Joe Rogan Experience #2444 - Andrew Wilson

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. Prove me wrong type things, you know, way before they change my mind. >> Change my mind. What does Charlie What. did Charlie say? Prove me wrong or. something like that. >> It It was something akin to that. My. understanding was that. essentially uh TPUSA ripped that idea.

offered. Yeah. >> And then uh he would I think he feels a. lot of like responsibility for what. happened with Kirk because. >> is he the MSAD? >> What's that? >> Is he the. >> Is he the MSAD? Yeah, exactly. [laughter] That's so funny. >> I don't know. Let's You got You got. Candace's number. We can ask her. We can. ask her. >> Kansas is getting uh she's getting. dragged on Twitter today because uh.

she's like, "I' I've lived in. Connecticut. I've never seen this much. ice on trees and uh it's 30° out." And. everybody's like, "Yeah, 30 is freezing.". >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. It's so funny. Ice on trees. >> Do you see all the Miss Cleo memes? >> It's Oh, it's so funny. You remember You. don't remember the Miss Cleo? Yeah. The. psychic. They keep on putting the Miss. Cleo memes out for Candace because she's. a psychic, you know. >> That's hilarious. [laughter].

>> It is funny. >> I think this lighter just [ __ ] the bed. Can I borrow that other one? Thank you. >> Yeah, >> it's really funny. >> Well, Candace has painted herself into a. weird corner where everything has to be. a wild conspiracy. Like, it has to be. Bridget Mcron's a man. Oh, yeah. Erica. Kirk killed Charlie. It h it has to like. one up the last one, you know. >> Yeah. I I was It's really funny. He came. to the same conclusion that I did. So, it's like I've seen those conspiracy.

channels come up before. >> and then they they come up and they. crash out. And the reason is is because. like for her, I think she she had the. whole like um. uh she was involved with this, right? She was involved intricately with with. Kirk. She knew him. >> Yeah. And so that g gave a lot of. credibility to a lot of the things that. she was saying. But then once you start. moving back into like Mandela effect. stuff and and you know time travel and. this and that. Yeah. People are like ah.

[laughter]. >> I mean you could do that if you're that. guy. If you're Art Bell, you know, if. you. >> Well, you know, but Belle I I I remember. I used to listen to Bill. >> He's the goat on the wall over there. >> You remember that intro? Boom. Yeah. So he the kingdom of N. >> Yeah. Yeah. I remember I remember. listening to him [snorts] uh for years. when I drive around with my dad and he. was a like it was a big deal and I. remember the very first episode I heard. from him was something about the Nim. It.

was like. >> what's the Nim? >> The Nim were like this guy called in. He. was a time traveler, [laughter]. >> right? And he came back in time because. his whole his his whole thing was like. he had to stop the weather patterns from. destroying the future because the Nim, an alien race of grays, had come and. they were heating up the planet slowly. to change it to be the conditionals that. were necessary for them to then live on. the planet. >> And you know, Art Bill, he's always. playing into it with the lunatics, you. know, and he's like, >> "And does the CIA currently know that.

you're there doing this?" You know, [laughter]. the guy And the dude's just like, "Uh, [laughter]. >> yeah, Art would give you all the rope.". >> Oh, yeah. >> You call Art I'm a Werewolf. Interesting. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you ever hear the Bigfoot episode? >> No. >> Oh my god. That's the funniest episode. you'll ever hear. So, Redneck calls into. Art Bell and talks about how he killed. Bigfoot and where he buried it. And the. guy has it's like I don't know if it was. early trolling like before trolling was.

trolling but it was like this guy. >> he was like yeah you know me and Timmy. we we took him out back there we shot. him right in the chest twice and u there. was some youngans and they spread out a. little bit and then we you know we. packed up the Bigfoot and buried him in. the backyard you know and B's just like. and you said there was youngans. [laughter]. >> The Bigfoot people are the weirdest. Duncan Trussell and I went uh hunting. for Bigfoot once. We did this uh I used. to do this TV show for a while called.

Joe Rogan Questions Everything. And I. would go like, "All right, tell me about. chemtrails, you know, and I go meet with. all the loons and all all the people. that are like really involved UFO, anything like that." Yeah. And we went. and hung out with the Bigfoot people. So, we went Bigfoot hunting for like two. days in the Pacific Northwest and talked. to all these people and. >> they're all like the same person. I just. said it's like a team of unfuckable. white guys. >> It's like that's what you find. Like. these guys are just like they found. their calling. It's just like.

>> looking for a mystery in the woods that. you'll never solve. >> Well, the there was a guy I used to have. on your podcast and he was he was huge. for a long time and I think it still is. It's a remember those missing cases? >> Mhm. >> Right. That was that's a big deal. And I. was always like anytime I heard anything. about that, I always was enthralled with. it because some of the stories were. demented. Yeah. >> You know, like kids appearing 500 miles. away and all this. >> But that guy always had you edged. because people would always go, "What do. you think's going on?".

>> You know, and he. >> What was that guy's name? >> I can't I can't remember it, but he it. was like missing. >> Yeah. >> 411. >> Yeah. Missing 411. >> He's I've seen him on Instagram or on. Twitter. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Wow. He But he'd got all the park. records, you know, and he started going. through and he was like, "Uh, there's. some really weird stuff going on here. for how many people are missing in. national parks.". >> There is. There is, but the reality is. if you die in the woods, you get.

consumed pretty quick. That's the. reality. That's why you don't find. mountain lion skeletons. Mountain lions. are a real thing. I've never found a. dead mountain line skeleton in all the. times I've been hunting. Never. Not. once. You'll find uh elk bones. You. know, you'll find stuff like that. >> I found some coyote coyote skeletons. before out in the Nevada desert. >> But mountain lions are a real thing. You. very, very, very, very, very rarely find. a dead mountain lion. >> Yeah. >> And there's so many of them. Now, think. about how few people actually go like.

hiking into the deep wilderness. Your. body just gets consumed. >> Sure. >> You know, there's so many animals that. come along, rats, all kinds of things. Eat your bones. >> Oh, yeah. It's a free meal. >> Yeah. It's so easy. >> And they can smell it for miles. >> Sure. Bears. >> Yeah. >> Anywhere there's wild pigs and then then. it's over. Then there's nothing left. >> Yeah. They can smell [snorts] that stuff. for miles. >> But it's like people always want to. attach some crazy deeper weird, you. know, UFO Bigfoot meaning to it. It's. like no, it's you're in the wild and.

nature has a whole plan for dead things. and it does a really good job of. >> I assume they don't last. >> Not at all. >> Well, that's the thing. If you live out. in the country, it's you see this all. the time. Uh, you know, raccoon will be. around getting in someone's trash. They'll walk out. Bam. Raccoon's done. They just go throw it in the bushes. >> You don't need That's it. >> That's it. >> Problem problem solved. >> Problem solved. And it disappears. quickly and the plants consume it. And. >> yeah, >> that's it. It rots and things eat it. >> Doesn't even take that long to rot.

>> It's pretty quick. It's pretty quick. You ever seen like those timelapse. photos where they take a dead animal and. they let it sit there and you watch it. get consumed by maggots and it's very. quick. Yeah. >> So, these poor people that go hiking, you know, like if you go hiking and. you're by yourself and you break an. ankle and you're 15 miles in and you. don't have a compass and you're kind of. like roughly judging which hill you came. over and there's a lot of people that. just get ahead of themselves and they. really shouldn't be that far out there.

and they just die. Happens all the time. >> Yeah. You know, so like this idea that. it's like there's you could if you look. at all the data and you try to find a. pattern to it and you start imagining. that there's some grand conspiracy, there's some watcher in the woods that's. consuming people, some demon that's out. there, you can you get pretty kooky with. your. >> I think the popular theory is it's wild. men. >> Oh, wild men. >> Wild men. >> Oh, like humans. >> Yeah. Well, or some human variant that.

are. >> that's what this guy, this 411 guy. believes. >> I'm not sure because he won't say they. don't he doesn't he doesn't [laughter]. actually give his here's what I think is. going on. >> But people ask him and he's like, "Well, I have my theories, but he never tells. you actually what the theories are, you. know.". >> Interesting. I wonder why he doesn't. want to tell. Maybe that's why he's not. more popular. If he just came out with. it like Candace. Yeah, >> maybe it'd be huge. >> Yeah, like those guys that used to be in. the 90s who were saying that we were.

going underground and killing the. Nephilim. Remember those? Those guys. were great. >> They You're going down. It's like a man. And they were giants. They had three. rows of teeth and their special forces. are going down there and taking them. out. [laughter]. >> Yeah. There's a whole group of people. that believe that there's underground. creatures that live underground and come. out at night. And there's always been. like. >> Yeah. for whatever they are. You know, people some people think the grays live. underground. >> You know, there's like there's not a lot.

of mystery left, >> you know, outside of places like the. Amazon, the Congo that are super deep to. get to. Not a whole lot of mystery left. in terms of life. >> Maybe ocean depths. >> Yeah, ocean depths for sure. >> That's like the whole new unexplored. frontier, right? Is ocean depths. >> Yeah. >> Saying the time I turn on the TV, it's. like, uh, look at this crazy creature. I'm like, "That doesn't exist." And I. look it up, I'm like, "Wait, that. >> that exists?" I saw one the other day. tweeted out. I was like, "Mandela effect. has to be real." It was a.

>> It's called a Siberian mu deer. >> You ever seen a Siberian mu deer? >> No. >> They have fangs. >> Oh, right. I I have seen a fang deer. I. forget what they call it. Apparently, that's the uh You know, do you know what. elk ivories are? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's It used to be like a tusk. like way way back in the day. >> It's so [ __ ] looking, dude. Yeah, the fang deer. Yeah, they're weird. It's. very strange. >> Yeah. >> I wonder what they were there for. >> Yeah. Well, there's v I found a video.

cuz I was like, "No way, dude. Do these. things exist?" I thought I was being. me'd, you know? So, [laughter]. look. And this thing is real. So, I. found a video of them fighting and they. use those things as weapons. >> Oh, that makes sense. That's the only. thing that makes sense. Like gorillas. The gorillas don't eat meat yet. They. have these massive fangs. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's nature is weird. so much. variation, you know, there's so many. different types of life. It's and that. the fact that they all sort of. synchronize like this one eats that one.

and that one eats this one and this one. lives there and that one lives. It's. like it's very fascinating when you. really look at the just the wide variety. of species that exist. >> Well, most people don't know anything. about it. Like most people have never we. live in such a comfortable world. >> that is completely guarded from. everything that's out there. And it's. like if people had a taste of out there. >> Yeah. >> And I think that the worldview of many. many people would change very quickly.

Especially feminist. I think that. feminists would immediately stop being. feminist if they just had a taste of. like well you know people actually did. have to shut themselves up at night from. wolves. Yeah. >> That was a real thing. Wolves would come. in and eat you and so you would shut. yourself in so that that didn't happen. >> Well, that's gone so far the other way. that [ __ ] retards are bringing wolves. into places. >> Yeah, I know. [laughter]. >> It is so dumb. You know, I have a good. friend. >> Didn't they take it over like in in. Yellowstone or some place? They. reintroduced wolves and it just.

decimated the deer population, >> the elk population. That's actually. arguable that that might have been a. good thing um in some ways because it. was getting to elk need natural. predators and mountain lions can only. kill so many elk. Yeah. >> Um, but what's really interesting is. mountain lions kill way more elk when. wolves are around cuz the wolves find. the mountain lions and take their elk. And so then the the mountain lions have. to go kill another deer or you know.

whatever they. >> Why like just issue more hunting elk. permits though? Like why do that? >> Well, you have to have some natural. predators in in a good healthy. ecosystem. And there's a good argument, particularly in Montana, that at one. point in time it had gotten to a point. where you're going to have like rampant. disease because they were they were. issuing these uh they were issuing like. unlimited or a large amount of tags for. people in the mid winter so that you can. catch these elk in deep snow and just.

peck them off because they were having. so many of them and that they they. weren't sustainable that they were. hitting these massive populations. So, their populations are down to like. I want to say less than 40% of what they. were at their peak when they brought in. the wolves. But the problem is these. wolves, like what they did in Colorado. recently is the dumbest of all time. because they brought these [ __ ]. wolves outside of Aspen and they took. wolves from Washington State, Washington. State or Oregon, but whatever it was,

these these wolves from the Pacific. Northwest were wolves that already had. been killing cattle. So they captured. these wolves instead of killing them. And then they relocated them to Aspen. where they're killing cattle. So they. they relocated him onto my buddy's. ranch. Like there's five of them. >> And he had a cattle ranch, did he? >> He didn't have he doesn't have cattle on. his ranch, but his [ __ ] neighbors do. Okay. And his neighbors are losing. cattle left and right. And he's And so. now they've killed off a couple of them. and they're trying to It was a disaster.

And it's because the governor, the. governor's husband, he's a uh wildlife. lover and he thinks it would be amazing. if we had wolves. >> You ever talk to those deer hunters in. Michigan? in Michigan. >> Yeah, they've been pissed off for like. every deer hunter I know in Michigan has. been pissed off who's a native for years. because they all they all used to shoot. pheasant. That was the big deal in. Michigan was. >> pheasant. >> And then here's the story I heard. I. don't know if it's true or not, right?

Um, but the DNR, the Department of. Natural Resources, imported a b a bunch. of western coyotes in order to thin out. the deer population because the deer. population was basically mangling all. these farm crops. >> Oh boy. >> And those now that's an all you can eat. buffet for a coyote in Nevada. These. ground birds that are just these fat. >> fat little ground birds and they. decimated the population. So you you'll. talk to these old deer hunters. Have you.

seen any feeasant? No. Shut up. [laughter]. Shut up. >> The interesting thing about that though. is pheasants's an invasive species. That's not a natural North American. species either. >> They brought those [ __ ] over and they. are delicious. Yeah. >> And it's fun to hunt them. >> Well, they would always just walk those. train tracks, those old abandoned train. tracks, you know, and they'd have the. dogs. Do dogs kick up the feeasant and. they'd shoot them from the track. Dog. would bring it up. That was like a. Michigan pastime. >> Yeah. Yeah, the the coyote thing is a. real problem because coyotes are now. they used to be a western animal and now. they're in all 50 states.

>> Not only that, they're in virtually. every city in America. >> Well, they've been wiping them out in. Michigan pretty good in the rural areas. Oh, yeah. Well, what they do now is they. have the GPS trackers to put them on the. dogs. >> Old boys will get in with AR-15s. Those. dogs will run them for 200 miles and. then they finally take a shot and they. just will do that all winter long. Man, >> that's good. But it's hard to wipe them. out because what they do is you know. when you hear coyotes calling it's like. roll call.

they're letting sometime there's a lot. of confusion to what they're doing. Some. people think that they're letting the. other coyotes know that they've killed. something that we have food but it's. also a roll call and when one of the. coyotes is missing the females have more. pups. >> Really? >> Yeah. Some weird natural reaction. Also, they have natural enemy is greywolves. And when um they evolved, they evolved. to when the greywolves kill them because. the the greywolves don't breed with. coyotes, but coyotes do breed with red.

wolves. That's why you have these like. koi wolves on the east coast. >> A coyote is a wolf. It's a wolf. It's. just a small wolf. And so, their natural. inclination is when they're getting. chased, they move to a new area and then. they have even more pups. So that's how. they've spread out through the entire. country. So if you go back to like the. turn of the century, like the 1900s, >> coyotes were exclusively a western. animal. >> Yeah. >> Now they're in [clears throat] New York. City. >> Yeah. They're everywhere, >> which is crazy. They have them in. Central Park. They have [ __ ] coyotes. running around Central Park.

>> Some lady this morning posted on X uh a. mountain line in San Francisco sitting. on a porch. >> in the city of San Francisco. A big one. just sitting there. It's like [laughter]. >> just having a good time. [clears throat]. Well, that's just cuz California has the. dumbest [ __ ] laws when it comes to. those things. >> Yeah. Well, they have terrible gun laws, too. They have terrible terrible laws. They have terrible laws, period. >> They have terrible laws. Terrible. everything. >> Terrible politicians. You know, it's a. shame, too. Like, I grew up in Santa. Rosa. >> And um that's the most beautiful area,

>> the Napa Valley area. It's the most. beautiful area on planet Earth. The. weather's always perfect. It's January. 15th. It might as well be July 15th, right? It's always perfect. It's always. gorgeous. And they [ __ ] it all up. >> They [ __ ] it all up. >> They [ __ ] it all up. >> Yeah. >> And they [ __ ] it up real bad, too. >> Oh, it's almost unfixable now. >> Especially like San Francisco area. >> Like the whole Pacific Northwest is. almost unfixable. It's like they double.

down and they keep going. Like Seattle. now has a communist mayor. >> Yeah. >> Who's been living with her parents. >> New York. [laughter] They all got. communists. Black Lives Matter had they were their. head organizers. They were communist, devoued communists. Like. >> until it came to buying property with. Black Lives Matter money. >> Yeah. >> What's happening with that? >> Well, then they're then they're very. much capitalistic. >> How come they're not in trouble? I don't. understand that. Like they spent. millions of dollars of that money on. real estate. >> Yeah.

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>> and it's been interesting to watch. I. was watching one the other day. We were. live and it was Don Lemon and he had. showed up at Minnesota and the first. thing Don Lemon does, right? I hate Don. Lemon, by the way. But first thing, >> one of the dumbest [ __ ] that. has ever gotten on television. >> He's terrible. First thing he does, he. gets he drives up in this car. He's in. the back seat and he jumps out of the. car and he has this [ __ ] eatating lemon. smile on his face, you know, and he runs. over with Starbucks to these people and. he's like, "Here you go.".

