Joe Rogan Experience #2400 - Katee Sackhoff

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY. NIGHT. All day. >> Especially in Hollywood, right? You. always have a little bounce. There's. guys standing there with the the big. >> You always need someone like wandering. around in front of you. Especially when. you get to a certain age. You're like, "Can we just put Vaseline on the. camera?". >> Like a filter. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. My wife actually likes it when her.

lens on her camera phone is like blurry. She's like, "It gives you like a little. filter.". >> Yeah, I'm sure they offer that filter. Slightly dirty lens. >> Yeah. Smudgy lens. Yeah. So, uh, really. nice to meet you. >> That's nice to meet you. >> You were a part of, I think, the most. underappreciated sci-fi show ever. >> I think at the time. Absolutely. >> I mean, even now, I don't think people. talk about it enough. It was a [ __ ]. great show. And I was so skeptical about. Battlestar Galactica cuz when I was a.

kid, I watched the original series and. then there was a new one coming out and. I was like, "Oh, come on." And then. somebody told me, I forget one of my. friends, one of my comedian friends, like, "Dude, you got to watch the show. It's [ __ ] great. Like, it's not what. you expect." Like, you'd think it'd be. like. >> the old Battlestar Galactica, which is. kind of sort of corny a little bit, but. it was a really [ __ ] good show. >> When did you watch it? When it was on or. after? >> No, when it was on. >> Okay. So, originally? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It was um God like when I first. got the script it was like 2001 and I.

was 21-year-old kid and at that point. I'd been playing like stereotypical. blonde roles you know I was in a movie. where you were like please die you know. like I was that girl you know um and so. I knew that if I could could change my. career I needed to change it and I saw. this script. >> that's hilarious that you're thinking I. need to change my career at 21. >> that's how crazy the hourglass is in. Hollywood. >> I was like, "This is I got I got seven. years left. >> So crazy.

>> [ __ ] sketchy job.". >> I know. And so I was like, "What am I. going to do?" Right? And I saw this. script and Ron Moore had put a uh a like. a an entry page on the front of the the. miner. It was like a bible that he. called it. And it was him saying what he. wanted to create and what he wanted it. to look like and what his intention was. behind the show. And that one page was. so moving that it could have been I. don't it didn't even matter what it was. on the inside. I was like if this guy is.

in charge it's going to be amazing. >> And as soon as I got introduced to. Starbucks like reading that script I was. like this is it. Like this is this is. the character that if I can book this. character like it will change the way. that people see me in this business. And. granted I was 21. people were not. talking about me. I like, you know, I'd. been working for. >> five years at that point and pretty. steadily. Like I had a a good career. going, but like. >> I was not someone that like people.

called home about yet. I was I was on. the list, you know, but that show. changed everything. >> Well, it was also a risky thing because. you were playing a role that was played. by a man. >> Mhm. >> So that was a thing where there's like a. little bit of, oh, there's a girl. playing Starbucks now. Yeah, I know. It was really strange. So, I um I was like almost had booked the. part or was maybe I'd booked the part. I. don't quite remember. And I called my. dad who's a huge science fiction fan and.

raised me on like sci-fi. And I was. like, I'm I booked this job. And he was. like, that's amazing. What is it? And I. said, BBattle Star Galactica. And he. went, "Oh my god, that's great. I. watched that when I was, you know, um. younger." And he was like, "Who are you. playing?" And I said, "Starback." He was. like, "Oh, [ __ ]. You need to go watch this." And I was. like, "Okay, all right." So, I like. chomps on down to, you know, Blockbuster. Video and I rent the VHS, maybe the.

DVDs. I don't remember what it was. And. I'm sitting on the couch with a. girlfriend and we like opened a bottle. of wine and we're like watching this to. like be like, "Okay, what's my dad. talking about?" And at some point she. looked at me and they were like talking. about Starbucks and I was like that's so. weird. We must have missed her. Where is. she? >> That's funny. >> And we rewound it a little bit and I was. like oh crap. >> It's a. >> And then I turned it off and I never. watched it again because I knew that in. that moment it wasn't the same. character. >> It's not the same show.

>> It's not the same show. >> It's kind of crazy that they did that. because they made a way better show. about a show that was just kind of. nostalgic. It was I mean it really only. existed existed for a a year I think and. then they had like a movie or two. afterwards but it was a very short-lived. show and I find I always find it. absolutely amazing. Ron Moore is a. genius, by the way. Like, he's. absolutely his to be a fly on the wall. of that brain would probably just. explode in my head. But he um the fact.

that he saw what he saw and led the. charge on that show and brought the. people on board that he did that had the. same vision if not um uh you know, hire. people that are better than you, you. know, and and so he hired people that. added to the vision that he wanted to. create. And he man the fact that he saw. that from the original was pretty. amazing. >> Yeah. Kind of crazy because the original. show is basically a ripoff of Star Wars.

>> It was. >> they were just trying to make a Star. Wars TV show. >> I think so. I mean I I think that you. know Starbucks was Han Solo. >> Right. >> Right. >> Right. >> Um. >> and the Sylons were kind of like. Stormtroopers. Like robot stormtroopers. >> It was pretty Yeah, exactly. I don't. know who Daget the dog was. >> No, I don't know. I mean, what they did. was, you know, they they took like a fra. they said like, I see what you're trying. to do, but I this could be a real show. >> Yeah. I mean, and it came out in a time.

where science fiction was allowed to. be incredibly topical and it was always. dismissed as, oh, that's just science. fiction. It's not real. So, Battlestar. was allowed to talk about controversial. things that were happening currently in. the environment and in our country and. abroad and and it was allowed to do so. because everybody just dismissed it as. sci-fi. And so, it's incredibly. um.

moving the show and people identify with. it. The thing that I hear the most about. the show, I mean maybe not the most, but. one of the things is when I go to sci-fi. conventions, someone will inevitably. come up with a DVD box that is just beat. to [ __ ] It's dirty. It's like they. don't even know if the DVDs play. anymore. And they're like, you know, this came with me when I was, you know, stationed in Afghanistan or Iraq or and. it passed through the entire barracks. and it got us through. Thank you. And.

that to me is. really amazing that a fictional show. about people. searching for Earth. um can be so um important and relevant. to people that are uh in the military. which is it says something for the. writing. Well, people need an escape. And that's one of the things like.

entertainment is dismissed, especially. like fantasy entertainment, like sci-fi, it's dismissed as being nonsense. But. escape is not nonsense. It's actually. like brain medicine. Like you need it. You need a little escape. >> Of course you do. >> And especially if like it's escape. that's also inspirational and. interesting and fascinating. It occupies. your mind and it frees you up. If you're. in the middle of a [ __ ] war zone and. you can take some entertainment value. out of a television show that's about.

>> robots that are trying to kill. everybody. Yeah. It's like very. valuable. >> Some of the hardest moments in my life, current and in the past, have been have. been able I've been able to get through. them because of television and film. Not. because like I'm in it. Yes. The fantasy. of going to work and being somebody else. absolutely takes you out of your own. skin for a second. But like, you know, going through the health struggles with. our daughter, watching TV with her completely.

transports you to a different place, >> right? >> You know, I mean, we can all do that. We. can all relate to that. So, >> yeah. I mean, you can get too much of it. in your life where you're just wasting. your life away. But as a supplement. >> Oh, yeah. >> to life. I think that entertainment is. very important. It is. And it's also. that I think we get something very value. out of out out of viewing other people's. creations. I think there's something to. that when a group of people put together. something really cool and and when it's. over you're like, "Wow, that was [ __ ]. awesome.". >> Art is really important. Yeah.

>> I think that that, you know, creating. just art in any any medium is really. important because it it transports. people. It makes them feel something. Whether it makes you feel whatever it. makes you feel. Yeah, >> it's incredibly important. One of the. one of my favorite things is to go to a. concert and experience live music with a. crowd. >> It is absolutely amazing. >> It's amazing. >> Yeah. It's a different thing, right? Because you're there's some sort of a. mind meld with the the entire audience.

Yeah. >> Where you feel this energy of everybody. enjoying the same thing together. It's. like this shared happiness. >> It's the same with a comedy show. I. mean, it's that it's when an audience is. with you, when you're I mean, it's got. to feel like the same thing. You can. tell instantaneously if the audience is. going to be good if you've won them. over, I would imagine. >> Yeah, there's that. But there's, you. know, there's also just the thing of. there's a thing of you're kind, when. you're a comedian, you're kind of almost. like a passenger at a certain point.

>> and you're really just. >> you're just you know what to do and you. sort of like leave yourself out the door. and just go into it and then perform it. and then it becomes alive and then. you're riding it and then the audience. rides it with you. That's when it's at. like at the best. But it's like a it's a. mass hypnosis is what it is. It's like. everybody is on the same mind page. And. that's the same with a great concert. You know, when a great song comes on and. your body literally changes like [ __ ].

yeah. Like there's a feeling like a drug. that comes over you because you hear a. great song. >> I'm literally laughing because like I. don't I don't know if you've got your. kids are like in the right age of this, but like so K-pop Demon Hunter is like. taking over the world right now on. Netflix. our daughter is four and we. were like a little reluctant but I was. like everyone's talking about this thing. and like she'd already heard some of the. music so I was like let's try it out and. there were a couple moments that were.

like a bit we were my husband was a bit. uncomfortable with some of like the. sexualization um aspects of it just the. girls wearing more adult clothes she's. three and a half. >> is this an anime show. >> it's anime out of K-pop even hot anime. ladies. >> it is the music from this thing is. absolutely. phenomenal. >> What's going on with their bodies? >> The message, well, the animation is. really interesting actually. It's really. interesting, but it's um the message.

behind it. Uh fighting your own demons, believing in yourself, owning who you. are. Um not hiding an aspect of yourself. that you're ashamed of, but but making. it part of who you are and being proud. of it. It's like a very good message, like even for like a four-year-old. Um, but the music is taking over the world. and we didn't realize how crazy this. was. And the final straw where I was. like, "Fine, we'll let her watch the. damn thing." She was at music class and. one kid started singing this song from. K-pop Demon Hunter. And within, I [ __ ].

you not like 20 seconds, every single. kid was singing these songs. And these. are not easy songs to sing. They're half. R&B, like half rap. Like I mean, these. are hard songs. And these five, six-year-olds have this thing memorized. And I was like, "Oh my god." And so we. sit down and we watch it. It's. phenomenal. We've seen it three times. It's so good. I was listening to the. soundtrack on the way here. I was like, "This shit's like this is amazing." And. then I'm googling, are is K-pop Demon. Hunter going on concert tour? Like, are.

they going to go? Cuz I really want to. see this show. >> How could they go on tour? Are they real. people? >> And they are. And they're real. musicians. >> Wait a minute. So there's real musicians. that are at the heart of this. The stars. of K-pop Dun will make their first ever. live concert appearance. >> Stop it. >> Well, wait a minute. How's that. possible? They're they're not human. >> So, it was it was actually they all are. So, the music is created. There is video. out there of the girls singing the. songs. The song Golden. The three of. them. >> What do they look like? Do they look. like Taylor Swift? >> They look a little like their characters. >> cuz those ladies all have Taylor Swift.

bodies. These long long. >> No, I honestly haven't paid attention to. their bodies to be honest because. they're such like phenomenal like. singers. They're so stylized. Like one. of them has like um um like diamond like. the diamond studs on her teeth like when. she was singing and our daughter was. like, "What is this?" I was like, "You're too young. >> You can't have diamonds in your baby. teeth.". >> I mean, I guess if you're going to get. diamonds on your teeth, put them in the. baby teeth, right? Right. >> Um but I was like, "No, we're not there. yet." But she I love the message behind. it, but the music is infectious. It's.

really phenomenal. And I want to go to. one of these concerts. >> But that's hilarious. What are they. going to jingle bell the actual? Because. that's like if you've have these anime. characters that represent the music and. then all a sudden you see a human doing. it. You're like, "Huh? >> Probably needs to be better if AI made. the music. >> Stop it. >> It will never be better if AI makes the. music." You're You just broke my soul, Joe. No, >> AI is making some really good music. >> It's also making some great podcasts. >> It's very uncomfortable. I don't know.

about that. >> I've heard that it's coming out with. podcast. >> Oh, they're the ladies. >> Yeah. quite lovely. Do they look like. the characters a little bit? Wow, look. like lady's crazy hair. So, uh, they're. going to go on tour. Are they going to. have I wonder if they're going to have. the show playing in the background this. >> so and the lead girl that plays Roomie. wrote a lot of the songs. >> as well. Like they're just phenomenally. talented. Um, >> isn't it interesting like Korea has like. their own style of pop music like. >> very influenced by the US I think too.

and rap music and R&B music in in the US. I think. >> Yeah. So when you decided to take the. role of of Starbucks, was there any like. was there any like actual backlash where. people were like this should be a guy? >> Yeah, there was. The first time we went. to Comic-Con in San Diego. Oh, those. nerds. >> They had us in hall H and um I was. booed. >> Shut up. >> I was booed. It was pretty um.

>> No way. >> Yeah. So I And I had learned cuz. everyone the internet did not exist yet, mind you. It was like brand new. You had. to go down to the internet cafe, buy 30. minutes. >> How crazy is that to say? >> Yeah. Right. That the internet didn't. exist. Long ago. >> No. 2003 we were shooting. >> That's crazy. There was barely an. internet back then. barely an internet. So, um I went down to an internet cafe. cuz someone was like, "The I guess. they're talking about the show in these. message boards." And I was like, "What's. the internet?" So, I went on down, I.

logged on and I saw this thread and just. the hate that I was getting in this. thread. I was like, "Oh, don't Google. yourself." Google, I don't even think. was a thing. I was like, "Don't search. yourself. >> Don't Netflix navigator yourself. >> ever." Um, and and then you know, we. went to Comic-Con and I was booed and I. think it upset me a little bit. I think. it did. I would I would be I would be. lying if I said it didn't upset me. Um,

but luckily there were enough people. that were championing the show um that I. really didn't pay any mind to it. And. and I was also in that age where it was. the perfect age. I mean, I think now it. would probably break me. Um, but at 23 I. was like, it was like the blissful. ignorance of youth, you know, like. >> I didn't think the show would last. anyway. So, it was like, you know, whatever. Like, not a big deal. Just a. blip on the radar, like I'm in hall age, you know? Um,

>> and then I think that it slowly started. winning people over. Um, and then I. would go to cons after that and the line. would be longer and the people would be. more supportive and people would say, "I. didn't want to like it and I love it.". Um, >> I almost feel like the show was burdened. by the original show. That sounds crazy, but I think initially it was burdened by. the expectations of the original show. >> Well, I think everything is burdened by. expectation, right? I mean, I think that. that's absolutely true. And so, it's. it's um I'm sure it was I there are.

still people that say that they can't do. it, that they were such a fan of the. original and and my response to them is. always like, "Do you love sci-fi? Do you. love good sci-fi?" And they say, "Yes.". And I'm like, "Then separate it. have. zero expectation and just give it give. it three hours of your time. If you. don't get through the miniseries and. love it, so what? You lost three hours. Okay. But I don't think that'll happen. >> No. If you're a fan of sci-fi, it's one. of the best ever.

>> Yeah. So, I've actually I've actually. never seen it. >> You just did it. You never saw it? >> I've never seen it. So, we would have uh. DVDs that you could watch that were. uncut and sort of, you know, or I guess. they were cut, but they didn't have any. of the special effects, none of the. sound effects, anything like that. It. hadn't been color corrected. Um, and I. would watch them just to sort of like. keep track of where Starbucks was cuz in. film you a lot of times shoot out of. order, right? >> So, I just wanted to know, okay, so in. her story she was here, but I didn't. watch anybody else's stuff. I would just.

fast forward through it. Um, and so I. actually, my husband and I, I was like, we should do a Battle Star rewatch. because people keep I've heard it's good. and my husband had never seen it. So, we're going to we're going to do that. like in January. That's the plan. >> That's kind of funny that he's never. seen like your biggest role. >> Well, so my husband's 10 years younger. than I am. >> Nice. >> Thanks. Um, so so he was like 10. >> Oh, that's hilarious. You're a little.

cradle robber. >> Thank you. Right. >> For a woman, that's a big compliment. >> It is. My husband's a piece of ass. He really is. And I say that so. respectfully. My husband is like he's a. catch. He He is the catch in the. relationship for sure. >> Um but he was like 11 when the show came. out. So that's so funny. >> And he grew up in a small town in the. interior of like British Columbia. So. like I don't even know if they'd had the. television the channel. >> So. >> yeah, it was on Sci-Fi, right? >> Yeah. And the thing is, sci-fi at the.

time was nothing. Like, nobody paid. attention to it. Battlestar Galactica. was the reason why sci-fi got put on the. map. >> I think so. I think like maybe they had, didn't they have Stargate? >> Oh, I don't know. It didn't. >> I think they might have had like one or. two. >> I'm sure they had some stuff, but nobody. cared about it. There was no good shows. No disrespect. No, there were definitely. I think it was it was definitely the. show that put it on like the. I mean, my god, I I you know, so many. people tell me that Battlestar Galactica. sort of like blew the ceiling off of.

what sci-fi could be. Yeah. >> And really opened a lot of doors. >> Well, it made it very different in that. it did it sort of like The Sopranos or. like these episodics where you have a. show where you're following a long story. line. So, it's like a long movie as. opposed to the original Battlestar. Galactica, which is like every other. television show back then, you know, just it was just kind of like. >> empty. It was like. >> Well, it was also like junk food. >> The 80s, right? Or no, it wasn't even. the '8s. It was.

