Joe Rogan Experience #2439 - Johnny Knoxville

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Yeah. Yeah. J [music] said, "Fuck you. all bad." He choked to sleep. [snorts]. [laughter]. I would pay for the. >> How [clears throat] did you meet Judo. Gene Leel? >> I met him first on Men in Black 2. >> Ah. >> He was a stunt man. >> Oh, stunt. And uh people would the stunt.

people would line up outside his trailer. so they uh so he would choke them out. and he would give you that little he. would give you a patch afterwards. You've been choked out by judo gene. label. >> Oh god. He had all those cartoonish. patches. He like gave you a bunch of. those. He's a character, man. >> He uh one guy I saw one uh the stunt man. right before Jean choked him out. He. goes, "One second this Irish dude." And. he turned around and he slapped Jean in.

the face. And Jean's like, "Okay." And. then [laughter]. what? After Jean choked him, they were. standing up. Jean just dropped him. >> straight to the ground for slapping him. [laughter]. >> You can get hurt like that. >> Yeah. Well, that's what you get for. slapping Jean Leel. >> Don't slap him. Give him a kiss. Kiss. him in the cheek before he chokes you. out. Don't slap him. [laughter]. Do. >> you ever He had one of the very first. ever mixed martial arts fights. >> Oh yeah. That was that he fought. >> Milo Savage. >> Yes. And didn't Milo Savage grease.

himself up beforehand? >> Oh yeah. But also Jean was wearing a. ghee which kind of negates most of the. the grease. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you're wearing this like very. frictiony ghee so he grabbed him. >> And where was I guess the rumor was Milo. Savage's gloves were loaded. >> Uh I don't know. I would do that though. if I was Milo Savage. >> Oh yeah. I would [laughter] have some. kind of weapon against Sheen Lavel. >> Well, most people that have never. grappled a guy like that. They You don't.

have any idea how helpless you actually. are until that you think I'll be able to. push him away from me. [laughter]. I'll be able to push him away, get some. punches off. You really don't know until. that guy grabs you. And it's like being. grabbed by an orangutang. >> Yeah. Cuz his mom ran the Grand Olympic. auditorium, right? And he grew up. training with all the disciplines of. fighters that came through there. Well, he definitely knew pretty much. everything. He knew a lot, but you know, obviously he's a judo specialist, but. he's the guy who taught Bruce Lee about. the importance of grappling. >> Yeah, cuz he worked with him on the.

Green Hornet. >> Yeah, he wor I think he worked with him. on that. Um, but when he locked up with. Bruce Lee, like Bruce Lee was like, "Oh, okay. I'm helpless." Like apparently the. story was that Gan picked him up and. carried him around over his shoulder and. then Bruce Lee was like, "Okay, [ __ ]. this." cuz like Jean was a light I think. he's a light heavyweight judo champion. so I mean he's probably at least 190. pounds and you know Bruce Lee was a. pretty small guy. >> Yeah and Jean just grabbed him.

>> His face just looked like a catcher's. mitt. It was just [laughter]. just looking at that guy's face. >> Yeah, he was a classic. >> And always check out a guy's ears before. you talk [ __ ] with them. If they have. that uh you know. >> cauliflower. >> cauliflower ear just buy him a drink or. give him a hug. >> Steo have that? Didn't he get it from. like didn't he have Jon Jones [ __ ] his. ears up? >> He tried to get it. I don't know if it. happened. We you know we tried to do I. tried to do that to uh the director Jeff. Tmaine on Jackass number two. Every time.

someone would walk past him they would. grab his ear and twist and we were just. hoping it would cauliflower up by the. end of the film but it didn't. Um you. got to earn that. >> Yeah. There's a lot of guys who fake it. though. I know a lot of jiu-jitsu guys. who fake it. They have guys [ __ ] their. ears up on purpose. >> because they want to look cool. >> It's kind of weak. >> Yeah, that's You got to earn it. >> Yeah. It's It's like Robert Dairo in. that movie where he wouldn't take. Viagra. Remember a hot should be earned.

[laughter]. It should be had legitimately or not at. all. >> The oldfashioned way with eye contact. There was some Wasn't that some weird. movie where he was going he was a mob. boss, but he was going to a shrink and. he couldn't get it up. >> Oh, remember that movie? >> Yeah. Was it Billy Crystal was the the. shrink? >> I don't remember the name of it, but. yeah, I know what you're talking about. >> Dude, you've had a wild ride in in life. You know what I mean? You've you've done. a lot of crazy [ __ ] not just like with. Jackass, but became a movie star and you.

like what has this been like for you? Um. sometimes it feels like you're living. someone else's life, you know, >> imposttor syndrome. >> Yeah, a little. And um I'm I'm extremely. grateful, especially for a guy with my. limited education. I get the joke what I. would be doing if I didn't fall into. what I'm doing. So, uh. yeah, it's pretty surreal. I just keep. trying to move forward.

>> How did you guys get started with. Jackass? How did how did all that come. to bear? Um, well, I the short answer is my then girlfriend. got pregnant and I had a daughter on the. way and I was I moved to LA to act but I. wasn't doing anything, man. I was. drinking a lot and. um and then I'm like, "Oh [ __ ] I have. to support a daughter. I need to do. something quick." So I I was living next.

door to Antoine Fuqua in this duplex, the director. Oh wow. And he set me up. with a casting director who got me a. commercial agent. my friend John Linson. uh set me up with writing articles for. this magazine and because he knew I. wanted to write and one of the articles. turned into me testing self-defense. equipment on myself [laughter] and a lot. of different magazines wanted the. article but they didn't want anything to.

do with it because I was going to shoot. myself in the chest with a bulletproof. vest as the last thing like stun gun. taser gun pepper spray. And Jeff Tmaine, who now directs. Jackass, he was the editor of Big. Brother magazine, a skateboarding. magazine owned by Larry Flint. And he. goes, "You can write it for us and I'll. help you buy a couple of the things.". And the stun gun and the taser gun. And. I took the money my mom gave me for. Christmas and bought the cheapest. bulletproof vest they had for [snorts]. the last thing. And.

>> you don't want to skimp on a bulletproof. vest. >> That's all That's all I could afford. It. was either no stun gun or taser gun. Um, so anyway, Jeff says, "Hey, why don't. you film that article that you're. writing? We'll put it in our skateboard. video." And it kind of snowballed from. there. >> Oh, so that was the genesis of it. >> Yeah. >> Wow. Isn't it weird how like desperation. or like the recognition that like, oh, you have responsibilities, like you got. to get going just lights a fire under. your ass. You become like a totally.

different person. It was like I deal. with a certain amount of overcoming. fear or whatever when doing the stunts, but there was never any fear like you. have a daughter on the way and you have. to figure out how to support her. >> Yeah. >> I was I had to do something quick and. that was my best guess. >> Yeah. It's the mother of invention, man. >> Yeah. that that necessity, that. understanding, like being a dad and.

having to take care of people, it just. changes everything. >> Yeah. Like what am I doing? I you know. what I'm doing? I'm doing [ __ ]. nothing and I need to do something. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> yeah. It's uh it's a primal feeling, right? >> Yeah. It changed everything. But what. but when you're doing this like first of. all what round what caliber of revolver. did you get shot with? >> Well the vest was the cheapest one so it.

could take a 38 and I got a 38. I. borrowed it from my neighbor's wife. Jesus [laughter] Christ. There wasn't a lot of pre-production on. this joke. How far away were you when. you got shot? like well my my buddy was. supposed to shoot me. >> but we just we drove out the 14 and cuz. we didn't have a location. >> and I'm like pull off here and then we. pull off this exit and I'm like okay. make a right and we end up on the fire. road. So.

we get out there and my friend's like I. I'm not going to shoot you man. I can't. do it. I'm like, [laughter]. so I'm like, "All right, well, give me. the gun.". And. [laughter]. I'm I'm I got the gun to my chest and. [clears throat] a car pulls up behind me. and it's a bunch of tweakers. They're. driving down the fire road. They're. like, "Hey, how do we get to the. freeway?" And I got the gun behind my. back. I'm like, "Hey, you just go down. here, make a right, then a left." Uh,

and they drove away. And so I went back. to shooting myself. >> [laughter]. >> It was sketchy. It looked like a snuff. film. The the because my friends are my. the photographer on it saw his buddy die. cuz he jumped off a hotel trying to hit. a swimming pool and. >> Oh, >> didn't hit that swimming pool. And so he. was really scared, right? He was like, "Stop. Don't do this. Don't do this. Stop." I wasn't getting a lot of. positive reinforcement, Joe. >> Yeah, it doesn't seem like it. And I had.

a bunch of uh cuz since it was Flint. magazine, I had a bunch of uh hustlers. under the bulletproof vest to help. absorb the impact. [laughter] And at one. point they all fall out and I bend over. to pick them up and I'm pointing the gun. right at my friends as I pick them up. I. don't realize this, but it was sketchy. >> And that was the first. >> Yeah, we put that in the Big Brother. video. You ever done anything like. selfharming? Any dangerous type. activities before you started jackass?

Before you started doing all this kind. of [ __ ]. >> No. No. I didn't even know what self I. mean [laughter] you can you can argue me. my drinking didn't help my liver but uh. >> but it's like you guys like what you did. was kind of [ __ ] crazy. But when you [clears throat] I guess if. you stop the I don't know like it just. becomes something you're doing. It was. all. normal to me and I I I can't speak for.

them. It's just that's what we're doing. today. >> And so that was the first one. And then. h how how many times have you done a. stunt where you're like this I could. die? a few. >> like you've done like the bull one when. you're blindfolded. I I watched I was. like don't do that. I was watching I was. like this is crazy. Yeah, that was Yeah, that was Anytime you're working with a. bull, I think that uh they hate you and.

Well, really, they hate movement and. they want to make you stop moving. forever. [snorts] And um but I've had, you know, like in the Jackass number two. when the rocket exploded, those were. foot long metal rods and there was 12 of. them. One blew out right next to my. ribs, which would have been picture wrap. on me, and one flew back 300 yards and. split two of our uh art guys right. between them. That would have It was.

We've had some really close ones. I. tried to do the Buster Katon thing in. number two where the facade falls. >> Uhhuh. >> and it falls right the window falls over. my head. That was the plan. And the. guy's like, "Okay, when it's because it. was the it was the close, right, of the. movie.". And the guy's like, "This is a 20 foot. steel wall. Like, you hit your mark, do. not move.".

I'm like, "Got it." They said, "Action.". And then, so I take two steps and. they're like, "Ah, no, no, cut, cut." So. I just like, "Oh, okay. I'm going to. walk over here." And they had already. released the wall. Yeah. And if you. watch the footage, it crushes me to the. ground, but my head just makes it. through the window. Otherwise, that. would have been I would have been done. >> Oh jeez, dude.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god, >> that was a close one. >> God. >> Yeah. That. >> How heavy was that [ __ ] thing? I. don't. It was 20 foot steel wall. It was. It was incredibly. >> How bad did you get [ __ ] up from that? >> I Nothing. >> nothing. >> I'm like I It was It was uh uh like I. was very lucky. I'm also hyper limber. So I just I kind of.

accordion when on impact. >> Just dumb luck. >> Dumb story of my life. [laughter]. How many it's all how many all told how. many stunts have you done like that? >> Oh, I haven't. Oh, that almost almost. >> Yeah. >> Kaput. [sighs]. I I I don't know. Like there's. at least. six or seven like close calls and then.

in any number of stunts they can go. wrong, you know? I don't know. I don't. really I just look forward. >> Was there ever a time when you're doing. this going what the [ __ ] have I got. myself into [laughter]. >> like because you have to keep up. oneupping yourself? Right. >> Um well that was a problem for me after. we did the first movie. Uh, I didn't. want to do a second movie because I.

didn't know how to top the first one, which now looks very tame compared to. the others. And finally, uh, Tmaine said, "You don't we don't have to. top it. We just have to be funny." And. I'm like, "Okay.". That made me free. that I it took away. all my anxiety. and I thought, okay, if that's the case.

and a couple months later, he he told me. he was lying and we did have to top it. But it by that time I was already off. and running. >> Jesus, dude. >> Yeah, >> your show would really give me anxiety. It gives the guys an they they they get. really anxious because I know 98.5%. of what's happening on the set like Jeff. and I each we keep a little from each.

other. So if we want to smoke one. another so but the guys don't have any. idea what's happening. [laughter]. So by the second week, you can just. literally go up and put your finger on. someone's shoulder and they're like, "Jesus, [laughter] they're so so. nervous." And I and I I don't blame. them. >> And like when you film one of those. movies, like how long is a shoot? Like. how how many months do you film for? >> Well, that depends on jackass number.

two. usually about we go two weeks on, two. weeks off over. four, five months, but I think jackass. number two. it was eight or nine months and finally. they had to have an intervention with me. to stop shooting. [laughter]. They hey like come down to the office. tomorrow. We're going to finalize the. edit or or do something in the edit. I'm. like, "All right." And I get there and. it's Spike, Jeff, a few of the cast and.

uh. and they're like, "We're not here to. talk about the edit." I'm like, "Okay.". Like, "We have to stop shooting. We're. like so far over." And then it was also. about I was going to do the ski jump, you know, the Olympic ski jump, and. it was uh. they're like, "You, we have too much. footage. You can't let's just not you've. already put yourself on the line so.

much. You can't.". done. And then it became like, well, I'm not I didn't I I decided not. to because I felt like this big. intervention they had it was like. doomed. The stunt was doomed in my mind. then that something negative was going. to happen. So I ended up not doing the. the ski jump, but I did negotiate two. more weeks of shooting out of them. >> How far were you supposed to jump?

until I went kaboom. I don't know. It. was going to be the Olympic ski jump. >> Like when they fly? >> Yeah. >> Do you know how to ski? >> Not at all. [laughter]. >> I don't want to be good at the stunt. Nobody wants to see that. >> Well, I mean, you'd have to train for. years to be good at it, but I mean, I. was just. >> I had about 20 minutes. >> Oh. So, that didn't happen. But, um, uh, I don't even know how we got on.

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I kind of went offline for a while. And. um. >> What was that? >> In at the end in Jackass Forever, I. dressed up as a magician and I got. obsessed with the idea of pranking an. animal. Uh, I just wanted uh the thought of. seeing the animals reaction. after the prank. And that kind of uh. morphed into me dressing as a magician. in a bowl ring doing the uh pouring the.

milk in the hat trick to get the bull's. reaction. And apparently the the bull. didn't think much of my trick cuz it uh. it well first of all usually when you're. working with the bull in a ring. there's a lot of soft dirt around you. know and I got there that morning and it. was. it was just dirt but no so it was like.

concrete and I thought to myself well. that's a problem and. But we're there. We need I'm shooting. So anyway, long story short, the ball. the bull hits me and I you usually when. a bull hits you, well always they drop. their head, right? So I always try to. jump a split second before it hits me. So I get above the bull as opposed to. bel below the bull, which is never any. fun. So but I mist time my jump. I.

jumped too early. So, I jumped and then. I start coming back down and then the. bull hits me and it flips me like I do. like a one and a half flip and the only. thing that stops me is the back of the. head, my back of my head hitting the uh. concrete ground [groaning]. >> and I got a concussion with the brain. hemorrhage, a broken rib and a broken. wrist out of the deal. >> and that was it. And yeah, it was it was.

so. >> And this is after you let Butterbean KO. you, too. >> Lucky punch. [laughter]. >> That [ __ ] dude hit so hard. I watched. that. I was like, don't let that happen. >> Don't do that. >> He like everyone's like, "Boy, that. knockout punch must have hurt." I'm. like, "I didn't even feel it." Like the. punches before really hurt, but the. knockout punch you don't you you've been. knocked out before. You don't feel it.