>> Yeah. >> And then he jumps back in the car, right? And they drive off. >> Now, here's here's what's interesting. about this. He comes back and he's in. there with the protesters, you know what. I mean? And he's interviewing them. Most. of the protesters are saying, "We're. coming from out of town. We're from this. state. I'm from two states away. I'm. from three states away." You know, for. this totally organic protest. Well, the. cops, what they start doing, they have. these guard rails on the the sidewalk in. front of the ice facility, and there's. gaps inside of that barrier. And so, they pull their police cruisers in just.

to fill those gaps so that they stay. behind the barrier. And Lemon's like, "Why would they do that? Why would they. why would they keep us compressed uh you. know, behind this barrier?" And I'm. thinking, "Because you just stopped your. car in the middle of the street to run. across the road and give these guys. Starbucks, you idiot." you know, they. want to keep the roadway clear so that. they can get their people in and out. You literally stopped your car in the. middle of the road, ran across the. street to give these people Starbucks. and then got back in your car and. they're like, why why is it that they're. trying to get to keep us from getting.

into the road, you [laughter] know? I'm. like, what are you talking about? I just. couldn't believe. I was like, what? It's. amazing when these people that are so. smug where they're protected by a large. organization by CNN and then they get. fired and then they get they're. basically like like a dog like Carl. getting released into the woods and then. they have to fend for themselves and you. see them in the world of podcasting. where you don't have anybody writing. things for you and you have to express.

your own opinions. You're like, "Oh, this is the real you." It turns out. you're a [ __ ] [laughter] that. Wow. I. didn't know. Whoa. You know, the whole. time, Matt, you thinking the whole time, uh, you know, I never thought I'd be an. entertainer. I didn't think I'd do. anything with podcast. Never. Never in a. million years. I never would have. thought that. >> You were a what were you? An engineer or. a robot? >> Robotics mechanic. Yeah. >> A robotics mechanic. Yeah. >> How did you get involved in that? Uh. well, I was a I was a gunsmith for years.

and um there there's no real applicable. skills outside of that for anything. actually. There it doesn't really carry. over in anything. It's really its own. thing, you know, bluing things like it. just doesn't carry over. >> Um a friend of mine said, "Hey, look,". because I told him, I was like, "I need. a job. Um you know, I I'm I'm not making. it. What do What do you think?" He's. like, "You know, you should apply to be. an industrial mechanic." And I was like, I don't know much about it, you know. He's like, we'll just go apply. So, I. did took NAPDU test. And so, uh, the guy.

was like, well, I want to hire you at a. level three, which was high high, you. know, was like mid-range. Wasn't the. highest, wasn't the lowest. I was like, damn. Okay. You know, what's the pay? He's like, was like 30 an hour. You. know, that to me was was life-changing. So, I took the job and I got I didn't. know what the hell I was doing, but they. trained me up well. And then, um, there. were some robots on the floor and I. started working on those. And then from. there they trained me in robotics and so. uh it was it was all done on site. >> What kind of automation like automation.

and it was all food related. >> Food related. >> Mhm. All food robots. Yep. So we weren't. dealing with Johnny 5. We were dealing. with like vacuum systems and ovens and. uh various robots which were associated. with those. Like for instance there was. a packaging machine that would just all. it would do is form boxes. That's it. All it did it just that's it. But it. would form, you know, a thousand boxes a. minute. And it was a it was a giant. robot and it had a huge sequence of. functions on it. You know, when people. think robot, they always think humanoid.

But almost no robot. >> is is in any way humanoid at all. You. know, they're that's just not what. they're for. >> It is weird, right, that we think of. robots as like movie robots. We think of. iRoot. >> Yeah. If if you came across a robot in a. factory, you would have no idea it was a. robot. You'd be like, "What the hell is. that? So, how did you go from that to. debating people online? >> Uh, co. So, the Yeah, the lockdowns. happened and I was laid off. The all the.

food plants in Michigan were shut down, especially the meat plants and that's. where I was. I was in the meat plants. >> and uh and they all shut down be because. of the draconian restrictions of one. Gretchen Whitmer. And um anyway, while. she was out with, you know, on a boat. partying with uh you know, with her. honey, we were all locked out of work, right? >> So, familiar story. >> Yeah. We had the stay at home orders and. I would argue with these dumb liberals. on Facebook and uh and they man, they.

pissed me off. And so, I started. crashing their panels and I would debate. with them and um you know, I had a lot. to say and those things started to. become more and more popular and they. would move over to YouTube. People would. clip it. Then I started getting invited. on to do debates with other people. And. I didn't know who these people were. It. wasn't my world. Like I didn't know who. any of these podcasters were, you know, stuff like that. I'd listen to it maybe. occasionally. >> online, but like I I couldn't have told. you who like Vosch was or Destiny or any. of these PE. Like I didn't know who any.

of them were. >> Um and I didn't care. To me it was just. some other dumb smug liberal, you know? So um that's where I got my start. I. never would have foreseen at all that. I'd be sitting here with you. That's so. in Well, I never would have foreseen I. would have been here either. >> It's weird, huh? >> Yeah. Oh, it's weird. Very weird. >> And I'll never get used to it. People. walk over and they're like, "You're. Andrew Wilson." And I'm like, "I'm. [ __ ] nobody." You know what I mean? But it's nice to meet you. You know, shake their hand, you have a chat with. them.

>> Uh, I'll never get used to it. >> No, you probably shouldn't. It's. probably better to not get I'm not used. to it. >> Yeah. Used to it. >> It's probably better to not be used to. it. >> Keep you sane. >> And maybe keep you humble. Yeah, you. need something. You need something to. keep you humble. We all know people that. did not have something that kept them. humble and they lost their their way. The wheels fall off. >> Yeah. They lose their marbles. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Especially as you get more and. more famous. It becomes more and more. unmanageable. >> I was I feel like I I'm pretty well.

grounded uh due to the fact that um I. didn't come from a political background. There's no famous people in my family, you know, there's just none of that. And. so I feel like the the grounding is. always there because uh you know even. even from the family you get the call. like from from my brother for instance. like he's been calling me the I don't. know if you can say the felur here so I. won't but he's been calling yeah [ __ ]. He's been you know he's been like the. the phone call since I was 15. What are. you doing [ __ ] Has not changed. >> Good. >> It has not changed. You know 42. He's.

like happy birthday [ __ ] [laughter]. >> That's normal. >> Yeah. >> I remember you were having a. conversation. I think it was on Pierce. Morgan who is the best cat wrangler in. the business. >> That's what he does. He cat wrangles. >> Yeah, I just talked to him briefly. >> Is he okay. >> on Well, that's what I asked him. I just. Yeah, I sent him a DM and I was like, "Hey, >> for people don't know, he fell.". >> Yeah, he fell. >> and really [ __ ] himself. >> And it was the hip and at his age, the. hip, >> you know, you don't want to Nothing with. the hip. Every time I see anybody who's.

60s. >> Mhm. >> they get the hip injury, it's it's bad. >> Yeah. It's not good. I think they they. think your lifespan post hip surgery is. like 10 years. >> Yeah, it's right. And that. >> he'll probably be better than that. >> He will. >> And I think he's mobile. >> Oh, that's good. >> He's mobile, but I'm. >> really good at hip replacements now. >> I was like, what's you know, are you are. you doing? He's like, yeah, you know, I'm I'm doing okay. And and I was like, don't [ __ ] around with the hips, dude. >> It's crazy that he had to have a hip. replacement. Like, how bad was that.

fall? >> Uh yeah, I don't know. I don't know what. the details of it were, but. >> I fell like a sack of spuds, he wrote. [laughter] Wound up needing a new hip. after fracturing the neck of his femur. and is recovering from surgery. In. addition to being on crutches for 6. weeks, he won't be allowed to take any. longhaul flights for at least 12 weeks. He tripped on a small step inside of a. lust a London restaurant in the tumble. You think he's drunk? >> He could have been a little fired up. >> A little drunk. was also is, you know, not the most fit or agile guy in the.

world. >> True. >> You know, >> Yeah. >> He's only two years older than me. >> No way. >> Yeah. >> Really? >> Mhm. >> Not crazy. >> Yeah. Damn. >> Yeah. Some people. >> don't take care of themselves. >> Yeah. He got he got the crack. Yeah. I. got to quit these. But yeah, he got the. crack on the on the hip and I was like, man. >> Do you think that American spirits are. better than Marorrow for you? >> Probably. >> Yeah. >> But they taste like [ __ ] Do they? Is. there a difference? You really like the. Marbo taste? You don't think you get.

used to American Spirits? >> I think I could. >> Um. >> I've been trying the cigarellas. Those. have been helpful. Like the little mini. cigarette cigars. >> Oh yeah. Ron White used to smoke those. He just quit totally. He went to a. hypnotist, quit instantaneously. But. those are loaded with nicotine. Like way. more nicotine than a cigarette. He was. smoking those [laughter] little tins. We. have those. >> What are those tins, Jamie? Do you know. what they are? >> It's like a like a famous cigar company.

sells tins of these little tiny cigars. And it's great if you don't have the. time to smoke this. Like you get out of. a flight, you just want to have a small. But he inhales these [ __ ] like. a cigarette. >> That's brutal, dude. [laughter] That'll. do you in. And then washes it down with. whiskey. >> Well, he doesn't drink anymore. He quit. drinking. Yeah. I think he went. >> That was always in his bit, though. He. was always up there smoking and. drinking. And I always thought, >> I love that. It was. >> Well, he did it. He did it till the.

wheels fell off and then um the drinking. was the big one. You know, he went to a. doctor and the doctor's like, "You're. going to die.". >> Yeah. >> Like your liver is not in good shape. Like if you back off now, you'll. probably live. If you don't, you're not. You got like a few years left. >> Well, alcoholics too, they have it. I. don't know if he was one or not. He. might have just been like a heavy social. drinker, but like real alcoholics, that's no way to live. >> No. I mean, uh, they stink. >> They They're like I mean, kind of.

everything about a real alcoholic is. just they look completely unwell. >> They're just kind of mangled, you know? >> Yeah. >> It's a weird disease, too. Uh, in that. that addiction is one that you can't. quit. >> You can't just cold turkey. >> You'll die. >> You'll die. There's only a couple of. things that'll just kill you if you quit. right away. And alcohol is one of them, which is really crazy because it gets. integrated into your biological system. where you need it to stay alive. Your. body's like, "Okay, we're going to use. this for fuel. Going to use this to.

function.". >> Yeah. They've been weaning people off. alcohol with beer for centuries. >> Is that what they use? Beer. >> Yeah. They used beer. They would just. go, "Okay." And well, it was pretty. common to drink beer and ale with. dinner, you know? >> They just weenie off with beer. >> That makes sense. >> They knew. They knew hundreds of years. ago there's books on how alcohol, you. know, what do they consumption or. whatever they called it. >> Uh they killed you if you just if you. just quit if you're an alcoholic and so. they'd wean off with beer. >> Wonder when they started making hard. liquor cuz you would imagine like.

fermented things like wine and beer were. like the first things that people. consumed. >> I think it's been around for thousand I. mean several thousand years. >> I wonder I wonder like how they figured. it out. The biggest the biggest uh what. was it the biggest distributor in Europe. of wine was the Catholic Church. >> Well, wine has certainly been around. forever, but like what about hard. liquor? Jamie, put that into our sponsor. perplexity. When was the first what. known? I mean, we don't really know. because there's so much weird [ __ ] about. history, but like what was the first.

in like documented hard liquor like. whiskey, vodka, [ __ ] like that? That's. the That's the stuff that kills you. If. you die from beer, boy, you you're. [ __ ] you're going hard. Like Shane. Gillis will sit here on a podcast and. drink 16 Bud Lights. Um, first alcohol drinks were fermented. things like beer, wine, me. Okay. Thousands of years before true liquor. Okay. First rec recognizable liquor.

appears when people began to distill. Archaeological evidence shows fermented. drinks. Okay. That's around 7,000 B.CE. So clear of is of true alcohol. distillation. Chinese rice beer dist. distillates. by about 800 BCE. >> Yeah. >> So a couple thousand years. >> Couple thousand years. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Wind into strong spirits. The Arab. alchemists. Alul. Oh, interesting. Using the term.

alul, the root of alcohol. Well, they used they used alcohol as. base for for alchemy, too. That was a. base for trying to transmute metal. Yeah. >> I wonder if they were ever successful. >> They were never successful. >> Nothing. >> No. >> It seems like a crazy thing to waste so. much time on trying to turn lead into. gold. >> I mean, there there was whole kingdoms. spent trying to figure out how to do. this. >> Wild. >> And it's just like and they never I. mean, you think about it, it makes. sense, right? If you're the first one,

>> if you're the one who knows. >> Mhm. like you can just create as much. wealth for yourself as you want. >> Oh yeah. >> And uh. >> it's just amazing that they kept trying. Must have been someone saying that they. got it. I got it, dude. Just give me. some money. >> Oh, there's tons of frauds. >> Yeah, >> there was tons of frauds who were. alchemist who, you know, there were the. that centuries version of a snake oil. salesman, you know. Yeah, of course we. can we can turn and there there was ones. even in the '9s who were like, we can. now turn, you know, base metals into. gold. I think there's something now.

where they can make some gold, but I. think it takes an incredible amount of. energy. >> and. >> cost more to make than it's worth, >> right? I think it's one of them deals. Is that a fact? I feel like I've read. something like that fairly recently, but it's Here's the weird one. Why gold? Like, why does anybody give a [ __ ] about. this metal that you can't even use? >> There's not much of it, >> right? That's true. >> Is what they saying there's um 90% of.

all the gold ever discovered still in. circulation, >> right? Yeah. Well, China just found a. huge vein of gold. An enormous amount. But I mean, when you say enormous, it's. like relative. Yeah. Because I think the. entire world supply of gold will fit. inside of a football field. >> Yeah. There's not much of it. >> Yeah. >> It's very I mean, and very little of it. is worth a lot. I mean, even if you. think a pirates treasure chest, you. know, it's not actually that much gold, >> right? So it's yeah it's. >> it's a box of gold.

>> extremely valuable and also you can do. things with it you can't do with other. metals and same thing with silver you. know silver. >> scientists mimicking the big bang. accidentally turn lead into gold yeah so. this is the thing but I mean again I. think mimicking the big bang like what. are they using a particle collider like. what are they doing. okay how they do it how to steal a. proton protons found the nucleus of an. atom so extreme extremely small amounts. In fact, a total of some 29 trillionth.

of a gram they made. Okay. Smashing lead. atoms into each other. Extreme. So, it. is a particle collider. I guess uh the. working on the Alice experiment and the. large hydron collider. Yeah, there it. is. In Switzerland in incidentally. produced small amounts of gold. >> You just need a you just need a. partider. That's all. No big deal. No. big deal. You just build it into a whole. mountain. And now they're building a. second one. They said they're building. into a new mountain, >> right? [laughter]. >> Well, there was one they were putting. during the Clinton administration. They.

were building a particle collider. somewhere in the middle of America. I'm. trying to figure out where it was. >> I'm certain there's already more than. one. >> Oh, there's many particle colliders. >> Yeah. But I'm certain there's ones that. are. >> that are even probably larger and hidden. than the one that's currently there. Yeah. >> Really? You think so? >> Yeah. Oh, for sure. >> What do you think they're doing with. them? Well, I mean, the military. applications for that are like they're. enormous. The idea that uh you could. make like some kind of particle weapon,

you know, or something like this. >> Oh, right. Right. Right. >> Um Yeah. There's no way that the that. the US military is going to let. scientists have a gadget like that. somewhere that they don't have complete. control over. There's no way. I wonder. because I I don't know what kind of. military applications you would have for. particle colliders. I mean, for sure, >> big explosions, right? >> There's probably Yeah, but you're just. you've got a giant loop and you're. slinging. >> smashing things together, right?

>> Yeah. >> So, what I mean, what do you do. together? You can make them go boommy. boom, right? >> Kind of. Well, the real concern with the. Large Hadron Collider is they were going. to create many black holes that were. going to eat their way through the Earth. that you wouldn't be able to stop them. They would just like slide through the. Earth, >> you know. >> Yeah, I heard that. I heard they were. concerned they were going to open up a. portal to a different dimension. I've. heard like I've Yeah, I've heard all. sorts of Yeah, we changed our timeline. >> We're on the new timeline. You know, the. uh the whole nine yards. I I've I've.

heard it all. I'm just saying that. anything. It's just been my experience. Look, when I look through the historic. record that if there's any scientific. gadget out there that looks like it has. the potential to make something go boom, the United States military has a version. of it somewhere. >> Yeah, that makes sense. That makes. sense. But for whatever reason, they. abandoned this one during the Clinton. administration. I I don't remember why. they abandoned it, but you could people. can if they have access to the area. where it's at can still go inside of it.

and see like what they started to build, but they never did. But it would have. been larger than the large hydron. collider. I want to say it's in Georgia. >> I don't remember though. But it's a it. was going to be an enormous particle. collider. >> Yeah. >> And for some reason they just stopped. funding to this thing. But. >> well, they're talking about funding. another another one that's twice the. size the one that they have now. They. say that they need more room to smash. more particles together. >> What are they trying to do? >> I have no idea. Like that is way outside.

of of my domain. Um, I can tell you I. probably the same things you've heard, right, is uh they're trying to smash. small particles together to see what. happens. That's what the kind of the. official story is. But it's funny. because every time a new story comes. out, it's like. >> scientists smash this together with this. and this happens. And I'm always like, "Okay, well, what does that mean?" And. you never get any of that. Right. >> Right. >> This one was in Texas. >> Oh, was in Texas. Yeah. The Clinton. Okay, that's it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Spent $2 billion on it and abandoned it.

