Joe Rogan Experience #2402 - Miranda Lambert

Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. The Joe. Rogan experience. TRAIN BY DAY, JOE. ROGAN PODCAST BY NIGHT. ALL DAY. MY DESK IS a mess. My desk is a mess cuz my mind is a mess. I wish my mind was. >> You're a creative. That's how it works. Is that how it works? Yeah, I think so. Is that the excuse we use? >> to make myself feel better. I think that's the excuse we use for. each other. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a creative. It's a It's. my go-to default uh Is the compression.

on? Something sounds weird. Yeah. Oh, it's just really loud. Something. happened Maybe my ears got better? What. happened? You can hear now? My ears aren't very good. Sometimes I. you know, when I'm underwater for too. long or I swim or something like that, then I forget that my ears have water in. them and then they come out like, "Oh, there's that moment where like, Oh, this. is how I hear.". >> [sighs]. >> I feel like I have the in-ear monitors. for my job. Oh, right. I still like I've. been using them for I don't know 20.

years and I'm still not used to them. Like I. come from like honky-tonk world where. you can. hear everything. Yeah. >> room. Well, it's so good that people. have them now cuz boy, so many people I. know from back in the day are almost. deaf. >> Oh, yeah. We I'm so glad we have them. It's not the same. I mean, it you don't. feel the energy of the room, but it. saved your hearing. It's. [snorts and laughter] a good trade-off. I mean, you can hear enough. It's a good. trade-off. And so many of my friends who. shoot guns, too, same thing. Yeah. You.

know, they started hunting when they. were kids and no ear protection back. then and you know, you you say something. to them and they're like, "What?" Like. they're all they're all half deaf. >> Yeah. My dad was a police officer and um. he's. I swear that's why my parents are still. married cuz he. >> [laughter]. >> can't hear at all. And the dog ate his hearing aid. He. never replaced it and I'm like, "Is that. on purpose, Dad?" That's [laughter]. hilarious. That's hilarious. Yeah, you. definitely develop an ability to shut. things off. Yeah. Otherwise. Cuz men and. women think and communicate differently.

and if you want your wife to communicate. with you the way your buddies do, then. well, you married a dude. Yeah. Okay? So. if you want to be married to a woman, You have to listen. you have to like. listen and everything. >> ears. >> And sometimes it's like. round about [laughter]. journey to get to the point and you. can't go, "What the [ __ ] are you talking. about?" Cuz then they're like, "What? Oh. my god, why are you so hostile?" So you. have to go, "Okay. Okay." Selective. hearing. >> Yeah, selective hearing. But my husband. will like I'll say it and I'll be like, "Say it back to me.".

>> [laughter]. >> And like and I found that when I do. that, it's worse cuz I'm like I'm like, "Say say what I said back to you. Get. bananas [snorts] at the store." So he. comes home, I'm like, "Where's bananas?". "I didn't get any.". >> [laughter]. >> So don't repeat it. Just hold it in. there. That's hilarious. He blocked it out for. himself. >> Yeah, exactly. [snorts] That's very. funny. Yeah. The the hearing thing the. hearing thing is kind of nuts that no. one knew. Like it it just makes you. wonder like when did people when I. wonder when people were aware that like.

loud music was going to kill your. hearing? I don't know. Like. I just I mean, I've I've had the in-ears. for a long time and they did save all of. our ears, but it's like. I think that and then like the longer. you go like still even though I have. those like I turn them up way too loud. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, do you? I'm like missing Right. the. energy. You ever just say, "Fuck it to. this show?". >> out. Like sometimes when it's like a. house band, you just get to use wedges. I'm like, "Yes, this is amazing.". >> What's a wedge? It's just like the. little on-stage monitor. Oh.

>> what I mean? So but it's just so loud. I. mean, it's so loud and um I also do uh I. do mounted shooting. And so I saw that. That's crazy. >> And so it's a good reminder. Like the. first time I took off on the first I. just started last year. I'm not good at. all, but I love it. And I took off on my. horse and I forgot to wear earplugs and. I was like, "Well, I'm a musician. I should probably plug. my ears when I'm shooting a revolver off. of a. >> [laughter]. >> horse.". Yeah, but it's Is it a revolver using a.

regular bullet? >> Mhm. No? It's black powder. Just the. powder itself? Yep. And it's spectator. safe, horse safe. >> So it just sprays. >> Sprays powder. >> powder and air at the balloon. And it. pops balloons. >> Yeah. At what how what distance? Um it. can shoot I think 15 yards? >> feet. >> feet. Oh, okay. So you're just riding. around the horse popping balloons. >> Uh-huh. I love it. >> [laughter]. >> I do. What was the origin of that sport? >> I don't know, actually. One of my best.

friends, her name is Kenda Lonsdale and. she uh lives out in Scottsdale. She's. like the tin town world champion and. Whoa, whoa, hold on. There's a world. championship of popping balloons on a. horse? >> Yeah, it's called mounted shooting and. cowboy mounted shooting, but she's. cowgirl and she's like guys, girls, everybody. She's a badass. And. uh I became friends with her and I just. never had the guts to go do it, you. know? And finally my husband was like, "Stop. talking about it and go out there and do. it. Go out there and shoot with her. You're going to love it." Wow. >> And I got addicted immediately. It's. just like something different. Well,

it's very wild west, right? It's. essentially training how to fight with a. gun on a horse. >> Yeah. That's all it is. >> Except it's the balloon as the Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> But I mean, it's that's how you would. train, right? Without killing people. And it's like, you know, just something. that like started a new hobby at. 40. Like it's just try to like. preoccupy my mind and and. I don't know. I think it inspires me to. like take a break from thinking about. what I think about every single day, which is music industry, you know? So.

just like trying new things and. saying what the hell, let's go for it. >> I think that's very good for artists. I. I try to talk to comedians about that. all the time. I'm like, "Forget you. Pick up something, man. Take. Play golf, go fishing, do something.". For me, I play pool. Do something. You. have to do something. >> Oh. I'm in my try new things era. There. you go. >> [laughter]. >> You You try new things era. >> Yes, my my yes era. Like, "Sure, I'll do. it." Uh started golf, not too great yet, but I did I just played the Ryder Cup. Oh, nice.

>> They had like a celebrity So many heard. I played golf and I when they heard that. I'd literally started like that day. Jamie's a nut. Jamie's a full-on golf. nut. Literally. was like cramming my ass off like this. September because I was on tour all. summer and I didn't have time to. practice. And you know how that feels? Like golf is you have to practice. And. >> Do you have a coach? I had a coach, yes. Dan, I have a coach and he came with me. as my caddy. Very helpful. Um but it was it was an experience. It. was a lot of pressure.

>> [laughter]. >> Did you feel it even though like nobody. expected you to win? >> I mean, I just felt like what what what. the hell have I done when I got there? It's like playing so doing something you. don't do in front of people. Right. But. you do it. You just don't do it a lot. >> Yeah, and I don't I do things in front. of people, but it's singing. You do. things in front of people and you're. really good at it. That's the. difference. >> same doing something that you suck at in. front of people is a very scary place to. be. Right. [laughter]. Right. Jamie has O.J. Simpson's golf clubs. No, a couple of them.

Not all of them I have for you. How many. do you have? >> [laughter]. >> It's not really awesome at all. Well, I. mean, whatever you're into. A couple of dri-. How many you got? Three? Uh no, I mean, I got a whole little set. But. >> Do you use them? I have used one of. them. >> Did is Did you hit well? I have. That's. why I use it. >> [laughter]. >> Why are they blister cards? I don't. know. I mean, well, he bought it as a. goof, you know? >> fun to talk about. It's a fun Just one. of those things. Conversation starter. >> It came up. Was it Did you get them. after he died? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I. mean, I got them like 6 months ago. >> Yeah.

I forgot. I forgot when he died. Uh a. couple years ago. Well, [snorts] that's. cool. I mean, hey. All right. I guess. But it is really. important having some kind of a thing. that you do to take your mind off of the. business cuz the people that I know. where their mind is only on show. business, whatever it is, music, comedy, whatever it is, they go crazy. You You. can eventually get lost in your own. little world. Like you need a little. break. You do. And I I think it's like. you know, especially if you're like a. writer, like you got to go live to write. about it. Mhm. Or what are you writing.

about? Same [ __ ] you already said, you. know? >> Right. Right. >> It's like I need to go live a life and. gather information and be around. different people and. >> Yeah. >> sort of open my circle up to just. I don't know. Yeah, different environment. >> My friend Ari does that. He disappears. for like 3 months every year and a half. or so. Like he gets rid of his phone, gets rid of his email. >> goes off grid. >> Oh, he goes off grid. He goes to Asia. He backpacks through Asia and he's. famous. He's a famous comedian and he doesn't.

give a [ __ ] He just goes and vanishes. for like We can't find him. No one knows. where he is. I don't hear from him for. like 3 4 months. I just hope he's alive. >> Does it change him? Oh, yeah. He comes. back weird. He's weird already. He's. weird as [ __ ] He's weirder when he. comes back cuz he's you know, been. living in foreign countries for you. know, a long time. Well, I'm not I mean, I'm just shooting balloons and swinging. a golf club. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, but nothing that's cool as that. But the thing you're doing um the thing. about both of those things is they. require all of your focus while you're.

doing. I mean, if you're riding a giant. animal while you're shooting a gun, like. there's no room for thinking about, "Oh, I got to do laundry." You know, there's. no room You just You're just doing that. thing only. >> Yeah. That's what that's what I think I. loved about it and got addicted to. You know? And I guess I don't really. have I always say I don't have like an. adrenaline junkie in me, but I guess I'd. have to have a little bit for joining. the circus like [laughter] I did. You know? Like. >> [gasps]. >> Yes, you do. It's kind of joining the. circus. Yeah, so but like I think that.

just that little that the focus and the. little jolt that you get of like. you know, the the same kind of high we. get like after a show, you know? It's. like I still guess I need that, but just. in a different form. Yeah, joining the. rodeo. There's There's something about shooting. at things, too. I do archery and there's. something about shooting at things that. also just really cleans your mind. because in that moment while you're. pulling a trigger, there's no room for. anything else. If you're trying to hit a. target, there's no room for anything.

else. And it just it pushes all that. stuff away. It gives you like a little. little mental vacation. Yeah. 100%. >> And then you come back like cleaner. What kind of bow are you shooting? I. shoot a compound bow. >> Compound bow. Yeah. >> [clears throat]. >> A Hoyt. Yeah. Yeah. I used to shoot. bows. I haven't in a long time, but Oh, really? I I got them back out during. 2020 when I had all the time in the. world and um my husband's from New York. City, so I was like, I got these bows. I'll teach you how to shoot a bow. So, we set up the targets and got them all. fixed up and it was fun. I mean, it is. fun. It's the same thing I think you're.

talking about. >> similar. >> It's just even if it's just for a little. while, it's that little moment in time. that this is all I'm doing right now. Right. Have you ever bow hunted? I used. to be a hunter. Yeah. Yeah? Yeah, I did. I hunted for a long time. My dad Tree. stand? Yep. Okay. >> blind, either way. Right. Um bow hunting. was my absolute favorite to to do. because it took the focus and it was. intimate. >> Yeah. And it took a lot of skill and. practice. Certainly bow hunting. >> you're going to Yeah. Um Whitetail? Whitetail. Oh, nice. But I.

raised a baby deer, a buck. >> Aw, that's a problem. Yep. >> [laughter]. >> That's a problem. >> So, my hunting days are behind me. Peace on my heart. >> We found a buck with a broken leg on our. property and my wife took to feeding it. Yeah. >> And uh all of her enthusiasm for me. hunting kind of went out the window. >> things. Yeah, because. it's kind of like a dog. Like they're. they're. >> was just like a dog. Like. >> They're they're sweet. They come right. up to you. Yeah.

>> Wild ass whitetail deer like became like. my pet. And it's different than any. other feral animal in that they. domesticate like that. They really do. Like he was literally I'd come home and. he would run over to me like a dog. Like. >> Mhm. So, definitely changed my mind. Well, [laughter] I think it's because. they're dumb. Unfortunately. I think nature has them. set up to be not very intelligent and. just food. Yeah. You know, and he's a. beautiful food thing.

>> Yeah. That's really what they are. >> Yeah, my dad my dad, you know, I grew up. hunting with him like taught me how to. shoot a gun and all that stuff at 17 and. when I raised that buck, he was like, it's over, isn't it? >> Yeah, it's over. >> It's over. It's [laughter] over. Yeah, I'll never raise a baby elk. I'll tell. you that. >> Yeah, don't do it. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. But I I get it. I mean, we have. deer in our neighborhood and I see these. little cute babies that are born every. year and you know, we stop the car. Oh. my god. Especially in Texas, they're. everywhere. Everywhere. Yeah. Yep. And.

there's not any predators out here cuz. you just shoot them. Yeah. So, there's. like these deer are all over the place. and they're just super unless they get. hit by a car. I don't know what happens. >> They're pretty they're like not. affected. Yeah. Anymore. No. No. But. they are beautiful. And it's just it's. cool to have animals around. Just it's. cool to be at least in some kind of form. of nature. Yeah, I'm I'm such an animal. lover. I'm. I mean, I I don't. do well. Like I That's why I brought. your dog toys. I'm like, I just I just.

I don't know. It's part of like who I am. is to have especially dogs. Like that's. my my heart, but Me, too. I have a. foundation called Mutt Nation. Foundation. I started with my mom in. 2009 and. so far we've raised over $11 million. since then for It was like a little mom. and pop operation back in the day, but. um but we just it just has been my heart. since I was a little girl. I think. growing up in the country where there's. just animals everywhere, whether it's. deer or stray dogs or stray cats or. whatever. I think it just kind of.

prepped me for, you know, when when you. like get a platform and someone's like, what do you want your charity to be? It's like, oh, I know what it's going to. be. So, what does your charity do? We. rescue Well, we advocate for rescue. Um. Mutt Nation Foundation, we don't have. shelters. We lift up the arms of. shelters is what we say because we my. mom and dad were private investigators. my whole life and so my mom like just. because we started rescuing dogs just. when I was a little girl, you know, you. live in the country, people dump them. off and whatever. Started adopting some.

from the shelter as a teenager and. volunteering and. so, you know, she's sort of started. vetting shelters. just because that's her background, you. know, checking up on people, make sure. they're doing what they're supposed to. And um and so like 2009 it was like, oh, I kind of started to get a name for. myself and. you need to pick something that you're. passionate about that you want to give. back to. So, we started it um. and basically we advocate for spay and. neuter. We advocate for adopt don't shop. and we um raise money to give to. shelters all over the country. Every.

year we give a $5,000 grant to a shelter. in every state. Um and try to not. repeat. So, there's just so many that. need. help, you know, and there's so many. amazing animals out there. We just try. to remind people. there's amazing animals out there that. you don't have to go buy one. There's If. my my wife is allergic and one of my. daughters are allergic. We still have. two dogs, but if I if that wasn't the. case, I'd have like 50 dogs. I I can't.

have But are yours are not non-shedders? What's that? >> Yours are shedders, though, right? >> Yeah, they shed. Yeah. They you know, you just keep them clean. She's not not. nearly as bad as when I first met her. When I first met her, she really would. get like hives if she pet the dogs, but. also. I was not that good at washing my dogs. and they were always in the yard playing. around and they were always dirty. Yep. But if you don't have dogs dogs are like. extra love. You have your love in your. life will be whatever the level's at. now, it'll be like 35% higher.

>> 100% agree. For sure. >> I'm allergic to everything I love. Horses, cats, dogs. >> to horses? >> All of it. I just live I live like I. live on Allegra. Wow, that's crazy. >> Allegra to enjoy my life, but I don't. care. It's worth it. One of my daughters. is so allergic that we went to Rome once. and um we were on this horse driven the. they have like these tourist things you. do. You sit in the back of a wagon, the. horse drags around the city. And just. being downwind of the horse, her eyes. were swelling up. We had to get out off.

the horse and walk the rest of the way. Then we had to find a pharmacy. >> Oh, it was bad. She's she's got it bad. Did she do shots or anything? She did. that. She did the whole thing, but they. hated it, you know? And when my wife. stopped doing shots, then all of her. allergies got way better. And she was. doing shots because Texas has a lot of. allergens, you know? A lot of people. that come from places like California, you don't realize it. You come here and. then you get whammied with like. >> I was sneezing all the way over here cuz. I just landed. Oh,

>> [laughter]. >> you get you get you get them, too? You. get them, too? I just like I live in. Nashville half the time and and Austin. half the time and I. it's like the two two of the worst. places for allergies. I'm like Oh, are. they really? >> Yeah, doesn't matter. I mean. >> I didn't know that Austin was that bad. and I didn't get them at all until. really probably last year I started. getting How long have y'all been here? Five years. Almost six. So, like uh no, five. So, like uh last. year I started getting sore throats and. I was like, am I getting sick? What the. [ __ ] is going on? Then I went to Vegas. for the UFC, no sore throats. I was.

like, came back, sore throat again. I'm like, oh, damn it. It's allergy. It's an irritation cuz it didn't make. any sense. I was like, I feel good. I. feel like really healthy, but like this. hour this thing in my throat's bugging. me. I'm like, maybe I just got to be. careful. Maybe I'm fighting off a cold. cuz I didn't want to admit it. I was. like, everybody else is getting. allergies. I'm not getting them. Well, it makes sense if you're like not used. to the the trees and the grass here. I. mean, it's like it's a whole new. like ecosystem that you have to get used. to. But the weird thing they say it.

takes like 3 years before it hits you. And I was like, shut up. That doesn't. make any sense. But it's true. >> Yeah, it's true. Seems to be true. Seems to get you after like 3 years. >> do you do about it? Nothing. Just deal. with it. [laughter]. I figure my body's going to adapt. I. feel like if I just like let my body. deal with whatever these allergens are. and understand what they are, it'll. figure it out. I take a lot of vitamins. It'll be fine. Yeah. And it seems to be. better. Like this year I got like a. couple sniffles few days in a row where. I was like thinking I had a cold and. then I realized it was.

high something, mold or [ __ ] cedar or. whatever the hell it is. You just didn't. have to pay attention to it before. Yeah, I guess. But whatever that is, all. the positives about living here like. greatly outweigh it. Yeah, I love it, too. This place rules. It does. I'm glad. y'all are here. You came in 2020, then, right? Yeah. >> Yep. Yeah. Yeah, my little brother lives. here and his husband Mark and he went to. UT. and never came home. Our little town. Lindale, Texas representing today. Nice. It's about 80 miles east of Dallas. And.

so, I bought a place here in 2017 and. spend a lot of time in Austin. It's. great. It's great town. I mean, we. should probably stop talking about how. great it is cuz people want to move. here. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, it's not that great. There's a lot. of allergies, guys. >> Yeah, guys, stay home. Don't sneeze. I. talked a lot of people into moving here. and I think I'm done talking to people. It's like, we're good. Well, Nashville's. our other city that's that's happening. to, but you know, >> Sure. the more the merrier, really. Well, the thing about Austin is like. wasn't really much of a comedy scene.

