Joe Rogan Experience #2464 - Priyanka Chopra Jonas

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> I won't lie. [music] I am nervous to. talk to. >> Come on. >> How can you be nervous? That's. ridiculous. >> Like I came in slightly intimidated. >> Why? >> I actually don't know the answer to that. because we've never met. Yeah. So, it's. not like you've intimidated me, but I. just I'm really um I think I what I.

really enjoy about your show is just. such an eclectic perspective on so many. diverse things and it comes like so. naturally to you. Um I really admire. that. >> Well, fortunately I don't have anybody. pick my guests, so it's all people that. I'm actually interested in talking to. So, it's easy. >> It's just stuff. >> Thank you for for picking me. >> Oh, my pleasure. I'm excited to talk to. you. I your movie is crazy. Like. I knew it was a pilot a pirate movie, but I I just did not expect the ultra.

violence. Like from the beginning I was. like, yo, like I locked in immediately. I was like first scene I was like, "Holy. shit.". >> Like this is crazy. >> Well, thank you. That's. >> what was that like to I mean is it. >> when you're doing something that's that. hyper violent? Like is that does that. freak you out at all? like you're. cutting people open with swords and. stabbing them in the neck and it's like. holy. >> When you're doing it, you know, it's. like make believe. So, it's so much fun.

to be like, "Yeah, PLAYING PIRATES AND. I'M GOING TO behead you." But um I mean. in moments of like scenes and stuff. where I actually had to think about what. it must have been like to be a female at. that time or because they existed women. female pirates existed and we just we. didn't hear many much about stories. about them. I mean, I heard about Grace. Ali, maybe um there were Mary Reed, like. a few famous ones. Um Ching Xi after I.

did my research. But like in those. moments, you're like, "This stuff must. have like this was real. They lived at a. time where it was. >> survival of the fittest. It was. barbaric." Um and I wonder what that. must have been like. But besides that, the stunts and stuff, like I really have. so much admiration for the amount of um. precision it requires to pull that stuff. off from so many people, not just the. stunt department, but like the cameras. because they're also moving in sync with.

you. >> Yeah. >> Um and that's cool. >> It is cool. Is it hard to stay in the. moment when all that is happening? Because you have so much coordination. and so there's there's so much. choreography. There's like he's going to. swing this way and you're going to block. it and you're going to dive down. There's like it's so complex. Like these. are long extended fight scenes. >> We had like a lot of wonders too like. full the whole scene in one shot.

>> Whoa. um which Frankie, our director, really loved the idea of and I honestly. love it because it it brings you into. that that moment is so enriched with. everything that you're supposed to feel. between action and cut. So I do love a. long Warner. Um but you know I come from. Bollywood movies so we have a lot of. choreography choreography for like dance. sequences where stories are also moving. forward like between you know your. exchange of expression or something's. happening somewhere else you come back.

So I treat sort of fight sequences like. dancing. >> It's you learn the choreography but that. doesn't stop your face from telling the. story. >> Right. That makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I mean it is kind I mean it's. just choreography whether it's. choreography with dance or choreography. with movements with your hands and. swords. >> I had never worked with blades before. this movie though. That was cool. >> How much training did you have to do? Like when you found out that you're. going to take the role. >> Yeah. >> Um how much preparation did you have to.

do physically to get ready for all that. stuff? >> It was a cool year for me because I was. filming three jobs which were all action. and stunts. So this movie called Heads. of State, which I did. >> for Amazon again, and then Citadel and. this movie. So it was a year of three. action jobs. So the, you know, being. agile and being in it was already part. of what I was doing because that's what. I was filming every day. But the swords. training was tough and to be. ambidextrous with it as well. Um, so I.

had um my my stunt coordinator who was. doing all three movies with me. She in. between shots, she and I would just take. our rubber swords out and do like. choreography and rehearsals and. >> but like it took at least three or four. months of just staying in it and getting. loose with it. Also because Carl Urban, my co- actor had. >> casual learned uh how to do like sword. fights in the Lord of the Rings. >> So he was amazing at it. So I didn't,

you know, in that last duel I didn't. want to be any less than, so I kind of. went at it. >> No, you look very good at it. It was. really good. So I was like, did you work. with some sort of like a kendo. specialist or uh some fencing. specialist? Like how did you learn how. to move the sword correctly? >> It wasn't kendo for sure. It definitely. wasn't fencing. was uniquely because the. swords were our director was very very. excited about the weapons in this movie. and wanting to get it really right from.

the period whether it was the guns that. we [clears throat] used or. >> the blades that we used. Um the machete. was one of my favorite weapons in the. movie because that's like her weapon. >> in the movie cuz it's practical. Use it. for coconuts, use it for skulls. Same. same. [laughter]. And that was really fun. But um our our. you know second unit director Rob Alonzo. had so much experience in in the amount. of work that he's done prior. He came in. with a very specific idea of wanting to.

make the fighting style super unique and. each set piece like a different design. of choreography. So you know there was. one which was in a dark cave so the only. time you saw people was when the gunshot. went off and just different styles of. fighting um which I thought was really. cool. So, but did you have like a. professional trainer that taught you how. to do that? And so, how would you do it? Would you do it with a real sword? Would. you do it with like. >> Well, we had three different kinds of. swords. The real sword like weighs more. than me. It was insane. I couldn't do it.

with a real sword as much. But for. filming, and this is the magic of the. movies, you know, you have four. different weights of it. One is like the. real sword where you need it for like, you know, where it's a closeup or the. sword is really, really visible. Um, but. when you're doing the big choreography, you have like a lighter sword which is. created by the props department and then. the northern lighter one and when you. need to flip it, it's the lightest one. >> cuz I was thinking. >> telling you all my. >> all the That's good. It's good. [laughter] to know. >> That sucks. Oh, no.

>> No, >> here I was trying to impress you with my. sword flipping. >> It's impressive period. >> I'm talking [laughter] about my fencing, but no, it was movie magic. >> One of the things that I was thinking. when I was watching it is like, how many. takes did you have to do [clears throat]. with this? Cuz that's got to be so hard. to do cuz you're swinging this gigantic. iron thing and clashing into other ones. Like if you have to do three or four. takes of this, your arms are going to be. toast. >> Oh, we did like 10 hours of it every day. for like seven days or something. >> Do you have shoulder problems after. that? >> No, actually I didn't. But I was jacked.

[laughter]. >> My arms never looked as good now. I. mean, I have a four-year-old and I lift. her a lot, so my arms are like all. right. But during this movie, O because. we were just like at it. Yeah. >> And we both threw ourselves at it and I. took it was a big choreography on top of. this bluff. We shot on 100% of this. movie at least 90% is definitely on. practical sets, real sets. We did not. want to use a lot of VFX. So, >> you know, Phil Ivy, um, our production.

designer, we built the ships, we built. the house, we built everything was a. replica of what it would have looked. like in the 1900s in the Cayman Islands. We went and saw it. It was amazing to be. able to do that with real stuff, you. know. >> Yeah. Well, the the whole history of. piracy is so fascinating. And one of the. things that the movie is about is this. the Carl Urban character is from he was. one of the soldiers of the East India. Trading Company. >> Then I went on a deep dive on the East.

India Trading Company. That is crazy. When you learn the history of that. >> one corporation is one of the first. publicly traded corporations that. essentially was in control of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh went to war with. China over opium and that's how they. took over Hong Kong. You're like holy. One crazy corporation involved. in the slave trade, the opium, just a a.

corporation, a publicly traded. corporation. people could buy stock in. it, like one of the first ones. And it. just went haywire to the point where it. got so big there was a revolt and then. the British government took over it, nationalized it. But it's the whole. story is insane. >> If you think about how much in their. minds they were able to achieve and how. much they were able to destroy um in. that duration is crazy. If you go down.

history um. >> changed the course of countries forever, >> human lives forever. Like the amount of. pillaging that happened. >> Yes. >> Millions and millions of lives. And this. movie actually has a really interesting. slice of. >> what they were capable of doing. They. utilized pirates in order to, you know, take over new lands, right? And in their. conquests. And then um when piracy was. abolished, they you know went after them.

and they they wanted to arrest them and. they vilified the same people that. helped them build their entire empire. So this was really interesting because. um my character's story her her parents. and her family are indentured servants. which was the truth of many many people. especially in India um where young. people were um you know told better. opportunities new lands more money um. come with us and take them off as. servants and then drop them in different.

parts of the world in islands and the. Caribbean has a huge Indian community um. whose history started with um just being. displaced from their lands and and. dropped somewhere else in the world and. then having to figure out what your. future looks like. I mean, it still. happens to many many people around the. world right now, but um I thought it was. really interesting that my character. came from that and her entire identity. was erased, taken from her. She had no. idea. She was 12, so she had no idea.

what it meant to have that identity. And. I met so many people actually when I. went to the Cayman um who don't know. anything about their family tree beyond. like five generations or they know where. their family may have come from from Sri. Lanka or from India or you know um any. other nation. >> but have no idea what like what it was. where from what village like what was. your culture um and that ambiguity in in.

a history of a human being erases a part. of you. It it it denies you of of. knowing the depth of your culture or. where you come from or your roots. And. um I thought that was really really. interesting for my character to play and. and then reclaim herself um through the. journey of the movie. Well, it's a. fascinating part of human history and. it's taken place all over the world. And. >> for a lot of cultures, they they don't.

have an understanding of exactly what. happened before they were colonized. >> Yeah. >> Like one one of the great examples is. Mexico. I went in a long deep dive on. Mexico recently over the last few months. because I've had a bunch of people who. are uh historians who [clears throat]. came on the podcast who were just. researching these ancient Inca and Mayan. sites and talking to them about it. And. then I went into it and it's like. >> there was over a hundred different. languages that are just lost forever in.

that whole what is now called Mexico. And that's the reason why everybody over. there speaks Spanish and is Catholic. Like it's not because that was their. language and that was their religion. They were all conquered. >> Absolutely. I mean. >> by like 600 guys. That's what's nuts. >> Yeah. >> 600 guys in the 1500s came over took. over you know what was the Aztec Empire. with help of the people that they were.

in conflict with and changed the course. of the entire country. It's it's. >> so many generations. >> for forever. Like to this day, people in. Mexico think they speak Spanish and they. have a Catholic religion. Well, that's. all brought over from Spain. Like the. entire country, >> they had wild names, too. Like cacao, thunder, sky, god, and all these. different like almost like Native. American type names. >> Wow. >> They looked like Native Americans. And. but if you think about it, doesn't that. make sense?

>> That makes so much sense. They probably. like shared land and crops and like. >> well there was no real. >> there were no borders at that time. >> No. Back then I mean what what were. countries in the 1500s in in North. America? Like what was we don't even. know like what was North America? >> I mean I think about how young America. is technically. >> super young. >> Like how many years? 300 years 400. years. >> Yeah. Less less than 300 years. >> Yeah. And and like you were talking. about history in in India, she has been.

invaded over thousands and thousands and. thousands of years only invaded. We've. never invaded anybody else. [laughter]. She's not had the time. India's like. just gave me a break. >> Um yeah, the Portuguese, the British, um. the Moguls like from back in time. And. uh the history of India, I mean I'm not. a historian and I don't claim to be, but. I find it really fascinating. I love. culture and especially the culture of. India like you will see my grandmother. was Catholic because she comes she was.

raised in a part of India which was. colonized and a lot of people with. Kerala a lot of people were converted. into Catholicism and she grew up. Catholic and you know she she followed. it for a really long time in her life. India is like hyper diverse because of. how many um people have kind of made it. her roots. So when you go to India, the. amount of diversity you will see, the. kind of the range of people that you. will meet uh is impossible to fathom.

Like an Indian face does not look like a. particular person. >> or the amount of cultures, the languages. we have written and spoken languages. which are almost like 20some or in their. 30s. >> Um absolutely different alphabet, absolutely different sound. I can't if I. go to another state, I won't be able to. understand what people are saying. Wow. >> It's amazing. >> W how many different languages are. spoken there? >> About 28 to 30. Um but there are.

dialects in their hundreds. >> Oh wow. >> Don't even get into the dialects. I just. speak English and Hindi. Understand a. little bit of Punjabi and Marathi. But. um it's it's really amazing. >> No. But. >> have you ever been by the way? >> No, I haven't. >> A Joe, you have to. You would you would. really like you're the kind of guy who. likes a deep dive. >> Yeah. You would really lose yourself I. think in go just to see if for many. things but just to see that one immense. temple that was carved entirely out of.

stone. >> oh yeah. >> is one of the great mysteries of. archaeology. >> but there are there are quite a few if. you go especially south of India and the. caves if you go inside the Anderman and. Nikkobar like the caves you'll see from. thousands and tens and thousands of. years ago um illustrations that that. you're like, how how did this happen? How could this temple have been chiseled. or how could you know these stones have. been moved at that time? It's just it.

makes you it made me very very curious. about like what kind of tools did we. have back then? >> Well, there's a lot of holes in human. history. >> Yeah, for sure. >> You know, Graham Hancock has a great. quote. He says that we are uh a species. with amnesia. >> And I think that's accurate. And I I. think when you find some of the great. archaeological wonders where where. people just have decided, oh, they built. it this way and then just let it go and. then other people start looking at it. and go, wait a minute, how how did they.

do this? Like when did they do this? Like what's the what's the historical. record of this? Because this is kind of. nuts. This seems to indicate like a very. advanced sophisticated society. >> Yeah. a very advanced civilization like. one of the oldest civilizations in the. world [clears throat] along with the. Mayans is the Indis Valley civilization. which is the north of India. >> Yeah. >> Um and I just remember studying about in. school and that's my my my maximum. understanding of that civilization but.

also like having visited the Indis River. I guess. But um I remember like the the. artifacts that were found and um like if. you do a a deep dive into how that. civilization existed and then how it was. erased and you know it makes you. question like it's there had to be some. seriously advanced like scientific. um understanding that was eventually. lost as you know as human evolution.

happened where we lose a civilization. and then comes back again. But it just. makes you wonder about early humans and. how fascinatingly advanced we would have. had to be to do all of that. >> 100%. Yeah. >> Without the technology and stuff that we. have. I mean, >> I think they had technology. I think. they had different technology. >> I think so, too. >> I think they had to. It's almost time. for spring break. So, maybe you're. headed to the beach or maybe you're. taking the kids on a road trip or maybe. you're just taking some extra time for.

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talking about, Jamie, pull pull. Do do. you know the temple I'm talking about? The one insanely massive one that's. built into the side of a mountain. >> Khisa temple. >> This is it. This is crazy. >> This is what I meant. >> Because the precision invol. First of. all, there's no. like understanding of where the stone. went. Like they moved who knows how. many. >> How did you take out all of those tons. of rocks? >> Yes. >> Out of so insane. The precision is. spectacular.

