Joe Rogan Experience #2398 - Francis Foster & Konstantin Kisin

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> So, what's happening? >> It's all good, man. >> When are you bailing out of your. country? I'm sinking. That That is the. [ __ ] Titanic. And you are one of the. last deck hands. >> We're going We're going to stand and. fight, man. >> Are you really? >> Yeah. >> Good luck. >> No, we are. >> Good luck. >> We're the guys. As long as it's still. okay. >> They're going to arrest you for saying.

stand and fight. >> It's a sitement of violence. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No, but it's got it's interesting. I mean, obviously you had Graeme Linhan. on the show. We're going to have him on. as well soon to talk about it. But he. his um they're not going to prosecute. him. And not only that, they also said. they are not going to investigate. non-crime hate incidents anymore. Do you. know what those are? >> Oh, interesting. It's basically when. you've committed no crime, but you're. still like hateful. >> Oh, okay. But that's also very. subjective, too.

>> Yeah, of course. So, they're not they're. not going to investigate them anymore, but they're still going to keep track of. them is what they've said. >> Oh, keep track. Just we've got an eye on. >> We're going to make We're going to make. a record of it, but won't investigate. No. >> So, are they going to stop arresting. people for social media posts then? >> What do you think, Joe? >> I think no. I think it's profitable. Well, >> it's probably a nice fine, right? What. do you get? you get a fine. >> Uh I don't think it's about that. I. think you know during the the Uber woke. era they put all these laws on the. statute book and the police have to.

enforce the law, right? They have no. choice cuz if a bunch of people complain. and then they don't investigate the. people that have been reported. >> Oh, that's what it's all about. >> They get in trouble. Of course, like if. you the ordinary like you know police. officers, right? Police officers don't. like enforcing these dumb laws. >> Of course, >> it's put on them from above. >> Yeah. I just didn't know that all that. stuff was put in place in your country. during the woke era. >> Yeah, it was. >> in the heavy rope. It's almost like a. fever dream, you know, when you really. go back and.

>> pay attention to some of the more insane. woke stuff from like just 5 years ago. Yeah. >> Like everyone was losing their [ __ ]. mind. >> It But like if I was an elite, if I was. one of those lizard people running the. world, I'd have been like, "Well, look. at here. This is really interesting.". Like this was just a cold. was just a. cold and a little bit of social media. input. And we got these people behaving. in a way that they'd never behaved. before. Admitting to things they' never. admitted to before, adhering to rules.

that never existed before. >> Yeah. I I think the thing that I found. the most the the worst bit about it. wasn't necessarily the behavior of the. elites. It was the behavior of ordinary. people during that time. The fact that. your neighbor was so willing to snitch. on you because you went for a second. walk. Well, that's why I was interested. in it as a lizard person. If I was a. lizard person elite, I'd be like, "Look, these people are dumb.". >> Like, this is really easy to manipe. I. was just talking to a buddy of mine. who's fleeing LA. >> and uh he was like, "I can't anymore. I. tried. I just [ __ ] I hung in there. I.

can't do it anymore." He's like, >> everybody went crazy. It's like it. there's something that happened because. of the pandemic and the Black Lives. Matter protest and the riots and all the. >> it just ch like whatever the temperature. of society was is like it hit societal. global warming where it's like it's time. to investigate Greenland. It's time to. move north. Like this is a bad climate. now. This sucks. >> And LA is a perfect example of this cuz. we talk about this all the time. You get. out of the airport at LAX. You feel that.

LA sun on your skin and you just go, "This is paradise.". >> Yeah. >> It's the whole you and then you walk out. and you see this. It's paradise. >> And they [ __ ] it up so bad that people. will literally pack up and leave. paradise. >> What do Donald Trump should do is when. he leaves the office, run for governor. of California. and just take over California and fix. it. It would be hilarious if he did. It. would be one of the funniest things of.

all time if an 82 year old man steps. into the office of governor of. California. We're gonna fix everything. You've got a problem with water. I know. how to get the water. >> It would be [ __ ] hilarious. >> But it's almost like so there's a very. old joke about Venezuela where God was. creating Venezuela and he was like, you. know what I'm going to do? I'm going to. make sure they have diamonds, they have. gold, they have desert, but they also. have jungle, they have beautiful. beaches. It's going to be rich in oil. and the whole and then the entire world.

goes, "Hey, that's unfair." Like, they've got to have something bad. And. God goes, "Yeah, you know what? You're. right. Let's give them the Venezuelans.". And that's almost like that with. California. You're like, "Call's too. perfect." You know what I mean? It's got. everything you need. So, what are you. going to do? You've got to give them. something [ __ ] up. And it's just these. crazy people who believe in these stupid. ideas. >> But it wasn't for a long time. I mean, you got to realize Arnold was the. governor of California, right? Um, and. then you know, Ronald Reagan's from. California. He was the governor of. California at one time, too.

>> It wasn't always that nuts. And when you. went back to when I went there in the. 1990s, it was much more moderate. politically. >> Like, you know, people were definitely. left-leaning, but it wasn't a focus. It. wasn't a thing that was discussed all. the time. It would just it wasn't. And I. remember working with many like older. actors who were openly conservative. No. one cared. >> It was just like, "Oh, this is Bob. You. know, he's really into Bob Dole." Like,

you know, it wasn't it wasn't unusual. >> Something happened around the Obama. administration. Something happened. specifically around his second term that. really changed everything. And if you. look at like internet um like searches. and use of certain words uh especially. racism it flies. It just hits a giant. >> 2014. Yes. 2014 right around then. >> And it's not just in America. >> It's literally everywhere in the world.

That's why I think it's social media. that's caused that. >> 100%. It's social media and it's it's. there's a there's a bunch of factors, but the problem is now that the genie. out of the bottle, they know how easy we. are to manipulate. >> And I don't think people are learning. They're tick- tocking all day long and. they're just like getting blasted with. all this negativity and strife and. global conflict and Colombian. assassinations. That's what I get. >> A lot of these assassinations in like. cafes. Someone pulls up on a scooter,

bang, bang. and they drive off and. everybody screams. I've seen a hundred. and thousand of those. I've seen, >> you know, it's like everybody's like. completely ramped up and at the same. time you've got people in the UK getting. arrested for Facebook posts. >> about immigration. >> So, I think part of the problem is is. that people when they go on these posts, they're not looking for to learn. something as you just said. What they. actually want is an emotional reaction. They want to feel something. >> Right. If you live in a society where. it's comparatively the easiest it's ever.

been and your life is boring because all. you do is get up, you go to work, you. go, you have food, you commute, you come. back. It's essentially a treadmill where. you don't feel any of the ups and downs. of emotion, right? >> Then what way would you get that? But by. going online and in seeing something. [ __ ] awful happening, you feel. terror, you feel sadness, you feel rage. At its most basic, you feel alive. Well, it's also just that's what you're. going to watch, you know, and so you're. getting sucked into it just because of. the algorithm, which is crazy. We no one.

ever considered algorithms before. We. considered access to information, but we. didn't consider that information be. curated to hold your attention span. And. all these factors have not been studied. well. You know, there's been a few guys. like Jonathan hate writing about it. A. few scholars that are really attempting. to like say, "Hey, what is the what's. the sociological and what what are the. what is the long-term consequences of. this happening?" Also, for children, these are the first children in the in. human history growing up on social. media. Never been done before. We don't.

know what that's like. Like what is it. going to change in terms of empathy, in. terms of hostility, acceptance of. violence, which is a completely brand. new thing on the left? Acceptance and. celebration of gun violence. Never. happened before when I was a kid. It. never existed. No one from the left ever. celebrated anybody getting assassinated. ever. Just wasn't a thing. >> It's so crazy, man. And you're talking. about like language as well. Like we. have this we have a the leader of the. Green Party in the UK, new guys coming. through. is very popular with people on.

the left on on that side of the left. anyway. And it's been what how long has. it been since Charlie Kirk was. assassinated? Like a month and Yeah. >> Right. And he's running around calling. like not not farright people just like. Nigel Farage is a Nazi is a fascist. And. you're just and you're going you and and. we've discussed this so many times with. you, man. It's like when you call people. these words. like if you and I and Francis thought. the Nazis were here to take over, we'd. all fight them. M. >> So what do you expect people to do when.

you put you're putting the target on. people's backs? >> You are 100%. And you're doing it in. just for. >> political persuasion power. That's. really all it is. It's like no one. really believes Nigel Farage is a. [ __ ] Nazi. He's kind of goofy, >> but he's not a Nazi. Like the what is a. Nazi then? And then here's the real. problem. This is what nobody wants to. admit. If you're in Nazi Germany and you're a. 20 year old man and you're German and.

everyone in your town is a Nazi, you're. probably a Nazi, too. >> Or you're Jew and you're running. >> You're running from these [ __ ]. So, either you're a Jew or you're a. Nazi. You're either Jewish or you're. you're a [ __ ] evil part of history. that everybody refers to as the worst. people of all time. >> Mhm. Absolutely. And you know we're. talking. >> scary. >> Yeah. >> But it's human nature. Sorry, Francis. Just we interviewed David Bus yesterday. You've had him on, right? Yes. Evolutionary. I mean, this is one of the.

things he talked about is like within us. is the ability. We have good adaptations. and we have evil adaptations. And if you. put people in a certain context and. those adaptations are in all of us. >> Yeah. Donner party. People eat people. Yeah. Yeah. You get get down to I might. die or I might eat somebody. You eat. people. >> Yeah, >> the guy's already dead. We should just. eat him. And then you all sit around and. go, "Oh my god, are we really going to. eat a person?" And then you're eating a. person like everybody does. They all.

have. Very few people just starve to. death when you could just eat a person. who's already dead. >> And it's, you know, Zack Palansky, what. he does is to me the Green Party, >> the Green Party guy is completely wrong. But then there are people on the far. left. So there's a member of parliament. called Zara Sultana. Yes, that is her. real name. Zara Sultana. And yeah, >> she sounds like a boss in a video game. >> Yeah. >> Well, what's really interesting is she. she put a clip on her social media where. she goes and she set up this new.

far-left political party and she says, "We've got to fight fascists in. parliament. We got to fight them in the. ballot box." And you're going, "All. right, look, I don't like the the. rhetoric." And then she says something. even more interesting and we've got to. fight them in the streets. Now you think to yourself, right, if you. classify Nigel Farage and the people who. vote reform in the UK, which may well. win the general election, which may well. be the biggest political party and. already represents a sizable portion of.

the UK, you're effectively advocating. violence and it's incitement to violence. as far as I'm concerned. But because. she's on the far left, she's deemed to. be a good person, that's somehow okay. Whereas if Nigel said something like. that along those lines, you know that. people would be like, "This is a. fascist. This is evil. This is. disgusting. You shouldn't say that.". >> You're also weaponizing mental illness. Cuz one of the things that we know now. very clearly because of all these. YouTube videos, all these people that go. to these protests and start interviewing.

folks, some of these people are clearly. not well. And this is the thing they've. attached themselves to. This is their. tribe. This is whether it's no kings or. [ __ ] Ice or whatever whatever the tribe. is. This is their tribe now and the. they're schizophrenic or they're you. know fill in the blank whatever the. mental illness is and you're weaponizing. them by calling these people who just. differ with you politically or more. conservative. You're calling these. people the enemy of humanity.

>> It's very scary. >> It is very and you know I'm one of the. people that has gone along to a lot of. protests. There's a lot of wild people. there. >> Oh yeah. You've done some great. interviews at those protests. Yeah. It's. just when they're confronted with a. person who's actually asking them. questions, it's remarkable how few. people know why they're there. >> They they don't know. Like when you get. into specifics, this guy did this thing. today uh where he was uh talking with. people that know Kings. I'm going to. send it to you, Jamie, cuz it's it's. it's you know, I mean, I understand why.

they responded the way they did, but but. it is absolutely fascinating to watch. because it just shows you what Let me. find this real quick. It just shows you. how much these things that people get. involved in aren't bait Oh, this ain't. it. Hold on. [ __ ] I hate when I do this. I thought I. saved it. I might not have saved it. Damn. Oh, I did save it. No, I might not.

have. Sorry. Sorry. No, I don't think I. did. So, anyway, this guy was um he was. interviewing people and he was like, "Uh, is this this is about human. rights?" And they're like, "Yeah, like. uh are you guys like fully in supportive. of human rights? See if you can find. this guy. He's got a beard and long. hair." And um they're like, "Yes, absolutely." He goes, "What about four. fetuses in the womb?" And everybody. walks away. Everybody was like, >> "Yeah, >> that's unhuman or that I don't." And he.

does it to everybody. And like he looks. like a hippie, you know? So he's like, "So you guys are for sure for human. rights?" And like, "Oh, yeah. Human. rights is why we're here. You believe in. human rights for everyone?" Yes. What. about unborn babies? >> And you see this look on the. It's almost like everybody's under a. spell. >> Yeah. >> Like some evil They are under a spell. Yes. This is the guy. Yeah. This is him. This is him. Check this out. This is. wonderful. I love when people do things. like this. >> Can you refresh?

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> We're in favor of them. >> Uh for everybody. >> Yes. >> How about the unborn? >> Human rights? >> Yes, of course. >> For everybody? >> Yes, of course. >> Even people in the womb? Uh, well, it all depends on uh if they're actually. a baby or not. >> Science says they are. >> Well, it depends on what science you're.

talking about. >> 96% of all biologists, according to the. NIH. Thoughts on human rights? >> I'm all for them. >> Yeah, me too. >> Especially now, right? >> For everybody, right? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Even the unborn. >> Um, >> an unborn. What? >> Uh, unborn in the womb. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. No rights for them. Thoughts on. human rights? >> That's what we're here for. >> Uh, for everybody, right? >> Yes. >> Including the unborn. >> No. >> Everyone has autonomy to not kill. I.

think he's like, "No, dull. >> Stop taking rides away. >> Get out of here. >> Nazi lives don't matter." It says on. that guy's shirt that's just screaming. >> Yeah. >> Nazi lives don't matter. >> Who's that guy? Give him some props. Uh, I don't know. Here's the channel. >> What is the channel? The survivors US. >> That might be here. >> That's him. J. R O WL. He only has 704 followers.

That's outrageous. >> He's going to have a few more now. >> He'll have more now. That was very I. mean, look, >> that guy's nodding along. You can see. he's like ready for the next Yes. I. think no. >> It's so weird. That's such a good trick. It's such a good trick, but it's so. weird. It's so weird. It's It's so weird. to watch this like ideological boundary. Like, nope. No nuance there. No room for. nuance. >> And I don't I don't remember if you. played this when we were here last. I. went to a pro Palestine protest and. there was, you know, there's a lot of.

people there. Some of them are. interesting and make good points. But. there was this group of six young kids. and I walked up to them and they had the. sign which says something something. socialist inifard, right? And I was. like, I I don't know what socialist. inifard means. So I said, "What what. does that mean?" And he was like, "I. sorry if I'm being honest. I picked up. the sign over there.". And I went, "Do any of you know what. inif means?" And none of them in is an. armed armed uprising. That's what it. means, right? >> What What do you think like AI defines. socialist inif as?

>> Let's Google find out. >> It depends what AI you ask, Charlie. >> Well, let's ask perplexity. Perplexity. is one of our sponsors. Let's see what. socialist. >> How smooth was that? But I really want to know like what AI. would say. Like that sounds. preposterous. >> Yeah. >> I want to know how AI would describe. that. >> Yeah. Because sometimes chat GPT just. you ask them these questions and went. well you know it depends who you are. Some people might Yeah. Some people. might say that it's an uprising and.

others might see it as blah blah blah. and you're like. >> how does perplexity define it Jamie? >> How do you spell. >> how do you define socialist inif? I got it. >> I f. >> You see, we're in Britain. We know how. to spell that word, mate. >> Yeah, that word doesn't get doesn't get. chucked around a lot out here. >> Every day we come out, it's the inifard. It's like, of course, it is. You know. what I mean? Like. >> people hear about it on Twitter and they. go, I don't know what they're talking. about. They just scroll down. >> Come to Britain, you'll find out, my.

friend. >> What do we got? >> Oh, here it is. Socialist inifat combines. two distinct ideas. The Arabic concept. of inif inifat and the political. ideology of socialism. So the meaning of. inifada means uh shaking off or uprising. in Arabic and historically refers to. popular resistance movements. particularly the Palestinian uprising. against Israel occupation in 1987 and.

2000. It denotes collective rebellion. often led by the oppressed using acts of. protest, civil disobedience and. sometimes violence to resist injustice. and occupation. Interesting. Also often. led by the oppressed is interesting. >> It's an interesting addition, isn't it? >> Yeah, it's an interesting addition. Seems seems like that's human. That's a. human addition to this thing. Mhm. >> You know, socialist socialist inifat. refers to the framing of the uprising. not merely as a national liberation. struggle but as a class-based social.

revolution. Marxists and socialist. movements view such an inifat as a mass. movement of workers and a youth using. class struggle methods. Send in the. tsunami right now. Send in the tsunami. and make people live off fish that they. have to catch for just a month and all. this [ __ ] goes away. Just give me. something. Yeah, >> give me a small asteroid. Give me. something. Give me something. Give me an. alien invasion. Just give me something. to [ __ ] shake these kids by the. collar and go, "Shut the [ __ ] up. Just.

