Joe Rogan Experience #2449 - Raul Bilecky

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Raul. Joe. Very nice to meet you, brother. >> It's so good to be here. >> I have enjoyed your content tremendously. online and uh I really got into a video. this morning that I was watching where. you found this megalithic site that was. undocumented in Peru. It's incredible. that they still have these ancient sites.

that for whatever reason, it seems like. the um the money that they get gets. stolen. Like the money that is supposed. to be allocated towards documenting. these things and registering these. things, people just say, "Fuck it. I'm. going to pocket it." And. >> it happens a lot more than you you. think. >> I just hard to believe, man. Uh some of. the stuff that you documented is very. heartbreaking. Like uh one of them was.

when you flew a drone over these ancient. ruins and you showed the amount of. places that have been looted. >> Oh yeah. >> And it's just all of it. It's just po. You see these holes and when I first saw. I'm like what is what is he showing me? And then you're like, these are all. spots where someone has dug in and. looted and most of it has been done in. this area of Peru over the last 20. years. >> Over the last 20 years. >> So from 2006 to 2026, more.

>> I I I would have the biggest amount of. looting happened. It's actually died. down some. Uh but the end of the 20 so. 1980s to 2010s I would say like when it. really took off. [sighs]. >> and you can tell from the trash that's. left there like cigarettes that were. only produced in the 80s or you know. soda bottles that were only produced in. the '9s. >> How nice of them to steal the artifacts. and leave trash. >> Dude, it [snorts].

they've become landfills of of human. remains. It's uh this this place you're. talking about is I mean it's eight full. kilometers of just it looks like the. moon. Every single location has been. looted and I was like I got to go up up. there and see what this looks like and. and so pull up to the microphone a. little bit more there. So looting what. are they at at that point in time? I. mean these are hundreds thousands of. years old these sites. So what are they.

finding? Well, a lot of the mummies that. I've because I I found mummies that have. been torn torn apart literally like. they're the cotton that they're wrapped. in the textiles that they're wrapped in. I mean, it's just they've been. scavenged. >> Are they looking for jewels. >> for for some sort of metal urgy like on. the person themselves? Um the. unfortunate thing is I mean all you'll. see is you'll just see these these bones. littered across the landscape with. broken pieces of pottery. And. >> that was also disturbing how much bones.

you see everywhere. So, this is you see. a bone right there. >> These are all human bones that you just. find scattered. >> That's all cotton. And what we're about. to see here is an actual mummy that's. been torn apart. >> This is so sad that there's no. protection. >> Nobody's going out there, man. Nobody. except for the looters. But I know very. little about Peru other than, you know,

obviously the Nazca lines, the mummies, all these different things, the the. mystery of the place. Can you show that, please? >> Uh, the video was over. >> Oh, it's over. Um, but. >> there there's a there's a couple burial. burial drone shots. You. >> But it's just. >> You go to the top. >> How big is Peru? I don't even know. geographically how large it is. >> I mean, Peru Peru Peru is huge. I mean. it takes up this is another this is a. different looted site. So this is all this all of this is in.

the Paracus Nazca eco region. So this is. >> the skulls are just sitting there. >> So the looters will oftent times leave I. don't know set them up in this fashion. There there isn't a site I've gone to. where I haven't seen something like set. up like this in in the end. But so I I. pull out to show the scale of it. I. mean, every little piece of white you. see is is some part of a human. Wow.

It's tragic, man. Just so much history lost. >> Mhm. >> And so does this stuff wind up in. private collections? Is do museums ever. get it? Like what what happens to that. stuff? >> I don't think museums get it at all. It's a private private buyers. I. actually met a the term is wakero. It's. a grave robber. I actually met one in. Mirror Flores in in Lima proper at one.

of the Artessa where they're selling you. know ancient goods. Well, some of them. have real things that they they go out. and they loot. And I mean that. this is one of the things I've been. thinking about like for for the future. like what what can be done about this. because the government nobody from the. government's going out there and so. these things end up in private. collections, textiles, humans, uh. pottery, things that you would see in. museums. It's just nobody from that. official administration is taking the.

trip to go out there and preserve these. things. It seems like just the ancient. civilization of Peru is a massive. mystery. It it seems like there are a. lot of uncovered stories in that area. >> Peru is a hot spot. >> and it doesn't seem like there's an. incredible amount of research being done. other than by independent people. They I. mean so [clears throat]. Joe there there's just so much in Peru.

I mean you throw a stone and you're. finding an ancient archaeological site. I mean they're they're doing whenever. they do construction they end up coming. across structures or bones. I mean I. this last expedition I I went all over. the country and there is no lack of. archaeological sites. So the money and. I just the money it would take to fund. research on all these places is just. extreme. It it's extreme. Um, I think. there's a lot of history that that goes.

missed uh because because of what's. currently happening, but a lot of times. a lot of the research is focused on. what's going to bring tourism, >> right? [snorts and clears throat]. Like Machu Picchu and things along those. lines, which is also insane, >> but phenomenal. >> Just incredible. Like that place is like. what? Why? How? >> Why'd you build it up here? nuts. a a good friend of mine just. actually went just recently took his. family up to Machu Picchu and he's like. it doesn't even make any sense man. >> dude Machu Picchu is what started uh so.

my family's from Peru and so I would. grow up going there and I have this old. >> back when you were filming with cameras. with like a a videape um there's footage. of me finding seashells at Machu Picchu. when I was when I was like 10 years old. back then you you could go wherever you. wanted you didn't have to stay on a path. and so I don't know 10. >> for people that don't No, Machu Picchu. is like what 12,000 ft above sea. >> level. Yeah. And so and so I'm I'm a kid. and I mean I still have the footage, the. grainy footage and I'm showing my dad on. the camera like, "Dad, dad, look, I.

found seashells." You know, I saw them. in in inside of uh they were like. glinting in the mud in the wall. And so. I I took them out and that's what. started this whole process for me. I was. just like that it blew my mind that. there were seashells way up there. And I. so I studied about earth cataclysms and. ancient history and and when sea levels. were different and that just that's that. is a moment that started kind of this. whole path for me. >> How old were we at the time? >> 10 or 12. >> Wow. >> Wow.

>> Um how many times you've been there. since? >> Well, growing up we used to go every. year and a half or so and that's. continued into my adulthood. It's only. been recently the past two years that. I've been doing what I'm what I've been. doing which is like hardcore solo uh. expeditions. And so when you look at a site like. Machu Picchu or you know any of these. ancient sites, what what is the timeline. that conventional archaeologists. attribute? I mean they they attribute it.

to the Inca which you know 14. late 1400s early 1500s I think the Inca. were conquered in by the Spanish in 15. uh 1530 I think and so mo most of that. megalithic architecture they attribute. to the Inca. However, there's evidence. that there's a site uh Jamie if you. could pull it up it's called Vinyak. This this place is there's megalithic. architecture with precision that goes.

down 50 feet under under this mountain. It's it. >> check this out. >> Whoa. >> So deeply underneath. >> This is crazy. So, I believe they filled in the top to. uh in modern times, but there's. >> at the top. >> And very soon there's going to be a guy. who shows us a map.

>> That's incredible. >> Wow. >> And so you see very different. construction. >> Very different construction. >> from the bottom to the top. But that's. how it always is, right? The most. complex stuff. So that's that's showing. that this architecture here, it goes. down 50 feet. >> into this mountain. >> And what do they think this was?

>> So this complex is all attributed to the. warry. It's attributed to the culture. that came right before the Inca, which. doesn't make much sense to me because. what you see on the surface, that's. worry construction, >> which is small stones, >> right? And. >> what are what are they held together. with? >> Uh mud mortar. Mud as mortar. And uh but. then so this site has only been 4%. excavated.

4%. It's underneath all of it is that. type of architecture which is crazy. So. you have mud and mortar with very small. stones. Then underneath it you have. precision cut mega megalithic stones. >> Yeah. And how big are these stones and. where are they supposedly coming from? >> Uh that so here's a funny story. Um so. this place if you look you can you can. find it on on Google maps is you know. they call it the elo de warry. So the.

warry complex, but if you go back to the. Spanish chronicles, um Pedro Seza deleon. when he was in Tijuana, so Tiwanakco. where Puma is in Bolivia, when they ask. the natives, you know, who built this, they say, "We don't know. It was built. before us from the people from the lake. The same people who built Vinyak, that's. what the natives said. that place Vinyak. is. 800 a thousand kilometers from Tijuana.

So, and it's the same construction. So, would it make sense kind of what they're. saying the people who built Tijuana also. built this place. but before they know before they knew. that uh they didn't witness it. They was. just there when they got there is what. the locals said. >> Well, that's a lot of stuff, right? That's part of the weirdness of South. America. >> Yeah. And you know, even Mexico, right? >> Yeah. >> It's that's the the weirdness of the a. Aztec structures. I didn't know that.

until pretty recently that the Aztecs. labeled like uh Tinoitlan the place. where the gods were born. >> I didn't know that. >> Yeah. Like they they don't attribute. that to themselves. They they found it. >> when they cleared the area. >> I mean, you think about it. I I've. still to this day, you know, I I was up. in Lake Titty Kaka and I mean there's. structures all over the place, but. you're like, where were these people. living? And you because there's no.

remnants of cities or towns. And the. reason is is because in modern times, people have recommissioned the blocks. and started and used them for their. farms and their homes and things like. that. you have a good location, a place. of reverence, a place you're going to. build the next the next culture is going. to build on it, you know, and I think. that's happened a lot in a lot of. places. >> Yeah. Well, everywhere, right? I mean, that's Lebanon, too. That's Balbeck. It's it seems to be the case that those. >> Yeah. >> those immense stones where the Romans.

built on top of them. But there's the. Roman documentation is pretty precise. They documented everything. They never. talked about these enormous thousand ton. stones that are 7 m up in the air. >> Now, we're just going to put them in the. base of our structure. >> What? [laughter] They didn't even talk. about them. They talked about the the. these beautiful structures that are on. top of that are clearly Roman, >> but the stuff underneath it just just. defies logic. >> And some of the stones that were never.

moved and put into place that were cut. and quarried, but just never moved. 1,600 tons. like how. >> and things you can't replicate, you. know, nowadays. It's. >> that's what's crazy like with modern. machinery, we can't do it. >> I mean, it's. [snorts] I've always when I started this. path, you know, I was, you know, Fingerprints of the Gods was one of the. first books I picked up as a kid. My dad.

had it in his library and uh and and and. that just that set me off on a on a. course and uh. the the inability to be able to to I. don't know. I don't I don't buy the. mainstream. Uh it's it feels a little. bit lazy the the responses that that the. mainstream kind of gives to some of this. stuff. um as opposed to just saying I.

don't know. >> It's purposely ignorant. It's more than. lazy because if it was just lazy the I. mean they've been confronted by all this. other alternative archaeology evidence. and all these other people that have. like explored these things and shown and. then there was always the conventional. wisdom that there was no society back. then that was capable of doing this. So. they had to attribute it to more recent. societies. >> until go back le. >> then you're like okay you guys need to. shut the up. >> It's I mean the the.

there's a power in admitting like you're. if we're looking for the truth here then. it's like okay we got this evidence that. disrupts this that we thought before. All right just say that right you know. what I mean just say it it. >> it's fascinating that they can't you. know because they are like every other. form of academia. They're they are just. like I mean you might as well be talking. to a gender studies teacher [laughter]. just like they don't want to look at. reality. They just they just want their.

narrative and they want to be the. gatekeepers of information and then they. just want to push that narrative forward. and they're so mean. >> Dude, it I only started recently being. on X within the past year and I'm just. like the cattiness of it all, man. It's. >> just exposes them. exposes their. personality and they're just not the. type of people that I want to talk to. about anything. Especially not, you're. not the gay people. If you're a. 41-year-old person, you're not the. gatekeeper of ancient history. You can't.

be. There's too much. >> There's too much all over the world. It. doesn't make sense. None of it makes. sense. And that's I think why they're so. terrified of people like Filipio Beyond. >> and the scans underneath the pyramids. because if he's right and it appears he. is over 200 different independent scans. >> and they all say the exact same thing. If he's right, you guys are. because you have to you're going to. eventually have to say we're wrong. >> It's it's you you you have a a moment.

here where you can choose which which. direction to go. pretty soon that. moment's going to be lost. Uh. >> but it's like this is what the evidence. is presented and like you said verified. over 200 different studies. It's like. all right, we might be wrong. Let's. >> Right. >> Meanwhile, they don't want to do. [laughter]. that. >> They're still digging their heels in and. they're just discrediting themselves, which is fascinating. It's really. interesting. It's really interesting to. watch these just like flounder.

Well, and and it it makes me think, you. know, what's the reason behind it? Is it. pride? Is it ego? It's is it because you. wrote some books on it that you need to. keep selling? Is it because it's in. textbooks that universities use? I mean, it there's a lot of layers to it. >> It's all the above. But you can tell. just by the way they communicate online. A lot of it is ego. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. A lot of it is ego and just really. bad personalities. you know, these. people that are accustomed to never. being questioned, accustomed to being in.

the hierarchy of academia where, you. know, you have these tenur professors. and then they have the people that are. coming up under them and they all follow. the same sort of rigid structure. And so. any heterodox thinkers, anybody who. comes in from outside the box, they just. get all over. >> Yeah. And there's no open-mindedness. I. know. I don't know if this is like a. parable or something, but you know, I. don't know, some story where there's. there's a truck going into a tunnel and. it gets stuck and it's backing up. traffic and nobody can get through.

Everybody's trying to figure out what. the hell to get this truck through and. just, you know, some some farmer walks. up and he's just like, "Take the air out. the tires. and and problem solved." And so. the inability to let other people come. in with with thoughts and opinions, it. just it really um. >> I think it's it's a real detriment to to. to the study of these things because. >> in my approach to some of the places. I've gone, I think it is that.

>> yes, we have research, yes, there is a. level of understanding at a lot of these. places what happened, but it's also that. going into with a with a fresh set of. eyes, you know sometimes I mean I get so. locked in my work sometimes I can't see. outside of it you know sometimes it. takes another party to come in and then. all of a sudden your mind is blown in a. completely different direction I don't. see that level of openness to things on. the side of a lot of a lot of the. mainstream academia when it comes to. this stuff 60 deserves a sports book.

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of being stream academia is only a few. hundred years old. >> [snorts]. >> And that's what's weird. It's like, so. these very recent structures, these very. recent establishments want to be the. gatekeepers of information of a vast. swath of the world. >> I mean, it's not possible. >> It's not possible that you know. everything. >> It's it's not I was thinking about. >> it's not bad. >> They know a lot. They know a lot about. things they have discovered. They do.

