something, take a yoga. class. It'll change your life, >> right? >> Just absolutely. >> You need activity. The human body has. needs. And when it doesn't, those needs. are not met and you don't your. biological requirements aren't met, you. get develop anxiety, you get overweight, your your muscles atrophy, your bone. density decreases, you can't open up a.

jar anymore. There's all these problems. that can be solved with just simple. movement and activity. You don't have to. become a fitness nut. You don't have to. become a gym rat. You just do something. and that alone. And then change what you. eat. Drink more water. Stop drinking. soda. Stop stop stop drinking so much. alcohol. You know, stop eating processed. food. If we just slowly but surely get. this in people's heads. For the longest. time, people didn't think there was.

anything wrong with eating processed. food. They didn't think there was. anything wrong with they thought sugar. just gave you extra calories. That's it. They didn't realize the catastrophic. health consequences of consuming all. this sugar, the increase in type 2. diabetes, all these problems that are. people are having that people are having. because of poor diets and lack of. >> what's your theory though on how that h. why did that happen? Why did wh what. caused millions of people to shift their. diets away from good wholesome real food. towards the processed garbage?

>> Well, first of all, marketing, right? Um. and availability, right? the the the. they always say the center of the. grocery store is what you should avoid. because the center is all the stuff that. doesn't need to be refrigerated, right? Everything on the outskirts, all the. vegetables and the fruit and the meats. and the milk, that's all the stuff. that's healthy because it has to be. refrigerated because if it's not, it. goes bad. Things that can just sit on a. shelf, but things that sit on a shelf. forever, those are the things that are. the easiest to profit from because you. don't have to worry about storage. you.

don't have to worry about refrigeration. when you're processing or when you're. moving them and transporting them. You. know, just education is the most. important thing because there's a lot of. people that don't know how much their. diet impacts them. And then there's also. the problems that happen in this country. where the sugar industry literally bribe. scientists to pass the blame on. saturated fat and pretend that this was. the cause of all these heart issues that. people were having and all the obesity. that it was just fat. So then people. started eating all these seed oil rich.

foods like mayonnaise or excuse me like. margarine and you know and corn oil and. canola oil all this. >> when it's better just to have tallow or. butter. >> Yes. It's like natural food. Your body. knows what to do with it. >> Yeah. And beef is like a superfood. A. nice fatty piece of beef. Best thing you. can eat. >> It's so good for you. >> You got iron, you've got fat, you've got. protein and creatine. It's all packed. into that one superfood. It is. And. people, there's a lot of people that. live very healthily off a carnivore.

diet. And that astounds people. They. don't understand it because they've been. pushed into this idea. Well, one of the. things they did in America that's great. is they reversed the food pyramid. Our. food pyramid was all grains at the. bottom. Was all wheat and grains, which. is like there's nothing wrong with. eating that as long as you're being. smart about it. You don't eat too much. of it. But if that's your primary diet, like guess what? Your insulin's going to. spike. You're going to be hungry all the. time. you're going to get fat. It's just. not good. It's not good to eat. >> When I cut the carbs out and I went.

basically uh into ketosis, um I felt. great because instead of having all the. ups and downs when my blood sugar was. down, >> when you're in ketosis, you um you. basically live off your fat stores. Yes. >> You have like a a consistent flow of. energy whenever you need it because and. I've obviously I've got some here and. and so uh I I feel lighter. I I have to. sleep less now. I don't have to sleep as. much because I don't I don't eat the big. heavy carbs any I cheat once in a while, but but the big heavy carbs that your. body breaks down, you gota you got to.

sleep more to work through all those. heavy carbs. So, >> you feel it when you eat them. I love. carbs, don't get me wrong. Like, I love. I'm Italian. I love spaghetti. I love. pizza. I love Italian subs. I love them. But I eat them sparingly. And when I eat. them, I feel it. I feel it. Like, it's. amazing while you're eating it. And then. you're like, >> you got hit with a tranquilizer dart. It's just not good. It's not good for. you. If I eat a steak, I feel great. If. I eat a steak, I don't feel. I don't feel in any way tired after I'm.

done. I don't feel exhausted, like. completely full. Also, they have a high. satiety rate. Like, if you eat just. steak, you're only going to eat what you. need. Like this, your body knows when to. stop. But if there's mashed potatoes. next to this steak and spaghetti next to. this steak and bread and all these other. things, you're just going to keep. eating. and cake and butter and ice or. not butter, but like cake and ice cream. and all this other you're going to keep. eating and you're going to consume. excess calories. >> But beef is really expensive now. Like.

it's really hard to put a steak on your. plate. Uh these for the average guy, it's it's insane. It's twice as. expensive of pork in Canada right now. >> Well, there's also this dumb narrative. that cows are responsible for climate. change, which is just absolutely insane. And whoever started promoting that needs. to go to jail cuz it's you've done a. terrible disservice to people, especially regenerative farming. That's, you know, actually sequesters carbon. >> Absolutely. >> And it's it's healthy for you. >> No, the the farming the ranchers in my.

area are fantastic. They produce an. incredible product. We've got the the. the North America has the smallest. cattle herd since 1951 this year. >> That's nuts. >> Very small herd. And that's why it's so. hard to get beef. >> Why is that? What? Um I think uh I think. there's been a demand spike in the last. couple of years. Um beef prices were low. for long. So a lot of ranchers got out. of it. They just said we can't I can't. stay in this business losing money every. year. And then all of a sudden prices. started to go up and uh and moods have.

changed a lot on beef even in the last 3. four years. So now they're trying to. keep up with the demand. But um I'd like. I'm happy to see the the ranchers doing. well, but I'd sure like to see middle. class families to be able to afford to. have beef again. Um but you know, back. my theory on one of the reasons why the. marketing has shifted towards all this. processed crap, and this goes back to my. obsession, which is inflation. Because. what instead of just raising the prices, they downgrade the quality of the food.

They strip out the nutrients and they. inject garbage into our food. uh the the. the companies do that is ultimately less. nutritious, but it the price tag doesn't. necessarily look like it's changing. So, it's one of the more insidious ways that. the the system is able to charge you to. to to pass inflationary costs on without. you seeing it in that the price tag. that's underneath the product. >> They also engineer food to be. compulsive, like you're more compulsive.

to overeat. Yeah, sure. Especially like. chips and stuff like that. America, >> what country do you think does nutrition. the best around the world? >> Well, that's a good question. Um, well, Japan has one of the lowest obesity. rates, right? And when you look at. Japanese food, like what is it? It's. like fish and rice and vegetables and. it's it's they don't use glyphosate, I. don't think. I think I think the way. they process their wheat is very. different than ours. you know, we have. uh higher glycem we we have higher.

gluten in our wheat because so like we. have more complex glutens in our wheat, so we have higher yield and then on top. of that they dry all the wheat out with. glyphosate at the end which is [ __ ]. terrible for you. >> Interesting. >> And they were trying to ban that in. America, but then Trump passed an. executive order u stopping it. So this. is one of the things that Kennedy kind. of ran on is that he wanted to stop the. ubiquitous use of glyphosate. >> Okay? >> And especially glyphosate, you know,

used with wheat to dry it out. So it's. not used uh as an herbicide. It's used. to dry out the wheat at the end so that. it doesn't get moldy, >> which is crazy. You're spraying poison. on wheat. And most Americans, if you. test them, have glyphosate in their. blood, you know, and the apologists will. say, "Oh, but it's at safe levels.". Well, we don't even really know what. that means. You We're talking about. decades and decades of of consuming this.

stuff. That can't be good. I mean, it. literally kills plants. It it destroys. gut bacteria. It can't be good. It would. would be better. When you eat overseas, like if I eat pasta or bread in in. Italy, it you feel better. It doesn't. kill you like it does in America. It. doesn't like you don't get that same. feeling. >> Interesting. I didn't know I don't know. anything about glyphosate, but um one of. the things I. >> Do you guys use glyphosate in Canada? >> I don't know anything about it. I I feel. bad saying that, but I should do my. homework on that one. I.

