Joe Rogan Experience #2452 - Roger Avary

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the the William Shatner one where uh you. know the um studio guy, you know, he. says uh Shatner is doing some ADR for uh. the cartoon, the Star Trek cartoon, and. he says uh you know, he uses the word. sabotage and he gets corrected by the by. the studio guys. He's like, "Uh, Bill, it's pronounced sabotage. Please don't. correct me. It disgusts me. It sickens. me. And [laughter] you say sabotage. I.

say sabotage. I absolutely. love William Shatner. >> My favorite ones are the or uh excuse. me. Uh [ __ ] I can't remember his name. Um Rose Bud Orson Wells. Jesus Christ. >> Orson Wells. What happened? >> You started saying it. >> I know. What happened? My brain just. [laughter] said nope. No access. When. Orson Wells was doing the Gallow Wine. commercials, remember those days? Like. >> Orson Wells wine.

>> before it's time. >> I know. And then he was like. >> everything was like a exhaustive sucking. of air to come in to see. >> But then he was making fun of how shitty. the wine was in between takes like he. was angry. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> There is a CD that you can get. I can't. remember what it's called, but I have. them at home. And it's like all these. radio things like that where just when. celebrities, you know, lose it on uh. while doing voice over and ADR. It's. hilarious. >> Orson Wells is a crazy story, right?

Because when he made that movie, when he. made Citizen Canain, which was about. William Randph Hurst. Yeah. William. Randph Hurst essentially shut down one. of the most talented guys alive at the. time, shut down his career. >> Yeah. Because the movie was kind of an. insult about, you know, the whole thing. about Rosebud is that's the name of his. girlfriend's clitoris. >> Oh, really? >> That was his nickname for her clitoris. And so Orson Wells was doing a kind of. very uh uh like uh like he was jabbing.

at him in a very low-level way like. really. Yeah. Rose. >> How did he know that that was the. nickname of his girlfriend's clitoris? >> People in Hollywood [snorts] know these. things. >> Oh boy. Word gets around. [laughter]. >> Word gets around. >> I would keep that one just to her. >> Yeah. >> Who told. >> Yeah, [laughter]. >> that's crazy. But I mean, if you go back. to like War of Worlds and then Citizen. Kane, I mean, this guy was a dynamo. And. then they shut him down. Well, yeah. And. he was doing things that nobody else.

would do. It's like he's like, "Oh, I. want the camera down here like on the. phone." Well, we can't get the camera. lens down that low. You like what you're. talking about is impossible to do. And. so he would just grab a like a pickaxe. and just start chopping away at the. studio concrete and dig a hole in the. ground so you could put the camera down. that low. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. He would he was uh obsessed with. getting a a vision on screen that was. even today is so advanced. There's a. shot in the very beginning when uh young.

Kane is like a little kid and he's out. there playing with Rose Bud. He's out. there playing with the sled in the snow. and the camera is on him and then it. kind of starts pulling back and it pulls. through a window and then we see his. parents and the uh the trust attorney. and the camera keeps backing up all the. way into the room. Well, to do that in a. studio and to have all that snow and. everything, you need so much light, but. you also need a lot of light inside the. uh because the exposure change. It's like an amazing, incredible uh.

dolly shot, a reverse tracking shot. It's fantastic. >> And what year did he do this too, >> guy? [laughter]. I don't know the exact year. Uh. >> citizen Kane has to be 40s, right? >> Yeah. Yeah, probably. It's uh Yeah, it's. in the 19 late 40s, I would think. [sighs]. >> Is that when it was Jamie? >> Yeah. Tell us the. >> uh It should be Yeah. 41 is when it came. >> 41. Early early 40s. Early 40s. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. Let me see that shot.

>> Time. >> Can we find that? >> Wartime. It's a wartime film. >> What, Jamie? >> I was I was looking for I was lost in. some other ones. >> Wartime 40s, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> I didn't even think of that. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> A lot of stuff going on back then. >> Probably hard to get people to go to the. movies back then. >> No, it would be easy to go to the. movies. In fact, wartime and depression. and when things are bad, >> that's usually the best time for. entertainment because people just want. to escape. >> Well, that actually makes sense. Be careful, Charles.

>> Pull your muffler around your neck, Charles. >> Kane, I think we shall have to tell him. now. >> Yes. >> I'll sign those papers now, Mr. Thatcher. >> You people seem to forget that I'm the. boy's father. >> It's going to be done exactly the way. I've told Mr. Thatcher. >> There ain't nothing wrong with Colorado. I don't see why we can't raise our own. son just because we come into some. money. If I want, I can go to court. A. father has a right to. a border that. beats his bill and leaves worthless. stock behind. That property is just as. much my property as anybody's now that.

it's valuable. And if Fred Graves had. any idea all this was going to happen, he'd have made out those certificates in. both our names. >> However, they were made out in Mrs. Kane's name. So, in order to maintain. that background exposure of the little. kid in the window and the foreground, what's what you're not knowing is how. much light they're using on the interior. part in order to create that balance. between the two. >> with the with the film stocks back then. And the other thing is that table gets. flown in like they move that table into. the shot because it's in the way of the.

camera move. Wow. >> And so there's all sorts of like, you. know, mathematics going on in the. creation of this shot. And most people. would just, you know, be like, "Oh, just, you know, shoot the kid outside. and then cut inside, you know, just do. it like that." But, you know, Wells was, I mean, he was thinking on a complete. other level. >> I just We've robbed We got robbed of so. many films if you really think about it, what he could have made. >> Yeah. >> You know, yes and no. My favorite film. of his is Touch of Evil and there's this. amazing shot in with Charlton H where. he's playing a Mexican and he's got like.

this like pencil thin uh you know. mustache this and like Chuck H as a. Mexican is fantastic and then. everybody's so sweaty in the movie and. it takes place in Mexico but it's shot. in Venice, California and so the whole. opening which is this setting of a bomb. in the trunk of a car and then yeah. here's the opening shot and you can tell. that it's actually downtown Venice. And this is supposed to be Mexico. >> Yeah, this is supposed to be like a. border town in Mexico. I don't know if. it's Tijana or some other border town,

but it's he does this this [snorts]. amazing amazing single shot. >> Wow. >> And which back then this is really hard. to do. And this is kind of a um I mean. it's Charlton H essentially saying I uh. I believe in Orson Wells and his vision. This is. >> That's downtown Venice. There's the. beach is just beyond that. >> Ah, wow. >> God, what year is. >> Actually, I'm sorry. The beach might be. behind us.

>> What year was this? >> 58. >> Yeah. 1958. >> Wow. >> It's an incredible shot. And And this is. incredibly difficult to do as well. because you've got a crane. >> and now you're following the people. >> Now you're following the people. And. there's Charlton H with his mustache. And we know as an audience that there's. a bomb in that car, but he doesn't know. >> Wow. >> And so, you know, he he's still, you. know, the just the fact that this is all.

one shot is crazy. And for back then, I. mean, it's a big deal. Back then, the. camera that you're using isn't just some. little uh handy cam or something like. that now, you know, an iPhone. It's a. Mitchell BNCR, which is a, you know, it. takes four guys to move that camera. It's made out of cast iron. You know, it's a a giant camera with a blimp and. uh blimp. >> A blimp is a a soundproofing device. It's So, you have the camera and then. you've got to build a giant uh encasing. for the camera. >> because it makes so much noise. [snorts].

>> You don't want to hear that. >> What did that look like? >> Um I have one in my home. It's uh. >> Of course you [laughter] do. >> Well, I that shot's incredible. I I. would have never I didn't know that film. existed. I bought I bought mine from. this commercial director named Charles. Whittenmeer and he had a massive. collection of stuff and then he. liquidated everything. He just kind of. cashed out of Los Angeles and he's he. had a warehouse full of stuff and so I. went in and he's like you know well. here's you can get this and you can get. this. I was like okay the Mitchell BNCR.

and we went over to it and he's like you. know this Mitchell BNCR was used uh you. know to shoot uh the Godfather. >> So that's what it looks like with the. big lid on it. >> Yeah, that's actually Yeah, that's. basically the camera. That's That's the. camera. I also have some cameras. >> The blimp is the thing on top of it. >> Yeah, the blimp is Well, the whole thing. is actually the whole thing is a blimp. I mean, well, there's there's a smaller. um area. >> with a blimp on it. The the big one like. the whole thing is a blimp. And when you. can actually open up all of these uh.

these trap doors on it to reveal the. camera inside of it. And then the reels. that are in There you go. It's There's. an opened one, an opened up one. >> Wow. >> That one looks like it's holding an airy. on the inside. in area 100. One of the. things about old movies is they would. let a scene cook. You know, you had so. much time before people would talk and. you just let like the average daily life. sort of play out. >> Yeah. >> And it set the tone for the film and. they don't now it's like it's like built.

for Netflix. >> Well, yeah. Well, now you have a white. paper that Netflix gives you and that I. think uh was it Ben Affleck that was. talking about it. you know how you know. you got to have a beat in the beginning. and you've got to have this and this and. this and regular things. I mean there. was this book by Sid Field which was a. screenwriting book um that you know at. one hand it gave a kind of formula on. what a movie should be. you know, by. page seven, your inciting event should. happen, and by page 30, the first, you. know, he had everything mapped out by.

page. And that eventually found its way. into the hands of studio executives, and. they were like, "Oh, now we know what a. screenplay is supposed to be structured. like, you know, in order to have proper. story arcs and structures and a. satisfying uh design." And uh and that's. just the next iteration is Netflix. giving you a white paper saying you have. to shoot with these cameras. You have to. uh process at these labs. You have to. have, you know, tech specs that are. within this range. And that's now.

extending to story because they've. analytically looked at what audiences. are, you know, able to process now, which is less and less probably because. of the COVID shot, you know, uh. [laughter] completely frying their. pineal glands. So they can no longer pay. attention to anything. And then on top. of that, the uh the mind control device. of uh cell phones. And um you know, with. all of that, they they're now like, well, how do we maintain the audience? And so you end up with white papers.

>> Don't you think it's options, too? It's. almost like if something is not really. fascinating within the first 20, 30. seconds, people just want to let's see. what else is on. They just want to keep. searching. >> Well, there is that. I mean, there's. something magical about being in a movie. theater. You know, it's uh you know, you're. >> you're you're in this congregation. >> You know, Clinton always talks about how. you know, movies are my church. Well, it. is a congregation and you're having. you're sitting in the dark next to.

someone you don't even know. They might. have completely different ideologies, uh, you know, race, creed, color, like. everything is different about them. And. yet you're sitting in the dark next to. them having this ecstatic dream, this. waking dream, sitting like insects. looking at the flicker on the screen, and you're sharing this kind of. experience that you're physically. trapped in. you like you you don't you. know you don't get up and leave the. theater and well you might if you have. to go to the bathroom or get some. popcorn or something but they'll even.

bring that to you now you uh you having. this kind of ecstatic experience. absorbing the movie with someone you. don't know and you're sharing your. bodily electricity with them and I think. this kind of uh this is the magic that. they often talk about of movies it's not. necessarily the the movie itself on. screen it's the shared experience of. being next to people. >> Yeah. >> And that. there is a kind of unseen electricity. between people that unifies us. And I.

think that there are dark forces in the. universe that are attempting to divide. people up. >> and to take that away to take away that. congregation. Do you really think that. that's on by design or you think that's. just a natural function of streaming and. televisions and phones and having access. to things instantaneously? I personally. think that streaming was by design to. eliminate residuals like. >> by design but isn't it just a function. technology emerging. >> you noticed that all of the executives.

well yeah I mean part of it is. technology but technology gets pushed. and brought to the forefront for. specific reasons and. >> you know digital cinema hasn't been the. greatest thing for the creative process. and I think we see that in the works. that we're looking at I mean if you. watch stuff on Netflix and uh whatnot we. can see that it it doesn't have the same. power and impact. And also, you know, when you were making a movie, when you.

were making a film on film, it was like. every time you turn on the camera, you're burning money. It's like every. single frame is like 4 cents or. whatever, whatever the calculation was. And so, uh, that was actually an. expensive part of the process. And so, you know, there was all this preparation. to get everything ready, like, oh, we. want to get all of the the props in. place, you know, right before we shoot. and the actors are in their trailer and. they're figuring out their what they're. going to do. And then you're on your way.

to set and people are like, "Hey, I'll. see you in the moment." And what they. mean by that is when the cameras turn on. and you [snorts] actually hear that. happening, suddenly everything pops into. play and suddenly you're you're. performing in front of uh you know, you're you're. what you're attempting to do is capture. lightning in a bottle and you don't even. know that you have it right away. You. ask your DP like, "Do we have it?" And. it's like, "Oh, well, there was a some. dust in the frame or a hair in the. frame. Let's get another one." and you. get another one and like then you hold.

that all in the dark, all that film. because you can't expose it and you send. it off to the lab and then some. alchemist at the lab at the castle, you. know, puts it into a potion and he and. the next day what comes out are these. like little stained glass windows and. you watch it and you realize what you. caught. You're like, "We did it. We we. captured something." Okay, now. everything is different. you uh you. know, you show up on set and. everything's digital and you've got. producers and uh network executives and.

broadcasters and everybody's there, studio people in video village and they. set up like a little tent and. everybody's sitting there in their. Canadian goose uh jackets on high chairs. and they're looking at a big color. corrected monitor and there's a guy. doing color correction in a van and. they're basically watching an. approximation of what it's going to look. like in the the end and they're sitting. there. Okay, on my first film there was. none of that. I had to stand next to the. camera. We didn't even have videotap.

Stand next to the camera and look at the. actors and see did the actors do what I. wanted them to do. And now, you know, they just turn on the camera and it's it. costs more money to stop the camera and. to restart it again. So, you just let it. roll and you're just like letting it go. and you're like, "Hey, you the director. now is like, hey, go back, start over. and smile this time." And then they redo. it and then the editor is now like. having to take those takes and separate. them in the uh in the editing room and.

the actors are like suddenly the moment. is gone in in other words it's vanished. It's uh. >> is there a way to do both? I mean is it. the medium of film? >> I mean it seems like it's the but it's. the environment as well. You're. describing an environmental thing, right? Video village executives. >> Yeah. The the problem is now suddenly. you've got a chorus of people sitting. there who are like, "Oh yeah, you got. it. I saw he got it. Didn't he get it? You got it." But you as the director. still have to run back and forth to the. camera and to the actors and everything. and you're like trying to uh keep it all.

in place. And. >> look, it it's neither is worse than the. other, >> right? >> They are both paint, but one is. watercolor and one is oil paint. And. those are opposingly different. M. >> you know if you were a um an oil artist. during the uh British Renaissance of. watercolor paint where all of a sudden. watercolor came out and everybody wanted. watercolor. >> Why would you try to make your you know.

watercolor paint look like oil or vice. versa? They're just completely different. mediums. They're both paint but they're. different. And so digital has its its. advantages and its purposes. you can, you know, because you can run like a. long mag of uh of video. I call it. video. Everybody calls it digital. cinema, but that was that was just to. push it through, you know, and and and. actually the technology is different, you know, with film, light travels. through through the glass. It travels.

through a gate. It exposes the silver. and the acetate and uh and and then and. you keep it all in the dark and send it. away. With video, the light travels. through the glass, it strikes the golden. sensor and then it bounces back into the. glass. And that's why video or digital. cinema is flatter by nature than than. most film because it and so to combat. this uh filmmakers have started to do. the exact opposite of what we used to.

do. It used to be that you would go to. uh shoot something, you're on you're. outside, you're on set, I've got my. camera on Joe and I have the sun behind. me because I want all that light on you. for the most part. I'm overexaggerating. my point, but and the analogy would be. or the uh the saying would be that at. the end of the day, you go home and the. back of your neck is sunburned because. you've always had the light behind you. Now, because the image is flatter, they. rotate the camera 180 degrees and they. shoot into the sun to get lens flare. and lens flare gives you the the the.

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Radio, the sitcom, we were doing it on. film and they were like really adamant. about doing it on film. Like they really. wanted it to be on film and then there. was some process where you could make. video look like film and I was like this. is so interesting. It's like we're. design like when you take your photo. with your camera on your phone and you. use portrait mode. Yeah. >> Which is you blur out the background, so. you're making it shittier. >> You're doing an artificial. >> Yeah. >> That's because uh we associate um you. know, we we associate the the faults of.

of media as as film. Like people think. of like old movies as Gateweave and. sepiaone and Dustin Scratches and kind. of fast motion. Well, when those movies. were originally made, the motion was. corrected by the cranking of the. projector. And so it was natural motion. The uh there was no sepia tone change. There was no dust. It was originally and. and there was no gate weave because it. was a fixed image. The image the.

celluloid hadn't yet shrunk or anything. like that. And so uh we now we have this. kind of filter nostalgic filter that we. associate with what an old movie looks. like. And so if you want to make. something look old, you start adding all. this crap to it. You're adding the. faults. And it's the faults of cinema. that actually make it really good. It's. not the perfection of cinema. >> That's in my opinion. >> because you would never be able to sell. that if that cinema never existed. Like. if cinema never existed and video came. around and then it was normal video like.

soap opera style and then someone came. along and said, "Hey, let's make it. blurry in the background and let's like. it's almost like we've become accustomed. to the faults and nostalgically we look. at them as if they're they're it's a. positive and and and it's also led by. you know everything is shot on iPhones. now and so that's becoming the cinematic. vernacular the grammar that uh people. are used to and they they now expect. that in a big movie and so suddenly ly. you see something like the latest James. Gun Superman or Gile Gilmo Del Toro's uh.

Frankenstein and they've got these crazy. wide lenses where there's no distortion. and you know kind of infinite depth and. and they're shot in a in a very large. format but what they're replicating is. an iPhone, >> right? And it just I I I watched both of. those movies and I thought, okay, both. of them are amazingly technically. competent and they're made by, you know, like highly professional people, but you.

know, it looks like iPhone footage, too. >> I'm a huge Guo Del Toro fan. Um, I even. loved his book, The Strain. Like, it was. really, it was really good till about. like 3/4 of the way through and it. seemed like he just wanted to finish the. book. Yeah, probably. >> like a bunch of [ __ ] just sort of just. happens in the last quarter of the book. where I was like this is kind of. jarring. >> It became dinner time. >> like put this aside. >> It just seemed like [ __ ] [laughter] I. can't keep going with this book. It's. what it feel felt like. It felt rushed. just my my opin but I'm a huge fan of.

that guy. I love Pan's Labyrinth. I love. a lot of his films but I didn't like. Frankenstein. I am, you know, like I love Gilmo and I love his spirit. and I love his artistry. He is an. amazing artist. His he's a um uh just. literally as a as an artist, you know, his his sketchbooks are beautiful and he. brings a great amount of passion uh to. his work. He he brings that kind of. Mexican uh passion to his work and I.

adore his him as a as a person. But to. be perfectly honest, I'm not wild about. his movies that much. I you know I I. >> You didn't like Pans's Labyrinth. I I liked parts of it, but as a whole, I. it just kind of. and I don't know what it is, you know, about it, but uh I mean, Blade 2 is. probably my favorite film of his because. it's like the least of of Well, actually, it's quite a bit of him, but.

um it's just the most accessible for me. I didn't know he did Blade 2. Which one. was that Patton Oswald was in where he. had the the whole bit about Wesley. Snipes and then they replaced him with a. cool cooler Wesley Snipes? [laughter]. >> I think that was three. >> Yeah, it was probably Blade. >> Blade three. I don't remember Blade 2. I. don't remember Blade 2. Blade one was. awesome though. >> Yeah, >> that's my favorite of all the comic book. vampire well comic book movies because I. I was just a giant fan of the Blade. comic book series. I also like his.

