Joe Rogan Experience #2393 - Bryan Callen

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. Let me tell you, I was at I was at uh I. was at Taran Tactical and I was shooting. and I I and Logan Paul was there and I. just met him and uh I hit a dove. >> No. >> I grazed a dove somehow. Right. >> Oh no. And the dove is dying around. there. Oh, >> yeah. And I So, um, Logan and I come up.

and I grab the dove and I'm going to. ring its neck so it doesn't suffer. And. Logan Logan goes, "Wait, hold. Let me. just see it." And he takes it in his. hands and and and instead of me ringing. its neck, cuz I don't want it to suffer. I swear to God, it was all, you know, how your the wing is like this. >> His his Jesus energy, his his whatever. his energy is, he held it in both hands. I swear to God, the thing kind of just. went just kind of put its wing back in.

and just [ __ ] flew out of his hands. And I was like, "All right, well, >> you were gonna kill it. >> I was going to kill it." I was like, "All right, >> they are delicious. >> Maybe that's Logan's celebrity power.". >> Do you know that it's like the most. hunted bird in North America? >> Listen, pigeon's delicious. And I was. just hunting them in London, sir, on the. outskirts of London. I just got back. >> Bob's like in the city. I don't think. you're allowed to do that. >> Um, >> this is why this is why I can't do. anything. Look at me. I I don't know how. to do this. Help me. >> It's like a door. You open the Yeah.

Like that. I know. It's weird. >> All right. Yeah. But you know, I should. be I get pissed when I can't figure out. little [ __ ] like that. >> Yeah. >> Like a child seat. >> I'm like, and I go I look at my wife. I. go, you do it. And I just throw my hands. out. >> What is it about men that we don't read. directions? I I never read directions. I. open the box. I look at this [ __ ]. [ __ ] Put that aside. I don't need. this. No, I'll figure this out. my my. wife remember one time when my kid was. really young I had to put together a. child's bed and I'm like I can do it and.

I go to put the bed together and and um. well I couldn't I I couldn't cuz there. were directions and I was like I the. screws you know how they number the. screws. >> and I'm sitting there like this and I'm. making noises I'm going. my wife's like what's wrong with her. stay out of the room apparently she gave. me the room get out of the room I got. this. >> you should do hard cardio before you put. together any child. >> Dude, no. This is what I did. >> Just get calm. >> I called I called my buddy and I go, "I'll give you $300 to come over here.

right now. Put this bed together." He He. builds houses. He comes over. He goes, "It's four slats in a frame. What kind. of a [ __ ] are?" Yeah. He couldn't. believe it. I was like, "Shut up.". >> That's different though. That's a guy. who's used to using his hands, not a. delicate man like yourself. >> That's correct, sir. I have soft I have. soft hands. I have I'm by the way, fresh. If I have some marks on my face, I'm fresh. Fresh from the uh from the. mat of doing takedowns at 58. That's a. good time. Oh, it's a great. >> How's your back? You all right? >> You know what, dude? My back is actually. good because I I've mastered the art of.

warming up. >> Oh, that's good. That's smart. >> I'm pedantic about it. Like, they make. fun of me and I'm like, "Fuck off.". >> Yeah, you should. >> I do my bird dogs, my fire hydrants. >> You know, Muhammad Ali used to work out. for uh well, he used to warm up rather. for an hour before he worked out. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. I watched how you stay from. getting injured. I did this thing with. uh Tosh, Daniel, Tosh and I um at at. Wildcard Gym where Tosh was getting. punched by Manny and I was like help. It. was like some silly sketch we were.

doing. >> Yeah. >> And uh but Manny was there for a real. workout day and just kindly uh allowed. Tosh like 20 minutes of his time and. they did this little thing. Um but I got. to see Manny work out and it is very. meticulous. It's all like these. He's. working out with rubber bands where it's. like short little movements and it's all. these twisting and turning. >> and he's got guys stretching them. He's. like, you know, he's moving around like. everything's very slow. Get the body.

warmed up first. >> Yeah. >> His first couple rounds of even we watch. him hit the mitts. His first couple. rounds of even hitting the mitts, it's. like tap tap tap tap tap. Yeah. Just get. everything get everything flowing. >> I watched Olympic ice skaters. I was I. was doing a gig at Laugh Boston and they. had some huge tournament and this woman. was in there. She was apparently an. Olympian. Watching the way she warms up. >> like like her ankles rubbing down all. these little details. I was like that. looks boring as [ __ ] But it is you have.

to do it. >> You have to. Yeah. Otherwise you wind up. all busted up and broken. >> But that it allows me to actually. wrestle. >> Like to be 58 and actually shooting. single and double legs against the. monsters in. >> That's silly. And I'm I'm with like you. know Sean Apersonson or Tyson Mendes. those guys at Arctype Boxing they're. just all muscle. >> and you're wrestling with them. >> Yes sir. Okay. >> And then Tim Kennedy. Those guys. >> Are you planning on getting hurt? Are. you trying to get hurt? >> Well Well I screwed to what if why you. feel pain? >> My my advantage is I I just go I make a.

I make a weird noise and then I fall. Yeah. I go like this and I tap or I fall. down. >> Did you see that video I sent you of. that 80year-old woman who completed an. Iron Man? >> Yes. >> 80 years old. She completed an Iron Man. triathlon. >> which is I think it's 120 miles on a. bike and then it's a marathon and how. what is how long is the swim? >> Did I say that to you Jamie? >> I think it's 2 miles 2.6 miles. >> That is crazy. >> It's so crazy. She's 80 years old.

>> But I think if you keep. >> if you do something every day like that. I I actually think you can. >> Yes. >> It's just keep a lot. >> like like what people never do is they. they don't. I don't know how to say her last name. Grabau. Grabau. >> Either way, Natalie, you're a monster. Amazing. >> 80 years old. >> So nuts. >> She became the oldest woman to finish. the Iron Man World Championship. >> God, >> that is so incredible. >> 8.8 km swim. >> Wow. >> So whatever that is in miles.

>> That's like 180 km in miles is like. 5,000 miles. I'm I'm not. >> uh I think what they're doing is killing. me. This must be a UK website. It's I. mean, >> covering this because I think it's all. done in miles, >> I believe. >> I've I've never had an interest in. endurance stuff. Do you? >> Um, I have an interest in it, but here's. the thing. Um, it doesn't matter, Jamie. It's a lot. >> Anyway, this whatever this lady did is. incredible. We don't need to break it.

down exactly to miles, but I'm pretty. sure it's like 120 mi bike ride and a. full marathon. I mean, at 80 all in a. day and a two mile whatever swim. >> What the [ __ ]. >> I I don't know. >> LA is a beast. >> Yeah, you're It's a be That's crazy. >> That's just will. That's just having a. [ __ ] iron will. >> The problem with that is it will consume. your life. Yep. >> That would that that obsession with. endurance will consume your life. Um and. you can let it do that if that's what.

you're into. I feel like you want to. find peace in the punishment that you. give yourself like David Gogggins does. When I talk to him, he's so he's so. crazy because he's doing all this stuff. by himself for no reason. >> Yeah. >> Uh he goes, "I'm getting lessons.". >> He's telling me he's like learning. things and he's not bullshitting. >> No. >> Like he's he really It's like he's like. a strange type of a monk that we've. never had before. >> So, let me ask you the question is is it. a is he a monk, which he probably is, or.

is he an addict? And you maybe you can. be both, you know. >> Yeah, you can be both. I think monks are. addicts, too, >> because they're addicted to being calm. >> They don't want any women in their life. They don't want any possessions. Like, dude, I'm good. Yeah, >> I'm addicted to just being like this. >> Yeah. They they doing this this um. neuroplasticity kind of like these scans. and they found that the monks that sit. around and meditate on joy, >> you know, they like think of the joyous. things that that part of their brain. expands. Okay. I mean,

>> they should talk to Charlie Sheen. because he was telling me a story about. how he got his dick sucked while he was. smoking crack for the very first time. and it was the greatest experience of. his life. >> Oh, yeah. >> He said to this day, nothing stopped. him. The greatest experience of his life. was the first time he smoked crack, a. girl was giving him head. >> Yeah. Well, you know, >> so tell that monk to go [ __ ] himself. >> My friend who did my friend who did. heroin, he he he um Well, I may as well. say it. Arty Lang already said he said. it on the podcast. He said, um, he did.

heroin the first time and as his head. hit the pillow, he went, "I'm in. trouble.". >> Oh, yeah. >> Like, this is just I'm going to chase. this dragon. >> Yeah. Dave Landau said a very similar. thing. >> He did it once. >> Um, I think it was Dave, right? It was. right. >> Dave, that [ __ ] that [ __ ] will for some. people that [ __ ] will grab you. >> I think for most people that [ __ ] grabs. you. Yeah. I think you have to be like. averse to doing things that'll [ __ ] your. life up. like you have to have like an. automatic. like maybe you grew up around alcoholics. or something like that or you saw I I.

didn't none of my like I didn't have. like a anyone in my family that ruined. their life with alcohol but I did have. friends that had uh close relatives that. I saw become addicted to cocaine and I. saw this when I was in high school so I. got like really scared of addiction and. I also when I was working construction. there was this [ __ ] dude that I was. friends with who was really cool. He was. uh an older guy. I mean, older than me, you know, I was like 16 at the time, 17.

And uh he was probably in his early 30s, but he couldn't keep his [ __ ] together. He just couldn't stop drinking. And he. would he would be good for a while and. then he would start drinking again. And. um man, he was so funny. He was so fun. He was like such a cool guy. And he was. a drummer in a band. And the band just, you know, never kind of, his name is. Robbie, and the band never kind of. [ __ ] got it together. But.

>> he was like, like he could have been my. best friend if like we were the same age. and we were hanging out together. >> It's just not sustainable. >> But I was watching a man who was a. carpenter. He was a Finnish carpenter. >> and uh you know, very talented. carpenter, but he would just ruin his. life every. >> both booze and coke. But booze would. start it off. It would be, you know, he'd all of a sudden be drinking a. Budweiser and then it was off to the. races. >> I don't That's the thing about uh.

addiction, you know. I I or just. anything in life if you want to be good. at something. I actually don't think you. can do it necessarily. I mean, some. people can maybe, but I don't know how. long when you say when you talk about. discipline, when you say I'm just not. going to do it. You you that works for. some people, but I don't think it works. for people like that. I think what they. have to do. >> their brains are different. >> Yeah. They have to figure out a way to. make sobriety more pleasurable than the.

other thing. And that's [ __ ] hard. >> Well, Jimmy Norton, you know, his mom. famously said when he was like hooked on. hookers. >> She's like, Jimmy, you got to take your. addictions and channel it into something. positive. Like it was really funny. He'd. talk about like how [ __ ] off the. rails he was, but how his mom would help. him, you know, like with that piece of. advice. But that is true. Like, so if. you can all of a sudden become a. marathon runner when before you were. just looking to score meth every day. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You definitely that's.

a better thing to be addicted to because. it's not going to ruin your life. It. might ruin your ankles and your knees. and [ __ ] but. >> it's not going to ruin your life where. it like takes away all your money and. you you wind up sucking dick for rocks, you know, like people do stuff. >> they do. Well, do remember I said to. you, we were talking and I said. >> I think you had gotten some, you know, it was in the press, you made some. signed some deal or something and I. said, you know, I've known you 30 years. and the one thing the the only thing. that's changed about you is you've.

gotten more peace of mind. like you just. haven't changed really like you just not. you haven't changed and um I said what. do you think it is which I'm always. careful about talking about because I. don't want anybody any of my friends to. get into their head about it right just. like shut the [ __ ] up you know what I. mean like don't start asking too many. questions but I was like gently kind of. going I wonder we were kind of exploring. >> what it is that keeps you grounded and I. you said to me I like to do something. really hard every day so it reminds me. what a [ __ ] I am well that that's the. same thing I feel about the I wrestle.

almost 4 days a week now, which is. ridiculous. It's actually embarrassing, right? But. >> I do it because it it it's hard and I. don't want to and I have to warm my. frame up and then I have to go wrestle. around with these [ __ ] monsters. But. there's something about it getting. better at it kind of slowly the. incremental getting better at something. and I do it because it's hard that. grounds me no matter what. I know I did. that today. And that's a really good.

starting point. That's to jump off of. >> Something there's something that you. know and if someone's listening and. they're not into that, you don't. definitely don't have to do that. Just. try to do yoga every day. Try to go to. uh one of those beer room 90minute hot. yoga classes. It's some of the hardest. [ __ ] I've ever done physically in my. life. >> No [ __ ]. >> So you don't have to like go wrestle. You could do something that more aligns. with your political ideology. >> No, I always say that if you're. especially I can't speak to women. If. you're a young man, you want to find. yourself. Just get really good at.

something like just get good at [ __ ]. the piano. I don't care what it is. I I. always use jiu-jitsu or something like. that just cuz it's hard, but it's it's a. it's a placeholder for a lot of other. things. >> Well, it also lets you know that there's. a process in life that you can apply. like universally. And that is like focus. and attention and you know and this. objective. goal of getting better. And then you see. progress and then you realize like oh. this is kind of applicable to just being. a human being. Like you can get better.

at being a human being by by thinking. about okay I [ __ ] that up. I [ __ ]. this up but I did that good. >> Oh what did I do differently? Oh okay. let's do more of that. That would be. over time you get better at being a. human being. Yes. >> Right. But if you don't ever try to get. good at anything, >> you're the same douchebag you were when. you were in high school, but now you're. 48 instead of 16. Yeah. And you're you. have the emotional maturity of a child. >> And there's a lot of people out there.

running around like that. >> that are just grownup babies. I know. And they mask it with. >> they'll mask it with a good vocabulary, you know. >> Yeah. or or they'll mask it with uh like. um you know part of like everybody wants. to be an individual, right? You want to. be a little mysterious. You want to have. a little like a skill set. And one of. the great things about standup is you. you know no matter where I am, I know I. got that like I'll put me in front of a. group, a crowd of 100, 200, 300 people, doesn't matter. I don't care who they. are, I'll make I'm going to make them. laugh. I know how to navigate that space. for an hour. That's a nice thing to.

know. But if you don't have that, you. don't have a skill set, if you don't. have something, what happens is you then. negotiate individuality. with um autra as they say in France, which means might dye your hair blue, of. course. And and get all kinds of tattoos. and then and then do some crazy [ __ ]. Yeah. Yeah. >> Got it on my desk. >> But you have no face tattoos. >> [ __ ] Not yet. >> But you're going to you're going to do a. lot of [ __ ] You're going to do a lot of. [ __ ] Tip of my nose. >> Yes. Yes. >> Yes. Get your nipples. Get two hearts on.

your nipples. >> or get them pierced. That's the best. >> That's hot. >> You're definitely making good decisions. 58 years old. Rods through your nipples. and you're man, >> it's a new look. I'm trying something. out. >> Lol. >> But you know what I mean. You'll do that. and then you'll attach yourself to some. political thing. Yeah. All those people. that are protesting on the streets and. 99% of them are losers. The other ones. work for the Fed. >> I have a whole joke about that. It's. like [ __ ] uh you know, >> it's FBI agents and losers. That's all. it is. The whole [ __ ] every protest.

is FBI agents and losers. >> I talk about this all the time. I'm. like, for for me, you want me to join a. protest? You want me to get out on the. street first of all to make a sign? The. [ __ ] out of here. And then. >> you don't have to make the sign. There's. there's a guy with a van who's paid by. George Soros and he's got stacks of. signs that were made at Kinkos, okay? They're not homemade at all. And you. just [ __ ] just pass those bad boys. out. >> I'm never leading your revolution. My. problem is my sign would say uggh or. it's complicated.

>> Yeah. >> Well, if you're really trying to get. your life together, but there's some. things, you know, that people feel need. to be protested. Like people in the UK, like they're a polite group. This is a. polite society, England, for the most. part, you know, and they've gotten to. the point where they're like, "Okay, >> this is kind of nuts." Yeah. >> Like what are you guys doing? They've. arrested 12,000. people this year for social media posts. Isn't that insane? And counting. >> Yeah. And they're arresting people for. just saying things in public like I like.

bacon around uh Muslims. Yeah. Is that. true? Yes. >> Cuz you're in you're you're being. annoying. I looked up that that u. >> it's some kind of a an information act. that uh and if you one of the things is. if you're if you post annoying. >> annoying. I was like what? >> That's everything I've ever post. >> I'm annoying. >> And the Brits are the Brits are famously. sarcastic, >> right? And also it depends entirely on. who you are because like what's annoying. to me might not not be remotely annoying.

to other people. So I get to decide. whether or not you've committed a crime. >> They would they would have arrested. Trump 50,000 times, you know, >> at least. >> But uh that's that's a I I always say. that the Brits they the Brits I don't. wake them up. >> Yeah. >> Because they come alive. That small. island of pale people conquered the. [ __ ] world. Don't don't be like cuz I. think that there's the Irish too like be. careful now. Be careful because they're. very comfortable in a couple situations. They come alive and when when it comes.

to soccer, i.e. football and fist fights. and [ __ ] war. >> Yeah. And fist fights. >> Correct, sir. >> Just a long history of warriors both. Ireland and the UK. Yeah. And great. They make great mob movies. Boy, Guy. Richie's [ __ ] show Mob Land, dude. >> Have you watched that show on Netflix? I. love his movies. >> Oh my god, it's good. It's so Is my bill. on Netflix? No, it's Paramount Plus. They're It's all the same. One of them. streaming ser. It's not all the same. I'm sorry. One of those streaming. services has it, but it's [ __ ] great.

>> Yeah, >> it's [ __ ] great. >> No, they don't. They don't. >> And it just shows you like how crazy. like the UK mob scene is. It's like it's. probably pretty accurate. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's uh they always the SAS. and stuff. >> What is it, Jamie? >> Paramount. >> Paramount. Paramount. >> Paramount. Yeah. It's good though, huh? >> It's real good. One of the best shows. ever. >> Yeah. >> Like as far as like you know dramas. where you follow them along which really. ruined movies. >> This episode is brought to you by. Visible. You know that one friend who's.

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>> Are you talking about like a a shoot. with a gun? >> I did a pheasant shoot. >> Oh, you went hunting, >> sir? Yes. And now at night we shot deer, but in the mo in the morning time you. have they do drives and please follow. along. We we we wake up, we have a a. wonderful breakfast at the estate and. I'm paying for none of this. And then we. uh we go out and we have a loader. I had. a loader because I can't load my own. shells. I had a loader who is a British. guy. That's what they do. And then the. villagers beat the bush to get the. partridges that have been stocked.