Um, that one was a pretty bad. concussion, too. Um, I had vertigo for. six to eight weeks after that. >> Just driving around a curve. Everything. starts spinning. [sighs]. >> Did you go to a hospital, get checked. out? >> Well, I went to see my doctor, Dr. Kipper, and he uh he had to sew up my. head because I fell back onto the hard. ground of the swap meet. And I I I think. I hit my head on the corner of a display. counter as well. I I don't know.

[ __ ] dude. >> Should have went to college. [laughter]. Do Do you ever feel any responsibility. for how many people you inspire to do. similar things? Um. well I hope to just entertain them and. not inspire them but um I can't I don't. have any control over that as except for. when I do things like this like just. watch don't do uh I I don't want anyone.

to get hurt. I you know me I'm another. story. >> It's kind of amazing that you're okay. you know other than the bad concussions. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty. okay with how it turned out. >> What What's the worst injury that. anybody ever suffered during jackass. filming? >> Um, wow. There's been many concussions, breaks.

Uh, um. I I don't know. just like the arm. breaks, back breaks. >> Do you have any like longterm problems. because of it? >> Um, my lower back is pretty blown out. Um, and who knows about. uh how the concussions will uh rectify. themselves. Um, hopefully I'm.

okay. >> Do you feel any lingering effects? Well, my lower back's blown out. So, I I just. had a intracept procedure on my back. about on on in early December. >> They're they go the the nerve and the. vertebrae uh they go in and like somehow. use uh radio frequency heat to basically. burn the nerve so it. >> can't send the signal to your brain that.

it's hurt. >> Oh, so you just walk around hurt, but. you don't Oh, no. Yeah. >> Oh, >> I'm fine with that. >> Is it doing continual damage or is it. just pain? >> I think it it seems to be uh and that's. an excellent question that I did not ask. nor did I care about, but thank you for. bringing it up. I think uh to me it's. just pain. So, I you know. >> Jesus. Have you done anything else for. it? Like there's a bunch of different Is.

it a herniated disc? because of. >> Yeah, but the lower two discs are. herniated and uh I had uh shots in the. facet joints of my lower uh back is like. they put some kind of steroid in there. and it didn't give the result that I. wanted. Um have you ever heard of a. machine called a reverse hyper? >> No. There's a machine that a guy named. Louis Simmons, he was this uh legendary. powerlifter guy, he developed because he.

had uh [ __ ] his discs up powerlifting. and the doctors told him that he needed. to fuse his disc. Yeah. >> Because they were compressed. And he's. like, "Well, can't we decompress him?". And they're like, "No, there's no way.". He's like, "Well, there's got to be a. way." So, he developed a machine that. decompresses the spine while also. strengthening the muscles around it. It's a piece of exercise. That's Louie. Uh he developed this like something that. happened to uh uh Ving Gra in Pulp. Fiction. [laughter]. >> The that that's it. What does the.

machine do? It strengthens and. >> on the way up when she's lifting with. her legs, it's strengthening her back. and on the the down swing, it's actively. decompressing your back. >> So, it like pulls the discs apart and. creates space. I love this machine. I. have one at home. I have one here at the. studio. I use it all the time. is really. an important piece of equipment for. anybody that has a lower back injury or. who wants to prevent lower back injuries. and just for overall strength because. it's a very odd movement to be able to.

recreate. >> Oh, great. I'm going to look into that. because. >> Yeah, I'll show it to you. We have it in. the gym afterwards. I'll show it to you. after the podcast. Oh, sweet. You should. get one. It'll help you. >> Yeah. >> There's another thing called a teeter. Uh you know those things you hang by. your ankles? >> Yeah. >> Where you like decompress? They. developed one called the Dex where you. hinge from your waist. So you like get. in this thing, you strap your legs in. and you lean forward and it's like. you're hanging from like that. So you're. hanging from your hips like all your.

your weight is being like set on your. your thighs and your back carries all. the weight and it just slowly like pop. it decompresses. It feels great. >> Well, >> that thing that thing [ __ ] rules. I. always tell everybody if you you have a. back injury, you have back problems, that thing will help you a lot. Just do. that for a few minutes every day and. event, you know, slowly over time it. creates space and it alleviates some of. the pinching and you know problems that. people have depending of course on the.

severity of your injury. But yeah, I. love that thing. >> All right, you might be getting a couple. pieces of equipment. >> Yeah, man. You gota you got to prevent. So, how the [ __ ] did they talk you into. hosting Fear Factor? How'd that happen? Um, I met with uh Sharon Levy who runs. Indo. >> I know Sharon. >> and. >> shout out to Sharon Levy. >> She's awesome. And I I was like I'm on. I'm on the fence, you know? I.

and I sat down with her and I liked her. so much. cuz she seems like like how did a woman. like you that's is like awesome get a. job is the head of you know. >> right. >> she seems very rebellious. >> right. >> and I just thought yeah [snorts] I'm in. so uh it happened over a lunch. >> really. >> yeah I really liked her. >> um one of the problems that we had with. fear factors was we did 148 episodes.

initially and then we came back for a. brief amount of time, but they wanted to. really ramp it up. Like it was like the. these stunts are going to be bigger and. crazier than ever. And I was relieved. when it got cancelled cuz I was like. we're going to [ __ ] somebody up. I yeah. you felt what what kind of uh well you. have a couple of examples or. >> well there was a bunch in the early days. like first of the first one that we ever. did while I was like don't do this was. bull riding made people bull ride and.

this one lady was like she probably. weighed like 98 pounds. >> right. >> and she got on the back of the ball I'm. like she's not going to be able to hang. on at all she's going to go flying was. like stunt guys are some of the most. savage. [ __ ] psychotic zero zero fear at all. for their safety. Like they get so. hardened by it over time. Like just not. normal people. And uh this guy Perry uh. I was like, "Dude, what you're going to. make them ride a bull?" He's like, "Don't worry about it, boo. These are.

stunt bulls.". >> I go, [laughter]. "That's what he said." I go, "Does that. bull know he's a stunt bull?". >> They got their s card. >> I bet he has no [ __ ] idea. I bet he. just thinks he's a bull. So they're in. the cage before they do it. THE BULL'S. [ __ ] BUCKET AROUND AND he's just a. [ __ ] tank. >> Yeah. >> And I'm just going don't I told the. people I'm like don't do it. Don't do. it. Just quit, man. Just don't do it. I. It was like one of the only things where. I was I was like I wouldn't do it. I'm. telling you right now I would never do. this. >> Were the bulls were they the bulls that.

would cuz certain bulls you they get. upset if you ride them but after you. fall off they don't try to hook you. Did. these bulls try to hook them after they. got. >> They get They had handlers that steered. the bull away from the people and they. did a good job with that. But I mean, who [ __ ] knows? They don't want you. on them. They weigh 2,000 lbs. >> They're all muscle. Like the thing was. so powerful. Like you could feel it when. it was in the cage. It was just [ __ ]. moving around. I was like, "Don't do.

this.". >> And they're smart. Like bulls are very. smart. That's why unfortunately. uh you know in Spanish bull fighting. they kill the bull which I'm I'm I'm not. on board with but because they learn. your movements. You can't make the same. movement. >> twice in a row with the bull because. they're going to go, "Oh, okay. I'm. going to be you're going to do that and. I'm gonna be right here waiting on you.". >> It's unfair. And you can't have anyone.

move behind the fence when it's on. because bulls can easily jump over the. fence. They a lot of them just don't. know they can. So if you frighten them. or provoke them, they're just going to. jump over the fence. And then they have. like 35 people they can smoke. Yeah. It's it's it's when we work with. bulls, the the set is different. The set. is different. [laughter]. the the guy Gary Lefw who supplies our.

bulls, he was a world champion in 1970. and when we first started working with. him and it stuck with us the whole time. He's like when we have bulls on the set. I don't want anyone any kind of. negativity going around the set. It's. already hard enough with the bull. If. there's anyone negative or any. negativity that person's off the set and. >> negativity like in what way? Just if. there's uh any like. saying negative things or they've had a.

fight with someone right before any kind. of negative vibes. No negative vibes. >> The bull senses negative vibes. >> Just well the whole the whole everyone. on the set senses negative vibes and. everyone has to be completely present. and positive for this. And. >> is this voodoo or is this like real. science? >> No. No. I I think it it makes total. sense, especially when you're doing. stunts. When you're doing a stunt that.

can forever alter you. No, I I don't. like any negativity either. Everyone. could. And also, if you're doing. something that can forever alter you, you have to want to be there and want to. be doing it. You can't halfway go into. it because then you're really going to. get [ __ ] up. So this is just something. >> this is knowledge you've acquired over. time. >> Yeah. No, that's true. If you like half. commit in something that can for you're.

going to get. Yeah. It's bad. [laughter]. It's going to be bad anyway, but you you. need to want to be there. What a bizarre life skill. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? [laughter]. What a bizarre skill. like I know how to. survive doing something you really. shouldn't do that could alter you. forever. Stay positive. >> Well, that's that it doesn't it's not a. guarantee uh Joe, but it does I think it.

does help. We did a bunch of other stuff. that was not bulls like with cars and. trucks and stuff where I was like, "Ooh." Like we had a close call once. with this lady who was strapped to the. front of a truck and she was supposed to. go through some sort of an obstacle. course, but like they blew through some. boxes and the box got on the windshield. of the other car and the other car. almost slammed into her legs. [snorts].

>> Yeah. and she was screaming because she. thought it hit her and it was like we. were like what the [ __ ] are we doing? >> Was that when you guys came back for the. second round? >> Yeah, that was the second round. Yeah, the second round was sketchy. You know, we had people like getting they were. attached to a tree and they had to. figure out which key to unlock them. while a bungee cord was attached to them. and a helicopter. And so once they got. the thing unlocked, they would [ __ ]. rock it off of this tree.

>> up through the limbs. >> No, no, no. It was l likely wasn't that. there was no branches that could have. got them. >> But that would have been funnier. >> It would have been funnier like through. the branches and [ __ ] So they they. rocket over a [ __ ] giant canyon. Like. we're on the top of this canyon and they. just went flying while they were being. bungee jumped on the bottom of this. [ __ ] helicopter. It was terrifying. They were so high. If anything went. wrong, they were dead as [ __ ] 100%. dead. >> Oh man, that that's sketchy.

>> Oh, there was so much sketchy stuff and. then it ultimately got cancelled cuz. they had a drink come. [laughter]. >> Did you ever see that episode? >> Uh, no. No. >> Yeah, that's what sunk us. So, there was. only two times. >> What year was What kind of What kind. >> Donkey Kum? >> Ah, >> yeah. >> That'll do it every time, Joe. >> Yeah. And they got donkey [ __ ] because. it's the cheapest [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] Boores. Boores. ejaculate 15 ounces at a time.

>> Whoa. >> So, uh, >> a wild boar. Like a pig. >> Yeah. Really? 15 ounces. Uh, >> that's a lot. >> Yeah. >> That's a [ __ ] beerstein. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Yeah. So, this is it. So, these guy, that guy's drinking donkey [ __ ] and his. brother's drinking donkey piss. >> I I' I'd offer the [laughter] piss. That guy chugged it. He chugged Donkey. Kum. I'm getting I'm starting to drive. >> Oh, that's a lot. That was a lot of [ __ ]. >> A black and tan kind of with the piss.

and the seaman wouldn't have been a. terrible idea. >> It was so nasty. >> What were the Who were the girls there? >> Well, they were all twins. It was three. sets of twins and um they had to play. horseshoes. Like she's [laughter] her. mascara. It's like. >> she had to drink the seaman too. >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And the thing is, three sets of people, three twins, three. groups of twins did it and only one won. the money. >> Oh. >> So two people drank Donkey Kong and two.

people drank Donkey Piss for nothing. >> You know what the worst part of that is? Seammen burps later. >> Yeah. Just the just that bleachy smell that. >> the ladies like between the two of them. were fighting over who drank the piss. They wanted to drink. They didn't want. to drink the piss. They were happy to. drink the [ __ ] [laughter]. >> which I guess tracks, you know, like been there, done that.

Not in that kind of volume, but. >> what's the worst that could happen? Whereas the guys were like really trying. not to drink the [ __ ] you know? I don't. know what they did to decide because. they had to decide like one of them was. going to drink come one of them's going. to drink piss. So that was one of two. times two times where I was hosting this. show where I said to the producers don't. do this don't do this. I'm like you're. the show's going to get cancelled. They're like no we're fine. NBC approved. it. >> They did. >> Like they they're the bellweathers of. good tasting [laughter] guy on set who.

was like the NBC standards guy, the. standards and practices guy. And I'm. like, "You're you're okay with this. Like, this is okay." And they're like, "Yeah, the network's fine with it." I'm. like, "This is so [ __ ] you guys are. too close to this." [laughter] I'm like, "You guys are too close to this. You. don't understand how the general. public's going to react.". >> And then I think what happened, I think. it was TMZ, but someone leaked the. footage online. Someone leaked like. images of people drinking con like fear.

factor crosses the line. And then the. outrage was palpable. like it was like. some serious outrage and then that show. never aired in America but it aired. overseas. I think it aired in like maybe. the Netherlands or something like that. or Germany which is where Fear Factor. actually came from. Fear Factor was. actually a show in the ne in the. Netherlands called now or Neverland. Ah, >> and then they brought it over to America. when Endal purchased it and then they.

changed it to I think they then they. came up with the name Fear Factor after. that. That was like one and I was. already on board. >> Yeah. Wow. I didn't know that. >> Yeah. >> There was no there was virtually no. blowback after uh Pontia Strength Horse. Come and Jackass number two. [laughter]. >> Never heard about it. >> Well, it wasn't on TV at least. There's. something about television, you know, censored, you know, >> federal communications approved.

