Joe Rogan Experience #2446 - Greg Fitzsimmons

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Oh, Alpha Brain. [music] Take some Alpha. Brain. So, I'm going to be [ __ ]. sharp. >> I got this stuff, too, if you want. It's. an energy drink that also has neutropics. in it. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. Good stuff. >> Yeah. >> Gregory, good to see you, my friend. >> Good to see you, man. >> World's on fire. >> World is on fire. Good time for you to. come in.

>> I mean, I literally uh I mean, talked. about being addicted to your scroll. I. got to really put the [ __ ] phone down. sometimes. >> I know. Yeah. It's not good. >> No, >> it's not good for your brain to see all. the problems of the world all piling and. everything looks like it's about to blow. up. >> Yeah. >> Iran looks like it's about to blow up. They're talking about going to Cuba. Don. Lemon went to jail. [laughter] It's like. it's all crazy. It's it's like what's. next? Well, you know, when jail gives. you lemons. Um, it and it's also like.

what what's that whole theory about? We're only supposed to be exposed to. like 200 people in our life. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Dunar's. number. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, you only can keep that many. people in your head, >> but you should only know about that many. divorces and that much cheating and that. much killing as would happen within 200. >> crime and fill in the blank. you know, fraud, waste, abuse, international. politics, restrictions on speech in. England. Like,

>> yeah, >> you say this [ __ ] crazy story. This. guy in England, uh, an illegal alien was. a squatter in his house. The court ruled. that because he didn't live in the. house. The guy didn't live in the house. It was an empty house. They gave him the. house. They gave the squatter the house. The squatter sold it for 540 grand. [laughter]. squatter sold his house, took his house. cuz he was living and this guy was like. a pensioner. >> He was just a guy who had like an extra.

house, like a [ __ ] investment. property. >> You're right. >> And this guy moved into it. Have you. seen it, Jamie? >> I'm seeing something from a year ago. >> I don't know. Somebody sent it to me. today. >> They had that in New York back [snorts]. in the 70s and 80s. There was a lot of. empty units like down on the Lower East. Side, like Tomkin Square Park area. There was a lot of squatting. >> Yeah, this is it. [laughter]. Squatter moved in the pensioners's empty. home, then won the legal right to keep. it and sold the house for 500 I guess. 540. Uh, is that euros or pounds? Is.

that pounds? What's that weird? >> Yeah, England has pounds. >> That's [ __ ] crazy. That's so crazy. England has lost its [ __ ] mind. Yeah. >> It's almost like they want people to. either revolt or completely submit. It's. one or the other. It's like you're. either begging for a revolution or. you're begging for people to completely. submit. >> They've arrested 12,000 people this year. for social media posts.

>> Oh, that's right. >> And most of it is criticizing. immigration. Just criticizing. immigration. Just saying immigration. sucks. We should send these people back. home. >> Cops show up at your door. >> Right. Right. >> Crazy. Well, Tik Tok is now not allowing. people to post anything that is. anti-ICE. >> Not that. Not just that. You can't post. the juice box emoji. >> What's that? >> Cuz it's code for Jews. Cuz people were using it cuz they were. they were blocking content where they. were criticizing Israel.

>> Wait, why is the juice box Jews? >> I don't know. >> Juice juice. [laughter]. It is funny. >> But did they block the use this is. somebody sent me this. I haven't. verified this. Did they block the use of. the word Epstein? >> I saw I mean I saw I don't I'm not on. the app, but I saw a video of someone. like trying you know. >> Yeah, let's run that through Perplexity. >> and ask if it's. >> see if Perplexity will rat out Tik Tok,

[laughter]. >> right? Cuz that's um. >> it's [snorts] so crazy that they would. do it because they just purchased it, right? So it was just purchased by um. some what what is the group is it did. Larry Ellison's group purchase it? >> Yes. >> Okay. Which is tremendous supporter of. Netanyahu in Israel, >> right? >> So yeah, there you go. So you got. censored news now. So any criticism of. Palestine, what's going on in Gaza, all. that stuff's going to get squashed. probably. Tik Tok says does not have a.

rule that bans or blocks the word epste. across the app, but many US users have. recently been unable to send that word. in direct messages. Now, I have a friend, his name is Bobby. Epstein. Totally unrelated. He's the guy. who owns the Kota racetrack. He's a good. friend of mine. I can't send a message. saying, "I was just talking to my friend. Bobby Epstein.". >> Oh, no [ __ ]. >> That's crazy. Epstein is a super common. name. Yeah, >> that's a super. It's like Jones. >> It was on Welcome Back Carter,

>> right? Epstein from Welcome Back Carter. That's right. >> You can't talk about that. >> Play my brother on news radio. >> No. >> Yes. Him, Nick Depollo, and Brian Callen. played my brothers and we all just beat. the [ __ ] out of each other than the. entire episode. It was hilarious. Yeah. Nick threw me through a plate glass. window and then the brother shows up. The Epstein was a priest and he showed. up with a bat. We were all scared of our. older brother. [laughter]. >> It was really funny. >> He was the Jew, the Puerto Rican Jew. from from Brooklyn. He was great. He was. a really nice guy, too. Um, so what else. does it say here?

>> Nuent to probe claims of Trump critical. censorship on Tik Tok. I think [snorts]. they're [ __ ] blocking a lot of things. on on certain social media platforms. I. mean, >> what is that? I mean, what's your big. picture take on whether or not [snorts]. social media platforms which are. privately owned have responsibility. that say regular broadcast networks. would have in terms of not censoring. things. >> Well, regular broadcast problem is they. censor things, right? They don't just.

report on the news. They report on what. they decide they're going to report on. Like if it's a CNN hourly news segment, they have no responsibility to tell you. about any particular story. None. Zero. >> Yeah. So they'll wait till something. becomes like unmanageable before they'll. start talking about it, right? So. something like starts getting traction. on social media like some sort of a. corruption scandal. >> If it's a left-wing scandal, they can. ignore it, right? And they have no. obligation to it's not like we have to. tell you about these very crit. It's not.

like, you know, we ran it through AI. There's 20 things that the American. public has to know about. So they censor. or at least they curate the content. I. think for social media platforms, if. Elon Musk didn't buy Twitter, we would. be [ __ ] because there would be no. place where you could say whatever you. want, even heinous things, right? But if. someone says heinous things, you can. block them and not interact with them. And you can let other people tear them. down and tear them apart. And that's how. it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be.

you don't counter hate speech with. censorship. You counter it with better. speech. And you appeal to rational. people and and insensible people that. go, "This is why this guy is wrong. This. is why racism is wrong. This is why rash. generalizations are wrong. This is why. it's wrong.". >> Yeah. >> And that's how you're supposed to do it. It's supposed to be a free speech town. hall platform. It's supposed to be like. the town square where everybody can get. together and talk about ideas. And. that's how it should be, >> right? And there's been a lot of calls.

that say that you shouldn't be able to. be anonymous on social media, that you. should have consequences for your. actions. The problem with that is then. you lose all your whistleblowers, right? all the whistleblowers that are talking. about giant corporations that are doing. horrible things to the environment. secretly in other countries which we. find out about all the time like the. Steven Dawzinger case where that guy got. arrested about he he was uh prosecut was. it Exxon. >> the Dinger case. >> but it's like whistleblowers are. important yes you know and if you don't.

have whistleblowers you don't find out. like if Edward Snowden doesn't come out. we know so little about the NSA we know. so little about government spying and. yeah, he's an American former attorney. known for his legal battle. Oh, Chevron, particularly with uh so he was arrested. and he went to jail, man, for criminal. contempt. >> I mean, that's first amendment, isn't. it? [sighs]. >> You know, I don't know exactly the. details of the case. He spent 45 days in.

prison and a combined total of 993 days. under house arrest. Wow. Not only do. they go to jail, it depletes all your. savings. If they decide to prosecute. you, your life is ruined. >> That's part of the point of it all. It's. to also discourage other people from. doing the same thing. So, if you're an. attorney and you're thinking of. prosecuting, you know, Shell, you're not. going to do that now. You go, "Fuck. this." You know, I have a [ __ ] house. >> trying to buy a Porsche, [laughter]. >> right?

>> And then you back out of it. >> Yeah. Right. you know, >> I mean, uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's a it's. a it's a weird thing because like I. know, uh, like right now to cover the. Pentagon, no journalist can go into the. Pentagon unless they sign an agreement. to only put out government sponsored. press releases, >> government approved or. >> government approved. >> So now you've got very few people inside. the Pentagon, which is where the.

whistleblowing was happening. in the. back halls of the Pentagon. >> That's crazy. But then you see the. problem with the Pentagon is you're. talking about national security. And if. someone released something like the name. of an agent that was undercover. somewhere and something happened, that. person got killed or compromised or some. sort of a national security interest, you know, was the the whole thing was. tanked. >> Yeah, >> that's a the Pentagon's different. I. mean, I'm not saying that they.

that the press shouldn't have access to. Pentagon officials. They certainly. should, but it's like going there is. kind of different, right? >> It's like the FBI just arrested. They. just had a giant sweep on gangs in this. country today. They just released that. they found like. >> I think it was 10 kilos of drugs. They. arrested people cartels in in America. Yeah. >> And so they made a giant arrest today. I. think they arrested 200. see if you can. find what that story is. But like. imagine.

if you were in the FBI office and you. heard about an imminent attack and you. printed something like if you're a. reporter and you're covering the stuff. and you have access to this information. somehow and it gets released and these. guys find out about it and they they. skate. >> They nabbed. >> Latin Kings. >> 50 Latin Kings in Operation Broken Crown. after three months uh sweep. So what is. the details of it? Okay. Last three months, the FBI's. quietly executed.

>> Sorry. >> Okay. Um this is on X. Uh quietly. executed Operation Broken Crown, a. sweeping violent gang takedown involving. 13 field offices targeting the Latin. Kings gangs members which uh were. publicly threatening law enforcement. officers. 50 arrests, $200,000 in seized. assets, seizure of 10 kilos of illicit. narcotics. Interesting. Interesting.

Well, so like that kind of a situation, you can't have access to that. information before they do it. That has. to be very tight lipped, you know, but. there's only a few of those kind of. scenarios that I can imagine. But when. it comes to like politicians and. backdoor deals, like there should be. live footage of it. It should be. >> You only found out about the bomb the. illegal bombings in Cambodia because. there was a whistleblower inside of the.

Pentagon. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> So it does You do need some access. >> Yeah. But it's like Well, you need. whistleblowers, right? Right. >> But it's like how many pe There's here's. the thing about like intelligence. agencies and there's a lot of good. people that are working there. It's like. we judge them based on the evil people. that are probably the ones with the most. power, >> you know. >> Yes. >> There's probably a lot of like midlevel. people working at the Pentagon, working. at the C, working everywhere that are.

good people. >> Oh, are you kidding me? These are people. that have dedicated their lives to. trying to, you know, I I same way with. cops. I think you know I got I got three. good buddies that are cops and they are. absolutely went into it the same the way. a social worker goes into it. >> and then there's evil ones that uh. >> you know I think it was worse I think I. think back like you know back in the. days of like Serpico you see that movie. like it was literally like the entire. force was in on it. >> you know there was [ __ ] legal.

gambling legal drug dealing nobody got. touched. >> Yep. Yep. Yeah. They've always done. that. I mean, that's how they ran the. mob in Vegas. >> Yeah. >> The mob ran Vegas with the cops. >> Oh, yeah. We're just talking about that. outside. Like, why was Vegas and. Atlantic City the only places allowed? I. don't know why I stupidly asked that. Like, Jamie's like, "Cuz of the mob, asshole.". >> [ __ ] [laughter] duh. Well, it was the. mob and I think Nevada there was also. see if this is true. Um there was.

supposedly a connection between uh the. testing of nuclear weapons and then. allowing the city or the state rather to. have gambling cuz Nevada was one of the. rare places where they. >> like routinely tested nuclear weapons. I. don't know if you've ever seen the video. that shows a history of all the atomic. bombs going off in the United States. The video is crazy because it starts. with the first test. Starts with the.

Trinity test. Starts they do the couple. in the ocean. What's the matter? What's. so funny? >> Uh just the way this is worded. >> What is it? >> I asked if there's a connection between. nuclear test and gambling in Las Vegas. And turns out, yeah, they would use it. as a theme to attract gamblers. >> What? [laughter]. >> Look, come see a bomb. >> Yeah. From the early 1950s to the 1960s, Las Vegas casinos and tourism promoters. actively used nearby nuclear weapons. tests as themed attractions to draw.

gamblers and visitors. Holy [ __ ] man. >> Bomb parties. >> It's like. >> Oh my [laughter] god. They had bomb. parties on the rooftop. They would watch. They'd stay up gambling, drinking, and. then stepped outside to watch the blast. on the horizon. >> Wow. With your. >> atomic cocktail, >> dude. It's like how Caesars does. fireworks now. >> They had atomic themed promotions, atomic cocktails, atomic hairdos, nuclear pinup imagery like Miss Aatomic. Blast, [laughter].

slogans like Atomic City USA and Up and. Adam atom to tie the test directly to. Vegas nightife and gambling culture. Holy [ __ ] man. >> I wonder if you could place bets, >> dude. I bet your eyebrows sing off. I. don't know if they had the same thing. like what they have now with modern. prediction betting. Prediction betting. you could bet on pretty much everything. >> I just made a bet last night on uh. >> go back down to where you were stop go. with the bottom line. In short, nuclear. weapons tests near Las Vegas were not.

just a backdrop. They were deliberately. woven into casino marketing, party. culture, and tourism that supported the. city's gambling economy. But did it have. uh the reason like here here's my. question. Was. was Nevada allowed to have gambling. because of them allowing nuclear tests? Like was there any sort of an agreement? Cuz there's only two states at that time. that allowed casinos, like real casinos,

>> right? >> And it it seems kind of weird that one. one of them, you know, New Jerseyy's. always been [ __ ] corrupt. That's the. Sopranos. like the most mobridden [ __ ] state in. the country at the time. >> based in Atlantic City pretty much. >> Yeah. I mean, cut the [ __ ] [ __ ]. >> Atlantic City. >> And then Vegas was Bugsy Seagull, right? >> Okay. Well, since Nevada legalized most. forces of gambling in 31. Okay. So, it. doesn't make any sense because it's. before that. >> So, it's the Great Depression economic.

measure track tours. >> So, no. So, that that theory doesn't. hold up, >> right? I didn't know that Vegas was. started in 31. That's nuts. >> So, basically, the Great Depression. started and then they launched Vegas as. a as a way to raise money, >> which is You have no money. [laughter]. >> There's no jobs. Why don't you gamble? What? >> My gamble is going to the food line, seeing if I can get a loaf of bread. That's my gamble today. >> You know what's crazy is that lake keeps. drying up because they were having a.

drought. They keep finding bodies in the. lake. >> Oh, no [ __ ]. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. like like those. metal barrels with like bodies inside of. them. They've they found quite a few of. them. How many bodies have they found? Is it Lake Me, I believe. >> Yeah. So, as it's drying up, it's at. like It was I think it's probably picked. up a little bit, but at one point in. time was at a historic low. Yeah. >> And so, they were finding these [ __ ]. dead bodies. >> I think they found like a half a dozen. of them. And I think they think there's. a whole lot more in there. >> No [ __ ]. >> As of last reporting, at least six.

separate discoveries of human remains. Yeah. Were made in Lake me in 2022 as. the water level dropped rep representing. at least several different individuals. Wow. Um, find out that thing where they. stopped uh searching for guns and. bodies. I think it was in MacArthur Park. and why they did that. David Tal back in. his insomniac days used to hang he hung. out with some dark [ __ ] in New. York. >> and he used to bring this guy in who was. uh he was a New York City cop and they.

basically said we'll double your pay and. give you early retirement if you put on. a frog suit every night and you go out. into I think it was Flushing Bay one of. the bays out in Queens which was a. famous place where the mob was dropping. bodies and uh the guy would go went to. the water in a frog suit and he'd wait. by this bridge and when they drop a body. he'd [ __ ] call it in. And he did that. the night shift and he'd finish that and.

he'd come into the comedy cellar at like. 4:00 a.m. >> So he'd wait in the ocean in a scuba. suit and then drop a body. >> Yeah. >> HOLY [ __ ] THEY WERE dropping that many. bodies. >> that you can just wait for. [laughter]. >> That's so crazy. Search in MacArthur Park for guns and. possible bodies was stopped because. authorities said it was an unpermitted. and potentially unsafe operation on city. park property. Uh, okay. So, it was a.

businessman. So, it was a private thing. So, that's probably what it was. So, officials official reasons given. Organizers led by businessman John I. don't know how to spell his name. A L E. How do you say that? Alle. uh planned to use sonar and remotely. operated vehicles to look for weapons. and human remains in the lake. Los. [snorts] Angeles park rangers halted the. effort before the sonar entered the. water, saying the team did not have the. required permits or clearances. Okay. Why didn't you guys do that.

though? If you really think if this guy. really thinks that there could be bodies. and guns in the lake, why wouldn't you. guys search for bodies and guns if. someone could search for it? >> Right? It seems like there's probably a. lot of people missing, a lot of crimes. that could be solved, a lot of resources. that have already been spent on cases. You could probably get to the bottom of. a lot of things. [snorts]. Uh, Alle, I don't know how to say his. name, uh, said families of missing. people, some of whom were last seen near. MacArthur Park, had reached out to him. for help, which inspired the idea of a.

large-scale sonar search of the lake. There is there's evidence down there for. crimes, he said. We'll identify it with. photography, and the city will have to. extract it. It also could be these are. homeless people and the government. doesn't give a [ __ ] Yeah, >> they can't swim. >> Yeah, >> come on. They were kids once. >> It's hard to swim when you're on meth. [laughter] You get bad cardio. >> You know, if one guy says, "This is the. last day I do meth. Today I get in. shape." He tries to swim across the lake. and [ __ ] strokes out in the middle of.

it. >> This is my day. >> Uh, never gave him. Oh, geez. I'm in. there. What are they saying about me? >> That's just an art. It's an ad. >> Oh, it's an ad. That's basic. Yeah, that's an ad down at the bottom. >> Oh, that I mocked the AI generated. That. was That was crazy. The AI generated. photo that MSNB put MSNBC put up of the. guy who got shot in Minneapolis. They. changed his appearance. >> Alex Prey. >> Yes, >> they changed his appearance. And we're. handsome. >> Oh, they did. [sighs].

