Joe Rogan Experience #2412 - Adam Carolla

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Hello, ladies and gentlemen. >> Good to see you, brother. What's. happening? >> Oh, man. Everything. It's been. >> a few years, man. >> Yeah. >> When was the last time I saw you? >> I think I saw you outside of the ice. house. >> Oh, yeah. >> You were coming in doing a set. You got. a Land Cruiser or something with a LS.

swap engine in it or something. >> Yeah, that's right. >> And you showed it to me and I think uh I. was thinking about it. I went to your. house to do the podcast. >> early in the day. >> early like up deep valley up the hill. >> and then I think uh you got your place. sort of down strip mall kind of kind of. place down in the flatlands of the. valley. >> Yeah. >> I went there. Yeah. And I think that I. mean it's been a million years. >> Yeah, it's been a while. Time flies,

buddy. [laughter] I know. It's so sad. You know what? You know what? You know. what's sad? It goes so slow when you're. young and miserable. [laughter] You know. what I mean? Now I'm old and happy and. rich and it just flies by. You know what. I mean? Like all the stuff you want to. do and it's just it just goes right by. you. And then when I was like 13, I just. sat in a class and stared at the clock. and just went, "Godamn.". >> You know why that is? It's relative. It's a percentage of your life. >> So when you're 10, a year is 10% of your.

life, >> right? >> You know, when you're 55, a year is. really quick. >> I know. It just sucks that like I. remember going back to school in. September and going, "When's Christmas. vacation?" And they'd go, "Two months.". And I'd go, "Oh man, no way. That's too. long." And now it just. >> goes flying by. But now it's good. And. you'd want it to slow down. Yeah. I. always think of life as sort of like. driving to San Francisco from LA. Like.

the first time you do it, it takes a. long time and the 50th time you do it, it's like nothing. And that's the. relative part. >> You get used to it. Yeah. Yeah. It's uh. I don't know. Just got to live in the. moment, enjoy it while it's here. And. hope hope it works out. Hope something's. next [laughter]. or not. I I guess. Yeah, that moment, you know, that that thing. >> I you know, it's like that thing where. people have a near-death experience and.

then they swear they're going to change. their ways and they're going to. appreciate everything and they're going. to do all that. >> I don't think it works. >> Works on some people. >> Yeah. >> I've met people that have had near-death. experiences and completely changed who. they are. >> Yeah. >> I wonder if it's worth trying to have a. near-death experience. The problem. [clears throat] is is it's too close to. death. Well, it's really what kind of a. person are you? Are you a reflective. person? Are you an introspective person? Do you think about the way you think in. the way you live? And do you analyze it.

and decide whether or not this is a good. way to proceed or whether or not you. need to make adjustments? Some people. don't. They don't look they don't. selfanalyze. They don't course correct. They just don't. And so something comes. along, I'm changing everything. But you. never changed anything in your whole. [ __ ] life. You've never done that. You've never exhibited that kind of. will. You never had that kind of. discipline. So, like, how are you going. to change now? You're not. You're going. to say you're going to change, then. you're going to go right back. >> Yeah. I think I went to high school with. all those guys. >> Me, too.

>> It's crazy, right? >> It's most people don't know how to live. >> They don't understand that you're you. you are in control of the way you think. about things. It's one of the only. things you're in control of. >> Well, change is like one of the greatest. gifts we have. Like it really if you. think about perks of being a human being. versus being a hyena or any any other. creature, it's you get to change. >> And then so many people just squander.

that gift, which is the greatest gift. and they just go, I'm not. And and then. you're sort of no different than any. other animal if you just sort of. >> stay the course, you know, and the the. ability to grow and change and transform. is such a gift that people completely. squander. >> Well, it's hard because you have to. change the way you think. You have to. you have to decide that you've been. doing things wrong. And people don't. like to do that. They don't like to.

admit fault. They don't like to look at. themselves in a negative way and analyze. what they've done wrong and be critical. of themselves. >> They don't like everyone crazy. externalizer now. And young people have. it. >> more than our generation. Like you can't. tell them stuff. They just push back on. everything. >> It's encouraged to think that everyone. else is the reason why you are not. happy. >> Yeah, I get it. But I think growing up.

and and maybe it's just being coached a. lot, you know, like like you got coached. a lot. I got coached a lot. It's just. dudes telling you you're doing something. wrong all day every day. >> And I believe they did it because they. cared, because they wanted you to get. better, because they wanted you to. succeed, they wanted to win, you know? And I just got used to being coached, you know. I just got used to people just. yelling at you, "Hey, dummy. You're. [ __ ] up. fix it, do it right. And it. never felt like criticism to me.

>> Well, even if it is criticism, it. doesn't matter. It's like if coaching is. good, like if if you can be coachable, that's like one of the best indicators. that you're going to do well in life if. you could take direction and instruction. from someone who knows what they're. talking about. Yeah. >> Like if you want to learn something, like say if you want to learn jiu-jitsu, you have to listen. You have to really. listen. And the people that don't. listen, they don't get better. >> Yeah. And I shouldn't I shouldn't have. said criticism. It it was criticism, but. that's fine. I I It's just how you.

digest it. You know what I mean? It It's. criticism. They go constructive. criticism or criticism. It's just. criticism. You're doing something wrong. That's fine. Now, how do you perceive. it? How do you ingest that? >> Well, also, how do you look at yourself? Do you look at yourself as like do do. you think of yourself as only being. valuable if you're good at a thing? Right? And if you're not good at that. thing, do you take it as a a slight. against you? Or do you just understand.

that you are a person, this is you, and. this thing you're doing is something you. don't know how to do as well as this. person who's teaching you. And if you. can do that, then you can get better. And then getting better at anything that. you are trying to do that's difficult, any discipline, that discipline becomes. a vehicle for developing your human. potential. If you can figure out how to. get good at that by listening to this. person and then proceeding and seeing. the steps of improvement, you could. apply that to everything in life. But if. you never learn how to do that, you're.

going to get stuck. >> You know what I've been thinking about? I've been thinking about how insecure a. lot of people are and how they really. react when you tell them something, criticism or coach them, but I think. it's their insecurity that's reacting. And then I sort of realized like you. have a skill set, you have multiple. skill sets, right? And you take just. martial arts, you know, okay, you know. it, you're comfortable with it, you're.

real secure about it. You you know your. abilities and and you know your. abilities as a comedian and you know. your abilities as an archer and stuff. like that. So you have a bunch of stuff. that you know you own. And for me, like. I'm a builder, so I have a skill, so I. have a trade, you know, and so I I don't. feel insecure. I feel like there's stuff. I know, and then there's other things I. do know, but I don't walk around with. that insecurity that I realize like a. lot of people,

>> they don't have a trade, they don't have. a skill, they don't have really anything. who they could call expertise. Like you. would go, >> you know, what are you an expert at? Well, you would go, I can teach I UFC, mixed martial arts, jiu-jitsu, I can do. that. I can do this. Podcasting, standup, comedy, like like there's. fields of expertise. Speaking another. language, mastering an instrument, you. know, things like that. And I realized. so many people just are [snorts] there's.

just nothing. >> They never found a thing that really. >> they don't find a thing. and they're so. insecure and they walk around in this. heightened state of insecurity and then. somebody runs into them somewhere at an. airport or a Starbucks or something and. they start ripping off you know throwing. furniture and it's like why are you in. this state all the time and I realize. it's an insecurity. and how would it feel like how would Joe. Rogan feel walking around not having a.

black belt not being successful. uccessful at standup like not having any. expertise like it would be a really. vulnerable feeling. >> Yeah. >> And I think that's a lot of it. >> That's most people. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Most people just get jobs and they. never really find a thing where they can. throw themselves into it and watch the. improvement and understand that, oh, I. know that I started this out as a. beginner and now I'm really good because. I put in so much time and so much.

effort. So, I know that I have that in. me. I know I have that willpower. It's. also like some people just don't have. good brains. That's just a fact, you. know. It's like some people are born. with big ears, some people have small. ears, some people have shitty brains, and that's just true. I've met a lot of. people, they're just dull. They're just. dull-minded and dullwitted. And even if. they threw themselves into something, they don't have the horsepower. They. have a 9volt brain. It sucks. >> It sucks. But that's just reality. >> I know. And it's hard not to look at.

them through your lens cuz you go, "Come. on, man. The sun's shining. Let's make. some hay. Let's go. There's so much to. do." And they're like, "Huh?" And you're. like, "Come on.". >> The saddest thing for me is when I talk. to anybody, but especially young person, I go, "What do you like? What do you do? What's your thing?" And they go, "I. don't know. I like I like video games.". I go, "No, no, but what's your passion?". You know, "What do you want to get. into?" and they go, "Uh, I've been watching a lot of.

Netflix." I go, "I don't know, man. Like, what is your thing? What do you. want to get your hands on?" And they. just go, "I don't know.". >> Well, they probably never been. introduced to something like that. The. problem with video games is it'll steal. your thing. >> Like, if video games, if if there was a. thing maybe that you maybe you were into. golf or maybe you're into something, video games will steal your time. They'll steal your desire because. they're so fun. Yes. I think I think. there's a problem with like satiation. Like you'll feel satiated like you'll.

you'll say I did something but it's like. you didn't do anything. You simulated. >> doing something. >> unless you're a professional video game. player and then you can make a lot of. money. So it is weird. >> because it used to tell you you're. playing video games you're wasting your. time. But then you find out that some. people playing professional video games. are making a lot of money. >> Like those Starcraft guys. What does a. good Starcraft like the best Starcraft. player make? Like they have sponsorships. and stuff like that, but they're making. millions of dollars, right?

>> It is weird that you can no longer tell. your kids that's a crazy idea that'll. never work. >> How about those Twitch guys? That's what. I'm saying. Those guys that play video. games all day on Twitch, they make a ton. of money. >> I know. You couldn't I mean, there was a. time when we started if someone young. said, "I want to do a podcast." You'll. go, "Come on, you got to get a real job. That's not going to work.". >> Yeah. Like Howard Stern. [laughter]. So this guy um Saral his name is Juna. Sautala he's from Finland and he made.

1.8 million uh to total earnings. So. yeah South Korea 1.3 million um uh. Chosang Chu um Park Yong Wu made 1.19. million. Yeah. So they're making money. but this is like only the top five. So, top five. You get to the bottom of the. top five, it's one million. 1.1. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I can't do it. I I bought a video. game once and it was a World War II one.

and I thought I was going to go to the. deck of the ship and shoot at some zeros. who were dive bombing our ship. But the. video game started below in the. barracks. We're in our bunks and the. torpedo hit and I could never get to the. deck. >> I couldn't I couldn't get out of the. bunk. I kept getting I kept burning up. in a fire in the bunk and after 20 times. of trying to get to the deck, I just. abandoned it. And I also just realized. there's just a bunch of [ __ ] I'm not. good at and I don't care to even try. I.

think there's another part of life where. you have to kind of go, what are you. good at? What are you not good at? And. when you're not good at something, you. should just pay somebody to do that. [laughter]. And that's where I'm at. pay somebody to play video games for. you. [laughter]. >> Well, I mean like type, but of course. Yeah, I hear. Yeah, I hear you. Yeah, you don't Yeah. You're not going to want. to do everything and things that some.

people enjoy like what whether it's. golfing or video games or whatever it is. like you got to find out what you like. >> Yeah. I think that's anxious stuff. >> It's one of the things that's missing in. school is introducing people to the. possibility of things they might like. Instead, what do they do? They just. teach you stuff. you know. >> Yeah. It didn't work for me. No, >> it was not good for that. >> Didn't work for me either. >> Yeah. Well, look at you now. You landed. on your feet. >> I know. But that's a weird thing. It's. like there's no there's no consideration.

of alternatives. There's no like, hey, you're kind of a wise ass. Have you ever. thought about being a comedian? You. know, you can make a lot of money doing. comedy. Nobody ever says that to you. >> No, I never I never had that. It was It. was a weird thing because it was always. a sort of shut up, right? So it was the. opposite of encouragement, which is be quiet, be quiet. You're. disruptive. So by nature, comedic nature. is to sit in the back of the class and. pop off and try to entertain an. audience, which is sort of built in,

which is the classroom. >> But it is interesting that they then. offer an award called Class Clown. >> Did they offer an award for class clown? >> My high school, I was class clown. So, I. got the class clown designation, but all. through high school, I was told to shut. up by every teacher, which is a weird, it's a backhanded compliment, but it's a. weird message to send to the clown, which is shut up. Shut up, shut up.

Here's your award at the end for. talking. [laughter]. >> Yeah, that is weird. >> I would I would get rid of the award or. stop telling everyone to shut up all the. time. >> Well, you know, it's under motivated. teachers that are underpaid. Well, who. attracts, you know, I I was thinking. about like who's attracted to that. profession, >> right? >> It's sort of people that have I know we. have to call them heroes, but they've. kind of opted out of the private sector. They're just like, I want consistency. I. don't care if I'm underpaid as long as I.

never stop getting paid and I can retire. early and I have a place to go. And it's. a kind of a version of life where you're. not telling people to chase their dreams. and explore the possibilities because. you you're in this place right now where. you didn't chase your dreams. You're. just here, you know? I mean, save the. 10% who love kids or just want to work. with kids. But most of my teachers. >> were miserable. >> Most Yeah. miserable and very.

uninspiring. And this made you I I used. to have nightmares after I left high. school that I failed and I had to go. back. I used to have nightmares. >> Yeah. >> That I didn't get my diploma. >> Oh, it's funny. I wanted to go back cuz. I wanted to play football. Like. [laughter] that. I didn't want to go to. I didn't want to go go to class, but I. would have dreams about going back to. play like one more year of football. >> Oh, that's funny. >> Cuz it's all I wanted to do. And it was. the only thing I was good at, you know, back back then. And at once I got out of.

high school, it was just, you know, construction sites, garbage, you know. >> Yeah, me too. I just didn't know what to. do. I mean, I was fighting at the time, but I didn't know like what I was going. to do with my life. >> Did anyone tell you like I never had. anyone go, "Hey, you should do comedy. Like that seems to be your thing or it. seems to be what you're interested in or. where your proclivities are." I never. had that. I didn't have anyone in my. family say it. I didn't have any of my. friends say it. I never had a teacher. say it. I never I never had a guidance.

counselor say it. It never. >> it never came up in my life. Like did it. >> it did for you? >> It with me it was guys that I would go. to tournaments with. >> So we would all be scared because we'd. be on a bus or something traveling out. of state to go to some tournament and. everybody would be like real nervous. because there's a real good chance you. might get kicked in the head and knocked. unconscious and I would be the guy that. broke the ice. I would be making fun of. everything and making everybody. [clears throat] laugh. And my friend. Steve, who's Steve Graham, who's a good.

friend of mine still to this day. He was. older than me at the time. I think I was. like 16 and he was probably 30, 31, something like that. He's an. opthalmologist. >> And he's like, "You should be a. comedian.". >> And I was like, "You think I'm funny. because you like me." I'm like, "Other. people are going to think I'm just an. asshole." Like, and he's like, >> "I think you think you could do it. I. think you could do it. You should just. go to an open mic night and check it And. I went to an open mic night and that's. when I understood that, oh, everybody. starts out as a beginning and you're. terrible. When I thought of comedians, I.

thought Jerry Seinfeld was Jerry. Seinfeld from the jump. He's just really. good and really funny and great jokes. And Richard Prior, same thing. I didn't. realize like it's a thing that you get. better at. >> And then when I watched people do it, I. I was like, "Oh, these people are. terrible. I can do this." It's one of. the things Jenny Richard Jenny said. He. goes, "Terrible comedians are great. because they inspire people to try it. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you in that. sense. Like I remember like I always go, "Oh, this guy's excellence, inspires,

you know, Michael Jordan inspires." And. I'm like, "No, he's too good." You know. what I mean? He. >> he those [snorts] like I remember being. young and watching like Dennis Miller do. a special and I'd go, I could never do. that, right? >> That's too much. Where do he Where are. all these words coming from? How do he. remember them all? How's he even know. what they mean? Like, no way am I. pulling that off. But later on, when I. was driving a truck, you know, on to the. construction site every day, I would.

listen to morning radio in LA and I'd. listen to these morning teams and I'd. go, "Ah, [ __ ] I can do that.". [laughter] Like, like I was inspired by. their inability to be consistently. funny, >> right? >> And it is a weird thing where people do. that. They always think the best is. going to bring it out in you, but it's. intimidating. Sometimes you have to see. people that are mediocre at their job. for you to think, "Oh, hell, I can do.

that.". >> Certainly at the beginning, you know, like if you walked right into a gym and. as you like Terrence Crawford t-shirt. I'm wearing and Terence Crawford's. working out, it's the first time you. ever worked out and someone says, "Do. you want to spar with Terence Crawford?". You're like, "No.". >> Yes. >> What the [ __ ] are you talking about? I'm. not I can't spar with him. No. >> Yes. because it's he's too good. But if. you see someone who's like at your level. and he's hitting mits the way you're. hitting mits and like okay, I'll try. that. >> This episode is brought to you by Happy. Dad Hard Seltzer. A nice cold Happy Dad.

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alcohol located in Orange County, California. The real danger is when they. go, "You want to spar with that guy over. there?" And then you go, "Who is that. guy?" And they go, "I don't know. It's. just some gym guy." And it's Terrence. Crawford. And then you're really you. really get demoralized cuz you don't. even know who he is. And sometimes. you'll run into those guys early on. before they are who they are. >> And you realize, oh, I got my ass kicked. by this guy, turned out to be a.

champion, but at the time, >> right, >> I just thought something was wrong with. me. Yeah. Well, and and then you just. realize like some people have a giant. head start, you know, whatever it is. Maybe they started earlier in life. Maybe they have family members that are. really good at whatever it is, boxing or. whatever it is. Maybe they got really. good coaching early on. Maybe they have. great genetics. Maybe they're just. naturally fast. Maybe they just have a. mind for the game. >> Yeah. I mean, I think it's kind of the. fast twitch stuff and the rhythm stuff.

