Joe Rogan Experience #2457 - Michael Malice

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>> Who's that? >> He's the. >> Do you know who it is? >> Yeah. >> You know the pictures. Pull up Drowning. Girl. Jamie, pull it up. I get to say. it. This guy. >> He's a comic book artist. >> No, he's a. >> pop artist. He drew comic books into. paintings in the 60s. >> You've seen his stuff. >> Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, I have now. >> I've seen them in memes. >> Exactly. >> Like like a man backhanding a woman. >> No, >> no, that's not the meme. >> No, >> no, >> no. Well, he's stepping on her hand. right there.

>> That's That's his It's a guy's hand. >> Oh, it's a guy's hand. Cop, I think. >> Feminine man. >> Oh, Jeff. I love you, too. But okay. The. dots. I get it. >> This was a lot of Yeah. What I wanted to. do, which I couldn't do, I wanted to do. an uncanny valley look. >> And look like a mannequin with like. lifeless eyes and and like kind of like. Lex, right? But that was a lot of money. >> Like CGI from 10 years ago. >> Yes. Or like Yeah. So, I just went with. this. >> Okay. I was on I was [laughter] on.

No, no, no, no. This is I I was on. Jordan's show last January 6th and I had. the QAnon shaman paint my face with his. look and I had a Russian fur hat and I. had the boots and everything and Jordan. Peterson had to sit and talk to me for. three hours looking [laughter] like a. complete mental patient. And you you're. going to forget in a couple minutes, you. know, when someone's [snorts] looking. like this. But for anyone tuning in, it's just like and especially the clips. go wide, >> it it's a lot of fun. >> Oh, I know. I've done dozens of podcasts.

with Duncan where like clowns and. >> fries. Why are they dressed like. astronauts? [laughter]. >> Yeah. I think the internet it's it's. going in a [laughter]. >> Yeah. Wait, isn't it saying like the. face of evil? There's one that's Yeah. The psychology of pure evil. Michael. Malice. [laughter]. >> Uh, how is Jordan doing? Is he okay? I. think he's doing better. I just talked. to Michaela a couple of days ago. Um I. think he's out of the woods. I don't. know how much I'm allowed to say. Uh or.

what's my. >> What happened to him? >> I don't really know. Um I think you'd. have to talk to her. This is really. something I don't uh I don't know what. I'm supposed to. >> He just keeps going through this series. of ongoing health crisises. >> Yeah. And it's very What's what bothers. me a lot is how much glee people seem to. have with this. And and I think uh it's. like I was just saying a second ago, I. think the internet's going in a dark. place. And. >> people people are going in a dark place. The internet's leading them there, but.

it's people. >> Well, I think it's like a snake eating. its own tail. Don't you think? I think. and and when AI starts validating, you. know, your preconceptions. I'm I I am. very scared about the near future. >> I'm very scared, too, because so many. people are so easily led and so prone to. whatever the ideology is at the moment, just full full scale adopting it. I was. on Gutfeld a couple months ago and they. were talking about how Sam Alman said. chat GPT is going to have erotica now. and everyone's like well what's erotica. they're making jokes and I go listen I. said not that long ago um John Hinckley.

shot in 1981 he shot President Reagan. because he thought Jodie Foster was. going to fall in love with him you know. thereby turning her away from men. forever right and I said what happens. when Chad GPT you really hate Trump but. you really hate Joe Rogan or you really. hate Fouchy or Kla Harris and your AI. friend is jinninging you up being like, "Yeah, they're terrible. Do. >> like there's 350 million people. You're. saying out of those 350 aren't going to. try to do something,

>> right? I mean, they've already had Chad. GPT talk people into killing. themselves.". >> I know. I know. And that's. >> whether it's Chad GPT or whatever AI. language model. >> Yeah, I am. And I don't see any breaks. on this and it's happening I think. faster than we can. You know, the whole. point of the paleo diet, not the whole. point, but a large part of the paleo. lifestyle is, you know, our biology has. not kept up with our technology, right? And that kind of makes sense in a food. thing. Push comes to shove, processed. food, you should avoid whole food,

natural food is probably better for you. That's just a good uristic for anyone. But when you're talking about the mind, you know, I people argue are human. beings basically good, human beings. basically bad. And I think human beings. are basically animals and animals can be. enormously collaborative and wonderful. and work together even across species. You see these videos of like a you know. a dog saving a cow or whatever it is. >> But animals are also I don't. [clears throat] need to tell you you. know there's that chimp in all of us. >> Yeah. >> And when that mob starts fmenting like.

people want blood and and they love it. >> Yeah. You also get all this powerful. reinforcement from other people in the. group that tell you that you're doing. the right thing and they support you and. >> and and if you the thing with the. Epstein stuff online is just really kind. of like I remember five minutes ago. right for the for the the blue pill. people on CO if you don't care about. COVID as much as I do and if you aren't. informed as CO as much as I am you want.

to kill grandma right like that's you're. told this explicitly. >> your kids should be taken away from you. should be banned from society, >> right? And and my buddy Lup Perez, who's. a great comic, he had a great tweet. He. goes, "If you don't have COVID, you. can't spread COVID. I can't give it to. you just because I'm a bad person.". Right? But that was the mindset. And now. there's so much. There's what 300 3. million Epstein docs. If you are not as. invested as some people, you are a kid. toucher. You're covering for them. You. want this to happen. You're complicit.

retroactly somehow. >> Yeah. >> And I can't make heads or tails of it. I. had Lucowski on my show who's been a. conspiracy, I'm not saying the negative. way, conspiracy guy for a very long. time. He's worked with Alex. He broke it. down. Then I had Michael Tracy on my. show and he said, "Look, a lot of this. hysteria. I don't know who is right, who. is wrong, but if I have any kind of. skepticism, I am somehow wanting. children to be abused. It's it's. insane.". >> Well, it's also it's like so much of it. is cryptic. Like we don't necessarily.

understand what they were talking about, >> right? And if you say like, "What's beef. jerky?" If it's, here's the thing, it's. obviously kids. It's not just that it. might be kids or probably. It's obvious. And if you're denying that jerky is. obviously kids, you're denying that. people are children. I'm not denying. people children. I'm just saying, "What. if it's heroin? What if it's weapon?" I. don't I haven't read all those emails, but the idea that it's definitely. literally infants, it seems like I want. to see some receipts. >> Yeah, it could be many things. I mean it.

it certainly is a code which right. indicates at least to me that they were. doing something they didn't want people. to know about. >> And I remember with the Pizzagate stuff. I talked about this in my book and. you're right I had to get through this. through the legal cuz there was an email. where it's like oh the the maps or the. flags are really angry today. So they're. obviously not talking about maps or. flags. It was obviously about something. We don't know what. But to pretend that. there was nothing there is also. disingenuous. They're it's clearly code. But how do we know eating is not code?

Also, like eating jerky could be like. beating off, right? Or it could be. killing someone. >> But the idea that No, the eating part is. true. The jerky part is kids. >> I I I And frankly, what bothers me is. don't you want to hope that they're not. eating kids? [laughter]. >> Yeah. Well, it's like people just want. to know and if they already were and. have been doing it for a long time that. seemed outrageous before a gigantic ring. was exposed where there really was a sex.

trafficker who was compromising people. and really was doing it at the behest of. at least an intelligence agency whether. it's ours or the Israelis or whoever it. is. >> or the Russians. >> A lot of people want to say it's the. Russians. Is there any validity to the. Russians? >> I have no idea. The reason I said the. Russians is because I was on Drudge and. the headline was Epstein was Russian. operative. So it was presented on. Drudge. Don't take my word for it as oh. there's the receipts. This is why I'm. saying there's there there's MSAD. connections with him obviously,

especially through Gelain. CIA is a. no-brainer because why didn't they bag. this guy for years, right? I'm I talked. to Kurt Netzer about this and uh broadly. speaking and he makes the point like. these are all interconnected. this idea. that we're going to separate out like. the CIA from MI6 is they're buddies with. each other and and frankly that's in. many cases a good thing. You want to be. working with other countries if you have. international trafficking or or. terrorism or crimes but I don't know we. don't I I can't even finish the. sentence.

>> Right. Right. No, that's but you're. honest. That's why. Now the Russian. thing, is there anything that makes. sense to you to that? What did new. documents show Justice Department. documents mentioned Russia thousands of. times and Vladimir Putin over a a. thousand times reflecting extensive. Russia related communications and. contacts in Epstein's network. Emails, travel records indicate, okay, so. there's real something to it. >> Epste made multiple trips to Russia, obtained business visas, had scouts.

there recruiting young Russian women for. him. Of course, similar to his. operations elsewhere, the files describe. Epstein cultivating ties with Russian. political and business elites, acting as. a facilitator in deals and. introductions, not just sexual. encounters. Epstein repeatedly sought a. meeting or back channel communications. with President Vladimir Putin, at times. suggesting he had advice or insight to. offer about dealing with Donald Trump. He had documented ties to at least one. former Russian official with a.

background in the FSB. whom he used to gather information on a. woman he claimed was trying to extort. his business partners. >> Well, for sure you're going to have. that. You got a bunch of Russian hookers. that you're bringing over there. Some of. them are going to try to explog. The KGB for decades, for like almost a. century, was blackmailing Americans. This is one of the big reasons why you. couldn't be uh there were restrictions. against gays because if you were gay at. a time when it was socially unacceptable. and the Russians found out about it,

they flipped you cuz they would sit you. down and they'd be like, "Look, we know. we're going to out you or you're going. to play ball." And in those situations, you're going to play ball. This is a. huge scandal for a long time. >> And that's a big There's a lot there's a. large percentage I don't know what the. population is of these undercover gay. politicians. >> Oh. Oh, yeah. How many politicians? I. mean the bureaucrats like people working. for Johnson and and FDR this was a thing. and they would know. >> and they would they would they would. have honeypotss. >> Mhm. >> It wouldn't be hard at that time, >> right? And for men, it's so easy to get.

us. >> Like God, it must be hard to get women. Yeah. How would you blackmail a woman? I. mean, well, how do you trick them into. some guy they shouldn't be. And why would anybody care? See, no one cares. Like if a woman has. an affair on her husband and has sex. with some hot guy on an island, everybody's like, "You go, girl." Yeah, Stella got her groove back. >> Yeah, Stella got her groove [laughter]. back. >> How would you How would you Yeah. How. would if I wanted Okay, let's let's. let's walk through this. If there's a. CIA lady and I want to flip her, right?

>> How do I. >> You got to get her to fall in love with. you. >> No. Or you got to get her husband to. cheat. >> or go threaten her kids. You got to. threaten her kids. Threaten the kids. But that's a hard one. >> But that's a different thing than. getting her to do something that she. shouldn't have done out of lust. >> How do you black Yeah. How do you. blackmail a woman? >> Yeah. You don't don't have a That's. probably why a lot of women aren't in. trouble. >> What? Why? They are in trouble. >> Aren't. >> Yeah, they aren't. Yeah. >> Right. Because like I would imagine you. would want them too. There's plenty of. women politicians you'd want to.

compromise. I mean, they did get Stacy. Plask. She was cooperating with Epstein. going back and forth during Trump's. administration. >> Did you see also Kristen Cinema that. lawsuit? >> Oh, no, no, no. I didn't see. >> So, she was the senator from Arizona. She was a centrist and of course they. ran her out of town. >> and she uh broke up a marriage basically. and in North or South Carolina where. she's being sued, you can be liable for. damages if you're like the side piece. >> Oh, I've seen that. >> And in the lawsuit, it's. >> that's a crazy law. >> I [laughter] know.

>> That's a ass law. >> And you're suing a senator. And the. thing and I believe the the filing. completely because the filing said he. had PTSD so she was offering to give him. psychedelics to to help him heal which. I'm sure she did. >> Uh and basically they just start a. relationship. He left the wife and it's. like this is unfortunate but it happens. but she's facing damages now. >> That's so wild that that's a law. Yeah. >> Like what if the person was on the way. out anyway? >> Well, that's his argument. I'm sure.

>> Yeah. I'm sure. >> No, but the case Oh, no. We were a. loving couple. We never had any. problems. Then cinema shows up and now. look at me. But. >> how is that not the man's fault? >> I don't I don't I think it's probably. both. >> Well, I know. Is No, he's she's suing. Cinema. She's not suing the guy, I don't. think. >> That's so crazy. >> Yeah. >> What a stupid law. What? I don't. know. North or South Carolina. >> H there's some of them old school laws. that are so dumb. How is that a law that. people have to be together? Like people.

change their minds on people all the. time. They don't want to be with someone. anymore. You meet someone you really. like and you go, I don't I can't imagine. living the rest of my life without this. person and I've been trapped in this. horrible marriage. I'm out. And. then that person gets sued. She had some. other funny thing about like [laughter]. No, the guy texted her like I think it. was the military and she writes. back only the hot ones. It So there's. like [laughter] So she got all the texts. out of his phone. >> That's funny. >> It's funny. It's a joke, right? But I.

also it's it's like [clears throat] I. think it's when the feminists talk about. the kind of misogyny here. I think there. is a bit of misogyny that you're blaming. the woman and you're not blaming the. guy. >> Oh yeah. For that like the suit the. lawsuit. That's crazy. That is such a. ass lawsuit. North [snorts]. Carolina is one of a handful of states. that allow jilted spouses sue for. alienation of affection to seek damages. from a third party responsible for the. breakup of their marriage. You should. only be able to pay them in tissues. [laughter].

You should pay them in just crates and. crates of tissues. Oh, you get $500,000. worth of tissues. >> It's I I. >> just bring up semis filled with. tissues. >> I just think it's so it's so um. salacious and we shouldn't need to know. this. >> Well, even if we do know it, the law. itself is preposterous. >> Alienation of affection. Well, how. people decide they don't like people all. the time. That's why divorce exists. >> Yes. And one of the reasons divorce.

exists because people find someone they. like more and they go, "Oh, I up. I have to get out of this marriage. I'm. in love with this other person.". >> And you don't always have to get. divorced. There's plenty of marriages. that survive like this. >> Yeah, that's true, too. >> So I What's the counter that you, you're a Like he doesn't like you. anymore. >> But the lawsuit thing is currently you. can get money for that. Kristen Cinema. has to pay this lady money cuz she I. think it's I think she's suing for a. lot. >> How much. >> do you know what the damages are, Jamie? Well, you go high just to settle. >> Yeah, but the fact that the there's no.

se I don't know what the ceiling is. I'm. not an North Carolina attorney, but it's. not cheap. >> It's like I think the ho the side piece. is Oh, the She's not a hoe. She's. basically paying the wife alimony. >> Oh my god. It's real money. >> Yeah, it's no joke. Does it say. >> who would. >> $75,000 in damages? >> That's it. >> Yeah. Also, uh. >> she gave $9,000 to a man she's accused. of. Well, if it's 75 grand, she would. have paid it to shut her up. >> Maybe she just doesn't want to out of.

principle. >> I Let me see. >> It's got to be more than 75 grand. There's no way you're a senator. You're. just going to. >> Maybe this is. >> Maybe because most people have the. reaction that we're having. >> Like no one's outraged. No one's angry. I yeah I think the response is that. >> oh that's. >> yeah she's alienation of affection. nicknamed the home wrecker law and is. seeking $75,000 in damages per her. lawyers. She argued that a complaintant. uh in a complaint that Cinema engaged in. numerous unlawful acts with her.

ex-husband, including but not limited to. having conversations with him, that's. unlawful, meeting him under emotionally and. physically, romantic, and sexual. circumstances, having sexual encounters with him, and. encouraging him to leave his wife. They. she took him to some concert together. I. think it was like like. >> they said they went to a bunch of. concert. >> They went to Copa. I think it was it was. like date night green day, a bunch of. stuff. >> Yeah. Well, is that a physically. romantic and sexual encounter? Is that. what that is? >> Well, I think it's romantic. Take a. [clears throat]. >> Put that back up, please.

>> I was going to those concerts. >> I mean, the lawsuit alleges that in the. fall of 2023, when Cinema's then head of. security resigned, the head disclosed to. Matthew AL concerns that Cinema was. having sexual relation, what a ass. security guard. Uh, sexual relations. with other security members. The. security head urged Matthew Amill to. leave, but Am refused. side of the job's. financial. >> I love the idea like you don't want this. gig, she she'll you. >> She's her security guard. >> Yeah, more power to her.

>> She's a wild [laughter]. >> While on the job, Matthew Amill had at. one point informed his ex-wife, according to her complaint, that should. he and Cinema be together on a work trip. to Napa Valley, California, it would. have appeared as if they were on a. romantic getaway. Huh. Uh 2024, Heather Aml discovered that. Cinema frequently messaged her. ex-husband on Signal, which included a. picture of the former senator wrapped in. a towel and a suggestion that he bring. MDMA. Yeah, let's go Kristen. The drug.

commonly known as Molly or Ecstasy to a. rope work trip so that Cinema could. guide him through a psychedelic. experience. Wink wink. In March of 2024, Matthew Emil informed his then ex his. then wife that while he was serving as. cinema security at an event the former. senator was having getting handsy and. that she held his hand and touched him. According to the complaint, Matthew Am. expressed that he didn't know how to get. out of the situation without offending.

cinema. >> She was also the first bisexual member. of the Senate ever. >> What a good kid. >> So, you know she's a freak. >> What a good kid. Molly towels pictures. She's got my vote. >> I'm I'm vote for again. She should run. for president. >> She cinema for president. >> Let's go, Cinema. Come on. She's a. centrist. That's what America needs. You. want a women president? >> Let's go. Let's get a freak in the. office. >> Uh we have a freak in the office. >> He struggled to admit the a to the. affair, the complaint says, but. expressed that he wanted a divorce.

>> Oh, he struggled to admit to the affair, but expressed that he wanted a divorce. After a November work trip, Heather and. Matthew Amill separated. Her complaint. alleges that her ex-husband and Cinema. remain romantically involved. Cinema and. Matthew Amill both appeared at a forum. in October. Um, are they still together? >> I don't. >> Those don't last. >> It's only six states. >> Chicks get bored once they win. Once. they win and they get you, I'm like, who's next? >> Who the hell knows what's.

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order. Near beer terms and condition and. certain limitations apply. Athletic. Brewing Company fit for all times. >> She the the security guard said. explicitly. She's boning all the. security guards. It's like it's like you. know she's going through that. >> She's a freak. >> Yeah. More power to her. >> Yeah. Like look, we uh we don't have any. problem with men that do that. >> I think we do. >> Well, we do now. >> Some people do. I don't. >> There's two types of people that want to. be leaders. >> War mongers and hounds. I prefer. the hounds. Don't leave your wife.

alone with them. But I prefer them. because at least they're just trying to. get sex. They're not trying to blow up. the world and conquer and like they want. to be Genghask Khan. Well, actually, >> is it your position that Lindsy Gro is. not a hound? Is that. >> It is my position that Lindsey Graham is. allergic to. [laughter and gasps]. >> Yeah. Wait, are they. >> They asked him if you know he was going. to run for president. You know, he's. single. Yeah, but he's single. Yeah. And. uh you know what about a first lady? He's like, "Maybe I'll have a bunch of. first ladies.".

