Joe Rogan Experience #2396 - Andrew Schulz

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> Probably going to play something for. you. You've been getting into AI music. at all. >> Uh music a little. A little a little. >> Listen to this. >> Yeah. >> They're taking 50 Cent songs. >> I knew you were going to bring that. I. heard. >> You've heard Many Men, right? Have you. heard What Up Gangster? >> No. No. Let me know. >> No, you haven't.

>> The Many Men one is fantastic. >> The Many Men's amazing. Hold up. Hold. up. Hold up. Before you Hold on. He's. not on. >> Oh, my bad. My bad. >> Listen to this. You got to hear this. You got to hear this. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music]. >> Wait till you hear this flow. [Applause]. Here. [Applause].

we go. They say I stroll around like I. got a chest. That's a vest. Sitting. tight on my chest. I try not to love but. I a duck [ __ ] down. Treat it like sport. you. You stacking paper. I can't get. none with your [ __ ] I'm not the type to. get popped for a Daily High. I'm the. type to snuff you connect when the coke. price climbs high. Gangsters pump my. cuts. Yeah, they know me. I grew up.

around [ __ ] that weren't really. homies. I stash it. The Mac I blasted. these come through. We dump diesel in. the battery casket. This flows home the. ice. I flash it. Cross me. I have your. mama picking out your casket bastard. I'm on a next tier brightening baguette. bezel pedal to the metal. Steam hotter. than a tea kettle. Goat. [Music]. >> goat.

>> This is fantastic. >> So good. >> How much of this is like one prompt or. is there like a guy working with a. >> Jamie's the answer to that cuz Jamie's. done a bunch of them? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Like how much of this is like. actually editing and somebody who. understands producing music like. constantly prompting. >> No. Uh uh prompt five words. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> Say 1950s soul music. >> It's so easy. >> And then put in the. >> You want a cigar? >> Let's Let's burn a cigar. Let's burn one.

down, man. >> Oh, man. 50. >> 50 is the man. >> Let's be toxic rich dudes. >> Yes. Let's do it. >> What are we starting? Have we started? >> Yeah, we're rolling. >> We're rolling. >> We're rolling. >> Are these your your personal ones? No, these are um from Foundation Cigars. These are uh I don't know what they're. called, but these are [ __ ] legit, >> my man. >> What happened to yours?

>> I still have those. >> Those are nice. >> Oh, those are great. >> Yeah, we got a nice little box right. here. >> I just opened this box the other day. They're nice. >> foundation. >> Where are these from? >> Uh probably Nicaragua. I think that's. where he's got his thing. Hey, >> I got you. I don't know. >> What's the rules on that? >> About Nicaragua. >> RFK. Yeah. >> It's like a man taking you shopping.

[Laughter]. >> You hear 50 say that. >> why you want to take me shopping for? >> And then he looked at Meek Mills post. and they were wearing the same shirt. And as Diddy and Meek were wearing the. same shirt, he's like, "See, that's why. I don't let him take me shopping. 50 is so funny. >> But you realize how good his lyrics are. when you hear Run Through AI. Like you. revisit the lyrics like the Many Men. lyrics are fantastic. >> Yeah. The Many Men song, it almost works. better,

>> right? >> It's like a what was that like 50s. >> soul. >> soul? Yeah. >> Yeah. Well, if that dude was a real. dude, he would be the biggest [ __ ]. artist on earth right now. If that was. his song, if it wasn't written by 50, it. was his song and he put it out right. now, everybody be like, "Oh my god, who. the [ __ ] is this guy?" You just picture. him looking like. >> just perfect like Cat Williams type suit. on stage, you know, just going off. sweating, >> wiping his head with a towel, full.

blast. >> Yeah, just like Southern Deacon. >> [ __ ] 9,000 RPMs. What up, blood? >> I just love the idea of like you working. out to 50 soul, 50 Cent. >> Oh, I do. >> Yeah, >> I do all the time. Yeah. Yeah. Working. in there with Wuang. >> With Wuang. >> Wuang is my favorite workout music. Yeah. Big Daddy Kane. Yeah. >> You like Kim? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Coogi rap. >> Have you ever talked to uh do you ever. listen to uh EPMD?

>> Oh, [ __ ] yeah. >> You ever talked to like Eric Surman? >> No, never have. No, never have. >> Yeah. >> I love those guys. I can't believe you. and 50 have never connected. >> Like I know every. >> I met him once. I interviewed him uh for. UFC. >> long time ago. >> Where? >> Um I don't remember. Might have been. Vegas. It was a UFC event in Vegas and. he was there. I don't know if he was. releasing something or whatever it was. I sat next to him and. >> that [ __ ] is harsh. >> It's good, right? >> That's a good one. But that's a strong. one. >> It's a Maduro. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I like them robust. >> I bet. Yeah.

>> I'm glad I lit my own. >> Okay. Wait. So, wait. You met him. You. were at the UFC fight and you spoke to. him. >> It was a UFC event. >> This is how long ago? >> Oh, a long time ago, man. I had hair, so. it got to be pre 2000. There it is right. there. >> Oh, so this is like when he's in the. middle of his stuff with. >> Oh, I mean, I got to say this is. probably 2007 or something like that. >> But he was always involved with. something. He was always beefing with. somebody. Yeah, that was the funniest.

thing cuz when I when we were in uh he's. in that Street Fighter movie, so when we. were in Australia filming, like I saw. the guys with him and like I recognized. like a couple like it was a security, but they didn't look like. >> like one guy looked like actual. professional security and I was like I. was like, "Oh, that's that's that guy. looks like that's his real job being. security, not what I'm used to seeing 50. with, >> right?". >> And uh he goes, "Yeah, man. Can't get in. the country with felonies, bro. I had to. bring the clean ones.". So, so like the real people that he has. around.

>> Wow. You got to bring clean security. >> Clean security. Professionals. >> There's different levels of. professionals. >> Yeah. Well, there's people that know. things. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes you go to like a city or state. and you need to know those things. >> You need to know things. Some people. need to know things. Sometimes you got. to check in with folks. So, that's the. thing. >> Your guys are the best at it. Your guys. hit me up just like, "Yeah, there's some. crazy chick online. She says she wants. to kill you. So, just don't go to New. Mexico. And I was like, "All right, bet. I won't do that." They're like, they're.

like, she said she wanted to kill. somebody else. I won't even say their. names. I don't want to get him any heat, but like, yeah, as long as you don't go. to New Mexico, you should be good. I'm. like, "All right, no plans.". >> Allegedly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's wild times. >> Wild times. >> Mhm. >> Wild times where people celebrate people. getting killed now. Like that never. happened before. >> Like even when someone bad got killed. before, you're like, "Oh, wow. That's. crazy." I've been thinking a lot about. this. >> Yeah. >> And I think that like I don't think we. all exist in the same reality anymore.

Not on some multiverse [ __ ] but like. just like how. >> how we see the world. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> And it's like especially with Charlie's. death because I was in Australia when it. happened. So like I had time like I. wasn't doing pods. I wasn't doing stand. up. I'm just like sitting around in a. trailer all day this movie. So I like. started watching like a bunch of his. stuff. Also I want to say he did. something really cool. Like I didn't. really know him, but like you DM'd a. couple times, but he saw a headline. about me once and he DM'd me and like I. don't even have a relationship with this. guy. He goes, "This headline looks a. little weird. Like I know we don't.

really know each other, but like is this. what you meant?". >> And like there are people who I know. I've considered colleagues that haven't. even afforded that to me. >> They just ran with a headline and like. made a video, got clicks, views, or. whatever like that. This guy I don't. even know hits me up and goes, "Is this. what you meant?". >> Yeah. >> Very cool. I met him once at a gun. range. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. I met him at Taran Tactical. So, I. was down there training. You know, do. you know what Taran. >> This is the one where you see like a lot. of like celebs.

>> The one where you see celebs. He trained. Kiano Reeves for John Wick. >> He's the man. Like Taran Butler is like. a multiple time world champion shooter. of those, you know, the events that they. have where it's timed. Shooter ready. >> Yeah. >> Um, so I met him there. seemed like a. real nice guy. You know, I didn't know. anything about him back then. I didn't. know much about his beliefs and views. that were controversial until after he. got killed. And then people started. sending me stuff and I was like, "Okay,

>> what's the context of this?" Yeah, he. shouldn't have said it that way. There. there was some ones that we've talked. about before. Um, one specifically, >> you know, but it look the [ __ ] guy, first of all, was 31 years old. >> Yeah. >> All right. When I was 31, thank God. there wasn't like Twitter or especially. when I was 21. Oh my god. Thank god. Thank god, you know, judging like that. That's like that Nick Fuentes kid. He's. like 26. Like, thank God.

>> It didn't exist when I was [ __ ] 21. >> I was a [ __ ] [ __ ] I was a complete. [ __ ] like most people, especially if. you grow up around morons. But um I. think he he said a few things that if I. was his friend I would say don't say it. like that. I know what you're trying to. say. >> But don't ever say when I go into a. cockpit I hope that the pilot if he's. black is qualified. >> I know what you're trying to say. You. shouldn't hire underqualified pilots.

>> Yeah. >> But saying it like that. >> He's probably not hanging out with black. people and not knowing how offensive. that's going to be for them. How you got. to go that's not what I meant. Like you. got to you got to that's not what I. meant before you say it. Yeah, >> you got to run it through the filter. Like, what am I trying to say? >> Yeah, >> we all don't want unqualified people to. do dangerous [ __ ] jobs, period. It. doesn't matter what race they are. If. all of a sudden white people became a. minority and they had to start hiring. dopey whites, >> be upset. He makes that argument a lot. Like, he makes it with sports,

>> you know, he's like, "All right, if the. NFL is going to be 50% black and you. know, like so, but again, like the. contest cuz it's taken out.". >> Yes. And I think that's what happened. Like the the algorithm flattens all of. us into a two-dimensional person. And. like. >> only the views that tap into, you know, your biggest insecurities, your biggest. fears, not the views, only like the the. the lines we say or the videos, whatever, that tap into those things. >> or what terrible things you want. confirmed. >> Exactly. Exactly. The things you want. confirmed. Like that's what the. algorithm does. And like I realized that. when I was doing like a promo tour for.

for life, my last special, right? I. would go on a couple pods that like. and like maybe like 10, 15, 20 minutes. into the conversation, they I would. realize like, "Oh, wow. They have a very. different view of me than me.". >> The New York Times one? >> No. Well, the New York Times one, I was. like expecting it for sure. But even. when I went on Dax's podcast, Dax knew. me, but his uh his co-host, I was like, "Oh, she has an idea of me that's like.

cultivated by the internet and. headlines. Exactly. And it's just a. flattened version, >> right? It's like there's really no. humanity in it. It's just these are the. things that. >> people are saying that I'm saying with. no context and then you just create an. archetype. And like. >> I think in a lot of ways that's the. Charlie thing to the furthest extreme, right? It's just like. >> if you're on the right there's one. version of Charlie. If you're on the. left there's another version of Charlie, >> right? And. when he died, this person that you saw. as like a good god-fearing man, you're.

like heartbroken by it. And then on the. left, this person you saw that was like. bigoted or hateful, you're like, "Okay, I'm not really heartbroken by it." Some. people are even crazy enough to be like. he deserved it or this is what you get, right? >> But they can only have that feeling if. he's completely dehumanized the version. of him that they see all the time. >> That happens to you. It happens to me. It happens to like anybody who's on the. internet talking, you know, for a few. hours a week. >> And when I saw that [ __ ] and especially. I saw like that this visceral reaction.

to Charlie, >> that's what sews the sews the insanity. in the country because the people on the. left are seeing the people on the right. be heartbroken, but they're like, "Why. are you heartbroken over this guy who's. a bigot?" And the people on the right. are seeing the people on the left. celebrating. They're like, "Why are you. celebrating the death of this. god-fearing family man?" And both sides. just think each other is absolutely. insane. >> Yeah. when in reality he's neither of. those cartoons. >> Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> So I was just the life thing when I was. talking to those people I was like you. know 20 or 30 minutes in the.

conversation be like oh wow like yeah. you're not kind of who I thought you. were. >> right. >> I'm like yeah cuz you let people. you let people tell you who I was in 30. second clips. You. >> it's not like I have four hours of. podcasting every single week that you. can indulge in to figure it out. >> What do they try to label you as? Like. what is the what's the angle they take. on you? Is it your part manosphere? Oh, you're heterosexual. That's. >> I hate it. >> Heterosexual is a real problem in this. day and age. >> Yeah. No, no, it's Yeah. I think that.

like. >> manosphere. >> I think there's like verse like. manosphere like and I think that this is. kind of a new iteration postelection. So, I think what a lot of people are are. struggling with the fact is they're. trying to like find a way that the. Democrats lost the election without. taking any accountability for like what. they were doing, >> right? >> So, it's like, oh, cuz he went on Rogan. and Schultz and Theo's podcast. >> That's the reason why he won. It's like, no, they they kind of ran a dead guy. that was very unpopular and then they. ran a woman that can't really talk that.

well in front of the camera. >> An open border for four years that. freaked everybody out. >> Sure. Sure. But like out like in New. York, people aren't really worried about. the open border. >> Oh, they were. You don't think they. were? I talked to a lot of people in New. York that were upset about the migrants. that had been shipped there that they. were putting it up in the Roosevelt. Hotel. >> The mining crisis for sure like New York. I think like affected people. I'm not. saying it didn't, but like I don't think. that they attach it to the border. I. think they're more just like well just. don't send them here, you know? You know.

what I mean? Like just keep them down. there or whatever. Like you guys chose. to live near the border. Remember when. they sent them to Martha's Vineyard? >> Oh yeah, they. >> they sent him to Martha's Vineyard like. get get the [ __ ] out of here. They moved. about so quick. Martha's Vineyard is all. liberals, bro. It's all super rich. Mercedes driving limo. >> It's the nimism. What is it called? Not. in my backyard. >> Exactly. >> Right. That's like the And there's a you. know Ezra Klein. You know Ezra. Yeah. And like Ezra did a great piece on it. It's so funny cuz like he's trying to be.

reasonable right now. He's like trying. to. >> I know they're calling him a. right-winger. >> And and I keep and I keep hitting him up. and I'm like, "Bro, you're doing the. right thing when when there are groups. that like hate you because you're. actually trying to like win an election. You're trying to be reasonable." He had. this whole thing about like, "Hey, the. reason why they can build a lot of. buildings in Texas and why we can't in. Los Angeles is because there are. restrictive laws." And people are like, "This guy's an animal." And I was just. like like, "All right, buddy. I don't. know what to do." So, I understand that. frustration.

>> [ __ ] I've felt it a million different. times. Like you try to be nuanced and. reasonable. >> There's really no place on the internet. for it because why would the algorithm. reward anything nuanced and reasonable? That's not entertaining. >> I want to see Nick Fuentes talk [ __ ]. right? >> Do you know what I mean? I don't want to. see like a thoughtful take from some. like TV host. >> You want Sam Hyde. >> I get wild Sam. You know what I mean? Like I Now, does it mean that I agree. with these things? No. >> No. But the algorithm doesn't know what.

you agree with or not. They just know. what you click on, share. >> It's part of the fun of the internet in. general is that it's not regulated. So. when wild people break through and. everybody goes, >> bro, what did what was the first thing. we did with Sora? You got MLK giving a. speech and a Down Syndrome kid walks up. and goes peanut butter. >> Right. Right. Well, how about those. videos where they had like Trump playing. in a band and like there was a like. Clinton was on the saxophone. Did you. ever see those? >> No. >> Oh my god. But like we're going to make.

Credence Clearwater revival together. >> I mean, I still like when the Down. Syndrome kid comes up and it just says. Peter Buck. >> It's guiltfree because he's not a real. person, >> right? >> He's made up. Right. You can laugh at. him. >> We can laugh cuz it's not a real person, >> right? >> But uh. >> but that brings to like what about AI. Down Syndrome porn? >> The sounds would be crazy. >> I mean, we got to see it just for the. sounds, right? It's just just. >> Did they just announce that? Was is Open. AI doing an erotica version?

>> Peanut butter. >> No. Yeah. They said they wouldn't censor. it. They're like, "It's not our job to. be the moral police.". >> Oh, well then it's over. Then it's. Andrew Schultz porn all day long. >> So that's So that's the crazy. Can they. do Hey, bro. >> You handsome devil. >> Hey, the mustache. >> Isn't it it's Isn't moral police of the. world after erotica chat GPT post blows. up. >> So that's the thing. Can you do it? Can. you make porn with us or can you just. make it with like random? >> 100% can with you. >> With What about you? We can't make porn.

with you. >> Me, too. >> I just want you to feel it. >> You hit me with the Spider-Man meme. We make with you. Do it. >> Get them. Well, it's going to be a real. problem with female celebrities, and it. already has been a problem. They face. swapped Natalie Portman onto porn stars. bodies. >> Remember they were doing when we were. kids with Photoshop? The second. Photoshop came out. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. There was like tons of. porn. Who's the lady that ran for. president from Alaska? >> Oh, Sarah Palin. >> Yeah, Sarah Palin was like every single. porn video. >> So, yeah. Why would they not do it?

>> They're doing it 100%. The real thing, >> we won't be upset as long as like we're. we're throwing it down. >> Like, we'll be upset if like our wives. are in it, >> right? That'll be an issue. >> But if somebody makes a porn where I got. like a huge [ __ ] and I'm just [ __ ]. [ __ ] up. >> But the problem is it's going to be your. wife getting teamed on. It won't even be. like fun. Why Why are we putting these. things out there in the world? Why Why. you keep giving them ideas? The internet. is a dangerous place and it always ends. up with me getting [ __ ]. >> Uh yeah, the world's dark right now with.

this because there's no rules and people. are just It's sort of like if you gave. the world matches for the first time and. they're like, I could just start a fire. >> Do you think they did that initially. when they create a fire? They're like, we need some rules for this [ __ ] We. just can't let everybody. >> for sure should. I mean, I thought about. that before. Was that like the original. gun? >> How weird is it that I don't even have. to have a license to have one of the. most powerful forces in the world at the. palm of my hand? And I could be six. >> Okay, >> imagine after the Chicago fire, right?

Like 80% of the city is decimated. I. don't even know what year that is. Probably 1800s or something like that. >> Did they say, "hm, maybe we got to take. matches away from these motherfuckers.". >> Or like fireplaces or some [ __ ] Like I. bet they didn't let you build a house. out of wood anymore. >> Made out of wood. Yeah, but we need. concrete or something like we need. >> why they did that. >> Why' they do it? >> Probably for structural rigidity and um. like from the cold. It's better if you. have like I would I would imagine.

there's a bunch of reasons to make. something out of brick. It's more it's. harder to get into. >> Well, I imagine you won't light on fire. Concrete is. >> Yeah. They I mean they're making By the. way, they probably should have did this. a long time ago, but they're they're. making fireproof houses now in like. Malibu and places like that. Rich. people. >> Yeah. I. >> You would imagine like if you're living. in a place that like once the fire hits, no one's stopping [ __ ]. >> So, >> you know, they just busted somebody for. that. >> I know. I saw that. Like the person who. started the fire. It wasn't in.

Palisades. It was like the one that. connected to it or something like that. >> Something like that. But this dude was. like really into fires. like he he had a. bunch of chat GPT prompts about fires. and. >> that's an interesting autism right. there. >> That's a weird one, man. >> You could have had trains or dinosaurs, but. >> he got fires. >> He got fires, bro. >> There was one guy where they arrested he. had a fake fire truck and he was after. fire. He was a convicted arsonist. >> How much Tylenol your mom take? Did you. end up wanting a a fake fire truck?

>> He bought a fire truck. >> So, a real fire truck. >> Yeah, he bought a fire truck, painted. the logo on it, whatever. and then drove. it to the palisades where the fires were. like. >> started the fires but nobody suspected. >> they don't know if he started fires. They don't know. Yeah, but they do know. that this arsonist was at the fires with. a fire truck. >> and they're like you're not a fireman, dude. >> In fact, you're the opposite of a fire. >> I think that's why it's kind of it's. it's like a brilliant disguise. >> Yeah. Well, in the middle of the chaos,

you know, Huberman filmed a bunch of. guys lighting fires. He said it was. nuts. He said there was like teams of. people running around starting fires. while the fires were going on. >> Yeah. >> He said he watched people do it. People. were screaming at him and honking their. horn. They arrested people that were. doing it. So once chaos break, it's like. they did a study. >> a while back where they parked a car on. the campus of Stanford and they parked a. car I think it was in the Bronx. The car.

in the Bronx got stripped immediately. They they had families coming and taking. the battery and like openly because they. had cameras on it. >> Yeah. >> The the car in Stanford didn't get. [ __ ] with at all. They left it alone. until someone broke. They said, "Let's. just mix this up and break one of the. windows." Smashed the window and then. within a day it was like stripped apart. >> Yeah. the guy that was going in, they. caught him at a checkpoint, but I think. they're looting that he was probably.

going to go try to rob the houses. There. was a bunch of tools that they say were. used in burgers. >> Interesting. Well, he's probably trying. to do that, too. I mean, he's a piece of. [ __ ] But wasn't he already um an. arsonist before this? >> Yes. Yes. >> Yeah. He's just an allaround piece of. [ __ ] It's not like, "Hey, I'm an. arsonist, but I'm not a [ __ ] thief.". >> Yeah. >> I would steal jewelry. Come on. Yeah. >> I saw people just running out of. people's houses with TVs like people. were filming it from the street. >> Yeah. >> Just breaking in, kicking the door in,

just running in teams of people with. masks on. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Robbing somebody's personal home. feels different. I mean, it's [ __ ] up. to just break into a Kmart or any of. those things. Like, but you see how like. you could get caught up in like um I. don't I don't want to call it the. excitement, but like you know, you're a. little [ __ ] kid and something's going. down. You're like, "All right, let's get. after it." Yeah. >> Like bringing to somebody's home is a. little. >> It's horrible. >> Yeah. >> It's evil. >> Yeah. Cuz there's like a person behind. it. Whereas like Kmart is like this. corporation. >> Also, they're always going to know you.

were in their home. >> Like for the rest of their life. They. live with that. >> Well, as long as they're back in that. house, they're going to know that when. the fires broke out, you kicked in their. front door and ransacked their house. And now they're sitting in it. If the. house didn't burn down, now they're. sitting in the house. The house probably. burned down. >> Yeah. which is I guess their logic is. like get in there now otherwise there's. going to be a puddle of [ __ ] on the. ground instead of a Rolex. Let's go get. it. >> You know. >> Yeah. It's crazy how like the fires. weren't even that long ago.

>> I know it wasn't that long ago and they. but they haven't even touched a house. Adam Corolla just did a video about it. >> What did he say? >> He first of all he called it Corolla. called it a long time ago cuz Corolla. has been involved in construction his. whole life. So he knows how hard it is. to get permits to build in the palace. It's like no one is going to rebuild. >> This is. >> But they haven't even touched it. >> Yeah, but I think they just said that. they're going to start like stripping. back some of that legislation. >> Exactly. They're going to start putting. low-income housing up there. >> This is what happened with I think it. was in like I think it was in.

Philadelphia, right? I think it was. there was like a bridge that collapsed. You remember this? Was this in Philly, Pennsylvania? And I think the governor. was like, "Okay, we have to rebuild this. because obviously there's going to be. like huge traffic situations. Like we. just we need this thing. this is just. how humans are going to kind of get. around. And uh so they stripped all. legislation and they were able to put it. up in a matter of weeks if I'm not. mistaken. Jamie, you know what I'm. talking about. >> Yeah, I know what you're talking about. I remember that story. I remember. something. >> How long would this take if we didn't. strip all the legislation? They're like.

uh 16 to 18 months. So you did in 3. weeks compared to 16 18 months. >> I think this is where people get like. frustrated with all the the the. bureaucracy and the red tape. Now, I. also believe in some red tape. Like, I. live in New York City. There's somebody. renovating above us right now. I got a. kid, you know what I mean? So, it's like. I would like a little red tape to make. sure they're just not hammering 24 hours. a day, right? >> We live on top of each other. You live. in Texas. There's probably You don't.

even see your neighbor. You could have a. little less red tape, >> right? >> But then we get to a point in New York. where it's like, okay, is it impossible. to renovate ever? Maybe that's too much. But there needs to be some in different. situations. >> 100%. I completely agree. I got in a. conversation about that a long time ago. with Dave Rubin where we were talking. about uh regulations for construction. sites that you don't you don't need. inspectors and I was like, "Oh my god.". >> Yeah. That's the. >> Bro, they'll put they'll put the cancer. in the kids cereal. >> Yeah. They don't give a [ __ ]. >> Like if you don't regulate the food,

they'll put anything in it. >> Well, that's. >> so you need to have somebody looking. after. >> it's in it right now. This is this RFK. Junior [ __ ] where they're turning him. into a quack and these companies going. to go under if they have to follow these. regulations. They're following them. already in Canada. >> Exactly. It's like. >> same factory, >> same Froot Loops. >> And now we got to feel bad for Kelloggs, >> right? We're like, "Oh my god, they're. not going to make it. Poor Kelloggs.". >> Didn't um Newsome just veto a bill that. would stop forever chemicals? There was.

a bill that would stop forever chemicals. being used on I think cooking utensils. Like there's certain like non-stick. cookware that has forever chemicals on. it. If you're scraping it with like a. metal spatula, it'll probably get in. your diet. >> Yeah. >> Not good. I think he they were banning. it. So, and I think he vetoed it. Yeah. He vetoed a California bill banning. cookware with PFAS's forever chemicals. Says the bill would cause sudden product. shift sparking debate among chefs, lawmakers, and environmentalists. No.

No. The bill stops poison, bro. The bill. stops poison for going into human. bodies. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You prophet monster. >> Yeah. Did you you [ __ ] prophet. monster. >> Did you Did you see there's a there's a. guy named Van Van Leon was asking him. about Apac. Did you see this? He just. says something. >> interesting. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just interesting. I. mean it's not something I. >> I don't think about it. >> I don't It's just. >> interesting. It's interesting. I'm. interested. [ __ ]. >> I'm interested.

>> I'm interested. Now I'm interested. Now. I'm interested. >> Yeah. What is he coming on? >> He's talking some [ __ ] on Twitter. >> I know. It's like you think that's going. to work. Like that's so stupid. Like. this is such a bad look. >> It's such a bad choice. >> There's a little desperation in it. >> But it's just stupid. It's like this is. a bad strategy. Like I probably would. have had him on. Yeah. >> But now I'm like no. What are you doing? >> There is a fun version where you just do. it and cook them. >> You know, >> he'll cook himself. >> I mean that's.

