Joe Rogan Experience #2426 - Cameron Hanes & Adam Greentree

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Hey, we're live. >> Gentlemen, what's happening? >> What is going on? >> See you. Good to see you guys again. >> Bow hunting brothers. >> Yeah, we're just talking about the. mountain line that we have in the lobby. and how insane that thing is. So, Adam, you shot that mountain line when? >> I think it was about six or seven years. ago now. And you ate it and I ate some.

of it. You sent some to me. It's really. good. Believe it or not, ladies and. gentlemen, >> you wouldn't think so, but it's. incredible. >> Everybody says it's like they the way. they describe as like a I think Reinella. said this, a superior pork. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like I I think of it as. a cross between venison and chicken. And. then and I only did it quick on the. barbecue and I'm not a great cook, but. it was that tender and that tasty. >> But the the story behind the mountain. lion's nuts. Like that was a like a. murderous mountain lion. It it was I. felt a bit funny about it to start with.

because like the dogs do all the. hunting, right? The dogs smell it, dogs. find it, they put it up in a tree, but. the further I looked into it, I'm like, well, you need to treat it cuz you want. to sex it and you want to age it. You. know, you want to make sure it's a lion. that's, you know, old and it has to be a. male to shoot it in Colorado. At least. at the time you had to anyway. So, it. was actually the perfect way to hunt. But then seeing how destructive that. individual lion was at least um I was. telling Cam about this when we got here.

that it must have grabbed the cow like a. beef cow. It must have grabbed it on the. neck. Um and the cow couldn't move, you. know, but it was still fully alive. internally and vocally it was still. alive. And when we got there, the. mountain lion was like eating it from. its rear end in and it had been there. for at least an hour or two because. there was quite a lot of meat that had. been eaten out from the cow's ass. >> And um. >> kicking its hooves. >> Yeah. And it just but the cow couldn't. get up. So it was it was literally.

eating it while it was still alive. And. as the dogs were running down there, you. could hear this cow off in the distance. just like screaming like mooing flat. out. >> And you could tell something was wrong. The dogs got there, the line ran off. Um, we end up calling the rancher in. The rancher come out, put the cow out of. its misery, still screaming on the. ground right in front of me. I was, hey, I was teared up. Like, you know, like I. don't like suffering like the next. person. >> Um, so it was a very horrible moment. So. then it was like now I'm into it. Like.

now I'm into finding this line. >> But it's it's like a werewolf's loose in. your town, >> you know, having a that How much did. that cat weigh? By the way, >> I. >> By the way, >> I held it up for size and um I could. hold it for maybe 30 seconds and I. literally couldn't hold it up anymore. And I was trying to show the size of, you know, how big that line was. >> It looks like it's at least 150. >> pounds, right? >> It's giant. So, it's like 170. >> 170. That's what you think it would be. on the on the paw, I guess, as it were.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Live. >> Yeah. That's a big animal. >> We were standing out in front of it like. going, "Imagine if this thing jumped on. you. It's a living monster. >> It is a monster. It's a real monster. >> And he's like, "Oh, they have they kill. their animal, their prey first." No, they don't. Just make sure it doesn't. move anymore. >> Yeah. Just whatever's good for just. start eating it. >> Whatever's good for eating, it's on. >> They [laughter] like We're the only. thing that has compassion in the wild, you know, like the putting out of the. misery like the rancher did. You know, that's one thing about hunters,

ranchers. We do appreciate life and. death. And there is a time where, hey, let's put out of its misery. But it's uh. yeah it's man is the only one who thinks. about that. An animal they'll just start. eating. They could care less about they. don't even know about pain really or no. >> being merciful or anything like that. It's just what we do. >> Yeah. I always say like the lion in. Africa like it stripes a zebra across. the back end and the zebra gets away and. it's just got like blood pouring out of. it and it's got this horrible wound that.

it's going to have to live with. that. lion has not lost any sleep over that. ever in its life. It's just [laughter]. it's not even a thought, you know? >> It's just fascinating that all these. different creatures exist with us cuz. we're so insulated for the most part. Like most people are so insulated living. in cities, traveling on buses and planes. and cars and never never seeing a thing. like this in real life. and you realize. like at the same time while you're going. to Starbucks and you know you're you're.

picking out the new iPhone there's a. lion running full speed at a herd of. zebras right now. >> Yeah. >> Like right now in the world there's a. lion full speed at the zebra and it's. going to tackle it. It's going to grab. it by its face. >> and all these animals exist to keep each. other in check. That's the real beauty. of nature and and you really see it when. we saw that. We were out yesterday, Cam. and I were we're hunting for pigs and we. saw a feral cat make a pounce on a.

mouse. Like we were in the perfect it. was one of the coolest things cuz even. though like it's a kitty cat like a. little tiny kitty cat little it was. fluffy too. It was kind of cute. >> We watched a predator in the rare moment. when you see him executing a kill. I. mean, it was only a feral cat, but it. was still we saw we saw his little butt. wiggle. We saw that thing that they do. where they get then up in the air. We're. like, that is cool. It was so wild. And. that that's going on.

>> multiple places throughout on our. planet, right? You know, right now, as. you said, >> everywhere. >> Yeah. It's like if you could have like. zoom in on a little camera, all these. little. >> interactions of predator prey or. >> I mean that's happening. Well, if you. could see it all at once, like if there. was a camera on every single predator. prey encounter simultaneously in the. world and it was broadcast on a screen. that was like 700 ft high, you would. think, "Oh my god, we're at war. [laughter]. >> There's a war in the natural world. It's. a constant war planet, right?

>> Just cats alone, have you ever seen the. numbers of what feral cats alone, just. house cats kill? It's literally in the. billions in North America. >> Billions every year. non-stop kill. >> But imagine how many rats there would be. if the cats weren't out there. >> Like it's all there's a balance to it. all. Oh my god, these cats are killing. everything, right? Imagine how many. [ __ ] mice would be out there if there. weren't cats. >> Yeah, it's true. >> It's all balance. >> Yeah, that uh to to Adam's point about.

his lion in Colorado, it's so managed. um that that that animal actually. probably could have been killed off uh. like because it was killing livestock, you know, but. >> when you kill an an a lion in Colorado, it's very detailed, very documented and. tracked. It's like you can only take. like in the unit I was hunting lion, I. didn't kill one, but you could only kill. 35 in the year. And every time a lion. comes in, they they catalog it, check. it, um get it, you know, all the.

information in there, and then that's. one of the 35. Once you reach 35 quota, you're done. >> You're done. >> Now, let's put this in perspective. because if that doesn't happen, and by. the way, all that money goes back to the. state, goes to game wardens, it helps. everybody, helps conservation. >> If you don't have that, you know what. you have? You have what's going on in. Japan. >> where Japan is having massive brown bear. attacks. So, just last year they had a. kill. I think it was 1,000. It's at. least 1,000. I think it was more than.

1,000 bears last year, right? And this. year is projected to be even higher than. last year. So, the bears at the [ __ ]. military has to go in and they're having. a war on giant brown bears. >> that are killing I don't know how many. people already this year. >> A [ __ ] ton. A [ __ ] [clears throat] ton. >> Jamie, put that into Perplexity, our. sponsor. How many people have been. killed in Japan by grizzly bears? Or. well, they're not grizzly bears, but. they're essentially brown. They're brown. bear. [snorts]. >> Record surge of brown bear attacks in.

2025 with at least 13 fatalities and. over 200 injuries. Holy [ __ ] Making it. the deadliest year for bear attacks in. recent history. Majority of fatal. attacks have occurred in Hodok Hokkaido. Hokkaido where brown bears are more. prevalent and the number of attacks has. prompted emergency responses including. the deployment of military personnel in. some regions. Dude, I've been hearing. people in Montana and people in Wyoming. that have been saying we're seeing more.

brown bears than ever before. Guys are. going on elk hunts and getting freaked. out and like they have to delist these. [ __ ] things. Like they're totally. fearless. They have they've never been. hunted, so they have no fear of humans. >> How many guys have you heard where the. gun goes off and the bear shows up after. the gun goes off cuz it knows that the. elk is down or the moose is down? >> Like a dinner bell. >> Like a dinner bell. >> I flew into Hik Kaido. Japan had a. period where they would let foreigners. hunt and it had to be with a bow and I.

was chasing seek seeker stags over there. and I had no idea they had a brown bear. at all. And uh I was going through this. big reedy area like you know the reads. are up above your head and there was. just a game trail going in there like. that the deer had been using. And as I. was going through there I could see that. it would it was starting to open up a. little bit more like a flattened out. section maybe like a where the deer had. been bedded. And I got in there and. there was a seeker deer just like the. rib cage all chewed out and it was just.

a big muddy clearing where this brown. bear had got in there and just like. rolled around with this carcass. But the. prints in the mud were like that. I had. no like I had no idea there was even. bears there. So. >> wait a minute. What year is this? >> It have to be 10 or 11 years ago now. >> But Google was still around, right? >> Yeah. >> You didn't check. You didn't go, "Hey, what's in the area?". >> He started messaging the outfitter and. being like, "Dude, there's bears here.

>> Look at that bear.". >> Yeah. And then he he started telling me. that it's some of the biggest brown. bears there is. >> Bro, that bear [ __ ] up that ghost. >> That's a big That's a big bear. >> Yeah. >> But the police force, cuz I believe. there was an unarmed police force at the. time, they had an issue with a bear. where it had killed two hunters there. and he had to go in and shoot this bear. He had photos on a tractor. And I don't. do the gruesome photos, but he's just. flicking through his phone. And the next. photo is a guy with his face missing.

from this brown bear attack. And another. photo, the bear when they when he went. in to shoot the bear, the bear was in a. stream holding the guy down in the water. eating him in the water. >> Oh, >> and it like so yeah, pretty gruesome. So. it's pretty full on. Up until that. point, I'd never even knew there was a. brown bear in Japan. >> Mhm. >> Bro, before you go someplace with a bow, >> that makes sense. >> Do a cursory internet search. >> Like, come on. >> You guys have the internet. Shut the.

[ __ ] up. You [laughter] were telling me. some of the Starling things going by. >> They're way They're way behind in. Australia. >> Talk about that one. >> They just got the internet. >> This guy is a traveling bow hunter and. he doesn't check to see if there's. enormous monsters swimming in the same. neighbor of the unknown. Oh. Oh, that's. cute. [laughter] That's cute. Look, there's plenty of unknown out there. You. know, you don't need to add to it. [laughter]. >> There's a It's all disappearing. All. unknown's disappearing because of the. internet. >> A little bit. >> Another layer to that Japan story is.

>> the reason why they have to deploy the. military is because all the hunters are. aging out. So, there was hunters there, but. >> because hunting is kind of like this. dying thing for this next generation. There's not enough hunters. So, they. have to get the military involved. Otherwise, it would be hunters like you. know you going over there and they've. talked about like I mean I know there's. Americans who would volunteer to do it. but that's another part of it is um this. next generation just isn't hunting. >> I have another question Jamie put this. into perplexity please. Um how many.

mountain lions were killed with. depradation tags in 2024 in California? Because what I had read on a forum so it. has to be correct. >> because those guys are all experts. >> Oh yeah. I had read that an equal number. of mountain lions had been killed with. depradation tags by like experts with. dogs like to bring them in. Then if they. had given tags out. >> so if they had given tags out and let. people mountain line hunt you would have. the exact same amount of mountain lines.

that they had to kill and instead of. that you would have revenue. >> money instead of the opposite right. instead of paying. >> and the collection of the meat. obviously. >> All right. California has not yet. published a full 2025 total, but the. best available data as of July 2025. shows at least 167 mountain lines. reported taken under depradation permits. in 2020 and 166 in 2022 with annual. totals of over 100 in recent years. So. every year they have to kill kill at. least 100 mountain lions.

>> Yeah, >> probably quite a bit more. It looks like. 67 more. 66 more. >> And I would say it's only went up since. then. >> Yeah. Well, the thing is like they're. doing nothing to curb the population. And this is the thing is like people go, "Oh, >> it's okay. Let nature do its thing." No, it doesn't do its thing. It kills your. dog. Okay. One of the things they found. out in San Francisco in the Bay Area was. when they do shoot these mountain lines, they've done an analysis of their diet. It's 50% dogs and cats. >> Wow. >> 50% of their diet is eating people's.

pets. So, they're hunting people's pets. That means you are, if you're a dog. lover, you're allowing a monster to eat. your dog because you think that's the. right thing to do and to be kind with. nature. No, you have to hunt them. You have to. get them the [ __ ] away from you and keep. a healthy population of them. And if you. don't do that, it comes back to bite you. in the dick. Here's here's one other. search, Jamie. Can you see how many. mountain lines were taken in Oregon. legally? Because that would be like.

Oregon's of course just right north of. California. Let's compare the legal. >> harvest in or in an estate that hunt. We. can't use dogs, but you can kill them. when you see them. You can buy a tag in. the season. >> Well, that's then it's very difficult to. kill them, right? If you can't use dogs. >> the season to do that, they have to have. the season open all year and they just. hope enough are getting killed. But then. they still have to kill deprivate. depradation. And is that a situation. where you you buy like a mountain line. tag, like just an extra tag, and you. just have it just in case you run into.

one. >> So if you're out in the wilderness and. you're hunting elk, but you have a. mountain line tag. >> Yeah, that's it. So we we were hoping, you know, if you see one, basically I. have a bear tag, lion tag, uh deer and. elk. >> It says Oregon kills far more cougars. each year than California, but those. Oregon numbers can come mainly from. sport hunting and agency control, not. from depradation tags. Oh, wait a. minute. agency controls what we're. looking at, not depradation. Um, so what. is the numbers here? 160. >> Reward the question. >> Yeah, let's reward the question and ask.

how many were killed in California from. agency control. >> Mhm. >> Put that in there. How many mountain. lions were killed in California. through agency control? Because we were just looking at. depradation tags, which is like what a. hunter or excuse me, a farmer gets. >> So it says in Oregon that we could kill. 970, but that they never kill that many. >> Okay. They did not publish a Queen.

statewide tally labeled specifically as. agency control mountain line kills. Uh. and current official tables group most. lethal removals under depradation. permits rather than separate agency. control category. As a result, there's. no single publicly available number that. states how many mountain lions were. killed through agency control alone. >> Let's just put this in. How many. mountain lions were killed in California. in 2024? Just period. Let's just ask. that question.

>> Yeah. >> I don't even know where we get this. data. >> I don't know. It'd have to be fishing game. 20. >> That doesn't make any sense. Oh, so. they're saying these fig this figure. does not include deaths from vehicles, but that's not true because they just. said earlier that it wasund.

480 depradation incidents. >> and 222 depradation permits. Out of. those permits, 52 authorized lethal take. and 20 mountain lines were actually. reported as lethally taken on. depradation permits. That's weird. This. is totally different numbers that it was. given us before. >> So now it's only saying it was 52. authorized lethal ones. >> Yeah. >> Huh. >> I don't know. >> The holidays are in full swing and so. are the Grinches out there trying to. steal your data and personal.

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link in the description. >> I think. >> it says Oh. Oh, say okay. It says of the. permits, 52 were authorized to kill. them. So it says lethal take. So it's. authorized to kill them and 20 were. actually reported as lethally killed. >> So they're saying it's only 20. That. seems. >> so. But that is that's for like a ranch. owner to do the killing. >> Okay. >> So they they say, "Hey, this lion's been. killing my calves 480 times." And 222 of. those they said, "Okay, go ahead and.

kill the lion.". >> Okay. Right. So this is permits that. were released rather than the agency. doing the depreation work, >> right? So you you would add this total. to the other number we have, >> right? Because the depradation thing. too, you got to think it's ranchers, right? So these guys are all out in the. middle of nowhere. A lot of the. depradations though that they might be. listing is what we were talking about. with San Francisco where they found that. they're eating people's cats and dogs. So maybe they get depradations. It's not. like but you you can't give it out to. the [ __ ] homeowner. Yeah. That would.

>> So you only give those tags out to. ranchers, it seems like. Okay. >> To people who have livestock that's. >> And the rest of the depradation is. probably done by some sort of a. government guy. >> Yeah. They would call it they would call. it something other than depradation. >> Do you think he uses dogs? How do you. think they get them? >> Yeah. Or snare. Like in Oregon, um Wayne. has done this where people they're. losing their goats, their calves, something like sheep, something like. that. And then they'll let you snare it. So you can go in there, you take. pictures of the animals that are killed.

And another um. >> snaring it is brutal. >> Yeah. >> Or trap. >> Trap. It's a It's a foothold. Yeah. >> In Texas, they treat them like coyotes. >> Yeah. >> You just whack them. >> Yeah. Well, >> I think that's the way to go because I. think they're so hard to see. They're so. hard to find. >> Different politics. >> I've I've seen maybe two in all the. hunting that I've done just naturally in. the wild. Mhm. >> And you would have seen more, but it's. not a big number. They're out there, but. they're just so sneaky, right?

>> Oh, they're so [ __ ] sneaky. We saw I. told you the story. We saw the one in. Utah with. >> Colton. Yeah. Huge one. >> Like that one. He was like as big as. yours. It was [ __ ] terrifying. Inside. of a car 30 yards away and I'm [ __ ] in. my pants. [laughter]. >> I'm not even. >> Yeah. >> And we're armed, >> you know, and we have bows. We have, [laughter] you know, >> so the the difference between Oregon and. California and Texas, you know, Texas. being able to shoot them like coyotes is. that's politics, you know. Yeah. Of. course, West Coast is liberal. >> Well, Utah changed it though. Utah has.

it now like coyotes. >> Perfect. Yeah, that's how it should. >> I think there has to be like management. behind it. >> I don't even know if you have to have a. tag in Utah anymore. >> Let's find out. Um, put that search in. Do you need a tag to get uh to hunt. mountain line in Utah? Maybe they just. give out over-the-counter tags to. anybody who wants them and they're still. collecting revenue, which is ideal. That's the best way to do it. >> And if the numbers are great enough, then Yeah. >> But Texas doesn't even do that. They go, "No, we don't want to get involved. Just. you go ahead and shoot them." And it's a.

[ __ ] monster in your backyard. >> Yeah. >> This is coming from someone who loves. them. >> Yeah, >> I love them. I love mountain lines. I. think they're amazing. >> Okay. Yes, you must have a valid Utah. hunting or combination hunting fishing. license to hunt mountain lines, but you. do not need a separate cougar tag. Okay, so it is like a coyote. >> Yeah. So, it's year round harvest for. licensed hunters, and you just have to. get it checked in after you kill, right? Within 48 hours, >> which is also smart because they want to. know what it's been eating. That's how. you do it. That's what that's how you do. it. Utah, way to go.

>> Good job. >> That's the right way to do it. And of. course, you should have a hunting. license. I think you have to have one in. Texas as well to hunt anything. this uh. talking about this this actually. >> that's not true right. >> what. >> now I'm thinking that no I think in. Texas you don't even need a hunting. license to hunt exotics. >> no not if they're on a private. >> right I think you could just go hunt. them. >> right okay. >> um talking about politics in different. areas it reminds me of in BC they. outlawed grizzly hunting and just um. just recently maybe last week you know a.

grizzly attacked a school group that you. see Yeah, >> that that's another thing. So where in. the cities who control a lot of the. voting. >> power of the that's a province but. states here is that the cities determine. it and people living in the cities don't. know what the [ __ ] going on in the. wilderness. So they vote, oh I I love. lions. I love grizzly bear. I love. wolves. We need to have more of them. >> Meanwhile, the people out in the. mountains are actually dealing with this. [ __ ] And so Vancouver, you know, if.

we're talking BC specifically, Vancouver. pretty much makes the decisions for for. British Columbia. They said no more. grizzly hunting and now it's just, you. know, grizzly bear out of control. >> Did you ever meet my friend Mike. Hawkridge? >> Yeah, we went to dinner at uh after a. fight once. >> That's right. At one of the steakouses. in Vegas, right, Mike's great. And he. and Ben O'Brien took me on a moose hunt. once. >> and he was telling me that this was. before the grizzly bear ban. Mhm. >> He was like, "There's so many of them.". And he had to shoot one from 6 ft away.