>> We have corn that's engineered to. survive glyphosate. We have Roundup. ready corn. So So that you could spray. glyphosate on the corn that kills all. the other things that you don't want. growing. >> Okay. But how is that how can that be. good? Like most like they they did a. test of uh California wines and what was. the number? It was like some. preposterous number of California wines. tested positive for glyphosate. >> In the high 90s, I think.

>> Okay. >> Which is just nuts. >> Yeah. I don't know anything about. glyphosate. I have to admit my research. You've piqued my curiosity. The problem. is in America, our food system is. entirely dependent on it at this point. You know, they want to change it. And so. there's a lot of strategies. One of them. is there they they have these machines. that use lasers. And these lasers go. over a field and actually target the. weeds. So instead of spraying poison on. them, they just zap these weeds and they.

can identify the difference between the. weed and the crop. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> That's incredible. >> Yeah. The wine was 10 out of 10 tested, but this. >> 10 out of 10. >> I was looking at the Japanese obesity. thing. They have an interesting law that. they put in place in 2008 where I. believe it says workplaces have to. measure people's waists of adults over. 40 to find out if they're potentially. overweight. >> Wow. >> Those people don't get fined. The. companies get fined. So, they have to. then provide them counseling, diet. advice, exercise guidance, etc.

>> Wow. >> And they also use a lower BMI than we. do. There theirs starts at 25. It says. it's because they have a higher risk in. Asian populations for. uh obesity. >> Interesting. I wonder why that is. >> I wonder if that's because of a lot of. rice consumption. >> Way lower. 46 4 to 6% compared to 42%. >> Wow, that's crazy. Their obesity rates. are 4 to 6%. And we're 42.

42 is nuts. 42 is so crazy. >> Try to find out what the Japanese are. doing. My next stop has got to be Tokyo. >> Yeah. Well, they eat healthy food, you. know, and and that but that does make. sense. I mean, implementing something. like that, it sounds very restrictive, you know? I mean, I don't want to tell a. guy he can't have a gut. Like, I I have. a lot of friends that are fat and I love. them to death. I'd like them to be. healthy, but I wouldn't, you know, I. don't believe you should have that kind. of control over people. I think you.

should encourage healthy behavior. I. don't think you should mandate it. >> Yeah, we need we need carrots, not. sticks. Carrots literally. >> Literally. >> But the the system is like um you know, I think of the opioid thing. That's an. incredible story. Really? >> That's a horrible story. That's a. horrible story. And you know, the fact. that no one's going to jail for that is. infuriating. what they did and what the. the deception that they use to pretend. that that stuff is not addictive, that. it's not the same as heroin is just.

absolutely atrocious. And the fact that. they got away with it and that the. Sackler family, just that one family, I. don't know if you ever seen the Netflix. docky drama series. Yeah. >> Painkiller or what was it? Was it called. Painkiller? >> They're the guys from Purdue, right? >> Purdue Pharma. I think they were Purdue. Pharma if I'm not mistaken. I mean, how. many lives were destroyed by that? >> Well, a half a million ended in the US. >> Yeah. At least.

>> 50,000 in Canada. We lo we lost more. people in the last 10 years to opioid. overdoses than we lost fighting in the. Second World War. >> And God, that's so crazy. And we, you. know, these companies, I mean, it. started in the states with Purdue and uh. a number of others where they basically. started lying to the system and paying. they actually paid bonuses to. distributors for every overdose they. caused. They tracked the overdoses and. then paid bonuses to distributors.

because that was an indicator of how. successfully they were pushing the drugs. onto doctors and pharmacists and the. system. This all came all came out in. the in the court uh because there was a. huge lawsuit. >> and they the companies had to pay $50. billion because of an American. government lawsuit against them, but. they actually paid bonuses for overdose. rates. >> That's true. >> That's insane. >> It's wild. And they they basically they. were very very strategic. They said, "We're going to go to workingclass.

neighborhoods where there's huge. unemployment." So, you know, in the rust. belt of America where people were out of. work and they obviously had some minor. industrial injuries and said, you know, this will solve every ache and pain. Take Oxycontton. And it felt great when. they first started taking it. And then. it spread into Canada as well. And then. it mutated in from Oxycontton into. fentinyl, which is 100 times more. powerful than heroin. It can stop your. your lungs in 15 seconds. Just.

absolutely deadly. And uh we you know. these companies these dirt bag companies. should be paying uh hundreds of billions. of dollars to cover the treatment and. recovery of the people whose lives have. been ruined by this. >> Well, it's just insane that they only. had to pay a percentage of the amount of. money that they profited. >> And. >> it is insane. They should have gone to. jail. >> They should have gone to jail. They. should have had to pay first of all give. all the money back. >> Yeah. >> I mean what you did was unbelievably.

evil. Absolutely. >> And you were allowed to profit from it, which is crazy. >> Even the Sackler family, the amount that. they got fined was a small percentage of. what they actually made. >> I don't know how people live with. themselves when they do that. >> They're sociopaths. They have to be. >> They basically got into the entire. system, the health care system, the. medical accum community, and they pushed. these over prescriptions. Um, and then. they got this crazy idea that they. pushed in places like Portland and. Seattle and San Francisco that the.

government should start giving out. opioids that are safer than the ones. that are on the street as an alternative. to keep people from having contaminated. drugs, which made the problem even worse. because those the the addicts would sell. those to kids so that they could buy the. harder stuff off the street and it. expanded it even more. And um so one of. the things we're focused on in my plan. is is massive treatment and recovery. programs to get people off drugs. Abstinence-based treatment is. incredible. It gets very successful and.

uh we're saving lives now in Canada. You. get them in, you get them counseling, group therapy treatment, uh sweat lodges. for First Nations, uh people's um. physical exercise is a big part of it. I. went to one treatment center in. Saskatchewan and they actually bought. these rusted out weights and they had. they had the guys like lifting weights. and the bureaucrats are saying, "Well, why are you spending my money on. weights? What does that have to do with. it?" He says, "What's then the best. thing we had?" These guys started to see. their biceps grow and they're like, "I. want to look like this and if I take. drugs, I'm not going to look like this.".

So, it was one of the the best things. they did. Um, then you get them into. jobs and treatment and uh there's one. guy that uh I met in BC, he he was going. to kill himself. He drove his car into a. brick wall because he was so ruined by. his addiction, but he didn't die. He. couldn't even pull it off. So, he. actually went into treatment, turned his. life around, started a business. He's. got six employees, and now he's going. out on the street and like helping, you. know, pulling guys off the street and. bringing them in and saving their lives. So, uh it's actually a really hopeful.

ending to the story if we can get to. shift all our resources over to. treatment and recovery services, which. is one of my big uh objectives. >> Are you aware of Ibagane? No. >> So, former Republican governor of Texas. Rick Perry is involved in this Ibegan. initiative here in Texas. And one of the. things that they found, you know, he. works very closely with veterans and uh, you know, obviously a lot of these guys, they come back from the war, they have. PTSD, they have a lot of pain, they get. addicted to pills, and then they have an.

incredibly difficult time getting off of. it. And there's a treatment called. Ibagane. And Ibagane comes from the. aboga tree. It's uh like a natural. psychedelic that has no recreational. use whatsoever. It's not fun and it's. it's apparently a brutal 24-hour. experience, but it rewires the brain, stops the pathways of addiction. And. just one I gain treatment, one session,

the amount of people that never go back. to using those drugs is in the 80%. >> Really? >> When they do two sessions, it's in the. '9s. >> Wow. >> It's incredible. So, they're. implementing it here. And Rick Perry, who was like a staunch anti-drug. hardline Republican guy, great guy, but. realized from talking to these veterans, >> maybe you have to have an open mind and. look at this. We have this blanket term. that we use for drugs and we say, "Oh, I.

gain a drug. You don't want to take. drugs." But this psychedelic, this. Ibagane, apparently it it's like a. 24-hour review of your life that in some. way, some chemical way, rewires your. system and stops the pathways of. addiction. >> It's like a factory reset. >> Yes. >> Wow. >> Yes. >> That's crazy. >> And so they're starting to implement it. here in Texas and they're going to use. it. >> So they studied this or they've done. like a And they've done is it approved.

