Joe Rogan Experience #2460 - Rachel Wilson

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Hello, Rachel. What's happening? >> Hello, Joe. >> Very nice to see you again. Um, so when. your husband Andrew came in here, he. told me about your book and then I. talked to you and you seemed very. interesting and you gave me like a. little brief synopsis of it and so then. I listened to it on audio tape and it's. crazy. And it is [laughter] the.

occult feminism, the secret history of. women's liberation. Um, you know, I. didn't really have much of an opinion on. feminism. I my my opinion was, you know, unfortunately you run into some. feminists that just seem to not like men. for whatever reason. And you know, there's a lot of people in this world. that aren't happy with their position or. station in life. But I didn't really. think too much into how this all got. started until I listened to your book. and I'm like, this is kind of bonkers.

So before we get into your book, like. how did you decide to write about this? like what what was your little journey? >> Oh, >> or big journey. >> Yeah, it's kind of a big journey. So, uh. when I was growing up, I was like a in. all the advanced kid classes and from. the time I was in like kindergarten, it. was just pounded into my head like. you're going to college, you're going to. have a career and you know, you're smart. and you have to do something with that. It was like the only option that was put. before me. And so, I followed that path.

like all the way through school. And by. the time I got done with 12 years of. regular school, I realized a couple. things. One is uh school is not where. you go to learn things. Uh school isn't. ne public school is not so great for. smart people for the most part. And that. I really didn't like like another four. years of school just sounded like hell. to me. And I really just wanted to get. married and have kids. That's kind of. what I always wanted to do. much to the. horror of my Marxist feminist mother um.

who who did not like. >> indoctrinated at an early age. >> Well, she tried, but I was the why kid. I was the kid that's just like why? Why? But why? Um and I had like a Rush Limba. dad. >> Wow. >> They got divorced. Shocker. Who could. have seen it coming? Um so they got. divorced when I was like nine. And I had. So I grew up in like two worlds. I had. like Republican business owner Rush. Limba dad and I had Marxist feminist. crazy mom. >> Was the mom always Marxist feminist and.

was the the the dad always like a Rush. Limbbo Republican? Yep. >> How did they fall in love? How did all. that happen? >> They didn't. I was an accident. [laughter]. >> Oh, so they just fall in lust. >> Yes. >> I was like a an oops baby. And my dad. said that when he saw me he was like, "Well, I don't want anybody else right. Like this is the only thing that matters. to me. So, I'm going to make this work. And he tried his best. >> How did they even hook up with such. radically different ideologies? >> I don't think they were talking about.

that sort of thing when they got. together. They were probably hanging out. at a bar. >> Oh, so they didn't really know each. other very well. >> Not really. No, they were kind of like. they worked in the same place and met at. work and then had like a fling and then. >> I was born. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I had divorced parents. Yeah. It was it was really rough because my. mother like hated my dad. She couldn't. ever tell you anything he did wrong. >> Yeah. >> It was just like he's a evil white. patriarchist. Bad bad Republican man.

One of my earliest memories is them. fighting over the Bush Daucus election. in 88 and like threatening to lock each. other in the house so that the one. couldn't cancel the other one's vote and. stuff. [laughter]. >> Yeah, >> I know. Fun. [laughter] It was fun. Was. this before after Kitty Dukakas drank. mouthwash or what did she drink? She. drank something like that after shave or. mouthwash to try to get drunk. >> Like she would the pressure of the. election must have been so insane. And.

this is preocial media, right? And this. lady was already struggling with like. alcoholism and uh I think she was. hospitalized for drinking something that. was not a drink. Well, can we find out. what that was? >> Sure. >> It was really crazy, right? remember? Do. you remember that? >> I just remember that whole election. being pretty nuts like as far as like. the Democrats versus Republican. And. this was when Democrats were more like. how Republicans are right now. They. weren't like ride in a tank to make.

everybody think he was like a pro-war. tough guy. Remember that? >> Yeah. Yeah. And I remember read my lips, no new taxes, and all that stuff. So. like I I had this going on like as a. kid. So I think my brain was already. thinking about this sort of stuff from. the time I was little. Rubbing alcohol. Yo, that's crazy. >> Nail polish remover. >> Oh my god. She drank nail polish. remover. >> Holy. >> She couldn't just huff paint like normal. person.

>> Very open about her struggles with. alcohol and addiction to amphetamines to. reduce the stigma surrounding these. issues. Later detailing these. experiences in her books. >> Huh. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, my parents were like. ready to kill each other over that. And. so, they divorced right right after. that. They divorced. And so, I'd spend. time with dad and I'd spend time with. mom. And I had to two completely. different realities and worldviews. And. I think growing up like that, you're. trying to sort out what's true. You're. trying to figure out like, is there any.

merit to what mom's saying the world is. or any merit to what dad's saying the. world is? And I think dad was more. persuasive and and better at pulling me. his direction because I never really. absorbed like I always thought Marxism. was, you know, faking gay and stupid. I. just never bought into it at all. >> Why Why at an early age did you think. that? >> Uh because I already had seen that, you. know, we're not all born equal with. equal things and some people work much. harder. Some people have natural gifts. and talents. And to think that cuz my.

mother would literally say stuff in the. house like from you know from each. person according to their ability to. each person according to their need. And. I was like even when I do that in class. like if there's a group project. everybody wants me on their team because. I'm the smart kid who's going to do the. homework. I end up doing everything and. everybody else gets the A even though I. did everything. So I was. >> those are the people that are really. into socialism people that halfass. stuff. >> Yes. >> Yeah. And so like from a being a little. kid, I even noticed like no things.

aren't equal and things aren't always. fair and it depends on you know your. natural skills and abilities and then. what you do with those things because. there's lots of people like my mother. was super talented, really intelligent. person, but she was so like emotionally. chaotic. She never applied them to. anything. She never really got anywhere. or did anything. She had big dreams of. what she thought she should have and and. never really got there because. >> she was so like emotionally unregulated. and kind of chaotic. So,

>> I just kind of saw that no, there's not. this like thing where you can just even. the playing field and make it all equal. for everyone. That's not how it works. There's also a thing that if you're. locked up in something like Marxism, you. you if that's your ideology, you're in. this constant struggle with the rest of. the world all the time where you want to. bend it to your ideology. You want to. change it. And so even if you're a very. intelligent person, your daily mindset. is struggle. Your daily mindset is.

conflict and existential crisis. like. you know people. >> that is exactly that was that was the. picture that was laid in front of me. >> Yeah. It's such a. >> I go to dad's house and he's like he. started a business after the divorce and. he's like hustling. He's working 12 to. 14 hour days. He's doing everything he. can to make it work. He's not. complaining. He's just like this is what. you got to do if you want to make it. If. you want to, you know, do your own thing. and prove that, you know, you're good at. what you do, you have to compete. You. have to get out there. You have to work.

hard. Why complain about it? And then my. mom's whole world was she ended up being. very bitter and resentful because it was. like this view of but I deserved this. That should have been me. I got robbed. of it because whatever reason and often. it was like if I was more attractive, you know, the men at work would have. given me a raise if I looked like the. other woman in the office or something, you know. So it was like this. >> bitter, resentful. She was kind of like. at war with the world. So seeing those.

two things, neither of my parents are. perfect. Who is who has perfect parents? But it was kind of like I'd rather play. over here where there's a purpose for me. working hard and giving it my best shot. and trying in life and figuring out. what's important to me and then. tailoring, you know, all my efforts. toward that. And I just thought that um. having a family was so cool. And I. wanted to have the family I didn't have. So, >> uh, I I had this dream of like getting. married, having kids, having an intact.

family, and making it like a place where. kids can grow up without all the. screaming and yelling and chaos that I. had and that a lot of kids have. nowadays. So, um, didn't go to college. I had a full ride scholarship and I. didn't go, which everybody thought was. the end of the world. It was like, how. could you do that? Your life is over. You'll never be anything. And I was kind. of like, we'll see. You know, >> it is very weird that we're convinced. that the only way to get educated is by. an official institution with all the.

information that's available now. I. mean, even back then, like that's the. whole premise of Goodwill Hunting. Like. you can get very smart from a public. library. You really don't need. >> it's just the books are available for. everyone. The information is available. for everyone if you chase it down. It's. not like the only people that get any. information are the ones who go to these. colleges. >> It's one of the biggest lies that. education like we can just educate. everyone. The problem is we're not. educated enough and if everyone had. enough access to education, everyone.

would be intelligent, everyone would be. thriving. It's like the internet's kind. of proved this. >> I had a teacher, >> it's not an information problem, right? >> I had a teacher in high school that said. something. I don't know if this is his. quote or he was quoting someone else, but he said, "Education is something. that allows you to get along without. intelligence, and intelligence is. something that allows you to get along. without education.". >> I like that. That's pretty good. >> And I was like, "Oh, I get it." There's. there's certain people that are just. dumb at certain things. Like I remember.

being around intelligent people that had. no knowledge of how a car worked, of any. of the workings of a car. You would. tell, well, this is back in like spark. plug days. You explain to them like, oh, one of the cables for your spark plug. got loose. You're only firing on five. cylinders. The six the whole six is not. That's why it's like shaking like that. Like if that if it was anything else, if. you're talking about the economy, if. you're talking about the political. process, that guy would think the other. guy was a but now this guy thinks.

he's a I remember like being like. autoshop class going, there's a lot of. different kinds of intelligence. We've. just done this weird thing where we've. categorized like you have to go to. specific schools, you have to go to the. you got to get a degree. Everybody. wanted to go to Ivy League schools. I. lived in Boston. It was like very. important. Did you get a higher. education? You. >> you go on to make everybody proud. And. they were all miserable. [laughter]. >> Well, my dad said this to me. He was the. only person that when I graduated, I.

said, "I don't think I want to go to. college for this. I don't think that's. what I want to do." like any of the. things I'm looking at when I think about. like having a career in in that thing. I'm not very excited about it. I don't I. don't get like ooh hyped up to go do. this. I was like I really just kind of. want to you know maybe someday but I. would love to have a bunch of kids and. stuff and my dad was like you know a lot. of the people in my office have degrees. and you know they have careers and some. of them are very miserable people. So if.

you don't want to do that he's like you. could always decide to go later. So, I. was like, I'll I kind of like bargained. with everyone. I was like, I'm just. going to give it a year. >> You know, I'll do that, too. >> Yeah. And if it, you know, if I feel. like I want to go to college after a. year of no high school, um, then I'll. go. You know, I could still do it. >> But I ended up having a baby at 20, >> which again was the end of the world. Oh. my god, Rachel, your life is over. You'll never be anything. You'll never. do anything. It's over for you. It's. such a tragedy. It was like treated like.

this horrible thing. And I thought it. was great. And when I had her, the job. that I had did not matter to me anymore. at all. It seemed so stupid. I was like, "Anybody can go." I was a hair stylist. at the time. Anybody can go do haircuts. Someone else can cut Debbie's hair, but. only I can be her mom. I want to do. that. And everybody was telling me, "You. have to go back to work. You have to go. back to work. That's what we do now. Two. weeks after the baby's born, you got to. go back to work. You need the money. You.

need the security. you need the income. And I looked around and thought, this is. insane. Like, who came up with this. system? Because I am going to go drop. her off at 2 weeks old and let some lady. who doesn't know or care about or love. my baby the way that I do, take care of. her all day long. You know, if you. factor in the commute, it's like 9 and. 1/2 hours that I'm away from her. By the. time I get home and feed her and give. her a bath, it'll be bedtime and that'll.

be it. I'll get like maybe two hours. with my baby all day, you know? Um, and. I get to pay half of what I make to this. other random person to raise my child. Who came up with this? This is stupid. And I have to pay taxes, you know, and I. have to have a second vehicle and. insurance and a work wardrobe. And I. just thought, this is the most. inefficient, stupid system. And everyone. around me is like, this is this is good. this is what we all need to do. Even.

like Christian conservative women that. were friends and family members were. like, "Well, you don't want to depend on. a man because then you're going to get. abuse." They they fear-mongered me to. death about staying home with my kids. And at the time, uh this was my high. school boyfriend who I had my first. child with. Um because I was kind of a. libertarian at this stage and both my. parents at this point my parents have. multiple divorces between the two of. them. And I always [laughter] I know I. always heard, "Oh, marriage is just a.

piece of paper. What really matters is. that you love each other." And that sort. of thing. And I'd known this guy since. we were kids. We we'd known each other. forever. We'd been together for a long. time. So, I thought this was great. >> And my goal was, let's get us to the. point where I can stay home and be like. a full-time mom. And he had stuff going. on. It did not work out. He took off. Devastating, horrible, terrible for me. No big fights, no cheating, nothing like. that. Um, you know, he's a private.

person, so I don't want to tell his. business, but he had his own personal. things going on and left. And it was. back to, you know, I had to work and be. a working mom, and I didn't like that. And I still thought that there was. something wrong here, but I hadn't. really like looked into. where do we get this idea that women. must be working. Like my grandma didn't. work. Bless her soul, by the way. She's. going to be turning 100 April 1st. my. grandma who's still with us and she's. probably my ace in the hole and the. reason I kind of turned out normal. despite my chaotic [laughter].

family upbringing cuz she was super. grounded, nice Christian lady, only an. eighth grade education, but she knew how. to do everything. She could go out back. and like pluck a chicken, cook it up for. dinner, can everything in the garden, preserve all the food, and she had more. done by 8 a.m. than most human beings on. Earth. So, I had like grandma as a. pillar to really help me through this. stuff. So shout out grandma. Uh. >> which is work. >> Yeah. >> It's housework. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Which is like really important.