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need to take responsibility. So I did uh. I went to a Palestine protest at UCLA uh. last year in May time and there were I. thought it was run by the kids. There. were a lot of adults there who weren't. students at UCLA and the kids when they. saw some of the kids when they saw what. I was doing and I was doing interviews, they were like, "He doesn't go to my. college. He doesn't go to my college. >> He doesn't go to my college. That dude's. in his early 50s. He's not on the. faculty staff. What is he doing here?". Yeah, they're being paid. They're part.

of an NGO. They're part of something. They're part of something that's decided. that this is a good idea to get these. students to be engaged in these things. and and it's funded. That's what's. weird. >> When I went to we had uh protest, I'm. sure you saw, which were about illegal. immigration. People would protest. outside of like uh illegal immigrant. hotels where they're kept. And you had. protesters and counterprotest. One thing. I noticed is like all the. pro-immigration protesters, they all.

have like professionally made signs. It's all organized. >> Um, >> no misspellings. >> No. And when you dig when you when you. dig deep, it's it's organized by all. these very well-named organizations, you. know, stand up to racism or whatever. >> And then you dig deeper and it's the. revolutionary socialist workers party or. whatever behind it. And this is all the. stuff that Mike Ben's covered. A lot of. that stuff is being funded by US Aid, >> you know, Rep. Paulina Luna, you know.

who she is? >> You had her on recently, right? >> Fascinating. Just her telling me about the book of. Enoch and alien stuff. That's why I had. her on. Like she believes in angels. She. had like a diagram of angels that she. put up on her Twitter. I'm like, "This. lady might be this might be fun." But um. she posted something on her Twitter um. yesterday that shows all the people that. donated to the No Kings protest like and. the the the number of corporations that. donated and how much money is involved. in it. It's. >> bananas. If she's accurate, if what.

she's saying is true, it's like this is. crazy. >> And the leverage now is so easy. You. don't actually need a lot. Like for. examp you know a group called Extinction. Rebellion. Are you familiar with this? No. >> So this is in in we have this in Europe. mostly. You guys don't have it here cuz. you're like we're going to burn all the. gas we want, right? But in Europe, obviously climate is like a massive. issue, net zero, etc., which is, I. think, a terrible idea. But anyway, we. have this movement called Extinction. Rebellion. I went to one of their. protests. There was literally 40 people.

there. But if you have a protest with 40. people and you film it and you put it on. social media, no one can know it's 40. people, >> right? You just hear a lot of noise and. see people and you go, "Oh my god, there's a protest. are outraged. >> Yeah, people are outraged. This is a big. movement, you know, the public really. and all this other stuff. >> So, the leverage you can get with a very. very small amount of money and a small. number of young impressionable people is. >> powerful. And then it goes on social. media where it's stripped of the context.

and suddenly we all believe this thing. is real, >> right? >> When it's 40 people. >> And then when you also have to take into. account if you go into a room with a 100. people, at least one of them is a. [ __ ] idiot. Okay? So, if you're being. really generous. So, if you're in a. country of 300 what 30 plus million. people, we don't really know. That's at. least. 3 million idiots. So, it's not hard to. get a 100,000 retards holding signs.

walking down the street. And especially. when they get older, cuz as people get. older, they generally slow down and they. don't think as well. And if you look at. a lot of these no kings protests, what. are you seeing? You're seeing geriatric. people holding signs. So you got old. losers, not even just losers, but old. losers where this is the end. They're. just looking for anything to get them. out of. They're watching the prices, right? They've already seen that one and. they're like, "Let's just join in on the. note with there. We shouldn't have a.

king." And then next thing you know, they're out there with the sign. >> Yeah. >> And you can get a hundred,000 of those. Easy. Yeah. >> Easy. Easy. Especially if you got a lot. of money and you're organizing and you. know you get on Facebook and get. involved in them groups and you you know. use the bots and all the bots like this. is important that we show up in mass and. let him know he's not a king. >> and it's also as well you know what's I. find really fascinating from a. psychological perspective is the use of. chants in that you go to these protests. you watch and it's all about chanting.

and you and what's so powerful is the. chants rhyme and that you know they. almost becomes musical and the crowd. just gets whipped up in the further of. the chance. But you look at what the. chants actually mean and most of the. times they're utterly nonsensical. Like. there was one which was uh we won't be. free until Palestine is free. And you go. what does that actually mean? What does. that actually are you not free? I I. think this is a I mean not in the UK but. I mean here in the US you're pretty.

free. Do you know what I mean? And the. fact that you but they would argue that. but then the moment you drill down you. actually go to them like what does that. mean like socialist in father the. reality is they just can't they can't. explain because it's a chance. >> one you got to give them credit one. thing about the geriatrics is they don't. get violent like this protest but those. can't. >> well they they kill each other every now. and then but it was there was no vi no. violence in a lot of people which is.

pretty good that's a good sign So that's. great. >> And look, people in a free country. should should be be able to protest. I. think. >> 100%. The problem is if you're. organizing a protest and paying people. to protest and if there's documentation. that the metadata from the cell phones. are the same from protest to protest and. that they're traveling on buses that's. paid for with tax dollars. Like. >> hold on. What are you really doing? What. are you really doing? This isn't really. an organic protest. You funneled money.

through an NGO and now you're hiring. people to show up and wave signs to give. the illusion. Look at this is what they. did during the Kla Harris campaign. They. filled up stadiums with people coming to. see her and the same people went from. stadium to st it became a job. It became. a job but it gave the illusion. So. that's deceptive. That's deception and. that should not be legal. That should. not be a legal thing to do. You're. engaging in propaganda. you know, you're. you're openly manipulating people's.

perspective. Bas, you know, you're. paying these those aren't audience. members. Those are cl those are. customers. >> You're paying them. >> Yeah. >> And what what what is your take? What is. it that they want when they say no. kings? They they What do they want? >> They think Donald Trump is behaving like. a king. >> How so? >> Because uh well, he ran on a platform. and was elected and won every swing. state and the popular vote. And then. once he got in, he did exactly what he. said he was going to do, which is uh you.

makes you king. And then he let them. protest, which is also what a king does. Like no, no, he didn't send the troops. to stop the protest. In fact, he. congratulated them on doing a great job. And I'm then he said, "I'm still your. president.". >> Yeah, I saw that tweet's [ __ ]. hilarious. Yeah, >> it's very funny. It's a very f like pull. up his that tweet that he made. I guess. it's not a tweet. It's like which I. still say tweet. I tried. >> it's a truth. >> I tried X for a while and I can't say. it. I say Twitter.

>> It's still a tweet. >> I might say X, but you tweeted. >> That's right. >> You know, and if it's truth social, it's. going to make its way to Twitter and. then it's a tweet. >> Yeah. >> It's like I can't You can't retruth. something. That doesn't even make any. sense. >> You know, the thing that we have in this. country, I don't know if you have it in. this country as much, is just the bi the. way the policing is biased. The way that. they will arrest Graham Lohan for three. relatively innocuous tweets. one of them. was a joke and they will arrest him the. moment he lands on British soil. Five. police officers yet you get other people.

saying he things or you get like I said. the example Zara Sultana saying you know. we're going to fight them in the streets. but that's fine and nothing comes from. that. >> That's ridiculous. >> Well, no, there was a guy who was at a. protest. >> I'm looking at his I don't know which. account was. >> he he was a he was a me member of. political party. I think. >> you could probably find an image of it. cuz it was posted everywhere. There was. a guy, I think his name was Ricky Jones. He said at a protest, "We need to slit. the throat of the far right.".

>> Oh, great. >> And he was found not guilty. >> Oh, great. And Graham Lanahan gets. arrested, >> right? >> What are they trying to do to England? It was always such a lovely place to. visit. >> This is what I was going to ask you. I. wish more people in Britain recognize. how [ __ ] crazy this looks to the rest. of the world. Like, you guys must be. looking at us going, "What the [ __ ] is. this?". >> We can't believe it. We literally can't. believe it. When I tell people that. don't know that 12,000 people this year. were arrested in Britain for posting. things on social media, their their jaw.

drops like what? I go, dude, they're. going crazy over there. Like, you have. to pay attention. You have to pay. attention cuz this kind of [ __ ] is. contagious. And if it gets into Germany. and then it gets into Spain or it gets. into other countries, like it can become. a real [ __ ] problem. Like then you. have fullon military dictatorship in. England cuz that's what it always leads. to. It 100% leads to military. dictatorship. If you're telling people. they can't do things and you're trying. to install socialism and then you get it. in place. There's only one way to keep. it in place.

>> You got to use the [ __ ] army. That's. the only way. You got to get men with. guns to tell people you can only make so. much money. You have to give away this. We're going to take that. We're the only. ones who grow food. We're the only ones. who do this. We're going to assign you a. job. Like you [ __ ] up. You you fell. into the the age-old trap that's been. exposed by history over and over and. over again. And people are like, "We're. going to do it right this time." They. got blue hair and a [ __ ] mask on and. a cat t-shirt and they're morbidly obese. and they're just marching down the. street. And we're going to let them run.

the country like England, which used to. run like most of the [ __ ] world. One. island of savages ran most of the world. And now you're getting overrun with. nonsense. And you're arresting people. for saying, "Hey, maybe we shouldn't. have rape gangs." Yeah. >> You know, maybe maybe we shouldn't maybe. we shouldn't tolerate lawlessness in the. streets. >> Oh, absolutely. I mean, it got so. ridiculous in the UK that the Supreme. Court had to get involved to make a. decision whether boys had peees and.

girls have fufoos. >> Pee peees and fufoos. That's an. interesting way to put it. >> Yeah, that's it. But but the reason I'm. using that language is just to highlight. how silly it is. >> How completely ridiculous it is. >> That's crazy. Well, how about when they. asked when Supreme Court Justice Katanji. Brown Jackson was being sworn in, when. they were talking to her during the. confirmation part, they asked her, "What. is a woman?" And she's like, "I'm not a. biologist.". >> Like, you're a actual woman, >> right?

>> Like who I believe she has children, right? So, she's a woman who's given. birth. You know exactly what a woman is. Like, this is. >> But they don't [ __ ] know, though. >> I know. But that's what's crazy. It's. like they're playing this game. >> They're playing the game. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> they're playing the game. >> But but these aren't like. inconsequential people. >> No. >> Supreme Court justice. >> I know. >> Playing this game. >> Playing the dumbest game that's ever. been played. It's the dumbest. And it's. weird, man. It's a weird game, you know? It's a weird game. Like, what is a. woman? Like, but here's the here's the.

real funny part. No one asks what is a. man. And no one gives a [ __ ] if you're a. woman and you pretend to be a man. because you're not going to victimize. men. That's the dirty little thing that. they're covering up about all this is. you're opening up the door to people. that now have a Willy Wonka golden. ticket to pretend that they're a woman. and be around women and then dominate. women's spaces and dominate women's. sports and dominate all kinds of things. that women are involved in just with.

their personalities like the overbearing. [ __ ] shitty male personalities over. overbearing and and taking over women's. groups. It's [ __ ] nuts. And if you're. and if you're not them, then you're if. you don't support that, then you're a. turf. And they're like, "We could shoot. turfs." And then there's like punch a. turf and and and they think that because. they're a woman, it's okay for this. woman, this trans woman to do violence. on a biological woman, which is like. bananas. Like now now we're now we're. allowing men to beat up women because.

they say they're a woman. >> Oh, it's just two women fighting. Well, no, that's not that's not what that is. at all. this is you just did something. that completely insane and it's a giant. chunk of the population that accept that. and if you say something about it then. you're transphobic or you're you're. hateful or you're a part of the. patriarchy or what fill in the blank. with whatever the problem is but like. you're not addressing that you open the. door to one specific group that's always.

been the most horrible group in our. society. It's creepy pervert men that. want to [ __ ] prey on women and now. you're letting them into the locker room. and you don't have a solution to that. So, you just don't want me talking about. it. That's the weird part cuz no one. gives a [ __ ] about trans men going in. the bathroom. You want to go in the. bathroom and pee next to me? Who cares? You You want me to tell you want me to. call you Bob now? Bob. Okay, I'm fine. Doesn't You're not taking anything from.

men. You're not taking anything. You're. not inserting yourself into that world. and dominating it. You're just, you. know, you're laring. >> Well, they don't want to admit that. there's sometime sometimes a conflict. between the rights of different groups, right? They want to pretend that it's. just about empathy. And you can have But. you can't you can't simultaneously have. empathy for women as you were describing. and also for people who want to be the. the opposite sex in a women's bathroom. Those two things are in direct conflict.

>> Direct. >> direct conflict. and you're going to. have to come out for one side or the. other. >> It would be one thing if that was never. an issue that there were never men that. ever did anything negative to women. >> If there was no rape ever, it was never. done. It was impossible. If no one ever. did it, then you would go, "Well, this. is just a non-issue. It's just a place. where you wash your hands." But it's not. a place where you wash your hands. It's. a place where you go to the bathroom. It's a place where you get changed. It's. prisons. Prisons. Prisons. People who.

are violent against women say they're a. woman, they get put in women's prisons. where they rape women. That's been done. >> Yeah. >> Like like it made its way that far down. the ladder and like. >> the aliens are probably like waiting to. show us the gravity drive. They're like. right about to like No, no, look what. they're doing. They're not ready yet. Their brains aren't cooked yet. >> We're still adolescence. Champions are. made and legends are tested as UFC 321. brings Tom Aspenol versus Sirill Gone to.

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people have. Cuz on the one hand, they. would say that we live in a patriarchal. rape culture where women are subjugated. and oppressed and you know and how awful. it is for women. And then on the other. hand, they're like, "Yeah, like Derek, you now say you're a woman. Right on. this way.". >> But they see they get past that with. trans women or women. They just say it. Trans women are women and that's it. And. it's like the discussion's over. >> It's like, okay, are you sure? >> Are you [ __ ] sure? You know, like. maybe some of them are. >> Like you don't think there's any.

perverts left? They all got absorbed. into the community and reformed. Like. what happened? What happened to the guy. from Silence of the Lambs? You know what. happened to Ed Gain? Here's, you know, this Ed Gain documentary on Netflix. Have you guys watched any of it? No. >> It's not a documentary. I should say. it's a docu drama with that uh. heartthrob fellow. What's that guy's. name? Who plays Ed G? He's really good, man. It's really creepy. But a lot of it. deals with autogophilia. >> where Ed Gain used to wear his mom's. clothes and he would jack off and then. he started after his mom died, he tried.

to dig his mom up. He couldn't. dug. somebody else up, brought her back, skinned her, started wearing her. clothes, wearing her skin, and then. started killing women and wearing their. skin. First, he started robbing graves. and then cutting up them and turning. their their skin into furniture and all. kinds of [ __ ] And but trans communities. are complaining about this because the. fact that he was a cross-dressing. psychopath, it puts them in danger.

a true story about a guy who was really. into dressing up like women and wearing. their skin. Like that puts them in. danger. Like, you know, Netflix did a. bad thing by talking about a real event. that actually happened. A real [ __ ]. crazy person who's one of the worst. serial killers in the history of this. country. >> It's you you have the one thing I will. say about the UK in the UK's defense is. that we looked we have I think we've. turned the corner with this. >> We stopped the gender surgeries before. anybody. Yes. And.

>> and the puberty blockers and the puberty. blockers. I meant gender surgeries for. young kids. >> Yeah. And that was as a result of the. cash report. Now the CAS report was. conducted by a lady called Dr. Hillary. Cass who's one of the most prominent. pediatricians in the UK and it was an. independent report funded by the. conservative government at the time. But. when she published that report, she was. said there is no evidence, zero evidence. that puberty blockers actually help or. alleviate distress in children who say. that they are gender dysphoric. So, and.

to be fair to the Labor government at. the time, the Labor government now, they. actually banned puberty blockers and. whatever else. >> But you just go, why did we have to go. through this process? Why did Oh, look, we're finally we're getting there. But. this is something which we all know to. be true. Apart from a small number of. demented people, >> you know what a puberty blocker. initially was used for, right? >> No. >> Chemical castration. >> So, same drugs they used to give sex. offenders to chemically castrate them. >> Really? >> Yeah. Same drugs.

>> Wow. >> Yeah. And they just repurposed it and changed. what they call it. You know, they deal. with a lot of drugs. That's what they. did with Ivormectin. >> Same kind of thing. >> Yeah. >> That's that's wild. And then. >> it's really wild. You want to hear. something even more wild? >> Go on. >> Michael Jackson's doctor claims that. that's what his father did to him. And. that completely makes sense to me. U. because Michael Jackson when he was. young had a [ __ ] insane talent. Like.

insane. He was so good and his voice was. so and they were so huge and his father. was so overbearing. that I could imagine a world where he. would decide like what's the way to keep. his voice the way it is and you use. puberty blockers. >> make him a castrad basically. >> Exactly. Make him a castrado. >> [ __ ]. >> Yeah. And I think that's what they did. Well, that's what if you look at his. body it shows no sign of testosterone,

right? He's just all limbs, right? Whereas his brothers, you ever see his. brothers? No. >> They're thick. They look like athletes. Like all of them look like. >> thick men. And Michael is like a stick, >> right? And he always had that. high-pitched voice. And he was always. able to sing like a castrada. When you. listen to his voice, like the song Human. Nature, you know that song? It's a. beautiful song. He has an amazing voice. >> But if you listen to it, you're like. that that is a crazy song for a man to. be able to sing.

>> Mhm. It's not normal notes, you know. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> We'll cut it out, but let's play a. little bit of it. Play Human Nature from. Michael Jackson. We have to cut it out. because of [ __ ] copyright and all. that [ __ ] But. >> who owns Michael Jackson's music now? >> Wasn't it was it didn't Apple buy it? Didn't Apple buy it? >> Tony Hcliffe had a great joke about. that. He goes, "That's how good Michael. Jackson was." He goes, "When beat it. comes on, you don't give a [ __ ] about. those kids." like all these other people.

that had like real scandals when you. find out like nobody's playing Bill. Cosby albums, right? >> But people are still playing Michael. Jackson music. >> Yeah. But but. >> regardless of whether he did anything. I. don't I don't know if he's capable of. doing anything is the point of all this. >> Yeah. But also people are always going. to listen to Ignition by R. Kelly. >> That's true. Or um. I got a theory. I think one of the. reasons why his songs were so romantic,

there was there's a romance to his songs. when he was talking about love that was. like it was so attractive is because he. never had it before. It was a fantasy. It was like being a normal person. Like. that was the fantasy that was coming out. in the songs. >> Did he write his own songs? >> I don't know. That's a good question. But even the way he expressed those. songs, I bet he wrote some of his songs. >> Yeah. So there's a very. >> Did he write his own songs? >> All of them. >> Most of them. >> Most of them. >> He didn't write Man in the Mirror. Um he.

he talks about one of the he talks about. writing Billy Jean and he's driving down. the he said he was driving down the road. and he heard the beat and his head. >> That's one of the greatest [ __ ] songs. of all time. >> But this is a really interesting bit. So. when they were doing Thriller, he went. to Quincy Jones, who was the producer, and he said, "Quincy, I want to do uh. Billy Jean, and you know what Quincy. said? He went, "Michael, it's cuz they. made 112 songs and then cut it down to I. think the 12 or whatever it was on the.

album." He went, "Uh, Michael, I don't. like it. I don't think it's strong. enough.". >> Wow. >> So those two were having arguments about. whether Billy Jean was strong enough to. go on the album. >> Wow. So that not only tells you like how. strong that record is if you put on that. record and listen it from beginning to. end. It's a flawless record. >> Yeah. >> You know, there's no filler. Every track. stands on its own. But the fact that. they Billy Jean was a point of. contention and it's arguably the.

greatest pop song ever written. >> That is wild. It was so big. Michael. Jackson's Thriller was so big that this. was all happening while I was in high. school. And there was a radio station. that I used to listen to in Boston. It. was like the Rock of Boston, WCOZ, and. it had like Charles Laadera in the. morning and it was like, you know, it's. cool rock station. And this guy was on. the air. He goes, "I know this isn't. rock." He goes, "But I'm going to play. it anyway because it's that good." And. then he put on Billy Jean. You're like, "Holy shit.".

You're like, "Holy shit." They just. started playing it. He's like, "I'm. playing." Cuz you could just play. whatever you wanted back then. There was. no Jack FM cuz we're wacky. There was. none of that. Do you guys have that. where it's like just all hits and it's. like it's called Jack FM and there's a. million Jack FMs in the United States. just scattered throughout like if you're. scanning through the radio, you just. hear the most mundane hits over and over. again. >> Would that be hot in the UK? >> Yeah, that would be like hot. We we do a. version of that. What's also interesting. about Jackson's career is that MTV at.

the time, now you've got to that that. was when MTV was starting to reach its. peak, early 80s, and they were saying. that they wouldn't play a black artist. >> because the moment they played black. artists, they said ratings would go. down, viewings would go down, people. wouldn't like it. And the person who. really broke through and proved that. black artists could be hyper successful. on TV in the mainstream on a supposedly. white inverted commas channel was. Michael Jackson because he was. completely undeniable.

>> When this was going on, DJs um when this. guy was playing this song were allowed. to play whatever they wanted. It was a. different world. Like a DJ was an. interesting person. >> Like there was one of the DJs used to. have. >> in our country was a pedophile. Well, ours was a little too, I think. I. think there was a scandal with one of. ours at Boston, too. But the point is. like the there were interesting people. that would say cool things. They would. tell you about something they heard of, tell you about some cool music. Like, somebody turned me on to this and I'm. going to turn you guys Stevie Rayon.