>> fear factor and they drank come. So that. got us canceled. That was it. That was. like 201 I guess 11 or something like. that. 12. >> How many seasons you do? Um, I think we did six or seven. initially and then we did another. >> Yeah. And then we did another six. episodes. One of them that never aired. >> Did you help write creative? >> No. No. No. No. No. >> You didn't want any part of that? >> I had zero. No. What I would do is I'd.

show up at work. I'd get in my trailer. I'd take an edible and then I would go. to the set and I'm like, "What do we. got?" First I did the first two first. four episodes I did sober. Then I was. like this is so boring. I need I need to. get high. And so [laughter] I would take. pot lollipops and pot gummies and just. get [ __ ] lit and then enjoy it cuz. then it was like like this is an. adventure. >> What a great Oh, it was a fun gig. >> Yeah, I had a I had so much fun too. because all I do is like you all I did.

was talk. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> Oh, it's easy. I ate a lot of [ __ ] I. ate a lot of things to try to encourage. people, you know, like because after a. while I got so. >> Oh, you you would do the the things with. them. >> I'd be like, you could do it. Like, I'll. do it. I'll do it for you. Like, and. some of the times when I did it to just. try to help people. I'm like, look, I'm. going to show you. I'm going to do it. and then you're going to do it. And then. we didn't even air me doing it because I. was like cuz they they didn't want to. make it seem like it was so cuz I could. do it easily cuz I was so used to. disgusting stuff. I could just take a. roach and just throw it down. Take a.

worm and throw it down. Like just do it. It's not that hard. It's all in your. [ __ ] head. Because I was trying to. like, >> you know, I get it. Like coach people. through it. >> I when I took the job, I'm like, I this. I'm just going to like. give people hell, you know, the whole. time, you know, and make their fears. worse. But then I get to set and I it. there's a human in front of you and I'm. like I I don't know. These are regular. people and they really have fear. So, I'm going to try I ended up like you.

trying to help them. >> do it, >> but I was I never wanted to uh. like do what they were doing for the. fact that I never wanted that footage to. be seen like I'm trying to, you know, like you were just. >> like you had confidence that they. wouldn't show that. And I'm like, ah. >> They showed a few things. They showed me. eating like spiders. They showed me. eating a roach, but I ate a lot of stuff. that they never saw or I did some things.

that they because I just wanted these. people to do it. I get it. I'm like, you. can do it. It's in your head. >> I'm like, you just got to decide. Like, your mind has to decide. I'm just going. to do this. Just do it. Just go ahead. and do it. Don't think about, oh my god, I can't believe I'm doing it. Just. [ __ ] do it. Chew, swallow, chew, swallow. I would just talk them through. it. Yeah. >> And I became like a a [ __ ]. motivational coach or something like. that. Was weird. Yeah, that's real. because after there was on the [snorts]. first there was one girl that quit the.

she she was like I'm not continuing this. bit this stunt. >> What was it? Can you say. >> uh it was something with snakes, right? And it was a big fear and after that I I. got the cast together and I'm like it. at least always try to do what we're. doing. Don't don't let it the fear stop. you, right? Just always try. And after. that, like everyone, even if they're.

horrified, they made an effort. And I. felt good about that. And I think they. did, too. >> Oh, that's cool. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, some people, but it's. sometimes it's good that someone quits. so you realize like this is real. Like. some people really like especially. snakes. Snakes to there's something uh. about aidophobia that I think is primal. I think it's in your DNA. I think either. your ancestors were either bitten by a. snake and barely survived or someone saw.

someone die from a snake and that that. >> information is encoded in your DNA. because the the fear that people have of. snakes is [ __ ] wild. Like when they. have legitimate aphidophobia, it is a. [ __ ] crazy fear to watch. It's it's. like their whole body locks up. They. start shaking. Like it's not a normal. fear. It's like an ancient caveman fear. that's locked into their DNA. Like.

someone thousands of years ago survived. something like this. And that's the only. reason why you're here. And every fiber. of your being wants to [ __ ] run away. from snakes. >> It's wonderful. It has to be. >> when someone has that one like bam. >> terrified of snakes. >> Oh, really? >> Terrified. And. >> of course, we use that to our advantage, >> of course. Yeah. Well, we would make. people fill out a questionnaire when. they would sign up for Fear Factor,

like, "What are your fears? Heights, snakes, spiders." Well, you're getting. heights, snakes, and spiders. >> I would write tequila, whiskey, uh, >> [ __ ] [laughter]. >> I hate back massages. Yeah. Yeah. It was. uh it was fascinating because like you. know I had a background in martial arts. and and teaching and one of the things. that I did when I was younger was I took. a lot of people to tournaments and I. coached a lot of people in taekwond no. tournaments and they'd be [ __ ]. terrified. And I would I learned how to.

lock in with them and how to get them. into a certain mindset you know as a. coach. And I be like, look, you're going. to get past this and this is going to be. like one of the highlights of your life. because you're absolutely terrified. And. this fear on the other side will it will. be a completely different feeling. You'll have a feeling of accomplishment. You'll have a feeling of an. understanding of knowing that you can. overcome very terrifying situations and. you can triumph and you can do this. Like you have skills. You just have to.

be able to go out there and perform and. you can do it. and I'd get in their head. and I carried that over to Fear Factor. sometimes because there was people that. just needed help like they didn't they. had never experienced anything that. really freaked them out before. They had. never experienced the kind of pressure. of not just a competition but a. competition where they're doing. something kind of dangerous. >> and something that really [ __ ]. freaked them out. They have to hold. their their breath underwater for like. two minutes while they swim through a. [ __ ] thing. We have rescue diversic.

who was ready to [ __ ] quit and then. they went on and won the whole thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's that does make you. feel good to push someone. >> to the other side. And the survivors. euphoria waiting for you. Well, uh. >> that I I heard that I read about that. term. >> Survivors euphoria. >> and I and I realized I'd experienced it.

a few. >> multiple times. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh there [snorts] was. a You Colonel John Paul Stap? >> No. He was a doctor, a biophysicist, uh flight surgeon, and he worked with uh. Chuck Joerger and all that. out at uh uh Edwards, it was it's now. Edwards Air Force Base, and they were.

conducting experiments on. uh what happens to a pilot when they. eject at high altitude and Colonel John. Paul Stat. because these experiments were gnarly. They're on deceleration. They built this. huge sled out in uh the desert and he. would strap himself in because the the. thinking at the time was if you're going. to do something a very dangerous uh. experiment,

a lot of times people back then would. put themselves at the center because. they didn't want to. Of course, they had. other people doing it and he did it most. though. So, they would go hundreds of. miles per hour. Yes. >> Whoa. >> Hundreds of miles per hour and stop. within uh 8 ft. And at the time, I think. they thought you could only experience. uh maybe 18 gs of deceleration. He at one time experienced 49 gs of.

deceleration. I think it's the most ever. that any human is. And he went blind for. a little bit. And he knew that was going. to happen because he'd had that happen. before in these experiments. And the night before the one where he. got 49 G's, experienced 49 G's, he went. around his house with his eyes closed, uh, and just trying to do things like. cook. If if he did go blind forever, he's one of the most he was he at one.

time he was known as the fastest man. alive on that sled. He went faster than. anyone at the time. He and he's the. reason we have seat belts in cars. He's. one of the most brilliant men of the. 20th century. He was on the cover of. Time magazine. No one knows who he is. today. >> Wow. >> Um but he talked about survivors. euphoria. Uh and that's where I I. learned about it. What did he say about. it? >> Just just the endorphins that get.

released after going through something. like that and that you did survive. And. it's just. it just fills you up. >> So he knew he was going to go blind and. he did it anyway. >> He knew that there was a high. probability of going blind. >> and a possibility of being blind. forever. >> Yes. And he was blind for like a couple. days before it started getting sensing. light again. >> Yeah, he's he's an amazing amazing.

person. >> I did a flight with the Blue Angels. once. >> How was that? >> It was amazing. Um, first of all, you. don't you never think of like that being. a physical thing that those guys have to. be physically fit. >> Oh, yeah. Well, you go to when we went. to the base before you, you know, do the. whole safety thing. They explain. everything what you're going to have to. do. You see like that these guys are all. [ __ ] jacked. They're all like. superheroes. Yeah.

>> It's cuz they have. >> They're not the big They're They're. >> They're short like me and they're all. like thick. They're all like [ __ ]. jacked dudes. And they were like, well, first of all, you don't want to be tall. because it's all about how much time it. takes for the blood to get from your. heart to your brain. And the shorter. distance it has to travel, the better. off you are. And you have to be. physically strong cuz you do it. Have. you ever done it? You ever done a flight. in a fighter jet? >> Uh, no, but we did the vomit comet in. Russia.

>> Okay. >> But, uh, Steo went up in a MIG. >> They do a thing called hooking. So, what. it is is like you hold on to the. joystick or you there's straps that. strap your legs down as well, you know, like you're really harnessed in. You. hold on to your straps. You go like this. hoot and what you're literally doing is. forcing blood into your brain because. you feel consciousness closing like an. elevator door. It's like you feel the. pressure like you're going black. You. literally see it. You see the darkness. on his high.

and you're just trying to keep the blood. in your brain. >> We went seven and a half G's. >> Um, but the guy in front of me while. we're doing this, so you're taking this. [ __ ] heart. You're like flying. through these canyons. Like he was going. for it. Like he really took me on a. ride. It wasn't a safe ride. It was. wild. We were like a couple hundred feet. off the ground maybe and whipping. through these canyons, taking these. [ __ ] hard turns. >> And I heard him going hoot hoot hoot. So. I'm going, "Oh, [ __ ] He's blacking out, too." [laughter] I'm like, "We're going.

hundreds of miles an hour." Just like. 100 feet off the ground, whipping. through these canyons. This guy's about. to [ __ ] black out, too. >> That's not what you want to hear. >> It was terrifying, but also like. super educational. Like, you know, you. just see people flying around. You're. like, "Oh, it's probably like driving a. car." No, it's unbelievably physically. demanding. And the Blue Angels, they. don't use gravity suits. Or at least. they didn't. >> No. No. What? They don't use. decompression suits. >> No. No. It's just a regular flight suit.

>> Well, did they not go up to a certain. What altitude were they. >> jet? It's a jet. It's not like you have. to like you're not in a spaceship, right? So, the whole thing is just about. being able to stay conscious. And the. thing about the gravity suit is I guess. somehow or another it aids your ability. to absorb all those G's. I'm not really. educated about it, but I just do know. that he said there's ways that you wear. suits that make this easier, but they. don't wear the suits.

>> Yeah, I think if you go up to a certain. altitude, you have to have the. >> But this wasn't an altitude thing. This. was just a GeForce thing. It was just. the hard turns. >> It's like the the wicked turns at. hundreds of miles an hour. And also just. thinking about the tolerances of the. aircraft itself and the the the pressure. that's on the hall because the the. feeling of being in a jet going hundred. miles an hour, hundreds of miles an hour. and then hitting a hard turn. It's just. your whole BODY JUST LIKE [screaming].

>> YEAH. AND you're just And you're just. along for the ride. Like they I mean. they're so skilled to be able to. >> overcome the forces. He let me do some. stuff like uh I got to make the the jet. do a loop. I do that. I got to get it to. to roll over to get it to go upside down. and go back over. Yeah, he showed me how. to do that. >> Wow. >> You were in control of it or. >> Well, I mean, he's there too in case I. do something really [ __ ] stupid. I'm. sure he has ultimate control. But I have.

a joystick, too. >> I was allowed to do some stuff. Do do. you think. I mean they could give you a joystick. and it not be connected to anything too. and make you feel. >> but it was connected. You could clearly. tell while you're moving it, >> right? Oh man, that's that's pretty. scary. >> It It made you want to get one of those. things. Like how dope would it be to. have one of those? >> Get one of those jets. >> Yeah, [laughter]. >> cuz you can get one of those if you're. like a super rich guy. >> Well, yeah, you can get one, but you got. to you mean how much is a Cuz we we.

looked this up one day. You could buy. like decommissioned fighter jets, you. know? They don't have any machine guns. on them or anything crazy, but you can. get a decommissioned fighter jet. If. you're like some [ __ ] psychotic. billionaire and you got your own landing. strip, you you could get a [ __ ]. fighter jet. >> Oh, yeah. >> Which is gnarly. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you go to Russia, you could probably get one fully loaded. >> 1,500 bucks, dog. >> 1,500. [laughter]. >> 1.5 million. >> Close. >> A million. It's a million. buy one.

[laughter]. >> Well, [ __ ] Look at this one. 395 grand. You get one. What's like a really dope. one? It's like go make it price. Okay. 54. What is that one. >> for five million bucks? What do you get? >> A 1992 McDonald Douglas. Skyhawk. Oo. >> I mean, for that price, you should get a. couple of rockets with it. Come on. >> Well, I bet you could go to Russia and. they'll give you some rockets. >> Oh, man. We Yeah, we we shot in Russia.

and you can literally do anything you. want in Russia. They let me get on a. military base and shoot uh missiles out. of a cannon. They took Steo up in a MIG. Uh this is back when we were friendly. with Russia. >> Yeah. This episode is brought to you by. Athletic Brewing Company. So, here we. are. It's the new year, which means it's. about time to hit reset. Just because. it's January doesn't mean you need to. disappear into a cold plunge and never. drink again. Just rotate in some.

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>> Do you ever look back on like how. surreal like your life has been and all. these experiences? >> I feel it a lot. Uh like when like for. example in Russia because growing up. like you would do those disaster drills. in school in case Rob Russia dropped the. bomb and you know. >> Oh yeah. >> run out behind your locker and put your. head between your legs like that would. help if a bomb was dropped. >> Yeah. >> But they were such the bad guy. And then. it was 2005 and I'm now I'm on a.

been in movies and I'm over there and. that felt very surreal. to be in Russia. and think about. what's happened to my life. Uh there are. moments like that. Yeah. >> Well, it was weird too because you got. out of it and became a movie star but. then started do you were doing it again. like you were right back in. >> and it kind of started in Russia. actually. Uh we were doing uh a bit.

we've done a few things over in Russia. and we were doing something with the. Russian special forces where we were on. a uh. like uh we're going to run through this. uh what do you call it uh when you're. there's dogs and. >> obstacle course. >> Yeah, we're on obstacle course and they. had all these things set up. I'm like, "All right. Well, I was like, Jeff, why. don't you have their attack dog attack.

me and then uh shoot me with the rubber. bullets and then have the guy kick me in. the face when I get to the end?". And. uh and we we shot that and the dog. attacked me and the the the Russian guy. the the special forces guy said, "I'm. not going to kick you in the face." But. he did. What a nice guy. >> Deliver a nice blow to my soul solar. plexus. I had to beg him to do it three.

times to like, you know, you got to like. do it as hard as you can. But Jeff. pulled me aside and goes, "Look, if you". This was just for Wild the TV show Wild. Boys. I would travel with them. sometimes. He goes, "If you're going to. go this hard for basic cable, why don't. [laughter] why don't we do another. movie?" And I was like, "All right.". >> How many movies have you guys done? Um, we've done four. Uh, and we just. announced we're going to do I just. announced we're going to do another uh I.

was going to be out June 26th. >> Have you filmed it already? >> No, we're going to we're about to film. it in February. >> Oh, >> late February. >> So, start then. Yeah. >> Do you feel apprehension? Do you feel. like No. >> No. Like, >> but you can't get a concussion. >> No, I can't get any concussions. But I. mean, I don't care if like I break my. arm or leg. No one cares about that. It's just I. >> You don't care about breaking your arm.

or your leg? Really? >> No. >> Really? >> No. >> So, this is something. This is like a. feel you've developed this. I don't. care. You didn't have that when you. first started doing it. >> Uh, you went back. >> There was there was probably some some. self-worth issues when I began. >> [laughter]. >> It didn't come from a healthy place, Joe. >> Well, it but it's not just that. It's. like you don't have a fear of being like. radically injured because you blow your. knee out or you blow your leg out, you're limping for the rest of your.

life. >> I don't It doesn't That doesn't bother. me. No. >> God, I'm so averse to that [ __ ]. >> It's It's I I It's like the uh producer. side of me overrides the performer side. It's like, "Hey, but we're gonna get. footage." And it's it's about as simple. as that. [snorts]. >> So you'll still do dangerous [ __ ] You. just don't want to do anything. dangerous. I don't care about Yeah. >> But how if you're going to get be in a. violent situation where you could break.

an arm or a leg, you easily could get a. concussion as well. >> Well, you got to Well, you got to. assess, Joe. >> Risk. >> Risk assessment. How [laughter] the What. the [ __ ] does your waiverss look like? >> Um, yeah. I I I don't know. It was, you. know, on the first movie they we the. insurance companies insured it per bit. They didn't insure the whole movie. They. just insured it per bit. >> Yeah. That's how they did with Fear. Factor as well. >> So some bits costs were the insurance.

was going to be more than the whole. first movie. And so can't do those. Uh. but after that, you know, we find a. shady insurance company and they take. care of us. Once you started acting. though and doing big movies, did wasn't. there any part of you was like, "Okay, I'm done with this.". >> No, it's it [laughter]. it was it's so fun. It's something that. uh I created with my friends. >> Right. >> Right. Right. Right.

