Joe Rogan Experience #2455 - Donnell Rawlings

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. ALL DAY. REALLY? Red meat? This is unfortunate. That's disgusting. >> In any [music] form? You know, like I have I know it's weird. If I eat a burger, it's different if I eat a steak. Steak. is a problem? Yeah, I don't know if my. digestive system just like you too old. to [ __ ]. uh How old are you?

>> down. I'm 58. >> I I'm 58, too. I eat mostly meat. I don't think it's age. What is it then? Well, what are you eating it with? Uh. Tito's. Are we rolling? Mhm. Tito's. Tito's vodka? Well, that can't be that, right? No. [laughter]. Tito's I'm eating a steak and I wash it. down. >> eat a steak and Tito's? And I wash it. down with Tito's and tonic cuz it it. resembles H2O so much. Sometimes I get. thrown off until I do it. What? Yeah, I.

think I'm better Tito's and tonic. resembles water? The look of it. >> The look of it. >> It's clear. That's all that matters to. you? Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> I know at some point I need to change I. need to change my life. I'm at the age. now that it's like I look at certain. food and I'm like, "Oh my god, it looks. good, but you know you can't handle. that." I think this is when I really. really need to be in love. because I need to be with somebody that. understands when I go places and when I. want to pig out, they got to be like, "He can't eat that." Uh. right. >> Right. He needs a handler.

He needs a female handler. A a female. handler. They they call it geriatric. like they This is what I hear. The [laughter] This is what the scripts. are saying. Most men get to a age, it's. a geriatric [ __ ] when you just smash all. the women you want to do and everything. Now you're going to have to worry about. somebody helping you with your pill. diet, helping you with your dietary. needs and everything. And they say. that's a a of times when men fall in. love when they need somebody to take. them to the golden years. Oh, when it's. when you're about to be out of here, you.

need somebody to say, "Don't do that. You got to mash this food up. You got to. chop it up." But I'm having digestive. issues sometimes. With steak, huh? With. that's red meat, I want to say. And I'm. I'm a fan of it. So, you eat if you eat. like a bowl of pasta with the Tito's, no. problem? That's not a problem. Interesting. But it's definitely red meat. Red meat. I'm not sleeping. >> to one of those doctors that checks. people for allergies. Voodoo doctor? Yeah, you. >> [laughter]. >> I don't want one of them though. It. sound like I had to date a Asian I mean. I had to date a.

a Asian chick. They into voodoo really really big time. >> Oh, yeah. >> Oh, yeah. They stab you with pillows and. [ __ ] You wouldn't know you have pain in. your neck. >> [laughter]. >> Is there any particular reason, Joe, and. I haven't been here in a while. Is there. any particular reason why I am doing. your show during Black History Month? No, you asked to come on. >> [laughter]. >> The but but You reached out to me. >> out to you. >> any You could have reached out to me in. July, I would have said yes. You got an. open invitation, you know that. I have. an open invitation, but this is when I.

don't know you I said, "Can I come?" You. said, "This is what you told me." You. said, "I have a guest.". And then you called back. I don't know. if Jamie said, "You know what month this. is.". Right, [snorts] I don't know if he and. you and you called me right back. >> somebody. I moved somebody for you cuz I. knew you were coming here on a Monday. I. had someone booked. >> Was it a Caucasian person? I don't know. I don't remember. >> Jamie? You know it was a white man or black. man. >> No, you know what? Did I get Did I bump. a white person for black? >> been Michael Jai White cuz he's here. tomorrow. Yeah. So, it's probably.

Michael. I just probably moved him a. day. But I appreciate you being. accommodating cuz I felt like it was a. time for me to come back. I haven't been. here a while. >> You can come on anytime. I really. appreciate that and I I hold that to be. true. Come on. >> that's true. You know I love you. Yeah. I want some of that gum, too, man. I'm. sorry. >> gum? Do we have any, Jamie? I have some, yeah. Yeah, that stuff's the [ __ ]. >> I know. Well, whenever you say something. is the [ __ ] it's the [ __ ] Yeah. >> Well, what can I do about my I can't do. anything about my diet. Sorry. Whoops. I. hit the mic. Um yeah, you can. You just uh.

you know, you should go to a doctor and. find out if there's like there might be. something particularly about you that. red meat doesn't agree with you. But, it. might just be what you're eating with. the red meat more than the red meat. itself. You know, that's what I would. imagine. I would imagine it's not actually red. meat. I would imagine it's what you're. eating with it. Might be. And I'm going to check into it. Cuz as they say in the streets, I'm of that big age when you have to be. considerate of a whole bunch of things. So, that's what I have to do. I have to.

do that. Do you exercise at all? A little bit. Usually doing sexual. intercourse is when I get my [laughter]. most of my cardio. Get your push-ups in. Yeah, and it's not as strong. Damn, man. You ever get. I don't know if this apply to everybody. You get to a age where you start looking. at your history and you like, damn, 2000. was my best years. Like right now, I'll. just give up. You give up. I don't put no pressure in. it. I give up. I start asking like. what's your shoe size is or whatever. I'd rather go shopping than to really.

try to [laughter]. pound somebody out for 3 hours. I'm at. that age now where I have. I call it um. certain times. Like you don't get a work. good work out. >> shouldn't give you that gum. It's going. to. >> That gum's going to be a real problem on. the microphone. Is it Is it. Okay. I'm sorry. >> People People going to get annoyed with. you. All right. I don't know what to do. Just chew it a little and spit it out. Okay. You'll get the effects of it. pretty quickly anyway. I'm at the age where my best work is. like.

holidays. Holidays? >> Like. I'm I'm a animal. >> Why don't you hire a trainer? You got some money. And what are the trainer going to do. there? >> in shape. I think I need a therapist. before I get a trainer. >> [laughter]. >> I mean, you got to take one step at a. time. I got to get my mind right before. I get my body right. Wouldn't you agree? >> No, the getting your body right will. help get your mind right. I think you. That's some truth to that. I think it. I think that you may be right about. that. >> Oh, 100%. Getting your body right fixes. your mind, without a doubt.

>> I will say I'm at my best I'm at my peak. when it's a holiday to celebrate. >> rested. I'm rested. It's more incentive. like if you want me to really smash good. time you consider like. uh uh Valentine's Times Day, Christmas, uh uh Kwanzaa. You can get seven good. days. But to expect me to be at my best. on just a regular Tuesday or a Wednesday. is not going to happen. I need more. incentive. >> drinking. You like to drink. Why would.

you say that? I know why you would say. that. >> Come on. I've seen you. All right. I've. been with you. Okay. >> with you. Okay, then that's a good. point. >> [laughter]. >> All right. Then cigarettes. >> You was there. You brought a pack with. you. Right? There's that. Those Those are not. good. Um there's uh But you used to. smoke. I saw one of your podcasts. I forget how you explained what made you. not want to smoke anymore. What was. that? >> Well, cigarettes are a cognitive enhancer. They are. That's a fact. Nicotine is a.

cognitive enhancer. There's no doubt. about it. It's a fact. And it does. things to to your mind. It stimulates. your mind in a way that very few other. things do. That's why a lot of. intellectuals, a lot of professors use. nicotine. A lot of academics use. nicotine. A lot of people that rely on. their brain use it. A lot of writers use. nicotine. And there's different delivery. methods that have different effects. Unfortunately, smoking has a very potent. instantaneous effect. Uh and that's why.

people like it, but it comes with a. cost, you know, the the physical health, you know, repercussions of cigarettes. are well-known. Yeah. >> Not good. And also you're you're smoking. Marlboros. There's a We had a doctor on the other. day that thinks that um Marlboro Lights, don't you I'm not really. >> are not nearly like American Spirits are. not nearly as bad for you. as uh these. cigarettes. >> that they have some type of the the. American Spirits, I'm not even like. advocating for what you should shouldn't. smoke. But they supposed they say that's. supposed to be the most natural if.

there's such a thing. >> tobacco, I believe. Is that a fact? >> Nope. No? What's in there besides. tobacco? >> know. I've been trying to They They got. I don't know how this lawsuit ended up, but they got sued for the advertising of. saying it's additive-free and all that. >> Oh, did they? Yeah. What are What are. the additives? >> I'm not the site. I'm I don't know what. the additives are on it. I've tried to. look. I mean, there's a big Here's like. the website about the lawsuit. >> What's the accusation? That uh here you go. It's on the screen. Oh, here we go. Lawsuit questions. natural claims. Natural American Spirit.

cigarettes are made by Santa Fe Natural. Tobacco Company and parent company. Reynolds American, R.J. Reynolds. They. [ __ ] with you. American Spirits has been. sold in the US since 1985 under the. original name Original American Spirit. Do do do do do do do organic Oh, you got. us, you [ __ ]. >> [snorts]. >> Um. unadulterated tobacco. Suit claims that. such marketing language has endeared. American Spirit cigarettes to a core. group of smokers who believe that the. natural tobacco in the cigarette makes. them a healthier alternative. Despite.

cigarette sales declining 17% between. 2009 and 2014, American Spirit sales. have increased 86% over the same period. Huzzah. Uh a regulatory filing on the Reynolds. American website states American Spirit. is the leading super premium cigarette. brand that is a top 10 best-selling. cigarette brand priced higher than most. other competitive brands and is. differentiated from key competitors. through its use of all-natural. additive-free tobacco, including styles. made with organic tobacco. But words.

like all-natural and additive-free on. American Spirit's labeling, the suit. says, belies the fact that Santa Fe. Reynolds adds ammonia to their. cigarettes to maximize the amount of. nicotine a smoker receives with the. result that American Spirits contains. significantly more freebase nicotine. than other major cigarette brands. >> [snorts]. >> So you actually getting high off of. cigarettes? 100%. I get high off of them. because I don't smoke them all the time. So I only smoke if if I smoke like a. couple cigarettes a week, it's a lot. And Newports probably like 10 times.

worse than. menthol cigarettes probably 10 times. worse. to before your body. I was talking to. Cat about that. I was Yeah, I was asking. him like why why do you like menthols? And he's like. he was speaking on behalf of the black. community. He said we like things that. are more potent. I believe that that's possible part of. it, but I also believe that back in the. day and this apply I don't know if I. talked about this. It was certain brands. that targeted certain communities just. for the loyalty of it. And I think.

Newports was targeted I don't know if it. was a situation when Newport came out, they were spending more of their ad. money with advertising and everything. cuz I don't know if I shared this story. with you, but. um uh Pepsi was a company that did that. where they targeted the black community. So I think even though I understand we. said more potent, but I think it was. something that was in our community. whether that was like cheaper prices or. whatever. And I think it's generation to. generation like you need to do this. because black people did this because it. was cheaper or whatever. I think that. that might be the case with Newport. >> both. What is the menthol effect? What.

what is the. What is the difference in the way. menthol cigarettes Dog, I I sound like. Cat Williams the next day. >> [laughter]. >> They ruined that's one of the reasons I. had to downgrade to like some people. think that I started smoking Marlboro. Lights cuz I started dating white women, which is more appealing. Unless you date. a white woman from the Midwest, then. she's probably smoking Newports and. drinking Pepsis and Coca-Colas just like. you. >> [laughter]. >> But I think that But I got so many. bad habits.

that I need to change. >> Here we go. Our sponsor, our AI sponsor, Perplexity, says the menthol effect in. cigarettes come from the chemical. menthol itself, which is added as a. flavoring and a sensory agent to the. tobacco. Menthol is naturally found in. peppermint and other mint plants. It can. also be made synthetically in a lab. Menthol activates cold-sensitive nerve. receptors in the mouth, throat, and. airways, creating a cooling sensation. when you inhale smoke. It's a mild mild. anesthetic numbing effect that reduces. pain and irritation from hot harsh.

cigarette smoke, making it feel. smoother. Menthol can suppress the cough. reflex and dull early warnings or early. warning signs of airway irritation, which make it easier to inhale more. deeply and more often. Menthol reduces. the perceived harshness of nicotine and. smoke. Uh the minty taste and smell, plus the. cooling feel, act as a pleasant sensory. cues that many smokers come to associate. with satisfaction and craving. Menthol. can alter nicotine metabolism and the.

way nicotine acts on brain receptors, which may increase nicotine's. reinforcing addictive effects. In short, the menthol effect is not from nicotine, but from added menthol, which cools and. numbs the airways, masks masks. irritation, and can make cigarettes feel smoother. and more addictive without making them. any safer. >> So, menthol cigarettes appeal to black. people because it's a cool cigarette. It's cool. >> That's what Now that makes so much sense. why they brand cool cigarette cuz it. makes you That makes sense. >> Right. That's why they call the cool, I.

bet. Damn. What white people do to. destroy my community, man? Destroy everybody. They don't give a. [ __ ] about anybody. Cool ain't cold. Half ain't wide, body ain't soul, mild. ain't bold, cool ain't cool, Newport is. Oh, cuz that was like a The cool That. makes sense. >> take on cools cuz people used to smoke. cools. Could the cools exist anymore? In. jail. Only in jail? >> I think that I think I don't know what. the. >> [laughter]. >> the ratio the ratio is what what. cigarette gets you more money in a dice.

game. But whenever I hear people telling. war stories, they like, "Man, I got a. pack I got a carton of Kools for a bag. of Doritos or something." But the value. of a Kool cigarette is is is higher in. in prison. >> Isn't it crazy that they just give you. cigarettes in prison? That's crazy. It's like the only drug. you can get in prison. >> Yeah, and those I You can't get alcohol, right? Well, you can get hooch. Well, you can't get alcohol, but they make. their own type of alcohol. >> it's all under the table. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But I think in prison.

the things that hold the most value, I. think it's Tang. Right? It's that artificial flavored. drink you do I think that it's. >> Astronaut [ __ ] Yep, cigarettes, Doritos, I heard honey buns. hold their value. And I heard candy bar, but candy bars you got to be particular. with that. You cuz if you offer This is. what I hear. If you offer a person a. certain amount of candy bars, then what.

I understand is that you're inviting. them to have sexual intercourse with. you. Interesting. >> Yeah. Candy bars. >> Yeah, like you I don't think you can. >> some candy bars? And that's like code. >> Yeah, it's like candy bar. >> Like pizza. >> Mr. Goodbar for this good bar. Oh, okay. >> it's This is only Not that I've had. those experiences, Joe, but this is the. times that I frequent the streets, which. aren't anymore, not too often. These are. the stories that they tell. Interesting. >> Yeah. Yeah. And these facts you don't. need them for anything but for. barber shop talk, but these are the.

conversations that I have. Yeah. That. I've I've heard people have. It's. interesting how different brands market. to different people. And. I mean, how do they figure it out? Like. what do they work like. That that's where it's evil, right? Like. advertising itself. I don't have a problem with, but I did I. there is something weird about deceptive. advertising that's legal, you know? >> Well, they they do a a history on what. uh people like. I was watching or.

reading a story about the uh people that. started Forever 21. I forget what the. brand was. It was some Koreans from. South Korea, not to be confused with Kim. Jong-un and [clears throat] those. people. But, they were telling us something. They started a small boutique, and what. they would do was they would have these. clothing uh pieces of clothing, and they. would really pay particular attention to. what colors people like, um what was uh. selling the most, whatever, and that's.

what they buy. And one of the things. that made Forever 21 so popular cuz they. had really inexp- These clothes weren't. expensive, but they was turning them. over so quick, you know? So, people do. do case studies and see what people uh. attracted to. I know with um with black. people, um you you put lemon pepper on. anything, it's going to go out out the roof. You. could do lemon pepper chicken wings, lemon pepper french fries, anything. lemon pepper, they're going to go. I. don't know who started the whole lemon. pepper craze, but you lemon pepper.

anything, black people going to buy it. >> That's interesting, like how white. people are associated with very bland. foods. Eat. You know? Macaroni and cheese, mashed potatoes, mayonnaise. >> why you're connected with that. blandness? Cuz the way you pronounced. it. Macaroni and cheese? >> You'd never ever say If you tell. somebody If you say and you wouldn't be. able to be invited to the cookout, Joe. You know, people like you. If If you say, "Hey guys, I'm coming to.

the cookout," right? And I'm bringing. macaroni and cheese, you're going to get. uninvited to the cookout. >> What How should I say it? >> Mac and cheese. >> Mac and cheese. >> Yeah, you can't say macaroni and cheese. Nobody ever does that. Okay. >> You would They would look at you as a. spy. You would get invited and be. uninvited. >> Well, >> I'm a different type of white person cuz. I'm Italian and we're associated with. spicy food, very strong flavors. Yeah, but. >> It's a different like Italian people. don't like bland food. >> So you're not going to say.

you're not going to say. I'm. >> I'm bringing baked ziti to the barbecue. You'll be like I'm bringing ziti, right? Yeah, I don't know. I would say baked. ziti. Yeah, because there's different. kinds of ziti. You know, there's ziti. that you bake and then there's ziti that. you just boil and put, you know, marinara sauce on. There's different. >> say this. As much as, you know, community make fun. of um white people and their lack of. seasoning, that can save your life. Lack of. seasoning can save your life? How so? >> When you think about you look at.

somebody one the most country. uh. uh. home cook soul food spot, the one ingredient that's in everything. that you taste right off the rip is. salt. How good is salt for you? >> for you at all. It's all [ __ ]. >> salt is? All [ __ ] If you're feeling. a little off, it's okay. It's February. Everybody feels a little off in. February. It's darker, it's colder. You. probably already gave up on some New. Year's resolutions. But you don't have to wait till spring. to get yourself right again. It all. starts with making small changes to your.

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the problem. They associate salt with. high blood pressure, salt with this, salt with this. It's not true. It's [ __ ] What type of salt is it? Different salt? Is it No, it's not. Salt's not bad for you. Well, first of. all, there's iodized salt, which is. actually good for you cuz it contains. iodine. They add iodine to it, which is. good for you. But, salt is not a bad. thing. I mean, you shouldn't have too much. salt. Look, salt If you eat Look, if you. eat enough salt Like you could die. >> Joe, who can't be the president, educate. me with this. So, all of these years.

It's a It's a These people getting their. toes chopped off. That's not why. That's not why. If you're getting. diabetes, it's usually from sugar. Okay. You know, there's There's been a lot of. misinformation that's spread because of. actual scientists that were bribed by. the the sugar industry. So, the sugar. industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard. scientists. It was Harvard, right? I believe it was. They didn't even give. them a lot of money. Uh Was it the 1950s. or 1960s, Jamie? Do you remember?