I wonder. See if you can find some. images of it. >> Yeah, it's outside of Dallas. >> Oh, it is outside of Dallas. Okay. >> Abandoned superconducting super collider. site in 2008. Wow. I wonder if you could. buy it. That'd be [ __ ] awesome. >> Get Broen's own [laughter]. particle collider. >> I mean, there's nothing there. It's just. concrete. Finish it. >> What's the big deal? >> Like that weird time machine out in the. desert. That was really funny. >> Let me set up an archery range inside of. it. >> Confirmed this stuff last week.

Department of War confirms plans to. scale direct energy weapons. Did you see. that thing with China? >> Why would they need a hydro collider. though, right? Or you know, particle. well because they want to make stuff go. boom. >> Yeah, direct energy weapons. >> Yes, Department of War has direct energy. weapons. Yes, we are scaling them. Wow. >> Conspiracy theorist went wild over this. >> Told you. >> Well, that was a lot of people. The. really. >> Fallout rifle though. I do. I want my. plasma rifle, right? >> I do. Like if they have plasma rifles, you're going to buy one, right? Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure.

>> You'd probably get a tax stamp. You It. probably be like a lengthy thing to get. >> Um I'm glad you're a gun guy because I. want I wanted to bring up this whole. thing with this guy uh Prey. Yeah. >> And I I haven't talked about it. We. haven't done a podcast since that guy. got killed. Um but that whole thing. for there's a lot of people that don't. understand what's going on and um why. riots only in Minneapolis and why riots. in the place where there's an ungodly.

amount of fraud that has been discovered. >> coincidentally right around the same. time. >> Exactly. Like instantaneously afterwards. the narrative completely changes. Everybody forgets about the fraud. Now. all anybody cares about is ICE and. fascists and Nazis. >> Yeah. >> And um. >> it's uh there's a you know what a color. revolution is. >> of course. >> and for people that don't it's it's a. coordinated effort to cause chaos and. this is a very coordinated thing. The.

idea that this is an organic protest. these these riots organic is nonsense. Um it's provably nonsense because now. they have access to the signal chats. So. they know that these So these people. that. >> Cam Higgby, by the way, yes, he was he's. been on the front lines of this. Um, The. Crucible has been a big supporter of. that effort. Uh, my channel, um, I will. often snipe his coverage while it's. going on, send my audience over to send. in super chats in order to keep this guy.

going. I think that that work is. critical. >> Yes, >> it's critical work. And there's not that. many people doing it anymore because of. how dangerous it has become. >> Yes. And so I'm a big supporter of that. Doesn't mean I agree with everything he. says politically, but what he's doing on. the ground there needs to happen, >> right? We need you need to understand. that this isn't organic. Regardless of. how you feel, I don't feel that that guy. should have been shot. Um, but I. understand what happened and what. happened was chaos. So what hap first of.

all, it wasn't ICE. People need to. understand that [clears throat]. it was uh customs border patrol people. So they were brought in to assist ICE. Um, and they're telling this lady to. stand away and then this cop gets very. aggressive and shoves her. Um, you have. to understand the situation that they're. in, right? And this is not making an. excuse for any of it, but you have to. just just to put it into context. These. people are getting harassed outside of. any hotel they're at. People blow horns.

They try to smash into the hotel. They. dox them. That's why they're wearing. masks. It's a coordinated effort. I'm. not saying that guy should have shoved. that guy. I don't think he should have. or that woman. I don't think he should. have. And then pepper- sprrayed. And. then the guy who got shot, Prey, he. steps in, which is if you know anything. about concealed carry, if you are a. concealed carry holder and you are. carrying not just a pistol, but two full. magazines as well, you do not ever.

physically engage with someone. You also. are supposed to carry your license on. you and you're supposed to uh you're. supposed to have ID on you. All right. You you. >> and you're trained specifically for. this. By the way, I was a CPL instructor. for years. >> Okay. So, you know about it. >> The the thing is there's a framework. here if you don't mind if I add your. framework. >> The framework here is this is a. mathematical formula. So, I've been. following these extremely closely live. um and looking at at how this is done.

Let's go backwards in time. You remember. what was going on in California? Nobody. died in California. There was an ICE. raid on a Home Depot and they went nuts. and they started smashing police cars. They were starting fires, right? This. was not over. Somebody dying. And now. the narrative, they're trying to make. the narrative shift. The Gestapos in. here, you know, murdering American. citizens. Well, and what what was going. on in California then because there was. no American citizens getting murdered. there. What was going on there was they. did an ice raid in a Home Depot, which.

anybody who's been to California knows. that uh you know there's it used to be. that you'd drive down the street and. they would all hang out in front of the. Home Depot and you'd say two, right? >> And they'd hop in the truck and you. would you know they would go Yeah. They. were day laborers, right? >> So it didn't surprise me that they were. there doing daily raids. Okay, that. doesn't surprise me a bit. >> Uh and they they all went ballistic. >> Now here's what was very curious about. the coverage of that. And I had a debate. with a couple of leftists on this. What I saw was what looked to me to be a.

police standown order. There was people. who were breaking into I don't remember. if it was an Amco or a 7-Eleven, but. they were busting into it. The cops were. were on the side corner watching this go. down and do anything. They didn't do. anything about it. >> Right. >> Okay. They if it got too rowdy, they'd. clear it out and then they let them. continue. It looked like a standown. order, like you don't you don't involve. yourself. Well, what I think these guys. have figured out is a mathematical. formula and it works like this. The if. the local police are not going to. protect the federal buildings, then it's. left to the federal police to do this,

right? In this case, ICE is going to. protect its own buildings. The FBI is. going to protect its own buildings. If. the local police aren't going to protect. it and it's surrounded, then who who. does the protection then? And this is. why Trump, he unleashes the National. Guard, but where to those federal. buildings to protect those federal. buildings. That was the whole point of. it. That's And basically anytime he's. unleashed a National Guard that I've. seen, it's two federal buildings to. protect them. And so, uh, the. mathematical formula works like this.

The longer it is that protesters are. engaging with federal officers whose job. is not to do basic street cleanup of. thugs, that's the local PD's job. Uh, the chances that there's an incident, which is going to be a bad incident, is. going to occur. So basically the longer. you're there, the the more attrition. there is, the more engagements you have. with with these federal officers over. time, eventually yes, >> there's going to be something which is. out of pocket that happens or something.

which is escalatory that happens and. they're banking on that. And that's why. ICE is out in front of these or not ICE, the Antifa people are still out in front. of the ICE buildings in front of many. states night after night after night. And it's designed specifically to make. sure it's just ma a math formula, right? The longer we're here and the less the. local PD involves itself, the more. chance of incident between federal. officers and us. >> You're knocking steel against Flint. >> Yep. >> Yeah. You're you're. >> waiting for the fire. >> You're waiting for sparks. >> And um in this particular instance, this.

guy uh clearly had been very involved. Uh I don't know if he was a part of the. signal chats, but when you go to what's. supposed to be a peaceful protest and. you're fully armed like that with two. magazines, it's kind of crazy, right? Like what do you why do you need so many. bullets? >> Now the liberal said prosecond. amendment, too. >> That is wild. >> Wild, which I'm for. >> He had every right. >> Like tell He didn't last month, but.

okay. >> I like it. I like where it's going. I. like that cuz that's kind of a trap. Um, [laughter]. did you see what MSNBC did to his image? >> Yeah. Were they Were they gusty? >> They did the opposite of what CNN did to. me. You know, CNN during the COVID times. turned me green. >> and uh they made me ugly and look like I. was dying and they made him handsome. Yeah. >> So people would be more sympathetic to. him getting shot, which is kind of wild. Like are ugly people less valuable to. MSNBC? >> Less marketable? >> That is crazy to me. Like look at the.

difference. >> Yeah. Look at the difference. They. shortened up his face. They gave him a. little bit of a tan. They widened his. face a little bit. It seems like they. just made him a little handsomemer. >> Yeah. Little hotter. >> They gave him gave him a bit of that. Chad jaw, didn't they? >> They shrunk his nose a little, too, didn't they? They did. They shrunk his. nose. Gave him a little bit of a. handsome jaw. So, he looks like. >> And they made him, if you look at the. shoulders, it even looks like they uh. they may have plumped up the shoulders. there a bit. >> A little bit. Yeah. The one on the right.

looks like looks like he's a little. plumper. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. They they changed the tone. of the color. Wild. I mean, they look at they they changed. his [ __ ] teeth, man. >> Communist news now. >> They gave him veneers. >> Yeah. >> Like look at the difference in his. teeth. He's a much more handsome guy. Like the one on the right is like the. handsome brother and the one on the left. is like, "Fuck, why couldn't I look on. the right hand?". >> Yeah. The one on the right, he they were. twins and he took more of the protein. Right. Right. That was what that was.

what happened. The thing is is like this. doesn't surprise me by the way. Uh this. is um what's going on and it this is a. well orchestrated well-crafted thing. Yeah. >> And the signal chats prove that but we. knew it anyway. >> Yes. >> Involving government by the way. allegedly at least involving Minnesota. state government. >> Well, it involves Waltz. >> Yes. >> So that's not alleged, >> right? That's not alleged. >> It's not alleged that it involves Waltz. It's not alleged that it involves Frey. Right. >> And it's not alleged. Well, what what is. alleged is the allegations of fraud, of.

course, but. >> but there would be a reason why you. would want to distract from all that. fraud and that would motivate you to do. something along these lines. So, let's. go back to the the instance. >> So, um you've got these cops that are on. these CBP guys that are on high alert, right? There's a lot of tension, people. are screaming. If you're in an. environment like that all day, like I've. never been a police officer, but I was a. security guard. And when I was I was a. security guard for Great Woods, and by.

the way, I'm not comparing this in any. way, but I'm just explaining my. mentality when I was there. It was very. much us versus them. It was a small. group of guys that were uh working at uh. I I worked at Greatwood Center for the. Performing Arts in Mansfield, Massachusetts. It's a concert venue in. Mansfield. And this was when I was. fighting. So it was me and uh a bunch of. guys from my taekwond do team got hired.

to be security guards. One of the guys. came and said, "Hey, you guys want to uh. get a job working as a security guard? It's great. You get to see concerts.". And it was like a good pay. And you. know, I was doing a bunch of random jobs. back then while I was competing just to. sort of pay bills. And I said, "Yeah, okay. What do I have to do?" And like. it's nothing. You just go there and you. work. First day on the job. I go there, some guy had stolen one of the security. golf carts. So there's this dude named. Alleycat. He was the head guy of. security. He was [ __ ] character. Hilarious. His main dream was to open up.

a a bar. Lib Alleycats, libations, and. victuals. He had this whole dream of. like just a real character. But this guy. was a hardcore [ __ ] And uh they. caught the guy who uh stole this golf. cart, tacked him to the ground, and he. was beating him in the face with a. walkietalkie. This is my first day on. the job. So I'm like, "Okay, so this is. what we're doing." And we kind of became. like almost like cops for this place,

but there was very much an us versus. them mentality. And uh it turns out it. was a lot more involved than I ever. thought it was. And then one day I was. at a Neil Young concert. I was working. the Neil Young concert and riots broke. out. There was fire. It was cold out and. there was like a grassy area. So there. was like a lawn. So it was like there's. the inside, not inside, it was like an. outdoor concert venue, but there was a. roof to part of it and then the back of. it was like this lawn area that was in. the back and these guys had started.

bonfires up there and we we were. supposed to go in there and break up the. bonfires. And then my friend Larry, who. is like one of the most mildmannered. guys you would ever want to meet, but. you know, a elite black belt. He gets in. a fight with this guy and some guy. pushes him and he knocks this guy down. And I'm like, okay, chaos is broken out. Let's get the [ __ ] I'm like, let's quit. Let's get the [ __ ] out of here. And I. used to wear a hoodie. I used to carry a. hoodie so I could just zip up the hoodie. over my security outfit and like, bye. Um because I knew there was going to.

come a time where I was like, I'm not. getting shot, stabbed, killed, whatever, stomped. for 20. So I wound up leaving that day. But. >> you there was a very and I it very. clearly like oh this is probably what. happens with cops times a million. Like. you develop this us versus them because. it was very much us. We would meet up at. the beginning of our shift. We would all. talk about what's going down. We mostly. we were catching people that were. bringing in alcohol like women in their. purses would you know you know like uh.

some Carly Simon or something be. playing. and they'd sneak in a bottle of. wine that you know and James Taylor, you. know, there was a lot of that. And so we. would we'd have like literal. [ __ ] trash cans filled with bottles. of wine and liquor at the end of the. night. We would get to keep them. We'd. take them home. And so this us versus. them. >> That's a nice perk. >> It was kind of fun. >> Yeah, that's a nice perk. It's like. >> also I was illegal to drink. I was only. 19 at the time. But. >> an even nicer perk. Yeah, [laughter] it.

was very clearly us versus them and the. tensions were very high. >> Like whenever some weird [ __ ] went down, everybody puffed up their chest and. everybody was ready to throw down. And I. was like, "This job is not good." But it. it educated me. I was like, "Okay." And. I in my mind I was like, "Okay, this is. must be like this when you're police. officer again times a million." Uh that. to think of what's going on. >> Why they have their codes, right? They. have the they have their oaths they take. and then they have their little codes to. each other too.

>> Exactly. Exactly. >> But I wouldn't I don't blame them. Like. it seems completely there's a a certain. wisdom to this. >> like hey look that could be me%. >> and so if it's you I'm going to be right. there with you% and then if it's me. you're going to be right there with me. I get it. Also, there's a tremendous. amount of social media content that. anybody could access at any given time. where a lot of these dorks are calling. for violence. You know, it's just it's. all over the place. You could find it. The least likely people that would ever.

be involved in any sort of an. altercation are on Tik Tok calling for. violence. We got to kill these. [ __ ] We got to shoot these. [ __ ] And these guys are out. there in the middle of that. All right. So, tensions are high as [ __ ] And. they're getting screamed out all the. time. They're on red alert. They're. wearing vests. They're carrying guns. >> Well, their wives are getting called and. threatened. And uh they're saying. they're gonna rape their kids. And. they're saying that they're going to. brutalize their family members. And they. give them calls in the middle of the. night. And they whisper to them, "Well, how's your dad such and such doing, you.

know, and just cryptic things like that. and let it go.". >> Uh-huh. Exactly. And this is very. coordinated. It's very coordinated and. organized. And the way they find out all. their information, it's very creepy. So again, I don't. think this guy should have pushed that. lady. I mean, the way he did it was very. violent. She was a small woman and he he. shoved her very violently to the ground. Then this other guy, Prey, gets in. between them, okay? Which again, if. you're a concealed carry holder, is a. giant no. You do not [ __ ] do that.

You do not engage with law enforcement. when you're armed. You shouldn't engage. with anyone. >> ever. Ever. I mean, >> you should be avoiding You should be. trained to avoid conflict. Yes. That's. the whole thing is like uh if you're if. you're armed, you move into that next. level of you need to really be avoiding. conflict. You're not supposed to be in. bars drinking. Exactly. You're not. supposed to be uh you know at big. parties and things like this where. violent things can occur. >> Exactly. >> You know, you can take it to church, defend the church. Other than that, >> like you're supposed to be avoiding.

conflict. >> Exactly. So, uh, he gets in between the. officer and this woman, puts his hands. on the officer, >> and then he gets pepper-sprayed. They go to the ground. There's a lot of. scrambling going on. Now, you have to. understand what happens when you get. pepper-sprayed. Okay. Uh, I've never. been pepper-sprayed, but I did get. teargassed once during Fear Factor. We. did a a fear factor stunt where these. people had to I forget what they had to. do but we we had built this there was.

like a structure and they were inside. the structure and they released tear gas. in this charger. I got hit with it. It's. pretty brutal but. >> it's painful. >> Yeah. It sucks. >> and you can't breathe. >> You can't breathe. Your eyes swell up. You your nose starts running like crazy. Yeah. >> Um. >> and that [ __ ] stays on your clothes. >> You don't think well when that happens. So this this guy's clearly not thinking. well and he can't see and he's you know. and then they're on him, right? So. they're on him and then. one guy whether he yells out he's got a.

gun or grabs the gun first. I I'm not. sure. But there he has a gun. So they. see his gun in the middle of the. scramble. The guy pulls his gun out and. moves off. Now this is where it gets. this is where it gets weird. I I believe the gun was a Sig P32. A a Sig P320 is known for having. accidental discharges. It is uh it has a.

reputation for it. It has a very. specific type of striker. It doesn't. have uh a safety the way some other guns. do. And you can have negligent. discharges with SIGs. >> Now, is the the P320 is that a hammered. model? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, it's not a striker fire. >> No, wait a minute. No, no, it is a. striker fire. It's Let's Well, let's. let's pull Let's pull Let's pull it up. cuz I'm not I know the 365 is built very. differently. The the 320 breaks cleaner, >> but. >> I thought the 320 had a hammer was.

double action and single action. And. then I I. >> You might be right. >> I didn't think it was a striker fire. Most of the P models are not striker. fires that I'm aware of. I could be. wrong. >> Well, the 365 the P365 is definitely. different than the 320. Yeah, >> they have a different striking. mechanisms. They're known for accidental. discharges. >> Okay. Um I can't tell if that's a hammer. underneath the slide. >> Well, let's um just just What is this? What is the trigger mechanism of a Sig. P320? Put that in there. And what is it.

that makes it prone to accidental. discharges? If you look up SIG P320. online in any search engine, accidental. discharge comes up very quickly. >> Oh, it is striker fired. Yeah. Okay. Okay. >> So, it's a modular striker fire trigger. mechanism. Uh when pressed, trigger bar. moves forward, disengage the safety. lever in sear releasing the striker. Okay. So, it's a striker fired pistols. Okay. Got it. >> So, as of uh 2017, SIG changed the way they make their guns.

because the trigger itself was heavier. than what it is now. And not just the. pull, but the actual mechanism of the. trigger was heavier if you drop it. So, if uh this is the barrel of the gun. where the bullet comes out and this is. where you're holding on your hand, if. you drop it, it'll it'll discharge and. it'll discharge without rot without. moving the slide, which is kind of crazy. because what happens is something in the. dropping it on the back where the handle. is, >> releases the disconnector probably.

