Joe Rogan Experience #2468 - Luke Grimes

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. All day. It's surreal being here. Is it? Yeah, I've been listening to the show for. years. Well, I've been watching your. show for years. Yeah. >> Are we rolling, Jamie? All right, beautiful. I love your [ __ ] show. It's great. Oh, thanks, man. >> awesome, man. It's Well, I haven't. watched Marshalls yet. Is it out now? It. is. When did it come out? Um March 1st.

Oh, okay. >> So, they just had the second episode. air. I like to binge, man. Yeah, yeah. Wait a. little bit. Stay offline. I like to sit. down and binge them. For sure. Yeah, but. Yellowstone's [ __ ] awesome. It's such. a great show. Did you have any idea it. was going to be what it is? Uh not, no. I don't think anybody did. I. thought it would find an audience, for. sure. I mean, Taylor was really, you. know, hot at the time. He'd he'd he'd. been nominated for Oscars and. I was kind of like surprised he was even. writing a television show. He was just. like so hot in the the film business.

>> How the [ __ ] does that guy even sleep? I. don't know, man. Where does he have the. time? Every time I look in the news or. there's a new show that he's doing, a. new thing he's doing. It's like, "How. are you doing all this?" It's. impressive, you know. It's insane. There's a lot of people I've worked with. where they do things in that are. impressive, but his is impossible. Right. You know, like someone would be. like, "Could you direct a movie as good. as Unforgiven?" I'm like, "Maybe. Maybe. if I tried real hard." Be like, "Could. you write 10 television shows.

single-handedly?" No. No way. Not. possible. He directed Unforgiven? No, I'm just saying like people that I look. up to that I'm impressed by. It's like. his is a different level. His is like. it's like impossible. >> Who did direct Unforgiven? Clint. Eastwood. That's the [ __ ] greatest. Western movie of all time. >> It's the best. >> Yeah. It's like you know what it was. what it was like to me? It was like he. was making up for all the silly Westerns. and was like, "Let me show you what it. was probably really like." Yeah. What.

was really like when a man was about to. get shot? What was really like when a. dude was a stone cold killer? What what. was it really like the hardships of. living back then? Yeah, and it's interesting, too, because. he starts out kind of a loser. Yeah. That's first, you know, like the first. three quarters of the movie he's this. sort of timid guy who's lost his power. You know, and then he takes that one sip. of whiskey and it's all over for. everybody else. >> [laughter]. >> It's a crazy premise. It's such a good. movie, man. It's such a good [ __ ].

movie, man. But, yeah, Taylor is a he's. a real freak. And there's not a lot of. humans like him. And it's his background. story so interesting. You know, like he was just kind of. scrambling around till he was almost. like 40. Yeah. It's like a real life. Rocky. Yeah. Or something, like rags to. riches, the whole the whole thing. I. know, man. It's just I just don't I. guess that's why he has so much. ambition, cuz he knows what it's like to. be poor. Right. You know, he knows what. it's like to like barely make it. Right. >> Then all of a sudden he's got a kid on. the way and he's like, "Oh, [ __ ] I got.

to. buckle down Yeah. and really get. moving." And. he kept his foot on the gas. Absolutely. Do you guys keep in touch? Yeah. >> As buddies? Yeah, yeah, all the time. >> Taylor, man. I love him. He's an awesome. dude. I just worry about him. Like, you. know, you do so much. Like, don't have a. [ __ ] heart attack, man. Don't go. crazy. You know what's weird is he does. he does like have a good time, too. It's. not like he doesn't hang out with his. family or friends or, you know, that's. the the craziest thing to me is like the. guy has a really fun life and is able to.

do all that. I guess like the moral of. the story is don't play golf. >> [laughter]. >> It'll take up all your time. No [ __ ]. man. Tell that to Jamie. >> [laughter]. >> If I can get out once a week, it's. great. Yeah, he's he's an addict. Jamie's an addict. He's got a simulator. back there. He's always whacking golf. balls. Yeah, all my friends are trying to get. me to play. I'm like, "I'm not doing it, man. That's a 6-hour commitment. [ __ ]. off, man. The The amount of time it. takes to get good enough that it's not. the worst thing ever Right. >> much time. Right. And my problem is I'm.

I'm an addict. Like when I start doing. things, I just start like, okay, I need. to play in the PGA. >> [laughter]. >> I. I start going [snorts] crazy. I'll start. getting lessons. [ __ ] that. Yeah, don't. do it. We need your show, man. We need. you. >> It's I. Well, I'm never doing it. You can do. both. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. All right, we can try [laughter] it. Try it out. >> No, I know all my friends who play. [ __ ] love it. Ron White and Tony. Hinchcliffe, they go out every day. It's like it's [snorts] too much, man. I.

can't do it. Yeah. Yeah, it's You can't. play golf and do what Dale is doing. That's for damn sure. No way. No. Why is How the [ __ ] is Trump doing. it? Like he's in the middle of. everything. He's always playing golf. But that's sort of the criticism, right? Is that like he he's playing too much. golf and not running the country enough? But don't they say that about every. president? Yeah. Like I think it's. almost like a prerequisite to be. president. You have to play golf. >> [laughter]. >> You know? Don't they all do it? I guess. so. It's like one of those weird. businessmen things. Like they make deals. out there. They have a couple of.

cocktails. They talk a little [ __ ]. Right. Do a bump. Not my thing. >> Make some deals. >> I I just don't I don't know. Something. about being on like a manicured lawn. Like I don't I don't know. I'd rather be. out in the middle of nowhere. I'm sure. I'd love it. I'm sure, which is why I. don't do it. But I play pool and I'm addicted to. pool. Like I play pool all the time. It's a It's a real problem. When I lived. in New York, I was playing like 8 hours. a day. Yeah. I was playing in. tournaments. I was traveling around. It. was like. I can't. I can't get another thing like that in.

my life. Are you done playing pool? >> No, I play all the time. >> Okay. >> Yeah. But you could play pool for like a. couple hours and stop. >> Maybe I'll try that. Pool's fun. Yeah. Yeah, like real pool, like tournament. pool, you know, like competitive, like. real tournament pool. It's legit. But. it's like. it's another thing. It'll get in your. blood and then you'll be thinking about. it all the time and watching videos and. taking lessons and I'm ready for. something though. Yeah? Yeah, not golf. Pool sounds like Well, you have You have.

music and you have acting. Like you. said, that's got to be kind of hard to. manage. Yeah, it's proving pretty. difficult and having 18-month-old Oh, that too. >> mix. Yeah. So, no sleep? Uh yeah, we're. we're getting there. I I you know, the. the music thing is sort of. it's kind of nice cuz there's not a lot. of pressure on it. You know, for me I'm. I I have a day job, you know, I have. this thing that supports my family and. the music I can do to like. my passion level, uh you know, and I d- and I wouldn't do.

it to the point where I'm like away from. my family too much, you know, so I can I. like making the music. Touring is kind. of hard and it's and it's also new for. me. So, learning how to do that at 40 was uh. kind of interesting, you know, I feel. like in my 20s. the most fun ever. Yeah. >> Sleeping on a bus with 12 dudes and just. going from city to city and. you know, drinking backstage and playing. country music. That would have been a. blast, but I'm you know, too old for. to do that the right way. Yeah, when you.

tour, do you go out or do you do like a. weekend and then come back? Or do you. When you're on a full-blown tour, the. the the way that it financially works. the best is to just stay kind of going. So, you're doing like three shows like. Thursday, Friday, Saturday. cuz you've got the bus rented, you've. got all the equipment rented, you got. the guys, you know, on salary. So, you. just have to keep going. It's actually. really hard to. for it to pencil out when you're just. doing a show here and there. Right. Yeah. That's stand-up comedy so much easier in.

that regard. I've only done one. stand-up comedy tour tour. I did it with. Charlie Murphy and John Heffron. We We. did this Bud Light Maxim tour back in. 2007 and we did like. 22 dates in a month. And so it was like. I'd wake up and I wouldn't know where I. was. I'd look at the ceiling and go, "Where the [ __ ] am I?" I don't I I would. have to think uh Columbus. You know, I'd. have to like go through my head and. figure out where I am when I woke up.

Was there ever like a period of stage. fright when you started doing stand-up? >> Oh, yeah. Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. The first day. I was more. afraid the first time I got on stage. than I was the first time I fought. It was nuts. Yeah. I was like, "Why am I. so nervous?" I was like I was thinking. about chicken and out. I was thinking. about not doing it. >> [laughter]. >> I do that every time I play a music. show, dude. I'm like, "Can I just call it off?". >> [laughter]. >> Do you still get stage fright right now? Really bad. Well, that's the thing, man.

I I'd always played music but and when I. was playing in bands and playing out, I. was the drummer. Oh. >> So, but I always wrote songs and stuff, but I never thought I had never had. ambition around like I want to be the. guy in front of the microphone. That was. never, you know, the plan. And then, you know, to be able to make. an album, which I wanted to do, you have. to go stand in front of the microphone. And that's the hard part for me. I love. being in the studio. I love writing the. songs. I love making the music, recording the music, but there's. something about. knowing that all these people have shown. up and bought a ticket Yeah. >> to see you. And you're like, all of a.

sudden these things start happening in. me where like. they bought a ticket. Imposter syndrome. You're not good enough for them to have. spent their money. Yeah. >> thing. It's like, dude, shut up. I know. it's going to be okay, but it doesn't. matter. Every time I still get a little. bit of the, you know, I think everybody. who's sane gets imposter syndrome. Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Everybody that I've talked to that's. sane. It's like the really kooky ones don't I. don't think Kanye's ever gotten imposter. syndrome. >> [laughter]. >> You know what I'm saying? It's like the.

the I'm going to be Also, he's a genius. But it's like the The who are sane, like. it doesn't make any sense. Like none of. it makes any sense. Yeah. Well, I I get. it in droves and and way more for the. music than the acting. But it's again, I've I've been acting in film and TV for. over 20 years now. >> When did you first get on stage to sing? How old were you? Um the very first show. I played, I was. 39. >> Oh my [laughter] god. Yeah.

Yeah. Like I had done karaoke before, [laughter]. right? But. >> [snorts]. >> uh you know, I it kind of came about in. the weirdest way. I I literally was on. set one day and get a call out of the. blue from this manager, this music. manager, uh Matt Graham, who's a great. manager and a really good friend of. mine. But he called and said, "Hey, I know you don't know who I am, but I. know that you're a musician and you. know, I I love Yellowstone. I love you. in that show. Would is that something. that you would want to take seriously?". And I was like, like what does that mean? He's like,

"I bet I could get you a record deal.". And I was like, "No, man. That's No, no, I don't want to do that." And we talked. for 2 years. And over the course of the 2 years, I. really started to trust him. He sort of. like explained to me what, you know, what would be required. And. long story short, my my father passed. away somewhere in there and sort of one. of the last things he sort of conveyed. to me was like, "If there's anything you. want to do while you're here, do it, you. know.". And. it's something about that moment. I was.

like, "I'm just going to [ __ ] do it, you know? I don't care. I'm What's. What's the worst thing that can happen? I'm another actor who made a goofy. album." Right. So what? I got to do it, you know. Um so I did and then immediately it's. like, "Well, now you have to go tour it. Otherwise, you know, they're not going. to put up the money for you to make. these things if you don't go sell it, you know?" So the tour is sort of to. get the music out there and get people. buying it. Um and so yeah, first show it. was in Billings, Montana for I think it. was 1,200 people. Whoa. Um this place.

called I think it was Pub Station. What. was that like first time doing it? Dude. [clears throat]. I blacked out. >> [laughter]. >> Like not drinking. Like I just blacked. out on nerves, dude. Like it, you know, [snorts] it started. My knees were shaking, my hands were. shaking. This is before I knew about. like beta blockers or anything like. that. And I the show was over and I was. like how how was was that okay? How how. did that go? And everyone was like it. was good, you know, it was good. It was. fine. The fourth show I ever played was. Stagecoach.

Whoa. >> Yeah. Um that's nuts. >> It was crazy. I mean it's earlier in the. day. It's not like I had, you know, 100,000 people out there, but still. that's a big stage. >> That's a big stage. And um. yeah, [clears throat] I so but you know, little by little it got somewhat better. I don't black out anymore. I kind of I. know where I'm at and I'm there, but. it's still something I deal with. Oliver. Anthony, the first show he ever played. live in front of people was like 20,000. people. It's so nuts. That's insane. [laughter].

Wasn't it like that? It was huge, right? It was like it was some it was a. gigantic crowd. I I don't think I'm even. exaggerating. Because he got really. famous before he ever went on tour. That one song, Rich Men North of. Richmond, that that song like in- instantly made. him famous. He rode a rocket, dude. That rarely happens. There's you know, few people know that feeling. I. can't imagine. Bro, he he was freaking. out. Like I became friends with him like.

right when it was happening cuz he was. like a little lost and he said a bunch. of people were I go, "Let's talk." So we. got on the phone. Like it was before he. had, you know, he'd gotten a ton of. record deals and all these different. people were saying, you know, "Hey, sign. with me. We'll give you a X amount of. money in advance." I go, "Don't sign. nothing." And he was like, "Everybody's. telling me that I got to act strike. while the iron's hot." I go, "No, no, no, no, no." know. "Dude, you got talent. I go, "You got real. talent. You're always going to have.

talent. It's just a matter of putting in. the work and you're going to be huge. You don't need these people. These. people are all vampires. They're all. just trying to suck on your neck. Don't. let them. Don't let them." Thank God he. listened because he was getting offers. like $7 million and [ __ ] He He was a. [ __ ] heavy equipment salesman, you. know? And suddenly all of a sudden he's. like, "What the [ __ ] is going on?". One song with him and a guitar just. standing in a field. That's all it took. That's amazing. I mean, that's how it. should be, right? I have the complete. opposite story. My story is not.

[laughter] cool at all. I'm like, "I'm a. successful actor and I got a record deal. for no reason." Yeah, but you had a. record deal because you wanted to do it. cuz you're interested in that, too. Like, you can do anything you want to. do. Like, just because you're a. successful actor doesn't mean you can't. do it. Right, but I think, you know, a. lot of the thing with music is the story. of the person. >> Uh-huh. So, I knew going in like I don't. have the best story. I I I I do come. from nothing and I did work my ass off. to become an actor and all that, but you. know, the my way into the music was a.

little wonky, but Well, sometimes that's. good cuz it makes you work harder to. prove to people that you're legit. Yeah, yeah. Cuz you have this thing over. your head where they're like, "Fuck that. pretty boy [ __ ]. TV star [ __ ] [ __ ] that, dude. >> [laughter]. >> [ __ ] Casey Dutton." There we go. So, the. music's going to have to be good enough. That's just sort of the thing. >> all it is. It's just it just will force. you to work harder, but it just. everybody's story is different. That's. what makes it fun. If everybody had the. same story, you know? Yeah. I mean,

you're kind of the the king of following. your passion, right? You You've done. that. Yeah, I've been super lucky, you. know? I just lucky that there's a job. for all these things I like, you know? There wasn't. Like, you manifested one. >> one. Yeah. This one There was other. people doing it already, but it wasn't a. job for the longest time. It's kind of a. fun story that me and my wife always. joke around about cuz like one time she. was taking the kid We were supposed all. supposed to go to Disneyland but I had. to. do this podcast. So my She was like, "You don't have to do it." I go, "But I. do. I do it every week." But it wasn't.

really making any money back then. But. it was like, "I promised people it'd be. out." Like, "I got to do it." Now she's. like, "Thank God you didn't listen to. [laughter] me.". It's just. I [clears throat] did You mean I got. lucky. I I came in right at the right. time. There was only a few people doing. it back then. And I just did it for fun. I just thought that would be fun to do. Yeah. >> And then all of a sudden it became a. job. Yeah. And with the UFC stuff, too. Yeah. That, too. That was fun, too. >> Did you think that would become what it.

became? >> No. When I first started doing it was in. 1997. And it was [clears throat] uh in a high. school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama. And we had to take a propeller plane to. get there. And uh it was banned from. cable so you could only watch it on. DirecTV. This was UFC 12. And. >> Wow. there was no one in the audience. And no one was watching it. And I was. already on a TV show. I was on. NewsRadio. And the people on NewsRadio, like the actors and the producers, they. were like, "What are you doing? You're. flying to go do cage fighting?" It was.

almost like I was doing porn. You know? >> [laughter]. >> Or [ __ ] snuff films or something. It's like, "Did you You're going to ruin. your life doing this?". I was like, "I don't. I don't know what you guys are talking. about. This is what I've always wanted. to see. I've always wanted to see all. the best martial artists of different. styles get together. Nobody ever did it. These guys are doing it. I'm going to. go." Yeah. Like, "This is. I remember renting the like first few. from Blockbuster. >> Yeah. Oh, it was the best. It was like. Bloodsport back then. Oh, yeah. Oh, it. changed my life. I got UFC 2 was the.

first one. The first one wasn't. available. You had to get 2 was the only. one. And it was on VHS tape. And I had a. buddy of mine who told me about it. He's. like, "Dude, you got to see this thing, man." He goes, "They got these guys that. are fighting in a cage. And this one. dude is just choking everybody. And he's. wearing a gi." I was like, "Really? What. is it?" And then I watched it and I was. like, "Holy shit." Yeah. I was hooked. like right away. I was like, "They. [ __ ] did it. They actually did it.". Cuz like when I was a kid, everybody thought that what they were If.

you did karate, you thought karate was. the best. If you thought judo, you. thought judo was the best. And nobody. really knew what was the most effective. martial art cuz nobody'd ever put. together anything like the UFC. Right. So once it happened, I mean, it was just. such a huge part of my life. I was like, "I'm not going to not do this just cuz. it's bad for my acting career." Like if. my acting career goes away, I I don't, you know, whatever. I'm only doing this. for money anyway. So I was like, "I'll. just. figure it out.". >> [laughter]. >> You were the only person in LA with that.

mentality, by the way. That really. served you well. Well, I wasn't supposed. to be in LA. You know, I mean, I only. came to LA for money. I. And I would have moved back. I was. living in New York and um I did a show. called Hardball and that got canceled. And the only reason why I stayed is cuz. I got a lease on an apartment. I was. fully ready to get out of there. I was. like, "I got to get the [ __ ] out of this. place." I hated it. I hated being around actors. I hated. being around producers and casting. agents. I was like, "These people are so. fake." I was used to being around.

fighters and comedians and pool players. Like the the rawest, funniest, like. outcasts of society. Like those are my. people. I was used to like cracking. jokes with friends and everybody was. like busting on each other and everybody. had a great sense of humor. Just silly. weirdos. And then all of a sudden I'm around. these people that like all have these. like predetermined things that they. thought they should say, so they would. say them, you know? And everybody had. like It was all group think. It was.

like, "Oh, this is [ __ ] horrible.". Yeah, I always say that felt like when I. lived in LA I lived in LA for 16 years. and and, you know, I don't want to. complain about it. It was obviously good. to me. Like it, you know, helped my life. quite a bit. But, it always felt like. everybody was trying to become the same. person. Yeah. >> But, they don't know who that person is. I'm like, can [laughter] we Can you just. tell me who the person is so I can. Right. >> I mean? There's like a memo that went. out that I didn't get or something. So. >> Nobody got that memo. They were all. playing it by ear, you know? And they.

they were just It was all dependent upon. what the producers and the casting. agents wanted you to be. Mhm. So, everybody would sort of adapt. Like, whenever you got a place where everybody. has the same politics, that's not a good. sign. Mhm. Like, that something's gone. wrong. And everybody has these. progressive left-wing politics, regardless [clears throat] of whether or. not any of their positions make sense. They all just sort of spit it out. I. think it's just that there is sort of a. desperation that gets bred from I mean, these people left their families. They. moved away. They.

left everything they've ever known and. gave up a lot of comfort and security. and love to to follow this dream. Yeah. >> And so, that that dream becomes more and. more and more important. You need it. more and more because now you have. nothing else. Yeah. >> You've given everything else up. And so, I think at that point, you can. you can sort of mold people into. whatever. You know, like they do. >> It ruins comics. >> Yeah. Because when comics start doing. well, one of the first As soon as they. start getting on television, the first. thing they start doing is tempering. their material. They tone it down a.

little bit, take the edge off, don't say. anything that can get you in trouble. You know, generally, those are the. funniest things. >> [laughter]. >> The funniest things are the things that. can go terribly wrong, you know, and and. get you in trouble. So, they do that. And then just, you know, they become. like an I I always call it the velvet. prison because you get locked into that. velvet prison. You get get on TV, you. get get money, but also, you become just one of. everybody else. Yeah. It's hard It's. hard not to do. I mean, I'm That's where.

