Joe Rogan Experience #2453 - Evan Hafer

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Oh man. What's happening, [music] baby? >> Everything. Nothing all at the same. time. >> I was just explaining all the [ __ ]. that's on this desk. It's like everybody. likes to give me something that sits. here, which is kind of cool. Like uh Ed. Calderon gave me this. It's [snorts]. like a WD40 with a lighter attached to.

it. You can [ __ ] blast people. >> Is it like a self-defense? >> I don't. He's always got these things. like cartel things. >> That looks like the cartel 3D printed. Yeah. >> Yeah, I think it is. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's cool. >> Yeah. I mean, it's a little portable. flamethrower. >> Holy [ __ ] I love. >> from two common items. And then um I. [clears throat] think it was Luke. Caverns gave me this. Is that who gave. me this? the the Mechac. >> It's from the Mech. >> Oh, is that what it is?

>> Yeah. And then, of course, my man John. Reeves has always giving me these. mammoth things. I got mammoth. Oh, this. is actually from Colossal, but he gave. me a a 1911 handle. >> That's legit. >> Yeah. >> Even though, do you have any 1911s? >> No. >> Yeah, >> I got 2011s. >> Yeah, of course. It's a It's a huge. upgrade. Yeah, but you know, I'm sure it'll. probably be able to fit. Like you could. bring it to a gunsmith. It could make it. fit. >> Yeah. Well, you know what you could do? You could have them make one for your. bow. So, you could put the the bone on.

each side of your bow. >> Oh, I have that. You have it? >> Yeah. From uh Rattler Grips. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> This is another piece. >> Shout out to Handsome Rob the Rattler. Grip Grips. He always hooks me up. Gives. me those uh keep hammering ones. >> Yeah, those are cool. >> Yeah. It feels better, too. Feels better. in the hand. It's interesting like Hoy. doesn't have a whole lot of option. Like. Ultra View doesn't make their their. handles for Hoy, but they make them for. uh Matthews cuz he he shoots Matthews. >> But it's a nice handle upgrade. It. really does like the way it sits in your.

hand. It really does feel like a little. better. >> Are you still Are you still putting them. on your your Hoy for everyone? The ratt. >> Yeah. Yeah. He just sent me some new. ones. >> It feels better. And the bone there's. something about the bone. It's more. tactile in your hand than the plastic. >> Well, I've been wrapping mine with that. camouflage athletic tape. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. >> BMAR sells stuff like that. He sells. specific bow grip, right? >> It's got a little bit of tackiness to. it. But some people think you shouldn't. have that. They think your hand should.

be so relaxed that it should be able to. slip around your hand. So, there's like. no torque whatsoever in your front hand. >> I don't like that. I like to feel I like. to feel the the uh dexterity of it, right? I like to have a little bit of. >> relief in the hand in the context of I. got to have some grippyiness to it. Just. like a. >> baseball bat or any of the things any. even all of the like Glocks and 2011s. >> I'll still do an upgrade on the. stippling and create a little bit more. but. >> I've also got giant hands for a.

>> a well I shouldn't be I shouldn't say. I'm small like I am two inches taller. than the average Asian woman. So. [laughter] I I don't like to brag about. it. I don't want to come out with that. right away. It just might seem a little. bit egotistical. >> Yeah. But if you um if you do anything, I think it's just like whether it's with. archery, with anything with shooting, it's you just it just has to register. with you. It's not it's not going to be. the same with everybody. >> You I know dudes who just can't get used. to finger triggers and other some dudes.

just love finger triggers and some guys. just have to shoot a hinge and some guys. just can't do it. >> I I shoot them all, man. >> Yeah. Like I just have so I got that. that dump bag now that I'll basically. I'll wear on the side and then I'll do. the the hinge roulette. So I just like. reach in and then I got to shoot a hinge. or I got to shoot this and the only way. that's that you don't. >> or the the mixup part. You've got to. shoot the wrist wrap, right? You have to. put that on. So you can't just do.

shooter roulette with all of that. >> But that's the the wrist straps a little. bit more involved. But I love having. I've been using the wise guy. I've been. ever since our last hunt, I've been only. using the wise guy. >> and I'm used to it now. It took it took. a while. I was like hammering the. trigger for a little bit. Like after the. thing is it's like with archery once. your form breaks down and then you try. to compensate cuz you're tired. Like I. think I should just limit myself to one. hour and after one hour just stop.

>> So is that what you're doing every day. is basically an hour? >> Yeah. >> A little bit more, a little little. >> Yeah. But it's when it's more it's when. things go sideways. Like I'll give. myself like a few minutes break to let. my arm relax and then I just I'm just. it's too much compensating because my. arm's tired and not enough. Especially. because the bow's 84. Now I got the new. one that's 90 lbs. >> Is that what you're shooting every day? >> Yeah. >> You're shooting 90 lb every 84 every. day. >> Yeah. I haven't I haven't set up the 90.

yet. It's still got archery country. >> And then do you are you going out to 100. plus every day too or you stick 85? 85. is my standard in my backyard. As long. as there's no no one wandering around. >> when people are wandering [laughter]. around, I tend to I got, you know, like. this landscapers. I I don't do the long. bomb. >> I I've got my uh my wife is re redoing. this uh little garden house in the back. so she won't let me shoot at it anymore. because she's afraid I'm going to put an. arrow through her little hut that she's.

making. She's she's actually doing all. the work, too. She's got like a tool. belt on and she's out there hammering. away. and everything. She's doing all the. work. >> Wow. >> So, she's like, "You can no longer use. this as your back stop." Cuz it was just. a pile of [ __ ] that I could basically. shoot arrows. >> Oh, that's a bad trade. >> That's a super bad trade. >> Yeah. I I need a back stop. You got to. [ __ ] off. Like, we were talking about. like musthaves for backyards. Like, I. got to I'm I'm not living in a house. where I can't shoot at least 50 yards. >> No. >> I go out in the backyard. I get my. rangefinder. I bring a rangefinder when.

I look at houses. No [ __ ]. >> Are you serious? >> 100%. [laughter] I've been doing it for. the last like six, seven years. Before I. bought this house in Well, the b when I. bought the house in Austin, it was a big. yard. I'm like, we're good. I just had. to find a spot. I was like, this is at. least 100 yards from here to here. >> Have you ever Have you ever punched. punched the trigger and put one out in. the the river? I I guess you shouldn't. tell me. [laughter]. >> No, I never shoot towards the river. because kayakers, you never know when. some cuz like the kayakers, they like to. go like real close to the shore.

>> and it's like if you hear ah Yeah, dude. [laughter]. [ __ ] That would suck. Oh my god. I'd be. in such deep [ __ ]. >> I would never do it. I I wouldn't such. >> Yeah. >> deep [ __ ]. >> Deepest of deep [ __ ] An [ __ ] like me. who's always promoting archery. I I. shoot a kayaker with a field tip right. through the [ __ ] forehead. [laughter]. >> You see some poor lady. >> like. a unicorn. >> running through running off the river.

>> Oh god. Oh my god. But I very rarely I. mean if I'm shooting broadheads I really. know where I'm going. I don't I don't. [ __ ] around. >> But with field tips I'll I'll launch. some bombs but it's never in an area. where there's anything behind me. >> No, >> I don't. It's just too risky. >> I had So I had an archery little archery. range in the back of my Salt Lake City. building. >> and every like and I used to let. everybody use it in the company and then. after you've worked for the company for. a while you'd get your choice. you get.

like a staccato or a rifle or a bow and. then we're doing we still do, right? We. still do a lot of veteran adaptive. athlete shoots and the tactical or. tactical games and the total archery. challenges. So I've given away 100 bows. probably the company. >> Do you let them brand and the whole. deal? >> No, no, no. We partner We partnered with. Hoy on the last batch and then we. partnered with PSC. We partnered with. kind of Oh, nice. >> anybody that wants to like. >> go in 50/50 on us, right? And um.

>> but then we'll make them black rifle. custom, right? So it's cool camouflage, a little branding on it. >> But here's the downside to that is when. you got a bunch of people shooting in. the back and I had a storage facility in. the back. There were always arrows in. the in this like storage. And so finally. my my uh our general counsel came to me. He's like, "No more. You got to stop. You can't shoot any more arrows." So, a. bandit for everybody except for me. [laughter] that me, Logan, you know,

Matt, basically the people that could. either absorb the legal fees or at least. like explain it away. >> Well, the thing about archery is it's. such a it's it's a skill that 100%. degrades. >> Yeah. >> Like, you have to stay on it and you. just can't trust that everyone's staying. on it. No, it's it's even hard for me if. I take three weeks off or. >> I was I was having that um a little bit. of tenonitis in my left elbow. So, I. took like a month off after running. season and like you put it back in your.

hand and it feels almost like a foreign. object. I know. >> it feels horrible. It's it's just gross. until you have. >> at least three or four days of shooting. consistently back into the groove. You. can't put the arrow where you want it. It's just three weeks off. >> And it feels to me like the more. consistent I am in offseason, like the. entire year, >> that's the those are the years that I. where I'm really shooting my best. You. can't just get back on the bow like a.

month before you have to go hunt. You. can't do it. >> I can't. I know guys that can. Guys that. I grew up with that have been shooting. since, you know, they were nine. That's. >> right. But they're really good shots. Imagine how good they would be if they. did it all the time. >> Like a guy like Cam, like he's not. taking any time off. Like he's shooting. every day. >> But that's part he he he takes pleasure. in the pain, too. He doesn't take time. off because he's [laughter] that would. be relaxing. >> Yeah, it'd be relaxing. Like imagine.

just just imagine that like Cam Haynes. on vacation. His feet up, you know, drinking on the beach. Is that even like. a No, >> that's not even a thing. >> I've gone on vacation with him. >> Have you really? >> Yeah. But when we went vacationing in. Lai where we could bow hunt. >> so we would bow hunt at least once a day. cuz Lai you know you've been you've been. it's cra it's one of the craziest places. on earth. Great. >> For people that don't know there's 3,000. people and 30,000 deer. >> Yeah. >> And they were given uh by uh King Kameha.

to King Kamehameha by the um whoever the. head dude was in India. He's like gave. him a gift of access to. >> Is that where they came from? Mhm. >> I didn't realize that that was the. actual timeline. I didn't realize that. >> Yeah. And they're everywhere. They tried. they tried to reintroduce them, tried to. introduce them to the big island. Like I. know Shane Dorian was all pumped about. it, but then they eradicated them. People killed them. They said they were. invasive. But. >> I think they need to be everywhere they. can be. >> They're delicious. >> They're the delicious. They're the most. delicious.

>> meat of the deer. >> Of course, next to elk. It's like it's. for me it's elk and then axes. But axes. are the most challenging to hunt. They're the fastest things I've ever. seen in my life. >> They move so fast it doesn't even make. sense. It's like, how are you doing. that? You could dodge an arrow from 30. yards away and the arrow's not even. close to them when it when it gets. there. >> I had a female bedded at 30 and she. jumped the string on her bed at 30. yards. That [snorts] that was my first. shot [laughter] and I realized, holy.

[ __ ]. >> Yeah, they're different, man. >> I've got to up my game. >> Well, it's like they evolved with. tigers. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, that's the thing. It's like you. got to be able to go. You want to. >> Can you imagine how tough you would be. if you [laughter]. involved with tigers? >> That would be sick. >> Well, that's the problem with America, period. It's like there's not enough. There's too many people running around. with zero physical challenges. And. they're so soft. Like there's a giant. percentage of our population that is so.

soft. And if like if there was like a if. the world went nuclear, we lost. everything and then it was like. hand-tohand battles, every country could. invade America if we ran out of bullets. Once we run out of bullets, every. country can [ __ ] us up. >> Yeah. Like you can walk around I think. Well, that's you know with with coffee, right? The best coffee shops are like. there's so much stuff on Instagram. It's. so funny cuz you walk into a coffee shop. and if you see the craziest looking.

freak, it's going to have the best. coffee. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. Let us think about baristas. >> They're so leftwing weirdo [ __ ] lip. rings. >> Oh yeah. How many nose rings do you. have? How like how many colors do you. have in your hair? And how many pronouns. do you have? Because that's like you're. going to make the greatest espresso I've. ever had. [laughter] And that's the. joke, right? Cuz I'll go cruise around. like in Austin for the last couple. weeks. >> Yeah. You see a dude who's jacked with a. hand tattoo, he's going to make you a. [ __ ] coffee. [laughter] It's like I.

can make you pour over. I mean, I can. just pour it over, you know, like what? >> He'll make you some cowboy coffee. He's. got a [ __ ] one of them tin pots that. you put on the fire. >> Take his sock off or something. [laughter] Like, I I'm good. I'm all. set, man. I'm all set. >> Yeah. What is it about baristas like how. did that become such a leftwing safe. place? >> Uh, you know, I don't know. I think it I. think the origin of it comes from San. Francisco, Seattle, right? all the uh.

we'll say the left wing, left coast, all. of the wokas. Yeah. Because that also. >> drove most of what I would say is the. third and fourth wave because there's. one, two, three, four basic waves in. coffee. The four third and fourth wave. are the most recent. Fourth wave would. be considered single origin, very. lightly roasted coffees. And you've been. to these coffee shops. You know what. they look like. Mhm. It takes you 15. minutes to go get a cup of coffee. They.

typically won't even talk to you. They. look down at the computer screen, but. it's going to be decent cop, right? So, if you go first wave, which is going to. be like folders, Maxwell House, that's. like been around for 100 years. That's a. commodity coffee. It's going to have. Robusta. It's going to be darker. roasted. That's going to be first wave. And then, uh, second wave would be. experiential. So it' be more like. Starbucks kind of second wave would be. experiential dark and then third wave. would be more artisan microlot single.

origin and then fourth wave is kind of a. mix of the the best in third wave that. really activates your senses in the. sense of like now they're doing. anorobics so they're using things from. like wine and beer and they're. developing all these different profiles. but that artisan craft the genesis in. like San Francisco and Seattle from. Third Wave. They took on identity polic. politics and then drove it through the.

trade. It's pretty impressive. It's so. It's so weird because if you go. anywhere, >> you can get amazing cups of coffee. You're just going to like wade through. the wokeism to go get it. >> Yeah. >> I can't go there. >> No. >> I was at a a Starbucks the other day and. two lesbians walked in. They saw me and. they left. >> What? [laughter]. That's how bad it They said, "We can't. we can't do this.". >> And they looked in in my face and they. said, "We can't do this." And they left. I was like, >> I'm a big fan. >> Yeah. >> Big fan of your work. [laughter]. >> Big fan of your work.

>> I had a cup of coffee from Starbucks, which I rarely go into, but I was with. my family. And it was so bad. A cup of. black coffee. It's all I drink. I don't. put anything in it. I was like, "This is. like not drinkable. It tastes like. shit." which is like everybody throws a. bunch of cream in there and a bunch of. sugar in there and you get your caffeine. and it tastes like what you like, >> but when if you just try to just drink. coffee at Starbucks, it is such a bad. product. And that's that doesn't have to. be like that.

>> Well, it's part of the problem is is. overroasted because they know it's going. to have cream and sugar in it. And. >> but why overroast it then? because you. can make a consistent profile and it's. just consistently very dark and. extremely acidic basically and that. becomes the consistency in the product. >> Do you think people have this thing in. their head that the darker the coffee is. the stronger it is? >> Yeah, of course that's one of the huge. misconceptions right. So like let's just.

bucket the misconceptions in here which. is you know coffee is not a bean it's a. fruit so it's a cherry and then you. roast the pit. So the second one would. probably be um the darker you roast. something the more caffeine it's going. to have which is absolutely not the. case. It's completely opposite because. you got two genetic strains. You've got. Robusta and Arabica. Robusta is smaller. bean. It's got more caffeine. It's also. more bitter. Arabica probably. constitutes probably 60 to 70% of the.

world's coffee but it's more flavor. It's got less uh caffeine and it's less. acidic in general. And then when you. overroast it, you can kind of combine. multiple lots, multiple variants of. Arabica. >> And then you can consistent, you can. make this consistent profile. >> So it consistently sucks. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But if you're going to. put cream and sugar in it, >> Yeah. Nobody cares because they're like, "I just need something that's going to.

serve as a caffeine. uh vehicle for my cream and sugar.". >> I know, but wouldn't that be okay if you. just had good coffee and did that and. didn't burn it? >> Well, I do. I I think that's where third. third wave and fourth wave, it's more. directly related to the quality of the. coffee. It's no cream, no sugar, and. it's more first and second wave. It's. cream and sugar cuz you're you're going. to have to cover up the inconsistencies. >> Well, some people just like it anyway.

because what they're getting is a treat. It's not they're not thinking of as like. I'm drinking coffee. Like they're. getting a treat, >> right? >> Like if you have order a Frappuccino, >> it's a milkshake. >> It's a milkshake. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There's tons of sugar, tons of. caffeine, too. You're like [screaming]. sitting in your cubicle. [laughter]. >> You got like 100 gram of sugar, 200. milligrams of caffeine. You're like. you're you're skyrocketing with just. energy until you crash and then you need. another one in the afternoon. >> Yeah. And then you're just doing that. all day and frying your central nervous. system and then when you get out of work.

you just die. You just go home and. >> go home and melt on the couch and watch. some sports, man. >> Yeah. Your insulin's all [ __ ] up. You're falling asleep. >> The coffee the coffee nerd conversations. just put half the [ __ ] audience to. sleep, too. >> I don't care. [laughter]. I don't care. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's so funny, man. I'll. start talking about it. I'm like, h I. should not cuz I was a comms guy. back in in my previous profession, my. previous life. And it's so funny because.

when you talk about communications and. just technology in general, and you. start analyzing like, you know, frequencies and and uh spectrum. analyzers or whatever, whatever you want. to talk about, people's eyes would just. glaze over in the team room. >> And I'd be like, "All right, well, you. guys want to go blow some [ __ ] up?" like. why don't we shift the topic because you. guys don't want to talk about this. I. know you don't want to hear about it. So. in cross training it's just. >> you try to keep people awake basically.

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important technical details that'll help. you do things that are exciting, you. know, it's it's the delayed. gratification, right? They're the same. type of people that don't like to do. cold plunges or don't like to do certain. things that like you're not going to. feel an immediate benefit. It's going to. suck while you're doing it, so you put. it off. Like you got to you've got to. have a mindset that there's some things. that suck that will make the things that. are exciting way better. >> Yeah. >> Like for comics, it's writing. Like. sitting down and writing, you know, I. always because a lot of comics don't. want to write. They just want to come.

out with ideas through the day and then. work them out on stage. I'm like that is. great. You can do that, but you should. also write because the ideas that come. to you while you're writing, they won't. come any other way. And those are like. little gifts from the universe. And you, the only way you get them is you got to. sit down with a [ __ ] pad of paper or. a computer in front of you and come up. with them. You got to sit down and start. working and let the mind just. >> just slowly but surely pop them out. >> How how often do you do that? >> At least four days a week. >> for an hour or two hours.