>> Oh my. Did he say that? >> He said something along those lines. >> I remember. >> Which is never something a man would say. who's into women. >> Barbara Mckowski, uh, who was this. senator from Maryland for many years, who was like 411 hobbit creature, clearly gay, more, no disrespect to her, she was asked about it and she turns to. the guy next to her, is like, "Hey, good-looking." It was something like. that. It was so cringe and awkward. Yeah. So, what did Lindsey Graham say. about uh having many first ladies? >> Oh my god.

>> Said have it he mentioned his sister as. someone who could fill in for the role. It says, >> "Oh, okay. >> He would have a ro quote rotating first. lady. >> because like what Dolly Madison did that. like there was one of the first early. founding fathers was a widowerower. So. the daughter. >> his sister first and then rotating first. lady." What year was this when he was. running? >> 2015. >> Yeah. Hey, >> do you remember the thing I remember. about his campaign is Trump had a rally. and he gave out Lindsey Graham's phone.

number, right? He did. Oh, you don't. remember this? So, this is the best. part. No, no, this this is so insane. So, [laughter] Trump is like, cuz. Lindsay would call him for campaign. donations and and Trump's like, "If you. guys don't agree, let's give him a. call." He holds up the page, goes, "Uh, 345 blah blah blah." And Lindsay, yeah, [laughter] look at that face. Look at. HIS FACE. WHAT? WHAT IS THIS WORLD we're living. in? >> No, no, no. But hold on, it gets even. better. So Lindsay, like, how do I. reclaim the narrative? Lindsay filmed a. video of him taking his phone and.

breaking with the hammer. And I'm like, but you still have the same number. You. just broke your own phone. You're not. trolling Trump at all. It's like, if I. >> You just broke a device. You could have. gone to Verizon and had your number. switched. You my license plate and. I wrecked my own car. I'm not trolling. you. I'm trolling me. I'm like, does no. one realize this? Doesn't make any. sense. It was so crazy. >> Everyone's so performative. >> Is there someone who's a wararmonger? Well, Bill Putin's a hand. >> Is he though? >> I Yeah. Did you not.

>> He's more of a wararmonger, >> but he's both. Did you not see Topless. Girls? >> Oh, really? >> There he was. >> Here he goes. He's throwing it in the. blender. >> Oh my gosh. >> He's hitting it with a hammer, a golf. ball. Oh, lightning on fire. >> Oh, let me see that swing. >> Let me see that bad show. He put Red. Bull in with the phone. What's that. about? >> I think it's gas lighter fluid. No, >> he didn't even get to. >> Oh, it is Red Bull. Why is it Red Bull? >> He hit it with a golf swing. He lit it. on fire. Like, this is so cringe.

>> But it doesn't make any sense. >> Put it in a. >> bagel oven. [laughter]. Is that pizza bagels? >> Oh my god. What's wrong with this dude? >> But your number's the same. >> What a silly That's back in the. old footphone days, too. >> Yeah. 2015. Wow. He was still rocking a flip phone. back then. No iPhone. >> People are rocking them now again. because of uh surveillance things. My. friend Dave has one. >> Does a flip phone help you? >> I think so. >> How so? >> I don't know. I'd have to ask Dave. >> You can still get all those textbooks.

>> I think the Oh, cuz the people No, I. think you're spending less time on the. internet. >> That's true. Yeah, but you could also. just spend less time on the internet. >> Yes, that is also an option. I think. that's a healthy option. I think. >> you could do it. Do you know what I. here? I want to hear your thoughts on. this. >> So during co there was a huge. uh amount of time that everyone's. spending online. Everyone's obsessing. about co we're all everyone's constantly. agitated. >> and my concern is. >> that these social med Mark Zuckerberg's.

job is to keep you on Facebook as much. as possible, right? >> All that data that they had during co is. still there, right? And I think all. these social media companies are still. keeping us in a constant state of. agitation. So you're stuck watching. these screens and it's really doing harm. and it's not getting better. >> That's a fact. >> Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah, that's a fact. Well, isn't he. testifying? They're they're testifying. soon uh about whether or not they set up. their algorithms to harm children. They.

set up their al algorithms to addict. children to uh their social media. platforms. >> Well, you remember Elsagate? >> Elsagate? Yeah. >> Yeah. That was the whole thing. >> Yeah. Explain that to people. >> Well, Elsagate was this I I still don't. think we have an answer. People made. these They don't even know where it came. from up in overseas. There are these. bizarre YouTube videos with millions of. views where it would be like the Hulk. but he's like sniffing kids feet and. Elsa's just doing like putting in a cage.

like bizarre things that is kind of. sexual but not really and you don't know. what the purpose is but because they. were like gaming the algorithm you know. YouTube this Trump got in trouble with. this when Trump was sharing that video. the very end of it went to a Lion King. video making fun of the Democrats. There's that one of the as apes from the. beginning. They cut there and it looked. like he was sharing that. It was just. the next video that was queued up and it. looks like Trump shar video of the. Obamas as apes on purpose. >> Well, they were all in it in the same.

video, but it was like Hillary was a. wartthog. Obama or Biden was also an ape. and he was eating a banana. >> Pritsker was the king and and Trump came. out as a lion, >> right? But the point is I think what he. posted he posted only the first second. >> I don't think he posted it. >> Yes, he did. is I thought it was an. intern. >> Well, the point I mean it's from his. account. >> Well, someone reposted it, right? Right. That's what it was. >> No, he reposted somebody else. >> I think his his is. >> intern. But the point is anyway with. Elsagate, kids start watching one video.

and the algorithm just snags them and 1. hour later they're watching completely. deranged stuff. The Elsagate thing was. weird too because a lot of it was like. old cartoons and uh what people were. saying is that if your child like say if. you give your child an an iPad and it. goes from one YouTube video to the next. and then show suggest those got lumped. in there and you would click on it and. it was all a sudden like. >> someone would get a bottle broken over. their head. There'd be blood everywhere. It was really weird, >> right? And it's.

>> and it's like a Mickey Mouse cartoon. >> and there was no utility to this. >> Are those still available? I'm looking. at the Wikipedia says it's kind of it's. continued but it's switched from like. the it's whatever's popular at the time. for kids. So back then it was Frozen or. whatever and now it's like Minecraft. >> What are they doing though? Like why why. are they sense. >> like what why would they have these. cartoon characters get hit over the head. with bottles and cuz you remember that. one like a lot of them they would get. drunk and fall and break their head on a. countertop or something. >> or they'd be covered I think this was. another one they were covered in dots.

for no reason. I'm like I'm not even. kidding. It was just like, "What is. going on?" Or they're eating weird. stuff. >> So, does YouTube remove those videos? Because there's plenty of violent videos. on YouTube. Like, is it because they're. Or do do they put like an age. restriction on them? >> I don't think they did because what's. the age restriction? There's nothing. sexual. There's nothing. >> Well, violence. >> But some of them were just weird. >> Yeah. Some of them were just. >> like lots of shots of feet. >> Was And there was all There was a lot of. ones where kids got left alone with.

creeps. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Cartoons. >> Very strange. >> There's also live action stuff. >> Oh, really? >> Yes. And it's just like who are these. people filming this? And for what? I saw. another one. There was this channel. which has millions of views for each. video. And it's things like turtles. vomiting up fish like dead fish like. live action or dead fish coming from the. ground as if it's it's I I don't. understand what the point of this is. Do. you remember um during Benghazi they.

tried to blame the attack. >> on [clears throat] this video? >> Oh my god. >> You remember that? >> Of course. >> That was the the propaganda was that. there was some video that no one had. seen, >> right? >> Like some terrible video. >> Some really that got everyone all riled. up, right? >> Yeah. That got the Muslims riled up and. that's why they attacked. >> And there was also Well, she was also. blaming the 2016 election on ads on the. dark web. It's like how many people on. the dark web? Do you even know what it. is? What are you talking about? >> Ads on the dark web flip the election. That's hilarious.

>> That's insane. >> 50 incelss, >> right? [laughter]. >> In a chat room. Like, but that's that. was she says this all the time, Hillary, to this day. >> Well, she just says it, you know, like. she doesn't have to be credible anymore. It's like we just assume we just know. that that kind of communic like if. you're having a one-on-one conversation. with her just privately and she started. talking like that, you'd be like, "What. are you talking about? This doesn't make. any sense. Do you really believe that. when. >> she got clowned in Europe this week? >> I did with the Czechoslovakian guy. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> It was funny. >> It was very funny. >> But the way she was interrupting too, you you want women to have their rights. taken away. Like what? That's not what. he's saying. He's literally talking. about all this crazy these gender. transitions and people were really like. they'd had enough with the immigration. People had had enough. You don't you're. pretending that's not real. Like this. way forward. Like if the Democrats want. to have a way forward where they connect. with people, you got to admit that. there's some reason why people were. responding the way they did to a. open border to men playing in women's.

sports to all this G gender. transitions of children. Like people. were freaked out. And not just. Republicans. A lot of people. >> Yeah. Karen's a swing voter. Karen. doesn't like this kind of stuff. >> Yeah. >> Uh I don't know if you saw Did you see. Nancy Pelosy's retirement video? >> No. Well, you laugh, but you Nancy. Pelosi is probably the smartest. politician in Washington in terms of. being crafty. Like, she knows how to. get a bill passed. She knows how. to make people walk the plank. So, she's. retiring from Congress this year. She. had this 10-minute long video about, you.

know, saying goodbye to San Francisco. 10 minutes. She talks about AIDS at. length, right? Uh because obviously it. affected San Francisco. Doesn't mention. the word gay once, even in the context. of AIDS. Doesn't mention LGBT. Doesn't. mention black people, people of color. She mentions how much she loves going to. church. St. Thomas of Aisi and Veterans. Day. So I'm like, she knows what you're. saying. You got to pivot and start. talking to people about pocketbook. stuff. But then Gavin Newsome recently d. undid his, you know, he backtracked with.

Charlie Kirk when he's just like, yeah, I know about about uh men and women's. sports and now he's doubling down on. trans kids, which is. >> Is he really? >> Oh yeah, he just started doubling down. >> God, how does he think that that's going. to work now? >> I think he thinks he's got to get. through that primary, >> right? But do you does he not know that. people are done? >> No, cuz I'm sure he has better polling. than you or I. And I'm sure. >> maybe I'm just naive about California. >> Well, it's not California. It's the. Democratic base who's going to vote for.

him. >> You know, he's also killed his mom. >> What? >> Yeah, he's he did a sister and his mom. He bragged about it to the Washington. Post. >> You didn't know this? >> No. What was wrong with his mom, though? I I'm sure it was something awful, but. when I have when I have a hear a. politician talking about something that. personal that publicly, I am not going. to look at it through a positive vein. And this made stuff is in 14 states now. Do you know this? >> Yeah. Well, in Canada, it's off the. hook. >> You know, Kelsey Sharon, I've been. talking to her about this. She. completely blew my mind. So, first it.

used to be because it's always a um Oh, yeah. 55. long battle with breast cancer, deeply. personal event. and he is described as a. complex experience involving assisted. suicide. The Washington report. Washington Post report and his memoir. expressed deep grief and remorse. regarding her death. >> Remorse is a very dark word in this. context. >> He was 34 and a San Francisco supervisor. at the time. Yeah. But maybe it was his mom's.

decision and he helped her. Look, if. you're dying of terminal cancer and your. body's rotting out, I feel like just. like you put a dog down, like there. there's times where I think assisted. suicide is probably a good option if. there's no hope and you're just going to. be in agony for months. >> And there's times where people have. gender dysphoria and it's a good thing, >> right? That was different. >> Hold on. It's not My point is people. like Blair White, Brianna Woo, you know, they have gender dysphoria. It's. perfectly appropriate to call them. they.

they you know it's otherwise very. disturbing. Five minutes later, once it. becomes a political issue, it's anyone. who just puts on a dress. Right? >> So, the point that's that Kelsey has. been going on with Canada is now they're. going after people who are depressed. They're going at people who are. disabled. They're going after kids. And. the darkest thing that's happening over. there, which they're importing here, is. the old people are extremely expensive. for the system, right? If you have. socialized health care, I don't know. what the number is, a huge number. Towards the end of your life, you're. racking up those bills. So there's a.

huge incentive for that government to. get you off of their ledger. So now. they're having this movement where let's. all get together and have grand we're. all going to go kill grandma. Five. minutes ago if you don't if you don't. wear the co mask you want to kill. grandma you're a bad person. Now if you. don't want to kill grandma you're a bad. person. You don't want to end this way. You were such a strong person. Die with. dignity. Blah blah blah. It's not always. terminal stuff. And in Europe, they're. having it with teenagers who are. depressed.

>> It's and you know perfectly well, everyone listening to this knows it's. not a slippery slope. It's an elevator. shaft. >> Is this. >> This is the back door. >> Is that financial incentive? >> It's a huge financial incentive. Think. about it. If you're old and you're. $1,000 a day and the government's paying. it, if I get rid of you, look how much. I'm saving, >> right? And. >> and you're Oh, you don't want to be a. burden to your family. >> What? You don't want to have them. sitting by your bedside. Come on. It's happening here. >> New York just passed it. It's 14 states.

It's being and no one's passed it. >> New York just passed it. >> Oh, you see Mandami is like he's trying. to figure out a way to use his budget. His budget is higher than the entire. budget of the state of Florida, which. has three times more people. >> No, it's not. Is it? Yes, it is. Yeah. The budget for Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Look it. up. [clears throat] That. >> the budget for New York City is larger. than the budget for the state of. Florida. Holy, I did not know this. >> Yeah, I'm pretty sure this is true. Uh, we should look it up, but uh I was.

reading an article about it today, unless the article's completely full of. They were saying that it's several. billion dollars more for New York City. than it is for the entire state of. Florida, which has roughly three times. as many people living in it. >> Holy. Is that true, Jamie? I'll try to. >> um I I just I go back, you know, once a. month to do Gutfeld. And I can't believe. I'm saying this as a former New Yorker, but I like LA better now than New York. >> Whoa. >> It It hurts me physically to say, >> what's wrong with New York now?

>> There's no. >> Here it is. [clears throat and cough]. >> Eye popping amount. Insider called. Insanity is up around 11 billion from. the current year. >> That's like 9% up. a record $127 billion. budget proposal on Tuesday. The. socialist leader, city leader plan. includes a whopping 9.5% proposed. property tax hike. >> 9.5 hike. >> on New Yorkers, which he claims would be. a last resort while allocating another. $1.2 billion for migrants.

>> Migrants. >> What's the Florida budget, [clears throat] Jamie? >> Uh, scroll down a little bit. Okay. Uh, wow. >> But that's what. >> Oh my god. It's the same. It's about the. same. >> Yeah. The New York one would have been. that this year, I think. >> Yeah. But it's comparable. Holy crap. >> So it's not three times more or whatever. the it is. More. [clears throat]. >> No. Three times more people. Right. >> Right. So that is triple per capita. >> Yeah. Triple per capita. So the budget. of Florida.

House is 113.6 billion to 115 billion. And the New York proposal is. 127 billion. So it is more. >> Holy. >> So New York City is their budget is more. than the entire state of California with. three, excuse me, state of Florida with. three million more people or three times. the people. >> Holy proposal, but for this year it's. the it would be this about the same. because if it's 11 million, that's 116. That's the same. >> But it's the point is it's still.

>> it says it's up 11 billion from the. current year. >> It's it's still a proposal though. He. hasn't passed it. >> Well, he's not. Yeah, he's a. psychopath. Like, the the the amount for. migrants is crazy. There should be zero. dollars for illegal immigrants. >> I I don't think you can have zero. because if they're going to be there, they're going to be you have to feed. them. You have to take You have to do. something with them. >> Like, literally, if if you don't feed. them, they're going to be robbing. stores. They have to Human beings need. food. What are you going to do? You. >> get them jobs.

>> How are you going to get a migrant a. job? uh get him a job in Guatemala. >> Wouldn't you rather give them food than. a job? I don't want them taking American. citizens jobs. [clears throat]. >> Well, the whole thing's a mess. >> The whole thing's a mess. But the point. is you can't just throw them away, right? That's the problem. >> Unless you're going to remove them from. the country, >> right? Unless you remove if you even if. you want to put them in jail, that's not. cheap, >> right? That cost a lot of money, >> right? So, what are you going to do? I I. remember um Piers Morgan had this. amazing interview with my favorite. British politician, Dian Abbott, who is. really special needs clearly. And in the.

UK, you have the the government which is. members of parliament from the uh uh. majority party and then you have the. minority party which has a shadow. cabinet. So if there's a secretary of. state, the dem Rubio, the Democrats. would have a Democrat equivalent who. would deal with those issues. And she. was their shadow home secretary which. deals with immigration. And he goes, Diane, if the Labor government wins the. next election and you have illegal. immigrants here, what do you do with. them? Do they get to stay? Do you have. amnesty? You're going to deport them? And he goes, she goes, "Peers, the.

coutry uh system is not fit for purpose. It's terrible. We'll be more efficient. and more fair." And he goes, "Right, gotcha. There's an illegal immigrant. Do. they get to stay or are they deported? I've explained this to you." And she's. just It was just this amazing thing. >> Circular. >> Yeah. [clears throat] I love her. >> Um, how much money do they give to poor. New Yorkers? Oh, it's not. It's going to. be a lot. But is it the same amount? >> Look at this. >> Okay,

so 7.54. billion to fill cliffs across six major. unbudgeted needs. >> Just to say though, they haven't raised. property taxes there in over 20 years. >> Is that true? >> That's what this says. It's 25 years. since September. >> Well, the property taxes are high. >> I'm just just a point. But I I. understand they haven't raised it, but. they shouldn't raise it. >> because it it goes with as property. values go up, the percent's going to go. up, the revenue is going to go up as. well. >> Exactly. There's no reason to raise like. this idea that they haven't done it, so.

they should do it is crazy. >> Oh, look at that. So if your condo is. 120 grand, which is no condo is going to. be that cheap. >> Uh you're paying like 15% every year in. property tax. >> Yeah. >> That's not nothing. >> That's not nothing. I think the idea is. that rich people are just going to pay. it and this is what they're trying to. push. Meanwhile, people are going to. flee just like they've done in other. countries when they've done sort of. wealth taxes. >> That's 1,200 bucks though.

>> A month. But the the So 1,200 a month. Yeah. >> 1,200 for the year. >> A condo? No, it's. >> assessed at $120,000 would go from. paying 14,000 to 16,000. But that's a. condo that's assessed at $120,000. Good. luck finding a condo assessed at. $120,000 in New York City. >> 14,000 divided by 12 is. >> well for that particular condominium. unit. >> from 15,000 to [clears throat] 16,300. That's that's a difference of. >> 1300. >> Oh, I see. I saw you talking about.