All you have to do is just ask them. questions. >> It's like, why are people leaving? >> Well, why do you say this thing all the. time where you rattle off all the good. things about California? When anybody. says something bad about California, it's like number one in Fortune 500. companies, number one in higher. education, number one, >> it was all that [ __ ] before you were. there. It was all that [ __ ] forever. It's cuz the weather's perfect, man. It. has nothing to do with you. >> California is an unbelievable state. This is just what we have to call it's. like the. >> mountains and the oceans 2 hours apart. >> It's unbelievable. Yeah, it's nuts.

>> It's It's probably in terms of like one. place if you had to live in one state. for the rest of your life, >> one state for the rest of your life. You. could never move and that was the only. place you could live. >> It's Cal, it's California. It's like not. even a question. It's a If you want. snow, you can have snow. If you want to. be in San Diego and the beach all day, you have the San Diego the beach. You. could surf, you could snow, but you. could do whatever the [ __ ] you want. You. want to be a farmer. all kinds of parts. of San Francisco, all kinds of parts of. Oakland, all kinds of parts of, you. know, the San Fernando Valley. It's all.

so different. It's like there's so many. different ways you can live in. California, >> but they're [ __ ] problems and people. are leaving. Like, if people are leaving. the place you're in charge of, don't be. upset if people are critical of how. you've been managing it. Yeah. >> Like Hollywood, >> I I've been talking to like people who. are making films, like the producers of. films, not like the actors, right? like. the actual people are putting the money. up to make films, right? Because they'll. give you the real, right? >> Like we're filming in Australia. I'm. like, "Guys, why the [ __ ] are we filming. in Australia?" Like, "Australia is nice,

but. >> why the [ __ ] are we here?" And they're. like, "You can't make a movie in. Hollywood." I go, "What do you mean you. can't make?" He They go, "You cannot." I. go, "Where was Hollywood on the list of. places we could film?" I give me the. number. And he they're like, "Not even. top 10.". >> Wow. >> Not even top 10. >> Wow. >> It's It was Australia. you get 60% off. in taxes or something like that. >> 60. >> 60 we're talking about if you're making. like a $10 million romcom that's one. thing. If you're making a $100 million. $200 million film, 60% off in taxes.

>> Yeah. >> So, something's happening in LA and it's. [ __ ] up because I look at LA kind of. like a college football town, but. college football is the film industry. >> And it's like if you don't nurture that, I'm not worried about the actors. It's. like there's a guys who do the lighting, they do transpo. These are guys who like. they're like working class guys. They. make good money, don't get me wrong, but. like that goes away. The crew that came. out to film, like a lot of the crew that. came out to film in Australia was from.

LA. >> And a lot of them have moved to LA that. moved to like San Diego. Like my boy. Nick was ad he's like, "Yeah, there's. just no work in LA right now. So we'll. travel for the job and then I just live. the rest of my time in San Diego.". That's a problem. Netflix just built. this like billion dollar [ __ ] studio. in Jersey. Did you see this? >> No. So, like they're going to start. taking production over there. I'm just. saying like you have the industry that. everybody knows Los Angeles for. What. other thing do we know LA for? >> That's it. It's being famous. Music, movies.

Yeah. It's all LA. That's all LA is. >> I don't even know what music is coming. out of there anymore. Like when we were. kids, you think about like what those. those iconic like rock and roll venues, >> right? Well, it's also a town of lost. children, right? Like the one of the. problems with LA is like if you wanted. to talk about a town that doesn't have. like an emotional base that's healthy. Like the the main motivation of a a good. percentage of the people that came out. there is to just to get attention to.

make up for a shitty childhood. >> Like that's the main the the main. population. >> LA is is attention to make up for a. shitty childhood. New York is money to. make up for a shitty childhood. Yes. >> That's really what it is. >> Yes. >> It's like New York is the hedge funds of. the banks cuz it's like, okay, my dad. wasn't around, my mom hated me, but I'm. going to make a billion dollars. And. that. >> my mom was on pills and barely there. And you know, >> I've developed enough sociopathy where I.

can be this [ __ ] hedge fun guy that's. going to take over the world. That's. what they believe. And then LA is the. same thing, but it's just pats in the. back. I want people to love me. >> Yeah. It's both two different versions. of American Psycho. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to wonder like. which one is worth like. >> New York is uh better because at least. they have more information. They have. more things they can talk to you about. >> What I say Yeah. What I always say about. New York is like uh we still we still. appreciate greatness even if you're not. even if you're not wealthy. So like the.

best skateboarder is really cool in New. York. >> Yeah. >> The best street artist is really cool. Like. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Whereas I think LA because it's built. around the entertainment industry is. like whatever's hot. You could have a. dog [ __ ] movie, but if it's the biggest. movie, you're the guy. >> Yeah. >> And because there is that dependence on. like star power over there. >> where I think is New York is like the. kind of dependence is the banks. >> Like the industry doesn't rely. So like. we get to masquerade as like really. enjoying artists, >> right? Like you could be a bad. [ __ ] and be playing in like.

subway tunnels. >> and people like, "Oh, this guy is the. >> And some guys do like make it out of. there like that." Like Charlie Crockett. >> Busking, I believe it's called. Well, yeah. Charlie Crockett used to just pull. up and and start playing. You don't know. who Charlie Crockett is? >> Do they do a 50s version of his music? >> No. No. No. That's the only way I know. >> No, he's he does like a 50s version of. his music. He's like a a country guy who. was a street kid. >> Oh, >> yeah. Man, he's a bad [ __ ].

He's really good, man. He's got a voice. where you're like, "Oh, this guy's seen. some shit.". >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay, I got you. Yeah. his. So he used to. >> This is fire. >> He would sing on [ __ ] subway cars. He. would sing, you know, in the tunnels. >> Yeah. >> He would do his [ __ ] on street corners. He was like homeless for a long time and. now he's killing it. >> Yeah. >> Very very interesting guy. But that's. New York, right? He was in New York. doing country music outside. >> Yeah.

>> You can do some stuff like that in New. York and people are like, "Look at this. bad motherfucker." You do it in LA, they're like, "You [ __ ] loser. You're. never going to be Bruce Springsteen.". They whatever it is, >> they don't care about the best pool. player in LA. >> No, >> but New York, there's like a little. bubble that you could exist in where. you're like the king of the [ __ ]. cash. >> True. LA has no pool halls. >> And it's just like another version. It's. like everything is geared around. entertainment. And I get it. That's it. It's like if you're the coach of the. football team in Ohio State, like you're. the guy. >> Yeah. But I think it's kind of cool in.

New York that you have these little. bubbles where, you know, people really. value this niche thing that you do. >> Well, New York has strong communities of. bubbles, right? Like the pool thing is a. good example because LA at one time had. Hollywood billiards, which was a 24-hour. pool hall that was filled with hustlers. It was like a notorious place. Like if. you were a New York pool player and you. were coming to LA, you went to Hollywood. and you you went downstairs and there. was all these like you could get a game.

and you can get a game with some [ __ ]. killers. >> Pool holes the same, bro. It's. underground. >> A lot of them. >> It's like at least back where I'm. >> That was Chelsea. Chelsea Village was. underground too. Like some of the big. that was. >> And then the one up on 86 was at uh. >> I think at one point it was Amsterdam, but it was it was upstairs. And then. there was another one on 86th Street on. the east side that was downstairs. Oh. yeah, the downstairs one's probably. shiftier. >> That was the one that uh Nikki Schulman, the guy I was telling you about that I. went to middle school with in elementary. school. >> Oh, he would go to that one. >> That's what we would just go during. lunch and I was like, "Why does this guy.

like this place?". >> There was hundreds of pool halls in the. the '9s when I lived in New York. Hundreds. You'd go to these like 24-hour. Chinese joints. >> You go in Chinatown, there's killer. players and they could barely speak. English. You But but my point is LA only. had one. My boy, my boy, this Chinese. kid, we called him cowboy. We went to uh. he was he was at our school. I mean, like the kid had the strongest Chinese. accent. I think he was born in America. It was crazy. It was like it's like I. didn't even understand. I was like, "This guy's got to be putting it on." He.

lived in like the Chinese version of. like the projects in Chinatown, right? And he had a pool table in his. apartment. >> Whoa. There's no room in the apartment. It's the projects, right? Like I'm. watching his mom like skirt around the. pool table. Half the shots you can't. even do. But like the obsession was. unreal. And cowboy was was legit. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you need a place to practice in the. dark when no one's looking. That's the. thing about pool players. You want to. get good when no one's watching. So you. could sneak up on people.

>> Oh yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. >> So they they have this idea how good you. play, but you play a lot better than. that. You got to be able to practice in. silence. >> Yeah. >> But now with the internet, you can't. hustle anymore. I feel like. >> No, there's no hustling anymore. There's. like maybe a few guys that could pull it. off on idiots, >> but amongst highle guys, you know, every. your all the action is knocked. My point. was there's only one place in all of LA. LA had 20 million people. There was one. place that was pretty good. >> Yeah. >> There was a there was a place in um the.

valley. There was a couple places in. like when you start going out towards. Santa Barbara. Well, tout that. There. was a few places, but as far as like the. volume of New York City, it was not even. close. >> It was New York, Connecticut, New. Jersey, they were all filled with. legendary pool hall. We used to play at. West End Billiards. >> in uh New Jersey. They had a weekly. tournament with like pros. It was in. Elizabeth, New Jersey. Super sketchy. area. Super sketchy. But you would go.

there and you'd see Steve Miserak. playing Rodney Morris. two world class. world championship level pool pool. players in this shitty ass [ __ ] weird. spot with a diner counter there. It was. it was they were everywhere. >> It's a cool world. The pool world. >> Oh, it's it's a great world. >> I remember I was here forget when it was. but like there you had a guy down here. I don't know if he just did the pod, but. he was like an OG and I think he like. commentates maybe now, but. >> Jeremy Jones. Jeremy Jones. My boy.

Yeah. And uh he could hold court like he. was like storyteller. >> Yeah, he's a funny dude. He's got he was. on the podcast too. He's got some great. [ __ ] stories. >> Yeah, that was cool talking. >> And he that dude won the US Open. The US. Open's the pool tournament where it's. the US Open, but people come from. everywhere. Like people come from all. around the world. Taiwan, Germany, all. over the place to play in that. tournament. That's the big one. And. Jeremy won that [ __ ] He won that [ __ ]. That's how good he played. hearing his. stories about like going like being like.

essentially like a traveling pool. hustler and like popping into a town. where you heard there was some game and. you travel with like a couple other. people. One guy would like uh sense it. out. He would go play a couple games, see who's there and then Jeremy would. just come in and just clean up for two. weeks straight. >> and then you're out of there. >> Yep. >> It is. >> And you play like you suck at first. >> At first, right? That's right. Yeah. The. first week you just let people beat up. on you a little bit and then the second. week. >> you eat their lunch. depends on how. thick your bankroll is, you know, like.

if you could start off like just you you. only got like 150 to lose, you know, like you have your gambling money and. like what can we [ __ ] with before we. start getting into real money? Cuz if. you want to get somebody on the hook, you don't want to get them on the hook. for $100. You want to get them on the. hook for $5,000. >> Hook means you want them to have the. confidence that they'll beat you. >> Well, when they're on the hook is when. they're [ __ ]. >> right? So So you let them win a few. games and then you say, "Let's bet some. [ __ ] real money." Yeah. >> And you know, you look nervous and [ __ ]. and then you get a game for $5,000.

You're like, "Okay, here we go.". >> And then you loosen up. Then all a. sudden the stroke is smooth and he's. like, "What the [ __ ] happened like. midway through that game when someone. realizes they're being hustled?". >> Oh, they get mad. I've been there. I've. been there. Not with me. I was never. good enough to hustle people. But my. friend Johnny was a professional pool. hustler. My friend Johnny was a homeless. guy. >> Not the guy that from Connecticut. >> No, that's Tommy. Tommy. That's Tommy. Tommy was different. Tommy wasn't as. crazy as Johnny. Like Tommy's clean and.

sober. He has been like he smokes a. little weed, but like his whole life he. never drank, never did drugs, right? And. he was an elite pool player. But Johnny. was the Johnny actually used to play at. the subways, too. He used to go down. He. was a musician, so he would he would had. a little keyboard and [ __ ] That's one. of the ways that he made money. >> But he would hustle people. That's how I. met him. He tried to hustle me. Yeah. He. just comes over and he starts, you know, talking like, "Dude, you play pretty. good. You want to play some?" And I was. like, "What are we talking about, man? >> Did you have the defenses up?" Like,

>> right away I knew I could smell a. predator. I was like, "Get the [ __ ] out. of here.". >> So, we became friends. >> So, he So, he sees it. Do you respect. the hustle? >> 100%. >> Okay. So, within pool, someone trying to. hustle you, it's not seen as it's not. seen as like an act of aggression at. all. It's just like this is part of the. game. >> It's part of the part of the fun. >> Yeah. It's part of the fun. >> Oh, so you almost appreciate when. someone's. >> 100% cuz you you don't know like is this. guy [ __ ] with me? You play good? Do. you play good? >> And you don't know. Did you ever see the.

movie The Color of Money? >> No. >> This is There's a scene where was it. >> Paul Newman and Forest Whitaker. Forest. Whitaker hustles Paul Newman. >> Yeah. >> And uh and he at one point in time Paul. Newman goes, >> "Are you a hustler? Are you a hustler?". Because Paul Newman in the movie The. Hustler was the guy who did that to. other people. He pretended he sucked and. then he would eventually get all their. money. >> Yeah. >> And he goes, "Uh, and Forest Whitaker. looks at goes, "Wow, you want to quit?". >> He goes, "You can quit.".

>> And he's like, "Fuck you." He's like, "All right, let's go." And then he's. he's got him on the hook cuz he's better. than him. And Paul Newman has to. realize, "Oh my god, this young guy is. better than me and he's stealing my. money." And at the end, he asks him a. question. He goes, "Can I ask you a. question? >> Do you think I need to lose some. weight?". And he just smiles at him and he just. walks off because you know Forest. Whitaker is fat. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, he just smiled at him and he. just peels the hundreds off the table. and leaves. >> That's part of the fun. Part of the fun.

is like maybe you're going to get got. But it can only happen in two ways. If. you are naive or if you suck. Cuz if. you're the best, you can't get hustled. >> Yeah. I guess what I'm trying to say is. like uh in in just regular life, if. somebody was trying to hustle me, I. would be like, "Fuck you. you're an. [ __ ] but there's a different it's. almost like prison rules. Like there's a. different set of rules. Like being. racist is wrong in regular life. And. then everybody goes into prison. It's. like, all right, we're going to divide. this thing up a little bit, you know?

Throw it back to the 1800s. You go over. here, we go here, right? And it's just. like I don't even know if they look at. it as hateful. I think they're like this. is just what we got to do to make it. through. I I assume that's kind of more. or less what I'm sure there's hateful. guys within it. Yes. Yeah. >> But like so so I just I just find it. interesting when people have different. rule sets that they operate within. society. Yes. >> And I feel like this is one of them. where a guy's coming over to essentially. steal your money, but you understand. that the game is that. So you're like,

"Okay, I'm going to let you like ris me. up a little bit. Like I'm going to let. you fake charm me and I might actually. get you over.". >> And there's no animosity between the. sharks. Have you ever seen two elite. pool players talk about the game about. like setting up a game? They're like, I. don't know. I haven't been playing. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I haven't been hitting balls, you know? I'm not really I I can't give you any. weight, man. I'm just not playing that. good. >> Weight is like. >> Weight is like a spot. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, like if nineball So, like if you and. I were playing nineball and you were. kind of good, I would say, "Look, I'll.

give you the eightball, which means you. could win by pocketing the eightball or. the nineball." way increases your. ability to win the game because you can. make combinations. You could luck in the. eightball. Luck in the N. And I would. say it's call or wild. >> What does that mean? >> So, it's wild. It means you could knock. into some balls and accidentally knock. in the eightball and you'd win the game. I would say I'll give you the call shot. eight. You're like, no, I need it wild. And we'd have this conversation. I need. it wild and I need the brakes. Like, oh, I don't know about the breaks. And you'd. have to like work out a game, a spot.

So, like that's where the hustling comes. in because someone pretends they need. weight that can beat you. They can beat. you already and then they get you to. give them weight. >> So now, yeah, now you got a lot of. confidence going in. You're like, "This. guy sucks to the point where I got to. give them.". >> Do you know open micers that are way too. confident for their actual ability? You. know, open micers that think they're. doing well or guys in the beginning. >> I'll be honest, I don't know any open. micers anymore. >> Yes. But you remember that's the same.

way with pool players. There's pool. players that are kind of okay but think. they're a lot better than they are. And. if if they're a [ __ ] and you could. dance with their ego a little bit like, "Dude, I saw you play uh Mikey, you're. [ __ ] amazing, man. When you get. loose, you're way better than me.". >> And the guy's like, "I'll give you a. spot." And then, you know, he's giving. you the eightball and he can't beat you. even. It's half of the fun. Jeremy Jones. told me a story about uh how he hustled. Marcus Shamont. Marcus Shamont is like a.

worldclass pool player, like a top. flight pool player, and he hustled him. by getting him to give him weight. >> And Jeremy could beat him even. >> and why would Marcus do it? Like he must. know any better. He didn't know Jeremy. came up with a fake name. >> Oh, okay. Okay. That that's crazy. That's. >> Well, they all had fake names. They all. had fake names. >> Yeah. Yeah. He told me that when he was. coming down to Texas to get those games. like Yeah. You come up with a fake name. and like somebody else talks about you. >> Yes.

>> Like your buddy who goes in to kind of. like scope it out. Talks about you. >> He gamles high. Yeah. He's He's a wild. He loses a lot, but he's not he's not. scared to gamble and everybody loves to. hear that kind of stupid talk. >> Yeah. >> Do you know who Efron Reyes is? >> Yo, you told me about this guy and then. I started looking him up, bro. >> But what was his other name? >> Caesar Morales. >> Yes. >> He came here from the Philippines. This. is how strong he was from another. country. He had to change his name. >> This before Google, before Wikipedia, >> black and white photo. There's a black.

and white photo that I have a t-shirt of. was like Morales stuns the field at. Reds. He came over from the Philippines. and robbed everybody. Robbed the best. blue players in America. We had to fake. his name cuz if he said Efron Reyes, you'd see the look on the Filipino face. like Ephine. Efron's here. >> Efron here. >> Yeah. >> Ba. They called him Ba. >> The kid was this. >> I wonder if this is like early days. >> That's it. Look at that.

>> That's. >> Look at that photo, bro. Black and white. photog. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> it didn't have to be black and white in. 85, >> but that dude rolled over here and. started [ __ ] people up. >> Says his name on there. >> Oh, signs his name Efron Reyes. >> Well, you know what it is? Because when. he played in the tournament, he went. under the name of Caesar Morales. Then. he had to collect his money. He needed. like a real name where he had ID to cash. the check. >> Bob says there's another guy that was.

using an alias, too. >> Well, Wade Crane. Wade Crane would go. around as Billy Johnson. That was his. nom deplor when he was hustling. Billy. Johnson, but he was Wade Crane. He was. this big [ __ ]. >> like linebacker looking dude who had a. cannon for a break. Just boom. >> Yeah. >> And then it would just run out on people. all over the country. And but the thing. is if you rob Lemons, that's when you're. getting in fights. So if you rob regular. people, that's a regular guy who who. doesn't really play pool. Yeah. and you.

hustle him, that's when you get in. fights because they don't know how the. this whole thing works. Yeah. Because. lied to me and stole my money of. engagement. They they think it's a. crime, >> you know? They play better than you. really. >> amongst the sharks. They don't play. You. have to be like really desperate to play. lemons. If you find some idiots just. knocking some eightballs around and you. could tell they can't play at all. Yeah. And you start talking [ __ ] to getting. their ego and you you convince one of.

these dummies to play you for money, >> you're stealing money and they might. kill you. >> Yeah. >> But if you do it to a guy who's involved. in a gambling match for pool, like him. and his buddies are playing and they're. >> professional fighters fighting each. other. >> Yeah. >> Exactly. Exactly. It's the rules of. engagement and amongst pool players, it's part of the fun. Yeah. >> Like they'll go for an hour and a half. without making a game. >> just talking [ __ ] about different spots. I'm going to need this. I'm gonna need. that. >> Cuz they're addicted to that part too.

>> Oh yeah. >> Like sometimes. >> foreplay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Hey, you want to go right in there? Yeah. [ __ ]. >> suck on it a little. >> Yeah. Let's get the juices flowing. Come. on. >> It's fun to. >> Yeah. It's fun to. >> It's fun to enjoy something, especially. >> Yeah. When you sit down at a restaurant, you don't immediately get food stuffed. right in your face. >> Yeah. >> You sit down, you have a glass of wine, you start talking. Let me tell you what. this guy told me. And then like And. you're having fun. >> But are you doing that when you're when.

you're playing? >> Like you said, you're playing how many. hours a week now? >> It depends. Sometimes I'll play like two. hours in a day every day. >> Okay. So, let's say you're playing bare. minimum, let's say 10 hours a week, >> right? >> That's not good enough. >> Yeah, I I know. I mean, I remember when. we were talking last time, you said that. like. >> pros play eight hours a day. >> Yeah. But you said some crazy [ __ ] You. said uh you're like, I don't start. playing well until like hour six or. something like that. >> Hour two.

>> You said some [ __ ] about like I need to. be a little drunk. I need to be like a. little loose. Like, >> no, not drunk. A little high helps. It. was one you started like everything that. goes against what should work for like. your physical ability, >> right? >> I don't know. You you mentioned. something about like flow or something. I think this is with Jones too. Like. Jones was like, "Yeah, I like getting. into it." Like he was like, "I'll I'll. play for like six hours and then I'm. starting to really kind of warm up. I'm. locking in. I'm dialing in like. >> and that's why it's like first to 100.". Like that's another thing I didn't. realize. I didn't realize guys are. playing 100 games over like two days.

>> Three days. 120 is a big one. I thought. it's like, yo, we play a couple. It's. like best out of five. >> And he's like, no, no, no, no, no. Like, you're up. And sometimes part of it is. being able to outlast them. >> Mhm. >> Like the exhaustion takes over and. sometimes people tap out. >> Well, it's concentration goes away. The. like the the concentration of focusing. on an edge of a ball at distance and. then also not moving your arm off this. line. Yeah. So, there's a line that I'm.

when I'm stroking a ball. There's a line. coming out of this. I can't Sora. Sora, do your thing. >> Here we are. I help you out. >> Have the kids come in. Peanut butter. >> The from the. >> from the elbow to the cradle. Right. I'm. holding on to that Q like a baby bird. >> Oh, really? It's a soft uh. >> Oh, it's very soft. I hold on to it like. like a little baby bird. I never like. death grip. It's very light. Very.

>> Who would death grip it? >> Who? >> Peanut But no. >> See what sore is doing to us. >> Yeah, man. >> No. No. No. Okay. So, it's a light grip. and then on the final stroke you have to. >> The thing is it's like even then it's. like mostly the weight of the queue. It's like a little bit of like wrist. action and I'm trying to like have as. little I let the queue slip a little in. my grip as it makes contact. It's really. like the weight of the cube. >> Why would you want to reduce force?

>> It's not reducing force. It's actually. the opposite. I actually get more force. >> Oh, you let it slip forward into it. I. thought on impact it slides back in your. hands. >> No, it goes through my hand. I have to. catch it before it goes away. Got it. Got it. >> Jeremy calls it throwing the queue. And. he showed me the technique. And um it's. also the the old school guys used to. call it a slip stroke where the queue. like slips in your hand a little bit and. it's a sign that you're like barely like. Ephine was the best at it. Efron cradled.

the queue like his hands were delicate. He's barely holding it and his wrist was. loose and it makes the Q ball dance like. there's no sliding. If you hit it too. hard the CQ ball slides. It's like it. gets pushed. It's crude. But if you hit. it gently, you stroke the ball, it just. rolls forward perfectly and collides. with the other ball, gets perfect. position, it's a work of art. But it's a. work of art that only someone who. practices it can understand.

>> People, as like I was telling you about playing. paddle and how like obsessed I am. And. you're you immediately were like, I'm. playing pool 14 hours a week. And it's. just I don't I don't think people. realize like how important it is to just. have some [ __ ] that you enjoy. >> so important. >> that you're not making money at or. anything like that. Like. >> how nice is it? It's just it's like a. removal from all like this stupid stress. chaos all people talking [ __ ] what the. internet is fabricated. Like it's great. to have a couple hours. >> Maybe that's what it is. Like I. >> it centers you for sure. There's some.

like archery does that for me too. Um, you need something that you're focusing. on getting really good at that's [ __ ]. hard. Who that doesn't give a [ __ ] who. you are. Yeah. Doesn't give a [ __ ] what. your name is. Doesn't give a [ __ ] if you. sold out Madison Square Garden. >> Just you better put that [ __ ] arrow. on that target or you're a loser. >> You're a loser. >> Like put it put it in there. And that's. there's absolute truth in pool. There's.

absolute truth in archery. Absolute. truth. The arrow either hits the target. or it does not. There is no room for. charisma. There's no room for [ __ ]. >> It either gets in there or it does not. And I think things like that, whether. it's golf or paddle for you or whatever. it is, jiu-jitsu for some people, >> you either tap someone or you do not. You either get tapped or you tap them. Yeah. >> You know, and there's absolute truth in. that. And stuff like that is like really.

good for artists because art is so. subjective. >> Also successful people like. >> it's nice to have something that humbles. you. >> Yes. >> You know what I mean? Like people are. meeting you all day. They're probably so. excited and like they're they're being. versions of theirelves around you, you. know? Like do you ever even feel like. that? Like like how many people are you. having like a normal conversation where. you're like talking [ __ ] and they're not. going, "Oh my god, I'm talking to Joe. Rogan right now." M. >> like is that why like is that why being.

around comedians that you've known for. so long is valuable to you? Is that why. like being around these pool guys that. yes they know you're Joe but like once. you start playing like you either suck. at pool. >> Yeah. >> or you can play like is is there like a. uh does it like bring you back to. humanity in some ways? >> Oh for sure it helps. Yeah. It keeps you. humble. Yeah. Jiu-Jitsu is the best at. that because not only are they beating. you, they're literally killing you and. you're saying, "He just killed me.". >> Yeah. >> Thanks. Don't Don't rip my knee apart.