>> It causes that heavier trigger, the. heavier weight to the trigger to drop. down and it will discharge. >> Okay. Uh, as of 2017, they made the. trigger lighter and it doesn't do that. anymore. And there's a whole YouTube. video where this guy explains it and. shows that you can do it with the older. models. If you drop them, if you drop. them on their side, they don't do it. If. you drop them barrel first, they don't. do it. But if you drop them handle first. and it hits the the back where you hold. it, where the, you know, the the the. what is it called? The beaver tail gun.

>> sits where the internal hammer f drops. and bang. >> Exactly. And it's one of the only guns. that does that. Yeah. >> And uh so much so that I believe you. should search this. I believe the Dallas. Police Department stopped uh issuing. them to their officers. See if that's. true. before I go further because I don't I. don't want to get into any legal weeds. here. But I have one. I have a 320. I've. never had a problem with it. Uh I Here. it is. Dallas police suspends use of. pistol manufacturer. Okay. Yeah. And.

it's because of that. So, um, >> what are these chambered in? 940. >> It's nine. >> Nine. >> They're nines. But the, um, so that's. the gun this guy has. >> Mhm. >> So, when this CBP officer grabs his gun, he's moving off and it appears, it's. very grainy the video. It appears. there's an accidental discharge. Now, you can make an accidental.

discharge of this gun without touching. the trigger. If there's any kind of. pressure on the trigger, if it is a. modified trigger, if there's anything. that engages with it, even even a slight. amount and you move the slide. >> at all, that gun will go off. And. there's videos of it online. You could. find videos online. See if you can find. videos of it online where a guy shows. how you can get that gun to to negligent. discharge because it will. It will, at. least the pre 2017 model. Um,

>> I don't I didn't see his hand go on the. slide of the gun, though. >> Yeah. Well, he's holding it in a It's. the hard thing is it's [ __ ]. >> Yeah, you can't see. I looked at it from. both angles, but it looked to me like he. was holding it um by the handle with no. finger on the trigger. But it does seem. >> like, at least in some of the takes that. I've seen, I may be wrong, but it seems. like that gun might have negligent. discharged. Now,

>> usually when someone's holding a gun and. there's a negligent discharge, it's. because they they pulled the trigger, right? >> Right. >> So, in this case, let's I'm I mean, I'm. going to assume it for a second. So, the. gun drops on the side, striker fired. Let's say it's I don't know what the. mechanism is. Well, let's say the. disconnector that makes the disconnector. go. The hammer drops, bam, hits the. primer, gun fires. >> Gun fires, hits the ground. These guys. think they hear gun. These guys think. this guy might have a gun in the. scramble. They don't know. This is all. second high pressure. They opened fire.

on him. >> That's what I believe happened, you. know. So when people say, "Oh, they. straight up executed this guy. >> Think you better. It there's a little. more nuance there. >> There's more nuance to it. There's. chaos. There's the fog of chaos. You're. in the middle of this like very high. stress situation where you've already. pepper- sprrayed this guy. Now you're in. a physical scramble. Someone says he has. a gun. Gun goes off. Bang bang bang. You're just shooting." Mhm. >> I'm assuming this is just a lot of, you.

know, a lot of guess, >> but that's a lot of bad stuff that has. to happen in sequence. Like the the fact. even if this gun is recalled as a model. uh that had these issues, right? I'm. guessing that it wasn't every every one. of them that had the issues. Some of. them, right? Probably not all. >> Um and if it's because it has to have a. lot of force for it to go off or the. slide has to be, >> you know, you have to be moving the. slide or something like this. What I saw. was him holding the pistol, how you or I.

would hold the pistol with the finger. off the trigger. >> I did not actually see like what would. have caused that force. >> This is where it gets weird. So, there. have been documented instance like the P. the the SIG P320. There's a lot of legal stuff involved in. this. There's there's tons of cases. Some of them are [ __ ] Like there. was one cop where they said the cop got. shot because the gun accidentally went. off and everybody's like, "Oh man, Sig's. in trouble." Turns out that cop had to.

recant that and he accidentally hit the. trigger and shot a cop. >> But he he want So this is one. So this. guy, his gun just goes off. >> Now he doesn't have his finger on the. trigger. It just goes off. Now there's. another one where a cop is in the middle. of a precinct and he leans forward. >> He's got the holster on the outside. He. leans forward and the gun goes off. He. does not have his hand on the trigger. He's not touching the gun at all. See if. you can find the one where the cop does. it. So, there's a cop where he's in the.

precinct. His gun is Now, here's the. question. Was there something touching. the trigger? Was it the holster bad? Was. there Was there debris in it? Was there. something? Was there was his his shirt. touching it? Did he Did he jam the gun. in the holster and maybe like his shirt. got stuck in it touched the trigger? There's also the second gun theory. >> And then he moves forward if the guy had. a second gun. >> There's also the second gun theory. So, I I understand what you're saying and. maybe it met all of the conditions for.

that. >> It does seem unlikely to me, but it's. possible um that he's just holding it. and it just happens to go off. >> It would seem unlikely with any other. gun. So, if the guy had a Glock, >> but both of these cases are from the. holster. This guy's grabbing from the. holster. He's grabbing from the holster. Well, the cop had already pulled it out. of the holster and now he's holding it. >> and then it goes off, >> right? But it's it's so low resolution, it's hard to see what's going on with. his hands. >> So, if there had been some funkiness. with the trigger, you know, who knows.

where he got the gun, who knows whether. or not that gun had an aftermarket. trigger, who knows what's going on. But. as he's doing this, you're in the middle. of the chaos. You're ramped up with. adrenaline. Who knows if that guy. accidentally while he was holding it put. pressure on the slide and caused that. gun to negligent discharge. I don't. know. This is the speculation and the. reason why the speculation is so it's. it's it's this is something we're. talking about is because it's a Sig P320.

and there's so many stories about that. >> It's not outside the realm of. possibility. In other words, >> right, which is the worst case scenario, right? You got all this chaos and you. got that [ __ ] gun and that gun goes. off. Well, let me ask you this. Let's. say we we adjust for this. >> There's an investigation. Turns out that. this 320 model was one of the ones that. uh you know was Yeah. or something like. this or it was issued after the fact and. it's brand it's newer. Let's just say. it's it's newer and they've gotten this. design flaw out of there. Let's just.

assume for a second. >> All those things being equal now, right? When a leftist points at that and says. that's an execution, what what's your. opinion then? If it if it's the case. there is no there is no negligent. discharge, there is none of that. What. like how would you view it then? >> Well, it's a extremely unfortunate case. of what happens during chaos. >> Yeah, I agree. >> I don't think it's an execution. I don't. think they pulled the gun from him and.

then just shot him. >> But that's rhetoric being used, right? >> It is. But you know which you you're. automatically going to have if you have. a guy get shot. Um. do we can we watch a video? Let's watch. a video and see if we can discern when. the shot fires off cuz does it before or. after they say he's got a gun? Cuz. someone says he has a gun, one of the. officers removes the gun and then a shot. goes off. >> Yeah. Now, there's another speculation.

that the guy who shot him had a. negligent discharge. He didn't like. maybe he had his hand on the trigger and. he got a little amped up and it went off. and then he just [ __ ] fired into him, kept going. That's possible, too. I not. exactly sure. It's there's a ton of. angles, ton of different cell phone. angles. None of them are really crystal. clear. And the thing that's interesting. about this is I'm even willing to kind. of grant it to the left just on. appearance alone for a second just for. the sake of uh of like logically taking.

this to its conclusion. Let's say that. the cops were totally wrong on this. They they messed the whole thing up. They screwed it up. They it was a. negligent discharge from the officer. himself. It killed this guy. It was. totally unjustified. Okay. But now what? Right. Is it is it. the case that we're gonna what stop. deporting illegal immigrants? We're. gonna stop uh you know that ICE is gonna. stop Border Patrol is going to stop. doing its job? IC is gonna stop doing. its job because of a single incident.

even if all of the officers involved. were incorrect. Of course not. That's. ridiculous. Right. The thing about this. incident is it's being used as a. catalyst to now say they're the they're. the Gestapo just like they were trying. to do with Renee. They're the Gestapo. They're here to to uh you know uh be the. jack booted thugs of the Trump. administration. That's being used now as. the new rallying cry and catalyst for. the and it's post hawk justification. That's what makes me so angry about is. it's like no no no. You're out here.

doing all of this long before anybody. was getting uh shot by ICE. Okay. You. were doing this long before there was. any supposed abuses by ICE. It seems. like they're the what they do is they. set up the reactions, right? They set up. the conditions, maximize the conditions. for horrible actions to happen. And then. when they do, they use those as the. justification for why they were ever out. there in the first place. And it's like, what's going on here? That's that's what. bothers me. >> Right? This is the quintessential. description of the color revolution. I.

mean, that they're they're trying to. create chaos. And um is again, it's very. well funded and very well organized. It's not as simple as this is an organic. protest that people are fired up because. ISIS is in their community. That's not. really what's going on. >> at all. >> But I think there's a lot of good people. that are wrapped up in that that think. they're doing a good thing and they. really do think they're fighting fascism. because they exist in these bubbles and. they're they're. >> I believe them. Yeah, >> I do believe them that they think that.

they're fighting against fascism. And I. I've I've debated with enough of these. people on the what historically fascism. is in comparison to what they perceive. it as that I do think that they believe. that 100%. >> It's I just think it's an unjustified. belief and I think it's uh it's. ridiculous, but. >> it's not accurate. >> It's not accurate. >> You know, one of the things that we went. over the other day um is we talked about. the deportations, right? and that. there's been somewhere in the. neighborhood of uh 2 million.

deportations, but 1.6 of them were like self. deportations. 1.6 of them were like. people were notified and they said, "Well, just get the [ __ ] out of here. I. don't want to be in jail.". >> Yeah, good. >> And then a half a million of them were. and then but people are saying very few. of them have have been violent. criminals. But we found out there was. like 8%. >> This is just 8% of what we know has been. caught. That is a lot of violent. criminals. If you go to half a million.

people and 8% of them are murderers and. rapists and they snuck in during not. even snuck in because they were allowed. access to the United States over the. last four years. Somewhere to the tune. of let's be like super charitable. Let's. say it's only 10 million cuz I think. it's a lot more and they don't a lot. more. >> Yeah. They don't really know the number. because it's really the numbers that. they're giving are based on. interactions, right? But how many people. snuck through and they didn't have an. interaction with them? It's a lot, man. It's a lot of people. And they did this. [ __ ] on purpose. And they did this [ __ ].

because they want more congressional. seats because the census doesn't count. citizens. It doesn't count legal. citizens. It just counts human beings. So the more citizens you have in an. area, the more congressional seats you. have. And then there's places like. California that make it illegal to show. your ID. You're not allowed. Not only. are you not, which you should have to. show your [ __ ] ID when you vote, right? So we know that you're legally. voting. They made it so you can't show. your ID, which is the only the only you.

could steal man this to the end of time. The only reason why you do that is. because you want to cheat. It's the only. reason. >> Of course. Well, it's not just that. But. you make you make a good compelling. point here. The idea, even if it was the case, let's. just say almost none of them are violent. criminals. Let's just give it to them. just kind of for the sake of argument. here. We'll give it to them. So what? The people don't want them here. That's. it. You're these are supposed to be the. biggest believers in democracy and. republicanism ever. That's what they're.

fighting against is the evil fascists. It's like, well, here the people spoke. Okay. >> And the people said, >> "We don't want illegal immigrants here. We want them out of here. It doesn't. matter what the conditionals are for. violent criminality or not violent. criminality. the if you're really a big. believer in the republic like you claim, why is it that when Trump gets elected. to do exactly this job, you impede it at. every turn? >> Yeah, they don't want it to happen. because it was a part of the strategy.

for you a uni party. I mean, this is. Elon came on and was, >> you know, was very passionate about. wanting to explain this to people. I. mean, it's one of the reasons why he did. it before the election. Like you have to. understand the plan that's in place. And. what they're doing is they're trying to. make it so that no one but by the. Democrats can ever win ever again. And. one of the best ways to do that is ship. untold numbers of people to swing. states. >> Yeah. Which is what they're doing. >> It's what they did. They didn't just do.

it. They flew them out there. They gave. them EBT cards. They put them on social. security. We had this woman, we. documented, we we talked about this. woman who uh worked for God, I forget. which department, but her job was to. turn these people from illegal. immigrants into what she described they. described to her as clients. >> And so you would tell these people, are. you Yes. So her her question was to. them, do you have a permanent.

disability? So do you have headaches? Does your back hurt? I get headaches. My. back hurts. I guess I'm permanently. disabled. And all you have to do is like. you don't have to have like like clear. evidence. You have all your [ __ ]. discs are fused. You can't walk or you. have Yeah. No, you just have to have a. [ __ ] back hurt. Your back hurts. Well, what [ __ ] man who's a laborer. who's uh 35 years old doesn't have. [ __ ] back pain like you all do. So. they come to you, they said, "You have. headaches and back pain.".

>> What man is an office worker doesn't. have back pain? [laughter]. Exactly. [ __ ] everybody does. You get. older, you get back pain, especially if. you don't take care of your back. And so. these guys are are all being roped into. the system and then they get money. They. get social security money. They get. money from taxpayers in essentially. forever. So if you can get those people. to vote, they will most certainly vote. for the people that are giving them that. money, right? most certainly vote for.

the people that are moving them into the. Roosevelt Hotel in New York. >> Just like how Muslims will vote, even. though at the local level they oppose. all leftist policy, they'll vote at a. national level for leftists because they. bring in their family members. They. bring in they they allow the the. importation of people that they want. here. >> So yeah, they're they they utilize the. system. >> for uh for the aims. And for Democrats, this is all good. And of course, for. Republicans, it's all bad. And Elon's. right. It is he is right that Democrats.

and here's what I see the bird's eye. view right Trump what they're going to. do Democrats going to win the midterms. by hook or by crook they're going to win. the midterms and when they do if they. have the power in the house to do this. they're going to impeach him day one and. we'll have now it'll be the thrice. impeached president right and they'll. obstruct him they'll obstruct his agenda. the entire step of the way under this. elongated impeachment and they'll just. run out the clock. >> you Yeah, let's just run it out. >> It's It's all pretty [ __ ] crazy. It's.

really crazy. Gads has a great u way to. describe this. He calls it suicidal. empathy. And you know, a lot of these. people that are on the left that are. self-described leftists, they're very. kind people. And they they want, you. know, everyone to have a chance to live. in America and be good people. and they. don't understand they're being used as. pawns by much more cynical people that. are just trying to get total control.

And if you want to know what total. control looks like and what kind of. restrictions could be imposed on a. western society, look no further than. the UK. Look what's going on in in. England right now. 12,000 people have. been arrested so far last year for uh in. the last year rather for social media. posts. just social media post. criticizing immigration. Um there was. some new thing that they uh just passed. that makes it so that you're supposed to.

tell on people who are talking in pubs. who are having conversations in pubs. that you think are dangerous. conversations. >> There was that woman in the UK who was. said and then called the guy a name via. text. >> Yes. She called him a [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> She called Yeah. He was sex she was. sexually assaulted. She called him a. [ __ ] and then she was arrested. >> Yeah, she was arrested. I was and I. remember arguing on Pierce Morgan. I was. debating with a leftist on this. This. was the topic at the time.

>> Yeah. >> And the leftist who looked at me like to. he was a [ __ ] too. Said uh he was. defending it tooth and nail, right? This. is a good thing because we want to get. rid of stigma. The idea is to try to. destigmatize the thing. You see, words. create stigma and stigma creates harm. values and harm values are evil. They're. bad. That's that's the whole moral. system. If it if we reduce harm, that's. moral. If we increase harm, that's. immoral. >> So that it that's the zero sum way that. they look at this, right? If you're.

increasing it bad. If you're decreasing. it good. So if we're decreasing. stigmatization of an activity that we. think is protected, then that's reducing. harm. Therefore, that's the moral. position. >> Crazy. >> They are crazy. That is actually a crazy. way to look at the world. Well, it's. very dystopian. It's it's very spooky. that it it's happening so quickly and. that the UK has become the the leader in. the world for arresting people for. social media posts. No one would have.

ever saw that coming five, six years. ago. But this is what happens when you. get total control of a population. You. don't and you don't stop where you're. at. You continue to move forward. You. continue to try to get more and more. control. And this is this new thing. where they're trying to u uh get people. to turn people in for bar talk, which is. just crazy. It's just crazy. So that's. where it goes. If you're really a. liberal, a real liberal, a real. progressive person who really believes. in free speech, you should believe in.

all speech. And you have to. I mean, this was the ADL's position way back in. the day when they would allow the Ku. Klux Clan to march. They would say, "Look, >> and then fight for the right to do so.". >> Yes. I mean, this is what it used to be. Yeah, >> there used to be an understanding that. as complicated as this thing is, you've. got to allow people to say horrible. things so that you can counter them with. better points and you make a better. argument and that people see your side. and then society moves forward in a. generally possible. >> you know in the online dialectic the way. that it moves between group and I and I.

think that now uh online influencers. podcasters political commentators. actually do have political they have. some political capital now which can be. spent the same way low-level polit. Politicians have political capital which. can now be spent. They actually are. connected often times with politicians. and operate as mouthpieces uh on behalf. of whatever that political arm is. >> Well, you would say that about the right. too, wouldn't you? >> Of course, but I don't see it as. prevalent as I do uh with the left. The. the left, for instance, there was a a.

whole thing that used to go on on Twitch. where an organization came in and bought. up all the Twitch mouthpieces. Uh that's. what they did. And like this this is. this is something which has been going. on for a long time. >> But what's interesting with the. political capital angle from these. leftists they don't care what the means. are. You see the the ends are what. that's all they care about, right? The. the means to get there totally. irrelevant to them. From their view.

though, that makes a sick sort of sense. They believe that they're fighting. against Nazis, >> literal Nazis. Right. >> So, if you believed that you were in a. war with literal Nazis, what wouldn't. you do to complete that war? What what. means wouldn't you go to, what means of. sabotage would you not do? What cars. would you not blow up? What cops would. you not eliminate in order to stop the. rise of the new Hitler? >> Right. >> And it's like, and they're they're. expending their political capital on. that message. And that message has a lot.

of influence on people. >> Yeah. It also. there there's so many people that are. getting attention by feeding into the. rhetoric. There's so many people that. are making viral clips of them. threatening you like menacing like these. weird dorky liberal guys like these guys. that you would think of pacifists are. literally calling for violence. I got. one of them because it's like the most. unlikely guy. Like you see this guy. doing this, you're like, "Hey buddy, like who? What? What are you saying?

