Joe Rogan Experience #2441 - Paul Rosolie

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. ALL DAY. HELLO, JUNGLE MAN. [music] What's. happening? Good to see you, my brother. What's going on? You got books, you got. notes. >> I got books, I got the. >> with us. I got this for you. Ooh. Yeah, a little little note there you can read. later. Trying to keep him, buddy. >> Yeah, the brand new, that's what. back from the Amazon with that. >> Nice. Marsha, say hi to everybody. Come. on. I love that you bring Marsha. Have you.

Has Marsha come on other podcasts or is. it just. >> on a couple. >> You're a good boy. You're a good boy. We should. >> I just have to keep him from. going under the wire. You're a good. little buddy. Yeah. I got to keep him. from uh. getting under the wire. Come on. Come on. now. Say hi to him. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the best. >> He is the best. He's a big sweetie. >> He's soft, man. He's got He's got an. amazing coat. >> Big sweetie. Well, he gets groomed. Oh, thank you. Thank you. Give him a kiss. Okay.

Lie down, please. >> Lie down, please. So, Oh my god. >> you re- you released that video. I saw. the video of the uncontacted tribe. >> Yeah, hitting send on that was scary cuz. Yeah. Wild. >> I sent you I sent you a message that day. when that when that [laughter] happened. Yeah, you did. That is crazy. I've. showed it to a few people, but we never. showed it live, but it is So, Marsha, you got to lie down, buddy. You can't be climbing under the wires. Lie down, bubba. Sit, sit, sit. Come. here. Good boy. Good boy. Good boy. Um.

that experience has to be so insane to. to contact like legitimately uncontacted. people. There they are. Yeah. Yeah, and so. >> do not look at their dongs. Do not. Well, I mean, you know, but also maybe. take a style tip from them and tie them. up. Weird how they got their waist. wrapped up, but they don't have their. dongs wrapped up or their butt hole. Well, the it seems like they're they're. trying to protect or they're trying to. keep lots of rope. I think rope is like. their main thing. That's how they carry.

all their rope. Interesting. And and and. >> the rope around their waist. >> They carry the rope around their waist. and they just want rope. They want rope. and bananas. Is Do bananas grow in the Amazon? So, bananas don't grow unless people plant. them. So, there's certain human. settlements where, you know, you can. find old bananas growing, but these you. know, plantains really is what this is. Mhm. And they were requesting them. What. you see happening here is. >> them. Yes, they come out and I mean, these are people coming out a thousand. years late to society and they're out on.

the beach holding up their hands saying, "No mole." We are the brothers. No mole. means brothers. Oh. Now we actually. think that they call themselves the. brothers. Whoa. And their first thing was we want. want bananas. And so, the local anthropologist that we. were with, we were just there to to work. with the communities that we work with. And these these guys came out across the. beach and you see them there holding it. you know, they're holding their bows and. those bows are six-foot bows, seven-foot. arrows. And we were said you know, the. anthropologist was saying, "Put down.

your weapons. Put down your bows before. you talk to us. This is does not need to. be violent." Because their first. instinct is to defend themselves. Mhm. And so, there's maybe 20, 30 of us and. the local guys had a couple of shotguns. just in case for protection because we. were not initiating contact. That's the. thing I've been explaining to everybody. We were just there working in the. community. They came out to us. So, they. knew you were there and they came out to. you and how Does someone speak their. language? There's one guy in the. community that kind of speaks a little.

bit. They speak In the community, they. speak Yine. The Mashco Piro speak a. derivation of that. And so, he's They're. speaking in broken in broken terms. across across the river. So, they were. sort of shirts versus skins. We were on. this side of the river, they were on. that side of the river. And then I I mean, the the the courage. of this guy to get in the river and go, you know, 10 feet from them and push the. the canoe. There was no contact, no. physical contact made. But he gave them. these these these plantains and then.

they You notice when they take them, it's not like, "Oh yeah, let's take the. plantains. We'll go back in the jungle. and divvy them up." It's like, "What I. get, I get." They're fighting over them. and they were all screaming and fighting. over them. So, there's desperation. there. Yeah, like I mean, I guess food is. [ __ ] hard to come by, right? I mean, the jungle is filled with life, but it's. still it's got to be difficult to source. and you got to do it every single day. Every single day. So, to feed. >> there's no preservation. No, so. everything is instantaneous. You shoot a.

monkey, you got to cook it and eat it. You know, you get a turtle, you got to. you got to eat it. You got to open it. and eat it. And so, there's you can I. mean, you can see there there there. there's there's more there's that that. questioning look on their face. They. don't understand who really who we are. and and the really the only. communications that we got was, "We need. We need more food. and stop cutting down our trees." Mhm. >> They wanted They said, "Who are the bad. ones?" They said, "Of you, who are the. bad ones? Why are you cutting down our. our our biggest trees?" Well, not just.

cutting down the trees, but also killing. the indigenous people that protested, that get in the way of it. If their. tribe is centrally located in an area. where they're chopping down the trees, they kill those people. Yeah. Yeah, and so right now what we have is. we have the loggers and the gold miners. coming in. And so, since like the last. time I saw you, it was it was we were we. were nailing all these successes, adding. acres to the reserve cuz what we're. doing is trying to create this corridor, which is going to become a national. park. We're trying to save this one. river in the headwaters of the Amazon. And we had been on this success run, you.

know, from from people hearing the. stories. from things like this, people coming in and helping us do that. And then it started to change where we. realized, "Okay, we're protecting so. much land that the logging mafias and. the narco-traffickers started pushing. back.". And so, now it's getting more serious. As we're getting closer to the finish. line, it's getting harder because. they're going, "We want this to remain. wild." And we're going, "We're trying to. protect this." And the local communities.

are going, "This is our forest." And the. loggers and the narcos and the miners. are coming from other places and they're. cutting down this forest. And so, it's just you know, I mean, everyone knows the Amazon is the lungs. of the Earth. Everyone knows it's got a. it produces a fifth of our oxygen on our. planet. It contains a fifth of the. oxygen of the fresh water on our planet. So, it's vital to global planetary. stability. But we've already destroyed 20% of it. And so, we're seeing the moisture cycle. get broken. >> 20%? >> 20% of the whole Amazon rainforest.

>> That's insane. It's so big. >> 2.7 million square miles and I think the. lower 48 is 3.something. million square miles. Wow. >> It's gigantic. Wow. And they've already killed off 20% of. it. >> 20% of it's already gone. >> Is it mostly cattle running? Like what. is. What are they What are they doing it. for? Cattle ranching accounts for 60% of. Amazon deforestation. And then it's just. development, roads. China has a new.

shipping port in Peru that they want to, you know, create a I think an a railroad. over the Andes mountains or through the. Andes mountains so they can start. getting access to the Amazon for Asian. markets. >> Is it true they carved out a giant. pathway through the Amazon for a climate. change conference? You know, I've been. trying to figure out if that's true. I. saw that go all over the internet. >> one of those things that's like who. knows if that's real. That and then the. other one is they're like a you know, Swedish billionaire bought this much of. the Amazon and it's like, "But what's.

his name?" What what? >> saying that and I'm like, "I don't. >> Well, let's put it into perplexity and. find out if that's true. Which one? The whether or not they. carved out a pathway through the Amazon. for a climate change summit. Cuz that. sounds like horse [ __ ]. >> That just sounds too too ridiculous. >> no way they would do something that. stupid. I don't know, but I did see. people. >> would they have a climate change summit. in the Amazon? You're going to do it in. a tent? No, I think they did it in. Manaus. I mean, there are cities in the. Amazon. There's Iquitos, there's Manaus. So, >> you can fly into those cities. You don't.

need to carve out a [ __ ] pathway. But. I I remember seeing a video of this guy. and he was saying like, "This is where. the jungle used to be and now it's just. this big road." And I was like, "But. again, who in charge of the climate?". Unless they were going to have a climate. conference and just local administrators. and politicians said, "Well, we better. get ready and clear this area." And like. maybe it wasn't intentional, I don't. know. This stuff is Marshall. >> pictures of it. Whoa, it's on the BBC. Amazon forest. felled to build road for climate summit. >> There you go. >> god, it's real.

>> [laughter]. >> Oh my god, a new four-lane highway. cutting through tens of thousands of. acres of protected Amazon rainforest is. being built for the COP30. climate summit in the Brazilian city of. Belém. Oh my god. >> wasn't Manaus. That is so crazy. It aims. to ease traffic to the city, which will help climate. It's easier to. drive when there's no trees. >> than 50,000 people, including world. leaders at the conference in November.

The state government touts the highway. This highway sustainable. Pretty I love how they use that term. Sustainable is one of those wonderful. terms you can just throw on things. Sustainable. Uh credentials, but lacks local and. conservation But some local and locals. and conservationists are outraged at the. environmental impact. Yeah, duh. That's crazy. You're You're chopping. down trees to protest chopping down. trees. What's [ __ ] insane. >> Sounds amazing. I just, you know,

>> [snorts]. >> At what point in time [clears throat]. people going to wake up? At one point in. time people are going to wake up and I. think that that's, you know, that sort. of as I've been. I've just started this book tour and. everything else and it's the thing I'm. trying to impress I was just talking. about this the other night is like. we've had world wars, we've had great. famines, we had the the dust bowls. Like. there's never been a time in history. though before where we're looking at is. there going to be ecological collapse? The thing that I'm talking about with. where they've cut 20% of the Amazon,

scientists are warning that if we cut. too much of the Amazon, that moisture. cycle, I think the the thing was that 20. trillion liters of water every day are. pumped into the air from the Amazon and. that becomes the cloud system that rains. back down and creates the Amazon. rainforest. If you cut too much of that, you break the cycle. And that forest has. been growing for. something like 55 million years. I. believe it formed in the Eocene. And so, we are the generation that's. going to decide, do we find a. sustainable way to keep the animal the.

Amazon rainforest functioning or are we. going to break that cycle? And once we. lose it, it's not going to come back. It's so crazy. It's so crazy that people are so. short-sighted. They're like, we want to. have cattle ranches. It's It is It is. disorganization and apathy. It's like we. we we have the ability to organize and. create I mean, if you can organize an. airport, you can you can figure out a. way to protect a forest, but the fact. that it's in numerous Latin American. countries, Brazil wants to develop, in. Peru you have the legal gold miners.

coming in and now you have the pressure. from the Asian markets. And, you know, we found that if you just I mean, that's. what we've been doing over the last 20. years is going to these gold miners and. loggers and going, "How much do you. make?" And they go, "$20 a day." You go, "Do you want to make 60? And you get a. cool shirt, and you get health benefits, and you get to ride a boat, and you get. a team." And they're like, "Yeah, that. sounds so much better.". And they're happy to come over, but they. need. >> We've talked about you doing that and I. think that is really amazing. It's just. crazy that it takes a person like you.

and your organization. to like. put some sort of a dent in this. This. isn't some sort of a a gigantic global. effort. That there's not a lot of people. that are recognizing this issue and. saying, "Hey, this is a huge problem if. this goes away.". I think though that there I I see in the. world that I exist in, I see that all. over the world there's people doing. conservation projects and that we are at. this point where. there's enough happening where I mean, you had uh E.O. Wilson advocating for.

the Half Earth policy where it's, you. know, at least half of the earth has to. remain ecosystems. If you break too much. down, if you ruin our ocean fisheries, if you cut the rainforests and the. forests, you're going to ruin the. weather. The stuff that comes standard. with life on earth is going to be. depleted. Right. And so, I think, you. know, you see tiger numbers going up in. India. You see that there's actually. been a an increase in forest cover. globally, but in some of the most. important areas, like the Amazon, it's. just wild. And I mean, that's what we're.

doing is, you know, the guy JJ that I work with. who's local, he's been trying to He's. been saying this for years. I mean, since we saw each other, he got, which I. don't know how this happened. I don't. know how some of this stuff happens, but. we got a we got an email one day from. Time. And they were like, "We're. selecting our, you know, uh 100 climate leaders of 2024.". And they're like, "JJ's one of them.". And I have no idea how the people at. Time select this, but they chose this I mean, JJ grew up.

in an indigenous community barefoot. He. didn't have shoes until he was 13. And it was because he saw his forest get. destroyed and because he saw the fish. vanish from the rivers as nets came in. and then as chainsaws came to the. region, he saw the trees go down and he. went, "We got to protect the next. river.". Mhm. And so, he's the one that, you. know, when I went down there at 18 years. old, he's the one that was like, "Look, you got to help me protect this.". And of course, at 18 years old, I was. like, "How? How do I do that? How How on earth is.

that possible?" And then when we started. seeing the smoke on the horizon and we. started hearing the chainsaws and it got. more urgent, I started telling these. stories and then the Anaconda stories. and the everything else, the first book. that I wrote. And little by little, Jane. Goodall, um. people helped along the way. Joe Rogan helped along the way. Well, I'm happy to get the word out cuz I I I. mean, it's. it's kind of insane that it's happening. But it's also that place is such a. magical place and it has such an insane.

history that we're we're just starting. to understand the history of the people. that live there. I mean, through the use. of lidar, they're just starting to. understand that the entire place was. massively populated and that a lot of. the plants that exist in the Amazon are. actually agriculture plants that went, you know, went rogue when the people. were depopulated because people brought. in smallpox. I I got to push back on that. That's. That's I feel like that's a theory.

that's been becoming prevalent as a. theory. Mhm. Well, sure there was a. jungle before because even in the Lost. City of Z, I mean, even the the talk. What is it? Percy Fawcett? >> I think that's his name. Yeah. All the. people that went there, they talked. about the Amazon being a lush. rainforest. >> Yeah. But and these enormous cities. where that were incredibly complex Yeah. before the jungle swallowed them up. So, it's it's clear that there was some form. of jungle there already. >> 100%. But that these plants that they.

grew for agriculture were the ones that. had uh. you know, once people stopped. tending them and taking care of them, they overwhelmed the rest of the forest. Yeah, I I friends sent me a clip and you. I think you're talking to Tom Segura and. you went, you know, and the crazy thing. about the Amazon and and you went it's. it's largely man-made and I was like and. I like threw something and I was like, "No, it's not.". >> out why we said that. Let's uh pull that. up. Um put run that into Perplexity and. see what articles we get. Because what.

they're saying is that these plants that. the number if I believe if I'm not. misstating, the numbers that they exist. in are are not natural. But that's only. around these ancient sites. And so, I. went and did a deep dive into this and. the sites that they've studied are along. the watersheds. And so, in the Amazon. you have terra firma, which is sort of. dry forest, and then it dips into the. river basin. You have flood plain. Most. of these cities existed on flood plains. And so, where the scientists are able to. go is up the rivers and they go to the.

edges of these flood plains where they. find ancient human settlements and. that's where you find terra preta soil, which is human engineered. >> Mhm. And that's where you find they'll. be like a higher incidence of certain. trees or certain plants. >> are these trees? And so, like bananas, for example, or sometimes they'll plant. a higher amount of Brazil nut trees. >> it is. Our sponsor, Perplexity, which is. always accurate. Estimates suggest that. roughly 10 to 15% of the Amazon standing. forest shows clear signs of being. man-made or strongly shaped by long-term.

indigenous management, not planted as. uniform tree farms, but modified over. thousands of years. Much of the Amazon. that looks wild has been influenced by. pre-Colombian indigenous agroforestry, soil enrichment, Amazon dark earth, that's terra preta, >> Yeah. and species selection rather than. being a purely untouched wilderness. These systems differ from modern. plantations. They are diverse. semi-natural forest enriched with useful. trees and crops rather than rows of.

single commercial species. So, the the idea of the terra preta was. that a lot of the Amazon soil is not. good for agriculture. Is that correct? >> It's barren. There's only one UFC 324. this Saturday and on DraftKings. Sportsbook, the number one sports book. for live betting. Once it's over, your. shot to get in on the action is gone. DraftKings Sportsbook is built for live. betting, not just pre-fight picks. because in the UFC, one moment can flip. the entire fight. One punch, one kick,

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in some sort of proto-Congo. system. And then when they they. separated, the Amazon South America hit. up against the Nazca plate, the Andes. Mountains shot up, and then the. salinated water drained out and that's. why we still have uh inland freshwater. stingrays, manatees, pink river. dolphins. >> Oh, that makes sense. >> And so, that happened over millions of. years as the the salinated water. >> saltwater dolphins adapted to. freshwater. >> Exactly. >> And is that why they became. [clears throat] pink? They became pink, I think, because they've lost their.

pigmentation. They've terrible eyesight. Um they almost don't need to see because. you don't in the in that sediment-rich. water, they're using they're using sonar. Yeah. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Wow. So, they've become almost blind? Uh. all the fish. You pull out these giant. catfish, they hardly have eyes. They. have like light-sensing organs. Wow. >> Cuz you can't see I mean, there's there. are clear rivers in the Amazon, which I. would love to go I've never been to one. And like the streams are clear, but the.

Amazon River itself is nothing. Everyone's like, "Oh, you should bring a. GoPro in the river with you." And I'm. like, "For what? You're not going to see. anything." It's just sediment. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But the thing that that that the. that this this theory about the the. Amazon is even human engineered is wrong. because when you look at the size of the. Amazon, you look at that 2.7 million. miles, it's it's that they've said that what. they're not getting is that in the areas. that these people have been studying. with lidar and through this. anthropological digging.

they're saying it's more than we. thought. There's certainly more human. settlements than we previously thought. There maybe were a few million people. there before Pizarro and and and the. explorers came. But when you don't what you don't. realize is that between the rivers, between each river, which is the. majority of the Amazon is this terra. firma giant jungle with hundreds of. miles between the rivers. nobody's been there. And so I just was. reading a scientific paper. It was. saying they went out and sampled those. areas and it showed absolutely no sign.

of human engineering. And so most of the. forest. >> of the growth of the plants, but then. they do lidar to see if there was. previous structures? >> Well, the good thing with the lidar is. that they fly over and so the lidar. confirmed that over those human areas. like you get like a river confluence or. two rivers are coming together, there'll. be a human settlement there. And in. those areas they find that the terra. preta, they'll find that the plants. occur in different abundance and. diversity than in the other places. but that the this this message that the. Amazon itself was engineered by ancient.

humans or prehistoric humans. is not actually accurate. It was a wild. jungle. >> Did they make those articles. >> it. because people build their careers on, you know, if you come out and say I have. a new theory about how this formed, it. gets attention. There's even a and. nothing against um what's his name? Graham Hancock. Mhm. Um for a while. everyone was like, "Oh, Paul Rosolie. needs to debate Graham." No, I don't I. don't got nothing against Graham. Hancock. He's great. Um but but it's. just the messaging isn't is is becoming.

that the Amazon was kind of man-made. And then so what happens is you get. leaders like in Brazil going, "Well, if. the Amazon was really man-made, then we. can manage it now." Oh. >> And that it's just not it's just not. accurate. If you look if you look at the. and even Smithsonian did an article. where they said, "These are the current. things that are coming out. These are. the theories." And then it went "Yeah, but these theories discount the fact. that 95% of the Amazon rainforest has. not been surveyed in this way and most. of it shows that these are just wild. ecosystems that have been growing since. the dawn of time for the last 55 30.

million years. and it's just been speciating and. growing and evolving on its own and it's. only in these tiny areas that humans. have. done this sort of engineering. Where. there were there were tribes, the first. one to come down the Amazon, he. mentioned that um. there were tribes that had sectioned off. parts of the river and they were growing. the giant river turtles and that was. their prime source of protein. So they. figured out how to get protein. >> river turtle. >> Oh, tremendous. They're like three or. four feet across from its carapace. >> me a giant river turtle, Jamie.