Pacific Rim movie and I like parts of. like the moment in Frankenstein that I. think is for me the entire movie. Like I. could have like left the rest of it. So. much of it was just so melancholic and. you know it was just like I just. couldn't engage with it. And uh uh but. the part that I absolutely loved was at. the Miller's house where he's learning. language. Mhm. >> To me, that was the movie when he's kind. of secretly learning how to speak and.

how to be and learning morals. And to. me, the mo I could have watched an. entire movie about that sequence. And it. was also beautifully made that part. Just the rest of it with. I could have done without. >> It was just a little flat. I don't know. >> And also, it's like why does it have. It's so freaking long. Like [laughter]. he could really like learn a lesson. Well, I was going to say he could learn. a lesson from Ridley Scott who just. clips through things like he he takes,

you know, oh, there's a dialogue scene. I'm just going to do the essentials and. just get out like it's a commercial. This dialogue scene doesn't need to be. any longer than 30 seconds and he just. clips along. somehow. Yet, his movies are still like. two hours long. >> Well, they're so involved. You know what. I really loved? Uh, Noserado. Did you. see the new. >> No. I haven't, you know, I don't want to sound like a pnicity. guy, but I had to be in the right. >> I want you to be pnikity. >> I had to be in [laughter] the right mood. to engage with that movie [snorts].

because um I like that guy's first. movie, The Vivich or The Witch. >> Um I. >> I never saw that. >> I. >> I heard it's great though. >> I love that film. I think that's a great. movie. And he's like a production. designer. >> He's doing a werewolf movie right now. >> Yeah, of course he is. [laughter]. >> Of course he is. >> I love a good werewolf. I did not like. his Moby Dickish uh lighthouse movie. Um. >> Oh, I didn't see that. That was the. William Defo. one. It was just uh just garish and kind. of I felt like lost its way halfway.

through. And um but uh and then you know. this latest one, Nosperatu. Look, I am a Verer Herzog nut and so I. like I adore Verer Herzog and I love his. noseratu. So for me to, you know, like. watch this guy's version of that. >> Which one? >> I have to be in the right mood. I have. to be in the right mood. I just wasn't. yet in the right mood to accept. >> Which one is Werners? Who who plays.

Nosado? >> Oh, Claus the the incomparable. Klauskinsky. And uh I know I've seen it. I mean the thing about Verer Herzog when. he made his noseratu what's you know uh. the Mnau movie which is the original. Noseratu the the very first one with Max. Shrek. >> uh that. >> I saw at the library when I was 10 years. old. >> So the thing about Verer Herzog as a. filmmaker is that most filmmakers have. their forefathers that they can look. back to. they can you they have a.

generation before them that they can. kind of imprint on and because of the. brutality and uh tragedy of World War II. uh he had none. There were no German. filmmakers that he could look to and so. he had to look to his grandfather. basically which was Mnau when he made it. and so his film is almost like haunted. by the by the original and then he bring. you know Ver Herzog grew up. >> not using a telephone until he was in. his teens. He'd never seen a telephone. before. He had grown up like in, you.

know, upper Bavaria in in the mountains. And, you know, so he he comes like his. film is almost displaced in time. It's. like skipped a generation. And he does. things like uh you know, he'll show two. actors in the most emotional part of the. movie when Mina and Jonathan Harker are. uh you know, at the beach and they're. basically saying goodbye. And normally. in a Hollywood film, they would cut to a. closeup so that we could see the tears. You know, we would cut to that close-up.

But because his film is, you know, because he's displaced in time, he stays. back. Like, he doesn't even bother. shooting a close-up. To him, it's more. melancholic to show them just isolated. as figures, you know, in in a in a wide. shot. And it truly is. And so, his film. is is super powerful that way. And then. you have Klaus Kinsky, you know, who is. uh, you know, like the madman actor of. of German cinema and who is uh uh, you.

know, who who was like I mean there's a. documentary called My Best Fiend, which. um, uh, K which is about the. relationship you between Herzog and. Kinsky. And there's an amazing scene in. the beginning of that where uh he Verzog. visits the apartment that he rented in I. think it was in Berlin that uh you know. that where he was first becoming a. filmmaker and where he first met Klaus. Kinsky and he goes there and it's now. occupied by these two you know just very.

conservative uh this German couple and. and he starts going through the house. and saying oh yes here this is where uh. Klouse you know went crazy and he. started smashing it and [ __ ] on the. walls and like you [laughter] know like. cuz he was an insane guy. He was like. his whole thing was about provocation. And so he brings a kind of crazy. vampire. I mean it feels like a real. vampire. >> I remember it now but I haven't seen it.

forever. What year was that? >> Uh you mean the Kinsky one? >> Yes. >> Uh I think it was in the 70s so I'm. thinking it was like 78 or 79. Maybe. even earlier. >> I know I've seen all the Noseratos. Um let me see. Give me a um. >> I will eventually see this new. >> I will eventually see this new one. >> It's [ __ ] good, man. It's good. >> The dude who plays the vampire, what's. his name? >> Um. >> the guy who played uh the the clown and. it. >> Bill Scarsgard. >> Oh, yeah. Bill Scars. >> He's so good. Well, >> he's so good.

>> So, is this the scene when he meets the. vampire? >> I don't know. I just clicked on. >> Yeah, this Oh, he cuts. >> Well, this is Yeah, this is I mean. that's [snorts]. I mean, Kinsky brings just an amazing. >> The knife is old and could be. >> empathy. >> It could give you blood poisoning. >> Oh, this is the English version. >> Please let me do it. It's the oldest. remedy in the world. >> Oh, forget it. It's hardly worth.

mentioning. Just a little cut. You [sighs]. you know. it's only for the best. [gasps]. >> The original [laughter]. in German is incredible.

>> That's so awesome. And that's probably. Kinsky like you know they're supposed to. cut and Kinsky just keeps going. Yeah. I mean Bruno Gans. I think it's. Bruno Gans is probably terrified in real. life cuz he doesn't know Kinsky's crazy. enough where he'll bite him, >> right? >> And he's got those fake teeth. >> Yeah.

>> Let's sit up for a while. All right, show me a clip from the new. one. You You got to see the the new. Noserato. >> I mean, I had never seen a vampire like. that. And And then I think Salem's Lot. was made after the TV movie was super. similar to it. >> Yeah. >> Um there's a a scene when he um meets. the guy at the castle. I did see one scene from this online.

with Lily Rose Depp kind of. >> this is it. >> reacting to something which was like. very compelling. >> Go full screen to this. This is when he. makes it into the castle. It's really dark man. He did a fantastic. job of like capturing the creepiness of. it and also the surreal aspect. of him being under the trance of this. vampire. You recognize that reality is. all [ __ ] up and skewed. Like time. passes very quickly. It doesn't make. sense. He's super confused as to what's.

going on. I mean, I have to say this movie feels. haunted as haunted by the Herzog version. as Herzog was haunted by the Mnau. version. As if it's a continuation. For. me, it would be. >> like I encourage anybody to like enjoy. all three of them, I guess. >> Yeah. I wonder if he was haunted by that. or if I wonder if he was haunted by the. original. But this is uh with the use of.

all. >> the little step frame. >> modern ability. Yeah. >> But it's just the way they made the. castle and the way they made him is very. unique. There's so many aspects of it. that I thought were very unique. Even. the way the vampire feeds on people is. unique. This guy is a he's a very very. very good filmmaker. I just uh. >> You are late. The midnight hour has passed.

and my attendance. have wor. >> I don't know so much about the way he's. talking. >> It's a It's weird but it grows on you. It grows on you. >> Well, I'm sure it has a like a haunting. quality over time. >> Yeah. Like like this, the guy just. disappears and all of a sudden he's way. far away. There's a lot of that in this. movie. So the scene when they get him to. sign papers when he's get up to that.

>> questions about the young. we yet keep close many superstitions. here that may seem backward. to a young man of your high learning. >> Sure Prince Charles was like jacking off. to this film. [laughter] Oh, >> before they made that painting. >> Well, he he apparently he visits uh.

Castle Dracula like every year. >> Well, isn't he related to Vlad Tz? >> Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. I mean, he's he's German. He's of German. ancestry. So, >> I think Prince Charles is related to the. original Vlad the Impaler. >> That would go further ahead. So, they. >> would track with the whole baby eating. thing. >> They give you a look at what he looks. like. I think it cuts off probably.

This is going to cut it off. They don't want to give away too much. That was the other thing. Like you don't. really [music] get to get a look at them. for quite a while and when you do it's. horrifying. >> Yeah. And the movie is made in washes of. darkness. >> Mhm. It's very dark. I mean, it's very much a candle lit. movie, >> which I like because I don't like a film. where you're pretending that people are. in a candle lit, but it's really well.

lit. >> Well, and that's that's an example of. where video actually is is a better. medium to choose. >> because it it like digital loves. darkness. >> and it can do things in darkness that. film just doesn't have the capacity to. do, right? >> And so, it's an excellent choice. When. we did Silent Hill, we made the choice. of whenever we're in the dark, we're. shooting on digital and whenever it's. during daylight, we're shooting on film. >> Oh, >> to create a kind of dissonance between. the two. >> And so, um, and and that's largely.

because digital loves dark. And this is. a great use of it. I'm warming up to it. I like I've been waiting. I bought it. on, uh, on Blu-ray. I I have the movie. I mean, I keep it. It's in that stack. and I've just been waiting to, you know, for the right time to expose it. Expose. myself to it where I'm in the right. mood. >> I loved it. I'm no film expert, but it's. my favorite vampire movie ever. >> Well, that's uh that's that's actually. saying a lot. That's that's incredible. >> I loved it. >> That's incredible. >> My a fun vampire movie is 30 Days of.

Night. >> Yeah, 30 Days of Night is great. Um. >> I love that one, too. It's not as good. as this. This is This is a better. >> I think I Am Legend is actually a pretty. good uh vampire movie. the uh uh the one. with Will Smith. >> Well, they're I thought they were. zombies. >> Well, they're kind of It's a contagion. film. Technically, they're not really. zombies, but they've been turned into. like vampire-like creatures. They're you. in that film. That's a really good one. And then that one that uh uh what's his. name? Titiki Wakataka.

that uh that Polynesian uh director who. did the Thor movie did. Uh god, what was. it called? the um uh. we are I can't remember the name of it, but it's like a comedy version of uh uh. vampires like kind of all living in a. house and and sort of. >> How old is that? >> This was made in sometime in the mid. 2000s, I think. >> H vampires living in a house.

>> What We Do in the Shadows. >> Yeah. What We Do in the Shadows. >> Did you see that? >> Nope. >> That is an incredible vampire movie. It's kind It's kind of like a. mockumentary like where they're they're. >> but it's it takes all of the kind of. vampire mythology and it makes it really. really fun. >> I've never even heard of this. >> It's fantastic. This is his best film. This is I'm sure the foundation of. everything he's done has been on what we. do for me. What we do in the shadows. >> Huh. That's so crazy. I never even heard. of it.

>> Yeah. It it's it's wonderful. >> Show me the trailer, Jamie. We are granted protection for the. subjects in this film. Oh, it's like a. Blair Witch Project type deal. >> It's been like this the whole time. Deacon on dishes and it still hasn't. moved in 5 years. You're a cool guy, but. you're not pulling your weight in the. flat. >> Oh, I'm glad to hear that I'm cool. >> No, that's not the point, though. You're. missing.

>> not a flat meeting about how cool you. are. When you get three vampires in a. [music] flat, obviously there's going to. be a lot of tension. >> Viago was an 18th century dandy. >> Look, a ghost coplav. is a bit of a pervert. >> This is my torture chamber. >> Deacons like the young [music] bad boy. of the group. >> I'm supposed to pay rent, but I don't. [music]. >> The trouble with being a vampire is you.

have to be invited in. You can walk in. >> Will you invite us in? >> We need some fresh. [laughter]. >> The whole movie is like that. It's. fantastic. Oh, that's funny. >> Will you invite us in? >> Just invite us in. The bouncer's like, "No." [laughter]. And they can't do anything about it cuz. they're vampires. >> Let the right one in. >> Oh, okay. That is uh of all the modern. vampire movies, I mean, I haven't seen. the what's his name? Edgar's uh. >> the American version of it.

>> Um no, I hate the American version. The. American version is Let Them In is. terrible. [laughter]. >> It It like I had to wash my eyes. afterwards with another movie. >> I [laughter] didn't mind it. >> I I hated the uh but because I loved the. foreign version. >> The who who which country was it from? >> I think it's Sweden. >> Sweden. It's really good. >> It's it's an outstanding outstanding. film. And the book is fabulous as well. It's a an amazing novel. >> Yeah. I just love a good horror movie. a.

well-made horror movie because it like. the suspension of disbelief is like. inherent to the enjoyment of the film. like you know like just show me show me. how the guy turns into a monster. Show. me. >> Yeah. Make it make it so make it so. And. >> and also you can see you like I mean. they have been making Dracula movies. again and again and again. It seems like. every year there's another vampire movie. coming out or every couple years at. least. And you know there never seems to.

be an exhausted the market never seems. to be exhausted right by it you know. it's uh zombie movies they they continue. making them you know it's like. >> that's the most overused genre is zombie. films zombie films zombie TV shows I. mean how many versions of the walking. dead are there's multiple. >> yeah and I I'm not a big fan of the I. like I mean. >> the beginning was great I think first. season. >> when it started but then I when I. realized oh it's just sadism And that I. mean I get the point after the first. season I realized oh the point is that.

the walking dead are the living. >> They're actually the walking dead. Yeah. Because they've become emotionally. >> I didn't like it when it got into the. point where they were just it was just. murder porn. >> Yeah. And and and that I mean I think I. even talked about this before that like. that's a real problem with television is. that they're just trying to get the. serotonin levels spiked by killing. someone that you care about. M. >> and you know real television you return. because you love the characters and you.

want to return to it. >> Well, sometimes it's done well. Like. Game of Thrones did a fantastic job of. doing that. >> But even that kind of lost its way after. a while. I mean eight seasons. I'm I'm. rewatching it right now. We're actually. on season 3 right now. It's [ __ ]. great. I I kind of forgot how great it. was. But when you get to binge it and. you don't have to wait like like there. was years in between seasons it took so. long to produce. >> Have you seen the Pen Dragon cycle the. um the rise of the Merlin?

>> No. >> Okay. So these days like you almost. don't know where television where to. find television and that's because you. can find it anywhere like and no the. main uh the mainstay producers of it the. studios and everything they're no longer. reliable in producing quality television. and so suddenly uh we see stuff rising. you know out of places that is. completely unexpected and uh this was. produced by the daily wire of all of all.

people. S and the CEO of the Daily Wire. directed it. Uh this guy Jeremy Boring. Yeah, I hope I'm not mispronouncing his. name. His name is Boring. [laughter]. >> But um. >> and this is good. >> Okay, this is to me this is better than. uh you know it's I have a very high. watermark for um uh for Arththeran. mythology. Like to me Excalibur is the. high watermark and this really went.

there. Like I had a chip on my shoulder when I. started watching this. I was like, "Okay, this is very unlikely that I'm. going to enjoy this production." But. they did it for like a for a micro. budget effectively. They made something. that is absolutely kind of reinvents the. mythology and they do it like proper. television where you kind of love the. characters and they they weave an entire. reality and universe that is just. fantastic. And it's done for like, you. know, for very very little. you know,

they're spending billions making uh. these Lord of the Rings things and like. nobody cares. They're just awful to. watch. And in the meantime, these guys. just, you know, without anybody paying. attention cranked this out. And I've. only seen four episodes of it, but I am. like completely blown away by it. >> That's so interesting. The Daily. I think that's part of the problem. Well, that's because well, like we don't. hear about a lot of things and media is.

like the least of it. >> Well, certain [laughter] Right. Good. point. But certainly with the Daily. Wire, the problem is it's like. associated with this right-wing. production. >> If you can get over that and like and. and put that behind you and then uh I. mean this is to me as good as classic. television. It's I my prejudice was. initially, oh, they're going to somehow. or another embed right-wing ideology in. this. >> Well, everybody's embedding their own. ideology there. Whenever you make any.

media, there's usually um you have. corporate propaganda and personal. propaganda. And you're you and usually. there was a balance between the two. You. know, if you're making. Midnight Express, for example, okay, that movie was nothing like the book at. all. >> really. and not not even close to the. book and it it's a complete alternate. experience and you wonder why did that. movie why was that movie such a big. success? Why was that movie such a um. overwhelmingly like Oscars and.

everything? Okay. I think it had a. little bit more to do with the politics. of what was going on with Turkey at that. time than anything else. And and and you. know um what's his name? Billy Hayes who. uh um you know experienced it, lived it, spent the rest of his life basically. apologizing for the movie and uh you. know. >> because none of he wasn't like raped in. a Turkish prison and that's like that's. like a. >> that's like a joke that gets you know.

you know in airplane they're making. jokes about it. >> and so yeah Billy Hayes he was the the. actual character or the person who lived. the experience and uh and so the movie. is a kind of propag propaganda element. and that's like all Hollywood does it. You know, you kind of accept whenever. you're making a movie that you're being. used in a certain level to do something, whether it's to, you know, on a very. basic level, whether it's just to like, you know, mortify or scare audiences or, you know, to to to do things. And we see.

that more and more obviously in media as. the director, the personal propaganda. when you have something personal that. you want to get on screen has become. more and more diminished and you have a. you know sort of more corporate. propaganda kind of taking over. And I. think the the the most probably crass. example of that is DEI stuff uh you know. in movies and pushing. >> uh characters in situations that are. just completely out of whack. Did you. see the Star Trek that they tried to.

make like that? >> Okay, I'm like a big Star Trek guy. I. watch Star Trek every day in my house. We watch like two or three episodes and. I'm not kidding. My wife [laughter] is. like a Treky. She is like crazy for Star. Trek and so she puts Star Trek on, you. know, like at around 5:00 Star Trek. comes on original. Well, uh, we cycle. through, we go chronologically from, uh, you know, the original series through. the next generation and then DS9 and.

then Voyager and then Enterprise and. then we look back to, uh, and sometimes, you know, when you show an episode like. uh, in DS9 there's an episode called. Trials and Tribulations where all the. characters go into the past and they. kind of interact with Trouble with. Tribles and they kind of blend them into. the set and everything that's happening. we'll then go back and watch Trouble. with Tribbles or, you know, uh same. thing with Wrath of Khan. We'll do this, you know. So, we we'll uh we'll kind of. connect it all together. And so, uh but.

every day there's at least two or three. episodes of Star Trek playing in my. house. It's like uh I usually have to. wrestle away the controller to say we're. watching a movie now. >> [laughter]. >> So, and so uh and and my children were. like basically raised on Star Trek and. you know the sort of morals behind Star. Trek and you know uh you know and people. complain about oh you know I don't like. DS9 as much. It's not as dynamic. I hate. Beij and blah blah blah. Uh but I think.