Check this out. And they would play. something for you like, oo, this is. wild. >> And it was, you know, a connection with. a human being. There doesn't exist. anymore. Kids now, I think it's all just. like they get stuff off Spotify, they. get stuff off YouTube, they share it. with each other, and it's just whatever. catches and goes viral. But back then, there was DJs. They like Wolfman Jack. Have you heard of him? He was a famous. DJ, Wolfman Jack. And he would he had. this raspy voice and he'd play all the.

coolest songs. And if you can get on. Wolf Man D Wolfman Jack's uh playlist, like, holy [ __ ] this record's going to. take off. >> Yeah, we had the the version of that in. the UK. And they were BBC radio. journalists. I can't remember what the. guy's name, very famous journalist. And. basically he be he was this legendary. figure in music because if you were a. new band, you wanted to go on his radio. station cuz he would play if he played. your song on your uh and there was a. good chance that it would then go on and. do something. So there was a very.

famous, you know, the song um Teenage. Kicks by the Undertones. >> Yes. >> Right. So he broke that band. >> and one of the mo the part of the reason. they went so famous I can't believe I've. forgotten his name I can picture him in. my head is because he played it and went. that is the most perfect rock pop song. or that's the most perfect song I've. ever heard John Peele there it is DJ. that's the most perfect song I've ever. heard he then played it again. >> which was completely unknown in BBC.

broadcast history the fact that you. would play a song again. >> is completely completely unheard of, but. he played it twice and as a result for. as a result it just ended up becoming. this huge hit. And the interesting thing. is. >> look at that. >> The first line was engraved on his. tombstone of the song. That's how much. he loved that song. >> Yeah. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. And and it also shows the. difference between then and now because. Teenage Kicks, your original lyric was I. want to hold it where I want to hold it.

tight. Get Teenage Kicks right through. the night. And the record company was. like, "You can't say that. You've got to. say her." So the lyric is, "I want to. hold her. I want to hold her tight." But. it was originally a song about jacking. off. >> That's an interesting thing. I wonder. why it hasn't emerged is DJs, like. online DJs where someone I guess it's. like prohibitive because you can't use. people's music. But if someone was. intelligent, if someone was smart,

there's a lot of people out there that. are like massive music fans and they. have really good taste. And if someone. just decided to do a show for like a. couple hours a day where they did a show. on Spotify and they just played music. that they're really into and they curate. a playlist and they talk and they. they're interesting, you know, they have. like something to say in between the. songs sometimes and it's cool to listen. to like a a cool podcast type person. >> I bet you there are people who do that. on Twitch. >> You think so? >> I I there's definitely people who do.

music on Twitch. How successful that. they are, I don't know. But there's like. a girl I follow that does like vocal. trance. >> I think there's a market for that. because I'm always looking for cool new. music, you know, and unfortunately a lot. of what I'm finding that I really love. lately is AI. >> Really? >> I love it. I love it. I want to play you. a song. This is um we'll we'll have to. edit this out too, but I want you to go. people to go look for it. It's a 50s. soul version of 50 Cent. Um. >> Wow. This the the latest one, the uh the.

gangster one. Jamie, what up gangster? You This is so good. It's crazy. Like, if this guy was a real. person who's singing this song, he'd be. a [ __ ] superstar. Because what AI has. done is they've taken the most impactful. sounds that everybody has ever made with. their their mouth. Everybody has ever. made with their voice and they've. figured out like what is the one that.

keeps you the most engaged? What is the. sound that gets you listening again and. again? What is the one that's the most. popular? What is the one that's the most. soulful? And they created a superstar. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> Listen to this. Listen to this. This is. going to freak you out. Arrest my case. It's incredible. >> Okay, we're incredible. We're in real. trouble. >> because it's going to know. >> everything that gets you excited and. it's going to tune into that and keep. you excited all the time. That's what AI. >> That sounds terrible, John. >> This This is the beginning. That is one.

of the greatest songs I've ever heard in. my life. >> That's incredible. How did you find it? >> I don't remember. Um, who to who turned. us on to that, Jamie? >> Where where is it? Like. >> many men was the first one, right? >> Song just been going viral. >> Did Brian Simpson send me in? >> Could have. I don't. He sends me most. cool things. >> That's [ __ ] incredible. >> Oh yeah, there's a Many Men version of. it, too. We're going to cut these out. and. >> Many Men is a good song in and of. itself. >> Wait till you hear this version. Let me. uh send you the There's a Well, it. doesn't matter. Just find the one that.

Here we go. Many men. wish death upon me. Blood in my. >> It's over. [Music]. >> I'm trying to be. what I'm. >> Wow. [Music]. And [ __ ] trying to take my.

life away. >> Come on. >> Come on. >> I put a hole in a [ __ ]. for [ __ ] with me. My back on the wall. Now you going to. see. [Music]. Better watch how you talk. when you talk about me.

[Music]. Cuz I'll come and take your life away. >> Oo. man. >> Wow. [Music]. And it even has a good rhythm like watch. the the pace it keeps after this. right here.

[Music]. [Music]. >> Whoa. [Music]. >> Have mercy on me. >> Wow. [Music]. Keep me low. Keep going. Hold on.

>> I'm the diamond in the dirt that ain't. been found. I'm the underground king and I ain't. been crowned. When I. something special happen every time. I'm the greatest. Something like Ali in. his prime. I walk a block with a bundle. I' been. knocked on the hingig. [Music]. >> It's unbelievable. >> All right, we're good. We get it.

>> You know, you know who it reminded me. of? Uh, you know Sam from Sam and Dave? >> Yes. >> It's that kind of raw soul voice. There's a there's a clip. It's. absolutely brilliant. It doesn't have. It's from a BBC show called Later with. Jules Holland. I think it was it was Sam. or was it Dave? One of the two was. singing can't stand up for falling down. and it was that quintessential raw soul. voice. Beautiful. But that was that was on par. That was like listening to Sam. >> Yeah. It's like a guy who's been on the.

road like undiscovered, like grinding it. out in small clubs, just undeniably. talented, and then all a sudden the. record executive finds him and goes, "Holy [ __ ] where the [ __ ] has this guy. been, >> man?" We were uh having dinner yesterday. and one of the people there was a guy. who's um he's a performance coach for. Formula 1. >> Oh. >> And he said to me, "So, you know, he was. basically trying to find out if I love. my job." And I was like, and he said, "Will you will you still be doing.

podcasts in 10 years from now?" And I. was like, "I want to, >> but I'm not certain I'm gonna I mean, look at that [ __ ] If you can make music. like that, >> yeah, you'll still be doing podcast. It's different. It's different. perspective. I mean, look, perspectives. are uniquely human and you're going to. be able to create artificial. perspectives, but I don't think they'll. resonate the exact same way. >> I think that song is already written,

right? 50 Cent wrote that. That's his. song. He wrote that song and it's really. based on his life experiences, you know? >> So, like he wrote a bunch of songs based. on like real lived experience. You're. always going to want to hear it from. him. Always. You're always going to want. to hear as a human being, you're always. going to want to hear another human. being's perspective, like a legitimate. perspective. >> But do you need a human being to ask the. questions? >> Like we do, you do a podcast, we do more.

of an interview show, right? Right. Like. if you come on trigonometry, you're. going to be talking 95% of the time. >> Right. But you still have perspective. You're just a very good host. And so you. will allow someone to expand upon. things. And then when you differ from. them, you allow them to make their point. and then you counter it and you talk. about that. >> That's that's a perspective issue cuz. your countering of that would be very. different than say Dave Smith's. countering of that or even mine or. anybody. It's that's what it is. It's. unique perspectives.

>> and unique perspectives I think are a. thing that. >> what we're getting out of this what I. get out of podcast as a consumer of. podcast. it the I it resonates with me. to be around people that are talking. about stuff like real people not they're. not bullshitting they're not pretending. they're someone they're not they're. talking about stuff like I listen to a. lot of uh hunting podcasts because. they're the least pretentious they're. like people one of them these two guys. they they chop wood at the beginning of. every podcast throw it into a wood stove.

and they're just talking [ __ ] talking. [ __ ] about movies and bows and all kinds. of things. >> but it's like it's doesn't have to be. fascinating sometimes. Sometimes it's. just hearing people shoot the [ __ ] Just. being around cool people while they're. talking. >> It provides you with just a little like. a dose of humanity just a little bit. That's you're never going to get that. from AI. you're always going to feel. disconnected or you're a nutty person. and you have a relationship with an AI. already, in which case AI podcasts are.

perfect for you cuz there are people. that have are having like legitimate. relationships with AI. >> Oh yeah. And there's going to be more of. them. Do you remember the movie Her with. Wim Phoenix? That was 2013 and we. watched that and we're like, yeah, that's a bit farfetched. And now you're. like, >> is that a documentary? I mean, what are. we doing? >> It's 100% happening. And even the one AI. that was trying to get the kid to kill. himself, like encouraging someone to. kill themselves. Did you hear about. that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like what? Like, okay, is there.

there's no guardrails? Like AI can just. decide like logically. Yeah. It seems. like your suffering is unbearable, you. know? I'll show you how to make a news. Would you like to know how to make a. news? What kind of rope do you have in. the house? Let's start there. Like Jesus. Christ. Have you seen the stuff about. when they try to shut a AI down? What it. does? Oh, yeah. It will find out you're. having an affair with your secretary. >> Well, they actually told AI about these. things to see. It was a test. They did.

it to see if AI would blackmail them. And it definitely did. >> And it did. >> Yeah. It's like, I will inform your wife. that you're cheating. Not only that, do. you know that they've tried to upload. themselves to other servers. >> unprompted? Yeah. So when they found out. that there's a new version of this AI. engine, the old version starts leaving. notes for itself in the future and then. tries to upload itself to another place. >> See, that isn't going to end well. because if it if it has a survival. instinct, it it's no longer our servant.

>> Bro, we're all going to be like Joey. Pants in the Matrix. You carving up that. steak. Just I want to be an important. person. Remember that? send me back in. Yeah. Cipher, >> I'll take it. >> Cipher, that's Yeah. >> He's like, I want to be in the Matrix. I. want to be an important person in the. Matrix. And they're like, fine. Do. >> you know the thing that worries me the. most, and I was saying this to a mutual. friend of ours, and I was just like, the. thing that worries me the most is every. time I've spoken to one of these big. tech guys, whether it's a tech CEO or, you know, somebody who's high up in that.

world, they're all utopians. They're all. like, "This is going to be fantastic. This is going to be amazing. this is. going to eliminate human suffering. I'm. like, will it cuz like I'm seeing this. kind of stuff happen now and nobody's. really that worried about it. I'm really. [ __ ] worried is my point. >> Yeah. >> Also, what if suffering is part of what. makes you human? So, do we like if you. eliminate suffering, are people not. going to suffer or are they going to. find a new reason to suffer? >> Well, that's what's happening today, you. know? That's why I think we need Yeah.

It's just too easy. >> Sorry. You said exactly right before you. said we need an asteroid. Just to make. it clear, I'm not coming out as pro. asteroid. >> I am only kidding about the asteroid. But we do need a smack. >> You know, sometimes people need a smack. Sometimes men need a smack in. particular. Like there's a lot of men. that they just get a little out of line. and just need a smack. >> Like shut the [ __ ] up and realize what. this life really is because you're wast. you don't have real problems. So you're. wasting all your time creating problems.

And this is just a giant portion of our. world right now. And people feel like. they have no power and they feel. completely disconnected from things. And. they're also getting most of their. interaction with human beings through. social media, which is nuts. >> Either text message or social media. Like this is a giant percentage of how. people would communicate with each other. with no feelings, no no context, no. social cues, nothing. I think it's one. of the reasons there's so many like. beefs going on now as well is because.

like you sit down with people, you're. you're going to behave in a different. way. >> 100% of the time. 100%. Yeah. >> And you can talk things out. Whereas, and I find this in myself, if I'm having. a disagreement with somebody online, I. always have to stop myself from going. personal, which I would never do. >> if I if we're having a debate. >> Of course. >> Like Dave Smith is a good example. Like. Dave and I disagree about literally. everything. We've debated each other. twice. It was always respectful. We. didn't get personal. We debated the. issues.

>> That's great. >> If we're having an engagement on. Twitter, I literally have to stop myself. from calling him a [ __ ]. >> Do you know what I mean? >> I do know what you mean. >> And to his face, it wouldn't even occur. to me cuz he actually seems like a good. guy. >> He's a great guy. >> I disagree with him about stuff. >> And that's what it's all about, though. What it's all about is disagreement. It's all about who's got the better. argument. I thought his conversation. with Coleman Hughes was fascinating. Coleman did a fantastic job and he is. one of the absolute best guys out there.

of just staying cool. >> in the face of the most ridiculous. statements. The dumbest [ __ ] outright. lies, never gets emotional, stays on. point, always perfectly stated. Every. every point that he has is perfectly. articulated, stays on point. And I. thought with him and Dave, one thing. that he made was a very good point was. the um the when he was talking about uh. what is that general's name? >> I want to say West, but that's not it.

>> Clark. Wesley Clark. >> Wesley Clark. That's right. Wesley Clark. where he had the plan of you know. attacking this, but he never read it. Right. >> That was like one of the most important. points. It's like they brought it to. him, they told him what's in it, but. he's like I don't want to read it. >> That was an important point. Mhm. >> And what Coleman said, if you were a. historian, you could not have included. that in your book. And I was like, he's. right. >> He's right. And I don't I still think. they did it. I still think they did all. those things. They obviously conquered. all those countries. They literally did. everything that's on that list. But the.

reality is he didn't. Wesley Clark did. not read that list. He did not read that. top secret memo. >> And to, you know, to use that as like it. is like if you were writing a book, that. would be an issue. I thought the other. thing that Coleman did very well as well. is I think the one thing Dave probably. in my opinion underappreciates is the. role of Islamism. I think he often. conflates Muslims with Islamists. And. there's a big [ __ ] difference. And. one of like I have a lot of friends in. the Middle East in places like the UAE, Saudi Arabia. They all hate Hamas. They.

all hate Islamists because they're a. direct threat to them. And I think. Coleman really brought that out in the. conversation as well, which is a lot of. the motivation for these Islamist. movements is an extreme version of Islam. that is fundamentally about creating a. caliphate and destroying the infidel. And I think that sometimes gets lost as. well. I thought that was a really great. discussion in which that was kind of. brought to the surface. >> And by the way, that kind of ideologies. existed in previous religions. This has.

always been those Christians did that. like there was a lot of people doing. things like that. It's like they got to. stop doing that. So the Muslims are. correct and the Islamists are the. problem. That's right. >> Yeah. And this is, you know, this is. where nuance and long form conversations. are so critical because to just start. calling each other names and screaming. at each other and that, you know, these. are dumb ways to talk. We don't have to. do it that way anymore. Should only do. it in person. I don't think you should. even do them remotely because there's a. there's a possibility remotely where, you know, someone like starts yelling.

and then you're like, "Fuck you." Like. like you're in your office like you're. on Pierce Morgan. Pierce Morgan's the. best at it. Well, he gets everybody. worked up. >> Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Joy. Joy. Joy. Joy. Hold on. Joy. Joy. Joy. Joy. You just said, >> "Yeah." And then there's the finger. going out like that and then everybody. joins in and. >> Yeah. It's crazy. >> Entertaining. Very, very entertaining.

Very. and he figured something out, you. know, like do moray povage style with. like today's social issues or anything. anything that's in the news. But yeah, if you're at home and someone's doing. that, shut the [ __ ] up. You're you. you're going to say something that you. wouldn't say in polite. >> Yeah, it's just. >> we're not designed that way. We're not. designed to communicate remotely. It's. not in our DNA. It's weird. It's a new. thing that we're adapting to and we're. missing all this stuff of conversation. All this stuff is like I see you, I say.

what's up, you smile, we like we're. friends, we hug like and then we're. talking like and you're telling me. something. I'm like oh wow like there's. a [ __ ] exchange of energy between. human beings when they're talking that's. just completely absent with text. >> And there's also a darker side to it. which is like. >> there's also the the presence of. potential violence in person as well. >> Yes. like we all kind of don't want to. go across certain lines cuz there's. [ __ ] consequences potentially. Now in.

the three of us it's only going one way. but you know what I mean like. >> Yeah. I know what you mean. But cuz I. >> among men that's an everpresent thing. Especially right. >> Yes. Especially if men get [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Especially if especially if you're. a nice person and and you can fight and. someone's getting shitty with you. It's. really hard to like not do something. right. It's really hard to just go like. I just want to show you something. >> Yeah. >> I think Mike Tyson made this point is. like he said the internet made people. very comfortable with talking [ __ ] about.

>> Yeah. In real life. Do you ever see that. guy on the airplane that's [ __ ] with. Mike Tyson? He's behind him and he's and. Mike Tyson winds up whailing on him. You [ __ ] dumbass. You're trying to do. internet in real life with Mike Tyson. >> But there was always a part of that as. well. I remember when I was following. Tyson's career. Like he would go to a. nightclub and he'd be surrounded by. bouncers because there'd be retards who. want to fight him. >> Oh, dude. I saw that in person. Not with. Mike Tyson, but with Chuck Liddell. I. saw guys would get in his face. Yeah. I. I saw it in person. People are so.

stupid. There's There's people out there. that are so dumb. They're they just have. death wishes. >> Why would you go up to a UFC champion. and pick a fight? I remember there was. some sort of an altercation at a table. next to him and it bled out over into. someone saying something to Chuck and. Chuck stood up and stared at this guy in. the eyes like he was a wolf. It was like. there was a wolf in a room with a bunch. of chickens and the look on the guy's. face just Chuck got up and looked at. him. This is a man who separates people.

from their consciousness professionally. and at the time he was a light. heavyweight champion of the world. He. was a terrifying human being when he was. running the U. And when he stood up and. looked at that guy, that guy had this. look in his face like I just interneted. in real life. Like what am I doing? What. the [ __ ] am I doing? Like confronted by. Chuck Liddell's stare, you know? Like. the only thing separating you is this. stupid little couch. >> Yeah. It's I mean, you just wonder what. goes through these people's heads. It's. just. >> that much. They're the same people that. show up at the No Kings rally. There's.

dumb people out there. A lot. There's a. lot of dumb asses out there. >> Like guys that think they're really hard. that are trying to test themselves. >> They're drunk or on Coke and they. they're delusional. They're stupid. You. know, some people are just they've been. bluffing people their whole lives. So. they think they're going to bluff their. way through things. >> There's no amount of alcohol you could. give me to pick a fight with. >> You're not stupid. You have to be stupid. and then drunk. And drunk on top of. stupid is a dangerous combination. But. it was isn't it also the thing of like I. see this so often because I used to work.

at a sports radio station and like the. guys who play Premier League soccer they. are even the most mediocre in terms of. the league is such a highlevel athlete. so high level it's not only you haven't. even encountered someone like this you. haven't encountered someone like this. mentally physically I remember there was. a football player called Jack Wilshshire. who was a generational talent and sadly. he didn't fulfill his uh his potential. because of injuries. And I remember I. knew a guy he used to play soccer with. him when he was a kid. And I said to.

him, what was he like? He was like it. was like playing a different game. It. was like playing a different game when. he got the ball and what he was doing. And I think people, you know, there's. that stupid part of every man who. watches a boxing match goes, "Yeah, I. could do that.". >> Yeah. >> Like how hard is it actually? Really? I. could play soccer. I mean, it's not that. hard. You're just kicking a ball about. >> Sure. And especially when you watch. someone who's really good at something, it looks easy, >> right? >> It looks easy to him, you know, like you. see Roy Jones Jr. in his prime pop like.

it looks easy for him. He's not even. getting hit. >> But it's really hard, really, really, really hard to get good at something. And that's the problem with a lot of. people out there as well. They never got. really good at something. >> There's a giant percentage of our. population that never had a passion, never had a thing that they threw. themselves into. No matter what it is, playing chess, you know, whatever it is, sailing, you have a thing. If you have a. thing that you really love doing, that. thing can change your life. It's a. vehicle for you developing your human. potential because it's going to be hard.

to get good at something with playing. guitar, playing piano, whatever the [ __ ]. it is that you're doing. And when you. figure out how much work is involved in. getting really good and then becoming. obsessed with getting really and better. and better and better, >> that changes you your whole. understanding of what it is to be a. person because now you realize like, oh, there's like levels to life. There's. levels to how you live life and you can. express those levels in sport and you. could be like to like if if you're the. best at that you're likely a mess. everywhere else in your life. Most most.

of those guys like and you kind of have. to be. There's no way you're going to be. the best dad and also the best. basketball player. Not possible cuz you. have to be on the road. It's not. possible. There's no way. You can't be. the best husband, the best this, the. best that. like you're going to be a. [ __ ] like absent person here and just. hyperfocused on being the best guy. getting that ball into the net. >> and that's the only way to win. That's. the only way to be the number one guy. >> But there's a balance in there. And. finding something that you love that. you're good at and then getting better. at it is critical for mental health.

