Joe Rogan Experience #2447 - Mike Benz

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> All right. What a day to have you in here, buddy. >> Kid in a candy shop. We hacked the. government. We hacked the government's. files, evident. I mean, this is We have. three and a half million files that it. feels like we should not have. It would. have been great to have had seven years.

ago in 2019 when this was being. litigated, but it's an incredible moment. of transparency for how the world works, how governments interact with the. private sector and funds, and it's just. really cool to be a part of it. >> What was the holdup? What was the. because it seemed like there was a lot. of people that did not want these files. released. >> Yeah, I thought about this a lot. What we have access to now are internal. documents from the Justice Department.

and the FBI that are normally even. though they're not classified, they are. part of a criminal investigation and so. they're not normally disclosable to the. public. Um, it could be the case that it. kind of required a congressional bill to. force this out. Like when you if if. there's a internal investigation and. it's not a part of a court document. that's entered into evidence, you can't just foyer the Justice. Department to get dirt on your political.

enemies because you think that they. might be involved in something. Now, I don't know if it could have been. done through an executive order around. Epstein transparency around the time of. the first binders. Certainly, it looked. like there was friction between the. president and Thomas Massie over this. issue. Um, but I don't I don't know the. details of what went down there, but the. fact is the bill passed 427 to1 in the. House. >> Who's the one?

My recollection is that it was Randy. Fine, but I might be wrong on that. So, I don't want to smear. >> There was one person or imply anything. unduly. >> They didn't want it released because. they thought it would compromise the. victims, right? >> Uh, >> at one point in time at least. >> Yeah. I. I don't know what the what the. rationale, you know, is. And because I. don't recall off hand who the one is, uh. I don't want to lean on that too much,

but uh the fact is is nobody wanted to. be on the other side of this. I can't. think of anything that both Republicans. and Democrats voted on 427 to1 and oh. sorry, Klay Higgins, sorry, apologies to. Randy. Fine. Uh yeah. So. um there was the. I mean there was obviously friction. because this implicates everybody. Republicans and Democrats uh Americans. and a dozen different foreign countries.

uh heads of major hedge funds and. multinational corporations donors to all. political parties major university and. science institutions. Uh I mean. almost every major player in world. affairs was. in some way. either either involved in or adjacent to. this network or the network tried to.

reach out to them because they were. influential. And so, you know, there was. kind of a mutually assured destruction. around the Epstein hot potato for a. decade now, which is that, you know, out. of power, the Republicans said, "Oh, the. Democrats are don't want to disclose. this because of the Clintons." And then. the Trump administration gets into power. and there's a very slow, you know, reaction to the kind of disclosures that.

culminated in what happened this week. And so you had the Democrats saying, "Oh, they're not disclosing it because. of, you know, Trump world and his. associates." Meanwhile, they controlled. the Justice Department and the FBI for. four years and didn't release any. Uh, so, you know, it it took a moment like. this. And what's what's really. interesting about it is this bill only. compelled the disclosure this law that. passed in Congress only compelled the.

disclosure of. Justice Department originated files. Justice Department by extension FBI is. the investigative arm of the Justice. Department. It does not compel CIA. originated files. And uh one of the coolest moments of. transparency we had last year in 2025. was when Tulsi Gabbard as the you know. ODNI as the head of director of C of. national intelligence in charge of the. whole intelligence community spearheaded.

the uh JFK files release and we got. basically fully unredacted. documents. Now, I know there's contest. over how complete they are, but the fact. is is it was hundreds of thousands of. files that had never been seen before or. unredacted versions of documents that. had been fully or partially redacted for. decades. The only reason that we have. JFK JFK files at all is because in 1992, Congress passed a bill to force the CIA.

to start turning over documents. The. law, I believe, was called the JFK. Records Collection Act. And it forced by law the uh the CIA to. establish this independent. presidential assassination review board. that would review documents for. declassification and compel uh you know. on the basis of that independent body. given all of the intelligence intrigue. around Epstein and the fact that it is.

in my view physically impossible over. Epstein's 40-year career career in. intelligence adjacent work that there. was that there's not Epstein files that. are CIA originated and we actually. you know I I saw this in the files that. were just released Jeffrey Epstein. himself twice foyed that's the Freedom. of Information Act.

uh which which is a law that I think. came around in 1966 which allows any US. citizen and to ask any government agency. for all public records that it has about. anything. There are certain things that. get blocked in that this is there were a. lot of foyer fights about co uh you know. Fouchy famously there's this exchange. where um you know one of the folks in. Fouchy world says that uh they learned. cool tricks from the foyer lady about.

how to get around requests but the fact. is you can foyer the CIA for records. uh. because it that foyer forces the CIA to. give you declassified. or unclassified records and if it's. classified it'll issue a glowar. >> we cannot confirm or deny the you know. and the existence or non-existence of. you know classified information. >> Can we before we get any further the JFK. stuff I never heard anything about it. I.

mean I know the files came out but there. was no big revelations. There was no was. was there anything that came out of that. that was significant? >> I thought it was huge. I I learned a. >> I guess people. are looking at the JFK files. Most. people are looking at it for clues as to. who killed JFK. And I know that there. are many researchers who specialize in. the JFK assassination. um that have sharpened their theories I.

suppose on the basis of it in a useful. way for for whatever it's worth. Uh for. me I. you know was never expecting to see a. CIA document saying uh you know I James. Jesus Angleton authorized the. assassination of of uh president of the. United States. Uh but the fact is is. what it revealed were all of these. tangential and ancillary documents that.

showed the structure of intelligence. work at a very fine and detailed level. The kind of revelations that really only. come around once in a generation. There's a there's a video online by. Michael Paranti who's a CIA. whistleblower around the time of the. Iran Contra hearings in the 1980s. and he says pay attention to these. hearings. This may be the last time for. another 20, 30, 40 years that you ever. get an inside look at the at the.

detailed. minutia of a covert operation because. all this was being blasted on a. congressional jumbotron with hearings. and formal congressional investigations. and public testimony. And. there's I sort of look at the JFK files. released like that. We got a very. detailed look at everything that was. happening around effectively operation. mongoose. Uh the because.

>> can you refresh my memory? What was. mongoose again? >> Yeah. So, so we h so there was operation. mongoose and operation condor which were. which were related to the. nominally what you'll read is that they. were related to the attempts by the CIA. to for Mongoose for example to uh. destabilize the government of Cuba in. order to induce a regime change but. because those efforts proved. unsuccessful they regionalized the. conflict to uh do countercommunism work.

effectively. uh throughout all of Latin America, the. Caribbean, South America, and uh. Operation Condor was effectively a kind. of counter counterinsurgency strategy to. stop the rise of left-wing Marxist. groups who were trying to throw off the. yoke of American imperialism, so to. speak, as they put it. And so you had a. a massive CIA operation to try to tilt.

the internal politics of. basically every country south of the. border. And we got incredibly just deta. I'll give you an example of one. declassified document that's really. wild. Uh there there's one document that. uh is a CIA file with instructions to uh. delete all physical copies of the. document at the end that describes how.

the agency had internally authorized an. attempt to assassinate, you know, Castro by working through. the Meer Lansky syndicate and hiring two. hitmen. uh that were in Miami and then had but. had contacts with the Cuban exile. community liaison within Cuba. And so. this was a this was a formal agency file.

that described how a CIA case officer. made contact with people from the mob. organized crime uh with offers of pay. payoffs with very detailed logistics. You can find this I did a whole video on. it on my the like ex subscriber thing. I'll I'll you know uh put it on the top. of my social media. But the but it also. describes a really interesting.

Jeffrey Epstein like. uh figure Robert Mayhew was a CIA asset. the J the JFK files. They describe how they got uh they. sponsored a a movie. to simulate I believe it was the. president of Indonesia. uh having an affair with a blonde woman. They filmed a.

basically like a porno that would uh and. create and to create a tape. And they. had very they describe how they set up. the the room to make it look like it was. I think in in the presidential palace or. some hotel room that was would have been. in in uh in that country in order to. create what's effectively a sexual. blackmail tape that could then be uh. leaked to the press in order to.

discredit the president. And you know, you look at these in formal agency files. and on the one hand you go, okay, that. was the 1960s. That was the that was the. early 1960s. That was before there was. any oversight on the CIA at all. It. wasn't until the Church Committee. hearings in 1975, 1976 that we even had. congressional oversight of the CIA. There was no Senate Intelligence. Committee. There was no House. Intelligence Committee at the time. And.

at that point, assassinations had not. been outlawed. I mean, the CI was. allowed to assassinate people. There. there's since been a ban on that. So, you go, okay, that's 60 years ago. Uh, but the fact is they did it. The fact is. is that is within the array of options. that folks in covert operations saw as. on the table. >> Working with the mob. >> Working with the mob. Now, but that goes. back a long time. I I found it totally. unsurprising. It's one of these things.

It's just kind of the general theme. It's shocked but not surprised. You. know, it's like, "Holy crap, they they. put this in writing. What are we doing here, guys?". But you're like, "But I'm not surprised. they did it because I know they were. doing all these other things." The fact. is is the CIA was working with the mob. before there was a CIA. before it was done by the CIA, uh work. with, for example, the the Italian mob.

was was done through the Department of. War in the n really starting in the. 1930s. and then especially in the 1940s because. they were the central intelligence. agency. Well, at the time it was the OSS. in the 1940s, but it would become the. CIA. the one of their main logistical. points of contact and allies for the. resistance against Mussolini in Italy. Mussolini was cracking down both on the.

Vatican church and on the Italian mafia. And so, uh, there were strange bed. fellas. There's a great book on this by. Paul Williams. I think it was published. in 2017. It's called Operation Gladadio, the CIA, the Vatican, and the mob. And. it's I I recommend this book to everyone. because it's a really really detailed. academic. deep dive on this nexus between a. religious institution, an intelligence.

agency, uh an illegal organized crime syndicate. that does all manner of black ops. And. it especially focuses on the funding. relationship. In fact, this just came. out and this sort of gets to the utility. of these documents. There's an. incredible. document that just was released this. week where Larry Summers, who was the. head of the US Treasury, so not only was.

he the head of Harvard University and. the and the head of the American money. system, um, but he he says to he's trying to explain. to Jeffrey Epstein kind of the the. politics of what's happening in the. Vatican. And what he says to him is that. what's what's actually most important. going on right now is what's happening. with the Vatican bank, which is kind of. the uh the deep politics of the Vatican. And you know, I saw this email and I.

just, you know, laughed and did a. little, you know, twirly thing in my in. my chair because it's it's totally. unsurprising if you read, you know, that. book Operation Gladadio that I that I. mentioned, it it traces 80 years of this because. the the Vatican Bank was the first. offshore bank before offshore banking. even existed. It was util there was an alliance with. the Vatican bank during World War II.

itself with our department of war and. with organized crime outfits at least. according to the evidence that I find. persuasive in this book and that uh. appears to be validated by Italian court. documents in the 1990s when all this was. litigated. Incidentally that was when. the mob was really prosecuted for the. first time. But effectively what happened was is you. had strange bedfellows. You had the. United States who wanted to get rid of. Mussolini. You had the Vatican who. wanted to get rid of Mussolini. And you. had organized crime who wanted to get. rid of Mussolini. And because organized.

crime is very deep in the logistics and. unions. They control the ports, they. control the the streets, they control. safe houses. Um, and if they have allies. in a bank, they are able to launder. money effectively in order to do black. market, you know, type trade. And if you have for example the support. of the US government to facilitate that.

that and there's protection offered to. those organized crime groups what what. you end up having having is effectively. state sponsored a a state sponsored. mafia with an untouchable bank. And at. the time the vat because and Larry. Summers explains this to to Jeffrey. Epstein in very simple terms which is. which is yeah here you go the most. important change in the Vatican may not. be Pope Benedict son retirement but.

change in leadership of the Institute. for Works of Religion the bank the. Vatican's bank because the Vatican's. status as a sovereign country it's. exempt from transparency rules of not. only Italy but of the European Union. This status allows its elite clients to. evade any scrutiny in their money. transfers. Last May, Vatican Bank. president was fired after Italian. authorities opened an investigation into. a far-flung bri bribery scheme. and he. goes through this, but what's what's. important here is the British when we. think of offshore banking now, it's it's. usually associated with.

>> Cayman Islands, >> Cayman Islands, you know, Jersey, man, uh, Panama, uh, you know, but well, Panama is sort of a different story, but. it it's usually associated with these. kind of small island countries that are. formerly, you know, kind of their own. territory, their own sort of sovereign. territory. You also see this within the. United States in. Indian Native American reservations with. these kind of autonomous zones that can. be shielded from certain kinds of um you.

know public disclosures that a typical. finance institution. >> that's going on with Native American. banks. >> Well, yeah. This this was actually part. of. >> is that connected to the casinos because. they have a lot of money from the. casinos. >> Yeah. Super Bowl 60 deserves a sports. book built for the moment. DraftKings. Sportsbook, an official sports betting. partner of Super Bowl 60, puts you right. in the center of the biggest game of the. year. Anything can happen during the. Super Bowl, and DraftKings has your back. with early exit. If your player goes.