>> Oh, they're huge. >> Ooh. They're monstrous. Absolutely We. don't We don't have them in the wild. >> turtles? Like those sea turtles that you. get in Hawaii? >> sea turtle size. They're huge. They're. absolutely monstrous. And then we found. fossil There we were on a beach, we. found fossils of an eight-foot river. turtle. Yeah, but see like that. >> just like the ones you find in Hawaii. Those sea turtles are like if you go to. the Big Island, you could swim with. them. It's pretty dope. Yeah, these guys. don't have flippers though. They still. have they still have claws. Okay. >> are monster turtles and that's this.

>> Massive. And so and so. >> they were growing them, farming them for. food. >> They were farming them. And so in areas. like that, you're going to see. agriculture, you're going to see terra. preta, you're going to see things where. there was a small civilization by the. edge of the river and then in the other. 98% of the Amazon no one's ever been. there. >> Have you had sea turtle before? Have you. uh this kind of turtle, whatever it is? Have you eaten it yet? >> Oh, sea turtle no. This This turtle? >> Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. What is it like? Uh uh it's kind of slimy. It's not like.

anything. It's very strange cuz you they. cook it and just, you know, everyone. everyone always go, "How could you be a. conservationist and eat the animal?". Because when you go to someone's house. and they live on the side of a river and. they go, "We're having dinner." that's. what they're serving. >> to eat with them, yeah. You got to eat. with them. I wouldn't do that, man. You're ruining the. >> could you? Let me throw paint on it. >> [laughter]. >> Let me glue myself to the shell. >> Yes, that's what I'm going to do next. time. Um and I showed you that video where I'm. sharing the monkey head with the girl. Yeah. >> like I was babysitting a six-year-old. and she was like, "It's lunchtime." And.

I was like, "Well, what did your parents. leave you for lunch?" And she like opens. this pot and pulls out a monkey head and. she was like, "This." So we put it on. the fire, warmed it up and then we both. sat there just like rip I would like rip. off a piece for her cuz I was stronger. and give it to her and then she was. like, "No, no, no, I want the ear." And. she like she would rip off the ear. Wow. Like we just sat there eating a monkey. face. And so the turtle, they cook it in the. shell. They'll just like you know, they'll just like slit its throat, throw. it on the fire. And so it cooks in the. shell. Then they part the shell and then. you kind of just like it's like a slow. cooked like you have when the meat falls.

off the bone. Oh, wow. >> a little salt on there. And it's kind of. How do they get the salt? Is that. something they trade. >> They trade for it. They trade for it. I. mean the people I'm dealing with have. access to the outside. Even the really. remote communities that are two days. upriver, they they they trade with the. outside world. They have some. interaction with money. Mhm. >> And so that's one of the things that. we're doing as an organization is. saying, "Okay, what do you want your. future to look like?". Because right now you have a couple. shotguns, you got a couple chainsaws, you got a couple boats and those things.

make you want money, but you also want. to eat fish out of the river every day. Right. >> You also want to eat monkeys every day. And then these are your staples. And they're like, you know, if if if you. cut down more of these trees, there will. be less monkeys. If you shoot too many, like. it's not like they have deer they're not. understanding this. You know, when it. was a bow and arrow, it was kind of a. fair game. All right. Now the shotgun, it's like you can go shoot whatever you. want. >> time you point at a monkey, it's dead. >> Yes. It's not a tricky hunt. And so.

we're work These guys are, you know, working with us as rangers and we're. building this. developing this relationship with the. local communities of saying, "How do you. Do you want to continue living this way? Do you want your kids to live this way?". And the answer usually is yes, but with. better health and education. Mhm. >> So we want to Yes, but oh, that's. interesting. >> so they like that way of life. They want. They want to continue that way of life. Because it's the only thing they've. known. I mean has have any of these. people ever gone to like any of these. other cities that are fairly close or.

that they could reach and and see what. that life is like? Yeah, we bought we. brought one of the communities they were. having trouble with the Peruvian. government getting recognized as an. indigenous community and they were. having this trouble for 15 years and we. we used, you know, now we have lawyers. and and people and we have an office and. all this stuff in Peru and so we we went. and sat down with them and we said, "Okay, why are you having this trouble? I mean you clearly are an indigenous. community. What's What's the hold up?". And the hold up was that it takes two. days for them to get to the nearest.

town. When they get to the nearest town, they're. scared of the traffic. They have no idea. what to do with paperwork. They have to. sit in an office I mean these are people. they're like putting their bows and. arrows and guns down and walk walking. into an office and sitting there in the. air conditioning and they're like, "Next." And they're like, "Sit." And. they're like, "Do you have form like. I-227B?" And they're like, "I-2 what? Buh buh." And they're like, "What's your. social security number?" And they're. like, And then you know, they got some like. fish shells in their you know, >> [clears throat]. >> Um and so what we realized is that they. were just having trouble with the. administrative part and so we put our.

lawyers on it and we got them. their indigenous titled land and so now. no one can take that away from them. And. so for that, we brought them all to the. city. We had a big. conference and we had a big celebration. about it and they were all had the. feathers on their head and they were all. celebrating and now they're safe. Do. they get Is there any pushback? Like is. there any like political influence by. the whatever it is, miners, ranchers, anyone who tries to stop that from. happening, bribe people to try to take. over the land of these people?

Absolutely. I mean the Amazon is a war. zone of of influence and so you have I. mean the the miners, if anybody tries to. protest the gold mining, they kill you. So one of the lawyers that I was working. with, his father had come out and said, "Look, as a local Peruvian person in the. jungle, I want this to stop. They can't. They're just destroying." There's a. Jamie, there's a. a photo in the folder that says I think. it says sandstorm or something, but it's. just. it's not even again, deserts are are. actually ecosystems. This is a.

wasteland. They've They've destroyed. hundreds of thousands of acres in the. Peruvian Amazon. You can see it from. space. It's this horrible scar and. they've cut the trees, burned the forest. and then they've sucked the land up and. then they. they take the bottom of the sediment and. they use mercury to bind the gold out of. the sediment and then they burn the. mercury off the gold releasing it into. the air. Oh, great. Oh, yeah. So that. then in the rain, it comes down as. mercury rain which gets into the fish. which gets into the people. And then.

also the miners must be getting mercury. poison. The miners all have mercury. poisoning, birth defects, health. problems, respiratory issues. I mean. it's. Yeah, that's some of the fires. Um that's that's That is me. That is me. running out there with my camera. >> Yeah, I mean as soon as we see forest. burning, we we we run towards it. And it. rains there a lot, right? So like how. long does this forest fire last? >> do it in September when the It's like. it's like July through September when.

the forest is at its driest. They come in and they cut the forest and. they leave it down. >> that picture you just showed me, Jamie? That's a horrible picture. Is that animals burned alive on a tree? >> baby jaguars that were burned alive. >> Oh, god. Yeah, and so people And they're. just stuck on the tree burned alive. That's crazy. People talk about, you. know, we're losing ecosystems and it's. like it's not just about us. These. animals live there. They have nowhere. else to go and so there's massive. individual suffering for I mean millions. of animals on a single tree.

And so then when you have this these. these fires where they cut the forest. and just burn everything this I mean. those trees would have been filled with. monkeys and birds and and and and the. snakes, you know, they they get scared, they burrow deeper into their hole and. then they're then it burns. And so this. is all for gold mining? This was the. this was for cattle ranching, this one. This was invaders on our river that come. in from other places. They would they. set up cows, they set up papaya. And I mean this is what it's supposed to.

look like. It's supposed to be this. lush, verdant, ancient rainforest. filled with wildlife. I mean the. cacophony of sound when you when you. when you're going to sleep in your tent. at night and you're out in a place like. that, it's just this throbbing, pulsing. symphony. It's incredible. The magic of. that place of real wilderness. is wild. I mean this is play that that. particular shot was. it's we had to go for days to reach that. spot, you know, all day on the river, camp, all day on the river, camp, you. know, you're going up rapids, you're. going up the waterfalls to get to these.

places that nobody can go. And there's a. there's an example of it's. that was a. specifically a location where they've. studied and they found that there's. never been a human settlement there. It's just a corner of the Amazon. Ever. Have they done lidar in these areas. where they say the people have never. been? >> know for sure. >> it gets weird, right? Because like. they've done lidar on some of these. places that were like very lush and. tropical and then they find these. structures underneath it. Absolutely. These areas that clearly had you know.

some sort of pathways and like. geometric patterns that indicate. foundations of buildings. Yeah. I mean. those those are there. I just think that. right now the problem is that it's. getting grossly overstated how much of. the Amazon. If you take it take it as a. football field and you go, man, I. thought it was only in this much of the. football field, you know, in a few. inches of it and then you find out. there's actually 10 ft of the football. field that was there's just still the. rest of the football field is still. wild. >> Right. Right. >> what I think that's the the message.

that's getting lost is they're going. there's a lot more here than we thought. That doesn't mean the whole thing. >> a documentary once on this guy was. losing his mind. He was a scientist who. was a biologist who's convinced that the. giant sloth still existed. in the Amazon and they couldn't find it. Yeah. And that these people who live. there were telling him we see them, we. know what they are, we have a name for. them. And this guy had been there for. years and he was losing his mind because. he couldn't find it and he sort of. staked his academic reputation on the. idea that this sloth existed.

Couldn't find anything, but it doesn't. mean it's not there. It doesn't mean. it's not there. >> Because there's so much. There's so much. and the the locals are never wrong. Like. imagine if you were looking for a coyote. and you had to look through the entire. like there was a thousand coyotes in the. center of the United States and you. started in Pennsylvania and you were. hiking your way like, I don't see any. [ __ ] coyotes, but there's a thousand. of them there are in North Dakota and. you've got to find this like that's.

essentially That's a great way of. thinking of it. I it's the same thing. with rattlesnakes. When I was a teenager. I was exploring the mountains of of New. York and I was going it says there's. rattlesnakes here. So I was just walking. around finding every kind of snake. I'm. like, well, where are the rattlesnakes? And you don't realize that wildlife. occurs in populations and so the. rattlesnakes were all near rattlesnake. dens. And so then I started making friends. with other guys that were into snakes. and they're like, yeah, we know where. they are. It's only you see that. mountain right there? It's like it's on. the side of that. Go to that in the. morning when there's sun and you'll see.

them basking. It's like you got to go to. where they live. Right. And you have to. talk to the people that actually know. Well, this guy was trying to do that, but there was this this one scene of. exasperation where he was like sitting. down saying did I stake my entire. reputation on horse [ __ ] you know? Did. he did he. >> Buddy, do you have to pee? He keeps getting up, which is unusual. for him. Can you tell Jeff to come get. him? See if he can he might have to pee. He's generally he he's happy to chill.

Yeah, I'll just lay down. >> He he keeps getting up and he's huffing, which is like he communicates that way. Like when he wants to eat, he comes up. to me and he huffs, you know? No, but I think that that's that's. that's the truth is that it's it's. people think it's like you can just go. find this stuff and it's that the the. secrets in this world are hidden for a. reason and even if there is a tribe that. knows about the giant ground sloths, they're not going to tell us. Right. They're not going to tell someone.

from the outside. So it might be like. one one valley between two mountains. where there's still a population. >> bathroom, bring him back in here. >> [snorts]. >> I'm pretty sure he has to go. Thanks, Jeff. Um I wouldn't, you know. I mean there's. got to be a bunch well, there there's so. many plants that they find there. That. this is an interesting statistic. Um. find out what percentage of. pharmaceutical drugs the compounds. emanate from the Amazon. It's an. enormous percentage.

>> yeah. A lot of the base drugs quinine. came from the Amazon, the first cure for. malaria. I know captopril, which was a blood. pressure medication came from bushmaster. venom. That was in the '90s. This there's so much. I mean I just got. whacked by a stingray hard. I saw that. Got your foot, right? It was brutal. What was that like? What happened? >> I mean that in. >> Bro, you've been hit by everything. >> I I had to. >> [laughter]. >> Dude, I I my body is a Jackson Pollock. painting of scars. Do you do you ever. get checked for parasites cuz you must. have all of them.

>> do. I have Estimates tippy typically say. that about 25% of modern modern. pharmaceutical drugs are derived from. rainforest plants. And many of the of those known examples. come from the Amazon, but there's no. precise peer-reviewed percentage just. for the Amazon [clears throat] alone. Um. most popular figures you see like 25% of. medicines come from the Amazon actually. refer to all tropical rainforest, not. specifically the Amazon. But the the. thing is like. how much of the Amazon has not been. explored and how many potential.

pharmaceutical drugs or you know, here's. that's the term, right? Pharmaceutical. drugs. What about natural remedies exist. in the Amazon that aren't you don't need. to patent them and sell them at a. [ __ ] pharmacy and. Yeah, I mean look, so we have you know, we have we have Neosporin. You got a. cut, looks a little infected, you put. Neosporin on it. It might work. Down. there we have a tree that if you get we. we tested this and it it murders. bacteria. It's like 100 times more.

potent than Neosporin. What's it called? The sangre de drago. It's not even a big. secret. Like people know about this. Every time I post about it everyone's. like, yeah, we know about that. We use. it. No kidding. >> no one's ever turned it into a cream. >> in Austin? Probably. >> some sangre How do you say it? Sangre de drago, the dragon's blood. >> Sangre de drago. Sangre de drago. Sangre. de drago. >> Yes, dragon's blood. >> Game of Thrones again. That sounds like. something Khaleesi would say. >> [laughter]. >> The mother of dragons. Um.

I mean and by the way, Khal Drogo could. have used that as he died of an. >> I mean right? The thing that took him. down. That didn't make any sense to me. I thought that was a plot hole. >> No, There it is. Dragon's blood. Sangre de drago. >> Yeah, but is it good? Is it is it. sourced well? Right. It's probably made. by some [ __ ] It's probably like 1%. The rest of it's corn syrup. >> Cuz we just go we just hit the tree with. the machete and then you have a spoon. and then you put it on your thing and. actually exactly that. When I saw that I. thought the opposite. I was like, oh, this great warrior. I was like that's. such a great plot twist that just a a.

nick killed him. I mean I just had a. staff infection in my leg from one. mosquito bite that just got itchy and. then it spread and it spread and it. spread until I had to be on double. antibiotics. They cultured it and it was. MRSA. Ooh. >> have died. >> Amazon? Well, I got MRSA a years ago at. I had dengue and I'd gone to a to a. clinic in the city, which MRSA usually. lives like in the in the hospitals in. the human areas. Right, because it's a.

medication resistant staph infection. That's what that's what MRSA stands for, right? >> Yep. And so I had gotten it and so I. have a tendency now I've been a little. bit compromised in terms of infections. cuz living 20 years in the jungle. And uh. so I had already gotten it so chances. are that's where it doesn't exist. And. that's the thing you see in the in the. wild jungle, you don't have malaria, you. don't have rabies, you don't have dengue. because the human population is so low. that it doesn't spread. A mosquito bites. you here, the next person it's going to.

bite is me or Jamie. Mosquito bites me in the city and then I. go out into the rainforest, there's no. one else for it to bite. It's going to. bite a an anteater. Right. >> And so it's not going to spread like. that. Whereas if we have a town of. loggers, that's why when you go to these. like logging and mining camps the. diseases. they're just I mean there's this this. thing called this type of flea called a. pique that go burrows into your feet and. lays eggs. There's leishmaniasis, there's malaria, dengue, what's the the. bird Zika virus. There's all these. crazy things, but we don't have that out.

in the jungle because I mean the the. ecosystem, the frogs eat most of the. the the mosquito larva. The mosquito larva like like bromeliad. cups or puddles. Well, bromeliad cups. and puddles are filled with tadpoles. And then of course there's turtles in. the puddles eating the tadpoles and then. there's other things eating the turtles. Everything's eating everything. >> Ecosystem. Ecosystem regulates it. When. you ruin that, so then you cut down the. forest, now you have puddles sitting in. the sun and they're all twitching with. mosquito larva. So then you have tons of.

mosquitoes. And so that's how nature. they say, you know, mangrove forests. will stop tsunamis from destroying a. town because they'll stop the the rush. of the water. Well, forests will keep. you safe by not only producing rainfall. that will come down on your crops, but. also making sure that the ecosystem's. not out of balance so you're not covered. in mosquitoes and parasites. When I. lived in LA, I moved into a house in. Encino that I was renting and no one had. lived there in quite a while and they. had left the water in the pool. And when.

I was going out to look at the pool, the. pool was completely green and there was. things swimming in it. Like I mean like. schools swimming and I go, what is. that?" And the guy goes, "That's. mosquito larva." I was like, "Oh!". I'm like, "No way." And he's like, "Yeah, we have to kill them. We have to. drain the pool." And we like I I was. just thinking about how many times I was. going to get bit once these things. hatched. It was crazy. Like it was like. watching little fish swim around, little.

hatchlings. >> And then thank god for dragonflies cuz. they'll lay they'll lay their their. young in the same thing and dragonfly. larva will go murk those things. They're. savage. And then you get tadpoles. You. got a wild kingdom right in your pool. >> Right in your pool, right in your little. cup. But but when I got stung by the. stingray it was crazy cuz so the the I. had have been walking. >> buddy. I've been walking with shoes in. the stream. I took my shoes off cuz I. was like, "Oh, I'm at a waterfall. I. know this waterfall. I love this. waterfall." Playing in the waterfall and. man, it's the one thing bullet ants came. and bites, snake bites. I've I've had it.

all. The stingray bite was the one thing. cuz. >> Worse than bullet ants? A hundred thousand times worse. >> Really? >> Yes. And I'd seen one guy get get stung. by a stingray and he had nerve damage, a. a systemic infection up his leg and his. whole body and he didn't walk for. months. So when I got hit I felt this is. what I felt. I felt in a the flash of a. second I felt the stingray barb go into. my foot and it wagged its tail under my. skin. So it flayed the skin off the arch. of my foot and came out.