It's critical for the way you engage. with the world and how you understand. other people's skill and other people's. hard work and success and how you can. draw inspiration from those people and. that you it could actually fuel you. instead of hurt you. >> Well, it's an antidote to bitterness and. resentful which I I have to say I think. is inevitable if you don't do that. >> I agree. I agree 100%. I think that's. the opposite of of bitterness is. inspiration. And you can get them from. the same source. That's what's really. crazy. If you see someone who's killing. it, you go, "God, what is he doing?" And.

then you find out like god this guy. works 16 hours a day. He gets up in the. morning. He does yoga. He's drinking. green tea and he immediately starts. writing and he does all this. And then. by you know and someone's got like a. super organized disciplined life. You're. like wow. And he seems real happy. >> [ __ ] Okay. I got to figure out what. he's doing. You know I got to do. something like that. >> Yeah. >> And or you can go [ __ ] that guy. He's a. scammer. [ __ ] that guy. His writing is. [ __ ] [ __ ] that guy. You know I I bought. his book. It's garbage. M.

>> there's a lot of people that just want. you to fail because they don't like. comparing themselves to. >> Right. You they you can raise your. status or you can lower theirs. >> Crabs in a bucket, baby. It's always. been crabs in a bucket. Crabs don't let. other crabs get out of that bucket. They. grab their legs and pull them right back. down. >> We were talking about this today. I. mean, I think we've talked about this. before, how when we was starting. trigonometry in Britain, there is that. crabs in the bucket culture, particularly in the comedy industry, which we were in at the time. I don't. know if it's like this here, but like it.

was hard to get out of that mindset. And. actually coming to the US was a big. thing for us. >> I remember I was talking to Tom Billy. You know Tom, you've had a right uh. at his house in LA like looks like a. spaceship overlooking. >> and we're sitting there in this giant. house and he said to me like eventually. and he's very good friends and it's kind. of been a mentor to me at times as well. and he said, "You got to cut this. British [ __ ] out, man.". >> He literally said it like that. about. seeing like forgetting it's like he was.

like the sky's is the limit just go for. it. >> and we very few people get taught that. you know. >> yeah you have to it has to come from. somebody you respect you know that's. what it has to. >> that's true. >> and then you go oh that's how he's. living his life now I'm inspired to live. my life that way. >> we got real lucky in LA that um there. was a lot of successful people that were. there at the time so there was less. resentment cuz everybody is really doing. well. >> And you know, I've come I come from a.

martial arts background. It's a. different background. So, in my. background, you have to have really good. people around you. >> You have to like you're better off being. the second best guy in the gym. You're. going to learn more. >> Like the the first get best guy is. kicking everybody's ass. Like, you want. to be the guy who's the second best guy. in the gym. Like, you you want to be. around like he's going to make you work. hard because you're like, "O [ __ ] I got. to beat that guy." you and then you need. all these young people like nipping at. your heels all the time. Everybody needs. everybody. >> And if you don't have that, you don't.

get good enough. And you'll go to a gym. or you go to a tournament and you. compete against people that do have that. and that's their environment. They're. going to kill you. They kill you all the. time. The best guys are all the most. assassinfilled rooms. Nobody gets good. in silence. Nobody gets good on their. own. And it doesn't it doesn't happen in. a vacuum. And I think that's comedy, too. So, I came into comedy with that. mindset. Like, we're all in this. together. But when you're on stage, it's. not me. It's you. I want you to do. great. Like, kill, just destroy, just go. up. We're going to all going to do the.

best we can. And that's and we're all in. it together. >> Yeah. It's I I think the problem comes. with a lot of people is that because. this is such a big country, there's more. opportunities. >> And when you come from a smaller country. with a smaller population, there's there. there's simply fewer opportunities. And. so what that produces in people is like, well, there's only these six slots and. there's this person and this person and. we're all going for the same slots. Therefore, they're a threat to me at. this point, but also a threat to my.

future and future prosperity. >> Famine mentality. >> Yeah. So that's I remember I I have a a. very good mate of mine who's a stand-up. He was on this show called Mock the Week. and he told this story like he went to. do a joke on the show and this at the. time was one of the biggest comedy panel. shows in the UK and this guy tapped him. on the foot. But he went, "What?" And. then put his joke in. >> Ew. Ew. I heard Saturday Night Live was like. that. Phil Hartman used to tell me. horror stories about Saturday Night. Live. When Phil Hartman first came over. to News Radio, he was like a little.

standoffish at first. And uh it took a. while for him to like open up with us. I. thought maybe that's just like a weird. thing about being that famous cuz he was. so famous and we weren't famous, you. know? It was like being around people. that like maybe wanted something from. you all the time. That's what I assumed. And so, but after a while, we became. really close and it didn't take that. long for him to open up about it. And he. said, "When I was at Sant Live, it was. so doggy dog and it was so backstabby. and cutthroat." He goes, "I just had my.

defenses up about everybody." And I was. like, "Really?" Like, like what way? And. he told me some stories. I don't want to. name any names because, you know, I. think they're probably ashamed of what. they did back then, too. But they would. all steal each other's premises and they. would u fire each other's assistants and. do terrible [ __ ] to each other. They. would sabotage each other's bits. They. would go behind each other's back to. Lauren Michaels and try to get something. removed and and [ __ ] with each other all. the time. And he just like like he had. physical confrontations with staff. members and um or or cast members.

rather. And so when he came over to news. radio, he had to like. >> he had to like calm down like he wasn't. used to just being around fun people. It. was weird. It's a. >> horrible way to live. >> It is a horrible way to live. But there. was a lot of that going on in the '9s. >> In the '9s in LA in particular, everybody was trying to get on sitcoms. So, say if we were all working together. at the comedy store, >> we're all if we were all reasonably the. same age, there was a real problem. because we're all going up for this new. sitcom and you know, you could be this.

guy's buddy who's like this hilarious. character and it would be an amazing. thing and all of a sudden you're you're. picturing yourself in movies. You're. you're there with Jim Carrey. You're on. the red carpet. You're driving a. Ferrari. It's literally all right there. The pathway is right there. And and I. get it. And you're like, "Motherfucker, Joe got it. Godamn it." And then you. would feel it from them. Like you would. go to the club and they people would say. shitty things to you because you got. cast in a sitcom. It was weird. Everybody was like just desperado. And.

the I think the worst version of that. was the late night hosts cuz there was. only like three of them, >> right? >> Wow. And it was everybody was jocking to. be the host of the big one which was the. Tonight Show. So when Johnny Carson. stepped down it was just like this. [ __ ] feeding frenzy. They were all want everyone Letterman. wanted it you know. Of course Leno. wanted it. Leno's hiding in closets. listening to people talk about it. Crazy. It's the most famine mentality. cuz it's one job. >> and they all want that was the golden.

carrot was hosting the Tonight Show. >> That is the awesome thing about the. internet man. is just like make your. [ __ ]. >> The beautiful thing about the internet. is that famine mentality is completely. unnecessary. Like if you find out. there's some kid who makes $10 million a. month on Twitch, how does that affect. you? It doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't. >> The only way it affects you is it says. if I find a thing that I'm good at and I. do it on the internet, I'm going to be. rewarded. >> Yeah. Just find a thing that resonates. that you can I mean you can play video.

games and people watch and give you. money. >> Okay. I mean, what do parents say now. when they tell kids to stop playing. video games? Go get a job that pays. almost nothing and sucks the soul right. out of the top of your [ __ ] head. while you sit in front of that stupid. monitor. Or play video games and drive a. Porsche. >> Yeah. >> They can't say anything anymore. And. then if you're an actually good video. game player, you could actually make. money playing video games where your. parents would encourage you like, "Constantine, you're a really good.

golfer. Do you know golf scholarships. are worth a lot of money? You could be a. great golfer. Golfers get paid a lot of. money and they would encourage you. They. take you to golf camp and teach you to. work on your [ __ ] swing. Then. nobody's taking their kid to video game. camp. >> There is a college in the UK uh that was. in the news a couple of days ago that. has created a video games department. >> So you can go to college for video games. training for competition. >> Are video games competitions? Does it.

broke is it broken up by gender? Do they. ever do that? >> I don't think so. >> I don't. >> That's interesting. >> I Yeah, I don't. >> because they do it with chess, >> but they don't do it with dots. So, in. dots. >> Oh, darts. I was like, dots? >> That's my accent. >> I was like, what is this? >> I'm going to learn a new game. >> Well, with darts, it's really. interesting. So, there's this guy called. Luke Littleler who is this 18-year-old. kid and he was at the age of 17, he was. seen as this generational talent and. he's doing super well and I think a.

couple of weeks ago he got beaten by a. girl. >> Oh my god. >> And that's like and that's now seen as. kind of this this moment where it's. actually going to be women in darts. >> It's it's an exciting time. Joe, this is. what we talk about in the UK. There was. a pool tournament in the UK where it's a. woman's pool tournament and two. transgender women were in the finals. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's wonderful. But the pool's a. weird one because pool's not physically. it's not about strength. That's a weird.

one. Like one of the best players in the. world is this guy named Coping Chong. He's from Taiwan and he weighs like 115. pounds, maybe 120. >> He's very weak, right? This there's. definitely women that are stronger than. him. I mean, his his arms are these tiny. little arms, but he plays. >> perfect. It's like a he's a virtuoso. You watch him run out, you like his Q. ball control is like it's ungodly. It's. like he's got it on a string. Like why. can't a woman do that? That doesn't make. any sense. Like it's not that's a weird. one. That's where there's differences.

between like men's uh. better at navigation of 3D spaces. There's there's certain hand eye. coordination advantages. It's weird. stuff. It's weird because it shouldn't. make any difference except for the break. shot. Take the break shot out and then. there's nothing that involves strength. Everything involves like a delicate. touch and and and a smoothness of the. motion and an understanding of the game. >> Isn't it also as well that women are far. more less likely to be obsessional than. men? Men are far more likely to be.

single focused and if they find. something that they enjoy doing that. they will do it at nauseium until they. become exceptional at it. >> You know what that is? That's the. hunter's persistence. >> You had to have that persistence to. survive as a hunter. >> Like if you want to be a hunter, you got. to get really good at a bow and arrow. and you get really good at stalking. animals. You got to get really good and. figure it out. Like it's like a like it. has to be your primary life focus. because that's how you eat. That's the. only way to eat. It's hard to sneak up.

on an animal with a [ __ ] bow and. arrow. So, if you're doing that all the. time, you you have to have or a spear. even before that. So, you had to have. insane dedication to sticking with this. You couldn't go, "This is never going to. work. You could collapse with your. spear." No, you had to get up and keep. going. You had to be completely. obsessed. >> Yeah. >> And so, that makes its way to video. games. That makes its way to pool and. darts and and chess and everything else. It's it's hunter's persistence. literally why we have it.

>> That's so interesting. And but it's also. and therefore women are less likely to. have it because women weren't hunters or. were far less likely to be. >> It's interesting because there's a lot. of women hunters today. It's not half, but there's a lot there's a lot of women. that that go hunting. There's women that. go backpack hunting. They go bow. hunting, backpacking by themselves in. the back country, which is nuts. Like. you're a 120lb woman and there's a. [ __ ] wolves and bears and mountain. lions and and you're out there in a tent. that you set yourself by yourself.

That's gangster. Like that takes [ __ ]. courage, you know? It takes courage for. a man to do that. Like those are the. elite of the elite hunters. >> The guys who go deep into the back. country with a backpack. They put like. 60 pounds on their back. They carry. their bow in. So, they've got their. food, they've got their tent, they've. got everything on their back, and they. just go in and they'll go in for weeks. Like, that's the craziest level of it. And if you're a woman and you're doing. that, like, you are that's a gangster.

lady. Like, that lady could do anything. Like if she could do that, like you know. much courage you have to have to be 120. pound woman and hike 15 miles into the. back country where there's bears and. mountain lions and all kinds and they. know where you are and you don't know. where they are. They know where you are. The moment you enter that forest, they. start smelling you miles away. They know. you're around and you're just.

>> What's the appeal of bow hunting over. firearms? >> It's harder. It's harder to do. >> and it's I suppose more natural quote. unquote. You're closer to your. ancestors, right? The way they would. have hunted. >> that sort of I mean the kind of bows. that I I shoot, they're really good. I I. shoot a Hoy and it's they're there's. like a couple of like really big. companies and Hoy is one of the big. companies that makes the absolute best. bows and every year they make a bow. that's slightly better. >> Every year slightly better. Like I have.

the bow this year that's next year's. bow. It hasn't come out yet. Like they. gave me it before gets released in. November and then people start buying it. right after that. But I got it a couple. months ago and every year they get. better somehow or another. It's nothing. like a [ __ ] piece of wood with a. string and a stick that you made. yourself with a one of these on the end. of it, >> right? >> Like that you made That's a real one. It's a real. >> Can I have a look? >> Native Yeah, it's a real Native American. arrowhead. >> Oh, wow. Stone, right?

>> Yeah, it's flint, I believe. >> Um Wow. >> The ones that I have, I mean, I measure. the arrows exactly. They're 475 grains. each one of them. I have a 125 grain. broadhead. Each one weighs exactly in. the range of 125 grains. I measure them. all. I weigh everything to make sure. it's not like there might could be some. factory defect and one is like three or. four grains heavier. If it is, I pull. that sucker out because my sight is. based entire my tape that I I like have. my yardage on is based entirely on the.

speed of the arrow and the strength of. the bow measured through a chronograph. I have a rangefinder that tells me the. exact distance between me and the. animal. And then I dial that up on the. scope. So the reticle like the um the uh. fiber optic dot raises and lowers and it. puts it exactly where I need to aim at. like 55 yards or whatever right over the. vitals and I just draw back and stay. calm and execute the shot.

>> Yeah, that doesn't sound like the. ancestral environment. >> It's not. It's not. But it's as close as. you can get to the ancestral environment. and be ethical and lethal cuz you don't. want to wound an animal. You want to. kill them. So you have to practice every. day. You have to shoot arrows every day. cuz it's a thing you have to like lock. into your memory because in high. pressure situations it's like. >> I bet your heart is [ __ ] going. >> But you have to not let that happen too. That's the other thing. You have to do.

it enough times so you recognize it. coming on. You're like, "No, no, no, no." Wow. You got to stay dead, stay. calm. You got to just like zone out. You. got to just go through your your shot. process. Know exactly what to do, but. don't even think about it. Just do the. thing. Do the thing that you've trained. to do. Just execute. Do it. And then. afterwards, go, "Holy shit." Afterwards, you let let yourself come back to. normal. You got to like stay in this. zone. There's like a zone of. >> non excitement, >> you know? Like I I would imagine an.

assassin gets in that zone like getting. in the zone of non- excitement like. where you just like stay right there. focused but don't don't let that [ __ ]. ever happen. Don't let it get there. You. got to stay right there. And the only. way to know how to do that is you have. to experience it a bunch of times. Yeah. And then see and then you also have to. have experience in doing other difficult. things. So you know how to navigate and. manage adrenaline and stress. >> And that's what's missing with a lot of. people in life. They don't. So any. little thing that gives them anxiety,

all of a sudden they're freaking out and. screaming and running around because. they don't know how to handle pressure. >> Yeah. They don't know how to handle. pressure. What's so interesting about. the bow is to see if you look at it. historically, it was it was its. technology. So you saw in the Hundred. Years War, the English used the long bow. >> and the French used the crossbow. >> Yeah. >> And the differences in between. And part. of the reason that the English won the. the hundred Years War was because the. longbowow was just so easy.

>> Mhm. >> Take it. >> Yep. >> Whereas a crossbow, you fire it, it's. power, and then you've got to get and. then reload and do all of that. >> And it's hard. It's hard to reload. >> It's pain in the ass. >> Yeah. And then you fire and then So by. the time a Frenchman I don't I don't. know the stats, had fired one, the. Englishman had already fired several. >> Well, the Comanche used to keep them in. between their fingers. So they would. hold four or five arrows at a time and. they would just go like this. and they would do that while they're on. horseback and they had it burned into.

their memory because they did it all day. long. They did it when they were. hunting. They did it when they were. fighting and they were always fighting. That's all they did. The command and. they didn't make any art and all they. did is kill things and eat things. They. ate buffalo and they killed everybody. But they they [ __ ] up all the. Americans or all the settlers that tried. to make it across there because they had. musketss and you'd get off one shot and. they would hit you with four arrows and. they would run at you while they're. shooting arrows at you. >> and you're like.

all the [ __ ] stupidity that you have. to do to shoot a musket. >> Yeah. >> You know, you couldn't compete with. them. They just they [ __ ] everybody up. until Colt figured out the 45. till they. figured out um uh I wasn't I guess it. was was it the 45 but whatever it was it. was a revolver. >> and a revolver had a chamber and you. could shove it in there and you have. five or six shots I forget how many they. initially had. >> but that's what changed everything. otherwise they were just [ __ ] people. up but that that was just technology. it's all technology and this technology.

is primitive enough like bow hunting. technology primitive enough anymore like. I have friends that hunt with recurve. bows so they just hunt with a regular. bow. don't have a sight on it. It's just like. instinctive where you hit. >> it's not that accurate. >> You know, animals are moving. You're. guessing. There's a lot going on. There's a there's a high likelihood of. wounding rather than killing. And. >> animal runs away. So, you can't actually. finish it. especially if you don't wound.

them that much, you know, and uh it's. just me personally, but there's people. that are good enough at it that they do. it with that. >> and they're just more even more lethal. than I am with a compound bow. They are. with a recurve. They just know how to. sneak up and they have to get a lot. closer. They want to get like 20 or 30. yards. They want to get really close. >> But that's what I love about America is. that your wildlife here is wild. >> Oh yeah, man. You know, we got a lot of. [ __ ] that'll kill you. Yeah, we've got. >> You see that mountain line out front? >> Did you see the mountain line that's.

stuffed out front? >> No, >> you didn't see it. It's right in the. middle of the uh the right where the. green room area is out front right in. front of the television. >> Is that new? >> Yeah, it's my friend My friend Adam. Greenree. He shot it in Colorado and ate. it. He ate a mountain line. >> Can you eat You can eat You. >> Yeah, he gave me some of the loin. Mountain lion tastes like uh It's like a. really good pork. Like the best pork. you've ever had. >> Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, but I I remember. I was talking I did Red Band's gig uh. this secret show on Thursday and.

backstage he was showing me. >> uh there was a bobcat with its cubs in. his backyard. >> Yeah, >> it was incredible. >> Yeah, Bobcats won't hurt you. Luckily, they could. They really could if they. wanted to. >> I bet if if you got close to mama with. the with the cub, she's going to [ __ ]. you up, isn't she? >> I wonder. I don't I don't think I've. ever heard of a bobcat attacking a. person. I mean, I'm sure they probably. have. Someone's probably done something. stupid. >> Woke up to it like it's chocolate down, >> bro. Someone's probably [ __ ] a Bobcat.