[laughter]. >> Who who who's following you into battle? >> Yeah. Who's I'm gonna I'm gonna send you. because it's it's the way he says it too. is so like like he's watched too many. [ __ ] TV shows. Um this guy let's cuz. it's it's the terminology that he uses. that is it's actually kind of funny. If. it wasn't so scary. Put this on real. quick. >> Sure. cuz it's so. [laughter] you see this guy's doughy. face and [snorts]. his understanding of real violence.

Listen to this. >> When combat starts, we all roll. initiative. I'm going to say that again. And anyone, everyone knows what I'm talking about. when I say this. When combat starts, we. all roll initiative. [laughter]. >> I mean, I hate to laugh. because it's. kind of [ __ ] serious because they're. they're they're inciting violence and. they're they're calling for. insurrection. They're calling for people. to, you know, take to the streets and.

start violence. But that guy like what. what like. >> you're not going to roll initiative. >> What does it even mean? >> Well, I mean I think I think it just. means we all go, >> right? >> When violence start, we we all go. >> Dungeons and Dragons reference. >> Is it rolling? You're not going to roll. >> Oh, [laughter] rolling. >> No, no, no. >> Wait a minute. It's. >> No. The tweet says Dungeons and Dragons. in it. I don't even know. >> Oh god. >> Says Dungeons and Dragons nerds means. business, I think. >> Oh, so do a search on that. Does roll.

initiative is that a part of Dungeons. and Dragons roll that? Cuz I only know. of Dungeons and Dragons from Strange. >> So, does his does his AR do 2d6 damage? It's [laughter] like, >> but it's just the the menacing way that. he stares into the camera in combat. >> Rolling for initiative determines the. turn order in combat. Each player and. monster rolls a 20-sided die and adds. their dexterity modifier. Oh god. But I. mean, this is what I'm saying. It's like.

it's a lot of it is cosplay. >> That does sound like he is saying. though, we all go there, right? >> Yes. Yeah, it sounds like it's that's. what he's saying. And it's also. >> it gives meaning to people whose lives. do not have a lot of meaning, right? Like all of a sudden you're a part of a. greater cause. You're you're a part of a. very important movement. >> Yeah. You're stopping Nazis. >> Yeah. You're stopping Nazis. And it's, you know, relatively safe from the. comfort of your own home staring at your. phone on on TikTok. >> Sure. >> You know, and you get all excited about. it and you cheer. And these are the same.

people that cheered when Charlie Kirk. got shot um for just talking like that. was fine, but this one is not good. You. know, it's it's it's all like it's very. [ __ ] up, man. >> Well, and they're going to kill they'll. kill more commentators. They can get. away with it. Um, happily. I mean, part. of that whole signal chat that's. dangerous that people aren't talking. about. That's probably the mo most. dangerous aspect of it. It it and I. can't prove this, but it's been my. experience that left-wing communities. and leftwing groups, especially online.

communities and online groups, really. pander to the mentally ill in a big way. Really pander to them. And it's I think. that it's a form of weaponization. They. want to attract the extremely mentally. ill into these communities and it it. helps with actually what is. radicalization and they play on the fact. that they're mentally ill in order to do. this. >> Well, this is Antifa, right? Like this. is [clears throat] this is why. >> it's not just Antifa. It goes beyond. that. Like if you go to some of these. Tik Tockers communities, you go to some.

of the online political pundits. communities who are far left. Okay. These people who are in there are Froot. Loops, man. >> Yeah. They are lunatics and they're. pandered to. They're pandered to. Oh, okay. You can't say this to them. That's. abbleist. You can't tell them this is. you're a weirdo because that's mean. You. can't. And not only they pander to, but. I think that that's the source of the. weapon. If it's the case that these. people don't care about death. They. don't care like, oh, the outcome's going. to be death. That guy shot at the uh the.

ICE agents not too long ago, remember? He was on top of the roof. He was. shooting across with I think a mouser. rifle and they they dusted him. and they. killed him or he shot himself. I don't. remember which. >> When When was this? >> This was a few months back. >> I don't know about this one, I don't. think. >> No, there was a guy. He was. >> Is this how callous have I've become? >> Yeah. He was taking shots at uh I. believe it was ICE agents in front of. the ice facility. >> Oh, that's right. That's right. >> Yeah. He was using I believe he was. using like a mouser rifle or something. >> Okay. Now I remember. >> And early on with the Charlie Kirk. thing, they were actually making these.

connections cuz he had used a a mouser. as well, right, to shoot Charlie Kirk. That was the So people were making those. early connections. Wait, is this is this. a sequence of events? Does the mouser. mean something here? Does that. particular rifle have special meaning? You know how people are online. >> Yeah. >> But anyway, uh the interesting thing is. like they don't care if they die. >> They're they're dying martyrs. They. don't care. >> And it's really easy to weaponize. mentally ill people that way because. they don't care. These are the same. people who have the high suicide rates.

for a reason because they're already. mentally ill like the trunes and others. which many of them you find are. connected to trans people almost every. time. >> Also SSRI. >> Yep. And this is the other problem is. that how many of these people are on. these psychiatric medications that. violent ideiation is a part of the side. effects of these suicidal or excuse me. these psychiatric drugs. There's a a a. lot of people that have uh psychotic. thoughts when they get on some of these.

different SSRIs and and different. psychiatric medications. So, you've got. people that are already [ __ ] up. mentally and then you've got them on. these medications that cause them to do. all kinds of crazy things. >> And aren't women aren't women taking. much more in the way of SSRI eye pills. than men are? And who do we see is the. on the bullhorns and loudspeakers at. most of these events? It's women. Well, particularly liberal women, I'm sure you've se seen the statistics, but I I lopsided save them because. they're kind of nutty.

>> Uh the which what's what's interesting. is the like the least mentally ill in. terms of numbers is conservative men. Conservative men, I think it's like. >> cuz they're normal. [laughter] I think. Okay. Young liberal women, 56%. report a mental health diagnosis. Young. moderate women uh 18 to 29 28%. Young. conservative women 27% only slightly.

less. Um so for men. it is uh 34% of all liberal men. 34%. So. a third of all liberal men are mentally. ill. 22% of moderate men and 16% of. conservative men. >> Yeah. But do you know what the lunatics. argue when you bring that up? The these. lunatics, they'll argue, "No, no, no. >> The conservative men are just as. mentally ill. It's just undiagnosed. because there's a stigma in conservative.

communities about going to get your. mental illness diagnosed." And I always. point out, and I think this is an. interesting way to point this out, like. maybe they're not going to get diagnosed. because they don't have a problem. Did. you ever think of that? It's possible. It's possible it's undiagnosed because I. think that is accurate though that there. is a stigma about mental health and. therapy and things along those lines in. conservative I mean if you want to like. >> I agree but I also think that what. happens is um when you're when you're. talking especially about the voodoo that.

is psychology and it is it is voodoo. I. have very little respect for psychology. I don't even consider it science. I. consider that there's scientific methods. used for data gathering, but I don't. consider psychology a science at all. >> And that's psychology. Psychiatry gets. even weirder because then you start. adding medication. You're not just. talking about therapy. >> It's all voodoo to as far as I'm. concerned. I think that men often, especially conservative men, get as much. out of uh, you know, their close. relationships with friends and family as.

they would going to a psychologist. In. other words, just I think just having. somebody to talk to who's a close friend. who's intricately familiar with your. situation probably gives you more value. than going to a complete stranger who. has learned manipulation techniques. That's what they learn essentially is. manipulation techniques. Uh I think. there's more value there. And so I think. that the stigma which exists there. doesn't exist because it's like you're. not manly, which is how they try to. frame it. I think the stigma exists. there because so many conservative men.

go well I tried that [ __ ] and it was. nonsense. I tried it and it sucked. I. tried it and it was worth I I went to. marriage counseling, did nothing. Um, sided with the wife, right? I went uh. for this issue, did nothing. Uh, but. when I went out and had some beers with. my friends, that actually helped relieve. some of these some of these issues. >> I think the problem with that is there's. a lot of guys who don't have good. friends, you know, and you don't have. someone that you can count on, unfortunately. You know, there's just. there's a lot of men out there that are. lost.

>> I agree. But I think that the. conservative men seem to like they have. closer longevity with friends than. progressive men do. >> Yes. And they don't abandon them when. they change their opinions on things. Um. so here's a self-reported data um from. 2022 survey analysis found that 51% of. conservatives report report excellent. mental health [clears throat]. >> compared to 20% of liberals. >> That's a big difference. >> Huge. >> It's a giant difference. >> I don't think stigma could account for. that. >> No, it can't. It It's like It's not just. stigma. It's like it's also like like.

what is what does it mean to be. conservative? Does it mean you know. taking account for your own actions, discipline, hard work ethic? All those. things are actually good for your mental. health like like pulling yourself up and. getting back to work and doing things. >> I think I think now and I think maybe it. always should have been framed this way. I think now for to for the label of. conservative to apply, we really kind of. start with religious foundationalism. >> Mhm. That's what is becoming fast.

becoming the delineation, >> right? Having a framework. >> Having the framework, right? And the. religious framework is almost instantly. going to put you in that moving towards. that conservative camp almost every. single time. >> And uh and I think I think that that's a. necessary component. Now, if we're. trying to make these political. delineations, it becomes tough. What's a. Republican or a neocon versus a. conservative versus a this versus that? It comes down to foundationalism of. framework like you were just saying and.

the framework of Christianity Christian. ethics huge delineation point between. the right and the left who rejects that. for harm principles utilitarianism and. various other uh sorts of frameworks. >> Yeah. And they they'll also point to you. know [clears throat]. what Christianity has done throughout. history and the amount of harm that it's. caused. [gasps]. But it's kind of like every power. structure throughout history you could. point to in that way. >> Well, it was what was there. >> Yeah.

>> The thing is like the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church gets a lot of [ __ ]. for this. >> Well, look at all the horrible things. that the Catholic Church did. It's like, well, the Catholic Church was the whole. known world once, right? >> You know, all of Europe was the Catholic. Church, not, you know, like all of it. was. You can't have organizations which. span whole nations and countries um uh. ethnicities, cultures integrate. themselves into it and and not have. corruption. That I don't care what. system it is.

>> Pointing to it and saying it's because. they were Catholic. That's where it. becomes absurd. Right. >> They were corrupt. There was corruption. >> But because they're human, not because. they're Catholic. >> Right. Right. Um one of the things that. I always try to point out to people, they go, "Why do you go to church?" Like. because when I was younger, I was very. cynical about religion. And then I've. got older, I was one of the things that. I always say is if there was a pill that. could make you as nice as the people. that I go to church with, [laughter]. everybody would be on it. >> Yeah. >> They are the nicest [ __ ] people you.

will ever encounter. When we leave the. church parking lot, >> they're kind. and nice. They're they're all the above. They're like very friendly, happy. people. But when you leave the church. parking lot or even when you're. entering, they're the they everybody lets. everybody in. It's like no one rushes. ahead. It's like you go ahead and then. you go ahead. It's like the most. self-organized. mo most charitable way of exiting a. parking lot I've ever experienced in my.

life. The opposite of a concert. You go. to a great concert, everybody's like. [ __ ] on everybody's bumper trying to. weasel in. People are honking. [ __ ] you. In church, it's like one person goes and. another person goes. No, you go wave and. then everybody's fine and everybody's. happy. It's like if that was if you. could take a pill that could do that to. you. If therapy could do that to you, we. should all be on therapy. We should all. take that pill. >> Philosophy can do that for you because. the phenomenon that you're talking about. is the me philosophy. And so what you're. you're going to church, it's not all. about you, >> right? >> And that's why you have those types of.

interactions with people. Wait, I'm. going you go to a concert. That's for. you. Mhm. >> That's for me, not for these strangers. I'm going there because I want to be. entertained. That's for me. You go to. church, >> it's not for you. >> Right. >> And the thing is is um. >> it's the it's the kind of material. materialism view, the materialistic view. of pure materialism reduces always to. me, me, me, me. Because what else can. there be, right? There's just me and m. the material I engage with. There's.

nothing outside of that. So why engage. as though there's something outside of. that? That doesn't just lead to. nihilism, but it's the beginning stages. of understanding the distinction between. religious foundationalism and uh. basically everything else. The reduction. doesn't come down to me. And that's why. those interactions seem so much better. because they are because people are. thinking about you, right? >> It's like what a concept. Imagine a. world where people think about somebody. besides themselves. >> and they think about they think about.

everybody as a part of a community and a. collective community that you care about. that has value to you and they're you. know there's. >> and then you go why is the mental health. rate so much better in these. communities? It's like well isn't it. interesting how much they think about. other people than just themselves and. duties to those people instead of just. me me. They're the kindest people you. you're ever going to come across. Yeah. And uh I think there's a lot of value in. that. And I think the people that are. cynical about that. >> because they don't want to believe in.

fairy tales or they don't want to be. stupid. They don't want to get duped by. like like there's a a foundation to. that. If you just look, forget about. some of the stuff that's in the Bible. that you know, it gets weird when you. get old like you go back into the old. old stuff because like for sure human. beings had some sort of an influence on. what was written down and what wasn't. written down. But if you get to the. teachings of Christ, I can't find any. faults in it. Like it's all about being.

kind. It's all about this this idea that. we're all in this together and that. you're supposed to lift each other up. and look after each other. There's no. faults in it. It's it's not like you. have to kill the non-believers. It's not. like you get to rape and pillage for the. non-believers and the infidels must die. There's none of that. That's why the. that's why Christians believe in. objective truth that there must be. objective truth because otherwise why is. most of the world following this as.

though it's objective truth. We seem to. be leaning towards this as though this. must be the thing which is objectively. real and objectively true and a thing. which we can point to that is because. when people are introduced to it like. you just said it's really hard and. difficult to find fault in it. It's not. just that. You know, it's interesting. If we reverse it, if we say, "What could. I do that actually would be the best for. me me?" It would still be that. >> Yeah. >> Which is the funniest part of the whole. thing. It's like both ways. It works for.

you if even if it's not all about you or. it works for you. Even if it is all. about you, it's still going to be the. better message out of the two. >> It's it's definitely a better framework. for living your life. And um there's a. lot of people that just reject that that. are that think of themselves as. intelligent, you know, they think of. themselves as intelligent and well read. and educated and they just Yeah, I'm too. smart for that. Too smart for all that. I'm an atheist. >> Yeah. >> Any atheist needs to take eight grams of.

mushrooms. Just. >> do a little DMT. >> Do a little DMT. And you're like, "Oh, I. don't know anything." You You think you. know things. You don't know a [ __ ]. thing. You just know what you've. experienced. And I think that this. the world is better off if people have a. great moral and ethical framework. I. think morals and ethics and being kind. is one of the most important values that. human beings can ever possess if you.

want to live in a productive and healthy. community. >> Completely agree. And uh I think that. kindness I make a delineation between. kindness and niceness. >> is I think it's often kind not to be. nice. >> but I do think that you can be nice and. it may not be kind. >> right. >> and so that's true. >> So I make a delineation between those. things. I don't think that kindness. though has much variance. >> Kindness is looking after the interest. of somebody who's not me. >> and it makes everybody it's it's. actually selfish because it makes you.

feel good too. >> Yeah. There's I mean there is something. you. >> could look at it that way. >> Sure. from from the from the position of. trying to convince the unbeliever, right? Appealing to their self-interest. may not be the worst idea, right? You. know, appealing to like, well, has the. lack of community and the like, let's. just assume for a second. Let's just. assume. >> it's all [ __ ] and it's all nonsense. >> Every bit of it is just totally made up. We just like we just made it up, right? But we all acted as though it was true. If it's the case that your whole. framework is that we just want a society.

that really works well and does the best. it can possibly do for everyone, then. shouldn't you by your own framework just. pretend it's true, >> right? Yeah. >> Shouldn't you just act as though it's. true anyway? >> Jordan Peterson had a very good point. about that. >> Yeah. >> About believing in God that if you. believe if you act as if God is real, you will have a better life. Like it it. it works. It really does work. almost. like a universal truth. >> Yeah. It's it's very fascinating. It's.

fascinating that um people that are. self-p profofessed atheists and people. that think of themselves as too. intelligent for religion won't. acknowledge that. They don't want to. believe that. And so many of them that I. know that are self-professed atheists. are some of the most miserable people. They're they're very depressed. A lot of. them are on psychiatric medications. A. lot of them are in therapy. A lot of. them are really [ __ ] up. >> They're almost cursed. [laughter]. Almost seems like that, doesn't it? And. the thing, well, the thing is.

interesting is like um I've talked with. a lot of atheists, debated with a lot of. atheists, especially on the effects of. Christianity in society against the. effects of atheism. And I know what pure. secular states have led to. That's what. communism was. That was a purely secular. state. Yes. >> Where you really where you really wall. off the church from the state. But here. we pretend that it's secular and they. get all the benefits of it being quote. secular, but it's not secular at all. Right? >> Politicians are constantly voted in.

based on the fact that they have an x. amount of value structure and that's. what they're going to implement. legislatively on you. The whole secular. thing totally made up. It's and and them. pretending that that's even even real or. has ever existed as a real framework in. the United States just nonsense. Not. only that, but I think there is a. natural default in the human mind to be. attracted to a structure. And uh if that. structure is a Christian structure, you're attracted to all the Christian.

values that we've just discussed being. so positive and beneficial to you. But. if you're not and you go to a leftist. progressive structure, leftists in. particular, um like a Marxist structure, what you know what you're seeing is a. complete lack of forgiveness. They don't. have that built into the system. You. know, one of the one of the beautiful. things about Christianity is forgiveness. and the recognition that we're all. sinners and we all [ __ ] up and we're all. human and we're all flawed and that you.

could you could move on and be better. and you can atone for these sins and you. could recognize that, you know, yes, you've made a mistake, but here's the. best way to move forward and be a better. person. Society at whole recognizes that. you are me and I am you and we're all. kind of the same thing. We all [ __ ] up. and we're all we're we're all just human. beings. But there's a pathway. There's a. pathway to forgiveness. There's zero. pathway in this in in leftism. That's. that's the most horrible thing when you.

watch these pylons online over like the. most innocuous. >> discretion. What's funny with leftists. is their pathway is just everything's. permitted. >> Yeah. >> And the pathway from the Christian is. no, not everything is permitted, but. almost everything can be forgiven. >> Right. And that I would see is the big. distinction. It might there, you know, there's a a story uh that I heard. because I'm Eastern Orthodox. That's um. that's what I follow. And uh I heard a. it was a great story my priest told me.