Like some guys are have have a the. rhythmic, you know, you can watch it, >> but there's a it's a rope. >> There's that, but there's also like the. most important thing is understanding. the skills, understanding technique. And. some people just get bad coaching. And. if you get bad coaching, you get like a. kind of coach that just wants you to. brawl all the time when you're sparring. >> And you never really learn the finer. points. Like they don't stop you and. say, "Look, you gota you got to stop. that jab here and then counter, you. know." Well, I I found at least when I.

taught boxing that most the coaches. were boxers, like my gym was uh Mike. Weaver, exheavyweight. >> I remember Mike Weaver. >> He was a brick [ __ ] ass guy. >> That guy was a tank. >> Oh my god. He looked like a bodybuilder. It was crazy. Even when I worked with. him when he was 48 or something, still. looked like that. But so Weaver and then. his uh half triplet brothers, the. fighting triplets, Troy, Floyd, and.

Lloyd, by the way, they're all fighters, right? And and I realized they were good. fighters, but they didn't know how to. teach fighting. >> cuz cuz they couldn't verbalize it and. they couldn't intellectualize it. They. just did it, you know. And it's not. always the guy. So a lot of time they. got ex fighters. This guy's an exch. he's an ex this and ex that. That. doesn't mean you're good at teaching it. That just means you did it and were good. at it. But you can't always articulate.

it and describe it. >> And like my thing was I wasn't an exch, but I knew how to articulate it better. than these guys. And I could use these, you know, metaphors and examples and. stuff like that. I I would end up being. a good boxing coach, not because I had. all this ring experience, just because I. understood it sort of intellectually. >> Yeah. Like some of the greatest boxing. coaches of all time weren't good. fighters or were okay fighters like. Freddy Roach, perfect example, was a.

journeyman fighter, but one of the best. boxing coaches ever. Emanuel Stewart, same same deal, you know, weren't world. champions. I always liked Emanuel. Stewart because he he coached Vladimir. Klitschko, but he couldn't say the word. Vladimir. He'd just go Vladimir, Vladimir. And it's like his name is. Vladimir. It's not it doesn't start with. an L. It starts with a V. If you you. listen to him talking to Vladimir. Klitschko, he just called him Vladimir. And I've inter I interviewed Vladimir.

Klitch. And I did I he said I said he he. called you Vladimir your whole career. And he went, "Yeah, it's the way he. pronounced it." I'm [laughter] like, it's a name and it starts with a. different letter. He just called him. Vladimir the whole time. >> He gave up. >> He was the But Emanuel Stewart was the. first guy to figure out that training in. the heat. >> Can I give a shout out? >> Yeah. Yeah. Get in there. >> Yeah. >> Uh that training in the heat was great. for your cardiovascular system. Oh, really? Crank gym. They used to crank it. up. Kron gym was like 100 degrees in. there. >> Yeah. >> Like a hot yoga room.

>> Yeah. And they put the was it aboline. they called it the sweat stuff on and. then they put you in a garbage bag and. then. >> Yeah. All that. >> Goddamn. >> Yeah. They would always put abalene on. you before you worked out. I always. thought that was weird. >> Like to get your sweat going. I was like. I'm kind of sweat. This is weird. >> It was a part of the boxing world. Like. when you get Ringside magazine they. would sell abalene like these big. [ __ ] jars of it. >> I as far as I could tell it was pretty. much just Vaseline. I don't know what. was different about it. some slippery.

oil. That's for sure. Yeah. Which uh. it's interesting because in MMA that. stuff is like that's shunned. Like you. you like cuz you get in trouble if you. grease yourself up cuz there's guys that. grease. And what they do to cheat is. they'll put baby oil on the night before. and they'll like literally soak in baby. oil and then they'll take a shower. And. so when they show up to fight, their. skin is dry. And so they don't have any. baby oil. But as soon as they start.

sweating, that baby oil comes out of. their pores and they are slick like a. [ __ ] trout. Like you can't get a grip. on them. >> I bet you you could probably convince. someone to drink baby oil. You told them. when you started sweating. baby oil. >> I just love that whatever the sport, whether it's MMA or F1, there's always. someone trying to shave a tenth. Mhm. >> Just trying to figure out some way. around just to pick up. >> a little advantage. >> Yep.

>> So human. >> It's so human. The Victor Conte just. died recently. He's the the Balco guy. >> I interviewed him on the podcast back in. the day. He was the guy that got Barry. Bonds and on that stuff called the. clear. So they figured out a steroid. that would evade testing. >> and it was something that you just wipe. on yourself and it was Oh, really? >> Yeah. It was highly effective. >> and it's just people looking to skirt. around the rules and find something that. that works that they can't detect. It's.

such I mean it's it's what happens when. you are attracted to competition. I. think so the people who aren't attracted. to competition sit around and go why. would you do that or how dare you do. that or this guy's wrong for doing it. But you don't run an F1 team, >> right? >> But if you're attracted to a job that. makes you a trainer in UFC or running an. F1 team, you'll probably be a person. who's attracted to competition, thus.

attracted to winning, and then at some. point your livelihood will depend on it. and you'll try to you'll try to do. everything you can do. >> Yeah. It's interesting with steroids. though, with baseball in particular. There's never been a sport that rejected. steroids as hard as baseball did. Like. you remember the Maguire, Sammy Sosa. era. Sure. >> Like when we found out those guys were. juicing and we kind of all knew they. were juicing, but once we found out they. were juicing, everybody was so mad at. them because you you had defamed our.

great American national pastime, which. is baseball. I don't cheated at. baseball. I I I love it when I don't. know Bob Kostas. gets all and Billy Crystal get all upset. about the majesty of baseball and how. you've ruined the sanctity of it and. stuff like that. Baseball was always. kind of a [ __ ] sport for me. Like I. thought if you're a real dude, you play. football and then maybe box or wrestle.

or something like that. But baseball was. kind of fun. Like I played baseball and. baseball. at baseball practice you got to play. baseball. You got to hit, you got to. field, you essentially played baseball. You didn't have a game, but you'd be out. in the field hitting the cut off or up. at bat batting practice where you. literally played baseball. In football, I never touched a football. You're just. pushing a sled and getting in some. tackling drill, running laps like they.

just torture you. But you don't play. football. I played football for 10 years. and never touched a football. We. [laughter] didn't I wasn't I played. linebacker and guard and there was no. football, right? >> There was just me blocking guys who were. touching a football or trying to tackle. guys who touch football. [laughter]. Football practice. was just torture. >> Did you wrestle? >> No, they didn't have wrestling in my. high school. >> Really? We didn't have like it was, you. know, I don't know, a little more East.

Coast I think like lacrosse and certain. things are kind of regional. We didn't. really. >> I grew up in North Hollywood. Like they. didn't have hockey. They didn't have. lacrosse. They didn't have wrestling. >> Crazy they didn't have wrestling. Oh. god. [sighs]. I think wrestling was one of the most. important lessons in hard work that I. ever got. >> Oh, for sure. Like running bleachers and. and cutting waves, >> carrying people around. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I had a brutal coach, too. Our our. coach was brutal. >> It was it was awesome. >> Wrestling. >> taught me a lot. >> Wrestling practice and football practice.

are not dissimilar. It's just torture. young people essentially. >> and kind of try to break them a little. bit. And that wrestling is probably more. torturous than than football, but. football is hot because it's the San. Frernando Valley or wherever Florida and. you're outside and you're in a uniform. You're just baking. Yeah. >> In the sun and they didn't want to give. you water [laughter] cuz they thought it. was bad for you. >> But really thinking back on it.

[laughter]. >> how dumb that is. >> Well, I it wasn't I think they didn't. want to do it cuz they thought it would. make you soft. >> They thought you would get cramped up. That's what people used to think. >> They would say yeah. They say you're. going to cramp up. But but there's. another underlying point which is you. would enjoy it. >> And they didn't want to do anything that. you enjoyed. Like they their whole thing. was we're going to torture you. >> and if you want water then you're not. getting water. >> Want to hear something crazy? When I was. a kid when I was fighting I didn't like.

that I wanted sex. I didn't like that uh I I desired. pleasure because I thought it was weak. Because I thought that anything soft and. sensual, anything that feels good is. going to make you weak. >> Right? cuz all I was thinking about was. competing and I was just thinking about. keeping an edge on everybody and that. sex was like damn it. Like I didn't like. that. I liked it. I thought it was a. weakness.

>> Did you have that. >> crazy? >> Did you have like a pillow on your bed? Like where does this end? >> A girlfriend who was really horny. >> I didn't mean a pillow to hump. I just. meant [laughter] you'd be more. comfortable with that pillow and you. wanted the eye of the tiger. >> No, it didn't. I mean I it didn't stop. me from having sex with my girlfriend. But it did make me feel like that was a. weakness. >> But don't you feel I I feel like I fall. back on my misery and those two a day. practices and the San Frernando Valley. and getting yelled at by coaches and.

being on a construction site and sort of. getting yelled at by foreman and like. just doing sort of miserable donkey work. all day. >> Uh as I get older, I realize, oh, everything seems pretty simple and. pretty easy compared to that. And and I. realized I talked to a lot of people. that never went through that. >> and so they don't really have they're. not calibrated like like sometimes like. ever since I got out of construction and. into comedy. I've never looked at comedy.

as work, you know, and then sometimes. they'll go, "Oh, they want to add a. second show or whatever." And I go, "Yeah, go ahead." And someone go, "You. really want to work that much?" I go, "It's not it's not it's not it's in it's. airond conditioned. No one's yelling at. you. >> Free beer. It's fun. People like you. What do you mean? And they'll go, "You. want to work that hard over on the. weekend?" You know, and I'll go, "What. work?" It's not work compared to the. work I knew right. >> from back in the day. But then I realize. I do deal with a lot of people that.

never had that baseline. And so they. never had that misery and they never had. that experience. And so for them, their. baseline is sort of air conditioning and. a 401k and a coffee maker and it's not, you know, using a porta potty and eating. lunch on a pile of plywood and eating. off a lunch truck and all that kind of. stuff. So drinking off a hose, no air. conditioning, like that world. >> So they don't have a base. They're not. like calibrated. And so for them, a.

second show is a lot of work or working. on a weekend or doing whatever. It's. that [clears throat] old expression, the. worst thing that's ever happened to you. is the worst thing that's ever happened. to you, no matter what it is. So, if. you've lived an incredibly sheltered. life and the worst thing that ever. happens, you get in a mild fender. bender, >> right? >> And you can't believe it and your world. has ended and you're just sobbing and. weeping or if you're a guy who's lived a. [ __ ] difficult hard life and then you. get in a fender bend, you're like, "Ah, they'll fix that. We'll fix that. No. worries." And then it's gone. You don't.

think about it at all. You just think. about it. It's just there's a dent in my. car now. No big deal. Yeah, I've always. thought that, you know, when it came to. boxing or a sport like that. that, you know, people go, "Oh, you know. how to box, so you could use your. hands." And then you have an advantage. You know, some drunk guy comes at you or. something like you can use your hands, so you know what you're doing. But I. always thought the real advantage is. being used to having someone punch at. you all the time. That was sort of the.

real advantage of not freaking out if. somebody threw a punch. If you just get. used to people throwing punches, then. you know how to react. And that was the. advantage. It was more like being used. to being knocked around and punched and. having people throw stuff at you versus. you knowing how to throw back. The real. advantage was not being phased, right? >> Like when stuff was coming at you, right? And I think that's analogous to. sort of this like the advantage to our.

past misery. is how relatively easy everything seems. now. >> If you have a group of brothers and they. all start competing and fighting, the. toughest one's the youngest one. Always. >> Oh, really? >> Almost always. Almost always. Cuz that's. the one that's been [ __ ] with by. everybody else. By the middle brother, by the older brother. >> The youngest brother I always look to. like that's the savage. Just watch. If. that kid can make it through, he will be. the one. He will be the one.

>> So, let's see. Is that Stephen Baldwin? Which Baldwin is that? >> Yeah, that would be Stephen, >> I think. >> Right. [laughter]. >> I the older. >> that I know. I got I got the. >> But that's a different thing. I think. they're beating each other. >> I'm making a joke. But they probably did. kick each other's ass a few times. >> Probably. I would imagine. Yeah, I would. imagine. This episode is brought to you. by ROA, my favorite sunglasses. They're. made right here in Austin, Texas, and. they are the best sunglasses I've ever.

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advantage of their limited time offers. That's roka.com. You know, one of the things I like about. you is always stuck with me years ago. when I interviewed you. I said, "Your. biological dad, do you ever have a. desire to get back in touch with him or. reconnect or whatever that was?" And I. think he went, "No, screw him." Like, I. don't I never knew him, so I don't need. to redo something that never was done.

>> Yeah. >> And I I like that. I mean, I I respect. it. I I feel like there's people do too. much like, "Come on, he's your blood.". I'm like, "If you don't know him, you. don't know him." Like I I I always I. don't know what stuck with me. >> Well, I think uh family's nice if. they're nice. >> Yeah. >> You know, if they're great people and. you want to be in touch with them, but. >> I don't think you should spend any time. with people that you don't like. >> If they're family or not, I don't think.

it matters. >> I think my my life was sort of saved by. friends, just having really good friends. all the time. And I sort of realized my. family wasn't going to provide what my. friends would provide and I just hung. out with my friends. >> Well, that's also why people join gangs. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, it's that becomes their. family because everybody has a desire to. be a part of a tribe and everybody has a. desire to have a good team and good. people that care about you. That's a a.

big motivating factor for human beings. >> Well, thank god North Hollywood didn't. have a strong [ __ ] or blood connection. back [laughter] in the day. cuz I. probably would have joined up. >> Sure. It's probably exciting. It's. probably exciting. Especially if you get. away with a few things, you know? >> I get it. I mean, it's tried and it's. true. Like, it works. >> It's been around for a long time. It's a. reason why gangs in New York. Look, goes. all the way back then. >> Yeah. It it goes, I'm sure, throughout. the dawn of humanity and history. >> Yeah. And I mean, we formed our own.

gang. It was just a bunch of dudes who. did stupid stuff, you know, but it. wasn't. >> drivebys and that [ __ ] It was just a. group. It was a tribe, not necessarily a. gang. Yeah. >> Yeah. We did things. I We would do stuff. to each other, but not to society. Yeah. >> Like that was kind of our code. Like we. would torture each other and do. unthinkable things to each other, but we. you couldn't go mess with civilians. Yeah. >> That was crossing the line. >> That's fun, too. Um, I've been paying.

attention to a lot of your stuff, uh, covering, uh, the Palisades fire and all. that stuff. And I think, uh, I'm really. glad that there's someone like you out. there that gets to shine light on these. things and show people how [ __ ] up. this whole thing was. You know, and we. talked about on the podcast that you, uh, immediately once the fire happened, you were like, "No one's rebuilding.". Like, you don't understand the Coastal. Commission. You don't understand the. permitting process. This is going to be. like this forever. >> Yeah. >> And you're right. Look at here. Here we.

are. It's almost a year later, right? How many months later is it? 10, 11, >> 10 and change. Yeah. >> Okay. No one's rebuilt the house. >> No, there's a little bit of building. going on in the Palisades, but there's. zero in. Yeah. There's no coastal. anything. And I've been monitoring it. cuz. >> How much has grown on the Palisades? How. many houses have been rebuilt? >> Uh, I would say, you know, less than 5%. Like but but it's scattered. Like I.

toured one that was being framed for the. latest vlog, the fire vlogs I've been. doing. >> If you do rebuild, what is surrounding. you? Just wreckage. >> Yeah. Just. >> you imagine you're on a hill and you. just the husks of burnt down houses are. your view now. >> Yeah. >> Fun. >> Yeah. It's basically you're living in an. ashtray. Yeah. >> You put a double wide in an ashtray. Who. knows what the [ __ ] is in that ground? >> Well, you know. >> Yeah. No, it's all.

>> everything burning and melting and all. the chemicals and electric cars and all. that [ __ ] has gotten into the water. table. It's all in the ground. >> Yeah. Well, some of it's in the bay cuz. it rained and it just flowed into the. sea with I mean it's a it's a it's a. mire of muck and Yeah, it's hard. >> Is it still bad? Is it still bad? >> No, it's okay. It's sort of filtered. out. >> You're talking about the ocean or the. Yeah. I mean, it's it's livable. It I I.

don't know, you know, I don't know if. your doctor would recommend it, but it's. it's livable. But the the thing that. I've always known is I've always known. how burdensome regulation is in Los. Angeles. And and it's it's invisible. And that's why we don't have housing and. that's why houses are too expensive. And. that's why there's no homeless shelters. and housing and all that stuff is. because it's so burdensome to build. They make it so difficult to build that. people don't build. And I knew this is.

what was coming. But other people didn't. really know it because they've not dealt. with the city plan check, regulations, plan approval, engineering. Like this is. stuff I've been doing my whole life. So, I knew early on that this wasn't going. to happen. And I think people who live. in Los Angeles are sort of naive. Like, they just think that coastal commission. and the city council and plan check and. building and safety. Like, they're there.

just to facilitate this stuff. They're. not there to facilitate any of it. They're there to deter it. >> They want you to go away is basically. what it is. So I knew none of this was. going to happen. >> And but also there's a thing that I. don't think anyone really is aware of, which is. >> they are so overregulated. that they make it so difficult to build. that people can't afford it and they're.

then stymied by it and they tend to just. get discouraged and they go away. They. don't do it. So what they do is like. >> I was friends with Suzanne Summers and. Allan Hamill and they lived in Malibu. and they loved Malibu and then their. home burnt down years ago. This was. another fire and then they wanted to. rebuild the home but the coastal. commission made it so difficult that. after 5 years of trying they just went.