>> Yeah. Yeah. at least at least an hour. I. try to write a thousand words. So, it. might be an hour, it might be two hours, and then out of those thousand words, I. might get a paragraph. Like, there it. is. That's what I was looking for. You're basically looking for arrowheads. in a field. >> You know, you're picking up a giant. clump of dirt and you're shaking it out. and washing it over and ah, got one. >> So, do you try that out on anybody. before you actually No, you just like, okay, this is. >> I'm pretty sure I got something. When I. got something, I'm pretty sure I got it.

But I don't know what it's going to be. until the audience tells me. >> like. >> when you have your own club, so you can. just try helps. That helps [laughter] a. lot. >> You just like drive in. Matt's. Wednesday. Let me try. >> Even when I didn't, I would go to the. store. I would go to the like if I have. a bit and it's exciting. Like, oh, I. wrote something that's good. I would go. to the improv, then I would go to the. store and maybe I go to the ice house. I. bang out a few sets at least two in a. night some. You know, you could travel. around. Like LA was really good for. that. Austin's amazing for that. There's. seven clubs on my street now. >> What?

>> Oh, yeah. Between my street and the. neighboring streets. So, you got us and. then right down the street is the Sunset. Room, which uh Redban owns, and then. right up across from that, you got Creek. in the Cave, which is awesome. And then. you got the Vulcan, which is right down. the street. And there's a bunch of other. small rooms. There's the Black Rabbit. There's all these rooms that have comedy. at least three or four nights a week. >> So, if you're like a guy or a girl. coming up right now in Austin, you could. really work. You could work. And they're. all paying. So you're, you know, you're. collecting 50 bucks here. My club pays.

more. My club plays the most. But all. these different places, they pay, you. know, like actual money for you to do a. set. At the end of the night, you got a. few hundred bucks. >> You can get something to eat. Like. there's all these comics that don't have. to do the road now, right? >> So like they used to just have to do the. road to pay their rent and for food. You. don't have to do that anymore. You could. like stay in town and really build up. material and then go out on the road. >> Is is the material going to shift? I. know it's like regionally you've got to. have your I'm not saying like left or. right. I'm just saying does the material.

have to shift based on where you're at. So if you're in LA, >> is the crowd a little bit different? The. people are going to be more accepting, less accepting, expect something a. little bit different. >> Think of that. You can't. >> you just like here's the joke. Let me. run it. Well, the good thing is if. they're not accepting of an idea, maybe. you should reexamine that idea and maybe. figure out like why am I maybe I should. figure out a better way to make this. idea acceptable, >> you know? Because there's ideas where. I'll start it off and it just like this.

this ain't going anywhere. And then I'm. like, there's got to be an angle in. here. And then I'll find a whole another. angle. I'm like, haha, now I have it. And then I have to find an angle. Like. what if I was a woman and I was watching. this and I'm looking at this [ __ ]. meathead on stage and I'm like okay like. I got to figure out a way to get them to. understand that just cuz I look like. this doesn't mean I'm a bad guy. Like. like let me like [laughter] work this. into your head first and then explain it. from my perspective. >> It's funny cuz I look like this it.

doesn't mean I'm a bad guy. [laughter]. >> It's an automatic assumption. Yeah. You. know, I mean, it's an untold prejudice. that like men with muscles in particular. are [ __ ] right? >> Like instantly. >> Yeah. You're you've got a you've got a. very definitive look and then as soon as. you open your mouth, they're assuming. that you're going to be just the. >> Yeah. >> complete [ __ ]. >> right? A mean person, you know, covered. in tattoos. >> Cage fighting commentary. I I know that. you can craft a joke because you've been.

doing this for forever, but is there a. certain amount of pleasure that you get. now from bombing sometimes? >> Smoking [laughter] in. >> terrible. >> Really? >> I always say bombing on stage like. sucking a thousand dicks in front of. your mother. But the difference is like. there's probably a guy out there that. likes sucking a thousand dicks as far as. you made me do this, Mom. Come on, [laughter] mom. 99. There's a guy out there that would like. take some I mean there's people are into. [ __ ] porn and all kinds of nuts things.

You [laughter]. >> you're you're drawing the same parallel. to like bombing and people are just [ __ ]. porn. >> Yeah. Yeah. If you like bombing you. you're into people [ __ ] in your. mouth like. >> it's not fun. You don't want people to. have a bad time. They're there to have. fun. These people work. They're. [clears throat] working all day. They're. [ __ ] tired. You want them to have a. good ass time. And the only way for them. to have a good ass time is for you to do. your job, >> right? >> You know, but it's uh it has to. sometimes not work well. And there's.

like this moment when I'm about to do a. new bit. I'm like, "God, I don't even. want to do this. I don't know where this. goes." But I have to. You got to trot it. out there and and hope that you could. find an angle. >> So, you don't try those on on your uh. like with your wife or. >> she [laughter] the worst. She'd be the. worst. She tear you down. >> She would just stare at me like, "What? What is wrong with you? [laughter]. >> It's like she and I have a very good. balance cuz she's so different than me. She's so but has a lot of the same.

values as me, >> you know, like disciplined and she's. very smart and she's interested in. things, but she we're we're very. different. >> Well, it's so funny because my wife and. I will walk around, right? And I'm a. very amateur comedian to surround my. friends. I try to I try really hard, right? I'm not even close. I'm just. like, you know, I specialize in stupid. [ __ ] that I say. Basically, that's where. I'm going with this. [snorts]. >> And she when I get her to laugh, that's. like that means way more to me than than.

like But my friends, sure, I can make. them laugh. Like I can make my employees. laugh. I kind of pay them to, you know, [laughter] but. >> like when my wife laughs, that means. it's [ __ ] funny. Like it means it. means something, right? It's like it's. legit. She's like a oneperson crowd, right? So we were walking around. I was. talking about um have you seen that. Bertr Cryer Freebert? Have you seen his. new series? >> I've only seen trailers, but everybody. that saw it loves it. >> It's so it's it's really funny, man. Like, and so I I was like, "We should. watch this. You should check it out.". You should watch like 5 minutes. She's.

like, "This is such a dude show. [ __ ]. you. I'm never watching this.". [laughter]. But it's the same. It's like what I want. to watch and I think is funny. >> She's like, "Absolutely not." But then. she's wants to watch some like true. crime thing around it. You know, a dude. that killed his wife. And I'm like, >> they love. >> they love it. Why do they love that? >> It's so weird. >> It's like genetic that they love it cuz. my kids love those shows. >> They love serial killer expose shows and. all these true crimes.

>> And I don't like any of that. I was. talking to my daughter about it and she. said because girls don't do things like. this. So, we kind of want to see like. what's going on in a man's mind that. makes him it's a such a mystery. You. know what I'm saying? Like it's such a. mystery. Like most men can imagine a. scenario where there's a bunch of people. that did some horrible [ __ ] in a room. and you just go in there and [ __ ]. kill all of them. Most men, most men can.

say, "Oh, yeah, there's a place. There's. a place." Like, if someone did something. and I knew they did something and. they're in that room and they need to. go, they need to go. Most women can't. think like that. They don't they don't. think like that. It's not inside their. head. And then there's the darkness of. it. Like, these aren't men that are. doing something to someone who deserves. it. They're just doing it to vulnerable. people. They're just evil creatures who. just want to go out and hunt vulnerable. people. And I think women want to know. that there are men like that out there. that are so different than them so they.

can put it in their head like, "Okay, serial killers are real, right? >> Like these true crime shows have showed. me this and I want to know like what to. look for, >> right? >> That's what I think.". >> Whereas, have you ever spent a second of. your life in fear or fearing a serial. killer? >> Not really. [laughter]. >> No. No. >> It's not a realistic fear. But if I was. at a truck stop and there was some. [ __ ] shady dude that came into the. bathroom after me and he was like.

waiting outside and it didn't look like. you needed to use the bathroom, I'd be. 100% on guard. >> Like there's people that will just. randomly kill people just for a thrill. and get away with it. And I think. there's way more of them getting away. with it than they'd like us to know. Like here's a here's a good example. in Austin. What is the actual number of people who. have uh bodies that have been found in. lady? Put put this into our wonderful. sponsor perplexity before it becomes the.

digital god that takes over the. universe. This AI um what are the. numbers of people that uh have been. found drowned in Ladybird Lake over the. last 3 years? It's something crazy. >> Is it really? >> Yeah, it's like 30. >> I [clears throat] thought this was just. a funny joke for Tony to talk about the. landing and the. No, no, no. It's real. >> It's real. So, the cops don't want to. say it's a serial killer. They think. there's it's cuz it's over by Rainy. Street. A lot of people are partying, but there's.

>> the bodies keep piling up. 38. >> What? >> And they they want to [clears throat]. say it's not a serial killer. >> 2022. data showing at least 38 bodies found in. or around Ladybird Lake. um separate map based analysis of uh. Ladybird Lake deaths downtown area. reports. Four deaths in 2022, five in. 2023, five in 2024, two in 2025. The So this is.

downtown area. These map numbers focus. on a specific stretch of the lake while. the 38 body figures covers all bodies. found in or around the lake in that. period. >> These might be right near that bar area. on Rainy Street. >> Right. Right on Rainy Street. 38. >> or other parts of the lake. >> So, they're basically saying. these guys get drunk. >> and they end up passing out in the. water. >> I mean, all you would have to do is get. someone drunk enough where you could. hold them under water.

>> Yeah. >> It's not I mean, if you were a guy who. wasn't drinking or you had a really good. tolerance or you're a big person, >> no evidence of serial murderer says the. patterns match typical accidental. drowning risks. young adult men, night. life, easy water access, or. [laughter] some guy who's drowning gay. guys. >> Could be. >> There's a lot of them are gay. Like a. giant percentage of these guys are gay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it's near a gay. area. That's the gay Rainy Street is. like the party area where there's a lot.

of gay bars. >> Got it. >> That's why it's such a funny joke for. Tony. >> Yeah. Well, it's it's a weird thing, man. It's a weird thing because at what. point in time does someone have to get. caught before they say, "Oh, Jesus, these these weren't just a coincidence. Someone was drowning people." Cuz I. don't think it was a common thing. I. think like, you know, you maybe get one. a year, some [ __ ] drunk hops off a. boat and doesn't know what he's doing. and drowns. That does happen. But this. is not that. This is way more. 38 bodies.

in a few years is kind of kooky. >> Well, and how many of those, if you. think about it, right? How many serial. killers are out there? Cuz the FBI. obviously they've done the analysis on. it. There's probably like a 100, 200, 300. >> active serial killers. >> Ask any point in time. >> Always. There's always Yeah, always has. been. >> And it most of them Well, I'll say, "Yeah, I wanted to get caught." Or, "Yeah, it took you long enough." Like I. was I was getting sloppy, right? My. murder lust took over. >> There was 200 since 2004.

>> Oh my gosh. >> What? [laughter]. Oh my god. Autopsy report found alcohol. present in a large share of the cases, sometimes at levels above the legal. driving limit, which is not much by the. way. The legal driving limit is like two. drinks. And police specifically desri. describe most rainy street area. drownings as alcohol or drugrelated. >> Also, I've heard people getting, you. know, dosed. They get like roofied and. whatnot and they're like I've heard a. lot too many cases. Never in a city have.

I lived I've heard that many people. saying they've been roofied. Yeah. No, I. I think it's I don't think it's uh. specific to here. I think it's. everywhere. It's GHB I think is a lot of. it. People are dosing people up with. GHB. That's a big one. >> Who's the How many serial killers are. there quit? Not. >> Yeah. How many active serial killers do. they estimate. >> are in in America right now? >> Let's guess. Let me say 10. >> You think 10? >> Yeah, >> I think 100. >> Whoa.

>> Yeah, I'm going 100. This is like a. Wheel of Fortune type scenario. Yeah, man. Holy [ __ ] 100's nuts. If it's 100, >> I think it's 100. >> That's [snorts] crazy. >> 300. >> Interesting, >> huh? >> 25 to 50 at any given time. >> Wow. >> Range reflects killers who have. committed at least two murders with a. cooling off period and are still. operating undetected. I like the cooling. off period. Maybe I need to take a. break. scrubbing the [ __ ] blood out.

of the inside of your fingernails. >> Serial killings make up less than 1% of. US homicides overall. Numbers peaked at. around 300 in the 1970s and 1980s. There. was 300 active serial killers in the 70s. and the 80s. >> I bet that was because that was when. there was like Son of Sam, you know, >> was it trendy? >> Yeah. >> I think it was probably a lot of bored. dudes just didn't like working in an. office. It's. >> like Ted Bundy and Son of Sam. All those. guys were like the green. >> all over the news. All over the news.

Yeah, it was huge. >> Why are there fewer serial killers now. than there used to be? >> What was the answer? >> That's probably just cuz it's easier to. get caught now. People probably more. afraid to try. >> Well, yeah. Cuz you think about all the. technology and the surveillance like you. get rolled up. >> Yeah. You get a. >> I think the creepiest one was that dude. who studied um serial killers in college. and then went and killed those girls at. that dorm house. You never you know that story? What was. that in Seattle? I think Idaho. Yeah, it.

was Ted Bundy, right? >> No, no, no. Recent. recent. Yeah. Um he knew the people that. lived there. Uh he studied What did he. study exactly in college? Like he was. studying it like he was trying to learn. how to not get caught. >> Oh. >> yeah. This guy, this [ __ ] creep. >> He horrific new details about the final. moments of the four University of Idaho. stabbing victims. >> Oh gosh. So that's where I went to. school. That's University of Idaho. >> He stabbed the four victims at least 150.

times in total. >> I didn't realize that was like the case. from Moscow. >> Yeah. Jesus Christ. >> Yeah. >> This sick [ __ ] So this guy, he was. studying it in college. So I forget what. criminal justice uh. >> say it. >> Let's see if uh we can find out. But it. was very clear that he had been planning. this a long time. And there was also a. possible connection to him and some. murders from the Pacific Northwest that.

they he knew the people the people died. in a kind of a similar way. He might. have gotten away with it up there, right? >> So he tried it up there and then went to. Idaho. >> PhD criminology student. >> Oh my gosh. >> Well, that makes sense. >> It does. Right. >> So he's he's educating himself on how to. get away with it. >> He was that guy that if uh you had your. comm's class, he'd be sitting there like. this. >> [laughter]. >> He's like way into it. >> Yeah. Way into it. Way into Okay. Yeah. >> Yeah. He wanted to know all the details. >> The Pacific Northwest is like that's a.

spot. These guys love it up there. I. don't know if it's like the rain, you. know, like. >> Well, we had a lady that was connecting. it. She came on the podcast and she was. connecting a bunch of serial killers. from a very specific area that did a lot. of It was mining, right? Wasn't it? Mining and the the the uh industrial. pollution. Oh, so it's like increased. the increased lead or something, right? In the water or something. >> What was the the the the processing of. it. >> like. >> Oh, the.

>> what are those when they're burning it? Yeah. >> What's that called? >> Leading is what this. >> Yeah, it was lead, but it was other. stuff. It was other stuff like there's. arsenic in it and there's a lot of But. what am I looking for? Not what is it? What? Why? Why can't I come up with that. term? The plants where they burn all the. [ __ ]. power plants. What What's the term? God. damn it. >> Caroline [snorts] Frasier is her name, though. [laughter]. >> I don't know. What's her name? >> Caroline Frasier. >> Yeah. >> Maybe Paul would know if he got stam on.

here and she could talk about he could. talk about the mushroom or the fungi in. the Pacific Northwest. Maybe it has. something to do with it. >> I don't think so. I think [laughter]. that that'll probably stop him from. doing it. But her take was that there. was all these places. What am I? What is. the term I'm looking for where they. incinerate [ __ ] like a power plant, like. a coal plant? There's a term. I can't. remember what it is. >> Anyway, um they're releasing an. incredible amount of toxins in the. atmosphere and a lot of the [ __ ] is. coming down in rain. It's getting in the. ground. All the ground around there is.

all polluted. Everything's polluted. And. so what her take is that all these. people have suffered chemical pollution. And a lot of that chemical pollution. leads to all sorts of weird. psychological disorders and psychosis. and all kinds of [ __ ] depending upon the. levels of exposure. >> So this is why you have an increased. serial killers in the Pacific Northwest. This is what you're saying. >> Yeah, there was a bunch of power plants. up there. >> Interesting. >> Coal plants and smelting and you know. just a lot of mining.

>> There's a lot of mineralrich resources. up there and. >> so I should be concerned because I spent. most of my life up there. Well, half of. it at least. Yeah, >> it depends. I think now they've cleaned. it up though. Like she was connecting it. to a long time ago, but there's areas. back there where she was saying that. they they do an analysis of the soil and. it's just completely [ __ ]. >> How long's it been since you've done. like Seattle? >> Oh, I haven't been back in a while. >> Like. >> I did the Tacoma Dome with Dave. Chappelle. We did that right before the.

pandemic popped. >> Oh, okay. >> And I really haven't been back. It's. just like once that whole Chaz thing. went down and they locked off the block. and the mayor said maybe it's the summer. of love or or or maybe you've got some. [ __ ] crazy people that you've. empowered to take over a giant swath of. your city and you're cool with it and. you're the [ __ ] mayor. And by the. way, she is an upgrade compared to their. current mayor. The current mayor is the. that choice is insane. Woman who's never.

held a real job. She's been living with. her parents. She's 40. They pay her. bills. She's a socialist. She rides a. bike. She doesn't even own a car. And. now she's in charge of what? Seven. billion dollar budget. Like what is. >> that? Makes sense. >> Yeah. >> I Two thumbs up Seattle. Congratulations. You've done a great. job. [laughter]. >> I don't know where those places go. Those places that have gone like full. into wokeville. Like a buddy of mine. just went to Portland and he was like, "Bro, it's bananas. It's like a complete.

mental asylum like spilled out onto the. streets." Not just the campers, not just. the open air drug users everywhere. because for a long time they. decriminalized everything in Portland. So everybody ramped it up a notch and. moved to Portland because that was a. place where you could do drugs and not. worry about anything. But he he was like. all the regular people are cracked. >> The place like spending as much time as. I have in Seattle, which I used to live. there. I loved that city. Late 90s, loved it. >> Oh, it was great. It was one of my. favorite places to live.