Like it has to get done. >> Yeah. >> And most people think someone else. should do that. I need to be in an. office. >> Yeah. This is for uh wages like low low. paid wagey people to do. I need to be. doing something important. But I always. thought she was really important. She. was super important to me because when. you know my parents were off doing. whatever they were doing, I'd always get. dumped at grandma's. So, I spent a ton. of time with her growing up and she was. full of wisdom and like I said, she knew. how to do everything. Like her practical.

skills were crazy. She can cook. anything. She can clean anything. She. can can and preserve food. She grew up. during the Great Depression. She was. born in 1928. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah. And she's she had been through. some stuff like she had lost her husband. to cancer. She lost her daughter to. kidney disease. Like she had been. through it. So, she had a lot of like. good advice and wisdom. And she'd always. say, "Oh, I wish I was smart like you. I. wish I was smart like you and I could go. to school and stuff like that." But I. thought, "Grandma, you're the only. person that knows what the hell they're. doing. [laughter] You're the only person.

in my world who. >> Well, the grass is always. >> seems to know what they're doing. Yeah. >> The grass is always greener. You know, >> when you're looking at a a woman that's. entering into the workforce who's really. intelligent, you start thinking, "She's. going to have a career.". >> Yeah. >> And she's going to be a CEO someday and. everyone's going to respect her. you. well that person's on pills and suicidal. and. >> can't sleep and. >> well we're going to get into that. We're. going to get into I'm sure like how it's. turned out for women [laughter]. pushing them into the workforce telling.

them they can have it all and how. they're dealing with that. >> But I didn't I didn't deal with it well. when I was at work I felt like I should. be at home and I was missing my kids and. like I was really failing on the home. front. And when I was at home I felt. like I should be giving more to work and. I felt constantly torn. And that's. something I hear from pretty much every. woman I talk to who has kids and a job. >> that it's really tough that you always. feel like. >> you're not able to give enough to each. thing. You just can't spread yourself. that thin all the time. And I think it's. bad advice. I think we give women.

backwards advice. >> I think we tell them spend all your. fertile years, all your youth building a. career, going to school and building a. career. Then by the time you're like 30, 35 and you're you've got all that. established, then you can think about. getting married and having kids. Well, by then you better find somebody quick. and get on it because you got a handful. of years left. >> Yeah. >> You know, and you might need IVF and all. these other things. And a lot of women. struggle. And it's one of the it's.

actually nobody wants to talk about. this. This is the conversation no one's. ready for. Women's access to higher. education is the number one correlate. around the world, regardless of. economics, race, culture, status, anything to falling birth rates. >> Wow. >> So, it turns out that when you push. young women that it's education, career, education, career, because why? Why do. we tell them that? Otherwise, you're at. the mercy of a man and he'll abuse you. He'll take advantage. He knows that you.

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and you'll get three AG1 travel packs, vitamin D3 plus K2, and other gifts free. in your welcome kit with your first. subscription. That's. drinkagg.com/roganogen. Isn't there also a practical. consideration for a lot of people? Because the cost of living is very. different now than it was like say in. the 1950s or the 1960s. It's very. difficult for a lot of people to get by. on one income. >> Yes, it is. But have you ever asked why. that is? >> Uh I I have, but I'd love for you.

[laughter] to talk about it. >> So, prior to the 1970s, we had 5% of. mothers with school age kids working. outside the home. And for all of human. history, even during the industrial. revolution, you know, 17, 18, 1900s, like you said, in the 40s and 50s, you. could be a a janitor and support a. family and have four kids on one income. And something shifted in the 1970s, and. it's never shifted back. So, it can't be. like how the stock market's doing. It.

can't really be like all these other. independent economic factors that have. shifted and changed and been so. different over the course of the last 50. years. The one big thing that we changed. is we pushed women into college and into. the workforce. And by the 1980s, they. were on par with men in work force. workforce participation. So in the span. of about 20 years, we almost doubled the. labor force by pushing all the women in. And men's wages have never recovered. So.

now you are stuck in a two-income trap. where even women who want to stay home. and even dads who would love to have. their wife home with their kids, it's. really tough. >> So what why did women entering the. workforce keep men's wages stable or. keep them from going up along with the. in with the inflation? >> It really fundamentally changed the. economy. I have a friend named Aaron. Clary who wrote a book about the about. this. um it's an analysis of what he. calls a female-based economy where it's.

more consumer-driven. Uh women are like. responsible for 80% of consumer. spending. And now that they're all. educated and in the job market, we have. a lot more of things like HR. departments, uh, psychology, sociology, like um, the economy shifted away from. being like manufacturing and production. and more maledominated things to we have. all these women coming out of university. and you know they what do they get. degrees in? I think 80% of psychology. degrees are earned by women. And then. despite all our efforts to push women.

into STEM, they're still like maybe 20%. of STEM degrees. So we have all these. very educated women. And we have a lot. of kind of fluffy jobs like office jobs, HR jobs, social media managers. Uh and. mostly women do a lot of the same things. they used to do in the home. So they're. nurses, they're early childhood. educators, they're retail workers, they're cooks, they're um they're. housekeepers. They're doing a lot of the. stuff they used to do, which uh the.

Marxist feminists called unpaid labor, right? This is the myth of women's. unpaid labor. So instead of cleaning. your own house, educating your own. children, cooking meals for your family, maybe for your your parents or. grandparents who can't cook for. themselves, all the things we used to do. for our own family, clerical work, bookkeeping for your husband's business, things like that, we're doing those. things for corporations. So that and and this was kind of by. design. Uh, a lot of the book is about. the fact that there were people who.

pushed feminism and it wasn't because. women were oppressed and they cared. about the position of women necessarily. It's because the same people who pushed, you know, the 19th amendment and pushed. progressivism and feminism were the same. people who drafted the Federal Reserve. legislation, came up with the income. tax, came up with the compulsory. education system. And especially on the. Marxist side, they they pushed feminism. because they said if we can push mothers. and women into the workforce and we.

double the workforce, workers of the. world unite. You know what I'm saying? So it's like we have this huge. workforce. And through the university. systems, we can kind of propagandize the. young women to be socialists and to be. Marxists because they kind of tend that. way anyway. The way that women's brains. work is very like communitarian for a. reason. We're moms, you know, so it's. very easy to radicalize and this isn't. my opinion. Like I go over in the book. how you can just read the writings of. these people and they tell you August.

Babel, Alexander Colintai, Margaret. Fuller, like all these early 1800s. writers were saying we need to get women. away from the home and away from being. mothers and push them into the workplace. because then we can politicize them. we. can motivate them into becoming. revolutionaries. and that's how we'll get the numbers to. make this work. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So now instead of staying home. with your kids and doing all these. things for your family, for your. community, you're doing them for a.

corporation and you're paying income. tax, you're paying all the other taxes. associated with having to work outside. the home, gas tax because you're driving. back and forth to work, um payroll. taxes, all that kind of stuff. and you. are away from your kids all day. Where. do they go? They go to public schools. where the public school system then can. dictate to them what the values should. be uh how you know the what the world. view should be instead of the parents.

>> Yeah. It just makes you wonder like. there there's all these giant shifts in. culture and it makes you wonder what. what would we look like if that had. never taken place. >> Well, that's so you asked like how why. did I start writing about this? That's. why cuz I had like an aha moment where I. realized feminism is far and away like. it's not even close. It's the biggest. social revolution in all of human. history and it happened in one century.

We took the whole social order that was. in every culture around the world for. all of the rest of time that's recorded. and we flipped it upside down and. completely changed it in one century. Everything about your life is different. now because of feminism in ways that you. don't even think about. you know, the. way that you act in the workplace, the. the way that legislation works, the way. that school systems work. Like, every. single thing about life has changed as a.

downstream result of feminism and. pushing this model of women's equality, which it's really not. It's really not. about equality. And all you have to do. is read all the first everybody thinks. first wave was just, oh, they just. wanted rights. They just wanted a few. rights. That was good. you know, and the. average person would say, "Yeah, I think. that that was good." But that's because. they don't know the real history. And. the reason they don't know the real. history is because when they invented. gender studies and women's studies, which were created by the Ford.

Foundation with some help from the. Rockefellers and the Carnegies, uh, in. the late60s, they literally rewrote the history of. how women's suffrage happened. So. there's a professor named Joseph Miller. who did an examination of 12 the main 12. textbooks that are most commonly used in. all the western universities to teach. women's history. And he's not even like. a right-winger. He's like a liberal. college professor. But when he looked. and examined those 12 textbooks and.

compared them to the actual writings, uh, you know, newspaper articles, writings of feminists themselves, public. debates held between suffragists and. anti-suffragists, all of the writings of. anti-suffragist groups, which far. outnumbered pro-suffragist groups, he. found that they left out huge chunks of. what really happened or intentionally. misrepresented what actually happened on. purpose to kind of sell feminism as. something different than what it what it. really was.

>> So what did they leave out? >> So the most important thing they left. out was that women did not want women's. liberation. They were Yes. Everybody. assumes and believes that it was a. grassroots thing that women kind of. looked around in the 19th century and. they went, you know, we're oppressed. We. don't have any rights. I wish I could. work. I wish I could get away from my. bastard husband who drinks me drinks and. beats me. I need I need rights. I need a. bank account. I need credit cards. I.

want to go to university. And and they. marched and they picketed until they had. voting rights and and equality in the. workplace. That's the story everyone's. heard. And it's not correct at all. It's. it's in in fact, [clears throat] it's. the opposite. So, this is hilarious. When the So, we had this big fight in. the late 1800s between pro-suffrage. groups and anti-suffrage groups. Most. women in the United States and England, if they were a member of either, they. far outnumbered by joining the.

anti-suffrage groups. They were very. much against it. It was only a small. minority of women who were pro-suffrage. And these groups would debate publicly. They would write pamphlets. They would. write tracks. So, we have a really good. written historical record of what. actually happened. And women didn't want it. They thought. they thought they had a lot of great. things going on already that were going. to get ruined by suffrage. For example, here's some let's do a little myth. busting. People have this idea that.

prior to the 19th amendment, women were. denied an education. Completely untrue. Some of the first universities in the. United States were exclusively female. universities and seminaries and. secondary schools. more women actually. probably had the opportunity to go than. men because men always had to work in. the fields in the mines, go to war, build the infrastructure of the nation, work on railroads, you know. Um, so. women were seen as like, well, you're. going to be teaching the kids, so you. should probably do a little extra.

education, whereas Jimmy and Billy, they. need to work the farm with dad, >> you know. So, there was never any law. that prohibited women from higher. education. What happens, what feminists. do, they rely on framing. So, they'll. say because there weren't co-ed. universities, because it was women's. universities and then men had separate. ones, it was mostly um segregated. They'll say women didn't have equal. access to education. >> Were the better schools men schools?

>> No. In fact, I'd say so. I guess you. could say some there were a handful of. Ivy League institutions that didn't let. women into certain programs. Um, but it. was mostly like medical stuff, things. like that. And that had already changed. before the passage of the 19th. amendment. Women were already being led. into Ivy League education, being allowed. to do biology and and become doctors. Many of the women in my book who were. first wave suffragists had degrees, had. educations. Um, the other one is like.

women weren't allowed to like leave the. house. They weren't allowed to, you. know, sex out of wedlock or children out. of wedlock. Oh my gosh, it was so. terrible. But most of the women in my. book who were traveling the world. promoting women's suffrage had children. out of wedlock, had extrammarital. affairs or multiple sex partners or were. even lesbians, >> open lesbians touring the world making. money, giving speeches, writing. pamphlets and tracks, raising money for. the suffrage movement. Nobody put them.

in jail. Nobody whipped them. Was there. some stigma? Sure. But I don't think. that you can argue that stigma against. those sort of things equates to. oppression of women by the patriarchy. It's always framed that way, but that's. not true. >> So what year did they pass the 19th. amendment? And the 19th amendment is. what gave women that gave women the. right to vote, right? >> So there were women that said, "I don't. want the right to vote.". >> Yes. In fact, when they. >> Why Why wouldn't you just want the right.

to vote? Even keeping a traditional. household, like the right to have a say. if it's about the world, it's about the. United States. It's about our laws and. how we're going to govern. >> Yeah. So, I'll tell you what their. reasoning was. They said, um, we're. going to lose a lot of the protection. and provision that we currently enjoy. So, for example, in the state of New. York in the 1800s, as a woman entering a. marriage, if you had money, if you had. an inheritance that came with you when. you got married, if your husband cheated. on you or left or divorced you, um you.

he couldn't take any of that. Your. inheritance was protected from, you. know, your husband leaving and taking. it. Um and only men could be held. responsible for debt. And there was. something called breadwinner laws that. the courts, it was like a systemic law. It wasn't like one specific law. It was. like a whole legal framework that said, "Look, women have to raise kids and be. pregnant and have babies. So, we have to. hold men responsible for financially.

taking care of women and children. So, women couldn't be thrown into a debtor's. prison. They couldn't be held legally. liable for repaying a loan or anything. like that. They could own property. People don't believe that either. People. believe women couldn't own anything. And. the reason they say that is because once. you were married, you were considered. one legal entity. But even then, a. married man in the state of New York in. 1800 couldn't sell a property that was. owned after he was married without his. wife's written consent. And the court.

had to be assured that she was not being. like coerced into it. So there were. already like the anti-suffragists. themselves argued we kind of have. everything we want. You know we we have. like most of the benefits of this you. know they didn't call it a patriarchy. but what we would call a patriarchy. They said we're the primary. beneficiaries of this system. >> We have a lot of protections and if you. make us equal we're going to lose those. Like what if we get drafted? What if we. have to go do jury duty and hear like.

the gruesome details of like murders and. rapes and things like that? It's going. to pit the family against each other. >> just with the right to vote. >> Yeah, just with the right to vote. because. >> So, >> why couldn't you keep all those things. and just be able to participate? >> Well, unfortunately, they were right. So, one really good example is the. women's temperance movement. You guys. remember prohibition? That was primarily. women who pushed for prohibition. It was. the women's temperance union. It was. like a Christian uh movement to ban.

alcohol. and women didn't have the right. to vote, but they got prohibition. passed, which was huge. Like, it was one. of those things that nobody thought was. even going to happen. And and it. happened largely because of their. political motivation. And the reason. that it worked is because they could go. to Congress or they could go to the. Senate and say, "We're not a political. voting block. We have a moral high. ground from which to ask for these. things because you can't buy our vote. you can't, you know, um, like, uh, offer us things and kind of.

seduce us into voting for you based on. promising us things that we want. And. they didn't want to lose that because. they felt like they had a lot of. influence. And the things they predicted. would happen, they, the anti-suffragists. said, you're going to see a lot of. divorce. you're going to see broken up. families because it's going to pit. husband and wife against each other just. like it did with my parents where you've. got, you know, mom wants to vote for the. Democrat, dad wants to vote for the. Republican or vice versa. Now they're. fighting about it. They want to split. They have separate worldviews. Um, and.

political interests will be used to. drive a wedge between men and women and. break up families and then we're all. going to be a bunch of single moms. We're all going to have to work. Like. they they literally predicted this. stuff. It's in one whole chapter of the. book is dedicated to their arguments. >> How do they have such amazing foresight? I mean, I just would ignorantly I would. think, okay, well, I think women should. have the right to vote. They're human. beings. They live here. There's these. are laws that are being go like why. would that. >> Well, I think uh one of the problems we.

have when we look back at history is the. fallacy of presentism. We're looking at. it through like our eyes now with the. with all of the presuppositions that we. have about the world kind of baked in. And at this time, so in 1920, people. don't realize that men had only. universally gotten the right to vote. very shortly before women got it. So in. the UK, uh, most men couldn't vote until. about 10 years before women got the. vote. In the UK, there was all kinds of. restrictions on voting in the United. States for men. You may have to pay a.

poll tax. You might have to take um a. test like a a literacy test or a. political literacy test. There might be. a religious requirement of some kind. There might be a racial requirement of. some kind. There could be um all. different kinds of restrictions on men. voting. You might have to be a property. owner. You might have to be a certain. age. So, there was a lot of men. It. wasn't like all men could always vote. and no women could ever vote. >> And at the time of trying to pass.

suffrage, there were already a few. states in the west that had granted. women suffrage like Utah and Wyoming. And in Utah is a fun case because it was. mostly settled by Mormons at the time. and they were mostly polygamists and. there was this big fight between the. feds and the state of Utah because the. feds did not they were like this. polygamy thing is getting really popular. out there and it's going to cause us. some problems. And uh they want to give. women the right to vote and the Mormons. thought if we give women the right to. vote we can keep polygamy because.

they're going to vote for it because. it's beneficial to them in whatever ways. that the LDS church thought it was. The. feds were betting on the fact that nah, I think if we give women the right to. vote, they're going to say no more of. this polygamy, so let them have it. Just. let them have it. Well, the feds lost. the bet. And the Mormon wives kept. voting for the polygamy stuff. The feds. didn't like it. So, what they did, there. was also a little bit of stuff going on. with the finances of the LDS church that. was a little sus. They passed an. amendment or yeah, a law through.