So, this is all been outed now, but what. they did was they tried to associate. saturated fat and and foods with. saturated fat with being responsible for. heart disease. And they did that to try. to get the blame off of sugar cuz sugar. is [ __ ] terrible for you. It's. terrible in in basically every way, especially added sugar. >> are all of these diseases that we speak. of are more. more cur- happening. in the black community than in the white.

community? >> It's diet. It's 100% It's sugar. It's. processed food. It's diet. It's sugar. It's sugary drinks. It's the amount of. sugar like if you say if you drink like. a. a 1 L Pepsi. The amount of sugar that is Okay, let's. find that out. How much sugar is in a 1. L Pepsi? If you drink several of these a day, one. of them I believe is more sugar than. you're ever supposed to have in a day. Pepsi is the one and that's why it was. >> could be Coca-Cola, it could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew, name it. Pick your poison.

I think it's 100% Pepsi. Well, Pepsi's I. don't know if Does Pepsi have more sugar. than Coca-Cola? I don't know. Nah, I. took this off. You know, Coca-Cola is. one of the only things that's still. flavored with cocaine leaf. Uh sugar content 115 123 g in a 1 L. bottle. That's a crazy amount of sugar. 25 tsp. 35 sugar cubes. God damn. That's 130%. 138% of the recommended daily value of. sugar. That's That's where people are.

getting type 2 diabetes. They're getting. it from excess sugar. Specifically, excess sugar like in a liquid form, your. body does not know what the [ __ ] to do. with that cuz nowhere in nature do you. get sugar in a liquid form like that. Like even orange juice. Like people. think orange juice is good for you. It's. not. Like drinking orange juice Yeah, you're going to get some vitamin D, but. you're also going to vitamin C rather, but you're also going to get a gigantic. dose of sugar that has no fiber in it. But isn't it a different type of sugar.

in fruits and vegetables than what you. get off the counter or like. >> get fructose rather than high fructose. corn syrup. Uh you know, look sugar from. fruit is the best sugar for you because. it's attached to fiber. And that's. that's a slow release sugar. Like if you. eat an apple. Apples aren't bad for you. It's a natural way that your body. consumes sugar. But there's Apples were. bad for Adam. Uh I don't even know if it was an apple. It was an apple. >> It was a fruit from the tree of. knowledge, the tree of.

>> It was an apple. Uh It was an apple. >> But it wasn't an apple tree. What it. What specifically does the Bible refer. to as the fruit that. >> Adam and Eve Adam You know the truth? What? Eve never talked to God. Adam talked to God. Adam told God not to. eat the fruit. There's nowhere in the. Bible does it say that Adam went and. told Eve. This is why we should start. not just shutting women down to. listening to them. >> [laughter]. >> It all started as all biblical. >> Genesis doesn't specifically specify.

rather what kind of fruit Adam ate. Only. that it calls it fruit from the tree of. knowledge of good and evil. Yeah, so it's not necessarily an apple. We call it an apple. Uh, the text never names the species. apple, fig, etc. The Hebrew word is. perry, a general term meaning fruit. without a botanical detail. Where the apple idea came from over time. Jewish and Christian interpreters. proposed many candidates including fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others.

Now common ideas that an apple developed. later in European tradition helped by. word play in Latin and Old French where. the words evil and apple or fruit. sounded or were spelled similarly. So. it's not necessarily an apple. I really. don't know what to [snorts] believe but. I feel like I get so much more. information when I come here. I don't know if people understand that. Well, the crazy thing is that I mean I. I've found this out recently because. I've actually been reading the Bible. that the there's no reference whatsoever.

to Adam telling Eve you're not supposed. to eat the fruit from the plant with the. knowledge of good and evil. I never knew that. Yeah. I just knew it was. a white woman with an apple and this. [ __ ] got [ __ ] up after that. >> What happened was God created Adam. This. is what Genesis says. God created Adam. and then told Adam go and name all the. animals. And then when he was done with. that, Adam made Eve. But he never said it never says in the. Bible Adam told Eve do not eat the.

apple. Who's giving this us this. misinformation? Well, the problem with. the Bible. is first of all that it was an oral. tradition forever. So it was an oral. tradition for a long time before it was. ever written down. Then it was written. down in a bunch of ancient languages. It. was written down in ancient Hebrew, it. was written down in Aramaic Aramaic. And. then when you translate ancient Hebrew. to first they translated to Latin and. then they translated to Greek and all. these other maybe Greek first. I forget.

which one was first. But either way, the. the translations miss a lot of the the. language. It's a very complicated. ancient Hebrew is a very complicated. language. And numbers double as letters. in ancient Hebrew. So ancient Hebrew. doesn't have numbers. All their words. have a numerical value to them. >> What do you think. makes people so connected. to the Bible? Is it because of wanting. to believe in something? Definitely. >> Definitely wanting to believe in.

something and then specifically if you. look at like the teachings of Jesus. Christ. If you follow them, I think. it'll lead to a better life. I think it. makes you a better person, makes you a. better member of the community. It. reinforces community. It's like a really. good way to live your life. So I think. people that live that way, that actually. live that way, they're better examples. of human beings. So that makes it. reinforced. But it's also people there's. a lot of other religions that people. believe in that don't have those aspects.

to them. People want to believe things. People want to believe in things even if. you like like Scientology, people deeply. believe in Scientology and we know it. was written by a science fiction author. Right. Who was a bad science fiction. author. L. Ron Hubbard wrote some. terrible books. Like that guy would just bang books out. He never rewrote [ __ ] He everything was. a first draft. Just. just. He wrote more fiction than any human. being that's ever lived. And he also. wrote Scientology. And people believe in. it. I do believe pe- I think people like.

you say, people want to if your life is. [ __ ] up or whatever, they want to be. able to say, "Okay, this is my savior. If I believe in this, it's going to get. me on the right track.". >> 100%. >> And then with that, with these like. Chuskey just did a. a skit that went viral, all right? And. it was like he was making fun of the. mega churches and everything. But these. churches, like they give these people. something to believe in, make them feel. better, and they charge the people. Do. you think that it should be a. separation? If I If I inspire you, if my.

writings or my speeches inspire you to. want to do something and change your. life and be. more financially secure, do you think. these people are entitled to like, "Okay, almost like agencies." If I get. you to work or get you to should you hit. me off? Or the mega churches, is it so. wrong for me to just to pour all their. money to them or are they giving these. people something to believe in? If. that's the case, do I supposed to get a. piece of that? >> I think they're preying on people's need. to believe in things. And I think. they're very predatory. And I think. that's why they're flying private jets.

and driving Rolls-Royces and living in. mega mansions on giant ranches. And. they're doing it all off of donations of. people that are barely getting by. That's a lot of it. You know, I think. it's a scam that's legal. I think if we. were a just and righteous society, it. wouldn't be legal. Right. I mean, it's. you're taking advantage of people. when they need something to believe in. and you're asking for all their money. Like I remember I was watching this guy. on TV once. Like televangelists are the.

worst. And this guy was saying that if. you are broke, you should borrow money. to donate it to the church and it will. be paid back to you tenfold. That God. will pay you back tenfold. And then he. had all these examples of people that. did it and they would call in and say, "I I was a thousand dollars in debt and. this and that, but I borrowed a hundred. dollars and I donated it to you and now. all of a sudden I drive a Rolls-Royce. and it's all horse [ __ ]. >> But those are all desperate. desperate people. Desperate people. >> Those are the same people that I'm going.

to spend thirty dollars on a lottery. every day for like [ __ ] fifty years. and don't know how much they spend. >> scam. Yeah, that's another scam. Not. only is that a scam, here's the scam. about the lottery. Not only does like. say if everyone pumps money into the. lottery. Say you you buy a hundred. dollars worth of tickets and Jamie buys. a hundred dollars worth of tickets and I. buy a hundred. So there's three hundred. dollars in the lottery. There's not even three hundred dollars. available. if you win. Right. So and then if you. win, you don't get all the money. You. get the money over a long period of.

time. >> but. >> Right, right, right, but if you if you. take the second option, it's a. significantly like here's a good example. of it. Speaking of the Epstein files. What do you mean speaking of Epstein. files? >> Zoro Trust. >> [laughter]. >> I didn't like that transition. You look me right in my eyes and said, speaking of the Epstein files. >> Well, Epstein we were talking about it. before the podcast. Epstein came to see. you. No, Epstein did not [ __ ] come to. see me. >> you. They loved your show. Yo. He was. your He was your number one fan. >> First of all, I [laughter]. never He came TO WHAT? YOU DON'T KNOW.

LOOK, he they came to West Palm Improv. because you're a famous comedian and you. were playing in the town where he lived. So what are you saying? Nothing. But. what I'm saying is that. >> I'm on I'm actually. >> What I'm saying is Epstein won the. lottery. His company, Zoro Trust, won an. eighty million dollar lottery. And then they paid they they took the. pay off and the pay off was only thirty. million. >> or you mean with in company corporation? What do you mean when you say won eighty. >> They His company bought a ticket for the.

lottery. Yes, Zoro Trust, which is his. company. They won the lottery, which is. very suspicious. Not only that, he won. the lottery right after he was arrested. and went to jail for [ __ ] kids or. having sex or whatever whatever he was. arrested for. Sexual hand jobs, whatever. it was. So, there's nothing wrong with a. sexual age. >> underage. No, but when they're underage. girls, probably not good. >> didn't know that. So, then when he went. um and got the lottery money, the. company took the payoff. The payoff out. of an $80 million payment the $80.

million jackpot was only $30 million. So, if you want the money, you take 30. >> So, not only did they take 50 out of the. 80, but then you think about how many. people spent money buying lottery. tickets. It's way more than 80 million. So, they make money off of that, and. then they make money off of the fact. that you want the payoff instead of the, you know, the over So, they never could. It doesn't matter what the jackpot. becomes, they never could lose. They. They can't lose. Cuz they still. >> money from people that are desperate.

It's It's legalized gambling where the. house always wins. >> Right. Like, let's find that out. Like, let's say. Let's find. an average jackpot of Mega Bucks and. find out how much money actually goes. into it, how much how much money people. spend versus how much money the payout. is. >> So, when this. all lotos are state regulated, right? Right? I don't know. I don't know who. regulates them. >> So, they get.

say. they get $100 million from people trying. [clears throat] to win a billion. dollars. It's cuz it's state regulated. They do. they have to pay taxes to the government. for the money they A lotto? No, that's. the state. Well, it's the government. owns it. So, it's a it's a whatever the. Not only that, you pay taxes on it. So, say if you get that Yes. So, say if you take that $30 million. payout, you don't even get $30 million. Then you have to pay taxes on that $30. million. So, they get money from that, too. They can't [ __ ] lose. But for a.

person that's never seen. barely seen a thousand dollars anywhere, anything with millionaire or going to be. excited about and take it before you. >> Exactly. Exactly. And over time most. people are not going to win. So, most. people are dumping money into it. There. was a story of a young young lady. I. don't know exactly what it was. I think. she won some type of lottery where they. but gave her two options. She would get. I think it was like uh. a payout of like two or three million. right up front or they give her I think.

it was like $20,000 every month for as. long as she live. Yeah, that's how they. do it. >> did this Well, people think that it's. kind of crazy, but if you consider the. fact that she was probably 20, 21 her. life expectancy probably she was white, so she probably lived to 132. >> [laughter]. >> You know what I'm saying? She looked. like I that was a smart A lot of people. would not understand that. That was a. smart thing. But I would I did I don't. think it's for the rest of your life. I. think it's until it reaches that number. I don't think they're going to give you. money for the rest of your life. >> Well, maybe I was reading the headline.

>> was a different kind of lottery that I'm. not aware of. >> Maybe I think it was something as long. as she lives. That sounds crazy. Yeah. All right, here it is. Typical Mega. Millions jackpot run total ticket. revenue is usually several times the. advertised jackpot. But there's no. single fixed average because sales vary. enormously with the jackpot size. Still, you can get a good ballpark. So, around. 50% of ticket revenue goes into the. overall prize pool. So, the government. makes 50% right off the bat. >> Right. So, if it's a hundred. million-dollar payout, they already made.

a hundred million. So, this two hundred. million dollars is what they made, they. throw in a hundred million dollars for. everybody. Of that prize pool, roughly. two-thirds to three-quarters is. allocated to the jackpot with the rest. funding lower-tier prizes. So, that. means even if there's two hundred. million dollars out of a hundred million. dollars, only two-thirds of it goes into. the the big jackpot. Um. and that means the jackpot is typically. in the order of one-third of total.

ticket sales that run. And then out of. that 1/3, so say if it's 100 million or. with the Epstein case it was 80 million, he took the payout which was 30 million, so they make 50 on top of that, and then. on top of that you pay taxes on that 30. It's a crazy scheme. >> with the money? Whatever the [ __ ] they want. I think. they probably tell you. I think they. certain neighborhoods, I think they. probably pump a certain amount of. winning tickets into a neighborhood just. to get you addicted to keep going in. there and spend your money. >> [sighs].

>> How it's supposed to be random. You. know, I don't know how much oversight. Look, if a guy like Jeffrey Epstein can. win, I don't know how much oversight is. it. I know um back in Boston when I. lived there, Whitey Bulger won. See if this is true. I think he won the. lotto twice, which is crazy. Whitey Bulger, who is. that? That sound like. a movie. >> a South Boston mob boss. uh in the 1980s. when I lived there, the 1980s and 90s. A. mob A mob boss? Yeah, he was a dangerous.

dangerous guy. He was the guy that that. movie that Leonardo DiCaprio starred in. with Jack Nicholson. What was that movie, Jamie? Remember that movie that was based on. Whitey Bulger? The Departed? >> yeah, Departed, yeah. Yeah. Okay. That. was based on Whitey Bulger. He was a. gangster? Oh, yeah, terrifying gangster, yeah. What was his demise? He was actually a [ __ ] FBI informant. Not only was he a gangster, he was.

working with the FBI and they were. letting him get away with [ __ ] because. he was throwing other people under the. bus. I think there's a different I mean. They wound up catching him in Santa. Monica. Well, I found that. >> Hunting Whitey. About that Whitey Bulger. won the Mass Millions lottery about that. time, yeah. Yeah, he won the [ __ ]. lottery, man. So, uh. This is what it says here. What What it say? I think it was more of a scheme than. they actually won the pot. It's how he.

was taking money. It's probably a way to. like launder money. Yeah. Oh, 100% it's. a way to launder money. So, the way it. would work was like say if you lived in. the community and you won the lottery. ticket, maybe they would give you money. for your lottery ticket and then he. would get it and that way it would show. that this is where he got his income. from. Like these guys would all own. businesses, but the reason why they. would own businesses is so they could. show why they drive a Cadillac, why they. have a mansion, why they have this. because they have legitimate businesses. But really these businesses were scams.

>> My father convinced my family that he. was a real estate agent for years and. come to find out he was a heroin kingpin. in DC for years. All we needed was an excuse. He's. selling real estate, all right. That's. hilarious. Um so, he ordered the real winner to. sign the ticket over with Whitey and two. associates paying $2.3 million in cash. for 50% of the winnings. Bulger Bulger. himself paid Michael Linsky $700,000. Although Linsky lost money in the deal, he really had no choice. It came down to.

selling the ticket or risking his life. Yeah, so that's how it usually will. works. So, he was a snitch. Whitey was a snitch. Yeah. He was a. snitch and he got caught in Santa. Monica. He was Snitch or whistleblower? There is a difference. >> No, he was a snitch. Whistleblowers are. people that snitch on people in higher. profile positions like corporate. America. But what I'm finding out. >> No, he wasn't a whistleblower. He was an. actual snitch because he was turning. other people in. But he was a kingpin. Is this true? And I don't want to make. everything about race. Is that phrase.

snitches get stitches more prevalent in. the white community or the black. community or is it across the board? I. think it's across the board, isn't it? Like like the black community is famous. for keeping their mouths shut when. someone gets shot or when someone does. something. Like when cops come and. question people. >> anymore because what I'm Not anymore, but that was the thing with the mafia, too. Yeah. mob would never rat out. Guys. would just go to jail. >> now because now I see like especially in. my community so many people like rat I. got the paperwork and everything and now.

it feels like like. that model of being loyal. is dead. It's like people now they they. getting caught with [ __ ] in a minute. They get caught they snitch on everybody. and there's no repercussions when they. come home. There's no repercussions. I. don't see that as much. I see so many. people that are like they saying. whatever the [ __ ] they want to do. whatever and they still out here just. living their lives normal like ain't. nothing [ __ ] happened. Well, with the. mob it was always like if you ratted on.

the mob you were a dead man. You were a. dead man. Your family was probably dead. They'd burn your house down and and. people kept their mouths shut because of. that. And so guys would go to jail all. the time and never open their mouth and. they would be rewarded when they would. get out. And they'd have a party for. them celebrate. That's in Goodfellas. You kept your mouth shut. You never said. nothing. That was the whole thing. But. the whole thing I used to live by. >> That changed though like with John. Gotti. Like the the government. >> No, Sammy the Bull. >> the Bull and then and it wasn't just.

them like there's everyone was snitching. on everybody. It's like they got these. guys and you know, we had Donnie Brasco. in in the studio. >> From from um what um from that Bronx. >> Johnny Depp movie. It was called Donnie. Brasco. Okay. He Well, well, I'm not. confused that with um What's his real. John De Donnie Brasco's real name? Joe uh I'm not confused with Bronxtale. That's not Bronx Joe Pistone. Joe. Pistone. >> That's not nothing to do with Bronxtale, right? >> No, different story. That's different. story. Yeah. Um so Donnie Brasco was the guy.

who was he was an agent and he pretended. to be a mob guy and he got in with the. mob and was with him for like 7 years. Did all kinds of [ __ ] with the mob and. then sold everybody out and they all. went under. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just so diff. this the culture everything is. There used to be a phrase snitches get. stitches. Now I don't know if this just. everywhere but everywhere I go it's like. the most interesting thing now that's. selling on any platform especially. social media is beef. And I don't.

understand why people gravitate toward. negativity more than anything. That's. normal. Why but what but you know what? It's interesting. Your platform is not. known for that. No. Your platform but I. go to these other platforms and I don't. know I think these guys they people they. just sit back and it's like okay, what. can I say. to make people upset get them riled up. and then I take advantage of the. engagement that they do. They're in a. different game than me. All right, their.

game is trying to get engagement. My. game is talking to people that are. interested. >> don't doesn't that become. I don't want to be triggered anything. but doesn't that become destructive. >> 100%. >> 100%. >> And do you have you noticed. it especially I'll put it like this. especially with comedians with podcast. It would it would used to be a time. where like you say a person would go on. a podcast because they was interested. they told funny stories or they was good. at their craft or whatever but now it.

feels like all of these platforms and I. don't know that's just in my community. when I say that black people it's like. the only way I can find myself. interesting if I talk [ __ ] about people. Right. >> are going away from. being being funny. when you get interviewed. Like every. [ __ ] podcast I turn on now it's. somebody I'm exposed this person I'mma. tell this about what you didn't know. And the one thing they're not doing. especially as a stand-up comedian.