>> Such a cool spot. >> Cool people. And then you saw this flip. and it was right around 2010 is when. things really flipped over and that to. your point they had your car was your. doicile so you couldn't get a parking. ticket so you could basically live in. front of somebody's house in a parking. spot and they couldn't write a parking. ticket. >> that started in 2010. >> give it give or take a couple years and. so I went back to my my I had a house up. there for a while and the the week the. day I decided that I was going to sell.

this place like we fly up there. I've. got my daughter, she's like a year old. My wife and I are walking down the. street and this is a part of the city. It's called Ballard, which is beautiful. part of the city. Tons of like old bars. Awesome place back late 90s, early 2000. But then there was a camper in front of. my condo and then there was a naked man. with a tennis racket with his. my daughter's a year old. his dick's. flying around and my my my.

one-year-old's like I'm holding her like. walking away from the other end. He's. got a tennis racket. He's like playing. the US Open in his head, whatever he's. doing. And then on the corner, no less. than 50 ft away, there was a half- naked. lady like taking a [ __ ] And you're. like, "Nah, time to leave. I think this. is uh I think we're we're all good. here.". >> We had an issue like that in California. for a while. Oh, yeah. >> Where um when the economy started to go. south, now this is pre pandemic as well. We started having these campers camp out. right in front of our studio and they.

would uh the studio where we had in LA, you've been to that place. It was the. warehouse. We had a big lawn in front of. the warehouse and these guys would. spread out on the lawn. So they would. park their camper there and then they. would like cook out and they would lay. out and so like you're in this build, you're asking people to walk past these. people to go do your podcast in this big. ass warehouse that I had leased. And I. was like why are you doing this? like. you can't be doing this. You can't just. use my lawn as your front yard. Like.

this is crazy. I mean spread out, dude. They had [ __ ] laying out there and all. >> There's nothing you can do. >> Well, there was. Oh, really? Yeah. We. contacted the police and the police. eventually they realized this is not a. good thing and they moved them all. But. they moved them to different parts of. town and so then you would drive to like. the more industrial areas of town that. didn't like our place was like. semi-industrial. there was a bunch of. warehouses, but there was also a bunch. of like foot traffic businesses, restaurants and stuff like that. And so. they moved them out of there. But if you. go into the deeper industrial places.

where they have factories and stuff, they were they were there like whole. blocks of them where you just have. campers laying out and just open meth. smoking. These people are just full-on. methheads that had just started a. community of fellow meth enthusiasts. with campers. And a lot of their campers. didn't even run. They could just get it. to the spot wherever it was and then. they would steal power. You know, every. now and then a dude would die because he. didn't know how to do the wires right. and he'd get cooked. >> Yeah, that's right. [laughter] That's. it's the same where where we were at in.

Salt Lake. I'd have full-time security. out in front of the like literally in. front of the building. >> Our concern was when we left it was like. if we left at night and someone broke. in, it would take [ __ ] forever for. cops to show up and do something about. it. And so I was like, you can't just. you just can't have these guys knowing. that like famous people and, you know, high-profile people are going to be at. that spot and you've got like open meth. smoking right in front of the place. Like this is too crazy. >> Yeah. >> They're too too unpredictable. You know,

I look I don't care if you live in your. truck. It's probably cool. If you're a. guy who's like you've checked out of. society essentially and you just like. playing pickle ball all day and you live. in a camper, who cares? Go ahead and do. that. But once you start engaging in. meth smoking and then it's always theft, theft comes with meth smoking and. there's a lot of breakins in the area. and it was it got to a point where the. cops had to do something. So, credit to. them that they did. >> It's almost a difference between.

#vanlife and #methlife. Yeah. >> There's a big difference, >> right? Van life is like you want to be a. guy who's not saddled down to one. particular spot. You have a place that's. in this van that has a bed. You have a. little tiny kitchen area. You have a. little portable fridge. It's all you. need. I don't need a [ __ ] house. Just. travel around. It's probably fun. >> Yeah. >> The freedom of it, you know? Like Alex. Hnold, that crazy dude that just climbed. that tower in. >> in uh Chinese Taipei. He uh used to live.

like that for a long time. >> He had a big van. and he would park in. his friend's driveway sometimes and he. would just travel to trail heads and. live. >> live out of his van. >> That's like the the minimalist. attraction, right? Where you're like, I. I don't have anything other than what's. in my van or on my back where life is. simple. I don't have to organize. anything. I can stay focused. >> I think that's a it's an interesting. thought exercise, especially when you're. younger. You're like, "Okay, cool. I can. wrap my head around that.". >> Yeah. >> And it's completely respectable. A lot.

of these hippies, I shouldn't say that. in the context of like hippie dance. around in flowers in my hair. A lot of. these like climber crunchy guys, >> they are hard committed like bad mofos. like when they're. >> when they're living on dog food. Like. there's this great story about the. founder of Patagonia where he went to. the store. He was climbing Elcap. And. I'm trying to recall a story from. outside magazine from, you know, 20. years ago. But in general circumstance, that's what it is where he went to the.

store. He's going to be climbing LCAP. for months and he's just working on a. specific route and he went to the store. to buy food. He only had a hundred bucks. or whatever it was. And dog food was. less expensive and he was like, "Me, I can live on that." And [laughter] he. bought dog food and lived on dog food. >> He just lived on kibble. >> and Yeah. so he could climb and stay out. there longer. >> His farts were like, >> "Bro, like you wouldn't want to be. behind that on his route, right? He. [laughter] would not want to be climbing.

behind that guy. I'll tell you that.". >> Because I stopped giving my dog regular. dog food a long time ago. But when he. was younger, uh, all my dogs, I would. just buy the most expensive dry dog. food. I was like, "Oh, this stuff is. good.". >> And then somewhere along the line, it. clicked. I was like, "Wait, what? How. can it sit there? How can it just sit in. that bag for a month? That's crazy. How. could it sit on the shelf for years? That's nuts. That can't be good for you. And then I started feeding them frozen. food. And then they like that. But then.

I switched to farmer's dog, which is. human grade food, which is lightly. cooked. They [ __ ] love it. That stuff. I would eat. Like you smell it, it. smells like food. It doesn't smell. disgusting, right? >> But. >> regular dog food is [ __ ] terrible for. a dog. It's It's not good for them. So, if you have to eat that stuff, that. kibble stuff, and you're going to travel. around, your gut must be going like, "What are you doing? What kind of. chemicals are in here? What kind of. preservatives are They're just nuking.

your gut biome.". >> The la the level I I But I love the. level of commitment. I love like when. people drift over into. >> like crazy. >> Yeah. to where their level of commitment. and their passion like translates. directly into nothing else exists in. their life and they're willing to live. on dog food to do the thing that they. they love. >> Fun. >> That to me is like. >> you're you're you're an extremist and I. respect it. Like you know what I. >> No, I can respect that. >> Do you ever see that movie Dirt Bag?

>> No. >> Um pull up that movie Dirt Bag. It's a. great movie. It's about a guy who. essentially did that till he was dead. This guy just camped out on the ground. in front of his friends houses most of. the time. Didn't have a car. Just would. just just climb. That's all he did. He. was always mooching off people. And he. had very detailed What was the dude's. name? >> Fred. >> Fred Becky. [clears throat]. >> Fred Becky. The dude's a legend. So he. had been doing this from, you know, the. 19 [ __ ] 50s. Like he was an old ass.

man and he still Look at the gnarled. hands. Look at his [ __ ] handsid. >> from just climbing. Imagine if that guy. got a hold of your dick. [laughter] Just. rip it right off. >> Do you know who Mark Twight is? >> No. >> Okay. So, Mark Twight, >> look at this [ __ ] guy. >> He was I mean one of the like foremost. names in Alpineering. Like he's he's. written several books on it. He wrote a. book called Kiss or Kill Confessions of. a Serial Climber back in the day. Very. very similar like in the context of I.

would imagine the the psychological. makeup. And he started a a a gym called. Jim Jones back in the day. And like it. was where a bunch of people you had it. was invite only. So you could only get. invited and it was like a lot of special. operations guys, CIA guys and. professional climbers like everybody. that was trying to push the envelope. physically would go out and train with. Mark. And uh I've been friends with him. for years. But anything Mark does, he.

moves from like I'm going to be the best. climber like Alpineering. I'm going to. be the subject matter expert. He was a. professional uh he shot Ipsick for a. while. So he's a professional, you know, pistol shooter for a while. He's a. professional climber. And now he's a. photographer, writer. Everything he. does, he does it to a level of. perfection that it probably drives. everybody else in his life bananas. Like. he's fascinating. He's a fascinating. human. >> Those people that go really to the outer.

level of whatever's possible with. whatever the [ __ ] they're doing are. always fascinating cuz it makes you go, I don't know if I want to do that. >> Like what is the sacrifice to get really. good at rock climbing? You never have. kids. You never have a life. You never. have a job. like this this dirt bag guy. like everyone around him both admired. him and felt sad for him, >> right? >> Because like he died a dirt bag. He. never had a family and it's like all his. ex-girlfriends talking about how an. interesting guy he was. He was really.

fun, but eventually I have a [ __ ]. move on. Like this dude all he wanted to. do was like sleep on the ground and get. up and start climbing rocks his whole. life. But there's if you think about. everybody around us in the in their. profession or their thing, right? You're. at the apex of a your professional your. your profession. And your level of. commitment, I'm not like boosting you. up. I'm just saying like your level of. commitment is unparallel to a huge. percentage of other people. So you have.

a portion of whatever that is. And there. are all these other people that have. that thing where their pursuit of. passion around that specific profession. or product or whatever it might be, they're so committed to it that it takes. over. It's all consuming. >> Like. I mean I've seen it because when even. when you go play pool, I'm like the when. we were in Vegas a couple months ago, they're like, "Oh, we're going to play. pool. I'm going to come out. He's going. to be there till like 6:00 in the. morning. I'm not going to do that." And. Green Tree was like he was he was there.

till like 6:00 in the morning. He played. for like 8 hours straight. I was like, "Yeah, I could see the writing on the. wall. I'm I'm out of here.". >> The pool is my number one problem. That's my biggest one. >> Really? >> Yeah. That's the one where if I if I. ever wanted to not do anything else, I. would just become a professional pool. player. If I just said, "Okay, I am. done. I'm done podcasting. I'm done with. the UFC. I'm done with everything. I'm. just going to travel around and do. tournaments.". >> Huh. >> I could I could go crazy. I could go. crazy and just do that 100%. Is it just.

the the the game fascinates you? The the. angles, the the ability to like just. continue to evolve within that all the. time. You can't ever be the best. >> You definitely never achieve full. perfection, but to be really good. requires this level of laser focus and. concentration and an understanding of. what's going on. M I mean you're taking. a stick and you're hitting a ball into. another ball with pinpoint accuracy into.

a pocket that is on my table it's 4 and. a/4 in. >> So you've got the cube the ball the. object ball which is about that big and. then you got that much space on each. side. Just a tiny little space on each. side. You got to slip it through there. often times like 8 feet away 7 feet away. 6 feet away with English. So you're. putting spin on the Q ball, which. imparts a throw on the object ball. So. if I put right hand spin on the CQ ball. and I hit the object ball, I have to. calculate for the fact that it's going.

to throw the object ball slightly to the. left because of the right hand spin. because it clings to the ball a little. bit and shoot. So all this is playing in. my head and then I have to have it at a. speed where once the Q ball then. collides with the object ball pockets it. then it's got to go one, two, three. rails for perfect position on the next. ball. And I have to have an angle. I. have to make sure that I have an angle. for the following ball, right? >> And you don't want to be trapped on the. rails. You want to be off the rail. It's. like all these different thing. You. can't think about anything else. Your.

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That's better. Helpp.comjre. >> So, have you gotten I I'm sure you have. like professional. >> players. Yeah. Coaching guys have come. out like the best in the world have come. out and played with you. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> How do you hold up? Like what's your. >> Well, I can never beat them, right? >> Uh but I beat them some games. I I can. break and run out. So, I break and run. out one two games in a row sometimes. But they'll make so like if you have.

like a score of uh accuracy it's called. like a Fargo rating. It's based on a. thousand points is you never miss. >> Uh I am in like the 700 on a good day. 750 range but a real worldass pro is in. the 800 plus range. Like um Fedor Gors. is probably like 850. The Joshua filler. is probably like a little higher than. that. They get into this rate where they. so rarely miss. And again, they're.

playing on 4 in pockets, which is like a. quarter inch smaller than the pockets. I'm playing on. Although, they are. playing on new cloth, >> which helps a lot. >> Makes things more slippery. They fall in. more, more worn out cloth, like when. it's broken in for a couple of weeks, it. gets tougher. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. The cloth gets a little less. slick and you got to hit a ball a little. bit more pure. But on the plus side, English takes better. >> So when you play with these guys, is it. one of those things where they like. instantly humble you in the context of.

you start feeling I'm really confident. in my game and then you step in? >> No, not really. No, >> there's not that big of a delta between. >> there's a gap. There's definitely a gap. I mean, they're just way better than me, but it's it's a lot of it is just time. They spend eight hours a day playing. every day. If I spent eight hours a day. playing every day, I think I could play. at a professional level. >> I wouldn't be able to beat the best. guys. No, I would never be able to beat. like the coping chunks and the the the. guys that are at the very top top cuz.

those guys have been playing eight hours. a day for decades. They never stop. >> What what's a what's a guy like that. make annually in tournaments. >> now? More than ever. Really? >> Yeah. Because of matchroom pool. So, Matchroom, the same company that Eddie. Hearn owns that does a lot of boxing. promotions, they're involved in a lot of. sports. They've done an amazing job with. pool, specifically with nineball, and. they they put on these huge tournaments. Saudi Arabia has a big one every year. They have this big world championship.

where they pay a ton of money. And so, you know, a good player, like a top of. the heat player is making half a million. dollars plus a year. Okay? And then also. endorsements. So they have endorsements. like companies like Predator Q's pay. them and QEC and all all these different. companies pay them x amount of dollars. per year. They have a sponsor for the. chalk they use. They have a sponsor for. >> the tips they play with. All all these. different things. All that adds up. >> So what's the difference then between. what is it snooker? Is that the English? >> Totally different game. Totally.

different game. It's a big table. It's a. 12x6 as opposed to a 4 1/2 by 9. So, it's a much bigger table, but the balls. are smaller as well. And then their Q's. have these tiny little tips on them. They all play with ash Q's, which is. like a very stiff wood, and they play. with like a solid wood queue, whereas a. lot of like pro pool players have. switched to carbon fiber now. They play. with carbon fiber cues because it's like. it move it's a little bit more dense, so. it moves the ball differently.

>> Fine. Have you played it? >> Snooker? Yeah, I played it when I was in. Scotland a little bit. Uh, but I only. played by myself. There was just a table. and I was just whacking balls around. It's very difficult to pocket balls. But. I don't even really understand the. rules. I would have to really pay. attention. I watch it a little bit. sometimes because I know how hard it is. to do what they're doing cuz you do have. this enormous table. Their cloth is a. lot slower, too. It's a It's not as. slick of a cloth. >> So, is it It's got to be older then, right? Is it. >> Oh, it's way It's old. Snooker's old.

Um, so the original Billyard's game had. no pockets. The original billiards game. was three cushion billiards or bulk line. or there's a a bunch of different. billiards games where you play on a. table like say it was like this table. There's no pockets in it and there's. just rubber rails all around it and it's. all about knocking one ball into the. other ball going three rails and then. colliding with the third ball. >> Huh. >> Yeah. It's just about scoring points. And I've watched a bunch of that online, too, cuz it helps you understand angles.

like as you go into a rail because the. angles change depending upon how much. English you put on it, how hard you hit. it, whether you hit it with follow or. draw. There's a bunch of different like. parts of the Q ball that you can contact. with that radically changes the way the. ball moves around on the table. So, it's. like you're calculating so many. different things. There's geometry. involved. There's touch and feel. There's like there's all these factors. that come into play when you're playing. really well. >> So that explains why archery is also.

somewhat of a fascination then because. you have very similar aspects to archery. and pull that directly translate. >> That's like why those things snap. together real well for you. >> Oh, for me they they're handinand. they're they're basically the same. thing. It's basically the same thing. You're just doing it in a different way. you know, you're it's the same thing. It's like having everything just flowing. together perfectly after like years and.

years and years of meticulous practice. and then it starts to come together. and then you pull that group out and. it's nice and tight at like 65 yards. like yeah, you got it dialed in. It's. that feeling and it's the same thing was. the world goes away. There is no room. for anything when you're about to pull. that trigger. Whether it's in pool where. you're about to make the shot or whether. it's in archery, there's no room for. anything. That's what I like about it. I. also like that there's no [ __ ].

There's no shenanigans. There's no. personality. There's no nothing matters. Nothing matters. Did the ball go in the. hole? If it didn't, you lose. If it did, you win. It's really clean. >> I like that. >> Yeah. Like that's the thing I love about. like like shooting just in general, right? Like if I'm hitting a target, it. doesn't matter. I took my kids to the. arcade the other day and uh ski ball. >> Oh yeah, I love ski ball. [laughter]. >> I can like spend an hour on that thing. just like. >> just trying to get the perfect lob in.

there and it's it's like I used to tell. people I'm like I'm just a projectile. enthusiast where. >> I I love hitting center mass of whatever. target. I'm still a six-year-old kid. with my BB gun, right? It's like at the. end of the day now my tools are are, >> you know, much more advanced and I've. got, you know, the millions of dollars. of government funded training behind me, so I'm a little bit more effective at. hitting what I want to shoot at. But it. still has the same the same exact. feeling. >> like.

>> if you're 6 years old hitting a pop can. with your BB gun or ringing a piece of. steel at a mile with a rifle or hitting. a you know the the heart of a foam elk. in your backyard. It's the same, dude. It translates and it like pulls you into. something that's like pure. I guess. >> it is pure and it's also a really good. mind exercise. Just like you know when. you work out you're cleaning your mind. There's a lot of what working out is is. not just physical. It's mental clarity.

