Joe Rogan Experience #2387 - Gregg Braden

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> We just missed a fabulous conversation. about your hair. The best hair. >> We talking. >> I would not wear headsets if I. >> Are we recording right now? >> Yeah, we're going now. >> So, did you ever know Wayne Dyer? >> No, I didn't know Wayne Dyer. Do we Wait. a minute. Do we have Wayne Dyer on the. podcast ever? Like way way way way back. in the day.

I was uh I was on a cruise with we had. the same publisher Hay House is our. publisher and we were on a cruise just. off Australia. Of course the sun's out. there and Wayne came out and he's got a. very shiny head. He said uh Greg Braden. I said yeah. He said you see this and I. said yeah. He said this is a solar panel. for a sex machine. >> Okay. >> And and I I couldn't I couldn't match. that, you know. So I said I said well. you see this? I said these are every one. of these every one of these hairs is a.

highly advanced finely tuned antenna to. higher dimensional state spaces. information. And so that was our joke. about hair and and no hair. >> Imagine if like that's what made you. enlightened how much air you had and. when it started to fall out you got. dumber. >> Like I said they they every decade of my. life they're saying if you have it this. decade you can keep it. So when I hit my. 70s they said you got you got this this. you can probably keep it. So. >> Oh yeah. if you have minoxidal like if. you got like really good at it today and. there's a bunch of different uh DHT.

inhibitors that are topical that they. could use my friend Derek from Derek. more plates more dates it's a website he. got a bunch of like protocols and how to. save your hair so people want to save. their hair um but we were talking about. art bell when we came in here because. there's a photograph of art on the wall. that like was one of the most important. things for me to put up like we talked. about it and Jamie and I were like ah. you got to get we got to get a metal. picture of Art Bell because that was the. guy, man. When I was driving home from. the comedy store at like 1:00 in the. morning and I was listening to AM radio,

coast to coast with Art Bell from the. Kingdom of Nine. >> It was my favorite. This is like all for. me was kind of pre- internet, too. Like, you know, the internet existed, but it. wasn't the thing that it is now. There. was no podcasts. No, but you know the. crazy thing is the stuff that was on. that program that was all fringe is what. everybody's talking about every day at. lunch at lunch right now. >> Area 51, Bob Lazar, totally mainstream. >> You know, he was so kind to me. He had.

me on this program before I had my first. book. I self-published my first two. books and I was doing talks uh all over. up and down the west coast uh up in the. Vancouver and he had heard somebody in. his shop had been to one of those talks. and he invited me on no book and uh and. then he had me on a number of times. after that and so I I was very honored. to be on there and you know we talked. about everything man he could that was. the thing you could talk about anything. anything you wanted to talk about. >> it was it was also like art was a show.

where You could get real information and. you could also get complete horseshit. and you had to be able to discern what. is what. But Art treated everyone with. equal respect. Like you could call him. up, Art, I'm a werewolf. You're like, interesting. Tell me more. >> It was never like, "Bitch, you're not a. werewolf. You're just mentally ill. You. need to get some Prozac or whatever they. give you.". >> Well, you still you still got to be. discerning today. You know, I think I. say it's important.

>> well today you more so than ever because. of AI and because of bots and. >> you know I always say what's going on I. think it's important to have have an. open mind but not a gaping mind and uh. >> and there unfortunate use of terminology. but uh yes I I agree wholeheartedly. >> you know part of the reason for that and. you know this we we have a global. audience uh a lot of those people are. very hurt unresolved hurt they're right. on the edge they're very fragile. personalities Yeah, that's true.

>> And what they hear on the radio can be. interpreted in a million different ways. And it's. >> uh you know, I think there's. responsibility that comes with saying. things. If you're going to say it, make. sure it's accurate. >> Yeah. And your intention, like what are. you trying to do? Like I'm never trying. to hurt someone's feelings. If someone's. listening, I'm I want you to have a. better life. I want your life to be. better. You know, it's this is an. interesting thing about whether it's. bots or whether it's, you know, an. actual human being talking about stuff.

The way you approach life, um, and the. way the people around you approach life. is very contagious. And if you're doing. it in a very positive and a loving way, and a friendly way, and a communal way, that's contagious. It's really good. It's good for everybody. But if you're. bitter and shitty, it's bad for. everybody. what Art was was like very. friendly and and you know and fascinated. by all these things and he was a real. pro, you know what I mean? It's just.

like so when I did his show, it was like. one of the highlights of my life and I I. got to do the internet version. I never. got to do the radio version. >> So he was on the internet at the at a. time. I don't think he was maybe he was. on some radio stations, but mostly I. think it was an internet thing. But I. was like, "Yes, I'm on with Art Bell.". >> Mine was all by phone. It was all. landlines. Yeah, I was at my phone, too. I didn't Yeah, I did it from my house on. the internet, you know. I think I did. it, you know, with a headset or. something, but I did. >> Well, he paved the way and we're here. today. >> Well, he made interesting subjects, you.

know, like I remember when they were. talking about uh things like the face on. Mars and you're like, "What? That sounds. so kooky." And then you see pictures, you go, "Hey, man, what is that? Why. don't I hear about that in school?". >> Yeah. Well, we had Richard Hogland on. night after night after night after. night for weeks on end. when that came. out and actually that face on Mars had a. lot to do with my my career path. actually. >> So what is your take on all this? Because one of the things that happened. was with the face on Mars is the initial.

images were very grainy but fascinating. cuz it did kind of look like a face but. maybe even more remarkable because. sometimes there's faces like in the side. of a rock it looks like a face. More. remarkable was the the geometric pattern. of the base of it. Yeah. >> And so I I kind of dismissed that when. the second images came out. So this is. the original image. This is the original. image that freaked everybody out. They. were like, "Oh my god, there's a face on. Mars." And then they came up with these.

upgraded images and I was like, "Well, that's not a face. It's just weird. shadows and it's probably just a. mountain." But man, that's an odd shape. >> or that face has been doctorred. >> It could be true. Yeah. But also then I. looked at it and was like um that shape. is interesting like it it almost looks. unnatural. Then the new images from very. close to Sidonia that show a very clear. square. >> This one's nuts cuz this one is. >> somewhere in the neighborhood of between.

three it's plus 300 m. like they don't. know how much longer it is than 300 m, but it's the minimum size of this thing. is 300 m across and it's a fullon. square. >> Right angle, right angle, right? It's. like what the hell is that? >> Well, as pull that picture up, Jamie, >> as a geologist, I was fascinated when. Hogland uh first started talking about. what was happening here. So, >> what's up, Jamie? >> Which one? >> Oh, that one. Yeah. Yeah, the one that. we bring up all the time.

>> Well, which one? >> Oh, it don't matter. Some of them are. click on any of them. >> Some of them are doctorred though. >> Yeah, the non-docctored one. The one. next to it like right there. Look at. that. That's absolutely crazy. >> So, I don't know if you I'm very. familiar with this image. I don't know. if you can see with your mind's eye. You're looking the lower left. That's a. 90° angle. If you can see the rest of. the 90° angle up at the top and over at. the side, if you can trace out, that is. one massive right there. Yeah, now you. can see it. Yeah, the computer has. cleaned it up. Nature does not work in.

90° angles. So you're not going to get. wind erosion. Wind is called aolon. erosion. Fluial erosion is water. erosion. You're not going to get 90°. angles from from wind or water. So one. of the tenants in archaeology when you. see 90° angles, there's an. intentionality underlying that that. structure. If if it were a one-off, you. could say maybe it's a fluke. And it's. not. And this is on Mars. Jamie, I don't. know if you can do this. uh through. Freedom of Information, NASA had to. release all of the lunar images up.

through the Clementine mission and they. didn't want to do that. And when they. did release them, they end up pixeling. out a whole bunch of stuff which made it. look even even more obvious than than it. was. >> They're just [ __ ] with us at this. point. >> So, you got to say, what is it on on the. lunar surface that we paid for with our. tax dollars that we're not supposed to. be seeing? I mean, these were these were. uh tower structures. Do you can you see. the Clementine?

>> Yeah. I don't know which one. >> Are there any undocured unblurred. versions of it that some. >> I haven't seen them in the public. office? I haven't seen them in the. public domain, >> but you've seen them privately. >> No, but what I'm saying is what through. Freedom of Information, what. >> Have you ever seen the undoc forced to. release? Why in the world would they be. pixelating the images that are on there. that that actually make them look even. even more obvious than they are? So, so. what we're seeing, what Hogland was. talking about, what you're seeing on.

Mars is not happening in a vacuum. It's. happening, we're seeing the same thing. on on the lunar surface to varying. degrees. On Mars, there were. three-sided, four-sided, five-sided. pyramids. >> Look at the one in the upper right hand. corner. That's odd. >> It's the same thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that's very odd. So, here's here's. the kicker. We're sending the Viking. probes, Viking 1, Viking 2 in the 70s. went to Mars. 19,000 images were. captured from the orbiting uh part of.

the mission. The other craft landed on. the surface and I can just imagine being. on the surface seeing this. It's like. this. This thing is like a spider comes. down the cloud of dust and this little. tube pops up and some sticky dental. floss stuff shoots out and then they. reel it in to collect dirt and microbes. and they reel it into broth because. they're looking for evidence of life on. Mars and it's happening next to massive. monuments and geometric structures that.

are now dated about 50,000 years BP. before present. So they're looking for. microbes and signs of life next to the. most massive signs of life, you know, that that you could imagine. >> These, you said they're dated to 50,000. BC. These structures BP before present. Yeah. >> So how do they know that? >> Those were uh when the Sidonia mission, the that's the Sidonia scientists are. are estimating 50. >> 50,000 years. And the same with the the.

lunar. I'm hesitating. the Sidonian, how are. they estimating that if they're using. probes from that far away? >> They're using probes and I think. geologically they're they're using it's. relative dating. You know, they're. looking at strata and things like that. And from the lunar sites, you know, they. brought back samples and. >> yeah, I'm hesitating. I don't know how. deep you want to go with all this, but. the as deep as you want. Well, the you. know the samples that came back from the. lunar surface had traces of um of metals. that do not occur naturally in ma in.

nature naturally in nature. They are the. product of um you know advanced uh. machinery and. >> which what metals are these? >> These were metals that came back when. they they brought back from the Apollo. mission. Uh and I think they brought. back oh I remember the names. That's one. Jamie can look up what the metals were. that that came back and and they don't. know where those those metals. >> So, is this metals from Sidonia or is. this metals from the moon? >> This is from the lunar the lunar sites. in the crater.