[ __ ] don't give a [ __ ] about. being funny no more. Are those days. over? >> No. No, no, no. Those people that do. that are almost always not very. talented. Almost always. The only. exception to that. >> The only exception to that is Katt. And. I think what Katt was doing was. different cuz what Katt was doing it was. exposing what he thought was snakes and. liars. >> Okay. Are you It's a different thing. Okay. Okay. I. Okay. This is my question. Okay. Okay. This is.

my question. This is my question. People can take it. Okay. Okay. I want to say this. This is what. I'm saying. Yeah, Joe, what are you. saying? >> I'm coming from this place. I'm like. this. No disrespect to whatever to Katt, but like. >> [snorts]. >> who asked you? Uh Shannon Sharpe did. Said When he did. that podcast. Shannon Sharpe might have asked one. question. >> Shannon but Shannon Sharpe likes that. Like that in his podcast he likes a lot. of that. His his people they find. questions. He's got a sheet of paper.

He's got questions. >> do with those Joe? What do you do with. those truths? What do you do with talking about I. watched I this is a horrible impression. I sat there in the parking lot and I. watched people go up in the Diddy's. house and they came down and they were. standing up. I'm trying to figure out. what the [ __ ] do you get out of that? What what what is the result of that? You expose these people to say what? Hollywood is never going to [ __ ].

change. You know what changes? Like what you do. I left [ __ ] Hollywood. Hollywood is. not going to change. And I'm not saying. I went to a Diddy party. First off, I. was never invited. There's a chance I would accept the. invitation with rules. You know, but if. what is the purpose of exposing. something Well, I don't think most. people are exposing. What most people. are doing when they're being negative is. they are jealous and they are below the. person they're talking [ __ ] about. Like.

whenever I see someone that's talking. [ __ ] about a high level. >> You don't think that you say that and. you use Cat Williams as an example. So. when you sitting there Joe. >> Well Cat first of all when Cat did it. was very funny which is different. Cat's a very funny guy and when he was. doing it I think he was also being very. funny while he was doing it which is. different. >> Well you have to put a lol on the end of. it cuz people might not understand it as. humor cuz this is what this is the. connection people have. They this is. what they the connection they have with. Cat they're like they this is what they.

say and they ride with him they say. where is the lie? Where is the lie and all this stuff. But. I'm just trying to understand what is. the purpose of exposing all this stuff. What do we do with this information? What do we do with the information that. Diddy like to have [ __ ] freak parties. with baby all this what the [ __ ] do we. do with all this information? >> Well Diddy's in jail right now so they. did that with the information. >> in jail for doing something that a lot. of people. I let me tell you something Joe. Tell me. something.

I was riding with Diddy for once I like. the music he did everything I don't know. Diddy like that but when I first. read. the definition. of sex trafficking. right? >> Uh-huh. >> I'm sure you're a versed person you're. smart. Uh-huh. The definition of sex trafficking to. transport a woman. across state lines with the intent to. have sexual intercourse with her. Right. >> When I heard that. >> paying them. it's trafficking is. >> No that's not actually my I I I I.

>> Really? This is my Jamie you can pull. this up. >> Wait a minute so if you are dating a. girl and she lives in Minnesota and you. live in California and you fly her to. California that's sex trafficking? >> and I'm thinking about. >> think that's true. I don't think that's. true at all. I think that's just flying. a girl in that you're having a. relationship. >> it flew it out flew it out. >> Yeah but that's normal everybody does. that. But that's the definition. >> It's commercial sex. >> Yeah commercial commercial sex act. Induced by force fraud or coercion. Huh.

well coercion is crazy cuz it's coercion. is like, "Please, I'll buy you a bag.". That's sex trafficking. That's a dick. So, like, if a girl Right, if you If you. If there's a girl she's like, "What are. you going to do for me?" Like, "You know. those shoes you want? I got those shoes. for you. Let's go shopping." Like, that's kind of sex trafficking if that's. coercion for money. Like, if a girl's thinking about coming. out to visit you and then you go, "Listen, listen, listen. What are you. looking for? What do you What do you. want to buy? I got money. Come on, let's. go shopping." That kind of would fall.

into that category. But, look, but we're getting off topic. Let's go back to the topic originally in. hand. The reason why these comedians are. negative I need to No, no, no, no, you're not going to get in trouble for. sex trafficking. Listen, that's all. horse [ __ ] But, the reason why these. comedians are doing it is because. they're never bigger than the comedians. they're [ __ ] on. Never. >> 1,000%. 1,000% what it is, Joe? And they're. never good. Yeah, you know what it is, too, Joe? Is that. deep down on his side, they want to be.

that person. >> 100%. >> And I tell you what, this is. >> to be in the position that person's in. is a better way of putting it. >> And now I'll I'll I'll use this. I'll. tell you this story. I realized I Not. Not to say names, but you It's so many. people that could be guilt guilty of it. And this is the thing that I hear that. understands me that that that that that. disturbs me is that you know the uh. a lot of these people that [ __ ] the. most. they at some point in their career, they. were favored by Hollywood. Yes.

>> At some point in their career, they had. these opportunities. At some point in. their career, guess what? They had the. agencies. They had the agents. And. something happened in their career where. they fell out of favor for whatever you. want to call that it Whatever you want. to call it Whatever Maybe something they. did. Agency didn't like like it too. much. And now everything that they wrote. on everything they wanted to do, now. it's all that's [ __ ] up and the way. you get this opportunity cuz it has to. be sexual favors and all that type of. [ __ ] And where do the [ __ ] you draw the.

line? >> But it's not even sexual favors. It's. like they criticize the work of the. other person. That person ain't [ __ ]. That person sucks. >> I Can I Yo, there's. Here's the thing. There was. >> [snorts]. >> Come on. You You get this all the time. because you ride with Dave and Dave's. number one, right? So you You always get. You always get this label even though. you're a great comic. You get this label. being a coattail rider. >> Right. And guess what? Everybody don't This is what I try to. explain to people, Joe. Everybody does not have to be Batman.

>> [laughter]. >> I don't have a problem with being Robin. You know why? Cuz Robin got the same. amount of screen time as Batman. And the reason why I say This is what I. get. And I'm I'm telling you this, Joe. I don't know if this gum is kicking in. >> [laughter]. >> This is what's This is what [ __ ] me up, Joe. This is what [ __ ] me up. And I'll. tell you example. I'mma give you. example. >> Don't give me examples. >> tell you. >> Are you putting on your phone? I'mma. tell you why. Because your [ __ ] shirt.

is [ __ ] triggering me right now. >> Kill Tony? Uh No, I don't want to. >> greatest comedy show of all time in the. history of the known universe? >> that, but there's a lot [snorts] of lies. involved. Okay. Listen. [laughter]. This is This is what they saying. THIS. IS WHAT THEY SAYING. >> DON'T PAY ATTENTION to what they saying. No, listen. Why are you doing that? >> Yo, YOU TOLD. >> WHAT ARE YOU PLAYING? things that the. Kill Tony audience say about me. Um. Chappelle's butt plug IS ACTING UP. AGAIN. >> [laughter]. >> YO, I GOT TO DEAL WITH THIS [ __ ] WHAT. IS THE. NO. WELL, YOU GOT TO STOP paying.

attention to it. >> It's so hard. >> Do you know what it would happen to me. if I paid attention to all the haters. that I have? I would go crazy. You. would. Do you think that you paid. attention to those haters Now you're in. a position right now you have so many. reasons to say [ __ ] them. Do you feel. like you had that same belief when you. was first starting this? Did you Did you. engage them then? Well, I engaged online. with a lot of people in the early days. cuz I didn't understand what you're. doing is you're engaging with people. that don't have happy lives. Right. And.

they're negative. And there's some. criticisms that are good for you because. some criticisms make you evaluate what. you're doing and say, "Okay, well, what. I need to do is be undeniable so these. critics mean nothing to me because you. can't I'm killing, the audience loves. me, I'm selling out everywhere, I'm. doing great on stage." That you can't. pay attention. >> what? You know what? I will say this, I. hear you, Joe. I tried that with them. [ __ ] on your shirt. You had one bad show. You had one bad. show. I never had You had a bad show. You had a bad show. >> Please don't do this to me, all right?

>> You had that one bad show where you went. back and forth with the you walked Did. you walk off the show? Who? Just sit down, man. >> [laughter]. >> I get sit the [ __ ] down. SIT THE [ __ ]. DOWN. YOU WANT ME TO PLAY IT BACK? PLEASE DON'T DO THIS. >> [laughter]. >> You were a little drunk. Who was the. comic? Who was the comic? >> I don't know his name. We don't need to. bring him up. Whoever that dude is, he's. funny. No, see now you're doing this. You know what you're doing. You're doing You're being a PROVOCATEUR.

RIGHT NOW. >> [laughter]. >> YOU'RE PROVOKING ME CUZ WE BROKE THIS. [ __ ] DOWN AND I DON'T WANT TO KEEP going. through this. >> think of this when I was wearing this. shirt. I'll change the shirt. >> No, it's okay. Put something over it. I'll wear a Benny the Jet shirt. Let's Let's break it down, Joe. No, we. don't have to. >> If we have to, you started this [ __ ]. All right? Thank you. I'm going to change my shirt right now. >> Yeah. It's like. I didn't have a bad show. You definitely. didn't have a great show, right? When you walk off, it's not good. Jesus Christ, GOD DAMN.

>> [laughter]. >> I FEEL LIKE CARRIE. THEY'RE ALL GOING TO. LAUGH AT ME. THEY'RE GOING TO LAUGH AT. ME. It wasn't. this for the last [ __ ] time, Joe. For the last [ __ ] time. And this is. what's so [ __ ] evil about this. situation. There's some people call it. bad show. I never wanted to do the show. But you. came back on. You had a good show, right? I want to go back. Let's rewind.

All right? And this is you were part of. it. >> Hey, look. I changed my shirt. >> No more trigger. >> that. Shout out to Benny the Jet. >> Okay, I feel a lot better now. >> [laughter]. >> So, oh boy. I need another piece of gum. >> [snorts]. >> I'm going to say this. Say what it's. worth. First off, I did not want the first time I did it. here in Austin. Right. I didn't want to. do the show. Okay. And the reason why I. didn't want to do the show, now you're. not even paying attention. >> a cigar? Yeah, I'll take a cigar. I I didn't want.

to do the show and I'll tell you why. Cuz I'm. the streets say I'm sensitive. You are a little sensitive. Can I have not have your opinion and. just listen to me, please? The um uh They know I'm sensitive. It was during the pandemic, Joe, you. remember, people would still come to do your. podcast cuz they know the benefits of it. and you had your thing going. They would. come to your podcast and then they would. [ __ ] leave cuz they didn't want to.

catch COVID and then they would leave. Tony stranded and he had no good guests. I was here, right? This wouldn't when. I'm talking about the time when Tony had. a black band. He still has a black band. All black. There's a couple of black people on in. there. I mean, it's I think it's mostly. black. Right? >> Okay. I want to tell the story. This is the. last time I'm going to talk about. >> Deep manness? I mean, name them all. >> time, Joe. I want to tell the truth. >> Drummer and the guitar player or not?

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Tony is like, it's hard for me to get a. guest, would you stay? And this is when you [ __ ] me up the. last time. You wasn't playing fair. Yes, you did. >> playing fair? No, I'm telling you when. you weren't playing fair. When was I not. playing fair? >> Can I talk? >> Please. >> [laughter]. >> All I wanted to do is I don't know if I. got to raise my hand. I just want to be. able to speak. It is my month. It's my. [ __ ] month. So, Tony said, would you stay? Come on. I. was like, you know, and I stayed, right? >> Okay. And I stayed and I stayed. I was. on the show for 2 and 1/2 hours. I told. him,

this is where it gets all crazy. I told. him I had a something I was supposed to. do later. There was another black comic. that was on the show. He started. roasting me. I had no problem with that. I had no problem him roasting me, but I. felt [ __ ] up because it was only me, him, and I was trying to get this guy. some sound advice, but the only way he. thought he's going to get off by [ __ ]. with me. So, I was like, "Yo, why you. [ __ ] with me? We on the same We on this. [ __ ] same team." What they did was. Look at the [ __ ] video. >> Okay. >> You see? I want [snorts] you to slow it.

down. >> Slow it down? Slow with the video down. It's like it's a Zapruder film. It's. like. You got to let me You're going to let me. freely get my thought, Joe. >> Sorry. It's so easy for me to get distracted. Just hanging out. >> pitch gum? >> [laughter]. >> So, if you look at this video, you see. him saying something to me, and then. when I leave, it's two different [ __ ]. comics on the [ __ ] stage. It's the dude that I was roasting, and.

then they show me the exit. And then. these Kill Tony bitch-ass [ __ ]. that I'm telling you, I'll get past it. They may Oh, Donnell walked up. I didn't. walked up. I had some other [ __ ] to do. Then the last episode, you and your boy. Tony, he called here, and Tony doubled. down on it, and he said, "No, that's not. what happened." Of course, them comment. [ __ ] the ones that be putting. cringe on here, they roll with it. >> Okay. Then I came back. Came back here on an amazing show.

Tony said it was one of the best shows. he's ever done. >> it was amazing? >> Cuz you were ready. I. I'm amazing. >> You You are amazing, but also you wanted. to get it back. Right? I didn't have You know what? This. is what Redman said to me. Redman Redman. Whatever the [ __ ] his name is. He. changed, too. [clears throat] I'm going. to tell you about. Let me tell you. >> [laughter]. >> I'm going to tell you the difference. between him, and I'm going to tell you. the similarities between him and Jamie a. little later on, right? How they're. divas now. And I know you said it. different. >> Jamie? My Jamie's a diva? Yes, you do.

The last thing from a [ __ ]. I will defend Jamie to the bitter end. >> Well, maybe you don't know him. I DON'T. KNOW [laughter] JAMIE? YO, LET ME TELL. YOU. THIS IS JAMIE. >> JAMIE BETTER THAN HIS MOM. But this is. the JAMIE I SAW. >> [laughter]. >> KILL TONY AFTER PARTY. >> SIT DOWN. YOU'RE NOT on camera. >> Okay. It was also Saturday night. >> Okay. He had a leather jacket on. He. don't have a leather Jamie had a leather. jacket on. He don't own a leather. jacket. Whatever it was. Do you OWN A. LEATHER JACKET? NO, HE DOESN'T EVEN OWN.

A LEATHER WAIT. WAIT. WAIT. [laughter]. WAIT. THE COLLAR WAS FLIPPED UP. >> MEMORY. YO, THE COLLAR WAS FLIPPED UP. >> LIKE DICE. AND THEN AND THEN HE HAD A. SHIRT HE MIGHT HAVE [laughter] HAD Timmy. No Brakes. He's confused. Yo, he had the shirt open to this button. right here. >> Oh, right. Yeah. Chains. >> And he was sitting in I don't know what. type of mousse or. >> me a gold chain? Mousse on his hair. PONYTAIL [snorts] WAS POPPING. >> [laughter]. >> HE HAD SOME TYPE OF MOUSSE OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? And then he was just looking and. I was like, "What's up, Jamie?" He was. like, he had his hands in his pocket. It was.

giving as they say it was giving Fozzie. attitude. I knew I knew that it changed. But this is what Redman Redman whatever. man he is. Redman. He said. after the show he said. "That must been the most epic comeback. in Kill Tony history." I was like, >> second episode was. He came back full. steam. >> what you're doing? I don't know. >> It was great. I'm trying to use a term. I don't I don't think this is passive. aggressive. But you're [ __ ] with my. MENTAL RIGHT NOW. >> NO, I'M TELLING YOU YOU'RE A GREAT comic. and you're funny as [ __ ] And when you. came back it was amazing. That's what.

you said. >> episode was great. >> This is the point I'm making that what. you're doing. Right. >> The first episode was great. Mhm. It was. Dr. >> [laughter]. >> It was. IT WAS DR. DR. YOU DOCTORED IT. >> [laughter]. >> BUT THEN THEN HERE'S THE THING. They. said. >> [snorts]. >> Redman Redman. He said. He said that was the greatest comeback. I was like, "It wasn't a comeback. You're editing what it was. And this. what I DID. >> YOU'RE EDITING IT. THIS IS WHAT I DID.

And I'm not saying I think about. the Kill Tony audience like that, but I. thought about them cuz what This is what. I said. I was like, this is what I went. like you said, I'm a great comic. I know. what I do. I said, you know what? I. don't want to give these [ __ ]. opportunity to be able to [ __ ] with me. So, I did before I went to the last I. said, okay, what did you do last time. that you're going to do different so. they won't say that. I was like, the. last one you had some drinks. Well, I I. wasn't able to do anything about that. cuz I had some more drinks. But I was. like, I tried to address what their. concerns were, right?

Which. and and with them it's not going to make. a difference cuz I know that last. episode. what did This is what I didn't. understand about Kill Tony. I didn't. understand the the the formula. I don't. watch it like that. First time I ever did it, I was. interrupting the one-minute part. You. know what I mean? Oh, okay. And Tony. told me first time I did it, he said, D, only one rule. He said, let them talk. for a minute. I said, Tony, why you have. this on me on the show? You know I'm. going to break the rules. >> [clears throat]. >> And he knew that, right? But then after. I.

I was like, I understood. how important it was to let those comics. get that minute. Right. So, when I did. it the second time with Rob Schneider, I. didn't interrupt. Sometimes my criticism. could have been too hard. I was trying. to be more supportive than anything. If. you watch the last one I did, I had. nothing bad to say about people in a. harsh way. Certain people I knew was up. there just cuz it was gimmick. And there. was certain people I was like, oh man, they really got talent. Like this one. lady, she was a older woman. I think. she's a regular there, right? I don't. know what she know what she was, but I. told her I said, you know, it's so.

awesome. I said, when I watch you. perform, I see passion. I see somebody. that's going into a different career. later in life, which is the hardest. thing to do. I made those points like and I wasn't. trying to be an [ __ ] And even I got. caught up on one and they ran with this. [ __ ]. And it's a song that uh there was one of. the acts by the name of Wanida. Wanida is a a gender What is it when you. Transgender? Yeah, you you have a dick. but you're a girl still? Yeah. Yeah, transgender, right? So, she came up with.

this song and she did a song we will we. will praise you. praise you. And I had a couple drinks, right? And I said and I was thinking. like. >> [snorts]. >> What? What, Jamie? I just started. playing it, sorry. What's up? >> [laughter]. >> Just start Oh, you geared up for that. [ __ ] huh? Put your headphones on. No, listen. Put your headphones on. Oh god, okay. Hold on, hold on. >> [laughter]. >> Go. >> Go ahead.