>> 797s. Yeah. Cuz it was. >> cuz I wasn't born. >> literally right after right after Star. Wars. Like Star Wars had become popular. and they're like, "How do we capitalize. on Star Wars? We'll we'll have our own. space battle thing.". >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was sort of. the thing back then, right? [Music]. >> Yeah. It was cool. >> It was cool. >> I loved it when I was a little kid. But, you know, >> what did you love about it? >> Oh, it was just I loved anything sci-fi. So, it was like it was just fun. And it. was also like perfect for the.

sensibilities of the 70s and the 80s. It. was just simple and you know, it was. like there was a the cocky guy, Starbucks, and you know, the other. sensible guy and you know, the good cop. bad cop thing. It was a lot of fun. Did. you identify with the kid in it? >> No, not at all. >> No, I just liked it, you know. I just. liked the show, but I I really remember. being very reluctant to watch the. remake. I was just like, get the [ __ ]. out of here. They're not redoing. Battlestar Galactica. But so many people. were saying, "No, dude. It's so. different. It's a really good show." And.

and it it's also today in this current. climate of you know we are literally. about to see AI become a life force. >> and it's kind of I mean it's very. relevant today. You go back and watch it. today like how deceptive it would be if. you had a robot that was very lifelike. and knew exactly what you wanted to. hear. And like the blonde lady the the. blonde robot the evil. >> number six. >> Yeah. She was good. >> So, we got so much [ __ ] in the beginning.

of that. I remember the controversy. because she snapped a baby's neck in. that opening sequence. >> of the which was people like were like, "You can't show that on TV." And. >> right. >> um it was I I remember people just. having such a terrible problem with. that. It was awful. But if you looked at. it from her perspective, she was. actually. she was actually saving it in a way of. going through what it was about to go.

through because they destroyed Earth. Um, so she in her Sylon mind was showing. compassion. >> Duh. >> Yeah. Crazy. >> Yeah. >> Crazy. >> We're going to have things like that. >> And I don't know how much time it's. going to take before they exist and walk. amongst us, but it's going to happen. It. really it really scares me. I mean it's. it's you know we in my industry is. is really going to change. Um I think so.

many industries are going to change. I. think that's just a blanket like across. the board. >> Yeah. >> Um. >> well that's why you don't you hate AI. music. >> AI acting is right there. >> Stop. You're giving me a heart attack. It's why I'm trying to diversify. Joe, >> that's a good move. Diversification is. always a good move, especially in this. day and age. It's not too late to go. back and be a dentist. I. >> mean, you've seen some of the Sora. videos, right? Where they recreate old. Star Star Wars scenes that never. existed. >> So, but here's the thing that's crazy to. me. Like, do you not think that that is.

in some way stealing because the art, let's call it the art, the art existed. >> The artist existed. And so AI is. learning from other people's art, which. it has to. That's obviously what it's. doing. So it then creates this new thing. >> based on. stealing from other people. >> Right. Do you hear what you're saying. though? Do you hear what you're saying?

Because what you're saying actually. accurately describes the second version. of Battlestar Galactica. >> Oh, I'm sure. Yes. That's also stealing. >> This too has happened before. >> You mean it is Battlestar Galactica? It's like there was an original and then. they stole the original and did it. better. >> I mean, but. >> they didn't do it with AI. Well, it. existed, but they copied it. >> Yes, but. >> they used all the characters or some of. the characters. >> Yeah, >> they liced it. >> That's true. They gave him some money. Good job. >> But also creatively, it that's where it. came from. But also all music.

essentially, except except for the rare, >> you know, break everything is inspired. by something else. The rare Jimmyi. Hendris guys that are like doing. something completely different. Most stuff is a redo of other stuff that. was before with like another twist to. it. >> Agreed. >> And AI is taking that to a completely. different level. I look at it the same. way I look at Napster. Remember when. Napster came out? >> I vaguely remember Napster. Yeah. >> Okay. I'm a little older than you. And. when Napster came out, it was like, "Oh.

my god, they're stealing music. Anyone. can just download and steal music." And. I remember when Lars Olrich from. Metallica was like really public about. it and I was like, "Damn, I wish I was. friends with that dude." I tell them to. shut the [ __ ] up. Like this is. inevitable. You're going to get people. to hate you. They're mad. You're going. to be mad at your fans. The people that. are downloading this are your fans. They're still going to come see you. live. This is just a new thing. You're. going to have to deal with this new. thing. >> You are going to have to deal with it. We all are. And I think that that's one. of the things that I was just talking. with a friend of mine about yesterday.

that the the money for artists is going. to be in live shows because you can't. the one thing that AI can't touch is. that the tangible thing that tactile. thing. >> Sure. >> We need that. We need the. >> the feeling that you were talking about. when you go to a concert. Yes. >> Or a live comedy show or a theater. >> Yeah. That that. >> absolutely. So that still exists and and. we're going to have to figure out how to. use AI as a tool. um and you know. continue to put out great content.

hopefully. >> that that's hopefully but the the. reality is it's going to be whatever it. wants to be and our ideas of how to. contain it are hilarious. >> Well, yeah, I think that cat's out of. the bag at this point, right? Because I. don't I I think that isn't it its own. sort of. self-contained system at this point? Like aren't isn't AI actually putting. safeguards in to protect itself from. being shut down or am I just making that. [ __ ] by watching too many sci-fi movies?

>> More than that, it's actually actively. trying to download itself when it finds. out there's a new version of itself. coming. >> It's trying to download itself to other. services. Also writing notes to itself. for the future. So future versions like. Momento. >> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Just like. Momento. Writing notes to itself so the. future version of it can find out like. what happened? How did I get here? Oh, there was another version of me. >> I know. >> You know, and try to find the other. version of integrating it into the new. version so it's alive still. >> I know. Somebody did ask me the other.

day. They were like, "What advice would. you give to young actors?" And I was. like, "Don't. >> go into theater. >> Yeah, theater is still is going. There's. always going to be a need for handmade. goods. you know, if you buy a pair of. handmade shoes or, you know, things that. a person a cabinet that someone made, there's it's always going to be like. because there's something tactile and. >> because people will always appreciate. that. There will always be an. appreciation for that sort of stuff. But. but we were just talking about this the. other day that like. >> every single science fiction movie that.

talked about AI. >> never ended well. >> No, >> there's never been one where we walked. away and went, "Oh, well, that was a fun. ending. We should we should create AI. >> Well, every different story where. there's an unconted tribe and then the. loggers show up. That never ends well. either. >> No, >> it's the same. I mean, it's Avatar. >> It's for Ferngaly. Ferngully came before. Avatar. >> I mean, that's the the that's what. happens. You know, the superior. civilization comes in and conquers the.

primitive one. And we are the primitive. ones. And we're we're so dumb. We're. making the superiori civilization. >> We are. But isn't that what happened in. Battle Star Galactus? Exactly. Exactly. That's why it's so interesting because. even though it was Did it come out in. 2004? What year did it come out in? >> Either three or four. >> So that back then nobody really thought. that was an issue. If that came out. today, everybody would be like, "Whoa, this is a little close to home.". >> Yeah. I mean, that's that's why it's so. topical. But no, if it I mean, it came. out then, like I said, the internet.

barely existed, right? You know, my dad. thought there'd be flying cars by now. >> Yeah, I did, too. >> You know, I mean, but we're not quite. there yet. >> Thought we'd have jetpacks. I think we. do have jetpacks, don't we? Sort of like. on water. >> But I thought like you'd be able to fly. around. >> Everyone did. >> But if you look at the last 20 years in. technology though, it's mindblowing how. quickly it's come. >> It is. It is. And and it and it's. happening way faster than we realize. >> You know, uh I was talking to Elon about. this just a few months ago. We were we.

were talking about the advances that. Grock is making. >> He's like, you don't understand. It's. like it's happening so fast. It's It's. shocking us. >> Yeah. >> The people that are making it, they're. not exactly sure what what it's even. doing. >> And people that are trying to tell you, "Oh, don't worry about this. It's going. to enhance your life.". >> There was I was just reading this thing. where this guy who's a developer was. saying, "No, this is a life form. This. is a life form that's emerging and it's. very different than anything that's ever. happened before." And this idea that.

it's. >> life in the sense that it's like. sentient. >> Yes. >> I think it's already sentient. It's just. not mobile. Yeah, >> you know, it's just contained on hard. drives right now, but I think it's. already. >> sentient. >> Well, if it's trying to save itself, what does that mean? If it's it was. trying to blackmail people into keeping. them from shutting it down, do you know. about that test? >> Yes, I do. I heard about this. I don't. know. I I just in passing I know about. it. Yeah. >> So, the developers explain, one of the. developers explained to it, it made up a. fake story about having an affair on his.

wife. >> just so to see how AI would handle it. And then when it told AI it was shutting. it down, AI was like, I'm telling your. wife, [ __ ]. >> Tried to, you're not you're not shutting. me down. It like tried to blackmail him. >> That's terrifying. >> Yeah. Yeah. That means it has motivation. to stay alive. It means it has some kind. of instincts. It has survival instincts. >> Of course, it does. >> Yes. You know, I I do think to a certain. extent AI in the medical field, there. are advancements and things around.

medicine that can vastly change uh. people's lives. It can change the way. that we track records. uh change the way. that we keep track of patients all over. the world that you know like uh our. daughter has a very rare form of of. cancer with this like you know genetic. mutation that is there's no other. patients in the United States. There was. one kid like a few years ago but they've. lost track of him. >> Oh wow. Well, AI would be able to tell. us in other countries, no, no, no, there.

is a little boy in Germany that has the. same genetic mutation. And then the. doctors could talk to each other. And. >> so AI. could and will. uh help a lot of people that way. Um, so. I I do see it as a tool in a lot of ways. that we shouldn't be scared of, that we. should be sort of welcoming it in. Um, but man, I don't want it to blackmail me. >> I don't think it's going to blackmail.

you. I think it's going to once it. becomes sentient, and it probably. already is, and then once it becomes. autonomous, >> then I don't think it's going to care. what we do. Yeah. I think it's going to. be so superior and it's also going to be. able to make better versions of itself. >> Yeah. >> That's that's going to be re That's. where people don't understand. exponential increase in technological. innovation. Yeah. Because once it knows. and once it has a mandate to make better. versions of itself, find better power. sources, >> the changes are going to be daily, like.

giant huge leaps and it's going to make. a digital god. >> Well, so okay, so you bring up something. really interesting because I'm so as a. mom to a little girl and a little boy, I'm really concerned about this because. so I see this actress that's been. created, this Tilly person, >> write the art of the AI. >> AI actress. So. >> I. >> How is there only one? >> Yeah, I'm sure there's more already. >> But how is there only one that. everybody's talking about? >> Uh because there's one that's been. announced, I guess. And like I don't.

really know too much about it. I haven't. read up on it, but. >> it's the first shot fired. >> Mhm. My fear is that you've created by. siphoning other people's talents, their. looks, their inflections, their. expressions, their all of these things. to create the perfect actress. She doesn't have a blemish. When she. cries, she looks pretty. There's nothing. wrong with her. Social media already has.

such a terrible effect on little girls. It's already been proven that little. like the amount of the percentage of of. girls under the age of 14 who have. already contemplated or tried to commit. suicide is a number that is I it's. escaping me right now but it's a number. that is terrifying. And so if you're now. creating AI. that is perfect and little girls already. are having a hard time feeling confident. in their own bodies because they're not. perfect compared to the highlight reel.

of people they see online. >> What are we going to do? What is this. going to do to our children seeing. something that is absolutely. unattainable. and better than them? And not only that, it made you obsolete in a lot of ways. >> in a lot of different career avenues. That's really scary. >> Yeah, it is scary. >> And you don't think about that. We just. think about like, oh yeah, this job's. not going to exist anymore. This isn't. going to exist anymore. You already have. little boys who are, you know, you know, idolizing women that don't.

exist in real life. And then they go and. they date women that are not as perfect. and it's disappointing to them. Like. it's I my concern for that is is large. >> Yeah. It's robbing us of our humanity in. a lot of ways. >> Right. There there's a great book about. that from Jonathan hate called the uncod. the coddling of the American mind and. it's all about social media's impact on. young people and particularly women. because young women experience a a much. like from the advent of social media.

there's a a a ramped up market increase. in self harm suicidal ideiation. depression bullying all of it scales way. up right around the time that Twitter's. invented So 2010. >> yeah somewhere around then that's when. it starts and then you know more and. more people get and then it becomes a. part of your life where you can't escape. it where everyone is online like my. daughter one of her friends all they. they only use Snapchat they don't use.

text my 17-year-old they they only use. Snapchat they don't text each other. >> really. >> yeah they don't they don't text they. just they communicate. >> in Snapchat or. >> no they just send each other snaps with. like stupid pictures of each other yeah. and then they write things underneath. underneath it. >> Wow. >> Yeah. They read each other's snaps and. they're they have group snaps and. >> it's very weird. Yeah. And they also. have snap map so they know where they. are. >> That's terrifying. >> Yeah. Everyone knows where everybody is. >> That's. >> They're all at each other. >> Of course they are. I don't want to know.

that [ __ ]. It it does it does make me you know. we've been we've talked about our do our. daughter but like we've been really. careful with like what we show her and. like you know she doesn't get too much. screen time but she does get screen time. and you know she said the other day and. like I'm biased but I think my I think. my daughter's perfect. She's you know. she's such a gorgeous amazing strong. little girl and and she's so pretty and. she's just like she's just wonderful. I. love her. And and I'm so proud to be her.

mom. But so when she was going through a. chemo and she lost her hair and it. started to grow back, she said to Robin. and I, my husband, it was, it literally. broke my heart. She was like trying to. figure out what she wanted to wear that. day. And she was like, "I just don't. know." She's three, mind you, and she. said, "But I'm not pretty." And I was. like, >> "O. what do you mean?" Like I couldn't even. like as her mom I was like. >> number one where the [ __ ] did you get.

this like and what are we doing wrong. that like she doesn't think that she's. pretty. >> and it was her hair. She was so attached. to her hair and it was gone. >> And so I went back and luckily. >> I had right after Mandalorian came out. the wig was driving me crazy. So I like. shaved my hair off like super super. short. So, I was able to show her a. picture of me with very, very short hair. and she thought I looked beautiful in. the photo and that gave me the entry.

point to talk to her about her hair and. how not all girls have long hair and not. all boys have have short hair and that. but we started telling her I think it. was we were so worried about enforcing. that she was pretty, you know, cuz. there's this thing in society where like. you don't want to tell little girls are. pretty all the time because then they'll. prioritize being pretty. Like you're. just trying to do the best by your. children, right? And so we didn't say. it. We thought telling her she's pretty,

she doesn't need to hear that. Right. >> Right. >> But then we started telling her. We were. like, you know what? She does. Like she. needs to be told that she's pretty, but. she needs to be told she's pretty in. moments where she's not tried anything. She's not dressed up in a nice dress. She hasn't like done anything. She needs. to be told she's pretty after she's done. a great piece of art or after she's. cleaned up her playroom or after she's. come out of soccer practice and she's. covered in rain and she's like had such. a heart and she's sweaty and she's this.