Congress in uh 1878, I think. I could be. wrong on the date to take away women's. suffrage. They took the vote back from. them. They said, "No more voting for. you. Can't do that. >> because you're voting for polygamy.". >> Yeah. And so women in Utah had suffrage. granted and then had it removed for 50. years. It it was from I think it was. about 1870 to 1920 that they didn't have. the right to vote. And the. anti-suffragists, this was a big deal.

So pro-suffrage women would go to Utah. and anti-suffrage women would go to Utah. and they'd talk to the women and try to. because everyone's trying to get them on. their side. And they kind of found that. like women really didn't want to be. involved in politics. They felt like we. have so much going on at home. They were. the community organizers. We don't have. this anymore by the way. I'm taking care. of my grandparents. I'm taking care of. my uncle who, you know, has a disease. and is infirmed. I've got seven kids and. so does my cousin and so does my sister. And we all raise them kind of together.

We're very busy. We're doing all the. church stuff. We're teaching the kids. together. Politics is just like you have. to know so much about it and you have to. be so informed and we just we don't have. time and we we really don't have. interest. Most of them were really. indifferent. But more were either. indifferent or against it than we're for. it by such a margin. So this is the. test. They let them vote on whether they. wanted the vote in a huge the biggest. referendum was in Massachusetts. So they let women vote on whether they.

wanted the vote in a referendum. Of the. women that showed up, not a lot of them. showed up. It was a fairly smallish. number, but of the thousands that showed. up to vote, only 4% wanted suffrage on. the ballot. >> That's crazy. >> Only 4%. So guess what Elizabeth Katie. Stanton and Susan B. Anthony did after. that? All the pro-suffrage leaders, they. banned women from voting on whether they. wanted to vote. >> [laughter]. >> Isn't that crazy?

>> How did Susie be Susan B. Anthony get. involved in all this? Because she was. one of those people that was like, what. was she on the $2 bill or something? Yeah. And she was one of those people. that always held up as this like amazing. woman. And then I started listening to. your book and I was like, wait, what? >> Yeah. A lot of these women like her and. and Elizabeth Katie Stanton were kind of. the two big figure heads in America. There were a lot of other important. people, but those are the two most. people have heard of. They're the ones. who wrote the history of women's. suffrage, which is this giant like.

multi-olume history that they wrote. Now, they wrote it from a very biased. perspective to make themselves the rock. stars of this movement. They wanted to. be remembered in the history books as. being these awesome badass kind of. revolutionary strong independent women. They in fact came up with the strong. independent women narrative um that. women were victims who needed to be. unvictimized. They had other suffragists. that they were trying to cut out of the. history when they were putting together. this history of women's suffrage. Lucy.

Stone was one that said, "Wait a minute. You guys are leaving out huge chunks of. important information like the fact that. our main support comes from men, progressive men and socialist men and. polygamist men. Like, why are you guys. leaving this out? If you do, like. everyone's going to know you just didn't. mention any of that." Because at the. time it was like super well known. They. had a lot of PR problems in the suffrage. movement because it was known as.

something that prostitutes, socialists, Marxists, polygamists, and revolutionaries were into. And she. was like, you can't leave that out. It's. like a main point. Maybe you don't like. how it portrays us, but you got to. include it. So they like reluctantly did. include some of that, but they were. going to try to leave it out altogether. and frame it as we know it now as a. fight of women against men. This fight. of oppressed women against the. oppressive patriarchy that was. systemically trying to keep a boot on.

women's necks. >> and even their own colleagues were like. that ain't how it happened. >> It's crazy that progressive men were a. problem even back then. >> These the simp problem is. >> rich ass men have always been a problem. They're a giant problem. >> Mhm. >> And that's one thing that feminism does. It gives them a way to be like I always. call them like vampire familiars. >> Yes. >> Like they never really get to be a. vampire, but they do all the deeds for. the vampire so the vampire loves them.

and they they hang around the vampire. and they you know. >> it's the sneaky mating strategy. >> Yes. Yes. What is that? Cuttlefish. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuttlefish do that. like sneaky. ass cuttlefish pretend they're. female so they can hang around the. females. >> Yep. And that's exactly what was. happening. There were other motivations. too like uh Victoria Woodhull was a. famous feminist. She was the first one. to have like a big newspaper. She was. known as Mrs. Satan because she was into. free love. She wanted to make. prostitution legal. She said that.

marriage was just a legal form of. prostitution. She saw it to be no. different than regular old. run-of-the-mill prostitution. She was. like really radical. She was also a scam. artist. Like the thing I found when I. was looking into the histories of all. these women, they were into the occult. or very anti-Christian because they saw. it as patriarchal and oppressive. They. were usually con artists or scammers. So. spiritualism and snake oil salesman was. like really big and popular at the time. This lady sold fake cancer cures. She.

was wanted in like four different states. for selling fake cancer cures to dying. people and scamming them out of their. money. And by pushing suffrage, she got. a lot of people to fund her and give her. money. And one of them was Cornelius. Vanderbilt. And she would pretend to be able to. contact the dead. She would say she. could contact like ancient Greeks and. and all these spirits, like the spirit. of Abraham Lincoln was coming to her in. dreams and stuff. I don't think. Cornelius believed that at all. But what. he did know about her was that she did.

run a prostitution ring and all her. friends were hookers who worked the Wall. Street gentleman. And so she basically. had a spy network of prostitutes who. would give her insider trading. information. He used that to game the stock market on. the first Black Friday. I think it was. like 1889. for today's equivalent of $26 million. according to the New York Times. And. when the New York Times interviewed him. and said, "How did you do how did you.

come out 26 million, at the time it was. 1.3, but today's money 26 million. How. did you pull this off when everybody. else has just lost their ass?" And he. said, "Do as I do, consult the spirits.". So he said that this woman had contacted. the dead and given him the tip that way, but it was really just she had a. prostitution ring. So these were the. [laughter] these were the people. involved, okay? And this is what they. were really doing. But when gender.

studies departments got a hold of this. history, they're not going to tell you. any of this. Their job was to become the. PR branch in the universities to sell. Marxism and feminism to young women to. revolutionize and radicalize. And they. had help doing that from the CIA. >> Yeah. at the same time because we were. in the midst of a cold war. And. I'm not saying communism is good. I'm. definitely not. But according to the CIA. at the time, they were trying to push. Western liberalism as being superior to.

communism in Russia and the Eastern. block. So they thought feminism was good. for that purpose. So they helped fund. the beginning of Miz Magazine. Um they. granted scholarships. They made up like. fake scholarships, one of which was. given to Gloria Steinum, you know, and. then they had her employed for years um. going around the world pushing feminism. So, it was it was never that the average. woman was like, I want to vote. I want. to listen to political debates. I want.

to learn about economics and foreign. policy. I'm really concerned about these. things and I want to know and I want to. vote. women were concerned about things. like having clean water, drinking water, clean milk, safe parks, um you know, less crime, all those sort of things. And one of the other things they. predicted would happen, they said, if. you give women the vote and you. politicize us like this, it's all going. to become it's not going to be about the. welfare of our children and communities. anymore. It's going to be about things.

like abortion and birth control. What. are the only women's issues that you. ever hear about anymore in politics? The. right to abortion and things like access. to birth control, access to abortion. It's like the only thing you hear now. Where are all the women even on the. right like fighting for the things they. were fighting for 150 years ago? Nowhere. It's all about, you know, uh. like even Trump Trump frustrates me on. this because he wants he's like, "We got. to have more programs to get all the.

moms back to work." And I'm like, why? Why do you want to do that? Why do you. want to push all the moms back to work? That's a terrible idea. >> Why do you think he's saying that? >> He's a liberal and he's a feminist. He. loves hiring women. It's probably his. biggest Achilles heel if he would stop. hiring women and get rid of a lot of his. problems. [laughter] But he loves hiring. women and he's very pro-working woman. He like his first wife, one of the. things he loved about her was she was. very like successful in business and and. things like that. Ivanka, same thing.

And yes, they have kids, but they have. nannies and they have all the money in. the world to like support them while. they're off doing this sort of thing. But what happens to the average woman? The promise of feminism looks something. like you're going to have the corner. off. It looks like sex in the city. You're going to have the corner office. and you're going to be in Paris over. brunch having champagne and, you know, signing the ink on the next deal and. you're going to be doing all this. exciting boss babe stuff. And then you. can also have a kid and you know the.

nanny will take care of the kid while. you're doing all this important stuff at. work and it's just going to be amazing. The average woman like me ends up. working a basic like I'm a retail. manager. I'm a waitress, you know, um. I'm a school teacher. I work a nursing. sh a 12-hour nursing shift four nights a. week and I have to come home and take. care of my kids and my family and I feel. like I can't do it all. It's too much. So, a lot of women just aren't even. having kids anymore. I don't I'm sure. you've looked at birth rates.

>> Yeah. It's kind of weird. It's weird. that no one's talking about it. And. there's there was always this narrative. about overpopulation. Yes. >> And it's only been over the last decade. or so that people start talking about. population collapse. >> and the catastrophic impacts of that. particularly on some foreign countries. like South Korea, Japan. They do not. have a replacement rate, >> right? They're going to be there won't. be a South Korea in the near future if. something radical doesn't happen over. there. But this is uh there's a whole. another chapter in the book dedicated to.

this whole thing and where this came. from. The Malthusian population agenda. Margaret Sanger gave me nightmares. writing the chapter about her. I. literally had nightmares about her. because she was so evil. Like it's hard. to Everybody's heard what she said about. black people by now. Most people have. heard that. Oh, that they're the lowest. of the low and we just need to get rid. of them. That it would be best for. humanity if we could just convince all. of the lower races to just stop. breeding. So, they Planned Parenthood on. purpose focused on African-American and.

indigenous communities and poor whites, too. But, um, she was part of the. Rockefeller Bureau for Social Hygiene. It was a eugenics program and Planned. Parenthood was a eugenics program. And. she was so antiatalist. You can find. clips of her on the internet now where. they would interview her on the radio. and she'd say, "If it were up to me, nobody would ever have babies anymore. We just would stop having them because. life is terrible and life is hard and.

it's suffering and bringing children in. the world is a terrible thing. Especially, she said the most, this is a. famous quote of hers, the most uh kind. thing a large family can do to one of. its young members is to kill it.". And her whole her whole shtick was sold. on lies. She told lies about her mother. She said that her mother died from. overbreeding, that she had so many. children it just it just destroyed her. body and she died. Not true. Her mom had. tuberculosis.

and died from tuberculosis like half of. everyone back then. So she lied about. that. She told a fake story about a. woman named Satie Saxs who didn't know. how she kept getting pregnant and the. doctor refused to tell her because the. bad male doctors just wanted the women. to just keep having babies so they. refused to tell them how that worked. Which I went and asked my grandma. I'm. like grandma you were around like in. this exact time period. Did you and your. mom like not know how babies were made? She was like what are you talking about? Of course we knew that. In fact, she. said after my sister was born her her.

younger sister was the fourth kid in the. family. The [snorts] doctor told my. parents like you guys need to be careful. like time things and like try because. it's you know she had some health. problems and he's like another baby. might be risky so if you want to avoid. that here's how you avoid that. She's. like of course we knew this idea. >> have known that since the beginning of. time. >> Of course they have. But she wrote a. whole book that purported to have. thousands of letters from women around. the world writing to Margaret Sanger.

saying, "I'm only 23 and I'm on my 14th. baby." I'm not kidding. She would she. the numbers were insane. She was. alleging that there were 23 year olds. who were on like their 11th pregnancy. and dying from uh over birth and that. they just didn't know how to stop it. And so she was like, "This is why we. need abortion clinics. is for this reason. Now, I looked into. this because there's something called. the Margaret Sanger Papers Project. They. have everything she's ever done. If she.

wiped her mouth on a napkin, they've got. that in the archives. They have. everything. Do you think out of the. thousands of letters she said that she. got from women saying, "I just can't. stop having all these babies and it's. killing me and I'm miserable." How many. do you think are preserved in the. Margaret Sanger Papers Project? >> How many? Zero. >> Three. >> Three. three out of thousands. And I. emailed them directly and I asked, "Seems weird. You guys have like. literally letters that she wrote to her.

friends. You have like all this. documentation on everything she ever. did. Certainly, if she was getting. thousands of letters, you've got more. than three." And they said, "Well, we. think it was mostly lost to time or she. sent them to abortion doctors to. encourage them to keep going because, you know, people didn't like abortion. doctors." We think she sent it to a lot. of abortion doctors to like, you know, give them a pep talk and uh yeah, we. just don't really know. It's just lost. to time. >> So, you think she made a lot of it? >> Oh, yes. Yes. Especially because if you.

read the book, nobody reads this crap, you know, except me. I'm crazy. Nobody. else wants to read all of their horrible. writing. But in the book, if you're. reading these letters, they sound. literally like they're all written by. the same person. >> So, it's extremely dubious at best. I would love if hey if the Margaret. Sanger Papers project folks want to come. and tell me like where all these are or. if there's any proof of this I would. love to see it because I looked for two. and a half years and couldn't find. anything. In fact, the most popular uh.

Sanger biographer in the world who like. knows everything about her admits that. she lied about tons of stuff. She's. like, "Oh, she lied about the Satie. Sachs story. She lied about why her. mother really died. And she probably. lied about, you know, those other. stories and letters, too. But she believed it was for a noble. cause. She thought what she was doing. was good. And the other big secret is. she was getting a lot of money. She was. getting paid by the Rockefeller. Foundation and promoted by people like. HG Wells, who she was also having an.

affair with. They're all a bunch of. creepers, Joe. I'm telling you, she was. she [laughter] was. >> sound like it. She sound like an insane. person in the book. >> Yeah. She was married and had three. kids. She left her kids in like hippie. bohemian communities. One of them died. from neglect in one of these. communities. Didn't care about her kids at all. In. fact, one of her sons grew up and said, "My sister would not be dead if my. mother gave any shits about us. whatsoever." But she didn't. She was. anywhere except where we were. Any.

excuse to leave. She let her ex-husband. take the wrap for her distributing. illegal um illegal stuff about like. abortion and birth control that the. Comtock laws didn't allow that back. then. So she was wanted in court and was. going to be put in jail for distributing. that stuff. She let her husband take the. fall for it while she went to England. and had affairs with people like HG. Wells and Havlock Ellis and they were. all uh bisexual and they were all a. cultist and doing all this crazy stuff.