And it has venom? Yeah. So there All the. skin is Man, that's nasty. So I Did you. put the skin of the dragon or whatever. the hell it is? Better. So I I I I I I. sat and of course my first thing was I. was like, "Okay, I got to document. this.". >> Oh man, you were blacked out. I'm. unconscious at this point. >> that much pain? Yes, I was blacking out. >> out. He's like, "What is Yeah, I mean I. was literally I knew I knew people were. filming and I was like I didn't you know. you want to be tough. You want to be. like, "All right, I just got bit by a.

stingray. It's going to be fine." I was. not tough. You It says I don't remember. any of this. >> Yeah. So that that first thing right. there I started taking a video and my. friend comes up to me and he was like, "Hey man." He's like, "We got to you got. to stop." He's like, "Cuz in a minute. you're going to go under." I was like, "What do you mean I'm going to go. under?" And he's like, "Once the venom. hits your system." He's he goes, "You're. not going to be able to walk and we're. we're still a few miles from the river.". He's like, "We got to get you to the. boat and we can't carry you.". Whoa. And so they got me back to the. station. I don't remember any of it. They had me laying on my back and I was.

in so much pain I couldn't put my foot. down. I mean I was making deals with. god. I was going, "If I If you If you. just make the pain go away." I was like, "I'll go to church every day." I was. like, "I'll never smoke a cigarette. again.". >> foot? So that's the plant medicine. That's. where I'm going with this. >> cigarette every day, that's funny. They that that pack there, they went to. two different trees and they removed. compounds from the tree. One was the. bark and one was the fiber and they put. it into a leaf pack and they cook it on. a pan and they heat it and it makes this. plant poultice and they put this boiling.

hot piece of plant material. It's like a. It's like a fishcake and they put it. against the wound and even that burned. but it felt better than the than the. venom. And it starts to suck out the. venom. And so when they took it off my foot. after like two This is This is them. getting the getting the plant material. where they know the medicines and that's. been handed down through the. generations. So they're just shaving it. off with a knife. Yes, you see these few. different colors. >> Uh-huh. Wow. >> they heat that up until it's scalding,

press it against your foot. >> been in the Amazon for a long time. Is. this is the first time this ever. happened to you? You've been stung by a. stingray? This is the first time. Now. how does it happen? You just You step in. the wrong place? >> JJ's nephew. So he knows he's got the. indigenous training. He knew exactly. what to do. Wow. >> Yeah, and so that's all the venom. So. now. >> Whoa, it pulls the venom. >> stuff is all the all the the the. denatured blood that came out of my. foot. And so for about 4 hours I was in. this state of just level 10 pain, just. white hot pain. I couldn't talk to. anybody. I couldn't do anything. People.

were coming to me and they were like, "What can we do?" And I was like, "Just. leave me alone." I was like, "I don't. want you to look at my face.". You know, I was coming in and out and. then and then by night time. it had it had gotten This was at night. where I was like, "Okay, the pain had. subsided." But I didn't get nerve damage. and I didn't get a huge infection. because they had this indigenous plant. medicine to save me. Wow. >> The last guy that I knew that got it, he'd went straight to the hospital and. they had no idea how to deal with it. The locals know how to deal with this. stuff. >> Wow. >> that. That's crazy.

>> That's tree medicine. >> That's crazy. So. what what happens? You just stepped in. the wrong spot? That's all it is? I mean. I've stepped on stingrays before and you. feel them flutter and I one time I even. felt the barb go like past my foot but. it didn't penetrate. I do not know how. I mean it must have been a small one or. something but it just right up through. the through the arch of my foot. And. what's funny is it just. >> never walk barefoot ever. I walk. barefoot all the time. But but but just. days before Not days before that, about. a month before that I'd fallen off of.

something like a 50 or 60 foot cliff and. just rolled down and bruised ribs and. gotten all banged up. I'd climbed up. this cliff thinking I could I was like, "Oh, I see this root up there. I can get. up to the top." And at the top my. strength just ran out. And my feet were. pedaling and I had no foot holes and I. just went tumbling down this thing and I. just went, "You know what?" I said, "I've had infections. I've had crocodile. bites. I've had I've had. dengue." I said, "I'm I got a week left. in the Amazon." I'd been in the Amazon. for 6 months. I was like, "I'm doing. nothing dangerous. No tree climbing, no.

anaconda hunting, no croc diving, none. of that stuff." And I was just swimming. in the waterfall and bam. Just. >> Just the game. That was actually in April. I waited to. post it until now but everyone's. everyone's messaging me going, "How's. your foot?" And I'm like, "It was months. ago." But I was like, "It is better.". How long did it take before it was. better? Honestly, 2 days. I was on my. feet in 2 days. Wow. Yeah. And if you. went to the hospital? I did not go to. the hospital. >> But if you did go to the hospital. >> the guy that the guy that went to the. hospital.

didn't walk for 2 months, had the. necrosis and and had a huge infection. that he had to go get treatments for. I. mean he went back to his home country. Wow. >> being treated for months. I felt. terrible. And him too, watching watching. someone roll back and forth in that type. of agonizing pain, like Braveheart pain, like when they're just like opening him. up. I mean I just didn't know there was pain. like that, you know. I mean I've I've. I've ripped open every part of my body. and. and I I I just this was it's from the. inside and it's pulsating and you just.

go The other thing is you go, "How much. how much of my year did I just miss?". You know, "Am I going to. It's like the the one time I almost. chopped my knee. I almost cut the tendon. that holds your kneecap on and I was. just like, "Man, did I just take myself. out of the game for a year?". You know, just like, "Come on." And so. when that happened I was like, "This is. going to be so bad." And meanwhile a. couple days later you're walking around. because they understood the medicine. >> guys know. Yeah. Wow. >> That was awesome. >> them how they know this stuff? Yeah. Their.

father taught them and their mother. taught them and their grandparents know. And so that's the thing with knowledge. indigenous knowledge all If you If you. listen to authors like Wade Davis who. writes a lot about indigenous wisdom. you know, this is stuff that's been one. at a time gleaned from nature and you. know, you you know better than most. You. know, you're living out there. Who's the first person to figure out. ayahuasca? You know, if we take this and. this We take this vine and then we take. this and we boil them together. How many. trials and errors? How many dead guys.

were there before one worked? Right. And. what was the motivation? And what was. the motivation? >> They said the jungle taught them how to. do it. They did. They the the prevailing. thing is that science and and sort of. the like the statistics of of trial and. error are incomprehensible given 40,000. plant species and all the different. flowering and orchids and trees. And so it would take millennia if it if. you did trial and error. Yeah. And the. cost of human life to any civilization. would make it too high. And so when they.

say that the gods gave us ayahuasca. that's the prevailing best thing we got. is that it's a link between our world. and the spirit world that the jungle. gave us. Right. And and the the you know. the other thing is like how much of our. senses have atrophied by modern. civilization? Yeah. Like what kind of. communication do you actually get from. the forest? Like is there Is it. instincts, intuition? Are there senses?

Does Is there a feeling that you get. where you get an understanding of. combining two things because the. jungle's actually got a way of. communicating with you that's a. nonverbal way? >> [snorts]. >> I think the the jungle I mean I view it. as almost a you know, it's like it's. godlike. It's It's almost like a a giant. complex sentient being. And so you if you listen to if you watch. you know, if you walk the jungle with. JJ, an indigenous tracker, he'll tell. you you listen to the birds, they'll. tell you how fast you're allowed to. walk. What? And what he what he means is.

you're walking through the forest on a. sunny day. It's the afternoon and. everybody's chirping and making tons of. noise. Then all of a sudden everything. goes quiet. And then you got to figure out, you. know, is that because there's a weather. system coming in and we're about to be. in a thunderstorm or is there a jaguar. right over there? And everything around. me knows. And it's like the the the. birds are the messengers of the forest. And so you even that you start to become. attuned to the frequency of the forest. And I notice when I bring people in that. you know, never been in the wild before, they they walk loud, they're talking the.

whole time. They're not paying attention. to that sort of Right. you know, holistic view of where you are. You know, modern [clears throat]. civilized life has made us so clunky. when it comes to the woods. >> Yeah. You know, just when I take people. in the woods if people are have never. hunted before, you know, they're. stepping on branches. Snap. Kicking. rocks over. You're like, "Do do do do do. do." Talking loud. My favorite is. walking in front of you and then when. the stick snaps back like you know, not. having the sensitivity to like They. don't catch it. >> They don't catch it. Like, come Yeah.

Just get smacked in the face. Thanks. Well, it's just a lack of awareness, you. know. It's like if you've never been, you don't understand. But I mean, I would imagine it's that. times a million in the Amazon. And then. all the different things that are. communicating. One of the things that. they found out with with monkeys. is that monkeys have some sort of a. language where they can say a sound that. means an eagle is there. >> Yes. And that they will play tricks on. other monkeys so they can get to fruit.

>> Yeah, yeah. So they will say that an. eagle is there when an eagle's not there. >> Uh-huh. and then they'll go and steal. the fruit. Yeah. So they will lie. about an eagle being there so they can. get access to fruit. Lying monkeys does. not surprise me. Um it's African vervet. monkeys that I that I've read about that. they have different calls, different. words. >> Uh-huh. for land predator, lion, eagle, and they can communicate these things. So I mean they're speaking. Yeah. They're speaking. >> That's how crows I'm sure. Oh god, yes.

>> Yeah, I mean they're super intelligent. >> Yeah. Oh, I don't know how we pull this. up. I have it on YouTube, but there was. this thing where we were coming down. river. It was like 7:00 in the morning. We'd been up at our This is I. communication with monkeys theme. As as. we're coming down river, it's like 7:00. in the morning and I'm I'm always cold. So I'm sitting on the boat and I'm cold. and I'm just like listening to music or. something. And JJ's like, "Look, look, look." He's like, "There's a spider. monkey in the river.". And I was like, "There's always a you. know, spider monkeys cross rivers. That's okay." And he's like, "No, no, no, the river's high right now and. there's all these whirlpools and.

currents." And so yeah, I jump into the. river. to save the monkey? >> to save the monkey. She couldn't get to. the side. So I give her my paddle and. she looks at me and she goes, "No.". She's like, "I'm scared of you." And. then I spoke to her in spider monkey. What did you say? Like that. >> She thinks you're going to eat her. She. thinks I'm going to eat her, but as soon. as I started going. Look, look, look. She was looking at me. cuz I'm making the sound. And all of a sudden she goes, "Wait, wait, wait. You you speak me language.". Whoa. >> And then. >> Do it like you would do it.

See? I'm making it right there and she's. looking at me. I'm talking right to her. No, no, no, no, no. And then I'm like, "Look, it's okay.". And they like their tail to be. supported. >> Wow, that's crazy, dude. She let you. hold on to her. >> as you know, she's relaxed. That's. crazy, dude. You saved a monkey. Only. because I spoke her language and I. learned her language from some of the. orphans that I've rescued. >> That's crazy, man. And then she she was. like, "Well, if you let" cuz I could. have grabbed her like you know, like. animal control like grabbed her by the. neck. And I was like, "You know what? Look, she's looking at me cuz I keep. talking to her." And then you got her.

over to the to the shore? Yeah. Got her. over to the side. And she kept looking. at me like, "What is What?" What. happened when you put her down? >> I put her down, she ran away. >> ran away? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But not fast. She didn't run away like. she was in terror. Yeah. Oh yeah, that I. when when I when I first did it, I went. And she looked at me and she went. She looked at me and she like responded. She was like, "What?" That's crazy. >> You know. That's crazy. >> wild. And that's one of those stories. where if it wasn't on video and I said I.

spoke to a spider monkey and she. responded, people would be like, "Yeah, bullshit.". >> Right. I saved a spider monkey. I'm. like, "Bitch, that was your pet.". >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That looked like. a pet. That looked like you had a. relationship with it. Like what as. you're holding on to the tail like it. knew you. >> When she was looking back, I mean she. was like, "Hey, thanks for the branch.". You know, I was She was cuz she was. drowning. We saw her head go under a few. times. She was really struggling. She was. exhausted. And I know that the spider. monkey their tail is their fifth limb. They have this incredible finger pad. that's like 12 in long. And so it just.

it just wraps. They always have their. tail anchored on a branch. And so I I. held her tail and I was like, "I got. you. Now hold on to the stick." I was. like explaining it to her. And she's looking at me going, "How the. hell are you That is so wild. >> Yeah, it was it was really cool. That. was a I originally I was like, "JJ, I. was like, I don't want to get wet. She'll be fine." He was like, "Go get. it. Go catch it." I was like, "Okay.". Wow. You must have eaten spider monkey, haven't you? Well, sure. >> [laughter].

>> That doesn't mean I don't want to save. them. Right. I would save a deer. Mhm. >> [snorts]. >> I mean a deer. But it. Does it feel It must feel really weird. eating a primate. I wish I could say it did. I don't care. Really? No. I mean I we've become very. callous to certain things. But I mean. when people serve turtle now, I'm like, "Well, which one is it?" You know, it's. like I don't. I don't really you know, it's like. ribeye or T-bone. Like what are we what. are we eating? It's like. >> Is turtle good? Like would you like. order it at a restaurant? >> So the problem is that. >> [snorts]. >> the way they cook.

the way they cook it down there. These. are people that live hand to mouth, right? And so when they cook a turtle, if you get salt, you're lucky. It's not. like they're sprinkling some cilantro on. it and like marinating it. It's you. know, so if you just like took a chicken. and threw it on a fire and then like ate. a piece of it, it's not great. And so a lot of times that you eat this. this food way out there in the bush, I. mean I've been there where they've shot. a spider monkey, grilled it up and I've. been like to you know, I'll just eat. rice and then I'm like, "I'm going to be.

I'm going to be tired tomorrow. There's. no protein I haven't had protein in a. week." And I'm like, "Give me an arm, you know.". >> [laughter]. >> You just like eat the hand. I'm like, "All right." And it just tastes awful. Just tastes like char. >> he was in the Amazon with the Yanomami. Yeah. And he said that that's their. preferred food. That they like that. above everything. Yeah. Yeah. And I but and I see no I see no. conflict between. you know, we're trying to protect the. ecosystem and save the monkeys. And I. love the monkeys and I've rescued a lot. of them personally.

But again, when you're when you're in. Rome, Right. you know, if you don't eat. with them, they go, "That gringo." You. know, they think that they're. >> Yeah. Whereas they're like, "Oh, you're. one of us." Right. You have to. >> you show them you know how. Mhm. You. know, little little things or or Must be. chewy as [ __ ] right? No, it's it's kind. of smooth. It's kind of like if it's. well cooked, it's kind of like mutton. This episode is brought to you by Armra. Every week there's some new wellness. hack that people swear by. And after a. while, you start thinking, "Why do we think we can just outsmart. our bodies?" That's why Armra Colostrum.

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slow cook it, long cook it. Is that what. it is? Ideally, yes. But a lot of times. it's just they they tie it to a cross. like it's little monkey Jesus and they. throw it on the fire. Yeah, I've when I saw them cook it, they. singed the outside. They singed all the. hair off and then they cooked it I think. they cooked it inside banana See if you. can find Steve Rinella eats a monkey. >> [laughter]. >> Um I think they and then they boiled.

some of it in like a soup. I don't enjoy. boiled meat. I'm never excited by boiled. meat. But stew. Right? Isn't stew kind. of good? Yeah, I mean they if you Yeah. If you sear it first and then you I mean. it's kind of a boiled. >> it first, yeah, right? Cuz like just. boiled chicken to me just like you think. a white like. Just eating it. Yeah, so here he's just. eating chunks of monkey. >> they're like having a really good time. Yeah, initially he was like, "I'm not. doing that." And then once they started. doing it, he was like, "Okay.". He said it's it tasted like smoked.

turkey. Yeah. My boy Yiannis. Yeah, it is uh. it's interesting because if you live. there, like my friend David Choe, he was. in Africa and he hunted with the Hadza. Mhm. And they eat baboons. And he said. one of the craziest things is when you. hit the baboon with an arrow, they grab. it. Like a person. >> Yeah. Like if a person got shot with an. arrow and he's like, "Dude, it's. fucked." Yikes. Yeah, but that's what. they eat. They don't have a lot of food.

and you know, it's like you were saying. also. when it it they don't have a sense of. wildlife conservation. It's not like, "Hey, we we have an accurate assessment. of how many baboons are here or how many. deer are here or dikers or whatever the. animal is that they're hunting. They. just eat whatever they can and sometimes. they eat them almost to extinction and. then they have to move on to baboons. And baboons were like the only thing. that was left. And there's also like. other people have encroached in. settlements and you know, >> [snorts]. >> That's the way my guys cuz we have a lot.

of wildlife in our region. And people. from other regions will come as loggers. and they'll go, "Oh my god, my dad told. me that it used to be like this where we. were." Mhm. And now we have people from. other watersheds in the Amazon like you. know, 150 mi away coming to us and. they're going, "Can you guys bring. jungle keepers over?" And they don't. understand, you know, we're we're. killing ourselves just to protect this. river. And they're going, "Can you do. this where we are?" They're like, "We. have no more food." Uh Because they. don't have any regulation on this. And. so what we're doing with the tribes in. our area is just teaching this basic. thing of like you know, don't hunt, you.

know, at these times of year when. they're having their babies. Right. Don't overhunt. Monitor how many monkeys. you're bringing into the into the into. the village. And so we're trying to develop this with. them where if you're going to keep. eating monkeys, do it in a way that. they're keep being monkeys. >> Especially once they've gotten firearms. Especially once they've gotten firearms. The. one of the older guys said to me, he. goes, "Man, it's so sad." He goes, "We. grew up." He goes, "You could just pull. fish out of the river and there was. monkeys in the trees and there was. turtles." He goes, "You could eat.

whatever you wanted out of the forest.". He goes, "Now he goes, we're eating. sparrows.". Ooh. And he was like, "We've just we've. eaten everything down to the smallest. birds." He was like, "It's just. destroyed." And it was where he is is. like something was like Cormac. McCarthy's nightmare. If Cormac McCarthy. was still alive, I would show him. the the the I went to a part of the. Amazon that that really no one goes to. up this horrible river. And. and the they were recently contacted. uncontacted people. Just just this tribe.

that had just come out of the forest and. they still had their bows and they had. no idea me and JJ went for like a 3-week. expedition plane to plane to plane to 3. days on a boat to 2 days on a boat to. finally reaching this last settlement. and. the missionaries had pulled this tribe. out of the forest. They tricked them. They said just come with us for a ride. Pulled them out but then they said well. if you want to go back you got to pay. for your gasoline and the tribe was like. well how do we pay with what? And they were like money and the tribe. was like what's that and where do we get. it? And so these little people are.

standing these were not tall people like. the Mashco Piro. These were little tiny. people and they were standing there with. their bows. And so we showed up with our. tents and our gear and we were trying to. go up this river in our boat and these. little people came up to us and they. were like they were making the gesture. for food. And so there's some loggers over there. and so JJ just didn't didn't think. and he was like you want some food you. got to go pay for it. He was like money. and you know he's through a guy he was. translating and these people going but. we don't have any money and JJ took some. coins out of his pocket and was like. just go buy some bread and he gave them.

some coins and they went and they tried. it and they got some bread. And then all of a sudden there was 50 of. them coming at us and they were. surrounding JJ and they were grabbing at. him and they were like he's the guy with. these tokens that allow us to eat. And. we had to get out of there cuz it was. causing a problem but. >> Oh wow. >> these people think they had they they're. with their bows and arrows and there's. no more animals to hunt and no one's. going to give them money and they live. at the edge of the world. >> And they're probably tiny cuz they don't. have any protein. Yeah. Wow. >> It was horrifying. It was one of the.

worst things I've ever I've seen poverty. all over the world. This was. uh. again. >> A hunter-gatherer tribe with no food. With no food and no way of getting back. to forest where they could be a. hunter-gatherer tribe. Now they were in. this in this wasteland where the loggers. and the gold miners and the oil. companies there was there was even there. was even a barge with oil and it was. like this is where the Amazon is being. eaten. And it was out of sight. You have. to go for days just to get there. There's no foreigners there. Actually. they did say. we were talking to one logger and he.

said. he goes you know a few years ago he goes. there was a we saw some rafts coming. down river and then they stopped at this. beach up river and they they they made. camp and he's like so we all talked. about it and we said well. we have a feeling they're organ. harvesters. And they. >> What? They were scared of these of these. incomers right? >> organ harvesters visit the Amazon? >> And so but that's what they were they're. sitting around the campfire and someone. was like what if they're organ. harvesters? >> Who Why would they think that? >> know. It that must be a thing that gets.