>> So, the structures on the moon, how old. they they think they're the same age as. the structures? They're estimating. 50,000 BP. You know, there's a race for. the moon right now. And I'm fascinated. by this. You know, there was a time only. two nations on Earth had the money and. the technology to to go to the moon. It. was a former Soviet Union and former. United States because neither one's the. same country anymore. And um both those. countries have been so broke they.

haven't been able to do it. India and. China are now sending the probes to the. moon. We were going to the moon during the. cold war and it was it was a crazy time. It was actually a very civilized war. I. mean the governments were at war but the. scientists were still cooperating. and there was an agreement that we would. not share publicly what was found on the. lunar surface and Russia did the same. thing. China was never part of that. agreement. So China has said when they. land they're going to televise.

live what they find on the lunar surface. to the people of the earth. My sense, Joe, and this is this will lead into a. whole conversation we're going to have. here. I think they'll find uh the. archaeological structures that we know. are there that we've seen in the. photographs. the inscriptions on those. on those structures we're going to be. able to read because there there's a a. thinking that those structures are from. ETSs from another time. But the evidence.

suggests they're from us from a time in. our past, a cycle of civilization where. we did great and beautiful things by. working together until we destroyed one. another through war. And that we're. repeating that cycle again. So when they. is. >> that like drawing a lot of conclusions. Isn't there other possibilities for what. happened to them? >> Well, here's this is where I'm going. with this. When they when they see. what's on those temple walls, they're. they're going to see inscriptions in. languages that we already recognize and. and that will be the the smoking gun.

like. >> why do you think that? because this is. what the. this is what the the researchers who are. working on these projects right now. And. they're combining this with so many of. what the ancient texts have always told. us. And this is where, you know, it gets. into a really. uh a kind of a sticky conversation.

because it depends on how, you know, people interpret these things. I'm. excited for it for this reason. I This. is obviously no ordinary time in the. history of our world and and they're. pushing for war. We're on the the verge. of global war. What would it mean if we. found on the surface on the lunar. surface evidence of us humans from. another time uh leaving a message in our. own languages ununiform Sanskrit uh. those kinds of things it could be one of.

the most unifying factors right when. we're on on the the precipice of of war. >> I completely agree but we have to make a. lot of leaps in order for that to be. real like we haven't seen any writing so. why would they assume that there's a. bunch of different kinds of writing in. different languages. >> Actually, I think they have seen um. >> who's that? >> Well, when our space program. I think you've had guests on have talked. about this in the past, I think when our. space program was active, uh there were.

broadcasts. from the lunar surface uh that were cut. off and astronauts had seen things that. they were not allowed to see and not. allowed to share. >> That's what I heard. It sounds fun. It. sounds really fun. I want to believe. that. >> Well, and some of them are leaving this. world now and on their, >> you know, on their deathbed there. They. can't believe that this hasn't been made. made public already. So, there have. been, you know, recordings and videos. and things and I I think they're.

authentic, >> right? But this does it like we haven't. got boots on the ground in Sidonia, right? So, >> no, not not Sidon. Sidonia is Mars. >> Well, exactly. So, how are they seeing. these inscriptions? So you saying these. inscriptions are on the moon? >> Yeah, lunar surface. I'm sorry. I was. confused. >> I was confused. So these astronauts are. saying that on the surface of the moon. they saw writing. >> They've seen structures. >> Structures. >> Massive structures. >> But what about the writing there? >> They. [Laughter].

there were reports that they had seen. the writing, but we can't verify those. We can't verify those. >> Okay. So this is just uh pod talk. >> Well, you know, yes, >> kind of a little bit. A little bit. because we if there's no evidence at all. that there is not even an interview with. a guy who talks about when I was on the. moon, I saw writing. >> Well, then this is where you start going. into the ancient texts, >> okay, >> and the traditions that are.

relating our our relationship to. intelligences from from beyond this. world. >> Yes. There's a lot of that. >> and there's there's a lot of that. >> There's a lot of that in various. religions, too. It's it's very. fascinating. >> Well, this is this is what I think is. important there. It is in religions, but. I think you can break out their. historical text and there's religious. text. So, if you're reading the Bible, there's religion and history in the. Bible. If you're looking at Sumerian, uh, Aadian, um, Babylonian text from the.

Mesopotamian era, they're telling. similar stories. and and you've had. guests on talking about this where the. stories are similar, but the the. religion uh is not part of that. And so. I think what we're doing, we're kind of. beating around the bush to a deeper. conversation here. And that's why I've. hesitated a couple of times because I I. just don't want us to, you know, to um to get so far down one. side that. >> Oh, don't worry about that. That's what. this show's all about. Okay. All right.

>> This all We should call the show rabbit. holes. because people are always in the middle. of talking about one thing and they. pivot. It doesn't matter. >> Well, I think this is all tied into. disclosure and what's happening, the. reluctance to to have the full. disclosure, >> right? We've talked about that multiple. times. You I'm sure you were you in that. documentary, the age of disclosure. >> No. >> No. You've been in a lot of. documentaries. >> I have been in a lot. I've been in a lot. and a lot of what I've said was left on. the cutting room floor. >> always.

>> And there's a couple reasons for that. One thing I learned, Joe, and maybe. you've learned this as well. If you're. going to be in the documentary, ask if. you are on the front end of the filming. or the back end of the filming. >> What does that mean? >> Here's the reason. Are you one of the. early interviews or are you one of the. later interviews? Okay. >> And here here's the reason. >> They'll develop an arc in a story line. >> And if you're early on, they're going to. ask you questions to support that arc in. that story line. Five interviews down, somebody's going to come on and they're.

going to introduce something. and and. the producer going to say, "Oh, there's. a new arc and new storyline, and now. everything that you interviewed for uh. may not be relevant in that conversation. anymore." So, >> well, I don't think you can control. that. So, >> you can ask, you just ask, you say, "Where am I in the in the shooting. process?" And if if you're the first. one, say, you know, maybe come back and. and interview me. >> Yeah. This episode is brought to you by. Happy Dad Hard Seltzer. Most hard. beverages overcomplicate everything.

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alcohol, Orange County, California. So. >> a little bit later on, >> is it your belief that there was a. civilization on Mars that were us and. that we migrated to Earth and then. eventually populated Earth? Is that what. you're thinking? Or that we coexisted in. both places? >> I think we did. >> And it sounds so crazy to say and Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it does. It does. Well, you. you you probably travel in different. circles, but I mean to to the rational.

rational people, most people hear that. and they go, "What? There were people on. Mars?" But as time goes on and more and. more discoveries, we we find out just. about the structures that are on Earth. and how old they might be and the actual. age of Homo sapiens, like how old we. might actually be where a lot like they. found that skull in China the other day. that was uh they just have you seen. this? million-year-old homo sapien skull, but. apparently there's some debate about it. It's going they're going back and forth, but at the very least it's in the.

conversation of human beings possibly. have existed at least in this form for a. million years, which is kind of nuts. >> Yeah, I find that the other day. >> Oh, the found. >> Yeah, they found it in 1990. >> What? >> Yeah. >> What? I found it the other day. >> No, >> I read it on the BBC. >> I know. I was going through the story. yesterday. What happened was some team. reconstructed parts of that skull with. new methods that are now available. >> and they suggest that it could say that.

it was I think it was actually one of. those we've talked about the big head. the longe. >> oh right. >> it's one of those. that one's fascinating because that's a. larger human being. >> was it homo sapiens. >> yeah well they're. >> a branch from the denosovven so this. yeah this is the thing they. >> what is it called n. I get confused. I just saw I remember. long was the thing that they were saying. this. >> Julian. Okay, that is the other one. >> That's it. That's the big headed one. >> Uh I point I'm skeptical about those.

because they find one fragment and. there's a lot of interpretation that's. going on there. The the consensus has. been for a long time that we we. appeared. Uh I'm just going to preface. this by saying I'm a degreed geologist. I believe in evolution. Evolution is a. fact. I've seen it in the fossil record. for plants, animals, insects. Darwin's. theory of evolution breaks down when it. comes to humans. And it breaks down for. this reason. Uh we now can do what used.

to sound like science fiction. If you. ever saw the first Jurassic Park. >> where they pulled the DNA out of the the. fossilized remains of ancient forms of. life in the movie, they brought them. back to life. I to the best of my. knowledge, we haven't done that. What we. have done is we can extract that DNA. from the bone marrow of fossilized. remains of beings that we used to. believe were our ancestors. And what's. happening is, and this is a mind-blower, we know that we didn't descend from. Neanderthal. We shared the earth with.

them certainly and and some people have. some Neanderthal DNA because of that, but we did not descend from them. And we. didn't descend from many of the other. forms that you see on those traditional. trees. You know, you've got modern. humans here and all these all these. lines connecting, but if you look close. at the lines, most of them are broken. lines, Joe, because there's no solid. evidence. It's called inferred or. speculative relationships. Uh cycle I've. got I've I've got a picture of it here. if we want to see that. But but what.

they're showing is that um we showed up. about 200,000 years ago. Now, there's a. little evidence that may have been back. as as far as 300,000. But the the kicker is that we can now. look at the DNA and reverse engineer it. and say, "What did it take to get where. we are?" And what scientists are now. calling the the smoking gun, and there's. still a lot of controversy around this, is human chromosome number two. Human. chromosome number two is the second.

largest chromosome in in every cell of. the body. It's got about 1,200 or so. genes in that chromosome and just one of. them uh gene TBR number one is. responsible for most of the brain that. we have for our neoortex. So our. humanness, our empathy, sympathy, compassion, love, our cognitive. abilities, uh the mirror neurons, all. these kinds of things are because that. one gene. Well, where this gets really. interesting is where did chromosome 2.

come from? And scientists have the. answer but they don't like the answer. because chromosome 2 is the product of. of a fusion. Uh proceedings from. national academy of sciences the volume. genetics says this very clearly. We. conclude that the origin of human. chromosome 2 uh is the product of an. ancestral fusion. of telomeir to telomeir fusion of two.

pre-existing chromosomes. That does not. happen in nature. It can't happen in. nature. So here's here's what they're. saying. You got two fully. two fully formed fully functional. chromosomes and on the end are the the. telomeres uh that protect those. chromosomes when the cells divide. And that's why they're on the end. They. take the hit. It's a trauma in a cell. when those when those chromosomes are. pulled apart and some of the DNA doesn't.

make it. So nature puts telomeres on the. end to take the hit. So the good DNA. remains intact and that's why it's on. the ends. Human chromosome 2, those. telomeres are right in the middle of the. chromosome where they shouldn't be. because those chromosomes were fused. together. uh about 200,000 years ago when we. >> when we appeared. And if that was the. only one, you could say, well, maybe. it's a fluke. Chromosome number seven. I'm a musician when I I'm not doing what.