All right. >> [snorts]. >> Wait a minute, that's Wanita's version? That's not the. That's the. >> [laughter]. >> Okay. Okay, do you got Wanita's version? >> Oh, I can find it. Get to So, this is. what happened, Joe. So, I'm I had a couple I'm two two three. four five Titos in. >> [laughter]. >> And I'm only looking at the artist with. my peripheral. I'm not staring nobody. down and like looking at them in the.

through the pupils or whatever. So, the. performer, I'm going to say that cuz I. don't want to get anybody upset, the. performer was like. >> go. I just want to let them talk to still, though. Okay. Now, look how I'm not. paying attention. Right. [clears throat]. You're looking right at her. SHUT THE. [ __ ] UP! OKAY, LISTEN. >> [laughter]. >> ALL RIGHT, WE'LL SEE. UM SO, it was very strange when in 2004. Okay. Oh, they had to cut it out, too, I. think.

Probably the song. Yeah. I That's the gayest thing I've ever. done. And I do anal. Wanita, welcome back to the show. Got you a remix of that song for any. black guy watching her right now? Yeah. I DON'T KNOW. WE WILL, [screaming]. WE WILL [ __ ] YOU. >> [laughter]. >> PROBABLY TRUE until you find out she has. a dick, Donnell.

That is a trick. >> [laughter]. >> KEEP IT GOING. NO. KEEP it going. This is amazing. That's how it happens, ladies and gentlemen. >> [laughter]. >> They can't tell. No, no, no, come back. No. The brothers. >> [laughter]. >> The brothers can't tell. THE BROTHERS. CAN'T THEY WILL, THEY WILL [ __ ] YOU. >> [snorts]. >> THEY NEVER THE LAST. >> I WAS TRYING TO BE NICE.

DONNELL, THE [laughter] LAST. BUT KEEP it going. Keep it going cuz. this is hilarious. Whereas white guys know. >> [laughter]. >> THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE A WHITE GUYS. LOOK. CHARLAMAGNE'S GOING TO FIND THAT CLIP. >> [laughter]. >> WE WILL, WE WILL [ __ ] YOU. YOU are You ARE [ __ ] DONNELL. >> [screaming]. >> I'M GETTING WORD FROM THE STREETS.

>> NICE, MAN. >> [laughter]. >> I'm getting WORD FROM THE STREETS. I'M SURE THIS HAPPENED. >> GET BANNED LIKE DAVE CHAPPELLE, [ __ ]. DONNELL, I'M SURE this happened before. in Korea. >> Stop. [laughter]. I'm sure Korea is an 18-year-old boy. This is a memory coming back to you. Oh my god. This is usually how black guys react. It's pretty. Juanita, have you been with. a black man before? >> You go there. You keep it going. Keep it.

going cuz it gets you funnier. Okay, are you just saying that so that. he doesn't find you and kill you? No, I. was raised right. I'm just kidding. I mean, that's gay. Oh, [ __ ] Now I'm offended. No, I I have been I've been with one. He. was half. Okay, he was half. >> Half a black. Okay. MY CAREER IS OVER, [ __ ]. >> [laughter]. >> IS. IS IT OVER?

>> [laughter]. >> COME ON, THAT WAS FUNNY. >> NO, WAIT A MINUTE. It was funny and I. didn't take The funny thing about it was. I had a I did have a couple drinks, right? People like, "How did you not. know?" Like, um I live in the Midwest. and what I really thought it was I know. women that look just like Juanita. Sure. >> That That in the face is kind of like. sketchy, like a Dollar General one to. two. And uh I wasn't offended, but it just It. just caught me off guard. But what I'm. going back to what I was saying about. the Kill Tony thing.

And this is another thing people said, "Well, Donnell, you got upset cuz Rob. Schneider was roasting you or whatever.". First off, there was the first time Rob Schneider. was on the show, right? He didn't really. know too much about the Kill Tony. platform. I knew a little more than he. did. And at the beginning, he was kind of. cold, if you want to say. Not cold like. not funny, but he just wasn't warmed up. to the flow. And then I started saying. things that we was I was alley-ooping. him, right? >> Right. It Basically, people say what they want,

I helped get him comfortable on the show. and then he started crushing, right? He started crushing and then we did we. Anybody tell you that episode was. amazing. >> It was amazing. And but this is what. thing This is what That play That. platform is not a place for you to tell. how you really feel about somebody, right? And I owe Tony an apology and I'll tell. you why. When Tony did the um all right Aryan. Republic National Convention whatever, remember he did the roasting? Yes. For. that It was a very very testy time, you.

know? >> Right. Po- politics, everybody said you. shouldn't do do and everything. I told. him not to do it. You told him not to do the show? Or not. to do the The Republican Party thing. >> Here's the thing. This is what Just for. the people that's listening, this is. what happened at the end of that Kill. Tony with me and Rob Schneider. All I wanted to do I I I had the. question on where do you draw the line? Do you draw the line of what people. think how you're supposed to response. something or do you loyal are you loyal. to somebody or how.

And Tony wanted me to do that show and. anytime I've called Tony, he's pick up. the phone. Vice versa, we've been there. for each other. My publicist. I don't know if this is a good idea. right now to cuz what you think is a. nice gesture you want to do the show, people going to act like it's a. political stand. I didn't want that, right? So I had to make. >> listen to publicists. This is what I. learned now, Joe. What I'm saying that. was my inexperience whatever and. something I kept calling and I was like. what if I do this cuz I wanted to be. reconnected with him whatever and I told.

Tony he was hot. In a good way and a positive I felt so. bad I got called him I said, man. I really want to do the show but I think. people are going to take it the wrong. way now, right? And this is with me. I felt bad about it. I stood up at your. condo. I was on the balcony, bro. And I watched [ __ ] go on to the. show. I felt bad about it. I didn't do it. And only thing I wanted to do at the end. of that Kill Tony episode was to. apologize to him and say, you know, as a.

friend I probably wasn't there and he. understood even though I was like he's. never going to do the show again. He. said I'd love to have you there. The. only issue I had with Rob Schneider in. that moment he didn't have the sense of. me trying to say something serious, right? And he he was getting a laugh off this. one joke and it was at my expense. You. know, when I had this moment I was. talking about friendship and everything. Rob kept on with this [ __ ] corny joke. and I didn't want to flip out and then. people took that as like. oh yeah, Rob roasted him. The the out of here. I was trying to.

talk about and I had this issue. You might have the same issue. Some people know people certain way you. know them different way and I use an. example and I'm going to get. [ __ ] on for saying this or whatever. like oh how could you say that? I um. You got to stop worrying about what. other people think. >> Can't do it. [cough and clears throat] I. can't do it. You got to stop worrying. about what other people think. This is. This is the conflict. You You know how. you feel. Just be yourself. I'll just say this Kid.

Rock. Kid Rock, right? You say that name for some people in. certain places and they're like oh [ __ ]. him or whatever, right? >> Right. I met Kid Rock. some years ago when we were doing the uh. cornfield shows in um. in Yellow Springs and I tell people. [clears throat] something and we talked. about this earlier. Some people are. provocateurs. I really believe Kid Rock doesn't. believe half the [ __ ] he say, but I. think that he knows it's going to move. the dial as well as going to make him be. in the headlines and what people like oh. [ __ ]. >> Right. And he's going to stick to that. When we did that [clears throat] show in. Nashville, remember we hung out with.

him, went to his house? >> Yeah, exactly. Um and and with that even. when he came to cornfield that time this. was the point where he said some crazy. [ __ ] out his mouth. Nobody wanted to be. around him or anything, right? Right. Right? You know when I do I do. this thing called I do river runs in in. Yellow Springs, Ohio. And for some reason I take people down. the river and it's like a peace thing. like you and nature. >> photo of you right outside the door. >> I know I asked for that photo here too. You know what I'm saying? I love that. So now if you look at that photo you'll. see the energy. That's the vibe I was.

on. And nobody wanted to get close to. Kid Rock or anything, right? And I. remember as a kid how the black. community accepted him. He was cool. I'm. thinking about that [ __ ] We're riding. down the river. Kid is over on one kayak. I'm on the. other side. We're smoking joint and he. looked at me and I know he was sincere. when he said it. He said, "Man, it feel. like I just had 13 hours of anger. management, right?". And I was like okay, I'm not trying to. be a therapist or anything, but that. felt good. Then at the end we stopped. He's flipping burgers and. We got to know each other, we come in.

touch with each other. And um he was doing a comedy festival. in Nashville, right? He appreciated me. as a comedian. He said, "Yo D, I'm doing this." I was. like one of the first people he called, right? He said, "You want to do it?" I. was like, "Why not?" Then I thought about it, I. was like, "What Again, what you said, I. was like, what people going to think?". Seven comedians on the show, I'm the. only black guy. I knew what I was. walking into. I knew it was going to be all MAGAs. It wasn't going to be a gay person. It. wasn't going to be a [ __ ] It wasn't. going to be a lesbian. It wasn't going.

to be anything but bonafide, the real. real. red, white, and blue flag [ __ ]. But I said, "Darnell, can you separate. Can you go up here? Can you perform. and and be entertaining? Not shucking. and jiving or none of that type of. shit." I went up there, last person got. a standing ovation, right? At the end of. the show, this is what people might not. understand, and I'm not trying to defend. him or anything. At the end of the show, me and Kid Rock In this case, I want to.

say Kid Rock wasn't backstage, Bobby. was, right? >> Mhm. And he said, "Man," he looked at me. >> [clears throat]. >> He said, "Man, I think we just brought. this country back together." Right? And. I said, "Well, don't separate it, motherfucker." He said, "Okay." Two. weeks later, he do some other stupid. [ __ ]. When when when when Trump got elected, I know people went to his page to see. what his response was going to be. Was. he going to gloat? Was he like, "Fuck. y'all, this is America." He did this.

video, which I thought was so dope, cuz. it showed two sides of him. It showed Kid Rock. and it showed Bobby, right? And then how. they both uh responded to Donald Trump. being elected. The Kid Rock was the. crotch-grabbing [ __ ] [ __ ] you, right? Then he came out, you find this, he came out as Bobby with shorts, just. no American flags, baseball cap, [ __ ]. reading glasses, whatever. And I thought. it was dope. The dialogue that he had. with it, he played the victory. He said,

you know, you know, we did win, he said, but this is not the time to gloat. There's so much stuff that we need to. do. He said, all sides want to get to a. certain place, but we have different. ideas on how we going to get there. I thought that, for whatever people want. to think, I thought that was showing an. another side. And also I told him, cuz I. would talk to him off and on. I said, you know what song you you should do? You should do Nina Simone's uh song um. uh Misunderstood.

Right? Just sing that [ __ ] But I know. he wouldn't never do that because the. base that really likes and res. supports him might blow up or he's soft. now. Point I'm making with even though with. Tony, with the situation, I consider. Tony a good friend of mine for different. reasons, right? That's why I wanted to. have that moment to say that, but Rob. Schneider, as much as they say I took. away from moments on that show, he took. away from that moment. I wasn't trying. to be a [ __ ] I wasn't trying to be. soft, but I wanted to say I apologize. cuz sometimes friendships got to be. stronger than that, and that's where I.

was with it. And as much as I don't need. the Kill Tony show. And this is what I. always say about that show. I said, there's not That reminds me Kill Tony. reminds me of the Def Jam era. Right? And when I say that, there was a. platform. for undiscovered talent, people that. you've never seen, for it's such a. spectacle like Def Jam. It was people. that didn't have the skill set to. [ __ ] go headline, but they was being. seen. Same thing with Kill Tony. You look at. what you. >> phone on? Is your phone dinging? Shut.

that [ __ ] off. And you look at This is. what I appreciate about that show for. [clears throat] whoever likes it or. whatever. It's a platform to get on. I've traveled around the country. It. used to be, you remember back in the day. it was like, oh, I need to be on. Letterman. I need to be on the Carson or. whatever. That is the I got to get on. killtone. >> 100% And in some cases, there's some. good and bad to that. There's some. people that was ready for it. There's. some people like, you know what? You had. two or three minutes worth of jokes, you. know what I'm saying? You're not ready. But it gave people some hope. When I was. standing at the hotel the other day,

three people. traveled across the country like with. the hopes of that, you know? So, I know. how important that show is. You know, is. it the fan base I want them to be like, "Oh, I can't wait to see him.". But for me. I always my whole career, y'all, always. wanted to be around the people the. places that they say the best comedians. perform. When I started um. when I was in New York, I always I. wanted to get passed at the Comedy. Cellar. Not because I wanted to be a cellar. dweller. I didn't want to be the guy in.

the back [ __ ] just every weekend just. sit back there telling war stories. I was like, "If this is where the best. comics perform, I want to be a part of. that. I want to be passed that." Cuz. when I got passed. in the Comedy Cellar, it wasn't a lot of. black comedians working the Cellar. It. was Greer Barnes. It was Keith Robinson. RIP, it was Wil Stephenson. Patrice. Patrice, Dave Chappelle. In fact, Barry. Katz had a room, Boston Comedy Club. And. it was black night on Sundays, right?

The black comedians would look at me. like they said, "Where you going?" I was. like, "I got a spot at the Cellar." They. were like, "How the [ __ ] did you get in. the Cellar?" The way I got into it was. put the work in, I hung out, got a. couple of recommendations, and when it's. time for me to showcase, I did my thing. But the minute I got passed in the. Cellar, I didn't really care about. working there all the time. I just. wanted to be validated as like, "This is. the spot." Same thing. >> it. You know, same thing with the Comedy. Store. Same thing with what you're doing. here. It was that part of it. I get it. Um Greer Barnes, probably one of the. most underappreciated talents in the. country. But you know what?

>> that dude for 30 years. He's a funny. [ __ ] and he's been funny. forever. You know, so funny that you. said underappreciated because, you know, when you you know comedians that put the. work in or whatever. It's a phrase that. people use underrated, but then you got. to ask who rated. You didn't use those. words. You said under appreciated. But. he is. I don't know. Sometimes you got to ask. yourself. He's not underrated by comics. He's under appreciated by audience. members for whatever reason. I think. it's a social media thing. I just think. he doesn't have a big presence on social. media for whatever reason. He's a solid.

solid [ __ ] comic though. Always has. been. And he's a solid guy. >> And a good dude. But that's another. thing. That's just the era that we in. right now and it's like and you notice. it's even more so now. The most talented. people aren't getting the shots if you. don't know how to evolve. Well, it's not. even just that cuz like look at Dave Not. Dave Chappelle, excuse me. Dave Attell. Dave Attell I think is one of the. funniest dudes who's ever lived. Ever. Ever. One of the best comics ever in the. history of comedy. And mostly does.

clubs. He does like theaters and stuff. like that. He should be sold out arenas. all across the country, but he does not. promote himself. He's not into social. media. He doesn't do much. other than specials. I don't think I. think Attell would be petrified. Not. that he couldn't do it and it was. probably Remember with the show he had? What was it? The late night show. That. was before anybody was doing it. Yeah. The late night show he go to bars and. stuff like that. >> Uh-huh. Insomniac. Yeah, Insomniac. This is. before everybody was doing it. I don't. think that some people they like.

I think he's always going to make. millions of dollars touring or whatever, but I think his comfort zone is like. he's a not a club act, but he's a club. comic. I think the best thing for him he. ever wants to be is in front of 250 to. 500 people. Well, he's awesome in that, but he does like when Bert does arenas, he does arenas and he murders in arenas. I think the the real thing with him is. that he's just focused on his craft. only. And the props that he gets from. other comedians on podcasts and things. along those lines is what really fuels.

his popularity. And then when people go. to see him just word of mouth. >> Do you think some people might be afraid. of a certain level of fame that they. don't want to have? >> There is that, but I don't think he's. that. I just don't think he thinks about. it. I mean, he doesn't even have a. phone. Like he he carries a flip phone. with him all the time. He has a iPhone. that he like stores away and sometimes. he uses it. But when you text him, he. texts you on like do do do do do do. Or. you got to press four You know what it. is though, Joe? You know what it is, right? Well, he doesn't want to be. distracted. >> He's in the Epstein files.

Yo, you got to have a distracted. >> a burner phone if you heavily in the. Epstein files. No, I think. >> He's only in the Epstein files cuz he. was on a lineup that Epstein was going. to go see at the seller. I think Dave. Attell. Luis J. Gomez is on that, too. That I. like. I think Dave Attell is like I. think. Dave Attell's ultimate happiness. is being on stage. >> phone off, man. Put that [ __ ] on silent. Just put it on silent. Do you know how.

to do that? You don't know how to do. that. >> me like that. >> Put it on do not disturb. You don't know. how to do that. >> It's [clears throat] off. It's off. Okay, keep doing it, you popular. [ __ ]. I think some people I think my opinion. Dave Attell, his comfort zone is [ __ ]. just being as incognito as he tries to. be, it's just like oh, I came over this. I don't know anybody that turns over. material. It's certain comics you look. at, Joe, and you like god damn. This. motherfucker's constantly trying.