like as a treatment or what? Well, it's. being approved here in Texas and they're. trying to do it in other places. And I. know uh a friend of mine, my friend Ed. Clay, he started a center down in. Mexico. And the reason why he did it was. because he got hooked on pills. He hurt. his back. He got hooked on pills. He had. to figure out how to get off of it. And. he did one ibagane session, got clean. really. >> and was like, I need to educate people. and help people with this. And we start. this system. >> and you know, and it's very successful. I know multiple people that have done it.

and especially veterans that have done. it and had profound changes in their. life because of this. >> Amazing. >> Yeah. And again, there's no recreational. use for this. There's no chance of. abusing it. Okay. >> It's not fun. Like to get people to do. it twice is very hard. Okay. >> But even doing it once, but if you do. it, it's incredibly effective. Much more. effective than any other form of. therapy. >> Really? Yes. >> Okay. Well, I'll have to look out for. that one cuz we need it. We still have a. challenge up in Canada. >> I can connect you with Rick Perry and.

he's he's him and Brian Hubbert are. incredible with their the advocacy and. the the promotion of this what they've. done is really amazing. >> Yeah, we got to we got to get uh get. people off these drugs and uh you know. we're we're doing we're making some good. progress in Canada. Um our biggest. challenges are are just the long-term. aftermath of the opioid uh problem like. you have had down here. But um but like. I think uh I think we can overcome it.

and uh we have to try some new things in. order to get people off these things cuz. they're because it's when you're doing. fentinol it's it's Russian roulette. It. could be you might not have more than a. day to live if you're still taking that. stuff. So. >> it's so dangerous. >> It's in everything. It's in so many. different um street versions of pills. that people think are safe like Xanax. There's like illegal Xanax like street. Xanax and there's fentinyl in them. People take it and they die. >> Right. Absolutely. I've met so many. mothers. They just come up to me at my.

rallies and things and they tell me the. story and they show me a picture and you. say, "Man, it's a beautiful child. That. child looks healthy and smart and she. went to a party and they were handing. the [ __ ] out." And. >> there's a high school kid here in town. that took uh street aderall and it had. fentinel in it and he died. >> Is that right? >> Yeah. Somebody sold them what he thought. was aderall. Look, that's what killed. Prince. That's what killed Tom Petty. >> Aderal. >> No. No. Fentinel. Fentinyl. >> They got street drugs from someone like. they're both in pain and they they.

become addicted to the pills and then. they got like a pill from a roadie. >> I didn't know that. >> And took it and died. >> I didn't know that. Petty, did he sing. uh Last Dance? >> Last Dance for Mary Jane. Yeah. >> Right. That's really sad. >> Oh, he sung a bunch of amazing songs. American Girl. I mean, Tom Petty was a. legend and died because of fentanyl. Prince is one of the great musical. genius of of human history. >> And fentanyl got him too. died from. fentanyl. He had hip pain. He needed a. hip replacement. His hip was blown out. and he was in agony all the time. So, he.

started taking pills and then next thing. you know, you're hooked. >> I've had family members that got hooked. on it. >> Is that right? Did they get through it? >> Well, one of them didn't. Yeah. I mean, he he hurt his back doing construction. and started taking pills and now he's a. waste. >> That's the sad thing. That's the sad. thing is it's they're good people and. they're not lawbreaking people. Often. it's folks who work in physically. demanding jobs, they get an injury. >> and uh it's easy to judge, but when. you're in excruciating pain and you find.

something that makes it go away, it's. understandable. >> Also, if you're not educated in these. subjects and you just trust the doctor, you go to a doctor and the doctor says. you need pain medication and then all of. a sudden you're on it. >> You know, >> it's it's easy to see how people get. locked into that and and then they can't. break loose. So, The pathway to physical. addiction is it's so well known and. studied. It's very very addictive, which. is why it's so horrific that they. actually promoted the fact that these.

things are not addictive when they were. promoting them. >> No, they knew exactly what they were. doing. They were absolute crooks. And. I'm hoping we get big settlements out of. them the way you did down here. And I. want to put all that money into. treatment and recovery. Get people off. these drugs and rescue them. I think we. can save these lives. The treatment, it. works. It It's tough. Like the people. who go through it, they say it's it was. the worst experience of my life to go. through that withdrawal, but it can be. done and you come out stronger on the. other side. >> It can be done. And and I think the most. important thing is prevention and and.

education and letting kids know like, hey, this is not what you want to get. involved with. You want to have a happy, successful life, this is going to stop. that. This is going to keep you from. having this might kill you and it's. definitely going to ruin you. >> Yeah. But you're right about fitness. though cuz when I was young I I I hung. around with a lot of people who got into. a lot of trouble and I could have ended. up there. The reason I didn't frankly is. sports. So I I had something else to. drive me. So it's one of the reasons why. we need to get our young people active. in sporting activities when they're in.

that age group because if you're not. giving them an outlet then they'll end. up down that scary path. >> Oh 100%. And also you realize that if. you want to be effective in sports like. you can't party. It's like it'll rob you. of your vitality. you of your performance. >> No, I when I played hockey and I I. showed up a few times hung over and I. was just [ __ ] Like I was terrible. But. uh you learned pretty quick that you got. to be on your game. So we've got to. promote more of the fitness at the at. the youth level as well. And um and is. that happening here? It's funny. I.

remember when I came down here um as a. 16-year-old. I haven't been here in 30. years. Um, I uh we we got into town and. the people who were hosting us uh were. driving us to their home and we saw this. stadium and there's like 20,000 people. and it was in Houston and I said, "Is. that the Cowboys playing?" And they. said, "No, no, that's that's a high. school league." It's like, "Oh, okay. In. Canada, we don't have high school. leagues with 20,000 people coming out.". >> But um but the sports are so massive.

here. >> Oh, football is gigantic here. It's a. religion. Yeah, it's incredible. >> Crazy. And. >> who do you cheer for, by the way? >> In in Texas. >> Yeah. You personally? >> Well, I I've got into UT football. >> Okay. >> I really love uh going to the UT games. It's uh it's so fun and it's so they're. so enthusiastic and they they just love. it. It's like when you're a part of it, when the touchdowns get scored and. everybody's cheering, it's like it's. it's so contagious, right? It's really.

amazing. And it's just like the. enthusiasm they have for it. It's like. you're like, "Wow." Like, "This is a. great these people love this here." But. I've I've been to high school football. games and it's the same thing. Like pack. stadiums for high school football games. and you're like, "This is nuts, man. These people love their sports.". >> We're like that for hockey in Canada. Oh, yeah. It is serious. Serious. Like. parents are very fixated. And I think I. think it's actually a good thing. Some. people say, "Oh, it's terrible." I think. it's great to have parents that are. competitive because they're pushing. their kids to be better and more. excellent. And even if they don't end up. as NHL hockey players, it gives them the.

comp competitive ed. And I want us to be. a more competitive society. >> Well, when I was a kid, I I worked at. the Boston Athletic Club. Um and uh one. of the people that I I was a fitness. instructor when I was 19, and one of the. people that I worked with was Bobby. Orur. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Bobby or used to come there and. train him. We used to have to help him. get on the Versa Climber machine because. his body was so wrecked. Really? >> He had so many surgeries. His knees were. so destroyed. He had scars all up and.

down his knee because he he had knee. surgery back when they were just. experimenting. You know, they didn't. really know how to fix knees. They just. cut you open, screwed things back. together again, and then it would blow. apart again, and then you'd wind up. having another surgery. So, he had many, many knee surgeries, and he could barely. walk, >> but he was still doing some kind of. physical activity. >> Yeah, he was playing raetball. He was. >> How old was he at the time? This was 1986.