[ __ ] it and they moved they moved to. Palm Springs. They wanted to live in. Malibu but they they couldn't. And it is. so regulated and so difficult and the. hoops they make you go through and the. engineering is insane. There is one. place that they're building on on. Pacific Coast Highway and I've been down. to the construction site and I've looked. at it. They're sinking 6 foot sixstory.

quesons. So 60 foot quesan cages. They. have to drill. So, a quesanon you just. drill into the earth and you use a huge. augur bit and the hole is like 30 in. around and you go down six stories and. then you drop a rebar cage into it and. then you pump concrete into it and. that's your quesan. There's a house and. it's a small lot. They're going to have. 60 of these things into the ground.

before they can start building. Is this. because of the instability of the ground. like landslides and stuff like that? They get a lot of that in. >> Malibu, right? >> Right. So, here's what California does. They go, "We're an earthquake country or. whatever they do." But I've lived in. houses in California that were built in. 1923. and 1929 when they had none of this. stuff and they had none of the. technology and they saw their way. through many earthquakes and they're. just there. So, they blame stuff like. earthquake or coastal or whatever it is,

and then they make you go 2,000 times. further than you needed to go. And I was. talking to the guy. I said, "How much. into this foundation before you can. start building?". >> He said, "$2.5. million into the ground." That's the. ground. That's before the first. >> And is this a new standard? >> Well, what they do is they just add new. ones every year. So it just keeps. getting more and more and more and then. eventually. >> that house becomes it becomes.

impractical to build there because it. costs too much money and then you don't. have houses. So that's what we do with. all housing in Los Angeles and that's. why the city council's like we need more. housing and it's like well you're not. going to get more housing [ __ ] because. you're overregulated and no one can. reach that standard and it's too. expensive. Well, and it's also then it's. not consistent with the houses that are. already okay. Like how about those. houses that are like on the side of a. hill with like poles,

just poles stuck into the ground. Like. half the house is hanging over the hill. >> Oh, well the thing about Malibu is the. Malibu Pier is 125 years old and that's. just telephone poles going into the. ground. Yeah. I mean, all they did back. then is take a pile driver and just mash. a telephone pole into the ground and. then they'd build they build many of the. houses that burnt down were on those cuz. they're like from the 40s and the 50s. So, the foundation was fine. It was the.

fire that got the house. >> Is anybody developing a legitimate. fireproof house? >> Yes. >> Yeah. What's that like? >> Um, >> cement outside? >> Yeah. I mean, basically what they're. doing is they're doing a cement. Yeah. So, it's it's like the walls are like. modular and it's filled with like foam. and like sort of a wire cage and then. the outside they spray on gunnite which. is like lightweight cement and just like.

trrow it on. So, the inside and the. outside is is essentially cement. But, you know, a stucco house is basically. cement too. Like really what they're. doing now is they're saying we're going. to frame the houses the way we always. frame the houses with wood. Cuz I think. a lot of people go, "Well, why aren't. they using steel or metal studs or. concrete or like why are they using why. aren't they using non-combustible. materials?" And what they're doing. essentially, because I just walked one.

of these houses in the Palisades, they're building it in a traditional way. using wood, but they're making the. outside fireproof. They're not going to. have the eaves, the rafter tails hanging. out, the wooden rafter tails hanging. out. They're not going to have the vents. to vent the attic where the embers can. get into the attic and then get to the. wood and cause cuz most of it was just. stuff blowing into the attic and then. the house ignited. sort of from the. inside out, right? >> So, if you do a flat roof, a metal roof,

and you do a stucco, glass, aluminum, and you don't do the rafter tails or the. eaves, and you don't have any way, then. essentially you have this. combustible house with a hard candy. shell around it that with nothing. combustible on that. And so, the fire. can't get started essentially. >> And how many houses had that? Because. you would imagine a lot of houses have. been built in the Palisades since like. the 2018 fire. There's there was fires.

before that. I remember there was a fire. in the 90s because this is a funny. story. uh uh me and uh JB Smooth were. doing a show in New Jersey and this was. like probably like 92 something like. that and uh some college in the middle. of New Jersey and it was hard to get and. there was no navigation back then so it. was hard to get to and so you had to. file follow you know right on this road. left and you had a piece of paper you're. following and so I got there uh I left. early JB wasn't there yet I was supposed.

to headline and uh they were like well. we're going to wait for JB to start the. show I said okay so I sat down the recck. room and I started watching this. documentary on the Malibu fires. So, whatever Malibu fires this was back. then. And this guy was they were call. this kid was calling for his dog and it. was this guy was crying. He was a. fireman. He was just weeping over and I. was like so depressed. And then they go, "Look, JB's not coming. He's he hasn't. been here yet. We can't reach him. So, we're just going to have you go up." I'm. like, "Okay." And I. >> wiping the tears away. [laughter].

>> I went on stage and [ __ ] flat out. bombed. I just I just bombed. And then. he came in. He finally figured out how. to get there. So I brought him up and he. killed. >> It was the heavy burden of the guy lost. his dog. >> It was a very valuable lesson. Do not. watch anything depressing right before. you go on stage or listen to anyone. that's depressing. Like if people start. saying depressing [ __ ] to me in the. green room, I'll just go stop. I can't. do this right now. Like I got to go on. stage and. >> I'm a compartmentalizer.

>> Really? I could watch a documentary on. the Holocaust and then walk out on stage. and go right into it. >> I can't do that. That's not me. Yeah, I. can't do that. I I um I get too. empathetic. I just it is I just start. thinking what would I do? Who would I. what would I do if I was them and [ __ ] I. can't believe this. But point is those. fires had always been there. Like flee. didn't Flee lose his house up there? I. know a lot of people watch a lot. Listen, I when I was a carpenter.

in the I think it it was probably the. later 80s. I built a house up I mean it. wasn't my house but I I worked on a. house like I was doing finish work. So I. was like hanging doors and doing base. and case and and stair railings and like. I was doing the I was like the finish. guy. >> and I showed up on one of our jobs, you. know, we had a few jobs going on. I work. for this outfit. But I I worked there. for like 6 months just doing all the. stair railings and the doors and.

everything. And that house burned to the. ground. Like I went up there some years. later. There was just a foundation. there. And I remember but to speak of me. being able to watch a doc on the. Holocaust and then go out and do comedy. I I was sitting outside. I was with. somebody and all it was was the. foundation the whole place. And I said, "Man, I remember being here like shaping. the oak and making the railings and. turning the turning the oak and getting. my router out and putting the finish on. and and everything. It's all gone." And.

and somebody went, "Wow, how's it make. you feel?" And I went, "I got paid. I'm. cool. >> Now, let's go watch a Holocaust. [laughter]. [gasps]. >> movie house." Yeah. >> But you lost your house in this fire, right? No, I I I lost everything in. front of my house and most everything. behind my house and like almost. everything to the right and the left. >> Wow. >> Literally. Yeah. >> How did you make just luck? >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> I wish it was,

>> you know, I wish I did something. I wish. I could claim something. Uh I couldn't. I didn't do anything. Um there was. >> burnt stuff on the roof of my house. I. could see where it kind of got started, but everything in front of me is gone. and a lot of stuff behind me and. probably 50 60%. Like it I I was an. outlier for sure. Like I. >> How many houses in your neighborhood. burnt down? >> Most of them, half of them. >> Oh yeah, >> most of them. >> Most Well, so PCH everything is gone.

And uh yeah, I would say I'm in the 10. percentile or something like it was. really. >> the odds were not good. >> And you're still living in that house. >> Uh yeah, after many months of of being. out. Yeah. But I'm. >> not allowed to go back to your house or. >> Yeah. Yeah. Was had to flee that night. had to go stay at a hotel in Burbank or. something and then basically just watch.

the news and I could see once in a while. in the news they'd cut to a spot where. you'd go, "Oh, that's the restaurant in. front of and it was a blaze." Like. everything every time they cut to. something around my house, it was all on. fire. So I was like in in Burbank and I. was sitting in a hotel room and I was. like, "Well, uh, it's gone. It's gone for sure. And. um that's when the following day I I did.

my podcast from the Burbank hotel room. because the winds were so strong that. the power was out to my studio, but the. power was on at this hotel I was in. So. I just sort of set up in the living room. of the hotel. And that's when I. delivered my none of this shit's going. to work speech, which is like, you know, the difference. It was like the opposite. of whatever Winston Churchill would have. done. I've done the opposite. Like, don't even try to build. The city's.

gonna [ __ ] you up. It's never gonna. work. And that that was like eight that. was like eight hours after the fire. I. was like, you're not getting a permit. and you're not rebuilding. >> You were right. >> Um in the 2008 fire, uh 2018 fire. rather, uh when I was living in Bell. Canyon, um three houses in front of me. burnt to the ground. >> Like I would say like maybe 20% of the. neighborhood burnt down. It wasn't. wasn't quite as bad as Malbo, but it. was, you know, three houses right in. front of our house. It was just dumb. luck that our house didn't catch fire.

And some things did catch fire. Our. fence caught fire. We had that shitty. equestrian fencing, the shitty kind. that's made out of plastic. Yeah, >> that's that stuff just [ __ ] caught. fire. Just was. But we didn't have. anything close enough to the house that. it carried over and burnt the house. down. We were lucky. >> Yeah, I was totally lucky, too. And I. had no idea that the place was intact. I. just assumed it it wasn't because. everything around it went. >> Did you take much when you left? >> No, just pretty much,

you know, a pillow and a blanket and. like just like underpants like just kind. of just kind of got out. It was kind of. the middle of the night. >> I didn't even take underwear. I had to. go buy underwear. That's when I realized. like some underwear is better because. [laughter] I had been me undies had been. a sponsor and I was only wearing me. undies and then I went and bought some. cotton underwear. This stuff [ __ ]. sucks. Yeah, >> this is terrible. I didn't have I didn't. bring any clothes. I didn't bring. anything. I just brought my laptop um. and um maybe some important photos or.

something like that. Like we didn't. bring much and then just went to a hotel. in Beverly Hills and just the sky was. filled with [ __ ] smoke everywhere you. looked, you know? Well, that was again, folks, this is the 2018 fire. LA burns. all the [ __ ] time. All the [ __ ]. time. >> Yes. >> And the fact that it burns all the. [ __ ] time and they had a giant. reservoir that was just sitting there. empty. >> Yes. >> In the middle of fire season and no one.

was addressing it. No one was pointing. out this is a real critical thing. We. got to get on top of that right away. We. got to fill that [ __ ] reservoir. >> Yeah. Well, we don't see LA sort of has. process people, but they don't have get. [ __ ] done people. They just have people. that talk about stuff and then have a. committee and we got to talk about the. homeless and everyone needs a seat at. the table and no one's illegal and all. this kind of stuff and then they go, "All right, let's eat." And they just. leave. They don't really do the nuts and. the bolts. Like I I realized, >> you know, like Trump is a builder, so he.

is a commercial builder. So his world is. hurry, hurry, get it done. What's going. on? What what's the hold up? Why aren't. we building? And so everything when. you're a commercial builder is, well, where's the foundation guy? Foundation's. done. Where the framing guys? Framing's. done. Where are the drywall guys? Where's the HVAC guys? Where's the. plumbing guys? Like what's taking so. long? You know what I mean? Hurry. >> And LA has a bunch of procedural people. Like they just sit around and talk about.

stuff. They don't want to get stuff. done. And like when you had Karen Bass, mayor and you had Trump at that presser. like a few days later, Trump was going, "Let's go. Let's go. Like, clean your. own lots. We don't." And Karen Bass was. like, "Slow your roll, man." She was. like on a different, you know, she was. like, "Slow down safely. We'll do it. safely." Cuz everything is under the. sort of tyranny of safety. They don't.

really realize how much safety [ __ ]. people up. I mean, that's what happened. with COVID. Like, safety say we're just. going to shut the schools. Like, yeah, you're just going to ruin civilization. because you said it was safe. >> And and no one argues with you when you. go safety, safety, safety. But safety. can be debilitating. I mean, you can. stop progress. You can ruin young lives. Like, too much safety stops the society. and they're all safety oriented and.

they're process people. So they're like, "Slow it down. Slow it down." And. Trump's like, "Spe it up." And that's. what you have in LA. You have just sort. of safety process. Mostly women just. kind of running the thing going, if one. child gets COVID, that's one child. No, no, no, [laughter] [ __ ] We got to open. [ __ ] up and we got to get moving. You. know, and that's basically what happened. with CO. The thing about the fires is. like, you know, Gavin Newsome's like,

"Oh, climate change." You just blame. everything on climate change. Which is. insane. >> It's hilarious. >> But it's like, look, New Orleans is. below sea below sea level. They're. they're down. And and so they have seaw. walls. So man intervenes and gets. involved with nature and says, "We'll. make it safe." You know, like plenty of. people live in Nevada now. They have air. conditioning. Somebody figured out air. conditioning and now there's casinos in. Nevada where it used to be unlivable.

because of the heat. Earthquake. You. know, you take LA and I used to do. earthquake rehab in Los Angeles. You. take a 7.3 earthquake in Los Angeles and. almost nothing happens. There's no. death. Couple apartment buildings and. recede a fall off or whatever. It's. really it's almost nothing in LA. like a. 7.3 7.3 in Guatemala place is leveled, right? So what what's the difference? Well, we have a bunch of codes, an.

earthquake, reinforced concrete. We know. we build for earthquakes and so when an. earthquake hits, almost nothing happens. So you can mitigate any of this stuff. like you're talking about climate. change. Well, earth earthquake is sort. of the ultimate climate change if you. think about it. It's like it's going to. shake the earth. You're making an. argument for those giant pylons. >> Ah, I'm making [laughter] an argument. for some quesons, but not 65 of them six.

stories deep. That's the That's the. point. There should be some. Once you. keep going, >> that's where it gets real burdensome and. real expensive. Like, you know, your car. should have a crumple zone and an. airbag, but it doesn't need a full roll. cage and a fuel cell, and you don't need. to wear a helmet when you're driving. It. would be safer, but it would cost so. much more to manufacture that car that.

most people couldn't afford the car. So, you can make cars with a fire. suppression system. Like my race cars. have systems for fire suppression, but. it would add 15 grand to the price of. every car and it's not. So you have to. kind of pick your battles. So we. did not prepare for the fires. We didn't. clear the brush. We didn't fill the. reservoirs. We didn't do all the stuff. >> All things that could be done. >> And Newsome goes climate change. And my. thing is, yeah, climate change, fine.

Let's make your argument. Climate. change. Now do something. But is it really like if you really. think it's not climate change? It isn't. >> It's not cuz LA's had the same climate. forever. There's been fires that. happened through LA where LA burns half. to the ground. I mean, while I was doing. Fear Factor, there was a crazy fire that. as I was driving home, that was a time. where where a guy died on the highway. I. got to see this I didn't see him get. hit, but this guy got hit trying to make. it across the highway and everybody was. panicking. But it took an hour of.

driving home where the entire right side. of the highway was on flames like the. Lord of the Rings. So this is always and. this is like early 2000s. So it's LA's. always caught fire. It doesn't rain. there. It doesn't rain there ever. And. it's been like that forever. That's why. they film movies there. It's not climate. change, you [ __ ] [ __ ]. >> It's a lack of preparation. >> Well, listen. It it only rain the only. time it ever rains is three days after. the fire. So we can have a mudslide and.

so you know we can have a sort of end of. days type Sodom and Gomorrah situation. So that is the only time it it rains is. just to cause the mudslide after the. fire. But to prove your point with. climate change, they're always talking. about rising sea levels, right? All the. houses that burn to the ground. are on the ocean and the ocean didn't. get them. It was the fire that got them. The the the the places on PCH, many of.

those places have been there since the. 30s and 40s. The ocean's in the same. place. It it hasn't moved at all. The. ocean is only 6 or 8 feet below PCH. It's not even that low. It's never on. PCH. ever makes it to PCH. And to show. it's a weird thing cuz people in. California talk about climate change, but the lots that are on the ocean side. of PCH are 10 million bucks more than.

the ones that are up the hill that would. be safe from the ocean that was rising. >> Yeah, the ocean is not rising. It hasn't. risen at all. It's all [ __ ] In. fact, there was some crazy thing that I. was reading about. Oh god, I don't want. to say whether it's Iceland or what. I. think I put it on my Twitter. I'm 99%. sure I did. So, I'll send it to you, Jamie. Yeah. Uh, it's from Reuters and. uh, it's about Iceland. Iceland is. declared a threat to the Atlantic Ocean. current, a national security risk,

potential collapse of which could. trigger a modern-day ice age with winter. temperatures across northern Europe. plummeting to new cold extremes. This is. Reuters and this is a new thing. Like I. have brought in uh climate change people. uh a lot of them who are scientists and. skeptics. You found it Jamie. >> This is it. So. >> this is [ __ ] bananas. >> So this is the exact opposite of what. they've been telling you about the ice.

The ice is going to melt. The ocean's. going to rise. And they're saying, "No, actually. we might get plunged into a new [ __ ]. ice age in Europe." Well, I mean, if you. really think about it, I mean, these. people were the ones who were talking. about the food pyramid 20 minutes ago. You know what I mean? They're wrong. about everything, >> almost everything. >> And they they're so wrong that they had. to switch it. Like, it used to be global. warming. Before that, it was the ice. age. Now, it's just they now they just.

go climate change cuz that basically. covers them being wrong about. everything. They're depressing the [ __ ]. out of young people, >> scaring the [ __ ] out of them. Climate. change fear is one of the biggest. anxieties that young people have. They. don't believe the world will be there. for them in the future if we don't act. now. That's the Greta Thurberg, right? Dare you. >> Right. But then why, you know, and and. the whole point is like why do anything. at that point? Why procreate? >> Why study? Why get a degree? Why learn a. trade a skill? Why learn how to play.

