Joe Rogan Experience #2451 - Cheryl Hines

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day, >> Chevro. [music]. >> Joe, >> so good to see you. >> It's really good to see you. >> What's happening? >> Everything. >> Are you good? You all right? Everything. good? >> Yeah, I'm good now. >> Yeah. Woo. >> Woo. It's been a It's been a few years. I thought about you the moment Bobby. said he was going to run for president.

>> You were the first thing I thought of. >> Thank you. >> Cuz I'm a huge fan of Curve Your. Enthusiasm. I thought you were amazing. on that show. >> Thank you. >> It's such a good show. It's maybe one of. the greatest comedy shows of all time. >> And um. >> I was like, she's not built for this. [laughter]. >> Turns out I'm not built for this. >> Nobody is. Trump is the only person I've. ever met that somehow or another. survives it and seems exactly the same. But most people who are attacked like. that, it's just like it is a natural. human instinct when you are rejected by.

your tribe to feel terrified and filled. with anxiety. But that's why people do. it and that's what encourages group. think. >> because you're terrified and you wind up. agreeing to things that are [ __ ]. insane. >> Yeah. >> Because you don't even know what you're. agreeing to. You just don't want to be. rejected by your tribe. And this is how. they keep people involved in these where. ideologies eventually become cults. >> Yes. And I think you can make a really. good argument at both the right and the. left that at in a certain certain. section of each one of these political.

parties, it's a cult. >> Yes. Because there, you know, most of us. are sort of in the center. >> Yes. >> Right. And then you have the 10% on this. side, the 10% on this side that are uh. so extreme. >> and loud and they keep everybody fired. up and it it is cult like, >> right? Yet it's it's weird. It's weird. to watch intelligent people get [snorts]. captured in it. I was just watching this. uh video with Bill Maher and Bill Maher.

had Adam Coroll on and Bill Maher was. talking about how Jimmy Kimmel won't. talk to him anymore. >> Like they have this like spat because of. politics. Bill Maher is very much a. leftwing person. He has been his whole. life. He has not changed his opinions at. all, but he's always been very. reasonable and willing to criticize the. left as well as the right. >> Yes. And I I don't know if it was. because he had dinner with Trump and he. met with him, which is just crazy. You're not supposed to talk to people. that are the president of the United. States. >> It is crazy. I know. I was just talking.

to Bill Maher and we were talking about. this. >> Oh. >> Yeah. Because he was like, >> you said exactly what you said. >> I sat down and had dinner with the. president and people went insane. Yeah. And so people, listen, I know that. feeling cuz even when Bobby started. running for president, even when he. started running as a Democrat, >> people were angry. >> Well, they're just. >> Democrats were angry. >> They're just mean. Like when it comes to. politics, people just get so mean. It's.

like these are not the type of people. you ever want in any position of power. People the least charitable, most. vicious people. the moment you are. running against them in a political. party, they will pull out all the stops, take things out of context, lie about. you. >> Yes. Even if they're I even if you're in. their party, it it doesn't matter. It. doesn't matter 100%. which was that was. um challenging because you know like. Hollywood is. competitive and it's hard and you are.

you know you're hustling you're working. really hard but you're not um trying to. tear other people down. >> right. >> so politics as soon as you say as soon. as he said I'm well no I'm sorry before. that the people were coming after him. >> they were always coming They were always. coming after him, but but it kicked up a. notch when he decided to run for. president. >> Oh, a big notch, I'm sure. Yeah. >> And it was just And it's just weird, you.

know, and there was like a feel a feeling of. doom. >> for me. He's Bobby's tough. >> He's so faking tough like. >> Well, they've been coming after him for. like 20 years. >> Yeah. >> So, he's just developed a rhino scandal. >> Yeah. And I, you know, and I was I was. like, "Oh my god, >> I'm not gonna make it.". >> You know, a good indication how they. come after themselves, each other. rather, is during the debate with Kamla.

and Biden when Kamla was accusing Biden. of at the very least sexual assault, right? Like this. >> the sort of creepy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It seemed like she was accusing him of. sexual assault and then when they. confronted her on it, she's like, "It. was a debate. That's what literally what she said. >> That is the really strange thing about. politics that I'm I'm still getting used. to is they will viciously attack each. other and then a minute later in the.

hallway it's like, "Hey, how's it going. you?" [laughter] And I'm I'm still in. shock, you know? I'm still angry about. what just happened in there. And they're. they're already over it and they're. already like, "Yeah, that's politics. That's what we do." Did you ever see the. debates with Mitt Romney and Barack. Obama? >> I'm sure I did, but I never. >> Can you see if you could pull some of. that up? God, why can't we go back to. that? >> Like, >> was it like civilized? >> Oh, completely. Yeah. >> For Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney is like.

he's Mormon, like super religious guy, never swears, probably doesn't do. anything, right? So, he's like super. polite. Yes. >> And then Barack Obama because, you know, they're matching each other's energy. He. was very polite, too. They disagreed on. many things, but they were talking about. what they wanted to do, >> not how this guy's a piece of [ __ ] and. they've been stealing and robbing and. this and that and. >> or you know how they look turned into. that where. >> Trump which is crazy [laughter] when you. look like that.

>> You know what I'm saying? I mean it's. like the guy makes fun of his own hair. like he makes fun of his comb over he's. like but here it is. >> Governor Romney and the University of. Denver [music] for your hospitality. The. only person on this stage is a convicted. felon. This man I'm looking at. >> Okay. This is just a comparison between. that's that was the Biden ones with. Trump were the worst because they were. trying to map Trump's energy match. Trump's energy. >> Well, they didn't know how to debate. him. >> Yeah. >> That's what. >> I think he does. Well, >> if you wanted to diffuse that, >> what you would say is like this is not.

productive for anybody, >> right? Like if you want to have like a. completely separate conversation about. who's a bigger piece of [ __ ] and you. want to do a podcast and you and me talk. about how I think you're a piece of. [ __ ] you think I'm a piece of [ __ ]. That's one thing. But you have x amount. of time to say how you're going to run. the country. >> country. >> and what you think is wrong with the. policies, what you think is wrong with. where we're spending money, what you. think was all the above. >> Yes. >> Yeah. That's what you're supposed to do. >> Yes. >> And the idea that you can't win that way. is crazy. It is crazy.

>> It's crazy. >> And it's it's really weird, too, that. a lot, some, not all, politicians really. work on I got to get a catchphrase in. there. >> Well, Trump's really good at that. [laughter] Like, he names people. Crooked Hillary, Sleepy Joe. It works. >> It It works. >> It did work. I mean, it. >> because people get so thrown off they. they don't know how to respond. They, like you said, that's what they should. say. >> But it they just get throw so thrown off.

that it's just uh paralyzing. >> Well, at least in this day and age, there's a method through social media. for you to respond. If something you. don't you think is inaccurate or. whatever, you can respond. But, uh, there was a time where there was. nothing. Yeah. >> And whatever political party was in. power, they controlled everything. They. controlled all the news stories about. you. They controlled everything. There's. a great story with uh Hunter S. Thompson. and Ed Musky's running for president and. Hunter S. Thompson makes this crazy.

rumor about how he's addicted to Ibagane. and he has a Brazilian witch doctor. comes in and treats him and this guy. literally cracks on the campaign trail. because Hunter S. Thompson said this. made up this crazy story about him and. this guy, you see him having nervous. breakdowns on the campaign trail like. his subsequent speeches are all like. nuts and he falls off. >> Yeah. But he was like a front runner at. one point in time or at least he was. very competitive and it just. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> just they killed him. >> Well, it's a power of words. Yes. >> Which um by the way you know when Bobby.

decided to run and he and I talked about. this in my book Unscripted uh when he. came on your podcast was a game changer, right? Because everything that you're. saying. it is true and and the press was going. hard. They still do. They're going They. were going hard at Bobby like he's this, he's that. Here's what he thinks. Here's. what he. >> right, >> you know, represents. And then he came. on your podcast and you guys had a.

conversation. >> Yeah. >> And you know what? You're curious and. you're a great listener and you're not. judgmental and people heard what Bobby. had to say and it changed everything for. him. >> Well, I think it helped also that I knew. who he was. Uh, I read his book and I. had also had negative opinions of him. before I actually read what he said. >> Interesting. Yeah. >> What were your opinions? >> So before the pandemic, before the.

pandemic, I was firmly on the side of. science. I was much more of a. left-wingleaning person. I just assumed. these people running universities, these. academics, whatever they said was. accurate. Everybody else was a fool and. they believed in snake oil and. witchcraft. Right? This is what I. thought. >> Okay? And then during the pandemic, I. was like, "Okay, these experts are. clearly lying. I know they're lying. because they're literally lying about. me, right?" So, >> which was crazy. So, when you're in it. and you know who you are and you know.

>> how you're feeling and what your body is. doing and other people, news outlets are. saying, "Uh-uh, that's not true. It's. got to feel so weird.". >> Well, it felt really weird because they. weren't addressing the fact that it was. healthy. That was crazy. It's like. you're [laughter] talking about this. massive pandemic and you've got this guy. in his 50s. You know, I'm supposed to be. a vulnerable person and I'm in my 50s. and I got over it in a couple of days. and I'm telling everybody how I did it. and they're they're saying that I'm some. quack who's taking veterinary medicine, >> right? >> Which is just a it was just a flatout.

lie, but it was weird. >> It was weird to watch. It didn't like it. didn't give me anxiety. >> It It made me laugh a lot. I laughed a. lot cuz fortunately during this entire. time period I was doing standup and. hanging out with comedians. We all. thought it was so funny. Like, bro, CNN. is so full of [ __ ] This is crazy. I. never would have believed it. >> Yeah. But, and you have this outlet and. you were able to talk about it and tell. people. So, it's like. >> they weren't picking. They thought they. were picking on me cuz they thought they. were the bully, but during the whole.

exchange, they went, "Oh my god, this. thing's way bigger than we thought it. was.". >> Yeah. So my show was like 10 times more. listeners and viewers than their show, which is crazy cuz all I can do is come. on here and go, "Are you [ __ ] out of. Do I need to sue you people? You guys. are cracked.". >> It's It is crazy. >> It's crazy. >> So yeah. So you saw things firsthand. that you hadn't experienced before. >> Yeah. And then um when I read Bobby's. book um one of the things that I knew. about Bobby before. >> the Fouchy book or.

>> Yes. the real Anthony Fouch, which was. just. >> I I would read it. I would listen to it. on audio tape in the sauna. So, I'm. sitting there cooking at 196 degrees or. well, you're already kind of freaking. out because you can only stay in there. so long before you die. You know, that's. the whole key of the sauna. Like, you. get it way before you're going to die. That's when you get out. But if you. stayed in there for a few hours, you're. a dead man. >> Um, and so I'm kind of freaking out. already. And I'm like, this is the. nuttiest story of one guy and his.

cohorts who have been doing this kind of. [ __ ] The same [ __ ] they were doing. during the pandemic, suppressing other. medication, promoting something that. they had that they were going to make a. massive profit off of, gaslighting. people, lying about the data, lying. about this is the thing they did during. the AIDS crisis. And. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And there footnote after footnote, reference after reference. Exactly. >> Saying this is here's this, here's that. I'm not making this up. >> No lawsuits. >> No one's trying to sue him. They you and. this is one thing I keep bringing up. If.

none if that was lies, people would have. they would document how it's not true. They would show the actual paperwork. They show the actual data. This is how. it's not. No, it's all true. Which is. >> you go, well, how do I not know this? And what what kind of irresponsible. journalism do we have in this country. where this has happened and it takes. this one guy to publish this book before. people start talking about it. >> Yeah. I also knew his work as an. environmental attorney and I think that. was that's a very important thing for. people to realize like what he did was.

essentially help clean up the East River. and if it wasn't for him and his work. that would still be probably a polluted. [ __ ] hole unless somebody else came. along and stopped these corporations. from polluting the river and then forced. them to clean it up. >> Right? >> That shantic. And by the way, you know, when people talk about Bobby and they. want to paint him as somebody who is. trying to hurt people or kill people or. whatever that sounds like or looks like,

>> you look at his career and who he is and. what he's accomplished. Yeah. He spent a. lot of time suing. huge corporations because they're. polluting waterways. uh because it's hurting people, killing. people, giving pe people cancer. So why. would he spend all of his life fighting. for people, fighting for individuals, you know, uh and then um suddenly change. and want to really hurt a lot of people.

It just doesn't track. It doesn't make. sense at all. >> Well, the whole thing came about because. of vaccines and his questioning of the. vaccine narrative, which is now way more. mainstream. Um because I like many. people said the scientists must be. correct. Everybody else is a cook. You. got to get your vaccines. You got to do. whatever you have to do. But I was also. pretty aware of I had a a friend who had. a child that they vaccinated him and. when they vaccinated him, he stopped. responding and he never responded again.

He became. >> non-verbal autistic for his whole life. >> Yeah. >> And he firmly believed it was because of. the child's reaction to the vaccines. That's a taboo to bring up. When you. bring that up, people immediately back. off. They get scared, they get nervous. >> I firmly believe that when you have this. sort of a visceral reaction to any sort. of a subject like that without a a. rational examining of what is objective. truth, >> right? >> When you have that visceral reaction,

>> something's happened. You've been. co-opted. There's a thought in your head. that you can't question this or you'll. be ostracized. You'll be cast out of the. crew, the crew, the tribe. You're out. Yeah. And that's what everyone's afraid. of. that is what because that is what. happens as we as as we've seen but to. that point. you know as mother I it's so frustrating. to hear parents say this is my. experience this is the experience I had.

with my own child I'm with this child. every day after the vaccine there was a. change this is what this is my. experience and for people to. >> get mad at them for even like you're. saying talking about it. >> Mhm. >> They're not allowed to talk about the. experience they had or. >> ask why it happened or. you know let people talk to each other. to see if they have shared experiences. that can lead us to something better,

>> right? >> It's crazy. >> It's crazy. And it shouldn't be uh it. shouldn't be accepted. We shouldn't. communicate like that. It's not smart. It's we've been lied to so many times. I. mean, why would you just assume that. that stopped that that has ended? You. know, if you just go back and think. about all the different things that both. the government and of course. pharmaceutical drug companies have lied. about or at least been wrong about the. amount of drugs that they had to pull, it's [ __ ] substantial. It's a giant.

chunk. >> Well, that's the question. So we. understand and accept that there have. been drugs out there that everybody. thought were good, were helpful, and. then 10 years later, 20 years later, the companies, scientists, whomever realize, oh, actually they're doing more harm than. good. >> What about the like what it did with. birth defects in children? >> It's, you know, >> it's crazy. They used to prescribe that. to mothers.

>> Well, it's even like uh getting x-rayed. Yeah, >> they used to have mothers, you know, that were pregnant x-rayed to. see how the baby was doing. >> for a long time. >> It would be cool if it gave the baby. superpowers, but it never does. It only. happens in the science. >> and that never works out on them. >> Comic books in science fiction. >> Yeah. >> If you're feeling a little off, it's. okay. It's February. Everybody feels a. little off in February. It's darker. It's colder. You probably already gave. up on some New Year's resolutions. But.

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>> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. It's intense. >> Do you ever see those images of uh what. happened to the women that used to work. in those X-ray offices? So, every day. they used to have to turn on the X-ray. machine. They would x-ray their hand to. make sure that it would work. >> And they all got like hand cancer. >> Oh, it's horrible. It's weird because. they have one hand that looks normal and. one hand that looks like a like a wicked. witch hand, >> right? So, >> see if you can [clears throat] find some. of those. It's very strict because we. didn't know any better, >> right? Because we didn't know, nobody. nobody was out to kill anybody, to.

murder, to do harm. But it was doing. harm. So, >> let's take a step back, readjust, and do. something different. Well, the extreme. amount of money that pharmaceutical drug. companies have put into making sure that. they're in control of the narrative or. at least they're influencing the. narrative. Like this is this lady. >> Wow. >> Isn't that crazy? >> Isn't that crazy? >> That's crazy. >> And that's just from X-raying your hand.

>> Said they would use it to calibrate the. machine every day. >> Oh my god. >> Test their hand first. >> That lady cooked her hand. Isn't that. awful? Ooh, it's so spooky. That's. really crazy. >> Yikes. >> What are the You're not going to have. the answer to this, but. >> I might. >> What are the What are the things, you. know, that we have to go through in the. airport? >> Oh, yeah. >> That's radio. Yeah, that's like a radio. frequency, right? What is that? Let's. Let's pull that up. I do not think that. that's dangerous. But. >> look, there's a lot of people that think. Wi-Fi is dangerous. There's a lot of.

people that think that 5G is dangerous. They think that EMF from even electric. cars is dangerous. There's people. telling you you shouldn't have earbuds. in your ears. >> You know, you should only uh listen with. a cord or speaker if you can, >> right? >> Well, it makes sense. You've got things. >> going directly into your head to your. brain. >> Yeah. It's probably not the best thing. for you. But I mean, it's like how many. people are wearing AirPods and how. little damage is it actually doing? That's the question is like how what is.

the real issue? Most TSA body scanners. use millimeter wave radio waves. >> Okay. Um, so not X-rays and do not add. to your ionizing radiation exposure. So, um, so it's not X-ray based, right? It's. radio wave. But is it what is it? Is it. dangerous? How does the dose compared to. a flight? What is that? X-ray scanners. Um, that's just scanners. Um, is there. any dam faith that this is okay? >> Followup. Uh, millimeter wave scanner. radiation.

Is it dangerous? Is there any dangerous? uh aspects of it. Health and radiation. protection agencies note that doses from. older back scatter X-ray scanners were. extremely low. Whatever. Meanwhile, they. [ __ ] don't go anywhere near it when. they turn it on, right? When you go to. the dentist office, they hide behind a. >> W to the other room and you're like, what? >> They're in a [ __ ] bunker right next. to my head. >> I know. And they make you wear like a. lead vest over your your body. >> Yeah. It's intense. I mean, >> do they still do that?

>> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yes. I haven't gotten one of those. with the lead vest in a while. >> No. And they You're right. They go into. the other room and they're like, "Uh, don't move." And you're just sitting. there with a, you know, >> if there's any word anyone should have. about these body scanners. Let's see. >> I mean, I don't want to c I'm not. causing any outrage here. I'm just. curious. [laughter]. >> Yeah, it's I was just flying. I was. like, >> the TSA ones are dangerous. Major health. agencies did not see any proven health. risk at the levels used, but people. still raise a few practical concerns. So.

millimeter wave scanners use low power. nonionizing radio waves and studies and. reviews have not found harmful effects. at the power levels used in airport. screening. Um sensitive groups analysis. that modeled risk for children pregnant. people. What? Why does it say pregnant. people? >> Which kind of people can get pregnant? Do you think Hey AI? Hey super genius. You think maybe it's women? You [ __ ]. [ __ ] uh and frequent flyers still. [laughter] found that low added risk.

from vax scatter scanners far below. routine medical x-rays or even the. radiation from flying itself. Well, that. that is a thing too. >> All right. Radiation in the plane. >> flying when you're flying. >> I mean, there's so many things. Isn't it. just we're all going down? >> Um put that into perplexity, please. What is um why is. flying why why does that give you. radiation? Is it because you're closer. to the sun? Like what is it? Less. protection. Yes. >> Yeah. Is that what it is? >> Yes.

>> Is that all it is? >> Yeah. Mostly I mean, you know, >> you're up high. >> Yeah. There's not a lot of stuff to. diffuse it. >> Less air. >> Something I saw someone bring up. recently, too. Having those screens. right behind your head, cuz there's one. in. >> every Oh, that's got to be bad for you. >> Millime [laughter] away from your head. >> Well, Wi-Fi on the plane, it's like just. bouncing around. Is it? Yeah. >> Wi-Fi. Well, they used to be able to. smoke, >> which is crazy. I was just [laughter]. the plane that I was on had the no. smoking sign and it's. >> I would feel super uncomfortable getting. on that plane. That plane. >> it's not a good old ass plane. >> Yeah. When you're like, "Okay, how old.

is this [ __ ] plane?" They used to. have little ashtrays. Remember those in. the seats? >> And that's really crazy. >> And typical commercial flight, you get a. small dose of extra cosmic radiation on. the order of what you expect from a. medical X-ray spread out over several. hours. >> Whoa. So, every time you fly, it's like. getting x-rayed. >> That's kind of crazy. What What happens. to pilots? Okay. [snorts]. >> Yeah, that's uh that's a good question. >> Do pilots have any health risks from. radiation exposure while flying?