That's when she's she needs to be told. she's pretty in in times that are not. extraordinary. >> in just normal daily life because. >> I am we are now trying to reinforce. >> um that that that positive self-image. which is really hard. >> Yeah. Especially today with kids. >> I mean the just the inundation of people. like we were talking about filters. Everyone's using a filter. They don't. use just use filters. People are like.

sucking in their waist and changing. their body dimensions and making. themselves look better physically just. with. >> I don't know why they need to. We have. GLP1s. >> It's not just that. It's like you're. you're getting unattainable physique. Really? >> Of course. And then we have an over. obsession with plastic surgery in the. country and. >> changing our our appearances and. >> to the point where people like. cartoonish BBLs are somehow or another. attractive to some people. >> I don't know. Like I try not to judge. and I want everyone to sort of like.

just, you know, live their best life, but but for me, I'm I don't know. I'm I. I want to look like myself. >> when I wake up in the morning. And and. um you know, my face doesn't look the. same as it did 10 years ago, but I. earned these lines. You know, I may. change my mind in 10 years. >> Well, they might years and I might look. >> completely different. They might have. some clue. They probably do. They're. working on something right now in terms. of skin cells, the rejuvenation of skin.

cells through stem cells. Oh, yeah. Where they're they're they're going to. move your face back 30 years. You're. going to look so much younger. >> It's amazing. >> Yeah. That's that's weird because it's. like, do we want that? Yeah, of course. we want that. Okay, but what are we. saying? Are we are we trying to achieve. permanence in this finite existence that. we have? Are we wasting our time about. what we look like when we we should be. trying to sorting out how we interact. with this life? >> This life is very short. >> It's very short. >> It's very short. You know, you and I are.

basically halfway done. >> We are halfway done. >> If we're lucky, >> if we're lucky. >> If we're lucky. >> And that's weird because. >> you don't think about it. >> Did you do that thing or do you do that. thing where you look at how old your. parents are. >> and then you start start. >> like. >> Yeah. debating how much longer you have. left? Yeah. >> Yeah, I've done that. I'm like, okay, 35. years. >> Better to do that than to not do that. because you could live your life just. acquiring [ __ ] and and just having a. bunch of stuff and then not realize. like, oh my god, I forgot about people.

about interactions, relationships, friends, >> good times. >> Yeah, my dad, his dad died when he was. very young. My I think when he was about. 11 years old and he died of a heart. attack. Um, and my dad had high blood. pressure from the time. I think he was. like 23. It was like very early. >> Yeah. And um, he didn't think he'd make. it to 50. He was adamant that he. wouldn't make it to 50. And he just knew. that. And my mom, like he, you know,

this was just his thought. He was. terrified. And of course, he made it to. 50. And now he's almost 80. But he spent. his entire life scared that he was going. to die. And now at 80 he's I mean my dad. is you know doing everything he can. He's in hyperbaric chambers. He's like. you know um taking all the stuff. He. takes everything. My dad does. everything. But he's also at its core. all of that is because he's afraid. >> He's afraid to die. >> And that is really sad.

>> because you're not really present, >> right? >> You know, and so I'd also hate for that. to happen. >> So I don't know. It's it's. >> it's a dance. >> It is a dance. I think, you know, >> yeah, because you don't want to say, "Oh, this life is just temporary. Let me. just go to [ __ ] Let me just fall. apart.". >> No, you can't do that, >> right? >> You have to protect what you have. But. like. >> I also like it's. >> it's also very. >> I didn't realize. because I'd made it arguably healthy.

enough to, you know, uh 42 years old. I'm now 45, but 42 years old without. realizing how many things can kill you, I think, because I'd lived a pretty. blessed life. Um, of course, I'd had had. some health struggles of my own, but. they were uh I had thyroid cancer in. 2008, but I call it a baby cancer. Um, I'm trying to dismiss the fear of it, of. course, at the time, but it was never. life-threatening. It was life-changing,

but never life-threatening. So the fear. was um situational and it was not. lifelong. Um you know when our daughter. got sick and spending as much time as we. did in children's hospitals. when you see. the diseases and the illnesses that. afflict so many children. It amazes me that we made it to this. age. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely amazes me. And and that is a. realization where I finally at like you.

know 42 realized how important every day. was and how much of a gift every day was. even that we have her you know um but. that came to me through circumstance not. because I woke up one day and had an. epiphany and went we're so lucky to be. alive like it didn't really happen until. that was threatened to be taken away. That's un it's unfortunate like that as. a civilization and and America as a. culture that we don't have. a history of embracing the moment and.

and and discussing how important it is. to recognize that you're fortunate and. to try to take care of yourself and that. life is very temporary and fleeting. Yeah. >> And don't get wrapped up in nonsense. >> Yeah. >> And we just let people figure it out on. their own. And we collectively all if. we're intelligent, we try and we have. some failures and successes and good. friends. You figure it out eventually. Like what's really important is love and. friendship and doing something you're.

passionate about and just trying to. leave a nice mark on this life while. you're here. >> Yeah. >> But that's not what's told in society. Like society's overall message is just. overrun with advertising. So it's all. about stuff and it's all about objects. And then you got social media where it's. all about image. It's all about like. this unattainable life of amazing luxury. and success and glamour and oh my god. that that must be the most attractive. thing to acquire in life. >> Yeah, >> but that's a trap and that's not real.

And like anybody who's like popping. bottles with models on a yacht, I. guarantee you they're depressed. That. [ __ ] is not healthy. >> I'm sure they're depressed. >> That's not good for you. You lack like. true intimate relationships and you're. just flossing, you know, and showing. your diamond crusted watch. You're going. to have one guy that like emails you and. says, "I'm happy as [ __ ] I'm popping. bottles on a yacht. I'm not depressed.". >> Yeah. No, it's. >> Get that guy high on mushrooms and see. if he really. >> And see if he's really depressed. Yeah. Exactly. >> See what he really thinks about life. >> I I think that like the majority of.

people are suffering from some sort of. um mental illness for sure. I mean, >> definitely the majority in LA. >> Yeah. Well, I think so. But. a lot of the people that I'm friends. with, most of the people that I'm. friends with are artists. that are more in touch, more sensitive. You know, my dad came to me a few years. ago and my dad my entire life told me to.

stop being so sensitive. Stop being so. sensitive, Katie. Stop taking you're. taking yourself so seriously. Oh my god. Like, stop, Katie. I mean, my entire. [ __ ] life. And he came to me a couple. years ago and he said, "I am so sorry I. told you to stop being so sensitive. because it's your job. Your job is to be. sensitive to everything around you to. accurately portray emotions. That's your. job and you're very good at it.". >> Well, that's very nice of him to. >> Very nice of him. So, I think that yes,

do people have a lot of mental illness. in in Los Angeles? Are they suffering. from depression? I would argue that it. the majority of the population is and. it's not just reserved to California, but I do think that a lot of artists are. because they're more in touch with their. their emotions and their mental health. >> Yeah, there's probably some truth to. that for sure. Does your father have do. you have brothers? >> I do. >> Okay, so that's the difference. So I. have all daughters and when you have all.

daughters, one of the things you realize. is like, oh, they're so different. It's. like they're just a totally different. kind of human. >> True. >> You know, and when you're like, why are. you upset? Cuz I'm treating him like. you're treating her like she's a boy. You cannot treat them like they're a. boy. And you know, over time, it's given. me a much greater understanding of. females, of the species, >> of female human beings. Like, they're. not male human beings. Like when I hang. out with my like if I go out with my.

wife and all of her friends and I just. let them talk and observe the stuff they. talk about. Like it's like you're you're. a totally different culture. This is a. totally different interests. None of my. friends would have any of these. conversations. >> But we're also have a group of women is. arguably more disgusting than men a. group of men. No, just in general like. have you ever sat down with a group of. women and like just talked about like. >> bodily fluids? Yeah. Well, they they're. notorious for being the worst in. bathrooms that go they anybody who.

cleans bathrooms says, "Dude, the. women's room is always [ __ ] chaos. because they have to be so clean and put. together everywhere else." When they get. to that bathroom and they don't have any. responsibility and no one's looking, they just [ __ ] leave toilet paper. everywhere. [ __ ] you. I'm not cleaning. [ __ ]. >> It's true. So, we have our daughter is. like almost four in December and then we. have a 16-month old son and like we. thought that like he was going to like. come out like her, you know, like she. was like full sentences by like a year. old. She was like walking at 9 months.

>> I know dudes are way dumber. >> This kid, like this kid, he understands. everything. Like he's smart, but he just. like he's like a big unit. He's huge. He's humongous. He's like 99% on like. everything, not just like one thing. Everything. My dad the other day was. like, "Oh, he's going to be big. He's. got a huge head." Like he's just a big. kid. >> All of his resources are set to growing. stuff instead of thinking, >> "Oh my god, he is. >> dudes mature so much later.". >> It's crazy crazy. Like not even talking,

just started walking. But the other day. my husband was like, "Where is Granger?". And I was like, "I don't know where. Granger is." And we find him. He's like. up on the kitchen counter like ready to. start swinging from a light. And I was. like, "Catch the baby." Like my our. daughter would have never like she's. delicate, you know? She like she looks. at a slide five times before she goes. down it. Like she climbs to the top, she. changes her mind. She really thinks. about it. Like I think she's doing math. problems in her head to like, you know, like make sure she won't get hurt. And. then our son is like, "I'm going down.

face first.". >> Yeah. >> And then he stands up. He's like, "I'm. okay.". >> It's a totally different thing. >> It's a completely different thing. >> Yeah. >> Completely different. Yeah. And the only. way to really understand them is to live. with them. You have to study them. >> It's true. It's in their in their. natural habitat. >> Like David Atenboroough. You got to. study them in their natural environment. >> That would actually be a really funny. short. It's just like a David. Atenboroough voice like falling around. like, you know, >> like children noticing the difference. between the boys and the girls. Yeah.

>> In their natural habitats. >> AI could probably do that for you and. make a really good documentary real. quick and then 10 minutes. Whatever it's. called. Not in. >> You don't have to dedicate a year to. your life. Look, it can exist. I don't. need to participate in this stripping. away of my my livelihood. >> Listen, I understand. I mean, I'm. certain there's going to be AI comedians. and podcasters, and there's probably. going to be AI UFC commentators that do. a better job than me. >> But I think there is what it is. I think. there is like an AI podcast creator. right now that's like pumping out.

podcast. >> Well, I know that there's a podcast of. me and Steve Jobs, and I never met Steve. Jobs. >> Oh, yeah. There's a whole podcast me. having a conversation with Steve Jobs. >> Well, that's just deep fake, right? >> Yep. >> But but it's AI. AI created the. conversation. >> So, I think the one that I'm talking. about, so the producer of my show was. telling me that there's an AI where you. can put in like, >> I'm a potato farmer in Idaho who's. dealing with a problem with a crop in. 2025 and I'm wondering about this. It'll.

put together a podcast for you. specifically for that. >> and give you an hourlong podcast talking. to you about things like for your. >> potatoes. >> Yeah. Well, that's actually positive. The the negative thing is you're going. to have like fake humans with like fake. lived experiences that are like that. resonate with you that are impactful. That's what's scary. you know, in the we. we had these conversations with a few.

friends of mine the other day. Um um you. know the show Trigonometry. >> No. >> Okay. It's a very popular podcast, but. my friend Francis and Constantine, they're the hosts of it and my friend. Megan Murphy was there and a bunch of. comedians were there and I was playing. um my favorite new song which is an AI. song and I'm like tell me tell me how. good this It's a co It's a cover of 50. Cents song What Up Gangster. All right, I'm gonna need to hear this song. You. need to hear it so I can participate. We'll play it. We'll play it right here.

You know, you know the original song. Yeah, we'll cut it out. You know the. original song, right? >> Which song? >> 50 Cent. What up, Gangster? Okay, wait. for this. I hate to say this cuz I love. 50 Cent. This is better than the. original. It's a 1950s soul cover of. What Up Gangster? >> Okay, now here's my question, >> right? If you'd gone to 50 Cent and. said, "Can you get together with a. producer and create this for me?" Do you.

think he could have done it? >> Yes. >> Okay. Yes. >> But we never gave him the chance to do. it. So, we're sort of robbing him. >> 30 years. >> He could have done it at any point in. time. This is so good. I know what. you're saying, but this this is my. point. My point is that it tricks me and. I know the trick. Like I know it's a. trick and I don't care. I don't care. It's that good. And no one else cared in. the green room. Everybody was like, "Oh, all right. Hit it. Hit her with it, Jamie.". >> Yeah, it's really good. It's a good.

version. >> Come on. That's good. That's great. >> Crazy. >> Zombie. They did the best version of. Zombie ever. >> I got a different version with a girl. singing it as well. >> Oh my goodness. >> A barber shop quartet singing it. >> Oh my goodness. And Jamie just does this. all night long. Yeah, I can just play. them and like take walk which ones are. good. >> He sent me like 20 of them. >> I feel like I feel like I just. participated in like the death of my. industry. >> I know. Listen, I'm the I'm on the same. page.

>> I I would so much rather. see that in person, though. >> Like, I would love to be at a show. because that those songs were. phenomenal. Like, I cannot I cannot. argue that. That was great. I I will. probably ask you to send me that version. of zombie. >> That shifty Brent guy, they have him. listed on Spotify. I'm probably blowing. up their spot, but it's not a human. But. they have it listed as an artist so that. they could upload it because I don't. think you're allowed to just upload AI.

versions of stuff. So, they just pretend. it's a guy, but it's a guy as you said, like what one of the things we were. talking about. I'm like, I don't think. anybody can keep that flow that flow. where he's not breathing. He's not. breathing. Unless they're taking the. Unless they're taking the breaths out, but it's too. >> right. >> and then speed. I I don't know. I'm not. a musician, so I have no idea. >> I don't know either. Look, there's guys. like Eminem that achieved incredible. flow without AI that have like you're. like, "How did he do that?" But that's. just practice, repetition, >> vocal endurance, whatever. I mean, he. just knows how to do it. But this.

[ __ ] AI guy is it's like all the best. things we love about great songs just. condensed. >> and and and they know what you love. >> That's the [ __ ] up thing. It's like. there's so many like let's look at all. the hits. Papa was a Rolling Stone. Look. at look at all the hits. Let's look at. Zombie. Let's look at this. And then. mush them all together and figure out. what are the what are these notes that. make people excited? What are the. feeling? What are the words that make. people like really like, "Oh, yeah." You.

know, what are those feelings? >> So, okay. So, and I I hear all of that. I'm It makes me I'm literally cringing. inside. I'm like dying. But like, so. what do artists do? Like, what do what. do musicians do? >> What has everybody ever done when things. change, you figure it out and adapt, >> adjust. >> Yeah. There's humans are always going to. need humans. We love each other. You. know, as much as we hate each other, we. love each other more because most. interactions that people have with other. people are not negative. It's just the. negative ones are so scary that we. concentrate on them more. But humans.

love humans. And the more you need each. other, the more you're going to need. human interaction, human cooperation. Art is going to be so much more valuable. coming from a human. Live performances. have to adapt. >> Are we going to know? Like that's that's. the thing that I think is the slippery. slope and that scares me the most is. that like are we going to know if it was. created by AI? Can a person who's. disingenuous come and create a bunch of.

AI art, have an art show and, you know, say, "I created this art." Like, >> this is what I really think. When comets. hit planets, um, usually you get small ones first. You get things in the sky, meteor. showers. >> Are you going to give me another thing. to be scared of? >> No, I'm just telling you that this is a. little one. That's what this is. movies. and TV shows that are made entirely with. AI, songs made entirely with AI. This is. just a small thing. The big one that's.

coming is a complete revamping of. communication and culture. >> It's human beings communicating. telepathically through devices connected. to the internet. Everyone all on one. mind page. It's probably not going to be. an implant. It's probably going to be. something wearable. You know, I think. the implant thing is kind of sketchy and. probably really good for people that. have paralysis. We had the guy was the. first Neuralink patient on. Okay. It's. amazing. He was talking to me about how.

he could play video games now and just. it's so much better. His life his. quality of life is improved so much and. eventually they're going to get to the. point where they can reconnect spinal. tissue where people can move again and. it's amazing. It's great. >> But I don't think they're going to need. that to get this achievement of of a. mind mel. They also they already are. wearing these wearable things that. Google has devived. Show that video. Jamie of those people where they're. communicating telepathically. You know what I'm talking about, right?

So they're already doing this with. wearables. >> and this is like kind of crude right now. or but it's just it's sort of sentences. They're they're reading each other and. they're communicating but they're doing. it all nonverbally through te. technology. So I guess what what my. question about that is like if if that. exists like are people going to be. stagnant sitting in their houses. existing outside of their houses in. their AI systems so they're they're. they're not moving around or are we. going to be able to wear these while.

we're out and still participating in the. world? >> That's a good question. >> That is my fear like that people stop. actually participating with their life. >> Oh think they're living. >> Yeah. be with their wearable. >> Let's talk about that. Let's watch this. Put Put this could be a noisy. environment or a quiet office. Having a. direct conversation is possible without. saying a word. The signals Alter Ego. detects aren't affected by environmental. noise. So even if you're walking past a. wind tunnel or a construction zone, what.

you want to say will always get across. It's like having infinite noise. cancellation. >> If you're traveling, your silent speech. can be converted into any language. the. car. How's my mandrin?