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Contra scandal of the 1980s where you. had basically the NSA and then the US. government uh running money laundering. effectively through you know casinos on. uh on Native American sovereign. territory. But the fact is is in the. 1940s, the Vatican Bank was really the. only game in town. This traces back at. the CIA level to a lawyer named Paul Hel. who was kind of the the architect of of.

money laundering for for the CIA. And it. it didn't even start in well really. started with the the attempt to try to. stop Mao in the 1930s and 1940s. Um there was there were the opium wars. in the 1830s where. effectively the British Empire. and you know the East India trading. company were making ungodly amounts of.

money by selling opium to China. They. would grow the opium on the golden. crescent or India and then they would. sell it to China with a huge customer. base which would bring in huge amounts. of revenues to the British crown. Uh and. then there were two opium wars that were. fought in the 1830s. and 50s I believe around then or and the. opium wars were China's attempt to stop. the import of opium into China because.

it had a huge by that point uh opium. addiction problem. Opium dens in China. were a massive issue within the country. They tried to ban it and the British. crown pried open the narcotics market. through a military conquest of parts of. China. That's how Britain got control of. Hong Kong, which remains a major narco. narot trafficking site connected to. Jeffrey Epstein in very weird ways. I'll. just sidebar that. Uh but Mao rose to.

power to re you know uh in the name of. his public campaign was about rejecting. the century of humiliation between the. 1830s and the 1930s to support Shanghai. uh and the Quuoman Tang the Chinese. nationalists against the Chinese. communists. The war department couldn't. get enough congressional allocations. taxpayer money to support that. So they. had to find some way to finance the. forces that are now effectively Taiwan. because when they ultimately lost they. fled to the island of Formosa which is.

now Taiwan. But they they financed that. initially, the war department, the the. Chinese nationalists through the. narcotics trade through the basically. the narcotics cultivated in the Golden. Triangle. And these operations continued. in Cambodia and Laos and were a big part. of the JFK. expansion of of covert operations to. this day in Fort Bragg. The you know the. special operations training center is. called the JFK.

This was a massive expansion of small. wars, covert action instead of big. military action. So it was mostly. spearheaded by CIA rather than DoD or. Department of War. But what happened was. is Paul Hawwell in in order to. be able to traffic illegal narcotics. created a bunch of these CIA banking. structures. One's called Castle Bank and. Trust uh in the Cayman Islands. Another. one hand in Australia. Uh and when you.

have that, you know, friendly bank. that's protected, then you can move. drugs. This is this overworld underworld. alliance between intelligence and. organized crime because basically every. intelligence operation. is is a I don't want to say every, but. at the operational level, it's a crime. It's an act of uh sabotage. It's an act. of subversion. It's an act of.

obstruction. It's an act of illegal. surveillance. So, uh, in order to do a. illegal crime, uh, you don't want to do it yourself. because then your fingerprints are on. the gun. But if you know people who do. illegal crimes for a living in an. organized way and have experience in. doing it, that allows you to be a very. useful extension and it gets justified. in the name of national security. The. illegal narcotics trade set up by Paul.

Hawwell, who would go on to be the main. lawyer for Disney and set up Disney. World in Orlando. You can look all this. up. You can pull up Paul Hawwell's. Wikipedia or you can look at the history. of Disney or you can pull up Castle Bank. and Trust. You can put any one of these. up on screen. This is all fully. declassified. Uh and so they then took. that model to South South America and. Latin America and the Caribbean during. Operation Condor, Operation Mongoose.

And this is part of what gave r gave. rise to the Iran Contra that spawned. Jeffrey Epstein, which was the CIA got. busted running a the same thing it did. in in 1940s China, which was a drugs for. cash for guns operation. You cultivate, you can't get enough money in USAD. You. know, in the 1940s, USAD didn't even. exist. You You can't get enough money from US. taxpayer dollars. You can't get enough.

money from private donors who will draft. off of the regime change for their own. profit. So, how do you get how do you. get your resistance rebels enough money? It's that usually comes down to black. market trade, whether that's diamonds in. Africa, whether that's illegal mining. activities in South America, or whether. that's narcotics. And it's the the best. things to use for this kind of covert. financing are small fungeable physical.

materials that can be converted into. large sums of cash. Uh you know, for. example, like a truck full of cocaine. can fund an army. Uh you know, a truck. full of copper can't. And so you had. this state sanctioned drug trade, this. state sanctioned illegal weapons. logistics apparatus, and the state. sanctioned money laundering apparatus. that started in the 1940s.

and was utilized throughout the entirety. of of the cold war. the on on the mafia. side in the night. operation gladadio was this stay behind. network is what they what they said. basically these were um right-wing. groups many or some of which uh were. kind of Nazi adjacent who hated. communism and so even though we fought. against the Nazis in Mussolini and. Hitler in World War II there was a.

utility to. preserving a certain homegrown domestic. network that really hated communism to. assist us on the ground in the war. against communism. And what you saw was. in Operation Gladadio, this was a. NATOwide. covert. network uh alliance of networks, a. network of networks that in basically. every one of the NATO countries there.

was a cell or a number of cluster cells. that were set up in order to covertly. influence the domestic politics of the. country. And if you look at the members. of these cluster cells, there's some of. the, you know, like Sylvio Berlescone was a. part of the the so-called P2 lounge uh. that was that came up in the operation. gladiopiles when the Italian government. uh basically put put all this on trial. in the 1990s. And that structure is. still used by intelligence today. If if.

you go to my X feed and you look up uh. for example. Annapplebomb and the thread that I did. on the integrity initiative, if you just. put integrity initiative and I can I can. show you what these cluster cells look. like. Uh and it's it's a it's. fascinating to look at the. organizational structure of it. But I. guess what I'm what I'm getting to here. is with. with the mob and the Vatican at the at. that time that was the only game in town.

for offshore banking if you wanted to. have a bank that had no oversight. whatsoever. When the British lost the. Suez Canal in 1957. and basically had to give up their. empire, this is during. decolonialization. the the British Empire transitioned from. a physical empire to a financial empire. and moved heavily into offshore banking. That's how you got these kind of you. know BVI British Virgin Islands Cayman. Islands you know Jersey man all these.

kind of British offshore banking hubs. and with London as the capital of. international finance you you the. British Empire was was effectively able. to maintain a comparable level of. imperial vassal state control without. having physical troops or or physical. territorial control. And so the Vatican. Bank has lost a lot of its um rank, I. would say, in the international finance. system since the 1940s because the.

market's so saturated now with offshore. banking hubs. But that explains what's. happening in this Larry Summers Jeffrey. Epstein exchange. One of the weirder things about these. files is there's some stuff in there. that you go, okay, one thing that we. know happens is when something is true, a bunch of stuff gets attached to it. that's both not true and also. preposterous that allows you to sort of.

dismiss all of it together. There's a. lot of people thought about that with. Pizzagate and there's some stuff that I. saw online that was like George W. Bush. was like involved in ritual sacrifice or. you know things things along those lines. like killing babies and eating people. and wild [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> What do you think that stuff is? >> I don't know. I I don't. >> Do you think it really occurs? >> What I'll say is.

this is a bad week to be a total. pizzagate deniialist. you had you you. would feel a lot more comfortable about. it a week ago than you would this week. I don't particularly. focus or I don't want to say care. I. don't I don't my knowledge set on it is. a lot more limited on it because I don't. think it's a central crux of um.

political influence. Uh, I don't know if. it's kind of almost a inside joke in a. certain way. Jeffrey Epstein himself in. these emails is unbelievably trolly. You. know, he'll he'll say things that are. the kind of, you know, [ __ ] posts you, you say to a buddy or your, you know, your brother or something that uh, you. don't mean, you know, it's tongue cheek. But you if if you were a cynical out to.

get you person who somehow obtained that. text message, you'd say, "Oh, look, he. said it." And so, so there's a lot of. that going on. But the fact is is I have. seen some I've seen a lot of images. shared uh around the time period of when. Pizzagate was popping off in 2016 that. all I'll say is it doesn't it doesn't. look good or easily explainable. At the.

same time, a lot of those screenshots I. have not, you know, for for most of. these for the things I've posted about. or that I'm talking about here, I've. gone to the Justice Department file. I've looked up the file number. confirmed whether or not the screenshot. is actually what it is. For those I have. not yet. Uh but I I would not. I wouldn't feel totally confident saying. there's no there there. But that's. that's about as far as as I can go on. that. >> When you say images, what are you.

talking about? >> Well, there's a lot of you know, if you. look up pizza, for example, it's just as. a keyword search, you'll see or cheese. or something. Um, it looks like, you know, in the in the. DOJ. database for these new files, uh, you'll. see a lot of things of people talking. about pizza in a way that. >> it seems like a code. >> It's kind of impossible to. >> to imagine. >> to do to a pizza. That's about Okay.

>> You know what I mean? Uh but I don't to. me there's so much real world provable. things in there and also so many kind of. more real world implications. of allegations that are made in the. files that kind of. uh you know should be explained. Uh, like a common mistake that I see going. around on social media this week is.

people, it kind of gets the reason that. the FBI. and the president was arguing that these. files shouldn't be released in the first. place, which is that people would take. things out of context and wildly uh, you. know, and think things are true that are. not because they're baseless allegations. made by, you know, some anonymous. tipster and but because it's in an FBI. file, people will think it's true. Now, I don't think that's a reason not to. release these. I'm extremely glad these. were released. What I'm saying is is I've seen that. phenomenon, you know, run away and and.

some of this I know is. kind of uh baseless in terms of the. factual evidence because some of the. people. one of the confidential human sources. for example that is cited you know the. first day of the drop there was this. kind of bombshell claim uh in the I. think this is probably the most viral. post the first day of the DOJ release. which was a confidential human source.

CHS means of FBI informant. uh who the FBI internal memo describes. how this confidential human source. reported that Alan Dersitz was a MSAD. agent and after every meeting he goes. back and tells his FB his MSAD handlers. you know what what they talked about and. you go oh my god it's an FBI. confidential human source the FBI. wouldn't you know pay an informant.

unless they found them credible for this. sort of thing. On the very next page of. the files, it says President Trump, I'm. paraphrasing, you can pull this up if. you if you want. Um, you know, President. Trump is controlled by the government of. Israel and they have I forget if he says. they have blackmail or something to this. effect. Now, I don't know whether either. of those things are true or not. I don't. know what you know any more than anybody. else who's done research on this. Certainly there's a lot of overlap. between Duritz and the Israeli.

government and high level Israeli. officials. So in that sense if that were. to be reported I don't know that it. would be the. who knows about whether that's true or. not. It's but it plays into a kind of. confirmation bias that a lot of people. have. And so when you see that in an FBI. file the first thing your instinct is if. you're you know if that's your. journalism beat is to is to write all. about it and get millions of views. And. same thing, there's a MAGA civil war. right now that's happening over issues. around Israel. It's, you know, you say,

"Oh my god, it's been proven. The FBI. knows that." Well, uh, Ken Silva, who's. a journalist, shortly after that. published, uh, a tweet containing a file. that had much less engagement where he. said, "Actually, I I actually have a. copy of this document." Again, I'm. paraphrasing here. Uh where it matches. that document file number. It's got the. same text and it looks like the that.

confidential human source is Chuck. Johnson. Now, I saw that and I went, "Oh. my god." Because one morning I woke up. to a text from that very person saying, "This is about 2 years ago. I'd never. met him, never talked to him, don't have. his number. Somehow he got mine and. messaged me on Signal to turn myself in. because I'm going to prison. He then.

proceeded to look up um my exwife and. make allegations that I was a MSAD agent. because she was a uh she was a a. prostitute from a from a foreign country. and involved in all these, you know, MSAD black ops type things. Now, he. didn't get the name right. He found a a. different person with a similar spelling. that uh you know was I guess busted for.

prostitution or something and then makes. these giant claims on social media that. uh you know I had been like married to a. foreign spy prostitute or something. Then he goes on to message someone he. thinks is my donor and threaten them to. cut off funds because if he doesn't then. I've made the intelligence community. very angry and they have deputized him.

to tell the person he thought was my. donor that the intelligence services of. the United States of America will crush. the businesses of someone he thought was. my donor if he doesn't cut off the funs. he thought that person was giving to me. Okay, this is that confidential human. source or at least according to the. reporting of of Ken Silva. uh. that the level of things that are untrue. about that uh.

combined with the fact that this very. person is going around. uh saying that not he's not just an FBI. informant but that he actually can. direct the intelligence agencies of the. United States to crush someone's private. practice if they don't change the you. know. discretionary. donations. to someone like that's the person you're. saying.

that person's. uh you know comments to a FBI. officer or you know uh task force prove. these claims about Duritz and Trump. I mean that's that's ridiculous. I I. know firsthand that there's zero. credibility to those claims. Now, they. may be true or not, but the fact is is, you know, there's there's a lot of. context to to all of these.