Captain Cisco is one of the most amazing. captains there is because he's also a. father and there's all these like. fatherson lessons that are going on. throughout it. It's like really. elaborate television. And by the way, all that kind of DEI stuff is still in. it. It's still there. There, you know, they're exploring all sorts of things in. Star Trek: The Next Generation, uh. Riker, who's like the uh uh the second. in command to Peard. In in that one, there's an episode where he goes to a a.

planet of neuters that are just, you. know, they have one gender and he falls. in love with one and they kind of waken. up out of their single gender thing and. realize, oh, I'm female. And that person. then gets taken and reprogrammed like. and and then there's an episode where. Cork is turned into a woman in order to. for some cockamame reason that they come. up with in the show and and and he kind. of likes it. he's like getting into it. like so it's not like they aren't. exploring gender and. >> they're not [clears throat] just beating.

you over the head with it. >> It's somehow integrated into good. storytelling. And I think something. happened at uh you know at the studios. where they fired all of the legacy. people and they hired on a bunch of new. people who just weren't as good at. storytelling and or as respectful of the. you know the the canon I guess you could. say is what it was. But you know those. uh seasons of Star Trek are which I. guess you could call the from the Gene.

Rodenberry into the Rick Burman era and. I mean they had such amazing writers. They had guys like Renee Shavaria and. Narin Shankar and uh and they had. technical adviserss and you know so if. you were just into the tech you could. really like you know and and and most of. our technology and most of our. aspirations have come from Star Trek. You know, our telephones are basically, you know, like triers and we're we're. all and you know, when we see it on Star.

Trek, like, oh, we talk to the computer. Well, I want to have that. And so, somebody figures out a way to develop. that and to make it so. And now we have. that. >> Didn't he actually say computer? Like he. would say computer and ask question. >> Yeah. Well, >> hey Siri. Hey Siri. Same thing. >> Yeah. Wow. >> And so it, you know, it it's a I mean, I. think it's a fantastic show. And then. this dweeb Alex Curtsman comes along and. just shits all over everything. Just. like craps all over it. And I mean, I. went in and met with the guy, you know,

I was like, "Hey, I will write for for. scale. I'll, you know, I'll I'll write. on your new show." I like I I just want. to be part of it. >> just as an opportunity to work on Star. Trek. >> And he was and I basically found out he. didn't want anybody who had any kind of. fondness for the original show. M. >> he wanted to do something new and to. create something new. And boy has he. [ __ ] the bed like in a big way. And this. latest thing that he that they've made. this Starfleet Academy now it's still. ongoing. Maybe it writes itself at some.

point. You know, >> I think they canceled it. >> Did they? Good. >> The newest the newest they read The. Room. They read The Room. Finally. >> Is it um if they they didn't they stop. the idea of a season two? That [ __ ]. Alex Curtsman, man. His company is. called uh Secret Hideout. I think he's. going to need a Secret Hideout after all. these like after destroying Star Trek. for like this latest generation. >> Are we talking about the newest one? The. one with Tigaro? That's the newest. >> Starfleet Academy.

>> Starfleet Academy is an abomination. Uh. >> I could not I could not get Yes. I could. not get through three episodes of of. Discovery. And I mean they're just like. it is just awful awful storytelling. Well, it's also clunky dialogue and bad. acting. >> It's just horrible. And they're they're. more interested in um in the corporate. corporate pol in the corporate. propaganda than they are with any kind. of personal propaganda, >> right? It seems like that's the.

imperative that it's like they get. across this. >> inclusive I. was terrible. It was it's was sad. actually. It was just depressing for me. And so like when you know when. >> Seth what's his name did that show the. Orville and like that is like you know. the proper successor like they brought. back guys like James Conroy. the uh. >> but I don't know what the Orville is. >> Uh it was kind of like a comedy version. Seth McFarland did but he hired all the.

original people that they had fired from. Star Trek and basically used them to do. his show. And it actually feels a little. bit more like a like a continuation. >> I I never heard of this either. >> And it's on Hulu. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Is it It is a Star Trek or is it. >> No, it's not Star Trek. It's the. Orville. [laughter] So, they just ripped. off Star Trek. basically just ripped off. Star Trek and they they have a sort of. like tongue and cheek quality but they. they bring all the you know all the. writers from the original and. showrunners and uh you know people like.

that and the original directors like um. you know like Jim Con god I'm like. blanking on his name Con I want to say. Conroy but it's I think it's ah. whatever. Um and uh so they bring. everybody back and it has a little bit. more of the same spirit. Another really. good Star Trekish thing is Galaxy Quest. Something that got kind of buried and. with uh. >> Sigourney Weaver. >> Sigourney Weaver. >> Yeah, that was good. >> Galaxy Quest is hilarious. If you love. the original series of Star Trek, Galaxy.

Quest is amazing. Like it it's so. fantastic. It's. >> I I love Sigourney Weaver. >> Yeah, >> she's one of my all-time favorites. That. that's a good example of a movie that. was like a DEI movie that you never even. noticed it was Alien. >> Like you have a female lead and you you. never think about it. >> We didn't have like powerful women in. movies before. We've like had them. throughout history, right? >> You know, uh the history of cinema is. built on uh you know and and by the way.

a you know a complex woman character can. have faults, >> right? >> Like that's part of it is characters. have faults. characters have things. wrong with them. You know, they're not. always just, you know, like, you know, I, you know, >> dominant and noble. >> Dominant and and like can do everything. immediately. >> Exactly. Like the some of the Star Wars. ones went woke. There was a few of. those. >> Well, yeah. I mean, you know, it's. funny. You had I think it was I think it. was here Ben Affleck was on and they.

were talking about AI and how it always. goes to the middle and well, you know, it always goes to the middle. It always. goes to the middle. And I was like, like. J.J. Abrams always goes to the middle. And boy was that Star Wars. He did the. middle where he just basically took the. Luke Skywalker story and just. reinterpreted it with a strong strong. woman, you know, character. And I I just. thought it was bland and just tasteless. and just, you know, nothing new. He just.

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details. No, no, you just need a. mandate. And the the thing about Alien 2. was like you didn't know who the hero. was. >> Alien 2 or Alien You mean Aliens. >> as well? I mean Alien one. I didn't like. Aliens 2 as much. It was fun, but it was. like why are they so easy to kill now? Why are they so obvious? >> Well, they were, you know, space. marines. And Marines are tough. Marines. are badass. Marines can like and the. first they still overwhelm. >> I know. But the first alien was clever.

He was hiding. He would sneak around. He. would jump. You didn't get to see much. of it. And that was also cool, too, because it kind of captured you with the. suspense. >> It's one of the best movies ever made. And. >> and it's a 1979 movie, too, which is. crazy. People don't even know how old it. is. >> Well, it's funny. I recently went back. and started watching all the Ridley. Scott movies I hadn't seen, you know, like there's a ton of them that I just, you know, kind of missed along the way. And I started off with um uh God, what.

was it? I um Oh, I started off with. Napoleon and like because I just missed. it when it came out. And I'm like, what? What happened to Ridley Scott? It's And. I have not liked any of his recent alien. movies. I just think they're I'm. confused by them to be honest. >> The Prometheus ones. >> It's just like when you need a web. episode in order to understand what the. hell he's talking about in the movie. You failed. And And they're just like. they're high. They're technically. technical marvels. Like nobody shoots.

big canvas cinema like Ridley Scott. Like no one shoots a helicopter crashing. like Ridley Scott shoots a helicopter. crashing. And uh and and you know, you. watch Napoleon and sure the battle. battle of Astrolitz amazing to watch. You know, cannonballs going into the the. lake and the ice breaking and people. falling in the water. But the minute. anybody talks in that movie, it just. collapses on its own weight. It's just. like you just don't care. My wife was.

like, "This is the worst date movie. You're not going to sleep with me after. [laughter] this.". >> What's wrong with it? >> I didn't see it. It's well Walken. Phoenix who and I think he made a choice. because I consider him to be an. excellent actor but in this movie I. think he made a choice to just play it. like you know contemporary. is doing sort of a British or French. accent like they're all kind of. pretending that they're in a in a period. piece but not walking in Phoenix he just.

plays it like he just you know walked. off Hollywood Boulevard really and and. he and it and just like the battle scene. there's no passion in any of his. performance. It's kind of this weird. dead dead performance. And uh and so. >> he did it on purpose to betray like a. sociopath. >> I think he came on he was like I am. going to do whatever I want to do the. way Napoleon would and I and and I'm not. and I'm not going to try I'm a Corsican. and I'm not I'm going to be an outsider. to all of these other people who were I.

think there was an intellectual idea. behind what he did and it completely. failed. So, I'm like, "Okay, I adore. watching Ridley Scott do these big. scenes, but what a terrible movie." And, [laughter]. you know, like failure. And then I So, and so then after that, I'm like, "Okay, let's let's watch something else." Well, oh, he did Exodus. I've never seen that. Gods and Kings with Christian Bale. Same. thing. It's like you start watching that. movie and there's some interesting. things in the film. He's got like. chariot battles and you know archers.

shooting things and like you know. whenever he's doing that like Ridley. Scott's like oh this is my day on set. and he's got a cigar and 20 cameras you. know put cameras everywhere and he's. like shoot from every angle and he's. like a like a great general you know uh. uh shooting but the minute anybody talks. that movie falls apart and actually I. mean I don't know how to say this but. that movie almost did its best to turn. me on the Jews. Like I'm watching it and. I'm like this is like first of all is. anybody even Jewish making this? Like it.

seems like nobody involved in it was was. Jewish and like they start like you know. >> how is that even possible? >> Well Moses as a character when he's uh. an Egyptian when he's like the adopted. Egyptian brother. I'm like totally with. him for some reason. and he becomes. Moses after getting like hit in the head. with a rock and uh and all of a sudden. he's uh you know kind of he's like a. lunatic and like you're like everybody's. following him like he's like he's.

distaste he's distasteful all of a. sudden and but every now and then they. would show a battle scene and it's like. okay I [sighs] can like Ridley Scott's. doing his thing again but like and you. know who's also really good in it is um. God I can't remember Joel Edertton who. plays Ramsy's It's really funny because. Joel Edertton is, you know, usually you. imagine Egyptians when they're cast as. being kind of tall and, you know, sort. of noble looking and everything. He's. kind of like this butch, like sort of. tough, you know, widebodied butch uh.

Ramsay's like just kind of like a tough. Ramsey's. And every now and then his. Australian accent comes out. So he's. like, "Oh, he's like an Australian. Ramsey's." And John Touturo plays his. his father uh who you know a bald I'm. like is that John Turo? Like what a. crazy choice this is. And so there were. all sorts of like interesting things. going on in the movie. But again I was. like oh this is awful. >> Is it impossible for you to watch a. movie without just becoming hyperritical.

about all these different aspects like. how I would do it? What I don't like? >> Yes and no. So, the next Ridley Scott. movie I watched, which I stayed away. from and with great apologies to Matt. Damon and Ben Affleck, was The Last. Duel. And I just kind of avoided it. I. was doing other things at the time. And. the poster looked awful and I was like, I'm not going to go see that. And then I. uh I I I put it on after watching these. other two and I was like, okay, here we. go. Let's go again. And lo and behold,

one of the best films of the century in. my opinion. Absolutely. First of all, those guys know how to write a script. And I know that they wrote it with. Nicole Hoffen or whatever her name is. >> And look at And look at Ben Affleck. Like when I saw him blonde, I was like, that's one of the reasons it kept me. away from it, but he's hilarious in the. movie. He's a genius in the film. >> I never even heard about this. >> I was gripped by this film. And this is. a great date movie. Like this, my wife. got turned on after this film,

[laughter]. believe it or not. That's hilar. I don't know anything. about that. >> And Adam Driver is magnificent and like. this relationship that these two guys. have and it's kind of a Rashimon story. meaning that uh like Akira Kurasawa's. Rashimon which was three stories that. are all sort of the same event told from. different perspectives. And so and Matt. Damon is like a revelation. And this. movie says so much about Hollywood. Like. when I watched this I was like okay I'm. Matt Damon and Quentyn is uh Adam Driver.

for sure. Like Adam Driver totally knows. how to like you learn about Hollywood in. this film and I'm sure they're writing. it like knowing about Hollywood that the. way to really get along in court is to. join the orgies, you know, to be in the. orgy with everybody is like how you get. along. It's like uh uh we all [ __ ]. together and that's how we do it. But. Matt Damon, who by all accounts in this. is a great, you know, he's a fighter. He's a great knight. He had he's true in. his heart, but he's just a like a pill.

to hang out with and he doesn't go to. the orgies. And because of that, he's. just kind of marginalized. And the whole. movie plays off of this friendship that. just kind of goes ary where jealousy. comes into play and uh and and it's. ruinous to everything until they're. finally fighting in the very end. And. this is where Ridley Scott just does. what he does, which is he has this. insane fight between these two guys, which like was just every blow was. painful to look at. And this to me was.

the best Ridley Scott movie I've seen of. the century. I mean, I guess Blackhawk. Down. I also very much like Gladiator, although Gladiator 2. I throw that in. I. never saw that. >> Throw that in with Exodus Gods and. Monsters. It was actually boring to. watch. I loved Gladiator 1, though. >> Gladiator 1 is magnificent. It had some. kind of secret sauce in it that was. fantastic. And Gladiator 2, it it just. kind of goes through the paces. It's. just kind of everybody shows up. Speaking of showing up, when Sigourney.

Weaver shows up in uh Exodus Gods and. Monsters, she's not even trying at all. She knows that she's there for a. paycheck. Like, she just shows up and. she's just like does not put on an. accent of any kind. She just shows up. and just speaks the lines and I'm out of. here. I'm going into Morocco or whatever. into [laughter] into town. I'm going to. go party for a while. >> You think she just thought it was a bad. film and just checked out? >> I'm not sure what she was thinking, but. like she may have been thinking what uh. I mean, maybe she was trying, but I.

don't It just didn't look like it. It. just looked like she was. >> Well, that's got to be a weird thing. when an actor makes a choice with a. character and it just doesn't work and. they don't realize it, but they're. committed to it. And the other Ridley. Scott movie that I just watched that I. hadn't seen. Again, I avoided it partly. because of the um uh the title of the. film and there just nothing excited. I. thought it was a comedy. In fact, I'd. been avoiding it. It was on my plex. There it is. I I look at the thing, it. looks like a comedy. It's got um Javier.

Bardam and Cameron Diaz and they're all. kind of Javier Bardam looking exactly. like Robert Downey Jr. like in it. Like. just kind of this crazy Robert Downey. Jr. his crazy phase, you know, with like. colorful glasses and everything. Robert. Downey Jr. with like a broken up nose or. whatever is going on with that nose. And. um okay, so I put on the counselor and. this So looking at that, I thought this. was a comedy. I thought, "Oh, it's going. to be a romantic comedy." This movie. after I saw it, I was like, I feel like.

I've seen too much. >> I feel like I know too much now about. the world. like it's it and and it and. it h and it's made like right before you. and I think this movie was kind of a. disaster for Ridley Scott and he uh you. know had to recover from it I probably. because of the the failure of it but. >> I never even heard of it. It's written. um by um uh oh my god um Corormick. McCarthy and so so it is dark dark dark. and it is a an analysis of how power.

works in the modern world. >> which is basically a giant cartel. The. cartel runs everything and you cannot. escape the cartel and it is such a. specta I think that's such a spectacular. movie. >> I loved it. I loved it. When did that. come out? >> Like 2014, I think. >> 2013. >> 2013. Did you ever hear of it, Jamie? >> I don't think so. I'm. >> There's too much content. Well, there's. too much content. And yet, really, Scott.

and he's cranking out movies like every. year he's doing a movie. It's like just. knocking them back. Knocking them back. He's constantly making films. And so, that was why I hadn't uh and so finally. I was like, well, I got to catch up on. some Ridley Scott. and and Quinton had. been talking about uh Blackhawk Down and. how much he loved it and how he thought. it was the best film of the century and. you know he's largely correct that's not. a bad uh I could have done without the. UNICEF commercial at the very beginning.

where it's just like you know a little. UNICEF commercial about people starving. in Africa and Somalia but uh the rest of. the movie is just insanely beautiful and. so I wanted to check out all the movies. I hadn't seen of is and and so that's. why I started researching them and. looking them up again and like the. counselor how did that fall through the. cracks and it gets terrible reviews like. people hated the film apparently and. >> what's the criticism. >> uh people like I think they they were. just like we don't believe it they just. don't believe that that's what the world.

is like and you know I found the film to. be like uh. >> do you think that's just because of the. time period it was released I think it. was more innocent. >> I think Ridley Scott knows things that. and Cormick McCarthy know things about. the world that they put on film before. everything was known. Like I think if. that movie was released today, people. would be like, "Yeah, >> that's what's happening today.". >> Yeah. >> And so yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, they're. putting people in sulfuric acid into uh. milk into drums. What the [ __ ].

>> And shipping them around the world, you. know, as a joke, you know, like. >> that's in the film. >> Yeah. There's also. >> Did you see the thing in the Epstein. files? >> Oh, yeah. like I've seen files. In fact, I can't believe that like everybody just. kind of like, "Oh, okay." And they're. moving on with their lives. Did you see. that guy at the Atlanta airport uh. flipping out the well-dressed black dude. who just freaks out at in the Atlanta uh. just like a couple of days ago on uh I. saw it on YouTube. No, I saw it on.

Twitter or X. And uh this guy's just. freaking out in the Atlanta airport. He's like, "Yeah, I read the Upstate. Files. It's like all of you, you're. going about your lives like nothing's. happening. Look at you're all zombies. And he's right. It's like Invasion of. the Body Snatchers. Everybody is just. numb to everything. Like, dudes, we had. a global pandemic. Uh, aliens. Uh, you. know, all these like revelations. People. are, you know, eating babies. Uh,

>> here. This is a guy. AND ALL OF Y'ALL ARE ACTING NORMAL. ALL. >> And there's a longer version of that. where he's but he's basically like. you're all acting like nothing's. happening. Like what the [ __ ] You know, you're all just pretending you're just. drones going on in your. >> waiting for a condensed version that. lays out all the facts. It's the people. that are like really interested in. reading all the emails.