>> Partrides or food? >> Sorry. Both. Both. Both. Now it's a huge. business. It it supports an entire. community. So these shoots are, you. know, they're very expensive. So the. person sponsoring it pays essentially. all these everybody's making money. >> Rich people recreation rich people. recreation and um but uh there's. something there's something I don't know. what were we talking about. I lost my. train of thought. >> You're talking about English people. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. They're so sarcastic. So. I've got this loader um who's next to me.

and uh I'm missing the birds. I'm not. good with a shotgun. And I just they're. coming right at us and I'm [ __ ]. literally just missing all of them. And. at one point he looks at me and goes, "Are you a vegan?". Like, "Fuck you, dude." He just quietly. said that to me. >> That's hilarious. >> He goes, "Swing your barrels. You. >> Well, you have to learn how to do that. I um actually in the UK learned how to. do it. I learned how to do it in. Scotland.". >> Oh, you did that, didn't you? >> No, I did clay pigeons. You know, the.

the those are really fun. Yeah, that's. >> And uh you learn how you have to lead. them and you learn like how to shoot. with a a a shotgun. >> where you're you're kind of like you. kind of it's almost like feel like you. feel where the pellets are going to go. and you want the disc. >> You got to swing your barrel, >> right? So, so when the bird is coming, you you you go belly, you go tail, belly, beak, and you keep you pull the. trigger as you lead the bird. So, it's.

like throwing a football and then they. run into the pellets and they they. perish. >> It's so different than any other. shooting that I've ever done because all. the shooting that I've ever done, you. have to be dead still. Like everything. I've shot with a rifle rather. So, rifle. shooting, you you don't move at all and. it's just about control and controlling. yourself and staying calm and not. flinching when you pull the trigger. But. this is so different. It's like, you. know, they used to say that like the. Comanche, one of the things that was. crazy was they some of them weren't even.

really accurate with a bow. If you just. gave them a bow and told them to shoot. at it like a target, right? >> They weren't accurate really. but on a. horse. So on the horse, the gallop and. they had this [ __ ] zap. They knew. where that arrow was going. >> So they're using the chaos. So what the. movement and all the like the darting. around like they just guide the arrow. like in the middle of chaos and war. >> So you love archery. Do you know what. what was a game changer with art with.

with shooting. shooting a bow from a horse? You know. you know what invention changed. everything? Probably sterups. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, because they can hang over the. side. >> That's right. Well, you can also stand. up and break, you know, so it's like you. can stay steady. >> and then shoot the. >> Comanche used to run like very similar. Like that guy is [ __ ] badass. >> That's a That's a Mongol, bro. >> That guy is so badass. >> That's where that guy Shavecott comes. from, I think. Look at that. >> Yeah, but the kind of core strength you. have to have to do what that guy was.

just doing. Go back to that first one, J. >> Live on horses. >> Oh, is it a YouTube or something? >> You know who can ride horses like that? Who's that? Who's that good at horses? Sylvester Stallone. >> He Oh my god, >> bro. That kind of strength to be able to. hang completely sideways. Like when it. starts in the beginning, that's not as. impressive as the very first frame. Go. to the very first frame. Look. Look. Look at he's Look at his positioning. That is bananas. That's bananas. >> Like his spine and his core are so It. must be so [ __ ] strong.

>> Think about fighting him. If you've got. a sword and you have to deal with a. group of those dudes in. >> there's a lot of bad [ __ ] from. that part of the world, bro. A lot of. bad [ __ ]. >> where they hunt with evil. >> is actually from the place that Borat. used to always make fun of. >> Kazakhstan. >> Kazakhstan. Kazak. >> Kazakhstan. Like and they hate him. They're like if he comes there, they're. going to kill him. >> My bet. Yeah. >> Yeah. Like they cuz they made everybody. look like a goat [ __ ] and a [ __ ] and. meanwhile they're like some of the. fiercest [ __ ] human beings on earth.

>> Yeah. You know, like Shavkcott, unfortunately, just injured his knee. again. >> He did. >> Yeah, man. He had surgery in his knee. He was rehabbing his knee and blew it. out again. And now he has to have. another surgery and now it's 10 months. There's a few guys that I've known who. have done that where they got ACL. reconstruction. I don't know if Shavat. had ACL, >> but any kind of reconstruction of the. ligaments, >> you um you feel better before you're. better. You got to be real careful. got.

to be real careful because what happens. is when you get a a reconstruction of. your knee. So like say if they use a. cadaavver. >> that does not become your new tendon. What that does is becomes a scaffolding. for your new tendon. And so your body. has to proliferate that scaffolding of. the dead guy's tendon with fresh tendon. meat. >> really. >> And eventually it becomes your tend to. wait for it to wait. But it feels good. right away. But you've got a rotten old. piece of meat in there that your body is.

taking over with its own tissue. >> Wow. >> Did you Didn't you have that done? >> I had that done. Yeah. >> And And how long did it take you? >> 6 months. >> Really? >> Yeah. 6 months I was doing jiu-jitsu. again. >> But you couldn't do anything until then? >> No, I was being really smart. I I was. really smart about it because I that was. my second knee reconstruction. I had my. left knee reconstructed, too. That was a. patella tendon graft. And that one took. a lot longer to heal because you're. taking a chip out of your bone, a chip. out of your shin, and a slice of your. patella tendon, which is a very thick,

large tendon, and then they open you up. like a fish and screw both of them in. place. It's very invasive. Whereas the. one on the right knee, um, the ACL. reconstruction with a cadaavver was a. really easy recovery. Like, uh, I was I. went to a party like six days later with. just a brace on, just walking around. >> Damn. Yeah, it was not bad at all. I. mean, I was careful with it, you know, but I was very diligent with the rehab. Like every day I was doing rehab every. day and like really doing it like not.

bullshitting around. I was doing like I. would go in the steam shower and do deep. squats and. >> wow. re rebuilt all the tissue before I ever. even thought about doing jiu-jitsu. again. But jiu-jitsu six months later, no problem at all. >> Wow. What protects me is my um moderate. temperament. >> I'm I'm good at like you being like I. can feel a little something. I'll be. stopping now. You know, you probably. don't have that, Gene. You just keep. going. >> I'm terrible at that. That's why I get. hurt sometimes.

>> because I meatthead my way through. things. >> [ __ ]. >> I just decide to push through the pain. and next thing you know, you got. something legitimately wrong. >> Well, that's it. Like I was doing toes. to bar. >> where you and and hanging and I my wrist. has never been the same. >> Like, you hurt your wrist. >> Yeah. I pul I broke something or did. something where I it's you know there's. certain angles. I know but the problem. is you're way more fragile than you. realize. >> You are for sure. >> Yeah. Well, I unfortunately. unfortunately. >> you know what I've been doing is. tougher.

>> Every day I hang for two minutes. >> every day. Every day. And it's new. It's. I've only been doing it like the last. >> What do you get out of it? >> I think I feel better. Like my spine. feels better. I've been doing a bunch of. things at the same time. So, it's hard. to tell what has the most impact. I. think they all have a lot of impact, but. one of the things I've been doing is. like I go to this guy and get trigger. point work, right? Trigger point. massage. It's It's so painful. It's some. of the most [ __ ] It's not massage. You can call it massage. It's this guy's.

digging elbows and knuckles into like. your IT band and Yeah. different parts. >> That's my calves. I'll [ __ ] cry. different parts of your spine, different. parts of your calves, your your legs, your your lower back, all that stuff, but also hanging every day. And the more. I hang, in the beginning, I was like, I. wonder if this is going to like really. help anything or if it's just me trying. to see how long I can hang. >> Yeah. >> Uh, and so now I do two minutes. I just. hang there, by the way.

>> Yeah. Um, I can go to 237. That's the. longest I've gone at. Right now I'm like. 202. >> But I wonder probably first of all makes. your hands really strong. >> It makes my hands real strong. They're. very callous now. Like maybe more. callous than they've ever been. They've. always been kind of callous from kettle. bells, but now I'm getting different. ones like on the front. >> Yeah. >> fingers. The the the pointer fingers. I. always get my calluses on the right. where the ring finger is for some reason. on both hands. That's the biggest. calluses. I guess that's where it grip. the hardest or where it grinds around.

the most. >> But my back feels better. It just feels. like looser. M like it's got it's like. it's and I'm like okay well I've only. done this for a few weeks every day like. what if I do this every day for a year? Like what happens? Does it can you. actually decompress your spine? Well, it. turns out you can. So I started going on. YouTube and following people's uh. hanging journeys. Yeah. This is one. lady. She I guess she broke the world. record. She hung for 23 minutes. >> What? What?

>> Isn't it funny how a human body if you. can you can train yourself to do almost. how you can adapt but that's nuts. >> There's people out there that are just. different than you. >> I know that. >> they have not just you like everybody. listening they have a different will. Their will is different. The w the kind. of will that you have to have to hang. from a bar for 23 [ __ ] minutes is so. crazy. >> This guy does it for 2 hours and 22. minutes. >> What? What? >> He's switching arms obviously but you. know what life is. Think that lady has. the ladies record.

>> Life is too short to hang from a bar. that long. >> 2 hours and 22 minutes. That's pretty. crazy, though. >> It's crazy. >> That guy must be a [ __ ] some kind of. crazy rock climber, right? >> His body His body looks pretty uh pretty. normal. >> Well, it's all really about your hands. and your grip. If you are a rock. climber, I mean, you have to have leg. strength and flexibility and a bunch of. other things as well, for sure, but god, your grip is what keeps you alive. Without your grip, you don't have jack. [ __ ]. >> right? But um this lady that was doing it, I.

was just watching her doing it. She was. doing the same thing. She was like. switching hands and [ __ ] So you give. your left hand a break and then you hold. on with your right hand. Give your right. hand a break with your left. >> I think your body I do it I I find that. the game changer for me was when I. stopped stretching and started. strengthening. Right? So you can. stretch. You should do some stretching, but my routine before I wrestle or. something is to strengthen. So I'll warm. it up. So I do I do strengthening. exercises for my lower back. Okay. And. all that stuff, right? >> Like planks and stuff. >> Yeah. Or just No, just like bird dogs.

and fire hydrants and you know, all that. [ __ ] And uh that stuff is that that's. been the game changer. Like with my. shoulders, I was getting tendonitis, right? And then I just started doing all. these different shoulder things with. bands. >> right before I do it. And sure enough, you get stronger. My neck, same thing. My neck. People don't work their neck. >> like as they get older at all. I think. your neck is really important. >> Oh, for sure. What do you do? I do that. iron, you know that and then I get band. sometimes and I'll just turn like that. like I'll be on my.

>> the best thing about the iron neck in my. opinion is there's other stuff that you. could do like harnesses where you do. like chin-ups with your ne or like not. chin ups like like you think of like you. have this harness around your head and. then there's a chain and at the end of. the chain is a dumbbell and then what. you're doing is just using your neck to. lift the weights. The guy from Iron Neck. had a real good point. He's like that. that puts like weird stress on your all. those different discs. >> It does. >> Yeah. When you're Yeah. >> Huh.

>> And he's like, you can really get hurt. Whereas what you want to do is. strengthen your neck so that it doesn't. do that. Right. In all sports, in. sports, it's very rare that you use your. neck like that. I used to use my neck in. jiu-jitsu. And I actually started. developing a problem. I had a bulging. disc for a while. And that it was one, it was also definitely getting caught. and not tapping like a dumbass. But two, it was arm triangles. I was I had a. really good arm triangle, head and arm. choke. So if I got mount on someone and.

I was able to isolate that arm that I am. I have a really good head and arm choke, but in that head and arm choke, I'm. using my neck. That's part of the reason. why it's good because I have a thick. neck. >> So because if I can get your arm right. here, I got another weapon. Yes. Like. you're thinking about my arms holding on. to you, but I'm holding on to you with. this and this is strong as [ __ ] If I. get you in this position and I'm holding. that arm there, but the problem was I. was developing like a real pinched nerve.

and then it wound up making my. fingertips numb and then that's when I. found out that chiropractors are quacks. I went to a chiropractor for like a year. and just gave this guy money to [ __ ]. me. It was like, god damn it, it made me. so mad. Your foot. >> pressed on the top of my head to see if. I had a bulging disc. I'm not kidding. >> I go, maybe I have a bulging disc. And. like, I just thought this guy was cool. I thought he was a doctor as well. I did. know that chiropractors go to zero days. of medical school and they get to call. themselves a doctor. I also didn't know. that chiropractic, the whole idea of it.

was founded by a magnetic healer who uh. like it came to him like a seance or. some [ __ ] He was a complete fraud. And. his son, who was a con artist, took over. the business, son ran over him with a. car, by the way. Killed that guy. Really? >> Yeah. Son killed the dad, ran over him. with a carath and then took over his. business and then started saying that, you know, the cracking people's backs. can fix leukemia and all kinds of. >> Sure. >> You have to you have to align your. meridian points. >> Oh, yeah. Horseshit. It's all made up. stuff. But there is something beneficial.

about manipulating your spine, though. This is what's interesting, right? There's something beneficial about um. massage and a lot of the other things. that they're doing. They're essentially. loosening up like this trigger point. [ __ ] that I told you I've been doing. That's the extreme version of it, which. I think is way more effective. But. there's something to the manipulation. >> Well, it releases, but there's also a. lot of people that have had [ __ ]. serious consequences of getting their. neck cracked where they have strokes. Correct. and like things [ __ ] like.

there's a there's a guy I just saw on um. the news the other day that had. compartment syndrome where he's like he. can't move his body anymore because he. went to a chiropractor and before he's. like this like smiley happy guy like. >> nightmare. >> and again this is not all chiropractors. a lot of chiropractors I'm sure give you. benefit because I think there's. something to like loosening you up. >> pushing on you and there's a physical. therapy aspect this episode is brought. to you by Simply Safe The world can be. scary sometimes. I mean, take the news.

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There's no safe like Simplysafe. >> Some chiropractors know what you're. talking about. So when they go into it, they study physical therapy. So I had a. chiropractor say to me, "Your hips are. your you're you're atrophing your ass is. atrophing on the bottom. So, you have to. strengthen that part because it'll bring. your hips into alignment. He was dead. He was right on. >> Yeah. Physical therapist, but that's. what he really is. He shouldn't be. saying he's a doctor. Correct. That's. what's crazy. It's not that there's no. benefit to it. It's like they all want.

to call themselves doctor, too. You. know, I'm Dr. Rogan. Like, come on. >> You know who the um you know, Squat. University? You ever follow that that. account? >> Oh, dude. that guy, everybody I know, like he trains Olympic weightlifters and. real Olympians and he'll show you what. what he's he knows the body so well and. this is the greatest. I I DM him because. people I respect were talking about how. they they follow him like I know a lot. of trainers who follow him and stuff and. if you if you go to his thing you'll see. he demonstrates how somebody will have.

an impingement. this is an Olympic. weightlifter or something pain for two. years and then he'll give them an. exercise literally an exercise and it. will actually change them almost. instantaneously or within a couple of. days right and because he really. understands the body so I had heel pain. really bad heel pain I would wake up and. I couldn't walk so it's like is it. planter fasciitis what's going on. >> you had gouts son. >> yeah right and so I go to a couple of. podiatrists and they make me the implant.

It's like you just need art support and. all that. I DM him. I can't remember his. name. And he um he said, "You know, I'm. going to send you a video on a guy. Your. shoes may be too narrow." And what's. going on? >> You do wear those [ __ ] goofy. >> No, not anymore, bro. >> Dress shoes. What do you got? >> Oh, those are I got my Nikes on. But I. did I would wear those kind of, you. know, you want to be cool. And what was. happening was my big toes being every. time I would wear a blazer. Every time a. blazer, I would sometimes be like, "I'm.

going to wear a blazer and a color. shirt." And I'd walk in and you'd go, "Hey, you teaching substitute school? You a substitute teacher again?" I'd be. like, "Fuck this, man. Take it off." So. much for that. I Anytime I wear a. college shirt, you. >> were wearing slippery shoes. >> Oh, yeah. >> You were wearing those weird dress shoes. that are slippery. >> I try I try to I try to change it up. I'm like, I'm going to dress like an. adult. I want to be like Jordan. Peterson, but it never lasts. >> An adult. >> Can't do it. >> Yeah. Yeah, you got to give up on that. >> But he told me, he goes, he said, I. think what's happening is your your big. toe is being pushed in and sometimes.

that cuts blood off to your heel. So. your heel is actually is actually. getting necrosis, actually dying. You're. not getting blood. >> Wait a minute. The blood has to go. through. >> the heel to get to the It's not like. Does it go that way? >> Yep. There's an artery. >> goes all the way to the end. >> when you push here, >> which is the end of the line, which is. your toes. As a doctor, I can tell you. as you push here, >> then it turns around and goes through. the heel. >> It whatever this when this happens, it. blocks blood flow. The it it blocks the. the the artery that's taking blood. I.

wore wide toe shoes like that. Within 5. days, all my my pain was gone. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah, >> that makes sense though. >> And no podiatrist knew that. He did cuz. he studies the body because he works. with right. >> the top athletes. And if he doesn't get. results, he doesn't get paid. That's. that's that's you have to look at. >> Do podiatrists ever tell you you should. do foot exercises? Well, do you go to a. podiatrist and they say what you really. need to do is wear barefoot shoes and. pull a sled, >> you know, like you want to do foot. exercises? You use some of those like.

bare like Vivo barefoot shoes and pull a. sled. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> You'll get stronger. >> You you'll feel every little part of. your foot like pushing and that's how. they're supposed to engage. You know, traditional shoes are essentially like a. cast. There's this hard thing that that. separates you from the ground. So your. toes don't articulate and push and. everything is just like from the leg. into this cast and that pushes down. because it's like this big spongy hard.

surface that you put your [ __ ] foot. into. >> How much do you how often like how many. you work out? Like how long a day? >> Every day at least an hour. >> That's a lot. I like to do a couple. hours though because I like to have like. especially if I'm strength training, I. like to have long weights in between um. exercises. It allows you to fully. recover before you do it again. >> How heavy do you go? >> That's uh it's all based on Pavle. Tatsulene. Um his um it's all from the.

Russians like how they would train. kettle bells. He and his philosophy is. that strength is a skill and you should. never do a skill when you're tired. So, if you're if you're doing like power. cleans, like if I'm doing a cleans and. presses, I'm waiting five minutes in. between each set. I'm waiting a long. time. Mhm. >> Really? >> At least. Sometimes 10. >> So, you're doing Olympic Olympic. weightlifting? >> No. No. Kettle bell stuff. Okay. >> So, I'm cleaning and pressing like u you. the heaviest I usually use is like 70.

lbs. Every now and then I'll [ __ ]. around. I have like I have a Bigfoot one. that's like 92. I'll bust out some reps. with the Bigfoot, but most of the time. I'm doing 70 lbs. That's my heavy my. heaviest. >> And what is that for you? Like like uh. >> So I do sets, three sets of 10 cleans. and presses. >> And by the 10th, how tired are you? >> Not tired at all. That's the whole. thing. The whole thing is you get all. the reps that you would get if you. smashed them all together if you only. took like a minute off in between each. set and went through it. >> So you get all the strength, but what.

you're not doing is you're not operating. under fatigue. So it's not. >> So you're not pushing failure. >> No. And it's not a muscular endurance. that No, you're not pushing failure at. all, which is also I thought was crazy. The philosophy is it's not the failure. that gets you strong. It's the amount of. repetitions. The whole thing is the. amount of repetitions. Now, if you do. three sets of 10 and you do them back to. back, boy, you get to that third set, you might barely be able to get up that. 10th rep, right? Because you're.

exhausted because you've done cleans and. presses. you gave yourself like a minute. rest in between sets and then you went. and did it again and a minute rest in. between the third set and then you. you're [ __ ] tired as [ __ ]. >> right? >> But if you're waiting 10 minutes in. between each each set, you're doing the. same amount of work but easily. >> So you you have a less of a chance of. getting hurt. And your goal is not. muscular endurance. Your goal when. you're doing strength training is just. strength. That's what you're trying to.

do. So the whole way to get strong is. not going to failure. This is their. philosophy. You can argue it if you want. and especially bodybuilders I'm sure. would argue with it because it's a. different thing where you're just trying. to get massive. But his thought is if. you can do say 20 reps to failure, don't. do that. Do 10 and then wait a long time. and then do another 10 and it's just as. good as doing 20 sets to failure. Yeah. The whole thing that gets you strong. >> is just work. It's just the numbers and.

it allows your body to fully recover so. that you can. >> you when you lift it up like if you go. to clean the second set you're you're. fully engaged. You feel good. You feel. rested. You feel strong and then you. bust out those sets. >> and then you wait again. I wait [ __ ]. maybe 10 minutes and I'm just sitting. around 10 minutes. Yeah. I watch a. YouTube video, maybe I stretch and then. I get out and I do it again. So that's. those are the long days. So when I have.

a lot of time, that's how I like to work. out. I like to work out in these long. 2hour chunks. >> I got small kids, bro. It's never. happening. >> Yeah. But if you get up in the morning, you can do it. If you get up before. everybody else or if you do it when. everybody's asleep, you could do it. But. the the point is if you want to like. that, that's a way to get strong that I. think you lessen your chances of injury. You always got a chance of injury. You're lifting heavy things, but I don't. lift things that are that heavy. And um. the heaviest thing I lift really is my.

body. >> I do a lot of body weightight squats. A. lot of body weight stuff. Pull-ups, dips, chin-ups. Yeah, I do a lot of. stuff. L's L chin-ups. You know, when. your feet are extended and you're doing. chin-ups like this, I do a lot of those. >> And I do those toe to bars. Um I do. those like you were talking about. Those. suck, but they're really good for your. abs. >> I do a lot of ab stuff. I have like a a. heavy core ab routine, >> but I've always kind of done that. That's like really important for. kicking. Like kicking, >> you know, uh people think it's in the.

legs and it certainly is, but a lot of. it is in the torque that you generate. with your core. That's really where the. power comes from. It comes from here. A. real powerful kick is all from it's all. and the leg kind of follows through with. it. But when you dig into it, if you. have a weak core, there's no way you're. going to generate enough force to even. get that leg moving correctly. >> I love that we're 58 and talking about. the importance of kicking and torque.