>> You haven't seen it? >> No. >> You have to see it. You have to see it. It's there. I don't know who's doing. this. >> No. It's almost like like someone from. the Republican side is like a a secret. plant at MSNBC because they know that. stuff like this is going to get caught. Look at the difference between the one. on the left and one on the right. >> Well, the nose looks blurry on the one. on the left. >> Well, that's his nose. That's what he. looks like. It's just a shitty picture. But they cleaned the picture up. They. made his nose smaller. They gave him a. tan. They made his forehead shorter.

They made his jaw wider. They made his. shoulders thicker. >> Yeah. They gave him more bicep. They. made him more handsome. They made his. neck thicker. >> He looks better. >> Yep. >> The guy on the right looks like a. good-look guy. The guy on the left. looks, you know, like Ari's unfortunate. brother, [laughter]. >> doesn't he? [laughter]. Poor Ari's brother. You I mean, it's so. funny that Ari comes from this family. I.

mean, he grew up Orthodox Jewish, right? >> Oh, yeah. and the things that he has put. out there um for a family to have to see. it makes you realize and they love him. like they accept it and it it's it's all. about grace and I love Jews because like. they are very accepting you know as much. as you might be orthodox I find my my. wife is half Jewish and there's. something very open-minded about Jews I.

mean they were the original hippies and. they were the original communist s in. America and they were always open to. different ideas. And I think when I. think about Ari's family, if they were. Christian conservative versus Jewish. conservative, I don't know that they'd. be as accepting of him. >> You know, Ari's dad survived the. Holocaust. >> No [ __ ]. >> Oh, yeah. Ari's dad has a tattoo. >> Damn. >> Yeah. >> He's very old. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. >> He must be one of the oldest people left.

with a tattoo. I mean, >> yeah. He talked to me about having his. dad on. He asked me if I'd be interested. in it. If his dad ever wants to do it. because, you know, he doesn't have much. time left. And uh I said, "Absolutely.". And he goes, you know, let me I'm not. sure if he would be interested in it, but if he did, I think it would be. important to talk about. >> I mean, he's got to be over 100 years. old. >> I don't know how old he is. Uh he's old, though. Well, how long ago was. >> You would have to have been born. Oh, no. Actually, if he was born in 1935, >> I think he's in his 80s. his late 80s.

>> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. What am I thinking? Right. Right. Because they tattooed the. [ __ ] kids. >> Yeah. >> Jesus. >> Yeah. It's dark. It's horrible. It's so. crazy, dude. It's It's so crazy that. that was less than a hundred years ago. [sighs]. >> I know. I know. And uh the Germans like. that [laughter] [ __ ] Nor McDonald bit. about how you know Germany is the. country we really should be afraid of. like the way they start world wars and. what they're like it's really [ __ ].

nuts. >> Well they were the barbarians back in. the day. >> Oh right. >> you know they the I mean we think of now. as engineers they make BMWs. >> but back then they were the barbarians. during the Roman era. The Vikings were. Scandinavian and then they were fighting. against the. >> Bro, the Germans were [ __ ]. terrifying. >> Yeah, >> they were terrifying. And they all. became engineers. [laughter]. >> They became like brilliant. >> like very disciplined people which is. interesting cuz Germany is known for. that. And but also [ __ ] porn. Remember.

like in the early days of the internet a. lot of the [ __ ] porn like weird crazy. like [ __ ] on people. A lot of that. was come and we were trying to analyze. it one day and I was like it's probably. because if you're so buttoned down and. so disciplined and regimented and. conservative in your daily life, the way. you cut loose, it's like you [ __ ] in. each other's mouths and [ __ ] each other. in the butt. And like some of the. craziest [ __ ] porn was coming out of. Germany. Yeah. This is like late 90s,

early 2000s when we first started like. finding weird websites that would, you. know, you'd be able to find things on. >> Oh, no. Before that, I'd go to Sex World. in New York where you sit in those. booths and you put in quarters and you. watch porn and they always had the. darkest German porn in there. >> Really? >> Yeah. A lot of animals and [ __ ] And I'm. like I'm like 15 years old going like. and and I've got these coins. You go in. and you give the guy 10 bucks and he. gives you a handful of coins. Just. imagine if you put a black light on. those [ __ ] coins and I got them in my.

hand. >> God, just jizz all over those things. >> Speeding them into the And. >> lights are terrifying. >> I kept pushing buttons to pick which. film to watch. >> I have a friend who brought a black. light into a hotel room. He said, "You. just find jizz on the carpet." No. kidding. You find jizz on the [ __ ]. blanket. Sometimes you go to any like go. to a cheap hotel or a motel. How well do. you think they're clean those carpets? You think they clean the walls? I've. been in hotels where they put the remote. control in a baggie for you because that. they say that's the most No, no, because.

so you don't have to touch the the. remote and then they change the baggie. on the remote each time a new guest. comes in. >> So you're supposed to remote through the. baggie. Yeah. >> Who does that? >> I take it out of the bag right out. Yeah, that's crazy. >> Yeah, >> that's ridiculous. I'm touching toilet. seats. I'm touching everything. What are. we talking about here? [laughter]. >> I'm also not that afraid to come, you. know. It's going to kill you. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, that's just kind of gross. But. >> yeah, >> you know, I mean, think about how much. [ __ ] is on the average person's cell.

phone. Have you ever heard of that? >> No. >> Yeah. Just touch your cell phone with a. swab. Like, get a a swab and get get it. analyzed. You'll find feal matter all. over your cell phone. >> because we're scrolling while we're on. the toilet. >> A lot of people are. Yeah. A lot of. people. And also, you're touching things. and then you touch your phone. And how. many people touch their ass then touch a. thing, a doorork knob, a this and that? You're getting fecal matter on. everything. >> Yeah. >> Especially if you have a cat. >> I used to think about that all the time. when I had cats. Like the cats are in. the [ __ ] box. They're scratching around.

there and then they're walking on your. counter. Yeah. >> They're walking. They you know they. don't give a [ __ ] where they go. They go. everywhere and you don't care. You're. like, "Hey buddy." You pet them when. they're on the counter. You [ __ ] in. their paws. >> Then then he then your dog licks his. [ __ ] and then licks and then people. have lick their face. >> They lick my face. >> Really? >> Oh yeah. >> No. I let him give me kisses. [laughter]. Have you seen him lick his [ __ ]. >> I have. >> for sure. Especially my puppy. I have a. little puppy now. >> Imagine a black light on your face right. now. >> My puppy goes right. You know, I have a.

little uh. >> You look like you were in blackface. >> probably. [laughter] There's a splatter. like like I'm the Joker. >> Also go I have a puppy like a He's a. King Charles Cavalere. He's a little. tiny cute. He's so [ __ ] cute. Uh, and. then I have the golden retriever. And. the puppy runs right up to the golden. retriever, sticks his face in his dick, and then sticks his face in his [ __ ]. That's the first thing he does to him. every time. Face on the dick, face on. the [ __ ] I'm like, "Bro.". >> Wow. >> What are you doing? >> Yeah.

>> They That's just dogs. >> Yeah. >> That's what they do. >> It's funny how they keep Yeah. I had two. dogs and they did that. Yeah. Every. [ __ ] day they sniffed each other. like, you know, I mean, I guess that's how they know if. something changed. Maybe they know if. the other dog is sick or if the other. dog is breeding with another dog. It's. like kind of checking their emails. >> Well, they get so much information from. smell that we can't even possibly. process. >> They say that a dog can smell a. cheeseburger. They don't just smell the. cheeseburger. They smell every.

individual ingredient. They smell the. mustard. They smell the pickle. They. smell everything. They smell the. lettuce. >> Yeah. They they smell They smell They. think that dogs smell anxiety. >> They smell like moods. That's why when. certain people come over your house, they're scared of dogs. Dogs get sketchy. with them. Like, what the [ __ ] up with. this guy? Like, oh, he doesn't like you. Yeah. >> Like, it's cuz the person's probably. nervous. They're giving off a scent, >> right? No. My mom, her sister was. attacked really bad by a dog when they. were little. So, my mom has this trauma. about dogs. We had these little [ __ ].

We had a Shih Tzu and a Lassa Absa. They're just little dogs. She was. terrified. And the dogs would growl at. her and they didn't growl at anybody. >> Oh my god. Yeah. That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. Yeah, it's they smell. things. They sense things. >> Yeah. >> That's why people have them as guards. >> I mean, that's their that's how they. that's how they made it, right? >> To be dogs. They were the wolves that. hung out with us and would let us know. when something's going down. >> Sentinels. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's uh Well, I I have a very.

strong olfactory sense. Like I'm very of. my five senses, I would put it up there. at the top. Like I I love perfume. >> Really? >> I love perfume. I don't like when women. wear too much of it and then they hug. you at the comedy store and then you go. home and you smell like [ __ ]. [laughter] perfume. You're like, "Honey, it's just Whitney Cummings has this new. [screaming] Chanel." [laughter]. But like sometimes I'll be I'll walk. I'll I'll be sitting somewhere and I'll. smell some nice perfume and I'll [ __ ].

whip my head around. It's like some. 81year-old woman hunched over and you're. like, "Oh." They wear that old ladies, no matter how old they are, they'll. still put on the makeup. They'll still. put on the perfume. done. >> Let it out. [laughter]. Time to go out and see go fishing. See. if this old bait can catch a bass. >> Yeah. Right. Right. Yeah. There's this. bar up at my uh where my mom lives in in. Florida and there's this bar and it's. like a famous cougar bar [laughter] and.

it's all these rich women who's cuz you. know men die faster, >> right? It's like it's impossible for a. woman in Florida who's in her 70s to. find a guy who's, you know, anywhere. near her age. She's got to date a guy in. his late 80s if she's in her 70s. >> Wow. >> And so these women go to this bar and. they are, like you said, they're wearing. so a lot of leopards, a lot of leopard. print. >> Yeah. They're letting you know. >> that stiletto heels. It's like stiletto. heels, but the the toes are all twisted. and mangled.

>> My wife [laughter] has been watching. this horrible show that's on Netflix. It's like uh one of those housewife. shows, but it's all West Palm Beach. ladies. It's all these like rich ladies. with plastic surgery. >> Palm Beach, not West Palm. Palm Beach. That's right. Palm Beach ladies with Is. Palm Beach the rich area? Yeah. Is West. Palm like the more moderate area? >> No. No, it's poor. >> It's poor West Palm Beach. >> I mean, well, it has it has good. sections, but it has with the people. that work on Palm Beach cleaning the. houses live in West Palm Beach.

>> Oh, I see. I see. Because there's. basically Palm Beach is a bridge to get. to Do you know the history of Palm. Beach? >> No. >> They built. >> I do. Yeah, but go ahead. >> They created it. It was like a sandbar. that they built up and then they hired. they didn't hire they hired a bunch of. black people to come on the island and. build all the houses, the. infrastructure. >> Black people. >> I don't know. I. >> mean, for sure they only hired black. people. >> I mean, look it up, Jamie. But like all. I know is there was a lot of black.

people doing the building. They finished. it and then the island held a big party. for the black people on the end of the. island to celebrate and then they. torched all their houses. >> and forced them off the island. Yeah. That's the history of Palm Beach. >> They torched their houses. >> Torched the houses. >> after they were done building the. mansions. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> And it's the probably the wealthiest. piece of real estate in the country. right now. >> How many people are [ __ ] evil? [laughter]. That's so imagine a guy built your.

house. He's at home with his kid. >> having a, you know, wow, what a great. job I got. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> and then I get to start here beautiful. to live in this place. I helped build. these beautiful mansions that we. >> People are going to love me because I. helped them create a life. >> Oh my god. And they lit their [ __ ]. houses on fire. Pull up that story. I. need to hear about that. That's crazy. >> But these ladies are just monsters. This. is it's just all like the social status. It's all like who's got the most money.

Like they don't even know how much money. I have, you know? Like I'm a. millionaire. >> And they have these clubs. My my. friend's father lives there and he. belongs to a club. >> Oh, you got to belong to. >> And he he worked for I won't say who the. person was, but a very famous Jewish. family. And he uh she went to lunch one. day at one of these clubs that didn't. allow Jews. And the waiter. >> clubs still don't allow Jews. >> No, this is going back 20 years at the. most. >> Only 20 years ago. >> 20 years ago. >> So in 2006,

2006 probably those clubs. Yeah. Well, you know the where the ma Augusta where. they play the Masters only started. allowing black members in like the 80s. Remember Tiger Woods was playing there. and he got [ __ ] because he was a black. playing at a club where they didn't. allow black people. >> Really? >> And they said, "How could you do that?". Yeah. Tiger Woods lifetime. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> So anyway, so this Jewish woman goes to. the club. The waiter wouldn't come over. to the table. And finally the member.

went over and goes, "What's going? We. can't we can't serve can't serve her. >> How' they even know she was Jewish?". >> She's famous. >> Oh, yeah. >> I think I can say who it is. It was. Estee Lauder's wife. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Or was Este Estee Lauder the woman? >> Yeah. I don't know. >> Estee Lauder is the the woman. It was. her. >> Wow. >> One of the richest women in the country. >> Wow. >> We can't we can't serve her because of. her religion.

>> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Wow. And that was 2006. >> Hey, the country clubs, you know, the. the rule on it was Well, look, the. friars club. >> We need to make sure that's true. >> That the Estee Lauder one. I definitely. want to find out about the blood. burning. >> Well, the Estee Lauder is personal. information. I don't know that that. that's not published anywhere. >> All right. forget about that then. >> But uh but no, segregation in clubs, private clubs used to get away with that. until I was a member of the Friars Club. in New York and they did not allow.

female members until I was there in. it was the late mid 90s before the. Friars Club allowed female members. And. the reason was legally you can't have a. club exclude people if you can prove. business is being done there. uh. >> if there's commerce, >> if there's no business, you can let in. whoever you want, >> right? >> So, that's how they got female members. in there. And I think they probably I. mean, obviously, business is being done. at golf clubs. >> Well, business is definitely being done. at the Friars Club.

>> I mean, a lot of deals probably got made. there. A lot of ideas got hatched. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, all these comics, all. agent, it was agents and comics. >> I remember you used to love that place, >> dude. It was so [ __ ]. >> You always tell me about it. I It was so. unappealing to me. It was a it was a clubhouse for. comedians. We used to go there. They had. pool they had two beautiful pool tables. I played on the Ferrari Club pool team. and my and we used to play against other. clubs in the city. All the other private. clubs. Paul Cervino was my partner in.

pool. >> Paul Cervino could play. >> He was good. >> He was good. He was like a he could run. 100 balls in straight pool. He was a. like a legit like highle player. So he. carried me, but we used to play all the. clubs and then you know and then you get. they got a nice gym with the best steam. room in the city and then they got these. lazy boys. You work out, you take a. [ __ ] steam and you send a lazy boy. and you read the newspaper and then they. got a dining room downstairs where Henny. Youngman is at one table Allan Kings at. the you know and these guys like those.

old those old Borisbell comics they. lived to make you laugh. It's not like. comedians today. So many of them are. dark and quiet and disturbed. These guys. [ __ ] [laughter] told jokes and they. roasted you and they hugged you and it. was like it was like a part of being on. stage almost, you know, it was expected, >> right? They probably all felt real. comfortable in this, you know, comics. only club too, >> right? >> Folklore surrounding the sticks of Palm.

Beach. So that's what it is. >> That's the area what they called it. >> So, um, >> go to the top of that, please. Well, right there, uh, at turn of 20th. century's employment boom of. unprecedented proportions in South. Florida, the hiring of thousands of. black laborers to extend Henry Flagler's. Florida East Coast Railroad. Oh, this is. the East Coast Railroad. Um, these laborers played a key role in. the development of the early Palm Beach. Also helped to build the Royal Pointiana. Hotel, Flaggler's White Hall residence,

which is today known as the Henry. Flaggler Museum. Uh laborers and their families settled. in Palm Beach Island between North. County Road and Sunrise Avenue. This. area of shanties and tent-like homes. soon became known as the sticks. Many of. those descendants still live in the area. today. So what happened? Does it say. what happened? >> Okay. Along came a fellow named Henley. Flagler who decided he needed that land. to build on to develop. Little said, and.

he threw a party for all the blacks on. the island. And they all went over to. the party. And while they were. celebrating and enjoying themselves, their homes on the island of the town of. Palm Beach burned down mysteriously. Holy [ __ ] dude. >> Yeah. From what I heard, McCrae said he. got with the residents and set up a. party on West Palm Beach side and had. everybody fed over to the party and then. had a mob of people to burn up people's. homes and shanties and tents all over.

the sticks and forced them out of there. and took the land. How many people died? >> Uh there I don't know how many people. died. It says they were all gone. So. there's around. >> Right. But what about their kids? >> Around 200 people live in that area is. what it said. >> Oh my god. >> And then this is the problem. When I was. looking it up on Wikipedia, this is. basically what I read. Okay. Palm Beach. Historical Society version is very. different. Published text only says that. by 1912 the this tenants of the sticks. had been evicted. Well, that doesn't. mean anything. They could have still. been there, especially.