There was one comedy club that closed. before I moved here. It it had already. closed like before the pandemic and or I. guess like at the beginning of the. pandemic it went under. And so, the. comedy scene here was kind of empty. And. you know, when we moved here and we. started doing shows here, it was one of. the only places in the country we could. do live indoor shows. And we were like, [ __ ] it. And then comedians just started. moving here. >> Yeah. Cuz they were convinced that LA. was never going to open. And once I was. here and Ron White was here, Tony. Hinchcliffe was here,

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QR code on screen or by clicking the. link in the description. Yeah. That's great. I I. My first show back, um I think it was. after like 332 days. Whoa. >> Of no. shows, no bus rides. It was. crazy. >> Billy Bob's in Fort Worth, cuz like you. said, Texas was like what COVID? >> [laughter]. >> All right, we're going to go do stuff. We're going to honky-tonk right now. Yeah. So, it was we did a little. residency at Billy Bob's. Nice. We did.

five shows. And I mean, I had COVID. >> Yeah. I mean, but I had it before. I had. I had I had it before we even knew what. it was, cuz I was on the road. Like, I. was around so many people. I was on. tour. And before we knew it it was, I had this. thing like none of my tricks worked. with. Like all my singer tricks, like. steroid shot, B12, IV, vocal rest, like. just couldn't shake it. And then, a. month later, it's like, oh, that's cuz. it's something real bad. >> [laughter]. >> we've never heard of.

I had to cancel shows, it was terrible. But, the show first show back was I had. five in a row, but the first one was. like. just rowdy and like so old-school. honky-tonk feeling and like I was. crying. It was just It was a cool. moment. >> Yeah, it felt It feels weird, right? It. was good to miss it, though. Yeah, that's true. >> It was really good to miss it. I. you know, I never had a chance to. I. never stop. Country music especially, like we just don't we just tour. year-round, weekend warriors, make a. record, tour it for 2 years, do it.

again, repeat, rinse, repeat. And I've. been doing this since I was 17. So, like. just years and years of not. knowing if I could miss it. Just, you. know, grinding. And. I did. I mean, I was like, dang, I. I miss my bus. I miss the road, which. I wasn't sure would happen. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, I mean, it's so. grating. >> It is. It's hard. And so, uh yeah, I was. I was happy to be back, but um but now. it's back. harder than ever. It's like just, you.

know, it's a it's a different It hits. different after 40. >> [laughter]. >> You don't recover as quickly. Do you Do. you ever like carve out vacation times? Like say like for the month of December, I'm not doing [ __ ] Yeah, that's the. winter. Like last year, I went to. Arizona. I went to to Phoenix area and. rode with all those cowgirls shooting. guns on horses, and I was like and I was. just so rejuvenated and refreshed, and I. was like, I need to. make that a priority. Like, I just think.

none of us are good at that. If you're. really driven. and really goal-oriented and like you. are, I mean, I have to like make myself. And then, I'll go and say, well, they're working. me to death. They is me. I'm the one. adding [ __ ] to my calendar. >> [laughter]. >> That is me. My husband's like, you said. you were going to be off this week. Well, I had this one It's like So, I. really am making like the priority like. take some winter months and. you know, cuz we start touring in the. spring and don't stop till the winter. again. So, I feel like it's, you know,

it's important. It's intelligent, right? It's an intelligent thing to do, to give. yourself a. a forced vacation, some sort of a break. So, that just think think of your. creativity as like a battery. You can't. run your phone until it's got zero. You. got to charge it. So, stick it in the. cable, put it in the wall, let it charge. for a little while. Like, you got to. think about it that way, I guess. What do you do for your chill time? I don't do a lot of chilling. Well, I. don't That is the thing.

>> do other [laughter] stuff. Same. I was like, I feel like you're. you're preaching to the choir over here. Yeah, [laughter] I mean, I watch TV. I. like to watch like documentaries and. stuff, and I watch fights, and I watch. YouTube videos, but. I I can't do it much, or I just don't. like that feeling. I feel like I'm. wasting time. So, I have to keep myself. occupied. >> You do other things. But, well, that's. the thing. It's like I'm not just, you. know, going out there to chill out on. the couch. I'm like I'm in the desert.

doing something physical. Also, like. musicians are like our life isn't that. physical. Like, we don't it's kind of a. as far as like activity. Like, we If. we're writing songs, we're sitting. around writing songs. We're sitting. around practicing. We're standing there, you know, until the show part. So, like. I have to make sure I like my hobbies. should be active. Yeah. >> You know? Sure. Just And also, do. something that like. active stuff stimulates your mind more. And I think active stuff will probably.

aid in your writing more, right? >> for sure. Yeah. I think so. It has to. I. mean, it just makes sense. Yeah. It's. when you when you sit down to Do you. like sit down and write in front of a. computer? Do you wait till an idea comes. to you? Do you write on a piece of. paper? How do you. All of it. Um. usually like I love to co-write. Writing. by myself, I'm not good at it. I. encourage it for any artists I'm. mentoring or anything else, but I need.

to do it myself more. Um. cuz co-writing's fun. You're like. hanging around with Which I met you. actually at one of my favorite writers. uh benefit, Jack Ingram. Um him and John. Randall, my other best friend, and I we. Which I think you met him, too. We uh. we have a little side project we call. the Marfa Tapes, and we'd go out to the. desert in Marfa, and which is Have you. been there yet? No, I haven't. >> It is like a different world. >> That's what Rick Rubin says. It is a. different literal different world. And. it They're so like it's it's magical. I.

don't know what's in the air out there, but How far is the drive? Like 5 hours. from here? >> about 6 and 1/2. 6 and 1/2. >> Is that coffee? Yeah, you want some? Yeah. Um anyway, like we'll sit around. and. JR is amazing guitar. >> Cheers. player. Cheers. Thank you. He'll come up with like a. riff, or somebody has a title. That's. how I like co-writing. I don't know, it's more fun to celebrate it with your. friends, you know what I mean? >> Yeah, for sure. I mean, some of the best. ideas that comedians ever come up with, we come up with in the green room, cuz. we're just riffing.

>> Yeah. Like, there's always a moment. where like, you know, we're hanging. around, and Tony will say something. where like, dude, write that down. Write. that down. >> It's exact same thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like. you know, creativity is interesting, because. you you you want to be inspired, and. you're never more inspired than you are. around other creative people. >> Yeah. Especially people that are better than. you. Yeah, for sure, [laughter] right? Yeah. >> It's like I'm like, oh, you're a really. great writer and great musician. We. should be friends. >> [laughter].

>> I need to learn from you, and you make. me look cool. Yeah, and it. kicks up your desire to do better a. notch. Yeah, especially like, too, I've. been working with. younger artists, and I love seeing their. fire. Like, they're. like race horses at the gate, you know. what I mean? And I And it reminds me of. how that felt. And reminds me to find my. moments where I feel that way, too. >> Mhm. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I I feel. the same way about working with young. comedians. It's important. It's good. It's also It's like great to see the.

sparkle in their eye when they do like. their first big crowd. You know, like. like, come on, man. It's just like a. regular club. Go out there. Give me some. knuckles. Right. And you see him watch. him kill in front of thousands of. people, and they come back like, whoa. And you're like, uh-oh. Now Now you got. the bug. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, now you got Well, they had the bug. already, but it's like you get to feel. it I get to feel it again for the first. time. I've done it so many times, it's. almost kind of normal, which it never. should be normal, you know? And you get. to see somebody else experience like the. jolt of like what it feels like that.

spotlight in your face and all those. people in the crowd. And it's exciting. >> It is. And it's good It's like It's a. reminder, you know? I think it's so. important. Um Do people like. Do people ask you this? Like, do Do you. get nervous? Like, I get uh. I don't get nervous. Like, I get um. anticipation. Yeah, that's a great word. I don't know I'm going to start saying. that, cuz I was like, I don't really. have an answer, cuz I care. And I want. to do well, and I get like this It's. anticipation. It's not nerves, per se. I.

think once you stop feeling something, really you're doing the wrong thing. No matter what it is. I'm sure you feel. that whenever you get on one of those. horses with a gun in your hand. >> Yeah, I haven't [laughter] stopped feeling. anything yet. >> [laughter]. >> I I'm still feeling all those feels for. a while. I'm sure. I don't know if. that'll ever go away, right? Because, you know, you're not in control of the. horse, and it's. >> No, it's not up to you. And I think. that's why I like it. It's cuz. I I've grown to [snorts] trust me in my.

gig. Like, I trust me. I trust my band. But, mostly it's up to me. Like, I'm the. one standing there in front of a. microphone. And I know. my capabilities, and I know I what I can. deliver. On a a like golf, I'm like, I don't know. what hell's about to happen when I swing. this club. >> [laughter]. >> This is not up to me. Right. This little. son of a [ __ ] isn't moving and I can't. hit it. [laughter]. It's just like, I don't know. And the. same thing with the horse, it's like up.

to my horse, not it's not up to me, you. know? I can aim and I can have the skill. and be learning how to ride, but it's. about him, you know? Yeah, for sure. >> my shooting horse. >> That's his name? >> Yeah. With a K or a C? >> It's a C, he's cool. [laughter]. That's a great Morris Day and the Time. song. Yeah. You never heard that song? Cool. Oh, it's a great song. >> to hear it. We have a theme song and I. didn't know it. Yeah, we'll give her. some of that. We'll have to cut this. out, otherwise we'll get removed from. YouTube, but play Morris Day and the. Time, Cool. This is like during the Prince days.

Morris Day and the Time, I think, is. like one of the most underappreciated. bands from that era, from like the early. '90s, because they got kind of eclipsed. by Prince. >> Yeah. You know, because they were. hanging around with Prince and they were. part of like the whole Prince I don't. know anything You don't know what Morris. Day and the Time? >> Oh my god. Play [snorts] Cool by Morris Day and the. Times. I'm making sure it's the right. one. I got a version that says it's just. Morris Day and then another version. popped up that said it was just the.

Time. So, let me go to Either way, it's. always going to be Morris Day singing. I. don't think the Time ever played without. Morris. Morris is cool as [ __ ] though. Here it is. All right, we'll edit this out. For. people at home, sorry, go find this. Bad. like me. >> That's awesome. Look at that. Look at. the clothes. >> Oh, it's so corny. It's so great. It's. so like What year is that like? God, I. don't know. It's got to be early '90s, right? '91? >> NO, '81. >> '81? DANG. >> WOW. [clears throat]. I WASN'T EVEN BORN on the earth. Oh,

that's crazy. 1981, wow. I was a. freshman in high school. I'm a '83 baby. Yeah, I was in my junior year or. sophomore. Yeah, I was a freshman in. high school back then. That's crazy. Wow. It was a weird time back then. because Prince was so big that there was. like a bunch of fake Princes, like. people started imitating Prince. It's. almost like a lot of. >> It's always what happens. >> Mhm. Yeah, men become androgynous. There's one and then they're like, oh,

let's all be like that one. So, there's. 20 more that aren't as good. >> I know. Yeah, there's a bunch of fake. Michael Jackson's, I'm sure. There was a. bunch of people that just tried to do. something. Like, what is he how what. type of guy doing, you know? And with. Prince, it was like, what is this what's. happening here? Very, like very uniquely. authentic. Yeah. >> Authentically himself. Like, so, even. that was like trying to be too close, probably. A little bit. >> what I mean? >> Yeah, not as good. That's the problem. You're not as good as Prince. You're.

awesome, you're great, [laughter]. but you're Prince is like a. once-in-a-generation. superstar weirdo talent from Mars. >> Exactly. There are those. There's some. that just aren't from here. Yeah. Right? >> That guy was just different than. everybody, you know? I remember I was. delivering newspapers when I first heard. a Prince song and I was like, this is. crazy. Like, who is this guy? It was a I Want to Be Your Lover, do you. remember that? >> Yeah. >> [sighs]. >> [ __ ] song. And it was like, this is a. guy singing like a girl on stage. He's.

like 3 ft tall and all the women want to. [ __ ] him. Like, THIS IS NUTS. [laughter]. WHAT'S HAPPENING? >> LIKE, what did this guy do? This guy's a. sorcerer. Like, what he was so talented. that he could wear stilettos on stage. and no one cared. Don't care. >> And. it wasn't like, boo, what are you. dressing like a girl? No one gave a. [ __ ] He was so good and so. there's something about the magnetic. personality that he had. There was like. the charisma that he had was like so.

undeniable that everybody was like, holy. [ __ ] what is this? That's not taught. That's innate. That's you're born with. that. >> can't teach Prince. How do you teach. that? >> No, you don't. Like, you [clears throat] grew up in. Jersey, right? >> I was born in New Jersey. >> But I only lived there till six. >> Where'd you grow up? God, I grew up. everywhere. I lived in San Francisco. from seven to 11. I lived in. Gainesville, Florida from 11 to 13. >> moving. Yeah, a lot of moving. And then. I lived in Boston from 13 to 24. Then I.

lived in New York. New York for the. city? >> No, I live I couldn't afford parking. So, I had to live outside the city cuz. I'm a comedian. I had to drive. everywhere. I had a lot of road gigs, that's where I made my money. So, to. drive to Connecticut, Rhode Island, like. in the city, it was like parking spot. was hundreds of dollars a month back. then. My husband. >> in New Rochelle. Okay, cool. My husband. is was NYPD. He's he retired after eight. years, but cuz I dragged him down to. Tennessee and now Texas. Nice.

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I'm just like Desperate Housewives of. SoHo. >> [laughter]. >> Running around and like going to rock. clubs by myself and having lunch by. myself and having wine and meet people. and it's just it's a city that like. nobody cares who you are at all. They're. just like. It's an amazing city. >> It's amazing. They're If you like. cities. Yeah, I have I mean I like. visiting cities. >> Six months was I got my fill. I loved. it. We're there a ton, um, cuz his. family's still there, but I just I. enjoyed like really immersing cuz I'd.

never done that. Mhm. And I'm not really. a city girl, but I was like, I'm just. going to use every bit of this that I. can. Wrote some great songs, like wrote. one called Fire Escape. I didn't even. know what that was before. >> [laughter]. >> What's Fire Escape? You should walk out. the door. >> [laughter]. >> You know, so, it was it was cool it was. cool time, but Well, that would be a. great place to like rewire your brain. creatively to write stuff cuz you're. just you're forced in a totally. different environment. And the weirdest.

environment on earth, in my opinion. I. think the weirdest environment on earth. for human beings is when they're stacked. on top of each other in cities. Cuz I. don't think that's normal at all. >> No, it's not. >> your whole body just goes, whoa, like you're always at three or four all. day long. Like, you're never at zero. >> Yes, my husband just now, like, we. literally talked about yesterday. I was. like, you. are finally like. at a regulated nervous system level. >> [laughter]. >> Cuz he just I think he was just used to. like just you have to vibrate at a.

different energy, especially if you're. police officer, like that's a whole. different. >> You know what I mean? And so, finally. like we have a farm in Tennessee and we. are there for like a couple days this. week and just chilling, making cookies. and being normal and it's like he's. finally like enjoying that cuz even when. I had my little time in New York City, I. was like, this is a. it's a lot of like, I couldn't do this. 24/7 for long periods of time cuz I just. can't come down and like ground myself. Right. I need to touch grass.

>> [laughter]. >> Yeah, I do, too. Um, being a cop in New. York City has got to be like one of the. most stressful jobs in the history of. the world. >> Yeah, I think so. That's I mean, that's. right up there like below being a. soldier at war. Like, being a cop, I. mean, I have friends that are cops or. that were cops that will tell you that. the people that are working in the. field, like as police officers and. they're going and. seeing things on a daily basis. They're. seeing way more carnage, way more [ __ ].

up things than these guys who had served. they they were both they did both. >> were like, I saw way more as a cop than. I ever did as an officer. >> sense. It's a lot. I mean, his whole. family is police officers. My whole. family is firemen and police officers, too. So, I can't I think that was kind. of our. bond anyways. It's kind of we grew up. exactly the same, just in different. parts of the country, but Well, I was. around a lot of cops when I was a kid. because of martial arts. We were always. training with cops. And you know, I'd. listen to stories that they would tell. me about like things that they got into.