One was breaking into a cabin and he had. to shoot it from 6 ft away. >> Mhm. >> Dude, like they're terrifying up there. >> Yeah. >> They have so many of them and they have. wolves everywhere. We stumbled on a wolf. kill. We got there, you know, it was. probably a day old. I don't know. But it. was nothing but hair. That was the thing. that shocked me. It was it used to be a. moose calf. >> Okay. And it was there was nothing but. hair. That was what was weird. >> It's like I didn't anticipate seeing so.

much hair. >> Like the moose hair was everywhere just. everywhere. I thought it'd be like a. dead animal, but it was just basically. bones and there was like a tiny bit bit. of meat on, you know, corners of the. bones. >> and hair. >> everywhere. It was just like they're. like like. just tearing into [laughter] this moose. cap and coughing up hair. >> Yeah. >> I didn't see one when I was up there. Although I think we did see one in the. distance when we were at John and Jen's. place. We saw one. We thought it was a.

bear or we thought it was a wolf run. across the road. I was either with you. or I was with Ben. >> Yeah. >> I don't remember who it was, but I've. never seen a wolf in the wild. Like a. real like absolute like look at him. Holy [ __ ] It's a wolf. >> Yeah. >> They look at you in a certain way. E. one of the first trips I ever did to. Canada was up in Northwest Territories. >> and I actually thought it was caribou. coming down the river. like just the. color of the wolves similar to a. caribou. And then I worked out they were. wolves and the guy that I was with, he's. like, "It's a pack of wolves." And I'm.

like, "Can I call them in?". >> Oh god. Adam Green Tree. What's wrong. with you? >> He's like, "Yeah." And then I got up. against a tree and I just started doing. like a call that I do for like a fox or. a wild dog back in Australia and this. whole pack come in. >> like a wounded rabbit. >> You'd never seen them come in. They were. like up in our vision up there. Yeah. Like a rabbit called Distressed Rabbit. And the next minute they was just like. they they were fully surrounding us and. just come in. Yeah, it was it was. freaking cool. But I just remember. >> they could fully see me at that point. and they were still just like looking.

through me. And I was like, "Yeah, that's sick.". >> Well, you ever hear Dudley's story when. Dudley Dudley um and some guy that he. was with in BC, I think it was BC, I'm. pretty sure. Um or no, it was Alberta. They killed a I think it was a I think. it was an elk. But when they killed it, they killed it essentially on top of. where the wolves den like right there. >> And Wolves started circling around them. and the guide had like one round in his.

rifle. >> And Dudley had like two arrows or three. arrows left and they're surrounded by. wolves. And Dudley shot two of them with. a bow and arrow and the the the guide. shot one with a rifle. They shot three. wolves. Three wolves. He He said there. was like they were surrounding him. >> He said it was the freakiest [ __ ]. thing he's ever experienced. >> Yeah. It wouldn't have been a great. feeling. >> He told the story on the podcast and it. was just. >> like [ __ ] that man. You only have two. bullets you [ __ ] [ __ ] Like what.

is wrong with you? >> Two bullets and one life. >> What do you what the [ __ ] are you doing. man? You know there's out there. >> Killed a bull in uh New Mexico one year. and I killed it late in the afternoon. So [clears throat] we did a pack out. This is just going back to the mountain. line story. We took we did a pack out. with meat, went back in in the dark with. head torches. And as we're walking in, I. seen a couple of eyes or whatever and it. was just like deer, mu deer or something. like that. And then I'm like, "Oh, there's another deer up in front of us.".

And as we got closer, the the eyes were. too high. And it's just like, "No, that's not a deer." And it was a. mountain lion up in the tree. Like it. was right up in the tree. There was the. [sighs] kill there. That lion stayed in. the tree while we grabbed more meat and. packed it out. >> You grabbed his meat? >> Yeah, >> the mountain lion's meat. >> Well, it was his kill. >> It was my kill and I was going back in. for it and just thinking it was a set of. deer eyes and as we're walking up the. eyes were like up in the tree.

>> and um. >> that's like so I've only seen two. That's one of them. And it was in the. dark and I swear if it was daylight I. would have seen one in my whole entire. hunting career. Did you see Cam's. brother's story on on Instagram? >> Oh my god. Cam's brother was running. late at night in California at night in. California. And should we play it? >> Yeah. >> Did we ever play it on the show? >> I think we might have. We might have. >> Did you? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I know you mentioned it. >> [ __ ] terrifying. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter].

>> It's terrifying. >> I've never seen that in Australia, by. the way. >> What's your brother's name again? >> Taylor. >> Taylor. It's like T- Spike on Yeah. Taylor. So, it's uh my it's my stepdad. and mom had two kids, Taylor and Megan. >> Oh, okay. >> So, those are my brothers or brother and. sister. And then. >> he does ultras, too, right? >> Yeah, he's he's actually really good. Really good. >> He seemed like one of them dudes who had. to get it in. He's. >> He had to get it in at night. >> Definitely a stud. He uh he did a 300. mile race just last year. He got.

competing trying to win the thing, of. course, but got second. >> Wow. >> The Arizona Monster 300. Oh my god. >> So. >> it hurts my hips and my joints. Just. >> that's the level he's at. >> 300 miles or 300 km? >> Miles. >> That makes it so much worse. [laughter]. >> You thinking about kilometers? I thought. you're an American now. Didn't we. convert you? >> We were trying to teach you inches the. other night. >> Under my lip for some reason. It's an. [laughter] American thing. >> You guys don't have pouches. It's. probably illegal over there.

>> Probably. >> Probably. They'll take it away. >> Governments can [laughter] control it. >> Yeah. How's that working out? You can. you can do that, but you have to wear a. mask. >> Did you find Taylor's uh video? >> It's I think it's on his Instagram. >> Yeah, it is. It's definitely Did I send. it to you at one point in time? Maybe. >> I just found a video of you talking. about it. >> It's Unless he took it down. I don't. think he took it down. What is his. Instagram handle? >> It's T-Spike. Something like that. T. Spike something. >> Yeah, I'll find it. >> T-Spike 300 miles. >> Coming in second place in 300 miles is.

>> insane. Yeah. And meanwhile, how how. much difference was there between him. and number one? >> I think a couple hours probably. >> Oh god. >> That's insane. >> But it took uh. >> Oh god. >> I think he did it in 88 hours. >> That is nuts, man. >> That's a serious effort. >> That is a serious effort. >> There's some There's some freaks out. there for sure. >> I'll do it one day. >> He's one of them. >> Are you gonna do it one day for real? >> Yeah. >> T-Spike 2. >> Couple more visits away as well. Will be. good. >> What? Jamie, >> I don't know where the video is. >> Okay, I'll find it. I'll find it. Yeah,

he's Oh, it's me talking about it. That's [ __ ]. >> Oh, he must have reshared that or. something. >> Yeah, here it is. I found it right away. >> It's just his face. When you see his. face staring at the camera, >> it says line. Oh, you got it. Okay. It. says line update. Yeah, this is it. Give. me some volume. >> After a restless night of this. reoccurring dream of these green eyes. hot on my tail, I uh was coming down the. trail last night just after dark and I. see these green eyes off to the side of. the trail. I mean, right on the side of. the trail. What I thought was a coyote.

I just kind of yelled and then when it. stood up I realized it was a [ __ ]. mountain lion. Uh I took off running as. hard as I could and I looked over my. shoulder and it was right behind me. I. ran for probably 100 yards and realized. it wasn't giving up and I turned around. and I kicked rocks and I jumped up and. down and I screamed at the top of my. lungs and this thing did not care. I did. that a few times to the point that at. one point I almost thought I'm just.

going to lay down here and die because. I'm not going to outrun this [ __ ]. thing. Another time it got really close to me. and I thought I had no choice but to try. to scare it. Uh, and I turned and I. screamed and I kicked rocks. I mean to. the point it was I mean it was right. right there. And I finally decided, well, you just got to run. Run for your. [ __ ] life. Um, I've done some crazy. [ __ ] in my life. I've been pretty. scared, but this this was next level.

This was next level. It terrified me. Um, you know, I think maybe if id had a gun, I could have done something. Uh, pepper. spray. I I don't think that it was so. close that I would have probably pepper-. sprayed myself. So, I don't know. Um, I. was a half mile from the city uh in Lake. Forest, California. I mean, like. straight up I I could hear dogs barking. and at one point I thought maybe that's. what kind of detourred it, but this.

thing didn't care. Um, so this morning. I'm going to ride the bike. Um, probably. won't go back out there in the dark. Um, I did way around for the sheriff's. department and fishing game. Um, because. there was other hikers on the trail that. were above me that would have had to. have come down. And I I just don't know. how other people would have responded. Um, like I said, I've done some scary. [ __ ] Um, I've been in the woods my. whole life, but this this was next. level. It was terrifying. But I'm all.

good. Um, back at it, right? I guess if. this only happens one time in your life, I got it out of the way. I'm a lucky. [ __ ] Have a good day. Keep at it. >> Doesn't work like that. >> Yeah, >> that's wild. >> That is the consequences of letting. monsters live in your neighborhood. Yeah, >> that's real. And all these wilderness. loving people, like. >> I guarantee you, you're not out there as. much as that guy is. I guarantee you're.

not out there as much as you are or you. are. That's the difference between. people that really understand what we're. talking about and people that are. looking at this from this knee-jerk love. and compassion for nature perspective. >> Well, back to what Cam said, it's like. the the majority of the votes are people. that don't get in that environment, you. know, and it's not just about hunting. That's for farmers anywhere as well. There's people in the city that are. making votes for people that live in the. country and the lifestyle is completely. different. >> and they don't understand what they're. talking about. Especially the BC ban. like we're going to ban trophy hunting.

Trophy hunting's bad. No, but what about. monster control? Isn't that good? I'm on. [ __ ] team people. Okay, I love. animals, but I am on team people. >> Imagine if they knew how soft we were. They don't have to spit out hair. Like. [laughter] the flesh is right here. It's. soft. It's so easy to get into cuz they. they usually go in at the stomach, you. know, or the abs. It's like our stomach. How soft are the organs? >> Yeah. It's right right to the good. stuff. >> Yeah. Not good. I knew.

>> even I don't think people like even a. dog can turn into like uh I killed a. buck, you know, before we went on that. last hunt. I killed a buck and like for. the treat for the dog, you cut off the. nuts, give them the nuts. So, it's got. hide on it. It's got the the buck's. nuts. Basically, dog takes off. They're. just like ripping into it. It's like. delicacy, right? That's just a normal. dog. So, [clears throat] a lion who's. born and bred to kill. I mean, that's.

just the level of what animals do. >> Your ri your liver is a ribeye and they. haven't eaten in a week. You're like, "Oh, baby, look at that liver. It's. right there.". >> Yeah. And those. >> the the dogs there that that deer camp, you give them like part of the I don't. know, there's some skin. >> It's not the flank stink, but it's just. some skin there that sometimes you cut. off that goes over the stomach. and uh.

run off, eat that, eat pounds and pounds. of meat. Oh yeah. A regular dog. So a. lion Yeah. They'll eat what they do is. they just eat as much meat as they can. and they just kind of lay around. So. that's the time to actually run from a. lion is after a big meal. You know what. I mean? Cuz their stomachs are full of. meat. Maybe that's why Taylor maybe that. lion that chased him had just killed a. deer and was full of protein. But you. know they still hunt. That's what they. do. It's their instinct. But sometimes. you can time it right and maybe that's. saves your life. >> Yeah. Jeez. Don't that's not a risk we.

should be taking. >> No. [laughter]. >> This is if you can avoid it, it's always. >> This is the thing. It's like. >> they're so hard to find. People don't. understand. You're not going to put a. dent in their population. This is not. like any other It's not like deer. You. can depopulate a deer like an. environment of deer. If you went crazy. and hunted them all and you said, "Let's. eradicate all the deer. every hunter. You could shoot as many deer as you. want. Just let's go do it right now. You. could get rid of all the deer. You ain't. ever doing that with cats. >> Yeah, they're too sneaky.

>> Not [clears throat] now. Not now. >> Even in Australia with buffalo, you can. fly and eliminate a lot of stuff. Pigs. here, >> deer, buffalo down there, uh the water. buffalo, but you're not doing helicopter. killing of lions. >> Yeah. >> No, you can do wolves. They'll they'll. lower wolf populations that way. And. they do. They do in some parts of the. world. >> They do in Alaska, right? >> They do wolf kills from helicopters. >> Yeah. And and Yeah. I mean, lions are. just tough. But.

>> they're so I didn't even realize this, but Oregon, as we were looking at those. numbers that Jamie pulled up, um Oregon, the goal is 970 lions a year, but we. never get to it. >> Right. >> So, what that means is we're not meeting. our objective of lion kills. That means. there's more and more lions every every. year. Don't they factor that into the. amount of tags they give though that. there's going to be a limited amount of. success? So they'll give more tags than. there will be like than they actually. need to kill. >> for lions or for. >> for lions. Do they do that?

>> Oh yeah. I mean I'm not sure how how. they do it. It's supposed to be like a. balance, you know. I mean if if. >> but the what happens is not enough lions. are getting killed. So there's too many. lions. So that means the lions are. killing too many deer. No el the lion. number is too high. >> And that's what's kind of happening. And. there's areas in Oregon that were great. hunting at one time that are terrible. now. >> Well, here's a perfect example. Where I. used to live in California, you guys. been in my house. A lot of land, a lot. of woods, a lot of like there's a lot of. like wildlife out there.

>> Good luck finding a deer. >> Oh yeah. >> You might find two, three in a month. [clears throat] In a month. I see deer. every [ __ ] day out here. I see them. every day. You know why? No mountain. lions and you could shoot them. California has a mountain lion problem. Like it's a real problem. Yeah. >> The place the toone ranch that place. they had a a camera out in front of one. of their ponds and they got 16 different. mountain lions on that camera. >> 16. >> Yeah. And what the people in LA that.

they have no idea what's going but. they're voting, >> right? >> That's who controls. >> They're voting with their hearts. >> and Yeah. They're vote well and they're. and they're good people and I would have. voted with them, right? Okay. If I had. never been hunting, never been in the. woods, I would have voted with them. Maybe not. Maybe not because I'm a. little [ __ ] skeptical of people's. wisdom. And I probably would have looked. into it a little bit and and thought. about what it would be like to get eaten. by a mountain lion and go, "Fuck, what. are you what the [ __ ] are we talking. about?". >> Right? >> Kill these goddamn things. Are you. [ __ ] crazy? Don't kill them all. You.

don't have to kill them all. They're. going to exist in the woods where. they're supposed to be. They're not. supposed to be in Pasadena, okay? They're not supposed to be wandering. around the [ __ ] Hollywood Hills like. that one that I have the big picture of. >> That one's crazy. That lion, that. picture is insane. >> Insane. The Hollywood sign behind him. and he's wearing a collar. That picture. to me embodies like everything that's. wrong with California. >> Like you know where he is and he's in. the neighborhood where people live and. you just put a collar on him so you. could track him when he's [ __ ].

killing dogs. Like what? What are you. saying? >> You know how many Look at that photo. >> Yeah, >> that is a sick photo. >> That is an that's one of the most. amazing photos ever. >> ever taken. When as soon as I saw that. photo, I'm like, "Oh my god, we have to. buy a print.". >> What do you think he's thinking? >> Reported it from the photographer. >> What is he thinking? What am I going to. kill next? And why is this [ __ ] thing. on my neck? >> Is the most tastiest. >> That's That's right above where Huberman. used to live. >> Oh, it's Dude, it's right there. By the. way, that's like We filmed Fear Factor. out there a punch of time.

>> [ __ ]. >> Look at that [ __ ] I know. >> Oh my god. Look at his face. >> Imagine wandering into that. That thing. is so big. >> How sick of a photo is that? Amazing. >> Yeah. >> And it's all camera traps. >> Yeah. So, but here's what's so critical. and you know, hunters, we can be our own. worst enemies, but. >> part of what uh discussions like this. and talking about how it actually works. is so important. It's not for other. hunters. It's for people who don't hunt. who do vote. You know, it's hey, let's.

let's just educate people who don't. understand. It's not it's not your fault. you don't understand. You haven't hunted. your whole life. That's okay. But just. listen to what we're saying and just say. like, "Hey, when that vote comes up and. it's like we're talking about, you know, being able to to hunt lions with dogs or. or black bear with bait, let's think. about, >> hey, there's repercussions if we don't. allow this. You know, >> they don't just don't know what it is. It sounds cruel. Lions with dogs, like, oh, that's not even fair. >> You want to hunt it with a spear? If you. want to hunt it like we used to hunt.

them, hunt it with a spear. >> No, bare hands is what I see. Kill with. your [snorts] bare hands. That's the. dumbest argument. [laughter] That's the. dumbest. How do you think we got to the. point where we don't have fangs? You. [ __ ]. >> do. >> We got there. We evolved past that. because we figured out weapons. Okay. And that's why we didn't have cities. >> Never killed [ __ ] with their hands. At. least they had a [ __ ] wooden spear. So what are you talking about bare. hands? >> It's the dumbest [ __ ] argument of all. time. And it's also people that don't. understand that we would have never had.

civilization if we didn't do this. >> Exactly. Wouldn't exist. The. conversation doesn't come from a want. perspective from me. I've got no desire. to hunt a mountain lion again. I don't. >> But as someone that's in the know. because I have before, you know, and I. wanted to educate myself. Prior to that. hunt, I was doing as much reading as I. could to find out, do I feel good about. this. >> is Yeah. So, it's not like I I want them. still on the list to hunt because I want. to go and do it again. And I don't have. a desire to do that again myself, but I.

do see that it's good management, you. know, and instead of instead of them. being culled and not utilized, you know, and it actually costing money, you know, there's money going into conservation at. that point from the hunter and the meat. utilized, you know, and as you mentioned. in in that case, I gave that meat to a. lot of people because I wanted people to. see it as a food source as well, you. know, as in cuz you do you sort of think. of a mountain line, you're like, uh, the. meat was amazing. some of the most. incredible meat I've ever had.

>> I mean, even even if So, just say they. didn't require you to take the meat and. you didn't and you didn't eat it. Still, they need to be killed. Yes. That's all. there is to it. Just to make the the. deer and elk population just to make it. work like it has to work because humans. >> people will always say, "Well, mother. nature will take care of itself." It's. like, no, humans have encroached on this. habitat. That's why we need to control. this. This isn't like the wide open west. that it once was where, yeah, maybe it'. work out eventually. It's not going to. work out. >> They were here first.

>> They were here first. >> We're part of the system 100%. >> Adam, you know, he said he's killed one. He doesn't plan on killing another. I've. never killed one. I've never killed a. lion in my entire life, but I know it's. important. So, it's not like I'm this. big lion hunter that I just have this. passion for doing and I want to kill as. many as possible. Never even killed one, but I know that we have to kill them. And in Colorado there, that's one thing. You know, you talk about sexing the. animal up on up in the tree because you. can see what it is. Male, female. You. don't When I hunted them, I did hunt.

them. I didn't kill, but you could kill. any lion essentially if it didn't have, you know, it couldn't be a female with. cubs, but uh or kittens, but um you look. at them in the tree and you can decide, oh, that's a female. Probably not the. best to kill. Let's kill an old male. because it's just that's how it just. works better that way, taking old males. out. >> And uh but you can do that. And same. thing with baiting bear. A bear comes. in, a bear is really tough to tell. whether it's a boar or a s. It's male or. female for those that don't know. But at. a bait when you're looking very closely, you can see, oh, that's an old male.

That's the one I want to take. So that's. why that's why there's it's not just. random like I'm rifle hunting is 400. yards away running and you kill like a. bear and it has has cubs. You didn't. realize it had cubs because the cubs are. in a tree somewhere that the S left. So. that's where baiting is actually the. best way to manage these numbers. And it. might seem like, oh, you just throw out. donuts and this and that and the bear. comes in. I mean, yeah, you could term. it like that, or you could say, no, we're targeting the the right animal to.

make this work the best best way it can. >> Well, people need to understand that. wildlife biologists and the numbers that. they put up and the rules that they. apply, especially the rational rules. like that, they exist because it's the. only effective way to hunt these things. Like there, you don't use dogs to hunt. elk, you know what I'm saying? It's like. they because it doesn't seem right. Right. There's there's one effective way. to get these mountain lions and you got. to tree them. >> You know, if you don't if you don't have. that option and you're bow hunting, you. have to stumble upon one and they're not. going to they're going to know you're.

coming forever before you know they're. there. >> forever, hundreds of yards away. They're. going to smell you. They'll hear. something. They'll turn and look at it. They have amazing eyesight. >> You know, like you're you're not finding. them. And if you want to keep the. populations in check, there's like. California's got a bear problem, too. And part of their bear problem is you. you you can't use dogs anymore. And it. was the only way they could really. control populations in a lot of these. places. >> Dogs are ba or baiting. Um, hey Jamie, I. got another project. So Cam Canada, you.

start spell with a K. Uh, he, as we were. talking about, he had a a deer tag. He's. deer hunting this in in Oregon. This is. what you do. You just buy a bear and a. lion tag just to have with you. But uh. he uh killed this giant lion. He was. deer hunting. This lion came up, sat on. this rock 40 yards away and he's just. like, "I got a lion tag. Perfect." Boom. Got put a perfect arrow in this giant. lion. But look at this thing. And he's a. big dude. He's. >> a slob. >> He He played for the Steelers for like.

six years in the NFL. >> Yeah. So that was just like a happen. chance. That's how you get them in. Oregon because you can't use dogs. You. can't do anything else. So that lion. just just jumped up there and he made a. perfect shot on it. >> That's crazy. >> But look at that big thing. >> God. >> Yeah. Pretty nuts. [sighs]. >> And like I said, Cam's like 6'4, I don't. know, 23. >> You see the one Derek Wolf killed? >> Yeah, that was a giant one, too. >> Giant one. So the Derek Wolf story is a.

great one, too, because he took so much. heat online about it. People were so. angry at him that he did that. And it's. just people that don't understand why. it's necessary. Look. And first of all, if you know Derek, Dererick's a [ __ ]. legit Viking. >> He's a legit Viking. That guy's a giant. human being. So for him to be holding Is. there another picture we see like the. full. >> I think it was like. >> that's it. There's the full length. >> 180 lbs or something. >> Look at the size of that [ __ ] thing. >> Yeah. So you and I don't know what the.

numbers are, but you think a lion kills. especially a lion that big has to. basically kill a deer every week, right? So that's 365 deer a year that thing is. killed. Or no, not 52 deer a year. But. [laughter]. >> imagine there's a deer. >> every day. No. But. >> well, do you know the wolf thing? >> Possibly. >> They say lions are killing more deer now. than ever in places where there's wolves. because the wolves scare the lion off. the kill all the time. They steal them. all the time. So the lions just give up. and they go kill another one.