So I mean. >> geez that's like what 40 years ago now? >> Uhhuh. Yeah. So he was. you know he was probably in his 50s 40s. or 50s. He was but he was he could. barely walk. I mean he his knees didn't. straighten out. >> really. >> They they were always like slightly bent. and they only bent that much. His range. of motion was very small. So you had to. help him like get on machines. but the. nicest guy and a legend. Like you. couldn't believe he was really there. >> Like he he would walk into the the gym.

and you're like, "Oh my god, really?" As. I was 19, I never met a famous person. and I was like, "That's Bobby or. >> absolutely. >> this is nuts." But it also made me. realize like, boy, knee surgery is no. joke. Like this guy was like an. incredible athlete and now he can't even. straighten his leg out. >> Yeah. It's all temporary. You got to. take care of yourself. >> Yes. Do you do you have like residual. injuries from fighting back in in the. day? >> Oh yeah. Yeah. I've had three knee. surgeries, two reconstructions. >> Was that from taekwond do?

>> Yeah. And jiu-jitsu. One of one of my. ACL injuries was from uh jiu-jitsu. >> And what uh like what injuries are the. most common in jiu-jitsu? >> Knees, backs, necks, shoulders. Those. are the big ones. Elbows. >> Is that because of the the arm bars and. all that stuff? >> Yeah. Not tapping. That's a big one. A. lot of a lot of guys get hurt just. because their ego because they don't. want to tap. >> And you don't you don't strike me as the. type of guy who taps very quickly. >> Well, when I was younger, I was really. stupid and I I wasn't into tapping. >> Right.

>> But, uh, as I got older, I got a lot. smarter. Fortunately, I got a lot. better. So, I wasn't like in a situation. where I had to tap a lot, but if I did, I did. I just tapped. And that's the. smart thing to do. And I would tell. people, treat it like you're playing. basketball. Don't treat it like it's. your life or death. The game is life or. death. The game is if a guy gets you in. an arm bar, he's essentially breaking. your arm. If he breaks your arm, he can. kill you, right? >> That's the game. But don't treat it like. that. Treat it like you can tap and keep.

going. Or you can not tap and your arm's. going to be destroyed maybe for the rest. of your life. >> Right. >> And I've seen that happen with people. where they're their forearm snaps and. they have to have plates in it and then. it's a chronic injury for the rest of. their life. >> Right. Yeah. No, I can imagine that. And. what about in in taekwond do like you. you told the story once about how you. really clocked a guy. I think it was a. real kick or something. >> and that like freaked you out. >> That changed my whole outlook on. fighting because I realized that could. happen to me. And I I had knocked people. out before, but I'd never knocked.

anybody out where they didn't get up. Like usually they get up and they're. wobbly and you know they get sat down. and the you know medics take care of. them and you know after a while they're. walking around and this guy never got up. and I never really got over that. I. never had the same u lust for hurting. people cuz it was just I was young you. know I was 19 and when you're 19 you. think you're invincible or you don't you. don't think about the consequ I knew I. could get hurt. I've been hurt before.

I'd been kicked really hard and punched. really hard before. I knew I was. vulnerable, but I didn't think there. would going to be anything permanent. >> Did the guy ever get out of the. hospital? >> I don't know. Really? >> I don't know what happened to him. >> Well, maybe. >> I don't know what happened to him. >> Maybe he'll hear the show and give you a. call and say that he's all right. >> Oh, no. No. He probably don't want to. talk to me. >> Well, your your spinning back kick is. incredible. I saw you and GSP doing that. uh video where you were showing him how. to do the back kick. Yeah. >> Did he ever use that in a fight? >> Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He landed.

it. >> Yeah, he used it a lot. It's a thing. that like. >> it you have to almost grow up doing it, >> right? >> You know, unless you're deal like Jon. Jones developed it later in his career. >> I saw that he wizard, but he kind of. like started implementing it uh like. like sort of three two/3 through through. his career. Did you teach him how to do. that? >> No. No, I did not. He worked with a taco. with no coach in Albuquerque. >> Okay. and uh he just really worked on. that one technique specifically when he. went up to heavyweight because the guys. would be first of all less agile and. mobile and also it was the kind of.

technique where he could stop a guy with. one shot right. >> and when you're a guy who's smaller than. most heavyweights which John is because. he was a light heavyweight so he was. fighting at 205 most of his career and. just as a challenge decided to go up to. heavyweight but he's so intelligent he. realized like I need a one shot that I. could put people away so he spent hours. and hours every week just going over the. spinning back kick. >> Really? To the body or the head? >> Yeah, the body. >> The body. >> Yeah. It's like getting hit by a car, >> right? You with that sp like a wheel.

kick to the head is really difficult to. develop. That's It's like a fast twitch. thing that it's almost like your body. has to evolve and grow doing that to. really develop the kind of speed that. you could pull it off on a skilled. opponent in a fight. the accuracy like. to try and time that all that must be. incredible. >> I mean there's there's there's freak. athletes that could pick it up later in. life. There's some people that are just. really good at everything. They just. have amazing dexterity and coordination. and but for most people you like I.

learned it when I was a kid. So like my. body matured doing those things. My body. matured kicking and it became a part of. like just my average like normal. movement of life, >> right? You know. >> that's amazing. Uh, and uh, the the. spinning back kick though, uh, is it. typically a body kick you throw? Is that. >> when you throw I've thrown it to the. face, too? Especially a jump spinning. back kick to the face. >> Wow. >> But, um, the the. >> Wasn't it really the Koreans that. developed so they could actually kick a.

man off a horse in war? Is that why the. kicks are so high? >> I don't think so. I think it was just. cuz they were they're smaller in stature. and they realized that you had to have. more powerful kicks. >> Okay. >> You know, like cuz your legs are always. carrying your body around. There's a lot. more mass to your muscles and your legs. and there's a lot more force you can. generate with your kicks. >> Did you ever see the fight between Rick. Rufus and that Muay Thai guy? Oh yeah. >> Wasn't that incredible? >> Yeah, that changed kickboxing. We've. we've showed that fight a hundred times.

on this podcast. >> It's amazing because it was like. Americans versus Thai and. >> but we didn't really understand leg. kicks, right? >> Because PKA karate and I found this out. later because of Benny Eritz who came in. the podcast. He told me that the reason. why they didn't allow leg kicks in PKA. karate was because of Bill Wallace. So. Bill Superfoot Wallace famously had one. leg that he kicked with. It was cuz his. other leg, he had a bad knee, right? >> And he didn't want anybody kicking his. legs. >> Interesting. >> So he promoted this idea that only have.

above the waist kicks, >> right? >> And that's what we had in America. Like. that's what Johnny Etero fought most. >> That's right. He did. He fought Rufus. himself actually. >> Yes. Yeah. No, that that that was. incredible because if you looked at the. the art form, Rufus was so much more. beautiful to watch than the tie guy. He. came in, he sp he broke the guy's jaw in. the first round, I think. Hey, he. knocked him down a few times. Was it. once or twice? >> He knocked him down a couple times, I. believe. But it was really. >> And the guy just kept chopping his leg.

and and then I think he he went out in a. in a stretcher because his leg was. busted in like nine places or something. >> He didn't know what to do. He didn't. understand it. What was really. interesting is his brother Duke became a. Muay Thai world champion after that. fight. >> Was that the Was that the the guy who. was at the fight commenting after the. fight? Yes, I remember that. >> He was saying it doesn't take any. >> There's no skill. Yes, I remember that. >> Well, he he was embarrassed by that. later in his life because he became one. of the top MMA trainers. >> Really? And he he took on Muay Thai. >> Yes. Well, he became a Muay Thai world. champion and he developed Rufus Sport,

which is a great gym in Milwaukee. A top. gym. Developed world champions like. Anthony Pettis. So he was uh you know he. was a pioneer. It was one of the guys. that had to figure it out and you know. he spent time in Thailand. They all they. all learned it. They had to learn. >> because it was. >> Where's the best place in Thailand to. go? Is it Fuket? Is it Bangkok? Like. where? >> Oh, there's so many good places. Thailand's the real motherland of Muay. Thai obviously. And it's like, you know, um Phuket's amazing. Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so. many amazing gyms that are in uh in.