I'm at, you know? I still have a boss. Yeah. You know, [snorts] my my checks. are written by a very specific company. that, you know, I have to be careful. sometimes. You know, even doing this today, I'm. like. just a little bit. I don't want to do. that [clears throat] to you and sit here. and like police [laughter] myself the. whole time, but I got to be like, just. don't say this or you Right. Oh, yeah. No, I'm firmly aware of it. People come. in here and I I could see it in their. face. Like, please don't bring up. anything crazy. >> [laughter]. >> No trans talk.

For sure, dude. Let's stay away from. that today. Yeah, I mean, people. [laughter] I mean, it's it's you know, it's a tricky situation. And the the. thing about LA, too, is. everybody has to get picked for stuff. Yeah. It's not like even like music. Like, especially like look at Oliver. Anthony. No music deal, no nothing. Just. put something on YouTube, blows up. That's a real In this day and age, that's a real thing. But in acting, it's. still you have to get chosen. You have. to get cast for something. And just that.

weird thing alone where you're going. into this thing and these people have to. approve you. And most of the people that. get involved in acting in the first. place, a lot a large percentage of them, they. did it because they didn't get enough. attention when they were younger. And. this is like they they just want to make. up for Well, >> [laughter]. >> that's why I became a comedian, I'm. pretty sure. You know, [snorts] it's all the same. kind of mindset. Like, there's something. about you that wants to be famous, right? It just wants. You know, unless you're like someone. who's just in love with the craft of. acting, you know. Right. Which how could.

you be when, you know, I made the. decision that I wanted to be an actor. when I was like 5 years old? >> Really? >> what the craft of acting was. My thing, though, honestly, was. I loved movies so much. I think I just. because I I I liked them more than my. life. Mhm. You know, I wanted to live in. the movie. I didn't know what making. them would actually be like. I didn't. know what that career looked like. I. didn't know what acting was. But I would go to the movie theater and. want to be in it. And I'd also see the.

guy. and I I don't know whatever the skillset. was I was like whatever they're doing I. think I can do that. I I think I have. whatever that is and you know thank God. I was at least somewhat right or I'd be. waiting tables in LA right now. Well, it's a interesting thing, right? Because. it's a craft that seems like you're just. doing normal life. Right? Like you're you're pretending but. you're you're. acting and behaving in a way that people.

do act and behave. Like that's the key. to it. It has to be believable. Yeah. So, most people watch it go I can do. that. Like it's this is normal life. They're just acting like they're in. normal life. >> Right, but what you don't realize is. that there's like a dude with a beard. with a microphone in your face and. [laughter] 200 people standing around. waiting for you to be done so they can. do their job again. >> coffee, shaking their [laughter] head. and. pointing at their watch. Like if you [ __ ] up a line like oh.

Jesus. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> This [ __ ] guy. [ __ ]. unprofessional. Yeah. >> Exactly. >> Yeah, it's a weird gig, man. It's a. weird gig and it's not what most people. think it is. And you could tell that by the like the. masters, the real masters. You know, when you see like. Daniel Day-Lewis do it you're like okay, whatever he's doing I'm not doing that. That's a that's a [ __ ] totally. different thing. Right. >> This guy's in a some weird place where. he becomes Gary Oldman becomes a. different person every movie and you. believe it. Yeah. That's the real craft of it, right? Where like I [ __ ] know that's Gary.

Oldman, right? But he's different in. every Now he's Dracula and I believe it. He's amazing. Both of those guys. amazing. You ever watch that show um Slow Horses? >> I love it. [ __ ] great show, right? >> really good. >> It's a great show. I can't wait for the. new season. I was hooked. Somebody told. me about it and I was a little skeptical. at first. It's like all right. And you. never see like a lead your your number. one being like a total piece of [ __ ]. >> Right? >> [laughter]. >> Total piece of [ __ ] Yeah. Except Tony. Soprano. There you go. Yeah. Yeah, that.

he was that was a weird show, right? Like the guy was a murderer and a thief. and you love him. >> We loved him. He was so good. >> [snorts]. >> Yeah, there was another guy. Gandolfini, man. You [ __ ] believed. him. And there wasn't acting like that. in television yet. No. >> That was like the first of its kind. >> Yeah. And even within that show, he was. doing something no one else was doing. Right. And that's hard to that's hard to. keep up for you know, you can if you do. it for a film, you're doing it for a. couple months. You know, at that at that level of.

intensity, but to do that for 7 years. for months and months at a time is. impossible. >> Well, there was a danger in his eyes. Like a real danger. Like there's. something about that dude that that that. dude's got or while he was alive, he had. demons but in his brain. Like you could. tell. Like there was moments that these. menacing moments where he was like. threatening someone or doing something. like. that's coming from a real place. Right. >> [laughter]. >> That guy ain't you know, there's some.

guys who play tough guys in movies like. I'm not buying it. But with that guy you're like. oh, okay. This is this guy could kill. somebody. >> Yeah, you don't want to piss him off in. real life. >> [cough]. >> Well, he's also out of [ __ ] control. You know, have you ever see the list of. the things that he consumed before he. died? I have seen that. >> It's bananas. I mean he was just off the rails. He's. out of his [ __ ] mind. Have you seen. that. >> Hunter S. Thompson one? >> Oh, dude, we narrated it. We read it and. then this guy what was the dude? What's.

the guy's name that turned it into a. song? I don't know. There's a there's a. a dance song like electric music dance. song with me and my friend Greg. Fitzsimmons. We're reading off Hunter S. Thompson's like his daily routine. >> Beardy man. Beardy man, yeah. Shout out. to beardy man. It's pretty dope. Play. it. [ __ ] it. Can we?

We get in trouble? Can isn't the right word to ask. >> [laughter]. >> We can. What would happen? We lose at the like revenue changes and. stuff like that. >> For sure? Yeah, 100%. All right, don't. play it. I'll listen to it [snorts]. after. Yeah, well, I'll send it to you. But it's uh. it's a bananas routine and you know, at. the end of his life, I'm a giant Hunter. S. Thompson fan as you could tell. walking through the all the artwork. But. at the end of his life, like he couldn't. even talk. Like he did an appearance.

once on Conan O'Brien and it to me it. was like one of the saddest things like. you could barely understand what he was. saying. He's just mumbling and. when he was young, he was so [ __ ]. smooth and articulate and interesting. and fascinating and. and it just drugs. Just drugs and booze. just cooked his brain. >> I'll have to do a deep dive on him. I. I've never read any of his stuff. >> Really? >> No, I haven't. >> Oh, just read just start off with Fear. and Loathing. Okay. Fear and Loathing in.

Las Vegas was a he got a assignment to. cover I think it was a motorcycle race. That was the job. So I think it was for. Sports Illustrated or something like. that. He got a a job to just cover a. race and he goes down there and just. brings every kind of [ __ ] drug known. to man, drives through the desert in a. convertible with his friend and just. writes this insane book. It's completely. insane. It's nothing to do with this. motorcycle race. It's just all about the.

chaos of being out of your [ __ ] mind. in Vegas. And it's brilliant. It's so good. Check. it out. Do you like Vegas? I mean, I'm there a lot for fights. And. when I go, we go to a restaurant, I go. play pool, I go to the fights. I don't. do anything else. So, it's like for me. it's like yeah, there's great. restaurants, you know, the fights are. awesome. I love doing that. So, it's like but. there's something about it where I ever.

every time I go there I'm like, "Could I. live here?" Like I was actually talking. to my friend Tony Hinchcliffe about it. this past weekend. We were just there. for the fights. And [snorts] um. I was saying like what if a I was cuz. you know, Kill Tony's is gigantic show. now. It's huge. He sells out arenas all. over the country with it. It's on. Netflix. And I was saying like what if a. a Vegas casino offered you a [ __ ]. pile of money? Would you Do you think. you could ever live here? And we're just sitting there and he's. like, "I don't know. I don't want to do. it." I think I could do it either. Cuz I.

I think it's like sleeping next to a. vampire. Like even if you know that the vampire's. in the other room and he's not going to. bite your neck cuz like he's right. there. >> [laughter]. >> You know, it's like I don't I don't. think it's good for you. Vegas to me is. like you know when you. you have a big night out on a certain. type of booze and you get sick. And then. then anytime you drink that booze after. that, and that's Vegas to me. Anytime I. land in Vegas I'm like, I just feel. gross [laughter]. cuz I remember the last time I was there. or the first time.

Yeah, [snorts] it's I think the people. that live outside of Vegas, like people. live in Henderson and places like that, they love it cuz it's really nice out. there. Like you go out to the outskirts. of Vegas, there's beautiful. neighborhoods and nice communities and. like great stores and restaurants and. stuff. It's nice. But you're still next. to the Death Star. Right. It's like this. big neon [ __ ] vacuum just sucking. people's money out of them. I've never. been off the strip. Maybe I should try. that out. >> Yeah. Yeah, there's a there's there's.

great restaurants and great. neighborhoods. Like it's it's fine. outside. But the reason why they're. there is because of the Death Star. Like. that's what brings everybody there. You. know, everybody's there to just lose all. their money. Yeah, make really bad. decisions. Yeah, like I. all my friends who gamble when I would. go there with them, I go, "Look at this. place. See how big it is? How do you. think they got that money? Suckers [laughter] like you.". This isn't This isn't like a fair. exchange. Like they're giving you goods.

and you're giving them money. No, this. is like they're giving you this like. crazy proposition where you think you're. going to play blackjack and win a. billion dollars. >> Yeah. And if you win too much money, they kick. you out. Did you ever gamble? Was that. ever No. No. No. No. No. Not really. I. mean, I've I've bet some money on. fights. I've played blackjack a few times, but. I've never lost any real money. But my. friend Dana White, he's a [ __ ]. degenerate. Like a crazy degenerate. I. went to visit him recently.

So, he was at Red Rock Casino and a. couple of my other buddies were there. So, we showed up and went into the. blackjack room and he was there. And. when I got there, he was down $600,000. When I got there. And it was a normal night for him. And. he wasn't even nervous. He was like, "Hey, what's up?" He's like shaking my. hand, giving me a hug. All these other. people are there and I got [ __ ]. massive anxiety. Yeah, I hate that. >> How are you" And then so him and Jamie. was there, too. And him and.

Taylor Lewan, the football player. He He. coaches Taylor how to how to play. blackjack. And so, they got together. He. tells them when to hit and when not to. hit. And they did it right next to us. Within 5 minutes, Taylor was down. $125,000. >> Jesus. I was like, "What are you doing?". Yeah. That makes me nervous just. thinking about it. >> up and then they quit. So, he quit. ahead. I think he won like 100 grand. And then he quit. Then they move on. [snorts] to baccarat cuz you can bet. more per hand. That That's what they're doing now? >> Yeah, it's like up to 500k per hand or.

something like that. Which one's. baccarat? >> How do you play that? >> I I've tried to watch it. I don't really. quite understand. It's apparently not. hard. You You're betting on the dealer. or the player. Is that the big long table with all the. I don't understand it. It's not like. It's not as long as like roulette. So, Dana's on to that now or Taylor? >> I think that room they switched them all. to baccarat tables. Oh, so you can gamble more? >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, my god. Definitely more, faster. He's mainlining.

the gamble now. He told a story on. I think it was. Was it flagrant? It was flagrant where. he talked about losing like $6 million. in one night. >> [snorts]. >> Yeah, what? Yeah. That's my theory about slap fight, why they're doing slap fight. I think. it's Dana's gambling money. >> [laughter]. >> That's what I think. I think it's like. he needs some source of revenue outside. of the UFC so he doesn't doesn't lose. his UFC money. >> That's tough to watch, man. I I don't. watch it. Yeah. I've watched a couple. clips. >> Sorry, Dana. I know you, but it's tough.

to watch. >> I don't like it. Just people getting. brain damage over and over again. Yeah, it's not my thing. >> [laughter]. >> I don't get it. It's And it's all like. the saddest people getting whacked in. the head. It's like. It's not a good thing. >> Not good. Yeah. They call it fights, too. Like, okay. Okay, I know. >> [laughter]. >> I mean, I guess. They should come up. with another name. It's kind of. insulting to an actual fight. Right. But. that's my theory is that that's his. gambling money cuz that [ __ ] dude. gambles. Cuz I asked him once, I go, "You like. living here?" He goes, "I love the. action.".

I'm like, "Okay.". >> [laughter]. >> I mean, he's a good friend of mine, but. he's a different person than me. That's. awesome. I'm not That's not me. Yeah. If. I lived in Vegas, I'd live way outside. of Vegas and. even then I don't think I could do it. Cuz we've talked about you know, we have. a a comedy club in town, the Comedy. Mothership, and we talked about doing. another Mothership somewhere. And the. two most likely places that we would be. able to do it are New York and Vegas. So, we talked about doing one in Vegas, but I was like.

man, the only way it would work is I. have to be there a lot. Like we'd have. to be there a lot and we'd have to you. know, we'd have to make sure that it's. run right, that that's like run with the. same vibe that we run it here where. everybody's cool, there's no [ __ ]. everybody's real friendly and real. supportive of new comedians and. then I'd have to spend a lot of time. there. I'm like, I don't want to do. that. Right. This is. Wouldn't New York be like returning to. where you cut your teeth or something? Is that where you started? >> Yeah, I I mean, I started in Boston, but. I I did spend a lot of time in New York.

Um New York would be a better option. really because there's a lot more talent. there. Okay. >> And in order to have a really good. comedy club, you you can't. you can't just start it out like you. can't just go like to Columbus, Ohio or. Cincinnati or I guess Columbus has like. a little bit of a scene. But you would. have to have a real scene with like real. headliners and a like top level talent. >> Right. And the way we're able to pull it. off in Austin is everybody moved here. during the pandemic. Like me and Tony.

moved Ron White moved here first and. then me and Tony moved here and then. once we started doing shows, we were. talking to all our friends in LA and LA. was shut down during the pandemic. And so everybody just kind of moved out. here at least temporarily cuz comedians. are junkies. Like they want to go on. stage and and. it was taken away from them for a year. and a half in LA. >> Couldn't perform in in LA for a year and. a half. Made no [ __ ] sense. And out. here, we were just doing shows like in. November of 2020. Wow. Like it was.

indoor shows and super spreader shows. and. so because of that. >> I forgot about that word. Tom Segura. moved here, Christina Pazitsky moved. here, Tim Dillon moved here. I mean, it's just like Shane Gillis moved here. It was like we had so many like national. headliners, we could pull off a club. Yeah. But you have to have that kind of. thing where it's not just the weekends, but you have to have like Tuesday shows, Wednesday shows. It has to be like a lot. of people around that you could have a.

show with. The infrastructure. >> Yeah. I randomly lived in Austin during. COVID. Oh, really? My wife and I we got. married in November of 2019. She's from. Brazil and I'm from Ohio. So we had no. there was nowhere we were going to live. where it was going to feel like home, but we you know, I'd lived in LA for 16. years. I was ready to get out. We wanted to start a family somewhere. else and we didn't know where to go. So. we we came here. in December of 2019 and we had the best.

2 months ever and then everything shut. down and we're stuck in an apartment, don't know anybody. And you know, it didn't really get a. fair shake. We loved it while it was. going and then yeah, I did about 2. months of lockdown. Couldn't do it anymore and then we. bought an Airstream and just started. traveling around and then I had to be in. Montana for work for Yellowstone. And we parked the Airstream up there and. never left. Oh, wow. >> Yeah, so we've lived there. >> Montana's [ __ ] awesome. It's the. best. >> It's so great. It's so beautiful. The. last time I was there was in the summer.

Well, actually last time I was there I. was hunting with Bourdain. We went. pheasant hunting there. That was pretty. cool. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was one of the last times I saw. him. What part? Oh, I forgot. I forgot where we were. I'm I'm pretty sure I flew into Bozeman, but I think we're outside of Billings. Okay. I forget. Um but. the in the summer there is. [clears throat] insane. >> Yeah, perfection. >> It's so beautiful. Like everything's.

green, you see the mountains, we heard. wolves howling one one night and you see. elk herds just chilling on the side of a. hill. Like God, this place is magical. And it doesn't get dark till like 11:00. at night. Right. It's very confusing to. know like when to eat dinner cuz you're. just like it's light for so long. But. then in the wintertime the you know, the. exchange is it gets dark at 4:30 p.m. Right. Um but yeah, we love it, man. It's the best thing that has ever. happened for me. I've just sort of like. all the LA stuff we were talking about.

>> Mhm. It's the opposite of that. >> The opposite. There's I have no FOMO. about anything anymore, you know? >> Oh, that's great. >> I I can just think and sleep and read. and watch films and it's the best. Yeah. Well, your show made a lot of. [ __ ] people move out there, though. That's true. Yeah. >> And they're not happy about it. The The. valley that I live in. >> [laughter]. >> We had some people come visit us, our. friends from California drove out, and. we went on a hike. And uh we were in their car and they. had, you know, Cali plates. And we get. off the hike and someone had written go.

back in the dust on their car. Like. people are super weird about So I don't. tell anyone like exactly where I'm at. cuz they would get really mad at me. >> Dude, that happened in 2012. I was. hunting in Montana. We went to the. Missouri Breaks, and um we we were going. to this restaurant, and one of the guys. in the restaurant had a he had his car. parked outside, and it was like a rental. car, and someone had wrote go back home, you know, like Montana's for Montanans. or something like that. They wrote it in. the dirt. Right.