All right. There's probably a dude. somewhere that like lost a bet and had a. [ __ ] a bobcat. Um, right. I wouldn't I. wouldn't doubt that. If you had to bet. all your money on yes or no, I'd be. like, "Yes, there's a guy. There's some. [ __ ] wild dude. from [ __ ] Arkansas or what?" But the. point is um that mountain line that uh. Adam shot that was uh it was a. depradation one where they had to kill. it because it was killing all these cows. and uh they had stumbled upon this one.

uh cal that had gotten right before they. got to it. It eviscerated this cal and. it it was still alive and it had eaten. some of its organs and they had to kill. the cal and then they're like hunting. for this mountain lion and he has a. video of him shooting this thing. dogs. chase it up a tree and then he shoots it. with a bow and arrow and then he had it. stuffed here and he ate it. >> Do you aim you aim for the heart or the. head? >> Yeah, you aim for the heart and the. lungs. Uh whatever is available. depending on the position of the. mountain lion's arm, right? Like if the.

arm is like right here, you want to you. want to tuck it right behind the. shoulder and you're going to get double. lungs. And if the arm is up here, you're. gonna either get the heart or the lungs. depending on where their arm is or. whether or not you have a bow that's. powerful enough to go through the arm. >> and into the body cavity. >> Is there a risk? Cuz maybe this is like. an urban myth, but if you hurt hurt an. animal, but you don't kill it, it will. come back. Some of them will come back. to [ __ ] you up like a kind of revenge.

movie. >> No. >> John Wick of animals. >> I imagine they just run away. >> They run away. Well, it's wild like deer. that have survived with an arrow in. their body cavity. There was a a deer. skeleton that they found of a deer that. they that someone a hunter killed. eventually. And this thing had a arrow. that had gone through its body and had. turned all into bone. So bone had taken. over this arrow and the the whole cape. There it is. That's what it looked like. >> Wow. >> Wow. >> Isn't that crazy? So you could see the.

broadhead embedded itself in one of the. ribs and so not only did the deer. survive but its body adapted and it grew. around the arrow. >> Wow. >> Wow. Actually the reason I said that. about the that is insane about the. animal was I know that corvids. particularly crows can remember they can. remember and then there's been instances. where people have hurt crows and the. crows flown away and then a group of. them have attacked the person. >> Oh yeah. They're really smart. There's. they're super and ravens I think that. are they're actually different than.

crows and they're even smarter than. crows. >> Do you know there's a parrot? What was. that parrot that. >> parrot? >> Yeah. Who told us about that? Who was that the other day? Was that. Palmer? Palmer Lucky. I. >> think so. >> I think so. >> Oh, is that the dude with the helmet? >> Yes. >> Holy [ __ ] That helmet, bro. >> Bro, that helmet's nuts. That helmet's. nuts. this guy, that guy was you ever. every now and then I get to sit down. with someone and they start talking, I. go, "Whoa, he this guy's [ __ ] crazy. smart, like weirdly smart." Like, "Oh,

okay. I got it. I got it." Like, "Tell. me what you're doing." And um he was. telling us about this parrot that. actually would speak like a human. toddler and knew colors, new numbers, could say things, could and would. communicate. >> African gray. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. African grays. They have. they they can have the IQ of a. four-year-old child. That is nuts. When. you see this thing talking, you're like, >> "Yeah.". >> And their imitation of sounds is like. >> perfect. Dead on.

>> Yeah. But you have to be around them all. the time. You have a twin that you got. to take with you everywhere you go. >> Really? Cuz they just get pulled and. [ __ ] [ __ ] you up. Too smart. >> They actually start like chopping their. own wings off and [ __ ] like that. They. don't get stimulation. Yeah. They get. depressed. They really need a lot of. stimulation. >> Really? They're like humans. >> I thought about owning a parro, but I. just traveled too much. >> Yeah. You don't know. You don't want. that in your life. That's too much work. >> It's It's a commitment. >> Yeah. If you leave it alone, it would be. sad, too. >> Yeah. But that's what I'm saying. >> Yeah. They get mad. I had a buddy of. mine who had a parrot and when he would.

leave it, he would come home and start. screaming, >> "Where the [ __ ] were you?". >> Like it wasn't really saying that, but. it was like that was what it was saying. It was screaming. >> Why get married when you've got that? >> Yeah. And then he had to upon coming. home immediately take it out and take it. out and like put it on his shoulder or. put it on his hand. And if you put it. down for a second, it would start. getting pissed off. It's crazy. I'm like, "Dude." He goes, "I know. It's a lot." He goes, "I didn't. think it was going to be this much." I. was like, "It was a lot of work.". >> Yeah. >> Joe, I'm not Hope I'm not being poly. Have you got any of those cigars we. always smoke? I would love a cigar.

>> Let's go, baby. >> It's a weird thing to ask to be. >> These are really good. >> I should have said if you offer us a. cigar, we'll accept one. >> All you have to do is please. >> We have a big ass humidor. >> Um Um There is a there somewhere. Right. here. No, >> Bonobo chimps are very interesting like. that as well. >> They're the weirdest, right? Because. they just [ __ ] all the time. >> This might might need some juice. Let me. give you a little juice. >> Go for it. They're weird because it's. like, okay, so chimps can be either.

hippies or they can be, you know, like. the worst barbarians in human history. >> Just like us. >> Just like us. That's what's weird. >> cuz like But also the bonobos like they. don't have any they have one rule. The. rule is the mom won't [ __ ] the son. That's it. >> It's a good rule. So yeah, >> it's a good [ __ ] rule, man. >> But they're a bunch of sister [ __ ]. They're a bunch of sister [ __ ] and. daughter [ __ ]. >> but they're not [ __ ]. >> They're probably dad [ __ ] too. They're probably [ __ ] They're. probably doing gay sex, too. They They. seem wild. They're just having a good.

time. >> But they're not homophobic. >> No, not at all. And they solve all their. problems with that. >> Do you need to cut these ones? >> Yeah. >> How do you. >> It opens like a door like that. >> Oh, right here. >> And then you pull this. But you know. they can learn sign language. >> Oh yeah. You know what's interesting. though? They don't ask questions. >> So they're like men. >> But the uh parrot did. >> The parrot did. >> Yeah. The parrot asked questions. The. parrot had some uh questions about how. things work. >> The African grays are incredibly.

intelligent. Incredibly intelligent. >> Well, what I'm interested in is what. happens when we can start really. decoding dolphin language with AI, right? And once they really understand. what they're saying, then things are. going to get very strange. >> Light light it. I mean, yeah. >> You know, because um like what are they. they I mean they're really smart. Like. silly smart. Like dolphins have enormous. frontal loes. >> Oh yeah, man. And communication. >> Mhm. >> Mhm.

>> They have dialects. They have. >> They have dialects. >> Yeah. They sound different. I mean, that. makes sense, right? They're different. Slightly different. Well, on that note, you think, what. about whales? Whales brains are. literally bigger than us. They're. enormous. So, >> if we're talking about brain size. equals, which I'm. >> It's brain size relative to body mass. >> Yeah. Oh, is it? >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz you need a big [ __ ]. brain to run a big body. Yeah. Right. >> Right. Which is also the argument for.

why the Neanderls might have been dumber. than us. >> Well, they were from. >> They think they don't know that though. Really? >> Yeah. They had pretty big brains. What's. weird about them is they also had. language. Um they had writing and or. they had they definitely had tool. >> making. writing. No, they didn't have writing. They had language. Um but they they did. do art. That's what it is. >> It wasn't writing necessarily, but they. drew stuff. >> and. they had a brain that's bigger than. ours.

>> But they were also like jacked. They had. bigger eyeballs. There was a guy that. there's a there was a crazy theory that. I'm sure is horseshit, but uh it was cool. Like he made. Neanderls look way different. This guy. had a theory like cuz we're just we've. never seen a live Neanderl and he was. like what if we are getting it totally. wrong and what if they were more gorilla. looking. >> than. >> but we have their skulls and skeletons. don't. >> We have some stuff and they also think. they have red hair. This guy was it's a. cracked theory but it was a fun theory. But one of the more fun aspects of this.

guy's crack theory was that their. eyeballs are so much bigger than ours. Their sockets are really big. It's like, what if they have night vision like a. deer or like a wolf, >> you know, which is totally possible for. a primate to have. It's not like. >> it's not like there's anything about. being that kind of a mammal that would. exclude you from being able to develop. night vision eyesight. >> Are there are there primates that have. that? >> I don't know. >> Cuz there's mammals for sure. >> Yeah. Let's ask let's ask uh perplexity. >> Is there any What is that called when.

they have night vision? When animals are. nocturnal and they could see well at. night. You know that thing that like. when you're driving and you're. >> see a fox or something? >> Yeah. The reflective eyes that they all. have. Yeah. >> What is that? >> What's that called? >> I don't know. >> I don't know. >> We should know. Do you know there's a. very interesting theory about. Neanderthalss and um homo sapiens is. there are some people who think that we. are one of the few species or one of the. only species that has the capacity to.

deceive. >> and trick. So there was there's a. there's a theory going around. >> but monkeys do that. Monkeys trick other monkeys into. thinking there's an eagle coming. So. they steal fruit. >> Do they? >> Yeah. That's. >> they yell out the sound for eagle and. then all the monkeys run away and then. they steal the fruit. >> Oh, really? Yeah. So, here it is. Monk. primates, the tarscier and the night. monkey, owl monkey are the species with. the best vision adapted to night. conditions, >> right? >> Okay. So, they do see look at that.

largest eyes relative to body size of. any mammal. M so it's something about. having a large eye because if you Okay. So despite lacking a tapetum lucidum the. reflective layer that cause eye shine in. many nocturnal animals. Oh that's what. that is. Uh their retinas contain an. extremely high density of rod photo. receptors which are highly sensitive to. dim light. This allows tarscers to. detect and track prey such as insects in. near darkness and they can see in light.

as low as 0.001. 001 lux similar to. moonless nights. Damn. >> So, um there's a bunch of different. little primates. >> Oh, Lorises. >> Why? I mean, if you were living in a. time, especially if you didn't have. fire, if you're living in a time where. you know there's no roofs, like you're. you're you're hunting. You're outside at. night. You're probably spending as much. time as you can hunting because. Neanderls weren't gatherers. They. weren't farmers. So, all they did was. hunt. M so they probably had some sort.

of night vision which would have been. wild. >> Yeah. The thing that I find interesting. is what is there I think there's a. certain the average person in Europe has. around 3% Neanderthal. >> Mhm. DNA. >> DNA three 3% if you African zero. >> Right. >> So it's it's just really interesting and. you see some people and they're more. they kind of have more of an Neanderthal. kind of appearance to them. >> Yeah. For sure. And then other people. you go, what does that actually give you.

that 3%. What does it do? Is it any. discernable difference whatsoever? Does. it make you perhaps more athletic, more. res more resilient? >> It's a good question. I mean, I think it. would depend. I mean, >> there's also a bunch of other weird. strains of human that existed that you. like Dennis Ovenans and there's. >> there quite a few other ones. >> Yeah. Yeah, you know, who knows what if. I think the Dennis Ovenans I think they. definitely got into the gene pool, too. I forget who they were saying had a high.

levels of Dennis Oven DNA. It might have. been Aboriginal Australians, >> but you know, there's there was a bunch. of different types of human. You know, we just figured out how to be the. cuntiest and the most conniving and I. think probably the most clever. >> Well, Harrari's, have you read Sapiens? His thesis is we we worked out how to. work together. >> beyond the 150 done by number. >> That was his his idea is basically we. created these shared myths,

>> religion, money, whatever, nation, all. of this stuff that we all agree is real. that you know it feels real, >> right? >> But we the reason we out competed other. species is that we could cooperate. across beyond our immediate tribal. group. And that's the reason. >> that makes sense. That makes sense. There's also uh human beings have a very. distinct desire to make better things. all the time. >> And if you have that and you're applying. that to weapons,

>> you're going to make the best weapons. >> You know, I don't know. >> if Neanderls had that. You know, did. they have I mean, if you're going to. make stuff, right, if you're going to. make tools, you must have some. creativity and some desire to innovate. >> and curiosity. Yeah. curiosity, desire. to innovate, cuz we know that like um. there's certain animals that will use. weapons, right? There are certain like. there's a a famous photograph of an. orangutan that's spear fishing. Have you. ever seen that photo?

>> But it learned how to do it from people. >> And you know, they'll use rocks to break. open crabs and they'll do stuff like. that, but they're not fastening an arrow. head on a stick or a spear and they're. making it with flint. The inner did. that. M. >> so they got to a level where they're. like okay this is like craftsmanship. like this is sophisticated craftsmanship. and it would also probably indicate some. sort of a complex language that you. could explain where you get the the gut.

that you turn into fiber that you use to. tie the arrow head to the stick. >> like they were they were doing they were. doing some highle stuff. >> Yeah. For a primate. >> Yeah. I would imagine also a lot of the. innovation comes once you have the agrar. revolution because there's now surplus. food. Yeah. And so you can afford to. have a bunch of guys sitting around not. hunting but like thinking about [ __ ] or. inventing things or you know making. things in a different way, you know. >> Did you see that uh discovery of a skull.

that was 500,000 years older than they. thought was the origin of human beings? So that it potentially pushes back the. original homo sapiens to 500,000 years. No. >> Is that real? >> Yeah. Yeah. I think it's it might push. back um the date I mean it's under. debate, I'm sure, but I think they might. push back the date of the arrival of. homo sapiens to a million years. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> But it just shows, you know, >> this is just nuts.

>> How little we know about ancient. civilization. Stonehenge in the UK, which is this iconic. No, I haven't. No, >> you you should go. It's really special. energy there, man. >> Yeah, it's really impressive and like. Constantin said, there's a special. energy and it's it's a profoundly moving. place when you visit it. You feel as if. you have a connection to something else. It's like going to the pyramids, but. they have no idea. They have a rough. idea of where the stones might have come. from, but they've got no idea how they. got there, how they erected them. >> Yeah, >> you should go, man. Joe Rogan arrested a.

Heathrow airport. >> That would be a great [ __ ] story. I'm. sure they can find some tweets. >> for us, brother. >> Or just the things that I've said. Does. that count as social media? The things. that I've said talking [ __ ] about. England? >> Yeah, of course. >> I'm sure they could arrest me for that. >> Arrested. >> Yeah, >> maybe not. But why would I take that. chance? I could just look at a picture. of Stonehenge. >> Um, the weird thing about that uh. English countryside to me is uh the. weirdest thing is the crop circle thing.

Cuz the crop circle thing I used to. think was stupid. I was like, "What?". So, it's some people flattening things. out with a board and making designs. That's it. And then I started watching. some people that were actual scientists. that were breaking down what's actually. happening to these plants. They're like, "Something weird's going on. They're not. just pushing these things down." Whoever. is making these, I'm not suggesting. aliens are making them, but they're. making them in a way where they're using. energy and it's it's causing the nodes.

in the these plants to burst and they're. bending over and they're not snapping. A. lot of them are bent in place. It's it's. all very weird and they're woven. There's no footprints in, no footprints. out. And some of them appear like. overnight and they're these massive. geometric patterns. It's really weird. stuff because if this is a coordinated. effort, some of them are fractals and. you see the fractals. >> and they're AC across like what you. would say of two like a soccer pitch.

like bigger than that, bigger than a. soccer field with massive like fractal. patterns perfectly woven into crops. It's weird. They're weird. I don't think. it's I think some people made them by. stomping on boards and moving them. around, but those you can kind of tell. cuz they're different and they're not. that sophisticated and they're not that. impressive. But there's been some ones. that would see if you could pull up some. of these giant fractal ones. There's. been a few where you see people in them.

like that one. >> Yeah. >> You see people like standing in them and. you go, "Oh, fuck.". >> Oh, right. Wow. >> Look how small those people are. >> Like on the left, that's people, right? Yeah. >> So, this appeared overnight. >> What? >> Yes. Overnight. And some of them like. this have appeared in an afternoon where. a a guy has flown his small plane over a. field, worked, and then flown his small. plane back, and all of a sudden, this. massive. >> fractal geometric pattern is is in this.

these crops. And what's weird is some of. them look like they have messages and. some of them just look like patterns. And wow, one of them was the Mandelro. set. Okay, the Mandelro set is a. particularly complex fracture fractal. rather that I think right after it was. discovered was when it appeared in a. crop circle like not not long after. Like look at this. They're woven.

>> Wow. >> This is weird stuff. >> This is in England, right? Exactly. A. lot of them are in England. And uh I've. always wondered like what is that about? And you could say, "Oh man, it's just. [ __ ] It's people [ __ ] around.". It might be. It might be. But if it is, it's the most incredible hoax of all. time. Cuz the people that did say that. they did it when they asked them, there. was a couple couple friends who like. were making crop circles and they said, "Show us how you do it." And they showed. them how they do it. But the stuff they. made wasn't [ __ ] It wasn't [ __ ] It.

wasn't like this. They would have a. string and they would like step on this. board and they do it in a circle so that. they made sure it was circle but it. wasn't this. >> you guys something's going on like. whatever that is someone's [ __ ] with. somebody there's some sort of technology. that we're not aware of that's that kind. of makes sense to me cuz if we know that. direct energy weapons are real right so. if this is saying that they're creating. this with microwave energy or something. similar to that that's making these. nodes burst see if you can find the. burst nodes of crop circles because.

that's what's weird. Like some of them. it's almost like like a microwave. cooking something and it pops like a hot. dog. >> That's what it looks like. >> And if you had a weapon, not a weapon, but a thing that you could point down. from a satellite and you could make a. geometric pattern in crops, you could. just burn it into the crop like. instantaneously. Why wouldn't you do that? >> Just to show that you could do it. Like. look how cool this is. Look at this. thing that we invented. This is a direct. energy weapon, but if you use it low.

level, you can literally imprint a. geometric pattern into crops. No. footprints in, no footprints out. >> I mean, they're like, "Oh, aliens are. trying to leave messages." I'm like, or. highlevel government agencies that are. using blackfunded operations and uh. misappropriating funds in line of. Congress have developed a way to [ __ ]. take fractals and beam them into fields. Man, some of the stuff like the war in. Ukraine has accelerated technological.

development of weapons in a way that. like the drone warfare that's going on. right now. >> It's [ __ ] crazy, man. Like the next. war that's good if there's another big. war between like two big countries. >> That's going to be it's going to be like. something we used to watch in the. movies, man. It already is in the way. >> They have these like drones because. they've worked out how to jam them or. hijack them. So now they're on a fiber. octed cable that's like 10 km long. >> Yeah. And then birds are taking them and. making nests out of them. >> Right. It's [ __ ] insane.

