Joe Rogan Experience #2417 - Ben van Kerkwyk

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. ALL DAY. [Music]. AND. speaking of last So, last time you were. on, we barely scratched the surface of all. the things that we wanted to talk about. So, immediately we're like, we got to do. another one quick. Because you wanted to. talk to me about the Sphinx. >> The Sphinx, yes. Yeah, we were on we got. into the Well, the labyrinth was kind of. the big. >> Labyrinth is nuts. I still haven't been. able to get over it. The 40-m metallic.

shaped Tic Tac type Tic Tac shaped thing. Yeah. >> that's in the ground. Like, what is. that? >> Well, I hope we'll find out. I mean, I I. don't know. It's it's the wheels do turn. a little slowly, but I'm the the point. of that was to try and drive some. awareness. Maybe we'll get some sort of. angel investor in there to go and look. at it and solve the problem. Do. something. Someone needs to talk to. Elon. Yeah, maybe. >> I'm I'm not the guy. I talked to him too much as it is. He's. too busy. But, someone who can annoy him. >> Yeah, he's. >> Yeah, someone or maybe Bezos would like. to be the first guy to get in there.

They Someone has to get in there. You. have to figure out what that thing is. That's crazy. This might be one of the. biggest mysteries in the entire human. civilization record. >> who's the guy who's the director that. went to the bottom of the I forgot. Oh, Cameron. Cameron. I mean, he likes going. places that nobody's gone before. They. dig a hole and get down. Maybe Someone. should do it. They just I don't think. enough people know. For A lot of people. know that we're listening to this. podcast, but not enough people that. would do something that can do. something. You know what I mean? It's. like we we reach a lot of knuckleheads.

We reach a lot of. with some wide variety of people. But, the percentage of people that have the. resources to. They have to make something happen. They. have to work something out with the. Egyptian government, right? So, they. have to do something with those dams. Yes, well, and you don't have No, I. don't think it takes the dams. You would. have to remediate the water on the site. at least like somehow box it out, right? You got to drain You'd have to drain. this massive area. Or at least if you. were targeted enough, you might be able. to drain a a smaller area to then. excavate in that area. We should. probably explain to people that didn't. listen to the last podcast. Just a real.

quick synopsis of what this is. >> So, the labyrinth it's it's We're. talking about the great lost labyrinth. of ancient Egypt, which was described by. figures like Herodotus, Diodorus. Siculus, Pliny the Elder. Figures from antiquity, these authors, and and they described it as being. greater in magnificence than the. pyramids. Like, they they had these just. mind-bending. descriptions of what this site was. Like, multiple levels, 3,000 rooms. You. would get lost in it. It had giant. courtyards with pillars that all made. from I mean, one guy, I think it was.

Strabo, described the roof as being a. single piece of stone, which I don't. think it was, but it it's describing it. as perfect joins that you see in the the. real megalithic work from Egypt. So, it's this giant mystery. We know it's. there, and it was kind of lost to time. until uh we found it again, basically. It was discovered It was always known. about because there were clues about its. location. It was always theorized to. have been at this place called Hawara, uh which is near the Fayum in in Egypt. And, you know, Petrie went there and dug. it up. Flinders Petrie in the late.

1800s, early 1900s, and he found massive. stone slabs, and he thought he was. standing on its foundation like it's. been quarried and taken away. And it's rather than that that he was It. turns out he was most likely standing on. the roof of like the top layer. It was. like 10 m below the ground. >> is so nuts. >> in. But, then in the Mataha expedition. happened, I think in the the mid like. 2017 or 2015. There was an expedition. run by a guy a guy named Luis de Cordier. in partnership with the with the. Egyptian government. They used. ground-penetrating radar, sonic.

techniques, like well-established. subsurface techniques. And they found. it. They found these massive cyclopean. walls that were meters thick. It was a. labyrinthian structure. It's it's well. verified. It's below the water table. level of what's on that site now. So, you have water table sort of 5 m below. the surface. The labyrinth starts at 9. 10 m. And that was there was some controvers. some controversy around that report. because it was buried. Like, so he found. it. They They never published the. report. It was squashed by the WAS. This.

is according to Louis de Cordier. Uh he. threatened. uh him and his team with national. security sanctions if they talked about. it. They it it just was put away. He. waited a few years. He finally released. the report. It's like, holy holy [ __ ]. we found the labyrinth. And then this. then. spurred some other companies to to use. some of these new space-based scanning. techniques. There's been at least two. that have been done. Very different. techniques, but they found the same. thing. They found that there is in fact. a massive underground structure at this. place called Hawara. It goes much deeper. than what you could reach with those.

ground-penetrating radar and those. established techniques. 60 70 m below the ground. There's. multiple levels, three or four levels. And they correlate Like, so one scan is. a statistical model. Another one is a. that uses high-frequency photography. along with uh I think seismic data. Very. similar to the Doppler tomography work. that's being done by the Italians at uh. places like like the Giza Plateau now. And they both correlate. Yes, there's a. big structure, but one of the most. interesting facts that came out of this. scan was it seems like in this massive. central atrium that's that's this one.

big giant open room, 40 50 m long, that's connects to all of these levels, there seems to be this unidentified. metallic object that's freestanding in. this room. It's about 40 m long, and it. seems to be Tic Tac shaped is what it is. what this report said. So, It's a. [ __ ] UFO. It's a UFO in Egypt. >> Aliens did it. I Yeah, I don't know. I mean, could you. Could you imagine. Could you imagine if they get in there. and they really do find a recovered. spacecraft?

Yeah, then what What do we do then? Because if this is a public excavat. That's the the question. We would have. to bring in the seals. We we need to. like lock that place down. Maybe we need. to occupy Egypt just to figure out how. to [ __ ] get this done. >> Occupy Hawara. Let's let's let's just. Just Hawara. You'd have to occupy the. whole country. You'd have to bribe them, something. Give them money. Whatever you. got to do. Like, if I if I.

was the president, that would be like my. number one priority. >> I mean, it Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it has the I think. there's been a little bit more of this. from Egypt. They. the I guess the establishment there they. seem a little more willing to engage in. the mystery. I genuinely do think that. that's that discoveries like these can.

can only help and boost tourism. Like, it's going to What they want is to bring. people. >> the three I Atlas. The uh yeah. >> The thing that's off-gassing some nickel. nickel alloy or something. It's a giant. nickel the size of Manhattan. It's yes, that's that's jetting towards the sun. Although, didn't didn't NASA came in. they think they released their images, I. think, recently. I can't remember. >> There's some images. >> that came out and said, "Oh, the comet's. doing this and doing that." They called. it a comet. >> Um but, it definitely seems to be a. comet. Unless you ask Avi Loeb, and he's. like, "Anything can be a spaceship.".

He's got a point. He's got a point. >> We don't know what one would look like. We've not seen. I mean, it's a small. sample size as it is for interstellar. objects, right? We have three to to. compare. But, two of them have been. really [ __ ] weird. So, I think the. point we're getting at is, and this is. the point of all these conversations, is. that there's some stuff that is yet to. be discovered that has previously been. discovered that might be like it might. blow the dam down on all this stuff. To. the point where like, okay, whatever you.

think happened here, a lot more. happened, and it seems a way crazier. If. the stuff underneath the Giza Plateau is. correct, and if the stuff the which is. like, what? And if if the labyrinth if. they can show you that this not only was. Herodotus depicting an an actual place, but we can show it to you, and it's. preserved, and it's been under the water. for 50 years. Yeah, it it would be. amazing. And and yes, I think some of. these things would knock down um. everything. That it's it's a house of. cards, right? It's There I I think there.

are. there are elements of that that are in. that that are obvi I mean, not obvious, but they're people can explore them, and. it starts to knock down the house of. cards. It's how people end up with this. just looking at the contradictions in. ancient Egypt. But, there there are. other examples of. what I would say like these things like. the Mataha expedition that have been. discovered, but then sort of covered up. and kept secret. And a lot of them have. to do with You have the same tie-in with. these ancient stories and. and and accounts from history, not just.

from the the the Roman and Greek. uh historians, but also the Arab. historians like Al-Masudi, for example, the Herodotus of the Arabs they called. him. You know, he he talked about tales. of these tunnels and chambers beneath. the Sphinx. That there were. there were ruins beneath the Sphinx that. then led out to like three different. tunnels. You have uh a number of other. Arab historians from as far back as like. 600 AD that that have stories of of. getting into the pyramids and then. getting lost in tunnels and chambers. beneath them. Jeez.

Yeah, I mean, there's there's a lot of. these crazy You hear these stories of. like the Hall of Records, right? The. people um like Edgar Cayce, the the the. American psychic in the 1940s who um. you know, he would Edgar Have you heard. of Edgar Cayce? You must have. Yeah, he's So, he he would fall into these. trance-like states, and he'd have these. visions. He's called like the the. sleeping prophet they would call him. Or. he's like one of the American psychic. And he wasn't just about things about. around Egypt. He did he did prophesize. and and talk about locations for three.

halls of records, which were these. Atlantean. um caches of information, like a. pre-diluvian civilization. He did call. it Atlantis. But, he would also have these. predictions about the stock market, and. and a lot of people made a lot of money. based on his predictions, and that led. to the He was really good at it? Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, apparently he went I. mean, whether he was lucky, I don't. know. I mean, I I I have Cuz that's. always the question when it comes to. like psychics. If you're a real psychic, why wouldn't you make all the money in. the world from the stock market? >> It did happen. There there was a lot of. people made a lot of money, and and he.

did evidently, too, as well. And. so, that led to the formation of. somebody called the Edgar Cayce. Foundation, or the A.R.E., the. Association for Research and. Enlightenment is the name of them. They're still going strong today. And they've they've. been. looking to try and find his. halls of records, and they've been. trying to verify the Cayce's. predictions. One in particular that they. have been chasing down is is the the. famous Hall of Records, which is which. he said was beneath the paws of the. Sphinx. So, there's not you know, these the.

stories of this Hall of Records and. these rooms beneath the Sphinx go back. thousands of years. Like. I mean, just just not just the Arabs, but also. Herodotus and these other guys also. talked about uh that whole. area, the Sphinx, and everything else. being vastly more ancient even than the. pyramids. Um but, there was some work done that. that then that happened in recent times, like in the 1990s. Well, it's been. there's been a search going on since the. early '70s that the A.R.E.'s been. involved in. And a lot of this is quite. secretive. None of it a lot of this has.

never really come to light, but there's. some until very recently, in fact, there's been some footage that came up. that showed that there are, in fact, tunnels beneath the Sphinx that may well. have been explored. We're not quite. sure. But, it's an interesting story. So, uh it does involve Mark Lehner and Zahi. Hawass, who are the you know, authoritative figures uh involved in. Egypt. Um Are they bottlenecking this, as well? Well, Do I have to go give them. a hug? Maybe. >> guys. Join us.". >> Allegedly. "We'll blow you up. We'll. make you like so much more popular.

We'll we'll help. We'll get you more. tourism." That's that's and that's I. think the the current guys that have. been running the Department of. Antiquities are embracing a little bit. of that idea, but I I do think there's. been a little bit of gatekeeping that's. happened. Well, it's I think it's a. generational thing. I agree. You know? And I think when you are an academic, or. you are a person that's in a position of. power, like Zahi is, and you've been running things for so. long, and this new thing comes along, it's very threatening, you know? And. when there's a lot of. mo- movement and momentum behind it,

it's very threatening. But, that thing. will just embrace you. If you say, "Oh. my goodness, look what we've learned. We've learned more new amazing things. about, wait for it, Egyptians." Like, it's the same people. It's just older. It's just older versions. Like, this is. why it's so dumb. It's like you're just. you are only allowing part of the. narrative to go through about how. magnificent this culture was. Oh, it's. already the most magnificent culture in. human civilization. And in terms of. history, when we look at it, nothing's. anything like Egypt. It's crazy.

Imagine it's bigger and crazier. Richer. It would it would it's just a richer and. a longer history in this place. It's. still like it is it is Egyptian. place. in the world. Yeah. It's it is. unfortunate. I was just talking about. this uh just yesterday, in fact. The the. the nature of establishment being to. resist change, right? It's it's it's. unfortunate that the and control. Control and to resist change, and it's. Maintain control, not lose control. That. was the fear. The fear is if I am a. self-professed expert with an.

institution behind me with a nice name, and then all of a sudden some [ __ ]. [ __ ] with an Australian accent comes. along who's a a tech guy who becomes a. YouTuber cuz he watched some asshole's. podcast when he was younger. Yep, pretty much. That's it. True. But, it's you and Graham and Jimmy Corsetti. and all these other amazing people. And. you guys are. you're you're showing the world that. there's another side to a lot of these. stories, and it's a legitimate side. It's not just a legitimate it's an.

unfathomable side. When you're looking. at you're looking at some of the stuff, like Baalbek, you're looking at those. those stones. There's it's unfath-. there's unfathomable things that no one. is no one is saying they're. unfathomable. No one's saying, "We don't. know.". Everyone is saying, "Don't worry about. it. We got it all figured out." Like, that's crazy. >> That's I agree. I I think embracing and. and I think I've made this this point. before, but it's I this is it's the. nature of the discourse that's changed. that has forced, I think, a stronger. reaction from the establishment and the.

The general public views things. differently now. >> Well, the general public's involved in. the discussion now. If you go back more. than 60, 70 years, I mean, general. public what didn't have access to this. information. They were. I mean, these discussions only happened. in in societies and in universities. But, but with the rise of firstly, alternative authors, and then the. internet, now everybody's got a chance. to have a a platform and a and and a set. of ears to to hear this information. And. it becomes more popular. Guys like you. have have had a huge impact on the. popularity of these topics.

And that's I think what is threatening. >> been popular. The problem is. they haven't been legitimized. Like, these ideas have always been popular. It's just nobody gets it's like there's. a food that you want that no one's. serving. You know what I mean? That's what it's. like. It's not like it wasn't popular. Like, I'm not unique in my interest in. ancient Egypt, or in ancient. civilizations. There's everybody have. Look at Let me ask men, like, "What do. you think about ancient Rome?" Guys. think about ancient Rome all the time. It's it's just a normal part of being a.

person that lives in a current. civilization wondering what it was like. in the past. And then when you see. something like Egypt, you're like, "None. of this makes sense.". No. There's massive contradictions. And. and I think. >> It seems so old. Well, it does. And I I. think what's what's made this. well, let's call it alternative. perspective much more possible, even. plausible, is is all of the the the. adjacent fields of science and work that. is that is basically providing a.

a plausible context. for these ideas that there was an. ancient lost civilization that is. responsible for the roots of some of the. things we see in these civilizations, responsible for some of the. technological enigmas that we find on. these sites. And that, you know, that's this is all. stuff that's happened in recent years in. adjacent fields of science, things like. the extension of the human timeline, the. evidence for severe erosion on these. sites, our understanding of climate. history and. >> of the human timeline is huge. >> That's huge. Because, you know, we were.

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QR code on screen, or by clicking the. link in the description. I mean, there. seems to be some evidence that they that. they might have, because. >> the Sumerian Kings List? >> Well, this is this is a big part of it. Yeah, I mean, not just them, but almost. every civilization that that talks about. even the Bible. It it talks about. pre-diluvian or pre-flood. uh civilizations often talks about. people living for hundreds of years, if. not longer than that thousands of years. You have an Egyptian Kings List that. does the same thing. But, even in the. Bible, you know, Noah was 600. 600,

right? So, you have Yeah, I think. something like that. You have you have. many uh examples of these what they. would describe as pre-cataclysm or. pre-flood civilizations where people. live for a long time. But, you just I mean, just not just. there's an extension of individual human. timeline, but we also know that there's. an extension of the human, like how long. humans have been here. Right. Right? Cuz. you that's going back further and. further all the time. We have. we have skulls and fossil record. evidence now where it's just slightly. more than 300,000 years. Genetic and and.

studies into teeth morphology make the. possibility open to whatever, 7, 800,000. years there was a. >> found? Yeah. I mean, it's I think that. was more I think that's more of a Homo. sapien played skull. So, it's like a may. not be Homo sapien exactly us. It might. be a variety, but that's that's a whole. other aspect on this, too, is. is that where the last humans left, right? There were other types of humans. that we know live for in some cases. couple million years Yeah. that had.

similar like even bigger brain sizes. than we did. We don't We don't really. know. what their capabilities were. We We only. can work with ourselves and then. uh you combine that lengthening of time. of like, okay, you have an intelligent. social species that. has the ability to build on knowledge of. your, you know, your ancestors. So, you. know, one guy spends his life making a. spear. The next guy spends his life. perfecting how to throw it. Then it's. just We have this unique ability to. stand on this knowledge that's passed.

down from our direct ancestors and. therefore build up our capability. and inevitably leads towards. civilization. And if you stress that way. back in time and now you look at things. like the the climate history. and the the history of cataclysm on this. planet, this possibility that that that. this may these civilizations may have. arisen and then been completely. destroyed at some point over the last. several hundred thousand years. You can't You can't just dismiss that. There's a strong possibility that that. it's it's just it's possible. And in.

fact, there seems to be a lot of other. contextual evidence to support it in. origin tales, in stories, in the echoes. of sacred geometry and advanced. mathematics and knowledge of uh. the cosmos and also, you know, planetary. dimensions and and geodetic data and all. this stuff that's in encoded into these. into these monuments and into these. stories and tales that we can't explain. how these so-called primitive. civilizations like the Egyptians uh or.

the Sumerians knew this information, yet. it's there and it's encoded in their. monuments and in their in their data. But we can't explain even the Greeks you. can't explain. the precision of of some of the the. aspects of things like the pyramids. But. yeah, I mean you just and and again with. the cataclysms that we know have. happened, the Younger Dryas just being. the most recent. But if you go back. several hundred thousand years, you have. these massive, you know, interglacial. periods and glacial maximum periods, right? That these cycles that we go. through where you have this big.

glaciation build-up and then you have. just, you know, these what must have. been catastrophic floods and then. interglacial periods. In fact, there was. a. a period called the Eolian period, it. was about 120,000 years ago. that was very much like the Holocene. that we're in today. In fact, it lasted. longer than the Holocene has currently. lasted. We've been in the Holocene. 10,000 years. Um. 10, 11,000 years. I think the the Eolian. period was was more than 15 to 20,000. years where it was stable weather. Sea. levels were were like 3, 4 m higher uh.

than where they are today, but it wasn't. like this. it wasn't like the it wasn't like the. the height of, you know, a glacial. maximum where it's a difficult place to. live. It was it was a it was a calm. period. I mean, the only reason our. civilization. is here today is because of the nice. weather of the Holocene, right? We have. warm weather. We We We haven't had like. massive catastrophes that that have been. like, you know, extinction level events. kind of thing. um to get in our way and knock us back. to the Stone Age. There was a similar.

