Joe Rogan Experience #2424 - Jelly Roll

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> I just really feel like. we might have a chance here to like. really help some people that were big. You know what I mean? Like that in this. pod we might have a chance to like. >> a million%. >> So, I brought a bunch of notes about. what I went through. So, don't don't. look at me like a super nerd today. But. I wanted to make sure I got my I want to. help people, dude. I just Man, I never.

thought I'd lose this weight. >> I like a dude with notes. >> Especially a dude who lost 300 [ __ ]. pounds. >> Let's go, baby. >> Let's go. Look at you, dude. >> Dude, I feel great. Yo, >> you should feel great. >> I [snorts] feel really, really good, dude. >> You're a totally do human being. >> It is, man. You know what's crazy? I I I. don't want to get super spiritual out. the gate, but I will because I think God. wants me to right now because you saying. that there's a scripture in the Bible. that says uh in Christ all things are a. new creation, which I thought was. interesting because it didn't talk about.

restoring the old. It says that in God we are a completely. new creation. You know what I mean? So. like I I was looking at it at first like. I'm restoring my heart. >> But then when you're saying that I'm. like, "No, I didn't restore my heart. I. got a whole new heart. This is a brand. new heart, Joe.". >> You know what I mean? Yeah, >> it might be cloaked as the old one, but. God touched it. It's a whole new heart, baby. It's a different heart. >> Every seven years, doesn't every cell in. your body get replaced by new cells? Isn't that what the number is? >> That's crazy. It happens a lot.

>> Throw that into our sponsor perplexity. and find out that's nonsense. But I. think that's true. I think that's what. happens. So, you do have a chance to be. a new human being. >> and think that it would happen on a holy. number like. >> it's a myth. Godamn it. >> [ __ ] Every seven years is a myth. Uh. different cell types have very different. lifespans and some last a lifetime. I. think neurons last a lifetime. Seven-year figure is a rough average. estimate of cell age. Oh, okay. So, it's. not a total myth, not a fixed cycle.

where everything is swapped out all at. once. Some tissues uh renew very fast. while others renew slowly or hardly at. all, which averages out to several years. if you look at all the cells together. So, intestinal lining cells renew every. two to five days. Wow. Stomach lining. turns over roughly every two to nine. days. Skin surface cells replace roughly. every few weeks. Um, liver cells are. typically renewed on time scales of many. months to up to a few years. Bone cells.

take up to a decade to fully remodel the. skeleton. Muscles and cells anyway, cells are. changing all the time. >> God, it's crazy all the time. It's. constantly renewing, baby. >> Yeah. >> Feels good, man. A whole different. human. I We were talking about it. When. I first came to your club, I couldn't. even walk all the way up the steps. without stopping like every seventh. step. And today was my um me and Cam did. my first 10K yesterday. We did a little. bit over. We did 65. So today was. recovery run day. I did two and a half. miles. Just having a conversation with. you while you're swinging kettle bells. I was like, "Look at who I am. I'm Joe.

I'm an older guy.". >> Yeah. Just chilling doing two and a half. miles on a treadmill. Just watching the. >> the Peter Yan fight again. And you you. [ __ ] you had a nice pace. You look. casual doing it. >> Feel good. >> Yeah. You could tell you've been. working. You know, it's not like a new. thing. Your body's acclimated to it. You. could really tell. >> It's like and I I heard Tony Robbins. once say that we grossly um overestimate. what we can do in a year and we. underestimate what we can do in a. decade. >> And for people that might be listening.

to this that are dealing with severe. obesity, I want to give you this game. you will grossly. overestimate what you can do in 90 days. but underestimating what you can do in a. year. >> when it comes to your health. Like it. was right around my 30 I turned 41 3. days ago and it was right around my 39th. birthday that I started really. considering taking the step to try to. make a major change in my life. And I. thought about it around my birthday cuz. I knew my next one was 40. You know what.

I And I was like, I don't think I've. ever met a 500 lb 40year-old. >> They don't around very often. Usually. that's when they. >> stop off. No, that's when it and it felt. like I'd already cheated the game. I'd. had multiple heart issues, you know. Um. and I was like, man, I should I should. really start trying to figure this out. I felt like I I could feel myself dying, Joe. You know, and it was crazy because. I spent most of my life thinking that I. when I got to this point or that I I.

never thought I'd get to this point. We'll start there as far as success. But. I. >> Even your hands look smaller, >> dude. >> You have new hands. >> I've had to change my aura ring size. five times in this [laughter] process. I've literally I've changed clothes for. two years straight. >> I'm looking at your hands. I'm like, he. has different size hands now. Dude, it's. crazy. Everything, dude. I haven't seen. you in how long? It's been at least a. year and a half. >> It's been a year and a half. We did the. pod. I was I was I was in this pod. bragging about being 420 lbs cuz I'd.

lost 120 lbs. >> And I was in here excited about those. 120, you know, and I would have never. guessed it. I've lost uh Ilia Taporia. since then. [laughter] You know what I'm. saying? I've lost a whole another a. whole another when Char [snorts] my chef. said it best. He said when Charles. Oliver fell off of Michael Chandler's. back, that was what you lost in the last. since the last time you've seen Joe. It. would be like if a Michael Chandler just. jumped off your shoulders. >> Isn't that crazy? >> It's crazy, Joe. >> It's crazy. When I go uh walk with my. dog, I put a 45 lb plate on a pack and.

when I get done with the walk, I take it. off. I'm like, [sighs]. >> that ain't [ __ ] dude. >> You were walking around with an extra. 300 [ __ ] pound. Cam said this. yesterday. It was so funny. He said, he. said, "You know why you're inspiring so. many people?" He said, "Think about how. much David Gogggins inspired people. because he went from 300 lb to getting. in shape." He said, "And you've lost. David Gogggins at his biggest." I'd. never even thought of it that way. I was. like, "Wow." I was like, "Yeah, that's a. whole. >> You lost a whole David Gogggins,

>> dude. My surgeon said I have 35 pounds. of skin on me now.". >> Wow. >> I mean, you've seen it. I showed you my. I showed you my show my stuff, but it's. like it's crazy, dude. >> That's cra just 30 pounds five pounds of. extra skin. >> Just extra skin. >> That's crazy. that's just hanging off. the front of me right now. [sighs]. >> And somebody said, "Doesn't that hurt?". I was like, "Not as bad as the 500 that. was hanging. I'll take these 35 over. that all day, dude." Way way fair. exchange. >> So, what was you you knew you were doing. bad? You knew your body was not it was.

not going to be able to function at that. weight for very much longer. And so, what was the pivotal moment where you. made this decision? >> Here's this is this is why I wanted to. do this with you. Thank you for letting. me have this space cuz this is what I. want people to hear is that every time I. thought I had a critical moment, it was. a it was an emotional moment. So, I'd. get all fired up. I've been trying to. lose this weight my whole life and I'. and I'd yo-yo 50 70 pounds down, go back.

up. Me and my my nutritionist Ian Larios. were looking at notes yesterday. I spent. most of 2022 between 480 and 560 pounds. Like that year, that's how much I. fluctuated in just a year up and down. 60. >> crazy, you know? So, it's like I was. just such a So, when I sat down to try. to lose it this time, I said, I'm going. to take a different approach. I'm going. to really take my time with it and I'm. going to think about what I'm doing and. be intentional. I'm not going to let it. be an emotional thing where you just. jump up and go, I'm going to go run in.

the D and I was like, let me let me. figure this out. And clearly, I've dealt. with drug addiction. So, I was like, maybe there's something here. Like, how. come um. I actually have this in my notes. Overeating wasn't a failure of willpower. for me. It was a biological loop that I. didn't know how to interrupt. >> That's a good way to put it. >> You know what I mean? >> That's a good The problem with food. addiction, as opposed to every other. addiction, is that you have to keep. doing the thing you're addicted to. >> It's the only one.

>> and it's everywhere. Not that crack. isn't everywhere and heroin isn't. everywhere, but. >> it's not I've never. >> There's not heroin on this table. You. know what I'm saying? There's a cookie. on here somewhere. >> There has been. But food is something. that you need to sustain you to keep. alive. Like imagine if you were a. gambling addict, but you had to play a. few hands of blackjack every day. >> Every day. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. Like you had to like you got to. play at least. >> to stay alive to stay alive. You can. imagine I started and with that. mentality I said well the first thing. I'll do is let me you know how can I cut.

back how much I'm eating and less less. eating periods but the first thing I did. was started um every time I said I was. going to lose the weight so I said I. lied to myself. We talked about this. I. would tell myself. >> I'm going to do this. I'm going to go do. that. And then I'd go tell my family. that. So the lie started with me though. You know, there's there's a big person. listening to this right now or a drug. addict or somebody who wants to change. some part of their life that right now. is going, I'm gonna start next Monday, you know, or I'm gonna start Friday or.

I'm gonna start they have a start date. They, you know, they and then they that. Monday comes and they never do it. I. told you I was like every other fat. [ __ ] Even when I finally did it on. Friday, I was like Monday, I'm waking up. and changing my life. And I was like, but I had an idea. I was like, I'm not. cutting out food. I'm not dealing with. nothing crazy. I'm going to do two small. things first. I'm gonna cold plunge. because I've been watching Dana White do. it and it seems to be working for him. That's how just naive I was to the whole. thing at first. I was like, Dana's cold. plunging. He got in shape. I was like, and I reached out to Gary immediately, like right around that 39th birthday, I. reached out to Gary Bre and I just sent. a message to Brea blind that said, "Do.

you work with fat people?" [laughter]. I hadn't seen a real case study of fat. people yet. [laughter]. And lucky for me, Alina um um their. daughter, him and Sage's daughter, was a. country music fan. So she comes in like, "You ever heard of Jelly Roll?" And. they're like, "No." She's like, "You got. to listen to this song and then you got. to help him." So Gary called and Gary. was like, and I said, "Gary, I'm going. to start by," he said, "Just start by. trying to get 10,000 steps a day and get. in a cold plunch." I'm like, "Dude, I'm. 520 something pounds, Gary. 10,000 steps. a day is crazy talk." But I got in the. cold plunge for six minutes. And I would.

go for a half mile walk. That first. Monday comes, Joe, it is pissing rain. Pissing rain. I mean, cats and dogs, dude. And I wake up and I'm like, "Shit." And I've been studying about. lying to yourself. That when you tell. yourself you're going to do something. and you don't do it, your body then. starts to know that you don't mean what. you say. >> So now when you tell your body to do. something, your body looks at you like, "Bitch, you ain't never meant what you. said to me.". >> You've never followed through. What do. you [ __ ] you? You think I'm going to run. cuz you tell me to run. Dude, you lie to. me all the time. >> And I was in that concept. And I came.

out that morning dressed up in my stuff. and I was like, "Man, that rains pretty. hard." And my family, and this wasn't. them being a lack of support, Joe. This. was just I think this was me lying to. them for so many years, you know, that. they wanted to save me my shame again. and my embarrassment. >> And they go, "It's okay." I think my. wife's like, "It's okay, Papa." Um or. but my my daughter was like, "Um, just. wait till the rain quits or do it on the. treadmill or something." But in my mind, I was like, "No, I'm going outside." You. know, and I was like, "I'm done lying to. y'all and I'm done lying to me. I told. y'all I was going to go do this walk and. I'm going to do this walk.".

I didn't want to get emotional this. early, [snorts]. but I'm good. There's nothing wrong with emotions, brother. I'm coming. I'm coming back from that walk. and I'm coming up my driveway. It's up a. big hill. I'm bringing a camel, too. It's a huge hill. And I'm coming up the.

driveway to the hill. And all my. families out there, [snorts]. cheer me on, clapping, hands up. [snorts] I'd done nothing but. lie to them for years about this weight. I had done nothing. I'd never proved to them that [snorts] I. was going to change or that I'd be a man. of my word in any regard. They had every. reason not to go out there and cheer me. on. And that was like a big mo that was the.

moment you know where [snorts] I was. like damn. And I realized that in. addiction that u [snorts]. in addiction. the family will. kind of cater to the addict. It's. nature. You know like if um somebody in. your family was a drug addict, you would. you would help with their kids or you. would you know you would you would feel. a need to help in their absence. It's. what we do as a family. And it's human. nature. And [snorts] um I realized then.

how much my addiction had been hurting. his family. You know, how much that my. sex life with my wife was horrible. Dude, I married a [ __ ] big titty. blonde beautiful woman, dog. You know. what I mean? Like I married the kind of. woman that makes you smile when you're. crying, Joe. You know? [snorts] Um and I. couldn't I couldn't even get aroused. I. was so big. I mean, I was having to play. I was having to play Twister to have. sex. left foot here, right foot in the. X. You know, are we are we in there yet? Tell me if you feel something. I mean, it was bad. You know, my.

[snorts and clears throat] daughter, I. think about my son. Um, you know, my. brother would have to go throw football. with him. I was too big to throw the. football. And I was like, these that's. what my addiction has done to these. people. And here they are cheering for. me. No, dude. We're turning up. We're. [ __ ] we're we're going to figure this. out. So, [snorts] then I knew it was a. mental thing. And I read a book called. The Fox, the Horse, the Mole, and the. Boy. Have you ever heard of this book? >> No. >> It's a children's book. Jamie, if you. don't mind pulling it up because it's um. it's just it's just it's somebody kind.

of recreated Winnie the Pooh but for our. kids, you know, and it was a children's. book. And I open it up and it has a. moment where it goes. >> Yeah. Yeah. The boy, the fox, and it's a. >> Oh, I have seen this. >> Joe. >> Yeah. >> You want to talk about a seven-minute. read that will change your life? But. there's a quote in there that goes uh I. forgot if it was the mole, but the the. the fox or something looks at the horse. and goes, "What's the hardest thing. you've ever done in your life?" And the. horse goes, "Ask for help.".

>> Yeah. It's just all these like really. cool little things. But when it said ask. for help, I was like, "Wow, I need to. ask for help." It's like whenever I was. addicted to drugs and I had to walk in. that room for the first time and go, I. don't have control. [snorts] So, um, I. called a company called On-site that. does, uh, therapy. And, um, I went and spent two weeks with. a lady named Mary B who wrote the. curriculum for food addiction in the. world. Like, she is a 80s [snorts]. something year old woman with glasses,

sweet soul of a woman. And we locked in. a cabin. And she said, "We're going to. figure out what this is." And I [snorts]. spent, I'd say maybe two or three weeks. in this cabin with this sweet old woman. And it was like uh, no phone out in the. woods. I walked every day. I played with. the horses. I mean, I just went laid in. grass. [snorts] And um it really took me. all the way back through all my years. And it was the first time that I didn't. just try to rush to lose the weight. I. tried to figure out what why I was. carrying the weight, you know, and. [snorts] that's whenever I figured out.

that I that that overeating for me. wasn't a failure of discipline. I'm a. pretty disciplined guy. It was just a a. biological thing. I hadn't learned how. to interrupt. I've been doing it my. whole life. It had been my constant. go-to for stress. It had been it was. everywhere all the time. I [snorts] was. eating for I had to start figuring out. what I was actually hungry for. You. know, like when we talk about obesity, Joe, there's groups. Like [snorts] if. you're 340 lbs here, 330 lbs here, you. know, it's depending on your height, of. course, you might be dealing with a. discipline issue. Maybe you just like.

extra food. We can make small changes. and get that off. You start getting over. 300, 320, you start, that starts being. morbid obesity. Like there starts to be. a real thing there, you know? And I'm. seeing it more now because I talked to. tens, 20s of guys that are over 500 lb. that have reached out to me like please. what is this magic Yoda? You know what I. mean? I'm like. >> I'm like consistency is the magic. But. one once I realized why I was eating 80. 80 here's the note I took from therapy. I had I took had my wife translate all.

my notes from uh when I was out there. and it goes change uh first of all you. change the way you think and talk but. because 80 to 90% of compulsive eating. happens between the ears not the teeth. So the average obese person is that big. and I learned this from her is that. they're only eating 20% of what they're. thinking about eating. This is an all. day loop that's in a in a in your head. It's like a drug addiction. You know, I. [snorts] used to walk in um me and. Schultz laughed about this. I used to.

walk in rooms and scan. Like I would. walk in a room like the Predator. Like I. would I would do one thing like the. Terminator and be able to look you in. and be like, "There's a ball of Snickers. on that counter. There's two M&M's over. here. They have some [snorts] Lays. potato chips over there." Like I knew my. way. >> It was mostly sugar. >> All sugar. Me and you were talking about. dude sugar. Well, processed food. I I. didn't You know how they said so Gary. was like, "Get on a keto diet or a whole. food diet at first." And I was like, I. don't think I eat whole foods now at all. anyways. I think I just eat processed. foods with maybe protein in it, you.

know? I mean, I don't Dude, I haven't. ate a piece of bread except for. Thanksgiving in two years. Joe, I was colorblind. We talked about. this. I was. >> This is a crazy story. >> This is a true story, Joe. [laughter] I. my wife will tell you this is she laughs. about it now but I couldn't see I seen. shades of colors like I general concepts. but like hunter green emerald green like. what green's green to me I never. realized there was nuances and. prettiness and that some were brighter. and toned different I just seen them. like shades [snorts] so bad that like.

that's why I wore black Johnny Cass was. a lot of it but two you know I'd always. have to ask people does my shoes match. you know I was always off dude I'd say. nine months into no sugar I I think I. forgot what it was, but it was a plant. at our house. And I come outside and I. grab my wife and I go, "Dude, how long. have we had that pretty purple tulip. there or whatever it was?" And she goes, "What?" I was like, "That is the. prettiest purple plant I've ever seen.". She was like, "You've walked by that. plant for two years. What are you. talking about?" I was like, "There's no.

way we've had a plant that pretty." I. didn't notice it for two years. It was. bright purple, Joe. I mean, it was. screaming holy robe purple. And slowly I started looking around the. next few days and o over the next months. I was like I'm seeing clear color. I. couldn't quit talking about I bought. coloring books. My wife was laughing. This [ __ ] used to have to give me a tie. to match to go to court. You know what. I'm saying? And I'm in there coloring. You know what I'm saying? She's like. what are you doing? I was like you want. to color? And I I've got like 300. coloring pencil set. [laughter] I was in. the I was in a deer blown with Cam Hayne.

talking his face off about a bird. yesterday. He goes I didn't know you. like birds like that. I was just I like. color. He was like really? I was like. yeah I didn't see color for like 20. years. I was like, "It is awesome.". >> That is so. >> It had to have been the sugar. >> Must have been It must have been just. rampant inflammation through your whole. body. Massive lack of nutrients. >> And your body probably is like, "Fuck. colors. Let's just keep this dude. alive.". >> That's it. Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] colors. Just. keep them alive. Damn. >> This episode is brought to you by OnX. Hunt. Hunters, listen up. Millions of. hunters use the OnX Hunt app, and here's.