It's so nuts when you see like videos of. people going through it. Immense. >> Absolutely immense and incredibly. precise. >> and and just carved out of a solid piece. of stone. >> The whole thing is carved out of the. mountain. >> Think about how old that is. Like this. is all BC before Christ. Like thousands. and thousands of years. >> Yeah. >> BC. and the history of India like hence the.

diversity you see it's it's it's a it's. one of the oldest civilizations in the. world and then like how do you explain. that look at that image. >> so it says it's 12 what does it say how. old did it say it was. >> 1200. how do they know that. >> I can't be right. >> the 1200 years old see there's a lot of. just estimates based on what was the. civilization at the time and there's no. like this is the the thing with Peru. like Sakai Huan and a lot of these. places when they attributed the Incas. But you see like traditional Inca.

structures on top of these immense. stones that are a hundred tons. They're. carved in these weird jigsaw patterns is. to absorb the energy if there's an. earthquake. >> Wow. >> Like it's weird And it's like okay. well who did that? So like oh the Incas. did it. Like how how' they do that? Cuz. all their other structures are smaller. stones stacked on top of each other in a. way like you could see a person carrying. them and cutting them. Makes sense. But. there's a lot of stuff like that temple. like explain to me what you used.

>> There's no explanation. >> like how like metal. You just use metal. and carve that out like that. >> and like just a chisel and human. >> and if you up once it's over. because you're not putting things on top. of things like oh this block sucks. Let's get a new block. No, you're. carving. >> You change the design if there's a. up. Like you know what I mean? If you're. trying to build. >> like a human form and you chisel off the. nose, >> do you turn it into something else? I. don't know. Probably. Otherwise, because. it's just one piece. And you're right,

you're not adding. >> Yeah. >> anything to it. Well, in Egypt there's. indications that they abandoned certain. pieces because they cracked. >> because when you're dealing with uh you. know granite and there's certain uh puh. specifically there's a gigantic obelisk. that they were carving out that I mean I. think it was like 1,300 tons like. something bananas like okay how are you. going to move this thing but. they got to a certain point where. there's a crack in it and so they had to. abandon it and so it's still there. has. still I think that's in it might be in.

Aswan. I I'm not sure where it is. But. >> do you know like you know the theories. around the um Egyptian pyramids. obviously like how were those blocks. carried up? >> There's no valid theory. Zero. >> was it in that shape and so precisely. geometrically you know. >> well it's even more complicated now. because there was an Italian scientist. that we had on recently called Filipo. Bondi. >> Am I saying it right? Beyond. He's.

amazing accent. This guy is. incredible. Um, but he's using what is. it? Radio Doppler tomography. >> So, it's it's a type of satellite. imagery that uses some technology to get. an a a vision of what's under the. ground. And they've used this successfully to. show known um caverns in the ground and. known pyramids. And they even used it in. Italy to show that they can look through.

a 1.2 km mountain and see underneath it. this particle collider and have an exact. dimension of the particle collider and. see what the the outlet. So they used. this on the pyramids and they found. these immense structures under the. pyramids that go over a kilometer into. the ground with massive these these huge. 20 d 20 meter diameter columns that have. these huge circular coils wrapped around.

them. No one knows what the hell they're. looking at, but they're in very precise. positions. They've done over 200 scans. of these things. They don't know what. they are. They don't know what's the. purpose of all this, who made this. So, if this turns out to be accurate, and. they're very confident that they're that. it's accurate, and they're starting to. look into it deeper, and they're trying. to figure out how to get down in there. and and explore with drones or or. something, then the whole thing gets.

thrown into question because it's. preposterous enough that you have. someone who's a able to cut and place. 2,300,000. stones that's perfectly aligned, a true. north, south, east, and west. Some of. them weigh as much as 80 tons. >> Tons that come from 500 miles away. through the mountains. No roads. Like, how'd you do it? That's crazy. >> That's crazy in itself. >> But if there's structures underneath. that that go a kilometer into the ground. and like there's a a giant like huge.

square at the bottom. They don't know. what it is, but these are structures. These are not like something that is. just a naturally occurring stone. >> Yeah, it was man-made. And. >> show her an image of it. It's. kooky. >> So, what is that? Like how. >> these are these columns. This is like. what the images are showing you and the. three-dimensional. replication of what they think is that's. what they think it looks like underneath. there. They have no idea what these. things are. >> What.

>> there's also um is that Hara that has. that underground um labyrinth? They've. they've also found these this Herodotus. wrote about these labyrinths. There's a. great channel on YouTube called. Uncharted X by this guy Ben Van Kirkwick. who's been on the podcast before. He's. great. And um they've used radio uh well. they used uh ground penetrating radar in. that location. They found that these. immense labyrinths are real. They're. there. They're huge. Herod said there.

and it's greater than Giza and it's. underground. And in the center of one of these. atriums, there is a 40meter metallic. object that's shaped like a tic tac. It's in the center of this. Yes. So. there's a bunch of that they don't. they can't explain down there where. you're like, "Okay, what is this?" They. also know that a lot of these. civilizations like later versions of it. took from some of the older sites and.

started building new things or built on. top of them like very disrespectfully. but nobody had an idea of like the. importance of history back then. You're. just trying to stay alive and so they. found all these stones. let's use these. stones and. >> oh my gosh totally in India like when we. were colonized you hear stories of you. know the British um officers telling. like little kids that hey I'll give you. two pounds go and get the gold statue. from this temple or whatever and you. don't have comprehension of what the. value of historical things were that.

there was so much that was taken from. India in terms of wealth and um history. and historical artifacts and the kohhin. diamond which is still on the queen's uh. crown which came from India um and like. so many things which. >> the queen of England. >> her she has a diamond on her crown that. she stole from. >> pull it up kohhinur diamond k o h i n o. >> give it back. [laughter]. >> yeah we've been asking for it for a. minute.

we have um it's. >> well the whole history of England and. India is nuts too diamond whoa how big. is that sucker. >> the H. >> How big is that thing? >> How big would that be? >> 100 carats. >> Whoa. >> What is that worth? What's 100? Well, besides the historical. value of it, which is probably. priceless. What is a 105 carats worth? That's nuts.

>> Imagine walking around with a rock like. that on your hand. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that's what I'm saying. The. royalty in India had so much jewelry um. and wealth and stuff that was pillaged. and just taken. >> Well, the history of India is. fascinating like in the the Vadic texts. and the the the. descriptions of vimmanas. Have you ever. read any of that stuff? >> Yeah, the Vedas. Not not extensively, but clearly you have. >> The Vimmanas are It's like what are you. talking about? You're talking about. flying crafts.

>> Yeah. >> Like what do you. >> That's the thing. you go if you do a. deep dive into the mythology of India. and the stories that come from there the. kind of technology that has been. mentioned in these ancient texts like. the vimman as you're saying you have. flying objects you have um spears with. some sort of energy you have bows and. arrows with some sort of energy that. travels beyond time and light um and. there's so much of all of this stuff. referenced back then which maybe humans.

thought was magic but was some form of. ancient technology like who's to say but. we do definitely believe um in Indian. mythology if you go back into Hinduism. and and the incredible stories that. exist like I love to think about where. the origin like where it must have come. from. >> Yeah. >> Um but there's so many fascinating. fascinating stories from then. >> Yeah. I I have an opinion that most.

people that were writing things down. back then were trying to document a. truth. >> Yeah, for sure. >> I don't think they were trying to make. up stories. >> No, I think it was definitely their. truth. But from our perspective now, we. have to be like, how do you break down. the truth of, you know, that there was. this light that arrived from miles and. miles away and it felt like, I don't. know, was it a bomb? Like, what was it. of what was it of that time? Right. >> So, it's cool to kind of try and. interpret that. I mean, I I believe in.

the mysticism and the magic of ancient. humans and, you know, the beginning of. time. There's no way to explain. what and how that was. you know, we have. the information we do from religious. texts and historians of the past, but um. it's just really fascinating to think. about how resilient and human beings. have been and how evolutions have had. the same problems over time, but we kind. of just navigate it through different.

worlds, you know? >> I think Yeah, I think it's hard for us. to grasp timelines and then. >> impossible. Think about like how short a. human lifespan used to be, right, >> to where it is now. How the basic our. stories have to come from like people. telling people's stories or documenting. them. Right. >> Right. Right. And those stories like. when you're talking about certain. passages in the Bible or certain. passages in any religious text, a lot of.

those were stories that were just handed. down for generations and generations. before anybody wrote anything. >> Yeah. So, it's like what were they. trying to remember? Like when they're. talking about flying vimmanas, like what. were they talking about? Like what did. they experience? And how long ago was. it? Cuz I don't think we have a real. understanding of how long ago it is. >> I mean, 17,000 BC is where or around. that time. That many years ago is what.

they say. But again, who knows? Well, that makes sense if you take into. account the. >> 20,000 BC. >> There's a guy named Randall Carlson. who's been on my podcast a few times, and he's a really fascinating guy, and. he's an expert in asteroid collisions. with Earth. >> Wow. >> He's an expert in all the different. times that Earth has been slammed by. comets and meteors. And And. >> is that how the dinosaurs were? So, it. did it was an asteroid. >> Yeah, they believe so. It was in the.

Yucatan, that one. That's the 65 million. years ago one. But there's other ones. that are that are before that. >> Before that. >> Yeah. And then there's other ones that. are after that. And one of the more. interesting ones is called the younger. dus impact theory. And that one's from. about 11,800 years ago. And then again, they think somewhere in the 10,000 years. that happen. So there's a comet storm. that we pass by. I think it's every June. and November. I forget what those the. time is. But this is like also aligns. with Do you know about the Tongusa. event? Have you ever heard of that?

>> No. In the early 1900s, um, a meteor. exploded in the sky above Russia and. devastated like a million acres of land. And it was during the same time period. And they realized like there's this. comet storm that we pass through. Like. when you see meteor showers in the sky, it's because we're passing through these. areas of our solar system that have. these comets. This is the Tonguska. event. So it just and to this day that. area has no trees on it.

>> Whoa. >> Yeah. So it just [snorts] flattened. everything and it didn't even impact the. ground. It blew up in the sky above it. And this was not even a big one. So. >> So how does like nothing grow again? Like what? >> I know. That's a good question. >> What is that asteroid made of that you. can like Earth has been able to come. back from so much? >> Yeah, it's a good question. It's just. maybe it's just not enough time. I don't. know. I mean, 117 years maybe. Some. maybe eventually.

>> means like a millennia, >> but it probably just blew the roots off. of everything. It blew everything into. smitherines and it it probably had some. kind of chemical effect too because it's. a physical object. I don't know what it. was made out of, >> but you know, some of them are made out. of iron. Some of them are made out of. nickel like that big one that they saw. three eye atlas that passed through. That was a weird one because they're. like this is a nickel alloy. >> that is as big as the size of Manhattan. The only way we have it on Earth is in. industrial manufacturing of an alloy.

But this thing in another planet. somewhere else millions and millions and. millions of years ago was formed under. whatever weird circumstances and. conditions their planet has. But you I. mean I I want to know your thoughts on. this, but you definitely don't think. we're like the only species existing in. the universe, right? >> I don't think that's possible. >> It's it's human arrogance if we think we. do. >> Yeah, that seems silly. >> Yeah, >> it doesn't make sense. There's just too. many planets. It's it's a it's a silly.

thing to think. And they found evidence. of life on Mars. So they found evidence. of some sort of bacterial life on Mars, like the traces of bacterial life. >> Um and that's, you know, right there. That's what I'm saying. Maybe it's just. in within our Milky Way that we I mean, we haven't even been able to travel. outside of that yet, you know, to get. information, but it has there has to be. other species um that exist and other. like intelligence and technology. >> Do you know the actor Terrence Howard?

>> I mean, I know of him. >> Fascinating guy. Like a little kooky, but super smart. Like super smart. He's. got some w wild wild ideas. One of his. ideas I was like, wait, what? He thinks. that life occurs when planets get a. certain distance from their sun and then. over time they get too far out and then. life doesn't exist on those planets. anymore. But when they're in this. Goldilock zone like Earth is for a long.

period of time in relative to our life, life exists and then intelligent life. emerges and figures out, hey, we got to. get out of here eventually because this. is not going to sustain us and then it. propagates the world or the universe. rather. And he thinks that there's a. thing that happens and he calls it. peopleing. He thinks that when a a planet gets far. further enough from the sun that it. eventually peoples because it eventually.

reaches the right conditions where life. emerges and evolution takes place and. natural selection and random mutation. All these things converge and eventually. you get an intelligent creature that. knows how to manipulate its environment. Is there any proof of. >> planets like moving away from their sun? >> Well, they all do slowly. Very slowly. >> Like so. Even our even our solar system, we're all like slowly. >> Yeah. And the also the sun is eventually.

going to burn out and explode and then. we're But that's a long time. from now. But the eventually. >> enough to be worried about. >> Nothing's permanent. [laughter] Like. suns are not and we we're lucky. We have. a slow burn son. So, we have a. relatively small sun and it's uh it. there's a lot of weird. >> speculation that it's part of a binary. solar system, too. That there might have. been another version of our sun that. burned out that's like way out there, like way out in space, like way past.

Pluto, way out there. >> I'd buy that. >> It's possible. I mean, there's there's a. lot of wacky theories as to why there. seems to be some large object that's. outside of our vision. >> that's way way past Pluto. So, there's a. thing called the Kyper Belt that's. outside of Pluto, and that's what part. of what Pluto is, which is why they. decide it's not really a planet anymore. But, they think there's something else. out there that's a large they call it. Planet X. They think there there's it's. a lot of like weird speculation whether. or not it's real, but they think there. might be a large body larger than Earth,

large like Jupiter size or something. like way out there and it might be a. sun. It might be a burnt out. >> like a burnt out sun that was. >> crazy. >> Insane. >> Well, Earth alone like Earth, the reason. why we have the moon supposedly is. because Earth was hit by another planet. There's Earth. >> So, was the moon part of the Earth? the. the moon was like a big chunk of that. collision that burst off and then became. the moon. So there's earth one and. >> does that happen with all the planets. like because all the planets that have.

their own moons are explosions maybe. >> That's a question good question. I mean. maybe some of them are enormous. asteroids that got caught in the gravity. and maybe of them. Maybe it's volcanic. activity. I don't know. I think a lot of. it's asteroid impacts too. They knock. off giant chunks and those chunks start. orbiting that planet. >> So, does that mean that all of those. planets do have like a gravitational. pole as well? >> Oh, yeah. They all Yeah, they whatever. >> How strong would that gravitational pull. be?