>> I could think that way. I could think, oh, 58. Why do I think that? But I just. think what I like. >> I was just working on my double leg. What are you talking about? Who you. talking to? >> But also, more importantly, I do the. work to make sure that my body can still. do this at 58. If you're like 58 and. you're a mailman and you've been. drinking every night and you haven't. gone to the gym in 6 months, you're. like, "I'm going to go kick the bag.". Like, slow down. >> Slow down. >> Slow down. You're going to get hurt. >> Start at 5 minutes. >> Yeah. You got to build like you say, "Oh, Rogan hangs for 2 minutes. I'm. going to go hang for two minutes." First. of all, you're not. >> And you're going to hurt yourself. Like,

don't. If you want to start hanging, hang for 15 seconds. Just do that every. day for 15 seconds. And then one day, you'll be able to do 30 pretty easy. And. then next thing you know, you'll be. doing a minute. >> I always say that to people. I say, "Don't worry. Hey, hey, you're going to. get back to working out. You don't have. to do an hour." Actually, start with 10. minutes. Start with 10 minutes. Super. light. >> Literally 10 minutes. >> Yeah. You don't want to do much. Push-ups. Keep it fun. >> Sit-ups, >> bodyweight squats. That's it. >> Feel feel the difference. So, you feel. like stimulated, you have energy, right? Instead of like u my my old trainer, I.

love him, Lou Para. He would say, "Stimulate, don't annihilate." He was. the same way. He's 60. He's 70 now. >> Same thing. >> Yeah. Because that's the thing about. being a meatthead. It's like your. meattheadedness can actually get in the. way of progress. >> Yeah. >> Like you can actually learn better if. you're not exhausted, right? But there's. like a lot of jiu-jitsu schools that. have you do [ __ ] like like when I used. to train at Carlson Gracies. The warm up. was so brutal. But by the time you got. to actually training, that was like a.

break. It was a break. cuz leak I can. hold on to this guy, you know, I don't. have to [ __ ] do somersaults over and. over again. You would do all these. different body weight things. They would. do like duck walks and bear claw crawls. But the their idea was, hey, you should. be fit enough that you could do all this. [ __ ] and it's easy and then you start. training and then you're fit to train. and it'll help your training. And. there's they're right. They're right. However, if you're trying to teach. people something, the worst way to teach.

them is when they're exhausted. >> So, if you can say like Carl Gotch. famously, the he's a famous catch. wrestling guru who was a great wrestler. back in God, I think it was like the 50s. and 60s, back when catch wrestling was. legit. Like they would they would. >> What is catch wrestling? It's an. Americanstyle submission wrestling that. a lot of these submissions actually, you. know, when you you think about um Ken. Shamrock and stuff. >> No, Ken Shamrock Ken Shamrock had a.

little bit of that for sure. You know, Ken Shamrock was mo he was a hybrid, you. know, he did a lot of training in Japan. and he he was a leg lock guy before. anybody was. Like Ken Shamrock won some. of the early UFCs with heel hooks and. nobody even knew what the [ __ ] was going. on. Um, and it was he was also a massive. human being, too. That was part of it. Like Ken Shamrock was [ __ ] jacked. He. was so strong. >> Um, but their whole thing was all about. conditioning. Like the Lion's Den, they. had this famous crucible they would put.

recruits through. Like if you wanted to. train with the Lion's Den, >> you had to go through hell. They had. this crazy like BUD style strength and. conditioning routine. Then you had to. spar everybody. You had to spar the. whole team. They beat the [ __ ] out of. each other because back in those days, nobody knew what sparring light was all. about. Like everybody like. >> knock each other out. >> Everybody beat the [ __ ] out of each. other. >> So it's like but that's not you produce. animals when you do that. But you're not. going to produce the most technical guys.

for most of the people. Most of the most. technical guys what they they think of. there's two you have to compartmentalize. two different things like toughness like. in training if you're doing cardio if. you're doing hill sprints if you're. doing you know live drills there's. toughness but then there's also you you. got to really know technique and. technique is the king of all when it. comes to MMA sure but in jiu-jitsu it's. even more important in MMA it's even.

more important because there's more. aspects to the game and if you like did. you see the UFC this weekend? Did you. see Olivea versus Gameamron? >> No, >> bro. It was a tour divorce of jiu-jitsu. >> Really? >> The moment Gamerock cuz Gamrod is a sick. wrestler. Matt Gamro, he's a nasty. wrestler. >> Where is he from? >> Like Kazak. >> that part of the world that you're. terrified of? >> Yeah. >> Um I don't want to miss. >> the the the old country, the hills. >> Poland. >> Poland. There you go. Hard ass.

[ __ ] Beast. beast of a. wrestler. I mean, just a [ __ ] animal. >> He took. Charles Olivera down right away and was. immediately in terrible trouble. Like. every step of the way, he's get he was. getting plaed and triangled and this and. that and and Olivivera just dominated. him on the ground. And then when it. comes to stand up, well, Olivera is. better at stand up than him. So, they go. on the feet and Gamerock's [ __ ] He's. getting lit up on the feet by Olivera. And then Oliver takes him down and.

strangles him, takes his back and chokes. him out because. >> the first guy to ever finish Gameamra. But it just showed the importance of. technique. Technique, finishing. technique, not just holding technique. and taking guy down technique, which. Gamerro has a fuckload of, but he. doesn't have the jiujitsu technique that. Olivivera has. But he could have. >> he could have had that. as good a. wrestler as he is. If that guy just. dead, and Eddie Bravo used to say this. years and years and years ago, he was. like, "If these wrestlers, they all want.

to study like anti-ju. They all want to. take everybody down and have, you know, just avoid the jiu-jitsu, avoid the. submissions. That's what they. concentrate on the most." He's like, instead of. >> just learning all those submissions and. just annihilating people, but they in. their mind they were competing against. jiujitsu. That's interesting. was like, "The wrestlers had a show. We're the. toughest. We're going to get on top of. my tribe is better than your tribe. >> 100%." And Eddie was like, "If they. could just abandon that and fallen in.

love with jiu-jitsu, they'd be the most. dangerous people alive because they're. already the best.". >> That's so interesting. And that makes. total sense. >> Total sense. >> Learn learning learning your enemy. Like. really learning really. >> Stop being on a team. >> Yeah. >> You're you're trying to be a fighter. If. you're an MMA fighter, stop this. I. represent taekwond do [ __ ] No, you. don't. You're just, you know, you have. >> Well, you and I talk about that. Don't. don't let the fact that you have an idea. in your head. See, we all have the we we.

we formed these ideas. A lot of those. ideas are informed by where I am. emotionally to begin with. I'm defending. something. >> Typically, I'm going to be defending uh. how I grew up, my parents, uh what's. worked for me, my city, >> all that [ __ ] you know? Yeah. My. culture. And uh what happens is you get. you you start identifying with your. ideas and it's just an idea. So be open. to having your mind changed based on. evidence. >> Well, just don't be married to your. ideas. That's for sure. But the most. important thing is like think about.

Bruce Lee, right? What did he figure. out? He figured out before anybody. absorb what is useful. Take from all. martial arts. >> You know, you don't have to call it a. new thing anymore because Jeet Kundo is. what we're all doing really. If you're. doing MMA, you're doing G Kundo. You're. doing what he he's he just said take a. little bit of everything that works. Yeah. >> No matter what it is. >> But also like technique like when you. watch how they bring boxers up like. Virgil Hunter, you know, in his camp.

Andre Berto and Andre Ward, >> man, the to watch how they like the the. old school boxers. I love watching them. I love watching how they train. >> Like they will they do stuff like like. everything you do like this guy, Coach. Anthony, people like that. If you watch. them, everything is considered and you. work on your jab. You work on how to set. that jab up. Gordon Ryan talks about. that, too. Like with jiu-jitsu, start on. the bottom. Start on the bottom. How's. your half guard? What's it like? How do. you get out of a mount? Get start your.

your your entire uh repertoire, your. technique at the worst part and. understand that. But with with boxing, when you watch like footwork, it's all. footwork, man. It's such a different. thing. It's like how you step, where you. punch from. >> That was Canelo Alvarez versus Terrence. Crawford. Crawford always had his foot. on the outside. He was in perfect. position. Defense was flawless. >> I love watching that. >> That was a master class. It was a master. class because there was one point in the. fight where Terrence was pity patting.

him. >> So what he'll do is he'll pity pat you. and then load up with big shots. But he. was so dominant. >> that he could stand in front of Canelo. Alvarez, who's one of the most feared. boxers in the history of all time. >> of the sport. No doubt. And Terrence. Crawford is sitting in front of him. going pat. >> Just it was crazy. I was like, look at. he's pity patting him, which is almost. disrespectful. >> Well, you know, you know what Alvarez. Alvarez said? He goes, I couldn't figure. him out. How about that? I couldn't.

figure out. That's what I think fighting. it's at the highest level. It's it's two. people try to solve. >> like what are these patterns you're. doing? How can I cut you off at that. before you finish that pattern? Duran. used to people would say when they. fought Duran, they would say he's he's. reading my mind. >> Yeah. >> And they would say he's reading my mind. because he knew he could see what you. were doing. He'd been there. He's like, I know where you're going with this. >> He was also so raw. He might have been. reading your mind. >> [ __ ] man. >> He was such a savage in his early days. Like people see Duran, you see Duran.

like when he fought Dave Moore and Iran. Barkley and those guys. That's a Duran. that's 30 plus pounds over his best. fighting weight. His best fighting. weight was 135, >> dude. He fought and Barkley was a Iran. Barkley was I think uh fought at 67, maybe even bigger and he fought him at. that weight. >> Yeah, he and he knocked him out. Go see. if you can find Roberto Duran versus Ken. Buchanan. This is when he won the. lightweight title. When he was young and.

like super skinny, way before he fought. Leonard. It's. >> crazy. >> It's probably a black and white. >> As close to a human pitull as possible. >> He was a [ __ ] badger, dude. Just a. ferocious man with excellent technique. >> That's what tearing people apart. >> That's what not having enough food. literally in Panama does to you. >> Yeah. And also a long history of combat. sports in Panama as well. This is like. it's not like a a unique thing to be a. boxer in Panama. So you're dealing with. iron sharpens iron. Excellent technique.

Oh, it is in color. >> He was so beautiful. >> But boy, look how shitty it looks. What. year is this? 72. >> It's upscaled. So it's. >> this is this upscale. >> This is what every UFO video is, >> bro. He was so good. >> They use this camera. >> Look how skinny he is. Wow. It's crazy. >> Yeah, bro. When you when you when you. are a real boxer like that, that's what. you do. You don't look muscle bound. Well, in his defense, I mean, he was a. young man and he was but he was a lot. thicker when he fought Leonard at 47 and. he looked a lot better. >> He's got a Brian Kum body. That's what I. like about it. >> Uh, but he hit him low a lot as well. He.

was very rough like in the infighting. occasionally. He would. >> great great infighter. >> Probably knew where the referee was too. >> You know, back then there was no instant. replay. >> Ken Canon was very good too. You ever see me getting a boxing lesson. from Sugar Ray Leonard in in Sylvester. Stallone's house? You ever see that? I. haven't put on Instagram. >> No, we're watching really good boxing. I. don't know why you even bring that up. >> Sorry.

Oh, he got caught there. >> Yeah. >> Oh, Ken Buchanan was legit. >> Damn. Wow. >> I mean, it was a crazy fight, but the. >> Was this at 35? >> Mhm. And this was for the lightweight. title. It was a crazy scrap of a fight, man. Scoot ahead so you can watch some. of like the later action. >> Buchanan was something else, huh? >> Oh, yeah. He was world champion. >> You know, I never heard of him until. just now. >> He was a tough guy. >> Wow. Is he wearing. >> I'm pretty sure that's how Duran won the. title. I don't think Duran was defending. the title. I think Duran,

>> look at that shot, dude. >> Bro, when you watch these guys and you. think about like how long it takes to. get this good at boxing, how much time. had No, he wasn't that old. >> I'm saying. I'm saying. But how much. time spent like trying to under fire. figure out when to connect to someone's. face? >> I was saying to rip to the body. >> What's his name? Uh Crawford said this. this has been a 30-year career. He's. been fighting for 30 years. >> Oh yeah, if you think about it. Well,

and also Terence Crawford has been. fighting smart for 30 years. He doesn't. get hit a lot. >> That's like um. >> which is nuts. >> That's guy Hopkins. Hopkins never got. hurt. >> I mean until he s fought Joe Smith and. got knocked out of the ring, fell on his. head. 50 with a gray beard. >> Crazy. >> 50, by the way, fought from 40 to 50. What? Nobody could beat him in a in a. division that required speed. Never got. hit. >> He's a genius. >> Yeah. He's one of the. >> to me like people talk about the. greatest athletes and stuff. They never. talk about what he was able to.

accomplish at his age in that division. That's that has to be part of the. conversation. >> Well, by the time he fought Felix. Trinidad, people thought he was done. already. Unbelievable. That was I think. he was 36 at the time when he knocked. out Trinidad. People thought he was. over. And then, you know, he just. >> Have you had him on this podcast? >> Yeah. Yeah. He's awesome. >> Yeah, man. >> I'm a huge fan of that guy. >> God, so smart. >> And um you know, his lessons from. prison, too. >> He's like, I'm never going back. And. they they said to him when he's leaving, we'll see you soon. He's like, no, no,

no, not me, [ __ ]. >> And just live. >> He used to run with a tennis ball, apparently. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's obsession. >> Yeah. Right. Well, that's how you become. a Bernard Hopkins. >> That's how you get out of where you are, too, >> right? Exactly. You got to plan your. escape. >> Exactly. The thing about Terrence, though, is like Terrence is like an. artist. Like what he did in there, it's. like God, I could watch clips from that. fight over and over again, probably for. decades. He's an artist. Yeah. like what. he's doing in there is like he's like. not just beating you, he's he's beating. Canelo Alvarez and kind of making him.

look a little silly and doing it with. the highest stakes humanly possible with. a guy that can break your face with one. punch. >> I mean, he's missiles are headed his way. and he's like, "Nope, >> I know. >> Nope. Not here, but I'm here." Bam. He hit him. so many times where Canelo had whiffed. and then he would counter. I was like, "God, that's so pretty. That's so. pretty." Because like to be in in the. fire. So like there's guys that could. move real good and they were really hard.

to hit like Willie Pep, you know, Willie. Pep had crazy footwork. >> Mayweather. >> Mayweather would stand right in front of. you though. That's a bad example cuz. what I'm saying is like these guys that. are hard to hit that aren't moving. They're right in front of you and you. can't hit them. >> God, >> that's Mayweather. Like but there's guys. that were they were hard to hit but they. were real mobile. Like Michael Venom. Page in MMA is a great example. You. can't hit that dude. >> So beautiful. >> She's moving in and out so fast. Like. you can't. >> I heard he was at the mother ship. >> Yeah, you were. >> I was there, but I missed him.

>> See, look at this. Boom. >> I mean, look at there's missiles coming. his way. He's like, "Nope. Pop.". >> Oh my god, >> bro. He's so slick. Like every time. Canelo would show, you see him catch. that. You see him catch that body shot. with his elbow? >> Yep. >> You're not touching. >> Catch it and then fire right back. And. he did get tagged a couple times. >> But even there, as Canel rushes in, he. gets popped. You make one mistake with. Canelo though, you're you're going out. like that's. >> that margin there. >> And and he catches it. >> That is so pretty. >> Look at that. He. >> and to do that two weight classes above.

his the normal weight. That that is a. one weight class above the previous. world championship that he held. >> Meanwhile, he was 187. >> Do you know that? >> Yeah. Oh, no. Listen, man. When I talked. to him, it was I talked to him on the. podcast a couple of years ago and he. wanted this fight really bad. How thick. was he? >> He was normal size, you know, but he did. it the right way. He took a long time in. between fights. >> He did a lot of deadlifts and a lot. There's a lot of like strength and. conditioning videos of him. We see him.

like really working hard. >> and really like put on quality mass. where he did it slowly over the, you. know, he didn't get roided up and then. just gain a bunch of muscle that's. useless. He did it smoothly and slowly. So, he kept all of his skills, but now. he had more size and now he had more. strength. All skills, all speed, everything was still there. Cuz that's. an illusion, too. People think you're. going to get slower if you get bigger. That's not real. That's It depends. You're not going to get unless you get.

really crazy bodybuilder big like Mr. Olympia big, but Evander Holyfield. didn't slow down when he moved up to. heavyweight. He actually got more fit. >> and picked up his punching power. You know, it's like you can put on. muscle and you can get stronger and. still be fast. And Terrence totally. showed that in that fight. >> That fight was just that's that fight. was boxing is really all about. >> Yeah. I love it's like boxing is one of. the few It's such an honest place in. this crazy world where I don't know.

where the [ __ ] the truth is. Like I. don't know. >> That's how you get the judges decision. >> Yeah. Well, that's true. >> That's a problem. That's a problem with. MMA, too. >> It is. But that's that even that is a. little bit like I've been pretty good at. predicting after the fight kind of going. I think this guy won you know it used to. be. >> almost got [ __ ] in that fight. >> He was only if he didn't win the last. two rounds he would have lost that. fight. >> Well Canelo so loved him you know. >> that's not good. No. >> I mean in terms of like a judge you you.

you shouldn't be looking at how much. someone's loved. You should be looking. at, of course, everybody loves Canelo. I. love Canelo, but once he gets into the. ring, you have to judge him on his. performance in the ring. Period. That's. it. >> I know, but you know, human beings, you. love somebody you you already have. >> I know corruption, Brian. >> I know Vegas odds. I know gambling. >> There's a lot there's a lot you have to. take into consideration. A lot of these. people live in Vegas. >> You don't think they know [ __ ]. degenerate gamblers? You don't think.

they owe money. You don't think maybe. something's going on. Like a lot of. these guys like and gals, by the way, >> they were connected to super shady. people back in the day and decisions. were [ __ ] with. >> Do you remember that fight? >> Gambling odds. >> Yeah. What was that when Bradley. remember uh was Pacquiao? Tim Bradley. Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. That same lady, she also she she'd. scored a few that were like what? >> But that was a big one. That was a big. one. But that's also you have to think.