Like. when I work with Dave, he forced me to do that. Deon Cole is. another guy. When I watch Deon Cole does. like at the Hollywood Improv, I think. maybe three times a week. He just have a. Monday night and he just uses a workout, right? Me, when I go into a spot, I'm. trying to beat the [ __ ] I'm trying to. beat it up. So sometimes I get. distracted on what I'm really there for, that's to work out new material. There's. a such a that there's a different level. where you just like, you know what? I. could deal with the silence. I could. deal with something not working. And. when I watch people like him, there's.

another comedian in LA by the name of. Malik S that doesn't have all that. notoriety like that, but when I see him. I'm like, "Damn, every time I see this. [ __ ]. he's working on some new [ __ ] and has. the same passion." Everybody doesn't. have that. That's why David Tell will. always give. other comics something to like try to. achieve cuz he like, "You ain't going to. see him doing the same [ __ ] It's always. a flip." And that's what makes him who. he is and that's why he gets so. respected by so many people. >> Well, he's he's only focused on his. craft. Whereas some people really.

focused on social media and promotions. and they have a guy that films them. doing a bunch of wild things and edits. with music and. >> I've never seen so many comedians have. full-out. production crews with them. Right. On an. intro. I know. On stage. >> They think that that's what they need, you know, they think that's what they. need to separate them. And it does get. them attention. But what it takes away. it it it does draw some focus away from. what you're trying to do which is work.

on your [ __ ] and come up with new stuff. Whereas Tell doesn't have any of that. But with that said, it takes away, but. then it also lets you know who the. special people are. Right now, [ __ ]. my goddamn um. guy that services my pool and [ __ ] said. he's got a he's got a special coming. out. I don't know who doesn't have a. special coming out. And the thing about. it is like, now Joe, you know it, specials aren't If you really look at. it, specials aren't special anymore. It's special. >> word, right? Specials are a weird word. It's it's special. >> I got a new special. Like no other art.

form calls it a special. Like if someone. like Taylor Swift puts out a concert. video, it's a video of her performance. You know, a musician puts out a a video, it's that. It's like for a comic, we got. a weird word, special. You know what. special is now? What what you get. excited about special if you If people. still do that, it's who's putting it. out. It's special people that do it. It's special people that like. um they Sebastian, he's doing a special. You know what I'm saying? [ __ ] Tom. does a special. It's special people.

where you know a special. And a lot of. them now is just people that's doing 45. minutes worth of comedy. No beginning, no middle, no end, no. point of view, you don't know anything. about them. It's just like the same way. they do photo dumps, it's just like joke. dumps. Right. But I I just say, and I'm. not People say Dave Chappelle's a butt. plug. But one of the thing I could say, however you look at it. >> a what? No, I'm Dave Chappelle's butt. plug. I'm going back to That's what. people, you know, they You You got to. stop listening to what other people say.

Joe, I'm segueing into a story. Is it about Jamie wearing a Fonzie. jacket? >> [laughter]. >> He's got them in all colors. He's got. them in all colors. He's got a red, white, and blue one. >> and like people He took it off before. the show. People get so critical, but at. certain point. people. evolve. People that So, you know them a certain. way, but then you talk about a person. who's a 35, 40-year career. Like people.

like, "Well, this last special so-and-so. did, it wasn't that funny." But how. often How long are you going to just be. like rip-roaring funny? Some people have. a position where when they talk people. listen. And I look at I use Dave as an. example. If you look at all his. specials, 20 years from now, right? You have a Netflix and chill day or. whatever. If you play all the specials that Dave. ever did, you would know exactly what. was going on in the world at that time.

You know what I mean? >> Right. You know what's going Some people. put out singles, they got one or two. jokes. And some people pull out put put. put out albums. He's He's one of those. people. Sebastian is another one and you. look at like you see how his comedy has. evolved. People get older, they have. different perspective on life, and. that's what you have to [ __ ] accept. them for, but we don't we don't do that. And another thing, I don't know. if this is prevalent in your community, and when I say that your community is a. lot of people, but.

my community, man, it's just so much. dumb beef. And I've. it's only one white white beef I've ever. known about, and that's yours. Mine? Yes. What do you mean? The beef that you had. with the I don't even know. >> Yeah, years ago. >> Oh, well, that was the same thing like. with Cat. Like some [ __ ] just has to be. exposed. That was a real problem, man. You weren't around the store back then, but it was a real problem. Where he had that special or that show.

rather on Comedy Central after Dave. left, which he was basically [snorts]. doing his version of Dave's sketches. And he was stealing. >> Do you think it was his version of. Dave's sketches or. >> of [ __ ] was. Like the when when he. dressed like the white guy and had white. paint on his face and wore the white. wig. It was basically the same character. that Dave was doing. >> Yeah, but if you look at the history of. sketch comedy, I don't think Dave was. the first person ever painted dressed. himself up to look like Yeah, but It was. right afterwards. Right after. Same.

slot. Anything. that came after Chappelle's show, they. would have compared it to. >> Dave was saying it. Yeah. Dave never. talked [ __ ] about nobody. He was like, this [ __ ] is doing my show. Dave. was saying it. Dave doesn't talk [ __ ] about nobody. Right. It was but that was the that was only. one of the problems. The real problem. was he would sit in the back room and. watch open mic nights and take their. [ __ ] Like when they would flash the. light when he was in the room, so comics. wouldn't do material. They would start.

doing crowd work. So, why didn't he get exposed before. that? Why did it just come out then? >> Because nobody had the balls to do it. >> And then he had the balls. >> Because he was famous at the time, and. he was [snorts] doing And look at it. cost me. I got banned from the store. I. lost my agent, and I was famous. I was on Fear Factor. I was rich. I. There was a I had a lot going for me. where I could stick my neck out. But you. came back stronger. I give another. example like the same situation with. Dave and Comedy Central and [ __ ] As. much as he went through that Yeah. >> he took a 12-year hiatus or whatever you. want to say.

>> showed in that is that he's a real. artist. Right. >> Dave just said, "Fuck it, I'm going to. disappear for a while like a legend." He. just disappeared. I remember when we I. was hearing stories about Dave doing. shows where he would set up a speaker in. Seattle in the park and just start doing. stand-up and people are like, "What the. fuck?" And for no money. People would. just show up and he would just do street. performances. >> But you know what's what was kind of. where he got it from. You you've heard. of a comic, I'm pretty sure of it, Charlie Barnett. >> 100%. Yeah, we played Charlie Barnett on. the show. I knew Charlie. Charlie was.

like, if you ever thought you were funny. whatever, go This is what the art of. Only people I've ever known that got. certain level of success with that. Charlie Barnett, Michael Colyar. When he. used to live in his speech. >> Right. >> But people don't understand how. with Charlie Barnett would like. to go to a park, go to the center of. Washington Square Park. >> and get a gather around a bunch of. people in a circle. >> It's a certain certain technique. Not. only that, you got to hold their. attention for one joke. Right. You got. to get them involved, blah blah blah. blah. >> Yeah.

>> and you build this audience up and then. it's really for one joke. >> A lot of people don't know that Charlie. got Saturday Night Live, but he couldn't. read. >> Yeah, he couldn't and that's what gave. opened up the door. >> Yeah. And and but but he was so gangster. like when they wouldn't give him spots. because, you know, he was probably a bit. to deal with. He would go to the Boston. Comedy Club and yell in there, "DON'T GO. IN THERE! I'M DOING MY SHOW IN 5. MINUTES!" THE WHOLE [ __ ] club. would come out. That's how much power he. had. But then sometimes that we become.

victims of our own vices and everything. and destroy us more than anything. That's why when people talk [ __ ] about. like they say, "Oh, Kevin Kevin Hart. didn't get out the mud. It's you got. funny, but you know. funny isn't everything. It's okay, you're funny. That's not Oh, so good that you got talent, but more. importantly is your work ethics and how. do you take your God-given talent and. your passion and turn it into money? You know, you're into music and.

everything. You probably couldn't name a. million saxophonists or whatever that. didn't get the do that you could be. like, "Well, listen to this shit." But. for some reason they didn't have the. business part and and and all that. together. And I'm going back. I'm. probably talking in circles now, but. this what upsets me the most about uh my. folks or whatever and these people that. go on these platforms and talk [ __ ]. about people. There was a comedian that. was talking [ __ ] about Martin Lawrence, right? Well, I saw Martin Lawrence and. Martin Lawrence in the casino, he's.

really. it's not that funny. I'm like this, "Motherfucker, he's Martin Lawrence.". Well, they didn't know him in the '90s. No, this person No, this No, this person. particularly. it No, if you just know Martin Lawrence, period, that's enough. Richard Pryor, before he passed away, when he was in a. wheelchair, damn near rolled him out on. the stage, sold out audiences. I. followed him for 6 weeks. I followed him. for 6 weeks at the Comedy Store when he. was like that. >> Certain people, Joe, I look at it this.

business are made people. How dare you. talk [ __ ] about this [ __ ]. >> a good way to put it. He's a made man. Another thing, Joe, A legend. Yeah, you. know, in this business, you can have a. career, right? But you have certain. times where you just ruled. You had 3. years. Martin Lawrence, film star, uh movie star, comedy star. He had one. period of time for 5 or 7 years when it. was just Martin everywhere. How dare. you, as a person gets older, and whether. he has a good bad a night or a bad. night, how are you to judge? And you. ain't doing [ __ ] How are you to judge a.

[ __ ] that When I was coming up, Joe, every [ __ ] black comic in the. business wanted a audition. Everybody. wanted to be Hustle Man. Everybody. wanted to just get two or three minutes. on Martin show cuz they knew that dude. that would do their career. So, you. judge a [ __ ]. years down the road, right? Where they. basically When Martin goes out, guess. what? Martin not doing no tour saying. I'm doing 45 minutes whatever. He's. like, "Y'all want to see me? Guess what? Y'all going to see this young talent. You going to see this person. I'm.

putting people on." How dare you even. have come out your [ __ ] mouth and. talk [ __ ] about this [ __ ] How. dare you talk [ __ ] about [ __ ]. who talk [ __ ] about Kevin Hart? How dare. you talk [ __ ] about a [ __ ] that. was rocking with a dude Nate Nate Smith, RIP, passed away? I remember when Kevin. Hart was the one and [ __ ] doing. those comment cards. All right. All. right. I'm doing e-miss e- e- email. list. One person I I remember when. [ __ ] Kevin Hart had [ __ ] 20,000. people on Instagram, no, on Twitter. And. at a radio, he was like, "Yo, radio.

station, yo D, this is probably I seen. the hard work. I see him not just come. to [ __ ] New York and do the black. rooms. I'm doing the black rooms. I'm. doing the white rooms. I'm doing all. this shit.". How dare you I'll I'll just say this and. I'll answer this. And ain't no beef for. nothing. Katt Williams said, "This is what Katt. Williams said about Kevin Hart. I I find. it very strange that you just come from. New York and then you have a TV show and. a movie show and how does that happen? You were in New York." I'll tell you how. it happens.

You're on the biggest showcase in. comedy. And you know what that is? JFL. Just For Laughs. Kevin Hart was a product of that. Mo'Nique was a product of that. Dave. Chappelle was a product of that. No, Kevin Hart wasn't pounding the streets. in LA, but he happened to be on a. showcase. When you When back in the day, you do a JFL, it was [ __ ]. leaving there that probably had $500 in. the bank leaving with a quarter million. dollar development deal just to do.

nothing. That's the era it was. I. remember So, just because you weren't in. LA doesn't mean you wasn't you weren't. beating the pavement. And I don't care. In LA you got LA and New York, nobody as. a stand-up comic grinds as hard as a. comic come from New York opposed to LA. And the reason why LA don't have that. many stages. LA don't have that many stages. They. used to tell you all the time as a. stand-up comic, if you if you're trying. to be an actor or whatever, go to LA. If. you want to be a great stand-up comic, bang it out in New York. And this was. this was the rule back in the day, Joe.

Let Hollywood call you. You just don't. go to LA to sleep on somebody's couch. Some people had that story, but it was. like you grind. And back then. Everybody's got their own path, Darnel. You can do whatever the [ __ ] you want. Just work on your act. >> That's the point that I'm making. Yeah. It's just everybody's got their own. path. The real problem in this. conversation is what I said earlier. It's worrying about what other people. think. The more you spend time worrying about. what other people think, the less you're. worrying about what you're doing. You less you're thinking about what. you're actually trying to achieve. And I.

listen to what you're saying and I don't. listen to what you said. And and the. reason why I say that, every time I go. into this rabbit hole or whatever, and. it's the echo. It's like a a a a a rogue. angel right here and it's whispering, "Don't read the comments.". >> Yeah, but I'm right. I still read them. I know you shouldn't. >> But I I'm I'm stopping. But this is. another thing I didn't know. >> [snorts]. >> What I didn't know. is that. white comedians actually. have beef with each other.

I did not know or at least it's not uh. you don't hear about it. It's rare. It's. more rare and the ones who have beef are. usually failures. They're usually people. that aren't doing well. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Okay. I'm. exposing the industry right now. I'm. exposing. I have an example so funny. And this was interesting. I was at the. Comedy Store. Oh, you told me this. >> [laughter]. >> So [ __ ] funny to me, son. About 2. months ago, right? I'm good friends with.

Bill Burr. You know, we did we had the. I'm Rich [ __ ] Tour with Charlie Murphy, me, Bill Burr years ago. And I know. Mark Maron. Right? I don't know what I found out is. I didn't know Mark Maron the way white. people know Mark Maron. Right? So, I know Mark Maron. Like when I see. Mark Maron, I was like, "Oh, that's the. guy that had one of the greatest podcast. out. That's the guy that was one of the. alternative comedy favorites. Mark. Maron's special ba ba ba ba ba.". So, when I see Mark Maron, I have a.

certain level of respect. Like, "Oh, that's the guy who did it or whatever.". So, I was doing Andy Letterman's show. for what Annie would or whatever, right? And I love that girl. Um and I'm in the green room and I'm. smoking a joint. I forgot who sponsored. this weed, but it was incredible, right? So, I'm in there and I'm cracking jokes. Bill is right there. And then Mark is. over at by the side of the door and I'm. cracking jokes with Bill and everything. and I felt something did nobody was. really laughing at my jokes, right? Then. all of a sudden a whole [ __ ] argument. popped off. And it was like.

it was white argument because it was so. nice. They were so gentleman to each. other. It was a whole bunch of, "Oh, yeah, but you'll never do my podcast.". It was like podcast beef. I'm right in. the middle. I don't even know I didn't. even know that they had beef like this, but they were so gentle about it. But I. tell you the difference between white. beef and black beef. I never felt that I. was going to get shot. Yo, I felt so safe. Yo, if anything, I. thought it'd be like lawsuits the next.

morning, defamation of character, slander, but I never knew that it was. [ __ ] Caucasian and on Caucasian beef. like that. And it was entertaining. This. is an example. Mark Maron was doing. really well at one point time in his. career and now he's not. So, Mark Maron. had the number one podcast and after a. while his podcast wasn't even in the top. 200. It dropped off. Bill Burr, his career is. took off. He's doing arenas. He's. killing it. Mark's not. And Mark finds. reasons to criticize other people that.

are doing much better than him. And he. focuses on that because he thinks he. should be getting more than he deserves. >> But do you think that's going back to. being a provocateur? He knows if he. talked his [ __ ] No, no, no, no. I think. it's going back to being bitter and. jealous and thinking about other people. instead of thinking about himself and. why people don't want to go see him. anymore. He was upset when we left the Comedy. Store because we took the crowds away. And it's like, "Hey, you were on the. [ __ ] marquee, too, man." Right. You. They're not coming to see you. And the. reason why they're not coming to see you. is cuz you're not doing well. And your. podcast was in the top It was number.

one. And when it was at number one, by. the way, this is what I always say about. Marc Maron, he was great. Marc Maron was. fun to hang out with when he was killing. it. >> What? Because he was happy. Cuz he was getting validation. Because. he had the number one podcast, we were. friends. Like, I did his podcast, he did. mine. We had a good time. I'd hug him. when I see him. He like We had gone back. and forth many times to having beef with. each other. His problem. was when everybody else started doing. really good and he started dropping off.

That's what happened. >> What This what I don't understand. Why. can't people understand that you have a. moment? Like I was talking. >> Because he's a [ __ ] narcissist and he. wants the moment to always be around. him. He wants it to always be about him. And. when other people are doing better than. him, he wants to talk [ __ ] about them. And that's what I feel had a problem. with it. >> think being a narcissist in this field. is a bad thing? I for some reason I. think that kind of fuels you to be the. person that you are, to be determined to. do and not give a [ __ ] about what nobody. think. >> Well, having self-respect and having an. ego where you care about what you put.

out, yes, that's a good thing. But. making it all about you and not being. able to appreciate other people's work. is crazy because other people doing well. can be fuel for you to be inspired and. do better yourself. And that's a. positive thing. And if these people are. your friends and you love them and you. care about them, you should be happy. that they're killing it. And if you're. not killing it anymore, you should try. to figure out why. Because it's not like. the door's not open. It's not like. you're not getting on stage. It's not. like you're not putting out specials. You should probably figure out why your. podcast dropped from number one to not.

even in the top 200 anymore without. anything happening. You didn't get. arrested. There was no scandal. There. was nothing crazy. You should try to. figure that out. And he doesn't do that, cuz he's instead bitter. Bitter and. jealous. He's always been like that. I. didn't know about that. >> about Jon Stewart. And Andrew Schulz. came on the podcast and told the story. about Jon Stewart and Maron, where. Maron confronted Jon Stewart when Jon. Stewart got some television show. He. called him a [ __ ] sellout. He yelled. at him all this different [ __ ] Jon. Stewart left the show, and they hired.

Maron to do the same show. Yeah. The. same show that he was calling Jon. Stewart for being a sellout. >> So, how do you go from that to Okay, for. you to have one of the biggest podcasts. at some point in your career, you had to. be likable, or you think people just. wanted to do the show because. >> a very good pod- podcast back then. Right. The thing that killed Maron's. podcast, my personal opinion, no hate, is that he has this rant at the. beginning of his podcast that's not. entertaining. I don't think it's good. And he the rant was long, and he would. just ramble about himself. He was very.

self-obsessed. And I just don't think it. was good. And I think that was part of. the problem. It's also the problem was. how he interviewed people. He had a very. confrontational interview style, specifically with some comedians that he. felt like were below him or that he. could pick on. You would think that that. style would work in this day and age. >> No, no, no, no, no. People don't want. always to be uncomfortable. They want to. like you, man. They want you to be a. good person. >> People want train wrecks. They want. train wrecks for 15-second or 30-minute. 30-second Instagram clips. They don't.

want train wrecks to be their primary. thing that they're listening to when. they're in traffic on the way to work. But the people that host these podcasts. now, like I think people going to these. podcasts now are like this, "This is. going to be clickbait. >> We're going to go viral. Yeah, but. that's they're not that talented. That's. why they're doing it is cuz that's their. only method of getting attention. If they were entertaining and. interesting and fascinating, then their. podcast would be about that. You know what? >> in what you're trying to focus on. What.