period like that that lasted longer than. we've been. in this nice period about 120,000 years. ago. And if you consider after that the. cycles of glaciation and flooding, then. particularly the Younger Dryas, there'd. be just almost nothing left. It's just. there's the stone in places that. survived what happened afterwards. So, I. I do my my range of possibilities for, okay, when did these artifacts. uh originate? Like when did some of this. architecture originally be built? Uh it. it's it's not to me just 15,000 years.

ago. It could be 100, 200,000 years or. even more. And. again, more contextual evidence to. support that is things like the the the. erosion that we can see on some of these. sites. One of the my favorite topics in. the last couple of years has been. looking at the erosion on the Giza. Plateau. Yeah, I wanted to bring that. up. >> some of the big monuments in particular. like the the whole middle pyramid. complex on the Giza Plateau. Let's show. some of the images that you used in some. of your videos because it's pretty. it's pretty fascinating when you look at.

it. It's kind of undeniable. It It is. And what's what's fun about. this is too is is that we don't have to. guess, right? We know how long it takes. We Studies have been done about like. limestone erosion. Turns out there's. almost an endless number of conveniently. dated limestone slabs all around the. world. They're tombstones in cemeteries, right? So, you can they get dated, they. get cut, they get inscribed with the. date when the when it was put up. And. then so you can measure it and you can. come back over whatever decades and.

measure erosion. And so, how long does. it take for this face of this limestone. erosion to to recede? >> This is the nutty stuff. Yeah, and. because we're assuming that unless. something happened to the outside of. that, that this was at one point in time. flat and smooth. Yeah, 100% because. there are still blocks that are. protected. So, a lot of this has been. rebuilt. This is tricky to see. So, I. see you can actually see that the the. the less eroded sections are actually. modern restorations cuz this is so. eroded that it's falling apart. >> Right. >> And this isn't even the exterior of the.

structure. This is the interior core. masonry. All of this was also for God. knows how many thousands of years. encased in granite. It also points to a. trend. It points to a pattern that we. when human beings find ancient things, they do renovations, try to keep them. up. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Which is one of the. things that's been you know, yeah, over. and over and over again. We've talked. about that. Yeah. There's so many. structures that seem like there's. multiple timelines working on the same. exact ground. >> It's It is 100% a human tendency to to.

renovate and restore uh all of these to. reuse these sites. If Even in a gross. way. Like what they do with the Sphinx, like the paws. That's gross. It is. It. but it's it's we're renovating and. restoring it to use it as a tourist. attraction. Like the Romans renovated. and restored it to use as a ceremonial. center. The But it's a very shitty. version. >> The original. Yeah, I I agree. And. there's a lot of assumptions. You're. assuming you knew the form of it. You're. making your own form over the feet. >> a problem Yes, that was one of my. problems with they they were talking.

about restoring the middle pyramid like. the third pyramid, like the Menkaure. pyramid, the small one. It's small. It's. monstrous. But it it has these granite casing. stones, right? And the last of the top. four or five courses are still there, but it was at least 15, 16 courses of. granite and there's just all this. granite, these massive granite blocks. and rubble. And uh. Mostafa Waziri, who was at the time the. head of the Department of Antiquities, was talking about, "We're going to. rebuild it. We're going to put it back. together." And I know this and I'm like, "Please, no." because What an [ __ ]. Well, he he did something cool, which.

was he excavated in front of it. He did. show that the courses keep going down. But then he's like, "We're going to. restore it." I'm like, "Dude, that would. use concrete." It never It would be a. facsimile of what it once was. >> No, he actually because he said that uh. there was a lot of international outcry. for that very reason. And then in fact, they the government. formed a tribunal to figure out what to. do. The tribunal was headed by Zahi. Hawass and uh he lost his job. So, Yeah, don't. >> He's not in that Yeah, that's not that's. not happening. Don't restore the.

pyramid. Nobody wants to see the. restored pyramid. We want to see what's. left. Yes. Well, we can use our. imaginations to They are restoring a lot. of I don't necessarily agree with this. either. I Things that are actively. falling apart, sure. You need to. buttress them like a lot of this wall. So, this is part of the middle pyramid. complex that at Giza and there's a lot. of. blocks like this. They're limestone. blocks that are 11, 12 m long, like 4 m. wide, you know, 2, 300 tons. that were stacked up on top of each. other and they eroded so greatly on the.

inside that that they've actually fallen. over at some point in antiquity. They've. fallen off. And so, they are trying to. buttress and support things that are. going to fall. I'm all for that. But it I mean, there's a lot that just. the amount of erosion that it takes for. that to happen to blocks like this of. this um nummulitic limestone, which is a. very hard form of limestone full of. fossils. And it's. it's you're talking like 2, 3 ft in some. places of erosion of limestone. And if. you look at the studies.

that have been done into like limestone. erosion rates and there's been several. They've studied them in coastal wave. action environments where it's like. getting battered by waves. They put in. rivers. You know, they put limestone cubes on. the top of one of a governmental. buildings in DC and and left it there. and studied it over decades and like, okay, it's tiny amounts. But in a normal. weathering environment, right? This is. assuming a lot more rainfall than what. happens in Egypt. uh which gets very little rainfall, by. the way. But a place like. Washington DC or.

uh. somewhere where you get like 40. 40 in of rain a year, something like. that. It would take. of just normal weathering erosion to do. 2 ft of 2 ft of of erosion like this. more than 100,000 years. And so, and that's I think you can extend that. because if if well, the thing is. maybe there was more rainfall here at. some point. We know there was after. since about 4,000 BC, the the African. humid period was was. was in place. That's that's another big,

I think, tell. uh for for what happened particularly on. the Giza Plateau and and the sites in. Egypt uh in that, you know, one of the things that's always. mystified me about the the Sphinx is. like. it's spent so much time buried in sand. up to its chest over the last several. thousand years, more time than it hasn't. been. We have to work pretty hard to. keep the sand out of it now. In fact, there were multiple attempts to dig it. out of the sand in the 1800s that. failed. And then they just literally two. or three years later, it's it's it's. sort of buried up to its chest again.

Seems like a design flaw. Like why would you build this thing in a. low spot in a windy desert where it's. going to fill with sand? It's just I. don't think. >> to again? Khafre. And that's right. >> And then wasn't there an inscription. that where Khafre said that if he could. uncover the Sphinx, he would be the. pharaoh. Uh this is right. It's actually. Thutmose the fourth. Uh they that's. called the there's a stele in front of. the in the chest in there in the Sphinx. >> So Thutmose the fourth. >> About a thousand years later. Uh he put. that in there. >> was the one that was saying if he.

uncovered it. >> So he we knew it was buried in sand. during the dynastic Egyptian. civilization. >> Yes. So that's the so that during that. time no erosion. W- Well, this is a whole Yes, so there's. a whole other. >> So it's protected. >> post Right. So this is another big issue. with. the wind and sand erosion. When you talk. specifically about the Sphinx enclosure, I mean this is this is one of the big. controversial I mean for the academics. >> face isn't eroded. Exactly. >> if it's wind and sand, that's the only. thing that's exposed. And that's not as.

eroded. >> one of my major points for a long time. It is a to be fair, it is it the yardang. that the sedimentary layers of. limestone, it is a slightly harder form. of limestone, but still you're talking. thousands and thousands of years where. that the only thing above. the sand level was basically the face. And it's then and they explain all of. this deep erosion on the body of the. Sphinx and the Sphinx enclosure to wind. and sand. I know obviously Robert Schoch. has a different interpretation, but yes, you would see erosion on that you just. don't. I think the the most plausible.

explanation for that Sphinx is that yes, that the face was recarved in the. dynastic period, probably by it could. have been by Khafre. Well, actually. may well have been before that as well. because there's other evidence that. suggests that the Sphinx was already. buried in sand at his time. Um what Wow. >> the attribu- the attribution to Khafre. comes from two main sources. One is its. position. So where the Sphinx is, you have the. middle pyramid, you have the causeway. that runs down and you have the middle. pyramid, you have the pyramid temple,

the complex where we were seeing that. erosion. You have this massive causeway. that runs down to then the valley. temple, which is this, you know, very. famous massive megalithic structure. And. right next to the valley temple is the. Sphinx. And in front of that is the. Sphinx temple. So they they sort of. attributed make it well, it's part of. the middle pyramid complex. The other attribution comes from what's. been written on that dream stele between. uh the the in the legs of the Sphinx at. its chest. It does say Khafre on there, but there's a lot of.

it's a controversial statement to say. that that means Khafre built it. There. were several Egyptologists. who had different and this is back in. the you know. early 1900s, they had different. interpretations for what that said. What. they they believe it said was Khafre was. trying to do what his ancestors had done. well. had done before and or that Thutmose was. trying to do what his ancestors had done. before and Khafre is mentioned there. with in terms of dig it out of the sand. and become king. Like ex- excavate it from the sand.

>> move that everybody goes through. Well, it's also I think it's propaga- it could. be a great explanation for that dream. stele. It could also just be like. governmental propaganda, right? So he. could be you could put that in there and. say see that I'm divinely ordained to be. king because I dug this out of the sand. >> Just in the interest. Yeah, just the interest of keeping this. standalone, please explain to people the. whole uh deal with Dr. Robert Schoch. from Boston University and the water. erosion. I know and if you've heard this. before, I'm sorry. I just want it for. people that are like what? The the water. erosion that appears to be thousands of.

years of rainfall. >> Yeah, it's it's actually good it's good. background context cuz it does apply to. not only the Sphinx and it's the most um. famous example, I think uh and. well-known example of of a of again an. adjacent field of science coming in and. challenging some of the doctrine that's. been around Egyptology, but it was. actually Schwaller de Lubicz who. originally, I think, proposed it. His. work was followed up by John Anthony. West, who then brought Dr. Robert. Schoch, who's a who's a professor of. geology at Boston University, to the. Sphinx.

Uh this was, I believe, late '80s, early. '90s, and he went and looked at the. erosional pattern. So the Sphinx sits. inside an enclosure. It's carved from. bedrock, so it was originally what you'd. call a yardang, which is a like a. limestone outcropping, and they so they. cut they cut down in this big enclosure. and they cut the floor and then they. they sort of shaped the Sphinx from this. natural outcropping of bedrock. So you. had and we know this because the the the. structure next to the the Sphinx or in. front of it called the Sphinx temple is. actually. you can line up the sedimentary layers. of the blocks that are in there from the.

Sphinx enclosure. So we know that there. were blocks taken from here. So this is. all predictably sort of cut walls and. the Sphinx would have been nicely. finished when it was. Uh and he looked at these patterns. If. you go there today, I think I have. pictures of the walls of the Sphinx. enclosure in there. And it's just these deeply eroded. vertical channels. And and the Sphinx. body is harder to tell because it's been. restored so many times. The the ancient. Egyptians restored it, the Romans. restored it, we restored it a couple. different times. >> Thousands.

Yeah. Yeah, it's fine. But the nice thing is the walls of the. enclosure really haven't been touched. So you can see the natural erosive. patterns and he looked at that and went. that's rainfall erosion. But not just. some rainfall erosion, literally the. result of thousands of years. It's the. only way you would get these patterns in. the stone is thousands of years of. rainfall erosion. Obviously Giza is a really really dry I. mean Egypt's a really dry place these. days. You have to go back to time. periods pre-4000 BC when the Sahara was.

a savanna. It was grasslands with lake basins and. river systems and it had a lot more. rain. You didn't have this annual flood. um you know, uh cycle that you have now. It's it was like a lot more rainfall. It. was much more verdant and green. The. Giza Plateau would have been green. Which would make sense that that's why. they would settle there in the first. place. >> Exactly. Yeah, why you when you mean they didn't. build in a desert? I mean, you wouldn't. cuz it would fill up with sand. >> It would also make sense why they would. flourish because they had so much. resources cuz it was like so green and.

fertile. Probably had plenty of plants, plenty of animals. Well, there's you. know, there's there's a really other. good point associated with that that I I. wanted to bring up and but first just to. finish on the the Sphinx erosion. So. when when Schoch came out and said this, he really thought he was um you know, moving the story forward and he took it. to an archaeological conference and they. literally laughed him out of the room. They said this is. you know, this is this is this is. ridiculous. Like where are the potsherds. was I think Mark Lehner's comment saying. like where's the evidence that. something's at least 12,000 years old.

>> Mocking. Mocking them. Yeah, so he was. he got his a good taste of the I guess. the old boy network of the of the. archaeologists on that day. But he's, you know, he's being very. conservative in that dating also of. saying well, 12,000 years. It could well. be tens of thousands of years and in. fact it it seems more likely to me based. on the erosional evidence that we see. not only in the Sphinx enclosure, but. but elsewhere uh on the Giza Plateau. It's it's there's many places where you. see just a huge amount of erosion that. you can't really explain within the.

timelines and the climate of dynastic. Egypt as we know it from, you know, roughly 3,000 BC till even now. Like. because you're still it's still eroding, right? But yeah, he he it could be vastly more. ancient. I I actually think there's. something else that came out. Uh was it the earlier this year? I think. it was much earlier this year or maybe. late la- late last year, but. there was a study done that showed that. during the African humid period, so this. period of time before the deser-.

desertification of of Egypt, the Sahara. becoming a desert, when it was green. and there was more consistent rainfall, there was a lot obviously a lot more. water in the Nile as we call it. It had. different channels. One of the things. they discovered was that there was a. branch of the the river Nile. And it's called the Aramat branch and it. was in places up to a kilometer, most of. a mile wide, so it was quite a extensive. branch, but it turns out that all of. these valley temples on all of these. pyramid sites from. Dahshur, Saqqara, Abusir, Abu Ghurab,

Giza, all of those valley temples were built. on the shores. of this extinct branch of the Nile. So it's it's like pyramid com- you know, pyramids when you look at a pyramid, it's not just a pyramid, there's a whole. complex associated with it. There's. there's a temple or there's a structure. at the pyramid, there's a causeway, there's what they call valley temples. down. And it's like it these were all built on. the shorelines of this of this branch of. the Nile that went basically it.

disappeared 4,000 somewhere between. 4,000 and 3,500 BC, but it was in place. for thousands and thousands of years. before that. And today if you go there and they say, well, you know, the valley temple, yep, they. would ship the stones from Aswan and. it'd be like 3 months of the year it. would flood enough where you can get a. boat in I mean, I've seen pictures. There are pictures of when that flood. happened before they built the dam and. stopped that process. And it's and some years it's a puddle. Like it's there's not I mean, you're. talking about boats that were carrying. hundreds of tons of granite. And only in.

a 3-month period of year can you get. them in there. There's many there would. have been many years where there's not. even remotely enough water to get it. anywhere near the valley temple. >> think they even used boats. I know I I. don't either. >> It sounds crazy to say, but I think they. had a technology that we haven't even. begun to. mess with yet. >> did logistical achievements of the. ancient Egypt of of what is represented. in ancient Egypt is like like. nothing you can see anywhere. I mean,

there's Baalbek and then there's. to me the best example is the statue at. Tanis. There's a statue I mean, there's. several of these thousand plus ton. statues. A like half a dozen of them. They got. remnants of them, but there was one that. was at Tan- that was moved a thousand. kilometers. Like. a thousand kilometers. And it would have. been it was a single piece granite. statue easily a thousand tons. Show that. image, Jim, if you would, please. >> Um I think it's giant objects in there. or something. There's I mean and this is.

Tanis in the Delta, Aswan down here at. the at the quarry. I mean, downstream on the Nile there's. there's there's another example of the. the one at at Karnak that's. the whole shoulder and arm of a of a. composite quartzite, again, gigantic. It's size of the Statue of Liberty, basically. Single piece granite solid. statue. I mean, there's there's all these piece. That's a small one. Which is insane. >> That's Yeah, that's Look at the people. in the background and say that's a small. one. Yeah, it's only 200 tons. I mean, it's. 250, maybe. It's not.

You have them 10 times almost that size. The crazy thing is also how beautiful it. is. Oh. >> Like how symmetrical it is. >> The workmanship. on these is is astonishing. And you can. still feel like this is one of the the. signs, I think, when you get to the. finishing on some of these statues. Uh that's a Yeah, that's a giant. kneecap. Um. Uh there's one with an arm and a. shoulder sort of poking out that's a. really good example. And that's Baalbek, yeah. >> The point is like when you when you talk. about how beautiful it like how that one.

that's lying down, Jamie. Oh, there's a. the one the back one couple. That one. Yeah. Look at the the finishing on that. Like how incredible You see his nipple. You see all the You know what I mean? Thousands of years later, you see the. detail on the headdress. You see all And. then you have to realize like this was. done with people that didn't have steel. Yeah, and you can. >> Supposedly. Right. It definitely I mean, they Yeah, later periods um like in the. New Kingdom, they they had some more. iron, not necessarily steel. But you.

know you know something else here. Like. see that cartouche? Mhm. See how poor. that is relative to the finishing of the. face and the chest. So, this is the. other thing that happened. This is why. no one's sort of like you don't get. archaeologists saying, "Well, this. statue's we don't know who made it." We. know who made it cuz they put their name. on it. That That is literally Ramses the. Second's cartouche right there. I. recognize it anywhere. But That's awesome that you recognize. that. Oh, if you come to Egypt, you'll. recognize it, too. I show it He He was Petrie called Ramses.

the Second the Great Usurper. because he put his name on [ __ ]. everything. Like he and he carved it in. deep like this to He would have it have. it be. him and his father uh Seti the First and. his son Merneptah, they were all. they were all in that business of. rebadging the some of this stuff. >> So, they would find old things and they. would put their name on it. >> They would claim it for themselves. I. think it's it's the the nature of of I. mean, during that period in the New. Kingdom in the 19th Dynasty, you know, it's all I did this. All me.

Yeah, it was the height of Dynastic. Egyptians uh Egypt's power and wealth. So, they had all of this uh. I think hubris and and arrogance to to. to make themselves one of the gods. And. it's one of the I think. It's these statues are There's a lot to. unpack in in these because I I also. happen to think that. when you look at these massive statues, you can't really explain with the. capabilities of the Dynastic Egyptians, I think it also explains their. iconography because if they inherited.

these giant statues, like it's those are the gods. Like. you're looking at this Imagine a statue. the size of the Statue of Liberty. standing out in the desert and it's just. sitting there looking at you with this. this face. And you that and the. craftsmanship on these are amazing. You. can see it here. See how the eyeballs. are like tilted down almost? And this It. looks like a smile on the face from. here. But when you it's perspective. When when you stand beneath them and you. look up at them, they're looking at you. And the And it's not so much it's not a. smile, it's just like a straight line It.

looks straight. They've built They've. They've shaped these faces for. perspective as if you're viewing them. from the ground. It They're absolutely. incredible. And there's also been. studies done on some of these that show. the faces are pretty much perfectly. symmetrical. Again, >> crazy. not something that you can. achieve. or not something that's done in modern. artwork, the perfect symmetry. That's. not a it's not even a characteristic of. a human face. Like we aren't like that. Our nostrils are different sizes and. whatever, but because we're hybrids. We could be. We're just We're imperfect.