>> the clarinet if everything's going to be. underwater or on fire? Whatever that is. Like it's really debilitating to young. people. And it's weird. It's weird that these people try to. depress the [ __ ] out of young people. It's kind of weird. It's kind of. interesting that all the white people, all the young white people they sell. climate change to and then the young. black people they sell systemic racism. too because they're not really into the. climate change, but they're like, "Hey.

everyone, you got to be miserable. That's our our whole point." So, it's. like Greta Thunberg talks to all the. white kids and goes climate change and. then uh Obama talks to all the young. black kids and goes systemic racism. But. either way, let's not enjoy ourselves. >> Yeah. There's also a thing that you you. come to realize as you're an adult. If. there is ever a public narrative where. they're protecting you and protecting. the future and trying to help and save.

people, that's a lie. Right. >> Almost always it's about money. It's. almost always about somebody profiting. from some green energy initiative or. some other [ __ ] they're trying to. push through. Some vegan meat, whatever. the [ __ ] it is. Stop eating beef. The. cows are ruining the climate. It's all. It's all lies. There's no [ __ ] real. statistics that can point to that in any. way, shape, or form. And yet they spit. it out on TV all the time pretending. that they care about you. They never.

ever ever care about public health and. safety. Ever. It is always about how am. I making money by scaring you about. public health and safety. Whether it's. climate change or whether it's COVID, whether it's take the vaccine or whether. it's stop using gas powered vehicles, >> it's someone making money. >> I agree. The scary part is our sort of. infinite infinite ability to absorb the. next one that comes down the pike. and. run with it, right?

You or me, but I just mean as a society, they'll just go, "What's next?" And. they'll start pitching the next. >> Ukraine. Whatever. Whatever their pitch, >> they'll embibe it and they'll digest it. And and by the way, then they become. sort of carriers. They just go out and. report on it and then tell you, you. know, they they somehow become. ambassadors of [ __ ] They're like. [ __ ] ambassadors. Like we have. deputized all you dumb scared people to. be released on onto society as.

ambassadors of [ __ ] who are going to. scare everybody cuz co wouldn't have. worked if we didn't have a bunch of dumb. scared people running around. Like Gavin. Newsome can shut the beaches all he. wants but if everyone just declared a. beach day then we'd be fine. Everyone. just show up. They can't police it. You. know what I mean? They are sort of. limited in terms of what they can do in. terms of policing it, but they deputize.

all these dumb ambassadors to go out and. enforce it for them. And then that's the. scary part. >> Right. Right. It's the people doing the. man's work for the man. >> Yeah. Like nobody in a uniform ever told. me to put a mask on. It was all. middle-aged women. It [laughter] was. there was nobody of any who had any. authority or a badge or gun. It was all. the idiots that had been weaponized in. the society. >> Yeah. And it was also a thing where they. had the opportunity to yell at you and.

you just had to take it. >> Yes. >> Well, they were on the right side. >> Put a [ __ ] mask on. Like, whoa, who. are you talking to, [ __ ] Why are you. talking to me like that? Everybody had. to just eat it. >> I think all roads lead to narcissism. like they felt like they go, I have a. son who has asthma. Do you think it's. okay? Me, everything was I, me, I, I. have an elderly parent. I'm a caregiver. I granny me. Yes, that was all. >> God, that was all that's all it was. But.

also, but no anger towards the people. that created the disease. I say lit once. once the information came out and. literally Newsweek was I think the first. place that broke on the front cover the. the lab leak hypothesis and they were. they were saying it seems like that is. actually the case. Nobody got angry. You. you you were angry at people that didn't. want to get vaccinated and you didn't. get angry at the person who used science. to create a horrible disease that was.

completely avoidable and that killed who. knows how many people. That didn't make. you mad. >> Well, I think what was going on because. you and I and I've talked to a lot of. people about this like where's the anger. over finding out that it was made in. China at a lab and and so on and so. forth and then where's the anger over. being forced to being vaxed or all this. misinformation being used and blah blah. blah. And I realize they don't want to. say anything cuz uh they're ashamed.

because they were the ones who bought it. and enforced it and got really militant. about it and started screaming at anyone. who suggested it came from a lab or. suggested the shot wasn't good or going. to work or spread or natural immunity. They went after everyone so hard. Yeah. That now it's a lesson in embarrassment. and humiliation for them to go, "Oh, me. a cobalt." Like, "Okay, I get it. I was. wrong." I think the people that were a.

little more neutral about it can. definitely process it. Everyone else is. sort of reporting that they're idiots if. they do this and they're gullible. And. it also leaves them vulnerable for the. next one. Meaning. if you go, "Hey man, I was 100% wrong. about all things CO. I thought it came. from a pengalin and a wet market. I. thought getting triple vex would save. the day. I thought Imechin was the horse.

paste or whatever." Like I went all in. and I was 100% wrong. If you do that, well eventually there's going to be. another thing that comes along and it. doesn't have to be a pandemic. It can. just be whatever climate change, right? >> And then you go, well, you know how. wrong you were about everything co. perhaps you're wrong about climate. change or this next thing or who you. voted for and they don't want to open. that window, that possibility. >> Well, that's unfortunate because what.

you're saying is actually a formula for. figuring out how to better navigate the. world because if you do say, "Hey, I was. wrong. Uh, I really believed all that. stuff they were saying and now I get it. and I'm sorry and I'm sorry that I. called you a plague rat because you you. didn't get the vaccine. I'm sorry I. thought it was a good idea to mask. children and vaccinate children. I'm. sorry. Maybe then the next time. something comes along, you'll say, "Okay, wait a minute. What what is the. public narrative that's being forced. down my throat that I'm a bad person if.

I don't believe? and let me analyze this. and let me see are there any dissenting. opinions that are like from Stanford and. MIT which there certainly was during co. and those all got silenced. Is there. anybody else out there that makes a very. good point that maybe this is [ __ ]. and is there a financial incentive as to. why they're pushing this narrative? So. if you go through something where you're. totally wrong and you're adamant about. enforcing this wrong opinion and then. you have to realize it and if you can.

come to grips with the idea that your. ideas are not you, you are just a person. and your ideas are just some things that. you have that you carry with you but. they are not you and they will become. you if you get married to them and. defend them even if you know that. they're wrong. then they'll be like a. child and you're hiding hiding a body. for them and instead you can say, "Oh, this is why that idea worked on me. Now. I recogn you know it's like if someone. cheats on you or if someone like if you. have a business manager that steals.

money, next guy you're going to check. the [ __ ] books." You know what I. mean? If you're working with a guy and. you think you might be showing up at the. job drunk, the next person you hire, you're going to go, "Do you have a drunk. drinking problem?" You're going to be a. little bit more ready for it. That's a. thing that could be happening here as. well. Like if you just admitted that you. were wrong and then just came clean with. it, you'd feel better about yourself. People would feel better about your. opinions because they know they can. trust you to say when you were wrong. And you'll probably be way better.

equipped to analyze the next narrative. that's being shoved down your throat and. go, "Hold on. Before we jump right in. this and blow up all the gas powered. cars, let's look at Before we kill all. the cows, let's look at this. You are. right, but we're sort of getting back to. a sort of insecurity thing. Like I. >> you are good at enough stuff and. successful enough that you can handle. somebody going, "Yeah, you were wrong.

about this thing.". >> Right? um for them so much of their. worth is tied up in this. You know what. I mean? Like I don't know. >> And I don't think you know any guys that. really are good at stuff, really. mastered something. Could be an. instrument, could be mixed martial arts, could be master carpenter. They don't. walk around with that. So insecure. So, they don't fight so hard. Like, like. I remember when I was a kid, I would.

argue real hard because I guess I was. insecure. Like, I'm right. You're wrong. You know, like remember you're a kid, you get so caught up in stuff, you know, like, oh, >> who would win in a fight, Godzilla or. King Kong, and you you'd start getting. like really fired up and stuff. And then. I got older and then I got successful. and I learned a trade and I knew some. stuff and I had some race cars and did. some stuff and I kind of went, "Yeah, okay. I can be wrong cuz I'm I'm still.

going to be this person." You know what. I mean? >> Yeah. >> And it's it's like. you own the building we're sitting in. So you can be wrong. >> It's your building. It's still going to. be your building. You know what I mean? But if it's not your building and you're. just sort of temporary and you don't own. anything and you don't master anything. and nothing has your name on it, well. then you're fighting for that. >> where you're fighting for your very. identity. >> You're Yeah, that becomes part of your.

identity. Whereas like. >> co being right or being wrong wasn't. really I wasn't that wrapped up in it. I. had other things that was going on. So I. think we're dealing with a deficit of. expertise and these people are fighting. hard. Like for me a lot of it. toggling in between the bluecollar world. and the sort of ideas world of you know. air conditioning and cubicles and.

thoughts and ideas and stuff and then. being on a job site. The job site guys. are the most even guys I've ever hung. out with. co by the way co neither here. nor there to to the workers to the dudes. putting on the tool bags and swinging. the hammer just I spent a lot of time. with these guys and I would go from the. job site blue collar regular dudes and. then I'd go into the white collar world. and it's triple mask and everyone's. distancing and dumping pel on their head.

and I [laughter] was like what what is. so different about these two and. >> the ones they're up in their head they. intellectualize everything and the other. guys are tactile and they have a. relationship with danger. Everything on. that job site could cut your hand off. There's belt sanders and band saws and. like routers are really dangerous. They. have, you know, carbide bits on them. that'll gouge you and [ __ ] you up badly. And you got to know what you're doing.

Like and and and a router is not the. same as a hypoid saw and that's not the. same as a framing gun. Like you have to. sort of know and there is no such thing. as well that's dangerous. Don't use. don't use the power saw. It's too. dangerous. Like well we got to build a. house. >> Well it's too dangerous. Well we got to. speed it up. Meaning like. >> you got to get up on scaffolding. >> or you got to get on a ladder but you. have to do it and you you have to weigh. it. you know, you have to kind of go,

well, it's going to take a long time to. put scaffolding all the way around this. house. How about I just put a ladder? And you go, well, that's not as safe as. scaffolding. Yeah, I know, but we got to. do this thing. And so, it's a constant. weighing of danger, right? >> Like pros, cons, what could happen? Cuz. everything could kill you in that. situation, but you have to get the job. done. And so those guys are calibrated. And so like CO felt like something to. them, but they calibrated the danger and.

realized yes, it's a thing, but I also. have to go to work and schools need to. be open and it doesn't really affect. kids. Let's protect the old people. Like. it they had to make those decisions. And. the white collar college crowd. cannot calibrate and they don't know. what to do with danger. They they don't know how to deal with it. and they've been off the farm for so.

long and in the air conditioning that. it's gone. >> Like you grow up on a farm and that's. part of your life and that used to be. part of everyone's life. You were just. going to a factory, work a stamp or a. press, you know, whatever it is. It. could take your hand off and then you're. on a farm and it's the same thing. Equipment stuff's above stuff. Stuff can. happen. You're constantly sort of. calibrated for danger. And then you move. everyone out of the farm and off the.

factory and out of the construction site. and you put them in an air conditioned. cubicle and you slather them up with. Purell and they lose all their. calibration. So when something like CO. comes along, they go, "Oh [ __ ] close. everything. Get a distance. Put a mask. on." Uh even if you're going to swim. practice, you got to wear the mask in. the pool because we gota we're it's was. 100% safety Uber Alice because they. weren't no one was calibrated and it was. all of the administrators and the.

teachers and all the academics and all. the people that ran college, they were. making all they were the ones that were. doing all the process for this. They. were making all the rules. It wasn't the. bluecollar. >> guys making the rules. It was all the. white collar college educated people. >> Terrified people. >> Terrified because they don't. >> they don't have a relationship to. danger. >> They don't they don't have that. >> Like you just laid it out. That was. brilliant. It's true. It's absolutely. true. It's not a normal way to live. You.

know, it's not natural. >> Well, being as safe as humanly possible. all the time is not good. And they look. at it as good. So again, it's. >> we can put 5 kons in the ground and. that'll be enough for the next 200. years. Yeah, but why not do 500 quesons? Wouldn't that be better? And it's like, yeah, no, it's too expensive. It's not. feasible and it's not going to work. And. so like saying. >> protecting old people would be a good. idea. Shutting down schools would be a.

bad idea. And their whole thing is we're. shutting everything because we're going. full safety all the time. And it is a. big problem. There's also no diversity. of thought, >> right? >> Because it's a giant liberal bubble. >> It's a big echo chamber. And so all the. crazy ideas get supported by other. people that think these crazy ideas are. rational. >> And there's not enough balance. There's. not enough pe the fact that they did it. with I mean all those people with. children, right? They they must have. known this is bad for their child's. development. They must have known the.

kid didn't need a vaccine. They must. have known that COVID, if you look at. the statistics, it's very insignificant. for kids. It's not even like the flu. That's how it was with my kids. That's. how it was with most of my friends kids. It was nothing. But yet, they allowed. those [ __ ] to keep them out of. school for a year and a half. They told. them to wear masks when it didn't make. any sense, when there was no studies. whatsoever that masks did any good. In. fact, not only that, but there's some. real indicators that masks, like. carrying around a dirty [ __ ] mask and. breathing into it all day probably.

increases the amount of bacteria you're. taking in. >> Oh, yeah. It's It's terrible. >> I I Well, first off, I I want you to. know I told my son who was in high. school at the time, if you come back. from school and tell me that no one told. you to put a mask up at least 15 times, I will disown you. I [laughter] want. that [ __ ] mask around your nut sack. like the entire time. I want it to be a. constant correction where put the mask I. when they're done telling you to put the. mask up and they walk away put it back. down again. >> So stupid. >> I will be so proud of you if you get.

suspended for this. I was at I was in. Catalina. and I was outdoors in Catalina during. COVID. >> which is an island folks. >> which is an island folks and I was. trying to exchange a ticket for a ferry. ride in a outdoor kiosk in Catalina and. I was standing on one side outside and. the woman was inside the kiosk like. behind the glass and I go look I just. got to trade this 2:00 ticket in for. like a 5:00 ticket. And she goes, "You. got to put a mask on or we can't do.

anything." I said, "I'm out here. You're. in there. I'm outdoors. There's glass. between us." And she's like, "You got to. put a mask on or we cannot do this. transaction." And I was [laughter] like, "I don't have a mask." And she's like, "You got to put" And I looked around. >> Could you do this? >> Do the shirt. >> Yeah. Isn't it the same thing? >> I don't know. I've tried I've tried it. for farting for years and it's not. proven to be effective. >> But you could do it with the bandana. went. She goes, "You need a mask." And I.

said, "Okay." And I looked around and. there was a someone else's mask was. blowing down the sidewalk. Literally, I. went and got the stupid mask and I. [laughter] put. >> somebody else's dirty mask from the. ground on my face and I went, "Okay, you. satisfied we got a mask." And she goes, "All right, here's your ticket." And. then I just took it off and threw it. away. I did that way more than once. I. did that walking into LAX where I never. had a mask. I would, it was so insane to. me that I wouldn't even think about it,

but I would find myself walking into an. airport going, "Oh [ __ ] I don't I. don't." And I'd see one on the ground. and I'd [laughter] just pull it up and. put it on. Have you ever seen those uh. landfills with filled with masks? >> Oh god. >> How many masks turned into just. landfill? >> We're so dumb. >> It's so dumb. It was a environmental. disaster. There was millions, hundreds. of millions of those [ __ ] things just. in this country. >> Just in this country. >> You mentioned gloves. I mean, people are.

putting gloves. >> I didn't wear any gloves, but I wore. masks. So, think about it. All the times. I wore a mask. I'm one person. I. probably wore 30 or 40 different masks. over the course of however long it took, maybe a hundred, who knows? >> I was a mask recycler cuz I get my [ __ ]. off the ground. [laughter]. >> When I first moved [clears throat] here, that was one of the things that I was. shocked by. People weren't wearing. masks. I was like, they're living in a. totally different reality. >> Well, not not only But the thing that's. crazy is the first time we heard the.

phrase mask up in between bites, like on. an airplane where they they'd yell at. you to wear the mask the whole time, right? And then at some point they'd. hand you the hummus box and they'd go in. between bites. >> I was like, >> we all should have went, "Okay, this. doesn't exist." Masking up in between. bites. I yelled I was talking to Dr. Drew and I. said, "Mask up in between bites. That's. that's zero. That means zero mask, right? I mean, it wouldn't work at all.". Right? He goes, "No, it's nothing." And.

I said, "If I ran a highway safety. campaign that said belt up in between. lights, it would make more sense.". >> Yeah. >> Than mask up in between bites. >> Oh, that actually would make sense. >> At least 50% of the time you'd have your. seatelt on. If you could get it on in. time for when the green light goes, yeah, it would totally make sense. Unless somebody rear ends you while. you're parking. >> Well, I would recommend just keeping the. seat belt on all the time, but masking. up in between bites makes zero. Zero.

And the weird thing is is like people, the scary part is people weren't. skeptical at all. Like they should have. heard mask up in between bites and went, "Oh, okay. So, this is all theater. this. is [ __ ] Like, I'm not going along. with this. Or half half the people that. lectured me on wearing a mask were. wearing theirs down around under their. nose, you know? Or the one I liked, my. favorite one was when the flight. attendant would go, "You're going to.

have to get that mask on." Cuz for me it. was a constant, you got to, you know, I'm a mouth breather. I'm like, I this. is driving me nuts. You know, I'm being. like waterboarded with my own saliva. here. And they'd always come and half. the time the flight attendant had their. mask with the elastic strap twisted 180. which made it create a huge gap. [laughter] on the side. Like I can see. 3/4 of an inch of daylight coming in the. side of your mask [ __ ] and you're. giving me a lecture about wearing a.

mask. We should have known. People. should have been skeptical. We should. have seen it didn't hurt kids. Like the. whole lie was the kids part. I was on to. them early because. I realized well somebody pointed out to. me later why I was I was skeptical early. which is. there was a pattern that would that had. broken which is every time they give you.

a death like when you're driving and. listening to the radio and they go. 89year-old man was struck and killed by. a cyclist on you know and then they'd go. a 61-year-old mother from Lever you. know, whatever that thing. And when I. started hearing about COVID deaths, I. didn't get an age. I just got another. person died of COVID. And I was like. listening to it like this was like 5. days in. This person died of COVID. That. person and I was like, "How old was that. person?" And they never said the age.