Thailand. >> They're tough. There's whole strips in. Phuket. My wife and I were there on. vacation once and we just stumbled on. this whole street. >> and uh you could do there was sort of. Americanstyle boxing. There was there. was a CrossFit type thing. Then there. was that Tiger Muay Thai and a bunch of. other Muay Thai facilities. And then. there's there's like street vendors that. would were were cooking meals. specifically for people who are there. training. Um, like you could buy a. beautiful hard-boiled eggs and and.

avocado and uh chicken strips and this. is like high protein just catered to the. people who come from around the world to. train for like five, six weeks in a in a. clinic. >> And there's people that do it just. recreationally. My friend Mark, he's uh. he's a businessman. He's in his 60s and. he did it. >> He went over to Thailand. >> Did he survive? >> Yeah, he trained. He spars all I saw him. the other day. He had a black eye. He's. in his 60s. I'm like, what are you. doing, man? So if you were starting from. scratch, you and you wanted to be a MMA, would you do like you go to uh Thailand.

and do a do like a two months there and. then go to Dagistan to learn how to. wrestle? Is that would that be the best. combo? >> If you were starting out, if you're a. kid, I would say wrestling. Wrestling is. number one. Yeah, that's the most. important thing to learn because if a. guy can take you down, he could do. whatever he wants to. If he could take. you down and hold you down and beat you. up, >> if you don't know how to wrestle, you. can't fight. Right. You needed at least. to learn wrestling just to understand. wrestling take down defense. >> But you did jiu-jitsu later in life, didn't you? >> Yes. >> Right. >> I didn't start jiu-jitsu till I was 29,

I think. >> Yeah. And who who do you like right now? Who do you think is the most interesting. fighter to watch these days? >> Oh, there's so many. It's impossible to. say the most interesting. There's a guy. uh from Spain, Ilia. >> Yeah. I really like Tapora. He's. what David Gogggins calls uncommon. amongst uncommon men. >> Want some more coffee? >> No, no, thank you. I'm good. Thank you. He's a freak. I mean, he's just. incredibly talented. >> Weird. Weirdly talented. Like his last.

three fights, he knocked out three. all-time greats. >> Holloway. >> Yeah. Holloway, Alexander, um um uh and. um. uh Charles Olivera. So that's crazy. Vulcganowski, who's like one of the. greatest featherweights of all time, knocked him out, knocked out Max. Holloway, another one of the greatest. featherweights of all time. And then. Charles Olivera, one of the greatest. lightweights of all time. He knocks out. three guys in three fights. There's no.

one has a resume like that. >> And he's not like, as I understand, he. was a Greco Roman guy, right? >> And he became a boxer later on. >> He's just How do you describe? How do. you describe. like so I'm I'm not I'm not. knowledgeable in this area, but it the. way he he almost looks like he has a. Philly shell. >> Is that a Philly shell what he does with. >> a little bit of that? Well, he has. amazing defense. It's just amazing. awareness and he pattern recognition, technique. It's he's like he's a.

combination of all things, right? incredible confidence, incredible. intelligence, insane discipline, work. ethic, but just uh great training. methods. Like he does everything right. And then insane confidence. Like his. confidence is insane. He when he fought. Charles Olivera for the lightweight. title, he celebrated his victory the. night before. He had a party to. celebrate the night before the fight and. then went out and knocked Charles out in. the first round and said he was going to. knock Charles out in the first round.

>> That's incredible. >> One punch. Boom. >> But you know what impresses me most. about him is how he got up after that. kick to the head he took. That was. incredible. And you know who else did. that was GSP. Remember when GSP took. that head and he went down but he. recovered quickly. >> and he was talking to me about how cuz I. said to him like in politics you get hit. you get hit right and not not physically. if you're lucky but but you have to be. able to get up quickly and react to it. And I asked him how did you do it? How. did you like how does your brain go from. taking that kind of hit to getting back.

in the fight and turning it around? And. he said he like it's t two very deep. breaths through the nose and then out. through the mouth and get some oxygen. back into your system and focus your. mind. I thought that was an incredible. lesson. >> Well, I mean it's all in how you get. kicked cuz you could just get knocked. out. >> and then it's over. >> There's nothing you could do. If you get. shut off, you get shut off and certain. people get shut off. It just you just. get kicked. You can get kicked and it. kind of glances off of you or you can. get kicked and it just slams right into.

the side of your neck and it the lights. go dark, >> right? But if you're if you're still. able to to recover and and think. quickly, it's incredible to have that. kind of pre-programming to ready you for. a moment like that. >> Well, I mean that's a big part of his. what I was talking about the the camp. that he comes from. I mean, Farasa Hab. is like one of the most intelligent and. one of the most brilliant trainers in. the sport. >> Who's this? >> Farasa Hobby. He's the guy from. Montreal. Tristar. >> So, he's the guy who trains just.

>> trains GSP. >> Oh, GSP. Okay. Yes. >> And I mean, I think that is that's a big. part of why GSP was able to recover. Like they prepare for everything, >> right? >> You know, it's like there's nothing left. to chance. Like he he hires people to. try to knock George out in training. That was one of the things he did. It. would give them more money if they could. knock him out. So they would just so he. would be like fully prepared, right, >> when he was fighting? Like they leave no. stone uncovered. >> Don't you have to like budget though the.

number of head shot. >> 100%. But he was pretty confident that. George I mean it wasn't like he was. doing this with a beginner. He was doing. this with a world champion, one of the. greatest of all time. He he you know he. wanted George to be in danger, >> you know. So George had to fight like he. was going to fight inside the octagon, >> right? >> In danger. Because John Jones said. somewhere that he had like every time he. gets hit hard in in camp, he's he said. like I just that that's part of my brain. budget that's that's been taken away. >> Well, that's why John's so smart. He he.

recognizes that there's a lot of people. that don't think that way. John also. famously won't take a fight on short. notice. >> Is that right? >> He wants to be fully prepared for a. fighter. Even a guy like when he fought. Chel Sunen, um they offered him a Chale. Sunen fight on short notice and he said. no. Like there is not a time, no. disrespect to Chale, he's a great. fighter. >> No, there's not a time on this life in. this earth where Chel Son is going to. beat Jon Jones. It's just not going to. happen. He could have taken that fight. on one day's notice and still beat Chale. Sun. He's that much better than him. But.

he still wouldn't take it. He's like, "No, I want to be fully 100% prepared.". >> That's smart, though. >> Yeah. Also, he hated Chale. And so he. wanted to make sure that there was not a. chance that Chale could do anything to. him that he would have been able to. wouldn't have been able to do if he was. trained. >> Do these guys hate each other. >> sometimes. >> Is it most of them do they respect or is. it depends on the fight? >> It really depend. Like when Ilia Tapora. fought um Charles Aivera, he actually. apologized to him before the fight. He. said, "I'm sorry. It has to be you. I.

really like you.". >> Kind of crazy. >> He's got to be careful though. hated. people, too. He's hated people he. fought, too. I mean, there's some people. that just rub you the wrong way. There's. some people there's strategies to get. inside your head and [ __ ] with you and. and for you to fight with emotion. >> Well, Habib with um. >> Conor McGregor. >> With McGregor, he he really hated. McGregor. He wasn't going to almost. didn't let go when the tap happened, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That was that was something else. Is. Conor ever going to come back, do you. think? >> Only Conor knows. I mean, if he's going.

to, he has to do it soon. I mean, I. think he's 30. How old is he now? 37. He. >> he's jacked now, eh? >> Yeah. Well, not anymore. >> Oh, he came back down. >> He was uh on the Mexican supplements for. a while. >> Okay. >> Because he was trying to uh recover from. his uh leg break, >> right? >> So, when he fought Dustin Porier, >> I remember that. >> he got on some stuff to try to recover. for that. I don't know what he got on, but clearly it helped. He got huge. He. got super jacked. The problem with.

getting super jacked like that is then. you get addicted to what got you super. jacked cuz you if you're on steroids you. feel like Superman, you know, you you. feel like you could just run through. walls and then you get off of it and now. your endocrine system has to kind of. catch up to the fact that you've been. giving it exogenous tech testosterone. for all these months and so that it. takes a long time for you to get back to. a normal healthy level so you feel like. [ __ ] It's hard for these guys to get. off of steroids, >> right? I can imagine you get addicted to. being that I.