We're imperfect beings, Joe. I think. they made us. I think they made us. I think something. came here from somewhere else or. something was already here. Intervention. theory. Did something with lower. hominids. Uh have you read Lloyd Pye's. work? No, I've heard of it, but I. haven't read any of his. Everything you. think you know is wrong. Fun lecture. Rest in peace, Lloyd. He uh. was in there's some interesting genetic. evidence that's this I think suggests. that as a possibility, a chromosomal. difference between us and other mammals.

of our type. Uh almost like we've had these the the. telomeres have been attached. We've been. genetically engineered. >> Gregg Braden talks about that. >> Yeah, we have some real strange. characteristics for being on this. planet. Like we die of exposure at 80°. in the shade. We can't look at the sun. You ever see dogs You got a dog stare at. the sun like this and you're like, "What. are you doing?" And they're like, "I'm. fine. Why can't you do that?" We can't. even see at night. We don't have no. benefit of the night vision. Yeah, we. >> It's interesting also when they look at. all these other versions of humans that.

they find, almost all of them were more. durable. Oh, broomsticks to axe handles durable. Like. it's. >> yeah, yeah. multiple gaps of But isn't. that kind of in the Bible? When doesn't. the Bible say the meek shall inherit the. earth? Well, we're the meek when it. comes to like. Yeah, we're just the meanest, maybe, but. We're the meanest. We're the meanest and. the trickiest. >> Because we had to be, which is like. all animals. When, you know, you have to. when you're small, like hyenas are. [ __ ] ruthless. The reason why they're. ruthless is cuz lions are bigger and. they had to figure it out. You know,

they had to just be [ __ ] mean and. nasty. And I think. I I I think we probably wiped out or. interbred with everything that wasn't. us. Yep. That's a wrap. Sorry. Sorry your. big bones don't work on arrows. Yeah. You dummies didn't figure out catapults. yet. >> Guerrilla tactics, yeah. Yeah. Guerrilla. tactics, technology. I mean, I think. that's also probably one of the reasons. why we're so obsessed with making better. stuff, including weapons. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think so. I mean, it There is I.

I don't rule out the mean, personally, my opinion, I I think there's a. either. via panspermia or. intervention theory like that where. we've been There is a huge mystery as to. as to both our species and then how life. itself. kind of kicked off. Like that's Even. panspermia is like kicking the can down. the road problem. Like how do you How. does DNA have Cuz one of the most. interesting things to me is like DNA as. a technology. has never changed, right? So, from. single-celled organisms right down.

through to us, the way life is expressed as a. technology DNA like the how it expresses. life has changed, but DNA. I don't think has changed. Like it's. it's like there's one way that life. expresses itself and how it forms is. like the actual origins of life. >> It's DOS. It's DOS. It's It is a DOS. human operating system. Life DOS Life. Life operating system, something like. that. >> is your take on those tridactyl mummy. I have I I don't know. I I think there's.

I wouldn't. >> Jesse Michaels' episode on it? >> I Yeah, I not all of it. I've seen some. of it, yes. >> the scans? Have you seen the scans? >> the scans, yeah. I saw some of the I've. seen all of I don't want to get tricked. I don't want to get tricked. So, I'm. like but Jesse said that seeing them in. person I just talked to him about it. He. said it was otherworldly. He said it was. incredibly strange. Like very, very. surreal seeing them in person because it. really does feel like it's a different. species. Like you're looking at some. different species.

My take on that stuff is honestly it's. it's like sure. I It I To me, the whole. the whole alien. um other life in the universe was. settled I mean, it's a mathematical. certainty. Like I just the Kepler. mission showed it. Like. it's a mathematical certainty that life. has to exist other in other places on. the planet and. in some form. But and then you multiply. that out across the. the span of space and time, is it. possible that we're being visited? Is.

there something to these phenomena? Yes, I think so. It doesn't. I I'm I'm skeptical that we'll ever. really I hope maybe in my lifetime we'll. we'll know, but I'm I would it change. what I'm doing if we had that. realization? Not particularly, I don't. think. It's just like we could be part. of the Galactic Federation. I'd be like, "Oh, that's cool." I think it'll give. additional perspective. Like let's just. let's go way out there and put that. [ __ ] tinfoil hat on tight. Um if they. open up the the labyrinth, if they. figure out a way to drain the water and.

they do find out that that 40 m long. metallic thing is something from another. place. >> Interdimensional. Something from another. place. >> Right, yeah. Or maybe break up. civilization. You know, there's a lot of. people that think that there were like. like there's us and then there's. Neanderthals, right? And then there's. Okay. They all coexisted at one point in. time. What if this thing coexisted with. us as well? And this is a different. version of what we will eventually be, just like if Let's imagine human beings.

we uh maintain a presence on this earth. for the next 30 million years. Let's. just imagine that. Could be crazy, but it's happened before. with crocodiles. If right? If we did, what would. chimpanzees be like 30 million years. from now? Evolution wouldn't stop, right? >> Right, it's not going to stop. They're. already using tools, right? There. There's speculation that I mean, there's. various scientists that believe that. that you can make an argument that many. primates are in the Stone Age. Yeah. That they've entered into the Stone Age. So, let's assume that this keeps moving.

in that general direction without our. intervention, which I'm assuming. some foreign countries probably would. engage in that. And one of them might be. America. Yeah, yeah. We Who knows? Secretly? Like if we're if we're Look, if we're doing this gain of function. research on viruses that wind up killing. a million people, you don't think that. we're going to if there's some sort of a. Like there was talk during the I believe. it was World War II where Russia was. There there was talk of some sort of a.

hybrid between a human being and a. chimpanzee. They're trying to devise. that for soldiers. Yeah. I Yes. Yeah. >> Real, right? That's real. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's some very strange. and Yeah. Interesting experiments that. happened in that period of time. >> what if those little [ __ ] kept going? What if those little [ __ ] are like. the the the OGs? Like they're us. like a million years from now and what. what we are you know, the chimps are a. million years later, that's what we are.

right now currently. They are what we're. going to be. >> Yeah. And then they went, "Fuck it. We're going in the ocean.". Right. Well, [ __ ] Right. Yes. I And. that's that's a possibility. In fact, the breakaway civilization concept is. not a. new one, either. Like there there a lot. of ancient cultures looked at places. like even the moon as a as a refuge. They would call it a refuge. Like that's. a whole other theory. Like what's going. on with the moon? Is there Are there Is. there something happening up there? Was. there something that happened with it in. the past? Right. Um.

Yeah, I mean, this is it's it's To me, the whole it it's all of these things. are completely plausible. Like I just I. don't I. try dactyls or the. the um Yeah, I mean, the the UFO phenomena, I mean, this. could have been going on for a long, long time. I wouldn't I mean, it I. certainly would include. it some sort of otherworldly craft as. potentially one of the explanations for. what that thing is beneath the ground at. at the labyrinth. I don't Well, even if. it's not another worldly craft, whatever.

the [ __ ] was going on where someone. could make a 40 m long metallic thing. thousands and thousands and thousands of. years ago. 40 m is half of a damn. football field. >> Yeah, it's it's big. That's big. >> And stick it underground for some. reason, >> Yeah. In a corridor or in a huge atrium? Okay. Yeah. >> Like what All bets are off. If what. those Italian scientists are saying is. underneath the the Giza Plateau, all. bets are off. You're looking at something that is like. is as kooky as the pyramids are, that's. the tip of the iceberg. True. Yeah, it's.

And that's that's why I wanted to the. labyrinth was so interesting because, you know, that that their announcements. around what they these you know, 800 m. shafts and massive cubes kilometers deep. under the plateau is. kind of came out of nowhere, but there. is there are these accounts for these. other places like the labyrinth where. there's there's some like historical. legitimacy to them. Like there's been. accounts of them. Um although you know, I over time I I. what they're talking about beneath the. the Giza Plateau. maybe not to the full extent of what.

they're saying. I'm still having trouble. with with that, but uh there's certainly. a lot more We know there's a lot more. down there, right? That that we at least. the public has never discovered. Um we know that there are So, beneath. the the bottom of the Osiris shaft, for. example, we know that there are further. tunnels that that go off from there that. go underneath it. The Osiris shaft uh. for people who don't know is is is one. of the it's like a it's there's three. passage like three rooms and it goes. down a little over 100 ft or so beneath.

the ground beneath the causeway on the. the middle pyramid complex. You go down. this big ladder go into one room, you go. down another ladder, there's a bigger. room with boxes in it. And you go down a. further ladder to the bottom room, which. also has boxes in it. Uh today, it's the. water table's way up high. But we know. in the past, this is one of the things. that has recently come to light is that. that that down there in the bottom in. the 1990s. that was scanned with ground penetrating. radar. at the bottom level and they found yep, there are actually like 4 m long, 8 ft.

high tunnels with dome ceilings below. that. Uh even even further that nobody as far. as we know have ever explored. They're. also. tunnels leading off from that bottom. level that head off towards the Sphinx. and they head off towards the pyramid. And in fact, they fork because there was. a a little known. exploration done by a team of Japanese. scientists in the early 2000s that got. like a camera on a long pole and they. shoved it down through the mud and they. stuffed it about 20 m into one of these.

tunnels and they found these man-made. structures like tunnels and it forks and. that it actually forks off and one seems. to head towards the Great Pyramid and. one keeps going up towards Khafre. So, there's tons of stuff below there. In fact, if you ever go to the Giza. Plateau. or that that causeway where if you're. heading up towards the middle pyramid, you've got the Osiris shaft on the left, but on the right, you have I mean, a 10. of these massive shafts that have that. we don't really know how deep they are. uh or whether or not they've ever been. fully excavated, but they just go way.

down into the ground. So, it's this. could be like. you know, it's like the very top layer. of things that have been claimed by the. the Italian scientists and their and. their scans. Uh but there was. we know that these tunnels extend. uh down to beneath the Sphinx, for. example. Like there's long been rumored. that there's a. a tunnel and entrance at the end at the. back of the Sphinx. In fact, if you go. there, you there's a little box and a. little hole. Doesn't go anywhere. I've. stuck a camera in there and had a look, but. this is what happened in the the 1990s.

So, so, you know, John Anthony West, I'm. sure you've seen the Mysteries of the. Sphinx, right? Super famous doc. >> that. Yeah, I know I know he has, but. you've seen his work. >> Yeah. Wonderful documentary, Charlton. Heston. >> Charlton Heston, yeah. That's Well, that's when that archaeologist is. mocking Yes. uh Graham Hancock and John. Anthony West. >> That's right. Do you know about the. three T's of Thanksgiving? Turkey for. eating, table for gathering, and. touchdowns for winning. With DraftKings. Sportsbook, an official sports betting. partner of the NFL, every touchdown. could bring you closer to cashing in.

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eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Void. in Ontario. Restrictions apply. Bet must. win to receive bonus bets, which expire. in 7 days. Minimum odds required. For. additional terms and responsible gaming. resources, see dkn g.co/audio. Limited time offer. Yeah, so the he. produ- he did that research I think in. 1991 uh 1990 1991. It came out and John. Anthony Here she won an Emmy for best. documentary, I think um for it. It was. totally. uh warranted. But so, he he as part of. that work had a guy named Tom Dobecki, who was a ground penetrating radar. expert, and he did work around the.

Sphinx and he found the existence of. like large regular chambers beneath the. Sphinx. And then when that documentary. came out, I mean, allegedly, Zahi was incensed by it. because it talked about Atlantis and it. it made the suggestion that there might. this might be, you know, a Hall of. Records. It talked about Edgar Cayce. And he then denied after that John. Anthony West and Robert Schoch any. permits to do any further work. But. what's weird is is that Zahi and Mark. Lehner have this long-standing. connection with the Edgar Cayce.

Foundation. Which is like a this it's this weird. dichotomy. It's like on the public. facing, they decry anything. Atlantis-based, but then on the private. side, they seem to be enabling. explorations by the A R E. And in fact, they've been enabling the A R E to do. drilling experiments and other things at. the Sphinx since the late 1970s. And. there was an an expedition. notorious one that that no one ever knew. what happened. It was called the Schor. expedition. Um Dr. uh Joseph Schor, Joseph Jehaoda, and then a a guy named.

Boris Said were were were running the. Schor expedition. And Boris Said was a. friend of John Anthony West. He was the. executive producer for. uh Mysteries of the Sphinx. And and in this happened in like '95. through about '97 '90 '97. And they. partnered up with Zahi, gave them a. 5-year unlimited permit to do whatever. they wanted up at the um. on the Giza Plateau. And one of the stories that came out of. that was a story So, Boris Said, who. unfortunately has also passed away. since, but he talked about filming Zahi.

What He said, "Well, we've got to the. back of the Sphinx." And he said, "What. you know, we want to make another. documentary like the Mysteries of the. Sphinx." And he said, "Well, what if we. open up a tunnel that no one's ever. opened up before?" And he's like, "That. that'd be great. What what sort of. tunnel?" He said, "Well, a tunnel under. the Sphinx.". And Boris Said said, "That'd be. fantastic." So, I actually filmed him. going into the rump of the Sphinx. standing down in there and saying, you. know, the the quote is something like. even Indiana Jones wouldn't believe that. he was he was here. We're standing. inside the body of the Sphinx. Nobody. knows where this tunnel goes, but we're.

going to open it for the first time.". And he's down in this space with a with. basically a blocked up tunnel beneath. the Sphinx. And this he filmed all of this, but then. this this footage all disappeared. So, during the expedition, it was kind of. shut down. And then they got into a legal dispute. like like Boris Said and Joseph Schor. got into this battle. The footage was. never seen, but he went on Art Bell in. the late '90s and talked about it. And. we're like, "God damn. So, this You. know, they also talked about the stuff. at the Osiris shaft. They did that. ground penetrating radar work. They did. sonic experiments in the Great Pyramid.".

There's a lot that happened at the Schor. expedition run by the Edgar Cayce It was. They're all A R E members. Like. And they did the stated goal Joseph. Schor was was always to find the Hall of. Records, right? Um. I mean, this all continued into the. 2000s, too, with with with that uh. that organization, but there was all. this tantalizing mystery of this. footage. Like where the [ __ ] is this. footage? Apparently, the Department of. Justice had a copy of it cuz there was. this lawsuit that was going on. And nobody knew. So, this is it's kind. of out there. And And and then it was.

only like earlier this year it turns out. that so what happened so Boris Said was. was sick with liver cancer but he was. trying to raise funds to make this. documentary. So he put together this. tape with some of this footage from this. expedition. And he was selling VHS. copies of it as a way to invest in this. documentary. And then a couple like a year later he. just he that's when he passed away. So. there was a there's been a handful of. these VHS tapes out there in random. homes from the mid to late 90s just. sitting away with this tape and then.

eventually someone this year actually. digitized it put it up on YouTube as an. unlisted video. I found out about it and so all of a. sudden now we we actually have this. footage. We have Zahi going into the. Sphinx at the back saying these these. words. Yeah, it's it's if you Jaime if. you pull up my. I think it's the latest or the couple. latest videos about the rare footage. found from the Sphinx. It opens with. that. with that footage. Dude, thank God. you're out there. I'm so excited that you do this. It.

means so much to me that you do this. >> It's oh it's I love doing it. It's this. is fascinating when you find like I've. known about this footage for years and. years and and I'm like oh my God. somebody found it. Yeah, this is it. here. So there's Zahi. Yeah. So he's going into this tunnel. Yeah, so. you can still this still exists but then. this is yeah this where he is now. doesn't um What happened? Well, the. story gets more and more intriguing. So yeah this is the him saying the line. saying we've never opened this tunnel. before. We're in the body of the Sphinx.

and we're going to figure out where it. goes. So. Yeah, so after that So Boris they they. filmed that they they this is the early. days. So yeah I'm walking around the. back here. I think I poked my camera in. there but um I talk about it later on. It's. it's. So Boris Said who had filmed this with. Zahi goes he talks to them about let's. make a contract let's let's have Zahi. open the tunnel like we'd make the. documentary about him opening this. tunnel and we're going to show it to the. world you know. And they talked about it. He went back. to New York and he never heard from them. again.