They just said died of COVID. And I was. like, "But if you died in a motorcycle. accident or a heart attack, they gave an. age." All throughout history. I was. like, I'm not getting ages. I think. these are really old people, but they're. not telling us they're really old people. cuz it wouldn't scare us as much because. if a 91year-old dies of anything, you. just kind of go, "All right, the guy had. a good run, you know?" But if you hear. about an 11year-old dying, it's a big. deal. And so I stopped hearing ages and.

I was like, "They're trying to [ __ ] with. us now because they don't want to tell. us these are elderly people who are. dying of CO." And so I kind of caught on. that kids weren't being affected or. being affected I should say early with. COVID. And then they focused all on the. kids. But the kids were there to scare. us because when elderly people die, it's. just not a tragedy compared to young. people dying, right? >> And so they left the old people off.

They focus real hard on the kids. They. shut the schools. And then when we start. to catch on and go, "Well, I don't think. these kids are dying." They go, "Yeah, but. they get CO, they bring it home because. they live with Nana and Papy." And I'm. like, who lives with their grandparents. in Los Angeles in 2021? You know what I mean? Like it's like. it's like Italy 1930. You know what I. mean? [laughter] Like I don't live with. nobody I know lives with their.

grandparents. They were working the kid. angle and that was to scare the moms and. then the moms control the house. >> and that's how it works. The moms are. the ones kind of setting the pace for. the house, >> right? And if they're being told that. something's going to keep everybody. safe, they're going to lean in that. direction. >> and hurting the kids. Yeah. >> Then they go super safety uber Alice. >> Yeah, that's what they did. This the. thing is like I wonder how many people.

if something very similar happened. tomorrow if a new COVID that's just as. bad as the last CO meaning that it's not. really that bad. It's it's not the. bubanic plague. It's something that's. going to really mostly be a major. problem for old people and for people. that are already immune compromised or. have many co-orbidities like most of the. people that died, >> right? >> If but. if that came along today, I wonder how. quickly people would be willing to.

accept the rejection of alternative. medicines like if people found out like. the one of the big ones that was really. I thought insidious was monoconal. antibodies. monoconal antibodies were. really effective and because of that. they made them really hard to get it. It. like there's a conspiracy there. I don't. want to connect any dots. I don't know. who was involved in it, but I do know. that they were making monoconal. antibodies very difficult to get. And. when I asked my doctor, I said, "Why do. you think they're doing that?" He said,

"To encourage vaccination 100%." He. said, "It has nothing to do with the. effectiveness of it. It's very. effective." I listen, I was always. really suspicious how everyone became. overnight experts in everything. You. know what I mean? Like, [clears throat]. oh, they knew hydroxychloricquin. They couldn't pronounce. >> ivormectin 10 minutes ago and now. they're experts in it. >> And also, I'll tell you when you should. be suspicious. Be suspicious when people.

aren't sort of agnostic about things. Like if you'd said to me, "What about uh. Ivormectin or hydroxychloricquin?" I'd. go, "Well, I don't know. I'm not a. doctor. Why don't you talk to your. doctor about it? What am I. epidemiologist? I don't I'm a comedian. I don't know anything." Everyone on CNN. was an expert. And they all knew that it. didn't work. And I'm like, "How do you. guys all know this all at the same time? How does Rolling Stone magazine, how do.

how do you losers all know this thing. that you never heard of before that you. couldn't pronounce the day before. yesterday? You now all know it doesn't. work based on nothing. So now I'm. suspicious. >> because if if CNN was just sort of like, hey, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. work. I don't know. You should. definitely look into it. But they all. knew it didn't work. And when you know. it doesn't work, then you should be.

suspicious of those people because it's. impossible. It's like, well, the whole. gamble was hoping you didn't Google. search it, >> right? They knew it didn't come from a. lab. How is that knowable, >> right? >> How do you know unequivocally that it. didn't come from a lab where they. developed these antibodies and these not. only these racist theory some. >> Right. Right. So here's the whole thing. If if CNN, you know, if somebody said to. CNN, hey, do you think it came from a.

wet market or it came from a lab? Do you. think Ivormectin works or. hydroxychloricquin works? And they just. went, I don't know. I we got to look. into it. I don't Maybe it's makes sense. it came from a lab, but I don't know. We. should look into it. But they all knew, >> right? >> And when you know something you don't. know, then you're lying, >> right? >> That's propaganda. >> That's how it works. That's how it works. and that's what we got shoved down our. face. The Ivormectin thing was. fascinating because when um CNN was uh.

saying that I was taking a horse. dewormer which is that they they chose. to refer to it as that. >> That's perfect. >> I had no idea Ivormectum was even. remotely controversial when I said that. >> I I didn't know. I just knew that this. was what was recommended along with all. that other stuff. But they didn't focus. on any of the other things. They. couldn't dismiss monoconal antibodies. because everybody knew that that was. really effective. IV vitamins proven. effective. >> But it they protested so much like I was.

yelling like they're going, "Oh, look at. you know Joe Rogan." I go, "Is Joe Rogan. dead?". >> Cuz he seems fine. >> Not only was I not dead, I got better. really quick. And they didn't care about. that at all. >> So the the nar and I'm not young, you. know, at the time. I was 53 or four, 54. Um, it's it's not it wasn't what they. said it was. And that was what the. problem was. When they found a healthy. person. >> who takes care of himself, got over it. really quickly with these medications. They had to figure out. They turned my.

face yellow. >> I know. But here's my whole thing. Why would you mortgage your integrity? >> Why would you play so fast and loose. with the only thing you really need to. own? Like it's really all you've got in. terms of, >> you know, my house could have burned. down in Malibu, but I can get a new. house, you know, and my Paul Newman race. car I could crash in total, but it's but.

I can get a new one. But when your. reputation goes, >> that's it. >> Exactly. >> That's all you got. >> Especially when it's approvable, easily. provable. >> So why were they so fast and loose? Like. why was Sanjay Gupta up there talking. about horse paste when he knew better. when it is now so damaging to their. reputation? Like if somebody said to me, "Hey, Rolling Stone magazine," I'd go, "Fuck off. I'm not going to listen to. any of those people. Sanjay Gupta.

recommends." I'd be like, "That all he. does is lie. I'm not going to Maybe he's. right, by the way. Maybe he's not lying. about this thing. I'm just saying I'm. not going to listen to him and many. other people because of this. And I. don't get why you would do that. I mean. for him to say horse pace like I like. well it can be used on a horse. It's. like. >> I don't think Sanjay said that but most. of them. >> he you know what he did is he went back.

onto like Anderson Cooper show. >> Don Lemon. >> or Don Lemon sorry. Yeah. To me, they're. almost the same [laughter]. guy. They both They love lying and [ __ ]. Those are their things. But you're right, they're different. They're different. So, he went on Don. Lemon and Don Lemon is going, "But but. it is can be used on a horse." He's. like, "Well, it can't I mean, he really. should have used that moment to clarify. a little bit, but he just sort of.

passively went along with Don Lemon. I. think he's more of a just not being a. very brave person. >> and being confronted and not being very. easy. Also, it was like I think one of. the first times he'd ever been attacked. Um he got attacked publicly after and he. got attacked publicly even more after. that and I actually like made a post. about it just like he's a good guy just. he's a part of a system, you know. I. don't think Sanjay's a bad guy at all. I. I like talking to him. I think he's.

really nice guy. >> I agree. I agree. And I and I don't I. feel that way about most people who were. involved with this. Most not not all. But. >> still. being a good guy but sort of pedalling. misinformation that you you know enough. like you know what the truth is. >> I think many of them don't. >> This is a problem with medicine. Like. say if I believe Sanjay is a. neurosurgeon. Is that correct?

I believe that's what he does. He's a. practicing doctor. Right. Right. So that. involves him being focused on his area. of expertise all day long and very. little time for anything else. You're. working long hours. You're doing very. complicated surgeries. >> I don't think you have the time to go. look on Reddit and find out conspiracy. theories about SB4 40 and the [ __ ]. vaccine, the Simeon virus 40. Like, what.

is this? Hold on. What is a What's mRNA? How did they make it? What do the tests. actually show? What are the like No, he's going by whatever the medical. establishment tells everyone to go by. If they're saying it's been shown to. give you antibodies, it will stop. deaths, this works, he's just going to. say that. He's not the guy that's going. to do a bunch of research and go find. So when he's saying that, when he's. trying to tell people to get vaccinated, it's not because he's a propagandist.

It's because he believes the business. that he works for because he's not that. guy. He's not like Peter McCulla who. goes digging into all the studies and. says, "No, this is none of this is. accurate." Or Robert Malone who did the. same thing who's literally owns patents, nine patents on the creation of mRNA. vaccine technology, got vaccinated, and. then was telling people, "Don't do it. This is is not what they said. it has a. terrible reaction to the body. This is. why it doesn't stay local. He starts. saying all these things and they're. accusing him of spreading.

misinformation. Like he literally helped. create the [ __ ] thing and he's. telling you to not do it. >> They would go after anybody just got. outside the narrative. >> But what I'm saying is Sanjay's not that. guy. >> I agree. But he he he could have figured. out the horse paste part. Like there's a. >> he just I think he probably just wanted. to keep that gig at CNN and Don Lemon. didn't want to take the L. He didn't. want to take an L. Like you your whole. company took an L. And here's the big. way they took an L. They are used to. doing that to people. They're used to.

doing that. They're used to lying about. you. They're used to bullshitting and. getting away with it because they had a. bigger platform, >> right? >> And I don't think they've realized up. until that point. I don't think they. realized how big podcast had gotten. I. really don't think they knew. I think. they thought we're CNN. We can get away. with any. There's a hundred people. working in this building. It's just him. and [ __ ] Jamie. This is crazy. We're. gonna bury this guy, right? >> And I think they went for it in that. way. And. >> you know, my first of all, I easily. could have sued him.

>> Oh, yeah. >> Easily easily could have won a ton of. money. >> Um, but. my perspective was like, you do you. think you can just lie and what? I can. talk like you can't stop me from telling. the truth. This is mortgaging your. integrity is the perfect way to describe. it cuz like what a stupid thing to do. for the whole network. I wouldn't care. if it's the pharmaceutical drug. companies or whoever. If I was the head. of that network and someone said we're. going to just lie about someone and.

we're going to call a a a universally. accepted effective medicine. We're going. to call it horse dewormer. Something. that's in the World Health. Organization's list of essential. medicines. The guy who created it won a. Nobel Prize. we're gonna call that horse. dewormer and we're just going to say uh. that it's killing people and then we're. going to just run with I'd be like what. the [ __ ] are you talking about? We have. to stay CNN has to be here in 2030. CNN's got to be here in 2040. If if we. kill the reputation in 2020, you're.

going to [ __ ] it up for the future. This. is not worth doing. >> Well, they definitely. they and by the way, they came right off. of Russian collusion of like four years. of that. >> Exactly. right into co like they were. just wrong about everything but you're. right they got used to it and they got. kind of complacent and I don't think. they anticipated what you're talking. about the sort of alternative media and. podcasters and just voices coming coming.

from other places. >> and also those voices being united like. you were saying things that I was saying. that Glenn Greenwald was saying that M. Taibbei was saying it like all these. different podcasts were all saying this. is horse [ __ ] and that voice of this is. horseshit was enormous in comparison to. CNN, >> right? And but it's always it it's what. happens to all sort of old guard.

companies or many I mean it it it can be. media but could also just be automotive. manufacturers like the big three were so. big and so dominant for so long in this. country that when Toyota and Datson. started showing up in 1969 they're like. [snorts]. >> get out of here just going to try that. little pop gun. No one wants that crap. Come on, man. We make we make [snorts]. land yachts, you know, and they didn't. start changing,

>> right? >> They It took them a long time because. they were like, "We're Ford. We're. Chrysler. We're GM. We're huge. We do. it. We sell cars to the world and they. want our private and nobody I mean it's. it happens countlessly like in business. like somebody needs to sound the alarm. but no one says anything and they just. sail off and at some point their market. share drops you know below 20% or. whatever and now it's time for a huge. correction right and I'm guessing legacy.

media is going through that they're. they're basically going through what the. big three auto manufacturers went. through in the early 80s like we need to. make a more reliable smaller car that's. more fuel efficient. Yeah, they were. Toyota, Nissan, you know, Datson and. whatever. They were way down the road on. that making those cars before Ford and. Chrysler and GM and whatever started. begin to think about that, you know. So. it's like a it's like an aircraft.

carrier takes a long time to turn around. and these media companies at least like. traditional legacy stuff are realizing. we got to write the ship and they're. doing it but it's how it seems. doing other than bringing on guys like. Scott Jennings and Coleman Hughes and. more reasonable people. >> It it it's like incremental. It's slow. Barry Weiss is now doing the news.

division at CBS. So CBS who's like lying. all through 60 Minutes and editing and. cooking and all that kind of stuff. They. found somebody from our sort of media. sphere to come in and sort of be a. little more middle of the road. And it's. going to be tough cuz you got a bunch of. old guard there who doesn't want to do. it. I mean, it's sort of like the first. Trump administration. Like, he goes, "I'm going to come in and I'm going to. do a whole bunch of [ __ ] that I want to.

do." And it's like, "Not with all these. old guard people hanging around going, all right, oh, we'll call you president, but behind your back, we're not going to. let you do any of this shit." Yeah. >> Well, it's going to take these. progressive media companies a little. while to flush out all of these college. grads that have been there for 10 years. that have just been used to having their. way. >> Yeah. Parasitic ideologues, >> right? >> Yeah. It's But that's news. I mean, half.

of what you see in the news is. essentially propaganda. They're they're. pushing a very specific narrative and. ignore it's not an objective look at. both sides of any story. It's always. coming from some sort of an activist. lens. And it's weird that that's been. allowed to talk. I mean, it's the same. thing. You're mortgaging your. reputation. You. >> But you just to cut you off, you don't know it until they start. writing about you and talking about you.

And that's when you realize, oh my god, they got everything wrong. Like, forget. about co just in general, you know what. I mean? Like just back in the day when. they'd start writing an article about. you. I mean, at the beginning of your. career or whatever, like I started. noticing it when they just write. articles about me. Not they weren't. being negative. I just read the article. and go, they got that wrong, they got. that wrong, they got that wrong. And I. realized that the person next to me who.

was just reading the newspaper thought. it was all that. You know what I mean? And so until they start writing about. you, you don't really realize just how. far off they are even without an agenda, right? >> And then once they get an agenda, now. they're way the [ __ ] off because now. it's intentional. Whereas in the past, they're just inaccurate, you know? But. it is kind of sobering to read stuff. about yourself and it's always like,

"Oh, they got it wrong." Well, when. someone's doing something like that on. purpose, that's evil. That's an evil. person and that's a giant chunk of that. business. A giant chunk of that business. is purposely misrepresenting people. because that's going to make for a more. salacious story or that's going to push. the narrative that you're trying to. push. And this BBC thing that they did. with Trump, I'm sure you you watched. that. Like that's a perfect example of. that. They felt justified in editing. something to make it look like he had a.

completely different sentence. >> Well, the funny thing about it is. whenever they confront the outgoing head. who's on the way out, they always go, "Yeah, we did this, but we're not biased. at all." And it's like, [laughter]. >> well, it's first off, it's one or the. other, [ __ ] Like it's our bias and why. did you do it? Why why By the way, you. didn't get the tape like this. You. edited the tape like this. So that's a. calorie burner right there.

>> A thing you could say you made a mistake. when it's literally 53 54 minutes later. he says the second part of the sentence, >> right? >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. So you're biased and you're. cooking it. And that means we don't need. to listen to the BBC anymore, which is. the part about mortgaging your. reputation, which. >> people I think I' I've come to sort of. learn that it's not always about. accuracy. I think it's about.

authenticity, which is to say. people may disagree with something that. Joe Rogan or Adam Corolla has to say, and that's fine because it's going to. happen. I mean, that's society. That's. opinions. That's how it works. But they. have to believe you believe it. And if. we believe, you believe it. And I think. a lot of your success is people go, he 100% believes what he is saying. And.

even if I disagree with 20% of your. 100%, I will listen to you because you. believe it. And I think that's the. problem. The problem is is when you. don't believe that person believes what. they're saying, >> right? >> So, you can be inaccurate. I mean, it's. a lot of moving parts, a lot of. information, a lot of stuff you never. heard of before.

>> You can be, you know, something like. COVID. >> I don't know about ivormectin or. hydroxychloricquin. I don't know. monoconal any. I don't know any of this. stuff. So, I'm willing to go I could. make a mistake. I don't know this. subject, but I am saying what I think. and I believe. And if you believe that, then we're going to have a relationship. If you start thinking I'm lying, it's. really going to hurt the relationship. >> Yeah. And if your job is to just lie, if. they've given you some sort of a.

mandate, this is how we're going to. frame this. It's not like it was their. ideas to all lock step in uniform, start. calling it horse dewormer, >> right? And that Rolling Stone article. where they pretended that a bunch of. people were waiting in line at the. emergency room for gunshot wounds. >> It's a And not only that, it was a photo. of people wearing winter coats cuz they. were lining up for the flu shot. That. was the stock photo and they This was. Oklahoma in like August. >> I I first off I was in Catalina when.