>> Which is dumb because if they have the. plates, they clearly aren't living. there, you know? Right. >> Yeah. They're visiting. They're going. back. Yeah, but it's just retards. You're going to get retards in every. state. Like if you have 100 people, one. of them's a [ __ ] idiot. >> Sure. >> Right? And if you got a a town of, you. know, X amount of 100,000 people, you're. going to have a good amount of [ __ ]. dumbasses. For sure. Those are the ones. like, "This is our place. We own it. This is our dirt." Meanwhile, someone. moved there at some point. >> Exactly. >> You know, somewhere along the line.

someone moved there. And all you did was. stay. Exactly. You didn't do anything. that cool. >> Exactly. >> You know what I mean? Exactly. Exactly. >> And that one guy I can't go to bars. there anymore cuz whatever that one. idiot is is at the bar. Of course. >> And he can't wait to start a fight with. me. Just like can't wait to do it cuz. like it's a win-win for him, you know? He gets to sue me or something. I don't. know, you know, but it's a lose-lose for. me. So. Well, it's just like his life is. empty. And it's like all of a sudden. there's purpose and he's like, "You. ruined Montana.". >> [laughter]. >> [ __ ] off. Right. Yeah. Or my favorite is.

when they call people colonizers. That's. my favorite. Like, bro, if you don't. live in Ethiopia, someone in your. ancestor was a colonizer. >> Oh, 100%. >> Period. Yeah, we all had to come from. somewhere. Also, isn't it like the most American. thing ever is that I can choose where I. want to live? >> Yeah. >> That should be celebrated. >> It should be. Yeah. >> Right? The idea that, "Oh, we were here. first." Those are the same idiots that. hate when a band becomes successful. Cuz. they're like, "Oh, I knew them when they. were underground. Now they sold out.". >> Yeah. Just.

It's just a [ __ ] mentality. You're. always going to have that, no matter. where you go. But Montanans are like. fiercely proud of being from Montana. Yeah, they'll always tell you what. generation they are. They're just like, "I'm a third-generation Montanan.". That's so silly. Yeah. But I'm not Montanan, but my son will. be, you know? Yeah. He can say that he. is, first generation. Right. It's like. an anchor baby. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. Yeah, he can go fly fishing and no one's. going to give him a hard time. >> That's right. >> born here. Okay. Yeah, you're good.

You're cool. >> hall pass. Yeah, but like people that live in like. that Yellowstone place, you know, that. um Yellowstone Club. >> Yeah, that place. Like those are like. fake Montanans to Montanans. I have a. buddy who lives up there and he was. saying, "I don't know why the [ __ ]. anybody would live up there." Like, cuz. it's awesome. Like, what's wrong. [laughter] with you? It's still Montana. Like, let let it go. Right. They just had some problem with. uh. sewage being dumped into the river or. something like that. >> Club did? >> Club, yeah. Oh, god. Yeah, the the. locals were very angry. And I don't know.

if that's locals like making some stuff. up to sort of cause a problem, but they. were saying that they were finding. sewage from the Yellowstone Club in the. in the local river there. Woah. >> Yeah, you have to look that up. Oh, woah. Yeah, that's not good. That's the problem with rich people. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> Rich people are like [ __ ] everybody. else. I haven't been to that place, but I. heard it's awesome. And the views I've. seen photographs of it. God, the [ __ ]. views there are insane. Yeah. I have. multiple friends that live in Montana. and. the the thing about it is like everybody.

will tell you like when you're. surrounded by those mountains and you. look out at them every day, it like. centers you and it humbles you. That's. exactly right. >> It's like the most spectacular natural. art you're ever going to see and it's. around you all the time. And I drink my. coffee every morning looking out the. window and it looks like a painting and. it never gets old. You know, if if if we need to go to the. grocery store I'll be like I'll do it. cuz it's so fun to drive there. You. know, you get out you put some tunes on. it's the best thing ever versus like.

living in LA to go anywhere was the. worst thing ever. >> Right. Um Yeah, everything's a pleasure. up there man. It's really it's. something. But if you if you if you need. any sort of like fast pace or. socialization or if you're like trying. to meet a babe or something It's not. going to happen. >> [laughter]. >> There's no people there. Yeah, I get. that. There's a little of that in. Austin. They're upset that the. Californians moved here. Yeah. >> They're upset. There were a lot of. people blamed me Uh-huh. and Elon. Sure. They blamed us for for moving here and.

ruining Austin like sorry we made it. more awesome. >> [laughter]. >> [ __ ] [ __ ] Shut your mouth. It's. it's all the same thing. It's like. people that want credit. >> for being here first like [ __ ] off. Now. you have more restaurants, way more. comedy. There's like seven comedy clubs. on my street now. On the street where my. club is there's seven comedy clubs now. That's amazing. >> It's like one of the the big hubs of. live comedy in the world now. Did it. have it at all before? It had a couple. places. There was a place called Cap.

City that actually went under before the. pandemic or actually like right at the. beginning of the pandemic. When I got. here it was for sale. And so, I was. looking at that place to buy it. And but. it didn't work out. And then there was. another There's another place that's. been around forever called the Velveta. Room. It's a real small room. I think it. seats like 100 or so. And then you know, I think there was. maybe a couple other bars that maybe had. comedy. And there was like a small scene. of some comedians, but nothing like what. it is now. Like it's not even not even. comparable. I mean, there's like.

17 18 world-class comics that live here. now. Wow. It's crazy. And talk about. stage fright. I think that is That would. be the hardest art form. It's getting up You have no help. There's nothing to hide behind. >> Right. >> There's no music. Right. >> There's like you know, it's just silence. and you and a microphone. You can't just. get into your tune [ __ ] just play. close your eyes now. >> [laughter]. >> Now, there was a there was a film. actually one time that I was attached to. to play a stand-up comedian and I I.

promised the director that if we got our. funding and got the green light to go. that I'd go do it. That I'd actually go out and like work. up 15 minutes and just you know, do it. until I understood what it was like. And that movie fell through and I was. very very [laughter] happy about that. cuz I didn't want to do it. It's hard. >> I bet, man. It's it's confusing cuz the. people are just talking. They're like, "Why is that hard to do? Everybody. talks." You know, like everybody could. tell a story. Everybody could And it. seems easy to do until you do it and.

then you're like, "Oh, this is But I was. hooked right away. Cuz right I I sucked. the first night I did I bombed. But I. was like, "I got a couple of laughs on. some things." And I was like, "I think I can figure this out." But I. was like I said, I was more scared than. when I was fighting. I was more scared before like a big. fight. Like. It was weird. I was like, "Why am I. nervous?" It didn't make any sense. My. friend Whitney Cummings explained it to. me. She said, "People have this fear of.

public speaking because in tribal. societies. back in the day, the only time you spoke. in front of a large group of people was. when you're being judged because they. were going to kill you. >> Oh, interesting. Right. >> Yeah. Doesn't that make sense? >> Yeah. Yeah. So like if you're in front. of in front of people they're all like. What did he do? You know, so you have to like, "Guys, I. didn't steal the tomatoes.". >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, I never thought about that. Yeah, that's weird. >> That's what it is. Yeah, no place to. hide, man. I don't know. That That.

sounds scary. And especially if like it. starts going bad. Like if you start to. bomb. Is there Is there any way out of that or. is it. >> People have recovered, yeah. People have. started off bombing and then pulled. themselves out of it. I've done it a. couple of times. Most of the time when. I'm bombing I'm bombing forever. You're [laughter] going down. But the. There's a good to that, all right? The. good is you have to re-examine your. material and you Every time in my career. in the like the early days when I. bombed, I always got way better. afterwards because I was like, "Whatever.

the [ __ ] that was, I don't want to. experience that again." And I really. focused and really really wrote like. crazy and went over recordings and. buttoned down and trimmed things and. changed things around and. You need losses. Losses are very. important. They're important in. fighting, they're important in They're. all important in They're important in. life. Like one of my kids just had a breakup. recently and I had a conversation with. her. I go, "I know this sucks, but this. is actually important. Like it has to. happen." And I told her like about like.

first time a girl broke up with me when. I was 17. I was devastated. >> Oh, the worst. >> Oh, it's cool. The worst feeling. Couldn't believe my life was over. I'm. only 17. I can I'm never going to. recover. I'm like, "It's so important. because you realize like. as time passes. you understand that this is just a. moment in time and there's other people. you're going to meet and and it's just. you have to develop some resiliency, some emotional resiliency. Right. And so. you have to experience that. And you. also have to realize that.

you know, people. they don't know what they're doing, either. Like, boys don't know what. they're doing, girls don't know what. they're doing. They're kind of figuring. it out as they go along. And people. break up, and they make up, and these. are these lessons that you have to learn. in life. And loss is important, cuz it. makes you understand like, why this. person get sick of me? Why am I. annoying? Why Yeah. What you know, am I. selfish? Like, what is it? Like, what is. wrong with me? You know, why you know, why am I picking these people that are. going to break my heart? Why don't I.

adjust? Why don't I like, maybe I should. spend some time alone, and figure out. what the [ __ ] is wrong with me, or. figure out who I am. And those. moments where you have to kind of go. through things and figure them out, they're so important for you in life. And for a comic, bombing can oftentimes. be one of the best like, motivating. factors to take you to another level in. your career. Mhm. Or. wreck your confidence forever. Right. Just like fighting. >> Yeah, I was going to say, it happens to. fighters a lot. >> Oh, yeah. Some fighters lose, and.

they're never the same again. And some. fighters lose, and then a new version of. them emerges in the next fight. You're. like, "Whoa, this dude dialed in." Who. would be a good example of that? Charles. Oliveira. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's the best. example of it. Because for the longest. time, everybody thought he was a. quitter. Like, he would just break. And now, he's. like, one of the scariest [ __ ]. alive. >> Yeah. You know, especially this last. weekend, the fight with Max Holloway. Like, >> it. Good lord. Like, Max Holloway was a two-to-one. favorite in that fight, and he got shut.

out. Yeah. >> Like, literally, every round was a. dominant performance by Oliveira. It was. crazy. It's funny, people complaining about. that fight, too. It's like the. >> Cuz it was on the ground. Right. >> Yeah. Yeah. My daughter complained about. it. >> Did she? >> [laughter]. >> Yes. She's like, "It The main event was so. boring.". You're a casual. My kid is a casual. >> People love a slugfest, don't they? Oh, yeah, they do. They do. They do love a. slugfest. Yeah. But [snorts]. you know, that's that's the sport. The. sport is like sometimes it's going to be. exciting and sometimes it's just going.

to be a ground battle. But for me it was. exciting because I was trying to figure. out whether Max could get up, what he. could do to prevent from getting taken. down and whether or not he could figure. out a way to reverse the position and. get on top. And. you know, when you're watching like a. guy dominate a world champion like that, it's just. you're in marvel. You're like, "Wow, this is crazy. I can't believe he's able. to do this. This is nuts.". I wish I would have started jujitsu when. I was small.

Cuz I tried it like, you know, late 30s. and I was like it was kind of like the. golf thing where I was like, well, first. of all, it's way cooler than golf. But I. was like the the amount of time it's. going to take me until this doesn't feel. like being smothered Yeah. is going to. be a long time and I don't know if I. have I I don't know if I can start now. You know what I mean? >> That's forever. I'm sure. Yeah, like. it's How long would it take for like. a grown person until it until you. actually know what's going on. intuitively and it doesn't feel like. chaos? Well, there's there's layers of.

knowing intuitively. Like there's guys. like even as a black belt, there's guys. that I could roll with and I would just. get humiliated. Cuz they're just so much better than I. am. Like my friend Gordon Ryan, that's. his belt up there. Abu Dhabi champion. He's the greatest of all time. Like in. his 30. Yeah. The greatest grappler. that's ever lived. >> Yeah, he looks like it. >> He's a freak man. He's a He's a freak. man. He's amazing. >> But he trains 365. days a year. He does not take breaks. off. Christmas, [ __ ] you. It's your. birthday, [ __ ] you. Happy Easter, [ __ ].

you. Yeah. >> every day and he trains like twice a. day, three times a day. It's like that. is the only way to be the greatest. And. you know, and he's obviously a lot. bigger than me, but it's not the best. example. But he does that to heavyweight. black belts. Just humiliates them. They. have no He writes down on a piece of. paper what he's going to do to them and. hands it to the judges before the fight. So, he's like, "I'm going to triangle. this guy." Like any. >> That's crazy. >> it to world champions. >> Like guys who have been like multiple. time world champions. Wow.

>> And he's just predicting what he's going. to do. And then he passes on every. submission until he can get them in. that. Like he's having fun. He's like. he's playing with his food. You know, so. there's levels to stuff. So, to be competent in rolling, you. could get there in a couple years, depending on how often you train. Like. Bourdain got really serious at 58. Wow. >> At 58. >> That's when he started. >> he started. Yeah. Oh. When I first met. him, he wasn't training at all. When I first met him, um he came to the.

UFC. His wife was really into the UFC. and she was she had just started doing. jiu-jitsu. And um she was getting him. into the sport and he really got it. interested in it. And then she took her. to him to jiu-jitsu classes and like, "Fuck, this is actually kind of. fascinating." Yeah. And he'd never done. any kind of athletic things in his whole. life. And then. like when he was 60 There's a photo of. him like in his 60s and he's walking on. the street with his he'd gotten divorced. and he was dating some new girl. And. he's got the six-pack. He looks.

shredded. And when I when I first met. him, he was like doughy and he had a. thumb ring and he was like, you know, a. chef and you know, was into drinking and. he just became a jiu-jitsu addict and he. was training every [ __ ] day. And. sometimes twice a day. He would do a. private lesson and then he would take a. class every day. >> Wow. Yeah, he got a and then he he told. me he was taking his like, "When we're. hunting in Montana, he we were on the. ground in Montana." He wanted to like. learn some stuff. So, I was explaining. him certain like I'm like, "When you go.

for a darce, there's a way to get. There's a thing called the Japanese. necktie." And I was explaining to him on. the dirt. I was like. >> You guys all camouflaged out doing. jiu-jitsu? >> Yes. On the ground. But he's like he was so interested in it. that he was he was like constantly. asking questions. And he had guys that. were in the crew that had also gotten. interested in jujitsu because of him. So, like while he was there filming his. show, he also went down and was. training. He found a local jujitsu gym, and he went down there and trained while. he was there. He would train everywhere. on the road. Yeah, he would go to like.

foreign countries and train. Like he. didn't even speak the language, and you. know, he's just a [ __ ] famous guy. from TV, and he's just rolling in there. with like normal people and getting. strangled. 58, man. That's incredible. I. have no excuse. I'm I'm going to start. >> Yeah, do it. I want to put it in front. of my kid, for sure. Oh, definitely. I. mean, as soon as he can do it, I want. him to try. You know, if he likes it or. not, but it's like I feel like it's one. of those things. it's so good to connect with other. people in that way from such a young. age. It gives you confidence. And then.

if you if you love it, if he has a. passion for it, you don't have to worry. about him becoming a drug addict or. something because you can't be both. Like, you know, there's a few things. where like you can't be both. You've got. to really give that everything. Also, it. becomes like a real source of confidence. for kids. If they know that they can. fight, like they can avoid fights, people won't want to fight them cuz. they'll have a reputation. They can It's. very good to know It's also like you can. get out of things just by knowing how to. fight because you know like what people.

are doing and what they're not doing. You don't say anything stupid because. you're trying to trick a person into. thinking that you're a tough guy. It is. a quiet confidence that comes to these. guys. And also, if something does. happen, most people have zero idea of how to. fight. Right. Zero. And they think. they're just going to swing and hit you. in the face. And you see all this [ __ ]. coming way before it happens. Like, you. see them moving their right foot back. Like, oh god. Like, here we go. Like, it's it's like they're playing a. game, but they don't even know the.

rules. Like, they don't even know the. skill. They don't know anything. But, they've seen it on TV, and they think. they're going to be able to pull it off, especially if they're drunk. Oh, yeah. There's a whole Instagram channel that's. dedicated to fights on Sixth Street. here. Have you seen this? >> [laughter]. >> It's amazing, dude. It's incredible. You. can just watch it for hours. >> I've seen a bunch. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> A lot of them taking place right in. front of my club. Fights on the street are so scary. because guys fall and they hit their. head. That's it's that's how people die. People die when they get punched in the.

jaw and they go out and they just bang. their head off the ground. Or there's a lot of people out there. that'll when you're already out step on. your head and kick your head. You see. that a lot. That's. I don't understand anyone who has the. impulse to do that. That's crazy to me. Like if you've won the fight already, move on. That's that's scary stuff. That's evil. Well, some people that get. red with rage and they lose their mind. and then they wind up in jail for the. rest of their life and they're just. sitting in a cell going, "What the [ __ ].

One night drunk doing something stupid. and now I'm here forever." Yeah. It's. crazy. And there's and someone's dead. And someone's dead. And someone's. parents are crying and someone's. missing their father. Like [ __ ] man. >> Because he looked at my girlfriend. Yeah. >> That's crazy. I know. People are. [ __ ] Yeah, the best thing about. fighting is it teaches you not to fight. Very few of my friends that know how to. fight have ever been in street fights. It almost never happens. Mhm. It's just. like. It's just it's such a stupid thing to.

do. How many times in your life have you. had to use it like practically in a real. life? Never. Really? Never. Not since I. was in like high school. I've I've never. been in a fight fight, like an actual. fight, since high school. I avoid them. Yeah. I'm not like if I find out I can. [ __ ] you up and I could just get away, I'm like I'll just get away. I don't. need to prove. Right. >> what's the point? Also, here's the. thing. People always say, "Oh, if I. could fight, I'd [ __ ] people up." Great. And then they're going to come back and. kill you. You know? And then they're. going to run you over or shoot you or.

don't be stupid. Like it's it's. pointless. It's pointless. You know, I've had situations where I thought I. was going to have to [ __ ] somebody up. and I didn't. But, you have to have. self-control. You have to You know, you. have to be able to know And also, like, most people, like, if they want to fight. you, all you have to do is kind of like. put your hands up and move a little bit. Like, they're not going to be able to do. anything. They'll be swinging and you're. just like, "Come on, man. What are we. What are we doing here? What are we. doing?" And then it's it's The only time. people get hurt is when you engage. Like, you're both swinging at each.

other. If someone's swinging at you and. they don't know what they're doing, they. have almost no chance of hurting me. Like, it's just zero Unless I'm asleep, unless I'm really drunk, you have almost. zero chance of hitting me. Right. Unless. you really know what to do. If you. really know how to fight, most of those. people who really know how to fight. aren't fighting people anyway. >> fighting, yeah. Yeah. And I'm not going. to provoke anybody. I'm not going to. start a fight. So, it's like I mean, I know a few of my. friends that have had to [ __ ] people up. Gordon had to beat the [ __ ] out of a. homeless guy in Austin. >> What? Yeah. No way. Oh, yeah. Some.

homeless guy [ __ ] with him. >> dude. >> [laughter]. >> Boy, did he. And Gordon tried to get out of it, but. the the guy wouldn't and he put him to. sleep. Wow. >> Yeah. Put him to sleep and then called the. cops. The cops came and picked the guy. up. >> [laughter]. >> Humiliating. >> [snorts]. >> Oh, my god. It's the the wrong guy. But, that shows you how [ __ ] stupid people. are cuz Gordon's a gorilla. He's this. big giant 240-lb jacked dude who's uh. you know, I don't know how many time jiu-jitsu.

world champion. And then some [ __ ]. idiot. Right. probably high out of his mind. >> Yeah, drugs are bad. picks a fight with. him. I think he picked a fight with his. girlfriend first. I think he [ __ ] with. his girlfriend and [ __ ] with another. guy and just a problem. Just Some guys. are just nuts, man. Yeah. And you know, mental health issues and. But, fights are stupid. They're They're. so pointless. You know, organized fights is a. different thing. I mean, that's. high-level problem-solving with dire. physical consequences. That's what I. call it. That's what a real fight is.

