Joe Rogan Experience #2430 - Jay Anderson

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> We're live. What's happening, [music]. man? Nice to meet you. >> Hey, it's great to meet you as well, Joe. I uh really really appreciate you. taking me out here. >> Oh, my pleasure. I've enjoyed your. content for quite a while now. So, it's. >> Well, I'd be interested to know when was. it that you first started getting. interested in what I was doing? What. kind of subject? What topic? Wish I. remembered.

>> cuz I know you followed me for a couple. years. It was before the Cafra pyramid. scans and stuff like. >> you know I'm into the UFO subject and. things like that but I wasn't sure. >> Well, it's all the silly [ __ ] that I. love. [laughter]. >> I hear you. >> Silly and serious at the same time. Ancient civilizations, mysteries, and. obviously aliens. >> Oh, yeah. And it's all cotangent. It all. connects together. That's. >> I think so, too. We actually played a. clip uh we had did a podcast yesterday. with uh Dr. Michael Masters. >> Love him. Yeah, I've told him a couple. times. >> Very fun, very smart guy, very.

interesting guy. But we played uh we. were talking about the he has a theory. that aliens are human beings in the. future. It's very strange theory. >> um. >> based on like kind of the. anthropological. >> view and the physiology and how that. might have happened over time. >> And there's also what what was the. model? There's the many worlds theory. and then what was his model? There's a. different one that the the concept is. you could if you lived in the future, you could go back in time and it would. not affect the future because everything. that's supposed to happen is already. happening and you were supposed to go.

back anyway. >> Okay. >> Interesting. Okay. [laughter]. >> I try to get my head. But anyway, during. that time I asked him about the. tridactyl mummies and then we played. your clip. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. We played the clip that showed all. the scans. We talked about Jesse. Michaels and how he went down to Peru. and actually touched those things and. was there with them and how surreal it. was. >> Yeah, I was in Peru recently not to go. and see the Nazca mummies. I wish I. could have seen them. I was out there to. look at all the megalithic studies and. the excavations going on at Saxo Woman,

which is an incredible megalithic site. in Kusco. But the Nazca mummies, I mean, what's interesting about it is that. obviously you're going to have a big. knee-jerk reaction to something that's. so incredibly profound as the idea of. these being non-human intelligences that. are mummified. But when you actually. look at the CT scans and the X-rays, you. start to realize that this can't be. faked. You can't fake bone cartilage. You can't fake capillaries and heart. valves and a fetus inside the body. So, >> it's so nuts, >> dude. It's crazy. Some of them have eggs. inside them. Some of them have fetuses.

Like, >> it looks like the eggs are big like. inside them. And these are small beings. These ones are meant to be like the. little kind of like 60 cm beings with. like three eggs inside them. Then you. got the big one, Monserat, which has an. actual fetus, like a baby not in an egg. So, it's like, if these are all real, it. does feel like there was some sort of. genetic experimentation going on where. they're just churning out prototypes of. some form. >> Do you think that's it? Or do you think. that there used to be another type of,

for lack of a better word, primate? >> Well, the thing is, >> is that a primate? I mean, what is that? I mean, some of them they're leaning. more towards like reptilian anthropod. kind of lineage. So, like the bigger. ones seem to be more mamalian, whereas. the smaller ones with the eggs are. sharing reptilian traits. So, it's like. there are all these different variations. with these different bodies, different. kind of like physiological um. characteristics, which is why it's like, okay, well, is this one lineage or is. this just someone kind of like tweaking? All right, well, that one failed, that. one's not working. This one grew wings.

or I [ __ ] that one off. Like, you. know, it's just weird. is that so your. thought is that these are the products. of experiments. >> I mean if you look at Jesse when Jesse. Michaels did his documentary one thing. he mentioned I can't remember um where. he got this from but he was saying that. the original translation of the area of. Nazca from the original language was. like the area of experiment and genetic. cloning or it was like a really strange. definition for the actual area that kind. of says experimentation and genetic.

modification. And I can't remember the. exact quote, but this was something that. he brought up in the documentary. I was. like, "Huh?" Okay. >> Then you have all of these various. different examples. >> Can you I ask you, yeah, who said that? Who called it that? >> So Jesse, when Jesse Michaels put out. his documentary, there was just a scene. in it. Now, my memory is failing me a. little bit, but there's a scene in here. where he was talking about the Nazca. region, and he said that the original in. the original language, this translates. roughly to the area of experimentation.

and genetics of some form. >> But how do they know what those terms. were? >> I I agree. I agree. But it's just a. weird little caveat that he brought up. in the documentary. I'm not quite He'd. probably be rolling his eyes at me now. like, "Dude, I actually [ __ ] know. exactly what this is." Like [laughter]. making you look like an idiot. Yeah, I'm. butchering it. But I do that all the. time. Oh, for sure. But I but just the. fact that these things exist and they. exist in an area of the world which is. full of mystery. I mean the megalithic. sites around there like I said that's. what I was out there for to see these.

different megalithic sites and the. Nazcalines. >> and uh you know saxwoman and in the. sacred valley you just have like. incredibly complex architecture. You. know rosecourt granite diorite andite. these incredibly hard stones like in. Egypt. But honestly, I find Peru even. more baffling than Egypt with the. architecture because of just the the. level of interlocking precision that you. see and the the fact that it looks like. they've softened the stone in Sax Woman. It looks like marshmallows like all. squished together and it just invokes a.

lot of different theories from people. about how they were actually. manipulating the stone. >> Yeah. Because it doesn't seem like it. was just carved. No. >> Right. Like it it does seem like there's. some areas where chunks are have been. removed from, you know, the quaries, but. when they're all pieced together, when. you see those weird like curvatures to. it, it's like, what were you guys do? And perfect precision. >> Perfect precision. And like sometimes. you'll see like these corners where just. a tiny bit of stone is jutting up and. then the other two are connecting into.

it. It's like this is such a ridiculous. level of complexity for an apparent 600y. year ago bronze age bronze chisels and. stone hammer tool wielding civilization. and and also in Peru is what I find very. interesting is you've got a brilliant. visual contrast to use when you look at. what is the Inca work which is the rough. cut stone the mortar brick using walls. like this is all present in Peru next to. the megalithic sites and the mainstream. will attribute all of this to the Inca. of 600 years ago go. But you'll see that.

the stone walls that are rough cut and. use cement and mortar, they're still. standing. They're pretty pristine. They're looking good next to megalithic. multi-tonon slabs of granite that are. broken to pieces and strewn across the. hillside. So, it just looks like there. was a lot of desolation, potentially. geological trauma in this area and then. these people, the Inca, discovered these. sites, built around them. You can see in. like the cracks and corners of all these. megaliths that there's like stone walls. that they've tried to kind of, you know, reinforce. It's very visually obvious.

actually when you go out to these. places. >> Isn't it fascinating that people aren't. willing to consider the possibility that. this is from an older time like that? It's heresy. >> It's just such a knee-jerk reaction, man. Like I think at the end of the day, we're still using models from like. 1800's explorers, right? And it's. [laughter] like what the [ __ ] Like. we've moved forward. There's a lot of. contradicting evidence and data in a lot. of these countries whether it be you. know Gobeclete in Turkey or the. potential infrastructure below the Giza. plateau and then the incredible uh.

megaliths in Saxa in Peru like Sax. woman. It just feels like what we're. doing is rehashing the same status quo. orthodoxy and it's coming up against a. everpiling higher mountain of evidence. And one of the cool things that I got to. do out in Peru was go to Saxa Woman. where they've got current archaeological. digs going on uh through the Chinkana. project which is a archaeological team. out there and they're doing digs and. they have actually discovered below like.

10 meters down into the ground precision. carved blocks of stone that are coming. out of the earth and this is where in. this region in Kusco the Andian legends. are that there is a vast labyrinth below. ground connecting Kusco to Saxa woman. connecting Saxa woman to the sacred. valley all spreading out across the. Andian mountain range and this is like. an old legend this is what the shamans. and the you know sacred keepers of. knowledge would say in Peru we're. finding evidence for it we're literally. going underground now and seeing that.

there are actually really precise. elements of infrastructure below Sako. woman and they're just beginning to. uncover this I was one of the first to. go down there and actually see these. blocks myself and it's just like this is. happening Now that you know we're. actually getting to a place where we can. start to validate some of these. forgotten myths and folklores or if you. want to call them conspiracies or. pseudocience from the archaeological. side of things, it's being evidenced. now. >> That [clears throat] that's mad. So.

these tunnels and c like what what is. exactly the structure that's supposed to. be down there and what have they. discovered? So, it's it's supposed to be. called the Chinkana, like the labyrinth, and there's a few different chinkana. entrances around the range. >> How big is it supposed to be? >> Vast, multiple kilometers. It's. stretching from down Sax of Woman down. into Cusco and then off into the Andian. mountain range to the Sacred Valley. >> It's very similar to some of the stuff. that they found in Egypt. That's banana. >> Yes. And then what's interesting is you. have the same hallmarks and signatures.

that you see in Egypt. So, you see the. stone knobs, you know, these little. protrusions that you get. I'm I'm. addicted to those, man, because they are. all over the world. >> Do you have any theories? >> I mean, I've listened to a lot of. theories. I I certainly think that the. >> We should show an image of it for people. that are don't know what we're talking. about. >> Stone. >> There's all of these incredible massive. stones that have been somehow or another. moved from a quarry sometimes that were. hundreds of miles away. They all have. these weird nubs on them and no one.

knows what they are. And there's a bunch. of theories like maybe they help them. move these things. You see them all over. the place. >> and no one quite knows what those are. >> India, you see them in um Egypt, you see. them in Peru. This is in Ole and. Tentambo in the Sacred Valley. >> Missing this is one of the things that's. so infuriating about people that are. arrogant about gatekeeping information. and being the only ones that are allowed. to distribute the truth. Air quotes. We're missing so much. There's no way.

you really know. huge gaps of knowledge. >> We're missing so much. And more time. goes on, as Graham Hawk Graham Hancock. always says, [ __ ] just keeps getting. older. >> And now they just pushed back the use of. fire by 300,000 plus years. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Like it just keeps going. It's not going. forward. It's going backwards over and. >> and anatomically modern humans, I think, have gone much further back now in time. They're looking at 800,000 years. And. so, you know, plus plus. >> plus possibly even a million. Th this is. what weirds me out about about these.

creatures. Like human beings have gotten. to the point multiple times where we. were almost extinct. Uh the Toba volcano. I think we got down to. >> god was it. >> 7,000 people. Is that like the low. estimate? >> Damn. Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. It was it's a crazy story. Like super volcanoes are unbelievably. devastating to just all life, you know, because it just changes the temperature. of the earth, the entire surface, whatever doesn't get blasted out of the. the ground by the actual volcano itself.

All the other stuff on the other side of. the world gets [ __ ] Like it's just it. just ruins everything. We got down to. like a few thousand people. >> And then there was another time where. one of these guys came, God, I forgot. who that was as well. They were we were. talking about the the reality of uh. glaciation, right? And about what. happens during ice ages and how. devastating it can be. >> And they were saying that we had gotten. at least multiple times in the history. of the earth to the point where it was. incapable of sustaining life. >> Wow. >> That within a few, you know, like.

whatever parts per million of carbon. dioxide are necessary to support plant. life, we literally got to the part where. there was almost impossible to support. life. and then it rebounded and. everything's fine. So, there's so much. we don't know. This is so crazy to try. to pretend, you know, that people 600. years ago make this because we know. people 600 years ago lived there. We. have a lot of archaeological evidence. and we have. >> but you have weird structures on top of. obviously much more intricate and.

complex structures. >> Yeah. And again, they share the same. signatures as places like in Egypt and. they think you're a. >> cook. Yeah, they do. And it's just a. knee-jerk reaction. It's it's again it's. adherence to a status quo and and you. know you get channeled through a very. kind of fine wall in academia and I I. think that it can it can be a real. detriment actually to opening up your uh. ideas and and being a little bit more. expansive with what could be possible. because you do get put into a very. restrictive uh format in in the. traditional academic sense. And.

obviously you have, you know, the. pressures of of funding and and things. like this, and it's you're not going to. get the funding if you're talking about. this crazy [ __ ] And it's just like a. self-fulfilling. uh censoring, you know. Um but with the. rise of alternative media, >> we're changing the game a bit because. you can actually put a voice out there. You can put an idea out there. It's not. completely stonewalled by the academic. circle. They can't actually prevent. people from discussing these ideas in an. open media format like this, >> right? And if you put a video like you. did on X or on YouTube, people can like. like the video that you did on the.

aliens, whatever they are, whatever they. are, people can see the CT scans. >> You see the CT scans and you you're. automatically go, "Wait a minute. This. is 12,200 years old.". >> Yeah. >> You're telling me someone faked this, 1200 years ago. >> Like I don't think they could fake that. now. You don't I don't think they could. >> Hollywood special effects guys, but then. the composition of the actual the bones. and everything like cartilage and muscle. tissue and. >> how would you fake that? Uh, circling. back, I texted Jesse to ask him for some. insight on what he asked for. >> So, what he sent me was a screenshot of.

a book where he got it from. I had to. translate. >> translation here shows. >> science of insemination. >> Yeah. Jumano, I guess, is the local. word. Local word for what [laughter]. that area is called. >> Right. Right. Right. >> And this is a book he found from that. area, I think. And that says, Yeah. Laboratory of insemination and cloning. >> What? >> That's what I'm saying. Look at all. these terms they use. Yuma is semen. You. may it will verb to inseminate. Yumage.

the science of insemination. Yumage wise. inseminator. Yuma scion or clone. >> This is what I'm saying bro. >> Jume to clone. Jumage the science of. cloning. And Jupage wise cloner. >> So basically. >> what the [ __ ] [laughter] man? >> You know it's there. It's um it's. interesting and then obviously. >> go back to that please again. >> you get alongside this kind of. description you have these bodies you. have this architecture.

>> mad yeah like this was dude [laughter]. this was like one little 10-second clip. in his documentary and it just made me. perk up like wait a minute what. >> the name of the place is like a. laboratory of insemination and cloning. >> and you're getting a smorgish board of. different beings coming out of this area. right like what. >> Jesse does add I think he's speculating. somewhat on the ethmology. Not. definitive, but. >> Right. Right. Right. But yeah, I mean. it's there. >> That's why Jesse's better at this than. me. I'M LIKE, [laughter] IT'S CLEAR. >> IT'S DONE. IT'S THERE.

>> WOW. >> It is interesting. Yeah, it is. interesting. And I think it does, you. know, leads into what was happening on. this planet a long time ago. >> It does. And it leads to like my point. was when I was getting to the whole. super volcano thing, >> what if something happened that wiped. that species out? Right? Like clearly. there's no more Neandertols, right? We. they [clears throat] whatever happened, whether it was us or disease or whatever. killed them off, they don't exist. anymore. We only have evidence that. people interbred with them. >> What What is that thing? Is that thing.

maybe one of us? Like another kind of. human? Like look, another kind of. primate, you know? Look how different we. are than Reese's monkeys, right? Like. we're all primates. We're so [ __ ]. different. Why would we assume that the. ones that we found so far, including. like. >> what did they find? Dennis Ovenans like. 15 years ago or something like that, >> right? Right. >> And then Homo Julian's, what was that. one that was just a few years ago? Like. they keep finding these new versions of. people. Not new obviously, no, >> but long extinct versions of people.

>> I think it's possible. And I also think. that there's a, you know, a potential. What if what if a a particular subroot. species of homminid decided to opt in. for subterranean living and they escaped. a lot of the surface world traumas and. were actually able to kind of maintain. their society? I mean, look at all of. the weird evidence we have for these. vast underground. Darren C. would love. to go there. My god, what. just released a video on it. It's. bananas. >> Could you imagine renovating your house. and [ __ ] finding that? >> Renovating your house and finding.

there's a room for 20,000 people under. your house. Would you say anything? >> I don't know. >> Yeah, >> I'd have to think about where I live. Depends on where I live. You live in a. place where the government could just. come and take your house. >> Yeah. I'd be worried about that. >> I would say it if I was in America, but. even I was in America. What if I really. like my house and now my house is. connected to heritage, right? And. [laughter]. >> what the [ __ ] archaeologists want to. come? Like, get out of my yard. [snorts]. >> Exactly. Exactly. But like, yeah, I. think about this and I think about all. of these different Good. No, I'm happy. to hear that. Happy to hear that. But.

it's um it's interesting. And then you. have, you know, the strange stories like. from the Hopi tribe about the ant people. that came during a time of cataclysm and. they brought them underground and then. they brought them back up. And there's a. few like that. There was a really uh. interesting podcast. It was years ago. I. remember seeing this where they'd. brought these two Amazonian shamans on. the podcast like full headdress. They. spoke their own tribal language. They. needed an interpreter in the room and. the guy asked them what they thought. about aliens and they didn't understand. the question. didn't know what he meant.

by alien. He was like thumbming through. this book and he put up a picture of a. gray and the tribes and went, "Oh, that's Makwabu. That's Makwabu." And. they had a whole story about how this. was a human that became an ant that. lives underground and it can appear in. the divine light, but you should be very. careful with this being because it will. take your soul underground and you need. a very good shaman to bring your soul. back. And they were taking it real. seriously. Like, yeah. Yeah, dude. [laughter]. So, it's like these tribal cultures,

they know, man. They they [ __ ] know. >> Well, I think they have I think there's. a an ancient memory in people. I think. it's one of the reasons why these uh. post-apocalypse movies are so popular. >> There's a lot there's a lot of. post-apocalypse movies where, you know, like. >> people they they they figure out how to. make houses out of wood again and they. they're surviving and they make little. encampments and they fight off the. intruders from the outside. You know, real like uh Walking Dead type [ __ ] with. no zombies. >> Yeah. Yeah, I think there's a memory in.

us of the surviving humans. I think. there's a memory. >> and I think we probably have been. through some terrible moments in the. earth's history where there was a. >> enormous disaster and we are the. ancestors of the survivors and I don't. think there was a lot of survivors. >> No. In fact, I heard you talking about. that the other day where you were um. saying about like the and it's something. I agree with the necessity for um post. cataclysm, post-apocalypse,

the the strong men would inherit the. earth. You know, >> monsters would inherit. >> monsters would inherit the earth, right? And and so if you if we really were a. hyper advanced Atlantean type. civilization prior to this, >> um maybe even more matriarchal than. patriarchal, it would make sense that when things. fall apart obviously and now you need to. survive in the wild, the strong men and. the the you know savaged guys would. inherit the earth because they would be. the ones who would be able to uh you.

know push through that type of. environment. And then if if that is the. case and you fast forward to where we. are now, look at our incredibly. competitive hyper kind of aggressive. culture that we have. It would make. sense that this was formed through the. seeds of trauma and through the seeds of. having to fight for survival and you. know recovering what was lost. >> Yes. Which also makes sense why the past. the further you go back the more. barbaric these people are. >> you're dealing and you're like well it. took a while for people to learn maybe.

but maybe you know you're you're dealing. with people that had to. >> they they probably had to cannibalize. >> I mean they probably had to eat. everything they could. There was only a. few thousand of them left. If we really. got hit by asteroids, like if the. younger dus [clears throat] is correct, >> it makes sense that it would take like. 5,000 years for civilization to emerge. again. >> because that seems to be what happened. It seems to be like you have the. literally the scraggliest survivors and. then eventually the earth gets back to.

normal, but in even then it takes. thousands of years for people to just. have a semblance of what we're. experiencing today in terms of. civilization. And that's why prehistory. is so fascinating and the the Neolithic. in the stone age because okay so this is. a time when we were just basic hunter. gatherers. We had no you know. intelligence, no language, no real. understanding of the world according to. the mainstream. But this is where you. have multi-tonon geodetically aligned.