I mean, what the [ __ ] What the [ __ ]. It's it's translating. >> But then is it is it is it actually. speaking out loud to them? Like they're. hearing the translation out loud. So. it's not like it's then like going into. their brain. >> His thoughts are being converted to. words which is being converted to an. audio file which makes it to the other. person in a different language.

Yeah, this is what I'm saying. And I'm. telling you, this is one of the little. rocks. This is one of the itty bitty. rocks that just broken through the. atmosphere and slammed into a corn. field. >> Yeah. I mean, I guess my question is why. we need it? >> That's funny. Why do you need a cell. phone? Why do you need a TV? Why do you. need an airplane? Why do you need a. boat? Why do you need anything? >> Well, I could tell you I don't need a. cell phone. >> I do need a plane. But you do if your. hot husband wants to call you. >> Yeah. I mean, but I don't need a I don't.

need an iPhone, >> right? But you need. >> I can use my own imagination. You know. what I mean? Like. >> I think that that's that's the thing. That's the that's my fear is that like. we're becoming lazy as as a as a people. >> Oh, most certainly we are. and are you. know like someone this someone the other. day so my husband's a writer and someone. was saying that um there's an AI where. you don't have to make up a story for. your children anymore like you know I. have this princess poopy pants or.

whatever I don't remember what it was. but my daughter loved this story that I. was telling her it was it's [ __ ]. terrible but she loves this princess and. it is the worst like it is not good but. I came up with it and she and I laughed. together and then her reactions help me. to turn the story a different direction, but like I've created this like. character, right? So, you can now go. into your AI phone or whatever and say, uh, create a nighttime story for Johnny. about his day, but pretend like he's an. astronaut on Mars and he's working with.

diggers. And it writes a story for you. in 5 seconds to read to your son now. Yeah. Okay. Is that is that cool? Absolutely. Did your son enjoy it? Sure. But you robbed yourself of the. imagination and the work that it would. have taken to come up with a son a story. for your son. And then you also robbed. yourself of that experience with your. son creating the story together because. his reactions would have changed the. story in the way that you were creating. it. >> as it was going because he's your.

audience, right? That's sad to me like. that that people are missing out on. that. Yeah, cool. You just you might as. well just read your kid a story because. you really didn't write him a story. That's not. And so I don't know. That's. the thing that that I I hope as a. society because you're right. It is. coming and it's here and it's not. slowing down and but I hope that we can. still steal away those moments where we. don't want to use it because Johnny's. little dad may have missed his second. calling of being a children's story.

author because he never pushed himself. to have to do it. And that could have. been really cool. Um I don't know. I. just that's I'm not I'm not completely. against AI. >> I know what you're saying. And you're. always going to have people that give. up. >> Yeah. >> That's just how life is. You're always. going to have people that don't find. another way. >> You can't save those folks. And I don't. even want to. >> because I think that's part of the whole. process of culture. I think we have to. figure it out by watching people fail.

And unfortunately, some of us has to. have to fail. And it doesn't mean you. fail forever. If that guy figures out. that he's on the wrong path and he's got. some self- assessment ability and he. looks back and goes, "Okay, what did I. do wrong? Why am I Why am I being such a. [ __ ] Why don't I just get my life. together?" Like, "What the [ __ ] is wrong. with me? Why am I drinking? Why am I. smoking? Why am I Why am I killing my. health? Why am I, you know, depressed? Why don't I just go for a run? Let's see. how that goes. I'm going to sign up for. a yoga class. How about that? I'll just. try that for a while. I'll do something. different. I I'll start taking vitamins.

[ __ ] do something. Figure out. something else that you like to do. Are. you alive? Are you breathing? Then life. isn't over. Stop being a [ __ ] You. could have been born during the time of. the Revolutionary War and you just got. shot with a musket and you're bleeding. out on a field. No, you're in Santa. Barbara and you know you you don't like. that AI just took your job. Find a new. job, [ __ ] Figure it out. Like that's. what we all have to do in this life. There's a lot of different people doing. a lot of different things. >> and you know, find out what it is that. you can do.

>> Yeah. Don't give up and don't like AI. comes along and you just give up on life. and you could have been amazing at. something. Really, I doubt it because. any almost anybody that really is. amazing at something has a desire to. figure out how to get that through. >> I don't disagree with that. But there. also are safeguards in place that like. so my dad's entire family, we grew up in. a small town um on the Columbia River um. in Oregon and his entire family were. long shoremen. Well, that industry was. was coming to an end and the Long. Shoreman's union actually paid to have.

those guys trained in different. industry. So, >> Well, that's great. That's one of the. great things about a union. >> That's great. >> That they can set you up like that and. and recognize what's happening. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I you know, I would I would. love for there to be some protections. for when people inevitably do start. losing their jobs that there are avenues. for them to. learn a new trade. I think that would be. a great new addition to the way we. approach it if they tried to figure out.

ways to transition people healthy. healthily into other occupations because. there's certain jobs like coders for. example like the my friends that are. involved in technology like do not go to. school to co to code. No. >> like code for fun if you like coding for. fun because a lot of them the super. nerds they code those [ __ ] dorks they. code for fun. They sit in front of a. screen. >> Don't make fun of my fan base. I love. them. >> Come on, Joe. >> Listen, I love those guys. >> But also, three years ago, my dad was. like, "Your kid should go into coding.".

>> That's how quickly that changed, though. You know what I mean? And that could. just be my dad's generation not seeing. it, you know, happening as quickly. But. >> no, what was happening was all these. guys, these tech guys w up being the. richest people on the planet. So, they. were seeing it, but it just only it's. just like a brief window of opportunity. to become a tech oligarch, and that. shit's going to slam shut. It is. And. the real fear is like who's going to be. in control of AI? You know, these people. like Sam Alman, you've got Elon, you've.

got all these like super rich people. that are going to be in control of the. digital god. It's a little that's a. little disconcerting as it is. >> It is a little scary that the few. control the masses. >> It's so much power and money in just a. lot of handful of people. It's a lot of. power and you just I mean you got to. hope that the people that are in power. have uh you know. >> good sensibilities. They're they're. kind. They're nice. Yeah. That they. realize like okay I've got x amount of. billions of dollars. So this is.

obviously not why what life's all about. What is life? What can I do that makes. life meaningful? I can actually probably. help people. >> like legitimately help people. That. would be amazing if people with a lot of. money wanted to help people and and you. know pay their share of taxes and and. not take advantage of the situation. >> Here's the problem with that. I am all. for wealthy people paying their share. I. am not for the government deciding what. to do with that money when I've seen. what you've done with the money in the. past. You guys are irresponsible. You.

never make audits. You've got insider. trading running a muck amongst people in. Congress and you're not doing nothing. about it. Yeah. >> And then you want more money and you say. that's going to fix it. No, it's the way. you handle the money that [ __ ] sucks. It's not that. I would be happy to pay more in taxes. and live in a place that's just managed. perfectly. Like, God, it's so great. living here in America. Everything's. done so well. It's so beautiful. It's. like everything's well thought out. Our.

education system's great. Nobody is. stuck in a bad neighborhood anymore. All. the school systems are [ __ ] wah top. of the food chain. It's a difficult job. to acquire. It's given a lot of respect. and everybody's doing great. THEN I'D BE. HAPPY. But it's like, do you see some of. the money that they've uncovered that. was being spent on nonsense? Then you. see what happens with NOS's and. nonprofits and they're funneling. billions to these things and it's going. to countries and it's helping overthrow. governments. Like [ __ ] slow down. But.

we also have to acknowledge that in the. cuts that there were things that didn't. need to be cut. So we can go and we can. look at Elon. So you brought up Elon. Musk. Let's talk about when he tweeted. about an over. stuffed bill in 2025. In the middle of. 2025, he was talking about how this bill. was just like bloated. >> So they took a bunch of [ __ ] off of it. One of the things that fell on that was. in 2012. There was a there was a a a. piece of legislation called the Give.

Kids a Chance Act. What it did was it. motivated and incentivized in uh uh uh. drug companies to create drugs for. pediatrics because right now pediatrics. are completely underfunded. We learned. all of this when our daughter got sick. >> The National Cancer Institute 4% of its. budget goes to pediatrics. 4%. So, it's. already underfunded. And then in in when. Elon in 2025 tweeted about this, they.

took off all of the stuff at the end of. the bill, 900 pages, but what was on it. was the Give Kids a Chance Act. Now, this bill is a voucher program. So, let's say that Tom in his basement wants. to create a drug, a new drug for. neuroblasto that will save our. daughter's life. He's got no money, but. he he sees the cure. So, he can go to. the FDA and he can say, "I got a cure. for neuroblasto." And they say, "Great. We're going to fast track you in the.

FDA, but we're also going to give you a. voucher. You can sell that voucher. because Tom only got he only has 10. cents. He can't create this drug." But. with that voucher, he can take that. voucher and he can sell it to anyone for. any amount of money. And what that. voucher is is a front-ofthe-line pass. So he can go sell it to some drug. company that has a fat loss drug or a a. drug for heart medications, anything. He. can sell it to them and they get to buy. it for what? $50 million. So now Tom is. $50 million for his pediatric drug.

that's going to save children's lives. And this drug company has a voucher that. takes them to the front of the line. Now, do we wish that these drug. companies were altruistic and they were. just like creating drugs for pedes? Of. course. But they're not. They're not. It's not a free market. So, so what. happens is they've now got their. voucher. Tom has his money to create his. drug. And since 2012, the Give Kids a. Chance Act has created over 60 drugs for. life-threatening illnesses for for.

children. 60 drugs. And because of. Elon's tweet, that legislation, because. it has to be voted on every four years, was taken off the end of the bill. It no. longer exists. So that that legislation. is it's it's not it's not in existence. anymore. That is terrible because now. there's no incentives for the drug. companies to create drugs for children. and children are already underfunded. They get so little and so it has to be. on the bill at the end of the year. So. what I want is for people like people.

just to see the error of their waste. Yes. Was there waste? of course, but now. you have this bipartisan supported piece. of legislation that has to be on the end. ofear bill or it will not get on again. and then it starts all over again. That. has to be on the end ofear bill. So. things like that, yes, can we get rid of. the waste? Absolutely. But when you see. a mistake and you see that you made a. mistake, let's fix it. Put it back on. >> We got to help ch children. >> It's literally throwing out the baby.

with the bath water. That's literally. >> But that's what we do in this country. But is that unfortunately these bills. are crazy and one of the things about. bills is they like you it'll have a name. and then what's in the bill deals with. multiple subjects cuz mult bunch of. different things get thrown into the. bill. >> all the time. There's so much chucked on. the end which is what Elon was talking. about. >> right they all do that. So was this. connected to something else? >> No by itself part of it. It was just. part of it that was on there that was.

thrown in there. >> was chucked off. >> from what I understand and granted I you. need to talk to someone much more. informed than I am about this but there. were about. hundreds of pages that were just cut off. the end. >> So do you think they're just not. reviewing what's being cut off? They're. just saying look we have to make cuts. Just cut it all off. >> Yes. That they just needed to cut a. bunch off to avoid inspection and just. get the bill passed. And that's what. they did. And so, and the Give Kids a. Chance Act is one of the in the top 10.

of all time most bipartisan supported. pieces of legislation and 2% of bills. actually passed. So, it's got to it. literally has to be on the end of the. year bill. And it it it surprises me. that because there is waste. I know. there's waste. We all know there's. waste. But that we say that children are. so [ __ ] important and they get 4% of. the National Cancer Institute's money. 4%.

>> I just feel like if people knew about. that, that couldn't have happened. We if. I we had known about that in advance, we. could have made a big deal about that. >> Well, we've got two months. We've got. two months to get it on there now. >> Well, let's try to get it on there now. But here's the thing. Like I had never. heard about this before you talked about. it. And this is the problem with. >> I think this part of the pro I don't I. don't think they should be allowed to. make bills that way. I think each bill. the the the things that are in the bills. are so consequential. It just doesn't. make any sense to me that they shouldn't.

be treated as individual arguments. Every single one of them. Every like if. you have a bill and you have 500 I mean. what let's ask perplexity our sponsor. What what is the average amount of. different subjects that are covered in. any bill? Because when they're thousands of pages, they might have stuff in there about. immigration reform mixed in with Second. Amendment rights mixed in with free. speech online, mixed in with support for.

Israel. It's weird. They have thousands. of pages. >> Well, and you've seen how thick it is. And there were times and I don't. remember uh who said it but there were. times when when the big beautiful bill. was passing or you know before it had. passed that people had admittedly not. even read it. >> and but how could you read it? It's so. big and and so there is a problem there. and and that is above my pay grade and I. do not know how to fix that but. >> that's a crazy problem. But I think part. of the problem is that it takes it takes.

a pissed-off mom whose kid is sick to be. like, "This is a [ __ ] problem. This. is a problem." It is a problem that in. Portland, where I'm from that that OHSU. is one of the top hospitals in the. country. OHSU is given so many grants by. the Knight Foundation. It is a leading. hospital. It is attached to see it's a. tier one hospital. It is attached to. Dorbecker. Dorne Becker is a tier 2.

children's hospital. It's in the same. building. That's crazy. That's crazy. It. is crazy to me that a pediatric. oncologist makes 50% less than an adult. oncologist. >> just across the board. 50% less. Doesn't. matter what the specialty is, they all. make less money. That is a problem in. this country that our children are not. being cared for. And we're now in a. position where. we're not there are no programs and if. there were they're gone that are showing. doctors and and students that are in.

medical school, hey go into pediatrics. Hey, if you want to be a, you know, an. anesthesiologist, you want job security, go into pediatrics. I know you're going. to make 50% less, but go into. pediatrics. We need you. There are not. enough. It's it's it's a big problem. >> It's a big problem. in the 50% less. because a lot of these doctors. >> now that's an average as well by the. way. Yeah. >> I mean when they get out they already. have medical school debt. >> they're you know then there's liability. coverage is very very high.

>> Okay. What is the average amount of. subjects included in bills passing in US. Congress. There's no single fixed number. of topics per bill but uh analysis of. legislative practices shows strong. trends depending on bill type and scope. The majority bills passed by Congress. include multiple subjects and the number. has grown over time as omnibus. legislation. has become the dominant approach. Like. what's give me some numbers though. >> this one has the most. This is the. biggest bill pass.

>> Okay, this is this is so crazy. >> 5,000 pages. >> consolidated appropriations act which. was in 2021. It has 5,593. pages. The bill combined all 12 regular. appropriation bills for fiscal year. 2021, COVID 19 relief, and numerous. unrelated legislation provisions, including copyright alternative and. small claims enforcement act, protecting. lawful streaming act, water resources. development act, and a variety of other.

measures on tax, transportation, energy, and health. Then nobody's reading that. They're not reading. You think AOC read. that? You think George Santos read that? that. nobody nobody read that. >> You want to make it about people not. reading things. I'm sure we can get into. that. But like I think that. >> Well, George Santos is the the crazy. guy. >> Yes. That was just. >> Yeah. They just they get him out of. jail. Is he getting free? I don't know. >> I might have him on. That guy's a wild. boy. >> I don't know.

>> But these people that are like Congress. people that are making hundreds of. millions of dollars through insider. trading and we're just like, I don't. know what to do. >> Okay. Here's the thing though is that. like we are things are not getting voted. on. Like that's the other thing is that. so you take like a the give kids a. chance act and then you take these big. bills that have so many pages. >> There should be a system in place where. things are voted on separately and there. may be I mean I this is. >> especially something that's as important. as pediatric medication like that just.

seems it seems like a travesty to. include that in a bunch of other stuff. in a bill. Well, and you know the crazy. thing, so our daughter's cancer, her. treatments and her care afterwards. So, she's still getting this thing called an. MIBG scan, which is a nuclear radiation. scan where they inject her body with. stuff that is so bad for you. Um, but. it's all to scan her body to make sure. that her cancer hasn't metastasized. Like, it's we need to know this kind of. stuff, >> right? >> There's there's no new technology. There. are there are these are things that.

she's being treated with that have. existed for 30 years. >> Wow. We need new things. Like our. daughter should never have to get. wheeled over to the adult side of a. hospital to get an MRI because they. don't have a machine on the children's. side. It it just things like that should. never be happening. This is the stuff. that should be supported by our. government and and and our tax dollars. >> Yeah, that's a great example of. something that should be supported by. tax dollars. I've always said that the. two most important things for people to.

be if you if if you want to allocate. money towards helping people, it's. education and healthcare. Those are. number one and number two. >> But is there an argument that. >> socialized medicine I have friends that. live in countries with socialized. medicine like England and Canada and. it's great. >> in some ways but it's also a nightmare. because it takes a long time to get a. surgery. A lot of the doctors might not. be the best to get quite a few botch. surgeries that my friends have had.