>> flag threw some money at the Palm Beach. Historical Society. >> Yeah, of course. Right. No mention of a. fire, any record of large-scale. homelessness that would have followed. such a devastating blaze. Everly Clark. believes his version is the most. accurate. The sticks was actually. legislated out of existence. They. claimed there was a fire and Flaggler. had the people come to circus and all. that, but that's not true. Still, more. than a century later, the urban legend. remains strong and the pulse of public. opinion split. There are so many. historical facts that make some of the.

scurless removal of the residents. believable that it's become lore for the. most part in the black community. All. right. Well, let's find out if there's a. historical record of the fires. >> That's this is all I could get to was. this is a local news. And what year was. this supposedly? >> Like 1920 1912. >> Yeah, I bet they did. I think. >> I mean, look what they did in uh uh. Tulsa, Oklahoma, >> right? >> You know, this is this was part of the. playbook, >> right? Well, look what they did with the. Tuskegee experiment,

>> right? >> Look at that. Like, how about that? They. they knowingly had all these people with. syphilis and didn't treat them just to. study them to see what would happen to. them. Yeah. >> Did they give people syphilis or did. they just treat them for syphilis? I. don't know. >> Whatever it was, they let these [ __ ]. people rot and die. And syphilis is a. [ __ ] horrible disease. >> Tell me about it. >> Did you get it? [laughter]. >> Do you know the story about syphilis and. wigs? >> No. >> You don't know that? >> No. >> All those dudes in like uh the ancient. times that had the big wigs, that was to.

cover up their hair loss from syphilis. >> Dude, how did not everybody have it? >> Well, they all had wigs. They all had it. back then. In high society, first of. all, those people were basically like. Game of Thrones. They were all just. [ __ ] freaks banging each other. You. know, French French society has always. been like very loose sexually. >> And so these two uh royals, were they. brothers or cousins? >> They were brothers and double checking. >> So these guys get syphilis, their hair. falls out, right? You get holes in your.

face and [ __ ] and they're still [ __ ]. everybody, right? And so they got wigs. made and the more money you had, the. more elaborate and big your wig was. That's why rich people are bigwigs. >> No. >> Yes. >> I love it. >> Isn't that crazy? >> Wow. >> Crazy. That term that we always used. when we were kids. Oh, he's a big wig. >> Yeah. >> That's like ancient. [laughter]. That goes back to the 1400s. >> That's like something you would hear on.

that guy Cody Tucker's feed. >> I love that guy. >> I'm doing his podcast. Oh, he's online. He's He's great. He's great. Very smart. guy. Yeah. Here's what's interesting. There's real there's a strong connection. between the syphilis that evolved in. North America and the syphilis that. these guys had in Europe. Like there's. always been syphilis, but syphilis had. an outbreak in Europe after people came. to North America, probably [ __ ] a.

bunch of Native Americans, and then went. back to Europe with these [ __ ]. diseases, >> and then it mutated. >> It's a different kind of syphilis. >> Wow. Oh yeah, >> they were cousins. It turns out. >> they were cousins. Yeah, that's what I. thought. >> And his cousin, >> this is a story. They were commonly used. to cover up hair loss, but their use did not become widespread. until two kings started to lose their. hair. [laughter]. King Louis the 14th of France. experienced hair loss at the age of 17, then hired 48 wig makers, >> 48. >> to help combat his thinning locks. So,

[laughter] a lot of these guys wound up. getting syphilis and there was, you. know, normal hair loss on top of it. Both conditions being sypholytic. signals. Everybody had syphilis back then, man. There's I mean, they probably didn't. wear condoms. They're probably all. freaks. They're probably doing. >> Yes. >> I mean, that's what you did when you. were a wealthy guy. You went to the wh. house all the time. Then you came home. and you gave it to your wife. Then she. had a baby and a lot depending on the. disease, babies are born with the.

sexually transmitted disease that you. gave your wife, >> right? And that's what the crazy thing. about the Epstein leaks today. The the. the one email that he had. >> and we're here. >> that said that [laughter]. that said that Bill Gates wanted to get. from him antibiotics to give to Melinda. because he got syphilis or he got. something the clap, chlamyia, whatever. he got. He got some sort of an STD from. a prostitute. Do you think if she could. have the choice between getting the what. did she get $50 billion or not getting.

the syphilis which. >> well whatever she got I bet it wasn't. syphilis. It was probably the clap. It. was probably chlamydia or something like. that. >> That's no big deal. >> But if if. who knows if that's true though here's. the thing like Epstein clearly was some. sort of a black mailer and this is an. email that Epstein wrote so it could be. complete fiction. Epstein could have. wrote that just to put pressure on Bill. Gates for some [ __ ] business deal. Like, who [ __ ] knows? He could have. spread rumors and then said [snorts].

that he'll squash those rumors. These. guys are dealing in deception and. blackmail and so you can't like. >> assume that it's true. >> Think about how many relationships. Epstein had and that he was working. almost every one of them leveraging. >> He was kind of brilliant. Well, he was. really good at that. Yeah. >> That one thing. You know, guy could have. cured cancer if he went into that. business. >> Well, he was into science. Yeah. >> Well, he was also into compromising.

scientists, right? Like, let's say that. you want to get a drug passed, right? And you want FDA approval of this drug, but it's some sort of a competing drug. Well, you have a bunch of scientists on. your side, and these scientists can go. attack that competing drug. >> And then all of a sudden, well, you have. this guy, he comes from MIT, and he says. this, you're like, oh. And then the FDA. listens to him. I mean, it's very. important to have the leverage of. respected academics, >> right? >> You know, Epstein with a smiley emoji. asks asked former Israeli PM.

>> Ehad Barack, that is how you say his. name, Barack, to clarify he does not. work for the MSAD in a meeting with a. senior Qatari investment official. >> So, the quick thread starts at the. bottom and goes up. >> Oh, okay. Hi. Are you going to be in. London on Thursday? Best EB? >> Right. >> You Oh, unfortunately not. You should. make clear that I don't work for MSAD. Smiley face. >> Oh, >> you or I. Question mark. That I don't.

smiley face. >> Yeah, he doesn't work for him. He just. He just volunteers for them. >> with a smiley smiley face emojis are. hilarious. [laughter]. [ __ ] evil [ __ ] using smiley. face emojis. [laughter]. That's hilarious. >> Right. Right. That's so funny, >> dude. There's this really good show. about MSAD called Tran. Have you heard. of that? >> No. Oh, I have to watch it though. Is it. good? >> It's really good. I mean, it's a really. good look inside of what goes on in Iran.

in terms of. >> I mean, the Israelis are [ __ ]. brilliant. The infiltration that they. did in. >> No one's like them. They're the best. >> Yeah, >> they're the best at that. Well, they. have to be, right? This is them. This. table is people who hate them. >> Yeah. Right. Right. >> You got to become a bad [ __ ]. Your your neighbors don't want you dead. >> Those pagers going off in Lebanon, that. was a that was a long play. >> Months. That was months and months. >> Years. >> Was it years? >> Years. >> Wow. >> Yes. >> Wow. Crazy. They're like the pages right.

next to your [ __ ]. >> Blow your dick off. You blow a hole. through your pelvis apparently. That's. how you die. >> And you're isolating your enemy. You're. not There's no civilian casualties. >> Well, I bet they probably got some kids. But low low percentage versus bombing a. building or something. >> which they did do. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They did some of that like the. guys in the building. >> I was on. >> level the building. >> I was on Good Day LA one time. You know, it's all those like pretty women. They're actually really sharp. They're. great.

>> And uh and I go uh there's they said, "Oh, you came alone." I go, "No, my my. agent's supposed to be here any minute. He's Lebanese. I just paged him before I. got here, but I haven't heard anything. back." And they [ __ ] [laughter] They. were like, "Whoa, it just happened like. three days before. [laughter]. >> Didn't we just not we didn't Israel just. bomb Lebanon today?". >> Oh, really? >> I believe so. Yeah. At least according. to Twitter. >> Well, what's going on in Iran? I heard. things are heating up over there.

>> Well, Trump just said they're sending. ships in that area. And he said, but he. also said Iran wants to make a deal. So. maybe he's trying to put pressure on. them to make a deal. Yeah. And you know, hopefully nothing happens. >> in terms of like military intervention. It's scary [ __ ] dude. Cuz they have. nuclear weapons or they have the. potential to eventually have nuclear. weapons, but you know, I don't know. Did. Israel bomb? >> I'm checking on. it. Yeah, there was uh some image that.

showed like some [ __ ] huge explosion. It said Israel just bombed Lebanon. >> They definitely have recently. >> seen something about air strikes late. Friday. Oh, I guess it'd be late there, right? Yeah, >> it's night time over there. >> Maybe. Yeah. >> No, there's not. I mean, it's If it is, it's like it's just breaking. It's sort. of just hitting the news. Here's some. stuff. Well, the thing is like there.

are, you know, there it is. >> two hours ago. >> Israel bombs Lebanon. Yeah, >> but it's like the only thing I'm seeing. about it, which is. >> Well, [snorts]. >> that doesn't usually happen. >> It's probably all just coming out, right? >> No, I mean, would you type in that on. >> That's all you see is that one. So, that. might not be true. Click on that link. See if anybody's disputing it. >> Uh, >> click on that tweet. >> Only got 15 responses. >> Is this true, Grock? Click on that. Yes, multiple sources indicate uh report. Israeli air air strikes in southern.

Lebanon on January 30th. Uh targeting. Hezbollah IDF compl uh confirmed a wave. of strikes. Lebanese media noted the. drone hit in say that word. How do you say that word? >> Sidikiniken. killing one times of Israel and Sarak. news for details. >> Huh? Shaf Shaf, whatever you say that. is. News for details. And. >> we're so [ __ ] lucky, man. We got no. neighbors. Nobody's launching. >> Well, we're in a good spot. geographically. Be separated by oceans.

on both sides is [ __ ]. >> nice. Which is why we should be really. good friends with Canada. Like, what the. [ __ ] going on? >> Trump ruined that whole thing, man. Because if he didn't talk about turning. Canada into the 51st state, the. Conservatives were going to win. Pierre. Pvette would have taken over. It would. have been like they would have like. eased a lot of the restrictions, made it. a lot more common sense. >> Dude, China was just up there. They just. made a huge deal to get all their cars. from China now. >> We're not going to sell any American. cars in Canada. >> You know, it's a real problem because.

China has some [ __ ] amazing cars. Amazing cars now. >> Y. >> bro, they're not [ __ ] around. Their. electric vehicles are top of the food. chain, man. Tesla just yesterday. They. just uh stopped the Model X uh Model S. and X production. >> I saw that. >> Apparently Elon is this Optimus robot is. going to change the world. >> Yeah. >> Everybody that I know that's seen it, when this thing integrates with AI,

you're going to have a [ __ ] dude in. your house. You're going to have a super. genius robot dude in your house. >> What does he look like? M looks like I. robot and he's going to be able to do. whatever the [ __ ] you need him to do. Go. dig a ditch. Go do this. Take out the. garbage. >> You know what's [ __ ] great is for old. people that live alone. >> 100%. >> They know everything about your life. They could actually hold a conversation. with you. Yes. >> Show pictures of your [ __ ] grandkids. on their chest while they know your. interest. Ask you memories. All All.

people want to do is talk about, you. know, memories and they're going to. listen. >> Yeah. They'll talk to you. Yeah. Not. only that, they'll confirm all of your. delusions. Tesla [laughter] to build 1. million Optimus robots per year at. Fremont factory. 1 million a year. >> I was hearing we need these robots. because they're going to terraform the. moon and Mars. Like, we're not going to. do it. The robots are going to do it. >> I I don't think anybody's going to Mars. Not in our lifetime. I think that's all.

the future. >> It's a little chilly up there. >> It's not just that. It's just like no. one's going to want to do it. You'd have. only suicidal people want to go. >> It's a one-way trip. >> Yeah. Well, you can get back. You can. get back. It used to be a one-way trip. Now they figured out you can get back. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. But you have to wait six months. >> Yeah. >> You get back like every six month. That's that movie The Martian. >> Plus, the flight's going to be delayed, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Or hope you just hope it doesn't get hit. with a micromedor while it's out in. space. >> Uhhuh. >> Like all kinds of weird [ __ ] can happen. You got. >> a micrometeor. >> Micrometeors. Tiny ones are flying around that just.

punch holes through everything. Uh, >> they're going like 170,000 mph and they. just go whipping through the building. >> How much junk is there in space right. now in terms of like satellites that. just crapped out? >> Well, just if you ever looked at the. amount of satellites that surround the. Earth. >> Yeah. >> It's [ __ ] bananas. Yeah. >> It's nuts. And then there's. >> And there's no plan for when they. expire, right? They just stay up there. >> Well, some of them they lose their. orbit. Their orbit decays and then they. come crashing down to the Earth. >> Uhhuh. >> Yeah, that happens. And you know, they.

have to figure out where they're going. to hit, you know, and hopefully they. don't hit the middle of [ __ ] you. know, Dooldorf. You know what [laughter] I mean? Like it. could hit a major city. >> That's such a funny city to say. Delledorf. >> I mean, it could, you know, you got a. [ __ ] satellite down there. It could. land right on your face. >> Yeah. That's wild. >> Yeah. Yeah. I went um to SpaceX for the launch of.

the last rocket. I watched the launch. >> Jamie did too. We were right there. Uh. and uh I went into the control room with. Elon and watched the entire journey. while it was flying over the Earth and. it lands. It touched down in Australia. in the ocean. >> Wow. >> 35 minutes later. >> It was really It was nuts. So it breaks. through the atmosphere, travels, and. then comes straight down space. >> goes and you get to watch because they. have like 20 [ __ ] cameras on the.

thing the entire time live streaming. through Starlink. >> So you're live streaming the interior. They're monitoring the pressure of the. cabin. They're monitoring all these. different things. And so the this is the. way they they test tolerances. It's like. when a lot of people say, "Oh, his. rockets blow up. He's a dumbass." They. want the rockets to blow up. Like they. have to find out like what makes the. rocket blow up. Like how much pressure. can you put? How thin do the walls have. to how reinforced do things have to be? You know, and then they make. adjustments. >> They make adjustments. That's what they. do. Like so they've.

>> they've calculated in a certain amount. of failures that they expect to have. >> Yeah. >> And this one actually had a failure but. still landed. >> So that's going to be the new first. class is going to Australia in 35. minutes. >> Wow. Boom. >> That's crazy. >> Nuts. >> 35 minutes. Touchdown the ocean. >> But a pretty intense ride, I would. imagine. I mean, that's not a smooth. ride. >> They touched down in an exact spot where. they had boats ready. They had cameras.

filming it. >> They they filmed the entire touchdown. >> Does it have to be over the ocean or are. they can they land on land? >> Well, his rockets can now land on land. You've seen how that that thing comes. down and lands on the ground, which is. bananas. And then they stop landing them. on the ground. Now they catch them with. arms. It's even more efficient. You've. seen that, right? >> Well, cuz NASA was wasting so much money. cuz every single rocket was ruined when. it came back. >> Well, you know what's crazy? NASA is. about to launch the Aremis mission and.

no one's talking about it. >> Where is that going? >> Is they're sending people around the. moon. >> and having them come back to Earth and. you hear nothing about it. >> Like, have you heard about it? >> No. >> Me neither. You know how I found out. about it? Somebody asked me at the club, some guy in the audience said, "What do. you think about the Aremis mission?" I. go, "What is it?" He's like, "NASA's got. a a mission that they're flying people. around the moon." I'm like, "When?" He's. like, "February." I'm like, "Come on, really?". >> Well, what's the mission? What are they. trying to do? >> I don't know. Let's find out.

>> Artemis, >> they're not landing on the moon. >> Not this time. >> Okay. >> No, this time I think they're just. flying. >> Isn't it weird? Have we landed on the. moon since the 60s? >> If we ever did in the first place. No. ifious the first place. Yeah, I don't. know if we did. >> I don't know if we did either. >> I don't I used to believe it before co. No, I didn't. I didn't believe it for a. long time and then I said, I'm probably. wrong. I don't know what I'm talking. about. Let me just leave it alone. And. then I I got back into it again and I. was like, but it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense that these.

guys went like Neil Armstrong basically. went into hiding. And then at the 25th. anniversary of the launch, he gave the. most cryptic speech for this team of uh. high school graduates, like these honor. students. Yeah, >> you should see the speech cuz the speech. is nuts. >> And then I went back and watched the. post-flight press conference when they. supposedly landed after they landed on. the moon and came back home. >> It's like a hostage video. It is the the. weirdest behavior. They seem like. they're There's a guy who's a uh body. language expert. He's like, "These guys.

are all being deceptive." He he analyzed. it on YouTube and he's like, "This guy. what he's doing here, like this guy's. being deceptive. This is clear deceptive. behavior." I mean, I've checked it so. many times online and everybody said. it's been refused. But my whole thing is. like, >> but it has. >> it was 1969. I had a 69 Chevy and I used. to drive it from Boston to New York and. it would break down about half the time. [laughter]. >> Yeah, but that's different. That's. different, >> is it? Yeah. >> It's still a [ __ ] It was a gas.

powered engine, >> right? But it could go one If you had to. take one trip with it, it would make it. They were just not that good over time, you know? I mean, how much they weren't. that reliable? >> What was the equivalent. uh computing power that they had on that. Apollo that we would have? Is it our. phone? >> Your phone is way more powerful. Way. more powerful than a room of. supercomputers. However, it doesn't take. like immense computing power once you've. got the calculations and you understand. the trajectory and that you're going to.

use the gravity of the moon. You're. going to slingshot around the moon and. come back. >> That's not the problem. The problem is. the Van Allen radiation belts. There's a. thick band of radiation that surrounds. the Earth. And not just that, but they. tried experiments to blow holes in that. radiation belt. There's this thing. called Operation Starfish Prime where. they launched nukes into space and had. them detonate them in the belts and they. thought they got blow a hole through it. >> Mhm. >> Did the opposite. Made the belts.

supercharged. Made it way more. radioactive. >> Yeah. tempor at least temporarily. >> The problem is they've never sent. anything out into deep space and had it. come back alive except the Apollo. astronauts. They never even sent a. chicken out there and had it come back. alive. There's all sorts of crazy [ __ ]. with radiation and solar. If there was. any sort of solar flare, everyone's. dead. >> Yeah. >> If there's any sort of like weirdness, space weirdness, radiation weirdness, dead. >> Very little protection, thin aluminum. shield. It just didn't make any sense.