>> I think the Luciferians uh cast a spell. on the world. And. >> for real? >> Oh, absolutely. like, you know, it's. just like how vampires can't go into a. house unless they're invited. They tell. you, you know, what's going on ahead of. time. It's predictive programming. And. once you say it out loud and you put it. out there and make fun of it and do a. little skit, like they like Steven. Colbear did a little skit on his show. where, oh, here's a baby. I'm going to. take this baby and I'm going to give it. to Moolok. And he goes into like a.

cloudy red uh, you know, furnace and. hands the baby over and, oh, the baby's. going to be fine. and they make a joke. about it and the audience laughs. Okay, we're all now conditioned to it. We've. all seen it and by laughing at it, we. were complicit. >> You think that that's a that's on. purpose that this is like some sort of a. grand design to get us to be. desensitized to the idea of demons. eating babies? >> Yeah, for sure. >> Really? >> For sure. >> And and by the way, nobody's doing. anything about it. We know what's. happening. >> But that has to take like there has to.

be a person or some group of people. >> Yeah. like about about 8,500 people. >> Yeah. >> That are manipulating the Cobar show. >> That are manipulating everything. It's. all an illusion. >> Like reality as we know it is fake. That's that's the revelation that that. guy is having. And he's looking around. and he's like it's like Invasion of the. Body Snatchers. Well, it's s See, I. don't The thing about the emails is one. of the things is it's just stuff written.

down. And so that's sort of hard to. digest. Like what is this? Like what are. they saying? Like some of it is in code. like walking over beef jerky. Like. saying talking about jerky. Could you. walk beef jerky over to this person? Like what does that mean? >> For all this pizza they're talking. about. You never see any pizza. >> Right. >> I'm going to get I'm going to get some. gr soda. It's like with my cheese pizza. Yeah. And like there's all this coded. language and everyone's like, you know,

oh that's uh you're just you just have. parola, you know, the uh you're just. seeing things where you want to see. them. >> No, there's clearly a code. Well, that. was the thing about absolutely a. [clears throat] code. And in fact, mundice vault de ergo. It's a long known. concept. And so in Latin, Mundis dei. means the world wants to be deceived. Ergo. Therefore, it is. >> we want to be deceived. We We don't want.

to believe the horrors that are actually. behind the veil. >> Well, I think with the Epstein files, people are because of these emails that. have been released, people are just now. starting to be aware of the. bizarness of the code and some of the. thing like the facts like let's just. talk about the sulfuric acid. So, this. was like right after he was indicted in. 200. >> Yeah, I gotta get rid of some bodies. >> Yeah. [laughter]. How much did. >> dissolve up some bodies?

>> What did it say he ordered? Like, let's. uh. >> like 8,000 gallons. Maybe we can get our sponsor Perplexity. to process this and uh give us a. synopsis of what exactly happened, some. sort of a breakdown. Because one of the. things they're saying is like he was. indicted and then right after he's. indicted, he orders how many gallons? >> Six 55 gallon containers full of.

sulfuric acid. >> Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Um. >> what what. >> they're eating babies, man. Like that's. the. >> So that that you think is real. So. >> Well, yeah. Not only that, I think that. there's uh you know, sacrifices going on. every day in Los Angeles. I mean, you. know, allegedly like, you know, uh, uh, highlevel, uh, musicians, let's say, high level.

female musician, uh, is like, you know, killing chickens every day, doing. sacrifices, like, you know, >> high level. >> Well, I I don't want to say I don't want. to say names because I don't want to get. sued and I I don't want to be dead. either. >> What does it rhyme like? Here's the. purchase order. I go I start looking at. the comments for some stuff. Not that. this is the best answer, but a quick. answer someone gives is that uh this. could be for like a reverse osmosis. water treatment system. >> True. He is on an island. I mean, there's enough there's enough uh push. back because Mundus vultip ergo.

dissipator. >> you know we we but like the timing of. all of that like you know where are the. purchase orders for all of that sulfuric. acid before then? Oh no, I just want to. put sulfuric acid into my swimming pool. Muriatic acid. >> Well, that's the question. Was there. orders for sulfuric acid before this? if. they do have a water treatment plan. Why? How does sulfuric acid play into. water treatment? >> It says it here. It says it's commonly. used. This explains it. I don't [ __ ]. know. >> Okay. It says R O plant reverse osmosis.

seawater desalination facility. Sulfuric. acid is commonly used in the maintenance. of such facilities. Not everything you. don't understand adds up to the worst. possible thing. It could be. >> deception. >> Look, maybe they're all eating pizza and. grape soda. How many who is that guy. that's. >> How many billionaires do you know that. you like sit down and eat lots of pizza. and grape soda and ice cream? >> This is weird. Trial warrior. >> I was just I just that's why I just go a. grain of salt. This is just a a. plausible answer. I don't know that it. is the answer. I could even be wrong. >> Okay. So, does he have a desalination.

plant on the island? >> Oh, it's a reverse. >> Oh, yeah. For sure. He is. He has a. >> He had everything. He had a dump and. like they had all sorts of stuff. So. that's tunnels and. >> so they were using that. So they're. taking sea water and converting it into. fresh water for what? For irrigation or. for drinking for all the above. >> One similar email that he wrote to. someone said that like his around his. island is like Damascus. And I'm like. what the [ __ ] does that mean? He was. like it's you go explore buried [ __ ].

around my island or what I what else. could he mean by that? >> Huh? What does that mean? >> I don't know. I mean, that's they say a. lot of things and they're not really. coding it very much. >> Well, the code it's glaringly obvious. when they say pizza and when they say. jerky. That's glaringly obvious. How do. you walk jerky? >> Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? >> And why do I need a chilled container. to, you know, a chilled bag or whatever. they say? >> Jesus Christ. >> You know, and and. >> so you think they're eating babies? >> Oh, yeah. I absolutely believe that.

>> You should get together with Kurt. Matzer. You two [laughter] would go. crazy. I don't doubt it for a second. >> I think and I think this dates back. like, you know, a long long time. Dates. This is Moolok worship. >> Oh, well, there was the other uh email. that said, "Thank you for the torture. video. I enjoyed the torture video.". >> Yeah. >> And it's like people just they don't. >> they don't want to accept it. Like. people don't want to believe it. They. don't want to accept it.

>> Okay. Uh some commentary notes that a. remote island with water treatment and. energy systems could plausibly stockpile. such quantities for a one to two years. of operations. Although others argue. that using it directly for reverse. osmosis as stated in one social post is. technically questionable for membrane. health. Hm. Highly corrosive, strong mineral acid. that can severely burn skin, eyes, dehydrate, and char organic material. Which is why it features. >> in both legitimate industrial processes.

and in darker hypotheticals. online. >> Darker hypotheticals. >> Darker hypotheticals is where I'm. leaning. When you get indicted for sex. trafficking and then you order six drums. of sulfuric acid right away, are you. really worried about your reverse. osmosis plant right after you get. indicted? I feel like you know you're. going to jail. >> It looks like a duck and it quacks like. a duck. It's probably a duck. >> It's probably a duck. 330 gallons of sulfuric acid.

>> It says this was the only documented. purchase order for it. I I came out here. last time and I talked about, you know, the the pedto cult inside of the Cubric. film. >> Yes, by the way, that went viral. >> and I got so much blowback from that. You know, the online critics are like, "No, no, there's nothing in there.". Mundus Vault SAP. They don't want to see. it. They don't want they don't want to. see those two guys walking away with. that girl in the end. They just like, "No, no, it's it wasn't in the. Schnitzler novel and blah blah blah." I. mean, dude, look at that movie. It's.

about a cult. Like, what are you talking. about? It's a secret cult. And in fact, uh, Sydney Lamett's character even says. at one point, you know, uh, do you know. what these people do? I'm not going to. tell you what they do, but let me tell. you, if I told you what they do, they. would like scare the hell out of you. >> I mean, like, that's after he's been to the place and. seen everybody walking around at the in. the sex club. I mean, it's obviously. there's obviously more going on in that. movie, but people don't want to see it. I like like I had what was it? New York.

magazine or whatever went so far as to. like, you know, aggressively trying to. get me to debunk it and uh which is. fine, which is fine. It's just an. interpretation of a movie, >> right? But that that interpretation. resonated. I mean, that clip went very. very viral, >> especially now. It's like people are. like uh looking at it and they're like, well, you know, he was obviously saying. something. Even if you extract that out. of the movie, he's obviously saying. something about people at high levels of. power. Well, there's always been weird.

secret groups and rituals. >> Yeah. >> And it's one of the ways to ensure that. you're compromised. You'll stay. >> It's a confidence operation. Yes. And so. what you do is you find somebody when. they're young and they're, you know, less inhibited and and they, you know, or uninhibited and you catch them doing. something that is illegal and maybe you. even provide the mechanism for that to. happen. And then once it's happened, you.

uh you now have the the video proof or. the audio proof or whatever proof you. have. You've got proof of it and you. show it to them and you say, "Look, this. is uh what we have on you and uh and we. can ruin you at any minute, but you know. what we're going to do? We're going to. give you $20,000 a month or we're going. to give you $20 million a year, whatever. level that is instead, and you're going. to work for us." And uh and and what. else explains some of these people who. were so flipped out about like you know.

about Trump like he's a he's a pot he's. a like there it's over the top. It's you. know what it's it's strange how people. are how people behave in uh um regarding. that it's. >> don't you think that's also just because. the Democratic party didn't want him to. get into power because he was a complete. outsider. I don't think there are. parties. >> I don't think there there I think that's. all an illusion. Also, I think. everything that you think that it is is.

an illusion. >> It's all fake. I don't think that any. history before 1600 I think everything. has been uh falsified before the year. 1600. >> How so? >> Well, um there's this guy Anatoli Fenco. who's a Russian mathematician and. historian and he wrote a book called The. New Chronology. It's actually a series. of books. It's like six volumes and I've. read them all and [laughter]. and and um and and also his addendum.

book, the new chronology. He has an. addendum book about it and uh he. basically says that uh all of history. has been changed. About a thousand years. have been added to the timeline in order. to justify land claims. And those land. claims largely have to do with uh. Eurasian the Eurasian horde and the. elimination of the Eurasian horde by uh. collusion between uh you know the. Vatican, the uh Romanovs, the uh.

>> So you mean like the Mongols and the. Huns? Yeah, there was a and if you look. on very very old maps, you see that. there used to be a country called. Tartaria that was uh that was in. existence and at a certain point they. wiped them out. And so his theory and. it's just a theory. It's just a posit. But when you see how history is. constantly being rewritten in real time, it's not so hard to believe. And then he. uses you know uh um astronomical uh.

evidence and you know mathematically. kind of proves it and he basically says. that uh let's see if I can get this. right that um uh Rome and Greece and you. know those uh and Egypt were um actually. active till around 1600 and that Rome. actually fell around [snorts] 1600. kind. of imagine or more like late 1400s 1492. >> as opposed to what's the conventional. timeline. >> uh about a thousand years before and so.

and so you know if you can wrap your. head around it the Salem witch trials. >> took place around the same time as the. Inquisition. >> Columbus was discovering America around. the time Rome fell and that uh all of. this was designed to justify and or to. uh erase this entire civilization from. history. And then there are people who. believe that there are a lot of. buildings that are still in existence. that uh that were this they uh they they. claim that uh Jesus Christ was I can't.

remember um the emperor's name. It's. kind of a composite story. There's a. number of uh. >> so they think a thousand years are. missing from the timeline. >> Yeah. Think about it. If you're a. Byzantine guy and you're like, "Hey, I. want to move to the country." and you. look over at uh France, let's say, and. Germany, and and you're like, "Yeah, there's all these like indigenous. peoples there, and we want to wipe them. out." So, you hire, you know, a. mercenary. You hire a guy named. Charlemagne, and you get him to go in. there and kill all the chieftains in one. day. Like 5,000 chieftains were killed.

in a single day, apparently, by. Charlemagne. And you completely wipe out. everything. And then you move in, you. become Jerome uh the Jerome the first. and you run Paris or you begin, you. know, France. And what it really is is. just land. It's and so you add time to. the timeline in order to justify that. land claim because what makes more sense. that history was cruising along like. this and then suddenly flatlined for a. thousand years and then picked up again? Or does it make more sense that somebody.

took that time that the dark ages and. kind of added added to the timeline. >> So I'm I'm confused. So but isn't there. like documented history from multiple. cultures about that time period? >> Yeah. But it's all like you know written. down by the Jesuits who were completely. in the control of uh you it's that. history history is easily changed and in. fact we see history being changed before. our eyes in real time and so the deep.

past is is easy to change. >> So we're not in 2026. No, we're like in. the 1700s. [laughter]. >> Oh Jesus. >> Oh my god. >> Just a theory. It's just this guy Antony. Anton an anti. uh Fnco and uh and it's a very. interesting theory. And so I read that. and I kind of had a tent pole collapse. I was like, well, holy crap. >> Explain to me the flatness. Like what do. you mean by history goes up and then.

flattens? Well, the progression the. progression of humanity through history. as we kind of are progressing as we go. and then all of a sudden there's this. flatline called the dark ages where. nothing happened. >> Is there a conventional explanation for. this. >> flatline for a thousand years? >> The the collapse of Rome and uh and. falling into barbaris the time of. barbarism. >> That's not plausible. >> Everything is plausible. It's plausible. that sulfuric acid is used for RO uh.

reverse osmosis uh water cleaning and so. everything is possible. >> The question is is it probable? And. >> well Jamie just pulled up that that was. the first time they had ever ordered. that. >> Oh. Oh really? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So well there it is. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> That's not good. >> Yeah. That's not good. I mean that's the. least of the things. The thing is we. become desensitized to stuff. I mean. look at everything that has happened in. the last six years. It it's like an. insane amount of stuff has happened and. everyone's just kind of like numb to it. >> Well, they get and I think it literally.

is that people's brains have been fried. >> You think by co vaccines? >> Yeah, for sure. >> Well, there's some scientific evidence. that for some people at least it crossed. the bloodb brain barrier and had some. sort of a detrimental effect on their. cognitive function. mRNA is. reprogramming your your your system. and uh and we're I think look and we've. been looking at a giant die off of. people. People are collapsing left and. nothing is normal anymore. I mean that.

guy at the airport who's flipping out. That's what he's realizing. He's having. a sudden awakening and he's tweaking. over it. He's like and he he's looking. around and no one cares. >> Everyone just wants to like, you know, get through their day. Everyone wants to just make their next. movie and maybe they'll let me make. their next movie and everybody wants to. just, you know, I just want to keep. going at my job and I just want to do my. thing and I just want to protect my. thing. >> There's certainly a lot of that going. on. >> The British only care about as long as I. have my daily pint at the end of the. day. That's all they care about. You.

know, they'll in the meantime their. entire country is being overtaken and. overrun by like when else in history has. this happened and ended well. [laughter]. >> No. Well, it's so shocking how quickly. it's happening in England that you just. go, how do you bounce back from this? Like, what is the remedy? >> Yeah. >> Because they're they're doing this mass. arrest thing with social media posts, which is bizarre. It's bizarre to watch. And then they eliminate jury trials for.

anything other than like murder and. rape. >> If you say anything, you're in jail. If. you post, if you repost anything, you're. just immediately sent to jail. Look at. what's going on in Canada right now, you. know, with. >> Carney. >> I mean, like, I think that's insane. what's going on. And most Canadians are. just kind of vibing along with it. Nobody wants to rock the boat. Nobody. wants to be racist. Nobody wants to be. uh you know, nobody wants to be. discriminatory in any kind of way. Rightfully so, like, you know, you and. you want to believe that your leaders. are are taking care of you and they're.

not. And it's over. We've lost. It's. over. I mean, >> you think it's over here in America as. well? >> Well, it got slowed down a little bit. It got slow whether you like Trump or. not. And I'm not like a I don't really. like anybody, but it. >> that's a healthy perspective. >> It definitely added a road bump. >> in the in in the actions of the cabal of. the Clintons and the Obamas and and.

their the bankers that that control. them. And that's when you see the movie. uh the counselor that's what you realize. is that wow the cartels are the banks. and they are law enforcement and they. are the media and they are everything. and there is no fighting it. >> and there is no individually fighting it. like there's nothing any of us can do. >> that is. >> and I don't mean to be I mean the only. thing you can do is uh you know affect. what's happening around you locally.

within the moment But don't you think. that more people are aware of what's. going on right now? There's more push. back than ever before and so there's a. possibility that it could be stopped. >> Yeah. Look at that guy. Look at that guy. in the airport though. Nobody Everyone's. like he's crazy. Like yelling at a. [ __ ] airport. I would think he's. crazy, too. If I was there waiting for. my flight to go visit my parents and. there's some [ __ ] guy yelling out the. Epstein f. You're just living your life. Like, yeah, what do you want me to do, dude? I'm I'm headed to Florida right. now. Invasion of the Body Snatchers was. about McCarthyism and what was going on.

at that time. And both. >> Really? >> Oh, yeah. It was The original Invasion. of the Body Snatchers was all about. McCarthyism. And. >> I'm the I'm a fan of the Donald. Southerntherland one. >> Well, and look at And look at how that. ends. That ends with you're walking. through the streets pretending to be, >> you know, like you're you're just. pretending to not be an alien, hoping. that you can get by. And then, you know, the minute you show any kind of emotion, that's it. You're caught. And then. they're going to make you go to sleep. And uh and so I mean.

>> so that the original script was written. about McCarthy as well. >> The original uh um the original film. Yeah. The Kevin McCarthy uh movie. >> Okay. So. >> and in the end, look how that movie. ends. That movie ends with him like that. guy in the airport on the street, you. know. They're, you know, they're it's. it's they're aliens. You basically, you. know, running through the street just in. traffic and people just keep driving. I don't remember the original one. I. might not have even seen it, >> but the Southerntherland one was. amazing. I never would have thought that.

that's what it was about. >> I mean, I we're experiencing a kind of. Bolevik revolution at the moment right. now. So, >> in what way? >> Well, there's a rise of bullsheism. You. know, it's like we see it we see it. occurring. And. >> how do you define bullsheism? Well, uh, it's the. Bolsheviks were [laughter]. essentially a kind of, uh, uh, I mean, it's it's it it's it's not correct to. say communism, but it's basically a a.

kind of authoritarianism, you know, in the guise of egalitarianism. and and helping the world that we're all. going to be equal and everything, but it. >> and they were socialism. Yeah. they were. murdering Christians and socialist and. you know we're very very close to that. now. We're very very we're on we're. standing on civilization is standing on. the precipice at the moment. And by the. way uh you know after this podcast comes. out, people are going to be like, "Oh, Avery's crazy. Avery went to jail.