What is just because it's said in an FBI. file does not make it true. We learned. that lesson in Russia gate. We learned. that lesson with the steel dossier. Uh. but you know that I think that same sort. of caution and prudence should be. applied with these uh and I think. ultimately the truth wins out on these. things. It just you know takes longer. than you might want to. It's so. tangled. You know, the whole thing is.

just I think everybody who looks at it. realizes this is a rabbit hole that just. goes to the center of the earth and. there's so many people involved in that. What do you Here's here's the big. question that people ask. If there was a. Jeffrey Epstein and it seems like all. these things he was involved in, is. there a Jeffrey Epstein right now that. we don't know about? >> There's a million of them. >> A million of I mean this is why this is. why I I find the con this you know this. is not the core of what I focus on. Um.

but I find it re a really interesting. field of study because it helps. understand so many other US government. institutions and the relationship. between government and private business. Jeffrey Epstein is. part of a class of what are effectively. professional fixers. And this is this is a a kind of class of. professional who sits.

not really within a particular. government or private sector institution. but in the kind of sticky layer between. them that connects them all. And. I would say that for example people like. Mark Rich, Bruce Rapaort, uh and I can. go through all these figures and who. they are. Robert Mayhew and these types. um are just good case studies in how the. intelligence world the business. community uh you know uses like let's.

take an example of Bruce Rapaort and and. this is a you can pull up on screen if. uh if you want there's a great article I. think it's called uh I think it's from. 1988 or 1991 it's called uh intrigue in. high places, oil pipeline, Iraq, uh, and then just Bruce Rapaort, it's RA. P. Yeah, here you go. Uh, pipeline deal.

intrigue in high places. And I I'll. describe what what happens here in a. second. In fact, there's a great YouTube. video on this as well. Uh if you look up. uh Bruce just on on YouTube uh Bruce. Rapaort 1988 there's a great kind of. couple minute summary of all this but. effectively what happened was. and let me start this by just Jeffrey. Epstein got to Bear Sterns in 1966.

I'm sorry 1976. and then worked there until 1980. Sorry, just because you have on screen. maybe. >> may maybe maybe I'll go through this. first and then I'll do the Jeff because. the Jeffrey Epstein connections. So what. happened here was you had the Iran Iraq. war from 1980 to 1988. and Henry Kissinger had a really great. quote about this because he asked what. is the US government strategy on this. because it's very convoluted. and you know why are we why are we. giving.

weapons to Iran when the Iranian. revolution just happened in 1979. that. you know overthrew what was a US. governmentfriendly. government that was partially installed. by the CIA in 1953. We're we've now declared an. international arms embargo on them. You. know, we're we're basically at war with. the Ayatollah. Why are we why are we. giving them weapons and helping them uh. you know, defeat Iraq? And you know, the.

issue was is we were also in a kind of. uh. war over regional hedgeimonyy and oil. with with Iraq. And so Henry Kissinger's quote was, "I. my only wish is that both sides would. lose, could lose." And so what happened. was is because we didn't want Iraq to. take over Iran and become effectively. bigger than Saudi Arabia in the region, we were we were funding the and and.

giving weapons to Iran to try to fend. off the much bigger Iraqi army. And then. at at a certain point in this uh we we. began to back Iraq. We went back and. forth supporting Iran Iraq. And so the. this Iraq because of the embargos on it. wanted to build a pipeline to get its. oil out and it was going to pass through. Jordan and it was going to abut against. the border of Israel. and a major.

CIA contractor and CIA connected private. business called Becttel. Highly highly. influential. company. Uh there's been many many many. books written on Becttel. Some of uh and. Becttel is alive and well today. If. there was a saga for example around the. Stanford internet observatory if around. the censorship industrial complex when I. when I visited the Stanford internet. observatory and I went to the courtyard.

courtyard is sponsored by Becttel. It's. I think it's called the Becttel. courtyard. Uh and but but what happened. was is. the. Becktel was promised by Iraq a billion. dollar contract in in 198 you know 80s. money for constructing this pipeline. and the Central Intelligence Agency and. the White House National Security. Council both for geostrategic reasons. wanted this pipeline built. The problem.

was is they were afraid the Israeli. government was going to sabotage the. pipeline because Iraq was. very hostile to Israel and there was a. lot of tension between the Iraqi. government and the Israeli government. and they were afraid that if Becttel got. this contract and built this pipeline. that Israel would some s you know these. pipelines are very fragile and all it. because it passes close to it it's very. possible that that would that would.

happen. It would destroy both the CIA's. goal and the private profiteer Becktel's. goal. So, how do you solve that problem? Well, what what the CIA did is. what the what the National Security. Council, which is the inter agency that. the CIA reports to, did is they engaged. a private fixer named Bruce Rapaort, who. was a Swiss billionaire with close ties. to the Israeli government to back. channel with the Israeli government,

some sort of secret agreement that would. guarantee. that they would not sabotage the. pipeline and because the attorney. general of the United States now again. think about this as well as I'm saying. this think about Jeffrey Epstein and. think about the character of Bill Barr. for example who started his career for. seven years at the CIA was highly. involved in the CI's Iran Contra and. then was attorney general. both in the 1990s during the Epstein.

connected BCCI scandal and the you know. when Jeffrey Epstein killed himself or. or whatever happened to him. What so. what what happens is is is. Bruce Rapaort does indeed use his. contacts with the Israeli government to. uh strike an agreement that then allows. uh the pro would allow the project to be. green lit. But it triggers a special. prosecutor's investigation of the.

attorney general himself, Ed Me, because. he one of his friends. was alleged to be in on the deal. So. they they argued that effectively there. were that they that through Bruce. Rapaort, the attorney general, was. striking a secret agreement with Israel. to profit himself. uh a massive conflict of interest. And what what ended up happening is. Bruce Rapaort Rapaort stepped forward.

and said, "No, no, no. It wasn't to. profit the the terms weren't to profit. the friend. It was the the terms we. secretly reached with Israel is that. they were going to get like a 30% cut on. the revenue of the pipeline and that's. what secured the buyin." But the fact is. is Bruce Rapaort was not. uh. this. Now the other part of this is that. the National Security Council told the. basically the overseas development arm. of of the US government, former US.

government agency. to uh to put American taxpayer funds to. help subsidize the pipeline that the. Becttel pipeline. and that government agency did not want. to put up something like $400 million of. taxpayer funds on it because they. thought Bruce Rapaort was a very shady. Epstein-like figure who had all sorts of. sorted, you know, details about his own.

past. So that government agency queried the. CIA for all records about Bruce Rapaort. and the CIA gave them a limited hangout. They said, "Oh, you know, we only have a. few documents that are responsive to it. and no red flags." As it turned out, what the special prosecutor compelled. from the CIA is that they they had a. whole dirty dossier on Bruce Rapaort. And if they had given that to to the US. government agency, there wouldn't there. couldn't have been support for the.

pipeline. Now, after all this scandal, the pipeline ended up not being built. But the the point is is here you have a. the same type of person as Jeffrey. Epstein, the same regions and countries. that are, you know, involved in a. significant part of the Epstein saga. You have the same structure of the. intelligence community, private. businesses and, you know, back channel. deals with government officials. But. because uh.

there was no 2011 file on Bruce Rapaort, he was not formerly a CIA asset. He was. he was what you know what's called a a. liaison, a a contact, a facilitator, a. friend of the station. Doesn't work for. the CI. He's got his own hedge fund. He's got his own, you know, basically. finance. You know, he'll invest in. commodities or foreign exchange or. private portfolio companies. But sometimes he'll work with the CIA,

sometimes he won't. Depends on whether. it's good for him. And in this case, he thought it was good. for him to to take this. Who knows what. cut he himself got on it. But the fact. is is. here here you have the same type of oper. you have every layer of this from the. justice department to the CIA to the. private financeers to the to the private. companies to real world geopolitical. action and this appears in in my view of.

it to be exactly the model that Jeffrey. Epstein uh himself replicated and and. was on parallel track with for his whole. career. career, you know, he's and and I. can I can get into that, but but does. that make sense in terms of like the. this type of figure exists in basically. in every country, in every industry? Uh, and you know, they're not all as. prominent as Epstein, but I would argue. people like Mark Rich and at the time.

Bruce Rapaort kind of were. They don't. all have, you know, these child sex. trafficking type things. This is the. thing is like what he was connected. with. It makes me wonder like if he. didn't have that sick thing where he. liked underage girls like if he'd never. gotten arrested which was what 2008 or. something. What when did he initially. get arrested? >> Uh 2006 but but he he was the plea deal.

was 2008. Yeah. So, if that hadn't. happened, like if you just got a guy. who's getting of age prostitutes, we probably never hear about this. >> Yeah. And this episode is brought to you by. Squarespace. To level up your business, you got to level up your website. And. Squarespace does the heavy lifting for. you. Even I use it to power my website. Joe Rogan.com is powered by Squarespace. Squarespace gives you everything you.

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entire career. Uh he was under SEC. investigation. at Bayer Sterns in 1980 when he was uh. involved in a deal I think it was St. Joe's Mineral Company which is um owned. by serums which is you know owned by the. the Bronin family. uh he he got in trouble with the SEC at. that time. He then as soon as he got in. trouble, he left Beer Sterns and went. out on his own, but then worked. effectively at Beer Sterns off the book.

for the next decade according to his own. testimony. He had a continuous. relationship with Beer Sterns for, you. know, I think he said 31 years. It was. basically from the moment, you know, from from the 1970s, 1976 until 2007208 when Beer Sterns. collapsed while Jeffrey Epste was in. jail. Um, but then Jeffrey Epstein in it. appears to me almost impossible that.

Jeffrey Epste was not working on BCCI. pipeline deals while he was at Beer. Sterns. BC Bear Sterns was one of the. was one of the three biggest. uh clearing houses for for BCCI. transactions. BCCI is the Bank of Credit. and Commerce International. Sometimes. people call it the Bank of Crooks and. Criminals International. Uh it's it's. it's a incredible saga of CIA banking. gone wrong. It's it's a bank that was. started in Pakistan in 1972.

and then grew to be the CIA's main way. to covertly back the mujaheden against. the the Russians during the cold war. So, we backed Osama bin Laden, the CIA. We backed the uh you know Islamic. mujaheden, the the radicals who became. al-Qaeda and ISIS. uh with billions of dollars of CIA and.

MI6 and Israeli and Saudi facilitated. um you know co-support and financial uh. funds uh in order to do a cold war. operation just like we talked about with. Strange Bed Fellows. uh you know get uh. backing right-wing organized crime to. stop left-wing communism. We did the. same thing in Afghanistan. uh through you know these the Pakistan.

Afghanistan border to run covertly run. guns to the mujaheden. In fact you can. there's a great YouTube video that I. always like to play so that you can see. it for yourself. Uh it's it's really. short. You can look up 1979 Zabnu. Brazinski dropping out of a helicopter. to tell the mujahedin that uh both God. and the United States government is on. their side. And the reason this clip I I.

always think is so fun to play is. because this was the very moment in 1979. that Jeffrey Epstein appears to have. been uh involved in the BCCI financing. of this very operation. So if you if you. turn the volume up and you start at the. beginning. >> America's road. US national security adviser Bjinski. flew to Pakistan to set about rallying. resistance. He wanted to arm the. mujahedin without revealing America's. role. on the Afghan border near the Kaiba.

pass. He urged the soldiers of God to. redouble their efforts. >> We know of their deep belief in God and. we are confident that their struggle. will succeed. You know, that land over there is yours. You'll go back to it one day because. your fight will prevail and you'll have. your homes and your mosques back again. because your cause is right and God is.

on your side. >> Now, that is. that is the National Security Adviser of. the United States of America. The. national security adviser is the highest. post in the cabinet. It is the person. the president talks to every day. All. intelligence, war, military and statecraftraft goes. through the national security adviser. that is the numero uno. And he personally in 1979, you know, this didn't come out until years later,

but we were covertly doing this. So to. do a covert operation, and this is why I. focus on the money side of Epstein from. the 1970s to present because. the money in any covert operation is the. most essential part. It's the only thing. that is irreplaceable and that if you. don't have it, everything goes away. You. lose one person, find another one. Uh. you uh you know, you lose one. uh you know, logistics hub can create.

another one with money. You lose money, you lose everything. You lose your. ability to pay your informants. You lose. your ability to bribe government. officials. You lose your ability to uh. you know win the support of local. institutions. You we lost Vietnam. not really so much because we lost you. know to at the the kinetic war level but. because we lost the ability to fund it. because it got defunded. So we we. literally couldn't do it anymore.

And the there's another great clip just. to show how sophisticated CI. moneyaundering was even by the 1960s. Sorry, I'll I'll stop doing this after, you know, running around clip to clip. after this or I'll I'll chill on it. But. if you if you go to my exount, you can. also find this on YouTube. Um there's a. great I believe it was CBS uh in in the. 1960s. It's called in the pay uh I think. it's called in the pay of the CIA or in. the uh it's but if you type in CI. moneyaundering you'll see this this.

great clip about how sophisticated CI. moneyaundering was already by the 1950s. and60s. and the. that because everything the CIA does has. to be laundered. It's a spy agency. If. it writes a check, if it doesn't conceal. the origins of the money, gigs up. So. everything that is CIA has to move. through some sort of moneyaundering.

mechanism. Well, you know, to to kind of I guess. uh borrow a phrase from from the. president, somebody's doing the. moneyaundering. You need a you need outside contacts who. do not work at the agency or necessarily. for the agency to facilitate that. moneyaundering. and that was done through for example. the Pakistanis with the BCCI as well as.

contacts in in London. That is what I. believe Jeffrey Epstein was doing his. entire career after that. From Towers. Financial to his tenure with Lesie. Wexner uh to kind of the way I think. that he helped model the Clinton. Foundation itself with the Clintons in. the early 2000s uh and his expertise in. that I think is is what made him useful. really not. Well, it's more the the. connections of I guess uh you know.

donors and billionaires around him that. made him the most useful. But the fact. is is he specialized when he went out on. his own formally. He leaves Bear Sterns. in 1981 and starts a one-man group. called Intercontinental Assets Group out. of his New York City apartment. He's not. even 30 years old. right away he gets. big level clients like Adnan Kosigible. who is the uh at the time was alleged to. be the world's richest man. He was the. Saudi arms dealer and to give an.

impression of how significant this. figure was in the uh weapons trade. He. was he he earned more in commissions. from Loheed Martin uh Boeing and I think. one of the other big military. contractors than every other commissions. agent in the entire world combined. That's why you know there were rumors. that he was the world's richest man. He. in fact we actually had legislation. passed because of how influential he.

was. He was the one who in 1983. uh flew to the National Security Council. to the White House um to. orchestrate the Iran Contra affair. He. was the Saudi middleman. uh that. was part of this operation where the. United States uh used the Saudi. middleman Adnan Kosigible to uh run guns. to Israeli contacts to smuggle into Iran.

to fight off the Iraqis. I know it's a. bit of a long sequence, but effectively. you can think of it as United States and. Israel with Saudi Arabia in the middle. Now, Adnan Kosigible was one of the. major clients of the CIA's BCCI Bank, and he was the host of the CIA's. offshore operation that was created in. 1976 called the Safari Club. Uh, in in.