They know a lot about Mesopotamia. They. know a lot about Iraq. all the the the. amazing stuff that they find. There's. some stuff they they've very accurately. dated, but it doesn't it doesn't explain. things that you can explain and they. want to try to just. >> fit it into the Yeah, >> that's what's goofy. >> Yeah, that's I mean, look, if the puzzle. piece doesn't fit, stop trying to force. it. >> Well, it's also it's like more gigantic. spectacular pieces and you're like, well, those aren't [laughter] important. I mean, um, Ben Van Kirkwick with, uh,

this most recent discoveries where. they're using the ground penetrating. radar to find the labyrinths and this 40. m long metallic object that's inside of. an atrium down there. Like, what is that. thing? >> Yeah. I I have my I hope it's something. my my if if whatever if they go looking. and I hope they do, this is the other. thing. It's like, let's start putting. money toward towards this like now. You. know what I mean? like figure this out. Um.

I don't know why I thought this. I think. it might be a meteorite if if it's some. sort of like metallic thing. >> 40 m long meter. >> I know. I know. >> That's a civilization ender. >> But and imagine the next civilization. coming across that thing and hearing the. stories. It's like let's worship. this or like let's rever it somehow and. put it in an atrium. That's just my. thought. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Like. there's 40 meters. >> Yeah. There's a meteorite at Mecca that.

they all go to touch. >> Yeah. >> Which is kind of crazy, right? But. completely makes sense, right? Something. comes from the sky. It lands causes. chaos and. >> then you worship it. >> I mean that uh also wasn't one of like. King Tut's knives was made out of a. meteorite or something like that. I mean. so they were finding these things. Yeah. 40 meter one is pretty big though. [laughter]. >> I know. But [snorts] also tic tac. shaped. That's the That's the other. thing. I'm like, so when it come I'm. just like, let's go. Let's go.

>> Well, you know, that's part of the Bob. Lazar lore. >> I I remember. >> Bob Lazar said that when he was told. that at least one of these things came. from an archaeological dig. >> Like what? >> What? What? What? What do you mean? He's. like, that's what they were telling me. I don't know, but they told me that one. of them was from an archaeological dig. So these things are really old, >> dude. and and his accuracy with some of. with the element 118 115 something like. that. >> from 1989. >> when element 115 wasn't even discovered.

until the 2000s. >> I mean that's why when when he I forget. who I was talking to outside but we were. talking about I think it was talking to. Jamie about that about uh Bob Bob Lazar. talking about some of these things. coming from an archaeological site. So. >> yeah, >> let's go find it. Right. You know what I. mean? [laughter]. >> Well, that's where it gets really weird. Where it gets really weird is these. mummies. >> Oh, we're gonna go into the mummies. here, Jamie. [clears throat].

>> Uh Eric Berles, a representative, talking about how he's asked the White. House to give DoD the power to let them. go see this stuff, including that a. buried UFO. reportedly an object that is. not in this country that is so large it. cannot be moved uh that they've built an. entire building around it. And I think. that I think uh either Greer or another. individual has actually mentioned this. site, but I'm not going to mention it. because it is a classified location, but.

there is a a really apparent there's. reported a really large object and and. that's one of the locations that I' I'm. requesting to to get to. It's going to. involve a lot to get to make that. happen, but that may be the uh final. destination. like that makes me want to run for. president [laughter] cuz that's all I. would care about. The economy would be. in shambles. I'd be like, "Show me the. UFOs.". >> Do you think Do you think they do it? Cuz because I've heard that like. >> kill me. >> Uh [snorts]. [clears throat] I mean it on on that.

need to know basis where they're keeping. stuff from presidents. You know, Kennedy. got too close. Like. >> I don't think that's what they killed. Kennedy for, but I think there's a bunch. of things. But no, there there's a whole. lot of layers. >> Yeah, but the UFO people love to think. that it's UFOs is why they killed. Kennedy. But they think everything's. UFOs. But it it's it it definitely seems. like. I don't know about the evidence, you. know, because it's just stories. And. that's the problem is that a lot of this.

stuff, and this is how I feel when a lot. of people come on the podcast and talk. to me, you know, supposed. whistleblowers. Some of them I think are. legitimate and some of them I think are. disinformation specialists. I think. they're designed to muddy up the water. And this is the what, you know, what. they're saying is designed to muddy up. the water. And that's what they're. trying to do. They're trying to make a. lot of this stuff look silly and and. push certain narratives and just create. confusion. And I think a lot of it is. probably some blackbudget weird science.

stuff that we have. But then it begs the. question, where'd you get that? >> Is is that really like the Diana Pulka. work where she's talking about there. essentially these things are donations. and that we're supposed to like take. these things and try to figure it out. And then you look at some of the. creation of some different inventions. that happened very quickly after. Roswell. >> I mean our our our civilization just I.

mean just been on a boom ever since. >> Yeah. Weird stuff like the fiber optic. stuff and transistors the just the the. the history of the creation of the. transistor and the people that were. involved in it seems awful. fishy. I mean, I I try to stick with what I. evidence that I can make out tangibly, and it just gets so murky like like you. said, it just it just all of this gets. so murky that I I don't I don't know how.

the [clears throat] truth would. even land, you know? Well, the truth. would have to land if there was an. overall comprehensive. effort by all of the world governments. and there would have to be some sort of. unity in this and some some sort of like. a a recognition that this is really. important for the entire human. population to understand our past. >> And if this is nonsense, let's find out. that it's nonsense. And if this is real,

this changes everything. And when you. look at just just look at the vastness. of the cosmos. It's not outside of the. realm of possibility that this stuff. either came from somewhere else or was. here because they were here. >> That there was an advanced civilization. here. Whether it's our civilization or. whatever the hell those mummies are, >> you know, [laughter] m the tridactyl. mummies are weird. We could we could. >> that we we could talk about that cuz I.

went uh I I I did a deep dive with my. friend Will and for there there is. >> there is too much a muck going on with. these things for me to for me to. objectively say uh that they are what. people are claiming them to be there. there's just there's too much wrong with. this with the picture. >> Right. Well, first of all, a lot of them. are fake. >> Yeah, for sure. >> Oh, yeah. A lot of them people have. seemingly created with a bunch of. different animal bones.

and human bones and pieced them. together. But then there's the weird. ones, you know, there's the weird ones. that are mummified and they're in the. fetal position and you see a structure. that doesn't exist in the human body, but it's complete with tendons and. ligaments and some of them have eggs. inside of them. Uh that Joe, I'm telling. you, man. I look, I want to believe. >> I think it is much closer to. than it is reality.

>> I think what we're dealing with here are. real human beings from the past. They. are ancient uh that have been put. together. Will Will from Incredible. History has done some amazing work with. some amazing specialists. I mean, people. at the top of their field on this stuff, looking at the X-rays and the DICOM. files and calling out um calling out. cuts, calling out incisions that were. made, calling out why things don't make. sense. >> And.

for me, the reason I put out my last. video on the Nazca mummies is because. there's this whole other narrative, too, of where the money is, who's making. money off of these things. And and I. think that. >> is there money being made off those. little mummies? I was. >> Please let me something. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> So, I remember I forget who you were. talking to. It might have been uh Jesse. Michaels, but. I remember you saying, you know, these.

are one of the greatest art projects if. they were fake, right? >> Well, if you just scroll to the right. here, this is what the. >> That's a goofy one. >> Yeah, but that's what the Walkerto is. selling. He sent that to me personally. the the guy selling these things. These. goofy ass. >> For people at home, you can't see it. >> There there's a folder on there that has. the pictures uh in the photo ones. But. what is the one that is the female. that's in the. >> Maria? >> Is that what they're called? >> Uh Maria is one of them. I mean, so Will.

had on um Dr. William Morrison and uh. Dr. Proctctor, Dr. Wilson. I mean, like. people in the in the in the top of their. um. in the top of their field analyzing. these things. And. >> this is [laughter] this looks fake as. >> Yeah. Yeah. Everybody, you can get this. for $15,000. This is come this comes. directly from the wa finding these. things, by the way. >> Yeah. >> I I I did like a little undercover thing. uh trying to see what I could lure out.

of him. Um. >> this is not particularly compelling to. me. Um but in the same it's in the same. class coming from the same place. supposedly the same group of people are. providing these things to the um yeah. this is in this is in the eco museum. this is where they're housed. >> monsterat is that what the. >> monserat yeah. >> monserat so these are like again these. are not that compelling to me. >> the small ones no the big one so the big. ones though are um.

gosh they they keep coming out with new. specimen there's a new one Antonio who's. a teenage boy except for his feet. His. feet are have arthritis in them and and. which indicates that they put the. footbones of another specimen on on this. thing. >> Now, what what these doctors have done, look, and here's the thing. I mean, I. want to I want to be clear. I would love. nothing more than. >> Peru to be the hot spot of of of some.

new species. I I don't think we're. alone. I don't think we've identified. every species, but also I'm not. I'm not putting my money on these things. coming out as uh authentic. I think they. have been used with authentic bones, which is why they're getting the dates. Um I think that. dude, I I I did a deep dive on this. >> Please go. No, feel free. Tell me tell. me what you found out. I initially. wasn't going to make the video I did, but after spending.

days staying up doing this research, I. just I I I I couldn't not do it. Um, and. I found like like I even watched the. whole Gaia series on this stuff and and. I found myself like getting entranced by. the like maybe maybe and then right. >> and then also watching the whole reason. of of putting this stuff out there is. like look make your own decision but. don't just take in the fantasy take in. the the other possibilities too and and. just have all the information before you. make your decision. >> Well clearly we know some of them are.

fake. Clearly, clearly, you know, even. people like me who want so desperately. to believe, and it's also the the. corresponding artwork from the past, the. three-toed, three-fingered artwork, which is weird. >> That is that is weird. And I saw some of. those ge geoglyphs down there in the. middle of nowhere, you know, these. And. so, um, and then the whole thing with, you know, the, uh, with James Fox and the the Brazil. incident and that thing, you know, uh,

the the. >> the three-fingered thing is a weird. >> thing in history. um. with these bones. I mean, I'm going to have to point you. to some of some of the videos that that. these specialists have come out. analyzing the the files. So, but where. where the money is is. exactly what's happening now. It it's. it's [snorts].

we have this possibility. We're going to. make a show about it. We're going to put. out this new thing. We're going to It. goes It goes deep, Joe. Okay. >> The the same doctors, the same. specialists that are verifying. currently the Nazca mummies have been on. the same team for the past 20 years. verifying other species and specimens. that they've. >> alien hybrids and say the same pe. literally my whole video I'm just like. >> this is what he said in 20 2007. >> This is what he said about this fake.

thing in 2012. This is what he said. about the fake thing in 2017. >> And I put it back to back. So you it's. the same narrative, >> same people. >> It's the same people, the same. narrative. >> And so you think that the construction. has just gotten more sophisticated? >> 100%. 100%. They learn. >> what is that the the major one? >> Maria and and uh Monzerat. >> Well, look at let's find Monserat and. see see the Jesse Michael stuff because. he went down there and looked at them. and they did scans on the bodies and.

>> and then if uh I have I have a link to. I think it's Dr. Morrison talking about. Monzerat's feet, the the X-rays of of. his feet and uh pointing out that's. that's on the spreadsheet. >> Well, let's see that. I'd like to see. that. So, do you think that these are. recent creations of old bones? Is that. what it is? >> That's what I think. >> Okay. And how do you think they did it? Is there any speculation? I think that.

so they're uh. >> So here's the cut off. >> What's that? Jimmy. >> just asked him a question. I cut him. off. >> Oh, >> how did you think they did it? >> How do you think they did it? >> Well, I think that they uh I think. they've gotten very good with uh. taxiderermy, >> right? Like because we've seen that. before where you take like an owl and. you attach it to an iguana. In fact, in. in the research I did, there was this. dude, there was this demon fairy thing. in 2017.

>> If if you want to pull up my my video, let's [laughter] start with this. Let's. start with this. We'll get to the demon. fairy thing soon. >> This is wild. >> So, metatar. >> Okay. >> Um, this is a from a surface scan that. was available. And I went in and just. kind of removed some of the fuzziness so. that I could highlight the bones. And. one of the things again that you notice. is that the joints have a lot of spacing. between them. These are not joints that. are in contact. So they're dislocated.

Um now the main the main part here this. the central area where the kaoforms are. in the cuboid. Those articulate with. five metatarscils normally. Um the way. the way these are lettered a would go. with the big toe and E would go with the. little toe. And um again just like in. Maria those are missing but the joints. are not lined up properly. Um that the. shapes of the joints don't don't go with. the uh matching bone on the kaoforms or.

the cuboid. >> Um that's exactly what I was seeing in. CT. So none of the articulations of the. the meotarsal. junction really made any sense and some. of the bones didn't even meet an. articular surface at all. So that jumped out to me immediately. because then my first um question goes. to how would that even be a functional. foot? So Monserat that's. >> so that's. why does Monserat have tendons? Click on.

that. Keep it going a little bit. where. I thought I saw the razor rey section. Um because people were talking about. there still being tendons and stuff. intact and I would agree that some of. those metatarscils are as Dr. Proctor. pointed out in the correct position but. then some are just missing. So if you. wanted to elevate the illusion, one of. the ways you could do that would be by. performing a raise resection. And. essentially that's a function conserving.

surgery where if you've had damage to. your metacarpals or your metatarscils, they'll remove that metacarpal or. metatarsal and kind of rearrange your. fingers or your toes and the remaining. metacarpals to keep your limb. functioning. So her feet, Monserat's. feet were just a little bit different. where I think they might have used more. um complex procedure like that versus. Maria where her feet just looked more. like um arts and crafts to my eye.

>> So and that's the So Maria came up if. these things are are are hoaxes. Mhm. >> There is also, if we're just going with. that angle, >> there's a clear evolution of the work. that goes into them behind the scenes. Like that one came out after the first. one. The first one got called out on a. whole bunch of things. All of a sudden, the next iteration doesn't have the same. >> issues. Oh, right. They're correcting. >> Yeah. And so, and that and that's. actually uh I forget there was there was.

an archaeologist on X. He said that's. very common in in the world of fake. antiquities. Like they learn once they. get called out on something, they'll. figure out how to make the pottery. better or something like that. >> Is there a lot of money in this stuff? >> Yeah. I mean, apparently, uh, >> where's the money coming from? How does. it. >> for me? It's not even in in the It's not. in the sale. The the most money coming. from this is not in the sale of these. things. It's in the shows that come from. it. >> It's in the series. It's in the.

subscriptions to get to the next season. where they're going to tell finally. reveal the truth about it. There's a lot. of be money being made in the background. with and and that's part of the deep. dive I went on like following the money. >> So, who do you think is making them? Do. you have a theory? >> Uh I believe that uh. there's actually uh. it was in it was in my video and one of. Will's videos. There was a a grave. robber, a whistleblower, a grave robber. who was part of this team, and he shares.

how um. he was getting stuff for Mario, like the. main guy. I There's got to be a team of. specialists working on this stuff. And I. mean, money went into money went into. making these things because money's. going to come from it. I mean, that's. >> Seems like a lot of money, though. >> Yeah. But you you would think that that. would kind of fall apart. I would I. would think that. >> it is falling apart, >> but it is understands, but I would I.

would say like someone would rat. somebody out like these are unscrupulous. people. >> So that's. [clears throat and snorts] part of the. reason I also decided to make this video. and and a lot of the push back on this. stuff is like, oh, you don't you don't. trust, you know, uh, Latin American. doctors or any. No, it's it's it's not. that. It's the Latin American doctors. from Peru and and journalists from. they're afraid to talk about this stuff. because things can get violent down. there surrounding this topic.