I'm doing now. Long before I was a a. researcher. And one of the things I. always used to to wonder about, you. know, we share 98% of our DNA with. chimpanzees, but you don't hear chimpanzees sing. You. know, you're never going to hear. chimpanzees sing Led Zeppelin Stairway. to Heaven. >> And you ask, well, why not? I mean, 98%. of the DNA is we share with them, but. it's because of of chromosome 7. And for. about 175 million years, this chromosome.

was stable. And all primates, all of. them, orangutang, gorilla, chimps, all. the primates, all of a sudden there was. this little this little switch of a. couple of genes that connected our. tongue and our brain and our jaw. And we. can sing and we can have complex speech. like no other form of life. It happened. 200,000 years ago. What are the odds of. that happening when chromosome 2. >> is is fusing? >> So. I' I've worked with scientists uh my.

whole life both in academia and in uh in. the corporations. I was a problem solver. for Fortune 500 companies uh through the. late 70s, 80s and and 90s. And one of. the things I've seen about scientists, it's it's fascinating. is that there is is one way of thinking. that says we take all the evidence and. we force it into a pre-existing model. like all the new discoveries trying to. force that into Darwin's theory of.

evolution or. we allow the new evidence to lead to the. story that it tells. And this is where. science is stuck right now because the. old theory Darwin's theory of evolution. is in trouble and it's the DNA is is the. reason it's in trouble. It's no longer. superficial or you know fossil evidence. I mean the DNA is telling the story. Uh. and the new story suggests at the very. least a scientist has to say there's. been some kind of intelligent.

intervention. And this is where science. gets stuck because science says it's not. equipped to talk about any kind of an. intelligent intervention. But that ties. in to everything that's happening now. You know, if we're going to talk about. ancient civilizations or if we're going. to talk about we've been here before, are we going to talk about. uh you know what it is that is the. disclosure? All of those kinds of. things. So science is kind of at a. crossroads right now. There.

there is something called the standard. model and that applies to evolution and. what the evidence suggests is that we. are the product of an intelligent and an. intentional act. Who or what that is, that's where it gets it can get sticky. Uh the universe, we've had physicists on. here and and really good physicists that. and some of them are not aware of some. of the new information that's come out. now. When I was in school back in the 50s, 60s and and 70s, I was taught that the.

universe is dead, inert just cold. Uh, and we happen to be lucky biology. You. know, that's that's kind of what they. used to teach. Now, physicists are. suggesting universe is alive. It is. intelligent and it's conscious. And one. of the reasons for this, and you can go. to the NASA website, and you can you can. look at some of these images. the James. Webb Space Telescope, they're showing. galaxies that are in proximity of of.

something that is dangerous to them, like an exploding, you know, whatever. And what they'll do is they'll create. jets from the center uh both directions, these jets that actually move them out. of the way. And I talk about I've got a. new book and I talk about that in the. new book. Uh so it's documented in in. the book. they actually move them to a. safer place. And you say, well, maybe. that's a fluke. It's a one-off. And now.

that they have found that, they found it. happens time and time again. >> So space itself is conscious in some. form. >> Conscious. Okay. Conscious and. intelligent. Those are two two very. different things. But that is a very. different story. If if our universe is. alive and intelligent and conscious and. we are the product of an intentional. act, we solve our problems, Joe. We. build our world based on the way we've. been taught to think about ourselves. We. use our resources. We um we apply our.

technology based on the way we've been. taught to think about ourselves. And we. have been taught that we are a flawed. form of life. That uh we are powerless victims of the. world around us. And because of that, this is going to lead into this whole. conversation. Because of that, we need a. savior. And that savior is being touted. as technology. So now we are living at. this time where we're being encouraged,

indoctrinated, coerced, mandated. sometimes to embrace. the technology outside of our bodies. because we have been conditioned to. believe that we are are a broken, flawed. form of life. And you're seeing this. play out in the AI conversation. you're. seeing it play out in um what's called. the transhuman movement, the the. intentional movement to replace our. humanness with computer chips in the. brain, chemicals in the blood, RFID.

chips under the skin. Uh and it's all. playing out right now, Joe. I mean, this. this can't go on for, you know, another. 20 years because it's moving too fast. This is the generation, right? And this. I'm very passionate about this. The. experts are saying unless we change our. trajectory right now, we very probably. are the last generation of pure humans. that the world will ever know. That by. 2032. when you go to the supermarket or go to.

the airport, the people you talk to will. be some hybrid, maybe some more and some. less, but will have some kind of. technology embedded into their into. their bodies. I was on a panel recently and I was with. a group of scientists and they said, 'Well, what's wrong with that? You know, isn't that the next step? Isn't that our. our natural step and and uh and our. evolution? And I said, no, it is not. And here's the reason. When we replace.

our natural biology with synthetics, our natural abilities begin to atrophy. Cells will, let me just give a perfect. example. Um, we used to be taught. when I was in school, I was taught that. we're we're born into this world with a. fixed number of brain cells. And every. every beer I drink in college, >> yeah, I remember that. >> All right, you're I'm I'm going to lose. some brain cells. Well, what I'm going. to say next is not a reason to drink the. beer. >> But what they found, there's a part of.

the human brain, it's the hippo campus, that is producing new brain cells until. the last breath we take on this this. earth. There's a catch and the catch. tells the story. If we do not use those new brain cells. in a meaningful way within about seven. to 10 days, the body says, "Oh, you. didn't use it, so you must not need it.". And those cells will atrophy and die. >> That makes sense because I always feel. dumber when I come back from vacation.

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system. And when we replace our natural. biology with these synthetics, this is exactly what's happening. Uh, and it we've been doing this long. enough. Virtual reality goggles, for. example, they've been around long. enough. >> Psychology magazine has published. article after article. If you take young. kids with malleable brains, parents are. busy. They want to entertain them. So, they sit them on the floor, put a. virtual VR goggle on, you know, three or. four hours a day and say, "Hey." So,

here's the kid. They're just sitting. there like this and they're seeing. images that they would never see in. their backyard and colors and sounds and. situations. But here's the thing, it's. all being done for them. They are not. using their imagination like you and I. did when we were kids. They're not using. their imagination. So, so now what's. happening is there are parts of their. brain that are atrophying. So, they are. uh diminished cognitive abilities, diminished language skills, diminished.

communication skills. But listen to. this. The visual cortex, which is what. they're using to watch everything, is. enlarged in the brain. the visual cortex. gets bigger because that's what. >> that's what's getting exercise. >> That's that's what they're doing now. because of epigenetics. All of that can. be reversed when the kids are put into a. healthy environment. Go outside and play. with your friends. >> You know, they're young enough that they. can reverse that, >> right? >> I spent a lot of time with shamans in um.

in the Yucatan and in um in Peru, Costa. Rica, places like that, and they they. found the same thing. uh the shamans. that maybe do. you know 5,000 IASa journeys because. they're leading groups and every time. the group does it they do it. So you. know they're doing that their visual. cortexes are are enlarged but their. other abilities are diminished. Now, if. you're a shaman in the jungle, maybe. that's no big deal. But if you're a.

software engineer in Silicon Valley. writing code for nuclear triggers and on. the weekends, you know, this is what. you're doing every weekend chronically, uh, it could be a problem. >> Have they done studies on that where. they've shown the declined ability or. cognitive function due to psychedelic. use? >> Uh, yes, they have. Um, >> any specific psychedelics? Iawaska was one and and I hesitate. because there are different different. kinds of of Iawaska different it's.

called a brew different kinds of of. brew. >> So is the idea that people are overdoing. it they're doing it too much. >> Well I want to be clear about this one. off I don't think there's any any. problem if it's done therapeutically. I'll give you a perfect example. I I was. speaking at a facility. I was invited as. a guest speaker to go with a cohort uh. through 7-day programs. and part of that program was Iawaska, part of it was breath work, part of it. was body work, part of it was natural uh. raw food, uh you know, the the whole.

gamut. And there was a woman and her. husband who came and they were both. healthy. They couldn't have a baby. They. couldn't conceive. Her eggs were good. His sperm was good. the doctors couldn't. figure it out and they said there's. there's something else going on. So, they came to to this program and the. woman and one one time she had a plant. medicine experience and in that. experience a being came to her and.

reached in and pulled her heart out and. it was all black and had stuff all over. it and and the being cleaned it off and. put it back in. did the same thing with. the womb. And she had had she had been. traumatized as a child, had been abused, uh had not resolved that apparently, uh. you know, on a deep emotional level. And. so there was a part of her that felt. that she wasn't worthy to conceive and. it was being it was shown up that way. And in her plant medicine experience,

this is what worked for her. And they. they conceived shortly. I think they. conceived that week while they were. there when they they did the numbers. backwards. Now, as a scientist, can you prove that. or you can say there's a high. correlation. between the time that an individual has. an experience like that and when, you. know, when they successfully conceive. But that's a one-off. And I I don't that. therapeutically, I don't think there's. anything. It's It's not going to be. harmful one-off. It's the chronic use.

>> for recreation. That's where we get into. >> Well, it seems to me the people that uh. I have encountered that use it maybe a. little bit too much uh they seem to have. a loss of a perception of how other. people see them. >> They they they get slippery like the. world gets slippery. They they act weird. and they don't know they're acting. weird. And it seems like there's like a. a a piece of the interface has been. damaged. If that makes any sense. It. makes total sense. And I knew no matter.

where we go in this conversation to. start with, it's going to bring us back. to to the same to the same place. And I. can show you exactly where that. slipperiness comes from in just a. moment, >> okay? >> When when we get there because and I'll. just I'll say it right now, there's a. part of us that doesn't live inside the. body, but that the body. tunes to. And I'm using that from an. engineering perspective that the body.

tunes to through the antenna of neurons. and DNA. And this is where it gets fascinating. conversation. Scientists now there a segment of. scientists are beginning to look at the. human body. as more than soft, sticky, wet, gooey, mushy, you know, cells and and skin. And. Joe, they're actually looking at us from. an IT perspective. Now, this sounds. crazy, but they're looking at the human. body from the perspective of information.

passing through and communicating with. the world around us. that we are such an advanced form of. life. We're not primitive computer chips. and wires and chemicals. We're more than. that. We're neurons and cell membranes. and ion potentials moving across cell. walls. And the ability for us to self-regulate. what is now being called soft. We are a.

soft technology. The ability to do that is the core of. all the ancient and cherished spiritual. traditions in the mystery schools. How. we go about regulating this this. technology. So now let let me just break. that down. Okay. A little bit. I. mentioned during the cold war it was a. very civilized war. I remember was 1980s. I was uh I was working I was civilian.