>> They can kill way easier than the deer. can. They're way more effective killers. >> Yeah. So think about so 50 say 50 lion. or 50 deer a year for each lion. How. many lions are in Colorado? >> A lot. >> A lot. >> You know I mean a lot. >> That's a lot of [ __ ] deer or or elk. calves or something's being killed. >> Yeah. >> Australia's got a real bad problem with. shark population now. And it's like and. I'm taking it there because what's. happening is for like a really good. eating fish like a red emperor.

um you'll only get like five red. emperor. That's your t that's your. quotota for the day. You can only catch. five. And what the sharks are doing now. is you'll hook a red emperor and the. sharks will just take it off the line. So you don't have a red emperor in the. boat anymore. But one's dead cuz the. shark's got it. So you keep fishing and. then so now the Red Emperor numbers are. declining because sharks that's like. their favorite fish to jump to grab off. a line. You can catch a cod, you'll get. it to the boat cuz the sharks aren't.

going for it. But if it's a red fish, the sharks are taking it constantly. >> And then so what's happened is because. there's been a ban on shark fishing, shark numbers have gotten out of. control. So now Red Emperor numbers have. plummeted because the sharks are just. eating them constantly. >> How many people in Australia get killed. by sharks every year? There's been a few this year already. Yeah. I actually just had I had my. girlfriend out a couple of oh maybe a. month or two ago and I took her to this. beautiful beach and it was it was. awesome. As soon as we got there, there's dolphins jumping out of the.

water and whatnot. Anyway, we never went. for a swim just cuz of how the. conditions were. And a week later, a. lady was taken [snorts] from that beach. >> and her partner may have died as well. I. didn't follow up on the story, but a. partner got attacked as well, but got. out of the water. Um, and it's great. whites mostly on the the east coast. >> Wow. >> They seem to be running pretty rampant. at the moment. >> Kill them. [laughter]. >> It's the bleeding hearts that are making. the votes.

>> Four confirmed fatal shark attacks in. 2025 so far with some trackers listing. four or five deaths depending on how. many incidents are class or how. incidents are classified. M. >> and but think about how much less people. are out there on the water than are on. the ground. >> Oh yeah, >> that's the thing. It's like people go. there's only four shark attacks a year, right? But how many people are in the. water? >> Yeah. Out of 500 people. >> It's not a lot of people in the water. swimming out there. >> Horrible way to go. >> Oh, good lord. Absolute monster of the.

ocean. >> Yeah. Is isn't it weird to think that uh. I mean most society doesn't know. anything about the wild these days, you. know? I mean. >> Yeah, we're domesticated. >> Yeah. So, it's But even like. I don't know. I I always say that I mean. we talked about this I'm pretty sure. because I talk about it all the time, but like I always think that society. like this regular life here is fake. It's like it's not even not even real. is not even how humans were designed to.

to live and survive where the wild is. actually where that's how that's what. we're designed to do. Live in the. mountains or or hunt and survive things. like that. And so the fake life I don't. know it's just crazy to me to think. about that. >> the fake life is what we think of as the. real life. >> is a real life and it's not it's not. real. It's like. >> what we're doing. >> Yeah. It's just not real life. >> Yeah. We're we're made to live in a. society that's not by mine or your.

design, >> right? >> You know, and it's sort of like and that. that's I always feel out of it in. society because I just feel like it's. not for me. >> But it is it's here and we got to live. in it. I do like going the ways of. worlds and getting a good injection. [laughter]. So, but I just want to go when I want to. go and. >> that's that's the way to do it. Attack. it from the outside. >> Go in go to a nice restaurant and get. back out to the country and just [ __ ]. relax. It's better for people. Do you. ever see that um SP uh the old days of.

Vice when Vice used to do really cool. stuff? They had Vice Guide to Travel and. uh there's this one guy who lives in the. Arctic Circle and this dude is he's been. there since the 1970s. He got a job up. there and got permitted where he's like. grandfathered in to allowed to live in a. small cabin up there. Like the last guy. there. He has like a permit on his door. And this guy has been living up there. ever since he saw 9/11 in a photograph. like a year after it happened. Had no. idea what was going on. Very smart guy,

like intelligent, interesting guy. And. lives up there uh with his wife and all. he does is hunt caribou and fish. And he. talks about it and he's like, "This is. how people are supposed to live." Like. when you he's not like he's a very. intelligent guy. So like when he's. talking about it, he's talking it from. like an internal programming. Like this. is like this feeling that you get living. like this is how people are supposed to. live. And when you live like this, you're very fulfilled and it feels.

normal. Whereas most people don't feel. normal. Most people are depressed. >> They have anxiety. They're worried about. their career. They're worried about all. this stuff that is like human created. They're worried about our our their. social status, whether they're. ostracized from the neighborhood or. people like them anymore because their. political beliefs or whatever the [ __ ]. it is. >> There's none of that out there. There's. none of that because it's what it's the. way we were designed. But if we want all. the things that we enjoy like [ __ ]. Starlink and cell phones, like you have. to have this weird fake world that we've.

created, the human created world, but. it's not conducive to like a healthy. mindset for most people. It's not. normal. And so all the I I I have this. thought about why exercise is so. important for people's mental health. because I think at the very least what. it does is it gives you like the. physical exertion that your body. requires but I think your body requires. a connection as well and that's what.

we're missing. We're missing the natural. world connection. And you can get some. of that out of the physical exercise. You can get some of that out of like. doing, but your body's literally. designed to have to move and to complete. tasks in order to survive. And that task. could be like that guy out there hunting. caribou, building a house, surviving. like making a homestead, growing a. garden. Like this is a normal way we. are. But we're moving into this abnormal.

way. You know, along the way, people are. losing their [ __ ] marbles. Everyone's. crazy. No one knows what a woman is. anymore. Like, everyone like literally. out of their [ __ ] mind. Out of their. mind with a the if the left win, the. democracy will fall. If the right win, we're all going to be Nazis. And it's. just chaos. >> And none of it is normal. None of it is. natural. And the reason why it's so. incompatible with most people is because. we're not designed for it. >> I feel it. I know Cam's the same. But. like it's just like time doing those. things that are usually in a quieter.

environment, in a more natural. environment. Like I mentally feel better. every time. And then I I almost feel. myself slipping when I come back to the. city, you know, and it's just like you. sort of start letting your guard down. You just slip back into it and you're. like, "This is I I'm not enjoying this.". And then you go back out hunting for us. or camping or whatever it is. And then I. do I feel revitalized. I feel mentally. physically I feel. but adding all the other things to it.

like you know exercise and yeah it does. touch on it and I and I think all those. little things help but to really get out. in fresh air is the big one for me where. it's just I do I feel more flow state. >> I wonder if like I'm sure n like. primitive man felt emotions for sure but. do you think they felt depressed? No, I. I think you know what I mean? >> I feel like they're too busy, >> survive, eat. >> I think people I think this is part of.

this fake society is like, are you. happy? Are you happy? It's like happy. What the [ __ ] is happy? I want to be. useful out there. I want to do do. something. >> I'm not happy. Sad. I'm nothing. >> Right. What is happy? Content. I'm. content just being. >> Right. I feel. >> Can you be content just being? >> Yeah. When you're in the in the. mountains carrying your bow, glassing, looking, drinking, eating, looking for a. place to sleep. What is that? That's what I want. I.

don't know what is h I don't know what. it is, but that's like purpose. Like, I. have a purpose. I'm I'm trying to kill. something. >> That is that happy? >> Yeah. You're trying to find food. >> To me, that feels because I don't know. what happy is. I see people, they laugh. and they're [ __ ] around. Sometimes. it's it's uh alcohol induced or drug. induced or it's like is that supposed to. be happy? What is h I don't know. I. don't know what what are we what are we. calling happy? Cuz that's not like a.

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You pretend you're shooting zombies with. VR. That's happy. It's fun. >> It's silly. You get it out of it. Everyone has a smile. You had a good. time. That was wild. That's happy, too. There's a bunch of different kinds of. happy and some of it we've created, but. there's content. Like, are you content? Like, are you enjoying your existence? >> Yeah. >> And I think that's a real struggle for a. lot of people, right? >> Cuz there's a giant percentage of the. people that are listening to this right. now that are forced to do something they. don't enjoy doing most of the time. Most.

of the time, most of their day, they're. doing something they don't enjoy doing. because they have to do it in order to. do the things that they do enjoy. So, if. you want to go on vacation, you got to. make enough money to afford the trip to. Hawaii. If you want to do this, you got. to do that. If you want to do this, you. got to do that. You're like, and so. you're just working in a some stupid. cubicle punching keys just planning all. the fun stuff you're going to do with. the money that you make doing this thing. you hate doing. >> It's pretty nuts. It's pretty nuts. >> I've never I've never felt happy in. that.

>> That's what I'm saying. I. >> happen to do something to get to. somewhere. Sometimes you have to be. unhappy. >> That's true, too. You're the wrong. person to be commenting on this because. you're extreme. You're never going to be. happy cuz you're going to continue to. chase bigger and better. >> Yeah, that's what I said. >> Which is good. That's awesome. >> I don't know. I mean, and I I mentioned this before. I'm happiest when I'm suffering. >> Yeah, that's ridiculous. >> No, but like to doesn't it doesn't it. [laughter] feel like. >> Adam and I we just looked at each other.

He's [ __ ] crazy. >> Because when I'm suffering, it's because. I'm doing something that matters to me, >> right? >> Yeah. you like that and and you know. what's on the other side. That's what. makes. >> Yeah. You've sort of programmed yourself. to be like that too. You know, this is. like similar to Gogggins, right? >> Gogggins always wants people to know. that he wasn't always like this, >> that he used to be fat and lazy and he. shows pictures of himself at 300 lb. He. always talks about it, >> you know? It's like it's like this isn't. I wasn't born like this. Like I turned. myself into this. And I think one of the.

reasons why you've been able to struggle. so much is you figured out a way to. enjoy struggle. >> And a lot of people avoid struggle at. all costs. They want the couch. Oh, I. want to relax. >> It's cold out. I don't want to get in. that [ __ ] cold plunge. Are you crazy? What's wrong with you? >> You know, >> I love struggle because you know what's. on the other side? >> Yeah. >> The growth. So, it's like once you've. done that, and I think that's where a. lot of people struggle. If they quit or. they don't get to the other side, then. you don't know the reward on it.

>> What you just said is perfect. That's. why they struggle cuz they don't. struggle. It's like the thing you're. avoiding is causing you to have the. exact same thing. It's just a you're. getting a slow dose of that poison and. you never get out of it. Whereas, if you. voluntarily struggle, then you get this. beautiful feeling when it's over. But. you're not doing that. So you're just. getting the same amount of struggle in. these weird little slow doses all day. long. >> All so you're never getting like, "Oh my. god, I'm in agony. I can't breathe.".

>> But if you did, then the rest of the day. would be easy. >> Yeah. >> Instead, you're getting, "Oh my god, the. world is closing in on me and I don't. know why I'm so freaked out and I'm. riddled with anxiety all day long for no. [ __ ] reason. I'm having a panic. attack and there's nothing wrong.". That's what's going on. Like you're. you're getting your suffering in like. little doses all day long and it's. driving you [ __ ] crazy. >> And that's why you get on SSRI and. that's why you do this and that's why. you do that and you join a cult and. everyone's just trying to [laughter]. figure out a way to feel better.

>> Everyone's just trying to figure out a. way to feel better. And. >> one of the ways to feel better is. voluntary struggling. >> Yeah. >> You got to volunteer to put yourself in. stressful situations, difficult. situations. Do it on purpose. If you do. that, then the regular world is easier. >> Yeah, it's uh I I think like I'm always. of course biased towards hunting in the. mountains, but I also think that men um. men specifically, you know, where I grew up and in the.

environment I grew up, hunters were. respected. And if you killed a big buck, you're like that meant something in the. small town I was. >> because it's very difficult to do, >> right? And it's like for men, respect is. such an important thing. You know, it's. like we always say like women need love, men need if you have to choose. >> Men, love doesn't mean [snorts] [ __ ]. really, but respect does. And like. hunting was a way to earn respect from. the community. And that's why for men, like when I as hunters, I think that's.

appealing for people who don't hunt. because they see that image and they're. like, >> I'm missing that. because they see that. there's there's respect earned there. And that's what men, >> whether they want to admit it or not, that's a big driving force. Like you, even at work, whatever job you have, you. want to be respected. >> Here's a perfect example. That story you. were telling me about shooting that bull. in the Oregon back country and you it's. terrible place to kill a bull and you.

called up that dude. >> Yeah. >> That guy. >> Cal Holiday, >> which sounds like a fake name. We're. talking about [laughter] that fake. gunslinger. Sounds like such a fake name. It's a. perfect badass name. You call this dude. and ask him to help you. Dude drove. through. You told him, "Okay, I'll he. said I'll see you there at 8:00 a.m.". >> Yeah. >> This guy drives through the night. He. shows up. Like, how many hours did it. take him to get there? He had a hike. >> Four guys. So, he had to round up three. other guys. So, he he brought four of. like him and three guys and they live.

God, how far away? I mean, at least a. couple hours, I think. Um, and so they. had to get together, drive a couple. hours, get up on this old like logging. road essentially into the get to the. access point of the wilderness to the. trail head, pack in miles, right? So, this is like 9 or 10 at night. They said. they'd be there at 8 in the morning. So. that's what it took like to get there. and then miles back to this remote. middle of the wilderness hellhole area.

by 8 am. So yeah, it was it was hours. and hours and hours just to get there. >> And you can't time that. You can't time. that talked about it. But the way you. talked about him, that's what every man. wants. >> Yeah. >> Like that was a [ __ ] man. >> Yes. >> But he earned it, too. You know, that's. And you're talking about, you know, respect so important. But you do have to. earn respect, >> right? Right. in that when so in that. moment so there was me Wayne Tanner my. son James my camera guy Gideon and then.

he brought four guys so we had eight. guys in that moment there's not eight. other men I would rather have or seven. other men besides me that I'd rather. have there because those to do that it's. special that's not not everybody can do. that [ __ ] but those eyes. That was their. purpose. They They could probably never. be quote happier than in that moment, elk meat on our back, miles to get to.

the trail head out. And um. >> hundreds of pounds of meat. >> Yeah. 300 lbs of meat. So we waited at. the at the butcher when I took the to. get processed. 300 lb of boned out meat. That's not not a bone on there. So. >> not including your camp, not including. everything. So on your back, your. >> head. I took the head out. So 300 lb of. meat plus everything else that we had. But eight of us packed it out and it was. a great the greatest day I can remember. probably this season, you know? I mean, it was that me that was.

>> that was real. That's what I say that. that's real. All this other [ __ ] I. don't know what this is, but that was. [ __ ] real. I killed a bull. We have. to get it out to take care of this meat. Here's some badass mountain man who can. help me. Does it get any better? >> No. [laughter] Yeah. I think I've known. you for 13 or 14 years now and you've. always been like that. You've never. changed in that sense. Like those things. are important to you. Those things are. meaningful to you. It's incredible. >> No, it's uh Thank you. But yeah, it's.

it's Yeah, I mean that's all that. [ __ ] matters. >> Yeah, it's most people never experience. that. That's what's wrong. What's wrong. is most people never experience the that. insane challenging experience where your. your character is tested, your will is. tested, your commitment is tested. >> Just think, so the video on this hunt. came out last night and it's called the. bow hunter, but there's a a moment there. after we had called after we'd got the. my bull process. So it was that at that.

time it was just me, Wayne, Tanner, and. James. And we're just sitting there. We. had our tent set up. The the bull the. meat's all hanging up. Middle of the. night, sitting there talking, eating um. we're eating uh peak uh meals. I'm like, >> why were you eating peak meals when you. meat [laughter] there? >> Why didn't you eat that? >> We didn't have a fire. But uh the meat. was processed. It wasn't time to eat or. like to to break down the the bowl, but. that would have been great. Tenderloins. over fire would have been amazing. We.

just didn't do it. But the point is in. that moment there's no other place on. earth, no other time in my life that I. would rather be. >> That that is that was the pinnacle. >> of life for me. >> That's a normal natural experience for. primitive man. >> Yes, >> that's what it is. And it's how we. stayed alive. And the way I describe it. to people, there's a feeling most people. have caught a fish. There's a feeling.

when someone catches a fish, like even a. child, when I took my daughter bass. fishing, she was like six, I think she. caught a bunch of bass and the feeling. that she got when she hooked it like her. eyes light up. It is built in us. It's. inside of us. >> But catching a fish, bow hunting and in. the mountains, killing an animal, cooking it over a fire with your boys. >> is that times a thousand. Yeah. It's. it's a crazy builtin. We did what we. have to do and we're looking forward to.

doing it again. So that that that. intense experience, the difficulty, all. of it. You're sitting there relaxed. You're eating and you have no doubt. You. can't wait to do that again. You're not. like, "Man, I don't want to do this. again. This was nuts." You're like, "Yeah, I'm [ __ ] tired, but that was. awesome.". >> Yeah, >> that was awesome. You take THE PACK OFF. LIKE, >> DUDE, >> you're sitting there by the fire like, "Holy shit." You're drenched in sweat. Your legs are gone. Everybody's around. smiling like we [ __ ] did it. We did. it. I just don't know how.

I mean, you hope the films can show that. and and but. >> gives you a peak. >> to feel it. >> Oh, yeah. >> It's I I would I wish everybody could. feel it just so they'd know. >> Yeah. >> It'll never happen, but it's it's so. power. It's life-changing. >> Do you remember Israel Adosana's speech. after he knocked out Pereira? >> Yes. >> What'd he say? >> He he goes, "I wish." He goes, "People. of the world, I play it. Let's play it. because it's [ __ ] amazing. It's. [ __ ] amazing. So, this is Alex. Pereira. This is a guy that had beaten. him three times.

>> Three times. Yeah. >> Knocked him out in kickboxing, knocked. him out in MMA, and then finally he. knocked him out. >> Yeah. >> And this is like everybody was like. terrified of him taking this rematch. Pereira can't be stopped. Pereira is a. destroyer. He's the scariest guy ever. But he asked me to to give him the. microphone. >> Look at that. of the world. is the last. [cheering].

>> What a human. [cheering]. >> Yeah, I love Style Bender. >> Oh, he's the best. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> He's the best. >> Let me just hold the microphone. >> Yes, sir. >> Hey, shush. Shush. Listen up. I want to. say something. people, Earth, I need to. say something. Listen to me. I hope. every one of you behind your screens or. in this arena can feel this level of.

happiness just one time in your life. I. hope all of you can feel how happy I am. just one time in your life. But guess. what? You will never feel this level of. happiness if you don't go for something. in your own life. When they knock you. down, when they trying on you, when they. talk about you and they trying to put. their foot on your neck, if you stay. down, you will never ever get that. resolve. FORTIFY YOUR MIND AND FEEL THIS.

LEVEL OF HAPPINESS AS YOU RISE ONE TIME. YOUR LIFE. BUT I'M BLESSED to be able to. feel this again and again and again and. again and again. [laughter]. >> Greatest postfight speech of all time. You know what I love too is like even in. that moment like there's a little bit of. blood starting to trickle out of his. nose, you know? I mean cuz he looks he. looks really good. >> for just fighting but it's like there's. little you know the sweat the blood trip. trickling. Oh man, >> he was getting hit, man. He was getting.

hit and his left leg was already. destroyed. Didn't take many of those. >> No, he was talking to me about it. afterwards. He's like that [ __ ]. got me again. I was thinking that before. that he got my [ __ ] leg again. Cuz. that was a part of the problem with the. first fight. >> Yeah. first MMA fight. Um, his left leg. was destroyed. He couldn't move his left. leg. So, even though he's like bobbing, he's like, "I was okay." He goes, "But I. couldn't get out of there." He goes, "I. couldn't move my [ __ ] leg, man." He. goes, "I was getting hit, but I was. still there. I was move like he was. still moving around, but he couldn't go.

away." Like, his leg was destroyed. And. that's what people don't think about. when when you like especially those. goddamn calf kicks. >> Yeah. >> He probably knew after the first one he. was like, "Fuck, he got me again. [laughter]. >> Fuck." He destroys people's legs and. then you're a sitting duck in front of. the scariest puncher in the history of. the division. >> Hands of stone there. >> Oh my god, he's [ __ ] terrifying. And. for him to catch him with that perfect. right hand off the cage like that. >> Oh my god. And then shoot the arrows. into him. [laughter] Greatest postight. celebration. Greatest postight speech of.

all time. Of all time. There's not even. a second place. >> that that really except Rosama Ununas. That one time when she was saying I'm. the best. >> Yeah. [laughter]. >> That was pretty powerful. That was. pretty powerful, too. Another good one. >> Could you find that tent scene at the. end of that video? So, but here's what I. here's what I was uh curious about is um. Oh, he did find it. >> Yeah. Like right here. >> So, the difference between Israel's. happiness and this happiness. >> I'll do anything you want to do.