solar equinox and and uh um what's the. lunar alignment? Um, I've completely. just blanked just cuz I'm a little bit. nervous of being on here, but [laughter]. um, like you know, like equinox. alignments and and like alignments to. the to the sun and the moon uh, mathematically geodetically aligned to. what look like toic currents like. electromagnetic flows beneath the. ground. A lot of these stonehenes and. dolmans are placed on places where you. have strong electromagnetic. concentrations and just the the the.

package of um mathematics and. engineering and stone crafting and the. knowledge of the sun and the stars and. your placement on the planet to create. things like you know Stonehenge and. these other areas in the world. How how. can you do that if you're just hunter. gatherers coming out of you know. animalistic behavior? it doesn't make. any sense. And then we kind of regress. as we go further into history and you. know the the stonework becomes less. impressive. The things become less.

accurate. And I find that very. interesting. How is it at the beginnings. of our history some of the most. impressive structures exist? >> Exactly. It doesn't make any sense. No. >> And just Egypt alone with the. conventional timeline of 2,500 BC for. the Great Pyramid doesn't make any. sense. >> No, it doesn't. I think that they most. likely settled around those pyramids. most likely settle around them and and. you know the scans if these can be. validated fully and empirically with. digs and confirmation physically then. that changes everything. >> It changes everything and you're seeing.

a lot of people spaz out online. >> Oh yeah, >> it's [laughter] wonderful to watch. >> It's been wonderful to watch because. when people are under pressure, the real. character gets revealed and they're. under a lot of pressure right now. because those scans that radio. tomography or whatever the [ __ ] it is, >> synthetic capture radar. Yeah. It's. super accurate with stuff that we know. exists. >> Yes, >> that's what's a real problem for these. people. You want to believe it exists. when it can map out all these chambers. in the pyramid. You want to believe it. exists when it can map out things that.

that we know that exist 50 ft. underground. You want to map you're. you're cool with that. >> Yeah. Yeah. But one kilometer of. subterranean Oh, no. No. Also, >> multiple scans from multiple. >> over 200. >> Yes. It's all the same message. They're. getting the same message. There's. pillars. Enormous pillars. They have. coils around them. [snorts] What pillars. with coils? All of them have coils. >> And the whole structure is like almost 2. kilometers deep into the earth. >> It's obscene. It's obscene. Like.

literally as well, like 2 km of. infrastructure. It's like the whole. underground like people with copper. tools. Help me out. >> And that was my frustration when it. first came out because when it came out, obviously I did I did some like research. into the people involved in the Caffra. pyramid team. I found Filipo Beyond. I. found his harmonic SAR website where it. has listed the things like the Mosul Dam. in Iraq and the Grand Saso laboratory in. Italy, places that they had actually. done scans prior to even the Great. Pyramid, which was peer-reviewed. Their. 2020 uh scan of the Great Pyramid was a.

peer-reviewed paper. And then you fast. forward to now where they've got these. ones and you have people like, you know, Flint Dibble and Pierce Morgan going, "It's [ __ ] It's pseudocience. It's. never been done before. It's never been. tested." It's like, it has been done. It. has been tested. It's actually got a. patent. It's been peer- reviewviewed in. a paper. >> Military applications, military. applications. And Filipo Beyond, he. works for the Italian government. Like. he's not some idiot. He's a very, very. intelligent man. And he can speak on the. science of this like, you know, articulately. So. >> he works on top secret projects with the. Italian military. >> I don't know if you caught like that.

little scene in Jesse. He's like, >> he didn't even say a [ __ ] word, man. Like, could you not talk about that? He. just looks at him like, "Okay, we'll. just figure that out.". >> Like that. That's That's when you know, man. That's when you know. But I mean. what whatever this is, everyone should. be fascinated. You shouldn't be. dismissing this if that's not even your. field of expertise. It just shows what. kind of a [ __ ] weirdo you are. >> Like what you should be doing is going, >> "Okay, how many scans do you have? >> Yeah, >> you have 200 scans of this.

>> Show me more. >> Show me more. Tell me what's going on. We should probably figure out what that. is." If imagine if the pyramids didn't. exist or imagine if it's like, you know, the Sphinx at one point in time was. mostly covered with sand. Let's just. imagine some crazy scenario where the. entire pyramid structure is covered in. sand and nobody knows it exists and then. someone comes along and does a scan of. the surface the ground and says. >> you're not going to [ __ ] believe this. but there's some [ __ ] under there. Now. what if everybody goes that's ridiculous. that's preposterous and they don't look. >> and they don't look. We never find the.

thing that we all agree exists because. you can go there, you can visit, >> right? >> It's there. Right. If that didn't exist, you'd never [ __ ] believe in a million. years there's a structure with 2,300,000. stones that's perfectly aligned, the. true north, south, east, and west. And. you're dating it to somewhere around. 4,000. >> I mean, that sounds like some. pseudocience conspiracy talk to me, Joe. >> Sounds like kookiness. Why is it more. kooky to say these people not only were. this advanced, they were even more. advanced? >> Way more. They were down into the ground.

2 km. It might have been a power. station. Well, you know, Filippo thinks that he. seems to think that the spirals might. have actually been tied to hydrarology. and uh using mechanical stress and the. pisoelectric materials used in the great. pyramid and the plateau itself because. what you have is a very interesting. coupling between uh limestone and and. rose granite. So limestone is a very. good amplifier of acoustics and rose. granite is uh becomes electrical.

pisoelectric under mechanical stress and. acoustics are a form of mechanical. stress. So there's like a certainly. something to be said about the fact that. the pyramids are acoustically tuned like. they're incredible inside the acoustics. and they've done lots of measurements. and experiments on on validating that. that it almost seems to go up in a. perfect scale up to the king's chamber. Um, and then the king's chamber itself, I believe, is focused around 110 to 115. hertz, which is interesting for. neurological uh reasons in terms of. influencing the brain. But on top of.

that, you have again this incredible. coupling between limestone and rose. quartz granite where under the right. conditions, you absolutely could get. energetic responses from that. But as. well as this, you have the hydraological. knowledge, which is really quite. impressive. And when you look at places. like the Osiran in Abidos, which is a. kind of um sunken down temple, we call. everything a temple or a sacred site, but we really don't know, do we? It. could be functional sites. Could be a. power plant of some form, like you said. >> And uh the Assyrian in Abbidos next to.

it, you have the seti, the first temple, which is incredible. It's beautiful and. full of calligraphy and hieroglyphics. And then you have this bare faceless. megalithic place called the Abid um the. Oyeran which has sunken down into the. ground perpetually filled with water. So. they've tried to pump it out and it just. fills back up again because it's. connected down into the uh into the. water table. And there's all these. different shafts and hydraological kind. of um components in this site that they. don't understand the full function of. And then you look at places like um the. Great Pyramid where you go down to the. bottom of the Great Pyramid, you have.

like the kind of core and this whole. area looks like it's been water eroded. as if it was flooded out repeatedly and. use some sort of uh like a pump or some. sort of like sequencing area where you, you know, push water in and then let it. out, push water in and let it out. And. so Filippo thinks that maybe these. spirals bringing water up and if you're. a thousand meters down, you're tapping. into like ancient aquifers. So you could. be drawing up a really impressive amount. of like ancient ancient water. And I. just wonder if same with Peru, there's.

something incredibly important about. accessing this kind of water at the real. depths of the earth. And they seem to. have a real interest in doing that. So. perhaps the pyramids are in some way. like I mean if these spirals are real, it's like a plug, isn't it? It's like. plugged into the earth, connected down. into these aquifers. Perhaps it was. utilizing uh water as an energetic. medium through the materials. I would. recommend to anybody to check out. Christopher Dunn's work. >> Oh, fantastic. >> Uh I had him on the podcast and he. explained to us his theory. He's an.

engineer. Yeah. And he started studying. the structure of the pyramid and his. conclusion was the entire thing was. probably used to generate energy. >> And it's like what? And but when he. breaks it down in terms of I'll butcher. the math if I even try, but in terms of. the dimensions, the way it's made, and. the fact that you could have something. that was down in the basement that was. somehow or another creating a resonance, >> right? Right. Right. >> That would have this effect, the shafts. that go out straight out into space, and. the fact that there's evidence that they. they would possibly use these shafts to.

pour chemicals in and it would create. gases and. >> Well, this is pretty nuts. It is nuts. But, you know, I was when I was uh not. the last time I was out in Egypt, but. the time before then, I was out there. with a guy called Jeffrey Drum. Uh he's. got a YouTube channel called the Land of. Chem. And he's all about this in terms. of the chemical mass manufacturing that. he believes was going on in the pyramids. and these other areas. And uh we filmed. all of the uh all of the coverage of. that if anyone wants to go and see it on. our on my YouTube channel. um taking us. through areas in the Giza plateau where.

you have an incredible concentration on. the Giza plateau of iron veins and they. all seem to be emanating from the. pyramids. So if you go around the. pyramids you'll see these iron vein. networks that are flowing out from the. central point and these iron veins are. heading down into what are called these. boat pits. >> When you say iron veins so like. >> iron ore iron ore is it it's not on the. surface it's deep in the ground. Well, I. mean, there's some on the surface, so. you can actually see the snaking kind of. veins of iron that's kind of rusted out.

and oxidized, and you can you can make. it out, but surely it must be deeper as. well, but it seems to be stretching out. from the pyramids down into these. >> contaminating from the pyramids. >> So, his theory is that they built the. pyramid going deep. >> Yeah. Yeah. His theory is that they. built the pyramids on top of these iron. veins, particularly because this place. was getting lightning strikes uh. frequently and they were using Yeah, I. know. I know. I know. It's a giant. lightning rod, >> dude. I mean, these things are built in. a way and they were gold capped at one.

point like high. >> and gold is a really good conductor. >> conductor of electricity for electronics. >> and the Giza plateau is covered in these. conductive iron vein networks which the. pyramids do seem to be built upon. Now, this is, you know, his personal theory, but he, you know, he's an American who's. been living out in Cairo now for about. six or seven years, I believe. He's been. he just decided to up and move out there. and dedicate his life to exploring these. places. And so he took us across uh you. know all of these amazing areas and and. showed us things I'd never seen before. in Egypt. Um but his theory on on the on.

the pyramids is similar to Christopher. Dunn in terms of some form of chemical. manufacturing taking place. And if you. know um the original name for Egypt was. ChemT. is the beginning of chemistry and. alchemy. So this is where one of the. root words where we then got chemistry. and alchemy from. So, it is the land of. chemistry and alchemy. And. >> that's bananas. >> There you go. Is this uh. >> from his video? >> Oh, this is one of his videos. Great.

>> This is the iron ore. >> So, these are the Yeah, I believe he's. probably highlighting the iron veins and. these iron veins head out into what are. called boat pits, which they believed in. the mainstream uh interpretation. >> You're freaking me out with the land of. Kem. That's that is crazy. But when did. they name that? I don't know when it was. named that, but it was originally. referenced as Kemet in some of the. ancient Greek. And you know there's. there's there's reference to it being. called chemt. >> and it really means the same thing. >> It's what people believe is the.

continuation of alchemy and chemistry. because you get so much alchemy from. Egypt and obviously this is the place. where you get Hermes tismaistice and. hermeticism and the philosopher stone. kind of leaks out from these types of. areas. So I I think that there is a lot. to suggest this. Plus we actually know. in the mainstream that they were. incredible chemists like regardless of. you know exotic forms of chemistry that. we know they were using acids and natron. baths and things like this. Like the. Egyptians knew what they were doing even. from the perspective that we understand. regardless of getting a little bit. deeper into it. But yeah.

>> Right. And you're talking about. Egyptians like Cleopatra times. >> Right. So like we know that they were. doing it. Exactly. >> Historically. >> Exactly. Yeah. That's that's why it's so. strange. Like if this structure is. proved to be real, if they start an. excavation and they they have. irrefutable proof. Like without a doubt. there's some man-made structures that. are beyond description underneath the. ground. What happens now? Like what does. everybody do? Like what what do all. these dorks that think that that's a.

tomb? What do [laughter] you. >> What do you do? What do you do to all. those dorks that think like it makes. sense that they built that? It was a. national pastime. It's a national. project. Come on, bro. >> Settle the [ __ ] down. >> I think at that point you have you you. have to. >> Well, I think the pyramids uniquely. stand as uh like an intelligence desk. >> because they are so crazy when you have. stones that are so large that are taken.

from quaries hundreds of miles away, >> 500 miles away. A lot of these people. supposedly didn't even have the wheel. >> So what is this? What? You don't think. this is crazy? Like this isn't this. isn't like, oh, we know they use the. wood from these trees to build these. homes. Like this is bananas. >> Whole level. >> This is something that would take us. hundreds of years today to build. >> And one of the things that is said so. much, but I guess it's kind of shrugged. off just because it's said so much, but. it's actually a really important point.

to highlight. There are no [ __ ]. hieroglyphs in the pyramids. Not one. There's not a single symbol, not a. single element of what we would. understand to be dynastic Egypt. And and. so like you have this incredible. contradiction when you go to places like. the Valley of the Kings and the Valley. of the Queens, gold, and you know, it's. adorned in patterns. You can't see a. square inch of stone where there isn't. something filled to venerate these. people. And yet the pyramids are bare. bare. And you know, when you go inside. them, you're going to go to Egypt, right? You're going to go.

>> eventually. Yeah. Yeah. But when you. when you go inside them, it just feels. mechanical. It feels functional. It's, you know, big port colasses of rose. granite and these shafts going off. perfectly vertical off into you can't. even see. And there's nothing about it. that feels spiritual orerary at all. Just looking at it, it looks to me like. an advancement of what we are that's. almost like indescribable. Like a. thousand-year advancement of where we.

are currently to build something like. that, right? >> It seems so nuts. >> And there's obviously stuff that doesn't. seem as nuts. It's just beautiful and. impressive, right? >> You know, just like the coliseum in Rome. is. >> or like, you know, the cropolis. You know, all those things are. fascinating and incredible. >> craftsmanship and engineering and. architecture. Amazing. Yeah. But then. there's Egypt and you go, "Shut the [ __ ]. up." Like, "What is that? That's nuts.". >> Yeah. And I resent the idea that we're. like taking it away from them. It's.

like, "Let's just be logical about this. and actually assess the toolkit and. assess the capabilities and then look at. the evidence of what we're seeing.". >> Also, we're not because it's people that. lived in the same place. So, it's. literally just the older versions of. them, >> right? It's not like you're saying, you. know, Chinese people came and they did. it all and then they flew back. No, that's not what anybody's saying. We're. just saying more ancestors. Your. ancestors, not just the timeline's off. The timeline seems funky. Clearly, there. were some amazing things that the. Egyptians did during the accepted.

timeline. [clears throat] I mean, they. were a fascinating culture all through. till the end, right? >> But the when you go really far back, whatever that is is nuts. Mhm. >> And when you're saying that you know. exactly when it was dated when there's. so much evidence of just today modern. doing these reconstructions and fixing. and all the the the the the feet of the. Sphinx and they're covering it with new. [ __ ] rocks. Like they've always been. doing renovations. They always do. So.

all this stuff that you're saying like. we got a piece of wood from inside one. of the cracks like [ __ ] that doesn't. mean anything. Exactly. >> You can't date those rocks. >> No. Unless you get under those. [ __ ] to the bottom and take a. chunk of organic material from deep. underneath that thing so you can know. when the first stones are placed. You. don't know. You're guessing. >> And I I think that that's why we're. coming to a point now where there's such. resistance from the mainstream when you. see scans like this because they they've.

built themselves into a wall. It would. you basically have to admit, yeah, we. we're just [ __ ] wrong. You're you. also see like you know. >> them confronted by real evidence. Yeah. >> Like real evidence. And like just when. someone takes you for a walk inside the. king's chamber and you look up at those. stones that somehow they got like how. high are they in the sky? >> Mhm. >> How high are they in the ceiling? How. high are they? Do you remember? >> Oh god. No, I don't. Sorry. >> Well, 80 ton stones. >> 80 tons in the king's chamber. 80 tons. >> How tall? Let's look. >> And that's near the apex. That is near.

the apex. >> Jamie, please put this into perplexity. How tall is the ceiling inside the. king's chamber in the Great Pyramid? >> Cuz these things are perfectly placed in. there. Like even if you drag those. somehow or another across the mountains. for 500 miles and got it to the pyramid, how the [ __ ] did you get it up there? >> Exactly. >> How'd you get them all to line up? How. many people got squished? [clears throat]. >> Chamber itself spans 10.5 meters long by. 5.2 m wide. How tall is the ceiling?

uh 19 feet. But it's also but it's also. near the top of the pyramid. It's. incredibly high up in the pyramid as. well. They had to lift it to that point. >> You have to you have to get these 80 ton. blocks 19 ft and then place them. perfectly. >> And and there's absolutely again there's. nothing kingly about the king's chamber. at all. It's just completely a bare room. of rose granite with this sarcophagus. coming up out of the out of the floor. with a huge chunk um missing. And.

actually, if you look at where that huge. chunk is missing and you turn around and. you look at the wall, there's actually a. massive impact uh on the wall. There's. like a big part of the wall that's been. broken off. So, it makes you wonder if. maybe that was jettisoned off at some. point from, you know, power or, you. know, >> what do you think is in that the what. they call the sarcophagus? Do you have a. theory? Does anybody have a. >> I've been inside it. There's nothing. inside of it. It's. >> You got in it? >> Yeah. I've laid I laid down inside of. it. It's kind of creepy. >> With a grandmaster of the Templar Order. chanting over me. >> Oh, fun. >> Yeah. That was my first trip to Egypt. [laughter] You can take a video of that.

and put it up on X and no one's ever. gonna take you seriously, right? Well, this guy's a [ __ ] cook. [laughter]. >> I am I am a cook. >> Well, you have to be, you know. Yeah, >> you have to be a cook to really enjoy. this. >> And you have to be on the fringe and and. also I think some of the, you know, most. impressive scientists and creators have. been people on the fringe who are. laughed at by all their peers. Well, especially now because the way the way. universities work is essentially there's. a person that is the most important.

person in [clears throat] that field, right, at that university. And there's a. bunch of people that want grants and. there's a bunch of people that want to. play nice, they want their career, they. want tenure, and you got to be careful. whose toes you step on. And if this one. guy is the gatekeeper of or a group of. guys like him at various universities or. the gatekeepers to this information, you're going to come up with the current. bottleneck problem that we see where. people are not just unwilling but. aggressively attacking people that. question this. Which is why they called. Graham Hancock show the most dangerous. show on television. Like that is so.

crazy. You have so many shows where. people get murdered. >> That's the best way to make a show go. viral though, isn't it? Best way to make. a show go viral. Don't [ __ ] watch. this show. You know what I mean? Great. job on the people. did a great job. >> But it does bring up a a disturbing and. and worrying element of it. Just how. quickly the mainstream media in various. outlets all aligned at once to call him. everything from a racist to a. pseudocientist to a conspiracy theorist. And you know, it is an alarming kickback. that he's taken in his stride. profoundly. Profoundly.