working on contract for the DoD and with. a civilian security I had a yellow. badge. It was not high secret clearance. It wasn't like top secret or anything. But we had access to research papers. that were coming in from the Soviet. Union. Even though we were at war on one. level, the scientists were still. cooperating. And the Soviets were the first that sent. these diagrams of a human cell as a. circuit diagram. Now, this is a. mind-blow. I mean, it it wasn't a.

metaphor. Literally, the every human. cell is a gated circuit. It's got an. input and output. It has transistor, the. the equivalent of transistors and. resistors and capacitors. Every cell. produces about 07 volts of electrical. potential. And you say, well, that's not. very much. And I agree. And then you do. the math. We got about 50 trillion cells. in the body. 50 trillion cells times 07 volts. It's. about three three and a half trillion.

volts of of electrical potential in the. human body. Every cell is the equivalent. of uh of a transistor. Every cell is the. equivalent of a resistor of a capacitor. We're photon emitters and there's a. whole science now about reading the. photon emissions from humans and we're. photon receivers and we store. information just like a computer chip. And uh this goes on blockchain. technology. Our DNA stores information. And the way that it's described is that.

it is secure, it's transparent, and it's. immutable and it's distributed. And. those are exactly the terms being used. for blockchain technology today because. blockchain technology in the world. actually mirrors the technology of human. DNA. We have a a record and you and I every. human body we have a record of every. successful genetic transaction. for our species. It is transparent. It's.

immutable. If you know how to look for. it, it's not hidden. It's secure and. it's distributed across all the nodes. that we call humans. This goes on and on. and on. The point is that we are the. only form of life that can consciously. self-regulate. all of this technology and apply it to. our healing, to our intuition, to our resilience, to change, to any of. these kinds of things. And the ability.

to do that is the secret that has been. hidden within the mystery schools, within the religions. Uh and it is the. reason for everything you're seeing. happening in the world today. There's a. concerted effort, Joe, to deny us our. ability to express our humanness. And part of that effort is replacing our. humanness with technology. So that's a.

big statement and I I know we'll. >> but that's fairly recent, right? The the. effort to stop people from expressing. their human humanness, that's not. recent. >> Well, so now now we're going to get to. the crux of it. Okay. >> So here's and I wasn't sure how we'd get. into this. I lost my mom to COVID uh just a couple. of years ago and right before she died, she looked at me and she said, "Greg, the world is going to hell in a.

handbasket.". And I always got the going to hell part. I never knew exactly what the handbasket. >> I never understood that phrase. What is. that phrase? >> I I don't know, but I knew what she. meant. And what she meant was it the. world looks scary to her, Joe, and it. does a lot of people. It looked like. things were happening for no reason, for. no apparent there was no parent. structure. It looked like things were. just popping off here and there out of. control. Look crazy. And she she said, you know, this isn't my world anymore.

Well, we are in the middle of a process. The process has a beginning. It has an. end. We're in it. The only way out of it. is to go through it. And that's why I'm. excited to have this conversation with. you. There two two parallel themes that. are playing out on our on our world. right now and we we can explore both of. them. One there is a concerted effort. for the first time in the history of our. world to remake the stated intent to. remake our world and to remake our.

bodies. Now we've never had the technology to do. that but we we do now. So that the. intent to remake the world and remake. our bodies, that's one conversation. The. other conversation, the best science of. the modern world, is showing us that. we're not what we've been told. We're so. much more than we've been led to. believe. And we're about to give our. humanness away to the technology before. we even know what it means to be human. if we remake our bodies. So this is and.

this is in this generation. this this. cannot drag on for you know 5 years 10. years because all the tech is being. pushed on us so quickly. I'm a systems. thinker and rather than get in to the. weeds of the Democrats and the. Republicans and liberals and. conservatives and which is all important. and we can have that conversation, but. there's something much much bigger. that's playing out here and it literally.

we're in a battle for our humanness and. if we don't claim our humanness, there. are powers and forces that will stop at. nothing to deny us our humanness. One of. the reasons they're denying it is what. we just said. Because it's through our. humanness that we have these. extraordinary potentials. that empower us as sovereign, critically. thinking, self-regulating human beings. And it's very difficult to play out the.

agendas that are proposed for the world. upon populations that are sovereign, critically thinking, self-regulating. human beings. So just like. >> well the problem seems to be power and. control. That's the problem. And the. only way to have power and control over. people is to limit their ability to. express themselves and then keep them at. each other's throats. >> And that that is those are two things. that are happening all the time with. with social media. People that manage.

social media are consistently trying to. limit the reach of people that have. voices or narratives that don't approve. that they don't approve of. And. >> yeah, >> ultimately what you're seeing in other. countries is moving to digital IDs. This. is just implemented in Europe and in the. UK. You're seeing in a lot of places. where you're going to have to need that. to work and vote and travel and. >> and it'll be even more of a constriction. on your ability to express yourself. Particularly when you think about the.

UK, which has had more than 12,000. arrests for very mild social media. posts. >> Isn't that crazy? I mean, I can't. believe it. I I've been watching this. stuff play out. >> Fascinating. And the the the fact that. the our mainstream media is relatively. silent on this is insane. You're you're. seeing a a complete total attack on one. of the most fundamental principles of. the Western world, which is your ability. to express yourself and your ability to.

call out that you think that the. policies that are being implemented in. your country are destructive. That. that's people have always been able to. do that. These people are not calling. for violence. They're not they're being. arrested for wild things. People are. being arrested for liking posts. Y. >> they're being arrest some people were in. investigated for viewing posts. >> 12,000 people arrested by the police in. the UK, the same place that just. implemented digital ID. I mean, this is. an Orwell nightmare coming to life right.

in front of our face. And no one's. flinching. No one in America is freaking. out about what's happening in the UK at. all. I mean, you get people online that. are kind of freaked out by it, but. they're way more freaked out by. nonsensical things like whether or not. what Jimmy Kimmel said in his monologue. was offensive. >> They'll they'll go to the ends of the. earth to fight that. Like, >> well, they're programmed. That's the. programming. >> Well, it's easy. That's a that's a. simple thing and it doesn't freak you.

out. Like, if you could get Jimmy Kimmel. canceled, [ __ ] him. If you could do. that, like you have some power. You you. have power. But what you really don't if. you look at what's going on like in the. UK, what what they're what they're. learning over there is that they are in. a tyrannical government and it's slowly. but surely. It's got it's got its back. It's got the hooks in. It's putting the. rear naked choke in. It's got them. locked up. They've got to do something. about that. >> Why do you think that's happening? >> Why? Because of what we talked about. Power. power and control in resources.

And a very limited amount of people are. controlling a a huge amount of people. A. limited amount of people with fantastic. access to resources and the ability for. the first time in human history where. you have individuals that are in charge. of companies that are they can shift the. entire narrative of the world. So. they're doing it through these tech. companies for the first time ever. Totally unanticipated. 20 years ago. didn't exist. So I'm saying for the. first time the tech allows for the.

remaking of our humanness. >> Well, it allows for new methods of. control and resource extraction. And we. found out that data itself is a. fantastic resource and worth billions. and billions of dollars. So some of the. richest companies that have ever. existed. They're data companies now. That that's kind of nuts and that's like. a we miss that. But this is all the same. thing that happens with kings and with. emperors. It's control. You got to limit. the people's ability to rebel. Limit.

their ability to gather resources. Keep. them at each other's throats. ideologically. Keep them fighting over. the dumbest [ __ ] possible, including the. color of their skin. Fight over. everything. What what what gods you. believe in, what foods you eat, what. [ __ ] computer you use. Keep them. fighting over everything. And then get. social media bots to continue that fight. going all day long. Meanwhile, closer. and closer and closer to total control. of the population where they're even. openly stating it. Hillary Clinton said.

in an interview, "If we lose if we we. can't control social media, we lose. control.". >> Yeah. >> Like, yeah, you're not supposed to have. control over other human beings. Yeah. You're going to lose the thing you're. not supposed to have. An elected. official is supposed to be a. representative for the people. You're. supposed to be a person who's a public. servant where you go out and you do this. incredibly moral and ethical and. beautiful thing where you sacrifice your.

time for the betterment of your. community and your society instead of. just a means of extracting fantastic. wealth that is totally unprecedented and. that shouldn't exist in the first place. You shouldn't be able to take that. [ __ ] job and then immediately go and. start working for some Fortune 500. company making billions of dollars. Like. that's crazy if you're a a government. employee in involved in any regulatory. fashion and then you go and work for the. very industry you were regulating. Or if. you're a person who runs for office and.

you get in office and then all of a. sudden you're worth hundreds of millions. of dollars when your salary is $170,000. a year. Like it's it's real obvious. what's going on. It's just wealth. extraction. And the way that the way to. do that is with control. You have to. have control over people and you have to. be able to censor them because you're. going to call that [ __ ] out. >> Everything you Yes. And everything. you're talking about is part of a bigger. picture. >> So how deep you want to go? >> All the way to the bottom. >> So do but do you think the bigger. picture is natural? Like these are.

natural patterns that human beings. follow when they get power and control. over people because that that does seem. to be the case. It's just on a much. grander scale. Now, >> I think what you're talking about, power. and control, lust and greed, there are. individuals that have a propensity for. those things that are going to fall into. those roles very easily. They're pawns. They don't even know that they are. supporting something much darker than. >> What do you think is the source of this.

much darker threat? >> Okay. So, this will open the door to. answering Sidonia. >> and everything else that we've done. So, we're not we're not totally beating. around the bush. We're going to bring. this all together. >> I wasn't sure how deep you want to go. with this, Joe. And and what I'll say is. I'm going to acknowledge things we're. talking about for a lot of people is a. very different way of thinking. And it. certainly is different from what I was. conditioned. I was born and raised in. northern Missouri, a rural community. um. my first degree is in geology and.

computer science. This a very different. way of thinking and it's where the. evidence is leading us. What the our most ancient and cherished. texts whether you're talking about. religion or or not religion, they say that we are born into uh an. ancient struggle that began long before. we ever got here. uh and for lack of a better term and. this is where words.

words are powerful and they carry a lot. of baggage. It's it's a struggle between. good and evil. All right, we're born. into the struggle between good and evil. It's not a religious struggle. When we talk about evil, I think it's important to quantify what. that evil is. And to do that, we have to. talk about who we are. There's something. inside of us, Joe. And this is where. science is stuck. This is where science. and spirituality come together in a. beautiful way. And this is where.

language may fail me. So I'm going to do. my best. There is something inside of us. that is so rare and so precious and so. ancient and sacred and powerful and. beautiful that there are forces that. have in history and are currently. working to to deny us access to this. force. The force is the reason for the. ancient texts, the spiritual traditions.