>> But, you know, you go until you're just. sick of the weight. >> and you get it under the tree in the. shade. >> and you you get all kind of energized. Come back, drink some water, grab. another, and then mentally you're not. coming back to here, >> right? >> I mean, you get it all across the creek. in that flat. >> I mean, it doesn't get any more in the. bottom. [laughter]. [gasps] That was a pack out, but I. wouldn't want it any other way. Wayne, he had a horse packer set up. And then I. I had also talked to Cal Halliday. [music] and when I was in there by. myself on an opening weekend, he said,

"Hey, if you kill a bull in here by. yourself," he goes, "Let me know. Send. me a text or something. I'll have, you. know, [music] four or five guys here. within 5 hours to help pack. So, no, it. wasn't opening weekend. But I'm like, I. told Wayne that and I said, he goes, "Well, who do you want to who do you. want to get a hold of? You want to get a. hold of cow or do you want to get hold. of a horse packer?" And I'm like, "I think I'd rather have cow with some. other badass, you know, [music] mountain. guys and just share this pack out with.

them.". >> Yeah. But. >> so if we go less of a jungle, too. So. these guys right here, >> you don't want any other people. And. Tanner's got so much weight on this. form. How they got up, I don't know what. time, 3:00 in the morning, made it all. the way there. They said they'd be there. at 8:00 a.m. They [music] were down at. my bowl at 8:01. And I don't I mean, this is miles and miles and miles just, you know, just studs. [music]. >> Yeah. >> And so yeah, it's like a I'll never. forget that. I'll never forget the whole.

obviously the whole hunt, but that. morning was a special one. Cal, Eric, uh. Keith, and Ryan. Massive. >> Yeah. So thankful for them. They. >> That bull is massive. >> So it's like here's a but that's a. juxaposition is to me that was my Israel. Adosana moment about I will never be. happier. But look how look how different. those moments are. one's in front of a a. huge crowd, millions of people watching, being, you know, getting all that.

attention from all those people and then. I'm I guarantee just as happy or happier. right there. >> Isn't that crazy? >> It is crazy. >> Yeah. That's your thing and you found. your thing. >> I always talk about that like people. just trying to find your thing. Yeah. >> My thing's outdoors and bowing. >> So, Israel's thing is fighting. So, for. for him, that's the pinnacle. >> for us. Whatever your thing is, get to. the pinnacle, right? That's a lesson. >> Find find happiness in that.

>> Do you think. >> whatever it is, whatever it is for you. >> that you talking about your daughter. catching that fish and it's like this. primal instinct inside of her that just. flares up that fighters have that same. feeling like it's a primal feeling. >> Oh, 100%. Yeah. It's a little more. conflicted, Doug, depending upon how bad. you hurt your opponent. when you hurt. him really bad, it's very it's a very. conflicting moment because you know that. could have been you. [snorts]. >> Some guys don't get that feeling. Some. guys they they're like good [ __ ] him. But a lot of guys it's like woof.

There's some guys that knock a guy out. real bad and then they almost want to. retire afterwards. >> They're just like I don't want to do. that to anybody anymore, you know? Especially guys that have killed guys. >> like Ray Mancini when he killed Duck Coo. Kim. I don't think he was ever the same. again. There's a few guys like that in. history that have had boxing matches. where they killed a guy and then they. were kind of never the same after that. >> Yeah, that's some scary [ __ ]. >> because you realize like this is what. this is what you're doing. Yeah. You. know, this this could lead to that. happening to you and you think about. your kids watching on TV and crying or.

even worse there while you're getting. beat up. I always freak out when guys. bring their kids. I'm like, "Oh man, >> bringing a kid to a fight, you know.". >> Yeah. I've seen guys get knocked out in. front of their kids and it's. particularly devastating. Particularly. devastating, especially when you really. like the guy. [clears throat]. >> Mhm. >> It's rough. It's a It's a rough way to. make a living. But those guys when they. get that belt strapped around them, when. their hands get raised and the whole. audience screams and cheers. It's like, >> oh man, >> that's a special moment. That's a.

special moment that very few people ever. get to experience. >> unless they kill a bull in the. wilderness. >> I don't even know if it's the same. [laughter] They're all They're all It's. It's like a different kind of happiness. I think yours is more sustained. Yours. lasts longer. >> That's what I say. It's like I don't. know. Like Israel said he was happy. Is. that I guess that's what it is. It's. like. >> But you know what the the reality is. after the happiness dies off for a. couple of days, then you start thinking. about your next fight. >> Mhm. >> And you immediately start getting that. anxiety again. >> I think that's a good drive in life. though, right? Cuz you don't just do. that elk hunt and be like, I'm done now,

>> you know? It's like not what's the next. one, you know? And it's like that. constant pursuit. >> And it's also like constantly. recognizing that you're always going to. be at least trying to get better. You're. that's you're always trying to get. better. Anything that is going to give. you like real happiness is going to be. very difficult because you're not really. going to ever be able to master it. Whatever it is, it's like that that's. where it is. The the the real it's it's. in the pursuit of it. And along the way. recognizing that you consistently keep.

getting better, but it's like a there's. a dream that you're chasing that you're. never going to get to. You're never. going to get to [clears throat] bow. hunting perfection. It doesn't exist, right? >> You can get really close. You you've. gotten really really close, but we're. human and it's the wild and there's all. sorts of weird variables that happen. There's branches and sticks and wind and. this and that and it's impossible to be. perfect. >> Yeah. >> And that's part of the magic of it. Yeah. Part of the magic of it is that. when you're in the moment and it's all.

happening, it's all so open-ended. Like. any result can take place. You you. really do not know how this is all going. to go down. You haven't seen it all play. out and you you might imagine how it's. going to play out, but it's going to. play out in unique situations. Some of. them will be similar. Some of them will. be completely different. Yeah. And. you've got to figure it out. Like you. were telling me that crazy story that I. was talking to you about the podcast. where you're shooting down at this bull. like from like a cliff like straight. down. >> Yeah. San Carlos this year. It was uh so. I arranged the bowl. It was a huge cliff.

and what I thought is I'd get up there. and I'd be able to see the flat and. there was some bulls down there. It was. a tough year in Arizona's the drought. But uh from that cliff I thought that'd. be a great vantage point to see where. these bulls were and plan a stock. So. get way up there. Actually, there's. sheep right above us, too. It's like. crazy rugged country. But get up there. on that cliff and I'm look kind of. looking out over the expanse there. And. then I look straight down below me. There's this big bull and like straight. down and I'm like, it's like if you're.

hunting mu deer, you know, they always. bet up against the cliffs. >> because so their back's protected. The. wind's coming up. They can monitor the. down below them with their nose. They. know nothing's coming from the back. That's how mu deer bed to to survive. Well, this bull had done that same thing. and it was it had just stood up from the. base of the cliff and I looked down I. range at 42 yards which people who know. if it's the rangefinder is telling you. to shoot for 42 that means straight down.

that means it's probably close to 60. yards you know because the range the. rangefinder um does a calculation if you. shoot flat that's the gravity affects. one thing if you shoot straight down. gravity has less effect so It's saying. even though it's further, you would. shoot for less distance is how that. works. So, it told me to shoot for 42. That means it's at probably 60 straight. down. And uh that's a long shot with a. with a bow. And then I had to shooting. straight down. I had to I thought that I.

was like going to go straight through. his spine cuz I was straight above him. I'm like, well, I'm going to come right. behind the shoulders straight through. his spine into his vitals. I thought. that should do it. So I shoot I hit that. bull like about I would say an inch off. the spine. I show it there's a video of. it on that the video we just watched for. people who are interested. But about an. inch off that spine into his chest and. the bull went about 100 yards. But yeah, it was uh. >> I've never I've never done a shot like. that before in my life. You know, you.

think about different scenarios. I had. never even thought about one like that. on a bull elk at that distance. >> at that angle. So that is even so where. >> Yeah, it's it's back. This is the That's. the Winnah bull, but it's back, Jamie, about I was talking about getting ready. for this hunt. And it shows like a few. clips of uh the bull I killed in. Colorado, then the Arizona bull, then I. did another hunt in Utah, and I I killed. a bull there to get prepared for for the. the Oregon hunt. But, uh, yeah, it was.

just I never even really thought that. that shot would be a potential one. >> The Oregon hunt is crazy because of the. wilderness is so dense. Yeah, it's. >> Oregon is nuts. >> Forest hunt. >> It's a It's like a rainforest. >> It's like Jurassic Park. And that's in. eastern Oregon. That's the dry part of. the state. >> That's crazy. >> But it's such such a hole there. So much. w moisture down there that it turned. into like Jurassic Park with that bull. coming in bugling. It It was like a. dinosaur kind. There's nothing that matches that. That.

aspect of elk hunting makes it so much. cooler. >> Yeah. >> Is the sound they make when they're. coming in because it's just like. >> nuts. >> All of your your [ __ ] pores pop up. Yeah. It's like you get goosebumps all. over your body, your back, your neck, the hair stands up. It's like the scream. is like whoa. >> Right. >> It's so It it is my favorite sound. >> It's amazing. Oh, they're incredible. animal. you hear when you're close and. there's an elk screaming through the. woods and he's coming close towards you. That the thrill of that is like nothing.

else. Like nothing else. >> No. And and people who haven't heard it, they hear that and they're like, "What. the [ __ ] is that?". >> Right. It sounds like demons. >> It's It's weird that there's an animal. on this planet that makes that noise. >> If if we hadn't done this our whole. lives and we heard that, we'd be like, >> "What is going on?". >> Yeah. If you had done what Adam did in. Japan and not research like what what. kind of animals are in the area and you. were camping out and you heard that. scream, you'd be like, "Oh my god, we're.

surrounded by demons.". >> No, I've had people tell me stories like. there's something really weird in the. woods there. >> Yeah. >> And then but you find out it's like. fellow deer or red deer are living in. there and it's like just their breeding. period and they're just roaring and just. people like what the [ __ ] is that? It's. like actually it's just a deer. >> Stag have the craziest roar. Such a. weird actually. >> make a real [ __ ] sound. >> compared to a the roar size. >> Well, like an African lion cuz I heard. those when I was hunting over there.

Like they're by the river and so we're. we're like an African lion in the middle. of the night. They're. >> Oh yeah. >> Oh yeah. >> Like oh my god. It just like. reverberates through the whatever we. were jungle. If there's anything that lights up your. DNA, the sound of a lion must just chill. your [ __ ] cell. >> Nothing like that either. Nothing like. that either. But you know, here's one. here's an exciting thing. So for people. listening that maybe didn't grow up. hunting, what we were talking about this.

in the green green room last night when. we were getting high off all the smoke, but um. >> we weren't smoking, but. >> but uh. >> we got high. It's [laughter] um what's. crazy is nowadays, you know, we're 58, you're 45, right? But we're just getting. even better physically. So, so you say. you can't master bow hunting, right? Because you only had a certain window. Like normally how hunting works is. you're young and strong, all the. endurance in the world, but you don't. know [ __ ] right? You don't have the. experience. So, by the time you get the.

experience and you're old and broke. down, you can't take advantage of the. experience. So, you have to have wisdom. The wisdom you gained when you were. young, you utilize when you're old to. kill. Well, now we can gain all that. experience and wisdom like I've been. I've been, you know, hunting for 40ome. years and I'm also at the best I've ever. been physically. You marry those two up. >> Look out. >> That's what's nuts is that didn't exist. before, >> right? So like we go to ways to well. today and get stem cell and get you know. the IV treatments and get everything.

else to be able to operate at our. absolute prime at 58 years old with 40. years of experience. >> Yeah, >> that's that's tough. That's you're going. to have success if you do it right. So. yeah, not everybody's going to be in. that situation where they grew up. hunting like me. But you even think. about Jelly Roll at 41 years old. So he. just started bow hunting. you started. bow hunting in your 40s and now now. you've been doing it for you know 15. years. >> and you're getting better. So there's.

there's hope for even people 40 50 or. whatever with this new science and and. treatment and supplements and things. like that. You can still be very active. and still take on new intense endeavors. like bow hunting or hunting just hunting. in general and have success and it might. change your entire life. Like Jelly Roll. is a different [ __ ] person. >> Yeah. Yeah. In two years he's a. different person, a different human. >> Totally. >> That should be exciting for people. listening. >> Yeah. They should learn that you could. do it too. And it's that and having more.

energy like say if you're not into bow. hunting. You say if you're not you like. I don't want to be a marathon runner, whatever. Whatever it is, if your body. is healthier, >> whatever the thing you do, >> you're going to be better. >> You're going to have more energy. You're. going to be better at it. You're going. to be better. You're going to be better. at it. you're going to have like why why. do people like cognitively decline when. they get older? Well, a big part of it. is you're declining overall. Everything's declining. Everything about. you is declining. Of course, your brain. is declining as well. >> Like your your entire existence is.

fading. You're you're but the more you. can have energy, the more you have. vitality, the more you can do what I. don't care if you play chess, whatever. the [ __ ] it is that you like to do, paint, whatever it is you like to do, the more energy you have, the more. energy you'll be able to apply to that. thing you do. >> The more enjoyable it is, the better. quality of life, the happier you are, >> including all the other stuff, you know, just being with your family. You'll have. more energy to do stuff. You'll be more. you'll have more life. you'll you'll.

have more life energy. >> Here's uh um one mindset I've tried to. take on with with especially with. hunting because that's all all I really. [ __ ] care about [laughter] is. improving and learning on every time. And I I could even think about like I. was telling somebody I don't know who. but. >> on every I try to learn something on. every stock and when I think about when. you killed the sable the other day. So, we're there and and you you have to. weigh out so many things on a stock when.

you're getting ready to to kill an. animal or potentially kill an animal, but we're thinking about, okay, we have. the wind. The wind is that's the biggest. thing with bow hunting. So, I knew where. the wind was, but then also it's like, well, do we go stay in the shade so the. sun wouldn't blind you as it was going. down? But if we stay in the shade, we're. not perfectly downwind. So I'm like, well, the sun's going to set, the winds. change because thermals change. If we're. to the side in the shade, so you don't.

have to deal with the sun. Then when. that wind becomes unstable, it's more. likely to smell us. So we should be all. the way downwind, but that means we're. going to have to shoot before the sun. gets too low to where it's not blinding. you. To get to the side, then you have. to figure out what's the path to get. there to where we're not making noise. for the animal to hear. Well, it's. straight to the I don't know if you. remember that tree and I said head. straight to that tree and from that tree. then I was thinking you should have a. lane cuz there was brush all around. But.

it looked to me like from that tree you. would have a lane to shoot at 28 yards. But you're still factoring all these the. wind, the sun, the everything else. What's the animal going to do? It's just. so fascinating to think about. But I. know some people hunt and I don't think. they think about it in those details. You know what I mean? They're just kind. of like, "Oh, there's an animal. What do. I do?" But like that's that's not how. that's not how you master the moment. You master the moment by and I said this.

a lot of times too on on many of these. hunts. I was telling Jelly Roll this. I. was like, "Everything matters. >> Everything. >> The little thing matters.". >> Yeah. >> The big things obviously matter, but. everything matters. And that's what. hunting teaches us. And in life, you can. make it through regular life on this. fake world that I keep talking about by. ignoring a lot of things. Not on a hunt. >> Yeah, we had to think about a lot of. things on that stalk. >> On a hunt, everything matters.

>> And one of the big ones that we had to. think about was as that sun was. dropping. So, we were standing there. waiting for this sable to get up. It had. bedded and it didn't know we were there. And we creeped into the spot we were. slowly got. >> Do you remember? And do so do you. remember that tactic? >> Remember what I said? >> If you move slow enough, they won't pick. it up, >> right? Because they look for movement. So we were we were moving like, you. know, like an inch every 30 seconds. We. were like barely moving. >> Cuz what I've found is animals I've been.

in the wide open on a caribou. Went. right at it, but so slow it was just. like. >> that can't be anything. Nothing does. that. >> No sideways movement. >> No. No. And just but steady and slow. And they just won't spook. Yeah. And we. had to figure out where to stand. And. then when we got where we were, as we're. standing there, we're standing there for. quite a while. I realized, oh, this sun. is going to be impossible cuz it's. slowly lowering in the sky and it's. literally above this sable's head now.

And I'm like, "Okay, if we don't get. this thing to stand up, I'm not going to. be able to see it." Cuz I I had my hat. on, right? So, I block myself from the. hat. And then I was trying to train my. eyes to just look at it through, you. know, just like the haze of the sun. And. I was like, "This is going to be a real. problem.". >> So, we decided, let's get him to stand. up. >> So, Cam took his arrow out of his quiver. and started tapping on this branch and. then started like moving towards it. And. Sable are beasts, bro. Yeah. >> First of all, those [ __ ] they. they kill lions occasionally. Like, they.

get attacked and they're they're fierce. Like, they're not. So, it wasn't exactly. easy to spook, >> right? >> So, you had to kind of like move towards. a little bit and then it started. grunting at you like, "Fuck off. >> [ __ ] off, [ __ ] [ __ ] off, [ __ ] And. then finally it stood up. And when it. stood up, we got him. >> Yeah. >> But it was, you know, it was a shot. where I was like, I got to do this real. soon because otherwise I'm not going to. be able to see. Yeah. >> Fortunately, I could and I can get the. pin right where it needed to be. But it. was like. >> I was and I was telling you afterwards,

I was like, I avoid shooting into the. sun. Yeah. When I have my targets, I. always put a target in the other way. So, and I'm like, I can't do that. anymore now. I have to start shooting. into the sun sometimes. You got to get. that feeling because that had happened. also on a hunt with Tom Land. We were up. in Utah and um this bull was a nice. bull. It was about 60 yards and it was. coming across this ridge. The sun was. right in my eyes. >> And he's like, "Why didn't you shoot?" I. was like, "I I just couldn't. It was too. too blurry. It was too The sun was right.

[ __ ] there." And I remember thinking. that at that time, this was years ago, thinking at that time, I need to shoot. into the sun. And I I never did. I never. did. I just like it won't come up. I. just won't take the shot. I'll do what I. did then. I won't take the shot. >> No. And if you're not comfortable, you. don't have to take the shot. >> But in this situation, I was like, I. know, it's not a long shot. It's only 28. yards and. >> it's a big animal and I'm. >> I'm pretty confident I got this. I was. like, I got to factor all these things. in and then not let doubt creep into my. head,

>> you know, stay totally calm. >> So, there's all these things going on. simultaneously. >> It's a lot. It's a lot to manage. a lot. >> but it but also a lot to a lot of. factors to consider and then learn from. >> Yeah. Oh, I learned a lot from that. hunt. I learned a lot. First of all, I. learned how [ __ ] tough Sable are. >> That is the same experience like I told. you I had with Neil Guy that I I shot. that Neil guy in South Texas and it ran. like I didn't even hit it. I hit it. perfect. The arrow went right through. him. It was the arrow. We found the. arrow 30 yards past where I hit. It was.

covered in blood. So, we knew he was. dead. But he ran like he never even got. hit. He ran full speed like a cheetah. It was crazy. And the [clears throat]. the guide I was with is like, "Yeah, man. They grew up around tigers." Like, these things evolved around tigers. >> Like, they don't just take getting hit. and go, "Oh, no. I'm in trouble." They. [ __ ] run. They're so tough and they. barely bleed. >> That's the other thing about these these. animals that grow up around big. predators. Boy, they clog up their holes. really quick. They don't leave much of a.

blood trail. It's not like an elk or a. deer. >> It's different. >> Yeah. I think Adam explains this well. Sometimes you talk about when you hit. them, if they're stretched out, then. when they're they're not stretched out, you know, it's like it just changes that. that the entrance wound and the exit. wound if there is one. It just changes. There's different layers of muscle and. hide over it where it just blocks up. that blood. >> It see it seems like they clog up. quicker too, just period. Like whatever. their anatomy is, the difference is when.

you hit them, they don't they just don't. bleed much. >> Yeah. I got a buddy that always, you. know, someone's like, "It was the. perfect shot." And I was like, "Well, actually, it wasn't cuz it'd be dead. already, you know." So, [laughter]. so it's like, and I know what you're. saying, but the truth is double lungs is. double lungs. And there's so many. variations like that reaction. They. close up the gap or what broader you use. and if the animals breathing out when. the arrow shoots it through the lungs or. whether it's just taking a bunch of. oxygen in, you know, there's. >> so it's a larger target. >> Yeah. And there's all those different.

plus just. >> more energy to run on. >> And then, you know, you'll see certain. hunters that shoot something, it's not. even dead yet, and they're like, "Yeah.". And start yahoo. And it's like, "What? Shut the [ __ ] up." Because that brings. on an adrenaline rush. Animals can run. further. Whereas, you just want a nice. relaxed setup, you know? It's just a. hit. They don't know what's going on. The beauty of the bow cuz it's so quiet. There's not a loud gunshot behind it or. anything. And then, you know, just so. they're relaxed. They don't want to run. as fast. They want to give up earlier.

because they got nothing to spook from. or fight from. So, you know, >> and they don't know what happened. >> Yeah. Sometimes they think they got. jabbed by another bull or something like. what happened. Everything's crazy. They're all rutting and screaming at. each other and clashing antlers and all. a sudden whack. Like, what the [ __ ] is. that? >> Right. Utah this year, the bull that I. shot, he'd just been in the fight with. another bull. >> So, he was all revved up from that other. bull. So I literally hit him and he just. he thought he got poked by an antler. from another bull, you know, and he went. 20 yards, was standing for 14 seconds,

dropped dead, nice, beautiful, peaceful, right in front of me. They don't all. happen like that, but that's what we're. after, you know. >> That's what you're after. That's why you. practice. That's why you shoot so many. arrows. >> That to have it drop right in front of. you is the greatest thing ever. >> And I think that does impact the taste. of the meat, too. If you don't have them. shoot that adrenaline back through their. body where it's a peaceful death, I. think it does impact the taste. >> That's what they say. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, it makes sense. >> I mean, don't they do that with uh when. they want to call animals like uh like.

what or if they want to shoot animals. rather not call them uh shoot them for. commercial purposes, they shoot them in. the head, right? >> Yeah. >> Oh, they put a bolt in their head. But. yeah, I mean. >> No, I mean [clears throat] like like in. LA when they shoot like axis deer from. me, they shoot them in the head. >> Definitely. No, but like even like when. they kill cattle, >> they're not getting those things wound, >> right? Of course. Of course. You want. them to be as calm as possible. >> The opposite of what that mountain lion. did to that cow. [laughter]. >> Imagine eating that. Imagine if you ate. that cow. That it would be like I got.

anxiety [laughter]. >> probably. It's probably in the meat. itself. >> I got issues. Taking it back to the. health journey how you were saying like, you know, where we are now with, you. know, modern treatments and wellness is. is incredible. Like I feel like my I. feel like my body's the best it's ever. been, you know, and I'm the obviously. the oldest I've ever been, which is. crazy to think of. Like how how can I. feel better than I do how can I feel. better now than I did in my early 20s, you know, we've probably out any.

injuries and stuff like that. So it's qu. and I've got you to thank for that by. introducing me to Brigham and W. So. >> Oh, my pleasure. I want more people to. know about it. I want everybody to be. healthy. It's possible. You can get. healthier. Like look at Jelly Roll. The. guy was 500 plus pounds and now he's. running. >> Now such an incredible story. >> 10K the day before he came to the. studio. And then when we we went to the. gym together and he ran 2.6 miles on the. treadmill while he was talking. We're. laughing. He's he's joking around. They.

don't know me, son. [laughter] He's. having a good old time. And you know, he. just seems so happy. We got in the sauna. together. We're laughing. It's like he's. just a different guy. He's got so much. and he's he's so in he's so excited. about this journey that he's on. This. journey of self-improvement, this. journey of health, you know, he's going. to be there for his kids. He's going to. be there for his wife now. He's worried. about dying before. >> You know, he told a story about fall. like laying on his arm and he couldn't. get up. He was trapped and he didn't. have. >> in bed.