Thanks. Don't Don't break my arm. Thank. you. >> If you get a guy gets you in an arm bar, man, it is so humiliating. >> It's so funny that like this is like. this is such a delicate thing before you. die. >> Yeah. Well, often you even say it, too. Like sometimes you just say tap tap tap. tap tap. Yeah. You know, like that uh. that happened in one of the last UFC's. Um a dude was saying tap tap tap uh Josh. EMTT when he got caught. He got caught. in an arbar and had to verbally tap. It's uh you you get humbled.

>> Yeah. >> It's it's real. It is what it is. And if. you don't have anything like that in. life, >> you can like really have this aversion. to losing. And an aversion to losing is. very [ __ ] dangerous. It's very. [ __ ] dangerous. >> Yeah. You just get comfy. Y. >> Yeah. You need to have something that. You need to have something that scares. you. Being scared is good. >> Well, it gives you some resilience. It's. like if you're a person who sleeps all. day and now you have to run a marathon. Well, you're not going to be able to. Yeah. >> Cuz you've never ran, right? But if you.

run all the time, you can run a [ __ ]. marathon and it's real relaxing, >> you know? It's really just how much you. put into it. >> And if you're not a person who's used to. losing at anything ever and then you. lose, it's devastating for your whole. life. >> Yeah. This is like the um you know if. you're like a like a a prince or. something like that. >> Uh-huh. Exactly. You're jaw-free. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And that can happen and you don't build. up that resilience. I almost feel like. it's you almost have some empathy for. it, you know, because like they never. had 20 years, 30 years toiling in.

obscurity before they got success. So. they we you know like we at least have. something to like look back on and. realize how [ __ ] humbling it is, how. shitty people can be, etc. But like they. never experienced that. >> Childhood stars. childhood stars are all [ __ ] up. There's not I never met one of them. that's got their you know some of them. are really interesting still like Miley. Miley Cyrus. She's really interesting. She's very smart. >> and she's really good. Like her her. music is like she's not trying to be. like pop hit girl. She's just trying to.

express herself. It's like real legit. art. But ain't no way you get that. famous that young. your [ __ ] Hannah. Montana when you're a teenager and the. whole world is cheering for you and you. don't get a little crazy because of. that. >> Yeah. >> I never met one of them that's got their. [ __ ] together. >> Is that the Britney thing? >> Yeah, 100%. Man, >> that's Michael Jackson. He's the best. example of it of all time. >> I wonder just what responsibility. >> I wonder what responsibility like the. people around them have. >> A lot,

>> you know? >> A lot. They might not know it while it's. happening though. >> Yeah. Cuz they're getting paid off it. It's It's a little bit of that, but it's. not shunned. Like, it's still a thing in. Hollywood. >> What do you mean? >> I mean, in Hollywood, when when you have. children and your children want to act, people encourage it. They like bring. their kids to auditions. They they call. them, you know, >> whether it's audition moms or, you know, what's the term? >> Stage moms. That's it. Stage mom. Stage. moms. Like, dude, those are real, man. I've worked with kids before on a TV.

show and like I had one of the moms of. the kids was like, "How does she how. does she get more work? What does she. need to do?" And I was like, "I don't. know." I'm like, "I don't come from this. world. I'm a comedian. I come from a. totally different world. I don't I don't. know how you go about doing it." But the. mom was like super desperate to get her. kid more work. And I was like, >> and that's the tricky thing because it's. not like merit-based like sports in a. lot of ways. Like there are people that. are good at [ __ ] they're good at. acting, etc., But like a lot of it is.

maybe who you know, what they're willing. to do, how uncomfortable a position. they're willing to be in. >> I think it's most of that I think. >> cuz most people at that level, especially like little kid acting. >> Yeah. >> Most people are pretty similar. There's. no like one little kid like, "Oh my god, he's a Maron Brando of little kids.". >> Yeah. >> Like. >> maybe there's Ricky Schroeder from The. Champ. >> Do you ever see that movie The Champ. with John Voit? >> Oh my god, dude. Oh my god. I saw a. little kid. I cried my eyes out. It's uh. it's a rough movie. It's about uh this.

boxer who who dies. John Voit dies and. his kid is trying to get him to wake up. He's like, "Wake up, champ." He died in. the ring. >> But but it's like crazy. He's crying. You're like, "Oh my god, it seems so. real.". >> How old is the kid? >> I don't know how old Ricky Schroeder. was, was supposed to be in the movie, but he's a kid. He's like nine or. something like that. So imagine being. nine like knowing how to cry on Q. >> Crazy, right? >> Like where are you? Yeah, >> I know.

>> Accessing that emotional depth. >> He did that and then he did Silver. Spoons. He had this TV show he did like. and you know. >> he was seven. >> Yeah. >> God damn. Seven. >> Yeah. It's a it's a fine line because. you see some of these parents not like a. stage parent like. >> Yeah. There he is right there. >> Even like uh. >> It's so sad. You know the uh you know the guy who. drives for for Red Bull, Max Versstappen. heard his name. Yeah. >> Widely while he's like considered the. best driver right now. Like despite.

maybe the car not being elite, he's so. elite that he can compete with maybe. better cars on the track and he's. already won a bunch of championships. etc. But like I think his dad was also a. driver and apparently like his dad. cultivated a next champion and like that. was the goal. Tiger Woods. >> And but the the thing right there is. like your kid is going to be born with. certain things and you can if they have. that like ambition, that hunger and that. resilience, you can give them some tough.

love and maybe make a champion out of. them. But some of them don't. And I. think that you could break a kid like. that, too. >> That's a tricky thing I always think. with with, you know, my daughter is like. >> and any future kids is I don't I don't. know if I don't I don't have that at. this point in my life. I don't have. that. I need to make you into something. >> You shouldn't. >> I I I just kind of. >> You got to let them be themselves. Yeah. >> Cuz they all are going to have the the. worst thing is like say if you have a. kid and you love baseball and you force. your [ __ ] kid to play baseball, you. got to go to baseball practice and you.

force your kid to play professionally. >> Yep. >> You know, I was lucky. I was ambitious. and I had parents that just supported. the things that I was ambitious about. So if I wanted to hoop, they were like, "All right, let's go play basketball.". And my dad was like, "Let's go every. single day. Whatever you want to do, like let's go." But I never felt this. like this stage mom or dad presence. where they were they were going, "Hey, you missed four shots today. Let's. review those shots that you missed and. let's figure out ways that you can't do. it." Right. >> Like kind of let me have that on my own. >> Yeah. >> I don't need you to insert your ambition. into me. I feel like that's kind of.

selfish in a lot of ways. >> It is. And it's also it's like you got. to know when the line is like maybe they. do want advice. Like maybe they are. trying to get better at this thing. But. you have to have the kind of. communication with your kid would be. like, "Do you do you want some help? >> Want me to help you?". >> Yeah. >> You know, like like I can I can give you. some information. Like say if your kid. wanted to like if your kid want to do. standup and your kids started doing. standup and you know they're bombing and. you're like um. >> do you want me to talk to you? >> Do you want to talk? You want to just. work this out on your own? Like you have.

to have that kind of open level of. communication with your kids where they. can tell you like hey just leave me the. [ __ ] alone right now. Okay. >> Okay. just I know you bombed, you know, it sucks. >> Yeah. >> I can tell you about my bombs. I bombed. a lot. >> I'll tell you what what I learned. I got. better after the bombing. Like it's like. it sucks, but it's actually good for. you. >> So, you're delicate with your kids. >> Yeah, you have to be. I have daughters. >> Yeah. >> You know, if I had a son, I'd beat the. [ __ ] out of him. Take take him to. jiu-jitsu. Make sure that he knows I can. kill him with my bare hands.

>> God, you got daughters, bro. Maybe maybe. we needed Rogan to have that. Maybe. that's your destiny, man. Maybe that. softens you up a little bit. >> It definitely does. Um, it just lets you. understand that they're so different. The the way they are, they're so. different. Like my friends that have. sons, they come home, the people are. lighting things on fire, they're picking. the cat up by its tail. Like. >> there's there's all these people who. don't have kids that have all these. opinions about gender and like what's. your. >> porn and all this other stuff. I don't. need to get into the whole gender. discussion, but like I see the way that. slightly older girls play with my.

daughter. >> So like my daughter's, you know, a. little over 20 months, right? So, the. three-year-olds and four-year-olds that. play with her, >> they're already kind of like mothering, right? >> They're like patient with her. >> They're delicate. They'll want to give. her a toy if she wants to give it back. They're fine. It's just like this. amazing thing. They're like, I don't. know how. Maybe they're watching their. mom do it to them, etc. But the boys. don't give a [ __ ]. >> right? And older boys will convince. younger boys to jump off the top bunk. >> in a second. >> Yeah. >> In a second. Yeah. >> My boy Jason got uh two kids, both boys.

And like you could tell if we weren't. there, the older kid is going to throw. the the younger kid wherever the hell he. wants to throw them. >> Like we got to constantly monitor. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> and that's something baked in. >> Yeah. >> Baked in. >> Yeah. They're like dogs. >> Yeah. >> Hey, hey, hey. >> That might be generous. >> Yeah. >> Even dogs would be nice with babies. >> Yeah. They're not Well, they're probably. okay with babies, but as soon as you can. start walking, you're on your own. They're going to trip you. >> Let's [ __ ] dance. It's if if it's a. 5-year-old to a 2-year-old, uh maybe.

But once you get to be three and four, [ __ ] you. And you know, it's also this. understanding that you keep getting. bigger. And like as like as time goes. on, like the younger ones, like if. someone's picking on you, you can pick. on someone younger than you. And like. there's especially if like four. brothers, like the toughest brother is. always the youngest brother. Like if. there's a bunch of fighters Yeah. They. went through it. If there's a bunch of. fighters and he has three older. brothers. >> Did John have three older brothers? No, John I think is the middle. I think.

Arthur is the oldest. He just died. Rest. in peace. >> And then John And then Chandler's. younger, right? Is that correct? >> John was the youngest. >> No. Yeah, you're right. >> Chandler's younger. >> Chandler's the youngest. But. >> big boys. >> Here's the thing. John's the only one. who became a legit fighter, but Chandler. was always like, I'll [ __ ] John up. Like. he said it publicly. Like that's how. they grow up. Well, you grew up in a. household with two super athletes as. brothers. >> I I just I I have empathy for their dad.

Like, imagine trying to discipline those. three guys when they're like 16, >> right? Good luck. Good luck. >> I sat next to them when we were at the. uh. >> 65. >> No, no, no. They're just they're just. different. Is different. >> And their their grandmother is John told. me is where the genetics come from. Oh, really? He goes, "This is my grandma.". And he introduced me his grandmother. I'm like, "Yo, his grandmother's She's. big. She's big, man. Big lady. >> Yeah, we sat next to them at the uh at.

the Spear fight. >> Ah, >> and they're all having the best time. They're just like. >> Yeah, John's always having a good time. I like he's wearing cowboy hats now. He's leaning into. >> dude. He's so funny. >> He's the sheriff. >> It's funny how he like he's like, you. know, they were trying to pressure him. to fight Tom Aspenol. >> Is he going to fight? Like, what's the. deal? >> Who knows? >> That's part of the fun. >> I feel like, you know, >> he's he's doing what a pool hustler. does. >> That's what I was about to Oh, that's. what he's doing. Like I guarantee you if. John really thinks that he's fighting in. June, he's already in camp.

>> Oh, so he's making it seem like he's not. potentially. >> I would imagine that John is preparing. cuz So like John has different places to. train. You know, he doesn't just train. at one place, but I could imagine he. does a lot of weightlifting, too. He got. a lot of put on a lot of like real. muscle mass when he went up to. heavyweight. >> Heavyweight. Yeah. >> If John really thinks he's going to. fight uh Alex Pereira, he's getting. ready. Yeah, >> he's at least getting ready in his mind. >> Would it be Alex or you think it would. be really? So, not so the Tom ship has. sailed. >> The big No, it hasn't sailed. But the.

big money fight is Alex and Jon Jones at. the White House. Are you [ __ ] kidding. me? >> Yeah. >> Catchweight. Make it 225. >> You know, Alex still is the light. heavyweight champion. Make it a. catchweight fight. It don't have to be. for a title. Make it the bad. [ __ ] upper edition. You know, you have the BMF belt for 155ers. Who's. the real BMF? Yeah. You know, do you. think one of those guys could beat Alex. Pereira? You think you get 155 pounder. in there against Alex Pereira? >> Max Holloway survive against Alex Pere.

No, shut the [ __ ] up. That's the bad. [ __ ]. >> That's the only heavyweight. >> we need. We need to do a like drop you. on your [ __ ] head, man. You don't. want to wrestle that dude. >> That's is funny about that. They're. relationship. The kindest, sweetest guy. and And he's an animal. A full animal. when he fights. >> That'd be a wild thing, man. That'd be a. wild thing. >> The Jon Jones Alex Pereira fight would. probably be the biggest fight in human. history. >> I mean, that White House.

>> in MM but in as a matchup, you got the. greatest of all time in Jon Jones and. arguably the most destructive striker. that's ever competed. >> Yeah. >> No one's like that guy. >> That Ankoliah fight, >> he was like, "Fuck you, >> dude." I I it was such a And again, I. don't know what's going through Uncle. Alive's head at this moment, right? But. I know what I'm thinking. I'm like, if. I'm Uncle, it's like, I out struck this. guy in the first time that they fought. He's going to be cautious. >> Yeah. >> And I'm going to be able to walk him.

down. And I remember the second the bell. rings, he runs right at him and he. throws like maybe like like a one, two, one, and I think the the right is to the. body. And you could see Uncle go, "Whoa, I did not expect the first five seconds. of this fight to go this way.". >> He came out hot and closed distance real. quick. >> immediately. And it was a great like. it's it's a testament to like um. somebody had said this before especially. in MMA it's like when somebody gets not. nervous or but or like when you shake. somebody out of their like natural. instinct they revert back to what. they're most comfortable doing. So it's.

like if you're like a wrestling guy your. whole life and then you learn how to. strike. The second something goes a. little bit you know out of whack you're. going to revert back to your wrestling. I think it might have been DC that said. I forget exactly who was I saying but. like you revert back to what you're most. comfortable with. DC said it right. >> Okay. And um but I thought the most. interesting thing about that fight is. the punch that Pereira lands that stuns. him is this looping right. >> Nobody's training for Pereira's right. >> Right. Well, that's what he threw right. away. That was the first punch. It was a. straight right. >> But he went to the body. >> Yeah, it was long. This is long straight.

right he started off the fight with. >> But when he lands this like looping. right there, >> it's not that one. It's a little bit. after that. So what he did is he set him. up and then got his foot in proper. position where he could step inside of. him and Uncle was ready for one thing. And Pereira, watch this. >> If you see where he sets it up, a guy. did a really good breakdown of it. I'll. watch it again. >> He broke his foot there. Right there. >> Yeah, >> that kick. He hit the shin and he broke.

his toe. >> Yeah, I think he gets Uncle to switch. stances. Well, he's just putting mad. pressure on him. He's putting mad. pressure on him that you don't see from. him too often. >> Yeah. >> And it's time. >> And he just dips in. and drops a [ __ ] hammer on him. Here. it is. Boom. >> So he wrestling. >> Ankal started moving to the right to.

Pereira's right when he put pressure on. him. And that's why and because. everybody's scared of the left. The. movement with Pereira is don't ever walk. to your right because that's walking. into his left hook. >> Circle away. >> So circle away. So their idea was we're. going to circle away. And Pereira was. like, I bet you're going to circle away. Yeah. >> And he just stomped him. >> And this, >> you could tell he enjoyed it. >> Yeah. Because he was sick. The first. fight he was sick. >> He was 100% sick. He was sick as a dog.

the entire camp. >> I didn't know that. But I also. >> his coach told me after the fight like. after he just knocked out Uncle Live, he. goes, "Let me tell you something. First. camp, he was so sick, bro. He was so. sick. Like he he he could barely eat.". >> Really? >> Yeah. He I I think I said virus, but I. think it's norovirus. I think that's. going. And he also [ __ ] up his hand. He had a really badly hurt left hand in. that fight. >> That's the money maker. >> And then when you see this, like that's. what you get when you get a fully in. shape and healthy Alex. You get stomped.

>> Yeah. But these guys are never fully. healthy. Like anytime I was just talking. to uh I believe his name is Paul Hughes. >> Do you know him? He just fought uh it's. PFL. He fought a guy. I think he fought. uh. >> Usman. >> Usman. Yeah. >> Yeah. And uh for the second time, the. first fight was like contested. It was a. close fight. In the second, >> if you're a Ner Nurmagoff, if you're you. know, you're in the Kabib camp. Yeah. I. mean, come on, son. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's real [ __ ] But the first carry that.

last name around. >> it's there's a lot of responsibility. >> Kabib Namedov might be like the greatest. name in the history of like grappling. MMA fighting. Like you you've got. Kabib's last name. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. If you saw that on a lineup in a. jiu-jitsu tournament or something, you'd. be like. >> Ner Manov. Oh god. >> You like you would just have a thousand. yards still like [ __ ] Anyway, like he. fought him again and like, >> you know, he was like, "Yeah, I was. dealing with a bunch of, you know, some. I was dealing with some stuff in campus,

but I don't want to make excuses because. we're always dealing with some stuff.". He was like, he was like, "He's probably. dealing with stuff like that guy." I. mean, it was it was a close fight, but I. thought that uh he came out to the show. in Dubai. And I was like, and he was. like uh. >> he was like, he's like, "Yeah, he's just. like really good. He's just like a. really good guy." And I thought that I. could get him. I think I still can. Maybe happens one day in the future. But. I was this honest approach where where. he was basically saying we're always a. little injured. We're fighters. >> Like naturally in training camp, you're. going to hurt something. You're going to. tweak something. Now granted, you got.

[ __ ] neuro virus. This is a little. bit different than like your, you know, shoulder sore, right? >> But like everybody's dealing with a. little [ __ ]. >> 100%. Look at Connor. He came into that. fight with Dustin Poria with a broken. shin already. >> Didn't give a [ __ ]. >> Well, he just thought it's not that. broken. >> Yeah. >> He's like, Dude, Connor is like reaching. final form like as a promoter. It's like. he's already so prolific obviously as a. fighter, etc., but like watching him do. the BKFC. I kind of just want to go to. see him hype up fights. Like I want to. go to the press conference where he's.

just like, what was he saying? He's. like, "And if you don't win, we're. firing you on the spot to Mike Perry.". And Mike's like, "What did I what why. why did I do? I'm just getting punched. in the face.". >> He's like chest bumping the guys who. were fighting. Like he's not even. fighting yet. >> He's like It's like Dana calling out the. guys. >> Yeah. What are you doing? What are you. doing? >> What is that entertaining? I want to. watch one of them BKFC. >> I want to know if it's real or if he's. really on the most potent Bolivian. marching powder, like the purest of the. pure.

>> Whatever he's on, I need to try it. I. mean, >> or is it an act? I mean, maybe he's just. duping us all. What is he saying here? >> Look at this guy here. Look at him. >> Me and in front of me, some of the. baddest men and women to ever grace. planet Earth. This is what we're about. here at Bernuckle Fighting Championship. the alien of combat sport. And may we. rise above the night sky and rain down. blows viciously on all our deniers and. announce here today that Bare Knuckle FC.

has no love for the big glove. So let's. go. Let's go Florida and let's announce. incredible. Hold on. Let me no love for. the big greatest promoter of all time. >> That's what I'm saying. Like we got to I. know a lot of people do Coke and they're. not that entertaining. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. That's that's. charisma. >> You got to have something in you for the. Coke to bring it out. >> That's why they won't let him run for. president in Ireland. >> because it'd be that [ __ ] will. win. Imagine that. That kind of speech.

in Ireland, bro. He could be the he. could be the president of Ireland. tomorrow, >> bro. >> If he wanted to be the president of. Ireland, if they let him let him let him. go on the campaign tour, let him talk. like that in front of packed arenas, >> it's over. Come on our podcast, Connor. We'll make it happen, >> bro. Who else can. >> we control the election? Just the three. of us. We need to charge more for ads. We need. to charge more for ads since we can. decide the fate of the free world. Only. us. Nothing else happening.

>> You know, it's funny. He's like, anything bad happens, it's our fault. And then like Trump will like stop a war. in the Middle East and nobody's going, "Thank you, Joe. Thank you, Schultz. Thank you, Theo.". >> Do you think he stopped? >> Credit for the good. >> I think that's a fazy stoppage. I think. that uh I think that he stopped I think. he stopped what Israel is doing to Gaza. for the time being. >> and he got hostages back. >> He got hostages back. So it's like. the but the way I look at it is like I. think that you need to give him credit.

and I I like calling balls and strikes, bro. If he does something I don't like, I'm going to call it out. And then. people get upset at that [ __ ] for some. reason. They're like, "Oh, but how did. you not know this was going to happen?". I was like, "Oh my god, do we not do we. not understand that when you vote for. somebody, they're going to do some. things that you don't like and they're. going to do some things that you do?". Like again, there's no nuance on the. internet, but like I don't think that. this is what BB Netanyahu wanted. I. don't think that and I think it's what. Trump wanted. I think Trump went I want. to stop it. And you could make arguments.

for like, oh, he wants to get the Nobel. Peace Prize or whatever the [ __ ] you. want to say, but like he wanted it. And. he created a situation where BB was. dependent on him. Trump's more popular. in Israel than BB. And if BB wants. re-election, he's got to play nice with. Trump. >> Really? >> 100%. >> Trump is more popular in Israel than. Netanyahu. >> 100% 100%. Whoa. >> There was an article in the New Yorker. that just said about this. It's like. BB's I know. I know. >> But like but like BB's political future. is dependent on Trump. >> Wow. >> 100%. So it's like. >> that's crazy. >> They created a situation and then he.

just went around everybody. Like it's. almost like he's better at government. over there where you're dealing with. dictators. >> because he could just say, "What do you. want?". >> And then they go, "Uh, like uh some some. planes." He goes, "All right, we got. planes. I'll give you some planes. All. right, you do this for me." It's that. transactional and it works on the global. stage in that regard. They got to stop. Now, granted, it's a deal between Trump, BB, and Hamas. >> It could go wrong, >> right? But it seems to me the only. person that got what they wanted out of.

it, it's not what Hamas wanted. It's not. what BB wanted. And BB's folks in. government, it's what Trump wanted. >> So I'm like, you got to give credit to, you know, credit is due. In my personal. opinion, it's like he doesn't he doesn't. want any more bloodshed. He wants to say. that he stopped this thing. >> Let him rally off some dubs. >> Did you see Israel bombed Lebanon today? >> Well, you got to stop that one. >> Yeah, >> they did. Where? It bombed a weapons. depot. Crazy fireball. Oh my goodness. >> All right. Well, we got to put a stop to.

all that [ __ ]. >> Um, this was uh what is what did what. did they say? Anything about the target, Jamie? You should see it. You should see. the video. It's nuts because it's a. munitions place. >> Oh, so you get the extra. >> Oh, look at that. >> Yeah, that's Michael fireball, man. I. mean, that's crazy. >> Yeah. >> And there's a bunch of secondary um. explosions on the ground, right? So. those secondary explosions are all the. munitions going off. >> Hezbollah. >> Yeah. >> Um incident marked the latest strikes.

and almost unbroken pattern of daily. Israel attacks on Lebanese territory. since the ceasefire deal was struck in. November of 2024 after more than a year. of fierce hostilities accumulated in two. months of open war. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, man. >> Bro. >> Anyway, >> it's like your little brother that keeps. dragging you into fights. It's like, bro, come on. >> Right. Like, who are we beefing with? What are we doing? >> Yeah. >> But also, you really don't want him. having all those weapons either.

>> I don't really know to be honest with. you. But like, I do think that we're. allowed to have an opinion on there's. this idea like we're not allowed to. opinion. It's like we're fun and [ __ ]. We get an opinion on it. Plain and. simple. >> The idea that we shouldn't have an. opinion is ridiculous. You should always. have opinions. Your opinions could be. uninformed. They're still your opinions. Like, you're allowed to have opinions. You're allowed to have the dumbest. [ __ ] opinion in the world and other. people go, "That's a really dumb. opinion." Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're. allowed to have opinions. >> This idea that you shouldn't talk about. opinions, like shut the [ __ ] up. >> Yeah, this is the whole point. This is. why we get to say whatever the [ __ ] we. want. >> Well, it's it's a secret thing. >> Us and Saudi Arabia.

>> Yeah. It's. >> just It's just us in Saudi Arabia, by. the way. We are the We are the best. ones, by the way. Yes. >> Yeah. >> What was that experience like going over. there, >> man? It was so It was like I've. performed in the Middle East before, so. like you've done a bunch of shows out. there. >> Yeah. Like it's just not Everybody make. this big thing like, "Oh my god, it's. going to be so crazy, blah, blah." I I. post them. I told you I like I posted my. set cuz people were saying all this [ __ ]. like, "Oh, I didn't change anything and. all these comics were doing." I'm like, "All right, well, I'll show you. This is. what I did. >> You tell me if I took it easy on them. You tell me if I cared." And people made.

all this [ __ ] big deal about like, "Oh, they made you sign a list of things. you can't say." And it's just like, do. you really think the [ __ ] king cares. about the clowns coming to the festival? Like, you think he really gives a [ __ ]. about that [ __ ]. >> No. Like, >> well, he would care if it was. humiliating. It's some middle guy who's. like, I don't want to get in trouble, so. I'm going to say they do that [ __ ]. anywhere you go. They did that [ __ ] when. I was in UAE. I didn't [ __ ] look at. it. I'll never look at a list once in my. life. I'll perform wherever my fans are. I don't give a [ __ ] Like, that's my. take on it is like. >> I'm going to perform wherever my fans. are. I don't give a [ __ ] what their.

governments do. I'm going to perform for. my fans. Simple as that. That's what it. is. I just happen to have fans over. there. There are a lot of guys who like. can't perform outside of Brooklyn who. are like, I would never go. It's like no. one was asking you, >> right? No one's inviting you. >> Yeah. >> You also don't have to, >> right? But it might be different if you. got like tons of DMs of people going, "Please come out here. We've been. watching your special. We've been doing. all these things." You're like, "Oh, that'd be really awesome to come perform. for you guys.". >> But the idea is you're being paid by a. dictator. >> Good. My fans get a discount. >> It's not like they didn't It's not like.

they didn't have to pay for the tickets. You know what I mean? Like there's just. a little added on top from the family. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Yeah. >> So, it is what it is, bro. This comic. out there said the funniest It's [ __ ]. up. He said the funniest [ __ ] now. I was. like, "Yeah." So, what do you think. about them, you know, you know, chopping. up that journalist? He goes, "They. chopped up one journalist so women can. drive.". >> Oh, no. I was dying, bro. I was, bro, we. were out there. It was so funny. That is. true. Like NBS, that's not true. What.

you said, but it is true that NBS is the. reason why we drive. Yeah. >> The other guy, the NBM was the guy who. was going to be more conservative, >> but yeah. So it's like it's uh it was so. funny because like when we were out. there like there are chicks driving now. obviously. You know what I mean? >> How are they doing? >> Well, we got in one accident, two female. drivers. >> They're new at it, >> bro. So, it's like we got out the car. and you could see the look on their. faces, the parts of their faces you. could see and uh and you could they were.

just like, "Damn, man. Everybody's going. to know." And it was uh but it's funny. They said, um, they get the girls all. like Chinese cars. And I was like, why. do they why do they drive the Chinese. cars? And they're like, it's the. cheapest cars. They're just figuring. this [ __ ] out. >> Started driving. Like imagine you're 50. and you just start driving tomorrow. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Like that's crazy. >> No, they figured that [ __ ] out. But. yeah, it was fun, man. I don't know. Like I don't even know if people care. because like you see this [ __ ] online. and like everybody feels like they need. an opinion on it. I even see comics.

going like a lot of people have been. asking my opinion on so like I need to. give your [ __ ] opinion. >> Have they really been asking like what. are you talking about? >> Nobody's asking a [ __ ] opinion. It's. almost to the point and then I ask like. any regular people they're like they. don't really care because they're. watching like the six best tennis guys. perform in Saudi this weekend. >> and golfers and race. and boxing and everything. So it's just. like how much do you and they just put a. billion dollars into like a Hollywood. movie studio. Uh. >> oh. So I'm I'm like I'm screenshotting.