Like a like we both agree we're going to. Yeah. make a certain weight. We're going. to meet set September 7th. Here it is. That's a different thing. >> thing. It's like a chess match and you. can't breathe, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah. But in chess the the pieces can only. move a certain way. Right. >> In jujitsu what's nuts is there's like. so many different variations. And then. you add in striking and wrestling and. like oh my god. It's so I love it. I I'll never get. tired of watching MMA. It's the most. exciting thing ever for me. I like other.

sports like I've really grown to love. football since I moved to Texas. And I. can watch a good basketball game. Baseball's hard. But to me it's all just. downtime unless fights are on. Right. If. fights are on I'm not watching anything. else. Like I've been at football games. like at UT games with the UFC on my. phone sitting there while I'm watching. the UFC. [laughter]. Man, I wish I I have football envy. I my. I went to a Christian school in Ohio and. we didn't have a football team. And I.

feel like if you don't like. grow up around it in high school, you. just don't understand like the nuance. I. understand the rules and I get it, but I. just. I don't know. I don't love it like. people do and I wish I did. I wish it. did the stakes just I don't understand. it. I don't understand. the team sport thing as much as I do. like I love MMA. I love watching UFC. because it's like the stakes are so. high. There's something about. one-on-one. Who's the better person. today? You know, that's you know, you. can't. there's no one to blame it on. Right. >> one person. It's a different thing. Like.

I I've grown to love it living here. My. wife is a big football fan. And so she. got me into it and then I've gone to a. bunch of UT games and they're [ __ ]. fun, man. And it's like when someone. scores a touchdown everybody wins. Like. the whole team cheer like the whole. audience like 80,000 people yeah. And there's something to that. Right. >> Cuz like when fighters fight and someone. gets knocked out, like people cheer and. it's exciting, but like you know, you. never know who's like if you're watching.

Justin Gaethje fight Max Holloway, I don't know who's for Justin Gaethje, who's for Max Holloway. You look out. there, like everybody's wearing UT. colors, right? >> Mhm. Or they're wearing, you know, Oklahoma colors. Like it's like you've. got your colors. Everybody you got your. outfits. Everybody's pumped. They they. cheer when this guy scores, they boo. when that guy scores. It's like more of. a team Everybody wins together. >> Yeah. Whereas like with MMA, you know, you there's. there's it's like you're just watching.

an individual. You're appreciating an. individual who's a rare human being. Type of human being that become a. becomes a guy who could become an MMA. world champion. That is a truly special. human. Like the amount of dedication and. drive and the amount of focus and. discipline and the courage that you have. to have to get in your [ __ ] underwear. and stand there with a cup on with. little tiny pads on your gloves in front. of another savage. Like another trained. killer who's been training for 18 weeks. for this one moment and they bolt the.

door shut to the cage. And then the. referee goes, "Fighter, are you ready? Fighter, are you ready? Let's go.". >> Crazy. And then the whole world is. watching, you're surrounded by 20,000. people and lights and cheering and you. you're trying to keep your [ __ ] together. and you're getting kicked and. How do you [snorts] sleep the night. before that? That would be my thing. I. don't think I could I wouldn't. It's hard. I would always get sick. I. would get sick before tournaments cuz I. wasn't sleeping. I was training really. hard and I didn't even take vitamins. back then. I was a dumbass. But cuz I.

was young. I stopped fighting when I was. 22. But for a lot of these guys, it is. hard. It's really hard to just relax. And then they grow to learn how to. relax. And then then it's really scary. Then it's really hard to beat them. because you a lot of guys are terrified. before they even get like Anderson Silva. in his prime, he would win fights at the. weigh-ins cuz they would just like look. at him. And he would be standing there staring. at you and you're like, "Oh my god, I. have to fight this guy tomorrow. Oh my, what have I done? Why am I doing this.

with my life?". >> [laughter]. >> Imagine doing that stare down with Mike. Tyson back in the Oh god. That'd be the. most terrifying guy Oh dude, it was. It. was. There would be guys who looked like. they were going to faint when the. referee was giving them instructions. You know, I remember he fought Bruce. Seldon and Bruce Seldon, who was a. beast, man. He was a [ __ ] tank of a. man and he looked like he was going to. faint during the staredown. I can't imagine. Yeah. Yeah, he was the. scariest of all time. He was. He was. absolutely the scariest of all time. The. scariest boxer that I've ever seen in my.

life. And there was a a period of time. between like 1986 and like. probably like around 1990 where he was. just [ __ ] running through everybody. It was so You would buy the pay-per-view. knowing that the guy was going to get. knocked out and hoping that you get your. money's worth. Cuz you look at the pay-per-view is like. whatever it was, 50 bucks or something. You know, like if it's like 30 seconds, you're like, "Ah, this is bullshit.". >> [laughter]. >> People would get upset that the the. pay-per-view was so quick. But I mean, that's what you were that's.

what you're signing up for. And those. kind of guys, I mean, when you got a guy. that's got every box checked, discipline, focus, training, genetics, everything all together, mindset, Right. He would beat guys like long. before they ever got in there cuz they. knew that they were they were fighting. this demon. This guy that just was so. much better than everybody else and you. there's no way you could catch up to. him. No. Wait, is it true about his.

Wasn't it like. his trainer died and then it kind of he. lost the whole. >> Yeah. Well, his trainer was Cus D'Amato. And Cus D'Amato was a legendary figure. in boxing. He had trained Floyd Patterson, um. um. Jose Torres. He'd he he trained uh like. a lot of like a legit world champions. And he was also a hypnotist. And uh he adopted Yeah, he was a. hypnotist. Yeah. Well, he was really into the mental side.

of fighting. He was more almost like. as much of a psychologist as he was a. boxing trainer. It was all about. tempering their mind and getting them. ready. Like he would tell Mike Tyson, "You don't exist. Only the task exists.". He'd say crazy [ __ ] to him. And he. adopted him when he was 13. So, Mike was. 13 and. came from Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. It was a horrible neighborhood. So, his. whole life was like crime and violence. and no love and just. terrible. And all of a sudden, this man.

took him under his wing, who was also a. legendary figure in boxing. Legendary. Like he was like he was the guru. And. oh, you know, he he basically it was. like the perfect storm. And then he was. also. his manager was this guy Jim Jacobs. And. Jim Jacobs was not just a manager, he. was an historian of boxing. And he had. this incredible library of all the great. fighters. So, he would watch film, you. know, like [ __ ]. those He like have a projection screen.

and he would watch film of like Jack. Johnson and Stanley Ketchel and, you. know, Sandy Saddler and all these great. fighters from back in the day, Roberto. Duran. He would just sit there and. absorb all these amazing fights. And. when you can watch Like that's one of. the great things about today, like especially with MMA, like if you look at the fights from 1993. and the fights from 2026, the skill. level is like magnitudes greater because. all these guys have grown up watching.

all these fights now. Because from the. time that MMA existed, it was on. television, you could watch it on. YouTube after that, and it was like. there was always fights that you could. see. So, you could see what guys were. doing. So, you had an understanding of. the level. So, kids would grow up. imitating their favorite fighters. You. would like grow up, you know, imitating. Jon Jones and imitating Cain Velasquez. and all these guys and you would. you you you could absorb a lot just by. seeing the elite level of these guys.

And Mike Tyson was one of the only guys. back then that had that ability. Interesting. Because he had this immense. library of the greatest fights of all. time. And so, he would be training with one of the. greatest trainers that ever lived, who. was probably the greatest psychological. trainer that ever lived. Also, the guy. was hypnotizing him at 13, programming. him to be this destruction machine. And. then he was watching fights. So, he was. watching all these guys, Jack Johnson. and all these like great old-school. champions and Jack Dempsey and like and.

he just absorbed it all. Incredible. >> would get in that ring with [ __ ] no. socks on and no robe and just like a. throwback. He was like one of He was. like he absorbed the energy of those old. great fighters, the Sugar Ray Robinsons. and the hardcore old-school guys who'd. fight like once a week, once every 2. weeks. Dude, is that how often they were doing. that? >> were fought so many times. I think. before Sugar Ray Robinson ever lost a. fight, he was 90 and 0. Something crazy.

like that. >> Wow. Yeah. 90. >> Something 90. [ __ ] crazy. Just crazy. Yeah. >> That's wild. >> Those and you to be able to watch that. kind of stuff when you're young, you. absorb it, you know? >> Sure. It's like kids that play. instruments now. Sure. I mean, you'll. see an 8-year-old online who's better. than any drummer in the '70s. >> Right. >> It's crazy. They're They're just how. quick they can how quickly they can get. better now. >> Oh, yeah. >> Because they have access to everyone all. the time.

>> Mhm. So cool. I would imagine that's. like that with all sports now. But, you. know, like you can like you could go. back and watch If you're a basketball. player, you could go back and watch. Jordan. You could watch Larry Bird. You. could watch, you know, LeBron, Kobe. You. could watch all these great basketball. players and see what they're doing. Whereas, if you were a young, you know, in the. '60s or '70s, like you only got to see. the people you saw. Yeah. You You were. as good as the people you were around, which is why it was so important to be a. part of like a great program in high. school and college, cuz then you'd be.

around like And then you go to the. states and see how these guys are doing. Oh, these guys are better than us. Like, I remember that from wrestling. Like, the only time when I was wrestling in. high school, the only time you get to. see like really good guys, you'd go. somewhere else. Like, I. I was I went to school in Newton, Newton. South High School. And we had good. wrestlers in our program. And I thought. they were good until I would go to. states. And you go, "Oh my god, these. [ __ ] guys They're These kids are. going to camps every year. They were. wrestling 365 days a year. They're like. obsessed with it." And then if you go to. like Iowa or somewhere like that, like,

good lord. It's a [ __ ] religion. there. I mean, they've been doing that. since they were babies. They've been, you know, it's like you you you you. absorb what you see. And you your brain. rises to the level of the competition. that you see. The last time I was really. into a boxer was Loma. Oh, yeah. >> watching him, man. He's got a cool. story, too. Didn't his dad make him do. ballet for a while? >> Ukrainian dance. For 2 years. Pulled him. out of boxing for 2 years. >> That guy moves like it doesn't look. real. Right.

>> Like, people shouldn't be able to move. like that. >> they call him. >> Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, he would do footwork that no one. had even considered doing before. The. The movement, the slipping to the side, and the angles, and the His ability to. change direction was crazy. Cuz he would. be here, and then he'd be here, and then. you're swinging, and he's here, and he's. hitting you, and ba ba bang. And he also. was way smaller than everybody. He was. way smaller than everybody. Like, he was. supposed to be a 126-lb fighter. And he. went all the way up to the 140-pound. division. Are there like a lot of. younger guys doing that.

sort of style now coming up, or is it Is. that like a one-off? >> It's kind of a one-off. Usyk does it, but Usyk was trained by Lomachenko's. father. Oh. They were trained by the. same guy. So, Usyk is essentially like a. heavyweight Lomachenko. That's why he. moves so much. >> That guy is a freak. He's a freak. He's. a. He's a pleasure to watch. Watching that. guy, I mean, he's beating guys that are. so much bigger than him. When When he. beat Tyson Fury, Tyson Fury was like 280. lb. And he's like a cruiserweight. He.

was really a 200-lb guy that blew up to. to compete against heavyweights. He's. much smaller than those guys, but he was. so fast and so and so just his his. pattern recognition, his understanding. of boxing is just elite, like so many. levels above everybody else. And he's. 38. Like at 38, you're supposed to be. done. >> Yeah. No, 38 is in his [ __ ] prime. Amazing. Also, clean life, clean living, like serious Christian, like very very.

religious, you know, doesn't doesn't. party, doesn't [ __ ] around, you know, and he just trains with like rigid. discipline. Yeah. >> That Soviet style discipline, the. Ukrainian discipline, like those guys. like their program over there, like you. see it like in Dmitry Bivol and a lot of. the other like Soviet style boxers. They. have like a very comprehensive technical. program that they put their fighters. under. There's a style like Bivol is the. the best example of that style. It's. such a [ __ ] difficult style cuz it's.

so movement-based. And a lot of like. American fighters were kind of rigid in. their footwork and moving forward just. trying to land the big shots and like. Bivol is just moving around you all the. time, popping you and like uh Yeah. Sort [snorts] of like the Dagestani guys. in MMA. Same thing. Oh, yeah. You're not. going to beat those guys because it's. all they do. Bro, they're in They live, eat, and breathe. They're in Muay Thai. now. There's this kid that I I'm. obsessed with. He's 22 years old. His. name is Asadulla Im.

Imangazaliev. I don't want to [ __ ] it. up. Uh Asadulla Imangazaliev. He's a. [ __ ] freak, man. He's 22 years old. and he's destroying world champions in. Muay Thai. Just killing them. >> He's Dagestani? >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. So, the Dagestanis have taken. over striking too now. [laughter] Good. >> Well, this guy's nuts, man. He's so fluid, too. It's. It's nuts to watch him, man. He's He like He moves like nobody else. moves. He's real tall for the weight.

class, so you can't even get close to. him. He's [ __ ] you up from the. outside and just This is the guy. >> Yeah. That's This This guy is a [ __ ] freak, man. He's just doing things different than. everybody else. Wow. And he's destroying people. Just. destroying everyone. Everyone he fights. He's so unusual, man. And again, he's from a hard part of the. world, man. You know, you grow up in.

some [ __ ] soft neighborhood and your. dad takes you to karate classes. >> [laughter]. >> No chance. >> You got to fight this [ __ ] dude? >> This guy's fighting for his dinner. He's. just merking people. It's also He comes. from a culture that like reveres combat. sports. You know, they have their their. their champions. Guys like Islam. Makhachev Nurmagomedov, like they're. legends over there. >> Yeah. You know, and everybody grows up. wanting to be one of those guys. >> Where was Fedor from? He's from Russia. Is he? Oh, yeah. He was the first. >> watching him growing up, man.

>> the first. >> So, I used to watch him before. auditions. Really? >> Yeah, there was just something about his. like mindset where he's like his. he was so even-keeled. Yeah. Stoic. >> Yeah, it's like his heart rate didn't. change or something. Even when he won, he'd just be like, and like sort of walk. off. Like that's so cool. Yeah, his expression never changed. >> Yeah, he was one of the all-time greats, if not the all-time great. He was. different than everybody else. And he. was a heavyweight that could submit you, he could knock you out. He was fast, he. wasn't big. I mean, he was like 5'11.

>> Very unassuming. Like, you wouldn't know. he was the most dangerous guy in the. world. Belly fat, little He didn't give a [ __ ]. what he looked like. He was all about. how he could perform. Right. You know, and he was a part of like that era where. MMA emerged. And in Japan, it was so. much bigger than it was in America. During the Pride days, when Fedor was. running [ __ ]. there was 90,000 people in those arenas. >> Woah. Yeah, they were doing like the. Tokyo Super Dome, they were doing these.

gigantic arenas. And like everyone was a. fan in the country. And then it all went. away because the the Yakuza was. involved, and there was a big scandal, and you know, and it's like MMA was. bigger in Japan than it was anywhere in. the world. And it just kind of like. fizzled out. >> Did you ever go to any of those in. Japan? I went to a UFC once in Japan. We. did one UFC in Japan, and I went there. It was really cool. It was just I was. just really happy to be in Japan for a. fight, cuz I you know, I've been such a. fan of Japanese martial artists and Jap-.

Japanese martial arts, period. And look, I have a I mean, I have a Miyamoto. Musashi tattooed on my arm. But being in there in Japan was like It. was interesting because they were so. educated. Like, they were really quiet. while the fights are going on, but then. when something would happen, even. something really technical, like. somebody passing the guard, they would. go, "Oh!". And they would all clap. Like, I was. like, "Woah, this is interesting.". >> Yeah. Like, it was like you could hear. each corner yelling instructions. Like, you wouldn't You didn't hear the crowd.

at all. There's 16,000 people in there. It was wild. It was a completely. different kind of audience. Like, very. respectful, very appreciative, and very. knowledgeable. It was It was cool. Do. you think if you didn't do what you did, would you rather watch. like UFC in person or would you watch it. at home? Uh in person's the best. You want to be there. You want to feel. the crowd. But I would want to be there. where I sit. Like I'm super spoiled. >> Yeah, you got the best seat in the. >> Yeah, I'm like I'm like the I can reach.

up and grab the cage. It's right there. Like I'm so spoiled. But um. you know, if you're in the bleachers, if. you're in like the nosebleeds, you're probably better off watching it. at home, honestly, because then you get. the commentary, you get to see replays, you get to see, you know, like close-up. If you got a big TV at home, you get to. see everything. I just sat close for the first time. I. went to the Paddy Pimblett fight. >> you? It was amazing. >> That was a good one. >> amazing, dude. But yeah, it's definitely. different hearing the sound. It's like a.

whole when you hear like bone on. >> When you hear like bone on bone, you're. like, "Whoa." Well, my favorite was. during the pandemic, we had fights at. the UFC Apex with no crowd. It was. insane. It was so cuz we were world. championship fights with no crowd. >> That's crazy. There was maybe like 50, 100 people in the room. Wow. It was like. mostly just staff of the UFC, the. trainers of the fighters, and some some. of the other fighters in the audience, and some friends in the audience, and. that's it. And the UFC Apex has a. smaller ring, too, a smaller cage. So.

it's like I think it's like. I want to say it's 40% smaller. It's a. lot smaller. Really? I didn't know that. >> Yeah. It's smaller. >> How How would that affect a fight? A. lot. Practically, really? >> much. It's not as much distance to get. away. You know, so a guy who likes to like. move around a lot and get away from. people. Like I saw Francis Ngannou. versus Stipe Miocic when Francis won the. title in the Apex with no crowd. >> That's crazy. >> And when Francis hits things, it's like. it's like hearing a baseball bat hitting.

a pumpkin. It's just whump. Yikes. And. and you're and you're right there. You. hear them breathing. You hear them grunt. when they get hit, you know. Right. You. hear the coaches yelling out, "Hands up! Hands up! Move! Move! Move!" You know, "Hit him with the one! One, two!". They're yelling out instructions and. it's like there's no one else there. It's silent. Wow. >> It's amazing. >> the way. Oh, that's my favorite. >> Cool. But, there's something about an. amazing crowd, you know, like when. you're watching a big world title fight.

in a in like in Vegas or in the Madison. Square Garden, an incredible place cuz. cuz the history of the place. You feel. it when you're in Madison Square Garden. But, my favorite is the Apex. How you feeling. about this White House card? That's. insane. >> Makes me a little nervous. So, I don't know if it's the best idea. in the middle of a [ __ ] war. Open up. some. >> Yeah. some room for some Yeah. tomfoolery. It seems like it. Yeah. Um. The card is not what they wanted it to. be, for sure. They wanted it to be like.

all world titles. But, you know, matchmakers have a very. difficult task. It's very hard to find. people that aren't injured, that are. like like that are ready at this. particular time because. the brutal aspect of the sport is that. guys are always hurt. They're always. training hurt. They're always getting. hurt. They fight hurt. They're always. No one very rarely is anyone going into. the octagon 100%. Sure. >> There's always something going on. Guys. are they're they're dealing with staff.

infections in camp and they're taking. antibiotics and it [ __ ] with your. endurance and maybe they've got a muscle. pull or a knee that's [ __ ] up and. when Francis Ngannou fought um Ciryl. Gane, he blew his ACL out. So, he had to. wrap his leg up and he had one leg. He beat him with one leg. That's crazy. Crazy. Guys have fought. with broken hands, you know. Um Alex. Pereira, he's beaten guys with a broken. foot. He fights with a broken foot. Just. stoic. Standing there. Knows his foot's. broken, doesn't give a [ __ ] He fought.

with a bad knee. His knee needed. surgery. Like he Like there's a fight. that he fought Jiří Procházka where he's. on top of Jiří they stopped the fight. and he does a forward roll to get off of. him after he knocked him out because he. couldn't stand on his left leg. I didn't know that. Did Was that like a. known thing while the fight was. happening? >> No. Oh. No. He had surgery after the. fight. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah, he had surgery after the fight. >> Pernal is really big in our house. because Brazil, right? >> Oh, yeah. >> Those Brazilians, man, they love each. other. It's crazy. My wife, she doesn't.

she doesn't even care about MMA that. much, but if there's a Brazilian. fighting, she's all about it. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, they're very, very proud. people. >> Yeah. And it's also like Brazil's where. it all started. They were having MMA. fights in Brazil in the 1930s. Really? >> Oh, yeah. Hélio Gracie, who's really the. the founder of all this [ __ ] He He's. the father of like the Gracie clan, the. Gracie family is like the greatest story. in the history of martial arts. That one. family has changed martial arts forever. And it really changed it because of.