I don't know but but the dude I was. sitting with told me he goes you know we. got real scared sitting around the. campfire. Everyone was telling these. stories and he's like so we figured the. safest thing would be to go kill them. So they went and they killed them. And they were a couple of European. like hikers on a mega expedition in the. Amazon and they just got murdered by the. locals preemptively in case they were. dangerous. Oh god. >> And this dude was like yeah we [ __ ]. up. Oh man. >> talking to him I was like so who did the. killing? >> Like I said was it you know I was like.

[ __ ] man. But I mean this place was. dark. Yeah like you know I I in in the. next book I write I'm going to have to. do a deep dive into this one cuz it was. just. it was it was heavy and we also we knew. we for the first time you know when. you're in the jungle we're like we're. safe. This place it was like people are. looking at you and they're like that's a. jacket. and a watch and they're like a camera. and a tent and a packraft they're like. you. they're like if we killed him we get all. kinds of stuff. They're looking at you. like well that's a a lot of opportunity.

and you could just see them being like. well let's separate him from the herd. Ooh. Yeah it was rough. It's like you. think like the cowboy days like when it. was really wild like Blood Meridian. Well not only that but there's probably. a ton of stories about people that have. come down and done horrible things. Oh. yeah. So it's not like you're thinking. like these are wonderful people that. come to give us plantains. No. >> No you're thinking these are the type of. people that would do horrible things to. us. Yeah. So we have an opportunity to. get something from them and you pure. desperation. Pure desperation and so.

like the the communities that I've. worked with in. my region of the Amazon they're all you. know you show I've showed up on a. packraft and been like hey and they're. like where did you come from? And I'm. like I'm just this foreigner who does. work here and I talk to them and they're. like oh camp here you'll be safe. They're really nice. They're caring. They're families. This place that we were at was this. outpost and it was all extractors. It. was all gold miners. petroleum people loggers and it was like. all the men who were in the dark but the.

the the black market people were all in. the same place. So there was like a. brothel. There was these displaced. natives and then there was like this one. really scary missionary. This man looked. insane. He had crazy eyes and he. wouldn't come anywhere near us. Um from where? Where's he from? >> I couldn't I couldn't tell where he was. from but he was dressed in the robes. It. was like the mission except he was evil. Like you could tell he you could tell he. looked at us and just vanished. And he. had this little settlement that he had. cleared and he was bringing his children.

in Oh god. >> them out of the forest. >> He looked like a white guy. But it it was hard to tell. He had he. had you know like a beard he looks like. Rasputin. Oh wow. >> poor people are sitting there and you. could see them like they were all like. breastfeeding their babies and like like. trying to eat rats and like it was just. we stayed there for one night and we all. we didn't sleep. We we we slept back to. back. We were just in our tent just awake all. night and then the next day we got in. the boat and we kept going further up. river. We finally made it into the into. past the edge of human civilization into.

into just uncharted jungle but it was. really dark. And so at least where we are. it's like we're. we're working with these tribes to make. their lives better to educate them and. there's this feeling this is good. feeling. We have jungle keeper shirts. I. mean now we're on the river and we see. jungle keeper boats going by where where. you know we had gold miners just a few. just a few weeks ago we had gold miners. everyone the whole team was calling each. other. We sent our we sent our ranger team out. there. We brought the police. They. arrested the gold miners. They brought. them to town. They offered them jobs and.

they said you just can't be doing that. here. And so they only cleared like half. an acre of forest and then we got them. So they didn't destroy anything and so. that's how we're keeping the river. >> hired them to mine gold right? >> thing that no one hires them. They they. get it in their head. They go. you know hey. to their cousin they you know they'll go. why don't we go make some money? Let's. go up there and see if there's gold and. they'll launch a little expedition. They'll bring like a 16 horsepower motor. and go for 3 days and they'll they'll. sneak past us on I mean now the.

government's getting involved because. we've been having the success. We're. going to get a park guard station on our. river so we're not going to have this. problem. But they'll go up the river. and they'll just set up and they'll you. know they'll start panning and they'll. go I see a this little flake here and. they're like cool let's burn some forest. and then we'll start sucking it up. We'll run it through the big motor and. they they'll bring their wives and their. kids and it's it's artisanal. They're very and so what they do is they. get the gold and then they have to take. it in their little boat back to the town. and then here's the problem. There's one. store where you go to sell the gold and.

guess who's waiting outside that store? The people that rob you at gunpoint and. take your gold and then give it to the. actual people. And so it's it's really sad artisanal. gold mining. They're not organized and. it's the same with the narcos. We've. been having problem with narcos. and everyone's like dude you can't mess. with the narcos like you're going to. lose the fight and it's like yeah but. these are. these are people that are like we're. just going to grow a little bit. What are they growing? Coca. They're I. mean we busted.

we helped the police bust a. a we saw a clearing. uh on deep deep deep deep way up river. days up river. There's a clearing out in. the jungle and so we sent our rangers. The rangers came back and were like we. can't deal with this. There's something. scary going on up there. And so we told the police and the police. were like yeah we'll try and get up. there. Now at the same time I'm with JJ one day. and we always do the same thing. When. there's there was a there was a bad. patch of deforestation along the river. We said how the hell did this happen? They did it so quick.

And so I put up the drone. and I flew it over and I'm still going. who is you know who are these people? Are they loggers? We're just trying to. get a sense of what's going on. Fly the. drone down and usually when we see. loggers they'll run in they have these. little palm thatched huts. They'll run. into them to hide from the drone. That's crazy. They didn't know what a. drone is. Well these people came running. out. and they had guns. And we had already on the river we had. passed their settlement and flown the. drone back. Their boat came out after. us.

And we started going and I was like JJ. you could just talk to them like normal. and he looked at me and he went not this. time. And we had a we had a 60 horsepower and. they had a 40 and we were just blazing. ahead of them and I had the drone in the. air. And so it's you know it's a [ __ ] $5,000. drone. And so I'm driving the drone and. I was like can we can we like I got to. get this drone and they were like we JJ. looked at me he's like we're not. stopping. And I it it dawned on me that it was. like we're we're if we get caught we're. getting killed. Oh man. >> And we arrived at our hunt.

at this point nobody on the boat had a. gun. And so we arrived at a place where the. police were camped out where the guard. they had been dispatched to go check out. that other site and so we arrived and. the police force that we work with was. there and we pulled up and we're like yo. we got bad guys coming in and they they. masked up loaded up. They got on our. boat. We turned around and then as soon. as they saw us coming back at them. they left. And then days later they went to that. same police force and assassinated one. of the guys. Oh man.

>> So the narcos are different. The narcos are scary. And that clearing that we originally. found they were actually pre-day of. sacks of white powder. The Peruvian. military went in and actually raided. that camp arrested everybody. It was so. big that the American DEA knew about it. They were notified. And so this is now what's happening on. this river where it's because it's the. last wilderness. they're coming. And so we're we're we're. trying to you know we're relying on the. Peruvian authorities to stop this from.

happening so that we can create this. park before it's too late cuz they're. also blazing roads. They're bringing in. loggers. They're smart. They bring. people and they'll send the loggers. ahead of them and then when the loggers. clear the land they'll just start. growing coca. And so it's gotten it's gotten scary. I. I te- I texted you when it was at its uh. when I first started having to travel. with security. Um. >> [clears throat]. >> I remember texting you because I was. like this is this is a different game. You know it used to be like we're we're. counting the butterflies and we're Yeah.

you wanted to learn where to train. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz it's scary walking. around. Well the thing is the the police. intercepted off of one of the people. that they arrested on the phone it said. if you see JJ or that [ __ ] gringo. that flies the drone they said if you. kill them we'll reward you. Oh man. >> So they found this message on WhatsApp. They showed it to us and they were like. you guys have a hit on you. And then a few days later they they JJ. was supposed to get in the car at the. side of you know you take the boat down.

river to the car and he was supposed to. get in the car and go back to the town. He actually came down river in the boat. and then went ah I forgot I forgot that. I wanted to finish up something at the. station. Take me back. He went back to. the station. So our driver Percy. started driving back along this little. dirt logging road by himself. And they had trees across the road. Masked guys with guns. They put the guns. in the windows. They pulled him out and. our windows are tinted and they said. take JJ and Paul out. They were going to do it.

And so it just so happened that JJ. wasn't in the car. Just by pure luck he was not in the car. that day. And they roughed up our driver. They. took his driver's license. Uh they took his cell phone. and they just said just let them know we. missed him today but we'll get him soon. Oh man. And so we when of course we went to the. police and we're like look you we're. going to need a lot more protection. They're like it's getting. I mean we're we're just trying to save. the rain forest man. Like we're not.

trying to. and these people are going well we're. just trying to grow drugs. And we want to do that where there's no. police and the wilderness is only the. wilderness is becoming a finite thing. now so it's becoming this battle. battleground. Jamie on there is a map. I'm wondering. if you could pull up the map cuz I could. explain to you. >> of this right now? Are they still after. you guys? They are still after us but. it's been for for about 8 months it was. really bad. It was really scary. It was horrible.

Like every day anytime JJ called me I. I'd have a panic attack. But you see the the the yellow on the. right is the trans-Amazon highway. That's the big that's the big artery. That's what the Chinese and Brazil have. been built. But then that smaller thing. going up that's. that's the roads that the loggers and. the narcos are making. And so that big. red arrow they're trying to make a road. that goes in through there. And so the the white line outlines what. we're trying to protect and then that. light greenish blue.

is the area that we have protected. That's that 130,000 acres that we have. protected. And so that's what we're doing right. now. It's a race against time. If we can. fill in that area if we can fill that. whole thing in we save the land and once. it's ours once it's under Jungle Keepers. protection it's indigenous protected the. All right we're back. Yeah. Um so where. are they dro- growing the drugs in this. map? So right at the upper tip of that. arrow sort of the outside they had cut a. little a little road filament into. there. And again these little tiny trail.

roads they they go under the forest. The. forest 160 ft tall. Is there a way you. can communicate with these guys saying. you're not trying to stop this? I mean right now what we're doing is. putting signs on on all of these little. tiny I mean these are jungle roads where. just to go on the road you're going out. to where. you know if anybody finds you out there. they'll just kill you and your body will. be decomposed and recycled within 48. hours by the jungle. So you're you're. you're past where there's police. This. is just earth. It's the wild west. More than the wild west right because.

the wild west was never this dense. Well it's the wild west and you can't. see 10 ft in front of you. Right. That's. what I'm talking about. Like this is. more wild than the wild west. I I guess. so. Yeah. You still have you have you. have Indians with arrows and now you. have these narcos that are that are. straight up evil that are coming. I mean. they're taking girls from indigenous. communities to work in their brothels. They're growing cocaine. >> up there? You got men working out in the. jungle. And so they go to the communities and. they tell them hey your daughter's very. pretty she'd be a great waitress you.

know we can educate her while she trains. and helps people. and then they they they never see them. again. And so it's all that darkness and and at. the same time what we're doing is. bettering the lives of the community. making friends with these people. We. have these amazing rangers and I mean we. have different ranger stations along the. river and if we make this into a park. like. um Teddy Roosevelt no John Muir took. Teddy Roosevelt on a three-day camping. trip and showed him Yosemite and like. Sequoia and all this stuff and he was. like we got to protect this. Like it's.

special here. Look at the size of these. trees. Look at the beauty of this valley. and then they protected it. There's nothing as wild as this river on. earth today. And so if we protect this now the the. the the 200 indigenous people that live. on this river get protected from the. narcos. They continue having abundant fish and. resources and then they'll work as park. guards and educators and chefs and boat. drivers to maintain this gigantic. protected area and then Peru will have. this crown jewel of the Amazon.

So they love it. >> But how can you protect them from the. narcos? I mean it seems like the amount. of money that's involved in trafficking. cocaine. would make it a real problem. But the good thing is that these are the. little artisanal ones. These are the. guys that go these are not like mafia. bosses. This isn't like the Mexican. cartel. These are like these little. clans of people that go you know what we. could just grow some cocaine and then. we'll sell it to the big guys. And so. they're just they're like mom and pop. cocaine growers.

>> But they're also murderers. Well of. course. And so when the when the cops go out. there the cops just arrest them and take. them straight to jail. And so the cops. have been supp- Everyone assumes that. Latin American police no matter what are. going to be corrupt and like the police. force we've been working with has been. keeping us alive. and they want this park protected as. much as the indigenous people do. It's amazing how many good people are. out there. They're actually helping. And how many narco organizations. artisanal narco organizations are out.

there? Peru has become it's it's it's not. great. Peru I think has become if not on. the same level as Colombia I think they. might have surpassed Colombia in terms. of cocaine production. They're they're not doing great with. that right now. And so we're at this very very. uh crucial juncture there but you know. it's funny cuz in in doing all this you. know with. even with the book coming out and I've. I've been talking to people and people. go well you have narcos now they're like. so you're going to fail. And it's like.

man you're not even the one on the. ground. Like I'm the one on the ground. I'm telling you we're not going to fail. And the police have been successful at. clearing them out and it's getting. better. Just like the whole thing with. yeah the Amazon's disappearing but we. can still stop it. It's like you got to. you think like before D-Day if Churchill. was like ah we'll probably lose. Like you can't have that mentality. And so it's very very encouraging seeing. the the uh. the local people stand up for what they. believe in and and and the job is. dangerous. There's a.

there's a video on there that I think it. says Sandra tree crush but we I got woke. up a few a few weeks ago. and. one of my managers came running at like. 3:00 a.m. I see a flashlight coming through the. jungle. And so I'm thinking the worst. And then he comes he's going Paul he. goes a tree and I was I told you last. time I was on here I said the most. dangerous thing in the rain forest is. the trees falling. He said a tree fell. on the ranger station and it's raining. and I'm talking about rain. You know. when you're at the airport and you hear. that sound where it's like there's no.

sound louder. Your ears can't handle it. It was raining so loud and he's. screaming into my ear that this tree. fell on the ranger station. He goes and. one of the rangers was. was crushed. And I'm going but dead or. alive? And he goes we don't know yet. And so it's 3:00 a.m. and we get in this. boat and we're going up river and. there's lightning flashing and there's. rain falling and I'm looking with the. flashlight and I'm I'm navigating by the. crocodile eyes cuz we don't know where. the edges of the river are cuz they. cuz they the eye shine. And so we have footage of this and we.

arrive at the ranger station and sure. enough this tree had fallen crushed the. roof all the beams and and all the all. the scaffolding under the roof and. fallen on this woman's face while she. was in bed. And so she was crushed under. this and she couldn't even scream. because it was raining so loud. And so. we get there and I I stick my hand into. the rubble and I hold her hand and I'm. like are you okay? And she was like hey. Paul she's like I have no idea. And she. was amazingly like like buoyant. She was.

like I have no idea if I'm okay. She's. like but I'm alive. I was like we're. going to get you out of here and we. started chainsawing I mean like 16 ft of. tree debris over her and all this. gnarled roof material and we had to pull. her out of there and she had a scratch. on her ankle. Wow. >> this great video of her sitting in a. hammock at like 6:00 a.m. and she's. smoking a cigarette and she's like I'm. alive. She's going I'm alive. And she didn't quit. She's still a. ranger. And it's like she's out there. right now driving up and down cuz she. wants that forest protected for her. kids. And it's like these people care. It.

sounds like the adventure of this is. very addictive to you. This is what what. I'm getting. I think you love it. I. think you love the forest. I think you. love protecting it but I think there's. something about the danger of it and the. chaos and the wildness of it all that's. that seems to me I'm looking in your. eyes. You're smiling cuz you know I'm right. I. know, yeah. I'm not going to I'm not. going to deny that. That's When I was a. kid, I remember sitting in school and. being like, "Why did Like you read about.

like Roosevelt and Jane Goodall?" And. like these people had these amazingly. adventurous lives. And I was sitting in. school getting detention after detention. and getting yelled at and being like, "Can I go to the bathroom?". And I was like, "Why do they get to do. that and I have to do this?" And then. like my You know, everyone around me was. like, "You know, when you when you get a. job, then you're really going to love. your desk." One of my friend's mom said. that to me. She goes, "You think you She. goes, "You think you hate your school. desk?" She goes, "Wait till you get your. real desk.". And I was like, "Oh, man.". And so yeah, riding on the on the on the.

boat at at at 4:00 a.m. with the. lightning is incredible. Showering in. the river. >> eyes. Yeah, man. I mean, with the wind. in your hair and the the feel I mean, you know the you know the magic of the. mountains and like the And the jungle. has its own vibe. You watch that mist. snarling up off the off the canopy and. it's like it's so wild that you just you. feel better. You feel healthier. And. again, you know, that whole thing of of. um What's that thing they say like a a. sacrament is an outward sign of an. inward grace? And it's like the the.

beauty of that, you know, you drink from. the river and then you sweat it out and. you watch your sweat be join the steam. and rain back down onto the jungle. You. are connected to your environment. And. every single day, you don't know what's. going to happen. You know, I I I opened There was one day. where I was like, "Okay, I'm going to. stay on the station. I'm not going to do anything. I've been. hammering myself in the swamps for for a. week." And I was like, "I'm just going. to like drink coffee and like do office. work on my computer." And so I was like. at the station. And my team comes. running and they're like, "Anaconda!".