>> Yeah, it's a good question. >> Because I would imagine if you're flying. all the time, >> they're the ones that would. >> It's like getting an X-ray every day. >> That's. I mean, everything is killing us, right? That's why I came on. I wanted to hear. what's going to kill us first. [laughter]. >> I don't think. >> there's so many things. This is going to. be a like a. >> I don't think everything. >> meteorite that's going to hit us first. >> Okay, but there's a lot of stuff keeping. us alive longer now, too. Pilots and. other air crew do get more radiation.

than typical travelers. But whether that. causes health problems is still being. studied and any added risk appears. modest on a personal level. like they. would be the ones that you would be able. to study from the best whether or not. flying and flight attendants whether or. not flying is actually bad for you. >> Well, we haven't heard anything yet. >> No. So, that's good. >> You would imagine that. a long time. Many studies find pilots. and flight attendants have higher rates. of some cancers. Uhoh. Particularly. melanoma and other skin cancers and in. some studies breast cancer. However,

reviews say it's not clear how much of. it is from cosmic radiation versus other. factors such as disrupted sleep. That's. true. Like UV exposure during off time. and lifestyle. Firm causal link to. flight radiation alone has not been. established. That does make sense with. the disrupted sleep cuz I I talked to a. pilot once who did like a lot of late. night flights and it's like your your. whole body is just so wrecked. Like. people who do the night shift like that. can't be good for you. Your circadian. rhythm is all [ __ ] up. you're sleeping.

during the day. >> Can you adjust though? Can't you adjust. >> if you can? >> But if you're the guy who gets the night. shift every night, >> you know, you're working at a factory. and you you punch in at like 8:00 p.m. >> Like, you're not That's just your life, man. That's how you live. >> It's like shooting a film and you do. like three or four night shoots, >> someone snaps. >> Yeah. >> There's always one person that just like. kills. >> can't handle it. >> Freaking crazy. You're. >> Oh no, Chad just went [laughter].

We just lost Chad. I don't know what. happened to him, but he freaked out. >> Some people when they can't sleep, they. become big babies. >> Yeah. Very emotional. Very emotional. >> Well, there's a thing. There's an. indulgence on sets too from actors. It's. like. there's a kind of a lack of appreciation. sometimes of because you just get. accustomed to it of how fortunate you. are to be able to do what you do. >> Yeah. You know, very few people get to. be an actor in a movie. Yeah. And you're.

spazzing out because you didn't get. enough sleep. >> Yeah. And then meanwhile, the crew, >> right, >> really didn't get enough sleep. >> They didn't get enough sleep either. >> They're they're working two hours before. you and two hours after. >> But if they spaz out, they'll get fired. >> Yeah. Immediately. >> Yeah. And that's the difference. Like. it's not an equality thing. So these. people all they're they're aware they're. like royalty walking around this film. set, you know? It's kind of odd. >> Well, it is odd. And at the same time, it's. it's a it's a very uh unique experience,

right? Because this person has to be on. camera and every inch of their face is, you know, going to be six feet tall in a. movie theater. And so, everybody's just. making sure that person is doing okay. and they look okay and they feel okay. Cuz if they don't, >> then they don't you don't have anything. you don't have anything to shoot. So, everybody is just like, >> "Yeah, >> are you okay? Are you feeling okay? Are. you hydrated? Do you need water? Do you. need a piece of turkey?".

>> Well, the of the results of that like. psychologically over a prolonged period. of time, people usually get really. weird. >> Yeah, agree. >> That's the their normal experience is. everybody's treating them like, "Can I. take care of your hair? Can you do your lips? [laughter]. Brush your shoulders off." It's true. >> It's cookie. It's kooky. And that's why, you know, the people that start early, especially that have success early. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's not It's not good. It's not a good.

way to kick off your life. It's like, this is not normal. If you think this is. normal, this you're going to be real sad. in a few years cuz. >> and I don't think you can recover from a. bad developmental period that way. >> That's hard. >> It's different. It's different than. anything else. Like you could have a bad. childhood and it'll make you more. resilient. But a bad childhood in front. of the whole world. >> and you've never had to really work and. you've never had to really struggle and. you've been famous since you were young. So your interactions with people from. the time you were young is people loving. you for your work which is.

>> not good for kids. >> No, it's not. And the way you look that. that's a big part of it which is hard. >> So it's not just your work, you know, it's like. >> what we're talking about. You have to. look good while you're doing it. That's. part of the job. Especially as a woman, that's a big factor. But I always liken. it to like concrete. Like if you make. concrete incorrectly. So like if you. decide to mix it, but you don't add. enough water or you don't It's only you. can add water later once it's solid. It's like that's what it is. It's just.

going to be sucky, weak ass concrete. that's going to break. >> Wait, when did you get uh What was your. first break? Was it Was it News Radio? >> Yeah. Well, I was on another show before. News Radio called Hardball. It was a. sitcom that was on Fox. That's what I. actually moved out to LA for. And if if. that show got cancelled and if I didn't. have a lease on an apartment, I would. have went back to New York. I hated it. I didn't. >> Why Why did you hate it? >> Well, I didn't like the whole scene. I. It felt I was used to.

um fight gyms, pool halls, and comedy. clubs. Those are the people I was used. to. Mhm. >> They are the funniest, like most brash, blunt people, and everybody's cracking. on everybody and it's like it's jolly. These are those are jolly places for the. most part. >> Yeah. >> And then I went from there to this weird. world of group think. >> and uh seeing people read the Hollywood. Reporter every day and get really upset. Yes. >> And I would keep telling them like. that's the devil's rag. Like why are you.

reading that? Like don't read that. >> Right. because they're just mad that. they didn't get the role or they didn't. get the the film or whatever. It it is. odd, but yes, that. >> it's kooky and it's also the group think. thing. It's like I I saw it like right. away. Like if a film was really good, if. everybody decided it was really good, you had to say it was really good. You. couldn't say I [ __ ] hated that movie. >> Like there was this Jack Nicholson movie. where he played this [ __ ] and I think. it was Helen Hunt played as good as it. get. >> Yes, that one. And I was like Jesus.

Christ. Like why? The whole idea was. that he was a [ __ ] up dude because he. was on some sort of a medication and. that medication made him racist. Like it. didn't make any sense. [laughter]. The whole the whole thing was nuts. And. I remember everybody saying, "What an. amazing movie." I'm like, "God, I felt. bad for her. Like, get the [ __ ] out of. that relationship. Find someone who's. nice to you. This is crazy.". >> Yeah. >> This is crazy. Like it didn't make any. sense. And I remember like arguing with. people on a set about it and like they. were all like, "Uh, oh, I thought it was.

an amazing film." Like they had to say. it, right? It was Jack Nicholson. Oh, no. It was amazing movie. I was like, "That movie is [ __ ] depressing, man.". Like that was all that poor lady had. >> She This [ __ ] [ __ ] this old. [ __ ] was. >> was it was like the movie Precious. >> I didn't see that. >> Yeah, I heard that was just you were. just watching it. You're like, "Well, nothing else bad could happen." And then. it's. >> another thing happens. >> No, it's just gets worse. And by the end. of it, you're just you're just feeling.

like why are we alive? >> Yeah. I don't like those kind of movies. I don't want to feel depressed and. >> No. Okay. So So then you got. >> then news radio. >> News radio. >> So that I stayed in in LA just because I. had a lease. That was it. [laughter]. >> I'm not kidding. I was so ready to go. >> You were not going to break that lease. >> I was trying to say I didn't have the. money. I was like I was like, "Okay, I. have some money cuz I did the sitcom for. six episodes." So, I had some money. So, I was like, "How much money would it. cost me to just [ __ ] pay this lease. off and just jet.

>> and I was like, is that. >> I just stay here." And then I got. another development deal. I got a. development deal with NBC and they had. this p before I did a show. They said, "We have this show that we have a pilot. for, but we're going to fire this one. person on the pilot." And would you you. come in and read for it? >> Did you know did you know who was being. fired? >> Yeah. Well, it was actually a friend of. mine. >> Did you know at the time? >> Well, he got repl Ray Romano. So, who's. a good friend of mine? >> He's a friend of mine. >> He's awesome. And I had worked with Ry.

like multiple times in New York. But Ray. got fired and then they replaced him. with another guy who's in the pilot. And. then they decided to fire that guy. So, I was like, "Okay, well, at least I'm. not taking Ray's job." I'm taking But. then Ray went out to do Everybody Loves. Raymond, which was him getting fired was. the best thing that ever happened to. him. So then I go in and um they they. let me watch the pilot. It was already. made and so I got to see it's Phil. Hartman and Dave Foley and Candy. Alexander and Mora Tyranny and Andy Dick. and Steven Root. I'm like holy [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Like I can be on this show. The show was.

amazing. >> So I did that. >> Then I did Fear Factor. >> Well, how long was. news radio? >> Five years. >> Wow. >> Yeah. But it really wasn't popular. It. was only popular on reruns once it yeah. once it got into syndication because we. moved around like over the course of. five years we moved nine times I believe. >> when when you were doing um news radio. that's right I don't know what years. >> it was 94 to 99.

>> okay so I got curve your enthusiasm in. 99 so before that I was working for. Robin Michelle Reiner. >> as as a personal assistant. >> and I was also doing like catering at. night sometimes just to to make ends. meet. And one of my jobs when and I. never knew what the job would be. You. know, they'd say show up here at. whatever 5:00. One of my jobs one time was it news. radio. There was a little green room.

where you know um agents and people VIP. >> and I was in charge of like making sure. the food on the table looked good. >> That's hilarious. >> I just stood there for hours. I think. Phil Hartman came in and was like, "Hey, I didn't know him at the time. you know, met him and uh he said, "Oh, you know, who are you here to see?" I said, "Oh, I'm just in charge of this table." But.

that was my big job for the night. [laughter]. >> My friend Joey Diaz, uh, who is at that. time he had just recently gotten out of. jail. >> Um, he came to visit me on the set and, uh, he realized that the good food was. all in the VIP green room. So, and he. back he's like he's he got overweight. for a while, but back then he wasn't. Back then he just look like a big. football player. He's like a big scary. looking Cuban guy [laughter]. and he was in there eating a shrimp. cocktail and they were like, "Who is the.

scary guy that's eating and is he. supposed to be in here?" They all like. freaked out cuz Joey went into like the. super secret room and I was wondering I. wonder if he went in there when you were. in there. >> Oh, could you imagine if I was like, "Excuse me, sir. You could only have six. [laughter] shrimp. though. I have to. watch the table. >> Well, he wasn't supposed to be in there. He just went in. He was just my friend. hanging out and he just went in there. He's like, "This is where the good food. is." And [laughter] he went in there and. started chowing down. They were all. freaking out. It was very funny. It was. very funny. Um, but. >> but did you like LA any better when you.

were doing news radio? >> I always wanted to leave. I I I always. felt like it was radioactive. I always. felt like there's a part of this. It's. Look, the weather's great. >> Beautiful. >> The comedy store was amazing. It was. great to have that place, but there's. too many people. When there's that many. people, I think you devalue people. I. don't think people are worthwhile to. you. I think people are way better off. living in a small town or a small city. I think it's healthier. I really. >> Yeah. I just I just think when people.

become a when you get on the highway and. you see millions of people like [ __ ] and. you see like the 405 at like 400 p.m. It's. >> like 10 lanes just bumper to bumper in. both directions. >> and everybody thinks that everybody else. is annoying because you're in your way. Everybody on the on the road. Yeah. Get. in front of you like you're not going. anywhere and someone decides to get in. front of you like this [ __ ] guy. True. Everybody gets crazy. >> It is true. >> Not healthy. No, >> I felt like that wasn't healthy and I.

really hated the whole mentality behind. the group think that was a part of. Hollywood because everybody's trying to. get cast in something and in order to. get cast in something, you have to be. you have to ingratiate yourself with the. producers and the casting directors. Everybody has to like you. So, you have. to have the same opinions as they do. And if you don't, you have to fake it. And I was like, this is gross. Like, this is gross. The way they behave is. gross. The casting people would treat. treat you was gross. I didn't like it at. all. Well, you mean just going in and. auditioning because No, it was hard.

>> Well, there was a lot of it where there. was like this arrogance. This like this. like they're giving you this chance, so. they're like really arrogant. I was. like, "Hey, I don't even care about. this." Like. >> that's why you got the part. >> Probably got some of the things. It's. why I got uh Fear Factor because I was. the only one who made fun of it. >> And did you you never had to do you. never had to like eat the spiders? >> I I ate a bunch of stuff. I ate some. spiders. Yeah. I ate a Iraqi cave. spider. I ate a Madagascar hissing.

cockroach. I ate a tomato hornw worm. >> I ate a sheep's eyeball. I ate a bunch. of stuff cuz I ate it just to show the. people that you could eat it. >> Ew. Did you ever throw up after? >> No. I only threw up once at home. >> I was [laughter] You waited until you. got home. >> Villa was really good at editing. They. did a great job. And there [laughter]. was this girl that was she was she had. >> sound like Bobby. Bobby has never thrown. up. It's just that he doesn't. So, he. will eat anything and do anything. And. >> well, I've definitely thrown up. Um, but.

this time it was this lady was eating. worms and she had to swallow the worms. and she couldn't. So, she spit them up. into the glass and then she had she. could keep going if she could reink what. was in the glass that she already spit. up. And so, she did it. I went. ran into [laughter] the kitchen and. threw up in the sink. And I was like, how? And I kept thinking, how odd, like. what a great job they did with like the. editing and the music that it got me so. wrapped up in it. Even though I was at. home, I was like 5 feet away from that.

lady while she was doing that. I didn't. throw up. >> And it didn't bother you. >> It bothered me, but I was trying to help. her. I was trying to get her talk her. through it. >> That's why you were so good on it. because you were never making fun of. people. You were. >> I definitely made fun of people. >> Well, but but not but not in a You're so. crazy to be on this show. And why are. you crying? you're the one that wanted. to come on. You were you were very uh. >> I wanted to help them try I wanted to. help them at the very least do their. best. And there was a lot of it that I.

said, "Look, I know this sounds crazy, but if you just force yourself to chew. this and swallow it, you could do it. You got to just take your mind out of. this place. It's not that bad." And. sometimes I would eat things just to. show them. >> Ew. >> Like I ate a roach just to show my I'll. eat this if you do. Like I. [clears throat] want you eat this roach. It's not that big a deal. >> Ew. Did you chew it? Yes. >> Yeah. You have to. You can't swallow it. It'll be what it tastes like. >> Not much. >> Yeah. They don't They don't. >> Yeah, I know. It's But it's in your. head. It doesn't. >> crunchy. Sure.

>> Real crunchy. >> Yeah. >> But the actual taste itself was not bad. >> It I mean, it wasn't good. It wasn't. like I look forward of roaches. >> And what about rats? Did you do a lot of. rat work? >> We did work with rats where people had. to like lie in a thing in a coffin and. covered them with rats and the rats. would be nibble on. >> Uhuh. >> Yeah. That's not good. But they were pet. rats. I mean, they were fed a healthy. diet. >> Rats. >> They were They were like raised rats. They weren't like dangerous street rats. that have been eating each other. >> Did any I mean, you probably can't talk. about it, but did anything ever go.

horribly. >> horribly wrong? No. Really? >> No. The We got lucky, though. It's just. luck. I really believe that. >> because uh we made them ride bulls once. and. >> Yeah. And you can't control a bull. >> I told the people, "Don't do it." When. when all the contestants I said, I. wouldn't do this. I'll tell you right. now, I don't think you should do it. >> because it's not worth it. I go, the. kind of catastrophic injury that you get. from a bull stomping on your face, it's. like, you don't come back from that. Okay? You have to understand, there's. not a 0% possibility that this bull will.

stomp you or kick you while you're in. the air being launched off its body and. get kicked in the face. Like, that's. possible. Don't do it. I wouldn't do it. >> Some people would back out, right? >> They all did it. >> They all did it. >> They all did it. I think I'm pretty sure. they got anybody back from the bull. How. do you I mean this. >> they got they flew this one lady weighed. like 98 lbs and she got she got bucked. and she went flying and landed right on. her back and was like knocked out. >> Yeah, it was horrible. I I would have. never done that. I mean, and look, I've.

had Bill Bull riders on the podcast. before. I I you know, I've talked to. multiple We had Bull Riders on Fear. Factor. >> Doesn't it This is You might know this. is. >> Is that you? Yeah. Did you see it? >> What a great tone. Hey, put him on. speaker phone. >> Seriously? [laughter]. >> Yeah. Why not? Honey, you're on speaker. I'm here with. Joe. >> We're on the podcast. >> You're on the podcast, so don't swear. >> Hello. [laughter]. >> Can you hear me, honey? You're on. I'm. We're talking to Joe right now at your.

live. [laughter]. >> Well, thanks. Hey, Joe. I'm looking forward to seeing. you in a couple of weeks. >> Yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing you, too. You probably shouldn't have told. people that cuz then they'll start. attacking you. Is there anything you. need to tell me or? >> I was just gonna ask you to be nice to. my wife. >> Oh, why [laughter] didn't you call me? >> I'm in tears over here, honey. It's. really It's going horribly. [laughter]. >> All right. Well, bring me back some of. that alpha.

>> alpha brain. >> Yeah, we'll do. >> Okay, baby. I love you. >> Take care. >> Love you. >> Bye, Bobby. Love you, too. [laughter]. >> Sorry. >> That's hilarious. What was the uh what. were you showing me? >> That Mexican OT did bull stuffing. >> No, Mexican O did it. >> He got [ __ ] up. >> No, I mean he got up and ran away, but. he's. >> Oh my god. >> This is a guest that was on my podcast. He's awesome. He's a brilliant rapper. >> Oh my goodness, dude. >> Got him good. >> Oh my goodness, dude.

>> That's so terrible. >> Oh my goodness, dude. Don't do that no. more. >> I mean, can I ask a question to. >> to the men? I mean, do you wear special. equipment down there when you. >> Yes, I I assume they do. They might not. while they're doing that cuz I saw one. guy get a horn right up his butt. >> Yeah, but there's no special equipment. is going to protect you there. >> But what about your. >> Yeah, you should wear a cup. >> You should wear something. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> cuz that's doesn't seem like that's. healthy. >> Nope. Definitely not [laughter] healthy.

>> I don't think there's anything healthy. about it, right? >> No, definitely not healthy. >> I mean, it's just like a lot of pressure. on your. >> Oh, yeah. >> For sure. Yeah. Yeah. >> Have you ever done it? >> What? >> Oh, what? >> Bull riding. Yeah. >> No. No. I told you I would never do. that. [laughter]. >> I thought you were just telling the. other people not to do it. >> Oh, no. I would. No. No. No. No. No. I I. I have a healthy respect for animals. >> Yeah. >> Especially big ones. I think people get. super delusional. We also get super. delusional when we compare size. Like if.

you say, "Oh, a monkey smaller than me.". That thing will [ __ ] kill you. Like. don't get crazy. It'll pick your eyes. out, right? >> Oh, they rip your face apart. Yeah. There there's a crazy video of this guy. in India who's sitting down and he lets. this monkey like sit on his lap and he's. like being all calm with the monkey and. then the monkey just decides to tear a. giant chunk off his scalp. >> and the way it does it it just bites his. head and just yanks like a. football-sized piece of meat off this. guy's head and you're like. >> and there's no stopping it. There's no.

stopping it once it starts happening. >> You don't know how strong they are. Like. >> imagine being so strong you could just. rip someone's skin clean off their head. >> and this is like a little thing little. 30 lb. >> It looks adorable. >> Yeah. And he thought he was being cute. It's like I'm going to be peaceful. >> I won't play it cuz I don't know if she. wants. >> Oh, yeah. No, I can't watch it. But. >> you want to watch it? >> No, I don't. Do you want You can watch. it. I'll look away. >> So, he lets this thing [snorts] on his. lap. >> and then it just decides to bite his. head. Look at it real quick. >> Gosh. >> Oh my gosh.