>> Everybody who talks I'm screenshot cuz. I'm waiting for you to do a movie with. it. >> I'm waiting. I'm petty. I don't forget. You forgive. You know what I mean? You. have somebody on your pod who had. someone on their pod talking [ __ ]. >> You're better than me. >> Yeah. >> You're better than me. >> You got to be able to just let things. go. >> I can't wait for Gavin Newsome to go on. Bad Friends. >> I can't I I I want to see the I'm. distancing myself from the Rogan Sphere. tour. Uh, that's. >> first stop. Bad friends. >> That's hilarious.

>> I thought that was corny. >> Yeah, >> I thought it was corny. >> Yeah, we talked about that. Um, I don't. know. It is what it is. >> You You're more forgiven. >> There's no time that you should in my. mind, no time that you should be. spending on these kind of conflicts. It's like pointless. It's wasted energy. >> Yeah, but it's fun to talk some [ __ ]. Well, you know, when when I decided um. to talk [ __ ] about Marin was after the. Theo thing. After Theo kind of went off. the rails. Yeah.

>> And Theo went off the rails right after. Marin put him in his special. >> Yeah. >> You know, >> you know, my issue with that joke in the. special, it was just like what Twitter. says. >> Uhhuh. >> It wasn't even like a creative. It was just like literally what every. tweet would say. >> Meanwhile, it's one of the funniest. jokes he's ever made because it's. oppression of a really funny guy. >> Exactly. Yeah, you got to rely on Theo's. impression. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But yeah, I just I don't know. Like my my whole thing with Marin is. like I think that like people outside of.

comedy have this idea of him, but like. everybody inside comedy knows he's a. piece of [ __ ] and they've known it for. years. And like this is not just like. us. >> No. >> You know, like there's that I mean. there's that great like John Stewart. story about their thing which is like I. don't even know if people know but like. John took that MTV show and Maron like. ripped him for how you sell out you. pieces. How dare you do it. And then. when John leaves to go do another show, guess who takes over that same show? >> Marin. That's who we're dealing with. So it's. like it's one of these things where like. inside the game, we all know who the.

pieces of [ __ ] are and we just go, "Ugh." We roll our eyes. >> This is how Mark Maron works. He sees. you get successful. He feels bad. So he. comes up with a reason why you're bad. >> Exactly. And he'll find some like. intellectualization of it to justify his. bitterness. >> You want to know what he hit me with. with fear factor? >> What he said? You're taking jobs away. from comedians who would be writing on. sitcoms. >> How? How? What? How? >> Because I'm doing a a reality show. So. the reality show which was number one.

show in the country would have would. have if it didn't exist. >> That was a Trump moment right there. >> Number one. >> It was the best. But when the idea was. that somehow or another this is stealing. it's like the dumbest justification. where you didn't you didn't look at it. at all. You didn't you didn't have any. insight. You didn't like step back and. go okay let me reflect on this. It. doesn't make any sense because it. doesn't make any sense because those. people are doing a job outside of comedy. just like me. I'm doing a job outside of.

comedy too. >> But you can't even give it any credence. It's like the guy every criticism he has. he's guilty of. like he's like, "How. dare you have presidents on the pod and. have fun with them?" And it's like, "You. had Obama before anybody. You started. this. >> You didn't ask Obama anything about. [ __ ] drone strikes or whatever." And. frankly, and I love Obama. I just want. to point that out. Like I I actually. really do. And I know there's probably. [ __ ] up [ __ ] that anybody in power got. to do, but like I genuinely I liked him. >> I love him as a statesman. I think he. was the best statesman we've ever had. >> You just felt good. You just felt good. >> We felt like he's a great representative. of America. He's as intelligent and.

measured as anybody who's ever held the. office. better than any like Clinton. when he was young was really good. I. think Obama was another level. I think. Obama was another level. >> Anyway, so but it's like yeah, you did. it. You did the thing. You did the exact. same thing. Talk all this [ __ ] about. like oh. >> we just had him on recently. He didn't. ask him anything. >> Of course he did. >> Anything like like would you have. repealed the Smith Munt Act? >> The consequences of. >> No, not cuz we know cuz we're inside.

>> Well, this is the thing. He like. positions himself as this intellectual, but he doesn't say anything interesting. >> Yeah, I think. >> there's nothing that guy ever says where. I'm like, "Wow, that's a unique insight. [ __ ] never. It's childish with a good. vocabulary.". >> No, I think he's a he's think he's a. smart guy. I think he's probably smarter. than he is funny. I think that drives. him crazy. >> Yeah, but he's also too obsessed with. himself to be reflective enough to. understand like why other people don't. like him. Wait, you're saying the guy. who talks by himself for 5 minutes.

before the president comes on 15. minutes. If it wasn't for fast forward, there would be no Marus. >> Yeah. >> And that was the rant. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Just the rant. Imagine. >> But anyway, so it's just like. >> the rant is what killed the show, by the. way. >> If he didn't have the rant, he probably. wouldn't be like bottom 200. >> I think I think better shows came out. And it's just like that's just the. nature. >> There's that, too. But it's also like. he's not that good at talking to people. He's not nice. >> So, I don't know. My my whole feeling. about it is just like we know like we. know who the pieces of [ __ ] are in our.

industry, right? And like we're aware of. it because we've seen them from the. jump. Like if if I'm sitting down with a. comedian, right, and like this is why I. don't [ __ ] with a lot of them is like if. you immediately start talking [ __ ] about. your co-host to me when I'm sitting down. with you, like I I got to start. questioning your integrity a little bit. It's like that's your boy. Like why are. you shit-talking your boy to me? >> Right. >> So it's Yeah, but you saw this. >> a lot of these guys, man. You saw it. You saw a lot of these guys. You saw and. they and it's and it's like I think a. lot of this is just salvation to be.

honest with you. >> Yeah. >> It's like they see an internet trend and. I think that like like right now there's. this internet trend. Oh the [ __ ]. manosphere blah blah blah blah. And I. think I see guys who you were very. generous to, like you lent your. platform, your millions of followers, the biggest show on the planet, helped. them make tons of money, help them. really have success, build their own. platforms. And now they see like an. internet trend about like the. manosphere, whatever. And I see guys. like trying to create a little. separation. >> I see all of a sudden it's like, yeah,

you you you use this guy to make. millions of dollars and get all these. fans, and now you see online outrage, and you're like, oh no, that's them. That's not me. It's like you had no. problem being part of the Avengers. You. know what I mean? You had no problem. being in the photos. You had no problem. before. And now you see a little [ __ ]. going on. You separate. I feel like. that's the moment you double down for. your boy. >> That's the moment you go, I know that. person. What people are saying about him. isn't real. >> and you refute that. That's what I would. do. >> I mean, whatever. >> There's a lot of cowards out there in. the world.

>> And it's just they're scared. >> They're scared. And this is like a a. time of real attacks. Like in the past, like say in the '9s or something like. that, if you supported Andrew Dice Clay. or something like that, like you didn't. really get any heat. Nobody cared. You. could do an interview and you're like, I. think DICE is hilarious. You wouldn't. like lose sponsors. You wouldn't the. nothing would happen. But now there'll. be like an organized campaign to try to. take you out. >> Oh yeah. With bots. >> Yeah. >> Like people don't even think the bots. thing is. >> Well, you pay for it. You can hire them.

>> And why? And there's other countries. that are involved in that [ __ ] too. Not. to be like it's not even conspiratorial, but like I think a little bit that's. what the comedy festival, the Riad thing. was a little bit. >> probably. >> because it was so peculiar. It's like. they're so they're already so entrenched. into like our entertainment and then all. of a sudden we went out and I think. sometimes something gets a little bit of. buzz and then people, you know, send the. bots to create a little friction or. separation. >> and. >> and then people hop on board. >> Exactly. They pile on. >> They have to see there. >> I had Palmer Lucky on the podcast. yesterday and he was discussing that. He.

was discussing these like organized. campaigns and how it's affecting. people's minds. >> Well, it's just that this is part of. like what China does to keep us at each. other's throats. Yeah. It's it's. literally a strategy. >> And people are so stupid that they're. going to let a 30-cond TikTok dictate. their opinions about the world. >> Like, they're not factchecking. They're. not doing anything about it. Like, and. the there are people that like consider. themselves journalists that will do it. >> 100%. >> Like, there's this this little Nepo. baby. He's like Kennedy's grandkid or. some [ __ ] like that that was like.

talking all this [ __ ] about and one. thing he said is that like. >> cuz I called him a neo baby cuz he never. had a job. I don't care if your dad's. but if you never had a real job like you. know like like what the why are you. telling people who have real jobs what. to do and how they should vote and what. they should do with their lives like you. don't know how much the elector Yeah. You're a child. >> And then he goes oh Schultz is you know. married into the Turner dynasty like my. my wife's made name is Turner. He thinks. that my wife's family is like Turner, Ted Turner. Like this is this is a guy.

who his job is journalist. >> He calls himself a journal. And he. couldn't even do the bare minimum Rick. He saw another Tik Tok that said. something that's completely untrue. The. Turner dynasty. I mean, it'll be nice. [ __ ] Let's go, Ted. Cough it up if. you've been hiding. But like, this is. the level. This is the level of. discourse. And then that [ __ ] hits Tik. Tok and then people start repeating. things like there's just so much fake. [ __ ]. >> Well, the dumb thing is you were already. rich when you got married. Like like how.

much. >> The dumb thing is not her family. >> It's not her family. But even if it was. if you married the child of a rich. family, you were already rich. Like it. didn't it was stupid. Yeah, >> it's stupid. Like this is why he made. No, no, no, [ __ ]. >> He was already famous. Shut the [ __ ] up. >> It just it just doesn't make any sense. And you see these narratives, they take. hold and then they just become reality. >> Uhhuh. >> And and it's one of those things like. you can't fight the internet. >> No. >> You know, it's just like people say. things and then they just become.

>> they like just become reality. It's like. fascinating. And like I've seen it. happen with you and then I think that. there's like there's obviously these. different levels in comedy. So you don't. imagine it happening to yourself and. then you're in it. >> Uhhuh. >> And Yeah. It's just wild, man. It's just. wild. Like the like there's there's this. there's these people who say that like. uh I remember when I bought back the. special and then I then I sold it. >> Yes. >> And then they're like he sold and then. he put it out on YouTube. It's like. there's literally a video of me going if. you can't afford it, steal it.

>> And if you can't figure out how to steal. it, >> I'll put it up on YouTube. >> It's like I can't be more clear, >> right? >> But it's a way funnier narrative to be. like, "Oh, this is what happened. Blah. blah blah blah blah." It's just like. guys like. >> he got your money and then he put it up. for free on YouTube and he's got more. money. >> I'm saying steal it if you can't afford. it and then I'm going to put it up on. YouTube in the future and it's like what. do I do in that situation? >> Listen man, I went to see SpaceX launch. uh on Monday. Jamie and I went down. there. We went down to South Texas,

watched the rocket launch. >> It's one of the most impressive things. I've ever seen in my life. I got a tour. of the SpaceX facility. One of the most. impressive things I've ever seen in my. life. I sat with Elon in the command. studio where they're going over the. rocket as it's flying to Australia. We. watched it live using Starlink. satellites, 60 different [ __ ] cameras. of every sing monitoring every single.

aspect of the internal pressure of the. chambers and all these different things. >> And then I was watching a video of. someone calling him a [ __ ] I think. he's a [ __ ] This guy was like, I. think he's a [ __ ] His rockets keep. blowing up. Like the rockets are. literally blowing up on purpose because. they're testing the parame they're. testing what are the tolerances of these. structures. >> Oh, so they're pushing the limit to. >> 100%. He's like, we know we're going to. blow some up, but they they can produce. rockets so much faster than NASA.

And you think he's a [ __ ] but it. doesn't matter. It's not real. Like I I. saw comedians say that he was a Nazi. >> Yeah. >> He's a Nazi because he said, "My heart. goes out to you." Yeah. He because he. did the thing that they all do. >> Right. Right. Right. It look It looked. crazy. >> Looked crazy. >> It looked crazy. But. >> looks very aggressive. >> Doing the thing doesn't make you a Nazi. >> No. >> Believing what Nazis believe makes you a. Nazi. Yeah. >> And I think that's the separation. I. think they're like. >> once you have an idea of somebody, you.

can't wait to confirm it. And the. internet is full of 30second clips that. will confirm whatever you believe. >> and they will be sent right to your. phone. Like this is what I've been. thinking about recently. It's like. remember when um like cigarettes came. out or even like fast food when we were. growing up was fast food unhealthy? It. was just food. >> It was just food. >> We just ate it as food. This generation. knows that it's unhealthy. They don't. stop eating it, but at least they're. aware, right? They know the nutrition. facts. We're about to go through what I. think is like that with internet.

content. >> Yes. If a video gets sent to your phone. from an account you don't follow, the. immediate reaction should be like, "This. is a Big Mac." I'll indulge in it, but. it's not nutritious, >> right? >> Do you know what I mean? Like, there's a. reason why it's being sent, right? It's. going to confirm whatever biases I have. It's either going to scare me or it's. going to make me really happy. There's. going to be this dopamine release. >> And I think that we need to start. realizing that. Like, the second I see. any video on the internet now outside of. peanut butter, peanut butter, I love. love my man peanut butter. But like I'm.

I'm immediately skeptical. I'm like, "What exactly is happening here? Why is. this being sent to me? What is this. confirming?" Like that's my immediate. reaction. I think that the next. generation, at least kids, will. definitely look at things like that. I. hope. >> I think a big factor is podcasts. >> because we talk about this stuff and. they might not be talking about it with. their friends. Their friends might not. know. And so when we're talking like. don't trust everything. You need to. understand a lot of this is outrage. farming. They're doing it on purpose and.

they're doing it specifically to try to. get us at each other's throats. Don't. fall into it. Don't be a sucker. >> Don't be a sucker. You know, >> or there's people that are like they're. just doing it because they need views. and clicks, >> you know? Like this is. >> and that's something that I realized is. like there's this like there's this like. beautiful little time in comedy where. like you're everybody's hero, right? Because you're the unsung hero. Like. everybody feels like they they're the. only ones that know about you. >> Mh. and they are the only ones that know.

what you're doing and like everybody's. riding and then you do eventually some. people if you're lucky enough or. fortunate enough to transcend it where. like your name can be part of pop. culture and the benefit of that is like. you get to provide for your family. You. get to live your dreams. You get to do. [ __ ] arenas. It's amazing. There's a. negative that we have to put up with. I'm not [ __ ] complaining. It's. awesome. But like the negative is your. name can be attached to any story. Your. pictures attached to any story. Like, bro, I saw there was a video on the. internet where it was like Joe Rogan uh.

ripping on his guests and it's a picture. of me and you and I'm like, when the. [ __ ] did this happen? Like, I watched. the video, we ain't even in it together. >> Yeah. All the time. >> It's it's you and it's you and like what. the guy who was didn't understand like. if if you're born a man or a woman, I. forget what it was. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's But it's like that guy's face isn't. going to get clicks, >> right? me and you. >> homies going at it is gonna get right. So it's like that is the internet in a. microcosm. >> And I'm not saying that like you need to.

I'm I believe maybe more personal. accountability. Like I'm not saying we. should make the internet change what it. is. The internet's going to be what it. is. We just got to be aware of what. we're consuming. Don't ban fast food. Just be aware that when you eat a Big. Mac, you might not feel as good as when. you eat a [ __ ] chicken salad. >> It's not healthy. But have fun. You want. to watch like Colombian assassinations. and grainy security video cameras? >> Have at it. >> Have at it. >> I like it too. >> I like to watch I I mean I look at my. phone. It's mostly like assassinations. and tits. >> Bro, it the the the amazing thing about.

it is like nobody thinks they have. radical thoughts because they're so. normalized, >> right, >> by every video confirming your thought, >> right? >> So it's like I used to think like and. feet was unique. You know what I mean? Right. I scroll on. Instagram for a little bit and I'm like, we all into this. There's refined. cultural people out there. And I think. that's it with every political idea. That's it with every cultural idea. We.

are 100% rewarded in what we think and. then people say [ __ ] out loud and then. it becomes like a crazy. >> story. Yes. >> Yeah. I honestly I think that's what. happened to a lot of folks with with. Riot is that like there was a lot of. comics that were in that like stage. before pop culture and they got their. first experience of like internet. backlash because they're like. >> like Jessica Kershan. >> Jessica who's [ __ ] hilarious. I'm. sure you've got like like literally. hilarious. >> I've had her on a bunch of times. I love. her.

>> Lesbian, >> very funny. >> Jewish, >> super nice person. >> Apparently crushed out there. >> Yeah, I heard she got a standing. ovation. >> Crushed. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, and like to me I'm like I've maybe made. a different view of these things. It's. like I think that like western culture. is so addictive like once you get taste. of this [ __ ] like this is what you want. And I think there's a version of looking. at this thing where like in 10 years. later they go yeah we need to we need to. have more of this and we need to have. more people making fun of us and we have. more people making fun of themselves and. this is this is beautiful like cultural. exchange that maybe that's like looking. through rosecolored glasses but that's.

how I look at these things. >> Yeah. Um, and I'm going and then she's. like, she's experiencing that backlash. cuz she never has. And I think she goes, I toiled in obscurity for decades being. hilarious but not having a fan base. I. finally got one. And then you feel that. internet backlash. You think that's real. and you're like, oh my god, I'm going to. lose everything that I've always. dreamed. I need to address this. >> When in reality, if you put your head. down for two weeks, >> goes away. >> Nobody will care. >> Yeah. >> No, there's a Chris Rock's quote. >> What does he say? I've heard somebody. say something similar that he says.

>> I thought you told me that actually. I. thought you said like I just don't look. at my phone. >> Well, I don't I don't. But Chris's take. on it was wait two weeks before you. respond to anything. Yeah. And most. likely to blow away. If it's still. around after 2 weeks, then address. >> make a comedy special about it. >> He made it a year. >> He stewed. He stewed on that [ __ ] He. kind of milked it in the best way. because if you think about it, he got to. tour that thing for a year and everybody. was showing up to those shows cuz. they're like, "Oh, I need to say. >> people were filming it though. That was.

the problem." Like some people pulled. out their [ __ ] phone and ruined the. fun. >> Yeah. >> But I get why he's like, "I might as. well tour this [ __ ] I'm not going to. just address it right now. Let's. >> 100%." Also, cook it. >> Like, make sure that bit is [ __ ] You. got the right seasoning in there. You. get that [ __ ] thing over the stove. Make that Sunday sauce, baby. Let's go. Make that ragu. Let's go. Yeah. >> It's a It's a It's a weird time for. comedy, man. >> It's a fun time for comedy. Ari Shafir. said it best. What did he say? He said,

"Comedy's dangerous again.". >> Yeah, >> this is what Ari loves. He loves chaos. >> That silly [ __ ] He loves when. things go. I love chaos, too, but not. that much. He [ __ ] He likes when the. city burns down cuz he'll put on a. backpack and go to Asia. He gets to just. dip. He really he dips. He's dipped. right now. I don't know where he is. He's He's hiding somewhere in the world. He'll he'll dip for like 3 4 months. Throws his phone away. He ruins our text. message thread because we got to protect. our parks and he turned he turned the.

whole thing green. So I opened up a new. text message thread. It's called [ __ ]. >> Ari. So it's just me and Norman and Shane. >> It's like he's he's a legit wild boy. But he said it right. He said uh. comedy's dangerous again. And it is. dangerous. But it's only dangerous if. you let it be. Like for for people like. Jessica, I wish she'd talked to me. I. would have said, "Don't listen to. anybody. Don't read the comments. [ __ ]. those people.". >> You what you're doing is the Lakota. people had a term called the Hayoka. And.

a Hayoka was a special member of society. that made fun of everybody. It was an. important part of their culture. He made. fun of the chief. He made fun of the. chief's wife. He made fun of everyone. And the idea was if you couldn't mock. something that it was [ __ ] And so. he was stress testing. Yeah. All of. these different things. So that was a it. was called a sacred clown. That was. their definition of what a hayoka is. >> This this is like built into American. culture. It's like. >> American culture specifically.

>> It's like why I want Trump to do the uh. what's that little like news. >> Yeah. White House press correspondenc. It's like why I want to do it because. look, we have a relationship with. government in America that from its. inception is antagonistic. >> Yes. >> Right. Like we fought the war because. we're like you don't get to tell us what. to do. And then we set up systems of. government that basically stopped one. person from telling us what to do and. then we had this great thing where once. a year the guy who's in charge, the most. powerful guy gets humbled in front of.

all of us. And it's this beautiful thing. that is like uniquely American. I know. there's somebody right now is in France. We've been doing this forever. Shut the. [ __ ] up. It to me it's uniquely us. It's. our thing. And I love the idea of like. humbling our heroes. It's why roast. work. It's why seeing like Tom Brady. whoever it was like on the roast it and. the more powerful, the more successful, the more that they've got, we like that. kind of humbling because we have that. antagonistic relationship with, you. know, the people in charge or even our.

heroes. It's a beautiful [ __ ] thing. And afterwards, we kind of embrace those. people even more. We appreciate that you. were taken to your knees, if you will, in that moment. >> Did you ever see when Jeff Ross and. Comedy Central, they roasted Trump? >> Yeah. Yeah. I've seen obviously clips. from. >> He had a conversation with Trump. >> What he said? >> He said, "Hey, when they're going after. you, just laugh. You got to laugh. You. got to smile. If they look over at you. and you got a serious look on your face, it's not good." He's like, "Okay, yeah, you're right." They realized he's like, "Yeah, you got to. >> you got to laugh. You got to let it go.

>> You got to let it go. >> And you know that's the White House. press correspondence. You got to be able. to let it go. >> Let it go. Let it rip. Make fun of him. Make fun of everybody. Make fun of the. press corp. But it's this beautiful, humbling thing. >> But the thing about Trump is like the. White House press correspondence thing. is literally why he became president in. the first place. >> Yeah, I remember that. >> when Obama was like, "Here's one thing. that I am that you'll never be president. of the United States.". >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, >> I mean, if that's how it works, Trump. will never have free healthcare.

>> You know, you just got You'll never do. that. I promise you. >> Yeah. >> You'll never stop every war, >> right? That's what you have to do. >> Yeah. >> You have to challenge them. >> But yeah, I just I think I think those. things are really important. I just. think they're important like cultural. institutions for us specifically. It. doesn't work the same in other places. that don't have that kind of. antagonistic relationship with. government, >> right? >> There are places that they just do not. have it. like they actually have like a. really grateful and appreciative. relationship. >> or their government doesn't have any.

free speech law. >> like England like what what what. England's going through right now is. crazy. >> That's the thing I was trying to tell. people is like when people keep talking. about free speech it's like stop acting. like that's the norm. We're the unique. ones. >> Yes. >> In Canada they don't have free speech. >> They have free freedom of expression or. something like that. >> Yeah. But it's carved out with like. certain things like hate crimes or hate. speech. I mean, hate speech is weird. because it's very subjective. >> Who defines it was hate. >> Exactly. >> Right. So, it's like and I remember when.

them truckers were protesting, they were. freezing the accounts like. >> there's just. Yeah. It's just a uniquely, you know, American thing which is amazing and we. need to like protect it at all cost. >> 100%. And we need to protect it and. propagate it through the world. We And. that's why we should get upset when. England starts cracking down on free. speech because that's a disease. And if. that disease spreads and if England. falls and all a sudden England is. essentially a totalitarian dictatorship, if they're a totalitarian dictatorship,

we're in real [ __ ] trouble, man. >> I don't think we are. But I get what. that I get that logic. Like I get this. idea that like things aren't right now. >> No, no. I mean like even I hear what. you're saying like and and trends do. build steam and then people ask for it. and they see other things working. I get. that. Like I think that makes sense like. >> functionally in the world, you know what. I mean? But like my [ __ ] is like I care. about American free speech. That's what. I go for. I'm an American. I want us to. be all good. If the other countries want. to get on board with it, all right, get. on board with it. That'd be great. >> The problem is they bring that [ __ ] over. here. Just like when people let me tell.

you something in the n like 2015 16 when. I started talking [ __ ] about uh college. campuses and people like what are you. worried about these kids on college. campuses with these Marxist ideas? I was. like they're going to graduate. Like I. I'm a I'm a person who sees like where. things are moving, which is why I got. out of California so early. I was like, I see where this is going. You got to. get the [ __ ] out now. This is not good. And I'm like, they're going to get out. of this school and they're going to. start working for corporations and it's. going to flood the country. Nonsensical.

ideas. >> They're going to positions of power. 100%. >> 100%. >> And these corporations are going to bend. to whatever, you know, makes them the. most money. >> Which is why it's dangerous if England. goes. If England goes, if England like. completely falls, like they just passed. the digital or they're trying to force. the digital ID on people and they have. arrested 12,000 people for social media. post and some of them are just critical. about the amount of immigration that's. coming in and they're putting them in. jail for this. >> Yeah. >> So, if that is a trend and that starts.

spreading through Europe and they lock. those people down because those people. don't have guns, they don't have free. speech laws, they don't have any of the. things that protect us. >> Yeah. So you're worried about them in. terms of it becoming a trend and then. impacting us? >> Exactly. Because if it becomes a trend. for the entire world and we're the only. and they're like the problem the. consequences of free speech is an unsafe. society. We have to protect the. marginalized groups. You know how that. ends? That ends with a military. dictatorship. And all those people that.

help them get into play, all those. leftists, they all get killed because. they're the people that are going to. resist the government having this kind. of tyrannical power that they help them. get in the first place. That's what. Castro did. That's what they all do. They use the leftists to get into. positions of power and then once they. take over, they kill everybody. [ __ ]. you. >> Okay, that's a fair argument that that. you're that you're bringing out how it. could impact us. It's a wolf with a. grandma outfit on. >> Yeah. Yeah.