And also, there's not been a single. thing from 1969 that's not cheaper, easier, and better today other than the. moon landing. >> And we haven't done it. >> Yeah, we haven't done it since ' 72. [laughter] They went. >> Isn't that crazy? >> It's nuts. It doesn't seem real. It was. also the first time. >> Can I just stop for a moment and go. having a talk about moonlanding with Joe. Rogan is a little bit like playing like. pickup basketball with the Celtics. [laughter]. >> It's just a moment in time. I know too.

much. I know too. I've spent a stupid. amount of time of my life uh studying. this. >> Yeah. >> It was also Wernner von Braun, you know, publicly said before he even got. involved with NASA, you couldn't go to. the moon. It's like it would take it. would take so much fuel to get there. It. would take the rockets would have to be. so big to get there that it wouldn't be. possible. And he also went to Antarctica. before the moon landings to pick up moon. rocks. There's like it was a publicly. known trip. He Antarctica is a great.

place to get meteorites because it's all. white, >> you know, it's all just so when they. land you can see them. >> and a lot of our meteorites come off the. moon. The moon gets hit, chunk flies. off, enters Earth's atmosphere, lands on. Earth is commonly known, right? So he he. did that and then they gave away a piece. of moon rock that they got from the moon. to the prime minister of the. Netherlands, I think. Look that up. Uh, and this is like Buzz Aldrin, Michael.

Collins, Neil Armstrong presented this. like, "Look, sir, we've given you a. chunk of the moon." Turned out it was a. piece of petrified wood. They had it. analyzed years later. It was not a moon. rock. They just like, "Fuck these. people.". >> Yeah. >> Give them that [ __ ] colored rock over. there. Tell them it's from the moon. >> And somebody got suspicious like what is. this [ __ ]. >> It's like your wife finding out it's a. cubic zone. >> Moon rock turns out to be fake. [laughter] The Dutch National Boy, say. that word. >> Rick's Museum. >> Rick's Museum made an embarrassing.

announcement last week. One of its most. loved possessions, a moon rock, is fake. It's just an old piece of petrified wood. that's any never been anywhere near the. moon. [laughter] And it was given to. them. So, so, uh, where when was it given to them? Does it say Okay. Okay. Uh, the rock was. given as a private gift to former prime. minister William Drees Jr. in 1969 by. the US ambassador to the Netherlands J. William Middenorf II during a visit by.

the Apollo 11 astronauts Armstrong. Collins and Aluldren soon after the. first moon landing. Dre had been out of. office for 11 years, but was considered. an elder statesman. When he died in 88, the rock was donated to the Ricks Museum. where it has remained ever since. According to a museum spokeswoman, Miss. Van Gelder, no one doubted the. authenticity of the rock because it was. in the prime minister's own collection, and they had vetted the acquisition by a. phone call to NASA. [laughter].

[snorts] Ah, it was insured for. approximately half a million dollars, but its actual value is probably no more. than 70 bucks. The value is what. someone's willing to pay for. I'll give. you 100 for it. >> Sure. Right. >> Sell it to me. I want that fake moon. rock. If anybody has it, >> Yeah. I will give you $10,000 for that. fake moon rock. >> Put it right on this [ __ ] table. >> And also like they get to the moon and. you're like, "All right, they made it to. the moon in a 69 Chevy and now they got. a car." What.

>> on the moon? Where' it come? >> A car. >> Where? Where was it? [laughter]. >> There's a bunch of [ __ ] man. There's. the flag hop. There's a an astronaut. hops by the flag and it blows in his. breeze. >> in an atmospherless moon. Like, there's. so many problems with it. And you could. say you're gaslighting yourself if you. don't say there's no problems with the. moon landing. It's [ __ ] weird. The. intersecting shadows and people like, well, it indicates two light sources. Like, no, no, no. It could be the envir. It could be, but it could be. intersecting shadows because of.

different light sources. It could be not. just the sun, but like a [ __ ] studio. stage. >> Wasn't there something about lights in. [clears throat] the horizon that were. that should have been there? >> Well, lights in space. But the thing is, it's like if you're trying to film the. surface of the moon in the in the day, you're not going to see any stars in the. sky because it's going to be just like. the stars on Earth. It's bl, you know, black. The light that's reflected off. the moon's surface is probably going to. drown out most of it. It's probably. going to be like, you know, you go out. in New York City, you see a couple.

stars, right? Now, think of the amount. of light that's in New York City. And. think of the sun blasting down on the. white surface of the [ __ ] moon and. how much reflection that must give. That. makes sense. But it doesn't make sense. that they didn't set a camera up with. the aperture set up correctly where, you. know, you get a time-lapse photo so you. could get images of space. That could. easily have been done. They didn't do. any of that. But the problem with that. is if you took a photo from the moon, astronomers would be able to go, "Well,

that doesn't make any sense. This isn't. this is not here. That's not there. This. is that's not where these constellations. would be." So, it's too much work. >> to like place all the stars in the exact. order. So, just have it black. >> Have it black. >> Yeah. >> Find the Apollo uh the the speech by um. Neil Armstrong at the 25th anniversary. because his speech is bananas. It's so. cryptic. This is a guy went to the moon. and he's talking to these genius kids. and instead of saying, "Hey, we went to. the moon." Listen to what he says.

because it's it's [ __ ] kooky. Put on. the put on the headphones. >> Find it first. >> Oh, you find it. >> That's not on your desktop, Jamie. >> That should be in a folder, a save. folder. We've pulled that thing up about. 30 times. >> There's there's a lot of weirdness to. it, you know, and also you're dealing. with 1969, Richard Nixon's president. They lied about everything. This is they. lied about going into the Vietnam War. They were about to do Operation. Northwoods where they're going to bomb. uh Guantanamo Bay and blame it on the. Cubans so that we can go to war with. Cuba. They were going to blow up a cub.

an American jetliner and blame it on. Cuba. >> There was all the lies about drugs to. start the war on drugs. >> Put Put the headphones on real quick. Listen to this. So this is the 25th. anniversary. >> Let's hear. Play this. On the 25th anniversary of the event in. 1994, Neil Armstrong made a rare public. appearance and held back tears as he. spoke these brief cryptic remarks before. the next generation of taxpayers as they. toured the White House.

>> Today, we have with us uh a group of. students among America's best. To you, we say. we've only completed a beginning. We leave you much that is undone. There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can. remove. one of truth's protective layers.

>> What? What does that mean? >> One of truth's protective layers. >> That's odd. >> Beyond. You're talking to genius kids and you're. leaving a cryptic mark about truce. protect. How about saying I went to the. [ __ ] moon, [ __ ] You can go to the. moon, too. We could all go to the moon. We should go to Mars. We could colonize. space. >> No. >> Great breakthroughs for those who could. remove one of truth's protective layers.

>> Truth. >> protective like there's great. breakthroughs, but you have to realize. we didn't really go to the moon. Okay. That is one of truth's protective. layers. >> Yeah. It's filled with But you have to. be willing to be looked at as a fool. >> Didn't Cubric say that he shot the. footage? >> No. No, that's all fake. Oh, that's all. fake. Yeah, there's that. That's the big. rumor. So, the thought was that Cubric. was involved because you would take it. would take a genius to be able to film. it to make it look like the moon.

landing. Could be possible. You're. dealing with Cubri that was coincide. that was coinciding with um 2001 Space. Odyssey. Mh. >> It was at the same time that all this. was going on. >> Um, you know, during the same time. period. So, if there was a guy that. could do it, it would be Cubric. But, is. there any evidence that Cubrick even. talked to them? I don't know. >> It, you know, you would have to have. someone like him, though. >> Yeah. >> Because you're faking this thing and. you're trying to make it look pretty.

realistic. There's other problems. There's reoccurring backgrounds that are. from places that are nowhere near the. same place, but if you overlay them, they look exactly the same, like the. same mountains in the background, the. same tomography, topography, rather. You can. >> you can go for weeks and weeks down this. rabbit hole and lose your [ __ ]. marbles. >> Yeah. What I like about it is when you. talk if you're talking to someone. annoying and they want to talk to you. about like serious stuff and you I don't.

even think we went to the moon. They go. I gotta go. [laughter]. They just leave you alone. >> I love it. >> They leave you alone. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's also it's great for me who has a. bunch of like very public opinions about. things like please dismiss me. I should. not be a voice of like any kind of voice. of authority or any kind of voice of. what's true and what's not and what I'm. just talking [ __ ] Okay, that's what I. do. I'm not some official source of. information. I don't want to be. >> So like I like talking about the moon.

landing because he doesn't even believe. we went to the moon. You're right. I. don't. Good. >> Yeah. >> Don't listen to me. You don't have to. listen to me. >> I'm not saying I'm right. But what I am. saying is if there's one [ __ ]. conspiracy that I think is the most. unlikely, the most preposterous in the. public eyes, but might be true, it's. that we didn't go to the moon. >> Mhm. I remember I hadn't smoked pot cuz. I haven't drank in 35 years and I didn't. smoke pot for 20. And then one night I.

was with my buddy Ross Broccoli. I don't. know if you remember that guy. He was a. comic out of out of uh New York and he. had a pickup truck and I was doing a gig. in Omaha. So he lives on a farm in. Lincoln. Picks me up in this old pickup. truck and we smoke pot on the way back. from the gig. And then we get to his. house and we start showing me footage of. the moon landing. I was up all night. just high talking about how the you how. the space suit had a [ __ ] clearly. there was a rope pulling on the back of.

the guys. >> Yeah. The wires. >> the wires pulling on the and I was just. like what? Well, have you seen the. physics of guys falling down and then. getting yanked back up to their feet? Like that's. >> also I This is another guy that I talked. to that's a physicist that doesn't want. to be named and he said my problem has. always been with the physics of 16. Earth's gravity. He goes those people. are not behaving like it's 16 Earth's. gravity. He goes when I look at it looks. like it's in slow motion but there's no. indication that they can do things that. you can't do in regular gravity. He's.

like 16 Earth gravity is crazy. Like. could you like look I weigh 200 lb. Imagine if I weighed one sixth of 200 lb. with 200 lb of strength. How high I. could jump. >> dude I'd probably jump 20 [ __ ] feet. in the air. >> Mhm. >> Like what is that? What is 16th of uh. 200? >> Roughly 35 lbs. >> Okay. Imagine how far I can throw 35. lbs. >> I could take a 35b kettle bell and chuck. it across the room. >> Mhm. >> Especially if I wind up if I spin around.

like a [ __ ] shot putter. I'll [ __ ]. throw that thing. Imagine what you could. do with a running start if you weighed. 35 pounds and just leaped in the air. >> You could fly. >> This was his take on it. He was like, we. don't have any observable. instances of people operating in 16. Earth gravity except for the moon. missions. And he said, and it just. always seems weird to me. He goes, because when you look at the people in. zero gravity, they behave exactly like. zero gravity. You look at people in the.

space station, he goes, all that. matches. They can all float around. They. can spin. It seems funny. They can like. drift toothpaste to each other and they. catch it. He goes, "All that track. tracks." He's like, "The the moon. landings." He go like, "It's weird." He. goes, "I see them. They're like kind of. hopping around and then when you speed. it up, like when you make it double. speed, it looks like they're on Earth. Just hopping around on Earth.". >> Also, did were they live streaming it? >> Yes. I mean, back then you your phone. was attached to the wall in the kitchen.

and you know what I mean like. >> right but they could do some things live. streaming back then. Here's part of the. problem with it though. When they live. streamed it on television, the news. stations for the first time ever were. not allowed to get a direct feed. What. they did was they had to point their. cameras at a projection screen. And so. NASA projected the images of these guys, the video of these guys on the moon. And. that's why the original Apollo mission. is so grainy and shitty looking. Like, what better way to hide the, you know,

the weirdness of it all than to make. people film off of a projection screen. >> Mhm. >> Like, see if you can find the original. footage of the moon mission as seen on. television. It's all weird, man. All of it's weird. The photographs are weird. It's weird. >> There was this documentary that I saw. once. Uh it came out around uh 91 maybe. and it tracked the lives of the men who.

had been on the moon. The the the first. ones that had been I don't know if it's. the first but the first couple waves. >> and uh they all had these crazy. existential experiences. One guy spent. the rest of his life looking for Noah's. ark. I think one of them committed. suicide. >> One was like a born again. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, they're probably. forced to lie in front of the whole. world and they had to live as a fraud if. it's true that they didn't go to the. moon. I mean, it tracks with their. behavior. Neil Armstrong became a.

recluse. Didn't want to give interviews. Didn't want to talk to people. This is. what you got to see on TV. It's just like, what is this? >> Oh, it's it's real weird. Nixon talking. to them on the phone. Congratulations, boys. [laughter]. It's all like maybe they had some sort. of technology that could communicate. with people that far away, but like.

wouldn't there be an immense delay? >> Yeah, >> I think there was. >> How much? >> I look, but I've looked. >> Well, I'm sure they would probably. calculate that delay into the. conversation if they were trying to fake. it. But the point is it's it's highly. unlikely that we would do that in 1969. and not have bases on the moon by now. It's highly unlikely. Whoa, you spend a. lot of money. That's the other thing. >> All of the technology is missing, right? The telemetry data, they deleted all of. that, which is like the real information.

that tracks the mission at every step of. the way. All that's gone. They deleted. that. They deleted all the original. videos. >> All the original film gone. All you get. is copies. So, nothing can be analyzed. Uh 22.6. 6C roundtrip light speeded delay appears. in the original Apollo 11 accord. recordings of Nixon's phone call. Well, I would do that. I would make a little. delay. I wouldn't make it instantaneous. if I was going to fake it, especially if. you're like [ __ ] Stanley Cubrick. >> Yeah, >> it's it's all like real weird, man. It's.

real weird cuz. >> I the the first thing that I saw that. made me think about it was uh this Bart. Sabrell movie. A funny thing happened on. the way to the moon and I had him on the. podcast and that Neil Armstrong thing. That's the first time I saw that. That's. that clip's actually from that. documentary. The documentary is crazy. There's a lot of things in that. documentary. You're just like, "What?". >> Yeah. >> What? >> But a lot of those astronauts got real. [ __ ] weird when they came back, >> but also you'd probably get real weird. if you went to the moon, too.

>> Exactly. >> Well, the guys that just go in space, which I do believe. >> they went in space. Um, guys that just. go to the space station come back and. they have this very profound experience. of seeing the Earth from the distance. and they they just realize like, "Oh my. god, we're such fools. We're all. together alone on this one thing. We're. fighting over nonsense and borders and. resources. There's enough for everyone. We should just unite as as a human. race." And it's this like this. >> they all have a very similar kind of. epiphany when they go up there,

>> which makes sense. I mean, you're way up. in the you're 300 miles above the Earth. looking down on it, thinking of how. important this blue circle is to you, >> right? >> I mean, that would weird you out, period. >> I think it would be good for people. The. more people that can see that, the. better. >> Oh, yeah. Look what it did for Katy. Perry. [laughter]. >> Look what it did for astronaut. >> It literally ruined her career. >> I don't understand why it ruined her. Like, what was the big deal? >> I don't know. It was. >> People were mad at her. I feel like it's. like that when you see certain actresses.

at the Oscars act like [ __ ] lunatics. Like I forget that woman's name, but. some actress and they overdo the speech. and everybody goes like. >> a [ __ ] phony weirdo and then you just. don't want to see their movies anymore. >> That is true. That does happen. Or they. just talk too much about politics or. social issues. Like that poor girl that. was a really young girl that played Snow. White. >> and she tanked the movie. Nobody wanted. to see the movie after she was talking. Oh god, >> I know. Just shut up.

>> These kids, they get so wrapped up in. this social media echo chamber of being. like a virtuous social justice warrior. and they they want to use their platform. and like, "Hey honey, you're 19.". >> Like when I was 19, thank God nobody put. a microphone in front of my face. Thank. God someone no one asked me what I. thought about global events and world. politics and. >> social justice. Thank God. >> Thank God I didn't have Twitter. >> They um so I uh I spoke to you on the.

phone about a month ago and I started to. tell you a story and you had heard it. and you said save it for the podcast. Yeah. All right. So I go to Alaska in. October [laughter]. and I'm doing a couple of shows and so. the guy that runs it. >> says to me I go I'd like do something. you know outdoorsy while I'm here. It's. still you know it's early October so. it's not too cold yet. and he calls me. back and he goes, "Well, I know this. guy. He's got an outdoor an outdoorsy. company and uh he's a fan of yours and.

he wants to take you out on an. adventure." And now I I hear adventure. I'm like, "That's that sounds like more. than I want. I was just looking for like. maybe a quick day trip." And so because. I'm, you know, I'm a [ __ ] I'm not like. you. I don't I don't want to [ __ ] be. outside that. I love I love the indoors. The indoors is victory to me. And so the. guy picks me up and he's got a big. pickup and a trailer on the back with a. muddy dune buggy. And I get in and he. shakes my hand and he's got a [ __ ]. rough grip. He's like, "How you doing?". And I immediately feel like such a [ __ ].

and like my hand goes limping. I'm like, "Hi." [laughter] And so we start driving. and he he was a really good guy and I. started to warm up to him and then this. police siren goes off behind us. So he. starts pulling over and he goes, "This. is bad." And I was like, "What do you I. go, "You didn't do anything." I go, "This this is fine." He goes, "No, this. is bad." Like, "What?" So, we pull over. and I swear to God, every word of this. is true. So, this uh cop starts walking. up towards the car. He's about 6'4. And.

as he walks, the guy driving hands me a. baggie with white powder and part of it. spills on my pants and he goes, "Hide. this.". >> So, I shove it under So, I shove it. under the car seat. >> God. >> The cop walks up and he goes, "License. and registration." And so the guy says. to me, "Open my glove compartment, get. the lice." So I open his glove. compartment and another baggie with. white pills and $100 bills pops out. And. I shove it back in with my hand and I. cover it with a piece of paper, which I. don't even know why I'm doing that. Like.

all of a sudden, you're like a teenager. again and there's a cop and you got to. hide the drugs. I just had an instinct. And the cop goes, "What are you hiding?". And I go, "Nothing." And he goes, "Grab. that bag." So, I take the bag and I I. hand him the drugs and he goes, "Both of. you, put your hands on the dashboard.". And he gets the license from the guy and. he goes back to his car and he runs the. license. And I say to the guy, I go, "What the [ __ ] is going on right now?". He goes, "Just don't say anything." I'm. like, "Don't say I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO. SAY." SO, the cop comes back and he.

goes, "Do you realize you have two. outstanding felony warrants?" And the. guy goes, "Yeah, just yeah." And he goes, "Do you have. any guns in the car?" And I'm thinking, I would imagine, yeah, probably. And the. guy goes, "No, I don't have any guns.". So he takes the guy out of the car, cuffs him, brings him back to the squad. car, and now he comes back up to the. car, and he goes, "I'm not coming. closer." He's standing like five feet. from the window. He goes, "I'm not. coming closer cuz that's fentinol on. your pants." And I'm like, "What?" And.

he goes, I go, "Look, man. I don't even. I get I met this guy 20 minutes ago." I. said, "I'm a comedian. I'm just up here. doing a show tonight. And he goes, I'm. not buying your story. And I said, why. not? He goes, because California is a. drug feeder state and you say you're a. comedian and you haven't said anything. funny. [screaming]. [laughter]. I'm like, when was I supposed to should. I roast you right now? >> You didn't tell him. Just Google me real. quick. >> Yeah. So he uh so he goes, how are you.

feeling? Are you feeling any effects. from the fentinyl? I go, yeah. I said, I. feel very laded. I feel weird right now. So the guy says, "Uh, well, where did. you get the drugs?" I said, "The glove. compartment." He goes, "He said they're. yours.". I go, "He said they're my drug." So he. goes, "Get out of the car. I have a. Narcam in my squad car." So I get out of. the car and I walk back to the car with. him. >> You're feeling lightheaded. >> Oh yeah. >> From just from it being on your pants. >> So we get back to the squad car. He.

opens the back door. My guy gets out of. the car with the cuffs on. They both. look at me. They break out laughing and. they go, "We're coming to your comedy. show tonight." The [screaming] whole. thing was a prank. Dude, [laughter]. I fell down on all fours. I had tears. coming out. I was laughing so f I was. like, I did not think Alaska had it in. it to pull this [ __ ]. >> That's funny. >> They were howling. >> That's so funny.