>> in bed. He couldn't get up. He couldn't. couldn't and he thought he was going to. die. He's like, I'm so big that I'm laid. on my arm and I don't have the strength. to get out of this position because I'm. so big. >> What a change. >> And now he's running and bow hunting. >> Yeah, he's substance now. Like that's. like that substance will just keep him. going, you know, to find those things. and what makes him happy. >> And you know, the problem is a lot of. people often times compare themselves to. other people that are already on that. path. This is another thing that we. talked about. Um, you just get on the.

path. Don't worry about how people are. ahead of you. Just you be ahead of. yourself. Next week you're ahead of. where you were this week. The week after. that you'll be ahead of you. It's just a. path. Just get so so what if other. people have been on the path further. than you? Like that's how you get better. at stuff. And that that is what's. exciting about life is this path of. improvement and whatever you do and and. actually being a human being. Be a. better human. You can do that. Everybody. can get on that path. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's just that that's what.

I told Joey is uh you know you can. wander around off the path for your. whole life and never really have like. [ __ ] I never never really figured it. out. >> But once you make it like like where. he's on, you know, being healthy, uh. eating better, exercising, he you know, the mountains have given him um I always. say the mountains heal or nature heals. Um so he's there now. It's like yeah, of. course there's people who are way ahead. because they've been on it longer. There's people not quite on it. Maybe.

they're going to be faster than him and. they pass him, but all on the right. path, head in the right direction. That's a beautiful place to be and. that's where he's at. >> It is. And one of the things that I said. to Jelly when we're on the podcast, I. was like, "What you're doing is. inspiring millions of people to live a. better life." 100%. What you're doing is. so beneficial to human beings all over. the world because now millions of people. have seen that podcast. Millions of. people have heard that story. Millions. of people have seen those clips that. have been shared all throughout social.

media. And how many people got excited. by that and it gave them fuel and energy. to want to go do something? It gave them. that inspiration that we all desperately. crave to want to go out and take those. first [ __ ] steps. And then once you. do that, then you're operating on. momentum and it's so much easier. This. is another thing that people have to. understand. The first steps are the. hardest. It's so hard to move. It's so. hard to get going. But once you get. going, then you operate on momentum.

Once you have a good day, then you go, I. did it. I had a good day. Let's do it. again tomorrow. And then you get excited. about it. And you look forward to waking. up. And then you get through it that. day. Like, we [ __ ] did it again. And. now I'm looking forward to now I'm. eating healthier. Now I cut off the. sugar. Now I'm drinking water with. electrolytes. And now I'm feeling. better. I have more energ. And just keep. going. Just keep going. And momentum is. so much easier than that first step. The. first step of changing your life is so.

hard because we're just so afraid of. pain. We're so afraid of suffering. We're so afraid of like just the. discomfort. We've been programmed to. think that discomfort is a bad thing. It's not. >> Yeah, >> it's not. It's necessary. I think that. Joey Ro might I mean I think we've. talked about this but could he impact. more people than anyone ever has in that. regard? >> 100%. >> We were talking about that today 100%. >> Because it's like it's not like.

>> you know even Israel or your favorite. NFL guy or NBA they're they're elite. right? So when they succeed you're like. a [ __ ] of course you know he's 68 260 of. course he's going to be great. But when. you see somebody like Jelly Roll who. came from 540 lbs, that's like he's already at the furthest. end of like, you know, n like what you'd. have to overcome. >> Yes. >> And for him to do that, anybody else is. closer to to the goal than he's he was.

at that time. So it's like. >> nobody's in worse shape really, right? You know, you you literally morbidly. obese. >> You can't be in worse shape, you know? >> Right. And if he's doing it, everyone. can do it. Everyone who has who has that. some something inside him and maybe he's. going to give them that something. >> 100%. And he's way more famous than. anybody who's ever done this before, right? That's the most important aspect. of it. He's loved by so many people. So, how many Jelly Roll fans loved him.

because he was like them. He was big. like them. Super talented, amazing guy. who was also big. like, "Oh my god, I. thought I was a big slob and no one's. going to love me." Meanwhile, everybody. loves Jelly Roll. So, they love Jelly. Roll. And then all a sudden, Jelly Rolls. changed his life. Like, >> how many people are sitting there. watching him and listening to him going, >> "I think I can do it. He did it. I think. I can do it." And he just do it the way. he, you know, like he didn't start out. running marathons. He tried to go for a. walk. Yeah. You know, I mean, >> he would call his walk his run cuz he.

couldn't run, right? >> But he'd say, tell his family, his wife, and that he's going to go out on his. run. there was not one step of running. but the the mindset. >> the uh um story he told himself was he. was running so it's that selft talk you. know how we talk to ourselves is. important so he would tell himself I'm. going to go run even though there's no. not a step of running involved. >> but that led to running that mindset. that that approach of like I'm winning. today I'm winning it's not a run it's a.

walk but it's going to be a run you know. >> that's that's got to be a massive mental. achievement for too because I'm sure. that he had a lot of mind weight to lose. as well because jail he was in jail. right. >> substance abuse no doubt probably a lot. of like that's a lot of negative stuff. in someone's head so to lose that as. well and you told me that he's such a. positive person so to like you know he. lost a bunch of weight which is. incredible but what he's done to his. mind which we may never know is really.

incredible too like like that's why I. saying to you this morning, this might. be one of the best modernday stories of. a person changing their life when you. look at Jelly. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And and it couldn't be a better. representative. of someone who has gone through the. struggle and then come out this amazing. person. >> Like he's an amazing guy. Like there's. very few humans that are so kind and.

friendly and warm and when he hugs you, he hugs you with his soul. like he hugs. you with his whole body and his soul. >> He's like a perfect person to be the. inspiration for people to improve their. life. >> Well, and that was so touching like when. you shared the uh Grand Old Opry. >> Yeah. >> Um inclusion for Jelly Roll from Craig. Morgan and he said, >> "Joe, can I get a hug?" I [laughter]. mean, two two men and that to me that.

was like so endearing but also so. important. >> to show that it it's okay for men to. say, "Yeah, >> yeah, >> can I get a hug?". >> I mean, it was a man crying. It was one. of the most inspirational things you. could ever watch. >> I mean, but it takes a certain type or. it's one of one who does stuff like. that. Like him, his heart, that's what I. say. is he's a big man, but he's got the. biggest heart of anybody I've ever met. And that was an example of it. Like he. just wanted.

>> love. >> Yeah. >> He's uh he's a very important figure in. our culture. He really is. It really is, you know, especially now. I mean, always. was. His music just alone is is. important because it's beautiful music, but the beautiful music is the. expression of a beautiful soul, you. know, and now he's also on this path of. self-improvement and it's amazing. >> Yeah. That title of his album, Beautifully Broken. >> I mean, it's just so perfect. [snorts]. >> Yeah, it is. >> And he's he's he was broken. Probably.

will always be broken in some ways. We. all are. But he's putting himself back. together. And man, he's. >> Are we all broken or do we all have. negative thoughts from the past? >> Are we telling ourselves we're broken? Maybe that's it. Maybe that's our self. talk. >> Obviously, we're functional, so we're. not broken. >> You know, it's not that we're broken. It's just. >> the doubt, the self-doubt. >> Well, everyone's going to you're going. to you're it's like you're a human. being. The only way you figure out how. to get good at something is you have to. It has to be a puzzle. Puzzles include. doubt.

>> Yeah. >> It's always going to be there. >> There's no getting around it. No, it's not. But it's part It ends up. being the beauty of it, right? Yes. That's it. >> That's the beauty of it. And and then. whatever you do doesn't you don't have. to bow hunt. It's like you probably. should, but you don't have to. It could. be anything else. >> But yeah, just any struggle in life, you. know, that's how I look at anything like. that. That's testing or triing or. >> and it should be it should be. interesting for you too. It should be an. interesting thing. That's the people.

also have this weird habit of looking at. the mind in terms of only being valuable. in human created endeavors. Like the. mind only being valuable in mathematics, the mind only being valuable in your. ability to recite literature and your. your your knowledge that you've gained. through schooling. Like no, no, the mind. the the mind manages stressful. situations too. That's an important. aspect of intelligence is your.

intelligence in being able to navigate. difficult things. That is all your mind. You're using your mind like bow hunting. has so much. so many elements of intelligence that. are woven into it. And the difference. between a successful person who bow. hunts and an unsuccessful person is. experience and practice, but also the. mind being able to learn from each.

individual situation and experience and. get better and accumulate all this. knowledge over time. >> You know, it's got a deep deep learning. curve. It's very deep. And the people. that don't experience it and that have. this classification in their head of. what intelligence is. intelligence means. you got a PhD. I know a lot of people. with PhD that are fools. >> They're fools. They're emotional. children. They're they're they're. they're filled with ego and resentment. and they're shitty and nasty to people.

They're fools. So, they're not smart. >> They're just they have a functional mind. that they've applied to human endeavors. only, right? >> And they've never. never done the big thing, never done the. whole package, never put it all. together. >> Yeah. And I think I think another key to. being um intelligent. I don't I don't know if it's the key but. having kids I think is a big part of. growth. And to me it's like I I lump. like intelligence just just life.

experience into. the the package we'd call intelligence. But like hunting teaches us that of. course but also raising kids and and. being responsible for a family. >> Oh yeah. I think that's another it's. like. >> yeah, school doesn't teach you that [ __ ]. and like the the the degree you got. doesn't teach doesn't signify that. But. >> I don't know. I think that's a big part. of it, too. >> It's it's a giant learning experience. That's for damn sure. And it also.

teaches you way more compassion. It just. teaches you to be way more loving and. kind and and you also just. >> you you understand from watching a baby. become an amazing adult human being. You. get to understand all the elements that. are involved in this child's development. and all the trials and tribulations. How. you got to like let them fall sometimes. and then help them pick themselves back. up and talk to them through it and when. they're down explain like I've been down. too. I'm always down. I've I've [ __ ].

up everything. I was whenever my kids. would do anything wrong, one of the. things I'd always tell say to them if I. was upset at them, I would say, "Listen, I did everything that you did. >> I've done all this stuff. It's okay, but. you can't do it. And this is why." Yeah. >> Like, I've I've screwed up everything. I've I've done things I shouldn't have. done. I I'm doing exactly what you're. doing right now. I've done it even. worse. You're a better kid than I was. >> Yeah. >> I always say that. So, they don't think. that like I'm without fault. I always. say, "I've done it all, but I got. through it on the other side. Now I'm. your dad. And the reason why I'm telling. you this is cuz I love you and I'm not.

tell I'm not I'm not trying to like be. upset at you because I'm mean like I'm. trying to help you live a better life. And that's how I try to communicate with. them about it. >> So in in my head that perspective opens. up other lanes. >> of intelligence. That's that's what I'm. saying. It's like you ha you can't be. the your highest form without that, >> right? You're challenged. you're. challenged by and you're also challenged. by the discipline of it and you you know. you you have people that rely on you and.

that is like you can't [ __ ] that off. You can't just like not show up for. work. You can't just you know I just. feel like sleeping in today and [ __ ]. I'm taking a month off. Like you can't. do that. You have people that rely on. you. And also you're setting an example. for them that they're going to learn. from. >> the the people that and your kids are a. great example of that. The children of. people that are very disciplined almost. always have a higher threshold of. discipline. I notice it. I see it in. your kids for sure. I see it in my kids.

They they have more of an understanding. of what's necessary in order to get. things done and to be successful. Now, if you're a person who's a parent and. you sherk every responsibility, you lie, you you steal, you you do things you're. not supposed, you take shortcuts, you. you're not truthful, you're whatever. you're doing where your kids get to see. like, oh, my parent is a kind of a. [ __ ] You know, my parent is kind of. a one of two things happens. Either you.

emulate your parents and you be kind of. a [ __ ] or you go, I don't like that. and I'm never going to be like that. Like some of my friends that grew up. with alcoholic parents, they've never. had a drink in their [ __ ] life and. they never will. They're like, I am. never touching that [ __ ] I see what. that's like because I saw my dad lose. his [ __ ] job, lose his house, lose. this, lose that, get arrested for DWI, get in a bar fight. My dad's a [ __ ]. loser. And I'm not going to be that guy. So, but it's it's a tossup. >> Or some might emulate that.

>> Some might emulate it. Yeah. I mean, some you see your dad's a drug addict, you're like, "Let me try it.". I grew up like that with a couple of. [snorts] closer friends and these closer. friends were like, "I'm never going to. be like my dad." Like, we'll we'll to. the core we were like that. We're never. going to be like our fathers. And and. that's one of the reasons I don't drink. cuz my father was a horrible alcoholic. And even though when I drink I'm happy, I I'm just turned off it. So, I don't. want to do it. And I guess I've gone. long enough now that it doesn't interest. me. And then I had another friend that I.

cut off because he turned out to be. exactly like his dad. And even though he. the whole time he was like me, I'm never. going to be like my father. I'm going to. be the opposite. For some reason, some. people just go down the same path. >> I think it's also the stress of life. It's sometimes it's overwhelming. You. know, this this thing that we look. forward to in bow hunting, this like not. knowing what's going to happen. Like you. you get out there, it's early in the. morning, you put your pack on, you don't. know what's going to happen today. Who. knows? Some people hate that feeling, right? They hate that feeling of not.

knowing what's going to happen. And the. uncertainty about your career and job is. a weird uncertainty. >> Is it depends on so many factors that. are sometimes out of your control. And. people just they get overwhelmed and. they just want to escape. They just want. to escape. And maybe they're doing a job. they don't enjoy doing. And then the. only time they feel good is when they're. drunk. So they just get get off work and. they can't wait to meet their boys and. have a laugh. And next thing you know, you're drinking and one day turns into a. month and that's your day. It's just. that's distraction. They want to be. distracted off their.

>> life or whatever. >> And this world will give you a lot of. distractions. You could play video games. and [ __ ] get hammered and. >> do heroin. >> Yeah. Whatever it is, fill in the blank, man. You could find a lot of stuff. that's not going to be beneficial for. you. >> Yeah. It's uh one thing that um I I. think the well sub drinking and whatever. but I think the biggest uh negative. thing a parent can offer their kids is. >> blaming other like all it's always.

somebody else's fault like so it's like. this discussion at the house you know. cuz kids hear everything right so when. the dad's coming home and he's bitching. about his boss or the guy at work or. he's getting [ __ ] over for this or I. could do that too, but that guy kissed. ass, that's why he got that. Or the must. be nice, whatever. Like these excuse. makers. >> Oh, you're just [ __ ] sabotaging your. kids. >> It's just that you never get anywhere by. blaming other people for where you're. at. And so many people do that because.

they won't accept personal. responsibility for their actions or for. their place in life. >> And I don't even think necessarily it's. their fault. I think they've a lot of. them have never seen an example of of an. extraordinary person who doesn't do. that. They're not there's it's rare to. find a person unfortunately in this. world especially in society. It's rare. to find a person of great character, a. person who's just got impeccable. character and is always truthful and is. work works really hard and is loved by a.

lot of people. It's rare. It's rare. And. so they've never experienced it. They. never been around it. And so they don't. even know what it is, >> right? They don't know that they're. sabotaging. >> Yeah. And sometimes that's one of the. the real places where a guy like Jelly. Roll can can change people's lives is. because he does talk about all of the. negative [ __ ] that he's experienced and. all the negative influences and all the. bad people that he was around and how he. was living that life. He was trapped in. that way and now he's not anymore. and.

and and he so the big things substance. uh criminal lie overweight all those. those are usually the big things and he. overcame all of them. >> all of them. >> so it's like that's where that power. comes from where to influence so many. people it's because so what was your. issue again. >> yeah well jelly roll yeah he overcame. that oh wait was there something else oh. that too. >> I mean it's everything all the big.

things he's overcome. >> So what what what else is there? What. else are you going to blame? >> You just got to find a thing. Find a. thing. Get on a path. >> Yeah. >> Just get moving. >> On the path. >> Get moving, [ __ ]. >> I went to the guy to the bathroom. Sorry, lads. All right. >> What? >> See, I told you. >> It's got that Australian bladder. It's. upside down. >> No, it's IV. I told him. I said I said, "Hey, put all that [ __ ] in like this. much whatever fluid cuz I don't want to. have to take a piss." [laughter]. >> I wonder if it works as good that They. made it super concentrated.

>> Did they really? That's hilarious. Why. don't you just like wait and pee? I. don't mind peeing. But every time I've. done that, when I come here after an IV, I do the same thing after pee. >> Yeah, I know. >> Or after the sauna, cuz after the sauna, I always drink this giant 64 ounce. >> thing of water and electrolytes. And. then like an hour and a half into the. podcast, I'm like, "Oh no, >> that that hits." Joey Roll had he. learned that lesson in the blank cuz we. were sitting for hours. [laughter] And. like if you haven't ever been in a. position where you know you you can't. just get out and go pee or whatever then.

you're like I didn't know what this. holding you know he said he was going to. piss his pants [laughter]. >> like he's like had to make a hole in the. blind and pee into and cover it up with. because I was like okay just make a hole. covered up with dirt whatever and that's. what he did but uh yeah it's pretty when. you got a piss it can be miserable. Well, there's a mental challenge of. sitting still for long periods of time. Like I've only treeand hunted once. I. did it at Dudley's place in uh Iowa. >> Yeah. >> And the thing about Iowa is first of.

all, it's in November that you're. hunting and it's so [ __ ] cold. It's. so cold and you have to sit still, >> right? >> You can't [ __ ] move a muscle. And. you're out there for hours and hours and. hours just hoping a deer gets it within. bow range. And the only reason why they. do is just they just happen to be. wandering, right? And it's total luck. >> It's complete luck. I mean, that's why. those guys like a lot of those like real. psycho Lee Lakovsky guys, they they.

they'll out they're out there for months. at a time. They'll hunt a single buck. for like 38 days or however long the. season is and they're in that damn blind. every day or they're in that tree stand. every day just squeezing their dick off. just huddling up with mittens and [ __ ]. And and then when the and sometimes when. if you have a like a powerful bow like. you pull back like when it's 0 degrees. outside and you go to pull that thing. back you're like tough. [laughter]. >> You might not get it back. >> Oh no. Yeah.

>> Oh no. >> And that's a helpless feeling. >> Oh no. But now day, so back in the day, back when I used to, you know, I still. treeand hunt, you know, for blacktail. sometimes, but phones have changed like. how long you can stay cuz you can just. [ __ ] around on your phone now. >> Oh, that's true. >> And then also there's heated vests, >> heated socks. >> Yeah. >> So you can have like it's still. >> just standing in a tree or sitting in a. tree for 14 hours. Terrible. >> Still terrible.

>> Terrible. Even with all that, >> it's a little easier, but pretty. terrible. >> Well, thankfully, gear's a lot better, too. Like layering systems and you could. stay like you could stay alive. Let me. put it that way. You're not going to be. comfortable, but you could stay alive. out there at 0 degrees sitting still. >> Dude, I didn't. So, I you know, signed. on to Sitka now, but I hadn't I other. things. I was, you know, Under Armour, different whatever. And uh I guess I had. never had good gear my entire life.

because [laughter]. I didn't [ __ ] know I didn't have to. be miserable in a treeand. And uh so. Sitka sent me I don't know what it is. It's like some sideways zip jacket or. >> Yeah, it's a jacket. It's I can't. remember what it's called, but it's. polar fleece. And I was like up there. going. >> this is awesome. >> I [ __ ] feel [laughter] good. I'm I'm. not freezing. And I had never So, like I. said, I've bow hunted my whole life. I. guess I always just had like [ __ ] that. wasn't the best and just thought, "Ah,

it's part of the deal.". >> Not just that, it doesn't restrict any. of your movements. >> No, I just have to wear like. >> [ __ ] seven hoodies, right? Trying to. pull a bow with seven hoodies on, but. that's how I had to stay warm. So, with. the Sika stuff with John Barclo and he's. kind of in design and he's a bow hunter. himself, but I can have this [ __ ] on and. it's not restricted. if I can pull my. bow. And you know, it's not this isn't. like a [ __ ] ad for Sitka. There's if. there's other stuff out there that does. that too, great. I just don't know about.

it because I'd never had it. But man, that that [ __ ] works good. >> There's a bunch of highlevel gear that's. out there. But it's like whatever. they've done with Sitica, they've made. it so that everything works perfectly. They've dialed it in perfectly. The. pants, they have the built-in knee knee. pads, which is [ __ ] huge. I love. those pants. So when you're crawling on, like they're the perfect knee pads. super lightweight, but you could sneak. around on stuff on your knees and not be. in [ __ ] agony, >> right? >> And it doesn't restrict your movement at. all. >> The level of detail they have now on.

these clothes. >> is is. >> and it's more fitted, you know? I. remember like [clears throat] stuff that. we used to use, we used to complain. about it together, but. >> it's like, who are they making these. pants for when the legs are that wide at. the bottom still? So, you're walking. along hunting and it's just like. >> like bell bottoms and and they get wet. They're [ __ ] flopping around and. [ __ ] It makes me so pissed. I would. take [laughter] pictures and send a Kip. when he was at Under Armour or like the. pocket or something. I'm like, "What the. [ __ ] is going [laughter] on?".