>> That's what it is. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's big mama's house. >> Yeah. It's. >> Tyler Perry presents. >> Marxism for Americans. >> But no, I I hear that cuz I guess my. initial thing on initially was like, yo, if you guys want free speech, fight for. it. Like we fought for it. Like people. shed blood for it. They constantly are. fighting for it non-stop. You guys go. fight for it. >> Vote those people out first. Don't [ __ ]. I don't I don't mean that. >> that's what the problem is like saying. that. >> if I say that then they'll think I meant.

before like America like as a a nation. state has has constantly fought to. maintain this thing and went through. incredibly difficult times to do it. because it's like a core tenant to our. belief and our identity and if other. countries want that they have to put in. that same effort through politics. I'm. not saying go be violent or anything. like that but. >> right but the way we fought for it was. like we fought for it. >> It's like yeah. >> banged out. >> It got rough. >> But we're wild boys. That's why I'm not. worried about like in like we are the. collection of the craziest people on the.

planet. >> Bro, England used to be the wildest. [ __ ] on earth. One island took. over most of the world. >> and now they're just arguing with wigs. on like what the [ __ ] happened? Do you. know like does this happen in every. country? Like. >> you see the guy with a wig that. sentenced the guy to 20 months of. custodial service because he was. complaining about immigrants. Have you. ever have you seen that video? No, >> but it is the craziest video because. it's 2025 or 2024. >> and it's a guy wearing a wig who's.

sentencing a guy for a 20 month sentence. who just made a post criticizing. immigrants. >> Yeah. Well, what was he saying about the. immigrants? >> Well, he was talking about these gangs. of geyser coming in from the places they. bomb the [ __ ] out of cuz that's the real. be upset at all. >> Yeah. >> Why would they be worried about it? >> The Listen, you got to listen to this. guy. See if you can find that video of. that guy because it's him wearing the. wig is so crazy. >> and while he's saying something that's. so insane in the age of the internet and.

it's on TikTok like this is like. >> before they cut stuff out of it. >> Oh, I don't care what they cut out of. it. Like just him saying it. I don't. care what context it is. He's reading. off the guy's tweets. >> and then saying because of what you said. I have no choice but to sentence you to. jail. Yeah. >> People to participate in attacks on a uh. hotel housing asylum seekers. Comments. that encouraged was over comments that.

encouraged every man and their dog. should be smashing the [ __ ] at a. Britannia hotel. Uh the judge quotes one. of his parlor posts responding to a user. who said, "If I'm down, if you are a. lad, so that he was starting." Oh, so he. was inciting violence. >> Yeah. I mean, don't tell people to go. hurt people. >> out of the video. Your motivation became. clear when you informed the police you. promoted the idea of attacking the. Bratannia hotels as a result of anger. and frustration immigration problems in. the country. So what was his post. though? Oh this is you want to say that.

you do not want your money going to. immigrants who rape our kids and get. priority. The judge later said the. overall effect your post was to incite. violence toward the building and. therefore towards those in the hotel. It. was not only the refugees and asylum. seekers who are likely to be affected by. your post but also the hotel managers, the night porters and those who worked. within the hotel. That's actually. reasonable that in that case I see what. you're saying. Um I don't Yeah. So. incitement to violence is illegal even. in America, right? Like it's like it's a.

different thing than just freedom of. speech. >> Yeah. >> So that's that is different people to. hurt people. >> The guy wearing the wig. >> Yeah. It makes it look insane. It's like. what? What? What? Like you have to have. a special outfit for me to take you. seriously because if you're just like a. regular guy and you're saying uh you. were inciting violence and then the guy. go yeah but do you know what the people. in that hotel did but let me tell you. what they've done. Let me tell you those. they've raped underage girls. They have. grooming gangs. They live there. They're. getting priority. They're getting paid. our money. They're on the dole. Like you.

could you would have a conversation. This guy's yelling out to the abyss on. Parlor because he doesn't know where. else to go. And this guy's go, "Well, the solution to that is I put you in a. cage.". >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Look at his wig. Put it Put the Put the. thing on so you can hear this. >> Off the tax us hardworking people earn. when it could be put to better use. Come over here with no work visa, no. trade to their name and sit down and. doss and then there's more people being.

put out homeless each year. they get top band priority on housing. You went on to say that you did not want. your money going to immigrants who quote. rape our kids and get priority end. quote. Although you said that you had no. intention of carrying out any act of. violence, there can be no doubt that you.

were inciting others to do so. Otherwise, why post the comment? You expressed remorse, but by that time. it was too late. For the offense of publishing written. material in order to stir up racial. hatred, there are sentencing guidelines. which I must and will follow. The maximum sentence is seven years. imprisonment.

In my judgment, this comes close to harm. category one. However, for the purposes. of this sentence, I will treat you as. falling into category two since there. was no direct encouragement towards. activity which threatens or endangers. life. However, you fall towards the top of. category 2. For a category 2A offense, the starting.

point is two years imprisonment with a. range between 1 and four years custody. In mitigation, I take into account your. plea of guilty for which you will. receive full credit of one-third. following your earlier admissions. I take account of the contents of the. references from your mother, friend, and. employer. These can only be of limited. value in the current circumstances, as.

can the contents of the presentence. report. I take account too of your expression of. remorse, your lack of convictions which. are racially aggravated. As is recognized on your behalf, this. offense is so serious that an immediate. custodial sentence is unavoidable. The sentence that I pass has been. reduced by onethird to reflect your.

guilty plea. The sentence is one of 20. months imprisonment. in response. >> This is we get This is tricky because. the guy did incite violence, but. >> yeah, >> you shouldn't be doing it, >> you know. >> Yeah, >> you shouldn't you shouldn't be doing it. But. >> I think a lot of people are very naive. of what the impact of a post if they're. an anonymous person. >> Yeah. >> You know, they're very naive of how. that's going to be perceived. And, you. know, they're just venting like they. would be venting at the barber shop, right? If they're hanging out at the. barber shop, like, [ __ ] those people.

Someone should go over there and kick. their ass. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. People are looking for People also. looking for community. They're looking. to be feel like validated in their. beliefs. Like. >> it also pretty it is pretty wild that. these people are coming over to Europe. and even to America as a direct result. of military campaigns. >> So that that's the other thing I found. so funny is that like. >> they're not going over there because. where they live is awesome. >> and like there's reasons why it's not.

awesome. >> and there needs to be a little. accountability for that. Like I heard. even like British comedians, they were. like, you know, [ __ ] on uh you doing. the the Saudi or even like shows in the. Middle East and they're like they they. employ people at slave wages, etc. to. build it. And it's just like guys, I. wonder what happened. And I wonder what. country did something to India back in. the day that created a scenario where. those people might have to leave their. country to get a job to afford to.

provide food for their whole families. back in India. I I wonder what country. might have plundered India and stripped. it of all of its wealth for [ __ ] I. don't even know how long that created. this scenario. Like you can't just. remove yourself from that. >> Have you ever read that book about that. one corporation? >> Yeah. What is it? the uh that that. basically that that turned India into a. country like a factory essentially. Yeah. Well, what was it? Was that not a. >> God I forget the name of I read the book. a while ago. >> I saw like a YouTube video on this. >> Well, I should say I listened to it. I.

listened to the book a while ago. >> I can't remember the name of the book. >> You got to hold this down. >> It is a crazy story though. And that's. England. So you guys, your ancestor did. it. You know, it's the chickens have. come home to roost. >> Yeah. It doesn't mean that you have to. be okay with it, but you have to at. least be understanding of like how this. scenario was created. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But it's also clearly they're letting. them in and they're letting them in. And. the thing is like, oh, we've got to do.

something to stop this violence. Now we. have rise of East India Company. That's. it. The anarchy. The relentless rise of. the East India Company. Crazy book. >> Oh, dude. >> And it's all it's all real. Oh, like. what [ __ ] Liupole did to the Congo. >> Oh god. >> It's like 25 million people. >> Oh god. Yeah, the Congo thing is nuts, man. Because a bunch of these settlers. thought that they were going to live in. the Congo and they set up these. beautiful mansions. >> and the forest just. >> it just swallowed it up. >> Yeah, it's amazing. >> Yeah. Just let them know you're not. welcome.

>> One of the truly wild places in the. world. >> There's still images of these places, these like uh Elizabethan, is that the. type of architecture that are just. completely swallowed. >> swallowed by the jungle. And what's. crazy is the wildest part of the world. is where we need to go to get the. minerals to make the batteries in your. cell phone. >> Maybe that's why it's the wildest. >> But it No, no, no. It was always wild. It's wild because it's like. inhospitable. I mean, they have the. largest chimpanzees in the world there. They have those bondo apes there in the. Congo in this place called Beey. They.

have this one subset of chimpanzees. that's really large and they call them. lion killers. They have two different. types of chimps that the locals describe. tree beers and lion killers. >> Lion killers, they sleep on the ground. like gorillas. They don't give a [ __ ]. They don't have to hide in trees. Like, come get me, [ __ ] They're like six. foot tall upright chimpanzees. Like, you. know that Michael Kiteon book, Congo. Do. you ever read? He They made a movie. >> Cton's Jurassic Park. >> Yes, Kiteon made a movie. It was kind of. a goofy movie about the Congo. In the.

Congo, in the movie, there's these like. gray chimpanzees that are huge. >> And obviously that's not real, but. that's what they're based on. But it's. based on this one subset of chimpanzees. that actually has a crest on its skull. like a gorilla. >> So, you know, gorillas have such large. mandible because all they eat is. vegetables that they have this, this is. the Michael Kiteon movie. It was kind of. goofy. Look at these big silly gorillas. >> Oh wow. >> And they [ __ ] this dude up. They look so. bad. >> Oh wow. But the book is a lot better.

But in reality, there's a thing called a. Bondo ape. And there's a I guess he is a. Swedish or Swiss wildlife photographer. named Carl Arman who became obsessed. with this animal and started catching it. in camera traps. And there was photos of. these guys at See if you can find the. photo of the guys at the airport where. they shot one. So these guys, look at. this. These guys, but the That's not it. No, no, no. The one the one above it. No, no, no. Yeah, that it. That's it. Look at the size of that [ __ ] thing.

>> Look at the size of that thing. It's. like a gorillasized chimpanzee. And there's different photos of them on. camera traps where they're. >> Holy [ __ ] No. No. That's a That's an. >> That's an orangutan, I think. >> No. >> Or a gorilla. >> Um, but they have video of these things. now. They know that they're a subset of. chimpanzees. That's not a really big. one. That's it looks like just a big. chimp. But the idea is that this place is like.

rugged. I mean, this is a is leopards. and. >> like Joe, there's a lot of rugged. places. I I just feel like when there's. a place that's resource rich, there's. going to be a lot of conflict around. >> Oh, 100. Well, that's the Amazon, too. Same kind of situation. Like really wild. pristine jungle and then people are. hacking it down because they're they. want to make cattle farms and, you know, log. But like isn't it to the best. interests of the parties that are. invested in the resources there for. there not to be social cohesion? Like. it's easier to manage if everybody's.

fighting because if there is social. cohesion you have a a situation like. what is it Rhodesia which just basically. goes hey we're going to be a great. country by the way and we're going to. you know take back our mining rights and. we're going to make sure that we own our. resources and then we're going to. educate our people and we're going to. have a high GDP. Like there's a pretty. amazing story that's tied into it. And. like we they're like, "Okay, well, we. can't let that happen in the Congo. We. got to keep this [ __ ] a little bit uh. chaotic.". >> Yes. >> Because aren't there like especially. with the uh the battery stuff, aren't. there like only nine different mines for.

that? And like China owns seven or. something. >> Something like that. I don't know how. many mines there are, but China owns a. bunch of them. And you know that's. Sedarth Cara wrote a book on it. He came. in and he got undercover footage that. shows these people with babies on their. back pulling cobalt out of the ground. with like a mask over their face like a. bandana to protect themselves from the. toxic fumes. >> I'm performing that next week. [Laughter]. >> I look forward to David Cross's blog. about it.

>> My favorite post that people were not. invited and don't have to even go, but I. really wouldn't. It's like. >> he probably wouldn't. David probably. wouldn't, you know, but there's a thing. >> We'll see. >> Yeah. I remember when David Cross wrote. a letter to uh Larry the Cable Guy. He. was [ __ ] on Larry the Cable Guy and. like an open letter. >> and then the like the bottom of the post. it was like from New York City. He. signed it like from New York City. >> David C. like. >> I saw him I saw him getting upset that.

Norman farted on his podcast. >> that Mark Norman farted. >> Yeah. And like telling him that a fart. isn't funny. And I'm like, once I see. you do that, I'm just like, >> well, first of all, Norman is funny. Period. So if he's funny and he also. farts, okay, who cares? >> Well, also farts are funny. And Norman. said it. He's like, that wasn't a joke. That was not funny. And Norman goes, a. sound came out of my butt. >> That's always funny. It's funny when a. baby does it. It's funny when an adult. does it. It is the funniest. What are we.

[ __ ] talking about here? Like, obviously, >> it's funny. It's funny because you're. like, "Oh, no.". >> Yeah. And then he just dropped the nword. on the pod and uh not Norman cross. And. then Norman's like, Norman's like, "You. going to cut that out?" He's like, "No, you don't have to cut it out. It has the. ah." And it's like, "Oh, well, thank. you, white guy. You tell us what n-words. we're allowed to say.". >> Yeah. Yeah. You can tell us where the. comedians are not allowed to perform, but you tell you tell the black. community what n-words you're allowed to. say. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of hilarious. >> You know, there's a hard nword in Bob. Dylan's Hurricane.

I got a song, The Hurricane. Ruben. Carter. >> I got a little hurricane story you want. to hear. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> You met that guy? >> No. My uh my dad interviewed his lawyer. >> Ruben Carter's lawyer? >> Yeah. >> Really? >> And uh his lawyer says uh his lawyer. says uh off the record. My dad goes, "Yeah." He goes, "He did that [ __ ].

He probably shouldn't even say that. I. probably shouldn't even say it right. now, but the lawyer just tells my dad. just made it all racial. >> He did it. >> Yeah, that's hilarious. >> Who knows? Maybe the lawyer is wrong. >> Or maybe he's right. >> Maybe he's right. >> Good song. >> Didn't he have a movie about it? >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. And in the movie, there's like. a really racist cop that's like. targeting him through the whole movie. And apparently the guy was a total. construct.

>> Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There. wasn't like one cop who was like really. interested who was chasing him. They. used it as a vehicle to push the story. line which I always think is gross when. you're doing something about a. historical person. >> Yeah. >> I think that's gross. >> Yeah. >> You have an obligation though. If you're. making a movie about a historical. person, you can't have a character that. moves your plot along that didn't exist. >> I mean, >> because now you're changing history for. a lot of dumb asses who don't read a.

book. But I mean that's what the people. who. >> which is most of us. >> that's what the people who [ __ ]. >> you know dictate what history is you. know I was talk I was talking to. >> sort of but they're just doing it to. make the movie better. >> Yes. Exactly. They're doing it that's. their their their responsibility is to. make money. Yeah. >> I was talking to Shane about this and we. were just talking about like like uh. ancient history. He's like I don't [ __ ]. with the ancient history. And I'm like. why not? He goes. >> nobody really knows what [ __ ]. Augustus said to this guy. Like people. just making it up and like writing it. down afterwards. is like you really kind.

of barely even know what happened 50. years ago or like a hundred years ago. And I think that's one of the reasons. why if you get into like antiquity, it's. so interesting because it's just been. like mythologized. >> Yeah. >> So everything is so much more remarkable. and amazing and the people are so much. more resilient because they've been. retelling the story for 2,000 years. If. you want people to listen to that story, you got to make it interesting. >> Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. You got to make it. interesting. And the the thing is also. you have to remember it and then you. have to tell it to people before anybody. even figures out how to write things.

down. Yeah. So they're they're saying it. for a thousand years before they even. write it down. >> That's my issue with the Bible. >> You know, I think the Bible is a. historical account of something. >> Yeah. >> And I think uh one of the real problems. with the Bible is as you get older and. older with the Bible, things get weirder. and weirder. So it's like what was the. original story? Like if you get to the. Dead Sea Scrolls, the Dead Sea Scrolls. are bananas. And there's stuff in the. Dead Sea Scrolls like if you get like I. had Rep Luna, you know, Anna Paulina.

Luna on the podcast and she was talking. to me about the book of Enoch. She goes, "You ever read that?" And I was like, >> "It's not included in the canonized.". >> Here's why. Because of rabbis, a bunch. of rabbis said it didn't align with the. Torah. And so they yanked it out. But. it's an original biblical text or at. least a part of the religion religious. text that they found in the sea in the. um Dead Sea Scrolls in Kuman. When they. found those clay tablets, the book of. Enoch was in there as along with the. book of Isaiah. >> We need to call West. >> The book of Enoch is nuts. I talked to. myself about it.

>> That's the giants. >> It's not just the giants. It's aliens. It's about the watchers who came down. and mated with human beings. Bro, I'm. reading it right now. >> I know you are. I already know. >> Bananas. It's She told me to read it. And she was like, she's like, "You have. to read this. It's nuts.". >> And what did Wes have to say? Did he. said there's a legitimacy? >> Yeah, it's it's 100% legitimate tech. It's legitimate religious text, >> but they decided not to include it. because it's so nuts and because it goes. against like what the writings of the. Torah. >> Right. Right. >> So, but it was a few rabbis, just a few.

rabbis decided like if the book of Enoch. was included in the Bible, >> that it changes the whole story of the. human race. >> Decide what goes into that kind of. power. They just decided that it doesn't. get included in the canon. >> This is a long time ago. >> But yeah, I mean, this is like around. Well, who decided the canonized Bible, right? This is like Constantine time, right? >> Well, that's for the New Testament, right? And so with the Old Testament, you've got a Wesoff would be the guy. that. >> Enoch was included in the Old Testament. >> Oh, it's old as [ __ ]. >> Not only is it old as [ __ ] when they.

found it, they also found a version of. the book of Isaiah. This is one of the. things that Wes Huff told me that was. really fascinating. They found a version. of the book of Isaiah that is verbatim. the same as a version of the version of. Isaiah that was a thousand years later, which they thought was the original. Unbelievable. >> That's what's crazy. For 1,000 years, they maintain the exact same story. verbatim, writing it down and passing it. on. And the book of Enoch's in there. with that.

>> And the book of Enoch is bananas. >> Yeah, I think we might need to do a. little deep dive on the book of Enoch. The book of Enoch, it says that these. watchers came down and mated with human. beings and created a race of giants. called the Nephilim who consumed and. destroyed everything in front of them. Gee, that sounds like people. >> Yeah, >> that sounds a lot like people. If you. got a bunch of little chimps and then. you got these tall aliens and they make. a [ __ ] 7 foot man, a Viking who's.

like chopping off heads and lighting. villages on fire and has this undesira. unstoppable desire for conquest. That's. humans. >> The Nephilim sounds like humans. >> Like exactly. So they're not giants. We. are the giants. And then what if the. other. >> they might have been giants? Like it's. it's hard to say. >> But what if the other folks were the. Neanderthalss. >> because there was a time where we're. living together, right? >> Right. Well, they were here before us. allegedly. Well, this the question is. like where did humans come from? This is. the real question. This is a really. interesting show on PBS right now called.

Human where this lady goes on this. journey of uh it's like she's uh what is. her degree in? Is she an anthropologist? I believe she's an anthropologist but um. or maybe some sort of biologist, but she. she goes over the history of the human. species. It's very interesting. the. migration from across the Bearing Land. Bridge into North America, when the. oldest people started coming here, where. they how they came here. Fascinating. stuff. But that's one of those things. like if you think ancient history is.

filled with horseshit like ancient human. history like of the the human uh that's. the woman's name. I don't want to [ __ ]. up her name. Ella Al Shamahi and um it's. on BBC and PBS. Really good show. I just. started watching it. She's a. paleontologist. Gree in genetics and. taxonomy and biodiversity. Um but. >> they just found recently a human skull. that pushes the date of humans back.

another 500,000 years. >> Yeah. >> So it's like all they know is what they. find in the fossil record. So fossil. records. in like 2010 like what's this total new. branch of the human tree. >> it's called Dennis. >> Dennis Oovven Dennis yeah they found. like a bunch of teeth I think in Asia. and they're like what the [ __ ] is this. and then so or maybe it was Russia. Um. so there's that. There's the one that. they found in China. The big head.

people. >> Yeah that's the real recent that's real. recent. I forget what that one's called. We've done this a million times, but I. always forget. Um, but so they're always. finding these new versions of humans. So, how many of them really were there? But if if there's a bunch of science. experiments, if aliens are coming down. and like, let's try them where they're. short and really powerful and they only. eat meat. And that's Neander. I was. like, stop. This one's not a good. design. This is not a good design. We.

need them a little more frail so they. invent things cuz the the brutes don't. invent anything. >> Yeah. More frontal cortex. Yeah, the. well the Neander the Neanderls had. bigger brains than us. That's what's. interesting. >> So then what part of our brain was. specifically different? >> See, we have a very um we we our idea of. them is that they were dumb and they. they couldn't talk and that they were. brutes, but it doesn't seem like that's. true. In fact, it seems like they had. art. They definitely had tools and they. had language and they might have been as.

smart as us. They were just different. And maybe us being a little weaker is. what made us smarter, >> you know, >> made us work collectively. >> Maybe we're a little more alien. Just a. touch, >> right? >> Oh, there's a little too much salt in. that stew. Let's add a touch more of us. And, you know, it seems like the hairy, you know, 5'7, 200 lb [ __ ] savages. with big eyes that might be able to see. at night cuz it looks like they might. have had night vision. They have huge. eyeballs, man. The Neanderthal eye.

sockets way bigger than ours. Their. skulls thicker. Their bones are more. dense. They might have had night vision. like a dog. You know how dogs their eyes. glow when the headlights hit them? They. might have had that same ability. >> H. I mean, yeah. I don't know why. >> that design's too that design's too. sketchy. They can see at night and then. they go hunting other people. This is. too much. >> But then we hunted them. >> Maybe we might have just [ __ ] them. I. also heard we [ __ ] him. You had that.

joke, right? You're like, I got a little. bit of Yeah. >> One more time with the monkey. >> But in terms of like the stories, like. all right. You know when you know when a. comic gets off stage and like they think. they killed but they bombed, >> right? >> Like there could be people telling those. stories in the books. There could be. >> like meaning what their rendition of. what happened. >> is in the book and and that is what they. truly believed happened. They might not. even be delusional. I mean they are.

delusional but like that's what they saw. and that's what happened to them. >> And history is always written by the. winners. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Uh my version of the the Bible. story back in the day I used to have. this bit about Noah's arc. I was like. the problem with the Bible is people are. full of [ __ ] and that story sucks. >> Yeah. >> Like it's that simple. It's like people. lie all the time. I've never met any. politician or any person who's in charge. of anything that's like really important. that I would say never lies. >> So if you're back then where there's. zero accountability, zero video, zero.

anything, they can't even write. >> Well, that's where the cross referencing. makes sense, right? It's like that's. when you got a bunch of different people. saying the same thing or similar things. You start to go, okay, maybe this this. did happen. But I don't know, there's. something. there is something about it, you know, like every time I go to church and like. whatever something about the music I I. get like emotional and I I've tried to. like reflect on and understand like what. it is. I don't know if it's like seeing. people submit to this power that's.

greater than them. I don't there's just. like I get this really emotional about. it. I don't know what the hell it is. >> Well, it's a it's a combined shared. experience that you're having with all. the people that are in that building, too. There's there's something to that. >> and I'm just like watching Yeah. Like. maybe it's like maybe I'm a little c. cynical and skeptical and like I can get. caught up in. the raw emotion. of submitting to something that you. cannot control. And maybe there's a part. of me that that really kind of like.

envies that and and wants to in the same. way that like. >> but because you have a lot of control. >> I don't know if I have any but like you. have a lot of discipline and a. personipline. Yeah. Yeah. But a person. who like yourself does a lot of. discipline and a lot of work ethic that. doesn't come without control over. yourself. Yes. >> And you want to submit and give into. something sometimes. >> And there's something beautiful in that. And like seeing people do it so. willingly like I get [ __ ] emotional. It's Yeah. And uh. >> Yeah. I I've I've thought about it a. lot. I don't know what it is, but it. happens almost every time. And it's.

specifically with the music. >> Yeah. Well, I think music is a very. powerful thing. I mean, that's when we. were playing What Up Ganga. I mean, come. on, man. like we were both on a drug, >> dude. There's a uh. >> your whole body starts moving. You're. like, "Oh, come on.". >> I was talking to this guy. He's a. photographer for um F1. He's been doing. for like 30 years. And uh he, you know, he's been to he literally takes off one. race a year to go to like this music. festival. He just loves music. And like. I asked him if he saw Oasis because you. know Oasis is is back. And um you're a. fan of Oasis?

>> Yeah. Love them. And what's so. interesting is happening like with with. Oasis specifically is uh right now we. don't live in like the monoculture. anymore, you know, like there's a. thousand different silos and everybody. thinks that like the thing happening in. their world is the most important thing. There's no like universal new rock star. Like Justin Bieber might have been like. the last person that was like a musician. that everybody knows. There's a K-pop. band that none of us can name the guys. that is the biggest band in the world. Exactly. But like back in the day, especially when we were growing up, there were bands that were just.