They never mentioned this contract. nothing. He never had any further. contact uh with Zahi about it. And then funny thing happens in Egypt. about I don't know eight nine months. later. And this is as reported by Robert Bauval. and Graham Hancock in their book um. Heaven's Mirror and also I found it in. uh the Arabic publications but about. eight I think it was six to eight months. later Zahi makes an announcement in. Al-Ahram and these Egyptian publications. in Arabic that says I've made this. incredible discovery. I've discovered tunnels and chambers.

beneath the Giza Plateau that's going to. change everything we know about the. ancient Egyptians and the pyramids. And he talked about finding three. tunnels. One that was like on the north one on. the south and then one that was yet to. be determined where it went. And he made this announcement and then. never said another word about it ever. again. Wow. In the pa- And this is just in the. Arabic papers. And here's here's the funny thing is is. Could it be because there's nothing.

there? Uh I suspect something else. I I. suspect that that if that even if there. was nothing there you'd still stick he. would have stick stuck a camera in there. and looked at it. I suspect I think it's. more likely that yeah they found. something that that. might have upset the apple cart and it. doesn't um it doesn't get it. >> if they are sitting on information. >> think. You think they are? >> I yes I yeah I I do. I think there's. been plenty of excavations and. discoveries that I think have were. inconvenient for one reason or the other.

that have probably never seen the light. of day. That's a crime against humanity. >> Little bit. I I think so. I mean it's. you know the funny thing that he's what. he said too when he's when I read that. comment he makes about three tunnels. That's that's. that's what Al-Idrisi and. uh Al-Masudi. said as well like this this Herodotus of. the Arabs like six to 800. um AD when they went they described the. same damn the three tunnels like. chambers and rooms it's it's it's like. lining up with these system same as the.

labyrinth like it's lining up with these. historical accounts. And then it's just you don't hear. another word about it. And when you go. to the Sphinx today and you. you finally you pop that little box off. its butt. It the whole thing's been backfilled. Like the whole it it where where you see. that camera where where Zahi was. standing that still beam still there but. where his head level is where he's. standing hey this tunnel goes it's like. the dirt level's here now like it's it's. all been backfilled. >> That's so crazy. Yeah. That's so Why. would you do that if there wasn't. something in there? You would only do it.

if there's something in there unless it. caved in. Yeah. Uh to be honest it's. it's my concern also with the Great. Pyramid and the chamber there. It is. that. I I first of all have my suspicions that. they may well have already taken a peek. with an endoscopic camera into that that. hidden void. So this is you know the. scan pyramid project. >> on anything in particular? >> No no I just no just just just my. experience with um. how they do things. >> Yes. So so it's there's always. I mean I just there's very little. transparency when it comes to a lot of.

these uh digs and stuff. And this isn't. just the Egypt this is. I think uh. I mean it's not a criticism it's maybe. more a characteristic of archaeological. digs everywhere. Sometimes. the way this works is is you might have. to wait 20 or 30 years for for or a. decade to for information to come out. because it then it has to get perfect. and someone has to publish a paper. You know they sit on that information. until that point or maybe it never sees. the light of day. I mean um Because it's. inconvenient. Well, I I do I do think that I mean.

anything that's going to like seriously. upset the apple cart like if you they. came out and and. found something that was oh damn we. found the Hall of Records you know we. found this this this evidence that is is. incontrovertible that suggests that. there was a predecessor culture and a. predecessor civilization to the ancient. Egyptians. I I think there would be some long and. hard thinking about whether or not we. actually release that cuz it's going to. make everybody look bad. You know what I. mean? Like it it upsets I. >> crazy though that make everybody look. bad would be the motivation to keep one.

of the most important discoveries ever. from from the. human race. >> I I I agree. Yes. I [ __ ] nuts we're. even thinking about this. And I love. your approach. I think you're absolutely. right too is it is it even if these. figures it all they have to do is. embrace it. Yeah. All they have to say. is look at what we learned. Yeah. And. then everyone be like that's amazing. And if you the more you you. >> It's just it's Egyptians that go back. 30,000 years or whatever it is or more. That's so crazy but also.

wouldn't that excite more people to be. more interested wouldn't that increase. the economy wouldn't that increase the. tourism? It would increase everything. Yes it would. It would make everybody. more excited about archaeology. I I. think you got to embrace the mystery. There was a there was a trend towards. squishing it There's no way you could. know everything. It's not possible. Especially when you're finding these new. things. It's clear you don't know. everything. Yeah. If they're finding new. things you don't know everything. If. there's a 40 m long metallic object in a. labyrinth that's in an ancient room.

that's under the [ __ ]. >> you don't know everything. Yeah. I think. it's worth taking a look like like Geez. you think? >> Yeah. I mean Let's at least take a look. Let's drill like a hole. Like it figure. out we know even from the scan kind of. where it is. Like let's take a bull hole. down and We were talking before you were. saying that there might be a possibility. of digging a tunnel under the water. through into the bottom because the. actual area where it is is not in the. water. >> That's so the scan seemed to indicate it. it is likely free of water is the is the. terminology I heard uh from the scan. interpretations.

It's true to say that the the issue with. the water on at Hawara in the labyrinth. is is the ground water. So it's this. seepage that's coming in from the north. and it's so it presumably at some point. you do get to a form of bedrock that may. well be impermeable. Uh and if it's sealed and you're cut. into that structure then yeah you may. well be free of water. uh or it might be you know I it's it. seems like the ground water. >> up and let the water through the hole or. they try to dig a tunnel and flood that. too. For sure some of it's in the water. like the upper levels of the labyrinth.

so from the ground penetrating radar. scans at the Matterhorn expedition I. mean you have these granite blocks that. are like three four meters wide and this. huge labyrinthine structure that's. sitting in I mean I'm sure it's full of. sediment too like it's not like there. may be some cavities and open everyone's. like can we dive on them like it's full. of it's literally mud and sediment. a lot of it. And if that's sitting in. this sort of salty brackish ground water. that I I suspect is not going to do. great things to that granite if it's. left for another 50 100 years Right. >> or more. So it's there is a a pressure.

to. to remediate this problem and and I. think to to save what's down there. Uh the deeper layers however seem like. there's a possibility that they're free. of water. Is there been has there been. any proposal to do that? Is there any. proposal to figure out a way to reroute. the water? >> They've so they've this is what I. I talked about it in the video. There. were some studies that started to happen. to try and do that and then the guy who. was running the study got thrown in jail. for for for talking about it and then. Nothing since then. >> Nothing since as far as I know. Tell.

Zahi he can come on again if he does it. I'll have him back on. I would love to I would I I would love I. mean I think it's a solvable problem. though that's the thing. >> We have to get Zahi to do mushrooms. That's what we have to do. Yeah. We have. to get him to just drop it all and cut. the [ __ ]. >> Become the sun god. Yeah no I don't. know. Yeah just let let everybody love. you for doing that cuz they would if we. just change turned turned a new page. just said all right let's just let's go. crazy. I think yes. Yeah, he's yeah he. wants to be loved. Wants to be. respected. >> Everybody does. So.

open it up baby. Let's go. Give me a. hug. Open it up. Start digging. >> Yeah. Let's go. Let's let's sink some. bull holes and get some pumps in there. and like get this water out of here. I. mean These are those moments where I. wish I was Elon Musk cuz you you want an. engineer to get involved as well. You. want someone Yeah you you'd need like. army corps of engineers. Someone who's. going to be able to figure out how to. move water. >> Think a real big French drain you know. all the way around. Just figure it out. It's it can be done. It might take. decades, but it can be done and the.

result would be insane. I I think you. could do it, too, and like a targeted. search. I think you could do start in a. small area where you know you do some. more I mean more surveys, too. Like more. more GPR, more surveys, more scans. And. and and really narrow in on like a. section and then like let's see if it's. if we're if what we're seeing on these. scans is is there. Then maybe do the. site. >> I have a feeling it's one of many. I. really do. >> Oh, no. Yeah. I I have a feeling that. whole area, that whole complex, you're.

going to go as if they can really prove. that there have been civilizations that. have been there for 10, 20, 30,000. years, I think it's going to reveal. itself one layer of the onion at a time. Right. And I And it's today it's like it. is a a symptom of the climate that we. only really look in the Nile Valley, right? Because the dynastic Egyptians. settled in the Nile Valley because when. they started it was a desert. That was. the habitable part, but if you if you. open up the possibility that there's a. precursor civilization that.

was existing in the millennia prior to. that. Now you Now you've got the Sahara. You've got to. figure out where the lakes the river. river systems, the lake basins were. And. and there's very little of the Sahara. that's fully you know, we're not looking. under the sand there. We're We're. developing new scanning techniques. Let's start looking there cuz I I think. there's a you know, the Assyrians this. crazy place. in at at the back of Temple of Seti the. First in in Abydos and it's sitting on. top of this aquifer. It's like this big. subterranean granite structure and I'm.

like I bet this this is this was I think. clearly some sort of functional thing. and I bet there's a bunch more of these. But we just don't know where they are. cuz they're under the ground. We just. found this one Well, Seti found it when. he built his temple and he's like, "Holy. [ __ ] we found this. giant granite subterranean structure. Let's turn the temple this way." But. yeah, I think there's I think there's a. strong possibility as well that there's. a lot more of that stuff. And even. to be to their credit like. archaeologists suggest the same thing. Like the the scope and scale of what is. under the sand in Egypt I mean, I think. even most mainstream archaeologists will.

tell you like 70% of it's still as yet. undiscovered, at least. >> That is so crazy. That's such a crazy. thing to say when you look at what has. been discovered. Well, there's nothing. quite like it. I mean, Luxor What do. they say the stats around Luxor is like. the one-third of the world's antiquities. in this one area just at Luxor. And it's. not even the Giza Plateau. That's just. that's Upper Egypt down at Luxor with. the West Bank and the Valley of the. Kings and Karnak Temple and. it's astonishing. And they they're still. digging stuff up. There's a. Amenhotep the temple of Amenhotep the.

second or third is is near. Colossi of Memnon. These giant 6-700 ton. statues are like the front door to it. And they're slowly excavating this. monstrous temple behind it and they keep. finding these remnants of these colossal. statues. I've heard rumors just rumors. I'm going to Egypt like next week. Hopefully we can I want to get a look at. this and I've heard rumors that they. found like a hand from a statue that's. even bigger than the biggest ones we've. found so far. So, they might have found. a segment of a statue that was.

one of the the largest ever, which would. be astonishing because. who knows? I mean, that. there's some evidence that they made. stuff like that. I mean, we talk about. 1,000 tons and that's mind-boggling. enough, but there's actually a quarry in. Egypt called Minya. It's like the unfinished obelisk, right? It's like the unfinished obelisk still. attached. They never pulled it out. It's. 1,200 tons, but that Minya there's these. it's like limestone and these they've. cut these blocks out. They're still. attached. They They've made these blocks. and there's even an inscription. like a rough inscription of a seated.

uh fair like a seated figure on a. throne. Sort of drawn on that as if. that's what they were going for. But the. the the if you take the density of the. limestone in the Minya region and you. calculate its volume, it's in the realm. of 5,000 tons. Oh my god. >> Yeah, it's it's who knows what they what. was there originally. I mean, I just I. think it's. it's baffling enough that we have this. you know, these logistical achievements. in that in that. anything above really 3-400 tons is.

cross above 100 tons over any distance. is is is a massive challenge for for any. anyone. I mean, us to move that sort of a load. over the roads and things we have now. I. mean, [ __ ] Even in Peru you you find. similar. uh logistical achievements. Like I was. just I spent just came back from 5 weeks. in Peru. >> to talk about that, but I have to pee so. bad. So, let's pause real quick and. we'll be right back. Sorry. Sorry about. that. All right, folks, and we're back. Um. have you speculated like why they wanted.

things so big? Like or was it just that. they had the ability all of a sudden at. one point in time in their development? >> I I mean, it's I would you can't make to. me any argument that these giant statues. are functional. They're clearly. symbolic. And it's it's the. it's it's almost like a challenge to. history. It's it's a it's a monument. through history. I mean, there's some. indication that. things like the pyramid, the Great. Pyramid, are markers and um you know, they're they're demonstrations of their.

knowledge and capability. We can talk. about that in a minute, but there's. uh with the statues it's No, it's to me. it's just like, "Look at us. Look how. mighty we are." Like it's it's it's a. like the same reason we I mean, why do. we make Mount Rushmore or we make some. big It's like to to leave a monument or. some sort of marker behind. I mean, the. Sphinx, for example, could be a marker. uh in time when you look at it in terms. of the great cycle, the fact that it was. likely a lion and you know, it's facing. due east. So, that it could well be a. marker for a particular moment during.

the processional cycle. Which could be. either like 10,500 BC or 35,000 BC. >> Right. Or or plus 25,920 years. So, it's. it's it's cycle of that. So, this is the. the thing. I mean, the Sphinx I mean, it. was it's been talked about even like. again, go back to Diodorus Siculus and. Strabo and Herodotus, they talked about. the Sphinx being vastly older. They're. hearing things about it being older. Gaston Maspero and and a lot of the. archaeologists the the early. explorers for that region also mentioned.

it being 12 plus thousand years old, it. being this ancient monument. And there's. strong evidence to support that in that. I mean, you have statues of sphinxes. that predate Khafre. For example, like so when he apparently. built it like there's already we see. statues and imitations of sphinxes, also. lions um. uh before that time. you have the. what's called the Inventory Stele or the. Stele of Khufu's daughter, which was a a. statue that that Khufu being Khafre's.

father. So, Khufu Great Pyramid, Khafre. Middle Middle Pyramid. Uh this this this is rarely. acknowledged, but it tells the story of. that that that Khufu was trying to. repair the Sphinx and dig it out of the. sand. He's Khafre's father, so this this. could be older. But also the name like. the the the oldest name for the Sphinx. is is Rutty and it's it's it's the it's. the two lions. It's um. uh Sekhmet and what's the name of the. other lion? I can't I have it here.

Um. What is it? Uh. I can't remember the name of the other. lion god, but it's it it literally means. the two lions and gate. So, it's like. this lion's gate. It's it's guarding a. gate. But this is one of the oldest. names for it. So, if it if it was indeed. a lion and it's facing due east and we. know that that things like procession of. the processional cycles, processional. numerology. uh is deeply embedded in many many.

cultures all around the world. This is. one of the other key bits of context. that seems to point to an. a consolidated origin point for. knowledge and data of the cosmos and of. geodetic data. Um but knowledge of the. procession of the equinoxes is one of. those, which is the you know, basically. you mark this by what constellation is. behind the rising sun on the vernal. equinox facing east. So, as as we look. east today it's it's somewhere between. the constellation of Pisces and. Aquarius. And and it's it's it's a it's a cycle.

that. denotes or is is due to the Earth's. wobble. All right. So, we have we have at least. three motions of of the planet. We have. the you know, like the rotation of the. Earth, the 24-hour cycle. We have the. orbit of the Earth around the sun. 365 and a quarter days. And then you have the processional. wobble. There's a couple more, actually. And that is And that is basically the. the Earth as it spins does this. describes this little like it's it's. it's axis it describes a circle in. space, which changes the constella- And. it's it's it's a cycle that takes around.

26,000 years, 25,920. years the typical. um description for it. And And what that. means is the backdrop of stars. you know, as we're looking. uh at any at any time is is slowly. changing. It It changes only 1°. uh every 72 years. So, if you're looking. at the horizon like the width of your. thumb over 72 years the the the. basically the relative to the sun the. the the constellations behind the sun. shift. So, today it's.

Pisces. And we're moving into the Age of. Aquarius. And before Pisces was the Age. of Aries. And before Aries was the Age. of Taurus. And you go back far enough to. get to Leo the Lion, which is another I. mean, this the the symbology and and. certainly the dynastic Egyptians as well. as many others had had very similar. constellations and names for all of. these constellations that we do. So, I think there's a good indication the. Sphinx could be a a essentially a. processional marker talking about a. specific time, which in our current.

cycle would have been I think, yeah, around around 10,000 something BC, but. you could potentially add a whole cycle. onto that. to go back another nearly 26,000 years. Which is which is an interesting. possibility. >> Yeah, it's it's interesting, but it's. also nuts. It's nuts. It's nuts. comparative to our conventional. timeline. What is the conventional. timeline for the acceptance of. astrological signs? That I mean constellations This this is.

I mean there's no doubt about the. I mean the precession cycle is an. observable Right. thing. It's it's. >> But when but naming them like cancer Leo. >> I don't I don't actually know. It goes. back it's it's it's very common across. multiple cultures. One of the craziest. things is actually depicted on the the. ceiling of the Temple of Dendera in. ancient Egypt. The same constellations. that we have Pisces the fish. Aries the ram you know Leo the lion like. it's. >> think is the oldest accepted like if we. put it into perplexity what do you think.

is the oldest accepted. I would suspect it's either that it's. either the Egyptians or the Sumerians. because that's about as far back as as. written knowledge goes. I mean it was. the Sumerians followed by the Egyptians. I don't know what they're. if the Sumerians had a zodiacal. acknowledgement but certainly the. dynastic Egyptians did and that seems to. have progressed from there down every. everyone and and the interesting thing. This is we have a sponsor perplexity. Yeah. AI sponsor. So clay tablets from. Mesopotamia Sumerian later Babylonian in. the late 2nd millennium.

BC give the oldest secure written. constellation names including the. figures like the lion the bull and the. scorpion. These early star lists such as. Babylonian three stars each. catalogs and later the MUL.APIN. tablets. What is that? You know what. that is? No. Systematically record stars. and constellations and were compiled. roughly between 1200 and 1000 BCE. drawing on an even old on even older. tradition. So it's at least. 1000 BCE.

>> Yeah, it says here that the icon. the iconography of star animals similar. to these constellations appear on. prehistoric seals vases and gaming. boards from Mesopotamia may go back as. far as 4000 BC. I think I think if you. go to like go back to Tepe and and. Martin Sweetman's theories that that a. lot of the the animal depictions on. there may be may be showing. constellations. I don't believe they're. the the the typical zodiacal. constellations but it's. I mean what's what's interesting is. Let's see what they found at Gobekli.

Tepe. Let's see what perplexity thinks. No clear universally accepted. constellation names have been identified. at Gobekli Tepe but some carvings appear. to depict animals in positions that may. correspond to parts of later. constellations such as Scorpius. Sagittarius or Cygnus. Cygnus? Cygnus? Cygnus. Cygnus. According to a minority of researchers. most archeologists. remain cautious. Yeah, minority being. Martin Sweetman probably. Seeing these. are powerful symbolic animal figures.

like a scorpion vulture and other birds. of prey and arguing that firm links to a. true zodiac or named constellation are. speculative. But interesting. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's it's remarkable. I. mean and. more so even just in those markers is. one of the I mean for me the. it's sacred geometry and and the the. precessional numerology that's encoded. I mean this is Hamlet's Mill. what's what's in the book Hamlet's Mill. that that essentially shows you that. this a lot of the sacred geometry which.

is it's like a numeral system or these. sacred numbers that are repeated through. geometry time distance even cosmic. cycles as we measure them and then they. appear again and again. through ancient cultures. and in their origin stories and even in. their architecture. I mean the. you know the Great Pyramid's probably. the the best example of being the I mean. you've I'm sure you've heard that it's. it's like a scale model of the northern. hemisphere at a at a ratio of 43,200 to.

1. It's absolutely insane and it's it it's. in encodes so much more knowledge when. you when you consider it from that. perspective. Knowledge that we can't explain. uh. through the dynastic Egyptians or by any. capabilities that they had. Uh it encodes geodetic data that's in. terms of the the very specific shape of. the earth it being an oblate spheroid. like it encodes that information um in. it How so? Well so.