Carlos Gracie and Hélio Gracie and. Carlson Gracie. This These three Gracies. who competed in these no rules fights. They don't have They didn't have time. limits back then, no gloves, no nothing. >> Hm. And they were fighting in giant. crowds in Brazil in the 1930s, 1940s. And they were figuring things out that. nobody had figured out before. They. figured out They took techniques from. judo. Like judo was mostly about throws, but there was some submissions. And so.

they concentrated only on the. submissions. And they honed and they. created Brazilian jiu-jitsu. Like. jiu-jitsu, which was a Japanese martial. art, but Brazilian jiu-jitsu is far more. technical than Japanese jiu-jitsu. And. even Japanese guys now train Brazilian. jiu-jitsu. >> I was going to say, is there any Are. there purists that only do the Japanese. style still or not really? >> really compete. >> Oh, okay. >> you you. I mean, you could because everybody. [clears throat] kind of knows everything. now because Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has made. its way into every other sport.

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu has made its way. into Russian [ __ ] and it which is. another combat sport which is also. elite. But Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu changed. the game and the Gracie family changed. everything forever. And you know and the the guy who fought. in the UFC, Royce, he wasn't even the. best guy in the family. And he he told. everybody, "My brother Rickson kills. me." Rickson was the man. Like Rickson. was above and beyond everyone back then. He was. He was a guy who did yoga. He was. meditating. He did this crazy thing with.

his stomach where he would do this. breathing where his stomach would suck. in. He was like a real freak and he was. undefeated. Like nobody could touch him. Mhm. He would he would go and do these. seminars. So he teach a seminar and teach it to. all these black belts and then he would. roll with all of them non-stop and just. tap out everybody. Everybody. World champions. They're all. like, "Ah, this is a bunch of hype." And. they go in there. They all get they all get arm barred. They all get leg locked. Like it was. crazy. He was so much better than.

everybody else. And so they wanted Royce. to win because Rickson also was like. pretty jacked and he was like really fit. and he was really into fit he was really. into strength and conditioning and and. and I like I said yoga. He was. incredibly flexible. Like he could stand. there and do the splits and like hold. his leg up in the air on a balance bar. You see the one that wrote that book? >> Yeah. Yeah, I read that. It's awesome. >> And he had that documentary. It's a. great documentary called Choke. Phenomenal documentary about his rise. through Japan Vale Tudo and then he was.

the guy he was the guy that they based. the first Pride event on on. Oh, okay. >> He was the champion of the first Pride. event. He was the guy that the whole. thing was based on cuz he was huge in. Japan. I mean he was a superstar in. Japan. But he was the champion of the. family and they wanted Royce to do it. because Royce was like smaller and he. would show that jiu-jitsu was about. technique. That makes sense. >> And they the plan was if Royce ever got. beat throw in Rickson. Oh, okay.

>> [ __ ] But Rickson like his brother. Horion started the UFC and Horion and. Rickson had friction and Horion really. couldn't control Rickson. And so they were like, let's put Royce. in and if we need to call on Rickson, we'll call the boogeyman. Nice. [snorts]. >> He was the boogeyman. Remember the guy, I think it was UFC 1 who had the one. glove? One boxing glove. >> Yeah, Art Jimmerson. Yeah. What was that. about? Well, he I think he decided he. wanted to be able to hold on to people. and he wanted to punch him with his. right hand. >> [laughter]. >> Weird tactic, yeah. Well, no one knew.

what the [ __ ] they were doing back then. Everybody. >> Jackson dude, you know. >> [laughter]. >> Everybody had this idea of what fighting. was and they didn't really know until. they got taken down. There's Oh, there. he is. Oh, this is left hand. So, that's interesting. So, I guess he. wanted to pop him with a jab. Was that. Royce just [ __ ] put it to that guy? Amazing. But Royce was doing something. that nobody had seen before and that one. event when he was doing that to people, it changed everything. It changed my. opinion of martial arts. I immediately.

started taking jiu-jitsu. I was like, oh. my god. You were taekwondo? I started. taekwondo and then I did kickboxing for. a while and then when as soon as I saw. the UFC, I immediately started taking. jiu-jitsu. Yeah. I was like, oh god, I. don't And then when I started taking it, I was so cocky. I was like, I know how. to fight. And then I took classes and. was just getting manhandled and mauled. and tapped left and right. I was like, oh my god, I'm a beginner. Yeah. This is. so humiliating. I was like, I got to get. good at this. Like this is I couldn't. believe how helpless I was. I was.

running around thinking [laughter]. thinking I was a badass and I was just a. fool. Yeah, it'll humble you real quick. >> Oh, so humble. I've gone through that. I. I did it for, you know, maybe a couple. months and I just I never made it past. the hump. I should probably try again, but Get a trainer. Get a guy who can do. drills with you. That's really huge. If. you can get someone to do drills with. you and like just go over like like on a. one-on-one basis the the the the finer. aspects of it and just do drills and. drills drills over and over again and.

then slowly start working your way into. group classes. Yeah. That's the key. I. think the thing is with you know, if you. if you go to a boxing class Muay Thai. class, you get to get some frustration. out. >> Right. >> Cuz you're hitting something and it kind. of feels good on your drive home. You. feel like I just beat the [ __ ] out of. that bag, you know. Yeah. >> But then you do you roll with somebody. who's really good and you go home and. you're more frustrated. But the first. time you tap someone, it's like. it's such a revelation like oh my god, I. got an armbar. Oh my god, I got a. triangle. Like the first time you.

actually catch someone something and. they tap, I'll never forget that feeling. I was. like wow. And then you have to just. trust the process. Trust the process of. showing up and and realizing it is a. tall mountain to climb. It's you're not. going to get there quick. It is a it's a. weird thing to do with your body. Your. body doesn't know what to do with it. That's why drilling is so important. When you're drilling, you're going over. the motions without resistance. So your. body sort of gets programmed how to. shift switch switch your hips and how to.

catch the arm and how to pull your body. back and secure it with your legs and. all the different things that you have. to do where if you're doing just live. sparring all the time, you you're not. going to learn cuz you're all panicking. and tight. You got to be able to like. train your body to move a certain way so. it becomes automatic. And is there a way. to do it where you can stay. relatively injury-free while you're. learning? Or is it's like that's just part of the. >> It's kind of part of it. >> Yeah, I was going to say. It's kind of. part of it. Yeah. Everybody just sort of.

assumes you're going to eventually get. hurt in one way or another. You're going. to [ __ ] your knee up or [ __ ] your ankle. up or whatever. Right. >> But the best way is to find good. training partners. Don't train with any. wild people cuz some people just yank on. things and those are dangerous. The. really dangerous people are like blue. belts who are really strong. Or who just. like really spaz out on you. Like kind. of avoid those folks cuz they can blow. your knee out accidentally. Yeah. You. know, I've seen that a lot. Like I know. people that are really good that won't. roll with people that are spazzes.

They're like, "I'm not I definitely ran. into a couple of the guys that are like. they just wanted to choke out Casey. Dutton. >> [laughter]. >> Of course. >> "Come on, man. I just started, dude." Of. course. I used to get that when I was on. Fear Factor. A lot of guys wanted to. choke out the Fear Factor guy. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. But you know, that's just part of the. fun. Like for Dane, like he was. 58-year-old white belt. Nuts. Wow. If. that guy did it, [ __ ] kind of anybody. can do it. What belt did he get to? I might have got to purple. Uh I he definitely got to blue. I don't.

know if he got to purple, but he won. tournaments. Wow. >> He competed in tournaments, you know? And uh I remember when he first started. doing he's like, "I'd really like to. compete in some age-appropriate. tournaments." I was trying to talk him. out of it. I was like, "You'll get hurt, man. We need you out. there.". Yeah. He was obsessed. If he could do. it, like that just goes to show you a. guy with no athletic experience, not a. worker, didn't train, didn't didn't do. any working out, wasn't a runner, didn't. lift weights, nothing. And then at 58.

he's like, "All right, I'm going to get good at. this." That's amazing. Yeah. Good for. him, man. It's awesome. Well, he was a. guy that had had substance abuse. problems in his past. And the thing. about being an addict is if you can. focus whatever that thing is and get. addicted to something really good, you. you can. you can really excel. Sure. For whatever. weird reason, also there's a flip side. So people that are addicted to a sport. or a thing and they get really good at a. thing and then they become drug addicts,

that same thing can kind of hijack your. brain and then all you're doing is like. chasing meth all day. Right. I've seen. that happen, too. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Should get back into it. It's a. fun thing to do. It's good for your. head, too, because it's the hardest. thing you'll ever do. It's so hard cuz. you're essentially what you're the game. you're playing is. I kill you or you kill me, right? So, when a guy gets your back and gets your. rear naked choking you tap, you're. essentially saying you just killed me.

Mhm. All right. Thank you for not. killing me. I give up. And then when you. do it to him, he's saying that to you. Yeah. So, it's so hard that the rest of. your life is easy. Right. Everything. else becomes easy. Like all the stress. of fame, success, and Hollywood, and the. [ __ ]. is nothing compared to some dude. mounting you trying to get in your you. got you're trapped in an arm triangle. You're like, "Yeah, I can't I can't. trying to get your hand down to protect. yourself.". >> [laughter]. >> It's way harder. And that that makes the. rest of your life easier. If you can.

choose what's hard in your life, you'll. be way better off. Yeah. >> find a thing that's way more difficult. on your mind, way more difficult on your. body, way more difficult on your spirit. Mhm. than this other thing that you do. So, it'll like make that other thing. like easier to tolerate. >> Yeah. And stay humble, too. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Super humble. You're not. going to think you're cool for being. able to say some lines. >> [laughter]. >> Some people get Well, that's the other. thing, right? You get really intoxicated.

with everybody kissing your ass. Oh, yeah. Easy easy trap to fall in. >> seen that. Yeah. We've all seen actors. that are just like inflated. Oh, for. sure. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm a little. blessed in the way that I've never. thought I was very great at anything. Um. I enjoyed doing the things, but I've. never you know, like never really. I'm never good enough for myself. Kind. of hard on myself a little bit, but I've. seen it for sure. If if if you're. waiting for someone else to validate. you, once they do, you're screwed. Right. >> Cuz you're going to believe it. >> Right. >> I mean? Yeah. So. Well, this is the.

problem with being a star is that like. all these people need you and the world. their world of the show revolves around. you. So, they're all like, you know, kind of kissing your ass and reverent. towards you. It's like it's gets a. little weird. Yeah. Yeah, that and. that's new for me, too. You know, I I've. never been anything that was like a. massive hit before Yellowstone and now. with this new show. now it's a hit and I'm the number one on. the call sheet, which is very new. And. so, I'm like a. you know, I'm an asset to them in a.

different way. Um so, it'll be interesting navigating. that. See how. >> They'll probably try to talk you out of. doing jujitsu. Yeah. I probably have to. sign something that I won't. You know, I'm not allowed to like ski. There's a. lot of things because of the insurance. Like if I get hurt and production has to. shut down it's a lot of money for them. So. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. >> I don't know if that's one of them. though. But it's like yeah, skiing Don't. ask. >> It's funny cuz horseback riding usually. is and I have to do that for the show. [laughter] That's the most dangerous. >> Yeah. Horseback riding scares the [ __ ].

out of me. Dude, it's me, too. It was. not It didn't come natural. That's not. like a thing that I'm naturally good at. or had done before Yellowstone. My. oldest daughter did it for a little bit. in California and she fell a couple. times and one time she hurt her wrist. really bad and I was like, please stop. Don't do this. Cuz she was doing those. things where you'd like jump over stuff. Like you know, they jump over stuff. >> Cuz they stop just shy of that thing and. you go. >> Right. Her friend She had a good friend. that was really into it and they started. doing it together and I was like please. don't and she fell a couple times and.

she was okay, but one time she really. hurt her wrist and I was like, please. stop because your wrist they can fix. Your neck. you get like Christopher Reeves, you. know. >> Oof. Oh, I think about Christopher. Reeves every time I get on a horse. I. believe it. >> I didn't. That was what he did, right? He was doing the jumping thing, right? >> Was it? I believe so. >> Yeah. Yeah. I just don't I don't Yeah. I don't. get it. >> ride motorcycles? >> Nope. No, I don't either. >> Almost did. Almost did. I was taking. lessons. Uh me and a couple of the other guys.

that worked on the crew at Fear Factor, uh we all took motorcycle lessons. together. We were all talking about it. And so, we took motorcycle safety. courses, you know, you basically ride. and like it's kind of like a dirt bike. and they teach you how to, you know, shift and all this stuff. And I kind of. got into it. I was like, "Ooh, this is. really fun." And then, three of my. friends had motorcycle accidents like. within a short time period. Um one of. them wiped out, [ __ ] up his shoulder. The other one got hit by a car, broke. his leg. And then, the other one was.

actually someone saw someone. It wasn't. an actual motorcycle accident. He was. there when some guy got rear-ended by a. car that wasn't paying attention, just. plowed into him and sent him flying and. [ __ ] this guy up. And I was like, "No." No, man. >> No, no, no, no. I'm not doing that. >> a bike for a couple months in LA and uh. I went on a ride and you know, it's like. one of those things, you you have to. have the bug. You like either have it or. you don't. And I was trying to get the. bug. I cuz I wanted that to be a part of. my identity. You know what I mean? >> [laughter]. >> I wanted to be a guy who rode.

motorcycles. So, I rode up the Pacific Coast Highway. and I was kind of riding up through like. Ojai. and going around this corner, and you. know, this sort of like cliffside and. it's that thing where if you stare at. something, that's where you're going to. go. And I just kind of was like zoned out. and I almost ate [ __ ] right into the. side of this cliff. And I was alone. Like if I would have done it, it would. have been forever until anyone figured. out like what had happened to me. You know, and I kind of it was a really, really close call and I just got off the. bike and I kind of sat there for a. minute and I was like, "Yeah. I don't.

love it enough to die this way. You know. what I mean? I don't need this in my. life." and I never never did it again. I. have friends that have never had a. problem. I have friends that ride bikes. and have never had a problem. I think if I lived in Montana, I might. do it. Cuz there's just not that much traffic. No, but my 70-year-old neighbor just hit. a deer. Ooh. 70 years old on his like, you know, his one of them BMW like. adventure bikes. Ooh. And he was going 70 on the highway and. hit a deer and. Yeah, he's he and he's fine, dude. This. guy's a tank. But How old was he? >> 70.

Woah. >> Killed the deer. He had road rash. everywhere. He was kind of like, you. know, on the couch for a few weeks. >> fine? Dude, he is a tank. This guy. [laughter]. They make them different out there, dude. He's my next door neighbor. He's. amazing. Shout out, Steve. Wow. >> He uh he's got a range in his backyard. to 500 yards. Oh, wow. >> And has every firearm imaginable. And. things you didn't even know they made. And so anytime I can just, you know, ride over there in the side-by-side, we. grab a few and go down and shoot in the. back. He's got. >> Oh, that's nice. That's cool. Yeah, you. find people like that in Montana. Oh,

yeah. Yeah. >> He's the real deal. Wow, but 70 years. old hitting a deer is crazy on a bike. Yeah, killed the deer and he uh. about a month later he was all right. He. was back on the bike. >> Oh, boy. Jeez. I've seen some videos of guys hitting. deer. Like you see like from their. camera. And you see this thing leap in front of. the road and then. >> [laughter]. >> and you just see. Yeah, deers are they they're everywhere.

out here, man. When I'm driving home, I. drive slow. There's like a certain road. near my house where they just pop out. all the suicidal deer. Just pop out. especially like around the rut. Where. the the the bucks are chasing the does. and they're not chasing straight. They. just they're out just out there like. [ __ ] Yeah. [ __ ] hungry standing in. the road staring at you. I love. explaining to people how the rut works. cuz it works just like humans. I'm like. the only time they're dumb enough that. you're going to get one is when they're. horny. Right. You know. >> But for them it's once a year, which is. way crazier than us. Can you imagine?

I'm pretty sure it all came at once. Bro, if humans had a rut, I would go on. vacation during that time. I'm like I'm. hiding. [laughter] I'm not I don't want. to be anywhere near You'd probably like. murders, car accidents. >> Lock me in jail for that month or. whatever. >> [laughter]. >> Exactly. Like get bunker. Get a bunker. and lock down with Netflix for a month. [ __ ] that. There is no way, man. That. would be crazy. Imagine if the whole. world had to rut at the same time. Oh my god.

>> movie idea. It is a good movie idea, right? That's actually a great movie. idea. >> Just call it the rut. Yeah, like human. beings evolve or maybe there's like. genetic engineering cuz they decided the. pop there's overpopulation and the. solution to it is only have people breed. at certain times. It also like keep. people from being distracted all the. time cuz like how many people are on. dating apps and how many people are. like, you know, going to bars and trying. to find someone. It's like it's a huge. waste of your time. >> Oh my god, my 20s and 30s were just.

blown because of it. It's all I thought. about. >> Massive massive waste of your time. If. there was like a solution to that, the. solution would be like well everyone's. only going to breed. only during November. Maybe it's the best thing ever. >> [laughter]. >> It'd be great if there was like a switch. you could flip, you know, like a little. boy you like flip it and then go out and. figure it out. >> rest of the year like you don't even. care about girls. Like you'd be so. productive, man. Bucks just walk by a. female doe in like, you know, [ __ ]. June. They don't give a [ __ ] about it.

And they don't have their antlers so. they look the same. >> Right. >> They you know what I mean? They lose. their masculinity entirely. >> Right. Right. Right. Well, they get it. back pretty quick. Those [ __ ] things. grow quick. It's like they fall off. within a a month or two they start. growing nubs. Isn't it the fastest. growing bone material on the on the. planet? >> Yeah. I think elk is. Well, it could because that's nuts. I. mean like you look at a foreign and it. 400-in elk. Like some of those antlers. that are out there. Imagine that that. grows in a couple of months. It's bone.