>> I've never done it. I don't plan on it. >> How old is he? >> 37. >> 37. Almost 38. >> That's getting up there. Who's the. oldest fighter that's ever been in the. octagon? Like who's a serious. competitor? >> Probably Randy Couture. I think Randy. won the world title, the world. heavyweight title in his 40s. >> Wow. >> Yeah. But Randy didn't even start his. mix mixed martial arts career. I think I. think I was there at his first fight in. 1997 and I think he was 34 or 35 before.

he ever had uh an MMA fight. He was just. an elite wrestler who, you know, made. his way into MMA because, you know, there's no real professional outlet for. actual amateur wrestling. >> Did you ever interact with the Gracies? Because I remember way back in like I. remember MMA or UFC 2, it was the second. one. That was when it really kicked. First one was a little bit strange was. that big fat guy whose tooth went flying. out that. But number two was the one. with. >> Shamrock and uh Gracie and uh Dan.

Severn. Was he in number two? Dan Severn. the wrestler. >> I think he was later. >> It might have been three or four. >> Yeah. >> But that was kind of the first. generation. >> of big names. >> Oh, Hoy Gracie changed the world. >> Yeah. With his he was a slow style. though, man. Like you had to have. patience to watch him because he'd sit. he just lie on his back and wait, wait, wait, and enjoy. Well, with Dan Severn, he did because he he had to catch him in. a triangle, right? And he eventually. tapped him and no one even understood. what was going on. Like, why is he he's. got his legs wrapped around him. What.

the hell is going on? And then all of a. sudden, Dan Severn's tapping out. You're. like, this is crazy. So, a man who. weighed literally 100 pounds more than. him or close to it, >> right? On top of him and hoist beat him. >> Well, Dan Dan Severn didn't appear to. have any finishing moves. Like, he was. think I got you on your back. I've. pinned you. I've won the wrestling. match. It would kind of give you little. nuggies, knuckle sandwiches, >> but but then of course uh eventually. that anaconda comes in and either chokes. you out or takes your arm. >> Well, no one understood jiu-jitsu until. Hoist came around, you know, other dad,

wasn't it? His dad that introduced it to. the family. >> His dad and his uh uncle. So, it was it. was Carlos Gracie and Ilio Gracie who. were the real founders of Brazilian. jiu-jitsu and then Carlson Gracie. >> Okay. And those guys were the pioneers. And they were having no rules fights in. the 1930s and 40s. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> And did they bring it over from Japan? >> Um, Miada brought it over from Japan and. they taught the Gracies. And then um, you know, Ilio Gracie famously had a.

match with Kimura, who was a Japanese. judoka who broke Ilio's arm with a. kamura. And that's how that that. technique that's why it's called a. kimura. Really? >> Uh yeah, in catch wrestling they call it. a double wrist lock. >> Okay. >> But we call it a kamura because Kamura. broke Ilio Graciey's arm with this. Ilio. just refused to tap and it's like and. and eventually it snapped his arm. >> Wow. That's incredible. >> You know, they're having these long no. rules fights in Brazil long before.

anybody had any idea what MMA was in. America. And then Hoist's brother Hixon. who was the best out of all of them. Hixon was fighting people when he was 18. in like these big arenas really in. Brazil. Yeah. >> Unbelievable. And then they then I guess. Dana White brought it in with UFC and. >> No, it wasn't Dana. It was uh there. there was another organization before uh. Zufa owned the UFC and this other.

organization they started it with Hen. Gracie. So Hen Gracie was the guy who. founded the UFC. Okay. And originally. they were talking about putting like a. moat around the cage and having. crocodiles in it and [ __ ] They wanted. it to be like completely insane because. what it was for Hian, Hian's a brilliant. man. And what what for him what he. wanted was to promote jiu-jitsu and he's. like this is going to be the best way to. open up schools all over the country and. to show this art that my father had.

created. >> Right? So they had really taken some of. the ground techniques of judo and really. refined them to a razor sharp edge. And. and also one of the things that helped a. lot was that Ilio was a small man. He. was only like 145 lbs. And so he had to. use only technique and leverage. He. couldn't rely on brute strength. And so. it was one of the best sort of. advertisements is to have hoist who was. also fairly small. Oh, he's only 175. lbs. Beat all these big giant.

musclebound guys with pure technique cuz. they didn't understand what he was. doing. And he was like, "This is going. to be brilliant. This is going to" And. it worked. I mean, the the the name. Gracie and Jiu-Jitsu are synonymous. >> It's everywhere now. Like, we even have. them in Canada where these these schools. will have the Gracie name and obviously. they have no attachment to Gracie uh. your the Brazilian Gracies, but. everybody wants to learn the Gracie. style. Well, they probably do have a. like Gracie Baja, which is a huge uh. affiliate of gyms. They're all over the. country, the world. They're everywhere.

>> Are they good? >> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, there's like. it's very difficult to have a bad. jiu-jitsu gym today. >> Why is that? Because they're so. competitive. >> It's too competitive. There's too many. good people. There's too many good gyms. Like in Austin alone, Austin alone has. like 10 amazing jiu-jitsu schools. >> Is that right? Oh, yeah. >> Do you go Do you go enroll quite often? There's a place right up the street, 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu, which is the. school that I started with. Okay. >> In California. Well, I started with the. Mach. Well, I actually started with. Hicks and Gra I started. >> I started with Hicks and Gracie and then.

I went to Carlson Gracie and then I and. that was just cuz I didn't know there. was any difference in the Gracies and. then Carlson Gracie was closer to my. house. I like, oh, I'll go to this. Gracie place. It's closer. This is when. I was a white belt. I didn't know. anything. And then when they closed, when that gym closed, then I went to. Jeanjac Machadoo. And so I started. training there in 1998. And that was um. that was in uh the valley in California. Uh but then um one of John Jock's black. belts, my best friend Eddie Bravo, he. started 10th planet jiu-jitsu and then I.

I trained there as well. >> Okay. And in Canada with we see a lot of. places where they do Muay Thai and. jiu-jitsu. So you get your striking and. your grappling all in one. >> Ted Planet here has a Muay Thai program. Oh, >> is that right? So that's now a lot of. those gyms have that. >> And you went to your first as a. commentator. You did it like for free, didn't you? >> No. No, I I got paid in the early days. in the 90s in the in 1997, but it wasn't. much. I was losing money. But when the. UFC was purchased by Zufa in 2001, that.

was when I was on Fear Factor and I met. Dana White and I became friends with him. and he asked me as a favor to do. commentary on this one show that they. had, UFC 37 and a half. It was on Fox. Sports, whatever it was, the there was a. cable channel. So, it was best damn. sports show, period. Had this UFC show. and he said, "Would you do me a favor. and just do commentary on this one. event, right?". >> And I said, "Okay, I'll do it for this. one." Then he's like, "I want you to do. it again.".

>> And then I was like, "Okay." So, I I I. was like, I just wanted to do it for. fun. Like, for me, it's like I like. going to the fights and I like going. with my friends and having a good time. And I did like the first 15 of them for. free. I just they I knew they were. hemorrhaging money and I didn't need any. money. >> But you loved it. You love being there. It was like a kid in a candy store. >> Well, also was very happy to try to. promote this thing because for me it was. the ultimate expression of martial arts. Like we need to find out what's the best. style, right?