But people HG Wells called her the most. incredible woman ever to live and said. that she was going to have more impact. on the future of humanity than any other. person. >> This episode is brought to you by Zip. Recruiter. When you want to train your. dog, you don't want just any rando off. the streets who likes animals. You want. someone with the skills to get your pet. where you want them to be. Someone who. can help you help them. So, why wouldn't. you do the same when it comes to hiring. for your business? Skill-based hiring is.

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the idea of millions of abortions a. year. >> HG Wells, the War of the Worlds guy, was. a eugenicist. >> Yep. >> You should have Jay Dy on to tell you. about HG Wells some I brought you. >> I don't want to know. I I love the War. of the Worlds. >> He He wrote some great fiction, but he. was a diehard Malthusian. These people. really believed it was actually a very. popular thing that we're talking like. right after Darwinism. We're talking. about just before the Nazis. We're. talking about the Kaiser Wilhelm. Foundation. It was very popular position.

to be a in favor of social hygiene as. they called it, which was, you know, anybody with birth defects shouldn't be. able to reproduce. Anybody of the lower. races or inferior mentally um any of. those kind of people shouldn't reproduce. because we want, you know, a cleaner, better human race going forward. >> Yeah. So, feminism was instrumental in. that. That's actually where the birth. control pill came from as well. Margaret. Sanger, the Rockefeller Foundation, the. Kaiser Wilhelm Foundation, and a lot of.

Nazi scientists are the ones who started. synthesizing human hormones to make. birth control pills. And their the way. they sold that was they said, "Look, I. we know abortion is very unpopular. People don't like it. It's a very. terrible thing that we have to do. We. have to do it because we don't want all. these babies. But, you know, if you let us have the. birth control pill and you make it like. widely available and socially. acceptable, abortion will be a thing of. the past. Nobody will need one ever. again. That's how it was marketed and.

sold to the world. And it sounds right. It sounds reasonable. H maybe it's. better. Maybe it's better just to. prevent all the pregnancies and then we. don't have to worry about abortions. But. here we are in 2026. You can get. abortion or um you can get birth control. pills for $4 at Walmart. You can go down. to your local health department in your. county and get them for free if you're. under a certain income status. And we. still have well at least before they. overturned Roie Wade, we still had about. a million abortions a year in this.

country even with the shot and the pill. and all these types of birth control and. more e education than we've ever had. That was the other thing when I was in. school, right? more sex head, more sex. head, and then no more teen pregnancies. It hasn't that hasn't panned out. whatsoever. It turns out that if you. take all the stigma away from sexual. activity, you tell everybody premarital. sex is actually good. You got to you got. to get in there and figure out how. things work before you get married. You. don't want to just get married. That's. ew. That's weird. Uh we still have a.

million abortions a year. We still have. uh Plan B pills and things like this. Uh. there's been more babies aborted in the. last century than all the men that have. been killed in all the wars of the 20th. century. Like far and away. >> Yeah. It's crazy. So, >> um the. the glorious Dynam CIA thing is nuts. >> Yeah, >> that's nuts. Yeah, >> because the real tinfoil hat, people.

want to think that the CIA has been. involved in every single social aspect, including like the rock and roll. movement of the 1960s. And there seems. to be some evidence in that. >> And and and when you see like how far. the tentacles actually go and then you. see it like in feminism, you go, "Wait, what? What was she was?". >> Yeah. >> So explain. So, >> Gloria Steinham was recruited out of. Smith College in the 50s as all women's. college. Um, she already had some pretty.

like left progressive kind of feminist. uh leanings. And this is generally how. this works. If you want to know how the. left has taken over academia, I have a. whole paper about this on my Substack. How NOS's and universities have just. swung completely left and they have just. captured the university systems. They do. it this way. So they recruit her out of. Smith College. You know, she's writing. papers about women's rights and and. feminism and stuff like that. And they. go, "She's pretty good at this." So they.

approach her and they say, "We're. willing to offer you something called. the Chester Bulls Fellowship." And she. goes, "What's that?" And they're like, "Well, it doesn't really exist. We made. it up for you because what we're going. to do is we're going to give you this. fellowship. We're going to send you to. India. We're going to send you to. Europe. We're going to have you tour the. whole United States. Do a media tour. Start a magazine to promote women's. rights. the things that you believe in. So, it's it's a little more sneaky than. everybody sitting in a dark back room. and like plotting some evil plan to like.

uh make America into a feminist hell. hole. It was more like we're trying to. promote liberal democracy around the. world because it's part of the Cold War. You're really good at this feminism. stuff. Um, and if we can get a lot of. women voting, and if we can get them. into universities and mobilize them as a. political uh group, just similar to what. they did with black people, convince. blacks that you're all oppressed, you're. all victims, um, and and radicalize them. and make them permanent Democrat voters.

Same thing that they did with feminism. So, they sent her to India where she. worked for the Ford Foundation. Again, the same people who created gender. studies. um learned a lot of interesting. things over there in India. Not sure. what's going on in there. I said in my. book it's like a hotbed of like. theosophy and like crazy like the Daly. Lama and there's a lot of weird stuff. going on in India. I don't know why they. send everybody there and then when they. leave India they go and promote this. weird stuff. It's what they do. So they.

sent her to like Eastern Europe to a. youth festival where she promoted. feminism. And this is at the time where. the Eastern block is still communist and. it's hard to get in there. But as a. woman, this is something uh. traditionally they always do with women. It's very easy to sneak female spies or. propagandists in rather than men because. they're less suspicious. >> Mhm. >> You know, it's like, oh, she just wants. to promote education for women. And. they're like, fine, she can come, I. guess, whatever. Um, so she's promoting. feminism there. Then she comes here. She's undercover at the Playboy Mansion.

Weirdly. >> undercover. >> Yeah. She like people didn't know she. was CIA at this point. She was like a. Playboy bunny for a little while. >> What? >> Yeah. She was at the Hugh Hefner mansion. and. >> undercover as a Playboy Bunny. >> Yeah. >> That's hilarious. >> Yeah. To promote. She was kind of hot. for like back in the day in the 70s, late60s, she was kind of hot. Well, compared to the other feminists we had. to choose from. Who else did we have? Betty Fredan. >> I don't know if is there any photos of. Gloria Steinum at the mansion? Yeah,

there's a picture of her in the bunny. costume. >> Oh, we got to see that. >> Yeah, maybe Jamie can pull it up. >> Well, I'm trying this video, too. I'm. trying to see which is better. >> Yeah. So, um and that was to promote the. sexual liberation stuff, right? Hey, women can. >> for the CIA. >> Yeah, >> well, yeah, it doesn't say for the CIA. here, but. >> Undercover Playboy Bunny. It's an HBO. original. >> Wow. There's a documentary on it. That's.

correct. I wonder how they frame it. >> This uh says it's for going about. [clears throat]. >> exploiting women and low wages. And. >> see, let me see if the photos of her. down there. >> where. >> below right where it says images. Click. on one of those where it's her. >> Yeah, she's pretty. >> Yeah, good enough. >> Yeah, that's her. >> That's on her. >> Christy Ali? >> Yeah. >> Oh, is that Christy Ali playing her? >> Must be. >> Oh, yeah. She played her. Glor. And that. was in. >> for What year was that? 85. Wow,

that's crazy. >> She did come out in her memoirs and talk. about it. >> Interesting. >> And she also talked about. >> Did she talk about that she was working. for the CIA? >> Yes. So, she started Miz Magazine with. CIA funding. She was working with like. Clay Felker and a couple of other. >> Is that her? >> No, that's not her either. She was okay. I mean, it was nothing thrilling, but it. was it was good enough to to get her in. there. And like I said, her and Betty. Friedan had like this rivalry, this. vicious rivalry in the press because. Fredan was a Marxist. It's all there's. always been this battle between like the.

the liberal capitalist type of feminist. and the Marxist type of feminist. >> And Betty Friedan was not attractive. She was very frumpy. She was older. Um. and the press loved Steinum because she. was like stylish and cool. She had like. highlights in her hair and she was kind. of a hippie. Um so she got all the press. and she started Miz Magazine. um which. there's a whole bunch on that in my book. as well. But yeah, it was like it was. part of the Cold War. It was part of. pushing like the liberal democracy stuff.

to contrast it against like the. communist Eastern block at the time. >> And it was very useful. There's. extensive writing from so many people in. this movement about how, hey, if you can. get women, young women into. universities. They're very easy to. propagandize. They're very easy to. program with whatever worldview you want. to give them. And if you want to make. them into revolutionaries, they make. excellent revolutionaries. This is why. right now you see women in Minnesota and.

Portland and LA going up to ICE agents. and getting in their face and calling. them names and oh you got a small dick. little man. You think you're tough. If you're wondering why why is it women. why are women trying to like fight ICE. agents in the streets? It's because we. send them all to college. They get. indoctrinated with this Marxist feminist. worldview that masculinity is toxic and. bad. that men are inherently violent and. oppressive and women are inherently like.

mother nature, earth types who bring. goodness and and fairness into the. world, make sure everyone has enough to. eat. This is the like false dialectic. that everyone gets taught. So they see. what what these women see when they see. ICE arresting, even if it's a a sex. criminal who has warrants, they don't. care. They see him as a sweet innocent. victim of the evil white patriarchy that. these are fascist Nazis coming to arrest. the beautiful baby immigrants who are.

helpless and need protection from mommy. >> So they weaponized that. >> Did you see the there's a video of this. guy um going up to people to try to get. um people that ICE has deported brought. back into the country. Have you seen. this video? No. Is it? Let me send it to. you, James, because it's it's quite. funny because uh he's explaining how one. of them uh the one he wants to get back. in the country has committed five. murders, but he thinks he needs a second. chance, and they're 100% agreeing with. him. It's like it's one of the funniest.

things. It's like you you [laughter]. just you see how kooky people. are with this stuff that it it's not. like, "Oh, wow, he's a bad person." It's. like, no. in their little tiny blinders. ideological bubble, anybody that get. gets deported should be brought in. ICE. is bad. Immigrants are good. >> Yeah. >> And without any regard whatsoever the. consequences of bringing over murderers. and rapists and drug dealers and gang. members. Put your headphones on real. quick. >> cuz this is kooky.

>> Bring back illegal immigrants who were. deported by ICE. We're with the Br. campaign. Could we get your signature. for our petition? Just need your name. and email address. Specifically, we're. trying to bring back uh Edwin Hernandez. from El Salvador. >> Yeah. >> We do have to disclose to you though. that he is an admitted member of MS-13. and he did kill five people back in El. Salvador, but we think he deserves a. second chance and we want to get him. back. That's him right there. What do you guys think about what's.

going on with ICE in this country? >> Oh, it's um appalling, I guess, is maybe. not even a strong enough word. So, yeah, we're from Maine. Um there's been a lot. of ice activity in Maine. >> Up in Portland, right? >> Yep. Up in Portland. Yep. That's where. we live. Yeah. So, um I'm a teacher and. um. >> we there were lots of students that were. afraid to come to school. >> Thank you so much. >> Hopefully we can get uh Edwin Hernandez. back. >> Yeah. >> So, he doesn't have to be criminally. convicted in El Salvador. Right. >> All right. Thank you so much. Thank you.

>> Good work. Good work. Good work. Bring. that murderer back. MS-13 gang member. was killed five people. Yeah. I'll bring. them back. >> She's the perfect She's the perfect. example. She's a school teacher. >> What school teacher do you know who's. not liberal? >> Very few. Very few. >> And most of K through 12 is female. teachers. By the time you get to high. school, there's a few more, but I think. it's like 80 90% of school teachers are. women. >> So, they go to university, they go for. education, and they almost inevitably.

end up getting some kind of women's. studies course thrown in there. And so. they're taught this worldview that white. men are evil and oppressive to women, to. minorities, to poor people. So they see. Ed Edwin Hernandez, whatever his name. is. Well, sure, he murdered five people, but he wouldn't have done that if he. wasn't poor and oppressed by the evil. white patriarchy. It's not fair. And so. she wants to protect him. And she said. there's kids who are afraid to come to. school. You know, the kids are afraid.

It's just like the Democrats last night. with their little um reply to Trump's. State of the Union where they said the. same thing. Oh, if you've been trying to. protect your neighbors from the Gestapo. who's coming to arrest them, we. understand how stressful that is. They. just create this completely false. narrative. That's not how the world. really works. Ask the average like white. man out there who he's oppressing. because most of them are just working. hard as you know Amazon delivery drivers. or plumbers or right. >> sewage workers or something like that.

The average white man has never had like. this incredible amount of power. It's. all framing. >> The minute you take away and destroy the. framing that everyone accepts. this all falls apart. which is why I. wrote the book because I'm like if women. knew espec specifically women like me. this is supposed to be for us. This. whole movement was supposed to be for me. and my daughters to uh liberate us. And. I was like okay from what? From the. people who have the best interest in.

protecting me, my father, my husband, my. brother, the men around me. In order to. believe the feminist narrative that men. have systemically just always wanted to. keep women down and oppress them, you'd. have to believe that they didn't care. about their mothers, their daughters, their sisters, their grandmothers, their. neighbor lady. Just just all the men. wanted to just systemically oppress the. women so that they could have free maids. and uh you know sexbot women at home.

There was a ton of propaganda in the 70s. as well about this. Remember the. Steepford Wives movie. >> where it was revealed in the movie plot. that like all the evil men in this nice. suburban neighborhood full of white. people, they all had sex bot wives. They. didn't want their real wives. They. wanted a mindless sex bot that cleaned. the house and baked casserles. And this. was supposed to imply that this is why. men are oppressing you. They don't want. you to have a brain. They don't want you. to have input. They don't want to hear. your thoughts on things or have you be a.

real person. They just want you to serve. them. You know what I mean? That's not. how life is. Life's a lot more. complicated than that. But when you fill. the university systems with this and. then you fill the workplace with it, we've got HR, we've got me too, we've. got all these systems in place now that. actually promote feminism. It's far and. away the dominant social aspect of the. culture. Look at every female celebrity.

every single one of them. Think of the. top ones like Kylie Jenner, Taylor. Swift, Beyonce, Katie Perry, any of the. really uh popular female pop culture. They're all girl boss sexual liberation. on your ex-boyfriend, men ain't. I'm going to dominate him with my, you know, sexy physique and my sexual. prowess. And it turns out that a lot of. the ancient goddess worship, which was. really popular with feminists in the.