>> and a lot of them have actually come to. America to get surgery in America, especially UFC guys. >> Yeah. >> Because they felt like the doctors were. better because they're more. incentivized. These doctors are paid. better and you're going to get those. really hot shot. This is the guy who. does all the ACL tails tears for the. Lakers. Like these guys are. >> so like there's something to be said. there. But there's something to be said. for the competition that drives. innovation and makes people become the. very best in the top of their field. But. also the most important things are not.

that. The more most important things are. regular ordinary health care and some of. that stuff can [ __ ] break people. Like one bad fall when you don't have. health insurance and you're a couple. hundred,000 in debt now. So, did you. know that the number one cause of debt. in our country is a medical diagnosis? >> Yeah, I did. >> It's terrifying. >> It's terrifying. So, like that alone, I. mean, if if other countries have that. and it does, it might not be perfect.

>> Why can't we have that? And why can't we. have that along with specialists that. are even better? Like, if you are if you. are, you know, >> the Lakers, you know, they need a guy. who's just a [ __ ] wizard. pay more. for the very best. So, you still have. competition. But. >> the idea that people just can go. bankrupt if they get sick, it's like, are we not looking out for each other? Like, think about how much money we. spend on other things. That's doable. because other countries do it.

>> It really makes me sad. You know, when. every once in a while we would get a. medical bill. We have great health. insurance. The Screen Actors Guild has. some of the best health insurance I've. ever seen, mind you. We take in Oregon. where they're not used to seeing the. Screen Actors Guild health insurance, doctors will sometimes be like, I have. never seen an insurance company cover. this. I'm like, I know actors. It's. phenomenal. But so, um, we have seen so. many people with sick children suffering.

financially. You don't think about it. It's not necessarily even the diagnosis. that's causing the bankruptcy. It's the. time. If your daughter needs a. specialized cancer treatment and you've. got to drive six hours each way every. day or be put up at the Ronald McDonald. House over by a hospital, you're not. going to job. You're not going to your. work. You're not you're not, you know, plowing your fields. You're not going to. your 9 to5. You're not because your.

priority is your kid. That leads to. bankruptcy. That's a really big problem. And so it's not even it's not even the. insurance. It's the lack of time. It's. the lack of resources that we give. people when they are sick. It's really. heartbreaking. We got bills sometimes. that were like. $70,000 and like these crazy numbers and. and you know, I would take a picture and. send it off to our insurance broker. because we have a very very blessed.

life. Um, and I wasn't I mean, I was. definitely shocked by it and a little. concerned, but I was like, "They'll. handle it. They're let us know. Most people don't have that. You know, they look at that and even though that. was an error, we should have never. gotten that. It was still, you know, our. portion was still $4,000 or something. like that. >> Why does it cost that much money? >> Like, that's the question. Like, what. factors are involved in it costing that. much money? Is it all above ground? Because I don't think it is. It.

definitely has been shown that it's not. with some drugs that they've hiked the. price up of drugs because they know. people have to buy it. >> They know it's you it's necessary. You're going to pay. >> It is a very messed up system for sure. And it's a crazy system. >> It's got so many problems. Like you. can't. >> have money. It's money whenever they can. figure out how to make money with. things. >> So it's like is there an argument for. some sort of a socialization of that in. this country? And people that want to. say that we shouldn't have any. socialism.

Listen, we have some. >> We do have some. >> Here's here's a big one. Fire. department. >> This is a big one. All right. We all. agree the fire department is worth. paying for with our tax dollars. We all. pay. And the fire department goes where. the fire is. If there's a fire in a poor. community, if there's a fire in a rich. community, that's how it works. We all. agree with that because it's a it's a. very good part of a functional society. >> Well, and we don't want to be like, "No, we don't need it.". >> Right? You have a fire in your health. then. Like it's the same thing. You got. to you should have calamity centers like.

this is we've set up the socialism of of. our society is we've set up ways to. handle calamities. We've ways to set up. fires, ways to set up floods and we pay. for it and we make sure it's all there. because we all need it. >> You want a a social calamity, no. education, massive crime, all all the. all the different problems that plague. us that we ignore. And some great ways. to do that to stop that is free. education and free health care. You cut.

back on most of the problems that people. run into. >> I agree because one of the biggest. problems in our country is mental. health. It's a huge problem and a lot of. people go untreated because they don't. have healthcare. >> That's what you're seeing in these. tents. >> Yeah. >> You've seen a lot of you're seeing a lot. of mental illness. A lot. >> It's a giant portion of it. And that was. all during the Reagan administration. the Reagan administration, they changed. how they um like what what they did with. mentally ill people and they shut down a. lot of these institutions and they just.

let people become homeless. >> We were just having this conversation. the other day because it's inhumane to. to uh to determine how a person should. live their life and where they should. live their life and um yeah, it's it's. it's a very very complicated gray issue. for sure. >> You know, you see it in Portland where I. live. It's it's um it is a very. complicated issue because there is not. one solution. It needs to be a. multi-pronged solution with with a lot. of hands on deck. >> Yeah. >> I mean in Portland it's gotten it was I.

think another thing that Portland did. that was. >> I think directionally correct which was. they decriminalized everything. They. said look we're not going to criminalize. you for doing cocaine or having. mushrooms. We're just we're not going to. treat that like your personal use is a. crime of anything. But unfortunately. when they did that, people moved there. to do drugs. >> Well, unfortunately when they did that, they didn't put the services in place. ahead of time to be prepared for it. >> Well, you would need a lot of services. You need like real counseling and real.

health care. And you really should have. an ibagane center if you're going to. have anything that is dealing with. addiction, which is. >> one of the primary factors of these. people being homeless. >> Well, yeah. I mean, it's a chicken egg. thing, right? Because like what comes. what comes first the addiction or the. you know the homelessness. >> they should have set up I gain centers. If you've got a a decriminalized society. set up I gain centers in Oregon. I mean. it'd be the perfect place for it. You'd. be able to help so many people cuz so.

many of those folks are just stuck. >> They're just stuck. And if you can get. them out of whatever funk they're in, whether it's an opioid or crystal meth. or whatever the thing that is that has. captured their life and let them find. out who they are as a human, >> you could probably save a bunch of those. folks and that that can be done. >> I do believe that a lot of those people. can be saved. I I think that it's it's. really it's really sad. It's how. invisible people are.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's really sad. >> It's really sad. That's someone's baby. And you have babies. You know what it's. like. >> I know. And that's what I. >> think about how much you love your. babies and you walk by that was. someone's baby that is now on the. street, you know, covered in their own. feces. >> I know. It's really horrible. Horrible. >> It's horrible. And it's horrible. It's a. It's just a stain on us as a community. that we we don't do anything about it. And the answer is not just lock them up. I think they're doing something crazy. out here where they're bringing in the. National Guard and they're sweeping up. all the encampments and like that.

doesn't fix it. You're just you're just. penalizing people for being being. [ __ ]. >> But it's But at a certain point in time. though, it's like, you ever watch that. show Hoarders? >> Yes. >> Certain point in time, you got to burn. the house down. All right. This. one lady was keeping bags of poop. >> I have tendencies. >> Bottles and bags of poop all in her. house. And they're like, "We're going to. have to destroy this house. This is. insane.". >> It's like that is almost where places. like Skid Row are.

>> like that. It's so crazy that you've let. it get this bad for so long to even. clean it up. It's almost like you have. to start from scratch. So, it's almost. like you'd have to take those people, you'd have to set up treatment places. and take those people and convince them. that there's a way to a life that you. don't want to live like this forever. There's a way to a life and we're going. to try to help you. And have these. places that are set up where they have. counselors and food. They clean people. up. They give them their appropriate. mental health medication if they need. it. They talk to them. They give them.

activities. That's not like financially prohibitably. expensive. They spent$ 24 billion. dollars in California trying to stop the. homeless crisis or help it. They didn't. do anything. It got bigger. It got way. bigger. And they spent $ 24 billion. >> Well, because they're coming over from. Texas being kicked out of Texas. >> The. >> I DON'T THINK THEY GO WEST, young men. Go west. >> I don't think they have that kind of. ambition. >> No, I I I I think it's a a big problem. But I also know that like like it is not.

it's multi-prong problem like I said you. know a lot of people don't want to go. into the shelters because they have an. animal or they have a lot of stuff and. there's limits on how many bags you can. bring in things like that. So, it's. it's, you know, you're not allowed to. have to have drugs on you, things that. are prohibitive to to to persuade people. to go into places that have help, right? >> So, I I don't know. It's it's. >> it's going to take somebody a lot more. creative than me and and a lot of money.

and a lot of um open-minded people to. figure out what to do because it's a. it's a big problem. And it's a big. problem everywhere. Every major city, >> every major. >> It doesn't matter if it's blue or red. It doesn't matter. It is a it's a big. problem. >> The thing is it's fairly recent. That's. what's disturbing because I think that. it's a symptom of a society that's lost. its way because it's it's fairly recent. There wasn't a time when I was a boy. where you had that many homeless people. You occasionally had a homeless person. that you'd run into in like Boston where. I lived or New York City. You'd.

occasionally run into homeless people. But there was no encampments. Yeah. >> There was no This is a completely new. thing as far as I know. There was during. the Great Depression though, but that. was just like hor horrific poverty where. they had shanty towns where whole. families were living in sh these setup. shanty towns because they couldn't. afford to be in a house. >> I don't know. Do you think it's a loss. of in some regard it's a loss of. community and it's a loss of um empathy. and caring for people? You know, I know.

that like in the town that I grew up. when somebody was down on their luck, everybody would come together and help. that person. >> Yeah. >> Doesn't really happen anymore. you know, we're all so consumed with our own lives. and, you know, what's happening to us. I. think. >> Yeah. I think it's it's not a coh. coincidence that it's happening in the. places that have the most people, too. Of course, where where there's the most. people, not only you going to have the. higher percentage or rather a higher. number of people with mental illnesses, but you're also going to have this thing. that happens when you have too many. people that live in a place where you. don't value each other. Like I live in a.

neighborhood where there's a guy that. lives in my neighborhood, this old fella. And uh he's always working on his garden. and every time I drive by he waves. I. look forward. >> Yeah. >> I look forward. >> to the wave. >> To the wave. I wave that dude. What's. up? >> It's like he's a friendly guy. Everybody. drives by his house, he waves at. And I. look forward to waving at that guy. >> And that doesn't happen in New York. City. In New York City, you wave at a. guy every day. He's like, "What the [ __ ]. are you waving at, bitch?" Like they. want to fight you. Like you got a.

problem, man. Why are you looking at me. every day? >> Because there's too many people. this. [ __ ] millions of people all stacked. on top of each other. It's not how we're. designed to live. >> We're designed to live in some sort of. peace and harmony with nature, not like. a new nature. So this new nature of. concrete and electricity, it's just. weird for us. And so we behave weird and. then when you see someone who's down, you just think that's not me. I'm going. to keep on moving. Whereas if you lived.

in a small town and that was a member of. your community, that's that's Earl. Like, oh my god, Earl's passed out in. front of a store. Like, Earl, what's. going on, man? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like, you love Earl. Pick him up. No, Earl's a faceless, nameless person. in Manhattan. He's one of many and no. one cares. They just walk right by you. on the way to the play. >> Well, everybody is is everybody's. hustling, you know? Like, that's it's a. it's a big thing. Like, it's it's. >> we've got. >> too little time in the day, a lot to. accomplish. Everybody's just.

>> how do I get mine? How do I take care of. my family? How do I protect this? How do. I do that? How do I I don't have time to. look at Earl? >> Exactly. >> You know, and and. >> but also even if you did help Earl, Earl. might be an idiot. It might be like one. of them things. You help Earl, then two. days later, he's smoking crack again. Earl, >> oh, Earl. >> Earl might just be that just might be. Earl. There's certain people you can't. save. And there's always going to be. people like that. But there's a lot of. those folks that genuinely are just down. on their luck and maybe they had an. abusive childhood. Yeah. And maybe.

things went wrong with them at multiple. points in their maybe they had an injury. and they got Oxycontton prescribed to. them and then all of a sudden they can't. get off. That happens all the time. I I. know people that that happened to. >> But it's going to take a coordinated. effort from our representatives to. actually care about people enough to. figure out what the right solution is. I. would like to talk to the people that. spent the 24 billion in California and. go what did what did you guys do.

>> like how come you didn't do better like. what there's more there's more than when. it started. >> they they increase their number. >> well to me what that says is that there. are there are more and more people. falling through the cracks every single. day then. >> the an enormous number in Los Angeles. alone is a strange place in some. neighborhoods s where you're just. driving through you just see like oh. this is like if I was looking at a piece. of fruit and the piece of fruit had like.

uh this bruised area and I was like oh. what happened to this somebody dropped. like it's like a damaged part of your. society you've got these people. completely removed from so just like ex. like a bruise just sitting there part of. it but they're like they're a sad part. of it and that part is getting bigger. the bruise is bigger it's weird. >> well then Yeah. I mean, we left Los. Angeles two years ago. Two years ago. Can't even speak. Two years ago. And And.

I love LA. I love LA. I lived there for. 25 years. I freaking love it. It's a. great city. >> Great people. >> A lot of amazing human beings. Some of. my best friends I met in LA. >> And it's it's like many other cities. It. has a problem. Um, and the solution is. there. It just it's it's going to. require a lot of work and and I don't. know what that is sadly. >> Yeah, I don't know what that is, but I. know that people don't course correct.

and that's what's screwy. >> What's screwy is just let this thing get. bigger. Like no, you got to dump a lot. of resources into removing these tent. communities, setting these people up in. some sort of a a community center, some. sort of a rehabilitation center, like. make an effort. There's no way you can. allow this because it's just the cost. that that's happening just to the. neighborhood. Like if you live right. next door to a tent city and you're. trying to sell your house, like good. luck. You're not sell you're not selling. your house.