Avery's a you know a killer." They're. going to say all sorts of [ __ ] about me. to discredit anything that I say. And. that's fine. like I'm easy to discredit. and so it's not really my right to speak. up anymore about anything. And so. >> you're a human being. It's always your. right to speak up. >> Well, it it is but uh. >> they can eat [ __ ]. >> As I look as I look around like. civilization is on the precipice and you. know mostly good people tend to not take.

action against stuff. >> until they have to. >> until they have to. We were talking. about this yesterday actually um with. Cheryl Hines and I was saying I think we. were talking about this I was talking. about this recently where I was saying. that it's almost like we need something. like a 9/11 to wake us up like I would. never want that to happen but I do. remember that after 9/11 we were united. cuz we realized oh threats are real. danger is real like we we really do need. to be united as one group a community.

and and recognize that that we are. brothers andist sisters in the streets. are not our problem. And. >> yeah, but we even know about 9/11 now. that like so much of it was like we. building 7 thermite like the evidence is. there for anyone to look at. >> Nobody wants to look at. >> and nobody wants to look at it because. and that is. >> nobody wants to look into the conspiracy. like how did these guys get a hold of. these planes? How did they fly into the. building? Who why were the the dancing.

Israelis watching it cheering it on? Why. did they get, you know, shipped out of. the country? >> Yeah. And that guy who uh who owned the. building, who bought it, who took out it. like the insurance policy and then, you. know, had uh Elliot Spitzer kind of push. it through and force it through so that. he could receive his billions in. insurance claim. because they wanted to tear because they. wanted to tear down that building and it. would have been too expensive to do and. all the asbestous and everything. So, hey, not to just destroy it. >> It's like what was that building. housing? Like building seven? Building 7.

was housing all sorts of it was like was. an IRS uh I mean. >> NSA. >> Yeah, it was NSA and. >> what was in building 7? Let's find that. out so we don't just. >> I think but there was certainly some. intelligence and data that was being. collected in building the the the fact. that no one wants to admit that that. building fell like a controlled. demolition is really crazy. And again, I'm not saying it's a controlled. demolition, but the fact that people. want to say no, it wasn't like a.

controlled demolition. Like, when was. the last time you ever saw a [ __ ]. building collapse like that ever? Only. controlled demolitions. There's been. many buildings that have been very badly. damaged and lit on fire, but their frame. remains. >> Reputable structural engineers have. basically also proven the towers could. not have fallen the way they fell. without uh explosives. Um, you know, pre-planned explosives. Okay. >> And the people on the scene, the the. rescuers on the scene, the people who. were there said, "Yeah, I heard. explosion." Boom, boom, boom, boom. And.

they're describing the sounds of uh. controlled demolition. >> US Secret Service floors 9 through 10. CIA, the Department of Defense sharing. the 25th floor with the IRS and the. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. Like you put all that together, CIA, Department of Defense, IRS, you know, who thinks any of those people have your. [laughter]. >> like also if you wanted data, >> you wanted to destroy data, like didn't. the part of the Pentagon that got hit,

wasn't and that was also a day after. Rumsfeld was saying that there was. trillions of dollars that were. unaccounted for. >> Yeah. >> Didn't the accounting part of the. Pentagon get hit by that air quotes? >> Yeah. Yeah. That that plane that was. that plane that came in very. >> Jamie screen last. >> the building contained about 24,000. gallons of diesel fuel for generators. used by tenants like Solomon Brothers. and the emergency command center floors. 46 through 47 and parts of the lower. level were mechanical spaces while files.

from federal investigations. uh secret service cases were stored. there but lost in the collapse. >> and the SEC. >> And the SEC whoopsies. And has the world. been the same since then? >> The SEC like having that there too. Boy, that's super convenient. Guys, we lost. the data. Let's just start from scratch. >> There's no case anymore. Whatever they. were doing. >> and yet nobody wants to accept it. Nobody. And nobody cares. Video of it. That is like really shocking. I had this.

real really dumb guy on the podcast once. that was uh a skeptic, a professional. skeptic, and he was really angry with me. for saying that it looked like a. controlled demolition. You you know, you're. >> you're promoting a dangerous conspiracy. theory. I'm like, "No, I'm saying it. looks like you're saying it doesn't look. like a control. Let's watch it." I'm. like, "Let's watch it. Let's it falls.". >> Conspiracy theorists have had a pretty. good run lately. >> Let's watch it. Let's watch building 7. collapse because it's kind of kooky. Now, one thing that people do point out.

that is true is that the center, like. there was a a small structure at the top. of the roof, building 7, that collapses. first, and it does it like I think a. minute before the actual building. >> These are skirt built. These are skirt. buildings. And what that means is that's. actually the most structurally sound. part of the building. The rest of the. movie is a facade that's hanging off of. the inner building. >> Yeah. The that's the the most sound part. of the building. is built over a con. Edison substation requiring large. transfer trusses on lower floor floors.

to support the tower above creating long. span floors vulnerable to thermal. expansion. Long unsupported floor beams. and girders up to 50 ft connected to. critical in critical interior columns. like column 79 with sheer studs that. failed under fire induced lateral loads. rather than just gravity. >> It was the automanual flip-flop. The. exterior tube frame provided stiffness, but the open interior layout lacked. redundancy to prevent fire induced.

progressive collapse with connections. not designed for horizontal thermal. forces. Okay, that's a cute way of saying that's. why it fell at freef fall speed and. looks like a controlled demolition. Cuz. if that was my building, I would say, give me my [ __ ] money back. You made. this [ __ ] ass building. This building. got lit on fire and just collapsed on. itself. Let's watch it collapse because. the way it collapses is so kooky because. it really does it at freef fall speed or.

close to it. It's strange. Like there's. never been a building that looks that. intact that falls like that. It's weird, man. I mean, it's [ __ ] weird. Anybody. that says it's not weird, look, this is. how it happened. It's weird. Now, the planes hitting. tower one and tower two. >> Okay, that makes more sense to me. Does. it? Yeah. Does it? Yeah, because it fell. from the top down like it looks normal.

It doesn't collapse into its base. Tower. 7 collapses into its base. The way to. >> How about the testimony of people saying. they heard multiple pop pop explosions? Is that just girder snapping? >> It could be. Yeah. I mean, you got to. think you have immense immense amounts. of weight and it is collapsing. So, if. it does collapse the way it looks, it's. collapsing from the top down. It's not. going to be silent. You're going to hear. tremendous explosions. When concrete. hits the slabs below it, it's going to. sound like explosions. Also, you have. the fog of war, right? So, you have.

these people that are involved in. extremely traumatic situation and their. memory is very [ __ ] Like, your memor. is [ __ ] when you experience something. like this. You remember things funny. You have confirmation bias. There's a. lot of weird stuff that happens. So, this is the this is the explanation that. a piece of the plane falls down and hits. that building. >> Big tower on top. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. A piece of. the uh building I meant to say. Sorry. So, that that piece of the building. falls down and not a plane obviously the.

hits the building next to it, tower 7. And that gash. >> is all it took to take that building. down. That's super suspect. And I do. know that there was a fire inside the. building. I'm sure. I'm sure there was. But the way it fell was crazy. That see. tower one and tower two. It's like I. don't know what happens when a jet flies. into a a building like that. Neither do. you. And also you got to deal with. corrupt construction companies, cutting. corners, not doing things up to code. Perhaps. Perhaps I'll give you that.

I'll be super charitable. But with. building seven, I'm like, come on, man. That's weird. That one's [ __ ] weird. because it doesn't fall like one and. two. One and two fall from where the. impact was, the deterioration of the. structure, the weight of what's above. the impact. It falls down on it and you. see a progressive collapse from the top. to the bottom. Tower 7 is nuts. Tower 7. just drops. Just drops all at once. Free.

sp free freef fall speed into its base. That's weird. >> Yeah. Anybody that doesn't think that's. weird is being naive. >> Yeah, >> that's never happened before to a. building that hasn't been a controlled. demolition. Again, not saying it it's a. controlled demolition. Maybe it's. accurate that these enormous drums of. diesel are creating this fire. unprecedented load on the structure of. the building. >> But see, even that with everything else. that occurred, with all the tangental. stuff that's occurred, you're still.

like giving the benefit of the doubt. will have suspension. But I'm saying. right now, I was trying to finish that. fire is not on every floor uniformly. So. why is it collapsing uniformly from the. top down into the base? Why doesn't the. base where you have this incredible fire. load, why doesn't that weaken and it. fall over sideways because it no longer. has structure anymore? Why is it every. floor has the same amount of damage and.

it gives in at the exact same time? That. kind of doesn't make sense because the. fire is not uniform throughout the. building. It's not like the the building. is one gigantic flame ball and then it. all gives out at the same time. But even. then, I would think it would tip over. It would fall to the side. Falling into. its base. That seems to indicate some. sort of a control. Like it was done. uniformly. They time it. When you watch. like in Vegas when they blow up a. casino, it's like.

and then it does that. >> Let's watch watch an actual controlled. demolition. >> So when you watch an actual controlled. demolition, it looks just like that. It. looks just like that. And then I don't. know. I mean the testimony of your eyes. are telling you the truth, >> but your brain, you know, will come up. with all sorts of stuff because Mundus. Vault Deep. >> Well, I'm not allowing it to with Tower. 7. I've always maintained a a pretty.

open mind with that, but also I lean. towards shenanigans in that one because. that one just seems [ __ ] The Tower. one and Tower Two maybe. Maybe Tower 7. Come on. >> Yeah. >> Tower. Nobody looks. And if they're if. they're telling you that Tower 7 seems. normal, that seems they seem so. gaslighty. Everybody that says that. seems like they're gaslighting. >> So, here we go. Hit it. Okay. This one's they're setting up for.

a controlled demolition. So, they're. showing you how. That's kind of a shitty. one. >> There's other ones that have done a. better job with, but it's the same kind. of thing. >> It's still falling into onto itself. >> Yes. It's falling into itself the same. way Tower 7 did. That's. >> See that movie? That building has a. different shape. >> That has a a skirt building. It's got a. center structure in there. >> Yeah. It's a different kind of. structure. It has a different look to. it. Let's watch that one. Okay. There. Like there. Come on. That looks exactly. like tower 7. When you watch that, back.

that up again a little bit, please. Watch that from the top. From the. beginning. Just a little bit before. right before it drops. So, watch. They're looking. They're watching. We're. going to watch the building drop. There. it is. That [ __ ] goes right down like. tower. Like from there, come on. That's. exactly like a control demolition. And. even the way it looks as it's going down. looks exactly like tower. >> You know, we were talking about. predictive programming and how movies. and like spells can predict stuff in. advance and uh you know kind of prepare.

you for the future of what's coming. You. know in 1999 a movie came out which was. effectively a manifesto and that movie. was called Fight Club and uh in what's. the end of that movie? The end of that. movie is the collapsing of the buildings. which are the financial system you know. of the future so that they can create a. new future. Who produced that movie? Arnon Milshan. Who is Arnon Milshan? And. they got a commercial director to do it.

Fincher and like he's an excellent. director and I think it's a excellently. beautifully made film but who is Arnon. Milchon? Well, you know he himself has. said I am a MSAD agent and he he said. that out loud like that's not me saying. that. That's him saying that. And. Fincher said oh yeah my last movie uh. that was made by an arms dealer. Well. that's him. That's Arnon Milshan. And so. you know and what's another Arnon. Milshan movie? uh the Medusa touch with.

uh um George C. Scott and I think Lee. Rimik. And in that movie, what happens? An airplane crashes into a building. And. you could probably pull that one up, too. An airplane crashes into a. building. This guy's obsessed with. airplanes crashing into buildings and. buildings collapsing in movies. And so. what's likely, you know, is he has he. been reading uh these scenario plans. that uh defense departments make and. that are maybe, you know, uh uh MSAD uh.

you know, plans that are made. I've. worked for the DoD through John Millius. and we wrote scenarios. They gathered. together a bunch of Hollywood writers. into a you know into a uh what is it. like like a conference room like a it. was like more like a ballroom but like a. small one and gathered a bunch of us. together around a table and said let's. come up with ways on how to attack Los. Angeles and we all wrote scenarios on. how to attack LA and now they just use. AI to do all that but so you know has he. just been like reading these does he.

have access to them and so he just puts. them into his movies? Well, that movie. was made in 1999, and what happened. right after that movie got released? Those buildings came down. 9/11 came. down. And so, is it predictive. programming where you're showing the. world what's to come and that makes it. almost somewhat acceptable to do? >> Whoa. >> Or is it just coincidence? >> And most and most people out there will. say, "Oh, no, it's just coincidence. It's coincidence. He just happens to be. I mean, that's what's what he has said. I don't know if he is or not MSAD, but.

that's what he said. So, >> well, that's the thing about the major. term conspiracy theorist. It's it's. slapped on things and it immediately. sort of diffuses any real questioning. of, oh my god, are things this bad? Is. there this much? But as time goes on and. you're confronted with more and more. information. And I think we're in the. beginning stages of reckoning with these. files that were just released where so. many people like, I haven't really read. much of it. I've only read the things.

that are really outrageous that my. friends have sent me because I'm just. trying to maintain my sanity. >> Well, that's just it. Most people want. to maintain sanity. You just like I just. want to get through the day, you know? I. just want to like You're busy. Yeah. Well, and it's even more than busy. I. want to be happy, right? >> I want to raise my children in a in a. world that is, you know, a peaceful. world and uh where people respect each. other and where we can like you can make. something out of yourself, you know, through hard work and through merit. You. know, it's like that's the world I want.

to live in. And more and more it feels. like we're not in that world. >> Did you see that thing that was just. released today? I think it's the AI. company Anthropic. I think that's the. company. So, one of its engineers. resigned and essentially said that. humanity is doomed. Yeah. >> And he's going to move to the UK and. just write poetry and just wait it out. >> Hasn't that guy seen Threads? [laughter] Like the UK is like one of.

the most dangerous places to be. That's. where he's going to wait it out. Like. that's uh. >> Well, he probably has his. >> Well, when he says UK, does he mean like. where. >> I'm not sure. Maybe he means like the. Scottish Highlands. >> Maybe he's going to hide. >> Yeah. >> And go into some small town and [ __ ]. just hang out at a pub. >> Yeah. They're going to populate that. town with uh [laughter] suddenly 800 uh. war capable men from uh you know, another country are going to move in and. they're going to move into the local. some place that the the West has. conveniently been bombing and creating.

refugees on. >> Yeah. Creating angry people. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And who have a. >> God, you don't want to think that it's. all planned out like that. But. >> of course you don't like uh you know. >> that was a bit of the exposure of US. aid, you know. So uh I like many people. thought US aid was about aid. I thought. it was like a beautiful philanthropic. program where the United States donates. money to all these poor countries. That's how they get food. Like I had. Bono on the show and he's like, "I've. heard that 30,000 people have already. starved to death because of this. 30.

million people are going to die." And. I'm like, "Okay, but do you know how. much corruption was involved with this? Do you know that it's not aid? It's the. Agency for International Development.". And mostly what they were doing was. regime change [ __ ] And Mike Benz laid. it out and he said US aid was for. tasks that were too dirty for the CIA. >> Yeah. >> Which is crazy. So, like if they've been. engineering this long game and. engineering the collapse of legitimate.

governments all throughout the world, bombing places, creating refugees, and. then having these not just open border. policies, but inviting and helping. people get into countries and then. giving them money once they get there. >> Yeah. >> Like so many people do not want to admit. that that was really going on despite. all the evidence. That's another like. it's designed to destroy whatever. confidence you have in law enforcement, in civilization, in the electoral.

process. >> Yeah. What's the answer? Okay. So, given. a choice between uh totalitarianism. or cannibalism, you know, which would. you prefer? >> Right. Right. You take cannibalism. because you don't want to be eaten. >> Yeah. >> No, I mean you take totality. totalitarianism because you don't want. to be eaten. Like I would rather not be. in the movie The Road, but I feel like. we're turn I feel like we're. increasingly in the movie Children of. Men. And I mean that's that movie was a.

pretty accurate futurist uh um example. of where we're heading. >> with collapsing birth rates and. >> uh at least portions of civilization. looking at extinction. >> and uh. >> I mean they're experiencing that. totalitarian South Korea, Japan. Yeah. >> What is Can you find that guy's. manifesto or excuse me. >> Coron is a genius for making that film. I just want to say. >> Children of Men. Yeah. Fantastic movie. >> Um so today is my last day at Anthropic. I resigned. Here's the letter I shared. with my colleagues explaining my.

decision. That's a lot to read. What is. the synopsis? Just ask perplexity what. the synopsis of what this guy um said. >> Okay. Chararma who built defenses. against AI assisted bioteterrorism and. push for transparency on model risks at. the San Francisco AI firm announced his. resignation on Monday. He described. struggles to let values guide actions. amid mounting pressures planning to. return to the UK for a poetry degree and. stepped back from the spotlight. His.

exit follows other safety team. departures amid Anthropic's launch of. Claude Opus 4.6 six in a massive $20. billion funding round at $350. $350 billion valuation fueling debates. on balancing safety with commercial. speed. >> Okay. What but what is he saying. specifically is the issue. >> Let's click on that. Let's [ __ ] it. Let's click on his. >> AI started talking to him and scared the. be Jesus out of him. >> The safe holes. if he's part of the the.

guiding of the wait, Damn it, lost the. word. >> Yeah. Um. >> bioweapon. I mean, look, this guy's. built something and uh all of a sudden. he's realizing all the players that are. funding it are likely, you know, scary. scary people. >> Yeah. Scary people who are. >> who are all in the same club, you know, drinking baby blood and together. >> What's oal again? [ __ ] Money. Mikonium,

which is like uh it's a thing. >> Baby poop. Yeah. Um that's in the files. >> What comes next? I do not know. I think. fondly of this famous Zen quote, "Not. knowing is most intimate." What my. intention is to create a space to set. aside the structures that have held me. these past years and see what might. emerge in their absence. He's already. working on his poetry right here. I feel. called to writing that addresses and. engages fully with the place we find. ourselves and that place that places.

poetic truth alongside scientific truth. as equally valid ways of knowing. >> Yeah, it was written for him by AI. [laughter]. >> Elon said something very bizarre. recently. He was talking about the speed. of light that the speed of light cannot. be you can't bypass or exceed the speed. of light. >> if you believe Einstein. Yeah. He said. unless we live in a simulation. >> or unless Einstein was wrong. >> Right? >> I mean a lot of astrophysics is based on. a false premise that uh P equals P prime.

and that the sun is like uh designed a. certain way and it's completely wrong. and everything that we know about the. stars and how we view the nature of the. universe is fundamentally incorrect. >> How is it wrong? uh it's it's based on. this idea of this stability of Kelvin. temperatures in the sun and uh which is. this P equals P prime uh thing and the. guy who invented like CAT scan machines. there's sort of a vin diagram.

overlapping of uh of you know this. photographic technique and astrophysics. and what he realized is holy cow. that is not true and therefore so much. of everything that we know about how we. view the cosmos is incorrect. And so, um, and much. >> now, how'd they find out that it was. incorrect? >> Well, he he's a mathematician. He. figured it out. I would have to look up. his name and everything. >> And what is incorrect about it? Do you. remember that? >> Uh, well, it's it's at the beginning of.

astrophysics, there is this formula, and. if that formula is wrong, then the. preceding calculations are also wrong or. at least off. Mhm. >> And so the idea is that, you know, what. we view is is really just a it's kind of. a cartoon that's painted for us using. all these formulas and and using radio. telescopes. And so, you know, it's. things are not as they seem. >> Well, they've already they already have.