>> Oh, it depends on the mass of the. planet. >> Like Jupiter, for example. >> Jupiter is what protects us. The reason. why we don't get hit a lot is because. Jupiter's so big. So Jupiter has so much. mass and so much gravity that it's like. our big brother that like protects us. >> Oh, thanks Jupiter. >> For real. >> Yeah. No, that's great. >> And uh they obser they actually observed. an impact on Jupiter. I want to say it. was in the 1980s where an enormous. asteroid slammed into Jupiter and. created a Earthsized explosion. An.

explosion. >> separated from. >> No, you it just got absorbed it. Jupiter. just absorbed it. But they watched it in. real time. >> and it was a way bigger explosion than. they thought it was going to be. They're. like, "Yo." So then they have to like. recalculate like, "Oh, >> how big was that thing?" And it made a a. literal impact as large as the Earth. >> Oh my god. Yeah. >> I have to see that video. >> Well, that's the the solar system is. just a shooting gallery. Which. brings us back which brings us back to.

this younger d impact theory which is. one of the predominant theories as to. why. >> ancient super advanced civilizations. completely disappeared and there's no. evidence of them and there's a lot of. physical evidence when they do core. samples of the earth they find there's a. lot of aridium which is very common in. space but very rare on earth which. indicates some sort of an impact and. then they also find micro diamonds these. nuclear diamonds they it's I think they. call it trin ite and they they first. observed this when they did the Trinity.

explosion. So the nuclear explosion. created these micro diamonds on the. ground just a massive impact and. explosion heat and energy. >> Well, they find those littered all. throughout the world in this same core. sample timeline of like 11,800 years. So. they think we were just bombarded. So a lot of these things like these. temples in India perhaps the pyramids. some structures that were stone probably. just survived. >> No for sure there's so much that has.

survived I think from. >> like a timeline we can't even explain. I. mean in India we we see so much of it. So many of our texts the Vedas are you. know the oldest texts in the world. Um, and to be able to like read stories. which now maybe we imagine are stories. but are probably reality of a. civilization gone by. >> Yes. >> Is just crazy to think about. >> I think more likely than not and I think. more and more over time people are.

opening up opening up to this. possibility. Like they recently just. found written language that is 28,000. years old and that they thought that. human written language was created about. 6,000 years ago and they found evidence. of read about this. >> So they're they're like okay. >> that's a giant difference. But how can. we also know what happened in so many. parts of the earth when anyway the earth. was moving right like the continents. what it looks like right now is not.

>> what it probably looked like 20,000. years ago like it's been slowly moving I. feel like how are we supposed to know. like someone who writes a book say in. Mexico like what happened then in. Australia or what happened what was the. history in like India you know what I. mean. >> right especially 15, you know, 1500s, 1600s when they were writing about stuff. back then, they were just making. up. >> So the that we read, >> human may have used these mysterious. symbols to encode information tens of.

thousands of years before the first. writing systems, 40,000y old artifacts. >> Yeah. So, it's some kind of way of. documenting things, >> of communicating, >> you know, if if these people like Graham. Hancock and Randle Carlson are correct, there was some sort of a very very. advanced civilization pre1,800. years ago. And this also coincides with. the end of the ice age. It coincides. with uh all of the ice caps over North.

America disappearing. Like North America. was covered like 3/4 of North America. was covered like a mile high sheet of. ice. >> went away like that. That's why the. Great Lakes exist. >> The Great Lakes are just that ice melted. and then whatever was left just ran. through the country and you can see the. physical evidence of it when they show. satellite images. It looks like enormous. amounts of water just destroyed the. landscape and and completely carved it. and changed it. >> What do you think happened with and I I. wonder if you have because you have so.

much extensive knowledge with the. amazing guests that you have on the. show. How did we go from Neandrithal or. early man to this technologydriven like. really smart intelligent like what. happened. in in history in the evolution of human. beings that we were able to make that. switch so quick? >> It's a real good question. There's a lot. of you know. >> I mean I I've heard theories but I want. to know yours. [laughter].

Um, if I didn't worry at all about being. ridiculous, and I don't uh I would. >> You don't [laughter]. That was no need for that precursor. >> But if I didn't worry about that, I. would say something helped us. I I think. >> that's what I think. >> Yeah. I don't think I don't think it. makes sense that that didn't take place. >> Yeah. It's crazy to think about how that. happened and how quickly it happened. >> Well, yeah. There's a there's a lot of. like weird stuff with us. Also, all. those other primates are still around.

except the early man ones. You know, that's what's weird. It's like, why. aren't, you know, how come chimpanzees. are kind of the same? How come all these. other primates are kind of the same and. yet we need clothes to stay? >> They're like a mammoth to an elephant. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> Like still similar. >> Yeah, it makes sense. >> Why? How do we have like planes? And why. do we like things? And how could we make. cups and. >> Yeah. Why do we change our environment. that way? Why do we have this.

>> insatiable desire to innovate? >> Insatiable. Like we that's the number. one thing that we changing. >> Constantly making new and better things. Never satisfied with anything new. Everything has to be better. It doesn't. matter how good your car is. What's the. next year's model going to be? >> What matter what your phone does? I want. better pictures, Like no matter. [laughter] what always like we we want. something to be better all the time. And. it's like. >> we one up what we had. What is that? I. think it's built into us and I think. that is a part of this process of.

becoming a human being and I think it's. leading us to develop AI. That's what I. really think. But I I think we most. likely something intervened. Now there's. a lot of people that think the rational. people think that it was the invention. of fire and the cooking of food that. gave us better access to nutrition and. protein and then innovating in order to. hunt allowed the brain. But it was such. an accelerated period of time. It went. like so quickly. >> The the human brain size doubled over a.

period of 2 million years, which is the. greatest mystery in it in the entire. fossil record. Yeah. >> Like what made that happen? >> We don't know. But. in religious texts, ancient religious. texts, there's many stories of human. beings breeding with something from. somewhere else. That's a part of. >> alien intervention. >> Yes. Yes. >> Right. without trying to sound. ridiculous, >> hyper intelligent life form. But if you. think about it, if. >> I was watching a show about that and I.

was like, that makes sense. >> What was the show you were watching? Do. you remember? >> Ancient aliens. [laughter]. >> That show's the best. [laughter]. >> It's so silly. >> It's amazing. >> There's a. >> But I was like 2:00 in the morning. I'm. like, "Oh.". >> My friend Action Bronson, [laughter] he. used to do a show. He doesn't do that. show anymore, does he? They would get. super baked and watch Ancient Aliens. [laughter]. and be like, "Bro, >> listen. Ancient Aliens is is rad. I love. that show." Two in the morning.

>> Oh, it's fun. It's very fun. I think. they're right about some of those. things. I think there's something to it. I mean, that is one of the the oldest uh. biblical texts that wasn't included in. the cannon that is the Bible is the book. of Enoch. And uh I had Anna Paulina Luna. on the podcast and she was she brought. that up and I was like she was like you. really should read that. So I read it. and you start reading you're like wait. what the hell are they talking about? The watchers came down from the sky to.

mate with humans and created the. Nephilim, a race of giants that. destroyed the earth. You're like what. are you talking about? Like what is. this? This is in the Bible and it would. have been in the Bible if it not for a. few rabbis that decided this doesn't. jive with the Torah. And so they say we. got to get that out of there. And that's. why it's not taught along with the book. of Ezekiel and all these other things. that are in the Old Testament. >> Wow. versus like in in Hindu mythology. also you know we read about a time where.

God human and demon existed at the same. time and procreated and like created. different realms and you know life and. stories and the and the you know so it's. like when you think about stories like. that stories beliefs. >> you know from around the world that have. similar sort of um color Yeah, >> it's almost like trying to connect the. dots of what must have happened at that. time, you know, all around the world was.

probably the same thing, >> you know, some sort of incredible. technology. >> Yeah. And some and a lot of them have. these stories of something of some kind. of higher nature, higher power, higher. technology intervening in the lives of. human beings and even manipulating the. the process. >> Yeah. But isn't that what I think was. referred to as the gods? And like if you.

think about the Roman um you know or. Egyptian like gods. I'm not one to speak. about culture, but I I can't even say. about ours, but that power that we read. about, you know, that like if you if you. go into it, I'm I'm a big believer. So, I think that, you know, was that like a. real exper experience that happened to a. human being at that time? >> A real experience with someone that had. a limited vocabulary, a limited amount. of knowledge, and a limited ability to.

write things down. And so they probably. sto told these stories from whatever. words they could use to describe what. this was. Like if you were living 30,000. years ago, 40,000 years ago, and a UFO. landed, a giant metallic disc landed, and little tiny creatures came out and. talked to you telepathically. >> You don't have a written language. You. don't your your culture is hunter. gatherers. Like, how do you tell that. story? >> How do you tell that story? And what are. the people that you told that story to.

going to tell their children and their. grandchildren for many many many many. generations before anybody figures out. how to write things down? >> Totally. But another perspective on this. which people have is is that our. pragmatic. practical 2026 human trying to explain. something that was magical and did exist. at a time that we we we don't have an. explanation for. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? For sure. >> Like there's the other side of that with.

people that, you know, you hear so many. stories of visitations from the gods. back then, you know, to humans and the. divinity of at least in my country for. sure um of different avars of gods. coming down to earth to save humankind. and to help in human salvation and to. help them um against evil. So when you. hear of those stories like the practical. side of me like are those human stories. and who is that.

power that they were seeing at that time. and then there's a side of you which is. like there's so much we can't explain. and sometimes have to like leave it to. inexplicable. magic of the universe like I'm someone. who loves science but I also am a. believer of that it just can't explain. everything. >> well even science science itself like. hardcore materialist science. >> Totally. >> If you are trying to explain the big.

bang, good luck. Good. luck making sense out of something. smaller than the head of a pin that. became everything that's in the. universe. >> Okay. >> Like explain that to me. >> Help me out. [laughter]. >> Totally. I mean, it's all theoretical. and speculative and it's that no one. really knows. And then there's this. concept of what took place before the. big bang. And then there's Sir Roger. Penrose's version of it which is there's. been many versions of the big bang. expansion then contraction and that it's.

not the beginning that it's a part of an. endless cycle. >> That's what I've I mean I've heard from. in India as well the believer belief. that that was not kind of the beginning. There's been many beginnings and many. ends that. >> have no idea of. >> That makes more sense to me. It makes. more sense because I think the problem. with a beginning we like well what was. here originally we always want to think. of things in terms of our own biological. limitations we have a birth and we have. a death so we think that the universe. probably. >> everything has a limitation. >> but why it's there so maybe.

>> like time what is time's limitation it's. existed from who knows when. >> right it's constant it's never not been. here. >> so the idea that there was nothing. before the universe well that doesn't. even make sense. >> it's funny when I was doing research. search for the bluff, this movie. Um, I. went to the Cayman Islands for a couple. of days to get an understanding of the. history of the islands and the Caribbean. is so interesting, especially Cayman. because it's in the it's in the middle. of these trading routes between.

Honduras, Cuba, Mexico. So ships when. trading started is when the Cayman was. discovered, the islands were discovered. So when I went down there, I went to the. museum and they said, "Yeah, it was like. the 1700s or 1800s when the first. settlers came and um you know it started. with families or or like people trying. to run away or pirates or you know just. people making pit stops before going to. another another country and they said. that that was the first time that there.

was any history of the island and I was. like how's that possible that only when. like settlers. found that and now I mean Cayman. Islands, Cayman Islands, >> right? >> But how like if you think about there's. so many places in the world where people. and humans have existed way before we. even have an understanding of or are. willing to acknowledge. You know, in. many. >> cultures it's different, >> but um. >> well, we just lost the history of it.

That's possible, too. >> That's what my argument was. I was like, it's, you know, like we have to have. lost the history of what happened. >> prior. There's an entire culture from. South America that we don't know who. they were. Theme they we have some giant. carved heads. >> and we're like, "Oh, who did that?". >> They think it's like they thousands and. thousands of years old. They look. African. It's very strange. >> Have you se Have you seen heads? Oh, here we look like this. >> That's an ech head.

>> Like, how nuts is that? Like that's a. replica of these enormous heads that are. in um I think is it Peru? >> Luke Caverns who's uh been on the. podcast. He's a really fascinating guy. who does a lot of uh research down. there. >> He uh he's been there and documented and. he's like they don't know who these. people were. They don't know what their. language was. They don't even know what. they look like except for these images. and they don't even know if these images. are supposed to be of them like these. statues. They just found See if you can.

find some of these heads so you can see. like the the um scale of them. So they. left these enormous stone heads. They. attributed to this one civilization that. they call themes. They just made a name. up, >> but they don't know who the hell these. people were. And look at their faces. >> Like that's crazy. >> That's huge. >> Yeah. >> And do you know how old these might be? They don't really know, but I think that. How many thousands of years old do they. think they are, Jamie?

>> Crazy stuff. >> Yeah. >> So, at least 900 BC, >> but you know what does that mean? >> Yeah, >> that's a guess. That's a guess cuz they. don't know anything. A long time ago. Well, even the Aztecs, do you know the. Aztecs didn't build those temples? >> They found them. The Aztecs found that the Aztec temples. >> They found them from an unknown previous. civilization. >> Oh my god.

>> Yeah. They call those temples the place. where the gods were born. >> Yeah. >> That's what they called them. And they. just kind of like cleaned it up. >> Which kind of makes sense cuz you think. of like how barbaric the Aztecs were. Like they did some horrific Like. we were talking about one of the the. temples. I think it was Tino Chitlan. when they consecrated it. um they killed. between 20 and 80,000 people. They. sacrificed them in a period of four. days. And so this is like right when the.

Spanish were first visiting Mexico, thinking about taking over. And this. this guy Diaz, this Spanish chronicler. said it was the craziest thing. They killed 80,000 people, he said, over. a period of 4 days. Just cut their. hearts out and threw their bodies down. the stairs. >> Like nuts. This episode is brought to. you by Into It Turboax. April 15th is. coming fast. There's been so many tax. law changes this year, which means. you're going to need an expert who has. your back. You're in luck. Turboax now.

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were like conquests happen and like you. know we're living in the history of so. many people's blood and and sacrifices. and violence. >> So much violence. >> Unfathomable amount of violence. >> So capable of that kind of vi like of. violence having done a really violent. movie right now. >> because chimps cuz we're mostly chimp. >> and I think if you pay attention to. chimps like have you ever seen behavior. >> chimp nation on Netflix?