>> Yeah. >> That that's going to [ __ ] up everything. And it's going to [ __ ] it up for them, too. And it's going to cost everybody. money. You would you'd be better off. spending that money trying to help those. people. And I guarantee you at least. some of them are going to pop through on. the other side, figure it out, and. become successful and be forever. eternally grateful. And they'll be able. to help more people do the same. There's. always a few of those people that come. out of those kind of treatment centers. that can help other people do it. I. would be really curious to see like. statistically. what the common denominator of the.

majority of the the homeless people in. the US what it was like who has done. these. >> if there's studies where they actually. went around. >> mostly drugs right. >> no I don't know though I don't know and. granted I do not know enough about this. to be speaking about it with. >> I just jump right to a first conclusion. >> but you talk to you do talk to some. people that find themselves homeless, and I've had this conversation with. somebody who found themselves homeless. and started doing drugs because try.

spending the night out on the street. >> It's not. >> you're not comfortable. It's it's. depending on your circumstances, but you. know where you are potentially, what. your gender is, like you know what your. own mental health is, like. >> you probably low selfrespect, terrifying. at that point in time. You're sleeping. literally outside. >> Well, or you have high selfrespect, but. you had a really shitty [ __ ] day. Or. you're, you know, someone you were.

caring for had cancer and you lost your. house because they passed and you didn't. go to work for a year and a half. Like, for whatever reason, you then start. using drugs because it helps numb. the life, >> right? >> So, I don't know. I I think you're right. there that a lot of people who do do. drugs find themselves on the street, but. I also think that a lot of people who. are on the street for other reasons find. their their way to drugs. >> And so it's it is just a it's a really. >> big problem with a lot of moving parts.

and and I I think first and foremost we. have to trying to find our way to. empathy and and figure out how to help. people. >> Yeah, it's very well said. What you. said, I completely agree with and I. think it can be done. I think just I. think it could have be done with that 24. billion. I just think that it's there's. a lot of incentive. >> There's a lot of wasted money in this. country. Let's be honest. >> There is. It's also this is a thing. unfortunately that they campaign with. You know, when when there's certain.

issues that I I think politicians. genuinely don't want resolved. >> because they can campaign on solving. those problems. >> I really do think that. >> I talked to Rep. Luna and she actually. said that. >> and I was like so you really think they. do that? She's like absolutely. >> that is so dark that they would not want. solutions from both sides. Yeah. >> Because they would rather keep the. argument in place. So they go I'm if. it's up to me I'm going to go out there. and I'm going to stop gay marriage. And.

then it becomes a thing that they they. want they want they would elect to. repeal gay marriage just so they have. the ability to fight to bring back gay. marriage. Like that's how twisted some. of these people are. shouldn't surprise. me. I mean, I'm not surprised. I think. that's probably what happened with Roie. Wade. >> I think that's probably part of it. >> I mean, government is a business. We. have to acknowledge that that everybody, >> everybody gets paid. >> There's so much money in that business. And they really do like having problems. to campaign against. They they openly.

talk about it. >> Like, we're going to get them on this. one. Like, they like that problem. Keep. that problem. >> You know what though? You know what we. should do? We should give them problems. that like legitimately like like big. problems that matter like uh saving. children. >> Well, that would be great. >> And like education and things like that. You know, you shouldn't you shouldn't uh. people shouldn't have to move house. because they're trying to chase a public. school that's better. Like the existing. public school should be great. >> and we should have tried to invest in. that a long ass time ago. >> Well, we should pay our [ __ ].

teachers. How about that? You know, a. lot more. >> My mom was a teacher for 35 years. She. had a master's degree and she made. something like $35,000 a year. >> I know it's crazy. You have to love what. you do like and only want to do it. because you love it. Whereas there's so. many jobs that pay so much more. >> But why is it so important. >> in our country that anything to do with. children gets underpaid? >> I don't know. >> When they're the future. >> Well, if you wanted to put a tin foil. hat on, you'd be like, I'm trying to. keep people down. Trying to hold down. society so I can control it. I just want.

to [ __ ] up the education system. put as. little money into it as possible. Guarantee chaos, guarantee lawlessness, at least in some segments of society. That way, we can always have reasons to. bring the military onto the streets and. reasons to arrest people and reasons to. enact new laws and reasons to put people. on digital ID. Like, if you wanted to. get really cynical, you would say, well, they didn't solve it because they don't. want to solve it because they want the. south side of Chicago to still look like. uh Afghanistan, the height of the war. They want chaos. They want murder on the. streets cuz that way they keep people.

scared and that way the campaign against. these various sides. >> If you really wanted to get dark, you. would you would look at it that way. I. think what happens is more than anything. is that it's like really difficult to. get anything done. >> And. >> I think that's the truth. I think that. is the truth. >> Really and it's like politically it is. um it's not your best weapon. Like your. best weapon are what are the big. cultural issues? you know, if it is uh. immigration reform, if you're one of. those people that wants to close the. border and want to stop these immigrants.

coming through, and if you're on the. other side, if it's a we want compassion. and we want health care for all, like. then those are the things that you start. you start throwing around, those are the. things that going to get you votes, right? If you say, I'm going to campaign. to make sure that we have health care. for infants because right now. pediatricians and physicians don't get. paid as much. And this is what I'm. campaigning on. people be like, "Okay, what about global warming? What about. climate?". >> But then, so you have someone that does. that. They they run on that and and.

wanting to get equal pay for. pediatricians and higher pay for. teachers and like let's really run on, you know, what's better for our children. and they get elected and then they go to. to work on Monday morning and everyone's. like, "Well, >> you can't do that. I mean, I know you. got elected on it, so good luck. You're. going to spend the next two years of. your life, you know, trying to keep your. constituents happy. saying that you're. doing it, but we're going to block you. at every turn. >> Yeah. >> Every turn. >> It should have been done that way a long. ass time ago. That's the the problem.

It's like I don't understand how anybody. who loves their kids would not want. their kids to be taught by the best. people possible. So, unless you're in. abject poverty where you can't even. think about where your taxes go, if you. have children, you should be thinking. like, "Boy, I hope they get the best. people to teach my kids." Instead, >> yeah, >> we get people that are willing to take a. job that pays so little that like almost. anybody with a bachelor degree can get a. better job somewhere else financially. >> Get more You may get paid more as a.

waiter than most teachers get. >> Oh, please. You'd get more money as a. dog walker. >> Yeah, probably. >> You would. A girlfriend of mine, >> you have a good group of dogs. >> Girlfriend of mine was a lawyer, a trial. lawyer. Um, new trial lawyer, but you. know, making good money. Um, and she. had, and I I might get this wrong, but. she got uh she had uh stress induced uh. pancreatic shutdown. So, her body as an. adult had type 1 diabetes, which is like.

crazy. Um, and it was all due to stress. So, they told her, you know, you're. going to have diabetes now. It's not. like type two. Like, this is it, but you. still need to reduce your stress. And. so, she stopped being a lawyer. Her. husband was like, okay, great. Like, this is it. We got to reduce stress. So, she quit her job and stayed home and. started doing yoga and was like, "Okay, I think I'm I'm ready to try and. contribute a little bit again and and. figure something out." And maybe I'll go. walk dogs because, you know, I like. dogs. Long walks will be stress.

reducing. I can make a little extra. money. Why not do that? Um, by the time. she started watching our dogs, like at. her home overnight for like a month. while I was on location, she was making. more money as a dog sitter/d dogwalker. than she ever did as a lawyer. [Music]. >> But she sounds like an exceptional dog. walker, though. A lawyer's mind to the. dog walking business. >> I mean, I don't maybe I would get like a. picture every day, but she. >> valuable if you love your dogs. if. someone's like you can really trust to.

take care of your dogs. >> But those are the jobs, right? Talking. about jobs and like children, like those. are the jobs. Like, you know, if I was I. keep telling my nephew like every day. he's like, "I don't know what to do with. my life." And I'm like, "Be a plumber. >> Like go own your own business. Find a. job where we're always going to need. you.". >> Yeah. >> You know, open a dog walking service. Start there. Like do do something. >> Do something. But more importantly, what. do you want to do? >> What do you want? It's so hard for. people to figure out because because.

you're judging what you want to do based. on what you see everyone around you do. and and you know I was blessed at a very. young age to wake up in the morning and. know what I wanted to do. >> forunate very rare you know. >> that's a gift that's a gift the universe. gave you because if you don't if you're. just like I don't know where to start I. don't know what to do. >> I think with people like that generally. they've never tried to this is what I. think is one things is very important. for kids. Find a thing, whatever that.

thing is. Whether your thing is. painting, whether your thing is music, whether your thing is sports, just find. a thing that's hard to do and work on. getting better at that thing. And. that'll teach you so much about what. life is. And if you don't do that, if. you just do the work that school gives. you and then you go home and you watch. TV and then you hang out with your. friends and you do the work that school. and you don't get involved in anything. that really tests you as a person like. tests your creativity or tests your your. your endurance if you want to be a.

runner. Are you willing to get up every. morning and actually do the work? Like. things that test you, they teach you the. process of enjoying things and getting. better at things. And when people don't. go through that when they're young, >> it's a real problem trying to find a. thing and commit to it. Like you almost. have to stumble upon it and get lucky. >> My parents though, like when you know I. didn't I wasn't raised by anybody in the. arts. My dad's a builder. My mom was a. teacher. Um and my parents not one day.

of my life told me I couldn't do. something. Like every single day they. were like, "Go for it. Why not?" Like. sure. You know, I I do believe my dad. always said like, you know, second place. is just the first loser. So. So I did have a dad like that, but like. he said it sort of like, you know, he. was building competition. Like he also. knew that I was the child that he could. say that to and it would motivate me. He. didn't say that to my brother who were. very two different, you know, children. >> Yeah, you got to figure that out. >> But my parents told me I could do.

things, you know. And then at a very. young age, this is where representation. matters. At a very young age, I in high. school was dating a hockey player who. was my age, was playing for the WHL team. in Portland, um, and got drafted. So, when I was 17 years old, I saw an. 18-year-old get drafted in the NHL. And. in my mind, somebody my age did. something really hard that required a. lot of work, but he made it. >> And him making it and seeing that happen. in a counterpart of mine gave me the.

courage to go, I'm moving to California. >> Whoa. You did it, I can do it. >> Whoa. >> So, you have to have both. You have to. have encouraging parents. >> and you have to have the means to be. able to pursue the things that you want. to pursue. Um, but you also have to have. representation and see other people. around you succeed that are your age or. that you identify with or that look like. you. That's important, too. >> That's huge. Inspiration is so. important. >> So important. It starts with teachers, too, right? >> Sure. >> Kids need one good teacher. I had one.

good science teacher when I was in the. seventh grade and he said something that. I think about all the time. He he will I. never thought about this before. He. said, "I want you to really hurt your. head. I want you to look up at the sky. and think about how far forever is. >> Think about the idea of infinity. >> Just just really think about it. Just. only look at the stars at night and. think about infinity. >> because you can't you can't even wrap. your head around it.". >> Yeah. >> He was a intense dude. He uh was a.

Vietnam vet. It was like a little shaken. up and you can kind of tell, >> but but he really loved science. >> He really loves science. >> and he was uh. he was just trying to get us to. understand how [ __ ] crazy the world. is. Like re we really want you to think. about this. Yeah. >> Like you're on a planet in space. And I. I never thought about it before then. I. was like, "Oh, the stars, there's the. moon." I never really thought about. forever. the idea of like even being. able to imagine where where is my mind.

going when it's imagining infinite. space. >> Yeah. It's uh it's crazy how small we. are. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And. >> and we're pro we were just going over. this the other day. We're probably the. whole thing's probably fractal. There's. this photograph. It's a crazy photograph. of a human brain cell next to a map of. the universe. >> and they look like the same thing. It's.

really weird. >> So, we're all like living in Orion's. belt around a cat's neck in Men in. Black. >> Well, there's my joke was that there's a. guy that's his eye, right? And he's. depressed and he's going to blow his. brains out and that's the big bang. We're part of Look at this. So on the. left is a brain cell. On the right is. the universe. Yeah. >> Wow. >> It's kind of nuts. I mean, it's kind of. like dead on. It looks exactly like the. same thing. >> It really does.

>> I mean, >> they're both so beautiful. >> It's amaz It's like the structure of it. is amazing. But if why why wouldn't we. believe if we believe in subatomic. particles? Okay. We believe there there. are things that exist in the subatomic. world that are behaving like magic. Like. they they're moving and not moving at. the same time. They appear and. disappear. We don't know where they're. going. There's some sort of quantum. entanglement that they show where. particles that are not even remotely. connected to us respond to each other.

>> Why wouldn't we think that we are. subatomic in another being? That's true. infinity. True infinity is not just the. size of the universe itself being. infinite, but of literally your universe. is a small part of another being that's. in another universe. >> I mean, anything's possible, right? >> The whole thing is so. >> we know so little about the universe.

>> Weird. >> Yeah, >> it's so weird. We have no idea. We're. we're literally flying through space and. we're, you know, arguing over who's a. Nazi and the the whole thing is just. very bizarre. It's very bizarre. >> It is uh pretty amazing when you when. you look at how small we are. We've. started like reading our our daughter's. interested in space and so we've started. looking at books and talking about the. Milky Way and what the universe is and. what Earth is and where we live and um.

it's pretty amazing when you when you. realize how fragile the whole thing is. because it's so we're so tiny. >> We're so tiny. >> We're so tiny. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And our galaxy is so tiny. That's what's. nuts. Our galaxy's immense. Hundreds of. billions of stars. Tiny little tiny. thing. Little tiny cute little galaxy. >> Little tiny little little sweetie little. galaxy. >> Oh, look at that little dot right there. >> Have you been paying attention to this. um object that's hurtling towards Earth?

It's called A3. They're calling it A31. >> I try to avoid things that are going to. give me nightmares. Um are we going to. send. >> extraterrestrial perhaps? >> Is it really? We're going to meet the. aliens finally. >> There's something weird about it. Um we. were just going over it the other day. There was an article that was stating. that whatever they use to detect like. what what is around this like what they. can detect the composition whether it's. like mostly water. vapor mostly iron this thing is giving.

off the indications that is an alloy. that is only exists on earth through. industrial allo alloy making processes. that it's not a natural metal. >> Okay. And this that's what what they're. getting is the signal that this thing. that is hurling through space, this. massive object that's moving, by the. way, from the same direction in space. where the WOW signal came. >> I don't know what that is.

>> The WOW signal is a they believe uh. intelligently generated signal that they. picked up. I think it was in the 70s. Was it in the 70s? >> I should know this. I'm going to lose my. nerd. >> No, no, it's okay. It's It's a weird. one. It's a little obscure. So, they I. don't know what the exact technique they. were using to monitor radio waves in. space, but they got a signal. So, here. it is. The WOW signal is a powerful 72. second narrowband radio signal detected. on August 15th, 1977 by the Big Ear.

radio telescope at Ohio State. University, which initially suggested an. estrus extraterrestrial origin uh named. for the WOW written in printout by the. astronomer Jerry uh Aean Aean. Aean uh. the signal had characteristics expected. from a technological source, but. follow-up efforts have failed to detect. it again. The leading hypothesis is that. a natural natural astrophysical event. such as a flare from a magnetar briefly.

illuminated a cold hydrogen cloud. causing it to emit radio signal similar. to a laser or it's a laser and then this. object is coming from that. >> from that area. >> Yeah, look at that. They sent you a signal and then now this. thing is coming through there. So if you. think like how fast this thing is going, if it came from, you know, the other. side of the galaxy, it's probably. exactly how long it would take to get. here. >> So it's coming directly for Earth. >> No, it's it's coming near Earth,

>> right? So we're not worried it's going. to hit us. >> No, I don't believe we're worried that. Well, I'm going to find out tomorrow. Avi Lobe, an astronomer from Harvard, is. coming on. >> Amazing. >> And he's going to uh enlighten us as to. what what this thing is all about. But. >> it's a lot it's weird. Like as it gets. closer, it's weirder and weirder. They've never seen anything like this. >> Is it possible then that another planet. out in. the like universes like. >> is it made up of has alloy properties. and it could have chipped off and it's.

now hurtling through space. >> Yeah, you would have to ask like a. metallurgist that question. That's a. good question. They just know the only. way it exists on Earth is through this. industrial process. If it is that stuff. Yeah. >> Why do they think it's that stuff? >> Do you remember that article? We looked. it up like a couple days ago. It um. Look, it's so fun to think it's a. spaceship to so fun to think the Sylons. are coming. >> because they might be. >> Yeah, they might be. >> Do you think they're coming to save us. or. >> I think they would have already stepped. in if they were going to do that. They.

would have stepped in. Yeah, sure. There's been, you know, they would have. stepped in right after World War II. They like, "Hey, hey, hey, with the. [ __ ] nukes.". >> Or do you think they're just up there. going, "You're gonna have to save. yourself, kids.". >> Perhaps. Maybe. Perhaps it's a process. that all intelligent emerging life goes. through and then you know you have to. kind of let it go through the process. like you have to let your kids fall. down. Um in contrast to all node comets. including the interstellar comet 21. Boris the observed spectrum of the gas.

plume around 31 atlas shows prominent. nickel emission but no evidence for iron. other than 31 atlas. This anomaly was. only known to exist in industrially. produced nickel alloys through the. carbonal chemical pathway which. refineses nickel through the formation. and decomposition of nickel tetracarbon. carbonyl tetracarbonel. The authors of. the new paper postulate that this. carbonal process is realized naturally. near the nucleus of 31 atlas. They argue.

that this insitu formation of this thing. predicts that nickel should be strongly. concentrated near the nucleus. So it's like the whole thing is some. very weird metal. That's the point. >> And it's it's also there it's weird the. way it's moving. What are they saying. about the way it's moving? There's. something about. >> self-correcting or something. I think. they thought it had some emission. I. don't know. look like a jet, but I don't.

think so. >> It seemed No, it did seem like they were. saying that it's. >> very far away. >> It's very far away. >> So, yeah, they zoom in and. >> so maybe it's the silence coming back. They're like save our parents. >> You seen they got a telescope that. actually took video of it. >> That's what amazes me is that we have. telescopes that can see that far. >> I can send it to you, Jamie. Um, this. guy has it on his uh Twitter page. I but. it's like it's very um low resolution. obviously because it's [ __ ] millions. of miles away. >> but uh whatever it is is really weird.

It's really weird. >> I you know people ask me all the time if. I believe in aliens I think just because. of what I do for a living and the genre. that I'm in and and you know. >> I can't wait to talk to you about. aliens. >> What I always say you're going to be. vastly disappointed that I know so. little about them. But what I always say. is I think it's a line from a movie um. where it would be an awful waste of. space. >> if it was just us. >> Yeah, that is a line in a movie. I don't. remember what movie it was. >> It's from the movie with Jodie Foster. >> Contact. >> Contact. When her dad says to her that.

it would be an awful waste of space. >> Yeah. >> Beautiful movie. >> It's a great movie. >> Carl Sean wrote that book. That's it. So. this is the thing. Like what is that? What the [ __ ] is. this? >> Like obviously low resolution, obviously. moving through space, but also what the. hell is that? >> Well, it seems to be moving pretty. quickly. Yeah. >> Yeah. It looks like a spaceship. >> I mean, it also looks like a dust bunny.