>> that's 12% on $120,000. Now do a $55. million condo. >> This is a $3.2 million one. the really. the really wealthy people are. responsible for a large percentage of. the tax income in New York City. I think. it's the upper 1%. See if what I think. the upper 1% of New York City are. responsible for 50% of the tax revenue. >> It's got to be something crazy. >> It's something crazy like that. See what. the actual number is. So the thing about. that actual number is those are the.

people that are going to leave because. those are the people if they own. multiple properties in New York City and. then he hits him with this tax and it. winds up being an ex excessive amount of. money and then they're planning on. taxing people if they leave. This is. like what they proposed in California. They've also proposed this I think in. the Netherlands to try to stop people. from leaving right where you have to. still have to pay taxes. >> France was doing some weird thing. I. remember when Deardu was leaving they. were trying to do something. They're all. just trying to steal money. Top 1% of. New York City income. Yeah. Earners paid.

48% of the city's personal income tax. liability in 2021, the most recent year. with detailed data. Why is the most. recent year 5 years from ago? Um, the. PIT share equates to roughly 11% of New. York City's total tax revenue. PIT. accounts for 23% of overall city tax. collections. So, it's a lot of money. 48% of the city's personal income tax. liability is an enormous amount of. money. So property tax is 45%. That's. where they get all their money from, which I can understand because you can't. take the Empire State Building somewhere. else, >> right? But if you're jacking all that.

up, top 1% paid 40% of PIT shares may. have declined post 2021 due to lower. capital gains. >> But he did do something I liked. So him. and Kathy Hokll had this thing where now. where they're trying to streamline, I'm. sure there's some catch to make it. easier to build because they're. understanding if if rents are high, demand, increasing supply is going to. lower costs. So, if they do that, I. think that's a great thing, obviously, which I never saw coming. >> Right. That is that's definitely good. But there's still people are just they. don't like that kind of leadership. It's.

spooky. >> I I'm much more concerned about he has. someone on his in his cabinet or. proposed to be in his cabinet who's. concerned with decarceration. And the. princ the principle is we got too many. people in jail. Now, maybe that might be. true broadly speaking, but when you. apply that on mass and not on a case- by. case basis, who are you going to be. letting out? Because I don't think this. this claim people used to have that. like, oh, all these people are in jail. because of weed, they're not. And. certainly not in New York City. When I. was on a grand jury and these weed cases.

came along, people wouldn't even indict. them. They're just like, we're not. taking part of this. This is BS. And now. it's legal. >> So, for you to get to look at what's the. guy who uh uh was under Jordan Neely, was that his name? What he had? 40. arrests. the one who punched that girl. in the face, the old lady in the face. and tried to kidnap a girl. >> So for you to be in jail in New York, it's not nothing, >> right? >> Yeah. And why why would they want to do. this? >> Cuz their principle is the system or. society, whatever you want to call it,

whatever term for it is, is c making. people who are marginalized desperate. So they act out. So instead of putting. them in jail, which helps no one is the. argument, we should be working with them. systemically to kind of normalize and. make productive citizens out of them. >> And what's their plan for that? >> Yeah, you have welfare programs, different training programs, just throw. money at it. >> Huh. >> And here's the thing. I can understand. that argument. Maybe if someone's. stealing bread to feed their family,

I've never understood how I'm really. poor, so I'm going to hold a woman down. and do bad things to her. That's not a. thing. >> Or just randomly punch people in the. streets or throw people in front of. trains. [laughter]. >> Yeah, >> that's right. It's like that's not a. It's not cuz you're late to your job. interview that you shove somebody in. front of the six train, >> right? Yeah, it's dark, man. >> It's very dark. But I LA is not as dark. as this from what I I think in LA there. is this still this sense of hope. >> really cuz people I talk to in LA.

everyone I know knows someone broken. into. >> like the home invasions. >> Oh that's right that's a thing. >> they're up in a huge way. >> I'm just comparing two different kinds. of cancer. >> and I'm saying the cancer in LA. >> is better than the cancer in New York. >> Yes. Because I remember growing up and not. that long ago with New York, there'd be. this you could find some new. neighborhood and there'd be some, you. know, cool ice cream store, some sock. store, whatever, button store, cool f.

little spots, and it would be a fun. adventure. Just walk around and just. walking different places. And that's. gone, is it? Yeah. You can't open up. some weird little store in New York. anymore. The rent's through the roof. Like it's the crime is through the roof. It's miserable. LA has these little. pockets which I enjoy seeing. >> So, what's the solution for New York. after this guy's out? >> Do you think that it ever turns around. or do you think it keeps going in the. same general direction? And do you think. the powers that be want it to go in this. general direction?

>> It always turns around. So, John. Lindseay was mayor in the late60s during. like the summer of love stuff. >> Uh, you had sexual assaults through the. roof. You remember New York was going. bankrupt under a beam when Gerald Ford. was president and Ford the headline the. I think the New York Post was Ford to. New York City dropped dead and that you. know you know cost him some votes and. possibly the the presidency but New York. has these I don't know what the cycle. for Giuliani to win you had to have a. Dinkens you know for Obama to come in. you had to have a Bush so at some but.

here's the other problem there's two. issues one is a lot of people who could. left there didn't used to be a plan B. for New Yorkers New York was its own. thing. >> Now it's Florida. >> Now it's Florida or Austin. >> Yeah. >> And New York isn't New York anymore. Cuz. Fran Liberitz, my my second favorite. public speaker, she had this point. She. goes, "Look, there's a lot of things you. could say about a city that's full of. rich people. You could say it's good. You could say rich people are bad. You. can't say it's interesting. And unless. there's a space for young people of. nothing to lose.

>> who are going to bring culture and. innovation, >> artists, >> artists of broadly speaking, not just. little painters, but artists, >> it was Williamsburg, it was the Bowery. before that, you know, there were little. pockets of magic. And I I read hook I. remember there was a bar called Lilies. and all of Red Hook was deserted and. there's this one light open and I came. to this bar and there were this amazing. singers and it was like a mystical. experience and there'd be street art but. that's you can't do that now. >> Friend of mine's girlfriend used to work.

in this place called Den of Thieves. >> Oh, okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. And you there was no sign, >> right? >> You go in there this dingy little hole. in the wall. This place is so cool. >> It's so cool. But you can't do that. anymore. >> No. So, and I don't think under this guy. there's going to be that uh return. >> So, so do you think he's just appealing. to this base of disenfranchised young. people that have been told that the. reason why they have all these problems. is rich people are greedy and they've.

ruined everything and we should tax the. rich and we'll feed the poor. I think he. is speaking to a lot of so people on the. right think everyone on the left is like. a big monolith. They're not. And I think. there's a lot of lefties, especially. young lefties, who don't think the. Democratic Party is an effective. mechanism toward resolving their issues. and concerns. And he's not he's unlike. Trump wasn't really a Republican. He's a. Republican on paper. He had no. allegiance to the Republican party. He. took them all out one at a time. This. guy is a Democratic socialist. He has no.

uh in 1934 when Upton Sinclair ran for. governor of California after years of. running as a socialist, he goes, "People. vote for the party their grandparents. voted for." So he's a Democrat on paper. He's a leftist obviously, but he's a. Democrat on paper. Cuomo was the. establishment hack. And he's like, "Look, it was like Obama in08. Do you. want to go with this old party hack or. this young guy who's got a different. vision?" And he definitely does have a. different vision. This isn't how, you. know, Hillary would govern New York City. or or or uh or even Eric Adams or or.

some of these others. It's. >> Well, I think one of the big reasons he. won was that debate where he said that. he wouldn't go to Israel. >> You think that's a big big one, New. York? >> 100%. I think that was an enormous. shift. I I. >> I would say that's a 10 15% shift. >> 10 15. >> huge. We have. >> absolutely huge. I think I think the. polling is horshit because it's only. people so stupid they answer. polls. >> Like who are those people? >> I think there's. >> I think there was a giant cultural shift. where people like right shouldn't we be. paying attention to New York? Why are. all these people saying they want to go. to Israel? Why are they saying that?

Who's paying them? Why are they saying. that? That's an odd thing to say. No. one's saying the first thing I'm going. to do is visit Belgium. They're not. saying that. They're saying we're going. to go to Israel. >> Sure. But there's also a huge Jewish. population in New York City, right? So. when Cromo tapped into that, I don't. know. I don't think Mumani was somehow. outed right as an. >> anti politicians like the percentage of. people that are Jewish in New York City. is small in comparison to the people.

that think that New York City should be. the main focus of attention and not. Israel. And I think when you have all. these politicians that are doing things. that don't make sense to most people, like saying the first thing I'm going to. do is visit Israel. What are you talking. about? This city's a mess. And then this. guy comes along and says, I can serve. the Jewish people of New York City. better in New York City. >> And he had a large Jewish uh percent of. Jewish vote. My point is I don't think. that that number happened because of. debate. I think that was part of his. appeal from the beginning. Well, I think.

for fence sitters though, that debate. was big because you got to see one guy. who's like, "This is a solution to this. system that we have been just replacing. the heads of the people that are in. charge, but it's the same exact. mechanism.". >> No, that's that's what I was saying. earlier that he's not a member of the. Democratic party. Cuomo is this old. party hack and he's like, "Look, let's. throw all that stuff in the garbage. This is something innovative and new.". This was the argument Obama made in '. 08. And he's not wrong, >> right? like he when he when he had his. inaugural speech and he said, "We're.

going to get rid of the cold whatever uh. uh uh grasp of capitalism and be. embraced by the warmth of collectivism.". No Democrat is saying things like this. This is something completely new and. completely innovative. So, how it's. going to look in practice. Here's the. other thing, though. The mayor of New. York has a a ceiling to what he can do. So, I would not if I'm He's 34, I think. He's young. I don't If I'm sat in that. office and I'm up against the New York. City real estate uh um uh uh industry,

it's not going to be easy fight for me, >> right? >> Trump had to learn this the first term. It's like just because you're president. doesn't mean people are going to bend. the knee, >> right, >> and play ball. So, who knows what this. is going to look like? [sighs]. >> And it's not just New York City. Seattle's doing the same thing. What are. they doing? Seattle, they elected a. full-on Congress. That's right. Yeah. Who lived with her parents. >> and hasn't had a job, lives off her. parents. >> Well, this is also a big concern with. the Democrats in general. But both.

parties, when you have the base and the. establishment who are basically just. gangsters who are uh doing. moneyaundering and you have the kids who. are like, "We've been screwed over. hearing this for for for. decades. Let's have an alternative.". What do you do when you're Nancy Pelosi. and you're Chuck Schumer and you're to a. lesser extent Hakeim Jeff and these. people are coming up the kids wanting. Democratic socialists? I don't mean. kids. I mean young people who are. idealistic and they're like you're we. tried your way. It didn't give us.

He gave us Trump. What do you tell them? >> Yeah. What do you tell him? >> You give there's no answer. You like. vote for Stenny Hoyer for another 10. years. Like like it's ridiculous. Amy Clolobachar is not going to be your. candidate if you have this democratic. socialist vision. She will not deliver. that for you and she'll tell you that to. her fate to your face. Oh. [sighs]. >> So I think that the um so I think that's. the dance Muome is trying to do.

And I don't see who I I think he'd be. the perfect VP because he's a great. attack dog. He doesn't have to worry. about defending. >> I don't want to be the VP. >> I've heard that, too. But he was uh um. Jerry Brown's number two. He he bided. his time. >> Yeah, but he was Jerry Brown's number. two when he was young and he had never. been the governor. >> Sure. I'm just saying like he would be. the perfect VP for the Democrats. >> I don't think he wants that. I think he. wants to be the king. I think he wants. to ruin San Francisco, ruin California, and then go on to become the president.

>> You don't think he'd have a good shot. >> at being the president? Yeah, >> I think he does. >> He does. He has a great shot. >> I think he does. Yeah. I think people. are that dumb. >> I don't think it's that dumb. I think. you could. >> They're that dumb that they're willing. to vote party line no matter what. And a. guy who's just a good speaker, who's a. good artist, that he could be. able to sweet talk his way into that. position and just fudge data, lie about. stuff. Nick Shirley is in California. right now doing the same thing that he. was doing in Minneapolis. Yeah. And. they've already uncovered. billions of dollars of fraud. Yeah. Oh,

he's making videos about it. >> Oh, wow. >> Same kind of fraud. Medicaid fraud. through the roof. All kinds of crazy. >> Yeah. >> But I mean, I don't know how much that. Minnesota stuff permeated. I mean, it. took down Tim Waltz, which is a one of. the biggest scalps. Like, no one saw. that coming, right? >> But the same thing, you take out Tim. Waltz, here's Clolobachar's governor. It's a hydra. You're not you're not. frankly you'd rather have him. He's more. defeatable than her. >> Does it depend upon how much fraud gets. exposed and who gets connected to that.

fraud and what the investigation. unveils? >> I you're going to have people who listen. to NPR tell you with a straight face. that this fraud happens under any. they'll have a little a list a list of. excuses. It's I it's been investigated. and resolved. This happened what? there's no fraud in Florida and Texas or. what are you saying? Or why are you. targeting the Somali, right? >> So, you're not going to get and at the. end of the day, I think people expect. government to have fraud and if it's in.

Minnesota, you're not really going to if. I'm a Democrat in Minnesota, I'm voting. Democrat. And if I'm Republican, it's. not how many votes is this going to. sway? >> Well, they've done an amazing job in. Minnesota of distracting people from the. Somali fraud by organizing protests. against ICE, right? >> And that's people need to understand. like yes, people are upset about ICE. fact un unquestionably just regular. people at home that aren't protesting. But that protest is not just organized, it's funded. It's heavily funded. organized. They had signal chats with.

Democratic congressmen or Democratic. politicians rather that were involved in. this. There's they knew what they were. doing and they did it because they. wanted to distract from the fact that. this fraud was being exposed. >> Well, I think they would do it. regardless, but yes, it certainly serves. that purpose. >> They totally shifted the narrative. >> Yes. Nobody's talking about the fraud. anymore. Everybody's talking about ICE. being murderers, >> right? >> Yeah. >> So, it worked. That's what I'm saying. If there's more fraud exposed, I don't. know that it's going to work against. Newsome. >> Well, it depends on how the trials lay. out. So, if people wind up going to.

trial over this and people wind up. getting indicted over this, that could. get more interesting because then you. remove it from Minnesota and then it. becomes this federal court thing and so. then it becomes mainstream public news. if they do this correctly. if there is. something there. >> But the thing is you have to worry about. if the judge is going to be complicit. and if the prosecutor is going to be. complicit like and the media is also you. gota kind of fly that arrow through. three hoops that you got to go through. the bushes and make a you got a small. hole shoot through. >> Yeah. >> And then to try to make it indic and.

then it'd be very easy for you to be. like I'm so glad this got exposed. >> I promise you as president this won't. happen in America. And if you want to. talk corruption, look at Trump and all. his sweetheart deals. Blah blah blah. blah blah. Hillary's already throwing. women under the bus about Epstein. They. don't have shame. >> Did you see that? Hillary's like Trump's. in files thousands of times. Like let's. have this conversation. She started. already. >> Right. Right. What does that mean though. when you're in the file thousands of. times? Because he is the guy that was in. contact with the FBI about Epstein. He.

he did contact the FBI after Epstein was. arrested and thank them for arresting. him and getting him because that guy was. a real problem. >> Right. But. >> he did kick him out of Mara Lago in. 2005. >> But she's being factual but not. truthful. So it is factual that his name. is in the files thousands of times. And. then you leave it for the person. listening to make that conclusion. >> Right. That's all you have to say. That's all you have to say. >> We were talking to Don Rawlings. yesterday. He's in the files. >> Who? >> Okay. >> Because Epstein went to visit his show.

went to watch his show at Improv in West. Palm Beach. >> I I I did a search for the word. and the one the one email I found was. someone like, "Can you mail me that. photo where I look fat and retarded?". [laughter]. >> That's it. >> And it's not clear from who. It's too. abstracted. No one wants to know they were admitted. they look fat and. >> or the nwords in there a fair amount. also. >> Well, there's a lot of references to. pizza, you know. There's I think there's. thousands of references to pizza and. jerky. The jerky and grape soda. Yeah.

>> So I thought. >> the grape the thing about grape soda is. grape is like what people do to get. around the algorithm when they're. discussing rape when they don't he. graped them. >> But this was like 2011. I don't think. people knew about that stuff. >> Right. >> And I don't think Epstein as a boomer. knows how to get around algorithms. >> Right. This not an algorithm thing. It's. just a code thing. So, I thought maybe. it's a black thing, but then. >> grape soda. Oh, right. >> Yeah, but then he's racist. There's like. things about don't bring black people.