70s, there was a huge revival of that, a. lot of the goddess archetypes that they. brought back, had those same themes. like the goddess Khali who's a Hindu. goddess with eight arms and blue skin. and a tongue hanging out of her mouth. and all of her depictions in Hinduism. They the feminists chose that and put it. on the cover of the first issue of Miz. magazine in 1973. That seems like a weird choice if you're. trying to get suburban moms in 1973 to.

buy your magazine to put this blue. skinned terrifying Hindu goddess on the. cover. So why did they do that? Well, because they had her holding an iron and. a baby and like all these domestic. things, right? And the goddess Khali. symbolizes at least two feminists, vengeance against men, taking back power. from men and having your revenge on them. because that goddess only accepts male. sacrifice, male human sacrifice, especially on the battlefield. She like. drinks the blood of deceased male. warriors. Yeah. Very. And she's.

intentionally terrifying. And she's. supposed to like symbolize this. And. >> let me see what she looks like, Jamie. >> Yeah, if you pull up that. >> just put [clears throat] up the magazine. goddess. >> There it is. >> Women tell the truth about their. abortions. >> Wow. >> On raising kids without sex. What year. was this? 1973, I think. >> Wow. >> Yep. On the housewife's moment of truth. This was the huge propaganda campaign to. convince women that staying home and.

raising your own kids is actually. horrific oppression and it's abuse and. you're enslaved. You want to be at work working for your. boss. You want to be paying those taxes. You want to don't submit to your. husband. Submit to your boss though, >> right? >> That's fine. But. >> or become the boss. >> Yeah. Or become the boss, which again, we've had 50 years of trying to push. women to be the boss. And guess what? They really don't want to. And this is. what I always say. >> Some of them do though.

>> Some of them do. That's true. And. >> they're not a lot of fun. >> They're not. [laughter] I would say. there's always been like 5% of women who. are genuine outliers who are really not. cut out for motherhood, who can go out. there and crush it, who are going to do. something else. Historically, usually it. was like maybe you would uh become a. monastic like a nun or something. Maybe. you would run a boarding school or a. tavern. like women have owned businesses. and done other things in almost every. culture. >> But you should be free to do that. The. the issue is like are we indoctrinating.

people into a very specific ideology in. schools and universities? And is that. why they're going into something that. really maybe they're not that outlier. and they wouldn't really be interested. in it. You know, uh I was talking the. other day about this video that I saw on. Instagram um a while back where there. was this woman. She was talking about. how when she was in college, she was. dating this guy who was a Christian and. he wanted a traditional family and he's. like, "I'll take care of you and I'll. raise our kids." And she goes, "I didn't. want that. I wanted to go out there in.

the world." So, I got my education and I. got the job and I'm doing the thing that. I want to do and I don't want it. She. goes, "I don't." And she was crying. She. was like, "I don't want it.". >> She goes, "This is not what I want. I'm. not happy and I up.". >> Yeah. And it's just crazy. You're like, how many people silently feel like that? >> Yeah. Well, the the truth is that since. this book came out a few years ago, I've. paid a pretty high personal cost for. putting this information out there. And.

in the first chapter, I say, "Look, I'm. just going to present to you the actual. facts about the history and what really. happened because I think it's for you. women to decide. This is supposed to be. for you. I want you guys to look at what. really happened and the results of that. And the whole last chapter is like a ton. of statistics about where are we now. after 50 years of this being the super. dominant thing. It's not great. It's not. great. But I was like, I want women to. have the ability to look at it.

truthfully for themselves and decide. what they think. And I have been. slandered. I have been the things that. have been said about me, the lies and. the gossip that have been spread like. online. Uh calling me everything under. the sun, just wild crazy rumors about my. personal life that are not true. Um. because. >> but that's going to happen to anybody. that says anything controversial. >> Kind of seen as somebody betraying the. sisterhood, right? Because we're so. programmed that it's like the knee-jerk. reaction from women often times. But I.

get hundreds now emails, DMs, letters in. the mail even um from to our PO box from. women. Like one was a lady who was like, "I'm 60 years old. I'm sitting here. reading your book and it's covered with. tears because I fell for this Now. I'm 60 years old. I have no husband. I. have no kids. I have a shitty job that I. hate. I'm going to die alone. And I. can't go back and change any of it. What. do I do?". >> Do you know who's upset about it, too?

the lady who created Sex in the City. >> Oh, yeah. >> Did you see that? >> She's a gem. Yes. There's like a little. a video about that, isn't there? Where. um. >> she's talking. >> She said that she regrets having ever. made that. >> Yeah. Isn't that crazy? Cuz how many. women saw that and like I'm going to be. that boss girl. Yeah. >> I'm going to be What was the one lady. that everybody? The the hot. blonde lady. >> Uh. >> Jamie, you a giant Aren't you a giant. fan? Sex in the City. >> No, but that's the character's name. character or actor?

>> Both. >> Samantha's character. >> Yeah. >> That uh lady, she was in all the like. 80s. That's it. Yes. Super hot. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it was like I'm going to be. like her. >> I'm going to be a Samantha. Yeah. I. know. >> Yeah. >> Well, I mean it was pushed on me really. hard and I was told I was told you're. like a loser. I'll never forget this. It. was like maybe 12 years ago. somebody um. from the RNC that I was arguing with. online about this. She told me, "You. should be ashamed of yourself. You are. not a proper conservative woman and you.

are not contributing to the movement by. staying home with your kids." I said, "Really? How's that?" She goes, "What. about the GDP?". [laughter]. >> I was like, "The GDP?" She's like, "If. you were a real Republican, you'd be out. there working and contributing to the. GDP." [laughter]. And I was like, "You're right. raising. five children and trying to make them. the best human beings I can I can help. them be. >> Who wants to do that? I should get out. there and work for a corporation. That's.

>> GDP was her argument. That's crazy. >> I debate feminists all the time. >> Yeah. >> Online. I'm pretty undefeated if anybody. wants a piece. >> Well, here's the thing about liberals. online. I was just talking to Andrew. about this. >> She said that was incorrect. A take on. her. >> The opposite is true. I've never. regretted not having children. And I. feel compelled to have a career since I. was a child. But who's judging? Not me. Read all about it in my new book. But I. thought, so why does it say here? Sex in. the city writer Candace Bushnell 60. admits she regrets choosing a career.

over having children as she is now truly. alone. >> I know. And then there's a link. >> I would imagine she was selling a book. and they're taking some out to get some. headlines. >> This is the Daily Mail, though. The. Daily Mail's a little sus, right? >> Click on that. Highlight that and click. on that article. that Daily Mail article. like do they quote her even if it's. >> so just the where it says there via. Daily there's definitely plenty of other. women who push this who say they regret. it. >> but I wonder like how are they able to. say that she regrets this if she doesn't.

if there's no quote attached to it. so what does it say here then when I got. divorced I was in my 50s started to see. the impact of not having children and. being truly alone. >> okay. >> I do see that people with children have. an anchor in a way that people who have. no kids don't Okay. And what does it say. below that anymore? Did she elaborate? She explained that she didn't feel like. dating in her 2000 after a 2012 divorce. Ballet dancer. She married a ballet. dancer. Red flag. [laughter] This was a.

headline going around for a while, but. sorry male ballet dancers. I'm just. kidding. Um, it's not that long to get. to my age. I know women who have gone. longer. >> Uh, that was it. That was the entire quote. Yeah, I was just looking her up and. >> well, I can see why they took it that. way then. But. >> that seems like. >> maybe she's saying overall she still. thinks it was better to go after a. >> Maybe she's just gaslighting everybody. to sell a book, you know? Maybe she's. like, you want to sell that book, you. better be like on the go go boss girl,

>> I suppose so. But like you asked you. asked me like is do women really want to. be in the workplace or are they only. kind of really choosing? >> That's a giant generalization anyway. Of. course it is. Obviously, some women do. and some women don't. And there's a lot. of women who naturally maternally want. to have children, want to have a family. >> And then it's also finding a guy that. you can trust that you care about and. you think is going to stick with you and. he's really going to be invested in this. whole thing. And. >> someone who's like a solid man who's not. going to become an alcoholic and lose.

his job and fall apart, then you're. And yeah, >> that can happen to anybody. But that. aside for just a moment, uh, Simone de. Bouvois, the arguably the biggest. feminist of Second Wave, the French. intellectual who was, uh, buddies with. Jean Paul Sartra, and they got in. trouble for grooming underage kids and. seducing them and all kinds of crazy. stuff, but she's respected as the. greatest feminist intellectual of the. 20th century. And she was super. influential. And in a a 1970s interview.

with Betty Friedan, she said, "I don't. believe that society should give women. the opportunity or the choice to stay. home and be mothers because if we do, they're all going to pick that and I. don't think it should be an option." So, >> oh my god, >> it was the it was the view of the. feminists that Yeah. they and Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Katy Stanton said. that they said uh we would have never. passed suffrage had it not been for men. If it was ever left up to women alone, we would have never passed suffrage.

They would have never gone for it. They. don't want liberation. Now, of course, from their view, they're like, "Well, it's because they're oppressed and they. don't know that they hate their solid. their slavery yet. They just haven't. realized how oppressed they are. And if. they could see it, you know, for what it. is, they wouldn't like it." But we. couldn't convince them for a hundred. years. We had to convince the men that. it don't you want your daughters to like. have their own money and this and that. Um, so the feminists themselves say. women didn't want it. If we ever left it. up to women, they wouldn't have ever.

chosen it. Like, at least not as a. whole. Sure, there would always have. been a minority, but I would argue that. the minority of women who fought for. that were the ones that. the status quo historically of get. yourself a good man, have a family, um, stay home. It doesn't work for them. So. like a lot of them there's a book about. this um Edward Dutton wrote a book about. witches feminism in the fall of the west. where he says traditionally like women. the archetype of the witch being ugly.

and haggarded and living on the outside. of town it's kind of historically. accurate most of the feminists like have. you ever seen a picture of Susan. Banthony for no for example. >> I have not. >> she is uh aesthetically challenged we'll. say that. >> so is Betty Friedan so are a lot of. these women uh not all but a lot of them. are a lot of men were not really. interested in them. >> I think they look at the system and they. go, "Well, this isn't fair to me. You. know, I'm smart. I can do other thing. I'm just a baby factory." You The amount. of women who have called me a baby.

factory is pretty insane because I have. five kids. >> Well, they're not fun women. >> No, they're not fun women. But they be. like, "I don't want to be you. You're. just a baby factory." And it's like, >> same kind of men that call me toxic. male. >> Oh, yeah. [laughter]. You know, it's just. >> how dare you be su a successful. masculine archetype of a man, right? It's very threatening to people. Well, in some ways, I'm the weirdest. person to be here talking about this. because I grew up a tomboy. Uh, and I. have a lot of like people use this.

against me. They're like, "Oh, you're. actually really masculine for a woman. You may not always look super. masculine.". >> Well, you're really into firearms. >> I'm really I'm a firearms instructor. I. love weightlifting. I'm like an OG meat. head. I love bodybuilding. I did. powerlifting for years. I grew up on. farms playing in the mud with the other. boys in the neighborhood. That's what I. liked to do. But I think that when you. grow up like that as a woman, you. realize like I'm really strong for a. woman. I can deadlift 250 pounds for. sets of five, but the guy next to me who.

has never trained in his life can do. that, too. >> And you give him six months in the gym. and he's going to blow past me. you. know, you just you have a more realistic. understanding of how that works. And I. think that in the modern era, all the. feminist side debate, they live in this. world that we're sitting in this studio. right now and all this wonderful stuff. that allows me to be here talking to you. and talking to all the folks that are. watching. The microphone, the. technology, everything was built by men.

You'll hear the Hetty Lamar thing that. she came up with Wi-Fi. No, it's not. true. >> Really? >> No, it's not true. She she worked with a. man on a precursor to it, but it wasn't. her. It wasn't like she by her. >> I think so. I think I think they. actually were I think it was one of her. >> boyfriends. I could be wrong on that. But no, if you like even if you just ask. Grock, is that really true? And it's. like h well a little bit but not really. and that. But far and away, men are the.

builders and maintainers of. infrastructure and technology, and they. always will be. Cuz the truth is, women. have had 100 years to get into that. stuff, and they just don't really want. to. >> They'd rather be interior designers or. psychologists or things that are um, you. know, about people and social dynamics. and, you know, aesthetics and stuff like. that. I'm that way, too. I have like a. really strong intellectual, logical. side. I love debating and all that kind. of stuff, but I also love smelling. babies heads and dressing them in cute. little outfits and, you know, I love.

glitter and sparkly things. So, it is. what it is. Women don't want to go be. men, >> right? >> That's what we're finding out after 100. years of this is that when you make. women be men, they hate it. Like that. lady that um tried to be a man, have you. heard of that story where the woman. tried to pose as a man for like a year. and she ended up. >> deleting herself, I think. >> Oh. because it was so horrible. Like it. was so awful. She was like, "Life as a. man is awful. It's tough. It's hard. Nobody cares about your feelings.

Nobody's coming to rescue you." And I. think women growing up in this era, they. don't think about when they turn on the. light switch in the morning, how that. happens. When they get in their car and. drive to work, they don't think about. who built the road they're driving on, who built the cars or designed them, or. who changes their oil, is all men. that. when they flush the toilet, they don't. think about, hey, if uh that toilet. backs up or the sewage, you know, the. sewer treatment plant has a problem. It's going to be men that go in and fix. it. If there's a hurricane or an ice. storm, who's going to be back out in the.

dangerous weather trying to rescue. people and get the power back on? It's. going to be men. I'm waiting for the. feminists to come and rescue all the. people from the floodwaters and to put. the power lines back up after the. tornadoes come through. So far, they. have not appeared. They haven't shown up. to do the dirty, dangerous, and. difficult jobs that men do. And I'll. believe them that what they want is. equality when they start signing up for. those jobs. >> Well, it's just such a bizarre. perspective to think that it's not a.

huge task to raise children. >> Yeah. and to care for them and. communicate with them and see to their. emotional needs and and help them solve. things and figure things out and help. them with their schoolwork and just. normal stuff that is so crucial to the. development of a child. >> Yeah. >> And we've somehow because there's no. monetary. you can't like put a number on that like. what how valuable it is. It's not. valuable if it's not bringing in money.

if it's not contributing to the GDP. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. >> Thatird that whole the like myth of. women's unpaid labor. Um I'm glad you. brought that up. I just finished a huge. project that I'm working on with uh. Andrew, my my excellent has handsome. husband and uh Steven Crowder, Dr. David. Patrick Harry, and Rob Nor who's a uh. champion debater. We put together a. feminist debate course that's coming out. really soon. I think this week. I think. it drops this week. And we go over all. these myths and debunk them. when we.

tell we show people and demonstrate like. how to debate this feminism thing. because it's a leviathan. It's a beast. If you take it on, like one of the. reasons I'm out here doing it is because. when men try to argue against feminism. or feminists, they immediately get. slapped with you're a misogynist, you. hate women, you're an insult, all the. tropes, you have a small dick, what are. you gay? Like just all the insults, right? >> Well, when I sit in front of them and. make those arguments, >> you can't really just get away with. that. I have to contend with them. because I'm a woman,

>> right? I. >> mean, you could try to insult me, but. it's not going to land the same as when. you do that to a man. So, we put. together this course to try to help. people um deconstruct the framing that's. been built, question all the founding. axioms that feminism was this good, necessary, grassroots thing, that it's. good for women, that if it ever went. away, all the women would be chained to. the stove in servitude, not not allowed. to learn how to read or drive a car. When you hear about like women's. oppression in the Middle East, that's a.

result of Islam. In Christryendom, that. was never a thing. Like even in like. ancient Christianity was one of the. first places that women were really seen. as full human beings. And a lot of it's. because of the theos, the mother of God, the Virgin Mary, being the ark of the. new covenant that brought Christ into. the world for man's salvation. She was. even asked by an angel and she said, "Let it be so." which is so bizarre that. modern feminist women support Islam. >> Yes, they do. And they hate Christianity.

and they hate the Virgin Mary. They. don't like her being an archetype of. virginity and motherhood, you know, and. strength and men's salvation. They don't. like that. But they'll support Islam all. day long. That's fine. >> It's so strange. It's It's so strange that it it worked. Mhm. >> It's it's so strange that something that. goes against actual human nature. >> somehow or another became the prevailing. ideology amongst liberal women.