>> Article [clears throat] from 2012 about. a mummy being stolen and it goes on to. talk about um. there's a right at the bottom. I just. >> the eco mafia. >> Yeah, there's a mafia. >> The eco mafia. And in fact, the mafia, >> the guy Mario, who um. >> there you go. >> Officials have warned about the. existence of a mafia dedicated to the. trade with links throughout southern. America and Europe. And at the time is. $18 million a year in stolen. archaeological artifacts. Peru estimated.

was being taken out of the country. >> So this is all going to like wealthy. people in other countries that want to. have these artifacts in their homes. >> Yeah. And. >> I've seen the text messages with some of. the American buyers. >> Really? >> Yeah. So, these guys are just like, "Come on. into my den. I'm going to show you a. mummy.". >> The this what I'm talking about. specifically was um tapestries and and. it was actually the guy I met in the. artisanales in Mirror Flores and and he. showed me video. He was very open with.

me. He showed me videos of uh because. the the buyers want to see Providence. The buyers want to see them pulling the. the artifacts out of the ground, >> right? So, they just bury them and then. they just Well, I mean that sells this. stuff. >> Mummy crowdfunder leaves archaeologists. fuming. So there's a guy in London. that's selling this stuff. >> So Victor Wind Museum in London. >> cabinet dedicated to dead people. [laughter]. >> and they were trying to get a mummy from.

Peru. [sighs]. >> Wow. So it's um. >> What do you think is going on with the. skulls? The elongated skulls. If you. Jamie, I have a. >> um. I think that. it's one I found. >> Here's one. >> You found that one? >> Oh, yeah. That's one of three I've come. across. >> Now there supposedly there's a. difference in the way the the skull, you. know, when you're a child, what is it. called?

>> The sag the sutures. Yeah. I found some. uh without the I I every elongated skull. that I've the three I've come across all. had the sagittal all had that suture. >> like a normal human does. >> like a normal human. >> So these would be from pressing boards. on the child's head when they're in. development binding. >> Yeah. >> But then the question is why would you. do that? And I mean I heir on the side. of you don't just come up with that, you're trying to imitate something, right? You know, and so that that's um.

>> and then you see it in Egypt and the. hieroglyphs and stuff. So I I I do think. like there is, >> you know, there there's. we've we've labeled things other species. with just a bone fragment, you know? I'm. like there there's there's deserts of. these things and and I think that if the. right study went to them, you might have. a separate species. If if you put the. money towards studying this stuff. because it's all out there, man. It's.

>> like a separate branch of the human. species. >> Possibly am, >> right? Which makes sense. I mean, they're finding separate branches all. the time. >> All the time. >> The Dennisovvens, you know, all the all these different. ones that they found within the last 20. years. And there could be something with. a larger head, an elongated head. >> Yep. And that's the um I I don't know. enough about [snorts] osteo whatever to. >> go in depth about it, but it. >> I mean either you had whole cultures.

just doing this or. there's there's too many of them for it. to have just been kind of some elitist. practice. I I think. >> and a bizarre practice at that. Like why. would you want to do that to your kid's. head? >> Yeah. when clearly it's probably not. been done to your head. At least the. first people like what were you trying. to imitate. >> there? I forget who told me this. Uh. there is some I think Will told me this. There there's some woman who who did.

this practice on herself like actually. treponated her own head to um. >> Yeah, we talked about that. >> Yeah. >> Well, we've talked about trepation when. we had that woman on. >> That's to herself. >> Okay. Okay. Well, wait. So, you had her. on? >> Yeah. Well, a woman who did what was her. name again? The psychedelic lady. She's. I believe she passed, didn't she? >> Recently. >> Really fascinating woman. >> Amanda Fielding. >> Amanda Fielding. She she died recently, right? >> Yeah.

>> So, uh. >> but she did self-trepation. >> She did self trep. Uh. >> but that's not elongation of the skull. >> No. But if there's an idea that. what that trepidation might have done in. in the ancient days, they did it like to. release the evil spirits if somebody was. afflicted with some sort of psychosis or. something like that. Uh but and I forget. if it was Amanda um. something happens in in in with your.

brain waves when like the brain is. exposed or something like there's some. sort of I I don't know. Uh, >> how the do you find that out. without doing it? >> But if the skull is elongated, I don't. know if it gives extra space to uh. it I forget who told me this, but. >> it like changes the the chemical. uh structure of the brain that like kind. of like a DMT experience. You're open to. more things. Huh. >> And so an idea an idea is that if you.

elongated it and had that extra space in. the skull for the brain to have more. >> oxygen, I guess uh maybe it affects your. brain chemistry. I don't know. >> Just pure speculation. >> Pure. >> But one one of the things about some of. these skulls they found is that the. volume is larger than a than a human. brain. >> So how would you do that just by. stretching it out with boards? I mean, it would seem like you have the same. volume. You're just changing the shape.

of it, right? >> That Yeah, but there are there are some, like you said, that have more volume. that would appear to have more volume. >> And have there been no studies on these. weird ones? The ones that don't have. those sagittal lines that that. correspond with human base? >> Uh, cuz some of them fringe studies. >> That's the problem. >> That is the problem. >> What are we looking at? Are we looking. at an animal head that they've kind of. like shoved onto like human features and. glued things together like. >> Oh, with the with the mummies. >> with I mean some of these skulls.

>> Well, I mean some of like like the one. you just saw. I mean they're they're. there. Um they're they're just out in. the desert. I don't know why funding. hasn't been. >> And you found them just sitting there. and you just leave them there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I put a pin on I mean eventually. one day I would like to um. I don't know have form some sort of. relationship with the Ministry of. Culture because the thing is nobody's. going out there and and I spec I. specifically went to places this last. expedition that I went the first year.

just to see what happened a year later. and those places were looted even more. the things I had found and come across. and documented like an elongated skull. wasn't there anymore so these things are. being taken and sold Um, makes you. wonder how much of it was there in the. past, >> dude. I mean, I don't like that eight. kilometers of looting, it was all bones. and textile and [sighs and gasps]. pottery and I mean just eight full.

kilometers and like. >> kilometer graveyard. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, >> when I'm looking up trepation, uh, that's a weird one. >> This elongated skull is coming up. Apparently, this one is in Oklahoma, a museum of some kind. >> That's the one that looks like it's had. surgery on it, and there's like some. sort of a metal implant put. >> and it's come up in that in that. context. Like this one's coming up, too. But what they're saying is that the. metal implant is used after. trepination's been done to sort of patch. the bone. >> Sometimes that that has been um that has.

been documented as as happening. >> What kind of metal are they using on. your head? That's the weird. thing, too, cuz that metal has come up. in the skull scans on like Monzerat. I. don't know which one in particular had. it, but they're saying it's got like. metal that wasn't available, you know. >> What's that one in the lower leftand. corner? That one looks crazy. >> Oh, that's the Chungo school. >> What's that? Okay, so that one looks. >> Yeah, that's. >> It says it's in Paracas. I mean, that's. >> Click on that. >> It's very close to where I found the one. I showed you from my footage. >> Okay, that skull looks nuts. So, that.

doesn't look like a human skull at all. No, that one is. >> Look at the lines on that one. That's. [cough]. crazy. >> That doesn't seem like it has any of the. normal lines that a human skull has. >> The museum unfortunately is closed now, so you can't go see it. I tried to. >> Well, where is it? >> It was in par. They The Ministry of. Culture shut down that museum. [sighs and gasps]. Oh, the collection often exceptionally.

elongated skulls found in Paracus, particularly around the village of. Chongos. near Pisco, dating to around 700 B.CE to. 200 CE. His skulls exhibit severe. artificial cranial deformation practice. used by elite Paracas culture members to. signify status. Huh. That that is the the one we just saw in. that in that museum is the largest one.

>> But it's weirdly large. Can you find. some more images of that one? >> Trying to find some other stuff that's. not three years old or older. >> Oh, it's okay. We'll just see the images. of it. >> It might be hard for that one since the. museum closed. >> Right. But there's images. >> Yeah. >> So that looks like it's a lot more. volume than a human head. The one on the. far left. Just the one. Yeah. Either. one. The one below it like that. Just. the image alone of that, how do you get. a normal human head to be that large.

>> without some sort of. >> looks like you stuffed a balloon into. someone's eyeball and kept pumping it. up, >> you know, while they're a baby. Like, what what the hell is that? That's so. much bigger than a normal human skull. And then you think if it you know with. the skull binding practice I mean are is. there going to be some form of mental. difficulties with that human being now. >> if it's a human being. >> or or expanded capacity or expand. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Because [sighs]. >> so the cranial capacity is 25% more than. a normal skull. It weighs 50% or 60%. more than a normal skull. Also, the eye. sockets are larger and the jaw is larger. and more compact. God, that looks like a different kind of. human. So, there's there are And when you go to. these museums, there's all sorts of. There's What's that one up there? The. one to the right of your cursor. What. the is that? Is that real?

>> That's why I was I didn't want to go. here. This is bringing up a bunch of. fake too. That's why I was trying. to. >> Is that fake? >> I seen that one before. I don't I mean. it taking me to Facebook is already a. big red flag. I know Facebook is a hub. of fake. >> Oh man. >> Yeah. You can't can't escape it on. there. >> It's the same picture. So a lot of them. are probably AI generated. But that one. that's 25% larger than a normal human. skull and larger eye. Look, the eye. sockets are huge. That's also.

weird. Like that's the problem with all this. looting that's been going on for so many. years. It's like they there might have. been some evidence of a different kind. of human that lived with these people. And I mean, imagine if we find out that. that different kind of human was what. populated that area and they were the. people that built Saki Huan and because. they Paracus isn't Paracus is the. highest concentration of the ones that.

have been found, but you find them up in. the Cusco region too. Um there's. uh there's a video I have uh I think I. think it's chi chiseri ch h i s i n. >> can I ask you what what is the. conventional explanation for the larger. capacity of the skull and then the. larger eyeballs the eye sockets. >> I don't know that there is a. conventional explanation other than.

>> seems like you would have to explain. that like if that's not something. cranial. >> homo sapien human being like you or me. What is that? That seems that's a. different thing, right? >> You would think, >> right? Like if you look at a Neanderl. skull and you look mine's pretty close. to one, but if you look at a Neander. tall skull and a normal human skull, you. can clearly see the Dennisovvens, you. clearly see the difference. Homo. Julian's, you see the difference. That's. different, man. >> It's different. and and some of this uh.

some of the stuff in their in their jaws. and with like the set of teeth, there's. differences. I mean, I haven't done a. deep dive into it personally. Um but. there there are a multitude of of. differences that have been highlighted. >> And for people that are skeptical, one. thing you have to recognize is that it's. really hard to make a fossil. fossils. We I mean most things that die and have. died forever do not become fossils. They. get consumed by the earth like a normal.

thing would, you know. That's why you. don't find. >> I mean Yeah. Yeah. And uh I mean, and if. you're talking about going back 10,000. years, that's why you're not you're not. seeing much evidence of stuff. I mean, it's been so long. These these things. are preserved because they're between at. at most. typically at most 2,000ish years in in. that region old. They're preserved so. well because of the climate there, which. is I mean when you're going in these.

barrel, you still see the hair of. people. It hasn't disintegrated like. it's it's there. Um. >> God, that's so creepy, >> dude. I have some creepy photos for you, man. Like I don't know. You might want. to put a disclaimer out before. [laughter]. people know on this show. You don't need. a disclaimer. >> Here's a quick question. I found a video. of a guy with an elongated skull. is. talking about these and showing it. Uh, I'm just size of reference to his hand. Does the skull seem small? >> It does. Unless he's got some giant ass. basketball. >> That's kind of the size of the one I I.

the one I showed you earlier. It was. smaller than you would think. >> But a lot of the people there back then. were very small, right? They didn't have. access to a lot of protein. Like I went. to Chichinita and uh one of the weirder. things is how small the people are. there. how small the mind people. I'm. short already and the I was a giant. compared to these people. It was really. weird. >> Yeah, it's t typically the same. Uh. >> this episode is brought to you by Arra. Every week there's some new wellness.

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Go to armra.com/rogan. >> Same same in Peru until this when the. Spanish came. M and then the. interbreeding. >> And then interbreeding. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But if you go to uh Jamie, if you just. open up the photos remains folder, this. is this is the stuff you see. I mean, there's still skin on some of these. things. Like. >> which is why. >> Whoa. That's creepy.

>> Yeah, man. >> And how old is that hand? probably uh I. mean at this burial site based on the. artifacts I was seeing it's Paracus or. Nazca. So. >> go back one Jamie please. >> Yeah one second. >> Look at the cloth next to it too. So. what is that piece of cloth you think? >> Uh it's like it's braided in the bottom. and then the. >> I didn't see a hole in the middle so I. don't think it was a it's too fancy for. a sling I think. Uh, so I'm not I'm not. 100% sure. >> Unless it's a fancy sling like some.

people could fancy bows and [laughter]. arrows, fancy guns. >> True. True. >> Look [snorts] at the hand, man. That's. so crazy. >> But so, and what you see to the right of. it is like what kind of looks like. burlap is. I mean, that's what the. mummies were wrapped in. They were. stuffed with cotton or put in the fetal. position. uh wrapped with textile, then. cotton, then more textile and ropes and. and that's some of the uh cotton and. wrapping that. >> the grave robbers had torn apart trying. to find gold and jewels and things like.

that. Yeah. >> And what's unfortunate is some of the. Oh, some of the most beautiful pottery. there, too. It's just completely. destroyed. >> Wow. Whoa. Look at all those bones. This is You. found this? >> Yeah. Um, >> God, that's got to be creepy just seeing. all those dead people's bones and rope. >> It's it it it affects you, man. It it. definitely does. >> And what's the time period of this? >> This this is um.

2,000 years. [sighs]. This that that picture actually isn't. isn't from Nazca. That was another I. have a video of this to show you. this. place. >> There's just so much weirdness about. Peru. Just the Nazca lines alone. Like, what were they doing? Why were you. making artwork you can only see from the. sky? >> That's crazy. Oh, look at the hair. That's nuts.