And they were getting into things like. that at like on a daily basis. It was. always shootouts, there was always car. wrecks, there was always. murders and domestic violence cases and. it's like, man, like of those guys are. just walking around with severe PTSD and. no one cares, no one respects. >> about it. Like they're just, you know, I. I think that like they don't even. acknowledge it themselves. Like I know. my dad worked twice in Dallas for his. whole career and. and back in the day like and my and my. husband like they they just don't and.

then they just come home and like, you. know, I'd kill my hearing aids, too. >> [laughter]. >> He's like the dog ate it. I guarantee. you that he just threw it away. Dude, he. put peanut butter on that [ __ ] thing. >> [laughter]. >> Good job, Rick Lambert. We know what you. did now. >> [laughter]. >> Peanut butter on it. That's just wrong. It's just wrong in so many ways. Uh, [gasps]. yeah, man. He probably needed peace and. quiet. >> Yeah, he needs mom to hush. Yeah, everybody shut the [ __ ] world off. >> [laughter]. >> You know, the one of the greatest pool.

players, if not the greatest pool player. of all time, is deaf. There's a guy. named Shane Van Boening. >> Really? >> shuts his hearing aid off when he plays. He's. So, it's just silent. >> Yeah, just [ __ ] what the world. And he's. just in his like he could people could. be screaming in the crowd and he don't. hear [ __ ]. >> it about pool? Like what's the What you. said you play pool, you like it? >> I've been playing pool for 35 years. Yeah, I've been playing forever. >> But what is it about that particular. >> Because the balls don't give a [ __ ] who. you are, they don't care what you think. you are, they don't care who you know,

how much money you have, what you know, what you've accomplished already, how. many shots you've already made. The. balls don't care. The pockets are 4 and. 1/4 inches wide and if you don't hit it. perfect, it doesn't go in and it. requires all of your concentration. And. if you really know how to play pool, then you're dealing with like English. So, you're dealing with like spin on the. cue ball left and right and you're. dealing with draw and follow. It's a. dance of the mind and these orbs. You're.

hitting a ball into another ball and. trying to get that thing to go straight. And it just requires this complete. harmony of hand-eye coordination and. your spirit. Like you have to like stay. calm while you're doing it. Oh my god, that's a very. That's a very good explanation of that. I'm the worst pool player ever. I mean, you would think like playing as. many honky-tonks as I have played. that I could play pool. Most people.

>> that think they can play pool can't play. pool. Most people don't don't know really how. to play pool. Like back in my day it was. like just a place to flirt. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, that's that. The thing about pool. is once you get down the road and you. start understanding you got you really. start getting the game and understanding. and then playing in tournaments and then. gambling, then you're dealing with like. real pool players and these could be. real pool players play pool 8 hours a. day. Wow. >> Every day. You have to. Cuz you know how.

the thing of like being comfortable on. stage or being comfortable riding a. horse, being comfortable like shooting a. bow or or playing golf, multiply that. times 100 and you have pool. Because. pool is the only game where you take a. stick and you hit a ball into another. ball. Every other game you hit a ball. You just hit a ball with a stick. But in. pool you're hitting a ball into a ball. and controlling the movement of both. balls. Like the one that's hitting the. ball, you're controlling how it spins.

off to get perfect position on the next. shot and then the other one you want to. make sure that gets the exact right. angle to go into the pocket while you're. like calculating all this spin and the. geometry of the table and avoiding. collisions. It's maddening. >> like I just got anxiety. It's maddening. >> got stressed out. >> you crazy. It'll It's a game that it. will drive you crazy. But when you catch it, there's a thing. called being in stroke and and being in. dead stroke. It's a rare thing. It.

happens like you know, once a month or. something like that where you just can't. miss. Where you know where everything. is. And it's just like calm that comes over. like the world dissolves and all you. feel is the table and you're completely. in sync with the movement of the balls. You know how many revolutions each ball. is going to make. You feel the. difference between two extra. revolutions. Like you know where how.

hard to hit it exactly. And that's what everybody's chasing. They're chasing this feeling of being in. dead stroke. >> a month? >> Cuz it's so hard to get there. You You'd. probably get I'd probably get there all. the time if I played like a pro, like 8. hours a day. You'd probably get there. once a week. But nobody stays there. But. that's probably the draw that keeps you. coming back. >> Yeah. Dudes do drugs just so they can. get there. They get hooked on pills, they get hooked cuz they find it like. maybe it's amphetamines, maybe it's. opiates, whatever it is. Like some guys.

will do drugs and find that spot and. then go back to drugs just to get to. that spot. From pool? >> From pool. Yeah. >> Dang. Oh, it's a nutty game. I mean, I've never ever dug into it like that, but. >> Oh, at the highest levels guys are. gambling from hundreds of thousands of. dollars in these [ __ ] weird places in. Kentucky and. weird pool halls and they're streaming. online on YouTube. They're streaming on different websites. >> Dang. Oh, it's at the highest level it.

is a crazy game. It's a crazy game. Well, I never knew that, but I learned a. lot about that today. >> I know a dude who's one of the best in. the world and he can't travel because he. needs pills. Cuz he so he can't go like overseas, he. can't go anywhere, he can't travel. without his pills. If he does, he won't. play right. Really? >> Oh, it's nuts. Yeah. It's a head game. Oh, it's the head. >> [clears throat]. >> It's There's my friend Jeremy Jones, he. won the US Open, one of the greatest. players of all time. He's like it is the most and he plays. everything. He played baseball like at a.

high level. He plays golf, plays He's. like it is the most mental game. Really? It's why nobody's good at it. That's why. it never gets to a It never got to a. place where it was like really. appreciated professionally. >> Right. >> Cuz you have to know how to play it to. be to understand what you're seeing. >> Yeah. To really see people play well, you have to know what the what's. happening. I don't I've never I'm not. like good at any I've not played sports, so I'm not good at them. No sports at. all? I didn't really I mean, I grew up. kind of playing softball here and there. >> So, is golf like the first thing you.

ever did? >> and my mountain shooting, which is. technically labeled a sport. >> That's a sport for sure. >> Um. So, that's like it's new to me. >> [laughter]. >> Mhm. Sports are new because I just I. don't know. I started this at 17 and. didn't and just was laser-focused like. horse with blinders, I'm doing country. music and then What is it like going. from just being a regular high school. kid and all of a sudden 17. just being thrust into a spotlight?

Well, I wasn't in the spotlight at. first. I was playing shitholes with no. lights. >> shitholes, [laughter] there's some kind. of light. Um You're on stage. >> [laughter]. >> I don't know. Well, I [snorts] I don't. know. Like I just I don't know. I I feel. like that I I didn't have a choice. It. picked me. Like I It's the only thing. I've ever been good at. Everything is hard. Everything else is. hard to me. But like music was the only. thing that I was like. I guess this is what I'm supposed to do. cuz I'm actually good at it. Like Thank.

god you followed it, though. So many. people have a thing like that and they. say, "Oh, that's just unrealistic. I. can't do that." I didn't have a backup. plan, that helped. >> [laughter]. >> That was that. Like I I barely graduated. high school. I was like I don't want to. waste my dad's money That does help. >> going to college. I was like I have no. backup plan, so like it really does. help. >> [laughter]. >> The hunger that it creates is like a. fire that you can't explain. >> Yeah. And it's not good advice. I would. never give the advice of don't have a. backup plan because some people are not.

going to make it and then they'll blame. you. You know, you told me I shouldn't. have a backup plan. Yeah. But I really. think that for someone who's got some. talent and some a real desire to do that. and and you can stay the course, you. could deal with the hard times, like you. can't have a backup plan. You cannot. because that backup plan will rob your. time. >> Yeah. That's the thing you have to think. of. It robs your focus. It steals from. your energy. Yeah. So, it'll stop you. from reaching your full potential.

[ __ ] your backup plans. >> Yeah. I mean, it didn't come from me. Yeah, it comes from me. [ __ ] your. [laughter] backup plan. >> And I don't want to get blamed, but I I. just think that's like. the reason that it happened is a lot of. hard work, obviously, and determination, but. just nothing else. I have nothing else. Like I was terrible at school, terrible at sports, had to get tutoring, had to like stay. late for the cheerleading dance. Like. everything was just hard for me. Right, but that's just because you're a.

great singer. Like that's where your. mind works. Like it's just such a. wonderful thing that you found the thing. that you're really good at cuz some. people Some people don't. They just. don't know why they they suck at school, they don't know why they can't pay. attention, they don't know why they. can't be at work on time. They don't. know why. They're like, "What's wrong. with me?" And if maybe that person just. found that thing and they're like, "Oh. my god, I'm supposed to be riding horses. and shooting balloons.". >> Exactly. [laughter] Here I am. I have. found me.

Yeah, I think it's I I feel like we're. the lucky ones when we get to like we. know like this is. this is what I'm supposed to do. Mhm. This is what I'm going to chase no. matter what it cost and. you know, that doesn't I see so many. people that are so immensely talented. that just sit and happen for and Yeah. And you don't and you don't know why. like the why you said it, you don't know. if it was one little factor. of a period in their life or just not. seeing it the right time or chasing the.

right thing at the right time and. I don't know. I feel. I feel very thankful for that, but I'm. also like trying to. learn new things at 40 because I spent. my whole adult life doing that. You know. what I mean? So, now I'm like, "What can. we do next? Let's find another hobby.". >> But, that's a great approach though. That's great. I mean, it's recognizing. you want to have some more stuff in your. life that's interesting. I think that. does come I don't know. Does that come. with like wisdom with age? >> Age, wisdom, and and also feeling.

accomplished. I mean, I feel like I set. my goals, hit them. Yeah. >> You know, and that feels like, "Oh, okay. I can take a breath.". >> Yeah, that's got to be a part of it, right? That's got to be a part of it. That It's got to be a part that, you. know, you can relax a little. Like, not. that, you know, you will, you know, when. it comes to like writing and singing and. stuff, but at least you don't have to. worry, like, "Am I going to make it?". Like, "Hey, kind of made it." Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> That's fun. Yeah. And what's the point in make The. whole idea of making it is like your.

life will be better and you'll have. Well, your life will be better if you. have more fun. Yeah. >> Like, find some stuff you like to do. Exactly. You seem like somebody that. chases a lot of new things and conquers. them, which I think is really inspiring. Well, I chase things that you can never. conquer. That's That's the key. >> like that And no one told me that till I. started playing golf, and now it's too. late. [laughter]. Yeah, well. >> never win. For me, it started with. martial arts. You never conquer that. You're There's always going to be. somebody better than you, especially if. you're not a professional. >> really, really good at the things that.

you're Yeah. >> pursuing. Well, it's probably mental illness. >> I [laughter] think something wrong with. me. Yeah, I'm I'm sure for sure if I was. born in a different time, I was born in. the '60s. They didn't really diagnose. kids with ADHD when I was a kid and. they'd dope them up. >> 100%. >> We 100% have it. >> 100%. I got it. Whatever that [ __ ]. is, it's a superpower. It's a superpower. if you use it right. >> Yeah. I think so, too. Yeah, just. the idea that you have to medicate a kid. cuz he can't sit in school. Like, find. out that kid's good at other stuff. Find.

out if there's a thing that Yeah. Okay, maybe they can't sit there with. someone's teaching them math. Maybe they. get bored real quick. Maybe they start. talking to their friends. Whatever it. is, they probably have a thing they're. really good at. If they could find that. thing, I bet they focus like a. [ __ ] when they're playing video. games, right? So, what's that all about? You know, find the thing that that kid. can lock into. 100%. >> Yeah. The thing is like you make people do. things that are completely unnatural. You make people sit down when they're. six.

in [laughter] a chair while some lady. who's making $35,000 a year doesn't like. kids is teach them some [ __ ] that she. doesn't care about. So, there's no. energy in the room. Everything and then. when they're out in the yard with their. friends, they're having FUN AND THEY'RE. LAUGHING AND SO, THEY'RE ALL TALKING. ABOUT, "THIS IS [ __ ] This class. sucks." And they're talking to each. other and then they get in trouble for. talking. Like, "Your child's a problem." Is the child. really the problem? Seems like the child. has a lot of energy. That's not a. problem. >> Yeah. You just you're not providing an.

inspiring environment for a a growing. mind. It is turning you into a a dull. drone, some worker that could just is. capable of like shutting themselves off. all day and then showing up and then. just doing some stuff that they don't. want to do because they were taught how. to do it when they were a kid. Like, I feel like there's a lot more. opportunities now than there was like. even when I was in school. It was kind. of just like. Lindale ISD. Like, everybody just learns. the same. Everybody goes to the same.

class. You know what I mean? And I just. My mom says I learned differently. She tries to say it nicely. >> [laughter]. >> You learned differently. >> Differently. But, looking back, it's the same like. you just described my entire like. existence as a student. >> [laughter]. >> Well, it's not just yours. It's mine and. I think it's most people's. You know, the only class that I really. enjoyed was Well, science. I always. enjoyed science and I enjoyed art. I. always enjoyed that. But, even my art I. had a shitty art teacher in high school. It was like like a failed artist who was.

like really negative. And he kind of. he kind of ruined dark art. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, like not really, but ruined the. idea of me doing it as a profession. I was like, "God, I have to be around. people like this? Like, this guy's. gross." He was just like so negative. >> Right. Bitter. Just sad. Just a sad old. dude. I always remember he like he like. he ate a basketball. Like, his whole. body was skinny, [laughter]. but his belly was And I Now I know like. I probably drank himself to sleep every. night. Well, he was He was sad. Isn't an.

artist wrapped in his own life, too? Like, they couldn't He I mean Also, he. wasn't that good of an artist. That's. part of the problem. Part of the problem. was like. >> He needed a backup plan. Well, I just. don't think he was he had a lot of fire. in in him when it came to anything. And. I think the the art that he created was. a representation of who he is as a. human. And he saw these young kids that. were talented. I was pretty talented. I. was like the third best kid. This kid. named Kevin that was like a little. better than me and then a kid named John.

who was the best guy in our class. And. John told me like like a year or two. ago, we were emailing each other back. and forth. And John told me that that. guy gave him an F. And I was like, "Okay. So, it wasn't just me. That guy's a. piece of shit." Cuz John was the best. artist like I'd ever seen when I was a. teenager. And we were all like, "Fuck. this guy's like the art world. We're. out." So, none of us became artists. That's sad. Oh, it was just this That. was what this guy wanted. What this guy. wanted was to kill dreams. I feel like. it's so especially in that Like, how old.

were you? 16? >> When I quit the classes, I stopped my. senior year in high But, the By then, um I was also traveling and fighting. By. then, I was That was like when I heavily. got into martial arts. So, by the time I. was 17, like my whole senior year, I was traveling around the country. >> [clears throat]. >> It's crazy. That's when I started. making money playing music at 17. >> seeing your senior of high school? Wow. So, that must have alienated you from a. lot of your friends. Yeah, and I mean, I.

was also. um very big into church choir and stuff. And so, I'm like at the honky-tonk till. 4:00 in the morning cuz I was the house. band. >> [laughter]. >> And then I'm like dragging a leg into. church smelling terrible. Like, no wonder y'all kicked me out of. youth group, >> [laughter]. >> you [ __ ]. That's hilarious. I probably deserved. it, but That's hilarious. Like, "What. did you do last night?". >> Like my mom had to like go with me for. the first like first like 3 months of my. house gig because I couldn't get into I. was 18 and I was playing in the house. band. So, she'd be like, "Oh, good. You.

can drive and I can drink beer and. listen to y'all play." Oh, that's. hilarious. [laughter]. That's funny. But, it's funny what. you're talking about teachers. Like, I I. feel like there's there's some that just. really There's that turning point where. you meet that one teacher or someone. that in your childhood or high school. years that turns things around for you. I got like. when you're talking about your art. teacher, I I This teacher name is. Caldwell and she taught speech and I was. a terrified. literal the shyest kid ever. My parents.

are both very vibrant and huge. personalities. And like I couldn't get a word in. edgewise, so I just didn't talk till I. was like 16. >> [laughter]. >> cuz they just wouldn't shut up. They're. just constantly Dad's telling old cop. stories about his college days and my. mom's a PI, so she's telling all her. cool stories. And so, I just was really. shy. And my little brother was same. He's 5 years younger and like we just. weren't very like vocal. And I somehow got forgot I didn't pay. attention and didn't put down my. classes, you know, like my junior year.

of high school. And I had got shoved in a class where. there was one spot and it was speech. honors and it was a debate class. And. like that is not my vibe. Whoa. >> panicking. My mom came up to the school. I was sobbing. I was like, "I can't do. this. I I don't even speak hardly." And. but I was singing like here and there. I. was singing in church. Like, I could do. it if I was singing. But, like still shyly singing. You know. what I mean? Like, kind of in the. background. And at my mom was like, "We got to. figure this out." The school was like,

"Well, there's not really any room for. her any other classes and whatever." And. it was an honors class. Like, this girl. was like barely passing every class. except choir. They just allowed you to. enter into that class? >> somehow. And so, then I think looking. back like. Miss Caldwell and the principal met with. my mom and. um. she looked at Miss Caldwell and she was. like, "Can she do this?" And she was. like, "She needs to do this." And so, and I had to debate like against these. seniors and real smart kids, right? And.

but it really brought me out of my. shell. And so, I'm thankful she wasn't. like your art teacher. I'm thankful that. Miss Caldwell was like, "No, I see. potential in this girl." And if she's. going to be cuz I sang at the talent. show or whatever. She's like, "If she's. going to be a singer, she's going to. have to learn to be in front of people.". Right. >> And to like show her personality and. come out of her shell. And it really. like changed my world because then I. started playing in bars and I started to. like come into my personality a little. bit cuz you can't do this if you don't.

have. if you. aren't confident and and have confidence. in who you are, you know? >> Right. And the ability to be who you are. in between songs. That. >> [laughter]. >> That is a really important part. >> Yeah. And that's where people get to see. you. Yeah. So, I'm thankful for her. Thanks, Miss Caldwell. Love you. >> Damn, Miss Caldwell killed it. She. killed it. >> Yeah, that's that's beautiful to have a. teacher like that. And anyone can speak. The The anxiety about the like, "Oh, I. could never public speak." Like, yes, you could. You just it's not impossible.