And so basically how this went is there. was monks uh they lived in a commune and. one monk uh liked to get drunk. That was. his big vice, right? And he drank a lot. of beer. And he did this clear up until. the day that he died. And when he died, uh, everyone was crying. And a monk. said, "Well, you know, why why is. everyone crying?" You know, he held that. vice clear up till the day he died. And. the head of the of the the abbot who was. there, he said, "Yeah, but the last few.

years, he cut it in half. [laughter]. He was on the path.". >> Yeah. He was well he's just saying I'm. going to recognize all the progress that. this man who had this horrible vice uh. did right there was still prog he was. still trying to move towards the virtue. >> Yeah. >> Now maybe he never got to it. But I'm. still going to recognize that he was. trying to and maybe he he was not able. to surmount it. He was not able to get. past his demons. Maybe he wasn't able to. overtake them all. But he was at least.

attempting to. >> Right. That's the thing. >> That's the that's the thing. Well, it's. it's this idea of like someone being a. perfect person is just it's it's. nonsense. Doesn't exist. And so, if you. don't have a pathway to forgiveness and. if you don't if you don't have that. built into your society, you're always. going to have people pointing out the. people that are the bad people. And it's. going to keep moving in that direction. And it's one of the things you see in. the left in particular, they eat their. own. And it it's drives me crazy when I.

see that also from the right. I'm like, you don't you see that the people that. you criticize are doing this and now. you're doing this? You guys are turning. on each other over the most innocuous. things and and forming tribes where. you're attacking each other even though. you have mostly shared values instead of. being charitable and recognizing that, you know, these are just human beings. and they make mistakes. >> Yeah. >> But the left eats itself more than any. [ __ ] group that I've ever encountered. over almost nothing. and they love to. pile on because they're absolutely.

terrified that it's going to come for. them. They're [ __ ] terrified and so. they will go out of their way to shame. and attack and to take some of the. energy away from them. >> But do you think there's a unity in. that? Like if we were to if we were to. look at this again like from a bird's. eye view, I agree with you. The left. eats itself way more than the right. does. Though the right eats itself too, right? And we've been seeing a lot of. that post Charlie Kirk's death. I though. I think that that was mostly power. vacuum based and who gets to fill the.

power vacuum. >> That's what I think. >> I still think that it's it turned into a. dog eat dog for the power vacuum fight. and it was a criticism of values. foundationalism and all of that. >> But from the left view, if you eat. >> if you're eating your own, right, and. you eat the message apart to the point. where you get down to the foundation and. now everybody's in lock and step, is. that better for political power or. worse? Like if you constantly are just. eating the wrong, nope, that message. isn't pure enough and they gobble them.

up until you get the monster, right? Who. has the right message, they're all on. board. Is is that the better way to. achieve this kind of like political. paradigm that they want? That's my. question. >> It's very naive. It's a It's a naive. perspective that eventually you're going. to boil it down to a purity and you're. not going to. It's not going to happen. You're you're never going to get farleft. enough. >> There'll always be something else to eat. them over on. >> Yeah. Well, also you're advocating for. communism and advocating for communism. is so wild. And people there's no.

examples of it ever being done right. It's there's zero. Imagine advocating. for something that has zero success. There's zero. None. Like you can It. doesn't exist. It does. It's never. happened. It's never been. Why? Well, I'll tell you why. Because if everybody. has to share all the money, then who's. going to enforce that? Who's going to do who who's going to. tell people that you have to give up. your house? Who's going to tell people. to give up [laughter] your life? The. state. The state. >> And the state has guns.

>> Yeah. So, you're advocating for. violence. Well, you don't think you're. advocating for violence, but you are. You're advocating for hard men with with. guns to enforce your will. >> And those people are going to wind up. living in mansions and eating filet. minan and everybody else is going to be. eating oats and grl and uh that's. >> which is exactly what's always happened. when it's tried. And the thing the thing. is interesting too is there's other. there's other value set issues that are. really simple to point to like okay. nothing's worth anything like how do I. get my guitar. >> right it's nonsense.

>> like just you know all the communist. nations were always setting their market. prices based on what capitalist would. markets would set for prices. >> and it's like how do I value a guitar if. it's if if if it's supposed to just be. mine in the commune and then yours also. and his also how do we set a value. assessment here. What makes the epohone. better than the. >> um another Sorry folks, we had a crash, software crash. Another problem is this. idea of the equality of outcome that.

everybody should get an equal amount. That is crazy talk because we all know. that equality of effort does not exist. There's a reason why there's outliers. and the reason why they're so compelling. and so inspirational. It's like this. [ __ ] guy got up at five o'clock in. the morning and ran every morning before. work and hustled and and ate the right. food and and [ __ ] did the right. things and was thinking and pushing and. was open-minded and and he became. radically successful. >> But from each according to their. ability, Joe, [laughter].

>> but that No, it's it's not even. maximizing everyone's ability because. you're you're basically giving a safety. net for [ __ ] lazy people and that's. not good for them either. No, being. inspired by others success is a good. thing. It's a good thing. And the only. way that happens is if you let someone. be exceptional. And the only way you let. somebody be exceptional, you have to. incentivize them. What's the incentive? The incentive is they get more value out. of their hard work. They get more money. They get a nicer house. They get like. what are you going to do? You going to. decide that people have to like mate?

Like that women [laughter] don't find. this guy attractive, but that's not. fair. So that they have to be with this. guy and they have to find him attractive. or that you know a woman has to find. this man attractive even though he's. he's a a don'ty [ __ ] lazy loser. Like. this is the way of the world and. competition is a good thing for human. beings. It inspires us. It's good. It it. it lets you know that there's a higher. bar that can be achieved. And you often. used to know who the lazy people were. based on the living conditions they had. Yes. Isn't that interesting? Just like.

you would often know if there was an. ugly kid that their parents probably. were pretty ugly, right? Uh but it's. true, right? It is true. The the idea. here is like um people tend to bat in. dating in their league, at least men do, right? Or try to, right? [laughter]. Uh women above their league. But the. thing is is the reason you commonly see. good-looking people with good-looking. people and ugly people with ugly people. is because that's about what you can. get. >> Yeah. But it's the same thing when it. comes to ability and skill in whatever.

it is that you're doing, right? Yes. Hey, thing is is like often times if you. ask a person, my dad used to say this. all the time. He was right. If you ask a. person, are you where you're at based on. things that happened to you or because. of you? He said 98% of people will say. because of things that happened to me. And then when you ask them about what. those things are, you'll find out that. it's because of them. you'll find out. it's because of choices they've made, things that they've done. That's.

actually what's responsible for the. conditions that they're in. >> Oh, and by the way, for people that's. not the case, like trust fund kids are. the most miserable [ __ ] I have. ever met in my life. >> And they lose it all anyway. >> They a lot of them do, but so they a lot. of them are not fully formed human. beings. And the way I always describe. it, I I go, it's like if you give if you. make cement and you don't add all the. stuff in the right way, you can't fix it. later. >> Right. >> Right. So during the developmental. process, if you're [ __ ] Joffrey from.

Game of Thrones, like what are the odds. that Joffrey is going to [ __ ] figure. it out and get his [ __ ] together and be. cool when he gets old? >> You're just Dexter and that's it. >> Exactly. >> Right. You just like you have the. informed experience of the serial. killing and it's like there's just no. fixing you. >> There's no fixing it. >> Yeah. There's no fixing it. I get that. I just the thing that's interesting is. like um when I look at the the communist. paradigm versus the capital, you know, that's coming back. That paradigm is. coming back. And for a while it was kind. of shoved off as like that's boomer.

[ __ ] you know? But the Cold War is. over, Grandpa, right? Cold War is over, grandpa. There's no communist versus. capitalist versus that that's all. It's. like not it's not it's not done. >> No, not at all. >> It's not done. It's a story as old as. time and it keeps [ __ ] repeating. itself. And it's just weird that people. Well, I look, but also I believe in. social safety nets because I think that. there's a lot of people that are very. unfortunate and there's a lot of people. that do grow up with shitty parents or. parents that have a bad situation in. life. Maybe the father dies or the.

mother dies and there's no like it's. good to be charitable and churches are. fantastic at that. It's one of the the. more pure charities that you're ever. going to find because their goal is. really just to help those people. Unlike. what what you think of as charities in. the modern sense, one of the grossest. [ __ ] things today is these enormous. charities that everybody thinks, "Oh, I'm going to support this charity. It's. doing so much good.". >> 90% to the CEO. >> Yeah, dude. I was watching this thing. It was either li I think it was Live.

Aid, you know, one of those uh one of. those concert things. What was Bono? What was he involved in? Was it Live. Aid? >> I don't remember. But Bono Bono I. remember his speech where he was like, "Capitalism's done more to take people. out of poverty than anything else." I. thought that was funny. >> It is funny. >> Yeah. But uh I don't remember which one. he was involved in directly, but I know. what you're referencing. Well, Mike Benz. did this video today where he's. explaining how an enormous percentage of. that money went to regime change. Like,

it went to prop up went to prop up CIA. operations. Like, the [ __ ] money that. people donated so generously to the LA. fires. Do you ever see where all that. went? >> Where? >> It went to like a hundred different. nonprofits. Like some of it was like uh. uh pro-immigration. that uh was like we we we we talked. about it the other day. We had a whole. list of all the different things that. have been documented that that money Oh, yeah. That's all. So very little money.

is ever going to go to the actual people. that lost their house. Almost all the. money is going to go to these. nonprofits. All these nonprofits have. overhead. It goes to their employees. It. goes to the overhead costs. All these. people got bonuses. million dollar went to bonuses. >> Yeah, but that's same with the state. >> But how crazy is that? You get a bonus. for running a [ __ ] charity. That's. crazy. >> Huge bonuses. >> Huge bonuses. >> Like hundreds of thousands of dollars or. millions in bonuses. >> And that's the homeless situation. This.

is the other thing about the homeless. situation in California. Oh, we're going. to help the homeless. It's really. important to donate to the homeless. Let's help the homeless. California. spent $24 billion on the homeless. problem. It got worse. Not only did it. get worse, they can't account for the. money. And when the politicians have. unanimously voted to try to do an audit. to see where the money goes, Gavin. Newsome has vetoed it. IT'S WILD. WELL, isn't it counterintuitive? Anyway, if. you're in an area and you say, "Look,

we're going to be really good to the. homeless here. We're going to give them. a lot of money, a lot of entitlements. We're going to really help them get on. their feet." If you were homeless in a. neighboring state, where would you go? [laughter]. >> Yeah. Yeah, you move to the place with. awesome weather, they'll give you money. >> where they're going to give you money. >> And so, you know, and they do they do. just that. And so, that's why these. budgets become very bloated, right? People are like, "Wait a second. There. used to be three homeless guys over. there. Now there's a tent city. What the. hell is going on?". >> And they all get free crack. >> Yeah. Yeah. Or free needles in their. needle exchange or whatever it is.

>> Um, it gets worse and worse. The state. does the same thing. State is allocating. tons and tons of cash that it gets in. social security tax. It's not going to. social security. It's like these. entitlements and entitlement spending. >> Well, when people found out that social. security is going to illegal immigrants. an enormous amount of it, they were. like, "Wait, wait, what?" And they. denied it. They denied it and then, you. know, they had to fess up to it and. whistleblowers and. >> Well, why would you have a payo system? Why would you have a system where you're. like, "This is social safety net that.

you're paying into for your retirement. that you have to pay into. Why wouldn't. that go in a lock box? Why would you. have a Well, because uh we want access. to that money right now." and we'll. we'll pay it out later. That's what. we'll do. We'll pay it out later. >> Uh it's like what? Why wouldn't you why. wouldn't you have it? >> It's like misappropriation. >> Of course. It's it's it's w it's wild. that they're allowed to access the. social security funds that are for your. retirement. And then they're like, "Well, we're going to defund social. security. So, we'll shut the whole. government down, right?" Uh because then.

you won't get your social security. checks. We'll weaponize the entitlement. that should just be in a lock box. >> Yeah. You know it's it's well we'll pass. funding for it. Funding for the thing. they already paid. >> Well the idea also is that you are. supposed to be paying into it so that. you will get money when you retire. But. your return on investment is so bad. >> That's terrible. >> in compared to what would happen if you. spent that exact same money and put it. in like a fund a reliable fund. You. would get so much more money when you. retire. Like an enormous amount. Now,

well, now I almost feel like it's. hamstringing because if if it was the. case that they let you keep, you could. just opt out, you know, I don't want. social security, I want to keep it, and. then you took that and you put it in. those hedge funds and retirement. accounts and things like this, you would. way maximize over what you get in social. security. >> Yeah. >> You know, so but you can't opt out even. though it's for you. >> There's nothing the government does. good. Not a thing. Not a single thing. So why would they be good at that? And.

why would anybody support that? They're. just not good at it, especially when it. comes to money. There's always a bunch. of shenanigans that take place, you. know, and the idea that they would say, "Oh, Social Security is sacred. This. this we're going to really treat we're. going to maximize your the amount of. investment and really take care of. people. We we really care about people.". >> Yeah. We care about them tons. >> It's so naive. It's just It's so naive. and so obviously an ineffective and. possibly corrupt system. >> Well, hasn't it become a weapon? Entitlements are a weapon.

>> They're a political weapon. >> Wow. It certainly helps. Yeah. And and. also again the suicidal empathy that Gad. Sad talks about. If you're on the left, you think of it as being like you're an. empathetic person, a kind person. You. want people to have money when they. retire. You want people to have Medicaid. and you want people to have welfare and. you want people to have SNAP. Who was. the guy you brought up? Um I'm trying to. think of his name. It was like uh maybe. Professor Raft, something like that. They brought up the Papa New Guinea. thing. Do you remember the Papa New.

Guinea thing? >> Yes, I do. >> Yeah. So, on the that little island, right, they have the Seol people and the. Seol people basically they molest young. boys. That's what they do, right? >> Uh but apparently the young boys there, they love it because it's a right of. manhood, right? And it's all socially. conditioned in. The thing is with. suicidal empathy that's really funny. here to point out to a left is from. their paradigm there's nothing wrong. with that actually. >> where's the harm right that's part of.

the suicidal empathy of the part of the. ideology of suicidal empathy is like for. me from my worldview it's like I don't. care if you don't think there's harm in. that there is we're stopping it emperor. Andrew done that's that's done no more. that's not allowed I don't care if it's. relativistic or Not it's over, right? >> Yeah. I mean, it it's crazy to try to. defend that culture. That culture is so. wild. The the seaman warriors of Papo.

New. >> Yeah. The seaman warriors of Papa. for. people who don't know. And let's let's. instead of just talking about this, let's read this from an actual source so. we can explain because they call the the. the children when I think they're six. The boys have to live with a man that. they refer to as the anal father. And. this guy and in order for them to grow. strong, they have to consume semen both. orally and anally. And so they get mouth.