>> But yeah, this this stuff fits good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, it's just I mean that's one. of the reasons to give them props so. that they stay open, stay alive because. it's like that that kind of gear is so. [ __ ] important, >> you know, to have gear that doesn't. restrict your movement, totally keeps. you comfortable and warm, >> makes you like so you can move around. very quietly. The the whatever fabrics. they're using, they got it dialed in, man. When you're walking, if your fabric. rubs together, you don't hear a [ __ ]. thing. >> Yeah. And again, time's precious and.

we're we're doing stuff in this time. and we want to enjoy it. So, we're in. gear that makes us enjoy it. It's great. >> It was just the the market for this. This is like one of the things that. really. is I think important like the market for. these things that are so impactful and. important to us. There's not a Did I. just touch the microphone? Did I [ __ ]. something up? >> Sounded weird on my end. Um that it's. not a big market. There's not a lot of. us out there, you know? So it's like god.

I'm so thankful that someone put so much. research and development into these. products whether it's Hoy bows or. whatever you're using that you like you. got to think like how many people had to. work tirelessly to figure out how to. make this thing that is so critical to. your success. >> you know fill in the blank binos like. whatever it is whatever you're using who. [ __ ] figured out how to make. binoculars how about the Sig ones that. have image stabilizing now who figured. [laughter] that out who who's what.

wizard what wizard scientist. I got a p. pair of those 16 power sigs the zulus. >> Yeah. >> You hit that switch and turn on the. image stabilization. And normally if. you're holding for people that don't. know if you're holding 16 power binos in. your hand your image that you're getting. on the other end is all wiggly zoomed. in. It's 16 times larger than what you. actually see. So every micro movement is. a giant jiggle in your eyesight in your. eye picture. But with those things, it's.

like you're watching a movie. It's like. fully locked in like it's on a tripod. It's crazy. >> I was looking through a friends and I'm. like and I was like, "Uh, look, the. glass isn't as good in them. >> and I'm saying that to him, you know, and then cuz I'm looking through mine. and mine are crystal clear. >> and maybe the glass isn't as good in. them, but because the image is dead. still, so I'm doing this. So, I'm. putting mine up and I'm like, "Yeah, these are really clear." And then I put. that up and I'm like, "They're not as. clear." No, you have to turn the button. on. And then I press the button on. I.

was like, "Oh, [ __ ] They're [laughter]. better.". >> Because the image is still, so you're. really getting to look at. >> it's it's going to be it's the future. Sarovski is now doing it with spotting. scopes. So, they have a handheld. spotting scope that completely. stabilizes the image. And it's just no. tripod. I mean, you hold like a 65 power. spotting scope and you you could look. around like this, which is crazy. >> Well, crazy. >> And the reason why that's so critical to. a hunter is we look for movement just.

like a an animal looks for us moving too. quickly, but we look for movement like. an ear flick or a or a tail wag or. something like or they'll sometimes. they're high just if they got a fly. lands on them. So, you're looking for. like a small little bit of movement. You. can't do that if you're bot if you got. movement in the optics. But with that. stabilization, it's dead solid. So you. can see when that ear flicks where you. where it'd be flicking before, you just. didn't notice it. >> So that's where it's like so critical.

But. >> if you think about all this stuff, this. top-of-the-line stuff that we talked. about with the bows, the camo, the. binos, >> bow hunting [ __ ] still was so hard. So that's what's so beautiful about it. is it's so challenging. >> I don't care about all this stuff is. great. >> No matter what you do, you're going to. stink. >> And if the wind catches the back of your. neck and you see that animal's head pop. up, it's a wrap. >> They're designed to get the [ __ ] away. from any funky smells of things that eat.

meat. >> Yeah. >> Not interested. I'm out of here. They. smell us, bribe. We must stink. We must. [ __ ] smell like hot death to them. >> Oh yeah. Because when you see an elk or. a deer catches a whiff of you and their. their head is like, "Oh no, >> what is this [ __ ] [laughter]. >> They don't even have to think that long. about it.". >> And you know, they keep making these. rules to try to make bow hunting harder, like eliminating certain things like. that Garmin site. I used to love using. that Garmin rangefinding site and then.

they made it outlawed in Utah. I'm like, "Oh guys, come on.". >> Like this doesn't make it any easier. It. just makes it so that you're going to. wound less things and have more. effective shots. But, you know, when you. get to that, like it used to be there. was no rangefinders, right? When you. started out, was there any rangefinders. at all? Nothing. >> There was no sights when I started out. No peep site, no fixed sight. >> That's crazy. >> We shot fingers with compound. >> That's crazy. >> So, you I'd have a little glo glove, three tab glove thing, and you shoot.

that. Uh, >> what year did they invent the archery. release? >> Well, I got one in '89 finally. And. >> when did they first come out? >> Like who who was the first guy that. invent who's the first guy that goes, you know what? This is [ __ ] I need. a thing that I can. >> I like how Cam's like, I got one in '. 89. I was 9 years old. [laughter]. >> Well, at least you were born. >> I didn't know the word elk. [laughter]. >> Um, but you knew the word content cuz. they say it all the time down there when.

you were a baby. What a cute little. [ __ ] [laughter]. >> Like, who was the guy that figured out. the archer release? That guy's a wizard. >> Jim Fletcher was it. The Fletcher. release was the first one I had and it. had a little rope in it. I remember. you'd have to put the rope around and. it'd hook on the trigger on the clasp. and then you'd hit the trigger and. release it. And I didn't get I had to. replace that rope because it start to. wear off. >> So, you'd have to have the right knot. and then you kind of burn it to get it. to hold in there. I didn't have it good.

enough. So, I didn't do that not right. I go to pull the bow back, the release. comes off, hit myself in the face, and. uh so. >> when I first started buying releases, they would come with a little string. >> Did they? >> Yeah. The f some releases would come. with a little rope, and I was like, "What the [ __ ] is this for?" And it must. be for guys who had kind of always done. it that way and didn't want to not do it. that way anymore because that was like a. part of their thing. >> Maybe. Did Did you find a Fletcher. release. >> from 1971? Wow. 71. Oh yeah.

>> 71. Look at that. >> Stannislovski. >> Yeah. >> Still they make awesome releases today. Look at that. >> That is awesome. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. >> Oh, so that was just like a a thing that. went around your fingers. >> Yeah. And it just turns to let it go. >> Oh, like a hinge. >> Yeah. >> Wow. May revolution. Look at that image. May revolutionize archery. Look at that. Go that back to that. Look at that. may. revolutionize Archie by contributing to. unprecedented accuracy. I mean, that's.

essentially like a hinge. >> Yeah, it is. >> Was there a fight back on it at the. time? >> 66. >> 66. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Touched a bow before 64. >> It was like, I got some I got an idea. for you guys. >> Wow. Using the six gold bow string. release to improve their speed and. accuracy. Wow. Oh, his two sons. Glenn. and his two sons use this release. >> I never even heard of this guy's name. Clarence. >> Wow. Look how it works, too. Like you.

hook it with your index finger and then. you pull your index finger through and. it pops off. That's crazy. So when you. draw it, you have it like that and then. you release it. You let it go. >> You just let you let up on your with. your index finger. Yeah. Like a hinge. and it turns. >> A lot of guys shoot a hinge that way. You know, some guys shoot a hinge by. pulling down with their pinky finger. >> See? See that piece of rope? Yeah. Mhm. >> Hand released from 1950. >> Wa. >> Wow. >> So, there's certain release. >> That's crazy. Look at that thing.

>> Wow. >> Look at that thing. It looks like a gun. handle. >> That's so weird. >> Yeah. It's Huh. 5.95. >> $5 a night cash. >> Some things have changed. >> They pay for post. >> That's shipping right now. I mean, you. can't even ship for that. [laughter]. >> They'll pay. >> What a cool looking release. Imagine. what a gangster you'd have to be to use. that today. >> Yeah. I wonder if they. >> I love all this stuff though. >> Look at that one up there. 1977 a Seir. type release. Go up. >> Oh, look at the guy with all the girls. >> Yeah, that's what you get. >> See, that's Bow Honey.

>> Look at this. This is the first hinge. style release. >> Yeah. >> So, this is in the 70s. >> Huh. >> Look how weird that thing looks. >> Yeah. >> It was always hard to get a consistent. release with fingers, right? Of course. Three fingers in the way. >> No. Your fingers get cold and shit's. wet. >> Totally makes sense. Yeah. >> Wow. >> Let's look at the other ones real quick. >> There was always a big fight in. Australia whenever something new come. in. Like sights on a bow. Go to that. image of that guy. >> Terry Ratch.

>> Yeah, he was he shot [laughter] PSSE. >> Yeah, he's a legend. >> PSC, baby. >> Look at the girls are on their knees. Oh. my god, you shoot that stick so good. [laughter]. >> See, and that's still how it is pretty. much happens all the time. As soon as. you pull a release, >> they [laughter] can't wait. They they. hop out of the trees. there. >> He was a stud. I remember uh Terry and. Michelle Ragsdale. >> Look at that one. >> D Wild. Yeah, he was. >> the Wild when I first started. He was. the man. >> Oh, that one has a trigger. That might.

be one of the first ones with a trigger. >> Mhm. >> Wow. See that ones with a string? Like. if you would buy old Carter releases, they would come some of the releases. would come with like a little string. >> Yeah. >> It was weird. I was like, "What is this. [ __ ] stupid string for?" I never get. it. I never even asked anybody. >> Oh, really? >> No. It just like didn't make sense. >> See that? I remember that. That's 2000. So that's getting newer. >> Look at the wind release. That's nuts. >> Yeah. >> There's an overdraw up there. >> Yeah. That's cool. >> Overdraw, right? >> Wow. >> Yeah. So that's a Did you.

>> 1990? Look at that funky looking one. with wood. That's kind of cool looking. >> Sweet. >> That does. So I guess it's a thumb. button. It must be. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Wow. And see some of them have strings. >> Yep. So in case people were like old. school. >> Yeah. Pretty cool. >> Wow. >> Archery. >> So how would you when you first started, how would you measure distance? Would. was it all just in your mind? >> Just instinct. >> Instinct. So just like throwing a ball. >> Yeah. So you just have to, you know,

it's just like now they have unmarked 3D. tournaments where they don't have it. You just have to get out there and kind. of judge. Um. >> it was definitely harder back then. because the bows weren't as fast. So. you're you could only be off by like a. yard or two or you'd miss. Now with a. faster flatter shooting bow, you can be. off you can't be off by five yards. >> Right. For people who don't know what. we're talking about, the slower the bow. is, the more it's going to drop by by. the time it gets to the target. The. faster the bow is, the flatter it's. going to shoot. >> You learn your cast on the bow, too. So.

you never wanted to get rid of that bow. because you would literally learn the. cast of an arrow. >> And that's what what Adam's talking. about is the trajectory. So, we used to. practice this all the time, like you'd. have a target out there at 60 yards, but. halfway in between you and the target, you couldn't even see the target. So, you'd put like you could put a car and. so you're looking through the car window. because you can see through the glass. and line of sight, you're going to go. right through, break the windows and. everything else, but you just know that.

at 60 yards, that arrow is going to be. 10 yards above that car halfway there. >> So, at 30 yards, the arrow has to go up. to come down at 60. So you could just. aim right at a car, arrows going right. over it. >> So we do stuff like that just for fun. >> to figure out the arc of the arrow, >> right? But not even that was like a just. an an elementary example just so people. could get what I'm saying. But when we'd. get in the woods, then there'd be a. branch like I I said I shot with Levi. Morgan. He came out and did lift, run,

shoot. I'm like, "Okay, I'm going to. beat this fucker." Okay, he's [laughter]. 16, 17 time world champion. So, I had. all these shots where it's like, okay, this branch there, is he going to know. this one shot was like I think it was. 90ome yards at a deer up on the hill, but there's this big branch halfway in. between it and I knew it was kind of. hard to tell is your arrow going to go. over it or under it, right? It was. because you didn't know that. I think it. was about 25 yards away. I knew what my.

arrow was going to do because I. practiced over and over and over and I'm. going to be like, "Oh, Levi's going to. [ __ ] this one up for sure. I'll I'll. beat him on this target." Sure as [ __ ]. He knew exactly what his arrow was going. to do. But that's he practices that all. the time and done it his whole life and. and this and that. But um just fun games. like that. >> And it was only just to make us cuz when. you're hunting that [ __ ] happens all the. time. But where I would kind of screw. myself up is I loved the challenge of.

shots so much like and I shot between. trees so often because that was like my. thing. I could just like even it was. just like like 4 in I'd be like, "Oh, I. can hold an hour.". >> So when I was hunting, if I'd see a. challenging shot on an animal, I'd be. like where I could have maybe taken a. step to the right and got wide open, I'd. be like, I can make this shot. and like. [ __ ] up like making my hunting shot. more challenging because I was just. young and an idiot. Now I'd be like, "I'm be stupid. I can just go right here.

and shoot." [laughter] But I would do. that, but we'd practice that all the. time because it was fun. And then you'd. like have you'd want your I mean, I had. so much confidence in shooting. I would. shoot hours and hours and hours every. day. I remember one time. >> we're at this uh Henson's uh these guys. who used to bow hunt with us. Me and Roy. were there and there's a the bail out. there at 70 some yards and then a piece. of foam that was like a a broadhead. target used to be just a square piece of. foam like two inches maybe maybe three.

inches wide but like by two foot by two. foot and that was your broadhead target. and that would stop an arrow with a. broadhead just at two or three inches of. foam well the foam target the broadhead. target was laying flat on the bail at 70. yards so it was only like 2 in and we'd. like have these competition all the time. I'm like I said, "See that broadhead. target on the cedar bail?" "Yeah, I'm. going to hit that broadhead target.". >> And I would hit it and that. So, we were. the best shots ever with no.

rangefinders. >> So, then Bushnell finally came up with a. rangefinder and it was like a kind of. like a. >> I remember like a cassette. >> like a Yeah. kind of longer like an. eight track tape almost like sort of. size and then it had a dial on it and. the images it'd be off and then if you. lined up the image like this that would. be you'd look at the then you'd look at. it wherever that image lined up that'd. be the yardage. So then you'd be like. okay that's is close to 50 yards then.

you'd know to shoot for 50 but it wasn't. very accurate. It was close. And did you. have a sight tape? You had pins. >> You had pins. >> Yeah. The the sights didn't move at that. time. >> So your pins would be set up at like 20, 30, 40, 50, something like that. >> Yeah. And they just had like we called. them tea dots. So it was like a little. plastic sort of like fiber but it was. like red plastic that would sort of like. have light on it like a little just a. little. >> fiber optics or anything.

>> No, it wasn't fiber but it' light up a. little cuz it was red plastic. >> Yeah. I heard [clears throat] uh people. talking about this the other day. They. were talking about uh Josh Jones and uh. that Josh and Tim's Fireside Chat. >> Yeah. >> It's a great podcast. Yeah. >> But they were talking about how a site. that you buy today for like 25 bucks. >> is so superior to anything that existed. in like 1990. >> Yeah. >> Like it still made it. >> fiber optics. >> enjoyable. It still made it a lot more. successful. You know, it's like it was.

still a big advance at that time. >> Yes. Yeah, >> but the thing about where it is now is. >> well the garment site like I was telling. you about that that I it had a few flaws. one I had one that worked perfectly and. then I had a second one you know when. you get you one of the things you said. when you get a new bow you don't want to. put old [ __ ] on the new you want to put. new [ __ ] on the new bow I did that too. but unfortunately my first garment site. worked perfectly my second one didn't. work so good like there would be times. where it worked perfectly and then times. where I couldn't get a range I'd press. it wouldn't go and I had full draw press.

it won't go press It won't go. Press it. Finally. But when it does work, you get. this like a red dot. You get a clear. screen and on that screen is a red dot. No pins, no wires, no nothing. And. >> oh, I loved it. >> Would it work perfect? Because then say. if you hit an elk at 50 yards and then. he he's stands out at 80 and he's still. standing broadside. You don't have to. rearrange. You just press a button on. your on your grip and it instantly gives. you a new range.

>> Yeah. I think I I we talked about this. before and I think I mentioned that the. goal is to try to protect the integrity. of archery like keeping it primitive. So. it's like where's that line? In Utah in. Utah they decided that that that Garmin. site was past the line of primitive you. know. So we want to we want to honor. archery and the history of archery and. yes there's been advancements but it's. always it's a it's a moving target on. where the line is to keep it primitive. >> I get it. But if you've ever I don't.

think I think it's ignorant because I. think if you use one of those things you. realize like all it's doing is taking a. step away. It's still the same exact. thing. You're rangef finding either way. and then you're dialing to 50 yards and. whatever you know you have to do to. execute the shot then. But this way. you're a full draw and the rangef. finding is a part of that. It's just. smarter. If it worked perfectly, it's. smarter. And I think they're going to. get better. And I'm sure the software is. better. I haven't used it in two years.

>> But when it worked, it was amazing. It. was like, this is really what you want. What you want is to absolutely know the. exact distance so you can make an. ethical shot. So if you range at 50, then he takes a few steps and then. you're guessing because you can't. rerange. Look, we already have less than. 10% success rate anyway. It's not like. everyone who gets a tag is going to get. an elk. It's a small number of people. that are really successful all the time, but that would keep you from wounding.

and that should be our goal always. I. don't think it's I don't think it's any. easier. It's just more effective. >> Well, I think there's more room for. error in it though, isn't there? Because. like my binoculars are the rangefinder, so I can definitely get the dot 100% on. the animal, >> right? Whereas I think with those sites, it's a little bit more difficult to. definitely be ranging that animal and. not a branch five yards behind it or. five. >> Not when you're at full draw. No, they're really good. So when you're at. full draw, when when it worked at full.

draw, you're steady like your pin, right? So you you have a target and the. target is like this little red thing and. when you put it on there and then you. press the button, then it gives you your. pin. >> Like. >> Yeah, but what if you're not on it? What. if you're like Because you said it it. would eliminate wounding which it it. wouldn't. >> No. No. It's I didn't say to eliminate. wounding. If if I did, I misspoke. What. I meant was you're going to get less of. that because you're going to have more. effective exact ranges, >> right? But you said like if you needed a. follow-up shot, that's where people we.

know adrenaline goes crazy for sure. after the first shot. So, if they're. wound up and they're shooting too. quickly because that site allows it, >> would that could that be a negative? >> But it's a follow-up shot. And why are. you shooting too quickly? That's a ma. mind management thing. You know, you. should figure out how to manage your. mind and calm yourself down and and make. that shot. You wouldn't freak out on a. second shot if you had that, right? That's what I'm saying. And if you had. that and you 100% could count on it the. same way you count on your rangefinder,

>> that would be the best thing for. everybody. Best thing for the animal, best thing for you, best thing for. everybody. It's just a more and it's a. way better sight picture. The sight. picture is amazing. It's a red dot. It's. just like a red dot on a pistol, you. know, like a red dot on a pistol. That's. what it looks like. That dot is just. sitting there and you're not you just. can put it right on the vitals and it's. a beautiful feeling when you watch. through that range through that. rangefinding site and you you put that. pin on and then the arrow releases and. then you watch that arrow soar and boink.

right in there. Ooh, that's good. hunting. >> Oh, it's nice. >> I don't doubt that. You know, it's like. I'm just devil's advocate, but. >> I get it. Look, I'm a fan of like a. company that does something like that. I'm a fan of G I mean, I got a Garmin. watch on right now. I'm a fan of Garmin, period. They make awesome [ __ ] They. make awesome rangefinder. I mean, awesome uh GPS equipment. They make. awesome watches. They They make great. [ __ ] They make great the the chest. straps, the the workout things. They. make awesome stuff. So I I'm just happy. that someone put the research and.

development and the money that must have. taken to put together a [ __ ]. rangefinding binocular or rangefinding. um site rather that actually works. >> Yeah, I agree. I mean. >> I just want a better one. I want it. perfect. >> I want it like my like I have that one. of the things that I [ __ ] love. I. have a loophole full draw five. That's. my favorite rangefinder of all time. because it gives you the arc of the. arrow at its peak. That is so huge. And. I used it to kill a bull once because. and when I had that Garmin sight in fact.

cuz I had the Garmin sight and I ranged. this elk and it was at 50 yards but. there was a hole only like this where I. could shoot through and I was like oh I. don't know. So then I pull out the the. loophold and I hit the button and I see. the exact arc of the arrow where it's. going to be at its height and its height. was six inches below those branches. I'm. like we're good. >> Yeah, >> we're good. So just keep the pin on them. and was perfect. See that thing? Ah, [ __ ] love that thing.