Can you talk to me? Okay, then you can. talk to a bunch of people. You can do. it. You might have to do it a bunch of. times before you figure it out, but it's. not like breathing underwater. You could. totally do it. >> It's so scary to me. I mean, honestly. Like, you're so good at it. Also, comedians like that to me is the. scariest of all the show biz that you. could pick is that. >> Yeah. It's one of them. It's It's That's kind. of what I like about it though. I like. scary stuff because you'll have less. people doing it.

>> [laughter]. >> So, you'll be like, "I'm being deal.". >> into. >> That's why I got into com- It's like. it's it's a. it's like. if say like let's say if you want to be. a lawyer. How many people are trying to. be a lawyer? Oh my god. You got to go to. law school. You got to get a degree. You. got to pass the bar. You got to get. hired by. some sort of a law firm and you you got. to try cases. And what are you doing? Like a lot of people trying to be. lawyers. Because there's a clear. pathway. But if the pathway is like. foggy, like how do you be a professional.

fighter? Like oh I I'll go that pathway. Like no one's doing that. Like the. people that are doing that are all. crazy. Like those are my kind of people. Or if you the pathway is how to be a. comedian like oh yeah all these people. are all misfits. This is perfect. These. are my people. Like this is perfect. I'll go do that. Like this is like I'm. insured of being around like-minded. interesting people. Yeah. That's a great. way to look at it. But I just think. [snorts] I always think about how. like the first time you step on the. stage and you're you know, you're.

showing all your cards. Like you might. be your first time. Well, but for a. comedian to me it's like it's songs. songs are different. Like. you know, every- the first game you play. the first whatever everybody has their. first time that they're like. learning their their ropes and how to. get their feet under them. But but. that's just so raw. Like. here's my jokes. Here's my whole heart. Here's. I hope you think this is funny. Like I. just every time I see it I'm like that. is the hardest thing in show business.

Period. The first time I ever did it I. was still fighting and I I'd be done. nothing but martial arts competition. Like literally eight hours a day for my. whole life for six years. And then that. I was more scared going on stage at an. open mic night than I'd ever been. fighting. Ever. But I was confused. I was like why am I. scared? Like this doesn't even make. sense. It was so baffling to me. I was. like why am I so nervous? This is but that makes sense to me. It's. just it's something you. well you you were good at it but you had. to do it in front of people. Like I. didn't even think I was good at it. My.

friends told me I was good at it. And. they only told me I was good at it was. like we would go to tournaments and. everybody would be terrified. We'd all. be like like really nervous. and I would. be the the humor. I would it was gallows. humor. So I would be the guy cracking. jokes. I'd be the guy doing impressions. of each other. Like of different. different friends like what they'd be. like having sex or whatever it was and. making everybody laugh. Saying totally. inappropriate stuff. And my friend Steve who I'm still. friends with today he was a grown man. and I was like 15 at the time. And.

to this day he's still one of my best. friends. But he told me he's like you. should be a comedian. Like you're funny. It's like and I was like you're you. think I'm funny because you like me. I. go but other people going to think I'm. an [ __ ] Like my sense of humor is. [ __ ] up. And he's like you should just. go to open mic night. And I did. And I. went to an open mic night and I was like. oh everybody sucks. Oh this is fine. I. was like you you go to see a few. professionals and a few people that are. just struggling. I thought everybody. would be like Jerry Seinfeld or Richard. Pryor. I'm going to get killed up there.

This is going to be terrible. And then I. realized like oh this is just like. martial arts or anything else. You start. off terrible and then you try and then. you get better and then you figure it. out and then you know, it's like. but I just wasn't I was just stunned by. how scared I was. more than anything. Do you remember the first time you ever. got on stage like at a honky-tonk or. how old were you? It was a True Value Country Showdown the. Rio [snorts] Palooza in Longview, Texas.

Um yeah and I was scared to death cuz I. was like the shot kid too. My dad's a. songwriter too. You're going to love. this. My dad is a cop and a songwriter. My dad is a songwriter. He plays guitar. And he had a band his cop band on their. side gig was all narcs and they were. called contraband. >> [laughter]. >> They were a country band called. contraband. Can you even? That's a great that's funny. Yeah but he. wrote songs so I was like I'm going to. enter this contest. My mom was like.

shocked. I was I was like working in the. yard. She's like go pick the weeds. I'm like. mom there's a ad on the radio for a. contest. called the True Value Country Showdown. and I want to enter it. She was like. what you don't even talk you don't. you're too shy. Like are you kidding me? And I was like no I want to do it. And. she was like what are you going to sing? You had to sing an original song and I. sang one of my dad's. And. what was the song? It was called. gosh now I can't think of it. Too many song titles in my head. Way too. way too many.

But here I go again. That's what the. title was. And. so like cuz I grew up on like forever I. thought my dad wrote like Mama Tried. because I grew up with him just playing. John Prine and Haggard and David Allan. Coe and. Guy Clark you know, so I started to. realize oh some of these are like my. dad's originals and some of those are. Merle Haggard's they're not [laughter]. just dad's. Um but like I got up there and I got I. didn't win but I. it was like my first okay like like you.

were just saying it was my first like. okay maybe I can I can do this. Like I. I'm green and I'm shy and I'm new and. I'm young but like I. I'm not terrible. Like I'm I'm. [laughter] I'm kind of equal with these. guys. You know what I mean? We're all. babies. Yeah it was it was. and it was um. I don't know. I I think that's the first. time I was like. okay I found something that doesn't feel. foreign to me that's not so hard to. learn. You know what I mean? Yeah. Do.

you believe in fate? Yeah. I do. You probably should. Yeah. Right? Cuz it worked out. >> [laughter]. >> That's my my bias about fate. Like if. if anybody should believe in fate it's. people like you or I. But I'm not sure. Um my bias is that I believe in it cuz. it worked out. Yeah. You know? But I. mean if your life is [ __ ] and you're. like is this fate? Like what did I do in. a past life? [laughter] Like what kind. of [ __ ] was I. that everything just turned [laughter].

out so terrible. You know? Well, there's there I mean I. don't know. I feel like I also met my. husband in like a crazy way and so I. can't help but believe in fate. Like I. There's something to it. Yeah. I believe. in it. Yeah. There's something to it. As. much as I my mind want my rational mind. wants to ignore the possibility. Like. the randomness of the universe the size. and scope of it all. Do you really think. it matters what you do? Do you really. think it but it does to you. Right? It's a giant impact on your life.

and everything matters. Just because. there's black holes doesn't mean your. [ __ ] your homework doesn't matter. You know, everything matters. Your whole. world everything matters. It's like you can't think that things. don't matter. Like that the universe. wouldn't have a plan for your life. When it seems to have a plan for. everything. Yeah. I mean all of it seems. to be happening for some sort of a very. bizarre reason. All of it together. So I'm sure that there's something to. fate. But it's just my rational mind.

wants to go that's just your ego. It's. like silly. You could have been born in. Somalia. You know, life could have. sucked for you. You know, it's it's hard to. because fate's a weird one. Like you. can't measure it. Can't put it on a. scale. >> [snorts]. >> But it seems to be real. Yeah. Well, it's real for us. So then it's real. I guess. Your ceiling is giving me Yeah. I love. it. The little shooting stars. And you're like fate is real. And I was.

like. >> [laughter]. >> yeah it is. If I don't tell people I didn't tell you. but sometimes people. they're like am I having flashbacks? Like what's going on? It's awesome. That's what I love about West Texas. Something about like it's just so vast. in the middle of nowhere. Like the stars. are they feel like they're we call it. the Thunderdome when we're we like lay. in the yard and it just feels like. they're you could reach up and grab them. cuz it's so dark out there. It's. magical. Well, they're on top of you and. you don't have any light pollution.

Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing that ruins. the world. Yeah. That's the problem with. New York City. That's why everybody's so. stupid. They're like so like stuck in. their own world is cuz they they don't. realize they're in space. >> [laughter]. >> You know? You don't get that break. There's a a break that you get from. space that I don't think you get from. anything else where you just like look. up and you go oh yeah. Okay. I'm taking all this [ __ ] way too. seriously. This is nuts. Like just above. us. It totally is. And I also when you.

said that made me think of what we were. talking about earlier about. wisdom and like. I don't know. Just kind of reaching some. goals and taking a breath and calming. down and going okay everything's okay. So like. I just feel. like. I saw a shooting star and lost my train. of thought. >> [laughter]. >> I have ADHD. Maybe I have to shut them off. Well, we're talking about space and. inspiration.

and. fate and. >> [laughter]. >> what are you zening over there? What are. those? Oh, these are Lucy's. They're. breakers. You do you ever take these? They are but I I like zens. You like the. here try these. These these are strong. though. They're like what sixes? Nine. Oh, I'll pass out. Yeah, don't do it. I'm not doing it. It's not for you. I'm. not doing it. It's a strong. This one's not yeah. These are nines. Oh, you got some fours? Oh, chuck me a.

four son. >> [snorts]. >> What are what's the Lucy's? Um. why are they different? They have like a little thing inside of. them that you. they're called breakers. So it's like. coffee flavored you put in your mouth. Just like a zen? Uh-huh. Yeah. And you. crack that little sucker open it gives. you a little blast of flavor. Little sugar almost like a little piece. of cupcake. Piece of candy in there for [laughter]. you. Oh, those are fours right? So that's not. bad. That's. Four's is nice. I got to burn out of.

here. I already can't concentrate cuz of the. shooting stars. >> [laughter]. >> I saw a dude online. He got a 50 mg one. from overseas. >> What? >> Yeah. And he tried it and, you know, he. was violently ill, lying on the ground. like, "I made a terrible mistake.". >> that? Well, I think he did it for props, you. know, like so he could get some online. cred. Just for the views. Did it for the gram. >> I mean, I guess people I watched it. >> [laughter]. >> I wanted to see I'm like, "You're going. to take a 50? Oh, you're [ __ ] dude.".

And he said, "Oh my god, it's like. drinking battery acid." And then he was. lying on the ground at the end of it. He's like, "I really [ __ ] up. I made a. giant mistake." Cuz it's so much. nicotine. 50 mg is crazy. >> so like so. into health and take such good care of. yourself and. >> Mhm. I What is the bit what like why are I. just tell people, "Oh, they're good for. you. Have one.". >> [laughter]. >> Well, What do you think? Like tell me. your opinion of these of this whole. craze. Nicotine's not bad for you. >> Right. The delivery method is what's bad. for you. And um the delivery method with.

cigarettes in particular with cigarettes. that have a bunch of chemicals added to. them. That's even worse. Like the. regular cigarettes, like natural. cigarettes, I bet are probably not as. bad for you. Dr. Suzanne Humphries, she's a physician. who was on here who was explaining to us. like why regular cigarettes are not as. bad, but they're still it's still not. good for you to be smoking in your. lungs. But. nicotine itself is not bad. Nicotine. itself is neuroprotectant. Nicotine. itself um actually is a nootropic. So,

which means it's cognitively enhancing. So, um nootropics are like vitamins that. help brain function. And there's a bunch. of them like um. We have some here. We have some stuff. called Alpha Brain that's great. I've. seen that. There's a bunch of companies. that make different versions of uh. nootropic. But there are there are. nutrients that enhance memory and. enhance your uh verbal uh verbal memory, so your ability to recall words. Uh they can enhance peak alpha flow. state. Like they've done like real.

They've done two double-blind. placebo-controlled studies at the Boston. Center for Memory with Alpha Brain. It. shows more effectiveness than any of the. drugs that they had studied over the. past like 9 months before they did this. They're like, "This is pretty. impressive.". So, nicotine does that, too. Nicotine. enhances your memory, enhances brain. function, enhances it stimulates you. So, there's a lot of benefits to. nicotine as a But the problem is like. how do you take it? How are you taking.

your nicotine, you know? Probably one of. the best ways is maybe gum, you know? And these these things. People are wearing patches now and. stuff. >> Oh, [ __ ] crazy people. What's Ron. White? He wears a goddamn patch. Well, he's doing wrong. I got a patch on and I'm smoking. >> [laughter]. >> He's got a cigar. He's got a Zyn. [ __ ] animal. But. >> [laughter]. >> He said he's an animal. But I think. [snorts]. there's there's real benefit. I know a. guy who. puts a nicotine patch on for.

productivity when he writes. That makes sense to me. Like I feel like. cuz all the songwriters are, you know, right now everybody in Nashville's. Zynning. And I'm like, "Oh, I'll try. one." And it like really does give you a. little. stimulant. Yeah, and also have a lot of. words in my head. I need to remember. words and I also need to write new. words. >> [laughter]. >> You said. >> So, anything to help with that. Anything. you want If you want to help with. memory, Alpha Brain's a really good one. I want to try that because I just think. like.

um. some point, too, when you're tired, you. know, just like feels like you like you. can't I mean, you saw me lose my train. of thoughts. Like. >> Mhm. I don't want to be on like a bunch of. Adderall and stuff. I want to be on I. want to find a different method to like. have my brain functioning at the best it. can. >> These are addictive, though. And I got. to say um different people have. different levels of like how addicted. they get with these. Like some people. can't not have them. I went on vacation. I said I'm going to go on vacation and. not bring any and see what happens. See. if I freak out. Just to see.

And nothing. It was zero. Nothing. It. was like I kind of missed them maybe for. a day or two. Like wanted one, didn't. have any. And then after like 3 days, I. was like, "Oh, this is fine." Yeah. It's. not It's not like a physical like, "Oh. my god, I'm jonesing.". I'm a shaking. Yeah. >> But I've know I know people that have. tried to get off of them that really. struggle. I mean, it it is addictive. I. mean, it's nicotine. I think the vapes. are the hardest to get off of. >> Like that's I don't [snorts] want heat. on my voice, either, you know?

>> Right. Well, vapes aren't really hot, but it is If you buy them ones that are. like in the gas station, like who knows. where those are being. >> but the ones that heat up? Oh, yeah, the. crazy ones? >> I like that. Adam Curry, do you know who. Adam Curry is? Mhm. He's the first. podcaster. He used to be MTV VJ. >> Yes. Guy with beautiful hair. >> Good good friend of mine. He carries. around one of those robot lunchbox. vapes. Those big old crazy ones where. you're blowing And it makes like noise.

It's like kind of like a power bar on. the side of it. It's so ridiculous. And. then he blows this giant But it's all. like he he fills it with natural oil, so. it's. air quotes healthy. >> Air quotes. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]. That's what they That's what people say. when they smoke American Spirits. Yeah, it's healthy. Come on, there's an Indian. [laughter] on there. >> Yeah, exactly. How come they get away with that? Is it. American Spirits owned by Native. Americans? No? No? So, how the [ __ ] do they have a. Native American on there not catching. any slack?

They do, right? Don't they have an. It's a badass package. >> got into trouble in the past for stuff, so Did they? >> Yeah, I'm not I'm not getting into it. Oh. >> [laughter]. >> I'm not getting into the tobacco company. problems. He's like, "And finish it.". >> [laughter]. >> Did you ever see that movie The Insider. with Russell Crowe? I don't think so. >> It's about a guy who works for a tobacco. company that is explaining He was a. chemist and he was explaining how they. added all these different things to make. it more addictive and they're trying to. kill him in the film cuz they don't want. it that information getting out. He's.

the insider. It's kind of crazy movie. and based on a true story. Wow. Yeah. I. want to see They they put a bunch of. [ __ ] in cigarettes to try to get get you. hooked. >> Well, then they do it. I mean, it works. People. That's the hardest one, I feel like. It's It's the most you hear people. talking about trying to quit that and. drinking to me. Like, you know what I. mean? Just on the daily. Like I'm in a. band, so everybody's like, "Oh, I quit.". Now they're all like, "Do you want a. Zyn? Do you want a Zyn?". >> [laughter]. >> Yeah. Because it's just highly addictive, I. guess. It's It is, but it's it's People.

want something. They just want something. to take them out of whatever state. they're in. Give me something. Give me a. drink. Give me this. Give me a coffee. Get Like everybody I know that's in. Alcoholics Anonymous, they all smoke or. drink tons of coffee. >> Mhm. It's either or both. >> Yes. Cuz they just want to do something. get me Something's not going to make me. suck dick for bus fare, but I'm at least. get a little bit of something. different than regular life. I don't. want to be homeless, I don't want to be. cracked out, but give me something. Just. give me a little something to take me.

away from wherever I am right now. >> Yeah. Not that far away, just a little. bit away. >> Just a little next door. Let me go next. door and hide. >> [laughter]. >> I'm going to start saying that when I'm. like, "Can I have a Zyn? Can I get I I. need to go next door." Yeah, I'm going. to go next door. Just a little bit. I. don't want to go too far away. I can. hear everybody, but. >> Am I supposed to like break this little. candy thing? >> I do. Yeah, I break it right away. You. just crack down on that little sucker. >> What's in there? What's in there? Probably candy. Ooh. Nice, right? >> That's like a little burst of happiness.