issues with the findings from the James. Webb telescope. >> Oh, yeah. Well, that's probably part of. it. Yeah. You know, I have to say like I. mean I'm a provocator and so I'm always. interested in uh um finding that which. upsets people's you know concepts of. things and that's partly because I'm a. screenwriter and I'm looking for these. kind of conflicts and interesting ideas. and stuff like that. So take what I'm. about to say with a grain of salt. But.

uh the big one, the biggest conspiracy. theory that freaks everybody out is flat. earth. Now I don't know what the earth. is, but experientially through the. testimony of the eyes, it is flat. And. there is very little chance that I will. ever in my life or most of us will ever. in our life experience anything other. than what is effectively a flat earth. And uh you and and you know the way uh.

laser sighting across large bodies of. water or navigation nap maps for air air. travel, you know, for for pilots is. always the presumption of a flat earth. >> It's always in the uh pilot manuals and. on and on maps. >> How? >> Well, if you're flying a jet at low. altitude, you're not making corrections. for curvature even though you're going. fast enough where you should be. And so. what's actually happening there? Well, um, and so the the idea is, look, I.

don't know what the world is or what the. realm that we're in is, but. experientially from my perspective in. life, it is nothing but a it's a flat. earth. >> But what about travel routes? Like what. about when they fly over Antarctica? What if they. >> That's Well, they don't fly away, >> but you can watch the sun [laughter]. rise and fall as. >> they don't even they don't even fly from. Cape Town to Buenosares. >> There's a procession of the equinox. >> They travel up into into the other. hemisphere and like land in London or.

something and then travel back down. whenever you're doing a a flight across. the Atlantic. And so like uh when you. look at it on a flat Earth map, >> those satellite photographs of Earth. from space. >> Those are all cartoons. >> What are you talking about? I'm saying. that uh even the NASA the guys who. actually do those composits those are. composite imagery of uh listen I'm not I. am not saying that. >> but it seems like you're saying that the. earth is possibly flat. >> I'm saying experientially. >> right.

from your daily. >> that's a scale issue though. >> correct. >> we're a tiny little thing on an enormous. thing. >> correct. >> but you know snipers have to calculate. for the curvature of the earth when they. shoot. >> only only the curvature of the landscape. that they're on. >> Right. Why do you think the landscape. curves? >> The landscape doesn't curve. The It is a. mountainous and. >> uneven. No. On flat planes, you have to. do the same thing if you're making a. long shot over a flat area like if you. had to shoot. >> Well, then why then why don't pilots.

make adjustments? >> I'm not a pilot. I don't know. But but I. do know that when you look at the film. from the space station, presume a flat. Earth. When you look at the film from. the space station, you see an earth. that's not just round but spinning. >> I see I what I actually this the the. space station, you know, the not uh the. International Space Station is actually. not high enough to see curvature and. what you're seeing is uh lens, you know, the lens distortion. >> and. >> it's not high enough to see curvature.

when you look out into the horizon. And. it's actually even like it's it's very. very close to the. >> let's look at footage from the space. station of Earth. So when you see. satellite images that are taken of the. Earth, you think they're lying? You. think there's this grand conspiracy to. piece all these pictures together and. turn it into a circle instead of. >> I'm saying is that's the fundamental. uh conspiracy theory that unravels. everyone. And. >> well, it doesn't make any sense because. everything that we see in the cosmos.

that's a planetary body is round, including stars. >> So, it's all round except for small. moons. Everything is round. And that. that's because. >> I'm not even I'm not even certain. certain. >> that space exists. >> That well that the moon is anything more. than a plasma. >> A plasma? >> Yeah. >> What does that mean? >> That it's a that it's a plasma effect, a. lenticular effect of some kind. So that. it's not a real thing, but it affects. the tides. It is something that we have.

landed at the very least. We've landed. probes on. >> We don't know that itffects. People. theorize this is. >> that it affects the tides. >> footage from the space station. >> This is live footage from the space. station. >> And I'm saying that and I'm saying. that's lens curvature and that what. you're actually seeing. >> Why do you think that's lens curvatur? >> What you're seeing is horizon. >> So what you're talking about is like. >> if I'm trying to provoke you, that's. what I'm saying, >> right? But let's not do that. right now. because I don't want you to be. completely [ __ ] insane cuz this is a. round body just like the moon, just like.

Mars, just like Jupiter, just like. Uranus appears on that appears to be a. but in your practical life experience. You have to accept a certain amount of. faith is what I'm getting at at any. moment. >> But they understand the procession of. the equinox. >> Okay. Do you know that the procession of. the Ignosis is how they measure the the. sky over a period of 26,000 years? >> I see right there a little uh stitching. like right there. >> I So this will just keep going straight.

forever. >> Do you see that line? Do you see that. line right there? What is that? >> What is that line? >> Yeah. What is that line? Well, that. looks like uh stitching to me. It looks. like they've stitched together and it. crosses over there through that mountain. range right there. >> That is weird. Whatever that is. So for. your by your very example, I'm just. saying that you have to have a certain. amount of faith in that. And on the. surface, Mundus vault decap. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. You you're freaking me. out. Go back go back to [laughter] that. Jamie. So what is the explan? Go back a. little bit. >> Yeah. What is the explanation of that.

line right there? I don't know. >> Right. But how weird is that? That is. weird that there's this line, >> right? Because that in itself is a. composite image, a cartoon that has been. put together for you to look at this. this apparent live imagery. >> So. And. >> is this multiple images that are. supposedly pieced together? Is that what. they're. >> I'm saying that things fall into like. the way perspective works is that things. appear to fall into the horizon, but now. you use a what is that camera? Is it a.

P200 camera that where you can actually. zoom in and lift things out of the. horizon that have appeared to fall into. the horizon? This live video, this live. video feed from the International Space. Station has. >> has been interrupted because of because. you're watching too much. >> due to either a [laughter] change in the. onboard camera configuration or a loss. of signal with the communications. network. The video return when a. connection is reestablished. So, this is. during the live feed. >> This isn't from NASA's YouTube channel. It's just down right now. >> It's just down right now. Okay. So,

you're you're saying that this is like a. fisheye effect of a lens. >> Yeah. I'm saying that potentially. I'm. saying that and and that we can even see. that whenever they're up there shooting. with uh cameras outside, you're like, "Oh, there's the there's the there's the. curvature." And then every now and then. the camera turns and the and it inverts. for a moment, then it goes back down. >> I've never seen that. >> I watch a lot of NASA stuff. And listen, I'm not saying that we're not living on. a globe or at least an oblate spheroid. as Neil deGrasse Tyson says, but have. you ever noticed how spasticated that.

guy gets whenever you throw out the word. flat earth? He flips out like the way. Robert Dairo flips out on uh on like. irrationally he flips out. >> He flips out when you say that men can't. be women, which is very weird. >> Yeah. >> And that they should be able to compete. in women's sports. >> which is very weird. like a man for a. man of science. That's bonkers. >> Or that they should be able to go to. jail and that a sex offender. >> [ __ ] insane. Not just that, but. rapists who put in jail women and then.

they have to pay for their electrolysis. and breast augmentation, which is okay. >> At what point in time do you say that. this is some sort of a bizarre agenda. that you're trying to get us to accept. something that doesn't make any [ __ ]. sense? So much so that you're willing to. house male prisoners and with females. because they say they're a male with an. intact penis and then even if they get. like female prisoners pregnant or rape. them. We're all just trying to construct.

what reality is and it tends to be a a. consensus of what it is. But you know. there are fringes that on the ends that. don't believe with what the consensus. says. Are they wrong? But do you know. how many people would have to be. involved to promagate this idea that. there's a a flat earth and you got to. cover up that thing and pretend it's. round? And what what's the motivation of. covering up the fact that the earth is. flat? It's an I mean, if we're really. fundamentally getting down to it, it's. about God and it's about what is this.

realm that we're in and are we part of. creation and uh you know, >> but why would it be more likely every. culture throughout recorded history. draws us in this kind of flat earthish. environment with a dome, a firmament. that uh covers it up until like when uh. the 1930s or. >> when they start making telescopes. >> when they well and. >> right I mean so this is a grand.

conspiracy like Galileo was wrong, Capernicus was wrong, all these people. recorded history is wrong and I mean the. other the other option is that we are. just specks of nothing floating around. [snorts] in an endless vast nothing that. goes on forever and that you are. completely insignificant that you are. not God's perfect creation which I think. you are. Well, that doesn't they're not. mutually exclusive. You know, just. because we are in this vast cosmos. that's almost impossible for mammal.

minds to to grasp the magnitude of it. doesn't mean that God's not real. >> It's exclusive to people who who believe. the Bible word for word. I'm not saying. I do necessarily. I I am uh uh I would. be considered apostate, you know, by. most uh um by most people. I've been. reading the Bible a lot. And one of the. problems that I find is it's clearly got. the hand of man on it. >> Well, it's been edited. Yes, it's been. edited. You know, the King James or who.

was King James? He wrote Bible. He wrote. books on demon on demons as well. And. so, uh, who was. >> Well, even the Old Testament, >> the Old Testament has the hand of man on. it. Not just that, but it's also been. translated so many different times. Like. ancient Hebrew, the letters double as. numbers. There's no numbers in ancient. Hebrew. words have numerical value to. them. >> and you know imagine translating such a. complex language where like the letter. the word God and the word love they have. the same numerical value I believe I.

read here's another thing I've read that. I don't know if it's true so let me find. out if that's true put that into. perplexity. >> there's a lot of weird stuff in the. Bible in gen in Genesis when the book. the Nephilim come down and they find. women comly and so they like okay What's. actually going on there? These angels or. Nephilim are are coming down and they're. taking women from men and having sex. with them and then creating uh you know.

hybrid offspring. >> When representative uh Anna Paulina Luna. was here, she told me about the book of. Enoch. She like, "You have to read that. Have you ever read it?" I go, "No." So I. read it. >> Holy. >> Have you seen the Carpenter Son? The. Nicholas Cage movie? >> No. >> Incredible. I What did I just have you. look up though before I lose my train of. thought? >> The King James Bible thing. >> What? >> That's what I was trying to ask. specifically. Which part did you ask. about? >> No, what I what I asked you was u. ancient Hebrew. So the letters also. dropped those numbers. That's what that.

movie pi is all about. >> And that the word love and the word God. have the same numerical value. I'm very. >> very certain that that's true, but I. want to really double check. >> Numerology exists around us everywhere. and you know everything you it seems to. have a kind of and that's what the. Areronowski film Pi was kind of all. about is that. >> that was a great movie. >> Yeah, it's a very there was also. >> he's a very interesting film. >> A really fascinating statement by this. uh mathematician we talked about it on a. recent podcast was that how strange is.

it that we find out that the universe is. made out of math and that it's encoded. in the universe itself. So a tool that. we used that human beings created to. measure the universe. It turns out that. that that tool is how the universe is. actually encoded. >> Well, this gets back to what Elon is. saying about the world being a. simulation. >> You I mean what is a simulation? A. simulation.

>> So it says no in ancient Hebrew whatever. that word is gatria. Uh no direct name. of God shares the exact same numerical. value as the word for love. So what is. the basis of that rumor? Uh sacred name. equals 26. A name for God equals 86. >> Okay. Is there a a word for God? >> Elohim. >> Is that have the same? >> It's a name, >> right? What is the value of click on.

that below that below that where it says. what is the gemantric? What was that. word? >> I had to look it up. It's. >> gimatria. Yeah. >> Primary Jewish mysticis. Oh, Cabala. >> Yeah. >> Religious studies to find hidden. spiritual meanings in sacred texts. Okay. >> It is fascinating though that there's. numerical value in words. Like you. there's no way you're going to get that. when you translate it to Latin. Uh so. that has a Greek. >> that has a value of 86. And what is. love's value?

>> What is the value? What is the ancient. Hebrew word for love? What is the ancient Hebrew word for. love? >> That's that what you mean by love is. going to be very. >> you have to say. Do you mean like love. between two people? >> Okay. What is the geantri that doggy in. the window like a child? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point. That's a good point. >> Probably different words for it. >> Definitely. So what is that? Click on. that. What's the geantria value of. avala? Right there. Right there. Yeah,

click on that. It's 13. So that's a different number, too. Interesting. >> 13 twice equals 26. The value of Yahweh. >> Yeah. >> Huh. This movie, The Carpenter Son, is. all about the infancy of Jesus. that I. think is written by Matthew and it's. part of these uh um I mean.

I may have this wrong but uh Coptic. texts and it is like. >> Cage is so good in this movie. >> but so twice 13 equals 26 the value of. Yahweh implying love mirrors or. completes God God's essence okay so. that's where that comes from. >> I was going to ask where it came from, >> right? That's where it comes from. So. God is love. So love twice is coming. from God. >> Um so here's a here's a question. What.

happened the so the go. >> I understand I understand. Go to ask a. followup. >> Um so the how was the numerical value of. ancient Hebrew language. lost when they translated it to Latin. >> to Greek? But to Greek first, right? >> How is the numerical value of ancient. Hebrew words?

>> Numerical value of ancient Hebrew words. lost when they translated it to Greek. because it seems like if the it's not. just context like what is your word for. that? Like the word meant a different. thing to them. you know numerical values of ancient. Hebrew words calculated via geratria. uh where letters double as numbers was. not preserved in Greek translations. Um Hebrew letters inherently carry fixed.

numerical values enabling word sums. Um. Greek letters have their own values. Uh. equivalents rarely match Hebrew sums. exactly. So you're going to lose it. Like you know when you read like um. Russian translations of English or. English to Russian it gets like super. screwy. >> for sure. For sure. >> Is this for sure like real. >> ancient Spanish. incredibly difficult. >> even all. >> all words mean another number that all.

have some sort of secret meaning. >> Runic writing from the Nordics is the. same thing and there is a striking. resemblance between many of the runes. with uh Hebrew. And so these ideas and. these glyphs and symbols that Odin first. saw while hanging upside down from the. tree and learned uh language and how to. speak are somewhat universal across the. planet. >> We'll get to that for a second, but. let's find out what Jaime's saying. primarily used in Jewish mysticism and.

religious studies to find hidden. spiritual meanings in sacred texts like. Torah by assigning numerical values to. Hebrew letters and words, revealing. connections between concepts and. exploring the universe's underlying. structure. What's interesting is like. it's an older language, but doesn't that. seem like a more complex language? A. language that combines nu numerical. value with words like that. Like if you. said something to me, uh it's not just. implied by your tone or by the context.

of what you're saying that I understand. what it means to you, but it's it's in. the numerical value of the words. That. seems like a better way to communicate. >> than just nouns and verbs and adverbs. like. >> rather than bifurcating. >> numbers and letters together. Like. sounds like a way better move. I mean, doesn't it? It seems like if you can. understand that and if you grew up with. that that seems like that would be a. much richer and deeper way of. communicating. Isaac Azimoff wrote a. book called Is Azimoff on numbers which.

is fantastic which talks about this and. he talks about Kalahari Bushmen who have. no concept of the number zero and how. they process and understand concepts. like you know uh when no one is around. uh you know if the village is empty and. things like that. And so uh you just. different people are just trying to. figure out how to articulate everything. And you know, computer programming is a. language that utilizes numbers. >> It's weird when there's like certain.

languages that don't have a word for. something, so people really grasp they. have a hard time grasping what the [ __ ]. you're trying to say. >> Like what's the translation for this? Like what? We don't have a word for. that. >> We don't we don't understand the concept. of empathy. Well, well, there's certain. um cultures that are like um uh tribal. cultures that can't understand the. concept of maintenance. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> They don't have it. I've heard that. I've heard that. >> Yeah. Which is weird. Like you think. about it like Oh, right. >> Why would they need maintenance? Why.

would they need maintenance? >> If you live a subsistence lifestyle, you. live off the land, you don't need. maintenance. >> And then suddenly you're thrust into the. 21st century and the Chinese are. building highways for you and and the. highways collapse. >> Yeah. and the highways has collapsed. because no one's maintaining it, >> right? Yeah, it's interesting. >> But it's a it's interesting. >> pulling people out of the stone age and. dropping them into or maybe the iron age. or and dropping them suddenly into. >> to take this back to this idea that. we're missing a thousand years. So if we.

really are missing this one for there's. two things I want to get I want to get. to that and I added a thousand years. added a thousand years. I really want to. get to that and uh well the I meant by. uh missing like they don't they don't. exist in the real world right. >> I want to get to that and I want to get. to is there a conventional explanation. for that stitching why that image like. what is the mainstream. >> I got to dig up what that what we were. even looking at I don't I don't it was. not the NASA channel we were looking at. I don't you know I can dig down that. rabbit hole. >> where were we looking at. >> I don't I've tried to pick up a video of.

the live. >> you know the globe imagery that. >> hold on a second so that image might not. have been an official image that might. have been something that someone. created. >> I'm not saying that. No. Well, let me. retract so I words aren't taken out of. context. I'm just saying it was it. seemed like a live video. It was live on. YouTube. >> Oh, but it could have been AI. >> Who? Yeah. I have to go back to look at. the I'm working fast over here. >> No, I get it, dog. I get it. >> That's why [laughter]. Jamie, you do the job of 15 dudes. So, I.

I appreciate. >> I found a video from 11 years ago on. Vimeo that is from SpaceX. So, it's not. NASA, it's someone else. And it's like. it's a up and down of the rocket. You. can argue all day that it's got. curvature. It doesn't have curvature. >> When you see a rocket launch, what does. it do? It goes kind of sideways across. the sky. And so, like we've now seen. that, you know, pretty regularly. And. that's because they're really not going. above the troposphere, which. >> well, I watched this. I watched the. SpaceX launch live. I was there. It went. straight up in the air. >> and then it curves and it travels.

sideways across the sky until it meets. the horizon. >> to a certain orbit and then it traveled. and dropped off in Australia 35 minutes. later. I went to. >> No, I watched the entire thing from the. command center. I watched it from like. 24 different cameras. >> Mhm. >> But how high did it go? Did it go above. the troposphere? [sighs]. >> Not likely. Like this is not. >> the troposphere. Is that this is like. >> what how many miles is that up? This is. low Earth orbit where. >> Right. But at low Earth orbit, Jesus.

Christ, that looks like a globe, huh? >> But watch as the camera rotates. Just. >> This is also an edited video. I don't. want to get stuck in this. >> Right. Right. Like this. >> As Elon would say, uh, it it's real. because it looks fake. Or when it looks. fake, that's when you know it's real. >> Say that about Bigfoot then, [ __ ]. [laughter]. >> Because Bigfoot looks fake as [ __ ] And. it's definitely not real. >> Uh, you know what's real? That Turkish. sharpshooter. That dude was like a G up. in the corner. Um, press play. See what.

this is supposed to be. >> It cuts. >> It cuts. Okay. >> Oh, I see. I see. >> Yes. >> So, it cuts a bunch of different. >> So, now you can actually see an. inversion occurring on the on the um. horizon right there. >> A small piece of it. >> Correct. But the lens distortion on the. side of the frame is causing the um the. horizon there. >> to go the opposite way. >> to to invert. And that's because of lens. distortion. >> I see what you're saying. if it was. >> and the fact of the matter is even at. the height that even at the height that. these are orbiting at and I'm not saying. like presuming presuming a globular uh.

planet uh and even the word planet plane. it's like a plane at you know or the. horizon is horizontal like uh you know. even presuming that the height that. they're at right now you would still. only see you know a circular. uh um you see the limit of your vision. which which has a. >> because it's so massive. >> Yeah. Which is because it's so massive. You're still high enough. You're still. not high enough to truly see curvature.