Rolling Stone ran that. I literally was. looking at my phone. >> Was it the same time as the lady was. telling you to do the math? Someone was. yelling, "Get your mask." And I was. looking [laughter] at this thing. and it was so weird. I just had a. flashback. I was I was there. Yeah. I. did a gig and like I don't know. It was. the summer. It was like Catalina. But. yeah. Yeah. It was the middle of the. summer and everyone was wearing beanies. and parkas and scarfves and stuff and. Rolling Stone. And that's the problem. The problem is I used to subscribe to. Rolling Stone when I was younger and I.

liked Rolling Stone and I would read. their articles and I would believe. Rolling Stone. And now I don't believe. them anymore. >> Yeah. >> Right. And the real danger is is they. may be right about something, but I'm. still not going to believe it because. it's them. >> Exactly. >> And you may be wrong about something, but I'll believe that you mean it. And. that's all you need. Well, if I am wrong. about something and I find out I'm wrong. about something, I'll tell you I was.

wrong about something and I'll tell you. why I thought differently and what I. learned. I don't think you should be. married to ideas. I think they should. bounce around inside your head and you. should cling on to them if they're. rational and they make sense and if. they've been challenged. But if you. don't want your ideas ever challenged. and they're not ideas, you're you're. basically in a religion. You know. there's also as we go down and talk. about this the sort of. posture that you have that I have in.

terms of your ideas. where. I realize that having like a building. background. my process is constantly saying to. people here's my idea here's what I want. to do with this deck. >> right. >> now tell me why I'm wrong or tell me how. to make it better or give me a better. idea, >> right? >> And and often times people go, "Yeah, why don't you just do it this way. instead of that way?" And I'll go, >> "Oh, that's a good okay, I'll do it.".

And you know, from training and training. with people and and being in that world, it's constantly going, "Is there a. better way to do this?" And someone. goes, "You're doing this, but you should. be doing that, and this is a better. way." And you're receptive. >> to it because you want to get better. You want to get faster. you want. You. know, I was always like, I'm gonna live. in this house, so I'll take any idea. >> anyone has that makes it better because. I own it. You know what I mean?

>> And so your posture is always tell me. what I'm doing wrong, tell me why I'm. wrong, prove me wrong, tell me a way to. do it better. Even in comedy sometimes. people go, you know, you could do it. this way or you could kind of flip it. and start it with this premise and then. make this the button and you go, >> oh yeah, thanks. That's a better way to. deliver it. So you're in a dry sponge. kind of receptive mode all the time. >> Yeah. But if all you had was your ideas.

and you had no other expertise or any. anything you could call your own, then. those ideas you would be very protective. Yes. >> of and they're constantly like circling. the wagons protecting their ideas. whereas you're saying give me a better. idea and tell me why I'm wrong so I can. flourish. Well, it's this is also the. jiu-jitsu philosophy. Um, when you learn.

jiu-jitsu, one thing that you learn is. if you are doing something incorrect. that leaves you vulnerable, you're going. to get caught because other people are. going to know that. And so, someone has. to show you, hey, when you're doing. that, you're reaching with this arm. When you reach with this arm, the guy's. going to get head and arm on you. And. you're like, okay, how should I do this? Keep your arm tucked to your chest and. use the proper technique. If you don't, if you don't listen, if you say, "This. is the way I do it. I'm going to try to. do it." you're just going to keep. getting caught over and over again and. you're not going to advance. So, everybody understands that there's a.

reality to positions and technique. There's a reality and then sometimes new. realities get exposed. So, sometimes. people have been taking the back getting. back mount a very specific way, but then. someone comes up with some new move that. gets you in a leg lock when you go to. take mount and they're like, "Oh, [ __ ]. Okay, well now you can't go that way. anymore." And then we have to break it. down and then we all like try different. things, right? And so that that thing of. not being married to any ideas is a. giant part of the philosophy of. jiu-jitsu because all of a sudden.

there's heel hooks. Oh, I didn't think. of that. You can't stand that way. because then the guy can get you in the. heel hook. Oh, Jesus. Right. >> All right. Let's let's break down the. guard pass now. We're going to have to. do it a different way. And this is a. constant cycle in jiu-jitsu because. jiu-jitsu is never ending. There's new. techniques in jiu-jitsu that are. invented every day. There's things that. people are are trying right now. somewhere in Portland that are going to. make its way onto the national scene. Some guy will have some new way of doing. a choke or some new way of getting a. heel hook and everybody's going to adopt.

it and then everybody has to figure out. the counters to it and then it's so. there's this endless process. So I apply. that to everything. >> Yeah. >> You it's either works or it doesn't. work. It's real or it's not real. And. then the weird ambiguous stuff like how. you feel and how you behave. You have to. take into account who you're talking to. Is this are we are we trying to make. microaggressions punishable by jail time. because someone is so [ __ ] sensitive. because they're crazy and that's going. to be the barometer that everybody or. are we going to say, "Hey, get it.

together and join us. You're going to. have to deal with microaggressions. You're gonna have to deal with you're. gonna have to deal with those. People. deal with those. They're not that big of. a deal." Well, it's sort of. microaggression is sort of like mask up. in between bites. If you put the word. micro in front of aggression, there's no. aggression. >> It's everything. It's looks. The way you. look at me could be a microaggression. It's like it's the dumbest [ __ ] idea. ever. You're just too You're too. sensitive. >> Making everyone safer is hurting them.

Like wiping I was always against the. sterilizing everything like wiping. everything down. Purll. I never used. Purel. I never. >> indulged in any of that stuff. I like. barely used soap. Like I was always. really I always sort of worked in the. dirt. Like I was just in the dirt all. the time. I was. >> in football you're like in the dirt. All. just on your belly all the time. Like. the field's all [ __ ] up and it's half.

of its dirt and you're just on your. belly just breathing dirt. And then in. construction I was like in the in the. dirt all the time. And I started. noticing. everyone was getting sick and having. food allergies and allergic to peanuts. and all this kind of stuff. And none of. the in the dirt guys were ever allergic. Like [laughter]. I' i'd go on so many food runs for the. crew and a construction crew. You just. go, "I'm going on a lunch run." And they. go, "Thanks." And you just leave. They.

don't say, "I'm lactose intolerant or I. have a gluten situation. [laughter] and. I can't use tree nuts. They just you. just go and you bring home a shitload of. Taco Bell or whatever it is and you just. throw it at them and they go, "Thanks, FA." And they just eat because their. immune system is fine. They don't have. any of this stuff. They're not wiping. everything down. And I think. >> everyone has a gut issue now. Like. everyone I know is like, "I can't do. that. There's too much acid in that.

pizza sauce." You know what I [laughter]. mean? I go, "I'll eat it all. Give me. Give me the [ __ ] you can't eat. I'll eat. it, you know. And everyone I know has. got some sort of gut thing, some sort of. head thing, some sort of bowel thing. And I realized they grew up sterile and. and taking antibiotics and wiping. everything down and killing all the. bacteria. >> And their immune system needs something. to push back against. Like your immune. system's got to work out a little bit. It's got to fight something. It's got to.

it's got to it's got to get worked out. And you are, you know, they do those. studies where like Amish kids don't have. hay fever and they don't have peanut. allergies and because they're outside. >> also they're not vaccinated. >> and they're not vaccinated. But people. who have dogs that are outside dogs who. come in are exposed to more stuff and. they get sick much less than just indoor. >> dog people. And so their immune system. is not working out like your immune. system needs to work out like you need.

to work out. Like it needs something to. do and you taking away all the gravity. gives it no workout. It's like being in. the space shuttle and just floating. around. You lose your muscle mass and. you lose bone density. And I think your. ideas are the same way like with. microaggressions and stuff like that. You need some calluses. >> You need a little something built up. You know what I mean? Like a little. intestinal fortitude, a little keep.

walking, a little just mind your P's and. Q's. I'll you know, you need a little of. that. And if you're so vulnerable all. the time, like literally. your gut and your biome and your. bacteria need a workout, but your brain. needs a little workout. like a little. controversy, a little push back, a. little somebody disagreeing with you. And if it's all bubble wrap and Purel. and microaggressions, >> you have no system, you have no way to.

protect yourself. >> It's a really good point about the. diseases about getting sick, about just. your health in general. Like being. sterile and living on a street all the. time, like stepping on concrete, never. being exposed to nature at all. If. you're a total city person, you're. you're probably lacking in a very. crucial vitamin to being a human being, which is our exposure to some kind of. nature. >> Well, and it's always Madison Avenue. who's trying to sell it to the. housewives, right? Cuz they show them.

wiping everything down, right? That's. what a loving mom would do. She would. take Lysol, spray it all over the place, and wipe. It's always them wiping it. down. And then disease is some kind of. weird green animation that's evil, you. know, and then the good mom wipes it. down and cleans and she's always. slathering the kid with something and. it's all the like shampoo and all the. soaps and all the antibacterial. It's. like this huge. >> business of trying to scare the moms.

into buying all this [ __ ] to prove they. love their children and they love. themselves and they've coached everyone. up. Like if I say to people like I'll go. I don't really use soap that much. I GO. OH GROSS. [laughter]. OH DUDE, YUCK. YUCK. And I go I don't I. just rinse off in the shower and then I. I go about my business AND I GO OH AND I. I'LL GO LIKE sometimes I won't shower. for like 3 days AND I'LL GO WHOA GROSS. [laughter]. So gross. Like it's a campaign. It's not. that different than co. Like if you go I.

don't want to wear a mask. They all. >> turn on you because they've all been. sort of programmed. But I'm also the one. who never gets sick and you're the one. who's always taking all your Tums and. all all your myanta and all your stomach. [ __ ] and all that. You're the one who's. taking all that. I never take any of. that. >> Do you work out and then take a shower. after a workout? >> I do the I do the Oh, I try Well, I try. to do the cold plunge, but after the.

fire, the cold plunge. And it's a it's a. long story. So I do the freezing shower. move. I just go in there and do it. Yeah. Like I I don't I don't want to be. gy, you know what I mean? Like I'll I'll. I'll put on some deodorant and you know. that kind of stuff. Like I'm not looking. to offend people on the subway. >> But you don't use soap after a hard. workout. >> I'm not. No. Never use shampoo. Never. use soap. Like if [laughter] you if you. bought me a bottle of shampoo, it would. last like 28 years. Oh, well, um I got.

in the habit of always showering and. washing my skin because of uh jiu-jitsu. You get a lot of um a lot of different. infections like you can get. >> like I've got staff a couple times, I. got ringorm a couple times and it. becomes a problem. >> I I'm not saying outlaw soap. I'm saying. too many people are too sterile. >> Yes. And you're hurting your system by.

being so protective. >> What I was going to say is, so I use. special soap. So I use a soap called. defense soap. And defense soap is like. designed for grapplers. And what it does. is it kills bad bacteria, but it. promotes healthy skin flora. It's all. like eucalyptus oil, a bunch of healthy. stuff for it. Smells good, but it's good. for skin health. So it doesn't torch. your skin. And so one of the dumbest. things that I I know grapplers have. done, they get some sort of an infection. and then what they do is they wash.

themselves with antibiotic soap, right? >> Well, you are just torching all of the. healthy bacteria around your skin and. you're just putting poison all over your. skin, which is an organ. It's a [ __ ]. terrible move. Yes. >> And that when that when guys do that, I've seen it spread. I've seen them get. like ringorm that spreads all over their. chest. It's [ __ ] horrible. Well, I. mean, if you think about how many people. have peanut allergies now versus what we. grew up with, because I've never heard. of a anyone being allergic to peanut.

butter when I was a kid. >> No, I never heard about. >> and now 30% of kids are like allergic to. peanuts and it's because they're not. exposing them. >> to it. It's because we're removing the. peanuts from the house and the airplanes. and everything else. They need to be. exposed as infants. So now the studies. are coming out which is they need. exposure to peanuts not removal. >> of peanuts. One of the funniest. >> kind of nuts that peanuts became toxic. >> I mean if you want to show an example of.

how kooky we've made the world. >> We peanuts used to be everywhere. >> It's funny that peanut butter is like. the only universal food when you're. trying to trap any critter. Like you. just go [laughter] we got a raccoon in. our backyard. get some peanut butter and. put it. We got a rat, we got a mouse, whatever, a lizard. You just go get some. peanut butter. And now humans are the. only creatures that can't eat peanut. butter. The animal kingdom, you can. catch a buffalo with peanut butter.

[laughter]. Every animal on the planet agrees on. peanut butter, but we're removing it. from the classroom. >> That's so funny. And it's so true. Remember they used to hand out peanuts. in airplanes and they stopped doing it. because people got so bad with peanut. allergies that the peanut dust was. dangerous, >> right? And [laughter] so what is going. on in the last 20 minutes? It's not like. human physiology has changed that much. in the last 40 years that everyone is.

allergic to peanuts. Like you are. removing them. We're not building a. tolerance to anything. Our systems are. weakened because you've sterilized. everything in our world. Everything is. sterilized now. And now we're vulnerable. because we didn't build up any immunity. to anything. But I really don't I I do. like when you go to space, they got a. big problem. No gravity, >> right? >> And their bodies wither.

>> Yep. >> And they need to figure out like it like. they agree you need gravity. You need. gravity. in the world of ideas and you need. gravity in the world of your microbiome. and your gut. Like we just as human. beings, we just need gravity everywhere. It's not. >> need some kind of resistance. >> Yeah. You need somebody pushing against. weights. Uh like you need gravity for. your quads and you need them for your. ideas and you need them for your immune.

system. >> Maybe that's the problem with dumb. people. Maybe they're just out of shape. just brainwise. Like they've had they've. never they're just like a couch potato. for the brain. They just never tried to. get it moving. Maybe it's not even that. they're that dumb that they just have. the dumb patterns. >> You know, I don't think obviously I. don't think everyone's a blank slate. I. think some people definitely have. intellectual advantages at a young age. But I I think you know the the amount of. people that just kind of give up and. never put forth any effort at all. It's. a lot, man. It's a lot. Well, it's it's.

you know, I think a lot of it is because. I grew up in a real downtrodden. environment and you just kind of get. broken just like right. >> like I could remember sitting around. watching TV and it's like the Brady. Bunch are going to Hawaii and I'd go. like who goes to Hawaii? How do you even. go to Hawaii? Like how would you get to. Hawaii? Who's who has And then they. check into the hotel and he pulls a. credit card out. Like who's got a credit. card? How would you do this? like that's.

for other people. Like that's that's how. you would look. >> almost every commercial. >> where you'd see somebody successful or a. sitcom or something like that. I would. just go, "Well, that's for other people. That's not for us, >> right?". >> And so you get really like broken and. then you just kind of buy in and then. you go, "Well, this is my lot in life. that's for like other people. >> and and and it's it's it's it like. infects you and it infects whole.

communities, you know what I mean? And. they just go there's nothing better. Like it it's not that we don't know. There's credit cards and big homes and. nice cars. Like I knew about all of it, but it wasn't for me or it wasn't for my. family and it wasn't for my friends. and. you just buy into a system where you go, well, this is it. >> And you do it early and it it's. stifling. I think it's and it's very. difficult to break out unless you find a.

thing that you do. Maybe a sport where. you travel and go to different places. and meet different people. Something it. has to be something you get involved in. something where you tap into a community. of people that think differently. You. you start a band, you know, whatever it. is. find a if you find a thing where. there's a bunch of sort of. forward-minded people that are, you. know, optimistic and have a good work. ethic that's contagious, but if you're. just stuck in your neighborhood with the. same people and the same family members. that have that are real negative, it's.

it's a giant problem because they. program you. Whether you realize it or. not, as much as you want to pretend. you're wholly and entirely independent, no one is. Everyone is at least. partially dependent upon the people they. surround themselves with and the energy. of the people they surround themselves. with. >> Yeah. It's hard. >> Yeah. I remember I said to my mom when I. was like eight, I was like, "Why don't. you get a job?" You know, [laughter and gasps]. >> cuz if you get a job then maybe we could. go to Hawaii with the Bradies, you know,

or we could have a a decent car, like a. something. We could have stuff cuz I. wasn't really thinking about, you know, it's an interesting thing. My whole. life, no one ever said the word career. They said job. You got to get a job. >> Yeah. >> They didn't go career. Yeah. They go. like, "What do you want to do? What are. you good at?" They didn't think in terms. of career. This is you get a job. It. sucks, but you got the weekends, you. know. But I said to my mom, I go, >> "Why don't you get a job?". >> And she goes, "I get a job, I'll lose my.

welfare.". And I was like, "Oh, I guess that yeah, that makes sense." Like that's I was. eight, you know? I was like, "Oh, yeah, that makes sense." And then I realized. the fact that it made sense to me means. I was being sort of indoctrinated. >> into that system. >> It's it's a it's beneficial for really. poor people. It's also a trap. >> Oh, it's it's a free stuff is a gilded. cage, man. It is. It is bad. We had a. free house and welfare and it it was.

stifling. >> Ain't that crazy? >> Yeah, it was. you you're so like like. sometimes people go like why'd you get. into comedy and I'm like I wanted some. air conditioning man you go really I go. yeah it was miserable like it was sucked. I drove a truck it didn't have air. conditioning I live in a crappy. [laughter] apartment didn't have air. conditioning I went to a job site there. was no air and I was in the San Franando. Valley like I was boiling you know so I. did it cuz I wanted air conditioning but.