>> That thing's so huge. So, you know. exactly right right there is a little. sketch, right? Because that could hit it. on the way in, right? So, that's the. height of your arrow, but that doesn't. mean where where's that tree? Like that. tree might be 20 yards ahead of you. You. might smack right into that [ __ ]. thing. So, you have to take that into. consideration. But having that extra. indication of the height, the high point. of the arrow. Huge. >> On this, you just take a step to the. left. >> Exactly. Then you or if you were me when. I was younger, you just shoot right. there. >> Shoot straight. >> or would you get on your knees?

[laughter]. >> Yeah. Get on your knees. >> Get on your knees and execute the shot. But it's like having that knowledge. What it's going to keep is that arrow. whacking that branch and then sticking. in his ass and wounding him. You know, whereas you might have made a perfect. release, but because of that high a high. point of the arrow indication, now you. know and you can make a more educated. decision. It's all about making the. ethical shot. And so for me, anything. that allows you, it's still going to be. really [ __ ] hard to do. It's always. hard. >> Here's here. Okay, so I'll just do a.

list real quick. The biggest help in bow. hunting has been the laser rangefinder. >> That that changed the game. Definitely. Um, >> now that was back in the day. Now. >> sight tapes. Now, well, some people. Yeah, some some people don't do well. with sight tapes in the heat of the. moment as far as dialing the sight, but. it can make it's made me more accurate. at longer range for sure to be able to. dial the sight and hold right on. >> Yeah. >> Right now, the So, the a positive has.

been OnX or the mapping system as far as. for hunting the mountains. That has. helped so many people and so much. confidence. >> Huge. >> Um, that's a giant one. And it's like. that's one reason why the back country. definitely has more people in it because. more people are confident. Used to be. like you used to have to read a 7.5. minute uh per angle uh too map. You. don't have to do that [ __ ] anymore. So. now and you don't have to figure out. where your car is anymore. You put the. you mark your car, you're good to go. That's been huge. There's a huge. negative not too many people are talking.

about and it's um it's uh using optics. with uh they pick up heat signature. Yeah. What are those called? >> Thermals. >> Thermals. Yeah, those dude. It's not. good for hunting. >> You don't So glassing is an art. We've. talked about glass and having good glass. movement. Glassing is an art. These. thermal optics, you don't have to be. good at anything. You [ __ ] predator. You put them up and it tells you where.

the animal is. So, I've never even used. one, but I've talked to guys who have. used them and I and I know that it's not. great because what would take hours to. glass and you probably would miss, you. know, a bedded mu deer buck 5 minutes. You know where every animal is on that. hill. >> That's a good argument. There's a good. argument that that's too far. >> That is that is way too far. And is that. legal in most states? >> It hasn't even hardly been covered. It's. kind of a new technology that they don't. even address really. But I'm saying. >> California is outlawed.

>> I hope so cuz it needs to be outlawed. everywhere. >> It's it's a good point. >> So many big animals are getting killed. that shouldn't be getting killed right. now by guys using thermals. And is it a. loophole or are they doing it when they. shouldn't be doing it in some states? Or. is it cuz to catch people is tough. You. know, hunting is about honor. Honor and. respect. It's what we talk about. We. police ourselves. We do it right. You. know, I mean, yeah, there's people who. get busted for doing [ __ ] but most. people are just out there policing. ourselves. >> Well, it's because they want that same.

respect. >> that you talked about it. >> What's Holiday's first name again? >> Cal. >> Cal. >> Yeah. >> When you talk about that guy, they want. you to talk about Every man wants you to. talk about that him when he's not around. like that. And they're not going to if. you're cutting corners and and you're. using some [ __ ] you're not supposed to. use. What is that? What is the law on. that though? Cuz like every state has. different laws, right? Like Nevada, you're allowed to use walkie-talkies and. at least you used to be able to where. you can tell people, hey, he's right. above you.

>> It's a little bit probably like the. ebike thing where it's so fresh that. they haven't come up with you can or you. can't right now. It's a bicycle. No, it's not. It's a motorcycle. >> It's optics. No, it's not. It's. thermals, >> right? >> Yeah. >> What Let's see what the laws are. Put. Put that into perplexity. What are the. laws? What states allow thermal. binoculars for hunting? >> Thermal scopes are not universally. allowed for hunting. Yeah, but not. thermal scopes. Um, thermal binoculars. >> Yeah. >> Does it say thermal?

>> It says thermal optics down below right. there. In Europe, owning thermal optics. is often. >> Yeah, but what about in America? What in. America, what states allow thermal. binoculars for hunting? Put that in. there. >> Not scopes. That's the problem. It's the. word scope is for a rifle scope. Binoculars. Let's see. How crazy is this AI where it just does. this and immediately gives you the. answer? Thermal imaging devices,

including binoculars and moninoculars, are legal to own in the United States. And many states allow them in some. hunting context, especially predators or. nuisance species like hogs or coyotes. However, several states either. completely ban thermal for any hunting. or ban profession possession rather uh. use of thermal devices while taking or. locating wildlife. So, examples of state. rules, some states explicitly allow. thermal optics for night hunting. For. example, Texas, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Missouri. authorize thermal devices for specific.

predator or invasive species hunts in. their 2025 regulations. Other states. such as uh Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Tennessee prohibit thermoptics. for hunting wildlife altogether or for. most game species. >> Yeah. So, a lot of states. So, it seems. like a few states are on the ball with. this. >> Yeah. I mean, it's it's a big deal. because those those animals to to get to. trophy status for these animals, they're. old. You know, they've survived. They. know what it takes. They've they've done.

it. They've they've outwitted hunters. for years. And now in their best bed. where a a man would never be able to. find them by glassing those. >> they're behind a tree but showing out. the tree. It's like. >> it's not it's not hunting. It's not. right. It's not use it's not the art of. glassing which is what you know how. we've developed these skills. It's. >> using technology. >> That makes sense. It makes sense because. it's like you're you're saying there is. a line. Yeah. you know, and that you you. are actively campaigning for something.

that's going to make your job easier to. go away. >> Yeah. I wanted to I wanted to keep keep. the challenge there. >> Well, it's also what you said when you. like you said in the town you grew up, if you killed a big buck, like people. respected you. Why? Because that's. really hard to do. >> Yeah. >> Those big old bucks are [ __ ] smart. and they are tuned in, man. They hear. branch snap and it's like, "Fuck this.". Boing. >> They're that big for a reason. >> They're that big for Yeah. It's a and I. I know in in Utah I was going down this.

creek u this year and I saw like there's. some uh there's some cedar trees like a. kind of a patch of them there but uh. basically there's a tunnel in there and. then a deer bed and like you couldn't. see it from anywhere and I was thinking. man if a buck was bedded there you'd. have no idea right and but you would now. if you had the thermal optics and that's. like that was a perfect example of a. buck that found that bed. >> that's where he's safe and that's how we. survived now that that. >> taking that away. >> Taking that away. That's.

>> There's probably trad guys listening to. this podcast, though. I'm being like, I. know, right? >> [ __ ] off you. >> For people that don't know what that. means, [laughter] tradies are guys who. hunt with a regular old school bow and. arrow, like a recurve bow, which is a. good challenge. >> They're just guessing where that arrow. is going to go, [laughter]. >> you know? >> Well, hopefully they practice. >> Oh, yeah. They practice, but there is a. lot of guessing. You're guessing the. yardage. You're guessing where your. arrow's going to hit, you know? I mean, some of those guys that tread boat hunt, do they use rangefinders?

>> No. >> None of them. So, all of them are just. guessing. >> It's instinct. >> I try and do a couple of tread boat. >> Instinct, is it? Cuz it's like when you. throw a rock, is that guessing? No, it's. instinct, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. It's just like to get. good at pitching a baseball, right? You. know, I mean, it's the same. Some people. are really good, >> except the pitcher's mound and the. batter's box the same distance every. time. That's true. >> Yeah, that's the difference. Well, if. you're disciplined, you would know that. it's under 20 yards every time and. that's all you'd take. >> Yeah. But there's a lot of guys that can. take a poke with a recurve bow. Yeah.

>> You know, and they're pretty accurate. with it. Like they have some different. ways of measuring like where the tip of. it is at 40 yards. They know that that's. when it's going to hit dead on. Yeah. >> They look down the arrow instead of like. we do through a a people. They're. looking down the shaft of the arrow. They look all squirly and [ __ ] like. this. Some people they put it on their eye or. they put it here and they use the the. point of the arrow as you said. >> But yeah, it's like. >> most people though like you talk about. discipline like I'm going to shoot if.

it's 20 yards or less. That's the only. time I'm going to shoot. Unless it's. huge [laughter]. window. once in a lifetime. >> It was the biggest thing I've ever seen. I had to shoot. [laughter]. >> Sometimes you think you see things and. you're like, how do I get to that? >> How do I find him? Even if it's far. away. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Normally like you see stuff. >> Here's would be the technology that. would really hurt because you see. something a mile away and you know that. animal's there. If I could just get to.

that tree line if you could just be. there. >> Yeah. >> Well, that's where those long range. rifle guys, that's a whole different. argument, right? Some of those guys, they'll take a poke 7 900 yards, >> you know, and they're real accurate with. it. >> These guys are so good. Like they're. shooting. Yeah. And that's that's a. whole another thing. >> They're taking into account the wind. across the canyon. And. >> I saw this guy. I'm pretty sure the. other Tanner was showing me this cuz you. know, so much waste of time [ __ ] on.

Instagram. But this was kind of cool. He. was shooting so far and he's so good. So. he's prone down, had his long range, all. his [ __ ] all everything they do. It's. that's a whole art. But anyway, he shot. and I think he was, if I remember right, he shot and it was so far he put another. shell in, got another bullet on the way. They both hit steel. [laughter]. >> That's crazy. >> They both hit steel. >> At least it was, not like some He racked. another round in in the time it took for.

the bullet to get there. >> Yes. And and sent the other one on the. way. And so it was like a dong dong. >> That's crazy. Yeah, guy. This guy's a. machine though. I wish I could remember. the [ __ ] page, but guy's a machine. cuz you can see he's down in his gun. just like [ __ ] in and still on that. scope. Didn't even move. Boom. >> That's a whole another art form, you. know? That's a whole another keeping. your [ __ ] together. Crazy long range. shooting. I know a lot of guys that get. into My friend Justin got really into.

that. Once you get into long range. shooting, you start just [ __ ] craving. it. They just want to like hit that. steel at 1,500 yards. >> It's nuts. Some of these guys, they. shoot insane. Like what is the record. for the longest shot ever taken in a. competition? Like those long range. competitions. What do you think it is? >> Uh I mean it's 2,000 yards for sure. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> That's so crazy. >> I would think that people are shooting. at 2,000.

>> I'll have a crack. >> Yeah, you. >> 2.4 miles. >> Wow. >> Wait, really? >> Did I say yard? What did I mean? Did I. mean yards? Yeah. Many yards. >> He almost nailed it. >> What is it? >> T. >> actually. Yeah. 2.4 miles. >> Yeah. >> Wow. Look. How did you guys You. [ __ ] You nailed it. >> You looked that up somehow. >> How could he know? He lives in. Australia. They're not allowed to know. this information. >> I don't even know where Miles is. >> If you even search this online, the. police show up at your door. [laughter]. >> Holy smokes. >> 4,224.

yard shot. >> at the Clark. This guy was Robert. Brantley at the Clark's Knob ELR match. in Kansas described as a new world. record in long range shooting achieved. under match conditions. That's. incredible. That is so crazy. >> Non-competition almost double. >> Look at that. >> My god. In 2022 in Wyoming, a team. recorded a 4.4 mile 7,744. yard hit on steel after dozens of tries. [laughter].

Whoa. >> Wow. But not a standard scored. competition stage. Wow. >> The problem is guys see that like 4.4. miles, they're like, "Oh, I could shoot. at 1,000 yards then.". >> Right. Look at that thing. >> They never [ __ ] practice. >> Good lord. [laughter] Yeah. These guy I. mean the amount of no moving you have to. have. >> Oh my god, dude. >> It's crazy. >> But yeah, the guy out there with their. Bart 30 sick. Do they you got you guys. have barts here? >> You ever heard of Bart? What's a buyart?

>> It's a store. >> Oh, no. >> Like a sporting goods store. Buy or not. a sporting goods, but anyway, like they. got their, you know, $250 rifle from. Bart 306 and they're like, they see that. and they're like, "Oh, [ __ ] Then I. could shoot at 600 yards. They shoot at. 4.4 miles. [laughter] That's the. problem. >> That is part of the problem.". >> But people say that about me, too. It's. like, "Oh, people will say I always talk. about shooting animals at 100 yards,". which I have never one time. But yeah, I. practice at long range, but they try to.

lump me in like I'm I'm ruining and. promoting long range shooting. >> No, you're just amplifying if you're off. at all or, you know, or it's good. practice. >> Yeah. No, it's great. I What I always. said is. >> rifle for the 4.4 miles. >> [ __ ] are heavy, too. >> Oh, yeah. Look at it. I mean, it looks. like a It's a long bow. It just needs a. string on the. >> like a barbell. >> It's probably I mean, I bet it's 30 40. lbs. I don't know. Does it say the. weight on those things? Yeah. Look at. the size of that gun. Look at the barrel.

in that thing. That's nuts. >> Yeah. >> First confirmed and verified world. record. >> Yeah. >> This isn't the actual one. This is 2018. That shot was taken in 2022. >> Oh, so is it a This is a a world record. before the world record. >> Wow. >> Like I'd get AIDS if I touched a gun. >> I know those guns are heavy. >> That's what the government tells you. You [laughter] get AIDS. >> The Australian government. >> You don't want to touch a gun. You might. get AIDS. which is exactly what we. sampled. >> It's only if you stick it up your ass, I. [laughter] guess. >> No, you got to stick it up your ass.

after somebody's stuck it up their ass. >> Oh, right. >> Yeah. You got to get a second. It's like. dirty needles. >> I hate when that happens. [laughter]. >> Yeah. It's uh But. >> that's another thing. It's like, you. know, like the bow hunters look at rifle. hunters like, "Oh, that's kind of easy.". Traditional hunters look at compound. hunters like, "Oh, that's easy." And. then there's guys out there, I use a. [ __ ] spear. You know, [laughter]. >> each to their own, too. Yeah. Yeah, for. sure. As long as you're ethical. As long. as you could do it. I mean, I'm sure. there's probably some guy out there that.

knows how to hit a target with an. addaladdle, >> you know? >> Probably. I mean, I if I'm using a. spear, I don't do anything past three. yards. [laughter]. That's like just. >> I speared a buffalo view ago. It's. pretty cool. >> And did you really? Oh god. Probably. edit that out. [laughter]. >> We were trying to figure out I'm just. kidding. I'm just kidding. We were. trying to figure out uh the other day. like when the actual bow and arrow was. invented and it's kind of difficult to.

track down but it see the weird thing is. it seems to have been invented or at. least seems to exist simultaneously at. many spots all over the world at the. same time which is really interesting. >> it it makes you think like I wonder we. really don't know how much people were. traveling back then we really don't. there's a lot of guessing and they keep. pushing back maritime travel. They keep. pushing back like the age of what when. the first maybe even primitive humans.

were using some sort of a raft to get. across lakes and rivers and and maybe. even oceans. But you know sharing that. information like who is the wizard that. looked at a stick and goes if I can just. put one of these [ __ ] things on the. end of that stick cool and pull that's a. real one. >> Why do you have that? >> Huh? >> I always have that. It's always sitting. right here. Oh, I thought you had it in. your pocket. >> I did cuz [laughter] I put it in my. pocket sometimes when I'm. >> fiddling with it. >> Yeah, I play with that thing. That's a. real one. That's from here.

>> Whoa. That's a [ __ ] good one. >> I found one in New Mexico. >> Yeah, that's a good one. Right. Remy. said that one was probably used for. fish. He said cuz it's so big. >> Okay, >> that was his guess. >> Huh. >> But maybe it might have been used for. bison. >> Sort of. >> It's I mean it's not I mean it would cut. some. I mean it's sort of sharp. >> Yeah. I mean, as sharp as you can get. it. >> Oh, that's cool, though. >> It's not like modern broadheads. Modern. broadheads you can shave your arm with, you know? >> They cut your eyes when you look at them. too hard, >> bro. Yeah. But that's what you want. You.

know, it's that's the other thing. Like, is that too Is that too good? Is that. too easy? Maybe we should go back to. Flint. [laughter]. >> Go back. >> Maybe you should make your own. arrowheads, [ __ ]. >> No, I There was. >> I'm like aiding. [laughter]. >> Yeah. There's a guy that uh I Oh, he. went to high school with, but he's he. would say his dad would um like shoot. his arrows down the road to make them he. would like want to make the do broadhead. duller so it'd go in and rip a bigger.

hole. >> What? [laughter]. >> So, it's like that's how he thought. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh, boy. >> So, anyway, people come up with some. crazy [ __ ] Well, if they don't know, that's the one of the things that's cool. about when I got into bow hunting and. especially learning it from you. I. already knew. >> so much just from talking to you. You. you had so much information. I didn't. have to like figure it out nearly as. much. I just had to listen, you know, like so many people have already figured. out metal broadheads. So, like we were. having a conversation about lighted. knocks this weekend and I'm like, damn.

it, I think I'm going to stop using. lighted knocks. >> Yeah, sorry. >> The weight on the No, I think you got a. really good point. like that additional. 10 grains at the end can't be good for. accuracy. It just can't be. >> I think you got to pick the situation. though and it's a little bit, you know, like if I'm going to the Arctic and. there's no sunlight and I want to see. where the arrow hits. Okay, a lighted. knock's going to override the little bit. of inconsistency. >> because it's a dull environment. It's. hard to see. It's almost like you're. dusk all day long. >> Yeah. And I think like hunting pigs in.

their beds, you know, you're under the. trees, it's dark. It might come into. play a little bit more there. But if. it's not required, then yeah, why why. interrupt even a little bit of accuracy. because you get to a certain point in. bow hunting where we're talking about. the arrow shafts. The the better the. match grade of arrow shafts you can use. You don't notice that to start with. because you're just shooting, you know, and you're not super consistent. You're. not super accurate. And then all those. little things end up bringing a group. from that to that. And there's the.

difference. And you'll notice that at. this point in your archery, you know. >> Yeah, it makes sense. It totally makes. sense. But it's just again, thank God. somebody figured all this stuff out cuz. [laughter] like if you had to come along. and do it all by yourself like. >> it was a hard learning curve like in. Australia that like we didn't have the. the sort of figures and probably. knowledge that you guys did because it's. like it's part of your pastime, right? I. was talking to Evan about this. It's. like part of the American pastime, a a.

bow hunter, whereas in Australia, it's. not, you know, and it's not there's not. all the information out there. And it. seemed like Australia was probably about. 10 years behind the US on sites, release. aids, the knowledge behind it. Um, and. yeah, I I I think the fact that you guys. have, like we were talking about Fred. Bear, you know, like paving the way for. bow hunting in America and, you know, Australia's had its its um, idols as.

well and people that have paved the way. but a lot slower than here. um to have. all the knowledge for you to have. someone like Cam is absolutely brilliant. because you are you've probably made. those mistakes yourself or learn them. yourself and then so you go straight to. Joe and be like this is a good setup. this works this doesn't. >> and then in Australia the first things I. sold were target sites for bow hunting. you know and it's just like and we. didn't know any better so as well as. wasting time you wasted a lot of money.

you wasted a lot of effort you wasted a. lot of heartache you know on finding. your way in bow hunting. >> Yeah. >> And there's still guys right now that. shoot instinctual with a compound. >> Yeah. There it's it's uh the internet. has definitely helped like educate. people. You know, we used to have to. learn it all on our own which is like I. think to Adam's point where it's nice. when you have a a resource or a mentor. A lot of the times we didn't have that. We had magazines. We didn't have. internet. So we just have to figure it. out. But, uh, when we talk about like.

the lighted knots, lighted knocks. specifically, you mentioned the weight. The weight is one part, but it's also. the inconsistency of having those. electronics back there on the back of. the arrow. And you just can't get as. good as a knock or so, that's the. connection point from the arrow to the. string. It's just not going to be as. good with electronics in there with it's. trying to serve a different purpose of. lighting up that knock where to in my. opinion that's going to help me maybe. decide on when to go after the animal.

knowing where I hit it, but it's not. going to make me any more lethal. It's. going to make me less lethal. >> I want the most accurate arrow possible. And where that goes, whether I see it or. not, doesn't really matter. I'm going to. have to get on that blood trail and. recover that animal regardless. So just. knowing where the arrow hit isn't making. it any more deadly or not. You know, it's just how that might impact how I. react to that shot. But I want the most. accurate. That's why I shoot those, you.

know, the X10s, $50 an arrow because. it's the straightest, most accurate. arrow. It's what they've used in the. Olympics since 1996. So you can use. other arrows. They're not as straight, not as good. You can put lighted knocks. on. you're giving up accuracy. You can. do it if you want and you can say it's. going to help in these other arenas. It's not going to help with accuracy. >> So, all I care about is that arrow going. where I want it to go. That's how I look. at things. >> Point. It's the most important.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It makes sense. It makes sense. >> And the amount of times where the. lighted knock would help you is dwarfed. in comparison to the amount of times. where accuracy is critical. >> Right. >> Right. Accuracy is always critical. Right. And there's only a small amount. of times where that lighted knock is. really going to come into play where it. really helps you. >> That's what I I mean it's cool and it's. nice and it looks I've never used one so. I mean I look over the air I have you I. guess I have a few times but uh I just.

was like just thinking about it like no. I it's not helping me. >> I always think about it when I take the. the regular knocks off and put the light. ones on like the regular knocks are. solid. >> Yeah. the in the lighted ones. There's a. hole in the center of it where you've. got electronics and a light bulb and a. battery. >> I know. >> Like there's a bunch of [ __ ] in there. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> That that has got to it has to have some. sort of an effect, >> right? Yeah. >> Didn't Tom Miranda used to have. something where he had a weight on the. back of his arrow? Didn't he have. something crazy? Some weird setup where.

he had a. >> not the breadcrumb like the tracker? >> I don't remember what he had. No, it. wasn't that. It was like a thing that he. did to the back of his arrow. was like, "That seems counterintuitive." Well, he. had additional weight on the back. I. don't know what I'm talking about. I. can't remember. >> I don't know. But Tom Miranda, that's. old school. So, you're looking at I. mean, he's still out there getting it. done. But that's I mean, that's history. Is that who we were talking about the. other day. >> with the the Tom Miranda? >> Oh, he's had those TV shows on forever. >> Adventure bow hunting with Tom Miranda.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I went all over the world. Okay. Yeah. Getting around the world. hunting, >> bro. That guy went all over the world. hunting. All over the world. He was one. of the first guys that ever uh heard. about using a sauna to to help his. hunting. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he felt like cuz he. was living in Florida and the guy was. like, "Why do you want a sauna in your. house? You're in Florida." And he's. like, "Cuz it makes you have more. endurance.". >> Yeah, for sure. >> It's better for hunting. I didn't know. That's cool. >> Yeah. Is it pretty cool? Like Tom. Miranda. >> old school. Okay.