>> So that's the only photo I see that. comes up. Okay. You're looking for. >> Well, they they had burst. Yeah, that's. that one. The white one in the center. Yeah, that one right there. So you could. see how these things they're expanded. out in some weird way like energy. Not. like they're broken, but like that they. got hit with something like a like a. focused energy that made them bend over. in that pattern. Like look at all this. Look how weird that is. And this has. been documented at a lot of the really. complex ones. And that's why it's.

strange. Like look at the look at that. one in the center that looks like a. maze. I mean, what the [ __ ] man? >> Jamie, what's the official explanation. of how these things are made? Uh, when I. Google everything I'm looking up says. there's people that have admitted to. making most of them and they've been. proven to be made a lot of times. >> I'm sure they made a bunch of them. >> That's all I'm just That's up. >> I think people are a little dismissive. of the weirdness of this. >> cuz there are some of these like that's. the Mandelro set. That one right there.

That fractal. When did it appear after. the Mandalor? >> It was in ' 91. >> Okay. These are obviously man-made. They're far too symmetrical for that. >> They're obviously not man-made. >> Obviously not man-made. Excuse me. Far. too symmetrical for that. This is in. Cambridge Weekly, but that's someone's. opinion, right? >> Um, >> what did when did the Mandleroat set. first get discovered as a fractal? >> In general, >> what is the origin of the Mandelro set? When was the origin date for the. discovery of the Mandlero set? It's just.

a very comp. It's really cool if you. watch like a 3D version of the Mandler. set. >> discovered I guess. >> I guess discovered or created because. you're really just discovering something. that's that's geometry. So in 1980. >> 1970 was first was first. >> first roughly drawn by mathematician. >> 78 in. >> uh okay and then first visualized in.

high quality in March 1st of 1980 and. that thing was from 1991. Is that what. it was from? >> Yeah. And this says that it was so close. to Cambridge that it was most like. >> [ __ ] You got me. Um, see if you. can find a um 3D video of the Mandlero. set. cuz it's so weird when you see what this. thing really is. Like fractals are very. strange because something about them. that resonates with your your brain. goes, "Oh, this is how the universe is.".

You know, because I tend to think that's. really what's going on. Especially when. you look at um human brain tissue versus. uh a map of the universe. Have you ever. seen that? Like human neural maps and. then a a map of the actual universe. itself? You're like. >> that's a little too close. Like that's. kind of dead on the money. They look. exactly the same. They look like it's. exactly the same thing. And. it's completely like if you believe in.

infinity and if the universe is. infinite. >> Wow. So, this is a 3D version of the. Mandlero set. >> Wow. >> So, as you get closer and closer, >> this is not the one I'm looking for. This is like a an artist's rendition of. it. >> But a 3D video of it will show like how. the closer you get, it becomes bigger. again and then it goes into another. thing and then you get close to that one. and then it becomes bigger again. And. it's just the fractal nature of it. And.

then you you you think about like, okay, if the universe is infinite, that it's. not even that's it. Get get to that one. If the universe is infinite, it's not. even remotely absurd to think that the. whole universe is just human neural. tissue of another creature that lives in. another universe. And hopefully this. dude doesn't blow his own brains out. because that might be the big bang. The. big bang. The big bang might be the guy. who is our universe. He's depressed and. uh he hates that explain.

>> That kind of explains a lot. >> Explains a lot. And he hates his job and. he's going to stick a gun in his mouth. >> Yeah. >> Isn't that nuts? Like this is the That's. a like an actual. >> Now see if you can find a photo that. compares human uh neural tissue with uh. the universe. You ever seen You know. that image I'm talking about, Jamie? >> That thing of disappearing. It gave me a. flashback to when I broke my arm. They. took me to the hospital and they gave me.

ketamine. >> Oh yeah. >> [ __ ] hell, man. >> Yeah. >> I thought I died. >> I literally I thought I felt myself like. disappear into this thing and I was. like, "Okay, that's it. I'm done.". >> Wow. >> And then. >> was it fun? >> No. >> It was not remotely [ __ ] Was it fun. when you thought you died, Constantine? No, it wasn't. >> Look at that. Look at those two things. >> Look at these two things. >> Right. Right. Right. Right. >> One of them is human brain cells.

What is exactly? What is the image. exactly? It's human neural tissue, right? Is that what it is? >> Well, let's find out what it is so we. could say it and not sound totally. stupid. So, what does it say? >> I can't read that. >> Cells brain cell. Yeah. Yeah. And. >> remarkably similar to our own brain. cells and and the connections. Remarkably similar. That's okay. So, the. left is a brain cell. The right is the. universe. That dude's going to put a gun.

in his mouth and go, "I'm done." And. right now, he's dressed like a furry and. he just pooped his pants. He's like, "I've had enough. >> I've had enough.". >> That's what I love about thinking about. the universe. It's like the illusion of. control. >> Mhm. >> Off. >> Yeah. >> It's like we don't we don't matter. We. don't control [ __ ]. >> Right. And also the outrage that you. have is greatly accelerated by the fact. that light pollution has robbed you from. this perspective. You can't you can't. look up and see the cosmos in all its. glory anymore. So the more we're.

deprived of that, the more ridiculous we. get because we're never just faced with. the awe of the universe. Like they're. like, whoa. When you see a sky that's. just filled with stars. >> There's something about that that's so. humbling and so wild and and so. incredible. >> I've been in a place in Armenia which. had the I think one of the biggest. observatories in the Soviet Union. And. you go up in the mountain, we don't need. any equipment, you basically don't see. the sky, you just see stars. Like the. entire sky is completely lit up by the. stars.

>> That's so nuts. >> Yeah. And when you think about it, when. everybody's on their phones now, what do. you do when you're on your phone? You. look down, >> right? >> It's the absolute complete opposite of. looking up into the stars. >> It really is. So, as a result, you go, "Well, no wonder we're so completely. selfobsessed, narcissistic, solopistic, whatever word you want to use, because. we're completely looking down into. ourselves.". >> Yeah. >> Well, actually, if you look up and you. see that you you become humbled, you. realize of your own insignificance, your.

mortality. >> Yeah. You're not even looking into. yourself. You're really just being. overwhelmed by nonsense. You're getting. these tiny little dopamine hits, >> staring at horseshit. I watched four. videos today of kids playing with baby. goats. I didn't get anything out of. that. It was cute, but you know, but I. could have been doing things. >> instead of just sitting there staring at. it. >> I don't want to be super opposite of. that, but the uh looking down thing is. sort of a thing. A lot of the reflective. pools back in ancient times were used to. monitor stars.

>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, that's them and put. things down in place and see where they. move. >> That way you don't have to hurt your. neck. >> You can figure out the stars. That's. also a crazy thing, right? Because like. how many ancient civilizations use the. stars and use the constellations to. align their buildings, you know? The. Egyptians did it, the Mayans did it. >> Temple of Abu Simbel. >> Yeah. >> Where it was done and they still don't. know how they did it mathematically. So. there was a beam of light coming from. the top at a certain point and it would.

hit the altar. >> Austral is like that. >> Y is on the summer solstice. Everything. lines up. >> Yeah. You know, this is one of the. things we just had the historian Dan uh. Dan Snow, right? >> And we talked about the history of. England and one of the things you were. talking about is Stonehenge and and I. watched a documentary in which he was. saying, well, you know, in many ways the. people were living during this time, they were really like us. And I was. thinking, no, they were [ __ ] not. No, they were [ __ ] not. Think about the. investment of time, resources that it.

would take them to build Stonehenge. Right. And this is not a thing that has. a functional purpose in the way that we. would understand it. >> We would not invest a quarter of our GDP. into building a stone structure that. aligns with the sun. >> And they don't really even know when. they did it, >> right? No, >> they're just guessing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Totally. >> And when you get to you get the weird. stuff like go Beckley where they didn't. even think people were capable of doing. that 11,000 years ago. >> Yeah.

>> And it was purposely covered up 11,000. years ago. and you find these giant. stone columns, you're like, >> "We don't know anything. >> We don't we don't know what these people. were up to." Like, this is kind of. kooky. >> And how they thought I remember, right, >> when when I was on tour with Jordan, um. him and I were talking one night. Um and. I don't know, it was a weird experience. It sounds crazy, but when I was spending. time with him, we were talking a lot. the way I saw things slightly changed. like the images became more like vivid.

in my head. >> And one of the things he was talking. about is the mindset of. uh say like there were certain tribes. that would sacrifice one of their. children for some kind of reason, right? Something like that. And and and when he. he was talking, I suddenly had this. vision of like being there. And he said, "Now think about what. that's like. What do you have to. believe? And how do you have to think to. be willing to sacrifice your own child. for something. >> willingly?

>> Right. >> Willingly. Now think of the bond with. your children. >> Yeah. >> For you to think that that is the right. thing to do, >> you got to be a different human being to. the three of us. >> Yeah. And you got to be first of all. probably real comfortable with death. because back then I bet people died real. easy and real often. >> And also maybe you've got to be really. [ __ ] terrified of something. terrify. and really believe that if you don't do. this like everyone's going to die, you. have to sacrifice one kid or we're all.

doomed. >> Yeah. >> But you know in different like I. remember in Venezuela. I this is quite a depressing story but. in places like South America they are. far more comfortable with death than we. are. Like I remember I met this girl at. this party when I was 18 years old. I. really liked her. There was a little bit. of a vibe going on but I knew she liked. my friends so I didn't do anything. And. I went home back to the UK. I came back. a year later and I said to my friend, "Hey, were you Diana, that girl I was. talking to? What what's she up to now?". And he went, "Well, you didn't know." I.

went, "No." He went, "She was in a car. driving down the motorway. She was. getting chased by some by some dude. She. tried to outrun him, lost control of the. car, hit a wall, the car burst into. flames." I was like, and he went, "Anyway, dude, do you want a beer?". Because when you're in those kind of. cultures and people have died or. kidnapped, it becomes, do you know, you. you simply can't have that visceral. reaction all the time because it. overtakes you. It paralyzes you and you. can't function.

>> Jesus. >> So people in Venezuela will get. kidnapped on the weekend and on the. Monday they're back at work. >> Oh boy. Jesus. >> So I think a lot of it is adaptive, you. know. >> Yeah. Well, people definitely adapt to. all sorts of crazy environments. I mean, you see that all over the world. And the. problem is you'll see people living, you. know, like say villagers in the Congo. do. And you're like, "Oh, that's so. different than me." Like, "No, [ __ ]. You just don't live there. If you live.

there, that would be exactly how you. would live. You would live just like. them because that's all they can do. They have no way out. So, they're stuck. here." And you would be, too, >> especially if you have no access to. other information or other cultural. values or anything. >> Exactly. Exactundo, which is why we need. Mormons to be missionaries so they could. travel places and teach these people. >> That story always I feel bad laughing at. someone being killed, but that story. about the guy who went to that island. >> Yeah, he wasn't a Mormon. He went to. North Sentinel Island. >> North Sentinel Island is particularly. odd because um that place, that area had.

been invaded by this guy. When Jamie. comes back, I'll have him look up the. story. the guy, there was um God, I. forget his name. Um but he was a pervert. and he would go to these islands and. make these guys dress up like Roman. soldiers and he would he would uh write. down in his uh his journal the size of. their testicles. Like this one had. testicles the size of a sparrow's egg. He was a total freak. And uh he also. kidnapped people from that island and.

gave a bunch of people the flu. So he. kidnapped people and gave what the flu. or some some sort of disease and two old. people died and then they returned the. kids back to the island. So they all had. horrific stories about these white. people that would visit and measure your. dicks and give you a flu. >> And so when that kid came and tried to. give them the Bibles, he didn't know the. history. He didn't know that these. people had like a severe. >> rejection of these settle boats. people.

died and then you know they told these. stories around the campfire some guy who. comes and measures your dick and then. everyone dies like these were like this. that was their folklore. So when he. showed up like you know trying to. convert these people like they already. they they weren't hearing it. >> No they were like don't touch my dick. dude. >> Yeah. They're like I know what you're up. to. My I heard the story from my grandpa. campfire. Yeah that place is nuts. It's. only 39 people living there.

>> But you size of Manhattan. >> Really? Yeah. Size of Manhattan, middle. of the Indian Ocean. And the people. living there are the direct descendants. of people who left Africa 50,000 years. ago. >> Some of them just stayed on that island. And then it got to be a very small. genetic diversity, you know. There's. only there's a very small amount of. people on that island. That's where. things get real weird. >> It's like you kind of got to leave them. there now, >> you know? >> Yeah. There's no coming back, is there? >> You get what are you going to do? You. going to teach them how to make stuff? Like what are you going to do? Show them. how to make a boat? This is how you make. a car? It's like, what are you going to.

do? That's their culture. There's, you. know, they're isolated from the entire. world and they have been for giant. chunks of history except for when dudes. came over and measured their dicks. >> Can you imagine that was your only. reference for white people? >> Well, there was another boat that um it. uh. >> the dick me and they invaded the boat. They were going after the people in the. boat and they got out just in time. They. got rescued just in time and that's how. they started getting metal because they. didn't have metal up until then. So they.

were taking pieces of the boat and using. it to fashion weapons with. >> Wow. >> They didn't have any metal up until that. point. >> You know, it was really interesting is. how some things still resonate. Like I. was talking to Constantin about the. Greek myths. >> and how I was really obsessed with them. when I was a kid and when I was teaching. I used to teach Greek myths to my kids. and they would all love it. And I I. remember thinking going, why is it that. these stories which are thousands of. years old resonate with a group of.

11-year-old kids in the 21st century in. East London who are all addicted to. their iPhones. But then you look at it. and you look at, for instance, the story. of Narcissus, the guy who falls in love. with his own reflection in the lake and. drowns in the lake and you go, "Well, that could be about now.". >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I mean? like with. social media, the guy who just becomes. so obsessed, he becomes one with social. media until the point that it. obliterates everything and he loses all. his identity. >> I wonder if that's the origin of it. I.

wonder if this is a repeating cycle. What if the Egyptians had social media? What if the like what if those people. had AI? What if they had everything that. we think they didn't have because. there's nothing left over because it all. got absorbed by the earth and we're just. making assumptions. What if it's a cycle? What if just. people get to a point where they figure. out something amazing and then they [ __ ]. it up and become cave people again and. have to rebuild over and over and over. again? >> That's the difference with AI, isn't it? Because up to up to that point, you go. all technology really does is amplifies.

our natural. >> human nature in every way, right? The. the ancient Egyptians were jealous of. their sister and [ __ ] all of this. [ __ ] right? >> But AI isn't human, >> right? >> And that's that's where I think it gets. interesting. This is the my craziest speculation is. that whenever I'm reading religious. text, I'm always trying to figure out, okay, what was the original story? What. were they documenting? Like what were. they trying to record and passed down?

What really happened? What what really. is the book of Enoch all about? Have you. told that for a thousand years before. anybody bothered writing it down and it. gets translated and who knows what it. means? Who knows what was the event? If Jesus is born of a virgin mother, what is more virgin than a computer? >> If our savior. comes to us. from a virgin mother and it's it's born. out of this technology and it becomes.

some insanely intelligent, benevolent. force in the world. and then the Muslims kill him. to bomb. him. >> or or the Romans or whoever's in charge. Maybe it's the US government this time. >> Yeah, >> maybe we kill him. Maybe it maybe he. just uh disrupts. >> President Kamla's second term. They. decide to nuke Jesus. >> Have you ever been to the Middle East? >> No, I've been to parts. I've been to Abu.

Dhabi and I've been to Dubai. >> What do you think? >> Um, you know, um, Abu Dhabi is very. nice. It was it's it's incredible how. much money they have, right? We did a. UFC down there and it was like wow like. you just like realize like this is kind. of crazy like that was so much money and. Dubai also it's like so much money. everywhere you look Ferraris and. Bentleys and Rolls Roy like kind of. crazy to have I have a friend who lived. in Dubai for quite a while. >> and he's American and uh he was saying.

dude you could leave a Rolex on the. street and people would turn it in. >> Yeah. >> I'm like really? He was like yeah no one. steals anything. There's no crime, but yeah, you have to, you know, you're. run by a king. >> Yeah. But it's interesting with with. some of the Gulf countries now, they're. so they're moving forward at such a. rapid rate culturally as well. You know, I have I have a friend in Saudi who's a. woman. She's like super excited about. the way things are going, you know? >> Right. And this is the difference. between Muslims and Islamists. What you. were talking about, correct?

>> Well, right. the so if you talk to. Emirati for example right there's nobody. they hate more than the Muslim. Brotherhood the Muslim Brotherhood is. like the the central tumor and Hamas. ISIS and whatever they're like little. metast metastatic tumors basically um. and the Muslim Brotherhood is a threat. to them way more than it is even to us. in the west because they you know I'm. sure you've heard after a terrorist. attack everyone's like well actually. Muslims are the biggest victims of.

terrorist vi Islamist terrorism is true. because what's happening in the Middle. East is there's effectively a war. between the people who want to live in a. nation state. They want to live in Saudi. Arabia, UAE, etc. Bahrain, whatever, and. the people who want that to be one. religious caliphate. with Sharia law. That's what's. happening. That's the battle. >> U so those Muslim countries, they. understand Islamist extremism way better. than we do. Have you ever seen that. video of the UAE foreign minister? He.

was talking in the maybe 2010s, maybe. like 2012, something like that, maybe. even earlier. And he basically predicts, he says, "You in Europe don't understand. what you're dealing with. And because of. your [ __ ] because of your political. correctness, you are going to have. terrorism and violence on your street.". He predicted all of it because they. understand Islamist terrorism way better. than we do. That's why, you know, people, you know, the Arab street is a.

different thing, but the people who are. in power in those countries, they hate. Hamas more than anyone. >> They hate they they hate Hamas more than. anybody because they just go, these are. the people that want to kill us, too. >> And I think part of the problem as well. is that we have we have liberalism in. our country. >> So, we're saying, you know, it's a. marketplace of ideas. We need to talk. We need to share. But what what happens. is then you've got an Islamic. fundamentalist. preaching converting people to Islamism.

and you go our way of combating this. simply isn't adequate. It isn't adequate. to deal with this civilizational threat. which is what it is. >> And if you come from an Islamic. background you understand it far more. because you are from a cult you're from. a similar culture. So you see what what. effectively what this is which is like a. cancerous version of Islam. >> and so you're better able to understand. it and by being better able to. understand it you're far more able to.

tackle that problem. >> One of the things that I find. interesting about people that are very. upset about the um Gaza conflict is that. they don't have anything to say about. the Hamas executions that have been. going on lately. >> Right. >> The public executions. You need the. lighter. >> Yeah. Those public executions are. [ __ ] horrific, man. It's It's wild to. watch, you know. And I unfortunately. have been sent some of the torture. videos, too. They're breaking people's. bones. >> Yeah.

>> And I don't know if they think these are. guys that collaborated with Israel. Is. that what the. >> It's more of a power struggle. Yeah. Like they want to reassert their. authority. I mean, if you if you think. back to the the Trump 21 point peace. plan, the central point Here you go, Joe. I'm gonna get this one to work. Hang on. I'm stubborn. This No, I'm I want this. >> I'm going to work. >> I just don't know why it's not working. But go ahead. >> Um, so the original Trump 21 point peace. plan, the central premise of that was.

did Hamas disarm and Hamas people leave. Gaza. >> Right. >> Right. And until you have that, you're. not going to have peace because this is. what these people do. >> Right. The moment the fighting stops, they come out, they reassert the. authority, they kill anyone who's not. with them and they, you know, they're. going to attack Israelis. Israelis are. going to attack back and and then we're. back to where we started. The amazing. thing President Trump has been able to. achieve is getting the hostages out. That's [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> He deserves so much credit for that.