>> It's crazy. And they fight to the death. with it. Crazy. >> Like we find elk that have been killed. by other elk. It happens all the time. Have you hunted in Montana? Yeah. Not. not elk. I've hunted mule deer in. Montana and pheasant the time I went. with Bourdain. I'd never done elk until I moved up. there. I started hunting whitetail when. I was like 10, like really young cuz we. have big whitetail in Ohio. And I thought hunting elk would be. similar. No. >> And boy was I mistaken. Bro, it is when. you Were you bow hunting or rifle. hunting? I've done both, but my first.

was a bow hunt. And we went out there and we were. camping out there, me and I just made. friends with this the contractor that. built my house in Montana and he took me. We went public land around Dillon, Montana. And we [snorts] went for a week and I. had to tap out day four. Like I couldn't. my my legs stopped working. I didn't I. was like I didn't know I had it was like. this. So the next year I went I was like. prepared for it, but I didn't know man. You really got to go for it. >> Oh, you got to get in shape. >> Yeah. I do a lot of [ __ ] before. September. I do I I have this crazy.

routine that I do on a Airdyne bike. I. do these Tabatas on an Airdyne bike. where you sprint for 20 seconds, you. rest for 10, you sprint for 20 seconds. Yeah, I do that first. >> And all I'm doing is thinking about. getting over a hill, getting over a hill. to get a shot. I mean and then I do like. box step ups. I do all these different. things with weighted vests and farmers. carries with [ __ ] heavy kettlebells. All I'm doing is just trying to. condition my legs. >> Yeah. You have to like those mountains. are brutal. There's no mountains here. for me to practice on, but in California.

I used to run hills with my dog. >> Yeah, and you're at elevation which. makes it even harder. And a weird thing people wouldn't expect. is like just, you know, makes it even. worse. You get up in the morning it's. 0°. Middle of the day it's 50-60 and you're. hiking all day. So it's like how do you. dress for that? You have to dress to be. cold. >> Yeah. >> Like once you start walking, you have to. be cold. Yeah. >> Like you got to get down to your base. layer and walk cold. And then if you. ever have to stop, then you put it on. And the other key, merino wool. Mhm.

That's the key. [clears throat] Because. wool is different than cotton. If your. cotton gets wet and then you you're. sweaty and then you get cold, you're. [ __ ]. >> Right. But wool's not like that. Merino. wool is the best because like if you. have a especially a base layer because. when you're sweating, it kind of keeps. you a little cool and then um if you get. cold, it doesn't it it doesn't feel cold. because it's it's not synthetic. It's or. it's organic. >> Makes sense. Yeah, it's a weird fiber.

>> used to walk to the deer stand kind of. in half of our stuff, keep the other. half in a pack and then like once I got. in the tree stand, I'd put everything. else on so that you wouldn't you know, the sweat wouldn't freeze to you. >> That's hard. Deer hunting in a tree. stand is [ __ ] hard. It's like a. silent retreat and you're freezing. Yeah. And you're freezing and you're. sitting up there waiting for a deer to. walk by and then you're so cold when a. deer walks by, you go to pull your bow. back, you're like, oh Jesus. Yeah. Like, why am I so weak? Yeah. Like you could. barely pull your bow back when you're up. in the tree. Yeah, but nothing I mean no.

no challenge whatsoever compared to elk. hunting. That was my blew my mind how. hard that was. And the guy I went with, you know, he grew up in Montana. He's. like a mountain goat. I just like couldn't keep up with this. guy, man. I'm like, this isn't How do. you do this? Just constant all day long. You can't just get out of your off your. couch and go elk hunting in the. mountains. You can't do it. No, you got. to get in shape. Yeah, like my friend. Cam Hanes, that's why he started. running. He he he became a ultra runner. Yeah, he's doing like 250 mile stuff, right? >> Yeah, he does like these three-day runs. He try to get you into that? Have you. done any of that? >> [laughter].

>> No chance. I have one knee that sucks. I. have one knee that I I [ __ ] up in. martial arts. It's missing meniscus and. I cracked it skiing too. I wiped out. skiing, got a fracture of the top of my. tibia. So it's like it it's. if I start running, it would get beat up. real bad. >> Right. But I do there's plenty of. conditioning you could do without. running, you know, but it's the the. pounding of running. it's not good for my knee. There's something so amazing though. about getting to that first thing in the. morning when the sun's coming up and.

you're glassing. Mhm. And you're just. like, this is what I always wanted. hunting to be like. Yeah. It's the real. thing. It's like, this is what it's. supposed to feel like. You're so far out. there. You know, I didn't get to go the last. couple years. My wife was having. our baby 2 years ago, so I wasn't. allowed to be in the woods with no. service. And then last year I was. shooting the show, but this year I'm. going to be able to go. I got a good. spot. And even if I'm shooting the show, it's like it's right there. Well, they. have phones now that have satellite. service. Um I think you get Is that Does. T-Mobile have that now? Where you can.

get Starlink. on your on your phone? I know they're. doing that soon. And you know, you can. text message with iPhones. You can I got. done that in the middle of the woods. And you know what the best thing is, man? When we were in [clears throat]. Utah last year, the last 2 years I've. had a Starlink mini. It is the [ __ ]. It's like the size of an iPad. You just. lay it down on the ground, you use the. app, and the Starlink app will tell you. which way to point it to, and you get. high-speed internet. I have one for when.

we shoot. We're like cuz we're in the. middle of nowhere, so. It's so awesome. >> best. >> It's so good. You get You can. Here it is. T-satellite. Yeah. That's the [ __ ] man. Yeah, so you can. Can you make phone calls? Or is it just. internet? It's phone calls, too, right? Texting and select satellite-ready apps. Okay, just texting? Uh. satellite service including text to 911. may be delayed, limited, or unavailable.

So, you can just text and some. satellite-ready apps right now. So, that's like everywhere. That's cool. Yeah. So, eventually. they'll have. it'll be like Starlink will be connected. to your phone, and you'll be able to get. high-speed internet everywhere in the. world if we don't have World War III bro. blow everybody up. But. there's a the elk hunting thing that the. the thing that makes it all the more. exciting is like they're moving around.

You got to sneak up in on them. You're. playing the wind. And then the sound. they make when they're SCREAMING AT YOU. AND YOU HEAR IT, YOU'RE LIKE, IF YOU. NEVER knew what that was, you would. think there's demons in the woods. >> Yeah, demons or like T-Rex. Right. It's crazy. The sound is so incredible. It's so incredible. And it's so hard to. do. It's like that to me is one of the. things that I love like every year. because everything goes away. It's so. difficult It's so difficult to get in. shape for it. So difficult to manage.

your way into the mountains and and to. be in shape to be able to do it day. after day. And then to be able to pull. off a shot. You know, like you know, like you have this brief moment the. thing's 65 yd away and you draw back and. >> Yeah. trying to settle your pin and You. could have done all of that just to like. mess it up. >> Yeah. >> One little tiny, yeah. And it happens. all the time. But when you're. successful, oh my god, it's the greatest. feeling of all time. And then when. you're eating it and then you're you're. you know, you're at home and you're on. the barbecue grilling these elk steaks.

like I can't wait to do this again. Yeah. It's so exciting. Yeah. And it's. just but it's the being out there it's. like a vitamin. It's like a vitamin that. you didn't know you needed. It's like. your whole body's like, oh, this is so. much better than regular life. >> You can't be mentally unwell. No. It's. like impossible. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's amazing. You just feel so. much better. The air is better. You. know, it's like and you're more focused. You're not distracted and you just you. feel alive. Yeah. And then it's also the.

majesty of nature. You just around these. trees and the mountains and you catching. all these animals that are out there and. you know, you see eagles flying. overhead. You're like, >> And like day three you're like, I think. I'm just going to move out here. Just. kidding. [laughter] I'm just going to do. this. And then you go back to real life. and you're like, oh, yeah. I think that. all the time. >> [laughter]. >> I think that all the time that I like to. live in the mountains. My wife is not. down with it, but I'd love it. Yeah. I. might get a place somewhere one day in. the mountains, just a retreat, just to. be able to just disconnect, shut off for.

a while. I think that's probably a good. idea. I love it. I think I wonder though. now that I have a kid, like we're going. to have to start thinking about, you. know, school for him and stuff and I. don't there's really not I don't know if. I don't, you know, once we get there. we'll figure that out, but we're going. to probably have to get somewhere closer. to some people, you Doesn't Bozeman have. good schools? Where where are you What. are you near? Um I'm I'm about an hour. south of Missoula. So I fly to Missoula. to go home. Missoula has good schools, right? Yeah, but I'd have to move closer.

to Missoula and at that point I'm like, why don't I just, you know, move to a. city I guess, you know. Ew. I know. >> [laughter]. >> I think the move might be getting. somewhere, you know, a little more. populated and then keeping like a cabin. in Montana like you were talking about, you know, and then taking him out there. whenever we can. That'd probably be the. thing. >> Do you have a place in your house where. you record? Do you have like a little. recording studio or anything? >> Yeah, like a just for me to record demos. to send to people to actually record, just to be like this is something I've. been working on or, you know, kind of a. setup like one of these and and a.

computer. Um but yeah, I do a lot of writing up. there. It's a a great place to write. songs. How do you write? Do you write on. paper or do you just start strumming and. singing? >> every time. Sometimes I'll have like a. it'll it'll be a melody, it'll be a. guitar riff, it could be like a lyrical. idea, some sort of hook, you know, it. comes in a lot of different ways. And. then sometimes I'll. finish something on my own or sometimes. I'll do a Nashville trip and sit with. some other writers that I like and, you. know, we'll kind of like banging out.

together and. that's the coolest part of the process, man. There's something about making. something out of absolutely nothing. It's like addicting, you know. It's. really cool. Yeah, jokes are similar in a way I bet. I've never really been a songwriter, but. I'm guessing. So it's like creating. something out of like out of your mind. And then all of a sudden it's a thing. and then you're performing it in front. of people. And it's like I've heard you. talk about this and and any good. creative person talk about this, but. like it comes to you. Yeah.

>> really take credit for a good idea. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Like I'll just be driving and be like, "Whoa, that's where did that come from?". Like whatever that is, give me more of. it. I love it, you know. >> I was talking to Michael Pollan about. that yesterday. We were talking about. consciousness. And we were talking about. how it just seems like. you're not doing it. It's just coming. out of the ether. And it's just like and. you just have to show up and receive it. Hm. And if you show up enough. and you, you know, pay homage to the. muse and sit there. Do you ever read War.

of Art, Steven Pressfield's book? I got. a box of copies. I'll give you a copy if. you're out there. He always get Well, I. bought a box of copies. I bought a bunch. of them and I used to hand them out to. comedians and artists when I was on the. show. I was like, "L- Just listen to me. You got to read It's a really small. book. It's easy, but it's one of the. best books ever about creativity. And it. essentially just he tells you if you. treat it like there is a muse, like. there is a god, a goddess that will give. you ideas as long as you pay respect to.

the muse. You have to show up on time. every day, sit there and do it. And. sometimes you get nothing. Hm. But you. just got to keep showing up, keep. showing up and trust in that process. And eventually you're like, "Oh my god, this idea is so good. Yeah. >> it come from? >> That makes sense. Where did it come. from? Yeah, when I'm when I'm when I'm. in a really good spot, sort of mentally, emotionally, spiritually, taking care of. myself, sleeping, I get more of those. Yeah. And I know there's this like. mysticism around like people who like, you know, Hunter S. Thompson or someone. like that who just kind of spend a lot.

of time being [ __ ] up and they still. get it. That never worked out really well for. me. >> [laughter]. >> I've tried it, trust me. It's not great. >> with with those guys they're trying to. get out of their own head, you know. They're just trying to get blasted so. they could just like just release. themselves from their life. And then. just. obliterated, and just start writing. Yeah. And then [clears throat] the muse. starts talking to them. Interesting. Yeah. Hemingway, or there's a lot of. guys like, you know, had to be sort of a little.

messed up. >> Stephen King. >> the thing. That's right. >> Yeah. Yeah, his book on writing is. fantastic, too. It's It's called On. Writing. Stephen King. >> I read that one. Yeah, it's great, right? >> good. He was obliterated. Like most of. his great work most of the great stuff. out of his [ __ ] mind on drugs and. alcohol and And some of those guys, like, once they stop doing it, they lose. the thing. I'm not, you know, name. names, but like. >> Him. There's some Yeah, there's some. artists I love that they kind of got. clean. Yep. >> And you're like, where'd the thing go? >> Yeah. >> unfortunate, you know. Yeah, it happens.

with comics, too. Does it? Some of them. though they get better. Like Dave Attell. got way better when he quit drinking. Um it's interesting. It doesn't always. It doesn't have to be that. But for a. lot of them, like that crutch, the. whatever it is that connects them to the. creativity once they eliminate that part. and try to keep try to stay alive, essentially, like Stephen King was like. killing himself. But his later work is just not. comparable. What's your process like. writing jokes? Like how does that start.

for you? Like how do you It It It is a. It's There's some ideas that just come. to me out of the middle of nowhere. Like. I'll be just hanging out and and then I. have an idea, or I'm driving in my car. and I have an idea, and I just have to. write it down. And then a lot of it is. just sitting down with a computer. Just. sitting down and like, what am I writing. about? I'm writing about immigration. Okay, let me. And it I write in essay form. So I don't. try to write like a stand-up comedy. joke, which I've tried before, but.

that's never works. But what does work. is if I lose myself in just ruminating. on an idea and just explore it from. every different angle and then I'll find. one paragraph I might write 2,000 words. and I'll find one paragraph and I'm like. that's it. And I'll take that out and. I'll put it in there and I'll try to. introduce it on stage and then I try to. figure out how to segue into it and then. I try to figure out how to expand on it. and then I'll take that one thing and. then I'll stare at that one paragraph. and I'll go what else? Like what else.

what's the other angle? Like what what. if I was not like that? What if What How. do I feel about if I was on the other. side of that? What if I'm the person. that's going through this and what if. I'm this and that? And then I'll try to. just try that and it's it's like I. always describe it as like you're trying. to. you're trying to build a mountain one. layer of paint at a time. And it's a long and bru- And then. sometimes it's not. Some jokes just come. to you in full form. >> Oh wow. Like the way I wrote it is the.

way I say it and it's perfect. >> Huh. And the but that's you can't count. on that either. Right. And again, I don't think they're mine. You know, they're just coming from. somewhere. Yeah. The key is just showing. up. That's the key. The key is like. sitting in front of that [ __ ]. computer or some guys don't like a. computer, they want a notepad, they want. pen and paper. They like they like it. better that way and I get it but for me. I can type like I don't have to look at. the keys, I can touch type. So for me I. can write a word out as fast as I'm.

thinking it which is way better for me. than writing down because I write slower. than I type. And so I want to be able to. get it all out. Hmm. I want to to me. it's like it doesn't And then I write it. on paper eventually. But when I first. write it, I want to write it down on a. computer because I can capture it. quicker. Yeah. And you can cut and paste and move. things to another file and start fresh. and like explore it again. This last album I did we tried a a. really a process than I'd done before.

Usually you go into a studio, you know, there's a lot of money behind it. You. got a big producer. You guys, you know, you're taking up their time. You have everything ready to go. But, um on this new one, we did. everything There's only two songs I'd. had already written. And eight out of. the 10 songs we wrote either the day of. or the night before in the studio. because. I wanted to make something as personal. as possible because, you know, the. subject matter is stuff where I'm like. if this is gimmicky or or over thought,

it's not. then I'm I'm sort of trying to like. capitalize on grief or things I'm. talking about. So, I want to go in and just be as open as. possible and just get what we get and. just try to, you know, tell the truth, which is, you know, it's the goal of. country, really, or it used to be. And so, yeah, we would um we would cut. and then. in the night after we'd cut, we'd sit. and try to write the song for the next. day. If we didn't get it, we'd show up. early next day and try to write the song. for that day. It was an amazing process. We call it.

the pressure cooker cuz it was just. like, you better get something cuz. you're on the clock. And. man, it was it was um I I don't I doubt. I'll ever do that again, but what a like. cathartic, amazing process. Like, there's cuz usually you you'll write a. song, you'll have a demo for it, some. something where you just sit down and. play guitar into your phone or something. just so you remember the melody, remember the chords. And you listen to it so much that you. get sick of it before you've ever even. cut it. And with this, there was never a. demo. There was never It was straight. from, you know, heart, brain,

tape. Like, it was it was pretty. special. I think there's something to be. said for pressure like that where it. forces you. It forces you to come up with something. Yeah, the pressure cooker, man. We just. we had to, you know. It was. It was It was amazing. Yeah, it just. like forces your synapses to fire. Yeah. There's something to be said for that. Like, there's that's a thing about. comedy, too. When you when you have a. new bit, like, part of the thing is like. take that bit when it's not really done. yet and just throw it out there in front.

of a crowd. >> Mhm. and find the beats. Find where it. is. And sometimes in front of a crowd, as you're saying it, you'll have a new. idea. Like. what the [ __ ] is this? Like why are we. doing it? And then that'll be the. biggest part of the joke. Like everybody. will laugh harder at that part than. anything else and it just comes to you. cuz you're under pressure. Yeah. Yeah, there's something about. there's something about forcing your. brain to do things. Like forcing your. Like you you just like you like you have. to do it. Like you can't just.

dilly-dally. No procrastination. It's. right there, right now. Let's go. >> Yeah. I mean, cuz you're you're directly. connected to whatever the thing is. >> Yeah. It's a it's like a flow state. And. then there's stuff that just comes to. me. Like John Mellencamp told me he. wrote Hurts So Good in the shower. Really? He was in the shower. >> [laughter]. >> Come on, babe. You make it hurt so good. And he's like it was done. Best shower. ever. Crazy. [laughter]. Sometimes love don't feel like it. should. Trust me. Why [laughter] is his armpits?

He was cool. He was an interesting guy. to talk to, man. [ __ ] dude just chain smokes. He's in. his 70s, just chain smoking. >> He was so happy he could smoke in here. And I was like, "You're not going to. quit that ever?" He's like This is what. he said. He goes, "Find something you. love and let it kill you." Yeah. >> [snorts]. >> I don't know if I'll let that that one. kill me. That's a rough [laughter]. that's a rough death, dude. A rough. death, man. >> Yeah. I'm uh I've I've dealt with. smoking for some time and I always.

promised my wife that I'd quit when we. had our kid. And uh we're almost there. We're getting close. >> the nicotine pouches? >> the Zyn. >> help? >> They do help. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's It's When I have a drink, though, it's. >> Oh, yeah. It's like I can't do one. without the other. I'm To quit smoking, I'm going to have to quit drinking. Really? >> Have to. Wow. >> I just can't imagine one without the. other. It's like a package deal for me. But, I'm okay to quit drinking at some. point. You've quit, right? >> Yeah. I quit and then started again. Oh,

really? >> Yeah, I started I'm back. Nice. I quit. for like 8 months. I didn't miss it. But, then when I had a. couple glasses of wine with dinner, I. was like, "Ooh, I like this. This is. nice." Yeah. I kind of missed it. How. was that first sort of hangover? Have. you I didn't get hungover. I haven't. gotten drunk. I haven't gotten a. hungover since. Nice. Uh and I've only. been drinking again. And even when I do, it's rare. Like, I don't drink every night I go on. stage. I I might have like a drink. before I go on stage. Or I'll have a.

drink with dinner, or maybe a second. glass of wine, but that's it. I haven't. been drunk. >> That's perfect. >> Yeah. The getting drunk is the problem. Yeah. >> And the real problem with me was like, I. was I own this comedy club, and I was. with my friends. And they're all. animals. And they're all just like, "Let's do shots." And we'd go downstairs. to Mitzi's bar, and we'd be doing shots. together. We'd have so much [ __ ] fun. And then I'd wake up in the morning to. work out. I'd be like, "Oh, fuck.". >> Yeah. And I was just hurting. So, I'd be.

guzzling water and electrolytes, and I'd. get in the cold plunge. And it's just my. It was just this struggle to try to get. back to normal. >> Yeah. And I'm like, "I hate that. I. don't like that." But, I don't feel that. with a glass of wine. I have a glass of wine or two, and I. feel great the next day. It does not. doesn't bother me at all. As long as I. drink enough water, take electrolytes, get a good night's sleep, I feel totally. normal in the morning. It's getting. drunk is the problem. It is fun, though. It's the best. >> Getting drunk is so much fun.