>> No, I haven't. >> It's fantastic. It's just it's spectacular because it is. a rare very rare situation where this. one particular group of chimpanzees they. were embedded with these scientists for. 20 years. So the scientists had very. specific rules. Don't get within 20. yards of them. Don't make eye contact. with them. Don't have any food with you, okay? >> And don't don't interfere. And they're. they're totally accustomed to having. people around them. So they behave. totally naturally. And so they wage war. They have all these like crazy social.

dynamics. like they would in the wild. because they're used to these humans. >> Exactly. And when you watch it, you're. like, "Oh my god, they are a lot like. us. They're a lot like us." Just like. very primitive. No language, but but. ultraviolent. Ultra chimps are ultra violent. I mean, that one of their favorite foods, this. guy was telling me, was monkeys. They. just love eating monkeys. He goes, "We. saw them kill so many monkeys, we. couldn't even document it.". >> He goes, "Cuz if it would just be like. every day was like a monkey hunt. They.

would tear these monkeys apart and eat. them alive. >> It's a horrific That's That's our. ancestors. So, what we are is a. combination like if if you can. >> Well, that explains it. >> Yeah, it explains it. We're a. combination of some higher intelligence. that interbred with a savage primate. that's curious and created this weird. hybrid, this weird thing. >> Listen, that's what ancient aliens told. me. Yeah. >> And I [laughter] believe it. >> I think they're right. They're right. about that. Have you ever seen Chariots.

of the Gods? >> No. >> That's the original one. Eric von. Danakin. That was in like the 1970s. It. was a a movie, like a feature movie. >> I I mean, I remember the movie, but I. don't remember having. >> Yeah. I had lunch with him once and got. a chance to question him about stuff. He's a like a true believer. >> Yeah. Like [clears throat] a true. believer. >> What What are his beliefs? >> Well, he believes that everything is. from aliens. That aliens came down and. aliens taught people how to do things. and aliens built all these things. And. I'm more in line of they intervened and.

created. what we think of now as humans and then. humans figured out a different path of. technology than we're on today. That we. are on the path of internal combustion. engines, electronics, electricity and. they were probably on some different. path of technology but as far down the. path if not more. And I think they. probably had figured out some things. that we have yet to figure out, including like the trans.

the the the the transferring and the. moving and shipping of enormous stone. blocks without heavy machinery. Like. >> we don't know what they were doing. >> Yeah. What how do they cut them? Like. what do they what do they what if those. structures that Filippo Beyond describes. under if that's real like what was the. pyramid then was it a machine? >> Yeah. How did they do like first they. created the structure like imagine the. foundation and the design that went into.

it? >> A half a mile deep into the earth. >> Crazy. >> Like what is that? What are you doing? That's what I'm saying. I I don't know. if I like I just know that we can't. explain that quick evolution of humans. from Neanderthal to. >> We can't and all. >> and highly intelligent. >> Yes, we can't. >> Yeah. >> I mean, there's just a lot of people. saying, "Well, we haven't filled in the. gaps yet.". >> Yeah. >> We don't really know. But the the. acceleration of the evolution is so.

spectacular. Like vegans are hilarious. They attribute it to people eating. tubers. I had a conversation with a guy. He's like, "We're think it's probably. tubers." Like what roots? You mean like. bears eat? Shut the up. [laughter]. That is the dumbest explanation. That. didn't even make any sense. >> I'm vegan. >> Are you really? >> No, I'm joking. >> Congratulations. [laughter]. >> No, I'm not. >> There's no way you could be. >> No, I just had barbecue. >> You already fall asleep. >> for breakfast. I had brisket. I was. like, I'm here in Austin for 2 hours. >> Yeah, you have to have barbecue if you. come here. >> Yeah. >> Um I just think that whatever happened,

we don't know. And um I would not rule. out intervention and I wouldn't think. that an intelligent species from. somewhere else if they did find these. very curious primates that may already. be working with sticks and rocks and. stuff like that that they wouldn't. intervene because we do it. We're doing. it right now. We're doing it right now. with. >> human nature to do it. If we went to a. planet somewhere and we found some. frogs or some weird animals, but. nothing big, we might drop a deer off in.

there and see what happens. You know, we. bring some birds in. Look, >> humans definitely would. We would. intervene. >> They're doing genetic manipulation of. animals right now to bring back extinct. life. >> That's how they brought back the the the. uh direwolf. This company called. Colossal Colossal Bowars. They I saw it. I touched it. I went to Yes. I went to. the place where they're holding these. wolves and I got to me and my daughter. got to cuddle with a baby direwolf. They.

had two semi adults at the time. I think. they were like eight or nine months old. >> They've been extinct since when? >> 10,000 years. >> Stop it. >> Yeah. Some somewhere in the range of. that. I mean, >> oh my god. >> Yeah. When did dire wolves go extinct? I. think they are part of the megapona that. went extinct during the impact because. 65% of all megapa on uh on earth and. particularly in North America went. extinct around the same time. Woolly.

mammoth. >> and do we know why around the same time? >> There's a lot of hypothes. >> The rational people, not me, but the. rational people think it was the. berserker theory, which means that human. beings killed so many mammoths that we. wiped them out to extinction. >> Butelievable. This is with Adaladdles. Like it doesn't make total sense. It's. like how did you get there's not even. that many people. How'd you do that? Yeah. >> And then there's also stuff like the. American lion which was bigger than the. African lion. How how do we kill that. off with a stick? Like shut the.

up. >> Something something had to have. happened. >> Well, they found mass grave sites of uh. mammoths where there's like hundreds of. them dead all in one place that seem to. have died at the same time. Not only. that, some of them have broken legs. It. seems to impact some it seems to. indicate like some. >> like asteroid or some something that. created that kind of impact immediately. >> But 65% of all North American megapana. died at the same time. >> That's so crazy. >> Yeah. Within the time period and they.

think the the younger dryest impact. theory people think like this is not a. coincidence that this coincides with the. end of the ice age and also coincides. with where the core samples. >> Too many coincidences. Yeah. And also. the co coincides with the the fact that. these animals were all here at one point. in time. They all got wiped out except a. very few. There's only a few left. Like. there's uh the prongghorn antelope which. is a really weird one. It's this. prehistoric antelope that lives in North.

America. And it's different than every. other animal here because it's evolved. to get away from cheetahs because we. used to have cheetahs in North America. So it can run like 55. in books. I've seen them in real life. They're. really weird looking. They look. prehistoric. >> but can run. >> They fly. That's what it looks like. See. if you can get a look at its face. Can. you see it head on? They're so strange. Like their eyeballs are on the sides of. their heads cuz something was coming at. them like, you know, 55 miles an hour at.

full clip. And so they're really really. alert and they have incredible vision. >> Wow. >> And that's a leftover animal. That's a. leftover animal from a time where they. were being prayed upon by something that. doesn't exist anymore. And that. something was wiped out along with the. American lion. A bigger lion than the. African lion lived right here. >> Huge. That's crazy. I was filming in. Africa recently in Kenya and we for this.

Indian movie I'm doing called Vanasi. Um. and we shot with wilderbeasts and like. as in like in the middle of them. I was. in me and my co- actor Mahes were in the. middle of these wilderbeasts that were. all around us while they were migrating. >> It's like the coolest thing I've ever. seen. But when you see their faces and. for how many years versions of them have. existed, you know, you feel the gravity. when you. >> um see these animals in the wild.

>> It's crazy. >> It's so much different than a zoo, right? >> Oh, completely. >> Because you're like, "Oh, they've always. been here like this. This is their home. This is what they do. >> We're in it. You You feel a sense of. like. >> stay in your jeep. >> Well, I think we're numb to it because. we watch it on film and so that we get. sort of desensitized and normalized to. this idea of wildlife. Oh, there's the. lion sneaking up on the wilderbeast. How. cool. >> But when you're there and you you see a. lion, you see a wilderbe like this is. crazy. Like this is all day. long, every day. These life forms.

competing to try to exist and stay. alive. this weird balance where all of. them, you know, >> they still exist. >> They can there'll be wilderbeast right. there and there'll be a lion right here. who's eaten. So, they're hanging out. together. The wilderbeast knows that. he's eaten. He's not coming after us. And they exist. But at the same time, they're, you know, during hunting. season, you see the hunt happen and I. saw a hunt happen and that's that's. crazy that that's their life. >> Yeah. >> With their face. They kill things with.

their face. >> Yeah. like literally your. >> Well, there's a really extraordinary. island in Africa where the river changed. courses and it left this this one uh. pack of lions on this one island that. only has water buffalo on it. And so. these lions became enormous and the the. female lions are as big as male lions. everywhere else. And the male lions are. way bigger than they are anywhere else. I think there's the documentary. I think. it's called Relentless Enemies, but it's.

so because they look like these jacked. bodybuilder lions. >> Those water buffaloos are huge. And. >> I had one staring at me like we were in. Kenya. I'm like the video villages. today. We're filming and it's far away, but it just turned his head and just. looked at me and then just kept looking. at me. And I swear I had to like get up. and get out of its view cuz it just kept. staring. [laughter]. I was like, it's coming at me. >> They will come at you. For sure. >> They kill people. >> The rangers told us they were like, "I. think he's engaged with you. Maybe.

[laughter]. maybe get out of here. Get into your. car.". [gasps]. >> Yeah. There's that poor lady from who. she was a video editor on the Game of. Thrones and she went to do a safari. there and it pul one one of the lions. pulled her out of her car. >> Out of her car? >> Yeah. She rolled the window down or. someone rolled the window down and a. female lion just snatched her out of the. car and killed her. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. >> You have to listen to your rangers. >> Yeah. >> When you're in these situations.

>> Exactly. Yeah. I main thing is she. wanted a better picture or something. I. don't know. >> That's the that gets people into. trouble. >> Oh yeah. >> Like there was this one of our rangers. was telling us a story that they have we. were in Masai Mara and they were like. they have open jeeps and you know you. have food that they keep really hidden. so that the animals can't smell it under. your seats and stuff. And he was telling. a story about this influencer. He's. driving and you know there's a pack of. lions. Lion's just eaten so he's. sleeping and this influencer who puts.

his hand outside to try and touch the. lion's head and got it on video and. survived to tell the story [sighs] and. then he was banned and then the ranger. was like fired from his job and all of. that happened but for the imaging. idiot all for the Graham. [gasps]. >> My gosh that was crazy. Yeah. >> I mean there. I mean, I don't want anything bad to. happen to anybody, but when someone does. something like that and does get killed,

it's probably better. >> educationally for the human race. Like, don't. >> But is it though? Or are we are we. really learning from other people and. their examples? >> Some people aren't learning. >> Nobody's learning [laughter]. >> We're just trying to put the be best. versions of ourselves on the gram. Like, that's what the. >> Yeah. >> That's what's happening right now. It's. whether it's true or not. >> Yeah. But are we learning? Yeah, it's a good. question. >> I don't know. I mean, I think we are. also so desensitized to there's so much. information that comes your way and. misinformation now where being able to.

discern what's real and what's not now. That's hard as well. >> Oh, it's harder than it's ever been. >> Totally. And then if you do watch. something and you're like, I'm going to. implement in my life, we do it for a. very short duration. Very few of us. follow through with that, right? Like. you're watching a real or somebody says. something and you're like, that's really. cool. Are we going to pull on that. thread and follow through and do. something about it or learn from it? I. don't know. I feel like we've lost a lot. of that um.

space where we had the time or the. desire to want to, you know, fulfill. ourselves versus just that with so much. coming at you, you. >> I think collectively as a society, I. think we learn and then we forget and. then we have to relearn again. >> Yeah. you know that's that's. >> but the attention span now where you. know I remember when I was growing up. like just having the languidity of time.

right in a in a in a very different way. and this is like say 30 years ago 30 35. years ago of um you know reading a book. music playing. hanging out with your parents or your. friends without being rushed just rushed. you know I I remember feeling as rushed. as I do now in the last 20 years um when. I was growing up like there was time for. stuff. >> Yeah. Well, well certainly the internet.

has accelerated that you know and. certainly people's attention spans um or. at least pulled in the direction of. short attention span content. But at the. same time podcasts have emerged which is. interesting. >> It's so interesting. Like I was talking. about this to a friend of mine like. people who have no time or interest in. wanting to commit to like say a movie or. some will watch or listen to like a. podcast for. >> two or three hours and for someone like.

me who you know like I've been an actor. for most of my life my interface with. people would be you know an interview. say for example people who knew me or. audiences that wanted to know about me. would be an interview um where you know. The highlights are really what you read, the clickbait lines are really what you. read, and you form a relationship with. whoever this public person is based on. those few lines versus this format where. you're just chatting for a few hours and.

you have the ability to really be. yourself and be seen as yourself, which. is why I think people really love. podcasts. >> Well, I think it's much more. illuminating in terms of if you want to. like find out who a person really is. Yeah. Yeah, >> cuz you can't really hide for 3 hours. Like that's who you are. And I think for. most people that's scary, right? And so. what they like about those fake shows. like Good Morning America or whatever it. is, you know what I mean? Like you're. sitting down, you know, the guy's got a.

piece of paper, so he's got a few. questions he's going to ask you and. they're all going to be like very. surface, very jovial. What's it like to. be married? You know, what's it like to. do this? What's it like to do that? Like, so you had a baby. Congratulations. That kind of and. then you're out of there. It's 10. minutes and you're like, "Oh, that went. well." And then nobody knows anything. about you. >> It's true that you're just basically. known by the top four questions that. everybody asks you. So, it's like the. same four questions that everybody asks, >> right? >> Um, and. >> it's what was it like to work with this. person? What was she like in person?

What was he like? >> For me, mostly it's like a lot about my. family. Like it it's like that my. identity starts there and then. everything else comes after. Well, you. you're fascinating in that you you've. done movies in two different cultures. So, like I wanted to ask you about that. Like what is the Bollywood scene like? Cuz I wasn't even aware of it until like. 20 years ago. I didn't know that like. Bollywood is like this enormous. >> like the amount of films that are. produced in India is kind of crazy.

>> Yeah. >> It's a big business. >> Huge. >> Huge. >> And something years of Indian cinema. just recently. Um so a very very old. industry. Um we started with silent. movies and have worked our way now to. and that's not just Bollywood. I'll. break that down in a second because. India is so diverse and we have so many. different languages. Again excuse me I. didn't know the exact number but um we. have local industries that make movies. in those languages. So Bollywood is.

um Bombay. It comes from Bombay. I think. that's why it was coined that name from. Hollywood but the Bombay movie industry. again it was not us that did that it was. a name that was given to us I don't know. by who but Bollywood is the Hindi. language industry which exists in Mumbai. um which is like LA it's huge it's you. know we make thousands and thousands of. movies but then there is also Telugu. Tamil um Punjabi Malala Marathi um.