I had to be miserable like I was I I I. had discomfort. I was not comfortable. I. didn't have air and I wanted air. And so. I I knew to get air, I had to get paid. And so I was I was like motivated to do. stuff. And when you're kind of. comfortable, you're not really that. motivated, right? And I realize like. when you were young, when I was young, like we were like I was probably. confused, but I was hungry. I was like,

I want to get something done. Like I. want to do something. I want to do. something. >> And I I would talk to people like young. dudes, you know, who work for me or. whatever. And I wasn't trying to insult. them, but I was kind of curious. I'd be. like, "You're a 30-year-old dude and. you're just not getting it done. Like. you're I wouldn't say it to him, but I'd. be like, what what are you into?" You. know? And I realized like there was no. fire in the belly. You know what I Like. when you came up. >> when you were younger, like when I met. Jimmy Kimmel, Jimmy was like 26 when I.

met him. It was like he was on it. He. had a motor. Like he wanted to do. something. And I was like, "Good. I want. to do something, too. We'll do it. together." You know, there's like a. fire. And I start talking all these. young dudes and I'm like, "What's up?". You know, they're like, and I go, "What's the deal?" So you got a car and. it's got air conditioning and it runs. and you're not really a car guy. Like. I'm a car guy, but when you're poor and. you're a car guy, it's super. frustrating, right? Because you want.

something cool. Like I wanted a cool. car, but I had to drive a truck with a. lumber rack and a bed box on it because. I'm a carpenter and I can't have a. sports car cuz you can't put plywood in. a sports car, you know? So I would talk. to these young guys and I'd go, "You a. car guy?" And they go, "Nah, I don't. really like I go, "What do you like? Video games, edibles. I like pot video. games and watching stuff on Netflix. And. I go, "You got a big TV?" They go, "Yeah, I got a 70inch TV. I got a Mini. Cooper automatic with air." And I like.

to eat pot, you know. And I'd be like, [laughter]. "You have air conditioning?" They be. like, "Yeah." I'd be like, "Oh, you. don't want anything?". >> They don't want anything. >> You don't want anything? Like I wanted. cool cars with air conditioning in them. And so I was motivated. >> to do stuff. Don't you think that some. people are just internally motivated. anyway because they become curious about. something and they really want to get. good at it? Like that's an inherent part. of being a person. >> I I do. One of the more one of the most.

interesting things and I don't know why. it just stuck with me from years ago, but I was watching one of those like. 2020 shows or 48 hours or something like. that and they were showing guys who. trained dogs like dogs who who sniffed. out gunpowder at the airport or. contraband or whatever, you know. And I. was looking at this thing and I was. thinking to myself, I was like, every. time there's a dog that does something,

sniffs out drugs or explosives or. whatever, they're all different breeds. of dogs, >> right? >> And I was like, why are they all. different breeds of dogs? Like, why. isn't there like one dog that does all. super good at gunpowder and cocaine and. whatever? And in the show, they go, "Well, we just go down to the pound. We. get any dog and we can train them." And. and the and the guy goes, "Well, how do. you know what dog to get?" And they go, "The enthusiastic dog." Like, you go to. the pound, some dog's just sleeping. You.

walk in, it doesn't lift its head. The. other dog's jumping up and down doing. back flips. And they go, "We'll get that. dog. >> cuz that dog's enthusiastic." Now, he. doesn't know anything about gunpowder. >> or cocaine, but he's got a motor and. we're going to teach him. M. >> And I started thinking, "Oh, I know a. lot of people that are like tired pound. dogs.". >> Yes. >> And then I know a lot of people that are. yappy pound dogs. And once you take the.

yappy pound dog like Joe Rogan, you go, "Well, go ahead and get into bow. hunting." And you go, "What does he know. about bow hunting?" It's like nothing. But he's going to find out and he's. going to learn and he's going to. practice because he's got a motor. >> Yeah. And there's a lot of people I know. that are just kind of flatliners and. they don't have that motor. And if you. have the motor, you'll be fine. Well, part of the motor is your physical body. And that's something that a lot of like.

self-professed intellectuals like to. ignore. The amount of energy that you. have to think about things is dependent. upon the amount of energy your whole. system has. A giant part of your system. is your body. And it's not just a vanity. thing. It's a function of it. It if it. works better, you think better. Everything works. I I see it on a. day-to-day basis. If I have a day where. I do not work out, my brain I don't. think as quickly, it doesn't work as. well. I'm more irritable. Um, uh, maybe.

I don't react the same way that I would. if I was more calm and relaxed after a. workout. There's a lot of things going. on where it balances out your mind and. your ability to think. It alleviates. anxiety, lets you think more clearly. And one of the things that writers like. to say, it's one of the, and I was. actually just talking to someone about. this yesterday. Uh, a comic does this. after you write to go for a walk. Go for. a walk and get your blood pumping. And. when you go for a walk, sometimes when.

you're thinking about those ideas, new. ideas will just pop into your head. because it's like the seeds are already. planted. Now go for a walk. You're. watering them. Like it's the whole. system works together. And if you want. to have energy, if you want to have a. motor, well, the the best way to have a. motor is have a physical body that works. well. If your physical body doesn't work. well, you're going to you're tired all. the [ __ ] time. And you could say. it's, "Oh, I'm getting older. I'm. getting this." Like, a lot of it is just. ignoring your physical body for too. long. And it atrophies just like your.

body, everything needs gravity. Well, you need [ __ ] gravity. You need. weights. You need to pick things up and. move them around because if you don't, you can't pick things up and move them. around because your body thinks you. never have to do that. >> I agree. And I also would add, you need. curiosity. >> Yes, >> you're a curious person. And all the. curious people I know are doing just. fine. And then there's people I know, they're just not curious. And that's a. weird gift. I guess it's I I don't know.

how to make someone curious. I I think. as a comedian, you're it's you're sort of curious, you. know, and I could remember. even when I was young, I'd go, "What's. the difference between, you know, why. they call it a sofa or a couch? What's. the difference between a sofa and a. couch or curtains and drapes? Is there a. difference or we just have a different?". And every one of my friends would go, "I. don't know. Shut up. Who cares?" You. know what I mean? And I [laughter]. realized they weren't curious about.

stuff. Like I was constantly. >> being curious. And by the way, your. curiosity is annoying to uncurious. people. >> Mhm. >> Which happens a lot. >> Oh yeah. >> And but if you're curious, it's almost. it's like what you're saying about your. physicality like it'll it'll feed you. >> Yes. you most everything you know is. started in curiosity and wanting to know. about this stuff you know and for other.

people and many people they lack a. curiosity. >> do you think that's inherent or do you. think that is how they grew up. >> I I'm starting to think of nature more. than nurture like I used to be more. nurture than nature I have twins twins. and I have boy girl twins and they're. totally different and and one of them is. that pound dog jumping up and down and.

the other's just sort of uh chillax, you. know, and I didn't make them one way or. the other. They got raised, they got fed. the same thing, they went to the same. schools, they breathe the same air, you. know what I mean? Like they just sort of. were who they who they are. >> Yeah. And I think you can take something. like like a motor that's like a little. too much and and guide it and sort of. nurture it and figure out an outlet for.

it, you know, like a sport or something. And there's things you can do, but like. my sister is totally different than I. am. And I didn't get this way or that. way. My parents didn't instill anything. in me. I didn't didn't guide me. I. didn't have conversations with them. about things. I wasn't exposed to. anything. I was just kind of who I was. >> Well, it makes sense. We see it in. nature, right? We see it in animals for. sure. Like there's a golden retriever,

it's what I have, and then there's a. Belgian melamino. They're two very. different dogs. One of them is a great. family pet and one of them is a meat. missile, right? >> And that's just how they come out of the. box, right? >> And the idea that that wouldn't be the. case with humans is kind of ridiculous. >> I Yes. Why should we? And I know we do. it cuz we're sort of narcissistic and we. have to claim some dominion over things. Like it's kind of religion, you know. what I mean? Like where we had to create. it to go, well, grandpa's in a better. place now and he's been reunited with.

his old golden retriever who died 8. years earlier. And we're just kind of. constructing a thing cuz we need some. control. like we need to feel like not. having control. is really threatening to a lot of. people. >> I don't have that problem. Like I don't. mind not having control. I don't I. realized. I I realized when I'm racing a car and. the car goes out of control, which has.

happened a few times, I sort of just. relax. I don't try to grab and. overcorrect and cuz you'll get in more. trouble. Like there's a a version of. this for sports, there's a version for. life, there's a version for. relationships, there's a version for. driving race cars, but to to sort of. relax like if you can you can see film. of me spinning a 935 backwards in a race. in the middle of the race and you can. see me. I'm not doing anything like I.

will relax in that environment. But. they're people need control. I mean, sort of religious control or like here's. the re here's the way I control my kid. I get him violin lessons and then I take. him to the French tutor and then I take. him to this camp and space camp and that. camp, you know, and they're they're. trying to do something. You have to just. kind of admit they kind of are who they. are. You can't really control it. You. can [ __ ] them up. You can molest them.

and get them, you know, hooked on. Vicodin or something when they're 14. But basically, you're there to be there. and not [ __ ] them up and to offer things. and try to go, you know, if you see your. kid banging on pots and pans all day, you go, "Somebody needs a drum kit cuz I. think this is what I think this is what. your thing is." You know what I mean? And somebody probably should have got a. hold of me and went, "Seems like comedy.

Maybe something you'd like, not swinging. a hammer.". But I figured it out because it was. there. Well, nobody could ever really. give you that advice, honestly. Uh. because the the problem is most people. that aren't involved in it don't even. know where to start, how you would do. it, how difficult it would be, how long. the process is, what is it like to. actually put together an act. >> No, I don't I don't I I don't think your. mom or your dad can craft a good tight. 20 minute set for you. >> No, but I'm saying they never encourage.

you to do it. >> It's very few parents would encourage. their kid to take such a risky approach. to life. >> No, I agree. I think there's a middle. ground where they go, you seem to like. to talk or you seem to like ideas or you. seem to be sort of creative. So, >> ideally, right, but it depends on the. family. Maybe there's it's a family that. doesn't encourage creativity. Maybe the. dad's in finance. Maybe the mom is, you. know, who knows? But maybe they're just. not into risk at all and they just want. you to go to school and get a degree and.

you're just annoying. And then they go, [sighs and gasps] "Maybe we should take. them to a doctor.". >> Yeah. and get him some aderall. >> Get him some something. He can't. concentrate. And. >> all No, I agree. I think I think as a. parent, you're supposed to observe and. you're supposed to look and and the kid. will guide you. They'll they'll have a. propensity. They'll they'll bang on pots. and pans or they'll they'll like sports. or whatever it is. And then your job is. to sort of. >> go that way and help facilitate.

>> that, you know. And and conversely like. I grew up I started playing Pop Warner. football when I was seven. Like I played. tackle football when I was seven and I. played my whole life or my whole you. know until I was you know 19 or. something. And I always was like every. good lesson I ever got was on that. football field man. Like everything I. learned all my whatever success I have I. owe it to that because I got in. intestinal fortitude. I learned a lot of.

tough lessons and how I use that. And so. like I I was like if my son is going to. play football because he's going to. learn all those valuable lessons I've. learned. My son didn't play any. football. Didn't really like it and it. wasn't his thing. And I didn't force him. into it at all. I was just like all the. stuff that I was into. Football, cars, wrenching on cars, race cars, you know, that kind of stuff. swinging a hammer, building architecture. My son's not down. with any of it. And I'm like, fine, but.

you got to find your own thing, but I'm. not gonna try to stuff you into this. thing that's going to make you resent me. later. Yeah, that's not a good move. But. a lot of parents fall down that trap. That's for sure. Yeah. It's just I mean, if you have a child that wants to be a. comedian, it's probably a [ __ ]. terrible feeling. Like, oh my god. Like, what is he trying to do? Like, how do. you even start? What do you do? like get. a degree. Go get a degree. You're going. to get a job. You're going to work in a. respectable position.

>> Anybody try to talk See, >> my thing was no one ever tried to talk. me out of anything because they weren't. trying to talk me into something either. You know, it's like, Adam, you're going. to be a physician. There was like the. thing was you got to leave and get a. job, >> right? >> And then we're done. So, I never had. anyone say it was a hairbrain idea or. it's not going to work because they. didn't care enough to get that involved. It's not like I was going to go into my. dad's unfinished furniture business and. and open that empire. And I don't.

imagine you got a lot of that either. Did you? >> No. >> No. But that's the good thing. I I got. to figure it out on my own. Well, you. know, the the the thing that's kind of. cool about where you landed is it's. organic in the sense that like like I. ran into someone who I went to high. school with and I and I like asked him. what he's doing and he's doing fine. He. goes, I do outdoor signage. I do big. vinyl signs like when the Oscars come to.

town, we print the signs that hang the. whatever. And it's his business. It's. his dad's business. It's their family. business. And I thought, nobody when. they're 15 says, "I'm going to make. vinyl signage." They want to be an. astronaut or baseball player or comedian. or whatever, >> but you're doing it. But is this really. where you belong or is it just because. your dad did it and it's lucrative and. and whatever? And the thing that I'm. happy about, at least as it pertains to.

standup or comedy or whatever, cars or. whatever I'm into. It's all organic, >> right? >> There's no dad was a comedian or dad. raced cars or dad had. >> You're just into cars because you're. into cars. You're into doing a podcast. because you enjoy it. Yeah. >> Right. So, you know, you're where you. should be because you didn't get sort of. artificially. coaxed or pushed into something where. it's just kind of like, yeah, I'm a.

doctor cuz my dad is a doctor or a. lawyer, like whatever that thing is. Like, you can own it 100%. >> Yeah. >> And I think it's fine if your dad's a. lawyer and you become a lawyer and you. take over his practice one day. Like, I. don't that's good. That's successful. You're paying taxes. Good. But I don't. know. Can you ever 100%. really own it? Like you can own. >> maybe you couldn't or I couldn't. But. maybe for some people that's fine, you. know? I don't I don't want to set. >> No, it's definitely it's definitely. fine. And I don't even know if they.

think about it, >> right? You know. >> Well, I know you would. But the thing is. like you have the very fortunate. situation that I have, which is we are. our own boss. And when you are your own. boss, it's infinitely easier. You're. responsible for all the stuff you do. you you know what to do. No one's. telling you what to do or how how to do. it. No one's telling you what to say. You say what you want to say. And that's. very rare. It's very rare and very. fortunate. And I it also is freeing.

because like the aforementioned CNN, Sanjay Gupta, whatever, you're in an. apparatus, >> right? And it's an apparatus where I. don't think people are actually. explicitly told lie. You know, here's. what we're saying. >> But it's sort of like if you worked at a. at a big company and the president was. vegan and you started showing up with a.

ham sandwich for lunch and someone's. like, "Uh, I don't think you should eat. that in front of Gary." He's vegan. Yeah. Okay, well, he doesn't appreciate. You'd go, "Oh, okay." And you would. start getting the idea that this wasn't. a great plan. You know what I mean? And. so would everyone who worked at that. place, right? And then eventually you'd. go, "What's for lunch?" And they'd go, "The veggie lover sub." And you'd go, "Well, what about the roast beef?" And. someone goes, "Listen, man. I'm not.

telling you you can't eat it. I'm saying. it's probably a good idea if you'd like. to grow with this company to just eat. the [ __ ] veggie sub, would you? Especially if Gary comes down here. And. so it's not like anyone, it's not like. the boss showed up and went, you can't. eat chicken anymore. It's unerstood. >> what's going on around there. And if. you're working for CNN and you just walk. in and you go, "Hey, listen. I, you. know, I don't agree with Trump about. everything, but I think he's right about. this Ivormect thing.". >> Right? people would start looking at you.

sideways and you'd get the idea that. maybe you weren't long for that job. And. that's what you got to deal with in any. environment, you know, and the thing. that's nice about creating your own. environment is back to being organic. It's what you believe. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it it may not be 100% accurate. It may not be right all the time, but it. is authentic. But how crazy is it that. authentic is rare? Like that we've made.

it all the way to 2025 with all the. communication we have with the internet. and authentic is still rare. That's. really weird. >> So easy to do. >> I think we're so. [sighs] obsessed with not being cast. out. You know, being cast out is like a. major human. >> thing, you know. And I've I've realized. like I remember I don't I always bring. it up on my podcast. I don't know why, but I I was in Maui and uh with the.

Brady family. I was in Maui, you know, this 10 years ago and I was sitting at a. table having brunch with like a bunch of. nice people we traveled to Maui with. you know, the couples and the kids and. go to the resort and it's the dads and. the moms and there's like 10 adults and. everyone brings their kids and all that. and we're sitting having brunch and. we're like enjoying ourselves and. somehow someone fired up a leaf blower. in the back you know some gardener off.

to the side and it's like ah goddamn. leaf blower can't enjoy our conversation. it's too loud or whatever and I said to. the table I go you know leaf blowers are. illegal in Los Angeles they basically. criminalized leaf blowers in like 96 or. 97 or something, but it's not enforced. at all. And everyone's like, "They're. illegal." And I'm like, "Yeah, the gas. powered ones are illegal." And these. guys up and down my street all day with. these things. I go, "Yeah." They go, "Why don't they enforce them?" I go,

"Well, because it's all Mexicans who. make their living with the leaf blower, and the city council doesn't like the. optics of coming down on the poor. Mexican gardeners who use their leaf. blower." So, it's really illegal, but. the Mexicans use it and they turn the. other way. They turn they look the other. way because they don't like the OB. And. everyone looked at me and went like that. that sounds kind of racist or something. I was like I go, "No, it's just what. happened." And they're like, "I don't. agree. You're saying Mexicans shouldn't.

be and whatever." And the whole table. like turned on me. And I [snorts]. realized, wait a minute, none of you. [ __ ] know anything about this. subject. I know because I read an. article on it. There was literally like. the million man Mexican march. They went. down to city hall. They brought their. leaf blowers and the lily white city. council was like, "We don't like the. optics of busting poor hardworking. Mexican gardeners.". >> I remember all this, >> right? Brian Holtzman had a bit about. it. >> I was telling the table about I wish he.

was with me in Maui. He could have. defended me. But I was sitting there and. I realized like the whole table was. turning on me cuz they were like kind of. white liberal folks. They're my friends. >> and they were turning on me and I. realized I go, "Listen, I maybe you. don't like it. Maybe it sounds racist. I. don't know what you think. I'm just. telling you. leaf blowers are illegal, but they're. used all day every day because the city. won't enforce the law because they don't. like the optics of it." And everyone's.

like having problems with me. And then I. realized I ruined brunch. I ruined. brunch. But I was like, I'm not well. Listen, [ __ ] I'm not backing down. Just I'm not apologizing. I know all. this stuff. What do you want me to say? Sorry you don't like it. But I what I. realized is half the people at the table. were just going along with the other. half. They didn't know anything. >> They didn't know anything about. leafblowers or laws or city council. They just realized that I was the one. being thrown out of the tribe and they.

wanted to stay in the tribe. So, everyone took a subject they didn't know. [ __ ] about and turned on the guy who. knew something about it and said he was. bad and should go out to the cornfield. because they were all, and this is. socially, it's like no one was going to. lose their job. They were just eating. brunch. But it all kicked in. And I. could see like the wives who had no. thoughts about leaf blowers like going, "Yeah, man. I don't agree." And the. chairs are like scooching away from me. and [laughter] stuff. And I thought, "Oh, I'm being thrown out of the tribe.".