>> Oh, normal size skull, though. >> Actually, that one I I I I don't have. the pictures in that folder, but I. measured it. Uh, it's it's it's. incredibly bulbous. It's much more. bulbous than a normal skull. That's. >> So you're just getting a side view of. it. It's. >> Yeah. And I put the tape measurer there. next to it. And. >> that's crazy. You see the skin? >> Yeah. Isn't it? [groaning]. >> The skin and the hair on the skull. Oh. god, that's creepy.

>> It's why Yeah. And I mean that, [sighs and snorts]. you know, I I thought that I had gotten. this is another thing that's been set. up. >> And you think the grave robbers do this? [snorts]. >> You know, there were some places where I. found things set up like this with. little candy, little modern candies. And. what that is is it's a tradition called. pago latier, paying the land. Um, and so.

whoever left the candy I don't think was. a grave robber was probably a lo and it. was a it's a way of giving back to the. land, giving back to the ancestors. I. started doing that with, you know, if I. had a soda bottle or something, you pour. out some Coca-Cola, pay the land for walking to for walking. to it and documenting this stuff. >> It was nice little practice. But. um. so the uh I would say that like 2,000ish.

years old just just to circle back. So. some of these things. this is all on the surface. I I don't go. digging. That's not right. [clears throat]. >> It's not on me. Uh but the weros do and. that's where they're finding these. things intact. They're finding these things intact. where you can put them into a CT scanner. and it's going to show the. the whole insides. And has any. have any paleontologists done or.

archaeologists. brought these skulls and brought them. for examination to try to find out if. there's intact DNA that can be studied. >> They're supposed they're supposed to be. doing DNA tests on six of the specimens. Uh but if you watch my video, uh you'll. see each time they've done DNA tests on. all the hoaxes that they've been a part. of before, I imagine the results are. going to be the same. >> Yeah. But I don't mean the hoaxes. I. mean the elongated skulls with the large. eye sockets, things along those lines. >> Uh you know, there is a lot of.

the the bureaucracy of how to go about. doing anything with the Ministry of. Culture in Peru is. it's so disjointed. you can't get things. done. You just can't get I know I know. Brian Forester for decades was trying to. get some sort of official path to do DNA. studies on these things. And um. so I mean I'm I'm hoping with the work. that I'm doing with Pillars of the Past.

that that some of those boundaries can. be broken where we can actually get. permission to study these things because. >> it's the it's it's Peru's patrimony. You. can't just go in there and you know. >> that makes sense. And so and and it. costs money to do those things, too. And. you have to do it in in the above board. way. And so it's kind of waiting for the. okay from them. Well, it seems like at. the very least the most bizarre. elongated skulls should be studied more. closely. It shouldn't just be like, "Oh,

it's in a museum. Look at the head. Big, huh? Weird eyes. Let's move on. [laughter]. >> Look at this bowl. It's broken, but you. know, pretty interesting. Let's move. on." Like, no. What the is going. on? >> Put some money. figure it out. And cuz. if it turns out that there was a totally. different branch of the human species, >> it's huge. It's huge. Uh. >> lots of. >> I don't know the accuracy of this. That's why I'm hesitant to even bring it. up. But as you're asking about that, that video I pulled up is this guy said. that they tested 12 or 18 skulls.

>> That's Forester. >> and some of them came back as Native. American. I'm trying to I'm reading the. the closed captioning, but some of them. did not. >> Some of them came back from the Black. Sea area, >> the Caspian Sea, Black Sea area from 2. to 3,000 years ago, >> which there have been skulls found out. in those areas, too. >> Wow. >> I don't know. Say it. >> Black and Caspian seas, as in the. Cauasus Mountains. >> Whoa.

>> So, that's very intriguing. Um, what I. can also share with you is what I. believe was the migrational pattern. because these people like the some. indigenous people of the Caspian area. and Black Sea area um. were and are dark redhaired and also. very light skin and green eyes. And this. seems to correspond as well with the. elongated skulls. So, I believe what. happened about 3,000 years ago, >> the uh ancestors of the Paracus decided.

to leave the area because they were. being invaded by someone. >> And so, they traveled south through Iraq. and Iran to the Persian Gulf. And there. they wound up sailing. eastwards. and eventually found their way to the. coast of Peru. There are different. >> That's just making speculation. That'd. be. >> Yeah. Well, so that's the thing with. with theories like this. I'm like, let's. put some effort to peer review this. stuff, you know, like let's let's do the.

studies that are needed. Uh have. multiple universities test these things, come up with the standard set of results. and then. >> I mean, >> so what is missing funding interest? It's It seems like this is in in in. terms of like really doing a. comprehensive study of archaeological. sites, Peru seems like the least. studied. Is that accurate? Half halfway, I would say. only because.

look there there's a part of me that. also feels for the Ministry of of. Culture in a way where. there's so many sites in Peru that to. have eyes everywhere to protect it to. have teams excavating things every I. mean isn't that alone kind of crazy how. many sites there are in Peru and the. fact that also you have Sakai Huan you. have the Nazka lines you have all this. weirdness.

in this one part of the world like why. you have the oldest stone pyramids in. the Americas pyramids that predate the. pyramids of Giza by thousand years. >> What do they look like? >> If you look up uh Kal. uh they are dude I've done a whole. thesis on this like I I plan to write a. I don't think I'll ever get it peer-. reviewviewed but I plan to write a paper. about my my theories on some of the. stuff I found. So, Coral was this area. on the coast. It's uh C A R A L. And.

these pyramids had Graeme Hancock's been. looking into this stuff, too. Um this. sunken circular plaza. So, they're just. This is a. >> Whoa. This This predates Giza. Well, what we think is. >> the the the great conventional the. conventional dating, right? >> So, >> all right. Let's Let's see if I can. condense this. Uh, >> okay. >> This site has, I don't know, eight of. these pyramids. They're actually all.

throughout the valley and four valleys. around it. The earliest one in a. separate valley close to this dates back. to 4,000 BCE. It has the remnants of a. sunken circular. The main thing that's. to keep note of is that sunken circular. plaza because it's a feature that you. not only see there in that those four. valleys, but you also see it 200. kilometers north of Peru. And. >> and what's the conventional explanation. for these sunken circular plazas?

>> Uh ritual uh ritual spaces. Some people. say collecting water, some people say. the acoustics are different. Here's the. interesting thing about this site was. discovered in. the 1940s. >> Wow. Look at that artwork. >> Nobody did anything about it. The the. archae this is what you'll this is what. happens in Peru in the from the 1900. early 1900s to 1940s. Archaeologists and historians were going. up and down the coast finding stuff. I.

mean just finding stuff. And they would. write it down. They'd put it on the map. That's why the Ministry of Culture has. it on their archaeological database. They pick through it what they could, put stuff in museums, and just move on. That site, Carral, predated any any ceramics. I mean, this. was a pre-ceramic culture, so there were. no artifacts to find. So, they just they. just moved on. It wasn't until Dr. Ruth. Shady in like the 80s and 90s actually.

put research in and figured out, hey, this is older than everything else we. found because they just overlooked it. There were no no artifacts. They were. just like, we're going to move on. >> When you say no artifacts, like that. seems weird to me because like why would. you make these immense structures and. not have a bowl to put rice in, right? >> They uh a lot of animal skins uh and and. the weaving they. So, uh, these cultures, what they found.

is, so that's a little a little further. inland, they had a sister site on the. coast. And so, what they would do, they. the only agriculture they would grow was. cotton. That cotton they would trade. with the people on the coast so they. could make nets and fish with it. The. fish they would bring back, they would. give back to those people whom made the. cotton for them. So, it was this weird, you know, interplay. And uh the other. unique thing about this time period is. there was no evidence of warfare for a. thousand years. Nobody was fighting each.

other. It was very just everybody. No. weapons, no anything like that. >> No weapons. >> No weapons for a thousand years. >> That seems insane. Is that just no. evidence of weapons? >> That's currently no evidence of weapons, >> right? But maybe someone stole the. weapons. That's that's possible. >> because I mean you you're talking about. a place that's been looted ad nauseium, right? >> That's true. I mean they've they put in. a lot of work though excavating. especially that site corral. >> So you feel like somewhere they would. find some sort of an axe head or.

>> they found um the only artifacts of. major note um are some of those carvings. that we saw and then bone flutes with. carvings on them and the nets, the. fishing nets. M. >> And so my whole um. my whole theory is this was a pocket. It's called the Norte Chico culture. It's a little pocket of these four. valleys. And I and I I I went all over.

them documenting these pyramids. They. don't look like pyramids anymore. They. look like mounds. This they're so old. Um but there's another place 200. kilometers north in the Casma Valley. And what they have found is underneath. the structures that are currently. exposed, they found deeper layers of. temples with that sunken plaza in this. whole other location. And those are. dating to the same time. So I firmly. believe that what we what archaeologists. currently say is the oldest culture, I.

believe it was it went the whole coast. of Peru. >> Wow. I mean like this was a cradle of. civilization. I mean, hands down, >> cradle of civilization 6,000 years ago. >> 6,000 years ago. >> So, which is right around the time we. think the cradle of civilization. happened in Sumere. >> Wow. >> And so, the hard thing about it is like. you you'll have car you'll have some. carvings in adobe that's been preserved.

in some of these places. Uh so there's. some sort of iconography. Uh but there's. no writing like the Sumerian. The the. whole thing about Peru is like there was. no. no writing system that we know of. There. is a theory and I and I believe this. I. believe the kipus the the rope strings. with knots. Yeah. I believe that was a. language. >> But the Spanish burnt as as soon as soon. as the Spanish came over, they burned as. many as those things that as they could. find and they killed the people who.

could read them. So we don't we will. never know. >> Oh god. Spaniards, how dare you. But. there's like there's evidence that they. would they took some some of the Incas. to the Spanish court and so there's and. Inca in the Spanish court in front of. the queen or king reading off of these. kipoos reading stories telling the court. and. >> from knots on strings. >> from knots on strings. >> Yeah. >> And that understanding of that stuff is. lost. >> there. It's it's lost. Currently, I. think for the last few years, there's.

been some studies being done in Harvard. trying to use AI to figure out what. these mean. I mean, >> how many of these are left over? >> Uh, can we see some images of them? >> I think 500 to a,000. I mean, that's it. I mean, the Spanish went on a mission to. burn all these things. >> because they were trying to convert them. to Spanish and. >> get them to speak the language and y. >> become Catholic. >> Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. >> And and and so much history is lost.

because of it. >> Yeah. So it's um but what's interesting. is at that oldest place at Corral, they. found a kipu. They found one of these. knotted strings. >> and it it wasn't a fishing net. It was. what looked to be a kipu. And so if you. have that tradition going back 6,000. years, I mean that's. >> there there's a lot of. >> this picture from 1994. This is what it. looked like then. Doesn't look like. anything.

>> See you see that on the right? Those. pits. >> Yeah, >> that's looting pits. >> And uh Wow. >> That's what it looks like from above. here. I was looking at a map. >> Oh, so they had to dig it up. >> This is the map from above. >> Maps. [groaning]. Oh, >> it's pretty big area. >> Why is ancient history so damn. fascinating? >> If you go on my spreadsheet, there's a. place called uh Era de What is it? I'm. looking at my notes here. Uh sunken.

plaza era deando. It's a link to my. YouTube. So, this what we're about to. see is right across the valley from. Corral. So, all throughout that valley. are these sites from that Norte Chico. culture. And I'm like right there on top. of this pyramid and just the drone. footage is epic, man. Wow. So, I went on. I went on a mission looking for these. places. Um, that's it. The thing about. this that is so compelling but also so.

unsatisfying is that a lot of these. stories you're never going to get the. full answer. >> No, you're never going to get the full. history. you're it's just the mystery. will never be satisfied. You're always. going to be hungry, you know, which is. is that for a person like yourself that. studies these places and has dedicated. so much time to it, is that in any way. frustrating or does it add to the. appeal?

>> Both. Um, >> well, I got a 6,000y old. >> question. Um, there's no one there with. you at all, it looks like. No, >> not so no one can stop you from. >> taking uh digging or. >> Whoa, look at that. >> I mean, if you if you got drone Yeah, this is just me. Uh I I actually spoke. to um there was an archa an. archaeologist who told me to go to that. place and so I went and I just I was the. only one there.

Wow. So this is my whole thing was I. identified most of these places through. Google Earth first. Like they're they're. not labeled. These places aren't labeled. at all. Um. >> that's crazy. So these aren't documented. places. >> No, this this is. So. >> this one place right here is. >> it's not on Google Earth, though. It's. not on Google Maps. You won't see any. marker of it. But I was able to do some. digging because of the guy who took me. through the site. I meet this random.

guy, Luis. Luis is amazing. He's a. farmer. Right. Right here. I freaked him. out. Um he thought I was coming to rob. him because he gets robbed often. apparently. >> Oh boy. >> But he walked me through the site and he. >> This one Okay, if you pause it, that. right there on the bottom right is. another one of those temples with the. sunken plaza, except that one has. monoliths. >> Oh, looks like Stonehenge. >> Exactly. And nobody's done a study on.