>> It's cool to introduce all that stuff. into hunting. Like if you're that. passionate, >> you know, I did I got the ice bath at. home. I did the hypoxic wellness. >> which is um I think I was telling Joe. about this. >> where I decked the home gym out. Um so. it's basically a gym at Altitude now. And that's what I was using before I got. to Utah. And it actually made me be able. to go from the bottom of the mountain to. the top without stopping to take a. breath. >> which is incredible. So, uh, >> so it's altitude training.

>> It's altitude. >> A tent or. >> No, it's the whole room. So, but this a. company called Leonx. Now, they make say. it could be the size of this and it. would have red light therapy in here. It. would have a sauna in here. It would. have the hypoxy conditioning in here. So, basically pumping nitrogen into the. room to drop the oxygen levels. >> Um, and so you could have gym equipment. in here. You could sit in here and read. a book. But the way that I've got it set. out, I'm doing a workout in it now and. I've got a target in the corner. I. literally shoot my bow in there at like.

14,500 feet. >> And then to step out of that and like I. live at sea level back in Australia. To. step out of that at sea level like you. feel. >> Oh, I bet. >> Absolutely incredible. >> Yeah, I bet. >> So, and then that's So, what was Utah? 8,000. >> sometimes. Seven something. >> Seven or 8,000 ft. And I'd be. >> n at the highest. >> Okay. and I'd be training at 14,500. >> So I I felt amazing when I went there. >> Yeah, >> it was awesome. >> Technology. >> Technology.

>> that is that is useful because I mean. that's what athletes do. They go to. train high altitude training in the. mountains and then they come down to. lower elevation where there's more more. oxygen and there's more oxygen available. to push themselves harder. >> So their body's used to that. It created. more red blood cells essentially. I. think it's like a a natural I think. that's what EPO they say does. So it's a. natural way to do that. And uh yeah I. mean so. >> it just doesn't stay very long. It it. Yeah. Only stays in your system like. your your system eventually acclimates.

to whatever the altitude is. But. [clears throat] before it does that you. have a nice advantage. Like there's. that's why they. >> time is. >> I think it's like a couple weeks. >> Okay. >> Um I think that's why they probably put. the Olympic training center in Colorado. Springs. >> You know they wanted these people to. train it. It totally makes sense. Yeah, totally makes sense. Train at altitude. >> I found mentally I felt a lot better. too. >> And then so now I've done a bit of. reading up on it and it's like the. plasticity of the brain improves under. those conditions as well. And then.

>> makes sense. Adapt or or die. >> Yeah. I just feel so happy afterwards. I. was sleeping in there in the end cuz I. was trying to fit in as much which can. be detrimental as well. like you don't. want to overdo it, >> but I was sleeping in there in the end. >> and I'd wake up in the morning and I was. just like on a high for like four or. five hours. >> Why Why would they say not to overdo it? Because when they go train at altitude, they're up there the whole time. >> just to get acclimated. I I bet. initially don't overdo it initially. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. And I also think that a part of.

the you know, it'd be like overdoing. your muscles if you just kept doing arms. every single day, you know? >> That's what he does. you [laughter]. and legs. Just kidding. >> You can't help it, can you? Oh, bloody. god. >> They That bike that you sent me is. [ __ ] awesome, by the way. >> I I love the, you know, the Airdine. bikes. I love those things. It's like my. favorite conditioning thing. And I love. the Echo bike from Rogue, but I think. that one's even superior to the bike. How consistent the the drag is on it as.

you're. >> But even more importantly, it's harder. Yeah. Yeah, it's harder to pull back. Like the Echo Bike is easier to pull. back. That one has more resistance. And. when I when I first started using that. one, I was like, "Wo, this one's tough.". Like whatever you're getting out of the. Echo Bike or the Airdine bike, that's. that times two. >> Really? Yeah. >> What is it called again? >> Step. >> Step. It's STPR, right? Yeah. That thing. [ __ ] rules. >> That thing rules. >> I'll get him the deck out cuz all their. equipment's like that. Well, that that.

bike is the [ __ ] because and it's also. got different grips, different hand. grips and different seats. >> I'm changing that up. I'm at the top. I'm down here. >> You can mix it up. You can mix up where. the resistance is coming from. >> And I actually lift the seat right up. So, it's nearly like I'm in the standing. position. >> like this. >> Oh, nice. >> With the seat up and the legs are right. down and it it burns me. >> Absolutely burns me. I love it. >> Yeah. It's a it's a great low impact. cardio, too. I mean, it really. conditions the [ __ ] out of your legs and. your lungs and it's, you know, you're.

not taking any pounding while you're. doing it. >> That thing's hard. >> I'm stoked you like it. >> Oh, I love it. Yeah, because when it was. in there, I didn't know when it got had. gotten delivered and I was like, "Oh, what the [ __ ] is this?" And then when. when it was in the gym, I started trying. the moment I got on, I was like, "Oh.". >> And it's easy to crank up, too. Like, it's right there. There's no reaching. down. The handle's right there. Just. >> woo. It's good. >> There's so many different things you. could use now. what you what were you saying about. earlier? It's like you you have the. opportunity now to be better than you've. ever been before.

>> because of all this, >> you know, hormone optimization, the ways. to well stuff, peptides, nutrition, understanding exercise science, and then. equipment. >> is you could condition your body and you. could be in amazing shape at 58, which. is crazy. >> The knowledge of knowing that's actually. out there is I'm grateful for. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Just the knowledge and knowing. that we can be better every day. We can. be healthier physically and mentally. It's great. >> And I see I do see a lot of doctors who.

kind of [ __ ] on BPC or [ __ ] on stem. cells and I'm like. I whatever you're saying, cool. But I've. never felt better. So. >> there's a lot of doctors hate the pro. >> You could say it doesn't work. >> Yeah. >> There's a lot of doctors. I've talked to. doctors that [ __ ] on it. And I had this. one conversation with a doctor that is I. like he's a nice guy and he's like I. think it's a lot of placebo and I go. there's peer-reviewed studies on BPC57. like you're saying this and you haven't. done the research like this is not.

debatable like BPC57 it's a there's a. very clear pathway they show why it. works. >> it's it naturally exists in the human. body and you can enhance your body's. ability to recover from soft tissue. injuries. It's important. It's good. It's good for you. Like the idea that. somehow or another this is horseshit. like no you're horseshit. Yeah, you're. spitting out some nonsense. And the. problem is a lot of doctors in. particular, a lot of very educated. people that are specialists in whatever. they're in like, you know, you got a. doctor, you went to school, you got a uh. rather you got a medical degree, you.

went to school, you did your residency. You want to be the one who has all the. information. When someone comes along. and says actually a better way to do it. is through stem cells. Like stem cells. Yeah. >> Like what what do you mean oh stem. cells? How much do you know? There's. Neil re neil rearen has written many. papers on stem cells like there's a. documented efficacy on neurological. conditions soft tissue injuries joint. rehabilitation it's not guessing like. for for a doctor to say. >> I wouldn't mess with stem cells it's.

unproven the FDA hasn't approved it it's. because the FDA sucks it doesn't mean. that it doesn't work like there's. scientists that are studying this stuff. and there there's people that are using. it you got [ __ ] tons of anecdotal. evidence from world class ath athletes. that'll tell you the benefits of it. There's a reason why the UFC is. partnered up with CPI down in in Mexico, but they have to go to [ __ ] Mexico to. do this stuff, >> you know, which is crazy here and. available. >> Yeah. But Waste to Wells, Brighgam in. particular is really working hard to. make all that stuff available in the.

United States. And and it's only good. It's good for everybody. It's not bad. for medicine. People are always going to. need doctors. It's crazy. It's just more. advancement. And the problem is it's. going to for sure it's going to. interfere with people want to sell you. pain pills. It's going to interfere with. people that want to do unnecessary. surgeries. Yeah. And there unfortunately. that's a real thing. >> It's where they make their their money. And people like to say that well it's. not FDA approved. And I'm like.

>> have you seen the [ __ ] that is FDA. approved? >> It's like that that doesn't mean. anything to me. I might not want to take. it if it is. something like 30% of all. medications that get approved by the FDA. get pulled. >> Yeah. It's just like that doesn't mean. [ __ ] to me because. >> what is the percentage? Find out. Put. that in there. >> You look at all the [ __ ] poisonous. food they sell us which is FDA approved. I'm like so that's your argument. >> and not approved in other countries. Yeah. >> Like other countries have banned it, outlawed it. And we're like fine, that's. fine. It makes your Cheerios a different. >> saying the difference in ingredients.

between countries. And it's like America. has so. >> Cheerios is a bad example. Froot Loops. is the best example. Like the fact that. like they were like, "Oh, we can't do. that." Well, you do it in Canada. You. sell the [ __ ] the same stuff with. different dye, with natural dyes. >> Yeah. It's not as bright, but it also. doesn't kill you. >> It's not poison. It's just so gross. >> I know. >> They just they're so bought and paid. for. And here's the real problem. A lot. of these [ __ ] they go from. being working at the FDA to cushy jobs. in these major corporations. It's like.

they have this golden parachute set. 100%. 2.9% of FDA approved new drugs from 1980. to 2021 were withdrawn specifically for. safety reasons. Out of 1,310. total approvals were 210. 16% were. discontinued for overall various reasons. including marketing factors. It's that. low. I thought it was higher than that. >> Yeah. But look at down below where it. says antibiotics face higher rates at. 41%. >> Whoa. Okay. So all told, I wonder what.

the pharmaceutical drugs that get pulled. are. >> Yeah. And. >> antibiotics, 41% is nuts. >> Yeah. Well, and 23% of oncology. I mean, >> indications withdrawn. Wow. >> It's like, what the [ __ ] What I mean, we're just like guessing on this [ __ ]. >> Well, it's not guessing. It's like the. one of the problems with some of these. studies is they're getting information. from the pharmaceutical drug companies. themselves. Like I I had this lawyer on. that was explaining to me how he. litigated a case against pharmaceutical. drug companies and that one of the. issues that they found was that these.

guys would run 10 tests and they would. find no efficacy. But so they would rig. a test in a very biased way to show the. smallest amount of statistical. significance and then they would say. it's statistically significant and they. would push that and their only. motivation was profit. They weren't. saying this is going to cure cancer, this is going to stop blindness. No, it's like we can make money on this. Yeah. >> And there's even one of the cases with. Vio where there was emails exchanged. with the pharmaceutical drug companies.

talking about all the problems that it. was going to cause, but we think we will. do well with this. >> Yeah. >> Which is crazy. >> I remember we looked that one up before. It's like uh it's Yeah. I mean, it's. nuts how this uh this medicine stuff. works, but it's like there's still like. with COVID vaccine still things coming. out. I saw last night on TV about in a. in a small number of cases, it can cause. heart sum or whatever the [ __ ] But you. we we've seen a number of these.

announcements like all these finally. this negative stuff about the vaccine. Did it do any positive? Probably not. But all this [ __ ] negative and that. was just coming out years later. >> And we were bombarded with propaganda. that it was necessary to stay alive. Yeah, >> like there was one I think it was the. Atlantic that had one headline that. said, "If you're unvaccinated, it might. be time to make your end of life will.". [laughter]. And then the same same magazine years.

later, COVID vaccines may cause heart. damage. Same exact magazine. >> [ __ ] you. >> Yeah. Because you guys only said that. because you were being pressured by your. advertisers or you were being pressured. by culture or society. You didn't look. at the history of pharmaceutical. medication and how much they're full of. [ __ ] They've paid some of the biggest. criminal fines in US history because. they [ __ ] lied. And the same. companies are still selling you [ __ ]. You think they they came to Jesus? Do. you think they're they're different now.

and they don't just try to make money? >> Yeah. And if you question that, you're a. conspiracy theorist and a cook and. you're taking horse medication. Like how. f it's [ __ ] it's so infuriating how. many people buy into stuff, right? >> And how they don't even get in trouble. for lying to everybody for so long for. years. Just lies and propaganda. Face no. recourse. Not not not financial, not. social, not reputational, no recourse. >> That's disgusting. I'm still I'm still.

waiting for Fouchy to be strung up at. some point. >> He can't be. He got a bar a giant pardon. by the autopen. [laughter]. >> Well, but what's what's so frustrating. too is that so they basically said, "Hey, you have to take this poison or. you're going to lose your job.". >> Yeah. >> Or you won't be able to do this or you. won't be able to do that. So, take this. poison. >> But then something that we've shown. works, stem cell, BPC, that's what. they'll [ __ ] on. It's just like what? They're just worried about losing. control and they're worried about losing.

profits and they're worried about. compounding pharmacies making this stuff. and they want peptides. They want all. this stuff, but they want to be able to. market it only under their brand. They. want to own it, you know? They want to. have patents for all this stuff. And. that's where the real problem comes. A. lot of these really effective things. they they can't patent, >> right? It's a Yeah. All tied to the. money. I have a code for peptides that. weighs 12. I wish I could remember it. Somebody could [laughter] somebody could. use it. Um, is it CA am? >> It's probably dumb. [ __ ] [laughter].

>> Dumb [ __ ]. >> You don't know what your code is? >> No. >> Really? Shall Brigham. Let's end this. podcast. Well, >> he [laughter] might not. I don't want to. bother him. We'll figure it out. Figure. it out, [ __ ]. >> I'll put it on. >> Cam will put it on his Instagram. >> On my Instagram story. I won't put it on. a actual post. It's not that important. >> Okay. Well, put [laughter] it on. whatever. Do whatever the [ __ ] you want. to do. I don't care. >> Well, okay. So, here's what I wanted to. end the podcast with. What's one thing. you learned this season bow hunting? Oh, >> or wait, is this my call to how we end. it?

>> Yeah, you can do it. You can do it. You. run the show. >> What I learned this season? Um, >> oh, I always learn one thing every year. How important leg conditioning is. >> So [ __ ] important. God is what maybe. the mo especially elk hunting. It is the. most important thing. Leg conditioning. is [ __ ] everything. If you can't get. up those mountains and and be fit and. and be able to do it over and over and. over again over like five days of miles. and miles and miles, like no matter what. I did, I need to do more. That's what I. I learned that for sure. That's a big.

one. And. >> you can never be in too good a shape. >> Never be in too good shape. Never be in. too never have your legs conditioned. enough. And. >> you can over practice archery. I learned. that too cuz I started developing this. low back problem that I've been going to. this trigger point massage. I told I. went today. Oh my god. I get so scared. every time I go into this guy's office. He [ __ ] tortures me. It's horrible. It's especially when he does the IT band. with his [ __ ] knuckles and his elbow. It's horrible. But it's super effective. >> I I just I got essentially I got.

tendonitis in my lower back. >> Overuse injury. >> Just overuse. Cuz I'm pulling back an 80. lb bow a hundred times over and over and. over again days after days after day. And every time it would hurt, I would be. an idiot and I would go, "Ah, walk. through it.". >> And you're obsessive. It got bad. Yeah, I'm a little obsessive. It got bad. >> But that's why you're great at things, too. >> Yeah. There's a It's a double-edged. sword. You just But you got to learn, like you were talking about not. overdoing it in the. >> the hypoxic thing. You got to learn. And. I don't learn always, but I try to.

>> Mhm. >> I learned those things. >> Yeah. >> Those those are huge. Um. >> so So, okay. What are you going to do. for your legs then? >> Continue. Um not stopping with leg. conditioning ever until September. Okay. like the like there was a lot of times. one thing is waste wells helped me I got. a [ __ ] weird left knee uh but the. latest round of stem cells that I had. did real they did did a real improvement. like I really notice it and I'm pro. protecting it I'm not doing anything. stupid in the meantime you know like no.

jiu-jitsu like no getting heel hooked. nothing you nothing that's going to. aggravate it and just build up my. conditioning and maintain it over the. year that's that's a big one. >> Yeah, that's a good cam. >> Me? >> Yeah, it's Adam's turn. >> Oh, you go [laughter] last. >> I think um I learned a lot this season, but just like more about life than just. in a bow hunting scenario. But I think. the biggest thing that I took away from. it is health as in mental and physical.

and that you can always like step it up. and you can always be better. And I. think like I just, you know, like family. life, whatever excuses I can come up. with, you know, business and not having. the time to put in the extra, but. finding the extra time because of how. valuable it is and what the payoff in. that is, you know, being physically. healthy, makes it a lot easier to be. mentally healthy. >> Yeah. Because you went for a while where. you really didn't work out much.

>> I didn't. I just I I bow hunted a lot, you know, and I was on the tools a lot. like being in, you know, the building. game, >> but it's not that's different. It's a. different sort of health, you know, whereas in actually targeting, you know, losing weight, eating clean, you know, cuz it's not just about the gym. It's. like everything that else that goes with. it. So, I learned to eat a lot more. cleaner. Um, I started doing the hypoxic. wellness studio and I think a. combination of those things and seeing.

the payoff in 2 weeks, you know, not. talking months, it was like in two weeks. I could see a massive difference when. you lined everything up, eating healthy, that made the mountains a lot more. easier and a lot more enjoyable. I'm not. saying I did more of the mountains. I. think I only covered the same sort of. miles, >> but it was just a lot more enjoyable. And the that example that I kept saying. to you, like going from the bottom of. the mountain to the top without having. four or five breaks in between when. you're like [panting and gasps]. and hurting, it was just a lot more.

enjoyable. I'd stop, you know, and it. was just like I wasn't even taking deep. breaths. I was already scanning the. mountains for a bull, >> you know, and I think it just become a. lot more enjoyable. And then getting the. head space from that, too. Whether it's. from me feeling better, whether it's. from better plasticity of the mind, I. just overall I just felt a lot better, a. lot more connected, a lot more grateful. as well as in because you feel good. Yeah. >> So, it's easier to think of things more. and be more grateful.

>> I like that. That's uh Well, >> what I took from that is you said. climbing the mountain was more. enjoyable. To me, that means you're. going to make better decisions. Yes. you're going to be uh when you're. hunting, you know, because when we're. fatigued, there's this famous saying, fatigue makes cowards of us all, but it. also it it we make poor decisions when. we're fatigued. So, you being at a. higher level just physically allows you. to hunt better is what I always think. because we're not taking shortcuts. We're making better decisions. We're.

reading the animal better. We're instead. of like. >> looking for because we're gas so we. don't want to kick things. So, we're. looking at the ground more. instead our. heads up and we're reading the situation. better. So, it's just it it it results. in just better hunting. >> and you enjoy it more. But, um I love. that. Uh what I learned is that I think. I um I enjoy the success of others. And. this has been reinforced over the years, but this year specifically, I enjoy. being part of the success of others and.

taking others like new hunters and just. sharing our lifestyle with them and just. what what's important to me. And it and. it gives me a chance to share. When you. talk to somebody on the phone, you're. not like getting deep, but when you're. on a hunt, you get that opportunity. and. they're more I don't know if they have. to listen because they can't go anywhere. or it's just they're more uh interested. in in listening but it allows me to. really like share why nature in the. mountains and and what I do is important.

and it seems like it's re it really. resonates with people and it's just I. that has given me so much strength and. uh and. I I don't know I just and and purpose. it's just sharing our lifestyle with. others is That's what I've learned that. that drives me. >> You've been like that for a long time, too. Like that first buffalo hunt that. we went on back in Australia and you. killed a bull and it was like I was as. happy for you as if I killed it. And. then when I killed my bull, it might.

have been the last day. >> Like it was the same. It was all like. hugs and that was awesome. And I could. see it glowing in your face. You know. that you want you you relish in other. people's success as well. >> Gentlemen, this was awesome. >> Thank you. Always great to hang out with. you guys. >> It's a pleasure. >> Love you, too. >> All right. >> Bye, everybody. [music].