So 43,200 is is an interesting number to. start with just because. the number of seconds in a day is 86,400. so in 12 hours of the day. in in like a it's the amount of sunlight. the basically the the the amount of time. on a hemisphere in half of a day in. exactly 12 hours is 43,200. It's. it's 432 is one of those numbers that. shows up again and again and again and. again. So the Great Pyramid at a ratio. of 43,200. to 1 is essentially a scale model of the.

northern hemisphere. If you take the the. height of the Great Pyramid. and this includes the socket that it. sits on but you take that height you. multiply it by 43,200 you get the polar. radius. of the earth. So from the center of the. earth to the North Pole. almost exactly within a couple hundred. feet and even more impressive. is when you take the. the perimeter length of the Great. Pyramid and you multiply that by 43,200. you get the equatorial circumference.

of the earth. within about 300 feet which is super. interesting because. it's flexible it changes. So as as we've. always known there's been multiple. surveys since the 1800s of the Great. Pyramid and it's once its base was. cleared off and we we got its perimeter. length and they we've also had surveys. looking at. you know the how big is the earth. Eratosthenes in like 5 600. um AD in in Greece in in Greece he was. the first one to give it a go by by. measuring sort of the angle of you know. the shadow in two different places over.

a few years and he got the circumference. of the earth to within about 500 miles. That was as close as we got until. you know the 1800s and then the advent. of modern satellite surveys in the 1970s. and 1980s and it the funny thing is is. that the the more advanced we got. as we step closer and closer and right. up to the modern satellite surveys the. closer the number came. to the what the Great Pyramid represents. at this ratio of 43,200. right up to the point where it's like. the it's like the most modern I think.

the. the surveys done in the 80s are still. the ones we use today looking at the you. know the the actual circumference of the. earth is is within about 300 feet of the. measure of the Great Pyramid which. makes I mean it's that's within the. margin of error it's within the. variability of the margin of the earth. cuz if of the of the circumference of. the earth cuz you have like the moon and. the sun on one side it it literally you. would you measure it every day it's. going to change about two or 300 feet. just because gravitational forces are. pushing on the earth. So that also means that is what.

interesting is is if in in two seconds. of time if you were standing on the. equator. then the earth rotates precisely the. length of the perimeter of the Great. Pyramid. So in two seconds it goes. basically the earth turns. uh. the same length as the perimeter length. of the Great Pyramid. What's. even crazier and so you have you have. this measure expressed in. distance and in time given that's this. it's this significant number that. measures the.

man of seconds in 12 hours. It it it also encodes geodetic data. So. the earth isn't a perfect sphere right? We deviate from being a perfect sphere. because and this is thank Christ because. it's it's like that rotation that the. oblate spheroid nature of the earth that. the the. um what's it called the the spin the. [ __ ] I don't know what these the the the. spin motion of the earth essentially. like these the. like a dryer Mhm. for some reason I. can't think of the word. Uh it's it's.

flattening our tops a little bit and we. bulge a little bit at the center around. the equator right? So we we it's like. that that that's that that's that spin. force is making us bulge a bit. So what. it means is is that if you measure the. earth this way like north to south. around and then east to west it's going. to be slightly longer east to west. >> I think it's I think it's it's it's. something like 70 or 80 no 40 miles I. think is the difference something like. that. Maybe that's the radius. difference. But it's it's I think it.

yeah radius or diameter might be 30 or. 40 miles difference. It's just this it. is this slight equatorial bulge and what. it means is that. you know when you draw latitude and. longitude lines on the planet and that. latitude being north south longitude. being east west if you get down to the. equator. Now obviously they you know the. shapes of them change as you go up. towards the poles. but the the the latitude lines are. straight. >> I saw this recently I don't know how. accurate it is. It says it's accurate. That's earth without water. Without.

water. That's nuts. >> Yeah. Rocky little ball isn't it? Bro. That's crazy. Yeah, some of those oceans. are deep. I don't know where that Yeah, you think? Yeah. That's cool. That's bananas. That that almost looks exaggerated to me. that a little bit. Wow, the most. accurate model of earth's shape. accounting not only for its rotation but. also also for the distribution of the. masses inside the planet making the. surface slightly uneven and deviating. from a perfect sphere. Unlike a school.

globe which depicts earth as an ideal. ball the geoid resembles a slightly. flattened at the poles and bulging at. the equator potato with a height. variations of to 100 meters due to the. gravitational anomalies. This shape arises from the centrifugal. That's the word I was looking for. There. it is. force of the earth's rotation. which inflates the equator by an. additional 21 kilometers compared to the. polar diameter. Interestingly interestingly the geoid is. used in GPS navigation and geo geodesy.

geodesy geodesy geodesy to precisely. measure elevations above sea levels as. oceans follow this uneven surface. Imagine if you shrank the earth to the. size of a basketball the geoid's. irregula- irregularities would be. smaller than the roughness of the orange. skin. Wow. Of an orange skin, yet still. impact our daily lives. Wow. >> it's it's it must be a little. exaggerated cuz I think that that's. clearly rougher than a. orange than the That's clearly thicker.

than the roughness of an orange skin, but yes. Yeah, that's an exact It gives us an. example. But it So, yeah. So, we're a. little little bulgy around the middle, little flatter on top. So, when you get down to latitude and. longitude at the equator, right? So, the. at the equator, what it means if you. draw that cube 1°. of of. of latitude and 1° of longitude, it's. not a perfect cube. Okay? So, it's a. little bit further east to west than it. is north to south. So, if you cut that down into into like.

60 seconds of latitude and longitude, it's a it's a smaller little square, but. same proportions. You have the same. ratio. And if you actually take the. um. uh the Great Pyramid. So, there's. The thing to understand about the Great. Pyramid. is that there's It sits on a socle. I. don't know if I've talked about this. before, but so, you know, we know. because we have casing stones. We have that 51° 51 minutes angle of. these casing stones. So, we were able to. really act and we have a few of those.

still around the base from where they. fell off. So, from that we can determine the. height and we also have this perimeter. length using the casing stones. Um. pretty very accurately the survey. And. now, those casing stones It doesn't sit. direct on the bedrock. The pyramid. actually sits on top of a 55 cm socle. So, it's this it's this little platform. that sticks It sticks out about this. much. And it's 55 cm high and it's like sticks. out. So, you have the casing stones and. you have this little socle that it sits. on. So, you have these two methods of.

measuring the pyramid. You can measure. the the perimeter length around the. casing stones or you can measure the. perimeter length around the socle. Socle's slightly larger. And if you get The funny thing is is if. you get down. to 1/4 of 1 second of latitude and. longitude. at the equator. the longitude is exactly within. inch or two the the perimeter length of. the socle and the and the latitude the. north-south is the perimeter length of.

the pyramid. So, it's encoding the geodetic shape of. the Earth. The ratio of latitude to. longitude is encoded incredibly. accurately. in these perimeter lengths on the. pyramid. And it's just That's just. It's just a coincidence. Well, so, this. this would be. this would be the skeptic reductionist. answer to this stuff is is that. >> right? say, "Well, you're just playing. with numbers." It's like, "Well, the.

it's it's. The numbers are the None of those things. None of You can Anyone can check that. data for themselves. Like the 43,200 to. 1 ratio of the pyramid, the fact that. that's the number of seconds in 12 hours. of the day. There's so many I mean, this. this By the way, 432 turns up all over. the place. The Kali Yuga said to be. 43,200 years old. Um the radius of the. sun is 40 is 432,000. miles. Um. the King's List from the Sumerians is a.

total of 43,200. Oh, no. 432,000. years with one king reigning for 43,200. years. So, this 432 is one of those. one of those sacred geometry numbers. that keeps turning up again and again. Um but what's always been fascinating to. me in in the geodetic information. encoded in the Great Pyramid is. is like you have to understand the shape. and size of the Earth to to get that. ratio so accurately embedded in that in. that monument. And we weren't able to do. that.

um basically until really recently with. satellite service, but we certainly. weren't able to measure longitude even. until like the turn of the 18th century, like James Cook's second voyage of. discovery. We couldn't measure We. couldn't accurately figure out where we. were on those. on those those east to west traverses. Like accurately reflecting longitude in. the pyramid is is a It's It's. astonishing. It's one of those things that also. relates to ancient maps having accurate. coastlines with longitude on them, but. what seems clear is that somebody in.

some at some point in the past had. very accurate knowledge not only of. cosmic cycles, but also of the shape and. size of the Earth itself. Like in terms. of they surveyed it, they understood its. shape, they understood the ratio um of. latitude to longitude on the planet and. it's all encoded in this monument. And. it's just It's kind of scratching the. surface on what's. in the in you know, encoded in the Great. Pyramid, but. I mean, the numbers are all there. You. can You can add these up. Have you ever. had a debate with anybody that thinks.

that this is all coincidence and that. you could take these numbers and just. kind of monkey around with them and make. any kind of equation you want if you. just draw arbitrary distances between. certain things? Uh no. Not Not. >> Cuz some people do believe that, right? >> Yeah, I mean, so, I think I think. there's a difference between. when you talk about numbers versus. ratios. Like. it does Once you get to ratios, then it. doesn't matter how you measure them. Like that's it's like the ratio It. doesn't matter you measure them in. mosquito dicks or inches or whatever,

right? It's It's all centimeters. So, ratios are one thing. Numbers I There is. a lot of I mean, the whole system of. measurement, how we measure time, the. imperial system of measurement, where. the mile comes from, all of that stuff. does have these deep roots in sacred. geometry and and basically cosmic. Then. that's again, all pointing towards a. common. system or a common set of knowledge that. came from. But I've not debated somebody. about this. I don't know that you. I mean, you can You can't really. question the numbers, but there there's. some incredible.

just I guess coincidences that that are. in this whole system that do point. towards like I mean, they get really. crazy. So, here's here's another one. Um. which I just This one just pickles my. noodle. It's. So, you know, you We know that I've said. this before. I think that the sun is, you know, moon's 400 times smaller than the sun. and it's the sun's 400 times further. away. So, you get this That's how we get. total solar eclipses. That's really. nice, but there's also a another sacred. number encoded in their ratios relative.

to their diameters and the distance from. Earth that's the same between the moon. and the sun. And that's 108. So, if you. if you take the diameter of the moon. at whatever it is, 2160 miles. By the way, 2160 is also the length of a. great month in the precessional cycle. That's 1/12 of 25,920. But 2160 miles * 108, that gives you the. more or less the distance between of of. the moon to the Earth. So, moon's. Uh yeah. So, so, it's a The moon's. diameter * 108 gives you the distance to.

the Earth. The sun's diameter. um. which is 86,400. miles, which is the number of seconds in. a 24-hour period. Times that by 108 and you get. the That's the the distance of the sun. from the Earth. So, it's like that relationship between. their diameter and their distance from. the Earth is exactly the same between. the sun and the moon. And it's 108. That that ratio So, it's the lunar. lunar diameter over lunar distance. equals solar diameter over solar.

distance. And I mean, What a coincidence. >> What a coincidence. Yeah, and it's 108. And by the way, there are temples and. places like Cambodia that have 108. pillars. Like 108 is another one of. these sacred numbers that have been. encoded into the way we measure stuff, the way we count for time. So, there's. there's a there's this huge. there's a huge sort of um. rabbit hole of sacred geometry that and. and precessional numerology that seems. to point. to some point in the past someone having.

all of this understanding to create. these systems and to measure things and. to do so accurately to the point where. the more accurate we get in our. measurements, the closer we get to these. the the ratios and and data reflected in. these ancient structures. It's just And and you can't attribute. that to these the cultures that were on. those like the ancient Egyptians or the. Greeks. It's like, "Where did this information come from? And how come it's represented in. cultures from. you know, the Norse mythology through, you know, South American.

Native Indian myths to, you know, these. numbers show up again and again as as. was shown by by Hamlet's Mill, this book. that that basically this tome that that. put that information together and said, "Well, this All of it seems to point to. this, you know, this this origin point. of of someone with this information.". And it's just it's one more of these. contextual points when you combine it. with the human timeline and climate and. cataclysm and. the all the endless other other. contradictions in the megalithic. architecture on these sites and stuff. like that that that makes this concept.

that we've been advanced significantly. advanced us or someone has. And they've. we've they've left all these signs and. signals and breadcrumbs for us to try. and follow to figure out. Wow. >> Yeah. Wow. Yeah, the pyramid is cool. It's. It is just wow. It is my favorite. subject of all time. Yeah. The the lost. civilization subject, I think, is my. favorite subject cuz it ties all of them. together. You know, and the mystery of the human.

origins. It All of it. Yeah, it's just I think it's I think. it's plausible. I I think it's probable. even that that we've risen and have been. wiped out. I mean, I mean, I was just saying I just spent 5. weeks in Peru again. I just came back. like 10 days ago. And. I mean, that place more than anywhere. else is is both more mysterious and more. obvious that there was something else. going on long time ago. More obvious. Yeah, more of In in in the. the delta between these technological.

levels. Like so, in Egypt, you know, it. did not I don't You never want to. underestimate what the dynastic. Egyptians were capable of. They had this. long civilization of 300 or sorry, 3,000. years, and they did some incredible work. So, you know, they're they're really good. stonework. It gets the lines can get a. little blurred. I mean, you still see. the difference, but in Peru, it's it's. different, particularly in the Sacred. Valley. Um places like Tiwanaku in Bolivia, but. there there you have these very distinct. lines. Like in terms of technology in.

the stonework that the and the layering. of the stonework in that place. Um today, I mean, typically it's mostly. all attributed to the Inca, but the Inca. were really only around for like maybe. 300 years maximum at their the Inca. Empire was barely 100 years. before the Spanish wiped them out in. 1533. And so, it's relatively young, right? It's a 1200 AD roughly to 1533. And they attribute most everything to. the Inca, and it's just not You just. look at it and go, "This is not remotely.

uh possible." It's it's There's a huge. difference. You see these these three. different layers of architecture. Um there's a a guy in Peru that um has. been researching this stuff for 50-plus. years, him and his father uh Jesus um. Gamarra, who's has this classification. system for the. the architecture in Peru. Uh so, you have He calls them Hanan. Pacha, Urin Pacha, Ikin Pacha. The three. let three levels This This has These. words have many meanings in Quechua. But, it starts with like the oldest stuff.

seems to be this monolithic carved. really bizarrely carved mountains, like. rock bedrock. It's not They're not. blocks. They It seems vastly ancient. Uh there's. all these channels and massive. structures and shapes carved into the. the living rock of the mountain. And. it's like the lowest level usually shows. the most erosion. Then you have the megalithic stuff like. you see in Saksaywaman. You've seen pictures of that, you know, Saksaywaman and then the core of Machu. Picchu, yeah, Ollantaytambo, these giant.

in the streets of Cusco, these huge. megalithic blocks that are all got these. perfect joints between them. You can't. fit a razor blade in between them. They're flowing. They're they're mortarless walls. They're they're they're incredible. It's. one of the best most amazing parts of. the Sacred Valley is the proliferation. of this sort of megalithic work. But. then on top of that, you have the Inca work, the Ikin Pacha. It's literally cobblestones that are put. together with mud mortar. It's like. local rock. And they've stuck it. together. And so, you have this. you have these very distinct layers. Um I have pictures of this stuff, Jamie,

in the South America um. um directory on there. But, it's it's. super clear. Like there's no blending. Like it's it's like, boom, okay, here's. here's the oldest layer, here's the next. layer, here's the Inca layer. And it's. always in that order. Like it's always. like Hanan Pacha on the bottom, then the. megalithic stuff on top, and then the. the Inca work on top of that, cuz they. were repairing stuff. So, even the Inca never talked about them. making sites like Saksaywaman. They have. all these other stories for it. Like. the, you know, the. giants built it is one of the. explanations you work. Yeah, this is a. great example. So, it's.

This is the Intipunku, the Sun Gate. So, you see the difference You see that. clear distinction in the architecture. You have the megalithic stuff, and then. you have the the repair work on top. Um the cobblestone work. And it's just This is all I Once you see. this, you can't really unsee it uh as. you go all over sac the the Sacred. Valley. And some of these some of these This is. small compared to the type of stuff you. see in Saksaywaman, where some of the. blocks get up towards 200 tons, 150-plus. tons. Um.

And all of the same type of stone. Yeah, this is Tiwanaku. And it's so, you know, there's this. long history of of unknown. It's It's. So, in Egypt, you have this connection, a cultural connection that, you know, they have their kings list. They have. They talk about Zep Tepi. They clearly. have this connection to whatever builder. culture was there. They talk about it. I mean, it's part of. their origin stories. But, in South. America, you have something else. happened. Like there's a big gap. Like. you you don't have the Inca don't have. that. that precursor culture. They came from. the south. They talk Their origin story.

comes from Lake Titicaca up into the. Sacred Valley, and then they took over. There are a couple of precursor cultures. to the Inca, but. there's this huge. unknown It's like we we just don't know. what happened. Um. you know, there are there are other. sites in Peru. Like Graham Hancock's. been out there recently. I was out there. just recently, too. There are There are. pyramid sites in Peru that are 5,000. years old. Um places like Caral. They're uh they're not sophisticated. It's incredible work in terms of the. amount of stone that's been used, but.

it's not, you know, it's not megalithic. or or um or precise, but there are. pyramid cultures that stretch back at. least 5,000 years. But, in terms of the. real megalithic precision work in South. America, we have no clue who did that. Um. In fact, there's. probably the strangest site one of the. my favorites is is Tiwanaku Puma Punku. Tiwanaku. You heard of this place in. Bolivia? Sure. Tough to get to. It's. amazing. It's up at up in the up on the. high Altiplano, like 12 and 1/2 thousand. feet um. uh above sea level.

It's like nothing else on the planet. The the stonework there is massive. It's. precise. It's playful. There are just. endless 90-degree turns, perfectly. polished surfaces, like saw marks, cut. marks. It's. You have some images of this? Yeah, I. have a Tiwanaku directory there, Jamie. And then uh. And it's it's. it's quite well preserved because it was. buried in mud. It's been It's slowly. been excavated. And.

it's there's there is a lot of evidence. that suggests this place is at least 10. to 12,000 years old, again using um. Yeah, endless like this sort of andesite. works. See, this is a left turn here for. some reason. But, but it's this playful. nature if you like the H blocks are. famous at this place, but they just have. these endless little insets and don'ts. Like stuff like this. Like this is one. of my favorite blocks to show people. That is a You're looking down on top So, the ground's down, so I'm looking down. this this thin channel that's been cut. into this block, and it has all of these.

little drill holes in it. Little And. these are like tiny little drill holes, and this channel's about this wide. And. it's cut into this block. You have. several blocks with features like this. Like it's clearly something's been. attached to this. Like it's How it How. How do you cut this. in stone? And this is, you know, thousands of years old. But, it's it's a remarkable site full of. these sort of examples. And. it's, you know, attributed in general to. uh a culture that lived there around.