Astro. I I don't I don't know that. stuff, >> but I can almost guarantee that that. there is some sort of astronomical. alignment. >> So, what happened was archaeologists did. come back did come here in the '9s, I. think, and. it didn't look like corral. They weren't. going to be able to restore it. So, they. just kept it as a, you know, to find dating on on these. things. And it it's from the same. culture. It's just a a couple valleys. over. >> H Do you have any footage of the.

monoliths? >> Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It'll come up if. you fast forward through it. >> Uh, it's going to be back back closer to. where Yeah. >> We walk up to it. There you go. [groaning]. >> Interesting. So, some sort of a stone. circle of modus. >> I put it through AI. >> A fairly small modelist though, right? Uh, I mean, some of them are are have.

been buried and removed, >> but Oh, >> so someone's got them in their. house somewhere. >> Some of them. Yeah. >> How much of that is a problem with. archaeology? I I know that that was a. giant issue with Egyptian artifacts that. a lot of like wealthy people in other. countries would just get it imported to. their. >> their den and have a a big fancy party. >> It it still happens. Um, I will have to. say that the.

and and I mean I've seen it with my own. eyes. Looting and stuff. I I've never. come across like somebody in the field. doing doing that. Terrifying, right? >> Would be freaky. Yeah. Um. >> because they'll kill you, >> dude. You're out in the middle of. nowhere. >> and if they get caught, they're in deep. So, they would want to get rid of. you. And. I mean what I. I know for a fact the way some of these. get out of the country is some of these. wakeros have people in on the inside who. write them certificates and things like. that that say it's it's an authentic.

piece that has been owned by the family. for this long so they can get it out of. the country to whoever they're selling. it to. That's how it works. Um, what's a. bigger problem though recently after. talking to several archaeologists and. witnessing it myself is agriculture. Agriculture. They actually went to I. went to a couple sites that I I found. this by mistake looking on Google Earth. So, I would find a site and I would like.

roll the satellite date back because. sometimes different seasons give you. better imagery. I'm like, "Holy hell, what exists now is a quarter of what. existed 10 years ago. and now all you see is like plantations. planted." I mean, they have literally. >> paved over the archaeological site to. plan, dude. And that is that's become. one of the bigger missions of of the. channel and eventuality because. dude you you don't know this site could. have aligned with that site could have.

aligned with you have no idea and. there's no documentation of it. There's. no document because nobody's going out. there. These places are far away you. know. Um but here here's another. peculiar thing this last expedition. So, I found one of these sites and and I'm. on camera and I'm I'm ready to go in. like guns ablazing like how dare you do. this? How dare you erase this? And I get. there and I mean it's crumbled stones, crumbled walls. And it's just this woman.

on her farm. And so I start talking to. her. This wasn't corporate. This woman. has in fact writer. of culture to say, "Hey, I'm expanding. my farm." They didn't get back to her, so she did it. She wow, >> you know, paved over or. created plots on half the archaeological. site. So, it it becomes a. I don't know what I don't know what the.

right solution is because I I feel for. this woman. She's actually she's she's. not this isn't corporate. This surviving. she's just surviving. The corporate. stuff like pisses me off and I'll go. hard on them and and I do in some of my. videos. Um but she and she tried to do. the right thing by reaching out to the. Ministry of Culture, but what she's. supposed to do, wait 10 years to get a. response, you know, and so. >> um and then I don't know how you empower. these people because from where I sit is. at least if you could document it, then.

you'd have a record of it, you know? That's that's what I'm trying to do when. I go out there. Create 3D models and put. it put pins on a map or something like. that, you know. So, >> it's uh it's a tricky situation to try. to figure out. >> what's [snorts] the most compelling site. in Peru for you. >> I wanted to show you this. Uh if you if. you look in my video footage, uh Puru. Lin Pyramids, Pur Len, this site, uh I think it is much more.

deserving of future study. It's a site. that has 16 platform pyramids. >> Wow. And what does this site date to? So when I do this h half my half my role. here is like I'll go out and figure find. these places and then on the back end. when I make these videos I go hard on. the research like I I spend too much. >> sorry which video is. >> uh pyramids Puru Lin. >> Oh.

that's just so you can have a sense of. scale. >> Thank god for drones. Huh? 100%. >> Okay. So that's a platform. So that is the remains. >> that's dude. And then so right back if. you look back in the horizon that's the. coast. So this is right on the ocean. which means. >> this has been in inundated for millennia. by tsunamis. And.

>> it looks like it. >> it it really does, right? >> Yeah. It looks like it's completely. washed over. Look, look how the sand. >> yep has formed. >> And it's so I I kept that in there. That's the wind. The wind is so I like. >> I messed up my first drone flying it. here. >> But check this out. I keep this in so. you could just There's another one. [sighs]. >> Oh, it gets better, man. >> That seems like a river bed. >> It completely seems like water's washed.

right over this whole area. >> [clears throat]. >> I bet if you look at it from far above. it's even more evident was. >> Yeah. Look at that. >> Wow. >> And they're all the same have they all. have the same shape. >> And what's the conventional explanation. for this? >> There was one study done on this and it. was a brief survey in 1970. and um this guy. >> that's it. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's it. However, the.

archaeologist who did that survey, there's another one there. Um, the. archaeologist who did this survey has. been quoted in the past 30 years saying. he always wanted to come back here and. do more research. He just never did. It's not an easy place to get to. [snorts] Um, but what they dated it at is even in. that report, that 1970s survey, he's. saying 1800 BCE, but likely old. Look at. that. Wow.

Wow. >> Here's something unique. If you pause it. real quick. All right. So, I looked on. Google Earth and those toward the top. center, you see those two block looking. things? >> All right. So, I was like the I thought. they were megalithic. Um, they're not. All of these all of these pyramids are. carved out of the bedrock. >> Wow. >> Are carved out of the bedrock. And the. only place that there were looting pits. are behind those two stones at the top.

in that little al cove of the mountains. That was the only place. So I went there. and there's bones there. So that's where. people were buried. And I'm like, why. are they burying people here? And I. stand right in the middle and it's. facing 89 degree almost perfect east. west that little gap. So like that. that's where they were burying in their. elite people. Um it. >> so where the sun would rise in the. summer solstice. >> Yeah. >> Now how old is this site supposed to be?

>> So they said in that report he says 1800. they found one piece of pottery that's. docu they found one and and so. >> this is from 1970 study. >> Yeah. Um and so this they're saying 1800. B.CE. That's right around when pottery. started. Um, and but in that report he. says it's likely older as well. He. thinks it's older. It needs more study. But that was it. That was the only thing. that was put out there. I mean, this is. 16 pyramids here. And if you look in my.

drone footage, you'll see it looks like. there's another thing here, another. thing there. >> So, it's in the neighborhood of 4,000. years old, but possibly older. >> Correct. And I think it is. I I would. stake everything on it being found to be. much older. Pre-ceramic, pre- pottery. Um the pre-ceramic thing is nuts. All. right, so like here's the thing. What. are they using for utensils? What are. they using for plates? Like what are. they using to put their food on? And.

then if it is pre-ceramic, what kind of tools do they have? And how. are they carving? >> How are they building these. >> this out of the bedrock? I mean, imagine. the amount of effort it would take for a. human being banging a rock against. another rock to try to do that and then. to make it flat. Are these things level? Have they they're I mean, this is the. only modern. most of my footage is the only modern. media.

>> what. >> in existence of some of these sites. >> That's crazy. of that site. >> Imagine if you didn't exist. Imagine if. you you weren't exposed to that as a. 10-year-old. >> Yeah. I mean, that's. >> This is just going to sit there for like. another thousand years before somebody. else figures it out. >> Yep. >> Or or it gets paved over. >> God, [sighs]. >> that's why I'm doing it, man. [laughter]. >> God, it's so weird. >> But how weird is that? How weird is it's. just you, [laughter] Raul? What kind of.

what kind of weight on your. shoulders is there that this one. fascinating site? You're the only guy. that's got video of this modern video. That's crazy. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Thanks for having me on. >> You're getting kind of choked up about. it. >> Yeah, man. I mean, it's um. it's a lot of work, you know, and and. it's just it's something in me that I I. >> Well, it's it's obviously very.

compelling to everyone that really pays. attention to. Is this the. >> That's when you look on the the. satellite. >> Wow. And again, this is the thing. This. is not like they put some rocks in. place. They carved these things out of. the bedrock and they're huge. That's what's so crazy about it. >> I just I had to I mean getting there was. like what are we looking at man? Like that's the thing like what are we. looking at and why in Peru and why what.

happened to this area where they had so. much so much sophisticated complex. construction that was absolutely. abandoned and there's almost nothing. left. So they over the course of history what. they've found is that. especially because people like to build. on the coast and there's just up and. down the coast of Peru there's so much. >> sure. >> but then a ma a major massive El Nino.

would happen and that just floods. everything and so people are like oh we. got to we got to go up into the. mountains so they start going further. into the valleys. >> cuz Peru is so unique. you have the. coast and then the Andes just start, you. know, they just start going up until you. get to, you know, the uh. uh before you start getting into the. Amazon, you got to cross the whole Andes. and um so for several hundred years they. would live further up the valley and.

then they would come back and repopulate. on the coast and build on top of the. sites that used to be there and then it. would happen again and they would go. back and so there's this whole cycle of. there's some places where you you will. find that direct um it's very hard to. find megalithic stuff though like the. stuff you're finding in Cusco for. example uh on the coast you don't really. find that um you don't really find that. type of architecture on the coast uh you.

didn't have that building material you. didn't have stones like that. >> and so it's my belief that. [clears throat]. some of these places. existed. further back than we think. Like this. place here on the coast, the erosion and. the the wind and the water that must. have affected it. I I can only I have. footage from what we just saw was drone. footage from this year. I didn't get. much drone footage the year before. I could already see how much has been. covered in one year. In one year from.

from having gone there again. And and. it's just imagine over millions of orous. thousands of years. >> It's crazy. >> If you had to just take a wild guess. with no one holding you to this at all, how old do you think we're talking about. here? >> I think there's uh. I I I go back pre cataclysm, the. youngest. There's evidence on like Waka. Prietta that there was this mound that.

was carved out of the bedrock that Tom. Dele and his team excavated and that. academically accepted dates back to. 12,500 B.CE. And so there were there. were people living on the coast at that. time. >> So this mound, what does that look like? >> Uh there's uh it looks just like a this. is an interesting site. That's. [clears throat] it. [snorts]. >> What am I looking at here? that mound. that's. >> that's not a natural mound.

>> No, it started off as natural. And so. what they what they found was. they would use their refues and so they. would put trash on top of the mound and. then cap it with like adobe mud. So it. would become strong. It would become a. platform and then they would build on. top of it. >> So it's a trash mound. >> Uh part of it. >> How weird. That that wasn't an uncommon. thing back then. >> And that's more than 15,000 years old. And what is that? They have writing from.

there. >> No, that's what's cloth. That's uh. >> it's hard to see that fishing nets and. >> Oh, I see. >> It's one of the oldest uh pieces of. cotton. >> So you ask how they were carrying things. and all that with the cotton, but the. cotton was coming from further inland. >> It wasn't coming from them. So even back then they were um. so here's the kicker and this is part of. like the paper I'm thinking I'm writing.

uh there's evidence at that place Waka. Prieta of a sunken circular plaza and. that predates all the ones we saw by in. even by 2,000 more years. I think this. is where that tradition started. >> Wow. I think that's where it started. Far earlier than anybody accepts or. knows. >> Now, here's the weird one. Like, how did. those people get there? >> Dude, I you know, I've thought about. this. I mean, look, if you right, if. they if you're if you're if you're.

building these structures 6,000 years. ago, 11,000 years ago, 15,000 years ago, when did you get there? >> When'd you get there? And and there's. Yeah, there's the the plaza. So, I mean, I I I don't think it it. takes much. I think if you're living on. the coast or I don't know by any sort of. water and you see a piece of wood. floating on it, you're like, "Huh, all. right." Well, then a thousand years go. by and you have at that point put some. pieces of wood together to make a. flotation device. You're able to.

navigate. >> Like I just I don't see it not. happening, you know, eventually, right? >> Especially with crazy people. >> It's right. I mean, >> someone's got the the courage to just. sail out there and hope you have enough. water on you. >> or you're or you're fishing and and. >> you get stuck. >> You get stuck and there's a storm and. it's like. >> and you could never make it back, you. know? Uh but I I think that's happened. >> in multiple places. I don't I don't. think that civilization is born and. created without a that sense of.

exploration, but also that that natural. ingenuity. I mean, storms happen and you. see a a log floating in the ocean. >> Mhm. >> Well, I can use that to go get catch. more fish. >> Yeah. >> All of a sudden, you're seafaring. >> So, it just when you see stuff like this. that's that old that's 15,000 years old, you go, "Okay, well, this is all that's. left from 15,000 years ago. What's left. from 30,000 years ago?" Because it's. like double that, right? Right now, you.

look at 15, there's almost nothing. It's. like, God, it's so little. And but you. get it. >> But if you went another 15 before that, are we talking what is that? >> And and that's why I'm like with with. the stuff Beyond Beyond is doing with. the um S tech. I'm just hoping that that. can be affordable and applied in. multiple areas to to find things that. are buried underground. One one thing that I I I've always been.

curious about why there hasn't been more. research and until I looked into it, all these places were on the coast of. Peru. Well, sea levels were lower at one. point and so what's right off the coast. of Peru, >> right? >> You know, and there haven't been many if. any studies on that. And I'm like, why? Apparently, the Humbult current makes it. very difficult to This is This is what I. read because I was like, why hasn't. anybody studied this? Uh, apparently the. humble current makes it very difficult.

to do research out there where it. becomes very expensive for the equipment. you need and things like that, but I. guarantee that you'll be you'll find. some stuff off the coast. >> Yeah, it just makes sense. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Especially you find that. I mean, especially we know that sea levels were. far lower. Especially if that really is 15,000. years ago, we definitely know that sea. levels were lower then. >> Yeah. There it wasn't like this. It it's crazy too man because like Tom. Dillah got.

uh I mean he got so much from the. academic community for his research down. in Monte Verity and this site and. >> which is interesting how consistent it. is. It's still going on today the same. way. >> and. >> and they're always wrong. >> Right. It's like you would think you. might want to have an open just leave. some room and and. >> the young archaeologists are I think. there's a lot of young archaeologists. that have grown up with the internet and. they're really paying attention to this. stuff and they're realizing and also. when you're young and you grow up with.

the internet you realize like. gatekeepers of information are a real. problem and they always have been and. they're wrong about so many things. >> I mean they're wrong about virtually. everything. The the [snorts] official. narrative of almost everything has holes. in it. >> Yeah. I'm like, something you said. earlier too, like this age of study and exploration. and and radiocarbon, >> it's not that old, right? >> It's we've only been doing this type of. research for 100 years with some of the. new advancements. Like, you don't think.

something else is going to come along. that might knock that out, >> right? >> You don't want to leave room for that, >> right? >> Like, it's kind of dickish. It's very. [laughter] dickish, but you know, no. need to focus on the dicks. But that's. why things like Filipo Beyond's work is. so devastating to the to the narrative. because this new technology and if it. shows that it's accurate, and it is. accurate on things that we know exist. That's what where it gets really crazy, especially when they looked 1.2.

kilometers through a mountain to find. the particle collider underneath and got. the exact dimensions and a map of this. particle collider. wild, >> right? So, they know that it's accurate. And then then, so what are those. pillars? What are these 20 meter in in. diameter? What are these things? >> And why would you not want to divest all. the money you can possibly do to figure. that out? >> I think it'll happen. I um and I think. one of the reasons why it's going to. happen is because of the internet, is.

because the just the pressure and the. the amount of interest. And also, think. about Egypt, right? E Egypt, a a large. portion of their economy is wrapped. around the tourism. >> Yeah. >> Because the tourism in Egypt is. phenomenal. Cuz it's one of the most. incredible sites in the world. >> Wouldn't you want it to be even more. incredible? Like what's more incredible. than some unknown mystery of spectacular. proportion? >> Something that goes a kilometer deep.

under the pyramids. >> and they don't know what it is. [laughter]. >> Like this is nuts. Also, these those. shafts that go down that are filled with. debris now that they can clear out and. it leads to what at least this data. shows tunnels and caverns and all this. that's underneath there. Like what. is that? >> That's I I mean and and I think Ben has. done phenomenal work putting. >> He's incredible. I love that guy. >> The history and the story and the and. the accounts of being in these. labyrinths and.