Metallica like performing in Russia, you. know, like these things were just kind. of there was a monoculture. And then the. internet has divided that and that just. is what it is. But what's kind of. interesting is I feel like people are. >> the people who did experience. monoculture, they're going back to these. like nostalgic events. It's like why. existing IP movies are the only movies. that work, right? It's like they want to. feel those moments when we all were. experiencing the same thing at the same. time. >> And like I'm seeing these like Oasis. clips like all my boy I was on a show. but all my boys went to go see Oasis and.

like. >> there's a really interesting thing. >> the uh the lead singer I guess is it. null or Liam is the lead singer. I'm. such like a casual. Doesn't matter. Like. he's just wearing a tracksuit. Like he's. just wearing like [ __ ] like the most. and like to me I'm like that's the most. rockstar [ __ ]. Wearing the big flamboyant thing was. rockstar when everybody was wearing. suits. >> But now that everybody is big flamboyant. just showing up in a [ __ ] hoodie to. your [ __ ] stadium show. It just lets. you know like I'll do whatever.

>> It's going to be the day when we're. going to throw it back to you. >> 100,000 people at the same time. Wave. it. Yeah. I don't know. I like. >> Oh my god. What a song. >> For real. >> We're that good. We're that good at. singing. >> So, what do we have to do? Cut that part. out. >> Yeah. Let's cut that part. We were just. singing an Oasis song. Unfortunately, you can't hear it because of tyranny.

>> Tyranny. >> Fascism. >> But it's I don't know. Like. >> I love comics throwing out that word, too. That's a funny one. Throwing out. fascism. Nobody even knows what that. [ __ ] word means. That's the most. annoying thing. Nobody knows the. definition of that [ __ ]. >> There's a few people online that are. like political debaters that know the. definition of that word. But what it is. is like you're bad. >> That's it. You're bad. >> You're an [ __ ] I'm going to call you. an [ __ ] Political bad. >> Yeah. And I want to sound smart when I'm. calling you an [ __ ] I disagree with. the things that you're doing. So, I'm. going to use this word that neither of. us really know the definition of Cuz if.

you call me a fascist, I can't really say I'm not cuz I don't. know what the [ __ ] that [ __ ] is. >> Well, that's the problem with like. things like Antifa. Well, of course. you're anti-fascist. >> Yeah, it's a pretty good thing. >> Yeah. It's like the Patriot Act. I'm a. patriot. Take my rights. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Of course I'm a patriot. Take away my. rights. >> It's like every time like pushes a bill. that's like the don't hurt women bill. >> Yes. You know, but all it is is like tax. incentives for some group and now.

>> why Trump is so ridiculous. The big. beautiful bill. >> It's just like everything is market like. why would you're going to veto too big. >> It's beautiful. It's big. >> But that's the. >> that's the political game, man. >> It's a stupid [ __ ] game, bro. And. it's a stupid game to base your entire. personality and identity about. >> That is. >> that's the weird part. >> And people do. >> Yeah. Oh, it's everything. >> People do. and they're they're in a life. or death struggle every four years like. settle down. >> cuz it's a zero- sum game. Power is a.

zero- sum game. Yeah. >> Right. It's just like if I think that. this person is going to completely. change my life and completely strip me. of everything I have, anybody that. supports that person and that person are. completely evil, >> right? >> And then once you think someone's evil, you can do anything to them, >> right? Well, the people that have an. argument about that are Mexican. immigrants, especially the children of. Mexican immigrants who maybe their. family, maybe they're illegal because. they were born here, but their parents. aren't, and they're realizing their. parents might get kicked out. Like, that's scary. >> It's [ __ ] up.

>> That's scary. >> I don't like the stuff at all. >> It's not just bad. It's bad for them. And I don't know how they don't realize. that this is the worst look ever. >> It's It's also a bad look for ICE. >> Yeah. Like ICE itself is a very. important institution. Yeah. Like you. want to make sure that you have a. government program that can enforce the. borders and also like remove people. >> that are here illegally, especially. people that are doing criminal activity. Like this is an institution that we. shouldn't malign. This is one that we. should be proud of. This is a good.

thing. But then when every video coming. out is like seeing these people being. like torn their families and all this. kind of stuff. It's like yeah, you're. going to have a lot of animosity towards. these groups. And I know we're having. this conversation right now. There's. already people getting a video. Well, this is what you guys wanted. And this. is like, >> no. >> One of the things I actually talked to. Trump about is like, how can we not do. this? Like, what can we do? How do we. have these people who've been living. here for [ __ ] 10 years, they're. paying taxes, like why don't we give. them a pathway to citizenship? And I. specifically was like, yo, you own. hotels. You've employed these people, right? You know, they're good people,

>> right? >> Like, if you like, we're entertainers. Like, we work in [ __ ] restaurants, you know what I mean? Like, we know we. work with these people and you see them. grinding. Like, >> I don't know. Yeah, that's a very. frustrating thing. >> I think their problem with it is. multiaceted, but I think one of the. issues is the way the census works. because the way the census works, you. get congressional seats based on the. amount of people that live in an area. regardless of whether or not those. people are citizens. >> So, yeah. Isn't that nuts? So, if you. have uh import, so like say if you.

import uh. >> how do you prove that they're there then. if they're illegal? >> Because you get n the census doesn't. check to see your legality. It just. counts the number of people that live in. a residence. But how do you count it? Like they have to fill the census out, right? Why would they fill it out if. they're here illegally? >> Um, that's a good question, but it's. they know. They know based on. employment. They know it's like there's. a bunch of different uh points of of. data that they get it from. That's a. good question, but the point is. >> it doesn't matter if they're illegal. So, if you fill out a sentence and.

you're illegal, it doesn't matter. You. It's It just matters how many people are. in this area, and that dictates how many. congressional seats you get. So if you. can a bunch of people also if you. encouraged these people to fill out the. census because it's politically. beneficial to your party, right? Especially if you help those people get. in. So if you invited them into this. country, actually flew them out to that. place, put them up in hotels, that kind. of deal, then you can get more. congressional seats because you have. more human beings. >> So that's the argument. Like a lot of. people chalk it up to uh they're giving. these people voting rights and it's like.

no, that's not what's happening. They're. actually increasing the amount of. representatives you could have in a. certain district. >> They are. But then we went over this. yesterday. In Tim Walsh's state in. Minnesota, they actually passed a law. where they give them driver's licenses. and they could use those driver's. licenses to vote. It's not legal, >> but someone could break the law and do. it with those driver's license. The. problem is they know that some people. have. There definitely have been. instances where illegal aliens have.

voted for whatever election, >> right? So the question is, did they move. them there for congressional seats? Did. they move them there for cheap labor? Did they move them there because if they. they pay for these people and give them. EBT cards and then eventually they. devise a pathway to citizenship if they. get like a Democrat in in four years, we. have to take care of our community. regardless of whether you if you're a. good person, a hardworking person, we. want you to join team America. And.

that's how I feel. That's how I feel. And so then all of a sudden those people. who you gay got in, gave EBT cards, put. them up in the Roosevelt, now those. people are voting, >> right? And obviously they're going to. vote for the people who have protected. them and I wouldn't blame them for that. at all. >> Especially now, this is why it's. politically dangerous for the. Republicans because this support of ICE. and seeing that that you just lost the. whole Latino base, right? Except the. hardcore Cubans who don't give a [ __ ]. Get the [ __ ] out of here. We ain't. voting Democrat. That was the joke I had.

is like the second they put their foot. on dry land, they're like, "We got to. stop this immigration. >> This is this is too much, guys. This is. too much.". >> Especially from communist countries. Get. the [ __ ] out of here with those ideas. >> They've experienced communism and that's. why they embrace materialism. Cubans. love Cuban links, big ass gold chains to. let a [ __ ] know I got some. cheddar, right? Like because in their. country like you get what they give you. and that's it. >> I heard a I heard a good quote. You you. know who uh you know who Carlos Slim is?

You've heard of Carlos Slim? He's like a. telecommunication magnet. He's the. wealthiest guy in Mexico, but they all. over the world. He's like, you know, super billionaire. And um. >> apparently I you know this is a. secondhand but like he's this guy who I. don't know what he looks like but I'm. aware of his name. >> He's incredibly powerful, incredibly. successful. >> What a great name. >> Carlson. Amazing. Right. And uh sounds. like a pool player, right? >> It sounds like uh he's related to. Iceberg. the guy who wrote the uh book. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> He wrote a book on. >> Pippen. That book is terrifying. >> Like I was like, how do I make sure. these guys don't meet my wife? Like it's. [ __ ] horrifying that book. But um but. yeah, he had an interesting thing about. like I'm always impressed by these guys. who have all this power, but they don't. want any of the limelight. Like I don't. know what he looks like, but I know the. name and I know he's involved in. everything. And uh apparently he said. something like um. even billionaires can be new to money. implying that like a lot of the guys.

that we see we hear the guys that are. all over the place. >> like they're new to this and they on. some level want it to be known that they. got it. >> right. >> And the people who maybe done it for you. know legacy generations they're like you. actually get yourself in more trouble. the more people know. >> Oh for sure. Right. But it's hard to. like be broke and then get some money. and not want to flex it. >> Well, even if you don't want to flex it, if you just have it, like if you're Jeff. Bezos, you're out in the middle of the. Caribbean, you know, with Lauren Sanchez.

chilling on a yacht there. There's. someone with a drone taking photos of. you. >> I mean, you also do your wedding in. Venice. Like, you want to flex it. >> That was flexing. >> You want to flex it. >> That was her bet. >> Yeah. >> She was like, I want a big. >> Oh, wait. You don't think Jeff wanted to. do his second wedding in Venice. >> with a bunch of celebrities? Invite. every famous person on Earth. The. Kardashian show met three times. >> You don't think he wanted that? >> Yeah. Hilarious. >> But that's what happens, bro. The. wedding is the wife's is. >> right. And you kind of got to go, too. You're like, "Damn, we got you kind of.

got to do your own." Oh, I thought you. were talking about Jeff going to his own. wedding. >> Oh, yeah. That, too. >> Yeah. Do I have to go? This feels like. your thing. Are you sure I have to do. it? >> I have to support you in this venture. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But you like if you get invited to. that and you're like one of their. [ __ ] friends, you're like, "Oh, great. >> Yeah. >> I gotta fly to Venice and be a part of. this zoo." See, that's how you that's. like that's how like kind of we would. feel about it. But there are certain. people who are like I think they almost. define themselves by those invitations. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

>> But what. >> I think I define myself being able to. miss the wedding. >> Well, there's also a thing that we. actually make stuff ourselves. rather than have to uh get hired to go. make us stuff. You know, like you'll do. a movie occasionally if you want to, but. you make your own comedy, you make your. own podcast, you make your own stuff. >> When you're an actor and you don't make. your own stuff and you got to appear in. other people's stuff, there's a whole. different layer of [ __ ] that you.

have to dance with. >> There's a reliance. >> Yeah, there's a reliance. And then. there's also like a currency of being. current, >> you know, and being hot. >> Yep. Yep. Yep. You got to be a part of. that. Yeah. And that's when, you know, one of the things you see about comics. that lash out at people, it's like. Marin's a good example of this is like. once you've got no currency, that's when. you start lashing out because you got to. get attention some way. Yeah. >> And you're not getting it through your. art. So what's the what's the way to get.

it? You have to figure out some way to. be current. So find out what is current. and then [ __ ] all over it. And get the. people who who think Elon's a [ __ ]. He's a [ __ ] Yeah. like get those. people and they're like, "Yeah, [ __ ]. Schultz. Yeah, [ __ ] Roen. [ __ ]. everybody." But. >> yeah, >> I mean, that's the that's got to be the. worst thing is like to be a comic that. only gets attention when you talk about. comedy, >> right? >> Like you want to get attention from your. jokes. You want people to like you for.

the funny. >> You want to have a really interesting. point that nobody else thought of. >> Yeah. Hilarious. Or something [ __ ]. stupid and silly that's hilarious. like. that's what we love and like that's what. you actually really want. But like when. the only reason anybody's talking about. you is because you're [ __ ] on your. colleagues, >> right? >> Like that's what's bothering you in the. world. >> But I think I think that's what happened. with just the whole like what's. happening right now with the comedy. economy. It's like I think people are. feeling I think I think young comics are. probably feeling a little bit like. concerned that they don't know the way.

forward, >> right? They also don't know whether or. not they're being forced to participate. in these pylons or whether they should. back off. and then they get pressure and. they don't know what to do. Like I cut. young guys and young women a lot more. slack than I do the OGs, these people. that have been around for a long time. You should you should know what it's. like to be attacked and you should know. that this is not fair. It's not cool. And you also should if you have an. opinion on what these people are doing. with whatever whether it's Riad or. whether.

have some kind of compassion for these. people as human beings and as colleagues. and. be charitable. Be charitable. This what. I try to do. I try to be very charitable. when I talk about anybody that I'm not. like in like a real serious. >> like a Mark Baron type thing with. >> Yeah. >> That guy. I'm like, "Fuck you.". >> Yeah. >> You're You're a problem. >> But he made his bed. >> Yeah. He made his Well, he made his bed. and the Theo thing just really drove me. crazy cuz Theo is the sweetest [ __ ].

human being. I I love him to death. >> You think that Mary wants to be talking. about another comedian? Like do you. think the thing is that's you remember. when comics would all they talk about is. like airline seats and travel. It's. because that's all they knew because. they were on the road. >> on the road constantly because that's. all they think about. That's all he. thinks about is other people doing. better than him. So that's what he wants. to be about. >> Where's your thoughts on Gaza? >> Oh, I haven't heard him say anything. about that one. >> Kind of weird. >> Yeah. >> The there was some crazy estimate the. the the actual official tallies like.

67,000 people dead but the. >> I think it's going to be more than that. Oh, there's Steven Dawinger uh had a a. thing on his page where there's some. human rights group that estimates it to. be as high as 400,000. >> Yeah, cuz I don't think they count. missing as dead yet. >> No, I mean there's no way there's no way. they know. You look at all that rubble. >> and bro Okay, so there's that, but then. there's also what Hamas is doing right. now in in Gaza, which is crazy. These. executions and tortures of people that.

they think collaborated with Israel. >> Woo! >> Horrific. Horrific. Me and Tommy Sigura. have a uh a text thread that we go back. and forth with literally the worst [ __ ]. we find every day. It's like a trauma. thread. >> And uh. >> Tom, >> I sent him one. >> Tom just needs to feel something. Huh? >> Tom just needs to feel. >> He just needs to feel. >> That's why I sent him these things. >> You got to show him the worst [ __ ] ever. He's like, "All right, I am human.". >> Yeah. I sent him one. He was like, "That. one was rough." I'm like, "Yeah, yeah,

yeah. It's uh they they were breaking. this guy's bones with boulders.". >> Oh jeez. They had this guy blindfolded. and he was sitting down and they took. this enormous rock and threw it on his. shin and snapped his shin in half. >> and this guy's screaming and then they. take his arm and they stretch his arm. out and this guy hits it with this giant. bat and crushes his arm. >> No, it's horrific. >> It is so crazy what they're doing and. they're doing it on, you know, Samsung. 4K video on a cell phone. >> and kids can see it. >> Anybody can see it. My kids saw the.

Charlie Kirk assassination. You know, it's like I didn't want to see it and. then someone sent it to me. I think Tom. sent it to me actually and I'm like, "All right, let me see." And I watched I. was like, "Oh, god damn.". >> But that's Yeah, that's the that's the. tricky thing right now is cuz I think. that like. >> as far as we've been comedians, there's. been like a clear path of how to make. it. It didn't mean that it was. accessible to everybody, but like when. you're growing up, I'm sure it's like. get an HBO special. >> Mhm. When I'm coming up, it was HBO and. then it transitioned to come on the Joe.

Rogan podcast. And that was the thing. And did it mean every single comedian. that came on here became a millionaire? No. But a lot [ __ ] did. >> You got to look. >> You got to look. You got an audience. that was interested and curious and like. >> if you were legit, if you were Shane. Gillis, if you were you, if you were Ari. Shafir, whatever it was, you popped off. >> Hundreds of people, right? And we saw it. like instantaneously. It was like you. come on and then your podcast would go. number one afterwards. Like you remember. this, right? >> And it was like okay. So then comics.

were like okay wow there's a pathway. forward. >> and then like the clip economy and the. YouTube specials and these things. started happening and then people like. okay I do that that's how I go popping. Then Kill Tony erupts and it's like oh. [ __ ] if I can get a a spot on Kill Tony. then I can make it right. And I think. that like now people are going okay I I. might not be the right fit for Kill Tony. because the character based things. really explode more than like say a. traditional comic. It's like okay I. don't do that. It's like I don't know. how I can even get on Joe and if I do. get on Joe can I be on enough where the.

audience will see. I put a YouTube. special out but like it seems like. there's hundreds of YouTube specials. out. So it's like I don't know if that's. going to be the thing that breaks me. So, I think that the younger comics are. kind of experiencing this thing where. they're like, I don't know the pathway. forward and someone's going to invent. some [ __ ] Someone's going to do the. thing that I did that you did where you. just try something new and then it. catches on and [ __ ] that dominates. what it is. But like I think they're in. this this period where they're like, I. don't know what to do. And when you. don't know what to do and you're not. where you want to be, that's where I.

think the bitterness starts to come out. Well, you also don't know what the path. forward is and if it there it's ever. going to arrive for you or if you're. just going to be like on the outside. forever. >> So, you're toiling in obscurity and then. you're just and then you start to feel. resentful. Then you start to feel angry. Before you might feel resentful and. angry, but you're like, you know what, there might be a chance Joe could see. me. He'll bring me on his podcast and. then I can have all this [ __ ]. success. And it's like, so I do empathize with that like anger, but the knee-jerk reaction to just [ __ ]. on everything and try to [ __ ] on the.

scene and like [ __ ] on Austin or like. [ __ ] on these things. I I don't think. they realize that that's not going to. get them any closer. It will get them. like immediate attention. A bunch of. their comedian friends around them are. going to click and like and do these. things, but it's not going to be that. long-term sustained career. You don't. build a fan base by going, I don't like. that place. You also alienate the newest. scene in the world. >> You alienate people who actually help. you. This is the thing. >> You also you're making a fake version of. what the scene is, too. >> Well, that I mean that's the internet, right? It's like. >> that's the crazy thing. It's like you.

have to say you have to have an n-word. joke. You have to h you know, you have. to go on and have a trans joke. And this. is just the same thing. It's be you know. what the problem is? It's a walled. garden. Austin is a walled garden. Like. if you're on the outside, you see all. these people having so much fun in the. garden. And you're like, you I can't. even I'm not even in there. [ __ ] those. people. It's not It's not. But it's an. appearance of a walled guard. >> Exactly. And then I think that there's. like people on another level up we were. saying earlier that are like seeing. these like people talk [ __ ] about it and. they're getting concerned that it could.

like negatively impact them in a way. So. they're doing this like it's it's the. most [ __ ] [ __ ] They're like trying to. create a little distance. Not too much. where they can't call you and say, "Hey, I got a p I got a I got a special.". Yeah. like not too much where it's like, "Oh, I'd like to come on your podcast, but I'll have a guy who's going to [ __ ]. on you for the whole [ __ ] episode and. not give you push back." It's like, and. it's not just him. Like, I've seen other. people do it. It's just like, "Dude, dude, dude, you're going to go through. some cancel [ __ ] later." All these guys, they're going to go through some later. And they had a guy that they could call. that would bring them on the biggest.

plat platform in the world, and let them. explain themselves, have their back. Like, you will do it. >> I Well, I would still do that with. Santino. >> Of course you would. That's your boy. That's your boy. I love him. He's a. [ __ ] amazing hang. That was a bad. move. That was a bad movie in my. opinion. >> He felt like, look, Mark is irrelevant. He's yelling these things out. Like, let. him rant. Everyone's going to know what. he's doing. But I don't think everybody. in the outside does cuz they don't know. comedy. They don't know the business. >> and it looks like you're co-signing it. all. And it looks like that you're okay. with this. And I'm fine with you having. him on. Like I would have Marin on, but.

we're going to go at it. >> Like a calls him out. Akos calls him out. every single episode. He's just like, "Come on, you [ __ ] Let's talk. >> You ain't shit.". >> Yeah. So it's like it's like But it's. like Yeah. but also defend your boy. And. that's also important because at at at a. baseline, people don't want to see people abandon. their friends at like a baseline human. thing, >> right? >> Even if you got your friends back when. he's going through some [ __ ] even if. you disagree with that person did, like. baseline human, you go, I kind of would. want that guy as a friend.

>> There was a video of Trump on Letterman. when uh I think it's Letterman. I'm. pretty sure it's Letterman. Trump when. uh Mike Tyson got convicted. And bro, it. was like the most unpopular opinion in. the world. He goes, I think his his. attorneys were terrible. They had the. worst defense I've ever heard in my. life. This girl came up to his room at. 1:00 a.m. They said she was dancing a. few hours later. She was hanging out. with people, having a good time. She. came over, took off her panty shield in.

the in his bathroom, like, and she'd. also accused someone of rape. uh that. wasn't was unjustly accused of rape. before she had done it before. She had. done the same thing before. >> You know, I don't know what the [ __ ]. happened there. Obvious. But that was. his boy and he defended his boy said, "Look, we don't know. We don't know what. happened." And he said it on letter B. I. respect that [ __ ]. >> And he was like, "Whoa." And but a lot. of people in the comments did too. Like, wow. >> And Tyson had his back. You know that. Like they've talked to Tyson decades. later. >> Always has. >> Yeah. It's Yeah. It's a different I.

don't know. To me, I'm like, I thought. this is normal. Like I thought this is. >> because you're a man. >> That's the thing. There's a lot of these. people that are like a salamander that's. never gone through its final. developmental changes and they're they. they're stuck in like an adolescent. stage of evolution forever. >> Yeah. >> There's there's there's men that are. like that, you know. >> I don't know. And maybe it's cuz I like. know guys like you and like Charlemagne. who like I see them going through [ __ ]. and I see people like will try to like. get me to talk to. It's like it ain't.

going to happen. Yeah. Like I know these. people as human beings, you know, a. 30-cond TikTok of them. So, if you want. to have that conversation, we're going. to have it. But like, you're not going. to like the way it goes because these. people are my friends. Like real. friends, >> right? >> Not like colleagues. There are people. who were colleagues with, >> right? >> But like my real friends, you guys are. at my wedding, >> right? >> And you've been at my wedding. Like my. wedding wasn't like a comedy hangout, >> right? >> It was people who I am close to. You. know what I mean? Like, >> by the way, it's one of the only. weddings I've ever been. >> and I respected that. Took a COVID test.

took a COVID test. I just want to let. you so upset about it, too. You were. like, "Here, bitch." You sent me a. picture. You're like, "I'm free of it, bitch.". >> I was already over. Well, that I don't. even know if I had been at the beginning. of being cancelled about the co stuff. I. was like, it was just starting. >> Yeah. Can I pee real quick? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's pee. We're back. >> We're back. Um when Tony got into it. when the first one with the the Asian. thing when he got into that people. didn't know the he was totally not. always he set up um people don't know.

the full context of it. This guy did. this whole set. >> of like it was like real bad comedy and. it was why do you hate Asians? Everybody. hates Asians. And so Tony gets up and. makes fun of him for being Chinese. Afterwards they take that they run with. it. Tony fortunately had a video of that. guy's set and released it along with his. full set. Well, you see this is just. what he does. He's just [ __ ] around. and then he kills. He kills for the. entire set and he released that and then.

the cancellation basically died off. But. >> when he was going through it, man, I I. was really worried about him. Like. genuinely worried about him. He thought. his life was over. He had never. experienced anything like that before. >> Yeah. And then I took him with me to. Salt Lake City. And it was only. God, I guess, a week and a half. He took. off one weekend. We did a a show in. Houston and he's like, I just I don't. think I can go on stage. Just take this. weekend off. I'm going to pay you. anyway. I go, I'll pay you. Just relax.

and then we'll do Salt Lake City, right? I just just just I know you're going. through it. Just So then he went on. stage one night at the Vulcan. He's. like, dude, I think I could do I'm back. I'm back. And so then people didn't know. that he was going to be with me in Salt. Lake City. So we're in the back of the. room and I announce the opening act and. I said, "Ladies and gentlemen, one of my. best friends, Tony Hencliffe." And they. went, "Yeah." They stood up, arms raised. like, "Fuck yeah." It was part of it was. because I was supporting him. He was.

going through it was public. was in the. middle of everything. >> and he went up and destroyed the love. that he got from those people and then. he went and just ran with it and he had. material on it. He was already talking. about it and it's just it was beautiful. But it was beautiful to watch him. realize like, oh, I'm going to be okay. >> The internet is not reality, >> right? and he had that moment in real. time, but he also had you having his. back. Like that's the And I think people.

see that also. Like I think there's. people in the crowd that see that and I. think on a primal level they go, "Man, if I got caught up in some [ __ ] [ __ ] I. would really like it if my friend had my. back.". >> Yeah. >> If people were saying things about me. that my friends know were false. >> and they use their platforms to talk or, you know, put me on or whatever it is, I. think deep down viscerally they go, "Oh, that's a good guy." You got to try to. like help people neg you know I tried to. get Steve Renzi on when that 911 stuff.

happened and he decided to go on Stern. instead. >> Yeah. >> And I was like okay but. >> I'm telling you I if I have you on I can. navigate it a little more. compassionately. But I don't think at. the time. >> he understood where podcasts were versus. where Stern was at the time. Stern was. still stern in his eyes, but it wasn't. stern in terms of like the reach. >> And even if it was, he's not going to. handle you the same way I'm going to. handle you.

>> Yeah. >> Like, I'm going to give you all the room. in the world to express yourself and I'm. going to be as charitable as possible. and I'm going to put myself in a. position where I can imagine if I made. up a story and then I got stuck with it. like, oh no, you know, and what is the. way forward with that? Well, I guess the. way forward he eventually had to address. it and talk about it on stage and you. know, but you you can help people. You. could really it really does work if you. have a platform and someone's going.

through something like you really can. save their their world. You can you can. especially if you show that you have. support and you love them and you talk. about it and talk about what a great. person they are. Like Tony's one of my. favorite people ever. >> Yeah, Tony's great, man. And like I he. has this massive thing and naturally we. want to pick at the people that are. incredibly successful. It's just like. human nature. [ __ ] Taylor Swift gets. it. >> You know what I mean? Like. >> bro, here's the thing. Till Kill Tony. wasn't that big back then. That's the.

problem. >> No, back then. I'm saying even now. >> Yeah. But now Well, well, the thing is. the second cancellation like after he. did the. >> the Puerto Rico. >> Yeah. The Puerto Rico thing, he was. already ready. He was like, I've been. through this [ __ ] storm before. I'm. just going to tie down these sales and. ride this [ __ ] out. >> But if he hadn't been through that, that. would have been even more devastating. because then you're getting cancelled by. CNN and New York Times. And you know, they had stories pre-written ready to go. blaming the loss of Trump on Tony.