>> [laughter]. >> I'm going to go next door. I like those. I like those. It's funny. My buddy. Duncan found out that um his blood sugar. goes up when he vapes cuz he was buying. those gas station vapes. And you know, he got he got type 2 diabetes cuz he was. eating too much sugar. He's okay. Don't. worry. Uh but he. uh realized cuz he monitors his blood. glucose that like when he was vaping, his blood was going through the roof. Okay, why do you think that is? Like why. do you think it's strawberry flavored? What the [ __ ] do you think's in there,

bro? You're eating candy all day. Like. you're vaping on sugar. >> sugar oils? Yeah. Yeah. It has to be. Yeah. It has to be. I mean, if it's like. grape flavored or whatever the hell it. is. It's like there's some some Also, who knows what kind of oil they're. putting in those damn things? Probably made in China or somewhere. I watched a video on TikTok of these. dudes testing them. So, some dude is. just sucking on each one of them to make. sure they work at the factory. What's.

going to happen to him? I don't know. what's going to happen to you because. you're sucking on the same one that he. was sucking on. Nobody cleans those. things off. You just get them at the gas. station, stick it right in your mouth. >> a karaoke mic. Yes. >> [laughter]. >> That's nasty. So nasty. >> Okay, I'm spitting this out. Hold the. pause. Pause. Oh, you get rid of it? It gave me a It's like a buzz. Yeah, like a little buzz. Yeah, a little next. You went next door. Yeah, I like that. Well, excuse me, I'm going next door. Yeah. Um so, anyway, nicotine vapes not. I don't think they're good for you.

Folks, sorry. Cuz people thought they. were healthier for you than cigarettes, but it turns out like no. Not only they. not Yeah, here's the state. Look. >> Look, he's testing all of them. All his. cute little pink ones. He's got to make. sure they all work. By the way, how. hooked is that guy? That guy must be. [ __ ] hooked. Where is this taking. place? Does it say in the. That guy has to test all of them. I. would like to see what what that guy's. Look, that guy looks like he's 15 years. old. Can you see the bottom?

No. It says 7 to 8,000 tests per day. That's terrible. Bro, test his lungs. Cuz there's a thing. called popcorn lung that kids are. getting. >> of that. The thing about these things is that. they're they're very very addictive. They're. more addictive than I think any other. delivery method. Like you just And the thing about. nicotine vapes is the first vape of the. day is the only one you really want. The. first vape of the day I would take a. vape and be like. >> [sighs]. >> This is wonderful.

Like this feeling is wonderful. It's. wonderful. And then you chase that. dragon and you never get it back until. the next day. The rest of day you're. sucking on this thing going. Yeah. >> [snorts]. >> Nope, nothing. I didn't I'm not getting. it. I'm not getting that wonderful. feeling. You have to have no nicotine in. your system and then you have that one. hit it's like. Welcome me into your life. Do you get. like Do these people get like that. feeling from those patches? I don't think so. I think the patch just. make you. ta-da. Oh.

Like a little Adderall-y? Yeah, it's. like I'm sure people have Adderall. patches, don't they? Do they have an. Adderall patch? No. Adderall's a sketchy one. I had someone here the other day was. telling me they were doing Adderall. right before. I want I did an Adderall. just so I'm ready. Like It's like it's a. writing. It's very helpful for writing. Oh, I'm sure. It's like you don't want. to have. I don't want to need it. So that's why I. was like what brain things can I take? [laughter] Yeah. What are Lucy's? What does it say, Jamie? Oh, amphetamine. patch. There it is.

>> Oh, sure are. ADHD treatment that lets. you control your time your way. They. always say that. Like look, there's a a. woman who's in control. Look at her with. her jean jacket on her arms crossed. I'm. in control. She's got her control. posture. Look at her posture. >> [laughter]. >> I'm on a meth patch. I'm in control. Meth patch, please lord no. You are. literally on a drug that will kill your. superpower. You got a superpower and you're killing. it with a drug so you could focus on. >> don't want a patch of that. Yeah, no.

thanks. >> thanks. I don't need it. Maybe maybe. somebody needs it. I don't want to. judge. But the reality is that stuff the. the. amphetamines in any shape or form are. highly addictive and they're passing. them out like candy. Yeah. My daughter's in high school and a bunch. kids in high school have air quotes ADHD. and because of ADHD they get Adderall. And then also they get more time on. tests. Because they got ADHD they can't focus. So they're [ __ ] on speed.

>> Tricks of the trade. Yeah. So. cuz [laughter] it's very competitive and. parents want to get their kids into. colleges. They're they're you know. getting their kids diagnosed so they can. get their kid hooked on. whatever they're probably already hooked. on too cuz a lot of people that are. adults are hooked on it. And you can. tell those folks cuz they come to the. the parent teacher meetings and they. can't shut the [ __ ] up. >> [laughter]. >> And they just want to talk to you about. everything. Oh my god. What are. They want to corner me and ask me about. some episode I did. Oh my god, I love. that episode that you did with the guy. about climate. Your eyes. They're so cracked out. They're so.

obviously cracked out. And there's a lot. of people out there just running around. cracked out because but they feel like. they got it from the doctor. The doctor. gave me this. I'll tell you a 30 mg so. I'm just a better person. I'm just. better about all tasks. I [laughter]. actually My house is I like talked to. that person daily. Like I feel like I. have those people everywhere. They're. everywhere. Yeah. Well, we looked it up. Use Perplexity which is one of our. sponsors and find out how many. prescriptions for Adderall they wrote in. let's say 2024.

Let's take a guess. How many do you think? >> I could not even ballpark that. I want to say 40 million. I bet it's 40 million prescriptions at. least. It's probably a lot more. But I'm. going conservative and I'm saying 40. million prescriptions for Adderall in. 2024. What do you want? You want to guess? Take a guess. 40 If you're saying. 51. 51. You're probably closer. I bet. it's like 90. I bet it's nuts. I hope it's not. I bet.

it is because it's like individual. people refilling prescriptions. You know, I don't think it's like 90. million patients but it's a lot. I bet it's all journalists. >> [laughter]. >> I feel like most people that are writing. things. Yeah. I bet that in What is it? Okay. How many Adderall prescriptions were. written in 2024 according to Perplexity? 45 million Adderall prescriptions. written in the United States. Well, we. were both in the middle. Yeah. You What. did you go? 51? I said 40. Um commonly prescribed stimulants for.

conditions such as ADHD and narcolepsy. this number follows several years of. notable growth. Huh. Weird. Do more. people need it? It's up since 2019. Look. at that. Yeah, notable growth. Data. suggests the prescription rates begin to. decline slightly after a a sharp surge. during the COVID-19 pandemic. And shortages affected um I'll stop. Hold on. Um 2019 it was only 35. Interesting. So it's up 10 million. Woo. That's crazy. 41.4 million in 2021.

And 45 million by 2023. I bet there's a. lot of people getting it illegally too. Like what's that number? Okay, let's. That's cuz you there was that shortage. in. but they've covered recovered from it. Mhm. Well, also once the shortage. started people got dealers. Sure. >> But people are using mushrooms and stuff. for that now too. That's a very. different thing though. >> I've heard I've heard a lot about that. >> Yeah, microdosing mushrooms is a that's. a very different thing than Adderall. Yeah. That's like the opposite of.

Adderall. Yeah, even if it's for focus, right? Like Well, I'm sure it'll help. your focus. Is On something. Yeah, but you got to be you got to mind. your p's and q's when it comes to your. dosages. Also like where you getting. them from? >> for me. Like I'm like where is it from? Like did you go to the cow pasture cuz. that's like what teenagers do when Mhm. I heard they were doing mushrooms like. they're like cow tipping and going I. mean I'm from East Texas so. >> [laughter]. >> Well, they definitely found them growing. on poop. I mean that's how all humans. originally probably discovered.

psilocybin. They found them on cow poop. Yeah. But. um the thing about that though is like. >> [sighs]. >> you got to get them from somebody who. knows what they're doing cuz there's. they're all different and you can get. some that are crazy strong. Like there's. some out there that will knock you into. another universe. So what do you do? Are. you just eating a cap? Are you paying. attention to the Are you getting them in. pill form? Who are you getting them. from? Those are. They're all my questions too. Get some.

from a friend and I was like well who. are you Who's the guy? Who's the guy. that you you're not seeing these things. get packaged? Get the [ __ ] out of here. >> little shady. Super sketch. Super. sketch. And they're they all It's like. marijuana edibles before the the. legality in California. When it was medical they'd be it was. crazy. Because now they they because of. the regulations in California I think. the most they can make them is 10 mg. which is normal. It's a normal dose. But before that when it was medical like.

it became medical in the 90s they would. make 500 mg cheeba chews. These these. things that like they're 500 mg which is. insane. It puts you in another. dimension. >> even heard of that. They're so strong. And my friend Joey who's a real demon. Joey used to take the wrapper off of 25. mg ones and give people a 500 mg one. instead. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, he. a real demon.

And he would just laugh because he can. he can tolerate insane doses. So he. would give people like preposterous. amounts. I have a songwriter friend and I love. her dearly but whatever she says. do this I'm like do a quarter of that. Whatever that is to the public. [laughter] do yourself a service. Do a quarter of that. Some people have. ridiculous tolerances. >> Yeah, I mean it's crazy. Yeah, for. anything. I'm just over here. taking a Lucy from a random dude. Well,

it's [laughter] only 4 mg. Minor. It wasn't that bad, right? I would never. like the nine I would have told you like. spit that out real quick. It's a lot. It's a lot. I have 12s. What do you do you use those for? Real. busy days? I don't like them. They they. jolt me too much but I have them just. just cuz Lucy sent them to me. But I. think the right dose is three or four. That's the right. It's just a little. pick me up. Just a little. Not the cracked out not the cracked out. talking about. Yeah, [laughter] not the. cracked out not Adderall. I've never. tried Adderall. I've I'm scared of it.

I want to try it one day because I'm. scared of it cuz I'm like I need to know. what everybody's fussing about. Because. everybody I know that's tried it is like. don't try it. You'll love it. >> [laughter]. >> You'll love it. >> You'll [ __ ] love it. It is focus. I. mean it is. It really hones hones in. I. have a buddy of mine and his wife told. him to stop cuz he was snorting it cuz. he was writing. That's insane. He's like. that's the best way to get it real. quick. And he was like to his wife he's. like why do you care how I do it? She's. like you're snorting drugs while the. kids are asleep. He's like okay. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, that's a little far, dude.

He's not an addict though. He just He. just felt like. >> an addict though. He's not an addict. He. felt like he had to snort to really get. the most out of it quickly. >> like you said everybody's trying to find. something. Like Cuz I think if you take. it as a pill it probably takes like an. hour before it kicks in and he didn't. have an hour. So he's like. >> [laughter]. >> I have a deadline. >> Yeah. Does your friend that disappears. does he like have he doesn't have phone. no digital nothing? >> I wonder if that digital detox is like. one of the hardest ones I feel like.

It's got to be the hardest. Yeah. I've. done social media detoxes for multiple. days and you genuinely feel better. And then you go why am I doing this to. myself or I don't do this. I know. all. the time. >> Something that's annoying if I can just. say it is that like when people do. take a break from social media that's. like all they tell you about the whole. time. [laughter] Well, I'm on a break. from social media. I'm like can you be. on a break with for without telling. anybody that you're on a break from. social media? Right. They have to tell. you how virtuous they are.

I am actually going to break from social. media unlike you. >> cool, bro. You you little addict. >> [laughter]. >> scrolling through cat videos. >> Yeah, there's a lot of doom scrolling. Um yeah, it's like people who do yoga. They can't shut the [ __ ] up about it. Yeah, or people with like a special a. special like a special diet like oh yeah. you're hearing about it. You're hearing. about it. Vegans are the worst. You're. going to hear about it. They're the. absolute worst. Like no one has ever met a vegan that. didn't tell them they're vegan. It. doesn't happen.

They always tell you. Never. Not like. that. >> it into the conversation. Eventually, they'll let you know how virtuous they. are. It's like just you you can you can. not eat meat and not tell anyone. Yeah, just. >> [laughter]. >> Do it as a spiritual growth. Like just. like it's like a good action. Your. little secret with yourself. >> Yeah, your little secret with yourself. is you're not on social media. >> [laughter]. >> So don't tell me. My favorite is people. who are on social media making fun of. people that are on social media cuz. there's a lot of like really not. self-aware people that are like mocking.

people that spend all their time on. social media while they're making videos. on social media like. that's rich. Like that [laughter] is like. >> It overwhelms me honestly. Like I'm. trying to you can't keep up with it. So. I just I try I won't try to keep up with. it. Like to I was just talking on the. way here. I was like. I mean I need to get on TikTok cuz like. there's a lot of music on TikTok. Like. there's a lot of musicians and like. we have a label now called Big Loud. Texas. Um. our office is in Austin. And I'm like I. know there's amazing talent on there and.

one of our flagship artist Dylan Gossett. posted something awesome on there and. now he's out there crushing it. So I. feel like I'm missing out but then I'm. like. do I need one more thing? Like. I don't know. It's like this. >> Do you have an assistant? >> battle. Yeah, and I have a great. management team too. This is great. Get. your assistant on TikTok and then tell. them to let you know if anything's cool. and show it to you. She did that and we. signed the guy. >> [laughter]. >> There you go. You got it. >> That's what happened. Perfect. That way. you don't have to be on it. >> Right. So you can avoid it and she'll be.

a net that catches all the good fish. Cameron, it's all you girl. Yeah, [laughter] it's all you girl. So like. she'll catch the good fish. You don't. have to go by the river. Just stay off. that TikTok river. >> I needed that talk today cuz we just had. that talk on the plane on the way here. today. Cuz it's a raging. stuff. >> Yeah, [laughter] you should be scared. >> I'm like I'm already like ooh. everything's a flood of information all. the time. I know. For me it's like a. show of force when I leave my phone on. the nightstand when I go to the. bathroom. It's like I'm going to take a [ __ ].

without my phone. >> Do you tell everybody? Nope. See? Just. told you. See good. Just told you. See. you're not one of those. You're not like. I'm on a social [laughter] media break. No, my wife has like a app on her phone. that shows like how long she's been. without social media. Like and if you. want to go on social media you have to. go into the app, enter password, and. open everything up. >> I think that's so smart. >> Oh yeah, and she she showed me the other. day it was like 90 hours. I was like. that must feel so good. She's like you. feel different. You feel different. It's. not good for you. Bad for everybody. No, but we need it.

but we for some things. I get it. It's. great for artists. It's great to promote. your work. It's great for comedians to. put clips up. It's great for musicians. to put songs out there. It's great. It. is great in a lot of ways. I'm so happy. it exists. >> Oh me too. I was stapling my posters to. a phone pole when I started. Like Wow. >> Like I did it old school. Like boots on. the ground walking up to the radio. station knocking on the door saying can. I play a song? Like and now yes. Like. have you ever seen. Loretta Lynn's life story? Have you ever.

seen Coal Miner's Daughter? Yes. Yeah. >> That. Like me and my mom with a baloney. sandwich in my mom's Ford Expedition. like driving around all over Texas me. going I'm a singer songwriter. Like and. now I'm like dang I'm jealous of the way. that people can do it now. Okay. Yeah, but I think you probably developed so. much character doing it the way you did. it. >> Yeah, I'm thankful for that. But I'm also like well damn. >> [laughter]. >> These kids they just post something and. like 100 million people see it in the. night. Like what's happening? Well, the. problem with that is like sometimes.

people get fame they're not really ready. for yet. And I think. >> 100%. Doing what you did and going to. bars and then eventually becoming famous. after years and years of performing and. promoting yourself and getting your. chops on stage and really settling into. yourself. That is so much better than. being like a 20-year-old kid like sits. around and comes up with a song. Like. look at Oliver Anthony. All right, Oliver Anthony's a good friend of mine.

was he was selling [ __ ] farm. equipment. He. makes that Rich Men of North of Richmond. song and all of a sudden he's a giant. superstar and he's like That's jolting. I I had a phone call with him while it. was going down. Was he just like help? Like I mean that's crazy. >> like these people are offering me money. I go don't take any money from anybody. Do not sign with anybody. I go you don't. need anybody. You already did it. All. right, you've got talent and you're. already famous. All right, you just made.

a giant hit song. Don't give away any of. you. >> Yes. Don't sell it. You know, he's like. well they're telling me I got to strike. while the iron's hot. I'm like [ __ ]. those people. They don't know what. they're talking about. You could do this. again. You could do this again and again. and again. Now that you already did it. it's going to be way easier the second. time cuz everybody's going to be waiting. to see what you say next. >> Yeah. I know. It and that's like. also nobody you can't learn it's like. you. you do the journey in reverse. Well, he. did the first show he ever did was a. giant sold out the first time he ever.

performed live. Giant sold out show when. he was already famous. It's so. mind-boggling. I can't even like put it into words cuz. I'm thinking like how you could get your. chops and how you you did it fight by. fight. You did it stage by stage when. doing comedy. Like. it just happened so fast and it's like. and then you still have to pay the dues. but it's just backwards. It's like. >> The thing is though he paid the dues as. a regular blue-collar human being.

working and that's where he developed. his character so that when it all came. he's like oh my god I just stepped into. a magic story. Right. Like he had a. regular story and then all of a sudden. the genie came along and abracadabra. The internet and the internet just put. that song out there and everybody was. like holy [ __ ] this song's great and all. of a sudden he's hugely famous. But he. had character. >> someone that's being a real person 17. Oh, impossible. Yeah. >> Yeah, it scares me. I'm just like we.

still got to go do the work now. We. still got to start developing who you. are now even though the world already. knows who they think you are. You know? It's almost impossible if you. start too young. Like we were talking. about that with Michael Jackson the. other day that like no one can teach you. how to do that and no one's arrived at. Everybody who's famous when they're a. little kid they're all [ __ ] up. No one. no one gets through it. >> it comes with a really high cost. You. can see it. Yeah. I always make the. analogy that's like you're making cement.

but you don't put the right ingredients. in and you can't go back and remix it. >> Right. Like if you don't put enough. water in or you don't put enough sand in. that cement sucks. It's always going to. be [ __ ] up and that's what it's like. when you're a kid and you get famous. Like you didn't allow that person to mix. correctly. >> Right. I think that like that's why I'm glad I. you know. I I didn't go to college but I I got to. have the. the learning times of just being 17, 18, 19, 20. Like just. learning life like while playing music.

but it was just kind of. in some. dive bar somewhere. It wasn't in front. of people. You know what I mean? And I. you get to build your character. You get. to figure out who you are. And that's why I think the down by the. river in the TikTok river. >> [laughter]. >> I've learned two things. I'm going to. refer to it as down by the river and I. need to go next door. >> [laughter]. >> The TikTok river. Yeah, it's a raging river too. That's a. scary ass river. That river never stops. It never stops.