1975, 1976 when the CIA started getting. handcuffs put on it with the Church. Committee hearings. Jeffrey Epstein starts his career at. Beer Sterns in 1976, the very moment of. the biggest shakeup of the CIA in CIA. history. At at that moment, the Church. Committee hearings were ongoing and the. public was seeing, you know, uh, Colby and Angleton holding. up a heart attack gun. Uh, you know, how.

the CIA can kill someone and make it. look like they died organically of a. heart attack. Operation Chaos had just. broke about the CIA funding student. groups on American college campuses. COINTEL broke. Uh MK Ultra broke. It was. one House of Horrors after another on. everybody's TV that only had three news. stations. And so Democrats were completely fired. up about getting rid of the CIA or. putting massive handcuffs on it, which. is which is what they did. They created.

effectively what's now the Senate and. House Intelligence Committee. So there's. oversight of the CIA by the the People's. Representatives. The um the first year. Carter was in office in 1977 went. through the what was called the. Halloween massacre, fired 30% of all CIA. operations. uh personnel. They massively cut. funding. And so in response to this, you had a.

set of stakeholders who wanted that CIA. dirty work to still be doable, but they. didn't have the legal authorization to. run it out of the CIA. So what they did. is they took the same group of. international partners that they had. been that the CIA had been working with, that includes Saudi Arabia, Israel, the. UK, France, at the time, Iran, because. this was before the 1979 Iranian. revolution. They were all a part of this. thing called the Safari Club which got. its name from the uh Mount Safari. It.

was basically a resort club in Kenya. which was the main hub just like. Colombia for example is kind of the main. was the main US government hub for. logistics. It was kind of a foothold for. our ability to do work in Venezuela or. Guatemala or Nicaragua or Brazil. In. Africa, Kenya was our main stronghold. And so but Anak Kosogi ran that this was. basically a 78 country joint covert.

operations intelligence. network and it was informal. It wasn't. technically the CIA. Uh and it was set. up in you can pull the Wikipedia for. this actually just so you don't need to. take my word for it. Like literally the. sanitized Wikipedia will will tell you. everything that I'm I'm saying here. And. it ended up that network ended up. becoming one of the main. Yeah. Yeah. So if you start at the top,

you'll see that that there it is on the. right. The fire club. It was a covert. alliance of intelligence services formed. in 1976 that ran clandestine operations. in Africa. Now what they're leaving out. here is that it was also Asia played a. huge role in Pakistan and uh Afghanistan. and the like. But these were all these. different countries. attempt to offset the restrictions that. the Democrats had put on the CIA. When. Reagan gets back to power in 1981,

you still have these handcuffs on the on. the CIA. You still have the the. Democrats controlling the House of. Representatives. The Democrats. did, you know, so there was an. international arms embargo. First of. all, in 1979, the Iranian revolution. happens and it's blamed on the CIA being. cut back. The CIA helped install the Sha. in 1953. They argued that if Jimmy Carter hadn't. destroyed the CIA, we would still have. Iran as a friendly country. We could.

have stopped this. We could have nipped. it in the bud. We could have had people. on the ground. It's Jimmy Carter's fault. that he that he cut the CI that we're in. this disaster with the world's third. largest reserve of of oil and gas and. this hugely geostrategic. country now being an enemy of America. rather than a friend. The the so an. international arms embargo was put on. Iran, but then Iraq threatened to invade. it and we didn't want Iraq to take it.

over. So we had to get we had to do. something illegal if we wanted to help. Iran. And it was against international. law to give them weapons. But if we. didn't give them weapons, it was. perceived massive geostrategic. geopolitical earthquake that we'd live. with for centuries. So you had to do one illegal action with. with the gun running. And then there was. a inner party dispute. The Democrats at. that time uh the majority did not want.

to do. intervention in Nicaragua. Uh there was. a imparty power uh called the the. Sandinista government and there was a a. rebel faction called the Contras and. Republican donors and stakeholders had. had interests in Nicaragua and wanted to. help the Contras overthrow the. Sandinista government. But there was a party dispute. Democrat. donors didn't profit from that and they.

at the time had a fairly robust. anti-imperialism kind of mindset and. were sick of CIA regime change in by the. early 1980s after everything that was. disclosed in just the previous years. So. Republicans wanted to overthrow the. Nicaraguan governments. Democrats. didn't. Democrats had a House majority. and they passed something called the. Bolan Amendment which forbade any US. government funds from going to support. the Contras. So this put the the. Republicans in a pickle. By the way, this is what's happening kind of today.

around Ukraine. If you flip the parties, 100% of Democrats vote for Ukraine. funding. The Republican party is split. about it. This is the inverse of that. was happening in the early 1980s. 100%. of Republicans wanted to fund the. Contras against what they called the. Soviet aligned uh Sandinistas. and the Democrats were split but but. they successfully pass this bull. amendment. So the CIA was in a pickle. How do you run guns to Iran when it's.

against international law? And how do. you fund the Contras when it's illegal. to spend US government money to fund. them? And uh so what they came up with. is effectively the structure I think. it's the most useful structure for. understanding. uh American statecraft and intelligence. activity to this day. What what they. came up with is what they called a.

structure called the enterprise which. the CI director Bill Casey referred to. as a private self-sustained. offtheshelf. standalone entity that did not exist. within the US government but ex but was. instead it comprised. the money came from outside fixers. who would then effectively channel donor. money and black market trade.

to fund the contras. So the money didn't come from US. taxpayers. It didn't come from US aid. It didn't come from an allocation from. the US Department of War or or foreign. assistance from the Department of State. As it turned out, the money came from, you know, cocaine and uh and a couple of. other things. But uh you know that this. was the you know the famous. >> freeway Ricky Ross. >> Yeah. Gary Webb, you know, John Kerry.

>> Uh and. the the this was the soup that Jeffrey. Epstein was was coming up in. And you. know funny story related to this is that. the the main airline used to transport. the drugs and guns in the drugs for cash. for guns operation. was a CI proprietary airline called. Southern Air Transport. Uh, Southern Air Transport was.

was the proprietary CIA airliner, meaning it was owned and operated. exclusively by the Central Intelligence. Agency. And it was the, you know, the airliner. that all these aircraft went uh moved. through. Iran Contra was basically the early. 1980s up until like the mid late 1980s. in 19 it was it was based in Miami. In 1994, Southern Air Transport, the CIA.

proprietary airline, which in the. intervening time was spun out to not be. owned by the CIA, but rather to be owned. by someone who had worked for the CIA. Uh, at the time it was owned by the CIA. So, you know, pretty thin layer there. But. it moved from Miami to Columbus, Ohio, primarily to service the Limited. >> Oh, I know all about this, Joe. >> I have I have a I have a video on this. And in fact,

>> look over it, Jamie, because he's. obsessed. >> Yeah. In fact, >> he's obsessed with Patel. >> Yeah, I probably told you about this 5. years ago. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, there's a great. article, I think, uh, Spook Air. >> and, um, >> you know, on this, but. >> how many roads lead back to Ohio? Uh. most most if not all. >> What is what is this connection with. Ohio? Well, Ohio was, you know, if you. remember kind of the origins of of.

organized crime in the United States. really goes back to the prohibition era. when you had. this Midwestern. mafia syndicate around Cincinnati and. then it moved into Dayton and Columbus. and adjacent to Chicago and this whole. sort of hub. around prohibition and then prohibition. was 1920 to 1933. When prohibition ended, all these.

networks went from black market alcohol. to black market drugs because it was no. longer black market. They no longer had. a business smuggling alcohol. So they. they moved into the narcotic space. >> Which ones? Which which narcotics? >> Well, uh it was primarily opium in the. 1930s. This was part of. >> opium. >> really. >> Well, yeah. If you because in the 1930s. was when you had as you know as we.

discussed the department of wars. alliance with Changhai. and the and the Quuoman Tang the Chinese. nationalists the the supply for. you know uh. the supply for heroin for example or you. know opium it comes from Asia comes from. the golden crescent the golden triangle. and the way this logistics chain moved. was are CIA war departmentbacked. rebel groups in Asia. They sat.

territorially on the Golden Triangle. They would cultivate the opium. They. would. basically fly it out on military. aircraft. uh it went to Europe for. processing in. uh you know France was one of the main. uh you know this is this kind of French. connection saga which again Jeffrey. Epstein is weirdly connected to and I. can tell you about that if you're. interested and then it would go to the.

basically Italian mafia folks. for the trans shipment and you had the. Italian mafia controlled docks and ports. in the United States and New York and. New Jersey And you had, you know, CIA. protected Italian mafia groups in. southern Italy, which at the time were. national security protected because they. were our allies against the communists. And so you had this this drug trade to. support foreign policy imperatives. And.

you you can do that you can run that. exercise with pretty much every drug on. planet Earth at this point. And it makes. it very difficult to stop the drug trade. because by stopping the drug trade, you. are you're running up against something. that your own government considers. a perhaps unfortunate but necessary. logistics hub. >> Do you think that's happening right now. with Mexico? >> Yeah. >> Whoa. >> Well, I mean, think about this. Fast and. Furious.

>> Yeah. >> Wasn't that long ago? >> The Fast and Furious story is [ __ ]. bananas. Tell it to people that don't. know because just the idea that they. proposed this and implemented it is so. [ __ ] crazy. >> Yeah. Well, so this was a scandal during. the Obama administration. Eric Holder. was the attorney general of the United. States. He had to step down because he. was held in contempt of Congress for. jumping on the grenade and not turning. over the Fast and Furious files. Um,

Earth to Congress, note to Congress, who. wants to be a hero, by the way. Um, you. can do the same thing with the Epstein. bill with the Fast and Furious files. Uh, I think everybody in this war on. drugs that, you know, we're so gung-ho. about, we just captured the president of. Venezuela over drugs. It would be. awfully nice if you compelled the. Justice Department and FBI to turn over. the Justice Department and FBI run Fast. and Furious files. But what happened was.

is and I believe this had inter agency. approval, meaning the the White House. signed off on it, the Central. Intelligence Agency signed off on it, the Department of Defense signed off on. it, the State Department signed off on. it, the FBI and ATF signed off on it. This was a gununning operation to send. guns to the Sinaloa cartel to uh to have. them be able to successfully win a narco.

drug war against the Losas cartel. The. Lozus cartel was pilfering oil. pipelines. Remember, Mexico, the oil. wealth of the United States is vastly. disproportionately concentrated in. Texas, in West Texas and southern Texas where. it shares oil fields with Mexico. Effectively, those oil fields go into. Mexico is replete with oil and there are. many partnerships between United States. oil companies and the Mexican government.

uh PEMX and and all the different, you. know, kind of private private lines and. this is a big point of geopolitical. contention. But the fact is is one of. the things that organized crime groups. do in order to get money for their own. syndicate because they've got. effectively military control of a. territory is if a pipeline runs through. that territory, they can simply cut open. the pipeline and steal the oil. This is. for example what you know was happening. with our CIA backed uh rebel groups in.