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of life. Even as I was getting. successful, I was like coming out here. and like life was getting good for me. And in my mind, I was like, "Okay, good. When I die, at least my kids might be. okay and they won't be ashamed of me.". >> Wow. >> That's how I was thinking, Joe. I was. literally thinking that way. In my mind, I was just pushing like, if I could just. get this machine down a little bit, my. kids won't be ashamed of me. They won't. have to be the dad. At least their daddy. died of obesity because he had mental. health issues. But he was a cool [ __ ]. dude, man, that did some cool stuff, you.

know? And it was like, I never would. have thought I could have this kind of. life. I never thought I could even even. when I sat here and talked to you. before. In my mind, I was thinking, man, I'll probably never see Joe again. I. think, you know, it'll probably go any. day for me. You know what I mean? Like, my heart could quit any day. I could. relapse and overdose. I don't I'm not. thinking right most of the time. You. know, [snorts] um to like sit here and. look at you now like, "Dog, I'm going to. be a 70-y old man with you, Bubba." You. know what I'm saying? like doubt. You. [laughter] know what I'm saying? Like. [snorts] it's going to be cool. You was. talking about my uh You mind if I run.

through these for a second? >> Yeah, please. >> Well, let me let me preface this. So, um. because I want to talk about the labs, you were talking about my inflammation, but I got with Gary Breen and I did a. blood test. And this is something else I. encourage big people to do. And your. basic provider will pay for it more. often than not. If you have just like a. standard insurance, just tell them you. want to run a just standard blood lab. But tell them instead of just your A1C, this is important. You want to see your. insulin level because I was diabetic but. I wasn't insulin resistant. So my. diabetic marker when I first got checked.

was a 6 point my a my a my A1C was a. 6.4. Okay, which is the threshold. [snorts] of what being a diabetic is the. pre-diabetic. The last point of being a. pre-diabetic is 6.4. And. [snorts] I thought that when you are. when your blood work says you're a. pre-diabetic for 15 years, it was. whatever. You know what I mean? Like. this is not going to kill me or nothing. I've had Yeah, that's what it said last. time. I'm fine. And then finally, they. checked for my insulin. It was over 40,

Joe. It was like insane. And I don't. want to get this wrong. >> What's it supposed to be? >> It's like under five. >> Oh, Jesus. >> Yeah. So what happens is when your body. goes to burn when you fast, it has to. burn through all your insulin before. it'll start burning through your your. your reserved fat. So when you're at. that high of an insulin level in your. blood, it's you're having to fast. So. you're hardly ever getting to the resort. fat burnage because it's just constant. insulin, >> right? >> So this is where GO1PS come in. This be.

a great time to talk about this. So Gary. goes, "Hey man, you're insulin. We'll. just give you a shot and this will. change all this." And I was like, "Cool. Send it. Whatever. I'll try it." And. then my uh my wife's manager, Mimi, started the shot. Did wonders for her, but she had the worst stomach issues. I. have a bad stomach. I started calling. people and going, "Hey man, how's this. shot working?" I was like, "Dude, we're. losing weight. Food noise is gone. You. got to try it." I was like, "What's the. side effect?" There's like one bad side. effect. It tears your gut up. And I was. I had a So, I have bad reflux. And you.

know, [snorts] that's the worst thing a. singer can have. Nothing is worse for us. than reflux. So, I got scared of it. So, I called Gary and I was like, "Gary, I. can't do it. I'm afraid of it. So then I. started doing research and I was like, "Well, if I'm not going to do this, I'm. going to have to fast to get my insulin. levels down a lot." So I was fasting and. I was losing like next to no weight and. I was doing the right thing. And as a. big dude, that's the most encouraging. thing, discouraging thing is when you're. actually not lying to people because, you know, as a fat person, I'm I'm. programmed to lie like a drug addict. Like what did you eat today? Oh, grilled.

chicken and salads. And I just ate seven. Snickers, you know? So [laughter] it's. like or I brush it off like a big thing. my my nutritionist would come in and be. like, "Did you eat something last night. after I left?" I'd be like, "Yeah, I. just ate a little bit. Not bad, just a. little bit. Little bit bad.". >> But I wouldn't quantify what a little. bit bad was. It was, you know, you know, it's like, >> so I was just in a I I wanted to start. being way way more honest about. everything in the process. And that's. was probably the biggest thing. So I. would not lose the weight. And I'm like, I'm I promise you, Ian, I didn't eat.

nothing but what you handed me, Bubba. He's like, just stick with it. I just. stayed with it. stayed with it and then. uh Gary got turned into Gary Brea and. took over the world and I was uh lucky. for me I bumped into your friend a guy. named Brigham down here in Texas and he. introduced me. You've met Denise right. Denise? >> Sure. I love her. >> This lady's the lady who really Gary. started this journey for me and I'll. never be able to thank him enough for it. but she brought it home and Gary. probably would have but she she had a. brick and mortar and was just easier to.

get to. travels the world and um I go to. her and she goes she runs my blood again. and my insulin got down to like 37 by. fasting and she goes, "You're against. the GO1 Ps, aren't you?" I was like, "Well, I made it this far and I don't. want to do it with an astric now. Now. it's just stubbornness." At first it. started out of a fear, now I'm just. [ __ ] stubborn, you know? And um and. this is where I don't want to hide. anything that I did do because I think. it'll help people. She said, "There's an. alternative." She said, "If you took a. fourth of a dose of metformin, which. 2,000 milligrams is what they would. prescribe a diabetic one, let's say we.

give you 500 milligrams, which is a real. low dose once a day until we just see. this marker go down." She said, "It. might take a year because we're not. trying to rush it and throw a bunch of. GL1s at it. We're like, we're just we're. going to do this really slow." And. that's what we did. And the first month. I listened to her and I was losing, you. know, I think I looked at Lean's notes. today. We were losing like, you know, four to six pounds a month. Then it got. up to that 12 and 13, that number we. were looking for. You know what I mean? Of what we expect from a guy my size. But it was just that easy. Once now my. insulin, so I said all that to give you.

this. Oh, I'm so excited about this, Joe. My insulin [snorts] was over 40. My. insulin two weeks ago at Ways to Well. with Dr. Denise was 4.6. My A1C was. crazy, right? And that was just We've. only been on the Metformin for a year in. November. So I think we're going to come. off of it now. A1C was 6'4. It's now 54, which that marker is a threemonth. average of your blood sugar. Like that's. a real number to move that much. I know. it doesn't seem like a big number in a. year, but that's like crazy. U my C.

reactive was like in the sixes and it's. 1.2 now. That's an inflammation marker. Vitamin D, while I was getting sick all. the time, was a 28. >> Vitamin D is at 100. >> This was the big one, too. And this is. where uh you say, "Are you natty?" I. say, "No, sir." Absolutely not. I'm a. 40-year-old male. There's no way I was. going to be natty. My testosterone was. one of a pre-juvenile child when you're. that big. >> Wow. >> It was in the like the 50s. >> Geez. >> And you know, it should be in like the. 750s.

>> Yeah. >> My free test was 2.3. Joe Rogan. >> Oh my god. >> My free test, you know what it is today? 149. >> I [ __ ] You remember that problem we. talked about with my wife? >> Yeah. >> Not anymore. >> I'm walking around the house like a. tiger. I'm throwing her over my shoulder. like a cave, man, and [snorts] throwing. her on the bed every time I see her. [laughter] You know what I'm saying? It. is awesome, you know? >> Wow. >> And it ch these were and I encourage. people that like if you can get your. blood checked, there might be something.

there. >> You know what I mean? It might not be. something big. You know, I still could. have lost the weight without the. metformin, but it might have took. another year. >> You know what I mean? If I would have. just had to keep nicking it down a pound. a week because I was just having to get. that insulin down so slowly. And uh that. helped a ton. And the test of course. helped bring because my estrogen was so. high, my test was so low. Finally got. the estrogen down and the test up so the. fat starts burning. I'd done the mental. work. I'd started really figuring out. like why I was eating the way I was. eating because once I recognized the.

pattern, my three Rs changed it for me. It was reset, reconnect, re-engage. So. every time I would go into my pantry to. eat something because I'm a binge eater. I'd stop my and my my therapist taught. me this at onsite. I'd stop and I' I'd. reset. So, I'd step out first thing. Get. out of the pantry. I have no business in. here. Bad place for me. Go somewhere I'm. safe where I can connect near my wife or. somewhere safe. [snorts] Reconnect. What. was you in a pantry for? What version of you? What storyline of. yours walked in that pantry? Was it.

15-year-old Jelly that thought he was a. gangbanger and thought he was a thug. that was just trying to be cool, that. was actually a sad little boy that. couldn't connect with people? Is that. the boy that just walked in there and. tried to eat some cookies? Or is this a. 35 year old man or a 39y old man that's. stressed from work, but I tell you what. you're not in there eating the cookies. for is because you need them. >> You just ate a great meal. You feel. [ __ ] awesome. You know what I'm. saying? Like there's nothing about that. cookie that's good for you. And also. [snorts] Jason, you are not a one cookie. kind of guy. You know what I'm saying? [laughter] You are going to go eat the. bag of cookies. You know, and then then.

then [snorts] I reconnect. Then I. re-engage because sometimes you go. through all that and you go, you know. what though? I was thinking in there, but I do need to go grab the salt. Just. go in there and grab the salt and get. out. But where I'm so programmed is back. to old storylines. You I walk into some. I've been going into the pantry to eat. bad for so many years. I walk in there. and forget what I'm in there for. >> I have to because if I sit there long. enough then it's like oh there's a. >> there's some stuff that you can eat that. does nothing. Like you if you just want. to munch on something, man, get some. celery and some radishes. Those.

[ __ ] have like zero calories. >> Raspberries and blueberries were a big. one for me. They don't have zero. calories. They have calories, >> but you could eat like. >> Well, it's actually good for you. >> Bucket of them [snorts] before you get. into the hundreds of calories. >> If you want to have some like. raspberries with some salt on them, or. not some raspberries, rather, some. radishes with some salt on them and some. celery, there's nothing in that. You. just eat it and you don't have to worry. at all. You're just getting some fiber. and some nutrients. >> Pickles. >> Pickles are great. >> Pickles are another one I'd get on too.

>> And also, like if you get like good. fermented pickles, they're actually good. for your gut. Yeah, I I did all the. cheats early. So, like, but when I say. cheats, like I was hungry, so I I go to. my nutritionist and go, "Hey, man, just. feed me whatever looks like the most. food, >> you know, fluff it up." You know what I. mean? Like, just I want a big serving of. food. >> cuz it's mind thing. And the cool thing. is now I'm in a place where I'm looking. for density. >> Like, my relationships changed that much. with food. Now I'm looking like, yo, what is like, >> do I have to eat this? Is there enough.

protein in this or can I only eat half. of it? Not because I have the the weird. relationship with food other ways. Now. I'm just really feeding myself for what. I need, >> right? >> You know what I mean? Like I'm actually. have a healthy relationship with food. now, Joe. Like I look at and it's not. unhealthy in a way that was like if you. cooked a big steak right now like you. want one. I'd be like, "Yeah, absolutely. I don't want to miss a steak. with Joe. I'm down. I'm not weird. If we. went to dinner, I'd eat." You know what. I mean? I just wouldn't eat bread. >> There's just certain things I have an ab. It's like a drug addict thing for me. It's like there's just certain things I. just can't do no matter what.

>> Yeah. The bread is the one. Bread and. pasta are the one. >> Why does it have to be the ones that are. so goddamn delicious? >> All the good stuff, dude. >> Oh, all the so delicious. >> But um I learned how to make all the. good stuff better, by the way. Like not. better, but Larios is really So, a lot. of my weight loss has come from like I. used to always hear you say that you got. into podcasting and talking to people. about stuff you were just interested in, >> like conversations you just thought were. cool. [snorts] And then I thought about.

that's like the approach to life, you. know what I mean? Is like get like dig. it, do it, you know, find draw. inspiration from there, >> right? >> So I was watching. >> a great dig it, do it. >> If you dig it, do it. Yeah. You know, dig it, do it. And I was watching UFC. one night, which I'm a fan, too. And I. was, this was six years ago, and uh I. was like, I wonder who's helping these. guys get on the scale, you know what I. mean? I was like, most of these fighters. are poor. Not in a bad way. You know, they're coming up. I was like, >> I bet I bet I could pay equal pay.

>> This was six years ago. I was like, I. wonder who it is. And I got introduced. to George Lockhart. >> Okay. >> You know what I mean? Which famously him. and Mike Dochi, I think, are kind of. both famously known for the guys who. created the weight cutting protocol of. today, >> you know? And uh. >> I call [snorts] him, he's in Georgia for. the holidays. He drives up to Tennessee. to see me. We end up hanging out. G. George and me are buddies to this day. And um you know, George is like, "Look, I let me find you a guy." And that's how. he found me Ian Larios who just came in. to do nutritionist. He did a bunch of. bully bees camps, but he's been with me. People [snorts] say, I had somebody tell.

me this, Joe. They said, "Uh, well, of. course you lost the weight. It's easy. You got money." You know what I mean? I. was like, "Buddy, money can't make you. run these six miles.". >> No. Everybody who says that is just. making an excuse for why they haven't. done it themselves. You can't ever say, "Of course you did it. You have this. Just [ __ ] do it. >> Just go do it. >> Just do it." And yeah, it's going to be. hard. And especially if your hormones. are all [ __ ] up and your insulin. levels all [ __ ] up, it's going to be. hard. But you can do it. >> Well, the biggest thing, too, is stick. with it, Joe. >> Yes. >> That's my heart, y'all. Is like.

>> all moment. >> That's why I said give yourself one. year, not three months. Because if I. gave myself three months, I'd have been. upset. I didn't lose enough weight. >> It didn't go the way it's supposed to. go. I'd have went back into my shame. spiral. We were talking about this. My. whole thing was stress, overwhelm, food, shame, repeat. >> That's what I did. Yeah. I lived in that. spiral. You know what I mean? And it's. like, oh, I've been working hard. I'm. not getting it. Sad. Me. I'm going to go. to the pantry and punish myself. You. know, I'm never going to lose this. weight. >> Where it's like if id have just waited. for the year and really said, "No, man. I'm going to go birthday to birthday.".

Which is why when me and Cam ran on this. birthday of mine, it was so important to. me because I was like two birthdays ago. was the first day I even thought about. changing my life. >> You know, and even last birthday I was. 400, you know, 380 lbs. And now this. birthday I'm I'm running a 5K with Cam. Haynes. You know what I'm saying? Like, [laughter] dude, y'all can change it. If. you hated your birthday this year, just. give yourself a year. You know what I. mean? You can have a whole different. birthday. It's hard for people because. they want immediate gratification. You know, they really want it all to. happen immediately, especially in this. society that we exist in today where.

everything I mean this is why GLP1s are. so enticing for people because you can. get immediate gratification, >> you know, and. sometimes you got to just you got to. focus on little victories, these little. tiny victories. Today I didn't eat cake. >> That's it. >> That's a little victory, you know. And. momentum is everything. It's like that. first day when your family was cheering. you. That's what it's all about. It's. all about you did it. You went out in. the rain when you didn't want to. You.

did it. You came back. Now you've got. momentum. You have that good feeling of. success. And that will enable you to. continue to chase that good feeling. That's the good that's the good. addiction. Right? >> I'm clearly addicted to exercise. If I. take a couple days off, I don't feel. right. Right. If I take a day off, I. feel weird. I feel squirly. Like, I got. all this extra [ __ ] [ __ ] weird. [ __ ] Leave me alone. You know what I. mean? I get I get weird, man. I get. weird. I feel weird if I don't do it.

And And I know people like, "That's. horrible. You something wrong with you.". >> Sure. But it's a good thing wrong with. me. I'm addicted to a good thing, right? I'm addicted. I'm addicted to staying. healthy. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> they say they say addicts um addiction. swap. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I've never had a bad. addiction fortunately, but I've had a. bunch of addictions, you know, like I've. had like video game addictions. I'm. addicted to playing pool. I was addicted. to martial arts, but I've been addicted. to like things that are beneficial. Luckily, luckily,

>> but I'm scared of all the other ones. I. know that I know it's the same thing. >> How much of that do you think has played. a part in your environment and friend. group? >> It's huge. Huge. Because if you can get. around a bunch of other people that are. addicted to good things, then you're all. just doing good things and you're all. feeding off of each other. Yes. >> Yeah. That's it's everything, man. You. imitate your atmosphere always. >> This is why I can't be around negative. people. I just I am too sensitive. When.

I'm around negative people, first I try. to help them, then I try to coach them, then I try to like like see the world. through their eyes. And then I'm. reacting to them. And then I'm like, "Fuck, man. You're not helping me. I'm. not helping you. >> You're just dragging me into your. vibration. And I don't like it. And if. you don't want to change, there's not. much I can do with this. And so I got to. just ghost you. Yeah. >> I got to separate because you if you. save a drowning man, you know, sometimes. you can drown yourself, right?