>> He's a wonderful guy. >> He's great. I can't wait to speak to. him. I literally missed him by like 3. days when I went out to Peru. I was. gutted. >> He was my first real guest. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he was, wasn't. he? >> Yeah. Me and [laughter] him and Duncan, we had so much fun. >> Oh my god, that must have been flew. I. need to rewind right from England. We uh. got him to drive to my house. And then. once he got to my house, we ordered. pizza. We all ate pizza and I couldn't. believe I'm hanging out with Graham. Hancock. I was so giddy. It was like one. of the first actual guests. >> Giddy moments. Like, yeah, you're just.

like, I can't believe I'm actually. sitting with this dude. Yeah, because. the guest before that had mostly been. comics, right? Or some person that I. thought was interesting, you know, some. guy that I met at the comedy store. I'm. like, "What do you do? You're a. therapist and what do you give people? How's it [laughter] work? Come on over. >> Come and talk to me about it.". >> Yeah. I did a lot of those. But he was, I think, the first real guest. >> Was there like a a choice, like a. conscious decision for you to kind of. like evolve it from just, you know, comedians talking shop to actually. getting different guests on from a. variety of subjects? Because I know. you're a curious person. And you've. probably been researching these things.

even at the point before you were doing. that kind of podcast cuz well clearly. you were but yeah like what was the. natural evolution of that for you? >> Well I was always into books about. ancient history and whether it's you. know like modernly you know commonly. accepted narrative or Graham Hancock. stuff. But I got into Graham Hancock. stuff I think in the '9s Fingerprints of. the Gods came out and I [ __ ] loved. it. I I was so fascinated by I couldn't. shut the [ __ ] up about it. tell people. like you got to see this. Like I think.

this guy's right. I I think we're we are. a history with amnesia or a race with. amnesia. >> And then um of course [snorts] I watched. Chariots of the Gods, that film, which I. thought was very kooky and fun. It's. very campy and fun. And here's the thing. about that. I dismissed it for a long. time and I said it's nonsense. And I was. I actually had lunch once. Eric. Weinstein took me to uh lunch at Peter. Teal's house where we talked to uh.

>> Von Danakin and Right. Right. >> It was fun fun conversation like. interesting. I'm talking to he's a. fullon true believer. >> von Danakin. >> Yeah. Yeah. Fully. >> of the alien theory the ancient aliens. theory and back see I've gone in like. multiple stages in my cognitive. dissonance [laughter]. >> and for a while I was all in with the. aliens. >> I hear you. I'm the same though. Then. for a while I was like, "No, no, no. There was an advanced civilization and. we're just a rebuilding of that. civilization and that's probably why.

we're so barbaric." And now I'm like, "Why am I why are they mutually. exclusive?". >> It could be a mix. >> Yeah. I don't think they are mutually. exclusive. >> At one point the gods walked amongst us, you know, like. >> and that's when I see the things like. the tridactyl mummies and I'm like, "Okay, okay, okay. What is that? What. are we talking? Why is why is Peru so. weird? Why do they have artwork that you. can only see from the sky?" Like there's. a lot of weird [ __ ] going on here. Like. don't don't be so quick to jump. >> Exactly. >> My point is like I I've always been. fascinated by.

>> stories. First of all, um any subject. that makes you ridiculous for. considering it. I'm always like, >> "What's that about? Why why is that. ridiculous that itch a little bit?" Even. the cookie ones like ghosts, >> Bigfoot, all the cookie ones. >> Like why? What's the What's the. resistance? Why did Russian astronaut. tell me a Bigfoot story? >> Yeah, he I mean, pinch of salt, but he. uh he claimed that he had been told this. by a military guy out in out in Russia.

that a uh they were they were in the. wreck room of this like Air Force base. And apparently, this is according to. this Russian astronaut trainer at the. Yuri Gagarin Space Center in Moscow. And. he said that this uh this Yeti Sasquatch. type being apparently just walted in. like just walked into their wreck room, helped itself to some water from the. water uh thing, waved, and then. vanished. I don't know.

So this guy, what was his job? >> He was a trainer of astronauts at the. Yori Gagarin Space Center in Star City, Moscow. Bro, they probably dosed him up. with so many [ __ ] They did. >> MK Ultra drugs. >> Yeah. I I mean, >> if you're you're holding on to that kind. of information, >> an interesting story. >> They probably experiment on [snorts]. you. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> I probably gave that guy some I've never. given the the Sasquatch thing. It's uh. it's due course in in researching it to. be honest. I've been very dismissive of. that. But maybe it's I mean maybe you. know I mean like the demographic years I.

used to have a Sasquatch Bigfoot. footprint like a cast like a plaster. cast on the desk [laughter] that uh rest. in peace Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum. He just. recently died. >> I had him on the as a guest on the show. once too. He's a he's so crazy. I told. him I asked him if he was so crazy but. in a wonderful way. [clears throat] I. said if if you could cut a finger off. >> to know that Sasquatch was real, would. you do it? He was like yes instantly. What the [laughter] [ __ ] dude? That's. your finger. Don't say yes to that. Just.

the information just comes out. You. don't have to lose a [laughter] finger. >> Damn it. >> Just sitting there with half a finger. >> I think Bigfoot was a real thing. >> Yeah. >> I think that's why there's so like. >> Do you think it was just like some sort. of like branch of creature? Cuz so many. people think it's like an. interdimensional being or. >> It could be that too, but I think it's. Gigantopithecus initially. Gigantopithecus was an absolute real. thing that we didn't [clears throat]. even know existed until the I believe it. was the 20s. Yeah, around then. >> guy find it teeth in an apothecary shop. in China and then they started. researching it and finding where the dig.

sites were. >> and you know they found jawbones that. indicate that it was bipeedal. So this. is a bipeedal homminid that's 8 to 10 ft. tall. What is that? That's Bigfoot. >> That is Bigfoot. >> and that's probably and also this thing. 100% lived around modern human beings. Like what we are today, it lived around. us. So imagine you see one of those. things. Well, first of all, you're going. to [ __ ] run like hell. You're gonna. have stories. This thing lives in the in. the woods or in the jungle. Stay out of. this spot. That's where this thing.

lives. And that's going to be passed on. from generation to generation to. generation until even after they're. gone. Now it's just a whisper. Now it's. just a thing. It's now it's a mystery. man that lives in the woods. >> Are are there like are they like. antiquated Bigfoot stories like outside. of just modern? Yes. >> Yeah. Oh, without a doubt. Especially. Native American cultures. That's what's. interesting is like Native American. tribes. There's multiple obviously many. different tribes, many different. languages, right? >> Yeah. >> They all have a word for this thing that.

let's put this into perplexity. Yeah. >> How many different Native American names. are there for for Bigfoot? >> Cuz I believe Sasquatch is a Native. American. I don't know which tribe had. that, but there's multiple different. names for this hairy creature that lives. in the woods. But they don't have names. for like a giraffe that lives in the. woods. They don't have like other. mystical animals, mythical creatures. They just have this one. >> Yeah. >> And this one is a [ __ ] weird one. >> Well, that's what I mean with the.

interdimensional aspect. It's treated. differently than just an animal even. from like these. >> that might be real, too. This is part of. the problem. It's like. >> we might be dealing with multiple. different things. It might not even be. Gigantopithecus. >> Saskat Skookum. That's right. I've heard. that. Omar. That's right. There was a. movie called Omar. The guy who did the. American Werewolf in. >> what? That's just the last words you say. when you see Bigfoot. Oh my. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> Uh Chai Tanka. Big big elder brother.

>> 70 to 80 names. >> Wicked cannibal. Oh boy. Wendago. Wicked. Yeah, Windo. I've heard that. one. Windo. >> Yeah, I've heard that one. and. how to say that. >> big god and that's a Navajo name. So. there's a bunch of different there's a. bunch underneath that too. >> Yeah. Like say about 70 to 80 names when. accounting for variance across 50. tribes. >> Okay. So what is that? >> And it's the same with the alien graves. like the ant people you know. >> Well and then it brings the same thing.

like brings us to the same subject of. what if there is a way to traverse. dimensions? What if this is not some as. simple as something gets in a spaceship. and it comes here from another planet? What if it's coming from another place? And what if that doorway is open to. other things? And what if some of those. things are a Sasquatch? Like and under. the right conditions, this pathway is. open. And you maybe it's not even. something that actually exists, but you. can see exists in our tangible timeline,

but you can see under heavy stress, under like anxiety. And imagine what. gets you more stressed out than being in. the woods at night, right? The woods at. night creates a lot of anxiety for. people because there's all these sounds. and you're looking around. It's dark. You're vulnerable. Especially if you. live in real woods, like woods that have. predators in them. It's sketchy. And I. [clears throat] bet there's different. states of mind that you would if if. there are if is if there's some sort of. a possibility, some sort of a way that a.

an intelligent creature can get to a. point where it has the technology to. access other dimensions. It can go into. other spaces. >> Would you even be able to see it all the. time? Would you only be able to see it. if you were like under a highly anxious. state in the woods? You're kind of a. little freaked out. You're more open to. weird things and then it senses that and. communicates with you. >> Well, we are. >> It sounds kooky.

>> We're dominated by our perception and we. have such a narrow bandwidth of visual. perception. You know, you get up the. whole light spectrum and look at visible. light. Just this tiny corridor of. visible light that we're able to see. Obviously, we've developed IR and, you. know, different and if you film the. night sky with infrared, you get weird. [ __ ] You get these orbs and things that. seem to fly by. And um I think that it. is a perceptual thing because the reason. I even started my YouTube channel is. because I've had my own experiences with.

UFO type phenomena that were entirely um. initiated by me. Like I asked for them. to come and and they did. See, that. sounds kooky. I'll take that clip and I. dismiss you immediately. This guy's wait. for it. >> But this is one of the things that. people have been saying for a long time. is that there's there's actual groups of. people and there was even some guy who. was like. >> somehow or another connected to the. government. Um that was saying that they. lead these people out. They go out into. the desert and they have a like some.

sort of a secret frequency. He didn't. want to discuss it that they can push. out. they can send out the secret. frequency and it'll call them in and. that other people have done it simply by. willing them in. That's what I do. >> So sitting there and putting out this. message that you're trying to. communicate with them and then. eventually they show up. >> Yeah. I I I can't speak to. technologically assisted psionics and. all that kind of stuff, but um do you. want to hear my UFO story? Okay. First.

of all, where did you come up with this. idea on your own or did you hear about. people doing this? No, I I uh I heard of. it from someone who's a quite polarizing. figure in the UFO community. I know. you've spoken to him, Dr. Steven Greer. Um but I. >> polarizing people are right sometimes. >> He's right on this. >> Yeah, they could be right on a lot of. things. >> He's right on this. And you know, I uh I. know that a lot of people have issues. with with Greer, but I he was actually. my intro into the UFO subject. So, I'll. tell you the story. [clears throat]. Sorry about my throat. Let me just take.

a sip of water, actually. So um. this was uh. >> how did he find out about it? >> It's a good question. Um he had a. near-death experience believe and from. that was actually apparently. communicated to and shown things that. when he came out of that experience he. became. >> a samadei type you know teacher and you. know got profoundly interested origin. story. >> brilliant origin story. Um [laughter]. my origin story was that I was really. bored during co no so like honestly. though um it was actually in 2019 that I.

had these experiences and I I do think. that it's very important to lay a bit of. foundational groundwork because I think. a lot of people will recognize this as. well and it's something that you. mentioned with Bigfoot being in a high. stress environment in the forest maybe. that changes your perception and uh I I. think that there's a degree of trauma. and a degree of intense emotional uh. moments that can bring about paran. paranormal experiences. I don't know. why, but it does seem to be something. that a lot of people relate to. Yes, I. was in a very dark time. Yes, I was.

having a very traumatic time or yes, I. was going through something and then. this happened. And so, for me, um I was. in my third year of university and. struggling. Just had a whole mix of. personal issues going on. Um so, I I. ended up kind of dropping out before I. finished and uh was just in a really bad. rut. And my dad was worried about me and. he uh he said look I'm I'm out in this a. bit of a long story but it's important. to lay this foundation I think before I. talk about what I actually experienced. because it plays in. Um my dad was.

worried he he was out in France at the. time and he said look do you want to. come out and stay at this place with me. and just you know kind of relax and. bring yourself back to normal. I was. like yeah okay. So I came out and uh he. was like uh I've got these books that. I've been reading. I think they'd be. really beneficial for you. Um you should. read them. I was like okay like you know. I don't see how a book's going to. change. Did he often recommend books? >> Not massively. No. In fact, no. No. This. was the only time he recommended books, which is interesting. Um, and they were. a series of books called Conversations. with God by Neil Donald Walsh. Have you.

ever heard of them? >> No. >> Okay. So, it's interesting. It kind of. ties into, I suppose, the chneled works, things that people believe they receive. >> Oh, wait a minute. I have heard of this. >> He's quite well known. He's quite well. known. Um he, you know, was a he was a. radio DJ, broke his neck in a car. accident, became homeless, finally. managed to get back on his feet, but was. still struggling, wrote an angry letter. to God, and then apparently woke up at. 3:00 in the morning and was having like. voices literally telling him to write. things down as he wrote all of this. down. And this became conversations with. God. It's literally a dialogue of him.

asking questions and him receiving. answers, which he interpreted as from. God. Now, that is intense. And I'm. definitely not here to say this is a. Bible and everyone should read it. However, it was incredibly impactful for. me at that time. The things that I was. reading about, it was a very different. idea of God, universal consciousness, leaning towards more than some weird. patriarchal cloud living figure that. just never made sense to me. So, it it. got me in and I was reading it and it. helped tremendously, weirdly enough, um, which I didn't expect. And that put me. on a path towards researching.

metaphysics and philosophy and and. science and consciousness and and that's. where it really started for me. But then. a couple years down the line, I found. myself in another depression in a sense. because I felt like I'd accumulated a. lot of information about various. different topics that I thought were. like these big questions and big answers. and big esoteric things. And I just got. to a point I was like none of this is. actually helping me in my life. In fact, I'm actually feeling like [ __ ] worse. for looking into all of this thing and I. don't know how this is going to benefit. me. So I was sitting on my bed one night.

and I just I guess you could call it a. prayer. I just sat on my bed and said. out loud to the universe, like I I need. something that validates all of this. Like, if I'm meant to be looking into. these big picture questions about the. universe and consciousness, if there's. something tangible here, like I I I need. to know and I want evidence and I'm. ready for it. So, give me it. I want. that. And then a week later, my best. friend at the time, he was like, "Uh, hey, I've I was watching this. documentary. You've got to check it out. It's called Unagnowledged by this guy.

called Dr. Steven Greer." And this was. my first introduction to the UFO. subject. So I was like, "Okay, cool.". Sit down, watch that. Very good. documentary. All of these different, you. know, highlevel officers and missile. launch guys talking about UFOs. It got. me in. And then near the end of that is. when he brings up this concept of C5, you know, initiating contact with these. You can actually have your own. experiences by getting into a particular. meditative state. If I hadn't been making that request on. my bed the week prior, I probably just.

would have watched that documentary and. gone about my life. But it felt like a. very strong message to me personally. because I've been asking for something. to validate these ideas around. consciousness. Now there's a guy saying, "Yeah, you can actually have an. experience by going out and attempting. to, you know, ask for one.". >> So talk me through the process of. actually doing that. >> So [clears throat] he has. >> Did you get it on the first try? No, he. >> How many How many times did you try? >> It's It was a weird gradual thing where. things were happening in the sky that.

were enough to keep me going out but not. enough for me to be like, "Okay, this is. legit.". >> So, like, how many times did you go out. before it worked? >> Uh, before I saw what I really really. saw, um, probably about a month of going. out. >> Damn, that's commitment. >> But I was seeing things, but they but. they weren't. >> it it was kind of just enough to make me. like, okay, What are we seeing? >> Lots of what the contact community call. flash bulbs. Flashes of light in the. night sky in a void of space repeatedly.

without any discernable object attached. to it. Just one flash. And then. >> send a thought, another flash, >> send a thought, another flash. >> And this happened multiple times. I've. been someone who watches the night sky. all my life. I'm used to seeing. satellites. I know what flares are. >> Maybe an hour or two hours, you know. >> And so you sit down. Are you seated? >> No, I I usually be standing with my neck. crane to the sky, but I would be. >> Why don't I get a lounge chair? >> I know.

>> Meditative. >> I know. I don't know. I don't think. about things properly sometimes when I. do. >> Just lay down on the ground. >> Just lay on the grass. >> You get a better view of the sky. >> Yeah. But it's cold in England and it. was mildwy on the floor. >> Get a tarp. Yeah. Yeah. But but I was um. I was essentially because of again being. asking asking the universe for. something. The universe seemed to be. giving me some sort of response. It kind. of lit a fire up under me and I started. going outside and honestly a lot of. people like even Gria has this.

incredibly uh you know complicated. method using samadi and you know doing. various things. I didn't do any of that. I just breathed in through the nose and. out through the mouth until I felt very. calm and then began to very clearly. model my thoughts around the concept of. I want something to respond to me and. then I would essentially visualize that. that was emanating from me that these. thoughts were emanating from me and it. didn't take very long before I'd have. flashes of light in the sky that just. seemed weird because I've never seen. anything like that or an incredible.

influx of what look and behave like. satellites but just at an incredibly. high level where it's just like what. what's going on here? And it just felt. like a a kind of stepby-step progression. until in August of 2019, I had four. incredibly vivid and real experiences. with orange orbs of light. Um, really. profound. >> What was that? What happened? >> So, I was outside at this point. It. become my routine. It was in the summer. of August and it was relatively warm.

So, I was out doing this quite a lot, seeing little flashes, seeing things in. the sky, trying to figure out what. exactly it was that I was seeing. And um. I was standing at the back of my garden. looking towards my house, night sky, crystal clear, and uh I saw at the. beginning a flash of light in in the. corner of the sky. So, I looked over and. I saw this flash, another flash, another. flash, and it was just blinking, but it. was static in space. And then it started. moving down. every time it blinked, it.

would move further down. And I was. observing this and then it settled above. two stars and kind of created the the. apex of a triangle. And it was just. flashing above these two stars. And I. was watching this for a while and it. happened for long enough where I just. decided, all right, I'm just thank you, whatever you are. I'm just going to keep. panning around the sky here and looking. around. And as I panned my head, I saw. that there was a cloud, but I didn't. really look at it. And I turn around. here, come back, and I see this cloud. again. And this time I really look at.

it. And this cloud, Joe, had so strange. It's like a dark cloud. Um, but when you. stared at it, it had a staticky. appearance. It's very hard to describe. other than imagine a light overlay of TV. static. There was particles. It was. agitated. It was shimmering. Something. not a cloud. Like certainly not anything. I've ever seen in my life. And if we. pretend this microphone is my house and. this cloud is here, it's drifting this. way. So eventually it's going to drift.

past my house and go this way, at least. according to its natural trajectory. It gets to my house and it does a right. angle turn and it starts coming towards. me. So eventually it's going to be above. my head. This cloudlike formation, >> a cloud does a right angle turn in the. sky. >> Abrupt as in 90 degrees. It's going like. this. And now it's going like this. towards you. High up in the sky, but. it's now in my path. Complete 90 degree. shift from its trajectory. And I saw it.

like a jarring. Now it's going this way. Okay. So, at this point, I'm rooted in. place. I'm not really scared, but I'm. shocked at the fact that this thing did. what it just did. And I'm watching as. it's coming closer and closer, you know, towards where I'm going to be. Eventually, it's directly above my head. It sounds so crazy and you know Terrence. McKenna said something like this. He was. like you know if you tell the. unvarnished truth about a UFO experience. you'll be taken for a fool. It's like. it's true. You know if you if you just.

tell people what really happened but. this is what really happened. So this. cloud comes above my head. >> as it's directly above my head. this. cloud. like sucked into itself as if there was. a central vacuum, a central point where. it just got sucked into itself and it. revealed a triangle formation of about. 25 maybe 30 orange orbs of light in a. triangle. And this triangle basically the cloud.

went triangle was revealed. It kept. moving. I had to turn around and watch. as it went off in this direction. And as. I was watching it, I could see that some. of these orbs were actually swapping. formation, swapping position in this. formation. And that was the first time I saw them. I saw them three other occasions, all. within the space of a month after this. Weirdly enough, I woke up the next day, and this is the only element of the. story, as crazy as the whole thing. sounds, is the only element that makes.

me personally uncomfortable. Um, I was. getting out of the shower and as I was. drying myself off, immediately. immediately noticed where this tattoo is. now. There was a triangle mark of three. red three red marks. One here, one here, one here. Very vivid like in like the. >> And you covered it up with a tattoo. >> Well, [laughter]. it faded. It faded over it. I have taken. pictures of it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Is it clear? Can I see it? >> Uh, I can try and find them. Yeah. I. haven't got my internet on right now. Um.