>> Which we're thankful for it too by the. way. Like I I found some great talent. and learned some really cool recipes and. get to talk about rescue dogs, you know? There's the good things about it. >> There's great things. It's it's. basically a new element of human. civilization that we have to contend. with. That we've figured out how to. There's no. real like precedent on how to navigate. this especially as a child. No children. ever grew up with it before. Well, these. are the first children that are growing. up with it and no one can tell them how. to do it right. We can just observe.

what's going wrong with it. Yeah. It's. real sketchy. Yeah. It's it's real weird. And people say to. me like do you let your kids on social. media? I'm like yes cuz they they have. to be able to handle it and they have to. know what it is. But don't But also. don't do it. My my one of my daughters. my youngest also has that same app on. her phone. She never goes on social. media anymore. How old is she? She's 15. So she stays off of it and she she'll. watch YouTube. She'll watch YouTube. videos or stuff like that but like. social media she's like it just doesn't.

I don't like it. Not good for you. And. it gets in the way of school work and it. gets in the way of stuff she's doing. So. she stays off it. But she's just wise. If I was 15 I'd be [ __ ]. >> [laughter]. >> I would have been [ __ ] I was so dumb. I would have been I don't believe that. for a second. >> TikTok all day. I'd have been making all. kinds of stupid videos try to get. attention. That's also part of the problem is that. kids are doing things. just to try to get attention rather than. doing things cuz they really love an art. form they're trying to get better at. Like if you make a great song and you're.

17 years old like. and it goes viral. at least you're doing a thing. Like. you're doing an art thing. >> 100%. >> just trying to get attention and there's. a lot of people out there that don't. have a thing. They're just trying to get. attention. If you ask young kids like. what do you want to do when you grow. older when you when you grow up a lot of. them a giant percentage of them just. want to be famous. >> I I was about to say that. Like I saw. that whatever that study was and I read. about it and it was like but famous for.

what? Like you just want to be famous? But what what skill or what trade or. what. Like what do you Just famous. Why? Kim Kardashian. Why in the world? Like that sounds awful. Well, because. they see cameras going off and people. are staring at you and that's a person. that's an important person. You know, a. lot of people just want to be an. important person. They want to be a. person with the nice stuff. Like look at. the nice house and look at the nice cars. and look at the nice watch and the nice.

this and that. They just want to be an important person. and the society that they are growing up. in shows them that all you have to do is. be famous. Yeah. Like Kim Kardashian is. one of the most famous people alive. She. doesn't do anything. There's not like a. thing like we could point to. Oh, she's. like the best. She's the best painter. She's the best. singer. Nope, nothing. Zero. Zero. things, super famous, worth a billion. dollars and then kids are like, that's. what I want to do. Especially if they're. dumb and unfortunately a lot of people.

are dumb and those people never thought. they would ever be famous before, but. now you can be dumb and famous. I mean, that's a statement. >> Yeah, dumb. You can be dumb and famous. and not be good at anything. Like maybe. you could be dumb but you're like the. greatest baseball player of all time. That's great and you're famous. But no, you're dumb and you're famous and you. don't do anything. You're not good at a. thing. You're You're thing is just. >> There's no fulfillment in that, right? >> Right. It can't It can't be. There's not. Even if you're not great at the thing or.

a thing or if you try a bunch of stuff. and you kind of suck at all of it, but. you are working on it or whatever. There's fulfillment in that. There's. Yeah. There's like an accomplishment. Like I paint folk chickens and I'm. terrible at it. You what? >> A little Just folk art chickens. I don't. even know why. I have no idea why and. they're not good at all. You make. paintings of chickens? >> on little canvases. What's a folk. chicken? >> Well, I just call it folk art cuz it's. bad and when I look [laughter] up folk. art, I'm like, oh, I can do that.

Like some folk art is amazing, but I. look up like folk art for beginners and. I like get inspired. I'm like, oh, I. could I could do that. >> heard that genre before. >> Look it up. It's kind of It's anything. and everything. >> Jamie, will you please look up folk art? What is the definition of folk art? >> That kind of stuff. >> [laughter]. >> Oh, okay. >> Reflect the cultural life of a community. associated with fields of folklore and. cultural heritage. I Huh. So, a 19th. century concept. >> know anything about it. I just I'm drawn. to it cuz I think it's cute and fun. Do.

you have any of your stuff online? >> No. It's like in my backpack. I'm not going. to show anybody. >> This is It's like [laughter] a painting. one for my mom cuz she has to hang it. up. Still like, mom. [laughter]. She put it in her kitchen. I didn't know that that was a Show me. some more of those images. I didn't know. that that was a genre. I had no idea. that was a thing. >> but I'm terrible at it and I don't know. anything about it and I would like to. learn. I want to take some like I look. up like YouTube classes or whatever. So, it's like Keep it on there. So, it's. like not realistic folk art chicken.

Okay, there's a folk art chicken. Let's. see. Look, they're so cute. Look how. cute they are. Okay. Like that one. Like. that little chunky one in the middle, the black one. >> see the whimsical red hand above your. cursor. >> That's Like I'm only as good as like Go. back. That one. Yeah, that's about See. that one that says whimsical red hand. right there above your cursor. >> cute. Yeah. >> Yeah, click on that one. >> See, I could like. Oh, but that one. >> like and I'll go to like. You Tubes of teaching me. All that to. say.

I'm trying something. You Well, [laughter]. I think it's great you're doing. different things. Boy, these are some of. these chickens are terrible. How about that one? >> Hey, it's art. If I saw. >> ill of that. chicken like that would. like that chicken that's that's a drone. >> That's a drone. [laughter] They're so. bad. >> Put in my yard by China. >> is probably dying out there that I even. brought this up. He's like, are you. >> [laughter]. >> talking about your stupid folk art. chickens? So, I'll just be in there. He's like cooking and I'm just like, I'm. painting my chickens right now. Always. chickens? I don't know why.

>> [laughter]. >> I have no idea. It's easy. Fate. It's fate. You're designed to be the. greatest folk art chicken. painter of all time. Folk art fate. >> Imagine that's what it is. Like there's. something. compelling you to tell the world about. chicken folk art. I guess so. But what. Do you have chickens? Yeah, I do have. chickens. I have chickens. I love. chickens. >> Chickens are great, right? >> They're really cute. They're the ladies. I go in the yard. I'm like, hi ladies. >> I say, hey ladies. I give them all the. scraps. They love everything from the. table like any leftovers. It's funny to.

watch them though cuz they're like. picky. Like the other day I thought they would. eat like leftover breakfast casserole. Wouldn't touch it. Really? >> They were all up They didn't eat the. biscuits. Chickens don't like biscuits. Well, maybe they know that breakfast. casserole is eggs. They're like, Jesus. [laughter] Christ, this lady's [ __ ]. nuts. She's trying to turn us into. cannibals. Ridiculous. But I didn't think about that. >> [laughter]. >> Maybe it's like. >> What have I done to my ladies? It might. be like a natural reaction to them.

I'll tell you what they go crazy for is. mice. Have you ever seen. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, this is how I found. out. Um I used to have a house in. California that my wife she changed our. back fence. It was a wrought iron fence. and she changed it to glass and when she. did, she she signed a death warrant for. a bunch of hawks and they kept slamming. into that [ __ ] glass and like three. of them died in our yard and one of them.

got KO'd but survived and I was on the. road and she had told me about it and. they'd taken this this hawk and they had. put it in a box. and when I got back, we got them what's. called pinkies and what pinkies are are. these little baby mice that have they. feed them to lizards and snakes. Like. that's what they're for. Like when you. go to the pet store, they sell you these. things. They're not weaned from their. mother and you feed them to snakes. I. know it's dark. So, they've they bought.

a bunch of them and fed this hawk these. little baby mice and it ate all of them. except one and my daughters were very. young at the time and they're like, we. want to keep that mouse. We want to. raise it. I'm like, honey, you can't. It's not going to live. Like it's not. weaned from its mother. It won't. survive. I go, I'm just going to go see if the. chickens will eat it. I put this thing down and these chickens. attacked like they were raptors from. Jurassic Park. One chicken grabbed it.

and they all chased her around. They. were stealing it from her. Pulling it. out of her mouth. >> It is that they are so ferocious. Like. you've never seen anything like a. chicken with a mouse. >> heard this in my life. I'm going to show. you a video and this video There's a. bunch of videos of cats with mice. So, So, this is a mouse and what what do. these chickens. >> My god. They just killed this mouse and. look, they all attack each other trying. to steal the mouse away from the one. chicken who has it. Oh, they eat it quick. Yeah, they devour.

it. Um Hmm. So, there's another mouse in. there that they don't know about yet. So, see what There's one with a cat. So, the cat is playing with the the mouse. Like, you know, cats don't kill it or. they want to play and this chicken just. runs over and snatches it from the cat. Like, [ __ ] you. >> I've never heard this in my life. So, look, the cat has a mouse and chicken's. like, give me that [ __ ] This Look, it's got a mouse. And the cat's like, Jesus Christ, you. guys are psychos. Well, who knew? Yeah, well, because. they're dinosaurs. That's what they are.

They're just dinosaurs that are really. small that survived the impact of the. asteroid. >> I also love dinosaurs, so maybe that's. why chickens I'm called to paint my folk. chickens. You just don't realize how. ruthless they are. >> I've never heard this in my life. This. is blowing my I'm country as a bumpkin. and like I've never heard this. They. destroy mice. Yeah. >> Dang. Destroy them. They love them. They. tear them apart. Well, I'm not going to. go do that, but I'm glad I know that. now. Like nothing I've ever seen before. We also saw a mouse that got loose in. the chicken coop once. They We had a big.

chicken coop and a mouse went in there. and I saw these chickens just tear that. mouse up. >> Well, then my breakfast casserole is not. offensive. >> [laughter]. >> I don't know. They're eating their own. babies. They're not. We don't have a rooster. Well, I know, but they don't know that. You know, they brood. I know. I think. that I'm sometimes and I'm like, Do you? I Well, I just like sometimes they look. at me like, let me just sit on this. I'm. like, okay, you can have it. That's your. egg now. Yeah, but they pluck their. feathers out and they get real. They get real It makes you sad. It's. like they want to be a mommy. They do.

Yeah, and you don't let them. We had a. rooster once, but he did not last. >> not enjoy having roosters. >> They're ruthless [ __ ] Yeah, he. attacked my wife and she's like, we're. done. Mine attacked me. I'm out on a. rooster. Yeah, they're they're [ __ ] and but. they're doing it because they're trying. to protect their hens. Like they don't. know that you're okay. They just think. this big [ __ ] thing is moving around. their hens. Like this giant person. thing. >> to the hens. Real mean. Brutal. Ripping. their feathers out. I'm like, I can't do.

it. Yeah, they're nasty. They're How. many of y'all have chickens? We have. 15 15 or 16. >> Y'all name them? Yes. I don't name them, but my daughter and my wife names them. Um but the rooster, he we only let him. got he got to maturity and then we gave. him to a friend. We're like, this. [ __ ] can't I was going to kill. him. >> They're mean. Yeah, he attacked me. I. went into the I was like, you just got. to like show him who's boss. He's like, no. No. I'll attack you, too, [ __ ].

>> Exactly. >> me and I was like, [ __ ] I will [ __ ]. kill you and so to avoid killing him, I. gave him away. Well, that's good. Cuz I. was totally ready to kill him. Cuz when. I go in there, he'd face off against me. He'd just leap at me and claw at me. >> Mine Mine attacked me, too, and dad. dealt with it. I don't know what. happened to him, but dad dealt with it. Soup. >> [laughter]. >> Turn him into soup. Yeah. That's the thing about roosters, too. I. guess you can't like just outright eat. them. They're really tough. So, if you do kill them, you got to like. either slow cook them or turn them into. soup. Well, that we we probably did. He.

just didn't tell me. I had a landscaper. back when I lived in LA who used to. fight chickens. And he took me over his. place once. >> It was crazy. I hate it. And he had like. 100 100 roosters We have done some. My nation has done We're not just We. don't just help dogs. We help all. animals, but dogs are focused, but like. we've helped break up some chicken rings. It's kind of crazy that it's still it's. still around. >> It's awful. There's some It's always out. Like we have a farm in Tennessee and. there's a whole.

This is whole farm. like down the road and it's They keep. them in tiny cages. I just hate it. And. every time we report them, every time. they just pay the fine. You know what I. mean? >> Mhm. Well, it's a part of the culture. That's. the problem. And they And they all. gamble on it. He was Mexican and you. know, from Mexico. And he had all these. friends that lived in this neighborhood. where he lived in like you might as well. been in Mexico. It was crazy. Everything. was in Spanish. And when I went over his. place, it's like his buddy We went over. his buddy's place. His buddy had like a.

hundred cages in the backyard in a pit. Where they would take the roosters. Yeah. And they put spurs on them. So. they put these. knives on their claws. >> We We try to like. We got to be part of like some of the. But when you confiscate like that many. They used to have. >> mean Yeah, I mean you can't Yeah. >> reintroduce them into the world like You. know what I mean? They're taught to be. mean. They're bred for that. Mhm. Yeah. And. they'll breed They'll breed champion.

roosters from champion other roosters. Let's just stick to our little backyard. hens. How about that? >> Yeah. It's just It's a weird thing. because like their their culture has. been they fight them and then they take. the loser and they cook them. Yeah. And. you know, he was making it seem like it. was no big deal. And it was like to them. it was their gambling recreation. And. they'd all gather around and guys would. come from long distances to bring their. chickens to fight. I hate it. Yeah. To me. it doesn't freak me out as much as dog.

fighting. Dog fighting drives me nuts. Cuz pitbulls are the They're Look, they're very dangerous because they have. a very high prey drive and they often. don't. they confuse children with other. animals. They don't. But as pets, they are the most loyal. They're the. sweetest. >> kind They love you to death. They love. you so much, but there's so many bad. ones and so many ones that are raised. just to fight. And that part of our culture, that part.

of society, like the the underground dog. fighting part is like. How can you do that to a dog? Like how. can you do that to the best animals. >> the earth is what it is. Um. I feel like I have some friends that are. huge into pitbull rescue and when. they're either rehabilitated or just. They get a bad rap period, right? Like. Like say any any metro shelter you go. to, it's 90% pitbulls because people are. afraid. But they're They get such a bad.

reputation, but there are some amazing. pitties that weren't ever in the. fighting rings. They were just overbred. and you know, taken out of a. confiscation of a. of a hoarding situation or breaking up. the fighting rings and it's a mama dog. that's just been having puppies. And. like I just wish people would at least. open their minds and hearts to like. there are some amazing pitties out there. or pitty mixes, you know? >> There are, but they're also very. dangerous around. other dogs. They will fight those dogs.

to the death. I think you're They have. to be vetted. Has to be a a well-vetted. shelter or adoption, you know? But the. problem is often times you don't know. their behavior until they're around. other dogs. Like I've had dogs that were. great around people. And then I get them. around any dog and their hackles would. go up and they immediately wanted to. fight. Yeah. And you're like, oh god. And then you're the [ __ ] cuz your dog. is like. pulling on the leash and you're like, I'm sorry. Let me get him out of here. >> Right. I know. They They're dangerous. They're dangerous in that regard because. they really are bred to fight. And I. think it takes a special.

household and owner too to really Yeah. kind of handle a dog like that. Like. Yeah. >> 100%. Our best friend's. Gwen, she's in my band and her and her. husband are long-time pitbull rescue. family and he They just know how to like. deal with them and they come around our. dogs, they're fine, everything's fine. But it's definitely an alpha male like. Mhm. They kind of show them who's boss. right away and. and they sort of understand the food. chain of the house, you know what I. mean? Yeah, there's dogs that are great. dogs, but they just need a lot of.

attention. Like if you have a German. Shepherd or a Belgian Malinois, you got. to give those things something to do. >> to know what kind of breed you're. getting too. Like. I feel like people I always preach. adopt, don't shop, but I still think you. within the adoption like really need to. go I'm going to spend some time with. this dog. I'm going to talk to its. foster family. I'm going to foster it. Just really understand what kind of. breed you're getting. If you want like a. lazy, cuddly thing. but still protector, get a Pyrenees. You.

know what I mean? Like Just know what. you're getting. Like just understand. like. is my household ready? Cuz there's a lot. of the What breaks my heart the most is. the like owner surrenders and the. returns at the shelters. You know what I. mean? It's like you didn't think through. what you were Right. And then the dog. already thought it had a home and now. you're bringing him back. >> Right, because you did you wanted a lazy. dog and you got a cow dog and it needs. to run like Great Pyrenees are great. because they're a kind of a combination. of like a lab and a protector dog. They're a great little balance. >> Yeah. Like I have a friend who has a.