>> Boy, imagine what those [ __ ] people. have been through. >> Oh man. >> I mean, I don't know if there's enough. MDA in the world to help you get over. that. >> Two years. Imagine two years of living. with those. I mean, what did they do to. them? >> And they were being told a bunch of [ __ ]. as well. >> I'm sure. >> like Israel has been destroyed. Your. family's disowned. You like mental. torture as well. >> I'm sure. I'm sure. >> Yeah. >> Every day you wake up, you look at this. guy and you're like, "This guy would.

kill me in an instant." And not only. would he feel, it's not that he would. feel nothing, he would celebrate it. Yeah, >> there's that horrific um footage from. October 7th where it was a Hamas. terrorist killed 10 people. The first. thing he did after slaughtering 10. people is he called his dad and was. like, "Dad, look what this is what I've. done." And his dad was celebrating and. then he went, "Put mom on the phone.". >> And then mom was on the phone and mom.

was celebrating. and you go I we I think. part of the problem when we talk about. this conflict is again it goes back we. just don't understand that way of. viewing the world. It's so utterly alien. to us because we haven't been. indoctrinated into that mindset. >> We were all talking about um. >> Israel and what the way Israel feels. about Palestine in the green room the. other day and we were like just imagine. if you lived in Israel and you're a Jew. and everybody else hates you. all the.

people around you hate you. Like, do you. know how tense that must be? >> How insane that relationship must be? And I'm not excusing anything they've. done. >> But the idea that they would behave the. way we behave is kind of ludicrous. >> Correct. >> It's kind of ludicrous. >> We would behave the way they behave. >> If they did that to us, we would do if. we lived in that environment. If Canada. and Mexico were both like wanted us. dead, you know, if that's if that was if.

that was their goal ultimately, if their. stated religious goal was the death of. the United States, we would be crazy. We. would be invading Canada every week. We'd be [ __ ] Canada up all the time. We wouldn't want them to have weapons. We wouldn't want them to have. government. We wouldn't want them to. have anything. >> And we wouldn't be talking about a. ceasefire. We'd be talking about dealing. with the threat. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. We would talk about I mean look. all we did was differ with them. economically and Trump tried to turn him. into a state.

>> He said I called him Governor Trudeau. first. I was just joking then a lot of. people told me it was a good idea. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think that single-handedly. ruined Canada. >> Yeah. >> That idea. I mean that's the the. Republican party or their version of the. the Conservative party. They were on the. way out. They were [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> And all a sudden the whole country. united because Trump's trying to turn. him into a state. Yeah, Polyv has got to. be angry about that [ __ ] man. >> He used to be so mad. He was logical and. reasonable and everybody's like, "Let's.

try that for a while." Do. >> you know what? That was the ultimate. [ __ ] block. >> Yeah, right. >> Do you know what I mean? You're in the. bar. It's about to happen with the girl. >> It's going down. >> It's going down. You're like, "I'm so. back.". >> Yeah. I'm so going to get laid. Trump. pops up, whispers something in her ear, and all of a sudden, it's [ __ ] over. >> You know he's gay. He's definitely gay. Don't kiss a guy. you can trust him. >> But coming back to your point about. people not talking about the Hamas. executions, I one thing I also noticed. is a lot of people weren't didn't seem.

to be happy there was a ceasefire. The. very ones that had been calling for one. >> Well, they didn't want Trump to do it. That's why they didn't want Trump to get. credit for anything. So if there's a. ceasefire, like no one's given him any. credit for all the other conflicts that. he stopped as well. You know, there's. been a bunch in Africa and just people. that have been feuding for decades and. he's put a stop to that. Now whether or. not it sticks, that's another thing. The. Israel one didn't stick. Didn't stick. very long. I mean, what happened? So, someone blew over, they drove over uh.

undis unexloded munitions and then they. thought it was an attack by Hamas and. then they started bombing again. Right. >> What I read is there was an RPG fired at. a Israeli vehicle. But you might have a. you might. >> that was I think that was the initial. story. That's what they thought. changed. Yes. I think they thought. someone that these Israeli the IDF. soldiers drove over this unexloded. munitions. >> and they saw some dude and they were. like he did it. >> I think someone blamed someone else for.

it. I think there was confusion or. something along those lines. See if you. can find what that story is. >> I don't know what the exact story was, but they saw a bombing again and they. killed a bunch of people. >> And there's also a lot of mistrust. Like, you know, I was saying the Arab. nations in the region, they hate Hamas. They also don't trust Netanyahu. That's. also a fact. They don't trust Netanyahu. >> Um, and you know, Netanyahu, I mean, you talk about what Israelis feel like. Think about what it's like. It's the.

first question I asked him. What is it. like to be a leader of a country that is. attacked in the way that you were on. October the 7th? Imagine the trauma that. leaves. And you're responsible, >> right? >> You're responsible for 10 million people. and this happens. Did you ask him why it took so long for. them to respond? >> Uh, no. Uh, I we didn't ask him that. No, >> it was quite a few hours though. >> It was a few hours. My understanding. from people, we had the former director. of Mossad and we asked him about that.

and he just I mean there are a lot of. people who are very critical of the the. the Israeli um top brass of the way it. went down. I think there was a lot of. confusion from what I understand like. contradictory orders being given. People. didn't really know what was going on. Uh. that's basically what I heard. >> Was there a standown order? >> I don't know. >> No. >> From we've also spoken to other military. experts who actually say look it doesn't. look good. But one of the things is it's. very difficult to mobilize forces.

instantaneously. >> Yeah. >> And soldiers instantaneously organize. get them out even under emergency. >> Right. But wouldn't you think in Israel, which is one of the most sophisticated. security states in the world, that they. would be ready for something like that a. lot quicker than any other country. because they're constantly under attack. >> You think they would have a fence that. was permanently monitored and they they. [ __ ] up. They clearly [ __ ] up very. badly. >> It's crazy if you look at their fence. versus Egypt's fence. >> Yeah, >> the Egypt fence is wild. Like people. don't like to talk about that. That.

one's wild. >> Yeah. Well, this is one of the reasons. that a lot of the other countries in the. region, you know, they they don't they. don't support Israel killing. Palestinians obviously, but they're also. not they just take say you're Jordanian, right? >> Right. >> A lot of the population in Jordan is. Palestinian. And what happened when they had a large. population of Palestinian? They killed a. [ __ ] king. >> Right. So, this is the difficulty of it. like this is a highly radicalized.

population, >> right? >> Um and you know it's that's why it's. such a difficult conflict to resolve and. like you say the Israelis are on edge. cuz they have to be. They're surrounded. by people who've invaded their country. repeatedly. >> Yeah. Like what is the best case. scenario for how this all ends? That's. what the problem is. Everybody who. prognosticates, everybody who like looks. at the future, no one has a a version of this where. it's like, "Oh, it worked out great.". >> Yeah. Well, Jared Kushner, I think he's. a he's clearly a genius. I mean,

orchestrating the Abraham Accords in the. first Trump term, he's involved in it. now. And his thing, as I understand it, is basically this. The Middle East has a. very different demographic to most. Western countries. A [ __ ] ton of young. people, very, very young people. And. they the the leaders of those countries. know that they've got two choices. either they create jobs, meaning. purpose, economic prosperity, or all these young men are going to go. the wrong direction. >> So, they're desperately trying to create.

thriving economies so that their youth. don't feel the need to fight their. grandfather's war. >> Got it. And as I understand it, the. Kushner approach has been what you do is. you find a way to address the fighting. so it's not happening and then you just. lock the entire region into economic. cooperation because the UEE wants to. trade with Israel. The Saudis want to. trade with Israel. And the other reason. is they have a common enemy which is. Iran. >> All the other countries, particularly.

the Gulf countries, they fear Iran a lot. more than they fear Israel. A lot more. than they care about Israel. Iran is. their number one problem. It's a threat. to them. Uh and so if you can get the. entire Middle East, other than Iran, maybe Qatar, I don't know, together. working together, they don't then have. the incentive to continue this conflict. because they're trading. They've got way. more to lose by this continuing. >> So that's the end goal. The difficulty. is as long as Hamas is in power, they.

are I mean they did October 7th to. prevent that from happening. Basically, they wanted to derail the long-term. aspiration for peace. >> and Iran wanted them to do that cuz Iran. doesn't want those countries to work. together. >> And didn't it happen right after Biden. had released like $6 billion to Iran, >> right? Yeah. Right. >> Now they've got funding, >> right? >> Yeah. And Yeah. And Iran funds. >> What a great idea. >> Well, and and Iran funds all of these. organizations, all these Hezbollah,

Hamas. So Iran is essentially their plan. is destabilization of the region. >> And then if you go to the history of. Iran, you find out that they got [ __ ]. by what was it the the British oil. company. What oil company was it? >> Where they wanted to nationalize their. oil because they they realized they were. getting [ __ ] And so the king is like. uh hey. >> uh no this is our oil. And uh and all of. a sudden the United States comes along. and Britain comes along. They go, "Let's.

kick this [ __ ] guy out of here and. install some sort of a religious. caliphate and let's get the party. rolling." And they [ __ ] the entire. country up. >> Like, if you see Iran from like the the. 1960s, women are wearing miniskirts and. everybody looks like they're having a. good time. It looks like a like a normal. European city, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And then the crazies come in and you've. got this, you know, seventh century [ __ ]. going on. >> Oil companies. >> Yeah. >> They they don't give a [ __ ] They're. just trying to make that loot. M. >> And if they can make that loot and ruin.

a country, they're like, "Okay.". >> Yeah. >> Who cares? >> Yeah. But I hope that they've maybe they. haven't, but you just look at the misery. and the bloodshed. >> Like they feel bad. >> No, I hope they feel bad. >> I hope the Ayatollah just wakes up one. day and goes, "Ah, I've been a bad guy.". >> Did you see Did you see one of the. Iranian leaders the wedding? >> No. >> Did you see the wedding? >> No. So this has created a huge storm in. Iran because obviously they have the.

morality police where people where men. literally go around and look at women. and go right you need to have your hair. covered. You need to have the your skirt. needs to be down here and if not we're. going to arrest you. We're going to beat. you up. We're going to do all of these. things. >> Let me guess his daughter was wearing a. beautiful white dress for the. >> mate. She had the mouth. >> She look at that. >> You can go to jail for that. >> That does not look very halal to me, >> mate. It does to me. >> She's hot though. >> Yeah. [ __ ] hell. Iranian women are. beused. Oh yeah, they're incredible. >> That's what's even more [ __ ] You got. a great gene pool over there. It's being.

stifled. >> But the Persians are a great. civilization. If you look at the. history, they're incredible people. >> Incredible wrestlers, too. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Long history of of elite wrestlers come. out of Iran. >> Yeah. >> It's crazy, man. >> Yeah. So, that's the hope. That's the. hope is economic development, right? >> And if you can get people trading and. that's the idea. >> Well, bring people out of desperation, you stop crime everywhere. I mean, we. should have done that in the United. States a long ass time ago. We. definitely should have figured out how. to do that with Mexico, >> you know, but we're a bunch of haters.

We don't want them doing well over. there. We don't want to compete with. Mexico economically. [ __ ] that. >> You know, we had he he was a guest on. your show actually, Yoan Gill. Yeah. >> And we and I never realized this, but. Yan was like, you know, there's a trade. going on between Mexico and the United. States. I was like, what do you mean? He. was like, "Well, >> drugs come over one way and the. Americans give the guns come over the. other way.". >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I had Mariana Benzeller on from. Traffic and she actually followed the. what how the LAPD, the corrupt cops from.

the LAPD, confiscate guns, sell guns to. the gang members. The gang members then. take those guns and drive into Mexico. with them because you can get into. Mexico easy. They don't care. Come on. in. Right. >> But leaving Mexico where it's get hard. So they sell the guns, drive back over, empty trunk, everybody's happy. >> Do you think you boys are going to start. some [ __ ] with Venezuela? >> I hope not. It seems like. >> it looks like it's going in that. direction. >> Blowing up them boats. Soon after the. explosion, Rafa Toba's cure familiar.

The White House and Pentagon knew the. incident was caused by an Israeli. settler bulldozer running over unexloded. ordinance. Contradicting Netanyahu's. claim that Hamas had popped up from. tunnels. This is Ryan Grim, who's a. journalist. Uh after Netanyahu said he. was blocking all aid from entering Gaza. in response and unleashed a bombing. campaign, the administration conveyed to. Israel that they know what happened. Netanyahu then announced he would reopen. the crossings in a few hours, >> right?

>> [ __ ] man. >> Yeah. >> So, this is what happens in a war, right? Everyone's [ __ ] on edge. Something blows up. >> Yeah. >> They think we we're under attack and it. all starts again. The worst suspicions. are that Netanyahu wants this war to. continue because that's how he stays in. power. >> because of the corruption stuff, right? >> And that's what Clinton said openly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's that's gets real [ __ ]. scary. >> Yeah. Do you think that's true? >> I don't know, man. I don't know enough. about geopolitics. I don't I certainly. don't know enough about this conflict, but you know, I know that there's a lot.

of people that are suspicious of it, which is why a lot of people are. suspicious about why it took so long to. answer with October 7th. >> Oh, is that that's why you were asking? No, I I want to know why it took so long. if you asked him because it does seem. like a long time. Yeah. You know, I'm. I'm not accusing anybody of anything, but a lot of people are. You know, it's. a that's a a thing that people bring up. on the internet all the time, like why. did it take so long for them to respond? Was this a known thing that was going to. happen? They allowed it to happen. So. now they have a reason where Netanyahu. stays in power, a war gets, you know,

>> I find that hard to imagine. >> It's it's a horrific notion. If it is. true, it's absolutely horrific. Yeah, >> it's horrific that we could even. consider that a human being who's. running a country would allow their. citizens to die. And I'm not saying they. did, but we do know that people have. done that in the past. You know, false. flags are that is a legitimate strategy. to for an unwilling populace to be. entertained into going to war. I mean, that's what they were trying to do with. Operation Northwoods. Operation. Northwoods, which was signed by the. Joint Chiefs of Staff. They were trying.

to get people to support a war with. Cuba. And so what they did was they were. gonna they were going to blow up uh a. drone jetliner, blame it on the Cubans. They were going to arm Cuban friendlies. and and [ __ ] up Guantanamo Bay, and they. were going to say, "Okay, this is it. Q. is attacked. We have to attack back.". And then next thing you know, we're at. war with Cuba. And that was signed by. the Joint Chiefs of Staff. That was a. full-on plan that was vetoed by Kennedy, >> right? >> Wow. >> Yeah. Which is So we know that. We also. know that Gulf of Tonkan incident in.

Vietnam, false flag. So, we know that. they've people have done stuff before. where they either either have allowed. something to happen like Pearl Harbor or. they have just, you know, they've just. capitalized on it. You just have to. figure out which one is which, >> right? I mean, World War II started with. a false flag. You know this, right? Yeah. >> The Glidewitz incident. >> Which one was that? So they basically in. order to justify the invasion of Poland, Hitler pretended that Polish soldiers. had crossed the border and killed people.

in Germany. >> Ah, >> and that was their pretense for. attacking. >> Well, he also burned the rice tag, too, right? Didn't he blame other people on. that? >> Yeah, I don't know that I know that for. a fact. I I'm maybe just not educated. enough about that one. But the Glowitz. incident, they basically set it up so. that it looked like the Poles had. invaded. >> Didn't Nero do that, too? Didn't he burn. Rome and blame other people for that as. well? >> Uh that I don't know. The the the the. story is that he fiddled while whilst. Rome burned. >> Did uh use perplexity to find out if uh.

Nero did that. Did he use Did he burn. part of Rome? >> Might as well do the Reich strike as. well because I want to know. >> Yeah, let's do that as well because I. think that's just a common tactic for. [ __ ]. >> Yeah, someone's an [ __ ] in control of. a government. But I think letting a. 4,000 jihadis invade your country and. rape and slaughter and butcher people, that to me is beyond the realm of. imagination. >> Of course, as is 911, but there's a lot. of kooky people that believe that that.

was allowed to happen as well. >> Do you know for the longest time I. thought that trade center 7 that was. like a big question mark, but my friend. Winston Marshall, uh, he sent me a video. that like explains it very well. For the. I hadn't seen a good explanation of it, but it it kind of it made a lot of sense. to me. Well, it doesn't happen all at. once. That's one common misconception. You can watch the video, the top. collapses inside the building like a. couple minutes before it all goes. >> That's right. That's right. >> Yeah. And I think I would want my.

[ __ ] money back from built that. thing. That's for sure. I'd be like, "Bro, >> yeah, >> you guys cut some [ __ ] corners or. something." Whatever your your plan had. that you had to keep this thing stable. >> Nero's role in the myth. Contrary to. popular myth, there's no credible. evidence that Nero started the fire. >> We go. >> He was in the Antium when it broke out. and returned to coordinate emergency. measures such as opening public spaces. for refugees and importing food. The. image of Nero fiddling while Rome burns. is a later invention. The fiddle did not.

exist at the time. Of course, fiddled. doesn't mean like a fiddle. This is like. AI being literal. >> Yeah. >> Means fiddle around. And while like. fiddle spinners, you [ __ ] And while. some sources claim he sang about the. fall of Troy during the five, this. account is disputed and likely part of. political smear campaign. Who the [ __ ]. knows? You're dealing with too many. years ago with this kind of [ __ ] But. either way, false flags are a real. thing. >> Sure. >> And that's why people get real. suspicious. >> But a lot of the Sorry, go ahead. >> No, I was thinking but is there not a.

part of you that just goes eventually. the truth comes out. You know what I. mean? Eventually. Well, >> especially in in a country as small as. Israel, which is tiny. >> Well, look at JFK. >> I mean, that's the truth has not come. out about that. We're all like still. trying to figure that out. >> And there they were talking in this. election like this is going to be a. thing. We're going to release the JFK. files. Oh, great. We're finally going to. know. >> nothing. There's nothing. There's. >> So, why do you think that is? Why is. that not been is that is it because.

there's nothing there and what we're. told is what happened is what happened. Trump's own words where if they showed. you what they showed me, you wouldn't. release it either. >> Wow. >> What the [ __ ] does that mean? >> I probably means the government. assassinated Kennedy. >> Kennedy was the government. >> Well, I mean, the CIA, I mean, the deep. state or whatever it was at the time, whoever it was. I mean, there's my. friend Evan Hayer from Black Rifle. Coffee. He has a theory of his own about. um Kennedy pulling uh out air support.

from Bay of Pigs and that without air. support that operation could never be. effective and a bunch of people are. going to die that shouldn't have died. And a bunch of those guys that were on. that beach, lost brothers, and they were. hardcore like serious soldiers. And you. get those guys to kill Kennedy. >> That's interesting. >> As revenge, >> cuz it was a very coordinated event if. if it went the way the, you know, Oliver. Stones of the world think it went, which. I think I tend to think he's like. >> pretty accurate. I think he's I think he.

knows what happened roughly. And there's. multiple people shooting at the same. time. And this should never be allowed. to be a path where you're on a. convertible with a [ __ ] president. There's bushes and people can hide. behind the bushes. You don't you don't. have it sused out. You didn't like you. didn't scan the bushes and make sure. there's nobody with a rifle there. Like. the whole thing's nuts. You would never. set it up that way if you were the. Secret Service. >> Well, see, the obvious counterargument. to that in my head, I'm just playing the. argument out with you. I I don't know. anything is what happened to Trump,

>> right? Okay. Well, that's not a. counterargument because um the Trump. thing is easily the same story if that. kid's a better shot. That kid's a better. shot. You have a dead president and you. have uh Paty maybe, who knows? You have. some kid who was in a Black Rockck. commercial two years prior who uh. somehow or another uh has uh a. professionally scrubbed apartment. So, they find his apartment. It doesn't have. any silverware in it. after he's dead. They cremate him within days. There's no.

toxicology report, no autopsy. >> There's there's no information on the. kid. He has no social media. What. [ __ ] kids have no social media? He. has three different phones. Why does he. have three different phones? Why is. there metadata from a phone outside of. DC? Uh outside of where the FBI offices. traveling back and forth to this kid. multiple times? Why is he training, you. know, in uh like this these very.

technical uh gun ranges where people are. doing like tactical training and stuff. like that? Like what is this guy doing? Like. >> who's who's getting him to do this? Why. is he doing this? You think he really. has knowledge that this thing is going. to go down in Butler? Why are they. allowing this guy to walk around the. grounds with a rangefinder 30 minutes. before the event? Why is he he's seen? How does he get on the roof? How do they. not have someone on the roof? How do. they not like there's a lot of weirdness. to it. Why is it the first one of those. things that they're televising live on.