of that when you see a a big [ __ ]. decision like that where it's funky. You. got to go if I was a gambler. Like all. you have to do is get one person. Say if. you're betting on a split decision, >> you have to just one person in the bag. You just got one person that scores it. the other way no matter what. And you. give that person 200 grand and now. you're going to make 20 million. >> That's real. Like people do stuff like. that. At least they have in the past. Of. course they have. Well, let me ask you. this. As you, you know, with with AI and.

as as we get better and better at these. videos that you can't tell whether it's. real or not, you know, I really wonder. >> Maybe it's good. Maybe just stop. looking. >> That's That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking. >> We're wasting our [ __ ] lives staring. at. >> That's right. Mine that's what my whole. special is about. It's called false gods. because that be that has become. >> that is what we're bent over in prayer. with. We're always looking at it all the. time. That that dopamine scroll, right? We're just a nation of drug addicts. >> If there was a drug that made you stare.

at your hand all day, [ __ ] it. >> You'd avoid that. >> That's literally the theme of what I. wrote about because I was like I I'm I. find myself like I I find myself going. I'm not going to look at my phone and. then I get sucked in and there's fun. good things to watch whether it's old. interviews, whether it's snippets of. this, but it's a highlight reel, man. >> It's like mining for gold though in a. really shitty spot. >> Like you're not getting a lot of gold. Every now and then you get a little gold. flake, some funny meme. Aha. and then. I'll send it to all my friends. But I. find out the really funny ones, they.

make it to me anyway. >> Yeah. >> Like that's what I really want. I really. want the funny things. >> So if the funny things, like funny memes. and [ __ ] like that, they'll make it to. me no matter what. >> You know what I've done? I was I was. listening to a political podcast. My. buddy walked by, said something so cool. because he's done really well in life. And he goes, he goes, "Are you listening. to the weather again?" And I was like, "Fuck, man. I am. I'm either listening. because I want somebody to confirm my. bias, or I'm listening because I maybe. want to hear something I kind of already.

know, or it'll be a different twist that. somehow in my mind I can use as an. argument against somebody I already. disagree with. It's all that [ __ ]. right? And I listen to I'm [ __ ]. reading novels now. I'm not doing it. anymore. I'm [ __ ] done. >> Well, novels are cool. >> Yeah. I'm just I I my problem is I don't. think you do this at all, but I do know. there are people you can make a lot of. money in the podcast space, in the. influencer space, if you draw strong. good guy, bad guy narratives. And if you.

can make those narratives biblical, please, now you're really in the money. And I I I'm always wary of that. I'm. always wary of that reductionist kind of. idea that bringing I do think there are. sometimes there are good guys and bad. guys. I think there is good and evil. I. think that's worth a worthy conversation. to have, but man, you got to be careful. about getting sucked into those. narratives cuz sometimes it's not that. simple. >> Well, it's also what we were talking. about earlier, people that aren't good. at anything in their life and their life. gets captured by whatever team they're. on, whether they're Democrats or.

Republicans. >> Correct. >> And that becomes your whole identity. >> So, how do you avoid it? >> Don't be a [ __ ]. >> Jesus Christ. It's a rigged game. It's a. rigged game when you're going to jump in. with your dick in your hand. Like, what. are you doing? Yeah, >> it's dumb. Like people always want me to. say I'm a Republican or say I'm a. Democrat. Like. >> I am I mostly think in a left way. mostly, but I also am a firm believer in. discipline and human nature and. >> personal responsibility. >> Personal responsibility and willpower. I.

think willpower is a real thing. I've. lived my whole life with it. I I know. what it is. So to pretend that it's not. And some people, you know, they don't. just need to get their [ __ ] [ __ ]. together. That's not that's not helpful. for them. It's not really kind and. compassionate because it's not being. honest with them. By telling people. they're fine the way they are. No, you're not. You know, you should be on a. goal of constant self-improvement. Yes. >> Doesn't mean you have to be an [ __ ]. >> you know. And that's the other thing. People that are weak [ __ ] they. always want to conflate being.

disciplined and having personal. responsibility with being an [ __ ]. No, you can be a really nice person and. still, you know, you don't you don't. have to be a [ __ ] just because you. take care of yourself and you're. healthy. It's like this is a scam. >> Exactly. >> It's a it's a cover that weak [ __ ]. >> I know you're less blamed than me, but. let's calm down. You know, >> it's nonsense. It's like people just get. so tribal and the reason why they do it. is because they don't have anything else. in their life. >> They don't have anything that's really. important and interesting in their life.

So, they get like completely captured by. politics. You see this now with like um. you got to give Trump some credit for. bringing peace to a part of the world. where you know that's been at war since. Moses had a parting of the ways with the. Pharaoh. >> Yeah. And it was a lot. They had to give. up a lot, right? They had to give up. How many Palestinian prisoners did they. >> 250. >> and a lot of them are you know. >> those poor Israelis that have been there. for two years and what has happened to. those people during that time? Imagine. being an Israeli prisoner and you're in.

Gaza and they're just starving and. shelling the [ __ ] out of that place. >> for two years and never thinking you're. going to get home and see your family. again. >> [ __ ]. >> So, are they released now? Have they. been released? >> All 20 living hostages have been. released. Some of them are in really bad. condition. So, they didn't want to show. them to on camera cuz they've got to be, you know, starving to death. >> Yeah. They're right in the hospital. >> Well, they're probably never going to be. the same again. No. >> You know, that's that's the thing about. starving to death. It's like your organs. have massive damage like Um, yeah, I I.

knew this guy, >> but Hollywood's quiet. >> His dad had been captured in Vietnam. >> and uh tortured and starved and he was. never the same again physically even. after he came back and put the weight. back on. Like he's. >> his body was [ __ ] up. >> Yeah. >> From the torture from and from the. starvation. >> and the stress, man. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everything. It's. just amazing that he survived. >> No sunlight, living in a tunnel for 2. years. Well, you know, whatever whatever.

Trump had to do to do this, what's. fascinating is watching people's. reaction where they don't want to. reluctantly give him credit for it. >> Cuz it's not just this. He's he's. negotiated multiple peace agreements. between African countries that have been. at war for decades, >> and this is just one more that he's done. on top of that. And it's like people. can't get past what they they think of. him in terms of the bluster or maybe the.

Epstein files or this like look. >> there's no perfect person that's going. to be president and to pretend it's. Barack Obama is crazy. If you really. look at Barack Obama's what his legacy, what he actually brought to the United. States in terms of punishment of. whistleblowers, drone deaths, some. [ __ ] crazy number like plus 80% of. the people who killed by drones were. innocent. >> Incredible.

>> There's a lot. But but that doesn't mean. he wasn't a great spokesman and a great. representative of America because he. certainly was. cuz he was brilliant and. articulate and just seemed calm and. measured and all those things are great. But the reality is this [ __ ] country. is bought and paid for by huge financial. interests who would like us to go bomb. places cuz they make bombs. They make. weapons and those weapons cost a. fuckload of money and they come up with.

all sorts of cute reasons why we should. go [ __ ] up Yemen. And. >> have you had Lindy Lee on your podcast? >> No, but I was going to get to this. point. But also, you have to have. weapons because the rest of the world is. [ __ ] So, it's like you have to have. this balanced perspective on this stuff. >> Like we we don't want war. We should. never want war. You should celebrate a. president that his core idea is no more. war. People like, "Yeah, but he bombed. Iran, right?" I think you had to. I.

think it was like one one of these. things with Israel with a negotiator. It. >> was an opportunity. I'll I'll bomb the. site. I'll tell them to leave. Jesus. Christ. Cuz you know, Israel's just. bombing the [ __ ] out of Gaza. And. they're like, they don't care about. human shields. And they're like, "Fuck. you. You guys you attacked us. It's. over. We're going to wipe you out.". So this guy is. what he's done is if it sticks. So. here's the thing. Does it stick? I don't. know. I mean, they've always they've. come to multiple peace agreements in the.

past. Didn't Hamasa. murder literally 32 members of of one. family because they were collaborating. quote unquote with Israel in the street? Do you see that? >> I saw shot in the head. >> They shot a few guys. I saw a one. >> It was more than a few. >> Well, I only saw one where there was. three guys they shot in front of. everybody. >> And they probably were. That's the. thing. The MSAD and the IDF are. brilliant, right? The reason why they. got all those pagers to those guys then. blew their dicks off is because they're. [ __ ] geniuses, right? The reason why. they invented Pegasus, the ability to.

just listen to your [ __ ] phone, read. all your text messages, get all your. dickpicks, all that stuff, because. they're brilliant. >> And of course, they infiltrate every. organization. They infilt that's how. they get all their information. They. literally have a soldier that is so. dedicated to Israel that they give their. life to go pretend to be Hamas and. probably even commit terror just so that. they can be legit. And then that person. will feed all the information to Israel. >> That's right. >> I mean, you have to have like the people.

who love Israel. What like I you know, you could be one of those people like I. hate Zionist. I hate Zionism. I hate. what they've done. I get it. But what. they are doing is the like most black. belt version of tribalism. The most. black belt version. >> because they have to. >> Well, because every threat for Israel is. existential. One of the things I think. the strength of Israel fascinating idea. because when Trump made a speech at the. Knesset,

BB Netanyahu was booed by a lot of. Israelis and Trump was hailed. And the. point of that is that Israel is a. democracy where they're constantly. arguing with each other. There's there's. there's constant debate and your your. job if you're prime minister or whatever. is always precarious because there are. people who are always going to be. critical and they'll be Israelis whereas. there isn't this sort of monolithic sort. of idea like the Knesset has but the one. thing that unifies Israelis no matter. what they'll debate and you want to talk.

about the the war in Gaza and how it was. pro prosecuted you can there's plenty of. legitimate saying that you you you. leveled the place that's fine but don't. make one mistake you [ __ ] when when. They are threatened with their. existence. You you want to threaten the. existence of Israel. They'll unify right. quick and they'll they'll [ __ ] blow. up pagers. They got a thousand ways to. get to you cuz they have to. >> The point is they they do infiltrate. those organizations and they do do that. However, >> why were you smiling just now? >> Cuz I just sent Jamie a funny meme.

>> Oh, Jamie, I'll send one. I'll show you one. that's more offensive that we can't show. on the air, but this one's one of my. favorites. >> Oh, I saw that. >> I think you sent that to me. I did. >> It's so funny. I That's See that keep. this Israel be like we took out Hamas. >> Holy [ __ ] You should be laughing, but. that's [ __ ] ridiculous, >> bro. It's funny. >> It is crazy. >> It's fun. Listen, this is You want to. live You want to live your life. You can. You got to You can't decide what's.

funny. >> You got to laugh. >> There's That's funny. I'm not mocking. anyone's death and I'm I'm I think it's. a terrible thing that it happened at. all. But it's also there's, you know, this is. the Charlie Kirk question when Charlie. Kirk was on Patrick Bed David. It's like. why did it take so long for them to. respond? Was there a standown order? Was. there like so people get all. conspiratorial with stuff like that? And. then then things get real weird because. there is this thing that we don't want. to believe, but we do know is true that. there are certain groups in this world.

that are very motivated to have a war. And no one wants to believe that. No one. everyone wants to believe the only. reason to have a military is because. we're the just, righteous, great country. of the United States of America and we. don't do anything unless we're defending. ourselves or defending some other. democracy that's being destroyed by. communism or whatever, right? We like to. think that. >> Yeah, >> that's not totally real. And Smemedley. Butler figured that out in 1933 when he. wrote Wars is a racket. And that's still.

today. The idea that in 2025 that that's. not the case anymore. That would be very. naive, >> right? People. >> and it's not just America, >> right? They profit from instability. >> They profit and then it also Bill. Clinton literally said that BB and this. is Bill Clinton's words. BB Netanyahu. wants there to be a war so he stays in. power. >> He said that. >> Bill Clinton did recently. He's like, "Fuck it. I'm old. I'm going start. telling the truth. >> Tell.". >> By the way, I love getting my dick. sucked. Can I tell you that's one of the.

number one reason why I became. president. They all wanted to suck it. >> Everybody wanted to suck it once I was. in that office. >> They did. They did. >> So I [ __ ] up and I got one girl with a. big mouth. She was a little young. I. [ __ ] up. I got crazy. >> Left a spot on her dress. >> But he's he was saying this and I guess. he was just saying, "Look, look, the. Epstein files are coming out. Let me. just [ __ ] get real. Let me just get real and say. >> what do you if I gun to your head? What. do you think your best assessment of. what uh Epstein who who was Epstein? Who.

was he working for? >> Well, I don't know. Right. So, I'm just. guessing. Um, everybody wants to say he. was working for the MSAD. He very well. could have been. He could have been. working for the CIA. He could have been. a guy who was on his own but also. working with them, right? Like a guy. that they used but they never fully. endorsed. like an asset. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And a guy who could move money around. He definitely.

>> good at laundering money. >> The the moving money around stuff was. very weird because he had money through. no way that anybody could ever explain. >> He had an enormous amount of money. through no way that nobody could ever. explain. Which, you know, if you're a. state funded, you're funded by Israel. and Israel's funded by America. And you. know, there's also NOS's and nonprofits. and there's ways to move money around. where you can give this guy money. Yeah. So he was like Weinstein who is an. economist, right? Weinstein's a. legitimate mathematician. Eric.

>> Yeah. So when Eric met him, the his. first inclination was he was a fraud. >> He's a construct. >> Yeah. A construct. And did he tell you. the whole story about the girl sitting. on his lap? >> Yep. >> So the Epstein while he's meeting with. the Eric Weinstein for the first time. has a beautiful girl sitting on his lap. and he a woman I shouldn't say girl. She. was he said she was like in her 20s and. she's sitting on his lap and he's. bouncing around. So her tits are. juggling around while. >> he's asking math questions. >> Yeah. Talking serious. So he was.

obviously nerd fishing. He was fishing. for nerds. And I think he caught a lot. of nerds in that net. There's a lot of. those guys that w up going to that. island. They probably thought, "This is. great. We get to party. >> Nothing's free." And they probably felt. like they were rock stars cuz they get. to hang out with the intellectual elite. on an island with a guy who's just a. billionaire philanthropist who's. eccentric who just loves women. He's a. professed bachelor and it all seemed too. good to be true. >> So true. >> Because it was. So he was I think he was.

an asset whether or not it was for the. MSAD strictly or Israel strictly or the. United States strictly, whether it was a. CIA thing, what I don't know. But I. think it was a probably a part of a. blackmail compromise. effort. >> Yeah. >> Because those guys, there's a [ __ ]. dirty secret about these people that are. in Congress and they party, okay? They're regular guys and regular women. and they're in their 30s or 40s or.

whatever they are and every now and then. they do coke and they get drunk and they. >> human beings. Remember that DC madam. that had a whole book of people and then. she wound up committing suicide. She. said, "I'm not suicidal." And. >> see you. >> Yeah. Because there's probably a lot. like that. And those kind of honeypot. operations, they let these freaks know. like, "Hey, you're going to be safe with. me. Charlie will take care of. everything. Look, Bill Clinton used to. come here. Don't worry about it. We're. going to go to the island.". >> And that's a big endorsement. It's like. presidents were here, so it must be a.

secure area. >> Exactly. We are on the island with Bill. This is fine. And all these girls show. up and you're like, "Well, this is. Christmas in July. >> Bill is really interested in string. theory. He'd like to talk to you about. string theory." So, you're sitting down. there having cocktails while Bill. Clinton's getting a massage from some. girl who's rubbing her tits against the. back of his head while she's massaging. Yeah. >> He's like, "Hey, that's really. interesting. Hey, I'm going to I'm kind. of tired. I'm going to take a nap.". >> Another thing about black holes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I think they all thought that.

it was this lovely exchange of powerful. people and brilliant people. And then. they were just getting dirt on all of. them. Guys cheating on their wives. Guys. whether knowingly or unknowingly having. sex with underage girls. >> Maybe maybe some guys that was their. thing. Sure. Because it seemed like with. Epstein that was his thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's what I think too. That's I. don't think there's any evidence either. I think it's all been I don't think. there was collected with that plea deal. and I don't think there's any list. that's going to point to there's no.

smoking gun. That's all. >> I don't know about that. >> I think it's all been, you know, taken. care of. I I think that it's. >> I think you could open up every file. >> But that's the truth. Why did they have. all those files? Why they parade around. with these binders? >> Because do you remember those photo ops. that they said like look they did like a. thing we have the Epstein files right. here and they had binders. like what. what kind of political theater is that. if you don't really have the Epstein. files. >> theater and what I mean by that is I. think like if they are keeping something.

quiet it's because it's it's video of. underage girls or it's video of the. victims who don't want that to be out. there and that's you can't the justice. department cannot make that public they. cannot they cannot bring that to. Congress that's all sealed for their. privacy right. >> well that is the argument but then. they're saying now that there are no. files They're saying there's no video. there. I'm telling you, boy, I don't. know. I think they have video. I think. if you got an island and you want. compromise on people, you can't just. have hearsay.

>> I would say I watched him. [ __ ] that. girl. Let's let's let's sue him. No, that's not how it works. You have to. have video and then you have to show it. to the guy like, uh, Mr. Clinton, have a. seat. >> Yeah, but I would agree with that except. for I think if there is video, that's. somewhere in the in the archives of an. intelligence agency. that's not getting. out. And I think at when he had that. plea deal in 2008, uh he got tipped off, remember? And when the feds or whoever. when I think it was the Florida Police.