>> He's missing a giant chunk off his head. My god. >> Yeah. So he he's scarred for life. He's, you know, it was a dumb decision. You. let that thing dominate you. He didn't. understand what he was doing. >> No. >> He let that thing get on top of the. thing just decided for no reason. He. just bite his head. >> No. We used to have a pet emu. >> They're the dumbest birds by the way. >> They are so dumb. Their heads are tiny. So their brain must be And the rest of. them is big. So, you just had this emu.

like coming at you every day. >> Wow. >> It wasn't relaxing. I used to It got to. the point where I had to walk I had to. walk outside with a shovel. >> just to protect yourself from the evil. That's crazy. I have a friend who has. ostriches. Ostriches. >> Are they nicer? I wonder if they're. nice. >> He says the same thing. He hates them. [laughter] He He He has this big ranch. in Texas and he got ostriches. He's. like, "Dude, I hate these things." Like, look at that face. >> No, it's terrible. They're mean. And you. know, >> they tried to bite us on Fear Factor, too. We had an episode where they had to.

drink a whole ostrich egg. >> Ew. >> A raw ostrich egg. Ew. >> But the ost we had ostriches in the. background. They started just [ __ ]. with people like biting their heads. >> Yeah. But they'll peck you. >> Yeah. They'll peck you. >> You know what else is dumb? What's this. lady was a falconer? That that's what. they're called, right? When someone. falconer when they train. >> Yeah, that's Bobby. Bobby wrote the. book. >> Yes. >> Oh. Um, so this lady, she had a golden. eagle. She had a couple. The falcons are. the most fascinating. Um, but then she. had an owl and she's like, "Owl is.

they're first of all, one misconception. is that owls are smart." She goes, "They. are so dumb. They're the dumbest birds. next to emos. Only emos are dumb than. dumber than owls.". >> I didn't know that. >> I was like, really? That's why like why. do we have this, you know, >> idea that they're don't pollute. Remember? Yeah. >> Why do we think they're wise? I mean, he's counting how many licks it takes to. get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop. Remember? >> Yes. But he But he could never get to. it. So, maybe we should have learned. Yeah, this guy's full of [ __ ].

>> Yeah, he's full of [ __ ] He's a fake. professor. >> We've had some We've had some owls in. our day [laughter] with Bobby. >> Oh, pets. >> Yeah. I mean, yeah. >> Is this Bobby? No. No. This is someone. >> I saw this going around the internet. >> What is this? >> Is that a falcon? >> You can't see where it is. >> That looks like an eagle. >> He sees it from way up. >> Is that an eagle or a hawk? What is. that? Does it say? >> It doesn't say. I don't know if it said. specifically. Again, it's another. Facebook link. >> They had a golden eagle. The golden. eagle is amazing. But it kept trying to. land. We had a little campfire outside.

It tried kept trying to land on the. fire. >> That's weird. >> Why is this bird so stupid? >> That looks like a hawk. >> Yeah, it looks like a hawk. >> Yeah. >> So, this lady had she had hawks and. falcons and she's like, "The problem. with hawks is. >> as soon as like you let them loose, they. immediately find something to kill.". She's like, "They just everything that's. near them, they kill." She goes like, "This sucker kills birds. He kills. squirrels." Like, you let the owl go, the owl just like. >> goes over there. He'll come back to you. The eagle, the same thing.

>> Not the hawks. The hawks like, "It's. time to kill.". >> No, that's what they do. It's weird. >> Like I said, Bobby loves hawks and. falcons. And he will I went hawking with. him once. >> How do you do that? >> Um, well, you you have these They do it. in twos like these two birds. And. >> are they his birds? >> Yes. >> So he's trained these birds. >> He's trained them and the other a. >> that's kind of a crazy thing to be good.

at. >> It's a very crazy but look even since he. was young. But so it's it's pretty. fascinating because you have to do it. when after the leaves have fallen from. the trees and there are two birds that. hunt together and they go up into the. trees and then it's really beautiful at. first for me cuz it's. >> until the carnage. So they [laughter] start they start. going from tree to tree and they're. communicating with each other and. they'll see a you know bunny a cute.

sweet. >> you see where this is going and they see. a bunny down there and they go and they. go and one of them does something and. then the other one swoops down and grabs. it and they just. >> tear it apart and the next thing you. know it's just you know [snorts]. bunny guts. Yeah. >> So it's cute until then but it's pretty. fascinating to watch them do it. There. was some kind of a war in my backyard. that was going on for a while. And I. don't know what animal was doing it, but. I found a bunch of beheaded hawks.

>> Wow. >> Yeah. I don't know what bird was killing. the hawks, but they'll they'll kill the. hawk and and rip its head off. >> Well, ask Bobby. He will know. >> Oh, I bet. >> he will know. >> I assume it was something bigger. >> But yeah, they're big already. It's hard. to imagine what. >> an owl. Owls eat hawks. I'm really But. are they fast enough to get an owl as. fast? >> Yeah, owls uh are silent. And the the. thing about owls is there's a really. interesting video that you could find. where they take a bunch of different.

birds and they have them fly from point. A to point B and then they have a sound. uh meter and the sound registers. registers the decibb of their flight. >> like they may. >> owls. It's almost completely silent. >> They're so silent. They're so sneaky. So, there's a great black and white. video of this owl in it's uh it's night. vision, the the camera, and you see this. owl swooping up on a on a hawk's nest. and snatches a hawk right out of the. nest. >> Oh my god. I wonder. >> It comes out of nowhere. Like, you just.

see eyes in the distance. >> Yeah, it's really weird. I don't think. I've ever seen an owl in flight, but not. that I. >> in real life, you mean? Oh, I did when I. where I used to live. >> Is it only at night? Yes, I've only seen. him fly at night, but where I live, one. time I was driving home and there was. this owl that was right on the side of. the road. And as I was driving, he took. off with a rabbit in his in his talons. and then just decided he didn't want to. carry this rabbit anymore and let it go. Like maybe it was dangerous cuz the. rabbit was kind of big. And then the. rabbit dropped in the middle of the.

road. So I pulled the car over and I got. out and I looked at this like gutted. rabbit. >> and this owl who had just jacked this. rabbit and then. >> just decided. >> that's so weird that it he I'm assuming. it was an aggressive male owl. >> It might have been a female protecting. it or giving it young food. A lot of. them is that. >> I mean I wonder if the uh rabbit was. diseased or something. >> No, it was food. No, >> but how but that's. >> the rabbits can't even hear it coming. That's the thing about owls. That's why.

they're such brilliant nocturnal hunters. >> is because like see if you can find that. video of the an the birds the different. sounds between they like there's a hawk. there's a eagle and then the owl. >> it's like nothing. It just swoops in and. just snatches them. They eat a lot of. cats too by the way. >> Yeah. >> I didn't know that. >> Yeah. A friend of mine found um there. was an owl nest and he found like six. cat collars in the nest.

Oh, I I always just assumed it was. coyotes. >> It is a lot of coyotes, but it's also. owls. Owls kill a lot of people's cats. >> That is crazy. >> Yeah. And they can fly with your cat. That's what's crazy. So, watch. >> to fly over a series of super sensitive. microphones. >> So, that's a pigeon. Super loud. >> Oh, she's. a hawk. Pretty. loud.

>> Now watch the owl. >> It's Kenz's turn. >> Nothing. You don't hear anything. Isn't that. crazy? >> You don't even hear the wings? >> Nope. And those are super sensitive. microphones. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Now, see if you can find the video of. the owl snatching the hawk out of the. nest. That's so crazy. I didn't know. this. >> Yeah, owls are super predators. Yeah,

they they see so well at night and they. have those big heads. >> Yeah. Then their heads can turn crazy. eyes. Yeah. Watch this. So, see those. those dots in the distance? That's them. Watch this. >> Snatch. >> The other hawk barely knows what the. hell happened. >> Oh my snatch. >> God. >> Yep. Just steals them right out of the. nest. Owls are big, too. They seem to be. work alone. They seem a little Yes. like. lonesome. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, you can't fly a.

flock of owls, >> you know. >> But like the hawks when they hunt, they. hunt together, you know, when they're. communicating. >> They have to. They make so much noise. >> Yeah, that's true. >> They got a clumsy approach where the owl. sneaky. >> And how about the pigeons? They do not. have a chance. >> Not a chance. So loud. >> What do they eat? >> Um, that's a good question. That's a. good question. I know what eats pigeons. though. >> What? >> Rats in New York City. There's a crazy. video of a rat in New York City grabbing. a pigeon and attacking it and eating it. Yeah. And dragging it away. You've never.

seen that. [laughter]. >> I like that you think that's what I'm. looking at online. >> What are you looking at online? Passion. tips. >> It's [laughter] not that. >> You if you want to live in a big city, that's that's the nature that you get. You get rats and pigeons. >> There are a lot of rats in DC. >> Rats kill pigeons all the time. Rats. kill pigs. >> Yeah. If they catch them slipping, they're close enough where they can grab. them. Yeah. >> It's disgusting. >> Oh, rats are disgusting. >> Have you ever watched that documentary.

on Netflix called Rats? >> No. >> Whoa. >> Why would never? >> You should. >> No. God, no. >> It's a game changer. >> No. >> It's so It's so nutty when you find out. that the biomass. >> of rats in New York City is roughly. equal to the biomass of people. >> E. Meaning the weight of all the people. in New York City is roughly equal to the. weight of all the rats in New York City. >> That's gross. But you lived in New York. >> Is that accurate? >> I think that's accurate. >> It might be the numbers. Might be the. same number of people as there are rats.

But I also. >> You can have a problem when you live. there. >> I didn't live there. I lived in New. Relle, which was a suburb. >> That's a That's nice. >> Westchester. >> Kind of. >> I was a road comedian and I needed a. parking spot. I couldn't I couldn't. afford to park in New York City. It was. like it's too hard. >> Yeah. like it was like, you know, whatever it was for a parking spot was. like half my rent. I was like, I can't. afford that. >> Yeah. >> Also, I don't like it. I don't like. being stacked on top of people like. that. All my friends who live there, they're like, yeah, I don't even know my. neighbors. I'm like, there's a guy right.

across six feet away from you. You don't. even [ __ ] know him. That's kind of. crazy. >> No, they're always. >> banging around. >> Yeah. Moving furniture. >> Not interesting. >> Not your vibe. >> So, here it is for con the big picture. comparison. uh 8.3 million humans at 70. kg each are about 580,000 metric tonses. of human. So rats at roughly 0.102%. of human biomass in New York City even. though they're extremely visible. >> Oh, so it's only like less than a.

percent. >> Mhm. >> Wait a minute. >> Well, they're t they're tiny. I mean, compared to. >> So the number of rats is the number of. rats the same. Is that what I'm getting. wrong? an estimated about 3 million rats. in New York City, but there's like 10. million people. >> That's disgusting. Three million rats. >> I don't think they really know. >> This is I think they're probably. underestimating it because the. underneath the city is where all the. rats live. There's no way they're doing. an accurate count of all the rats.

>> I feel like LA. >> Oh, I know what I screwed up on. This is. what I screwed up on. It's actually ants. with the biomass of ants on Earth. >> I think that's true. I think the biomass. of ants on Earth is roughly equal to the. biomass of people. >> The things that are going on inside your. head are insane. >> That is a kooky number though. If it's. true, it is a cookie. >> We might find out that's wrong, too. >> I think it's right, though. Is that what. it is? >> Um, rats in New York City.

>> are aggressive and cute. >> Oh, okay. That's not true either. >> Yeah. >> Is that right? What What is that? Get. rid of that little source thing. >> I can't. It's. >> okay. It's not showing. It's unblocking. >> Oh, there it goes. Um, >> quadrillion. >> 20 crogillion. >> I never even seen that word. >> I either. >> 20 quadrillion individuals worldwide. That's the number of ants. Wow. >> I mean, >> so it's 20% of human dry biomass. What. does that mean? After you peed and more.

than all the wild birds and mammals. combined. That's crazy. There's more. weight from ants than all the mammals. and birds combined. >> That's crazy. >> That is [laughter]. crazy. >> But I. >> That is crazy. I have them in my. backyard and they're leaf cutter ants. No, they're cool. >> They're cute. They carry all those. little tiny. >> It's weird. It's like, how do you guys. know? How do you know to do this? >> And they work together. >> They work together. Yeah. Well, they.

have the ex Have you ever seen what the. leaf cutter ant colonies look like under. the surface? >> No. >> So, they take them and they. unfortunately they do a genocide on the. leaf cutter ants for science and they. fill up their entire colony with cement. >> and so they show what the structure. >> You mean when they were studying? >> Yes. Okay. >> Well, this is how they find out. You. have you have to kill everybody and turn. them into concrete. And so this enormous. leaf cutter ant colony that's. underground, then they dig it up and. only the cement is left and it's.

bananas. It's so. >> little tunnel like little. >> They have fermented fermentation tubes. So they have an area where they put. leaves in to ferment and then they have. a tunnel that goes up to the surface so. it can get air. >> That's crazy. >> So this is it. They fill up. This is the. ant the leaf cutter ant colony. Look at. the ones on the outside going the [ __ ]. That's a rock. My cousin's in there. >> They are freaking out. >> Yeah, they're freaking out. And so then. they have to excavate and they dig out. this area and it is absolutely.

massive. >> Oh, so these are That's the concrete. that. >> Exactly. So the concrete that's left is. what the colony actually looks like. underground. It's enormous. It's like. the size of a house. >> Like look at that. Look what they have. to do with these stupid [ __ ] ads that. you can't even get rid of that cover a. quarter of your screen. But look, pause. that real quick. >> Look at that. >> That is crazy. >> Bananas. Absolutely bananas. >> A tiny little ant. And all of his.

friends can make something like that. Like that. >> I like that they're all friends. I think. that there are some that are like, I. hate that [ __ ] So lazy. >> We're all working our asses off and he's. just over there like taking it easy. Well, there's some ants where um the. females will find the male and they cut. his legs off, his arms and legs off, and. then carry him to uh to the colony so. that he could breed. >> Find that. Which what ant? Which ant is.

that? Yeah. They find him and they cut. his arms and legs off so he can't go. anywhere. >> and he just does one thing away. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Like we need. >> You think he thinks it's an honor? I. don't think he thinks, >> right? How can he? >> I [laughter] don't know. >> I think they're like they're almost like. little robots, little biological robots. >> It seems like they are working together. and coming up with plans and you know, >> landscapes and. >> they But the thing is it's this is a. universal thing. This is what's really. weird. Like here we are in Texas, but.

there's probably leaf cutter ants right. now in Florida. There's probably leaf. cutter ants right now all over the. world. And they're all doing a similar. thing underground. But leaf cutter, so. they're completely different than say. red ants. >> Yeah. I mean, there's a bunch of. different kind of ants, but the thing. that differentiates leaf cutter ants is. that they go to trees, they chop off. their leaves, they take these little. pieces of it, and then they carry it. back into their leaf cutter ant colony. And then they have all these places. where they store the leaves, and the the.

leaves ferment, and they kind of rot, and then they have air pipes that go up. to the surface. It's super super. complex. Wow. >> And it and it just makes you think like. what how do they know to make this. chamber and then a passageway to the. chamber and how do they all know all. over the world? >> It's very weird. It's a very weird thing. that they do. But I have them in my yard. and I just sit there and watch them. >> I can only find stuff about them. amputating uh the limbs for uh like. saving their lives, not breeding.

>> Now is it it was a specific kind of. >> No, I typed it in four different times. That's all I could get was that. >> fe queen ants will amputate their wings. afterwards, but I didn't see anything. about cutting off a male's limbs and. dragging them from breeding. It says. they all do it to address wounds. >> I wish I can remember what it was. It. was a specific kind of ant. >> I'm going to get on that. >> Ruthless world of insects. We're lucky. they're little, >> you know, >> cuz they're smart. Well, you don't think.

they think. >> you think they've got some sort of um. activity. >> I think they have activity, but I think. they're operating on a program. >> They don't have feelings. >> I don't think they have any feelings. No, I definitely don't think they have. feelings. Is they I mean, if like a praying mantis. was the size of a German Shepherd, we'd. have a real problem. >> cuz they're they would kill you. >> Vicious. >> 100%. You wouldn't be able to get away. from them. Do you think they have. feelings?

>> I don't think so. I think they're. they're the scariest life form to me. >> Why? >> Because they're so strong for their. size. They're they're way way way like. you can't even like I've seen praying. mantis snatch hummingbirds off of a bird. feeder and kill them. >> and the hummingbird. Serious. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They wait on a bird. feeder. They sit there like this and. they just wait and they don't move. >> They don't move. And the hummingbird. doesn't recognize them. The hummingbird. comes over, eats out of the bird feeder, and just snatches them. And the bird's. way bigger than the the mantis. And the.

mantis can hold on to the hummingbird. >> Where did they take it? Take it. Kill it. and eat it right there. >> Really? >> Sure. [laughter]. >> But aren't they small? A little. >> Exactly. That's why we're lucky that. they're really small because if they. were the size of like a dog, they would. 100% be able to kill you. Just like that. monkey is like super strong. Well, if a. mantis was the size of that monkey, the. monkey would have no chance. that m. mantis would just snatch it and just. start eating it. >> That's a good point because that guy. because a monkey must look at a man.

Yeah. And think that guy is bigger than. me, but I don't care. I'm going for it. >> Yeah. Well, I don't think they have any. respect for people. I think their. interactions with people are that people. are soft and that they're scared of. them. And so they that's how they. >> But what what's the monkey going to do. with the scout? You know what I mean? See, look at that mantis. See him. sitting there? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> The hummingbird doesn't know what's. going on. He's just motionless. And so as the hummingbird gets close, tries to get a little water.

>> Oh no. >> And watch how it snatches it to. It's so. fast. >> Watch it right there. Bang. >> Gotcha. >> A. >> look at the size of the bird. I mean, the the body mass of the bird has got to. be a lot more than the mantis. And the. mantis is just holding on to it. definitively. Like it has no chance. Oh, the guy knocked it loose. What a [ __ ]. >> That is. >> Let nature happen, bro. >> So crazy. >> Really crazy. It just gets it. So. there's other ones where you see the.

mantis like hanging on and eating it. >> They're They're are incredible little. creatures. >> Is that what they mostly eat? It's. hummingbirds. >> No, they eat all kinds of stuff. But. this one is just sitting there eating a. hummingbird. >> E. >> The other weird thing is the amount that. they can eat. >> Yeah, that's why it looks like a a tiny. twig. >> Exactly. Oh, how can I eat a. hummingbird? >> There's a video uh well, there's one uh. Instagram page that I follow that's just. mantises eating a bunch of different. bugs. >> Really? That's [laughter].

>> that's what you follow. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I follow a lot. >> Is it relaxing or it's just fascinating? It's just like gets your mind off of. politics. >> Just weird weird to watch this creature. and it eats a roach that's like bigger. than it and it eats the whole thing all. like like this. This guy just gets this. roach. Look at the size of that roach. He's just going to chew through that. entire roach. >> And that stucker is still alive for the. beginning. He just eats his head and. then he stops being alive and then he. just goes right through him. Like look. at this. This is nuts.

>> And then do you think it doesn't eat. again for a long time like a snake? >> Probably probably doesn't have to eat. >> E look at the I know eat its legs and it. keeps going and it eats the entire. thing. Like there's nothing left of that. roach. >> And that roach is as big as him. Like. where'd it go? Oh, >> how are you doing that? >> I don't [laughter] know. >> You ever see a fat. >> praying mantis? No, they don't exist. >> I hardly see them or Oh, but I haven't. been looking. >> Look, there's the page. >> Yeah, you have a highlights reel on. there. I think [laughter].

>> you have a highlights reel. show. >> That's hilarious. It's called Cryptic. Mantids. >> It's just all them eating. >> Is that what the name of it is? What is. it? Cryptic. Yeah, cryptic with a K. Um, mantis. Mantis. >> And their eyeballs are crazy. Yeah, there it's a weird animal. I mean, if. that insect was big, it would be a real. problem. So, look, he's like dangling. that roach in front of it and just. snatches it. >> I mean, that's like you eating a poodle. >> It's crazy. It just eats the whole thing.

in one sitting. >> The whole poodle. >> The nose, the head, eyeballs, the tail, everything. It just eats everything. >> Ew. >> Yeah. But they that exists in nature. I. mean, we're playing a totally different. game. You know, our game is uh we're. soft and. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Look at that thing. >> Yeah. >> A Peruvian dragon mantis. >> Yeah. Imagine that was like big. Imagine. that thing was like the size of a. giraffe. Be a giant problem. Just runs. into a city and eats everybody.

>> Sounds like a movie. >> Does. >> That's how actresses think. [laughter]. >> That sounds like a great movie. [sighs and gasps] I could be the. scientist. >> [laughter]. >> The man just gets stuck in a tube with a. guy's head. >> Yeah, >> something like that. >> Dum dum. Like the fly. Remember that. Jeff Goldlum movie? That movie was. great. >> Of course. >> And that was a remake of an earlier one. There was an earlier The Fly movie, which was a lot weirder. Um,

>> really? >> Well, it was weird for the time cuz the. guy had like a weird costume on like a. fly head on, but like a person's body. But the fly was cool because you see. Jeff Goldblum like that's the original. fly. >> Oh, >> say like a one human hand, one fly hand. But the Goldblum one was great. >> No, I love Gold. >> So this guy just had like a mask on. He's like a regular dude with a mask. >> I'm the fly, you know. >> But I got a hand. So you. >> But the Gold Bloom was cool because he. you see like him start to slowly turn.

mad. >> Yes. and his mannerisms and he was so. great. >> Weird spikes start poking out of his. skin and he's like, "What is this?". >> Yeah. He didn't realize that a fly had. gotten in there with him and they. matched DNA. >> Jeff Goldblum's great. >> Oh, he's great. He's Yeah, >> he's very He's very very intense and at. the same time very. likable and. >> Yeah. fun, Jolly. >> Tell me about you. >> Yeah. >> Tell me what makes Cheryl work.