And that's when I realized that was just. about leaf blowers and those are my. friends. Now we go to co and it's a real. deal. Now that feeling of not wanting to. be excommunicated. from the tribe and it's so easy to get. everyone to go along with everything. because we have that innate bakedin. human quality of not wanting to be. ostracized and pushed out of the tribe.

And I also started to realize that. you're good at what you do and so you. can say and do what you want. Most. people are mediocre at what they do and. they can't afford to be unpopular. And it was something I I sort of I was. talking to Greg Gutfeld about it some. years ago. I was just doing a podcast.

with him and I was interviewing him and. it started to kind of dawn on me that. like when you're really good and you. could be a really good carpenter. Like. if you're a really master carpenter, you're never out of work. No one gives a. [ __ ] what your thoughts are about. politics or co. You walk around with a. MAGA hat on. It doesn't matter. We need. you. Like you're good. You're skilled. And when you're really good at comedy or. you're good at whatever, you cannot be. thrown out. You can't be squashed. You. can't be silenced. But you got to be.

good. If you're sort of in the middle. and most people are in the middle, it's. a little bit of a popularity contest. Like you got to you better eat vegan. >> And you better say the right things. >> You better put that black square on your. Twitter, >> right? >> Or on your Instagram, >> which I did not do, [laughter] but. >> they told me you got to do it. I'm not. doing it. >> That was so nuts. I was watching people. do it. I was like, what are you doing? >> [snorts]. >> Yeah. And that's. >> I think we're out of coffee,

unfortunately. >> Might be a little bit in there. >> That's all right. I love coffee. Oh, there's plenty in there. >> Yeah, that is a thing that a lot of. people lack in this life. >> Well, it's the problem is is like. if you think you're good and you're not. good, you get smacked down. Like, you. get into trouble, right? So, if you're. not that good and you go, "Screw this. I'm not working for CNN anymore. I'm. going to go do my own podcast." and. you're not that good, then you're in. trouble, right? And if you go, I'm gonna.

blow this taco stand and get out of this. business. I'm going to go do something. I'm going to open a restaurant, but. you're not that good, you'll get into. trouble. And most people are sort of. living in the middle and kind of. fearful. But if you're good and you kind. of own it and you're calibrated and you. know you're good, then you can kind of. say what you want and you can kind of do. what you want, but you you have to be. good. And like all the people that were.

sort of in mainstream media that like. broke out and started doing their own. thing were good. I mean, they they. thought they were good and they thought. they were good enough. When you're in. the middle, it's vulnerable. >> Yeah. You got to kind of watch yourself. and mind your P's and Q's. >> It's also that thing that you were. talking about at the dinner table where. all those other people who didn't know. anything about it were signaling to the. tribe that they were, you know, that. they didn't want to get cast out, >> right?

Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. That's a There are so many cowards. that do that. There's so many people. that are just terrified and they've. don't encounter a lot of difficulty in. their life. a lot of like real. anxietyinducing difficulty. And so when. something does come up that's like that, they just fold. They just want to be. comfortable again. Like what do I have. to do? It's so sad. And it's also people. people in dignity like dignity and. character like character used to be.

something we talked about. We don't. really talk about character. >> anymore. And it's also. people's like their resting state of a. lot of people is weak and kind of like a. little disappointing. And it's it's it's like I think guys. that are have like high character people. and also stoic type people. are kind of really always disappointed.

by people like like you're probably a. pretty stoic guy and you see how people. act and you go oh like. >> like it's sad you know what I mean like. like. >> and it it it sort of. >> I don't know Why? It reminded me, but. when I lived in uh Santa Monica million. years ago, somebody got their purse. stolen out on the street at night. I was. this poor guy living in a rent control. apartment swinging a hammer, you know,

driving a Isuzu trooper. And I was. coming home at night. It was like 9:00. at night. I was just with groceries. I. walked up to my apartment and I heard a. woman screaming out in the street, "He's. got my purse. Like, help." Like just out. in the street. I couldn't really see it. from where I was. So, I just ran out. there cuz a woman was screaming. And I. got there and she said, "The guy stole. my party. Guys, he's got my stuff." You. know, and I just start chasing the guy. just sort of instinctively. I didn't. really think about it. I was just. chasing him. And uh and also like I was.

like, "Well, I box, I play football. Like I felt good. I was in good shape. I. didn't care. I didn't have much to lose. I didn't have anything. So, I just. started chasing him and and a guy was. trying to pick him up in a car cuz they. had like a wheel guy and but I was too. close to the guy and he couldn't get in. the car. I chased him like a couple of. blocks and eventually he just threw the. briefcase or the purse. He just threw it. and he kept running and when he threw. everything down, I just stopped. It was. all scattered around the sidewalk and I. stopped. I started to like put it back.

together and I was like, I I'm not going. to chase the guy. He dropped all the. stuff. And then the woman showed up and. she you started getting her stuff. together. and at some point the neighbor started. filing out onto the street and a a crowd. kind of gathered up and then a cop. pulled up at a certain point and and the. cop was like, "What went on here? What. happened?" And I remember the neighbors, they go, "Well, we heard this woman.

screaming, so we all ran out and chased. the guy." And I was like, "None of you. ran out and chased anybody.". I ran out and chased the guy. He dropped. the stuff. And then 10 minutes later, you guys all came out in your bathroes, but you didn't chase anybody. But then I. realized that's what they want. They. wanted to be that person, but they. weren't that person. So, they created. this scenario where they were that. person and I listened to them all like.

talk to the cops and I just stood there. I didn't say anything. I wanted to hear. what they had to say. And they all told. the same story like when I heard a woman. screaming, I I snapped into action and. ran out. You know, it's like none of you. did any of this cuz I I was there and. and I realized, oh, people have a real. they have a version of themselves that's. in their head and then there's the. version of them that's kind of a lazy. coward and they're busy watching that. film footage of the hero stuff and.

nobody thinks like no one during co said. I'm bad and I'm weak and I'm dumb and. that's why I made fun of Joe Rogan or. whatever. They just go, "I was trying to. do the right thing, trying to save. people. We didn't know." You know, there's always this sort of heroes. reel that's running in their head. It's. not the real one. It's not the one, you. know. It's not the weak, cowardly one. It's the stoic, strong one. It's the one. that heard a damsel in distress and.

snapped into action. Damn the torpedoes. I came running outside to find this guy. and chased him. That's what's in your. head. The reality is is you were looking. out the window and you were scared. >> Yeah. And most people don't really have. any moments like that in their life. where they can go, "Oh, remember that. time that guy had the burst and he ran. down the street and we tackled him? Let's do that again. It's happening. now." Like most people that's never. going to happen. >> No. I I. >> In your safe little life.

>> Yes. But fear is is a crusher. >> Yeah, >> man. I mean, a little bit of fear goes a. long way. >> Yeah. And especially with men, the. desire to inflate their participation in. any heroic act. [laughter]. >> Yeah. >> Men love to pretend they're something. they're not. It's amazing. >> It's sad, Joe. >> It Well, it definitely is, but it's also. a symptom of a lack of being tested. you. know, um the people all the people that.

I know that uh like I always say this. about MMA fighters, they're like the. nicest people you're ever gonna run. into. Oh, for sure. >> Because they don't they don't have to. test themselves with you. They've been. tested constantly. No, there there's. something about the boxer and the. fighter and the those guys that are like. so secure in their. version or vision of themselves that. they're never overcompensating with a. bunch of other horseshit. And I I sort.

of. >> always like those guys and and I've. always found it to be that way like. being in boxing gyms and stuff like the. movie version of the boxing gym is hey. tough guy you know whatever and the. rallies is people are like. >> I could remember like back in the day. like that like the bell you know cuz you. were on a bell and you know the whole. gym was on a bell right three minutes. and then one minute off or whatever like. sometimes. >> you'd go walking up to a heavy bag cuz. you didn't think the guy was on it and.

then some huge dude would come up and. go, "Oh, I'm sorry. I was working on. that bag." And I go, "Oh, okay." And. he'd go, "Sorry, you can get in." And. like it wasn't like, "Hey, bro." You. know, there wasn't any of that. >> It was always really. >> they always seemed like secure and kind. of calm. I mean, it was sort of like a. big dog versus a yappy little dog. You. know what I mean? the big dog sort of. knows and and I appreciate it and I I. like that and I definitely like those. guys and and I I see why.

you like you like those kind of guys cuz. they're just more attractive like. they're just better. And I was going to. tell you that, you know, when people. like there's so many weird soft sort of. dudes like transitioning and all that. [ __ ] and then there's these sort of. carnivore meat lovers, MMA guys going. on. And I I was someone, it was Dr. Drew. Dr. Drew always says to me, "Where.

are we going? What's going on? Where are. we heading as a society? When are we. going to fix this essentially?" And I. just said, "Safe spaces and octagons.". He's like, "What do you mean?" I go, "The [ __ ] safe space people are going. to go further that way." And then. there's a group of people that are. moving to Florida and moving to Texas. and they're going the other direction. Like in LA, when they started pushing electric cars, I started seeing tons of Ram DY pickup. trucks popping up. Like every for every.

one person you push into an electric car. or a Prius, another dude buys a Ram and. puts a gun rack on it. Like like that's. what we're doing. And I don't know how. it's going to end, but I can tell you. we're just going safe spaces and. octagons. It's going to be move out to. Texas and practice MMA with Joe Rogan or. it's going to be move to Seattle and get. your dick cut off [laughter]. and there'll be nothing in between.

[gasps] That's the ultimate civil war. >> Yes. And it's my conclusion that the. safe spaces eventually are going to have. to come to the octagons and go, "We need. protection.". >> Well, like we need you. It's it's a great way to look at the. world right now and it's a it's. certainly a symptom of going one way or. the other and it just but I always. wonder is it the nature of the nurture. thing like is there something wrong with. not just society but also the. environment that we are creating more.

biological organisms that are. susceptible to weakness. You know like not just physical weakness. but emotional and psychological. weakness. Like there's a thing that's. going on that's on top of what's going. on as far as culture and society and. that's like microlastics in people's. diets that are destroying their. endocrine systems. That's all like. trackable. >> like a spork in our brain worth of. plastic right now. >> Doc Dr. Shannis Swan has an amazing book. about it. Uh you should you all should.

read it because it's terrifying. Well, I. I think there's a lot of practical. organic stuff like plastics and. microplastics and stuff like that. >> Environmental toxins, what you were. talking about before about living in. cities, not being encountering nature. >> There's all of that, but there's also. why do you need to be able to fight. anymore? You don't need it. You know. what I mean? Like, like we don't live. Why do you need to be able to lift heavy.

things? You know what I mean? Hey man, if you're a coal miner or you work on a. farm and there's bales of hay and you. got to check, you can't have a wimpy guy. >> throwing bales of hay up under the loft, you know, but everything is computerized. and air conditioned and you're in your. cubicle. Like what do we need you for? >> You know, like what's the necessity? Like why wouldn't we get softer and. weaker? We're not bailing hay and. throwing it up to the barn anymore. We're not mending the fences. Nobody's. having.

wrangle. We don't have to make cabins. You don't. have to chop a tree down and make a. cabin anymore. You go to IKEA and. there's a cabin there you can buy, you. know, made in China. Like we're not. >> Why wouldn't we go this way? >> Well, it's natural. It's a natural. course of progression. Well, when you. look at aliens, they're never jacked, >> right? >> You never see a jacked alien. You see. these these aliens that have no muscle. tone. They have no gender. And that's. where we're headed. But that is a great. name for an energy drink. >> Jack Dillian. [laughter].

>> Joe, if you threw your considerable. weight behind my new product, Jack. [laughter] Alien Monster, Red Bull, kiss. my ass. We would kill it. >> Jack Dalen, we'd be sponsoring X Games. >> Fighters. It'd be in every ring. It'd be. in every octagon. >> We might We might hold this podcast for. a couple days and get a patent on Jacked. Alien. >> Oh, yeah. >> Might have to. Yeah, [laughter]. >> you're going to be the face of Jack. Alien, by the way. >> It's where humanity seems to be heading.

Some sort of genderless direction. Everyone's a giant egghehead, >> right? You don't need to [ __ ] and you. don't need to fight. So, what do we what. do we what do we need all this [ __ ] for? >> If the aliens aren't real, I think. that's what the archite There's an alien. website. >> What is it? >> Oh, really? >> Workout clothes. >> That's hilarious. That's. >> And they make workout clothes. Yeah, that's. >> I'm suing the [ __ ] out of that company, man. >> So funny. >> That's my IP, man. >> Jacked Alien. That's hilarious. Well, we.

just gave him some press. [laughter]. >> Shout out to Jacked Alien. I hope you. got cool [ __ ] Um, but it's we when we. think about what human beings are. eventually going to be, the alien. archetype is what makes the most sense, right? Like genderless, not using their. mouth to talk anymore, giant [ __ ]. heads, no muscle at Why do you need big. biceps to move a joystick or push a. button? >> And the only reason why it's attractive. if you don't need it is like a a. biological reproduction attractiveness,

right? The hips of a girl, the the. waist, the beautiful symmetry of the. face, all that stuff is just biological. reinforcements to get you to breed with. good genetic people. But if all that's. out the window and all breeding is done. through some sort of a computer or. something along those lines, >> but also why do you need any of it if. it's antiquated? You know what I mean? Like if we're just a society of button. pushers, what do you need that big V. strapping dude with big shoulders? >> Depends on what's going on in the in the.

body. Like are you the still do you. still have the same monkey body that you. had 10,000 years ago? because if you do, you're going to need to exercise just. for sanity. And it'll it'll help you to. have all those things. And things like. jiu-jitsu, yeah, you probably don't need. to use jiu-jitsu ever in your life if. you're lucky. But it's a good thing to. learn because it's really [ __ ] hard. to do. I agree. And I think doing things. that are hard to do are good. And I. think doing things that scare you are. good. And I've had a bunch of situations.

in my life where people like people. would say to me all the time, they go, "What made you decide to do Dancing with. the Stars?" And I go, "I didn't decide. to do it." I remember where I was and my. agent called and he said, "They want you. to do Dancing with the the Stars." And. soon as he said that, I felt that weird. fear like remember when you're in junior. high and they're like Johnny Finnegan. wants to meet you by the tunnel after. school and you're like you had that.

moment. remember that weird fear moment. >> and they said do Dancing with the Stars. and I went. >> I felt that weird junior high he's going. to fight you after school like that. weird feeling of fear. >> of making a fool of myself you know and. I felt it. >> and I could have went oh that's lame or. I wouldn't embarrass myself on that show. but I felt fear and soon as I felt fear. I was like I'll do it because I realized.

that everything would be a lie. Like I. could go that's stupid or that's lame or. I don't want to do that. But that. wouldn't be the reason. The reason is is. I was scared. >> I felt scared. I I can't dance. I'm. going to humiliate. >> myself. And you can get like most of the. stuff I've done that has been good. I did a professional Trans Am car race. once and I was just like someone said, "You want to do it?" And I was like,

I'll do it. But it was only because I. was like I I was scared. Like I was. like, what? I felt this moment. I just. went, "Fuck it. I'll do it." And too. many people do way too much like I don't. know. I got to talk to a bunch of people. about it or that's not for me or why. should I? But just start saying yes to. stuff. You get a lot of experience out. of that, especially while you're young. and you don't have any obligations. >> because once those obligations saddle. you down, you got a mortgage and you got. a family and you got obligations and. social commitments. You don't have that.

kind of ability to just go [ __ ] it. >> No, you're right. Like my whole time I. was a carpenter, I remember guys pulling. up in new trucks and I'm driving a piece. of [ __ ] beater and they're like, Adam, why don't you go down to Galpin Ford and. get yourself a new truck? kind of like. cuz then I'd have payments and then I'd. have insurance and then I couldn't go to. the groundlings at night and I could I'd. have to take care of that and I couldn't. work on this. And I felt the same way. with kids and the same way with. everything like I got to.

>> get this going before I get weighed down. with monthly payments and mortgages and. mouths to feed. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's a really important. message to young people because they. think they're going to be young forever. Like, boy, before you start a family, get something going. Just like take your. chances. Now, when you're young and. free, it's like, God, it's an amazing. opportunity. You know, the whole world. is ahead of you. Things can change so. quickly if you work hard and you find a. lane and you really throw yourself into.

it. But if you don't, time goes by quick. and next thing you know, you're 30. Next. thing you know, you're 35 and like, I'm. going to get it together this year. And. you never do. Yeah. You gotta make hay while the sun. shines. >> And with that, Adam Corolla, ladies and. gentlemen. >> Thanks, Joe. >> Thank you, brother. It was fun. Let's do. it again real soon. All right. Yeah. Bye, everybody. [music].