Department came to kind of collect all. the evidence in Palm Beach, uh those. computers weren't there anymore. So all. that [ __ ] was scrubbed. All that [ __ ]. was taken out. So part of a plea deal is. you don't you don't collect evidence. There is no evidence. You when you have. a plea deal, nobody is collecting any. evidence. You understand? So, it's not. like we're going to collect evidence. No, no, no. The part of the plea deal is. we are not This investigation is over. You plead, you do your time uh in this. jail where you have to you can go out.

and play golf during the day, but you. have to come back at night. >> No, he No, he was under home arrest. He. would only have to go there like a. couple days a week, >> right? He'd be in he'd have to go to the. county jail in Palm Beach during the. day, right? So that's what I'm saying is. I think all that [ __ ]. >> he did like weekends. I think he did. like weekends in the jail. I'm not. kidding. I think they allowed him to. work. >> Money talks, baby. >> It's not just money talks. It's. influence. And the the guy who is the. arresting sheriff was told this guy was.

intelligent. >> Yeah, that's what he was told. >> So I would assume that that guy's. telling the truth because he was the. sheriff. He's got no reason to lie or. whoever he was, >> right? But I think there's a lot of super. powerful people that are very very very. wealthy and they have the ability to say. whether or not things get out. >> I I think it's interesting how some. ideas take root and and stay strong like. you know sometimes you'll just find that. people will just all of a sudden.

everybody will start agreeing on one. thing like that whole transgender. movement that that just came out of. nowhere in a way. I mean it been around. it been percolating but it gets co-opted. and then all of a sudden everybody is. just. >> well it's foreign governments for sure. involved to what extent. >> you mean like bots and stuff like. foreign foreign influence. >> China China spent a lot of money pushing. transgender ideology on America. Yeah. >> that makes sense. >> Yeah. Um and this is not if you're a. transgender person hearing this is not. to deny you. I'm just saying that what.

what China has done was push people. further and further towards not just. acceptance but indoctrination. And um I I think they also want outrage. They want us fighting with each other. about stuff. So like they'll they'll. push all kinds of crazy stuff. Like one. of the things that is really nuts that I. used to bring up and people would say. this is ridiculous. Who believes this? It's that pedophilia is not a crime,

that it's a sexual orientation. This. lady who's running for governor of. California, this crazy lady. >> Porter or whatever the [ __ ] her name, >> Katie Porter that screams at her staff, get out of my [ __ ] shot. >> She's the worst. >> She looks like the way she talks, >> dude. >> Like the way she talks when when the. cameras are rolling and she doesn't. think anybody's going to see it. Like. what a monster. >> She's the worst. But she did one of. those interviews where she was talking. about pedophilia and she was talking.

about. >> minor attracted people. You mean maps? >> Yeah. See, I used to say that that. they're talking about this in certain. universities and people like that is. never going to go anywhere. No one's. going to buy into that. this lady's. running for the governor of California. and she said that what is ex her exact. quote on minor attracted persons or. people that are but she was talking. about criminalizing. that. >> well the can I tell you what the. philosophy is there because I've. actually read about it here's the idea.

you you're a pedophile which means um by. the way really weird thing you can look. this up Jamie a lot of pedophil. pedophiles are left-handed did you know. that. >> look out lefties the well The. significance there is that it's. neurological, right? There's a there's a. there's a condition in the brain, right? Okay. So, you you're attracted to. minors. It just happens to you. It's a. curse. Holy [ __ ] I see a seven-year-old. or whatever the [ __ ] it is. Um, okay. So, the idea is this. You have this. affliction. You might be a you might be. a person who's otherwise uh pays his.

taxes, loves his mom, loves his friends, >> but don't act on this thing. >> right now. Watch. Now they have this. overwhelming urge the way somebody would. have say if they're a gambler or. whatever the [ __ ] it is and they have no. one to talk to because if they go to a. therapist, the therapist has to tell the. police, >> right? >> Okay. So now you you have no one to talk. to. So the idea just this is the idea is. if we destigmatize pedophilia and call. it a minor attracted person and and. you're allowed to talk to a therapist. without having to be incarcerated. The.

idea would be maybe they can get help. and they won't touch kids because a. professional can help them etc etc. That's the idea. I understand the I. understand the I guess philosophy behind. that but it's it we get into this very. dangerous territory where everything. becomes medicalized and everything. becomes an excuse. So all of a sudden we. find out and we may say this maybe in 20.

years we find out serial killers just. had something wrong with their brain and. if we had the same lesion on our brain. we'd be the same way. I I you know, but. it doesn't mean you don't put those. people away because they are a danger to. society. >> There's a guy in Austin who stabbed a. bunch of people at the university and I. think it was in 2017 and he's getting. released. >> He killed a kid. >> Yeah. You can't. >> killed a very promising musician. Um and. uh he went to a mental institution. Um.

so they they I think they said not. guilty for reasons of insanity. So this. guy's been on his medication and he. >> hasn't hallucinated in a couple years. So now they're releasing him from this. mental institution to some sort of a a. home where they monitor them closely. >> No, until you can actually cut out that. part of the. >> represent Kate Porter say about minor. attracted persons. So what did she say? Actual statement contacts. So what does. her statement? >> So she she said that she didn't say that. minor attracted persons or pedophilia is. an identity. Nor did she say it's not a.

crime. Her actual comments have been. repeatedly misrepresented online. >> Right. But I saw the video. >> Yeah. >> Um what did she say in the video? She. never said it's not a crime. >> No, she was saying that. >> her per comments was solely focused on. condemning baseless and dangerous. rhetoric against LBG. Well, what how is. that LGBT? >> She was saying that people were making. equivalence between LGBTQ community and. groomers. You're right. >> Well, let's let's listen to what she. actually said. See if you can find the. video of her saying it. because then.

we'll get more understanding of it. Just. use uh the AI and try Oh, here's a Just. see if you can find a video. >> Yeah, I think that's it. Here it is. Yeah. >> I wanted to start with um Miss Robinson. if I could. Um, your organization. recently re uh released a report. analyzing the 500 most viewed, most. influential tweets um that identified. LGBTQ people as socalled groomers.

Um, the groomer narrative is an age-old. lie to position LGBTQ plus people as a. threat to kids. And it what it does is. deny them access to public spaces. It. stokes fear and can even stoke violence. Miss Robinson, according to its own. hateful content policy. Does Twitter. allow posts calling LGBTQ people. groomers? >> No. I mean, Twitter along with Facebook. and many others have community.

guidelines. It's about holding users. accountable to those guidelines and. acknowledging that when we use phrases. and words like rumors and pedophiles to. describe people, individuals in our. communities that are mothers, that are. fathers, that are teachers, that are. doctors. It is dangerous and it's got. one purpose. It is to dehumanize us and. make us feel like we are not a part of. this American society. And it has real. life consequences. So, we are calling on. social media companies to uphold their.

community standards. And we're also. calling on any American that's seeing. this play out to hold ourselves and our. community members accountable. We. wouldn't accept this in our families. We. wouldn't accept this in our schools. There's no reason to accept it online. >> That's fair. >> I mean, I think you're absolutely right. And it's not, you know, this the. allegation of groomer and pedophile. It. is alleging that a person is criminal. somehow and engaged in criminal acts. merely because of of their identity. Um, >> okay. So, that's what it is. So, it's.

taken out of context. >> So, it's connecting it's connecting gay. people and trans people to pedophilia by. calling them groomers. >> That's why important to watch her what. she actually said instead of getting. your [ __ ] information in snippets. from Tik Tok from other people who have. opinions. You're being game. Well, this. is why a lot of people like hated. Charlie Kirk. >> The same thing from those those who. >> misunderstood out of Well, yes. Yes. But. also could have been avoided, you know, by not saying it the way he said it.

Like there was some certain things that. he said like one of them when he was. talking about um Katangi Brown Jackson. who's a Supreme Court justice who. graduated from Harvard Magna Lahi right. so like saying that. >> you got what is the exact words he used. like you didn't have the intellectual. ability to be taken seriously. He said. that DEI will put people. >> right but he was saying positions of. power. >> I know what he's but what I'm saying is.

his his saying what what he said that. was. >> [ __ ] was you took this spot from a. white person. >> like I know what he was doing. He was. trying to make a point and he was trying. to make a point that affirmative action. that we should be living in a. meritocracy and that we shouldn't be. having lower standards for people. But. she didn't. There's no evidence that she. had any lower standards. The part of the. problem with Katangi Brown Jackson's. like you might disagree with her. >> She's qualified.

>> Yeah. And I disagree when she when they. asked her about what is a woman when she. was getting confirmed. >> and she's like uh I'm not a biologist. Right. But you're a woman and you have. kids. So like cut the [ __ ] You're. giving into an ideology now. You know. what a woman is. A woman is a biological. female human being. Does that mean that. there aren't men who feel like they're a. biological female human being and they. have gender dysphoria? No, it doesn't. mean that. That's true, too. But when. you ask me what a woman is, it's a. biological female human being that is.

responsible for every [ __ ] life. that's on Earth. It's like, it's a very. important distinction. Every human being. on Earth came from a woman. But this. goes back to you and I talking about. when you're busy and you're trying to. you're running a business, you're. building a brand, you're trying to write. jokes, whatever it might be. I don't. have time. I like it's like the rest of. us are trying to I got kids and I got. bills and I got a lot of stuff I have to. do. It's it's really hard to do. everything. >> So you watch a snippet on Tik Tok and. then you get an opinion of someone. >> I also don't have time. What do you mean.

by pronouns? What right now? I'm I'm. busy over here. Like I. >> Right. But you're also not. indoctrinated. you didn't go to school. in 2015, you know, a long time ago. >> Here's my theory. I want to hear what. you think of this. I was thinking about. this. I think part of the transgender. thing, at least in colleges and among. and it's interesting how it took root in. places of higher education. I I think what happened was there was. currency in being a minority. There was.

currency in being oppressed. There's. currency in being somebody who's. marginalized and struggling. There's. there's there's something when you are. not that when you are not in those. positions, there's when you're looking. at it, somehow it got a little bit. romanticized. >> Well, sure. Especially if you're an. advantaged, >> advantaged uh white kid, then you could. be non-binary. No skin in the game. >> That's what I was saying. You get to be. a part of that. >> You get to be a minority. And if you're. black, brown, indigenous, you had to go. through slavery, hundreds of years of of.

brutal colonization. But when you're. white, you can be blonde, hair, blue-eyed, come from a great family, but. you can be a minority on the same level. as somebody who's black because you feel. like it. Because you you're you're. feeling you have your feelings. You feel. like a minority. Therefore, I don't have. to pay a price for anything, but I get. to be on I get to be on the same level. I can be a bigger minority than Dave. Chappelle, who's a black man, because, you know, he's he's he's attacking me.

So now I can attack him because I'm the. most vulnerable minority. And I think I. hate to be cynical, but that's a big. driver for a lot of people. You know, I'm not saying that transgender people. don't exist, but you. there's also this cultural narrative. that supporting that makes you a good. person on the right side of things. Did. you see the the debate? They had a. debate on Vice. Vice does these weird. debates and the way they did this one. was very strange. Uh it was about uh it.

was women uh and these feminists and uh. and these other women that were talking. about um trans people and whether or not. trans people are women and it got super. performative and here I'll send it to. you. >> I want to do this on my podcast. It got. super performative and s it it was like. trans women are women like that's not an. argument like what you're saying this. lady has a point about showers and.

locker rooms and and competing in sports. and this is to deny that this is a point. here. Play this. >> Trans women be included in feminist. conversations. How about in women's. spaces? >> Yes, they're women. >> Oh boy. You saw this. >> What's the question? trans women or women. >> Um, so I I want to come at this from the. um position. >> Oh jeez. >> Um, so so I play semi-pro basketball, semi-pro volleyball. So when it comes to.

like athletic spaces, I don't think that. trans women should be allowed into. athletic spaces because I don't think. it's a fair um I think we as female. athletes, we work so incredibly hard for. the little opportunity there is in. women's sports. >> Would this be a barrier? >> Like there's there's no barrier. There's. less opportunity in some industries. That's what a barrier is. >> There's less. It's not. No, no, no. It's. based on the market. Okay. Hold on. Hold. on, guys. Okay. So, again, we work very. hard for the the little opportunity that. we're given. And the problem is like. we can't compete. We can't like I'm six.

foot. If I go up against a sixoot guy. and I play basketball with him, he's. going to body me. even. even if I have years more of training. And so it's like you're taking away the. little opportunity that we are given and. we all work so hard for will be the end. of women's sports. >> Have you tried confidence? >> Have you tried confidence? >> Confidence can't make me bench what a. guy benches. Confidence can't make me. >> so hostile. She's sharing her. >> and confidence.

No, she's sharing. >> No, she's not. She's She's a woman who's. had experience. >> Kill it. the the woman who. >> I watched that a long time ago. >> Dressed like a man with short hair said. she's trans. That's a That's a trans. man, by the way. Oh, it's a man. Yeah, that's a man who is now a woman. Yes. >> Well, see, that I don't have a problem. with. Try that. >> You could go ahead do that. >> That doesn't bother me at all. Like, if. trans men want to invade men's spaces. and pee next to us with a funnel, go for.

it. I do not care at all. You know why? Cuz you can't rape me. >> No. >> Right. That's the real problem with. trans men is that men are creeps. >> in, especially in in female prisons and. stuff. >> Yes, female prisons is a huge one. Huge. one. But it's also just female locker. room. So like some guy with his dick. hanging out is pretending he's a woman. That's real, too. There's trans women. And then there's perverts who enter into. these spaces. This is you've given them. a Willy Wonka golden ticket. >> It's like it's like pedophiles who found. a a safe haven when they could put on a.

the gar the robes of a priest. And the. crazy thing is like a lot of these. things like that one in LA that uh the. health club that was they got protested. because they kicked a trans woman out of. the locker room. >> Yeah. >> Multiple times sex offender. >> Yeah. >> Multiple times sex offender. >> What? That happens sometimes. Yeah. >> So someone who's a [ __ ] freak. >> who decides, "Oh, I'm a woman now and. I'm just going to let my dick shine. Just polish it up in front of these. ladies." Right. So you could just oil up.

your dick in front of, you know, some. people who are just trying to get to. yoga class. >> I think that conversation's been won, hasn't it? >> Not totally. Look at those ladies. Trans. That's a while ago. That was. actually five years ago. >> Yeah. >> Trans was it five years ago? >> Yeah. Um I think though here's what I. think is important. >> What's the question? >> Just that. >> What are we saying? >> Yeah. >> It's Katie Porter energy. >> Yeah. Like what? >> That's the same energy. >> They Well, they stopped the. conversation, right? You got to you got. I don't I'm not going to talk to I've. already made up my mind. That's a.

religion though, right? That's a. religious person. >> That's a religion. Yeah. You're you're. going along party lines the same way you. would, you know, by. >> not eating things that are haram. >> I try to I try to um I think that if. you're going to be like haram is bad, right? Haram is a is an Arabic term for. for essentially against God in a way. Like it's it's forbidden. Haram, I. think, means forbidden. >> But um. >> sucking dicks. >> No, I said haram. >> Is sucking dicks haram? Well, only if. you're if you're smiling. I think if.

you're frowning, you're allowed to. I'm. not sure how I. >> You know what's really crazy? The number. one place in the world for the longest. time where people got transgender. surgeries was Iran. >> And it wasn't because they were. supportive of transgender people was. because they were punishing gay people. So the only Yeah. Yeah. So the only way. to be a a gay man in a gay relationship, one of you [ __ ] is going to. have to lose a dick. >> Now, I wonder if that's true. I heard. that actually. And I wonder if that is. it. Yeah, it's true. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Yeah. They they would punish.

>> that's that's horrifying to punish. somebody that way. >> Yeah. I don't know if it's still number. one, but I think that's also the the. origin of lady boys in Thailand. I think. a lot of them Yeah. I think for a long. time it was illegal to be gay in. Thailand. >> I saw some very convincing looking. >> Well, that's the thing. If you're going. to be a a trans person, being a small. Asian really helps. >> Not a Simone, >> right? >> Bad bone structure. Bad bone structure, sir. >> But liking trans people like the. mountain as trans. It's a real issue.

>> It's not going to go well with Brian. Shaw is not going to make a pretty. woman, >> right? Imagine him being on that. volleyball team. >> We're not going to find We have no high. hills. >> She's a woman. I mean, she she's a. woman. >> Yeah. >> Trans women are women. What's the. question? >> Yeah, good luck. >> What's the question? >> Good luck. >> What is What are you saying? You f you. should be studied in a museum. They. should one day they're going to look at. that lady and that ideology like look at. this virus that infected these people's. brains. >> Crazy. It's bananas. >> But you know, but I think like with the. Charlie Kirk thing when people were. celebrating, right? Horrible. But I I.

was saying, man, we better hold. ourselves to if you want to be somebody. who's let's call I call myself a. traditionalist or whatever the [ __ ] it. is. Maybe I'm a little right to center. depending on the subject. Maybe I'm left. in this, but I thought that was. horrific. But you got to hold yourself. to a high [ __ ] standard. Meaning, you. know, Trayvon Martin's killer, George. Zimmerman, he signs autographs at gun. shows. He signs Skittles. You know, I. know they had a struggle and stuff, but. that was a kid who was doing no crime at. all, >> right? He was just being harassed by a. guy who was playing and and and and that.

guy's gun sold for something like. $250,000. So, how do you think his family feels? How do you think people on that side? So, >> so don't be a [ __ ] hypocrite. It's. real easy to be a hypocrite. And I And. what Charlie Kirk was guilty of doing. nothing other than taking his ideas and. pitting them against all comers. That's. beautiful, >> right? And if you disagree with those. ideas, the real way to handle it is to. address them, >> beat him with a better idea. >> But the problem is most people don't. have an opportunity to communicate with. him. And so they see these young kids.

communicating with him on these college. campuses and him trouncing these young. kids and you see things getting, you. know, combative or argumentative. And. then you see clips. And so the clips, the little tiny ones, like you don't. have the intellectual capacity to be. taken seriously. And so you you got to. take your spot from a white person. Like. just that clip is a real problem because. he didn't have to say it that way. But I. know what he was trying to say. Yeah. He. what he should have say is a more.

qualified person because in reality the. people that get discriminated the most. >> in when it comes to particularly. universities are Asians. Mhm. >> So if you wanted to like have a a theory. of white supremacy, that goes out the. window when you look at standards that. universities have because the people. that they discriminate against the most. are Asians. >> because they do so well. They crush.

because they have old school immigrant. mentality as Joey Diaz likes to say. >> You'll never see, by the way, you will. never see a Chinese or an Asian Chinese. Korean or Japanese person. You'll never. see them complain. You will never will. complain up. >> Bobby's different. Bobb's different. But. Bobb's also hilarious. >> A few made it through the net, then. we'll complain. >> Bobby Bobby's a comic though. Bobby's. like a great comic, so it's different. But. >> it is. But I'm just joking. >> For the Yeah, for the most part, >> they don't all have discipline is the. point. >> No. >> But they are hard working like as a. group. >> They're hardworking people and they they.

rarely complain and they rarely protest. So when they have to sue Harvard, it's. probably because of something real. And. it turns out it was because of something. real. And it's not just Harvard. It's. multiple universities have higher. standards that they apply to Asian. people because the Asian people work. harder and because they don't want their. school to be overrun by Asians. >> But I say tough [ __ ] If you can't. compete, this is a [ __ ] meritocracy. >> It's a meritocracy. >> If it's they did the same thing to Jews. in in the 50s in Harvard. All these Jews.

were getting into Harvard. They're like, "We have to have a quota that's going to. be overrun with Jews." And they were. just. >> [ __ ] But then there's also the reality. that people that live in poor. communities have way shittier schools. and way less funding and way less hope. and that's bad for everybody, >> right? >> So I don't think the the the solution is. to let unqualified people in. And this. is like with affirmative action pissed a. lot of people off. I think the solution. is find the root of the problem and t.

pump pump a bunch of resources into. cleaning up communities and making these. schools better and making these. communities better and coming up opening. community centers and giving people a. chance to get the [ __ ] out of whatever. Give them some trades or skills or teach. them sports or music or something that. gives them hope that they can do outside. of gang banging and selling crack. And. that the you know the thing that I. always point to is that that could be. you if you were born in that area. That.

would be you. That's a human being. that's trapped in this community. >> I don't think the solution is take this. guy who's got C's and give him a job. over a guy who gets straight A's. I. think the solution is find out why this. guy has C's. Where did he come from? Why. has this place been ignored? If we're. really if if leaders are real leaders, why would you ignore the most. disenfranchised people in the world? Unless you're using them as political. pawns, what you should do is try to. figure out a way to make it profitable.

for businesses. The same way. Hallebertton p like when we blew up. Iraq, Hallebertton came in and made a. [ __ ] ton of money rebuilding things. Make it profitable to make these [ __ ]. communities safe again. Make it. profitable to rebuild. >> But you have to start with telling the. truth, okay? And people don't want to. So you we can't even get out of the. [ __ ] gates. So if I say something. like the biggest problem in some. communities, by the way, certain white. communities, definitely in certain black. communities, the biggest problem is. fatherlessness. If I say that, there are.

plenty of people that say that's that's. we're we're already I'm already going to. push back because you're already being. racist. >> So I can't have a conversation. >> It's a statistic. Right. >> Right. It is a static 70%. And you know. that's one of many problems, >> right? But I had I never forgot when it. comes back to Chinese stuff. I remember. when so if you look what the Chinese did. to Manuria in the in the 30s, Irish. Chang wrote a book about it. I thought. it was I think it was called the rape of. non king. She did all the research, I'm.