And there there's two ways that we we. can have this conversation. You can say we can do it from a biblical. perspective and talk about angels and. demons. We could do it from a high-tech. perspective and talk about an advanced. civilization from another world in. another time. and you're talking about. the same thing, exactly the same. conversation. as to our origin. Uh there was an. intentional intervention that created. this. Biblical traditions are giving us. one perspective.

The Mesopotamian texts are telling us. that we are the product of the blood of. of a higher form of life. And now the. archaeological sites are revealing that. those what's reported in those Sumerian. texts actually existed. Uh I I was a. member back in the 90s. >> What specifically did they report in. those? >> Well, archaeologically. >> the Well, let me say I I was a in the. 90s I was a member of an organization. called BAR, Biblical Archaeology Review.

And the idea is that you you follow the. in the the the instructions in the text. and you go someplace and you dig and. there is what the text is talking about. from 3,000 years ago. So they use that. to try to validate the events, not not. the religiosity, but the events in the. Mesopotamian texts when we talk about. the king's list. you've had guests on. that have talked about the the king's. list um in Sumeriia that talks it.

literally says when when the kingship. descended from the heavens to the earth. and then it gives the list of the kings. uh and then there was another flood and. they evacuated and they came back and. then they created humans and it it. actually lines up datewise with the 200. 250,000 years of when we were created. but there's no religion involved. Um, so. two different languages. Are we talking. about an advanced civilization.

uh and our relationship to them a long. time ago? Are we talking about angels. and demons from a long time ago? Are we. talking about uh beings with uh with. wings in the religious tradition or or. when you look at the Samrian traditions, the kings all had wings as well, >> right? >> But they're telling the same story. And. what the story is is that we. are an intent. We're the product of an. intentional act and we were imbued with. a force that was greater even than those. who created us and there has been an.

effort from that time to deny us that. force. >> Well, how do you know that our force is. greater than those that created us? >> I don't know this. >> Where are you getting that from? >> That is from if you're familiar with the. Gnostic texts uh in the Gnostic texts. the. so the the Dead Sea Scrolls were. discovered in 1946 47. The oldest. unedited records of the Old Testament. push push the date back a thousand. years. The in 45 and 46.

the oldest records of the New Testament. and the texts that were excluded were. discovered in the little village along. the Nile in Egypt called Nag Hamadi. Uh. it's can I just tell it's a crazy story. >> Sure. There's not much firewood. uh along the Nile in Egypt. And there. was a a woman uh who needed kindling to. feed her family, to build the fires, to. feed her family and heat their home. And. she she told her son, "Go find some.

kindling." And he was very resourceful, no trees. So he found an old tomb. And. in the tomb were clay voses. And he. opened those voses and there were uh. documents that were very dry and brittle. and made great kindling. >> Oh no. And we don't know how many were. lost uh before the authorities were. noted, but right now there are 13 bound. >> They they cooked a bunch of them. >> They burned they used them for fuel. >> Oh my god. >> But but so here but here's here's what's. left. What's left? There were uh 13.

bound books representing over 50 texts. They were the oldest records of the New. Testament. Uh, and they were the records. that were excluded by the the Catholic. Church. >> Are there any images of these books? >> Yeah. >> Jamie, can you find those? >> I've got them on my. >> I brought this for you. >> All right. Look at them. But. >> yeah, so there's there's the 13 uh bound. texts. So among these were things like.

the gospel of Thomas which is considered. the second most heretical book uh in the. Nagamadi library. There's the gospel of. John also called the secret book of John. also called the apocryphan of John which. is considered the first most heretical. book. Uh there are books from Gnostic. women. Thunder perfect mind is a book by. a gnostic woman that's in there. The. Gospel of James is in there. So these. these and I'll be very clear uh if you.

had Wes Huff here who I know you've had. before and I think he's he's brilliant. scholar uh he would say that these are. not accepted. um because of they're not accepted by. the church because of dating and because. of you know there's a lot of reasons but. there's a lot of new research showing. that. uh that these are worthy of um of. exploring. uh with the same validity that we give.

to the other texts that we're. >> What are they dated to? >> The they're dated the late 1st early. second century somewhere right around. there. some some of them later. Um the. the uh the book of John, the the secret. book of John, what makes it so. exceptional is that he believes he said. that it was dictated to him by uh Jesus. of Nazareth after his crucifixion. So it.

wasn't before, it came after. But the. gospel of Thomas, the gospel of Thomas. is one of the probably the most. controversial. It's 114. sayings. um. that were recorded by uh by Thomas and. the book says Ditimus Thomas was uh was. the name and it's almost like it it's. different from all the other books in. that it is each saying is is a teaching. unto itself. and.

what he is saying are. again I'm hesitating because we're. covering so much ground here. What. Yeshua was his name. What he was. teaching was so profound for his time. There were outer teachings and inner. teachings. The outer teachings were for. the masses. And it's primarily what you. see in the gospels. The inner teachings. were for those initiates that could. really understand what it was he was. saying. And that's what the gospel of.

Thomas uh appears to be. It did come. from a later time. I don't think it. invalidates that uh uh you know what it. is that that is being said in there. >> What is it being said that's so. controversial? >> Well, there's 114 sayings in there, but. the bottom line and this is one I think. that is probably one of the most. well-known where he says what you have. what you bring forth from within you. will save you and what you don't bring. forth from within you will destroy you. He's saying there's a power inside of us. that has to be expressed. And these.

texts are all about how we awaken that. that power. Okay? So the name I'm going. to use a word and then I'll I'll define. it. The name that is given to that power. traditionally is called divinity. But it. has nothing to do with religion. So that. association is made because there are. schools of divinity that make that and. they're they're great schools. They do. great things. But the contemporary. definition of divinity, I I love this. The ability to transcend perceived. limitations and that's it. So the.

ability tr to transcend to become more. than perceived. Joe, you and I, our listeners, we are we. are living limits that probably aren't. even real. We're living within limits. that we have been indoctrinated to. accept about ourselves. Divinity is our. ability to become the best version of. ourselves. expressions of divinity, imagination. I mean, no other form of. life can do what we do with imagination.

I want to talk about that in just a. moment. It's more than just a picture in. your mind. An an image in the mind is. setting in motion a cascade of chemical. effects in the human body that literally. change us. We are changed in the. presence of the right kind of. imagination. And the books tell us how. how to do that. So imagination, creativity, innovation, empathy, sympathy, love, compassion, healing, forgiveness, these are expressions of human divinity. It's what sets us apart from all our.

forms of life and makes us such powerful. beings. the purpose of evil. And this might be. the most important thing that that we. say today because it's a nebulous. concept, good and evil, until until you. give it a benchmark. The purpose of evil is to deny human. divinity. The purpose of evil is to deny. us our greatest expressions, imagination, creativity, the ability to.

communicate and share ideas, empathy, sympathy, self-healing, all of those. things. So in a very real sense, Joe, anything that denies those things is an. expression of evil. So when we find that. algorithms are denying us the ability to. communicate our ideas from this. perspective, that's an expression of. evil. When we find we put something into. our bodies that prevents us from healing. our own bodies, that is an expression of. evil. What the Gnostic texts are saying.

is that we are in a process that has a. beginning and an end. And the purpose of. the process is to deny humankind. our own humanness that has been playing. out over eons. And now the technology is. allowing it to play out to a greater. degree because things like AI, things. like misused, I'm not anti- AI, it's how. it's used, uh things like computer chips. in the brain, computer brain interface,

all these things. What they're doing, Joe, is they are denying our humanness. Use it or lose it. We've if we're using. technology in place of our imagination, for example, and the psychology journals. are are full of articles about this. People that chronically use artists, musicians. My wife is a voting member of the. Grammys, and we just had this. conversation. Uh you've got musicians who go to chat.

GPT and say hey write me a song and now. put some music to that song and now you. enter it with a Grammys and you are. competing against a human who has. labored 30 or or so years to master. their voice and and an instrument and. you say is that fair? Well they're. they're struggling with that right now. So these are all expressions of of. anything that denies our humanness. uh from that perspective is an.

expression of evil. Who is doing that? That is what those texts are all about. That's what the texts are are are. talking to us about. >> Here's an interesting uh this is Gospel. of Thomas 11:14. This how it ends. Simon. Peter said to them, "Let Mary go away. from us, for women are not worthy of. life." Jesus said, "Look, I will draw. her in so as to make her male so that. she too may become a living male spirit. similar to you. But I say to you, every.

woman who makes herself male will enter. the kingdom of heaven.". >> Okay. >> So, what they're what is going on pull. >> I'm just pull up I'm not sure why you. chose that one. I I just. >> let me Can you pull up number six? >> That's a very interesting part. >> We can talk about it because he it's in. code. He and he's talking about the the. marriage the sacred marriage of. masculine and feminine. Uh and it's when. you he said when you make the two one. and the inside like the outside then you. will say the mountain move and the.

mountain will move. And what he's. talking about is is. honoring the masculine and the feminine. And that's more than just a metaphor. I. mean there's a whole thing that goes. with that. Can you bring up uh saying. number 70? >> 70. Sure. >> Or number 10. >> Oh, start 70. >> H. So 70 says Jesus says if you bring it. into being within you, then that which.

you have will save you. If you do not. have it within you, then that which you. do not have within you will kill you. Jesus says, "I will destroy this house. and no one will be able to build it. again.". >> This is the thing. He's in the the. Christian doctrine, we're led to believe. that he was a peacemaker. And what it. says very clearly in the Gospel of. Thomas, he he says, and if you go to the. early. >> as far as when I was looking it up, this. uh the Catholics say that some of this.

stuff Jesus did say, >> oh, he said it. They. >> some of it he did not say, and some of. it's flatout made up. They have a. problem with the with the dating, but. they also have a problem. It doesn't. support the narrative that was this is. what so there were two councils. There. was a council of Carthage and the. council of Naa. Uh and this is where. they excluded these documents, but they. had been accepted prior to that just. just like uh Enoch. You've had people in. here talk about the book of Enoch and. that was accepted before these as well. >> So these were what these are, they're.

inner teachings not meant for the. masses. um based upon the the concepts. that he's sharing and this is where he's. saying there is something inside of us. and the rest of the gospels this is what. Philip and Thomas are talking about is. that we are imbued with this force given. to no other form of life it's a a light. uh it is an intelligence and when we are. fully empowered in in this intelligence.

we are sovereign critically thinking. beings and we are no longer susceptible. to and vulnerable to the agendas and the. ideas of others and and there are. multiple agendas that are out there. So. from this time and now if when you go to. the the Samrian text they say the same. thing. They're saying when they beheld. what it was they created it had more. light more power than those that created. it. Then you get into the whole.

conversation Genesis, you know, where it. says God created. man. But that's a translation error. because the original texts say Elohim. and Alohim is a plural. Some people will. say it's not. There's exceptions to. that. But it says Alohim. said, "Let us create man in our image.". So even if Alohim is not plural, us. implies more than one God. So the point.

of all of this and we can drill down. into the weeds and all of these, but it. appears that there was a collective of. intelligence. that is responsible for for us. Okay, that's not science. That's the text. Now. you look at the science. The DNA is. telling us that 200,000 years ago there. were mutations that cannot happen in. nature that imbued us with the ability. to communicate with one another and all.

of these things that we're that we're. talking about. And almost from the. moment that we were imbued with these. things, there was an attempt to deny us. our power. And that attempt continues. today. So I think a good case can be. made. Everything you're seeing happen in. the world. It's all important. The wars, uh, the economies, all the conversation. of climate, it's all important. And. there's a level where it has become a.

distraction to keep us spun up and in. fear so that we because we're so close, Joe, we're so close as a species to. awakening this fundamental force within. us. The closer we get to that awakening, the. more chaos you see in the world to keep. us distracted. And I'll give you a. perfect. >> what is causing this awakening? >> I think consciousness is um So here. >> So is this the battle that we have to. fight though? Is this like because it. seems like there's always a pull and a.

push, >> right? >> I think it's it's a battle um or a. struggle depending on on what language. you want to use. There's a deeper conversation and I. think we're going to get to this in in a. minute, but what I I want to go back. I. said I would I would elaborate on this. There's a part of us that doesn't live. in our bodies. Science is struggling. with this, but there's a scientific. experiment. I've got it here, but if you. can bring it up, so let me just fine. >> Let me just tell you about it.