>> If we are in a simulation and if. consciousness it affects the reality of. things and they are only real if we are. experiencing them. That's when things. get really squirly. >> The testimony of your eyes like I know. that I am here right now. Not just the. testimony of your eyes, but your. consciousness interacting with reality. is what creates it. >> Correct? I mean, >> that's that's where things get super. >> How do you know gravity exists for. example? >> Well, gravity is not clearly defined. Correct. Correct. Gravity numbers.

>> Gravity is a concept and it's a non. truly nonprovable concept because you. can prove the exact same thing through. density and buoyancy. you know, the. density and buoyancy, you know, make a. lot of sense. How come the oceans uh, you know, react the way they do and don't, you. know, it's it's uh uh it's not. necessarily provable, but it's. believable. You you come to a certain. point where you're like, okay, faith. takes over at this point. My faith in.

that in gravity, my faith in the globe, uh, because that's what's been told to. me since I was a baby. uh at a certain. point that just takes over and you not. just that and you accept that as a. fundamental piece of what reality is. because we want to believe we understand. the universe. What I'm saying is we. don't understand jack [ __ ] about the. universe. We don't know anything and all. we do is we believe what they tell us. and they is just the the cumulative. understanding of how things are. But in.

ancient times they had a different. understanding of things and that was how. it was back then. And so because they. had no other way to describe, >> right? But even then the reality is just. built things based on where the sun was. going to be during the solar equinox. They also were aware of the procession. of the equinoxes which is the wobble of. Earth's orbit. So Earth spinning around. doesn't spin perfectly. There is a. 26,000year wobble and you could predict.

it by the night sky. >> Somehow Polaris remains centered in the. sky and all stars rotate around it. That's extraordinary. If we're traveling. >> What do you mean? So during the. procession of the equinoxes over a. 26,000 year cycle, Polaris remains it. has remained spot and supposedly that's. cuz that's where we're flying towards as. a as a solar system as we travel through. the galaxy in this. equinoxes this wobble over a 26,000year. period. It will move in the sky. Well,

the the point of Polaris uh will always. remain uh where it is directly. >> the point but our perspective of it will. will vary depending upon where we are in. this 26,000 year cycle. >> It undergoes a kind of uh penumbra of. sort a kind of motion of sorts that. changes a figure 8 time it changes. Look. at it says right here do the 26,000year. axial procession cycle the north star. changes over millennia. While Polaris is.

the current north star, other stars have. held this position including Thuban 3000. BC and future stars will include Arai, Alderain, Al Aldurin, Aldderman, and. Vega. So, it's not the same star. It's. just what is dependent upon where we are. in the procession of the equinoxes. That's why. >> Well, there there is. >> It's not not that the Earth is flat. >> I know it's true because it's on Google. >> But it's not just that. We know where. they've they've been able to accurately.

predict the motion of the procession of. the equinoxes based on the. constellations which are clearly mapped. out. So we understand this wobble and. this wobble may be responsible for. cycles of earth's earth's climate, how. things change and and be dependent upon. where the equator sits and where these. poles sit and how it wiggles around. Remember when we were younger the sun. was kind of yellow and orange and now. it's just like white like reality is. changing. I mean things change. >> The sun looks exactly the same to me.

>> Does you think the sun is the same? To. me it's. >> I think pollution has affected it. somewhat. Especially if you live in LA. >> Well, there used to be more pollution. and so maybe that's an excuse of why uh. the sun would be more yellow, but I've. lived all over the world. >> Did you see Epstein talking about. gravity? >> Oh boy. >> Oh, here we go. >> With it. It's not It's very I'll just. say. >> what does he have to say? >> It's fine. It's only 45 seconds. Try to. >> just let it go. So, someone's pushing the ball because I. know I am confident that the only thing.

that gets something to move is with a. force that pushes. So, there's a force. that's pushing the ball down. In fact, >> he never he called it gravity. He. measured how fast it was pulled. but. never was able to explain why it. happened. How is it? What is gravity? It's this. Everybody says, "Well, why. did the ball fall to the ground?". Because gravity took it. But what's. gravity? That's as Fineman would say,

that's the name of the thing. We have no. idea what it is. >> That's the end of that clip. >> Before it's just density and buoyancy. >> He was really into this topic. apparently. >> Apparently, he knew a lot about it. >> You know who you should have on is Eric. Dubet. Do you know who this guy is? >> Oh, he's a flat earth guy. Yeah, he's. the flat earth guy and he's written a. book called Aundred Proofs. And in order. to prove something, you also have to. prove things wrong. >> You went down some rabbit holes, Roger. >> I look I'm a screenwriter and so I'm. always looking for things like this to. write stuff about. And so it's uh.

>> so in order to prove I take it. >> in order to prove what? >> Whenever you have a proof, you also have. to disprove. And so, you know, he he. wrote a book called 100 Proofs about uh. you know, [snorts] the the the nature. of, you know, the the earth and how it. is and has explanations for many of the. things you're you're talking about. >> Hasn't he debated people that actually. understand. >> how you can prove that the earth is. round? >> He does it very calmly and it infuriates. people,

>> right? But I don't think he's done well. >> It's very enjoyable to watch cuz it's. really funny. But to people that are. actual cosmologists, he's not performed. well in these. >> Well, the cosmologists will uh say. things that still need to be if you're. making statements, they still need to be. you still need to disprove the other uh. you know the other proofs like. >> right but there's plenty of people that. have disproven that the earth is flat. I'm all I'm saying with simple. experiments the the Joe Rogan experience.

throughout life you are really like when. you go up into an airplane I do not see. the curvature of the earth. >> Well you can't because of perspective. because you're so tiny. >> Correct. Because we're so tiny. So all. I'm saying is that through experience. that the testimony of your eyes you will. never experience a globular earth. You. can't you but you do experience a. certain effect of a a earth that's a. globe if you go to the other side of the. earth and it's dark out when it's sunny. in California.

>> They've made models of how that could. work on the. >> dorks have dorks have made models. >> but it doesn't line in with our. understanding of cosmology. It doesn't. line in with our understanding of our. orbit around the sun. >> That's assuming you believe that we. orbit around the sun. And I know listen. I'm not saying that we don't orbit. around the sun. I'm saying we don't live. on a globular earth. But the numbers. match but the numbers match. >> If you do assume that they're correct. that we orbit around the sun their. calculations. if they make the calculations on their.

flat earth model as well then you still. have to prove that wrong. >> But isa doing that is MIT like of of all. people to believe the ones who are. digitally stitching [ __ ] and saying. >> that's a that's a government agency. You. went so deep with this. Boy, >> I No, all I'm saying is my experience. >> You know, when I get on the plane later. today and I'm flying back and I look out. outside, I'm going to see a flat, you. know, a flat uh horizon, a horizontal.

horizon before me. And and and when I. land and uh and you know, it's. everything else is faith-based. >> Well, >> that's all I'm saying. It's not though. It's it's science-based. It's based on. data. It's based on our understanding. >> The word science means observation. >> It means testimony. >> I'm talking about the the measurements. >> data. >> The data is so far removed one from my.

ability to understand, but from ability. to understand. >> the the circumference of the earth, right? You can understand the numbers. and the numbers line up exactly with how. much time it would take for the earth to. go around in a day. >> Sure. And uh in what other. >> experiment can you show me where water. clings to a spinning ball? Like that's. kind of the the classic flatearther. uh thing that they'll ask you like, "Well, show me any other [ __ ] ball. that's 24,000 miles wide.".

>> And the answer to that is gravity. And. what he's talking about in that uh clip. that you just showed is gravity is just. sort of this idea that we came up with. to justify that. But there's clearly a. force. >> that does that, right? >> That's density. >> Just density. >> There's Yeah, density. >> Well, then how come these two things. will fall at the same time if I drop. them when this is far heavier? >> How come? >> I do not have an answer for that. >> Right. But gravity does, right? >> Gravity is like he said, it's just a. measurement. It's a measurement of how.

things fall, >> right? And so that measure and and the. word that they invented, gravity, is. just a an explanation for how objects. are are pulled downward, >> right? But those objects come if it was. just density, wouldn't a heavier object. drop faster? >> Well, when a. >> there's two balls, there's a bowling. ball and feathers dropping in a vacuum. and they're falling at the exact same. time. >> How weird. Vacuum, no density. They both. fall at the same time because of gravity.

or whatever the force we call gravity. is. But there is some sort of a force. that we call gravity that could be. measured in a vacuum. >> Look how excited they all are. >> Yeah. Brian Cox would be pissed if he. was here right now. He'd be [ __ ]. >> Oh, no. He'd be I'm not Listen, I'm not. say All I'm saying is that my experience. in the world, >> of course, but your experience is based. on perspective of being a tiny little. thing on an enormous thing. >> Correct. >> Yeah, >> that is correct. >> Yeah, >> that is correct. a few YouTube channels. that have broken down all of those flat. earth ideas together. Go watch those and.

>> I tried years ago and I gave up. >> It's it is absolutely a rabbit hole. But. what's interesting about it is that if. if you extract like the uh the the the. faith that you have in these kind of. ideas. and you supplement it with the faith of. you know these other ideas. they're exchangeable. They're only. exchangeable if you don't understand the. data and if you don't understand what's.

actually been measured or if you don't. understand the path of satellites or if. you don't understand how many different. people would have had to lie about this. [ __ ] and not achieve the same. observational results that all these. different space agencies have that the. idea that they're all in collusion that. Japan and India and even countries that. hate each other they're all in collusion. on this this lie that the earth is. round. Well, >> it seems much more likely that there's a. bunch of people with schizophrenia that. think that the earth is flat and they.

make these YouTube videos where they're. very compelling because they're. articulate and they use great words and. they say it all in a nice way without. being challenged by real facts along the. way by someone who actually has studied. this their whole life. >> Right. I still saw digital stitching on. your example. >> Yeah, it wasn't my example. [laughter]. It was some [ __ ] Jamie randomly pulled. offline. That was weird though. And. that's perfect for this world that we. live in to to have sort of a glitch like. that. >> That's kind of what I'm getting at is. there's so much out there is so much out.

there that it it just re it falls to. faith. And also what does it really. matter? That's kind of what what I'm. getting at ultimately is what does all. of that really matter? What does it. matter to anybody that there's a cabal. of 8,000 plus uh people who are secretly. controlling the world and doing. occultism and drinking baby blood? What. does it really matter as long as you can. just have your daily pint? >> This is a very different subject now. We've we've shifted. We've you've moved. away from the concept of the earth being.

flat and it's a giant lie that's. promoted by an a huge group of people. that aren't even connected in any way, shape, or form to evil people that are. involved in cultlike rituals, which has, by the way, always existed. And this is. why it's so it's very difficult for. people to imagine today that some of the. things that you're hearing from the. Epstein files like the potential that. they were eating children. >> or killing children or that they use. that sulfuric acid to to boil bodies. We. don't want to believe in evil that is.

that deep. But in my opinion, if you can. find out that evil is real, right? Evil. most certainly is real. There's evil. acts that we have documented all. throughout the world. There's evil that. the cartel does. I just watched a video. where the cartel chopped this guy's head. off and put it on a drone and flew it. over to where the other cartel was. >> Thought that was funny. They probably. thought it was funny. >> Having a good time. Um, that's clearly. evil. There's plenty of demons. >> Do you believe in demons?

>> I believe in the concept of demons. >> I mean, demons have don't materialize. before us necessarily. They rest upon. the shoulders of men and whisper into. their ears. Then people do evil things. >> Believe. This is what I believe. I. believe that if I was a demon or if. there if demons were real, they would. get people to do things which are. verifiably true that they have done. I if I if you were if you were a demonic. idea and you got into Oenheimer's head.

or uh Patton's head or anybody's and you. wanted them to do something horrific to. a bunch of innocent people it it and you. could say this is because we're at war. so we're going to drop a nuclear bomb on. Hiroshima. Like that's a demonic act. It's a demonic act of eliminating. hundreds of thousands or a 100 thousand. plus people off the face of the earth. who did nothing. They're just citizens. that are unfortunately involved in a. country that is in a conflict with some. people that they don't even know and.

then they just got vaporized like that. That seems demonic. You've just expired. >> But there are people who would argue. there are people who would argue that. the war would have continued. I've heard. this argument before. I've heard that. argument too. that the war would have. continued and so many more would have. died. >> Well, if I was a demon, I would want to. prop propagate that idea. I would want. you to think that you have to do it. >> And so like is is evil justification of. things? Um certainly if if you wanted to find a.

way where a demon like just like assume. that demons are real. How would demons. best be able to enact demonic things on. on earth? Would they do it by saying, "I'm a demon and you know this is this. is what you should do and this is this. is horrible and evil." Or would you. creep into someone's head and find. justifications for doing a demonic. thing?

Like there's a lot of things like. >> you would creep well you would creep. into someone's head and you would you. know you would boil the frog slowly. Like let's imagine this is the AIDS. crisis and you know that act is killing. people but you also but you also know. that you're making an insane amount of. profit off of killing people with act. and you have already established a. narrative and and Fouchi said this. publicly that the reason why they only. prescribe act is act is the only thing. that is both safe and effective. He.

literally used the same language that he. used during he's been doing this for a. long time. Yes. If I wanted if I was a. demon, I'd want to get in that guy's. head and I'd want to get him to keep. doing it and say, "Look how much money. they're making. You got to keep this. money. You got to There's a way to. justify this. You're the purveyor of. information. You are the gatekeeper of. the truth. You just find a way to dance. around these numbers. You do not know. what you are talking about. This is not. gain of function." I mean, think just.

what he did there. that was evil. By by. taking a virus, funding it, even though. it was illegal to fund it in the United. States, by doing it through Ecoalth. Alliance and then, you know, farming it. out to them, they do it at the Wuhan. lab. And you are in fact doing gain of. function research on a virus designed. for human beings to make it more deadly. and more contagious. That's demonic. There's you're not you don't have a. cure. There was a researcher in Canada. at the Manitoba level four lab uh Dr.

Qui, I think is how you pronounce her. name. And she was the one who solved. Ebola. Like she had come up with the the. vaccine for Ebola, which is manufactured. by a California company that is. basically a Chinese company. And like a. rock star, she had made a like it was. like a hit. She had a hit, a huge hit. And just like a rockstar, everybody's. asking you what comes next, what comes. next? And so she started actively.

working working really really hard at uh. at coming up with that next thing. And. you know like most people you don't want. to stand in line. And these level four. labs you know they have to uh whenever. you move your research from one lab to. another uh you have to go through all. sorts of stuff in order to do that. because it's all patented. All of these. microbes and viruses and Ebola strains. and whatnot it's all patented. And so, for example, there was this one kid who.

was uh working at the lab in uh Canada. and he was moving, I think, to the one. in Atlanta. And so, he was crossing the. border and he was he didn't want to. like, you know, have to reproduce all of. his work and so he just put it into a. thermos inside of a thing and tried to. cross the border and he got caught. Well, she got caught in 2019. uh by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. basically moving stuff to from Canada. via Air Canada freight from uh Manitoba. from Winnipeg, this is the Winnipeg uh.

lab to Wuhan and she they were moving. everything and I tracked where those uh. where where because I was writing a. screenplay about it and uh I so I. tracked like where did that come from? Well, it's like the the cutter or maybe. it was Abu Dhabi, I can't remember. The. lab there and then that went through in. order to get around it got sent to the. one in Amsterdam and that got sent to. her and she was able to do all this. stuff and she was basically just. shipping, you know, everything. Ha and. all these patented things to Wuhan, you.

know, in order to uh to do it. and uh. the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. basically, you know, stopped it and she. got like walked out of the laboratory. and everything because they were like, "Is there a misappropriation of money. going on here? Like, what are all these. flights that are occurring?" And they. redacted who her financer was and we. still don't know who her financer was, but it's one of three people. And it's. the people you probably can guess, you. know, these uh people who have an.

interest in uh in in this. and uh and. and but her thing was just ambition. It. was just like anybody. She was just. wanting to have that next hit and she. would do anything to, you know, to to do. it to to repeat what she did with Ebola. >> So she was helping to engineer viruses. >> Yeah. They were engineering stuff and. then she would ship them via Air Canada. freight from Winnipeg to directly to. Wuhan on air literally on Air Canada.

flights. So you're flying on Air Canada. to Wuhan and down below in cargo there's. all this like you know. >> some [ __ ] that leprosy and yeah some. horrible strain of something something. that's patented and then they're just. shipping it over to and you know none of. this has come out like some uh papers in. Canada you know like the Winnipeg Free. Press or something was trying to cover. it but you know it just gets kind of. buried. That was one of the weird things. that I had also seen that I don't know. if it's true in the Epstein files that.

there was talk about engineering a. pandemic. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Was it did you. >> Yeah, I read that too. I read that too. that they were like actively working on. it like you know running models and. figuring it out and you know well if we. do this then this will happen and you. know they were pretty successful at. that. >> But why would Epstein be involved if. he's a financeier? He was involved in. everything. >> He was involved in everything. It was. like amazing the energy that that guy. had. Who has the energy to be like doing.

all this stuff like all over the world. and like, "Oh, in Nigeria we're doing. this and in Yemen we're doing this and. here we're doing that and at the same. time trafficking all these girls and you. know and young children and like. all this stuff, >> right? It says the energy to do that.". It says, "No credible evidence in the. recently released Epstein files links. Jeffrey Epste or his associates to. engineering the CO 19 pandemic. Claims. stem from a misinterpreted. 2017 email referencing routine pandemic.

preparedness discussions, not a plot.". So what was the claim? The original. claim go down. >> I didn't ask it about psy. you you just asked it about engineering. a pandemic. So what is the pandemic. claims? Scroll up a little so I can read. that. >> That's all. Scroll down a little. There. it goes. So 2017 email originally from. 2015 discussions to Bill widely assumed. to be Gates. forwarded to Ebstein proposed. recommendations and technical.

specifications for pandemic modeling of. various strains. It focused on healthc care data. simulations for preparedness and. neurochnology not creating or. engineering a virus. Gates Foundation. later ran public event 2001 and 2019 a. standard exercise with John Hopkins and. WHO predating COVID reports. That whole. public event 2001 is [ __ ] weird.

Event 2001 is weird. Uh context and debunking pandemic. simulations are common public health. tools for th like those for SARS or flu. Right. But why is Jeffrey Epstein. involved in these discussions? >> He's involved in everything. He's. involved in gravity. >> But how [ __ ] weird is that? How weird. a pandem. >> a pandemic was reportedly mentioned in. the Epste. before the world.