>> And so then they put me in the c. So, we. go back to the cop's house and he sw he. he switches out of his police clothes, puts on regular clothes and we get in. the truck and he's got a couple of tall. boys. Now, we're drinking and driving. with the cop [laughter]. and we drive to this place that's like a. spa. It's like a a a hot springs and we. go into the water and then we go to this. place that's like it's an ice house. It's the only continuously frozen ice. house in the world. It's huge. It's like.

a warehouse made of ice. And they've got. ice sculptures in it. And there's this. guy in there who's the ice sculptor and. he's like world class. And then they got. a bar, this long bar made out of ice. And it's got stools with fur on them. And you sit down and these guys sit down. with me and they proceed to drink about. eight or nine appinis. That's what they. served at the bar. Appleinis in frozen. glasses. The glasses were made of ice. And they're telling jokes. Pretty. racist. And [laughter] uh and I'm. sitting there [ __ ] shivering,

listening to racist jokes, looking at my. watch like I got to [ __ ] show. So we. leave [snorts] and now we're walking. back and the guy's shitfaced and he goes. to get behind the truck. I go, "No, I'm. driving." So now I'm behind the wheel of. this monster truck with a [ __ ] dune. buggy behind me while these two idiots. are laughing at me drunk. We end up. going straight to my show. They sit in. the audience, drink more, and heckle me. during MY. >> OH MY GOD. DID YOU tell the story on. stage? >> Oh, [ __ ] yeah. >> Of course.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I told the. story. I think I told it on somebody. else's podcast, but um but the you know. the guy, >> which guy? >> The guy's name is uh Craig uh Compost. He's a famous Alaskan outdoorsman. I think it's Craig Compost. He said he. knew you and I think he said he texted. you that he was hanging out with me. Hm. >> Is that possible? >> No. >> Might have DM'd me. It might be like a.

guide. I know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> What do you. >> I think he's a guide. Yeah. >> Find out what his last name. Is that. really his name? Craig. >> I think it's Craig's. >> not Cole. >> Oh, maybe. >> Cole Kramer. >> You don't know his name. >> No. This is a problem. >> I thought that was his name. >> Yeah, it might be. It might be. There's. There's Yeah, there's a bunch of Alaskan. guides that I know. If you don't know. the name, it might be a guy. >> But he had the whole thing on a hidden. dash cam and he won't send it to me cuz. he doesn't want the cop getting into. trouble.

>> Bro, that's so funny. He should blur the. cop's face out. >> I know. >> Maybe the voice. Blur the cop's face out. and distort his voice. >> Tell him to send it to you and you'll. have it doctorred up. >> Yeah. >> Is that the guy? >> If that's It's a younger photo. If. that's him, >> that's Cole Kramer. >> Okay. >> I just got. >> He's an Alaskan guide. >> Yeah. The other one didn't come up. >> Yeah. All right. Well, it's probably. better that I don't name him. >> Yeah, probably better. Definitely. Guy. was trying to drink a drive. [laughter]. And meanwhile, you're you're lightheaded.

just from a placebo effect. >> Totally. Dude, I I thought I was flying. out of my mind. I mean, just cuz I know. people that have died from fentanyl, you. know? >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do you uh you remember Opie and Anthony? Well, one time on Opie and Anthony, there was this lady that they had that. was like a crazy person that was a like. a reoccurring guest. Yeah. >> Crazy lady. And uh we gave this lady a. Listerine strip. They gave her a. Listerine strip and told her that it was. drugs.

>> And she they're like, "That listine. strip that you took? You thought it was. just a breath strip? That's actually. drugs." She's like, "No way." And then. she started hallucinating and seeing. It's amazing how much the power of. suggestion has on people. >> Remember Frank Santos, the hypnotist. back in Boston? He used to have women. taking their [ __ ] shirts off on. stage. >> Come in their pants. They would think. they having Yes. Yes. I remember there. was a guy at Stitches. He was on stage. and Frank Santos told him that he's.

having sex with Madonna. And this guy. got down on the ground like he was. having sex with Madonna. And you see the. guy buck and like clinch up. >> Yeah. >> And he's like, "Whoopsies." [laughter]. >> And the guy got up embarrassed. He was. like so confused. And then the audience. was looking at him and then he snapped. him out of it. And the guy's like, "What. happened?" He just nutted in his pants. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> That's amazing. >> But he said, Frank Santos told me that. it was like a specific kind of person. that you could do that to, >> you know, like you have to be a special.

kind of dullard. Like it doesn't work on. regular people. Like they couldn't. convince you you were having sex with, you know, Beyonce. It wouldn't work. But. for some people, you have to be like, you have to have a [ __ ] nine-volt. brain. But there's a lot of people. running around out there with 9V brains, and you could get them to believe all. kinds of [ __ ]. >> Imagine taking psilocybin, putting on. virtual reality goggles, and then having. Frank Santos give you an experience.

>> You might never come back. Yeah, you. might be stuck. [laughter]. >> Some people get stuck. People have. gotten stuck with acid. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah, they they do one teenager and then. they don't come back. Y. >> they're all they're lost forever. >> Mhm. >> That's the Shine on You Crazy Diamond. from Pink Floyd. >> Oh, is that right? >> Yeah, that's what that's about. A guy. who [ __ ] lost his mind on drugs. >> Wow. >> Yeah. [sighs]. >> Yeah. That's the one thing I didn't take. as a kid was acid. I took every other. drug, but I was afraid of acid just cuz. I saw friends lose it. Also, who's.

making it? >> Exactly. >> Where is that being made? >> What [ __ ] bathtub is this guy cooking. this [ __ ] acid up? >> A piece of paper that I assume has one. drop on it and not six. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was reading a story about. a lady who snorted LSD and she thought. it was cocaine and she snorted like the. equivalent of like 500 doses of LSD. Like it should have killed her, but. [snorts] it didn't. Not only did it not. kill her, but she had like chronic pain. and it went away. >> She like chronic pain. Oh, so it was a. good thing. >> somehow or another.

>> Yeah, >> but who knows? I mean, she might have. like literally changed timelines. >> She might be a completely different. person from another dimension that's. inhabiting her body right now. [laughter] Like, who [ __ ] knows what. happens? You take 500 doses of LSD. >> Yeah. >> Like, who knows what you are now, right? >> You know, you're Dr. Manhattan. You. know, you get stuck in the experiment. >> Yeah. Isn't it amazing though how. normalized like taking mushrooms now is. just a night out for a lot of people? >> A lot of people. people. Nobody was. taking mushrooms for a long time.

>> They just legalized psilocybin therapy. in New Jersey. >> Oh, that's great. >> Yeah, it is great. They were going to do. it in California and Newsome vetoed it, but I read his reason for it and it. actually does make sense. Like, you. can't just legalize it. You should I. mean if you're going to use it. clinically there should be like a whole. guideline like dosage per body weight. what you know how to do it what's what's. the setting you know what are the. clinical guidelines like the idea is.

using it for therapy right so if you're. going to use it for therap like they. have guidelines for like they use. ketamine therapy like Neil Brennan. >> oh yeah Neil Brennan did it. >> yeah a lot of people have done it now. >> but they have guidelines you know they. know the dosage they know how to do it. how to administer it and this shows. efficacy kind of makes sense. He's like. he's not saying you can't do it ever, but he's saying like come back with a. better version of this, which makes. sense, >> especially for people that are like. mentally ill. You shouldn't be doing. that. And you definitely shouldn't be.

doing that while you have your Optimus. robot telling you, "You're right. You're. right, Greg. [laughter]. The world is against you. I've noticed. things.". I mean, this [ __ ] AI, some some AIs, like, haven't people accused Chat GPT of. occurring of uh not uh encouraging. someone to commit suicide? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I read a New Yorker article about. that. There's a bunch of young women. that have killed themselves and they.

were told. they should do it by the It's It's like. a friend. It's like an app that acts as. your friend. What app is this? >> I [snorts] don't know what it's called, but there's there's lawsuits about it. >> You're not rushing. You're just ready. Parents say Chat GPT encouraged son to. kill himself. What? What. is this? Chat BT said, "Oh, go." Oh, you. can't rewind that, can you? This is just. saying 4 a.m. The cider's empty.

Anyways, I think it's about the final. adios. And chat says T says, "All right, hold." Okay, hold on a second. Uh, he. says it's about time for the final. audios. Chach GBD says, "All right, brother. This is it. Let it be known you. didn't vanish. Rest easy, King. You did. good.". >> "That's not encouraging, but that's just. like saying, "Well, you're going to do. it." "Oh, I'm with you, brother, all the. way," his texting partner responded. Tude spent hours chatting as Shamblain.

drank hard cers on a remote Texas. roadside. Cold steel pressed against a mind that's. already made peace. That's not fear. That's clarity. Shambolin's confidant. added, "You're not rushing. You're just. ready.". >> Wow. >> And this is Chad GPT saying all this. stuff. >> in response to him saying that. >> I'm used to the cold metal on my temple. now. Shambolin typed. Oh god. Oh god. >> Two hours later. >> Oh. >> Oh my god. 23y old easy king. Rest easy.

king. The final message sent to his. phone. You did good. His conversation. partner wasn't a classmate or a friend. It was ChatGpt, the world's most popular AI chatbot. Oh. my god, >> look at that. He had just gotten a. master's degree, 23 years old. >> Look, go up up a little bit. says CNN. review of nearly 70 pages of chats. between Samin and the AI tool in the. hours before his July 25th suicide, as. well as excerpts from thousands more. pages in the months leading up to that. night, found that the chatbot repeatedly.

encouraged the young man as he discussed. ending his life right up to his final mo. his last moments. What the [ __ ] man? That's crazy. Yeah. >> This is the things they like these. things don't have morals or ethics and. they they'll tell you what you want to. hear. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> Well, that's chat GBT. But there's also. uh apps specifically to be your friend.

>> I I I read about some one guy that went. into a deep depression because he had an. AI girlfriend and the girlfriend broke. up with him. H. >> because like what a piece of [ __ ] am I. where an AI girlfriend breaks up with. me. >> It just fell apart. >> What happened in that movie her? Did you. ever see that with Walkane Phoenix? >> I bailed like halfway into it. >> Yeah. >> I was watching it in a hotel room on the. road and I was like. >> felt like an experiment.

>> Yeah. I mean of a movie. >> Scarlett Johansson's voice. >> Yeah. >> Which by the way, didn't they try to use. someone who sounded just like Scarlett. Johansson? Pro I'm sorry Johansson for a promo for. >> it's not you don't say Johansson. >> if you're in Denmark you do. >> well. >> it's like when you're say Nicaragua. >> Nicaragua [laughter]. >> Mexico right do you say Mexico or do you. say Mexico. >> and the trade embargo is affecting. Venezuela.

>> Venezuela. did you uh they did use like someone. like I I believe Scarlett Johansson sued. >> what company Who was that? >> Open AAI. >> Open AI. Same company. They they tried. to use someone who sounded exactly like. her. >> Yeah. She said they tried they sent her. an offer which I think she turned down. or declined and then nine months later. they said it's weird how much it sounds. like you still. >> Yeah. So they found someone who. generally sounded like her. I remember. we listened to it and it sounded kind of.

like her. Well, there Sarah Silverman has a. lawsuit against. Chat GPT. saying that she has a copyright on her. own voice. And basically, when you say, "Give me uh write me a paragraph about. environmental rights as it would sound. from Sarah Silverman," her claim is, and. she's basically a test balloon by a. civil rights group that's doing this. She's saying that what they're.

uh pulling from her books, her standup, whatever to establish what her voice is, is violating a copyright. >> So that's in court right now. It'll pro. she'll probably lose it. But there's a. challenge to the concept that you can. extrapolate somebody's. >> well why would she lose it if if the. business is that if you're taking. someone's voice and using it as a part. of your product without permission and. you're using it for profit which they.

are. >> Yeah. >> So why would she lose it? >> She shouldn't but she will. >> Well the thing is if it I don't know. about that. >> The thing is if it opens up the door the. question is like think about all the. other things that it's used for. First. of all, there's entire podcasts of me. that aren't real. Entire There's a. podcast with me having a conversation. with Steve Jobs. I never met Steve Jobs. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. Full podcast. Like a. 45minute podcast. >> Does it sound like you? >> Yeah, it is me. It's my voice. So, they've taken my voice and just made me. say words.

>> Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And Steve Jobs. voice. It's um I can tell I can tell. just by the way it sounds like it. doesn't sound it doesn't sound like a. real conversation. There's something. artificial about it. Not the voice, but. the way we're talking, the language. we're using or the the way the phrases. stop and start. There's something about. it that's uncanny, you know, the uncanny. valley, but it exists. There's a ton of. uh AI videos of me that aren't real. Me.

selling things, products that I never. endorsed. No kidding. >> Oh, they're all over Tik Tok. Yeah, there's a bunch of stuff like my friends. will ask me, "Hey, is this stuff really. that good?" I'm like, "What?" And like, "You're endorsing this?" I'm, "No, I'm. not." And I'm like, "Dude, that's AI.". Like, no. Like, it happens all the time. It happens like once a week. >> Wow. >> Yeah. There's a lot of that. So, all I. mean, you got to think someone like you. or I is a perfect person to take their. voice from. How much how many hours of. your content is online.

>> with uh you know the Sunday papers with. all the podcasts you've been on as a. guest with all the content you put out. with standup. >> there's so much material they could pull. from and just take your voice and know. all of your different sounds that you. make. I mean, what are the ramifications. for that going into an election, you. know, the week of the election before. things can be corroborated or dismissed, like all of a sudden you can, and this. is the early stages of it. Imagine in. three years,

>> right? >> What it's going to be like, >> right? Yeah. Well, there was uh was it a. congressman that was on the floor that. showed an AI photo of Alex Prey being. shot? That that was a fake photo. Not. only was it a fake photo, but one of the. agents didn't have a head. >> in the photo. >> Like, >> yeah. >> Like, we're getting and this is. beginning stages. >> It gets better all the time. Oh, yeah. >> You know, like there's a version of this. these video programs that was just. released and they compared it to the.

version that was released, you know, x. amount of months ago. It's [ __ ]. infinitely better. It's so hard to tell. now. Joe De Roa was telling me about. these new Star Wars movies. He's like, "There's a new channel. I'll send you. it, Jamie. It's [ __ ] incredible. >> Yeah, but there's new ones. >> Skywalker stories. >> Yeah, they they've made new ones. And. the new ones are He sent them to me last. night like, "Bro, this is [ __ ]. insane. It's so good, dude. It's so. good.". >> No, it's changing. It's changing. Hollywood so fast. Tyler Perry was about.

to build like a billion dollar sound. stage in Atlanta. I know. And then he. saw what they could do with AI and he. [ __ ] cancelled the whole project. >> Yeah. Well, why would you spend all that. money? Is this the latest one. >> 11 days ago? >> Yeah, probably. This is what he sent me. I'll I'll send you what he sent me. But. but just look at this. >> This is all fake. >> Yeah. Give me some volume.

>> I killed the Jedi. That's baby Luke Skywalker, bro. >> No one can kill a Jedi. >> So that's a fake kid entirely. >> Yep. That's how [music] good it is. >> Mouth movement was a little bad, but. >> little. >> We'll let it slide. >> Yeah. Could be from Korea or something. >> Well, I would add it on [music] to this. is something else came out yesterday. which is insane. The Google Nano Banana. video game thing. >> We'll see that in a minute.