Syria. We're taking the oil. I mean, we. would literally, you know, our our. spunky moderate rebels would, you know, literally cut open Syrian pipelines and. take the oil. And this was one of the. ways to support it, you know, you can. support it with drugs, you can support. it with black market oil. And by the. way, I while I'm on the topic, uh if you if you pull up and I have this. on my my ex, if you type in uh Institute.

uh Institute for Peace or in uh just. type in Institute Peace Drugs, the the the US government, the US. Institute for Peace. told the Taliban not to shut down the. drug trade after they took power in. 2022. They said it would have a. devastating. uh you know negative impact on the econ. you know the local economy if they. didn't keep growing what was then you. know 90 95%.

of the well yeah if you well I think. click the next image. uh wait next image. yeah here you go so this is this is a. you know we give the US Institute of. Peace at the time we gave them $55. million a year the US Institute of Peace. was created by active Congress. This. headline is wild. The Taliban successful. opium ban is bad for Afghans and the. world. >> Yes. >> Right. Right. So,

>> wow. >> Now, remember just about, you know, um. the Taliban had just taken back power. That happened in the, you know, in the. early Biden administration. The Taliban, if folks recall, cut. So we the CIA was help and and the. US military as well as their allies and. with regional allies were cultivating. the opium on the golden crescent.

for a noble cause to win the cold war. against the evil Soviets to this was a. big part of the funding for the muja. and this was one of the big scandals. that ended up enveloping BCCI the CIA's. bank because it was the way because it. was non-compliant with any banking. regulations. It all moved offshore. The drug money the the drug logistics.

chain that the CIA built for the. mujaheden then moved through the drugs. money laundering chain at the CIA bank. And this apparatus had scaled for 20. years by the by the late 1990s when the. Taliban like the Chinese wanted to shut. it down when the Taliban took power in. the 1990s. And they did that. They cut the OPM down. to effectively zero in 1999. And this is. all open source in two. And then you.

know we we invade Afghanistan and. you know uh 2001 2003. uh it becomes a US military occupied. zone and it goes from 0% of the world's. heroin to 95% of the of the world's. heroin all under US military occupation. In fact, we installed their dictator. um you know who whose brother was uh was. the main drug kingpin of the whole.

country. It's and some of this moved. through um some of this moved through. the. cold war CIA backed uh uh Turkish. Greywolves outfit. And uh there's a. funny quote I think in the Michael. Hastings article on uh. Stanley Mcrist where Stanley Mcrist's. team refers to u Hameid Carzi's funny. little hat that he wore. Hamid Carzi was. the CIA installed uh you know strongman.

uh after we we took over Afghanistan. He. referred to his hat as the Greywolf's. vagina. I mean the basically saying like. this is the you know the drug logistics. orifice. But leaving that aside, what. what I'm what I'm getting to is is you. you have this this banking network. You have all these logistics chains. Jeffrey Epstein. his first 10 when his comeup is made. through this through this whole network.

It turns out that Bear Sterns, you. opened a trading desk with to to clear. BCCI transactions in 197 1978. Um Jeffrey Epstein's mentor, the person. who who actually recruited him to apply. to Bear Sterns was a guy named Ace. Greenberg. Ace Greenberg then was a. senior executive at the time and then I. think in 1978 or 1979.

he becomes CEO so the head of Beer. Sterns. So Jeff and he sets Jeffrey. Epstein up with his daughter. So Jeffrey. Epstein is a is a young kid. People. wonder how did Jeffrey Epste make. partner at Beer Sterns so fast? Well, there's a couple explanations. You know, one is the guy who brought him into the. firm quickly became CEO thereafter. and Jeffrey Epstein was dating his. daughter. The New York Times actually. reported this about a month and a half. ago uh by getting the insider testimony.

of a dozen people who worked at who. worked at Bear Sterns at the time. And. so, you know, he's dating the boss's. daughter, but also Ace Greenberg as the. CEO. would have to approve all of these. transactions and it looks like was. involved in, you know, these these. clearing house activities. What happened. was is uh Bear Sterns cleared. about $13 billion worth of BCCI. transactions. And it looks like these. transactions were involved in the very.

same Adnan Kosigible, so Saudi and Doug. Lease, who was a British arms dealer. that Jeffrey Epstein was flying to. London to meet with and working with all. those years. Uh, and they and be and. Bear Sterns was doing it through this. entity called Capcom, which was. what the uh the Senate report on the. BCCI scandal referred to as the bank. within the bank of BCCI. So, kind of the.

inner sanctum of now that Capcom was was. owned by Kamal Autumn who was the. head of he was the chief spy for Saudi. Arabia. So he was so Bear Sterns. the New York Times reports based on a. dozen of these you know insider uh you. know testimonies they got like three of. epste's bosses on the record to talk. about you know what he was doing there. Amazingly the New York Times does not. mention a single deal name in the entire.

20,000word report. >> Why do you think that is? It might not be news fit to print. Also, they just I I'll I can be. charitable and say they might they just. might not know. They might think that, you know, uh I don't think that the New. York Times has a pinky of the. specialization in Jeffrey Epstein. cinematic universe knowledge uh that.

your random anonymous. egg account on X has. So they might not. know about uh Bear Sterns doing BCCI. transactions. They might not know what. uh you know if if you don't know the. material, you don't necessarily know. what to ask. That's me being charitable. Uh also. that you know some of the witnesses may. have said that they don't want to talk. about specific deal names because that. would tarnish.

you know the folks involved in that deal. for association with Jeffrey Epstein. There could be a lot of reasons. I'm. trying to be charitable here, but. >> but the fact is is they all said Jeffrey. Epstein moved up so fast because he was. dating the boss's daughter and he was. put on the biggest and most lucrative. deals very quickly within the firm. Um, and. given the in the incredible volume that. Beer Sterns was appears to have been. moving through BCCI. and BCCI being, you know, the hottest.

ticket in in town then in the late. 1970s, it was literally the main vehicle. for the US government to covertly. launder funds. Uh, Capcom, according to. the Senate Intelligence Report and the. Justice Department investigations, was. the main vehicle for funding the. mujaheden. 50% of those trades and they they. laundered it illegally. What what which. requires. a brokerage, you know, a clearing house.

to to prove it. You know, the way this. is set up is you have a you have a bank, you've you've got a money launder, and. you've got a clearing house. The bank. was the CIA bank, BCCI. The money. launderer was the CIA's. literal direct partner in this, the. Saudis. Capcom was run by the chief Saudi spy. master. And then in 1982, Jeffrey. Epstein obtained a fake Saudi passport. Uh, sorry, it was a fake Austrian.

passport because that was a big loophole. passport during the Cold War for spies, but said his residence was Saudi Arabia. We didn't find this out until 2019 when. his safe was raided. But that exact. time, Jeffrey Epstein has this fake. Saudi passport. And it's it's being done to support the. CIA backed rebel group, the Mujaheden in. Afghanistan. But that requires a clearing house to. clear those moneyaundering trades. They.

were using these mirrored commodities. trades which is this you know technique. of basically you know uh selling to. yourself to to make money look clean so. that it looks like um you know profit. and you know it looks like you you won. or lost it in a market trade rather than. through drug money. and then they were then sending that on. you know to uh to the mujad. But the. fact is is at the same time that that. was happening, Anan Kosigible, who'.

become Jeffrey Epstein's client in the. 1980s when he went on his own, was the. one facilitating. the weapons. you have this drugs for cash for guns. the person so the so the bank that's. moving the that's turning the drugs into. clean cash that the head of the you know. Saudi the Saudi spy master is running. that part of the you know banking side.

and then you've got the Saudi Saudi arms. dealer who is moving it illegally into. Iran. working handinand glove with the CIA and. the National Security Council the whole. time you have A. you have a illegal financial enterprise. protected at the highest level by the. United States government, the US. intelligence services and by proxy the. Justice Department itself. Can you. imagine the Justice Department. prosecuting it while that operation was.

ongoing? Any defendant, you know, here's you. asked what what are the what are the. great reveals in uh in in the JFK files? And I'd be remiss if I if I didn't bring. up the the case of Rolando Masser. There's an incredible document in the. JFK files that that Tulsi Gabbard. released last year, which is a CIA. document that describes I think the. quote is massive damage if the if the uh. Justice Department pursues a criminal.

case against a guy named Rolando Masser. If you just type in Rolando Masser, JFK. files 2025 release. uh or like massive. damage or something like that, you'll. you'll see this. It's an unbelievably. incredible document. What it documents. is that there was a dispute between the. CIA and the State Department. The State. Department sets foreign policy. The CIA. is not is supposed to serve covertly. the the the State Department. The the. CIA is the junior seat at the table.

Nobody ever goes from being, you know, uh head of the State Department to head. of the CIA. That's a that's a demotion. The CIA is supposed to be kind of the. Yeah, I use like the. uh you know, Sopranos reference. You. know, Sylvio comes in and and you know, shakes down the. hairdresser shop or whatever for the. money it owes the family. If you are. that hairdresser, it's easy to think. that Sylvio runs the mafia because he's. the one who shows up at your house,

breaks your windows, breaks your kn your. knuckles, and takes your money. But. Sylvio is not doing that because he runs. it. He's doing it because the person. setting the policy of the enterprise, Tony, is the boss of it. The way it's. supposed to work is the State Department. sets policy and the CIA does or. organizes the plausibly deniable dirty. work to achieve it if that is necessary. to achieve that foreign policy.

This is why there was a lot of debate in. 1948 about whether the CI should even. take on this role. This is this great. 1948 George Kennan memo that says maybe. we should do have a office within the. state department called the inaug uh. called the you know bureau of organized. political warfare and then two months. later they decided the CIA would uh you. know would take that but the fact is is. it's basically a state department. function but CIA is supposed to defer to. state but what happened was is there was. a factional dispute between state and.

CIA over over Cuba policy. the uh the State Department wanted. thought that the CIA backed rebel groups. in Miami were being too aggressive and. too uh too provocative, too hot-headed, you know, doing acts of terrorism and. sorts of things that looked bad to the. international community. JFK was trying. to rein them in, but the CIA, the. careers and folks there wanted to take a. more aggressive posture. And so one of.

the CIA's key. assets and ring leaders had a logistics. hub with a massive CIA backed Cuban. exile community network at that time in. the early 1960s in Miami. Uh wanted. thought that JFK was being too. impatient, too cautious. They wanted to. invade basically a section of Haiti uh. departing from Miami to use that as a. base to then do kinetic attacks against.

Cuba. The state department learned that. this CIA back network led by Orlando. Masser was going to do this and stopped. it. They had a customs and border agent. basically who was like manning the docks. and caught them as like 300 of them were. you know departing to try to take over a. part of of Haiti to do this and then the. state department directed the justice. department to pursue criminal charges. against Orlando Masser. in steps the CIA and you know if you if.

you can find this memo um you know it's. mas. for I think it's f RR are you are Rondo. Masser. It's uh. >> his name's on. >> if you if it the the title of it is is. like massive damage that would that. would occur. Uh you can probably also. just find it on or just yeah massive. damage.

There you go. estimate of damage which. could acrue to CI Miami through. prosecution of the Orlando Masser. Haitian Invasion Group. Again, we just. learned the existence of this document. last year. This is from 19 the 1960s. Now, it says, "The decision by the. Justice Department to seek a grand jury. indictment against Rando Masser and. certain of his associates is a. potentially explosive matter which could. result in extensive damage to CIA. activities in Miami. Recent adverse.

publicity on the national scene and in. the Miami area have added substantially. to the already sizable embarrassment. potential. Can you imagine what these. memos look like for Jeffrey Epstein? Some of the main sectors of danger to. CIA equities are described below. Basic. national publicity regarding student and. foundation topics have already attracted. attention of the local press to the CI. in general. Usually any reference to CI. covert activities leads to leads pressed. as check files for references of any. such activities locally. However, before. this action could be taken, the story.

regarding and then he goes over the. Panama Foundation, the University of. Miami, which was what hosted JM Wave, the University of Miami, then the CI's. largest station house in the world. It. was called JM Wave was hosted in a. facility off of the University of Miami. campus. Uh again, the biggest CI station. house in the entire world. uh the CI uh. so it goes on to say that uh okay there. have been all these. the top paragraph is saying we're under. a lot of pressure justice department the.

public is already losing support for the. CIA because of all these other. disclosures and it will be disastrous if. you if if you pursue the prosecution of. him because Orlando Masser is going to. squeal. So I think if you go down to the. next page, he says uh as has been the. case for the past 6 years and he says. basically the CIA has been working with. the head of the president and treasurer. of the University of Miami uh they're. extending the the you know cooperation.

and all this. So basically all these. touch points that Rando Masser's network. connects to will be exposed and they go. over all these what were previously. redacted CIA cutouts in the area. And. then he goes on the memo says, "Even if. the above circumstances did not exist, um we would remain concerned regarding. the possible effects of the prosecution. of the masser group. Although no station. agents or persons with whom the Miami. station has contractual arrangements are. among the persons arrested or those who. will be prosecuted, it will be very easy.

for the defense to drag CIA Miami into. the case. The defense has only to obtain. testimony, true or perjured, conceivably true, from one of the. defendants or summon as defense. witnesses one or more disaffected former. agents of the CIA station in order to. begin a chain reaction. surfacing such detail and rumor. concerning CI operations against the. Cuban target. given the sizable. reduction of infiltration and reduction. a general feeling of frustration, lack.

of support for Cuban freedom attributed. to passive US policy. um basically. saying it would undermine our you know. entire operation against Cuba and the. American people's support for it if the. justice department indictes these people. who just committed this crime because. they can very their the whole network of. CIA and they can just call to the stand. that the their friends and associates. had been talking with the CIA about this. well before they had done it and that.

would be a massive scandal. Now, that's just one example here. And. what goes on to happen is there's a. negotiation between the State Department. and CIA about whether to bring the case, how to bring the case, how to shape. there's a follow-up memo on this, which. is totally incredible that I think is. more of the logistics on this. The. agreement they reach is that the State. Department wins nominally. They do bring. the prosecution, but they bring it in a. highly limited integree. to the CIA's demands to limit lines of.

inquiry to uh to uh file motions. against entering anything into discovery. that might uh basically reveal the CIA. networks in in this. and they agreed to. have a CIA general counsel person on the. prosecution team in order to personally. make sure that the justice department. stays in line and if something looks. like if if the judge grants discovery.

for something that might reveal the. CIA's role in it, you know, drop that. line of prosecution so that it can't be. entered into evidence. And this this is. this is what you see time and again is. the. is how these networks get protected. whether it's drug cases whether it's you. know uh foreign policy scandal cases. whether it's money laundering cases I. believe in the Mark Rich case part of I. think his lawyer uh cited at one point.

or maybe it was a in his pardon. application the work that he had done. for for US intelligence services as part. of the reason that he should granted. leniency. But the point I'm getting to. here is given Jeffrey Epstein's. involvement in the BCCI network, given. Jeffrey's involvement in the 1990s with. all the foreign policy activities. happening in the Middle East at that. time, given Jeffrey Epstein's, you know, involvement through, you know, the the. early 2000s Clinton era and everything,

given his involvement in everything from. Israeli to Saudi to British to French. high level government officials, can you. Jeffrey Epstein was investigated by the. the SEC in the 1980s He was one he was. one of the two people uh who part who. ran the biggest Ponzi scheme in history. at the time in the United States. The. tower's financial collapse. Epstein's. business partner goes to jail for like. 30 years or 20 years or whatever. Uh but. Epstein skates completely free. Uh.