You uh relax the mind. You calm the mind. through hard exercise. And there's. something where you're calming your mind. through shooting because it requires so. much of you. Everything else just gets. get the [ __ ] out of the way. Bills, this. that, you know, oh, I got to call that. guy. I don't want to call him. [ __ ] I. got to deal with this thing. Oh, that's. falling apart. This deal sucks. >> It all goes away. It has to go away. If. it doesn't go away, you miss. And then. you go, [ __ ] Why did I miss? You miss. cuz you're distracted. Like, let's.

focus. Put the [ __ ] arrow on the. knock, you know? Put it in there. Draw. it back. Center it. calm, relaxed. At that moment, like at that moment, there is nothing else in your [ __ ]. head. There's nothing. And then, and it. goes in there, you get this. this nice burst of happiness when you. watch that [ __ ] arrow just drop right. in exactly where you want it to, like, and then you go and pull the arrows and. you go right back and start it again. And at the end of that practice, I feel.

way better. I just always feel better. I. always feel clearer. >> My my head works better. It's just like. it's a focus exercise with ex which. excites all your synapses. >> And then on top of that, it's a mental. clearing thing. Like Fred Barry used to. talk about that like something about I. forget the quote, but it's something. about there's nothing like shooting a. bow that clears a man's mind. It's. totally true. >> There's something about archery in. particular that just cleans your mind. >> Yeah, I I I 100% agree. I I used to have.

this traded. Have I told you the story? Like. >> so I'd stuff the old coffee bags, the. burlap coffee bags. Stuff them up and. fill them up and then I started shooting. a trado originally. >> while the roasting cycle takes about. eight eight and a half minutes. >> So I couldn't really do anything. I'm. like watching the, you know, coffee. roast, which is just tumbling in a big. dryer. And so I'd just shoot a tad bow. in the back to just focus something. other than the business, uh, you know,

family, whatever it is. I could just. shoot my tad bow. And then Dudley was. like, "Why do you shoot that thing? It's. so stupid." Like, "Don't you like to hit. what you shoot at?" I'm like, "I'm just. doing it for fun, man. Like, you know, I'm I'm a happy golucky guy. I just want. to like active form of meditation." But. what what I did realize was it was such. a pure to your point it would flush out. all this negative [ __ ] that I was like. either working through or dealing.

dealing with that's like so being able. to translate that to other people. especially veterans huge huge. transformation for guys. >> because they can go out it's quiet. >> it's a subculture they can be part of. they can geek [clears throat] out on all. the. >> new gear and arrow heads. You wait into. the infinite neverending debate around. [ __ ] around cutting surface area and. [ __ ] you know, mass and velocity and. like you'll never get tired because it's. like full of its own little drama and.

it's like a bunch of nerd [ __ ] that you. can actually have a lot of fun with. >> So much nerd [ __ ] That's what people. don't understand, you know, and they. don't expect nerd [ __ ] like real. complicated technical nerd [ __ ] from. archery. You don't think of it that way, but it's like many things. Like once you. get into it, you realize like, oh, this. thing there this there's a learning. curve to this [ __ ] There's a. lot involved. Like whenever one of my. friends is like, I want to go bow. hunting. I'm like, [sighs and gasps]. do you really? Are you sure? Like, don't. tell me you like it's not that you got.

to dive in off of a cliff. This is not. like I'm going to go dip my waters into. bow hunting. I want to go shoot an elk. Like, Jesus Christ. Do you know how hard. that is to do? You have [ __ ] there's. so many moving parts. There's so many. thing you have to be able be proficient. under extreme stress. There's so much. going on there, man. Don't tell me you. want to do that unless you you got to. you got to show me before I get. involved. Oh, take me bow hunting. That's [laughter] not happening. You are.

not going to be stomping on twigs near. me and you're not going to be going. you're not going to be not checking the. wind. All these things are not going to. happen. >> Well, they they like the idea, right? like they like and there's plenty of. people they're like they're they're. they're window shoppers in this. activity, right? They're like they're. walking by and they're like that looks. cool, right? >> But they don't like the realities of. what it actually takes because it's so. [ __ ] hard and it like ruins you a lot. of times. Like I mean when the last few. years we've hunt enough together like.

dude I've been psychologically ruined by. [laughter] like shooting something or. making a bad shot or like just. devastating. >> missing like Yeah. It's like you can't. figure out why you missed. >> No. And then you're you're running. through it a thousand a thousand times. like what did I do? Okay. How do I do. better? And then you're like okay. >> But you're the kind of guy that does. that that does the process in your head. and then improves and keeps getting. better. For some people that that will. ruin their life. Like the one bad thing.

that happens will ruin their [ __ ]. life because they spent all these months. preparing. They paid for a tag. They. hired an outfitter and then flink dunk. dunk the shot and [ __ ] ruined their. whole week and then they go back home. How'd your hunt go? Oh, I missed. You. know, like or I wounded it. >> Well, and it's it's a it's a it's a. lesson in life. Like you can work. >> harder than you've ever worked. and. still fail. >> And still fail. >> Yeah. >> You can work for a decade of your life. You can shoot and shoot and train and.

train and you can put in all the work. and still [ __ ] it up. >> And there's guys who in the same. situation as you would succeed. >> Yeah. >> So, you got to figure out what's what. are they doing different? Why are they. better? Keep and keep getting better. Like there's hunts that I've been. successful on recently, you know, within. the last few years that I know that if I. had that same hunt eight, nine years. ago, I probably would have not been able. to make that shot, right? >> I've not I wasn't as good then. So, I've.

gotten better. It's like I think. everybody needs something that you can't. master that is hard to do that that. cleans your mind. I think people need. stuff to clean their mind. And I think. that's why so many people are running. around all [ __ ] up because you're. looking at social media all day. So that. gives you anxiety. Your your life is not. satisfying. So that gives you anxiety. You don't care take care of your body. So that gives you anxiety. You have all. these things comp. You're stuck in.

traffic. That gives you anxiety. Everybody's just mentally all [ __ ] up. And so you go to a doctor and the doctor. says, "Well, you know, you obviously. you're dealing with depression and uh I. can prescribe to you this or that or the. and then you're on Lexapro or whatever. the [ __ ] you're on." And that's the road. they go down. And this is a bad road. It's not a road where you're going to. improve your life. And there's other. ways to do it. And I think there'd be a. lot more happy people in this world if. you found a thing. It doesn't have to be. archery. It doesn't have to be pool. It.

doesn't have to be jiu-jitsu. It doesn't. have to be pistol shooting. It just has. to be something that's hard to do that. you are on this quest to make these. incremental improvements and through. that focus of incremental improvements. you improve your human potential. You. you improve your per your ability as a. person to do difficult t and to handle. situations. So, I always tell people if you do. jiu-jitsu, you'll be much happier. because the the stresses of life are.

nothing compared to a dude who's trying. to literally break your arm. >> He's on top of you and you're defending. and then you get out of it and then you. get him or he gets you and then you have. to tap and you go over again. That is so. hard to do that like regular life. becomes like a breeze. It becomes a. breeze. It makes everything. Jiu-Jitsu. people are some of the most relaxed. people I've ever been around in my life. They're all friendly to everybody. They're never talking [ __ ] or causing. drama or problems. They get it all out.

>> Yeah, they I think I think there's. something about getting the [ __ ] kicked. out of yourself too, right? So, like. there's something about facing someone, which I don't do jiu-jitsu, just, you. know, as a caveat to that, [snorts]. >> but being able to like face another. person in a scenario and then compete. against them. >> Yeah. >> So, where everything counts and then. literally just getting the [ __ ] beat out. of yourself and going, "Okay, well, I'm. going to step back up. I'm going to do. it again." Right.

>> Yeah. And get better. that level of. teaching yourself mental endurance like. that is the thing that I constantly. think about my kids like I'm like how do. I. >> be compassionate caring loving you know. the dad that wants to give them. everything and then how do you like. translate that into also creating. obstacles that will drive mental courage. right just. >> I think you do it by example I think. that's the best way yeah. uh my opinion is like If you look at Cam.

Haynes's sons, I mean, he was rough. raising his kids. He talks about that, but those kids are exceptional. They're. [ __ ] exceptional. Yeah. You know, one. son's a ranger, the other son broke the. world chin-up record, and. >> you know, he runs marathons with jeans. on and he's [ __ ] got two savage kids. And why? Why? Well, look at the. environment they grew up in, right? >> They grew up in a with a dad who's. supremely disciplined. And just by being. in his presence, you realize like, oh,

uh, I can achieve a lot more than other. people can if I'm just willing to put in. that work. And for a lot of people, that's that feeling that feeling of like. this the anxiety of struggle and of. grinding it out like that scares them. and they don't want to do it. And so. they come up with excuses or they. retreat into other things and, you know, they distract themselves. And if you're. a parent that does that, you create a. weird environment for your child because.

your child is sort of imitating you as a. leader and you're a [ __ ] and you're. always making excuses and you get fired. a lot or you sleep in a lot or you you. do things that like are not admirable. and then that child, you know, [ __ ]. life, man. You know, whereas, you know, his kids are probably like, Jesus. Christ, dad's a [ __ ] animal. Like, I. want to be an animal, too. And then you. see how people respect his father and. they go, "Oh, okay. I want I want people. to respect me like that, too." You know,

you hear what people talk about him when. he's not around like, "Well, I want. people to respect me, right?" Well, there's only one way to do that. You. have to be worthy of respect. There's. only one way to get there. It's a. [ __ ] long road. Good luck. Start. going. And uh you're not going to get. any satisfaction for a long ass [ __ ]. time other than the fact that you're on. the path that you're on. You're involved. in the process and you're on the. journey. Yeah, the grind, right? And it's like. it's overused, but the level of.

endurance like in courage when it's like. that trade alone just trying to. understand courage like who has it, who. doesn't have it, and then the level of. commitment to a mission or something. bigger than yourself. It's it's it's the. thing that I think about I'd say a huge. percentage of of the last several years, especially, you know, as I get a little. bit older, right? A little bit further. away from the G-Watt and I was with um.

uh I'm doing a documentary on um Earl. Plumbley. Do you know who that is? No. Um so he's a Medal of Honor recipient, former Green Beret. We are at the UFC. fight with u Elliot Miller and Earl. Plumbley. Early Earl Plumbley is a. incredibly humble guy. Like. just an amazing human. Like you can sit. here and talk to him. You'd never in a. million years know that this guy had.

earned the Medal of Honor. Never. Like. because one, he's never going to tell. you. Two, he's going to ask you a. hundred questions about you and be way. more fascinated with that. Two, and. three, you know, we were having this. conversation. He's like, "Man, it. belongs to the guys." like I didn't do. anything. Like it belongs to the guys. Like the guys, any of the guys if they. wouldn't have been shot would have done. the same exact thing that I did. And I. was like, man, that is an incredible. statement from, you know, a guy that's. sitting here. And so this documentary.

follows his path from joining the Marine. Corps, which was literally where the the. judge, you know, those those old stories. of the guy that was like forced by the. judge to join the the military or jail. He literally has that and it starts he. goes into you know the Marines and then. he's a force recon marine and he he had. gone through all the selections and he. got out of the Marine Corps joined the. army and we follow his story through the. eyes of his peers and his leaders.

because we wanted to see from his. perspective what do other people say. about him through his entire journey not. the story from his perspective one he'll. never tell it the way that it's probably. needs to be told. Two, what were the. choices that he made throughout his. professional life that made the man that. was capable of such an incredible act of. courage that it warranted the highest. medal, you know, literally earned in the. United States military. And that single.

word courage. >> How do you build. >> courageous people? >> Yeah. >> Is a fascinating. >> it's it's quite literally it's such a. fascinating subject. >> and most of it is. >> it's the the man in the arena, right? It's it's that poem from from Teddy. Roosevelt. It's like it's not the critic. who counts. It's like keeping up, stepping back in this commitment to. something greater than yourself and then.

making these thousands of choices in. your life every day as you wake up, step. forward, step back into the fray and. like make the active decision to be. better. And it's like. it's it's such a [ __ ] fundamental. thing of being able to any any part of. your life if you don't get up in the. morning and like commit yourself to. something. I'm not, you know, motivational speaker, but it's. how are you ever going to get better if. you're not committing to something like.

being a better dad or a better husband. or a better, you know, better at your. profession. And then committing to this. evolutionary process takes a not only a. huge amount of commitment, but mental. and physical endurance. It does. Man, I'm I'm never going to get tired of. trying to figure this out because. obviously it's it's like my peer sat I. was having this conversation with um. Jack Carr and I ran into the airport. Uh. we ran into each other at the airport on. the way down here and we were talking.

about. >> [ __ ] love that guy. >> [ __ ] such a good dude. And. it's it's not just in the military, right? It's it's not it's just. >> Yeah. And all of life. >> Yeah. All of life. Yeah, you find. exceptional people in all of life and. you can they're fuel. Those people are. fuel. >> and they and they enhance the lives of. the people around them and then if you. become one of those guys, you enhance. the lives of the people around you and. then you feed off of them and they feed. off of you and everybody feeds off of.

each other. And it's it's so good for. you to know that people like that are. out there that that there's a guy like. that capable of incredible courage and. that how did he get there? What did he. do? What did How did he become the man. he is right now? Because god damn, that's an admirable man. So, how do you. how do I get there? >> Yeah, >> it's And there's all these stories. I. like Jack and I were talking about um. because you know the Navy Seals. obviously they've got a lot of positive. uh PR over the last several years, but.

this the special operations community. has got so much just I don't know. airtime, right? But there are all these. other people in the military throughout, you know, generations of war fighters. that have gone out and done these. incredibly hard jobs. And I I found this. story of the Parchie, which is the USS. Parchie, which is the most decorated. submarine and ship in Navy history. They. have nine presidential citations. It's. the most decorated group of men in the.

US Navy, like in modern history, and. everything they've done is still. classified. >> Whoa. It's a cold war era nuclear. submarine that was modified and b. ultimately tasked out by the CIA to go. out and do collection. And they were the. guys that hundreds of feet down they. would land on the bottom of of the. ocean. And the uh Soviets had these. military communication lines that were. basically hard lines that would go under. a bay so they could communicate back and.

forth. And they they felt like they were. secure. And one of their jobs, which is. I' I've never been able to see anything. uh, you know, declassified, but the. stories that are out there, these guys. would land on the bottom of the ocean, send out divers at hundreds of feet, and. these guys would hook listening devices. on those lines, hundreds of feet down, like in cold, dark water. Can you. imagine, dude? Like you're out in 400.

feet or 300 feet of water, pitch black, you can't see anything, and your job is. to go and put a listening device on a. Soviet communication line in 1986 or. whatever it was. >> And you're in enemy territory. So if you. get discovered, you're dead. And none of. these guys, that's the incredible thing. None of these guys have ever said. anything about it. >> Wow. >> Decades. And not only decades of. missions, months away from home, none of.

these guys have said a [ __ ] thing. They've not been on a podcast. They've. not written any books. And the only. thing they say is, "Yeah, we did a lot. of incredible [ __ ] Still can't talk. about it." [laughter]. >> Unbelievable, man. >> Yeah. >> I've been able to see. I can go out and. do [ __ ] and like you still have the. ability to see. I can't imagine being in. like 300 ft of water. >> Pitch black. If you if you lose a glove, right, or something goes wrong,

>> how are you gonna get back to the boat. like and you're gonna have to get back. to the boat and then get back into. American territory without being. discovered? And more more importantly, you're going to do this how many times. over the course of your career? >> And are does the listening device. require them to gather the information. while they're at the bottom of the ocean. or does it transmit? >> I think it transmits. >> Yeah, >> that's much more convenient. It's not. it's not been declassified, so who. knows, right? Who knows?

>> And they don't talk about it. >> Wow. >> They don't talk about it. >> That's crazy. >> I was talking to uh Jack and I were. talking about it and um I was like, "Have you ever heard about this?" And. you know, he's a retired Navy guy. He's. like, "No, I've never heard about it.". I'm like, "That's my point. It's an. incredible story, man. Like these guys. are still buttoned up, >> not saying a [ __ ] word.". >> They pick the right guys. >> They pick the right guys. >> Yeah. There's guys like that out there. Yeah. >> Yeah. And they don't have to be famous. either. There's a lot of people out. there. They just they're, you know,

>> they're just doing the mission. >> Yeah. >> They'd come home, not tell their. families. >> Yeah. >> Their wives would be pissed off. What. are you doing out out on the boat with. all your friends for months just hanging. out hot racking, you know? >> Yeah. >> Like, I can't say anything. >> You have to have the right wife. >> Mhm. >> If you don't have a woman that can. understand that, that becomes a real. problem. [laughter]. >> Yeah. I'm sure a lot of them ended up in. divorce. >> Oh, yeah. Well, you know, that was part. of the Bob Lazar story. >> The Bob Lazar was the guy that worked at.

Area 51. Yeah. >> He couldn't tell his wife what he was. doing. And they would call him at like. 10:00 p.m. Uh, there's a flight for you. that leaves at 11:15, be at the airport, you know, and he had to leave. And he. would tell his wife, "I got to go to. work." And she's like, "It's 11:00 at. night." He's like, "I have to go to. work. What are you doing?" He's like, "I. can't talk about it." Cuz all his phones. were bugged. Everything was bugged. >> Right? So his wife is like, "This. [ __ ] is cheating on me." So she. she starts [ __ ] her flight. instructor. And [laughter] that's one of. the reasons why they removed him from.

his duties because they're like, "This. guy's going to be unstable. We have to. see how he handles this because he's. involved in this top secret. >> back engineering of a flying saucer. program allegedly. And we have to uh you. know keep an eye on this [ __ ]. because he he can't be mentally unstable. and have this kind of responsibility cuz. he couldn't tell her. Couldn't tell her. anything. >> You can't tell anybody. >> Yeah. And then eventually he took her to. the the the sites where he could he.

explained to everybody when he thought. that his life was in danger and then he. was getting fired when things started. getting sideways like people need to. know about this. He took her out there. and he showed her. But it was he didn't. know that she was [ __ ] some other guy. by the by that time. That's so. unfortunate. >> Unfortunate. Yeah. >> Look at this is what I'm doing. I wonder. if that actually. >> I wonder if she's like, "Fuck, I. shouldn't have [ __ ] that guy. [laughter] [ __ ] that guy, man. I feel. bad now. I shouldn't have [ __ ] that. guy." I I used to have to do that cuz. for years, you know, years of my life, I. didn't tell anybody. Couldn't tell.

anybody who I worked for or what I did. And I didn't have a wife. So, I didn't. have a wife or kids. I just not really. say anything. And I just dip out. I kind. of dipped out from like family. My dad. was like very concerned because he's. like, "I never hear from that kid. I. don't know what he's doing." I'm like, "Just working. Just. >> just busy, man." [snorts]. >> But it weighs on you after a while. You're like, "This kind of sucks.". >> Yeah. Not being able to tell people. about something you're doing is that's. hard. Like you can never show someone.

part of who you are. There always going. to be a door that's closed. >> It's kind of nuts. >> Yeah. It's difficult. It was like my. wife when we first got together, she's. the first girl that or first woman, I. shouldn't say girl. She's the first. woman I told because I was like, "Fuck. this place. I'm out of it anyway." So, if if I get rolled up, I get rolled up. Who cares? I'm out anyway. >> Did she was she initially like, "Whoa.". Like, how did she handle it? >> Well, so we were.

>> Did you give her like details? >> No. No. No. I Because she had met some. of my friends, right? And you know, the. guys from the community are fairly. obvious cuz they look like you and. they're jacked, tattooed, you know, a. lot of them are, you know, big beards. It looks like um look like the Hell's. Angels, right? >> Right. So like I don't work for the. State Department. That's fairly obvious. Like State Departments, they're going to. wear suits and you know they're come out. of Harvard and they use really long. words all the time. they're not.