And I was like, "Where?" I was actually. like annoyed. I was like, "Where How How. big of an Anaconda?" And they're like, "No, it's a pretty big Anaconda." So we. go down to the thing and then sure. enough there's this big ass Anaconda on. the on a log. Like 11 ft. You know, not. not a monster. But so then I started doing this thing. where I was like cuz they were all like, "Be careful." And I was like, "Of what?". And they're like, "It's It could bite. you." And I was like, "It's It's. asleep." I was like, "She's just trying. to get the sun." So then I started I. took out my phone and started doing this. thing. I was like, "People are scared of. snakes." And I was like I was like, "If. you're scared of snakes, I was like,

there's an 11-ft Anaconda." I was like. "Do I appear to be in danger yet?" And. then I kept getting closer and I was. like, "How about now? How about now?". And then I was like, "She's not waking. up.". So I get on the log with her. And the Anaconda still doesn't get up. And so then I I I I turned around. and her coil is here and her head's. like, you know, 10 ft over there. And I. just put my head on her. Now I'm laying. on the snake. And I'm still taking a. video and I'm going, "See, this snake. doesn't care that I'm here. And even if. she wakes up, you know what she's going.

to do? She's going to jump in the water. She's not going to bite me." And she. never woke up and I figured, "You know. what? Why bother her?". She never woke up when you rested your. head. >> up. She She She She moved her tongue, but she never She never freaked out. Well, they're the king. Yeah. Yeah, they. It sounds like they don't really have. any natural predators, right? Uh. >> When they're small. When they're small, >> Crocodiles, right? Uh the crocodiles, the herons, the piranha. >> Oh, right. >> The you Yeah, you forget that like. pelicans and herons can eat like a baby.

alligator. They'll just like throw it. back. Just just. take it down their throat. And the uh. Herons are crazy. Herons are they're. amazing hunters. Pelicans are. disgusting. The way they'll they'll take. like a whole bullfrog and just glot it. down. So you know that thing's like. alive in their chest. >> I've seen videos of them doing it to. pigeons or seagulls. Yes, the one where. he swallows the seagull. Whole. Uh. and the seagull's like getting smaller. as it goes down. Yeah. And the the You. realize like that crazy mouth that they.

have is just so that they can swallow. things alive. Yeah, it's just. >> this weird-looking funky thing. You're. like, "Oh, that's a monster." That's a. monster that just swallows things alive. Yeah, you don't think of birds as as as. savage as they are. >> laughing at, Jamie? Just pictures of. pelicans that are trying to eat [ __ ] on. the screen. I'm trying to eat a dog. Oh. >> Oh, come on. Oh, Marshall. Oh, wow. Trying to get a cat. He's trying to eat. a cat. >> Oh my god. Yeah, they they basically can. eat almost anything that's near their. size.

Good lord. That one just fly out. >> [laughter]. >> Wow, it's too late. Oh, man. Yeah, they're monsters. >> to eat another God, that's that's I call. [ __ ] on that one. There's no way. this pelican was trying to eat a bear. I believe that though. I've seen that. video. >> those things called again? >> capybaras. >> Capybaras, right. Those are. They've. Are Are those the things that have made. their way into Lou No, it's a different. animal that's made their way into like. Louisiana and they have to go out and.

shoot them? Javelinas. No, no, no, no, no. No, it's a type of large rodent. because David Tell used to have a TV. show called. Insomniac. And he went out at night one. time with them in Louisiana. And they're. hunting these things that they're. they're an invasive rodent, a giant. rodent. And it was like Dave would do his shows. and then after It was a Comedy Central. show. It was a really good show. And. then he'd find things to do in the town. cuz he can't sleep cuz he's up all. night. And so he went out with these. people that were.

God, I can't remember what the animal. was, but it's a a large invasive rodent. that exists in the south. Nutria. Nutria. That's right. Jeez. >> Yeah, and people eat them. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're rodent I mean, capybaras. >> that video cuz it's kind of crazy. Cuz uh Nutria. They're out there hunting. them with .22s. With .22s? Yeah, I mean, they have to. There there's they've they're a. completely invasive species and they're. huge. They're like a small dog. That's. something I let Yeah, I left off the.

list. We eat those all the time. Like. they We have something called a paca. It's like a small capybara with spots. Uh-huh. And those I mean, you know, it's. like squirrels, but they're big. They're. like, you know, cat-sized and fat. People eat them all the time. And those. are delicious. What's your favorite. thing to eat in the jungle? Piranha. Piranha? [ __ ] yeah. Really? >> Oh my god, they're delicious. And when. you fry a piranha, you slit you know, make the slits along it. You just fry. the whole thing. You just pull it right. off of its skeleton. And the the the. fins become like chips, like little.

salty chips. Oh. Oh, they're so good. >> put salt on it and. >> We just just just a little bit of salt. and then fry it up. And then better than. the piranha is the paco, the big. vegetarian. >> species. Yeah, those are invasives of. invasive species in America as well. Yeah. >> People catch them all the time. Bro, they're so good. Yeah, they catch them. and they're like 40 lbs. They're huge. >> Yeah, someone caught a world record. paco. >> Powerful. Really powerful. >> Paco Paco, p a c u, right? >> Yeah, yeah. Um I want to say in Georgia?

Georgia or Florida? Somewhere in there. And [ __ ] huge. Yeah. No, they're. powerful. We we we fish for them. You. have a You have like a 10-ft pole with a. rope on it. Yeah, there's a paco. >> Yeah, let me know if you. >> Yeah, look at this size of that thing, man. That's crazy. 50 lbs. World. record-size paco caught in Florida. There it is. 50 lbs. That's nuts. Dude, those are so they're so nutritious. When. you eat them, you feel like you're just. gaining muscle. >> Really? Yeah. Like you you still you. still eat a lot of elk. Oh, yeah. Like.

don't you feel like it's like a. superfood? >> Uh-huh. Yeah. This is how I feel. I live. on these things. >> I feel like I just You live on piranha? Yeah. Piranha and paco. Yeah. Wow. How. do you catch the paco? 10-ft pole. You have a piece of rope and you put. like a piece of like last night's. dinner. You just do like a piece of You. tie a bunch of rancid chicken. You leave. it out in the sun, make it smell bad. You go out at 6:00 in the morning. So they're not vegetarians? Well, they'll eat anything. They specialize on. the nuts. That's why they have the human. teeth. Oh. Those are the ones that have.

the human teeth. When you open their. mouth, they have like molars and then. like a few like front teeth. And so we go with this 10-ft pole and. nobody can make a sound on the boat. You're just floating with the river. You're like invisible. And you wait for. a feature in the river, like a like a. rock or a place where the water's. rushing. And you smack it against cuz. they like that that falling falling. fruit or falling seeds. >> Mm. And when they hit the I'm talking. about like a 4-in hook. When they hit. that hook, this is the thing cuz you're. doing this for You're doing it for an. hour and you're like, "All right, there's no there's no paco in here.". Well, guess what? When they do hit it,

they'll pull you right out of the boat. I mean, I've been dragged straight. across the boat where like you got to. use one hand to stop yourself and the. other hand's holding this pole. And then. your friend's got to pull you back. You. get this fish on the thing and it's. going boom boom boom boom boom boom boom. boom flying. >> You catching. >> they're big. >> them that big? Yeah, they're huge. And. And then you got to you got to have a. hammer. Cuz you got to you got to shut. them off somehow. >> Right. You got to crack them right on. you know, between the eyes. Cuz. otherwise, they'll just either jump out. of the boat or injure yourself. >> Well, there's the other thing. We were.

going upriver a few months ago. We're at night. We're all just quiet in. the boat and we're going to we're going. to go up to this tributary to explore. it. And And I had I had a group of. tourists with me. And this girl was. sitting on the front. And all of a. sudden, I feel something go past me. There's something And all of a sudden, I. got I got wet. And then all of a sudden, I hear ba bang ba bang ba bang ba bang. in the boat. I'm going, "What the [ __ ]. is going on?" Turn on my headlamp and. there's a paco in the boat. And the girl. that was sitting on the front, her head. is bleeding. One of those huge ass pacos jumped out. of the river in the night, hit this girl.

in the head, and then fell into the. boat. Whoa. And so we just grabbed Yeah, we just ate it. >> [laughter]. >> But I mean, that paco was in the middle. of the Amazon at night just jumping. around enjoying itself. And it just. jumped in the wrong boat. Wow. Wow. >> But you know, a 2-ft fish flying through. the air. >> And that's your favorite That's your. favorite thing to eat? >> Absolutely. That's What else is really. good to eat? >> [sighs]. >> There's these little cup mushrooms that. are really good. You fry them up with. garlic. You do that and paco. That's. That's Now you're talking good. Mm. My. friend Roy is a chef. He's He's really.

He's one of the Jungle And he's He. focuses on Amazonian cuisine. And so he. goes and he picks all the right flowers. and funguses. And he'll take paco and. then he'll he'll flavor it with a type. of orchid thing and like. thing and like all of a sudden, you have. this amazing food and like Lima they. have you know Peru's become this amazing. place for food Peru Peru is great food. Wow. >> the jungle version. Wow. >> not like nasty monkey soup it's Not. turtle. >> It's the it's the curated you know.

five-star version of of jungle cuisine. >> So that's number one. Paco's number one 100% I mean even right. now. >> I think I tried alligator once but it. didn't leave an leave an impression on. me. I I haven't really I also I feel. like they're my friends. I don't know. >> Really? >> Yeah. How so? >> Like. I like them. Just cuz they're cool? Well I mean I. work with them a lot I'm always catching. came and I always see them on the side. of the river. You know nobody's serving me if they. were serving me came in then it would be. just like the monkey where it's like all. right I got to eat it but nobody's.

serving me came in so I'm not going to. go. >> a staple of their diet. >> No in in the in the north and Iquitos. they eat a lot more came in so you don't. see came in. On our river there's still there's a. came in on every beach there's there's. jabiru storics there's capybara herons. there's just macaws everywhere it's just. there's just so much life it's Avatar. it's just just pulsing life. Wow. >> Did you find that video of David Attell? >> No. >> [clears throat]. >> it weirdly is like not online. I found a. picture of the episode but not a video.

of it. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> And they're just. shooting nutria. Yeah I think they eat. them too. >> find it. Yeah. He was actually on the episode just just. like that. >> this is a long time ago. This is back. when Dave was drinking. So this is like. Dave's been sober for. I want to say 15 years at least. Somewhere in that range yeah. >> And this is back when you know he would.

just drink at the comedy club and then. stay up all night smoke cigarettes drink. coffee. Never end. Yeah I mean he's the most. unhealthy and also the most hilarious. guy alive. You've stopped drinking right. or most. >> a little every now and then now. I I. went like eight months with no drinking. and uh I I started having like a glass. of wine with dinner. and a cocktail or two but I have not had. more than like two drinks in a night. Yeah feels good doesn't it? >> It was the it was a good break. The the. eight months I felt really good and I.

was convinced I was never going to drink. again and then I drank a glass of wine I. was like ooh I like this I miss this. >> But the one that that's the one thing. the wine is good. >> Yeah but wine with a steak ooh. so nice. Um yeah a little I think it was. important to just recognize that I. wasn't doing it and I wasn't an. alcoholic I was just. I have a club I'm there all the time and. you know you're out with friends you. want to drink yeah sure let's have a. drink. Yeah. Go to dinner have a drink. have another drink. It just got to a. point where I was like I was feeling. like and I I'm too healthy I work out.

all the time and I was like why am I. doing this to myself? >> Yeah. You know but now I realize you. know it's little moderation Little. moderation. but drinking is essentially. fun poison. Fun poison it's weird after. um Lex ruined drinking for me. Lex gets saucy. Well this the thing when. he came [laughter] when he came to the. am when he came to the Amazon he he goes. I want to do ayahuasca and so we called. you know JJ's oldest brother 70. something we called the shaman in and.

he's like you know with the Lex voice. he's like brother you have to do this. with me. And I was like I am not drinking. ayahuasca I there's a chapter in the. book about when I did it with the old. master and he he he over boiled it and. we all like saw God in the uni we were. there for the Big Bang it was awful it. was hard no it was not no no it was like. taking a mega dose. Sure. It was awful it was traumatic. >> like to get scared? I was terrified man. No so I was like I have retired I was.

like I'm not doing it and Lex was. walking around in circles for two hours. and he comes up to me and he puts his. hand on my shoulder and he goes I came. all the way here for you. He goes now. you do this for me he goes don't leave. me alone in the dark. And I went God I. said all right I'll do it. And we drank right next to each other. and the guy's smoking his pipe and you. know he's the feathers on and he's. singing to us and you're drinking and. you're going deeper and deeper into the. hole and God. um it was interesting though we both. um the shaman said.

that um you know he was talking about. what Lex was going afterwards he was. talking about what Lex was going through. on his journey and he he just goes in. and does this deep work of the things he. sees coming off of you. Uh-huh. And this. is a guy the shaman I've known for 20. years he's like my uncle. And and so he would come up to me. and he'd go I'd be laying down you can't. you can't get up and he'd come up to me. and he'd go one more cup? And I'd be. like. sure like. >> [laughter]. >> why not? And he'd like give me like a. like a kiss on the forehead and throw it.

down my throat. And then he'd go to Lex. and go one more cup and Lex would be. like yes. And then you know he'd give it to Lex. and he said that he said that he wasn't. worried about my spirit he said I was I. was there to protect Lex. He said Lex. was there to to to do some real work. And so what's interesting is that we. both reached this sort of um we we both. reached the pinnacle of of of what was. happening at the same time where I felt. myself about I felt it coming I was like. oh no I'm going to throw up I'm going to. throw up and all of a sudden my my.

consciousness lifted six feet above my. body and I was looking down at me and. Lex. and. I got this overwhelmingly calm sensation. and it without speaking the shaman said. to me he said you're not going to feel. this I know you don't like it. He said. you're just here to support him so you. can vomit now and so Lex started. vomiting and I started vomiting but I. was watching myself and I was watching. him and I was just like this is fine it. doesn't hurt a bit. And it was very very comforting and then. he came and he started with the you know.

shaking the leaves and singing louder. and and really cultivating making sure. we gave everything that we purged all of. it and then. and then he brought the crescendo down. and then he he he calmed and then he. began singing and then we we came we we. we settled back into the the the. symphonic throb of the night and then. the trip went on for some time but it. was it was interesting that things. heightened at that moment and that we. went through it why did he think that. you were there to protect Lex? It was. just like something he felt? >> said. That's what he said to me um. you know and then and then and then you.

know it was very interesting watching. Lex go through his journey because he he. by the end of it he just got happier and. happier. He just he he just liked it more and. more and around around I think cup six I. I tapped. After the after the vomiting. after that thing it was sort of again. there's there's energies floating around. and he's singing it's great you know. understanding a little bit of the. language cuz. you know he's singing to his grandfather. he's singing to the spirit of Santiago. and the spirit of the Anaconda and using. the old words for them.

Ooh. >> You know not even saying Anaconda he's. he's saying the other things amaru mayo. and you know he's saying shiwawaku and. he's talking about the so he's doing. this and shaking his thing and you hear. the frogs throbbing and it's all moving. through your skin. And so I yeah I I tapped out after a. while and Lex kept going he's got an. amazing constitution I think that's the. Russian thing. >> [laughter]. >> Um but since then I can't drink. Really? I can't drink I could have a cup. of wine maybe if I have more than that I. feel sick. Interesting.

>> damaged I have not been able to drink I. haven't had a beer since since two years. ago. So what do you think it is it just. like let you know what it's doing to. you? I have no idea it's just a weird. side effect I keep trying it. I'll let. I used to love whiskey I like I like. smell some whiskey and I'm like blah. Really? So if we cracked a bottle right. now you. >> Turned off. I have an idea. You you would it would make you sick? >> I mean I could take a sip of it but my. body would be like no red light red.

light no. >> Yeah well that's your body's correct. Yeah but it made me suit made me hyper. sensitive I noticed from that moment. onwards. >> Did it have the effect with Lex? No. I. don't think so. He's still boozed up. >> I don't think so. Lex goes hard. I'm. sure he does. >> to Andrew Schulz's wedding with Lex. and then we had a flow we flew with. Whitney Cummings was doing a gig in. Vegas and we said we'll go with you so. it was me and my wife and Whitney and. Lex we flew to Vegas. Yeah. And then we. hung out with David Goggins I called him. up and I was like come meet us at the. hotel. Does he party? No. No. No now him.

and Lex were doing push-ups they were. doing drunk. Lex was drunk and David wasn't and. >> Uh-huh. Lex wanted to have a push-up. competition. >> With Goggins. >> With Goggins that's amazing. >> [laughter]. >> I mean but that's why he's Lex right? Cuz. >> cuz he's cuz he's willing to try. everything. Yeah uh he's an animal. I. mean the fact that. push-up competition with David Goggins. that's great. >> He's just silly. That's hysterical. He's. quite a character that Lex. He told me. he's going to Dagestan to train.

He's going to go to Dagestan and train. with like Khabib's team. Yeah. Good lord dude. You're like 42 like what. how old is he? Lex got to be in his 40s. He's but early 40s I think he's still. very young. Yeah but like you're you're. going to go there and train with. How how old is Khabib? Uh well Khabib's. retired but he's. probably 35 if I had to guess. You know somewhere around there you. know. But it's a different thing. He's the.

let's talk now. Yeah let's talk now. >> [laughter]. >> Well he's training those guys now he's. training you know Islam Makhachev and. uh Umar Nurmagomedov his cousin he's. training some of the best guys alive. So he's running a camp down in Dagestan. Cuz he's kind of like so so did he it. seemed like at least I don't like I. wasn't really following his career but. it seemed like he came in like an. assassin. Uh-huh. Did some big stuff. Well his dad died. Okay. >> His dad died during COVID and um after.

his dad died he promised his mother that. he was going to stop fighting. Got it. Yeah his dad was his trainer you. know his dad. his dad uh was a. legendary trainer and trained Islam, trained Khabib. And uh, when he died, uh, Khabib made a promise to his mother. He. fought Justin Gaethje, beat him, defended his title, and that was it. Done. But I mean, he's he's very well regarded. now for his accomplishments in fighting,

right? >> the greatest of all time. Yeah. >> I mean, there's an argument of who the. greatest of all time is, it's very. subjective. Sure. >> But he's certainly in the conversation. Yeah. You know, is one of I don't think there. is a It maybe Jon Jones is the greatest. of all time just based on his. accomplishments and also undefeated, but. also the time that he's been I mean, John won a world title at 23 and is. still like up until he he relinquished.

his heavyweight title recently. Um, he's 36, 37 now. No one's beaten him. Crazy. I mean, no one's had a run like. that. No one's had a run like that. That's insane. How big is it? How big is. he? John's a heavyweight. Yeah. She's. uh, John I think is 6'3" or 6'4". You know, and now he's about 240-ish, but he used to fight at 205. That was. his main weight class. That's some crazy Yeah, and so, you. know, the conversation of who is the. greatest of all time. In my my book,

Mighty Mouse is in that conversation, too. Mighty Mouse? Mighty Mouse is Demetrious. Johnson. He was a flyweight. Uh, the. problem is he was a very small guy. And. so, a lot of people disregard the. smaller guys in that conversation, but. skill-wise, in terms of the expression. of mixed martial arts excellence, I put. Mighty Mouse in his prime right up there. with everybody. Do you think that Now, you your arms are. significantly bigger than mine, and I I. feel like.

like the guys who are good at striking. have smaller arms, right? >> giant arms. Giant arms, there you go. Yeah, it's that's not. >> feel like you're swinging around some. weight like. >> Well, you are, but you also have a lot. more power behind it. Yeah, yeah, so. when you do connect, that's true. >> it's it's conditioning, you know, like. the whole thing of swing It's like, did. you develop those arms just doing bicep. curls or did you develop those arms. doing functional things? Like constant. constant training that gives you muscle. endurance. You know, it all depends. But if you see. like a big bulky bodybuilder guy, yeah,

that's not good. >> No, but for like our level where we're. still athletic and stuff, I'm going, but. man, I don't want I don't I don't want. to put on more I want to get stronger, but I don't want to put on more. >> Yeah, I don't do really anything to try. to put weight on. I don't I don't lift. anything heavier than 70 lbs. >> dudes just want to just want to. >> Yeah, they just want to look big. Yeah, I don't do anything like that. I don't. Like I said, the heaviest thing I lift. is my body weight. You know, I do a lot. of body weight stuff. I do a lot of. chin-ups and dips, and sometimes I do it. with a vest, you know. And I do, you know, but with kettlebells, like the.

heavy Occasionally, I'll throw around a. 90-lb kettlebell, but the heaviest I. really train with is 70. Yeah. But that's plenty. But I don't Like I. said, I don't train for size. I just. train for function. >> Strength and function, yeah. Yeah, it. has to to me, it's silly. If I don't. have range of motion function, like what. am I doing? No, you you have to like try. to get. >> artist. Like my my whole thing is to. being able to use my body. It's not to. make it look like I can use it. I'd. rather be smaller and and. more functional than bigger and Yeah.