>> Um the occult aspect of it was very. shocking. >> Yes. >> It was very weird. >> It was very shocking to me. >> You didn't know. When I started. researching to put together the book, I. thought it was going to be mostly about. the funding of the feminist movement, the Jackal Island Club, being the same. guys that like went to the Jackal Island. in secret and put together the income. tax and the Federal Reserve and the. compulsory education system. I thought. it would be mostly about that and the. fact that women never wanted it, that.

women weren't the ones that just came. together and demanded it. And then I. started researching all the like popular. figureheads and really reading their. stuff because I was like this is a very. unpopular it's I'm making pretty intense. claims here. So I really have to be able. to back it up and I better make sure I'm. correct and I better make sure I'm. accurate because whenever you're. challenging a narrative this big, everyone's going to go through with a. fine tooth comb and try to. >> see where I'm wrong or see if I'm lying. or see if I'm twisting things. So, I did.

two and a half years of just reading. feminist literature. [sighs and gasps] It was rough, but I. got through it. And what I found was, holy moly, most of these women, almost all, but. certainly most, were into spiritualism, which was like a big 1800's movement of. like trying to do seances and contact. the dead and things like that. uh. theosophy which combines like eastern. occult practices with like other western.

traditions um ancient goddess worship uh. new age stuff and even satanism and. luciferianism in fact in my book I cite. a book that's a PhD thesis by a. professor from Norway his name's. perfaxeld I don't know if that's the way. you pronounce it but that's how it's. spelled p e r it's called uh satanic. feminism his book and Now, he himself is. a Satanist. He's a Luciferian himself. So, he sees it as a good thing that the.

women of the 19th century openly. declared Lucifer as their liberator and. the mascot of their movement. Now, you. would look back and think these were. Christian women because they were in. like New England and stuff in in the. United States, Puritan communities and. things like this, but they weren't. In. fact, Elizabeth Katie Stanton and a. bunch of her friends wrote something. called the Woman's Bible in 1895. where they rewrote the Bible from a. feminist perspective and took out the.

things that they thought uh were. oppressive and patriarchal. And in the. intro, Stanton herself says, I think her. husband was a preacher maybe or some. really involved with the church at the. time, but she said, "I don't believe. that any man has ever heard anything. from God. I don't believe the Bible is. divinely inspired. I think all of. Christianity was made up specifically by. men to oppress women." That's my. personal belief. She was more of like a. proton-newager. She believed in like. this monism stuff. And she said, "If I.

could monism, >> yeah, monism is like the kind of a lot. of the new age or even some of the DMT. bros will kind of come to this. conclusion that there's like a one that. we have to return to. Like we're all one. and we're all God and we forgot that we. need to return to the one." Yeah. We're. all We're all God. >> I've heard that one before. >> Yeah. And we got to return to the one. And they were writing about this stuff. in like the early 1800s is like. transgenderism, gender abolition, gender.

as a spectrum was being written about by. Margaret Fuller in the 1840s in America. And she said, "We're never going to. return to the one as long as we have. this gender division." So in the future, I'm envisioning a future with no gender. There's no men and women anymore. And. she said, "Nobody's really born a man or. a woman. You're either you're on this. spectrum and some people are more on the. male side and some people are more on. the female, but nobody is like fully one. or the other. It's a. >> I had that argument once with a guy who.

was a professor. It was one of the. dumbest conversations I've [laughter]. ever had on this podcast. And I I. eventually had to say to him, if you go. buy a puppy and it's a boy puppy, but. you wanted a girl puppy, do you say that. there is no gender? What do you do? >> Right? >> Like what do you do? Like what are we. talking about here? You're saying that. some men don't exist? That men aren't. real? That women aren't real? That no. one is a man and no one is a woman? Like, that's crazy. How did you get. here? You got here because someone with. an XY chromosome had sex with someone.

with an XX chromosome. And that's how it. works. >> That it's like a biological definition. based on objective reality. >> Yes. >> Like, we all know that, but there's this. weird dance. And that dance if. you keep just asking questions like why. is that dance? What are you doing? Like. why why are you saying that? Like what. does that mean? Well, what about this. and what about that? It just falls. apart. But yet they have this weird. resistance to facts. >> Yes. >> Very strange. Well, this is why the. occult was so appealing to these people.

and why so like feminists are drawn to. the occult and occultists are drawn to. feminism because in most occult. traditions there is this idea of gender. bending and gender fluidity and um. transcending gender. >> Yeah. in order to uh transcend to. something higher to become the stars. again or to become part of the one monad. or. >> so I I'm reading all their backgrounds. and they're all writing about this stuff. and many of them claimed to be automatic.

writers so they would write a book about. feminism say it's not coming from me. it's coming from this entity that's. speaking through me yes. >> yeah like that kind of stuff. >> so they would do that um they would like. uh Victoria Woodhull would claim to be. able to contact the dead or they would. just say this Christianity stuff is only. here to oppress women. Lucifer was the. good guy. Kind of the Prometheian myth. of like actually he was the good one. because he enlightened us and gave us. you know free will and. >> Luciferianism is very strange because.

you look at the definition of. Luciferianism you think oh they're going. to say someone who believes that the. devil is God but it's not quite that. like pull please pull up pull up. perplexity our wonderful AI sponsor and. ask it what is the definition of. luciferianism cuz I when I went down. this rabbit hole with your book I looked. this up so it's very strange diverse. belief system by the way that's a weird. way to say a diverse belief system. >> that reveres Lucifer not as the.

Christian devil but as a symbol or deity. of enlightenment knowledge and human. potential. >> yes. >> Lucifer Yes. Satan. >> Uhhuh. >> The guy who rules hell where everybody. burns for eternity. >> Luciferianism. Uh, Luciferians emphasize. self-improvement, free will, and. intellectual pursuit over traditional. relig religious dogma. They view Lucifer. as a lightbringer or liberator. Often. drawing from pre-Christian figures like. Prometheus. practices may include.

ceremonial magic, but the focus is. typically on personal empowerment rather. than the worship of evil, but that's a. trap door, ain't it? >> Yes, it is. >> That's what it seems like. >> Exactly what it is. >> It seems like a trap door. Just the way. they describe it, you're like, "Oh, well, that's me, man. I'm into. self-improvement.". >> And that's cool. That's why it's we're. all God. I'm God. And that's where you. get moral relativism. Secular humanism. comes from luciferianism, by the way. And in the 20th century, almost all the.

feminists signed like the humanist. manifestos and things like that. The. secular humanism stuff where it's like. morality is subjective. You know, what's. right for you at the time is what's. right and what's right or wrong for me. at the time. And there is no objective. moral facts. By the way, the reason they. get away with rewriting the history on. feminism is because they use something. called standpoint theory. And this is a. an epistemological framework that. asserts that there is no such thing as. objective historical truth or facts.

There's no objective timeline of. history. There are no historical facts. And to the extent that these historical. facts exist, they were created by white. patriarchal oppressors to perpetuate. their patriarchal oppression. So we. can't know the real history unless it's. told from the perspective of the most. oppressed woman. And so that is how they. rewrote everything. And the stuff you're. getting from their textbooks, the things. you're being taught in in university is.

this stuff. It's not anything having to. do with objective historical timelines. >> So Lucifer appears explicitly only once. in the Bible in Isaiah 14:12, King James. version. How art thou fallen from. heaven, oh Lucifer, son of the morning? How art thou cut down to the ground. which dits weaken the nations? And then. also this uh. >> original context. uh uh.

um Lucifer translates from the Hebrew. term meaning shining one, bright one or. lightbear often linked to the morning. star. >> Yeah, >> there's a I think the later link in. later history is the hell and. >> scroll back down again to what that stop. right there. It says uh. oh not originally a proper name or. reference to Satan. [clears throat] So. but that is Satan though, right? >> So.

>> that's who became Satan. Yeah. Right. So. it's like Lucifer before he went bad. The old days like the Beatles, the early. albums. >> I don't think so. >> No. >> Well, it's. >> So Lucifer is not Satan. >> No. >> What? >> Well, the orthodox tradition is that he. is. And there's multiple names for him. So sometimes he's called the adversary. Sometimes he's called different things. the the modern Protestant. interpretations of things because they. use solos scriptorera and there's a ton. of like word concept fallacies where. they think this word always refers to. this one thing. >> and they're not correct about that. So.

like our church tradition says yes he is. Satan. Um he is the adversary. He's you. know the evil one. He's got lots of. names. Um I think Lucifer is like his. name is an angel but. >> but so he was a fallen angel become. Satan. Yeah. So what but obviously if. someone is not just a fallen agent. becomes like the worst. being in the world or in the universe. >> like how could you ignore that and only. concentrate on the self-improvement.

>> could you name that after somebody else? Aren't there a lot of other. self-improvement people in the Bible? >> Well that's the thing it just seems. tricky what this really comes down to. like the the name of the book is occult. feminism. It has two meanings. The first. meaning is a lot of these women were. really into the occult, >> right? >> That's the most obvious one. But the. second one is occult. The term itself. just means hidden. And there's a whole. history here that's been completely. intentionally hidden from both women and. men, but specifically from women that if.

they knew it, I think they'd have a. whole different view of this movement. and they would question a lot of its. foundational grounding axioms and and. all the presuppositions we have that it. was to protect women. Right. >> So if if we look at that, if we look at. the promises of feminism, the promises. we were told, it's going to protect you. from abusive men, from unhappy, abusive. marriages. It's going to uh give you. more freedom and more choice in your. life. Those were the the selling points.

and the things we were promised. But if. you actually like look at the. statistics, you look at the outcomes of. what's happened since feminism became. dominant and we pushed women into the. workforce. We discouraged them from I. mean antiatalism is so rampant. I mean. you hear people refer to children as. like icky. They call them crotch. goblins. They call [snorts] them you. know sex trophies. All these like uh. derogatory terms for children and. parents. And you see the dual income no. kids people. the Dinks making all their. like Tik Toks about like a day in our.

life is dinks. We went to the Taylor. Swift concert last night and then we. slept in extra late and then we had. brunch and smoked a joint like you know. Chelsea Handler. Look, we have no. responsibility. We live purely for. ourselves. We do whatever we want. It's. so great. >> So, it's [clears throat] like always. been this dialectic of. >> do you want to be self-sacrificial. and give of yourself for something. greater that goes into the future long. after you're gone? this greater purpose. that's going that you might never even.

see fully the fruits of in your lifetime. or do you want to party and have fun and. go after what you want now and be kind. of hedonistic kind of selfish and that's. the that's the luciferian paradigm like. even um the satanic temple guys Anton. Levy and all those guys they said look. we're not even like deistic Satanists we. just think I'm my own god I decide. what's right for me I do what I want in. my life for for my own fulfillment and. nobody is entitled to anything from me.

I decide if and when I want to give. anything to anyone, this life is for me. Those are kind of the two sides you kind. of end up on. And so when I when I say a. cult, I kind of mean that, too. I kind. of mean like, yeah, raising five kids. was really hard. I had to I didn't buy. fancy new clothes. I didn't get beauty. treatments. I didn't do much of anything. for myself. I went like 20 years with no. sleep. Uh, it was, you know, it's it is. hard work, but. >> my children and hopefully their.

children, who is who I wrote this book. for when I wrote it, I thought it was. going to be like I didn't know I was. going to be here talking about it. I. thought it was going to be for like my. grandkids and my great-grandkids and. things like that because I wanted them. to know this stuff. [clears throat] Um, that's hard. It's hard work. And on the. front end of that, the first 20 years. that you're raising kids, it feels kind. of thankless sometimes. It feels tough. and you go, "What am I doing all this. for? It's so my friends are out at the. concert, they're partying, >> every every job feels like that.".

>> Yes. So, when you put in all that hard. work and sacrifice on the front now, I'm. in my mid-40s. My kids are all grown. I. have children that are like in their. mid20s adults. My youngest is in high. school. I have more time to do other. things. That's why I said we give women. backwards advice. We tell them spend all. your fertile years building an education. and a career and then later if there's. time for a family maybe you can do that. if you want to be weird. We what we. should tell women I think is you can do.

a lot of things. I'm not saying you only. have children and you never do anything. else. And that was never the case. historically. It was never the case. I. had my first child at 20. I had my last. one at 32. I got a lot of living, God. willing, you know that I'll be able to. do other things. I'm doing this now. Um. once I have grandkids, you'll probably. never see me again because hopefully. I'll be doing a lot with that. Um I'll. have time to do things for my church, for my community. I could do anything I.

want. I can garden. I can write books. There's a million things you could do. And that was always the case. This idea. that women didn't have choices before. feminism is nuts. They were writing. novels. they were supporting themselves, you know, doing all kinds of other. things. And what's happened after. feminism is now I think you don't have. many choices because like my daughters, >> my my uh second oldest is like I would. love to just get married right now and. have kids, but like how do we pay for. it? What do I what do I do until I find. a husband? Like between 18, say I don't.

find a guy till I'm 23. What do I do for. those five years? Just stay at home and. total my thumbs? Like what do I do? Do I. get a job? she feels like she doesn't. have choices. She would love to stay. home and have kids. Um most of the women. who write to me are like I had one lady. write to me and say, "I ever since I got. together with my boyfriend and started. going to church with him, all I can. think about day in and day out is. getting married and having kids, I. daydream during the day about my future. children and I dream about them in my.

dreams at night. That's all I in me. wants to do that." But I'm in my last. year of dental school and I have all. this debt and my parents fully expect me. to graduate and start a dental practice. And if I told them, I'm not going to do. that. I'm just going to stay home and. have kids. They would lose it. They. would probably disown me. They would. think I'd lost my mind. They would say, "Are you kidding? You can't do that.". And I talk to women all the time who. feel like they're trapped that way. And. the truth is, feminism didn't make. anything safer for women. It did the.

opposite. If you look at, we have so. much data on this. Cohabitative. relationships where you just live with. your boyfriend have a 35% higher. domestic violence rate than married. couples. If you look at child abuse, there's something called the National. Incident Study. I have a whole breakdown. of this on my Substack 2. It's gone over. the last 45 years of all the data we. have from every reporting agency in the. country. It's the most comprehensive. one. For the last 45 years, um, children.

who live with married biological parents. are 12 times safer by on every metric, whether it's sexual abuse, physical. abuse, emotional abuse, neglect, by a factor of 12 times safer than any. other living situation. And kids that. come from disrupted family living. situations like mine where you got. divorced parents and like dad's got a. girlfriend, mom's got a new husband, those sort of things. Those are all far. far far unsafer for children on every.

level that we look at. And then if you. look at kids from fatherless homes, the. risk for everything, uh addiction, learning disabilities, mental health. problems, uh ending up in a juvenile. facility, being homeless, it's like. between 70 to 85% of kids in those. situations come from fatherless homes. So what we've done over the last 50. years is take dads and husbands out of. the home and replace them with the. government.