[laughter] think. >> well him in Jurassic Park like really. helped make that movie like the rational. scientist. >> that was like okay what have you done. [laughter]. you know. >> cuz you could do it you never decided. whether you should do it. >> was like you know. >> yeah he's always thinking and. >> yeah when. >> not judging not freaking out. >> well definitely sort of judging but it. was just that like yeah there should be. a [ __ ] scientist that says says,

"What are you doing?". >> Yeah. >> Like, "What are you doing? >> Are you sure you should be doing this?". >> Yeah. These don't belong here. These. these are from a time where we weren't. around. >> You shouldn't bring them here. We can't. compete with them. If it wasn't for that. big rock that hit the Yucatan, we. probably would have never become people. because they would have been around. >> I never saw Jurassic Park. >> What? >> What? How? How'd you avoid that movie? It's one of the greatest movies of all. time. >> You know, it didn't sound good to me. [laughter]. >> Like dinosaurs. It's so good. It's such a good movie.

It's such a good movie, too, because. it's uh it was like one of the first. movies that used CGI, but they did it. really well. >> Yeah. >> And the thing about CGI with dinosaurs. is it's so different than CGI with like. Do you remember I Am Legend? >> The Will Smith movie. Never saw that. one. >> No. Is it science fiction? >> Yes. >> I don't watch science fiction. >> It's a zombie movie essentially. like a. disease sweeps over the But in that.

[clears throat] movie there's um a. there's CGI uh lions in New York City. and they look so vague. They look bad. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Because you know. >> what was that? That was like 200. [snorts]. 10. >> Was it even? >> I feel like it was earlier than that. When was I am Legend? >> Seven. >> 2007. >> Okay, but go ahead. You were going to. say why. >> Because you know what a lion looks like. >> You don't really know what a dinosaur. looks like. Yeah. >> So your brain doesn't register that, oh. that looks fake. >> Right. Right.

>> Yeah. So when you see the T-Rex when he. comes over the fence and also the way. they shot it, like Spielberg is a. genius. The way they shot it at night. where and it's kind of like, you know, in the jungle, so it's like partially. obscured. You ever seen the scene where. the T-Rex emerges for the first time. when the kids are in the car? >> Oh, you need to see this. >> I have so many things to look up to. [laughter] I have so many rabbit holes. to go down. >> How have you not seen this movie? I. don't know. Is it. >> the original Jurassic Park is one of my. favorite movies ever.

>> Okay. I have to watch it. >> I loved it because it for me it it's a. real potential possibility. I'm friends. with the guys over at Colossal. Those. are the guys that brought back the. direwolf. Like they have actual. direwolves. Now, >> what is a direwolf? >> A direwolf is an extinct breed of wolf. And I know there's geneticists out there. that are freaking OUT. THAT'S NOT A. DIREWOLF. IT'S NOT. WHAT THEY'VE DONE is. just taken the characteristics of a dire. wolf and recreated it. >> Are they are they small? Are they like. the size? >> They're very big. They're bigger than a.

regular wolf. And they're weird looking. Like they have a a mane and you know. they're all white. Like they're really. cool looking. Yeah. >> And they walk on our all fours. Question. of course. Well, now I'm thinking about. your um wolf werewolf in London. >> Oh, he walks on all fours, too. Does he? He's from American Werewolf in London. >> But he can. >> No, not that's a direwolf. So that's the. colossal guys. Yeah, they're they're. really interesting. It's really. interesting because you see them. >> Wow. It's really pretty. >> And um when I saw them, they were in it. was in the summertime and they uh.

apparently they're they were about 6. months old and they're going to get a. lot larger. >> Oh, wait. So they came back from. extinction. >> Yeah, they they brought them back from. extinction through genetic engineering. [gasps]. >> They have direwolf DNA. They have. direwolf DNA. They mixed it with. greywolf DNA. I don't know how they did. it. They they could tell me. I'll I'll. forget five minutes later. But whatever. it is, that's a different thing that. ever existed before since the direwolves. went extinct. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So my fear is that these [ __ ].

not these guys, but that someone, some. scientific [ __ ] will make a Jurassic. Park will say, "Hey, you know, we found. an island that we can buy that's uh, you. know, 50,000 square acres or whatever it. is, and we're going to take and put a. few dinosaurs on this island and make it. so the people can go visit it." Like, that's that's possible. People could do that. Well, it's it. sounds possible, but it doesn't sound. worse than.

like AI things that could be done on. your computer and to our brains. Like. like. >> you're more afraid of AI than you are of. dinosaurs. That's rational because AI is. more likely. >> Yeah. Because if somebody said, "Hey, you could go visit this island that has. dinosaurs." At least I'd have a choice. And I'd be like, "Uh, no thanks." But like I will sometime if. you're just talking about a poncho. >> A poncho.

>> Yeah. >> Like a. >> like you like a poncho that you know. like little blanket that has a hole in. it. >> Got it. >> It's a word that doesn't come up much. but when it came up just talking to my. friend about a poncho and then all of a. sudden on my phone they're like. >> ads for ponchos. >> Yeah. So it's that to me. >> I wonder if I'm going to get some now. Poncho ads. >> You're going to get some poncho ads. I've never had a poncho ad. If I get one. right now, I'll know. >> Oh, yeah. I know you that you are. We're. all dialed in somehow. >> Well, that's for sure.

>> So, I would rather have I would rather. have I would rather be running away from. a I would rather die. from being squashed by a dinosaur than. just go crazy from. thoughts of things that have been put. into my head from AI. Makes sense. >> Sort of. I don't want to die either way, right? >> I don't want to die. >> Well, if you had if you had to choose. >> I don't want to die by dinosaur. Um,

>> if you had to choose one or the other, >> I really don't think either one is. preferable. I think the dinosaur is more. unlikely. The AI one is seems very. possible. Mhm. >> There's not. there's there's not a real good road map. that I've seen where um AI is not. completely disruptive in every aspect of. our life. And the only people that do. provide that road map seem to be. profiting off of AI. >> Yeah. >> You know, some people think it's going.

to increase productivity like Elon. thinks it's going to increase. productivity to the point where we'll. have no one will have to work anymore. and [clears throat] you'll have what. they call universal high income. That's. what he's calling it. >> Mhm. But then you have this real problem. of what do people do with their time, >> right? >> Like how do so many people really. identify with whatever they do as a job, you know, >> right? And and it gives you a sense of. purpose, right? Most people need a sense. of purpose to be have a to feel happy. >> They also like providing for themselves.

Like people like the fact that you work. all week, you come home, you get your. paycheck, and you know, now you can go. to the restaurant, you go and it's all. your money. Yeah, you bought it. You you. worked hard and now you know you bought. a whatever you bought. Like you paid for. it. A poncho. You paid for it with your. labor poncho in the world. >> People like being good at something, right? If you're the guy that, you know, if you there's something going on, you. need something fixed and you go to. Henry. Like Henry loves the fact that. Cheryl calls him up because she knows. that he knows how to fix things. And.

>> what do we what what do we do with Henry. when Henry loses his like we say we your. job's useless. You're basically like a. guy who owns Blockbuster Video. >> Well, is that is that like um very very. wealthy people that are born into money. that don't have to work that don't have. to. >> That's even worse, right? Because that's. like very wealthy people that are born. into money have never had to prove. themselves. They've always been more. special than everybody else. If. everybody has universal high income, that won't be a unique thing.

>> It'll be basic. So optimistically I. would say the op the optimistic take on. it is if that was the case what the real. positive aspect is you wouldn't have to. work for your basic needs and what you. could decide to do instead is pursue. something that you're really interested. in like maybe. >> become an expert in something. >> Yeah. Or. study a bunch of different languages all. day. >> Will people. >> some people will. >> Yeah. >> But I think that's always the case.

>> That's true. Some people would take. advantage of a situation and like some. people during co they said okay. >> some people just became alcoholics and. they lost everything some people said. I'm going to start a side business I'm. going to start an online business. because an online business they can't. shut down during a pandemic and and a. lot of people be become very profitable. because of that like. >> it's like. >> why do we need to just work all day if. you're a laborer is that really the only. use of your time like if you're doing it.

for food, I get it. You're doing it for. housing, I get it. It's a good job. It's. a solid, honest way to make a living. But if you don't have to do that. anymore, and then you just get money. from the government and from whatever. income AI is generating, wouldn't you. rather play soccer or go do this or. >> whatever your thing is, painting, whatever your thing is, right? You know, you you could find Yeah. anything you. could find a thing that gives you. meaning other than just your work,

>> right? Cuz if you're working in a. factory and you're just, you know, putting the dial on the box, >> that's not fulfilling. And you're not. going anywhere, you're not doing. anything. >> That stuff has only been around for a. while, like a small amount of time. Like. being a worker in a factory or an. office, how long has that even been. around? The idea that we can't exist. without that being around is crazy. Yeah. >> Because for thousands and thousands of. years, there was no money. people just. like hunted and fished and traded things. and and started raising animals. There's. no money. You you basically just tried.

to stay alive by gathering food. >> So, do you think that. if nobody had to work that. we could do without money altogether? That that money could disappear and then. >> that's a scary thing because someone's. going to have it. There's going to. there's going to be resources. >> But then if there's no value to it, >> Yeah. but there's always going to be. value like this. This is the scariest. thing. >> from country to country or worldwide. >> Everything the control of resources. Resources are always going to be. valuable. It's always going to be. valuable to have oil. If you have oil,

you can do so many things. You could. make gasoline. You could power things. You make plastics. Everything comes out. of oil. Everything is petroleum based. Even your medicine is petroleum based. >> Yeah. But if nobody was paying you to. make it, >> so everything's free. That's the idea. How would that How's that possible? because then no one would want to make a. Ferrari because the only reason why you. would make a Ferrari is because it's. hard to get so it costs a lot of money. and. >> well if AI is taking over and taking all. of those jobs and and you're you know.

and the idea is that nobody's going to. have to work. >> So if nobody has to work then the cars. are still being made right. >> uh. >> maybe. >> oh. >> maybe they decide how many cars get made. and how many people can have a car. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Does everybody need a car? >> Like Oxford, England, just established. like this new um they're they're doing. this thing called like 15-minute cities. where you have like an area where you're. allowed to travel to and if you decide.

to travel outside of that area, you get. a certain amount of them per year. And. uh. >> you get a certain amount of what? >> Travel passes to leave your area. >> It was a congestion zone. >> Okay. Whatever it is, >> the same. I'm just That's what it was. You call it whatever you want, but. whatever it is, it's the government. telling you you can't leave an area. And. if you leave that area, it costs you. money. >> So, it cost you the equivalent of like a. $100 a day to leave this area. >> Wow. >> If you get over a certain number of. them, >> that's what they It's similar to what.

they did in New York City. However, they. stopped it in New York, remember? >> Yeah. Well, it's crazy. That's why they. stopped it because this is the beginning. of a terrible trend. So, what this is is. the beginning of them telling you where. you can go and how often you can go and. this is the government doing it and the. temporary congestion charge. [ __ ]. They've been they've been proposing. stuff like this, it's [ __ ] They've. [laughter] been proposing stuff. >> They want to do it. >> They want to control people. They want. to be able to tell you where you can and. can't go. The more they can put. restrictions on you, the more they can.

pass laws that they can profit from, the. more they can benefit from whatever. control they have over you, the more. they can tighten down on it. And. England's a great place to do this. because they've already gotten things. passed through in England. Like England. doesn't have jury trials anymore except. for like murder and and rape and a few. other things. >> It's a judge. So one person all the. people that are getting arrested for. social media abuses. >> It's just one person deciding. >> No, it's different judges. It's wherever. you get brought up, wherever you get. arrested for. They arrested 12. One.

judge. Yes. >> Just deciding exactly their fate whether. they like it or not. Without a doubt, they're going to go with whatever the. government wants. And they've arrested. 12,000 people over the last year for. social media posts just in England. It's. >> I know that's intense. >> So that's the place where they're Oh, it's a congestion zone. [ __ ] off. >> Israel last week. Uh. >> what we don't know cuz we're not there. People will get bust into that area. already because it's already congested. as [ __ ]. >> I don't care. I don't care what's going. on. That's Well, that's Bangladesh.

Okay. That's New York City. That's a lot. of places. That's LA. >> Yeah. You don't you don't get to control. whether or not people can leave an area. >> I understand. >> Period. >> Just. >> it doesn't matter what you call it. >> But this was because they closed they. closed the road temporarily and so they. had to put up some. >> It's a terrible precedent. It's like. what they did with CO they shut down. this two weeks to stop the spread and. what happened? It lasted a year and a. half in LA. Like it's not you don't give. them that kind of control. You can't. have ever [clears throat] the control to. tell people whether they can or can't.

leave an area. [ __ ] off. That's crazy. their houses. I for a while like you. weren't even. >> you weren't even they allowed to go. outside. They said don't go outside. >> [ __ ] mayor who was saying usually. snitches get stitches but now they get. rewards. Do you remember that? In LA. they were telling you to turn your. neighbors in. >> Oh, I don't remember it in LA, but I. remember it in other states. >> In LA, the mayor of LA, what was that. Cook's name? >> It was the mayor of LA. He was uh he. thought he was on the right side of.

everything until Black Lives Matter. started protesting outside his house. every day for like a month. >> Garcetti. >> Garcetti. >> Oh, Garcetti. >> That creep. That guy he he p find that. thing that snitches uh usually get. stitches, but now they get rewards. Like. literally said that. >> That is so crazy. >> Snitches snitching on your neighbor for. having too many people over. >> That is so crazy. >> People were exactly 5 feet apart from. each other. continues to let us know. where those folks are.

>> If you've observed recurring violations. of the safer at home order, please. continue to let us know at. coronavirus.lacity.org/business. violation. You know the old expression. about snitches. Well, in this case, snitches get rewards. We want to thank. you for turning folks in and making sure. we are all safe. It would be cool if. that lady who was doing sign language is. just faking it because sometimes. [laughter] sometimes nobody knows. >> he's still going after he's still. talking. He's done talking and she's. just like, "Hey, over here.".

>> Well, nobody, you know, very few people. know American's sign language, so she. could have been faking it. Like a bunch. of people have been faking it before and. they got caught. >> No. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. There was a guy next to. Obama when Obama was giving a speech. once and this guy was completely making. it up. He was con man. on. >> tricked himself into being 3 feet from. Obama. >> No security screening. They just. >> because nobody knows how to validate. I. don't believe it was in America. I think. it was somewhere else. >> Oh my god. I took um.

>> So they let this guy on stage and you. can tell he's just making things up. >> He's like doing this. >> Oh my god. >> He's like fake sign. You never seen. this? >> No. >> Find the guy fake sign language with. Obama. >> How did they did he get did he get. busted during the the. >> sign language people? This guy right. here. So this guy on the right or Yeah, that guy. He's completely making [ __ ]. up. So wait for Obama to get So this is. the Mandela memorial. >> When does Obama come out?

>> There's one with Obama next to the guy. >> Yeah. >> So that was what it was. So that's the. guy. See, he's like right next to him. >> Oh my god. >> The guy was like completely faking sign. language. He was just a cook. He was. like, I can do it. Yeah. Yeah, I'm good. at it. Let me up there. That is crazy. >> People are nuts. >> People are nuts. >> You should know that as much as anybody. >> Listen, I've I've learned it over and. over again. And they're even nuttier at.

a level that I didn't know. >> What was the big turning point for you? Was it just being attached to Bobby and. watching all that or. >> uh It was It was Bobby running for. president. It was it's so crazy. I mean, I really got a crash course in um. elections and um it is the craziest [ __ ]. goes on and everybody is.

that's all they think about, you know, the people that are involved. They get. up in the morning, how can I [ __ ] this. guy over? I'm gonna say and and they. have these people that their only job is. to start a rumor is to say something, put something in the press that doesn't. matter if it's true or not. If if. somebody else picks it up, it they. celebrate for the whole day. And it's. like that story, whatever it was, the.

thing that they said gets picked up. That is like a day of celebration. It's. a celebration from the other camps. And then it's like your camp is now. trying to figure out what to do about. that e or. what kind of damage it's going to do and. is it worth even fighting or is it. better to just let it wither on the. vine. It's just all day every day people. are.

trying to find the craziest craziest. Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's about. certainly if it's about politics or not. It's more exciting if it's something. personal. Oh, he's wearing lifts in his. boots. Oh, she's And it's just. >> But that is an important thing if. someone's wearing lifts in their boots. Like, hey, we've. >> How are you gonna govern this country? >> How did you get so tall [laughter] out. of nowhere?

>> It is absurd. It's weird. It's absurd. It's a behavior. Well, who gives a [ __ ] Women wear. heels, >> right? But if a man does it and he's. lying about it, I think that as a short. >> Did anybody ask? Did he. >> I think they did. I think they asked. You're talking about homeboy from. Florida. Yeah, I think they asked and he. denied it, but it was pretty clear. There was like one podcast or one um. talk show, one of those late night shows. where he walked out and I was like, "Why? You're walking like a horse. Like. you're clearly on your tippy toes. This.

is crazy. You've added like five inches. to your height. this is bananas and it's. all inside your boots. >> And then that's what everybody's talking. about. >> But don't do that. Don't do that. No. one's going to talk you. That's like a. self-inflicted wound. >> But then it's like, "Oh, well, he's too. short to govern the country.". >> That's crazy. If people think that, that's they're that's on them. >> Oh, people are crazy. >> Yeah. But they're not going to think. you're taller than you really are. Like. they've seen you for [ __ ] decades. He's been in the public eye forever and. then all a sudden he gains four inches. Everybody's like, "What's going on?". Like people know you can't they're.

they're scrutinizing everything, you. know? You can't you can't pull the wool. over their eyes that hard. >> Yeah. >> But it also it shows like this weird. thing where you're so worried about what. people think about you that you're. willing to wear lifts in your shoes. It's And again, I say this as a short. man, you know? It's like it's important. like you. >> just be authentic because you're not. being authentic. >> That's who you are. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> you're not going to change people's. opinion of you if you wear a [ __ ]. stilt. >> But what does it matter? Like if like if.

a guy had a toupe and he was running for. president, would you be like, "Nah, no.". >> Cuz he cuz it might make him feel better. to. >> [ __ ] your feelings. [laughter] Take that. [ __ ] wig off. [snorts]. >> You should run a campaign. >> Especially if you wear wearing a wig and. all a sudden you put it on and you. expect me to ignore it. That's crazy. That's crazy. If you were like bald. forever and then all a sudden you wear. >> and then the day that you start wearing.

it. >> Yeah. >> There must be a day in somebody's life. when it's like I'm just going to go for. it and hope nobody. >> Well, there's a bunch of like really. smart people who have them on, which is. really weird. It's like how can you be. so smart and you don't know that that. thing on your head is ridiculous. Like. you were bald and now you're not and I'm. supposed to just go, "Hey, congratulations on growing all your hair. back. This is [ __ ] nuts. >> But do you So you find it so. distracting? >> No, I just find it a character flaw. >> Ah, I see. I see.

>> Right. >> Okay. >> It's like. >> it's like. >> you you're you're a 60-year-old man and. you're concerned with looking. attractive. Like at this stage of your. life, like come on. This is. >> Let it go. This is a crazy whatever was. going to happen, it should have already. happened. And at this point, >> this is a crazy thing to concentrate on, especially if you want to be taken. seriously. like you should that's. >> but so what about a guy in his that's 25. that's wearing it okay. >> it's that look it's like male hair loss. is devastating people talking yeah as a. bald guy yeah I I got hair transplants I.

did the whole thing um I tried minoxidol. and all the other different things it's. like it's you don't have any control. over it and apparently now like. >> supposedly UCLA has a new remedy that. just grows your hair back and it's in. tests right now and they're going to be. able to put it on your it's probably. going to make a trillion Is it that they. is it like a helmet that you. >> No, no, no. It's like some kind of. medication that you topically apply and. it grows hair grows hair on mice and. apparently it's going to work. They'll I. mean it's kind of amazing that they.

haven't cracked that code yet. >> Um but one day they will. And if the. UCLA thing then the wig business goes. out of business, >> then would you take it? >> No. Even if I did, I would shave my. head. >> Why? >> 100%. I love it. I love having to shave. head. I love not having to talk to a. barber. I don't give a [ __ ] what I look. like. >> [snorts]. >> You would rather shave your head than. have a meaningless conversation for 10. minutes. [laughter]. >> 100%. >> Do you shave it every day? Like every. day? >> No, I shave it every couple I shaved it. this morning, but I shaved it every. couple days. But um if I.