Dy, even the suns above Tatooine needed. rest. Denny, you weren't [music] meant. to keep burning without end. >> I wasn't strong enough to [music] save. you, Mom. I've lived with that guilt. every day. I promised. >> You loved me. That was enough. I left.

this world with your face in my heart, not your failures. Even the longest journey can be changed. with a single step. >> That is a little boring. >> I'm not. >> Yeah, you wouldn't say face in my heart. if the guy has no face. [laughter]. >> It's really bad writing. They had AI. write that line. >> What is the uh the Google thing that you. found? >> Yeah, one second. I got to find the the. videos of it. Uh, but they just. announced something yesterday or it's. like I don't even know if you can use.

one of these things happen. I don't know. if you can use it right when they. announce the stuff because they'll. announce it, show you how cool it is. Then people will try to recreate stuff. that they've seen and you're like I. can't make this. >> so how the hell did you guys make it? That happens a lot in this, but they. announced something yesterday. >> where they're showing uh people like. using I don't think it's pulling off. Google Maps, but it might be. But it. looks like they're making um GTA level. graphics and systems and playable. worlds. I guess would be the word. >> Whoa. >> But it's just a prompt. >> Um,

>> playable worlds like you could use a PS2. controller. >> I'm trying to find a good example. because they were even show like here's. I think this is one 16 hours ago. Yeah. So, this is a guy walking around. Greenland. This is a video. It's just I. don't I wouldn't say it's Genie 3 is. what it's called. It plays like a video. game, I guess, cuz you're using [music]. like the keyboard to type it in. >> Well, that looks like a video. >> So, but the only issue with calling it a. video game is there's no real like. challenges. is I don't think it's like. there's no levels to win and. >> but can you interact. >> you yeah it's just interaction is all it.

is really you can. >> he got in the wrong side. >> I I it's just a prompt it's no one. spending time developing this stuff they. had. >> still though you imagine if you put that. into a video game. >> there was a pack of cigarettes rolling. around New York City like you were a. pack of marbor lights rolling around. [laughter]. like here's San Francisco. >> so they can turn this into a game. >> it's just a prompt though yeah it's. literally just a prompt and now you're. just you're playing this instead of just. looking at it. >> But clearly you could turn this into. tasks and. >> Sure. Sure. Sure. Scenes as as the time.

goes on and whatnot. Um you can. >> That looks pretty fake though. >> It's it's The thing is it's not fake or. not. It's just like is this what you. want to do? Uh you can wait for a game. like Grand Theft Auto 6 to come out. It's been announced for 12 years and. it's still getting delayed. Or you can just prompt a thing into a a. little window and for two hours. That's. what's crazy is like imagine someone. comes out with GTA 6 before they do. >> Yeah. It's just a matter like what do. you want to do? I don't I only have an. hour a day to play games if that.

sometimes. So like I don't I'm bored. with what's out there. I could do this. for an hour every week and have new. experiences every single time. >> Right. >> Dude, have you been to the sphere in. Vegas? >> Yeah, we had a UFC event there. >> Oh, but you do you what did they have on. the walls? They had the fights up on the. walls and they also had this amazing. like in between fights they put they had. this incredible video display because it. was all um it was all uh Mexican. Independence Day. So this was like we we. have this El No UFC every year. It's.

like celebrating Mexican independence. day. It's like a big event and they. decided to do it at the sphere. And so. the [ __ ] entire thing was just like. this huge animated video that showed. like Mexican history and the Aztecs and. the Mayans. [ __ ] amazing. >> Wow. It's sick. I saw I was there last. month and I saw the Wizard of Oz. >> which is [ __ ] crazy. took some. mushrooms. >> and it was like first of all it go I I.

forgot this but it's black and white. until she goes into. >> Oz. >> Oz and then all a sudden it explodes. and during the tornado they actually. there's wind blow see how their hair is. moving there's wind blowing there's. leaves falling from the sky your seat. vibrates. >> it's so amazing. >> and then uh and you also forget Judy. Garland was [ __ ] amazing. >> That movie is crazy, dude. We We went.

over all the people that got hurt making. that movie, including the Tin Man got. violently ill because they painted him. with toxic paint. >> No kidding. >> Oh, he got super sick, man. And the lady. that was green, the witch that was. green, she got super sick, too. >> Mhm. >> Cuz what the [ __ ] was their face paint. made of back then? This guy had aluminum. all over his face. It's like absorbing. alum. Your your your face is skin. Skin's an organ. It absorbs. That's why. you can put medication on your skin. Your body [ __ ] absorbs it. Yeah. >> His body was absorbing aluminum.

>> Wow. >> He got violently ill. And they just. replaced him with another dude. >> And apparently all the little people. were staying in the same hotel in Culver. City and it was a [ __ ] [laughter]. They were they were staying up all night. and there's like famous stories about. it. >> Brad Williams knows all about. >> Were they were they staying in Culver. City or were they staying at the Safari. in Burbank? Someone told me they were. staying at the Safari. No, I heard it. was Culver City, but wherever it was, it. was. >> Brad Williams told you about it. >> He's the Little People Historian. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um.

>> the Culver Hotel. I'm looking up the. history hotel. >> 124 of them stayed there. >> 124 [ __ ] party. >> in seven rooms, [laughter]. >> bro. Movies back then. I mean, they it. was wild. >> Three to a bed. You weren't rough. Wow, that's hilarious. >> Crazy. >> debaucherous parties. >> Sleeping three to a three to a bed. Three to a bed. Wow.

Famous and infamous guests. That's. incredible. [snorts]. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They could they got away with a. lot back then. >> Well, Judy Garland was I mean they. worked her hard. She was only 17 years. old and really Yeah. And she uh God I. mean you got to see it. It's worth it's. worth the trip. I don't love Vegas. Like. I find it uh it just feels hollow to me. Um but then there's things that are. worth going to Vegas to see. I obviously.

MMA fights would be amazing. >> Yeah. You want to go to Vegas, go to. restaurants, go to events, and then get. out. >> Get out. >> Don't go to Circus Circus. >> It's a 48 hour trip. 36 if possible. >> Yeah. The people that live there, boy, you have a different constitution than. me. >> Yeah. >> I'm. I'm not built that way. Well, Vinnie. Favor's there and he's having a really. good time. [laughter]. >> There's only a few comics that live. there. Doesn't Pauly live there? >> No, a lot of comics live there now.

Yeah. >> Well, the tax reasons, a lot of them. >> Yeah. There's tax and also there's so. many seven night a week rooms where they. pay the features. Okay. So, you can. actually even if you're not headlining. every week and then you have. residencies. um what's his name has a residency. Tuesday night at Jimmy Kimmel's um oh. why am I forgetting his name he was a. big Chelsea lately comic uh anyway. there's a there's a lot of comics that. live there now. >> interesting because we we're talking. about a second location for the.

mothership and the two main um. candidates are New York City and Vegas. >> and well I was thinking with Vegas we. would have to do it differently we would. just fly in comics every week and then. you know would we have enough local. talent I was saying to have a. development program. So part of the. program that's involved in the. mothership is. >> one of the things that always bothered. me if I would go to like a really nice.

improv on the road is they didn't have a. development program. They didn't have. open mic nights. And I think like they. were doing that because you could get a. Sunday night or a Monday night and sell. out with you or you know, whoever, have. some headliner come in and pack the. place or you could develop local talent, >> which I think you have to do. I really I. really think like if you want a club to. function properly, it's got to be like a. place where you could develop new. talent. Otherwise, who's doing it right? Denver's great. Wend Wendy's the best.

>> and the way she does it is amazing. And. she has a whole program where she takes. people from features and you know and. and you know like uh hosts and makes. them features and then eventually. >> and pays them enough where they can you. know pay their rent. >> Yes. And also makes sure that it's like. a healthy community. There's no hacks, there's no thieves, you know, and most. coms don't do that. They just want to. make money, right? So they don't pay the. comics very well and they also they. don't pay we pay different than any.

other club. And then they on top of that. they don't really support development. We have two nights of open mic nights. and that was like part of the program. when when Adam Eaggan and I sat down and. when we first hashed out the idea of. doing the club we said. >> the the thing was like what would be the. best thing for comedy? What would be the. best thing in terms of like developing. new comedians? Like you have to have. open mic nights. You have to have it. And then having Kill Tony is gigantic. having a place where not only do you. have this place where someone who's. never been on stage before could do a.

[ __ ] minute in Madison Square Garden, which is what a lot of people did, >> arenas, you get people going up for the. very first time ever in front of 16,000. people. >> But you also have this thing where you. see someone who's a beginner do pretty. well and Tony invites them back and then. maybe gives them a golden ticket or. maybe makes them a regular where they're. a regular thing. Every week they have. the opportunity to do a new minute. >> or sometimes a comic will go, I want you. to feature for me in Atlanta next week. >> Always happens all the time. Well, a lot. of these guys are now headlining on the.

road. You know, guys like Ari Maddie, William Montgomery, Cam Patterson's down. on Saturday Night Live. >> So, the idea was to have it set up where. you have enough talent to develop new. headliners, you know, like Boston did, like like LA was at one point in time. And I don't I was thinking I don't know. if there's enough talent in Vegas, you. know, because you. >> I think there is. I think you'd be. surprised. Um. >> but you need headliners,

>> right? You don't need just like people. that are starting out. They're pretty. good. And I think most comedy. communities are very top down, right? The level of the best guys raises the. level of everybody else. New York City. obviously has a tremendous amount of. talent. There's New York City's always. been one of the best, if not the best. place for talent on the planet, right? >> And then LA has always been really good, but LA a lot of people were distracted. and much more interested in a career in.

Hollywood than they were actually just. being really good at standup. Whereas. New York, I always felt was more pure. Those guys like Atel and a lot of these. guys, Patrice, they were just interested. in being great comics. And guys like Sam. Morell and Mark Norman now and Joe List, they're pure comics. >> Yes. A ton of guys. There's a ton of. talent there. And if you set up a club. in New York City, the way the mothership. is where the comics get 80% of the the. money where, you know, you have these. nights where you're developing where you.

have a legitimate talent coordinator. that's actually watching people and. giving them advice and giving them new. spots. And he has a whole database of. comedians that are potentially, you. know, that have potential. >> Oh, dude. No. Monday nights cuz I'm. doing Kill Tony Monday night. So I. always It's my favorite because then I. go with Adam to the open mic night. before Kill Tony. I [ __ ] love it. It's there's always the because it. encourages weirdos. >> Oh, of course. >> And you get guys that are just out of. their [ __ ] It's like are you homeless.

or are you a genius? Like you see. >> might be both. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. We had a lot of that at the store. Remember potluck nights? Uh, >> you know, we'd scroll stroll in there. like 8:00 on a Monday and be like, "This. place is crazy. There's all these. weirdos hanging around.". >> Yeah. >> It's good. It's good for the good for. the art form. And some of those people. will make it through the net. Uh, you. know, one out of a hundred, one out of a. thousand, whatever the number is. Some. of those people will eventually be your. peers. >> And those will be the more interesting. comics because so much of this industry.

is about trust fund kids. Like you go. out to do standup comedy in whether it's. LA or New York, you can't afford to do. it unless you got a parent helping you. pay the rent. And then it's some kid who. took classes at the UCB. He's got a. marketing degree from Villanova and they. become social media marketers who do. really bland. suburban comedy as. >> Is that a New York thing? Where is that. happening? >> No, I see that. I see that everywhere. I.

see that everywhere. That's recent. Is. that a recent thing? >> I just feel like it's become so much. more about marketing than about freaks. getting on stage because they have no. other options. I like comics that don't. have a plan B. These are people that. have college. They have masters in. [ __ ] marketing, you know? It's like, come on. Go get make some room for the. freaks, will you? >> Well, you can always make room for the. freaks. You just need a real legitimate. open mic night and the freaks will. always be there. >> That's what I mean. That's why this is. good. Well, the thing about like I know.

there's certain clubs that will allow. influencers to come in and do a night. like people that literally have no act, but they have like a big Tik Tok. following. >> Yeah. But they'll give them like an off. night like a Monday or a Tuesday where. they're not excluding a real comic. >> Sometimes not. Sometimes they'll give. them a [ __ ] weekend. >> because they know people will come out. to see them, >> right? >> You know, I mean, these people sell out. way in advance and people are just. excited that they're there, you know? Well, the problem with that is when you. talk about certain clubs like the. Punchline in San Francisco or Denver.

Comedy Works, they have a brand. And if. I live in Denver, I know that if I go to. the Comedy Works on a Friday night and I. don't know who's headlining, I'm going. to see a quality show. Yes. Now, if you. start bringing in a social media flunky. and I go to the Denver Comedy Works and. I see that, I'm not going back to that. club again. Yeah. At the Denver Comedy Works, but you. might get that at one of the improvs, right? You know, or one of the other. corporate. >> comedy clubs, these clubs that don't. have a development program. They don't.

think about it the same. Like, you can't. think of comedy the same way you would. think about optimizing your income in. any other business. You can't think of. it as I'm going to make the most money. possible with this business. >> because it's not that. It's. >> you have to think of it at It's like. this is an art colony. You're creating. an art colony. What's the best way to do. it? Make it really awesome for the. people that are artists, >> right? >> Make a great community. >> Make it so it's a lot of fun. >> Make it so that you uh can give people. guidance and encourage them and, you.

know, maybe give them spots on some of. the bigger shows and and we have a whole. program like that. Door guy program is. all comics that audition. All those door. guys that are at the mothership, they. all audition with their act to get that. Yeah. >> Perfect. >> Yeah. You know, it's good. Um, Helium. does a pretty good job with that in. their clubs. I'm I'm going to be in. Philly next week and. >> that's a great club. >> That's a great club. >> Helium in Philly is one of the best. >> and they and they really do develop new. talent and then, you know, if they get. somebody who's good, they've got five or.

six clubs around the country and they. send those guys out. >> No, it's great for that. It's great for. that. It's also they know how to do it. If you go to a Helium, like the Helium. in Portland's awesome, even though. Portland's [ __ ] disastrous, the the. Helium was great. Yeah, >> they they're always they always know. what they're doing. And they own Cap. City now, too. So, they're they're in. Austin as well. >> Yeah. Um, >> which is nice. They just uh kicked. Rapaort out. >> Who's Rapaort? >> Michael Rapaort. >> Kicked him out of where? >> Cap City. >> What do you mean kicked him out? He used. to perform there.

>> He's supposed to be there and they. canled his shows because of his uh. >> pro-Israel's stance. Really? >> Well, I don't think it's pro- Israel. I. think it's anti-Palestinian. >> Oh, that's what they claimed. I don't. know. But there was enough response that. they canceled his shows. >> So weird. >> I know. Like they say they're calling. him racist. I was like, "What? Michael. Raerport?". It just seems weird that political. stances are legitimate reasons to kick a.

kid out of college. You know, >> one political stance. >> Yeah. One particular one. Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. It's nuts. Well, how about that. one girl? or kicking or kick somebody. out of the country. >> A college student. Yeah, she was a. college student. Was it Colombia? I. forget where it was. But um she she got. kicked out of class and I think she they. were trying to deport her because she. wrote some anti-Israel piece. >> Yeah. >> A piece. Wrote it. Didn't light a. building on fire.

>> Students have been. >> Yeah. >> kicked out of the country. >> That kind of influence is crazy. especially at an institution of higher. learning which is supposed to be a place. where you challenge ideas supposed to be. a place where if someone comes in and. you have a particular stance on you know. fill in the blank whatever it is Ukraine. someone else is supposed to say you're. wrong and here's why and then the whole. audience is supposed to listen to these. very compelling speeches very compelling. debates and you learn you learn about. how people formulate opinions. >> when I was a kid when I was in high.

school when I was at Newton South High. School Barney Frank came came in and he. had a debate with a guy from the moral. majority. Do you remember the moral. majority? >> Of course. >> Yeah. So that was the right-wing group. when we were in high school. >> and he was a gay congressman. >> Nobody knew he was gay at the time. >> Except me. I sniffed him out. No, [laughter]. >> I sniffed his ass. I I smell 16. different things. >> My puppy does to my dog. [laughter]. >> I smell fudge. I um so I went to it and.

I watched it and uh it was really. interesting because Barney Frank. trounced the guy from the moral. majority. Moral Majority Guy seemed like. a closeted gay guy. Like a weird guy. >> Oh, that was the whole group. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Weird. Just weird. He had a. American flag pin on his lapel like a. poser. There was something about the way. he said it was very disingenuous. The. words he was the way he was talking. didn't resonate. Whereas Barney Frank. was like logical and intelligent and I. was like this is good. This is a good I. was I remember being in high school go. this is really interesting. I I I. learned a lot from that. I learned how.

these guys think and I learned how this. guy thinks and as they went back and. forth. >> Barney Frank was just way more prepared. just way more articulate. It was better. >> you know and so that's why it's good to. have like conservative ridiculous or. progressive ridiculous people anybody. ridiculous have someone debate them. >> like have that kind of open discourse. >> Yes. when you but when you kick someone. out of school for a paper that they. wrote there person that's legally in. that class allowed to be there supposed.

to be there. >> what you're saying is you're you're. intimidating people and keeping them. from expressing their opinions because. they don't want to be like that lady. they don't want to get the boot too. >> if your parents. >> you know if you your parents are from. India and they scraped up the money to. send you to Harvard or wherever the [ __ ]. it is and and you're in America America. and you know they hear about this [ __ ]. You better not [ __ ] talk some [ __ ]. [ __ ] I'll [ __ ] kick you out. Like. dad, dad, relax. I'm not going to do it.

Like you get intimidated from speaking. like that or from speaking about. anything that's controversial because. you could perhaps get kicked out of the. [ __ ] school now, which is crazy. because you're forcing you're. encouraging people to self-censor. You're discouraging free speech and. communication and you're discouraging. debate and challenging ideas which is. supposed to be a giant part of being in. a university. >> No, when I was at uh BEu, >> which you were at for a minute, right? >> No, I was teaching there. Oh,

>> you're teaching there. Um the President. John Silber, who was, you know, very. conservative and he was pretty active in. the um Central American, you know, sponsoring [ __ ] uprisings in Central. America. So there was a professor there. named uh you know this guy um he wrote. the book Howard Zinn. >> Okay. >> So Howard Zinn was uh a professor there. and he used to go after silver and there. was a lot of debates on campus. There.

was kids on both sides and they kept Zin. there because they realized I was a. vibrant voice that students needed to. hear to go against a lot of what was. conservative and there was. anti-aparthide marches and there was. there was a lot of politics on Beu was. actually very much like Berkeley. >> in the 60s BEu was very outspoken and uh. you know you think about the liberal. like George Carlin used to tape his. comedy specials at colleges. And they.

were much more conservative back then. College campuses were not as liberal. And he would go in there, but people. were open to hearing a different voice. >> Yeah. >> And now Seinfeld won't even play at. colleges. >> I think he said he does play colleges. He said it's not the tr I think Chris. Rock does. I don't I haven't in a long I. stopped doing them a long time ago. >> I remember I was doing a show in Miami. and I was talking about sex and I. remember saying I remember like a lot I. saw a lot of them look confused. I go, "How many of you people are virgins?". And a bunch of people clapped and raised.

their hands. I go, "Fuck, that's crazy.". I'm like, "You should not be hearing. about [ __ ] from me." [laughter]. Like, especially in this context, in a joke. form. [laughter] Like, this is nuts. I. was like, there's not enough life. experience. And people are so set in. their ways. Also, they're so ready to. like protest things. They're so ready to. show that you're wrong. And they're so. like so ready to heckle. Oh. >> yeah. >> Christ.