sorry, the Japanese, I'm sorry, the. Japanese and and uh Iris Chang ended up. killing herself and I think her mother. or someone said it was because of the. just the trauma of doing the research of. what they did. >> Well, they had contests to see who could. kill the most people in a short amount. of time with their sword. >> It was the most ferocious killing. besides I think Rwanda in history, but a. concentrated number. And I said to my. taekwondo teacher, I I was in college. and he was Korean. And I said,"Wh. haven't the Chinese asked for some kind.

of reparation? Why haven't they sort of. like asked for formal apologies and. stuff?" And he said, "Because in in. Asian culture, Chinese, Korean culture, Japanese c." The idea is this. The. Chinese said, "Oh, well, that happened. to us because we allowed it to happen. We didn't we didn't have our guard up. we weren't strong and it'll never happen. again because you're never doing that to. us again. And it was really [ __ ]. wild. I was like, damn, man. That's a. that's a crazy thing. But that's that's.

inherent to that culture, which is. radical responsibility. Like, you're. responsible. I don't give a [ __ ]. Chinese people have deal dealt with a. lot of discrimination. I believe the. word [ __ ] comes from uh them working on. the railroad. So, the sound of the ching. ching, you know, like that. Yeah, I. think that's where Look that up, Jamie. That's where that that that but they. suffered a shitload of discrimination. and they just set up shop anywhere in. the worst neighborhoods whatever it was. They always Chinese restaurant right now. probably in the Congo. >> Well, let's find out. Let's use.

perplexity which is one of our sponsors. and see if that's where the origin of. the word [ __ ] came from. Even saying. that right there, someone could just. clip that out. >> Oh, they're using they're using slurs. >> Come for me. It doesn't matter. >> They're using slurs. Um, but that does make sense because. >> they just they no excuses. They just. excel. You'll you'll learn how to play a. [ __ ] classical instrument fluently. and be great in finance. >> How did they get people to work on the. railroads specifically from China? Like. what was the origin? >> I think they came here I think it was.

part of the gold rush and I think uh a. number of them came here on the west. coast I think through San Francisco. >> and how did wind up being the. predominant workforce of the. >> they needed labor. They needed about the. real. >> [ __ ] is the name. >> So etmology. complexity say. >> uh iron [ __ ] fish butchering machine. >> replacement. >> 1905 replace many Chinese laborers and. fisheries and reinforce the slurs. prominence as a racist term during that.

period. >> Oh wow. So that's crazy. So instead. Okay. So the derogatory application may. also stem from a resemblance to [ __ ]. meaning a narrow opening or a crack like. a [ __ ] in the armor. >> Huh? >> Fish butchering machine. Well, I guess I. was wrong. >> But the fish butchering machine was. about it's an iron. [ __ ] It's like a slur. >> of the machine. It's not like they were.

named after the machine. >> Uh initially applied to Chinese. immigrants. It's used broadly to target. Eastern Asian people in general. So what. was the origin? When did it start? >> Well, some of it. >> So 1880, >> coinciding with increased Chinese. immigration to North America during the. late 19th century when anti-Chinese. sentiment was strong. Yeah, it seems. like it's just short for China. >> All right, my bad. >> No worries. Makes sense, though. >> Sounded good. >> Sounds like one of those things someone. says in a barber shop.

>> I heard that from a Chinese person, so I. was like, "Oh, that must be right.". >> Interesting. Well, he probably believes. it, too. Yeah, >> he needs to use AI. >> Got to use AI. >> But AI is not always right. You know, there's it's only based on what's out. there. you know, there's there's things. that are just not factually correct or. there's a problem where whatever. government or agency or whatever you're. researching has pushed so much. propaganda through that the standard of. what like standard of care or standard. of education or standard of whatever is.

this incorrect stuff. Like one of the. weird things that Huberman was saying. when um he he was talking to one of his. colleagues who is a physician uh and he. said what percentage of what is in the. medical literature is incorrect and he. said 50%. >> Yeah, I heard that. It's crazy. >> 50% in medical school is incorrect. So. you could research something like that. and you know and it's in the medical.

literature. So the AI would assume that. it's correct. >> but it is not correct. >> because people are full of [ __ ]. >> right? >> And they don't like to be corrected and. they don't like to admit when they're. wrong and they don't like to go back and. they also don't like to rewrite history. books and they don't like to rewrite. things. Like they push back real hard. against that stuff, >> right? you know, like this idea that. we're always on this like constant. search for truth. So, yeah, some people. and some people on a constant search to.

protect their ego and their reputation. because they've said one thing in the. past. Yes. And they wrote books about it and. they have to lie and offiscate because. they can't admit that they were wrong. I. remember this guy who said uh he came up. with the whole theory on echynatia which. is good for colds and then they did this. exhaustive study about echynatia and. they were like listen we've done 25. studies it doesn't make a [ __ ] dent. which I can attest to because I used to. take a shitload of it [ __ ] stay sick. of [ __ ]. >> yeah people used to say echynatian.

golden seal. >> that's right and I took those two and I. used to take the [ __ ] out of those give. me diarrhea hippie chicks [ __ ] man. >> it's their idea you need to take. eanation okay what I need to take. >> somebody gave it to me and it was on. tail end of my cold and I was like I'm. better and then I was like I'm taking. this [ __ ] [ __ ] off. >> What is the benefit like? What do they. say echanatia does? Is it support viral. and antiviral? Anyway, the guy who came. up with the idea goes I'm still taking. it and he that was his response. >> Well, let's find out what this what does. the studies show. Ask perplexity what do. the studies show about echynatia?

>> I saw that with seed oil. I looked at. him up too. Seed oils apparently there's. no studies that say it's bad for you. >> Yeah, but it's bad for you. >> Is it? >> Yeah. It's it's industrial lubricant. It's it's not really even like just if. you know all the process that's involved. in in in making it. It's also not nearly. as healthy as olive oil. And you can get. olive oil. Just use olive oil. Stop. [ __ ] around. Or use beef towel. It's. not human food, man. It's processed. [ __ ] Like that. Just that alone. Like olive oil is [ __ ] super healthy.

for you. Really good for you. And you. can use that. So why do you why are you. using that [ __ ] Olive oil is. expensive. >> It's also it's disgusting like the way. they make it. Have you ever seen the way. they make seed oils? >> Um what does it say? Immunity and. co-prevention. Many studies suggest. echynatia may help support immune. function and possibly reduce the number. and severity of upper respiratory. infections. Some trials some trials. found a small reduction in cold risk or. illness duration while high quality.

reviews show little to no statistically. significant benefit over placebo. That's. all we need to know. We're good. >> That's it. >> We're good. That's it. >> You would really, >> but again, that's part of science, right? Like you you you look at the you. do a study, you see what works, >> and if it doesn't, it doesn't, you know, but a lot of stuff is complicated. >> Sure. >> You know, how you do a study, what you. leave out. >> Also, who's funding the study, >> who's funding the study is huge. >> Whether or not Fouchy, >> how big was the study? Yeah. All that. stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And then and then a lot of the stuff is. also like you have to have expertise in.

that field to even understand the. research. Also, studies are much like. corrupt boxing judges. It's like, what's. the purpose of this? Like, what are you. trying to do? You're trying to make a. lot of money. If you're trying to make a. lot of money, you can make a study where. you can take a dosage that's. preposterous. >> and give it to a group of people and. this [ __ ] them up. And then you you. have a great base of saying this is a. dangerous drug, >> right? They was watching this guy who's. on Patrick BD David's show. This is. something that I did not know. Do you.

know that heroin was created? It was. termed as a solution to morphine. addiction. >> Wow. But it is morphine. >> It's just slightly different. It's just. like methadone. Methadone's [ __ ]. terrible for you. And that's what they. used to get people off of heroin. >> I remember I knew people who were who. would go to the methodone clinic. >> We'd call them the methodonians. We'd. when I was playing pool at Executive. Billiards in White Plains, New York, it. was right down the street from a. methodone clinic. And the methodonians, we get their method. Okay. Heroin was.

originally created as supposedly. non-addictive substitute for morphine. Wow. >> Intended to treat morphine addiction and. serve as a cough suppressant. >> Wow. >> Now, here's what's really crazy. Do you. know that when they were inventing this. stuff, one of the things that they also. came up with was acetaminophen? And. acetaminophen they didn't want people to. take because in studies they showed that. it it [ __ ] rats up. >> in their liver. This is like all these. crazy liberals who are not they're. taking Tyronol because RFK Jr. said.

don't take it. So like [ __ ] you. I'm. taking Tylenol and I'm pregnant. >> Maybe it's okay to take Tylenol if. you're pregnant. I don't know. But what. I do know is it's the number one source. Acetaminophen is the number one source. of acute liver failure in America. 500. people die in America every year from. liver failure because of taking. acetaminophen. So, don't take it. >> or or it's or it's or it's a a dose. thing, right? So, I know most certainly. if the woman's pregnant and she her.

temperature goes way up, it can kill bad. for the baby. So, you there's a there's. a there's a dosage you take that. apparently is okay, right? So you can. take a perhaps. >> I don't know how you would find out. without. >> having another woman with the exact same. body take Tylenol and not have a problem. and one that takes it nothing and. doesn't. >> the thing I asked you about remember the. meat thing where I talked to this guy. who who said that. >> Hold on a second. What does it say. Jamie? Acetto menophen has no direct. chemical or historical connection with. the invention or development of heroin.

Yeah. >> No no that's not what we're saying. No, they they developed it was bare. They. developed acetaminophen as well. It. wasn't that it had a connection to. heroin. It was just another thing that. they developed that they didn't want to. release because they found out that it. had problems. >> Did they? >> Yeah. But this is a guy on Patrick Bet. David. Not he wasn't saying that it was. uh developed as a substitute for heroin. as No, it's not nothing like heroin. >> Did you see what Patrick Bad David said. about Porter? >> About Katie Porter or whatever her name. is. >> No, I didn't. >> It was so funny. He goes, I just want to.

shout out to Katie Porter. She's. fantastic. He's just like, "Just keep. going, man. You just keep talking that. way." And he was just But the way he was. doing it, it sound like he was. supporting her, but he was just like, "Just keep on going. You're telegenic. This is fantastic. You're great." He's. [ __ ] so [ __ ] I love that guy. >> He's a great guy. >> I love that dude, man. >> He's a great guy. >> I get along with him, too. >> That That is an unfortunate situation. And now she's right now drowning in. anxiety. the the wave of the people that.

are attacking her and even unjustly. because of the clip that we pulled up, right, >> where she was talking about people. connecting groomers to just regular LGBT. people or LGBT people. >> Um the uh just the wave of hate that's. coming her way, especially when she. yelled at her staff, "Get out of my. [ __ ] shot." Like, we all know that. kind of person. We all know that. >> We know who you are. That's who you. really are. That's who you are. That's. the real you. We've seen people like. that. We know those kind of people. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, you know, I I actually as I get.

older, I think um how you think and what. you actually hold in your mind and your. heart, even if you try to keep it a. secret, >> it comes out. >> It it will always come out. >> That's why podcasts are so good. >> [ __ ] yeah, man. It's like listen, your. brain is a garden. You got to deweed it. You got to keep your brain You got to. keep your mind on the good things. People are going to [ __ ] you over. You. got to res You got to You got to forgive. them or you'll turn your own back on. your future. All those little. challenges. Yeah. You're gonna have. you're gonna have hard [ __ ] that goes. on. You're going to come home. Your wife. is going to need you. You got kids. You.

can't bring that [ __ ] home. That that is. the discipline. That's being a warrior. Not all this [ __ ] other stuff. Like. I'm [ __ ] practicing my double and. single. Like I have no idea why I love. my son's taking jiu-jitsu, so I like to. teach him. But but at the end of the. day, the challenges are keeping your. mind and your heart pure. And I I I. never used to speak this way, but as I. get older, that's kind of really what I. believe because it's going to [ __ ]. You're not getting away with it. Well, that's why you should stay off social. media because you'll have enemies all. day long. And there's a lot of people. that are our age that are complete. addicts that are just especially the.

left people for whatever reason. But I. shouldn't say that. I know a lot of. people on the right are addicted to it, too. >> Oh, yeah. >> But it's just addicted to these. arguments that people have constantly. every day, calling people [ __ ] and. losers, and you're just carrying around. all that [ __ ] with you all day. >> That's exhausting. >> Which is why I don't do it. I mean, I. could I could go in on [ __ ] every. person that ever wronged me or this that. and said bad things about me. Like, come. on. >> I always do that. I always say, "Listen, I have friends, I'm getting hate." I'm. like, "Listen, dude. If you're getting.

hate, you're doing something right. >> or you're a [ __ ] then maybe you should. get your [ __ ] together. >> Maybe the people are right or you're a. cunt.". >> It's you never know. Like, you know, there's a certain amount of criticism. that you should respect. You should look. at it and go, but a lot of it is straw. man criticism. And the the reason why. people are doing is not really they're. not really criticizing you or what you. stand for. They're making up a thing. >> Pretend that you stand for that thing. and then they're attacking that. >> I get I get checked up sometimes. I'll I. I no longer like I'll read a book and. I'll become an expert. Like I'll read a.

book a half a book on nutrition. >> You you'll read a [ __ ] headline. Why? >> I'll read a headline, bro. And I'm And. you better sit down at my feet because I. got some [ __ ] to teach you. And uh I was. >> Einstein said something to Terrence. Howard once that I'll never forget. really important thing. >> He said, "Stop teaching. >> Stop trying to teach people. You're not. an expert.". >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ]. >> And you know, in his case, it was very. personal because. >> Terrence was talking about mathematics. and physics and Yeah. It was really. important for him because like, you.

know, we know Eric very well. >> Yeah. >> And but there's a lot of people that. think Eric's an idiot, which is. hilarious. >> That's hilarious. >> It's funny. >> Good job. Good luck with that. >> And smart people. There's smart people. that decided he's an idiot and a fraud. And I' I've seen videos where smart. people are tearing him apart and I'm. like, "That's interesting." Okay, that's. so uncharitable and uh not necessary. And even if you have criticisms about. the way he communicates, you got to. understand that the way he communicates. to him is normal. Yeah. >> Right. Cuz he's really [ __ ] smart. >> He's an inherently decent, beautiful.

person. >> He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's. a genuinely great guy. And he's, you. know, not the kind of guy that goes out. of his way to try to ruin other people. He's not doing that at all. No. And so I. get that there's a there's a currency in. criticizing people. Like you can get. clickbait headlines and clickbait. videos, but that all comes at a cost too. because I'm never going to really. respect you because I'm going to think. that what you're doing when you're doing. that kind of stuff is and I get it. It's. cuz if it's a business, you're doing it. on YouTube. It's the best way to get.

clicks. But this this just going out of. the way to attack people, it's not smart. because you're going to be that guy. forever. And then one day you're like 50. or 60 and you've built your whole brand. on being a [ __ ] And. >> but also that same critic that same. critic come backs to you. It comes it. turns around and comes back at you when. you try to do something cuz being good. at anything is very hard. Like I got I'm. [ __ ] dropping my special and I got to. write a whole new I've been writing all.

new [ __ ] That's [ __ ] hard. Not. repeating yourself. Trying to like shake. up your paradigm. It's really hard. it. and and you go through some days where. you're like, I'm I'm never going to. write a joke again, >> right? And if somebody sees you on one. of those days where you're eating dick, they're like, "Oh my god, he's. terrible." Right? >> Okay. Well, I've seen people say that. about Louis. >> Like a friend of mine saw Louie in the. seller's like, "Oh, he sucked." I go, "No, it doesn't suck, dude. >> He's got new bits that are brand new.". And if you see an hour from or a year. from now, that hour will be a polished.

masterpiece. >> Oh, dude. >> But it doesn't come out of the box. perfect. And the only way to ever. develop it is you have to have the. courage to trot these ideas out and try. to find where the funny is in them. And. sometimes the funny isn't there and you. think it is and you go looking around. You go, "All right, folks." And. >> there's no other way. There's no other. way. You got skills as a comedian to. navigate those waters. But, you know, >> I did an interview on a radio thing and. uh this [ __ ] guy who was he had just. started doing stand up was criticizing. the h quote unquote that right-wing hack.

comedian named Jim Brewer. And I went I. turned that interview I was like, "Are. you calling Jim [ __ ] Brewer a hack? Do you know how funny that [ __ ]. is? You know how hard do you know how. hard it is to be to do what that dude. does? Like shut the [ __ ] up. You've. never done You have 10 minutes of. material. Shut up. That guy's a That guy. kills me. You ever see his routine about. the [ __ ] when his cat got a got the. [ __ ] kicked out of him by a raccoon?

>> Oh, dude. Who's your mother now? He just. got this [ __ ]. >> He's so physical. Physically funny. Oh. my god. >> And he's been really funny since I met. him. I met him in like 911 or 92. >> Funny then. >> He was great. >> Goat boy. >> He was phenomenal. And he's a great guy, too. He's a great guy. And it's just. like people are always trying to build. themselves up by taking other people. down. And it's historic. It's been going. on forever. It's always the case. And. it's normal. Like when you're young and. you're coming up and you see people that.

are doing better than you, like [ __ ]. that guy. It's normal. But. >> it's not beneficial. It's not good for. you. >> You can use it to inspire you. >> Yeah. That's what I do. >> I've done what they do. I've hated on. people. I I definitely did when I was. younger. It's just not smart. It's not. It's not a good strategy for life. doesn't help you. >> It's, you know, you your identity gets. too wrapped up in conflict and it's just. like super unhealthy. >> People our age who are still doing that. [ __ ]. >> of course. Don't comics Mark Meron, don't say it.

>> I mean, I don't get it, you know? I'm. like, I don't know. >> I get it. He's sad. He's sad. He wants. other people to hurt. That's uh what it. is. >> It's just not charitable. It's It's. >> Well, it's also he's pathologically. jealous. Like he's been path a he's like. literally mentally ill. Like do you. understand Mark when he first started. when he was just first coming up was. friends with Mitch Hedber and then Mitch. Hedber hit and he couldn't be friends. with him anymore. >> Really? >> Yep. Stopped being his friend. Same. thing with Louis CK. Louis CK and him. were tight. Louisie blew up. Mark.

didn't. He he had to [ __ ] hate him. and it turned on him. Talked [ __ ] about. him. Talk [ __ ] about him openly. And. then he became successful. And the years. where Mark was successful were the best. years of Mark cuz Mark was fun. Like. I've had ups and downs with Mark. I've. gone through this with him like three or. four different times. >> where we he gets upset at me and then we. talk and then are we good? We're good. Like he likes to do that. He likes to. talk [ __ ] about you and then you. confront him and he says you're right.

And with me my my relationship with him. was really complicated because when I. was an open micer I was 21 years old and. I was just starting out. Mark gave me a. compliment once that really helped me. He came up to me and he, "Hey man, you're really funny." He says, "Keep. doing what you're doing. Don't let don't. listen to anybody else. Just keep doing. what you're doing." I was like, "Wow, thank you.". >> That's his best side. That's the good. side. >> And he's not all bad. And he was a young. guy back then, right? So he was just. being cool. And. >> then over time, obviously, I became more. famous than him and more successful than.

him. And he does not like that. He. [ __ ] hates that. And the only time we. were cool was when Mark was number one. So Mark, the podcast took off and you. got to realize it took off when he was. deep into his 40s, right? And it was the. number one podcast in the country and he. was on Rolling Stone magazine and you. know he had his own show on IFC, the. Marin show and he was [ __ ] great. He. was cool to hang with. He was fun. because he didn't have to compare. himself to anybody anymore because he's.

he was a success. Like he could look at. his own success. He was doing a. television show. He had his podcast. Everything was great. And we were cool. Like we were friends. Like I'd see him. I'd give him a hug. I. say, "What's going on?" We would talk. We were like, "We're friendly at the. store. We never hung out off, you know, off site, but we were friendly." Like, we had pushed all the beef aside and he. even did my podcast. We had a great. time. And then, um, I started getting more successful. And. then my podcast passed his. Then my.

podcast became number one. And then the. Spotify deal. And that's when he started. talking [ __ ] about me. So he started. talking [ __ ] about me long before all. this Trump stuff. This Trump stuff is. just the most recent iteration of this. bizarre thing that he does with people. And the first thing was he had decided. that I was an [ __ ] like just because. the podcast took off. But it was it was. not a big deal. It was like I'd heard. people say that he was saying things.