Hinchcliffe. >> And then the Latino went vote went up. >> by like 15%. >> He said Tony said the first night he. slept was the night that I endorsed. Trump. >> for real. >> Yeah. Yeah. And he literally said, "Dude, that was the first night." He. goes, "I think it's going to be okay. now.". >> Wow. >> Which is crazy because that's part of. the reasons why I did it. Get Tony out of here. >> We got to protect Tony. >> If you get You didn't even need to. The. Puerto Ricans were like, "We got this.".

>> Yeah. Well, Puerto Ricans take a joke. better than anybody on the planet. That. is a great shit-talking community. They. talk [ __ ] to each other. It's part of. >> in New York. They're not going to be. sensitive about anything. Now, what I. would have told Zony and like what I. said to him is like, I wish you had told. me like what the set is because like New. Yorkers have this idea of Puerto Rico as. this like beautiful Caribbean island. It's like our first vacation in New York. when we go to a fancy place. It's Puerto. Rico. So, I think when he was connecting. it to the the the island of garbage, which I knew where he's going, there was.

like a island of garbage floating in the. Atlant Atlantic or. >> No, it's the Pacific Pacific garbage. patch. So it was actually he was. bringing it to something that was a. popular story like a year or two ago, but New Yorkers don't know what the [ __ ]. is floating. Do you know what I mean? Like we're just like, "Yo, Puerto. Rico's." So I think that they were just. like, "Oh, that was weird. We don't see. Puerto Rico in that way.". >> Well, you know, not necessarily cuz that. joke murders when he did it at Madison. Square Garden when he was opening for. me. >> Oh, really? >> [ __ ] murdered. >> Okay, fair enough. >> Murdered. Because it's just a joke.

>> The thing is, it's just a joke. But it's. also Puerto Rico, if you don't know, has. a massive garbage problem because they. have a landfill issue because they don't. have much land. >> It's like all these [ __ ] tourists. coming over there with their [ __ ]. water bottles. >> and they got a huge hole in the ground. that's overflowing with trash. >> At the end of the day, it's a [ __ ]. joke. >> It's a joke. >> It's a joke, >> but it's not a joke he should have done. there. >> That's the thing. >> If if he was running that joke by me, I'd be like, "No, >> that's not the one." That's what I'm. saying. Well, there's a different place.

that you could use that might. >> I told him not to do it, period. I was. like, there's no upside to this, dude. This is a It's not going to be a comedy. crowd. And And meanwhile, he goes on. after some guy has got this crazy we got. to take back American. >> That's the thing. Even doing comedy in. that environment is is like the. trickiest thing. And like I do think. like in general like us just having. politicians on and like even going to. the rally when it's like I think what's. happened is that we've politicized. ourselves and like we've brought. ourselves into the game of politics.

which is the ugliest game. >> Yeah. >> Like it is the ugliest game because it's. that zero sum [ __ ] we were saying. earlier. It's just like this is people. really believe it's life or death. >> Uhhuh. >> Dude, I was pushing my my daughter in a. stroller, right? And uh a lady goes, "Hey, this is in New York." She goes, "Hey, didn't you have Trump on your. podcast?" And I was like, "I already. know what's going." I'm like, I'm like, "Yeah, yeah, he was. Yeah, he was on the. podcast." And she's like, "Uh, well, I. hope your daughter has a good life.". I'm like, "Bitch, you live in Tribeca.". You know what I mean? Like, like, what.

do you think is happening over here? Your husband works for [ __ ] Goldman. You know what I mean? Like, what do you. think he's voting for? But like that. type of vitriolic hate. >> to a stranger on the street. >> What'd you say to her? I said, uh, I go, uh, I go, "Oh, do you have a daughter?". Cuz she just looked lonely and I really. wanted her to be like, "No." And then I. was just going to lower the [ __ ]. boom. And then she was like, "Yeah, I. have two." And I was like, "Okay, well, I hope they have good lives.".

[Laughter]. She out crowdworked me. >> Yeah. >> I was like, "Show like I was like in. shock." Like I'm like with like there's. a I'm with a child. Like why are you. talking to me in the street? Like. >> I saw a video of a lady getting out of a. cyber truck in New Jersey and some woman. yelled at, "Are you [ __ ] racist? You. racist." She's like, "What?". >> Yeah. >> Somebody just gave me a ride. >> It was an Uber. >> No, it was like she was got a ride from. somebody who had a cyber truck and she. got out of the car. >> Oh yeah.

>> And you know, and some lady started. calling her a racist out of nowhere. >> There's insane people. >> Oh yeah. >> There's like And they've always been. here. always. rooted in their insanity because it's. rewarded every time they go on their. phone. >> Yeah, you're right about that opinion. Here's evidence 30 seconds at a time. >> and they're dumb so they don't realize. what it's doing to them. So, they're on. that [ __ ] [ __ ] all day long getting. aggravated. >> and they're desperate for community. >> Their whole identity is this community. God forbid they have an dissenting.

opinion. All of a sudden, that community. is going to ostracize them. >> Yeah. >> It's it's literally what happened to. like Ezra. Like Ezra is actually trying. to have real conversations. Like he. believes in what Democrats can do and. think that they're the best for. government and he's like, "How can we. make this happen?" And then there are. people that would be like his biggest. supporters. The second he moves a little. bit away, it's I can't believe he's. turned into a right-wing grifter. They're talking calling Ezra Klene a. right-wing grifter. >> Yeah. Or Elon Musk a [ __ ] Yeah. It's.

the same thing. You You're never going. to make everybody happy. And as your. profile increases, the number of. ignorant people that are paying. attention and commenting on you. increases. >> Yes, >> it is. And so it's. >> that's a great point. Yeah. It's like. the percentage doesn't change, but the. amount changes. >> drastically. >> because you have so many more people. loging. >> Well, especially if there's an event. like if you had Trump on the podcast, that's the event. And then ignorant. people just start yapping out their. opinion. And I want them to have.

opinions. I think it's a beautiful. thing. I'll never tell anybody not to. say anything. But like the funniest. thing about the Trump pott is that like. initially it was Kamla's campaign and. the Democrats like loving the interview. because Trump said that thing. It was a. really fascinating thing that happened. because both sides were going, "Oh, this. is awesome." And I was like, "Holy. shit." Like what? >> What did he say? >> He goes, "Uh, he says one of the. funniest things ever." He goes, "Uh, he. goes, >> I'm basically an honest person.".

And then he says it to me and I just. laugh cuz I'm like that's I laugh for a. few reasons. Like one I laugh because. it's a hilarious thing to say. >> It's very funny. >> But two, it's like actually the most. honest thing to say. >> Like if I'm deconstructing it, it's like. anybody who goes I've never told a lie. You're like you're a [ __ ] liar. You. just told one. >> But saying you're basically honest is. like, yeah, I pretty much mostly tell. the truth. >> Yeah. >> You know, sometimes I say Melania looks. skinnier than she does. >> You know, whatever the [ __ ] you know. what I mean? But like it's I don't know.

It was just the funniest thing. >> or the Epstein files is a hoax, >> bro. The [ __ ] Epstein thing is just. >> nothing but a hoax. >> It's just it's just I I don't even. understand. I don't get it. I don't get. it. It's It is the easiest political. victory. Like if you if you just. >> It is. But it isn't. Here's the thing. Yeah. >> Um I'm not supporting anything. Just be. really clear, ladies and gentlemen. Um, but if you are if you have relationships. with all these insanely wealthy people.

that are going to be hurt, >> severely impacted by this, like this is. the ultimate political football. because I don't know what the numbers. are. I don't know who the people are, but I've heard things. And if those. things are true, you're dealing with. some of the most powerful people in the. world. Some of the wealthiest people in. the world. >> They got to go down. >> Yeah. Well, it depends on what they did, right? It's like, did you go over there. and have sex with a 24-year-old and do. coke or did you go Totally fine, >> right? Or did you go over there? But.

here, >> wouldn't you want that out? I would want. that out if like. >> Yeah, but you wouldn't want that out. because like how do you you're you're. connected to pedophilia. What? No matter. what Epste was 24 and then someone's. going to go, "Well, did you idea?" And. you're like, "Well, no, I didn't I. >> did you see underage girls? Were you. there? Are you complicit?" You know, >> so you don't want to even be around it, >> right? Well, you can't be around it. I. mean, the guy 100%. >> had sexual relationships with under. underage girls in at least in Florida. Convicted and convicted. Yeah. And so.

that and you knew that when you were. meeting him. That's the Bill Gates. thing. That's the craziest after the. guy. >> Bill Gates, the Stephanopoulos guy. Like. a bunch of them went over there. >> A lot of people went over there. A lot. of a lot of scientists went over there. And I think those guys thought they were. going over there for this beautiful. place where you can go. This guy's. donating money to science. You're. hanging out with movie stars, this. intellectual discourse. So, tell me. about string theory. Well, it's really. fascinating. One things we've learned. and you're having cocktails like this. place is great. And then you can get.

your dick sucked. >> It's like a diddy party for nerds. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> And a lot of people went to those. parties. >> Yeah. I don't want to say Assan Amad's. joke, but he's got I don't want to say. joke. I don't want to ruin his joke. Shout outs, man. >> Assan's great. He's got a great joke. that compares it to to Diddy. >> He's filming a special soon, too. >> Yes, he is. I'm very excited for that. Yes, he is. this weekend. >> Oh, really? So, this coming up, >> this upcoming weekend at the Mothership. No, it's at the Black Rabbit. >> Black Rabbit. So, make sure you guys go. check that out. >> He is great. And he that guy works hard.

I've known him since he was a door man. at the comedy store. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Him and Derek do the the solid. show together. >> Yep. So, I got to know Assan. >> No, Assan's great, man. >> They have a great pod, man. >> Super smart dude, too. Very interesting. guy. Great green room hang. >> That's Yep. That's the other thing. It's. like uh. just being able to hang. Just being able. to [ __ ] hang is like people think. about like, oh, what are all these. competitive advantages? How do you do. this, that, the other? It's just like, can you [ __ ] hang out? >> Can you sit down on a couch and can we.

bust balls? >> Are we fun? >> It's that easy. >> Yeah. Are you fun? Are you easy? Do you. are you a happy person? Are you good to. get along with? >> Yeah. >> That makes it so easy. Yeah. >> It's like It's like simple things that. you learn in high school. Yo, there's Have you had any experience. where like there's a guy who's a fun. hang and you haven't seen him on stage. yet and you're like, I hope he's funny. >> Yes. >> Cuz I like hanging with you. >> Oh, there's some bad examples of that at. the comedy store where I saw someone. set. I was like, oh no, >> I can't be friends with you. Like, this. is too Fitz Simmons and I were laughing.

about that once. We saw this person go. on stage and then afterwards we went. into the back parking lot and Greg's. like, "Well, I can't be friends with. them anymore.". >> Greg cracks me the [ __ ] up, dude. Greg, is Greg from Boston? He's a Boston guy, right? >> We started out together like within a. week of each other. >> Yeah, it's all. >> I've been friends with that dude for. like 35 [ __ ] years, maybe more. >> Yeah, Greg is Greg's still in LA, right? >> Yes. Unfortunately, >> dude. Greg was there when I [ __ ] I. did some like.

I did some it was like a halfway house. show or something like that. I don't. know. I was just at the store and they. and they just asked me like, "Do you. want to pop on this one?" And it was. like. Greg was Joey. And I was like, "Yeah, sure. I'll go do it. And I did it. And I. was doing these like um. >> I did some Down syndrome. It was kind of. like long to be honest with you. >> Oh, that was the Down Syndrome group. >> I had no clue cuz they told me half. house. So I was like, "Oh, it's guys who. are like drug addicts, alcoholics." And. I did like a long bit about it and it. didn't grow great.

>> Like everything was kind of good up. until that moment and then it kind of. went south and I was like, "Oh, that was. weird." And I and I get on stage and. Joey's like waiting there or Greg, I. forget which way. They're like, "What. the hell are you doing?" And I was like, "I don't know." Like I thought it was. going well and then it just kind of. tanked. It's like. >> Yeah, cuz it's all of them. They're out. there. This is like a charity show or a. benefit for it. It's like you got to let. me know that. >> Yeah, you should let people know that. I. I had a very similar thing happen. I had. a bit about how like there's certain. words that are offensive, but wouldn't. it be better if instead of like banning.

these words, if like the government. issued like [ __ ] tags, like hunting. tags? Like you get five a year. He just. he's got to know when to use them, you. know. And these people were just This is. fascism. Government quotas. >> It wasn't even But I would be like, you. do not want to go outside on December. 31st when all the [ __ ] tags are going. cuz everybody's got three extra [ __ ]. tags they got to use. >> We're going to use them. >> Can't let these things go away. They.

don't roll over. >> But I did it there and people like I was. like what? >> Yeah. >> What's wrong? And then afterwards they. told me I was like how about a heads up? >> Wait, you did it also at How many of. these benefits they doing store? >> A ton. It takes a lot of money. >> Fair enough. >> You know. >> Yeah. >> It's uh an education thing, but uh I. [ __ ] up too. Same thing. And then I. was like, "Oh, why didn't you tell me?". >> I felt something in the I felt it, >> bro. I felt it. It was like it just went. and the look was like, "Does he not. know?".

>> I think they thought that I didn't. They. didn't. I don't think they thought I was. being edgy. They thought you didn't. know. >> They're like, "Oh, he doesn't know.". >> Right. Right. Right. You know, and so. they're like they have a sour like, "Oh. no, he doesn't know.". >> It's like if somebody was talking to. someone in the crowd before and. everybody knows about that person and. then you're doing something completely. unrelated and they're like, "Oh yeah, he. doesn't know that like she just lost her. husband.". >> Yeah. >> I'm just doing my five minute widow bit. >> Oh. >> yeah. >> Yeah. But that's the fun stuff. >> Yeah. >> That's what that's what Charlemagne. loves. He's just so he's like at his.

core he's like a real like comedian at. his core. Like to the point like he. he'll love bombing. He like walks. watching people bomb. He like really. likes that. He think it's I think it's. like a full emotion to him. And uh so at. the end of the the show in rehab, we. brought Alex Media was on the show and. he had to do one joke in front of. everybody and like the joke was pretty. good. Alex is a black dude and he's. like, you know, it's cool to be here. You know, I'll be honest. like I see. these outfits and uh it's the only time. I'm surrounded by guys in uh in white. sheets that I don't feel like they're.

going to kill me or something like that. Like some little cutesy joke. And then. Charlemagne goes, >> "Nah, bro. Like they're treating you. like the autistic kid that gets it going. in the fourth quarter. The ball boy." That joke wasn't it, bro. He's like, "Uh uh uh. They think that. you have autism and they're giving you a. shot at the end of the season.". >> Uh that's funny. That's funny. Yeah, he's a funny dude. There's a lot of. funny people that don't get into comedy. It's interesting. I've known quite a few. that are like, "Man, you're really a.

comedian." And you never really got. after it. >> You know, there's a bunch of people like. that. I used to work for a guy was a. private investigator. Was the funniest. [ __ ] dude I had ever been around in. my life. And I was trying to be a. comedian at the time. I was an open. micer. I was 21. And uh his name was. Dick Dolan. Dave Dolan, rather. He call. he call himself Dynamite [ __ ] Dave. Dolan. That was his name. He's whenever. I have a me I have a phone that I kept. it's uh an iPhone like 10 or some [ __ ]. like that and I kept that phone just.

because I have a voicemail on there from. him before he died. >> Yeah. >> He's like Joe Rogan. It's Dynamite. [ __ ] Dave Dolan. How you doing. buddy? >> And like he was just a funny [ __ ]. dude. He was hilarious. And I would uh. we would catch mostly people that were. doing insurance fraud. >> Oh. As a. >> he was a private investigator. And I I I. worked for him and the way I worked for. a. >> PI. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um I was uh looking. for a job and uh different things to do. to make money while I was doing standup. And uh he had this ad for it was a.

private investigator investigator's. assistant. I was like, "Ooh, that sounds. exciting." Really, what it was is he had. lost his license drunk driving and he. needed someone to drive his car around. cuz he still had to work. And so I met. him and he was f or his cousin was Bill. DS who owned the comedy connection. So. he was rel like we just we hit no it was. in Boston at the time. Oh.

>> and then it eventually went to Faniel. Hall and then now it's the Wilbur. Theater. But that was Bill Bloom and. Wright eventually bought it from them. But Bill Bill DS and Paul Barkley were. the original owners of the Comedy. Connection. And so I I and I was like, "How are you not a comedian?" Like, "You're the funniest [ __ ] guy I. know.". >> He was He's not interested. >> He was just funny. But he would like we. would like catch people doing stuff. Most of it was like insurance fraud, but. we'd have to like wait for them in front.

of their house at like 4:00 in the. morning for them to get up and have like. a fake job where they were like. pretending to be disabled. I've hurt my. back at work, but really they were. roofing somewhere. And we would catch. them, >> right? And and so we would be just in. the car, just me and him, and we were. just talking [ __ ] And he was I would be. crying. And I I remember I was dating. this girl and I I went over her place. afterwards. I was like, "This guy is so. much funnier than me, and he has no. desire to be a comedian.". >> It's it's like it's weird. Like he's a a. natural comic,

>> just. >> just funny all the time, >> you know? Had this I don't give a [ __ ]. I'm never getting married. You know, he. like always cheated on his girlfriends. Didn't care. He let them know like. >> he's like, "I'm not. >> He acted like a drunk even when he was. sober.". >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Even when he was sober, he was like, he. kept that whole we're on a bender. mentality. He just was sober and rode. that [ __ ] right into the rocks. Rode. that [ __ ] boat right into the shore. >> God bless him. >> And then died. God bless him.

>> Yeah. He He was a fun dude, man. Like. one of the most fun people I've ever. been friends with in my life. Some of. the most naturally funny people I think. aren't comedians. >> Yes. A lot. >> In the hang. And it's a different like. when you got to do it on stage, there's. different expectations and it changes. thing. But like just in the hang. Yeah. They're just they're almost like unaware. they're funny, >> right? >> They're not even trying to make you. laugh, >> right? >> You know, it's just kind of Yeah. It's. like an effortless to them. >> And some of them, you know, that do try. to do comedy like that never figure out. how to translate it, which is really.

weird. I think I think it's a it's. almost too easy for them in. conversation, so they don't do the work. to transition it to stage. >> or they have this idea of what they're. supposed to be on stage and it's very. different than what they are when. they're with their friends. >> That's the first thing I tell like young. comics that ask for advice. I just go, "How are you funniest around the people. you're most comfortable with?". >> Like, are you telling stories? Are you. self-deprecating? Are you kind of. roasting? Like the people you're most. comfortable with, how are you funny? And.

that I think is like the easiest way to. access like your voice or whatever we. call it and then just add 10 years of. trying to figure that out. >> Yeah. >> But like you're right, some people like. try to put on a cadence of what they. think a stand will talk about. And it's. normal in the beginning like you're just. trying to figure this [ __ ] out. You. sound like a. >> Exactly. Like in New York everybody. sound like a tell. Like when I was. coming up a tell was. >> even the way that they would do act out. sounds. It was all versions of a tell. And like naturally you're going to. gravitate to the best guy and what he's. doing. And I'm sure like in LA everybody. was trying to be Dne or something like.

that, right? >> A bunch of guys are trying to be. Chappelle. >> Chappelle. Yeah. And it's like, >> yeah, that that makes sense. >> Patrice would say that you were his. babies. >> He's got a I got a bunch of babies out. there. >> Oh, I mean I was a baby of Patrice for. sure. Like I remember seeing him and. just going like, "Oh my god, this is. this is the highest form.". >> Joey Diaz was the best example of a guy. who one day figured it out. Joey Diaz. was the funniest guy in the parking lot. The funniest. The funniest guy in the. hang. If you were in the back bar, he. was the funniest. He was holding court.

Everybody was dying. We're falling on. the ground laughing. Yeah. >> When he would get on stage, he would try. to be a comedian. Yeah. He would try to. like set up punchline, tell a joke. I. got a little joke for you. And And then. one day, he gave up. He gave up on being. cast in movies. He gave up on the dream. of having a sitcom. And he got real fat. >> Like when I first met Joey, he was built. like a linebacker. He was a tank. And. he's fresh out of jail. You know, it was. a different Joe. Scary Joey and Scary Joey uh gave in to.

Fat Joey and then uh Mity Shar call him. Fat Baby and that's all she would put. him on as the on the the lineup. It. wouldn't be Joey Diaz, it would be Fat. Baby. She wanted to call him Fat Baby. >> Oh, so he would lean into this. >> She had this idea of changing his name. to Fat Baby. Yeah. >> You know, she named people, right? She. named Carlos Mensia. >> What do you mean? >> She came up with that name. >> That's not his real name. >> No, it's not his real name. name is Ned. It's like Ned wholeness or something. like that. She came up with the idea of. him having that name. Yeah. That was.

part of the whole video of me like. exposing him. I was like, "You're not. even Mexican." And and the Mexicans in. the crowd were like, "What?". >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's he's close. >> Honduran. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Half German, half Honduran. But. whatever it is, >> bus stop. >> The thing is Mity named him. And so. Mitsy would name people and she wanted. to name Joey Fat Baby. And so the old. lineups I got some old lineups from the. comedy store and one of them it says fat. baby. >> I love it. >> I love it. >> But when he got fat, dude. Yeah. He when.

he started not giving a [ __ ] and he. would go on stage all the I mean all of. a sudden he went from. >> not having good sets, you know, to kind. of maybe it was a pretty good set to. destroying. >> liberating. Destroy. He was free. >> Yeah. >> He got free and he became the guy on. stage that he was in the back. It was. also around the time where marijuana. medical marijuana started like really. popping off in LA. So Joey was on like. 500 milligram Chibba juice all day.

>> Let it go. >> Just obliterated. >> Obliterated and and dosing people on his. podcast and. laughing. He was just a fullon maniac. and the absolute best guy to take on the. road with you. There was no one better. You take them on the road with you. You. guarantee you were having a party. everywhere you go. It's a party at. dinner. It's a party hanging out at the. hotel afterwards. It's a party. Joey. Diaz is there. We're having fun. >> And you know, and you just figured out.

how to be that guy on stage. And then he. became Joey Diaz. But it was like. everybody watched it happen like whoa. I. never seen anybody just figure it out. like that where like you went from being. uh a four or a five to a 10. >> immediately. >> and to a 10 to where people are lining. up in the back of the room going what. the [ __ ] man holy [ __ ]. >> did something happen like did something. happen culturally where what he was. doing was refreshing too or do you. really think he just changed?

>> He figured it out. He just fig he just. didn't He stopped I stopped giving a. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. I stopped giving a [ __ ] about. those [ __ ] people. >> I was worried about those people. You're. going to give me a job. I want I want a. job. I was a [ __ ] convict. I had to. be careful, >> you know. And then all of a sudden he's. like, "These people ain't giving me. [ __ ] [ __ ] these people.". >> Yeah. >> You know, and then was like right around. the time, ironically, that he did The. Longest Yard. >> So he got started getting movies, started getting all kinds of things. That's what happens. >> Cuz he didn't give a [ __ ] anymore. And. all of a sudden, he was just so funny. that he was undeniable. >> And then when you're undeniable, all.

those opportunities pop up. >> That's the other thing. It's like I. think there's I sometimes I hear comics. talk about like the importance of. networking. >> and I'm like it's so easy to network. when you're funny. >> Yeah. >> Like once you're funny, people want to. talk to you. Like once they admire what. you're doing on that stage, they want to. hang out. The people that are not funny. now you got to [ __ ] hang out every. single second and network and [ __ ]. >> But the worst is the networking people. that aren't funny that are always trying. to get work and you're like, "Hey, if I. wanted to give you work, I would ask.".

Yeah. Yeah. Like you're you're doing the. wrong kind of work. You're doing the. network work and not doing the why am I. not funny enough work. Yeah. >> What's missing? Why why do I not have an. audience? Like why why do people not. want to go see me again? Like what is. that? >> Yeah. >> I mean Yeah. It's they will see you. again if you give them a good show. >> If you give them a good show, but if you. don't, it's like there's a lot of comedy. out there, kids. >> There is a lot of comedy out there. >> A lot of comedy out there. >> Yeah. I don't know. That's why like I I. I'm like kind of strict on you just got.

to give them something new every time. you go in. Like I feel strongly about it. because it's like if they see the same. thing twice. >> and I'm talking about when I'm going out. on a tour. >> to a new Yeah. to a new market or a. market that you've been to. Yeah. Very. important. >> It's expensive. >> Yeah. >> Like [ __ ] is it's it's not cheap to go. out to a show, right? >> Like so if they're getting a babysitter, they're doing the whole thing and then. they see the thing they saw before, it's. like maybe they have a good time, but. there's a little part of them they feel. maybe taken advantage of in some way. Well, some of them they'll want to see. bits again. Like that's like the Hot. Pockets thing with Gaffigan, >> but I feel like they want to see that.