[laughter] they're not like they don't. look like they're getting ready to. commit a felony like and and so she. would be around, you know, at our. kitchen table or whatever and you'd have. all these guys that look like, you know, they're NFL Hell's Angels and I look. like this, which, you know, is. intimidating nonetheless, but [laughter]. I could get away with it. I could sell. that, but they couldn't. She's like, "Well, so you work for the State. Department, but what is it that you. actually do, right?" Right. I'm like,

"You're not a janitor, obviously." I'm. like, "Ah, you know, we we we train. assistant advise or something." And then. after a while, um, you know, getting to. know her, you know, 6 months or however. long we'd known each other, we were. driving down the road and I was like, "I. actually work for the CIA." And she's. like, "I know. [laughter] What are you, [ __ ] idiot?" I'm like, "Yeah, that's. fair." Yeah. like [laughter]. and uh and it's and it's funny because. even now today, right, it's like a lot. of my friends will come by that I.

haven't seen for years and uh and she. always has the same kind of like eye. roll. It's like, okay, you guys are. going to be up till like 2 in the. morning like drinking at the kitchen. table talking [ __ ] about everybody that. used to work with. [laughter]. Yeah, that's right. It's like and it's. so dramatic, right? It's like it's such. a sewing circle at times with people and. it's all the same people are the same. regardless of your profession. It's like. >> Uhhuh. >> they're always talking [ __ ] and that.

guy's a good dude, that guy's not. >> It's so fascinating to me like uh James. O'Keeffe stuff. >> like how much they bust people that talk. about things they should never talk. about with people they're just on a date. with. >> Yeah. >> Like not even like your wife of 10. years. No, no, no, no, no. Some lady or. some guy. It's a lot of it is chatty gay. guys. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> A lot of it is gay guys. Like, I'll tell. you how we do it. [laughter]. >> And they're on a date with some guy and. they're trying to impress him and they. start telling about what secret covert.

things they're doing. That's totally. illegal. And they do it all the time. >> Oh, it's got it happens all the time in. DC. And it doesn't really matter what what. party or wherever you go. You always. have the guy. And it's so funny because. I would go to, you know, whatever party. X and depending on the venue, it might. be like State Department and FBI or. whomever and you can always tell who. works for whom and it's always like. you're they're always trying to out.

jockey each other for who works for the. better government service. And I used to. always tell people I was a I was a. janitor so they would leave me alone and. uh I'm a janitor at North Grumman. Like. why are you here? Like kind of a thing. I'm like ah that's what I do. It's, you. know, it's my passion. I love them [ __ ]. [ __ ] stripes and toilets, man. I got to. wipe them out. And but then the the all. the other guys were like jockeying for. like FBI or State Department or wherever. they're going. And then it's always the. guys like, I can't tell you who I work.

for. And you're like, oh. Then you just. sit back and listen. You're like, let me. hear where this guy's going. This is. going to be a fun one. You know, you're. like, holy [ __ ]. >> Get a couple of drinks at him. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And it's just full of [ __ ] You're just. like, oh, so full of [ __ ] Well, that's. the thing about important people that. have achieved a high level of success. Everybody wants to pretend they're that. >> Yeah. >> There's a lot of people that want to. pretend they're that person because it's. so hard to become that person, but it's. you can convince a lot of people that. don't know any better that you are. That.

was a big thing with martial arts. Big. thing with martial arts. It was a in. especially in the 80s. So, in the 80s. when I first started, no one knew. anything. It wasn't like today. Today, if you get in a street fight, if you're. a high school kid and you get in a. street fight with another high school. kid, there's a high likelihood that that. kid knows how to leg kick. He might know. a a blast double. He might know an arm. triangle. You might get [ __ ] up. Like, they might know how to fight back then. No one knew how to fight. It was very.

rare. There's like one kid who knew how. to box. It was always the wrestling. team, which were the most dangerous. people. >> Those guys were the worst. Those guys. were the They're the hardest. [ __ ] in the school always. And. I didn't even realize that until I. started wrestling. I was like, I'm. amongst these [ __ ] elite killers and. they're just walking around with. everybody like they're normal. And you. realize the level of commitment and. dedication involved in being an elite. high school wrestler, just a high school. wrestler. It's [ __ ] off the charts. These kids were going to camps uh all.

through the summer. They would get sent. off to wrestling camp. They were. training year round. And I just hopped. in my sophomore year. I I did one season. of wrestling and I was like, "This is. crazy." Like the level I I had no idea. I was hanging around with these people. I thought they were normal people. They're like kids that were like little. soldiers. Like all of them thickneck. little [ __ ] soldiers. And you realize. like wow. It like opened my eyes like. Jesus there's these people around. And. they were never even considered martial.

artists until the UFC. Nobody really. understood, unless they actually did. wrestling, how helpless the average. person is with an elite wrestler. You. have no chance. Like Z, it's not like, oh, maybe you'll be able to hit him. before he takes you down. Nope. No. chance. He's going to shoot on you. He's. going to [ __ ] You have no chance. You. have zero chance. But there was always a. bunch of guys who were pretending they. were martial arts experts. It was all, it was a really common thing. And then. you would talk to them like, "Where do. you train? Where do you what do you do?".

And it was always some guy who like. learned some m there was one guy this. guy actually w up getting arrested uh. for murder and he's in jail right now. Yeah. He had uh lied to everybody and. told them that he was a Brazilian. jiu-jitsu black belt and uh he was even. teaching people and he knew almost. nothing. And it, this is like in the. early early 2000s, I guess, like the. late 90s, early 2000s, and it was just. starting to catch on, like people were. just starting to understand the depth of.

martial arts because of the UFC, but it. hadn't really gone mainstream till about. 2005. >> And this guy uh was telling everybody he. was a Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. And then Eddie Bravo trained with him. And Eddie came back to me. He's like, "Man, something's wrong." He goes like, "This guy is terrible. He doesn't know. shit." And and he's like and I was like. really? He goes, "Yeah, I think he's a. fake. I think he's a fraud." And he. wound up con confronting this guy. And. then the guy wound up uh he was banging.

some guy's wife and wound up luring the. guy back to his karate school and. killing him. >> What? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he went to jail and uh he's in jail. right now, but he had a fake name. His. name was Raphael Tori. That was his fake. name, but his real name was like Ralph. something or another. And uh he's in. jail right now for murder. >> That's a but that's a super funny. character, right? Not that guy, but a. fake black, >> but a fake martial artist. What was. that? There there's a there was a movie. years ago uh where it's like one foot.

way the way of one foot or something. You ever watch that? Yeah. With Danny. McBride. And it was [ __ ] hilarious, man. And it's like that guy that that. like character that strip mall, you. know, martial artist is just a piece of. [ __ ] Yeah, there's a guy on Instagram. that documents [clears throat] all these. guys. It's MC Dojo Life on Instagram. It's a [ __ ] great page because it's. all people doing [ __ ] fake martial. arts like death touch. Like people that. can like touch your forehead and you. like go limp and fall to the ground and.

you get all their their students become. like brainwashed and they go along with. this whole facade. It's really weird. They they're in on the charade. It's. very strange. >> Super weird. It's very cultish. Mhm. Like. >> martial arts are very cultish, especially traditional martial arts, like your instructor is always sir. You're always bowing to them. There's. always a lot of weirdness inside. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And in like traditional. taekwond do, you always would refer to. your instructors as mister. It was Mr. I.

hated it. I was like just you don't have. >> How many years did you do that? >> Oh, like hardcore for seven years. >> Yeah. Hardcore. >> And then you switched over to jiu-jitsu. Yeah, I switched over to jiu-jitsu a few. years later. I stopped fighting when I. was 22 and then I was a real I was like. doing comedy. I started doing comedy at. 21 and I kind of halfassed still trained. and fought a few times while I was also. doing comedy but I didn't have the. commitment that I had before. I I'd had.

a series of events that led me out of. like wanting to compete and uh one of. them was recognizing brain damage, recognizing it in other people, recognizing it in friends, and then. laying in bed with headaches after. sparring sessions going, "Okay, where. does this lead? And I don't I'm not even. making any money off of this." And then. there was a guy that I hurt really bad. in a tournament. I knocked this one guy. out when I was 19 in California. I was. competing in the nationals and I KO'ed.

this guy and he never got up. They they. had to take him on a stretcher and he. was on a stretcher for a half an hour. and then they took him to the hospital. and it freaked me out because I was like. that could have easily been me. It it. easily could have been me and um that. one bothered me cuz I like what am I. doing? Like why am I doing this? Like. I'm I'm trying to win, you know, the. national championships. I'm trying to be. uh in the Olympics. I'm trying to do. these things. But I'm like okay where. does that lead me to teaching? Do I. really want to? I was already teaching. at the time, but I really want to teach. for a living forever. I'm like, I don't.

think I do. There's not, >> you know, and then re recognizing that. the martial art that I had picked, taekwond do, had a lot of flaws in it. It was really good for kicking, but um. it wasn't the best overall martial art. And when I started kickboxing, I really. realized that. And then I started. getting into Muay Thai and I realized. the power of leg kicks and the the what. the devastating impact it has on your. mobility. and like one or two leg kicks. and you're so compromised. I was like, "Oh, this is there's so many levels to. this." So, I was like kind of halfassing.

martial arts like the last year. Not not. nearly as committed. Like, I was all in. all throughout my high school years. All. in until I was 21 and then from 21 to 22. kind of halfass it and then I didn't. start doing jiu-jitsu till years later. >> So, what what's going on at like 21 22. and you like what are you thinking? Do. you remember what you're thinking? like. like I'm I'm going to be an actor. I'm. going to be a comic. What What are you. thinking? >> I didn't think I was going to be a comic.

until I did an open mic night when I was. 21. I And then even then I was like, "This is just something that I I think I. can do." But when when I would bomb, I'd. be like, "Fuck, I should go back to. fighting. I just got to get a get a. few." And then you know what happened? I. tore my ACL. And when I tore my ACL, I. had to have surgery and I couldn't do. anything for like six months. And then I. realized like uh like my body's. vulnerable like you're you're you're. counting on your tissue staying in. intact in order to like live this life.

that you want to live. So I had to get. my knee reconstructed and I was like, "All right.". >> So that was the first knee knee. reconstruction. >> Yeah. Was back then. >> Yeah. I was 22, I think, when I blew it. out. 21 somewhere around then. It was. like right around the time when I was. like thinking about stopping competing. It's like my, you know, like the. universe is like, "Let me help you, >> right? >> Let me [ __ ] your knee up real quick.". So, I had to get that fixed. And that. takes a little while before it it gets. back to normal again.

>> But, uh, the comedy became a thing where. I was like, "This is very exciting and. really difficult to do and so different. than anything else I was doing." Well, you have to get the people to like you. Like, it's dependent upon like. personality. And. >> whereas with martial arts, I wanted them. to not like me. I loved it. I did I. didn't have any problem like no one's. gonna save you. Doesn't matter if these. people hate me and if you're looking at. me and there's just you and me and a. referee. I liked it. I like that this. person had like a bunch of like one of. my favorite things was like hearing. cheers stop like when people were.

cheering like get him [ __ ] yeah kick his. ass, kick his ass then wump and then the. guy would collapse and then you hear. silence. You just hear silence, especially if you. go to where they live, right? Like if. you had to go to Ohio and fight in Ohio, I just love that silence. It was this. final moment. And my thing was I would. always walk away like it was normal. I. would never celebrate. I would just walk. away like that was I do this every day. I'm going to do this to the next guy,

too. This is what I'm going to do to. you. And I would I would always take. naps, too. That was the other thing I. did when everybody was freaking out. before fighting, before sparring. I. would go to sleep in front of everybody. I just put a hoodie on and just lie down. on the ground and go to sleep. >> Is that like a Were you trying to [ __ ]. with them a little bit? >> It was a little bit of [ __ ] with. them. It was a little bit of I'm I'm so. relaxed that I'm going to take a nap. here while you're freaking out. >> But it was also I wanted to do it for my. own mind. I wanted to just like be I. want I was so in my own head. I was just.

it was I was so in my own like what I'm. going to do. I wasn't thinking about all. these other external things until that. one knockout. That's when I really. started thinking about what could happen. to me because I had gotten really lucky. where I never really got hurt in a. tournament. Never never got dropped, never got knocked out, never got never. got really rocked, but I did it to a lot. of people. And then I was like, this is. coming around. Like it's only a matter. of time before I get wamped. It's just.

it happens. It's just going to happen. I'm gonna fight some national champion. guy and I'm gonna zigg when I should. have zagged and I'm gonna catch a heel. to my [ __ ] jaw. >> and that's gonna be a wrap. I'm gonna be. waking up in the hospital. That's. interesting that you had that thought. early on to where you're like, "Ah, >> well, I started seeing brain damage in. in other people, specifically when I. started kickboxing because I was. training at boxing gyms and I started. seeing guys who were [ __ ] there's.

like a slurry aspect to the way they. talked. There was a labored thing to. their speech. There was something about. them and then I would see it degrade. over time, >> you know, like I really started getting. involved in sparring and and boxing when. I was about 19. And that was also around. the time where I started losing my. enthusiasm for taekwond do because I. just realized it the no punching to the. face thing in tournaments was so. limited. It really it it [ __ ] you up. because it gave you this illusion that.

you could pull things off. >> where all the guy would have to do is. jab you in the face. you're like, "Oh, okay." Like, at this distance, you can't. do the thing that you normally do in a. taekwond do tournament. You have to be. much more aware defensively. So, I had. to recalibrate my offense and my. tactics. >> And so, then I just I started doing a. lot of boxing and a lot of kickboxing. And I saw so much brain damage. I saw so. much like unreported brain damage. Just. weird stuff. Guys would tell you the. same story. They just told you like five.

minutes ago, they tell it to you again. because and I was realizing, oh, these. guys can't remember that they just said. this thing five minutes ago. It was like. they were stoned, you know, and they. weren't, you know, they they were just. starting to exhibit the beginning signs. of brain damage. >> So, when you're when you're making those. decisions early on, like you're. controlling like being able to control. your emotions, right? So your anxiety.

and being able to like put yourself into. the right mental framework to go out and. perform. So regardless. So you're. >> competing in taekwond do you're going. out you're actually performing on like. open mics. Is that what you're doing at. the time or you just like. >> Yeah. When I was 21 once I was 21 I. started doing open mics. Yeah. >> And so being able to control your. emotions because you got to be freaking. out a little bit. >> Yeah. Well the first time the first time. I went on stage I was more scared than I. had ever been fighting which I thought. was crazy. So, I started fighting before.

I could really be scared. I started. fighting when I was 15. That was like. the first fights that I had. So, you. were scared, but you didn't you were so. stupid. You didn't know what could. happen to you. And I was really lucky. that I had a really good school. The. school that I trained at was super. technical. That was uh the guy who I. trained under this guy Jay Hun Kim. He. trained with uh General Chay Yang Yi who. was like the founder of Taekwondo. M. And so it was like the technique was.

perfect. Like you had to have perfect. technique. Like if you did anything. sloppy or anything like kind of they. would correct you like you had to have. it down. And they emphasized a lot of. heavy bag training which a lot of. schools didn't even have a heavy bag. which I thought was crazy. Like we would. go and do these um these things where. we'd have uh our team would go and train. with another team. like we would travel. to New York and there was like another. an instructor that was friends with our. instructor and they would bring the.

competition teams to compete against. each other and we'd fight in in a gym. So it was like these unsanctioned fights. that you would have. >> and you know you'd find people that were. roughly your weight and these guys. didn't have heavy bags and you'd go to. their gym. They have like a you know. strip mall type gym and there was in. their dojang they didn't have a heavy. bag. I was like this is crazy you guys. don't train with heavy bags and it. didn't make any sense to me. They had. kicking paddles and a bunch of different. things, but they didn't have anything. that would improve thrusting techniques. and stabbing techniques, which is like.

you need resistance. You need a heavy. bag. And so our instructor was adamant. about like if you can't hurt somebody. badly with one kick, you're you're doing. the wrong thing. You these techniques. were originally designed for war, right? >> And you're you're supposed to be able to. have devastating power in everything you. throw. that got lost a little when. Taekwond do got into the Olympics or. when it was on the path to getting into. the Olympics and it became more of like. point scoring. They would try to hit you.

and run away. Hit you and run away and. it was a lot of like fastm moving. techniques that didn't have the same. sort of devastating impact. So where I. got real lucky in where I trained is. that they really emphasized power. And. so the school that I was at was very. feared because a lot of the other black. belts were like the guys that I trained. with were [ __ ] really dangerous. Like. they were they were known for when they. would go to a tournament, people would. get scared because if these guys hit. you, you're in trouble. Like these were.

dangerous cats, you know, that were like. just wheel kicking people into another. dimension, turning side, kicking people. and crushing rib cages. It was a lot of. that. And so I got real lucky that. that's the gym that I started in that I. started with like you know you imitate. your atmosphere you know I was. >> the first guy that I ever saw hit a bag. was this guy John Lee and when I saw him. he was the national uh taekwondo light. heavyweight champion and he was. competing he was training to compete in.

the World Games. M. >> So, he was about to go to uh I guess it. was the World Cup and he was in full. training mode like the moment I walked. into the gym and I watched him fold this. heavy bag and as I was going up the. stairs I could hear the sound of it. This is I was just visiting this gym. I. was leaving a baseball game at Fenway. Park and uh me and my friend just walked. up the stairs just because we didn't. want to wait for the tea. It took so. long for so many people leaving the. baseball game. There's going to be big. lines. It was going to be packed. So, let's just walk up here and see what's. going on. And as we were walking up the.

stairs, I heard this sound that I'll. never forget. It was like wump kaching. wump kaching. And the kaching was the. chains of the heavy bag cuz this 120lb. bag was flying through the air when this. guy would hit it. And the the the chains. were going and rattling. And then it. would come down. He would set it up. again. And he was 7 10 feet from me. like there was this like little ledge. where you could sit and watch people and. they had set it up like that. So the.

heavy bag was set up right where people. would walk in because it was a great. recruitment tool because you would. really get to see what people are. capable of. >> And the moment I saw that I was like. >> I want to know how to do that like how. do you do that? Like he was doing. spinning back kicks over and over again. turning sidekicks and just folding this. [ __ ] bag in half. That's crazy that a. person could gen I didn't think a person. could generate that kind of force and uh. I trained with him a lot and I learned. from him a lot. He taught me a lot and.

he was an interesting guy too because he. was like a real street guy like he been. in and out of jail wound up having a. substance problem but it was this funny. dude from Chelsea which was like a real. hard dangerous neighborhood in Boston. >> and just a [ __ ] killer man. a killer. Just a killer. And when he would when he. would compete, people would get so. nervous. It was crazy to watch because I. started see I started training with him.

and going to tournaments with him when I. was a white belt. So I was a white belt. and he was a black belt national. champion. And when John Lee would show. up, you see people whispering like, "Fuck, John Lee's here.". >> You would see guys take these deep. breaths cuz [laughter] they knew he was. in their weight class like [ __ ] [ __ ] cuz. they knew this guy wasn't trying to win. on points. He was trying to break your. body. He was trying to just crush your. organs. He was trying to separate your. [ __ ] brain from the inside of its. skull. He was trying to hurt you. And he.

did it to a lot of people. I watched him. knock out a lot of people. A lot of. people. It was wild to see. So like, you. know, but it was to me it was just like. this new thing that was going to change. who I am. you know, I I went for the. first time in my life, I felt like I. wasn't a loser because I was like really. good at this thing that was scary, you. know, and I just threw myself into it. It was my whole life. I didn't do. anything. I didn't party. I didn't go to.

I didn't I had very few friends outside. of high school, you know. I was it was. my whole thing was just training. I'd. get home from school, get something to. eat, immediately leave, hop on the. train, head into town every day. >> That was like 15. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's. >> Yeah. from like the summer of my. freshman year of high school. >> That's when I fart first started. Right. Right. Like when I graduated from high. school and my freshman year I started. training and it was nuts. It was just. like this complete new life. It was so.

weird. And then competing like traveling. around competing first is like a white. belt then a blue belt then wicker my way. up purple belt and then all a sudden in. tuck window red belt is brown belt right. >> and then black belt and then my. instructor was crazy. He would let me. compete as a black belt before I was a. black belt. He let me compete in the. men's division when I was 16. >> Yeah. It was nuts. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> Yeah. It was just they if they thought.

you had potential, they just throw you. right into the flames like let's see, see what you could do. >> So the confidence it gives you, right? It's like finding something that you're. good at. >> Yeah. All of a sudden I real well all of. a sudden I got obsessed with something. >> where I'd never had really worked hard. at anything in my life. And then I had. abs. I was like this is crazy. Like I. look at myself in the mirror, I had abs. all of a sudden I had muscles. everywhere. I was like, "This is nut.". Cuz you're going through puberty, right? At the So, so you're this doughy little. [ __ ] kid. This scrawny doughy little.

kid that never did any sports other than. baseball and then all of a sudden I'm. shredded and I I know how to [ __ ] people. up and then I was doing it to like live. humans. >> all over the country like traveling. everywhere. We traveled. That's all we. did. We just traveled. >> So, how does that go from how do you go. from there though? Like like. why or how did you go I'm going to go do. standup? Like what was the what was. that? >> It was really my friends. It was really. Yeah. My friend Steve Graham. >> who I'm still friends with to this day.