But then after the Spotify deal, the. Spotify deal was a real problem and. that's when he started coming after me. and it was about vaccines. Like so he. was talking about me on stage about. vaccines. It's like by the way. everything I said was correct. The. people that I had on my podcast were. like Robert Malone who got criticized. who he has nine patents in the creation. of mRNA technology. >> He's a vac he's a vaccinologist. He's an. immunologist. >> Yeah. He took the vaccine himself and.

had a horrible adverse event which is. when he started becoming critical of it. and then he started doing the science. and looking into the papers and the. research. >> and he was trying to sound the alarm. He. was right. He was right. All these Dr. Pierre Corey he was right. Peter McCulla. is the most published doctor in human. history in his particular field of. expertise. >> which isology. It's it's kidney disease. I I don't I don't exactly remember very.

well an accredited scientist. >> So these are the people that I had on. that were talking about this stuff. It. had nothing to do with that with that. Marin was upset at it had to do with. jealousy. >> I think though it's another thing I. think some people have a very traumatic. experience when they're younger. It. could be high school and you represent. an avatar of that experience. So, we. just spent the I don't know the first. [ __ ] third of this podcast was about. fighting, working out, and all that.

stuff. There's a physicality there. You. uh you are a physical guy. You're. physically imposing. You you know, you. can choke somebody unconscious, punch. them in the face, blah blah blah. That. that that. meatthead persona, that kind of like uh. forward tilt, that yang energy, that. very hyper male energy. Some people have. a very bad experience with that kind of. energy when they're young. They might be. >> I understand. But you have to judge. people and you can't get strong people.

and pretend that they're. >> he likes to pretend that I'm like a mean. job. >> But that's what I'm saying is that you. got to like as an adult after a while. you have to come to terms with whatever. emotional reaction you have to whatever. this avatar is that you've put all this. stuff on which we all do. I think you've. got to take your tell after a while you. got to go hey this is where I got to let. go of all that stuff and I got to take. the person at face value. This is a. You're talking about introspection. He. doesn't have that. That's not him. He He. does when confronted and he'll he'll. apologize. Like that's his whole thing.

Are we good? We good? And then you hug. it out with people. >> He also lies. Like one of the things he. lied about he did a podcast with um. Howie Mandel and Howie Mandel asked him. uh if you had problems with comedians. Like no, I don't have any problems with. any comedians. I've never had any. problems with comedians. Like what are. you talking about? He's had a problem. with every single comedian that's more. successful than him. Bill Burr, Louis. CK, Dave Chappelle, me, Tony. Hinchcliffe, everybody that passes him. All of a sudden, he and he talks about. them on stage. And the Theo thing really.

drove me nuts cuz that sent Theo into a. real spiral. >> Did it? >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, Theo went into a. spiral. And that was a big part of him. getting attacked was Marin talking about. him on his special, saying that he'd. have Hitler on his podcast. Well, why is. he saying that? Does he think that's. true? Does he think it's Does he think. that. >> Theo has anybody on his [ __ ] show, including Bernie Sanders? >> He's learning. >> He's wants to learn. >> He'll talk to people and, you know, he. will talk to anybody on his podcast. That's not what the thing is. The thing.

is that Marin's podcast, which was. number one, isn't even in the top 100. anymore. I don't even think it's in the. top 200. It went away. And it went away. not because he did anything. He didn't. get arrested. There was no scandal. People just stopped being interested in. it. And I think that hurts the most. And. >> why did they stop being interested in. it? >> It's not good. Here's a part of it. Like. the conversations that he has are fine. But the beginning of the podcast is.

these like self-indulgent rants about. life and him doing things. And there's a. thread dedicated on like Reddit where. people fast forward to the time like. they give you the time stamp of when. he's done ranting so you could just get. to the interview. >> because nobody wants to hear it. Like. it's like it's an inside, you know, joke. >> But. >> it just that's the reality is it's like. Theo passed him like rocketed past him.

and now he has like the number two or. number three podcast in the world. Sometimes there's a there's a thing that. people do when you're older where you. say that person passed me and then you. criticize the culture that got them past. it. Right. >> Well, the thing is ma the thing is that. Maron never developed an audience for. his comedy and he always felt like he. deserved it and that's what drove him. the most nuts. He always felt like he. deserved it. But it's like you deserve. what you get. You know what he has a. record for? Um one of those ticket. things, what it's master, whatever one.

number one for selling single seats. >> That's interesting. >> Oh, that's really interesting. So, >> people with no friends. >> That's interesting. >> Yeah. >> Really? [ __ ]. >> Sad people. Sad people that identify. with the way he behaves in in their. >> I always look at it this way like I you. know somebody we were doing this thing. and Ryan Reynolds people were talking. about how he gets paid or he gets. criticized and I was like look man I. don't know about that. I just know that. I tried really really hard to be Ryan. Reynolds. I did I tried my hardest. I.

was in acting class. I went on every. [ __ ] audition. I got I did okay. I. was on a couple sitcoms and some movies. and stuff. But for whatever reason, I. didn't I'm not Ryan Reynolds. You know. why? I'm just in probably in some ways, hate to say it, I'm I think I'm really. good at comedy, but maybe I'm just not. as good. Or maybe just for whatever. reason, I didn't do it. Maybe he was. smarter in this other area. But either. way, he's. >> Well, the reality is, man, there can. only be like a couple of rounds. But I'm. not going to hate on the guy because of. it. thousands and thousands and.

thousands of people that are trying to. >> I did I tried hard man. >> but see that's the difference between. that and comedy see comedy is a much. more of a meritocrac much more of. America. >> very much. >> if you're funny you can get an audience. and there's there's Jim Brewer's. audience and then there's Nate Bargots's. audience and there's Kevin Hart's. audience and. >> there everyone can you can get an. audience like you just have to put your. work out there and people resonate with. your work and you might not like these. guys. You might say, "This guy sucks or.

that guy sucks and I like this guy." No, no, no. It's fine. You're allowed to. have personal taste. Just like there's. personal taste in music that I don't. like. >> But the proof is proof is in the. pudding. Do people come to see you? Do. do you put asses in seats? Do they enjoy. the time? Or is it an angry bomb where. you're on stage ranting about other. comedians? >> Well, that's Marin and he does it all. the time. Tim Dylan was just saying he. was doing that in LA the other day just. ranting about the comedians that are at.

the Riad comedy festival which is a you. know like legitimate area of criticism. if you can make it funny like is you. know you're working for the Saudi. government and they've definitely done. some stuff that's [ __ ] horrible but. the the this the root of it all is not. real. It's not that he cares so much. that he wants everyone to do the right. thing. That's not it. It's he's upset. that all these people are getting. attention. He's upset that all these. it's very childish and but he'll make it.

look like, you know, he's the righteous. side, the left, the progressives. He's. the voice now and he's going to [ __ ]. you know, we got work to do. We got to. get these fascists out. No, it's but. it's about him getting more attention. That's what it ultimately is all about. And that's unfortunate. And um I'm not. mad at him. And if I saw him and I. talked to him, we were cool, I'd give. him a hug. But he wants to be just. honest, >> right? But he wants to pretend that. everybody else is bad and mean and this. is this is like the reason why they.

they're successful or that they're hacks. >> or that the culture's corrupted. >> Some dumb [ __ ] like, you know, you stop. making fun of trans people. They can't. get healthcare. That's one of the things. he said. Like, what are you talking. about? They can't get healthare. Health. care is care that makes you healthy. The. law that got passed was stopping. chemical castration drugs and surgery. for underage children that are confused. >> And you know how many kids don't. >> by the way these these things that they.

call hor like hormone. puberty blockers. >> But hold on hormone blockers that's not. what they originally were used for. We. know that like medicine can be used off. label, right? And the idea of that. initially was there was only like, you. know, a hundred different kinds of. medicine and you could figure out what. would work and you could prescribe it. for different things and off label uses. The stuff that they're using, what. they're calling puberty blockers is the. same drugs that they used to give to sex.

offenders for chemical castration. It's. the same drugs. >> [ __ ] unbelievable. It's chemical. castration drugs and you're giving it to. children. And then there's this. narrative that it can be reversible. No, it's not. No, you go through you're. going to have a micro penis for the rest. of your life. You're going to have. [ __ ] up vocal cords. You're your whole. body is going through bone density. sucks. >> Strokes. There's a lot of like weird. [ __ ] horrific side effects. >> It's so [ __ ] evil to me. >> Right. So his straw man is transgender. people can't you should stop talking.

about it, man. They can't get medical. care. They can't get healthcare. You. happy? That has never been the case. That's. what you're saying. That the problem is. >> he's trying to get you to limit the. amount of things that you're talking. about that people want to hear. That's. really what he's doing. It's like a. really selfish, self-oriented [ __ ]. thing. It's not righteous. That's what's. the crazy thing about it. And people are. going to find that out, man. They're. going to dig into you. They're going to. listen to the things you say and what. the way you behave and the things you've.

talked about. saying, you know, like. that the whole reason why everybody. voted for Trump is because they wanted. to say the word [ __ ] That's a straw. man. Like it was a really funny bit. I. get it. It's okay. It's not that good a. bit, but it's a straw man. That's not. true. What everybody wanted was they. realized there was a crazy thing. happening where the border was wide open. and 20 million people got in in four. years that weren't supposed to be here, >> right? >> But does that mean that you support. everything that they're doing now? Are. they kicking people out? No. No. this. this this storming into the [ __ ] Home.

Depot and arresting people. No, no, that's not cool either. The military in. the street, I think, is a dangerous. precedent. But also, why are you. allowing people to just riot on the. streets and burn down buildings like. >> Yeah. Why do you have to lock up. toothpaste in Washington DC? Toothpaste. You got to lock it up. >> San Francisco as well. Is that good? No, it's look, there's there's there's a. balance to be had here and there's a. conversation to be had, but it's not in. straw man arguments where you're saying. that the only reason why people want is. they wanted to say this. These comedians.

are just voting for fascism. >> No, I want this is why with my podcast. like I was I got to a point where I was. having I was interviewing people, right? It was it was great. But the problem is. I I don't I after a while for me like. there are too many people like you who. do it really well. I would love and I. don't know if I'll be able I think I. talked to you about this just to get. people on two different sides to have a. discussion just to find out like just to. kind of get to a so in other words can. we just try to approach this as solving. a problem.

>> it has to be the right two people. >> it's hard to get them though but. >> that's hard to get them but it also has. to be two people that are actually just. trying to state their points you know. it's a really good example that recently. Coleman Hughes. >> was great. >> uh had he's great had Dave Smith on his. very good conversation. Super balanced, intelligent, calm level, especially from. Coleman. Coleman's so good. >> He's a killer. >> He's so good. >> And it was, you know, one of the rare. times where I think Dave was kind of. stumped in certain situations. It's.

great. >> Oh, Dave probably learned a lot. That's, you know, stay. >> great. >> I mean, he had a very interesting point. about the Wesley Clark thing. Did you. see that part? I did. >> Yeah. But like he never saw the memo. Like he was told what was in the memo. It's like you understand that if you're. writing a history book that wouldn't. even be you couldn't even put that in. the book which is is accurate. >> It's absolutely accurate. >> It's accurate. It doesn't mean that they. didn't actually do that though. And it. seems like that's that is exactly what. happened which is like kind of. convenient. >> Well, he addressed that too. But I I. know what you're saying. It's like again.

>> but it's also like a brilliant debate. >> Yes. >> And never never. >> and I learned you learned things from. that. >> You're not going to see Mark in one of. those. >> And that's the bummer. It's like if you. if you have these ideas you're standing. on and you're vocal with them, right? Then you should be willing to put them. on the table and see how they war. against another idea. >> And you also should entertain the other. person's perspective. The problem is. like Dave has been saying it one way for. the longest time. And when Coleman said.

that. >> the I think the correct response is that. is true. You got a really good point. >> You won. You're right. However, no, you. didn't really win because they did do. exactly what was in that memo. I mean, they did overthrow every single country. except for Iran. >> No, no, because he said, in fact, we did. it with a number of other regimes, but. there were, I think, three or four. countries in that memo that they we. haven't done that with, >> right? But they've been going after. those specifically, and those a lot of. them did did get toppled.

>> This was Rumsfeld. >> But it's also Yeah. And it is. interesting that that is a strategy that. the United States employs and that we do. topple regimes and that we you know we. do we have in the past we have been. involved in that and to deny that I. think is kind of crazy. >> right. >> and we also really do a good job of. taking advantage of opportunities and. when 9/11 happened that's when they. passed through the Patriot Act like. that's when they they started taking. >> that was the birth of the surveillance. state sir exactly they know they know. everything about you I talk about this. in specialists like they know a woman's. pregnant based on her migratory shopping.

pattern, sir. >> Interesting. >> Okay. So, they can based on your. migratory shopping pattern, they can. pick up that you're that you are with. child. >> and and you don't before she knows it. before she knows it. >> That's crazy. >> Okay, that's what's crazy. >> They have they have cameras with full. gate recognition. So, the way you. >> gate changes, >> how you walk is in the cloud there. That. is a signature for you. Okay, forget. your biometrics. Cover your face all you. want. They have cameras that can pick up.

how you walk. The mathematics of how you. walk is just like your fingerprint. They. also have a laser that can shoot in your. heart into your body and pick up your. heart signature, sir. So, good luck. hiding from the state. It's here and. that's it. Your privacy. Yeah. One of. the things that they were saying when it. came to the abortion um debate that I. thought was very interesting that I. hadn't considered is that. >> they were um they were talking about. prosecuting women that left a state.

where abortion was illegal and went to a. state where it was legal and then. returned. Yeah. >> And that they were going to do this. based on apps. So women have apps where. they track their ovulation and that they. could get the data from these apps and. then it's outrageous. Yeah. >> And it's also that's where it gets. really creepy because it's a lot of. Christian fundamentalists. >> Well, it actually hinges on. >> becomes a religion. >> It actually hinges on murder, right? So, so if you if somebody came across state.

lines and murdered somebody, you could. do that. That's that's absolutely. legitimate. When you define abortion as. murder, okay? then then that is there is. a there are strong legal grounds to. establish that precedent. >> Sure. But you're also also not supposed. to be prosecuting say if you're in. Texas, you're not supposed to be. prosecuting someone for the actions they. did in Oklahoma. >> unless it's murder. That's a federal. crime. >> Okay. So they if they approach it that. way. >> Yes. >> So you you you you certainly were a. republic but and and so there are.

statutory laws but they do not supersede. in many cases uh federal law if it's. something like murder. That's a capital. crime. >> The problem is you're getting giving men. the ability to track women's behavior in. a way that I think it's hugely. problematic. >> Very [ __ ] creepy. Also, when there's. a significant portion of this country. that believes women should have access. to abortions. >> and for you to say no and it's their. body, that that gets slippery. >> This is where this is where we get into. >> it gets real slippery. And that gets. into more of a libertarian area, you.

know, where I think that's probably. where I land a lot of the time. >> Mhm. Now you're sounding like a leftist. slash libertarian. It's so weird, right? It's hard to label anybody. >> when it comes to live and let live and. accepting people for whatever it is, whether they're gay or whether from. another country. Like I'm open to. everybody. I want you to just be cool. Be nice and be cool and try to do a good. thing with your life and enjoy yourself. and. >> not harm others. >> When you're running when you're when. you're So when you have policy, the.

problem is we get into the weeds. technology creates problems that are. major because the typically I think with. Roie Wade the abortion was legal until. the the fetus was viable on its own. Okay. So you once the fetus was if if it. could be the cut off thing was without. the mother if it needs the mother then. it's still um you can still. >> part of the mother. >> now if the baby's eight months no um but. when what happens when technology can.

keep a six week fetus alive and bring it. to term. >> now you're dealing with now you can't. make the argument. >> the case right now. >> but it it will be technology is so so. now the Now the problem becomes now what. do you do? Now we have to redefine. So. the the people who believe in abortion. or a woman's right to choose have to. redefine what it is. And the only way to. get around that is to say that that a. woman can make that choice until the. baby's born. And that's where you get.

politicians say you believe that baby. should be killed up until they're about. up until a woman's crowning. And then we. get into this whole thing and then you. know. >> Yeah. And. >> well, it it also is a uniquely human. issue in that it does get blurry. Like. as much as I say I'm 100% I think a. woman it's her choice, especially at. early stages. You know, if someone is. pregnant for four weeks, that's your. choice. >> I I don't think anybody should be. stepping in. However, everybody with any.

kind of a heart or a m everybody loves. babies. When you get to like 8 months or. 7 months, you're like, "Whoa, that is a. full-on baby inside of you, which is. >> and then when you see what they do when. they do have late term abortions, you. could see the body parts.". >> Like, I don't know if you've ever seen. it. Unfortunately, I have. >> Can't watch that [ __ ]. >> I I've watched some of those videos. And. then you've also seen people who were. working for Planned Parenthood who were. c callously talking about sorting.

through these parts. >> I guess you have to be that way, don't. you? >> I guess. >> I mean, there's no other way to do it. >> I guess. But there's some of those. project veritas type videos where, you. know, people are behind the scenes. Darkness, man. It's so dark. But they. don't think there's anything wrong. because they think that abortion should. be legal and abortion is a leftist. position and a woman should have a right. to choose. So in their mind, this is. what's happening and like here's a leg. and here's a heart and here's a head. >> This is where ideology you have to be.

super inflexible, right? You got to be. like, well, this is what I believe no. matter what. And I can't live that way. No. [ __ ] that. >> You can't be if you're not grossed out. by a little baby hand that just got. sucked out of a woman's vagina with a. vacuum cleaner. kind of crazy. >> Bob Geldoff said something that was so. interesting. You know, remember Bob. Geldoff, we are the world. >> And he was talking about Gaza, right? And you can get into a really you can. get into a debate about Gaza. I don't I. leave that [ __ ] alone because I'm not. going to get into that because you you. can talk about Israel turning into the.

surface of the moon. There's there's. plenty of criticism in that direction. You can talk about what they did in. October 7th and all that stuff. But he. said something wild. He said, "Look, there are a lot of kids who are starving. or at least malnourished or really. hungry, whatever it might be." And he. said something. He asked a question I. thought was great. Get into the debate. He said, "But hey, who are we as human beings, as people? Who are we?" Like, there's got to be. something we can do. There's got to be. something we can do, whether it's. Israel, whether it's Palestinians,

whatever, to to at least get that kid. fed. At least to stop that kind of. stuff. And that's that I think sometimes. there's a question to ask. You got to. throw all your ideology out the window. You got to throw all your politics out. the window and go, "Hold on." This is. called the stop everything button. I'm. going to push it right now. I'm just. going to stop everything. And uh we got. to stop and make sure those kids are. fed. [ __ ]. >> Unless your ideology has gotten so dark. that you think of those kids as an. other. You don't think of those kids as. kids. Those kids are orcs. >> Yeah. That's what the vidant always says.

that the the the seeing nothing no other. is is the way ultimately realizing that. you and that person back to what you. said you'd be that person too under. those circumstances. >> but then there's a cold hard reality of. environment and culture right if if you. grow up in this radical geograph. let's not get it twisted it doesn't mean. you're an intellectual and say. everything is everything okay we're not. being relativist here. >> what I'm saying is if you live in a part. of the world that's [ __ ] You're going.

to be [ __ ] That's right. You're going. to be [ __ ]. >> Which is then we have to go hold on. There is a there is a better way and. there is a bad there's a worse way. When. you lose that side of that like there's. there is a better way. There's good, there's evil, there's better, there's. worse. And that takes some time to. understand the meaningful difference. >> Have you ever talked to Evan Hafer about. his time in Afghanistan? >> Yes. >> Some of the things that he told me, the. things that he saw and the things that. he like personally witnessed. Yes. >> He's like, "You really get this feeling.

like you just you just can't you can't. you can't deal with this." Like, and. this is my thought on that. It's like, I. wonder if that's what life was like all. over the world thousands and thousands. of years ago. I wonder if like kind nice. people were like an aberration and if. most of the war like we're seeing in. places like Afghanistan these warlord. driven mountain communities of people. that are like I wonder if that's like. how most of human history was. >> I believe it was.