Well, I labeled each one and I've got a. key sheet here, >> but you'll be able to see it when it's. on there. So, here, this is a. mindblower. If you haven't heard this, and if you have, let me know. I I don't. want to be redundant, but. >> Well, tell everybody else if I have. >> Okay. So, 2022. Well, let me ask this. >> Okay. >> Do you remember when you were a kid a. game called Pong? >> Pong? Like. >> Pong was It came I think it came out in. 72. And it was so primitive, Joe. It It's.

like a. >> Sure, I remember. >> It's like a tennis game on a screen, >> but computers were new and we'd never. seen anything like I would go to work. Uh I I was in a secure area, DoD working. on the Peacekeeper Missile Project after. lunch. Guys would come in on their CRT. screens and they'd be mesmerized. They. couldn't help it. They were mesmerized. with this game of pong. This little boom. boom boom boom. And that's all it was. Okay. So, the point is Pong was perver.

per pervasive in in our culture. Everybody knew what it was. All right. 2022 scientists did an experiment and. I've got it uh he can find it or I've. got it on that. Uh you can bring it up. if you want to see it. I actually pong. is on there. If you bring up the Pong. file, >> this is part of the problem with the. PowerPoint stuff. This this kind of. stuff happens. I don't think that's what. you intended to show. Is it? >> Well, you can see you can see part of. it, >> but that's. >> Well, can you back up? No, it's. >> back a couple of slides and there's. >> there is the there it is right there.

And you should be able to is it going to. animate it for us? >> Well, I think most how pong works. >> Okay, there it is. >> And I used to have it when I was. >> I'm trying to say the thing you were. trying to get me to show, which is the. next slide, is it's it's got an error in. the. >> Well, so here so here's what they did. 2022 scientists took neurons, but there was no human attached, and. they put them into a petri dish to keep. them alive, and they hooked up the. neurons to a computer chip. So now. you've got a a a biology technology.

interface. All right? So the neurons are. hooked up to a chip. The chip was put. into a computer that was loaded with. pong. The neurons began playing the game. of pong. Even though there was no human. attached to the neurons and the longer. they played, the better they got. They. were actually learning how to play pong. better. And now the scientists are. struggling with a question. How does a.

neuron not attached to a human in a. petri dish know how to play pong? Where. are the instructions? Okay. So, I. remember when I was a kid, Einstein had. died and they had his brain. thinsectioned in uh the University of. Kansas because they wanted to see what. made his brain different from everybody. else. And it looked pretty much like. everybody else's with one exception. He. had a whole lot of folds in his brain.

So, when you stretch those folds out, he. had more surface area. He had more. neurons. So they're thinking, but there was E=. MC² wasn't in the brain. All right. So. now they're looking at those neurons. They're saying, "Where's the. instructions for Pong?" You know, and. they're trying to figure out where it. is. Well, here's what this experiment is. telling us. The instructions aren't in. the neurons. The neurons are a. biological antenna, a molecular antenna. that tune to the place in the field.

where pong is pervasive. All right. the. field. There was a time when the field. was a metaphor. You know, uh. metaphysical people, spiritual people, you say, "Oh yeah, you know, it's it's. out in the field." July 4th, uh of 2012, the CERN Superconducting Super Collider. made an announcement that they had. discovered a field that had been. predicted by Peter Higs, the physicist.

Peter Higs, >> Higs Bosan. And well, they found the. Higs Bosan and what that implied was. that there was a field supporting the. Bosan and now it's accepted science. They say, "Oh yeah, there there's a. field." So, but here's the thing. I was. at a conference recently. Here's what. scientists are doing. This is a hoot. They're still saying this. They're. saying, "Oh yeah, there's a field out. there that connects everything." And. their hands are doing this. The field's. not out there. We're the field. Okay. 50. trillion cells in the human body. Every.

one of those cells has about a 100red. trillion atoms emerging from the field. and collapsing into the field. Right. now, you and I, we're constantly the the. atoms in our bodies are emerging and. collapsing into that field. We are the. field and that is what makes us so. powerful. This is why we can heal our. bodies almost instantaneously when we. know how to access. this part of ourselves because we hold.

the blueprint that tells those atoms. how to express when they come into the. body. So if you got something you don't. like in your body, what you do is you. are using the gift of imagination to. create a new blueprint for that to come. into. And that sounds crazy to some. people and there's a lot of science. that's struggling with this. But when. you get into the quantum world, you get. into the fact that the Higs field. exists, you get in to the fact that. imagination.

in the mirror neurons of the human. brain, mirror neurons were only. discovered in 2004. And the the thing about mirror neurons. is they don't know the difference. between watching an experience and. having an experience. So for example, you can be on the couch on a Sunday. afternoon watching the Joe Rogan show. with an exciting guest. You're just. laying there, but your heart might be. racing and your body's persspiring your. muscle or maybe you're watching soccer.

because your neurons don't know the. difference between watching and having. the experience. This is why porn is so. addictive because the mirror neurons. don't know the difference between having. and and witnessing the experience. They're going to kick up the same. addictive chemicals, the same dopamine, the same uh levels of of adrenaline, watching the image that they are having. the image. Here's where our power comes. from. Because the image can be imagined.

When we are able to hold an image of. ourselves fully enabled, fully. capacitated, fully healed, fully. awakened, hold that image. What we're actually. doing is we're programming the body. And. this is something shamans know this. And. I live in northern New Mexico. Our. indigenous healers all know this. I. spent a lot of time in Peru in the. Andes. The uh the Andian Peruvians, they. use different language. So, so the point of all of this is we're.

not what we've been told and we're so. much more than we've been led to. believe. And it is the attempt to deny. that power that is driving so much of. what we're seeing happening in in our. world today. And. >> so you think the motivation of that. attempt is evil? >> Yes. >> That that's an actual force that people. are giving into. That's why they're. enacting all these levels of control and. that's why they're suppressing people, releasing bots on the internet. It's. literally an expression of evil.

>> Evil evil is not dark, not necessarily. darkness. A lot of people confuse these. Darkness is simply a polar force. We. >> we live in a binary world. We've got to. have light and dark, plus and minus, boys and girls. You know, we live in it. The darkness is a passive polarity. Evil. has an active stated purpose. And the. purpose of evil has always been, whether. you're looking at those ancient texts or. the Sumerian texts, uh, Mesopotamian. text, it's always been to deny,

to deny us the greatest expressions of. our humanness. And now we live in a. time, this is no ordinary time in. history there. None of this is happening. in a vacuum. We're barreling down the. road toward this convergence of so many. natural cycles and the date 2030 that. has been identified by the United. Nations, by the WF, by a number of. corporations, by Ray Kerszswhile. in terms of AI implementation. They're.

all looking at 2030. And what you're. seeing are the powers and the forces of. the world jockeying to be in the best. position. when this date is upon us. And I'm not. saying it's like January 1st, 2030, but. the United Nations, for example, they've. got, and again, I don't know if I'm. being redundant here, but they've got uh. the UN SDG 2030, UN United Nations. sustainable development goals they want. implemented by the year 2030. They're. not getting much traction because.

they're not good ideas. Uh the goals, if. you read them on the outside, Joe, they're they're deceptively beautiful. Who doesn't want. food security? Who doesn't want the end. of poverty? Who doesn't want the end of. disease? Now, you look at the fine. print. How will they achieve those. goals? And that's where it gets very. concerning, right? They haven't had much. traction because the ide. the way to get there is concerning. They're not good ideas. Now, we look at.

World Economic Forum. I know you've had. people talking about WEF. They've been. around since 1971. They meet once a year in Davos. You. know, they talk about what they would. like the world to look like and they. have every right to do that. Uh some of. their ideas are very dystopian in my. opinion. things like uh you will own. nothing and be happy. You know, we've. heard that. >> Yeah. >> Or the the great reset uh is the term. that they coined or the fourth.

industrial revolution. Um they haven't gotten much traction, but they recognized that their goals. were similar to the UN. So in 2019, these two organizations joined forces. They signed a formal document. So now. the WF ideas. are have traction through the UN uh. implementation of these sustainable. development goals and uh the goals can. be beautiful. I'm not against the goals. at all. It's how we go about do we honor.

ourselves and do we honor our humanness. as we achieve those goals and there are. very different ideas about what you know. what it is that means. I have a video. clip uh WEF. Do do you see that on. there? Can we bring that video clip up. because in one sentence. uh Klaus Schwab states the the goal for. the fourth industrial revolution and if. he doesn't have I just want you to hear. it in his voice. He said the goal is the.

merging of the natural world, the. digital world and the biological world, our biological identity. He said, "The. goal of this fourth industrial. revolution is to merge all of those into. this massive. database run by AI." And uh here. >> put some heads. >> You can hear it.

>> It should be the next. >> It's at the end. What what the fourth. industrial revolution will lead to is a. fusion of our physical, our digital and. our biological. identities. >> Did you hear how he paused before he. said biological? >> Yeah. >> Did you catch that? So, he's saying, "Okay, the physical world's already. tokenized. We already we have a digital.