>> You know, and there's a lot of people. out there that have wasted years and. years of their life in toxic. friendships. >> Yeah. you know, with negative people. >> We've all That's what made me bring it. up. >> Easy to do, man. It's not It's not a a. mark on your character. It's a normal. thing that people do. And when you're. around a bunch of people that are. positive and that are inspirational, then all of a sudden you start holding. yourself accountable like, you know, what would David Gogggins do? You know,

like what would Cam Haynes do? >> What would Cam Haynes do? >> Yeah. What would Jaco do? And then that. that's a good thing. >> What would Rogan do? Yeah, you got. >> I know you don't like it when we give. you compliments, but we think about it. [laughter]. >> Um I said that cuz like I wondered if. that was for you cuz the biggest thing. too, my note here is new playground, new. playmates. You can't heal in the. environment that hurt you. >> Yeah. >> You know, and it's like I started. praying for new friends five years ago, like on my knees to God directly, like. God, I've done everything I can for. every friend I brought with me along the.

way. Everybody who came with me can't go. with me. Everybody's not growing at the. rate I'm growing, >> right? I need new friends. I'm hanging, you know. Um, when I was cheating on my. wife, I was hanging around people that. were cheating on their wives. When I was. drinking tons of alcohol and doing tons. of cocaine, I was hanging around people. that was doing tons of alcohol and tons. of cocaine. >> So, I'm like, I don't I want to be I. want to change. Like, right, >> send me some friends. Send me just send. me some new interests. >> And then I'd start bumping into, you. know, I guess six, seven, whatever it. was years ago, guys like Cam Haynes,

guys like Gogggins. And I didn't realize. it then. when they came into my. universe, it was just from a distance in. a YouTube channel like, "Oh, this dude's. [ __ ] nuts. Who's this guy screaming. at the camera running all these miles?". Yo, who is this guy that won't quit his. job that is like the greatest bow hunter. ever and runs ultramarathons and like is. refusing to quit his job? The internet's. like campaigning, "Quit your job, Cam.". You know what I'm saying? I was like, "Who are these guys? These guys are. awesome." You know, >> and um even then my that's where the. little scared kid of me comes out like, "Ah, man. But you you know, you can't do. that, dude. you know how far you are. away from even like being able to talk.

to a guy like that or being able to run. or like you're just too far. You know, even down to bow hunting. I'm a felon, so I'm not allowed to possess a firearm. or be within a thousand feet of one. knowingly. So, I've never been able to. hunt, you know. Well, I didn't think. about the loophole. Y'all know it. The. bow. I can bow hunt. Yeah. >> You know, but also then you're 500 lb. It's like, am I really going to bow. hunt? You know what I mean? >> Right. >> But it was new playgrounds, new. playmates, you know what I mean? And um. I [snorts] started really believing that.

and like just finding that my my uncle. always said if you hang around nine. you'll be the 10th. So just look at the. nine closest to you. And even if it. wasn't a friends at first it was just me. being inspired by different stuff. Back. to digging it do it. You know what I. mean? Like dig it do it. And I got into. this I was into um I signed up for the. two bears 5K because Bert was my friend. and I thought their podcast was funny. I. never even met Tom. >> You know what I mean? I was like this is. a cool way to do it. [snorts] You know. what I mean? like, you know, like, yeah, I'm on the internet, 500 lb, waddling. down a back road going, I'm going to my.

first 5K in May, everybody. You know. what I'm saying? It's like it just. [laughter]. >> and I'm like, I'm running and uh and I. and I call Cam because we're friends by. then. And I'm and I'm all excited. 470. walking my first two miles a mile that. day or whatever it was. I ran a whole. walked a whole mile. Called Cam doing a. 5K. Cam, Cam, I'm gonna come support. you. And Cam and Philip Franklin Lee. walked that 5K with me. It took us an. hour and a half, Joe. I mean, listen, I'm surprised Cam did. Cam could have. rolled faster. He could have crawled. You know what I'm saying? We watched. both of his kids run by us three times.

in jeans. You know what I'm saying? [laughter]. And uh but that's like it goes back to. changing your friends. Like it was a guy. that wanted to lift me up. A guy that. >> Cam believe Cam used to tap me on the. shoulder when I was 500 lb and go, "Dude, we're going to bow hunt one day. I'm gonna take you bow hunting, dude.". And I would remember thinking, "This. motherfucker's crazy." You know what I'm. saying? like there's no way [laughter]. me and this dude are ever bow hunting, you know, and uh we're bow hunting, you. know. I just came out of a blind this. morning. We've been I've been down there.

bow hunting with Cam. Ran my first 10K. with him yesterday. But it was it was. completely the the new playground, new. playmates thing for me. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> yeah, it's fuel. If you can get around. people that are real positive and that. are doing good things and they're. excited about life, it's very. contagious. >> Yeah, it is. I think that's one of the. really positive things about the. internet that you can be introduced to. the way these people live their lives. and you could see videos on them. You. could hear them talk on podcasts and you.

can realize that people like this exist. and then try to find them, you know, and. try to find people like that and try to. become like them. You can you can you. could assume those positive attributes. and you could you can incorporate them. into your life. It's completely. possible. >> For sure. Yeah, and. >> it's real. I mean, I did it. I am an ex. Somebody is listening to this right now. And as crazy as this is going to sound, >> I was you eight years ago. I was. listening to the Joe Rogan podcast. It. was the beginning of me starting to be.

like, "What I put in my body comes out. >> What I eat, I [ __ ] What I drink, I. piss. What I hear, I believe.". >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And then I realized I was listening to a. bunch of true crime, a bunch of negative. stuff on my phone all the time. I was. watching fist fights at bars. Like, this. was my algorithm. You know what I'm. saying? You know what I mean? My. algorithm was just completely [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> So, it's like, okay, I need to start. changing my I need to find cooler stuff. to put into my algorithm things, more. knowledge, learning stuff. >> Tell me, what have you done with the. phone thing? So, the phone thing is. interesting.

>> It's been real interesting. I got one. now. I got one two months ago. I took a. year. So, part of the weight loss, I. took a year off of a phone completely. Well, you know, I used to get drunk and. give my number to everybody at the bar. So, I would wake up after an award show. and have like 3,000 unread text messages. of people's like, "Congratulations." And. I was just like, "Oh god, I was missing. like big messages, you know?". >> Yeah, that's a problem with me. Yeah, >> I got I got that problem. >> Yeah, I could imagine where you look. back and you're like, "The president. text me." No, not me, but I bet that's. happened to you where you're like, "I. missed an entire text from somebody of. that stature," you know,

>> and you're like, "Dude, this is crazy.". And I was like, >> I don't I think that I was using it as. another way not to connect. I have an. avoidant personality. Like, I'll isolate. or I can do it just right in a room full. of people if I hop on the phone. And I. was just like, man, I want to be more. present. You know, I remember sitting. doing stuff with my son and daughter and. I was like scrolling Instagram once. again, watching bar fights, you know, nothing nothing that was helping. You. know what I mean? I was like, I'm just. >> I'm just like completely disconnected. really. It's another. >> and with my personality, I got to watch.

those. So, I got a phone two months ago. and I just didn't put social media on. it. >> I have YouTube cuz that's my app. >> and I trust, you know, YouTube is where. I get good stuff. >> It doesn't give me 60second burst of. [ __ ] I don't need. It gives me long form. of good stuff. You know what I mean? I. find channels that I like really dig. >> and it's like back to New Playground, New Playmates. I never I know I'm super. late to the party. Never heard of the. Outdoor Boys until last year. >> Okay. Whoa. I've been missing a whole. new thing of life. You know what I mean? >> He's back, right? He's doing it again.

>> He's backish. Yeah. >> He took some time off, right? Cuz I. think he felt like the. >> got overwhelming. >> Yeah. the the success of his channel got. too crazy and. >> he didn't enjoy the the pressure. >> But you know what I think he was doing? This is You want to speculate a little. bit together about this? >> I think he was doing the coolest dad. thing ever because he goes on there and. goes, "Look, this has been a little. overwhelming for me and my family. Me. and my wife are out of this." And. frankly, I got two boys that want to be. YouTubers themselves. So, I think I'm. just going to help them. And I follow. his son's channel. His son's got 3,000.

subscribers. He He camps by himself like. his dad did. He's 12 years old doing. solo camping trips, dude. His name's. Outdoor Tom. So, it's like and he's been. posting and his dad's on his channel. So, I think the dad just built his. channel, got big, and was like, "Dude, I. think I'm just going to leave this. legacy for the boys, man. I'll just help. them out." But he's kind of been poking. his nose back around here and there. And. he helped his friend out that had. cancer. I thought that was the coolest. thing. Who was the name of that channel, Jamie? I don't want to blow this. They. deserve a shout out cuz that was really. cool. >> My Life Outdoors. >> Yep. My Life Outdoors. And so, that was. a recent video that they made. Yeah.

Yeah. He's a very interesting guy, you. know. I wish he'd come talk to you. >> I I would if he was interested. I. definitely have him on. I really have I. I watch a lot of those shows. That's one. of part of my YouTube algorithm is dudes. who go out into the woods by themselves. >> This is my new algorithm. See, this is. me trying to change my playgrounds. because this is all back getting into. shape, Joe. >> Like now I don't look at that as a an un. an aachievable task. I look at that like. next winter me and Cam are going to go. hunt somewhere. We're going to take a.

[ __ ] tent. You know what I'm saying? We're going to go out there and get lost. in the woods. >> Camp on your back, dude. >> I think we can do it, dude. Like, I. think I'm going to be in shape enough to. do it, you know. >> Well, you're probably in shape enough to. do it right now. >> I'm only going to get better. >> Yeah. No, I mean, I watched you on the. treadmill today, man. You're in shape to. do it right now. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, you could do it. It's uh that's a. beautiful thing, man. It's a really. beautiful thing. And just to be out in. the woods like that is it's a I think. it's like a form of vitamin that people. haven't recognized yet. >> It's medicine.

>> Yeah. There's something to it. I mean, that sounds hokey and newagy, but I'm. telling you, man, if I don't get my time. in in the woods at least a couple times. a year, three, and I really want to do. it a way more often. I just can't. I. just I'm just too busy. But it's it. empties all the [ __ ] out of my life. The mountains don't give a [ __ ] what's. going on in in your life or how many. likes your last [ __ ] social media. post got or who's upset at you. They. don't care. You know, the the mountains.

are the mountains. Those animals don't. give a [ __ ] if you just won the Grammy. You know, they don't give a [ __ ] Oh, jelly rolls here. Let me offer him my. vitals. [laughter]. >> No, sir. Not the case at all. >> There's no charisma out there. There's. no cult of personality. There's no It's. all It's just wild and [snorts] it's. beautiful. >> You always been outdoorsman? >> No. I I used to fish when I was a kid. I. used to really love fishing and um you.

know then I I got away from all of it. for a long time until uh Reanella took. me hunting and that's when I got that mu. deer. That one that's sitting on the. table right there. That was the first. animal I ever shot. >> Uh bow or rifle? >> Rifle. That was a rifle. And then Cam. took me on my first hunt with a bow. I. got a black bear. [snorts]. >> That was your first hunt was a bear. >> Yeah. >> God, I'm trying to get him to take me. one of those in May. >> It's good. >> And I want to do elk next year. Bear is. a good one because first of all, it's. scary,

>> you know, which I think is good. And uh. >> dude, that's funny. >> And there's something about eating a. bear that's just wild. It just. >> they're kind of fatty, right? >> Feels crazy. >> It Yeah. Well, not that bad. I mean, they they definitely have a lot of fat. on them. They taste good. They t That's. a big misconception. I mean, I've never. eaten a grizzly bear, which I've heard. are pretty rough, but my friend Ryan. Callahan just shot a grizzly bear, and. he says it's delicious. Um, I think the. thing about a bear that's a little. daunting for a lot of people is. tchinosis. And uh, you have to cook a.

bear likeund. I think they're I think the number is. 160. I think that's what it is where you. you you know, you got to make sure that. that meat is 160 degrees, >> you know, so you don't get any parasites. because tchinosis is rough. >> God, I can't believe your first bow hunt. was a bear. I'm on my first bow hunt as. we speak. Yeah. >> And it's for a deer. And I could I. definitely I needed to do this if I'm. going to see a bear. >> I am out there. I mean, stomach and uh.

heart and stomach, stomach and pants. >> Cam took me um bear hunting because uh. in Alberta the way they do it uh it's uh. they do it over bait. So they um they. set out oats and they use beaver. carcasses and all these different. things. So the animals and people are. like, "Oh, that's cheating." Listen, there is no other way to find these. animals in Alberta. There you're talking. about dense forest. A dense forest that. looks like a box of Q-tips. Like you. can't see [ __ ] out there. You're not.

going to find them before they see you. coming or hear you coming or smell you. coming. This is if you want to hunt. them, you have to use bait or you have. to use dogs. And you know, that's how. they used to hunt them in a lot of. places. They used to, you know, tree. them with dogs and then people would. shoot them. And people are like, "Well, that's horrible, too." But there's you. have to control their populations. If. you understand wildlife biology and. wildlife management, you you must. control the populations of predators. And then, you know, like John and Jen up.

in Alberta where they took me, they know. how to cook bear, like really good. Jen. is an excellent cook. And she she'll. cook a bear roast and she rubs it down. and put it puts it in a Trager and. they'll slow cook it for 12 hours. >> Smoking the bear. Was it the bear you. killed? You could eat that one. >> We definitely ate some of that, too. And. there's another thing that Reinella. taught me um called bear candy, which. was great. It's like basically like it's. like Chinese food. It's like sweet and. sour bear. Wow. >> It was really good. Yeah. And then Cam. uh brought over some bear sticks. He.

gets some meat sticks made at this one. butcher that he goes to, this one meat. processing place. But you bear is the. the misconception is that bear tastes. bad. It does not taste bad. It tastes. like beef. It tastes like a weird beefy. kind of animal. You know, here's a weird. fun fact. When settlers were the. pioneers first were making their way. across North America, they didn't eat. deer. They were eating bear. And they. were using deer for skins. >> So, a deer skin was worth $1. And that's.

where the term buck come from. >> No [ __ ] way. >> Yes. The term a buck comes from the the. price of a deer skin. >> No. And they were just throwing the meat. away. Exactly. >> Wow. How long ago was this? >> The 1700s, 1800s. They didn't know. anybody. Not only that, you know, all. those buffalo that people shot, like. buffalo is like very expensive meat. It's delicious. It's fantastic. I think. it's superior to beef. >> They didn't eat the beef. They didn't.

eat the buffalo. They were eating their. tongues. They were they were killing. them initially for their tongues and. then they would pickle the tongues and. send them to New York. And people in New. York were eating pickled buffalo. tongues. >> Wow. They were throwing away thousands. of pounds of buffalo. Good buffalo meat. >> Yeah. Oh my god. Thousands of pounds. And then they started using their skins. So buffalo hides became valuable. But it. wasn't the meat that they were after. Which is crazy because they basically. almost made them extinct, right? >> They came like within a hair's breath of.

making bison extinct in North America. >> God, just by giving away tongues. >> Well, also because they they opened it. up to the market. So market hunting was. a giant problem with wildlife in North. America. So what what what that what. that means is they didn't have. refrigeration back then, right? So you. needed a constant supply of meat and you. know you could salt things down and. transport them that way and there's a. bunch of different ways to avoid the. breakdown of bacteria, but essentially. you couldn't there was no [ __ ].

freezers, you know, and so market. hunting almost wiped out all the. whitetail. It removed elk from most. states. You know, the states that are in. right that have elk, wild elk, right now. are a tiny handful of the states that. used to have elk in like the 1600s, the. 1700s. It's all the settlers came from, you know, wherever and they shot them. all. >> Wow. >> And they shot them all and brought them. all to market. >> You know, that was a lot of it. And so. then they made market hunting illegal.

And then, you know, they designated. areas uh public land. And you know, this. is the Teddy Roosevelt thing. And what. what they did was really an amazing um. what what they did is an amazing example. of conservation in North America that. really doesn't exist anywhere else is. our wildlife management and also our. natural resources public land. management. So we have public land in. North America where you can you could.

you could apply for a tag. You could get. it like like we did with that mu deer. We shot that mu deer in Montana. We got. a tag and [snorts] we went out into the. Missouri brakes and then we, you know, found that animal and shot it and ate it. and anybody could do that. You, it's. part of you being an American if you, you know, fill out the right paperwork. and pay for the tags and all that pays. for the management of this land and for. wildlife biologists and park rangers and. all those kind of different people that.

game wardens that that help, you know, keep all this stuff managed. Wow. See, I. didn't even know you could hunt public. lands until recently whenever Cam and. them were fighting back about the bill. that was trying to get rid of some of. it. >> Yeah, man. They were trying to sell off. some public land. It's a [ __ ]. dangerous slippery slope. >> and you can't let that happen ever. >> It's kind of like freedom of speech, man. You let any infraction of freedom. of speech is a complete infraction. freedom of speech, you know? So, >> I mean, it's deteriorating really badly. right now in the UK.

>> I'm loving the outdoors though. I'm. loving learning about it. Like even. hearing you talk, I'm just over here. like, "Yes.". >> Oh, it's an amazing. >> This is new to me. You know, I I just. got my first hunting license yesterday. You know what [laughter] I'm saying? Day. before yesterday. So, it's a big deal. for me. >> That's awesome. >> I'm having You want to hear my first big. amateur mistake I made? >> Sure. >> This is a good one. I told you one of. them, but I'll tell you why I didn't. tell you because it's way better. I was. saving this one for the air. >> Um, we're in there the first night and. it's like kind of it's not nippy, but. it's like I when the sun went down it. was cool, but it was still, you know, I. was so adrenaline up. First night a.

dough comes out, Joe. And I thought I. was going to [ __ ] myself. I mean, I had. to stand up. I farted. My stomach was. bad. It was just so [laughter]. It was every emotion I didn't think I. was going to feel. And I'm doing it with. like the greatest bow hunter ever. sitting behind me. And lucky for us, Cam's a sweet dude, so he's just. entertained by it. >> Well, he really loves helping people get. into bow hunting. >> Dude, I I you know, that speaks again to. who he is. Like to be who you are. And. that that'd be like me. >> loving going and meeting first time. songwriters. like I've never wrote a. song of me being like that's my.

favorite. Let me sit down and show you. how to start. You know what I mean? Which I don't necessarily feel that way. to be honest. So it's like for him to. care, but I I'm sitting there and the. next morning we go and uh it's [ __ ]. cold and I'm shaking anyways cuz you. know I'm nervous and I'm shaking because. it's cold. So when we go back that night. I bring my hoodie in case it gets cold. but I don't put it on and we're sitting. there and as soon as the sun goes down a. little bit it gets cold in that blind. bubble. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And I'm sitting there like, >> well, you're also not moving. If you.

were walking around in the cold, that's. a different thing. >> No, we're just sitting and I'm like, >> and I'm like cold cold and I don't even. think about it. And now keep in mind. there's two doese's in front of us and. there's a buck maybe 80 yards away. Cam. said this and it's the most gangster. thing. Bow hunting starts where rifle in. rifle hunting ends. Bow hunting begins. where rifle hunting ends. >> Yeah. The moment you see a buck when. you're rifle hunting, for those. listening that don't know, you just. shoot it. It's that easy. You see the.

buck, you better shoot it right then. As. soon as you get a clean shot. >> The moment you see the buck when you're. bow hunting, that's operation chill. Get. them as close as you can get them and. find the right shot. It's the total. opposite of rifle hunt, which I haven't. rifle hunting since I was 10. Anyways, >> but um so I'm sitting there and it's. cold and there's I see the buck in the. back and I'm like, you know what? >> Can I ask you something? >> Yes, sir. >> You're not allowed to own a firearm. Are. you allowed to operate one? >> No, sir. >> No. So, you can't rifle hunt at all? >> No, sir. I'm on my first hunt pretty. much. >> This is an ad for Better Help. The.