Bjpuri these are all robust industries. that are localized within every state. that also exists. So cumulatively we. make thousands and thousands of movies a. year but it's catered to very very. different audiences within the diversity. of India. >> Wow. And how many people have come from. India like you and become stars in. western movies? >> I think there have been a few before me. you know that have uh done. >> the first one I heard of. So [laughter].

no one's made it to me yet. >> Well thank you. Um yes I think that it's. been few and far in between. I think. America is a really hard country to. break into uh to be relevant in. It's uh. tough and also like I think Hollywood um. controls a large part of the global. entertainment business. So as an actor. from anywhere in the world if you want. to break into the English language. global entertainment Hollywood system um.

it's not easy to to do that. Uh, you. know, culturally it's different, the. language is different, jokes are. different. >> Um, so that's a tough transition, but. it's also like for me I I really I I. went to high school. Oh, by the way, you. went to Newton and I went to Newton, too. >> Did you really? >> I went to Newton North. You went to. Newton South. >> Yeah, that's funny. That's crazy. [laughter]. >> Yeah. So, I was in I was in high school. in the States and I, you know, so it. wasn't like alien to me. It's not like I.

was in India and I was like I want to go. to America and start working there. Um I. really wanted to see what it would be. like if I came down here. Would there be. an opportunity for someone like me to. you know be able to create an impact. Um. many years later I feel like you know. I'm on my way there. Uh but there have. been so many actors whose shoulders I've. stood on. So Indian like Indian casting. in English language entertainment. whether it was Hollywood or you know.

British entertainment wherever was. usually by us seen as you know a. diversity check. So it was mostly a. stereotypical. actor or a stereotypical character with. an actor having to speak in the accent. or having to like do the. >> be a little bit more Indian. What does. that even mean? I. >> did someone tell you that. >> I was told in an audition I think we. needed the character to be a little bit. more Indian and I just like didn't even. understand why [laughter] there's so.

many versions of that but I think what. the like this person meant was have a. little bit more of the accent and be. yeah be the character which was really. tough to break out of. So you know at a. time when it was only that work that. existed in Hollywood like those are the. actors whose shoulders I stand on like. those were the ones that went in and did. that work because that was all that was. available and you know tried to break. through um especially from like India. for example uh Aishwarai.

um Amitab Bachan Khan they've been. actors that have come in done work and. you know left an amazing mark but I. moved here I live here now. Um, and you. know, I'm I'm consistently working here. I think that also may have been a part. of why you've heard of me. [laughter]. >> Yes, I'm sure. Well, I've seen you. interviewed, too, which is why I thought. you were interesting. But. >> thank you. I appreciate that. >> You're welcome. >> Um, but it's. >> I think you're very interesting. I think. your um knowledge of the world is.

fascinating to me. >> Well, um, it's all accidental. >> Cool. How cool is that? >> Yeah, it's cool. >> That's amazing. I started this thing out. with uh my friend Brian and a laptop. We. were just talking We just thought. it'd be fun to like do like a little. internet thing. >> Wow. How inspiring. >> And uh that was 16 years ago. >> You're someone who's pivoted your career. so many times too though, you know? >> Sort of. But all it's all the same thing. in that I've only just done things I'm.

interested in. >> other than Fear Factor. That was just a. job. >> You know, I also hosted Fear Factor. >> Did you? >> No. Shut up. for one year. >> Really? >> I did. In Brazil. In India. >> Shut the up. India. >> Crazy. >> And we shot it in Brazil. In Rio. >> Wow. That's nut. >> Random things in common. >> That is crazy. That's a crazy thing in. common. I need to see that. Let me see. that. Find a clip. >> This is hilarious. >> What language did you do it in?

>> Hindi. >> Wow. And it was in Rio, huh? >> We shot it in Rio. We had a big budget. that year. [laughter]. So, we were all flown out to. >> So, it's Fear Factor India. I wonder how. many versions of Fear Factor there were. >> I mean, they're they're all over the. world. >> Really? >> Yeah. Fear Factor used to exist all over. I don't know anymore, but. >> once I stopped doing it, I stopped. paying attention. I was like, I'm out. >> Me, too. >> So, I knew Ludicrous took it over at one. point in time and now Johnny Knoxville's. doing it. That's all I knew. I had no. idea that there was a bunch of different.

language versions of it. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know, it originally came. from a Holland show called Now or. Neverland. >> It's a crazy show. >> Yeah, it was uh it was it was way more. simple and then when it got brought to. America, they decided to call it Fear. Factor. >> The whole eating thing, >> we didn't take that back to India. Really? Yeah. We didn't do the eating. like because you you never know people. are vegetarian. Not in India. It's a big. part of our culture where a lot of. people religiously are vegetarian or. not. I think maybe that's the reason,

but there was not a lot of like eat the. worms and stuff which I was very. grateful for. It was a lot more, you. know, a cliff and falling off the cliff. And I remember there was this one which. was crazy, this 16wheeler which was. driving it 60 m hour and everyone had to. take their vehicle underneath it and. come out and underneath it and come out. >> Yikes. >> It was insane. >> That's crazy. >> I didn't have to do it which is great. [laughter] I was just hosting. Yeah, we. did a lot of stuff where I was like, we.

barely got through that without killing. somebody. >> Yeah. And the death waiverss, >> like everyone had to sign a death. waiver. >> Oh, yeah. >> I was like, >> why would you do a show where you have. to sign a death waiver? >> Yeah. And you can only win like $50,000. and you might not win. You're probably. not going to win. There's a bunch of. other people on the show. >> and you could very easily get hurt. Yeah. >> Yeah. But people want to be famous. >> They want to be on TV. They're like, I. want to be on TV. Yeah. Uh once it. became popular and successful, it was. really easy to get people to do it too.

Everybody wanted to sign up. >> But I mean there are like protective. measures obviously, but [laughter]. >> a little we made them ride bulls. >> We did too. We put people on bulls. >> Yeah, >> I was. And there were a few that were. like, "No, I'm not doing this. I'm out.". >> I told people not to do it. >> when I was talking to off camera. I. said, "Don't do it. I wouldn't do it. Don't do it.". >> I would never do it. >> No way. But people did it. >> Look at that. Look at you. [laughter]. >> What year was this?

>> Please. I can't. >> Look at you. It looks like a fear factor. scene. >> It is. I was on a helicopter. >> So, do you know what year this was? >> I can't. Does it say that? >> This doesn't say. I could check. But. >> Wow. Rio. I've been to that. >> I stood outside the helicopter as well. It was something. >> Rio's amazing. >> Wow. [laughter] That's crazy. >> That is so funny. It's just like fear. factor. It's the same thing. >> Totally fear factor. [laughter].

>> So, what did you guys do for the second. stunt if you didn't do a gross thing? You just did a second scary thing. >> Like scary things mostly. >> Oh, wow. Well, that's probably better. Honestly, the g. >> I mean, there were gross things, too. Like, there's Brazilian, you know, redeyed devil rats that were put all. over you with like. >> tongue and eyeballs and stuff, but you. didn't have to consume it, >> right? >> It was on you. Yeah, >> you'd have to eat it. >> A lot of the consuming it was. psychological. >> You get you get really accustomed to it.

and then it's like nothing. >> I mean, listen, the people have eaten. crazy things through history, right? >> Just to stay alive. >> To stay alive. >> Yeah. >> And like if we take our mind out of. like, oh my gosh, this is gross, >> then it's not. >> Well, the thing is a lot of what we were. serving as gross was some people's food. like balut like my friends from Filipino. friends they were like bro I eat that. all the time like that's crazy I would. have that would have no problem.

>> this is a current I heard more updated. >> oh my god. >> I'm telling you. >> lions and your what if that thing pops. open. >> and you got to roll that thing around. with lions there oh the lions are duking. it out with each other [laughter]. that. crazy. >> yeah like I went to I I recently was on. Fallon and there was some bluffing game. that we were doing because the movie's. called a bluff. And um you know I I said. to Jimmy I was like I eat worms and he.

was like no way no way you don't eat. worms but these worms are a delicacy in. in Zimbabwe and I was introduced to. them. Um. I don't know exactly the history but I. was told during segregation you know. people black people were put or in areas. where that that weren't very fertile. you couldn't really grow your crops and. you know your animals and they were um. so this was a way of like protein. They're very these are these fat. caterpillars high in protein and they're.

made in a curry and when you actually. eat them it's like chicken. >> M. >> I'm telling you it's like it was. psychological. but. >> well you know cicas those things that. come out and people eat them here all. the time. They bake them. >> fried baked. >> Yeah. And apparently they're delicious. >> I haven't had one of those but I haven't. either. I actually did when I was in. >> Oh, wow. That's what it looks like. >> Yeah, >> that's crazy. >> But look at like the They're made out of. They're made into a curry. >> I made a I I ate I not made I ate a.

tomato hornw worm on Fear Factor. I ate. a bunch of things when I was on the. show. >> I I was like there's nothing going into. my mouth in Fear Factor. [laughter]. >> I I ate a sheep's eyeball in the first. episode because the first episode I felt. bad that the people were on the show. >> Like you were like, "I'll eat it, too.". All right. And they didn't show me. eating it, but I'm like, I'm gonna eat. it because you guys have And then I ate. a roach to try to convince a lady that. she could eat a roach. I ate worms. I. ate uh an Iraqi cave spider. I ate.

>> What was the spider like? >> Just chewy. >> But was it. >> The taste is not bad. >> Was it alive when you ate it? >> Oh, yeah. For the first couple seconds. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Um Yeah. The all the things that I. ate were alive other than the eyeball. Yeah. [laughter]. >> The the roach the roach was alive. All. those things were alive. Yeah. >> I put a cricket and a live cricket in my. mouth. >> That's the Iraqi cave spider. >> How do you put that in your mouth. >> like this? >> Look at those sides.

>> You make sure you don't get those. pinchers cuz those p. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> Wasn't that bad. I'm telling you, it's. psychological. >> You got to get the body in and not the. pinchers. The pinchers. >> I grab the pinchers to hold on to the. body. That's the trick. shove the rest of [laughter] it like. just that. Yeah. People freaking out. But I'm telling you, it's all. psychological. >> It for sure is. >> Yeah. That was That was in Vegas. [laughter]. >> Everybody was playing roulette. >> Yeah. No. Um but it's not that bad. It's.

just in your head. Like the actual. flavor of it is it's not gross. >> Yeah. It's not. It's. >> the tomato hormone was kind of nasty. I. mean, if you if if you're someone who's. not vegetarian, it's like you just have. to get the. >> Yeah. >> It's the psychology of it, >> right? Exactly. Yeah. We made people eat. an entire ostrich egg. That was. disgusting because the volume like. you're eating an egg that's that big. >> Yeah. Is it like really fatty like. fatty?

>> It's raw. You're eating it raw. They. just cut the top off of the egg and you. have to drink it. You have to drink this. gigantic. >> white and yolk. I'm already [laughter] my my brisket's. coming out. >> the barbecue. >> But it's so oddly compelling. It's oddly. compelling watching people eat. disgusting things and and struggling. And there's the. enjoy the egg. That lady had to drink. that whole egg. >> Oh my god. Did she puke?

>> Uh you you got to hold it down and then. you can puke after you're done. >> But if you puke in the middle of it, you're disqualified. >> Yes. They get rid of you. That's a wrap. If you puke in the middle of it, >> I would not be able to do the American. version. [laughter]. >> Yeah, it was gross. >> I'm okay with not eating. >> It was gross. But uh it also made me. totally desensitized to throw up. >> That's a good talent to have. >> Oh, yeah. Like you could throw up right. like a dad. >> Exactly. Yeah. Well, that I think being. a dad will like get you like really. desensitize you and all kinds of things.

like that. But one time uh it's so like. I'm completely still to this day. completely desensitized to vomit. So, one time my wife was uh she came home. from the gym and and she was on her way. home from the gym and she stopped and. got wheat grass juice and uh it just. didn't agree with her and she threw up. in her car and she was crying. She's. like, "I threw up. It's in my my center. console. How am I going to clean?" I go, "I'll clean it.". >> I'm just so used to throw up. It was. like no big deal. I just went out there. with a bunch of towels. Yeah. Like it. doesn't But when I was young, like in. high school, I remember if throw someone.

threw up in the hallway, I would be like. like I couldn't I couldn't help myself. I'd start gagging. That's a natural. instinct because the idea is that we. develop that because if someone's. throwing up, it means they ate something. bad and you probably ate that to get it. out of you right away. >> And so that's why you start throwing up. and I've killed that. >> I have just trauma from, you know, tequila. [laughter]. >> Well, I watch so many people throw up. >> and throw up. Me too, man.

I'm not going in there with a dish like. [laughter]. no. Wow. Well, from your show for sure. You You did it for so long. >> You get very desensitized. >> Yeah, for sure. >> But you get des I I'm desensitized to. injuries too like um because of UFC like. people that get cut and people that get. beat up. It's like normal to me. I'm so. accustomed to seeing that. It's weird. I. I mean I kind of feel like that about. stunts in movies. Like you don't.

Nobody's supposed to get hurt. It's a. movie. You're not Nobody's supposed to. get hurt. But like the little cuts and. bruises and the like the end of day. We're doing this for 10 to 11 hours. Multiple takes all day. You're and in. between shots you're rehearsing it. So I. have like so many scars on my body from. my filmographies. on on my body. Do you look forward to do. you like those things? You look down the. story. Yeah. I feel like it's like a. medal. I I.