>> Oh, really? >> Oh, yeah. >> He says don't bring black to that. effect. Yeah, something that something. to that effect. Please double check me. on this, but it was something that he. was not No black girls. >> Oh, no black girls. Interesting. >> Huh. So, yeah. >> I don't think we're ever here. I I the. other thing that I'm kind of stunned at. is there's this belief online that if. there's enough agitation. like Qanon we're all going to have these. mass arrests and I don't see that.

happening and I don't think you can do. anything to force them to release the. really bad stuff if they haven't. >> So what else is left? There's three thou. 3 million other files that they have. >> They said they released everything. Well, they also said there wasn't. anything, >> right? [laughter]. >> You know, when [snorts] Cash Patel was. on here, it's like there's no videos, there's no evidence, there's no nothing. >> The craziest for me was when Pam Bondi. said, "I've got the list and I said to. myself, and I I talked to my friends,

they all agreed with me. I'm like, I. really don't think he had like clients. list. Doc on his desktop. That's not a. thing, right? So, I would I I believe he. doesn't like have a literal list." And. later she goes, "When I said list, I. meant blah blah blah." And I'm like, "But you said list, >> right?" Well, they had those binders. They were all performatively holding. those binders. We have the files. We're. going to go through them. Heads are. going to roll. Nothing happened. >> Right. >> And then Les Wexner, what did he say. today, Jamie? You were saying that he. said, "Man, he was conned or something.

by. >> He's conned. [laughter]. >> I've been seeing online. I don't know. the accuracy that there's a bunch of. missing files from specifically 1999. through 2001, >> right? And that people are connecting. that to 911." Yeah. >> Oh, wait. Wait. 19. >> pre and post 911 are all missing. >> Wait, so Epstein might be involved with. 9/11? >> But I I mean, what's the thumb taxes. string? I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying. >> Well, there's a lot of people that. believe that Israel was involved in 911, >> right? But I don't think Epstein was.

high up in the Israeli decision-making. process. >> Oh, but they're I think they're just. looking for financial records of things. and those are all missing. Um people's. names. pop up. If I found out Muhammad Ata was. a pedophile, I might actually start to. dislike that guy. [laughter]. >> That would really change my opinion of. him. >> I've seen files surrounding 911. >> Wow. Coincidence. Oh, this just came. out. >> Yeah, this is I mean, people are still. digging into this stuff every day. >> Holy crap. >> Why people keep fighting new all.

the time. >> Oh my god. Scroll down. This is. fascinating. >> That cryptic. George W. Bush photograph. >> No, the Clinton ones worse. >> of the art. Yeah, the dress. We have. that outside. >> Yeah, I saw. Yeah, >> they stumbled across something where. there was redacted photos. If you looked. through the files and typed in something. like no photos rendered, >> you could change the PDF tompp4 orov. Thousand videos of videos were popping. up. >> Wow. >> People are starting to watch all those. videos. Some of them are from the. prison. Some of them are from the. island. >> Flight logs starting. Okay. So, >> have they found anything in those.

videos? >> I that's. >> You got to go through them individually, right? >> Yeah. No, people are now that's I don't. again the accuracy I don't know. I've. seen a video where someone said this was. from the video and there's like a girl. crying in it, but I don't know. >> Aderall and autism, do your job. Find those videos. >> That that should be the subtitle of this. show. A real good [laughter] experience. Add all and autism. Do your job. Holy. crap. That's hilarious. >> Oh my god. What a world we're living in. >> You want to talk about I want to talk. about Scott Adams? >> Sure. >> I was just at his memorial. Are you Was.

he ever on your show? >> Yes. Um, I got invited to speak and it. was really a great uh um experience. I. got a because I'm a mental patient. I. got a Dilbert mask and the thing with. the Dilbert mask is there's no mouth, right? So [snorts] Dr. Drew was supposed. to speak and I was going to go there and. do my little terrorism where I was going. to have my little phone and say, "Nice. to meet you. I'm Dilbert." And wave and. then swipe and be like, you know, "Can. you take off your glasses, please?" And. he takes out the glass and be like, "Uh, nice eyes. May I I'm going to take.

them." and just with people at the. funeral like Scott would have wanted. Um, it was really uh great because it. was very upbeat and I was kind of. honored. Gutfeld asked me to Gutfeld. text me. He goes, "Hey, do you want to. speak?" And I go, "I'm be huge honor.". He just goes, "Great." And I'm like, "Am. I actually speaking or you're just, you. know, quizzing me?" Um, I got to see. Cernovich was there, Pobic, a few other. people. and then afterwards went to his. house. And there's something really kind. of um.

eerie about walking in the house of. someone who had just uh passed. His. ex-wife Sherry let me take two of his. markers, which I will, you know, always. treasure and kind of hang in my house. There were two lines I couldn't say at. the memorial because I knew the fans. would get salty, which is, uh, Scott is. in heaven right now doing what he loved. most, avoiding black people. And the. reason Dilbert was a black and white. comic strip is because Scott didn't. really like the colors, >> right? Cuz [laughter] Scott was a. humorist. Just go for the joke, right?

>> Um, but it I mean it it's it's it's. just it's it's weird uh how much he. still resonates, I think, with with. people. Um, and I I don't really have. anything else particularly to say, but I. just felt it was important to kind of, you know, commemorate his passing. because he's really helped me out a lot. in my thinking. >> Yeah. It's a real bummer, man, because. it happened so quickly. His cancer. He. got turbo cancer. >> Well, he had it in January 2025,

>> and he said, "I'm going to wait for my. stepdaughter to get married." And she. was there, and I got to meet her. She. was a lovely kid, uh, to get married and. then I'm gonna do it. And then he. tweeted something out. RFK jumped in. Trump jumped in. They got him this. medicine and they got him a few more. months. And you know, so he got six more. months. Point being with the maid stuff. Just cuz someone's terminal doesn't mean. they don't have months left. You could. do a lot in those months. It was funny. There's another cartoonist. I apologize. I'm blanking his name. And uh he was.

friends with Scott for a long time. Scott had promoted his work once and he. went from like obscurity to like a big. name. And Scott asked him, "Hey, can you. write the forward to my forthcoming. biography?" And the guy's like, "I'm not. really gonna have time." So it like. Scott was that kind of person where he's. just like, "Just because you know I'm. about to meet my maker, I don't want you. to be morose. I I he reframe your brain. is a complete masterpiece because what. he does is he goes through.

>> uh fra mindsets and instantly. recalibrates them. One of them is the. regular framework is I should do great. at my job. And his reframe is my job is. to prepare for a better job. And when. you think about it that way, having that. shitty job isn't that rough because. you're just laying the groundwork for. something better. So when I spoke, I. said the framework is we're having a. memorial for Scott, but the reframe is. we're having a party and Scott's really. late, right? So if you think about that. terms, hey, we're having fun. Where's. this Because he didn't want us.

to be there like moping. He won. He. always was positive. Always was fun even. during that day. So I I thought I just. owe him a lot. >> Did he blame his death on the co shots? >> So he got a lot. This really bothered me. because he'd be tweeting about stuff. People like shouldn't have got the shot. It's like this guy's about to die. Like. this is your gotcha moment. This is your. like I told you so moment. It's just. >> so he he did not blame it. Um, I. wouldn't be surprised if that was the. You saw what just happened. I met James.

Vanderbeek through you. I met him at the. mothership in the green room. 48, six. kids. The wife seemed very sweet and. charming, too. He was just a seemed like. a real chill dude. I haven't seen one. person. >> seemed like a super nice guy. >> Not one person anything bad to say about. him, which says a lot from that kind of. era. >> Yeah. No, he was a sweetheart. >> So, 48, man, that that's that's scary. >> I know. And it's there's an. unprecedented number of young people. that are dying of cancer. In fact, was. it Time magazine that had a cover of it? I saved it because it was kind of the.

cover is kind of crazy because it's. proposing like what is causing these. things and why is this all happening as. if no one knows? >> Yeah, right. Like who what could it be? >> What is this? Some mystery could. be anything, you know? Uh I know I saved. it. >> Something from a year ago. >> Raised to explain why more young adults. are getting cancer. >> Holy crap. >> Yeah. What do you think it could be? Anything weird happened? Do you guys. know what SV40 is? Should probably look. it up. But. >> what's amazing about articles like do. they are does that article make it a.

point to do they ignore the vacc. so-called vaccine or do they downplay it. as the cause? Like those are the two. options, >> right? What did they say in that article? Did. they bring up. >> love to hear that. >> couldn't possibly be you? >> Do you know what really me up. recently? And you're going to laugh in. my face and every Maha person listening. this is going to laugh in my face. >> What? And you could feel free to laugh. at my face because it's covered in polka. dots. Aspartame.

I would drink. My main method of. hydration was Dr. Pepper Zero. [laughter]. It's warranted. I know. This is why I. have the polka dots. And I go to New. York and I'm low on calories for my. macros. And I switched to full sugar Dr. Pepper. So it wasn't the caffeine. And. my thinking changed. And I'm like, this. is And I go online. This has been known. for since. >> you change household. >> I was quicker on my feet. I was having. trouble remembering words, remembering.

names, remembering just being my verbal. cogn uh speed of how I speak is. something that is part of my job and I. was having issues with that. I have. workarounds when I couldn't think of. someone's name or someone's word or I. was having this also. There you go. Research has linked high consumption of. aspartame to impaired memory, spatial. learning deficits, and faster cognitive. decline. in adults under 60. >> Yep. Neuroinflammation, oxidative. stress. Aspartame metabolize metabolites. could trigger chronic micro gile.

activation and increased oxidative. stress in the brain leading to neuronal. damage and potential neurodeeneration. Um, you know who pushed that through, right? Aspartame. Rumsfeld. >> No. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Uh, search that. So, here's the thing. >> Throw that into perplexity. If you're if. you're listening to this and you're. someone like me who was living on it, just try for two days, right? >> Really? >> And you'll know right away if cuz I also. had this low-key anxiety all the time.

Like it was like a one out of 10, but it. was there. I thought, "Okay, it's just. whatever it I thought it's just life.". Nope, it's gone. >> Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of GD Serial in the. late 1970s, early 80s, played a pivotal. role the FDA approval of aspartame, the. artificial sweetener in products like. Neutrieet. >> Holy crap. >> Yeah. Um, so they there was studies back. then um showing approval due to. potential carcinogenic car. carcinogenicity.

risks. Uh, Hayes approved aspartame for. dry food shortly after expanding it to. beverages by 1983. What would there was studies on I think. there was rat studies. >> gave them like Alzheimer's. Well, >> so I am just warning people as much as I. can. Pretend I'm a quack. That's fine. Just give it two days. >> Lay off aspartame. >> and see what happens to you. >> Okay. Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's no. biological free lunch. If you get.

something, it does something positive, it's probably doing something negative. It's if it's some novel potion that. you're pouring into your body, there's. probably some negative aspect of I was. talking to Dr. Mike about this about um. ompic and all. >> brain tumors in rats. >> Yeah. >> Led FDA to stay aspartame 74 approval. Brain t and rats, man. Highlighted high brain tumor incidents. in rat feeding studies and risks from.

phenyl alanine causing convulsions or. mental retardation. Isn't that what they. think killed Tammy Fay Baker? Didn't she. drink like a gallon of Diet Coke. a day? >> Really? >> Yeah. Find that. I think I think that's. what a lot of people because Tammy Fay. Baker I think died of brain cancer. >> Colon cancer. >> Colon cancer. Okay. >> Lungs. >> What's that? >> That spread to her. >> Oh, that's awful. >> Went from her colon to her lungs. >> That's what is she doing? Mass stuff. >> She should call Kristen Cinema. >> I don't think it's contagious.

>> She should call Kristen Cinema. That was. some weird orgies down there. >> Um, >> But wasn't she like a prolific diet coke. drinker? I think she was I think people were. trying to link it. >> Look, it can't be good for you. >> Well, I I. >> tastes like sugar. It's not sugar. It. can't be good for you. >> It did a number on me and I'm happy to. be able to warn people. >> Um. >> scared the out of me when it when. >> I like stevia. Like I like these drinks. called Zevas. They're stevia drinks and.

zero calories. Tastes good, >> right? >> Doesn't quite taste like sugar, but it. tastes good enough. >> I'm just sticking to my water and my. full sugar sodas. I My daughter's like. really good at reading labels and. finding and she was like, "You sure. you're only supposed to drink one of. those a day?". >> I. >> I was like, "Are you sure?". >> Was eating a protein bar this this. morning while getting my face did and I. just look at the label and one of the. ingredients I see is titanium dioxide. I'm like, "Do I really. >> titanium?". Interesting. >> Like what? >> Yeah. >> So that's in me now.

>> Yeah. There's other protein bars. You. don't have to eat that. >> I think they all have that. >> No, I eat carnivore bars. You ever had. carnivore bars? Just like fat and meat. I use M Light is the brand I use. >> Carnivore bars are great. They they they. just taste like like you're eating fat. Fat and meat. >> like Okay. But is that all the. ingredients are? >> Yeah. I don't think there's anything bad. in them at all. I think it's like. [sighs]. >> Pull that company up. Carnivore bars.

>> I'm happy to switch. >> Yeah. I think it's pretty natural. I. don't I don't think there's anything in. there. >> This got to have a lot of salt or. sodium. >> Yeah, there's some salt in there, but. salt's not bad for you. That's all. horseshit. >> Well, like when you're eating TV dinners. and those numbers, that's not bad. >> That's different. TV dinners are filled. with preservatives. Oh, carnivore snacks. is great. This is No. Well, this is. something that I eat all the time. This. is my go-to snack. When I go to the UFC, that's the stuff I bring. I bring that. and you bring it. They don't have it for. you. >> No, I bring it. I bring it because I get.

this. >> I work with this company. So, they send. me a bunch of it. It's great. That but the carnivore bar. So, this. stuff. >> Okay. Purest meal on earth. Two. ingredients. 20 gram of protein, 35 gram. animal-based fat, 400 to 420 calories. from grass-finish beef. Shelf stable, no. refrigeration. >> That's what I eat. >> Okay, send it to me. Send me some, guys. >> I have some. They'll send you some. But. if I had some here, I give I eat those. all the time. I take them with me. I. throw them in my car. It's.

great. If you want to eat something. >> that is what I need. >> Protein. It's got grass-finish beef. tallow. So, you get the fat from beef. tall. Some people don't like the fe the. taste of it. I like it. >> Why do they I like. >> It's kind of mild or bland. >> That's fine though. You're eating it. from. >> trying to get food, >> right? Yeah. Nutrition. >> Yeah. But it doesn't make me feel bad at. all. It feels like food. Like I've tried. some other stuff like I tried those. David bars. Oh my god. I never heard of. that. >> farts I was having. So David bars, they. have some weird uh fat in it that your.

body doesn't digest. >> Like those oene chips, >> something like that. but a new version. of it. And so when this company uh when. they were purchased, they got a monopoly. on that kind of this whatever this. ingredient is and all these other. companies, they blocked it. These. companies that were using it, they. couldn't use it anymore. So a lot of. people were like boycotting David bars. They taste good and they have like a lot. of protein. I think it's like 30 protein. for like 150 calories. But good lord,

the farts I was having. I was like, "This is cuz your body's like, "What is. this?". >> I had that same thing with protein. Cheerios. >> Protein Cheerios. >> Yeah. It wasn't farts. I was having the. trots. But really? >> Yeah. Like it tastes good. >> This is the are you doing? >> Just eat [laughter] just eat some meat. >> Yeah. Well, eat something like carnivore. bars or those carnivore snacks are. delicious. It's just beef and salt. >> That's all those carnivore bar those. snacks are. It's like a beef pastry.

>> Good. >> It's not even like jerky. It's chewy. It's delicious. So, this is a fat sub. lab engineered fat substitute called. EPG, manufactured by a littleknown. Indianapolis based company called. Epogee. After tinkering with the product. formulation, the Fugals set up a website. in 2024 and began promoting the bars at. local bodybuilding shows and farmers. markets. >> It's just an article about the. >> right. So, what does it say that stuff. does? >> Well, I'm. >> so find out what that stuff. It's a fat. substitute. Yeah, >> but it does something where your body.

doesn't digest the fat. Like it doesn't. turn into calories. >> This is promoting them. This is making. it sound great. >> Yeah. There's 58 other mentions of VPG. anymore. >> Yeah. This is making it sound like, oh, they're the it's the best thing ever. They're not mentioning the farts. >> Well, this is probably promoting it. >> Yeah, it is. Yeah. >> Oh, no. This is about the lawsuit. Oh, >> a better Ostra. At the time, fat was the. big culprit for heart disease, which. it's not. Undigestible. Oster was. undigestible. That was its key. attribute. It passed right through the.

digestive tract. Therefore, wouldn't. result in body fat. The problem was its. low melting point in the body, which led. to an infamously polite phrase printed. on the wow labels may cause abdominal. cramping and loose stools. >> Yeah, people were this Pringles. or something, I think. >> Well, this stuff didn't give me loose. stools, but it did did give me like the. devil was farting out of my But. I got to tell you, is that sometimes. fun? >> Farts? >> Yeah. Like when you have a fart that. sounds like a symphony? [laughter].

>> Like when you're old and you start. having new farts? I kind of like it. I'm. just like, how? I still got it. >> Well, this was just like for me it was a. warning sign. My body was like, [laughter] "Hey, this. >> I think it's a warning sign for other. people too, Joe.". >> Um, yeah. Right. Anybody else knew. [laughter] me? So, what is the problem. with that stuff? >> Okay. and problems. >> I guess. >> that's not good. >> So that was the thing they were trying.

to block other people from using it. >> Bloating, gas, and diarrhea. Yeah. >> Yeah. Bloating, gas, and diarrhea due to. sugar, alcohol, >> laxative effect. Wow. >> And the non-digestible fat substitute. That's it. Uh which are poorly absorbed. and can have a laxative effect, especially in larger amounts. The. company recommending limiting intake to. two bars daily to minimize discomfort. >> Wait, wait, wait. Can we stop talking. about this? I love that they say. minimize, not eliminate. There's no food. where you're like, you know, if you eat. [laughter] too much,

>> you're going to definitely have. discomfort. >> Who's eating two of these things. a day? [snorts]. >> I'm sure people. >> I know, but I mean, like after the. farts, wouldn't you be like, hey, >> and but it's not only the farts is the. distension, >> the inflammation. >> Yeah. Do you have that bloated feeling? For some people, what but you know why. they would choose something like this is. they want all that protein with 150. calories and they'll just take the. farts. >> Yeah. Well, I mean look at whey is not. digestible. That's the standard protein. for bodybuilders. >> Yeah, but it doesn't bother me. >> Yeah, but a lot of people weigh [snorts].

not break down. >> Yeah, I have zero problem with way. >> I can't do way. >> I was getting brain fog. A little bit. >> Interesting. Huh. >> Maybe I'm something's wrong with my. brain. I don't know. Well, you might. have like a like some sort of a, you. know, a milk allergy or something. >> That's possible. >> Who the hell knows? But the point is I. switched to the whole meat protein and. that's. >> something like carnivore snacks or those. carnivore bars. That's the solution. Get. those and that way you're you don't have. to even think. It's just food and your.

body treats it like food. It feels like. food when you eat it. It doesn't feel. like. >> It's just hard for me to get enough. calories in a day for what I need. >> What are you trying to do? >> I'm doing lean gains. Lean gains. Yeah. What does that mean? >> So, you're keeping the same body fat, but you're slowly putting on weight. So, it's really a tight rope. >> Okay. So, you're in you're involved in. that again. I know you bailed on. bodybuilding type activities. >> Well, no, I still go to the gym, but. >> but you're trying to get jacked. >> I think I'm in good shape. >> But you're trying to get jacked. >> I don't know what. Okay. Yeah. >> I don't know why you're doing that. I.

didn't do that. What do you mean? >> I'm just asking. Are you trying to get. jacked? >> I I Okay, that seems like a kind of. question that you cornering me in the. gym say. What do you mean by trying to. get Oh, no. It's a normal thing for. people that are trying to get swole. You're trying to get like big muscles. >> I am trying to put on as much mass as I. can while maintaining a somewhat lean. build. >> What are you doing like as far as your. workouts? >> I go to gym four days a week. I. >> What are you doing with your workout? What kind of workouts? >> I do a bro split. Don't make fun of me. >> No, there's nothing wrong with a bro.

split. >> There's a bro There's nothing wrong. >> Nothing wrong with it. Works. >> Yeah, but I'm not doing legs because my. legs are already too big for my jeans. >> What? Yeah, >> get stretchy jeans. >> I I have 30 pairs of jeans. I don't need. to get more jeans. Point being, my. >> But do you have regular jeans that are. made out of cotton or do you get jeans. that have flex in them? >> I have 30 pairs. So, there's a mix. But. point being, my legs are great. I'm. Russian. Russians have great leg DNA. >> So, you don't work out your legs at all? You're going to get an imbalance. >> How? >> Also, if you work out your legs, your.

whole body will grow. >> I I That's true. And And you'll put up. more pounds on the scale. The point. being my I'm already at the point. marginal with most of my jeans and it. and they're not they're not skinny. jeans. >> Let me see your legs. >> I'll you want I How am I going to show. you my legs? >> Just stand up. Let me see your legs of. your jeans. >> Those are not too big. That is. ridiculous. >> No, no, no. I don't need to be No, no, [laughter] no, no, no. >> Hold on. I will I will send you a photo. of my legs and you're going to. apologize. My legs are great. >> Okay. >> They're not chicken legs.