>> And then there's probably my wires got. crossed somehow and then I I learned to. like it. I look I would love it, you. know. Uh, I guess it's like uh. comedian. uh learning to love bombing, right? >> No one learns to love bombing. >> I uh really I've couple comedians and. they're like if you got to learn to like. love it and basically not fear it.

>> Yeah. >> And and I kind of did that with. stunts, I guess. I like learned to I. just. I just liked it. >> Wow. >> Um. >> you ever talk to a shrink about that? >> Well, while I was doing. I have tal I know I have a therapist and. I'm like okay we can talk about. everything in my life but not the part. of me that does stunts.

>> Really? >> Yeah. because I didn't want to unwind. that. >> even though it it it went sideways quite. a few times. >> That's [snorts] a wild statement. I. didn't want to unwind that. >> Yeah. So, I' I've looked into it a. little now that I can't get any more. concussions, but [laughter]. >> don't crush my career. >> What is Yeah, right. What a crazy job. for the therapist. Yeah. Like the one. area where you really probably should. address [laughter].

You know what I mean? You have this like. overall what is Johnny Knoxville? What's. going on in his head? And there's this. one door. Yeah. You can't go in that. room. >> Yeah. We can't can't The biggest problem. we can address. >> Yeah. It's kind of a crazy thing. >> Yeah. Well, again, I should have went to. college. >> Do you get uh annoyed having to answer. all these questions all the time about. that kind of [ __ ] Because after a. while, I would imagine like that is the.

most. common thing that people would want to. talk to you about. Like, how many times. you've been hurt? What happened? What is. it like? >> No, I don't. I I mean, I I uh. again, I get the joke what I would be. doing if I wasn't doing this. So, >> yeah, >> I'm grateful. And so, somebody wants to. talk about it, let's talk. >> Well, you're obviously a smart guy. I. don't buy that. You could do anything. Well, when I started down this road, this was my best guess. So, uh, you.

know, it just became something I'm. doing. Uh, and yeah, I guess I did want. to write, but I I I I incorporate that. into the movies. [snorts]. >> It was very strange life, Johnny. >> Yeah, I guess. Yeah, >> for sure. Um, yeah. I I kind of. uh.

created. the environment that I grew up in with. my father. He uh owned a tire company. and he had all these crazy characters. working for him like people like uh Big. George, ass kicking Robert, this guy SD. named Super Dick. one guy named WW. Woodroll Wilson Boxcar Johnson Jr. He. was the tire groover who was always. getting arrested for one thing or.

another. Um. and he was always pranking these people. at work, his people that work for him. Uh he would stage gunfights at Christmas. parties. What? One he did this twice. He. one year at the Christmas party, he gave. a couple of the guys, his employees, guns and said, "Okay, I want you guys to. get an argument and I want to culminate. with you pulling out a gun and firing. and you pulling out your gun." They were. blank guns and everyone just, it was in.

a pretty gnarly part of town, too. But. everyone just ran out into the streets. Dad was ecstatic. So the next year, so. the next year there are two new. employees and he's like, "Hey, hey, Merl, come over here. You guys, you're. going to get in a fight and you're going. to start yelling and you're going to. pull out of guns and it's the same gag.". So they did it and they were very. excited and they pull out the gun, started firing, but dad had given. everyone else in the party blank guns. So they started firing back at those. dudes. Those dudes take off running down.

the street. Um, so yeah, uh, just kind. of imitating what my father did, I. guess. Did your father feel any responsibility? >> Dad loved jackass but hated the parts. where I would do stunts. My whole family. did. >> of course. >> Um. and but they you know I just doing what. I saw growing up. He would send letters. to his friends from the VD clinic rubber.

stamped on the envelope [laughter]. saying you have to list your last 10. partners because you've contracted a. venerial disease sign Dr. Harlland C. Titmore. But people would get these. letters or worse the guy's wife would. get the letter and the thing about. something like that people become angry. and emotional and then they believe. everything. That's the great thing about. pranks. If you can get someone so wound. up that they're really emotional, they'll believe anything. And so this.

guy would come home from work and then. the mother, like his wife would be. there, the the wife's mother would be. there. He had a [snorts] gun pulled on. him over that once. >> A real gun. >> Oh yeah, real guns. Um, [laughter]. >> your dad sounds like a [ __ ] maniac. He would he would uh send letters out. from. the IRS telling people they're going to. be audited. He got visited by the Tennessee Bureau.

of Investigation over that. He he didn't. do [laughter] that anymore. >> Well, that makes more sense now. Okay. So, you grew up in a very unusual. environment. >> Yeah, very unusual. >> How did your dad get started doing [ __ ]. like that? Was it just. >> I don't know. He just had that. personality. He was such a [ __ ] starter. He He should have been in show business. is what should have been, but he he was. from N. >> Did you ever think about using him?

>> Uh he was in one episode. Uh it when. we're doing the TV show, my mom and him. were in the episode, but he he wrote a. couple of bits for Jack. He was like, "Hey, I want you to do this." And we. filmed a couple. So he loved that. So, um, yeah, he, uh, I don't know. He didn't know how to go. about being in show business. Neither. did I either. >> But it seems like he was doing his own. almost like a local play. He was doing.

his own version of it for himself. >> Yeah. Oh, for sure. Just to entertain. himself. >> I guess he could do that when you're the. boss. >> Yeah. He uh like I in high school got to. work for. >> I'd be laying on the couch. I took a. nap. you know, it was like a junior, senior. or whatever, and. I felt something go through my lips. And. he had went and got a hot dog and. microwaved it till it was lukewarm.

and drugged the hot dog through my lips. And then when I woke up, he acted like. he was zipping his pants. [laughter]. He thought and it just him laughing at. his own joke just made everything he. thought it was the funniest thing and. then like you're on board too. >> Yeah. >> Uh he was a character. >> Well that makes more sense now. >> Yeah. >> cuz I'm like how does a normal guy dive. into something like Jackass? >> Yeah.

>> That makes more sense now. >> Yeah. >> You were sort of indoctrinated at an. early age. >> Very early. >> Some of the [ __ ] that made me the most. uncomfortable was the Wild Boy stuff. Like uh Steo showed me a video of him. when he climbed a tree and the lions. came up the tree and took his hat, [laughter]. >> which is which is disrespectful if you. think about it. >> Just take his hat. >> Fortunate because if they didn't have. the hat, they might have just grabbed. his whole head and just dragged him off, you know? I mean, those were actual.

lions. >> Yeah. No, they. >> they weren't pet lions. you're entering. into a situation that's unpredictable. and kind of hoping for the best is what. you're doing. >> And they didn't have any backup plan. I. mean, when you're in a tree and the. lions go up the tree to get you, there's. nothing really anybody could do to help. you. By the time if it gets a hold of. you, you're dead. Like. >> there's nothing any like here's an. example uh of the backup plans we have.

We're filming. Steo's filming a bit with. an alligator on Jackass. And our safety. guy, Manny Pig, who dives in swamps at. night with a minor light to pull. alligators up to the surface and. crocodiles. He's Tarzan. He's Tarzan. He. was our safety guy. And [laughter] it's. like, okay, if this goes south, what. what do we do? Uh, man, he goes, okay, we we're going to be doing this stunt. with the alligator. And if the alligator. grabs a hold of Steo and bites him, hopefully he will let go. [laughter] And.

that was it. That was the whole plan. There's no like poke him in the eyes. There's no like. >> if the gator doesn't want to let go, he's not going to let go. So. [sighs]. >> [ __ ] dude. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The wild animals ones are the. nutty. One one of the ones where you. guys are playing keep away with hyenas. We keep laughing. >> They have the strong like one of the. strongest jaw the bite in the animal.

kingdom. Maybe they're like third or. fourth. >> Yeah. >> There's What are you going to do? There's nothing you can do. Just hope. for the best. >> Yeah. And they have instincts. Like if. you twist your ankle and they see you. limping. >> Oh yeah. I was doing a thing with uh we. were in Argentina at this zoo and. we were like, "Hey, can I get in with. the the lions?" cuz there was a couple. of keepers in there with it and they're. like, "Yeah, come on in.". And and.

they're like, "But whatever you do, don't trip and fall." I'm like, "Oh. shit." And so I I got on a bike and. started riding around the pen and and. they're like, "If we give you a signal, you got to" And so I'm riding around the. pen. They're like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO. GET OUT. GET OFF. GET. OFF." cuz the lion locked in on me and. was about to attack me and they hurried. me out of the pen and afterwards they're. like, "Yeah, that was the first time. anyone aides from us has been in the pin.

with them." And it's also mating season, so he's very aggressive. Like, well, I wish you'd have told me. that before I got in there. Well, I. still would have went in there, but it. was a real halfass uh type of situation. >> It's just like you guys just have. avoided death over and over and over. again. Yeah, we've been lucky. [laughter]. >> But like. that's a [ __ ] up way to go through. life,

>> I guess. But [laughter]. >> you waxing philosophically, I guess. >> I don't know, man. It just [snorts]. >> and for sure you entertained the [ __ ]. out of millions and millions of people. >> who laughed their asses off and had a. great [ __ ] time watching. >> I get I don't know why but I get. anxiety. I have a really hard time. watching those things. >> Yeah. >> I avoid them. Like a lot of my friends. like we're going to see Jackass. I'm. like I don't I can't I get freaked out.

I don't want anybody to get hurt. It's. weird. >> Yeah. I I feel that way when uh like one. of the guys is doing something like. pretty gnarly. I I'm not ecstatic over. watching something that could have a. forever consequence. But with me, I I. don't know. I'm just like, let's go. I. just It's I just It's fun. >> I know. But even after you have a family. and even after, you know, you have kids. that are watching their dad get [ __ ].

up. >> Well, that's the thing. I wouldn't. I didn't want my kids to see that, you. know, >> but they had to see. >> at a certain age. Like I didn't let my. oldest daughter, she could watch things with Wee Man or. this or that. And but I didn't let her. come to a movie until she was 14. I made. her sit right next to me and I said, "Madison, there's sometimes you have to. close your eyes, sometimes cover your. ears, and sometimes both." And I had the. list of bits. And so it it was I.

censored it even then. But now it's the internet. It's a. [ __ ] free-for-all. >> Yeah. >> So I guess my younger kids I think you. know they saw it a little earlier I get. with I only showed my son like a year. ago and my daughter six months ago. >> reaction. >> but he he was on board. [laughter]. My youngest daughter, I she thought a. lot of things were funny, but I don't.

know. I I guess I don't know what how. she felt because they only my youngest. only saw the first Jackass movie, which. is pretty tame compared to the others. Looking back, it's pretty innocent. Even. though Ryan Dunn shoved a car up his ass. to get an X-ray, a little toy car. [laughter]. >> Did you see that bit? >> Yes. >> Yeah, that one worked. >> [laughter].

>> Do you worry that they're going to. follow in your footsteps? >> No. >> No. >> Well, I have daughters and they're just. naturally more bright, [laughter] you. know, >> and and my son. like he he will joke about it like to. his mom that he's going, but he's not. going to. He's he's bright, too. They. have they have options. I had I didn't. see a lot of options for myself. >> It's weird that you said that like your.

daughters are bright because girls are. definitely more riskaverse and like. ridiculous situations like that. But. >> think things through. >> If it I have a way harder time watching. girls get hurt. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't I. don't We had a a girl on the show. She. uh like like. broke uh her lower back. She she was.

doing a thing. Uh we're doing a just a. it was a pretty tame stunt compared to. the ones we do. She was going down uh. like a it was grass, but it was like a. big hill on a like a some kind of rubber. raft. And she had her lav mic at the. lower on her lower back. >> Oh. and she came off and that was the. impact area and for the longest and it. really was a bummer for everybody, you.

know, and I'm like I don't. I didn't have we didn't have a female. cast member for a long time. >> What was the extensive extent of. >> I it was it she was in the hospital for. a little bit. She's fine now. I just saw. her at the. Jackass Art Show in November and she's. fine, but it sucked. You had a jackass. art show. >> Yeah. Yeah. For because it was our 25th. anniversary last year and I'm like, let's have an art show and have we have. some cast members and crew members who.

are good artists and I'm like, let's. reach out to. some big artists to see if they'll do. it. And and we did. It's the first time. I ever curated an art show. And uh I I. you know, I even I was like, "Oh, [ __ ]. I'm gonna reach out to Damian Hurst to. see if he'll do it. [laughter]. and he ended up doing 10 pieces of art. for it. It was I was like, "Wow." You. know, I was really blown away by.

the good. vibes and uh that we got from everyone. over it. >> Yeah. Because you guys didn't just. create a show, you you you know, you. created like a chapter in modern pop. culture history. really because it became one of the most. entertaining things ever and one of the. most ridiculous things ever. Wow. Yeah. That's tough to.