I try to focus on on my podcast is who. do I want to talk to? I never have. someone on and go, "Oh, this would be. great. It'd be very controversial. People will [ __ ] hate them. It'll be. crazy. They'll say wild shit." I never. do that. My podcast is only about who do. I want to talk to? That's why I have a. lot of people on that aren't even. remotely famous because they're. interesting. >> Right. >> I find them interesting. I find what the. book they wrote interesting, the. documentary they made interesting. I. want to know something about them. It. stimulates my curiosity. >> Do you think that there's going to be a.

a [clears throat] shift? Do you think. that. these salacious interviews, these interviews with the provocateur, you think that. >> think about it. That's my key. You know. what's so funny? I would say this, you know what's funny. about what you said? That I was with. Dave a while ago and he echoed the exact. same thing and I was having this. conversation with him. He said, "D, I don't even think about that shit.". Yeah, don't think about it. There's. other things to think about. This is. I've I've said this too many times. If. people heard this before, I'm sorry. Think of your focus and your attention.

like a number. Think of you have like. 100 points in a day to spend on things. If you spend 30 of those points thinking. about haters or 30% of those thinking. about bitter people, 30% thinking about. other people that are doing better than. you, that's 30% that you robbed from the. 100% that you have to focus on your. life. I have things to do, man. I have a. family, I have friends, I have loved. ones, I have interests, I have hobbies. I have comedy and podcasts and the UFC.

and all these different things that I. like to do and I think about those. things. I don't think about negative. stupid things with people that have. bitter angry minds that are. concentrating on other people's success. and trying to tear them down all the. time. Because they're trying to tear. them down all the time cuz they compare. themselves to them and they don't like. how they stack up. They don't like the. fact that that person's doing better. They don't like the fact that person's. more successful. So they try to take things either out of. context or they try to misrepresent who. that person is. They try to change.

public perception of that person to try. to drag that person down. And it's. transparent. The reason why it doesn't. work is cuz people inherently know what. you're trying to do. It might get people. to be like, "Ooh, there's beef. Ooh, there's beef." Those are simple-minded. people that you're always going to. attract. But you're not going to change. people's opinions of things. It's it's a. trick. It's a trap that you're playing. on yourself. It's a waste of your precious resources. You only have so much time in the day. My time I spend on things that I think.

are interesting or beneficial or things. that excite my curiosity. And I think. that is the way I like to live my life. Now, if you like to live your life. constantly engaged in beefs and being. filled with anxiety and stress and you. want to do that, okay. But those are. bitter [ __ ] people. I don't want to. be a bitter person. >> life, could you have been a therapist? Well, I majored in psychology. for the brief amount of time that I was. in college. That was what I was. interested in. But it was I was doing. that because I was fighting at the time. and I was trying to figure out how to.

manage my mind. So I was trying to. figure out the inner workings of the. human psyche. >> Do you think I know this is I'm not Do. you think. your success. made you a a more calm person to not. give a [ __ ] Well, it certainly helps, right? You don't have to give a [ __ ] if. you have enough money that you could. just like disappear off into the sunset. and never have to worry about money. Cuz a lot of people are always worried. about money and so you're always. constantly in a state of anxiety trying. to get more.

That helps. It but it's also it's. there's other things in life. I. concentrate on my loved ones. I. concentrate on my friends. I concentrate. on things I enjoy doing, on fun. This. This life is short, man. You and I are. 58 years old. We're more than halfway. dead. Why would you spend time concentrating. on people you don't like? Like, there's. one thing if someone's wronging you. It's one thing if you find out you have. a business partner who's been stealing. money. Or, you have someone who's lying. about you. >> Dane Cook.

No, I'm just saying. No, I know he His. own brother stole from him. I know Dane. is like this. YEAH, THE [ __ ]. YEAH, it's very. very interesting. And I'm at a place. right now. I was um. I was with Jon Hamm, right? San Francisco. And I had just did a show. with Dave. And it was interesting he. said something to me. He's in the back. and he's with his wife and we kicking. it. And he used to come out to summer. camp and everything, hang out with us. I don't even say we like super friends, but we have mutual respect for each. other. And it was interesting cuz we in. the green room. And this is after I had just slayed this.

audience or whatever, right? And And I'm. feeling good. And he said Donnell, he. said, "What is it that you really want. to do?". He said, "What is it that you want?". I said, "What kind of question?" He. said, "No, I mean what is it you want? Is it TV? Is it TV show? Is it movies?" I was. like, "John, I'm doing exactly what I want to. do. For me to be able to wake up, not have. to work for anybody, call my own shots, make a fair wage, take care of my families, enjoy my. friends and everything, and it's me.

connecting with a God-given talent. Anything else is a bonus. I don't look. at it like I need the private jet and. everything. Certain things you like, you. know, that would be nice. But, I just. look at what this life has given me, and. I'm appreciative of that. I know so many. people that of my class, whatever, that. aren't doing nearly as well as I am. Or, even the ones that are, that don't mean. that they're happy. You know You know. saying? So, when he asked me that. question, I didn't think any bad of it. I was like this, I don't get.

caught up on looking at somebody they. got this, they got that. I like this, am. I happy? Am I comfortable? Do I get to. do what I want? So, whether I tell. people all this all the time, whether I. get another film opportunity, whether I. get another TV show or whatever or any. of that, I'm living. what some people's dreams are. Yes. >> And it's not my dream, it's my reality. Yes. And I also had to. realize this is so easy for us to do. You can be so connected with somebody. and even with um my situation with my.

connection with Dave and everything, I'm. a huge fan of Dave. He's given me great. opportunities and everything, but at. some point in my life I had to say, you. can't be caught up in somebody else's. dream so much that you forget your. realities. And my real my reality is whether I'm. alongside of him or what I'm doing, I. got to continue to be Donnell Rawlings. I got to continue to support my family. I got to continue to thing do things. that I do. And it's so easy. You it's so. easy for me to get caught up. I'm like, I'm rolling with Dave. We on a jet. We.

doing this type of [ __ ] But then I'll. lose focus on who I am. And I realize. for me and my career continues to go. when I know how to make that separation. I do have Yeah, but the thing is even. when you're caught up with Dave, you. still love him and you don't hate him at. all. You're not you're not jealous of. him. You might get caught up in the wave. because you're hanging out with one of. the greatest comics that's ever lived, but it doesn't mean that it's a. negative. And you know another thing, let me add to that. And I'm not blowing my own horn or. whatever. Like you said one of the. greatest comedians ever lived, right? If.

a person had a conversation with Dave. Chappelle, people can say whatever. I'm. worried about people think. If you ask. Dave. who is in his top five comedians, my name's going to come up. So, as much. as people they always talk about they. always try to pin me like blah blah this. and everything. I respect the fact that. I he respects me, I respect him. When we. work together, we push each other. We. make each other Whatever people want to. say, we make each other better. And what. other people understand is that like.

he's like truly my friend. You know what I mean? It's not like I. just work on the show, he's my friend. And even when I Some of my fondest. memories, especially when I come here, is when we was doing those [ __ ]. shows. >> Yeah. >> When we was doing [ __ ] nobody was doing. When we were doing those lockdown shows, that was fun. Yo, it was so. >> times. It was It was It's all It was. already We already have a community. We. all have mutual respect for each other. But the thing that made that so special. was it nobody doing this [ __ ] Right.

That's what made it. And it really One thing about the. pandemic, it made you appreciate life. a lot more than before the pandemic. >> Yeah, made you appreciate freedom. Freedom. Ability to do shows. Yeah. Remember we did those shows outside and. everybody was wearing a mask? It was so. stupid. >> But we It did But we And they all got. tested, too. We got They was I I was I. had so much fun doing the pandemic, I. was almost embarrassed to show the. pictures I wanted to show, like faceless. [ __ ].

>> [laughter]. >> Yo, No mask. We would take a pictures. and people was like this, "Look at him. HE COULD KILL MY GRANDMOTHER." I'M LIKE, "All right, first of all, you did it, Dave did it." I was like, People was. like this, "Oh, it must be nice to have. rich friends to have testing machines.". I was like, "You're absolutely right.". It is. It's beautiful. It is the most amazing [ __ ] ever. They. should have raped my nose for two. summers in a row. When When we were. doing the shows in the in the cornfields. and [ __ ] But this what people don't. understand, he took. the opportunity That Village of Yellow.

Springs, he made it as safe as it could. be. Like any place we would go, hotel. staff, everybody had an opportunity to. get Everybody had an opportunity to get. tested. And I remember, this was very. interesting, when the bubble we did one This was Bob. Saget, RIP. We were doing these shows and I think. that at before Bob passed away when he. came out to Yellow Springs was hanging. out with Dave and us and everything, it. gave him some incentive to want to go. back on the road to do He was just got.

really excited about doing it again. We. we we did like 55 shows. The summer was. over. The run was clear. We had no. positives or anything. Dave extended the. show. another week and that week was when the. bubble popped, right? And now. everybody's like freaking out. Like, "Oh. my god." These same women that was. people's coming out there when they was. getting flown out in. jets, they weren't getting traffic, but. Dave created this environment. He wanted. his friends around. They was we was.

going to restaurants. We would have the. whole spot. We was just doing all this. stuff. Nobody was thinking about the. possible consequences of that. And I. remember this one girl was like, "Oh my. god, I don't even know why I'm here.". Then I looked at Dave. I was like, "Yo, man. Damn, we almost made it, man, through." He was like, "Donnell, it's going to be okay." He. said, "You got to realize this is the. reason why we test.". When we first got our first positive, had we not been testing, it could have. been crazy. And we got our first. positive because dudes went to do. somebody else's podcast and they didn't.

test. Remember that? >> remember that. That was the day I. remember that [laughter] because. I remember that scene. It was so funny. Yeah, that was here. Yeah. >> And um it was like I something was. different because we had one positive. and the you remember backstage used to. be packed out, right? It started Yeah. >> getting lower and lower, right? Yeah. It. was basically like me, Cypher Sounds, somebody else was in the green room, right? And then Big Jay came. That's one. of my friends, good friends. Big Jay. came back and he had this look on his. face like it's over, right? And he came.

in there and I looked I said, "Boss man got it." He's like, "Yep.". Right? And another thing Dave could have. did This is why I respect his character. He could have been at that time he He. have just been in a mask, went on stage, went back out. He canceled the show, but. the funniest [ __ ] is the whole at Stubbs. room is sold out, right? And then Cena. comes back, and Cena was like, "Um. I need you to go out there and tell. people that the show is canceled, right?" I said, "You don't need me to do. that [ __ ] [ __ ] Cuz the minute I It's.

one thing if I go out there, people. going to be like, 'Show's starting.'. Right? And as a comedian, I'm not going. to not tell jokes. And then I'm like, "Oh, yeah, Dave not going to show up.". But that was. The crazy thing about that everybody at. the Line Hotel, they was making jokes. Yo, they call it Corona uh COVID row. Cuz we had like the whole flo- had the. whole flo- floor locked down, right? And everybody in our team got it. But it felt like a old school chicken. pox party. You know what I'm saying? It's like we got it. We got it. When I.

tell you, man, what we did like it. everything was like, "Okay, make sure. you have your vitamins." All that type. of [ __ ] But the beauty of it was. we was like, you know, people was. testing out like 8 or 9 days, right? So, we thought we was going to leave. After. a while, we was like I was like, "Wait a. minute. The next room is going to be in. 10 days." And for some reason, everybody. went back to being negative. We closed. their more shows and we got the [ __ ] up. out of here. But it was a beautiful. time, man. It was a beautiful time. It. was a fun time. >> alive, yep. >> It was a fun time.

But it was crazy. And then we did that. What that [ __ ] joint we did uh. It was [clears throat] in Tacoma. Mhm. The Super Dome. That was wild. >> 27,000? >> Whatever it was, we broke the Tacoma. Dome record. I never been in [laughter]. a place where the laughter was so hard. it felt like helicopters was It was. crazy. >> It was crazy. It was crazy. This is what. I respect about what you guys did. You. got people saying they they doing arenas. and [ __ ] but normally But that was. pre-COVID, brother. It was pre-COVID?

>> Yeah, that was pre-COVID. That was. before everything popped off. I what I. will say about a real arena show, you. You. the arena show where a quarter of the. venue is being. used for stage and every right so it. ain't the true capacity. Right. But it. shows you [ __ ] was doing it was. it was in the round. Right. Well the. wildest thing was walking through the. crowd to get to the stage. You. you've experienced this [ __ ] of that. walk from from the UFC [ __ ] Man, I'm so.

grateful for your you guys friendship. and everything and for me it was so. special for me because. I didn't sell a ticket. Nobody else no. open so you and Dave sold those tickets. right? But the best feeling for me Joe. was when I go out and DJ Trauma be like. you seen him on HBO's The Wire. You seen. him on BMF whatever but simple line but. you fell in love with Ashley Chappelle. show and them people [ __ ] go crazy. I. don't give a [ __ ] if you ever been in a. fist fight in your life when you come. through them tunnels. you you doing this [ __ ] right here you.

feel like Tyson like just give me a robe. just give me [laughter] a towel. I'm. about to go beat these [ __ ] up. and every show we had there was no room. for being okay. You had to be on your. game every time. Yeah. It was good. times. It was a good time. Well that was. when all that COVID [ __ ] went down with. me when CNN turned my face green. That. was because of a Nashville show that we. were doing that we had to cancel. Yeah, I didn't know that. That's what that. was. Yeah, we were supposed to do a show. that weekend and I got COVID the.

previous week and I was doing an arena. with Tony in Florida and I got COVID in. Florida and then I made that video on. like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. It was like the third day after I got. COVID where I got over it and I was like. you know I feel fine but we have to. cancel the shows this weekend and that's. when all the [ __ ] went down cuz I took. Ivermectin. That was that was that was. those shows that we were doing. He has the answer everything. Yo, if he. don't have the answer at least he's. [ __ ] trying to find it. It's so. interesting. I whether or not I had the.

answer the crazy thing is I was better. I was already better. And they they they turned my face green. on CNN. Like we got to see how crazy the. media really is. Like they didn't want. to hear nothing but you have to take. this vaccine. >> And you have to do that. And if you. didn't take this vaccine, you're a part. of the problem. It's. the I just don't as as devastating as. that time was. I'm just how is it just like [ __ ]. [snorts].

over now? Is it herd immunity? How is it. just like it almost like immunity. It's. it's yeah, it's also, you know, everybody who got it got it. You got. immunity because of it and then. also whatever variants are still left, they're significantly diminished. That's. how viruses generally. >> strain now, right? >> Yes. Well, that's how viruses generally. go. They become more transmissible but. less potent over time. Yeah, and that's. what happened. >> I'm going to tell you there was a. [snorts] time though, man. I even said, man, maybe it was just something about.

how people got along with each other. I. was like we should do like once a year. just have a week of just lockdown. >> [laughter]. >> Yo, just so you can get it man I feel It. makes you appreciate freedom. That's for. sure. >> me appreciate nature, bro. I I bought a. [ __ ] house in Yellow Springs because. of I was like, you know what? Trees, woods. I don't know if the streets can handle. this but I became a bird watcher, bro. I watch bird I watch birds. You know what that does to my street.

credit? What? To know the difference between a. cardinal and a blue jay? Is that bad? It's not the most Listen. >> [laughter]. >> That's a blue jay call. I said I can't. be in the streets talking about. It was good [ __ ] If you can't. appreciate nature, that's whatever. That's a [ __ ] narrative. That's. ridiculous. Here's the thing. I didn't crash out today. Didn't crash.

out. I know people think I'm crash out king. It's not that. Sometimes it's that I. just need to talk. >> on this show today? Yeah. What did I? No. No, you did you definitely accused. Jamie wearing a leather jacket. >> Jamie did have a leather jacket. He had. a leather jacket on, man. And I think he. brushed his eyebrows, too. It was everything. I was like [laughter]. I'd never seen this sexy side of Jamie. He had like a British accent. >> [laughter]. >> He was like, "I think you want a book. here on the show." It's all good. I was. like, "Who is this?". >> eyebrows? I was like, [laughter] "Who.

the [ __ ] is this person, man?" It was. something different. We We definitely. went through something that most people. will never experience in their life. Nope. And and most previous generations. never experienced it. Having an a. nationwide worldwide pandemic that. everybody freaked out and we didn't. Not. only do we didn't freak out, we did. shows, we had a good time, we hung out. together. Those after parties when we go. to the line, you had a DJ, and we would. laugh and laugh. We would laugh till. 2:00 3:00 in the morning. I You know, I.

what girl I was so much fun. >> Girl I was dating at the time that she. couldn't believe that she was like, I'll. be like this, "So, what do you do?" I. was like, "Well, I was at the line. kicking it with Dave and Joe." What. y'all doing? Just talking and laughing. till 3:30 in the morning. They was like, "Get the [ __ ] out of here. YOU WAS. FUCKING." NO, NO, [laughter] I WASN'T. WE WAS JUST on some bro-hoe [ __ ] It was. just It was really fun. >> fun. And we we also realized how special. it was that we could do this while the. whole world was locked down.

>> Yep. I'm telling you I was embarrassed to. show pictures. My mother would call me, "You better be careful out there." I'm. like, "Man, I'm getting tested." We got. tested more than probably anybody in the. country. And that's the crazy. >> tested every day because I was doing. podcast through the whole thing. >> I did your show during that one time. >> Yeah. And then we didn't I sat down. before I got the results. The last time I was here and. >> [laughter]. >> you was like, "Did he get the test?" I'M. LIKE, I'M LIKE, "THIS POLICE DON'T COME IN. HERE LIKE, GET THIS [ __ ] OUT OF. HERE." WELL, we definitely had a couple. people that tested positive. We had to.

get them out. And I tested positive. once. But the thing about it, to make it. all taking those precautions, you could. isolate it. You knew where it came and. you shut it down. That's one thing. If. you're not doing that, it's all over the. place. Just think about it. If if. Imagine if Jamie would have got COVID, then we would have never seen his sexy. side now. Jamie got COVID? He got COVID. before anybody. He got COVID really. early on when there was no vaccine, no. treatment, no nothing. He had to take a. whole week off. Um [clears throat]. maybe that's why he has the attitude.

that he has. >> [laughter]. >> Yo, y'all getting all this sexy. >> did the Kanye podcast. You You had COVID. that week, right? Yeah. Yeah, he missed. the Kanye podcast. Yeah, but I'm sorry, Jamie, if you. thought I said anything that was kind of. disrespectful to your character or who. you are. >> totally false. No, it wasn't. I'm. telling you. >> [laughter]. >> That [ __ ] ponytail, I don't know what. the [ __ ] he did about it at that time. >> Seagal ponytail. Slicked back. >> And not only that, but he put his hair. back like this. Mhm. Almost like the like a Diddy party.