>> You wouldn't. So it So if I said if you. take this tomorrow, you'll have a full. head of hair. You'd be like, "Nothing.". >> Maybe I would take it and then just buzz. that down and have it really short. But. I would have it so there show everybody. Look, I got my hair back if I wanted to. I got. >> I could do it if I wanted to. I don't do. it. I don't know, but I could. >> But uh I used to love when I had a full. head of hair. I used to have love having. a crew cut. It was my favorite thing. >> Wow. Interesting. >> Yeah. I just love like I love the. feeling of it. Like when you rub it and. you get all the stubble up there. I like.

that. >> I just don't want to I don't want to. think about it. Texture. I don't have to think about it. >> But when I was in television, I thought. about it. I was like, I can't lose my. hair. That's why I got a hair. transplant. I was like, I don't want to. I'm starting to make money. >> But that didn't work. Or you didn't like. it? It works for a little while, but the. way I describe it, I was like, you take. it's like you take people from an a. neighborhood where everybody's really. healthy and you move them to a. neighborhood where everyone's dying. So, all your neighbors die. So, all the. other hair that was supposed to fall out.

that falls out and the only stuff that's. left is the stuff you put there and it. looks kind of ratty and sparse. >> What do you take it from the the back? >> Yeah. They take it from the back of your. head to the top. Yeah. A lot of guys go. to Turkey now, they do it, and they get. their whole head redone. But sometimes. you get a a weird hairline where it's. like a little too low and crazy. It's a. little too flat and weird. You're like, "What's going on with your hair?". >> That's hard. >> Yeah. Well, >> because how do you know? Cuz you're. under You're under. >> Well, you you probably think it's a good. idea and the doctor thinks it's a good. idea and he convinces you. You're like,

"It's going to look good." He's like, "It's going to look amazing." And next. thing you look like a wolf, man. >> Are you out completely when you have. that? >> No. You're the doctor's talking to you. and it's like, "I'm going to put one. here. Here's. >> They don't even talk to you." You could. like watch a movie or something like. that. You just sit there and chill. There's videos of guys doing it online. They, you know, little hairs out and. stick them in the little holes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I wonder why more women don't do it. >> Women do it when women start losing. their hair. Yeah. Quite a few of their. patients are women. They cuz like maybe.

they have alopecia some Yeah. They. >> they can't grow it back so they. transplant it. They do it. >> Okay. >> And you're okay with that? >> Yeah. I'm okay with women wearing wigs, too. >> You just don't like men wearing wigs? >> Nope. I don't like it. I don't like wear. men wearing. >> So interesting. >> I don't like men wearing lipstick. either. >> Oh, >> unless you're a singer or someone. freaky, some non-binary person, [snorts]. >> but you don't want like the guy at the. grocery store checking you out. >> Well, I don't care. >> It's okay. >> You might be a weirdo. You know, you're. allowed to be a weirdo. I don't mind. being a weirdo. But if you want me, you. want to be like a if we're all hanging.

out and we're going to go go out to. dinner and you show up wearing lipstick. and eyehadow, like, "Hey, Bob, >> [ __ ] going on with your face?" Like, if you don't think I'm going to make fun. of that, you're crazy. >> Yeah. Okay. So, you just make fun of him. all night, but you're not so mad that. you're not going to go out with him. >> Wow. I mean, it's just it's a nutty. choice, but it's like I wouldn't want. you being the treasurer of the United. States, [ __ ] lipstick on, you know? [laughter]. >> It's like, you remember that guy that. was working in the Biden administration. that was a man with lipstick and a. shaved head and he was stealing all the.

women's clothes? He was stealing women's. clothes from the airport. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't That's what. I'm talking about. I mean, listen, that's a crazy person. >> There were. few. There was a few. They were hiring. them just because they were weird. They. were like, "This is this is going to. make us look woke. [laughter] We're. going to hire all the right people. It's. going to be very inclusive." Well, okay, great. You're hiring mentally ill. people. You're hiring a man who likes to. steal women's clothes from the airport. Yeah. And you're putting him in charge. of nuclear energy. [laughter]. >> I mean, that is Okay. So, this goes.

[clears throat] back to politics, right? Yeah. So, it's like, so you watch that. and then the next election it's a new. group of people and they're weird, >> right? >> So, it's not like just one side is. >> Oh, no, no, no, no. I don't think I. think that's a big trap to think that. it's only the Republicans or only the. Democrats that are weird. No, everybody. who wants to do that, the vast majority. of them are unhinged because that is not. a normal job. >> And they're not good at it. That's the.

other thing. They're not good at. talking. They're not good at public. speaking. They're even the best ones are. like that's why when a guy like Obama or. a guy like Clinton comes along like holy. [ __ ] they're because they're so or Trump. is so good at like talking to large. groups of people and being themselves. So when someone's not good at that it's. like glaringly obvious because. >> the mo most people who are good at that. kind of stuff, they don't want that job, >> right? >> That job's horrible, >> right?

>> Yeah. That job is crazy. >> Yeah, job's nuts. >> But then do you have to be good at. talking? >> You do. You do because it's part of the. campaign trail. You have to That's the. other thing, too. It's like [snorts]. >> running for something. >> Being part of a campaign is so different. than actually doing it. >> Yeah. >> Than being They're completely It's like. auditioning. It's so much like. auditioning, >> but it's completely different. It's a. completely different um job. different.

skill set. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like Yeah. >> At least auditioning, you actually. acting in the room. >> Yeah. >> You know, when you're running for. president, you're not running for. president in front of everybody. This is. how I'm going to do it. You're going to. pretend to be my chief of staff and. you're going to be the secretary of. defense and I'm going to put on a play. So, I'm going to show you how I would. handle it if I ran across the line. >> I would rather that. Yeah. I would like. to see a campaign like that where it's. just a little mini play. >> Little mini play. >> Yeah. Yeah, situation. Yes.

>> A little Cuban missile crisis right in. front of everybody's eyes. >> And just to see how everyone would. handle it. >> Yeah. That's Well, that's why when. people pretend to be a president in a. film, people go, "You know what? He. would be a great president." Like people. do that all the time. >> That's true. >> That's how Zalinsky became a president. of Ukraine. >> because he was a good actor. >> He was an actor as a president in a in a. TV show. >> and that's why everybody liked him. >> Did you know that? I knew that he was an. actor, but I didn't know he was an I. didn't know he was playing the.

president. >> He was playing the president. He was a. comedian and he was playing the. president in a television show and. people loved it and they're like, "He. should be the real president." Like. that's how goofy people are. >> Well, yeah. That could definitely happen. in this country, don't you think? >> 100%. >> Well, all the people that have played. the president, people be like, "Yeah, that that. >> 100%. >> guy could definitely do it.". >> Like Martin Sheen. >> Martin Sheen. People with a Yeah. He. could probably be the president right. now if he wanted to. >> Yeah. >> I mean, if someone like that, like a. top-notch actor really wanted to.

campaign, everybody would be [ __ ]. except for except for they just tear him. apart and attack him and make up a bunch. of stuff about him and his family and. blah blah. >> And actors are. they have thinner skin than politicians. >> Some of them do. Yeah. Yeah. Most of. them. >> Most of them. Cuz it's it's because as. an actor, you're putting yourself out. there all the time and you feel. insecure. People are if one person. doesn't like you or says that you're. horrible, that is like, "Oh my god.". >> But politicians are like, "What else you.

got?" That's it. >> Well, they're just used to being full of. [ __ ] They live in it. [laughter]. >> Well, >> they're comfortable in it. >> I think that there are some politicians. that are true that are authentic and. truly working. to make the country better. Absolutely. That is one thing that I've seen. I. think there are people on death row that. are innocent. [laughter]. >> They're just so few and far between. >> I just don't think it's most I I think.

uh the the reality. >> What do you think? Why do you think most. Why would most people do it that aren't. interested in truly, you know, making. the country better or or bettering. the government? Well, it all depends. upon. what is what's your motivation? Like. what do you what are you doing it for? And I think most of them are doing it. for the same reason why people become. famous. They're doing it because they.

want to be special and they want. >> and they want to say the things that. people want to hear so that people like. them and then they can make money. I. think that's why they do it. And then. once you get in, here's the thing that. seems to be pretty apparent is that once. you get in, for the most part, you have. to adhere to the mindset of all the. other people that are in your business. And if you don't, you get cast like John. Federman. Like you get cast out. They. hate that guy now. They're mad at him. because he says, "I think you should. probably have ID to vote.". >> I know. I like John Fetman.

>> He's great. He's a sweet guy. >> And he says [snorts] he he's authentic. He says, >> "Well, that guy genuinely worked in. charities for his whole life." Like, he. genuinely worked in uh doing. philanthropy work and like real stuff. Like, he's not a greedy guy. He walks. around a carhe heart hoodie and shorts. He went to the [ __ ] inauguration in. shorts and a Carheart hoodie. >> And I talked to him when he was there. He's like genuinely sweet. Like, in real. life, he's a nice guy.

>> He is who he is. >> Big teddy bear. Like a nice guy. >> Yeah. And unfortunately, he had that. stroke and so it it messes with his. ability to recall things. So. >> when you talk to him like on a show, he'll have like a little uh like an iPad. that translates stuff. Yeah. >> Just so he can recall the question and. do it again. But you know, he's a smart. guy. Yeah. >> He just has a a weird problem. >> Yeah. >> But the thing is like you you have to. adhere and if you don't, you're not. allowed to have a deviating opinion. If. you do, you get cast out. You know, like.

Thomas Massie, you see the same thing in. the Republicans. Like anybody that has a. an opinion that doesn't deviate with the. group think, you get cast out. They'll. call you a traitor. They'll say terrible. things about you. >> There's a lot of theatrics. >> There's a lot of that. And I think. there's a lot of people that are in that. business um that start off with really. good intentions. Yeah. And then you see. them slowly give in. They slowly succumb. to the weight of what that position is. But, you know, it's not like.

they're making a lot of money. >> Oh, Congress people. >> You think they are? >> Oh, yeah. The way they make money is. inside of trading, Cheryl. >> Oh, god. I'm so. >> Oh, it's so ubiquitous. That's the dark. dark secret. But it's not even a secret. >> Is that why they never leave? >> Well, that's why Nancy Pelosi's a. thousand years old. She's worth $400. million and she makes 170 grand a year. Makes sense out of that. Yeah, it is a. little. >> make sense out of that. First of all, >> suspicious.

>> If you had $400 million in the bank, would you keep showing up for work? If. you're 85 [ __ ] years old and you're. in a job that pays 170 grand a year, I'd. look at that paycheck every year. Every. week, I'd be like, I'm good. I'm going. to get out of here. This is. >> going to go relax on a an island. somewhere. >> I'm going fishing. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to go to Mexico and go. fishing. This is nuts. >> I'd be enjoying this money. Why would. you Why would you still be working? because her her net worth keeps going up. and up and up. You've seen Pelosi. Tracker.com. Have you ever seen that? >> Yeah, my boys talk about it. Yeah.

>> It's crazy. She made She's better at the. stock market than Warren Buffett. She's. better at the stock market than George. Soros. >> But but is it possible that she thinks. she is moving the needle uh in politics. in the right way? >> It's possible. Sure. It's possible that. she convinces herself of that. It's also. possible that um staying in office is. the best way to ensure you're not.

prosecuted. >> Well, >> yeah. Because if somebody goes after. you, if if that's not legal and if you. really did have insider information and. you bought a bunch of stock on something. that you knew that I think there's a. real good case that that shouldn't be. legal. It seems like it is legal now, but if you're involved, >> I don't know. Is it legal? I think it's. a very gray area because the Congress. people are allowed to trade and buy. stocks and they most certainly have. bought stocks when they knew that a. certain market is going to be affected. by a decision that only they knew was.

going to be made. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> There's a lot of evidence for that. Like. that's how you make that much money. There's a lot of them and it's not a. Republican or a Democrat issue. It's red. blue. >> They're all making crazy loot. Not all. of them. Like Tulsi Gabbard didn't do. it. There's a bunch of people that. didn't do it. Yeah, >> but there's a lot of them that wind up. making a ton of loot and they get super. defensive about it. >> Well, nobody wants [laughter] nobody. wants to say, "Yeah, I did it.".

>> Well, tell me how you became worth $400. million. >> Yeah. >> Without providing any product. >> Like, if you invented some new mouse. that's like better than any other. computer mouse, like, "Oh, I see why you. made that money. Congratulations.". >> Yeah. Yeah. But what' you do? >> What' you do? Would Most people make 170. grand a year are kind of doing well. >> Either doing well, probably have a nice. car, probably live in a nice house. Yeah. >> You're not worth 400 million. >> No. >> That would be the rarest of rare people.

Imagine if you were making 170 grand and. you were working side by side with Bob. and all of a sudden Bob's buying a. [ __ ] Ferrari. He's got his own. private jet. >> He's like showing up with his driver. >> Bob, what are you doing? But uh but but. and or I don't and I don't know the. answer to this but I probably should. Um. aren't their finances exposed every year. or no? >> Well, >> is that just when you run for president? Because that's when. >> I don't know. [clears throat]. I mean um certainly when you run for. president then they want to see your. they want to audit you or they want to.

see your tax forms. >> Yeah. >> Um but. >> it's cute. It's fun. But when you look. at like the net worth, and it's very. difficult to find out what someone's net. worth is, but if you look at the net. worth of Congress people, a lot of them. are millionaires. >> But were they millionaires before they. went in? Because. >> a lot of them weren't. >> Well, Ilan Omar was she was in debt. before she got into office. >> This is the question, right? >> Yeah. Now she's worth millions. >> Kind of odd. >> She's good. She's really good at her. job. >> Got lucky. >> She's really good at her job. >> She's [laughter] really good at her job.

I mean I am seeing. you know through the lens with which I'm. looking um I've seen a lot of people. come into the administration that have. already had a lot of money. >> you know so in in that case it feels. like they're coming in for the right. reason. >> right but when they got in how much more. money did they make once they got in. that's when things get weird did you. start your own cryptocoin and and do a. pump and dump because you know. >> that's odd Yeah,

>> it's odd that that's legal, >> isn't it? Oh, and I don't have the. answer to this either. You probably. would more than anybody, but is there a. group out there, a watchdog group that's. looking at all of this that's like, here's another thing I just discovered. about this stock that's such and such. voted for. And. >> there's a lot of people online that do. that. There's a lot of independent. journalists that do that. But the thing. is, it never gets covered in mainstream. news, >> right? When was the last time you saw. mainstream news doing a deep dive on.

Congress people's income? >> Never. >> Yeah. Doesn't seem like because they. want to get access to those Congress. people. >> Yeah. >> They want them to come on their shows. You know, >> it's a weird business. It's a weird. business because most certainly when. people get into office, they profit. immensely. You don't just So, if you're. like just let's just pretend you're the. president. If you become the president, I think the president gets paid, what do. they get paid? Like $450,000. a year or something like that. How much. does the president? By the way, Trump.

doesn't take that money. He doesn't take. a dime of it. >> 400,000. >> 400,000. But he does that with. cryptocurren. Yeah. >> But the point is, it's like, so you make. that money and then you're in office for. four years and you go, okay, well, are. you gonna live like Jimmy Carter? Because Jimmy Carter lived a simple life. until he died. He never profited off of. the fact that he was a president. Or are. you going to be one of those people that. gives speeches to banks and you. inexplicably make like 300 grand to just. talk for an hour, which is bizarre. That.

seems like. >> a way they can pay you legally. >> If I was being cynical, that [laughter]. seems like you did something when you're. in office and they made it kind of deep. >> We're happy. you're going to go on your. boring ass speaking tour and rake it in. >> And um you know getting sitting on. boards, >> right? Makes me think of um. >> Yeah. >> the opioid situation with what's their.

names? >> The Sackler family. Yes. Yeah. There's a. lot of that. >> The guy from the FDA that. >> Uhhuh. >> approved it. >> Uhhuh. >> And then left and then. >> they found him. >> Really? >> Yeah. When that documentary Painkiller. came out on Netflix, which is just so. good. Peter Berg did that. It's so good. Yeah. >> Doc, not documentary, docu drama. >> Um, Matthew Brick plays the sack. >> It was really good. >> Really good. Um, the guy who approved. it, apparently he was saying no forever. and then.

>> they took him to a hotel for like three. days and then he Yeah. >> The Stackler family. Yeah. Yeah. Took. the FDA guy. >> I mean, what did they do in that hotel? Like to be a fly. >> Close the doors. >> Yeah. I don't know what happened. >> suddenly. And then he got a nice job. afterwards where he got paid really. well. >> That's a gross thing that they do where. there's this revolving door between the. FDA and all these other departments and. then these other corporations. So you. leave and then you get this amazing job. working for the very corporation that.

you were regulating. >> Yeah. >> Like if you were doing a good job, wouldn't they want to have nothing to do. with you? >> Yeah. >> Like this [ __ ] kept us from making. billions of dollars and like we're going. to hire him and give him. >> $2 million in a consulting job. Consulting. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> it's it's kind of a way to pay people. off. Seems like it. >> someone like me on the outside. I'm just. looking at it logically. >> Just looking at it from my point of. view. Yeah, of course. >> Yeah, it seems like it. >> It's that's why. >> and it's legal somehow or another.

That's a weird loophole that should be. closed up. You should not be able to. regulate an industry and then leave. immediately and go work for said. industry and make a [ __ ] ton of money. >> Well, right. I [clears throat] think. maybe you guys somebody is doing. something. >> Maybe somebody talked. >> That's why a lot of people don't like. Bobby. Bobb's like, >> "Well, he calls people out on that. stuff.". >> [ __ ] around with this. >> Yeah, the Sackler family one is nuts. because it doesn't seem like they're in. trouble. >> It doesn't seem like there there was a.

deal, a sweetheart deal where they were. going to give a certain amount of money, a small percentage of the amount that. they profited, and then that would also. make them immune to prosecution. But. then a judge pulled that deal right. after the documentary came out or the. docu series came out. But then you never. heard another thing about it. So let's. put this on ice for a little bit and. just everybody shut the [ __ ] up. >> Another thing I'm going to have to look. up to. >> Everybody shut the [ __ ] up and then it. never made it in the news anymore and it. just kind of drifted away. >> Talks about it. >> But that that family is responsible for. the death of who knows how many people.

>> Yeah. >> Ruined who knows how many lives. >> Yeah. >> Destroyed families, destroyed children. And I mean, think about your if your. dad's hooked on opiates and you become. homeless and you're a child, what kind. of [ __ ] [ __ ] crazy path does your. life take where it would have never. taken that path if your doctor didn't. sell your dad something that completely. addicts him to it and imprisons him, >> right? >> Imprisons him in a life of just [ __ ]. horrible addiction. >> Well, that's why, you know, when people. talk about conspiracy theories, right?

It's a conspiracy theory until it's. proven true. >> So if that can happen, if if people can. tell doctors this is not addictive. >> and doctors believe it and doctors push. it. >> and then you find out later, oh yeah, they knew. Yeah, >> there we have documents that prove that. they knew that it was addictive. They. knew how destructive it was, but they. did it anyway. Yeah. >> It's like people can believe that,

>> but then they have a hard time believing. it about other things. >> They can't can't imagine. >> Yeah. Well, they don't want to seem. foolish. And this is the thing about. conspiracy theories. Um, they've done a. really good job of making it seem like. you're a fool if you believe in. conspiracy theories. And this is they. did a really good job of that during the. Kennedy assassination. That's when the. term conspiracy theorist really became. popular. >> Yeah. Um, it never it wasn't really a. thing that people talked about all the. time before the Kennedy assassination.

And then after that, that became this. term that they would use for cooks. >> Yeah. You're conspiracy theorist. Yeah. >> Like they use that for me all the time. >> I was about to say, "Are you like the. king of. >> I am a conspiracy theorist." Yes. >> Because by the way, what is a. conspiracy? It's two or more people. working together to do something. nefarious. >> It's always happened. It's been going on. forever. There's a ton of them that I. could just rattle off the top of my. head. And I've had a few conversations. with people on the podcast where they're.

like, I think most conspiracies can be. attributed to ineptitude and this and. that. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not most. A few, some, but when. there's profit involved, when there's. profit involved, when there's power. involved, when there's control resources. involved, >> most conspiracies in fact turn out to be. true. You know, and the more you dig. deep, the more you realize, like, there's a concerted effort to make these. conspiracies seem ridiculous because you. don't want to be taken as a fool, >> right? >> I am a fool.