>> just look like a big goofy toad. Yeah, I. I I bulk too easily. I actually I. actually try to put on That's why I only. do. I mean, we yeah, we're Italian Irish. I. mean, come on, we're You get thick. Yeah, you get thick quick. Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> Long line of people. Long line of thick. people. Yeah. >> Uh-huh. Um, can I take a quick pee pee pee? Yeah, yeah, yeah, take a leak. We'll be right. back. Ladies and gentlemen, you've been. you've been murdering it. Like you've. been have just. tons and tons of people You just You do.

them every day? You do them. >> I just keep I mean, it's not any. different pace than before. It's usually. four a week. >> it's just a feeling like maybe it's cuz. I'm in the jungle for a few weeks and. then I'll like come back and and look. and I'm like, "Whoa." Yeah. And like. Johnny Knoxville, Matt Damon, and like. bang bang bang bang. The key is just. keep going. Yeah. You know, like you've. run a thousand miles, right? But you. didn't run a thousand miles in a day. You know, you run 10 a day and then days. go on and. >> though. You get to meet everybody. You meet a.

lot of people. Yeah. You definitely. develop a better understanding of human. beings. Cuz you know, you're limited by the. amount of human beings you interact. with. Your scope, your understanding of. people. The more you can talk to, the. more different people, the more you get. a different sense and. Yeah, well, you're in a very you're in a. very unique I mean, again, I always go. back to the bee lady. Remember that? The. the She relocates the bees. >> cool. Yeah. And then you have people. like Knoxville on and you guys are. talking I I I just heard you guys. talking about you like when he gets when. he got hit by the bull. I was always.

wondering if that was real. And then I. remember the first time I came in here. is asking you and Jamie I was going the. one question with the David Blaine thing. with cuz he had you shove that thing. through. I was like, "Come on.". >> shoved it through. Yeah, that was real. >> going, "Come on, they got it. That can't. be.". >> Nope, that was real. I mean, cuz I did it once and I hit a. nerve. And he had to restart it, right? >> he made me back out and shove it right. through. But it's not a trick, you know, it's just pain. Like I I could do that. If I wanted to do that, I could do that. I could shove a needle through my arm.

How bad do you want it? >> I don't want to do that. I don't even. understand why I would do that. >> And I feel like that's a little bit of. what Knoxville was saying where he was. like, "Look." He's like, "I got a. response." And he's like, "This [snorts]. is what I started doing." Yeah, you. know, and it's like. one way or the other, how you going to. get the attention? >> I mean, that's what brought him to the. dance is just getting hurt all the time. But when he told me he had been knocked. unconscious 16 times. >> [snorts]. >> Isn't that And then the last one That's. really bad. And then the last one was. the bull one that he landed on his head. and he was depressed for months and he. had to get on medication.

I am. very averse to head injuries, which is. kind of hypocritical because I'm a. combat sports commentator, you know, it's weird. >> And I've also been hit in the head a. bunch of times. But I just think it's. really [ __ ] bad for you overall. I. stopped sparring. when I was in my late 20s. Really. kickboxing sparring. Yeah. And then I. did it a little bit when I was supposed. to fight Wesley Snipes, so I went back. start sparring again. Did Did you fight. Wesley Snipes? >> No, Wesley Snipes was.

>> hysterical. >> It was in I was in my mid-30s and I was. like, "This is the last chance I get to. do something like this." Yeah. And then, um, I got contacted by uh, Campbell. Campbell McLaren, who was one of the. producers of the early UFC. He's like, "This is going to sound crazy.". But uh, Wesley He was in tax problems. He wound. up going to jail for tax evasion. Apparently, he had some crazy guy who. was telling him, you know, "You don't. have to pay taxes." You know, there's. there's those guys that are like What do. they call them? Sovereign citizens? Is. that what they call them?

There's a lot of people that give really. bad advice. And they got in with someone. like Wesley Snipes. >> Uh-huh. And, you know, they tell you. like they can't prosecute you you It's. not in the Constitution. And he believed. it because he didn't have access to. other people. >> talked to Wesley. I don't know. I don't. have anything against him. >> You sure he just wasn't scared of. fighting you, so he made up this whole. story? No, I think Wesley also might. have been. embarking on a journey of cocaine. Oh. [laughter]. Which gives you a very distorted idea of. what you can and can't do. Everything.

>> Yeah, you think you can do everything. I. don't know if that's the case. I think. it might have been just Well, he is a. very legitimate martial artist. I mean, Wesley, if you look at his like skills. like from the movie Blade and like he's. a really good martial artist. He knows. how to fight. >> Yeah, you kind of have to be to do those. movies, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, but my thought was just. I'm going to grab him and choke the life. out of him. Like, how's he going to stop. me? Like, also, I know how to stand up. Like, I was a. >> awesome. I was a kickboxer. >> That would have been awesome. If you. could if you could fight one person dead.

or alive, full fight. I don't want to do. that. I wouldn't eat No, the problem. with it it really. >> like theoretically, not you as Joe Rogan. the dad and like just Joe Rogan No, it. would not be a one person. What it would. be is start fighting again. It would be. fight whoever. It was the whole thing. would be competing. But see, you have to. I'm 58. That's never going to happen. again now. >> saying like but like Wesley Snipes, it's. like, you know, you say like, "Oh, I I'd. want to fight." Well, I just thought it. would be an adventure. Yeah. And I I. trained for like 6 months. I was. training with Rob Kaman, who was a.

called legendary kickboxing Dutch. kickboxing champion. So, he was my. kickboxing coach. And so, I was training. with him in the mornings and I was. training jiu-jitsu at night. It was. hard. It was really hard. I was doing it. for 6 months. I was training twice a day. for 6 months. Yeah. It was really brutal and I was so tired. I was tired all the time. And that's. where you got those leg kicks that you. were teaching Georges St-Pierre. Nah, I. I learned how to do that when I was a. kid. Now, my question is now, he's such. a legendary MMA guy. Like he was. Did Did he not have Well, I was a.

taekwondo specialist, you know, and I. was. uh, multiple time state champion in. taekwondo and I won a bunch of national. tournaments. I and I I was really good. I was really good at taekwondo. Like I. fought. at a very high level. And I have uh, a. lot of uh, really good instruction that I got from. I I got very lucky. And and I stumbled. upon a school in Boston called the Jae. Hun Kim Taekwondo Institute. Just.

randomly walked in the door one day and. it turned out to be one of the best. taekwondo schools in the world. And so, I had trained with some of the. very best people in the world just by. fortune. And I was physically gifted. I. was very lucky in a lot of ways. I had a. lot of natural power. And. I learned technique and, you know, which. is the most important thing like perfect. technique. And so, uh, when It was funny. It was cuz of It came. about because of John Danaher. I had a.

conversation with John Danaher, who's. Georges jiu-jitsu coach, who's. maybe the greatest martial arts coach in. the world. maybe of all time. Really, legitimately, like a brilliant man. He. was a philosophy major from Columbia who. got I think he was a professor for a. bit, but then he got obsessed with. Jiu-Jitsu. And was just teaching Jiu-Jitsu and. training Jiu-Jitsu and sleeping on the. mats and like literally. >> Literally. literally teaching all day, training all day, and sleeping on the. mats. So, but but a brilliant man. And.

we were having dinner one night and he's. like "George needs some help with the. finer points of the spinning back kick. Do you know anyone who can help him?". And I said. "This is going to sound crazy." Yeah. I. go, "But I have like the best spinning. back kick you're ever going to see in. your [ __ ] life." I go, "I know it. sounds crazy cuz I'm a comedian." I go. "Find a bag, I could show you." Yeah. "I. could show you what I could do." And. then I brought There's a video of me. >> Oh, I saw it. >> Okay, it was me I I The sound is.

imprinted in my mind. >> George This is when we're at Legends. Legends MMA uh in. LA, which is where I trained. It was. where. Eddie Bravo had 10th Planet Jiu-Jitsu. And. you know, I go, "Okay, let's go. downstairs to the Muay Thai part and. I'll show you." And then I I kicked the. bag and he's like, "Man, what the [ __ ]. [laughter]. Can I film this?" And I get He's filming. with a flip phone, which is crazy. Like. that's how long ago this was. This is. I don't know, probably 2005 or something. like that. I had hair.

And uh. and it was. uh it was funny. Cuz it was like this. thing. It's like cuz I don't do it. It. was Even back then, it wasn't like I was. training in kickboxing. I wasn't. training in Taekwondo. It was just I. just still had it in me. Yeah. Um. Do you still Do you still You keep it? >> today. You did it today? >> Yeah. Nice. Yeah. That was That was an. impressive video and you just go, "Jesus, he's he's If he's showing this. to to George St-Pierre, how good is he. at this thing?" It's like, you know I. used to be really good.

>> Yeah, I believe you. I realized when I. was like 21 Well, I realized when I was. 19 that I was going to have to stop. because I I fought in California. I was. living in Boston at the time. I was. traveling all over the country and. fighting. And I fought in the Nationals in. California against this guy who was the. Illinois state champion and I knocked. him out really bad. It was really bad. I. hit him with a wheel kick in the head. and my heel was sore for days. afterwards. Like I had a hard time.

walking. from his [ __ ] head. >> Yeah. And he never got up. He he went. down face first, was snoring, and back. then my thing was. if I knocked anybody out, I would just. act like it was no big deal. I would. just turn around and walk away. No. celebration. I would just walk away like. that That's I'm going to do that to all. you guys. >> Yeah. And so I walked away and then I. turned to my friend Chunk Sik who was uh. my corner guy. I said, "Is he getting. up?" He goes, "Like he's not getting up. He's not going to get up. He's out." And. and then they took him and they put him.

in a. They they took him and they put him in a. stretcher. And then they were taking. care of him and for like a half hour, he. was still unconscious. Yeah. And then. they took him to the hospital. I have no. idea what happened to him, but I. realized it was so bad. It was cuz he. came forward. So, what happened was he. did Do you know what a switch kick is? No. A switch kick is you're standing. with your left leg forward and you. switch legs and you come like with the. left kick. So, you think he's.

repositioning and then. >> He's moving forward, but he telegraphed. it. And it's his left leg. So, I saw. that his left leg was coming this way, so I spun with my right heel and I hit. him in the head as he was running. forward. So, it's like multiple The force itself. of a wheel kick is so powerful and then. when you're running into a wheel kick, it's crazy. >> cars driving at each other. >> It's like. getting hit with a baseball bat that. [ __ ]. you know, Mark McGuire swinging. It's.

crazy how much power there is in it cuz. it's your legs. Your legs carry you. around all day and the torque of your. whole body you're whipping around and. and you're [snorts] hitting with the. heel and you you know, there's no. padding on your heel and it's not right. I hit him right on the [ __ ] cheek, like right on the side of his head. He went out. And then I came back to my. instructor and I and he wasn't there at. the tournament. I went back to Boston. He's like. He goes. "I heard you had a really good. knockout." And I said, "Yeah." I said I.

was. it was scary. I go, "I thought he was. dead." He goes. "Sometimes they die." And then he walked. away from me. I was like, "Fuck, man. Sometimes they. die." I'm like, "That's me." I'm like, "I'm And I had no health insurance. I. was 19. I was broke. I was training for. the I wanted to be on the Olympic team.". And I was two years from there. And I I lost a lot of my steam at that. moment cuz I was like, "What am I doing? I'm fighting for free. I don't have any. money. I have no insurance.

And I'm doing this thing and I'm I knew. back then I was getting some brain. damage for sure.". >> Yeah. Um and then I. Then I started kickboxing like right. after that and then I really kind of. lost my feeling for Taekwondo because I. realized it was so limited. You know, that like when I was sparring. with kickboxers, I was really like how. my hands are so limited. So, then I. started working with this guy. Joe Lake who was a boxing coach and. that's when I was doing a lot of boxing. and a lot of a lot of kickboxing. And I.

was like, "Man, I'm getting my brains. beat in and I don't know why I'm doing. this." And I'm like, "There's no. professional It wasn't like the UFC. existed at the time." I got offered a. kickboxing fight for 500 bucks and I was. like, "500 bucks? So, for 500 bucks I. lose my amateur status. I can never. fight in the Olympics and there's no. money in it as a professional." I'm. like, "What is my future? Am I going to. be one of the" And then I'm knew guys in. the gym that I used to train with like. when I was 19 and then by the time I was.

like 21, I was seeing brain damage in. these guys. I was seeing. them slurring their words, forgetting. what they were saying, repeating. themselves. The weird thing is they. they'll tell you a story. and then they'll tell you the same story. like two minutes later. And you're like, "You just [ __ ] told me that story.". Like they don't remember. They don't. remember anything. And and now but now. now George St-Pierre is a good example. of someone I feel like he made it out of. fighting before Like he looks very. healthy. >> He's fine. >> He looks like he's fine. >> He's fine, but he's, you know, he's a. very intelligent guy. He does also does.

a lot of things to keep his mind very. active. He plays chess, you know, and. he's very. like proactive about it. >> like even like I was just seeing him on. social media where he's like, "Hey guys, this is how I do." Like he's just like a. very Seems like a very positive, fun, you know, does not seem. >> case scenario for both Another guy in. the argument for the all-time great. Yeah. Uh for an all-time great MMA. champion who has a successful and happy. life outside of it. Didn't end up with the Nope. the shakes.

>> Nope. No, he's fine. I mean, I've hung out. with him a bunch I've hung out with him. recently. Yeah. He was great. We he came. to the comedy club. He's actually. playing my friend James McCann. They. were playing chess in the green room at. the Comedy Mothership. It was so cool. We're filming it. The last time I came, I think he had been in there the night. before and I was like, "Ah, I would have. I would have been That would have been a. trip to meet him.". >> He's amazing. He's But he's such a. sweetheart of a guy. You would never. imagine that he's this [ __ ] killer. inside the octagon. He's such a sweet guy. And But it's just. like for him. it was just this incredible challenge.

and he was really good at it and he just. figured out a way to express himself. that way and. you know, he's a legend. Like I don't. imagine that he was like big on like the. trash talk before fights and everything, right? He was probably just like, "Look, we're just going to" No, there was no. trash talk. He was very respectful. unless someone was disrespectful to him. And and you know, and even then. he wasn't trash talking. >> No, he always seemed like he was cool. Yeah, he was just doing his thing. No, he was a one of the best representatives. of the sport of all time, if not the.

best. >> that. >> Like never got into trouble outside the. octagon. >> Yeah. Never, you know, was never drunk. driving or beating people up and, you. know, just a. great guy. And if I would have to tell. people who he is. Like he would He's. like, "Who's your friend?" I was like, "What do you think he does?" Yeah. "What. do you think my friend does?" And. they're like, "I don't know. He seems. cool." I was like, Uh he's about 5. 9, 5 10 maybe. And now he probably. weighs 180 lb, 185 lb maybe. Fought at.

170. You know, he's not like a scary-looking. person. I'm like, "That's one of the. greatest fighters that's ever walked the. face of the earth.". And they're like, "No way." I'm like, "Yeah." And he's like, "Hey, how you. doing, man? What's going on?" Like he. doesn't seem rough. No. Yeah, he's a sweetheart. >> No, he's not trying to intimidate like. you know, Khabib looks like he's, you. know He's really smart. I mean, he's. really He's always like watching. documentaries and reading books. He's. fascinated by ancient history and. dinosaurs and really into aliens.

>> Um no, it's just it's crazy, man. You. you you've. you've gotten to this You've. you've met everyone. Did you ever have. Jane Goodall on here? No, I did not, unfortunately. I wanted to make that. happen. I wanted to make that happen. I wanted to talk to her about Bigfoot. cuz she was convinced that Bigfoot was. real. What? Yeah, yeah, yeah. She was. convinced that Bigfoot was real. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She did this interview where. she said she's certain of it. Yeah, yeah. We'll find it. Jamie, see if you. can find that.

Not that I don't believe you, but I just. don't find Jane Goodall. I know, I know, I know. I was stunned. I was like, "What?" And this is by the time I had. been convinced that Bigfoot was fake. Yeah, I'm in that camp. But this is the camp. Um. There was an animal that [snorts] that. coexisted with human beings, for sure, that was called Gigantopithecus. You know the whole story. So, Gigantopithecus. they found bones in an apothecary shop. in China in the 19.