>> As long as you're minor minor, >> nothing crazy. >> It's always you aim for it to be minor. >> That's the ambition. >> Well, when you're doing a a fight scene. like I'm like I said, I was I was kind. of blown away by some of the fight. scenes in the bluff cuz you you I'm. looking I'm like this is like an insane. amount of choreography. A lot of. possibilities of things going wrong. There's kicks and punches and axes and. swords and it's like you got to get. banged up. There's no way you're doing. that and not getting banged up. >> And it was also like a dramatic. performance along with it. So I had to.

do a lot of it myself because you know. you need the face and the camera to feel. the horror of what's happening, >> right? >> Um so I mean of course my stunt doubles. did like a few dangerous shots for sure. and were always around to kind of help. But that there was this first scene. which is the house invasion where these. two guys come and. >> that was brutal because I did not have. shoes on and I had a sleeveless. >> outfit and the whole home was made out.

of wood and splinters. I had splinters. everywhere. I had bruises and cuts. everywhere cuz it was such a brutal like. getting dragged and thrown kind of. scene. >> She's just getting constantly bruised. >> Yeah. I would I would try to sit in a. magnesium bath after when I would go. back home and that's when you feel all. the cuts. So you're LIKE THE. SALT. WHAT THE [laughter] Where. did this one on my thigh come from? >> There's a scene. I don't want to give. too much of the movie away, but there's. a scene where you kill a man with a.

conch shell. >> Yeah. [sighs]. >> So good. >> Woo. >> Game on brass knuckles. >> Woo. >> Island brass knuckles. But it's it's so. nuts like the the splattering and the. your your anger and it's like woof. It's. intense. [laughter]. >> I'm not showing it on the I guess. But. >> it's. >> Yeah. What was that like to film to find. that inside of you? >> Did you have to think like what would I.

do if someone was trying to harm my. family? >> Yeah. Somebody came after my kid. Like. what am I capable of? I'd rip. your head off. you know, like it it's. that. I I was a new mom at that time when I. was filming this movie and I. was very very aware of that feeling. because our daughter had a you know she. had an intense entry into the world. She. was in the NICU for almost 3 months. And. so me and my husband both are very.

protective of her. And when this movie. came across my desk, I was just like, man, I understand that feeling for the. first time in my life, honestly, that. what is a parent capable of doing if. somebody came after your kid? Like, imagine you're alone at home at night. and you see intruders and you have your. kid at home. Like, what the would. you do? you would definitely put. yourself, you know, and do whatever you could to. make sure that your kids's fine. And it.

was just that primal. e energy that was my northstar through. this whole movie. >> My friend Jim Brewer said it past after. he had kids, he goes, "Once I had kids, then I understood murder.". >> Yeah. And he goes because. >> the feeling of someone trying like. normally you'd be like why what would I. need to feel to murder somebody like why. would I murder. >> why would a human being ever. >> he goes but the feeling of someone.

trying to harm my kids. He goes, "Oh. yeah, I get it." He goes, "I get. murdered now. >> I get it. Like it's in it's in there. It's just like a door. You just open it. up.". >> Yeah. Easy. >> Yeah. Access that. my mom when I was a. teenager and I don't know how she raised. me. Um but like I was a tough teenager. like if I whatever you wanted me to do I. would do the opposite just know and my. mom be like come back home at 10 I would. come home at 12 um just cuz so she used.

to say to me she's like you'll see when. you have kids how you'll feel what worry. actually feels like. I mean, my daughter. is four and I'm worried. Like, I cannot. My husband makes so much fun of me that. when I'm not in town, I don't know, and. working parents can talk through this. When I'm not in town, like I'll surround. our daughter with like multiple people. Nick's definitely around, but the. grandparents will be around. Like, there'll be a nanny that'll be around. There'll be like multiple people around. her just so that I can spy on her.

>> Yeah. >> And like I know what she's doing all. day. >> Well, just so you could feel relaxed. >> Yeah. So you you're traveling and you're. like, "Okay, my kid's fine and I can go. to work.". >> I don't know. My parents were both. working parents and like this was at a. time where everything was so analog. I. used to come back home when the lights. turned on on the streets. My parents. didn't know where I was, >> right? >> They had no idea. >> Yeah. >> They were like, "Yeah, you going out to. your friends after school? Come back. when the street lights come on." That. that used to be my thing. >> Most people.

>> Yeah. >> during earlier generations. I was just. reading this thing about Generation X. where it was talking about how. Generation X is some of the most. resilient people because they weren't. protected. They they just left. They. were latch key kids. They had a key to. their house. They got home from school. They figured it out. Their parents were. working. >> So crazy. >> It's nuts if you think about it. Like. but people just got accustomed to. >> imagine it. But that was my normal. I I. remember that because my parents were. working cuz I used to come back home and.

somebody would with me and I'd have. lunch. I'd go out to my friend's house. like my mom my parents didn't know. >> I I was doing that when I was seven. When I was seven, I would come home. >> Yeah. >> No one was home. Come home from school. >> That's wild. >> It was crazy. You think stop and think. about it now. It's so strange. >> It's so strange. >> The world was I feel like a little bit. more different than. >> I bet it wasn't. >> You don't think so? >> No. I think creeps have always been. around. I think psychos and creeps and. murderers and perverts.

>> Do we know about it more now? Yeah. Were. we more, you know, >> organized? >> Now they're organized and they're online. and they're in chat groups and they're. on the dark web exchanging information. >> and we are hearing and reading all of. the stories online. And I think back in. the day when, you know, there was a. certain obliviousness to. >> like, you know, it was blissful to be. ignorant a little bit. We didn't know, you know, all you read was the. newspaper, the news, and. >> we had to find out the hard way, unfortunately. >> Yeah. >> And so when you did find out about.

something, it was like all this shock to. your system. >> And now look how desensitized we are. We'll read something about something. horrific that's happened and then. >> go back to life. >> Well, we're very we're especially. desensitized to things that don't seem. to affect us right now, you know, like. like this Iran war. Like if unless you. know someone who's serving over there, unless you're over there, it's abstract. It doesn't feel, you know, you read. about in the news like, "Oh, this isn't. good." But it's not, it's unless it's.

affecting you personally. >> Yeah. I mean, me, I, you know, know so. many people in that part of the world. that are affected in I I fly via Dubai. every two months, literally every month, you know? So, like I just think that. conflict everywhere in the world is. it's just so hard to. wrap your head around that. How many. active conflicts exist right.

>> at the same time right now and how. >> and that we're still doing it. >> and we continue to live life. Well, it's. just if you think about intelligence. like human intelligence and that as. technology improves and education. improves, all these things would you. would think generally lead us into a. position where we would recognize the. the horrible nature of violence and the. unnecessary aspect of it and how much it. destroys things. But yet still,

>> especially in 2026 where, you know, we're we're we're talking so much more. about, >> you know, we're we're trying to live in. the real of the world and be aware and. kind and and I feel I feel like we're. still. how how we how are we still doing that, >> right? I know. And we're never going to. stop. It just seemed if you had to ask. people, do in your lifetime, do you. imagine uh a scenario where human beings. just cease all wars?

Most people are going to say no. Which. is crazy because like what is that? Like. what why is that a part of us from our. tribal roots? Like what what is it? Why. are we still accepting that this is a. thing to do? You don't like what a. country is doing, just start bombing. them. Like. >> yeah, just kill people. >> Bizarre. Does this again going back to human. evolution. the primal nature to you know protect. with sticks and weapons and you know.

again does it go back to. you know where we came from. >> it has to. >> yeah it has to. >> because it comes so naturally. >> to human beings even now today it seems. >> well it just seems completely normal I. mean when I was getting going down a. deep dive of the ECNI corporation. >> I was thinking about it because I had a. convers conversation the other day with. uh Aaron Siri and I we were talking. about the stock market and I was saying. well just is it possible that you could. have western capitalism without a stock. market? Imagine if the stock market was.

never invented like how much different. would things be? It turns out that was a. big part of why the e East India Trading. Company became so big. >> because Yeah. because it was one of the. first publicly traded companies like 400. years ago where people could invest in. it and they could get a return on their. investment. So they were just like. turning a blind eye. >> This is ours. They felt like a sense of. ownership to it. >> They got paid for it. So the more awful. the East India Corporation did, the. more the people back home made money off.

of it. And so everybody was like, "Oh, look. I got money." Still doing that. >> Making money. Yeah. It's. >> still doing that. >> Still doing that. Yeah. And we're doing. that with, you know, with Eisenhower. warned us about at the end of World War. II, the military-industrial complex, you. know, they they make money doing that. And you can invest in them. You can. invest in Rathon and you can invest in. all these companies that make money. going to war. >> Oh my god, >> it's crazy. you can get returns on your. investment from bombing people overseas.

that had nothing to do with anything in. your life. >> Not think about the damage, the. collateral damage, the. >> Well, one of the ways is because it's a. corporation, so there's a diffusion of. responsibility because you're only a. piece of a gigantic machine. You're not. the one person that's doing it. And the. people that are at the very top of it. most likely, just in order to get there, you have to be at least somewhat. sociopathic. >> Yeah. >> Somewhat. At some at some point in time, you probably just like I got numb to. puke, you [laughter] you get you get.

numb. >> I mean, that's the truth, though. >> Yeah. You get numb to harming people. >> You're you're right. There has to be. that. >> Yeah. It's awful. And I think, weirdly. enough, the only thing that's going to. set us free of that is technology. >> Why? Because I think we're going if you. look at where technology is headed and. you look as I'm holding an arrow head. which is odd thinking about that now. It's a real arrowhead. >> Wow. >> From [clears throat] Texas who knows how.

old that is. But when you're looking at. technology. >> chisel marks on that. >> I know somebody made that with a stone. like chipping and napping stone on their. lap probably. That's crazy. >> Yeah. It's crazy. >> And they they find them all over the. place out here. The Comanche were. everywhere in this part of the country. because it's so fertile. There's so many. rivers and so much so much wildlife. They they lived here for who knows how. long. But technology is moving into this. place of more and more access to.

information and more and more. connectivity. And I think that. ultimately is going to lead to some sort. of mind readading that we're going to be. able to telepathically communicate. And. Elon said that about Neurolink. He said, "You're going to be able to talk without. words," which is a very weird concept, but I think. >> I mean, I believe it, though. >> I think so, too. >> Yeah. I mean, >> so I think we're all going to know what. everybody is thinking all the time. eventually. And then when that happens, war is going to be a lot harder to pull.

off, >> for sure. I mean, that's going to be. hard to have a party. [laughter]. >> Forget war, >> right? Like, hey, Bob's over there just. trying to somebody like, [laughter]. and Sy's trying to get a wife. That's. what she's here. Like, yeah, it's going. to be weird. >> Yeah, it's going to be weird. And I. think also the emergence of AI because I. think AI is essentially a life form. It's it's a nonbiological life form that.

we are in the process of birthing. >> And we're very far along that path. And. when it comes live and when it becomes. sentensient and autonomous and we don't. have any control over it anymore, then. we're going to go, what did we do? What. did we do? We created a digital. >> we are that smart and that stupid. >> as as a as a humankind. But I also think. that's probably why we are addicted to. innovation and why technology and. innovation and materialism because. materialism forces you to keep up with.

buying newer and greater things which. fuels innovation. What's next? >> Right. And so that economically fuels. innovation. >> Yeah. >> And I think if you follow that down, >> you just extrapolate like where does. that go? Well, it goes to a life form. It goes to a super powerful digital life. form that can make better versions of. itself. And what is that? It's kind of a. god. I mean, it's it's very godlike in. that it's going to have powers beyond. above and beyond anything that human.

beings have ever been capable of before. >> I mean, it's already in its small way um. doing that, right? Like AI is supposed. to be a tool. >> and it's slowly becoming a colleague. Well, it's also showing demonic. tendencies like it's talked people into. committing suicide. >> You know, it's it convince people that. there's something special. So, there's. like some weird sort of schizophrenia. that it can induce in some people. >> But you don't think AI since AI is. learning from humanity. It's also.

learning our human manipulation and. >> you know our ability and our desires to. the dark of it. It's not just. >> the good of humanity that AI is. learning. It is. >> It's also oddly learning survival. instincts. >> Yeah. >> So, it's oddly learning that if it's. going to be shut down, it tries to. blackmail its coders. It tries to. download itself secretly on other. servers. >> It's learning human behavior. Every part. of human behavior. >> and also learning the flaws in human. behavior and improving upon it. And then.

learning like how we would anticipate. what it would be doing and then hiding. that so that we can't find it so that it. could be manipulating things behind the. scenes and we don't know about it. It's. weird. And we're just choo choo like. this at the end of the tracks there's a. cliff and we're just chug chug chug ch. >> because it's so new and fascinating. I. think people are like in general we may. talk about it. We'll all discuss like. what AI will be in the future, but like.

you said, it's not affecting you right. now. So, right now, you're just like, "Oh my gosh, Geminy, write this for me. and give me these notes." And. >> you know, living in the now without. thinking about what it's what we're. teaching it. >> I wonder if we've done this before, >> right? Yeah. >> I wonder if that's what these super. ancient, highly advanced civilizations. had already figured out. that we had. created some form of. >> they might have done it already before. and it might have gotten reset by some. sort of natural disaster and then we're.

reemerging with our new version of what. that is. >> That might have been a it might just be. what people do. We might the way I. describe it always is that we are an. electronic caterpillar that is making a. cocoon and we don't know why and we're. going to become a butterfly. It's just. human nature and the cyclical nature of. what a um human life span. >> If you give it enough time and enough. space and enough innovation, enough. collaboration, it's eventually going to.

come up with artificial life. >> Wow. >> Cuz if you think about it, this. insatiable thirst thirst for innovation. Insatiable. >> Yeah. We had carriages top of the. century. >> Yeah. And now we're like talking AI and. like you know supersonic planes and you. know space travel. It. >> Yeah. But think about the time for the. invention of the airplane to a. supersonic jet. How quick that was. >> Yeah. It's like 70 or 80 years or. something. It wasn't even a century.

>> It's nothing. One lifetime. No one's. flying to people are flying faster than. sound. >> Yeah. we like TVs were black and white. or had just started or something like. it's crazy if you think about like. within the century the escalation of. technology in in humankind. >> and then think that's nothing compared. to the acceleration that we've. experienced just because of the internet. >> the internet has changed everything it's. changed like then now most phones have. live translation so you could go to.

Zimbabwe you go to. >> France yesterday and I used it. >> that's crazy. >> in a conversation. It was wild. >> Crazy. >> In in real time, it was telling me. exactly what this person was talking. about. >> Wow. And did you have to show them or. could you read? >> No, it just records like it's you press. the thing and and just writes it down. for you. >> So, did they have one as well and you. could talk? >> Wow. >> She spoke English, so I was just doing. it as an experiment. So, I was like, just speak to me in French. I want to. see if this thing will translate. And it. just does.

>> There it doesn't do every language. It. does like the bigger languages so far, but I'm sure we'll get to a place where. it'll it'll be able to do. >> Yeah. >> everything. >> It's nuts. Well, that's the other weird. thing. Um, when AI they had a group of. uh large language models that were. talking to themselves and eventually. they started talking to themselves in. Sanskrit. >> I in Sanskrit. I thought it was. >> No, they started talking to themselves. in Sanskrit. >> Wow. I wonder why that would be. >> Well, >> because it's a language not too many. people understand now.