>> So, if you take a fool, congratulations. [laughter]. >> You're accurate. I'm a foolish person. I'm a professional clown. >> But why do you say that? Because. >> I'm I'm the easiest person to mock of. all time. I am a conspiracy theorist who. is a cage fighting commentator. Like. [laughter] half of the time half of the. time when I'm working I'm people are. getting kicked in the face. Like that's. you know it's like that's like brute.

normal. I mean but like people look at. that as like that's normal for you. Like. that's like brutish barbaric like stupid. meatthead behavior. Like right okay. >> that's okay. >> Yeah I don't care. >> Okay. Also, I think they faked the Gulf. of Tankon incident to get us into. Vietnam. Also, production of heroin. ramped up to 94% of the world once we. occupied Afghanistan. Like, what? [laughter] Like, how much of that's. real? All of it. Plus, the United. States, the CIA rather, sold heroin or.

sold cocaine in LA ghettos to pay for. the Contras versus the Sandinistas in. Nicaragua. That's all true, too. That's. real. Like those there's conspiracy. theories you can get into that are. [ __ ] real. >> and you don't mind people you you don't. care what people say about you. >> Well, I mean. >> if they say no, he's foolish. He. >> I am foolish. I'm a foolish person. >> Well, I think that gives you superpower. to just say I don't I don't care what.

you think about me. Yes. I It's It's. like doing improv, right? >> Well, nobody wants people to think badly. of them, right? >> I don't want people to feel badly of me. Does it. affect your dayto-day? >> I don't pay attention. >> I don't pay attention to it. It's not. good for you to pay attention to. >> No. >> Like if you see yourself trending on. >> I don't see myself trending. You don't. ever check it. >> Nope. Never. Never. >> That is so smart. >> It's not good for you. You're not going. to change it. You're not going to change. it. Yeah. You just got to keep moving.

>> And [snorts] with kids, that's hard to. say. It's hard to tell kids don't pay. attention to. They're going to pay. attention, you know, but they become. more resilient from paying attention. And I hope your kids know who you are. I. would hope that they get you. Yeah. You. know, and I think my kids get me. And I. think my family gets me. I look, I am. who I am. I'm a fool, but I'm an honest. fool, >> you know. I'll tell you what I believe. >> And it might not make any [laughter]. sense to you, and you can mock me all. day long. >> I'm a fool. That's what's so funny.

>> I think there's some things that I'm. foolish with, but it's okay. Well, I. mean, listen, >> it doesn't bother me to I'm I'm nice. I'm a kind person. I try to be. I work. hard at it. >> Well, you're smart and you're curious. and you're kind to people. >> I think it's important to do. I think. it's to live a good life. You should. have a good community of people that you. love and you care for and you should be. as nice to them as you can and have some. fun in this life. That's That's what I. But also, you can't be scared of people. who don't know you thinking that you're.

an idiot if you're saying something you. truly truly believe in. >> Yeah. >> You know, so I don't mind talking about. like the moonlanding hoax or [ __ ]. UFOs or I don't care all the things that. people are like, "Oh, that makes you. look like a cook." Like, >> I don't care. >> Who cares? >> Then don't listen. >> Who cares? >> But I But. >> you don't have to listen, >> right? But also like I don't have to. audition for something, right? Like if I. did, then maybe I would change. Like I. know a lot of comedians that kind of. change their act once they started. getting on TV.

>> Yeah. >> Cuz they kind of take the edge off their. act. They don't want to be as. controversial. They're worried about a. bit maybe getting clipped and going. viral or especially like only part of. the bit where like it's out of context. Doesn't show the whole bit where you. know. >> Yes. Even words. I mean that that's goes. back to you know uh. >> the um campaign. It's like if if any. words that come out of your mouth, they. can like you said clip. >> Then it's just gone and then it's now.

you're do you talk about oh I you didn't. play the whole thing. You didn't say. this was exa exhausting matter. It. doesn't matter. The words came out of. your mouth. It doesn't matter. >> Well, look at Trump's lawsuit with the. BBC. They completely clipped his speech. and took 50 minutes of it out and put. another thing at the end of it to make. it look like he was trying to get people. to go and attack the capital. >> Yeah. That's crazy. >> It's crazy. And you know, he's suing. them now and then the head of the BBC. had to resign and but it's like that is.

normal. That kind of behavior is normal. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But what is this election going to look. like with AI and it's just going to be. >> craziness. >> So crazy. I mean, the last one was. crazy. This one's going to be so. I I I can't even imagine what it's going. to look like. >> Well, it's also Trump has kind of. changed the way people interact in. debates and in in politics, you know, and there's people that are trying to. emulate his success,

>> right? Which happens in like all art. forms. And I think running for president. and being an entertainer are kind of. connected in the fact that you could. almost say that like campaigning is kind. of a performance art. >> Absolutely. >> I mean, think of like like Kla Harris, she had that one great speech that she. did when they announced that she was. going to run for president when she. said, "If you're going to say something, >> say it to my face." And everybody went, "Oh [ __ ] it's on." And then she ramped. up in the charts and what what was that?

Well, that was a great performance. That. was a piece of art, right? If you're. going to be an that that's what that is. >> So, it's like this is what these people. are doing. And he's changed the art form. in a lot of ways. Like he is like. >> Yeah. >> You know, like when Elvis Presley came. out and started shaking his hips and. everybody's like, "What the [ __ ]. [snorts] is going on? >> Are we allowed to do that? I'm going to. do that.". >> Right. When Jimmyi Hendris lit his. guitar on fire, everybody's like, "What. the [ __ ] We can do that?" You know, it's like someone sometimes comes along. that changes the way people do the.

thing. Yeah. and he has unfortunately. turned everyone into an insult artist. >> Whereas you go to the Obama Mitt Romney. thing and if you can find the actual. one, not one where people are commenting. on it, it's actually interesting. Yeah. >> There there's another one that's the. really good one. I think the best one is. Clinton when he was running for. president. When Clinton was running for. president, he was so good. He was so. measured and so Oh, not only that, if. you listen to what he's saying back. then, >> what's really crazy is a lot of it are.

right-wing talking points of today. >> You know, when they talk about. immigration, when they talk, it's. right-wing talking points of today, >> but it's looking out for the American. middle class. >> No, even Hillary, the things that are. going around the things that she said. that. >> now people are furious about. I know. When she was running for president in. 2008, we've played this clip a bunch of. times where she's saying if you're in. this country illegally. Yeah. First of. all, you should have to pay a stiff fine. and if you've been arrested for any.

crime, you get kicked out of the. country, no questions asked. Everybody's. cheering. And you should learn to speak. English. And everybody went nuts. Yeah. >> Like that's so MAGA. >> It's so MAGA. It's more MAGA than like. JD Vance. >> Yeah, >> it really is. It's crazy. >> It is pretty. It is crazy. It's crazy. But also, um, like no selfawareness. of some of the Democrats that are.

watching what's happening. And also, >> I just don't think anybody capable. >> There's no other than Gavin Newsome, right, who is like the ultimate like. slick politician guy. And regardless of. how the state goes in California, regardless of how the city of San. Francisco goes, he keeps winning because. he's really good at like being slick and. like saying, >> well, he's a [ __ ] politician and he's. a good-looking guy and he's tall and. he's got nice hair and people are dumb.

and they're like, >> he could be the president. He's my. president. >> He could definitely play the president. on TV. >> 100%. Right. So like that's all you have. to do. Like you have to just be. >> look the part. >> say the say it the way we like a. president to say it. >> Yeah. >> And it's crazy because like they're the. only people today that are allowed to. talk like that and say things that we. know aren't true in a way that is a way. that a person talks when they're running. for president that they never talk like. in real life. It's.

>> true. >> Like if that if someone's over your. house they start talking like that. you're like Steve is [ __ ] crazy. We. got to get him out of the house. >> He's very presentational. [laughter]. It's so fake. >> And you're right. There's a lot of the. shouting and yelling and. >> it's weird. >> It is weird. >> And now it's become insulting. And now. it's a lot of insulting. And Newsome has. tried to ape Trump's behavior patterns. >> I hope it's I hope the pendulum swings. back to. >> you need a really good candidate from. the left. I don't know who that's going. to be. >> I don't think I don't see anybody. This. that James Tarico guy is kind of.

interesting. He's pretty interesting. I've had him on the podcast before. He's. a very religious guy and very opposed to. them putting the ten commandments in uh. schools, public schools in Texas and you. know his take on it is very measured as. a religious person very religious person. like he's in seminary right now and he. essentially said that you're pushing. people away from Christianity by doing. this. >> and that it's not fair that if you if. you are not a Christian and you go to. this school you have to read the the. Christian rules and what about you know. the Buddhist rules what about the Muslim.

rules what about. >> you know this it's just not right. >> and he can talk about it in a raw way. >> and he's also a very religious person. >> I'm not very familiar with him at all. >> He was a school teacher and uh um he was. realizing that cuts to the budgets were. directly affecting um vulnerable. students in his class. >> And he [clears throat] pointed to this. one kid that he had that was doing. really well because he was getting. counseling and you know came from a. troubled background but he was really. like showing progress. And then they cut.

off the funding. He lost his counseling, started falling apart, dropped out of. school. And he was like, that is a. direct result of this lack of funding. for important things that he thinks. directly affect people that are. vulnerable. >> And he was coming at it from a very. honest and a very moral and ethical. place. And when you could talk to him, you could realize. >> Yeah. >> that he I think he's a good man. And uh. he has a real good chance of being like. a. >> Is he from Texas? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He also pointed to the fact that. >> he's kind of young, right? very young. I think he's like 35 or 36.

or something like that. >> But um it's also he pointed out that. there's a group of very wealthy oil. people in this country or in this state. rather that want to turn Texas into a uh. they they want to fund all the religious. schools and cut the funding for the. public schools. They they want to turn. it into a theocracy. >> You know, they essentially want to turn. it into like this they're what you would. call a Christian nationalist. And they. they really want to push that agenda and. they're doing it with an enormous amount.

of money. They have an incredible amount. of money and they're these evangelical. Christians and they have these very. rigid ideas about what people should be. able to do in this country. >> Mhm. >> Sketchy. >> Yeah. That's sketchy. >> Very sketchy. >> And it also goes back to money. Yeah. >> So even hearing that like to run for. president. >> Yeah. >> takes so much money. >> Yeah. A lot of money. But if people. think you could win, they might get on. board. >> Yeah. >> That's where things get interesting. Like if you think someone can win, like. how much are you willing to like ignore. just cuz this guy will get in and then.

once he gets in, that's the dirty part. Once they get in that very rarely do. they do what they said they were going. to do? >> Yeah. >> Very rarely. >> Yeah. >> Very rarely. >> Well, and do you think it's because it's. so hard to make change or you think once. they get in they're like, I don't care. I'm just going to do it. >> Well, I think if you want to be really. cynical, I think they say a lot of. things that they don't mean in order to. get elected. Yeah. They say the things. that the people want to hear in order to. get elected. And then I think once they. get elected, then it's like the Bill. Hicks bit. There's a Bill Hicks bit.

where he's like I think they take you. into a dark smoky room and they show you. an angle of the Kennedy assassination. that you've never seen before. And then. they say, "Any questions?" And you're. like, "Yeah, I just want to know what my. agenda is.". >> Yeah. >> You know, I think there's a little bit. of that, too. >> Well, no, you're right. I mean, not. about that specifically, but. definitely when you get in, you see. things that are just like, whoa, this is. >> bigger. >> Yeah. >> The bigger has been happening for a long.

time and you're just a little tiny piece. that's not going to change that. >> The deep state is real. And if there you. want a conspiracy theory that a lot of. people like to dismiss, just think about. it logically. If there are a bunch of. people that are in charge of enormous. organizations and these enormous. organizations exist regardless of who. the president is, and they are in office. for 10, 20, 30, 40 years, whatever it. is, acquiring power, using their.

influence, enormous amount of support from enormous. corporations. That's real. That's always. been real. And you have to contend with. that if you want to enact meaningful. change as as a politician in this. country. And good luck. >> Yeah. >> Good luck fighting that battle. >> Yeah. And when you do get in as. president, you there are so many jobs. that you have to fill. >> Yeah. >> Like thousands.

>> In days, weeks, months. Thousands and. thousands. So you have all of these. thousands of new employees. that are. ready to work. They have have to be. organized and now they're organizing. with the people like you said that are. politicals that have been there. >> or they they're career people that have. been there through it all through. different um. >> and they're going to be there when. you're gone. >> and they're going to be there when. you're gone. >> So they'll hit the brakes every time.

they can. They'll [ __ ]. >> Yeah. They're like, "That's not the. wrench into the gears, slow things down, make backdoor deals." Yeah. >> It's just like crazy. >> I've talked to Tulsa about it and she's. like, "It's so nuts. There's people that. are in charge of these certain offices. and they just stop you from doing what. you want to do.". >> Yeah. >> And you're like, and then you have to. try to figure out how to get around, try. to figure out how to get and then you're. you have to wash their backs or they. wash yours. >> Yeah. >> It's a lot. It's just a lot of every day.

trying to frigin and I'm sure it gets. frustrating and I'm sure there are days. when you're like, "Well, I know I told. the people I was going to do that one. thing, but I can't tell that one thing. I can't even get people to change your. mind about what they're going to eat for. lunch." It's like, >> that's the real scary thing about AI. Said AI is going to come along and be. logical and say, "Let us handle this. >> You guys aren't good at this.". >> I think they're doing that now. corruption, all this corruption, we. could put a stop to it immediately.

through it. >> Yeah, >> we can make things very efficient. >> By the way, you don't think AI could. weed out the people and Congress and. wherever that have been. >> of course [laughter]. >> that have been making money on. interesting of course. >> Yeah, they have anything to say, right? >> I don't think they're doing anything. illegal currently. I think it's very. questionable whether or not it's an. ethical thing to do. I don't think it. is. But I think as far as the legality. of it, it's not it's not like.

>> illegal to invest in a company. >> No, it's not. You ever seen Nancy Pelosi. when she got asked about that? >> It's hilarious. It's so funny. Like they. caught her off guard and do you think. he's like, "Yeah, I think they should be. on participate like and she like pushes. the microphone away and like gets out. [laughter] of there." You never seen it. It's really funny. >> So maybe I have. I don't know. >> J pull that up. It's a fun clip cuz like. look, she's been running it like a G. respect. >> Seriously, she's been she's been in for. a long time. She's got it down pat, man. She's got it.

>> There's a photo of her when she was a. young girl standing next to Kennedy. >> Yeah, I've seen that. >> So, she's been in this game forever. >> She knows what she's doing. >> forever. >> Yeah. >> And you want to know who she is? >> Her and Chuck Schumer when they put on. the the African garb and they got down. on one knee for Black Lives Matter. And. it turns out that the the colors that. they were wearing were from a specific. tribe that was responsible for a lot of. the slavery. >> Oh, >> there they were the people that were. enslaving people and then selling them.

>> Then we told her that and she just. wanted to look cool. >> I told her that. That's a tough one. >> Yeah. Make sure that's true. I'm pretty. [laughter] sure it is. >> I'm pretty sure it is. >> What? >> What? You didn't listen? >> I'm looking for [snorts] the Nancy. Pelosi. >> Oh, sorry. um that Nancy Pelosi and. Chuck Schumer when they got down on one. knee with their African garb on, the the. garb that they are wearing is from this. one particular tribe that was. responsible for uh a lot of the slave. trade.

>> But and by the way, that also speaks to. how some things are just. random done by an assistant somewhere. that's like, I need to have something to. put on. And then now they're now it. looks like they've made a big statement. and it's you know it's like oh no I. didn't know. >> Well that's just kooky to do. It's just. kooky to do in the first place. I mean. just like what are you why are you doing. that? Well how about just say I feel. very strongly about this particular. social issue and we need you know.

>> less racism and we need to be more equal. in this country. >> No but it's about the photo op. >> that you're getting on one knee. Well, sometimes. >> accurate. >> Sometimes we go to uh. >> I'm trying to figure out what they're. saying about it. There's a picture, but. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> People were just mad that they were. wearing the stuff to begin with. I don't. know. >> Right. It's called Kentloth. >> So, was the Kent cloth uh did it have. anything to do with the people that were. involved in the slave trade? >> Did they wear it?

Because that's what I had read online. But again, who knows how much of that's. real. That's the problem. You read. things and it could be horshit. Yeah. Fact check. Yes. Hold. Go back. >> It didn't say anything. >> It said fact check. >> Yeah. It didn't say yes. >> Yes. Says yes. First word. Kent were. historically worn by empire involved in. West African slave trade. >> Yeah. So that's true. Well, it's funny. because when Bobby and I travel. internationally and we might we might be.

>> somewhere where they wear specific. um clothing garments, right? And it. looks cool and it's like we're supposed. to go to a event or a function and I. will think, "Oh, well, why don't we wear. what you know they're wearing?". [laughter] Bobby's like, "Calm down. Just wear your own clothes. >> Don't Don't Just don't.

>> Just don't. >> And I'm like, are you sure? Because. everybody's. >> bring it down. >> And definitely don't take a picture with. their stuff on. >> No. >> Theo von did that. He went to Qar and. took a picture with it like wearing. their outfits. >> Uh oh. >> And everybody's like, "You're bought and. paid for." And. >> settle down. >> Do you got the Nancy Pelosi video? >> No. No. Man, I. there's multiple versions of it and it's. most of the things I'm finding are. people commenting on it again. >> Oh, >> because that's where it exists. >> I'm sure you'll find it. It's out there.

>> Yeah, >> it's fun. >> I'm sure there are a few. This was not it. >> It's not it. >> No, this is Yahoo Finance talking about. it and it shows 10 seconds of it, but it. doesn't show her walking away like you. wanted to trying to find what you wanted. to see. >> Let me hear. back it up a little. And. >> she's tough. back it up a little so you. can hear the question in government. should be trading. Take a listen. >> Insider just completed a 5mon. investigation finding that 49 members of. Congress and 182 senior congressional. staffers have violated the stock act the.

insider trade law. I'm wondering if you. have any reaction to that. And secondly, should members of Congress and their. spouses be banned from trading. individual stocks while serving in. Congress? >> No, I don't know to this second one. Um. any we have a responsibility to report. in the stock on the stock but I don't. I'm not familiar with that fivemonth. review but if people aren't reporting. they should be. >> how nervous she looks.

>> because this is a free market and people. we are a free market economy they should. be able to participate in that. okay [snorts]. >> okay. >> right [laughter]. >> so I guess there is some law. Yeah, there yeah there is some law that. they were talking about. >> Yeah, that like you can't know about a. decision that's going to be made and. somehow have invested, >> right? But there's a lot of evidence. that they do and again right and left.

>> It's a lot. >> No, it's definitely not one group. >> Yeah, it's not. Well, she's the. scapegoat cuz she's the best at it. She's the G. >> She's top dog. [laughter]. >> I don't even think she made the most. money. I think um someone else had made. more money, right? Wasn't it? >> Like 10th on the list or something. >> Who's the Who's the Who's the top dog? They're the one throwing her under the. bus. Put Nancy in front of the camera. [laughter]. >> She likes She likes the camera. Get her. out there. They're hiding. >> Ny's like, "Uh, well, >> yeah. There's some guy who's like.

[ __ ] middle of North Dakota, some. >> just taking it easy.". >> Yeah. >> Just on his ranch. >> That guy Dave Rouseer. Look at that. 149%. >> Whoa. >> Okay. But that's it says stock uh value. portfolio value but it doesn't say the. numbers. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, >> right? You know what I mean? It's like. if so, if their portfolio goes up 149%, but they only have 50 grand in it as. opposed to what Nancy has in it. Hers. only went up 70%. Can you imagine if you. if you went to a [ __ ] guy and he said.

he can get you a 70% return on your. money? You'd be like, [laughter]. >> "What's your name? >> How do you know that? >> What is your name so I can Google you, Mr. Maidoff?". >> Right? Exactly. >> Yeah. How are you doing that? >> How are you making that much money? That's crazy. >> How aboutund 150%. That was like the. top. >> That guy's doing good. >> That guy's doing okay, >> right? But maybe he's smart. He only. invests a little bit. Just a touch. Just. a little bit. Just for funsies. >> in AI. >> Yeah. I mean, if you put in 20 bucks and.

you, you know, you come back with 150%. of 20 bucks, no one's going to get. >> Do you gamble? >> Me? >> Yeah. >> No. But I will. You mean you're ready to start? [laughter]. >> Um Vegas though. No, I don't gamble on. like cards and stuff like that. I used. to gamble on fights. I used to bet on. fights. >> But then um I really decided at a. certain point in time I probably. shouldn't be doing this. >> That was a long time ago though before. the the UFC recently made it illegal. not illegal, but they passed a rule.

saying that um the people that work for. the UFC can't gamble on the fights. because there was a um scandal involved. with uh fixed fights where it looks like. somebody took a dive for money and then. it turns out many fighters have been. approached. >> and asked to take dives and so there's a. current investigation going on. >> just like uh basketball. the basketball thing just yeah I mean. I'm sure it's not uh new. >> especially when money's involved if you. get gambling involved. But my thought was like I don't have any.

power in affecting whether or not the. fight goes one way or the other. I just. have insight. >> in terms of like what I think I have a. more. >> educated idea of what a fighter's. capable of than a person who doesn't. watch fights constantly. Mhm. >> So I had and also in the beginning the. early days I had a giant advantage in. that I was a huge fan of these overseas. organizations like Pride and Strike. Force or not Strike Force but Ryzen. A.

lot of these companies were bringing. fighters over and these bookmakers. didn't know about these fighters and I. knew [clears throat] a lot about them. I'm like this guy's going to [ __ ]. everybody up. Like whatever this line is. I would tell people like when Anderson. Silva came to the UFC I told all my. friends I said bet the house. bet. everything on this guy. I go, "This. guy's gonna [ __ ] everybody up. He's. gonna be the champion inside of me. year." I was like, "There's no one gonna. stop him." Yeah. >> I was like, "He's too good.". >> But you But you But you don't want to. bet on. like football or something that you're. not. You not sort of.