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I'm just kind of praying, you know what. I mean? Um, but even if he gives me the. pardon, unfortunately, Tennessee has a. zero forgiveness policy for violent. offenders. >> So, I would be pardoned, but I wouldn't. be um adjudicated. What's it called? Uh. um when they um. >> exonerated. exonerated. Um I wouldn't be. with the the charges aren't completely. gone. So what I'd have to do is and this. is my hope is that my goal in this is. that I want to reach out to legislation. eventually and go, hey, like if nothing.

else, I'd like my run my my right to. hunt. Like it's done a lot for my mental. health. It's done a lot for my my. physical health. Like it's been a being. able start going on that first bow. These are little markers that I put on. the calendar, you know, when I'm 400 and. something pounds and I'm like, "All. right, next year." Cam said he's taking. me on my bow hunt. I got to get there. You know what I mean? Like, all right, next year I'm not going to run that 5K. in an hour and a half. I'm going to do. it in 45 minutes. You know what I mean? Like, these are those markers. So, I. want to go to them and go, "Look, >> I understand if you've ever raped.

somebody or killed somebody, but I think. that every it should there should be. some path to redemption. Even if it. takes 30 years, put something. unrealistic up there. you don't can't. get a speeding ticket for 20 years. But. like I think it's important for people. to have a path to redemption. I'm a I'm. a redemption guy. >> and you know if God didn't just show me. so many paths, you know what I mean? Then. >> well I think it's one of the more. beautiful aspects of Christianity that. it does offer you a path to redemption. like a true legitimate path where you. can become a different person. >> literally and people not judge you on.

the old person anymore. It judge you on. the person. >> I get it for the public safety aspect of. it. It's hard to know if a person's. redeemed themselves. I get that. >> It's hard. And if you make the wrong. decision, man, I could I I couldn't bear. the burden of your conscience of that. neither. >> Right. >> But then you do have cases, and I know. I'm not the only one. >> of people who have like even little. things like I mean, outside of hunting, Joe, it's not that I'm a big, you know, I don't have a I just wish I could. protect myself, >> right? >> You know what I mean? It's like I'm I'm. a million dollars plus a year in. security. I'd cut that bill in half.

tomorrow of addict right to carry, >> right? >> You know what I mean? For sure. You. know, but um. >> but at least let me hunt. I mean, my. heart's right. I just want to feed the. family and go out and spend some time. with the boys and and do some population. control. If we don't kill them deer in. Tennessee, they're taking over anyways. You know what I'm saying? I'm. >> sure you got a lot down there. >> They're every not like these monsters. down here, but they're everywhere. >> Yeah. Well, that place that you're at is. a particularly unique place. >> Cactus Jack. >> Giant deer. >> Dude, it's called Hunt Cactus Jack or. it's um I found this out. Do you. remember the old vice president from.

here was called Cactus Jack? >> No. >> Will you look this up, Jamie? This is a. cool story. So, the vice president, I. think it might have been during. Roosevelt's term, maybe even or one of. those, uh, maybe Teddy, but his vice. president was a Texas governor or. something. And the guy was famous. because he's the one who tried to make. the cactus plant, the Texas state plant, [laughter] so they called him Cactus. Jack because of that. And then Cactus. Jack. Yeah, this is. >> There it is. There he is. Cactus Jack, look at him, dude.

>> He looks like a cactus. >> He looks like Cactus Jack. [snorts]. >> Yeah. Jim Nance Garner. >> Wow. >> Yeah. He was a lawyer, longtime. congressman. Uh he was the one who tried. to make the cactus as the safe flower. for Texas. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Who was he a vice president to. Roosevelt? Yeah. >> The effort failed in favor of the blue. bonnet, but Cactus Jack Moniker stuck. with him throughout his long political. career. >> So, so when he opened this place, uh I. how many years ago? The guy who bought. it from him was super excited to he told. me the story last. Look at how gangster.

that is. That's Cactus Jack. >> Cigar with two pistols. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> We could never get away with that right. now in politics. >> I know, right? >> Um but Cactus Jack, he's uh But the. ranch is great. The guy who owns it, Mr. Jerry, was telling me the history of it. last night. They kept true. Texas deer genetics. A lot of the Texas. ranches will have import genetics, >> and he was like, "Cactus Jack was big. about making this a triedand-true Texas. ranch." And he's he is dead set on dying.

by keeping it that way. This guy Jerry. that owns it. >> Well, it's like especially South Texas. hunting whitetailed deer is like a. religion. >> It's a religion. >> Yeah. It's a big thing for those folks. They big deal. >> And to to grow big deer down there and. to make sure that you manage the. genetics correctly, like you don't shoot. any animal that's under like six or. seven years old. And. >> you know, there's a place that I hunt in. uh Utah that does that with elk. It's. like they a really well-managed place.

does that. They make sure like there's. some places where. when they have hunting season, everybody. just goes out into the woods. Kids get a. day off school and they shoot everything. they can, which is great. You get meat. It's great. But the problem is if you. want very impressive animals that are. mature, which is al also better for the. entire genetics of the herd because. these are the the animals that have. lived a full life. They've spread their.

genes and then you shoot them at the end. at the end of their life. So they've had. a long full And by the way, when you're. getting an animal that's seven, eight, nine years old, >> they really don't have much time left. >> Well, you know, they were telling me. you're so right about that. They were. saying some of them they'll try to wait. and let them have another year and they. won't make it anyways. >> Yeah, they won't make it through the. winter. >> Sometimes they'll just, you know, they. just won't make it. He said so they've. uh Yeah. No, they're they're dead. This. guy's doing it. I mean, obviously I'm. not the case study. Cam should talk. about it because I' I've been on one. hunt, but the deer I see on my property.

back home compared to these deer, these. deers would eat those deers. You know. what I'm saying? Like these those these. deers would [ __ ] those deers in the. butt. You know what I'm saying? It's. like it [laughter] just it's a totally. different thing. It is it is a different. thing with but that's a very exceptional. place. >> So I go I go to put my hoodie on. That's. where I [ __ ] up. Joe, I'm cold in this. [ __ ] blind and I go I I said, "Cam, hold my bow." I should have said, "Cam, can I put my hoodie on?" Cuz Cam would. have been like, "No." You know what I'm. saying? But I was like, "All right." And. in my mind, Joe, I was going to slide.

one arm through. >> Uhhuh. >> And I was going to wait 30 seconds to. slide the other arm through because I. didn't want to be shaking if I got my. shot. And I seen my buck across the. field, >> right? Bubba, I put first arm through. and I looked up. It was like a movie, Joe. All three deer in the field went. right into my soul and ran away. And I. looked at Cam. I was like, "That was me, huh?" He was like, "Oh, yeah. They don't. like that stuff." I was like, "Fuck.". >> You can't. >> Never came back. No. Never came back. >> The sound is like they hear everything.

like 10 times louder than you do. Look. at their ears. Their ears rotate and. turn and do this. Those are antenna. listening for predators. >> So they hear a ruffling of clothes. They're like, "What is that shit?". >> They were like, "That's a human.". >> Yeah, that's a [ __ ] human. And when. they're down there, that's the main. predator. >> Yeah. >> The main predator is us. >> No, they It was It was amateur hour at. the Apollo, dude. At least Cam got a. hoot out of it. I learned a big lesson, of course, too, you know. But. >> bro, they look at you, too. When a.

whitetail bust you, they look you like. It's a weird look. No, it's like it's. almost like he when I say they looked. right up at me, Joe, it was like from. from feed. >> to eye contact with me. I was like, "Oh, fuck." You know what I'm saying? I felt. like a deer in headlights. I was like, "Oh [ __ ] he caught me.". >> Well, people put felt on the rest just. so that when the arrow slides, it's not. making any sound. >> God, >> you got to be real slow in how you draw. back. Well, that's something else is. like rifle hunting, which I can't rifle. hunt, but we have a bunch of stands on.

my property and I'll go sit in them just. to watch deer with my little boy. And um. you know that that thing will be they're. two football fields away from where the. deer are. You'll be sitting up there. with a heater on listening to a podcast. smoking a joint watching a deer. Like if. I had a gun, I'd kill it. You know what. I'm saying? So I showed up first day. with Cam and I got my little weed pin in. my pocket and as soon as we sat down and. I seen a buck from here to a little bit. past Jamie from me, I was like, "Oh. yeah, we can't smoke it here." I was. like, "This is real, dude.".

>> It's a totally different thing. >> It's a different fear, too. Like you get. excited when you see one out of a blind. from 100 yards, 200 yards, you know, 50. yards, 70 yards. But when you see one 20. yard, 30 yards away from you, >> and you're sitting there with just. a stick with a piece of metal on it kind. of, >> you know what I'm saying? And a string. Ultimately, you got a glorified the what. came right after the slingshot, >> right? >> You know what I mean? And you're like, "This is me and this animal right now.". >> Yeah. >> It is the [ __ ] craziest feeling I've. ever felt in my life. Dude, I wrestled.

at SummerSlam. It felt like that. [laughter] It felt like when Logan Paul. was going to jump through the table. It. was that feeling the whole time. >> Yeah. This is it. >> Oh, wow. That's a big [ __ ]. >> Look, that was me really shaking, dude. >> That's a big buck, too. >> Oh, dude. We had so much. We're having a. I'm having to time my life down. >> A tiny little hole. You're. >> You see what I'm going through here? Look at him. But I just. >> You have a You have a light on your. pins? Do you have a a sight light? >> No, sir. >> Okay. Um, are you using a spot hog? What? What kind of uh sight is a.

beautiful bird? >> Cam set it up for me. Cam, is it Wayne? Is Wayne his name at the bow rack? Wayne, I love you, Wayne. >> Shout out to Wayne. Yeah, you got a spot. hawk by the way. That's a booner. >> Your your your bow shot just dropped me. off um kickstand for it, though. What do. y'all call. >> Oh, beautiful archery country. >> Yep. Yep. Thank you for that, by the. way. >> Oh, please. We love you. >> In the stand. I'm having to hold it on. my lap. You know what I mean? So, Brigham hit him for me and was like, "Yo, while we're doing rogen, can you. just drop off a kickstand for jelly?". So, he dropped one off. Hoy has it set. up so that they're retractable, too. The.

way it's set up, it's perfect. You can. just set it down. It's perfect. >> I bought 200 A-ROS and I put them 100 on. my back porch in a bucket and I have. like 30 targets in my backyard now. [laughter]. and I set the 100 of them on my farm's. back porch with like 30 targets. And now. I literally wake up, let my dog out and. just let a hundred rip first thing in. the morning. Just rip a whole 100. Takes. me like 45 minutes. Good exercise. And I. only have to pull them once. It's also. the concentration clears your mind. because it's so hard to do to hit a.

target, especially at distance. Yeah. >> You're when you know your whole thing is. just everything's got to be like. coordinated in sync and on that release. when that arrow flies and. >> and goes right into there. Oh, I love. it. >> It's a It's You talk about. concentration. It's one of the only. things I've ever done that when I'm. standing there, even over a target, especially over a deer, >> but even over a target, and I pull that. bow back, it's like you said about the. mountains, like nothing in the world.

matters right now. >> Goes away. >> I don't hear I don't even hear my inner. monologue. >> Yeah. >> All I see is that little green pin. >> on that dart. >> Fred Bear had a great quote about a. troubled mind like nothing nothing. clears a troubled mind like shooting a. bow. It's so true. It's like there's. something about how difficult it is that. it really requires everything of you. It. requires all of your concentration. You. can't have like distracting thoughts. like, "Oh, I forgot to pay that bill.

Oh, I got to call that guy back. Oh, I. got to do this. Oh, I got to do that.". >> You can't have anything in there. And. and because of that, it's like a moving. meditation. It like it forces you to be. completely present in the moment. And. that that cleans the mind out. You're. >> talking about moving meditation. And I. was thinking about when you were saying. that even down to the breathing. >> like. >> the importance of the. >> it's also you're going to learn how to. manage your nerves, right? So there's. going to this is a process and it's a.

journey. And so along the way you're. going to have some moments where a deer. comes in or an elk comes in where you're. [panting]. you see your body shaking, freaking out. But then in the future you're going to. know, okay, I know when this is coming. now. Now I know how to stay calm. And. now I see us coming like, "No, [ __ ] We. ain't we ain't getting there. We're not. going there. We're staying right here.". I call it going dead. Like you go dead. Like all this anticipation and what if I. miss? And what if I do this? And what if.

he runs? And what if he turns? >> Nothing. I don't let nothing in. You. don't let nothing in. And you just like. exist like a cat. >> Like [clears throat] you're like a cat. like staring at the thing you're about. to kill. Just locked in. There's no. negative at all. You don't ever let. those emotions creep in. You know, I. asked Cam, I'm like, "Do you ever check. your heart rate when you shoot?" And. he's like, "Yeah, it doesn't even move.". Like, yeah. Because he knows how to stay. in that moment. He knows how to stay. calm afterwards. It's like, "Yay,

everybody's great and everybody's happy. and oh my god, look at this. Is. incredible. It worked out. What a. perfect shot." And hugs. >> Yeah. Can't think about that though. Can't think about the result. Never. think about the result. Always think. about the process. I'm always thinking. about the process. >> I'm having fun with the process here, though. >> Process is amazing. >> Cam was saying that I I felt so bad. I. looked at Cam today. I said, "Came, you're not mad that we sat four times. and I haven't got one yet." Especially. since I've [ __ ] it up once and twice. I had to pee today. But um but we've. been in there four hours. I mean, I was. like, "Cam, that buck's not going.".

>> Yeah, I'm staying hydrated. I'm like, "Cam, I got to pee.". >> But um. >> that guy has amazing patience. >> No, he he said he smiled. He was like, "This is what I'm here for, Bobby." He. said, "I'm glad you're getting the. journey." And I was like, I think if I. had came here and just shot one, it. wouldn't have been I've sat four time. I've really I'm working for this deer. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> I pulled on him three times this. morning, Joe. And just could not. And. But Cam was proud of me, though, cuz I. was like, I just don't have the shot, Cam. >> Cuz he he whispers in my ear. He goes, "Do you got a shot?". >> And I've been um I forgot who wrote it, but it's a little book called Lying. Have you ever seen this book? >> No.

>> It's like a Jamie, it's like a little. bitty book. It's just called Lying, >> but it's like some author, you got to. check it. It's a really cool book, and. it just talks about us lying. And it was. the book that talked about me lying to. myself. >> And right then I had to fight that urge. to lie because it wouldn't have been a. lie if id have said yes I got a shot. But I didn't I didn't have a good shot. Right. >> So instead I go. >> I don't got one I like Cam. >> And Cam goes. >> and he put his hand on my shoulder. He. said I'm proud of you for that. And I. just let it down. You know what I mean? Like. >> I was at least even in the moment of. like I want to kill this deer. So would. be so cool. Imagine if I went on Joe.

Rogan's after killing my first buck this. morning. And I was like but I was like. this ain't the shot. You know what I. mean? Like I want the first one to be. the shot. I want to be proud of it. You. know what? I don't want to harm an. animal. You know what I mean? I don't. want an animal to suffer. I want to. double lung it. I want to drop it like a. movie. You know what I'm saying? And if. I have to sit here eight more times to. get that shot, no problem. >> It'll just make it to. >> I'm just getting better. I'm learning. more. I'm learning how to listen for. stuff. I'm seeing things now. I know. when they're looking, what the wind. means. I learned what barometric. pressure is and what it does to. [laughter] them. It's all kind of cool.

stuff, dude. I'm like a little nerd. there. I'm like the little kid walking. around asking questions all day. Well, there's a really big learning curve to. hunting, particularly bow hunting. And. it's really interesting. Like, you just. keep learning stuff. Like, I've been. doing it now for I guess I've been bow. hunting for 12 years or 13 years. I. guess 12 years. And I'm still learning. I learn all the time. I mean, I'm, you. know, it's one of the most rewarding things. that I've ever done, you know, and and. especially in terms of like getting.

pretty decent at it, getting proficient. at it, having a bunch of success, and. success begets more success. >> I love it. And then when you eat it, it's different than any other meal you. you'll ever eat. When I when I pull a. elk steak out of my freezer and I thaw. it out and then I throw it on the Trager. and I throw some olive oil on it and I. like this Saskatchewan blacken. Saskatchewan rub that they have. It's my. favorite for elk. And I get that sucker. up to 120 degrees and then I bring it. inside and I sear it on a cast iron.

frying pan. Then I eat it. Man, it's. magical. I remember I remember the whack. when that elbow hit him in the lungs. The whack. That sounds swack. >> How crazy is it hunting elk? >> Oh, crazy. They [ __ ] scream. >> Oh, that would scare me. >> It's magical. >> I hunted with Cam this September and uh. I got this elk that was uh he had he was.

coming over the mountains with his cows. and uh we saw him. We were like, "Whoa, that's a good one." Like, we got to try. to get to him. So we had to go over the. top of this ridge and go down into this. valley and go through the woods. And as. we got to where he was, another elk. stole his [ __ ] cows. And so by the. time we got to the woods, we were trying. to like we were following the screams. cuz he was still screaming. They were. screaming and the cows are so we get. through the woods and then we realize, oh [ __ ] he got his cows stolen. So his.

cows, we saw the last of his cows run up. this hill, run up the the side of this. mountain and uh he was going after them. He was like slowly and then my my guy. Colton that I was with, he called, you. know, he busted this little elk, this. cow elk call and you see the elk go like. this. It's like a record skips, you. know, like and then he turns and he's. like slowly starts walk. I was at full. draw for like a minute and a half behind.

this tree. Just holding for a minute and. a half while this dude was he was about. 25 yards, but he did not like it. >> He's like, "Something's going on here. I. don't see the cow. What the [ __ ] is. happening here?" So, he went around. sideways to try to get our wind. And as. soon as he went around sideways, as soon. as he got clear, I saw him put that pin. on him. Saw swack. I hit him. He was. dead in 15 seconds. >> 15 seconds. He he he he he got hit. He.

was like, "What the fuck?" He He rol he. he he turned started going downhill and. then fell and rolled and it was over. like that. And then I think of that. moment. Every time I eat it, every time. I'm cutting into that stick, I think of. that crazy moment, >> you know? >> God, that is a wild moment, dude. And. it's also after miles and miles of. trekking up these mountains, you're at. 7,700 ft above sea level. You [ __ ]. >> And you have to hunt hunt elk. You don't.

sit for them, right? You got to kind of. go out and find them. >> There's no sitting. You go find them. >> You're [ __ ] exhausted every day. >> Let's go, baby. >> Yeah. It's crazy. >> That's what I'm training for. Joe Rogan. >> Oh, 100%. >> That's what I'm getting in shape. >> When when June starts rolling around, that's when I start really ramping up. the cardio. So that's when I start. ramping up the aerodyine bike and. ramping up the steps. When I start doing. step ups on boxes and I start doing like. body weights, September. >> Wow. Okay. >> So right around June is when I really. just kick into.

>> leg strengthening, leg conditioning and. cardio time. >> cuz you you know you're going to have to. go. They live in the mountains, man. which is interesting because they didn't. used to be like they were more like. living in the planes until people start. [ __ ] with them and then they like. realize like the best way to get away. from people is to get way up where it's. difficult to get to. >> So if you want to get them, you got to. go where it's difficult to get to. So. you got to get in shape. >> Yeah. That and that's the stuff like I. hope somebody's listening to this right. now going, "Man, I'll never be able to. elk hunt." Yeah, you can. I promise you.