And it has made women and children more. vulnerable to abuse, to abandonment, to. ending up on welfare, to ending up in. any number of bad situations that you. can think of. It didn't protect us. And. I think if more women knew that, they. would at least, you know, give it a. second thought and be like, hm, maybe the whole getting married and. having kids thing isn't so terrifying. We don't fearonger women about what can. go wrong if you dedicate your whole life. to a career. You know, we don't tell. them, well, what if this happens? What. what if you try to be a a brain surgeon.

and then you get Parkinson's and you can. never work again. >> But like what percentage of people in. this country, families in this country. require both parents to work in order to. get by? most. Yeah. >> Most. >> So, what's the solution to that? >> Well, I think it's not going to be. quick. It's gonna be a. multi-generational project. But I think. if you give women the choice, I believe. Simone Devouis when she said that if you. give women the choice, more and more. will choose to be moms and stay. If they can't,

>> in this situation we're specifically. talking about where they require two. incomes in order to pay the bills. >> So, that was me. So, when Andrew and I. got together, um, and we had two kids of. our own. We've now got a house full of. kids. He's, um, you know, starting his. career, he's making okay money, but. nothing crazy. And we had to like move. out to the country where it's cheaper. We [clears throat] had chickens. We had. a garden. I had I learned how to be a. firearms instructor because I could. teach a class on a Saturday, only be. gone for one day of the week, and make.

like 2,000 bucks. So, I could make like. a week's worth of money only working one. day a week on the day that he's home. So, like my advice to people, I'm not. super huge on giving advice because it. depends. There's a lot going on that I. don't know your situation, but you have. to get creative. Try to find things you. can do on the side, things you can do. from home. The was one of the benefits. to COVID is now something like 30% of. work is remote from home work. Mhm. >> If you can do that and kind of structure. your day more around the kids and work.

at night, maybe when dad's home, things. like that, that's kind of an ideal. situation. >> In an ideal situation. Yeah. >> Um I wanted to talk about Jack Parsons. >> Oh, yeah. >> And uh all the craziness because we we. had um gone over the fact that this guy. was uh working for NASA. >> He was involved in rocketry. >> Yes. >> And yet he was an avowed Satanist. >> Yes. and he got involved in the whole. feminist movement. >> Yeah. Through through his girlfriend.

Marjorie Cameron who was like an. archetype of the scarlet woman. So. Parsons was kind of like he created like. a kind of an occult cult that was a. breakoff from Alistister Crowley and had. a lot of Croian beliefs. And when he met. Marjorie Cameron, she was like this. rebellious redhead uh who smoked and. drank and slept around and like all the. Hollywood dudes in his circle kind of. liked her. A lot of his friends slept. with her too. Um and she was very into.

the occult and she was really into like. witchcraft and ritual magic and so was. he. And so when they met, it was like. instant chemistry. And the rumor, the. legend is that they spent like, I don't. know, multiple many days, even like up. to a couple of weeks, non-stop doing sex. magic together. Like that's all they did. for a couple weeks. They. >> What's sex magic? So, according to like. Crowley and a lot of these kind of like. more openly Satanist left-hand path type. of occultism, the sexual experience and.

the orgasm is super powerful because it. can channel your emotions in a way that. nothing else can. You get like this big. surge of energy and emotion that will. make whatever spell or ritual you're. doing more powerful. So Crowley's. favorite thing to do was sodomize fellas. in order to uh worship demons or invoke. demons. [laughter]. >> Yeah, he had he had pets. He had dudes. that were his little. >> boy.

>> his bottoms for his I I need to go. Uh. >> was gay or bisexual? He was by He had a. lot of women he would do this stuff with. too, but he thought that the homosexual. stuff, basically the more degenerate it. is, the more intense it's going to make. the spell. So, >> Oh, boy. So, he cast spells while he's. butt. >> Yeah. >> Woo. >> Yep. >> Whoa. >> And then you add a little bit of. hallucinogenic drugs in there, too. And. >> And that's where you really [laughter]. get the good stuff. >> What What impact did all these people. have on feminism? So, I mean, Parsons.

was also friends with the guy who uh. came up with Scientology, um Hover. Yep. >> And they actually fought over Marjorie. Cameron for a while. And when Parsons. died cuz he blew himself up, you know, at home working on a rocket, he blew. himself up. [snorts]. >> Cameron didn't handle it well, she. freaked out. She moved out into the. desert and was and started her own. community cult of like moon children. So. nuts. It's so nuts. She specifically.

recruited like all different races of. people. Like she focused on finding. dudes to impregnate her supposedly to. make moon children who were going to. like bring the antichrist and they'd go. out into the desert and live on this. ranch together and do a bunch of peyote. And she made like art. I have some of. her art in the book. This crazy weird. looking. crazy art. Um one of her paintings is. called peyote vision. It's wild. Um, but. she was doing all the sex magic stuff to. try to like reincarnate him to try to.

bring about the antichrist. She thought. she was the scarlet woman that was going. to be like the antichrist version of. Mary where the antichrist is born. through this scarlet woman. And it's. references to Babylon and and the end. times in the Bible and all this stuff. which Crowley did all that stuff too. And she was a feminist icon because this. stuff goes along with being rebellious. It's it's there's a reason there's like. an archetype of feminists like a. stereotype that they're all they have. daddy issues. They're manhaters with. daddy issues because they kind of are.

It's usually like they're very against. God. They're very against their dad. Like you can't tell me what to do. You're not the boss of me. I'm a strong. independent woman. I'm going to get what. I want even if I have to use my. sexuality to do with it. It's like a. very recurring theme of using sexuality. because women don't have the monopoly on. force. Men do. So what do women have to. get power? sexuality and the power of. like determining who gets to reproduce. Did you know that twi we all have twice. as many female ancestors as we do male.

ancestors? >> No. >> So throughout history, genetic studies. show that twice as many women have been. able to reproduce as men because we. that's where our power is. Our power is. if you're a fertile female, someone's. going to fertilize you. You don't have. to be special or do much. As a man, you. have to compete. You have to have. resources. You have to out compete the. other men who are trying to get the. female pregnant, that sort of thing. And. a lot of men historically died in battle. really young or doing dirty or dangerous.

jobs, you know, they died younger a lot. of times or in war. And then you'd have. war brides, you know, so they'd get. impregnated again by like the enemy who. took them back to their homeland, that. kind of thing. So yeah, we we have this. that's where women feel that their power. lies is in sexuality. That's why every. pop star and every movie star who's a. famous woman, for the most part, there's. a handful of exceptions, but most of. them, they'll do anything to stay hot. You know, they're trying to be sexy at.

70 like um who was that? Jane Fonda. Sexy at 70, sexy at 80. You know, she's. going to be sexy forever. >> Hearing bones crack. [laughter]. >> Ow, my hip. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I was like, uh I mean, Jennifer. Lopez is kind of doing that, too. She's. had how many husbands and engagements. and divorces and she's still out there. in the thong shaking it on Vegas, you. know, and her Vegas shows and stuff. And. >> yeah, she looks good. She's got endless. money to do endless things to look good.

Lord knows what they're doing, but um. that's where women think their power. comes from. So Cameron was like big into. pushing this into the California like uh. counterculture in the 60s and at the. time this was like well in the 50s and. 60s. So like even people like Sammy. Davis Jr. who's another guy that said he. was a Satanist. >> Um. >> Sammy Davis Jr. was a Satanist hanging. out with Sinatra. >> Yeah, that's what he said. >> Now you wonder sometimes if they just. say that for shock value. I don't know. >> Or maybe they had fun parties.

>> Oh, they definitely had they were they. were having diddy parties before Diddy. [laughter] was around. You know what I'm. saying? So Cameron was the it girl in. the counterculture in LA and her art was. really popular and stuff and there's a. lot that kind of came out of her. popularity that went into the mainstream. later in like these Scarlet women. archetypes of like the sexy bad girl. who's rebellious and is undomemesticated. and unattached. You know what I mean? And that's become the cool girl now for.

a lot of people. And that's why like. you'll see celebrities talking about, "Oh, I've had four abortions. Yeah, so. what? I do what I want and I'm not going. to be held down by no man or no baby. I'm gonna I'm a strong independent woman. out here and I decide, you know, that's. what that's why you see women screaming. about how abortion is great." They go to. these rallies and they're just like. screaming the most horrible things. And. I think if you convince enough women. that motherhood and having babies is. like this horrific oppressive ball and.

chain, which is what my mother was. convinced of. She was totally convinced. She said to me once, "Having children is. the worst thing that ever happened to. me." No offense. >> She said, "No offense, but it's the. worst thing that ever happened to me.". And I asked her once, I was like, "What. do you what is it that you would have. gone and done, you know, if it weren't. for having kids?" She had no idea. She. had no answer. She just knows that it. would have been great. You know what I. mean? >> So it's like they use a lot of fear of. missing out a lot. >> You get indoctrinated. >> Yeah. Yeah.

>> And then that becomes your primary. narrative and you believe it no matter. what. >> and you just default to that no matter. what. >> Yeah. >> And all your discomfort is because of. this thing that you've already. identified. This is the problem. Patriarchy, men, I got saddled down with. kids. >> That's why I'm miserable. Not because. I'm completely unproductive. I don't. have a good community. I'm not healthy. >> Right? >> All the above. Isn't it weird? Have you. ever noticed like all the videos women. will make about how they get a divorce? I just went through my divorce and then. I had a po a post divorce glow up. They.

lose 40 lbs. They get in shape. They get. their hair done. You maybe get a little. plastic surgery, a little botox, a. little filler, and they're like, "Look. at me now." And it's like, if you had. done that while you were married, you'd. probably still be married and having a. great time with your husband. >> Perhaps the husband's a loser. >> sometimes. >> A lot. >> That happens. >> There's a lot of losers out there. There's a lot of guys I wouldn't want to. hitch my wagon to. >> That's true. >> As a woman, like count on this. to figure things out. >> I think that's the other uh result of.

the sexual liberation stuff, though, is. like what motivation do men have to be. like good, dependable, upstanding. providers, >> right? >> When they can just sleep around and be. boys and. >> losers and that's why the dating apps. are so crazy. It's so crazy. Like you're. on a date, someone says one thing you. don't like. Like, let me just pick up my. phone and see who else is around. >> It's crazy that so many people are on. those things and you're just like. constantly inundated by options.

>> I've never been on a dating app. It's. one of my biggest flexes in life. Never. been on a dating app. Uh I've been with. Andrew for, you know, almost two decades. now. So, it's like I missed that whole. thing. I feel like I caught the last. chopper. >> I have some friends that met wonderful. people in dating apps. Like I have a. good buddy of mine who met his girl on a. dating app and he loves her and they. have a great relationship. >> It can happen. It's just like just. people that you don't want to go to a. bar. You don't that's not the type of. people you want to meet in the first.

place. How do you find them? And you. know they have like certain dating apps. that are like more selective I guess. >> You know about like what what are you. into? Try to pair someone up who's. likeminded. If you're alone and you're. busy with other stuff and you find it. very hard to meet someone, I would. imagine it's really interesting. But. then also, yeah, if you're a young. person and you're just trying to bang it. out out there on the streets and you. know, you got 14 people hitting your. inbox and you pictures of your abs and. your flexing or whatever it is,

you know, like that is chaos. And I. don't think people are supposed to have. those kind of options. >> No, you didn't. You never did. historically. It's only been like 15. years. It used to be your area where you. live. Those were the people to choose. from. and you'd find the best person for. you. >> in that. Like I tal I interviewed my. grandma on my YouTube channel when she. was 97 and I asked her like when you and. Aunt Thelma were when Thelma and Lois. were looking for you know husbands in. the early 40s like what were the things.

you guys were looking for? What did you. think about when you were like looking. for a guy? She's like oh well we you. know he had to have a good reputation. He had to come from a nice family you. know cuz you're going to you know when. you marry a guy you marry his family. So. you got to think about that. I wanted. him to go to like a the same type of. church as me and believe the same things. and he had to, you know, have good job. prospects, you know, a good future. prospects because, you know, you want to. raise a family and and those sort of. things. She did not say six foot,

sixpack, or six figures. None of that. came up. It was all like pretty. wholesome and very like long-term. minded. Do you know what I mean? Like. she's thinking of the future. I don't. feel like I don't even feel like I did. that. I feel like when I was young, I. was stupid and I was like, "He's cute. and funny. That's good enough for me, you know.". >> Well, it's like it's there's normal. preferences that people have like to big. tall guys, fit people, >> wealthy people. That's the normal.

things. >> But it's like. >> the thing about today and all the. options is not just that. It's all the. performative stuff that people do. consistently and constantly online. So. then you're also looking for positive. feedback from strangers constantly and. then you're also reflecting on negative. feedback from strangers constantly. >> So kids today are just overwhelmed, drowning in anxiety. Yes. Because. they're addicted to this feedback and.

this this thing where they're always. pretending to be someone they're not. online and they're using filters and. cars that they leased and you know it's. very strange. >> Yeah. I have four girls and I made a. point to always show them like I'll show. them before and afters of the. Kardashians. [laughter] You know, I'll. show them here's Kylie Jenner before all. the like probably hundreds of thousands. of dollars worth of work that she's had. done in professional stylists and. trainers and all the facial. augmentations and all the different.

things that they get done. Here's what. she looked like. Just any normal girl. from your junior high. the only reason. she looks like this now. And on top of. all the work and everything else, there's filters and there's um apps that. they edit everything with. And I'm like, this isn't real, >> right? >> Because I remember growing up in the. '9s, I don't ever remember thinking a. whole lot about. >> what my butt looked like, if my nose was. too big, like all the things that they. hype. These girls like pick themselves. apart today.