>> Getting drunk with buddies. >> Oh, the best. >> It's the best. One of my favorite things. is like, going to a bar in the middle of. the day. and meeting everyone at the bar and just. drinking, you know, even if they're. strangers, or at the airport bar, or. whatever. And just like, getting to know. people I would never have talked to to. begin with because why would we talk? >> Right. I love that. But again, I'm 42. now and the hangovers are starting to to. really smart, you know? So, it's not. it's not really. worth the price of admission anymore. It's It's not worth it when you get.

aware of your body. Especially if you're. a person like, you know, I work out all. the time and. I'm 58 now. So, as you get older, >> [clears throat]. >> it's like most people at 58 are half. dead. They're kind of falling apart. >> Yeah. managed to stay healthy and fit. and I don't want to [ __ ] that up just. for booze. But. you know, like I said, it's it's hard. when you're with buddies and they want. to do shots. Like Shane Gillis is the. worst. He's the devil. That dude. >> [laughter]. >> He's the devil. He's the devil. He's.

like, "Come on, we're doing shots.". [ __ ] Yeah, how can you not get drunk. with that guy? He seems like the most. fun ever. And you're having so much fun. When you When you're drinking with him, it is just like your face is red, you. can't breathe, you everyone's laughing, you're [ __ ] crying, you're crying. laughing and it's just like you call. each other next day like, "How you. feeling?" "Oh my god, I'm dead.". >> [laughter]. >> Like there's a lot of times where we. went out drinking and we have a gym here. and, you know, we'd have these comedian. workouts the next day and he'd be like,

"Dude, I can't make it." I'm like, "Come. on, [ __ ] You made [laughter] me drink. last night.". But he's just He's the life of the. [ __ ] party, man. And it's just. it's fun, but it's it just it comes at a. cost. That That cost is rough, man. >> Especially with Mhm. >> now and him being the age he is, it's. just I Nothing makes you feel like a. bigger piece of [ __ ] than being hungover. in front of your baby. >> Right. >> And you're just like, "Sorry, dude.". Right. I'm your dad. I'm sorry. Right. Your kids want to play. You're like, "I. don't know. I'm going to just sit here.". It is It's not all right, you know.

You can mitigate a lot of that stuff, though. Glutathione is a really good way. to mitigate a lot of it. Um glutathione. actually helps your body process alcohol. way quicker. Mhm. So, um there's a lot. of strategies if you're a drunk. >> [laughter]. >> A lot of workarounds? Yeah, liposomal. glutathione in high doses is really. good. Electrolytes are huge. Like a. little a lot of the hangover feeling, there's two things that are going on. One is your That's why they say like. hair of the dog that bit you because.

you're actually craving more alcohol. That's why people like Bloody Mary's the. day after they're they're hungover. That's not. a great strategy, but it really does do. a little something. But electrolytes are. huge cuz another part of it is you're. just dehydrated. Like your brain is. dried out. It's a dried out sponge cuz. you're out getting hammered the night. before. Yeah. So, you got to drink a lot. of water. Drink a lot of A buddy of mine. drank with Jean-Claude Van Damme once. and he said it was nuts. He goes, he's. so disciplined. He said the dude had a.

gallon of water with him. Like a jug of. water. And with every shot he would. take, he would [ __ ] chug water. >> [laughter]. >> And he just was just super concerned. with keeping his body hydrated. while he was boozing. Got to do what you. got to do, man. >> like, credit to him. That's the way to go. He goes, I never. saw anybody do that before. I'm like, well, look at the guy. Yeah. >> Kind of makes sense. >> Yeah. You know, it's like Have you. interviewed him in here? No. >> Oh. No. >> That'd be a good one. >> That'd be fun. He's kind of crazy.

He He keeps talking about having a fight. and coming back and Oh, damn. >> bro, you're like 70. Yeah, no. Don't do. that. >> he's just a little nuts. He's also He's famously indulged in the. Colombian marching powder. And I think, you know, sometimes guys get ideas that. aren't really tenable. Thank god I never. had the the taste for that. I never even. tried it. >> Have you never? Nope. Definitely done. it, but it's just. I have friends that they can't have a. drink without one to go get a bag and. I'm like. >> Whoa. >> And that those guys have to get.

sober. Like stone cold AA sober. Like. cuz they'll disappear. Well, they'll. also die today cuz you can get a bad bag. and it's got fentanyl in it, you know. I. don't get it. I I just never It's like. it 5 minutes of feeling good for like 3. days of feeling terrible is not It. doesn't pencil out for me, man. I got. lucky that when I was uh a kid in high. school, I had a a friend and his cousin. got addicted to coke and I I watched. what happened to him. He was selling it,

too, and I watched him completely fall. apart. It was like. it it was like he had been haunted, like. something had taken over his body, like. a parasite. He lost all his weight, he. got super pale, he got real sketchy and. weird, and he'd just hang out in his. apartment, and. they would just watch TV and do coke all. day. It was nuts. >> Oh, yikes. It was horrible. >> And I I was always terrified of doing. anything that would turn me into a. loser. That was my number one fear when. I was a kid. I don't want to be a loser. >> Yeah. And so, like, I'm like, okay, stay. away from drugs, cuz that that'll turn. you into a loser. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, there's sort of like there's some. sort of gift in like having some. ambition. Yeah. >> Like wanting to be somebody. Yeah. You. know, that that can come with uh there's. pros and cons to that, but one of the. the big pros is like anytime anything. would get a little too dark, and I. realized I was losing my grasp on like. what I was after, you know, professionally or whatever, I. would uh I would course correct pretty. quick. Yeah, and if you don't have a. thing, then it's just about whatever is. fun. And what's fun is continuing to. chase whatever high or whatever.

drunk or whatever whatever it is that. your your demons are. Yeah. That's. rough. I see a lot of people lose their. life that way. I mean, they lose their direction, they. lose everything, you know, it's just. substances can be fun, but they can take over. Yeah. >> And they could become your whole [ __ ]. life. Yeah. Yeah. Not good. >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm so happy I avoided coke. I avoided But I am interested. >> [laughter]. >> It's too late, dude.

>> Hunter Thompson I Not Hunter Thompson, Hunter Biden, excuse me, talk about. smoking crack. He did this interview. where he was talking about how amazing. smoking crack is. Like, wow. Maybe I could try it once. >> [laughter]. >> I've never heard anybody like try it. once, though. No, that's famous last. words, man. Right. >> No one's done it once. I mean, everybody. who tries it gets hooked. It seems like. that's a problem. >> Must be pretty awesome. It's got to be. >> to be the best thing ever. And he said. like it's way better than cocaine. Like. he used to say like the guy who's.

interviewing him. What's that guy's name. again? And Andrew Cal- Callahan? He when he was interviewing him, he's. like, what is the difference? And he. explained like the delivery method, like. how it affects you so much different. Like the difference between like a Zen. pouch and a cigarette. Cigarette hits. you way different than a Zen. Cigarette's like instantly. Like, yeah. Apparently, that's what coke's. like, smoking it. That was Richard Pryor, too. I mean, he. was essentially smoking crack. They didn't call it crack back then. They called it freebasing. But it's same. thing. Heroin, too, is another one. So,

like those are the two big ones they. tell you when you do this once, you're. done. Your whole life's over. Yeah, I. would imagine. Yeah. I've I've I've known people that have. tried heroin once and be like, I can't. do this again. It was too awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I do that with like. painkillers and stuff. You know, I've. been prescribed them. Like, oh, yeah, I. I love it. I had a knee operation. I had multiple knee operations. But one. the first one that I had was in the '90s. and they gave me a morphine drip and. they give you a button and you could.

press the button to get more morphine. when you needed it. Oh my god, I. hammered that button. I was lying lying. in this bed and my knee had just been. cut open like a fish and there's screws. in there and my ACL had been. reconstructed and I was on this. perpetual motion machine. So, the idea. is to keep your knee from going stiff. You're on this thing that straightens. your leg out and brings it back and. straight. So, I'm lying in this bed. My. leg is. and I'm hammering that button. I was so. happy. I was like, I get it now. I get. it. >> [laughter].

>> But that was only once, luckily. And. they didn't [snorts] give me They gave. me some painkillers afterwards. Um I. think they gave me Percocets, but they. were so bad I took. whatever the dose was, and it was I only. did it once. It was so bad. I felt so. dumb and so dull and so stupid. I like, I'd rather be in pain. So I I sold all. my pills to this dude at the pool hall. I. gave him my pills. I'm like, "Dude, you. can buy these from me." One of my. buddies was telling me He's uh in the. military, and they would carry these. morphine lollipops in case they ever got.

shot. And you just pull it out and the moment. you start sucking on it, you just like a. morphine high. And I was like, >> Wow. "I kind of want to get those to fly. with." Cuz [laughter] wouldn't that be. awesome? Like if the plane's going down, you just start sucking on that thing, you'd be fine. >> Yeah, I'd just put on the headphones. >> [laughter]. >> You're amazing, dude. Anytime I fly over the ocean, I'm just. like I freak out. I don't like the I. don't like the idea. You know a fentanyl. lollipop? Huh. So Maybe that's what it. was. Got to be stronger. Either way.

though, wouldn't that be I mean that's. like biggest fear number one is plane. going down. Yeah. >> Cuz you have like 5 minutes to think. about it and you're hearing like. everyone screaming. Everyone knows they're going to die too, and you're stuck in this tube with a. bunch of strangers knowing they're going. to die for 5 minutes. I mean that is. hell on earth to me. I can't imagine. anything worse. That's a rough one. I. think getting eaten by a bear might be. worse. Cuz there's no one around you. I wonder. though if with the bear thing, if you're. in so much shock, like are you feeling.

it? I don't know. I wonder. >> Think so? Especially if they start legs. first. Cuz the thing about bears is they don't. kill you, they just start eating you. Oh. my god. Like a salmon. They don't kill a. salmon, they just hold it down, pull. chunks off of it. Yikes. Apparently that movie Grizzly Man, the. audio was so bad that Werner Herzog told. the lady to delete it burn it. Cuz uh they had a caught the lady the. guy's Timothy Treadwell, his girlfriend. his ex-girlfriend got a hold of the the.

camera. So the camera apparently the. lens cover was on, but the the camera. was running. Oh right. Yeah, I've seen. that. He or he listens to it in the. documentary. He's like, "Burn this. Don't let anyone listen." Oof. Would you. listen if given the chance? >> I think I might do it. Yeah, I think. everyone would listen. And then I'd hate. myself for having done it. >> There's a fake version of it online. I've heard that. Yeah, it's not real. though. It's pretty obvious that it's. fake, but people believe it's real. But uh. it goes on for 5 minutes.

5 minutes is a long time. Like think of. a round an MMA round. It's 5 minutes. >> Oh my god. >> And all that time you're just getting. chunks pulled out of your body. Bro. >> [snorts]. >> Have you ever seen a grizzly while. you're hunting? Yeah, once. Really? Yeah, in Alberta. Yeah, it was very. scary. It wasn't a big one. It was like. a 6-ft bear. But it looked at me so different than. any other animal. Like I've seen a lot. of black bear. And black bear look at. you like this. Like. "Who are you? What are you doing?" They.

look at you sideways and they're like, "I don't know. I want to get out of here." Grizzly. looks at you like this. Oh. Like locks on you. Like am I going. to eat you? >> [laughter]. >> And I was with my friend Jen. She's a. guide up there. Jen and John they run a. hunting outfit up in Alberta. And um. they. as soon as like she saw it, she. screamed. She screamed, "Get the [ __ ]. out of here.". Racks her shotgun, cracks a stick. against the the the tree to scare it. off. And then we immediately bailed.

They're like, "Let's get the [ __ ] out of. here." Yeah, I've never seen one. Don't. want to. They see big ones up there. sometimes. And John. the her husband, he sprayed one he was. in a tree stand and he sprayed it with. uh. pepper spray and the thing didn't even. react. It's like Like you think you're going to. Oh, bear spray, I'm safe. And it was like, [ __ ] you. Yeah. It's. just like this [ __ ] 9-ft bear, this.

huge wild dog, you know, this this. [ __ ] immense super powerful thing. that can run 45 mph. >> Oh, man. Apex. [ __ ] that, man. They're. They're terrifying. Montana's got a ton. of them. Yeah. That's one thing I didn't. have in Ohio is like the fear of getting. eaten by something when you're out in. the woods and it's dark and you're. walking through. The first time that. that bow hunt I was telling you about, I. you know, you bring a sidearm when you. all you have is a bow in case you do see. some mountain lion or something, grizzly. bear.

And my buddy was like, "What do you got. on you?" And I was like, "It's a 9 mm.". He goes, "Well, if you see one, SHOOT. YOURSELF.". >> [laughter]. >> YEAH, YOU GOT TO BRING A .45. WELL, I guess there's a there's. [clears throat] a 10 mm with a special. round you can take, but yeah, 9 mm. bounce off. Yeah, I mean, you're going. to hurt them. I mean, if you hit them in. the face, maybe it'll do something, but. you're not even going to get through. that skull, probably. >> No, they say it won't. It'll literally bounce off its skull. That's crazy. >> That's so crazy.

Cam hunts them with a bow. Hunts grizzly bear? >> Yeah. Yeah, he's killed a few grizzlies. with a bow. Yeah. Does he hunt out of a tree? How do. you do that? >> On the ground. >> No, dude. Why? >> Spot and stalk. Oof. Yeah. I'm good on. that. Yeah, he's out of his [ __ ]. mind. And his attitude is, well, if this is. how I go, this is how I go. I go doing. what I love. Okay. >> some crazy pictures. See if you can find. some pictures of Cam with a grizzly. bear. He's got one where he killed this. massive one and he's holding up its paw.

and its paw is like as big as my torso. >> Wow. It's [ __ ] huge. >> [laughter]. >> It's [ __ ] huge. They're such a Some. guy. recently, I think he killed the biggest. bear that's ever been killed. I sent it to Cam. >> Oh, damn, dude. Yeah, look at that paw. Look at the claws. Look at the claws on. that thing. >> No way. Yeah. And there's a photo of him with the bear. on the ground. Click on that. The size of that [ __ ] thing, man. Do. you know what state he's hunting in?

>> in Alaska. That's the only state you can. hunt them. >> to say it's probably illegal in most. states. >> Yeah, it's illegal in the lower 48 for. whatever reason. It They It probably shouldn't be in like. Wyoming and Montana. It's gotten to the. place where they really probably. shouldn't. Maybe there's just not enough of them. other than in Alaska, I would imagine. Um. I mean, I don't think so. I think the. real problem is once they're not listed, it's very difficult to get them on on a.

list. You know, to get tags allocated. for them. There's a the video of him. shooting it. Damn. Look at the size of that [ __ ] thing, man. >> I'm saying, what if it just right there. gets pissed off? >> It can. Well, there's a guy right behind. him with a gun. There's a guy right. behind him with a rifle, which is also. weird. Like anytime you're bow hunting. and a guy has to have a rifle, I think you should probably just use a. rifle. Right. >> [laughter]. >> It's my perspective. Just wait a few. months. >> Yeah, if I ever wanted to go grizzly.

hunting, I would definitely bring a. rifle. I just don't see myself doing. that, but I know a lot of my friends. have. You know, and they have you have to kill. a certain number of them just to keep. the populations of the moose and the elk. and everything else in check because. otherwise there's nothing going to stop. them, and then you have a situation like. like you have in Montana or like you. have in Wyoming where there's a lot of. interactions with people and people wind. up dying. And there's no fear because in. Alaska they're a little sketched out. about people because people hunt them.

Right. >> And that's the better relationship. >> Right. The relationship where they have. zero fear of people, that's not good. And that that is Montana and that is. Wyoming and that is uh. Idaho. Look at that guy. So, this is Is. this the largest one? 1,600 It's the. second biggest ever taken by 100 It's. 1,600 lbs. Look at the [ __ ] size of. that thing. Dude, that's terrifying. Yeah. Good. lord. That is immense.

This makes me think Have you seen these. reports of Bigfoot being seen in Ohio. recently? Yeah, a bunch. I kind of think. it's someone [ __ ] with people, obviously, >> [laughter]. >> but maybe not. I don't know what the. What are they seeing? What do you. There's no bears? There's bears in Ohio, I guess. >> There are and they're black bears in. Ohio and they do walk upright sometimes. >> a dude in a suit, man. >> It's probably meth. >> [laughter]. >> They've been I've been to various sizes. I've seen up to like 11 down to 8 ft. Yeah, but they're just guessing. You. don't know how big a thing is. You have.

a [ __ ] tape measure. You go, "Excuse. me, Mr. Bigfoot. Stand still for a. moment here." Okay, stand up straight. >> [laughter]. >> Put this under your heel. I used to I. used to wish so bad Bigfoot was real. >> Oh, I wish so bad. I did a dude a show. last night. He told me his dad was one. of the people that filmed the famous. Patterson-Gimlin footage. >> way. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, his dad was. that guy. I feel like we know now that. it can't be real because of how many. trail cameras there are in the world. Like, we would have seen him a few times. at the I've never met a hunter that's.

seen one. No. Including guys that are in. the Pacific Northwest all the time. Although, I did uh I did a show back in. the day with my friend Duncan where we. went um looking for Bigfoot. We went to. the places where Bigfoot's normally. seen. >> [laughter]. >> It's a person in an aisle. A person in a Sasquatch costume, obviously. I mean, no pictures, please. I mean, if there's a whole bunch of. them, it's probably someone [ __ ]. around. Like, it's There's different. sightings. March 6th, 7th, and 9th, and.

10th. Wow. all different people? Yeah. Huh. Boy, I hope it's real. It would be awesome. >> That's what I'd also be like, maybe it's. just a group of friends that are high. and like, you know what we're going to. do every night for the next [ __ ]. week? We're all going to call this. [ __ ] number and see [laughter] what. happens. Or we're going to run around. the woods, but that's a good way to get. shot. Like some crazy dude is like, "I'm. going to prove Bigfoot's real." Oh, for. sure. >> And he just [ __ ] blast you. Don't do. it during hunting season. >> Yeah. Big mistake. I think it used to be.

a real thing. What? >> Bigfoot? >> Yeah. You thought it You think it was. actually here at some point? >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz there's too many Native. American words for it. The Native. Americans, I think we looked this up, didn't they They have dozens of names. that different tribes have for the same. thing, a big hairy wild man that lives. in the woods. Hmm. I think it was a. Gigantopithecus. I think at one point in. time, it was a real creature. Have they. found any bones or anything? Yeah, the. Gigantopithecus bones, but they've only. found them in Asia. They've never found.

them in North America. But it when the. Bering Land Bridge was attached, a lot. of animals came across from Asia and. made their way into North America. through Alaska and down through the. Pacific Northwest. It's And a lot of. people have seen them in Alaska. Alaska. is like a hotbed for sightings, too. I think but I think those people are. cracked out. I think that's probably. bears. Right. But I think the Native. American stories, I think it's a. thousands and thousands of years old. thing. I think way back in the day. Like.