Jamie, if you go onto my ex account and. just type in uh. Jay Anderson marks on arm, maybe that. will come up. I'm sorry. I should have. really sent that ahead of time, but I do. have images online. People have seen. them and I've discussed it many times. Um. >> did it look like a wound? Did it look. like a tattoo? >> So, three red marks, no bump, no scab, no itching, no feeling of discomfort.

There was a slight shine to them as if. it was almost like a healed over burn. And this was very vivid. It didn't. dissipate for over a year. It was on my. arm for about a year before it faded. away and eventually faded away. And then. I got homeisters tattooed on my arm. But. uh um weirdly enough, I got this tattoo. and then got invited to Egypt. Weirdly, but yeah, I had these experiences. Um, I. had another experience where they came. down and hovered above my house.

>> Can I ask you this? So, these orbs, there's. >> There you go. There you go. >> Wow. >> Thanks, Jamie. Thanks for that. >> That is weird. >> It looks like you burned three. cigarettes on your. >> That's what some [ __ ] online. definitely claimed, but I didn't. >> That's what I would say, too, if I was. an [ __ ] online. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]. >> Um, >> that's crazy. >> Yeah. This this I noticed it. immediately. I I'm not particularly. comfortable with it. I don't know what. it really means. I really I you know I'm. a bit of I'm a bit of an idiot Joe cuz. like I you know I should have gone to a.

dermatologist. I should have like. actually had thing someone look at it. >> branded but like cattle son. >> Well that's kind of what I think and at. the same time can I. >> let's keep an eye on this one. >> Can I even be mad at them? I was like. show me show me. Give me evidence. I. want to sign. [ __ ] it. Fine then. >> Right. >> There you go dude. >> I would say whatever that is on your. arm. Who knows? Maybe a dermatologist. could explain it. It's just a. coincidence. But the the actual thing. itself is far more interesting to me. And like cuz one of the things that. people always say is if they were out. there, what wouldn't we see them? Like. god, if they could come here from.

another dimension or if they can come. here from another planet or another. solar system, don't you think they could. probably hide? Like we're pretty good at. hiding. Like don't you think like we. have we have technology right now like. the stealth bomber stuff [clears throat]. that uh diminishes the radar signal. Exactly. Like you can't you can't pick. them up on radar. So, why would it be impossible to somehow. another manipulate your visual field, project what looks like clouds on the. outside? We know that we can do stuff.

like that with plasma. Like, they can. they have these plasma things that can. spin in the sky. It's weird. They can. make objects out of them. >> I wonder if that was plasma. I actually. do wonder if this was a form of. self-organizing plasma. Uh because. that's definitely something that people. have looked into quite. >> maybe plasma has intelligence. >> Yes. >> There's some Yeah. >> Yes. and and that you know perhaps these. are a form of individuated plasmic. intelligences that can interact and and. one thing that's very interesting about. that there was a brilliant paper. actually I did a I did a video on it um.

it's like 11 different scientific. institutes looking at um the idea of. self-organizing plasma and intelligent. plasma and they were using some. references like do you know the STS75. NASA missions where the tether broke and. you had all these strange things going. around the tether. >> yes. >> so that's dismissed as ice particles and. things like that. Have you ever seen the. motion tracking version of that where. someone actually attached the flight. paths of each object so you can see the. flight path? >> No. >> That's crazy because then. >> if Yeah, I'm sure if if Jamie looked up.

um weird flight path. >> lights are going towards that thing and. checking it out. >> Yeah. So this is um you know this is a. gigantic tether. I think it's like 2 km. long or something. It's absolutely. insane. It broke away from the ship and. as it broke away you had these um well. what some people believe to be UFOs or. plasmic uh intelligences or if you're uh. on the mainstream side you'd say these. are ice particles. There you go. If you. go slightly further back slightly. further back they go s just as that.

green one starting up. This is the. flight path. So if you just take it back. to the beginning of that um and this is. where they've attached the flight paths. and you will see complete 90 degree. turns. you'll see absolute stops and. reversals of change. and it's incredible. >> I wonder if it's just a kind of life. that we. >> I truly think that's the case exist. lives in space. >> I think so. I really do. >> Like the things they find at these. volcanic vents at the bottom of the. ocean. They're like, "Oh, we didn't even.

know that something could survive down. here.". >> There could be a type of life that. survives in the void of space. And it. just it wouldn't be a biological thing. It would be some form of energy or. light. >> This is apparently what all the spooks. were telling Tom Dong when he went to. the Pentagon that there's amieebas in. space the size of whales and like you. know that these things were essentially. they told him. Yeah. I remember I. remember when he was on he was on fade. to black and he was talking about you. know that there are these amiebas in. space that are like you know. >> but why would they tell him and then he. goes on those shows and tells like I I I.

feel like that's the type of guy that. you tell some things that you want to. get out. >> Yeah. And it doesn't necessarily have to. be true. >> No. No. >> A matter of fact, it's more fun if it's. not true. And and make him say as much. kooky [ __ ] as possible. >> so that the stuff that he's going to say. that's true looks ridiculous. >> And now all of those guys that gave him. that information are on the age of. disclosure.com. >> Exactly. >> We should trust them, right? [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> We should trust all of these government. spooks. >> It's fun. If you're playing, it's like.

the world is a gigantic escape room. [laughter]. >> Yeah, dude. You're playing a bunch of. weird puzzles and you're trying to. figure it out, but nothing is what it. seems. >> I think it seems nothing's as it seems. I I think with um with Tom Delong and. the UFO [clears throat] subject and to. the stars academy and all the things. that have happened since like 2017, New. York Times, it's um I have I have. opinions on it because I think I might. be the first guest that you've had on. that wasn't already uh quite. established. So, I've had to work my way.

up through social media, through the. interactions in the community, to, you. know, personal relations with people. that aren't big names or anything like. that. Um, you know, I've had to work my. way up it. So, I've seen and been. exposed to things that perhaps people. like Jeremy Corbell and others who are. already quite big names haven't seen. because they're too big. They don't need. to be on social media looking at [ __ ]. comments or like, you know, what's going. on in the X space. But if you are like. that, you start to notice things. And so. what's interesting to me, despite what.

anyone wants to say about Steven Greer, and I've got my own issues with Steven. Greer, what's interesting to me is that. the only person really who was making. noise prior to TTSA was Steven Greer. He. was the one that was putting out Netflix. documentaries that were getting seen by. millions of people all over the world. And he was saying, you know, these are. blackbudget illegal programs. This is a. anti-ongressional crime against. humanity. We need to be busting down the. doors. This is, you know, not not. exactly what they would want to hear if. they were inside the national security. state. There's this guy out there saying.

this. What do you do about that? Well, do you know how Tom Dong got linked up. at the very beginning to all of this? >> No. >> So, he's always been a UFO guy and. because of his background and, you know, the money, he was able to secure. connections and uh he was very friendly. with Greer. He was best buds with Greer. at one point. In fact, there's a video. of him when he's quite young and he's. pointing out all of the witness uh UFO. witness tapes that he's got on his uh on. his in his library and he's like, you. know, these are all I'm I'm holding on.

to these for a guy. He's got like 50. whistleblowers. He's bringing this all. out and this is before Grier, you know, kind of made the announcement. So it's. obviously Greer and um Tom Delong's on. Fade to Black in I want to say 2015. talking about this where he tells the. story of how a friend of his at Loheed. Martin calls him up and says, "Hey, we're having a family and friends meet. and greet over over at Loheed Martin. Would you want to introduce the bosses. to the stage?" And he said, "Yeah, but I. want 10 minutes with your bosses. afterwards." And they were like, "Okay.".

And so he went and he introduced him on. stage and then he tells a story of being. taken through, you know, these white. noise corridors and down into this place. where eventually he was chilling with. the guys at Skunk Works and, you know, these big directors are all sitting in. this room. They're like, "Okay, what. what is it you want to talk about?" This. is where he pitches to the Stars Academy. of Arts and Science and this framework. And what's interesting is on the radio. when he's talking about this, he's. saying you have to approach these guys. like you want to be of service. You. know, I was saying I'm being of service.

I want to I want to help. I want to. help. So, you've got a disruptive rogue. person out there, Steven Greer, saying. all this stuff causing commotion. What. do we do about that? I have no idea. Suddenly, in walks a rockstar. Use me. Because that's basically what he said. Use me. I'm happy to do whatever it I am. your conduit into the public. Now, no. disrespect to Tom. I've met him. He's a. lovely guy and he's very passionate. about the subject. But I do think he was. used. And what you get from there is the.

tutor the stars academy platform. Suddenly you have this official kind of. green lit disclosure very soft. disclosure that's nothing like Steven. Greer's disclosure and we're all being. encouraged to partake and support in. this very what what should we say. curated method of soft disclosure for. the people. I think that they were very. worried about what type of disruptive. truths might come out before it was time. to talk about them. And then suddenly. Tom Dong was a very useful medium for. communicating this. And when you see. things like the Wikileaks emails between.

him and John Podesta where he's. literally saying this is about. bolstering uh PR for the. military-industrial complex from a. disenfranchised youth and you know the. generations of youth today don't trust. the government. We want to change that. We want to change the perception of the. military and the government. He's. literally emailing John Podesta about. this. So it's very clear that at the. very least he was willing to be the. messenger of whatever message they. wanted to give him. And it just so. happens that that message completely. counteracts what Greer is talking about.

in terms of classified black budget. programs that have already cracked. reverse engineering. We cracked. anti-gravity in October 1954. You know. this kind of stuff. It's like complete. reversal of that narrative. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> Interesting. Well, makes sense. That's. the what's the term? Useful idiots. >> Useful idiot. >> Yeah. They they love doing that. And. >> you know, I've said it before, I'll say. it again. I know I've had people on this. podcast that were doing that with me. >> And I know they were coming on saying a. bunch of nonsense. But you have to let. them talk cuz. >> it all the truth comes out in the wash.

>> For sure. >> And uh I think what's interesting about. the age of disclosure is this narrative. uh of. the reality of what happened. If if it. did happen, there's lying to Congress. there's misappropriation of funds, you're going to need amnesty. And so. this is the narrative. This narrative is. we need amnesty. It's like. >> it's kind of a smart way to do it, right? Do it in a documentary. Have all. these people that are probably. implicated in some way. Say we need. amnesty. All these people that say that.

they know about these programs with. amnesty is important because. >> you know people been. >> but we what they've been doing really if. they have been doing what they we assume. they've been doing. We we assume they've. retrieved crashed UFOs and they've. backgineered them. We assume they've. used that technology. We assume they're. aware that there's nonhuman. intelligences that are far beyond our. technological capabilities and that we. interact with them. You've you've. committed a crime against humanity by. not telling people that.

>> because we. we all operate under the assumption that. we have an understanding of what our. role is in this this ecosystem of life. And if our role is not even remotely at. the apex, if we are being visited and. manipulated and if we're actually a. product of experiments, you should [ __ ] tell us. You can't. you [laughter] guys can't be hanging out. at Rathon in the [ __ ] conference.

room. >> You believe this [ __ ] like with your. gold Rolexes on you [ __ ]. >> Right. [laughter]. >> Tell them. >> But we can't handle the truth, right? They are right with the amnesty thing. I. think that's the pathway. Look, these. not these guys are not going to What. they stole, they stole. Okay? What they. did, they did. What the the lying to. Congress, the lies have been told. Let's. [ __ ] find out what the truth is. These guys, they're whatever they did, they did. Okay? You didn't stop it then.

Let it go. The more important thing is, let's find out if this is real. That's. more important than everything for the. race, for the human race, the entire. human race. >> and for science and technology to f to. have all this stuff locked down like. that and not allow the great young minds. that are coming up right now to have. access to this. It's crazy. You're. you're you're wasting one of the most. valuable resources that we have with. secrecy. >> I think there's so many different. reasons why they might want to keep this. a secret in terms of breakthrough energy.

and propulsion systems. Like there's so. many different implications to that, right? >> Massively disruptive. >> Massively disruptive. And and you know, could you imagine some like whacked out. [ __ ] dude with a zero point energy. device? Like. >> or you imagine some guy who's running an. oil company who finds out that they're. about to do something like that. Like. the [ __ ] you are like, how about this. guy at MIT that just got got. assassinated in his home? >> Dude, that's the wet works in the. corporate world is very real. I think. >> this is very real. [clears throat] This. guy was he one of the more disturbing.

theories he had was that not only is the. shift of the the magnetic poles that. here I'll I'll send it to you Jamie but. as his his take on it was that the shift. of the mag magnetic poles is necessary. >> in order to maintain uh. >> well I don't want to [ __ ] it up. >> or like a natural earth cycle that has. to happen. I'm sorry. I'm I'm trying to. think and look it up at the same time. >> Are you good? >> Here it is. I'll send it to you, Jamie.

Sorry for the dead air, folks. Okay, so. it says um. the assassinated MIT plasma scientist. warned that Earth requires periodic. magnetic reversals to sustain its field. >> Interesting. No reversal equals no. dynamo equals the magnetic field. dissipates. The last time this happened. in this in the tweet it says Noah's. flood. [laughter].

>> So, >> oh, Sunweather man. Oh, I know both. these guys. >> This guy who has this. >> whistleblower. Yeah, I've got him on. >> Is that not loading. >> the clip? >> Plasma physics 101 fluid description. >> It seems like the clip's not Okay, let's. hear what he has to say. It's really. interesting [ __ ] [clears throat] man. Um you mentioned that um. uh the earth the earth's magnetic field. was uh constant in the last uh. billion years.

>> So yeah um is it right that the earth. has lost 10% of its magnetic field in. the last 150 years and how come? >> So excellent question Alec thank you. Uh. so when I say the the earth's magnetic. field has remained roughly constant what. I mean is if you look over longish time. scales it's its magnitude is roughly.

constant but of course it varies right. and it reverses sometimes right and. those reversals of the earth it's. magnetic field so we know reversal. meaning the north pole becomes the south. pole and vice versa so those happen and. there's even interesting interesting. stories you can tell about how those. reversals of the earth's magnetic field. correlate with many ice ages and things. like this. Okay, but the the sort of the. idea is that if you average over these. periodic reversals, right, or.

fluctuations, the amplitude of the field. has remained roughly constant. Okay? And. the idea is that if there was no. induction, if there was no dynamo. working, you would you and I wouldn't be. talking, right? The magnetic field would. have diffused very quickly, right? In. within 10^ the 5 years, the earth would. be left without a magnetic field and the. earth's magnetic field protected from. cosmic radiation, right? And if you were. open to that radiation, we well, you.

wouldn't be here, like I said, nor would. I. >> Yeah. Thank you very much. Wild. And they just put bullets into. that dude. >> Well, and like you know, >> it could listen, it could have been a. robbery. We don't know. I mean, Massachusetts has a lot of robberies. >> They've got a lot of. >> It's one of them East Coast liberal run. cities. It's got a crime problem. >> Completely [ __ ]. >> And I'm sure, you know, as a MIT. professor, he's probably lived nice.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's possible. >> It's possible. But it also is possible. that somebody killed him. And imagine if. they killed him because he's telling us, "Hey, Earth's about to reverse its. magnetic poles and we might be [ __ ] A. cataclysm might be coming.". >> Well, this is this is what I think there. was a knowledge of in deep antiquity. that there was a knowledge of cycles of. earth cycles and they were preparing for. it. You know, why why are these. structures built in a way that's. anti-seismic that's like resistant to. incredible force, right? >> You know, the amount. >> Sax woman is such a good example of.

that. >> It's really an incredible example. I. mean, the the level of ingenuity and. also the fact that they're finding that. these walls go way deeper, right? Because not just the excavation where. they're going deep down and finding new. blocks of stone, but just the walls, there's key excavations going on around. the walls. They just keep going down. So, it's like this place was buried. Maybe a lot of earth push up and and you. know, submerged into the ground. Clearly, this place experienced some. form of global upheaval. And what's. really weird about a place like Peru for.

example is that prior to the well at the. end of the last glacial maximum around. 19,000 years ago when the earth started. to warm up again there were certain. climatologically stable corridors and. Peru was one of those areas which was. actually quite climatologically stable. M. >> so at the end of the um LGM the last. glacial maximum to the younger dry it's. about 6,000 plus which is 6,000 and. change now we've taken ourselves from.

horse and card to supercomputers in less. than 150 years so the idea that areas of. the world that had stability for about. 6,000 years couldn't create something. incredible and then the younger dus. comes and it takes it all away for the. most part it's very provocative in Peru. because of again the existence of the. Inca structures that are very quite. pristine actually and and still standing. very simple and yet they are surrounded. by broken megaliths and you know. multi-tonon structures that have.