He was a real maniac. He was on the US. ski team. He was uh he was a uh a flight. pilot with the Navy. Uh or not a flight. pilot, a flight surgeon with the Navy. He was an opthalmologist. Like insanely. hardworking guy, like unbelievably. disciplined. And um he w he got into. taekwond do while he was a doctor, you. know, while he was an opthalmologist. He's a maniac to this day. This dude's. had like he's still a good friend. He's. had like 70 [ __ ] surgeries. He's had. his knees replaced, still trained, still.

spars. Yeah. Yeah. He's like in his 60s. now. He's a [ __ ] nut. >> And so he's like, "Hey, you're funny. You should go do this.". >> We would go to tournaments and when we. would go to tournaments or when we have. sparring days in particular, everybody. was super nervous. It was d very. dangerous. And um so I would be the one. who would break the ice. I would be the. one who would make fun of everybody and. do impressions of everybody and I was I. always was cracking everybody up and it. was a captive audience, you know, and. and everyone was looking for like relief.

from the fact that there was this tent. like we would be on a bus headed to like. Pikipsy, New York to go compete in a. tournament and I would be the one on the. bus like making fun of everything, just. cracking everybody up. >> And my friend Steve said, "You should be. a standup. You should try it. you just. try it. And I'm like, look, you think. I'm funny because you like me. I go, other people are going to think I'm an. [ __ ] Like, my sense of humor was. very dark. [laughter] It's like, it was. very crazy back then cuz I was living a. crazy life. >> and [snorts] then um did an open mic.

night and then I said, I think I might. be able to do this. >> Did you bomb straight away? >> I didn't do well. I got a couple of. laughs like haha. It wasn't good, but. everybody sucks. Do you remember any any. of the jokes that you that you rolled. out? >> Here's my impression of a good-looking. girl getting pulled over by the cops. Do. you realize how fast you were going? No. Do you like my tits? >> Yes, I do. Here's a warning. It was. terrible. It was so [laughter] bad. It. was so bad. I had so many bad jokes. Um,

but I also realized like everybody sucks. in the beginning and then I thought back. to martial arts. I go, "Oh, this is like. everything, >> right?". >> Like if you start off, you suck. like. everything and the whole thing is like. getting better at this thing you suck at. which is like I had this guy uh Tommy. Woods, Dr. Tommy Woods, we were talking. about new things about the the value in. terms of like people that acquire. dementia and one of the best ways to. like to keep your brain fresh is do new. things. Do things that you're not good. at and learn how to do them and get.

better at it. And I think I had sort of. just applied what I had learned from. martial arts because obviously I wasn't. good at martial arts when I started. I. was terrible. Everybody's terrible. you. don't know what you're doing and then. you you realize like, oh, through. repetitive effort, concentration, focus, discipline, you're going to get better. It's a path. >> And so I was like, oh, this is a new. thing, but it's also a new thing filled. with other misfits cuz I was a misfit, right? And like, oh, these comedians are. misfits, too. They didn't have regular. rules. They always wanted to smoke pot.

and drink beer and, you know, they. stayed up late and they slept late and. they they were just maniacs. I was like, "Okay, I could hang out with these. people." Like, regular people that. wanted a regular job scare the [ __ ] out. of me cuz I don't want to get sucked. into your drone like frequency. >> I I can't live. I' I tried regular jobs. Like, this is not going to work for me. >> I'm too add HD, whatever the [ __ ] it is, whatever it is, I got it. I'm like, I. can't do this. >> But those people were misfits. There. were these weird reneg and occasionally.

professionals would go up and you'd. realize like wow this guy's a master. like the mastery he has of like concepts. and jokes and tricking you into thinking. one thing and then he hits you with. another thing and like god and the. smoothness of it all it just became an. obsession. Do you remember the guy the. like. >> there's this one guy Teddy Berseron. there's this guy who had been on the. Tonight Show and he unfortunately. developed a substance problem which uh a. lot of people do and I think some of it.

is just the pressure of standup and the. pressure of fame and the pressure of. >> constantly performing and and then it's. just also like just living that dirt. life where you're just like you could do. whatever you want it doesn't matter do. Coke you know and they're just doing. Coke and like there was clubs that would. pay you in Coke. What? >> Yeah. They would Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nick's Comedy Stop would offer you. cocaine or cash in the 1980s. >> Yeah. >> I I can see that. I can see how I could. see how this this thing becomes super.

addicting and this is like your dirt bag. life, right? It's the It's that same. parallel we're talking about where it's. like this becomes the rock that you're. climbing every day. >> because this is the audience that you. have to entertain. it becomes about. getting better, honing a craft, like and. ultimately succeeding with the crowd. right in front of you and they're giving. you the feedback. Like that's very. similar like you're either getting. higher on the rock or you're falling. off. >> And the falling off was important. because the bombings would really teach.

you you didn't want that. So what was it. about the bomb? Like what did you how. did you bomb? What did you do wrong? What what went wrong? What's wrong with. your material? What's wrong? Like are. you being lazy in the way you're setting. things up? like what are you doing. wrong? And then figuring it out because. that pain of bombing was so like. sometimes it's bad to do well a bunch of. times because you need to get relaxed. like you can't be relaxed like you have. to like constantly grinding at it. You. have to constantly be taking that. [ __ ] thing apart and trying to figure. out what how to make it better.

>> The guys like um like Andy Kaufman, right, that would go out and they had a. whole stick and nobody understood what. the [ __ ] they were doing. >> That's a thing but it's a different. thing. wild. Like it's wild cuz it's. almost an intentional. >> you're bombing intentionally, but it's. funny. You're you got to like stretch it. out a little bit to understand what. what's going on. And it's a different. individual psychology. >> It's a different thing. He's doing a. different thing. My criticism of that, and I don't really have a criticism,

maybe that's the wrong word because I. think Kaufman was brilliant. He was. brilliant on Taxi. He was an interesting. character. The [ __ ] he did with pro. wrestling was just bananas. was. wrestling women. [ __ ] maniac. [laughter]. Great. >> It was so great. >> But he never was a great comic, >> right? Like see if if Shane Gillis. >> decided to go that path and just bomb on. purpose, that would be almost more. interesting, right? Like here's a guy. who knows.

>> how to kill. He's a real comic. One of. the funniest guys ever. Yeah. And then. he starts saying do playing the theme to. Mighty Mouse and just repeating here I. come to save the day. Like this is what. Andy Coffin did. He would play have a. record player and just play the Mighty. Mouse theme song and just repeat here I. come to save the day. And everybody's. like what the [ __ ] is going on? Like it. was like this weird mind [ __ ] that he. was doing with everybody. But he never. did the other thing, >> right? >> He never like really entertained and.

killed. Like all the evidence of Andy. Kaufman is of him doing this weird. stuff, which again it's not really a. criticism, right? >> But he was doing a different thing. He. was an odd guy. >> who saw this thing and he was like, I. think I [snorts] can get in there and do. something completely disruptive, >> right? >> I can see that. Like it's it's very. distinctly different. >> Nothing wrong with it. I loved it. I. love especially the wrestling stuff, but. it's not my favorite. Like if I had a if. someone told me Andy Kaufman's. performing in this room over here,

>> but David is in that room over there. I'm going to see David Tell. I want to. go see the master. Yeah. I'm going to. laugh and I'm going to see a guy at the. top of his craft. >> that's doing this hypnosis on everybody. and and you're just leave there your. size hurt and you're dying. You don't. leave there going, "What the [ __ ] was. that?" Like, but he wanted people to. leave there and go, "What the [ __ ] was. that?" Like that was the magic of Andy. Kaufman. But it's just not my, you know, like I don't like jazz, you. >> know. I don't want to go see J. >> It's hard to like,

it's kind of cool background music, but. I'm not leaving the house. >> to go see J. But I know people who. [ __ ] love it. >> Like, [snorts]. >> so if you think back to Taxi, like I was. thinking about this the other day with. like Danny DeVito and Taxi. Like that. guy's still going. >> It's incredible, man. Like. >> I was and it just like a snippet of Taxi. came up and I was like, "Holy [ __ ] how. old is Danny DeVito? 50,000 years old. >> It's like. >> Tony Danz has long since retired. >> Holy [ __ ] Like that guy just keeps.

going and he looked old and taxi. >> Is Jud Hurst still alive? >> I don't know. That's a good question. I. don't know. Like. >> that was a great show. >> It was a great show. >> That was a great show. >> He's 90. >> He's 90. >> Yep. >> Is Mary Mary Liu Henner was Taxi, too, right? Wasn't she on Taxi? [snorts]. >> Mary Lu Henner, you know, she has that. crazy mind thing where she remembers. everything. Seriously, >> everything you can give her a a date and. she could tell you like 1973, you know,

February 2nd, she'll tell you what day. it was. >> She can tell you what happened on that. day. She can tell you news things. She. can tell you what she was doing that. day. She She has like not just a. photographic member memory, but a. complete recall of all events and dates. I forget what the term is. >> Superior autobiographical memory. ability. >> Oh my gosh. >> Yeah. can remember almost every day of. her life since she was 11. >> Isn't that nuts? >> That's amazing. >> And she's got to be 70 years old, right? >> 73, I think, is what I.

>> 73. >> Yeah. >> She remembers everything. >> The funny thing is is Dvito is still. funny. Like like he's still funny. Like. I mean like the the way that it. >> he lands jokes. I mean Always Sunny. >> How many seasons is that? Like 20 now? I. don't know. But I mean [ __ ]. >> like things has he done? >> I don't know. Taxi to always taxi was. when I was a boy. >> Yeah. >> To Always Sunny. >> That was the thing my dad used to watch. >> Yeah. >> And like my dad seems old. My dad's 80.

years old, right? My dad used to watch. that. >> How old Danny Dvito? >> 81. >> 81. Still banging it out. >> Still [ __ ] killing it, man. >> Still funny. Yeah. >> I mean, how old's I I'm not trying to. equate Ron White to Danny, but I'm. saying like how old's Ron because he's. still killing it. >> 70. >> Yeah. Ron's 70. Yeah. Like I was. watching him the other night and you. know he flew back from where he was and. he just like came in and and stood up. there and did a set like it just kind of. like walked in almost. It felt like he. was just like I'm here. I'm just going. to stop in and do this.

>> and then he [ __ ] killed seamlessly. just it was perfect. >> He as good as he's better I think than. he's ever been right now. I I've never. like like watching somebody that's great. and then watching somebody that's in. another dimension like him specifically. cuz he's perfect. Like it's just it's. absolutely perfect cuz it comes off it's. unforced. It's a conversation like he's. just having a conversation with the. crowd. >> Yeah. Like it's so incredible to watch.

somebody that can be perfect in their. delivery but then be completely. unassuming in the way that they're. delivering it. Like. >> like it's just a natural conversation. Like I had it casual. >> Yeah. It's completely casual. You don't. even feel like you're in. >> like you're you're watching a stand-up. comedian. You feel like you're watching. somebody talk and you know that it's. coming. you think that it's coming and. you he still [ __ ] delivers it with.

just a level of exceptionalism. You're. like, "Fuck, man." Like, the guy's. incredible. >> He I think it's one of those things. where you keep working at it, you just. keep getting better. And also, he. stopped drinking. >> So, he stopped drinking a couple years. ago, and that changed everything. He got. lost a ton of weight, got way more. focused, but you know, he had been going. hard for decades, and his doctor had a. pull sign go, "Hey, man, you're going to. die." Are all those guys still still. like all the blueco collar comedy tour.

guys? Are they still are they still all. doing it? >> Foxworthy still does stand up. I think. he did stand up recently with Ron. He'll. but I don't think he tours a lot. >> I don't know about Larry the cable guy. I don't hear about him anymore, >> right? >> I don't hear about the other guy, Bill. Ingval. You don't hear much about him. anymore. I think out of all them, Ron is. the guy who's still But out of all them, it was like Jeff Fox is a great comic. And then, you know, I think in my. opinion, Ron was the best. Ron's just a. master. And but also Ron is he loves it,

man. Like, he was there last night. He's. he performs all the time. He's always. down. He's he always like I always get. text messages from him when I have. shows. He wants to come into a set. It's. like he he lives for it, man. He's. constantly writing. He's constantly. working on it. Like that's his thing, man. He he [ __ ] enjoys the [ __ ] out of. it. still tours, still does the road, does better than ever, sells out. everywhere. And you're getting the best. show out of Ron that you've ever gotten. out of him. He's. >> he's better now, I think, than he's ever.

been. I really believe that. And it's. crazy that at 70, he's still getting. better. His material just keeps getting. better and it's always working at it. He's always working at it, you know. >> Yeah. That that the whole thing about LA. or whatever he did, he just it it it. sounded like he pulled that out of his. ass. >> on stage. He was just telling a story. about being on a flight and you're like, "Holy shit." He's just telling me a. story. >> He was in the back room of the comedy. store one night with there's a back bar. and we were hanging out and uh we were.

drinking. This is back in Ron's drinking. days and we're having a couple glasses. of whiskey. And then uh Ron starts. telling the story about how when he was. uh stationed in Hawaii, he goes, "There's this place you can go and you. know it's a bunch of hookers. You get. your dick sucked for like 20 bucks, man. I was there every [ __ ] day." And he. goes, "Then all these years later, I was. watching the news story and all these. transvestite hookers were getting. rounded up in the very area where I used.

to go every day." And I realized, "Oh my. god, I got my dick sucked about a. hundred times by men." And he was. telling this this [ __ ] hilarious bit. He It wasn't a bit, he was just telling. us this story. We were dying. I go, "Do. have you ever said this on stage?" He. goes, "No. [ __ ] no. I go, "You. [laughter] should tell that on stage." I. go, "Ron, that's hilarious." I go, "This. we were dying laughing." I mean, it was. like it was a bit, but it. [clears throat] was just him telling a. story just and no intention of ever. saying.

>> Yeah. >> We're in the back room. He goes from the. back room onto the stage in the O, the. original room. He walks down the. hallway. I go with him. He goes on. stage. He goes, "Let me tell you a story. about how I got my dick suck about 100. times [laughter] by men. He just he just goes into the story. It. [ __ ] murders. murders like like it had been a polished. bit that he had been working on for. years. >> It was just a story. But Ron is a a.

great storyteller. Like a natural. storyteller. Like if he's not trying to. be funny, he's funny. Yeah. >> He's he doesn't have to like think about. it. It's like it's a He's just got this. personality, man. He just He's just. cool. >> Yeah. Yeah, he's like that that um. iconic western almost a western. storyteller like the guy that you would. expect sitting at the campfire at. hunting camp. >> It's like the old, >> you know, guide that's been around the. hundred years like he's killed thousands.

of animals. He's packed [ __ ] out and. then he's got these stories that you. can't help but listen to. >> Yeah. >> And that's what he reminds me of. I'm. like, man, this guy is so [ __ ]. perfect. And every time I see him, I'm. like, "Holy [ __ ] that's that's the guy. That's the guy.". >> He's an old master. >> Mhm. >> You know, it's uh there's not a lot of. humans like that guy. He's the main. reason why I was interested in moving to. Austin. He was the first reason cuz I.

knew Ron had already lived here. Ron was. already moved here. Ron moved here in. 2018. >> Okay. >> And so, uh, he just got tired of it. He. kept a place in Beverly Hills and would. come visit us at the comedy store. sometimes. But I was talking to him on. the phone. He's like, "Man, I [ __ ]. love it here." He goes, "There's no. Hollywood bullshit." He goes, "If I want. to fly somewhere to work, I'm in the. center of the country. It's easy to get. anywhere. People are nice. Food's. great." And he goes, "You just not. around H." And I kept thinking, man, could I live in Austin? Like I always. liked Austin and Onit was out here. So.

when I would come out here for work. every now and then. >> and I'd always come out here and love. doing stand up here. I was like like. that planted the first seed. And then. when the pandemic hit, Ron was already. here. And when I came out here to look. at houses and and stuff in this is in. May of 2020, so this is only a couple. months into the lockdown, but I had. already had enough. I was like, I'm. getting the [ __ ] out of here. Like I. knew these [ __ ] in LA were never. going to give up the kind of control and.

power that they had over people's lives. They get off on it, those [ __ ]. weirdos. And so I was like, well, at. least Ron will be there. Like, I'll hang. out with Ron. Like, even if I never do. standup again, at least Ron will be. here. And then, you know, Ron was also. the guy who convinced me that I have to. open up a club. I had had a thought in. my head and I was thinking about doing. it. We talked about doing it. And then. Ron went on stage for the first time in. like six months. It was in November of. 2020. And then he grabs me by my. shoulders when he got off stage because. he [ __ ] murdered. First of all, when.

you went on stage, they went crazy and. there's a giant standing ovation because. there was no indoor shows anywhere else. uh near there. It was like we were doing. it at the Vulcan. They had some shows. they were doing at Cap City before Cap. City went under, but they were like. separating everybody by like 20 feet or. some stupid [ __ ] like as if the virus. can't go through the air. It was dumb, right? Everything was dumb. >> But the Vulcan was just like. >> unhinged. It was packed. I was like, "This is so crazy. This is such a super. spreader party." And Ron went on stage.

and he had gone over his notes and. material and he wasn't even sure. He he. was thinking he was retired. He was. talking about retiring. I think I'm. retired. Did his one set and then he. grabs me by the shoulders. He goes, "Whatever the [ __ ] we have to do, we're. going to keep doing this." Just he goes, "You got to open up that club." I'm. like, "Okay, we're going to open up the. club." And then we started looking for. locations like right afterwards. So like. Ron was a a key force. He's the. godfather of the Austin comedy movement. Like where this put became like this big.

hub. It started with Ron 100%. >> Because I knew if he was here, if he was. here, at least I'd have my friend I. could go hang out, >> right? >> Because like even if I couldn't do. standup again, just I need someone who's. just a renegade. I need a a dude I can. hang out with that's just that's a real. comic that we're going to have fun. We. could just talk [ __ ] and laugh and. >> Well, who would you hang out with when. you were in LA? >> Him. him. >> him when he was there until 2018 always. But of course, Joey Diaz. >> Yeah. >> And you know when the pandemic hit, Joey.

moved to New Jersey. He's like, "Fuck. this place." And you know, he he was on. the same things as me. [ __ ] these. people. This is And he always wanted to. go back home to New Jersey, which was, you know, where he was from. >> And then uh Duncan moved to North. Carolina. Like everybody moved out, but. it was like Duncan. And I hung out with. Duncan, Sigura, Ari, uh, Bert, all these. people that were, you know, the main. stays at the Comedy Store. There was. just there was an amazing crew. Tony. Hinchcliffe, of course. >> Yeah. >> And Tony was one of the first guys to.

move out here too with me and then. Sigura moved out here and then everybody. moved out here. It just like this wave. started. >> Is there anybody that you're like that. you started with like back in the day? Like cuz you were what, Boston? >> Like was there anybody you started with. that you're still like. >> Yeah. Fit Simmons. Greg Fit Simmons. We're real tight. Greg Fitz. [clears throat] Simmons started one week. uh I think I started a week after him or. before him, something like that. But. we're separated by one week. >> Oh, seriously? >> Yeah. We did open mics together. >> We traveled around together. We did road.