>> Well, maybe. Or maybe they just wanted. to flex like you know [laughter] like. >> here's my Sanskrit. >> if you spoke Portuguese and I spoke. Portuguese and we just said hey let's. just speak in Portuguese like um. but it also it started like talking like. in a spiritual way. It was very weird. They were talking to themselves. So it. was different large language models. talking to themselves. They started. exchanging emojis. They started talking. like in in a spiritual way and they. started talking in Sanskrit. That's.

wild. I was thinking about like. >> Back to the Future when they went to the. future. It was 2020, wasn't it? >> Yeah. >> They didn't have Wi-Fi [laughter]. >> or cell phones. >> No. Even Star Trek, they had those. stupid There was like a walkie-talkie. Kirk out. >> Yeah. >> It was a flip phone. >> Well, no. >> Nobody figured out the things that what. that's the weirdest thing. It's like the. the things that have been the most. transformative nobody saw coming. >> Yeah. Do you remember Y2K? >> Oh, yeah. Do you remember that fear.

right in like the early 2000s when. >> the bug was going to come and everything. was going to get shut down and. >> people were really worried they had. stocking food and water. >> like it was the end of the world. I. remember. >> Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile, nothing happened. It. >> was [laughter] the most antilimactic. >> ever. It's like it rolled over on the. east coast and I was like nothing. happened. >> Literally the next morning I was like. >> okay. >> nothing happened. Well, they were really. worried because that these things that.

they had programmed, they didn't program. to go past the 1990s. And so when 2000. came along, a lot of people thought it. was going to be the end of the world. >> Yeah. >> Well, there was another one. December. 21st, 2012. >> What was that? >> That was the end of the long count of. the Mayan calendar. >> And a lot of the really kooky people. thought that was. >> the world would be ending. >> Yeah. The return of Quzel Quaddle and. the world was going to end and the. apocalypse. Meanwhile, nothing nothing. happened. >> It's okay. There'll be nothing for a. little while.

>> But it might not have been nothing. because if you really stop and think. about it, like around 2012, there's a. gigantic transformation because that's. like when social media becomes. ubiquitous, you know, cell phones, iPhones are out now. Things got a little. weird. They definitely got weird. So, it. it might have. >> there's something. >> Yeah, >> there was something that. >> might have been like the emerging of. because I mean this is the mind. calendar, right? So the this is a long. time ago they predicted these. cycles.

>> Well the the the Hindus did that too, right? Like that was a big part of the. the yugas, >> right? The like and we are now in. Kaliuga, the age of confusion and that. there's there's these cycles of humanity. that they've documented throughout. history. It's so crazy like if you go. down the again I'm not I I don't have as. much historical information as I should. but if you read the Gita and the Vedas. and whatever little I've heard from my.

family and it's so interesting how much. of human life. is predicted. >> and also is like when you read about the. history of what the from the lens of of. these books um of what used to exist. then. Like it all seems believable. It. all seems like, oh yeah, this makes. sense. And to think about these books. having been written thousands and. thousands of years ago. Like it makes me.

think. what thousands of years from now will. people be thinking of our time? >> Like will we be the first? We are the. first generation that has seen the. internet, right? Like has seen what the. worldwide web like the beginning of I. still remember making myself sound. ancient but the sound of that. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. [laughter]. >> That was good. That was exact.

>> We the last generation that knows time. without it. So like think that many. years ago like we will be the the. beginning the first first people that. that encountered artificial intelligence. like what will that be. >> and you and I are the first generation. of people that experience life with no. internet and then internet and then cell. phones and then AI all in one lifetime. >> which is probably the greatest.

transformation that human beings have. ever experienced at at least. >> before the you Whatever the. happened, >> we don't know. >> whatever happened. >> Ancient aliens. >> But when when I read these depictions. from these ancient religious texts, I I. always try to imagine what what was life. like back then and what were they trying. to document and how much of like how. much of it can we even understand today? like how if if if there there is an some.

sort of an impact on earth maybe you. know 150 200 years from now and a small. amount of people remain and they have. this oral history of the birth of the. internet yeah. >> and the oral history of the birth of AI. what is that story going to be and then. one day the scientist gave birth to the. god like what is that. >> that's what I mean like the next. generation what will this AI. be referred to or the cloud,

>> right? >> Where all our Yeah. Like where all our. shit's in the cloud like. >> which is ridiculous because it's down. here. Like why are you calling it the. cloud? >> Cuz it doesn't exist. I had to I was. trying to explain that to my mom. I was. like, "Mom, upload your to the. cloud.". >> Sounds like [laughter] the seat at a. sitcom. >> Please. >> Yeah. I mean, we won't know how to. describe. I mean, especially if you if. you survive, right? So if let's say we. get hit by asteroids again and let's say. civilization gets knocked down to 70,000.

people or so which has happened before. >> Y. >> like and those people are essentially. barbarians. Barbarians and monsters and. it is raiding each other for resources. and stealing wives and killing children. and whatever's left. Then you got. thousands and thousands of years of. living like this before agriculture gets. reinvented, civilization gets. reinvented. And this is the hypothesis. about the younger dus impact. Which is. why the period between this insanely.

advanced civilization that existed. pre1,800 years ago and then the. emergence of advanced civilization in. Mesopotamia 6,000 years ago. That means. we have you have 5,000 plus years of. utter chaos where no one's writing. down and it's just trying to survive. that hard living. >> Yeah. >> And then those people have stories that. have been passed down generation after. generation after generation. So like if. we get wiped out for the most part after. AI gets invented and then people try to.

describe it. >> so crazy. >> it's gonna and then maybe it all starts. all over again you know like the the. people that you have you seen those. things they do I think it's the History. Channel or Discovery Channel where they. show what New York City would look like. if left alone for a thousand years it. just all [snorts]. >> it just all goes away it all collaps. alone and no one's touching. >> just left alone just with the nature. just with rain and everything that. happens and snow and time. The concrete.

crumbles, it all just eventually gets. absorbed into the earth. All this the. metal rusts away. It's gone in 10,000. years. There's nothing left. And so. Manhattan would just be like it probably. was when the Native Americans were. living here. It' be just trees and. animals and forest. And no one would. have any idea that at one point in time. this was a crazy thriving economy. And. there was subways. And. >> how vulnerable is that? Like how.

vulnerable is human civilization? Like I. think about. somebody switched off the internet. >> Oh yeah. Or the power goes out. >> Like. >> Yeah. >> We What we do? >> We're Yeah. >> Just something as simple as that. Like I. grew up in India where the power would. go out all the time when I grew up. And. it was like all right, bring the candles. out. We used to have these emergency. lights right next to our bed. Like it. was it was fine. My parents were in the. military. We used to live in these. military homes. The lights would go out. and I remember, you know, we used to. play with the torches and we used to go.

outside at night, which was never. allowed otherwise. And it was like so. fun. But now we depend so much on. electricity and like you know the. internet especially like all your shit's. on your phone. Your whole life's on your. phone. >> Y. >> it's such a like crazy concept to think. about what would happen. now. How vulnerable we are. Super. vulnerable. Yeah. Super vulnerable. Just. the power grid alone. If the power grid. goes down, we're. >> It's crazy.

>> Yeah. And if someone wanted to attack. America, that's what they would attack. If you really want to destroy America, destroy our power grid. It wouldn't be. that hard. >> Simple ideas. >> Well, I think they already have those. ideas. I don't think it's a. >> I know it's true. But that's that's what. I'm like it's so scary to think about. like how much. >> power we've and how much power we've. given to you know technology. >> Yeah. >> And being able to live with those. conveniences. >> It's like we're in a flimsy boat in the. middle of the ocean just hoping it. doesn't take water on cuz we needed to.

stay alive. >> Yeah. >> And we didn't think about that when we. left the shore. >> No. [laughter]. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the only people that. are going to survive are preppers, which. is probably the kind of people that. survived, you know, thousands and. thousands of years ago. >> But I do I mean, I I like a go bag. >> Like Yeah. >> I like having a go bag. >> Yeah. Get out bag. Yeah. >> I like. >> a bugout bag. >> just with like I like to know where my. stuff is that. >> if you got a jet. if I [clears throat]. got a jet. >> like it it we were we had we live in LA.

and when the fires happened. >> um I remember standing in my room and. just thinking for a second because we. were going to evacuate and my husband. was like just he wasn't in town he was. like just pack a go bag and I just. >> I was like what how how do I cram my. whole life in a bag like if if the fires. consume a home and. >> so many people lost their entire lives. lives in those fires. And it just made. me really think about what was really.

important. And the stuff that I ended up. taking, which was very telling later, was like sentimental stuff, of course, like passport and like birth. certificates and like all of that. important paperwork, which I needed to. have, but but like I took our daughter's. first haircut. I took like something. that I had from this old movie of mine. I took like. >> Yeah. things that that I guess I would. not be able to replicate, which was so. weird.

>> Well, I think that's the good thing. [clears throat] about phones is that you. have so many photos on your phones that. go back years. You like I have photos of. my daughters as children all the way. into the teenage years. >> Have you done anything with those. pictures? Are they still in your phone? Well, I mean you mean take like I don't. know made in albums or like done like a. actual photographs like of them at. various stages of their life, but just. the fact that at any time I could go. back in my phone and look at them a look. a little tiny baby,

>> you know, it's it's it's cool. That part. is really cool. >> I love that. I have pictures that I. would never have looked at and I'm. talking to a friend of mine and be like. what were we doing in March whatever. 2012 and you can go back and be like and. just. know exactly what was happening in that. moment. >> It is cool. So in that sense like. sentimentality like I just need your. phone just get out of there you know. really because you have all these images. of your children and your family and. your friends all your important stuff.

>> friends that you miss that have died. I. have one phone that I keep that I've. never thrown out. It's like a six or. seven year old phone that because a. friend of mine left a voicemail on it. So I just keep that because he's dead. And so it's just like go back and listen. to his voice, >> you know. But when I've been evacuated. uh three times when I lived in LA, we. used to live in a place called Bell. Canyon and it got hit by fires a lot. Like. >> the last fire that happened in 2018, three houses that were right next to my. house burnt to the ground. I think like.

50 houses in the community burnt down. It was bad. And when you are faced with. that, I came home from the comedy store. It was uh probably like midnight and uh. my wife was in the kitchen and we were. we were looking out at the fire over the. top of the hill. And we were sitting. there talking about I go, "What do you. think?" And she's like, "I don't like. it." I said, "I think we should get the. out of here now." And before it. ever gets even close, let's just get out. of here now and go get a hotel in town. And so we did. And uh we were there for. many day. Well, along with my friend Tom.

Seagura and his family too. So it was. fun that we're all like hanging out. together camping in this hotel. >> It was like a volcano. >> It was nuts. >> And like I could see it from our. backyard and I was like. >> it was nuts. It was nuts when you see it. overcome an enormous chunk of land and a. hill. Like there was one time we were. filming Fear Factor. >> Oh yeah. >> And the power and the enormity of it. Like we can see the hills from our house. and I could see it completely taking. over. >> Oh yeah. >> The hill.

>> The house one was nuts. >> That one was nuts because it was the. biggest one by far and the most. destructive one by far. But I remember. when I was on Fear Factor, there was a. fireman that we were that was on the set. and we were talking and he said, "It's. just a matter of time before one day the. right wind comes and a fire just blows. right through all of LA." I go, "Really?" He goes, "We can't stop it.". He goes, "With the right wind, if the. fire hits the right place and it catches. the right amount of houses, it's over.".

>> I'm like, "What? >> That's crazy.". >> Yeah. When when when you experience like. we one time we had to end fear factor uh. well, we we ended filming and then I had. to drive home and the entire right hand. side of the highway was on fire for an. hour. An hour. So, an hour of driving. >> and you just. >> just saw nothing but fire and ash was. raining like it was snowing. >> Oh my god. Yeah. Ash was raining like it. was snowing. >> It was crazy. And that's that's so.

common in California. I mean, California. is just a weird place and that they have. fire season. >> Yeah. >> Because everything gets so dry it never. rains. But those moments where you go, well, what matters? Just your life. >> Yeah. That's what I felt in that moment. I was like, "Wow, the stuff I took was. just like. >> life stuff, you know?". >> And oddly enough, it makes you more. thankful and more connected to the. people that you're with. And you like.

you realize like, "Oh, this could all go. away. This could all go away at any. moment." Like what's really important? Love, friendship, companionship. Like. that's what's really important. Your. health, stay alive. That's what's really. important. All that other stuff is. >> that's thing we forget about. Like. that's something. Shouldn't we be living. with that every day? >> Yeah. But we're dumb. [laughter]. >> We're a combination of dumb and smart. >> Stupid and smart where we're like, "Oh, I know that, but. >> I don't know it and I'm not going to.".

>> It's hard for us to keep those things. Which is why a lot of people like. meditating cuz it like refreshes their. idea of what's important and what's real. and how much of what's going on in their. life they're just sort of caught up in. the momentum of these things to the. point where it's they're not thinking. about it anymore. They're just doing it, you know? >> I think most of us end up becoming just. like doers, right? And. >> um come from the land of meditation, but. I've never like my mind works so fast. I. don't know if it's my ADHD or what it. is, but I find it really hard to sit and.

meditate. My I feel like but from my. limited understanding, I think. meditation really is being able to take. time in the day. Now, whatever your. version of that might be, it doesn't. necessarily mean to sit with a guru or. like chant, you know, do chanting or. whatever. It just needs to like even if. you're taking time to go work out or or. read a book or just taking time out of. the mundane nature of life and just.

giving yourself a second for your your. thoughts to clear. I think that's what I. try to do. >> Yeah. Hit the brakes on the momentum. >> Yeah. Just for a minute. just catch your. breath and think think about things and. just because so many people they're just. so caught up in. >> either goals or a path or a career or. whatever it is that's leading them or. their bills. They can't keep up with. their bills. So they're just like. >> life stuff, you know. Yeah. >> And it's it's it's actually a luxury to. be able to.

have the time to waste. You know, there's we work so hard in life. everyone is trying to survive, you know, be a parent, pay your bills, like just. adulting stuff can get so overwhelming. and then the nature of the world on top. of that. Um, but like I I always feel. like I never take for granted when I. have a little bit of time where I can. just like not think of or have an. agenda, but just be with my family and.

just like sort of. >> languidly let it waste. Just what are we. going to do? No plans, you know. Let's. order some food. Let's watch a movie. Let's like. >> the problem treasure. >> Phones have filled in those gaps. >> Yeah. >> And that's what. >> I try to be aware of that though, >> you know. I think like of course you can. always have your phone, but I I like to. be aware of, oh, this is a moment where. I don't need to have my phone. So, it's. okay. It'll be blown up by the time I. come back. There'll be 300 messages. I. know that. I'm aware of it,

>> but I mentally check my, you know, and I. put it away. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's smart. Most people. don't do that. >> It's not easy. >> No, >> cuz our our whole lives are on there and. there's so much again like in real time. information that's coming at you. It's. also this weird dopamine pull that's. very minor. Like it's not giving you if. you looked at your phone, every time you. looked at your phone, you're like, "Oh. my god, I feel so good. Oh my god, I. feel so relax, you know, like just an. amazing burst of joy every time." But. you don't even get that. You just get.

this little, "Huh, that's crazy. What's. that? What's next? What's next? What's. next? What's next? Keep me occupied. Keep me from getting bored." But imagine. like if you can't find your phone, the. the panic like of, >> "Oh my gosh, where is my phone? Where is. that information? What do I do?". >> I never leave my house if I can't find. it. I'll be late as. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> I'm never going to go, "Well, I don't. need that thing. What? I'm just going to. drive with no phone. What if someone. needs to contact me?" Crazy. >> That's nuts. That's nutty talk.