>> gone through incredible damage. >> and what I was getting at what I was. saying about that area is the way the. stones are interlocked would protect it. against earthquakes. >> yeah dissipate the force through all of. these different areas it allows for the. force for the kinetic force to dissipate. through the structure instead of it. being focused and blowing apart one area. of it so it's clearly done for the. purposes of trying to prevent massive. amounts of force. Where would they get. that type of a concept from? >> It makes me wonder. It makes me wonder. if they did have a knowledge of great. cycles, you know, like the Adam and Eve.

story. You know, that whole thing that. was like classified by the CIA for a. minute. The Adam and Eve story. >> It was classified by the CIA. >> It was listed on their freedom of. information at library. >> Oh, right. What was that again? It was a. it was a deep uh research into cycles, great cycles of cataclysmic destruction. on Earth by a guy called his name was. Chan Thomas, but I think that was a. pseudonym for a fake not real name. And. he actually had at the beginning of it. like um a series of people he had listed. who without whom this book would not be. possible and it was like you know top. fivear generals and like it's [laughter]. like okay so you know this uh this guy.

had the you know Chan Thomas the Adam. and Eve story. It's all about this great. cyclical cataclysm that does take place. every what was it like 12,000 years or. something like that and that the. ancients had a knowledge of this and I. think that this is something that we. will probably begin to realize is that. somewhere in deep antiquity there was a. level of knowledge that is very. contradictory to what we understand now. and I think places like Peru places like. Egypt and others um Malta Gobeclete of. course it's becoming very palpable that.

there was something before this. >> also when you see the spikes of the. Earth's temperature when you see those. ups and downs, those glaciers and those. warming periods like what is there a. uniform time in between those spikes. >> in terms of. >> is it like predictable? >> I don't know. >> Is it like every 12,000 years it gets a. little funky? >> I imagine it's probably. >> for about 12,000 years comes back right. >> This is but this is again this is one of. the things that people in like you know. the conspiracy world would say they're. keeping from us. They're keeping this. knowledge. Yes, there are 12,000 year. cycles and we are just not being allowed.

to know that knowledge. But that seems. weird. I don't know. >> Well, well, they have models of the. past. Exactly. You know, from core. samples and things along those lines, but we do know that it's never static. And we do know that there have been. these periods and they do look like. like, you know, a strange graph. It's. not a flat line like, oh, look, it's all. getting warmer. No, it's it's always. crazy. So, like, what is causing these. dips and these rises and these these. weird periods that seem to be rhythmic? You know what I'm saying? It's not like.

there's an immense time of heating and. then a small time of cooling and then uh. No, it's it's up and down and up and. down. >> Well, it's it's almost like the. heartbeat of the planet, isn't it? You. know, you look at the planet as a. >> as a some form of conscious entity as. certainly capable of producing conscious. beings on top of it. So, I wonder about. that and the mcelial network and you. know, these these kind of elements to. the planet that almost seem like. neurological architecture. Well, even if. you could look from from afar, if you. could like have the concept of the. earth, like the water's moving, the.

clouds are moving. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. >> It's like a live thing almost. Yeah. >> Obviously, it's not moving because it's. tissue, but that doesn't mean that. there's not a force that's all connected. and working in harmony. >> Exactly. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean that's why I think plasmic. intelligence is very interesting because. it's this idea that a self-organizing. plasmic structure could in some way. create consciousness inside of it and we. don't understand where consciousness. comes from. We still don't. So it's very.

open to the idea of possibility and you. know I've spoken to some pretty. interesting. >> scientists like Dr. Salvatore Pais. He's. the guy that was responsible for the, you know, the UFO, US Navy UFO patents. that got put out a few years back, like. underwater, undersea. >> uh plasmic generators and things like. this. He was a US space force uh. engineer and uh he is very much of the. opinion that plasma itself is capable of. becoming conscious, not conscious on its. own. But 99% of the observable universe.

is made out of plasma. 99%. Okay. Isn't. it weird how we get taught about solids, gases, and liquids, but not plasma, the. fourth state of matter? That's 99% of. the universe. Why aren't we taught about. that in school? >> That's weird. >> Weird, right? Do you ever do you ever. remember being taught plasma in school? >> Well, when did they start learning that? >> Well, I mean, I don't know, but it's. certainly be before my time in school. I. didn't get taught it. You know what I. mean? >> So, why would they are you are you.

saying that they perhaps are hiding. this? I think that there's things within. plasma physics that are so novel and. exotic like these self-organizing EVOs, exotic vacuum objects, and the science. that they're studying in. Have you ever. heard of the Sapphire Project? >> No. >> It's kind of gone quiet now. Hal Putoff. got involved with it for a minute where. they're you know claiming to bottle the. stars and they're creating these plasmic. uh you know um self-organizing plasmas. inside these chambers that they were. claiming could transform metals from one.

metal into gold or you know like. transmutation of elements and complete. revolution of propulsion and energy and. then it just fizzles out. >> I always wondered about that. >> Why were people really trying to make. gold? Did that seems so crazy that you. think you could make something like. that? And I always wonder, did maybe. somebody used to make it and they have. like this story of how people used to. make gold? Like if there was like. imagine the caps of the Great Pyramids.

are in gold, right? And some. >> what if they're made that gold, >> right? >> Right. What if what if they had gotten. to it's not impossible to assume like if. the earth creates gold, it's not. impossible to think that we could take. the elements of the earth and create. gold as well. >> There's got to be a way to do it. >> Got to be a way to do it. >> Is there a way to create gold currently? >> I don't know. That's a good question. >> Let's uh put that into our sponsor. perplex look. >> And [clears throat] how do you make. gold? >> I changed the. >> Well, let me show you what I asked. first. Uh the alchemy history of gold.

and it automatically brought up ancient. Egypt metallurgy. >> Okay. >> Blending four classical elements. >> Whoa. >> So there is some sort of. >> air, fire and water and you make gold. [laughter]. >> It spread to to Greco and Roman texts. via the Islamic world in the 8th century. >> where they made experimental methods. Sulfur. I mean gold plating is maybe. what they're getting at. I don't know if. that's. >> unless they were trying to create gold. A lot of a lot of alchemy is is also. kind of personal alchemy, alchemy of the.

soul. And so it's not always necessarily. meant as a physical thing, turning base. metals into gold. It's more about. turning you base human into a golden. person. Like a lot of the times in. alchemy, it's more about the personal um. development of your spirit and your soul. mixed together with science. >> They're clearly talking about metallergy. here. >> Oh yeah. I mean like right here. Yeah. So, but I mean if you if gold was a. valuable if it was a valuable part of. technology, which it is,

>> and it had conducting. aspects to it, [clears throat]. >> it's very conducive or it's very it's. good at conducting. >> Conductive. Yeah. And you can make it. modern methods. Particle accelerators. like CERN's large hydron collider. achieve this by slamming lead nuclei. together in near miss collisions. generating intense electromagnetic. fields that eject three protons from the. lead 82 protons to form gold 79 protons. Wow. >> The Alys experiment detected up to. 89,000 gold nuclei per second during.

lead runs totaling or lead runs. I'm not. sure which one. uh totaling 29. picoggrams over years. Trillions of. times less than needed for visible. amounts. Whoa, that's crazy. [laughter]. Trillions of times less than needed for. visual amounts. >> Early 1980, Glenn Seabberg transmuted. bismouth into gold isotope using carbon. and neon beams at Lawrence Berkeley Lab. >> So maybe they used the pyramids for. lightning strikes to create gold with. iron ore streams and next thing you.

know, you get gold. That's why they had. so much gold. >> I mean, who knows? [laughter] Who knows. what they figured out? >> But we should be able to ask these. questions and not be. >> Well, it's certainly fascinating. It's. certainly fascinating that people have. been obsessed with the possibility of. making gold. >> Obviously, it's because gold is rare and. very valuable. But here's the question. Why is gold very valuable? It you can't. make a weapon out of it. Like how did it. rise to prominence? Isn't there like. some like translations that are, you. know, from like the old Samaran. Babylonian text where it's kind of like. we were made to mine gold for the.

>> That's all Zachariah Zachariah Sitchin, right? >> Yeah. Zachariah Sitchin though is very. controversial. I'm too stupid to know. who's right, but I do know that I always. when I talk about Zachariah, I always. talk about the website.com. [laughter]. >> So there's a website where it seems like. he was the only one that was buying into. that. And you know when I talked to Wes. Huff, he doesn't even think that. Zachariah Sitchin could actually read. Sumerian. Just [ __ ] guessing. >> Well, it might be, you know, I don't.

want to disparage the great man because. he's not with us anymore, but he might. not have been totally honest. Or he. might have been convinced. You know, some people just become true believers. >> Yeah. No, for sure. >> What he's saying essentially is that he. tried to learn Sumerian. Wes knows many. different ancient languages. Like he's. brilliant, brilliant guy. He's like, I. couldn't figure it out. I couldn't. figure it out. I couldn't do it. Now, obviously, there have been translations. of Samrian. There are people that can do. it. It's incredibly difficult. And it's. also apparently not related to any other.

languages cuz And it's so ancient. It's. weird. And then the Cunia form and all. that stuff. It's like. >> good luck, right? >> Good luck figuring out what they were. saying. >> I know. I always wondered how you'd like. actually kind of come to those positions. on it. It's it is incredibly complex and. the only people that really know are the. people that are that deep into it that. they can read it as well. >> and they don't seem to agree with him. But at the end of the day, like whatever. whatever was going on over in that part. of the world, they had a lot of.

discussions of things that came from the. sky. Yeah. >> They had a detailed map of the solar. system, >> which is very weird. a 5,000 plus year. old detailed map of the solar system. >> with all the planets, Jupiter, Mars, Earth. It's like, what's that? >> Yeah. How are you achieving this? >> What are these giant people with monkeys. on their laps. >> and like, you know, Gilgamesh holding a. lion like it's a little cat? Yeah. In. loads of statues. And, you know, >> why all these dudes have wings? >> Very, very typically dismissed as kind.

of like, you know, um, oh, it was just. a, you know, an intellectual giant, right? You know, giant of of power and. regality. It's like, okay, but there's a. lot of them. There's a lot of references. all across the world to these giants. So, you know, I I find that very. interesting. And um you know, like the. reality of fossils. >> Yeah. >> This is the reality of fossils. There is. a tiny tiny amount of all the things. that die that leave a fossil, >> right? >> Most things don't leave a fossil when. they die. They get absorbed by the. earth, eaten by by scavengers, >> bacteria, you rot away, the sun bleaches.

your bones, and it's over. within a few. hundred years there's nothing left. Occasionally you get lucky and someone. or a dinosaur gets falls into a bog and. you get evidence but if you don't get. that evidence it doesn't mean it didn't. exist. >> you know and exactly the giant one is a. weird one. >> It is a weird one. >> It's a weird one. >> because there's [clears throat] so many. depictions in ancient literature of. giants of giant beings and you got to. wonder okay are we talking about like.

men from Iceland right? Are we talking. about giants that are just enormous. human beings? Like those. >> big chads? >> But those dudes that do those strong man. competitions, they all like the. mountain. >> Yeah, man. >> Those guys all live in Iceland. They're. all from Iceland. What the [ __ ] is that. about. >> exactly? Well, yeah. What is that about? >> Vikings, >> right? [laughter]. >> They were the Vikings and that's what's. left. >> But is it that? Are we talking about. that? Or are we talking about another. race of human that's even larger? >> And if they found it, do they tell us?

Like they tell us about certain they. tell us about Dennis Oovven similar to. us. They tell us about Homo Julian. similar to us just a little bit bigger. They found a [ __ ] 4 foot skull. >> Do they tell us? >> Well, it's like there's like snippets, isn't there, from the black and white. days, 1920s where the Smithsonian kind. of very quickly covered things up and. like this is very much the. >> They had giant bones bones from a giant. human. >> Yeah, there seems to be. And there's. there's all these Native American. stories about giant redheaded humans. >> and and you know in the burial mounds. supposedly. >> But here's the thing is like this is the.

real question. Would if if archaeologist. stumbled upon a 4ft head. >> and they were under the you know the. guidance of the university would they. shut it down? >> That's such a good question. >> Would they release it? I I I am. fascinated by the fact that I have to. ask that question because I would assume. that if archaeologists found of course. they would release it. We have found. evidence of a giant, like a giant human. being. And this might be one the first. one we find. It might have been a whole. race of them that existed 20,000 years.

ago. >> Yeah. I I. >> would they tell us? >> I don't know, Joe. I don't. >> That's what's weird is we don't know if. they would tell us. >> I don't know if they would tell us. >> They might not. The government might. step in and say you are not allowed. >> Well, that's the thing is it might. supersede just academic circles and. archaeology. It might get a little bit. more serious. Why? with the implications. of our ancient history and you know what. exactly was taking place. I I am. fascinated by some areas that seem to. have a level of kind of like theologic. reference to them. So you know you know. the book of Enoch and the Watchers and.

they descend down on Mount Herman in. Balbeck right so that's Balbeck which is. uh Balbeck the lord of the Becka Valley. and Bal the storm god like the one that. everyone you know talks about the. sacrifices to Bal. Um. >> it's also the place that has these. insane trillion stones. I was just about. to mention them. Yeah, that's it. The. trillans. The tran stones. >> 800 to 1,000 tons. >> 800 to a,000 tons a piece. >> and they're not even laying on the. ground. >> No, they've been lifted up. They've been. lifted up quite significantly. And and.

this is the thing, man. It's like, you. know, some somewhere like this. So, you've got this weird story about this. is a basically 30 miles away from there. is Mount Herman where the where the. watchers apparently came down from the. sky. [ __ ] And then [laughter] you got. these impossible blocks in this and the. quarry there as well. the quarry there. you have like the stone of the pregnant. woman which is like 1,250 tons and. there's another one there that's like. 1,500 tons like these were never fully. excavated but they're there getting. ready and they've just been documented. in situ but then yeah 300 meters up the.

road or less is the temple of Jupiter. which again mainstream academics will. attribute to first century Romans but. the first century Romans had like wooden. pulleys and like little wooden cranes. like this is insane this is a 800 to. a,000 ton one block, three of them that. were lifted up. I think it's like at. least like 20 m or something, you know. [laughter]. You know, >> Jamie, can you please show us a photo of. it? I always love looking at these, >> especially if you can find one with a. human being standing in it like um.

Corsetti if he's like, it's phenomenal how big these are. >> It's so crazy. >> It freaks me out. It's so crazy to think. that they we believe they used some sort. of stone tools, copper tools, >> man like. >> and pulleys to get this place and you. got it out of the quarry. How? >> Well, and then. >> yeah. >> Oh, so that's that's a brilliant place. So that's Oint Peru. Fantastic area. Um. which I'll be showing in my next episode.

of Ancient Technology. >> It's the Trillium Stones. >> Trilith. >> Trilith. I can't say that wrong. [laughter]. >> Trilith. The trilith stones. >> Trilithan stones. Yeah. Balbeck. >> And what one of the interesting things. that Corsetti was saying is like that's. not even a place where they take a lot. of tourists to. Okay. So there it is. [laughter] So you see the person and. then look above how big those stones. are. >> This is not sensible to attribute to. first century Romans. >> No. Go back to just the Lebanon ones. That's it. They are so big. >> That one. And then there's a good black. and white one we see with the yellow. Yeah. There you go. These two little.

dudes sitting on top of them. >> Crazy. >> Absolutely phenomenal. And then you know. the the um the smaller blocks on top. that is first century Romans. Absolutely. without a doubt. There is obvious. evidence of the temple of Jupiter. Yeah. They built it on top of an ancient. ancient foundation which they were not. capable of doing. >> Probably a landing pad. >> That's [laughter] what so many people. say that you know whenever I post like. any it's like here's a landing pad for. the spaceship. >> Landing pad for ships. >> But what's crazy about that as well? Just a real quick aside. Well, not even. an aside. is an addition to that is that.

okay so the mainstream attributes this. to first century Romans but then the. Romans liked to brag about all the. things they did and 3rd century Romans. bragged about the Lateran obelisk that's. now sitting in Rome and the Lateran. obelisk is about 350 to 400 tons that's. the heaviest recorded lift in Roman. history these are 800 to a,000 tons they. never even mentioned them [sighs] so. it's weird that we attribute it to. Romans but it's because we within our. model for history. We can't not if we're.

going to listen to academics, right? So, you have to then invoke fringe theories. >> I had Rep. Luna on the podcast. >> and she's the one who really got me to. read The Book of Enoch. >> She's She's digging in. >> Oh, yeah. She's. >> She's digging in. >> She's all in on the UFOs. >> I know she [laughter] is. I tell her who. I mean, are is she useful to them? You. know, the whole thing. Maybe. Maybe. It's hard to know. But when I started. reading it now, if that was included in. the Bible, if they had because it really. is was rabbis that decided that it. didn't jive with the Torah, right?

>> Right. Right. >> And so they said, "No, no, no. This. one's too crazy.". >> If that was in the Bible and that's what. we were taught, [laughter]. >> things would be different. >> Can you imagine Sunday church, the. watchers came down and made But. meanwhile, that is in the same area of. >> Kuman. >> written down as the book of Isaiah. Mhm. >> So all these things that are included in. the Bible, that's that's there. It's all in the. same word. Why are we ignoring some of. it? Like that's really crazy. Why. ignoring the stuff that seems the most. kooky?

>> Again, I think that there's probably u. maybe disagreements because I mean, you. know, there's so so much change for the. biblical cannon from all of these. different, you know, councils like the. council of Nika, all these different uh. censorings and changing of of the of the. of the Bible. It's probably personal. issue. It could be something as simple. as just someone who personally did not. believe that. It's like that's [ __ ]. Remove that. That's not real. There's no. way they were giants. But I love how at. the beginning of the Bible, it's like. there were giants in those times and the. times before. >> Yeah. >> Anyway,

>> all over. >> Moving on. Never mention it again like. in any sort of real context other than. like, you know, David and Goliath in a. few situations. But no, I I really am. starting to wonder if there was a giant. race that was on this. Dude, I really. do. the Native American depictions. alone. >> Yeah. >> There there's too much story too many. stories of enormous men that they had to. kill. >> Yeah. Yeah. And they and they their. history, their oral tradition goes so. far back. >> Yeah. I mean, imagine we're talking. 10,000 now that we know that human.

beings lived in North America 22,000. plus years ago, right? So the the the. >> fossilized footprints that they found in. um New Mexico. So that's 22,000 years. So imagine if 22,000 years ago these. things were a real thing. How many of. them have you found? You haven't found. any bones of humans from 22,000 years. ago in North America. Have you? No. Right. So why? >> Exactly. >> Does the Smithsonian have them? These. [ __ ] [sighs] If they really do. have a giant down there,

>> I think I think they probably do, Joe. >> Can you imagine if there's like a. there's a tomb that you have to go into? It's like a vault. The guy cranks open. the vault. >> It's like the history version of Area. 51. You see a [ __ ] head the size of. this table and you're like, "What? >> That's what we're dealing with. That's. what we're dealing with." Yeah. >> Yeah. And we had to kill him off. >> Maybe. >> Which totally makes sense. Why would you. let that [ __ ] live, >> right? >> You got a 10ft tall, 12ft tall. >> That's a problem. >> Yeah. 2,000lb human that eats people. >> That is a problem. I wonder, you know,

always get this because like the. watchers themselves are never described. as giant beings, right? I I wonder where. the giant came into the equation. compared to them. >> Maybe maybe they were slight aliens like. alien grays or something. And you know, >> well, look at the disc description of. the Nephilim. How they destroyed. [clears throat] everything. Yeah. >> Like they created this this thing that. consumed everything and destroyed. everything including mankind. Like. >> what does that sound like? >> It sounds like us. >> That sounds like us. >> It sounds like us, >> right? And also like you're saying. mankind. Like mankind. What are you.

saying? Are you saying aliens? Are you. like what? Who wrote this? Yeah. Like. what is mankind? Like what does that. term mean? I bet you're not saying man. I bet you're probably using an ancient. language to describe whatever the. dominant force was at the time that's. writing all this down. What are we. talking about? >> What is these watchers? They mated with. humans. So what are they? >> And they created something that. destroyed everything. What? So okay, what is that? What are you talking. about? And doesn't that sound exactly. like humans? Like what do we do? We.

[ __ ] destroy everything. We destroy. everything. We light things on fire. We. suck all the fish out of the ocean. We. throw our garbage in it. >> We're We are so destructive. >> And we're so consuming. We consume, you know. We're one of the only animals. that dies because we eat too much. >> Yeah. Right. Right. >> Right. We're one of the only animals. >> Exactly. Yeah. Well, and we're one of. the only We are the only example on this. planet of the level of intelligence that. we have. I mean, it's just phenomenal. I. mean really quite phenomenal when you. consider all of the various avenues of.

evolution that have been given the. opportunity. >> We have a massive leap. >> phenomenal leap but a leap that has to. in some way have been intervened with in. my opinion. I mean it's such a quantum. leap in our ability of cognition and the. brain size. I mean I I do find the stone. ape theory very interesting and and you. know the concept of. >> uh using psychedelics and I think. there's a role to play in that for sure. But I uh I just think that when you when. you have such a novel uh trajectory. change from every other creature, every. other animal on this planet, that that.

tells me that there is something. fundamentally accelerated in in humans. And whether that can just be put down to. shamanic use of psychedelics, I don't. know. I think that when you invoke again. all of these various theologic stories, it becomes clear that something was. interfacing with us. And and perhaps at. one point we were interfacing with them. And there was a communication and a. relation that has since long degraded. after, you know, cataclysmic outreaches. And, you know, >> I think the evolution that came out of. psychedelics and and primitive man was.

the escape from the barbaric nature of. our roots. >> Right. Right. Right. >> I don't think it's necessarily the. development of the human brain. Mhm. >> I think it's probably a way to Well, also a way to use the human brain with. its primate background, but soften the. ego. >> Right. >> Right. >> And and and endorse a feeling of. community like and promote the feeling. of community and love and the. connectiveness that you get from. psychedelics. will allow you to traverse. the timelines between incredibly.

barbaric hunter gatherers with stone tip. tools to agrarian societies where people. are all living together and cooperating. and it makes sense. >> But the what doesn't make sense is the. giant leap to being a human in the first. place. >> No, >> it's kooky. >> It is. It is. >> and it's in the Bible. [laughter]. At least it's in the book of Enoch. That's the crazy part about it is that. they literally describe what we're and. not just us like many people have.

theorized like have we been a product. are we a product of genetic. manipulation? Are we a product of. accelerated evolution? Well, again, my my own experiences, I I. just feel like there is there is quite. obviously a vast intelligence spectrum. out there in my opinion. And I think it. goes beyond our own perception of space. and time. And I I think that there are. likely things that can come in from, you. know, realms that we just don't really. believe are real, like the astral and.

and, you know, even the realm of the. imagination is an interesting thing. What is this place inside of our heads. that we can instantaneously create. anything we want and all things. including everything on this table once. came from inside someone's mind? Like we. are excretors of ideas into reality. We. kind of render reality into something. that nothing else does. And I think that. there is a spark within us that speaks. to what people would call a divine spark. for sure. And maybe that is a divine. spark. Maybe it's a highly intelligent. race that intervened and gave us that. spark. But we are entirely different.