>> Can you walk? Then you can do it. You. can do it. Just start walking tomorrow, baby, and start going forward. And yeah, >> even then, don't you know, it's your big. goal. Put little goals in between there. That was another big one for me was. like, I had these big goals, but I. didn't get they were so far I realized. I'd lose sight of them sometimes. So, you got to set them little. >> them little baby goals in the middle. You know what I mean? Those little like, >> you know what? I'm going to walk a mile. Five days this week, no matter what the. weather is, I'm going to walk a whole. mile. You know, I'm going to walk to my. mailbox and back. Whatever your starting.

point is. And then I encourage you to. start making the decision that's hard. because me and Cam talked about this. when we ran our 5K. There's a hill. My. driveway comes down a driveway, comes. down a hill, and you bust a right, Joe. And then you can go left into a. neighborhood, the same run I run every. day. Or you can go right up a hill and. it is a hillill, you know. Mhm. >> And the first day I came out and uh I. looked up that hill and I looked to the. left and I took two steps to the left.

and I stopped and I told myself I was. like I'm learning about stories we tell. ourselves. The story I've been telling. myself my whole life was take the easy. way out. My entire life Joe I have. always looked for the path of the. easiest like A to B straight line. >> You know what I mean? And I was like, >> I break that today. >> I turn right. [ __ ] you. >> You feel it, don't you? >> Right. Then big. >> It's a big move. >> Big moment. You're like, no, I'm hitting.

that [ __ ] heel. >> Yeah. >> You know, cuz I'm big. The fat people. hate heels. Stairs. [laughter] We hate. all that [ __ ] So I'm like I'm like, "Hit the hill, you know, and I'm walking. and I'm stopping and I'm walking and I'm. stopping and I'm walking and I stop. I. just kept going. When I got to the top. of it, there was a telephone pole up. there and I went and slapped it. >> I just slapped the [ __ ] out of it. And I. [clears throat] was just I felt so. achieved and I came down the hill and. then I took a left and I was going to go. straight down to the stop sign and back. But if you take a left, you can go up. another hill. So I was in my mind I was. like, I'm going to stop sign. I hit the.

hill. But as I was walking by that other. hill, I was like, this is the new you. You hit the hill, dog. This is the new. you. Today is the new you. You hit the. hill. Left. Hit the [ __ ] hill. >> Come back down. on my way home that day, look up, see that hill, it's right by my. house. I go, "Fuck it, I'm hit it one. more time." You know what I mean? >> And then it started becoming a thing. where it's like I started adopting that. philosophy in life now, Joe. I hit the. hill first. >> Whatever the hardest thing is, whatever. scares me the most, whatever I think is. going to be the most daunting of the. day, it's like put that [ __ ] on. the table right now.

>> Let me see that [ __ ] first. >> And it makes the rest of your life. easier, too. That's what's really. important. When you elect to make these. decisions, conscious decisions to do a. difficult thing voluntarily, you elect. to do that, then the rest of your life. becomes way easier because the most. difficult thing of your day is always. the most difficult thing of your day, whether you decide to do it or whether. life throws it at you. And you can. decide to give yourself some [ __ ] that's. way harder than anything life's going to. throw at you. And then the rest of life.

becomes easy. >> It makes you ready to deal with life. It's also very important for famous. people. >> Yes, >> it's very important for famous people. because. >> for famous the the pressures and the. weirdness of fame, most people don't. understand the psychological burden that. they that that carries that that how. that hits you and it can really [ __ ]. with you. And one of the best ways that. I found to keep it from [ __ ] with me.

is to make the hardest part of my day my. choice. I do it. I put myself through. So other stuff that seems difficult for. other people that don't work out or. don't. >> take on challenging tasks. >> Yeah, >> it's not that difficult for me. It's. easy. I'm already torturing myself every. [ __ ] day. >> I feel weirdly more qualified to deal. with [ __ ] when I do, though. Yeah. >> Like when I have a really hard run, >> I walk into the house that day like I. don't care what comes at me today.

>> Exactly. >> I am on fire. I'll give you another. quick. >> There's nothing harder than what you're. do. You're barely alive, right? You're. breathing so hard. Your your heart is. pounding. Nothing in life is giving you. that. Nothing in life is giving you that. kind of burden. >> No. >> So, if you can do that to yourself, it'll make the rest of your life way. easier. >> And then it it, believe it or not, it. gets funner. Like it goes back to my. first uh year walking was miserable. I. won't lie to people that are listening. to this. I didn't enjoy one of those. walks. [laughter].

>> You know what I mean? Not one. I didn't. have one time. >> But when the weight started coming off. and I started being able to breathe a. little better like I wasn't just. fighting for oxygen every single step. >> And that moment happens though if you're. patient. >> The next thing you know you're running. with your friends and y'all are talking. about the football game and you're. firing on all cylinders. >> Today when you were on that treadmill. you were talking. We were watching the. vulcanovski the excuse me the podion. morab dwavish willy fight. >> We were giving commentary like it's like. you do it and it makes. >> like as you were running like oh I.

remember when that kick landed. >> Yeah. I was like that was loud. I'm. telling you dude. I'm like just running. and. >> and it makes me mentally ready now cuz I. go out and I know David talked about. this a lot Gogggins but I go out there. and beat that [ __ ] every. >> day. >> All them negative thoughts I deal with. them on my run and my workout. Every one. of those you can't do it. And you know. what else I've learned? If I have a. chance to eat bad today, it's gonna. happen on a day I didn't wake up and. run, >> right? >> If I'm gonna go off off my program. because the days I run, I don't want. that [ __ ] right? >> I know I earned it.

>> And mentally it makes me better. I woke. up the other day and ran my [snorts]. farm and I come back and my son, I'm all. excited. We're going to the Titan game. and I'm getting to connect with my son. and I go, um, hop on a four-wheeler ride. up to the top of the hill. I'll run up. there and meet you. I'm going get a. little more exercise in. And when I'm. running up to the top of the hill, I. look up and he's stuck. He stopped. somewhere going down another hill that I. thought he was going to go down. And. right then I realized it's the hill that. he fell and broke his wrist on riding a. four-wheeler last year. And he stopped. up there because he's scared. And his. friend already went down. Joe, I thank.

God. In that moment, I said, "Jesus, thank you. I'm ready for this. I've ran. I'm not I'm I feel the endorphins like I. am ready to parent this moment.". >> Most of the time, you know, as a parent, you walk into these crazy moments and. you're like, "Oh, not fully ready for. this moment." You know what I mean? like. we blow them and you look back and go, "Oh, I wasn't ready for that one. necessarily.". >> And I walk up to him and I I credit this. to running. I walk up and I go, "What's. up, buddy?" And he goes, [clears throat]. "I think this is the hill, Dad." I go, "It is, buddy." He goes, "I'm scared.". And I go, "Dude, I've been scared for 35.

years and I never admitted it. So, you're already way better than me.". Like, you're already twice the man I am. I said, "Now what we got to do is know. we know what we're feeling. What are we. going to do? It's me and you, buddy. What are we going to do?" He goes, "I. don't want to drive it." I go, "What if. I ride with you?". >> He goes, "Will you sit on the back of. this?" Now, he's on a 90. You know what. I'm talking about? You know, for the. people at home, this is a 9-year-old. four-wheeler. >> And even then, I start just thanking God. in my head where I was like, "I'm ready. for this.". >> For the first time ever, I'm not too fat. to get on this thing with him.

>> Probably going to rub a little bit, you. know what I'm saying? [laughter] But I. can get on the back of it. And I sit. down on the back of it. >> and he says, "Will you grab the steering. wheel?" I go, "No, buddy, but I'll grab. your waist." I said, "You don't need me. to touch that steering wheel. You just. need me with you. >> Crushes it down the hill. >> Nice. >> You know what I mean? >> And then you get to have the moment. where you get to go, now what' we learn. there, buddy? He goes, I learned that I. can do it as long as you're with me. I. said, no, buddy. You learned that you. can do it. You just need You just. thought you needed me with you, right? >> I said, but here's the good news. Jesus. is always with you, Bubba. You got this.

Like, just go. Like, don't be afraid of. this, man. He drove it back up the hill. So, then I said, do me a favor. >> Just ride up top of the hill and ride. back down. I'll be sitting here waiting. for you. If you starts to go south, I'll. run and jump on you. I'll do whatever. I'll save you. I'll go I'll I'll I'll. die for you, boy. Just come down that. hill. He drove right at the top of that. hill, turned around, came right down it, Joe. >> That's awesome. >> And it's like I was ready for it, though. I'd already did the hard stuff. that day. You know what I mean? Having. an emotional moment with my son was the. easiest part of my day after that. I'd. already ran three, four miles. You know. what I mean? I'd already woke up and got. myself in a headsp space of like, >> I'm going to pour into my son today. I'm.

going to I'm going to take him to get. his favorite sweet from the Titan game. I'm going to get him a Cam War jersey. I'd already had a thing of ways I was. going to connect with him. And then God. gave me a whole new opportunity. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like God gave me a. real opportunity. I was making ways to. connect. Like we could probably do this. and this will be fun. But like. >> it just naturally came. >> I wasn't ready for that at 500 lb. One. I would have never been like go up. there. He'll you 500 lb. I'm like you. want to sit here and watch a movie, >> right? >> No kid wants to sit and watch a movie at. 9 years old. For all parents out there. that are 500 lb. You know what I mean? I'll answer for them.

>> Um but to be in that kind of place with. them is like the joy of life. Like I I. want somebody to hear this podcast. This. is why I keep saying it this way. And. understand that you're not living the. life you can. >> And it's so so possible. It's not easy, but it's possible. And it's worth it. It's so worth it, Joe. You know what I. mean? >> The things that are not easier are worth. it. It's it's important to do things. that are not easy. It's really. important. It's like if you you want. real peace, peace doesn't come from.

rest. Peace comes from struggle. >> Peace comes from struggle. >> It really does. You have to you have to. peace comes from challenge. It comes. from being excited about something, doing something difficult, figuring out. you could do it. Building resilience. >> You know, building resilience is so. important. It's so important because. there's just too many people that are. afraid of resilient. They're afraid of. confrontation. They're afraid of. anything that's difficult, anything. that's struggle, anything that's going. to test them. They're scared of it. They. don't want that discomfort. But that.

discomfort is when you find true peace. There was a guy that there's a there's a. famous old tale that remind me of that. but the guy goes um a young man looks at. a rich man one day and a rich health. happy man and he goes uh how did you get. where you are and the rich happy man. looks at him and goes good decisions two. words good decisions you ever heard this. story. >> no. >> he goes good decisions and the kid goes. well well how did you make good. decisions he goes one word experience. and the kid goes well how did you get. experience and the guy goes two words.

bad decisions. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, >> you just got to go do it, dude. >> Yeah, failure. Failure is critical. >> Failure in the the pain of failure is. also very important. It sucks and it's. hard in the moment. You don't think. you're ever going to live past this. You're going to live in this moment. forever. And I can't do this. I'm going. to I can't live like this. I can't do. this. But. >> get through it. >> Get through it. >> Get through it. And now you have. resilience. >> and you'll become a whole you'll become.

a better person because of it. Like just. just taking and um I I used to be that. way and I'd get in shame about stuff. like shame was a big thing for me. I'd. be embarrassed and I'd get into a spiral. where I just wouldn't deal with things. I'd be like I'm just ashamed of that. I. didn't do it right or I'm a [ __ ] up or. I'll never do it right or I'll never be. able to do that. I use this kind of. language. It goes back to how we talk to. ourselves, right? You know, it's like. this is and your body believes it. You. tell your body enough you're never going. to do nothing. body will start to be. like, "All right, we're never going to. do that.". >> You know, but it's like I realized that. it was more about actually just starting.

to go, "No, man. I can do that." You. know what I mean? Like, I can figure. that out. And now I get motivated. Every. time I've left that deer blind without. one of them bucks. Every time we get in. the truck, I'm all I'm smiles. Cam goes, "How you feeling?" I was like, "Dog, I. am going to get good at this.". >> You know what I mean? Like I look at it. different. I don't look at it like, "Oh, I suck." Like I look at it like, dog, >> I am 8 hours into 10,000 of these hours. You know what I'm saying? Like, y'all be. patient with me. I'm only on hour eight.

You know what I'm saying? Like, but I. promise y'all I'll be a whole different. dude. >> But God, 8 hours into something like. that is so nice because you know, you. have so much to learn. And if you just. look at it that way, like what a. beautiful blessing it is to have so many. opportunities to do things, so many. times that you're going to be able to. learn, so much time to grow, so much. time to get better. You have so much. room. I mean, if you're already Cam. Haynes, boy, it's so difficult to get. better when you're the best. >> Yeah, for sure. >> So hard. >> Yes, 100%. All you can do is help me.

>> And you know, he's just challenged by. moments. So he just experiences a lot of. challenging moments and he rises to the. occasion because he knows because he's. got 30 plus years of experience doing it. and he knows how to do it. >> But for you it's like you're in this. beautiful place where it's all learning. Every day is a new lesson. Even mistakes. like putting your hoodie on. Okay, now. we know. >> Now I'm going to wear the hoodie. I tell. you what, tomorrow night I'm going to. wear the hoodie if it's 80 cuz I don't. care. I'd rather sweat in it and then. when it gets cold I'm ready than be not.

ready when it's. >> And you're going to have a bunch of. those. I I had one elk hunting this. September. We we were going after these. elk that were in this thickly wooded uh. section and we were in this open area. and uh we were we were trying to figure. out where this bull is because he was. running cows through there and you would. catch glimpses of them. And so we. decided to move around to this new spot. And as we decided to move around to this. new spot, we were like, you know what?

we're going to have to go up this ridge. and go around this way and come at him. from another direction. So, as we. started to do that, he changed and he he. ran out through the woods into the. clearing and I was stuck out in the open. just standing there like staring. I'm. like, "Fuck, if I just stayed in cover, I would have got this motherfucker." But. I got impatient and I tried to like run. out and meet and. >> you know it's one of those lessons like. okay now next.

>> better 12 years in that makes me feel. good. >> Oh god I'm not even close to knowing. what the [ __ ] I'm doing. >> You know I I need a lot of lessons. >> I'm great as a pool table twice as. square. [laughter] It's bad. I'm out. there so lost. Joe, it's got to be at. least entertaining for everybody to see. it. >> It's so exciting though. And you'll get. that success. It'll it'll come. >> I'm having so much fun. You know, I was. like, I I I think I'm going to get a. buck this week. I believe it. But if I. don't, I got so many lessons and I'll be. back the next week. They'll let me back. to try. >> Yeah. You'll find you'll find the. moment. You'll find the moment. It's.

going to come. It's going to come with. persistence and just putting in the. time. And I feel like the universe just. gives you these opportunities and let. and when when it's there, you'll have. this big burst of like this breakthrough. moment like, "Okay, I did it. I [ __ ]. did it. I did it. Okay, >> I'm going to cook this year. This deer. is going you you'll be salting that. thing and slapping it on the grill and. watching it sizzle. >> Pop it, baby. >> Smelling it. Oh, the smell.

>> Oh, and then when you go to cook it, you're like, "Oh my god, this is the. best food I've ever eaten in my life. This is the best bite of food." Cuz it's. a bite of food with an experience. attached to it. It's not just a bite of. And it's the best meat on planet Earth. The healthiest food you can get. You. want to talk about like density? You. were talking about like density of. nutrition. There's nothing more dense. than wild game. It's like twice as much. protein as a piece of beef. >> Yeah. >> Twice as much for the same amount of. ounces. Yeah. It's It's so good for you. >> Same calories. >> No, like probably less. Wow.

>> You're eating an athlete. >> Oh, yeah. For sure. >> You're eating like an athlete, you know. >> That's great. I never thought of it that. way. Yeah, man. >> I've never ate a bunch of game, though. Obviously, this is also new. >> Game is the best thing for you by far. There's no no better food than wild. game. >> I've never had an elk steak. I want one. >> Oh my goodness. >> You got to try one. Oh, I wish I had one. right here to cook for you. I wish I had. a grill. >> We'll do one. The good news is we'll do. it the right way. We'll cook one I kill. >> Yes. >> That'll be the big moment. If I waited. this long, I might as well go smack. >> It'll be so exciting. It's And then. you're then you're going to be fully. fully fully fully hooked.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Once you actually do it like when. I shot that that um mule deer that's on. that table and you know Reinella did the. same thing that Cam did for you. You. know, he took me he showed me what to. do. He took me out there and completely. green. I never even shot a rifle before. I only shot a rifle like three luckily. And I'm not saying rifle hunting is easy. for people that rifle hunt and think. it's very very difficult. It's very. difficult, but it's not as difficult as. bow hunting. And which is why I was able. to be successful on my first ever rifle.

hunt. You know, being successful on a. bow hunt for mule deer, good [ __ ]. luck. Bow hunting for mu deer has a very. low success rate. Like even with elite. hunters, it's a ve because it's a very. cagey animal. They're very intelligent, but. >> super fast, too. Right. >> We were eating this animal. We we we. shot it. We we packed it out. We started. a campfire. We were cooking it. And I. remember Steve said to me, "What do you. think?" I said, "I'm doing this. forever.". >> Yeah. [laughter].

>> Forever. Yeah. >> I knew at that moment. I was like, "Well, I'm going to be a hunter now. Like, that's what I'm doing forever.". Because I was on my way to being a. vegetarian. I was like, I don't I. watched too many pea videos and I'm. like, oh my god, factory farming is so. awful. It's so terrible, you know? I. didn't understand like regenerative. farming and ranching and I I eat beef. now. I I mean, I I never stopped eating. beef, but eating wild game is a. different thing. It's It's a different, like I said, it's food with experience.

attached to it. There's something very. spiritual about it. And it's also it. connects you to a part of mankind's. history that is is it's intertwined in. your DNA. Like there's something about. it, you know, like for people that have. never experienced before, you know, the. feeling that you get when you catch a. fish. Even little kids, man. I remember. my daughter caught her first fish when. she was like six. She caught a bass and. she was so excited. You get it? That is in our DNA because.

that means that you're going to live, you're going to eat, you're going to. feed your family. That's why that is so. exciting to catch a fish. >> Shooting an animal and and killing it. and eating it knowing that you can eat. it for months is that times like a. hundred. Shooting an animal with a bow. is that times a thousand. >> Oh, it made me think about it when I was. thinking about animal killing and bows. especially now because I'm thinking. about this a lot. Obviously, I'm in the. middle of it, but there's this thing. that's happening there where it's like.

the concept that back in the day, a man. left with this stick and piece of metal. or just a stick back then, a shaved. stick and a string. >> and was like, "If this goes good, I will. come back with enough to feed our. tribe.". >> Yeah. >> This entire village of people. I will. bring a deer and we will all eat. together. That's crazy to me. >> It is crazy. >> that that was once the way it actually. went. You know, >> it was the only way. This is uh from. here. This Who knows how old that is.

>> Wow. >> Yeah. A friend of mine got that on his. ranch and gave it to me. >> Oh yeah. This is crazy. >> Yeah. So some Native American probably. Comanche cuz it's here. >> Yeah. >> In in Austin. And that guy who made that. made it himself, attached it with senue. and and and twine and put it on a stick. that he had shaved down and put feathers. on it that he had got from a bird and.

and you know, glue that they had made. from they made glue from all kinds of. different things and. and he he shot that probably into an. animal and it fed his family. Yeah. And. then that was lost in the dirt and then. a thousand years later somebody found. it. >> It still stands. Yeah. And it's here. Crazy. >> Yeah. It's crazy. >> And that he came home like a hero. Yeah. >> You know what I'm saying? Like man, you're right. That feeling of catching. that fish. My daughter felt it, too, when she was six. I took her bluegill. fishing. >> Yeah. >> Had a little I had a little spot in the.

lake where you could just drop and catch. a bluegill almost every time. You know, they're pretty little fish. It's easy to. catch. She would have a ball. >> Yeah. It's so exciting. She would have I. took my wife to uh fish for the first. time when she came moved down from Vegas. and I thought I wasn't thinking Joe this. was a user error but I was like ah my. friend's got a stock catfish pond I was. like this is great dude just throw it. out there she'll get her a big old hog. of a catfish. >> I wasn't thinking about how brutally. hard it is to unhook catfish like. compared to a bass or a bluegill. >> You know what I mean?