I was watching this. There's this guy named Michael Button. He's been on the podcast before and he's. a. um a historian who who's a really. focuses on. ancient civilizations and he was doing. this whole. video on YouTube about how little is. left over. Like how rare it is to make a. fossil. Like think about how the. dinosaurs were around for literally like. hundreds of millions of years and yet we. only have like thousands of fossils. What are the What's the possibility of a. fossil existing from a civilization like.

fossilized human being from a. civilization 200,000 years ago? It's. almost none. Mhm. Most things never. become a fossil. It has to be like the. perfect conditions to create a fossil. Okay. So, we don't really know what. animals did or didn't live here other. than fossilized ones. And that's a tiny. fraction Oh, interesting. Okay. And so, if there was some sort of big hairy. thing that lived here, cuz we know there. was humans that were living in North. America. Now we know that they they were.

here at least as far back as 22,000. years. because [clears throat] of uh. White Sands, New Mexico, they found. footprints. And then they do carbon. testing on the seeds and the different. organic matter that's in those. footprints and they get a carbon date of. like around 22,000 years, which is. pretty crazy because they used to think. it was like 13,000 years ago and now. they pushed that back at least another 9. years. And they think it's probably. these weren't the first. There's. probably people there even further than. that. So, if humans were here, let's say.

they were here 50,000 years ago, that. puts it in the timeline where. Gigantopithecus could have been alive. Because I think the fossils that they. found of Gigantopithecus are 100,000. years old. Which is just fossils, right? Like you never know. >> And that They didn't find that until the. 1920s. or 30s. They found teeth in an. apothecary shop in China. And this guy. was there who was an anthropologist was. like, "What Where'd you get this?" Cuz. they were primate teeth, but they were.

[ __ ] huge. And so then they took them. to the place and they found jawbones and. a few other pieces. And this thing they've determined. because of the shape of the jawbone that. it was bipedal, so it still stood up on. two legs and it was like 8 to 10 ft. tall. It was a giant giant primate that. was in the orangutan species. Wow. So, So could be Bigfoot. That could be what. these people saw. Yeah, absolutely. >> So probably existed in North America at. one point in time. But around the time. of the Younger Dryas impact theory,

which is 11,800 years ago, somewhere around 65% of all North. American megafauna was eliminated. All. the woolly mammoths, um. giant sloths, African American lion. We. had an a lion that was bigger than the. African lion that was in North America. That that Younger Dryas thing you're. talking about, that's a comet hitting. there, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Yeah. That's what ended the ice. age, and that's what created the Great. Lakes, and that's what melted all the. ice that was that covered most of North.

America back then during the ice age. >> And are a lot of scientists agreeing. that that's probably what happened? Well, >> it there's definitely debate, but uh. there's a a large group of legitimate. scientists that are 100% convinced that. we were hit. It's a matter of what. impact did that have, and was that. responsible? Cuz there's a berserker. theory. The berserker theory is that humans just. killed off everything. We got so good at. hunting, but Mhm. the problem with that. theory is back then like there's not. even evidence that they had bow and. arrow yet. Like they.

>> They wouldn't be that good at it. >> No. >> No. No, especially like the the American. lion and like mammoths and the giant. sloths and there's so much [ __ ] that we. don't even know how many people were. here back then. So it's and it's this is. like ice age people. like with stone tip spears? >> Yeah, I'll buy that. Did they kill these. things? All of them? They killed all of. them? Right. >> even riding horses. They were just on. foot. Like I don't know. Yeah. >> It's much more likely that they all were. wiped out by this [ __ ] comet.

And if that's the case, maybe it wiped. out Bigfoot, too. Well, that's my favorite one out of all. of the like. >> Me, too. >> Bigfoot's the best one. He's awesome. Let's just It would be a. crazy thing to see, you know? Have you. ever heard the um the recordings that. these guys made that they said were. Sasquatch recordings. No, I think they. call them samurai recordings cuz it. literally sounds like almost like. they're speaking Japanese. It sounds so fake. It sounds so fake but. these people are There's groups of.

people out there that you'll tell them. this is fake and they want to fight you. Really? >> Oh, they're they're all in. They're so. committed to Bigfoot. The guys that we. met when Duncan and I went Bigfoot. hunting, they're so possessed by it. >> Where'd you go? Where where was that? Pacific Northwest. It was like. right outside of Seattle. Okay. I met. this lady that was really convincing. She said that she saw this thing. She's. like, "Why is there a gorilla in the. woods?". And she's like, "Oh my god, it's. Bigfoot." And like she didn't seem kooky. at all but I think what she saw was a. bear and a bear standing like black.

bears standing up on their two legs and. walk all the time, especially if they. have a hurt paw. They'll they'll walk on. two legs. Huh. I think she probably saw. it. But Pacific Northwest is so crazy. because I'm sure you've been up there, right? Yeah. The woods are so dense that. it's like a box of Q-tips. That's how I. describe it. Like you can't hardly see. anything. So, if you're seeing some tall. thing move between trees just for a few. steps, that might be the only thing you. see and your head just starts spinning. and you start creating this Yeah. this. imaginary Here's the Here's the.

recordings. Right there, right? Right? So, this guy's talking, "Oh my god, it's.

Bigfoot.". >> [laughter]. >> It sounds so fake. >> I don't buy that for a second. >> Not a second. >> No. But man, people the the Bigfoot. dorks. >> [laughter]. >> Like that show Finding Bigfoot, I had. that dude, what's his name? Bobo? I don't know his name. We had him on and. uh I told him I thought the Patterson. footage was [ __ ] He's like, "No!". HE'S LIKE SO UPSET. >> [laughter]. >> IT LOOKS so fake. It looks like a guy in.

a [ __ ] gorilla suit. And then the. dude um that they think that was wearing. the suit, what is his name again? I forget the guy's name. But, the dude. who they think was wearing the suit, he. looked like Bigfoot. Like he walked like. him. There's like. >> walked like that footage, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, he was a big old. cowboy, big old [ __ ] tall-ass cowboy, and he he had a walk like a [ __ ]. gorilla. >> Roger Patterson. Roger Patterson. Well, Roger Patterson was the guy that filmed.

it, right? Well, that's how I thought it. Patterson-Gimlin footage. I don't know. one I thought one of them was the one in. the suit and the other one filmed it. Maybe I'm mistaken. >> But, there's a side-by-side of the. actual stupid video that they're. proclaiming to be Bigfoot, and then this. guy walking. And I think it was a. different guy. Yeah, it could be. I forget his name. But, it looks I'm like, "That's him.". Have you ever had a flat-Earther on. here? No. They sort of I had some people that like. wanted dabble in it. Like, "Shut the.

[ __ ] up.". >> That's the craziest one. I don't want to. have that conversation with people. And. And people are like, "Yeah, because. you'll lose cuz the Earth is flat.". Listen, everything else is round, why. would this place be flat? Yeah, we can. see all the rest of the Earth is flat. That's crazy. Why would Why would the. people that get up in the [ __ ] the. space station be lying? We know it's. circles. It spins around. It's like We. have pictures of it. >> Yeah. Yeah, yeah. We have satellites. They think all the. satellite images of Earth are fake. They. think everything is fake. I think a lot of that's just. schizophrenia. Sure.

And then a lot of it is like somehow or. another it's biblical. It's It's people. believe that it's that that that we're. try they're trying to hide it from us. cuz they don't want us to know that God. is real. Oh, like the firmament and all. this stuff that the Bible says is above. us. Yeah, but you know what the Bible. doesn't say? It doesn't say the earth is. flat. Right. Never. Mhm. Never talks. about it being flat. You know, like they. had figured out the earth was round. thousands of years ago. Like snipers have to calculate the. curvature of the earth when they're.

making shots. >> Yeah, there's too many things against. it. Like the fact that we've seen it. Yeah. >> biggest one. We know exactly what it. looks like. >> I had Roger Avery on the other day, the. director, he's really interesting guy. and he he went down a bunch of maybe too. many flat earth rabbit holes and he was. like, "Well, you know, pilots don't have. to adjust for the curve of the earth.". And then I talked to a friend of mine. who's a pilot, he goes, "You know why? Autopilot." He goes, "The. [ __ ] it keeps you at an altitude.". Like it's. >> sense cuz you always have you know, you're the same Yeah.

>> distance from the earth so that would. make sense that you're going on the. curve, yeah. Yeah, [ __ ] duh. >> [laughter]. >> It's just that being something that. people would What's really interesting. is there's this one guy who takes people. up to Antarctica to prove to them that. the earth is round and like like this. idea that there's a So he like takes and. there was one guy and he flew him out. there, he's like, "I can't believe I. believed this.". It's [laughter] amazing. He spends money educat- He spends his. own money taking these guys up there for. free educating flat earthers.

>> does he prove it from up there like. that? >> flies them up there and shows them you. actually can fly over Antarctica. Like. there's You just don't They don't want. you flying over there because if you. crash, no one's going to come get you. Right. You know, you're dead. Right. >> It's like but people do fly over it. The. idea that you can't is stupid. >> There's no secret World War base there. >> There's no wall there. They're probably. doing some weird experiments and [ __ ] up. there though. I do think that's true. Like there's there's some people that. have some pretty convincing stories of. direct energy weapons and things that.

they're developing up there and there's. a neutrino detector that they have up. there that a lot of people think does a. lot more than that. They think it might. actually be able to cause earthquakes. and affect the weather. It's a It's a. weird rabbit hole to go down. >> Sure. But I'm sure the government's. doing some slippery [ __ ] that we don't. know about up there. >> Yeah, man, it's so weird like in this. time that we have all the information. where like nobody trusts the government. anymore. Has Has it always been like. that? Like It has been a little bit that.

nobody trusts the government, but now. there's reason to not trust them because. we've seen what they've done with real. events. Like like the Epstein files and. a lot of other stuff where you're like. okay JFK where you're like why don't you. just [ __ ] tell us Right. >> what you know. In the interest of. national security, some things must be. redacted. Right. Like there's a reason. to not trust them. Yeah, I get like. growing up you see like older guys are. always they didn't trust the government, the world's going to [ __ ] all this.

stuff. And I'm like am I just getting. old or is this happening to everyone? [laughter]. Are we all doing this now? I think as. you get older you also take in enough. information that you know that they're. not being straight with you about. anything. Right. I mean this is that was. always been my argument about the moon. landing. Like you think that they're. going to not. lie about this one thing when they've. lied about everything else including how. we got into Vietnam, Kennedy's. assassination, fill in the blanks. Everything in the 1960s they lied about. >> Sure, because they could. There was no, you know, they controlled all the. information. >> Yeah. But that's what's interesting.

about today. Like that's why there's. less trust in the government than ever. because we have more access to. information. So there's more reason to. not trust them. Yeah. You know, it's. like it's a squirrely time. Right. Yeah, that's why I like living in. Montana. >> [laughter]. >> When it all goes down, I'll be way far. away from it. >> seen anything in the sky? Did you see. like what the [ __ ] is that? Um Did you. see anything weird? >> Nothing crazy, no. Um. when we did decide to move there, my. wife and I had taken a little bit of. mushrooms and the sky put on a little.

performance for us. Oh, that's. [laughter] a little. >> That was part of the. I think we're supposed to move here. Oh, really? >> Yeah. Oh, wow. >> Yeah, it was uh, you know, it was a little induced, but uh. Yeah, it was it and we both saw it and. we were with people who didn't see it. that were also on mushrooms, so. Interesting. So, it was a show just for. you guys. It's what it felt like. Yeah, and we both were like, are you we. were making sure it was the same thing. and our friends were like, what are you. talking about? >> [laughter]. >> Did they take the same dose? >> Yeah. Mhm. Yeah, so I think that was.

like right. >> supposed to go there. >> That's right. >> Maybe it's a fate thing. >> Yeah, we we felt very spiritually. connected to it after that. >> Mhm. Well, it's a good place to be. spiritually connected to. It feels like. you're supposed to be spiritually. connected to it cuz it's so it's one of. the last places, like Wyoming's like. that as well. It's one of the last. places where it's not tainted. Even though there's cities there, it's. settled, it's like it's so much more. wild than it is tame that you still get. this feeling of like humble.

Yeah. You get you get humbled by just. the vast spectacular nature of it. Yeah, it's almost like. we feel like nature is the novelty these. days and it's like, no, man, that that. everything that we messed up and put a. bunch of concrete on should be the. novelty. The nature is the actual thing. That's the way we're supposed to be. Yeah. You know, we've all kind of like. flipped that in our head and obviously. I'm not I have the luxury to be able to. live out in a place like that, but the. more I live there, the more I feel like.

this is how I was meant to live, you. know, me personally. I can't talk for. anyone else, but I I'm just in a way. better place mentally and and otherwise. Yeah, there's this guy who lives in uh, the Arctic, like uh, like above the. Arctic Circle. or near the Arctic Circle and it he they. filmed him this uh, Vice documentary. called Heinzmo's Great Adventure. And this guy's been living there since. like the 1970s. He moved up there and. he's got a log cabin and he he just.

lives up there. All he does is hunts. caribou and goes fishing. And he's. really smart guy. And the this like. nerdy reporter glasses goes up and hangs. out with this guy for a few days. And you know, the guy was really like. really. compelling in the way he was describing. like, I think this is how people are. supposed to live. Like I'm so much more. calm and at peace. It seems natural and. normal. Like this is how you're supposed. to live. And all he does is just like. hunt and fish and he gets like some.

supplies dropped off to him like canned. goods and [ __ ] baking soda, whatever. But most of his life is just living off. of the land. The proof's in the pudding, man. When I'm when I'm when I'm in a. city for a long time and I'm on my phone. and I'm looking at Instagram and all. that stuff, it takes a week before I feel insane. Like completely crazy. And if I just put. that stuff away and go outside, even in a city, like if I just put that. stuff down for a little bit and go. outside and connect with the person, I feel,

you know, infinitely better. Yeah. And. if you just look at, you know, the stuff. on your phone and you're you're so. sucked into that, you would believe this. is this the world is a shitty place. >> Mhm. But then if you don't look at that and. you go outside and you live your real. life, it doesn't take long before everything. feels good again. You know, like you. have hope again. You you know, you're. you're. you're meeting your neighbors or going. to the grocery store or going to the. post office, like everything feels. pretty good out there. It's just your. phone telling you that this place is. terrible. Yeah, that's the this is the. big bridge to crazy. Much more than.

cities is these [ __ ] things. They're. the bridge to crazy. And like that's. what AI is learning from. It's only. learning from all this terrible. information we're putting online. So, And it's accelerating. >> learn from the real world. It can't go. to the grocery store and see that. everyone's actually pretty good for the. most part. >> Right. >> 99% of what you do out in your real life. is fine. Right. >> But it's only going to see the worst of. all of us and then and then show us that. even more show that back to us cuz.

that's all it knows. Right. >> scary to me, man. It is scary and it's. never going to really appreciate a great. song. It's never going to really. appreciate art. It's not going to. appreciate love or community or. friendship or any of those things. No. It's not going to appreciate the feeling. that you have you could just call your. neighbor up and go over to his house and. shoot 500 yards in in his backyard. >> Exactly. >> You know what I mean? It's not going to. get that. >> Right. It's not going to get how cool. that is that that guy's 70 years old he. hits a deer and he's like. >> [laughter]. >> brushes it off. [ __ ] 70. 70 years old.

hitting a deer you're supposed to be. dead as [ __ ] No, man. Not Not him. He's made he looks like John Wayne. >> Yeah. >> Guy's crazy. I and you we can appreciate. that. >> Yeah. He that [ __ ] AI doesn't give a. [ __ ] about that. That guy get off the. motorcycle. You shouldn't be on the. motorcycle, Dave. Yeah. And Dude, dude, talking about music it can't make good. songs though. I've heard you play some. on here and I. My friends will just, you know, whatever. apps they have I don't really know all. the new apps but they'll just give it a. prompt and the song is incredible and it.

does it in 10 seconds. It's spooky. It's. really weird, man. But it's only doing. it derivatively. Like it's only taking. the songs that other people have written. and just making sort of a a. some sort of a conglomeration of them. and spitting it out or it's redoing like. an old hip hop song in like a blues. style or, you know, something like that. Unfortunately, that's 99% of what humans. do, too. >> Right. >> You know? It is true. >> derivative anyway. >> I know but at least it's a person. Yeah.

>> Like some something to me about even if. it's derivative it's if it's good if. it's catchy at least I know a dude and. his friends did that. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And you can get behind a person as. and like their stuff until they aren't. underground anymore, you know? Yeah. [clears throat] Yeah, that's the. silliness. >> [laughter]. >> That is so silly, isn't it? Like if you. really start to take off, someone's. going to eventually go, "Fuck that guy. I knew that guy when he was just [ __ ]. just starting out. He was pretty good.

His songs were good." And then he And. then he made it. It's going to be controversial, but the. first Coldplay album is still amazing, you know? But they got so huge that. everyone hates Coldplay now and you're. like, "But they're they are really. good." I have no problem with it. But like some people are like, "They. can't do Coldplay cuz they're they're. doing stadiums and and your mom likes. them now." I think that was one of the. things that people didn't like about. Nickelback cuz Nickelback was almost. like the first AI. You know what I mean? >> [laughter]. >> You know what I mean?

Like that Rockstar song, that was like. that was like an AI version of like a. lot of like like Cypress Hill had a. Rockstar song that was like. But it. Cypress Hill's sounds so much more. general like genuine, whereas the. Nickelback one is like almost like these. guys are just too AI. Well, it was. It's. the beginning of sort of like auto-tune. and all that stuff. But auto like really. good auto-tune that you couldn't tell. Not like the auto-tune that's in rap. where you know they're auto-tuned on. purpose. It was like.

everything's so perfect. >> Mhm. >> And it almost doesn't sound like humans. playing music. Right. And the subject. matter is like I've heard all this stuff. before. Yeah. That's the problem. >> Right down the middle. Yep. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> It was AI. Nickelback was the first AI. music. Yeah. I don't know. People are. weird with their taste. And they want. you to like what they like. That's. what's really weird. Like you have to. like what they like. Yeah. Or they get. mad at you. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. What. are you going to do? Well, listen, man. I really enjoyed talking to you. It was.

a lot of fun. Thanks for having me. I. love your [ __ ] show. I can't wait to. watch Marshalls cuz I love you on. Yellowstone. It's a [ __ ] great show. I'm really bummed out that your wife's. dead now though. That sucks. Yeah, it was it was rough. I. didn't I didn't I love Kelsey and we. love working together, but you know, ultimately. you don't want to just sit and watch a. guy be happy. That wouldn't be a very good show. You. [snorts] know, you need you need he. needed a motor a little bit. >> a cool relationship though. I know. But. he he he he had his dream life and they.

were happy together, so now you can't. watch that for 50 hours or however long. this ends up going. Well, he knows how. to mix it up. I'll tell you that. A dude. knows Taylor knows how to [ __ ] throw. a monkey wrench into things and make it. crazy. Absolutely. >> Make it interesting. So, I can't wait to. watch it. >> Thank you. Thanks for being here. All. right. Bye, everybody. >> [music]. [music].