>> and he's another guy that got into this. because of the internet, you know? I. mean, he had a real career in tech and. he was like, "Okay, I'm going to throw. this out to be a YouTuber.". >> All right. I I I was uh who was I forget. who I was speaking to, but I mean I. my goal is to document as much as. possible before it's not there to. document. And and I I I mean, it's crazy. to be on here in to my my channel is I. still feel like it's in it in in its. infancy. >> Well, I only found out about it a while.

I mean, I want to say four months ago, 5. months ago, something like that. You. know, I started seeing some of your. stuff online, I think on X, and I. started looking at it on YouTube and I. was like, yo, [laughter]. this guy's going deep. >> How did you fund all this stuff? I mean, how do you have the money to go and do. these things? >> I went broke the first expedition. This. was a total field of dreams. If you. build it, I'll see what happens.

[laughter]. and and fortunately I mean uh people saw. the work I had been doing up until that. point there there were some gofundme. donations which was amaz the the fact. that I mean just thank anybody out there. just thank you like the the people who. believe in what I'm doing like that's. what fills me up the most too like uh. the encouragement and the support from. from. >> from people I don't know you know and. and. >> well the content you provide though is.

so fascinating and it's so it's so. interesting to people like myself and. other people that are really interested. in it. It's just a matter of getting you. exposure. So the content is so amazing. It's just a matter of people have to. find out about it and then I mean. YouTube is a great what the algorithm on. YouTube is so good because it'll. recommend I'll watch one of your videos. and it'll recommend something else. interesting, you know, and then it just. keeps going on and on and on. >> Well, and uh so I came back from that. first expedition. I was there, the first.

expedition was 23 days. I had two. terabytes of footage. And it's funny, that footage lasted me a year and a half. until this expedition now. And I was out. on this last expedition for 42 days all. over the country. And I mean that the. video you were talking about when we. first started talking, that that is too the only there's no. drone footage of that site ever. There. is one Facebook post with pictures and. that's it. and and I was like, I have to.

document this, you know, uh and. so much from the last expedition is is. like that. It's the only. the only media that that you'll see of. it. And and. >> the fact that this these pyramids carved. into the bedrock that you're the only. one that has media that is just. absolutely insane. >> What are we looking at here? This. >> I'm just digging around the area. Uh. >> oh, yeah. >> This is a mummy lady cow they found in. 2006. They call her that she might have been.

the first female ruler of the area, the. Cleopatra of South America. She these. are pictures of her tattoos. >> Oh, whoa. So actually what's interesting. is um it is it is being there's a lot of. evidence to say that some of these early. early cultures were matriarchal because. they're they're finding a lot of the. tombs of um these queens right there on. right there on the coast. >> The sorcerer.

>> Yes. That this one pyramid in this area. called El Bruo where Haka Prieta is. >> Yep. >> They found this dope totem. >> Whoa. Um, [clears throat]. >> and so what's And so I believe this was. um the the I think the Moche um. >> El Bruo there are. >> these paintings are on the wall. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I I have I have a video on. >> that's cool too because you see paint so. you realize that these things were very. colorful naked prisoners.

>> and that this is a recreation of what it. would have looked like then. >> Those are prisoners. >> Yeah. >> Damn. >> So [snorts] the extra thing I thought. was cool here too. Why are they painting. their prisoners? That's weird. >> I mean, everything was painted though. >> This was where people. >> I mean, why are they making depictions. of their prisoners? You know what I. mean? Not that they painted it different. colors, which is kind of cool, but it's. interesting. Like, how old is this. supposed to be? >> Uh, anywhere from 3 That's a very. interesting part. 30,000 BC is what they. say it goes back to but they say it.

wasn't developed until uh modern day. like 200 to 600 AD which is it's a 3600. years of nothing. So it was I believe it. was the Moche. >> 1990 this one was found and a Peruvian. banker is the guy it says it's. philanthropic philanth philanthropically. minded I can say it. >> right and the the the Hateros are the. ones who told him about it. >> and so that's. a lot of these places have been found. because of um.

wetto being reported all of a sudden. there's an influx in a little village of. silver or something like that and and. somebody tells the authorities, they. figure out where they're going to dig. I. mean, there's a there's a good book on. it. It's the Lord of Sipan. Um, where. archaeologists literally had to like. stand guard, the town's people weren't. happy that when the archaeologists got. involved and the town's people were. coming to get the gold and coming to get. the silver and so there's a whole book. about it. I don't know why nobody's made.

a movie on it. >> That makes sense though, right? because. it's lifechanging. If they can find. hundreds of thousands of dollars worth. of gold and silver in the ground, >> y. these archaeologists. Well, and uh. some of the earliest a lot of the stuff. you'll see in the museums like the Larco. Herrera Museum and uh uh a lot of this. stuff all a lot of the pottery is. preserved because you had these big. plantation owners, these big, you know,

technocrats and their workers in the. field would constantly be finding this. this artwork and these these these wacas. and uh and so they were like, "You know. what? I'll give you $2 every time you. bring me me bring me one. And now we. have the Larco Herrera Museum, you know, full of this stuff. So, [snorts]. and there's I was talking to Dr. Ed. Barnhard about this. There's also. there's also so much in Peru that the. the people finding these things, they. aren't maybe nowadays they're making a.

lot on stuff, but for the past couple. decades, there just there was just so. much. You're getting $3 for. if you're a Peruvian worker in the field. moving this thing up the ladder. You're. getting $3 for a little piece of. pottery. [laughter]. >> How long have you been doing this for? >> I mean, what I've been with the channel, two years. >> That's it. >> Two years. Yeah. >> And what were you doing before that?

>> A video editor. >> And so you just said, you know what? I'm. going to just take a leap of faith. my. contract my I had a contract position. and it ended. Um it. I was posting these things I was finding. on Google Earth and I was saying like I. think this is something this is why I. came up with this whole methodology. and people were like you're full of. and and I was like you know what let's. see and I went and 100% accuracy every.

single place I saw on Google Earth that. did not have a label was an. archaeological site. Every single one I. went to. And that first expedition. >> there. >> I went to 90 in 23 days. Yeah. >> 90. >> That was the first expedition. I was. there for 42 days this time. >> Wow. >> So like I've got 5 terabytes worth of. video footage of things nobody's seen. >> That's crazy. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> But just I mean imagine again what if. you didn't do this.

>> That's what's nuts. That's what's nuts. It's like we would be completely. ignorant about this stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It just makes you wonder like what was. like like those stone pyramids carved at. the bedrock. The only you you have. footage of it. What was that culture? What were they doing? >> And and all I have to go off of is what. this. what made me happy is like. and I have it on on the video if I'm. talking to the camera. like I think. this, I think that, I think this card of. and that survey verified every little.

thing that I which was like pretty cool. because I'm I'm not, you know, academically trained to, you know, analyze these things, but I have the I. have the experience. Uh, and so it was. kind of neat that every bullet point was. verified by that survey. Um, the feeling. I got going to that place in that place. in particular, I don't think they're going to find. pottery there. I don't think they're. going to. I think it was pre-ceramic, but I also think there weren't houses. There weren't there there might be, you.

know, if you go digging or do do some. LAR. I think it was a place of pilgrimage. That's just my personal I have nothing. to back that up. That's what I felt. though. Kind of. pilgrimage. It kind of int like when I. was walking there. Um. [snorts]. I don't know man. Peru is weird. Peru. the the energy in Peru is different and. and so. >> in what way. [snorts]. >> I I I want to say spiritual because I.

don't have a different word for it. It's. just. >> you're just in tune with with something. I mean maybe it's just the nature. Maybe. But I mean I I feel I feel. different down there and especially. going on these far out places and when. you get to some of these sites like you. you you feel a little different. Um and. and so just the kind of the intuitive. impression I got was I wonder if people. were coming here as some sort of. pilgrimage because there I mean there.

aren't houses there. There's no evidence. of people living there. So I think. >> but is that because of time? >> That's very it's very possible. >> That's the problem when you're seeing. something that's the amount of work that. would take to carve something out of. bedrock like those py and how many of. those pyramids did you find? >> There were like 16 of them. 16. >> Okay. They're huge. >> Huge. >> They're carved out of the ground out of. rock with what? >> They're Here's the interesting thing. In. that survey, I didn't know this and I I.

tried to pinpoint the location. That. main pyramid I was on, there's a black. and white photo from 1970. where they found a carved out room in. that pyramid in that main py. There's a. and it looks like a room. It's been. human carved out. So there's chambers in. some of these things. Why aren't we. studying it? >> Right? >> Why haven't we gone back in. >> also? How like what are you using to.

>> right? Like what kind of tools do you. have? >> And 6,000 years like what what what. tools were available? >> It's so close to the ocean you might not. ever know because a tsunami comes and. it's taken it right back out. >> Right. Right. And if it's metal, it's. gone anyway. It's gone. Same with Same. with I think also. like I think that little al cove where. all the burials were. I think that got. got preserved because it was behind this. mountain. >> I think if there was any civilization.

there prior that might have been living. there um all the bones that were there. on they're gone, right? >> They got taken back out of course. So, >> and probably all the structures, any. houses, if they had wooden houses or. >> on top of the land. >> Yeah. Gone. Nothing left. >> And so, all you're left is with this. strong Who knows if those things were. bigger, too, you know? >> Right. Right. Who knows what was on top. of those things, right? >> Exactly. >> That's nuts, man. >> The thing that gave it away on that site.

in particular is when you look aerially, every single one of those pyramid. structures is facing northeast. Every. single one. And that's for the sunrise. on the solstice, >> right? >> And and I was like, "This is this is. man-made. This is man-made." And and. there's still people on the comments who. are like, "That's. >> Oh, that's just a mountain." And I'm. like, "Dude, what more do you want?". Like the way. >> they think that those things were just. >> Oh, yeah. >> Those They don't think those things are. man-made. >> Yeah, >> they're the same shape. >> Yeah, I know. >> They're the same shape, the same size.

They're all pointing in the same. direction. Shut the up. >> I've learned not to fight. It just like, you know, you're going to believe what. you want anyway. You know what I mean? >> [laughter]. >> It's the history. I mean, Graham Hancock. has the greatest phrase that we are a. species with amnesia. And I think it's. true. And I think it all points back to. not just the younger dest. You know, my friend John Reeves, he. lives in Alaska and he runs the. Boneyard. >> Yeah.

John just um sent me uh some photos of a. new site that they have that's under all. these other sites, like deep under all. these other sites where they're finding. not just bone but charred bone like an. entire area of like burnt tusks, burnt. bones covered. and he thinks there was. another impact. >> and you know just I mean he's just. making a rough estimation cuz the what.

some of the sites that he found it's. somewhere around 10,000 years ago due to. like you know doing the examination of. the cores and. >> he thinks it's 20,000 years ago. So he. thinks this is probably a normal thing. that has happened all throughout the. history of the earth is the earth gets. pelted you know every 10,000 every. 20,000 whatever you just get hit. >> and and that that speaks to the. >> the myths and the legends and the das. and the yugas and and uh I mean every.

civilization has its version of um you. know this is the fifth epoch or the. fourth epoch you know this is the first. one was fire The last one was, you know, water. There's always several cataclysms. in. >> the Yuga stuff is nuts, too, because it. just seems like it's so accurate. And we. are in Kali Yuga right now, which is the. age of deception. And like, what's more. confusing? That's what it's called, right? Isn't it called the age of. deception? Find out what.

So, what's more like if you thought that. it was all falling apart before it gets. rebuilt? Let's like that's now like this. place is crazy. Every day the news is nuts. I I've uh. gone on a social media hiatus over the. last few days and I feel so good and I I. decided two days ago I'm not going back. I'm like I'm not going back. I'll go. back to post things. I'm never reading. it anymore. I'll find my news. You know, people send me enough stuff as it is. My. friends send me things. I don't have to. click on them, but I know what's going.

on. Like what craziness is happening? >> You just feel better when you don't do. it. And. >> I've been sucked into the the the Nazca. mummies thing sucked me into the back. and forth on on X and I and. >> toxic. It's so toxic, man. So toxic. And. and it's like at the end of the day, people are going. >> look, you can have all the evidence. saying this one thing and everybody. agrees. You're going to have this group. that is like, well, no, for this reason,

and then and it's the same thing on the. other side, too. And so it's just this. this um. >> I [snorts]. social media is this we what I'm what. I'm saying is just this weird loop of. confirmation bias and. >> and bitchiness and anger [laughter] and. arguments and infighting and attacks and. I just think that it's altering the. collective psychological. foundation of our society. I agree with. you. >> And that's what's weird and that's what. makes sense when you see like crazy.

protests and crazy people online. It's. like everyone's getting there's. something that's happening to them. Well, what's this one thing that exists. with everybody? It's social media use. >> Yep. And [sighs]. and I think I I don't know like I I've. it's it's it's hard. I tried to stay. away and then I found myself like last. week after I made like these videos just. just for the social media sphere as an.

example like I was getting pulled into. it. I felt myself as somebody who has. not engaged that much. I I was like. something has shifted you know and like. I was ready to. >> get defensive and and and and take. things personally and I'm like this is. >> and attack. >> and attack back and I was like this is. just continuing the cycle and I don't. want that. I don't want that in my life. I don't need any of that. So, I just. stopped, you know, and and but the level. of defensiveness, the level of attacks,

the level of And it's not even at some. points, it's not even just taking things. personally. The attacks are personal. sometimes. [laughter] Yeah. It's like. what are you supposed to do other than. not engage? >> Yeah, you can't engage. I say post and. ghost. That's my strategy. I like it. >> That's my strategy. And then even then, I'm telling people to stay off of it so. they're not even going to read my stuff. like [laughter] they're listening to me, but that's okay. It's okay. It's like. you find out enough. You find out about. the important things and find out about. shows that you enjoy and then you.

subscribe and then when new episodes. come out, you're like, "Oo." Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, [laughter] and so that's what. I've been doing. And it's it's a much. healthier way. Like um the one thing. that doesn't and Jelly Roll was telling. me this like you know he got off all. sort he had no phone for like 18 months. No phone at all. Wow. >> It was crazy. Yeah. Like I'd contact him. through his guy that was running his. social media. >> and tell Jelly I love him. Tell him I. said what's up and then um recently he. got a phone like over the last few.

months and only uses YouTube. He's like. my YouTube he goes I learn things I get. interested in things like and that's how. I feel too like I really enjoy YouTube. I I there's so much in interesting. content on YouTube about everything. I. mean, it's just like. >> we're living in I mean, this is a an. incredible age where. I mean, I feel fortunate for what what. I'm doing that there there's an audience. for it, you know, and and there's a. platform [snorts] that can allow that to. have have some reach because some stuff.

deserves the reach. >> Well, what you're doing is very. important. It's very important. Just the. fact that you are the first guy to get. media of that those structures, that's. crazy, man. I mean, it's really kind of. crazy. You're a video editor. Two years. ago, you decided to do this. You're the. first guy who's documenting these things. and then we're showing millions of. people right now. Kind of nuts. Like, how few people know that there was some. kind of a complex society that. understood the equinoxes, pointing their.

structure toward it, and not just. building them with mud and bricks, but. carving it out of the bedrock in a a. similar shape. >> over and over and over again. Yep. >> And that's just what you found. Like. imagine how much hasn't been found. >> Dude, you just look at the aerial stuff. and. >> I mean Joe, I can't this just that's. just the tip of the iceberg, man. Like. of the of the content that. >> I mean, I'm going to places in the.

middle of the desert and seeing an adobe. wall peek out at this one little. section. And then I put the drone in the. air and you can see the outline of this. whole structure. Just a little bump in. the sand. >> and no one even knows it's there. >> No one even knows it's there. >> What happened to all those people? That's what's nuts, >> dude. That's the That's the like when I. say cradle of civilization. I mean, this. was I I whatever is bigger than a. cradle. >> Well, [laughter] that's what makes. sense, right? Because if you think about.

the ice age and if all this stuff is pre. ice age or during the ice age, that area. is not covered in ice. And it's one of. the few areas around the equator that's. not up. And this one of the few. areas where people can thrive. So it. really makes sense that that would be. the area where civilization would not. just thrive but reach very high levels. of sophistication where they're able to. carve into the bedrock these massive. pyramid structures. >> There is interesting evidence that um I. forgot I was watching it was on like.