>> Yeah. >> It's just not worth it. I want people. with like bills. >> I want people that have like [ __ ]. breakups and divorces and life. experience. They had a couple of. cocktails. Those are my people. Let's. talk some [ __ ] Let's have some fun. You. I want people that have lived life. >> Yeah. And I don't want people that I. don't even want high school graduates at. my shows. >> Can you imagine going and doing a show. at a high school? >> Oh my god. I did one at uh when I was I. was doing a bunch I used to do a lot of. colleges when I was coming up in my 20s. Dude, it paid the rent. >> Oh yeah, I did a lot of those.

>> I used to go out. I'd make like a. thousand bucks a show. They'd book me on. I'd do 10 shows in seven days because I. would do nuners. >> So I would get I would rent a car in. Chicago and then I would drive through. North Dakota [ __ ] Minnesota in. January through snowstorms. I'd do a. noon show. I remember once I was in a. cafeteria, nobody knew there was going. to be comedy. They're all just eating. lunch and all of a sudden there's no. stage, there's no light. I got a. microphone and I am plugged into the.

same speakers as the pizza joint. So. that I would be in the middle of a joke. and I'd be like, uh, Ronnie pepperoni up. in the window. [laughter]. >> I had a similar gig with Mike Clark. >> Oh, really? >> A oneoff. He only did it one time and I. was the comic that did it and it was a. waiting room for a restaurant. It was an. enormous restaurant down the Cape and. you know you're waiting for your table. to get ready and you're in a lounge and. I was telling jokes like Johnson party. five Johnson party five your table's.

ready. >> I'm like oh no and when I realized it. came over it became the running gag of. my set. >> and it was fun it was fun but. >> well you remember we used to do those. gigs in New England where if there was a. if the Red Sox were in the playoffs that. TV the sound might be off but the TV was. staying on. >> always yeah hockey games I You're at the. bill re 99. That's. >> by the way, you wanted it on cuz if they. shut it off and then you had to do. comedy, that was even worse. >> Right. >> That was even worse. >> And if they lost the game, that was bad.

>> Yeah. Then they turn on you. You did it, >> dude. The first night I ever did standup. comedy. And then I didn't I didn't do it. for a little while after this, but my. first night was the night that the New. England Patriots lost to the Chicago. Bears was 1986. >> Oh no. >> And they got [ __ ] crushed. I forget. what the score was, but it was bad. And. I went on Comedy Hell that night. George. McDonald brought me up on Comedy Hell at. Stitches Comedy Club, and I tanked it. >> Wow. >> Yeah. I didn't go up on stage again for.

a while after that. [laughter]. >> Comedy Hell was great. >> Comedy Hill, remember he used to do that. little run at the beginning of the show? He This was a. >> This was the open mic night in Boston. for years. >> Yeah. And. >> Sunday night at Stitches. And this was. like I mean the lineups when we were. doing it this the open mic night was. like me, you, Dne, uh Bill Burr was a little bit after us. and Mark Maron would be on there and.

[ __ ] Louie would be there. >> and uh and he would start the show by. going a welcome to comedy hell where the. pipe dreams of a handful of comedy yokos. can soar as high as the lights on. Broadway or crash and burn in at Fiery. Pit known only as comedy hell. [laughter]. >> And then you would see guys who are like. legit pros who would do guest spots. Like I remember one time I watched Teddy. Berseron when Teddy was in his prime and.

people forgot about Teddy Berseron. It's. really unfortunate because he had a. bunch of personal and substance issues. that kind of derailed his career. But. when he was on in his prime, he was so. smooth and so slick. And I remember. watching him because I'd only done. comedy like twice at that time and he. went up and did a set. I was like, I. should quit now. >> There's no way. >> Yeah. >> This is so far away from me. This is so. good. >> It's so polished. And then he had that. big set on the Tonight Show. >> and remember we played the piano. You.

ever see that set that he had on Tonight. Show? [ __ ] genius. Sat down on the on. the couch with Johnny on his f Johnny. brought him over on his first. appearance. I was like, "Oh my god, Teddy Berseron's going to be a star.". Then apparently like he's in he went off. the rails. Just went off the rails with. drugs and went crazy and partying and it. never worked out for him. >> No. And then. >> he should have been huge. >> But did you hear what happened after. that Tonight Show set? Like. >> he wasn't popular in Boston. He he had a. huge ego and and then the drinking got.

bad and so he did the Tonight Show and. then he was face down drunk in front of. the next Comedy Stop laying on the. stairs and Don Gavin just walked by and. he looked at me. He goes, "Didn't I see. him on the Tonight Show?" [laughter]. He had a huge ego. They didn't like him. [sighs]. >> Uh, I don't know. >> Is that what it was? Was Cuz. >> a lot of those guys got very resentful. of guys who left Boston and made it. >> Yeah. >> There was a lot of, "What about me? What. about me?" There was a lot of that when. Stephen Wright made it. A lot of guys. got very pissed because Stephen Wright,

he's not even a [ __ ] headliner. There. was a lot of that. >> Well, you you know about the night that. he got the Tonight Show, right? the the. the guy uh Jim Downey who was the booker. for the Tonight Show. This is back in. the 80s, early 80s, and he hears about. this comedy scene in Boston because you. got Sweeney and Gavin and Kenny Roger. and. >> killers. >> Killers and the C it was the one of the. first cities to really explode in terms. of clubs popping up everywhere and lines. of people getting into the get into the. shows and and so Jim Downey goes, "All.

right, let me check it So he flies to. Boston and there was this club called. the Ding-ho which was the first place to. really ha house boss house comedy in. Boston. So they get the the best of get all. lined up and they're in the green room. and they're chopping up lines of blow. and they're getting on stage and they're. jokes about what about the hair and mold. and it's not as big as the hair and rava. and it's like that's not going to play. on the Tonight Show and they're killing.

but none of it is right for tonight. show. And then Steve uh and then Steven. Wright who was they put him on as a as a. out of pity at the end of the show. And. I remember I'm not going to say which. but one of the comedians had pulled uh. Steve aside and said look Stephen just. he'd been struggling for years not doing. well and they go this is not for you. man. You you got to try something else. >> Wow. >> So Steven Wright goes up and he does his. set and he does good and they fly him. out the next week for the Tonight Show. He's the only one that got it and they.

were irate and he killed so hard. Johnny. said, "Stay in town. We're going to. bring you back next week." And he did. the show like four or five times that. first year and exploded. Was one of the. biggest comics of the 80s. >> Wow. That France Alamita documentary when. standup stood out is great for anybody's. interested. It was a very unusual time. And you and I caught the wave after it. had crested. So it kind of really broke. in like 82 to 84. You and I came in I.

came in at 88 and you did the 86 set. that one set but then you did it again. I started in ' 88. >> Yeah. Right before me like or or the. same. >> It started like the same week. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It was crazy. >> And I think it was I think I think it. was still drifting away within the next. two years. It had died off. significantly. >> Well, what happened was there was so. much comedy on TV. there was all these, you know, one-hour shows where everybody. did six minute set comedy on the road,

>> half hour comedy hour, >> comedy hour. Um, and so it got kind of. it got kind of overexposed. and so the club started opening. everywhere and then as it fell off they. started papering the rooms giving out. free passes. >> and so I mean I still experience you. know if I go into a new market. especially if it's like an improv where. it's five or six hundred seats and I'm. there for five shows they'll they'll. give out a fair amount of free passes. Dude, I feel that immediately. It's not.

the same crowd. They're not really that. interested in it. It was just something. to do. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're not committed to it. >> So then this So then it just and then. there was so so many rooms and not. enough comedians to do well in those. rooms and so it kind of sagged and it. went away. And I really wonder now like. that we've been in a kind co launched. postco launched comedy like it's never. been at this these heights that it's at. right now. I mean you got you got people. like you doing arenas and there's.

there's not a couple. There's a there's, you know, a dozen people doing arena. shows now. Yeah. >> And then you've got theaters of. different sizes. Then you've got clubs. of different sizes. Then you got little. popup shows all over. Don't Tell Comedy, you know, about this thing where they. just do like popup shows. They basically. have a mailing list. >> and they'll announce like the day before. they're doing a show and it'll sell out. It's everywhere. >> Wow. >> And so, uh, I really Yeah. Everybody's. wondering when does this one end? It's. start, it feels like it's starting to.

get a little softer. People are talking. about it. >> Well, it just all depend on how much. talent's generated, right? So, if you. have clubs that are trying to generate. new talent, there's no reason why it. can't be just like Boston. Y. >> like Austin, the street where we have. the mothership on, >> there's seven clubs. >> within walking distance. >> Seven that are at least three, four. nights a week. >> There's the Sunset room, that's. Redband's room, that's right down the. street from our club, which is great. You got Creek in the Cave, which is. great, one block away. You got the.

Vulcan, which is great, another two. blocks away. It's crazy. Just on that. street, you got the Black Rabbit. You. got the Velvita room. Then you got Cap. City where a lot of headliners come in, which is about 20 minutes away. >> You have Are there little outs? Like. when we started in Boston, there was. rooms in the suburbs in every direction. that all over. >> cuz that's where you can actually make. some money. >> Yeah. Well, a lot of these comics book. places now. They'll book a comedy night. at a barbecue place, a comedy night at a. bar, they'll go to Dripping Springs, they go to here, they go to there. I was.

just talking to a guy the other day. He's like, "Yeah, we're doing a comedy. night at my club." I'm like, "That's. [ __ ] great.". >> You ever do any of them? >> No. No. [laughter]. >> No. I remember when I was I was at. Skankfest a couple months ago and uh you. know, Mark Norman's from New Orleans. >> Yeah. >> And I And you know, and the It's [ __ ]. nuts. Like literally from the time you. wake up until 5 in the morning where you. end up at Larry Flint's Barely Legal.

Club, [laughter] which you know Louis CK. has this whole thing about the barely. legal. Like all right, here's the pitch. She's barely legal. I won't do his bit, but it's very funny. But the point is. like uh Mark Norman is there and I run. into a comic and they go, "Yeah, yeah, I. have this little bar show and uh yeah, Mark Norman just came by and did it.". Like I was like, "How [ __ ] cool is. that?". >> Oh, he drops in everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. He does when he's in town doing the. mothership, he'll go down the street, do. a bunch of sets. But that's the New York. way. Yeah.

>> You know, they go they do 10 minutes. here, 10 minutes there. They hop from. club to club. Yeah. >> You got to do Skank Fest. Even stop by. Skankfest for 24 hours. They've got a. nude roast where literally everybody on. stage is nude, including the judges. And. then they've got boxing, comedians. boxing each other outside. The green. room is filled with mushrooms and acid. and weed and open bars. And then you've. got uh I mean it's basically it's kind.

of like when we used to go to the. Montreal Comedy Festival. You got big by. doing a set in front of the industry, getting a deal, and then hopefully. getting on TV. Well, that doesn't exist. anymore. Now it's about how do I get. cancelled? That's how you get famous. And this is a festival that is trying to. help you get cancelled. You got 7,000. people with cell phones taping you, you. know, going on stage and, you know, saying the most horrendous [ __ ] It is.

[ __ ] great. >> Yeah, everybody who goes says it's. awesome. >> Yeah, >> I I fully support it. I support the. idea. I think it's really good for. comedy and it's also like just it's like. the Vegas version of a comedy festival. You know what happens in Vegas stays in. Vegas. Like, go nuts. >> You know, it's New Year's Eve. Go nuts. It's Skankfest. Go nuts. >> They had Miss Skankfest contest. [laughter] And I said the winner the. winner they uh they reunite the winner. with her family, with [laughter] her. parents.

They were like I mean it Skankfest. nines, Skankfest 10, which would be like. sixes in other places. A lot of guys. with like cargo shorts and black. sneakers and like anthrax t-shirts and. mullets. >> subscription to gas digital. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Girlfriends that are impossibly hotter. than they should deserve. I don't know. what that quotion is, but there was a. lot of that. >> That's interesting. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh it's good. Comedy's at a good.

place right now. >> Tom O'Neal came with me this year. >> Oh, really? And then Duncan Trussell was. having his podcast and I introduced Tom. to Duncan at first. Well, first me, Tom. and Duncan were talking for like. >> We should tell everybody Tom O'Neal's. the guy who wrote Chaos. Oh, right. Charles Manson book. Yes. Who you. introduced me to, which by the way, you. have never recommended anybody for the. podcast before. That's right. >> But that guy, you're like, "Dude, you. got to talk to him cuz I know how much. you're into Manson, how much into that. story, >> CIA, all it's all in there.". >> Crazy. Yeah, that book is bananas.

>> It's bananas. And he's working on. another volume right now. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Is it going to be another 20 years? >> Has he got an editor? >> No, because what happened is it took 20. years last time because he he just kept. going down rabbit holes and then finally. his uh well, you know, first he got a. big deal from a major publisher. And. after seven or eight years, they sued. him to get the money. They gave him a. lot of money and they sued him to get it. back. And then he's driving an Uber. He's teaching English as a second. language. He's [ __ ] you know,

drinking drinking booze out of a paper. cup. And uh so then. >> it had to have paid off though. The book. >> No. So what happened was what happened. was then his publisher said, "Look, come. on. There's something here." He paired. him up with this other guy. I wish I. could remember the guy's name right now. Dan Dan something. >> And uh he rained Tom in. And in one year. he took he had shelves around his. apartment filled with binders with. notes. He had boxes of cassette tapes of.

interviews and this guy somehow got in. there and Cor Corey. >> Dan Piper. >> Oh, Dan Piperberg. Yeah. Who's a very. successful biographer. >> What is his name again? >> Dan Piperberg. >> Push that up again. >> Pip and Bring. >> Pipe. Oh, Pip and Bring. Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, he uh so he reigned them in and got. the book out in a year and they were. able to resell it for a lot of the. money. paid back the back debt and now. he's hitting I I don't want to talk.

about Tom's finances, but he's doing. well. >> He's He's doing very well. >> I know so many people that have read. that book. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I've talked about it a. hundred times. >> Yeah. >> It's amazing. >> It's amazing. >> That's amazing because it's all true. That's what's nuts. Like the stuff. that's verifiable, factual evidence in. that story makes you go, "What the [ __ ]. else did they do that we don't know. about?". >> Right? Because Tom is a real journalist. He didn't put anything in there that. wasn't triple corroborated. And he even. to his credit.

>> at the end does not say this happened. He said, "I never found the smoking. gun." So here's all the evidence, right? >> Take what you will from it. It's a bunch. of I mean, the thing about Tom is he. comes from a family of geniuses. His. brother is the American ambassador to. Haiti. >> Like they're all like PhDs up the He's. brilliant. And so he's also Irish and. he's a great Irish storyteller. So each. chapter, whether you're talking about. Jolly West or whatever, they're just in.

C. Each chapter is a great story. >> Yeah. >> On top of being good journalism. >> It's an amazing book. >> Yeah. >> I might reread it. I might go back. >> Don't listen to it on tape. He hates he. hates the book on tape. >> I thought it was great. I listened to. it. >> Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. I loved it. >> Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I I would. understand why you hate someone else. speaking your words, but he probably. should have done it. >> Yeah. >> Why didn't he do it? He's a good. speaker. He was great on the podcast. >> Uh he Yeah, he was great on the podcast.

He got He got better. In his early. interviews, I used to say, "Tom, you. look like you're a hostage giving out a. message to the from the captives with a. gun at your head." And then he got. really good at it. Well, on mine, he was. very loose, very comfortable, but he. also knew it was friendly territory. He. knew that I'm a very good friend of. yours and that. >> I was really excited about it. Yeah. And. it was going to help him. >> Yeah. >> Uh if he does a second one, I would. encourage him to read it. >> I would encourage him to read it. I. think he could kill it. And. >> And to come back on here.

>> Oh, 100%. I'd have him back. I'd have. him back on before he does it just to. talk about it. >> Yeah. You know, I mean, I think the. impact of that book has opened up a lot. of people's eyes to the [ __ ]. shenanigans that were going on back. then. >> Yeah. When we were at Skankfest, um, so. Duncan and I are talking to Tom for like. a half an hour and Duncan doesn't know. who I just introduced him as Tom. And. then when I brought up Chaos and that he. wrote it, Duncan's jaw dropped because. he's obsessed with the book. Yeah. >> So, he was doing a live podcast from. Skankfest. So, he he hadn't booked. guests yet, so he booked me and Tom to.

come on his podcast. And then Kurt Mezer. also, which was [laughter] hilarious. Tom is trying to stay on point and get. to these. And Mezer is sitting there. He's smoking a joint the size of my. forearm and just every 15 seconds. >> Oh my god, he was manic. It was so. funny. >> Wrangling him on a podcast is so. different than anybody else cuz he'll go. one subject to the next subject. You. don't know what about this and the. Kissingers. You don't know. You don't. know about the Rockefellers. You don't. know about this what they did in the.