Pyrenees and it's like such a good dog. And he's like, listen, man, if coyotes. come around here, this [ __ ] dog. >> We're not We're not [ __ ] them up. >> Yep. I And I go, really? And he goes. like, oh yeah. Like you you ain't never. seen a change of personality like this. dog when it sees a coyote. But then. they're like laid up on the couch with. their legs in the air. They're the. sweetest. Just rub my belly and my. knees. It's the best. [laughter]. They're like a ritual Like I have a. golden who's He's the best unless you're. a squirrel and then he's these hell. Then he's Then he's a demon. He's a. squirrel killer. But other than that,

he's a sweetest boy. He's just so nice. to everybody. Everybody who comes over. the house like, you're my best friend. Goldens are the best. >> They're so sweet. But I love them all. I. love them all. And we have a Chihuahua. I mean I I mean you. You getting a Chihuahua, you know what. you're getting. >> [laughter]. >> Mean as hell. And nervous. Oh my god, so. mean. She's 16 and blind and she still. tries to bite. She don't know where you. are, but she's like, but I could get. you. 16 is old. Oh my god. Senior dog house over here.

Have you had her since she was a baby? >> Yep. Wow. >> the shelter when she was like eight. weeks old. We got two seniors now, but I've lost I. was crazy dog lady when. my husband met me and I had eight. rescues. Like It seems crazy now, but it. I have farm and land and three were. Pyrenees. Two golden mixes and then three little I. don't know what's. And I've lost one every year for six. years. And so after this, we have two. seniors left and my husband's like, my.

heart can't take this. Like he never had. dogs growing up. He loves dogs, but he. was like, this is awful. Like ever since. we met, we've lost one cuz they're. stair-stepped in age and. So I'm like, I need a my heart needs a. break. It's [laughter] hard. Yeah. It's hard. when they die. It's like it's it's so. hard. You're so close to them and they only. lived like to be 15 or 13 and then it's. over. It's like They're like put here to. show us true love. >> I know. They really are. Meanwhile, they're not. Meanwhile, what they are is. like we took wolves and turned them into.

[ __ ] That's what. >> [laughter]. >> really really would happen. Like I have. a. a King Charles Spaniel, you know one of. those? He is the sweetest. That's little. Charlie. That's Charlie. He is the. sweetest. He's so cute. You pick him up, he just kisses your face. He's just so adorable. That was a wolf. At one time, someone took a wolf and. turned that wolf into a [ __ ] and like, you're not. enough of a [ __ ] Let me turn you into. more of a [ __ ] AND MORE FLOPPY EARS.

>> [laughter]. >> IT'S so weird what humans have done to. dogs. That we've created all these like. totally helpless. little tiny breeds. >> I know. It's weird. Shih Tzus and all. these little tiny things. >> Pomeranians. Yeah, these little But. they're all amazing and there's plenty. at the shelter that y'all should go. check out. >> amazing. I love them, but it is a weird. thing that we've done cuz they all used. to be wolves at one point in time. That's got to be the.

weirdest transformation of an animal by. human interaction is wolf to dog. I. wonder how I just wonder who like the. first one to do it. Like Well, it was Do. we know? They think it was just like. cavemen by the fire and wolves would. come around and they'd killed something. and they'd throw them a bone. And the. the relationship became the wolves would. let them know if intruders were coming. >> Right. And then eventually they softened. to the point where they could like sleep. with these people. So they were like. household animals or at least stay.

around the house. And they trusted them. to protect their children. And then. you know, then they developed different. breeds that were better at like herding. sheep. Like cuz you got to think like. most wolves killed sheep. So all of a. sudden you could teach a dog to like. make sure the sheep don't get killed by. wolves, which is nuts. It's nuts. And. it's incredible to watch. >> Yeah. And watching dogs like bird dogs. Mhm. Yeah. >> of my favorite. And also like the canine. units, they blow my mind. Like the. things these dogs can do and the stamina. they have and.

Well, I think the biggest freak dog. that's ever been created is the Belgian. Malinois. Oh, yeah. That is a [ __ ]. crazy dog. When you see them run up. walls and fly through the air. >> like that's one of the dogs you like you. need to know what you're getting because. yeah. >> You need like a dude that can run with. this dog like. >> all day. And you can't leave them alone. And you can't like, hey man, can you. watch my dog? I'm going to be gone for a. week. Like nuh-uh. Uh-uh. [laughter]. Uh-uh. That [ __ ]. That dog's coming with you, [ __ ]. You need to. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, that dog needs activity. Yeah.

Have you ever seen the video of the. difference between the way a German. Shepherd approaches an assailant versus. a Belgian Malinois? No. So, they do. these drills where they have a bunch of. chairs in a room. >> Yeah. And uh the German Shepherd runs. around the chairs to try to get to the. guy who's got the bite suit on. The. Belgian Malinois goes over all the. chairs. Just like flies through the air, barely touching the chairs. Watch this. So, here's the Shepherd. See how the. Shepherd runs around and he tries He's. like, "I'm going to get you. I'm going. to get you." And he finds you and he.

bites you. Watch the Belgian Malinois. As soon as they let him go, he's like, "Fuck these chairs." Right [laughter]. over them. That's incredible. They're. just meat missiles. They're meat. missiles. Like they're designed to go. [ __ ] things up. That's their task all. day long and they're crazy smart. They're really smart. >> Oh, yeah. They look at you like a raptor. in Jurassic Park. They're like checking. you out. >> Yeah. What are we doing? Am I killing. you or are you just one of my my dad's. friends? >> perfect analogy. >> looking right at you like this. They're. like, "Oh.". >> And you're like, "Can I pet it?" "Or is.

he at work right now?" Yeah, he's. working. Yeah. Yeah, I don't ever pet. Mal- Malinois unless I know. for sure. >> Yeah. Cuz they're they're just That's a. working dog. It's a different thing. Same. You know? I mean, but it's also. kind of crazy that they figured out a. way to make a dog into that. Like How do How do you you make a dog. into my dog, which is like just a cuddle. but He just He just a cuddle bug. He. just wants to lie down with you. Like. today, we're watching TV. He just. cuddles up. He's like got his head in my. lap and I'm Oh, yeah.

>> petting him and we're watching TV. He's. like so happy. >> Used to be a wolf. The only one I think. about in my house that used to be a wolf. is my Chihuahua cuz she's the meanest. >> [laughter]. >> How ironic. >> wolf. That's so funny. But it's just so. crazy that they figured out a way to. make a wolf into a thing that protects. animals from wolves. Yeah. Nuts. >> I didn't think about it like that. I. mean, some of them are Have you ever. seen that What is that shepherd dog that. crazy giant one from Russia? What is that that that enor- What is it. called? Not from Russia.

It's like a mountain shepherd. It looks. like a werewolf. And it's got really crazy thick hair. because of the climate that it lives in. But it's like 200 lb. Like this enormous. thing that protects Caucasian Shepherd. >> That's it. Caucasian Shepherd. It. literally looks like a werewolf. Like. that werewolf that we have out front, American Werewolf in London. >> That's scary. >> That's what it looks like. And it just. protect Look at that. Oh, I've seen. those. I just didn't know what they were. called. >> Crazy. See if you can find one that's. doing bite work. >> that one looks sweet. Yeah, unless you.

break into the house. >> [laughter]. >> I mean, that thing's crazy. Google. Caucasian Shepherd. Training. Yeah, or bite. There it is. right there. >> Oh, wow. That does look like the thing. in the front. >> That's fake, but look at the side. That's one like pretending to. So, there's one that's doing bite work. though in that other image. That's the the word for them. It's like. a word uh ofcharka. Like that is a big-ass dog.

And that's another dog that they use to. um. to protect against wolves. Just look at the size of that sucker. I. mean, that thing's. >> huge. So, what are they doing here? >> Where are they? They're Russian? Uh they looks like they're transporting. it. training's uh YouTube channel. Oh, okay. They're training it. >> Yeah. Yeah. With a big bag of shitty dog food. Wolf. collars. That dog food that people buy. >> That stuff's so terrible. You do.

Farmer's Dog? >> Uh-huh. Me, too. Yeah. We started off. with uh another company called Maeve, which is great. It's frozen. But um the just the way he eats Farmer's. Dog, the way they eat it, it must taste. way better. And it's the same kind of. thing. It's real food. It's frozen. You. get it frozen. Thaw it out and feed it. to him. Like He when he when he's ready. to eat, They love it. he devours it. Devours it. I had to start that with my senior dogs. because they just had all kinds of. things, you know, and everybody had. elements and needed pills and everything.

else. And I was just like, "All right. We're just going to do the expensive dog. food." But I. I had three Pyrenees rescues, two golden. mixes, and like three littler dogs. I'm. like, "This is like $700 a batch. >> [laughter]. >> for all y'all to eat." Like So, I. started making it for a while, too. Like. I would just make like ground turkey and. vegetables. But I just Um but I just. couldn't keep up with it. So, I mean, Farmer's Dog is what I used to. Well, it's definitely way better than regular. dog food. Because way better Anything. that can sit on a shelf can't be good. for you. No. It just can't. It's filled.

with preservatives and that's not good. for dogs. >> living on Cheetos, I feel like, you. know? >> Exactly. Exactly. You can't. >> I want to eat them sometimes. [laughter]. I love them, but Yeah. Like if you were. stuck in a cabin for a week and you. couldn't get out and then there's an. unlimited supply of Cheetos in the. cabin, you're going to live. Right. But. you're not going to feel real good. >> No. >> [laughter]. >> You're not. You know what I was like, "What's on your rider?" I'm like, "Cheetos and Cheetos. Kind of all I. need." Is that it? That's your rider? [laughter]. Cheetos and Cheetos? That is hilarious. Some people have.

wacky riders. >> rider? Not much. I have I have like a. cheese tray, maybe, or Yeah, I have a. meat tray. A meat tray, um uh. When I was drinking, it was. uh we would definitely have like some. whiskey on there. And. uh maybe like a bottle of wine. But I don't really don't drink anymore. Not that I Yeah. This is like I wasn't an alcoholic. So, it's not like I can't drink. Like I had. a glass of wine with dinner the other. night. But it's not I don't drink.

anymore. Like I don't like We would I. would go to my comedy club with my. friends or we'd go on the road. I'd have. a couple of glasses of this and a couple. glasses of that and a margarita at. dinner and then the next day I'd feel. like [ __ ]. >> Mhm. And it wasn't ever like I couldn't stop. It was just I did And then one day I was. like, "I think I'm just going to stop for a. while and see how I feel." And I felt so. much better. So much better. Because I. was drinking like two or three nights a. week. Sometimes four. Go out to date on.

a date with my wife, I'd have a couple. of drinks. I'd go to the comedy club, have a couple of drinks. Maybe I'd have. a drink or two with someone in the. studio. Yeah. It just I mean, I feel. like that's show biz. I mean, it's just. part of it. Like it's part of our. culture. And like. we have to bring the party, too. That's. the other thing. Yep. How am I supposed. to bring the party if I'm not partying. with you? >> Right. >> You know? That's a problem. Yeah. Yeah, that's a problem. >> Especially in like the honky-tonk days. Like I came up in like. beer joints. Mhm. I'm talking about like.

dive bars, you know what I mean? And you. just start getting in it with people and. then and then you're on your day off, you're like, "Oh, we're going to have a. nice date and have a drink." You know. what I mean? It just It It's kind of. spirals. I know. But we I love it. I. love you, too. >> red wine. Like it's my favorite thing. >> Yeah. I don't hate drinking. I just hate how I. feel the next day. But like. I'm not, you know, I'd say I'll never do. it again. But for now, I'm not doing it. anymore. But I'll still have a drink or two. Not even two. [laughter] Not even two. I.

drink I couldn't even have a full glass. of wine the other night. I had like a. half glass of wine. I'm like, "We're. good." But like if somebody has a bottle. of Buffalo Trace and we're sitting. around talking [ __ ] I want to have a. couple of drinks. I might. You're just. giving yourself permission to. be wherever you are. I'm just trying to. be healthier. That's what it is. And I. recognize that like if I do all these. healthy things for my body, I work out. all the time, I eat so well, I take all. these vitamins, like why am I letting. myself get poisoned four nights a week? That seems stupid. Especially with my. lifestyle, it's like it's better like.

even if I just limit it to one night a. week, it's better. Mhm. But really, it's. better to just not. Yeah. The re- The. reality is it's not good for you. Well, I know, but it's fun. It is fun. >> [laughter]. >> It is fun. Getting a catching a buzz is. fun. Some of my favorite podcasts we've. ever done. Like when we do Protect Our. Parks, we get hammered. Yeah. They're. fun. Yeah, I bet. Yeah. I mean, these are People aren't. doing it cuz they're stupid. There's a. reason why they enjoy being drunk and. have for thousands. >> Thousands of years. [laughter] Thousands.

of years. I mean, it's probably. responsible for so many relationships. starting in the first place. So many. people meeting people. So many fun. friendships. A lot of the memories, too. It's like on the road, after the shows, like it's the Yeah. when everybody's. just really being themselves. Like It's. also a culturally acceptable drug that. most people know how to consume. I mean, they might do it wrong or they might get. too drunk or DUI or be an [ __ ] or. it's possible, but it's enough of a. normal thing that a a good percentage of.

people know when they've had enough. Right. And they know the right dose. You. know, you have a couple drinks, you're. like, "I'm good." Yeah. You know? You. know where you're at. Whereas. any other drug that you're trying today. is illegal. Yeah. And any other drug, it's like, "Who knows what's going to. happen?". >> Right. Yeah. And if you want to go next door, like really next door next door, I'm going down the street. >> Yeah. >> [laughter]. >> You can go down the street with whiskey. >> With a margarita. With whiskey, go to. another town. It's martinis. Like.

everybody knows like do not drink more. than two martinis. Are you an insane. person? Like you can't No one can do. that. Everyone should know it. Like I feel like that's what really. >> Bert Kreischer? Mhm. That [ __ ]. can put some martinis down. Really? Like. >> Yeah. I'm like, "Two's good." Like that's straight up. >> Well, you're smart. Just straight up. I. mean, and then have your glass of wine. Whatever you want. But you have to when. you see like you know, somebody sitting. at a bar by themselves at like 3:00 and. they're. and then they're you're like, "Dang, that's their third mar- That's their.

third martini. They're about to hit the. deck." And they're fine. I'm like, "Something's going to happen later. Something's going to happen later." They. probably do it all the time. That's the. thing. >> That's the Here's your sign. Yeah. Yeah. It's supposedly better for you, right? Isn't it? Like Do you drink Tito's like. a vodka martini is probably is is a gin. martini the same? >> know. I'm a Tito's and Topo gal. Tito's and Topo. They say that clear liquor is better for. you, right? Don't they say that? I don't. know. We've made excuses for every. single thing we want to do today. >> [laughter].

>> They say it's tequila is the best for. you. >> for us and it's good for the baby. Tequila is clear. It's awesome. It's. supposedly better for you, isn't it? Is there a reason why clear liquor is. like a real reason why clear liquor is. better? Less additives in it. There you. go. Less additives. That's it? Pretty sure. Yeah, I mean, even tequila has got you got to find the. good stuff. Right, but if you find the. good That's the other thing. I was. reading this thing about how much. tequila is fake. How much tequila is not really made with. agave? Is it a lot? >> That's a lot. A lot? Yeah. Yeah, and.

that will hurt your ass. I mean, tequila. will. Yeah. It's not forgiving. Yeah. >> If you abuse it. It's a certain kind of. drunk, too. >> Don't ask me how I know. Tequila is like. a shoot out with the cops drunk. >> [laughter]. >> Yeah, that's like I shot my TV with my. shotgun. It's a high-speed chase drunk. Tequila is just like, "Ooh, we're. drinking tequila. Yikes.". >> [laughter]. >> Like, you know, you just picture. yourself doing something definitely. incorrect. Yeah, it's a funny thing that I guess it.

makes sense though that music and in. comedy for a lot in in a lot of ways is. connected to drinking. Because drinking. like lowers inhibitions and it makes you. want to sing along and it makes you want. to dance and. maybe you don't feel like you got the. confidence to dance, but you get a. couple shots, [ __ ] it, let's get on the. dance floor. Woo. >> It's like raise your cup raise your cup, you know, it's just that's like the. That's it's just a it's like a feeling. and it's you're part of the party and. you're part of the song and you're part.

of the show and or whatever like what I. just think especially I think our I. think music and comedy are the most as. far as show business. Like you're not. you know, that people just feel like. that's something that they go there to. do. Right. Well, there're two things. that you have to go see live. You don't have to. I mean, you can just. listen to music in your phone and all. that stuff, but the reality is it's way. better if you're there live. Like live. going to see live music to me is like so. inspirational because I don't have any. skill at live music at all. I don't have.

any musical talent. I can't play any. instruments. So, it's just I don't ever. think like, "Huh, I wonder why they did. it that way?". I see where they're going with that. I. could just be entertained. That's great. And it's. I think music is a drug in and of itself. because it it. does something to your a great song does. something very powerful to you. Like. it'll make you feel powerful emotions or. powerful inspirations. It's like it does. something that nothing else does. In a weird weird way.