1100 AD. So, you still They're still. digging stuff out of the out of the. ground. It was It was destroyed in a. cataclysm or or a just some sort of. massive mud flood, I think, was the end. of this civilization. However, that's me. and Graham. Um. And this is at 12,000 feet or 12 and. 1/2, yeah. So, what would be the. reason for establishing a civilization. at 12,000 feet? >> It gets strange because. there's So, the the modern. First, the modern dating for it.

comes from a a handful of carbon dates, right? They found some carbon dates, and. they go, "Okay, 1100 AD." But, they're. They've also found carbon dates that go. back to 1500 BC, and they just dismiss. them as being unreliable. I literally think the only ex these. carbon dates could literally be the last. person someone lit a campfire there or. was buried there. There's a guy named Arthur Posnansky, who's a Polish professor that lived He. spent 50 years on this site, died in La. Paz, published his works in 1945. I have. a copy of his books um The Cradle of. American Man, it's called. He spent 50 years uh investigating this.

site. He He dated it at 15,000 BC. uh based on a whole range of other s-. like geological data, um. astroarchaeological dating, which is It. has these alignment properties we can. talk about. It, you know, um. he found the skull of a toxodon there. Which toxodon is an extinct Pleistocene. era mammal that went out with the young. in the Younger Dryas, 13,000 BC. There. seems to be depictions of saber-tooth. tigers and smilodons uh in some of the. artwork there. So, you have some They.

all say They say they're all pumas, but. some of them have small canine. Some of. them have really big canine. I mean, why. is there a difference here? Um he dates it culturally in terms of it. being the origin point for. not only other cultures in South. America, but also Central and North. America through uh the symbology, the. chakana, the Inca cross. There's all. these other features. He used a whole. raft of scientific techniques to date. that site and to to support his. conclusion that it was vastly ancient. Uh and then that's kind of all been.

thrown aside because they found a few. carbon remains that were at the, you. know, 1100 AD mark. Why would you build. a civilization there at that altitude? You wouldn't. You just wouldn't. It's too hard. It's. above the tree line. There's no natural. trees. And this is where it gets wacky. because. today, Tiwanaku was a port. Like they. admit like this even the archaeologists, they talk about Puma Punku. It's like a. port. There was something industrial. happening there. The stonework If you look at Posnansky's. original images with the There's all.

sorts of interlocking bits of stone and. sluice gates and hydrodynamic features. on this place. This is a giant step. pyramid that had this. reservoir in the same It's crazy. But, they tell you it's a port. And it was a. port on on Lake Titicaca, which today is. about 10 miles away. The shoreline is. about 10 miles away. H.S. Bellamy in the 1800s discovered a. strand line. that runs basically through where. Tiwanaku was. So, strand line is like, you know, basically the shoreline of an.

ancient water body of water. And it can. be formed through just gentle wave. action over a long period of time. It. can be formed from like a high-intensity. period of of waves, you know, something. hammering a shoreline. But, he he. measured this He found this shoreline. that runs about 400 miles. So, it's it's. like across the Altiplano from. Sillustani in the north way down south. towards La Paz. But, he's he documented. this strand line. What's really weird. And And And at that strand line, Tiwanaku would have been. at the shores of Lake Titicaca. It would.

have been a small island or a peninsula. Um the lake level would have been right. there. When it was And it would That. fits it being a port. However, the strand line is today it's tilted. The strand line is tilted. So, obviously. water when it makes you know, a body of. water when it makes a strand line it's. flat. Like it's it's finds its level. But only geological processes and I. assume over a fair amount of time can. give it this tilt of a couple degrees, which is what they measured. There's no.

doubt there is a strand line, but it's. tilted. So, I question whether in the period. that Tiwanaku was built 1,100 AD. less than a thousand years between then. and now that there's been enough. geological upheaval in the Andes to tilt. this strand line a couple of degrees. I. don't think it can happen anything like. that fast. I think I think I think the strand line. and the evidence that it was a port. shows us that this city was in fact. vastly more ancient than that. And that it was destroyed by.

by cataclysm, by flooding from the the. melting of the glaciers. Uh in the. Andes. There's been There's strong. evidence there that it's seen several It. might have seen multiple cycles of uh. of of glaciation. And then the climate. would have been different during this. period. Like the climate changed to make. it this arid sort of inhospitable place. that it is today. Like where it's just. tough to exist at 12 and 1/2 thousand. feet above the tree line where hardly. anything except like three varieties of. potato grow. They must have had better climate or I.

don't know, lower altitude. But but a. better climate at least. >> is possible? I don't think so. I mean it's. >> does that change the elevation? years for that. Like. >> Oh, boy. Because like Titicaca, I mean. that was sea level like it is sea water. Like it's not today. It has like unique. species in it. Like a there's a native. seahorse. It's the only one but it's. brackish water. So, it was originally. part of the ocean that was uplifted. And. it's been uplifted 12 and 1/2 thousand. feet. But this is millions of millions of. years. And it's today fed by these. glaciers. So, it's slightly it's it's.

brackish. It's like it's it's a. combination of salt and um and uh and. fresh water. But it has these species. that can only have come from the ocean. But this is like long geological. processes. So, I think it's more likely that there was. just a different like like sub climate. or like a a mini a climate zone in that. area that must have supported that life. cuz the place is massive. It's. it's it's the site where you go is is. only a the barest fraction of what is. actually there under the ground. They've. done scans. They've found entire buried.

step pyramids at this site. The farmers. in all the fields around it are can't. they ran into you know, these big blocks. occasionally and like god damn it it. ruined the tractor again. And it's a big. andesite block from Tiwanaku. Whoa. >> Yeah. Yeah, so it's and it's it's a. super mystery. And it's And it's also. the place where those tri dactyl those. tri dactyl mummies are. Right. So, Nazca. right a lot of a lot of that comes from. South America. That's right. And there's. um That gets real weird. It does. >> take all those things into. consideration. Yeah. Things get real.

weird. Well, you know, there's also this evidence for. technology and alignments there. I mean. is one of the things Posnansky based his. dating on was this was this structure. there called the Kalasasaya. There's a. there's a big step pyramid there called. the Akapana. Then there's this. Kalasasaya, which is big rectangular. mass. They called it the Stonehenge of. the Americas where originally because it. was just these giant stones. that formed this big rectangular. structure. Today it's been They've left. the big stones there, but they've kind. of filled in the gaps and they've built. the walls and stuff again.

And what Posnansky found was that it is. a extremely accurate solar observatory. Kind of like a I mean similar to. Stonehenge in some ways, but. if you stood. in the center of the um the west wall. and you looked east so this big. rectangle. >> an image of this so I can look at? Yeah, if you go to Tiwanaku there's kind of. like an overlook. Um. if you bring them all up I can show you. Or you can type in Tiwanaku probably. find pictures of it um Kalasasaya.

K A L A S A Y. S A something like that. Um. But it's it's it it's like it's Imagine. a big rectangular huge rectangular. uh that's in Yeah, there there so that's. it there. So, actually it's like there's. an inner structure there, but this is. So, you see all those standing stones? Those are the original stones. So, it. actually goes all the way around and all. that far side. So, it has an internal. structure as well. Interesting. So, the. the larger stones in the.

>> Okay. And then they built the smaller. wall later. >> That's all modern. Modern as far as. >> The last 50 years. Oh. Yeah, they. reconstructed it. If you go back to. Posnansky's original excavations from. the early 1900s Wow, they did. all you. see is the big standing stones. It's been quarried. Like this is another. one of those places where. literally like the core of La Paz is. made from stones from Tiwanaku. Like. it's the whole town that's here. There's. a massive church that's. been built. There's They made They made. mines and sewer systems. They It was.

just like the most convenient source of. stone. And And in Tiwanaku particularly. like they're very square. Like it's. really linear beautiful blocks of. andesite. Perfect building material. Why. wouldn't you just take it and build. cities? So, they they were right up until the. 30s they were just wagon loads and wagon. loads of wagon of stone every day every. day. So, that place has been used as a. quarry for You have to. similar to a lot of places in Egypt for. hundreds if not thousands of years. And. but. it's so So, what you're looking at is. kind of you got to use your imagination. to look at the older pictures to even.

And even then it's barely a fraction. um I think of what's actually there. under the ground. But what's interesting. is Posnansky figured out that if you. stand in the middle of that of the west. wall like so looking this way. and if you looked at the the corner. pillars on the east wall. it showed you um. ex The sun on the on the solstices would. rise exactly on the outside corners. of these pillars. Now, this this is if. you it looks like that to the eye, but. if you measure it with um.

precision instruments you find it's. about 18 minutes off now. And so, when. it was aligned so it's it's similar to. that the Sphinx and like when was it. lined up with Leo? So, when were when. was the structure lined up exactly on. the solstices? And so, the the motion of the Earth that. would affect that is called the change. in the obliquity of the ecliptic. It's. another one of the Milankovitch cycle. So, you have We talked about precession. of the equinoxes, which is the wobble. So, then you also have this tilt that. this change in the tilt of the Earth.

So, the actual tilt goes back and forth. I think between 22 and 25 degrees. something like that. But it's a 41,000. year cycle. And it's basically the change in the. axis of the Earth relative to the. equator of the sun or the ecliptic. plane. So, this you know, if you project. out the the equator of of the sun where. all the planets are orbiting um it's. it's the change in the Earth's tilt. relative to that plane. Change the. obliquity of the ecliptic. And so, on. that cycle it's a 41,000 year cycle.

turns out that he dated it using the. star charts of the time at around 15,000. BC. Now, his work was was validated. in the early 2000s by the Bolivian This. is a funny story. Bolivian head of. archaeology um in Bolivia and these. astronomers that went there and said, "Let's check Posnansky's work using the. astronomical almanac more up-to-date. uh information.". And they said, "Yes, indeed he's he was.

correct. Like if if you assume this was. a an aligned alignment um. thing this would have lined up right on. basically 12,000 years ago, 13,000 years. ago, 10,000 BC or plus 41,000 years I. guess for the cycle. So, and the guy Gustav I've forgotten his. name. Damn it. But the guy who was in. charge of the Bolivian Department of. Archaeology at the time. once he made that announcement. lost his job.

And I don't think he's ever been talked. of since. Like he's Yes, they. the official dates for Tiwanaku haven't. changed. However, these guys also. figured out that if you spun it around. and you looked from it's also aligned to. the sunsets on those solstices. So, if. you go on the west wall and oh sorry, you go on the east wall and look west it. also perfectly lines with the sunsets. You also get the solstices in the. center. So, you know, solstices being so. equinoxes in the center. Solstices being. the shortest and longest day of the year. where the sun's furthest north and. furthest south. And then equinoxes in the middle. So,

it's perfectly aligned with that, but. just off kilter a little bit because of. that motion of the Earth. Um. uh the the change in the obliquity of. the ecliptic. So, it is it's it's not an. accident. Put it that way. It's not it's. not just a coincidence that it's that. it's aligned this way. It was it was set. up that way to be a solar observatory. And if you look at it with an open mind, it's an insane date. Yeah, it is. I mean. it's 10 Even even within this cycle at. 10,000 BC, I mean that's the Younger. Dryas period. Like this is. you know, this is and.

it it's a significant marker for South. America because I can tell you the. Younger Dryas had a tremendous impact on. South America. Something like 75% of the. megafaunal. species in in South America went. extinct. Although you are up in the. Andes. They may have been more protected from. the. the full extent. Who knows though? Fires. and and smoke. They would have had the. you know, the the blackening of the. skies and all the rest of it that would. have happened during that Younger Dryas. extinction event. But yeah, something happened. I mean. they they. Again, there's been.

I think there's been a a cycle of. glaciation and deglaciation in the Andes. that's affected the lake and and a lot. of the stuff up there in particular. uh just because we know that there are. structures Get this. There are. structures beneath the waters of Lake. Titicaca today made from red sandstone. that match kind of the oldest layers at. Tiwanaku. So, they might have been made. Beneath the waters? Beneath the waters. So, the lake level must have been lower.

And then the lake And then something. happened where that a lot of water got. added and then Temple found Lake. Titicaca and this is in 2000. Stone anchor, what is that word? Addin addinamonol? >> 660 ft long and animal. And animal? Oh, stone anchor and animal bones were. found amongst our artifacts scientists. Wednesday others Wednesday said it's. connected to Wednesday said they had. found beneath South America's Lake. Titicaca in what there's something wrong.

with this translation that could all. these words are jammed together even. where it says Titicaca then science is. no space. My 5-year-old website. Yeah, but that seems weird like it's like. recoded or something, right? After 18. days of diving below the clear waters of. Titicaca scientists said Tuesday they. have discovered a 6660. ft long 160 ft wide temple. A terrace for crops pre-Incan road and a. 2600. ft containing wall. Holy [ __ ] Yeah, I.

strongly support the hypothesis that was. found by the what is that word? Atat. Atahualpa. Atat Atat something like that it's a. clearly a Peruvian word. Atahualpa 2000. expedition are the ruins of a submerged. pre-Columbian temple said Eduardo Pareja. a Bolivian scientist who was among those. explored the site around 90 miles. northeast of the Bolivian capital of La. Paz. Yeah. So the stuff underneath the water?

>> it's filmed. They have film of that. Can. we see what that looks like? Try to find it. Thought this was easier cuz I couldn't. find a good video. Oh, it's got to be a. video. >> Yeah, I'm sure it exists somewhere but I. have to. >> Right. Oh my God. So it said made of a. $200 in the water 65 to 100 ft deep. I'd. love to know exactly how deep does it. say how deep it was cuz. I mean that's a significant change in. the level of the lake. So yeah, Lake Titicaca is 12,464. ft above sea level.

>> That is bananas. We went and stayed out on an island on. the lake with no electricity. The sky at. night was absolutely phenomenal. >> If you were a gambler, how old do you. think that is? Uh. yeah, I would put it at least. I'd say at least in that. 12 to 15,000 years if not significantly. older. I think I don't know that there. were periods of time in that lake where. that level was that low. Um it's. what what's crazy is that there's been a. variance like there's there's structures.

beneath the current lake level so the. water was lower and then we know from. the strand line that the water was. God, what is it? I think 40 m almost. higher than what it is now when it would. have been at the shores of Tiwanaku so. >> a long time period of change. >> Yes, and the tilted strand line so if if. you were talking about Tiwanaku if I was. a gambler I would put it at tens of. thousands of years. I don't think I. don't even my as in get and this is. speculation I don't think it fits even. within the 10 to 12,000 year cycle. I. think it's got to be tens like multiple.

tens of thousands of years for that to. be. to be um uh where it is and in fact when. I was there literally like 2 weeks ago. we made some observations that I hadn't. made there but I spent a bunch of time. at Tiwanaku over the years but we. figured out that those big pillars of. that Kalasasaya we thought they were and. it's like they're granite. The ones on. one side they're actually granite and. they're very heavily eroded like like. again you have that big scoop out of it. you can see the bottom where they were. buried.

Um but there's this huge amount of. erosion and I just and granite erodes. way more slowly than things like. limestone so it's just I think the. erosional um. data there needs to be studied because I. don't know how long it would take even. in that environment which gets more. rainfall than place like here it is it. can rain quite a bit you get these. storms. but I I I think it's takes a long time. to erode granite that far and. um the stuff that's been exposed and. above you know the the mud and when. there was it was clearly some sort of.

big mud flood that came in that that. knocked this stuff down uh the stuff. that was been faced down or buried in. the mud has been quite well preserved. and protected but oh is this the film? This is there's like 1 minute of. underwater footage. >> whatever that is it looks Inca. >> Oh yeah but they found Titicaca. underwater archaeology. Yeah, gold Inca. figurine. Well they the Inca were. definitely there at the lake there's the. Island of the Sun Island of the Moon. that's Inca. What is big old dick? >> Well you should see. makes reminds me of like the you should. have see some of the pottery they make.

right like they was we were make I was. making photoshops with my friends with. it. There's. it's literally like dick and balls and. like all this pottery it's they have. this whole erotic section of. the Larco Museum and it's it's it's. always good for a little giggle but So. is is it safe to say that less. exploration has been done at this site? Yes, for sure. It's still being slowly. excavated but yeah this isn't I mean. it's. wheels are grinding slowly that they're. slowly trying to renovate they're trying. to encourage tourism but there's not. there's so much that site that needs to.

be dug up. It's not it hasn't had. anything like the attention Egypt has. >> Is it the same sort of pushback against. dating? Other than that one guy but it's the. same everywhere. Yeah, yeah it's So it's. a like a human characteristic of people. that are in control of the narrative. >> They don't it's tough to explain there's. just that they don't want to deal with. this possibility of a culture down there. that's that old I think it it upsets too. many other apple carts so. to I feel like it's been it's been it's. it's kind of been oh we found these. carbon dates that this fits kind of the.

timeline of what the Inca said too cuz. the Inca talk about emerging from Lake. Titicaca and going north being pushed. out by the Aymara people and if you. think that okay the Inca arrived in the. Sacred Valley from the south around 1200. between 1100 and 1200 AD so therefore. they might have been at Tiwanaku at 1100. AD. so that's it's kind of fits that. timeline but it doesn't mean anything. like the Inca could have been down at. the Tiwanaku could have been there. forever. I think the Inca sure that's. the timeline for that civilization but. And as it was established everywhere you.

see people put a civilization on top of. an older one. >> Oh, that's yeah 100% the Inca were like. very respectful this is the other thing. about the architecture in that part of. the world. the layers are very respect other than. the Spanish they they they smashed it. all up but um the Inca were very. respectful and trying they tried to. rebuild even like where they could. rebuild megalithic structures they would. here's a great example they and I also. think a great example of why uh. why that this not possible that the Inca.

did all of this because it's in such a. short period of time again that. civilization lasted barely a couple. hundred years and there's so much of it. of this stonework and and it's just. complete night and day difference but so. in Cusco there were like 13 high Incas. these these kings of the Inca Empire. like the high Inca the big big dude and. he had his court with his advisors they. called them a panaca. and they and and it was a hereditary. thing so the son would inherit and he'd. make his own panacas his own people.

He'd also have his own palace you. couldn't live like the son couldn't live. in the house of the father so they would. build another spot in Cusco in the city. this Cusco's crazy city it's like. megalithic Inca colonial Spanish modern. all piled up on each other it's it's. amazing city. But if you actually look at where these. these courts were like starting with. Manco Capac the first sort of high Inca. around 1200 AD. you have the the first seven or eight of. these high Inca when they would build. their structures in their palace they.

would rebuild like a megalithic. courtyard it would be these big massive. stones or they they'd inhabit and they'd. repair it they'd have these huge big. megalithic courtyards but as soon as. they as soon as they switched from I. think the eighth to the ninth or the. seventh to the eighth. it's all small cobblestones. It's just that all of their courtyards. like their their palaces were made from. you know small local stones stuck. together with mud mortar it's like well. hang on. are you saying that if if you say that. the that the Inca built all of this.

stone then all of a sudden you're saying. well between one generation and the next. you lost all of this capability to do. the fancy stuff the big stuff. which doesn't make any sense. It's much. more likely what they did was they found. an abandoned ruined megalithic city they. rebuilt it and they ran out of. megalithic courtyards to to renovate for. their next king. It's what happened like the so the first. bunch of these high Incas have these. megalithic courtyards and then the next. right up to the end they're just they're. made from small local cobblestones it's. like. were they just not special enough for.

the big special stonework or it's just. it's you can't imagine within such a. small couple hun couple centuries that. they lose all that capability. It's just. not none of it makes sense. It the only. thing that makes sense when you look at. that architecture down there is yeah. they were rebuilding older stonework. they were repairing it they were putting. their stuff back on top of it. I mean I. have there's so many amazing. Ollantaytambo is one of my favorite. sites down there. just because it's so obvious there's.

these giant 80 90 ton granite blocks. that make up the structure and it's. fallen apart and then in like they've. tried to move these things and in. between them they've just stacked all. these little local crappy little stones. in between them. >> any images of that? I have the. Ollantaytambo directory tons of. pictures. And in fact that's a that's a whole. other interesting story because that. place is another example of what you see. a lot of in Egypt which is this. phenomenon of just something happened. and they went tools down. We're not.

finished we're like we're in the process. of doing stuff and just drop work leave. whatever happens cataclysm social. collapse something happened because. we know a lot about Ollantaytambo. It's at the top of a mountain in the. Sacred Valley. Yes, this is a great example of the. rocks on top of this stuff. Yeah. But up there's a great little drone. video actually one of those video one of. the videos in there is. a drone shot from the top of this it's. at the top of this steep mountain. They. built this structure. Uh no, go back one.