[ __ ] and [ __ ] by this guy and. then they continue that when they grow. up. >> as part of their warrior culture. >> And what stopped it? >> You know what's what ended up finally. stopping a lot of that. >> It's not going on anymore. >> It still is, but it a lot of it was. stopped depending on the tribe you were. in because of Christian missionaries. >> Interesting. >> Because of Christian missionaries. But. here's the thing that cracks me up, right? And this whole culturally. relativistic nonsense harm principles. stuff. you're Christopher Columbus and.

you show up and if culture is doing. that, >> don't you put them to the sword, >> right? >> Like if you see the pyramids and they're. cutting people's hearts out like we're. holding it up to this to to the to raw. or whatever. >> You're like, I'm supposed to feel bad. that they put you to the store. Like. it's really hard for me to feel bad. about that, right? >> You know, it's really hard for me to be. upset about that. But with the seinal. people, same thing. It's like if you. went in there and you just used strong. armed force, this is why the libertarian. NAP and stuff like that I disagree with.

cuz it's like if you went in there and. used strong armed force and just stopped. it immediately, so what? So what? How's. the world a worse place for this? How. is, you know, like and how is that not. ultimately stopping an egregious sinful. act uh that you can stop with ease, >> right? >> Like why not why not do that? Well, one. of the things uh I got really into uh. Aztecs recently and because I I did I. wasn't aware um that a lot of those.

temples that they found You would think. that the people that build those. incredible pyramids and temples. >> No, they found them, didn't they? >> Yeah. You would think they have to be an. incredibly sophisticated society. Well, it turns out they didn't really build. them. They found them. >> and they referred to them as the place. where the gods were born. I didn't know. that. I I I was always told that they. built these incredible structures and. then the Spaniards came and they found. them and no when. >> no they were primitives who found who. found something that was extremely. advanced and then used it for their. primitive application. >> Not just primitive but barbaric. Um when.

they completed the consecration of the. temple of Tanochon they killed. somewhere between 20,000 on the low end. and 80,000 on the high end. They. sacrificed 20,000 to 80,000 people. within four days. In four days. And this. was documented by God, I forget his. name. Um. something Diaz. He was a Spanish. chronicler because this is before Cortez.

came. They you know they they they. started like trying to figure out what's. going on over there. And one one of the. things that this guy came back he said. this place is [ __ ] crazy. like they. killed 80,000 people and a lot of people. have disputed that 80,000 people but. then they found so many bones that. they're like okay it's probably. somewhere north of 20,000 which is crazy. enough they sacrificed him in four. [ __ ] days. >> morality is relative.

>> right was 4,000 maybe. >> what's that. >> as many as 4,000 was as max as they got. to. >> do bonesies [clears throat]. yeah the people that if even if they did. 20,000 I think the number I think I saw. was four people or it was like four. people every minute you would have had. to do or was it was something that. almost impossible to accomplish. They. just said the number was probably. exaggerated a lot, >> right? But they said that the No, I. think if you. >> I looked I looked somebody brought up. >> but I looked it up too. I looked it up. yesterday actually. I looked it up. yesterday and they were saying that that.

this guy who was the guy that um. Okay, we can. I can I know I have it saved so I can. find it in here. Um. so this guy uh this Diaz guy. >> who's chronicling this. >> Yeah. who chronicled it in. >> how long before was this? >> Really really soon. Okay. Like within a. couple of decades before Cortez. Yeah.

Um, oh god, I'm trying to find it. But it. >> this does say maybe I I'll just the the. perplexity of things said Spanish. sources claimed 80,400 victims in 1487, >> right? >> But modern estimates suggest 4,000 to. maybe 20,000, >> right? So 20 Okay, they don't really. know. So 20 80,000 might be exaggerated. if you think about the number, but just. think about 20,000 people. Killing. 20,000 people by cutting their hearts. out and throwing them down the steps of.

the pyramid in 4 days. It's [ __ ]. crazy. So if you're the Spaniest, the Spaniards, and you come here, you. don't feel bad about conquering those. [ __ ] You're like, "What are you guys. doing?" Or how about when they showed up. and they found the Mayans and they're. playing football with human heads. >> Yeah. >> Now, here's a funny one. They don't want. to believe that they played football. with human heads. So historians try to. say that they didn't play football with. human heads. Even though there's. artistic depictions of them playing. football with human heads, like no, that.

was just symbolic. Well, did they. sacrifice humans? Yes, they did. But um. we think they played [laughter] football. with their heads. That would be rude. >> It's that that whole myth of the noble. savage. >> Exactly. And that whole myth of the. noble savage is something which is. utilized by the left in order to make. the claim that you are an imperialist. and an occupier and a person who yeah. you have colonized their land. And the. thing is is it's like.

>> if that's what we colonized why do I. care? I ask this question all the time. Why do I care if that's what I. colonized? If that's what my ancestors. colonized, why should I give a [ __ ]. about that? >> Well, there's an amazing book about. Texas called Empire of the Summer Moon. Uh, it's all about the Comanche. This. entire land used to be before Mexico. owned it. By the way, one of the funny. thing this lady said to me, you know, uh, this all used to be Mexico. I'm. like, right. But do you know how for how.

long? 15 years. Like, I've been here for. six. Like, you got to let that go. That's not that long. 15 years. And by. the way, Mexico was only. >> and we had an Alamo over it. Okay. >> Yeah. And by the way, Mexico was only. one when it owned Texas. >> Mexico started. >> with it new constitution. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Because then also you have the language. and the religion of your oppressors that. you're trying to say is this noble and. incredible culture that you're bringing. over to America. >> And you're all Catholic. >> And yeah, you're all Catholic. You all. speak Spanish. [laughter] They used to.

have well first of all the people the. Native American people and the original. people and the Aztecs the Mayans the. Mexicans it's essentially the same kind. of people a lot of them are they look. the same was like if you look at sitting. bull looks like you could be working at. a takaria. >> my wife calls them the pygmy people. >> oh they're tiny little people. they have flat noses and they like yeah. they look like pygmy people. >> well the the the original people of.

Mexico had or what the land of Mexico. had over a hundred languages. The Mayans. alone had 30 different languages. They're all lost. Like these languages. are all lost. And we're supposed to. think it's noble that this amazing. culture that have the language and the. religion of their oppressors and they. want to mo move here with this language. They're colonizing. They're trying to. colonize a place. You've been colonized. You're trying to colonize. And here's. the thing about colonizing everybody. Everybody that doesn't live in Africa,

somewhere in their ancestry, there was a. colonizer. Like if you go to Minnesota. and you see these Somali communities and. everyone's speaking Somali, they have. Somali businesses. What do you think. that is? >> It's a colony, of course. >> It's just not a big one. It just hasn't. taken over the entire country. And when. it does, you'll think it's great because. they're not white, >> right? Well, they're not colonizers. They're not col you see white. immigrants. They're immigrants. Yeah.

>> Right. White people are colonizers. >> Yeah. White white people are the. colonizers. Everyone else is the. immigrant. >> Nobody feels bad for Swedish chicks with. big tits that are moving to America. You. don't think that those are colonists. >> Yeah. Don't care. Yeah. >> Don't care. It's only It's only the. colon. It's only the colonization. Oh. man. Well, the thing is funny moving. back to the to the myth of the noble. savage thing. How weaponized that is. when so much of it isn't true. Like for. instance, you've heard of the two. spirits. Yes. >> Right. That's that's all that's all. [ __ ] too. The whole two spirit.

people all [ __ ] Came from like one. guy. I don't remember started with a B, right? Um who like Bardetche or. something like this that they called. them, right? And it was one tribe of. people who who uh had some like weird. thing that they did. That was it. >> Well, it's probably gay guys. >> Yeah. The gay guys that like dressing up. like women. >> Yeah. That's where the whole two spirit. thing came. And then suddenly it's like. no, the Native Americans had the two. spirit. It's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That is not the case at all.

You just made it up because then you. could throw it in with your Skittles. [ __ ]. >> Right. >> So [laughter]. that's the rainbow. >> Yeah. Throw it in with the Skittles. [ __ ]. >> The rainbow. Yeah. Well, the thing about. this area here before Mexico owned it, it was Comancheria. Uh, it was owned by. the Comanche. But you know how they. owned it? Cuz they killed the [ __ ]. Apache. That's That's how Yeah. Well, they were [ __ ] brutal. That's why. this Empire of the Summer Moon book is. so good because it just shows you how.

unbelievably barbaric the Comanche were. They were the baddest [ __ ]. around cuz they had figured out horse. raising. Um, and by the way, they only. got those from Yeah. from Europeans, right? >> Yeah. Which is crazy because horses. actually originated from North America. >> I thought they were in Europe and. brought here in from Europe. Horses. No, horses originated in North America and. then made their way to Asia and then. were wiped out in North America and then. reintroduced Spanish. >> But the but the natives didn't have.

access to them until Europeans brought. Okay, that's what I thought. >> Their culture was so incredibly wild if. you think about it. Like you you you. know, you're talking about where you you. think about Europe and Asia. You've got. people riding horses and building cities. and you've got like agriculture and all. these things. And in North America, you. basically have stone age people. It's. really kind of crazy. Really kind of. fascinating. And then they get horses.

And the Comanches were the first ones to. really figure out horse breeding. They. figured out how, you know, how to. castrate their horses. >> and they became Mongols. >> Yeah. They basically became Mongols. >> Yeah. They became Mongols once they had. access to horses. Well, that was what. that was the whole distinction. Anyway, if you reduce it all between the two. civilizations, Europeans had. domesticable animals, natives didn't, >> right? >> And because we had domesticable animals, we had labor, we built these these. amazing societies and they didn't. Yeah. >> Like the difference that a work ox and a.

workhorse can make in labor is. astronomical. >> Yeah. >> And so, you know, like um that's that's. the real difference. Same thing with. disease. They're like, ah, you know, the. whites brought over all their disease. It's like, well, all those came from. animals, small pox, all that got. immunity because we of animal husbandry. They didn't have any immunity to any of. that. >> Not only that, there's real evidence. that syphilis came from Native Americans. and then they brought that at least some. forms of syphilis and they brought that. syphilis back to Europe and then all the. Europeans started going crazy and.

getting holes in [snorts] their head and. losing all their hair and that's where. the big wigs came from. >> and then eating mercury pills to cure. themselves. [laughter]. >> It's crazy what people used to believe. >> Yeah. It's really kind of fascinating. But the point is even the people that. lived in America before those settlers. came, those people came from somewhere. else. They came from Siberia. You know, everyone's a colonizer. Everyone all. over the world. People, you start in. Africa million years ago or whatever it.

is, and then people start slowly moving. away from the people that were kicking. their ass looking for a better place to. live. But isn't the whole thing from the. leftist paradigm just to create um or to. delegitimize. uh the fact that you can say what do you. mean my my grandpa was born here? >> His grandpa was born here, right? He was. a colonizer. >> I'm an American and I have a right to my. nation because by birth I have a. birthight to to the land that I'm on and. so do my fellow countrymen. And they.

Nope. It's an attempt to delegitimize. that. Right. That's the whole point. just to delegitimize your claim to your. own land. >> Well, that's what we were talking about. earlier with lefts with leftists where. there's this purity test that no one can. ever pass because they'll always keep. pushing the boundaries further and. further. You're you're never going to be. there's there's no like real Americans. Everyone who's white is a colonizer. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's just it's [ __ ] goofy and. it's just designed to point at someone. that someone is the bad person and this. is the reason why life sucks. and also.

dismiss any of the terrible activities. that any of the other people participate. in because like oh they're they're just. oppressed. They're oppressed people so. they're lashing out. >> Do you think what like if you had if you. again the bird's eye view what do you. think the left what do you think their. end goal is here? >> I don't think they know. I don't think. their end goal their end goal is their. enemy is the the right and the right is. Nazis and fascists. They want to. eliminate the Nazis. In fact, they want. to roll initiative.

>> Roll initiative initiative, right? >> Yeah. They want and they. >> 2d6 damage. It's happening. >> And they think that once they get into. power, everything will be fine. But it's. not going to. And not only that, what. would be fascinating is if someone from. the left started behaving exactly like. the people that are on the right just. did it from a perspective of the left. where you would think, oh, this is okay. And that's what we got during the Obama. administration. I sent you this thing,

Jamie, a little bit ago, the clip of. Obama talking about immigration. And by. the way, Obama do I and I was mistaken. on this. I thought that a lot of the. people that Obama deported were people. that were turned away at the border. Uh-uh. That was a third. Most of the. people out of the I think it was 3. million over the course of his. presidency uh that were deported were. [ __ ] deported. Like arrested, deported. A lot of people were killed. Let's put on the headphones so we can. listen to the speech cuz this this.

sounds very MAGA. Listen to this. There. are those [clears throat] in the. immigrants rights community. who have argued passionately. that we should simply provide those who. are illegally with legal status or. at least ignore the laws on the books. and put an end to deportation until. we have better laws. And often this. argument is framed in moral terms. Why.

should we punish people who are just. trying to earn a living? I recognize the sense of compassion that. drives this argument, but I believe such an indiscriminate. approach would be both unwise and. unfair. It would suggest to those tink thinking. about coming here illegally that there. will be no repercussions for such a. decision and this could lead to a surge.

in more illegal immigration. And it would also ignore the millions of. people around the world who are waiting. in line to come here legally. Ultimately, our nation, like all. nations, has the right and obligation to. control its borders and set laws for. residency and citizenship. And no matter how decent they are, no.

matter their reasons, the 11 million who. broke these laws should be held. accountable. That sounds so Republican. In 2010, that. was a Democrat saying that and everybody. was like, "Well, okay, >> that's reasonable.". >> Yeah. And Tom Hman, >> who is the head now, was the guy then. and he gave him a [ __ ] medal. Find the clip of Hillary when she's. running in 2012 where Hillary is more.

MAGA than Trump. The way she frames. things is so hardcore right-wing she. sounds to the right of Marjorie Taylor. Green. If you've never seen this, have. you seen this one? >> I think so, but I'm going to look again. >> Wonderful. It's wonderful because it. just shows you how much horseshit. By. the way, how good was he? He was such a. good spokesperson. like the way he. talked was so it was so measured and so. noble in the way he phrased his his.

sentences like it was really it's really. interesting how much perception plays a. factor in what you think of as like. someone being a good president because. everybody on the left thinks of him as. being like the most amazing president. ever this isn't the one and he wasn't. >> it keeps coming up though what I'm. looking for. >> but this isn't the one the one is she's. giving a speech. >> so I thought I was looking for but I. didn't even type in what I was looking. for. I just typed in 2012 and that's the. thing that keeps. >> Maybe it's not 2012. It might have been. 2008. Don't don't do uh Hillary is more MAGA.

than than Trump. See if you can find it. It's I know it's on YouTube, but it's. this amazing campaign speech where you. got it. >> This is 2008. >> Is it 2008? Yeah, that's it. That's it. Here it is. Listen to this. [laughter]. I love this one. >> I think we got to have tough conditions. Tell people to come out of the shadows. If they've committed a crime, deport. them. No questions asked. They're gone.

If they. >> Cheers. Cheers from the Democrats. >> If they've been working and are. law-abiding, we should say, "Here are. the conditions for you staying. You have. to pay a stiff fine because you came. here illegally. You have to pay back. taxes. And you have to try to learn. English. And you have to wait in line. You going TO LEARN ENGLISH? EVERYBODY'S. CHEERING. >> YEAH, they love it. [laughter] They love. it. And now. >> Trump Trump's a Nazi. >> Yeah, >> Trump's a Nazi. >> That is more rightwing than Marjorie.

Taylor Green. >> Yeah. The the Democrats were I mean. there used to be labor unions that would. put pressure on them, right? Uh this was. a big thing. Like there was labor. unions. That was what the Democrats had. Yes. And the labor unions did not want. uh the cheap labor to come in and. displace them from having their nice. little highwage jobs. And so it was all. about we got to deport the illegals. Like but what did Bernie Sanders say? Mass illegal immigration. >> is a right.

>> is a right-wing Koch brothers uh. conspiracy to bring in cheap labor. And. he wasn't wrong. >> Right. >> Okay. He wasn't wrong. But the thing is. is it's like. >> what the hell are we fighting over here? Well, we're fighting over the fact that. uh the the left is just trying to uiate. itself with power and they don't really. care about what the moral paradigm is. As long as they can get their people in. power, they'll use anything as a. lynchpin issue. >> That's right. That's right. It's all. about power. The whole thing is about. power and that's what people need to. truly understand. You're being played.

You're being played. You're being played. in Minneapolis. You're being played all. around the country. It's it's about. power. It's about them getting power. And if you think that once they get. complete, if they did, they were. successful, they imported millions more. to all these swing states, they allow. them to vote, they completely rigged the. system, now it's only, you think that's. going to be good for everybody, you're. out of your [ __ ] mind. >> Well, let me ask you this. Do you think. then that Christians knowing this, they. know that these are bids for power when. you have Christian nationalism on the.

rise and Christians moving towards that? Doesn't that seem like it's a rational. and reasonable thing to do for them to. want the mindset of if we're not in. power, they will be in power. >> It's rational from their perspective for. sure. What people are terrified of is. that it would restrict the freedom of. religion and that you would impose. Christianity on the entire country, you. know, and I don't think you should. impose any kind of religion on any. people. I think people should be free. I've never seen the I know that they.

there are of course the the people who. push that there has to be an established. theocracy in order for Christian. nationalism to work, but the frameworks. that I've seen that have political. legitimacy don't seem to push for that. at all. They push instead that the ideas. that Christians should not be hamstrung. from the ideals of of holding power. itself. that that does not make you bad. or evil or awful. No matter what the. left says, Christian or how Christians. are supposed to act and that when you. are in power, you should rule with.

Christian ethics in mind. That's how. you're supposed to pass policy, public, you know, public uh public policy of all. kinds is through those ethical means. >> That certainly sounds like. >> not, hey, >> it's going to be a theocracy, right? >> Um that doesn't seem like it's a a. necessary component. >> No. Well, people are afraid of the. concept of a theocracy and I think that. people are afraid of just human nature. and that if people did get into power. that that's what it would become just. like these people are just trying to get.

into power that they would use. Christianity as as a vehicle and they. would just use that as an ability to. control people. The the the real concern. is just human nature. Human beings when. they get into any position of power like. to keep it and expand it. It's like. that's what they do. You know, I I tell. jokes. I talk [ __ ] That's what I do. I. like to talk [ __ ] I like to tell more. jokes. >> But there have been good kings, right? >> There have been. But boy, good luck. Good luck finding a benevolent dictator. to. >> Well, not anymore. I don't I don't think. you would have to use a utilize a.

dictatorship. But if it's the case that. we can point to like there were people. who had a lot of power who fundamentally. were pretty good. What was it that. they're pointing to that made them good? Like. >> is there something we can point society. towards that could make our leaders a. bit better? that can make our leadership. not hyperfocus on uh the nonsense of. like gay marriage and stuff like that. which is completely and totally. unimportant at the political level and. she didn't mean up to the federal. government anyway.