>> I believe you. They don't look like. chicken legs. chicken leg, >> but I don't think you should be. concerned about them getting bigger. First of all, it takes a lot to get your. legs much larger. Takes a lot like. you're going to have to really push past. like some severe discomfort. >> I I'm not disputing that. But point is. they're already marginal with my. clothes. And I think. >> you got new clothes. You've got money. Listen, you got to balance. You got to. keep your body balanced. Like that's why. you should do legs. Like you should. never just do upper body. >> Joe, I am nowhere at the point where my. upper body is too big for my legs. Well,

it's not that you should condition both. of them together. >> Okay? >> It's like you want to have a body that. works together. >> My body is fine. I'm not going to be. body shamed on this show. >> I'm not body shaming you. I'm talking. about functional. >> What function? Going up the stairs, >> anything you have to do. If you have to. pick something up and move it, if you're. not working your legs, then all that. stuff in your hips, all that stuff, all. all the surrounding tissue, all that. stuff is not getting the exercise it. deserves while you're working out your. upper body. >> Fine. Point being, my legs are perfectly.

fine and strong and it was hard for me. to get the calories I need. That's all. I'm saying here. >> So, um, how many calories you What are. you trying to do a day? >> I I think it's like 3200. >> Okay. >> Which is not nothing. >> That's a good meal for me. >> That's a lot of calories. >> Yeah, I guess. >> What do you mean? You don't think that's. a lot? >> I eat a lot. >> If you're eating clean, 3200's a lot. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I guess. Yeah. So, 3200 calories. So, but you're trying to stay lean and.

um are you on testosterone replacement. or anything like that? >> I don't know what you're [laughter]. talking about. >> Okay, you are good. That's good. Peptides. Any peptides? >> You know what I tried? I tried. >> Okay, good. >> I tried glow. >> What's glow? >> Oh, well, well, well. Mister does a skip. leg day and he [laughter] doesn't have. polka dots on his face. Someone does. You call yourself a bro and you don't. have polka dots on your face. Glow is.

this new peptide. It's a combination of. three things and it's called glow. because it's has heavy copper so it's. blue. Glow. Huh. You're welcome. Interesting. Most people combine PBC157. TB500 and GHKCU without addressing. sequencing or inflammation first. Here's. what determines whether glow truly. works. >> Interesting. Oh, okay. So, it's a. combination of all those things.

together. Yeah. >> Interesting. >> Because I pulled my shoulder pretty bad. >> with your heavy lifting. >> It wasn't I don't think it was heavy. It's just probably I don't know what. happened. >> You don't lift heavy. >> I lift somewhat heavy, but not enough. I. I'm not going to lift heavy enough to um. provoke injury. >> Okay. >> I think that's that's kind of foolish, especially at my age. >> It is. But if you want to gain weight, >> but I'm gaining weight. What kind of. You're not doing bench or anything, are. you? You do bench press. >> Why? Why wouldn't I do bench press? >> Why wouldn't you? Yeah, because it's. terrible for your shoulders. >> Well, I do dumbbell bench.

>> That's slightly better for your. shoulders. Okay. >> But that activity of having a lot of. weight down here, >> I'm only putting up 70s. That's not that. much. >> It's a lot for you. >> Okay. >> When all that weight back here when. you're right here, it puts tremendous. strength. >> So, what should I do for pecs? >> You could do dips. Dips are fantastic. for it. Um, you know, uh, don't go past. 90 degrees. You can once you condition. your shoulders to like be able to do it, but dips are good. Weighted dips are. really good. Um, there's stuff that you. could do like just kettle bells will I I.

don't do any chest exercises other than. dips. >> Really? >> Yeah. I do a lot of kettle bells. Most. of my exercises are full body motion. stuff. Almost everything. I do a lot of. uh snatches, a lot of cleans, a lot of uh like. alternating cleans, a lot of renegade. rows. Everything I do is kettle bells. >> All I do is I know someone who's really. knows this stuff and I follow orders. Like that's literally good. That's good. too. My concern is always functional.

movement. My concern is always I want my. body to work as one unit. I don't like. isolating things. I I think I do a lot. of compounds like like uh incined. dumbbell incline bench is is one example. or uh I don't even remember what the the. other kind of stuff. >> But if you have shoulder problems and. you're benching I there's a lot of. people I know that just have a. completely eliminated benching from. >> Is that right? Okay. Huh. >> Especially heavy benching. >> It only resolved this week. Thank God. >> But you know what? It won't like if. you're doing kettle bells. That's the. weird thing about kettle bells. It.

increases the strength of all your. activities. Like they found that people. that do snatches uh it increased their. V2 max and it increased their ability to. do chin-ups. >> I did used to do kettle bells some I had. it one of the lifts in my workout and I. pulled out my back once something so. fierce. It was a temporary like like. almost like a cramp but it was very very. scary. >> Do you remember what the exercise was? >> Yeah. I was doing the when you're. bending over and you swing it over your. head. >> Snatch. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. The Well, the key to that is. warm-ups. Do you warm up a lot? >> No. >> Or should you?

>> No. I do warm-ups with the with the. weights. It's like I'll I'll do I'll my. first set will be 40% of my working set. >> What I would recommend is you got to. especially as you get older, you really. have to warm your body up. And one of. the things that I do is I always do 10. minutes on the Airdine bike, get. everything like slightly sweaty. Then I. do a lot of jump rope. I get everything. fired up. And then I do a lot of. mobility exercises. I do like body. twists. I do these things like you wave. I get down to the bottom and I wave all. the way up and I bend backwards and I go.

forward. I do a lot of twists. I get. everything loose. And then I start with. push-ups and bodyweight squats. I do 100. push-ups, 100 body weightight squats, and that's my warmup. So, all that. stuff. By the time I'm done with all. that stuff, now everything's warm, and. now I can start working out. >> How many days a week do you lift or work. out? >> Well, I work out almost every day. Okay. >> Occasionally, I'll take a day off, but I. work out almost every day. And then with. lifting, it's almost every day. It. depends on what I'm doing. And if I'm. hitting the bag, generally I don't I.

don't lift weights the days I hit the. bag. So that's like maybe two or three. days a week. Um so the other two days a. week it I alternate between stuff like. body weight stuff like pull-ups, chin-ups, dips. Uh. I do uh L pull-ups where you know you uh. stick your legs out straight so you're. working your abs at the same time you're. doing that. >> I do uh a bunch of different things. lower back stuff, a lot of back. extensions, reverse hyper stuff, sit-ups.

on that GHB machine where you're going. all the way down. And. >> yeah, >> I'm just happy with the results and I'm. of the if it ain't broke, don't fix it. >> uh uh mindset. >> Well, that's good. >> Yeah. >> Well, as long as you're happy with the. results, I would just avoid a lot of. heavy lifting with uh bench press. I. think bench press is uh so many people I. know that have their shoulders up. their shoulders up through bench. press. And I know a lot of bros are. going to get angry. >> Yeah, I know. That's what I'm waiting. for. It's, oh my god, >> how much do you bench, bro?

>> But here's the thing. Like, we did the. Sober October thing where uh you know, we had the these these stupid fitness. challenges and then after Sober. October's over, we all got drunk. And so. then we went out to my gym and uh Ari, Tom, and Bert were all trying to bench. 225. And I don't bench at all. And I did. it 13 times. Like I I don't bench. And I. just. >> Ari could pull up two plates. >> No, he couldn't do it. Okay, that was. No, they all got pinned. >> Yeah, 225 is no joke.

>> Yeah, Burke can do it now, but back then. he wasn't lifted. >> You can't casually do two plates. >> Yeah, >> no one can. >> Yeah, but I did without ever benching. I. know. >> No, but I mean like you're someone who. works out Saturday. I'm saying like if. you're next. crushed. >> Yeah, of course. Wait, they thought they. could do it. >> Bert did. Bert definitely. >> Bert's heavy, right? How much does B. weigh? He's like 250. >> B's like 250. Yeah, >> Tom was bigger at the time, too. that I. okay was I mean it must have just. collapsed there was no they got they got. crushed but the point is it's like doing.

kettle bells will help all those other. things. >> because it just your whole body gets. strong and it's not an unusual motion to. do that you know you could do it. [snorts]. >> yeah I just I I like the weights. >> weights are great there's nothing wrong. with weights I just would be careful. about benching. >> even dumb I think dumbbell benching is. probably better than barbell benching. And I just think there's other ways to. work your chest. >> Okay, >> I'll talk to Monster Russ. That's my.

guy. >> And there's a lot of people that don't. even agree with dips. Like my my. orthopedic surgeon that told me that I. need to get my soldier shoulder operated. on 15 years ago and I never did. Uh he. was like, "Got to stop doing dips." I. go, "Why? Really?" He goes, "Everybody I. know that have their shoulder up. did it through dips." I go, "Well, that. doesn't mean anything, right?". >> What? Like I'm looking at him. I'm. looking at him and his body. Like look. at your Shut the up. >> And look at all these gymnasts. Like. they do dips 24/7. >> Yeah, exactly. Just build up to it. Don't do too much. All of it is like.

overworking your body. You have to like. slow progression is the the key. >> There is something fun about I I do love. doing dips because you feel like you're. flying. There's something about it when. you're just Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]. >> What can I say? >> But that's a great chest exercise. Dips. are Yeah. Along with uh the push-ups. Do. 100 push-ups a day and then do dips. But. you're the you okay, we could talk about. this also. You're the one. Can I tell. you what you said to me at the. mothership about this? >> What I said? >> You said you can't be jacked and be.

funny. >> Well, you can, but you can't show it. >> That I meant like you you like at a. certain point you're too jacked. There's. a cost. >> Well, there's definitely a cost to the. way you look. Like you look intimidating. and that's not that funny for people, >> right? >> Yeah. And Roseanne was telling me or not. just when she was starting out, she lost. all this weight and people stopped. laughing. >> Ah, [clears throat] there's plenty of. skinny funny women. >> Not not in 1981. >> You think are you calling Rosan Bar a. liar? >> No, I just don't think that's what it.

was. I I've seen people lose weight and. still be hilarious. It's just like. people there is a mentality that people. have. Like Kevin James, his. agent said this to him once. I got. furious. Kevin was losing weight. He was. trying to get in shape. He was really. self-conscious about his weight. and his. agent said, "Kevin, when you lose. weight, you're losing roles.". >> But that's true, though, because he's. he's very much a specific character. >> So, what? He could do anything. He's a talented guy. It's not like if he. lost the weight, he wouldn't be funny. anymore. That dude's funny.

>> Hold on, hold on. I'm not disrespecting. Kevin James in any way. Mad respect for. him. Point Ball Cop, the greatest comedy. of all time. >> It's a funny movie. >> I I believe you. I haven't seen it. Point being, he is very much in people's. mind a certain specific thing. Right. Right. So if Kevin James stopped being. that thing, I think it's going to be a. lot hard for a lot of normies to come. over with him to a different paradigm. That's all I'm saying. Come on. >> It would be a challenge, but I think. he'd still be hilarious. I don't I do.

not think that he is limited by his. weight. >> You don't Okay. If Will Frell got like. Hugh Jackman, do you think he'd have the. same roles? >> He would. He would ne wouldn't. necessarily have the same roles. He. would still be very funny. >> Yes, he would. But you know perfectly. well that there's lots. >> It would be weird because he would be. super jacked. Like if he got the rock. jacked, >> right? >> It would be weird. >> People don't know how to deal with that. stuff. >> Mhm. >> So the agent's not wrong. >> Well, the agent's still not looking out. for Kevin's health.

>> Was How big was he that big? He was big. >> He was big and he didn't like it and he. was worried. >> Yeah. Okay. That's very fair. >> Yeah. >> But you don't have to go from You could. go slimmer. You don't have to go to. like, you know, running peptides and. stuff, >> right? You don't have to get jacked. >> Yeah. >> But maybe he wants to. You can. It could. be done. >> I I mean, what's that guy who claims. he's natty? That Indian guy. >> who was in I think the Avengers or. something. >> Oh, Camille. >> Yeah. Was it him? >> I don't think he claims he's natty. Does.

he? >> They do special. >> It's special exercises, Joe. They just. come on. Does he really? He doesn't even. claim he's on testosterone replacement. >> Don't you know that if you just do. lateral raises? >> Uh, >> yeah, he claims [laughter] that. He He. has to. They all have to. >> I don't know if that's real. >> Yes, it does. Look him up. >> He did a very funny bit about people. being angry at him for getting in shape. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, he did a funny bit in his standup. His recent standup special about that. Does he claim that he's natural?

>> That's weird. >> Wait, the one I'm thinking of is in a. standup. The one from the movies. >> Yeah, he's a stand up. He started out as. a standup. >> Oh, good for him. Okay. Camil Nani, right? Yeah. Yeah. He started out as a. standup. Yeah. >> And he's doing standup again. He just. released a special. >> What's his name? Claims Daddy, too. The. Thor. They all do. >> No, that guy claims daddy. [laughter]. >> They have to. >> Chris Hemsworth. >> I think he does. >> Get the out of here. That guy. gained like 60 lbs of solid muscle. >> Well, that's cuz he's doing lateral. raises, you fool. >> Oh, I didn't know.

>> And you What? How do you know? You've. never seen him put a needle in his ass. He has he has personal trainers that. teach him the second exercises. >> You're right. >> I've been on testosterone replacement. for a long time and I highly recommend. it to anybody who wants to stay in. shape. >> How long have you been on it? >> Since I was like almost 40. I started. with like the cream and then uh well I. noticed my my I was you know I was. training a lot. That was back then I was. doing jiu-jitsu four or five days a week. and I was lifting. >> That's harder than the body. is hard of. course and you're always tired and you.

know uh I had a doctor that specialized. in that stuff. It's one of those things. was. >> hormone replacement therapy and and. doing a lot of it for people that had. had head injuries because people with. head injuries uh people that have had uh. CTE and a lot of like you have damage to. your pituitary gland. A lot of times. your brain is not producing testosterone. at the level it's supposed to. >> Oh, is that right? Okay. Yeah. Your. pituitary gland gets damaged from. repeated head trauma. That's one of the. things that causes depression in a lot. of people that have had head trauma is.

like your body's not making hormones. anymore. So, you're just like you're. lethargic all the time. It's a. factor. His statements, he described a. year-long process with professional. trainers, nutritionists funded by. Marvel, daily workouts, precise calorie. tracking, no refined sugar, and minimum. fats. In his 2019 Instagram post, he. emphasized the resources required but. never mentioned peeds, steroids, or. denied their use. So he never denied it. >> Okay. He didn't deny. So go. Okay. I I. take it back. I apologize. >> Yeah. His from a softer build at age 41.

For sure he got on testosterone. There was a lot of people that were. giving me about being on. testosterone like 15 years ago that are. on it now. >> Yeah. No disrespect to him. >> Well, there's nothing wrong with it. I. just said I do it. >> No, that's the point at a certain point. >> People It's just really funny when. people are yelling him, "Oh, you're. cheating." It's like cheating for what? Where's the test? >> People are silly. People are silly and. they're just they mad that he looks he. didn't look like he looked like them. He. was doughy and now all of a sudden he. looks like a bro and they don't like it.

>> Yeah. But the thing that's kind of crazy. is now the kids in high school are. hopping on. >> That's crazy because you're going to. destroy your endocrine system. >> And also if you're peaking at 18 that's. not going to be good for your mental. health. >> Well, it's not just that. It's just like. it kills your dick. It kills your you. when you put a bunch of exogenous. testosterone in your body. Your body. stops making testosterone. And so say if. you're on a cycle for like a month, two. months, it will take you four months for. your body to get back to normal. It. takes I think that's the ratio most. people if you're not taking like.

clomophene or any of these other things. or hCG or something that naturally ramps. up your testosterone. Um I think they. think that the number is like double the. time that you run. If you keep running cycles, it gets. harder and harder. >> 100% because your body starts relying on. it and your endocrine system shuts down. And it's like, why do we have to make. testosterone? This guy's got more than a. normal human ever has, >> right? >> And so we just stop. >> And I think these numbers are through. the roof with the kids now. >> Well, they all want to be like an. influencer. They all want to be jacked.

You know, it's just like you don't. understand the harm you're doing to your. body. But it's also the kind of thing. where it's just like you shouldn't be. comparing yourself to the guy on. Instagram, >> right, >> or the gym. You compare yourself to the. guy in the plane next time you're at an. airport. That's what I do. That's what. kind of helped me when I get on a. flight. I'm like, how many of these. people, especially my age, are in good. shape? It's going to be one out of 100. >> Well, the other thing is there's. especially when you're young, there's. plenty of stuff that you can do that's. natural and super beneficial and not. dangerous. Like creatine creatine is.

tremendous. You're not going to be a name. >> a name. >> No one's going to notice you on. Instagram. That's the thing. They're. chasing the fame. >> Oh, that's so sad. >> It's very sad. It's very It's I mean, some of these guys look better than. Schwarzenegger and they're 17. It's insane. But it's just like what's. your future going to. >> Well, you're not going to have kids, right? You're going to be sterile. You're not going to have any sperm. >> But that, you know, there was that thing. about they asked Olympians, would you. give up like 20 years of your life if.

you're guaranteed a gold? And like 90%. of them said yes. >> Yeah. Like. >> I know. Well, look at Lindsay Vaughn. I. mean, she knew that she had a blown ACL. and she still skied. >> Is that right? >> Yeah. She blew her ACL out like a couple. of weeks before the Olympics and still. decided to compete and then shattered. her leg with this horrible compound. fracture. >> Oh my god. >> Oh, you didn't know about that? No. >> Oh yeah. She had to get airlifted. She's. had multiple surgeries. She's for. a long time. Her leg broke in multiple. places. She's got rods and stuff in it.

And leg breaks are really scary because. your body doesn't necessarily always. heal from those. Like sometimes the. blood flow is not appropriate. It's not. it's not what you need. And people get. their legs amputated from those things. >> Jesus. >> Yeah. Femur breaks are super dangerous. >> I've never broken a bone and I'm part of. Ever. >> I know, right? >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> Nothing. >> A part of me is like, is this something. I want to try before I die? Like it's. sucks. >> Does it? I But s How bad is it?