I never really walked down those roads. Uh. yeah, I don't I I don't know. Oh, I I. appreciate you saying that though, but. it's it's it's odd, you know, to. entertain that thought of, especially if. you see B and Tmaine sitting around. writing ideas, you're like, "These two. idiots did that." [laughter]. Like, if you could see how we shoot, it's just you. It's amazing. We get any.

footage at all, Joe. Um. Jeff Ross came out with us on Jackass. number two. We were doing some bit and. some prank with me and Spike as old. people and. me and Spike would we would like hit bus. stops and and. anywhere where there's people and we but. we would jump out and start doing pranks. before the cameras even arrived. And it. was driving Jeff insane. He's like, "You. guys shoot a movie like it's a pickup.

basketball game." And he just roasted us. for about five minutes straight. It's so. and it was all accurate. It's like it's. amazing we get any footage. >> Yeah. But like that's the spirit of it. is that you're doing it for fun. So you. would be doing it if the cameras were on. or not. You're doing it for yourselves. as much as you're doing it for the. camera. >> Oh, for sure. Yeah. >> Which is why it's so good. >> I I don't know how to make like other. people laugh, right? If I'm writing a.

bit, I don't that would freeze me. But I. know how to make my friends laugh and if. they're laughing, I think we may have. something. [laughter] And that's that's. the only bell weather. Like if you do something like in the in. the magic trick uh with the bull, we did. that twice cuz the first time the first. bull just came and and didn't really. knock me up in the air. He just got me. on the ground and just started plowing. me, stomping me. And I got up and.

everyone was looking at me like. I'm like, "All right." And I looked at. Jeff and he's like. I'm like, "All right, bring the other. bull in. that sucks." Take [laughter] two with. bulls always sucks. You're hoping you get that first one. Oh. god, the the things with animals are the. ones I think that freak me out the most. So Wild Boys was the hardest one for me. to watch. I' I've really struggled with. that show. Yeah, the one that.

I Jeff and I got in a half argument. over. I was in Arkansas shooting the. riot control test. I me, Bam, and Dunn. were standing in front of the riot. control. Shoots like 10,000 hard rubber beads at. you. We're shooting that. and they were. in New Orleans about to go out and put a. hook through Steo's jaw, chum up the. waters, and cast him out to the water.

with sharks. I'm like, "What what uh. what are we doing, Jeff? What's what. what what's the best possible outcome. here?" [sighs and gasps]. >> He's like, "Oh, no, no, it's fine. It's. fine." I'm like, "You we're going to get. his foot bit off? It's fine." And then. it ended up being fine, but I was. questioning the bit. And it's a great. bit. The shark goes to bite his foot and. Stebo kicks him at the last second and. scares the shark away. >> Oh, >> yeah. It was just dumb luck.

>> And he had a hook through his mouth. >> Yeah, it was it was it was like a big. Jamie. >> Oh, you're not going to look at that. >> Oh my god. >> It took him like 15 minutes to get that. hook through his mouth. >> OH. [screaming]. AND THE THING ABOUT IT, THEY shot it the. day before and it didn't go good. So, there's a hole on the other side of his. jaw, too. You just can't see it. >> This is so [ __ ] stupid. >> Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. [laughter].

>> Oh my god, dude. >> Yes. He's uh And oh yeah, it was going. for him and then he kicks it and got him. back in it. That would have been bad. That would have been forever bad. Old peg lag Steo. [sighs]. >> And he's like mentoring young guys that. are doing it too. Like last time he was. on he was showing. Yeah. Let me show you. this one guy that I'm hanging out with. >> Yeah, dude. >> He's got this guy running through barb.

wire. I'm like, "What the fuck?". [laughter]. >> Yeah. This guy's radical. He's covering. himself in firecrackers. I'm like, "No.". >> Oh, I know. That's Zach. We We got him. in the cast. He uh yeah, he's he's. pretty up for it. >> How bad is he [ __ ] up? >> Uh yeah. I mean, if you seen he got a he. was doing some trick on a skateboard and. he's a he was a rather reubenesque young. fellow and he just compound fractured. his ankle. He I don't think you would. like that one at all.

>> Pop through the skin the whole deal. >> Uh I'm not sure it popped through the. skin, but it was it was uh doing things. that ankles shouldn't do. What a weird life you've lived, dude. >> Yeah, very strange. >> It's been okay. >> Yeah. [laughter] No, I mean, look, you're fine. >> Yeah. No, it's odd. I get it. I get it. >> What are you laughing at, Jamie? >> I just I saw the injury here. >> Let me see. >> Okay, here he goes. AND.

>> I guess that was more his uh shin his uh. >> Oh, that's his tibia and his. >> Oh, yeah. Dip fib. >> Yeah, that's the Conor McGregor right. there. >> Yeah, look ass on Instagram. I'm not. Joeman. >> Yeah, that's the Yeah, Anderson Silva. >> I've seen a few of those. Those are the. most painful things I've ever seen in. UFC fights. Yeah. >> The things that really bother me are the. the leg breaks when someone throws a.

kick and the kick gets checked and you. see their leg like wrap around the shin. >> The Anderson Silva one was very. disturbing. >> Oh, that was hor. It's crazy like it's. only happened four times in the history. of MMA or in the history of the UFC and. two of them involved Chris Weidman. one. Chris Weidman did it to Anderson Silva. where Anderson Silva broke his leg and. then Chris Weidman broke his leg in the. exact same way against Uriah Hall. >> Oh, I don't know if I saw the one.

against Uriah Hall. so loud cuz what he did was it was the. first kick he threw. >> It was the first round of the fight. He. threw a full power low kick and Uriah. checked it. >> Oh, >> and you hear it just snap. Do the. headphones work? Can we hear it? >> Oh, no. Unfortunately, >> they're still [ __ ] Good. >> Good. [clears throat] Good. You don't. need to hear it. But here it is. Full. power. CORRECT. >> WHOA. WHOA. >> AND THEN HE PUTS HIS FOOT DOWN.

>> That doesn't Oh, that doesn't look real. >> Yeah. He was never the same again. >> Yeah. You can't come back from that, right? >> No, he I mean, guys, they don't really come back. the, you know, Conor McGregor hasn't fought. again since. >> I mean, he's throwing kicks with it. I've seen him spar with it. I don't I. mean, I there's a one guy who is a a. heavyweight in the PFL that apparently. came back and continued his career after. he See, you can find who that guy is. There's a heavyweight guy was in the PFL.

that snapped his shin like that and then. came back and and kept fighting. Weidman's have some fights since then. and he's actually even thrown that kick. since then. Yeah, but I don't think you're the same. >> Yeah, that would mentally uh get to you. >> Well, one leg now weighs more. Right. >> Right. >> Even if it's titanium, there's there's. more. There's screws. There's a bunch of. [ __ ] in there. And then I've got to. think that it feels different. There's.

no way. And then there's the. psychological thing like you've already. been through I mean I think Chris had to. go through some insane amount of. surgeries multiple surgeries to try to. correct it to fix it because it didn't. take right the first time because. >> you know you're you're hoping the bones. grow back together. You got a rod and. then screws and then you're hoping the. bone fuses all around it. And in some. circumstances, they have to make a. decision whether or not they go back in. another time and take all the supporting.

stuff out and just have your bone exist. normally. >> Yeah. And you don't want And then it's. like the risk of infection. It's it's. >> it's [ __ ] gnarly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's I have the hardest time. But I have a harder time watching women. get [ __ ] up than I do men. you know, maybe the sexist in me or whatever it. is. But. >> the UFC fights with women, they they go. for it. I mean, the men go for it, but. it just seems like the women are just. extra aggressive. >> Well, it just seems crazier when they're.

doing it, when they're beating the [ __ ]. out of each other for whatever reason. Like, there's a fight that happened at. the UFC Sphere when when they did it at. the the the Sphere in Vegas. We had one. event there and there's this lady uh. Arini Aldana who's a beast and she got a. cut in her forehead that I can't believe. the referee didn't stop the fight. because it looked like someone hit her. in the face with an axe like her entire. forehead was split wide open. Blood was. pouring out of her face and she's just.

That's it right there. Look at that. >> Oh my goodness. And she's marching. forward throwing bombs where blood is. like splattering. Like blood splattering. with every punch that lands on her face. >> And she's moving forward throwing B. It. was [ __ ] crazy. >> Yeah, she's a warrior. >> Oh my god. I mean, that's the beginning. of the cut. The cut got even worse than. that. It was horrible at the end. I. mean, it was [ __ ] massive. It had to.

be like a 6 in cut on her forehead. That. that's that's insane. >> Well, you could like see the whole. skull. Yeah. Like when I was. interviewing her, when I was talking to. her after the fight, you could see her. whole skull was like exposed. >> Yeah. I I you know, when we're talking. about the last doing Jackass Forever, we're talking about getting new cast. members and talking about bringing on. >> Yeah. Look at that. >> Some females. >> Look how crazy that is. >> And I was a little That's insane. >> Insane. >> That's insane. And I was a little.

hesitant. And then my uh uh assistant. uh Megan and I'm talking to other. they're like look guys do it what it's. like women can do it it and I was and I. I was forced to address it and let go of. it. Uh and I'm like all right it's. >> who was saying guys do it, women can do. it. Was it a guy or a girl? >> No, my assistant Megan. she and and a. couple of other uh friends that are.

women and then they're just like you you. got to stop looking at that way. And I. said all right and I just moved forward. and we got uh Rachel Wolfson and she was. fantastic. >> I love Rachel. She's at the club all the. [snorts] time. >> She's the best. >> She's fun. >> Yeah, >> it's a cool chick. >> Yeah, she's great. >> Um did is there a photo of a Rainy. Aldana's face now? >> See what it looks like it's all healed. up. It bothers me, man. I don't know. >> Did she uh How how many. >> That's not real. That's a filter. That's.

an Instagram filter, dog. There's no. way. >> That's an avatar. >> That's what she looks like now after the. scar. No, that's not possible. >> That's an avatar, right? >> Well, it's not possible that that that. went away. See, uh Google or run a search of Rainey. Aldana after the surgery. >> It's like two weeks ago. Yeah, but. that's all you can't. >> Well, there's makeup. I don't know. >> Makeup and filter. That's like That's. what she There you go. There you go. You. can see. Go back there.

>> Say that again. >> You can kind of see. >> Yeah. Yeah. When the light hits it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See it right there. Yeah. Wow. >> It looks pretty good. I mean, you can. see it, but it gives her character. [snorts]. >> Well, for a man for a man, that's pretty. dope, right? >> I don't know. I think I don't It looks. like she's pretty okay with everything. She is a she's a beast. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's an unusual woman that is. not just willing to do that and get her. face cut open like that, but also like.

march forward in a mask of blood like a. [ __ ] horror movie throwing bombs and. she was cut over her eye, her nose was. split open, giant cash on her forehead. and just marching forward. >> So they did and who and she was fighting. >> uh who was she fighting. >> and did they have a rematch? cuz I. assume the judge the the referee called. it after that. >> No, it went the decision. Yeah, she lost. the decision. >> What? They the doctor they go over the. doctor. He looks at he's like, "Ah, you'll never notice on a galloping. horse. Get back in there.".

>> I don't know. I don't know what the. referee was thinking because referees. have stopped fights for less injuries. >> Oh yeah. >> It's very subjective. >> Usually when it goes from your eyebrow. to the top of your skull, >> it's very subjective. Like one referee. or one doctor will say, "Let it go." And. then another doctor will go, "It's. over." And if the doctor says it's over, it's over. >> But a referee inspected it when it went. split up her head. >> Oh, yeah. They wiped it down. They. allowed her to continue. Yeah. She She. got cut. And. >> who is that referee who looked at and.

said, "Yeah, you're fine. Get back in. there, kid.". >> See if you can find video of it while. >> Look at her nose. The nose would have. stopped the fight. >> Nose is destroyed. Forehead's destroyed. I don't remember what she got hit with. Was most likely an elbow that did that. Who was she fighting? Norma Dumont. >> Norma Dumont. Norma Dumont's a beast, too. Who? Norma did. Norma won. >> But I don't What did she uh like? See if. we can find a video of it. The video of. it is gnarly because like and we're.

freaking out cuz we're doing the. commentary. I'm like, "Oh my god, this. lady is a savage.". >> What round did that happen in? >> That's a good question. I want I want to. say it was the second round, but I don't. totally recall. >> God was a video game. What? What did you just have? You just. had it. >> It's a video game. >> Oh, it's a video game. The video games. are so good. You can't tell the. difference now. That's the problem. >> You fight in the video game. >> Yeah. It's uh But again, it's I don't. know why. It's like when a woman gets. knocked out, it bugs me way more. Yeah.

>> I'm so used to guys getting knocked out. >> Yeah. >> When a guy gets knocked out, I'm like, I. hope he's okay. But when a woman gets. knocked out, it's like my stomach turns. I'm like I just You're sitting there in. your commentary chair. You're just like, "Oh, [ __ ] man." When someone gets. shinned in the head, just bang, and you. see them stiffen up. Like, there's. something about a woman getting knocked. out that I don't know why. >> Yeah. >> It's part my my brain is like, "No.". >> Yeah. >> I'm so used to men getting knocked out.

>> Yeah. Well, I mean, looks like you I. mean, you you've seen a lot of fights. I. mean, >> I've probably seen more people get the. [ __ ] beaten out of them than anybody. who's ever lived. >> Yeah. in person, like in person, watching elite fighters smash each. other, I've probably seen more people. get pummeled than anybody. >> Yeah. I wonder the number of knockouts. you've seen. >> Oh, it has to be in the thousands. I. don't know. I don't know. I don't know. how many fights I've called. I've. started doing commentary. Well, I.

started doing post-fight interviews in. 1997. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So, that was the first I worked at. UFC 12 in 1997. Now we're at like UFC. 324. So, and I've been there for a large. percentage of them. >> I hate to pivot, but what do you think. of Fedor? >> I love him. I love him. He's one of the. all-time greats. He was one of my. favorite fighters of all time. He's the. great the great tragedy is Fedor never. fought in the UFC against Kane Velasquez.

because they were both in their prime at. the exact same time and they could have. made that happen. >> I love Fedor. Pride fights, Tmaine and I. would we'd all get every time the Pride. fights were on, we'd always watch. >> Fedor. >> And dude, he was stoic. I mean, stoic. Like deadfaced. No matter what was going. on, it could be the most chaotic, insane. fight, getting blasted in the face. Never changed his expression like a. [ __ ] robot. >> Before the fight, all the fighters are.

jumping up and down, looking around, and. he looks like he's about to fall asleep. >> Yeah. Oh, he was amazing. His mindset. was [ __ ] impenetrable. >> You remember when Kevin Randleman. suplexed him? >> Oh yeah. >> And I've never seen someone get suplexed. on their head. and. not only push through it, but did he. submitted him pretty soon afterwards, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. He got him in an arm bar. like very shortly after that. >> That That still doesn't make any sense.

to me. >> Oh, he was a freak. He was he was a. freak, man. Here, look at his face. Look. how calm he looks. Yeah, >> here it is. SO, HE GETS SLAMMED. >> OH MY GOODNESS. >> And just rolls just rolls right into it. I mean, that was that could have knocked. most people completely unconscious. Could have separated your vertebrae. >> And look, he's still look how strong. >> and he reversed the position like. seconds later. >> And Randleman was good on the ground. >> Oh, [ __ ] yeah. Randleman was a world. class wrestler, >> but a beast.

>> But Fedor was special, man. He was. special. And this is like Randomman's. wearing wrestling shoes, too. He was. allowed to wear wrestling shoes. Pride. had a lot of crazy rules. >> that left of Fedors. >> Oh, everything, man. Everything. He was. the most complete. So, he pins down the. arm and he eventually catches him. I. think he caught him in in a kamura. A. kamura or a straight arm lock. It might. have been. Yeah, here it is. He caught. him in a kamura. Here it is. >> I mean, that's insane. >> Insane. >> Within a minute, he he.