>> Yeah. And I think it's a political tool. too. you know, uh, Anna Paulina Luna was. on the podcast and she said something. that I really didn't consider about. certain political problems that exist in. this country that they don't want to. solve them. >> because they want to use them to finance. their campaigns. They want to run on. those principles. They want to run. >> to always be there. >> It needs to always be there. >> It needs to always be there as an issue. And it's like uh. >> I feel I I think a lot of these can be. solved like if we if we were to have.

>> politicians in mass and their supporters. in mass who followed Christian ethics. I. do think a lot of those sub issues get. solved very quickly. >> if it's true Christianity if they really. do follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. But I think what people are really. worried about is like when people think. about Christians, they think about the. worstc case scenario of Christianity, which is like evangelicals on television. that just try to get private jets. >> But how is electing atheists better or. electing socialists better or electing. any of these people better? It can't be. better. Right. >> Right. It's not better like if someone's.

a complete sociopath, it doesn't have. any moral framework like a Gavin Newsome. type guy. Like that's that's even more. terrifying. >> Yeah. So, it's like if if I'm going to. be ruled, can I at least be ruled by. people who have my ethics or. >> really [laughter] who really believe and. that they're trying to make the world a. better place and they're not just trying. to acquire wealth and and help their. donors acquire more wealth. It's spooky. It's spooky because people that have. power, you know, it scares the [ __ ] out. of everybody else. And it should because.

historically it's never been good. It's. almost always when people have power, they want more power and they want to. also support the people that help them. acquire that power. And then they want. to make sure they got that power locked. down. So what's the best way to do that? Well, you restrict people's ability to. express themselves. You restrict. people's ability to travel. You take. away as much money as possible, tax them. as highly as possible so they're always. in this like state of constantly. struggling to pay their bills. You keep. them completely no one's comfortable. ever. and then, you know, have this.

problem that we have to solve. This is. why you have a problem. It's uh these. people. >> Yeah. And we're the we're the solution. The causers. >> Yeah. >> The causers are the solution. >> Do you you know, one of the things that. I I mean, you you engage in so many. [ __ ] debates, man. I've I've watched. I've consumed a lot of your content. online and I always wonder like what. does that wear on you after a while? >> Constantly. Oh, yeah. All the time. All. the time. Well, the thing is is that. [sighs] so I [snorts] I argue from a.

worldview. My worldview is Christian. ethics and this is a foundation from. which all other arguments are starting. and ending. Now, I'm happy to meet. people in the middle. A lot of people. want to argue in the middle, right? We're going to get past all the. foundational stuff and we're going to go. to the menu or the middle of the. argument and start there. And I'm kind. of happy to do that to kind of move the. move everything backwards or forward so. we can either get to the end or we can. get to the beginning and get this. figured out. Yes. What wears on me the. most about it is there's a lot of people.

who I debate with who I know don't. believe what they're saying. >> I know I know for sure and I there's. moments where I catch myself where I. recognize it right then that moment in. the debate and then I'll hammer them. But it happens all the time where I'm. like, "You don't believe that [ __ ]. There's no way." And then they'll come. back with a, you know, with a re I do. and and and you could just tell it's. disingenuous. Yeah. Right. I can't. logically show it. I There's no way for. me to logically show necessarily your no.

your motivation maybe in extreme. context, but. >> yeah, man. There's people who are pretty. disingenuous about their view and. there's times where it comes out and the. whole audience can see it and you can. see it and you're just like just why? Just why are you like you don't even. believe the [ __ ] yourself and you're. you're propagating it on other people. and you know people will follow it. You. know there's some cash there. You know. there's a but you're doing it anyway. You're doing it anyway. Like I've always. thought in my head you take a guy like. Destiny, right? The coomer gremlin as I.

like to call him. Okay. >> What do you call him? Cummer gremlin. >> What's that mean? >> Well, like cumor, like he just all he. does is he he bakes. He's like a sexual. degenerate, right? >> Is that what a cummer is? >> Yeah. Well, akumor it's a it's a little. more mild than that. Akumor is just like. um kind of one of the higher values is. just kind of having sex with everyone. right around like that's what you do, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. He did. Yeah. Well, he's all. kinds of sexual apparently. But the. thing is is like um [snorts] I've often. thought that there's times where I'm.

talking to the guy where I'm like I you. don't believe that. Like you just. there's no [ __ ] way you believe that. [ __ ] You're making it up and I know. you're making it up. Right. And you'll. catch him at times. You'll be like. whatever I got to say to win the. argument. >> Yeah. >> And it's like yeah I believe that. >> Yeah. >> I believe that. But it's like there are. people who genuinely believe their view. and are excellent debaters. uh backing their view and I love those. engagements. You know, I live for those. engagements. The problem is it's like.

it's 5% of them, >> right? A lot of people are just trying. to win, right? >> Well, not just trying to win, but I. don't even have a problem with going. into a debate with a mindset of winning. it. If you're representing a view you. believe, >> right? >> You want to win the engagement, whether. it's a conversation or it's a debate, you want to you want to win people over. to your side. You want to even win the. person you're talking to over to your. side. you know, or maybe sometimes you. got to be brutal and destroy the view. completely so people don't move towards. it. Both of those are completely I I.

consider them both fine and I think. they're both effective, but the issue. that I have ultimately is when you're. arguing with somebody and you know they. don't believe what they're saying. >> Yeah. >> And yeah, that that wears on you. And uh. it's not just that, but sometimes you. hear the same recycled arguments over. and over and over and I'm like, you. don't even have to tell me anymore. I. can get to the end before you can. [laughter] I can tell you exactly where. you're gonna go, what you're gonna say, why you're gonna say it, what your. justification's going to be, and I can.

just get to the end and take care of. this right now. >> It's got to be weird. Like, how old are. you? >> Uh, 42. Just turned 42. >> Weird like in your late 30s, early 40s. to like have entered into this world. >> Oh, yeah. Dude, >> so bizarre. It is. It is beyond bizarre. I mean to be like a normal. >> workingass guy doing. >> literal nobody from nowhere, no. political experience, >> nothing. I had no no entryway, nobody in. entertainment, nobody to help me along, nothing.

>> And so was it just seeing how ridiculous. people were being during the COVID. pandemic that like motivated you to be. vocal about all this stuff? >> It Well, and I had time. >> Yeah. You know, time's a big one. But. with the with the layoff, it's like, oh, well, I don't really have a lot to do. And I'm listening to this and it's like. now I can maybe I can engage a little. Maybe I can get involved a little bit. You know, not much. I didn't think I. didn't think anything would ever come of. it. You know what I mean? I just wanted.

I saw my view wasn't being represented. very well. >> But did you have a a history of. education? Like were you were you just. reading books? Like where did you. develop these ideas? >> Yeah. Well, it wasn't just from books, right? I would listen to long- form uh, you know, historic podcast. Um, I would. [clears throat] more than anything I. would be listening to, you know, the the. mediums changed, but I would listen to. what people had to say on a a variety of. issues and I would watch the news.

incessantly and I would be able to pick. out what's true and what's not true. after a while. Uh, political education. comes from a variety of sources. You. can't get it from the news and you can't. get it from listening to just podcasts. and you can't listen get it by just. talking to people. You have to take a. sum total of everything. All of it in. order to at least be even moderately. politically savvy and understand what's. going on in the world. And I realize. most people make commentary on things. they have no [ __ ] idea what they're. talking about. >> Right. And so how did you transition to. doing this as a job?

>> Um well it's about two years in to uh. doing this. So, I was like, "Look, I sat. sat down with my wife and I said, I'm not making enough money on my. podcast to quit my job. There's no way.". You know, or doing debates to quit my. job. There's no way. But I think I. could. I actually think I could if I. just focused my time on it now. I think. I could do it. Replace my income with. ease. >> God, that's a big risk, right? >> It was a huge risk. >> because you have a family. >> Yeah, huge risk. And she said, "Okay.".

>> Wow. gave me a kiss and uh next day I. went in and quit and I was like I don't. know what the [ __ ] I just did. [laughter]. I you know it's um in some ways it was. like it it's like a I'm going to go be a. big football star to you screw you to. your boss, you know what I mean? And. it's like it wasn't the same exactly but. it was a big risk but I just thought you. know I really can make a go of this. If. I can focus my time and energy on this I.

think I'll do really well at it. Well, I. think you have a very unique mind for it. and uh I think you're very good at it. and I also think you have really good. points that are very valuable for people. to hear and you're really good at. pointing out the logical fallacies and. pointing out the ridiculous thought. processes that a lot of these people. have. And I I you know that's important. man. It's it's important for society. I. probably don't think of it that way. probably just enjoy doing it and feel.

like it's but it's valuable. >> because there's not a lot of people that. are good at it. >> I get hundreds of DMs weekly from people. and they'll say thing and th this again. I'll never get used to it but what I do. this is my process. I sit down every. morning uh I have a cup of coffee and I. just respond to every DM that's sent to. me. >> Wow. >> So um. >> I used to do that. >> for me. Yeah. You probably get too many, right? Yeah, it's unto. >> I get I thought so too. I thought, well,

if I start getting hundreds every day, there's just no way. But I still do it. every morning. >> How much time does it take you? It. >> takes me hours about two hours. >> Wow. >> Two hours every morning. I'll sit down. and I'll go through them and I can't. send back long paragraphs, but usually. I'll read exactly what they say and even. I'll just say something like, "Thanks. for the support." Or, "You know, I. really appreciate you saying that. Uh, that means a lot." You know, cuz it. does. >> Yeah. To me, it's my privilege to have. fans. It's not uh their privilege to be.

one. >> And so, when I started to see that and I. started to see, wait, this actually does. have a massive effect on people. I also. began taking it very much more seriously. because I understood uh you I can also. say things that do the opposite. They. could move people towards the opposite. of things which are which are good. You. know what I mean? or things which are uh. things which you should be moving. towards and so you know I do take it. seriously and I understand my job is to. represent a worldview and when I go into.

a debate that's exactly what I think. millions of people are going to see this. worldview on display I'm representing it. I need to do the best I can to represent. it well. >> to be an intelligent reasonable person. who's both well read and has very good. points that you can express about social. issues societal issues just. it has. it's a massive thing. It's it's a very. important thing that um you know.

mainstream media is not doing a good job. of filling that role. It just doesn't. you know there's not a lot of people out. there I mean Christopher Hitchens is. dead. There's not a lot of people out. there that are really good at debating. against ridiculous people and exposing. this and and it's it's so important for. people to sit down and see something. like that and to to recognize like, oh, I've heard people like that talk. Oh, I've always wondered like that doesn't. make any sense. Why doesn't someone tell.

that guy to shut the [ __ ] up? Why. doesn't someone got And you do that. >> And that's my job. >> That's your job. >> My job is to go in specifically and say, why don't you shut the [ __ ] up? Because. what you're saying what you're saying is. so detrimental to people, too. >> Yeah. >> And it it's nightmare fuel for him. Like. I mean, people hear this stuff, man. Like I I remember this one guy, he DM'd. me and he was like, Andrew, I hate these. [ __ ] people. Like I hate them. He. said, "I'll listen to him, man." And I. just [ __ ] rage in my truck. I'm like, "I [ __ ] hate these bastards." He's.

like, "But I can't stop listening." He's. like, and it his mindset was, "I want to. know what the enemy is thinking." Right. That's his mindset. Yeah. >> And I think a lot of it is maybe that. particular guy's addicted to rage or. whatever, [snorts] whatever you want to. frame it. I don't think so. I think the. truth is is that when people are trying. to get to the bottom of things, they're. trying to be like, "Why is this. happening? Why is this going on? Why do. these people think the way they do?" And. then they start listening to them. Sometimes it's way worse than you. thought. It's like, "You really believe. that [ __ ] You really think that that's.

the case? You really think that we. should be doing anything like this? What. is wrong with you?". >> Yeah. And I I think that for a lot of. people that could be a a very kind of. like jarring experience for them. And I. I think that that's healthy though. I. think that's healthy for you to be kind. of jarred out of complacency a little. bit. >> Well, it's certainly healthy for other. people to watch it cuz certain people. lean in one direction or the other and. they're not really exactly sure how they. feel about things. And sometimes someone. who has bad ideas can be very compelling.

with these bad ideas because they're not. being confronted by someone who's better. at it, >> you know, and I think that's a very. important. >> or even as good. >> Yeah. >> You know, even even some if you just. draw a stalemate, >> it's like sometimes even that's good. enough. >> Um because it's like, you know, maybe I. was leaning towards this or I was. leaning towards that, but I'm not sure. Again, sometimes that's the be the best. thing, right? May maybe you shouldn't be. too sure on this side or that side,

right? >> Um, but you know, before you commit, at. least maybe I can stop you from making a. committal to this. Tons of people are. like, "Man, I was on the fence about. Christianity. I was on the fence about. Orthodox. I was on the fence about this. I was on the fence about that. This. debate did it for me. Listening to what. these people had to say. This debate did. it for me. This debate did it for me.". you know, different fans have different. highlights that they like because. they're all coming from different walks. of life, but they're all very similar in. one aspect. Most of my audience are.

married men, uh, you know, or. marriageable age, but, you know, late. 20s, uh, through 30s, early 40s. That's. that's about the demographic, but mostly. like 32 to 45. And so these people, they. have some life experience. They're not. dummies. And they're listening to and. they're like, "It's about time someone. told that." Yeah, >> you know, somebody let them know what. was going on. Somebody challenged those. ideas. Somebody buried them. And um. yeah, that's that's what I'm effective. at doing. And that's what I'm going to.

keep doing because these people are and. the higher here's what I've learned. The. higher I go in confrontation with the. higher level people, the dumber they. get. >> Really, >> the dumber they get. Back in the old. Twitch Blood Sport days when it was 50. live viewers and me against two leftists. and we were slugging it out, they were. smarter. They were these were much. smarter people than the highlevel. academic like it took on these two. academics recently at Debatecon. Both of. them are Ivy League graduates, right? It.

was nothing. I could have I could have. easily destroyed them while enjoying a. hot bowl of soup. It would not have like. it was just it was it was. inconsequential. Why do you think that. is? >> I Well, I think it's because of there's. a degree of asskissing and there's a. degree of people around you affirming. over and over and over how [ __ ] great. you are. That's where that egotism comes. in where I was saying earlier in the. podcast, you have to be make sure you're. grounded. Make sure that your ego never.

takes over. Make sure that you don't. become the thing that you hate. Right. >> And it's so easy to do. But it's also I. think I think that as they go things. become more cerebral and academic rather. than applicable and those kind of old. debates that I was doing was people. living in it not external from it. >> and so they you know it did they had. real emotion behind it this wasn't just. a thing on a chalkboard.

>> right. >> you know so uh and the other thing is I. think a lot of people get where they are. in media through connection. and not because of merit. I think a lot. of people who are in media and political. pundits have no [ __ ] business being. there at all. They're dumb as a box of. rocks and they're there because they had. connections or they had friends who. assisted them in getting in the position. they are. Uh and when they are actually. confronted on their views, they fall. apart. >> They totally fall apart. I've seen. comedians comics who were on the road. for years do better in academic debates.

than academics. >> Yeah. >> And I Well, how is this possible? Well, it's possible because that guy has real. world experience. He's probably just as. well read as you had a lot of downtime, right? So, he educated himself, but he. can do the thing you can't. He can apply. it. That guy had he has a way to apply. this knowledge in a in a framework that. works because he's part of the apparatus. of the world. And there was nobody there. where he was like he tugged on their. their shirt sleeve and said hey daddy or.

hey you know Uncle Bucks or whoever you. know I want to be on Fox News and now. they have an in you know and I think a. lot of that in media happens. I think. it's very very a lot of nepotism there. and a lot of people just really got no. business being there at all. >> Don Lemon. >> Don Lemon not just Don Lemon. I mean no. there's so many of them. I just like to. pick on him cuz he's picked on me. >> Yeah. >> Well, I don't know what Don Lemon's. doing picking on anybody. Like you would. you would same thing. You would destroy.

Lemon while enjoying a hot bowl of soup. It would just be nothing because Lemon's. biggest problem is he had never had any. business. He was he was a token. Literally a token. He was the token gay. black guy. >> He was not valued for his great insights. and wonderful political takes and the. fantastic way in which he broke down the. issues of our time. He was valued. because he was a gay dude who was black. who was like liberal talking points. >> Yeah, >> that's it. >> Yeah, I agree. Hey, listen, man. I. enjoyed this. Let's do it again.

sometime. Absolutely. And tell everybody. your show, The Crucible, where they. could find it. >> Yeah, my show is The Crucible on. YouTube. Uh you can also make sure you. go and grab a copy of my wife's book, Oult Feminism. It's fantastic. I brought. you a copy, Joe. >> Cool. >> And then uh I know you I know you love. feminists. That's why I brought that's. why I brought that copy. And then um you. can also catch me uh debate university. It's a the thing that I've done for. years. It uh it'll teach you how to. debate. You can go check that out as. well. debateuniversity.com. I really.

appreciate the time. >> Hey, I appreciate you being here, man. I. think what you're doing is great. I. really do. I enjoy it. >> Thanks. >> All right. Bye, everybody. [music].