>> Well, I broke my arm when I was seven. I. broke my forearm right here. I fell off. a monkey bar and snapped my forearm in. half. That healed perfect. But when your. kid, you're a kid, they just put me in a. cast and like six weeks later I was good. to go. Um, I broke my fibula, the small. bone of my tibia in uh, sparring. A. friend of mine threw a back kick at the. same time. I was throwing a kick and his. heel hit my my fibula and it cracked. that. But that was only a crack. I. actually competed with that. I put.

soccer pads on it. those plastic soccer. I taped soccer instep pads that part of. my I didn't tell anybody. Oh, okay. >> Because it was a taekwondo tournament so. I had pants on and so I put like a. regular um these soccer pads. I taped. them to my calf and then I put the foam. one on over that and I competed. >> Huh. Okay. >> I won the states that way. [laughter]. >> Okay, great. Were you a national. champion? I won uh American Open and I.

came in second place in the US Cup. against the national champion and I. think I should have beat him. I got a. bad decision. Um but I never won the. national championships. But at the time. that I was getting ready to try to win. the national championships in ' 88, the. problem was I had already been. disillusioned because I had started. kickboxing. Okay. >> And I'd already started like realizing. there's a lot of holes in taekwond do. >> Well, taekwondo is like with the rise of. UFC, it's really not good. It is if you. know all the other stuff because those.

kicks are devastating. They're. devastating. And a guy who's a really. good kicker like a Michael Venom Paige. for for instance who's a karate. specialist who learned how to defend. takedowns, they're really dangerous. because they have the ability to cover. distance and kick at range. And if. you're not a good kicker and you don't. recognize what this guy's doing, they. could you up, right? >> But there was so many holes in Taekwondo. when it came to like punching to the. face and then leg kicks. I didn't. realize like how many holes there were. in it until I started really getting. into kickboxing. So I was by the time 88.

rolled around, I was already. disillusioned. >> Huh. Okay. >> You know, and then I was already. starting to do stand up, so I was like, what am I doing with my life, you know? >> Oh, I got a bone to pick with you. >> Oh, I'm excited. >> Oh, you you set me up perfectly. Okay. >> You set me up perfectly. I was I Thank. you, Joe Rogan. Bridge of Fetesy sat in. this very chair, the chair I'm farting. in right now because of my I had some. vintage Oolene chips from eBay. [laughter]. and it's this chair is going to be a.

disaster chair. I know. >> Um and she told you that I'm starting to. do standup and you said that's great. He's so funny. He could open for me. And. then I was all excited about this. opportunity and I te and I wait a few. weeks because I was scared to like. whatever and you text me about some meme. and I go. >> first of all I don't think I said you. could open for me. I highly doubt I said. that. >> You did but that's fine. I'm not holding. you to it. I'm just saying you said. that. That's fine. Um. >> maybe I was joking. >> I'm not holding you to it. You were just. encouraging. Okay, let's just leave it.

there. >> I think you're very funny. >> Okay. You text me that's a meme. I go, "Hey, I'm going to do standup." You go, "You absolutely should. You're very. funny." I go, "I have my set. What. should I do next?" Do you know what you. said? >> What? Nothing. >> Yeah. >> You left me unreg. >> You're on your own, >> What do you mean? >> Cuz you got to figure it out. It's like, you know, I want to start fighting. What. should I do? You know what to do. Go to. the gym. >> Figure it out. Start training. Don't I. can't hold anybody's hand. Standup is. too hard for you to help someone in the. beginning. You've got to actually want. to do it. So, you got to go to open.

mics. You got to do standup. You got to. get ready, put a set together, record. it, review it. >> Done it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, you're doing standup all the time? >> Not all. You're saying I should do it. all the You have to do it all the time. It's like if you want to spar, you have. to spar every week. >> Do you know what everyone told me who I. asked? Like I asked like 10 like big. name biggest bigish people who are names. and they all said the same thing. You. have to bomb. >> Yeah. Well, bombing is good because it. lets you realize how difficult it is and. then you don't like the feeling. So you. work really hard. >> and also you know you have to be ready.

for that moment and how to recover from. it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Failure failure I think in. everything is good. Losing is important. It's very important. It it it motivates. you to do better. You know, people don't. like that feeling, but there all a lot. of uncomfortable feelings lead to growth. and that's why they're important. >> That's true. >> Heartbreak, losing a job, getting fired, you know, all those things are. important. >> Okay. Well, >> yeah, standup's important to It's. important to have like bad sets. >> I think you said bad sex. >> Bad sets. >> Yes, sex.

>> So, when was the last time you went up? >> I haven't done it for a while because I. didn't know what to do. >> Yeah. You got to do it a lot. It's got. to be something that you're dedicated. to. That's why I'm saying you can't just. >> say do. Okay. That's fair. That's very. fair. I've been talking to Ken. He's. been been very helpful. >> Yeah. Just there's plenty of places we. could perform. I mean, Austin alone on. my street alone on Sixth Street is. there's like within a oneb block radius. like seven clubs. >> I'm not arguing that. >> I mean, this is the place. If you want. to do standup, this is the. place, man. I mean, it's incredible.

right now. >> Fair enough. I mean, my club alone has. two nights of open mic nights. >> Is that true? >> Uh-huh. Sunday and Monday night are both. open mic nights. >> Okay. Then I'm going to sign up. >> Yeah. We have a real development. program. The whole idea is like to make. it so that we have like a a real. foundation of people that are coming up. and that motivates all the people that. are already doing well. It's like, oh, these guys are like really working hard. and it gets everybody excited about. working hard and then it motivates the. people at the top saying, hey, these. young guys are really good. And then. guys start getting specials and like Cam.

Patterson just got on SNL. All these. things are happening for people from the. club. So it's like it's a great place. >> Okay. No, that's fine. That's very fair. >> Yeah, but it's not something that you. can kind of casually do every now and. again. You can, but you won't be as good. as you will be if you do it every week. >> That's Ken said that as well. He's like, you have to put in the time. This is not. something that you could do just on uh. uh weekends. >> Yeah. can't like run around your block. once a month and think you can go do a. marathon, >> right? >> Yeah. You got to get into and you got to.

the the thing about standup is like. you're making a mountain one layer of. paint at a time. It's it's not it's not. a quick process to become a standup. Most people agree and this is not a hard. fast rule because it's depending upon. how much actual time you do and how much. focus and but the general rule is 10. years. >> Really? >> Yeah. The general rule is 10 years. Like. people don't really think of you as. being legit until you've been in it for. 10 years.

>> I don't know that I have 10 years. >> I don't know if anybody has 10 years. I. don't know if the human race has 10. years. >> I I. >> You see those robots in China that are. doing kung fu? >> Are there already? >> Oh my god. They just did this. demonstration. this martial arts. demonstration with these robots on a. stage. I'm. >> It's crazy how how they move. >> I'm more worried about if anyone can use. AI to engineer a boweapon. >> Oh, that Yeah, that's real. >> Because there's a I there was a piece a. guy, I forget his name, I apologize,

where he was he's one of these big AI. people, and he goes, "If you use the. paid for AI," he goes, "I can tell it to. write me code, and it also knows like. idiosyncratic preferences." So, it's. better than hiring a person and that's. today. >> Yeah. >> So, what's going to happen in two years, three years? Like, how do you put guard. rails on that? I don't think you can. >> I don't think you can. And there's a lot. of people that are resigning from a lot. of these companies that are saying we're. doomed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I'm not a doom and gloom kind of guy,

but that I think is a much faster path. toward something happening than, you. know, robots, kung fu robots. Well, there's also automated rep weapons, weapon systems that are totally. autonomous. That's Yes, the government's. working on that. And I believe there was. an issue. See if you can find this with. one of the AI companies not willing to. partner with the U or not willing to do. something with autonomous weapons.

programs. I think it's Anthropic. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah, I think anthropic was like, uh, we. don't think that's good. And all the. other ones are like, "Let's go.". >> Holy Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, the thing is, is China doing. that? They probably are. Anthropic is. clashing with the Pentagon over AI use. Here's what each side wants. Anthropic's. relationship with the Department of. Defense is. >> uh is under review as the two sides. negotiate over how the company's AI. models can be used. Startup wants.

assurance that its models will not be. used for autonomous weapons or mass. surveillance. Oh my god, these pop-ups. are brutal. Um, you, CNBC. [laughter] Uh, the DoD wants to use. anthropic models for all lawful use. cases without limitation. >> According to uh, Emil Michael, the under. secretary of war for research and. engineering. >> Holy crap. >> Yeah. So, this is what they're doing. And. >> so, which is worse, autonomous weapons.

or mass surveillance? I think it's mass. surveillance, don't they? >> Both of them are terrible. >> Yeah. Which is worse, though? Because. >> they work hand and glove. Both of them. are terrible. I mean, did you see Alex. Karp that that uh interview that he did. where he was talking about Palunteer and. he's like, "We're gonna, you know, and. occasionally kill people. We're going to. use it to kill people.". >> Yeah. >> That's what he said. >> Right. And Right. But he was like openly. saying, "Kill people." Like this is what. we're doing. Like what? But I I did you. see that big leak from Palunteer which I.

don't know if it's been verified or not. where they were talking Kim.com was the. one who uh uh who dropped this. >> Yes, I did see that Kim.com tweeted. about it but I didn't see if it was. verified. What did he say exactly? >> I don't J if you could pull it was a. long it was a long long thing and it was. very because he said Palanter got. hacked. He said he doesn't have I don't. think it was verified that this was. legitimate, but these were the bullet. points he laid out and it was extremely. disturbing. I've it's not surprising. that a private company is going to be.

more effective and efficient than the. government at implementing what the. government wants. A lot of the things. during co wasn't literally the. government. These corporations were more. than happy to impose these kind of you. know don't if you don't get the vaccine. so-called you're going to get fired. >> Well, they were all having backdoor. deals. >> Exactly. But they they were more than. happy to do it. They were they were. being incentivized, >> right? >> Which is crazy. But. >> the the thing about this AI stuff that. no one realizes except for the engineers. that are deeply invested in this is that.

it's accelerating at this tremendously. rapid pace that they can't really. control. Chat GPT5. I was reading this. article. Chat GPT made chat GPT5. They essentially tasked the AI to make a. better version of itself. Make sure. that's true. >> I'm pretty sure that's what they're. saying. >> Right now for free, if you put any photo. on Grom Imagine, it animates it and it. looks realistic. >> Yeah. >> Like instantly. >> For free. >> There's a video of me and Keano Reeves. doing kung fu in this room. [laughter].

>> Like he's dressed up like John Wick, but. it looks real. I'm sure. >> it looks very real. It's like a scene. from John Wick. It's like we're we're. doing like movie style kung fu in this. room. >> And the average person can't distinguish. between what is on their screen and what. is outside their window, >> right? And for the human brain, they're. going to memor remember it and perceive. it as something that they had seen. before, right? It is a very scary thing. I remember something that clicked in my. head. Survivor season one. So that was. like 2000, I think it was 2001. >> They had the second to last episode.

There's four contestants left and they. go, "Next week on Survivor." And Sue. turns to Kelly and she goes, "We got to. vote out Richard.". >> And I was on a message board at the time. and one of the people go, they're like, "Who do you think's going to be. eliminated?" One goes, "Oh, I think. they're going to vote out Richard. Did. you hear what Sue said? We all heard it. This wasn't eavesdropping. This was a. sound clip that the editor left in. There was nothing else to hear. In fact, you could only hear what Sue said to. Kelly. And that was such a wakeup moment. for me. Like, holy people really.

think they're on that beach and they. heard something they weren't supposed. to. It was it was [laughter]. >> But you laugh. But there will be people. who tell you right now with a straight. face and I think they could pass a lie. detector test easily that Trump said we. should inject bleach and Trump said I'm. praising very fine people white. nationalists and you could play the tape. they will not perceive it. They're not. lying. Right. >> And I think that's a big hurdle for a. lot of people to accept. People honestly. are perceiving things that you're not. >> That's true. Yeah. And they're also only.

looking at headlines or only looking at. narratives. They get a tweet, they read. the tweet. Oh my god, I can't believe. they're doing this and then they put it. down. They're too busy. They're not. going to do deep dives. >> It's not that they're too busy. It's. that their preconception has been. validated. They think they're not. running a true false filter. They're. running an US them filter. >> Right. That's right. That's right. >> Trump's thousands of times the Epstein. files. There you go. What else do I need. to tell you? >> That's it. Yeah. Very fine people on. both sides. I mean, Obama said that. during the campaign. >> When he said that during the campaign,

I'm like, that's crazy. >> Well, Biden said that was his reason for. running. You don't remember that? >> You see in the in the Epste file, someone said that Biden's dead. >> and that saying that Epste's alive. >> Yeah, that might be real. >> I don't know how they pull that off. >> Um, >> I'm not here's the thing. I'm sorry to. interrupt you. Whenever I hear something. that's out there, I'm not saying it's. ridiculous. I always say to myself, what. steps would need to be taken for this to. be true? Right? So, if you're going to. keep Epstein alive, and he's obviously. extremely visible, his face and very.

known, how do you keep that guy under. wraps? would be the question I would. have. >> You move him to Israel and you get. plastic surgery. >> You think so? That's it. >> Yeah. Look, Renee Zelwigger looks. different. >> That's true. >> And she's a movie star. Like, she kind of ruined her career by making. herself look prettier. >> So, well, no, she got she looks Asian. now. She's got all those weird. No, she. got all those big cheeks and her eyes. are all like small now. >> What did she do? Let's take a look at. >> She's all puffy faced. Yeah. >> Like people said that Bradley Cooper did.

something, >> but he came in here. here. He looked. completely normal. It's just. weird pictures online. Like maybe one. day he was tired, one day really did. >> she did something. Bradley Cooper looks. exactly like Bradley Cooper to me. Yeah. Okay. >> Like she did something weird. She was so. cute. >> She looks like that. >> Look at her in 2009. She was so cute. And then. >> who's that annoying lefty lady who's a. podcaster? >> I don't know. >> Yes, you do. The one who was a real. housewife and now she's like. >> Oh, yeah. I don't know her name, but.

she's awful. >> Yeah, she's a heel. She's does a great. job being a heel. >> She's great at that. Everyone. lock them all up. >> Right. Yeah. Yeah. She looks. anymore. And she's very angry. >> That's who she looks like now. >> Let me see that again. >> I'm just looking at other photos. >> Other photos. >> Okay. The one on the far right. She's. still pretty, but there's there's definitely a change. in her face. >> But look at that fifth photo. She's. >> Jennifer Gray is a better example. >> Well, she's got a nose job. But after. that nose job, her career kind of. stopped. >> Well, no. Linda Evans is the worst of. this. Can you pull up Linda Evans? Linda.

Evans from the Terminator. >> From Dynasty. >> Oh, Linda Hamilton Terminator. >> Yeah, Linda Evans is really. >> Linda Hamilton is awesome in. Stranger Things. What did she do? >> I mean, she looks horrific. >> Well, she's old, man. >> Yeah, but there's plenty of old people. who don't look like that. >> She doesn't look like she did anything. >> She sued. >> She sued for plastic surgery. >> Yeah. Look at that one right there, Jamie. Yeah. Pull that up. >> I did. I'm just. >> It's bad. >> YouTube video.

Well, that's just I don't see where does. it say. >> the one right under that. The red one. See that? Yeah. Pull that up. See? >> Uh finding peace and happiness growing. older in the Northwest. Well, that just. looks like an older lady. >> But she doesn't look like herself at. all. >> But she's older. >> But I She had a lot of effed up work. Maybe she had some of it reversed. >> Maybe. >> Well, you're saying that's not. >> that one's not that shocking to me. That's just an older lady. I don't think. I think it's quite shocking because I. think it looks bad. >> No disrespect to her.

>> I mean, that's the difference between a. 30-year-old lady and a. 70-year-old lady. >> There's plenty of 70-y old lady who. don't look like a like protein bars. >> I don't know that I don't think that's. the best example. I think the Rene Okay. What has Linda done to her face. >> from like tabloids, right? Doesn't even. >> Okay. So, it might not be true. >> There's a lot of cases like this, you. know? It's it's whatever. >> Yeah. What was the point? How do we get on. that? >> What were we talking about? Kiana Reeves. the uh Rene Zelwagger.

>> I was on chat. I was looking up chat GPT. stuff and then switched to that. >> Okay. Yeah, chat GBT5. Did chat GPT code. chat GPT5? >> That's I don't I don't even know how to. search that. I don't know the right. search term to look that up because it's. not I'm not getting anywhere. >> If you ask that question, it doesn't. >> I chat GPT5 makes itself better, you. know. I don't there's there's something. that I was trying to dig into about that. singularity stuff. >> It's called like self-correcting loops. or something like that, but I'm not. getting anywhere with that. It's that's. not the right.

>> This was the this was the concern about. AI was that eventually AI would become. sensient and autonomous and would create. better versions of itself and it would. do it very quickly, >> right? >> And I think we're in that right now. I. think what we're getting from these. engineers is an indication that the. people that are deeply involved in this. are disturbed by the power of. this stuff. They essentially say that. they don't have a job anymore. They just. kind of show up and it does the work for. them and that this is far more potent.

than what the general public is aware. of. >> So, >> and getting better all the time. We're. at the point now where Grock is a better. conversationalist. and better at perceiving nuance and. humor than the average person. A lot of. times if I have a tweet and some. creatine comes in with some response, I. will just say, "Hey Grock, explain to. this person such and such and such and I. leave it for Grock to be like a tart. handler and I do this every single day.". But the point is, if I'm being humorous, maybe my jokes aren't that funny. Point.

being, Grock understands that I'm being. humorous. Even this person isn't or is. pretending not to. So what happens when. the average person, what are they. bringing to the table, >> right? What are they bringing to the. table? >> What about artists too? Like the AI arts. getting better every single day. Like I. did a book where I used AI for the. cover. It's like what are you going to. do with you're going to have a certain. number of people who are good at like. massaging it and you know get having. great ideas but at a certain point. there's only so much you can do. >> Did you see what the Door brothers did?

>> No. They just released. They're these. really good AI artists. They're the guys. who do all the intros to the Kill Tony. videos. >> They're awesome. And they just. made like a Hollywood movie and they did. it in like a day, right, >> with AI. See if you can find that clip. cuz it went viral and everybody's kind. of freaking out. They're like. Hollywood's done cuz this clip is. insane. It's It's so realistic looking. >> The other thing is by the time we're all. wrapping our heads around it, it's. already 6 months ago. >> Mhm. >> That's what's crazy. And it's far better.

than it was then. >> They put out another one today. >> Let me see. >> Put the headphones on. >> Okay. Yes, sir. >> Go full screen. Back it up. >> Pause. >> This is all AI. >> Yeah. >> [screaming].

>> Holy crap. [groaning]. >> Holy crap. Whoa. >> What the. [groaning and screaming]. [cheering]. >> [screaming].

>> Holy. Holy. I don't.

>> Wow. >> I don't think it's a good idea for. humans to casually. >> This is the other one they did. Check. this one out. >> Really busy. Can you get Sophia today? >> What? No. I have a meeting. I can't. >> Oh. >> This is all AI. >> Reporting what is being called a. geomagnetic storm. This is a phenomenon. caused by a massive becomes available. Stay tuned to this channel for. continuous coverage.

God, look at her face. Looks so.

realistic. I don't like this. Sophia. >> Mom, >> I love you. I'm on my way. >> Oh my god. >> I need you to hide. Get underground. >> I can't watch.

[screaming]. Oh my god.