Uh that's at the quarry. So, I'm. standing on one of the stones. So, yeah, that's that's it there. And at the top. of this are these giant. 80-ton granite blocks um that make up. the central what they call it a sun. temple. And we know where those come from. It's. like if you imagine this giant mountain, there's a big old valley to the left of. it, and then another giant mountain, and. at the top of that other giant mountain. is the quarry for this granite. It's. about for. five six miles as the crow flies, but. it's probably like 10 or 12 to walk it.

And I've walked it. We've climbed up to. that quarry. And all the way along this. path. they would have called these tired. stones, which are. giant blocks of granite that they just. they just. they dropped. They just left them there. Tired stones. They called the tired. stones, yeah. And in fact, there's a. road If you see in the very bottom left. here, there's a road that they built. And uh if you look at some of these. other images, I'm standing on some of. these rocks. They actually This one This. is one of the examples. They had to. build the road around it. The modern road around it. And this. block, when you pace it out and measure.

it, it's probably not less than 90 tons. uh of granite. And I mean, we couldn't I. mean, [ __ ] the the equipment to try and. move this to on this would destroy this. road. uh to try and lift this. But these. There's There's dozens There's like a. dozen or more of these things all the. way up to the quarry. uh at Ollantaytambo. But it's just again, it's very obvious. that the Inca rebuilt this. Um but something happened here where. they went tools. Yeah, these are the big. Wow. 80-ton blocks. Uh. in the center of it. And yeah, this is.

one of the examples I I love to show. people. It's like, "Okay, you're telling. me the same people did all of this. stonework? The stuff in the middle and like this. little filler work in here?" Yeah. Uh if. if we weren't attached to a timeline, it. would be Yeah. way more likely that what. you're saying is correct, especially. when you're looking at it like this. Yeah. Look at the massive stones and the. way they're cut and then what's above. them. Yeah. Yeah. Wild stuff, man. >> It really is. It it's stuff What. happened? And the evidence of the mud, that's the other thing. For sure, yeah. At At Tiwanaku, yes,

there was there was a huge And something. happened here like a cataclysm happened. Look at these blocks. These big blocks. are scattered around. Something knocked. this structure over. Um and these are huge blocks of stone. You. Right. What What had happened to cause. that? That's a good example of the Hanan. Pacha, the carved bedrock. You see a lot. of this crazy stuff. In fact, there's also tool marks here. Like in. one of the big Hanan Pacha, if you look, there's like a cross There's like a grid. of cuts in in one of these pictures. here, Jamie. That one's nuts because go back Look at.

that. That one's nuts because it was. removed. >> Right. So, people often say, "Well, this. Hanan Pacha is is a quarry." I'm like, "Really? You take That's not a quarry. I usually. I like this There's many examples like. this where this isn't a quarry. How do. you make the back If that If you're. trying to take a block of stone out, Right. How are you doing. >> the back cut? You can't. You have to. It's the It's like a box. You have to. cut it out. Right. >> Deliberately shaped. And that that block. is not. What I don't know is No. No. I think it. was I think we think. uh we were talking a lot about this.

Most likely, it was meant to house. something. Either other stone or. something else was going on here. This. is. stuff that's since been removed. And in. fact, in one of these uh pictures, there's like a a semicircle with all. these cut grid lines in them. Yeah, these are more lazy tired stones. out in the fields. You go marching. around in these cornfields and you find. them all over the place down here. It's. It's great. Uh That's so strange. It's a. very This is the thing Here we go. So, if you zoom in on that, so this is up the hill. Ooh. And it's.

these are cut marks. There's like a grid. pattern that's been cut into the stone. I don't know how with what, but uh you. actually You can't see this from the. ground, and we were super lucky in that. there was a huge festival going on at in. the town, and all the guards were um at. the festival. So, they'd never let you. get up here otherwise. We climbed up. this halfway up this mountain to to get. a picture of those um cut lines, which. is again, not attributable to the. very basic tools that the Inca had, right? Barely in the Bronze Age. >> This is nuts. >> Yeah, so this is that drone footage.

Also, because the guards weren't there, they'll they would have gone nuts if. they caught us droning, but Oh, really? They don't like you droning? >> No. No, you can't do this. Why What Why are. so many restrictions? I mean, wouldn't this all this, especially from someone like you, wouldn't all this encourage tourism? I. think you'd think so, but it's not uh. the case. In fact, they're getting worse. uh unfortunately in parts of Peru just. in terms of the ropes and the restricted. areas you can't go to. Mhm. Machu. Picchu, unfortunately, you can't get to. the the hit the famous hitching post of.

the sun or the central central. megalithic area. >> Just looking at this drone footage, there's such a clear difference between. the original stone that's below. Yeah. And then the stuff that the more modern. people built above it. There's such a. difference. in the way the stone is constructed. Yeah. Wild stuff, man. It's night and. day. So, this is what I like about So, once you see it in South America, it's. very clear because you just you know, again, in Egypt, you just had a longer. ancient civilization that were able to. develop higher capabilities than say the.

Inca did. In fact, the quarry for this stone is. way on that other mountain across the. valley at the top. Uh you can't quite see it, but it's it's. you know, they hauled these big blocks. along like over very difficult terrain. at high This is still 10,000 ft. >> And what is the high the largest of. these stones? Uh it'd be 100 tons at. least. I mean, it's actually when I'm on. you're closer to 200 tons. Um I think at Tiwanaku, the biggest. sandstone block, I might be wrong, is. something like almost 3 400 something. like that. 300, maybe. It's a big red.

sandstone block. Yeah, are those those. cross marks Is the the the the etchings. to the stone Is that the only evidence. of tool marks or is it. >> No, we we've seen others, particularly. in Tiwanaku. I mean, this is actually up. at the quarry. So, this is. Yeah, this is up at the. uh up that other mountain we hiked up. And it Trust it I can't imagine trying. to carry a ton of rocks up here. This. was hard enough. But um. Yeah, so in in Tiwanaku, you certainly. see a lot more evidence for tool marks. Um. in South America, you you have uh.

tubular drills, you have all sorts of um. kind of crazy. um. what look like tool marks and functional. aspects of stone in particular place. like the Coricancha, which is the big. central structure in Cusco. It was this Today, it's a Catholic. church, but it's it's megalithic, and. the inside walls have all I mean, some. of the blocks have been put out and are. on display, and there's a lot of the. inside structures that are still there. Yeah, there's There are similar sort of. tube drills that have been cut. Um there. is a lot of similarities to some of the.

the tool the tools that you see in. megalithic Egypt. So, there's I I think it's an offshoot I. mean, if I was to bet, I would say it's. either the same or an offshoot of the. same civilization that did the. megalithic stuff. in the other parts of the world, for. sure. Like it's just the megalithic work. itself. It's Just like their skyscrapers in. Tokyo. It Boom. That's it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like. you know, some The reductionists and the. skeptics will say, "Well, it's. it's it's they're solving the you know, it's like trying A guy that you want to.

kill an animal, you make a flint. arrowhead or whatever, right?". I And I can I can understand that. process where you you you are you are. solving a problem and may and getting at. it the same way. However, when it comes. to to walls like stone walls, I I I'm very skeptical that two. completely separate cultures found the. most difficult, the most complex, the. hardest way to make a stone wall and. chose that. Cuz that's what megalithic walls are. Like these giant blocks that are. perfectly.

shaped together. This is the thing, man. In Cusco and in these streets, when you. look at Some of them have been shaken. apart from earthquakes. So, you can see They're complex. Like. they're they're curved. Not only is are. they Not only does the the line is not. straight, so the lines curve where they. join, the face angles change. So, it's it's changes this way, but also. the face angle changes, and they. perfectly match. Just It's It's It's It's mind-boggling. to understand how they might have. actually put those stones together.

This is what it does lead people to the. geopolymer ideas or stone softening. And my buddy Kyle, Brothers of the. Serpent uh podcast, who travels with us, he has a great idea that it was it might. have been a resonance thing where you're. actually resonating. and and and grinding stones together. slowly where the so that once, you know, you you basically they'll match. eventually if you're just like grinding. There are jeweler's tools like. that do similar things. You can cut. through. you know, they do it on real small. stones, but you can cut through granite. with a star shape or whatever with with.

these jeweler's tools that get to the. right resonant frequency, and they just. sort of grind through like an ultrasonic. drill or something that cuts and just. vibrates its way through. If you turn it. off while it's in there, it's like. Excalibur, right? It's it's stuck in the. stone real tight. You have to have this, but you know, obviously, you're talking. some advanced technological capability. to be able to vibrate a. 50-ton stone to to make it grind into. its neighbor. But it's about the most. plausible thing I've heard cuz. I can't imagine that this was done by.

All right, we lift it up, we measure it, we mark the high spots, we rub it down, we take, you know, we put it back up, and it's. saying this for stones that are 150 tons. is just not It's not happening like. that. >> Yeah, let's pull up some images of what. you're talking about, these very bizarre. shapes that they're perfectly matched to. fit into each other like a jigsaw. puzzle. I think in the South America. directory, there Jamie, there'll be some. walls some of the walls in the streets. of Cusco. The speculation is that they. did it in these shapes to protect. against earthquakes. One of them. That's. the Coricancha. Keep going. There's the. wavy lines. It's Yeah, this stuff,

right? >> stuff. This is like the Inca Roca wall. And there's probably some pictures of. the broken sections where you can see. these inside joints. That's. Sacsayhuamán, so it's the same thing, just a much bigger scale. Um. Weird. Yeah, some weird bizarre stuff, yeah. >> Weird stuff. Go back to the curvy What's. the the curvy ones? Back the way. >> Yeah, that one. That the one. That one. Yeah, so that That's nuts, man. What are. the knobs? I don't know. No one knows, right? >> We talked about the knobs endlessly. Yeah, people.

all sorts of speculation. Like people. have geopolymer explanations for them. People have. you know, that a lot of people try to. say they're lifting bosses and I that's. not how that this they would flip over. They're not in the right place. One thing's for certain, I think, with. the knobs that that is an observation a. friend of ours Chuck, a geologist, made, which is that. if you look at how the stone is. quarried, right? So, one of the common. methods still used to some extent today, but certainly these are attributed to. cultures like this and the Egyptians, is. the what they call a wedge and feather.

quarrying, right? You cut these little. wedges out. and then you you hammer in either, you. know, wood and wet it and tries to. you're trying to split stone, basically. You're trying to they still do it today. One thing you'll never be left with it. in a splitting or a wedge and feather. approach is a nub. Like you can imagine. you can't imagine these stone faces are. splitting and leaving these bloody knobs. that are on all of these walls. >> Right. So, they're formed they're. they're formed either deliberately. formed or they're result of some other. process we don't know, but.

they're they're not the result of this. sort of primitive quarrying method. They. they. I don't know what they are, but they're. on everything and that's another it's. another. >> that they leave them there as well, right? They're in Egypt, too. Like. they're on the Menkaure pyramid. It's. exactly. the same I mean it looks exactly the. same the pillowy appearance on the not. like unfinished. Let's find an image of. that. Menkaure pyramid? Yeah, they they. granite. That it's just it's so weird. because they're they're not in a uniform. position, either. Nope. And and.

you know, there's been surface wear on a lot of. this stone. There was there's plenty of. examples where it was very finely like. reflective and polished originally. So, there's been spalling on the surface. It's it feels rough today, but there are. sections. Yeah, so this is this is. Menkaure uh pyramid looks the same. It's. same kind of thing. Yeah, knobs and. >> larger. In some places. Those are big. ones, but there's other ones that are. smaller. Um very much like that yeah, that that.

Facebook picture there, I guess, is is a. a good nub picture, but they're. even at in in Menkaure there's some. evidence that they were flattening some. surfaces of the pyramid. Um whether or. not they intended to flatten the whole. thing, we don't know. Um funny enough, they have actually. found that there's probably another. hidden entrance to this behind that. blank flattened wall there on the. the Turkey today airfield anomalies. under Menkaure pyramid. Yeah. So, there's a this is on the um. what that be eastern side, I guess, of.

the pyramid. The uh yeah, the eastern. side where the pyramid temple is. The. entrance is on the north, but there's a. flattened part of this wall on the. eastern side and they've been hitting. that with like a a ground like a radar. thing and they found that there are some. anomalies behind there, so there might. well be uh an entrance behind this wall. >> looks a little odd. Like that wall looks. a little different than the surrounding. stone. Well, for sure. Then then there's. some evidence that they had a patch like. that. We one of the hypotheses again I. got to credit um.

Colin Ross from Brothers of construction. guys, so they look at this stuff and. they have a great theory about this cuz. on all there's a lot of the the casing. stones are missing on the back, but we. found blocks that were smooth like that. with the angle for the other side. So, what I think they were probably four. patches like that. Now, what you could. be one possible explanation for this is. like, well, you you very carefully grind. and finish a section on each side. because that sets your angle. Once you. set your angle, you can use that patch.

as a reference point to then basically. try to finish the whole rest of the. pyramid at that exact angle. So, you got. to start somewhere. You you you very. carefully set your angle. correctly on that patch and then you can. you can use that as a reference to then. smooth out the rest of the surface. Which you say smooth out. in places is this much granite, you got. to remember. Like a foot of granite's got to come off. these stones to get down to that level. Like they're so pillowy. pillowy, it's granite. Um I mean, I just it boggles the mind. It's like they were scoop it's like the.

they were using that scooping tool or. whatever to do it. >> Well, are there competing theories as to. what the knobs are for other than like. using it to lift the stones in place. somehow? Yeah, um. you know, some people suggest some of. them may have been like little mean the. they're really they're different types. of knobs. The subtle ones. and not all work as lifting knobs. Some. people say in the geopolymer world where. they say, well, stones were were formed. or cast they'll say, well, these are. like a heat expansion points.

Uh I've heard good theories from certain. people that suggest it had something to. do with the mass of the stone like a. resonant like as you change the mass of. a stone it's whatever resonant frequency. it has might alter cuz you also have. scoops, you have knobs and you have. scoops. So, you seem to have this reduction of. mass and then there's more mass in. another place. So, maybe it had something to do These. are different theories I've heard. I. don't have a good explanation for them. It's so weird how it never comes up. again. in human history. Yeah, we don't we.

don't make stuff with knobs. It's weird. It's really weird. >> a commonality, too. It's one of those. other indicators. It's like, hey, this. is the same, but how come this is the. same between. >> Isn't it in Japan as well? >> Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, there's places in. Japan I mean there's there's a place I. want to I've been there. I've just not. explored all those sites. Um. Yes, there's some really megalithic. stonework in in Japan. Actually matches. a lot of the stuff in Peru. >> See if you can find some of that Jamie, please. Yeah. What's that, bro? I'm looking at a. different one. >> Oh, wow. Where's that? >> That looks like Turkey.

>> Turkey. Yeah. Turkey's another one. Is. that a Roman theater? Those are more. consistent knobs, uh I would say. They're like a bit more A little more. A bit more deliberate. There's also a. lip on that. Yeah. Still weird. It is. It's like, what are you doing? Are you. copying what other people did? >> that's a possibility, for sure, cuz. we're very good at that, too. You do see. a lot of imitation. Right. Uh And who. taught you how to do it? Yeah, there's. there's there's. there's a few there's a few people. really obsessed with the the stone knobs.

and I can see why. Like it is a real. mystery. See those those one that's at. Ollantaytambo. That's those are bedrock. knobs, too. Those aren't even in blocks. That's in bedrock. And those are a bit. more deliberate, I would say. Like. they're more like maybe they're shadow. and and, you know, markers for like um. some sort of calendar. These this is. part of the Coricancha. Uh they're big square ones. I don't know. what that's for. That they're different. again. Um. What is your take on that um Sage Wall. in Montana? I haven't been there and.

seen it. I've been wanting to. >> Um. I've heard differing opinions on that. Like it's it's possibly I'd like to see. it for myself, to be honest. Uh. I've seen some footage of it. >> China. >> China. That looks like Yangshan. Yeah, that's Yangshan quarry. And they're. giant that's giant, too, by the way. That the Yangshan quarry is. thousands of tons. Like if if they'd. ever cut that block off, it's something. like I don't know some astronomical. >> Oh, yeah. I watched a piece on this over. YouTube thing on this. >> That's Yeah, you see it there. It's. monstrous. What is the timeline of this.

stuff? >> Uh I believe I don't off the top of my. head. Maybe Jamie, you can find out. Ask. ask your AI. Ming Dynasty, right? Yeah, they they say the story on that is like. like some ruler said like, "Carve me a. dragon." They're like, "Sure, boss." And. they started trying to get this block. out and then eventually some foreman. went, "Yeah, maybe we can't deal with. this stone anymore." and they left it. Doesn't seem real plausible to me. Um that's the size of the Yangshan. quarry block, right? >> god. Yeah, thousands of tons that and.

Nuts. what they were doing there, I do. not know and I do not know when they did. it. But. That's the weird thing is there's so. many Yeah. sites. >> Those knobs would be. huge huge knobs. Yeah, they're. different. But it's like, what do they. represent? >> one another option I mean something else. I've heard is that that in some places. they could have been mounting points for. something that was grabbing them or. hanging on to them some tool to finish. the wall. Or a structure around them. Yeah, a. structure from them. >> And now, are the Japan ones Jamie? Did.

you find anything? No, I was just. looking around at different You got Jap-. Japan megaliths, maybe, but. I mean, India the the the Barabar Caves. is another one of these mysteries that. fits this box. Do you ever heard of the. Barabar Caves in India? No. Oh my lord, that's a whole other These are in Japan. This is Japan. Yeah. This one in. particular the Woah. Click on that one. that you just had your cursor on. That's. nuts. >> that's AI. Is it? That thing looks AI. So, AI powered YouTube transcription.