>> and a bunch of other stuff. >> Yes. Like if you giving them 45 of just. new heat that they haven't heard before, and then at the end. >> you tell the machine story. >> They love it. Yeah. >> And then you get to live in the. nostalgia of it. You get to take your. friend that you told this story to or. this joke, it's so funny. I hope he does. it. And then you get to watch them. experience it. >> It's like sharing a clip with them on. Instagram and just watching them laugh, right? >> So you get to experience that. like the. whole hour. No, you got to have. something like we got to. >> we got to we got to get at least for me. I'm like that is that's why I take time.

off. I'm like I. >> Well, that's the difference between. comedy and music, right? >> That's why music is [ __ ]. >> music I don't want your new [ __ ]. >> Right. Stop with the new songs Rolling. Stones. >> Imagine Oasis is doing a whole new. album. >> You know what I mean? Like you could go. here's a new one but I need to hear the. hits. >> Right. >> And that Yeah. music just has so much. more like such a great shelf life. >> Mhm. >> It's just if a song is hot. >> Yeah. such a shelf life. They have cover. bands. >> and we want to watch them. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I remember anytime in LA there was. a cover band for uh the [ __ ] was it? It was some 80s cover band. I don't. know. They were just playing like all. these like fun little 80s hits and it. was a thing that it would like sell out. Like people would go to one of these. venues and they go and they enjoy and. they dress up in stupid 80s [ __ ] It. became almost like uh what is that. music? What is that? Um. >> that movie that people would go see in. the East Village uh Rocky Horror Picture. Show. Remember that? Like you're almost.

like part of the performance in a way. Like you're leaning into this this uh. >> this this costumeization of what's. happening. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean I don't know. It's a. different art form obviously, but that's. the beautiful thing is like some. something could do go down today, >> you know, and then you can go on stage. with it tonight. >> and everybody's like, "Oh [ __ ]. >> that's I actually I I almost like don't. like it when there's nothing to talk. about initially, >> right?". >> Like I would rather like the thing. >> a new thing. >> we talk about it for at least a minute.

and then we're on the same page. >> because the first minute of com comedy. like it is an odd thing. I'm on a stage. You're all sitting. >> Yeah. >> I'm gonna talk as if we're having a. conversation, but you're not really. allowed to talk. >> Right. >> A minute in, we forget that, >> right? >> You know, it's like you're watching Top. Gun or something and you're like, I'm. real. This is real and I'm in the movie. >> But that first minute, but what's great. is when there is some sort of. controversy or some big news story and. like everybody's thinking about it, they're going, "Is he going to talk.

about it?" Like I'm sure anytime you. went through something and the first. time you hit the stage, you can feel. them. Yeah. >> Like waiting for you to address it. >> Yeah. That's to me. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's the best. That's the best. Yeah. That's the best. Well, that was Tony. after, you know, his cancellation. Like. he he went in hot and he his bits. tightened up, too, cuz he knew couldn't. have any fat in him because now people. want you. Yeah. They want you to fall in. your face. >> Yeah. >> I think that's a good I think that's. good to have. >> Oh, yeah. >> You shouldn't get comfy. >> Oh, yeah. It's real good. You need some.

haters. >> Yeah. It's motivation. >> Yeah. I'm going to make this show so. sharp that you're going to have to make. you're going to have to say something. else. >> or not or you know look stupid. >> Yeah. But they're never going to not say. something but they'll be like oh but. it's this but it's that. But it's like. you're not going to talk about the thing. that we all care about. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> There one thing we all care about, bro. Paddle. >> You're so addicted. I saw your bag. I. was like, what's in the bag? >> I'm going after I'm gonna play with your. boy after this.

>> Who you playing with? Woody Harelson is. like big Oh, yeah, he is. He's And uh so. we're going to go play. I think he's. like, you know, building a club out. here. >> What's he building? A paddle club. >> Yeah, I think where he's invested in one. of the clubs that's going out here. >> Wow. That's amazing. >> People get obsessed. It's like golf in. that way. Like people just get obsessed. with it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You got to pick the things that you get. obsessed with though. You can't have too. many of those things. >> I know. Because our wives won't allow. it. >> Yeah. Also, life is just you only have. so much time. Unfortunately, my things. take a lot of time. Like the pool one.

takes a lot of time. >> Being in the forest. >> Yeah, it takes a lot of time. Takes a. week. >> Yeah. I love I love when I text you like. out of the blue and I just get a picture. of you in like a foxhole. >> Just be like this [ __ ] sweaty grainy. picture. >> Oh, I sent you a picture of me hunting. pigs. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I was in a a ground blind. >> That's it. Yeah. I'm in a ground blind. right now. >> And you're still talking [ __ ]. >> Yeah. I had cell phone service. >> Talking [ __ ] while I was waiting for. pigs to come out. Where was it? >> That was in Texas.

>> It was in Texas. >> Yeah, that was out here, man. >> We need to get rid of them, right? Aren't they like uh. >> Oh, yeah. They're a real problem. Um I. got a lease where me and a bunch of. buddies have a a lease on this big piece. of uh hunting land. Yeah. >> And we go out there and you know, it's. you literally have to kill pigs and you. turn them into sausage and then I give. it to my boys. I bring it down to the. the mother ship. I I brought them. coolers of elk meat the other night and. everybody's like, "Grab an elk sausage, bring it home." Send me pictures of them. cooking it. that clip of you and and. Burr when you gave Burr the elk meat. I.

think it was on like a kill Tony at the. store or something the other day. You're. like, "Does it make you aggressive?" And. then Bur was like, >> "No, >> no, Joe. You [ __ ]. You were so hyped for him to be like, "Yes, yes.". >> Tony said it did. >> I gave him some elk meat. >> Yeah. And then he went on stage at the. [ __ ] Trump rally. >> No, it was the other night. The other. night I gave him some and he's like, "Dude, I ate it. I got all this energy. I just felt it. It's like It's like a. wild I go. Yeah, exactly. Like you're.

eating the essence of a wild forest. horse. >> Yeah. >> A forest horse that has swords growing. out of its head. >> Yeah. >> It's got spears growing out of its. [ __ ] head, [Applause]. >> screaming in the woods. >> That was the other That was the other. thing. When you did our pod, there was. like a compilation of the animal sounds. you make, which is the funniest [ __ ]. clip I've ever seen. Like you were g cuz. we got high. You came in hot like you had the. mushrooms rolling. We were smoking weed. and then you just started talking about.

bears and all of us are just like open. mouth like these [ __ ] claws were the. wild world is like you should be in. touch with that. Everybody should be in. touch with that. People have a. ridiculous idea what the wild world is. A buddy of mine sent me a video that his. buddy took of he's in Colorado and he's. driving down the street. I'll send it to. you Jamie. He's in Colorado driving down. the street and he sees a [ __ ]. mountain lion take out a deer right on. the side of the [ __ ] highway.

>> Yeah. >> I'm going to send this to you Jamie. right now. This is like. >> I'm domesticated. >> Any of these people that like mountain. lions are important. They're a part of. the ecosystem. Like these are wild. monsters that live in the Do you see the. one that I got in the lobby? Do you see. the mountain lion in the lobby? The big. stuffed mountain lion. But the one. you've always had the mountain lion is. new. actual mountain line. My friend. Adam Greenree shot it in Colorado. >> Okay. >> And it was. >> killing cows, like slaughtering cows on. this uh this ranch in in Colorado. Like.

this. Look at this. This is the side of. Give me some volume on this. Listen to. this. >> Look at this deer. This mountain lion's. got it by the neck. >> Oh man. Oh man. And he's trying to drag his wave. free. >> Sounds like my dog. >> He got out and then this dude helped him. with the horn. Every now and then the good guys win.

Ain't that crazy? But that's on the side. of the road in Colorado. Like that could. be a hiker. 100%. 100% that could be a hiker. >> It's a little lady. Some small lady. Some 100 pound lady that's walking. around. You know, >> are they the good guys though? I've. thought about that. >> The mountain lions? >> No, the deer. >> No, >> like the prey. No, >> they're food. >> Yeah, but but it's like they've evolved. to escape these guys and that's why.

they're still around, >> right? So, they have a competitive. advantage over the predators or else. they just wouldn't exist. >> No. >> But I guess I guess what I'm trying to. say is like. >> they don't have an advantage. They're. just hard to kill. >> Okay. They're hard to kill, but they've. evolved to be hard to kill. >> But they get killed every day. >> Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. But like a lot. of times they're going for the weak, they're going for the wounded or going. for the babies because if you go for. like the big dogs, it's going to be more. difficult. You're going to expend more. energy to kill them, >> right? >> But I look at the predators and I'm. like, they can't eat grass, >> right? >> Like they would love to eat grass. Grass.

is an easier life. >> It's everywhere. >> Unfortunately, they have to go attack. these animals that have the swords. coming out of their head, >> right? >> So, there is a version where I look at. it, I'm like, who's really burdened. here? Yeah, but the deer don't have the. swords coming out of their head to fight. off mountain lions. >> It's just a. >> They don't use them for mountain lions. They use them to fight each other. >> It's just a [ __ ] female. >> Yeah, it's just a dominance thing so. they could show the females that they're. the dominant males. They they have the. biggest racks and they smash racks with. other deer.

>> But they don't use it at all as defense. against predators. >> No, not really. >> I mean, that's stupid. >> They're not smart. >> Yeah, >> they're wary, but they're not. intelligent. They're not like clever. >> Yeah. >> You know, mountain lines are clever. Wolves are really clever. >> I don't [ __ ] with the wolves, man. >> Wolves are really clever. They they have. some sort of psychic communication with. each other. >> Oh, you you think that? >> Yeah. They coordinate and they don't. know exactly how they do it, but they. figure out traps. Well, like one wolf. will come in and they'll have other. wolves flank the animals. So, the.

animals start to scatter and the wolves. come in from the sides and get them. Coyotes do the same thing. >> And they'll hunt humans, too, right? >> They used to. They used to a lot. I. mean, World War I, they actually had a. ceasefire between the Russians and the. Germans because the wolves were killing. so many people, they decided, "We have. to stop and kill wolves.". >> So, they they came together, took out. the wolves, >> and then they just started killing. >> Yeah. Because you got to realize they're. in trench warfare, right? So, people get. shot and they're they're bleeding and. the wolves smell the blood. So, the. wolves were they would hear guys getting. torn apart in the middle of the night by. wolves. >> Christ, >> the wolves had made it in their way into.

the foxholes, were just ripping guys. apart. Imagine. you're you're lying in a trench and you. hear that like a hundred yards away, a. guy getting eaten alive by wolves. >> How much do you think people knew. about war during World War I? >> Very little. Right. I mean, they knew. war existed, but there's no footage. Yeah. >> Right. There's no photographs. There's. there's just a concept. There's this. >> and they're just being fed like. propaganda constantly from, you know,

their own countries. I just I like wonder what happens when. all those guys come home and they're. clearly traumatized, but everybody else has just been. consuming the propaganda about just, oh, look what these doing and they're. fighting for us and everything is. amazing and we're winning the war and. all this positivity that's probably. emanating through news and then these. guys come home and they start sharing. like the actual stories, >> right? >> Like. >> well they just come back shell shocked. like you ever see Peiquey Blinders that. show. >> Yeah, I watched a couple season when I. think Cormick McCarthy was directing.

No, no. Am I getting that name right? I. might be messing up. But yeah, >> McCarthy is the author, right? >> Oh, no. So, I'm thinking of a different. guy. Yeah. Did he do Angela's Ashes? Is. that. >> Cormic McCarthy? There's the craziest um. >> Who's the guy who directed. >> the craziest uh headline of all time is. connected to Cormick McCarthy. I'm going. send Jamie this. Look at this headline. This is an. article from The Atlantic. This might be. literally the craziest headline that. anyone has ever put in an article. before.

You don't have to pull it up. It's just. It's just a headline of an article. >> Cormick McCarthy's ex-wife pulled a gun. out of her vagina during an argument. about aliens. >> Little 38. >> Probably a 22. >> Yeah, we need to know. what. >> I need to know what he said about. aliens. >> It was probably a little daringer. One. of them little twoshot little tiny. pistols you could stick in your cooter.

>> To have a gun in your [ __ ] is. >> what? Just they were having an argument about. aliens. She's like I'm not hearing. anymore. >> Why was it. >> enough [ __ ]. >> But why was it in there? >> Cuz they're drunk as [ __ ] They're. probably having a good time. Most. writers I think like especially oldtimey. writers Hemingway was a big drunk. I. think those people part like Hunter S. Thompson, craziest of all. I think those. people party Stephen King when he was in.

his prime, cocaine, alcohol, all those. people that wrote great [ __ ] they were. all out of their [ __ ] head. >> Crazier than two, though. She went, >> "Dude, the exchange." McCarthy went into. her bedroom and emerged wearing. lingerie. Her boyfriend probably. thought, "Oh, great. Reconciliation sex. time. Sorry for being skeptical of your. out-of- body experience, hun." until. McCarthy pulled out Swift and Wesson out. of her vagina and proceeded to have. intercourse with the gun. I don't know. why. Intercourse. Uh asking her.

boyfriend, "Who's crazy, you or me?". >> Um. >> so she's [ __ ] herself with the gun. >> Yeah. Okay. >> My kind of gal. >> Yeah. What? Who's crazy? You or me? Why. you have a gun in your [ __ ] Um. >> you got it. You got it. M. So she was. she was telling him about having some. sort of an alien abduction experience. and he didn't want to believe and he. thought she was crazy. So she's like, "I'll show you.".

>> Yeah. You win. You win. I think you you. win. You got abducted. >> Yeah. >> I'm not arguing, >> bro. She might have. Yeah, >> she might have. Man, >> I mean, imagine you get abducted by. aliens and you have to tell people and. you're like a person who wants to be. taken seriously in all their walks of. life and you have to tell them that they. drain your sperm on a spaceship and. >> showed you hybrids. >> That's why I kind of I like believe the. Lazar dude like when we went to dinner. >> Yeah. >> He was he was like shell shocked a.

little bit. >> Like he was like reluctant. >> Uhhuh. >> Do you remember that? >> Oh yeah. Oh, that's why I brought you. I. was like, I come come sit with me. because this the first time I'm hang. hang hang hang hang hang hang hang hang. hang hang hang hang hang hang hang hang. hang hang hang hang hang hang hang hang. hang hang hang hang hang hang hang hang. hang hang hang hang hang hang hang hang. hang hang hang hang hang hang hang hang. hang hang hang hang hang hang hang hang. hang hang hang hanging with this guy. like I think you and me together would. be a fun combination to sit down talk to. Bob Lazar. >> and. it was just like he it was almost like. he didn't want to share it in a lot of. ways. >> and imagine people think you're a kook. for 40 years. >> for 40 years people have been thinking. you're out of your [ __ ] mind you're a. liar you make things up and then over.

time all of a sudden footage starts. emerging and like 2017 of these crafts. doing exactly what you described, moving. in a way that's exactly like what you. were saying. And then there starts. getting these whistleblowers, these. David Grushes and Lou Alzando say, "We. have a crash retrieval program. We've. had it for a long time. The problem is. these defense contractors have access to. this stuff. They lied to Congress. There's misappropriation of funds. There's a lot attached to this and. that's why they're not releasing it.".

>> Yeah. >> Which is nuts if that's true. >> Yeah. That's why I always say when. people ask me, they're like, I would. just be like, I believe he believes it. >> Yeah. >> I can't say what it is. Obviously, I'm. not there. I don't know anything. But. like I don't think he was a what are. they called? Like a charlatan or. whatever that word is. Like I don't. think he's making this up for attention, >> right? I believe he believes what he saw. >> and. >> something happened. He saw something and. he was a legitimate propulsions expert. and he he really did work for Los Alamos.

Labs, which is doing all sorts of wild. [ __ ] And then he really did work for. Area S4. Like somehow or another, he was. shipped over there to Area 51, site 4. And he says they have UFOs. He said they. have like seven of them. >> Good. >> He said one of them is really old. He. said they said it was a part of an. archaeological dig. Here's what's crazy about that. I have. this guy Ben Van Kirkwick. He um has. that YouTube page called uh Uncharted X.

and he's um Yeah. Yeah, great guy. >> Yeah, >> they have found through the use of um. ground penetrating radar, they found. these labyrinths in Egypt that are. >> Yeah. so [ __ ] huge and under underground. like deep underground but these massive. like corridors that lead into these. atriums like ma and they found a 40. meter long metallic object that's under. the ground.

>> in Egypt 40 m long metallic some unknown. metal that's under the ground and it. doesn't whatever it is they know it's. metallic it doesn't have any sort of. signature that is reminiscent of any. other metal that we know about. >> It was a specific It was a specific. historical site I think that they found. in Egypt. >> Heroditus talked about it. It's. >> what was it called? >> Um. >> I think it's called the Labyrinthus. I. think that's how it's referred. But. yeah, this is not like a like a figment.

of people's imagination like this is. something. >> historically documented throughout time. for thousands of years and that Herodas. talked about it being greater than the. pyramids of Giza underground. and since so in 1960 um Ben was telling. us in the 60s they uh built a dam and. you know to help the farmers in the area. and unfortunately it raised the water. table and it [ __ ] it up and it flooded. these labyrinths because otherwise they. would have just been able to dig down. into it and enter in. And now it's all. filled with water.

>> Is it filled with water or sediment. because of the expansion of the water? >> It's both. And there's sediment of. course that comes with the water, but. there's water, but then below the water. table is where the labyrinth. So he's. saying there might be a way that they. could tunnel from the side past where. the water comes in, but they don't want. to admit that it's real. Like all these. Egyptologists are kind of like freaked. out about it. Ozahi. >> Yeah, I saw that. >> Yeah. I don't know if that went the way. that he thought it was going to go. It. went the way I thought it was going to. go. >> Yeah, I know. Gavin, pay attention.

>> You know what I mean? It's not going to. go as you see it going. >> I'm really high on California. >> Yeah. >> I like how he's like trying to tweet as. Trump. Like, you don't even have your. own style. You're mocking his style to. try to tweet. >> Trump is Trump is kinder than me, bro. >> He's also making things up like. California derangement syndrome. Yeah. >> No, it's like these are facts. People. are frustrated. People from out there. and they have the right to be. frustrated. Don't gaslight your own. people. I think that's up I think that's.

upsetting. Like if I was from there and. I was upset with what was going on and I. complained about it and the guy who's in. charge says, "Oh, you're just deranged.". >> Yeah. Listen, you don't see a similar. uprising against Florida. >> You don't. >> Florida bmed economically during co. >> Yeah. >> You know, a lot of people moved there. Why? Because they had completely. different regulations and they allowed. people to be free. And now Dantis is. even talking about removing property. tax, which is a gamecher because that. really gross. I don't know. I don't.

understand any of it. >> Yeah, me neither. I don't [ __ ] know. But like. >> that is tricky though. >> Mhm. >> The idea that like you buy a home and. then you continually have to pay the. government to own your own home. >> How about even worse? What if you bought. a home a long time ago and you paid. $20,000 for it in like 1940 and now all. of a sudden it's worth2 million? So you. have taxes on 2 million. Oh, it's not. based on. >> different states have different rules. >> Okay. >> But in some states, you have to pay tax. on the amount of money your house is. worth. >> Is the justification that like this is. what maintains the streets and this is.

what maintains the community. >> Well, the justification is like say if. you buy a $2 million home, you should be. contributing with your property taxes to. schools and all sorts of other things, which totally makes sense. Yeah, >> but the problem is like if you're 80. years old and you bought this house for. $20,000 and you're on social security. and now all of a sudden you owe money on. something you already bought to a a. government that does a terrible job of. using your money. >> Yeah. >> Terrible job. Documented terrible job of. spending your money.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I just I don't know why he's. poking the I don't know why he's poking, man. I don't know why he's poking. Also, like, didn't Trump's kid pipe his wife. or whatever? >> His ex. >> Yeah. >> Well, >> I would have tweeted that. >> Like, that's I'm more petty than these. [ __ ] that, you know what I. mean? You're not going to talk [ __ ]. about me and my voice and my kid piped. your wife. >> That's coming out immediately. Why don't.

you pull my kid's dick out of your wife? That's my immediate tweet. >> Yeah. Interesting. It's interesting. I think I. think there is a pack. >> I've never thought about it. >> It is interesting. >> It's interesting. Uh it's just it's just. interesting. It's just. >> I think Yeah, I think you ran short of. words, son. For a guy was really good at. talking. They brought up Apac. You. clammed up right quick. >> real fast. I just I never thought about. it. >> Never. >> I thought about JPEG, but not Apac. I. definitely thought about it. >> Never thought about it. Never thought. about it. >> All right. Well, interesting.

>> Now you can think. >> Meanwhile, you just passed some sort of. a anti-semitism thing. >> Oh, there's another. >> Yeah. What was the the anti-semitism. thing that they just uh pushed through? >> No, wait a minute. Was it the one about. the schools that they then rebuked it? >> Oh, I don't know. It was just something. someone was connecting it to. This is. why Gav It was a Twitter thing that I. was reading. Someone was saying, "Oh, this is why Gavin Newsome didn't want to. say anything when they were talking. about Apac.". >> He wants it bad. Like you can tell he. wants it bad. >> But uh it's almost like having less time. in government is beneficial to becoming.

president. >> 100%. That's why I think if the. Democrats have somebody that's really. got a shot, it's that Terico guy, James. Tarico. I had him on my podcast. >> I think he's legitimate. I think he's. the real deal. Like what what he says he. is is what he is. >> Very religious person who has a really. good point when he talks about Texas. these very very wealthy billionaires. that are trying to turn the state into. theocracy and they want to uh that's why. they got the Ten Commandments pushed. into every school, all the public.

schools here. He's like, "They want to. defund public schools and fund religious. schools." And he's like, "These people. are dangerous. This idea is dangerous.". And like the far right is just as. dangerous as the far left. And if you're. on the right and you don't recognize. this kind of. >> this kind of [ __ ] is and this is a. really religious guy. >> and that's where you trust it even more. Someone that actually really believes in. it that's pushing back and goes this is. against like the values of our country. Yes. >> He might agree with all those things. that they're pushing but he's like I. don't think it should be like. governmentally enforced in schools. He's. very well-versed in the Bible and is.

literally in seminary right now. Like. this is a guy that's very religious, like legitimately religious and has been. his whole life. >> But that's the thing. You need to shake. [ __ ] up and you especially need to shake. [ __ ] up with your own party. I mean, that's what Trump did with Republicans. That's what any candidate that ends up. winning does is you have to be like the. candidate of rebellion to a certain. extent. Like you've even seen what's. happened in New York right now. Like you. could hate every policy that Mumani has, >> but you can't deny that he's at least. saying things that tap into the concerns.

and frustrations of New Yorkers. >> Right. You left those people out of the. conversation. Exactly. >> And now the chickens have come home to. roost. >> There it is. So it's like I will not at. all I'll I won't at all criticize him. for trying to fix problems that people. have when the other guys there are just. saying we're not going to do anything. >> Yeah. I think it was a lot of times the. frustrations with the the last election. It's just like people were frustrated. with Biden. They just didn't think that. he was all there. They didn't know who. was running the country and they didn't. like what was happening. And then she. came in and she wouldn't separate. herself at all. So that's on you. Like.

you have to give people you have to give. people hope and often times hope is. being the candidate of rebellion and. that usually is what ends up winning. >> Do you see that people ragging on her. conversation with Caris Wisher? >> She was on stage with Caris Wisher and. she even Carris Wisher was kind of like. ragging on her a little bit. She was. like, uh, you know, uh, a lot of some. people said that I was the most. qualified person to ever run for. president. Like, who said that? And. Cara's like, some people said that? Like, who said that? You are literally. running against a guy who was already.

president. So, if you're if you're going. if you're going based on your resume, you're not more qualified than Biden. Biden was the vice president of the. United States for eight years. Best. thing for the Republican party right now. is her book tour because every time she. talks on camera, there's a reminder as. to why she lost. When she went away for. a while, >> I think you could be like you could. pretend about what she was and what she. stood for. Yeah. But the second she does. an interview and she's like, "Yeah, I. couldn't have Pete be my vice president.

He's a gay.". >> And then Rachel M, what do you mean? She's like, "No, I'm not exactly saying, but he likes guys.". >> Yeah. >> You're like, "What what is going on. right now?". >> Right. It's too risky. >> It's too risky. >> Yeah. How dare you say Merry Christmas. >> How dare you? She's It's like the same. thing, man. Did you see your Columbus. Day message to to America? >> What was the Columbus Day? >> Oh god. It was like don't forget the. horrors that the Europeans did to the. Okay. Jesus Christ. Did he even get.

here? >> Scolding. >> Did he get here or not? >> Columbus. No. No. Did not get here. No. >> Keep that up with the Dominican Republic. or whatever. Like where he landed. >> That's what I'm saying. It's like, >> but it wasn't Columbus necess I mean the. idea is I think it's Indigenous People's. Day. I think it stopped being Columbus. Day after a while. Yeah. >> And they call it Indigenous People's. Day, >> which makes sense. >> Yeah. I mean, like, shout out to them. I. think it's funny when governments do. these things to like uh enforce care. Like anytime I'm performing in Canada, like if it's on like an indigenous area,

they make me do like. >> land acknowledgement. >> And I remember the first time they told. me, I was like, "You want me to do. what?" And they're like, "Yeah, we want. you to let them know that this used to. be native land." And I'm like, I. remember telling it to like the chief of. the tribe. And I'm like, "Brother, that. kind of seems like I'm bragging.". Like, I'm going up there and be like, "Yo, this used to be yours, but the boys. came in. Got y'all the [ __ ] out of here." Like, you really want me to go and remind. everybody what happened before the. comedy show? >> You know what my favorite part about.

that is? It's a land acknowledgement, but also saying, "We're not giving it. back.". >> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We stole. it, but it's ours now. >> So, what do we do? Who are we doing this. for? >> Sorry. We're going to acknowledge the. fact that we're on stolen land. But the. thing the thing is these people that go. along with that are also the same people. that want no borders and uh no one's. illegal being anywhere. Like Christopher. Columbus is the only immigrant they. hate. >> You know, that was there was.

>> there's no borders. You know, no one's. illegal, but yet these people shouldn't. have been here. >> We let a Spanish speaking guy into. America once. Went great. >> Can't put that up. >> Ended the Mayan Empire. They gave all. [ __ ] diseases. >> Jesus Christ. Hilarious. Think about. what they did what Cortez did to Mexico. I know. >> Like my god. >> I know. It's nuts.

Yeah. [ __ ] up [ __ ]. >> Yeah. It's like, yeah, human beings did. that, but also Yeah. bad. The diseases, the slaughter. Also, what they did to. each other was horrible. >> Yeah. I mean, human beings do [ __ ] up. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. We're here now. What are we going. to do now? That's my worry. Like, what. are we going to do now? It's like It's. like you going to the doctor, you got. lung cancer, and the doctor's like, "Let's talk about all them cigarettes. you were smoking.". >> And it's like, "Why don't we talk about. all that chemo you going to get me?". Like, tell me what we're going to do now. to get rid of this [ __ ].

>> right? Don't tell me about what I did. I. know what I did. >> Yeah. >> All right, brother. Oh, boy. >> Go play some [ __ ] paddle. >> This is fun. >> You got to come. >> This is I got to get you on a paddle. >> I can't today. I got too much [ __ ] to. do. >> All right, fine. One of these days I'm. getting. >> One of these days I'll go out there with. you. >> anyway. I love you, dog. >> I love you, too, brother. Always good to. hang. >> Always great to hang. >> Yes, sir. Amen. Yes, sir. All right. Bye, everybody. Peace. [Music]. [Applause].

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