>> turned it around. Well, he was the most. complete out of all those guys because. he was he was a guy that could fight you. standing up at an elite level, but also. in any kind of wild scramble. He would. catch an armbar off of his back. He. would submit you on the ground. He could. throw you. He could do everything. He. was the most complete out of all of the. heavyweights of his era. >> Yeah. I remember when he was fighting. Noggera, I was like, "Oh no, this is it. could go south for fatal." And. >> you thought so. Yeah. I was I was.

worried. >> Yeah. >> You know, because I you know, you like. you you look up to a fighter and you're. like, he can't lose. I don't want him to. lose. And I was worried about Noggera. But he beat him twice. Right. >> Yeah. And they were brutal. The ground. and pounds were [ __ ] brutal when he. was on top of Noah just bombing on. >> Yeah. I'm like, Fedor, don't go to the. ground with Noah because I'm just. worried. I'm like his aunt or something, but he No problem. >> No, he was he was awesome. you know, but. there's a time where a fighter can.

operate under that peak form and it's a. short window, you know, and I always say. when you're looking at the greatest of. all time, you have to look at them in. that peak window. You can't look at them. when they're fighting in their late 30s. and they probably shouldn't be fighting. anymore. Yeah, you got to you got to. judge them based on who they were in. their prime because every combat sport. athlete has a limited amount of time. where they can operate in their prime. >> Yeah. >> And Fedor in his prime was about as good.

as anybody who ever lived. >> I love hearing you say that. >> Yeah. He was I really. >> amazing. >> [ __ ] amazing. Yeah. But it's like. when we had Kane in the UFC, Kane. Velasquez, who was another superhuman. freak, also super stoic, which is go and. had cardio like no heavyweight ever, >> like freakish god-given cardio. >> Yeah. >> And they'd call him cardioane because he. would just put a pace on guys. Well, you'd see the look on their face and it. was like the second round they're like,

I can't do this. >> Yeah. Ready to go. just not even out of. breath, just smashing you over and over. and over again, picking you up, slamming. you down, like what he did to Brock. Lesnar. And Brock Lesnar was [ __ ]. terrifying. He was a 300lb man who was. built like a Viking. Like he just hopped. off of a [ __ ] ship with a battle axe. and Kane beat the [ __ ] out of him. >> I know that that was an amazing fight. And uh I watched Brock Lesnar body slam. We Man through a table at a restaurant.

one night. [laughter]. It was one of the best things we were. there. >> Was that a jackass? >> No. No. We were We were there to do I. was uh going to do Wrestlemania. I. believe it was Wrestlemania. against that low down and dirty Sami. Zayn. And we're at the restaurant. I. think we're at the Four Seasons in the. restaurant and we all had a couple of. drinks and Brock just comes by. He's. leaving. He comes by to say goodbye, you. know. And we man gets a little chatty.

we man got a mouth on him. So Brock just. scoops him up like a baby and he goes, "You're going through that table." And. just lifts him up over his head and bam, right through the table. It was one of. the best things I've ever seen. Just. [laughter]. It looked like one of those tables in an. Old West bar fight. >> This is it. >> Yeah. This is it. HE'S LIKE, "NO, WE MISS LIKE NO.". [laughter]. >> OH, Jesus Christ. That's a regular.

table, too. >> Oh, yeah. >> H. >> that's what you get for talking [ __ ] to. Brock Lesnar. [laughter]. It doesn't really compute in his head, I. don't think. >> Brock is a guy that like, you know, he. was NC NCAA division one national. champion, like elite wrestler. I always. wondered what would happen with him if. he didn't go into pro wrestling for so. long. If he just went into MMA right out. of his college career, I think he could. have been one of the all-time great. What are you going to do with that guy.

if if he's been training for that long? >> Well, he didn't train much in striking. at all. Like you could tell in the early. days his striking was, you know, he was. learning it. Obviously an elite athlete, a freak of nature physically, but he was. still learning striking and striking is. something takes a long time to really. get a a mastery of. >> Oh yeah. >> He wasn't, you know, so he it was just f. and he didn't need the money, didn't. need to do it. was already a giant pro. wrestling star.

>> Could have just stayed Brock Lesnar, but. just decided, >> I want to see what would happen if I. fight for real. >> He liked it. >> He beat a lot of really [ __ ] good. guys. >> Yeah. >> Which is kind of crazy. I He beat Randy. Couture, who's an all-time great. >> He beat Frank Mir who's, you know, an. all-time great. >> He's a freak athlete, you know. >> Oh, he's [ __ ] horrific. >> Horrific dude. >> Who's the young guy? Gable Stevenson. Yeah, >> I think he's a problem. >> His striking looks giant problem.

>> His striking looks good. >> He's a giant problem because he's a 250. lb man that moves like a 150lb man. He's. so [ __ ] fast for and so athletic for. a big guy and elite wrestling skills. I. mean, gold medalist in the Olympics. A. wrestling skills that that kind of. wrestling skill is like so hard to [ __ ]. with. Yeah, >> he's got that and ridiculous power and. speed in his hands and just this. >> there's a mindset that like some guys.

have like elite athletes have this like. unstoppable drive and discipline. Yeah. And he's got that and like he's going to. be a [ __ ] I sent Dana White a text. message because he had an MMA fight and. hit this dude with a left hook and then. as the dude's going out he [ __ ] slams. him to the ground. He landed the punch. and he had enough speed to close the. distance and [ __ ] slam him to the. ground while he's unconscious from the. punch.

>> Yeah. >> And I sent Dana White a text. I said I. said, "Everybody's fucked." I sent him. that clip. >> I sent him I sent Dana the same clip. >> Did you really? [laughter]. >> Dana, what what are we doing here? Gable's the first guy that I've ever had. in the studio that isn't even in the UFC. yet that only has had like a couple. fights where I was like I want to have. this guy on right away. Like look at. that. LIKE [laughter] [ __ ] SO that. speed is so insane. Look at that. This. the transition between he KOs him with a.

left hook and then look at this. Just. hops to the top of the octagon. >> But go back to the knockout cuz look at. the guy when he's on. You can see the. birdies flying around his head in that. one angle on the opposite angle. It's uh. I mean that is crazy speed and then. blast him with a punch all before the. referee can even get to him. That dude's. like, "What the [ __ ] just happened?". >> Yeah. >> He has a hard time getting fights. That's He'll probably be in the UFC. quicker than he should be because no one. wants to fight him. It's on the regional.

circuit, the smaller promotions, very. difficult to get a guy like that to. fight because you can't beat him. You. know, you can't. So, if you're you got. to be the type of guy like almost like. you are with stunts, like, "All right, >> let's [ __ ] do it. Let's see what. happens.". >> What you need. >> because you're not fast enough to avoid. the punches. You're not skillful enough. to stop the takedown. You can't do. anything about it once he's on top of. you. You're not getting back up. You're. just going to get pummeled. Like, what. are you going to do? And some guys are. just so gangster. They're like, "Let's. see how I do.".

>> You're just standing in front of a cold. >> But most guys are going to not fight. You're going to get that offer and. you're going to go, "Fuck that. I want. to be a world class fighter someday. I. got to get better. There's no way I'm. going to get better. If I fight that. guy, I realize how tall the mountain. actually is that I'm supposed to climb. But to any perspective fighters of Gable. Stevenson out there who maybe don't want. to fight them, take it from me, it. doesn't take that long to get knocked. out. It's going to be an easy night. You. know, it's going what, 15 seconds of.

your time? >> That's not the problem. The problem is. well, so like in boxing, okay, this is a. good, so boxing has always traditionally. done a way better job of preparing. fighters for worldclass fighters. So. even Mike Tyson, who was a phenom in his. prime, he fought a bunch of journeymen. in the beginning. >> Mitch Blood Green, >> well, he was good. Mitch Blood Green was. good. Mitch Blood Green went to. decision. >> Yeah. >> You mean he was a gang leader and a. crazy person? No, in the street fight,

Mike [ __ ] him up, but he also broke. his hand in the street fight in a. habeddasherie in Harlem, [laughter]. >> which is crazy. Slipped into the. literation. >> Yeah. I mean, they fought in a hab they. fought in a place where you make get. custom suits made. [laughter]. >> And why wouldn't you? >> Why wouldn't you? So, uh, that fight was. like Mitch Blood Green was a he was a. real pro. He was a real elite fighter. you want. But you go to the early days. of Mike Tyson where he's fighting guys. that have [ __ ] zero business being in. there with him. Yeah.

>> And these guys just took the payday and. just got knocked into orbit. And those. fights are some of the most fun fights. to watch because you realize you're. dealing with a guy who's going to be one. of the all-time greats. And you're. getting to see him when he's 19 and no. one had any idea what was coming. >> You know, like some of his first fights, people had heard rumblings. There's this. kid out of the Cat Skills. Everybody. talked about it, but until you saw him, you're just like, "Oh, God. Good lord.". >> Just all business, too.

>> All business. No socks. >> The the just the towel with a hole in. it, and it just. >> it was. >> throwback. Yeah, it was. But there was. never a throwback fighter like that had. just a towel over, you know, his head. walking into the ring. Well, you'd have. to go back to like the Jack Dempsey. days, which Tyson did. See, Tyson had. this advantage that his manager was Jim. Jacobs, and Jim Jacobs was a boxing. historian. And so Jim Jacobs had all.

these films of all the old school. fighters, Sandy Sadler, Willie Pep. Yeah. And so Mike would just sit and. watch all these great fighters, all the. old school guys, all the old Joe Lewis. fights on film, you know, all the Sugar. Ray Robinson fights, >> which there not a lot on film. I wish. there were cuz we never have prime Sugar. Ray Robinson. Like there's not a lot of films. >> Well, you can watch them on YouTube, >> but I I don't think like prime prime. I.

think after a certain. >> Oh, no. There's some prime Sugar A. Robinson. Yeah, you could watch some. great Sugar A Robinson KOs that are on. Yeah, >> he was another guy. I mean, I think he. had like 90 fights. I think he was like. something like 90 and0 before he had his. first loss. >> And then he went another 40 fights. before he lost the second. >> Crazy. >> Insane. But. >> crazy. And they were fighting all the. time back then. Yeah. >> Those guys would fight multiple times in. a year. It wasn't like today where, you. know, guys will like Canelo and.

Crawford, they talk about it. Like. Crawford hadn't had a fight in like a. year and a half. Like wasn't like that. back then. >> Fighting a few times a month. >> constantly. >> Yeah. >> But also, you know, then the end is so. sad because in the end, Sugar Robinson. had dementia and it's like he couldn't. talk. There's some interviews of him. later in life that are really, really. [ __ ] sad. >> Yeah. >> So, that's the thing about a guy. fighting Gabelson, Gable Stevenson. It's. not that Gable's going to beat you and. getting knocked out's not that bad. It's.

that your confidence is going to be. destroyed and you will get knocked out. easier next time, which is the problem. with getting knocked out. >> The glass Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can attest. to that. >> Is it to happen to you now? Like when. you get KO'ed easier? >> I get my knockouts. I got knocked out. easier. Yeah. It's the old glass jaw. >> You notice the difference? >> Yeah. I mean, what I could watch the. impacts. afterwards and that might not have got. me five or six years ago, but now it's.

just. >> you just go out. >> Yeah. >> How many times you think you've been. KO'ed? >> Uh about 16. >> Wow. >> And uh. >> that's a lot. >> Yeah. >> Have you ever gotten like brain scans. done and. >> Yeah. >> What do they say? Well, they're, you know, they're not the best brain scans they. ever looked at. [laughter]. I didn't win any awards for my brain. scan, Joe.

They're like, "Don't get any more uh. concussions.". >> But did they say there's anything going. on there that you need to be concerned. about? Uh well they they don't know. about. you know you can't detect CTE until. postmortem. >> right but do you have any lingering. issues like memory issues impulse. control? >> Uh the. I can well I don't know whether it's I'm. getting older or I can remember a lot of.

like things from four year like from my. childhood and that kind of thing. I have. complete recall, but what I did uh a. week ago, you know, it's it's up it's up. in the air. >> And do you think that's connected to the. head injuries. >> or is it just like aging? >> Cuz as you get older, >> well, there's the million-dollar. question, >> right? So, >> you seem okay. >> Yeah. >> Which is part of the problem. Like I. know a lot of fighters that seem fine,

but I know publicly or privately they're. struggling. I know they have like. issues, >> you know. >> Yeah. I'm uh I I after that that with. the magician one, I kind of went offline. for a few months, but I I completely. recovered. >> Went offline like how so? >> Uh just slowly over a period of months. I just got super depressed and anxious.

and fearful of everything. Uh just in my mind it was just a loop of. >> everything bad and is going to happen is. catastrophic thinking and ruminating. >> and uh. yeah it was my creative mind turned. against me. Right. Uh, and it was it was frightening. It. felt like you're in the bottom of a well.

looking up. And eventually I got on some medication. And. >> what kind of medication they give you. for that? >> Oh [ __ ] I can't remember. Um. but after couple of months on or. actually about. four to six weeks on the medication I. the colors came back and I started. feeling like myself again. And. >> did you lose sight of colors? Did you.

get colorful? >> No, that was uh just. >> metaphorically. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um and then I'm I'm not I went off the. medicine and I'm fine. But it was uh. yeah, it was pretty intense. >> So, do they do anything for that? Like I. I know there's some different therapies. they do for people that have. >> I did a a thing a transcranial magnetic. stimulation. >> That's what I was going to ask you. about. >> And I started that. and it was kind of I was in the middle.

of my episode. and. I started that. You do it over like six. to eight weeks. I can't remember. And I. remember at the first I'd start it and. I'd talk to the guy running it. But by. the end, the end of the eight weeks, I. was just kind of I wouldn't look at him. I wouldn't talk to him. And uh yeah, I. was just completely in my head all the. time. >> by the So it got worse progressively. then? >> Yeah. >> Wow.

>> Yeah, it got worse. But. yeah, the just medication and. uh I came out of it. >> Well, I'm glad you came out of it. >> Yeah, >> but that's a good reason to not do that. kind of [ __ ] anymore. That. >> That's why like I can't I don't I It was. >> It's too much. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, that's what I worry about. with fighters because like listen, you. and I are sitting here. We're talking. You're not slurring your words. You seem. fine. Everything's There's fighters that.

you see the slurring and you see the. mumbling of the words and yet they're. still fighting. >> Yeah. That's like Ali at the end. It was. >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. >> When he's doing those interviews around. the Leon Spinx fights and. >> Oh, yeah. >> You know, even Larry Holmes was sparring. with them, they they could. >> notice Oh, yeah. >> noticed the difference. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But it's like you.