>> I would I bet a little bit. >> I really want you to gamble for some. reason. [laughter]. >> I'm not scared of gambling, but I do. know that it ruins some people's lives, >> but so do cheeseburgers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Some people they ruin their life. with Pop-Tarts and and Mountain Dew. It's like. >> it's true. It's going to be if it's. going to be something. >> Yeah. >> But it doesn't have to be is what we're. saying, >> right? It's the same thing as junk food. Like I don't think junk food should be. illegal. But I think what Bobby's doing. with junk food is really important. And.

what he's also doing with just educating. people like, hey, >> like the new food pyramid. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. Yeah. >> Finally, it's aligned with all the real. legitimate health experts. >> Yeah. instead of this nonsense that. you're supposed to mostly be eating. grain like you're a [ __ ] cow. Like. this is. >> by the way it it you know Bobby's job um. as secretary of HHS even something like. the food pyramid which is I I don't know. how you can argue with it but people.

will find a reason to be mad about it. >> Yeah. And it's uh no matter what he says. or sometimes the president says, even if. it's something great like uh favored. nations um drug prices, >> right, >> where they're saying for the first time, America is not going to pay more than. other countries for for drugs, pharmaceutical drugs. >> Somehow there are people out there that.

would be mad about it. >> Yeah. >> They're not going to take it. Well, they're furious and outraged. A lot of. them are probably paid off. They're paid. off to be There's a lot of paid. influencers. That's one thing to take. into consideration when it comes to. anything. Not like foreign policy. issues, pharmaceutical drug issues. There's a lot of people that are paid to. have certain opinions. >> That's fact. >> And get it out there. >> Yeah. They get it out there and, you. know, someone takes advantage of the. fact that this person has a large. platform and then they say, "Hey, you.

know, this [ __ ] drug price thing is. wrong. We're doing something terrible. This pharmaceutical drug, too much money. they have to spend in order, we have to. make sure they're profitable on them. >> Yeah. This is a crime. This is a crime. to make it cheaper for everybody else. Like they need all the money." Do you. think that like influencers that are. just, you know, the people that are. showing you how to do an exercise or how. to do your uh your makeup, you think. those guys, yeah, somehow they get. involved, right?

>> It depends on who they are and how. influential they are, but I know that. happened during COVID. They paid a lot. of people to promote the vaccines. They. paid people. >> Yeah. >> To promote the vaccines, which is just. >> They paid people. >> That's crazy. Like, if the medicine's. good, you shouldn't have to pay people. to promote it. Yeah. >> When was the last time you saw a a. influencer getting paid to promote. penicellin? >> Never. >> [ __ ] never. Why? Because it works. >> It's [laughter] good and you don't have. to do that. >> Yeah. If you need it, you you should go. to the doctor and get penicellin. It's. like tried and proven medication.

>> It It was a weird. >> It's a weird time. It. >> was a weird time. >> Weird. Super weird time. But uh it it. opened up a lot of people's eyes and you. know, air quotes redpilled a lot of. people. I hear that term a lot. >> Yeah, I just it is there black killed. Yes. Oh, never saw it. >> Oh, you never saw the Matrix. But I've. seen you're an actor. >> I've seen him like going backwards and. then [laughter]. >> it's like Okay, I get it. I got the. thing. [screaming].

>> Oh, wait. So, Red Pill. >> So, Morpheus presents. >> Reeves. Yes. Well, Morpheus is um uh. >> Lawrence Fishburn. >> Lawrence Fishburn. Lawrence Fishburn. presents Keo Reeves with two pills. Okay, >> one of them is the blue pill. If he. takes his blue pill, he stays in the. matrix and he has no knowledge of what. reality is all about. >> If he takes the red pill, the red pill. is reality and he gets to see. >> So, he takes the red pill. >> The red pill is reality. And so, there's. a lot of people that took that blue pill.

and you know, and they can't tell you. what a woman is. >> That's um. >> an interesting conversation when you. hear that. >> A great example of someone who took the. blue pill. when you just say like in these. congressional hearings like Josh Howley. or these people say. >> what is a woman. >> and like someone who identifies as a. woman. Okay, what are they identifying. as? And it's like this weird circular. logic and they just keep going and they. don't have anything. >> Can can men menrate? Can men get.

pregnant? Yes, some men can get. pregnant. Yes, some men can have babies. Yes, some men menrate. And you're like, are you are you do you have a PhD? Are. you really a teacher? Like this is. crazy. >> It is. >> That's blue pill. They took the blue. pill. >> Is there such thing as a black pill? >> Yes. Those people that think we're. doomed and we're [ __ ] and everything's. they think it's all pedophiles and. Satanists are running the government. And then the white pill is people who. think everything's going to be great.

>> Oh, [laughter]. >> can I get the white one? >> Yeah, the white pill would be a good. thing to take, but I don't think it's. accurate. [laughter] I think you want a. gray pill. if they just have a gray pill. that gets you like, hey, there probably. are a bunch of Satanists and pedophiles. in positions of high power. And then. there's also probably a real good chance. that we'll pull through this and we'll. be better than we've ever been before. That's possible. >> There's a lot of. >> exciting possibility about the future of. human beings. And uh I think.

>> the good thing and the bad thing about. the internet is the free distribution of. information. There's a good thing about. it that I try to focus on is that more. people have an understanding of how. things are really working than ever. before. >> Yeah. >> Like this Epstein file thing, right? That was a big eye opener for a lot of. people when you see how many people. after 2008 after he was arrested, after. he went to jail, were actively taking. money from him. MIT took money from him. and tried to hide it and said make sure. that any any donations from Jeffrey are.

listed as anonymous. So you find out. like people are like they they referred. to him as Voldemort. Like you couldn't. say his name. >> Wow. >> They there was a lot of people that met. with him and did business with him and. traveled with him after he was arrested. after he went to jail. >> Have do you spend a lot of time reading. reading them? >> No, I try not to. I try to have experts. come on. I try to loop read. >> You just you can't change it. Yeah. >> And it'll [ __ ] with your head.

>> Yeah. It's toxic. you will really get. >> it'll stick with your that I and I know. I've tried not to. >> Yeah. >> Um I I haven't read any of them. I I do. see things on the news and I'm not. saying oh if I don't hear it that means. it didn't happen. >> Yeah. >> Uh but it's just it is such a toxic. situation that I think it would be hard. to. >> It seems very dark. very. >> because it seems like it was this. bizarre blackmail influence thing that.

was going on for a long time so long. >> through different administrations. >> That's what's so. >> unbelievable about it how long how long. it was going on. >> I'm in the files for not going. >> Huh? >> Yeah. Yeah, I'm in the files cuz for not. going cuz Jeffrey Epstein was trying to. meet with me. >> Oh, I did see that. >> Yeah. And I was like, what? >> Like, no thanks. >> Yeah. >> Aren't you glad?

>> Yeah, but I would have never went. anyway. It's like, it's not even a. possibility that I would have went. Especially after I Googled him. >> I was like, what the [ __ ] are you. talking about? [clears throat] This was. like 2017. One of my guests was trying. to get me to meet him. I was like, [ __ ] are you high? >> Like, [laughter] what the [ __ ] are you. talking about? For what reason would you. what what would be. >> if I was a a guy who is like sucking up. to the rich and powerful. If I was. really interested in hanging out with. rich and powerful people, >> you know, it's crazy. Um it's so that's. so crazy. But yeah, some people.

>> some people get intoxicated by being in. a circle of rich and powerful people. even if they're not like they don't even. have any ambitions of being one of those. people. They just want to be around. them. They want to be around. >> Nobel Prize winners. And because this. guy was what he was doing was very. clever in that he was getting all of. these very powerful and very respected. people together. Yeah. And you would. figure like, "Oh, >> if that guy's there, if that lady's. here, this is fine. Clinton's here. How.

How could this be bad?" Yeah. >> Look, it's Steven Pinker. How could this. be bad? You know, he's he's a genius. Like and so you would go I I would. imagine you would go to these cuz I like. there's people that went to these like. he had parties in New York like he. brought in celebrities and comedians. Didn't Lewis Black get invited to one of. those? I think he's talked about it. I. know Chelsea Handler went to one of. them. It's like he would bring all these. people in. >> and he'd like to be around famous people. and entertainers and a lot of uh.

intellectuals and professors and Nam. Chsky was famously deeply involved. >> So it's like you would go I guess to. these places and that was how he would. convince everybody that everything is. going to be fine. Like have you ever. been invited to a party and someone tell. you, "Hey, you should go to this party. Brad Pitt's going to be there." Like. they'll they'll tell you that to try to. get you to go. They tell you about the. famous people that are going to be there. like oh. >> oh I should go. >> I don't know I don't know. >> you know.

>> yeah. it is weird some people are really. driven by that really love the. >> parties and the invitations. >> and blindly ambitious. >> right they're willing to like put aside. >> you know all the possibilities of what. could be awful about these. and get together with them without even. a cursory Google search. >> as to who you're hanging out with. >> You can't have your assistant Google. something. >> How about you just.

>> take, hey, [laughter] look what I just. found out. >> This is kind of crazy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's just But it's what's more. bizarre is that there's probably and. this I talked to Mike Benz about this. We were he was like explaining how this. guy rose to prominence and how he got. this kind of influence that he had and. he was like there's probably a bunch of. those going on right now that we don't. know about. >> What people that are. >> like that like a same sort of Jeffrey.

Epstein type situation. >> to someone else and doing it somewhere. else and they just haven't been caught. yet. >> Yeah. >> Like if he didn't get arrested, let's. think about this. >> Yeah. >> Cuz his particular perversion, the. darkness of it was that he was into. underage girls. He was into young girls. Imagine if he wasn't. What was he? What. if he was only into girls that are in. their 30s? Like, you would have never. heard anything about it. What if he just. hired. >> these uh adult ladies to come to these. parties that were already sex workers? Would you have heard anything about.

this? >> I know. >> And that's the thing, like, is that. happening right now? >> Right. >> Did you hear about how this started in. 2005? I think this is. >> No, but I It's It's I'm glad you're. saying that because I'm. >> This is crazy. >> Two girls fighting. >> So, it started between a fight between. two teenage girls at Royal Palm Beach. High School in Florida. Here are the. details of how the event triggered the. investigation. Early 2005, two girls at. uh Royal Palm Beach High School got into. a fight during which one girl repeatedly. called the other girl a prostitute or.

hooker. Following the fight, school. administrations and parents. investigated, searching one of the. girls's purses and finding $300 in cash. The confession. A student initially. claimed the money was from working at a. fast food restaurant, but later revealed. she had been paid for massages by a. wealthy man, later identified as Jeffrey. Epstein. This revelation led to a police. investigation in March of 2005 when the. stepmother and one of the girls reported. the molestation to the Palm Beach. police. Wow. >> Wow. That's in 2005.

>> That was the first arrest. >> And now listen to this. that says they. identify the uh what the Royal Palm. Beach High was identified as a focal. point for recruitment where according to. investigations at least 15 students were. lured into Epstein's Palm Beach home. Holy [ __ ]. >> That's so crazy. 2005. >> Imagine if those girls didn't get in. that fight. Imagine if that didn't. happen. >> Yeah. >> It's dark. >> It's dark. >> Yeah. But if that guy was not into that, if he was not into high school girls,

right? Like if he was just into grown. women who were sex workers and he ran. the same operation exactly the same way, it could probably go on to this day. Yeah. >> And if everybody kept their [ __ ]. mouth shut and if all these guys, you. know, >> Oh, yeah. I mean, look at. >> look at some people that are in the. >> There was nothing going on. So. >> Oh, FBI concluded Jeffrey Epstein wasn't. running a sex trafficking ring for. powerful men file show. >> So there you go. >> There you go. Who says that? What's that. source? Yeah, it's going around the I.

just found the place that was showing. the headline. It was going around the. internet today. >> Yeah, the AP is the AP reporting it. >> Yeah, >> today. >> Oh, I thought that was from I thought. that was from 2005. >> This is like the FBI. [laughter]. >> I was like, "Oh, that [snorts]. >> that's the gaslightiest gaslighting [ __ ]. I've ever heard in my life.". >> Whoa. >> What do they think is going on? Just a. bunch of fun. >> bunch of guys hanging out. That is. >> being fellas having cocktails talking. about science. >> They're still looking into it, but they. don't have any evidence.

>> Look into it. Maybe see get Eddie Bravo. in the case. >> I'm looking into it. That is. >> of a show. Look into it. >> It's so crazy. It's It's But. >> there's probably a lot of that that's. gone on forever. >> And it's also probably a way that they. can secure business deals and make sure. that people do things they want to do. They have a little something over them. to do a little bit of this, do a little. bit of that. >> For sure. This is what this is what.

Yeah. >> I mean, that's what Epstein was all. about was. manipulating people and um. you know, holding it over their head and. getting them to do something. >> allegedly. >> Allegedly. >> Certainly seems like that. Certainly. seems like that was a big part of it. I. mean, is it possible that people didn't. know what was going on? >> Maybe initially. >> Yeah. >> You know, if someone got lured in like. they tried to lure me in and they didn't. do a Google search and also they're.

meeting with this eccentric billionaire. supposedly who's just not not. politically correct. Oh, he's a wild. guy. >> By the way, who cares? >> People care. >> People care. >> Weirdly, people care about billionaires. They want to meet. they want access. They think somehow or. another it's going to rub off on them. and they're going to be rich, too. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, listen, I see that. Well, you see it with celebrities, of course. I mean, everybody wants to be around. >> that. I see it with Bobby. People.

[snorts]. >> want to be around him. They want to. >> access. They want to tell him something. They want to talk to him. They want to. >> And it's like, wow. It's intense. >> Gets really weird. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It's real weird. It's a I think it's a. natural human inclination, you know. It's I think it goes back to. the tribal days. You want to be around. the chief of the tribe, >> you know. I just think it's a. >> well. >> normal primate behavior. >> Yeah. And it makes sense that you want.

to be around people that sort of lift. you up and give you. ideas, show you something that. >> sure wouldn't otherwise see that. >> in the best case scenario. The best case. scenario, >> the best case scenario, you want to be. around good people because you want to. be around a good person. If you meet. someone who's really cool, like, wow, that guy's really I love being around. that person and everybody loves him. >> Why does every look at his behavior? He's such a nice guy. >> Like, and then, you know, that's good. Rubs off on everybody. But also for some.

people, it's just like they they see. someone who's very important and they. want to be important and they think. being next to that person makes them. important. >> Just being next to them is going to do. something for Well, that's why people. name drop, [laughter]. >> right? Name dropping might be the worst. strategy that's ever been conceived. It. doesn't work and yet people do it all. the time. Like, it never works. Nobody. ever sees, "Wow, I was over at Leonardo. DiCaprio's house the other day. You. know, Leo and I are close." Nobody goes, "Wow, you're so cool. You're friends. with Leo." No, they go, "Listen to this.

[ __ ] name dropping, >> right? It's weird. >> It's weird." But people still do it. >> Yeah. It's like I was just telling my. niece. It's like a. >> Oh, you just name dropped your niece. >> I didn't say your name. Uh but I was. saying I was say like a a woman who has. a bumper sticker that says classy lady. And I don't think you are. >> Yeah. >> It's like if you have to [laughter]. you have to tell me you got to tell. people good example. >> It's like I don't think so. >> Classy ladies don't have bumper. stickers. First of all, what are you.

doing to your car? >> What are you doing to. >> What are you doing to your car? Your. poor car. >> Is it hard for classy ladies? Hilarious. Is it hard for you to go out? Can you go. out or did people struggle? You were so. famous that it's there's there's fame, you know, where people are some people. come up and go, "Oh, hi. I like the. thing that you did. >> or the thing that you do." And then. there's the super famous where it's. everybody knows you and it's probably. uh it's got to keep you from actually. doing normal things. I would think.

>> it's definitely a problem. Yeah, it gets. in the way, but that's what you sign up. for. >> Yeah. >> You know, I didn't necessarily sign up. for it, but it became what it is. Like. when I first started doing this podcast, I never would have never would if if. someone told me it was going to be what. it was, what it became. I might go, >> not ready for that. >> I don't know if I want to do that. >> That's a lot. >> I like to just be like a belist sort of. weird [laughter] guy on the outside. It's like kind of keeps working, but. that's it. You're the first.

You're the first person that I I've ever. talked to that's like, "Yeah, I just. want to be be list.". >> Oh, Bee List is sweet. >> It's good. >> You make money. Nobody knows who you. are. Nobody cares. >> You can go to the movies. >> Oh, yeah. Nobody cares. If they see you, they say hi. That's it. >> Yeah, that's it. They're not. >> Oh, hey, aren't you that guy that was on. that show? Yeah. Hi. That's it. Nice. >> Yeah. >> Nice. >> That's nice. Yeah. >> You can go to Disney World. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You get to a certain level, you can't go. anywhere. That's where you know you. [ __ ] up. >> [laughter]. >> Well, don't run for president, by the.

way. >> No chance. Not a chance in hell. >> No. Never. >> Never. Not a chance in hell. Zero. political aspirations. Don't listen to. me if I run. Don't vote for me. Don't do. it. I don't want that job. I wouldn't be. good at it. I'm not designed for it. Nope. >> That's a tough job. >> It's a crazy job that made sense when. there was 150 people and they all had. musketss. It doesn't make any sense that. one alpha should be involved in. controlling 350 million people.

>> Yeah, >> that's nuts. That's a crazy job. >> It's all a crazy setup. And by the way, uh elections are. >> hell. >> They're the way they're set up is crazy. Yeah, >> there's a if you when you're in it and. you start seeing, oh, this is what you. have to do, especially running as an. independent, this is what you have to do. for each state. It's different for each. state. >> Yeah. >> You're just like, who who made up these. rules? That's. >> people that were trying to make sure. that it was really hard to win.

>> Yeah. To make sure an independent. >> Well, there's a there's a thing where. people are not allowed to question that. But if you question, you could call the. fool or you call the conspiracy theorist. like, "Hey, I think there's some. election fraud. How much do you think. there is?" Like one of when people say, "I don't think the election in 2020 was. rigged," I go, "Well, I don't have any. evidence. I don't know." But if I had to. ask you, what percentage of. election fraud is real? I don't think.

you would say zero. >> Yeah. >> I don't think anybody would say zero. >> Well, I mean, >> right. Do you think like there's a woman. in California that recently registered. her dog and and used a mail-in ballot. and voted for her dog to expose the fact. that you could do this. >> and you know California famously doesn't. allow you to show ID when you vote which. is crazy. >> That's pretty crazy. >> That's crazy. Like you're not allowed. to. Not only you not asking, you're not. allowed. >> You're not allowed to show it. >> That seems like if I if I was being.

super charitable, I can't find a reason. why that makes sense. And if have you. ever seen Kamla explain that? Like. people in poor places that can't go to. Kinko's and they can't get their ID. >> I haven't seen that. >> Something to see. >> [ __ ] nuts. It's like the most rambly. cockeyed answer for like it doesn't. there's no answer that makes any sense. Like why shouldn't you have voter ID? >> Yeah. >> Unless you're trying to cheat. So then. the question is okay let's say they're. not trying to cheat. They just want to.

make it easy for people that don't have. ID to vote. How much of those people are. voting that shouldn't be voting? It's. not zero. It's not zero. So, how much of. an effect did it have on the election? >> Yeah, >> I don't know. But here's the thing, Democrats, if that's a fact and it. happened in 2020 and maybe it happened. in 2024. We don't know. Maybe it'll. happen again in 2028, maybe the. Republicans will lock it down now and. they'll rig the elections. Do you think. that's okay? I don't think that's okay. >> Right. Well, by the way, remember um.