>> And of course I get a bass that swallows. the [ __ ] hook. >> So here we fight this bass. I mean, there's a catfish in and she's all. excited till it gets there. And it to. this day was the most brutal ripping out. of [snorts] Joe. She's never went back. She was disgusted. She was all in until. after like once we c I should have just. clipped it, threw it back in, but I was. just determined to get you know how you. are when you're stuck like this [ __ ]. coming out and it was just horrible.

>> Yeah. >> I just like uh. >> Yeah. But the good news is I think I've. got her talked into wanting to deer hunt. after I do because um uh Rihanna goes uh. Cam's assistant and she loves Bunny and. and I think that'd be digestible for. Bunny like if she went with another. chick that was cool. You know what I. mean? >> Bow hunter. >> Big bow hunter. >> She'll she'll show her how to do it. Maybe she'll get hooked too. >> Dude, I know she was good because she. was talking about hit one yesterday. She. was like I had a shot on one at like 40. almost I had one at 40 yards out but I. didn't have a shot. Right then I was. like you were gonna take a shot at 40. yards if you had one? That's crazy bow.

hunting skill. I [laughter] was like, "Yeah, uh this uh the ability to shoot. at distance is really tricky because you. got to take into account wind. You got. to take into account the movement of the. animal. You got to be assure that that. because like like um there's a do you. see that elk that's on the wall out. front with a photo of Cam and and I next. that was 67 yards.". >> Whoa. >> Yeah. We got a video of that. So this. elk was standing at 67 yards and he just.

stopped. He had fought off these other. elk and he was tired and he just. stopped. And that arrow, I'll never. forget that arrow. That arrow was like. right in the 10 ring. It was a perfect. shot and. >> from almost 70 out. >> Yeah. And he ran and he just piled up. He just ran right over the top of this. hill and boom and he was [clears throat]. done. But it was that was years and. years and years of every day.

>> in the backyard all day long. I mean I I. I shot so many hours I [ __ ] my shoulder. up. I [ __ ] my lower back. I was because. I'm obsessive. >> I I will shoot for four or five hours a. day and I'm pulling an 85 pound bow like. 150 times a day. It's ridiculous. >> It's crazy. >> It's like on your body. It's your body's. like what the [ __ ] are you doing? >> For sure. I'm only pulling 45 lbs. >> But when you do that over and over and. over and over and over and over and over. and over and over and over, it becomes a.

part of your central nervous system. It's like your brain just gets locked. in. Your your eye immediately goes to. that peep site. It lines it up. immediately with the sight housing. You. balance it all out. >> You put in the same place every time, too. >> Always. Yeah, you have to. >> Yeah, you have to have anchor points. I've got a little I got a Bomar nose. button. It touches my nose. I feel that. on my nose every time where the string. touches my nose. This little thing just. kind of pinches at your nose. Let you. know you're in the right spot. [snorts].

>> I'm going to go get Wayne to redo mine. He did it. We had it where it just sat. on my nose. Perfect. >> And then I lost that weight. So, I mean, more weight. I lost like 80 pounds since. I got set for the bow. >> Oh, wow. >> Yeah. This is like the never- ending. problem in my life right now. Clothes. are either super baggier. I got one size. too early, so it's tight, you know, cuz. I'm just having to constantly chase. whatever is next. >> I can't wait until I'm just a normal. person. I get down a normal weight and, you know, put on a holiday weight like. everybody else. And that's the. fluctuation. >> That's wild, man. I'm close, though. I'm. close. I'm so close. >> I got down I'm in like the 260s right.

now. 30 something pounds of skin on me. I'd like to lose another probably 40 is. probably my goal. >> You're going to be under 200 lb. That is. wild. >> That's the goal. I just want to see it. once on a scale just like as an adult. male. see 190. >> Just see like 199. Just be like, >> "Wow, baby, >> that's crazy.". >> It still feels weird telling people I. weigh something that starts with 200. I. haven't weighed in the 200 since I was. like 12. >> Well, you know what? As you put on. muscle, you might stay in the 200s, but. it'll be a different 200. >> Dude, I'm I am I'm packing, man. My I.

didn't My shoulders are like I'm proud. of them. I um. >> Yeah, you look different, man. Like in. in every way. In every way. >> No, it's like my posture is better. Like. I sit better. You're not burdened by a. you're you're rucks sacking 300 lbs. everywhere you went. >> all the time. >> That's crazy. Your legs must be so. powerful. I used to say that to Ralphie. May. Ralphie May unfortunately never. lost the weight and did wind up dying. young. But I used [snorts] to say to. Ralph, I'm like, "Ralphie, if you ever. lost weight, you get kicked through a.

[ __ ] building with those legs." Yeah. >> Like his legs were carrying around 500. lb everywhere he went. >> Oh yeah. And everywhere and he he'd. stand straight up and do a whole hour. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Pacing the stage and killing it. Do you. know what I mean? Just crazy. >> Yeah. >> He was one of the best, too. >> He was a fun dude, too. >> Was he fun outside of the stage, too? >> Yeah. He was a sweetheart of a guy. He. was, he was a great cook, too. And. unfortunately, after a while, um, you. know, he had a he had done it with. surgery and it didn't work. He, you. know, like a lot of people that have.

that addiction, he couldn't stop. And he. thought like surgery was the answer. So. he got his stomach done and then he ate. through it and then he had to get it. redone like he blew it out. And so it. got to a point where you know when they. when they cut your stomach down they. shrink your stomach the gastrointestinal. bypass. >> He got to a point where he couldn't. digest meat. So he would uh barbecue for. us. Ralphie was a really good cook. So. he'd make ribs. They were sensational. But he couldn't eat them.

>> He had to be eating vegetables. >> Wow. >> Yeah. because his his body wasn't it. wouldn't process the meat. Right. >> Man, that's great. And that was after. the bypass, right? >> Mhm. I think after the second bypass. >> See, that's um. >> and once again, it's like my heart. hurts, you know? Not that not that. anybody could have made a difference. Maybe. But man, I just wish. >> Yeah. I mean, maybe maybe if he knew you. and you guys did it together. >> I could have just sat down and been. like, "Bro, I know." Like I I think. that's why me and you doing this pod so. important to me. It was like, I know. there's going to be people that are.

going to see clips of this that are 300, 400, 500 lb. And I want them to like you. can do it. >> without a doubt. >> Like, you really can. It like it's it's. actually worth it. >> It's small steps. It's telling yourself. the truth, doing what you say you're. going to do, meaning it, keeping your. word, but most importantly, food, food, food, food, food. Dude, >> like I just now started showing the runs. and stuff like cuz I think people. appreciate seeing the work, >> but it's like what was important really. the weight's not lost in that that. running. The running is what makes me.

feel good. It's fighting the demon. >> The weight's lost whenever I sit down at. the dinner table. >> and I eat like a normal human. I don't. eat seven plates and six desserts. You. know what I mean? Like. >> that's where it's at. And that's that. it's anytime I I used to see guys like. Ralphie and I would think it watching. I'd be like, man, there when you get to. that size, that's a there's a mental. component. There's something happening. there, there's some trauma attached to. it or there's a story that you're living. in in your mind that's just a, you know, your body's just reacting to a pattern. it's always had that you haven't been. able to get it out. It's there's.

something you've got to really go in and. roll the sleeves up and kind of kind of. find it. Like I did every kind of. thinking back to I had this therapist. did the coolest thing, Joe. She looked. at me and said, "When do you first. remember being big?" I talked to my. sister Shelby about this the other day. and I said uh and she said what I said. which made me cry because I never talked. to anybody in my family about this and I. go I think the first time I realized I. was big was I was going to get school. clothes for elementary school and that. back then they had a section in the.

Dillards called Husky. >> Do you remember this? You're old enough. to remember they had a Husky section. >> That's crazy. You know what I'm saying? So which is awesome I guess. But. >> you know and I just remember like not. knowing what it meant but just knowing. it was different. and knowing that like I felt different. like I felt like. >> I felt ashamed even at that age a little. bit being in this section. You know what. I mean? Like and I didn't understand. why. >> Well, kids are so brutal, too. >> They're so brutal. And then I talked to. my sister the other day and I go, "Shelby, man. Um, do you remember.

the first time that you that you thought. I was an overweight kid?" And she goes, "Oh, yeah. I'll never forget it, dude. We took you to some store and they had a. husky section and you you couldn't fit. the jeans and you had to shop in the. husky section." And she said, "Dude, it. tore you apart.". And I was like, "Wow.". >> Okay. So, I lived in that shame forever, too. >> Forever. >> You know what I mean? Like just that. constant shame. But I did that work in. therapy. You know what I mean? And had. had related. That's why I said earlier. sometimes when I'm in the pantry, >> Mary Be would be like, "Who's what. version of you is in the pantry? Is it.

the kid you or is it the adult you. that's not answering an email?" Because. sometimes, this is how deep addiction. runs. Sometimes that relapse will be caused by. literally an unresponded email that you. just let sit there and torture you, but. you don't notice it because it's just. nagging at you. >> Just that why don't you just tell that. guy that you're not interested? Why. don't you just tell why are you avoiding. that? Why are you avoiding that? Why you. avoid everything? You avoid every This. is your personality trait. You you know. what? There's thousands of things you. need to be saying to people. >> You start eating what you're not saying,

>> you know? >> So, like. distract yourself. >> Distract yourself. Even whenever I first. got through this, I had to sit my wife. down. Bunny, who is I talked about a lot. on this podcast. She is my anchor, Joe. She's the best thing that I think I've. said this every time I've been on your. podcast. The single best thing that ever. happened to me was marrying the right. [ __ ] woman for sure. You know what I. mean? And um Bunny, I I sit down with. Bunny and I'm What was we talking about? I'm sorry. I got so excited about my. wife. >> Well, you were talking about being. husky, shame, why you don't answer. emails, distracting yourself,

>> distracting. It's like you're just. constant. The food is um a way of not. having to deal with or even say. So I. sit Bunny down. I go, "Baby, I'm. probably gonna start. Give me some. grace." I sit my whole house down and. go, I'm going to try to do an effort to. communicate how I feel in real time. And. I might be abrasive at first because. this is a new concept. I normally have. to go like chew on things for a few. hours to make sure I don't misrepresent. my thoughts. You know what I mean? I was. like, but sometimes in those few hours.

I'll find myself in the pantry. to distract yourself. >> Yeah. So, I was like, you know, if y'all. just give me some grace and what I need. y'all to do is just be be a mirror for. me. >> and just go, "Hey, I got you, but think. about the way you said that. Just just. put it back. Just make me see it." You. know what I mean? Just mirror make me. mirror it. And uh they were so patient. with me. Bunny Bunny's a gangster, though. She'd be the first one to be. like, "Oh, there goes little snippy. there, aren't we? Little [ __ ]. [laughter]. huh? I'm saying I'd be like, "Fair.". She'd be like, "We probably She's like, "I got it. Probably could have said it. different. Love you." I'd be like,

"Fair." You know what I'm saying? But it. was just me learning how to communicate. my thoughts. And now it's like. >> but it was so many of these little. trigger things that I found that would. be what would send me back. And I call I. keep saying the pantry. The pantry is. the gas station. Anywhere I can closet. eat, >> right? Right. >> I just give it a place. It's like a C. Kam was telling me about the pain cave. idea the other day. It's like to me. that's what the pantry's always been. Not the pain cave, but the idea of it's. a it represents a lot. >> You know what I mean? But when I'm in. the pantry now, I know why. I can. literally once again reset,

reconnect, re-engage. You know what I. mean? In any situation. If I'm at a. party now and I think about eating or I. think about drinking, I can go outside. I can hit a joint twice. I can reconnect. with myself. What do you think about. drinking for in there? >> What do you What do you need to prove? Who who who are you embarrassed that you. you're not being cool enough around. right now that you think it'll make you. a little more loose? You know what I. mean? Like what? Get get be real with. yourself, Jason. What's wrong here? >> Right. Right. >> And then you get it. You're like, "Yeah, [ __ ] I'm being weird, dude. I don't. need to go in there and drink. I'm cool. You know what I'm saying? Like. >> you're becoming a different person.

>> Yeah, man. >> Yeah. A better version of who you really. are. >> Yeah. >> It's a beautiful thing because you're. not just doing it for you. You're doing. it publicly. And you doing it publicly. is going to change the lives of. countless people. There's there's. probably a million people right now that. are listening to this that are changing. some aspect of their life because of. what you're saying. >> That's why I didn't hide and do it, Joe. I've seen too many other celebrities go. get go get go in the dark and lose a. bunch of weight and try to come out with. a big reveal.

>> and it always just felt superficial and. like it just didn't feel right. I was. like yo man we should just like post. about this like every workout every day. It's like. >> it's also good because it makes you. accountable. >> Makes you accountable. >> where because you're you're putting it. out there to the world as long as you're. not reading the comments. >> No, no, no. [ __ ] the comment post. I. don't even post it. Somebody else posted. it's ghosted. >> That's better. That's better because as. long as you're not dwelling on other. people's opinions and thoughts and and. because a lot of those people.

>> one of the things that they do when. they're saying negative things is. they're avoiding introspection. They're. they're avoiding their own personal. criticism of themselves. >> So they're doing that by putting that on. you. So by putting negative thoughts on. you and negative comments on you, what. they're really showing is that they're. damaged. >> and that they're avoiding that that. selfanalysis. >> Yeah. >> That leads to you having to make changes. for yourself. So instead, they're just.

[ __ ] on other people. >> That's a there's a lot of people. That's. an addict. That's an addiction. That's a. giant addiction that people have, not. just to being on social media, but to. talking on so commenting on social media. and being out, you know, just being. negative. >> Well, my favorite quote is, "The boos. mean nothing to me. I've seen what makes. them cheer.". >> You know what I mean? Like, you can't. Your boos mean nothing to me. I've seen. what you cheer at. You know what I'm. saying? It's like, come on, dude. You. think I care about them boos? It also. reminds me of the story of the donkey. The d the father and the donkey. I don't.

know if you ever heard this story, but. the son's um the father's walking with. the son and the son's riding a donkey. and they're going through this little. village and somebody goes, "Won't you. look at that? Look at that old man. Look. at uh look at that that that poor boy's. making that old man walk." So the man. thinks, "Oh, I don't want him thinking. bad of my grandson." So he tells the. grandson, "Hey, in the next town, right. before we go, I'm going to hop on the. donkey and you walk.". >> So he hops on the donkey and they start. walking and somebody goes, "Can you. believe that old man's making that. little boy walk by himself?" [laughter]. So he stops. He says, "Fuck it. I'll. just buy the kid a donkey. So, he buys.

the kid a donkey. They're going through. the next city and they're they're both. walking beside their donkeys, right? No, they're both on their donkeys. And. somebody goes, "Well, look at them two. people just beating to death, beating to. death them poor old donkey. Them old. donkeys just can't do nothing." He said. the next time he could tell this the. grandson, he goes, "Fuck it. We'll just. walk beside the donkeys." So, they're. walking besides a donkey and you know. what? Somebody screams, "Don't you look. at them perfectly too good donkeys. they're not using. Those donkeys should. be getting put to work." And the moral. is he couldn't do anything to make. anybody happy. You know what I'm saying?

It didn't matter what he did. >> You can never make everybody happy. because everybody's not happy. >> Yeah, that's it. >> That's the thing. It's like you can make. happy people happy, but you can't What. percentage of people are legitimately. happy? It's hard to get happy. It's. difficult. >> You know what else changed for me was. looking at happy different. I looked we. have my wife has that quote in the house. that says we no longer search for. happiness. We search to be useful. M. >> it's like the moment I quit looking for. my happiness now I just look to be a.

tool like I walk in every situation with. my hands open like God what you got for. me here right. >> how can I bring value to this what can I. do can I motivate like. >> where can I be a little piece of you in. this moment you know what I mean and um. >> and that changed everything now I'm I'm. always by default I'm always happy. because I'm being useful. >> right. >> you know what I mean like there's. nothing more fulfilling than being. useful. >> but I wasn't I quit chasing happiness I. just started chasing being useful. That's beautiful. >> Yeah, >> that's beautiful. It's uh it's a an.

amazing story, man. And you're in the. middle of it. You're you're not done. >> Well, we've almost lost the weight. >> The transformation will be next. And the. transformation, Joe, that will be. something to watch. The weight loss, that's been cool to watch, but the. transformation, Bubba, I'm coming, dude. >> And what do you mean by the. transformation, >> dude? It's like I don't I was I'm going. to like I see myself I've never been. able to see myself like this but like. I'm going to be like in top shape, Joe.

You know what I mean? Like I I was. watching you with them kettle bells. today and while I'm running I was. thinking to myself the next time I do. this podcast if Joe has me back, God. willing, I'll [ __ ] I'm going to do. that workout with him and I'm going to. blow his mind. I'm going to make him in. that action. Bron is my friend. So I say. this out of love. I'm going to finish. that workout and you're going to shake. my hand and be like, "Dude, you did. better in action." You know what. [laughter] I'm saying? Like it's like, you know what I mean? Like I was. watching it like. >> I'm [ __ ] coming for that. You know. what I mean? Like that's the kind of. shape I want to be in. Like man stuff. I. didn't feel like a man, >> dude. At 500 lb. I couldn't walk a mile.

Um my video guy Andy, you've met him a. few times. Tall ball guy. It's real fun. >> He said something to me when I was. losing this weight that broke my heart. because he's such a good kid. I got when. I finally got down to like 27 300. He. looked at me and said, "Dude, you're. like I just need you under 250." And I. was like, "What for?" And he was like, "Cuz then if anything ever goes wrong, I. know I can throw 250 pounds over my. shoulder and I can fire them and carry. you out of somewhere." And I was like, "What a sweet soul that you have. secretly been looking at me all these.

years like what if something happens to. the jelly and I can't get them up, >> right?". >> You know what I mean? Like what a just. genuine SW like I didn't realize how. much my weight was affecting everybody. >> Well, people who love you know that this. is not sustainable. Yeah. And if they. love you and they love being around you, they go, "How much longer is he going to. be here?". >> Right. >> Yeah. And when you're 40 years old and. you're 500 lb, it's like the answer is. not long. >> Yeah. >> It's just is your body can't do, you. know, and everybody's different. Some.

people don't even make it to 40. >> No, I could feel it happening. Like I. was I was I was scared of the way I. would sleep in certain positions, right? >> Like I would have nightmares that I was. going to die. And if I rolled the other. way, I'd suffocate myself. You know what. I mean? Like. >> it's possible. >> It was just, you know, there if if I. I've rolled over one time on my stomach. and I was so fat that the way I rolled. over, I trapped my left arm under me and. my right arm almost wasn't strong enough. to get me up enough to let the left arm. loose.