ID for every elephant, all the forests, the oceans, all of the the energy. resources. That's that's already. tokenized. The digital world is already digital. So. that's tokenized. Then there's a pause. He said, and of course our biological. identities because he knows the. implication of what he's saying. That's. us. And right now we are not fully. implemented in into that system. But. that statement and the reason I wanted. to share that that is what's driving. everything you're seeing happening in.

the world. What all the the the. implementation of the technology that. statement is driving the implementation. of that technology. The AI uh the way. that we are being indoctrinated to. accept it first accept it in our lives. and then develop a dependency upon that. AI. Ultimately, there will be some kind. of compliance. We'll be told we need to. use the AI in order to, you know,

accomplish certain things, do our. banking or, you know, whatever it is. It's all being driven by AI. That. sentence is a very very powerful. sentence. He's. >> also couldn't have been delivered by. someone who looks more like a villain in. a movie. >> or or sounds like one. Well, are you. familiar you're familiar with Claus. Schwab, by the way? >> Oh, yeah. We have a photo of him in the. bathroom where he was wearing that crazy. Darth Vader outfit. >> I saw that in the bathroom and I. It was dark in the bathroom. >> Such an insane photo. Like, who the hell. would dress like that? Who would say the. things that that guy Jamie, find that.

photo, please. Who would say the things. that that guy has said like that with. that accent and dress this way? >> Well, this is exactly Well, this is this. is why we're having this conversation, Joe. You know, I'm I'm advocating for. our humanness. Uh I believe we are. >> There it is. Like, what what are you. wearing, bro? Like, don't go out dressed. like that. When you talk like that, when. you talk like that, you got to wear. suits and you got to look real normal. >> What are the What are the emblems? What. are the emblems?

>> At an event where everyone was wearing. that. >> Yeah, whatever. Don't wear it. If you. talk like Darth Vader, don't wear it. >> But see, all of this is happening from. people. >> that crazy out there. >> This is happening from people that. >> that are afraid. of our humanist. They don't know what it. means to be human. They're afraid of. dying. The transhumanists are afraid of. dying, so they want to live forever. >> Right. Well, they're also extremely. wealthy and they want to control the. masses. And the best way to control the. masses, this is the control is doing it. this way. >> There is a fundamental, it's a very.

ancient, if you don't know this, the. world looks like it's spinning out of. control for no reason. When you begin, and you don't have to think about it. every day, but when you look at the big. picture and you can see there's a. fundamental struggle between if you want. to use the language good and evil, that. it's a charged language and I know that. and and that's the language that we're. using. But the the denial of our human. potential. And so the the best way what. do we do about that is if the purpose of. the evil is to deny our humanness and.

our divinity, we triumph by living the. best version of ourselves. We triumph by. imagining freely and sharing ideas and. creating and and don't be afraid to have. empathy and sympathy and compassion and. and and now you have a benchmark because. when something comes up on social media. or something we're asked to do something. we say well I don't know if this is a. good thing or not you ask yourself does. it affirm or does it deny my humanness. does it affirm or deny my ability to.

imagine to create to love to forgive. empathy sympathy compassion to share. ideas, deep intuition, does it affirm or. deny those? And then that'll tell you. what you need to know. What you choose. after that is up to the individual, but. it won't be a blind choice. And I think. this is this is up for us right now. Be. okay. So now evil in technology and the. algorithms of social media that are. designed to break the social bonds that.

have always held us together as. communities. And you know this this. began right around 2011 I think was the. Occupy movement and it pitted the rich. against the poor 99% against 1%. That's. a very real issue and we Joe we could. have used that and and come to the table. and had a conversation and a healing. that would bring us closer together as a. society but it was weaponized to drive. us apart. And then the same thing. happened. men against women, blacks.

against whites, Christians against. Muslims, Jews against Muslims. Now it's. male against female, and the genders are. being blurred. All of this by design, breaking the social bonds that hold. families and communities and societies. together because we're more vulnerable. when we lose these these bonds. and the. the algorithms that do this. I mean, I'm. fas as a computer scientist, I'm I'm. fascinated by this. We have what are.

called. information silos. So, say there's uh parents and their. kids and the mom goes to work and you. know, she goes on YouTube and and. queries a bunch of stuff and you know. what happens is the the algorithm just. starts feeding you. I mean, it's. everywhere. You're feeding one. perspective of what it is that you've. just queried. Meanwhile, dad's at work. He's doing the. same thing. His algorithm has given him.

a separate perspective. The kids are. doing the same thing. And now they meet. at the family dinner table. And. everybody believes that their story is. the real story. It's the right. It's the. true story. That breaks the social. bonds. And we're seeing this happen. We're seeing this happen in our society. And you know there is a it's following. an algorithm that's very easy. Are you. familiar with Saul Alinsky? I think. you're probably. >> rules for radicals. >> Yeah. Rules for radicals. This is. exactly what it's following. He said you. you choose a target, you freeze that.

target, you isolate it, you personalize. it, and you polarize it. And that's. exactly what's being it's it's a simple. algorithm. And that's exactly you think. of all those things we just talked. about. All of a sudden it's all you see. in the news. You're freezing it for. everybody to see. You're personalizing. it. What is that? How how are you. getting ripped off and how is it hurting. you if you do that? Uh and then and you. polarize that and it just drives people. apart because they believe what they're. what they're being shown. And so my.

invitation add that to the fact that. people are addicted to social media. So. they're addicted to being inundated by. all this propaganda. >> and all this all these various competing. narratives. >> Yeah. >> You can't leave your phone alone. It's. more and more addictive every time you. pick it up. The the newer ones are even. better. The screens are even bigger. Now. you got a foldable one. Opens up to a. tablets in your pocket. And people are. just full-on addicted to what is a lot. of negative information. Far more than. you would get just living your ordinary.

life. >> You don't see much information. You don't see joyous information that. brings us together very often. Do do you. do you see anything? >> Well, you can if you curate your feed. well. But the problem is if if you spend. any amount of time, you're going to be. you're going to be impacted by some. ideas that you don't like. >> You know, there's going to be a lot of. negativity. Like there's a lot of things. that X shows me that I did not sign up. for this person's page. I do not know. They just showed up in my feed. I do not.

follow them. But all a sudden it appears. and I read it and I'm like, "Oh, this is. [ __ ] horrible. This is ter like what. a terrible take." And you see people. arguing in the worst most evil way. possible for ter celebrating people's. deaths and hoping more people die and. you're like, "Oh my god, I got to get. out of here." That is evil. Yeah. >> If you I mean, I'm not saying that those. human beings are evil. I think most of. those human beings don't even know what. they're doing. >> exactly. This is. >> they don't even think of it as real. life. They think of it. It's called [ __ ].

posting. You know what [ __ ] posting is? >> You people just post things for for the. lulls. They just post it to get. reactions out of people. And there's a. lot of that going on. There's a lot of. people expressing their boredom with. negativity, expressing their frustration. with their station in life with. negativity online and then feeding into. it, arguing with other people instead of. addressing their own individual real. life problems. They start looking at all. these things that they're creating. online. That's their primary focus like. throughout the day is these stupid. ideological battles they're having with.

people that might not even be real. people. >> Well, it's evil. It's kind of evil. >> It is. and and. >> because it's robbing what you're saying. it's robbing you of your opportunity to. achieve a higher level of humanity. >> Well, I think what you said is really. important that many people are naive. It. because they have are participating. doesn't mean that they're evil people, >> right? >> And even that even goes for for. >> I think most people even people that do. a lot of horrible acts I agree because. they're trapped. >> But see then and this is why I said what. I said earlier. or we can tie into this.

People who have a propensity, they have. a spiritual weakness. This is a this is. a spiritual battle. Not religious, but. it's a deeply spiritual battle that's. playing out on earth right now. And it's. showing up in every facet of our lives, whether we want to think about it or. not. People that have a propensity for. greed because that's their spiritual. weakness or a propensity for power or. control, they will fall into those.

roles. They don't even know what and. I've worked with people and I've been in. organizations and I've seen it happen. They're naive. Many of them uh some of. them know exactly what they're doing. There are some that know exactly what. they're doing, but most of them are very. naive and they want to be relevant and. so they will follow the pack is is what. what they will do. And so this is where. I I think you can recognize. This is. where discernment comes in to recognize. it without judging it because.

this is a spiritual battle. And at the end of the day, what matters, Joe, is what do we become in the. presence of what the world shows us? What do we allow the events of the world. to make us into? Do we allow an election. that didn't turn the way that we had. wanted to reduce us to the most primal. levels of hate and revenge and anger,

something we never do in a million. years, but we succumb to that? Or do we. do we recognize what it is that has. happened? It doesn't mean we have to. agree with it. Uh but the question is do. we make the decisions from our love. of the families behind us and our. friends and and and our community or do. we make our decisions from the fear of. what we perceive as our enemy in front.

of us? And that happens every moment of. every day. I've been in I have been in a. business meeting with uh someone who is. pure evil. Pure evil. And the first time. it happened, it caught me off guard. And then I learned and it will never. happen. Actually, >> can you tell me what the meeting was? >> Uh I can't um. >> give me some details. >> It was it was a business. It was in this. industry that we're in right now in the. information industry, the publishing.

industry. And I was with an individual. uh. who. um I'm hesitating the the words that I. use here. I found myself saying things. that I would never say in a million. years while that individual was looking. at me and smiling because he was somehow. inciting me to to say those things. Uh.

it was almost like um in some way there. was a force that I had not learned to. reckon with. I have since learned. >> Were you young at the time? >> I was an adult. I was younger than I am. now. Yeah. And uh and you know this is. this comes up for all of us in different. ways. >> So but you're not taking responsibility. for the words that are coming out of. your mouth. You. >> I couldn't stop it. That was the weird. thing. I couldn't stop. >> Do you think that was anxiety? I mean. >> I don't I don't know what it was, Joe. I.

heard I heard myself say I was. dissociated. I I heard myself saying. them and I didn't want to say them. Couldn't you attribute that to a lot of. psychological factors like anxiety and. stress and. >> and you know the anticipation of this. moment? >> I could except. >> power structures. >> I could except that he was looking right. at me and he had this this smile. >> and when I saw him again he tried to do. the same thing again and it didn't work. >> You tried to do it but see this is my. problem with this. You're not taking.

personal responsibility for the words. that are coming out of your mouth. >> I did. >> Right. But you're saying that this guy. forced those words to coming out of you. and that that is where it gets a little. slippery because like why do you why. would you not just assume that it was. your own anxiety, their own stress. level? People behave out of pocket. sometimes. They think. >> outside of their own character sometimes. they talk out of character and then they. go I don't even know why I was saying. that. I'm sorry. You know that happens. >> I agree. I agree with you 100%, Joe.