>> I believe it was. >> there was you had you had the that Daryl. Cooper said the greatest thing about the. Middle East conflict. He said it's a. part of the world where people have to. give up who they could be for who they. have to be. And that's a beautiful way. to put it because because that is that. is that is what we are. So, man, as. Americans, especially a certain kind of. American, >> we're so lucky because I get to be who I. get to try to be who I want to be. I. don't have to settle for who I have to. be. >> I don't have to watch my kids go hungry. and and do some bad [ __ ] because if my.

kids couldn't get water, I'm going to be. slitting some throats. But I never had. to face that stuff. I never had to. embrace the angels of my darker nature. just to survive. And it's a luxury, man. >> And you also never had to like those. people never get to stray from that path. because they're they're in that path. from the time they're a child. And if. they make it to be 30 and they're living. like that, it's a miracle. >> If you lose an election in a lot of. countries, you die. You don't live to. another see another day. >> How about Mexico? We were talking about. the amount of assassinations in Mexico.

I had Ed Calderon on explain. >> Listen to it. >> He was like, "They're all working for. the cartel. That's what it is. It's. cartel on cartel violence. >> That is so crazy. >> And it's like, why is that? Because. drugs are illegal. And so only the. outlaws sell the drugs and we are the. ones who buy it. And so we prop up this. [ __ ] illegal market that's right next. door. >> We're the biggest market in the world. for that stuff. >> I know. And it's just it's that's. another human problem. Like so what do. you do? Do you make everything legal? Cuz then you're going to have drug. addiction and you're going to have all. sorts of problems and people are going.

to overdose that probably wouldn't. But. is that better than like allowing people. to overdose accidentally on fentinel cuz. they just wanted a bump of coke? >> You can stack bodies. That's one way to. do it. You can actually, like he was. saying, treat it like an insurgency and. stack bodies like we did with ISIS. We. solved that ISIS problem. Nobody ever. talks about that. We solved that ISIS. problem in about six [ __ ] months. >> Yeah. >> That we the Trump said, I'll tell you. what, you guys uh let's take the gloves. off and just go to work. And we stacked. bodies. and that kind of went away in 6.

months. It is if you want to get really. ugly there. There's one aspect of it you. can do that and I believe that's. possible and the reason I believe it's. possible for some countries like the. United States is because we've done it. and that'd be pretty ugly. Or the other. thing is to maybe look into legalizing. or taking the profit out of that kind of. behavior. That's the second thing. The. third thing you could do, you could do. is you could actually go to the cartels, which is controversial, but I know it.

was on the table, and cut a deal, which. is tell you what guys, tell us where all. the fentanyl is, all the fentanyl. factories in this country and in Mexico. No fentel, no human trafficking, but you. can sell, let's say, marijuana and. cocaine. How's that sound? You. >> I heard about that, too. >> Yeah. Now, >> I'd heard that involved like a financial. exchange. And yes, that's right. And. also pay us some reparations. So here's. here's I don't know $5 billion today. We'll give you $5 billion in about five. years, >> which is crazy. >> Listen listen, it's a deal, right? These.

are business people. >> But do you really think that they would. honor that deal? But that then. essentially you're opening up the door. to well, they're just a pharmacy now. >> They're a pharmacy for illegal drugs. that we can't stop from coming in. So at. one point in time, should we just accept. the fact that people want to buy drugs. and sell drugs? Because look, if cocaine. was pure, how many people would be just. doing a bump every now and then on a. Saturday night? >> You can't sustain it. If you want to do. blow, nobody did a bunch of blow. Nobody. had a lot of problems blow and it was.

got better the next day. >> The problem that's a bunch of blow. Some. people don't do a bunch of blow, but. they'll occasionally do blows, bro. A. little. >> But no, no, no. That's not what I'm. saying. I mean, some people can just. party on the weekend. Okay. >> Right. We don't think that's the case. cuz we think everyone's a crackhead. Everyone just loses their whole life. Like we don't even know because it's. illegal. >> Right. >> Right. We don't know how like that's Dr. Carl Hart's position. You know, Dr. Carl, >> in other words, people can actually use. drugs recreationally and be fine. >> That's him. And he's. >> individual responsibility, their adult.

Yeah. And he's like the problem is this. propaganda about what drugs are. >> He's the heroin guy. >> Yeah. He tries heroin. He don't do it. that way. It. >> Sorry, dude. I'm not cool. >> He can't say he's the heroin guy. Dang, >> but he's brilliant and he's a very. interesting guy. When he talks about it, you like you're getting the perspective. of a very educated person who was a uh. complete clean sober person until he. became a clinical researcher. And then.

as he's researching these drugs and. doing like actual scholarly work, he. realizes like, oh, they don't this is. not real at all. All this propaganda is. nonsense. like the heroin addiction. thing. He's like, "It's like the flu. It's like you just you you feel like. [ __ ] for a couple days, then you get. over it and you're fine." He's like, "It's not. >> Well, he's I mean, you're right that. most most people use drugs. recreationally and it doesn't ruin their. life." So, again, I I I. subscribe to that idea. Like, let let.

people do they're gonna do it anyway, by. the way. They're gonna smoke weed, they're gonna do blow, they're gonna do. that [ __ ]. >> but it was would it this is my position, I think. Yes. But if they did make it. legal where you can go to CVS and buy. heroin or go to CVS and buy cocaine, you're going to get a lot more people. that buy it and try it because it's now. legal, you know? So, you're getting a. lot more drug use initially. >> Maybe in the short term. >> Yeah. Because our culture is [ __ ] up. Our culture is like designed to accept. legal things that are very detrimental.

like alcohol, which is hugely. detrimental. One of the worst ones for. >> bigger than cocaine. >> Yeah. Well, that's all that's one of the. things that Hunter Biden said. You ever. hear Hunter Biden talk about crack? No. >> Makes you want to try crack. It's. amazing. He did this interview with what. is that guy's name? >> Andrew Callahan. >> Andrew Callahan. And um he did this. whole thing where he described how. amazing crack is. I swear to God, it. makes you want to try crack. >> Yeah. >> But you know, he asked him, "You think. crack is safer than alcohol?" He's like, "Yeah, probably. Yeah, it's probably. safer.". >> And it probably is. >> Well, first of all, crack is devastating.

quickly. Like you'll wake up in 3 years. and have no house and be on the street. alcohol. You can be an alcoholic for 40. years before you realize, "Holy [ __ ] I. got nothing going on.". >> Yeah, that's true, too. >> Right. So, so I I again, I mean, I I. think that the the idea is you can. legalize it. Uh there's a lot of money. in enforcement and uh you know, or you. can stack bodies. >> Well, in the back in the day, people. used to snort cocaine and if you took to. free basing, you had a real problem. Like that was Richard Prior. Richard. Prior was fine until he started.

freebasing. >> But most of us are going to go, >> but that's crack, right? >> Freebasing is crack. Most of us would. like most of us are busy, right? Like. you're going to have people that going. to [ __ ] their lives up just like they do. with alcohol and everything else and. cocaine and crack. But most of us, even. if it's exactly, but if it's around, >> we'll navigate it exactly how we're. going to navigate social media. >> Exactly how we navigate alcohol, >> right? These you're start you're going. to start to see people are going to. start to realize they're being gamed by. bots by the most extreme examples. Your.

algorithm is lying to you. So pretty. soon what happens? You say things like, "I'm not going to [ __ ] I'm not I'm. going to get off social media." I. >> think it takes like 10 years before they. figure that out, though, right? >> Okay. But it takes a while and then. we'll have another problem. But I I just. think every time you try to uh [ __ ]. >> nanny state. >> or just make the world Yeah. Make the. world fix the world with with force, >> right? >> You better It's kind of like squeezing a. balloon. The gas is the the air is just. going to go on another part of the. balloon. As I get older, I'm like, I.

don't know, man. There might be a much. easier way to do this [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Well, personal responsibility is. huge, but also counseling. Like, if. you're going to allow drugs, you there. would have to be a whole support system. set up to help people with addiction. But then also, they should bring in. Ibeane. I mean, what they're doing with. Ibeane in Texas with veterans and with. people that are drug addicts, they've. had tremendous results. It stops your. addiction dead in its tracks. Crazy, right? With one session, 80% of the. people never never return. And with two. sessions, 90 plus percent of the people.

never return. >> to alcohol. >> To anything to heroin, alcohol, cigarettes, gambling, whatever it is. Holy [ __ ]. >> Whatever you're hooked on. >> Doesn't work for that [ __ ] too. >> Oh, Zmpic seems to have some sort of an. effect on that as well. Yeah. >> Yeah. Has some sort of craving part of. your brain. >> Addictions. Yeah. Because it's like it. stops appetite. So, I wonder if it stops. like an appetite for like wild [ __ ]. too. Like, >> come on, seven, you know, like people. that are gambling addicts. >> Yeah. Apparently, it it helps. I think. that the peptides and all that [ __ ]. technology is going to make it so that.

we can figure out a way to control a lot. of that [ __ ]. >> I think so too. Yeah, I think they'll. >> they have very good drugs for alcohol. >> Very good drugs. You can take a drug for. alcohol. The problem is it's not the. alcohol. The problem is when you take. away somebody's addiction like alcohol, >> then they still have an itch for. something. >> But no, but it's also like your whole. all the fun of your life. Do you know. that when you get a when people get. gastric bypass um and and they they stop. eating uh suicides go up for them. because eating was how they [ __ ]. dealt with all their problems.

>> Like so you're t you know again now. you're you're you're taking away the. addiction but you you're not getting to. the source because you got to be able to. replace that [ __ ]. >> You got to turn him into triathlete like. that old lady. >> which is why you got to go to church. >> I'm a man of God. I go to church now. Do. you? Yeah, I've gone to church many. times. >> I like it. I go to I go to Red Rocks. >> Don't tell people where you go. >> Oh, sorry. >> They got to come see you. >> Yeah, hang out with me. >> I'm not that famous. >> Sit right behind you. Stare at your. Bible. See if you're on the right page. >> This is what This is my fame. People go,

you know, Joe Rogan. >> Can you get this thing to him? I got a. deal. >> Yeah. I want to sell shoelaces. >> I don't even do I don't I love that. I'll Sometimes people just come up with. like today great idea. It's like, you. know, it's a good thing. And you were. like, I'm just not interested. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't want to be in business. with anybody. >> No, >> it's not fun. I've tried it. >> Yeah, >> it's not a good time. >> I do have I do have a business proposal. >> Yeah, >> I had it with you. >> I have an idea. >> I'm sure you do. >> I have one idea. I've brought you with I.

brought I brought two ideas to you. >> Yeah, they all suck. >> No, they didn't. They're. >> Tell everybody your special, Brian Ken. Sound. >> my special. My special iss Gods. I shot. it at the mother ship. >> I'm very proud of it. I think it's going. to be great. >> Who shot it for you? >> Um, uh, Dana, who's Sam Tripley's, uh, lady. >> Oh, nice. >> I love Dana so much. And she's That's. the second thing she did. She did Man. Tears. And this is, uh, I'm dropping. this tomorrow. >> Beautiful. >> And this will air tomorrow. >> It'll air. It's today. So, everybody's.

listening. It's today. >> If you're listening, it'll be tomorrow, but it'll October 15th. >> Yeah. >> Exclusively on YouTube. That's it. [ __ ] huh, brother. >> And now I'm back to square one. I'm. going to shoot my next one at the mother. ship. I'll see you tonight. Are you. going to be Yeah, I'll be there tonight. >> I'll be there, too. Thank you for the. time. >> My pleasure, my brother. Always good to. hang out. >> Oh, hey. Uh, and come see every other. Wednesday at Brian Redband's Club, uh, Sunset Strip. We do acting off. Do you. know about my show? >> Oh, no. What's that? >> Oh, dude. I take I take all the all the.

comics in Austin and we see who the best. actor is. So, you've got to like do. things like die in slow motion. Who does. that the best? Or do redo the scene from. The Notebook as Miss Piggy and Donald. Trump. It's [ __ ] hilarious. Payton. Ruddy is a [ __ ] killer in it. Dan. Marella, dude, it's been so amazing and. we haven't promoted it, but I'm starting. to promote it now cuz we're gifying it. We have teams and see who can do the. best like, you know, interpretation. We. have we have up close acting, so we have. a camera on your face. >> This is another thing that pisses me off. about all these comics talking [ __ ]. about the Austin scene. There's so many.

things going on here. this idea so many. clubs people have like made this again. this straw man like you have to have an. n-word joke and you have to have a trans. joke like [ __ ] that [ __ ] club is so. diverse. >> incredibly diverse. >> but naturally yes with no effort it's. all just funny people. >> who's the funniest. >> people are funny in all shapes and sizes. from all walks of life whatever struggle. you've had that manifest itself in humor. that's right. >> exists there's tons of people in that.

club that are gay. Most of the comedian. >> Most of the comedians, by the way, are. liberal. Yes, sir. >> So, that throws that out the window. This whole idea that it's some [ __ ]. right-wing. comedy club. Like, stop it. Most of the. people there are liberal. Most of them. >> Correct. >> But it's just this walled garden thing. when people are on the outside and. they're like, there wasn't there hasn't. been a scene here before, right? >> And then you have the scrubs that were. here like they ruined the comedy scene. Like, you guys had nothing. >> Shut up. You shut your stupid lazy hole.

You had nothing. There was It was You. didn't even have a comedy club. When I. moved here, Cap City was closed. You. know how I know? Cuz I was going to buy. it, >> right? >> I was looking I went to look at the. [ __ ] place where Cap City used to be. and I was going to purchase it. >> That's how I know it was under. >> good club now. >> It's the new one. That's a different. one. >> The old one was great, too, though, which is like an event center now. Um. but yeah, the new one is great. >> No, but but but brought a bunch of. comedy here. There are a lot of other. clubs that are going that are really.

fun. Quick and a Cave. >> because we made it so that first of all, you've got a club that has two days of. open mic nights and you've got a real. guy in Adam Eaggan who's a real talent. coordinator that really helps the. development of comedians and he does it. really like consciously. >> Takes it very seriously. takes it very. seriously and he's like he really loves. commenting. He really wants to help. people and he gives great advice and he. thought Adam actually watches sets like. he sits in the audience and watches. >> takes his job very seriously. Unbelievable. Yeah. I mean that's why I. brought him in. I mean he and I were the.

founders of the mothership. I mean it. was like we we did it together. I. wouldn't have done it without him. I. wouldn't have done it without him and. without Carrie and a lot of the people. that came from from the the the store. Y. >> and this is a place that we're it's new. and so if you're on the outside and. you're not in you try to find some. criticism that that's look criticism is. fine if you're telling the truth but. there's a bunch of people that are. making things up because they're trying. to attack something that they can't be a. part of. >> That's right. >> And most of the reason you can't be a.

part of is cuz you're a [ __ ] You're a. [ __ ] You're a [ __ ] person. >> [ __ ] We have a no [ __ ] allowed. try to eliminate and we have, you know, we've we've actually banned some [ __ ]. >> you know, because people were shitty. people and like we're trying to have a. real positive place where we could just. get better at this art form. >> It's a love fest. Every time we go. there, everybody's having a good time. I. love it. >> And you're going to have people that. have better experiences there and worse. experiences there. One of the things. like someone was saying that she went to. a comedy show and Justin Martindale went.

on and then the next guy who came on. started saying all these slurs about. him. Yeah. You know who the next guy. was? Who? >> Brian Holtzman. >> Okay. So, if you know Brian Holtzman's. act, it's a character he plays that's a. complete maniac. And everyone he goes. on, he went after Kim Congden the other. night. Kim Cogden has this great set. >> She's in the the little boy. Great set. Very funny. He goes on, he goes, "It. amazing watching women try to do things. men do.

>> What are you doing? Get in the kitchen. Get in the kitchen." It's a character he. plays. Make me a sandwich. >> He's the sweetest human being. >> The sweetest human being. So he did this. with Justin. >> Justin Martell doesn't care. Justin. Martell as good as he. >> [ __ ] said he like commented on it. when this girl was talking [ __ ] about it. like yeah that happened like yeah that. happened with Brian Holtzman. You. [ __ ] [ __ ] You know what he's. doing. He does that with me. He does. that with everybody. Every single person. he goes on after he shits on them to set. the tone and then he shits on. everything. He shits on the tech guys.

walking around with the the South by. Southwest. He goes crazy. He's funny as. [ __ ] too. He's a legend. Like, you know. what he's doing. >> This So that maybe this one comic didn't. know. Maybe no one told her. But she. It's like spreading all this [ __ ] that. it's like this hateful environment like. it's so silly. >> I know you wish it was cuz then it it. could suck and you're not a part of it. >> Come see how many come see how diverse. the faces are in the [ __ ] mothership. It's the United Nations, dude.

>> Yeah, it really is. >> It really is. and and including because. of Tony. There are a lot of people who. are who are uh disabled who would never. have a [ __ ] stage, but because they. did some [ __ ] on Kill Tony, >> Tony like, you know, facilitated the. fact that they have a place to perform. every single [ __ ] night and a. community. And then, by the way, they've. earned it. I'm not saying they haven't. >> Yes. And with Kill Tony, they have a. very unique pathway where if they can. really bang out a solid minute and kill, they can have a career. You're gonna.

have a career. Yeah. And then. >> Timmy No breaks. He He does acting off, by the way. >> Oh, I'm sure he's dude. That dude is. He'll just come up with [ __ ] out of him. and Payton Runny will [ __ ] And Danny. Martinella, they'll hit you with [ __ ]. And we're just like, "Holy [ __ ] man.". >> And that's Wednesday night at what time? >> Wednesday night. We do it at 7. We're. doing it on October 22nd. Come see what. we do. It's gified. It's. >> Where is uh the best place to find out. when you guys are going to be there? Is. it the website? comic strips.

on Sunset Strip's website and and my. website, but also my my Instagram and. stuff. I post about it. Beautiful. And. Nick Collus and my buddy Nick Simmons, who are my openers, you know, Nick. Simmons. Funny as [ __ ] He's funny. >> He's [ __ ] great. We got to get him. in. We got to get those those guys are. all auditioning, too. They're They're. going through the whole process. So, it's fantastic. >> Great guys. >> All right. You're uh False Gods. available on YouTube. >> Come see me. >> All right. Love you, bro. Peace. Love. you. >> Bye, everybody. [Applause]. [Music].