>> Oh my god. I'm panicking like you're suffocating. Like I'm gonna die right here because I. just physically don't have enough. strength in one arm to get me from, you. know, you roll over like this to get me. up off of my other arm. I can tell you. right now, I can do 20 push-ups, though. >> That's amazing. >> You know what I'm saying? I know it. don't sound like a lot to the listener, but from where I'm coming from, big. deal. You know what I'm saying? I'm in. better shape than Bert Chryser for sure. You know what I'm saying? [laughter]. I love you, Birdie Boy. >> Yeah. you've done what he wants to do.

that he never can do. >> I will say this to him and Tom, boy, they better bring their agame to the 5K. this year. Don't look up and I look like. U Tanner or Truit Haynes running with. [ __ ] uh jeans on. >> Yeah, he's. he's interesting cuz he's got it in him. He can lose weight. Like when Tom and. him first had that weight loss. challenge, Tom went with it and never. went back. >> Tom looks great. >> He's looks [ __ ] amazing. He's thinner. than he's ever been before. He's like.

180 now. >> Brigham said he's getting in shape. >> Yeah, man. He works out hard. >> I secretly want to beat him in the 5K, but it's a big It's a big dude. [laughter] But I'm on your ass, Tommy. Bun. >> Well, when I met Tommy, Tommy was like. real big and he was eating bad and you. know, and him and Bert both decided to. have this weight loss challenge. So, we. had this podcast together. They lost all. the weight, you know, and Bert got. pretty thin, too, man. They both lost a. lot of weight. You know, they did it. over the whole month of October and then.

when they came in, Tom, they all they. weighed each other on the scale and Tom. won. And so Bird had to shave his beard. and they did it, you know, live on the. air. It was fun. We had a good time. though. But it was it was this moment. where Tom realized, okay, I don't ever. want to be fat again. And he. [clears throat] never was fat again. He. just he gained a little bit of weight. and then lost it again, but he never got. fat again. And now he looks [ __ ] in he looks. tremendous. I mean, you go back and. watch his earlier comedy specials where.

he's this big old moon face. And then. look at him now. You would never even. imagine that guy was ever fat. >> No, for sure. It's back when he had the. moon face, the black button down and he. was balding up top and he wouldn't. commit. >> No. Totally different time. >> He's a different human. He's different. human now. And Bert goes back and forth. Bert will lose a bunch of weight and. then get big as [ __ ] again. >> That yo-yo yo-yo diet. >> with Bert. It's booze, man. >> It's booze. It's all booze for birthday. >> Literally, >> it's food, too. I mean, the [ __ ].

will go to McDonald's and order like 30. Big Macs. Like, he's a [ __ ] animal. >> Well, you know how that is. The left. hand will wash the right hand in those. situations. You put you put a little. alcohol in you. You're not thinking, you. know what? I think a Caesar salad with a. salmon's pretty good tonight. You're. like, somebody take me to In-N-Out, baby. Yeah, >> I relate. I used my my chef had a note. one night. We looked through all my. weight loss before this pod and uh he. had [snorts] a note where I went. drinking heavy one night and I was. probably 515 pounds and he was just like. even in his note he was like not. sustainable. He can never lose the.

weight drinking this weight. You know. what I mean? Like it was just Ian Larus. was just that. And he sat me down and. was like Bubba. >> I don't care what I feed you. I can't. out work. You get drunk and you eat. 3,000 calories of [ __ ] after you drink. 3,000 calories of tequila. >> Right. Right. >> You know what I mean? I was like I got. to quit drinking. Yeah. >> You know just just a stone cold thing I. had to come with. It's terrible for you. And when you see Bert with that enormous. belly, that's all just alcohol and in. inflammation. It's like so bad for you. And Bert's 50 now, you know. It's like.

>> And we got the same doctor. God. No. But. >> Yeah. But Bert don't listen. >> No. Now Bert don't listen. >> But he's also he's. >> he's also an athlete, though. The. problem with Bert is that that dude, this is what I love about Bert that. makes Bert so special is that Bert You. remember when he ran a half marathon or. marathon or something without training? Like. >> he ran a whole marathon without any. training at all. >> That's Bert. >> And he was fat. >> No, that's. >> he ran 26 miles. >> Yeah. This is just like Bert at who he. is. So. >> yeah, >> it's that really hard thing to tell a. guy. It's like, yo, be careful, Bubba. But it's also like he go bust the 10K.

out today if you made him just out of. spite. You know what I'm saying? Like. >> no, he's he's got extraordinary genetics. that he abuses. >> Mickey Manel Jane, dude. It's real, man. It's [ __ ] real, dog. [snorts]. >> Yeah. No, it is real. It is real, >> you know? But he's he's playing a game. that you can never win, >> right? >> You'll never win that game. That. eventually one day your your your heart. will go check, please. >> Yeah. >> And that's it. >> Yeah. >> You know, and hopefully he catches it. before that. >> Yeah. >> You know, and that's what everybody who.

loves him wants. >> Yeah. >> It's just he's got also got this mindset. that his whole success is connected to. him being this party animal. >> It's not though. It's connected to you. being Bert. It's connected to you being. one of the most genuine, sweet, funny. show up for you dudes I've ever met in. my life. >> Like six-pack or 400 pounds, dude. Your. heart is the size of a horse. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Like Bert Chryser. is the new friends. >> That's one of the ones I prayed for.

Bert Chryser, Cam Haynes. I prayed for. new friends. He sent me a bunch of. really cool ones. A bunch of wild ones. Joe Rogan, Tony Hitchcliffe, a bunch of. fuckups, but that were good dudes. >> You know what I'm saying? like real real. [snorts] slightly outside of normal. people but are great guys you know and. Bert Chryser is a great my his. friendship's done a lot for me I hope me. showing up he hasn't really he's seen me. but whenever at wrestling but I think. when I show up to this 5K and I do it in. 30 minutes I hope that's the moment. Bert's like all right baby I'm with you. jelly you know what I'm saying.

>> well he's just got to realize that his. success will always be there he doesn't. have to be drunk to have that success. like hearilious he'll he does sober. October sometimes and one time recently. he did it and he he called me up and. he's like, "Uh, I just haven't been. drinking. I feel so much better and I. really think I'm done." I go, "You. should be done, man. You don't need it. You don't need it." He's like, "You're. right. I think I'm done." And then, >> yeah, >> right back to it. Yeah. You know, it's. it's hard, but in those moments of. clarity, he realizes. >> maybe he'll hear this and that'll be it.

>> He's I think he's funny either way. >> Oh, he'll be funny. >> Yeah. I've woke up with He's hilarious. Yeah. It'll probably be more funny. >> Bird at breakfast to me is just funny as. bird at night. You know what I mean? Like. >> Oh, for sure. Same bird. >> Yeah, for sure. It's And healthier. It's. like. >> I've been very fortunate in life. One of. the most fortunate things though is the. group of people that I've been connected. to. It's very like we were talking about. that. It's very important. It's very.

important. And Bert is connected to a. lot of really good people. And hopefully. that will lead him on a similar I mean. everybody has their own timeline. Everybody has their own way of doing it. >> Yeah. Everybody has to have their own. moment too, you know. I had to have. mine. >> I just my thing for Bert or anybody out. there is that if you're just don't let. it get there if you can. >> Right. >> I just pray, man. If I I feel like I. don't think I'm making this up when I. say I think I was 6 to 12 months away. from missing it. >> Especially traveling, you know, I travel.

280 days a year, >> right? >> At 500 something pounds. Yeah. >> 200 something flights a year. 250. flights a year. I just I couldn't I. wasn't going to be able to do it. I knew. it. >> You know what I mean? >> And um. >> and lucky once again, I had a wife that. was just super supportive. She was. supportive through all the phases, though. But she was just like, "Yo, this. is time." [sighs]. >> And she went out of her way. The first. the first three months of the diet, I. probably left this part out because I'm. embarrassed about it, but I'll [ __ ] it. The first three months of the diet, I. had to sit down with her and go, "Look, I need you to hide the food. Like,

[laughter] I will find it." You know. what I'm saying? Like I need you to hide. the food. So her and my daughter Bailey. found like all these cool like I I still. don't know where they were. I never. found it. You know what I mean? But they. hid everything from me. Like there was. nights I'd walk in that pantry and it. would be like a banana. You know what. I'm saying? I'd be like the entire. pantry was gone. I'd be like fair. You. know what I mean? Like it was cool. But. once again, it goes back to the fox, the. mole, and the horse. I never asked for. help before, >> right? >> I never would get out of my own ego. enough. just say everything I was going. to do and then not do it and then get.

mad when they ask when they try to. encouragingly. >> But maybe even more importantly, you. were helping yourself. >> You It wasn't just you were asking for. help. You weren't asking for help while. you weren't doing anything. You were. asking for help while you were helping. yourself and they were like, "Okay, I. think he's really doing this.". >> That's it. >> Yeah. There's really a change going on. And let's try to help. >> rainw walk. >> Yeah. >> Whenever they Yeah. You don't have to. go. And then when I went, they cheered. >> it. It's a great moment that it did. happen in the rain, you know, because it. makes it even more significant. It makes. it more, you know, meaningful.

>> Made it so real. And I keep mentioning. God because my faith in him grows so. much stronger every day. But. >> I truly believe that that was a God. thing. >> You know what I mean? That almost this. weird thing that's like, you know, you. walk out and be like, you know what? >> Even the hill, dude, I've I've I've. lived on hills my whole life and never. walked up one. >> I'm from Tennessee. They're nothing but. hills. I go downhill. That's what I do. It's a fat person trait. You know what. I'm saying? we look cooler, move faster, you know, >> and immediately just like, "No, man. We're hitting hills, dude." Like, every.

time I can hit a hill, I'm I'm now. looking for hills in life. You know what. I mean? Like, I'm looking for like, "How. can I make this run a little harder?". Like when Cam tells me we're at mile. five, he's like, "I'm proud of you did. your PR." I was like, "We better do 6'2. then, baby. It ain't a 10K if we don't. do another mile.2." You know what I. mean? Like immediately I was like, "We. got to go." Yeah, it's just been it's. the it's the it's the effort, but. >> helping the self, knowing you want to. change, and then not being afraid to. just go ask, not being ashamed to just. go to your wife cuz that's a little. embarrassing. >> and be like, "Hey,

>> can you just like had the dark. chocolate?" And they're who dark. chocolate bars. Bunnies extremely. healthy. You know what I mean? Like has. always been them who jock bars are so. good. But the problem is I don't know. how to eat one. They're only 380. calories. But if there's five of them in. there, right, >> I will eat all five for sure. You know. what I'm saying? You know, so some. nights she'd leave me a little half a. bar [snorts] out or something, you know. what I mean? Like rations until I until. I could control it. >> Until I knew that. And then now now my. pantry's back full. >> Well, now you're addicted to the success. of what you've already accomplished. >> Which is a good addiction.

>> It's a good addiction. >> Being addicted to being healthy is the. best addiction you could find. Because I. don't think you're going to get out of. the addiction mindset. I think what. addiction is, I think there's a reason. why it exists in the human mind. And I. think it exists because it's the same. thing as obsession. And obsession allows. you to be a successful hunter. It's like. hunter's persistence. If you don't have. that obsessive drive, you won't keep. going until you're succeeding. And if.

you do, if you do have that, you'll feed. your family. If you don't have that, everybody dies. >> I [clears throat] think that's like. programmed into the human psyche. It's. programmed into human mind. But it can. be hijacked by gambling. It could be. hijacked by pornography. It could be. hijacked by video games. It could be. hijacked by a host of different things. Drugs, alcohol, anything, food, fill, fill in the blank. I think that that is. where it happens. You get addicted to. all kinds of things that are negative or.

you can get addicted to positive things. >> Meaningful conversations. Yes. Exercising. I'm addicted to meaningful. conversations now. >> I used to be addicted to small talk. It's hard to find them, >> you know, >> stuff like this, like meaningful, like. rich. I'm I'm searching for rich. conversations. >> Even in my relationships with my wife, like. >> in my health, like our conversations are. getting deeper. Yes. >> You know what I mean? Like we're like, I. never thought I could know this woman I. love so much better. But I'm getting to. know her better. Like, we're getting.

deeper in the foxhole together. We're. getting deeper in the in the shadows of. each other's crevices. It's like, >> I'm looking for that. I'm looking to. pour into people, man. It's just dude. >> Yeah, it's that's another thing about. phones that makes it very difficult, you. know, for people to have meaningful. conversations because everybody's so. attached to their goddamn devices. Even. while you're talking to them, they're. checking this and checking that. You. feel you're going, "Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's real. Oh, yeah." And they're just. scrolling and half paying attention to. you.

>> It's a lot. It's a lot. It's hard. It's. like one of the things that I've said. about this podcast is like one of the. most unexpected things about it is this. education that I've got in talking to. people uh not just like listening to. their stories and listening to whatever. their expertise is and but it's also. just the learning how to talk to people. >> Yeah. >> Because you're sitting here for 3 hours. or whatever it is with no distractions. and no interruptions and because of that. you learn this sort of eb and flow of.

human conversation. So for me, it's so. hard to have a bad conversation when I'm. out with people that are bad at having. conversations. To me, it's [ __ ]. painful. It's like, oh god. >> Yeah. [groaning]. >> It's like I It drives me crazy. It's so. when watching people talk over people, watching people that aren't listening, they're just waiting for their time to. talk. Like. >> Yeah. >> It's such a connection, man. And and a. lot of those people that are missing.

that is goes into. These the the byproducts of lack of. connection are addiction, isolation, uh loneliness. Um these are the side. effects of not connecting with people. Yes. >> You know what I mean? And that phone has. tricked us into thinking that we're. connecting with thousands of people, >> right? >> And we're actually not connecting with. anybody, >> not connecting with a single person. >> We're we're being more lonely and more. comparative. >> It's a trap. >> Yeah. >> It's a real trap because you're you're.

getting input. There's some input, there's some words that come from a. person, I guess. And so, but there's no. human like we're designed to talk to. each other this way. >> Yeah. >> The the the the spiritual fulfillment, the psychological fulfillment that comes. from talking to a human being and making. a a genuine connection and understanding. more about that person. And then by also. doing that, you understand more about. yourself. Like when someone reveals. something to you that's very meaningful. and very intimate, like you go, "Oh, wow." Wow. Like what is it about? Why.

does that maybe I could be better at. that? Maybe I could do this or maybe I. could maybe I'm looking at myself the. wrong way or looking at people the wrong. way. And you know, and you just like. this slow learning process of how to. interact with people better. And it's. it's that's all kids today that are on. their phone all day long. They're the. psychologically stunted. Yeah. >> You know, this we're stunting their. social growth and their development of. just most people don't most kids today.

don't barely know how to communicate. with each other. >> No, especially even long form like this. It's the ability to really get you don't. really know how somebody feels about. something until you really get into a. convers like a real conversation. And. these kids. >> aren't having those conversations with. each other. It's all in micro clips and. micro spots. And me and my daughter talk. about this a lot cuz lucky for I was I. was blessed that she's a. conversationalist. She's kind of she's. like me. She will have a meaningful. conversation. So I'm I'm But I look at.

my nine-year-old who's a little younger. than her. Obviously she's 17. My. daughter goes to college next year. And. my nine-year-old's a little different. though. He doesn't He communicates good, but he's still in that, you know, video. game world. Like he just It's a. different thing where Bailey. >> still really appreciates to sit around. the I don't know, man. I grew up in a. household where we I told you the story. My mom would sit at the kitchen table. >> and tell us stories like me and you are. talking right now for hours. >> We had a JRE every night. You know what. I'm saying? You know, she'd smoke. cigarettes and tell stories and it was.

just like super charming. And. >> you know, it's um so my daughter grew up. a lot like that and I'm really proud of. that. you know that that she grew up. sitting in a room and having those kind. of calmer like real long form because. that's how you know how you really feel. about it's what therapy did for me too. >> was whenever I quit doing things at a. surface level when it started going yeah. that's cool but like really when was the. first time you remember being fat. >> I think people have a hunger for it. which is why um this emergence of long.

form conversations into the zeitgeist. has been surprising to a lot of people. because you know when when I first. started doing this podcast. One of the. funny things that Ari Shafir always said. to me that I'll never let him live it. down cuz he was always like, "You got to. edit your show." I go, "Why?" He goes, "Nobody wants to listen to three hours.". I go, "Then don't listen. I don't care.". I go, "It's I'm doing it for no money. anyway." Like back then it was like it. was it was costing me money. I was like, "I'm just doing it for fun, man. I don't. care. I put it out there. If they don't. want to listen to the whole thing, they. don't have to listen to the whole thing.

There's another one coming out in a. couple days. Listen to that one. Listen. to five minutes. I don't give a fuck.". Right? >> And he was like, "You should edit it. it's going to [ __ ] up your show. And I'm. like, all right, whatever. And then now. I'm like, remember when you told me. that? Haha. >> Because I don't think that people. realize how many people are starving for. real conversation cuz the, you know, this is one of the reasons why like when. that Kla Harris thing went down where I. had Trump on the podcast and Kla Harris. kept resisting coming on the podcast,

they wanted to do it for like 45. minutes. They wanted to do it in a. conference room with a bunch of aids. around. They wanted to do it in DC. I. was like, "No, no, I it has to be here. and it has to be three hours, right?". Like, she's got to sit down like cuz it. takes a while to get inside someone's. head. You got to if you talk, you could. [ __ ] me for 40 minutes. >> Easy. >> For 40 minutes, you could have a bunch. of canned speeches and a bunch of [ __ ]. you prepared and a bunch of like.