That's how he started Diddy parties. Oiled up. Yeah, or I don't want to say. that cuz I was Never mind. >> [laughter]. >> I never went to a Diddy party. I have a. photo, but I never went to a Diddy. party. >> [groaning]. >> Yeah, it's like I think people are going. to be wiser if something like that. happens again. I don't know. Could it. ever happen again? I don't. >> Yeah, 100%. Yeah, 100%. There's a lot of. people that think they engineered that. whole thing. They wanted it to happen. Cuz it's the largest transfer of upward. transfer of wealth in human history. So many companies went down. Look at.

Look what it did. Big businesses got. made more money. Look what it did to. Zoom. Yep, Zoom took off. >> Zoom cuz um I was I I had a show in. Naples, whatever. I met this doctor that. he wanted me to be on his podcast. And I. was like, "How are we going to do it?". He said, "We can do it by Zoom." This is. when it was only like for like business. people. It was really like the nerdy. thing. Yeah, that's what it used to be. Yeah. It used to be but the pandemic it. blew it up. It was like now Zoom is like. that's the best way. You don't want to. talk to somebody on the phone they call.

you. Oh, I'm on a Zoom right now. It is. so like in everybody's household and. that [ __ ] blew up. So many businesses. did the same thing. >> Is anybody using that anymore? Zoom? Yeah. They use it for an excuse not to. talk to somebody. Yeah. >> do they do Zoom podcasts anymore? Do. people do Zoom podcasts? I never hear. that term. It used to be things like oh, we're going to do it on Zoom. I don't. hear that anymore. >> other platforms exist now. I don't even. think people discuss it but like Yeah, they had one one was like Clubhouse. whatever all of these things. >> Oh, yeah, Clubhouse. Clubhouse was. popping. Clubhouse is a big one. That.

was a big one where people were. essentially doing podcasts. Like anybody. could just like chime in and talk [ __ ]. >> getting like a million followers in. three days and [ __ ] like yeah. >> Oh, yeah, there was a lot of that and a. lot of people thought that that was. going to keep going. Like Clubhouse is. going to be the new thing. I'm like it's. it's just bad podcasting. And it's and. it's what there was only up so many. things. That that um. that battle that the Versus battles that. they do now and when they have like it's. mostly it's been hip-hop and R&B. I. think it was who was it um. It was uh. um damn Swiss Beatz and Timbaland I.

think. They started this thing during. the pandemic. It was Versus, right? Where you have a artist versus another. artist in like a competitive type of. situation. They didn't win anything but. it was just entertaining for everybody. And that went from like it was so low. level like people was in front of their. computers it was freezing up and. everything but it was what everybody was. doing. Now that's like one of the. biggest things now. They did one. at Madison Square Gardens like it's a. big thing now when you want to it's just. like a competition like you got I think.

that they had Cash Money and No Limit. Records but it's very I don't see no. white Versus but it's a popular thing. and this started because of the the. pandemic. >> Well, so many businesses started during. the pandemic cuz a lot of people got. laid off, so they started their own. business. A lot of online businesses. started. A lot of people quit their jobs. cuz they realized, "Look, they could. just take this [ __ ] away from me at any. minute. Why am I doing something that I. hate when I thought there was security. in it? There's no security in it. I'm. going to start my own business." Also, even like you would you are an example. of um. um. of what happens when you finally realize.

that um you don't need Hollywood the way. it used to be. No. Well, we figured that. out a long time ago. We figured that out. when the podcast started kicking off in. like the early 2010s. I realized that. I was like, "This is I. don't need TV shows anymore." We figured. that out in like 2013, 2014. >> And Hollywood is not like. it used to be. I'm I'm very old school. guy, but I remember when when I first.

started, you couldn't make it in this. business. You had to be in New York or. LA. Yep. There was no producers going to. They wasn't going to Toledo, Ohio. There. was no way. This was big business. >> no comedy communities outside of New. York and LA. No, not at all. Not a real. community. There might have been like a. good club that had some like Denver. always had like good opening acts, good. good good community. >> Works [clears throat] was responsible. for that. >> it wasn't like a real hub like Austin is. now. And that wouldn't have happened if.

it hadn't been for the pandemic. People. wouldn't have moved. >> They wouldn't have moved. No. And you. brought a whole community here. As much. as this place has always been for music. or whatever, but I mean there's no way. anybody can not agree with like what you. did and what you made it appealing to a. lot of people is that you could go. somewhere else, get a better quality of. life. Yeah. And everything like. >> Lower cost of living, better quality of. life, no traffic, nicer people, and no. Hollywood [ __ ] The problem with the. LA is always going to be poisoned by the.

the idea of going there to become. famous. Right. That whole idea was it. was permeated in the culture of LA and. that fame was like the number one. commodity. But back then it was that was. the case when the producers. >> But. go ahead. I'm sorry. >> But the problem is that's bad for art. It's bad for your ability to produce. [ __ ] You mean you got great comics that. came out of LA, but that was in spite of. what LA had to offer. Right. It wasn't. because of. Whereas Austin, like the.

main reason people come here, first of. all Kill Tony. Because like you said. Kill Tony is one of the rare places. where you can be a comic that's been. doing comedy 3 4 years, I mean even just. starting out but you got some talent, you can have a [ __ ] career. Yeah. Like a real career and it'll launch. Like look, you got Kam Patterson who's. on SNL right now. You got all these. people like William Montgomery, David. Lucas, they're they're killing it on the. road, selling out everywhere they go. Ari Shaffir, Matt Edgar, these guys I.

mean they have a real career now because. of Tony. >> thing that they don't understand is like. this is what I say and I I use use you. as an example. Whenever you hear about somebody saying. that they want to do a podcast, the. first thing they certain names like I. want to be Joe Rogan. And I said this. before, nobody wanted to be Joe Rogan. [ __ ] 25 years ago. They didn't want. to put the work in. They want to see the. accolades, the fortune you've built. They see that part but nobody sees the. hard work. Even with Kill Tony, the the. fact that during the pandemic when he.

could have let the whole platform just. fall apart like we don't know when we're. going to do it, he dug deeper and. figured out a way I'm going to continue. to do it. Nobody they nobody ever. respects. the journey. Right. And if you think. about it Joe and I'm you're probably the. same way, most successful people and I. know some very very wealthy people, right? And when they talk about their. career whatever, they hardly ever talk. about the yacht. They have ever talk about the the. [ __ ] mansion they got in Paris. You.

know they talk about it was just me and. my wife and we drove a Toyota. You know, a Toyota Corolla and we was like we was. down to our last 10 bucks and she did. this that's the most interesting part of. the story for most successful people and. people don't understand that. >> Right, they only think about where you. got to and I want to get to there too. I. want to. >> everything. I hear people right now, I. want to be like stand up. I'm like All. right, well No, when I was doing HBO's. The Wire, right? This guy I knew, I grew. up with he was like he This [ __ ].

said, "Yo D. what's the number to The Wire? I want to. call them. I want to be on The Wire.". Like there's a wire. Hey, is this David. Simon? Yeah. I could be Omar. They don't I was like. and guess what? If I knew the number to. The Wire. I wouldn't give it to you. I'm not. giving it to you. I'm not giving it to. you. I want you to get that busy signal. That's what it Nobody ever wants to. respect the grind and they all everybody. wants to rewards of the grind. What's.

not everybody. It's just people that are. they're missing it. They're not getting. what it's all about. What's what it's. all like Kill Tony's a great example of. that. I was there in the early days of. Kill Tony when when Tony started out in. 2013. There was no one in the crowd. There was no one there. It was a small. show. You'd have a few comedians, you. know, I I was doing it back before I was. back at the Comedy Store where I was. still banned. So I was doing it from the. Ice House. Right. And he didn't do it. thinking it was going to be the number. one show in the world and he was going.

to be on Netflix and he did it because. it was fun to do and and he wanted to do. a great job and he wanted to make it. better every week and he kept doing it. and kept getting better at it. It's the. same thing with this podcast. This. podcast didn't make money for years. Didn't make any money for years. It cost. money. But the most successful people. are the ones like even with um when I. first started doing comedy, right? I. never You have some comedians that go. out there like I want to do comedy. I. want to get the money. I want to get [ __ ] off of it. Right? When I first started, I never The only.

thing I wanted to do, Joe, I wanted to. be good. I was like this, if I'm good, all those other things that are rewards. to that, they will happen, but I had to. be good first. And here's the thing that. I think, especially when you have these. like social media comedians or whatever, the thing that that that the interesting. thing about it, it's kind of hard to. tell somebody to work on their craft. when they're getting all the perks of. what the craft can present them at an. early early stage. It's hard to tell.

somebody that's only been doing it for 2. years that's making 50,000 or 100,000. dollars a month off of monetizing. something. They're like this, you need. to get better. Hello. The end result. >> they don't have to. Like, do whatever. the [ __ ] you want to do. If you just. want to do that, do that. And also, some. of them are going to figure it out. anyway. Some of them are going to figure. out, I'm I'm not getting better. I'll. get better. I'm going to work harder at. it. Right. There's going to be people that don't. figure things out, no matter what you do. in this life. There's going to be a. bunch of people that have a distorted. perception of what success is all about.

and what you really want. It's always going to be that. >> What do you What do you What is. This is an interesting question. What is your definition of success? Happiness. Happiness and doing something that you. enjoy doing. And something that's. challenging. >> So, what is your definition of. happiness? Friendship, love, doing something I enjoy doing, doing it. well, doing it better all the time, getting better at it. You know, I mean, you you're and struggle. You're always. going to have some kind of a struggle.

And that struggle, hopefully, is you. trying to be better at the thing that. you're doing. You? What gives you This. is an interesting question. What gives you the incentive. to always continue. to want to perform? What gives you. incentive to always want to do Joe Rogan. and friends when you could just sit back. and [ __ ] just do whatever. >> It's fun. It's first of all, the green. room on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at. the mothership is one of the funniest. times I've ever had in my [ __ ] life.

It's so fun. We have so much fun there. There's Ron White there and Shane Gillis. and Tony and. it's fun. It's I mean it's community. >> like you're trying to get me to change. my mind. >> our times. What you want to come on? The. show is on the way. >> to Tuesday. What are you doing tomorrow? Come on, Donnell. What do you got going on tomorrow night? Where are you headed back to Ohio? No, I'm going to LA. Do you have a show? I got a son. Okay. Well, that's different. That's. more important. >> But I can just give him some Roblox.

money. HE'LL BE ALL RIGHT. >> [laughter]. >> HE CAN BE ON WEDNESDAY. I'LL GIVE YOU. SOME ROBLOX MONEY. He'll be cool. Let me. tell you, I might cuz Cam, I need I wish. I would have even thought about it. before. But I might I might cuz I. haven't had that experience. Oh, come. down then, if you can. If your son's. cool with it, do it. If not, there's. always another time. >> probably look at another time. And this. is another thing about me being an older. dad. Like my son is really age he could. be my grandson. I don't have time to do all those. instill values and morals and [ __ ] I'm.

like, this will candy shut this. [ __ ] up. Yo, I'm like, yo, let's go to McDonald's. or whatever. But yeah, I'mma say I would. definitely consider that. Consider it. Yeah. But that's what I like. I mean, I'm just enjoying my life and I like to. do things that I find that are. interesting and challenging. And I like to have conversations with. interesting people. And I like the fact. that people enjoy it still. You know, when I first met you with. you know, and I already I already knew. that uh. you had the ultimate platform, right?

And I never this is me. And I don't know. if this is what happened, but I was like, I never want to be like, "Hey Joe Rogan, I'm down here wrong some. so and so." And the only respect I ever. wanted to get from my peers and people. that were doing it was like from the. stage. You know, I always like I was like, if. we ever make the connection, I wanted to be off of yo, this. [ __ ] is funny first, not just. like, "Hey, you know I rock with Dave. anything." I think that that was what. happened. I used to spend time in it and. I never never did even to this day I. don't, you know, I just look at it like.

the res- I just want people, you can. respect me as a man and respect my. character whatever, but at the end of. the day, what I love to do the most is. stand up. I want you to be like, "Yo, this [ __ ] puts the work in." And. then we can build everything off of. that. That's where the respect I want to. off off I want the respect from what I. put in the work I put in. And people can. acknowledge that, then that's what. builds my relationship with you. It's. built my relationships with all of these. all these guys, Bert, all of all of. these all of these people that I [ __ ]. with now. It ain't because other than.

anything other than like, "Yo, he's a. dope comic." And then you can find out. that I'm a good dude after that. >> Yeah, it's that and then after that it's. got to be like, "Are you cool?" Right. Is is he fun to hang out with? Right. Yeah. Barry Katz said that one time. He. said that in one of his podcast. It's. one of the things that separate like who. goes on the road or so-and-so is if. you're a good hang. Yeah, oh my god, that's everything. >> I don't know how many people quote Barry. Katz, but I want to share this story. You might be the only one. And you said.

probably the only one. Be- but I you said something earlier. about undeniable, right? I remember when. I first moved from DC and I moved to New. York. I was doing the Chitlin Circuit, the black circuit. I was popular in the. black community whatever. I was like, "I. don't think this is going to be enough.". I want to do the mainstream stuff. I. want to do these other things, right? And Barry Katz, um, Dave used to host. this comedy night at this place called. El Flamingos in in DC in in New York. And Barry Katz saw me there one day. He. was like, "I don't think I've ever seen.

a comedian that go in front of an. audience that would ready to rip. someone's head off and you could hear. silence." You know, that's the control I. had with the audience. So, we built sort. of a respect for each other and um I. remember one time I was at the Comedy. Cellar and he was there and I knew that. he was back then, whatever you want to. say about him, nobody had a roster. bigger than Barry Katz. Back then in like '97 whatever, he had. everybody. Uh. he at the list goes on and on. So and I.

and I knew he was a fan of mine and I. said, "Barry, man, I'm trying to work. these clubs, these mainstream clubs, but. I'm having a hard time uh. getting in past these clubs." I was. like, "Could you make a phone call or. whatever for me?" And he looked at me, he said, "Donnell." He said, "This is what you do." I'll probably do. the worst. Everybody does it better. better better Barry Katz. >> You cannot undo Barry like that. Yes, okay, I'll try it again. He was like. >> That's just what you do. No, and slow it. down. He said, "Donnell, just rip.".

Right? He said, >> Yeah, be undeniable. That's what he. said. He said, "Just be He said, "I'm. not talking I tell This is advice I give. people." They say, "Well, I need. so-and-so." I was like, "I'm not talking. about have one good set and you have. four bad sets. I'm talking about the. consistency where every time somebody. sees you go on that stage, you're. blowing the roof off.". And once you do that, you have that. managers are going to come to you. They're going to hear about it. That's. the one of the things a lot of people.

try to skip. They're like, "Oh, how was. your set?" It was okay, but I can't talk. to you unless you're just straight just. destroying [ __ ] everywhere. Then you got. other [ __ ] to work on. Yeah, but there's. also a lot of people that are very. delusional about how well they're doing. cuz they want so much. They want it all. to be about them. So they think they. should have already had this, they. should have already had that. Why don't. I have a sitcom? Why don't I have a. this? Why don't I have a that? And I. always said, "This is another thing.". Even with these lineups you do these. shows whatever, always say that you have time to have a.

defining moment. If you're in a room, right, and for for. reason the room is on fire. The club is. on fire. Everybody is ripping. You probably won't stand out as much as. that night when everybody was bombing. You seen rooms where Mhm. everybody come. back saying they say that crowd was. weird, but then you got one [ __ ]. back there like this, "I don't give a. [ __ ] what y'all doing." Right. I'm going. to. elevate this. Those are the times when. you got a [ __ ] stand up. Yeah, but we.

used to see that all the time at the. store. Like late night at the store in. particular. Where like, you know, cuz. the way the store works, the show starts. at 8:00 p.m. and it goes on till 2:00. a.m. And there's a lot of people that. get there at 8:00 a.m. 8:00 p.m. that. are like, you know, tourists that are in. town. And they sit there for the whole [ __ ]. show. They came to see the Comedy Store. So by the time. 12:30 rolls around, [ __ ] they've seen. everything. And so you get this the low. period. And then someone will go up and.

just tear that [ __ ] place apart with. like 50 people. When I used to I was. when I first started. that um. uh we used to have open mics, right? And. the open mic list would be like 25. people, right? And they they [ __ ] the. guy that was running it, they hated me. so much because I used to talk [ __ ] in. the audience and everything. And they. would keep bumping me down, right? And. my dumb ass never got mad, right? I was. like this, "Yeah, they want me to. headline, right?". 25 comedians.

I took that I was like yes. I didn't think about audience fatigue or. anything. Oh boy. >> I just was like yeah. And it would be. and but I'm telling you I think that was. one of the things that made me strong. because. >> 100%. I was like I'll I'll. [clears throat] I'm going to do what the. next person. There's one story and this is. one of if you ask. Dave Chappelle one of the dopest sets. he's ever seen. I just so happen to be a part of that. It was at the Hollywood Bowl years ago,

about 3 years ago, right? You know, just. Is that when he. >> got attacked? No, no, that wasn't that. It was like the year before. Okay. >> You know Jeff Ross Live Nation, right? >> Sure. So, we're doing um. >> Shout out to Jeff. >> Shout out to Jeff. Um we're doing uh a. show, you know, Hollywood Bowl is 18,000. people, right? So, show starts at 7:00, right? Jeff comes up to me. He was like, "Donny, I got some good news and bad. news." He said, "What?" He said, "We're. going to start on time. It's only but. 700 people out there, right? Now, you. imagine what 700 people look like. in front of a 18,000 place, right? He.

said there's only 700 people out there. He said, "Well, I can let you start now or we can wait. 10 minutes." I was like, "Jeff, it's not like 17,000 people going to. show up in 10 minutes.". I said, "Give me the mic now.". Big ass stage. I jump off the stage, right? Dave and all these people in the. green room. I jump off the stage. I go. into the audience. I'm literally going. to each person. >> [laughter]. >> in the theater. And I'll get you a. picture. You can ask this. I'm going to. each person. >> they wait for the people to show up and.

sit down? That's what I wanted to say, but they were just like, "The show has. to continue.". >> allow that. I never allow that. They've. tried to do that before with me and they. say we're going to have to pay more. money if the show goes over. I go, "Then. the show goes over and we pay more. money. Get the [ __ ] out of here." But. for for me, it was a moment because any. other comedian, not any other, most. people are like this, "Oh, it wasn't. nobody out there." So many excuses. I. jumped off stage. I was like, "No, I'm I. can't be up here looking like I'm about. to be auctioned off." I go in the. audience. I'm going to each joint,

right? And I'm [ __ ] killing. It's. [laughter] 700 people in front of a. 18,000. >> That's a great way to start a show. >> But listen, and I'm like this, and. here's the [ __ ] up thing about this. Nobody's going to know about it CUZ YOUR. [ __ ] PHONES ARE LOCKED UP, RIGHT? >> [laughter]. >> YO, IT WAS A MOMENT. Dave uh. Dave, everybody from the green room came. out, right? And Dave told me to this. day, he said, "If I was doing uh. a class on stand-up comedy," he said, "I. will use this as an example of like.

owning up to it." And it was so crazy, man. It was like. And. it was just. it was crazy. I remember another time. I was working with uh. I think I was working with you. It was me, you, and Dave. And I think it. was a time we was doing an outdoor. theater. And uh I was supposed to be a. break. It was supposed to be me. It was. supposed to be I think you, Tony, or. whatever something. Then it was a break. And then it was going to be me and Dave. But uh it was still daytime.