Son of a [ __ ]. >> The one on the left just next to it the. the medium one. That's definitely that's. and below it actually is a better. picture the Asuka. uh megaliths. Yeah, so this matches a. lot of the stuff in Peru to me. And even. the Imperial Palace. um the cornerstones and corner blocks of. the Imperial Palace there uh the wall. is um. very megalithic. Woah. And in fact, it's funny they they've. actually been digging up the. foundations. My wife was there recently. and and they. they've gone underground and they've.

found like original foundations and and. big walls and they've just they've just. opened some of that up to the public. Um. Yeah, some of this is some of this is. very I mean, this is totally Peru Huan. and Paccha if this is legit. Wow. Um. It ma- it matches, right? It's the same. >> Yeah, the same kind of stuff. >> Yeah. And. >> That's what's weird. It's like, is this. a traveling civilization? Is. civilization uniform all around the. world at a certain point in time? I. think it was global. Yeah, I I think it. was global. We're looking at the.

remnants of it. Either. Look at that. Oh my god. Offshoots of. it, too. Um. That thing in LA. Potentially just. >> What's that Jamie? Looks like that giant. boulder in LA at the museum. You know, it's like sitting over the. tunnel. You know what I'm talking about? At LACMA. I don't know. No? I don't remember it. I try to block LACMA out. Look. Oh, wow. Kind of. What is this? Like a. The LA Museum of Modern Art. >> Uh. >> It's bliss.

You go there, it's like, this is a. plexiglass box. It's amazing. >> a banana peel in it, right? >> of [ __ ] yeah. Yeah, I'm not a fan of modern art, you. know. >> No, it's for dorks. >> similar. Yeah. Kind of. You're right. >> Yeah, yeah, it's. >> But not as cool. >> It's a Yeah. >> cooler. [ __ ] older. >> Mhm. It's just so weird how these. megalithic structures are so consistent. Woah, look at that one. That's nuts. Where is that? This is something like. looks like Cambodia, potentially. Thailand. Well, that was the other thing. that we pulled up the other day, the.

temple in India. The one that's cut entirely out of the. mountain. >> one that starts with a K, yeah. That's. one, yeah. That this There's a lot in. India. It's another place, but. that's very That's made from granite, like that It's It is cut out of granite. What If you look up Barabar Caves, that's also in India. These are. But my friend Patrice Pooyard, who runs. a filmmaking company in France, has done. an amazing documentary on Barabar. And they've scanned them, and these are. These are caves cut into big granite.

outcroppings that are just massive, perfect um. on the inside, like that It's mirror. finished granite within like a. thousandth of an inch flatness on the. insides. Um. And they have these crazy shapes to some. of them have these circles, but then. have a whole other room at the back. that's circular. And he That's an. unfinished one. That's a That's like a. >> doorway, please, Jamie. That like upper. left Yeah, right there. Like that's. nuts, man. >> That's a lot of that the decoration.

there is added. That's probably later. It's Again, it's the writing came later. The original doorway is probably that. one. >> So, the elephants are Yeah. over the. top. That's later. >> Yeah, yeah, for sure. There's an. attribution of these. um. is to a There There was supposedly owned. by a particular king who who gave them. to like a religious cult to get out of. the rain. But it's It doesn't say anything about. about him making them. He just Oh, wow. >> If you go to the ins The insides is. what's impressive in here. It's the. finishing of the granite. They're mirror.

finished. And it turns out with the scans, what. they found is they're also like almost. perfectly symmetrical. Like they They're. not straight. They They They tilt in at. like a a degree and a half exactly on. both sides. They're It's some of the. most precision precise like work in. granite in single piece. Again, it's one. of those things where you can't make a. single mistake. And I mean, this this is not This is an. imitation. Like this is a a later. attempt to to replicate it. Yeah, look. at that.

the cow patty hammer, whatever the one. the the two in the middle there, yeah. So, this is. And you literally it's it's reflect I. mean, the the acoustics in there are. incredible, but this is granite and it's. been polished to this mirror finish, and. then it's also been measured for. flatness and geometry, and it's it's. insanely accurate. Like there's been a. whole. a whole series of documentaries done. You can see the mirror finish in it. Um. >> Wow. >> And nobody knows. There's nothing else. quite like this anywhere. It's It's like. giant stone boxes. Look at the size of. that one, the um Carved into a mountain.

Carved into a granite outcrop in a. mountain, exactly. Yeah, there's seven. or eight of them. They're all in the same area, really. hard to get to. So, like you got to. rough it and camp and stuff to get out. there, but it's And how? It's on my. list. Like what's the conventional. explanation of how they did this? They. don't I mean, it's There are literally. other examples of people hammering on. them with like trying to make replicas. with the tools of the time, and they And. then it just jumps to this, and it's. just there's no explanation for it other. than they Well, they they did it in order to let this.

religious sect out of the rain. That's And cuz it's literally some of. the some of the really poorly inscribed. the right You know, it's like the. Egyptian stuff. It's like somebody. hammered this text Right. >> Sanskrit or whatever it is, and it says, uh you know, this was this king gave. this to these guys to get out of the. monsoon. >> It's the ancient version of Kilroy was. here. Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah, Kilroy was here. Oh, Kilroy built. this. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yep. Wild, man. Little Little Timmy on. the sky scraper, you know. >> I've never seen that before. That's.

That's. >> Barabar? Yeah, I have. >> Completely insane. I I Patrice I. actually have his full documentary on my. channel if people want to kind of go. with the giant. uh statue outside is the Oya Quarry in. Japan. >> Woah. >> So, it's abandoned quarry. Woah. Oh, this is like I saw We were in a quarry. like this in Turkey. It was absolutely. incredible. Um Woah. Look at the in relationship to the size. of the people that were walking around. >> a salt quarry or is it limestone? I. can't tell. I can look it up. A lot of them are salt.

cabins, but Oh. We were inside So, you. have big cabin You have big quarries. like this underground quarries in China. We were in Turkey in this I have this. amazing footage from this massive. underground quarry. uh caves that were carved in. in Turkey when we were there in March. >> at this title. Scientists discover this. structure in Japan they claim humans. could never have built. medium How's. that? How could humans have never built. a quarry? Yeah. Just get clicks. Oh,

yeah, you're just getting clicks, you. sons of [ __ ] That's the game. >> Someone did it. No one's saying it's not. humans. Just saying something was going. on back then where they were way more. advanced than we want to give them. credit for. Yeah. And when you take into. account the Younger Dryas impact theory. and the natural catastrophes that. undoubtedly have befallen many a. civilization in the past, Yeah. it all. kind of makes sense. It's just we It's. weird how many people resist it. That's. the weird part. It's like they they want. to cling so tightly to their.

preconceived notions of the history of. the human race. It's It's a weird thing, isn't it? Like. the history of civilization is one of. those things that hasn't changed a whole. lot in about a hundred years. Like the. idea that civilization started with the. Sumerians and the Mesopotamians 6,000. years ago, and now we're here. That That. idea has been around for a long time, and it's just everything else around it. has has shifted. such that I mean, my I hope I really do. hope that it's just that there's that. the context that the next generation of.

academics. can take some of this context into. account. I think they will. I think they. will. >> a lot of them are growing up listening. to stuff like your show. I think I think. that's. going to help cuz there's a lot of. people that are getting into archaeology. now, a lot of young people that are a. little bit more open-minded, and then. they also encounter some of these very. arrogant professors and people that have. these ridiculous ideas and think that. they should be the absolute gatekeeper. of information, which is so crazy. because universities are a fairly new.

concept. The idea that these people that. are running these universities, they. should be in charge of something. This. is This is a new thing. They should be. in charge. They're the only ones that. could figure it out. They're They have. the paper. That it's written Their name. is written. It's framed on the wall. You. shut the [ __ ] up. >> the letters. That That is literally. insane because you're dealing with. something that it is not possible for. everyone to know, and you're not as into. it as they are. The thing is about like. they are not as into these ideas as you. are. You know what I'm saying? Like you. are chasing this [ __ ] down. There's not.

a lot You are. And so is Jimmy Corsetti, and so is Graham Hancock, and so are. many, many other people and Randall. Carlson, and and John Anthony West, rest. in peace when he was alive. He was. awesome. Um those people chasing down. these ideas are way more into it than. the people that are gatekeeping the. information, and they don't want to. accept anything other than what they've. been teaching and what they've been. writing about. >> Yeah, it's You're right. There's There's. a lot of I mean, that it's it's amazing. that the the medium has shifted to give.

uh people of a voice, I guess, that that. are into it. And you know, my my friend. George Howard has a great way of. explaining this in terms of a potential. like talent pool, if you consider like. okay, so you you. current academics, at least the ones. that are the old guard now, are kind of. been selected from the people that chose. to go to universe that got into. universities, and you have this pool. But now with the kind of the internet, and it's like you're exposing these. ideas to such a wider variety of people. that you can then. that there's there's going to be people.

out there that think about these things. a certain way. >> obsessed polymaths obsessed polymaths. that are going to be able to come. forward and give those ideas. And you. know, it's. I think, you know, the vast majority of. significant breakthroughs in pretty much. any scientific field have usually come. from somewhere that's It's not within. the box thinking. It's It's usually. anti-establishment or or it's outside. the box thinking. Not always, but a lot. of those ideas came from like this has. come complete from left field. Like germ. theory, all that sort of stuff. It's. like, what are you? You're crazy. You.

got this dumb idea, and then it turns. out, ah, you know, 30, 40 years later. it's like, that was the right idea. And we go from there. I mean, that I I. I'm hopeful as well that. yeah, the next generation of academics. will be able to embrace a lot of these. the context for for some of these ideas, and then try to explore them cuz I think. ultimately that's what's needed is is. some Take some of these ideas seriously. and and. bend some of our resources to try and. explore them on the ground and in full. cuz there's only, you know,

ultimately it's the people that have the. control and are able to do the real on. the ground research. are the ones that will be able to. confirm or, you know, chase it. But it. takes real science in a lot of cases. >> And also, we're currently obsessed with. our impact on the environment, which is. not a bad thing. It's a good thing to be. conscious and aware of our pollution and. our emissions and all that good stuff. But. if we were absolutely certain that. civilization has been utterly destroyed. by something that is outside of our.

capacity to control, probably a good. idea to know that that's happened. Yes, a hundred percent. >> Yeah, and to deny the possibility of. even exploring that concept because. people are going to get their feelings. hurt because you know they were because. they're so [ __ ] to each other. That's. the craziest thing you find out about. these academics. They are so [ __ ] to. each other. When anybody has any sort of. an idea. it's heterodox. Any sort of an idea. that's outside of the narrative that. they've been teaching forever, they. attack each other's reputation. Yeah.

They're all sociopaths. >> It is vicious. It's well that's their. version of the fight I guess it's their. the mean letters in the yeah, it's you. know what I mean. That's It is kind of. weird. That it's But they're also in. today's day and age of these shows where. like your show and all these other ones. that we mentioned, it's there's. there's a much more attractive approach. to these ideas. You know, where people. are not like [ __ ] authoritarians, but. they're rather people that are.

absolutely fascinated by something that. is undeniable. The size of these stones, the similarity to them all over the. world, all these different mysteries, the fact that many of them are covered. in mud, the fact that enormous stones. like they've been knocked off by some. immense force. Yeah. Stuff that was left. just left there in the middle of. construction. Nobody ever picked it up. Nobody ever finished it. Like what Yeah. happened? Yeah, and it's it's really only not that. long since we've had the ability to. apply some of these disciplines to these. problems like engineering, you know,

it's it's since the. industrial revolution that we've we've. even had the. enough background knowledge to kind of. understand these problems because we. have to solve them ourselves. Or like. think about how Christopher Dunn. approaches the idea of the Great Pyramid. itself. Like no one would have ever been. able to do that 200 years ago. That's. what I'm saying. Yeah, like he did 100%. that's that's it's it's these other. disciplines that have a whole different. take on it that and it's again not a. criticism of archaeologists to say. they're not engineers. They're not. engineers. It's just It's just Yeah,

it's fact. They don't you don't It's. like I'm not a dentist. I you know, I I. don't know much about You know what I. mean. I can't solve those problems. Exactly. No one can solve all problems. >> Yeah, but hey a dentist might have some. input on some You know what I mean? Like. you you could you can I think a lot of. these problems are multi-disciplinary is. what I'm saying. Like there's. a lot of different approaches and angles. to them that lead to some pretty. interesting places. >> you say that cuz my dentist is obsessed. with UFOs. Oh right. Super smart guy. obsessed with UFOs. Wants to talk about. it every time. He's like doing my What. do you think? What do you think that is?

It's fun. It's fun to talk to him. I'll. bet. Yeah. Yeah, what else you going to. think about while you're while you're. filling on something? But it it is um a. subject that is so important for us I. mean I watching the Ken Burns. documentary right now on the. Revolutionary War and it's really great. Awesome. Amazing. And fascinating to. look back at this very recent history, relatively speaking, to terms of the. timeline of the Earth. And then and then. just realize like that ain't [ __ ]. It yes. I and that's one of the reason I. did draws me to is why it's I think.

that's a big. factor in in why this is important is is. it I it's altruistic, but I do believe. that having. if if we could change that that pillar. of humanity from like well we were stone. age and now we're space age from to this. cyclical nature of we've been here, we've not been knocked down. Yeah. Be aware of the dangers like solve. the longer term I do genuinely think. that a whole generation that's exposed. to that. that has that inbuilt as they're like. hey background knowledge of what it. means to be human, then maybe we we.

would solve those problems. Yeah, maybe. that's a constant test every 12,000 plus. years we. >> like it. Yeah, it does seem like it and. it seems like no one's really solved it. yet. You know, and it we probably get a. little smarter every time we do it. But it takes forever and it probably. sucks for a long time. Well, it seems. like it's not every 12,000 years or so. is like there's definitely been events. that that are orders of magnitude. greater than anything we've experienced. in our the last several millennia.

Yeah. You know, like a you know, a. thousand Katrinas or whatever at a time. kind of thing. Like that's And there's. evidence of like things like the. Tunguska event where like something a. little bit more. little more than we've experienced. before happens, but nothing compared to. what has experienced we've experienced. or the Earth has experienced in the. past. >> No, for sure. We've not we've yeah, we've had we've had nothing, but it does. if you go back the last. couple hundred thousand years it is has. this periodicity it seems like that does. for some reason align with some of those.

those 12,000 years and and 26,000 years. kind of cycles. It's weird how that. happens. It's like Including the. depictions of Atlantis and the fall of. Atlantis. Well, yeah, I mean that's. Exactly lines on with the time lines up. with the timelines. It does. Dude, your show is [ __ ] awesome. I. love it. I look forward to it every time. you put a new episode out. I I really. love it and I love every time you come. in here and let's make this a regular. thing, man. I love that. It's my. favorite shows. I [ __ ] love this subject so much.

It's so uh engaging. It's so exciting. You know, for whatever reason there's. just part of the the human fascination. with the past that gets ignited in me. and it's it's so um I think the audience. feels the same way. It's like it's so. intriguing and I think you're right and. I think Jimmy Corsetti's right and. Graham Hancock's right. I think all. these people are right. I think there's. more to the story than we're being. spoon-fed. Thank you very much, sir. My pleasure, brother. UnchartedX it's on YouTube. Subscribe, like and subscribe. It's.

[ __ ] amazing. Uh and then you What is your Instagram? Uh it's UnchartedX1 on Twitter and. UnchartedX7 on Instagram. I should. probably fix that, but it is what it is. Okay. Yeah. As long as it's not 67. That's the new thing with the kids these. days. Oh no. Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah, I have heard about it. Yeah. Thank. you. Appreciate you very much. Bye. everybody. Thank you, bro. Yeah. I don't want to force it in, but I want. to ask about it. Oh, Shamir? Yeah, we. could have talked Shamir. Yeah, I.

Yeah, yeah. I can Oh, 100%. Sorry, folks. We we. unended it. We unended it because Jamie. had sent me this earlier today. Solomon. Yeah, the Shamir. So you are familiar. with it? I am. Okay. Yeah. So this is a. an ancient idea that there was a worm or. a substance that had the power to cut. through and disintegrate stone, iron, and diamond. And Solomon is said to have. used it in the building of the first. temple in Jerusalem in place of cutting. tools. For the construction of Solomon's.

Temple which promoted peace, it was. inappropriate to use tools that could. also cause war and bloodshed. >> Yep. There's also I found since we've. been since I sent that to you, there is. a actual thing. called a lithorio or something. That they found in the Philippines that. does Yeah, it's some sort of stuff. >> worm. >> Yeah. Yeah, the Shamir is like um. Solomon's lightsaber I like to call it. Yeah, it's it's. it is described the Shamir is is a is. described as a stone-cutting.

Wow, that thing ate through that? The So. the the guy who found it said he had. never heard of the Shamir. And some scientists don't know if. they're even the same thing, but they do. they're described very similarly. What a creepy-looking [ __ ] that. thing is. A rock-eating little worm. >> Like grinding stone. >> That's crazy. It's there there are a number of. different depictions and descriptions. for the Shamir and and one of the it one.

of the problems with it being like this. this thing that slowly grinds through. Uh yeah, see this is the weird part. Shamir was meant to always be wrapped in. wool and stored in a container made of. lead. Uh either end of the container would. burst and disintegrate. So it's like. Under the Shamir's gaze. All I had to do. was look at it. So. Are we describing. Are we describing radiation or something. like Right, what are we describing? >> Well, it gets into the it gets into the. realm of the Ark of the Covenant and. everything else, too, right? Wool and. stored in lead? That's nuts. And then it.

lost its potency. Yes. Right after which. I don't the dripping of the honeycomb. I. don't know what that is. By the time of. the destruction of the first temple. during the siege of Jerusalem in 586 BC. Yes. But again it still exist. They found it. today like 2019 I think as well. >> found a worm that does something. similar. He was the evolution of it. He had a. giant one that he was like [ __ ] Maybe. they could have trained them like people. could train pigeons to do stuff. Eat the. wall. He had to do it fast.

We one of the things, too, he was that. he had to build that Temple of Solomon. quickly so that he was like we need this. we can't use the regular methods, but we. also need to be able to cut stone. quickly. So one of the things the Shamir. was described as doing is. being able to cut these sort of hard. stones. Like I think it described like. diamond even. Yeah. And it was it was. cutting it quickly. The blood of the. Shamir is used for diamonds, but this. also said that he was not he didn't find. it. It was given to him. >> Given to him. A bird found it. A bird. >> Someone noticed a bird was using it to. make nests in rock.

And they're like let's take let's let's. get a hold of that. So yeah, there's. some people also speculate that there's. there is a bird that vomits this thing. or poops this thing that. The angel of the sea had then given the. Shamir to a bird. Identified by the. Talmud as a hoopoe. Yeah, but it's the. it's the oldest isn't this I believe. this is like the where he had to go to. several birds which were also these like. spirits he talked to. Oh, wow. That and. I think he had to get to the very last. the very last one. It's a lightsaber. they got from aliens. It's a worm from a.

bird or something. It's a lightsaber. from aliens. >> Radioactive alien lightsaber. All right. The end. Goodbye, everybody. [Music].