And it feels so good like when you have. a song that somebody comes up and says, "That song changed my life. That song. you know, I have one called Tulsa Built. Me that's like the one people come up to. me the most and they're like, "That's my. story." And it's I didn't write it. I'm. like, "But that's when I heard it, that's why. I was like, this is my story, too." And. those are the. And like as a songwriter when you write. a song like that that's. that's the ultimate like reminder like. this is why I do that. Like. it made somebody feel something. It made.

somebody get through something. It made. somebody. want to punch somebody. Whatever the. emotion is, as long as it brings out. emotion, we've done our job, right? >> Think of how many people you've done. that to. How nuts that is. Like you've. had so many hit songs. So, you've had so. many songs that resonated with people. where they all felt that feeling when. that song came on. Like, "Oh, it's my. song. It's my song. Turn it up.". >> like the feisty a lot of the feisty I. mean, I'm. I'm a little calmer now, but I used to. be quite the firecracker. Just pow pow.

pow pow. I mean, there's a reason I have. revolvers tattooed on my arm, but now. I'm shooting them off horses. [laughter]. Like just little like pistol. personality, I guess. And so like my. feisty songs, I mean, at every single. show. pretty much every single show there's a. girl fight in the pit. Every single one. Yeah, they just get riled up. They get. riled up. I'm telling you. They just get. I mean I wonder if you have more girl. fights than other female singers. I. don't know. I bet you do. If every.

single show you have a. >> Almost every show. I bet that's real. odd. Have you talked to other female. singers? Do they have similar stories? How many girls fight at your show? Yeah, you [laughter] should ask. You should. totally ask. >> cuz it's like towards this part where. it's like I call it my ramp up. It's. like. gunpowder and lead, little red wagon, mama's broken heart. And like they just. start getting riled up. >> Yeah, they [clears throat] think about. their ex. That [ __ ] Or he's. there and they're fighting. Like it's. just a lot. They have front row seats to. it. I'll stop if it gets real bad. I.

just stop and go, "Hey, y'all. We We you know, tone tone it down a. little bit." Really? Every show? Almost. every show. That's really odd, Miranda. I know. I think that's odd. I think that. it that might be a very specific. reaction that you have on people. Maybe. I need I mean, now and I'm pretty. calm now. I'm like, "It's all right. We. got some ballots coming up. Everybody. take a step. [laughter] Take a seat. Y'all settle down.". I think it's great. They're feeling something. Yeah. You. know? Bringing out emotion. Yeah, 100%.

Yeah, I bet it's great at the gym. >> [snorts]. >> Those songs. >> Yeah. They think about that [ __ ] they. punched at the concert and they're like, "Fuck that bitch." [laughter] And. they're on the elliptical machine. I. have a lot of those like, "Girl, you're. my bitch." Like those kind of girls that. are and I love it. I love that. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, you can't buy that. That's a weird. feeling. It is. Yeah, you have to earn. that feeling. You'll have to come to a. show that's like. one that I know for sure is going to be. one of those. I would love to. I would. love to. See you watch from the stage.

>> I loved you at the McConaughey event. It. was amazing. That's such a cool event, too. It's such a good event. And I love. I love all those boys and Jack and I've. been I mean, Jack Ingram's one of my. heroes from back in the day. Like he I. started watching him when I was 15 and. he had such charisma. And that's why I thought I want to do. that, you know. >> Oh, really? That's awesome. >> known him for a really long time. It's. such a cool thing when you're going to. an event like that and it's for a great. cause. So, everybody's like super. positive about why they're there. It's. not just to have fun. It's also it does.

like such an amazing service for people. It does and they do such a good job with. that show. It's put together so well. You know who blew me away at that show, too? Is Lucas. Yeah, he's great. I love him. He is great. >> But people are like, "Oh, it's Willie. Nelson's son." I'm like, "Oh, okay, that'll be cool." And then he he started. singing. I was like, "Holy shit.". Like this guy's [ __ ] great. Like he's. not just good. He's great. >> and he's a great guy. He's a sweetheart.

Super sweetheart. Yeah. You have got the had the pleasure of. getting to know him now. He's really. nice guy. A genuine nice guy. But god, can he sing? >> Like that dude is. great. >> when he really go leans into the soul. more soul stuff. It just makes him. shine. Like cuz it's just so different. than what people would think it was. going to be. Right. >> You know? Right. And his pipes. Yeah. I mean, the notes he hits, I WAS LIKE, "GOD.". AND when he goes for it, he like sings.

with his body. Like his whole body. Like. you know he's going for it and I love. it. >> Yeah. And he does this like I don't. know. It's going to hurt later in life, but he does this like back bend thing. >> [laughter]. >> Where like he's on his knees and he's. like bent all the way back playing a. guitar solo and I'm like, "God, how does. he do that? Is that adrenaline or what. is that?" Stretching. That's just stretching. Yeah, I could. probably do that like. a decade ago. Not now. I bet you could. >> [laughter]. >> I'm not going to try. Why? Well, not on. stage. Well, you must have core strength. to be on that horse when you're shooting. at things. You're stabilizing yourself.

>> Oh, I'm sure. Like I I ride so much. better when I'm doing like consistent. Pilates. I did Pilates once with my. wife. I was like, "Hey, oh yeah, it's. a lot harder. It's like yoga in a way. that like people think, 'Oh, yoga, you're just going to stretch.' Like, "No, no, no. Like go do it. It's [ __ ]. hard. It's hard." And Pilates is hard. I. was like, "Oh, this is weird. This is. using weird muscles." Yeah, like shaky. ones. Mhm, [laughter] like. Like you're like, "Why am I shaking?". Yeah, like stabilizing muscles. But it's. like a really good thing to balance out.

other stuff, you know? But that would. definitely improve your core strength. and allow you to be able to. When I first started riding, I was like. I'm still not great and I still have. fear, you know, on a horse. Like I'm. just not super comfortable all the time, you know, when we're going fast. So, I'm. just learning to work up to that, but. when I first started riding, I didn't. start riding a horse ever till I was 30. years old and. I wish I'd started at four when I was. fearless. You know what I mean? Like but. starting at 30 and like. getting on this giant animal and you.

don't know what you're doing. And my. trainer at the time was like, "You need. to do Pilates." And so I started Pilates. and it really helped me. Like it helped. helped me like stabilize myself a little. more. >> That's interesting. Your trainer told. you to do Pilates to help horse riding. She was my she was training my horses. and teaching me how to ride. She was. like, "You do not have core strength at. all. You need to go do Pilates." That's. interesting that you would choose that. Huh, I guess it makes sense. But I would. think that there's other stuff you could. do, too. Like those You ever see a what. a Bosu ball is? You know what those.

things are? Like standing on that ball. with a flat bottom to it where you like. balance. >> Yes, and they have this uh. it's like this saddle you sit on and. it's for that. Like in it it's like real. it's almost like one of those balls, but. it's a saddle you sit on. Like if you. were sitting on a yoga ball, but it's a. saddle. And it like like my shooting coach. Kenda, my friend Kenda, she'll tell me, "Get your gun belt on and get your guns. out and sit on your. Is that the yoga ball? The big one? The. big workout ball? Mhm. Sit on that and. shoot off that. Like when you're doing.

your drills or whatever. stabilize. It's. all just about stabilizing. You know, a lot I know a lot of people. that sit at their desk on one of those. Yeah, which is smart. I'm glad I don't have to sit at a desk. I don't think I'd do well. Well, I have. to sit at this desk, but these chairs, they keep you upright. These are really. good. They're good. They're they make. you sit correctly or at least encourage. you to sit correctly, rather than a. But when you started doing that when you. were 30, how long did it take for you to. start shooting guns off of a horse? >> started that last year. Oh, okay.

>> I just started. last year. I started I showed Gypsy. Vaners. They're like draft lazy draft. horses, kind of. Um I got into those cuz I was 30 and. like. I can't afford to get hurt. Like I'm on. the road all the time. So I wanted. something safe to learn on. Have you. fallen before? >> Oh yeah, fallen a hundred times. Really? >> Yeah. I mean, I I tried to do hunter. jumper. I thought I wanted to be. I was like I all excited. I'm like, I'm. going to be a cowgirl at 30 years old. I'm like, I'm going to finally be a.

cowgirl. I want to barrel race. Well, then I learned that that's I don't want. to barrel race. Which kind of the guns, it's patterns. and it's going faster on you. [clears throat] have to go around a. barrel. So kind of back to that, but. this old cowboy trainer where I got my. first horse, he was like, you need to go. take English lessons cuz you need your. fundamentals because you can't. you're not just going to get a western. saddle and act like you know what you're. doing. Go take lessons cuz English is so. proper. What is English lessons? >> English and like you know it's like the. hunter jumpers, like the and dressage. It's like the very proper Mhm. you know,

English riding is teaches you the. fundamentals. Look, I'm sitting up. straight or talking about it. Mhm. >> [laughter]. >> Um to where western is a lot more loose. And so it's taught me a lot taking. English lessons, but I thought I'd do. hunter jumper, which is like, you know, jumping over the poles. Right. And that's where I really hit the ground. a few times. Like I wasn't ready for. that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Just. it's been a cool journey. It's just I. mean, it's a lot to learn. It's a lot to learn. I'm I'm imagining. it's also like rough on the body, too.

>> Yeah. Yeah, it is. That's why I'm like give me your safest. my cool my horse. He is super safe. I just I don't. I want to learn really badly and I want. to grow and be better, but I don't want. to do it at a certain cost. Like Do you. enter competitions or anything? >> my Vaners for 10 years. What does that. mean? I just went to horse shows and. like. >> [laughter]. >> we were like. >> You said some words I don't understand. I showed my Vaners. >> That sounds. dirty when you say it back like that.

What's a Vaner? No, it's my Gypsy Vaners. are the kind of horses I have. >> Oh. >> went and showed them and um competitions. like. just English pleasure, western pleasure, like just riding around the rail and. it's about your technique and. Oh, okay. >> It's not like jumping or where So when. English it's just about being in control. of the horse? >> Yep, it's your technique. Yeah. Yeah. And then. And and then I got into the shooting and. I'm not going back. Are you going to do.

competitions with the shooting? >> one last year just just did like get my. first one out of the way. >> Yeah. And it was fun. It was a lot of I mean, scary scary as [ __ ] honestly. But like. all these girls I ride with are so good. Like they go a hundred miles an hour. Like I'll I got to show you Kenda. Like. she is. she is. >> of her? Yeah, she's amazing. >> What's her last name? Lansing. It's l a. n s e s i e n g. Google it. >> [laughter]. >> James James will find it.

>> She's amazing and they go so fast and. like. it's a timed I mean, it's a timed event, right? So you're competing just against. you. Really, like how how precise and how. fast you can go on your horse. >> So you have like a green light and then. you go like. do they how do they start you off? They. You do What do they say? They a flag. Oh, they drop a flag and then you go. And then you go. Oh. I didn't go that. fast. I did mine in like 28 seconds. She. does it in like.

eight seconds. Like seven seconds. >> Yeah. Oh my god. >> She's amazing, but but that's what it's. something to work towards like How many. times has she wiped out? Oh, she's broke. down as hell. >> [laughter]. >> She's broke down. She is cowgirl broke. down, but she's still going. She wiped. out so bad last year and just gets right. back on, keeps going. Riding in a cast, like it's cowgirl way. Riding in a cast. That's tough. >> tough. Yeah, people are built different. >> You got any videos? I just found it. Hold on.

Here we go. I want to see this. She's awesome. Cuz I saw that you were you were doing. that and I was like, that's bananas. But it looks like fun. It is fun. Do. they have one of those where they do bow. and arrow? They have bow and arrow. There she is. Oh, here she goes. >> They have. bow and arrows. Woo. Rifles. The rifles. are crazy. Imagine this lady running up. to you on a on a ranch with a pistol in. her hand. She is legit.

That's crazy. >> of my besties. Is there a high speed where they're not. showing it? Here it goes. Oh, wow. That's crazy. Oh man, [laughter] this is awesome. >> a literal never misses. >> Oh, now I get it. Okay, this looks like. fun. >> There's 83 patterns. So the horse never runs the same. Wait a minute. Um how is she shooting. that many times? It's five shots and a gun change. So. >> Oh, you have to change your gun.

>> change your gun. Yeah. >> So how many bull how many shots is it. total in one of these rounds where you. run? 10. 10. So okay, so you have 10. things. >> a highlight reel, but yeah. >> 10 shots. Yeah, so that's my bestie who's teaching. me how to do it. >> That's awesome. Well, that's how to. learn. She's awesome. Learn from a. psycho. >> [laughter]. >> Like you got to have a. serious clue screw loose to be good at. that. Wow. Oh my god. Look at this dude. Oh, this is her.

That's her and Charles. >> Wow. Oh, yeah. How about you, Kenda? 12. and zero a seven zero. I don't know what. those numbers mean, but it looks. awesome. It looks like fun. >> it's really fun. And it's uh. >> [snorts]. >> I don't know. It's a very country thing to be involved. in. >> what? >> [laughter]. >> Guess what, Joe? >> it's it's perfect. It's perfect for you.

>> about chickens. We talked about dogs. We. talked about guns on horses. Like. Archery, hunting. [laughter]. Uh fill in the blank. >> Titos and Titos. >> Yeah, exactly. That's a very but that's. a very country activity cuz it's not. just horse riding. It's a horse riding. with pistols. Yeah, I mean, come on. >> Yeah. I love it. I I it's it's funny but I. didn't know that that was such a big. thing. See if there's one where they do. it off with bows and arrows. I want to. see that. >> It's crazy. That's awesome. >> seen that in person, but the rifles.

like. >> Oh, rifles they do, too? >> with rifles and you don't have reins. Cuz you got you use two hands to shoot. the rifle. So like Right. >> with their legs. Whoa. >> Right? Right. And the horse is making. wild turns. So you have to have crazy. strength in your legs to keep you in. place. >> of pilates. Oh, yeah. So you can find. one where they're doing it bows and. arrows. Cuz I know that that's how the Mongols. did it. That's how the Comanches did it. They learned how to shoot while they. were they they learned how to time the. release of their arrow while the horse.

is in the air. So they had the least. amount of disturbance. What is this one? Epic Equestrian. Mounted Archery. But are they is this a competition? I. mean, I I don't know that there's many. of them. I don't know that there's a. >> Oh yeah, so they have targets. Yeah, but. this looks like a. >> [snorts]. >> British Horseback Archery. See, that's a. she's in a dressage saddle doing that. Oh yeah, look at this. The guy's got the crazy Mongol hat on, too.

Oh, that makes Look at that. That's cool. Is that your next hobby? No. >> [laughter]. >> I I don't [ __ ] with horses. It's just. >> I like them. I love them. I think. they're awesome. I don't want to ride. them. There you go. There's a whole. thing for it. Oh, that's cool. >> like a pattern. Yeah, so very similar. Similar kind of deal. Taran Tactical for. horses. >> Yeah, >> [laughter]. >> exactly. Exactly. Taran Tactical's [snorts] a tactical. range in California. We're going That's.

where Keanu Reeves learned how to shoot. guns. I used to go there when I lived in. California. You do like shooter ready? Dee and you go through a tactical. course. Dee ding dee ding That's what. they that's where we shoot out at in. Coaticook is um. it's bit called Ben Avery shooting. facility and it's like all of that. It's. any anything that can be shot shot. there. Mhm. So and they So Kenda had him. build a rodeo arena so we could. do our balloons. That would be the coolest thing to have. on your property. Have a tactical range. right on your property where you could.

shoot guns. >> and it's out there in the desert. So. like there's plenty of space to do all. the things. Well, that's what I was. thinking about that the shooting pistols. on the horses. Like when did they figure. out to not use bullets? Cuz it's like. they had to be a try. >> Something happened. >> [laughter]. >> Something happened. And the horses wear. earplugs, too, which is great. That's. they probably had to figure that out. later in life, too. >> Horses wear earplugs. But when did they. figure out how many people got shot. before they realized, "Hey, we probably. shouldn't be using real bullets to shoot. these balloons.". >> Yeah. Black powder might be a better. call. >> Because you got all those people in the.

audience and then you got someone on a. horse. It is. And she get she catches hell for it. People are like, "You can't be" She's. like, "It's spectator safe. It's safe. for the horses. Everybody wears. earplugs. It's black powder." Who gets. mad? People. Everybody wants to [ __ ]. about something. Right. You know. But. that's just how it's going to. >> You would know more than anyone. >> [laughter]. >> I don't need to tell you. You can't make everybody happy. It's. impossible. >> And you're always going to make someone. mad. As long as you realize that, you'll be. okay. And as long as you stay offline.

Yeah, stay off [laughter] that Tik Tok. Stay out of that river. That Tik Tok. river. Yeah. A lot of people drown in that river. Yeah. Yeah. Um anything else we want to talk about? Should we wrap this up? >> Yeah, I mean, we talked about every. country thing you talked about. basically. >> Listen, you're really fun to talk to. I. really enjoyed it. >> for having me on here. I really. appreciate it. >> And I love your music and I love your. personality, so it was really cool to. have you in here. And Well, come see us. on the road. >> I would love to. Are you ever in Austin,

sweetie? >> Antonio rodeo next year. >> When is that? What time? >> February. February? Oh, okay. So, like. in a couple of months. Okay. We'll try. to make it down for that. Are you ever. in Austin, though? I haven't played in. Austin in a long time. Really? I don't. know why. I'm here all the time and I don't know. I need to get that on the books. Okay. Well, I will come. I will definitely. come. >> you. Thank you. My pleasure. Um if anybody wants to go find you out. on the river On the river? social media. on the river I'm on all your social. media platforms. Miranda Lambert.com.

Okay. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody. >> [music].