How do you. It's tough to figure out how to. uh. He has a certain spirit in about him. And how do you outrun that champion? >> Yeah. And how do you outrun that? How do. you put that light out? And that's. that's the that's the problem. >> I think you have to plant that seed in a. fighter's head when they're young. Yeah. >> I don't think you could tell them that. this is going to be a ride that lasts. forever. I think you have to tell them.

there's going to be a time where we. realize we have to stop this. We have to. stop doing this and you're going to have. to trust me. >> because I'm on the outside and I'm I'm. going to watch you very carefully and. we're going to make sure that you you. never get to a point where you're. >> like I like a fighter that retires and. they can talk and they're fine and. they're good. Like I I like that. I like. when a guy gets out like Andre Ward is. one of my favorite fighters because not. just was he a two division world.

champion. Not only was like he he he an. elite boxer, but he retired undefeated. and never came back and now he's fine. He does commentary. You're hanging out. with him. He's got no lingering. problems. He's good. Like he got off the. right time. I like that. >> Yeah. I I often think what where would. it's a little it's sort of a pivot where. would Roy Jones be junior be ranked if. he retired after the Ruiz fight right. >> after he became heavyweight champion.

>> It's a very good question. I think that. was one of the biggest mistakes that he. ever did was going up to heavyweight and. then going down to 175 again. >> right because he wasn't a heavyweight. that was fat. It wasn't like he could. lose 25 pounds of extra fat that he put. on. No, he was shredded at 200 lb and. then lost 25 lbs of muscle. So, he had. to starve himself to get back down to 75. again. Cuz once your body gets. accustomed to carrying around all that.

extra weight, like that's your new. frame. And today, they would never say. do that again. Yeah. Like in the UFC, there's been some guys that had some. radical weight cuts like Alex Pereira is. probably the best example. But once he. went down to 185, he was cutting a. tremendous amount of weight to get to. 85. But once he went up to 205, now he's. a 205. He stays at 205. And now he's. even talking about going up to. heavyweight, which is crazy, >> right? >> But he's got the frame for it. But like. if he went all the way up to heavyweight.

and then tried to go all the way down to. 85 again, he would be so fragile. You're. so vulnerable. If you get hit, the guys. who dehydrate themselves significantly, they get KO'ed way easier. >> Yeah. >> And guys will tell you that like when. they cut the weight, they can't take a. punch. It's just different because your. brain doesn't rehydrate in time. So if. you're re dehydrating to make let's say. 170. If you're dehydrating to make 170, but you really weigh 200, you can get.

down to 170 for the weight. But once you. rehydrate and you're t 200 again for the. fight, you're you don't have water in. your brain yet. Yeah. >> Your brain's not re brain takes days. before it completely rehydrates or. >> it's dangerous. >> It's very dangerous. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But so that's the thing. It's like. you're talking about all the problems. that you have, but yet you're sitting. here, you're not slurring your words, you're laughing, you're coherent. We're. having a good time. And now think about. these guys that you see that start.

mumbling and their words all kind of. slur together and they. >> it's weird. You have a hard time. understanding them like. >> of rage. >> Yes. They 100% should not be fighting. and yet they're still fighting and. athletic commissions will even pass. them. >> Is does Vanderlay Silva still fight? Does he slur? >> Dude, Vanderlay Silva just had a boxing. match in Brazil that turned into a. brawl. So, so he was boxing this guy and.

the bunch of people jumped into the ring. and started brawling and one of the guys. that jumped into the ring KO'ed him, hit. him with a bare knuckle punch and. knocked him out cold where he falls back. and bounces and they have to drag him. out of the ring. So, while people are. there's a melee, there's like 10 people. fighting inside the ring and he's. stretched out cold here. Watch it, >> Jimmy. >> Trying to find a good version. >> He You can find it. >> He was amazing in the Pride fight.

>> Oh, he was a [ __ ] warrior. A savage. >> So crazy. >> But that that's another guy that's been. KO'ed so many [ __ ] times. I don't. speak Portuguese, but my friends who do. say you can clearly tell the difference. So here's the fight. So this is. afterwards. Boom. He gets. >> Oh my god, the back of the canvas. >> This guy just cracks him with a right. hand. He doesn't even see it coming and. he's out cold flat on his back and then. they just have to drag him away from all. these people fighting which is crazy.

>> Oh, that's sad. >> He's dead. Dead out. God. >> Yeah. And again, this is a guy that's he. got knocked out by Merkco Crocop. He got. headkick KO'ed. He got knocked out by. Rampage Jackson. He got knocked out by. some big [ __ ] scary shots. >> Crocop had legs like Earl Campbell. They. were just ridiculous looking. >> Yeah. No, he was he was one of the most. elite strikers that ever competed in. MMA. He was terrifying dude. That's the.

staredown between Vanderlay Silva and. Merco Crocop in my opinion is the. greatest staredown in the history of. combat sports because you've got a guy. who in Vanderlay Silva is one of the. most intimidating, terrifying MMA. fighters that ever lived. But then in. Merco Crocop, you got a guy who's a head. of an anti-terrorist squadron who's. [ __ ] probably murdered people. Like. look at look at look at the difference. That [ __ ] ain't scared of [ __ ]. >> Look at the stare down. >> Neither one of them are scared.

>> Yeah, I think might have been feeling it. a little. Yeah, that guy's looking. through to his [ __ ] soul. [laughter]. Mco is this 100% MKO wins this. staredown. Mco was looking through to. his [ __ ] soul, dude. Oh my goodness. >> That is a staredown son. Look at his. eyes. That is a serious man. >> And I mean, MKO, that ref's got his. hands full. >> Oh, yeah. Well, they always had their. hands full in Pride because they had. stomps and soccer kicks and it was a.

crazy organization. >> Did they test in Pride? >> No, not only did they [laughter] not. test, well, they did test. They didn't. do anything, but it was a fake test. You. get. >> A+ on steroids. Enen Inua is another. legend and just one of the all-time. greats and a pioneer of MMA from the. early days. Enson told me when he did. the podcast, he said they had in all. capital letters, we do not test for. steroids. [laughter] Like they wanted. you on steroids.

>> or growth hormone. >> They wanted you on it because look, if. you want excitement and you don't have a. sanctioning body, like why would you? Your your goal is to create the best. product. Like what's the best product? Bunch of juiced up [ __ ] psychopaths. beat the [ __ ] out of each other. Highly. skilled, juiced up savages going to war. That's what you want. You don't want. anybody who's dealing with normal. hormone levels. [ __ ] that. So they would. encourage people. I [snorts] I don't I.

didn't hear any rumors of Fedor doing. that. Do you think Fedor? I don't. >> Well, you can only speculate. You don't. know cuz he didn't look like he was on. steroids, right? because he had like. dadbod but jacked, you know, but he. carried along some extra body fat. because he didn't have to worry about. losing weight. But he came from the. Russian sports program, you know, and. they cheated with everything. The the. the reality of Have you ever seen that. movie Icorus? >> No. >> Oh, it's a great movie. Yeah. >> Oh my god. Brian Fogle made this.

documentary and it's it's a really. interesting documentary because he made. the documentary. This was the plan of. it. He was an endurance racer. So, he's. going to do a cycling race and he was. going to do it naturally. So, he does. does it, compares his numbers and then. he hires this guy uh Gregory Richenko. Is it Richenkov? >> You got it. I think he said. >> Richenko. >> Um who is that's the guy who is the head. of the Russian anti-doping and I'm.

making air quotes. Anti-doping program. [laughter]. And so during Yeah. Rechenko. Gregory. Richenkov. So during the filming of it, it turns out that the Russians get. busted because during the Sochi. Olympics, the entire. the entire roster of Russian athletes. was on roids. So what they did was they. cut a hole in the wall and they would. take both the piss that the Russians had.

given after the competition. They'd. sneak it through the hole and sneak in. some new piss and put it in its place. But what they had found was that there. was microabbrasions in the jars. They. supposedly had these unopenable jars. And the Russians had figured out a way. to like snake some sort of a utensil or. some sort of a a device and open up. these jars, swap out the piss, and put. in some fresh, clean piss in the same. jar. So this is while they're filming.

So he is being taught how to juice up by. this guy. So this guy is telling him. this is what you would take and this is. how much to take. So he's doing this. before preparing to go do this cycling. race juiced up. And while this is. happening, this guy has to flee Russia. because now he gets busted. And then he. starts telling Brian Fogle everything. He tells him how they run the program. So now to this day, this guy's hiding. He's in witness protection. They took.

his They arrested his family. I think. they took his family's money away. They. took their home away. They took. everything. And because they want him to. turn this guy in. So he's in witness. protection right now still in America. hiding because they'll assassinate him. if they find him. >> Oh yeah. >> Cuz this guy gave up the entire secrets. of the Russian doping program which led. to in the Brazil Olympics. Russia was. banned from the Brazil Olympics. Yeah, for the doping and so. this documentary is [ __ ] wild because.

it shows he tells every the only people. they didn't do it with was figure. skaters. They said the figure skaters it. didn't help and it actually hurt a. little bit to keep. >> they tried but it didn't help. >> Yeah. They want to keep them gay. [laughter]. >> They wanted to keep them like whatever. they wanted to keep them. They just felt. like there's something about giving them. testosterone, giving them uh human. growth hormone, steroids, it [ __ ] with. their fine motor skills and you you have.

it's like a such a delicate sport, you. know? It's a sport of it's just hand eye. coordination and balance and it didn't. help them to be on performance-enhancing. drugs. >> But you said keep them g I don't think. if you gave steroids to Johnny Weir it's. going to you know. >> you only one way to find out. [laughter]. No, I'm just kidding. >> That guy is uh um he's he's pretty. entertaining. Johnny Weir, [snorts]. >> was he a gay porn star? >> No, he was a Olympic skater, right? Johnny Is it Johnny Weir?

>> It's Johnny Weir. >> You you Oh, right, right, right, right. Fantastic. >> I don't know why I thought gay porn. star. >> I thought like if you're giving steroids. to a gay guy, what would be the the last. guy that you'd want to do it to to see. if you could turn him not gay? would be. a gay porn star, right? Like you give. him steroids and all a sudden he's like, "Why am I [ __ ] all these guys? This. is crazy. Thank you. You've cured me.". It turns out it wasn't pray the gay. away. It's inject the gay. >> Oh, that that that preacher pray the gay.

away. >> Yeah. Oh, those guys are funny. Those. guys are almost all gay. Those those gay. retreats. >> Yeah. It's like. >> they'll get together and hug it out with. boners. >> Yeah. Kind of sad. >> Just be just be how you're going to be, man. Don't like tell everyone what to. do. Just live your life however you want. to live it, you know. >> Well, this is a burden of responsibility. on some of us for being judgmental. And. for so long, I mean, being gay was so. dangerous to come out. You could get. killed, you get beaten,

>> you know, it I mean, >> it's a testament to our society today. that it is like not just accepted but. celebrated that people are gay. It's. because for so long it was so hard to be. gay. >> Yeah. >> You know, you know the touring test. Do. you know what the touring test is? >> Uh yeah. Well, Alan Turing was gay and. they I mean that's a ter that's a. terrible tragic story. The man. >> like really had a enormous impact on. World War II and but still he was he had.

to be closeted and then the I don't know. >> and then they chemically castrated him. >> Yeah. It was in England in the 1950s and. he's the guy who came up with the. touring test which is a way to determine. whether or not artificial intelligence. had achieved scent chance. Could you. tell if you're having and most people. believe that at this point in time you. can't tell like the touring test has. already been achieved. >> like they've already passed it. Like if. you talk to like perplexity which is. what I use for everything if I talked to.

it I I I would not know whether or not. that's a person or not. I mean, it can. communicate like a human. >> Yeah. >> And it can answer questions about any. It's just basically like. >> a super genius human being that I ask. questions to all the time on my phone. And I don't. >> I don't ever feel like this is a. computer. It feels like a [ __ ] person. that's just like you have a wizard that. you can ask ask any question of and it. can give you the answer. So that's Allan. Turing's invention was this test to.

determine whether or not you could. determine whether artificial. intelligence had achieved sensience. And. what did they do to this guy? They. [ __ ] they chemically castrated him. for being gay and he wound up committing. suicide. >> It's tragic. I mean uh all that he did. with in World War II to I mean he's the. father of the modern computer. He helped. break the. >> Enigma code which was considered. unbreakable. >> Yeah. >> And and just his country turned his back.

on him and all. >> everyone like him really. >> And not even that long ago. That's. what's crazy. Like people who were alive. back then are still alive today. And. that's how much the world has shifted. >> Yeah. >> In you know whatever it's been 80 years. It's kind of crazy. >> Yeah. >> Not even 80 years. 70 years, right? Crazy. >> Yeah, that Yeah, I'm fascinated by uh. World War II and the characters from. that.

>> Oh, yeah. No, World War II is a nutty. time in history. And it's also the in a. lot of people's eyes in America, one of. the reasons why people are so fascinated. with World War II. It's the last time. Americans got to feel like real heroes. >> Like, we [ __ ] did it. We turned back. the Nazis. We defeated them, >> you know? We stopped we stopped this. takeover of the world by the most evil. group that we've ever seen assembled in. modern history. And America came back. and there's that photograph that famous.

photograph I guess it's in Time Square. where that that soldiers kissing that. woman. >> you. >> that was staged right. >> I believe it was. >> unfortunately. >> um because the wars after that were. muddy. There was not like this is a good. guy, this is the bad guy. It's like, >> and then in Vietnam, it's not you're not. taking a hill. You can't It wasn't about. that. It became just the number of. casualties. And it was. >> Well, also it didn't it was a war that. didn't make any sense. No. No.

>> We found out later on that it was a war. that was started under false pretenses. >> Sure. Well, there's there's been a few. of those. >> Well, that was the one that's the most. obvious. The Gulf Gulf of Tonkan. incident is the most obvious and proven. Like now it's it's not a conspiracy. theory. They staged a false flag. They. lied to the American people. >> It's the same thing Hitler did in the. Poland. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Did you ever read uh Blitzed? >> No. >> It's uh Norman Oler wrote about Hitler.

marching through Poland and about all. the drugs that they were giving. >> Oh yeah, the Perveton. The They would. get jacked up on Perveton. >> [ __ ] meth. They had capsules. Meth. capsules. And the people at the front of. the line got the most meth. Yeah, >> they they dose people up according to. where you were, >> but they realized that had diminishing. returns because they're just jacked up. all the time and they're not sleeping. and then it just starts falling off. >> Yeah. >> But by then they were addicted and um.

>> Well, it turns out you could do it for. three days and get all the way through. Poland. >> Yeah. >> That's how they did it. Three days, no. sleep, just And Hitler was like, "I know. how we could do it. Just meth everybody. up and have a march." Well, he was. taking more drugs than anyone. >> Oh, yeah. >> Just. >> Well, he had his own doctor that wasn't. a part of the. >> shady ass doctor. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's all in the. book. The book is fantastic. It's really. good because it's just like And he said. that most of what Hitler was on was.

actually opiates. >> Yeah. Yukinol. >> Uh [snorts]. Pervatin. Uh. >> well, Pervatin is a meth, right? It's an. >> Pervitan is the meth, but I think. Yukinol was an opiate. Can Will will. you? He was on a lot of [ __ ] Yeah. >> Uh a lot of different things. >> Do you know that he also had a genetic. anomaly that would lead to his testicles. not descending and. >> Yeah. Like Yeah. I think it's called. Corman syndrome or something like that.