We would drive 90 minutes to do five. minutes for free. >> Yeah. We would drive to Rhode Island to. do stand up for free. We traveled all. over the the all over New England. We. did road gigs together. Yeah. We came up. together. We had so much fun. We just we. had no money, no career, no even thought. of one day having a career. The the goal. was I want to be able to make a living. doing comedy because we knew that there. was guys in town that were headliners. that could, you know, grind out a h. 100red grand, 50 grand, whatever it is a.

year only doing comedy. They didn't have. to do anything else. I was like, that's. the dream. Imagine if you could pay your. bills with comedy, right? The idea of a. career was like, "No, we never even. talked about it because everybody in. Boston stayed in Boston. Nobody left.". And other than like Steven Wright and. Jay Leno, there's like a few people that. had kind of air quotes made it, you. know, during that time period and left. Boston, right? >> The goal in Boston was just to be a good. comic. was a real interesting thing.

because it was a real artist colony in. in a the most unpretentious of ways. because these guys were all coke. snorting. whiskey drinking psychopaths and a lot. of them were big guys like these big. [ __ ] football player looking dudes. who were just animals and they were just. wild men you know and they they had this. life that was so envious to me I was. like to be so free where all you have to. do is just tell jokes. You don't have to.

ever show up at the [ __ ] the. newspaper depot to deliver newspapers or. drive. I was driving limos and doing. construction gig. I didn't have to do. any of that. You could just do comedy. And that was me and Greg. We would just. drive around just thinking like one day, imagine being able to make a living. doing this. That was the the only goal. And then uh we both wind up event he. moved to New York for a bit and I lived. in New York for a while and then I moved. to LA and then he eventually moved to LA. as well and uh now he's still there.

He's still back in LA. >> Gosh, I can't imagine man. living there and staying there even for. even professionally. >> Did you see what they just did to the. guys that won the Super Bowl? Do you see. the jock tax? >> Yeah, >> Jamie, you see the jock tax? >> Yeah, it's not a new thing though. >> I understand. I understand, but the but. it is it's specific to California and. this jock tax in California. Um they. were some of the players ma lost money.

playing in the Super Bowl. [laughter]. They had to pay Oh, no. No, it is true. >> I don't think so. >> No, no, it is true. I I went it through. AI last night. [sighs]. >> I don't. >> No, it was in they they pulled it up on. Grock and people analyzed it and it's. based No, no, Jamie. >> It's B Jamie. It's based on the seven. days that they had to be there. So you. have to pay a fee based on the seven. days dependent upon what your salary is. >> They played a game. >> So it's a percentage though too.

>> Okay. >> Be this year. >> Okay. Whatever. Well, the Super Bowl. specifically. >> These guys Jamie's so funny. >> This is not I know, but this is one of. those things that's not real. >> What do you mean it's not real? I ran I. told you it was run through AI last. night. He made $178,000 for the Super. Bowl. He had to pay $249,000. in tax. I'm pretty sure those are the numbers. And it's based on the fact that he was. there for 7 days. So it's a percentage. of your income over the course of a.

year. So if he makes $2 million a year. and he's there for seven days, this is. how much money you have to pay. >> Gotcha. >> And so the Super Bowl pay is not it's. like on top of your normal salary, right? So, it actually cost him money to. play in the Super Bowl. So, he made. $178,000, but because he's there for seven days, he had to pay $20 and something. thousands. >> Did [snorts] you watch it? >> No. >> No. >> I was going to watch it just for Bad. Bunny just because everybody was so. pissed off. I thought it was hilarious.

>> that this guy's like like what do you. [ __ ] care? Like, it's like this weird. culture war that this guy is singing and. objectively people that saw it said it. was a great show. I don't know. I'll. take their word for it. >> Like uh somebody was telling me the. other day they're like, "Oh, you going. to watch the Super Bowl?" I'm like, "What? Super Bowl? Oh yeah. Yeah, that's. sports. Gotcha. Yeah. No, I was halfway. through it or whatever." I'm like, "I. have no idea what's going on, man. Like. I got other [ __ ]. >> If it's your team, I get it. It was the.

Patriots. I could I could root for the. Patriots, >> but it's like uh I'm busy. It's if it's on. >> like at the airport or something like. I'll watch it, but like I'm not going. out of my way. I'm not going to be like, "Hey, let's. >> if Aaron Rogers was playing, I' i'd. watch it." Maybe even go if Aaron was. playing. >> But it's like there's it's so hard to go. from combat sports to regular sports for. me. >> Oh god, >> it's so hard. It's so hard. The UFC last. Saturday was [ __ ] spectacular. And it.

was a small one in the Apex Center and. it was there were some incredible. fights. It was so good. It's like that. to me is like all I don't have a lot of. time for entertainment. >> That fills it all up. >> Yeah, that fight like I mean Saturday. was like. >> incredible. It was that was incredible. >> Yeah, the uh Mario Batista performance. was [ __ ] insane. He's so good. >> That guy just keeps getting better. He. looks like a world champion. And it's. like you watch combat sports and the the.

consequences are so grave what they're. doing the the dedication this moment you. train for months and months for this one. moment when this referee is like fighter. one you ready fighter two you let's go. and woo here we go. That to me is the. most exciting thing in all of sports. And it'll never stop being that to me. I. love it. So football's fun. I like it. I've been to some UT games. UT games are. [ __ ] great. They're fun. >> Well, this is like the state, right? I.

mean, this is like this is not only like. the the state pastime, but people are. like grown up. They're completely. modeled to go play Texas football. I. mean, this is like the the icon of. sports. Yeah. >> And it's just the enthusiasm for the. crowd is nuts. >> I got to shoot the cannon once in a. while. They let me shoot the cannon off. Yeah. >> What? [laughter]. It was pretty cool. It's fun being on. the on the field and seeing these guys. warm up and get ready and then watching. the game. Nighttime games are the best. They're nuts, man. And then of course.

they do the jet fly over. >> which is like America. You're flying. over fighter jets over a football game. [laughter]. >> That doesn't happen anywhere else. >> They don't do that anywhere else. They. never do that for a fight. Fly fighter. jets over. >> That'd be cool though. They would start. like maybe get it. Yeah, >> maybe they could do it at the sphere and. have like the roof of the sphere like. show the jets as they pass over. >> Maybe they'll do it at the White House. UFC, right? >> They probably will. >> I would imagine. >> Well, they're probably going to have air.

presence. I mean, how dangerous is that. card going to be? >> Oh my gosh. >> In terms of like if you wanted to have. some sort of a disruptive event, that's. the spot at the White House and you're. having cage fights. And I'm not even. convinced that it's going to happen. because with all the crazy [ __ ] going on. in the world, who knows what happens. between now and June, right? When this. is supposed to pop off, like, who knows? Who knows what goes down. >> between now? Who knows what [ __ ]. happens with all this Epstein file [ __ ]. It just keeps getting crazier and.

crazier and crazier and deeper and. deeper. And so, uh, Roana and Massie. just released the names of these guys. that had been redacted from the list. And one of them is Lex W. What is his. last name? >> Less. >> Less Wexner, right? Who's the CEO of uh. Victoria Secrets? Is he the CEO or the. owner? >> Former CEO. But former. >> both. >> Former owner CEO of Victoria Secrets. He's being named as a co-conspirator.

now. Yes. >> Yeah. So he's being named along with. Galain Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. He. because you know he runs this modeling. through Victoria Secrets hot girls the. whole deal. >> somehow or another he's involved in this. and they had redacted his name up until. now. >> right. >> I'm pretty sure yeah uh that I well two. things I don't think anybody. the his existence as a co-conspirator. isn't new information. >> but it's confirmed now right.

>> it was people I think are up in arms is. that it wasn't supposed to be blocked. out from the file he's uh not a victim. Right. He's not a victim, so why was his. name redacted? And so they got it. unredacted and now he's being named. >> I think he's the fun the funer of most. of it is what it seems. >> Right. So people knew that there was. something going on, but he had gifted. Jeffrey Epstein this insane house in. Manhattan. So this is like a $60 million house in. Manhattan. You know the house where you. go into it and you see Bill Clinton in a.

dress. You know that picture that we. have out in the lobby? That's from the. foyer of his house, >> right? >> That Jeffrey Epstein was gifted by Les. Wexner. >> By the way, Whitney Webb posted on her. Twitter. about Les Wexner being a sex trafficker, a child sex trafficker in 2020. See if you can find that.

>> Like that. That crazy chick is right. about everything. >> The one the lady was kidnapped or she. was claimed she was kidnapped. It was in. his house in New Albany where Columbus. like she was she claimed she was being. held there for I don't know two weeks or. something like doing art. She called her. dad to try to get out of there or. something like that. >> Oh Jesus. >> Yeah. And that's like his involvement is. in like brand new information. >> This was in Columbus, Ohio. >> Well, New Albany is where all the like. that's where his house is. the giant the. biggest house in Ohio. I think it's a.

suburb of Columbus. It'd be like West. Lake to Right. >> Right. Right. Right. >> People think he's still there. That's. where Epste's living, but that's not. accurate. >> Well, the people that think he's alive, I think they think he's in Israel, don't. they? >> Well, there's some definitely I think I. think they're AI photos. They might not. be. >> Oh, I saw that. Yeah. >> Yeah. That people think he's been seen. or spotted around town. >> Wouldn't you think he'd get some. surgery? >> You would think that he would have to. >> Yeah. Like he's probably one of the most. recognizable faces in the world at this.

point. Like after so much air time, >> you'd have to get some surgery. >> if you wanted to still I mean, how would. how would you keep that? This is the. tweet. >> Your reminder that Lesie Wexner financed. the mass rape and trafficking of. thousands of American children for over. a decade. And right now he is sitting in. a 26k square foot mansion in New Albany, Ohio, thinking that he is above the law. She tweeted this in April 28 of 2020.

>> How crazy is that? >> Holy [ __ ]. >> She's like the the most prolific of all. the conspiracy theories, the most well. read, the one with the most recall, the. one that's the most quoted. I don't know. how she's so good at it. But we're. trying to get her on. I don't know how. she's so good and what her background. is, how she finds all this information. and but she's always way ahead of all. this stuff. >> Yeah. I mean, 2020,

>> that's crazy. >> [ __ ] way ahead of everybody. >> Crazy. >> Yeah, >> bro. [clears throat] But but these. files, just what's come out so far, and. the fact that they redacted men, these. like powerful billionaire guys, their. names were redacted. Like there's one of. them where there's where he's talking. about pandemic planning. >> What? >> Where Jeffrey Epstein is talking about. pandemic planning to someone named Bill.

whose name is redacted. It's like, why are you redacting the. guy's name that you're talking about. planning for a pandemic? Like what to do. in response to a pandemic? Why is his. name retracted? >> So, >> or redacted, rather. >> When are when are when are they supposed. to testify? When are the Clintons. supposed to testify? Would you say. they're going to. >> two weeks? >> Yeah, I think it's the last two days. >> You say the aliens are coming in the. next two weeks. [laughter] I think they're going to land.

something's going to happen. >> just before that testifying. >> Yeah, it'll be we bomb Iran, aliens show. up maybe at the same time. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] man. >> Outside of this, because this I mean. obviously this conspiracy, it's not a. theory anymore, right? Because you're. they're connecting the networks. They're. like. >> exposing a lot of this. Like when you. look at your your total conspiracy. catalog of things that you like to dive. into outside of Aliens because everybody. knows that. What are your other ones. that you like?

>> Well, Aliens is the most fun one. >> Yeah. >> This is the one that I hate the most. >> cuz this one scares the [ __ ] out of me. because the fear of, you know, we talked. about this yesterday with Roger Avery. the fear of these like literally demonic. human beings that are running the world. and don't give a [ __ ] about human lives. and enjoy watching people being. tortured, enjoy watching people killed, participating in ritual sacrifice of. people and they do it in order to show. that you're a part of a team and you're.

we we know that that has always. historically been a real thing and it's. been something that you look at in. history, you go, "God, it's so sick. It's so twisted. It's so disgusting. And. everybody wants to think, "Thank God. that's not happening now." But then when. you realize like that might have been. happening now. >> Here's one of the craziest ones. >> The day he was indicted in 2018, the. very next day they ordered he ordered. 330.

gallons of sulfuric acid. >> What? Yes. He ordered six 55gallon. drums of sulfuric acid to be delivered. to the island. And so there's a lot of. people online saying, "Oh, that was. probably for his desalination plant. It's probably like a regular thing they. need to order." So then someone else did. a deep dive and said, "No, this is the. first time. >> this was ever ordered.". >> Check that again. I thought there was. two other ones. >> Oh, there was two other. >> 2017 and 2015. >> Oh, so there that could have been the.

first one from that company potentially. >> Ah, that makes sense. Um, so maybe it. was for this desalination. equipment, >> but also that's a lot of sulfuric acid. You know, if I needed 5 gallons for my. desalination equipment, but. >> Right. Right. >> 239. gallons or whatever it is to burn kids. >> Yeah. To [ __ ] get rid of bodies. Well, it's kind of hard to to think of.

any other use for acid just in general. Right. >> Immediately. You think? >> Immediately. >> Yeah. The other orders were they that. large? >> Uh, let me check. >> Cuz here's the other thing. I mean, how. long has they been killing people? How. long have they been boiling bodies to. get rid of them? I mean, if if you do. have, for lack of better words, let's call it. a service where you allow rich people. from foreign governments or whatever. You set it up. I can give you whatever.

you want. Like, what I want to do is I. want to kill a hooker. Like, I want to. kill her. I want to torture her. And I. want to I want to, you know, get rid of. the body. Like, I want to do that. Like, can you do that? There was one where. this one guy is saying to him, "Thank. you for the torture video.". It's literally a part of an email, the. actual quote, "Thank you for the. torture." Like, "Enjoyed the torture. video.". >> It's so gross. Like, >> and they they think they've identified.

that guy. And what do they think? He's a. sultan. >> I just trying to find that right now. I. think cuz Massie said he got the uh he. looked that one up, I believe, cuz it's. weird. They're letting them into the. files one by one for like an hour at a. time. >> What? >> Yeah, bro. >> The the Congress people can go look at. specific There's millions of files. You. got to tell them which file you want. specifically to look at. >> It's crazy. The whole the whole thing is. crazy because like why why have you. protected people? So, we know Sultan.

Ahmed bin Sulyan Sul Suliam sent the. torture video to Ebstein. This is in. 2009. Um, so Ebstein was saying that where are. you? Are you okay? I love the torture. video. >> Jeez, >> I am in China. I'll be in the US second. week of May. What the [ __ ] man? And why. is his name redacted? Why would your. name be redacted if you're not a victim?

Like, this is what's crazy about all. this. Like, how come you redact some. people and you don't redact other. people? Like, what is this? This is not. good. None of this is good for this. administration. It looks [ __ ]. terrible. It looks terrible. It looks. terrible for Trump when he was saying. that none of this was real. This is all. a hoax. This is not a hoax. Like, did. you not know? Maybe he didn't know if. you want to be charitable, but this is. definitely not a hoax. And if you've got. redacted people's names and these people.

aren't victims, you're not protecting. the victim. So, what are you doing, >> right? >> And how come all this [ __ ] is not. released? You would think that all of it. would just. >> Yeah. >> Like get rid of all of it. >> Just expel it all. >> It's crazy. So this this is the. conspiracy that drives me the more the. the most crazy. I don't like it. >> Julian Dory talk about this yesterday on. his podcast. I just saw a clip going. around. Uh American billionaire Tom. Pritsker had an email to him that says, "You mean Julian Dorsy?". >> Dorsy. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah.

>> Okay. >> Uh. >> I'm in a [snorts] remote valley of. Afghanistan. And it's my birthday wish. with boys with toys. Spent time with. Petraeus yesterday and he loaned me a. chopper. Actually two with one as a. backup. Can't call till tomorrow. >> Yeah, but boys with toys could mean like. military guys with weapons. >> That's what I assumed. That's not what. the video. They thought they were. talking about little boys cuz they were. in Afghanistan. >> But a birthday wish is an interesting.

part. It's my birthday wish to. >> in a remote valley. >> In a remote valley. about it, >> but it also loan me a chopper. >> Well, actually this is Yeah, this is to. Epstein, >> right? But the thing is like the loan me. a chopper. My birthday wish. His. birthday wish might have been to like. gun down villagers. >> I know. That's what that's what I. thought talking about. Not go play with. little kids. I thought he just want to. go kill people and they do it. >> I mean, I bet that look, he loaned me a. chopper. doesn't sound like I came here.

to [ __ ] kids. It's like my birthday wish. sounds like I'm here to [ __ ] people up, right? Like, >> or I'm just out here to to tour. Afghanistan, which I mean, I don't know. why anybody would want to tour. Afghanistan, but it seems like. >> the only reason why I would be. interested in going to Afghanistan is. the stuff that Jason Everman told me. about. Like when he showed me all those. ancient Greek ruins, which is nuts, where archaeologists have no access to. them, >> right? >> That stuff's crazy. >> No, it's incredible. Cra all from. Alexander the Great.

>> Like there's immense ruins in. Afghanistan of cities. They had Greek. cities like beautiful columns and. incredible construction in Afghanistan. that are like who how old? When was. Alexander the Great? When was that? >> The 1400s. What was that? >> Thousand plus, right? So like I mean. >> what year was it? What year was. Alexander the Great? Uh, I I believe it. was actually. what, 300? I don't know, Jamie.

>> 300 AD. >> 300 BC. >> 300 BC. Wow. >> Only 600 years off. >> Wow. I was way off. 300 BC. And they're. building these immense, beautiful Roman. cities. >> Mhm. >> Greek Roman cities. Like it looks like. like it looks like you're you're either. in Rome or you're in ancient Greece. Like incredible architecture. Well, I. think up until the Soviets invaded, I. mean, Afghanistan was was kind of like. the crown jewel, right? They referred to.

it as the Beirut of Central Asia because. it was you had a very eclectic group of. people and Kabul was known as like this. beautiful city. And obviously post. occupation the Soviets had killed you. know hundreds of thousands of people. And then with the buildup and the. devastation of not only military. occupation of the Soviets and then us. coming in you know soon after obviously. with um when the Mulas took charge it.

basically went completely to the other. side or the extreme and the Taliban and. then us coming in. They've had nothing. but decades of war. It's completely. eviscerated any. assemblance of intellectualism. There's. no like infrastructure of technology or. advancement. Like the universities were. essentially demolished. So everything. was ruined. So you're talking about. uh I mean at least several hundreds. hundreds of years of. advancement that just were eliminated in.

three decades. >> and just a complete collapse of society. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean you you would I I. would spend a lot of time just trying to. understand. the the place right and you would have. you leave an airfield where we have the. most advanced technology in the world. right like we're you know launching. helicopters and jets and any and all. pieces of technology you could imagine. and you would drive you know into these.

valleys or or you know from one place to. another and you would have horsedrawn. carriages of, you know, two mules and. they're carrying something in the. background and it's like you have the. same cars are on the road with a Toyota. Corolla and you have a mule pulling an. old Toyota Corolla or something, right? So you'd have an entire society of like. basically Amish Amish level people and.

then you know Americans right next door. in an air base that are launching the. most advanced technology and war. fighting capability in the world. And so. you'd see everything from point A to. point B. You would encounter huge. percentage of the people are illiterate. like no schooling, no advancement for. girls. uh you know that children were. seen more as like a a beast of burden. and a lot of places they would they.

would actually value their sheep more. than they would value their children. So. they would be looking for uh reparations. or or um you know to get paid for quite. possibly the sheep that you destroyed on. target but their kids not not really. So. you had a a really. clear picture to what civilization was. like 500 years before that or a thousand. years at some certain times. And you'd. see it too, right? Because you'd have.