And I I do think that as we begin to get. deeper and deeper into kind of like the. the physics of of of our reality and our. fundamental connection to it, we start. realizing that our physiology, our body. is like an antenna. It's like a. technology. It's an instrument for. picking up on signals and perhaps even. consciousness itself. I don't know if. you're familiar with microtubules and. the orchestrated objective reduction. theory by Stuart Ham and Sir Roger. Penrose. >> How many times you bring that up to. people and they go, "Oh yeah, I know. what you're talking about.

>> Oh, I know exactly what you're talking. about." Well, I hang out with some weird. [ __ ] people, but I I I just uh. thought [laughter] thought it might have. come. I definitely have heard Duncan. Trussell say to you, "Microtubials, man.". >> Yes, >> microtubules. No. So, I I did an. interview with um an anesthesiologist. called Stuart Hamof, and him and Sir. Roger Penrose developed a model called. the orchestrated objective reduction. theory or orc O looking at microtubules, which are these tiny helical structures. inside our neurons. And I forget the. exact metric, but it's something.

ridiculous like 10,000 microtubules per. neuron. So it's just, you know, this. incredible architecture of these tiny. little helical structures that. apparently are so small that they. interact with quantum vibrations in. fields. That's how fine and tiny they. are. And the reason I bring this up is. because I think that we're getting. deeper now with things like the oro. theory into looking at the structures. within humanity that actually seem to be. receiving nodes or receptive nodes for. energy that could then be translated. into consciousness. The whole idea of.

are we generating consciousness from our. brain or are we we receiving. consciousness and we're just a conduit. for it. Yes. And I think the evidence is. getting a little bit more clearer that. we're a conduit. And I just wonder if. that's evolution naturally or if that's, you know, interaction from these others. that have come and meddled with our. genealogy. >> It's a good question that we'll have to. ponder when I come back from peeing. >> You do that. >> Let's Yeah, >> we'll pause. >> No worries. [laughter]. >> All right, we're back. Well, Jamie uh. brought something up which is a really.

interesting video that I took when I was. out in Sakara in Egypt again with. Jeffrey Drum. He was taking me through. and um yeah, this is an awesome place. So just for context before we play it, yeah, take it back to the beginning. Um, this is inside the pyramid of Ununas in. Sakara and this is deep down inside of. it, inside what they call the burial. chamber. Now you see all of these, you. know, amazing Arabic artwork that's been. quite, you know, relatively crudely. scratched in. Now you see that glow, that's actually calsite crystal and.

that's limestone. Now, the entire back. of this chamber, like this wall, the. back wall, the other wall, and the. ceiling and the floor is made out of a. slab of calsite crystal. But what's. really interesting about this is that. when you take a flashlight and you put. it in a certain angle on this wall, something very interesting appears. Boom. >> Huh. >> Anwise invisible. etching of an individual. You can see.

the navl, the belly button, and the. arms. And this is completely invisible. until you get that flashlight. Now, these have been actually. smoothed. Oh, there we go. That's promo. for my uh for my uh episode, but these. have actually been smoothed into the. calsite crystal itself. And then. obviously these Arab Aramaic writings. and pictographs have been scratched on. afterwards. Clearly, this is the. original artwork of this chamber, but. it's not perceptible. without a very specific angle of light.

that creates the shadows. And these are. on the other side of the wall as well. I. think in this clip maybe he doesn't show. it, but um very very strange. Now, this. entire uh pyramid is acoustically. profound. I mean, the the uh acoustics. inside of this are unbelievable. the. amount of echo that you get and the. entire Sakara site. We went around it. and I mean my god it's a weird site man. You've got again just incredibly huge.

slabs of rose quartz granite. And. there's one area that's like on the. other side of the pyramid, not even near. the entrance, which is just this huge. port cullis um made of granite with. interlocking pieces where it clearly. another piece of stone was slid between. them. But this is nowhere even connected. to the pyramid infrastructure and they. don't say anything about it. Strewn. across this entire place, you've got. huge blocks of granite with drill holes. in them. You can see the striation marks. going all the way through them. And his. opinion, Jeffre, and I think there's.

merit to it because in Cairo Museum, there's a little cabinet of uh. laboratory equipment like jugs and. apothecary bottles that were recovered. from Sakara, including a little plate. Um there's like a little plaque. This. wasn't included. This is put into the. actual exhibition, but it's tucked into. the corner of Cairo Museum. You have to. find it. You have to really look for it. There's a little plaque saying that the. uh the area of Sakara was a laboratory. And again, like this completely.

contradicts all of the things that they. say about ancient Egypt, but it's in the. Cairo Museum. It's literally written as. the ancient laboratory of Sakara. And. so, you know, what's going on there? Why. why is there a contradiction like that. that's being acknowledged? And it's um. it's it's truly just a incredible place. with these shadow figures and the. acoustic resonance of the site, the rose. granite. So, why do you think that it. was originally these carvings were in. the wall and then they wrote on it. afterwards? >> Well, I think it's just another case of. a later civilization coming across an.

incredibly amazing place and and carving. on it. Maybe they didn't even see these. figures because you have to have a very. specific type of light to actually be. able to see them. You have to get it at. that angle. It's possible. >> You can't detect by looking at it that. there's some variation. >> I mean, you can see when you actually. know what you're looking at, >> but barely anything. It's like really. hard to perceive. So maybe they didn't. even know that these things were down. there when they went. There's another. part of this when you're going through. the chambers where it's rose granite, rose granite, and then plaster where. you've got hieroglyphics put on the top.

and you can actually see the plasters. kind of bleeding off into the rose. granite. So it feels like they found it. They slapped some hieroglyphs on it. They, you know, put their own veneration. around it, but it was not an original. structure of the Egyptians. Once again, a place that they found and settled. around. But it's just weird that in the. Cairo Museum, you have like this tiny. little shelf full of beers and measuring. jug type things and it says that the lab. complex of Sakara, it just doesn't make. any sense in comparison to what they're. trying to tell us is the reality of this. place. So that's, you know, that's.

weird. >> It's all weird. >> It's it's all weird. [laughter]. >> Yeah. That that's why the. the bottleneck of talking about this. stuff is so infuriating. This is the. same place, by the way, we have the. Capium, you know, the 80 ton boxes that. are precision marble top, the ones that. Christopher Dunn went down into and was. like, "These have been. >> machined." Machined. >> Pull up a photo of those, please. They're strange. >> Mhm. >> It's like, what what do you think they. were doing with those things? Like, what. are what was the purpose?

>> Well, you know what's interesting is. >> what was the drill? >> They they were um. >> So, these things are absolutely. incredible. >> And there's a few questions with this. one. If you go on to that image, um, zoom out, just go to that image on the. right where you've got the entrance, just the entrance into the, yeah, this. one here. So, this is, you know, this is. the entrance into the cereapium or the. serapium, however you want to pronounce. it. It's a subterranean labyrinth, and. these corridors are extremely small. There's actually a half finished um, a. half-finished one sitting in the middle. of a corridor, and you can kind of.

really get a scope for the size, but. these are 70 ton 70 to 80 ton um, granite sarcophagi. uh they attribute it. to the Apis bulls. They say that there. was a you know a cult around this region. that venerated the apis bulls and that. these were burial chambers for the apis. bulls. But you know the you know what's. funny about that is the only the only. thing that they have to evidence this is. no no bones of bulls or anything like. that. What they have is a single. hieroglyph on one of these um one of.

these boxes of a bull. That's it. They. have a hieroglyph with a bull on it. And. that's why they attribute it to the Apis. bulls. Regardless of the fact that these. are precision carved 80 to, you know, 70. to 80 ton granite marble top smoothed. boxes with even more precision inside. They're even more precise on the inside, which is strange. You wouldn't. necessarily need them to be that precise. if they're justery boxes. But the. precision is actually more impressive. internally than it is externally. And um. >> how long would it take to make one of.

those? >> Good question. Make it move it. Put it. in place. That bull's long dead. Let it. go. >> Let it go. >> Years by the time you finish that thing. >> That's crazy. >> These things are nuts, man. Absolutely. nuts. >> And this is one of the big things that. Christopher Dunn saw and was just like, "No, no, there's just no way.". >> Look at the people standing next to. those stones. >> I've been I've been inside one of these. >> that someone moved it there and then put. that other one on top of it. >> Unbelievable. >> When, who, how. >> Yeah. And again, like, you know, >> to say that's not a mystery is nuts.

>> It is nuts. And and and also, if you go. on that image where they're shining a. light and someone's leaning on it on. like the right hand side. Yeah, that one. there. So, so many of these um the boxes. themselves are is so precise, but the. actual writing is extremely crude. It's. been scratched on. It's basically just. been scratched on. And a lot of them, it. kind of feels like, as a lot of these. pharaohs did, they just went and slapped. a cart on it. I own this. This is mine. Right. >> And so, you know, the the exterior work. contradicts the advancement of the.

actual box itself. It doesn't make. sense. There's only one in here that's. actually got 3D actual carved in. artwork, and that one actually does make. sense. But these ones are all chicken. scratch. It's just been scratched on, >> of course, which is what people do. >> Which is what people do. >> I mean, a lot of history of human beings. doing that to ancient things. >> Yeah. If you go on that third image, actually, that's an interesting image. because you've got these such low. quality. That's a shame. But you can. actually see these dimples where they've. smoothed out the stone. And what's weird.

about this is that so if these were. boxes, you would expect the external to. be the most impressive because that's. what people are going to see, right? But. instead, you actually have a lot of mal. foration on the boxes. And one of the. theories about this, and this is. something that There we go. It's a good. example of this. One of the theories. about this and one that Jeffrey Drum. brought up for me is that whatever was. going on inside of these cases, the. exterior had to have absolutely zero. critical imperfections. So any cracks, anything that was problematic would have.

been dissolved out, smoothed away. And. you have this this weird kind of. dimpling on a lot of these. And. somewhere you can actually see a crack. where the crack's been removed and it's. been kind of smoothed out. And then. inside it's like 90 degree just perfect. And so it just kind of contradicts the. idea of it being for the you know aery. purpose. You'd expect the outside to be. absolutely perfect and and beautiful but. it's not. It's all kind of malshaped and. as if they were trying to remove any. sort of cracks, anything that could. cause a structural problem and then.

inside they're perfect. So it it does. make me wonder about the real purpose. behind these. >> Why why are you assuming that it would. be cracks? Why wouldn't it just be that. they didn't have a need to finish the. top of it? >> Because some of them finished carpentry. >> Well, some of them are finished quite. profoundly and then you have others that. have got these big dimples in them where. it just looks like they were trying to. remove anything that might have been a. critical like damage to the structure. Obviously, this is guesswork.

>> The the purpose of that would be to keep. it from cracking all. >> to keep it from cracking all the way. through. I just find it very interesting. that the inside is more impressive than. the outside for something that's meant. to be, you know, viewed as aerary box. for. >> right an enormous box. >> An enormouserary box. >> Has does anybody have a wacky farout. theory of what they were actually for? >> I mean, there's always some I mean, one. of them I find interesting is the idea. that they could be like some form of. like a sound bath, like an isolatory. chamber where they would go into and and. have like some form of experiences. >> Yeah. You got to count on someone to.

move [clears throat] that [ __ ] thing. like, you know, it's it's [laughter]. >> there's such there's such a strong. there's such a a strong evidential trail. of of acoustic sciences in the ancient. past, especially um archo acoustics in. terms of the actual architecture itself. Like the pyramids, they're designed to. resonate like um one [clears throat] of. the most sorry, one of the most interesting places that. I've been to in terms of um looking at. the acoustics of places as well is. Malta, the island of Malta. And the.

island of Malta is very interesting. because when the Bronze Age settlers. from Sicily and other areas of Italy. came over to Malta for the first time, they discovered an island that was. absolutely littered with megalithic. sites. And Malta has got the highest. concentration of megalithic sites in the. world. But there were no people. They. all gone. No one knows who they were. It. was just a land full of these incredible. megalithic temples. And one in. particular called the Hypergem of. Halffleeni. Now the hypergem is. fascinating, dude. It's a subterranean.

huge huge uh temple temple that was. discovered by road workers and they were. literally just chipping away at the road. and then it collapsed in and they find. this huge what they call a necropolis. because they found hundreds of skeletons. down here. This thing is incredible. This is all carved out of the limestone. and it is a overlapping geometric series. of chambers that is so obviously. acoustically tuned that if you actually. um if you wanted to search hypergem.

acoustics, it will come up with studies. where they've noticed that this is. absolutely a deliberately acoustically. tuned complex. Go on the actual website, not not images. That's an interesting. one. whether or not it's entirely. accurate. Someone's comparing the. HyperGM to the human ear specifically. because of the fact that this place. absolutely is acoustically tuned to. resonate between 110 and 115 hertz which. is the bandwidth to activate certain. brain states like alpha and theta brain.

where you can get into more meditative. states of consciousness. And only 20% of. this site is accessible to the public. 70% of it's locked off. And they treat. it like a skiff. They take your phone, they take your camera, you can't bring. any audio recording devices into it, nothing. Very curated tour for like, you. know, 30 minutes and then out. >> Why is 70% of it locked off? >> That's a great question. They they say. it's for preservation of the site. because it's such a delicate neolithic. It's prehistoric. They believe it's. prehistoric. Um, and again, this speaks.

to what was going on in prehistory. because this is a acoustically profound. series of chambers that have been carved. out of the limestone bedrock by people. that we attribute bone antler tools to, you know, chipping away at it with bone. antler tools and they made something as. profound. >> So, when you say prehistoric, >> well, they they they dated to I think. about 5,000 years ago. About five Yeah. Mainstream. Mainstream. >> What? >> Mainstream. Yeah. Yeah. um. >> carved. >> carved it's it's it's. >> carved out of the bedrock. >> out of the bedrock. >> out of the bedrock. It's huge huge.

thing. And what's even weirder about it. >> is that they found all these elongated. skulls at the bottom of it. And one of. I've seen one personally. I went to the. Museum of Valleta in Malta and saw one. of these elongated skulls. What's very. interesting about these skulls is that. they actually lack the sagittal suture. that we have going down the back of the. head. So you know we have this uh this. sagittal suture which pushes the growth. plates together as you come through the. birth canal. Um not that one uh.

the third one the sorry the fourth one. that one and then there's other images. which are actually the one below it. where you've got skulls recovered from. the hypergem. Yeah. So this is the. elongated skull. It's only got the. horizontal horizontal suture no vertical. suture which is what all humans have a. vertical sagittal suture. Um, now. apparently. hundreds of elongated skulls were. discovered in the Hyper GM, but only a. couple of them are on display in. Valleta. And I've got a couple of. friends who are in Have you heard of the.

Knights of Malta? >> No. >> It's a kind of a secret order, a bit. like Freemasonry. It's spawned from the. Vatican. The Vatican basically threw. these people into Malta and said, "Fuck. off, and go do your weird stuff over. there." But now it's a very connected, you know, kind of like with the Vatican. order. Uh, the Knights, the Knights of. Malta. Very powerful. A very powerful. group. um. very much in the geopolitical world. world stage and a friend of mine who's. within that uh was like yeah they bring. out this book once a year in the Valleta.

Museum and uh it's detailing the skulls. of the hypergeim and apparently tells a. story of how the locals would throw. bodies down there because there are. beings down there that they wanted to. prevent from coming up to the surface. and this is the strange thing is the. hypergeim is full of normal human bodies. hundreds not buried with respect but. just piled down there and then also. elongated skulls. And the story is. according to this very ancient book that. they bring out and put out once a year. You have to be lucky to catch it. Um it.

apparently describes that they were. using this as a place to discard bodies. to prevent these creatures from coming. up to the surface. >> So they were feeding them. >> Feeding them feeding them. >> So when people would die, they would. just throw them down that hole. Or when. people were bad people. >> maybe. Yeah. Yeah. throw him down that. hole to to. >> So these elongated skull things were. eating people. >> Well, that's that's you know the. connections we might make from that kind. of connotation from these books. But. that's that's certainly something that. is rolled out in the Valleta Museum once. a year if you get to go there and see. it.

>> Um so you know. >> is that like an ancient version of. Scientology [laughter] like somebody. make all this up. >> dude I don't know but well I mean in. terms of. >> very strange that there's. >> the hyperge human skeletons down there. Oh yeah. I mean, I did find a profound. amount of them, which is why the. mainstream labels it as a necropolis, but there's no burial respect being. done. It was just piles of bodies. Like. piles of bodies, dude. Um, and and. again, it's just so profound. So, >> this is called the oracle room. >> Yes, the oracle room. Yeah, this is. where the sound concentrates. The.

>> description I found here, uh, these two. paragraphs, I guess it's going to be a. little long, but it's not that long. During testing, a deep male voice tuned. to these frequencies stimulated a. resonance phenomenon throughout the hypo. gamm creating bone chilling effects. It. was reported that the sounds echoed for. up to 8 seconds. Archaeologist Fernando. Comria or Combra Coimbra Coimbra said. that he felt the strong the sound. crossing his body at high speed leaving. a sensation of relaxation. When it was. repeated, the sensation returned and he.

also had the illusion that the sound was. reflected from his body to the ancient. red ochre paintings on the walls. One. can only imagine the experience in. antiquity, standing when in what must. excuse [clears throat] me in what must. have been somewhat odorous dark and. listening to ritual chant while low. light flickered over the bones of one's. departed loved ones. Holy [ __ ]. >> Yeah, dude. that [clears throat] uh might have felt. like what drugs do to us.