Right? Where was this? I can't remember. the place. It was still the Jeff he came. up to me. He was I was like, "I already. know I'm going to have to go on there.". And I literally had to perform until it. started getting dark. Oh, I remember. this show. >> saying to myself, I was like, "Ain't no. way." I was like this, "Ain't no way. they giving Rogan." And they weren't the. shitty ones. People just hadn't come. yet. >> Right. I was like, "I knew I was going. to even suggest." I was like, "Nah, we. had these two halves, right?" And it was.

And I That was another example of okay, you got to do what you got to do. And I. had to go up there. It wasn't the spot. that I expected or whatever. But I was. like this, you know, for the sake of the. show. And I'm always like, "What do we. need to do to support this?" And I had. to We had to bring it down. We had to. buy some more time. And then by the time. you got on stage. everybody was seated. >> It was dark. >> It was dark. >> That was San That was outside of San. Francisco. I can't remember exactly. where it was. I do remember I was there. >> That was California. That [ __ ] was fun. But I tell people all the time that I do. slight mental. I was like, "Man, there's.

certain times where you got to do what. the next person. is not going to do. You can't [ __ ]. about shit." And at the end of the day, you got to be a [ __ ] I know when I used. to do these shows with Dave, I used to. [ __ ] get the shittiest time like. whatever Oh, we're at 30% capacity. Then. I'm like, "Man, half of these. [ __ ] not even going to see me.". But I looked at it like this, "Well, the. people that's going to see me, they're. going to remember it, you know? And you. just got to keep on keep on going. That's a good attitude. Yep. Yeah, that's healthy. See,

I feel like this, very productive. This conversation's. going to bode well with my mental. health. Yeah, I think so, too. And I. think. >> Everything except the lies you told. about Jamie. >> [sighs and gasps]. >> You know what I'm going to do? I'm going. to start taking [ __ ] videos. I wish I. would have had it. >> Yeah, I wish you did, too. >> And the thing about it was. >> See, like, oh man, he didn't even have a. leather jacket on. >> And thing he wasn't even talking to me. He was talking to me like, what is it? No, I mean, it was That was it. I walked. up to you and you didn't even know who I. was at first.

>> [laughter]. >> Guess why? WHY DIDN'T I KNOW? I NEVER. KNOW THAT I KNEW I KNEW I WAS LIKE, WHO. IS THIS FAKE ASS Jamie ass [ __ ]. It's like it was almost like, remember. when. Family Matters, Urkel and then Stefan? It was two characters. They had the They. had the like the geeky Urkel and then. his alter ego, whatever. He was just. this cool ass. He was the same person, but he was cool. >> Whatever happened to that dude? Urkel. >> Urkel. Yeah. Oh, he's been around. What's that? Selling weed. Is he? >> He was. And his weed is really good.

>> a weed? Urkel purple. It's the It's the best. He got this. joint he wrote and it's like some type. of Italian noodle, the spiral noodle. He. used that as a filter. But also, I spent. a lot of time with him because he would. come out to the cornfields, whatever. So, I've been seeing him He's got a talk. show Didn't he get jacked? Isn't he like. Is that him? Blue light. Uh I don't. know. I heard Urkel got in great shape. Yeah, but [snorts] he's a good guy, man. But he's another one of those. celebrities that I know that wants to do. comedy, but don't have the heart to do.

it. Uh Always I was like, "What are you". He said, "No, no, no, don't do that.". But he's a he's a he's a great guy. It's. hard to start out already famous. That's. one of the things that I really. respected about Charlie. Charlie was. already famous when he was starting. >> know who started Charlie? Who? Me. Did. you? And this is how it happened. When. we were doing the Chappelle show, and. it's safe to say like nobody was really. making money. You know in the contract, when you in your contract, if your show. just blows up, you got to stick to. whatever you was getting for the. contract. So we weren't making a lot of. money doing the show. But I was like.

this, we're too popular right now. At. that time it was me and Charlie. We was. It was Dave, me and Charlie, like the. biggest names on the show. So this was. Mike Berkowitz, who's Dave who's head of. William Morris right now, right? He was. a young agent at the time, right? He was. coming up. And I was like I told Jason, my manager at the time, Jason Steinberg, I said, "Man, we got to do a tour or. something." I was like, "Yo, everybody's. talking about I'm rich, bitch." I was. like, "Let's do I'm rich, [ __ ] tour." Right? He was like, "It's a good idea.". I said, "Me and Charlie can do it." At.

the time, that was only a two-man show. Charlie didn't have no time or anything. And I was like, "You know what? I want. to do it." Because it was my idea. I. said, "I want to do me and Charlie." I. said, "We need another comedian." At the. time, Bill Burr was not making a lot of. money doing his stand-up. And I'm not. disrespecting, but everybody knew he was. going to blow. But that was early on in. the career. And all Bill had to do was. have a situation like he had in Philly. Everybody knew he was going to blow. Right. So I said, "Why don't we do a. tour, me, Charlie, and Bill Burr? That. [ __ ] would be hot." Charlie had never.

did stand-up. And I used to He used to. always crack jokes and [ __ ] I was like, "Yeah, you talk a lot of [ __ ] But once. that microphone, your ass You're a. bitch-ass motherfucker." So Charlie was. a guy like, "Don't threaten him with. anything, right?" So this is when they. had They had the Laugh Factory in New. York at Times Square, right? One of my. friends was doing a show there. I was. like, "Charlie, yo, if we're going to do. this tour, you got to at least have 10. minutes.". He could have At that time, Charlie was. so hot, people would have just yelled out, "Charlie Murphy!". For 5 minutes. He was the MC. We just.

needed his face to be there. And this was [clears throat]. It would be Charlie, Charlie, Bill Burr, and myself. And Charlie had no jokes, right? And. like you said, I was like, maybe I don't. know if you guys understand how it is to. be selling out as a open mic-er. Crazy. And he had to get his voice. And I know. and I was like, why did he never do. this? But I'm part of it was because he. probably never wanted to be compared to. his brother. Right. He never wanted to. be able to like, uh. that's his brother and he had his own.

style or whatever. So, we did this. [ __ ] tour for like like uh a year. And then I saw him start to grow. Sometimes he took some hits, but he. became. Charlie Murphy. He became like, I'm not my brother. I'm. a storyteller. He stuck to that [ __ ]. And the one of the things that I would. say that I really appreciate about what. uh the Chappelle Show gave to Charlie. Murphy, when Charlie Murphy passed away, Joe, nobody said Eddie Murphy's brother. died. Right. They said Charlie Murphy.

passed away. So, that show didn't do And. when I tell you one of the most stand-up. original guys. All of those stories. like, was it true? It was he told that. was just part of the story. Me, Dave, me, Charlie, and Bill built a. relationship. We did something that was. spectacular then. But, uh. Bill Burr used to [ __ ] with us. And I'm. going to tell you the one things he. would do. We would be on the road and we. all we used to do was argue and fight.

and just [ __ ] with each other all the. time. And Bill Burr, he did some [ __ ]. I don't want to call this racist or. whatever. But, whatever. >> [laughter]. >> it it was very Bostonian, okay? I'll say. But, what he did, I didn't. know 2 years later. Bill Burr would when we meet up, he. would buy a [ __ ] like 12-piece of. Popeyes chicken, right? And he knew me and Charlie would devour. that chicken and we would be in a sleep. coma, right? The next 15 minutes. And it. was almost like he gave us sleeping. pills and [ __ ] He would get his. chicken, we'd be knocked out, and then.

he'd just go and just laugh at us and. [ __ ] But, that time that was such a. great time because you saw people's. careers being born. Like Bill was. already on a trajectory to be great. You. know what I'm saying? But at that time, and this is when I say the stories that. you remember, I'm pretty sure Bill still. remembers like this was the first time. that he was making like regular good. money every weekend. You know how it is. for be a [ __ ]. headliner just doing $800.

a weekend. Or or they give you a deal. $2,000, and then you get a $500 bonus. when you sell or give away 300 tickets. >> And you're not working every weekend. >> And you're not working every weekend. And then you got club owners who like. your bonus is supposed to be a 300, and. they be like, "Ah, couldn't give you that bonus. You. was at 298." You know what I'm like? [ __ ] I could have bought that. [ __ ]. >> They lied to it. They lie about how many. tickets you sold. >> They lied to And then they wonder why. when guys become big and everything, they don't want to come back cuz I. remember that.

>> I remember that. There's a couple club. owners that they can go eat [ __ ] And I. tell people I tell When everybody talk. about this, I was like, "Yo, try this. Try doing a [ __ ] tour. for a year and a half, and every night. you had to come behind Bill Burr.". I had no days off. And I knew when I had a day off it. wasn't I wasn't hitting on all cylinders. cuz that's when they had used to have. comment cards, right? >> [laughter]. >> The comment cards like, "I DON'T KNOW. WHY THE THE WHITE BOY DIDN'T GO LAST.

NIGHT.". BUT THAT ALWAYS THAT JUST just that's. that always kept me in shape. You know. what I'm saying? It's like this, you. don't got no time to play around cuz. Bill and Bill cuz Bill was one of those. comics. Bill was like Bill would come Bill did. the mainstream [ __ ] and he was one of. the only white dudes who would do the. [ __ ] most grimiest spots ever. And. I'm pretty sure he's always going to be. a great comic, but I think that that. helped build his character. Like I think. that was probably what made him be in a.

position where he go to Philly like yo, [ __ ] y'all. I just did Donnell's [ __ ]. Hood Club in Brooklyn. Right. If I can. handle that, I can handle that. >> Well, that rant in Philly was cuz he was. doing the Opie and Anthony tour. So, when Opie and Anthony, their crowd were. brutal. Yeah. Their crowds were [ __ ]. brutal. >> kill Tony's before kill Tony's was kill. >> Way worse. >> Yeah. Way worse. That they had sort of. fed into that crowd. They they fostered. that crowd. They called them the pests. But then even going back to what I was.

saying, in this career, sometimes you. have situations that have a defining. moment. And that was one of those. things. I'm pretty sure everybody would. have before Bill was throwing the towel. and he was like [ __ ] that. Yeah, well. well what happened was Dom Irrera went. on and you know, Dom Irrera is a legend. How's he doing, man? >> He's hurting. Yeah, he's got his he's. hurting. He's got whatever that. neurological condition is, it's not. good. I mean, I don't want to speak out. of turn about his. his health, but it's not good. Um, but.

Dom, they they booed Dom. They were just. rough. They wanted you to fail and Bill. went up and went [ __ ] you, you know, and. he just went into this crazy rant. >> else had a moment like that? Who? Bernie. Mac. Did he? Oh, on Def Jam. I'm not. afraid of you [ __ ] Yeah. >> how you know how that was you know how. that was born? Why? That first off, Martin Lawrence was the. host and that night everybody was taking. licks, right? And there was another it was a comic. from DC named Butch Burns, right? He was.

very popular in DC. Butch Burns went on. stage and bombed so bad. [ __ ]. throwing [ __ ] There was nothing that. Martin could do. You know how sometimes. you try and then you like just whoop, you're on your own, right? It's like. whoop-de-do, right? So, Butch Burns had bombed. The room is. going crazy. Martin could do anything. Next on deck was [ __ ] Bernie Mac. Bernie Mac saw Butch Burns on the way. out and he told him he was like, "Listen, man, hold your head up, man.". He said, "The sun might not shine on you.

today, but there's get you'll have. another opportunity to shine." And the. reason he didn't plan on I ain't scared. of you [ __ ]. And then. um, Bernie had a situation to go through. because Bernie was on Def Jam before. He. dressed in a suit and everything. He was. looking like a Chicago player, but he. didn't think that he connected with a. young audience like that. So, if you. even watch the way he was dressed from. the previous show to the next one. Yeah. The next one, he had more of a hip. outfit, had graffiti on the jeans. He. was. He was dressed up for that part of it.

No idea, I ain't scared of you. [ __ ] He did have the um, energy that he was going to do the. connection he was going to have with the. DJ, right? But what made it so explosive. is that he said, "Fuck y'all." Yeah. He. said he did his joke and didn't That's. why we hear like, "I ain't Why was he. saying I ain't scared of you. motherfuckers?" It was because of the. other [ __ ] He said, "I ain't scared of. you motherfuckers.". Kick it. Boom, boom, boom, but he said. what he say he did and it was such the. most simple stock jokes. But the rhythm.

>> So powerful. So powerful. >> The rhythm that he had and the fact that. you knew that something was special. would happen. That's why that [ __ ]. audience. looked was so [ __ ] charged up because. he said, "Fuck y'all." I saw Bernie live. once at the Comedy Connection in Faneuil. Hall in Boston. I remember that club. He was on fire. He. was so powerful. >> time I saw him at uh, Comedy Connection in Greenbelt. I used. to do this club and it was a couple of. people that come through and I was like, "These [ __ ] on the next level.".

It was him and another person that was. like that was George Wallace. Oh, yeah. >> You know another person that was like. that? Rich Vos. Oh, yeah. >> Yo, George Wallace, first off, I do. George Wallace on the next level. I've. never seen anybody go to the comedy club. and the deal he had was 100% of the. door. Wow. >> Everything. You just get your drinks, your chicken wings, 100% door. They had. to give it to him. >> Wow. >> Um and and George Wallace, he was old. George Wallace has always been an older. dude, right? Somebody said, you know, his thing is your mama jokes, right?

Somebody had did a mama joke and. [ __ ] George Wallace ripped off. about 30 mama jokes. I felt so bad for. him. >> [laughter]. >> And then Rich Vos [ __ ] Rich Vos. [ __ ] me up because I never seen a. white comedian perform at this club. It. was a black club. Rich Vos came in. there. He had a ponytail similar to. Jamie's, right? He had jerry curls. No, Rich Vos had a ponytail. The same one. that Jamie was wearing when I right? The same It was Rich Vos's, right? And I saw Rich Vos go up there and.

destroy this crowd. I was like, this. white dude don't know what's going on. And he [ __ ]. killed that [ __ ] I. I had to You know, what we talk about. joke stealing, right? I've never I stole one joke. in my life and I apologize to Rich Vos. I was doing a show. and none of my jokes worked. I tried. Yo, I tried everything. I tried. everything and I said to myself, what. joke have you heard? I didn't mean to. steal, right? I borrowed it, okay? I.

said, what what joke you know that. [ __ ] would. kill this audience. And Rich Vos used to. have this joke. He said, you know what. they say? Once you go black, you never. go back. He said, yeah, cuz your father. won't let you back in the house, right? I stole that joke. I got him laughing. I. got him back on track. And then I had to. call Vos. I said, man, I'm so sorry, bro. >> [laughter]. >> I said, it's going to get back to you, but I stole the joke. He was like, no, no, no problem with it. >> Well, at least you admitted it.

>> Yeah, I did. All right. I think we we accomplished a. lot. This was therapy for me. I think. it's good for you. Stay out of the. comments. I'm going to stay out of the. comments. Remember that podcast we did. with Reza? >> [laughter]. >> NO, DON'T DO THAT. THEY STILL talk [ __ ]. to me. Yo, I grabbed you at the end of the. podcast and said, "That was great. Don't. read the comments.". >> Exactly. That was a long time ago. I've. been giving you that advice for a long. time. >> You did tell me don't But but but the. part of that story people don't know is. that I did my podcast early. I hadn't.

seen my son like 2 and 1/2 weeks. I was. on the road. And I I I came straight. there, straight to the podcast to do it, right? And then um. uh you I was like you was like, "Yo, you. want to hang out?" This what people. don't know. This is the side you don't. tell them. You invited me. You invited me. >> you. >> You did invite you. You said I thought. it'd be fun. You said the RZA's going to. come, right? >> Well, we were having a good time. We did. a podcast together. We were hanging out. and I said, "Are you going anywhere? You. want to I'm doing a podcast with RZA. next. You want to hop on?" I thought it.

would be fun. I thought it would be fun, but. >> It was fun. I would like to tell my side. of the story. We already did. We've. talked this We've done this many times. Okay, this is. >> every other podcast we do, you tell your. side of the story. >> I'm never going to say this again, Joe. I was going to leave and I was like I. was like, "Man, [ __ ] Wu-Tang, man. I'm. going to see my son.". Right? And I'm leaving out and as soon. as I get ready to get in my car. uh the RZA comes out and this. [ __ ] said, "What's up, Ashy. Larry?" And I said, "Fuck my son. I'm.

[ __ ] with the Wu-Tang, right?". And I didn't But it was a good time. It. was fun. But did What people don't. understand is. before we did that RZA said, "Yo, yo, bong bong bong. I got this idea, right?". I said, "What?" He said, "I'm going to. do these jokes. They're going to be He. was trying to pitch. >> jokes like he was going to joke and I. was like, "Please don't do that." Right? I was like, "Please don't do that." And. we sat down and of course it went I had. a good time. But people are like, "Just. You just ruined it. You ruined it for. the RZA. You just ruined it." But shout. out to the RZA.

>> fun. It was a good time. >> fun. >> And thanks for whenever I call you, let. me uh. um. can't even tell people anything other. than yes, I'm on tour. Go to. donnellrawlings.com get tour dates. All. right. >> And here's my here's my [ __ ]. A joke could be too soon, but it never. could be too soon for a funny. observation. And that's what you're. going to get when you come to my show. All right. Thank you, sir. Appreciate. you, brother. >> I'm taking this gun with me. Jamie, stay. sexy, son. Stay sexy. Bye, everybody. >> [music].

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