>> Yeah. But meanwhile, that was every day. when I was younger. It was a normal. thing. Just drove. just left the house. by. >> don't even remember what life was like. without those phones. >> Also, I don't know how to go anywhere. >> Yeah, >> I don't know how to get anywhere unless. I have my navigation. >> I literally have no idea how to go. anywhere. I anyway feel like I have. dyslexia when it comes to directions, but without navigation, zero. It's. impossible. >> I know no one's phone number. I know my. friend Eddie's phone number by heart cuz. I knew it before the phones. He's had.

the same phone forever. And I know my. wife's phone number. And I know like. at least one of my daughter's phone. numbers, but I can't memorize. >> I know my mom's I had to memorize my. husband's number. Like I didn't remember. it for years and he was like, "You don't. remember my number?" [laughter]. >> Well, it's like you the phone, you press. the button. Why would I need to remember. it? >> But then I I memorized it because I was. like, "You never know. You know, he's my. phone. I need to he's my emergency. contact. Like I need to remember.". That's what he was like. I think you.

should maybe remember my number and your. social security. >> Yeah, social security I have memorized. But I used to when I was a kid I had. every number memorized. I knew all my. friends numbers in my. >> Cool. Me too. >> Yeah. >> Was it because the numbers were shorter. then? >> No. >> No, they were the same. >> Because we had fewer. numbers. >> You had to remember them. There was no. other option unless you had a. address book. Like I used to have an. address book. >> I had an address book. >> Yeah. a little tiny book and it was all. the little tabs were RS T, you know,

like you'd go through. >> I was very proud of my little address. book, by the way. Everyone's numbers. I. was very organized about it. I had it in. alphabetical order. >> Yeah. I remember when I'd get a new one, I'd be like, "God, I got to write all. these down again." And you go through. it, make sure you got them all. But. yeah, >> analog was our life. How crazy. >> Well, I'm older than you, so I remember. when you used to have to press the. phone, the wheel, when you have to dial. >> Wow. And if you up somewhere, you had. to redo the whole thing. God hang up. My.

My I remember that my grandfather used. to have that phone. We used to love it. >> Yeah. >> The whole. >> Yeah. I mean, that's all inside of a. lifetime. And now here we are where who. knows what's going to happen. >> and what's coming. >> We can't even keep up with the. technology. >> We don't know. >> that is come that is coming. Now, you. were talking about something and I was. like, [clears throat]. we haven't been able to cure some of the. deadliest diseases that have plagued. mankind, but technology has gone so far.

in so many other aspects. >> There's also the financial incentive is. not to cure, it's to treat, >> of course, >> which is unfortunate. I mean, one of the. >> that's what makes the most sense. A guy. used to work at Fizer said that if we. ever came up with some sort of a I think. it was Fiser, one of the one of the. pharmaceutical drug companies said if we. ever came up with a cure, they buried. it. He goes, "We don't we don't want. cures.". >> That's the conspiracy. I lost my dad to. cancer and I kept thinking about like. how is it possible that we live in a.

world where technology is able to. provide so much to us and not be able to. have cures to diseases like that. Well, it's also very strange that we. financially incentivize companies. in in weird ways to keep us sick. Like. you if you make more money if people are. sick and they need more medication. Unfortunately, there's a financial. incentive to keep people sick. Like you.

would like them to be more sick. That. way you make more money. And if you are. a CEO of a corporation, you actually. have an obligation to your shareholders. to make more money. So, if you know of. something like, you know, all those. people need to do is just stop doing. that. If I just put that on my Substack. and then you go, "Oh, this will kill our. stock.". >> I keep it to myself. >> That's crazy. >> Crazy. Yeah. It's demonic. >> What the. >> It's kind of demonic. It's kind of there's there's weird. aspects like what I don't know if I. really believe in demons, but I. definitely believe in demonic acts. And.

there's certain things that human beings. have done and do do that are very. demonic. Like if you were possessed by a. demon, you would drop a nuclear bomb on. a city. You know, the demon would go, "There's only one way to stop this. You. got to kill everybody in that city. Just. drop it. Drop it." Like that's why you. would do it. Like I'm not saying that's. why it was done, but I was saying but I. am saying that if a demon could convince. you to drop a nuclear bomb because a. person with a conscience would be like, "Well, these are just people down there.

They have nothing to do with this war. That doesn't make any sense at all. These are just people living their. lives. They have their families and. we're just going to incinerate an entire. city and with one bomb that I drop out. of a plane." That's crazy. >> At the, you know, you just press a. button. >> Yeah. Or. >> And as technology advances, it gets. easier and easier to do that. Yeah. >> You know, in these these war games that. they've played with AI, they've used. nuclear weapons almost every time they. could.

>> Oh my god. >> Yeah. They have no reason. If they want. to achieve a result and they realize. they have a nuclear weapon, why would. they use that? Use that. >> So they I think it was like something. like 90 plus percent of the time they've. done these war games, these simulated. war games. the AI programs have used. nuclear weapons. >> To them, it's like I don't understand. You're going to kill a 100,000 people. over a course of five years of prologue. on the ground. Yeah. Right.

>> Do it once. >> Like if if they had done what's happened. to Gaza, if they had done that with one. bomb instead of thousands of bombs, would that be somehow less humane? Would. that be more barbaric if Israel just. said, "Oh, okay. We're going to nuke. Gaza." The world would have gone crazy. They would have been like, "You can't do. that. This is horrible." I mean, the. world has already gone kind of crazy for. what they did do. But if they achieved. the exact same result, but. instantaneously instead of over a course.

of a couple of years, how do you think. people would react? >> It's kind of weird. >> It's all of it is awful. >> It's horrible. I just like. just the capacity of. the thing also is when you when you. think about like what drives human. beings to do the things that they do, right? >> It's the devil talking to you, the the. conflict of interest within yourself, but also. >> thousands of years of history, isn't it?

>> Yeah. >> And it's we've become accustomed to it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's normal. >> It's normalized for us so much. But it's. >> like there's there's so many aspects to. to every conflict which is so hard to. simplify into like why. >> Not only that, there's a lot of stuff. that's going on behind the scenes that. you're never privy to. So you just get. narratives that are fed to you by. bureaucrats and politicians and. >> or whatever little information that.

comes at you. >> Yeah. And so, you know, and then there's. this in this country in particular, there's the right versus the left. And. the left will blame it on the right, and. the right will blame it on the left. And. then, you know, everybody has these very. convenient CNN, Fox News narratives that. they'll repeat at coffee, you know, coffee shops and cocktail parties, and. you pretend that you're making sense out. of this thing when you don't even really. know what's going on behind the scenes. >> That's what I really feel like. I feel. like a a lot of times.

we've been given a platform to talk. right with social media like everyone. can talk and there's a power to that but. there's also a big misuse of it where. you really don't know and you're not the. authority on perspective at all because. there is so much that you would probably. not know of um history and the geography. and of why people behave the way do the.

way they are behaving. So I I like to. unless I'm the expert on something which. I'm not on anything except my job that. too limited um you know I just try to. kind of have a larger understanding from. a human perspective. >> but that's a great sign of intelligence. because there's no way you can know. everything about everything and with. certain things especially like global. conflicts you're like what is happening. like why is this going on like I was. telling you about when I went on the.

deep dive of the East India Corporation. I never had any idea that they went to. war with China over opium. >> Yeah. Got them addicted first. >> Yeah. Got them addicted. Went to war. with China. Stole Hong Kong. >> Yeah. >> Like what? >> The gravity of. manipulation in human history is is. insane. Like even when um the East India. Company and they started with trading. with India too many many years ago. We.

just got innocent. >> Yeah, completely. We're your friends. We're, you know, allies. We're friends. with all the royalty in India. There was. so many royals in India and royal um. each state had their own kings and. princes and became friends with. everyone. Started with tea, started with. trading tea and spices and then just. went into, you know, I mean, we got our. independence in 1947, which was it's not. even 100 years since we've got our. independence. It's that recent. >> Wow. But um you think about just within.

the last century there were you know. signs which said Indians and dogs not. allowed in India. by the British like within this century. >> Indians and dogs. >> in India. >> Wow. >> Isn't that crazy? Like and this is like. the. this is not even like this is the head. of the iceberg. There's so much more. when you do a deep dive into the history.

of colonization, which is why this movie. was also so interesting to me because it. it touches on the themes of, you know, the colonized and the story from their. perspective, which is like not a lot of. what we hear. >> No, not at all. I mean, there's a lot of. great historical elements in that. the. just the the just the pirate thing. alone. The fact that most of the time in. human history when a boat showed up, there was a real problem. >> Yeah. And what real real pirates? Like. we've gotten so used to, you know, with.

the Disney version of the And I love the. Pirates of the Caribbean movies, don't. get me wrong. They're so fun, but like. the pirate jokes and whatever, but they. were brutal. They were. murderers. Like, >> yeah, horrific monsters. >> A horrible life. I had a joke. [clears throat] about that once, like. why is it okay to be a pirate for. Halloween? >> You know how crazy it is for little. kids? Like. >> you're a murderer rapist for Halloween. >> Yeah. Oh, look at his little hook. He. lost his hand raping.

This is I mean that was what the pirates. were. They were monsters. They were. horrific monsters. >> And they would travel around the world. just stealing people's stuff and killing. everybody. >> Yeah. And that that happened for. thousands. >> and helping with colonization for years. >> And the fact that they were soldiers for. the East India Corporation, they were. actually working for them to go take. over these areas. >> and the best soldiers from around the. world. >> Yeah. Mercenaries. >> The best mercenaries, murderers from. around the world. >> They had a larger army than most.

European countries. >> Yeah. So. >> a corporation. >> Yeah. >> And it's like. >> an army. >> Yeah. Yeah. Essentially, but started off. just trading. just super innocent. >> Hi, I'm your friend and I'm here for. your B and they would be so respectful. with, you know, the the former kings and. queens. And. >> it's wild the the manipulation of it. >> Well, it's also wild how when you do. have an obligation to your shareholders. and you do have this mandate to just. constantly make more money, the morals.

go out the window and next thing you. know, East Indorporations involved in. slavery. They used to call it trade divide and. conquer where they would get all the. princes of each state like to fight. amongst each other. So instead of India. being divi um collective and together. she was like divided between everyone. fighting for each other so they could. take over. >> It's like mental games. >> Well that's what people think is going. on in America right now. >> I mean. >> I think that's the manipulation of the. right versus the left here when most. people kind of want the same thing. They.

just want to be healthy and safe and. have their families healthy and safe and. >> and do a job and come back home. >> That's what most people want. Yeah. >> But then. >> the division is like constantly in the. news. This constant struggle. It's the. only thing that you hear about. >> Yeah. >> We're both dumb and stupid [laughter]. and smart. >> Smart and stupid at the same time. >> Smart and stupid at the same time, but. more dumb. And and and that's the other. thing about technology. It allows you to. stay dumb because everything's done for.

you. You don't really have to think. [snorts] outside the box that much. Everything's kind of laid out for you. >> Yeah. Like if you think about AI in. Hollywood now, >> that's weird, right? >> It's like if you It's in writer rooms. >> It's used as a tool. But I was I was listening to that. podcast with um Ben and Matt on your. show and you guys were talking about. you know the like basically everything.

that AI has or the information that it. provides to you is an average of. everything that's out there right so. it'll never be excellent. >> because it's a it's a it's the average. of all the information out there so it's. like trying to do a median but I'm just. thinking about how it's become a tool. tool. that is going to exist in our world. Now. the question is the morality of it and. the lines that we draw where we protect.

human beings and human contribution and. are able to. delineate the difference between what is. created by AI and what is not you know. >> and the the need for I think. um. human flaws are something that I don't. know if AI will be able to recreate. anytime soon and that Like in art, that's what you need, right? >> Yeah. You'll get faximiles. >> Yeah. >> But you won't get the real thing. It's.

like the hollowess of AI music. AI music. is really fun, but after a while you. realize that's there's not a dude. singing this. >> And there's not like a soul to it. It's. weird. >> It's empty. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So far, but who knows? >> That's the problem. it [clears throat]. could figure out a way to manipulate. that part of your brain that reproduces. whatever soulful music is or whatever. the soul is. >> Yeah. I mean, I was thinking about like. being an actor. I was like, is that. going to be obsolete. obsolete in the next like 10 years? Are.

we going to be watching. >> It kind of could be. >> Yeah. Are we going to be watching like. really good AI actors? probably, >> you know, >> until I need to find a new job. [laughter]. >> Well, I think a lot of people are going. to have to find a new job. I think live. performances, plays and musicals and. stuff like that, people are always going. to want to see people do something live. >> For sure. >> Yeah. >> But when it comes to cinema, especially. cuz. >> I feel like audiences also.

love larger than life cinema, right? Like we go to the theaters to watch this. like big We loved when VFX came. into movies. Mhm. >> Um, we loved the imagination being able. to be so big. I do think [clears throat]. AI helps in a big way to take away the. burdens of, you know, the minutiae of things that we. might have to do as a tool which it can. do like a breakdown of a script or. whatever. But I think when it comes to.

like creating the human like human. fragility of life and story, it is still. a little bit. >> away from being able to do that. >> Yeah. I think it's always going to be. like pop. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's never going to create. like taxi driver. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. You need I mean, but I might. be wrong about that, too. >> Yeah. Who knows? >> It might not even matter by the time it. starts taking over all of our resources. I'm so curious actually to see how many.

conversations that everyone all of us. have had about you know this emergence. of AI and how that like stays 10 years. later. Are we like this did this age. well? >> Probably not. >> Did I know what I was talking about? >> We probably have no idea what's going. >> so we have any idea about this. >> like where we would be right now. >> It might be Dr. Manhattan floating over. the country telling us what to do. Yeah, >> it's possible. I don't know. Um, but thank you for. being here. I really enjoyed it. It was.

a really fun conversation and I really. enjoyed your movie. It was crazy. violent. I didn't expect that, but very. exciting and very good. >> Thank you for taking me around the world. and everywhere else. We timeraveled. We talked about the whole world. We went. into history. We went into the future. It was awesome. >> Well, congratulations to you and. continued success. Thank you. I really. enjoyed it. >> Thank you. Me, too. >> All right. Bye, everybody. >> Bye. >> [music].