>> And I had kind of I had been so. engrossed in that world in Japan with. Pride and all these other organizations. that they had over there. And. >> it's like what happens if an alligator. fights with a tiger? What happens when a. lion fights with a bear? We got to match. them up and find out. >> Well, it's humans versus humans. So, it's just style. because you didn't want to waste your. time doing something that didn't work. And there was a lot of people that waste. their time doing stuff that didn't work. >> And we didn't really know what that was. until the UFC came along. And then we're.

like, oh. And now the evolution of. martial arts from 1993 when the UFC. started to 2026. In those years, martial arts have evolved more than they. have in the last 30,000 years. >> Right. Well, it's like the the gap. between theory and practice. Yes. >> And like uh Bruce Lee when he when he he. started Wing Chun, but he said that a. lot of it was just or ornamental. And he. called it dryland swimming.

>> It's like, you know, you wouldn't. actually do that in a fight. And then he. got into a lot of um contention with the. the scholars of the art form. It's a. very beautiful art form, Wing Chung, but. I don't know if it I can't imagine it. works that well in fight. >> It is Wing Chong is effective. There's a. lot of techniques. >> If you got into a fist fight between. like a Muay Thai guy and a Wing Chung. guy, who would come out on. >> the Muay Thai guy, but it doesn't mean. that Wing Chong's not effective. And you. could use Wing Chong in Muay Thai or in. an MMA fight. But you have to know. everything. That's the reality of it.

It's like taekwondo. Like taekwondo is. not effective by itself in an MMA fight. But if you know MMA and you know. taekwondo, then you could do like what. Edson Barbosa did to Terry Edam and. knock him out with a wheel kick in. spectacular fashion. Like. has like a big blend, right? Like you. get some some Muay Thai, some karate, some. >> Yes. >> That's what MMA is. Mixed martial arts. I mean it's like you take all and that's. Bruce Lee's philosophy. Absorb what's. useful. I mean, he was the real first.

mixed martial artist and when it was. very dangerous to do that because people. hated him. I mean, they would attack. him. He would have he would have to have. fights with people because they they. thought that he was disrespecting their. art, >> right? >> You know, and he combined western boxing. and wrestling. He learned judo from Gene. Leel. He learned things from everybody. He learned karate, sav. He learned all. these different martial arts and was. absorbing what's useful and putting his. own. So J Kundo his style was really the.

first mixed martial arts style. >> Is that right? >> Yeah. >> Do people use it anymore? >> Well, yeah. There's J Kundo schools. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I mean a lot of. what Krab Magazi martial art is like. kind of a a combination of things along. the same lines of the way Bruce Lee did. it. >> Is it is Krab Mra a good effective. martial arts system? >> Every martial art system is effective if. you have a great instructor. Okay. >> Right. But on their own, like the best.

styles are the really strong styles like. jiu-jitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling. Those. are the best sty western boxing. Those. are the best styles on their own. Okay. But what Krab Magga is is a combination. of all those styles. And so if you have. a great instructor in Krab Magga, yeah, you'll you'll learn great Muay Thai, you'll learn great jiu-jitsu, you it's. essentially mixed martial arts, but with. a lot of emphasis on real world. application, street fights, you know, dirty stuff like eye gouging, you know, poking people in the eye, kicking them.

in the nuts. Yikes. >> Stuff that works. But that's what you. like. You see it in an MMA fight all the. time. A guy gets poked in the eye. He's. like, "Hey, hang on." And he has to. stop. Like punched and it's against. rules. So, this guy's getting punched. and kicked. And look, Tom Aspenol, he. was in the heavyweight title fight and. he got eye poked in the first round. He's had to have two surgeries since. then on his eyes and he hasn't been able. to fight. They had to stop the fight in. the first round from an eye poke. >> My god. >> It's very effective. But in crowd mag, they're like go for the eyes. Bang. Cuz.

in a real world fight for your life. scenario technique. I mean, it's for the. Israeli military I think. >> Exactly. So they have to prepare for, you know, unusual situations where where. you're trying to survive in a in a, you. know, a situation where your arm has. been your your weapon has been removed. and you're and you're just trying to. fight for your life. >> Exactly. Well, just in your in a. situation with hand handtoh hand combat, you need to learn how you need to know. every you need if a guy takes you down, you can't be lost. Oh, we have to get. back up so I can fight. No, you have to. be able to fight on the ground. And.

that's the idea of it. like incorporate. jiu-jitsu, incorporate leg kicks, Muay. Thai, western boxing, even jundo. techniques, even wing chong techniques. There's a lot of hand trapping and. things in Wing Chong that can be very. >> It looks really cool what they do with. that wooden uh that wooden uh dummy. It looks. >> Exactly. >> I've never really got into that, but if. you do get into that, you'll learn. blocking techniques and you'll learn. >> that actually work. >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay. But you they'll work if you know.

the other stuff. They won't work if a. guy just shoots a double on you and. takes you down and starts pounding you. You don't know what to do when you're on. the bottom, right? You have to know how. to and this is what really MMA has. taught the world. It's like you have to. be able to defend yourself everywhere. Standing up on the ground, you have to. be effective in all the realms, >> right? But still, we have a lot of. people that are pure specialists that do. really well in mixed martial arts. because they're so good in one area,

like Alex Pereira, who is the. middleweight champion, light heavyweight. champion, and now he's going up to. heavyweight, and he's going to be. fighting at the White House card. Alex. Pereira is one of the greatest. kickboxers of all time. He's a two. division world champion in kickboxer, but his style is all kickboxing, but he. just developed takedown defense. >> He can do it all. He can do it all, >> but he doesn't submit anybody. If you're. fighting him, you're going to get you're. going to get it's going to be a stand up. fight. Unless you could take him down, he's not going to try to take you down. He's going to try to [ __ ] you up. He's.

going to try to knock you into another. dimension. >> Thanks for the warning. I'll try to. avoid the guy if I see him on the. street. >> Terrifying. >> The funniest thing I ever saw was. there's this video of of Jon Jones on. the street somewhere and he he he bumped. into he was talking and he he leaned on. some guy's motorcycle. I think I he. might have been in in Asia or something. The guy had no idea who he was and he. started screaming at him. >> Oh no. >> And John said, "I'm very, very sorry.". And he turned around, he ran away like. he was terrified. And it was just. obviously he wasn't in any danger. But.

it was so hilarious that this guy had no. idea who he was picking a fight with. >> That's hilarious. The guy has no idea. His life flashed before his eyes. >> But he but he he took it well because he. was like, you know, I don't have. anything to prove. >> Yeah. John's not the type of guy that. would do anything to I mean all also. what a lawsuit, you know. >> Oh yeah. Your your hands are weapons. >> I mean, his whole body is a weapon, >> but most of those guys are really nice. guys in real life. >> Is that right? >> Yeah. Because they get all their. aggression out. They don't have anything. to prove. They're not the type of per. they know what they can do. They don't.

have to prove it to anybody. They. >> Well, you should come to Winnipeg. They. They have a fight coming up. I think. it's in uh I think it's in April. It's. in April. >> A UFC in in Winnipeg. Yeah. I've avoided. UFC's in Canada. >> Well, come on up. I. >> I've avoided it just because of the. government. Just because of what was. going on as a protest. So, I was like, "This is so fucked.". >> Well, we'll come back up and. >> Well, if you win, I'll go up there. >> How about that? >> We should get you up before. >> you become prime minister. I promise. I'll do all the UFC events that they. have in Canada. >> We need you up in Canada to come uh come. do one of your comedy shows and uh it.

would be great for tour. >> I love going up there. I used to love. going to Massie Hall. >> Yeah. >> I I used to Toronto. Yeah. I I love. performing there. I did um. >> You used to do Montreal and. >> and uh How old were you when you were in. Montreal? Oh, I started I think the. first time I was up there, I was like. 25. >> Such a beautiful city, eh? It's gorgeous. there. >> Oh, I love that. Quebec is lovely. It's. amazing. Beautiful province. >> Amazing food. Shout out to Joe Beef. One. of my favorite restaurants in the world. that's in Montreal. >> Yeah, they're uh Montreal is a great.

place. And you should come out to the. Prairies, too. Go to the Calgary. Stampede. >> I've heard that's awesome. Oh, it's. amazing. >> I've been to Edmonton. I've been to. Alberta. Yeah. performed in Edmonton a. few times and um I've I've hunted in. Alberta. >> where. >> um well my friends John and Jen Rivet. they have a they have a uh um a a guide. I mean they they guide people up in uh. northern Alberta it's all like uh you. know black bear hunting so it's like.