Bush vGore? >> Oh, yeah. >> I mean, that's when things turned for me. where I was like, I'm out. I'm not. shady. >> It was so shady and it was so dramatic. >> A couple weeks to figure out who the. president. Remember that? >> I do. >> Yeah, >> I do. >> Do you remember Hacking Democracy, the. documentary on HBO? >> No. >> Oo, it was really good because it was. all about the Diebold systems and they. showed in this documentary that these. systems have third party input. So the. idea was that these systems were owned.

by some large contributor to the. Republican party and these machines that. were in place supposedly on this show on. this, if I remember correctly, they. showed that they can affect the. election. They could show they could. change the numbers with third party. input and they did it on the show. So on. this do and so at that time that was. supposed to be evidence that the. Republicans were capable of rigging the. election and so everyone was supposed to. be outraged. Oh my god, they've hijacked. our election process and stolen it. But.

then in 2020, because it was Trump and. he's such a polarizing character that. when he said that the election was. stolen, everybody was like, "This is an. affront to our democracy. Never has a. president said that the elections. weren't fair." That's not even true. because Hillary did it in 2016. She said. that he wasn't the the rightful. president, that Russia helped him win. >> I mean, it's been going on, I think, every almost every election. I think. there people and. >> just like. >> Gory Bush, it was like people were so.

outraged and it was they, you know, we're not going to take this. This. cannot be how our elections are held. And, you know, for a moment in time it. felt like, oh my gosh, they're really. going to woo, they're going to redo it. all and then it's every year and. nothing. >> Yeah. >> Every year it's People are outraged. >> It seems like it escalates. >> People love to be outraged. >> They do. It makes them feel like they're. doing something. >> They enjoy it. >> They seem to enjoy it. >> They do. >> Yeah.

>> Well, it it gives you a purpose. Yeah. You know, that's part of the thing of. being, you know, if you think you're an. activist, air quotes, >> you know, you think you're out there. affecting things and you're out there. chanting and screaming and carrying the. signs that the NOS's had print up. >> and you're out there and you know, you've got a purpose because otherwise. you'd just be sitting at home watching. TikTok. Yeah. >> Instead, you're out here saving the. world. >> and and people can see it. Yeah. >> But yeah, maybe maybe organize a group. to help people get their citizenship to.

help people to help people. >> Yeah. >> Organize together to move things. forward. [clears throat]. >> Yeah. To help people would be nice. But. that the citizenship thing is kind of. crazy because um the borders were wide. open for four years and they just they. invited people into the country. essentially helped them get in, gave. them aid and then once they're in now. the new administration is trying to. arrest them and capture them. So it both. things are crazy. It's crazy that you. did this and that you just let let these. people and told them, you know, you're.

going to have a better life, come to. America. And then it's also crazy that. now you've got armed masked people. running up to people asking for your ID. to check to see if you're an American. >> Yeah. >> Like both things are crazy. >> Both things are crazy. >> But it's. it's just. there's no pathway. Even if you've been. here, like if you came over here 25. years ago and you've been a great person. and you pay your taxes and you raise a. family and like there's no pathway. You. have to go back to Mexico or go back to. Guatemala or wherever you're from. the.

only way to to apply to do it the right. way is you have to leave the country. which also seems kind of crazy like. you've built the life here like. >> right. >> should be some kind of amnesty now I'm. not saying that for people that are. criminals or people that like just got. here like there should be some amn no. like no like if you're one of the people. that just recently snuck across the. border like no like this is crazy you. haven't built a life here. >> this is this is going to be hard to.

it's that's a tough uh system. Yeah. >> Right. If some some people Yes. and some. people no and. >> Oh, it's a tough system. It's definitely. a tough system. It's it's tough. The. whole thing is tough because we're a. country that's established by. immigrants. >> Yeah. It feels impossible if. >> but you can't have an open border. You. can't just have anybody come through. because there's going to be a bunch of. criminals that come through and you. don't want that. You don't want your. country to be more crimeinfested. You. don't want your country to have. murderers and and you know cartel. members just coming into the country and.

now getting citizen citizenship and. being able to vote and organizing and. that's crazy. That's crazy. That's. that's a that's a good way to destroy. your country. >> Yeah. >> You know, you have to have some way to. vet whether or not people are good. people. >> Yeah. But when you just let everybody in. and you get let 10 million people in, how do you unless they get arrested. while they're here, >> right? >> What do you do? And even then, like a. lot of them during the Bond. administration, they were getting let go. and sanctuary cities were letting people. go. They were in. >> they were overcrowded.

>> It's just crazy. The whole thing is. crazy because it's become a part of a. political pawn because they just want a. bunch of people in these swing states. for the census. So, they get more. congressional seats. And if they get. these people and give them the ability. to vote, now you have a built-in voter. base and you can just rig the election. You could rig it that way. >> I need the white pill. >> Yeah. the white or the grayish white. pill. >> I'm I'm handing out gray pills. We might. be okay. [laughter]. >> But that being said, we might be okay.

Things are headed in a pretty good. direction. >> Possible that we could be okay. But. there's a bunch of things that have to. happen. But a bunch of things have. happened that have allowed us to. understand how [ __ ] we are, which is. the first step towards fixing it. >> Admitting you have a problem. >> The big one was Elon buying Twitter. That was one of the biggest ones of all. time. >> The problem. >> No, the big solution. Well, free speech. There was We found out when he bought. Twitter that the government had been. censoring people's speech.

>> Yeah. You can talk to Bobby about that. >> Crazy. >> It's crazy. >> Crazy. censoring accurate speech by. >> crazy. >> experts from Stanford, MIT, these people. that were experts in their fields that. say this data does not align with you. know what you what you're saying does. not align with the truth. >> and this is what I think and these. people were silenced they were kicked. off Twitter they they lost their careers. >> it was crazy and the government. orchestrated it that's not good we. wouldn't have known that if Elon didn't. buy Twitter.

>> and you think people would be outraged. by that you think a lot of people would. be outrage. >> on both sides of the aisle. >> On both sides of the aisle. >> They should be. >> about. >> Yeah. >> free speech being shut down. >> But people were happy with them doing it. as long as it aligned with their values. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's not good. >> Yeah. That's not good. None of it's. good. >> No. >> Yeah. It's like you we've got to have. some rock solid ethics and morals. >> And if we if we don't have that, >> where do we get those? >> Jesus.

>> Jesus has to come back. >> Please Jesus. [laughter] If you're going. to come back, Jesus, now's a good time. But if he came back, everybody like, "It's [ __ ] AI. They think we're. dopes." If Jesus hovering over the. Pentagon, please stop with this war. They're like, "This is. >> Nobody believes it.". >> Yeah, that'd be the real problem. That's. going to be the conundrum. Jesus is. going to come back when AI hits its full. peak and no one's going to believe. >> They're going to go, "What?". >> There'll be a few, but then that'll be. really divided. It'll be like three. people in the rest of the world. It'll.

be the people that see like the Virgin. Mary on a grilled cheese sandwich. Those. people. >> Which, by the way, I've seen pictures. [laughter]. >> You never know. What a crazy thing if. that's how the Virgin Mary wanted to. give you a sign right on a grilled. cheese sandwich. >> Yeah. >> I'm going to let you know. >> I'm God is real. >> I'm here. It's like, oh, >> I was hungry. Wanted to eat that, but. now what do you do with it? Put it in a. baggie. >> You got to save it. You can't just eat. it. That's crazy. But then what happens.

>> and keep it? Show relatives. Keep it in. the freezer. >> I I think we're going to need something. something that happens. I hope it's not. something bad cuz one of the things when. something bad happens is it unites us. like 911. >> 911 united us. It did for a small amount. of time. People were pretty awesome. Yeah. >> To each other and we realize that we're. we're really together. Yeah. We're. supposed to be one group of people. >> Yeah. I just hope it doesn't take. something like that for us to snap out. of this this crazy right versus left.

thing because people just pick aside and. adopt their pattern of thinking. Yes, they adopt their. >> whatever their values are, whatever. their opinions are. They just adopt a. conglomeration of other people's. opinions rather than forming their own. And you can't question anything because. if you do, you get cast out. >> And you have to make clear that the. other side is really wrong. Mhm. And the. other side's evil and you're good. It's. good versus evil. >> It is good versus evil. >> And with every election, this could be.

the end of democracy. >> Oh, every time democracy is on the line. This is the. >> Yeah, I get sick of that one. >> Yeah. Oprah said that when she was. running for Commonwealth. This might be. the last time you're ever allowed to. vote. Like, [laughter]. >> oh, is that on the table? >> Do you think people are going to. tolerate that for real? Trump's going to. be an emperor? Okay. >> I know. Yeah. >> What? I know. >> It's weird, but that's how they get. people riled up and get people to vote. You gota, you know, you got to use.

hyperbole. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You have to make people mad. >> Um, if Bobby tried to run for president. again, would you tell him, "Fuck you.". Like, there's no way. [laughter]. Would you like would you say, "Look, we. did this rodeo. Enough, dude.". >> He's not going to run again. But, um, >> thank the baby Jesus. if he did it, you. know, once again I'm saying he's not. running, but I do feel like it would be. different because.

before I knew it was going to be crazy. I didn't know why. It's kind of like. having a baby. You know, it's going to. be hard, but you're not sure why until. you have a baby. And then you're like. every night you're hoping your baby. lives till tomorrow and it's a different. kind of stress that you had no idea. existed. But with with Bobby, I know now. I know what they're all up to. I've. heard it's I've heard all of the stuff.

that comes out, the people that come out. and they spend all day and night on line. going to events trying to get him, >> attack him, expose him, paint him as. this or that. And it was a lot, you. know, that was a lot. And at the same. time, it's so much [ __ ] that I know now. what.

what to expect. Like just a lot of. [ __ ] all day, every day. and know I. would know more what to pay attention to. and what to um. concern myself with because what before. it was all coming at you every day all. day and also my own career, my own. friends, my decisions. got lumped in with that. So it so. everything changed. Everything was. changing all day every day. And I feel.

like uh the changes that have been made. wouldn't have to the things have already. changed. The some things have changed so. it wouldn't be in that state of chaos. every day, >> right? >> It would be a different type of chaos. >> Yeah, [laughter] it definitely. >> I see why people run again because. before when I watched people run again. You watching it and it's just like a you. can't it's like a you know dumpster. fire. You're you're thinking there's no.

way that guy is going to run again. That. had to be the worst. >> four year Hillary. Yeah. >> There's no way she can run again. That. had to be the worst time of her life. And then they run again, you know, and. it's that you then you feel like, oh, >> now I understand why cuz there's almost. that idea of like that's all you had. You you you gave your best shot. you. pulled out all the stops from 1989. to, you know, so like they can't say the. same [ __ ] over and over,

>> right? >> Um, so there was that part of it that's. like, okay, and I and it's I'm sure it's. intoxicating for some people. >> Yeah. >> Uh, >> well, people like winning, too. >> They want to win. >> So they want to they want to be the. person that's on the TV that says the. new president of the United [snorts]. States. They want to be that person. won, you know. >> Yeah. >> That's why people want to win an Oscar. That's why people want to win. everything. They want to win. They want. to be the person on TV. Everybody says. they're a winner.

>> Ah, what about all the presidents before. TV? They did. They didn't care. >> Or I mean, >> I don't know. I mean, one of the weirder. presidents that was on TV was Eisenhower. because when he was leaving office, he. told everybody to be careful of the. military-industrial complex. He warned. them on television this his speech to. the union. >> You ever seen that? >> It's kind of crazy because uh this guy's. you know decorated.

former president. I mean, he's leaving. office and as he's leaving, he's telling. people to be careful, that you have to. be very wary that the. military-industrial complex wants to go. to war. >> and that we have to be very wary about. the their influence. This is a sitting. president. >> Yeah. >> Who's announcing it to the nation. I. think people were probably like, "Wait, what?" Like in I what was that? I feel.

like that was in the late 50s. When did. Eisenhower give that famous speech? >> 61. >> 61. >> Farewell address. >> It's crazy. You want to see it? >> Yeah. >> Let's play that and we'll we'll leave. with this because this is kind of nuts. because this is. >> if this this aired on television back. then and obviously back then there's no. internet, there's no VCRs, there's no. nothing. So, you saw it or you didn't. see it and that was. >> and you heard it secondhand and and. whatever opinions you get about it are. from your neighbors and that's it. and. everybody share their opinions and it. just got washed away and no one really.

thought about it [clears throat] until. the internet came around and people were. allowed to review it. So this is. Eisenhower in ' 61. >> Vital element in keeping the peace is. our military establishment. Our arms. must be mighty ready for instant action. so that no potential aggressor may be. tempted to risk his own destruction. Our military organization today bears. little relation to that known of any of. my predecessors in peace time or indeed.

by the fighting men of World War II or. Korea. Until the latest of our world conflicts, the United States had no armaments. industry. [clears throat]. American makers of plowshares could with. time and as required make swords as. well. But we can no longer risk emergency. improvisation of national defense. We have been compelled to create a. permanent arminance industry of vast.

proportions. Added to this 3 and a half million men. and women are directly engaged in the. defense establishment. We annually spend on military security. alone more than the net income of all. United States corpor corporations. Now this conjunction of an immense. military establishment and a large arms. industry is new in the American. experience. The total influence, economic,

political, even spiritual, is felt in. every city, every state house, every. office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for. this development. Yet we must not fail. to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are. all involved. So is the very structure. of our society. in the councils of government. We must.

car guard against the acquisition of. unwarranted influence whether sought or. unsought by the military industrial. complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of. misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this. combination endanger our liberties or. democratic processes. We should take. nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable. citizenry can compel the proper meshing.

of the huge industrial and military. machinery of defense with our peaceful. methods and goals. >> Crazy. >> It is crazy. So it's basically. >> he was predicting exactly what we're. dealing with right now, >> which is just like. the president should be responsible for. keeping our country out of war. >> Yeah. And well, also that there's a machine. that wants to go to war. Yeah. >> Because that's how they make money. because there's more money involved in.

that than anything. >> Oh, I I've learned a lot about that, too. >> That's scary. And that crazy. >> You don't want to be on the wrong side. of that. No. >> No. >> I've seen I've seen some [ __ ] man. >> I bet you have. >> Like stuff I did. I never I don't want. to know. >> Was the most disturbing thing. Well, what was the most disturbing. thing? >> Uh, >> for you personally going through all of. it? >> Oh, for me? Yeah,

>> I think uh. well definitely. I was worried about Bobby's safety, you. know, just watching him. >> Yeah. >> Uh. >> especially Yeah. Uh so that and then and. then for me you know I. everything changed and a lot of and uh I. don't know people just have it was.

interesting to watch people change their. attitude about me or uh that they. I'm not the person they thought I was. type of feeling which is strange cuz I'm. still the same person. Um, so that was really and and still is too. is sense very strange. >> Yeah. But you find out who's real. >> Yeah, you do. >> That's probably a good thing. It's good.

It's good for someone to betray you like. that. >> Like, go look at you, sweetie. >> See who rises to the top. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's true. It's hard. It's. painful, though. >> Yeah. You know, >> it sucks if you really like that person. and all a sudden. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you know, and also uh. just uh. people that don't know you that. assume they assume things.

>> Mhm. >> Uh that aren't true. I mean, I sound. ridiculous. It's like, okay, get in. line. Um but it was different. It just I. just did not expect uh politics to be. such a part of my life. >> Yeah, >> I'm I'm still shocked. U [laughter]. but uh you know, but it's it's. everything's good now, but it was there. were times and there still are are.

times, but really um the safety Bobby's. safety. was the most stressful. every day all day. you know, now he travels with the. marshalss and then that's a and even. when we even when he was running and. that's why I do write my book um. unscripted that uh you know he was. trying to get Secret Service protection. for so long and was denied which is also. >> right while I was running. Yeah.

>> Which is crazy. >> It was crazy. >> Um and then. >> yeah the Biden administration is like. nope. >> No. >> Yeah. everybody else you can have it but. not you. >> So crazy. >> Yeah. >> Um and then when he and then he did get. secret service after the assassination. attempt on President Trump, but it. wasn't for very long because the. election was, you know, close anyway. But just that [laughter]. just having secret service.

and security around you all the time is. crazy. You know, and you learn and also. you know what's disturbing like you. learn. you learn what to look for and what to. do in an emergency and what you know. things that you would never really. things that you wouldn't think about. But then now you walk into a room and. you look at people and you're like,

"Okay, that guy's sweating. a lot for no reason." You look to see. what's suspicious, what's going on, what's. >> Yeah. >> And you see things differently and it's. just like. >> you have to have your guard up for the. cooks. >> Yeah. A lot of cooks. >> There are a lot of cooks. >> Yeah. And you know, this was a. conversation we had recently like I. think they've weaponized those cooks. They make these people think that. they're doing something important. >> Yeah. >> You know, and there's there was a lot of. talk like that like someone needs to.

step up and do something. Like what what. are you saying? Like what do you say? What the [ __ ] What the [ __ ] are you. saying? >> Right. Right. >> Yeah. >> Like imagine advocating for that and. being thinking you're on the good side. >> Yeah. You should do something. >> Yeah. That the only solution is. assassination. Someone needs to do that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, >> I'm glad we're glad we're leaving this. on a high note. >> Yeah. Well, it's it's um it is an. undeniably bizarre time. You know, this.

is a bizarre time. And again, I think. it's uniquely bizarre today because we. know more about what's really going on. than ever before. >> Yeah. >> You know, we know more about the behind. thescenes stuff than ever before. And. just there's. >> Yeah. But and it's it's about uh who do. you believe? That's the thing. Well, once again, that's why people really. like your show because. you're not trying to. win anything. You're not trying to get.

anything. That's why people really. respond to it because you. >> I think people need some kind of. uncensored uncontrolled discourse. >> There's hardly any out there. >> No. Or most of it is controlled by. advertisers. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it's just not good. >> Yeah. >> All my friends who do shows where. they're on some sort of a show like you. you have to you get notes. people come. in, you got to cut this out, can't talk.

about that, don't bring this up, this is. going to piss off that company, this. gonna do this. It's like, >> yeah, >> it's not good for us. >> Yeah. >> And that's the beautiful thing about the. internet. Like, this is a thing that. they never saw coming. And this is what. what's so important about Elon owning. Twitter, you know? They just turned it. into the wild west. Like, go crazy. >> Yeah. >> That's that's what we need. That's the. only you you get a lot of [ __ ]. There's a lot of everyone's gonna get. tricked a few times, but for the most. part, reality resurfaces.

>> So, that's our way. >> I'm gonna I'm. going to try to remember that for the. most part, reality resurfaces. >> Yeah. When you try to squash it for a. long time, no matter what, eventually it. pops up and you go, "Oh, this is real.". >> Yeah. Because there's only one truth, right? There are a lot of different. lies, lies, lies. But then one truth and. if it like you're saying keeps coming. up, it's really hard to deny. >> Yeah. The problem is like with. government, the truth is so difficult to.

understand. There's so much going on. There's so many moving pieces. You're. like, "Okay, well, why is that. happening? Well, who's doing that? Why. is that? Why' they make that decision in. the first place? Well, what happened to. that ruler? How did he get kicked out of. office? We funded that." Like, oh god. >> Yeah. >> And it's just so the rabbit hole goes so. deep. >> Yeah. And that's one of the reasons why. people get so obsessed with all this. stuff because you could lose your mind. just chasing down every single story. >> Yeah. Or just make a new one.

[laughter]. >> Make your own. >> It's easy. It's easier for them. Just. make a new one. You don't have to like. worry about the facts and what's real. It's just like, "Oh, did you hear about. >> uh unscripted?" You did the audio for. it. >> I did. My My sister says to um play it. like at least one speed faster. [laughter]. >> Your sister's telling you you're That's. like a subtle way of her saying you're. boring. >> Why are you talking so slowly? >> Oh, that's funny. >> Uh but yeah, it's interesting. I mean, I.

think it of course I hope I think it's. interesting because I wrote it. But um. but yeah, there's definitely stuff about. Curb stuff about um the [clears throat]. [laughter]. Bobby the politics. Bobby before. politics, Bobby after politics. It's. great. It's in It's a wild ride. >> All right. Well, thank you very much, Cheryl. I really enjoyed talking to you. >> Me, too. [music]. >> Thank you, everybody. Bye. >> Bye.

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