Discovery or Nio or something but. there's evidence in in like the Okukah. desert. I mean, they're finding another. dark trafficking uh illegal trafficking. web is like the the sale of fossils. because they're finding whales in the. Okukah desert. And. >> brings me to I was waiting to find a. good point for this. They found that. [snorts] they were using whale vertebrae. as stools. [laughter]. >> So, they found this giant. >> Dude, I want those for my bar. >> Dude, that's awesome. In 2023, they found what could be dubbed.

the most heaviest or the heaviest animal. ever. >> Whoa. >> Yeah, I've been in touch with that guy's. nephew. >> Colossal blue whale found outside of. Peru. >> 200. >> each vertebrae weighs 220 lb. >> Yeah. The whole thing with the ones they. found 200 tons. And so, like, as you were just saying, if they're not buried under tons of ice, then these people could in theory have. found, you know, lots of these giant. >> holy.

>> Something else I'm stumbling across and. I didn't get into it. Blue blue whale. poop is apparently got some something. interesting to it. >> What's the deal with blue whale poop? >> That's why I didn't really get into how. do you go on these deep dives in the. middle of a podcast, Jamie? You're a. wizard, dude. You. >> start seeing stuff [snorts] like the. Whoa. having a poop by neon green. >> I'm just imagining these giant 200 ton. >> poops. >> Poops. And then what you could I don't. know. It's red. >> Oh god. What are these people doing with.

poop? >> They also think that they could have. been eating in a different way. They. just uh sweeping up shrimp and from. the ocean. >> Right. I'm just like picturing what this. looked like, you know, in the year zero. where there's a bunch of giant whale. bones all over the coast and who knows. what other octopus or whatever the. else. >> And what happens to that poop when it. fossilizes, you know? But no, they're. finding that they're f I mean, there's a. a dark web of trafficking for looking. for stuff in the Okukah desert where.

there where all these prehistoric animal. bones are. They found dinosaurs and. stuff there, too. Again, it's is it just. wealthy people that want it for their. homes? Is that what it is? >> Uh the stuff I've seen it's I mean. really that guy and a few other people. just kind of going out there illegally. looking for stuff. >> But it has to be valuable for them to be. willing to do this, right? So who's. buying it? >> Wealthy oligarchs. I don't. >> Where are these people? I never. met one of them that has some stuff like. that.

>> I want to go over someone's house like, "Hey, you want to see some. >> You got a whole museum right there.". [laughter]. That's probably how you wind up on a. list. >> But I mean that's uh. there's still there's still so much out. there. And I mean if I. just like some some of the structures I. was talking about like you literally see. a whole adobe wall, you see a whole. temple complex. You see the remnants of. a circular plaza. Um, I mean there's. there's another uh. if you go to the undocumented temple on.

this on the spreadsheet, this is undocumented. No Ministry of. Culture sign. It's not on the Ministry. of Cultures database of archaeological. sites. >> How'd you find it. >> using Google Earth? Wow. And so here's. the thing. All right. So, circling back, we had that Norte Chico culture with the. sunken plazas way down here. We have. this. >> pause. Go ahead. So that well that's. that's what I saw on Google Earth. >> No, go ahead. Continue what you just. said. >> So So you have the Coral Supoupe culture.

down here and then you have the they. found that sunken plaza underneath. archaeological sites in Chasma way up. here. So you have these two different. and they're saying they were separate. cultures. I think they were the same. >> How far apart are they? >> 200 kilometers or miles, I forget. Uh, so what I was like I was like, well, is. there a connection between these two? So. I looked in the valleys in between and I. found this with a sunken a temple with a.

sunken circular plaza. So you have them. >> found [clears throat] it on Google. Earth. >> Yeah. And then and then I went and I. needed help from one of the guys in the. field to point and that this a lot of. the people in these PBLO like they'll. know every now and then you'll get lucky. and someone knows the history. every now. and then. More often than not, it's. yeah, there's some ruins right over. there and that's it. That's the extent. that's the extent of their knowledge. Um, and so that that was one of these. occasions where the guy was like, if you.

just go this way and that way and I. because I was looking for it. I was I. had a pin on my map, but I was getting. lost. So I go and I find this place and. lo and behold, it's a sunken circular. plaza temple structure. I go up on top. There's pottery there. You can see where. the W where the WO have dug things out. There's walls and it's just unexavated. Nobody surveyed it. There's no. documentation of it. It's just there. >> Wow. [laughter]. >> Can I see it?

>> So that's what I saw. Um. >> this is what you saw on Google Earth. >> Yeah. >> Okay. And so you're just looking in. between these two areas. >> Oh, and it's also facing northnortheast. too. That also told me um that it was. probably something. >> Okay. And then you see this this you. find on Google. >> That's that's right next to it. >> And then you went. >> and then I went. >> what are you renting a car? How the. are you doing this? >> Yeah. >> What happens you bring these cars back? They're like where?

>> Yeah. [laughter]. >> I have some pictures of driving out in. the desert, man. Like. >> Okay. So this guy's helping you. Is this. a guy a local? Yeah, he was just working. in the field there. >> Okay, so these are the fields. and he tells you where this stuff is so. all the locals know where the stuff is. >> And then pretty soon I [snorts] start. walking up to it. and this is completely undocumented. >> and it's you can see the plaza there. >> Mhm.

>> Um it's all rubble. So some something. happened some some earthquake or so I'm. walking up to the top of it and then uh. >> so right now it just looks like rubble. It doesn't even look like it was a. building. >> right. >> from the ground at least. >> Exact and and half so many places I'm. like standing right in the middle of the. right in the middle of a site I don't. even know until I put the drone in the. air. >> Oh. >> I think it's coming up here. You'll see. a uh.

say. should should come up here shortly. I f. there you go. >> Okay. >> So. >> clearly. >> underneath all of that is rooms, >> right? So you see the bricks, a. >> piece of pottery some of the walk arrows. took out. But that was that was evidence to me. that so underneath this whole thing are. walls and chambers. Wow. And rooms.

>> and you just found this on Google Earth. >> And it's the same style as that Corral. Supoupe culture, the early one from, you. know, 3,000 to 4,000 years ago. It's. just it's just so hard to believe that. this is unexplored. and not just that undocumented and that. you just find it on Google. Thank God. for Shout out to Google Earth. [laughter]. >> You know, Google Earth deserves some. props. >> I mean, seriously. Yeah. Oh, >> I mean, who would have ever thought?

>> People asked if I used like advanced. satellite stuff and I've only used. Google Earth so far. >> Look at this. Clearly some sort of a. civilization was there that just got. obliterated. >> So this was weird. I I don't know. Like. that was just a cactus in the middle of. it all. It was very strange. >> I don't I don't tough. >> I still don't know what to make of that. >> They can grow anywhere. That's what's. weird about. But it is weird. There's. only one. >> Yeah. In the middle of it.

>> Yeah. >> But so there's pottery there. And. >> I was wondering if it was the sand. There was one more cactus like directly. aligned with it. Um, >> are there San Pedro cactus down there? >> Yeah. Yeah. So, these people were. probably doing something something with. the old psychedelic cactus. >> I've got a place to show you. >> cuz San Pedro Cactus is where you get. masculine, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Makes sense that if they have these.

temples and they have if there's a. pilgrimage, there's probably some sort. of a psychedelic ritual involved. Look at this, man. What does it feel. like to just find something that no one. even knew existed like this? It's got to. be a trip. Like, thank God I was right. [laughter]. Spent 14 hours getting to this place. like like thank God there was something. Um. >> but there have been times too where I'll.

I'll get there and it's the sat Google. Earth hasn't updated itself and there's. a plantation planted over some of it, you know, and it's like. >> do you ask the people like what used to. be here? >> Um if there's people around. I mean. sometimes uh like I said it's it's. you can tell you can kind of tell when. it's corporate. the infrastructure in. the area is different. But but that's. the other thing. There's there's nobody. monitoring this. I And I was like,

what's the solution? Do you pay somebody. to call the Ministry of Culture when. somebody's coming in with bulldozers. leveling things? >> And what would they even do? They're. probably the people with the bulldozers. just pay them off. >> Either pay them off or dude at at that. corral site, Ruth Shady, the archa, she. was shot by land traffickers. the. archaeologist responsible for discover. land traffickers were trying to take. over the site and she was shot. She was. killed. She wasn't killed. She was shot. Uh and I mean she's as recent as a few.

years ago is like we're still not. getting protections from them. They sent. us one security guard to patrol the. perimeter. These land traffickers man. like and and it's for agriculture. It's. for agriculture. It's not for loot. Looting is a happy byproduct for them. It's for the agriculture. >> Squatterers issued death threats to. archaeologists who discovered oldest. city in Americas. >> This is the oldest city in the Americas. and you're getting one rented cop. >> Wow.

They called the site's lawyers and said. that if he continued to protect me, they. would kill him along with me and bury us. 5 m below the ground. And she's 73. They. killed our dog as a warning. Oh god. They actually when I think it was there. was because because when they excavate. they do it in seasons and stuff and. there was one season where like land. traffickers had started [snorts]. building on part of the site and and in. in the offseason from digging so they.

had to deal with all of that. I mean. it's it's crazy. It's like the wild west. man. >> Wow. Um any other sites to show us that. are. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I mean, dude, there's. >> I know we could go on forever, but. [laughter]. >> uh, if you look at uh, Shaveen, uh, C H. A, it's on the, uh, just on the media. hard drive. So, we're talking about. underground structures and hallucinogens. and stuff like that. This place, Shaveen, >> so, >> no, this is a known archaeological site.

>> And how old is this place? >> Uh, I think 2000, right around zero. Look how far down it goes. >> How deep does it go? This is nuts, >> right? >> And this is just one part of it. >> Whoa. And this is 2,000 years old at. least. >> At least. >> So, [sighs] they wouldn't they won't let. you film in the other section. It kind. of looks like this. Um, but. >> why won't they let you film there?

>> Because there's something called the. Lanzon monolith. And if you look that. up, Jamie, uh, L A N Z O N Monolith. So. that's it. So they won't let you film in there. because too many people go in there and. take pictures and the Flash supposedly. >> So they just Yeah, dude. But when I went. in there, the security guard was right. behind me the whole time. He he he knew. I was going to try to take a picture.

Yeah, but you could take a picture with. no flash now. Especially with like the. new iPhones and Samsung phones, you. could take some really high resolution. photos. >> The guard said not enough people know. how to turn it off on their phone. >> Oh boy. >> So, but when you walk in Flash is. it up. That seems crazy. That. seems like voodoo, >> doesn't it? >> Doesn't it does that mean. >> it could do it to paint and stuff, but. >> come on. There's no paint on that. thing. >> Crazy. And and it's behind a piece of. plexiglass, too. That sounds like. they're just control freaks. Like.

off, dude. >> Yeah, they make a reason for sure just. to tell people. >> But so so here's the whole thing about. this place. You saw how deep we went. underground. >> It's in a comparable place with these. hallways and and and Joe, I like. completely stone cold sober. >> That's what it looks like. >> As soon as I walked in underground, something hits you. So it it's. the air is different. So I dude, I don't. know. I don't know how to describe it. It's. >> And how'd you feel?

[sighs and gasps]. >> Lighter and a little messed up in the. head, man. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Do you think there's a lack of oxygen? >> It's possible. >> cuz it seems like you're deep deep deep. underground. Probably limited oxygen. because you get these caverns and it's. got a hole to the top. I mean, I. honestly I I wonder if it's built on. some sort of I don't like the like the. Greek sacred energy or deli with the. gases or something like that. I I don't. know.