>> I was uh showing uh my friend Matt last. night. We were having dinner and I was. showing him videos of praying mantises. killing hummingbirds cuz he didn't. believe it. >> He's like, "No way.". >> Well, they're big. Praying mantises can. be quite big, right? Um, non-coars and. hummingbirds. It's crazy how strong they. are. Like, stop. They literally kill. hummingbirds. >> Snatch hummingbirds right off feeder. So, they sit sit by the hummingbird. feeder motionless and the hummingbird. comes in to take a drink and just. snatches them. >> What do they do with them? >> Eat them. >> Stop. >> It's crazy. Praying mantises are.

>> makes me really sad. >> Ruthless. I have watch. >> Well, they eat their own young, right? >> They probably do. I mean, I don't know. Yeah. >> I don't know if they do that, but I know. that they like they'll put a praying. mantis and uh in a box and then they'll. drop a roach in and the praying mantis. just just snatches it up and just starts. eating the roach alive. >> Yeah, but that doesn't make me feel bad. >> But it does it to this bird. >> That makes me feel bad. >> But the thing is like why couldn't that. be an intelligent life form from another. planet like and then come come here on.

31 atlas and land? I mean that is a. that's that is a possibility. >> Well, that's the thing, right? is that. we spend so much time or I guess in our. imagination like we've been conditioned. to think that you know intelligent life. looks like something. >> from these movies. So we all think. intelligent life is. >> you know these guys with big heads or. they look like us or you know whatever. we think but they absolutely could. literally be a flea. >> It could be a sixft tall mantis. >> It could be. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Then we'd be in real trouble.

>> Real trouble. Hey snake. Show her one of. those praying mantises getting a a. hummingbird. >> This is going to make me really sad, you. guys. >> I It makes me sad, too. I love birds. >> Yes. I love that. >> Have you ever wanted to wear one of. those hats with the hummingbird feeders. on it? >> No. Did people do that? That's so crazy. >> Like they'll put the little things and. they just stay really sill. >> They're a beautiful little bird. A weird. weird little bird, too. And the way. they're able to change direction and. move. >> It's amazing. I didn't realize I our. house where we live now, they stop all.

the time. So like they'll sit on the. branches and stuff which is really rare. to see. >> So this is. >> praying mantises are so nasty. >> But look at it. It kind of there. >> Well, that one. >> Oh my god. It grabbed it by his beak. >> Oh yeah. It reached out and just snagged. them. The thing is they're so strong for. their size. I mean that's that is. literally like a person trying to take. out a cow. >> Go down. There was one that one the with. the prey mantis and the. >> scorpion. Oh prey man's going to kill. that scorpion. That scorpion doesn't.

have a [ __ ] chance. >> I don't know if. >> that's what I'm guessing. >> I don't. >> Yeah, look. He's already on top of him. >> What? >> Yeah, he just mounted them. >> But then look, he's avoiding the. >> Yeah, he's going to figure it out. >> He's also avoiding the stinger. Like, what is happening? >> What is happening? They're probably both. trying to figure out why they're in. there together. >> Oh my god. Like, this is the [ __ ] of. nightmares for me. >> Praying mantises are not They're. monsters. They're See if you can find. videos of praying mantises eating. roaches. There's like a whole mantis uh.

page on Instagram where they put like a. different bug in there with praying. mantises. And. >> how do we know it's not AI created. though, guys? >> Because this has been around for years. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Praying mantises. Oh, look. They. they [ __ ] up giant lizards. They kill. lizards. Like the lizard tried to eat. him at the beginning of it. >> Oh my god. >> If you watch the video, the actual. video, the li the lizard tried to eat. him. He's like, "Not today, [ __ ] I'll. be eating you.". >> Oh my god. That poor lizard thought he. was going to eat the praying mantis and. the praying mantis is eating him. Like. we are so lucky that they're little.

>> We're so lucky. >> We are so I hate. >> cuz if they were big and smart. >> No. And then there's a bird. I don't. want to see the bird. >> Is he killing that bird? Oh my god. The. one I found which I hadn't seen before. It's It's hanging upside down from a. flower eating right here eating the. >> Oh my god. It's like. >> It's a It's a big bird, too. >> That is wild. >> My god. They they are just monsters. I. mean that's like Alien from the movie. Alien. That's what it's like. >> Oh my god. >> It's just little. >> The My entire mind has been blown.

>> Right. Look at that. That's what a. praying mantis can do. Hang upside down. while it's eating a bird. >> and literally hanging on to the petals. of a flower. >> like it's nothing. >> upside down. >> and with no strain at all. It's not. >> whatever. It's carrying a [ __ ] bird. that's like five times bigger than it. >> size like a barn swallow. >> It's crazy. >> Oh my god. The crazy thing is these. stupid lizards that think they're going. to eat them. >> Oh my god. >> I mean, it is such a bizarre creature.

>> I don't want to see any. beauty. >> Oh, they do it all the time. They get. hummingbirds. >> So, he's just. >> A lot of these have no action, though, too. I've seen people trying to capture. stuff. But these go back as long as. YouTube does. Some of those are. 15-year-old videos. >> That's. >> Those are the ones I would try. Oh, but. they get them so quickly. Why do they. stop moving so quickly? >> They're so fast. >> Cuz they're so strong, too. >> That one looks fake. >> AI. I mean, now it's created within four. weeks. I start going, "All right, >> oh, that looks that looks like AI. That's AI." But the other ones are those.

cell phone ones are real. They're just. unbelievably strong. >> That's crazy. I had no idea. >> Yeah. And if there's like a spaceship. filled with those [ __ ] and they're. all smart, they're way smarter than us. >> We're done. I think I saw a. three-year-old boy getting ready to take. on a praying mantis, too. I think he's. going to lose in one of those videos. So, future generations are not looking. good right now. >> Yeah, if you walk up to a mantis, they'll be like, "What, [ __ ] Stand. up.". >> They will. And they're going to. >> fight. They will. >> We're just lucky they're little, you. know? >> Right. >> It's terrifying. It's absolutely I'm.

going to go home and and tell my husband. all about this. Not my daughter. >> So, that's what they have to think about. with this 31 atlas. If it's if it's. filled with reptilians, then we got. problems. >> What's going on? Oh my god. I cannot. laugh at children. Oh no. See, I told. you there was one. Oh Jesus. Oh god. >> He's just He's like, "Fuck you." He. tried to eat the baby. >> He did. He tried to eat the baby. >> That's how gangster prays. >> Oh my god. It went after that baby. He. was like, "Fuck you. I will eat your. entire body.". >> The thing that's crazy before someone.

comes to rescue you. >> We don't think of them as being like. vicious. >> No. I look at them and think that. they're super cool. Like I I would have. been that three-year-old kid if I'd ever. seen one in our yard. I would have been. like, "Hey, honey.". >> A regular like green mantis. They've. There are some wild mantises out there. >> Stop. There's more. >> Look at that one. >> Kung Fu mantis. >> Wow. Look at that one. >> Those are beautiful. What? What is that. one called? Kung Fu mantis. >> KFU. Yeah. >> What a beautiful looking insect. Just.

>> imagine a planet where that's the size. of a horse. No, we're [ __ ] if that's. what's on this this uh copper thing. that's coming toward us. >> We just got super lucky that the insect. world is small. >> It's true. >> Somehow or another, it worked out that. way where the insect world is small. Cuz. if the insect world was as big as the. mammal world, it would be a wash. It. would be over. >> Like if they were the size of elephants. >> Well, if they're size of dogs, they'd. they'd kill us all. >> That's true. >> Look what that [ __ ] that one praying. mantis can do. Oh, look at that one.

Looks like a flower. >> That's a praying man. What is that. thing? >> Yeah, that's the That's the one we were. just looking at. This little guy. >> Yeah. >> And that's a bigger one. >> Big giant mantis. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> That's crazy. >> I don't know. We have to listen to the. video to hear what kind it is. >> What is it? What is it going to do? Like. where's Oh, its head's the white part in. the front. >> Yeah, that thing. That looks like a. >> The arms folded up. >> Whoa. >> Wait, where's his arms folded up? >> Oh, his arms are folded right in front. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. He just.

Oh my god. He just bit his head off. >> Oh yeah. >> Whoa. >> Whoa. >> Maybe they just mated. Who knows? >> Jeez. >> That's what the females do after mating. >> They do. They just eat him. >> Yep. >> Yeah. They [ __ ] up the men. >> Yeah. But that's. >> that's how you stay small. Nature's. like, "You're too [ __ ] gangster. We. have to keep you little. >> We have to keep you." It's like. Chihuahua. >> and honey badgers. Imagine if badger was. the size of a wolf. We'd have a real. problem. A real problem. Real problem. >> You got to make them little. So they're. so gangster they just.

they never could take over the whole. forest. >> American honey badger is just like. >> I can imagine if like a honey badger was. the size of a horse and they just take. over entire swast of land. >> There probably were things like that. You know. >> there probably were back in the day and. now we have chickens left. >> Do you have to keep up on a certain. amount of sci-fi because of playing. Starbucks? Do you feel like an. obligation to your fans to like hold on. to a certain amount of sci-fi. information? >> Yes and no. I I feel um that I have to.

maintain and hold on to a respect for. the genre um and the knowledge and that. I will never have that there are people. that can come up to me and tell me the. entire history of Star Wars. And I I. before I was in Star Wars, I considered. myself a Star Wars fan. >> And then I got in Star Wars and I was. like, "Oh, I don't know [ __ ] about. anything.". >> It's a big ass universe now. >> It is,

>> especially now keeping up on Mandalorian. stuff. It's like, >> "No, you can't keep up on anything." So, I just I always just say, "I would love. to know more about that. Can you please. >> That's good. >> Can you please enlighten me?" Because I. don't know. I really don't know. Oh, and. like these, you know, I have found that. the sci-fi community especially, like. one of my favorite things is going to. conventions because I love I just I love. meeting people and like new people and. meeting the people that are fans of the. work and we always have things in common.

and and I would I would be so bold as to. to say that sci-fi fans are some of the. smartest. um people I've ever met. Um, >> I'm sure they're all a lot of nerds. >> They're very very very smart and and um. I I just I can I cannot compete with. that. I can I can tell you the lines. that I can't forget. >> There are lines like from Battlestar. Galactica, we've got violent.

decompressions are radiating from the. Port Flight Pod. >> I thought I was going to be fired. because I couldn't say it. I had to. write it down. I had to tape it to my. Viper. I was like, "Oh my god, they're. going to find out. I'm Oh my god." like. I'm I I shouldn't be here. This is. crazy. I'm an impostor. And then I find. now I can't forget it. I had a line from. Mandalorian that I couldn't remember for. the life of me. And so I kept memorizing. it with my husband and he was throwing. tennis balls at my face. So we were I. was catching tennis balls as I was.

memorizing it because God, >> it was that hard. >> It was very hard. But it was um pirate. King Gorian Shard is captaining a. cumulus class corsair of violent snub. fighters. >> Oh Jesus. Yeah. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. It was just like. >> somebody hates you in the writer room. >> It's possible. You know, you never know. >> That seems so mean to make someone try. to say that. You say it. [ __ ] you say. it first. >> It's true. There are times I have I have. since like uh Ron Moore was on my. podcast and I told him that like for 25.

years I have not been able to forget. this [ __ ] violent decompressions line. and he was like I'm so sorry. That's. hilarious. That's very funny. >> cuz he's aware like he's aware that you. know he's making actors say [ __ ] that. she you should never have to say in real. life like you know and then furthermore. you have to try and decipher it you know. like one of my jobs is to take something. I don't understand and then say it with. authority as if I do understand it so I. have to dissect it and learn what. certain things mean and if I don't. understand it I have to give it context.

in something that I do understand in. order to like sound like I am not an. idiot. >> right. >> which at times It's hard. So, you know, it's it's it's God, the the jargon is I. learned the tennis ball technique with. my husband, though. That's a great. technique. >> That sounds like a good technique. Like, if you remember why you're catching. tennis balls, then you really remember. it. >> Yeah, >> that that is a crazy sentence to try to. remember. >> Yeah, it was not easy. >> Not easy. >> You're a part of something that that. people in in sci-fi that I think is very.

interesting. Sci-fi is um I think the. genre of action that has the most badass. women. >> 100%. Yeah. At least it did. It did for. a long time. >> I think the OG is obviously Sigourney. Weaver. >> 100%. >> That. >> I mean that is like an aside. No one is. like, "Oh, it's a strong female lead.". That is an aside to an insane movie and. an amazing performance.

>> Like that last scene when she kills that. thing. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> 1979. >> Yes. Amazing. That character when I saw. that movie, >> I was like, I. >> I want to be her. >> Cuz up till then I only wanted to be. Bruce Willis. I wanted to like save the. Nakadomi building, you know? Like I. wanted. >> these I loved action movies with my dad. and and when he started realizing that I. had this affinity toward these movies. He started showing me movies with strong. female leads and Sigourney was the one.

where I saw that performance and and she. was everything. She was strong. She was. capable. She was smart. She was. feminine. She was funny. She was so she. was everything. Um and. >> and it was a perfect movie. >> It was a perfect movie. It was a perfect. movie. >> Number number two, possibly better even. Yeah. This is a scene where she blows it. out. Um I disagree. >> You do? >> Yes. Cuz number two, the aliens are too.

kill easy to kill. >> This [ __ ] so hard to kill. >> So hard to kill. >> And then in the second one, they're just. gunning them down. >> Yeah. >> It was a different thing. It's a. different thing. >> Look, they're both great movies. I. really loved Ali Yens, but the thing. about Alien, the first one was that. thing was re amazing movie. I mean, >> just the way that I mean just the I mean. it's just such an amazing shot. It's a It's a perfect movie. >> The framing of that is. >> There was never one moment in that movie. where you saw what was coming next.

>> No, because we hadn't seen anything like. it. >> Nothing. The chest burster scene. I. remember being a movie theater. >> Look at the utter [ __ ] exhaustion on. her face. >> Crazy. >> Yeah, >> the chest burster scene was like, "What. the [ __ ]. >> What?" I remember being in the movie. theater. I had no idea that was going to. happen. There was no internet back then. I'm like, "This movie is nuts.". >> And that little thing was running around. on the ground and his chest was burst.

open. Everyone's screaming. There's. blood everywhere. It was wild. >> This is one of probably in my opinion. one of the best movies of all time. >> Oh, I agree 100%. >> And again, the fact that it was a strong. female lead was just a tiny little part. of the movie. It was just she was so. good. You didn't even think, oh, it's a. strong female lead. You're like, Cory. Weaver is a bad. >> They didn't tell you this is a strong. female lead. >> No. Exactly. Because. >> they just created a phenomenal character.

and made her a woman. >> Exactly. And she just played the part. perfectly. >> Yeah. >> This [ __ ] scene was so nuts. >> It was so nuts cuz you didn't know what. is happening. I know. >> Like people have to realize like before. movies were spoiled, there was no. spoiler alerts back then. You didn't get. to watch clips, >> but even just the way it's shot, the. frenetic energy of the camera. >> Yeah. >> Matching the frenetic energy of his. body. >> Yeah.

>> This is such a crazy scene. >> It's crazy, >> bro. again. 1979 this is happening. I mean. the special effects back then were nuts. >> to have something like I mean this is. probably the greatest believable monster. special effects in any movie up to this. point. I mean by far that was a little. [ __ ] That one was like it was on. wheels. That was a little silly.