>> Yeah. It was an opiate. He. >> Yeah, [snorts]. >> it's I think it's called Halman syndrome. or something like that. Whatever he got. >> What is it called? Morel was like. Elvis's doctor. >> Yeah. So they got blood from the fabric. What was it called? What was the syndrome called? >> Microp penis. >> Yeah. Well, it definitely micro penis. was the common. That's what it is.

Common syndrome. So what it was was they. found blood from the couch where. supposedly Hitler committed suicide. They took that blood and matched the DNA. to Hitler's bloodline. So they knew it. was a male and they knew the blood came. from someone in Hitler's family. >> So they're reasonably assured that this. is Hitler. And then they found that they. had common syndrome. So researchers analyzing blood stained. cloth from the sofa where Hitler died. found genetic marker linked to calman.

syndrome disorder is a form of. hypogonatropic. hypogonatism which resulted in. insufficient production of sex hormones. and can prevent or delay puberty. >> Makes sense. >> Yeah. >> Right. Meth dude. >> Yeah. >> Little dick. >> Tiny dick. >> No balls. >> Most evil man in history. >> Wants to [ __ ] the whole world. >> Maybe one ball. >> Maybe one ball. Well, he was diagnosed. with one undescended testicle. That that. was a a fact from one of his medical. reports. One of his testicles like stuck.

up there. >> Yeah. It's uh. >> he had some He had some problems. He had. some issues. >> Yeah. >> What a [ __ ] monster. >> Speaking of meth, we we always talk. about this documentary that Johnny had a. hand in. >> Oh, that's right. >> All the Wild and Wonderful Whites of. West Virginia. I [ __ ] loved that. documentary, dude. >> Thank you. >> That documentary was crazy. How did you. get involved in Thank you, Jamie. How. did you get involved in that? >> Um, a friend of mine knew Julian.

Nitsburg, and Julian is the one who. found Jessico White. Uh, uh, he Jess, uh, Julian was doing a. another documentary. on um, oh [ __ ] Uh, [ __ ] I can't remember right now. But. they're like, "Hey, do you want to meet. Julia Nitsburg?". And I'm like, "Yeah." And so I talked to. Joy and he told me the story of his.

being involved with Jessica White, the. first docu. You saw the first one, right? >> Uh, >> you did more than one? >> No. No. The first one, uh, Jacob Young. did. Uh, Julian Nitsburg found Jessica. White, went to Jacob Young and said, "Hey, look at this guy. Look at this. character." And it came out on videotape. and. if you saw it back in the late 80s, early 90s, it was usually like a copied. over fourth. >> Is this the dancing outlaw one? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that's what.

>> that's not the wild and wonderful white. That was yours, right? >> Yes. And so I was talking to Julian and. I'm like, well, what do you think. Jessica's up to now? He's I don't know. And so we got some money together and. sent him to talk to Jessico. and his family. And now because of uh. just. generational neglect and all the young. kids coming up, he's like he was like,

you know, the the wildest one in the family, but. now he's like the eighth wildest. All. the [laughter] younger ones are much, you know, more intense. And we came back with three days of. footage and we're like, "Holy shit." And. I we show we cut something together and. took it to my friends at MTV and. uh they're like, "Yeah, okay. We'll give. you some money." They weren't even sure. They're like, "You guys haven't, you.

know, uh. failed us yet." So they just pushed the. money our way and we came back with. that. We were It was It was wild. It's a. [ __ ] amazing documentary. >> They're charismat a charismatic family, a charismatic bunch of outlaws. >> Yeah. Well, it's certainly entertaining. and it's also an untold story about that. part of the country and how they've been. ravaged by pills. >> in and well, they've been ra first first. of all, they were ravaged by the coal. companies, >> right?

>> Jacking their town and then you can only. buy stuff from the company store and. then when the coal's gone, [ __ ] you. we're out of here and the town's just. left, you know, massacred and then. with no thought of what happens to those. people. >> Yeah. >> And you see how. >> uh that can make the whites and anyone. in that area feel, right? And so like, oh, the man, we're going to stick it to.

the man. The man stuck it to us. We're. going to stick it to the man. >> Yeah. with, you know, they're all they. all get checks for disability checks. and, you know, they're. I don't know. It's just it's just pretty. sad. >> It's very sad. Entertaining and sad at. the same time. Like it's like you're. very conflicted. Like you want to laugh. at them, but you're also like oh my god. Like there's kids there. Like there's. there's families here. They're all. [ __ ] up. Like the kid doing back flips. cuz he's high on Mountain Dew. >> Yeah. Yeah. and he's talking about stabbing I forget.

which boyfriend of Subobsk. >> It's crazy. It was intense. >> Yeah. But it's both funny and. entertaining but also like deeply. disturbing at the same time because you. realize especially towards the end of. the film where they want to get out of. this life like they're trying to clean. up, you know, and she's trying to get. off pills and. >> Yeah. Yeah. But I, you know, it's tough when you're raised in an.

environment and, you know, you don't. know how to get out. You have, you don't. have those tools. >> Well, there's no clear path. There's no. clear path out of there. And everywhere. around you is [ __ ]. >> Everything's [ __ ] Everyone's [ __ ]. There's no good examples of people that. figured it out, got their [ __ ] together. There's no one cool uncle that, you. know, went straight. Mhm. >> Well, there is part of the family that. moved to Michigan and they started. flourishing. I think we.

>> Oh, that's right. Yeah, that's right. So, >> that's the movie. >> But it's it's Yeah. >> [ __ ] hard. >> Yeah, it's hard. >> Yeah. It's like I think there's unfor. there's just forgotten sections of our. country when it comes to just extreme. despair and poverty and just overall. like you said [ __ ] over by the coal. companies, [ __ ] over by pills. Everyone's addicted. Everyone's.

just like this long history of crime. And when you're raised in that. continually, it's it's how do you see a. way out? You know, it just. >> I don't know. It's it's pretty. >> pretty sad. >> Did But when you filmed it, did you. think it was going to be sad or did you. think it was just going to be crazy? Like. >> you don't know what you're walking into, >> right? >> You have no idea. Um. uh so.

uh what came back was it was very. impactful and and you couldn't turn. away. It it just Yeah, there's a lot of. [ __ ] that really pulls on your. heartstrings, but they're so charismatic. and they have such a a way about them. It. I don't know. It makes it. uh. their their sense of humor like helps.

ease you through it about the situation, but still it's a situation. >> Did you take them to the premiere or. anything? Did any of that? >> We we we flew uh Jessica and my in for. uh the premiere. And I remember I he he was going to tap. dance at the uh premiere and he's got. his. tap shoes which were uh his father Dray.

White's tap shoes there. I was and. they're just in a plastic. pharm pharmaceutical bag. but I dropped them when I got out of the. car and I was just hard. I just like I. feel I felt terrible. But uh their. characters, they it was pretty wild. meeting Jessico and my friend Storm I. grew up with. He helped produce.

I remember me Jessico White and Mike. Judge was sitting in a bar before having. drinks. >> Oh, Mike Judge was involved in this too. >> No, no, he's just a friend of mine and. he was like, I want to meet Jess and my. >> I love that guy. My judge is cool as. [ __ ]. >> He's so talented. >> Very, very talented. >> So bright. The man was an engineer. starting out, then a music and. he's uh he's an interesting character. >> Very very interesting guy. But like how.

did they react to the film and and. watching people watch them and laughing. and going crazy? They they from I mean. at the premiere they seemed they really. enjoyed it. You know, it's. [clears throat and laughter] like. >> it's a big thing. You see yourself up on. screen. I I know the the subject matter. is is tough, but I don't know. That's. >> that's their life, right? They're not. surprised by anything, >> right? >> It's just, you know, >> what happened with them after the film?

Uh, >> do you follow up on them? >> Every now and then Julian will send me. something. One of them will be in the. news for uh this or that. Uh, you know, I I haven't I I haven't. >> stayed in I never I didn't stay in. touch. >> What' you say, Jamie? >> Subab's on TikTok with her daughter. >> Oh, boy. Got the best voice. >> Yeah, >> I was always the sexy one. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> How do you even get that voice? That's.

crazy. >> Yeah. What a voice. >> Have you ever thought about doing a. follow-up? >> It I I don't Someone else can. I don't I. don't. >> We We did it and I think we moved on. I. I think at some point. >> it's a little much to go back to that. Well, I I don't I don't I don't feel. right about it. >> Right. A little exploitative. Yeah. >> I don't feel right about it. >> Yeah, that makes sense. Do you do you.

have aspirations to do other stuff? Do. you have like any other things that. you're trying to do? >> Uh. well, I mean, in uh the film world, sure. Um. uh so. yeah, there's I have a lot of pro I love. doing documentaries. I have a couple of. documentaries I'm trying to get off the. ground. Um, and. you know, well, one on David Allen Co, who's who.

Julia Nitsburg was going to direct. Do. you know who David Alan Co is? >> Yeah. >> He's a country singer, songwriter, who's like was the he from the age of 9. to 35, he was institutionalized. You know, his parents just kind of was. too much and they put him in the boy's. home. and he was the head of the outlaw. motorcycle gang for a while. He uh had. eight or nine wives for a while. He.

formed his Yeah. At the same time he. formed [laughter] he formed his own. religion. He wrote his own his you know. wrote a book. Uh he he was a and oh the. best. I have to show you a picture in. and he also wrote some racist songs. while he was in prison and Shell. Silverstein convinced him to record. those when he got out. Uh I turned my.

phone off. >> Shell Silverstein, the guy who wrote. children's books. >> and uh a boy named Sue and on the cover. of the Rolling Stone. Shell Silverstein. wrote a lot of songs. >> Wow. and. and he convinced a couple of the songs. are, you know, racist and can't really. there's no defense to them. He's lived a. very complicated life. But in the 80s, he decided, I'm going to become a. magician. And I have a picture of him with his v.

and a ventriloquist. And I I'll show it. to you in a second. It's pretty. uh he's the most frightening [ __ ]. ventriloquist you've ever seen. >> [laughter]. >> like and and the weird thing is uh the. the magicians uh Pen and Teller credit. him as one of their influences. Um. >> is that him with his dummy? >> No, it's Terry. >> Okay, let me uh find it real quick. So, it's an incredible story, but it's.

just hard getting uh something like that. made now for people who aren't wanting. to. Okay, come on. I'm I'm bringing up. So, it's we're trying to tell that story. >> And so, just whatever just strikes your. interest, like things that you find. fascinating. [laughter]. Can I airdrop this to Jamie?

>> Yeah. >> How do I do this? Here we go. >> And his son, Tyler Co. does that. podcast, Cocaine and Rhinestones. It's a. brilliant podcast. His his son's really. sharp friend of mine. >> It says airdrop code required. And so that's how you decide things just. based on like what's interesting. Just. like. >> Yeah. I don't know what house to decide. things. >> Look at that. >> David Al. Look at his bell buckle. Look. at that bell buckle. >> Oh yeah. What a scary looking dude with a dummy.

>> His his son Tyler's like, "I thought. that thing was real when I was growing. up." You know, it's because he made it. seem that way. >> Well, [snorts] there's a weird. connection between a really good. ventriloquist and their dummy. That gets. very odd. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's like in the Twilight Zone. episode where the the guy has the dummy. Do you ever see that? >> No. >> Oh, it's great. It's a Twilight Zone. episode where the dummy and the guy are. having conversations when no one's. around. the dummy is alive and then I. think the dummy kills the guy and then.

um but I had a a guy that I used to work. with way back in the day. His name was. Otto and George and uh he was a. ventriloquist comedy act and uh George. was the dummy and Otto was the guy and. Otto would be like I can't believe you. saying these things and George would say. like really [ __ ] up and George was a. evil looking dummy with like crazy. eyebrows. He was a legend. Like a comedy. legend. That's Otto and George. >> Oh wow. >> Yeah, >> they were a little too close.

>> It was a little close. Like he would be. driving in the car and George would be. in the trunk and he would tell the guy. driving, "Pull over. I got to check on. George." Like like he felt like he had. to pull over and talk to the dummy. And. he'd get out by the side of the road, pop open the trunk and hear him back. there like just [ __ ] around with the. dummy, like looking at it, talking to. it. Then he put it back in and drive. off. Like he would get in his head that. the dummy was needed to be checked on. >> How does a guy like that operate in.

life? I mean, did. >> he's dead now, unfortunately. >> We all end up that way. >> He partied hard, >> right? >> Like he had uh he was an enthusiast. Um. >> relationships, >> uh I don't know. I mean, I never heard. about him being married or anything like. that. I don't believe he had any. children, >> but he was nuts. He was like, it was a. like I never got to know him all that. well. It was I worked with him a ton of. times, but it was always like and he's. like, "Hey, Joe, how are you?" You know,

he'd have his dummy there, but you would. just Everybody would go to the back of. the room when Otto would go on stage. We'd all want to watch it. That was his. relationship, the dummy. >> Well, that was, you know, I don't know. if he had other relationships, but that. was a big one. And one time uh he was uh. he was going back and forth with some. guy in the audience and the dummy was. saying horrible things to this guy and. the guy stabbed the dummy. Guy jumped up. on [laughter] stage and stabbed the. dummy. >> It was at Dangerfields. Yeah, I think it.

was at Dangerfields. >> What a brilliant move. >> Yeah, >> that's inspired. >> Yeah, I mean he was a part of the. program. The guy was a part of the. performance. jumped up and stabbed the. dummy. >> cuz he was just. >> That's probably worse than stabbing him. You know, he's heartbroke. >> Well, I mean, you know, I'm assuming the. guy was doing it for fun, but unless he. thought the dummy was actually the. problem, [laughter].

>> that critical thinking. >> I think they're do I think they're. actually doing a documentary on Otto and. George. I think there's Yeah, I think. someone's working on that right now. >> So, that would be interesting. Yeah, he. was he was a legend on the East Coast. during the 1980s and the 1990s. Like we. all knew Otto and George. >> Wow. I I completely missed that. >> Yeah, but you know, like a lot of people. that are brilliant, he was out of his. [ __ ] mind and never really got. traction in terms of like a real. national career, but he was very funny. and a really good joke writer. He was a.

funny guy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because they don't have that. little extra side of them to. >> business part. Yeah. >> The business part was missing. M. >> yeah, it was just just a maniacal. genius. >> Yeah, [laughter]. >> I I I have something to do after this. I'm going to look up Otto and George. >> Yeah, it's something to look up. Uh. listen, man, good luck on Fear Factor. Thank you. I hope it runs another 148. episodes just like when we did it back. in the day. And I hope nobody gets hurt.

>> Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate. you having me on. >> Oh, my pleasure. It's great to meet you, man. You've entertained the [ __ ] out of. me over the years. Thank you. >> And give me a lot of anxiety as well. I'm glad you're okay for the most part. >> Well, thanks for doing this. And tell. everybody when does it air? When does. Fear Factor start? >> Uh, it uh premieres tomorrow. Oh, no, excuse me. Premieres tonight, the 14th. >> Okay. >> Sorry. I've been on a whirlwind kind of. thing. So, it's on tonight. >> Awesome. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. All right. Well, good luck. [music]. >> Thank you. Thank you. All right. Bye, everybody.

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