20s or 30s. And an anthropologist found. these molars and said, "Where did you. get this? These are primate molars and. they're [ __ ] enormous. Like whatever. this thing was was absolutely huge." So, they went to the site where they got it. They found mandible bones that indicated. it was bipedal. So, it was an upright walking chimp. walking primate that was 8 to 10 ft. tall. Like what the [ __ ] is this? And. so, I'm sure you've seen the images of. what a Gigantopithecus looked like in.

comparison to a human being. It's in the. orangutan family. And. so, that thing existed and also existed. in Asia, right? So, you look at the. Bering Strait and you look at the Bering. Land Bridge that we know existed during. the Ice Age. And so, we know that humans. migrated from Siberia into North. America. We know that for a fact. You. know, one of the reasons we know that. for a fact? Cuz Mormons were convinced. that Native Americans were part of the.

lost tribe of Israel. Yeah. So, some rich Mormon guy did DNA. test on Native Americans and find out. found out that they emanated from. Siberia. And so, it was incorrect. So, we know that humans came down from. there. Why wouldn't other animals? Sure. We know they did. We know short-faced. bear, bunch of different animals that. they find their bones in Alaska and they. know that they probably made their way. down through North America. It just.

stands It just makes logical sense that. if you have a variety of different. megafauna that probably one of those. primates or a bunch of those primates. lived in the Pacific Northwest, which is. the area where they would be, right? And. then you have incredibly dense forest, right? Yeah. So, Jane Goodall won't rule. out the existence of But no, no, no. Find the video where she says, "I'm. convinced I'm convinced.". >> Yeah, cuz she was talking. I didn't see. her say that. >> Oh, no, no, I've I've heard her say it.

I'm not saying she No, I'm not saying. Okay, just find it. Cuz it exists. [laughter] It doesn't exist. I can't I. can't listen to the videos. >> No, no, no. Go Go to video. I Dude, she. would have been awesome. You should I. I'm so sad. >> Jane Goodall on how Bigfoot might be. real. That's it right there. Put the Put. the headphones on. Listen to this. It's. a 4-minute video. >> Headphones. Here we go. I climbed into the hills. >> Oh, there's Jane. This was where I was [music] meant to. be.

I wanted to talk to you about something. that someone says fictional, but you. would say hold up. We We don't know for. certain and that's Bigfoot. You. You Everybody talks to me about I I. would I'm romantic. I would like Bigfoot. to exist. I've met people who swear. they've seen Bigfoot. And I think the. interesting thing is every single. continent there is an equivalent of. Bigfoot [music] or Sasquatch. There's. the Yeti, there's the Yowie in. Australia, there's the Chinese wildman.

and [music] and on and on and on. And. you know, I've had stories from people. who. you have to believe [music] them. So, there's something. I don't know what. it is. I've always open-minded. What about other mythological creatures? >> Pause Pause for a second. So, they're. they're saying that to her. He's saying. that to her and she said that in. reaction to a previous interview that. she did. In the previous interview that. she did, she said, "I'm convinced.

that it exists." I don't know. Well, you. know, you got to realize this is a lady. that lived with primates in an. inaccessible area where there's very few. human beings and she had these. interactions with them. I I don't agree. with her, but I think that it existed at. one point in time. One of the other. reasons why I think it exists is that. different Native American tribes um put. this into perplexity. How many different. Native American terms were there for a.

hairy wildman or Bigfoot? And I believe. there's more than 80. That's wild. >> Now, they don't have a lot of. mythological creatures in Native. American culture, right? And so, in in different tribes, right? But they do have a name for this. hairy wild giant man that lives in the. woods. A wookie. Yeah. They also have The other thing. that's really fascinating is giants. There is a lot of. ancient cultures have stories about.

giants. And Native American tribes have. ancient stories of giant red-haired men. Which, you know, God They're in the It's. in the Bible. It's in a bunch of Okay, 40 to 50 separate terms across different. languages and regions. Hairy wild giant. man. No single agreed-upon count, but dozens. of distinct Native American names for. hairy wild giant man makes easily over. 40 to 50 separate terms across different.

languages and regions. Interesting. I still I would love to see. the clip eventually of Jane Goodall. saying, "I believe in Bigfoot." Cuz if. she's saying that, she's like, "I'm open. to the idea of it.". >> She's saying that and as The reason why. he's asking that is because he had. Exactly. Cuz he had seen the previous. interview. See if you can find another. interview with her talking about. Bigfoot. Yeah, she was she was awesome. You know, she she she's the reason. I have a career. Really? Her being. awesome. I was. two stories I tell people about. I go.

First of all, cuz everyone goes, "What's Joe Rogan like?". And I No, it's true cuz everyone wants. to know. And you're controversial. And. so, I always go, "He's the nicest. [ __ ] guy in the world." Like I. said, the first time I came to you, you. sent me a message and you said something. about like, "Hey, don't worry about a. thing. Like I'm even going to bring my. dog." Like you. It was very nice. It was a little pat on. the back. Cuz you go Okay. Jane Goodall. I went to a talk when I was like 22, something. And I was just writing. chapters of my first book, Mother of. God, which didn't even have a name yet. And I had chapters in a Manila envelope.

and I went to a talk that Goodall was. giving. And I mean, I'd been read. stories and seen the black and white. pictures. This is like, you know, like. Einstein, Abe Lincoln, Jane Goodall. So, I had living historical figure. And so, now she's talking in front of me. and I had brought these chapters and I. wanted to ask her cuz I'd already sent. the chapters to publishers and they'd. all been like, "Kid, none of this is. true. You know, no way did you jump on a. giant anaconda. No way did you raise an. anteater." They just didn't believe me. And then I I when it was my turn after.

hundreds of people, I get to her and you. know, she goes, "Hello." She goes and. she takes a little picture with you. And. I said, "Would you read these chapters?". I said, "I I I I would love it cuz I I. loved your stories as a kid." She goes, "Thank you." And she puts it to the. side. 48 hours later, her staff gets in touch. and they go, "Jane actually read what. you gave her, loved it, and said, 'Finish the book, get a publisher, and I. will write you an endorsement.'" Woah. >> She waved her magical wand in my. direction. and gave me a career. That's so cool.

And what's really great is that earlier. this year I emailed her. and it was because this book was coming. out and I I you know, I said it would be. amazing to have I mean, I said at this. point no one's you know, the. conservation. the voice of Mother Earth. Um and she just you know, she was just. she just said, you know, just keep. protecting the Amazon. That's that's. your mission. She was always very It was. like, you know, Luke, believe in. yourself. It was like, you know, she. [laughter] was just like, "You Your job. is to protect this forest." And it was.

incredible. That's amazing. >> yeah, right right me you know, about 6. months ago I got to tell her. I was. like, "Look." Cuz the last time I'd. spoken to her, we were protecting. I think it was like 100,000 acres and. then in the last year we added 30,000. acres to the reserve. And so, I said, you know, we're we're making strides. forward. And she was just It was good. that I got to tell her that. And then. and then. uh you know, recently we found out that. that she died, but what a legacy. >> What a legacy. >> What a legacy. >> Yeah, incredible. We know so much about.

primate behavior because of that woman. We know so much about I mean, man the toolmaker. Before her, we said. it was humans that used tools. And now we know that, you know, capuchin. monkeys use rocks. We know that otters. use rocks. I mean, I've seen elephants. use a stick to scratch. Seen I've seen. I've seen camera trap footage of an. elephant using a a tree to knock over an. electrical fence. Like animals use. tools. She was the first one. I mean, she went out there when she was what, 20-something years old in middle of.

Africa, blonde girl. Crazy. And then. spent the whole rest of her life. But the lesson that I take away from. that is that even as famous as she was. that she was traveling 300 days a year. I mean, she'd been you know, an icon for decades and that she still. took the time. to actually read something that some kid. handed to her. To That's un unfathomable grace Yeah. >> that. And then literally, if that didn't.

happen, I never would have published. Mother of God. I never would have. started Jungle Keepers. I never would. have been protecting the rainforest. She. She She empowered that. She did that. with her magic. It was I think that. that's incredible. >> That's so cool. Absolutely incredible. Did you find any other? No. I guarantee it exists. Yeah. But it's. okay. [snorts]. You have to trust me. Um. I don't think she's correct, but I do. think not Bigfoot, but I do think that.

it's entirely possible that there is a. small hairy primate-like. human-like primate that exists still. That's like the the Hobbit people from. the island of Flores. Yeah. You know, there's. there's the thing called the Orang. Pendek. Have you heard of that? >> No. The Orang Pendek uh. I think. uh Indonesia, perhaps Vietnam. There's a. bunch of places that have this creature. that gets cited on multiple occasions.

and they used to think of it as like. just silly legend. But now because of. the discovery which was. Was it in the '90s that they discovered. the Hobbit people on the island of. Flores? You know about that, right? I've. heard of them, yeah. >> Yeah, Homo floresiensis, yes. >> are real real. We have their bones. >> Very real, very real. It was a very. small. like Hobbit-like creature that was a. type of primate that was bipedal.

that was like a little tiny hairy human. being that lived at least on the island. of Flores but most likely lived in many. other places as well and um. there's there's a possibility that it. still exists and it's not me saying. this. It's like some actual. anthropologists that believe that this. thing might still be alive because. you're dealing with incredibly small. populations. >> those I mean, are those islands so small.

that no like unlike the Amazon that's. gigantic They're incredibly. dense, incredibly dense forest and. they're just down in the bushes. Right, it's like the Tasmanian tiger. >> I was just going to say that like the. thylacine where it's like they're just. they're just hitting Exactly, exactly. Small population like there's a lot of. sightings of the thylacine. You know? Yeah, but somehow all these. sightings it's never on a it's never. clear. No, no. Well, it's also there's no one there. Yeah. >> Here's the thing. I mean, let's pretend.

that you saw a wolverine in the. Montana woods like dense Montana woods. and it's 100 yards away. You see it. briefly for a second, get your phone. You're not going to You might have seen. it. You might have seen it traveling. between the trees but like how are you. going to get it off your phone? You're. going to have to unless you have a. Samsung where you have a really good. zoom, you're not going to be able to. zoom in enough. >> Yeah. You know, like you have to have. There's only a few phones that are. Yeah, you're not going to get good. footage but we know that wolverines are. real but finding a wolverine in the.

woods I've talked to. God, I've talked to hundreds of men who. spend a giant portion of their life in. the woods and only a few have seen. wolverines. I would love to see a Or how. about mountain lions? They're. everywhere. I've only seen three of them. in my entire life. That's wild. >> But I've probably been around 100 of. them and not known it. You know? That's. what that's the reaction we got with the. the tribes was that if you look at. uncontacted tribe I mean, my whole life. you look at photos of uncontacted tribes.

it was like. blurry, crappy cuz who was out there? It. was a logger. Right. >> Right? Or it was somebody running. Right. And even when I saw them the. first time when I was out on a solo it. was 10 days deep in the jungle. I saw. them and I ran for my life and everyone. went you didn't see him. I mean, I'm a. I'm I don't mind that. If I have picture. it didn't happen. Right? Um and so with. this when we started. when we started actually showing people. what we had it was like this has never. been It's like it's like a vision into.

the. into the Stone Age. >> Right, I mean the I mean. >> like really not even the Stone Age. Like. they don't even use. stone tools. They use sharpened sticks. >> I showed it to an anthropologist and he. was saying, you know, Stone Age. isn't necessarily accurate here. He said. because they're not using stone. They. don't have clay pots. He goes, this is. something this is but I mean. it then think about it. It's actually. like a time machine because you're. you're you're and we were standing. across the river look talking to these. people and it's like you guys are.

a couple thousand years back and so it's. like this is such a strange aperture. into history. >> a couple. Maybe like 30, 40. Maybe. I. feel like I feel like they I I feel like. somehow to me the number seems like two. But it's like, you know, we were we were. we were like little tribes. >> 2,000 years ago the Egyptian pyramids. were already 2,500 years old at least. >> That's true. But I mean, again. civilization isn't homogeneous, right? Like different different you know, so. >> obviously there's uncontacted tribes.

still right now. >> Still. Yes. That's what's crazy. It's. like a man with a cell phone. Yeah. >> from the future Yeah. filmed people that. lived in the past. >> felt like that. It felt like this was. like a Back to the Future moment where. it's like, you know, this is they have. no idea and and my people thinking of. everyone else back home I was like don't. realize. that these people are still out there in. the jungle living like this. And. probably in the dense dense dense forest. there's probably many more of them.

There are many more of them. In fact, well we Yeah, well we were watching them. out front there was a terrifying moment. where the. we heard something behind us and it was. which we never saw them but the women. came lightfoot in behind and they pulled. up all the yucca and the bananas and. they were raiding and so for a second we. were like there's an ambush and everyone. was like turning the shotguns away from. the river and they were like we thought. there was going to be arrows flying so. like. my guy Ignacio grabs me and like put me. down and we were hiding behind trees. waiting for it and it was like no no no, they're just stealing all of the fruit.

and all of the crops and they just. raided our our our whole village. Wow. But I really I really did feel like, you. know, like you you go imagine what it. would be like to go back and see the. Comanches. watch them riding across the plains. after the buffalo and it's like we. can't. But in this case. they were right there. Right. Right. And. now and now now. that these videos are going out across. the world it's like look, we're trying. to explain to people. you know, first of all there's a lot of. those you know, you know exactly what. kind of people are like leave them alone.

and it's like literally we're the people. trying to make sure that they get left. alone. Like that's our job. >> got to ignore those folks. You you. especially you you're not the type of. person that's interfering with their. life at all. No and they can't giving. them the bananas you're help you're. literally helping them. Well, and again. I was a witness. That was happening. between the tribes and the tribes. Right. Right. >> And so and so but but you know, for all. the all the indigenous cultures that. have been destroyed in in the last few. centuries. we can we can do it right for once. Mhm.

We can actually respect these people. If. they want to come out, they can come. out. If they want to adapt, they can. But they need to have forest to live in. in order to make that decision. Right. And so that's where it's like. >> they make an informed decision? How can. they. How can they adapt? I mean, Well, I. think it would be very slow. The gap is. so crazy. I think it would be slow. I. think it would be a few more banana. exchanges maybe without the the the. arrow shot afterwards and then maybe it. starts to be like okay, you guys can. come here maybe maybe maybe the the.

communities teach them how to grow. bananas. Right. But they want a few. things. Right. You know, maybe they want. a couple of machetes cuz it'll just. help. Uh-huh. You know, and they want to. keep to themselves maybe. But I mean, other than them the the thought of the. most uncontacted people is North. Sentinel Island. Yeah. And North. Sentinel Island that the interesting. part of that is one of the reasons why. they're so distrustful people is because. they had been contacted in the 1800s. Yeah, by a [ __ ] pervert. There was a. guy named Commander Maurice Vidal.

Portman who was a like a. explorer/pervert. And the reason why I say that is like. >> title. This guy had like weird journal. logs where he was like this one has. testicles the size of a sparrow's egg. Like he would dress them up like Roman. soldiers and take pictures of them. They. kidnapped a few of them and then they. gave a bunch of people the flu and a. bunch of people died. And so they had this immense distrust. for people because of this guy and his.

explorations onto that island. That. island and other islands like it. So. they have they don't have a written. language, right? These people there's no. evidence they have fire. So there's this. story of these because you know, it's. incredibly wet environment. >> Yeah. So they they have these stories. that they probably have these oral. traditions of these white people that. come and [ __ ] up everything. So when. someone shows up on a boat like there's. been a few instances where people were. killed. The kid was just killed yeah. A. few years back but not just him. There.

there was a boat that sank there. So it. washed ashore and sank and they were. headed to go kill those people when they. were rescued. And now we've spotted them. we people have spotted them with metal. and they believe the metal they got was. salvaged from the boat. Yeah, they were. mining. >> of metal and yeah, so this this is the. boat that. that shipwrecked. in 1981 a cargo ship named the Primrose. ran aground on the coral reef.

surrounding North Sentinel. The crew. radioed for assistance and settled for a. long wait but in the morning they saw 50. men with bows on the beach building. makeshift boats to swim out to them and. [ __ ] them up. Yeah, I mean, they have a. severe distrust obviously. You know, people. So I was on the Andaman Islands. which is right next to these. >> That guy respectable lawyer on Twitter. he's the one I got the information from. He documented the whole story of If you. scroll all the way up he'll talk about. that guy Maurice Vidal Por See look at.

look at he dressed That's the guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that [ __ ] creep. Look. at him. He looks like a pervert. So he's. hanging out with these guys. >> he was a pervert. Look at him. Look at. him. Look at how he's dressed. >> didn't want Wonderful testicles. >> Yeah. So that's the dude. Yeah. He's from the English Royal Navy. Yeah. Portman, Maurice Vidal Portman. Yeah. Dude, those guys look built. Look at. these guys [ __ ] thrown. >> Those guys be doing some sit-ups. >> Well, they're out there hustling, you. know. Um I went to the Andaman Islands.

which is right out there. >> That's where the he originally landed. Yeah. And if you want to feel like you. fell off the face of the earth, you go. to the Andaman Islands. First of all, beautiful. You can only I think if you still like. this, you can only get there from the. Indian city of Chennai or Calcutta cuz. it's an Indian territory. They don't. they limit who can travel there. And there's I mean. there's they've brought elephants there. cuz they didn't used to have bulldozers. and stuff. So, the British brought. elephants by boat and there's these old. archival footage photos of them lifting.

off of like pirate ships, lifting. elephants on the rigging and then. putting them in the island now the. Andaman Islands have elephants. Woah. >> And there's still people riding around. on the elephants, you know, like moving. trees off the road and doing things. >> That's crazy. >> you go from one place to the other. place, exactly what you said, because. they don't want human safaris, because. they want to protect these indigenous. people, you have to go with a police escort to. cross the island because you have to go. through and I mean the police watch you. like a hawk and I you know, I take a.

picture of everything. I take 300. pictures a day on my phone. And uh Look at that. That's. >> if you can see the elephants being. lifted off of ships. It's. There's a bunch of pictures here that. are crazy. >> They're pulling logs. >> but this is this isn't you know, elephants moving logs happens all the. time, but there's literally a picture of. the elephants up on the riggings. Wow. >> And uh. but man, you drive through areas where. there's just these tiny little. people with bows and arrows and they're. still out there. Um I I I got to go swimming with an. elephant there. Yeah.

>> Wow. >> to That's so dope. Look at that elephant. swimming. How cool is that? >> Yeah. Wow. That's [ __ ] awesome. >> There you go. Look at that. That's them. >> lifting the elephants. >> "What the [ __ ] am I doing in the air?". >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, look at that. That's that's. >> them? No, he's not blindfolded. He's. just painted. >> it's like they probably should have. But. back then. >> maybe the elephant would freak out. That. would be like a. >> Elephants but it takes so much for an. elephant to freak out and [ __ ] kill. people. Wow. >> There's a horrible video of this guy is.

abusing an elephant. Like he's a trainer. and he's like keeps whacking the. elephant and then the elephant goes, "That's enough.". >> Yeah. >> and just stomps him into a pancake. >> Yeah. Or that or that that video I sent. you with the tiger that doing to the. tiger. Which one? The where the tiger. mauls the guy and you're like, "That's. terrible. He kills him." And then the. second shot is they show the guy and. he's still alive, but he's got slashes. down to his skull. >> Like. just. just don't. Just I mean, these animals. are. you just don't push them. Yeah.