It's a great cybert truck ad. People point online, you can hear the. engine, which is No, but you can hear. the engine when it does that. It makes a. weird humming noise.

>> Good morning, sleeping beauty. Why don't you get the president on the. phone?

>> We have her. >> What the. >> I'll be right there. >> Oh my god. >> I don't like this at all. I don't like. that at all. >> I don't think the sound was AI. Some of. it could have been, but mixed too good. and all that stuff. >> I don't think it's a good thing for. people to casually be seeing footage of. people being shot in the face. Like I'm. on YouTube. >> Well, they've already got that. >> I'm saying it's not a good thing. >> Check out this video that I just sent.

you, Jamie. >> Okay. >> There's a lot of I watch a lot of police. body cam videos on YouTube. >> Oh, yeah. >> And you see people on killed. And it's. just like. >> are we not having conversation the. effect of the human mind of just. watching real people getting killed left. and right all the time. >> I know. >> Young people. >> There's a lot of that. >> Like I don't like seeing I mean watching. >> Check this out. >> Okay. Oh Jesus. Okay.

I was just asking about the pencil. trick. [laughter]. >> This is crazy. This is crazy. Oh, there's Shane. Okay. Wow. >> Weird. >> But I don't like you you don't see. anything wrong with just casually. showing planes flying into buildings. Yeah. >> Well, all movies do that though. >> I don't think that's Yeah, but the thing. is this is how you kind of borrow the. frog, >> but they've always done that in action.

movies. >> I don't think to that level is is to. have anyone be able to make this the. drop of a hat. I'm not saying it should. be banned. I'm just saying I think at a. certain point if 24/7 we're seeing right. >> dozens of people getting killed, >> Yeah. >> it's going to have an effect on. >> people's psyches. >> No question. And I don't think that's a. good effect. >> Well, it's what we have now before this. Not good. >> Do you know what else is up? We're not even talking about what this. kind of porn is going to look like.

>> Right. Right. And porn with any like you. or Jamie. You and Jamie could be. in a video. >> that I'm talking about. >> what I'm talking about. Snuff films. >> Oh, right. Right. Yeah. >> You can make porn right now. You're. doing the girl, then you cut her head. off or cut body parts off. >> Yeah. Just pull out a shotgun as soon as. you pull off a knife. >> Yeah. Anything. Yeah. >> And it'll look really realistic. And you. have no way of We're still apes. You. >> people probably already making that. child porn. They're probably. >> Well, that I know the the investigators.

already don't have the tools to. distinguish between real videos of. infants and AI videos of of infants. >> And this is again, this has been a. bridge that's been crossed and like no. one knows what to say or do about it. It's [snorts] just like we're kind of. just binking and it's here. >> Well, it's not just here. It's here and. growing and getting stronger all the. time and we're all just plowing head. first forward towards the cliff. >> And what what's going to happen when. this started kind of stuff gets um uh uh.

um matched up with psychedelics? >> Well, it's not just that. It's like what. happens when this stuff starts running. all of our resources, running our. economy, running everything, >> right? >> Because that's what's going to happen. It's going to be our government. >> Well, I mean, right that Who is that? the creepy line guy. >> Creepy line. >> There was that documentary, The Creepy. Line. Uh Robert something Malone, I. think his name was. He's he's an. academic. His point, he went through. Google and he goes, "Look, if I'm. Google, right, and I and I or I'm.

Facebook and I have people who are like. Trump and people who like Hillary. So if. I just put out, hey, you should vote and. send it just to the Hillary people." I'm. not on paper endorsing Hillary. >> Robert Epste. >> Robert Epste. Thank you. >> Oh, that guy. We've had that guy on. multiple times, >> right? But then you're going to be. getting out that vote in the direction. you want. >> Well, his concern is Google searches. >> Sure. >> So like if you search Trump, it's all. negative stories. If you search Hillary, it was also I've talked to him also. about the the Facebook stuff. If you're.

promoting go and vote and you have this. group versus that group, it could nudge. it. >> very easily. So it's that technology is. already here and been used. >> and been used. That's real election. manipulation that's already legal and. being used for whatever reason. So, well, you know what reason? But but. >> but I also but you know curated search. engines are a real problem if. you're if you're hiding certain. information. Like I noticed that during. the pandemic there was a story about a. doctor in Florida that got vaccinated. and then really quickly afterwards had a.

stroke and died. And I I read the story. and a lot of people were concerned about. it. And then I tried to find it on. Google. I could not find it. I could not. find it. I looked everywhere. Then I. looked on duck.go and I found it. immediately. >> Wow. And then some it was in the first. page and then somewhere along the line. duck.go got weird too. >> Oh Jesus. Okay. >> Yeah. So it's like they realized that. people were finding things on duck and. then that I believe is duck.go curated. or did they just have open source?

>> What are they saying? And then I started. using Brave and Brave was showing me. things that other other search engines. weren't showing me. But then the other. hand if are they show you have the. problem of is it showing you things that. are just not true. >> Right. But I was searching for a very. specific story. >> Right. Right. You're definitely going to. get a lot of that especially if there's. like look the Hunter Biden laptop story. They got. >> 51 different former intelligence agents. to say that it was Russian. disinformation. >> Not curated in the sense of building a. personalized filter bubble based on user.

history. But it does curate results by. ranking. >> Yeah. >> I don't know how you can really avoid. that though. Right. It's curating, indexing, and filtering from hundreds of. sources, including Bing. Bing's not. good. >> It has to put things. >> to provide what it deems relevant, what. it deems relevant. Unlike Google, it. avoids user tracking and. personalization, providing a more. neutral, non-personalized search. experience, but also curated by ranking. No user profiling does not store search. history or all I know is that there was.

a difference in the way it worked for. me. It doesn't mean that it's. >> there has to be some ranking process. Yeah. >> It can't just, you know, it's going to. have things in order no matter what. search engine, >> right? When you're looking for something. very specific, >> that is Yeah, that's obviously. >> Google would not show me that article. I. I put in all the facts of that. I could. not find it. All it was saying was the. benefits of getting the COVID vaccine. >> Has it gotten better or worse? >> I don't know. >> We don't know. How would we know? >> I don't know. I mean, but you should be. disturbed at Rob at uh Robert Epstein's. work because Robert Epstein's work shows.

that with just this curated search. result, you can shift all these centrist. voters, all these middle of the pack. voters, these swing voters, you can. shift them by. >> I think it was 2%. >> I think it's larger. >> And point being Trump won by one. >> was 9% or something crazy. >> Even let's be conservative say two. Trump by one one and a half. >> Yeah. Yeah. So it's and I don't think. things are looking good for the. Republicans going forward. >> Well, it doesn't look good for the. midterms, right? Oh, that's. >> I mean, this ICE stuff is doing a great.

job for that because a lot of people are. like, "Hey, we're moving towards fascism. >> and the perception of the economy.". >> Yeah. >> The thing with the ICE stuff, it's like. people, you know, voters can have. contradictory perspectives like they. want to get rid of illegal aliens, but. don't force them out. It's like, what. are you gonna do? Send them a strongly. worded letter? Well, I think the real. problem is they're not willing to. address the fact that these are paid. protests and agitators. Sure. And that. these people, it's not this is not an. organic thing where people are taking to. the streets. They're literally being. paid. These people have come out and.

said, "You get X amount of money. You. get $100 a day. If it's cold out, you. get more money." One of the things. people were saying that I don't know if. it's true at all was like, "This might. be horshit." They were saying they gave. them decel meters to see how loud they. were yelling. >> who where. >> protesters really that they were. providing protesters with these decel. meters and for them to or in order to. get paid they had to be yelling at a. certain decel. I was like this sounds. like disinformation. >> Yeah. That I feel like how much are. those things? How much is a. decel meter? That sounds like very like.

a problem in terms of like cost, >> right? And you could if I had that I'd. sell on eBay, right? Right. >> Thousands of people and you're providing. them with these decu, I would think. >> Right. Yeah. It sounded like horseshit, but there's a lot of horseshit out. there. There's a lot of people that they. do interviews and they just make up fake. stuff just for clickbait. >> But the thing is there I think people. are I agree with you or like over ice, but it's like what's your plan B, >> right? >> The amnesty. Like if that's your.

argument, that's fine. But it's just. like it's not a tenable situation. I. mean, look what's going on overseas. Like, what are you going to do? Like, right now, there's a guy who's running. against Farage from the right of him. And it's like, you're going to break up. that vote. Like, it's called Restore. Britain. >> Oh, what is he saying? >> He's saying he's like, Farage is too. soft. We're going to deport them all. blah blah blah. It's just like like how. would like fine, I understand that's. your argument. Literally, how are you. going to do that without mass. enforcement? I'm not saying I'm for it. or against it. I'm just saying what is.

your plan? It's not. It's easy to. promise if I'm in a country that's. awesome, I don't want to go back to my. hole. Like, I'm going to do. whatever I can legally and sometimes. extra legally to make sure I'm staying. >> Especially people over there that have. been encouraged to go there, right? And. then they bend the laws in order to kind. of hide their crimes, >> right? >> One of the best things that happened to. me was uh December 31st, 2024. So, it. was the beginning of 2025. I was on. Twitter and you heard about these. grooming gangs overseas and even me who.

writes a lot about the nature of evil. was naive because when you hear the term. grooming I thought okay these high. school girls have these you know. boyfriends from from different countries. and like 30 whatever and it's gross and. whatever and then I s someone posted the. receipts of the legal cases these were. girls children eight-year-olds 10. whatever being violated and beaten with. baseball bats they were complaining to. police. The police said everything's. fine. Like really graphic stuff. And I'm.

like, how stupid I was to think grooming. meant what anyone else thinks of. grooming. These are rape and torture. gangs. And then Elon saw my tweet and he. blew a gasket. And then they kind of. talked about it in parliament. So it was. a great way to start 2025, but like. where is it all going? You know what I. mean? Like people are upset. But. >> you know, Kirsty's in jail. Like he. things he's in trouble for aren't stuff. like this. The entire Labor party voted. against further inquiry. It's like some. of these guys got prison sentences, but. they're not anywhere near proportionate. And why are they still in the UK?

>> I just don't understand it. I just don't. understand. Like what what's the endgame. there, >> right? Like what is like. >> is it the destruction of the UK? Like. what's the endg game? >> That's sure what it's that's well if. that's isn't their goal, that's sure. where they are headed toward, >> right? If you were trying to destroy the. UK, that's how you would do it. Bring in. violent migrants. Let them do violent. crimes. Don't prosecute them. prosecute. people for complaining about it online. >> and don't uh bring them into your. country and and kind of uh assimilate. them, >> right?

>> Like encourage them to not assimilate. >> Yeah. >> So, I was just there in in August. It's. bad as people think it is. It's even. worse. >> Really? >> It was There was a um a theater a block. away from the House of Parliament and. they were bragging that seeing their. shows are safe. Not fun for the whole. family. Not, you know, oh, this is. educational. You're not going to get. murdered if you come see a play here. This that really shouldn't be a selling. point when you're going to the movies or. theater. Excuse me. >> Crazy. >> Yeah. And it's only getting getting.

worse. So, it's it's it's I don't and I don't. But here's the other thing. Let's talk. about America, right? If you want to get. rid of all these illegal immigrants, what is your mechanism? Because there if. what Trump is doing is too much, there's. no al the alternatives to make it. difficult for them. So, they remigrate. But there's plenty of people who would I. can certainly understand it. I'd rather. be an illegal immigrant in America than. go back to whatever hell hole. >> Right. >> I found the video talking about decimal. meters. They were around.

>> That was a joke. Okay. >> And Grock says they were satizing. >> Uh paid protesters with the uh the the. >> decel meters. >> Yeah, the decibel meters. That sounds. ridiculous. >> Yeah. The whole thing was is. bullshitting. Yeah, that makes sense. because I was like, there's no way. There's no way they're giving people. decibel meters. But that's also just. clickbait. >> What would you do with the illegal. immigrants? >> It's a good question, you know. Um, the. real problem is that they let 10 million.

people plus in over the last four years. And. that's the thing that no one wants to. address. Like the only reason why there. is this problem is because we had a. open border for 4 years where. they actually encouraged people to come. in and they let in a bunch of violent. criminals and people have been killed, women have been raped, children have. been killed. This is and they want to. hide that data because they don't want. to be held responsible for what they did. over the last four years. um the fact. that that doesn't get the kind of.

outrage that it should. But then an ICE. protester shooting a guy who was armed. Do you know what really is going on with. the the gun community about that guy who. got that Alex Prey guy? Right. >> Do you know the story? >> Well, I know that what's his name? Uh. got fired correctly. Yes. >> For saying, "Well, you shouldn't bring. guns to fight the police." And all the. 2A people are like, "Are you crazy?" The. whole point of the 2A is against the. police, >> right? But that guy, so they disarmed. him. He was carrying a Sig P320.

>> Okay. >> Sig P320s are notorious for accidentally. discharging. It appears, at least in. videos that I've seen, and some people. seem to verify this, that as one of the. officers pulls the gun from him and. walks away with it, it accidentally. discharges. >> Okay? >> They think this guy has a gun still cuz. they just pulled a gun from him. A gun. went off. They think they're in a. gunfight. Everything's happening split. second. They empty on that guy. The two. guys who kills them, both of them. Mexican guys,

>> right? Did you see? They look like. people. Did you not see them? >> I didn't see they showed their actual. faces. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's on my Twitter. If. you scroll back a few days, Jamie, they. look like I said the village. It looks. straight up village people. >> But what's crazy is how many Latinos are. in ICE. >> Why is that crazy that Trump got the. Latino vote? >> Well, it's not just that. It's like it's. a really well-paying job and they give. you a big bonus to sign, >> I think. What is the bonus when you sign. for ICE? I think it's like a great incentive. >> But here's the other why why that debate. drives me crazy. If there's a hospital,

right, and there's a nurse who's killing. patients, which happens that happens. You have these like black widow. situations. No one's going to say shut. down the hospital or stop medicine. So. even if this was a firstdegree murder, let's assume for the sake of argument, that doesn't mean you should abolish. ICE. It just means that guy should go to. jail. Why does one thing have to do the. other? Look at this. Signing bonus up to. $50,000. >> $60,000 in student loan repayment up to. 25% in premium pay. I don't know what.

that means. >> Probably overtime, maybe. >> Premium pay. 25%. What does that mean? I. don't know. But either way, just the. $50,000 bonus. How many people are. willing to take that job just for that? And then $60,000 in student loan. repayment. >> That's great on your resume. >> Yeah. Well, you get your student loans. paid off and you get a $50,000 bonus. Holy. >> Right. >> You you can get a lot of people to do. that. >> And job security. >> Yeah. And you can wear mask. >> It seems like a job like macho guys. would enjoy. >> Sure. And if you're desperate for work.

and if you can't find work and then all. a sudden this is like an answer to all. your financial problems. A lot of people. are going to do it. >> So, but again, what's. >> you're also like very undertrained. Like. they only train for seven weeks. >> Is that right? >> Yeah. >> But what's the answer though? No one has. an answer. >> Right. That's a good question because. Yeah. Well, there are a lot of violent. criminals in this country that did get. in over the last four years that do need. to be removed. So, what are you going to. do? >> But what do you do about the nonviolent. ones? >> Well, here's the thing. There was an. interesting um statistic. I think I sent. it to you, Jamie, where they were saying.

only 14% of these people that they've. arrested are violent criminals. >> Okay? >> But that that's what they didn't say is. that 60% of the people that they. arrested had criminal history. And when. you say nonviolent, nonviolent meaning what? What about. strong armed robbery? What about a guy. pulls a gun on you? That's is that how. are you classifi? >> I bet it's not if you don't cause. violence. >> No, there's no way a armed robbery isn't. a violent crime. >> If you do not cause violence, I wonder.

if they're categorizing it as violence. Like if you do not shoot someone, stab. someone, beat someone, so you're not. convicted of a violent crime. You're. convicted of robbery. >> Why? Because they're doing everything in. their power to make the gun violence. numbers as high as possible. So if. there's any opportunity where a gun is. involved, that will be counted as gun. violence. >> perhaps. But you could rob people with a. knife, >> you know? I mean, does that count? If. you pull a knife on someone, is that and. you rob them, is that considered a. violent crime? >> I I bet you it is. >> I wonder. But either way, the the the.

misleading aspect of the article was. that only 14% were violent criminals. But is that okay that the other. 46% are breaking into people's houses. and robbing cars and. >> but what about that? >> But what about the 40% who just. shouldn't be here, right? Like that's. the question, >> right? They all shouldn't be there, >> right? So what are you going to do, >> right? Okay, here it is. 400,000 ICE. arrests in Trump's first year. About 60%. involved individuals with some criminal. charges or convictions. However, only.

14% had violent crime records, including. as homicide, 2,100 arrest, sexual. assault, 5,400, robbery, 2,700. So, robbery, nearly 40% lacked any criminal. record. Detained for civil immigration. violations. >> Wait, can we skip ahead? Look, this is. what's so shameless. Arrest for. non-violent issues like DUI. I'm sorry. If you're doing DUI, you should be. deported, right? >> That is a violent crime. Well, you. definitely cause death, right, and. destruction. Um, drugs 22,000, DUI.

30,000, outnumber severe violent crimes. But yeah, but those are bad. crimes. >> I don't I But I think this kind of is a. distraction from Yes. >> If you have 10 million people and. they're all house homemakers, like let's. suppose they're the nicest people ever, are you comfortable with them just. remaining here? And I don't think most. people are. >> No. >> Then what do you do? Rand Paul thinks. that you should allow them to stay but. not give them citizenship. >> See, if birthright citizenship went.

away, a lot of this would be solved, right? Right. If like you can't you. don't not eligible for welfare, you're. eligible for Medicaid, you could pay. your taxes and income, but you're not. getting the benefits. People can. understand that argument maybe, >> especially if you are illegal and then. you come here specifically to have a. baby and then you could stay too. That's. kind of crazy. That's a crazy law. >> It It's I think we're the only country. that has that too. Yeah. >> So, >> China definitely doesn't. >> So, well, I mean, no one's really. banging on the door for Chinese. citizenship to be fair. >> That's true.