>> there's a lot of great hunting I'm not I. don't hunt myself but there's a ton of. great hunting a lot of hunters in. Alberta. >> Oh yeah well there's talk about Alberta. separating. >> that won't happen. >> What was that about? >> It won't happen. Um people, some people. are frustrated. Uh but they, you know, there's some legitimate frustrations, but at the end of the day, Canada's. going to be united. And Albertans, I'm. born and raised Alberta, and Albertans. are seriously patriotic. >> Very patriotic. >> Yeah. They're great people. Hardworking. >> Some of the nicest people you ever met.

>> They are great people in Alberta. >> They are hearty people. >> It's cold up there. Know how to survive. >> Exactly. You got to be tough to survive. the cold in Canada. Carve a country like. we have out of that cold weather on that. big open land. >> Um but uh people just keep on going and. uh Alberta's got a real kind of rugged. uh individualism. and uh people uh people love their their. agriculture. There's great ranches in. Alberta, beautiful grasslands in. Saskatchewan. >> Doesn't Brock Lesnar have a place up.

there? >> I did I didn't know that. >> I think Brock Lesnar bought land in. Alberta. Really? I think he owns a ranch. up there. >> Actually, I had heard that from. somebody. I've never seen him. >> He fell in love with it. Well, he's a. big hunter as well. I think he fell in. love with it up there cuz it's just it's. so magnificent. It's so gorgeous. >> It's a great country. >> And the woods are so dense and beautiful. and you got wolves and bears and moose. and everything up there. It's amazing. country. >> The the Canadian Rockies are spectacular. as well. They're, you know, a worldwide. attraction. You know, you go to Lake.

Louise, it looks like a tropical lake. because it's all this runoff from the. mountain melt and uh you'd think you. were in the tropics because it's this. this turquoise green. That's where I. grew up. I I love I love Calgary. I love. southern Alberta. That's really my home. And so uh you got to come to the. Stampede. Greatest outdoor show on. earth. A lot of Texans go up for the the. cuz it's a rodeo. It's a huge rodeo. >> Yeah. People don't think cowboy Canada. They don't think of that. But yeah, >> Calgary uh they they've got some serious. eyes there. >> No, they really do. Yeah. Look, I love.

Canada. I just uh. >> if if you did your comedy show in. Calgary, you'd get a massive turnout. >> It would be great. Think it over. See, when you. >> Well, I was supposed to be up there. before co I was supposed to do a show up. there uh for 420 for April 20th. I was. going to do it in Vancouver. >> That's another great city. Every year I. would do these uh 420 shows like these, you know, 420 is the marijuana number. And Canada now you you guys have legal. marijuana, too. >> I've been legal for 10 years,

>> which they should have in America. It's. so ridiculous. They just they just. recently decided to make it schedule. three. >> Is it state by state? >> Yes. It's legal in a lot of states, but. it's still not legal federally. It's. goofy. If alcohol is legal, marijuana is. far safer. It should be legal. It's. ridiculous. It's also a personal freedom. thing. Leave people alone. It's like no. one's robbing banks, smoking weed, and. [ __ ] killing their neighbors. It's. crazy. It's like. >> that's a personal personal choice. >> It's not It's not heroin. It's not. opiates. It's not like maybe you.

shouldn't do it if you have mental. health problems, right? But there's a. lot of people that just like take a pot. gummy and go to bed and it makes them. sleep better. Like, leave them alone. Like, leave people alone. Let let people. have a glass of whiskey. Let people have. a glass of wine with dinner. Leave them. alone. Like stop coming up with laws. where you can impose your values and. your morals and your judgments on other. people. Let them have make their own. personal. Look, if you want to eat a. [ __ ] cheeseburger, eat a. cheeseburger. You know, if you want to.

go and have five Big Macs, you should be. able to. I don't think you should do it. But I don't think there should be a law. stopping you. And I think that's that. should apply to a lot of things in life. and we'd be a lot better off. Well, the. the bottom line is if you cannot trust a. man to govern himself, how can you trust. him to govern for others? Like if if you. think if if you think that human nature. is so flawed that people cannot make. decisions for themselves, then how could. you possibly trust human nature to make. decisions for other people to impose. decisions on their lives? Uh and uh who.

watches the watchmen? You know, we're. constantly told we need to be we need to. be kind of guided by these people from. ivory towers. But who are these angels. anyway? They're just human beings like. everyone else. So when you give them. more power and more you give them the. power to impose their will on on people. then that ultimately gets abused. >> Yes. >> So even you're right. Even when somebody. is doing something that I don't agree. with and I would think it would be. better for all of us if they didn't do. it. The the the mal that is done by. giving me the power to impose my.

decision-m on them is worse than the. benefit of trying to direct them towards. a better decision. >> Well said. >> That that's my philosophy. >> That's why I like you. Well, that's. where I got you. >> Make a lot of sense. >> It's pretty simple. I think all the best. things in life are simple. You know, we. over complicate things. Government is is. way too complicated. You know, uh I I. think we need to get back to the. simplicity. The greatest speech in the. English language was Abraham Lincoln's. Gettysburg address. 271 words. You know, Einstein compressed uh uh mass and.

energy into a five character equation. Um the you know Bruce Lee was an. advocate of simplicity like simplicity. is is a virtue and I think we have to. get back to simplicity especially in. government. Simpler, clearer, easier to. to manage. That's the pro that's the. kind of the the philosophical take I I I. pursue. Well, I appreciate that and I I. think like that philosophy and that. perspective from a leader is what we.

need in this world, you know, and uh. >> well, I think leaders have to have. humility because the the problem is that. if you are a egoomaniac and you're in. power anywhere in the world, then you're. going to want to just continually impose. new rules and laws to make yourself. bigger. Whereas, if you believe in. freedom, then you have to take you have. to be able to say to yourself, I don't. know better for this other person. he. knows better what's for him and you know. it's it's hard but politicians have to. think that they have to trust the people.

but you know nobody wants to have he. left people alone on their gravestone. they want to think oh he built this he. he imposed that he made this grand uh uh. initiative that he imposed on the people. in order to have a legacy but my legacy. is just to let other people build their. legacies in their own lives. >> I think the idea of forging a legacy. based on controlling people and imposing. your will is ludicrous. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. >> And uh. >> but the problem is history is littered. with people like that. >> Absolutely. >> Alexander the Great, Genghaskhan,

there's so many people that impose their. will and left a legacy. But is that. good? >> I don't think it is. >> It's not. And it's also they're dead. This is It doesn't matter. >> Nobody Nobody walked by walked by one of. those magnificent tombs in in Petra and. said, "Boy, I'd really like to be inside. there.". >> Exactly. what what is happening while. you're alive is what's really. significant and the most the the most. impactful thing like do well do good for. the people and I think uh your message.

resonates with me. >> and if I was a Canadian I would vote for. you 100%. >> Thank you. Thank you for that. Well, it's uh it's um you know it's a. privilege to do this work and I'm I. consider it very humbling and I'm very. proud to be Canadian and uh to take the. message of Canada here to our American. friends. Well, I'm glad you're here. doing that and I think uh this is going. to have a big impact. >> I really hope it moves the needle up in. Canada. >> Absolutely. And down here, we got to get. these tariffs gone. Get the tariffs. gone.

>> Well, let's work it out. Work it out. And uh if you win, I'm coming up there. I promise. >> Well, we're going to try to get you up. there earlier. I'm going to keep working. on you. And you look at that that maple. leaf on your new kettle bell every day. Eventually, we're going to we're going. to uh work subliminally into your. subconscious and get you up. >> Well, look, like I said, you don't have. to sell me on Canada. I love Canada and. uh I I love that gift. So, thank you so. much. I really appreciate Thank you for. being here. It was awesome. >> Thank you. All right, buddy.