>> Especially not an elephant. >> Well, human beings just want to [ __ ]. with everything. That's part of why. we're on every [ __ ] square inch of. the earth practically. We want to [ __ ]. with everything. You know, it's we're. the weirdest animal ever cuz we're on. every [ __ ] continent. We're. everywhere. There's not another animal like us. No. >> No. And. you know, all of us came from Africa, which is even nuttier, right? So, we. emanated from Africa and just spread out. all over the world as soon as we figured. out how to float. As soon as we figured out how to hike.

and how to wear warm clothes, we just. kept moving. And now are we going to. figure out how to not destroy the. systems that keep us alive? Right. And. now we're talking about doing the same. thing on other planets. We're talking about it, but way before. we start worrying about other planets, I. want to make sure that this planet. works. I mean, I'm just I'm so every. every I'm just I'm it drives me crazy. how quickly everyone's going. I just in in the in the when I come back. to society, so quickly we're like it's. on people's minds. They're talking about.

this stuff and I'm going, "Guys, the. ocean is filled with trash. Like the. Amazon is burning." I'm like, "Can we. just fix this?" And there's areas where. we have. I mean, you know this like they. brought wolves back to Yellowstone. Like. New York's waters are getting cleaner. The humpbacks are coming back. But but. everyone's so I mean, but we haven't. actually like when we get to Mars, talk about it all day. But it's like until then Right. I just. feel like we we are so overwhelmed with. serious problems here and the last. chance in history to fix those problems. And so, there's an amazing opportunity.

And I feel like people are so like this. this modern nothingness that people feel. where it's like, "Oh, it's the end of. times." And it's like, "Dude, this is. the most exciting time." You can fly. everywhere. You got information at your. fingertips. There's more people than. ever before working to make good in the. world, to help people, to save animals, to restore ecosystems. And it's like so I I get confused when I. come back from what I what I feel is. like battle and I'm on this mission for. 20 years to do this one thing and people. are like, "I'm just scrambled and.

delirious." And I'm like, "Go outside.". >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, get off your phone. >> Put your phone down. Go to the. mountains. That John Muir thing I'm you. know, I to the mountains the mountains. are calling and I must go. Like go go. Close your phone. Go touch grass for a. while. Actually, that was one of the. favorite I forget what I I posted a. video of me with this huge anaconda. around me and I'm holding her head as a. 20-ft anaconda. One of the comments was. this guy who was like, "Dude, you've. touched enough grass. Go back inside.". [laughter]. Go watch Netflix. Yeah, he's like, "That's enough.".

You're the opposite. You've gone too. far. You've gone too far. You've touched. too much grass. >> What is fascinating to me when people. were trying to save things and by saving. things they don't realize that they're. actually [ __ ] things up far worse. than they're saving them. Well, there was a a good example. Uh I. think it's the Mojave Desert where they. just now California in all their. infinite wisdom decided to build this. immense solar uh farm out in the desert. I saved it. I'll send it to you, James.

It is so crazy. So, they decided to. build this immense solar farm. It turns. out this solar farm because it's got. mirrors that like point towards the. solar panels, so it's incinerating. 6,000. birds a year. Incinerating. 6,000. birds a [ __ ] year, which is like what. does that even mean? Like how how is. that even So, it's a death ray. A. [ __ ] death ray.

God, I know I saved it. Where did I save. it? Oh, you got it? I mean, I don't know. which article you have. Uh it's okay. Pull up any any of the articles. But I. mean, the when you look at it, it's it. heats up to a thousand [ __ ] degrees. The Mojave Desert. Yeah, they just shut. it down. So, it's concentrated sunlight. solar power towers use mirrors to focus. sunlight into receiver creating. extremely high temperature. The problem. is they're [ __ ] killing birds like a. [ __ ] Just like those.

ugly windmill farms. Those things are a. blight on the face of the earth. When. you drive to South Texas, Yeah. a buddy. of mine has a ranch down there. Solar. Look at that. Mojave Desert solar plant. kills 6,000 birds a year. >> I think that dude. >> That's in 2016. They just recently shut. it down. They've spent billions on this. [ __ ] thing and it's not generating. nearly the amount of solar power that. they were hoping. It turns birds into [ __ ] fireballs. like instantly. [laughter]. Um but when you drive down to South.

Texas, they have these That's what it. looks like. Isn't that crazy? Look at that. Isn't that nuts? Yeah, we. got to stop spreading out. >> We're so stupid. >> to stop spreading out. >> who said that's a good idea? And. counterintuitively, nuclear power is. like the best for the environment. >> Yeah. Which is people think, "No, Three. Mile Island. No." They got to just call. it what they just called something else. If you just if you just rebrand it, >> Well, you just have to realize that the. old new like the Fukushima plants that. they they [ __ ] the whole area up. forever. Those are old. That's a plant.

that I think went live in the 1970s. Like you the new technology, you can. have solar power and it's or excuse me, nuclear power and it's clean. But I. think people are scared of the word. nuclear. I'm saying if you came out and. you called it like a something something. plant, they'd go, >> to get over it. We got to get over that. that hump, you know. But. >> that's uh. it's just. human beings but this is constant. battle, right? There's a battle of good. and evil. >> Yes, there is. And there's also a battle.

of ignorance and and information. And it goes back and forth and the only. way to educate people is sometimes you. have these brave people that are. responding to this in intense amount of. ignorance and they they have to go out. there and say, "No, that's not it. It's. this." And there this is huge societal. narrative, this huge cultural narrative. that they have to fight against. Which. is almost impossible to undo. I mean, Right. when you when there's something. that everybody has wrong. Right. Or you. realize that there's something that I. mean, the amount cuz then you got to you.

got to you got to get the message to. everybody. Right. >> How do you do that? Right. >> Then you got to make them care about it. >> Right. And I mean, it's just it's it's. wild to. >> us. That's the battle. There's always. this like I think you need those things. in order for us to push progress. You. need something to fight against. Like. think about where you would be if you. didn't have this thing to push against. Like there's it's not that the thing is. good, but it is bad, but it creates good. people that push against it. And this is. the constant battle of the human spirit.

We're always engaged in this this battle. to right wrongs and to figure things out. and to make things better that are bad. And then to realize that oh, we're. making it way worse. Someone has to come. along and and course correct. >> Yeah. And then, you know, it's usually a. few brave people that are pushing back. against this tidal wave of negativity. and ignorance. The the tidal wave of. negativity is wild. The the the grief is. is just it's like they're it's like a. poison peddled by the darkness. It's. like they want you sad and disoriented.

and I just feel like so many people now. when I come back they're they're they're. downtrodden by the just just the buzz of. the news and everything. And I'm like, "Listen, like choose something that you. care about and work on it.". >> Yeah. You know, or just pick that one. thing. >> you want to see in the world. >> good you want to see in the world. And. it's like I'm I'm in this unique. position because I'm contacted now all. day long by people that want to help us. protect the rainforest. Like people who. are want to use that blueprint to do it.

somewhere else. Mhm. And we're on the. cusp of doing this. I mean, so I'm so. surrounded by I get I get a lot of. positive people with innovations, people. with ideas, people. I mean, even, you know, everyone says, "Oh, why can't the billionaires?" And. it's like we get people who have money. and they come in and they're like, "I'll. help you get that piece of land. Mhm. That'll be protected." and so I get I. get reinforced all the time people go. the world's going to [ __ ] and I'm like. the world's amazing. People are helping. Yeah. You know, and. it's like it I have seen so much good. done. It really is all what you're. focusing on. If you're focusing on that.

that that's the very thing unique thing. about today is that you're inundated. with so much information and we. generally tend to gravitate towards the. things that are terrifying and the. things that. are dangerous that scare us and so. you're paying attention to the news of. literally 8 billion people. Which is not. natural. It's not normal. >> to know about our village and maybe the. next village. >> Right. And so like that's one thing I. you know, I had a friend you know, did. you hear about the flood that happened.

in Bangladesh? I was like what do you. you know? My sympathy but like there's there's. always a flood happen. The world is. gigantic. There's 8 billion people. Right. And so like There's only so much. you can pay attention to. so much you. can pay attention to. >> But if you have a phone. all the bad stuff is coming into your. pocket. All day. >> Yeah, and I think a lot of the it's. funny cuz a lot of the people like the. adults are are people are worried about. the kids. I think the adults are worse. Yeah. A lot of them. Yeah, and a lot of. them they're searching for meaning and.

so they find meaning in activism or in. pseudo activism and yelling about things. online and then maybe going out into the. street and screaming at people and. they think that that gives meaning to. their life. You know, there's a lot of. people that just feel like really lost. And. this. strange concrete culture concrete and. electronic culture that we've created it. doesn't give you the fulfillment that.

the natural world does. I mean I'm sure. it's one of the. draws that you have to the jungle is. that living out there in nature. is wildly fulfilling cuz it's normal. It's like it it fills in all the slots. that you have evolved to have like as a. human being we have always lived in. coordination with nature up until fairly. recently. You know, if human beings have.

been alive in this form for half a. million years how long have we been in. cities and how long have we been in even. agriculture a few thousand years? >> Temperature controlled rooms with with a. little noise box constantly stressing us. out. >> and EMF signals. I was just reading this. [ __ ] crazy thing. Have you paid. attention to this Jamie about the 49ers? About uh San Francisco? Yeah, yeah. Isn't that [ __ ] nuts? It could be. yeah, yeah, go ahead. They think it's real. That so there's a. disproportion amount of severe.

catastrophic injuries that come out of. San Francisco and their training. facility is right outside this power. station. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean way more Achilles. tendon blows out blown blown out way. more knees blown out way more like. catastrophic ligament and tendon. ruptures. Like and they've been talking about it. since like. when the the player start talking about. it in like 2012 I believe and people are. like oh, that's nonsense and now the.

stats are in and you're looking at the. amount of injuries that come from this. area. It's like it's not normal. >> No. And so you think what if they're. getting weakened by the water by the. electricity. >> Electricity. Yeah, by the EMF signal. Are you It's I mean it's like EMF. signals we know disrupt human beings. Yeah. But to what extent? Like to what. extent does LED lights and to what. extent? Let's is it minimal? Do you feel. it? Is it not? Is it Is it Does it have. a long-term effect? Does it take forever. until it actually compounds? But they.

they're looking at the data from this. one training facility. So you can find. something on it. >> I'm looking at Cuz there's a lot of a. lot of stories have come out this week. about it where people are starting to. gather up all the data and they're like. hey, this is not normal. Like this is a. like a much higher percentage of severe. injuries from this one camp which. doesn't make any sense. Well, it's like. that Erin Brockovich thing where it's. like you find a place where a lot of. people are getting the same kind of. cancer and it's like there's a reason. So um what does it say here at the top. of the article? What's the the article.

say? >> about it. It's about the whole thing. It. explains. >> So is it true? What is this from? How. long ago is this? Uh. 2 weeks yes 2 days ago. Okay. Uh the injury conspiracy theory and is. it true? So. um. what what is this This is USA Today. which is like. You know. >> skipped ahead to the. The so-called mechanisms have not been. established. Many of the experiments are. contradictory. Many of the experiments. of exposures to either don't relate. specifically to 50-60 hertz magnetic.

fields. Um it's a topic that will likely. resurface or any major injuries during. the Super Bowl at Levi's Stadium. February 8th in Santa Clara. Is Santa. Clara near there? That's where they play. the game. That's where they play the. game. But is that the training facility? The the idea is that it's near the. training facility. Right and I don't. that's again that's this is So that's. where the electrical substation is and. there's the field. I mean caught this. [ __ ] Woah. That's that can't be good. >> radiating onto them. That can't be good. But I don't think.

>> don't think it's going to affect the. game. You know what I'm saying? I think. it's like being there all the time. practicing there all the time is what's. going to weaken their bodies. >> Without checking I don't know I don't. unless that's where they practice I. don't see a large practice facility. >> multi-use field training. >> practice on those fields generally. practice inside. >> the fields. I mean they must practice. there. It could be it could just be a. park. That's why I got to look up where. they practice. >> Right right right right. The LA Rams. don't practice next to SoFi Um stadium. you know. I can't imagine it's good for. you. I mean there's also okay, we'll.

find this out. Is there any truth to um. power lines and people living under. power lines having increased rates of. cancer? Cuz I've heard that that's true. Yeah, I mean in environmental college. that was there's numerous. giant class action lawsuits for people. that were living under high tension. power lines. And I mean I actually I knew someone who. I mean I've been to the places where I. did for my senior project I was doing. where we went to the areas where they. were fracking. Remember that remember.

that documentary where they were. lighting the water on fire? >> yeah, yeah. Gas land. Yeah. Great. documentary. Yes, yeah. And those people. were screaming. They're trying to get. the attention to say this is not good. and of course the companies come in and. they go we'll give you $2 million if we. allow us drill on your land. And these. are people that could need the money. >> Right. And then a few years later. all of their kids have cancer. Pull that. back up again, please. So we put it into our sponsor. Perplexity. There's some limited. evidence a small increase in childhood. leukemia risk. Very close high voltage power lines but.

overall the link is weak not clearly. causal and typically residential. exposures are considered within safety. guidelines. See the thing is it's like. who is. one of the things about Perplexity or. any large language model is you've got. to get the information from online and. who's publishing this information. So. it's like. there's only so much of it. that's available but possibly. carcinogenic. is a a weak category. So parcel So it.

says International Agency for Research. in Cancer classifies extremely low. frequency magnetic fields like those. from power lines as possibly. carcinogenic to humans. mainly because of the childhood leukemia. data. [ __ ] that, dude. >> That's wild. Yeah, just [ __ ]. that. I would never buy a house that's. near them. What are you looking for? I'm. just I just realized that what that is. It's a molar. Yep. Yeah, this is from my. buddy John Reese from Alaska. >> That's that guy. Yeah. Yeah, that's.

incredible. >> no, this one is from Colossal. >> So that's a that's the. >> that's. bringing the woolly mammoth back. >> Yeah, yeah, yeah, those guys. Um this. piece is from my buddy John Reese. That's a more a molar. >> That's cool. >> Yeah, that's a a tooth that they caught. They many of them they have that they. can turn into. >> starting to make it into art. Yeah. Well, I have a pool cue that has woolly. mammoth ivory in it. Dude, look at that. Look at that texture. >> and that that. you something 10,000 years ago used that. to mash down vegetables.

>> Wow, that that is a gorgeous piece of. bone. >> the boneyard, right? That place. >> you for the first time you told me all. about it. >> Incredible place. Shout out to my boy. John Reese. Yeah, that that I I would. love to go there. Oh, you should, dude. >> love to. That's just so fascinating. >> Yeah, the Colossal guys have been up. there. A lot quite a few people have. been up there to explore. I I think. either Grant or no Randall Did Randall. Crosson go up there? I think he's either. gone there or is going there. Yeah, you. got to make the intro for me. I would. love I would. love to go see that guy. >> I'll I'll set that up. He's always.

trying to get me to go out there, too. I. just don't have the time. But what a. phenomenal place. By the way, he's found. a new site. He's found a new site up. there that has more bones. Yeah, I mean it's he's you're talking. about an area that's only about 4 to 6. acres that he's been exploring and he's. got other. >> right? It's like Massive deposits. thousands of animals including animals. that weren't even supposed to be there. Yeah. That's so cool. Crazy and a thick. layer of carbon that indicates that. [ __ ] place was on fire. Mm. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean that when you find fossils. in the wild there's nothing like finding. fossils. Remember the first time I found. like a little shell and then like I said. we not that long ago we found like a. 7-ft turtle shell thick thick thick. [clears throat] like black fossilized. Mm. in the river basin in the Amazon. The river was especially low and it was. just you know, it was half out like a. crashed alien spaceship like it was just. this huge thing and it was like you get. this sense you get that that tactile. visceral sense of like woah.

These used to be here. You know what. they found in China recently? What did. they find? >> They found dinosaur eggs that the inside. of them is all crystals now. Oh. It's crystallized. through the. >> crystallized baby velociraptor? >> No, it's just basically all crystal. Just crystals. Like a geode. Like a. yeah. But it's a dinosaur egg. It's just over millions and millions of. years. >> making art out of that right now. I. don't know what they're doing with it. I. think it's fairly recent that this. discovery, at least the article that I.

read was fairly recent about it, but. it's just crazy [ __ ] man. >> Oh, so much cool [ __ ] in the world. So here it is. Yeah. 70 million-year-old. dinosaur egg contains surprising a. sparkling crystal surprise. Isn't that nuts? It's turned into crystals. >> egg? Grapefruit-sized dinosaur egg from. a fossil bed in China gave. paleontologists huge surprise. Rather. than a dinosaur embryo or sediment, it. was filled with sparkling crystals of. calcite lining the inner shell, a.

natural dinosaur geode. A rare. occurrence provides researchers with. unique information on the structure of. the shell. In this case, a. never-before-seen. Oospecies oos o- double o species. species of egg named Oh boy, good luck. pronouncing that. Uh identified in 2022 paper led by. paleontologist Qinghe of Anhui. University in China. Not only that, it it's among the first.

dinosaur eggs or evidence of any. dinosaurs for that matter found in the. roughly 70-million-year-old. Upper Cretaceous Qixiang Formation of. the Qixiang Basin. Wow. That's insane. [ __ ] A, man. Dinosaur eggs that are filled with Look. at that. Crystals. Beautiful. I mean, it looks like a. geode, but it's a dinosaur egg. Nuts. That's insane. Nuts. That's wild. Yeah, the world's a wild place, my.

brother. >> a really really wild place. You know. more than anybody. Well, that's what. I've been I've been trying to see as. much of it as I can and save as much of. it as I can. It's been It's been. >> Well, I'm glad you're out there, and I'm. glad you're still alive, cuz you freak. me out every now and then when you send. me messages. I'm all worried about your. safety and I'm I need someone to train. me to use a gun. I'm like, "Oh, Jesus. Christ. Oh, we're dealing with the narco. people. Oh, Jesus Christ." Well, we're. closer than we've ever have been. Thank you for how much you've been able. to help us get that message out. This. this this book is 20 years of the.

wildest [ __ ] It's the story of how Jane. and how we I went how I met JJ, how we. found the anacondas, all the all the. everything that led to this. I mean, how. how I mean, you talked about it when you. started out. I mean, just being a kid. and you have a dream. And I mean, I went to the Amazon. I just. wanted to see the Amazon. That was that. was the dream. I never in a million years imagined that. I'd get to go on these adventures, see these animals, and then now that. we're on the cusp of protecting an. entire river. I mean,

the wildest dreams that that me as a kid. had. couldn't even touch this. And so it's. it's it's it's a fun book to be sharing. with people. >> my brother. And the book is Jungle. Keeper, What It Takes to Change the. World, Paul Rosolie. Available now. Yeah. Thank you. Thank. you're in there. Dude, thank you. Always. great to see you. It's the best. >> again. Thank you, brother. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody. >> [music].