Epstein gets involved in this huge fraud. in the US Virgin Islands with this, you. know, like billion dollar fraud case in. the US Virgin Islands. never prosecuted. for any of it. Why is that? Well, one is, you know, he. may have, we know in the US Virgin. Islands case, he was sponsoring the. campaigns basically of the politicians. there. the prosecutor's answer to the. politicians could be that. But it I. would be shocked if there in 40 years of.

this where's Waldo Forest Gump, he's. always in the room in 40 years of. American foreign policy and intelligence. activity, you know, money sourcing for. that. Uh, for all the crimes that. Epstein committed, the concern was the. same one they had with Orlando Masser. don't bring the case and if you do bring. it in a highly limited way and that's. exactly what happened in 2006 the first. time he was indicted. Everybody was up.

in arms that it was a sweetheart plea. deal. It limited it gave protection to. all co-conspirators known and unknown. uh and and it was swooped in quickly. before, you know, there was a trial in. full so that lines of evidence couldn't. be opened about the network. >> It's just crazy that statutory rape is. what took it all down, right? Because. it's it's underageed hand jobs, right?

That's what took it all down. >> Yeah. I mean, I Well, it seems to be. what took Jeffrey Epstein down. >> Kind of crazy. Even that is has a really interesting. geopolitical history. There was a. similar scandal in the early 2000s with. a private military contractor called. Dinecorp, which again runs through this. Adnan Kosigible kind of Middle Eastern. network. Uh Dine Corp got in trouble. um for trafficking.

uh facilitating the the traffic. was a, you know, major. US military and CIA contractor for. logistics and uh, you know, institutional support and military. assistance uh, on the ground for the US. military all over the world. they got in. trouble uh moving basically trafficking. underage kids to Middle Eastern shakes. and I believe the uh in in the early.

2000s and I believe the reason. that was alleged by Congress. that they did that was to juice the. deals with them that basically you know. these uh these people who were critical. it's you know if you're operating on the. ground in Kuwait or, you know, pick your Middle Eastern, you know, country. in order to serve your purpose for the.

US government to be this outside. plausibly deniable but extensively. infrastructured professional support. outfit on the ground. You need the. support of the local government. You. need the support of the local high level. officials. They need to be happy. And. there's several currencies for that. There's financial payoffs and there's. other things they might like like. parties and young women uh you know. especially in places where you know. being with the very young female is not.

illegal. And so what Dine Corp I I. believe got busted doing and you can. look up the Dine Corp scandal here was. was doing this and I I believe their. argument was well you wanted us to do. this thing on the ground. you wanted us. to help the US military and you know. kind of covert support nodes that were. that were happening here. Uh we had to. do it somehow. You know this is part of. what helped us do that. I would not be. surprised if the Epstein.

trafficking. apparatus started. with similar motivations. not you know. that it's not for necessarily for. blackmail but because it makes clients. or customers or you know VIP people. happy. It makes that it makes them owe. you something. It makes them want to get. involved in a deal you do even if the. deal is not one they would ordinarily do.

because they just want to stay close to. you because you're their supplier of the. thing, you know, of their vice of the. thing that they, you know, want but. can't get. You know, if you're if you're. a 70-year-old billionaire, you can't. walk into a bar and leave aside the the. underage thing. You can't walk into a. bar, you know, and, you know, meet an. 18-year-old who's, you know, I'm pres. I'm presume, you know, these things are. facilitated that at private parties and.

it needs to, you know, for a lot of. these guys, it has to be discreet. You. know, they've got wives, they've got. reputations, and you know, there's an aspect of this. that plays out at every institution. I I. worked at a New York law firm and you. know there's you know there's there's. ways that you can make partner. uh you know at least this was kind of. the vibe that I felt like some people. make partner because they're really good. technically at what they do. They're. just amazing. They're just technical. whizzes on the minutia of how to.

structure a merger or acquisition. They. you know they're just really great at. structuring an offshore banking. transaction or they're really they just. know absolutely everything about tax. law. There's some people who move up. because of nepotism. You know, they're. the brother brother and they're the. son-in-law of of a major partner. There. are some people who make partner because. they know one they brought in one client. who's just a really big main uh rain. maker. And there are some people who. move up because they open doors to.

partners while they're associates. They. introduce them to someone. They host. events. They've got, you know, tickets. to exclusive things. And the partners. just like being around that person. because they get access to that person. uh in a currency that they can't get on. their own. And that includes hosting, you know, cool exotic parties, having, you know, attractive women. I I I've. never been convinced that the central. role of the Epstein young girl uh.

in my view sidebar of of the Epstein. money laundering story is uh is that it. was for blackmail. I and part of this is. because the moment Jeffrey Epstein. formally. officially threatens somebody with. blackmail and that person tells his wife. and that wife tells her friends and that.

gets out to somebody else that knows. Jeffrey Epstein, Jeffrey Epste's access goes away. overnight. That's the sort of thing that. even a rumor of that spreading and. nobody else is going to want to do. business with them. >> So, you think people just assume it's. blackmail because that is how you would. blackmail someone, especially underage. girls? I think it is very possible that. there could have been indirect.

blackmail, meaning Epstein passes it on. to an intelligence service to uh you. know to a corporate espionage client or. something um and they use that for their. own purposes. But even then, I mean, imagine for example, if you. know, like on the Bill Gates thing, like. there was an e, you know, Bill Gates. gets an email, I have a video of you.

sleeping with this person and you know, or somebody much lower level. The moment. they send that to the press, if you. know, in order to they figure they have. nothing to lose. I mean, there's not. been anybody in the seven years that's. transpired who said, "I've been I was. personally blackmailed by Jeffrey Eps.". I think cuz the moment you do that, nobody comes to your parties anymore. Nobody. You lose all the access. You. lose all the deal flow. You lose all the. goodwill that you've generated because. this rumor, people are very riskaverse,

especially at that level. >> Right. But just to have it over their. head and never use it though, >> right? Well, I think what I think that. what you could have is because he does. his own nefarious stuff, he could. compile it so that if they ever go out, if they ever threaten him with. something, he's now got something on. them. And I've seen some correspondence. that, you know, in the files that that. looks like that might not be an.

impossible scenario. >> Do you think that's how Jeffrey Epstein. got in that position in the first place, that they knew he had this kink? No, not. at all. I mean, Adna Kosigible had the. same thing. Adnan Kosogible was running. around with dozens of young and, you. know, apparently underage girls. It, you. know, the whole time. I think that. Jeffrey Epstein probably learned, you. know, how powerful that can be through. through that network. Seeing that that's. that's what powerful people do. uh that.

gives them something that. gets them a lot of local influence and. gets wins them a lot of favor. >> But that's a very specific illicit. desire. to want underage people. >> Well, a very How do you even find out. that someone's into that? Well, I don't. think that the majority or anything. close to it of of the women were. technically I mean I think it was. largely very young um. >> you know barely legal so to speak but.

and I know that there were cases of. underage but I you know I think. >> most of it was just. >> most of it was just very very young but. not. >> not like 20y old not like 13y old type. thing and then yeah remember because. this is an international enterprise and. many of the clients are like. uh you know in countries that don't. necessarily have the same norms about. that. >> that we do. Um you can very easily see. someone getting involved in that just.

because girls juice deals. And so I I. don't think that Epstein. I've not seen evidence and. in my view you don't need any of that to. understand the core part of the Epstein. story that is relevance to to your life. today in terms of your own government. and the workings of power and corporate. finance and the like. But I I I do think. that Girls Choose deals and the fact. that he had the coolest parties on a.

private island with the hottest girls. >> brought in a lot of intellectuals, stimulating conversations, scientists, all these very interesting people. So. that was part of the thing, right? That. was the draw. >> Try hosting a cool party as a guy. without with with a bad ratio, so to. speak. uh sausage party with a sausage. party. And when you develop a reputation. for having attractive women at the. parties you host, >> you become uh an you become an an.

important person to know in the network. because basically every male has that. has a desire for attractive women. Not. saying underage obviously, but that is. like a universal. biological desire for men to be want to. be around attractive women. >> And what did they do for gay guys? >> I have no idea. Uh. >> is that a part of the file or the the.

lore? >> I've not seen evidence of it. I or if if. I have, I can't recall it offhand. But. >> the whole point is he's throwing these. very attractive, cool parties to get all. these people together. >> But that's what juices deals, >> right? >> If you. take this scenario, um Epstein's running. a fund. um a. a donor, a colleague, someone that he'd.

like to do a favor for, or an. intelligence service says, "Hey, um. we're trying to get a pipeline built in. the Middle East. Um we we need a you know, a facilitator. to help arrange. private outside funding for it." So this. thing can be constructed and it doesn't. look like it's coming from the US. government or just but you know we'll uh.

the US government will provide some sort. of loan guarantee or something on it but. we can't raise enough money to do this. It needs to come from the outside but it. would really help American national. security and there's probably something. in it for you if you can get this done. Epstein then goes out and says to um. then puts out basically uh tries to make. contact with people in his network who. might be interested in that deal and. then goes and that he goes out to five.

people. Two of them are uh you know in. the space locally. The the deal terms. look good. They want to do it 100%. No. hesitation. Um, and then two people say, "Well, listen, it's a good idea in concept, but I don't. know, the risk profile on it looks a. little high. This normally is not would. not be something that my team would. clear. We uh, you know, it's. interesting, but you know, I.

it's just it's a little rich for my. blood in terms of the risk profile, but. Jeffrey Epste asked them to do it." and. Jeffrey Epstein, you know, for the past. three years of their lives has been the. best weekend they've ever had, has uh, you know, is made them feel alive again. in their, you know, mid-50s or 60s. Has, uh, you know, has opened all sorts of. other deals for, you know, for them, and. this deal might work out. So, uh, if I.

I'm afraid that if I say no to Jeffrey. Epstein on this deal, I'm not going to. get an invite to the next party. I'm not. gonna be able to get laid again with. like, you know, a girl that I f with, you know, women I find attractive or. that, you know, yada yada and Epstein. hooks those up. Uh, I will do I'll get. in on this deal just because I want to. be in the good graces of Jeffrey. Epstein, >> not, you know, because this the deal as. a standalone thing. It's because it's.

juiced by the girls, the parties, the. lifestyle that Epstein allows you to. have access to. >> But in the public eye, the narrative is. underage girls. And this is the thing. that makes it so disgusting. When people. talk about it, everyone says, "Fuck kids. on the island." This is the this is the. the the big conspiracy about it. And. this is the reason why people are so. outraged about it. My concern with the runaway train on. that is that um.

it's a massive manhunt for something. that it may be true to me. It's a it's a. it's a needle in the haststack. It might. be true. Good luck looking for it. And. when when when I think about it. logically with the role that Epstein. played between BCCI, Iran Contra, uh. Latin American politics, African.

politics, Asian politics, major, you. know, world foundations, all you don't. need. It would seem. ludicrous to me that Epstein. doesn't mean it's impossible, but logistically if Epstein ever. directly threatens someone. um proactively, that is if the person. tries to blackmail Epstein, Epstein. could, you know, reactively say, "Well,

I've got I've got [ __ ] on you, too." but. proactively and really really do someone. in like that and word gets around that. that happens. everything everything he built goes the. whole rolodex finds out and then even if. the rumors not even if that rumor isn't. even he even if he didn't if that rumor. existed people aren't going to want to. go to the parties because uh now that's. not like an unfettered good time that is.

like oh he did this to this guy I know. >> right. >> and uh so. and the fact that you know these sorts. of things they have a you. like well way beyond blackmail. They. have they have a value in terms of. bringing people in network and keeping. clients and customers happy and. providing access and and I think.