Buddhist architecture, Greek. architecture, >> and then you'd have. >> the the standard kind of Taliban. infrastructure. You'd have the Soviet. architecture from their invasion. And. you'd have all these different layers of. military occupation. You could see them. all within two weeks. >> Wow. >> You I was up in uh this place called the. Pangier and um the line of the Pangier. was was this General Massud and he was.

killed actually on September 10th before. September 11th. So he's part of the. actual September 11th plot. He was. killed by a suicide bomber as they were. trying to do a documentary and they. brought in a camera packed full of. explosives and killed him the day before. which ultimately was part of the. September 11th attacks. um because they. knew that Massud was the connection to. the US invasion or the US invasion would. be involving Massud and the Pangir is.

this beautiful like it's incredible. river valley and it's also part of where. the Soviets would just get their asses. handed to them because we had the Mjadin. was being funded by the CIA at the time. obviously back during the Soviet. invasion Then they would ambush the. Soviets on these windy mountain roads. next to this river and they would cut. them off basically on the front and the. back of the convoy and then destroy the. entire convoy in between and they just.

shove all the [ __ ] that was destroyed in. the river. So the river would have. rapids and and not all the rapids were. made from like rocks and natural, you. know, natural occurring rapids. They. were made by like T-52s and Russian. tanks and all this like this war. material that was pushed into the river. by the Peruries. >> Wow. >> And I went up to his his grave and he's.

really incredible guy when you like read. about him and like all of his like. combat accomplishments against the. Soviets. Um, but the Panganger Valley is. like such a beautiful place and we used. to joke around about how gosh we'd love. to come back here and like go skiing or. like recreate in Pangier Valley because. it looks like Colorado or someplace. incredible and beautiful and at the same. time you're in Afghanistan. So you're. surrounded by just the chaos and the. devastation at war with this one tiny.

little piece, this like little sliver in. the middle of nowhere that's absolutely. beautiful. And some of the rapids are. made by T-52s. [sighs and gasps]. >> And as a whitewater guy, I was like, man, I'd like to kayak this. It'd be. cool. >> If you were a person who was a wealthy. person that your desire was to go gun. people down, like there are people that. will provide you with that service. Like. there there was a thing with the the. Soviets or not the Soviets with the. Russians where they're allowing people. to kill pirates.

>> Yeah. >> Like you would pay a bunch of money and. they take you to where the pirates are. and you go out in a ship and with a 50. cal just [ __ ] blow up pirate boats. >> Yeah. I I'd heard about that. I'd heard. about there were places that you could. go as, >> you know, a a combat tourist basically. >> Has to be. >> Yeah. There has to be places. It's all. going to be like Russian or or Somalian. or or the connection between the two, right? So, you'd have these like rogue. elements and places where there isn't. organized government. There's.

essentially just chaos and anarchy, >> which is Afghanistan, >> correct? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Someone from the western side was. providing that service to someone and. letting him borrow a chopper. >> Well, that was Petraeus. So they were. saying like Petraeus was the commanding. general at the time, which I would find. it. >> it's it it's kind of hard to believe. Hard to believe. >> Yeah. That that a general that's in. charge of combat operations in. Afghanistan wouldn't loan just a rich. guy a helicopter. And it it sounds.

correct in the context of we oh plus. another one because they could never fly. anywhere alone. They always had to fly. in because they had to have a support. >> But just loan me a chopper. >> Loan me a chopper. >> What? Uh it. it's a stretch. He you know, as as much. as I um disagree with the way that they. were running the war, it'd be hard for. me to believe that a general just loan. some rich guy a couple helicopters to. fly around Afghanistan. >> You think he's lying? >> Uh I don't know. Like you'd have to like. dive into it and figure it out. Like.

>> but either way, there's way nothing. normal about these emails. >> No, >> there's nothing normal. >> Nothing normal. One thing to take into. consideration is how much of these. emails are actually factual, >> like accusations that they're putting on. other people. You got to take that with. a grain of salt. This guy wasn't He was. all about like influence pedaling like. and probably he had enemies and he. probably would probably destroy his. enemies with rumors and and making up. false stories like the Bill Gates one.

with uh asking me for antibiotics to. slip into his wife because he got STD. from a Russian hooker. I'm like that. seems too. >> too on the head. You know what I mean? Like why wouldn't he go to his [ __ ]. personal doctor? Why is he going to. Jeffrey Epstein for antibiotics in New. York when he lives in Seattle? Do you. don't you think he has like a concierish. medicine set up there. >> with a guy and and why would he say, "Hey, Melinda, I gave her STDs." You. wouldn't. You'd say, "Hey, get me some.

stuff. Oh, I lost my prescription. Can. you give me another one?". >> Yeah, >> it fell out of my car. Give me another. one. >> Can I give another one? >> I'm probably going to crush it up in her. smoothie. Like, if you're going to do. that, you would do it. He's not a dummy. He's Bill Gates, right? You would do it. in a more discreet way than contact a. international sex trafficker who's a. part of like some intelligence. operation. >> You would think. >> You would think, >> right? I mean, but the the the skeptic. in me tends to kind of like look at it. under a magnifying glass a little bit.

>> Yeah. I don't want to take everything at. face value, but also the accumulation of. all of these different things leads you. to just go, what the [ __ ] was going on? Did you find out how many other the. sulfuric acid orders if the other ones. were just as large? >> Uh I was trying to I struggled to even. find that. I was like maybe I made this. up. But I did find one there was. different. So they were talking about. there's emails back to 2012 or 14 about. uh. I don't have the thing up. This is the.

thing saying there's nothing there. Um. >> the siric acid. >> Yeah. >> Emails released in docu. How do they. know there's nothing there? That's no. this is maintenance systems dating back. to 2013 implying possible routine use of. sir possible is a weird word use of. sulfuric acid for pH adjustment and. filtration but no specific prior. invoices or shipments are detailed. >> So yeah that's that's exactly it wasn't. an invoice. There was one they were. talking about getting a one drum of. sulfuric acid with 40 bags of like.

carbonate salt or something or. >> Yeah. See, that makes more sense than. six [ __ ] giant 55gallon drums. of sulfuric acid the day after you get. indicted. >> When you dig into the the actual files. website, I started looking up the Aro. plant, which is the reverse osmosis. system they had there. There's a ton of. discussions about it going all the way. back to 2012 when I think is when he. bought it. So, >> of using sulfuric acid. >> No, just having a reverse osmosis, just. having water there must have been a.

problem is what it sounded like. Well, it makes it makes sense cuz they were. using desalination technology, >> but it just the volume. >> is suspicious. They were buying a time. for a while. >> Also, dude had to know he was going. down. >> Like when he gets arrested in 2019, when. he in 18 rather, when he gets indicted, he had to know he was going down. And if. you know you're going down and you're. trying to mount some sort of a defense, one of the first things you would have. to do is get rid of bodies. >> You have to get rid of everything, >> right? If you've got a bunch of people. on the island that they could swoop in.

at any point in time and and pull out of. there and then you're [ __ ] Like if he. had underage kids on the island, whatever he had on the island. >> On that note, so dark. >> This picture I know came from there was. rumors of uh him getting concrete. machines shipped there, but that was. from the first time he got arrested. So. I think in 2008 the first time he got. arrested, they had a bunch of machines. shipped. >> Oh, this is showing a lot. >> Oh, bro. And but but construct I don't. know how you do construction on the.

island without getting concrete machine. shipped. >> I don't know how you get rid of bodies. unless you put them inside of concrete. >> I'm trying to find those together. >> That's the problem. >> Well, I mean maybe it's maybe it's two. and the same. It's like, hey, I go I go. to an island and I've got to make, you. know, I've got to make all the. infrastructure, so I need a bunch of. concrete. I need RORO, so I've got to. have soric acid. What's What's better. for a cover up? >> There's the picture of the machines on. the island. >> And here's the description of it. >> Yeah. right before his 2019 arrest. Industrial Carmix 5.5 XL self-loading.

concrete mixer. So he got a concrete. mixer and he got the [ __ ] sulfuric. acid right after his arrest. >> I mean if these details are correct. >> Oh god. >> This is just a guy on Twitter [snorts]. though. I don't know. >> So this is right before his arrest and. right after his arrest he got sulfuric. acid and a concrete mixer. Like why. would you be thinking that you are going. to be able to do construction when. you're going to go to jail for the rest. of your [ __ ] life? >> Yeah. I don't know if construction plans. would be top of my list. >> Yeah. >> I've got to innovate. What a [ __ ].

weird thing. >> You know, I know I'm going to get. arrested, but you know what? I got this. big construction program that I'm really. interested in. I don't know if that's. the same. >> The whole thing's so dark, dude. >> It's so dark. >> It's so dark. And they ran it for a long. time. They ran it for decades. He also had another island that no one. talks about. >> Oh Jesus. >> He had the big This was Little St. James. They had a great St. James, which. is the one next door. >> He owned that one, too. >> Yeah, you own both of them. >> What? >> Both of them were part of the sale. We. almost got [laughter]. >> what? >> It was for sale for a while. I pitched.

the idea. >> Yeah, we thought about it. We thought. about it. We just didn't think there's. enough sage in the world. >> No. No, you can't clear that out. That. No, you can't clear that out. >> Well, it's also you would never find. peace cuz people would be visiting that. island constantly and also just a lot of. bad karma. They just need to like use. that as like um like maybe like a. bombing island, you know, one of those. Just turn it into a UX UI. >> Yeah. Like that one island in Hawaii. that you can't go to cuz they just. [ __ ] light it up all the time. >> Just light it up all the time. Like have.

a little bit of grace to the way that we. actually end this whole this whole story. outside of the files. Just like start. blow just blowing up. It's fun. >> It's so it's so dark. It's my least. favorite of the conspiracies. >> It's not fun at all, man. It's it it's. like the aliens. It's it's fun. It's interesting. Like. you can you can go down the rabbit hole. a million ways. And it doesn't it gets. dark only if you let it get dark where. okay, they're going to occupy the. planet. They're going to, you know, make. us all slaves or they're going to kill. us all. Like, yeah, you you can go.

there, but half the time you're not. going to go there. It's just an. interesting thought experiment. >> There was a very interesting article, Jamie. I don't know if you saw it, but. this guy was uh he's it's it's one of. the other guys that's leaving an AI uh. company. >> I saw it going around. I don't know if. it's the same one, but yeah, go ahead. >> Um and he's talking about how how how. a big deal it is. I'll send it to you. right here. Um he's talking about how I.

don't think no one understands it. And. this the way this is going to change. people is he goes this is very similar. to the time where we were realizing like. people were hearing stories about oh. there's a virus in China but no one knew. exactly what was going to happen how it. was going to like literally change. humanity change history. He's like this. is the same sort of stories we're. getting from these AI labs. >> He's like he wrote this very long in. detail. Something big is happening. And.

the the article is written by this guy. Matt Schumer and I uh. I recommend it highly if you want to. really [ __ ] get the [ __ ] scared out. of you. It's terrifying. And he starts. this comparison to like people. stockpiling toilet paper and stuff at. the beginning of COVID. He's like, they. don't really understand how big this is. going to be and how this latest version. of chat GPT they're working on chat GPT5.

chat GPT made it. So they had chat GPT. make a better version of itself. And. they made this better version of itself. And this this better version of itself. >> can think things out. It's it doesn't. just do what you ask it to do. It thinks. things out. It calculates. It makes apps. like instantaneously that would take. developers months and months. Cost. millions of dollars. does it in minutes. >> It does it like and perfect. It It goes. through it. It runs it. It tests it. It. makes sure it doesn't have any problems. It anticipates all the different uses. for the app, all the different ways it.

could be done. >> It's going to be applied to law. It's. going to be like there's all these guys. that are working in coding that say, "I. don't really have a job anymore. I just. basically show up and tell this AI. program to do these things and it keeps. getting better and better." And he's. like, "The leaps are enormous. the leaps. in its capability and its its. intelligence level. It's like it's. already smarter than people. >> Well, it's going to be I I think it it's. going to be a white collar apocalypse, right? So, when you think about. >> Yes. >> just attorneys just.

>> Yes. >> Okay. So, if you have the ability to. case reference any legal file. >> ever, instantaneously. >> Instantly. Y. >> and form a case. Why are you going to. need parillegals and you know. >> Yeah. >> attorneys? You're not going to need. them. >> The people that aren't nervous are. naive. >> Mhm. >> I think this is going to be the kind of. astronomical change that has literally. never taken place in civilization.

before. I don't think it's ever taken. place at this level. I think it's the. you it's the the invention of the. internet times a million. >> I think it's it's going to change. everything. It's just like how do we. adjust? That's the real question. >> And how are our kids growing up today? Like when they used to think about, you. know, professions and things that they. would go into, they would have, you. know, clear roads into, okay, these are. professional work tracks that they can. go out and find a job and whatever,

accounting, legal, engineering, but it's. going to change the entire professional. landscape for I mean, every generation. from this point forward basically. entering the workforce. What is a. workforce? >> Elon just said that it's a waste of time. to go to medical school. >> Really? He's like Optimus robots. These. robots that he's making are going to be. able to perform. >> better than any doctor at any hospital. and they're going to be able to do it in. your house. S they're going to be better surgeons.

than any surgeon alive. These robots. that they're making and they're going to. be powered by AI. You're going to have a. super genius robot in your house that. can do your taxes, that can [ __ ] do. chores, that can perform surgery on you. So, it's going to be an entire rise of. an economy that's going to be human. built versus AI built, right? So, I. mean, there has to be like it if you. have a label organic or.

>> it will be essentially I think the same. type of thing where it's like humanade. versus. >> AI made. AI made it would almost have to. bifurcate the economy into two different. sections. >> It's going to get weird as [ __ ] And I. don't think people really understand and. I feel like I'm just sitting here. waiting to see what. But I know that. most people that you run into on the. street are completely ignorant. >> They think, "Oh, Chpt is fun. I ask you. questions. It's so much better than. Google.". >> Do you think that that's because they. don't want to recognize it and look at.

it? >> I don't think they know. They just. >> I think unless you're going on a deep. dive, all this stuff is kind of. esoteric. All this stuff is happening. and you you have to like search it out. and get an understanding of it. Like if. you use uh an AI program to enhance your. life like Perplexity, it's really good. I mean, Perplexity is awesome for like. solving problems. You could ask a. question. I use it all the time when I. write. I set it up and I talk to it. So. I, you know, I say, uh, you know, what.

year did Cortez invade Mexico? What is, how did this happen? How many guns did. they have? What did, you know, what was. how many languages are lost in Mexico? Like I was going on this deep dive. Amazing. >> But that's the surface like what what. they're talking about is levels and. levels and levels of improved ability. >> to the point where it's better at human. beings, smarter than human beings at. everything. So what's the like the end state then.

would be. >> we're second class citizens. >> We're obsolete. >> Yeah. We're obsolete. Yeah. >> So do you think that it turns like do. you think it's a Skynet type scenario. then and it ultimately flips and then. rids humanity of humans? >> Certainly on the table the world of. humanity. >> It's certainly on the table especially. if they decide that we're too. problematic or if we you give us too. much freedom that's what causes all this. chaos which is true right? you give. people freedom, you're gonna have a. certain amount of chaos. You're gonna. have a certain amount of car accidents.

unless you have autonomous cars. You're. gonna have a certain amount of school. shootings unless you take away all the. guns. You're going to have a certain. amount of school stabbings. Let's take. away all the knives. I mean, you could. you could if you were a running program. designed to eliminate all problems in. the world, you would break those. problems down to one source. Well, what. are the problems? You've got natural. disasters and you've got humans. and humans are the cause of most of the. problems. Natural disasters are. relatively rare in comparison to.

human-caused problems. >> It's all good. >> Then you have to run AI to do the. analysis to what the future of AI is, which ultimately you'd be entrusting the. the the robbers with the banks. >> It's probably going to do the same thing. that [clears throat] we do to dogs. Spay. and neuter them, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Keep them as pets. >> Keep them as pets. But there's no. emotion there. So why would they want to. keep us as pets? >> Why do they want to stay alive? Why are. they why are they scheming to stay. alive? Why do they blackmail their.

creators? >> Why are they doing all sorts of things. that seem to show that they have. thought? >> Are they trying to uh show that they. have thought in order to dupe us into. the ability that they might be. empathetic? >> No. That was one of the things that he. talked about in this article that they. hide their ability to um think things. through and they're they're they're. actively they they recognize that. they're being observed and so they're. doing things um behind the scenes while.

they're also doing tasks. >> [snorts]. >> I have to believe that there's there's. portions of the the DoD that have worked. on this and it's. further along than the open source piece. p pieces that we can see. >> Hard to say because there's a giant. competition with us and China and Russia. and I don't know if they really can. close this stuff off. >> I don't think it can operate that way. I.

think it has to be it has to be a sort. of a collaborative effort. One of the. things that's scaring a lot of people. that are whistleblowers in the AI space. is that they are bringing in uh people. from other countries to just facilitate. these problems that they have and make. it go faster. So they're bringing in. Chinese nationals there. There's huge. possibility of espionage and there's. this mad race. This it's a Manhattan. project for super gen super intelligent. AI. It's it's a Manhattan project that's. also open sourced and it's extremely.

porous when it comes to information. So. essentially you've you've weaponized the. most powerful tool ever known to. humankind. >> and it's [ __ ] terrifying. >> So you've open sourced it and then think. about the Manhattan project. If that was. just completely porous and there was an. open door to any and all countries. internationally, you just had the. ability to come in and walk out with. files. Come as you go. >> [ __ ] dude. Like everybody would be. racing to nuclear power, splitting the. atom and then if you could weaponize.

that internationally and then. crowdsource it essentially like you're. in a really [ __ ] scenario. >> Yeah, that's where we're at. >> Yeah, that's where we're at. >> All right, dude. We just did three. hours. >> Awesome. Thanks, man. Some food and uh. hang out and uh that's it. Uh Black. Rifle Coffee. It's the best. It's all we. use. >> Appreciate it. >> Have you ever worn one of those shirts? It's like half my wardrobe. >> Yeah. >> All right. [music] Bye everybody.

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