>> Unless from North Korea, maybe. But, yeah. So, it's. >> it is a problem that doesn't have like a. clear-cut solution that would make both. sides happy. That's for damn sure. >> Well, I don't I think one side is. against it entirely and many Republicans. are don't think it's worth, you know, kind of overturn our whole society to. get these 10 million people out. So. what's I mean, if we had if we had 10. million Canadians come to America, that's not going to change the country. >> That makes no sense, >> right? Well, especially 10 million. Canadians that could be violent.

criminals. Well, if you just have an. open door, >> they're not going to be they're. Canadian. >> There's violent Canadians. >> Not sure. They're all They need to be. >> drinking maple syrup. >> Do you know about my uh my uh um. Enslaved Canada plan? >> No. >> Okay. [laughter] Is this this this this. is I want to get the exact I have the. exact numbers. Hold on here. So there. are I want to get this exactly right. 41. million Canadians. Okay. >> Okay. >> Now let's talk about reparations. >> Right. So if I wreck your truck and your.

truck is worth $10,000. I got to get you. a brand new truck or $10,000. That's. reparations is restored. >> Okay. >> How could you have reparations for. something as horrific as slavery? A. check's not going to do it because. there's no amount of money where I could. say, "What? You know what? You own my. grandma, it's fine. Right. >> Right. >> 41 million Canadians, they've already. demonstrated repeatedly that they don't. want freedom through every action that. they've taken. 42 million African black. Americans. So slavery in the South was a.

horrific blot on America's past. So the. opposite, slavery in the north would be. better. So [laughter] we invade and. enslave # eninsslave Canada and every. African-American gets one Canadian and. that's reparations. And then you don't. ever have to hear about slavery or. racism again. >> What a great idea. >> And the big names can get the big names. So like Michelle Obama can get Gad Sad, right? Barack Obama is not. African-American. He's African. You. don't get one. >> Do you think that's real? >> The Kenyan thing.

>> Well, he's he's he was of African. descent. He wasn't his ancestors were. never slaves. >> So he does he's not do reparations. In. fact, his ancestors own slaves and so. did Kla Harris's. Michelle Obama's. ancestors were enslaved. So she gets. Gad. Sorry, Gad. I'm not kidding. I think we should do. it. It would solve Canada. It would. solve a racism problem. >> Canada just needs to be free. >> Yeah. >> They need a better government up there. >> That's right. You know, can Trump ruined. that. >> when he with him. >> when he was saying they were going to be. our 51st state. He like he killed the.

Conservative party because then. everybody sort of united and said, "Hey, we've got to stop America from trying to. turn us into the 51st state.". >> This Greenland thing. Okay, [laughter]. let's talk about this. Okay, because in. I don't know if people know this. in the. first term, uh, we're saying Marie. Frederickson, I think, is the prime. minister of Denmark. >> They were going to have a meeting and. Trump's like, "We want Greenland." And. she's like, "Oh, you, you know, haha, looking forward to, you know, meeting. you, Mr. President." And on Twitter, he. cancels the meeting and goes, "Uh, since.

the prime minister doesn't know her. place, we're going to have to meet. another time." And she's like, "What? Like, what are you talking about?" And. now they're saying you could have. Greenland to do anything you want. You. want to dig for the minerals, please. bring industry there. Nope. We need to. own Greenland. And they don't know. And. I don't know what to make of his. Someone I saw on social media thinks he. must be on the spectrum because he's so. fixated on this thing that no one who's. neurotypical has this kind of fixation. But what do you make of this whole.

Greenland thing? >> I don't understand it. Do you know they. offered us Greenland in the 1920s? >> Right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Was it too much. money or something? >> How much was it? >> How much did they offer [clears throat]. us for? >> But I don't blame them for being like, "What is going on?". >> It is crazy, >> right? >> So Denmark owns Greenland. Who's closer? Denmark or the United States to. Greenland? >> Then we should have it. >> Why shouldn't Canada have it then? >> No. them. >> Like [laughter] I This is what it must. be like in Denmark right now where.

they're like, "What do we say?". >> Okay. It did not offer itself to the. United States in the 1920s. US expressed. interest in acquiring or basing in. Greenland during that decade, but no. formal offer came from Denmark. I. thought there was negotiation. >> That's what it's saying. Yeah. >> Okay. >> A land swap idea. >> Okay. Um for the US Virgin Islands for. 25 million. The US bought the Danish. West Indies, now US Virgin Islands, for. 25 million. What a deal. Uh but affirm. Danish sovereignty over Greenland. 1920s.

US Army General Billy Mitchell advocated. for American air bases on Greenland and. Iceland to expand air power, viewing. them as strategically vital amid. advancing technology. No purchase or. secession offer emerged from Denmark. US. interests remained. Internal military. advocacy without diplomatic action from. Copenhagen. >> We just got to give him a swap. We get. Greenland, you get Puerto Rico. >> So in 1947, go back to that.

19476. uh President Truman proposed a h 100red. million in gold for Greenland rejected. by Denmark amid cold war tensions. US. gained defense rights via 1941 agreement. during World War II occupation of. Denmark. How interesting is that? Like. we've been interested in Greenland. forever. Oh, it's right there. That's. ours. We should take it. >> It's that fast fast route to Russia. >> Well, yeah, cuz you have those straights. on both sides. >> Faster than going across. But the thing. is they're already saying you could do.

whatever you want. >> Like take a dump on it. We don't care. Like we're happy to you you to exploit. it, please. >> And he's like, "Nope, we got to own it.". It's like, but why? >> I guess he got it in his head that he. could make it happen. >> But this is really like I don't The. thing is they're getting freaked out in. Europe, not cuz he's being this. aggressive. I think not just, but also. because it's like what what are we. missing? Like you and I like what are we. missing here? Like what about Greenland? Would owning it change when you could do.

whatever you like. Put more bases. We. love it. >> Oh, I don't know, man. >> You You've hung out with him. What's he. What's he Is he have a screw loose? >> It's hard to say. I mean, I think. anybody who wants to be president has a. screw loose. Sure. And anybody who went. through that guy, what that guy did. Sure. Of course. What he went through. over the last four years when Biden was. in office where they were trying to lock. him up. >> What about what he was president? What. they went through? >> The Russian gate stuff. Yeah. All that. stuff. It's kind of crazy. Uh you would. have to have a little bit of a screw. rules and now I think he's on a victory. lap for sure,

>> but he also wants to get a lot of stuff. done because he knows he only has one. term, you know, and I think uh the. Greenland thing I I understand the. strategic implications why you would. want that, but I don't understand why. you wouldn't just like accept a deal, right? >> Well, we could have bases there and use. >> We have bases there already and we do. whatever we want. Here's the other. thing. Here's this is the. [clears throat] other one that I don't. understand. We go to Venezuela. We. basically teleport Maduro out, right? Obviously, there's some kind of inside.

information wherever. Who knows? And. then everyone just stops talking about. it. >> I know, right? It's just like, well, the. news cycle is crazy right now. >> What is going on in Venezuela? Did they. change the government? I don't think. they did. >> They didn't change the government, but. they got rid of the one guy that was a. resistance. And uh the a lot of people. like Kurt Mezer thinks that what's going. to happen is during the trial they're. going to reveal that Maduro was involved. in rigging the 2020 election. >> American 2020. >> Yes. Cuz there is some sort of a. connection with Venezuela and the 2020.

election and the voting machines. >> Wait. Okay. I I love Kurt. I was one of. two people at his birthday party. >> I when I say I love him, I mean. ironically and non-ironically, I think. he's the best. >> I love him, too. I I don't see any route. where they would need the um theater of. a trial to release this sort of. information. >> Right. I agree. But I [laughter] I think. that having him uh in America and making.

a deal with him, look, we already. kidnapped you. We killed all your. guards. >> I think he's I if I can get if I could. if I could out Kurt Kurt, >> I would bet this. I would bet a lot of I. would not be surprised. I'm not going to. bet that he's this is already a deal. that they told him either you come to. jail with us wink wink or we'll take you. out and he's like you're not fine I'll. retire in America. That would make more. sense to me. >> They did some wild stuff over there like. they used some sound weapon to like.

incapacitate everybody and they went in. and executed them all. >> Is that all of that? >> Not a single US soldier was shot, >> right? >> And everybody was down. Like the people. that are talking about it that were on. the ground saying it was crazy. They. shut off all the power. They shut off. all the radar systems and then all of a. sudden helicopters, drones, everything was there. This sound weapon. was used. Everybody was incapacitated. They came in gunned down. Like what? How. many people did they kill? I forget how. many people. >> 100, wasn't it? >> They killed a lot of people, but they. killed him with no resistance.

>> But I thought it was very clear that we. had some kind of inside information. >> I'm sure we have that as well. >> Yeah. Someone on the inside was like. working with us in terms of where he is. >> I'm sure there was that as well. There. was this. >> when I saw this photo of him. >> getting arrested, I thought it was AI. cuz it looks so crazy and ridiculous. And if I went a year ago and said. Trump's going to arrest Maduro and I'm. like, arrest him for what? It's just. like I don't know what's real anymore, >> right? [snorts]. >> Here's an article from the Guardian uh. from November. 2025.

>> Okay. Trump's DOJ investigating. unfounded claims. Venezuela helped steal. 2020 election. Like, so how do you know. it's unfounded until you investigate? This is the these. >> Let me skip ahead. >> The Guardian's pretty bad with that kind. of stuff. >> Yeah, they're gross. >> This stuff is where it was interesting. cuz this guy works for the CIA, I think, and he has a quote down here where he. says he doesn't deal with kind. of. I don't dabble. >> So, he doesn't he thinks it's. >> Well, just I was just trying to have you. read it cuz. >> Yeah, he says, "I don't dabble in. conspiracy theories.". >> Sure you don't. You're in the CIA,

right? >> We don't dabble, we make them. [laughter]. >> Uh, okay. Who knows? >> This is what Kurt believes. This is not. my theory. >> Keep scrolling down. I want to see what. what he's saying the Venezuela did. >> Yeah. What is the accusation? >> Yeah. Keep scrolling down. I want to see. there's nothing about what they did. >> Well, that would be contributing to the. conspiracy theory. >> Yeah, I guess. >> Mr. Malice. >> Yeah, >> they don't want to do that in the. Guardian. >> Who knows? >> But I Why would they need like.

>> We'll find out. another awesome chapter. of Game of Thrones. >> is I I I mean I I I I still don't. understand like it was a lot of people. were butt hurt correctly that we. shouldn't be doing regime change. >> but the regime didn't change. >> right we just got rid of one guy and. kidnapped him and brought him to America. >> but like if you get rid of Trump Vance. becomes president you're not changing. the government at all. >> right. >> so like what are we doing here. >> I don't know. >> here's a discussion in the journal of. democracy about how mad Dura stole.

Venezuela's vote and some of. >> that is very widely accepted as. >> real. I'm seeing these keywords that are. popping out as like the same stuff I'm. hearing in our election dispute. >> Ballot receipts, people checking voter. polls. >> later that evening. People saying that. that's not what I did. I was I don't. It's a lot. >> Right. >> The other question is what's going on. with Iran? >> Well, it looks like we're about to go. in. >> Are we Are you sure? >> Well, there's they're preparing. They. But I mean that's always it's great.

great to shake your fist. >> Shadow. Yeah. Saber rattling. >> So it's it's like like it's I I feel I. feel like all of us are like looking. around being like what's. >> what the is going on? Yeah. Every. day. Every day is what the is going. on? Right. >> And you're just trying to like live a. normal life. >> Yes. >> Which is what everybody really wants. But they're preventing you from doing. that with constantly being assaulted by. new information that scares the out. of you. And it's also there's no context. for us to understand this. Like we we.

understand the Saddam situation, right? You go in, you conquer country, kill a. lot of people. It's a nightmare. bloodbath that was unnecessary. Saddam. gets hanged. We know that story. Like. we're just going to come in, pull out. one guy who's the president and leave. his wife and his and his wife and. everything will go back. It's just like. I remember the Democrats were like, "Uh, what do we say to this? This has never. happened before.". >> Yeah. I don't know, man. I'm just. overwhelmed. I this I think I share the. feeling that most Americans have right. now where just every day you're like. what the is going on?

>> But I feel like it's escalating. >> It wasn't this crazy during his first. term. >> No, no, no. The world is escalating. >> Yes. >> What is this? Venezuelan oil gets. >> show you that. >> gets shipped to Israel first time in. years. Oh boy. >> It happened last week. So as I'm just. looking up, we we assume control of the. country I think in some way. >> Did we like we I think we got their oil. right. They've found a better way to. have people run it, but I don't know. that. >> Well, that was the other thing that. Trump said. What are we going to do with. the oil tanker? We're going to keep it. >> Yeah. It's like, wait, what? Like, how.

do we get to do this? [laughter]. Like, if you are. >> they're sending the oil to Israel. Uh, >> so Venezuela is saying it's fake. >> Venezuela plans to send its first. shipment of crude oil to Israel in 17. years. Part of opening up the country's. exports following the US abduction of. President Nicholas Maduro. I did have to. go to probably not a great source to the. Middle East eye. I don't know. >> Well, Bloomberg's a rep, you know, >> that's the one I couldn't past, >> but it seems like it's the same story. >> Jerusalem Post. Yeah, they're not going.

to be lying about this stuff. >> First shipment to Israel. >> Well, I think all they're saying is. they've restored relations between. Venezuela and. >> Well, they probably control relations. now. I It's essentially the US is. probably in control of their oil. distribution. >> I think that's explicit, isn't it? >> Yeah. So, but still like. >> Well, that was the other thing. He's. bringing in all these companies. They're. all going to do it. But apparently their. oil is like very difficult to acquire. Requires. >> Yeah. They their oil is not like simple. like Texas oil. Dig a hole in the. ground, pull it out. It's like it's all. it has to be processed with all these.

chemicals. It's apparently like the. consistency of asphalt. >> Okay. >> And it has to be broken down. It's very. expensive. This is why uh was it the CEO. of Exxon? One of the companies said that. it would never work. >> Oh. >> yeah. that the infrastructure is not in. place, you know, and then Trump was. upset at him for being a negative dancy. >> I I just I I I think anytime you start. Did you really. >> Whenever you start talking about regime. change, that's something that's very.

scary. >> Yeah. Historically. >> and always turns bad like Libya and all. these other places. Yeah. >> Iraq. Yeah. All. >> just like it's never good. [snorts]. >> Like Yeah. But then at the same time, we're like what what do we what do we. do? Like what's plan B? Gavin Newsome. You. know what I mean? >> What's he going to do? Allow everything. to happen. >> Senior Trump administration officials. have vowed to maintain control over. Venezuelan oil exports for an indefinite. period. Indefinite. It's weird. In. quotes, Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

claiming that the Venezuelan acting. government headed by Deli Rodriguez. needs to submit a budget request before. accessing the country's oil proceeds. Whoa. Jesus Christ. [laughter]. [gasps]. >> So, we just took over Venezuela. essentially. >> Yeah. No, we just took over their oil. >> Yeah, but also the country. >> Aren't the people still being oppressed. as hell? >> Yeah, but the government essentially is. like we're running that government. >> I don't think we are though. >> We probably tell them what they can and. can't do.

>> No, I think that's the thing that. they're still. >> just the oil, >> right? >> Can I talk about something fun? >> Yeah. >> I uh am finishing a project I've been. working on for 25 years. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. So, I'm excited to talk to you. about it. >> What is it? >> So, um there was this band from the 80s. who were called Rubber Rodeo that. combined punk and country, right? And I. was looking at this compilation um that. I got [clears throat] in 1994. I sent Jamie the the the picture and I. was staring at this photo trying to make.

heads or tails of this band because Can. you pull it up? It's it's You'll show. you the photo. You'll see what I mean by. it. because they're a bunch of kids in. these like kind of um square dancing. uniforms with no affect on their face. whatsoever. And the singer, she's in. this Dolly Parton wig and this big. square dancing dress and just staring. right at the viewer. I'm like, are they. joking? Like what's up with these. people? Um and I met them and they were. art school kids. They were not joking. They were There it is. That photo. So.

you see I'm st I'm like, are they. kidding? Are they not kidding? That her. name is Trish. Um, >> and this is from the 80s. >> This is from the 80s. They got signed. the same day as Bon Joy by the same guy. And he said, "I'm taking you both to. number one." So, I wrote a screenplay. about them because it's kind of like a. Spinal Tap story because they're on. stage at punk clubs doing jokes like, "Hey, Bob, I I'm exhausted. Why are you. exhausted, Bob?" "Oh, the couple in the. next hotel room were up all night eating. candy bars. Candy bars. Yeah, she kept. yelling, "Oh, Henry. Oh, Henry." Right.

So, it's this complete like what are you. even doing here? Um, but the guy who did. the keyboards for the band did the. animation for American Splendor. >> and through him I met Harvey Pecar uh. who later wrote a book about me in 2006. called. >> Is he that guy that went nuts on. Letterman? >> I'm so glad you know who Harvey is. So, Harvey started the idea. >> He's a comic book guy, right? >> Right. He started the idea of writing.

autobiographical comics in the 70s. Um, from off the streets of Cleveland, here. comes American Splendor. It's an ironic. title because his life was not exactly. very splendid. He was a file clerk, kind. of a miserable person. He hated being. called a kermagin. Um, and amazingly, when the film came out in 200, was it. 2000? I think it was something like. that. 2001. Um the he flew back to New. York to do Stern and the producer of the. film, Ted Hope, sent out an email that.

said, "Harvey's in town with nothing to. do. If you want to hang out with him, this is your chance." And I'm the only. person who took him up on it. And I go. there and he's on his bed and he uh. spoiler alert, he died in 2010 on my. birthday, which was not a fun email to. get. Anyway, and he's like he's Yeah, he's got this really weird way of. talking. He's like, "I'm really. up, man." And I pointed out to him since. everything in his life was a disaster, his movie got a wide release the weekend. of the blackout. There was this big.

blackout. He's like, "Oh, god. damn it." [laughter] And that was the. weekend I had a fish tank and I'm trying. to keep them alive with no electricity. and it did not work out. >> So he wrote a book about me. Uh, and. that screenplay fell by the wayside. But because it's kind of like Spinal. Tap, you know, it's this kind of funny. story about, you know, when you're. young, and anyone out there who's. listening to this, when you're young, go. for it. Be stupid. If you're gonna fail, it's okay. It's still something exciting. to try and to do, which they certainly.

did. Um, and now I'm like, wait a. minute, this converts to a graphic novel. uh uh very easily. There's a guy named. Eric July who has this whole kind of. empire. He did a Kickstarter. He made. like a million for his first one. It's. called The Ripperverse. And now they're. at a point where you don't have to go. through DC or Marvel to produce your. product. So I'm super excited about it. Again, I started this in 2000 and now. it's finally 26 years later coming to. fruition. So. >> awesome. >> unwantedbook.com. All right.

>> I'm just really kind of it's it's very. intense this because here's the other. thing. What I I I was at Golds and I had. basically what was the opposite of a. nervous breakdown where all the parts of. my brain slid into place where I. realized this story I wrote in 2001. What happens if you do all these things, try to be original and go nowhere? Like. those are my fears when I was starting. out. What if I'm end up like them and. have nothing to show for it? And 25. years later, that experiment's been run.

you know, I could pay my rent as a kind. of creative person and if they were. around today, they could probably pay. their rent because this much easier as a. band to kind of build an audience, but. it's a very funny story, but it's also a. very dark one, and it's largely true. >> All right, so I'm just stoked that I get. >> We'll end it on a happy note. >> Yeah. >> Thanks, buddy. >> Thank you. >> Always good to see you. >> Always a pleasure. >> Congratulations on the face pink. Wait. for the next one. >> Oh, no. Bye, everybody. [music] Bye-bye.

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