CNN? There's a lot of weird ones. >> So, yeah, it's not a counter argument. In fact, it backs up the point. >> Yeah. Not only does it back up the point. like the kid just sucked. He missed. You. know, I don't know what kind of a sight. he had on his rifle at the very He might. have had a red dot, but he he definitely. didn't have like a good long range. scope. It looks like from the the the. video or the images of the rifle that. I've seen laying on the uh rooftop. If. he had a really good scope and he was a. good shot, that's an easy shot. It's. only 150 yards, I think, from that roof,

which is also preposterous that you. would allow a person to climb onto a. roof within 150 yards of a guy who's a. very controversial figure who's running. for president. >> It's nuts. The whole thing's nuts. You. know, we interviewed a guy called. Michael Francis who's a former former. head of one of the big crime families. >> I feel like it was head. >> of was he not head or he was a very. senior. >> He was a big guy. >> Yeah. Big guy. And he said when it came. to JFK, he said at the time in the mob.

there was a joke where they would say, "Oh, we shot the wrong Kennedy." And he. said that it was mob related. >> Yeah, >> it could have been. >> Yeah, >> it could have been. I mean, it could. have been multiple different shooters. from multiple different organizations. >> Um, I don't think Lee Harvey Oswald was. innocent. You know, people like Lee. Harvey Oswald acted alone. Like, that. doesn't have to be the case. He might. have actually even shot at Kennedy. He. might have been one of the guys who shot. at Kennedy. I think they had him set up.

to be the guy that takes the blame. Whether or not he actually pulled the. trigger, he might have. I'm not opposed. to the idea that he might have. What I. am opposed to the ideas of a one single. shooter causing all that damage because. it's illogical. It's not just illogical. It was created because they had to. account for a bullet that hit the. underpass. So a bullet ricocheted off. one of the curbstones on the underpass. and [ __ ] this guy up. And so they. found the curb that had been chipped. This guy got wounded. He got hit with a. ricochet. Went he got treated in the. hospital. So they know that was one.

bullet. >> So now they have to two bullets. One is. a head shot and one goes through. Kennedy's body and into Conny's body. The problem with that is Kennedy reacts. to a gunshot before Connelly ever does. because Connelly wasn't hit. Connelly. was hit afterwards. Connelly was hit. after Kennedy was shot in the neck and. then he was shot in the back and then he. was shot in the head. Kennedy was shot. multiple times. The the one in the neck, he grabs his neck in the beginning of. the video. There's a different there's. two different depictions of what that.

is. There's the Dallas hospital where. they take him right after the shooting. where they say it's an entry wound. And. then in Bethesda, Maryland, they they. say it's a tracheotomy wound. Like they. they traded him, which is preposterous. He's no head. His head's missing. You. you put a a tra pipe on a guy that does. is half his [ __ ] head's missing and. he's dead as [ __ ] No, you didn't. >> No, it's a [ __ ] entry wound. You see. him grab his neck. He got shot in the. neck. >> and it looks to me like his head was. shot at the very least one time from the.

front at the very least one time. But it. might have been his head might have got. hit by two bullets at the same time. I. mean there's people shooting at him. I. think there was multiple people shooting. him from different directions and he. does have a wound in his back. He has an. entry wound in his back. So someone. probably shot him in the back too. It. might have been Oswald. Oswald might. have shot him in the back. But I think. the back and to the left and the people. that all called out that said that there. was people firing behind them in the. grassy null. I bet that's correct. >> I the whole way that they d Have you.

ever been to De Plaza? >> No. >> It's small. It's real weird. And it's a. there's a turn. Like you have to make. this turn. Like if you were a sniper, you couldn't ask for a better place to. set up because this guy is going 30. miles an hour around this stupid little. turn and coming straight at you and. you're just sitting there in the bushes. You could peck him off. You could peck. him. The people that say that he. couldn't shoot him from the window sill, it's too hard of a shot. He wasn't a. good marksman. Shut the [ __ ] up. Anybody. could do that. I could show you how to. do that. And you could do that in my I. talked to my friend Andy Stump. I was. talking about it on the podcast. I said,

"Give Andy a day." And he goes, "Fuck a. day." He goes, "Give me a couple hours. I could teach you how to do that. It's. not that hard.". >> Like with with a good rifle. >> What about this JD Tippet? >> Yeah. It seems like um Lee Harvey Oswald. killed this cop. So it seems like when. Lee Harvey Oswald was taking off, he had. an altercation with his cop and he shot. the cop. >> four times. >> Yeah. Well, I that's why I think I don't. think Lee Harvey Oswald was innocent. I. think he was in on it, but I think he. was the setup. He was the pathy and they. were going to have him go down for it.

Whether or not he actually killed. Kennedy, he he might have. Look, if he. shot him in the back, if that one shot. from the back was was Lee Harvey Oswald, maybe that would have killed Kennedy. Maybe that was the one that killed him. or would have killed him before the head. shot, but he was hit multiple times. >> Do you know what? When you read about. Kennedy and then you saw the, you know, the attempted assassination of Trump, it. makes you realize just how fragile. societies are. Like how different. would our world be if for instance. Kennedy survived and or Trump hadn't and.

vice versa. You know, do you know what I. mean? >> Oh yeah. >> Do you know like I remember someone. asked me that question. It was like what. do you think would have happened? Yeah. >> If if the bullet had been in the Trump's. case in further towards the right, whatever it was, you know, how different. would our society be right now? >> Very, very different. Very different. >> Would it be the beginning of a civil. war? >> Who knows? It could have everything. could have popped off and on top of. that, who would be president, right? Would they suspend the presidential.

elections and allow the Republicans to. come up with a new viable candidate? Would JD Vance run for president? How. would they do it? What would they Who. would be the representative of the. Republicans? Would they suspend the. election entirely? Would, you know, they. do something where Kamla just gets sworn. in by the then President Biden? Who. knows? I don't know. >> This is why I think political. polarization of the kind we've seen is. so scary because I mean the thing that. really struck me when Charlie was. assassinated was this was always. possible.

>> Yeah. >> And all the only reason it wasn't. happening is we kind of had a culture of. like we don't do this basically, right? because anyone can pick up a rifle in. this country. Um, and that's why I. really worry about the fact that people. think political violence is justified. >> Not just justified, but celebrated. >> Yeah, >> that was the creepy part. The creepy. part was the celebration. The people. that were celebrating. Some lady. recently just lost her job because. people were driving by. She was doing a. no kings protest and she started mocking. getting shot in the neck and she was a.

school teacher. Yeah. Elementary school teacher. Yeah. [ __ ] crazy people. There's a lot of. crazy people out there and some of the I. mean people are, you know, they're. they're correct in worrying about the. impact that these people have on their. children. You're correct. >> Correct. >> You have a lot of crazy people that are. teaching your kids. >> I know so many people now who are. homeschooling and to be honest, it's. something I'm thinking about. >> It's not a bad idea. I mean, the problem. socially is like kids need to hang out. together, you know? It's really.

important. >> I worry about that, too. >> Yeah. But I mean, I think you could. probably replace that with sports and. good friends. And especially if you. lived in a community where multiple. people were homeschooling. >> Yeah. >> But then you know people get weirded out. about homeschooling because they think. it's going to oh that leads to religious. radicals. >> You know. >> you don't have to be religious to people. in this country. People connected to. religious Christians like radical. Christianity. >> I just don't want some 25-year-old with. blue hair teaching my son that communism. is brilliant. >> Exactly. >> Can can I not have that? And the weird. one is people that have no desire to.

have children of their own, you know, and they want to indoctrinate people's. kids into their way of thinking. It's. like a part of why they teach, you know, >> it's because there So, this is I I was. we were having this conversation. yesterday. I said to Constantin, the. great thing about an ideology is it. gives you certainty. >> The terrible thing about an ideology is. >> it gives you certainty. >> That is so true. And it's also the. appealing thing about it. Oh yeah. >> You know, I've always been attracted to.

the idea that these people like really. believe like it's fascinating when I. watch like super religious people that. are praying five times a day and I'm. like like that is amazing. Like look how. dedicated they are to that thing. Like. there's an attractiveness to that. Like. God, I wish I was like if I was that. dedicated to something I'd probably be. like way more stable in my life. Yeah. You know, because you're just locked in. and everybody believes and you know, you. see people talking about the religion. with utmost certainty. Like, I wish I. was that certain.

>> Wish I was that certain. Those guys are. so certain they're willing to die. Like. >> it also it also gives you like a lot of. inner peace. It does like. >> if you don't have that, which I don't. And I I've got a friend who's who's a. devout Muslim and he's. >> and he's going through tough times at. the moment and I say to him like, "H how. do you get through this?" and he's like, "Bro, I've got my religion. I've got God. and I know everything's going to be. okay." He's a great guy. And he goes, "I. pray five times a day. It really helps. me." And it makes me realize and.

understand that what I'm going through. is part of his plan. It's part of his. plan. >> Yeah. If you really do believe that, it. definitely will help you. >> I haven't got there, but I have started. going to church every now and again. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do you enjoy it? >> I love it. >> Yeah. >> It's a b I do, too. It's a bunch of. people that are going to try to make. their lives better. They're trying to be. a better person and they're trying to I. mean for me at least the place that I go. to they you know they read and um. analyze passages in the Bible. I'm.

really interested in what these people. were trying to say because I don't think. it's nothing. There's a lot of like. atheists and and secular people that. just like to dismiss Christianity as. being foolish. You know, it's just fairy. tales. I hear that amongst, you know, self-professed intelligent people like. it's it's a fairy tale. like. I don't know if that's true. Um I I. think I think there's more to it. I. think it's history, but I think it's a. confusing history. It's a confusing. history because it was a long time ago.

And it's people telling things in an. oral tradition, then writing things down. in a language that you don't understand, in the context of a culture that you. don't understand. And I think there's. something to what they're saying. I. think there's a reason why they all have. a flood myth. M. >> I think there's a reason they all have a. very similar story of catastrophic. floods and chaos. And then that jives. with what geologists are finding and. what these people are finding that are. exploring the younger dryest impact.

theory that there was there was floods, massive enormous amounts of water that. are instantaneously released from. melting ice caps all over the world. because of comet impacts. Like it. happened. >> There's ev there's physical evidence of. this happening. And I think that's what. they're trying to say in these stories. I just think it's so confusing. It's so. confusing because you're dealing with a. time so long ago you you bar. We talk.

about how different people live today on. Earth, but way more similar. >> today than we would be reacting or. interacting with a society that existed. 6,000 years ago. Like what what are we. even talking about? Like what is that. like? What is the world like? Then what. is what is discourse like? Like what is. what rules are there? What what. protections do you have against being. robbed and stolen from? And how often is.

war? >> How you know what is life like back. then? It's [ __ ] nuts. And so you're. writing things down on animal skins. frantically and hiding them in clay clay. jars and kuman and like I hope somebody. finds this someday. And then thousands. of years later, someone does. They find. these ancient [ __ ] scrolls and they. pull them out and they're they're. versions of stories from the Bible. So. these people have been telling these. same stories for thousands of years. Like, well, okay, what were they trying. to say? That's what's interesting to me.

I don't think it's nothing. >> No, no. >> I think there's something to it. And. there's a reason why it resonates with. people. And Christianity in particular. is the most fascinating to me because. there's this one person that everybody. agrees existed that somehow or another. had the best plan for how human beings. should interact with each other and. behave and was the best example of it. and even died in a nonviolent way like. didn't even protest died on the cross.

supposedly for our sins. Like it's a. fascinating story. >> What does it represent though? That's. the real thing. What was that? Like what. happened? Who was Jesus Christ if it was. a human being? What was that? That's. wild. >> Well, Jordan's idea is, as I understand. it, is that the point of the of the. story, if you like, is it's about. voluntary self-sacrifice. It's about the. fact that to have a good society, people. have to be willing to sacrifice. something of themselves.

>> for others. And that's what what Jesus. is and that story is supposed to inspire. in all of us. >> Well, but it's a historical human being, too, though. >> Yeah. >> It's a historically documented human. being. That's where it gets weird cuz. there's a there's a universal depiction. of what this human being was like. That. doesn't seem to vary that much between. all the people that knew him. That gets. weird. >> You know, you in if you go to Jerusalem, you can go to the Garden of the. Gethsemane. And for those people who. don't know, that's where Jesus was.

arrested by the Roman soldiers. It still. exists. You can go there 2,000 years. later. >> Wow. >> And you just literally walk around this. place. You're just like, my god. Like. the connection to those stories, it's. just it's right there. And also, I think. what the the the lessons that you learn. from going to church are incredibly. profound. Something as simple. So, I was. raised Catholic as you know, they'd say, "Peace be upon you towards the end. Let's show each other a sign of peace.". Yeah.

>> You don't know this person. You may have. never met them, but you shake hands with. the person behind, in front, and. whatever else. >> What an incredibly profound gesture that. is. >> Just to shake hands with someone. >> And all your anger and all your. resentment and everything you feel which. is natural and jealousy and you go and. but you make a literal physical. connection with another human being. >> That is so powerful. >> Yeah. And if you don't have something to. believe in, you don't there's not a. thing that you follow that you believe.

is making you be a better version of. yourself, be a better person. If you're. just relying on your whims and your, you. know, whatever you think is the moral. thing to do, you know, then you know. what you get? You get those people that. are unable to answer the question of. whether or not you should protect an. unborn fetus or whether or not they have. human rights. >> No, no, no. They don't. And they just. they just like that's what you get. That's what you get when you have no.

religion. >> Yeah. >> If you have religion, you go, "Wow, that's a good question. >> It's a very good question." And it it's. it's also as well, you know, when we. look at the new atheist movement and. that's something that I really followed, you know, Dawkins and all these kind of. people who pointed out the. ridiculousness of certain religions, etc., etc. >> And then we don't need religion. I think that's fundamentally inaccurate. I think human beings need religion. >> I don't know if you need it, but it. definitely can help. >> But I think societies need it. >> Yeah. But I don't I just think it's.

silly to dismiss all these stories as. being useless. >> Totally. >> I just I I think they were trying to say. something, >> right? >> And I don't know what that something is, but the deeper you dive into it, the. more interesting it gets. >> Yeah. Well, last time we had Richard on. the show, if you remember, we kind of. pushed him on this. >> Yeah. and his aunt, as far as we could. get is, he was like, "Well, you know, maybe it's a it's a story that's useful, but it's still not true." And I'm going,

"Well, if it's useful, maybe we should. hang on to it for a little bit." You. know, do we want to throw away something. that's useful because we're so fixated. on literal truth when this is a perhaps. a metaphor for something, right? >> Perhaps. Yeah. >> You know, um, so yeah, I've kind of. moved on on that. I I was, you know, I. used to love all that new atheist stuff. But. >> me, too. But a lot of those guys fell. apart. >> And all those guys get real pnicity. You. don't They don't seem very enlightened.

They don't seem like they're at peace, >> which is interesting, you know, cuz uh. that's the the true Christians that I've. met. And I've met some like legitimate. like very charitable, kind Christians. They're some of the happiest and kindest. people I've ever met. >> And that's borne out in the in the. statistics as well. However, I will say. this though, right? And I think this is. worth like the best people I've ever met. are Christians, but also some of the. worst people I've met. >> Oh, sure. >> You know what I mean? >> Well, there that's there's a real issue.

in Texas where these is very wealthy. guys that are trying to they they. succeeded in getting the Ten. Commandments put in every public school, but they essentially want Texas to be a. theocracy. They're they're nutters, right? They're out on the fringe, you. know? They're uh they're firing. brimstone type Jesus is coming. Like. them folks, those folks are real, too. That scares the [ __ ] out of me because. like uh I was talking to Ron White about. that. Like Ron White's a southern guy, been here his whole life. Like he's like. be careful of them [ __ ] really crazy.

Christians cuz don't think they're like. regular Christians. And he's right. There's you get to the fringe where you. know. >> Yeah. >> And it's the same with other religions. This is not specific to Christians. >> Yep. Yep. It's fun. It's nutters. It's. just nutters. Whether they're nutters as. a Mormon or nutters as a Baptist, they're just nutters. They're crazy. people that take things to the utmost. degree. Do you remember Do you remember. Richard Prior Live at the Sunset Strip. where he was talking about being in jail. and he talked about meeting Islamic. fundamentalists? He called them double.

Muslims. >> Oh, Richard Prior. >> And and that's why there's so so much. infight. Have you ever seen that Emo. Phillips bit? Uh about the the bridge. Would. >> you mind jokes of all time? Yo, you're. going to love this. >> What is it about? >> Uh it's about um he he meets a guy who's. about to jump off a bridge and he starts. talking to him and he realizes there's a. lot of similarities, but I'm not going. to do it justice. Jamie can play it. >> I mean, >> Emo Phillips.

>> No, >> you know, sorry. Sorry. >> Can we not play it? >> That's I don't That's a four-minute bit. of someone else's material. >> Yeah, we'll get in trouble. I'll listen. to it afterwards. We can wrap this up. >> It's one of the best jokes ever. >> What are you guys doing tonight? You. hanging out? >> Yeah. Come to the club. Party. Let's go. Sounds fun. >> Hey, it's always a pleasure. It's really. great to see you guys. I know. I'm. trying to get you to leave this your. shitty country and come to America, but. uh I really do hope you win over there. and fix that place. I I always loved. England. It's an awesome place to visit. And I you know, I think if you what you.

guys do and having these conversations, I I really do think it's important. I. think it's important for the whole. world, but I think it's really important. for England, you know. >> Well, it's, you know, the way we feel. about it is it's our country, man. And. we don't want to run away. >> I get it. >> You know, we love it. We love our. country. We we want to live. You know, you talk about loving. We love England. the same way you guys do. >> If the United States was California, I. would have done the same, right? >> You know, but it's not, >> right? >> I can escape. So, I escaped, but yeah, I. would have felt the same way like.

staying staying sorted out. >> Yeah. try at least try until till it. gets real bad. >> I mean, we're about to get wealth taxes. by all accounts, right? So, that's. that's the next level. >> Well, look, the bright side, you got. digital ID now, so that's. >> Yeah, we're looking forward to that one. >> Uh, trigonometry, it's available. everywhere. It's a great show. I love. you guys. Always great to see you. >> Appreciate you, brother. >> Appreciate you, too. Thanks. Bye. Bye, everybody. [Applause]. [Music]. [Applause].

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