>> Well, this is what my friend Eddie. >> and creating the illusion. In the. meantime, Galileain Maxwell is uh. running the Reddit forum on world news. Like she's literally shaping the world. news Reddit forum Reddit forum time. Yeah, >> she was running the world news forum on. Reddit. >> Yeah, she was and it all went dark the. minute she got picked up. Her uh her. person, but she was like the the main. contributor did thousands of uh posts. like all day long posting world news. shaping our perception of things. >> One email was a subject preparing for.

pandemics was sent by a person whose. name was redacted. By the way, the um did you see that? >> Why would they redact the person who. sent that? >> Yeah, good point. >> That's not a victim. You're supposed to. redact. >> I think they just they did like. supposedly they just did massive. redacting. But. >> sometimes you can see like oh the name. is short it's probably Bill and then the. one that comes after that if it's a. little longer it might be Clinton and if. it's a little shorter it might be Gates. You know like you could but again that's.

just you know. it's like there's no found. It's like. plausible deniability until until they. release all these names. Did you notice. that um uh Jeffrey Epstein's Fortnite. account. >> suddenly became active in uh Tel Aviv. and that somebody is playing under his. right after his supposed death, >> right? >> Suddenly he's playing Fortnite again. [laughter]. >> Yeah. He doesn't even have the decency. to make a new account. >> Yeah. Well, he wants to keep all of his. like, you know, his stats. wants to keep.

all that stuff and he's safe in uh you. know in another country. >> So do you think they just like did. that's another thing. There was another. Reddit thread about some guy who said. that he was a guard. >> It was a 4chan thread. >> Was it 4chan? >> Yeah. >> So it was a 4chan thread where this guy. said that he was a guard at the facility. and he posted this before Epstein was. killed. >> He was a guard. They uncovered using. whatever way they do it, but using phone. records or whatever from 4chan, they.

discovered he was a guard and that he. was like a legit guy. He got caught. basically talking about it that they. snuck they they use a decoy body. There. was an unscheduled uh ambulance arrival. that night. They never logged in and. you're always supposed to log in. There's footage of like, you know, orange uh people in orange moving. through the facility on the um you know, just glimpses of it on. alive somewhere. >> It's. >> It's not possible. >> It's not impossible. It's probable.

>> Also, didn't. >> It's a probability. I mean, >> whatever. >> It's more than a possibility. >> The guy who did the autopsy, did. anything happen to him? The guy who. >> he committed suicide. >> Yeah, let's find that out. [laughter]. That would be [ __ ] crazy because that. happened to the guy who did the autopsy. on Andrew Breitbart. Didn't he wind up. dying shortly after that? >> Like Andrew Breitbart. Yes. And who was. the guy who said the. >> podesta alarming amount of people commit. suicide?

>> Alarming. >> who are you know doing this stuff who or. die of something to do so. Yeah. Suddenly they do it. I came in jail who. committed suicide and they didn't commit. suicide. They got killed by their s. Nobody bothered checking in on that. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Um the guy who. did the autopsy for Jeffrey Epstein, did. anything happen to him? Uh I mean it was. a woman. >> a woman. >> chief New York chief medical examiner. Dr. Barbara Samson and she just resigned. uh like a couple like a year ago. >> Okay. So nothing happened to her. You're.

talking about evil. You know who the. devil was in The Exorcist? >> Who? >> Uh well they say it's like pizuzu and. we're presented with an actual devil. But when you actually watch the movie, there's kind of evidence that uh and and. people have talked about this that uh. you know there's evidence within the. film that uh it's it's it's more than. just demonic possession that the demonic. possession comes from someplace. And by. the way, Jeffrey Epstein was uh doing.

also funding research in uh how trauma. uh affects like clairvoyance and. telepathy and things like that. how. you're able to invoke those out of uh. traumatic out of trauma. And in The. Exorcist, there's uh you know, you have. uh Reagan, who's uh Linda Blair, and uh. there's that party scene. And you. remember in The Exorcist, they're making. a movie within the movie. You know, they're they're actually shooting a.

movie. the the character of the mother. is uh um she's acting in a film inside. of the movie and there's a director in. that film and they have a big party. scene after it and the director uh you. know he's he's basically yelling at the. the butler her her house man you know. calling him a Nazi and stuff like that. and he's I bet you went bowling with. gerbles and things like that well for a. while he vanishes from the party and we.

later see like Reagan afterwards like. completely flipped out like laying in. bed and then after that she comes and. then he's leaving the party and he turns. to the mother and he's like I have to. tell you something. I have to tell you. something. [ __ ] it. And he leaves. And so and then. after that Reagan comes down and she. looks to the astronaut guy and says, "You're going to die up there." And then. she pisses on the floor and everybody's.

like, "Shit." And from that moment on. there's all this like uh highly. sexualized devil speaking through her. with a British accent and the guy the. director is a British guy. And so the. implication and then he is for some. reason left with Reagan and then gets. thrown out of the uh the balcony and his. head is twisted all the way around and. he's he dies as a character. Um, so the. implication is that the director is the. one who has raped Reagan and thus. invoking this demonic presence into her.

And it turns out that. >> I I thought it was a some totem that. they found and it was possessed. >> there. There all of that stuff is there. The Ouija board is there and everything. But it turns out that William Peter. Blatty uh actually made a movie called. um John Goldfrap Your Life is blah blah. blah. I can't remember the exact title. of the film and he made that movie with. Shirley Mlan and the director of the. film is this guy Jaye Thompson, British. director who looks exactly like the uh.

the actor in that. And so the idea is. that uh Reagan's mother is Shirley Mlan. and uh Reagan is her daughter Sasha and. the British director is Jay Lee. Thompson. And when you start looking at. his movies, they're a little strange. You know, there's like, you know, he. directed the original Cape Fear and. which has a kind of strange pedophilic. thing going on in it. >> So does the second one. >> and Yeah. Yeah. They Yeah, they all do.

And then uh you especially they they. amplify it. >> Yeah. With Julia, Robert Jane. >> He did this movie Kite with Bronson and. that all has kind of like a weird. pedophilic thing. did this movie the. reincarnation of Peter Proud where Peter. Proud dies and then uh or rather uh. Peter Proud remembers his reincarnation. He remembers his iteration of his other. self who was murdered and then he hunts. down the woman who maybe did it and then. starts sleeping with her daughter which.

is basically sleeping with his daughter. because he's reincarnated. So this guy. as a filmmaker has done all and so the. the question and and so William Peter. Blatty worked on that film with Shirley. Mlan and shortly thereafter wrote the. book The Exorcist and Sasha in her you. know uh autobiography even mentions uh. you know go the person on the cover of. the book looked a lot like me and. everybody's saying oh it's just a. coincidence and uh you know well I never. walked down the stairs on all fours and.

I never vomited uh you know pea soup or. whatever. that none of that ever. happened to me. But there's a pretty. dark implication behind the whole film. And I brought it up with William. Freriedkin. Hey, is this meant to be. Jaye Thompson? Did this like is this a. way to talk about that that actually. happened, you know, in real life? He. said, I cannot talk about that, but I'm. not saying you're wrong. >> Whoa. >> And uh and and so, you know, and there's. actually a moment where uh Reagan is.

talking to her mother and she's like, "Well, do you like him? Do you like him. like you like daddy? And so there's this. idea that he's been coming over and. they've been having this affair. And. then all of a sudden she says to her. daughter, and it kind of jumped out at. me when I rewatched it. Uh she says to. her daughter, "Well, uh I like pizza, but I wouldn't marry one." And I was. like, "Oh my god, there's like a pizza. reference like in the middle of this in. the middle of everything that's. happening.". >> How long is that? That'sola, but. >> Ben Swan brought up during the whole.

Pizzagate thing that got him fired. >> But how long has the term pizza been. used? >> Well, it jumped out at me and The. Exorcist is in the early 70s and uh and. so what is it 1971 and that movie that. he did with Shirley Mlan who is. effectively that's the movie that. they're shooting inside of the movie. And so this was a way for Peter. Benshley, I mean not Peter Benley, William Peter Blatty to uh to kind of. transcode all of that. And the astronaut.

in the film, Shirley Mlan, talks about. the the I can't remember if it was her. husband or boyfriend that she remarried. who was an astronaut. And in her. autobiography, she talks about he how he. was cloned. He came back from space and. a different person that he was cloned. And she kind of everybody kind of. laughed it off like, "Oh, it was just. kind of a joke that I wrote into my. autobiography.". But it's kind of weird. >> Real weird. >> Yeah, it's really strange. So, people. speak through movies and they they hide.

information in in films. And so, I think. that. >> some more than others, right? >> Yeah. William Peter Blatty kind of who. was doing all sorts of uh Ouija stuff. with uh Sherna Mlan who was really into. that kind of thing back in the you the. late 60s and early 70s and uh you know. he he sits down to write his book and. what's he writing about? Well, he's. writing that movie is about Shirley. Mlan, her daughter, her her daughter. Sash Sasha,

um Sachi, I'm sorry, Sachi and uh um you. know the astronaut and you know it's all. and Jaye Thompson who basically he. eviscerates within the film but in a way. that nobody really connects it. It all. happens off camera, >> but but the implication is is that she. was raped by that director and from and. from that moment on has a kind of, you. know, she's speaking with a British. accent as the devil. It's his voice.

actually that's coming out of her. She's. talking about, you know, being raped by. a crucifix. >> That actor that's his voice. Is that. what you're saying? >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like. the the voice of Ed of I think his name. is McGawan and he was uh he died like. shortly after the film was made also. shortly after The Exorcist was made. >> Well, we know that people have encoded. very bizarre things like Cubrick was. famous for it. >> Yeah. Well, that's Cubrick. Everybody. does it. I do it. Everybody does it. I.

mean motion pictures are a kind of magic. spell and you know when you write you're. hearing I I hear voices and they come. through me and they land on the page and. I don't know where they come from but it. is it is a kind of. >> uh in invite to possession and that. these things come into you and that you. put it on the page and then you make. this movie and everybody like I said. sits in a theater in the dark watching a.

flicker. of this thing and it's telling you both. our myths and traditions but it's also. predictive programming everybody and so. >> Jesus dude. >> have you seen [laughter]. >> have I seen what. >> well actually I I was thinking about. like that uh where the Daily Wire uh. thing but I you know media comes from a. lot of different places now uh we you. know we you don't know where you're. going to find your uh your next. entertainment and there's this show that.

uh I really like that show Rome. Did Did. you see Rome? >> No, I never saw it. >> Okay. I loved Rome. It was uh. >> I watched the first episode and I. thought it was flat. I love it because. it told the story of ancient Rome. through, you know, uh through. Shakespeare and through history and. through uh Plato and you know all these. uh kind of um ideas of ancient Rome or. Socrates and all these ideas of ancient. Rome and it then it told a very ground. level story from the perspective of like.

handmaidadens and centurions and still. has Mark Anthony and Cleopatra and. everything going on in it but it tells a. very you know soap opera-like drama. through it. And so there was this other. show and it had been out like three. seasons when I started watching it. And. it did the exact same thing. Nobody had. ever like nobody was talking about it. Nobody had ever heard about it. Most. people didn't even know about it. It's. The Chosen. Do you know this show? >> What was that? >> It does the exact same thing, but it. does it with the Gospels. And it's all.

about Christ. And it's like a low-budget. uh or it was lowbudget crowdfunded story. of Jesus and it just basically like Rome. tells this historical tale and about. Jesus and okay so I'm watching I've seen. every movie about Jesus ever made. I've. seen King of Kings of both versions. I've seen you know uh the Zepharelli. film. I've seen Last Temptation of. Christ. I've seen uh The Passion of the.

Christ. I've seen all of them. I've seen. the Jeremy Systo uh Jesus. movie. I've seen everything. I've worked. with Paul Verhovven on his Jesus uh film. that was unproduced. And so like I've. had a lot of experience in it and I. never really got it to be perfectly. honest. I never really understood the. story. This show I started watching it. I was like, "Okay, I've got a chip on my. shoulder. Let's see." And it's really. cheap. It's like rocks are made out of. styrofoam. they can't afford a uh you.

know um a house and so they just use. blankets and a gourd hanging and so it's. like it's really really inexpensive and. the the script is even a little bit. contemporary and which almost becomes. like a joke as you're watching it. It's. kind of funny but lo and behold I'm. watching it and there came a moment by. about episode three where it was like. ding I get it like Jesus is kind of punk. rock. He's he's basically saying there. are no rules to anything like you know.

you can commit miracles on the Sabbath. You like there are no rules. Anybody is. led. All you need to be is wanting of. salvation. And it was like a third eye. opened up to me. And this show is. fantastic and it breaks all the rules. It's outside of the Pharisees of. Hollywood. you know, they uh um one guy, this guy Dallas Jenkins, who's. absolutely my favorite uh modern. filmmaker right now. I think this guy's. brilliant. He's directed every single. episode of this show and they've got.

like seven seasons out and you can watch. it for free. It's. >> on what? >> On anything. Like if you have an Apple. TV, you can just look up their the. chosen app and boop, up comes the uh the. chosen app and. >> so it's an app thing. or you can watch. it on YouTube or you can watch it I. think Netflix event I think it was. Netflix eventually bought it and now. they're showing it basically you can see. it anywhere they give it away the way. the Gideonss give away the Bible and um. and you know it it I thought it was.

fantastic and then season 2 came around. and suddenly they had all this money and. they're doing all these like uh you know. they've got this ancient Judea set with. cobblestone streets and you know like. this detailed set and Roman colonades. and stuff like that and I I was like, "Wow, like they really got a big. budget." And then I looked it up and I. was like, "Oh, no. They're using the. Mormons have all these standing sets for. their biblical productions in Utah and. they're incredible. These sets are. unbelievable. If I had known, it's like. Chinacha in Utah. It's uh it's it's. absolutely fantastic." And um and the.

characters are like they only have money. for like three Romans costumes probably. And so they're kind of like making do. with what they have, but they've got. this guy playing the legot there who is. hilarious. He's an in the first season. He is absolutely hilarious. And the show. is great. And then like proper. television, you're watching it and. you're starting to love these characters. and you're starting to like it's and. it's you know what it is the bread and. butter of Hollywood is revenge and.

wrath. >> Like that's what makes that's the the. fuel that that pushes most Hollywood. movies. It is much more difficult and. and requires much more maturity to make. a movie about forgiveness. And this kid, Dallas Jenkins, I call him a kid, but. he's not a kid. That's an insult. He's. uh he's super great. He um uh he is. making every single episode is. effectively because it's the gospels. about forgiveness. And he has done this.

magnificent unbelievable achievement. And the show is huge now. They've got. like seven seasons. They've built a. studio, you know, like outside of Dallas. Fort Worth on a Salvation Army property. that they've built, you know, soundstages and everything. [clears throat] And it is um I think and. and like and that's like you can get it. anywhere. You can watch it anywhere. And. they're making programming that should. have been on HBO. It should have been. produced by HBO the way Rome was. And. instead, it's just it's coming out of. the ether. And it's almost like with the.

inattention given to you know uh most. modern. or or rather the the way that people are. making things that they're focused on. wrath and revenge like this other thing. like the Pen Dragon cycle and the chosen. have kind of risen out of out of the. vacuum that those other that the studios. have and broadcasters have kind of. created because they're not no longer.

are making that kind of product at least. not as much. And so I I think this is. actually one of the most exciting times. in in media and and television. Yeah, I. definitely think it's a very unusual. time where the normal people that are. producing things don't have. a complete monopoly on what people see. and that many of the times these. alternative things have gotten much. larger than the mainstream things. I am. I find it like almost impossible to get. a movie going. Like I'm uh you know I'm.

like an independent filmmaker. I go out. there and I usually I work on a script. and then I figure out the budgets and I. figure out and I go out and I hit the. pavement and it's like really [snorts]. hard part probably because I'm a. flatearther kid. I am not a flatearther. [laughter] I just like to provoke people. but um uh you know I go out there and I. try to get the stuff made and it's like. almost impossible. And then I built a. technology company over the last year. and uh basically making AI movies and.

all of a sudden boom like that money. gets thrown at it and all of a sudden. just by attaching the word AI and that. it's a technology- based company all of. a sudden investors you know came in and. we're in production on three films now. >> AI right now. >> three I know that's the crazy thing is. that it was so easy for me to get that. going and so difficult for me to get a. traditional movie going through the. traditional route like going to you know. A24 blah blah blah trying to like you. know hit the pavement oh I have to go to.

Europe to gather together financing and. everything like that no just put AI in. front of it and all of a sudden you're. in production on three features and. we're making a Christmas movie that a. family Christmas movie that'll be in. theaters this uh this holiday season. We're making a faith-based film for next. Easter and then we're making a kind of. big romantic war epic and like as. classical movies and we have like a. proprietary stack of technology that we. use for our process and I partnered with. this company Massive Studios AI and uh.

formed my company which is General. Cinema Dynamics and I'm based here in. Texas now and uh or my company is and. I'm slowly transitioning. >> nice And it's like it's actually kind of. I think you know so many people are. against AI like Gilmo and you know love. him but he's like [ __ ] AI [ __ ] AI but. all it is is visual effects. >> and I have experience like with that. Beowolf movie doing it and what used to. be a million dollars a minute is now.

$5,000 a minute and so to do it really. really well like it looks. kind of amazing actually. And so I think. for independent cinema and for the. future of film and television. production, these are super exciting. times. >> All right, Roger, we just burned through. 3 hours plus. >> Really? Oh my god. >> Yeah, it's already 4:00 this share with. you. All right, so what I pulled up is. this. >> This is NASA, right? This is propain. So this is a FAR TV. They're pulling in. multiple feeds. There's three different.

boxes at the bottom. As you can see, this one here in the middle says. offline. So, as I showed you also, I. pulled up the NASA feed, which is this. says it's offline. When that is offline, this channel adds a 3D model showing. where the satellite currently is so that. you can still follow along. >> 30 minutes ago, it wasn't offline and it. was showing a different feed. And I wish. I could have showed to you then, but I. didn't interrupt. So, >> got it. >> There is a flat earth YouTube or Reddit. account asking this exact thing. [clears throat] What is that? And the.

people on the flat earth Reddit gave me. the answer. >> Yeah, those the crazies the crazies have. come out to uh. >> Okay, >> so there you go. So that was what that. was. >> Well, I'm glad we put that to. >> So it just says the video description. switch to a simulation with the ISS. above the Earth when the connection is. lost, aka off. >> I was going to point that out because. you can see the stars in there and you. can't norally see the stars while you. can see the Earth. I'm glad we can be. comforted by at least one thing that is. secure and stable in our understanding.

of reality. >> Roger, that was very fun though. Thank. you very much. Let's do this. Pleasure. It was a good time. >> Really super pleasure. >> Thank you, brother. Appreciate you very. much. All right. Bye, everybody. [music]. [laughter].