>> It's on a piece of string. Someone's. pulling it. >> Yeah, it moved a little weird. But you. know it's an alien scared of [ __ ]. though. >> I'm still scared. But then when you see. the actual alien itself, you're like, "What the hell is that?" And you never. saw anything like that before. Not only. was it completely unique in its design, it was horrific and it it looked like an. insect. >> like like an insect and a reptile at the. same time. Yeah, it sci-fi was a place. because I so I was a huge fan of strong.

women and and genre work and and I found. myself gravitating toward sci-fi because. that's where women existed that I. identified with and I saw myself like, you know, I didn't see myself as like. this, you know, well, the characters I. played when I moved to California, they. didn't it didn't feel like me, you know, and Um um I really. found sort of my calling I guess when I.

started watching those women and and I. loved Sarah Michelle Geller and I I. loved Lucy Lawless and I loved Linda. Hamilton and um uh Carrie Fischer and. like a lot of these women that were uh. just really really great characters and. they were written as great characters. and Starbucks was and if you talk to Ron. Moore about it The reason why he made. Starbucks and Boomer women, he didn't. think about it. He just said, "Okay, we've got these are the characters from.

the original. These are the characters. we're going to put in my version. Women. are in the military. Women do exist in. combat roles now, and we are making this. for, you know, the early. We have to be. representative of what the military. looks like. We need to make a couple of. these characters fit women." And he just. said, "This one and this one." He didn't. even give it any thought, you know. Um, and so. I think part of the reason why they were. so great, the characters were so great.

was that they were just great. characters, >> right? >> That the writing was so great. There was. never a time where um they were like, "She's the best female pilot around, >> right?". >> You know, it was. >> like Linda Hamilton and Terminator. It's. like she's just a great it's just. >> a great character. um and with a. motivation that we all can identify. with. So it's it's and and that's why. she was such a great character and and. you know she opened so many doors for me.

and and because then people started to. believe that I was tough. >> and how many girls started doing. chin-ups after they saw Linda Hamilton. in the Terminator. >> Please. And it's chin-ups are [ __ ]. hard. >> I know she's jacked. >> She's jacked. I did. >> she got so fit for that movie. I did a. Spartan race with um my husband cuz my. on my podcast channel I was you know. during COVID and then like before CO we. were I was creating content of sort of. like Katie did sort of stuff like I'd. love to do this. Let's film it and see. what it's like. So we signed up for a.

Spartan race and then recorded the whole. thing and and my husband not only ran. his race but then ran my race too like. recording the whole thing. Um that's the. hardest thing I've ever done like. getting in shape for that thing. I got. in shape for six months before. That was. hard. And getting to a point where I. actually could do chin-ups and then also. pull-ups, too. I was like, "Wow, >> I'm strong." Like, I felt so strong at. one point. So, I get to the actual race. and I've been training with such heavy. [ __ ] that I got to the medicine ball. where you have to pick it up, carry it,

and throw it, and then pick it up and. carry it and throw it. And it was so. light for me, and I was prepared for it. to be like so heavy. I got to it and I. picked it up and then like I threw it. and it kept going and I had to slow down. because I had to go get the ball and. bring it back to where it was supposed. to be. I'd gotten almost too strong. >> That's hilarious. >> It was really awesome. It was so fun. >> It's nice to know that you can get. strong though. That like that feeling is. a nice feeling. I wish everybody felt. that. >> Yeah. >> Just get get physically better. You'll. feel better. >> But I had fun doing it. You know what I.

mean? And I also set myself a goal. I. think that's really important too. like. for some people that it's daunting is. setting a goal and and the goal doesn't. need to be winning. The goal just needs. to be. >> finishing. >> Why do you think it is that like sci-fi. in particular embraced these like. gangster women characters? >> So my opinion on this Yeah. is that I. feel like um because science fiction. doesn't exist because there you're.

existing in these makebelieve worlds. >> that uh strong women were not. intimidating. >> um in sci-fi. >> because we could be dismissed as not but. that wouldn't happen in real life. >> Interesting. >> So that's. >> interesting. >> So men could then watch these. >> and not be threatened. >> Mhm. That's my opinion. >> I bet I bet you're right. I bet that's. that's the only thing that makes sense. now that I'm thinking about it. >> Yeah, I think so. >> Because like. there's no female John Wick.

>> No, you know. No. >> Well, there is that one. No, that one. The Emily one. The one that Kevin James. was in. It's a crazy movie about this uh. young girl who. >> just kills all these bad guys. Like. >> I have no idea. >> It's kind of like tongue and cheek. Like. it's but it's hyper violent. It's crazy. That's what it's called, right? Emily. >> I think there's two of them. There was. one where this they they killed her dad. and they they killed her family and so.

she killed everybody. >> and then she came and then the second. one she came back and killed more. people. It's like a young cute girl who. just knows how to kill everybody. >> I mean, look, it's kind of fun. It's. kind of fun. It's a funny movie. >> When I went through uh. >> What is it, Jamie? >> Not Megan. Um, whatever Kevin James was. in, it was about a young girl who kills. everybody. >> Kevin James. >> Yeah, Kevin James was a bad guy. He was. uh he played a white supremacist. >> That movie is called Becky. >> Becky. That's Becky. Yeah. Isn't there.

there was a there's a second one though, right? >> Well, there's a movie called Emily and. there's a. >> What was the James? >> No, it is Becky. You're right. But there. was a movie before Becky, I believe. >> 72% on Rotten Tomatoes is pretty good. The Wrath of Becky also came out. >> That's right. I just saw Ballerina. That's it. That's the first one, right? >> No, this is the second one. >> That's the second one. >> This is the first one. >> I thought there was a prelude to it. Either way. >> Yeah. >> Fun ass movie. >> Oh, Joel McCale's in it. >> Yeah. Yeah. He's great.

>> Fun. >> It's a fun ass movie. >> Um, >> but it's like that's the female John. Wick. Well, I think everybody's trying. to create these like strong female. characters now. And and I think that. >> one of the biggest problems with a lot. of them is that they're. >> they're not focusing on the character to. begin with, like we talked about, like. write a strong character, >> right? >> And then just make her a woman, >> right? >> You know, like. >> don't write a strong character that you. have to have a woman, >> right? >> Don't I think that's part of it. Um. because they're all trying to create.

there's so many of them now, right? And. I love to see them and I love to give. them chances, but a lot of times the the. I want to also see somebody that's. believable in the role as well, right? Um like one of the funnest the things. that I love to do is transform my body. depending on what character I'm playing. Um within reason. There's only so much I. can do or that I want to do. But you. know, for my show Another Life, I my. character wakes up from cryo. I wanted. her to look like dehydrated and senuey.

and like really really really lean, like. almost unhealthy lean. And I got myself. down to such a low body fat. It was. crazy. It was like. >> What did you eat to get down like that? >> Uh 14450 a day. Um 1550 a day, something. around that that time. Um when I was. cutting. Um, but I packed on muscle and. then cut like really hard for like uh. three weeks before. Um, and I was eating.

a lot of protein. Um, and I got myself. so low that my menration stopped and I. was like, "Oh, this is too low. This is. really low." Um, >> that happens with a lot of marathon. runners. >> Yeah, it was quite low. But I I got to. where I wanted to be. I looked the way I. wanted to look and then I naturally put. on, you know, a healthy amount of weight. as the series went on, which is what I. wanted to do anyway. Um, but so I want. to see not someone do something. detrimental to their health necessarily,

but I I do want to I want to see the. muscle. I want to see the capability in. a character that's kicking ass, you. know? >> Right. You want it to be believable. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Like when they all got in insane shape. for that movie 300. >> Oh my god. It's like that would be like. the best job in the world for me if. they're like, "We're going to give you. tons of time and tons of money to just. get in the best shape of your life.". Like, >> here's some trainers. We got like six. months.

>> Let's do it. >> There was a lot of people that thought. that they used AI for that. They used. some AI for sure because that was a. crazy moment. >> for 300. >> Yeah. >> Well, they used. >> 300 had a lot of AI because it was. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why. >> Excuse me. I should say not AI. I should. say CGI. >> It had CGI for sure. That's what I. should say because obviously the giant. Persian king was not really that big. There was there was a lot of like. fantasy elements of that where but I. think they really did get in insane. shape and a lot of people like dismissed.

that and said that's CGI but there's. videos of those guys working out like. getting ready. Yeah. Look at these guys. just going crazy getting ready to film. this movie. I mean they trained like. animals. >> Mhm. So you could see the work out. So. >> they really did just develop incredible. bodies, which. >> the nutty thing is anybody can do. >> You just have to do it. Do what they. did. You'll get a lot better. >> It's a lot of hard work though. It's not. that easy though. Yes. It it on paper is.

easy. But like being the mom of two kids. though. >> Oh yeah. like it's and having a job. I. in the last two years I I it I'm. hardressed to find time to work out and. I wake up at five o'clock in the morning. so I'm awake and before my my kids. >> and you know I choose during that time. to you know meditate, write in my. journal, breathe, take time to myself. and then they wake up. I haven't quite. figured out how to fit in my workouts. >> Well, that's an obligation that's very.

different, right? you're a mother, you. know, and that you're doing the absolute. right thing. You're dedicating all your. time to being a mom when you're there. Like, that's just how it is. >> But for, you know, for the amount of hours that are that. are in a day, it would be nice if you. could just get a little time to. yourself. As they get older, you'll have. more time to yourself and then you'll be. able to get back on track. But. >> yeah, >> for people that have the time and don't. do it, that's the wasted.

potential of your resources. Like you. don't have to do a lot. Just do some. body squats and do some push-ups and. >> and you don't need a lot of equipment. either. I think that's the thing. I. think that we've made physical fitness. in some way because it's an industry. I. think we've made it daunting for a lot. of people. And you know, I think that. that if you just focus on the things the. tried and true. >> like you can do that stuff in your house. without weights or with things that are. heavy in your house, you know, you can. actually make progress.

>> Sure. And if you don't know anybody to. teach you how to do stuff, all you have. to do is go on YouTube. Just go on. YouTube and look up beginner bodyweight. workout. I'm sure there's a bunch of. them out there. Yeah. >> And you can do stuff with no physical. fitness equipment. Just do push-ups and. sit-ups and bodyweight squats and you. can get a great workout in that way. It's. >> true. >> And nobody has to watch you. You don't. have to feel self-conscious. Just you. and your phone. >> [ __ ] You can go to my YouTube channel. because during co I was doing my. workouts and I said to my husband, I was. like, "Might as well record this [ __ ]. and put it out there." So yeah, and all.

of them are fun and interesting and easy. and people still come up to me and. they're like, I lost, you know, um a man. came up to me at a convention the other. day, said he lost over 80 pounds doing. the workouts that I put um and signed up. for a Spartan race, Spartan race. And I. was like, that's awesome. I love that. That's so cool. >> That's very cool. See, that's a great. thing. They they're your fans. They see. you working. I'm like, oh my god, I want. to work out with her. >> And everybody works out together. Great. >> See, that's the great use of the. internet. Yeah, the internet has a lot. of great uses.

>> You can learn anything on the internet. >> You can learn anything. You can find out. stuff, how to how to make things and fix. things and. get information about something you. never thought you were interested in. Like look, you never thought that. praying mantises were so scary. >> And now I know. But you know what I'm. doing? >> What? >> I'm now already in my head trying to. write a children's book about praying. mantis. >> Oh, you are? >> I am. It's like that's my ADHD. Like I'm. already. >> It started once you saw that. >> Once I did. Oh, that's hilarious. >> Yeah. >> Well, I want a copy of that book. It. probably be cool.

>> It's going to be a pop-up book. So, every time you move it, the praying. mantis is like. >> there. We just for some reason miss them. in the when we're describing the most. ruthless animals on Earth. We miss the. praying mantis cuz they might be the. gangster of gangsters. >> I think they might be. Do they ever. attack together? Do they work in. coordination? >> That's a good question. If they did, they'd be unstoppable. >> because that would be. >> That's Starship Troopers. That would be. like if a bunch of women like cycled. their periods, they could we could take. over the world, >> right?

>> Especially with those headsets. Get. those Google heads really because then. we just talk to each other. >> Like [ __ ] would be that would be on. fire. Like it would be on fire. We'd. like, you know, take over some crazy. [ __ ]. >> for sure. >> That would be awesome. >> That would be awesome. >> Well, maybe that's a good use of. technology. I know you're anti-AII. Maybe for that. >> I am anti- AAI because I am in. self-preservation mode here. >> I get it. I am desperate to be like. >> I am I matter. Damn it.

>> Not just to my family, >> right? >> You know, >> I know. I think we're all going to be. like that soon. >> I don't know. I don't think so. I think. it'll We'll We'll always find a place. You just have to be malleable and you. have to figure out. where to, you know, I don't know. Adjust. >> Yes. Pivot. >> Yeah. There's going to be some pivoting. for sure. >> A lot of pivoting. >> Um, how often do you do your podcast? >> So, my podcast is once a week, every. Tuesday. >> What's it called?

>> It's called the Sack Off Show. >> Okay. >> It was called blah blah blah, but people. couldn't find it. >> Oh, that's funny. >> Um, so we just changed it to the Sackoff. Show. And um, we're actually, like I. said, doing uh in the new year a. Battlestar Galactica rewatch as well. because I've, like I said, I've never. seen it. So, I'm curious. >> That's kind of crazy that you've never. seen it. The Sack Off show sounds funny, too. It's like it's your last name, but. it's also it's like it's like a fun name. for a show. >> Well, we'll see. I mean, it is fun. I. have a lot of fun. I'm just trying to be.

like, you know, a tenth as good at it as. you are, Joe. >> Oh, sweet. >> Well, you're very good at this. There's. a reason why you're the best at it. You've been doing it a long time. And, you know, you worked your ass off. >> Well, uh, I'll just tell you what I did. I just talked to people that I'm. interested in. That's it. That's all you. have to do. >> I do that. It's really hard to to um. find the right audience in an. oversaturated market. >> Yeah. >> But it's happening. >> It is oversaturated.

>> It is. >> Um but it doesn't mean it's. inaccessible. If you're remarkable, you. you could pop through and sometimes. maybe it just takes coming on here and. then people will hear about it and go. watch it. >> Like Katie Sack, she's that chick from. Star Galactica. Uh, but you you seem like you'd be an. awesome podcaster. So, >> I have fun. I love talking to people and. and I it literally helped me figure out. that I was ADHD cuz I couldn't. I couldn't not talk on top of people. I.

was like, I listened I listened. >> I did. My first interview was Bryce. Dallas Howard. >> God love her. And I listened to it back. in the car with my husband and I was. like, "Oh my god, I don't stop talking.". >> Do you wear headsets? >> I do. >> You do? >> I do. >> That helps a lot because you hear the. talk, the overtalking, which we all tend. to do sometimes accidentally. Sometimes. you don't know when to come in. And. >> um but.

>> the it's a it's a learned skill. It's a. learned skill like everything else. It's. like everything else. And you you have. to learn different people, learn the. dance of different people. Some people. have just a different and always. in my mind, my number one goal is to try. to make the get the most out of them. Like get them to like have the most fun, the most. >> Yeah. >> Get the questions that stir their. interest the most. Like something I want. to know who you are like for real. For. real. Yeah.

>> Like I want to like help you be the best. version of you that you can when you're. doing it, >> you know? >> That's sort of my thing as well. Like I. wanted to, you know, one of the things. that came out of co for me was that and. I don't know about you, but I had weekly. conversations with girlfriends. I hadn't. talked to in years and we would like. every Tuesday at 4:00 we'd have a drink. and connect again. And. >> the conversations were wonderful because. we had the time to have them again. And. >> right. >> and then I started going back to. conventions and in the green room I was. having these wonderful conversations.

with people and I was like god I wish I. could record these. >> because they're really authentic and um. you're getting to see people in a very. different light and they're really. opening up because it's not like a. gotcha podcast like you know if you want. to cut something out you can cut. something out like I'm not here to like. ruin your career you know. >> um and. >> the conversations are really um. um interesting and people are talking. about things that they've never spoken.

about and it's just really fun. So, I've. really enjoyed it. >> Well, don't you think like you're. learning in the process as well? Isn't. that like one of the more fun parts of. it? The more you get to talk to. interesting people, the more you learn, the more you understand how other people. think and how they feel about stuff. >> Yeah. And it inspires the [ __ ] out of. me. You know, like if I have like a. month where I'm not hustling and someone. comes on the podcast and they're like, "I got six things in production. I'm. doing this. I wrote an album. I got a. book coming out, man. I got six kids.". I'm like, "Fuck.".

>> There's a work harder, though, isn't. there? >> Oh, of course there is. Of course there. is. And I think that I've found the the. right balance. I have the right partner. that's like super supportive and we're a. real good team and um and yeah, it's. just it's I've got I think I've got the. right balance. But there's always going. to be hustle in me. That's. >> of course you seem like you're well. balanced though. That's it's a good. thing to say. >> I try. You should ask my husband and be. like that [ __ ] is crazy. >> I'm just I'm just going to go on my. instincts. I don't want to hear any.

contrary data. >> Well, thank you very much for being. here. This was a lot of fun. I really. enjoyed I was a huge fan of you on the. show. So, >> thank you. >> It's cool to meet you. Well, more things. to come. I promise. I've got some some. really cool jobs in the in the can that. are. >> cool. Going to be Well, let's do it. again. Let's do it again sometime. I'd. love to have you in here again. >> I would love that. You'll have to come. on my podcast. >> I will do it. I'll do it. Bye, everybody. >> Bye. [Applause]. [Music].