I think that the the focus on that. listen if there were if there were any. sort of receipts whatsoever on that. after all these years if there was like. something really good to chew on on that. on that thread I'm I'm very I'm. open-minded about. But my concern is the fixation on this. If you think about the sort of pie chart. of what the Epstein cinematic universe. can tell you about the world,

even if it's true, it's a very very very. small fraction of that. And this gets. back to in 1999. I I mentioned. Jeffrey Epstein. foyed the Central Intelligence Agency in. 1999. for all records about himself. and then he did it again in 2011. Now. Jeffrey Epstein was not a public figure. at all in 1999. He didn't come into.

public awareness, public attention until. 2001, 2002 when he started flying when. he flew Bill Bill Clinton around. postpresidentidency Bill Clinton around. uh on his Africa tour around the time of. the start of the Clinton Foundation and. everyone was wondering whoa who's who's. this eccentric billionaire who uh is. personally flying around on his private. jet the president of the United States. for the past eight years and that's when. you know the Jeffrey Epstein celebrity. story started, but he was a he was a.

private figure in 1999 when he foyed the. Central Intelligence Agency for records. and and the and we just learned this in. the files this week. The the response, we don't actually have. the underlying. what's what's in the files is a 2011. FOYA response to Jeffrey Epstein's. lawyer. Jeffrey Epste did this through. his lawyer using the Privacy Act. This. is a way to basically kind of.

anonymously foyer the the CIA to uh. basically keep communications between. the CIA and your lawyer for information. you're entitled to under the privacy act. about about yourself. And we don't have the underlying letter. in the files tragically and for whatever. reason. But we uh but what we do have. because I would expect that to be an. enclosure to the CIA response. But the. fact is is anybody who wants to be a.

hero right now and I have it up on my on. my ex account I have in the thread that. I did on this the reference the file. reference numbers. These are not. classified documents. Foyer responses. are not classified. So, anybody right. now can foyer the Central Intelligence. Agency for all records and. communications related to the CIA's. written communications with Jeffrey. Epstein via his lawyer both in 1999.

2011, but the 2011 what it says is we. have received your request for your. client Jeffrey Epstein's uh you know uh. records search under the Freedom of. Information Act. Uh, we've granted the. request to search for all open and. acknowledged agency affiliations between. Jeffrey Epstein and the CIA. Uh, we have run that search and the. answer is no documents are responsive to.

the request. And then it says in the. next paragraph, with respect to your. request that touches on classified uh. classified documents, we can neither. confirm nor deny the existence or. non-existence of of any such documents. So you can consider this a partial. denial of your foyer request. Now, what's so interesting about that is you. may think if you read that that Jeffrey. Epstein. uh you know just requested any public.

facing links between him and the CIA. Um. or uh you know what just a general you. know uh what do you have on me that the. public can search just to see? First of. all, the fact that he did that alone. twice in 1999 2011 says something. But. the you might think, okay, well, he just. wants to know if other people might. think that he's CIA, you know, he's he's. moving up in the world in 1999. He's. about to be a massive public figure. He. wants to know if other people.

foyer the CIA for records on him, what. they will see. And but that it turns out that response. to a FOYA partial granting of the FOYA. to look for open and acknowledged agency. links and partial glowar uh can neither. confirm nor deny existence non-existence. is a stock CIA foyer response whenever. you foyer the CIA for someone's.

personnel files. which leads to the question because The. fact that the CIA says we we are. consider this a denial of your request. for classified for things that touch on. classified matters means that he asked. he he didn't just ask for all open and. and acknowledged links between the CIA. and himself. He asked for something and. whatever that thing was, it touched on. something classified. There would have.

been no glowar if if there would have. been nothing to deny about the request. if it had only been limited to open and. acknowledged links. To me, this is a bombshell and should. prompt Roana and and Thomas Massie and. the 427 members of the House of. Representatives and 100% of the US. Senate to pass the same bill that the. United States Congress did in 1992 for. for all for the JFK uh you know, Records.

Collection Act when the CIA was forced. by law to stand up an independent. auditing body to review all classified. records relating to the JFK. assassination for the first time. and then declassify them over months and. years through the work of that. independent board. The existence of of this correspondence. we just learned about this week alone. should prompt a 427 to1 and 100% Senate.

to do the same thing they just did with. DOJ files for CIA originated files. That's actionable immediately. Who's. going to want to be on the other side of. that in Congress? No. The CIA's records. about Jeffrey Epstein, prolific child. sex traff, however you want, you know, whatever you see in the Roshock Inkblot. test of of the Epstein universe. Um, I. think it would be very hard to be if. that bill gets introduced for a sitting.

member of Congress to be on the other. side of it. I think it would pass and it. would legally compel the CIA to turn. over what I think are quite possibly. arguably very likely 40 years of CIA. documents referencing Epstein. The CIA. would not be doing its job if it didn't. have records about Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey Epstein was a. counterintelligence threat with all the. foreign countries that he was dealing.

with. If if he had been a double agent. sort of thing, the CIA would not be. doing its job if it was not keeping tab. The C Epstein's network was a key. financial and logistics hubs in highly. geopolitical sensitive areas of. operation of the CIA. The economics. division of the CIA, let alone, you. know, the operations division is going. to have to, you know, uh keep uh. analysts informed about money flows in. those countries. And when you add and. then you add in the fact that he.

represented Anan Kosigible's money who. was the CI's main point person. for 10 years uh the the literal central. lynch pin and his money is being. handled. There's no way and you would. now have a legal mechanism to enforce CI. declassification if Congress forces it. Now the other part of it is okay why. hasn't the CIA turned this over before? You could argue it's a Orlando Masser. case. It would embarrass the agency. It.

would mean in Congress their funding is. going to get decimated because they're. they're toxic. You can argue it's. foreign governments that don't want the. but part of it is the CI is not allowed. to do this unless the Congress forces. them. These are classified documents. I. mean it could, you know, charitably volunteer to OD and. uh by conducting, you know, an internal task force uh that. voluntarily, you know, ask Tulsi Gabbard to. declassify these. Uh I wouldn't hold.

your breath on that, but this is. immediately actionable and it would. solve the mystery. All we need is one. brave member of Congress to get the ball. rolling and stand up that bill and you. can just copy paste the 1992 JFK Records. Collection Act and just substitute JFK. for Jeffrey Epstein. >> What's your take on the circumstances. around his death? >> I don't know. I. >> It's weird that they took a guy who is.

one of the most high-profile defendants. ever and you put him in jail with a mass. murderer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Kind of crazy. You put him in jail with. a cop who had killed drug dealers. A. juiced up gigantic cop. >> Yeah. >> Who was obviously a psychopath. And then. 18 days before he died, he complained. that that guy tried to kill him. >> Yeah. Uh, I mean it it it doesn't look good. I.

>> It's just crazy that this guy wasn't in. protective custody. It's crazy that the. cameras go down. It's crazy that the. footage that they've released is weird. because it's missing it's missing time. >> And it's crazy that it happened under. the watch of an attorney general who. himself was so deeply embedded in the. Epstein network his whole life. I mean, from the weird kind of coincidence of. Bill Bar's father, Donald Bar and. Jeffrey Epstein's Dalton school to the.

fact that Bill Bar started his career in. the CIA during the Iron Contra operation. that Jeffrey Epstein was appears to have. been doing the covert money laundering. for. I mean, Jeffrey Bill Bar was like. seven years. He went to Knight Law. School, trained to be a lawyer while he. was at the CIA. And then his, you know, main job was being the CIA's blocker and. tackler to obstruct. uh he was the he was the CIA's point of. contact to Congress during the Iran. Contra scandal that Jeffrey Epstein was.

so deeply involved in. uh and was blamed. in the press at the time for being the. person at CIA blocking Congress from. seeing the CIA scan documents that were. so central to the scandal. Then he. becomes the attorney general of the. United States and he writes the pardons. of the BCCI officials. who was co-leading that investigation, Robert Mueller at the time. This is in. the early 1990s, the first time Bill. Bar. So you have the BCCI Bear Sterns.

multi-billion dollar operation. that appears to me that Jeffrey Epstein. was working on and then got took the. clients from that deal as his own. personal clients when he went private on. his own. and Bill Barr is who lets the. people from the crooked CIA bank off the. hook and then he becomes attorney. general again. Uh, you know, and in 2019. it's he's the one in charge of the FBI. The FBI answers to the Justice.

Department. The FBI is the same. relationship with with justice that the. CIA has with state. You know, they're. the investigative arm of the Justice. Department. So, you know, I I think if you I think. it's hard to trust anyone on this and I. don't know, you know, what kind of file. set the Trump FBI inherited after after. all this time. Uh it it's hard to make. heads or tails of it. To me, I think. getting answers on the things that are.

immediately actionable, you getting the. CIA's direct correspondence with Jeffrey. Epstein, you know, that I mentioned, uh, a a congressional bill that forces that. because if it comes out that there are. effectively an an entire avalanche of. classified Epstein files, uh, dating back 40 years, and then. you've got the CIA attorney G. It puts. these things in a in a very different. light depending on whether.

the thing that has generated so much. smoke this whole time uh the allegation. of protection. by US government intelligence and. however many others uh to know that on. physical paper like we know that the CIA. interfered in the Orlando Mass trial. like We know that the CIA contracted out. to mafia hitman an attempt to kill a. foreign president. Like we know that MK.

Ultra actually was real. We these things. you can't scale, you know, I think of. things like a like a Jenga tower. If if. if a foundational piece is not solid, you can scale a whole architecture of BS. on top of it. And if that assumption. falls away, this majestic looking, you. know, tapestry of just years and years. of effort collapses because the thing.

you assumed to be true because it looked. like there was so much smoke to to know. it to be true that that is a solid piece. that you can put the next piece on top. of. You know, it's um there's that quote, 99% is a [ __ ] 100% is a breeze. >> What does that mean? >> It means when you're only 99% sure of. something, you you always have to. agonize.

Well, what if it's not true? And it and I think it is and I build all. this stuff on top of it. The 1% chance. that that's not true means uh it would. be a real [ __ ] for this me to spend. years of effort on this thing for me to. spend thousand you know millions of. dollars you know on this thing when it's. based on assumption that was only 99%. likely to be true but 1% it may have. been structured some way different there.

might be something I missed in this. whereas 100% is a breeze. Okay, it's. automatic. You can and things like this. is why document drops like this are so. vital. Not even necessarily because they. have some single smoking gun that tells. you who killed JFK or you know uh. what client Jeffrey Epstein traffked. women to. but because it allows you.

to put down real Jenga pieces about what. actually happened and that process. itself allows you to ask the questions. that might get you to those answers. >> That makes a lot of sense. Um, is there. anything else you want to add to this? >> I mean, we could kind of go on for days. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you spend so much. time on this stuff. How do you have that. kind of an attention span? It's kind of. nuts. I mean, I I follow some of your.

live streams. I'm like, first of all, your recall is insane. >> You know, I I heard something once which. I think is really helpful. I don't think. I'm special in any way like this. I. think literally anyone can do this if. you just kind of apply this kind of. trick. I heard this once, which is that. if you read a history book, don't just read it agnostically. Have a theory in mind about what you.

think. this is and how it worked. Even if you. are wrong about that theory, what you. will find is that names, dates, locations, your brain will remember them forever. because they're not, you know, if I'm if I'm thinking about. something that happened in, you know, uh, I don't know, like November 11th,

1983. Okay. If if I see like that date on a. driver's license card or something, um, and I have no theory of mind when I see. that, I'm not going to remember that. five minutes from then. It's it's going. to be like remembering trying to. remember a 11 string, you know, number. or like someone's cell phone or. something when you don't really know the. person or you've never, you know, you. haven't dialed it a million times. But. if you have a theory of mind that you. are indexing those things in relation. to, what you find is that your your.

brain keeps those in that index. So like. I I've joked like. because you we've talked about this Iran. Contra affair which was really the. creation of this apparatus that we live. under today where because the CIA got. handcuffs put on it, everything had to. become CIA to get around those. handcuffs. the universities had to be. the foundations, the private. philanthropic donors, you know, that and. this is what happened in the censorship.

industrial complex. It was all wrapped. around this. But what you find is like. those dates mean something to you. because they're they're placed in. relation to something else that happens. Uh, you know, I I joke that like I index. things by, you know, Iron Contra often. Like for example, if if there's when I. was, you know, studying about BCCI and I. learned, okay, this happened in 1984, I. don't just think about 1984 as a an. abstract thing. I think, okay, well, that means it happened after the meeting. between Robert McFarland and Anand.

Kosigible, but before the uh you know, the oil pipeline scandal of Edme. And. then so I remember that this thing. happened on this date because I place it. into that index and anyone I think it's. it's a. I think it's something that anyone you. know I think people organically do it. when they're really passionate about. something. And um you know this is an. easy thing to be passionate about. because. it gets to the heart of networks that.

are the determining power structures of. of your life. When you look up and then. you look up at the thing that you're. looking up at and you look up at the. thing you above that. This is this is. the network you see whether it's in. intelligence, military, statecraftraft, high finance, private philanthropies, universities, labor unions, scientific. research. It doesn't mean it's, you. know, the Epstein network, so to speak, but it's it's this this layer of.

interconnected human networks. And I. think it's an an important history for. the American people to have access to so. that they can make informed decisions. about how they want to change that. world. How they can make informed. decisions about what to vote for. They. can make informed decisions about what. kind of, you know, industries that. they're participating in that they might. want to see reformed. And uh it's so it makes it easy to be.

passionate about because if we can if we. can get a win here, it'll really change. the world. >> Well, I think you do a great service and. I think you're abilities are. exceptional. I think you're selling. yourself short a little bit. You're. being a little self-deprecating because. it's very unusual what you're able to do. and I I think the just the sheer amount. of time that you've invested in this. stuff is kind of mind-boggling. Well, what would you like to see in this? Like. if if you had a wish list, what are the.

things that are open threads or. >> Well, the the real concern with me is that. it's unfixable and that this is just a. standard. way that our government has operated. since the 1950s or whenever and it can't. be fixed and that they'll just gloss. over it. a new person will get into. office and promise that they're gonna. implement some reform and it never. happens and that we just accept that.

over and over and over again. That's the. real fear. The real fear is that there's. a slow capture of our democracy to the. point where it's just a mere illusion. That's the real fear. And I think a lot. of people think that we've already. passed the point of no return on that. That's what scares the [ __ ] out of a lot. of people. And then when you see um. things that are happening in other. countries. um like particularly England which is. just. rampant crackdown on free speech and. what the the arrests from people that.

are posting things on social media sites. and the implementations of uh there's a. a new thing that they tried to do or I. think they are doing this concept of uh. having a limited amount of times you can. drive outside of a zone. And after that, you have to pay for it. That's a new. thing, right? >> Yeah. Smart type concept. >> I can send this to you, Jamie, because I. just sent it to uh Constantin. It appears to be real and it's.

terrifying. >> Your carbon budget. >> Yeah, that's nuts. Well, look at what. California is doing right now. What. California is doing is um they are. taking uh or they're they're moving. forward with this the idea that you have. a um. a tax on the amount of miles that you. drive now. >> Yeah. >> So instead of just taxing gas like. they've always done, now they're taxing. you on the amount of miles that you. drive. Well, you're already getting tax.

on that. If you're driving more miles, you're spending more money on gas. So. you're getting you're spending more. money on tax. But now they're taxing on. top of that, which is essentially. they're stealing money. >> Yeah. >> Um, why can't I find it? Uh, Ford here. Here you go. Hold on a. second. Jamie, you're on uh you're on Signal, right? >> Uh, I can get it to myself. It is really interesting how that whole. thing. >> I said signal.