>> Yeah. >> It's terrifying. It's like. heartbreaking. I think boys do the same. thing. They're like, I'm short. It's. over for me. I might as well selfdelete. I'll never be anything because I'm. short. And I'm like, >> well, what percentage of guys are in. sales today? It's kind of nuts. >> It's really high. Like higher than like. there was a percentage of men that don't. have any sex at all right now. >> And it's nuts. But it's that thing. It's. like 20% of the men are desirable to. 100% of the women. >> and those 80% of guys are.

>> Yes. Yeah. I don't [sighs and gasps] I. don't know what we do about that. I. don't have a great answer for that. Um, I've tried kind of like talking like. I'll go on the Whatever podcast once in. a while and kind of like ask girls. probing questions about that. Like, do. you think it's possible that you could. be missing it? Like, if you're 22 and. you won't date a guy cuz he only makes. 50 grand a year. It's like, yeah, well, my husband only made 40 grand a year. when we met, but he makes way more than. that now. Like, you used to grow. together. and and having a family really.

motivates a man to like hustle and grow. whatever it is that he's doing and try. to be better. >> But it's like if you're 22 and you're. like, I won't even look at you unless. you make six figures, you're missing out. on a ton of great guys. And it's like. what what exactly do you want? What are. you looking for? And they don't even. know like. >> well they're kind of programmed towards. hypergamy today, right? It seems like. they're programmed to go after the super. successful, hyper successful people and. not think, "Oh, I'm developing a. relationship with a man and we're going.

to grow together.". >> Yeah. And they have it. This is true. And we know there's problems with men, but we talk all the time about problems. with men. And I think what we tell women. is you're perfect how you are. You are a. goddess, girl, and you don't have to. change for anybody. That's what that's. what we tell people. But then how many. of those women are now on Ompic? >> That was crazy. All the body positivity. women are all like 120 lbs now and they. look like they're making weight at the. UFC.

beautiful influencers are now just like. >> skeletons. So strange kind Osborne on TV. God bless her soul. I don't know if. she's doing that, but I know a lot of. them they just get so. >> Megan Megan Trainer got popular on a. song about being a little bit chunky and. having a big butt and that boys actually. like that better. And the minute she can. get a GLP1, she's like, "Never mind.". >> Yeah. A lot skinny now. >> A lot of people did it. A lot of people. did it. Lizo did it. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. It's uh But it's this thing I. always say to men, you know, when they. tell me like, "Oh, I'm I don't want to. work out. I don't want to do any of. those things." Why do you do why do you. waste all your time doing that? I go, "If I could give you a pill that could. make you really strong, like. instantaneously really strong and able. to like strangle men, >> like you could kill people with your. bare hands, you wouldn't take it. Do you. want to be vulnerable? Do you like it?". Well, there's no pill, but if you just. work, you can become that. You can. become a different type of man. >> Yeah. >> Like that's possible,

>> but you don't want to do it. So, you. want to dismiss it as being silly. Well, why would it be silly to have power? It's to have strength, to have a. physical body that can like move things. around easier, that can hold people down. if you have to. If there's something. terribly wrong, you can defend yourself. Why would you not want to have that? Well, everybody wants that. It's just. it's an incredibly long path to get. there. So, they're scared of it, so they dismiss it. >> Yeah. It's the same thing as raising. kids, right? It's like so I lifted.

weights for uh it's been like 18 years. and there were periods where I was. really lean and I looked fantastic and. then there were periods where like I and. I lifted all through my pregnancies and. everything. Thank God. And I highly. recommend it because if you don't want. to have like a lot of the complications. you can have post pregnancy like pelvic. floor issues, birthing issues, >> get really strong and squat heavy, be. able to do some heavy deadlifts and. stuff. All that stays really strong and. it really helps with your health. Um, I.

had a doctor that told me I wasn't going. to walk again after my fourth baby cuz. my pelvic bone separated when I birthed. her. >> You're not going to be able to walk. >> Yeah. She was like, "You should just get. a walker.". >> Oh my god. >> You're not going to be able to do. >> That lady was so I was like, "That's so. crazy. There's no rehab. There's nothing. you could do.". >> By that time, I knew that most doctors. give you advice based on liability. They. don't want to get sued. She doesn't want. to tell me to go squat because what if I. hurt myself and then it's her fault? whatever. So funny. >> So, I just went right back to I'm just. going to start with like literally.

lifting my legs in bed and then I. progress and now I've got nothing wrong. with me. I'm super strong as I'm fine. So crazy. >> But it's the best thing to do. And. through all those years of lifting, even. when I was a little too chunky, like. after my son passed away, I gained a lot. of weight. >> I could not care about myself for a. couple of years. I just couldn't bring. myself to do it. But I still went to the. gym because it kept me sane. It did more. for me mentally than therapy or anything. else other than prayer. I would say. prayer would be the number one thing,

gym, a close second. It was a really. great way to battle out all of the. really strong crazy emotions that I had. Just one more rep, you know, until. you're so tired that it's like a lot of. the bad feelings and stuff you have, >> you have some clarity and you can kind. of figure it out. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. That's one thing that I think. would be a good way to develop more men. is to encourage them into doing. difficult things. Yes. And difficult. hard work and specifically physical. things because I think your body has a.

certain amount. >> of requirements in order to maintain. like a stable level of anxiety and. mental health. I think. >> I think it's a giant fac I know it's a. giant factor because when I take a few. days off, there's something wrong, if I. get hurt or something like that, I start. getting baddy. I'm like, well, this is. like most people most of the time. Like, that's a terrible way to live your life. >> Um, >> Andrew knows if I'm if I'm out of sorts. like that. He's like, gym. >> You haven't been to the gym and all like. we just moved across the the country and. it was like it's there's so much that.

goes into doing that. Especially when he. has a business and everything and. there's kids. >> And so, it was like the longest I've. taken off ever, I want to say. Like, even with kids and surgeries, I didn't. have to take off that long. And we. finally got the home gym put in. He's. like, "Oh, you're normal again. Great. You're you're mentally balanced again.". It's great for women, too. If you're a. woman that struggles with depression and. anxiety, try pushing yourself really. hard in the gym, and you'll find out. what you're made of. It doesn't mean you. have to be stronger than dudes. It. doesn't You're not going to get huge.

muscles because you don't have enough. testosterone to do that, unless you're. taking gear or something. But get in. there and work out. And then you have. the added benefit of it's going to help. you through childirth and pregnancy. as. you get older, you're not going to be. fragile and need your kids to take care. of you all the time. You know what I. mean? Like my parents both have terrible. health, and I want to avoid that. So, I'm trying to be like really proactive. about keeping myself healthy, avoiding. heart disease, diabetes, all these. things so that my kids don't have to. have a power of attorney and take care. of me, right?

>> You know, >> right? Um, is there anything else you. want to cover in the book? Because, uh, it's a it's a really I didn't read read. it. I listened to it. the the guy who. was reading it was um a very odd voice. It's very odd. I really wish he read it. >> I want my husband to narrate it. I've. asked multiple other people to narrate. it and I can't get anybody to do it. I. would love to do a reproduction. He. actually did that for free because he. thought it was he was like, "This book. is so important. I'm happy to do it." He.

just sounds like he has a bit of a sinus. infection. Yeah, he's got an odd voice, which which is fine, but it's just like. it's the the information is very. fascinating, but I just I always wish. people read their own book in audio. >> Yeah, I you know why I didn't? Because I. think I sound like Lois Griffin and. Sarah Palin had a baby. [laughter]. >> And I don't know that anybody wants to. listen to hours of my voice. >> They do. I'm sure they do. They're. listening to it right now. You're normal. voice. Maybe I'll do it. It's all in.

your own head. I have well I have this. upper Midwest like oh guy you know like. >> that's you're from the upper Midwest. doesn't matter but the point is it's. like it's interesting because this is. your work it's your perspective you. know. >> Yeah. >> Um and it's it's really good. It's. there's a lot. >> I'd say if I got to say anything else. about it um I did not write this book. nor do I talk about these things or. debate feminists because I hate women. I. do not hate women. I love women. I'm a.

woman. I have daughters. I have women in. my life that I love. And. >> that's a crazy narrative. >> Yeah. Well, and people think they'll say. like, why do women act so crazy. nowadays? Why are they all so crazy? And. it's like, what do you think would. happen if you took any group of humans. and you said you are perfect the way you. are, you are a goddess. You are strong, independent, whatever you are. You don't. need to change. There's nothing to be. improved upon. And if if you do. something wrong, it's only because a man. somewhere. hurt you or did something bad and that's.

the only reason that you would do like. we've removed accountability. We've. given women more power than the balance. I think there was a balance already. before feminism because you had women. with the power over reproduction and. mate selection and sexuality and. motherhood um and all the influence they. have over men through those things. And. then you had men with the monopoly on. physical force and probably like. political force and things like that. So.

there was kind of a balance. And what we. did with feminism was we just completely. threw it off. And now we're like, "No. men, you you stay down. You be quiet. You're toxic. You're bad. You like. schools, public schools are terrible for. boys. Sit down. Be quiet. Be like Suzie. Uh just use the highlighter and organize. things by color and be quiet and still. and soft and nice." And you know, we HR. manage boys to death now. And so we've. thrown the balance off. And what we've. done is give women all this power, but.

taken away all the accountability. And. it's like, why would you not expect them. to act a little crazy? Why would it not. kind of spoil them? And I I don't think. women are inherently bad. I think what. feminism has done has made them a worse. version of who they would be otherwise. >> I think we need accountability and. responsibility. We need to have some. self-sacrifice in life. We need to have. the same inherent human struggle that. men have and that all all people have. had and we we did before. So every time.

you look in history, this is a key. thing. If you are arguing with. feminists, if you're looking at history. and they say look at this horrible. thing, women couldn't have this or women. didn't do that or there was stigma. around this. Ask yourself, was that also. true for men? Because it always is. It. always is. Men didn't have this glorious. carefree existence free of. responsibility where they had all the. power and control but none of the. accountability. That's a lie. That's a. myth. But we've convinced women of that. So now we're trying to flip it the other.

way. And yeah, women are acting crazy. We have Bonnie Blue and we have like all. these crazy Only Fans girls and like the. only women online besides me and a. handful of others are boss babes and. Only Fans chicks and Instagram models. and blue-haired screeching feminists. [laughter]. That's what we've ended up with. So, it's like I wrote it because I think. feminism is bad for women and I think it. would help them. I think it's bad for. everyone and kids. I am no longer. willing to sacrifice the welfare of.

children on the altar of feminism ever. again. I won't do it. And if you want me. to throw kids under the bus so that. women can do blah, I don't care what it. is. I'm not going to do it. I want to. see kids growing up in loving families. with both their parents. I want to see. community again. I want to see families. again. All the great stuff that we all. lost from that, the loneliness epidemic, all the depression and the anxiety. Women have higher rates of substance. abuse than ever in recorded history.

right now. >> Don't men also have higher rates of. >> No, it's actually stayed pretty static. with men. In fact, like Gen Z boys. hardly ever drink like the marijuana. more opioid addiction. >> The opioid epidemic uh is pretty pretty. much both because I think it's kind of. medically based. A lot of people get. something, you know, surgery or whatever. >> and then they get hooked. >> Yeah. And they get hooked on it and then. they got to go looking for it elsewhere. Um but women, we've never seen as high a.

rate of feal alcohol syndrome in babies. as we're seeing now. And alcoholism is. much worse for women. Our bodies are. smaller. Our livers don't handle toxic. amounts of alcohol even as well as a. man. It's bad for men. >> It's even worse for women. Uh 26% of. American women are on at least one. psychiatric prescription drug. >> Yeah. >> That's nuts. >> That's nuts. >> And they did something there. In my. book, I cover uh the a big study called. um the paradox of female happiness. And.

this came out in 2008, I think, and it. made huge waves where they did this. giant survey of women. Uh they had done. one in the 70s and they were repeating. it, you know, 40ome years later to see. like, okay, we've had a lot of feminism. Are women doing better? And on every. metric they measured, women reported. being less fulfilled, less happy, and. less content than they did in the 70s. before they were like fully liberated. Um, and they give a lot of reasons as to. why, you know, the the burden of having.

to juggle work and home and the. expectations of versus reality of what. feminism sold them and things like that. And then they did a repeat study several. years later that was even more. comprehensive where they went to other. countries and other societies and. different types of places and did. another survey about women's happiness. because now feminism is pretty global. There's only a few places in the world. where it hasn't really taken hold yet. So they they were like, "We should check. other places." And the authors of the.

study opened with something that I. thought was kind of funny. They said, "Regardless of where you look, culture, economic status, religion, it doesn't. seem to matter. Women everywhere and. always are less happy than men." And. they they said the reasons for that are. somewhat biological. We have like. hormonal fluctuations that men don't. deal with. You know, things like periods. and menopause and all that sort of. stuff. And we're just less emotionally. stable. Women experience three times the. mental illness than men do.

And and it could be for many reasons. We. could like try to tear all that apart, but feminism hasn't made women happier. It hasn't made them safer. I don't think. it's really given them more choices. It's just given them kind of different. choices. Um and children are suffering. the most. And when you tear apart the. family unit, which is what the Marxist. feminists said was their explicit. purpose because property rights are. passed down through men, men uh, you. know, build businesses and own.

properties the most and pass it down to. their kids. So they're like, "We got to. get rid of this fatherhood stuff, the. patriarchy. We got to get rid of the. family unit." Um, especially like the. Leninist ones were like, "Lenn should be. the daddy. >> The government should be the daddy.". >> Um, because. >> Yeah. And you see that with a lot of. socialistleaning cities where they want. the state to be in charge of things like. decisions whether or not a child can. medically transition, that kind of. >> Yes. All that stuff.

>> It It's all there for reasons which are. all detailed in the book, but it's. basically a scam. And I feel like women. have been grossly misled and horribly. propagandized to believe a whole bunch. of that's not even true. And if. they read my book and if they look into. it themselves, they double check all my. sources, they go back and read. everything themselves, and they still. believe it's better for them, that's. fine. But I at least want them to know. the truth and be able to make an. informed decision about. why they're living their life the way. they are and if they believe this sort.

of stuff and if they really accept this. feminist framework or not. >> Well, it's a really really well-ritten. book and it's very fascinating and I. really enjoyed this conversation. >> Well, thanks. I'm so glad that you loved. the book. I was really shocked that you. liked it so much that. >> No, I really did. It was It was very It. was eye opening like like that. How many. of these people were full-on cooks like. that just abandoned their kids and these. are the people that everybody's looking. to like, "Oh, she was a boss lady.". Like, she was a monster. She's this.

horrible person that didn't think anyone. should have children. >> Like, there's so much of that in the. book. It's really, really great. So, here it is. Um, occult feminism, the. secret history of women's liberation. [music]. Rachel Wilson, go get it. >> Thank you. >> Thanks so much. It was fun. Bye, everybody. [music].