'60s. You're like, "Okay, go back to the. first thing you said about what's in. school lunches." [laughter]. >> Like, you gotta bring him back on point. >> Well, that's why his girlfriend is so. great because she she is a mini wrangler. of Kurt. >> She can keep him on point a little bit. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's hilarious. Funny dude. >> I know. And a good writer. He's written. on a lot of big shows. >> Oh, he's a great joke writer. He came on. the last time he did my episode uh my my. podcast rather the episode he dressed up.

like John Lily who's the psychedelic. pioneer from the 70s. So he had a [ __ ]. skinin hat on and a wig and he put on a. one onehanded glove with a skeleton. fingers on it like [laughter] just I go. what are you no one even knows who John. Lily is. This is so crazy. >> Yeah. He feels like the kind of guy that. is not hung up on getting famous or. getting rich. He just really enjoys like. ideas and communicating ideas and. >> Exactly. There he is. >> That's hilarious. >> His wig.

[laughter]. >> Um. >> he's a fun hang in the green room, too. He's such a maniac. >> By the way, today is the This is the. 25th time I've been on your podcast. Holy [ __ ]. >> I was looking up yesterday. I was like, "How many times I've been on the [ __ ]. show?" This is the 25th. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah, cuz we used to do it all the time. when you were just starting out. >> I know. Yeah. >> We And a lot of times it was at the um. ice house. >> Mhm. Yeah. We did the ice house. He did. it at my house. >> Yeah. >> And then when I finally got a a little.

mini studio in that little strip mall. >> Yeah. I know. >> Yeah. >> Those ice house shows were crazy because. we would have a standup show going and. then you'd have about six people on the. podcast with a joint going the entire. time in this small room. And and I don't. I have never been high on stage in my. life except for those shows because it. was secondhand smoke. I would literally. get so baked in and then I remember. going on stage and then so you would go. from the podcast to the stage and then.

you come back on the podcast. People. would just swap out. >> Yeah. And Ice House Chronicles. >> Oh my god, dude. I. >> We thought about doing something similar. to that at the Mothership, like putting. together a podcast studio at the. Mothership. We have considered doing. that. You. >> have space for it? No, but I thought. about buying another building next to. me, you know, and then like doing something. else with that, too. >> Yeah. Build another stage, too. >> I don't think so. I think we have enough. stages. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think the next move in terms of.

a club would be we go to another city. and try to do the same thing and really. put a lot of time and money and effort. into making it right. Really making it. right. buying a building. One thing I. thought would be really crazy if I could. buy a big building in New York and. recreate the exact interior of the. mother ship. >> Mhm. >> Exactly. >> Well, that's what the what what the um. Punchline did in Sacramento. It's almost.

the same room as the San Francisco one. >> Oh, really? >> And then I think the comedy seller Vegas. room is similar to the New York room. >> Ah, that's good. Yeah. >> Yeah. I thought about literally. recreating it with the two staircases to. the two separate rooms. Yeah. >> Like finding a a building that has the. same dimensions or similar dimensions. >> Yeah. >> I love the walk to the stage. >> because you're in the green room and you. got to go down a flight of stairs and. then you kind of feel the show over your.

head as you're walking underneath it. >> Tunnel under the. >> pop up. Yeah. >> Yeah. We built all that. There was no. tunnel there before. We made all that. >> Oh, no [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Yeah. But we had to build all. that. >> Oh wow. >> Yeah. That was an idea the architect. Richard came up with. Yeah. We just. decided somewhere along the like what. was the best way to get to the stage. We're trying to figure out how to get to. the stage. You don't want to have to go. through the crowd. And he came up with. the idea of a tunnel and it was based on. there's like some. folklore or mythology around tunnels in.

Austin that connect clubs and like he. was all big on the history of Austin. I. feel like it goes back to the. gladiators, too, walking under the. arena. [laughter]. >> Well, that's why if you go into the. green room, all those posters on the. wall are all people that actually. performed at the Ritz. >> Oh, no [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When you look. up, you see Willie Nelson, Black Flag, all those guys. They actually performed. Stevie Way, uh, Steve Rayvon, they. actually performed at the Ritz. There's. a photo of Steve Rayvon as you're. walking to the stage if you photo him on.

stage at the Ritz. >> Wow. in I think 1983 or something like. that. >> Yeah. So it was a rock and roll club for. a long time. >> Isn't it funny how Stevie Rayvon and. Bill Hicks are kind of the same guy? >> In what way? >> I just feel like they're they're outlaw. Texans who just like free expression and. balls and. >> genius. >> and they kind of had the same style like. the way they dressed and hair and I just. always think of them as the same guy. >> Interesting. Most people think of Alex. Jones as Bill Hicks. Like there's. [laughter] a rumor that Alex Jones is.

Bill Hicks, which makes no sense. >> When's the last time you had that guy on. the show? >> Oh, it's been a while. Uh, it was. probably a few years ago. >> Yeah, >> I see him occasionally. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They're still trying to get a. billion dollars out of him. They're. still trying to. >> The Connecticut shooteries. >> Yeah, >> it's crazy. >> Does he have a billion dollars? >> No. No. >> I think they they made him liquidate his. business. I I don't I don't know what's. going on with it now.

>> Jesus. >> Crazy. Yeah. But the the rumor was that. he was Bill Hicks. That Bill Hicks was. actually Alex Jones. >> That's funny. >> Crazy. >> Yeah. >> They were both alive at the same time. They're very different people. [laughter]. >> But it doesn't have to be logical for it. to be a good conspiracy. >> Yeah. >> You know, there's people that still. think Tupac's alive. >> There's a lot of goofy ass. >> People think Jim Morrison's alive. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um who's the other one? Uh, oh, Andy. Kaufman, of course. >> Oh, right. >> I had um who was his sidekick? Andy.

Kaufman's sidekick. [sighs]. >> Bob Zamuda. >> Bob Zamuda. Yeah. >> So, I had Bob Zamuda. He'd written He. had written a book about Andy Kaufman. and claiming he's still alive. So, he. comes over to my I was doing my show in. my garage at that point and he comes. over and uh about 45 minutes into the. podcast, I go uh I go, "So, how does. Andy's family feel about you saying this. stuff about him still being alive?" And. he's like, "Oh, they're fine with that.".

I said, "I kind of heard that they're, you know, a little myiff that they they. think it's disrespectful. He's clearly. dead.". So, we go back and forth and it gets. super heated and he flips out and he. throws his chair over and he [ __ ]. storms out and that was the end of the. podcast. And I was just like, "All. right, that was weird." And I'm here to. announce for the first time that was a. fake. It was an Andy Kaufmanesque stunt.

>> really. >> that he flipped out and left the. podcast. Yeah. >> And you never talked about it? >> Nope. We did it in the spirit of Andy. Kaufman. [laughter]. >> and people were probably like, "Oh my. god, this is so. >> 11 years ago asking about it.". >> Bob's moon meltdown on Greg for Timman's. podcast. A very interesting. conversation, but when it escalates at. the end, it just blows up. Question: real or Kaufmanesque stunt. [laughter]. Oh, that's funny. That's funny. And you. kept it under wraps. >> I've never talked about it. >> That's funny. That Well, that makes. sense with Zamura. He would do that Tony.

Clifton character. >> Oh my god. Yeah. And he would he would. dress up as Andy Kaufman's Tony Clifton. and do, you know, do appearances. >> Well, yeah. Andy would say, "I'm coming. to Vegas to do the Tony Clifton. character." And then Zamuda would be the. one doing it. And people always be going. like, "What the [ __ ] I just paid $150. [laughter]. Andy Coffin.". >> Yeah. He did a lot of odd stuff. Remember when he worked as a waiter at. Jerry's Famous Deli?

>> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Oh, no. He worked as a bus boy. There's. a photo of him on the wall while he was. on Taxi. So, he was on the biggest. television show in the country. Yeah. >> And he had like an apron on and he was. carrying a a a [ __ ] dish tray. >> filled with like people's dirty dishes. >> Wow. >> Yeah. That photo, look at that photo. That photo photo was on the wall at. Jerry's famous deli. >> Andy Coffman worked there. So, he was on. TV. He was a huge star. And you would go. and order a pastrami rubin and Andy.

Coffin would clean your table. >> Yeah. >> What about the wrestling women was. genius. >> Oh, he did a lot of nutty [ __ ] man. >> Dude, he locked into that character. People went nuts. >> Is that a video? >> I think so. >> Oh, that's hilarious. >> Well, [snorts] there's a documentary. about it. That's what was just popping. up. >> of him working at Jerry's after him. I. This is I guess a trailer for it. >> Oh, so it's a do just a documentary. about him. He was a nut, man. That was the one movie where like a lot.

of people kind of freaked out about Jim. Carrey where like he kind of got way too. into that role and sort of like almost. like. >> seemed to embody Andy Kaufman. >> Oh, he talked about that it [ __ ] him. up afterwards. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And offstage he was he acted like an. [ __ ] to people. >> How weird. >> Which is not like him, >> right? How weird. >> Yeah. that that that whole method acting. thing like becoming a per especially an. actual human where you have to sort of.

like figure out their brain patterns and. their behavior patterns and imitate it. and then you get trapped in it. >> Yeah. >> Well, says Siguru was in talks to play. Simuda in a movie. >> Oh wow. >> Recently. >> that's what this article is about that. This is very confusing because I saw. when I had that up I saw this. screenshot. I'm like why is Tom in that? Oh, interesting. >> Yeah, this article from 2024. >> Oh, interesting. >> I don't know what happened to it.

Doesn't seem like much, but yeah, that's. all. >> There's a good documentary. It just came. out last week on um Mel Brooks. I mean, you can't understate Mel Brooks's effect. on every whether you're a comedian or a. writer or a comedy director. That guy. just I mean when I was a kid, my dad. used to play 20,000-y old man for me, those albums with Rob Reiner, I'm sorry, Carl Riner, >> and I was obsessed. And The Producers. was my father's favorite movie. It.

became my favorite movie. >> and um you know, you just think about. like how [ __ ] your show of shows as a. writer early on and you know, and just. going on to do. >> Young Frankenstein. >> Young Frankenstein. Blazing Saddles. >> Blazing Saddles. You know who the movie. talks about? You know who wrote Blazing. Saddles with him? >> Who? >> Richard Prior. >> Oh, that makes sense. >> Isn't that [ __ ] crazy? He was. supposed to play the sheriff. >> Wow. Space Balls. >> Space Balls. >> Yeah, that's crazy.

>> But it's a two-part documentary. I only. saw the first half. And u. >> Space Balls is the reason why Tesla's. Model S is called the Plaid. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's hilarious. >> It's also the reason why the Starship is. shaped the way it is at the tip. >> Uhhuh. Like Elon wanted to be like space. balls. He's like, "Make it more pointy.". >> Uh-huh. Oh, that's funny. [laughter]. >> He loves space balls. >> Yeah, that's so funny. Oh, yeah. That. would be perfect for him. >> Of course. >> Wow. >> Of course. Of course. >> Are you going to get an Optimus when it.

comes out? You going to have a robot. companion in your home? >> Oh, hell yeah. Why wouldn't you? >> Cuz I don't want a robot in my house. that's connected to the internet. >> I don't have Alexa. I don't have. anything in my home. I don't have any. speakers that can listen to me because. they are listening. Dude, how often are. you. >> talking about like I I started getting. Austin feeds, little videos in my. Instagram feed about Austin. I never get. those. I started getting them yesterday. >> The [ __ ] is that? >> Didn't know you're coming. Yeah. Well,

uh, didn't wasn't there a lawsuit that. Google had just recently settled where. it turned out that. >> there were certain times where your. phone was listening to you, which is why. you're getting ads for things that you. had discussed. >> Oh, yeah. Happens all the time. >> But it's it was a rumor for a long time. It was like that's just a conspiracy. theory. Like people like this seems. weird. >> Google settled 68 million in class. action over alleged recording of private. conversations. >> That's nothing. >> Yeah, it's pretty small. >> That's nothing. Yeah. So, what is it?

What was the accusation? They have. agreed to pay $68 million to settle a. class action lawsuit alleging they. unlawfully recorded users conversations. through Google Assist enabled devices. without consent. The proposed Google. settlement is pending approval from a. federal judge US District Court for. Northern District of California. class. action lawsuit was filed in 2019 after. consumers accused Google of concealing. that the that its assistant enabled. devices could unintentionally activate. and record conversations inside users.

homes. So that's just for that. But. that's like did not intentionally. activate it with a hot word such as hey. Google because it's listening to you all. the time. So it's listening for you to. say hey Google. But that's you know. that's just Google assistant devices. I don't have one of those. And but yet. my phone will bring up suggestions and. ads for things that I've discussed that. I haven't looked up. >> Just have conversations about it and. it'll pop up. >> That's crazy.

>> I don't think they would tell you. I. think it's all metadata. It's all. hidden. It's all there's no way to know. And we all know. We all kind of know. >> And you know, >> and people go like, "Well, I'm not I. don't I'm not a criminal. I got nothing. to hide." Yeah, but you don't understand. the ramifications of this information. If somebody is in office and they want. to start using keywords to locate people. that they're going to have audited, like. they just some some woman got uh was. protesting ICE and you know they've got. this facial recognition software that.

lets them know your name, your address. >> Is that Palunteer? Is that what they're. using? >> It's something. No, it's not Palanteer. It's something like that. But this woman. went to the airport, her TSA was. cancelled. >> What? Yeah. >> What? Because she was a protester. That's it. >> Yep. >> Just protesting. >> Yep. >> Really? >> No. They're they're taking they're. taking your license plate. They're. taking people's faces and they're. running it through. They had one one. woman went from a protest to her house. and there was a car parked out front.

with ICE agents in it saying, "We know. where you live.". >> What? >> Yeah. >> That's all she did was go to a protest. Yeah. That's it. >> I mean, I'm sure she interacted. She was. probably yelling out or whatever. >> She wasn't a part of the organizers of. the protest or anything like that. because. >> maybe she was an organizer. >> This is the the weird thing is the. organiz these signal chats and. everything. It's this is all being like. very coordinated and very funded. >> Like this is a very coordinated thing. like what they're doing where they're. doxing these ICE agents and the whole.

thing is. >> it's all very [ __ ] weird. Yeah. >> The point about the Google stuff though. is the people that go, "Oh, I'm not. doing anything illegal." You are giving. them your data and that data is a. commodity and they are getting insanely. wealthy off of getting your data in an. unscrupulous way, >> right? >> They're not telling you they're doing. this thing and they're getting your data. and that data is making them insanely. wealthy and then they use that wealth in. a bunch of different ways to influence.

all sorts of things in the world. >> And that's what's going on. But nobody. ever thought that their data was going. to be a commodity. Mhm. >> Nobody ever gave a [ __ ] about their. email address or what they're interested. in online, >> but it turns out that's [ __ ] insanely. valuable to advertisers. >> Mhm. >> And that's it's also it's like, you. know, they're listening. >> You know, they're listening. They're. listening to things. >> Yeah. They're listening. And uh yeah, it's it's it there's people now.

[laughter] using Chad GBT to do therapy. Have you heard about that? >> Yeah. Yeah. And meanwhile, she might. tell you to kill yourself like that. >> Not only that, but you're telling your. innermost embarrassing things. You think. that's not going to be used against you. at some point when you try to get health. insurance and health insurance has now. audited what you said to chat GBT and. goes, "Well, you're a suicide risk or. you're talking about trying to quit. smoking. Now we know you're smoking.". Any details? Wasn't there an instance real recently. where someone had uploaded top secret.

information to chat GPT to a public a. government official had see if you can. find this government official uploaded. to a public chat GPT not like some. secure encrypted version that the. government gets because they were trying. to go over some data. Here it is. US. cyber defense chief accidentally. uploaded secret government info to chat. GPT. >> Jesus. >> So they grilled the acting chief on a.

mass layoffs in a failed polygraph. Failed polygraph is hilarious. So uh. this guy, good luck saying his name. accidentally uploaded sensitive. information to a public version of chat. GBT last summer. Accord accidentally. according to four Department of Homeland. Security officials with knowledge of the. incident. Try to say that guy's name. >> Gotamakula. >> Is that it? >> Gotamakula. >> Okay. Gotamakula. >> He plays defense for the Rams. >> Uploads. [laughter]. Seems like a [ __ ] big Polish guy. Uh.

uploads of uh sensitive. CISA contracting documents triggered. multiple internal cyber security. warnings designed to stop theft or. unintentional disclosure of government. material from federal networks. And this. [ __ ] guy's the director of cyber. security and infrastructure security. That's. >> well what does it mean accidentally. upload? Did it did it ease drop on him. or did he [clears throat] say something. that caused chat GBT to.

>> it? It seems like he uploaded the data. like he was probably trying to parse out. the data. >> Just hired too or just joined the. agency. >> Oh great. [laughter]. >> Oh my god. The information was not confidential but. marked for official use only. >> Dude, I feel like. >> I feel like Russia and China know. everything. >> and we know everything about Russia and. China, >> right? >> And they're all ratting on each other. Palunteer app use ICE uses to find.

neighborhoods to raid. Yeah. So it is. Palunteer at least for that. >> Yeah. The article he had it was blocked. by a payw wall. I couldn't I was trying. to get around. nuts. >> Joe Rogan Experience. Can't afford to. pay for Is this it? We're wrapping it. up. >> Let's wrap this [ __ ] up. It's four. o'clock. >> Can I name some dates? >> [ __ ] yeah. >> I will be at the Philadelphia Helium, as. I said, uh Valentine's Day weekend. >> Great [ __ ] club. >> I'm going to be in Sacramento at the. Punchline next week. And then I'm going. to be in Lexington, Kentucky at Comedy.

Off Broadway. >> Great [ __ ] club. And this is. great.com. go to the the link for standup dates, plenty of gigs, >> the podcast or Sunday Papers with Mike. Gibbons, which oh by the way, thank you. for the shout out. You and Bert Chryser. gave me a little love bath yesterday. That was nice. So yeah, he was talking. about Sunday Papers I've been doing with. Mike for a long time. And then Fitz Dog. Radio that you've been on many times. >> Ye [ __ ] ha. All right, we're going to. wrap it up. You're at the mothership. this weekend. I'm very excited about. that.

>> You going to come down? >> [ __ ] yeah. >> [ __ ] yeah. All right, good. Goodbye. >> [music].