>> Getting gassed in there. >> I All I know is that when you when you. go in, >> show me that that totem again, that. monolith. What [snorts] they found is um. they found evidence of rituals happening. there like plates with uh with. hallucinogenic. plants or substances. So people were. going down there to do these rituals. >> and do this space. I mean if you're. going to go on a trip, >> that's the place to do it, right? >> Like that's. >> it's it's just you're you're in an. enclosed space. The acoustics are so.

weird. It's. >> it's trippy, man. What is that uh image. on that thing? >> It said. >> it's a jaguar. >> There's a there's a whole bunch of. imagery here. That's like the fanged. So, for a while they thought they. thought this culture, the shave culture. was responsible for the the onset of. religion in Peru. The shave, they called. it the mother culture for decades. And you see this fanged deity, Dr. Barnhard talks about it a lot, this.

jaguar looking deity. um they thought it. came from there, but there's actually. places that I went to where you see it. on the coast for older. So, it actually. kind of flips that whole, it's not the. mother culture. Um, but their influence. and their reach was extreme throughout. the throughout the Andian world. So, they were responsible for that's when. like religion took and iconography got a. major influx right after shave culture. They're they had it before, but not like.

this. Um, so that's what's that's what's. on that statue. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> And so it's just so ridiculous. They. won't let you take a picture because of. the flash. That's so good. Somebody. should talk to them and go, "Man, man, shut the up. That flash doesn't do. anything." Devotees would be led into. the maze of pitch black tunnels, eventually coming face to face with the. sculpture. The worshipper worshippers. disorientation in addition to the. hallucinogenic effects of the San Pedro. cactus they were given before entering.

only heightened the visual and. psychological impact of the sculpture. >> I mean that's. God people are weird. >> They must have had it lit up with fire. or some sweet. >> Yeah, >> dude. It it was it [clears throat]. >> just going in there stone cold sober and. feeling affected. I can only imagine. what it was like being on San Pedro. doing. >> Is that the weirdest place that you've. been to in Peru? >> Um, Sakai Huan seems to me to be the the.

most bizarre because just the size of. the stones. >> Oh, yeah. I mean, >> like how. how. >> I mean how? >> I don't know, [laughter] man. >> What are you guys doing? How'd you do. this? How'd you figure out to make them. interlocking in a way that if there's a. seismic impact, they stay put? >> How? >> And and how'd you get them there? >> How do they look like marshmallow? I. mean, I like. >> Why are they like Looks like they're. melted. >> I've gone on some deep dives. It's funny.

on that. >> Yeah, look at that. man. The big. ones on the bottom. Like, how? >> And it's the style of them, too, which. is so different where, as you said, it. looks like marshmallows. They're melted. into place almost. Like look at that one. big one in the center. What the hell is. that? How big is that? >> I I forget. But they go up to 200 tons. I think. >> that's got to be bigger than 200 tons. Don't you think? >> Probably. I don't [clears throat]. >> Look how small those people are. And.

those people in the foreground. Get. those people right up next to that. thing. >> They'd be tiny. Well, maybe it is 200. I. don't know. But either way, nuts. That one up there. you know how rounded these things are. and you can't get a piece of paper. The. only way they've been dislodged is. because of earthquakes. I mean. >> like it's. >> Bro, look at the size of that and look. at the way they interlock. >> You can tell when you get up close. there's there is this reddish residue.

Oh, all right. We can uh there's so much. [laughter]. uh you can see there the there's often. reddish reddish residue like. >> so they were painted at one point in. time. >> No. Uh I think it was. >> Clay. >> in the SP. the indigenous people will tell you that. and actually Percy Faucet wrote about it. in his journals too like this this bird. that would take a leaf a red leaf and. peck it into the rock and after a little. bit of time it would create a hole in.

the rock like it would help kind of melt. the stone. Actually the guy from the. video el um that unregistered megalithic. site told me the same story. Uh. >> okay I know what you're talking about. There's a specific type of plant that. has like an acid to it, >> an acid. Uh, and. I've started to I I I like Dr. Barnhart's theory. Um, and there's also. a paper on it, a peer-reviewed paper by. helmet tribute where he talks about, look, if you mix if you mix pyite from.

the offshoot of one of these incan mines. with this with this plantish material, you can create like an acid that will. slightly deform the stone. >> So maybe you would set the stones in. place that way. Secrets to s of softened. stone, the lost techniques of the ink. from Facebook. So you know it's true. >> No, no, no. But f [laughter] George LRA. was um I I did a whole some of my early. videos, man, are like research papers. Like I went I went on a deep dive with.

all this. >> and the Spanish chronicers talk about. seeing gold in between uh some of the. stones. But this guy also helmet tribut wrote. the paper says what if it wasn't gold? What if it was pyite fusing the stones. helping to fuse the stones together with. this paste? >> Look what it says there. says the. technique to carve and st shape the. stones remains a mystery. According to. legends, the gods would have gifted the. Incas two magical plants. Coke, so cocoa.

leaves, which allowed them to withstand. pain and physical exhaustion, and. another plant that allowed them to. soften stones. Soften stones. >> But you see that red residue. >> That also makes sense. They have they. did so much work. They're all coked up. [laughter]. >> I got. >> making these dope pyramids. When I was a. kid, this woman. >> a picture I clicked on, but that didn't. pop up. >> Oh, that can't be real. >> No, that's um I've seen that. That's. [clears throat] uh an art artistic. creation.

If you pull up uh. let's. If Do you want to stay on Cusco or go to. one other place? >> It's up to you, dog. Whatever you want. to do. >> Let's Let's go to uh Tunnels Cusco, >> dude. This whole This whole part of the. Andes. Yeah, it's um. >> there's tunnels everywhere, man. Like. it's not just what they're doing. So, you're climbing down into this. tunnel. Now, is this a naturally formed?

>> Some of it. >> Some of it. Okay. On the way out, you'll. see when I going there's steps. Those. were actual steps that were built. >> But these things, dude, I you can't get. to the the end. You can't find pe There. there stories where kids get lost in. these things and never found. >> Oh So again, these look like. natural caves, >> right? Some of them have been carved. out. >> So it's a combination of things. >> It's a combination.

>> So probably there was some natural caves. and then they started carving things. out. >> Well, the whole thing the whole thing. about it was. >> this gets weird. So this is the steps. >> Yeah. Coming up on on the right. I mean it just it just keeps going on. Oh, I'm not going in there. >> There's the step. There's the steps. >> Jamie, can you imagine you and me. outside the door going? Uh-uh. You. >> go [laughter] first. You go. I'll follow. you. >> That's how my catch guide was, man. He. was just filming me. you, bro. I'm not going in there.

>> I was like, I'll go in. >> There's probably [laughter] demons in. there. That's like that movie. What was. that movie? The Descent. >> The Descent, dude. That was like the. Dude, I love that. >> That movie is great. >> I watched it a while ago. I was like. 2005. That's wild. >> It's old movie. Yeah, they did a. Descent, too. It's not as good. >> Yeah. This is the. >> It's not It's not the best, but this is. Descent one was awesome. >> Yeah. One of the best horror flicks I've. seen. >> And there's another one. Huh? Oh, that hole. >> Did you go in there? Please tell me what. there. Oh,

>> of course I did, Joe. Of course I. [laughter]. >> Well, with your Pillars of the Past shirt on. Oh my god, dude. I don't even think I. would fit in that hole. >> I got a little scared cuz coming out. wasn't wasn't easy. I was just reading. about this guy who died in one of those. holes. A guy was a a cave crawler and he. got stuck trying to get out. He got in. head first and then could not get out. >> and just was just stuck. >> Died there, >> dude. Like that. Like that. [laughter]. >> Couldn't even scream cuz his chest was.

compressed. >> Oh god. Yeah. I mean, there's some stuff. I've done. I'm not going to do it. >> Go like this, >> you know, and just couldn't There's no. way to get back out. >> That's terrifying. >> That's terrifying. >> You know how that never happens? You. don't go. >> You don't go [laughter]. >> You don't go in there. You never dive in. a cave. You never dive in a cave. >> I'll take that into consideration, man. [laughter]. >> All right. Before we wrap this up, anything else you want to show us? >> Uh, all right. One more site. Uh, >> okay. >> Uh, Chiseri the C H I S.

>> Which one? There's four videos. >> Oh. Uh, let's just do the drone footage. and then inside tombs. So, this place it. I had no idea places like this. It's. just me and my guide. He's dude, the. people I met on this just by happen. stance. He's he's the president of the. community there, the little compassino. And took 12 hours out of his day to walk. me through this place. [clears throat]. That's cool. That's another build it and they will.

come thing, right? >> It really is. >> Yeah. You just go out there and you'll. find the right people or they kill your. dog. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So this this like I I. >> Oh, the paint's still on it. >> It's actually not paint. It's it's it's. mud. It's different colored mud. That's. what he said. >> So now we're going to go now in that in. that next video. Uh we're going to walk. up to them. [clears throat].

>> Whoa. Skulls. >> The sky people. >> Do you know? >> No. It it uh the Chacha Poyas the Chacha. Poyas were much further north. >> You see that skull skull? You see that. skull, right? >> This is in the Cusco region. >> Wow. What the dude? >> Yeah, man. >> Why are all these dead people in that. hole? Whoa. What's going on in there? >> These were the where they would bury.

their deceased. >> They just chuck them in a hole. >> No, no, they were they weren't like. that. They were. So this is all just. >> This is looting. This is all looting. That road. skulls are everywhere. This is. crazy. >> It's wild, man. >> This is like a horror movie. This is. like the beginning of a horror movie. before it gets dark out, >> right? The guys, these archaeologists, it's probably you. [laughter] You're out. there in the movie. You bring a girl. with you. >> Have to leave this place before the sun. goes down. >> 100,000%. [laughter].

>> Bro, you're going to hear voices. You're. going to hear a dead languages yelling. >> No camping in the No camping in the. valley. >> Oh, you'd have to be a gangster to. take a nap in there. [snorts]. >> Ghost hunters should definitely go. there. >> Oh, yeah. I get Sam and Colby to go down. there. They I bet they won't do it. That's real ghost. >> This is all from looting. >> Wow. So, they just dug these people up. >> Stole whatever. Yeah, that's a spine. >> Yeah. man. God, there's so many.

bones. That's nuts. >> It's crazy, man. >> That's nuts. >> Well, Ro, I'm happy. I'm so happy that. you made that decision a couple years. ago to just follow this passion and uh. the content that you put out is really. incredible. And the fact you've been. able to find these sites that are here. to for undocumented, it's it's really. amazing, man. It's it's amazing. I'm. happy you're doing it. And uh I really. enjoyed having you on. And uh for.

everybody who wants to watch, it's. Pillars of the Past. It's on YouTube. Um. do you put videos up on X as well? >> I do. I I've started putting videos up. on X and um you know, my website's going. to be up and running soon. It's going to. be a place if you know, if you find. places and want to put it on a map and. you know, if Jamie wants to comment on. it, then he can comment on the pin you. put. I'm trying to build something. because people send me stuff all the. time, >> right? Have some sort of a thriving. community of people that are interested. in the same thing. >> Absolutely. Well, there's a there's an.

interest for this stuff now. I I really. credit Graham Graham Hancock, I think, because he was the real pioneer of this. when people just thought he was a loon. I remember people would make fun of me. for reading his book in the late 90s. They'd make fun of me. Like, where are. you reading this from? Why. don't you go to a real history class? Like, >> that's not fun. >> No, this [laughter] is fun. This is fun. It's fun to think that we don't know. what happened, but that something. happened. >> And Graham puts in the work. I mean I. mean you just look at the citation.

section he's put he puts in the work. >> of course. Yeah. He's an amazing human. you know which is why they have to lie. to discredit him. But, you know, when. when he put that material out and then I. think the Netflix show really started. started opening up the gates to people. exploring this stuff more and just being. fascinated by and then seeking out. content like yours and. >> you know and there's that we're really. fortunate now there's quite a few really. good shows that are on YouTube that.

document this kind of stuff and it's. these are real mysteries. it. There's. real mysteries when it comes to human. history and uh in my to me it's one of. the most fascinating things. >> I agree with you. >> I I love it. So I thank you so much for. doing what you do and uh get out there. again and let's come back and do another. one of these. >> And I I would be happy to and uh. >> hey just just a few plugs uh for uh I'll. be speaking at a because of all this.

which is just amazing. I'm I still feel. like everything's in its infancy. So, I'm I'm humbled by the opportunities. that keep presenting themselves, but. like the Quest for Ancient Civilizations. Conference um in Sedona and then it's. actually going to be. >> of course it's in Sedona, >> but it's going to be here in Austin, too. >> Course it's here, too. [laughter]. >> And uh. >> two kooky places. >> ACL live I think is Yeah. So, uh it's an. amazing venue that's going to be in. October. Uh and then. >> I'm doing a tour with Mike Collins from. Wandering Wolf in the Yucatan and with. Hugh Newman. We're doing a.

>> Let me ask you about that. What do you. think about that sage wall? Cuz he's the. guy that goes over the sage wall. You. think it's a natural formation? >> I think it's more likely more like. the way I operate is. I'm I I tend to remain skeptical. I I would like multiple pieces of. evidence. >> There's also similar things nearby that. aren't as spectacular that are natural. Right. >> I believe so. Yes. >> In the Yeah. there's something about the. geology of the area.

>> and and I found places like that in in. Peru as well. I mean, I'm waiting for. they've done LAR studies of of that. stuff. Um, for me, just to have one one. wall I need I I personally need more. than more than just that. Um, >> and I mean I found some stuff like that. in Peru and I'm very hesitant to say. this is megalithic architecture. >> Needs more study. For people that are. interested in, just to let you know, there's a lot of AI images online, and. when you go to look for the sage wall,

sometimes you're confronted with ones. like, "Oh my god, that for sure is. man-made, but then it's not a real. image. Someone's created an image or. doctorred the image to make it look a. little bit more man-made.". >> I will say, I Mike Collins has done a. ton of work on it. So, if you want to. like see the original footage, it's on. his channel. >> Very, very interesting foot. I mean, I. go back and forth. >> Yeah. I mean that's. >> depending upon how old it is. So that's. the thing like if you're talking about. something that's 30,000 years old maybe. that's all that's left.

>> I forget he was saying [snorts]. >> they found that it goes a lot deeper. than it something like that. So it's. like for me more interesting. >> which makes it more interesting and I'm. like I just I I. >> like keep like let let's see keep. figuring it out. >> in Texas too that I haven't found a good. answer for called. >> I've heard of that. Yeah. >> 200 to 400,000y old wall. Well, that's I. think a guy in 1925 claimed that and. probably just got people to pay. attention and come visit. But. >> that [clears throat] I don't I don't. have a good answer that I've come across. on what it is or how old it is.

>> Go to that one below to the right of. your cursor. >> right here. >> To the right of it. Right there. Yeah. Look at that. [snorts]. >> Huh. >> I will say though, >> that could be uh natural formation. >> there. I mean, the earth the earth does. a lot of weird things, you know. [laughter]. >> That's not that's not convincing to me. I It's just interesting. >> No. Can I put put it back up again, though? I But I'm I'm aware of it. I'm. just like I'm looking at that. Extraterrestrial. Shut the up. [laughter] Extraterrestrials do a way. better job.

They might have built the pyramids. They. didn't build this. out of here. It. was shitty [laughter]. cobblestones. Yeah. >> Yeah. Got non-union guys came in. I'll. do the job for cheap. >> Well, they they got their laser beams. like All right. >> Oh, wait a minute. That looks real. >> I think that's the guy found when they. found it. Oh, that looks like a wall. >> But this also I've seen four versions of. this picture and one's in color. >> Dude, it's so hard nowadays to like you. got to put in some work to find the. truth. >> Yeah, that was that's that is weird.

But that doesn't look real. >> Yeah, >> that looks like it's just the strata. Well, but it's not consistent all the. way through. What the do I know? >> Again, I don't even know what we're. [snorts] looking at. >> Who knows? >> That's That's here in Texas, right? >> Yes. Yeah. Maybe we'll go one day. Uh, Pillars of the Past YouTube. Awesome. Thank you. Really appreciate you. [music] There was a lot of fun today. I. really enjoyed it. Appreciate it. All. right. Bye, everybody.

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