>> Yeah. So, >> oh, so they made a drug house. >> He goes on to state, yeah, under right. circumstances, ancient populations were. able to obtain different states of. consciousness without the use of drugs. or chemical substances. >> or maybe in this Monroe Institute of. Applied Sciences and Binaural Beats way. way before we were around. This is the. it's called psycho acoustic. architecture. the idea that ancient. architecture is designed in a way to. propagate acoustics that affect the. human brain. >> Now imagine this is 5,000 years ago and.

where did you learn that from? Right? >> How did you do that? >> Did you fail? Did you learn where's. what's the science? >> And another interesting. >> how do you know. >> element is um there are a lot of temple. sites in Malta that look weirdly similar. to New Graange in Ireland. And New. Graange is another psychoacoustic. temple, if you want to call it a temple. It's a huge mound if you look it up. Um, but within it they've done again.

acoustic studies and it propagates uh. infrasound sound below the threshold of. human hearing and that's the stuff that. reverberates through your chest cavity. through your bone structure. That's what. that guy is describing. It's infrasonic. sound. You know when you're like. >> this is it? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a. >> How old is that? >> Oh god. Again, Neolithic. I don't know. the exact date, but it's Neolithic. And. these spiral patterns are in the. hypergeim. Those those spiral patterns. are in the hypergeim in red ochre. This. is Ireland. The same structure. The that. very famous um Irish this this, by the.

way, is incredible because it's. completely singular. There's no break in. the line. That's a very hard piece of. geometry to actually create um at the. time as well. It's extremely complex. because all of this feeds into itself. There's no break in that line. It's a. very complex geometry. But that same. type of geometry is also found in the. hypergeim and it's found in red ochre on. the painting. These swirling these. swirling kind of motifs. So it's very. interesting. You have these weird. correlations between places that were. separated by entire oceans in Neolithic.

time. >> Do you think that represents sound. waves? >> Yes. Yeah. I think it's about the flow. of acoustics, the flow of of of of. movement and and sound. And that was. perhaps their interpretation or perhaps. they had a visual hallucination that. gave them the idea of it being this kind. of like swirling pattern. But yeah, I I. I find this yeah, this is Ireland. And. um there's just some striking. similarities between places like this in. places in Malta. So again, it just leads. into the idea that there was perhaps, you know, a globally maritime connected. civilization that was using these.

psychoacoustic attributions in sights to. produce novel effects of consciousness. you know, inducing uh brain hemisphere. synchronization just like they're trying. to do in my ass with the CIA. >> And here's the real question. How did. they learn how to. >> How did they learn how to do that? >> And how long did it take before you. figured out how to carve that out of a. mountain? >> Yeah, exactly. You know, these are the. questions that are absolutely not being. answered by our understanding of. history. These are the, you know, the. red ochre um uh the the more rough ones. are the ones in the hypergem. Incredibly.

old. also also a very good. >> Yeah. Like. >> it's it's nuts. >> Is that is that that other cultures have. that as well, right? Those spirals. >> Yeah. Yeah. So that's what I mean. So. that right there is also in New Graange. in Ireland like pretty much the same. It's not just two places. There's some. other places in the world. >> The swirling motif is one of the oldest. I mean it is one of the oldest. There's, you know, it's everywhere. But the. implication of it being about sound is. very interesting when you find it. represented in places that are.

absolutely acoustically tuned from. prehistory. >> Weird. >> Yeah, dude. Like, you know, it's weird. There's another one in Peru called. Shaven Deont, which is a um there's a. temple built above it. This is another. thing that you find. I mean this one in. in Malta they haven't done this but you. do definitely seem to find layering like. gam padang in Indonesia where you have. like the original structure below and. people are just piling up on top of it. over time. So in Shav Hunter in Peru you. have this amazing temple site but below. ground is a labyrinth of corridors that.

also propagate acoustics to the point. where it brings up infrasound. So below. this is a is an infrasonic laboratory. essentially of labyrinthium passages. that we used for ritual acoustics. And. they actually found inside of this conch. shells that had been purposefully. re-engineered to produce a new harmonic. when blown into them. Like they had. actually changed them into a different. >> go in the acoustic chambers and blow the. con shells and someone would obviously. be walking through this perhaps as a a. form of right of passage. >> Could you imagine going back in time.

these [ __ ] people were up to being a. fly on the wall? >> I wish we could. Yeah. So that you know. it's not incredibly profound. stonemasonry, but it does produce. infrasonic reverberation. They have. proven that and looked it up and and. yeah, the conch shells were found there. that have got all of these designs on. them and have been purposefully changed. to produce a different sound. So there. is a there is a clear lineage of. acoustic science way before acoustic. science was acoustic science, you know, at least to our terms. So brings up big. questions. and the fact that it was.

influencing consciousness. I think that. we just had an incredibly intelligent. but shamanically orientated society at. one point. You know, we were using our. human ingenuity, but we were using it to. create effects more spiritually aligned. than anything else. And you know, these. are all chambers for inducing expanded. states of consciousness. >> The real question though is what. technology were they utilizing for the. construction? That's the real question, especially when you get to the. megalithic stuff. >> Yeah. >> What were they doing? Like what is this? cuz this is not what we're saying it is.

There's no way this is stone tools. There's no way this is copper. This is. something nutty. >> Well, that's why the nubs are. interesting because it it almost seems. like this the stone was being softened. and perhaps like you know if you were. pulling a spoon out of hot toffee. You'd. get that pullback, right? You get like a. little kind of protrusion that they do. and then they don't. That's what's. really weird about it. Especially in. Peru. Peru has so many stone nubs. Like. there's a place in Peru called the the. Kikancha which is like uh the the kind. of main temple in Kusco the sun temple.

and you know these precision there's. various layers of architecture in Peru. albeit it's all being attributed to the. Inca which is weird rough cut stonework. then the weird megalithic kind of. smooshed together stones then you have. what's called Ashla stonework which is. where it's like a bunker if you look at. the it's it's it's spelled with a you Q. O R I K A N C H A KI Kcha. Um if you.

look it up like and and look in Yeah. So. you have to go inside it really to. really get this um the bunkers inside of. it. These look at the wall on the. outside actually real quick before you. do that. Um if you click on one of these. images and just enlarge it. Um. uh the third the first one's probably. the best one. Yeah. So that's Ashla. Stonework. That bottom bit that is. original. This was built by the. concistadors, right? The rest of it's. been built up by the concistadors from. Spain. But this original stonework is. also represented inside with these.

incredible bunkers. So if you type in. like bunker, it's got yeah like um this. image here like I the level of precision. on these is is absolutely phenomenal. I. mean we're talking just complete precise. fitting stones. Not globular like saxo. woman like marshmallows but just precise. blocks like these bunkers here. Yeah. Like down here. This is all original. work and then they built a you know. Spanish inspired temple over the top of. it. Um. >> so what you're asserting is that this.

was here first. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. This this stuffy was. here first. Like this stuff was. absolutely here first. And if you look. up there's a there's a little nub little. stone nub right at the top there. And. they but some of these walls have like. 10 nubs on them. Like one here, one. here, one here. And then there's none. So it's like they were smoothing out. some of them, leaving others. Some have. speculated that it's a form of language. because in Peru the Inca, do you know. what the Inca language was? They're like. written language. It was called Kipu and. it wasn't written. It was pieces of. string with knots on them in different.

colors. That was that was the historical. language. So it was literally like a. line of different strings, different. lengths, different colors with little. knots in them which corresponded to. data. And most of this was lost by the. Spanish concisadors cuz they went over. there and was like, "Burn this [ __ ]. Burn this pagan nonsense." Yeah, this is. this was their language. >> Oh my god. >> This was their language. And it just. made me wonder, obviously this is a. complete guess, but it just made me. wonder if like the stone nubs are stone. kipu. >> Is it a stone version with all these. different nubs on different places and.

different areas? Cuz it just feels like. especially in the kodicans, which is a. temple. This is a regal temple. Why. would you leave the nubs on? like you. said, why wouldn't they smooth these. down? So, it's almost like it's it's. meant to tell us something and they're. left in very specific areas. Then in. Peru, you get stone nubs protruding. straight out of bedrock. >> That's what weirds me out is that it's. not just on the crafted stones, but like. a sheer rock face that's been obviously. kind of quarried down by some unknown. technique without any chisel marks just. straight. And then you have like a group.

of nubs coming out of the stone. So Peru. is is just full of contradictory. architecture and I think that you know. the Spanish went over there and they saw. places like Saxo Woman and they. attributed to the Inca you know they. attributed the Inca the Inca the Andian. shamans say it's not the Inca you the. Inca themselves to the Spanish. concisador said it's we found these. places but we take the words of the. Spanish concisadors and we apply it to. our knowledge set and we teach that and.

it's just like I was saying to you. before we we're basing so much of our. history off of like the word of people. from like the 1800s when clearly we're. seeing contradictions of that even in as. Graeme Hancock would certainly say the. oral traditions of the local region. The. people are saying differently but we're. listening to the foreigners who went. over there and destroyed things and. burnt things and burnt the keeper and. went back and taught us what their. civilization is all about. It doesn't. make any sense. >> Wow. >> But yeah, Peru's Peru is fascinating, dude. Peru Peru is one of the most. interesting places I've ever been. And. it has it had the same level of.

discovery of. >> not like Egypt. >> No. >> No. I mean like there are there are. areas in Peru. In fact, shout out to my. friend Ral Blei from Pillars of the. Past. He's a guy who's out there in Peru. literally just going out into the middle. of nowhere. He's found pyramid sites in. the middle of nowhere that have. absolutely zero um uh recording, no. excavation, no study, no name, just. there. They they don't exist in the. record, but they're out there in the. middle of nowhere in Peru. And and so.

like Peru has. >> many. >> He found a pretty impressive complex. actually. Um [laughter] he found a. pretty impressive complex. He's got. videos of it like drone footage. >> So it's one of the places where you. could actually still be a real explorer. and find things for the first time. >> Yeah. If you if you want to go off into. the Andian mountains, like he's finding. stuff in the Andi high up in the. mountains that nobody's documented. Like. nobody's seeing it. He's a real, you. know, real adventurer. But it just. proves that yeah, like you said, the. there are still places like this where. you can do discovery. >> That's Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Peruse.

>> That is really nice. >> And then obviously you have the Amazon. rainforest and like you know all of the. things that could be in there through. LAR. We're already seeing so much. geometry, so much evidence that there. was a massive amount of civilization. going on in that jungle. So you know. this is you know getting very. interesting to me. And again, this weird. climatological stability through the. last glacial maximum, the younger. driest, this period of about 6,000 years. where they had access to development. without being disturbed. So, you know, you have these incredible anti-seismic, anti-earquake megalithic structures in.

Peru, using materials that they. shouldn't have been able to use, using. multi-tonon stones. That's an. interesting area. Although, I will say. that it's made out of tough, which is. volcanic rock, very easy to cut because. it's actually compressed ash. So, that's. a really cool place, but it's it's not. as mind-blowing in terms of how they cut. the rock because it's extremely soft. rock. But, um, >> so this is doable. >> This is this is doable. This is doable. But, there are other things. In fact, if. we could could you go on my YouTube. channel real quick? Um,

this is this is there's an area in Sax. Woman which has got um there's a diorite. outcrop which is a incredibly hard. stone. Um there's a measurement of. hardness scale that goes up to 10 with. diamond being the hardest and diorite. sits at about 6.5 to 7 out of 10 whereas. bronze sits at 3 to 3.5 out of 10. So. you know there's a discrepancy with the. hardness of the material to start with. >> but um in this video. >> Yes. So there's um if you go back to the. beginning sorry I wish I could see the.

screen. Um. it's oh it's going to be difficult I. think. Keep it playing though. I'll I'll. I'll talk about this and they will come. up in a moment, I'm sure, but all across. Peru, you have these incredibly precise. cuts into bedrock with very little. evidence of any sort of chisel marks and. no real understanding of how they were. able to excavate it. you know, these. incredible just voids into the rock. But. there's one area in particular, this is. just the beginning of my video, but. there's one area in particular um in Sax. Woman, which is this gigantic um in.

fact, you could probably just type it in. if you typed in Saxawan um diorite. steps or something like that. >> Sax woman is not the easiest word. >> I know. [laughter]. Saq s a s a y sax. >> Okay. >> Wan w a ma n. Yeah. sucks a woman. Uh, diorite. steps. Uh, diorite spelled. Sorry, mate. Yeah. D I O R I T E. >> Damn it.

>> It's all right, brother. But I mean, like we're I think we're actually. getting. >> I just I'm trying to listen while I'm. typing and it's. >> No, I know. It's all right, dude. But um. yeah, so yes. Uh yes, that's the one. So. the this this is diorite. This is. incredibly hard stone. To give some. context, you know, the the the the. stones that sax a woman are extremely. impressive, but they are made of. limestone, a little bit softer, bit more. workable. This is impossible. If you can. find a HD I've got a 4K video of this, like that's why I wanted to see it in.

that video, but if you can find a HD. image, it's shined like a marble top. Like these are just precision cut into. this huge outcrop of diorite, which they. actually believe was a magma burst. So, a huge blob of magma came bursting out. of the out of the ground and formed into. this huge stone mound that's adjacent to. Saxa woman and you've got cuts like this. where it's just insanely perfect. And. this is not possible with a Bronze Age. toolkit. This to me is actually more.

interesting in in some ways than Sax. Woman itself because it's just a. complete contradiction of the Bronze Age. tools. You shouldn't be able to do that. on diorite. >> Yeah, it's wild. I mean, how long did. that take? >> And it's smoothed down to a point where. it's like shiny. >> And what did they do? Why? >> And what's the purpose of it? Why? Like, and and there's all these effort. involved in doing something like that. >> Yeah. There's all these weird little. cuts into the stone like that. And. across Peru, you just find like, you. know, these voids where it's just like a.

90° cut into stone with perfect finish. and no sign of chiseling. >> And the weird thing is the back is. smooth, too. >> And the back is also smooth. How'd you. get it out of there? >> Dude, this is the thing, man. I just. find that so like fascinating. This is. what really. >> clearly seems like there's a lost. technology. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That these ancient people had figured. something out. They probably existed for. thousands of years. They're probably. really advanced just in a different. pipeline. Yeah. They went in a different. highway. >> I will say this and and I'm sure you'll. be happy that I'm bringing him up. There. is one guy out there who's trying his.

best to prove how they were liquefying. Stone and then bringing it back. And I. only know his ex handle, which is faux. mahun, like fo m- a hu n. Um I I can't. remember his actual name, but I've been. talking to him. I'm thinking of actually. going out to visit him and film him. doing this, but he's been demonstrating. making teddy bear casts of rose granite. and things like this. And for a long. time, he wasn't revealing how he was. doing it. So I kind of just was like, "Whatever, dude. Like I don't think that. you're actually doing this." But he's.

now actually revealed his secret. ingredient, which is slaked lime. like. this slaked lime which was very easy to. make for them and water glass which. again is something that they could have. made. I don't know the science behind. this to be fair. So I'm just going to. briefly say that I think he's got some. provocative ideas here because he's. actually adding like this water glass. and slaked lime to like you know m um. mixed up compounds of granite or. limestone like crushed up granite. crushed up limestone adding the slake. lime adding the water glass and then.

it's solidifying into solid granite like. within 6 hours. >> What? >> Yeah. and he's got like literal like. teddy bear cast like you know different. like cookie cutter casts of solid. granite and so there's a potential that. it's really simple but totally been. overlooked you know it's just using the. the right compounds the right components. and the right stone mixture again how do. they learn this but it you know it's not. definitive but he he's one of the only. people I've seen that's actually. presented actual evidence that could. explain how they were doing this and. it's relatively simple ingredients.

>> that would account for some things Yes. The enormous. Okay. So, this guy. >> Yeah. So, he's um I think so if you go. up and just make sure he's actually the. right person. >> Yes. Yes. There we go. Marcel, >> brilliant idea to create artificial. granite with nothing as an additive to. water glass. The latter being the glue. between original granite grains. Why? Because I realize we need full. transparency. In order to clearly see. the original granite grains like quartz, we need a fake quartz as a binder. Well,

nothing did not work because the outside. layer prevented the thing to get hard. inside. Oh, well, nothing did not work. I guess. I don't know how he's saying that. Now, what we are seeing is made with a secret. additive. Let's call it almost nothing. That did not change the transparency of. the water glass, but forced it to set. from the inside. So, remember this is. the wannabe binder only of artificial. granite, not granite itself.

It's very interesting. And he's revealed. that it's slaked lime, this secret. ingredient. For a while, he wasn't. saying what it is, and now he said it's. slaked lime. So, I'm actually going to. go out to He lives in Budapest. I'm. going to go out to Budapest and actually. film uh him doing this to to see if. he's, you know, right about this. He's. actually, I think, one of the. originators of the whole Natron theory, which I haven't dived too deep into, but. it's one of the explanations behind it. melting the stone. So, I started paying. more attention to him once I was in Peru. and he was messaging me saying, you. know, this is what I think is going on. here. is they were using these.

ingredients to uh to melt the stone. Well, to to solidify crushed up stone. and uh create molds. My issue. >> Yeah. My my one one issue. >> to crush up the stones. That seems like. it'd be harder than moving them. >> Maybe using harder rocks like you know. just like smash smash but yeah exactly. You need to I mean how much stone. smashing would you need to do to create. saxan all these areas? >> 80 tons of smash. >> plus plus every single block is. different. You'd be talking about. millions of molds. Like if we're talking. about molds here, then every single.

block is completely different. So you. need an individual mold for each one. So. yeah, compelling idea. Does it answer. it? No. Nothing ever seems to fully. answer it. But it's, you know, compelling that he's trying to actually. find a way to solidify uh the stone and. it seems to be working. Whether it. explains all of it, I I don't know. But. there's certainly a lot of people that. will say that, you know, this is the. definitive explanation behind it. I I. don't think that. But. >> the thing that these compelling amazing. sites have in common is that they are so. spectacular. No one really has a logical.

explanation. That's it's. >> one of the coolest things about the most. ancient of sites is that it it forces. you to go wait even the best people. don't. >> defies probability. Yeah, >> it defies probability. It's truly truly. uh fascinating, man. >> It was a national project. [laughter]. >> So simple. I get it now. >> Yeah, I know, man. And like that's the. thing is like you know this outdated. kind of dismissal of everyone on the. outside of the academic. Yeah. Gatekeeping. You know he wants to say. he's not a gatekeeper. He clearly is.

>> It's not yours buddy. >> Did you know he came through the Ed. Casey Foundation? >> Wonderful. >> He did. Zahawas originated in the Ed. Casey Foundation. So he got funded. And. weirdly enough he was actually quite pro. these ideas until about the mid '9s. So. there's like a 1993 quote from him at a. university in Cairo where he was saying. something along the lines of uh there. are tunnels underneath the Sphinx that. lead down into greater structures and. when we truly understand this we will. understand the real builders of the. pyramids. That was the last time he said.

anything close to that post 1993 about. 1993 and be 96. But after that complete. polar opposite 90 degree change I wonder. what happened to Zahi. [sighs]. >> Who knows? I don't understand why if you. really want that place to get more. money, more tourism, more people. interested in it, right? Like. >> I mean [laughter] just be open to all of. these people that are like yourself and. like Graham Hancock. Why wouldn't you.

not be open to these people and their. ideas? Like they're they're clearly very. well-versed. >> like Ben Van Kirkwick. >> Oh yeah, he's brilliant. >> He's incredible. >> Fantastic guy. >> He's an encyclopedia of information. about Egypt. And why would you not want. that guy exploring publicly and also. reaching millions of people by the way? >> Why wouldn't you want that? >> It doesn't make any sense. >> I think there's like a maybe like a bit. of a cultural arrogance like who do you. think you are westerer coming over here. and teaching us about our history. I. think there's a level of that like you.

know at least on a surface layer before. you get into the deeper implications of. you know Freemason secret societies. keeping things from us. My true fear is. that it's people just have this desire. to be the one in charge of stuff, >> right? And the desire to be right. They. want to be they never want to be proven. wrong. >> And who's this guy? Who's this podcaster. who's coming on and telling me what my. country's heritage is? And you know, I. think. >> but the problem with that is like even. mainstream archaeologists are angry. about it, >> right? >> Like, >> right. Well, everyone gangs together, you know, they all gang together. It's.

group think. >> Well, it's also there's a lot of [ __ ]. in archaeology. A lot of [ __ ] I've. noticed that. >> [ __ ] people. >> I've noticed that. >> they just there's it's such a bad look. for the profession. >> It really is because immature. >> like snarky. >> shitty comments. >> Yeah, I know. >> Like. >> espersions of racism. Shut up. It's it's. it's a really gross field in terms of. like some of the humans around. It came. through the toxicity of the UFO. community, which is like so bad. And uh.