[ __ ] answers, but. >> I'll ask you like what you like to cook. Yeah. I'll ask you like, "Do you. exercise?" I'll ask you, "What's your. favorite book?" I'll ask you like all. kinds of different things. And then. we'll start talking. We'll start talking. about like, "Did you ever think you were. going to be this person?" Like what what. you know what what led you here? Like. what? And give me some real [ __ ] Give. me some real [ __ ]. >> Well, you can't This is why I've always. loved your pod is that it's where I go. find out who people are. >> Yeah. Because it's so easy and I'm in.

the media, right, >> to go sit down for 20 minutes and like. >> smile and dance. >> Smile. Just get it out of the way. You. know what I mean? Like Yeah. Exactly. [laughter]. >> But it's like you give me three hours. with somebody, >> they got to show me who they are. >> Yeah. >> Somebody's Joe's going to find out who. this person is. You know what I mean? Like he's gonna It's like. >> and that's back to like because we don't. know who we are until we start having. real conversations. This goes back to. back to where me and you started with. this is that we don't know who we are. >> until you started having real I don't. know how it started whether it was in.

the green room with some of your comic. friends you were like dude we have the. greatest conversations in here we should. do this you know what I mean like these. are funny I don't know but something. happened where you recognize like. >> this is rare that people have. conversations this funny this good but. also this cathartic like there's moments. we've laughed we've cried like it's. every podcast of yours you know what I. mean where because you can't spend three. hours with somebody and not see the full. dynamic human. >> Yeah. I think there's a hunger that. people have for finding out that other. people have similar thoughts to them and. how and maybe not even maybe different.

thoughts in similar situations and that. someone has had a better way of. approaching something and it's. educational like to your soul. There's. something about it about like we all. want to pretend that we exist in a. vacuum and everyone wants to pretend. they're a loner and I'd rather be alone. Like shut up. >> No, you wouldn't. You'd only rather be. alone if the people around you suck, right? If the people around me suck, yeah, I'd rather be alone, but I have. great friends. I like being around my. friends. It's like it's it's not shallow.

to want to be around a bunch of awesome. people. But there's this thought that. like, you know, that we we are that we exist. on our own. And you don't. We're a. collective like the human species. itself is a hive and it's one of the. things we're learning about the negative. impacts of that hive being connected to. social media because you're not really. connecting with people but we're also.

experiencing this thing that's similar. to a hive and so there's a a a writer. Avi Levvenovitz who talks about this and. the way he described it described it. rather is that it's like processed food. you're getting processed information and. instead of real information like on. social media, you're getting this. processed thing that's boiled down with. no nutrients in it, but you keep. consuming it because you're so hungry. because you're not getting the real.

thing. You're just stuffing your face. with stuffing your mind with processed. information. And I think that's an apt. way to put it because that's really. what's going on. It's like we all want. real connection. We're just worried. We're worried that someone's going to. reject us. We're worried that someone's. going to be rude to us. We're wor. worried that someone's judging us. that. someone's going to think they're better. than us or that they're going to think. we lack or what whatever it is. There's. this like there's a thing that we all. hunger for. And I think for a lot of.

people the what they get if they don't. have it near them if they haven't done. what you've done and found a great group. of friends, they can get it through. podcasts. They can get it through people. talking and communicating and being real. and and being interested and being. curious and learning and just being. being cool to each other and and if it's. it's heartwarming. It's like it fills. something in you that we're that we're. missing because we're being poisoned by.

these [ __ ] devices. >> and we're only seeing these little. snippets of people like back to the. conversation like we see comments x. amount like a paragraph and then we. people building entire thoughts around a. paragraph and you don't even know what. that dude's thought was. It's just a. paragraph on the internet. You didn't. actually talk to that guy to see. >> what that was. You know what I mean? Like it's it's that that. thing of like I had it I I don't I. didn't plan on talking about this but. it's a perfect time because I learned. such a lesson in it. I was on my laptop.

one day on instagram.com and it was the. day of the dove awards which is a. Christian music awards and I had a. gospel song get nominated for Grammy. this year. >> What's it called the dove awards? >> The dove do awards. >> Dove awards. >> and it's like the Christian Grammys. >> Okay. >> It's been around for a long time. Gospel. music association. I have a I did a song. with a Christian artist this year named. Brandon Lake. It's called Hard Fought. Hallelujah. It's I got to sing it at the. Vatican, Joe. >> Oh wow. >> I got to sing this. Will you pull that. clip, Jamie, of meat? >> At the Vatican. >> I sang in St. Peter Square, Joe.

>> Oh my god. >> First live concert ever in St. Peter. Square. Right outside of St. Peter. St. Peter's Basilica was our This is it. >> Wow. >> Right here. Watch. >> St. Peter's Basilica. >> Look, that's the Basilica right there. >> I got goose. Look at that. That's the. square, Bubba. That's Vatican City. >> Look [snorts] at this. >> That's incredible. I will tell you. >> that's incredible. >> Biasly, it might have been my best vocal. performance of my career. >> Wow. >> Look at that, Joe. >> But you're already losing weight by. then. >> Yeah. No, for sure. This was about 6.

months ago. Shows you how much I've lost. since then. >> You look like a different person even. now to then, >> dude. What's funny when you're 5. [laughter]. when you're 500 lb, you lose 20 lb. You. don't really see it. [snorts] But when. beautiful, >> dude. I I went out to soundcheck, Joe. And of course, y'all know I'm emotional. by now. But I couldn't even get through. sound check. I was crying so hard. But. watch this part right here. You'll see. my hand shaking. I'm shaking up there. You see it? >> Wow. >> I am shaking. My You see the mic? Watch. the microphone hand cuz it's the one. that doesn't lie. Y'all know that. >> The other one you can shake while you're.

moving it, but the microphone hand, look. at it. >> Yeah, man. >> Rocking, dude. >> Wow. >> It was um. >> Wow. >> And I'll tell you a story about this. >> Incredible. I know I keep bringing up. God things, but they called me to do. this and it was um Forel [snorts] and. Andrea Bachelli put this together. Okay. And I love Forel. He's a dear dear. became a friend of mine. Sweet guy. And. I go, "Okay, cool." And I get there and. Teddy Swims is there and Jennifer Hudson. Teddy. >> Teddy Swims is the dude, baby. >> Oh man, that dude's got a voice. >> He's got a voice, dog. It is rid You had.

him on yet? >> No, we've been talking though. We're. going to do it. >> Please. His next album. Bring him for. his next He's a He's a good. conversation, too, man. I believe it. >> Sweet soul. Little Georgia boy. >> Just southerners. Southerners collar. greens. You're going to love him. He's. just like me. >> He reminds me of you. >> He's he's the sweetest. >> That [ __ ] Sing his ass off. >> It's not fair. >> It's not fair. I want him to sing with. Belli. And I mean, if you're standing. next to Bachelli and you got a voice, think about that. >> So, I get there and I'm like, "All. right, so what's the story here?" And.

every everybody was either singing with. Forel or Bachelli, but me. I was the. only person in that whole event that was. singing alone. So I get super nervous. I'm like why did I end up alone? >> You know what I'm saying? I was like. [laughter]. I was like I was like oh [ __ ] If. Brandon Lake couldn't make it for some. reason. I was like this is bad. I have. never been more nervous. I go out for. soundcheck. I'm balling crying and I'm. like dude this is so crazy. And then I. walk out and I'm like, when I go to do.

it, right before I go out, they come to. me and go, "Hey, Jennifer Hudson's going. to come out at the very end and do. Hallelujah with you or just do. Hallelujah. You just praise for a minute. while she does it." I was like, "The. Jennifer Hudson?" They were like, "Yeah." I was like, "So, Jennifer Hudson. walks over to me. [snorts] I love her.". She goes, >> "All right, what do you want?" She's so. sweet. She's like, "I'm open for notes. You got any suggestions?" It's one of. the greatest female vocalists ever. I do. not have a suggestion. We'll start. there. I am Jennifer, I'm embarrassed. You have to sing near me, [laughter] but. you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, and she goes, and then it hit me and I.

looked at her and I'll never forget this. moment. She goes, "What do you think we. should do?" I said, "We give him Jesus.". I said, "I think that's why I'm here. alone. I think, you know, I'm the one. that's supposed to bring Jesus here.". Like I know it's a Jesus thing. obviously, but like. >> we're supposed This is supposed to be a. She grew up in the South, too. She grew. up Chicago, you know, she grew up. Midwest. And I go, "This is supposed to. be the church we grew up in, Jennifer.". She was like, "That's all I needed to. hear.". Oh, Joe. Just when I had the best vocal. performance of my life, Jennifer Hudson. comes out and takes them to church. We.

It's a full praise and worship at that. point. >> Wow. >> 200 choir members, hands up in the sky. We're in front of St. Peter's facility. They're worshiping out there, dude. Hands are in the sky, dude. It was. >> It would watch it after the show if you. can. It's It's worth five minutes. It'll. It'll make you tear up a little bit, dude. It was like. >> It made me tear up right now. >> It was Oh, dude. It was such a Jesus. moment. And I [snorts] even started I'm. looking at the cardinal. going, "Can we. get a little praise for Jesus in here. tonight? Can we get a little praise for. Jesus in here tonight?" And I am just, you can see the veins in my face, Joe. I.

don't remember it. I just was just. there. You know what I mean? Like, it's. just. >> Wow. >> I just literally. look right then. And this is where. Jennifer Hudson's going to come out. >> Wow. >> There's people lined up in the street, too. This is wild. >> Oh, dude. What you don't see is the only. reason you don't see people on the side. streets is because they finally got rid. of them. When it first opened, there was. like all over Rome. You just could not. move. Like like 600 700,000 people were.

down there trying to see this thing. It. was the first time they've ever done. live music at the Vatican. >> That's crazy. >> I could not believe I got that call, Joe. >> That's crazy. >> And then when I got there, I was I just. kept being more confused. I was like, hold on. I'm the only one that's not. singing with the two people that put. this event together. literally the only. artist cuz Jennifer Hudson sang with. him, Teddy sang with him. I was like, "What am I here for?" You know what I'm. saying? I just could not figure it out. I I never had more imposttor syndrome. >> Wow. >> And I I prayed and I was like, "God, I. cuss. I smoke. I am I don't How am I How.

am I being a vessel here?" Like, I don't. like And then that's whenever I was just. I heard it just so clear like, "Dude, just just open your hands. Just. >> Yeah. Got you. >> Yeah. I want to play you something. So, you. remember that Craig Morgan moment where. you you talked about it when [snorts]. you were on stage at the opery? >> Oh, yeah. Almost home. >> Yeah. >> It's one of the coolest movies ever. >> Let's play that. I I want to play that. because we're going to show you. something. >> I want to show you something. Um that.

was a really powerful moment because you. were talking about how you would listen. to that song in prison, you know, and um. and how you went to the oprey and you. sat there. I think you were in the. seventh row. Is that. >> seventh row? Exactly where I was. Sixth. or seventh. I was right back there stage. left. >> And you and you talked about it when you. were on stage. The first time you were. ever on stage at the oprey. I want to. play that first and we're going to play. you something else.

>> [snorts]. >> Yeah, it was crazy, dude. >> Do you have it, Jamie? You want me to. send it to you? [snorts]. >> Yo, while you're looking that up, can I. do something right quick? I'm in love. >> My wife's got a book coming out. Everybody's called Stripped Down. It's. coming out in February. She finally. wrote her life story. I've never been. more proud of a human in my life, y'all. I'm so proud of you, baby. >> In February, >> you deserve this girl. >> Beautiful. [laughter]. >> I brought you a copy. >> It's a drive here. It took me 36 years. to make it to the stage. [cheering]. >> Big jelly. 500 lb. is the most special.

>> Yes, sir. >> night about life. [cheering]. [applause]. >> We're going to sing y'all some music for. the soul from the soul. This song is. called Son OF A SINNER, BABY. >> YES, SIR. [cheering]. >> LET'S GO. >> You got that plaque? [music]. I never [music] get lonely.

I got these girls to keep me company. I. took the rece. [cheering]. [applause]. I'm going to be more honest than I. probably should be. In 2008, I was. incarcerated in a local penitentiary. I. had made some horrible decisions. I found strength. >> in music. [cheering]. [applause].

Jelly. [cheering and applause]. Jelly [cheering]. [screaming] tell. [cheering]. >> while incarcerated. I had a little girl. She's in the crowd tonight. She's now 13. years old. [cheering] I remember sitting.

in my jail bunk when I knew she was born. and thinking I had to do something to. change my life. I came home and I. pursued the dream of music by selling. mixtapz and t-shirts out of the trunk of. my car. right here in Nashville, Tennessee. [cheering]. [applause]. >> I married my best friend. We have full. custody of that 13-year-old now. [cheering]. [applause]. And in that jail cell, I found strength. in country music. I used to listen to. Craig Morgan sing Almost Home in my jail. cell and think, I'm going to change my. life when I get home. I came home and.

Googled Craig Morgan live performance. and he was right here at the Grand Old. Opry. I sat right there with that man. with the ball cap and the seventh row. back on this row is sitting no line. I. watched Craig Morgan cry. [cheering]. For those of y'all that don't know, I. make music for the broken. I make music. for the have nots and the lost causes in. life. The ones that have been through. something and overcame it. If you. haven't been that person, you know. somebody who has. And I represent that. person. I want to dedicate this song to. everybody who's ever felt worthless and.

found their way out of that dark place. This record is certified gold. It is. called Save Me. Thank [cheering] you. [applause]. >> [music and singing]. >> me from myself.

I spent so long. living [music] in hell. They say my liyle. is bad for my hair. [music]. It's the only thing. that seems [music] to me. All of this drinking and [music] smoking.

is hopeless, but feel like it's all that. I need. Something inside of me [music] is. broken. I hold on to anything that sets. me free. I'm a [music]. >> reporter. [singing]. Brian from Zan [music]. >> Dorfman baby.

[music]. [singing]. >> What is it like seeing yourself, >> dude? >> What is it like seeing yourself that big. and seeing yourself in that. >> huge moment? one. I love you, man. You. tricked me again. I was I thought we. were getting off the pod, so I was like, "Oh, I just want to shout my wife's book. out right quick." And then you were show. me video.

>> I'm gonna show you something else, too. >> I didn't think I'd make a joke. I'm. going to show you this. My buddy, >> give me some volume. >> I need to say congratulations on all the. great things happening in your career. and to thank you for the positive. difference you're making in the lives of. so many people who need the help. You're. doing great work, buddy. and I'll never. forget meeting you on the Grand Library. and how much it meant to me to hear you. say my music helped you get through some. really tough times. That's one thing. country music does really well.

And who would have ever dreamed back. then that I'd be back at the Opry House. today to say Jelly Roll, you're. officially invited to become a member of. the Grand Old Opry. It's an honor to say. welcome to the family, brother. >> He wanted to play that for you [snorts]. when you're here. >> Have a [snorts] hug.

>> Yeah, for sure. >> I love you, too. I love you too, brother. >> Hey Joe, that's like it don't get no. bigger in country music. Bubba, it's as. big as a kiss. Yo, you know what? [ __ ] grand old dog. Oh, dude. I used to buy tickets to go. there. And I remember I Google.

Man, I cried a lot on this pot. So, >> I [snorts] Googled um Craig Morgan. I'd. heard almost home in jail. And uh you've. heard the song, right? >> It is like the most tearjerking song. about a homeless man. >> And it just reminded me of jail, you. know, no matter where you are at the. Mind Strong. And it just I came home and. a song that so much I was like Craig. Morgan live. It's like Grand Old Opry. House. And I was like, I'll go. Could. barely afford tickets. I think I talked. some girl on about them for me. I went. and sat by myself. I had an ankle.

bracelet on. So the show went off at. 9:00. I had to be home at 9. So I was. like, if he's the last one, I'm screwed. and he comes out and sings Almost Home. And I had. I'm not bullshitting. I'd maybe cried 10. times in my life at that point. And I. cried. I cried. I cried like I'm crying here now. And um. I just remember thinking, man, I want to make people what. I can't believe I made a member of the. Hyperdog. Um [snorts].

I want to make people feel the way he. makes me feel. That's what I want to do. >> Well, you've done that, man. [snorts]. You've done it, brother. >> But did it, Joe? Man, that's crazy, Joe. >> Oh, dude. [ __ ] [laughter]. >> Oh, dude. I bet I'm the first person. ever got invited to their offer on. podcast. >> Yeah, >> that's awesome. >> Oh, sorry. Sit with me for a second. I. just I figured. >> you did it, brother. >> Dude, that uh.

>> you did what you wanted to do. that. feeling that he gave you, you've given. to many, many people. [snorts] It's an incredible gift. You know, there's such so few people in. life that have touched people the way. you've touched people. >> Thank you, Joe. Man, it was just what a. dream, dude. I used to I used to write. on my vision board my wife first got. together that your podcast was the. number one thing I wanted to do every. year because I always felt like I'd have.

a Joe Dirt moment on here, you know. [laughter] I always felt like somewhere. I'd be sitting here telling my story and. the world would be tuning in, you know, [snorts] and it be [ __ ] the fact that. I'm on your podcast. Fact, you're my. friend, dude. >> I love you, brother. >> Love you, brother. Thank you, man. Of. course, thanks for letting me on the. podcast, but I just never thought this. was a journey, dude. I thought I'd die. young or I thought I'd kill myself. I. didn't think I was going to be able to. figure it out. [snorts]. >> You figured it out and you're figuring. it out more every day. >> Every day, brother. >> And I think through that, other people. are as well.

>> I hope so. >> They're figuring out their life. For. sure. Just through your songs, through. your words, through your acts, through. your deeds, through your life, through. the way you've chosen this new path. [snorts]. >> For sure. For sure. You're changing. people's lives. >> I hope, man. And I. >> You are You are changing people's lives. I will tell you 100% without doubt, you. are changing people's lives and you're. enriching people's lives by being you. By being a real person going through a. real life moment.

>> Yeah. >> You know, and uh and doing it the right. way. >> Yes, sir. >> Yeah. >> Slow. It's not easy. >> No, it doesn't have to be easy. >> Telling the truth ain't always fun. >> No, no, no, [laughter] no. It's not It's. not supposed to be easy. If it was easy, it wouldn't be so fun. >> Gratifying though, man. >> Yeah, >> dude. [snorts]. God. Joe, man. A member OF THE GRAND OLD. OPRY, DOG. [laughter] MY NAME ON THE. SHEEP, BUBBA. When you come in the back. of the Grand Old Opry, they have them. all. And um I'm shaking, Joe. Like when. that deer was in the stand. Uh they have. these plaques that they put the name on.

and the first wall is only got two rows. left of plaques. >> Wow. >> I played there a couple months ago and I. remember looking going thinking to. myself, the negative guy in me was like, "Fuck, I'm going to I'm going to be on. the new wall. If I ever make it, it. won't be on this one." You know what I. mean? You [laughter] know, it's just like even. then I was having a moment. I was like, if they ever actually, you know, I never. thought I like when um when Jordan and. Jen invited me to the Grand Old Opry, I. I never thought that would happen. I. never thought that I'd be allowed to. play the Grand Old Opry, you know what I. mean?

>> Yeah. >> And then to be a member of it. And I'll. never forget watching Luke Combmes when. they asked him to be a member and just. just like I think it's the first time I. ever seen Luke emotional, you know? And. I just remember being like, "Nah, it'll. never happen." Just like I remember. looking at Cam like I'll never be able. to run a 5K or you know what I mean like. >> like man I don't know it can happen dude. man if God gets involved you have a. little humility I think the rest can. work itself out Joe you know what I mean. >> amazing things can happen if you live. your life true.

>> baby amazing things can happen if you. live your life true [snorts]. I know you don't leave Texas much but. you going to come see me at oper. sometime now. >> [ __ ] it 100%. >> you got to come see me now that I'm a. member dude Dude, that means I get to. close the show. >> 100%. >> I get to send my mail there now, too. >> Wow. >> Legally. Yeah. It's crazy, dude. Hey, like all the OG's got their mail there, Johnny and them. >> Wow. >> It was like really, really cool. It's. like a super legend there. >> That's awesome. >> So, anybody wants to write me a letter, send it to the Grand Old Opry. [laughter].

>> Oh my god. >> Oh, [snorts] dude. That's incredible. >> Oh, that's. Man, that's I didn't even dream of it. God will God will God will make things. bigger than your dreams. Somebody out. there right now is dreaming of something. and it's too small. Dream bigger, baby. Dream bigger, baby. You know what I. mean? >> That's it. >> Let's wrap it up. That was perfect way. to end this. No, >> I love you, brother. >> Thank you, brother. Man, >> been amazing.

[ __ ] no. Bye, everybody. >> [music].