>> the but uh. >> but it's crazy that. the California thing is bananas. >> It just says Wow. >> That's it. >> Oh, it doesn't have the link. >> Link. Okay, hold on. >> Huh? Oh, maybe this is it. Hold on. Hold. on a second. I think there's a really interesting uh. underdeveloped history around the. origins of the. uh climate.

the 2006 2005 2006 2007 really uh. global warming climate kind of policy. push from the US government. that became a runaway train uh as. investor money rushed in. It's my it's. my opinion and I'm open-minded about it, but it it appears to be the case. in my view after. a study of this uh that the US.

government uh together with uh foreign. allies pursued this kind of you know uh. demonization of of carbon at a real. policy level or hydrocarbon based fuels. uh as a. kind of geopolitical battering ram. against newly resurgent Russia in the. mid 2000s. uh as as Putin was getting power back. over a bunch of post uh postsviet.

Eastern satellite countries through. basically pipeline exploiting his. leverage uh around pipelines and the. fact that you know this is like the John. McCain type quote right that Russia is a. gas station with the military right you. hear that a lot. >> you know Gasprom the state sponsored uh. oil company was like effectively the. biggest oil company in Well, gas problem. wasn't for gas but Ross Neft and Roy. Russia had you at one point the largest.

oil uh you know exports in in the world. It was it was the motor engine of their. economy. uh oil and gas and the olig the. relationship between Russian oligarchs. and businessmen and Eastern European. Russian oligarchs and and businessmen. allowed that hydrocarbon-based. um dependency and financial opportunity. to let Putin reassert Russian control. over central and eastern European. countries that that NATO was trying to.

you know turn into you know western. vassel states essentially. viously had. this in the 1990s this wasn't an issue. because Boris Yelton was the president. and he was effectively. um. an adjunct of of the US government. incidentally through Larry Summers and. the Jeffrey Epstein Harvard network but. uh so there became this push after uh. you know Russia's interventions in. Georgia and the like and a big attack on.

on a lot of uh you know high level. Republican And well well basically. I think this push to try to create uh a. shift in the types of energy the world. uses was a way to kneecap. uh Russia's main source of revenue to. ensure that the. um the Eurasia.

the the plan to 's uh political or. vassal state control over Eurasia would. continue against Putin's new nationalist. uh and global resurgence and this. includes a bunch of crap that happened. in 2003 2004 but effectively then you. started to see the US government. champion these hydrocarbon policies and. you started to see all of these. international forums, journals, regulators openly talking uh in this. mids period as Russia was starting to. reclaim political influence that these.

climate policies. would be a way to stop Russian power and. influence because it would [ __ ] them. economically. They'd have there'd be no. there'd be no business, you know, between oligarchs in the different. countries for them to even leverage. It. would uh effectively allow us to. continue the golden age of the uniarty. 1990s moment. And then you saw all these. government subsidies toward to it, you. know, uh tax benefits like, you know,

free money basically. Uh and then it. became a runaway as the the market saw. that that this was a highly protected. incentivized space by the US government. They all flooded in. Now they've got a. sunk cost. If those policies change, you've got trillions of dollars in. climate finance globally, >> right? And then these started becoming. part of like IMF loan you know. requirements and uh and but now it's. like even if the science is completely. wrong.

uh what started arguably as a kind of. you know national security. based way to force energy. diversification. This is what we we put. Europe through the United States with. the sanctions against Russia. we forced. them to uh you know divest of of of oil. and gas and invest in a basket of you. know alternative energy cleaner energy. supplies. Uh but now it's and they and. that could be justified at the national. security level with the science of this.

actually being the case. Uh so you could. sell it to the whole world. Uh. even if even if you prove that false at. this point there's there's so much. infrastructure built up that um you know. you have this network you have you have. hedge funds you know you got I mean Bill. Gates has a climate fund Al Gore is a. billionaire from from this one Tommy. Styer one of the biggest investors in. DNC the climate impact fund Michael.

Bills who funded uh the CIA governor of. Virginia Abigail Spanberlar and and. >> then the momentum of the it's sort of an. unstoppable social narrative now. >> Right. Well, and it's and the thing. that's terrifying about it is that it. has conjoined the diplomatic muscle of. of the American government and whatever. allies abroad with private finance. Like. for example, like uh we overthrew the. government of Bangladesh in 2024. The. Biden administration did. They ran this.

whole coup. They did it through the. national down for democracy. CIA cutout. and a million other orgs on the ground. It was a color revolution street. protest. You know, I think we may have. talked about this last time where. literally the CIA. sock puppet National Endowown for. Democracy sponsored like rap music. videos and you know produced them and. put them on YouTube and uh and then. worked with the unions you know set up. like transgender dance festivals to try. to get the you know the LGBT community.

you know on board against the. government. and then you know giant. riots they install you know it's. effectively a but part of the the thing. that they they leaned on in the. post-transition government is to you. know agree to these. you know basic basically like climate. finance reforms and you can. just like the CIA and the oil industry. became completely inseparable completely. inseparable I mean George Bush for. example Zapata Energy Offshore and the.

whole Texas oil thing and uh you know to. then becoming the Central Intelligence. Agency director. I mean Trump's first. Secretary of State was Rex Tillerson. Rex Tillerson never worked in. government. The Secretary of State. oversees the CIA. He's got the whole CIA. portfolio. How's he know? Well, he was. the chairman and CEO of Exxon Mobile. You can't The CIA and the US military. creates the market for oil companies. You can't get access to the oil unless. you either overthrow a government or. support against a insurgency political.

movement one that will guarantee you. favorable terms uh you know access yada. yada the whole market and then the CIA. and DoD people will rotate into board. seats on those oil companies and so it. becomes inseparable and my fear about. this is that over the past 10 years the. same thing has started to happen with. the client the the the sort of you know. clean energy side of the uh you know of. big energy companies like in big oil and.

C big oil and CIA for a century now you. have like big climate and CIA because. there's so much money it's energy is the. master resource and so now you've got. you know what appears to me CIA. intervention in part like some of these. things you have to wonder why did the. Biden CIA try to overthrow the Bolsinaro. government in Brazil. This was a pro- US. uh political party. It was a uh the the.

person, you know, Lula was tied at the. hip with China, divested from all these. US contracts, you know, massively. reduced the, you know, the the footprint. of of US aligned policies in the second. biggest country country in our. hemisphere. And well, you know, Brazil just. announced like this $ 1.3 trillion. climate finance initiative and you know, all of these people are all these New. York hedge funds and London banks who've.

skated towards this are are in on that. You have I mean this is a crazy case. Uh. you know, one of the biggest. beneficiaries of the post coup Lula's. government in Brazil uh were all of the. uh clean ethanol. George Soros's longest. standing equity investment at that point. was country a company called Adicoagra. which did a clean ethanol uh fuel uh. alternatives. The problem is is it's you. know it's part of its business. Part of.

it is it's not competitive on price with. you know diesel. based fuels. So the only way to, you. know, compete and win that market and. make millions of dollars is if the. government imposes a mandate, a quota. that forces people to buy your product. Well, George Soros co-sponsored those. CIA adjacent national down for democracy. operations all over Brazil. Well, he's, you know, holding an equity interest in. the thing that day one there's an.

imposed mandate to use those cl those. climate products. It's the same thing in. Africa. You have like CIA regime change. to force clean energy companies so that. the people who sponsor the the the. donors who sponsor the politicians who. pick the staff of the CIA. enacts policies that makes money for. those hedge funds invested in in climate. finance. >> So [ __ ] up. >> I think that's what's happening in. California without the regime change. element. I think at the kind of you know.

I I think you have investors who who. profit from this and the only way those. investments can be profitable is if. government imposes mandates, quotas and. bans on the on alternatives to that. product. I mean that's kind of the way. the vaccine market works. Do you get that link? >> Yeah. Um. should we play it? >> Yeah, just play it. sound. Hold on.

>> The UK, they just set up their little. 15-minute city and they are now charging. people for leaving the city. You get 100. free days. They call it a free day. You. get a free pass to leave the 15-minute. city. And if you exceed your 100 free. days, you have to pay the US dollar. equivalent of $93 per day. And if you. live outside of the 15-minute city and. you want to travel into the 15-minute. city, you get 25 free passes. Free move. Oh, they're the government's giving you.

free movement capability. You get 25. free passes. And if you exceed those 25. days, it's $93 a day. And how are they. tracking all this? Oh, there's not a man. at the gate. They're not writing up. tickets or having police officers. settle. Oh, no. They are monitoring you. with digital AI surveillance and. cameras. and then they're automatically. finding you. This is why we have to be. against the flock cameras in the United. States. They're not just speed trap. cameras. This is why we have to be. against the Palanteer whole of. government database. This is why we have.

to stand up and raise awareness and. bring attention to these matters instead. of arguing with each other and NPCs on. the internet over left versus right. issues or my side, your side. They are. keeping us artificially divided because. they are setting up this infrastructure. in the United States right now. Divide. and conquer. We are in the division part. of the divide and conquer agenda. Conquer is next. You think it's bad now? Wait till you have to pay $100 a day to. leave your 15-minute city. The. conspiracy, >> right? So only rich people are going to.

be able to afford that. It's just like. the meat thing, right? It's like, you. know, the you're the irony of, you know, Australia being a prison colony and now. you've got uh now it's like the homeland. in the UK. But I mean, look, the UK just. got rid of like jury trials for a lot of. cases and. >> uh you know has 12,000 speech arrests a. year and some people arrested for what. seems like even holding up their own. country's flag at an opportune moment or. silently praying and uh you know we we.

we need to liberate the British people. I I mean it's it's it's unbelievable. that I mean they call it perfidious. albon right British statecraft has been. so pernicious to the American people in. the past decade it was I mean Russia. gate the the entire three-year special. prosecutor saga was because of a British. spy Christopher Steel and and a and an.

Iran Contra veteran Stefan Halper uh. residing abroad at Cambridge to kick. that off. And then. the the British government conspired. with the Biden administration to create. uh to to conjoin the US UK censorship. industrial complex. uh America First. Legal, Steven Miller and Gene Hamilton's. um non nonprofit law firm they started. obtained these incredible documents uh.

that showed a a planning meeting between. the British government and the Biden. administration. uh attended by the CIA, the National. Security Council, USAD hosted at the. White House and it was the British the. UK digital commission. uh they brought a. huge slide deck of all the ways that. their new censorship law, what's today. called the online service online safety. act, the OSA, um would effectively help. throttle misinformation in the United.

States. Like basically it was like uh. you scratch your back, our back, we'll. scratch yours. And it was this, you. know, US Democrat party, UK Labor Party. alliance. Meanwhile, the Biden. government was paying British sensors. They the global disinformation index, which you know killed like the ad, you. know, revenue for like they went after. Daily Wire, Federalist, a million. conservative news sites and social media.

accounts. You went after the social. media platforms in the United States. They're British black ops by their own. language. the well CCDH who was but but. they were funded by our government to. censor our voices but laundered out to. the UK and I think we need to. fundamentally uh restructure that. special relationship. We've had that. relationship for a long time totally. unquestioned. Uh I. we can't farm that out. we and if if.

that's not if that's not addressed and. we don't fix that relationship, uh I. think you can't really fix our own. system unless we, you know, um cut out. some of the poison that we inject from. the outside. >> Well, Mike, we gave people a lot to go. over, almost too much, but you uh if. anybody wants more, uh your ex account. is amazing. Uh you're you're tireless. I. don't know how you do it, but uh thank.

you for doing it. I I really appreciate. you and I appreciate you coming on here. >> Oh, thanks so much for having me. I. Nothing but fun from here. I mean, look, it's fun. I mean, guys, the world is. opening up and we are seeing behind a. looking glass where there has been a. veil of secrecy for 60 years about some. of these things, for 10 years about some. of these things. So, don't get too. blackpilled. This is. something has happened that has never. happened before and you are alive to. experience it. So, you know, try to.

enjoy the ride. All right. Thanks. Bye. everybody.