[laughter]. you know, I thought it would be yeah, a. lot of cooks, but also just a lot of bad. actors and hackers and people that want. to um you know, one one thing on the UFO. subject actually, which I I do think is. worth noting uh because like I said to. you, I think I'm one of the first people. that you've had on that had to actually. make their way through the social media. interactions. And one of the things that. a lot of us noticed and I have to give. credit to a couple of people like Red. Panda Koala and Tupac on Twitter, two. very good researchers that have been. highlighting this is that when um the.

whole kind of 2017 narrative and Lzando. and Chris Mel and all these guys started. coming out, obviously we were all. extremely excited about it. Over time, you know, there were some issues like. some contradictions. Lu Alzando. especially has contradicted himself. quite a lot and uh some of us started to. get a little bit suspicious of these. people and just started asking. questions. It didn't take long for us to. be targeted by a pretty significant.

network online of people that were. trying to hack and dox us. And uh people. like he hasn't put his actual name out. there, but people like Red Panda Koala. was doxed online, had his family house. put out online, photos of his underage. sister put out online by a group of. individuals who are all very closely. connected to Lu Lazando. And this is something that you would not. notice outside of being in the minutia. of X because you would see these troll. accounts, these really nasty troll.

accounts that were all being followed by. Lou. And when they were having their. accounts shut down and reinstated, Lou. was one of the first people following. them. Some people have actually come out. about this group now and revealed. screenshots of DMs where they're in. private conversations with people like. Lou and Gary and you know some of these. other guys who I got connected to early. on very early on. And I got some of the. first interviews with these people and. was very pro it until I started. realizing they were very much trying to. control the narrative and there were you.

know things you couldn't speak about. can't talk about uh you know reverse. engineering or or or uh consciousness. initiated contact anything to do with. Greer as completely poisonous. Um. Luzando was actually he he called he. called Greer and a couple of other. people terrorists. He said I wouldn't. negotiate with terrorists when asked. about Steven Greer. Um, but what people. have dubbed this as is the UFO hate. group. This is very well known online, the UFO hate group. And it's a group of. people that are so savagely in favor of. people like Lou and this kind of.

modernized narrative that if you even go. half an inch, like I really gained my. accolades in the UFO community, people, you know, really praising me for the. interviews I was getting until I started. asking a few questions about people like. Lou and suddenly I get an absolute. mastrom of hatred from people that were. once really, you know, enjoying my. content. And I'm quite lucky. I haven't. been targeted so heavily. Some people. have had their lives ruined by these. people who were all connected to. individuals like Lou. And Lou actually.

said that he came to burn you off to the. ground. Like he actually said that in an. article. He was like, "I want to burn. you. I want to destroy it.". >> When did he say that? >> Oh, it was like in like a few years. back. Now you can get. >> Why did he say it? What was the context? >> Um I think it was just about the way in. which the UFO community has, you know, been misrepresenting the phenomena and. like the confusing spaghetti junction of. narratives. Isn't he just kind of I want. to know a hard reset. >> Doesn't that kind of actually make sense. to say? >> Does he Does he know things? >> Well, you don't think he knows things? >> What does he know? >> I don't know. >> Exactly. Right. They all know something,

but none of them can tell us. And they. all knew it from someone else and. someone else told them and they knew it. and they know this and like, dude, I was. so in love with all of this. I You have. to understand that I was truly I was a. believer. I was like, "This is amazing. I had my orb experiences so I had a bias. already. I was like, I'm ready to. believe in whatever you're saying." It. took me a while to start actually. realizing that this is not going in the. direction I think it should be going and. that there's a heavily curated narrative. and if you try and question the. narrative, you will be punished by group. think. It felt like honestly I started.

to feel like I was in a COVID cult for. ufology where you just can't talk about. Lu Alzando in a bad light regardless of. the fact that this man has gone on stage. and presented literal fake UFO photos to. the public which have been debunked in. less than 24 hours and he had to admit. that they were fake because of the. debunks, but people are just happy to. forget these things happened. like he. went up in a congressional setting and. held up a UFO photo that was proven to. just be uh fields like agricultural.

fields. Yes, this is a fake. This that's. not a shadow. That's a darker field next. to the lighter field. These are two. circles. And this was proven. He had to. admit it. He had to This is in a. congressional setting. This man. apparently ran the Advanced Aerospace. Threat Identification Program. I call. [ __ ] I don't believe he did because. he seems like more of a government. stoogge and he feels like someone that. would be sent out to do what he admits. he was doing. Counter intelligence. He's. a counter intelligence, counterterrorism, counter espionage guy.

I'm not a UFO guy. I'm a. counterterrorism counter espionage guy. >> He's also one of the guys calling for. amnesty, right? >> Oh, how surprising. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Color me shocked. Yeah. No, he is like, you know, color me shocked. >> Does he say that in the Because a lot of. them do say it. I want to make sure that. he actually said that in the age of. disclosure. >> I'll be perfectly honest with you, Joe. I haven't even [ __ ] watched it cuz. I'm just not interested in that element. of the UFO subject anymore. I've been. burned by these guys. I've had Gary. Nolan emailing me like, "Why aren't you. on the team anymore? Why don't you like. be a team player?" It's like, "Because. you're literally telling me that I can't. tell my own [ __ ] truth. You're.

censoring me and saying that I'm not. being a team player just because I have. >> censoring you about what in particular?". >> Well, I was. >> or attempting to get you to stop talking. about. >> specifically. primarily there seems to. have been a bit of an issue with the way. that I've been talking about Lou and his. association with ATIP because I think. that ATIP was actually a cutout. It. wasn't a real uh program and it was a. cutout that was actually created. for to the stars academy and ORSAP which. was more of a kind of uh you know. precursor program wasn't being run by uh.

lazando that's the advanced weapon. application space program I forgot the. actual acronym now ATIP is meant to be. lose and I just think that I have to be. careful but a very prominent journalist. in the UFO community literally told me. that Lou told him that that this is this. was all created for to the stars academy. as like a way to, you know, generate a. an understandable structure. Here's this. guy. He's, you know, running ATIP. I. have an issue with the idea that someone.

like Lu Lzando can go to the New York. Times and say that the Secretary of. Defense wasn't being briefed on UFOs and. I'm the one that was running a program. when people like Julian Assange and. Edward Snowden are being thrown to the. wolves for just revealing standard. national security issues. This is meant. to be even deeper, right? this is black. black budget. This guy can just roll out. to the New York Times seems a little bit. planned, seems a little bit curated and. forced. So I started asking those. questions and especially when things. like this were happening where there. were discrepancies where he's bringing.

up images that are being debunked. It. was like who is this guy? You know, who. is this guy really? And then his book. comes out and he's talking about being. the the torture zar in in Guantanamo Bay. and you know that the people there. called him the Darth Vader of the United. States. This is in his book, you know, that he he admitted they called him the. tortazar of Guantanamo Bay because, you. know, he ran Camp Platinum at Guantanamo. Bay, Black Site, CIA Blackite. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. So, you know, um he actually had. in his book that the he was known as the. the Darth Vader of the United States by. certain people and and the torches are.

of Guantanamo Bay. I don't really trust. people like this who, you know, waterboarded people for a living and and. are now trying to tell me what's going. on in the UFO subject. Well, let's let's. ask this question. What what purpose. would there be to muddy the narrative if. you wanted to have a government agent. come out and have what you're claiming. is like a fake disclosure? Like a. government narrated disclosure? What. would be the purpose of that? >> What are they all asking for, Joe?

>> Money. >> Amnesty. >> Amnesty. >> Amnesty. And what was happening before. that is you had someone like Steven. Greer just saying, "These people need to. go to jail." And that was the only big. voice in the UFO community. >> Maybe they're offering a window to. possible disclosure, though. Maybe we. give him this [ __ ] amnesty. If we. don't, what happens? Nothing. It keeps. going the same way it's been going. There's no actual disclosure. We keep. talking about it. It gets nuts. It It's. It gets to the point where it's driving. you crazy. Like, I don't even want to. hear about any [ __ ] UFOs till you.

show me one. But if it's a real subject. and the only thing that's keeping us. from learning this real subject is that. and so they're trying to push out this. narrative of amnesty, I'll bite. What. are we talking about? I think for me. again coming up through it and just. seeing how these people actually act. when you challenge them and the fact. that there were absolutely organized. groups of um quite frankly quite. mentally unstable people that were very. easily misled into believing they're. important. >> who are getting brought into these.

signal chats these private group chats. and you know I'm in I'm in touch with. Lazando, you know, I'm one of those. guys. I'm being brought in and you know. they tried to do that. Yeah. useful. idiot and like there's a lot of them and. you know there's a few people out there. that are extremely dark individuals like. we're talking like you know connected to. all sorts of weird Satanism groups and. Lou's just there of selfies like hanging. out with these guys like he's a dodgy. dude I don't care he's like you know I'm. freaked out even saying this on the Joe. Rogan you know he's like he's going to. remote view my brain or something but at. the same time he is a dodgy guy like.

he's shady. >> but you do believe in the existence of. these things. >> dude I've had orbs hover over my house. like yeah like reversing. >> what do you think is that there is a. clear decision somewhere in our. government to muddy the water and to put. out this narrative that these. whistleblowers are trying to tell. everybody. So to slowly trickle this. stuff out there and then float out. amnesty which is a big part of the age. of disclosure documentary really the. first time I've ever heard anybody like.

where everyone uniformly talks about. that one particular subject. >> Yeah. Like I I think that that's the. that's the the goal is to create a. curated self-disclosure that does the. very best to paint the government in the. best possible light and allows them to. actually kind of not face too much. punishment for what's been going on in. the legacy programs. Again, if you only. had someone like Steven Greer out there, uh he he was offering a completely. different thing. We need to punish these. people like they are criminals. They've. ruined humanity for a hundred years of. stagnating technological progress.

>> You got a little testy. Got a little. testy with that. should have should have. taken a little softer tone. [laughter]. >> Sorry. >> No, I'm saying with him like maybe if he. did that maybe they would have uh. >> Yeah. Right. Not so defensive like [ __ ]. They want to lock us up. >> Yeah. But that's it. That's why. >> as soon as you say you're going to lock. someone up for what they did, they're. going to say I didn't do anything. Yeah. And they're going to keep saying that. >> But that's why they got rid of him. That's why they got rid of him. That's. why Gary Nolan, who was originally with. Greer, then changed over to Two Stars. Academy. And they poached quite a few. people from his team and brought him. over to TTSA. um and he became a pariah.

Um you know, again, he's you know, he. says a lot of things that quite frankly. I don't agree with, but um I I just. think that basically they tried to. overtake the narrative and they needed. government representatives to run this. And I just again. >> it's how they do everything. Why would. we be shocked that they do it about. something this important? Especially if. there is lying to Congress, the. misappropriation of funds, and for sure. some fraud. >> For sure. You're talking about a [ __ ]. ton of money. One thing um one thing that does.

interest me though is the ARV the alien. reproduction vehicle the flux liner. Have you heard of this? Oh, >> you know about Mark McCandish and the. alien reproduction vehicle. Oh well. that's something you should. >> if you type in ARV flux liner you'll get. this image right away. Um this is one of. the avenues that I would actually pay. attention to and think okay I think. something's going on here. Um Mark. McAdish was an aerospace illustrator for. the US Air Force. That's the Yeah. So. the actual. >> Oh, I have seen this.

>> Yeah, of course you have. It's very. classic. And that one that's blue with. the writing all over it. That's what was. held up at the 2001 national press. conference organized by Dr. Steven. Greer. Again, like you know, this isn't. new. Like to be fair to Dr. Greer, he. brought like over 50 witnesses on live. television during the national press. conference and one of them was Mark. McCandish. uh military illustrator who drew this uh. sketch. A friend of mine has a version. of this framed in his house.

>> So do I. [laughter]. >> I need to get one. We need to get one. for the studio. >> You can literally get one on Etsy for. like a hundred bucks. It's like a big. one on Etsy. Um but so this is. important. Mark McCandish. >> Um he actually ended up taking his own. life. >> Go that back to that again. >> What about it? >> I want to read the heading. It says, "According to this documentary, we had. this the technology for faster than. light travel and zero point energy for a. very long time. Let's pretend this is. true. How do we know the UAPs we sent.

aren't ours and more modern build?". >> The person who made this documentary. died of an aggressive form of cancer not. long after making it. He was quite a. young man as well, documentary filmmaker. who made this. But um Mark McCandish, military illustrator, he had a friend. called Brad Sorenson. Now Brad Sorenson. was a government guy, aerospace uh. engineer, Loheed Martin, had quite an. extensive portfolio. And Brad Sorenson. goes to his buddy one day, Mark Mandal,

and he says, "I was shown something and. I want you to draw it. I'm going to. describe it to you in great detail, and. I want you to create the illustration.". Brad Sorenson says that I think it was. in like the the 70s or like early late. 60s or early 70s that he was um invited. to a private air show at Loheed Martin. by an individual who was a good friend. of his in the in the military who was. higher up than him. And apparently this, you know, he didn't have the what they. call the tickets, the the right. classifications to actually get access. to this um private air show, but his. friend brought him um because he had the.

tickets. And essentially they bring him. into a hanger in Loheed Martin where. three large sources of varying size were. hovering a few feet off of the ground. They were described as instantaneous. nuclear payload delivery systems. That's. the way that they were actually. classifying them. had a nickname for a. mant instantaneous nuclear payload. delivery systems. Like the idea that you. could just instantaneously deliver a. nuclear payload to anywhere in the. world. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. Um which is again one of the.

reasons why they might keep this stuff. secret. Um the the ships were nicknamed. mama bear, baby bear, and papa bear. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. Um, what's really interesting. about this is that Brad Sorenson has. never gone public, but I was in the room when he was phoned. and I've heard him say things that have. never been on the record before. Um, no. one's ever contacted Brad Sorenson. Mark. Mckandlish took his own life a number of. years ago. His closest friends would say. that that was not anything untoward.

It's hard to know. I didn't know the. man. All I know is this is the man that. produced an incredibly profound. illustration and then eventually took. his own life. Um but his friend Brad. Sorenson has never gone public ever. Never. I have got quite a few contacts. now because of my research and you know. affiliations that I've managed to gain. with people in like the US Navy and you. know intel and uh a good friend of mine. who was able to actually find his number. and get in touch with Brad Sorenson. I. was present when he was phoned and uh.

you know my friend introduces himself to. him and he'd never spoken to him before. and they were just talking shop first of. all he said that he wanted to reach out. to him because he'd heard about him. through various stories online but you. know anyway to cut the long story short. he asked him my friend asked him about. Mark Mckandlish in this alien. reproduction vehicle and Brad Sorenson. went off on quite a diet tribe actually. uh very angry. about Mark and how he said that I gave.

this man the keys to the kingdom and he. went out and told the whole [ __ ]. world and I will never do that because. my employers. will fry me. He said they will [ __ ]. fry me if I speak out about this but I. am capable of building and designing an. aircraft that can go 210 times the speed. of light. Yeah, he reiterated that multiple times. >> What?

>> Yeah, I um. >> What year was this? >> I've sat on this for a couple of years. It's about two years ago that my friend. phoned him. >> Um. Yeah. I was I. >> instantaneous nuclear payload delivery. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can imagine. that's how the national security system. would actually look at this. Not as an. exploratory vessel, but let's be honest. What is this? It's a payload delivery. system that's instantaneous. Let's be. honest. That's what they would look at. it as, right? Another reason to keep it. secret pro probably.

>> Um, but that was, you know, I I I would. love to get him on record. I don't know. if you ever will, Brad, if you're. listening to this. I would like to get. you on record. But he uh Yeah, he he. said that he said that he can design a. craft that goes 210 times the speed of. light. And this is the guy that gave. Mark McCandish the illustrations to. create that ARV. So, it's just weird. [laughter]. I mean, >> it's weird, dude. >> This is the real question. What would. civilization be like had this stuff not. been kept secret,

>> right? >> What What if we had access to that kind. of energy, whatever that thing is. operating on? >> Could you imagine if you had access to. that energy and you're watching all. these idiots burn coal? Like, what are. you doing? >> What are you doing? >> But you can't say anything. >> Yeah. >> Have a instantaneous. >> I would delivery system. >> I'd hate to be these people. I'd hate to. be these people. Imagine sitting there. knowing that we have access to these. kind of technology. >> Also like this desire to tell people. something that's really important to. humanity. They can't all be complete. sociopaths. >> Maybe they do like they screen them for.

that reason. You know what I mean? Like. they have to be a certain personality. type. They don't give a [ __ ] about. humanity. >> I think I think honestly I think at. highest levels of these especially these. um military corporations, I think you. just have to become that anyway by force. of nature. >> Yeah. Like we're going to kill 100,000. people today. >> Mhm. Yeah. Exactly. I mean, how. emotionally attached can you possibly be. in that kind of. >> big task oriented. >> position. So, you know, the Yeah, the. ARV is a provocative one for me. And to. be honest, man, I think a lot of this I. mean, it's called the ARV, the alien.

reproduction vehicle. And maybe we have. had alien crashed vehicles, but I'm more. tempted to believe that Nicola Tesla's. work was taken by the US government. John G. Trump, Trump's uncle from MIT, was the one that actually oversaw all of. that. You know that? Yeah. >> Yeah. He actually looked at all that. You know, he found a correspondence. between Nicola Tesla and British and. Russian uh royalty, like the high top. levels of Britain Russian royalty about. them acquiring a super weapon of. incredible power. There's a video, I. actually posted it on X of John G. Trump.

a vintage video of him talking about. coming across these correspondent. letters that he never found the true um. method of the secret weapon or what it. was but there was correspondence between. the king and Russian Zars about. acquiring it from Nicola Tesla. So I. think that they took things from Tesla, his electromagnetism studies, I think. people like T Towns and Brown, um you. know, these original ideas of being able. to use field induction to create. positive lift. This is something that.

was being looked at by humans. You don't. need to invoke flying saucers crashing. from Alpha Century for that. Maybe it. happened, but I would be more on the. line that we've done it ourselves. We've. done it ourselves. The Yeah, some of it. The Cold War happened. Cold War. paranoia, and we've never got rid of it. all the iron walls came up around that. and it's a case of how do we kind of get. rid of all this legacy program uh you. know stoving and stove piping because of. cold war paranoia. It's too late now. because we're in 2025 and you got to try. and tell us that you've got zero point. energy.

>> you know we've been flying around in. [ __ ] Wright brothers planes for 100. years and [ __ ] [laughter] like are you. kidding me? Like it's not going to go. down well. So amnesty, right? >> Amnesty. [laughter]. >> [ __ ] It might be the only way. >> It might be the only way. And if it is. the only way, that's fine. But like I. said, I do have. >> It sucks that they're not going to get. punished for crimes, but so what? At. least we are not being punished by being. withheld. >> Exactly. >> Information being withheld that I think. would change the course of humanity in. probably a fantastic way. >> But I do feel I feel like the world. would have to become a more heavily.

controlled place for these types of. technologies to come out. Do you know. what I mean? Like. >> I was trying to wrap this up on a high. note. [laughter]. >> Digital ID coming up. >> Well, this that's all I'm saying. Like. you know the control structures around. something like free energy would have to. be quite profound because of the things. we were saying about some psycho with a. ZP device. So. >> like look what just happened in Bondai. Beach in Australia. Imagine if you have. access to that. If everybody has access. to that, especially off the internet, you figure out how to design one. It's. not that hard. >> The world will have to become a more. restrictive place for these things to. come out for public. >> benefit. Now people are going to think.

you're a fed. >> for saying that. [laughter]. >> Listen, man. I I really enjoyed this. conversation. It was a lot of fun. It's. been real good. >> and your content is excellent. So, please tell everybody how they can watch. more of your stuff. >> Yeah, I I'm I've got a terrible business. acumen. So, I just have two channels, uh, Project Unity on YouTube and the. Project Unity on X. And if you want to. follow me and subscribe, >> I think that's a good model. It's. quality stuff and it's building a. following just literally based on being. good. >> for real. >> So, thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Thank you so much, dude.

>> All right, we'll do it again. >> Yes. Goodbye, everybody. Bye-bye. >> [music].