That's there are other circumstances. that I I I just can't talk about. >> So, but you think this person was. actually an evil person. >> Oh, I know. Yeah, I know that. I know. that this person was and and other. people have had similar experiences that. that um continue to have similar. experiences. >> Well, I don't doubt that there are. legitimately actually fully evil people. in the world. And I think there there's. a lot of evidence that those people have. existed historically. I mean you think. about some of the atrocities that people. have done throughout history just. >> I mean the obvious one is Hitler but I.

mean you you could go through history. you could Jenghask Khan I mean you you. could there's so many people that have. done unbelievably evil things in this. world. >> when that happens and it's happening. today I mean it's happening today you. don't have to look at look at history. >> look at Gaza. >> those Yep that's a perfect example to to. do what is happening there when it comes. human to human the only way that a a. human one human can perpetrate that onto. another is to to sever the relationship.

to their divinity. All right? And we. have the choice to do that. We can we. can deny our divinity. We can have it. taken from us by those who have power. over us or we can technology can deny. our divinity. But someone who and. closely linked to the soul which is not. the spirit. So the soul is our localized. you know lifetime experience. when when. we. sever that relationship,

uh that is what what allows an. individual to carry out those kinds of. atrocities because. an individual who is connected to their. divinity and their soul could never look. at another human in the eye and hurt. them the way that we know that it has. happened in our lives. And and it has. it's happened throughout history. So, so. my my focus what I'm I'm really. passionate about and and it's not just.

like any old time in history. We're on. the precipice, Joe. I mean, the. decisions are being made within the next. couple of years as to whether or not we. will give our humanness away to. technology or if we allow the technology. to serve us but not enslave us. AI is an. example of that. The brain computer. interfaces that are going on BCI, that's. a big conversation going on right now.

And if if we get lost in the weeds of. just AI or just the BCI, it's easy to do that, but I think it's. important to keep there's a bigger. picture. There's a struggle. There's an. ancient struggle going on here. And it. is because, and this is what's so. powerful, it's because there's something. inside of us that's worth the struggle. And our children are not being taught. that. Our our young kids are being told. that they're a flawed form of life. They. need something outside of our bodies. We. need to protect our kids.

>> What do you think that thing is? Do you. think that's what the soul is? >> I think it's our our divinity. is the ability to express. And this is. going back to the Gnostic texts. This is. why they were heretical because the. Gnostic texts said that we have a. hotline. to a higher realm that we don't have to. go through uh an intermediary that we.

are imbued with this spark or whatever. language you want to use uh nor given to. no other form of life. And that when we. awaken that that we we become godlike, not god but godlike. And this was the. message of Yeshua in the gnostic texts. And that's the the message that was. denied and called heretical because the. if we are that uh then we don't need an. intermediary.

So, so I think what we're looking at. right now is is do we love ourselves. enough? Do we love ourselves enough to. accept the gift of our humanness and. what it means to be human and what it. means to be divine and not bring. religion into the conversation, but and. maybe just find another word if if. people aren't comfortable with that. word. But I I really want people to know. and especially, you know, I do live. events with these young kids, Joe, and.

they've been taught to worship. technology. The computer chip is God. AI. is God. And then I show them, and I'. I've showed some studies. Um, SulkQ Institute in Northern. California did a study and they compared. a human brain to a microprocessor. And you say, well, how can you make that. comparison? I said that the. microprocessor has about the same number. of transistors that the human brain has.

of synapses in the brain. Interestingly, it's about the same number. And so they. ran all these tests and what they found. literally the human brain, okay, the. computer chip, is it fast? Yes. Is it. efficient? Yes. Is it scalable? You can only scale the chip. It'll only. run as fast as the physics. that of the stuff it's made of will. allow the silicon or whatever it is and. and then it tops out. The human brain is. it fast? Yes. Is efficient? Yes. Is it.

scalable? What what is the top end of a. human brain? And the answer is we don't. know because every time we push a human. brain to what we think is the limit that. we've been taught to accept, this is the. beauty of our divinity. What we do is we morph and adapt and. open up a whole new vista of of. potentials. The Tibetan monks a perfect. example of this. When I was in school. again back 50s and 60s, we were taught.

that u the human brain maxes out about. 40 hertz, 40 cycles per second. All the. medical books, textbooks, everything. And then these Tibetan monks came along. and they said, "Well, if we do a certain. kind of meditation, you know, we'll. exceed that." Then they bumped they. doubled it. They went to 80 80 hertz. The scientist said, "Okay, so maybe we. got it wrong once, but the human brain. can't possibly do any more than that.". And the the monks said, "Well, you know, if we do a different kind of meditation,

you know where this is going." And they. push it up to 100 hertz. And then they. they had to come up with another brain. state called gamma. And then they push. it to 120 and 130 and 150 and one and. they 200 cycles per second. Now they. have to call it hyper gamma. But then. they even went the other direction. Joe, this is a mind-blower. We typically think when a human brain. shows less than one cycle per second of. processing, less than one hertz, that. person's not there anymore. And the.

monks were able to consciously drive. their brain state to 0.5 hertz, less. than one. They're very conscious. They're very awake. They're just in a. way different state of mind. And that. opens the door to a lot of questions. about, you know, what does it mean when. you see low brain activity? Is someone. actually in a healing state or are they. really not there? Or, you know, I think. it deserves more study. But the point of.

all of this and there is a point is that. through nothing more than breath and. focus, so nothing external, no. chemicals, no machines, those Tibetan. monks demonstrated that we not only meet. but we are exceeding the brain capacity. that we thought we had in the past. >> And the fascinating thing about them is. you would have to do what they do to be. able to understand how their brain. functions. you would have to have.

meditated for 30 plus years in the same. exact way to achieve these states that. they achieve. Otherwise, you're just. guessing about what that's like. I'd led. groups in the Tibet from the. from the mid 90s to the early 2000s and. we we would go to to 12 monasteries and. two nunnies over 26 days and we would. sit with these people and through the. translators they would teach us and you. don't you could spend that kind of time. but the beauty is you don't have to. >> So to to get to their level it's not.

like other things like you get really. good at guitar by practicing for years. and years. It's not the same thing. It. is. No, there is practice and there is. discipline. Absolutely. I'm not denying. that at all. >> What I'm saying is like there's an Eddie. Van Halen of being a monk. >> You know what I mean? Like a regular guy. can't shred like that, right? You But. Eddie Van Halen played guitar for. thousands and thousands and thousands. and thousands of hours. >> with a incredible focus and became Eddie. Van Halen. You know, if you're a monk, you know Eddie Van Halen.

>> I love this analogy. I do. >> You know what I'm saying? to be a. virtuoso, to be a Steve Rayvon, to be a. Jimmyi Hendris, like it it requires. immense amount of time. And I would. imagine to get really good at that kind. of meditation, it it would be a similar. thing. >> There's a discipline. There is a. discipline and um. >> but are there levels that get reached. like when someone's like a true master, they've been doing it for 20 years, they. can do something, they can get to a. state that other people can't get to. >> There are, Joe, and what I want to say. is there are levels that you and I can.

do right this minute. Uh I think I don't. know if you've had any of the folks from. the Institute of Heart Math. Uh it's a. pioneering research organization. Northern California. Been around since. 1994. Uh I've worked with them since 95. They explore the power of the human. heart beyond being simply a pump in the. body. That's probably the least of what. it does. And what they have done and. made very accessible to the average. person is the ability to create. coherence between the heart and the.

brain. And that can happen in a. heartbeat. So here's what I mean by. that. 1991. By the way, I I want to. honor your time. Are we okay on time? I'm not seeing you. Okay. Has it been an. hour yet? >> We have more than an hour. Yeah, we're. almost two hours. >> I know. I'm I'm I'm kidding. >> Don't worry about anything. Just let's. talk. >> All right. I'm having a great time. >> 90. I'm too. Thank you. >> Thank you. 91. Fascinating. Yeah. 91 uh. scientists discovered. in the human heart. I mean 91 is not. that long ago.

>> No. >> And scientists are thinking, "Okay, we. we got the body nailed. You know, we. know how this works. We do heart. transplants. They're successful. So, we. must have this all figured out." They. discovered 40,000. specialized cells in the human heart uh. called sensory neurites. And when I say. discovered, they'd always been there, but nobody looked because they're like. neurons, Joe, but they're not in the. brain. And you think, why are there. neurons in the heart, >> right? >> They think independently, they feel.

independently, and they process. independently from the neurons in the. human brain. And and so right there, there's a whole conversation about when. we have trauma, our trauma is recorded. in two different places. You can do talk. therapy in the brain. If you don't. address the heart, it may feel. incomplete. >> to have that therapy. But so here's why. I'm sharing this. Now we've got two. neural networks, one in the heart, one. in the brain, >> and institute of heart math uh made. available the techniques, three very.

simple steps to harmonize. two neural networks into a single potent. system. And we are the only form of life. that can do this at will, on demand we. choose. We're the only form of life that. can sit in a chair and say in this. moment I choose to create the term is. coherence and the coherence optimum. coherence is a low frequency 0.1 hertz. So we're the only form of life that can. choose to create 0.1 hertz between the.

heart and the brain harmonizing two. organs become one potent system in the. body. And when that happens man there's. a whole cascade of things. So let me two. categories passive passive benefits just. from harmonizing the heart and the brain. you supercharge the immune system and. this something I've done at least once a. day since n 909 95 when I learned it and. sometimes multiple times a day. superimmune response.

you awaken longevity enzymes that. everybody has in the body but often go. dormant for some people as as they as. they age you can wake them up pretty. quick. Stem cells, you can wake them up. pretty quick. Resilience to change. And. this is fascinating to me because when. young, we all know this, young kids are. really resilient to change. I come from a very dysfunctional. alcoholic family. Um, we moved. My.

father left when I was 10. We moved. every year and I went to a different. school every year and had to make new. friends every year. And it took a lot of. resilience to do that. I could do that. then. Uh, I probably have problems doing. something like that now because. typically as we age, we lose resilience. That is directly linked to what's called. heart rate variability, HRV. So, you know, every heartbeat that goes. bump bump is it's the QRS complex.

And the time from one peak to the next. to the next to the next varies. When we're young, it varies a lot. And. that gives us resilience. When we age, it becomes more regular. We lose our. resilience set in our waves. Through harmonizing heart and the brain, you can actually uh uh reset that heart. rate variability to to the point where. it was when you were younger. And it. doesn't take long to do that. So those. are are passive benefits. Now active.

benefits once you're in that space and. this is where the really juicy stuff. happens. Deep intuition. So this is. where you do precognition. You have the ability to your heart will. sense an event before it actually. happens. And there's science showing why. that is. Like so many people knew 9/11. was going to happen before it happened. And I'm not saying they did this but. they they knew intuitively. This is a.

way to awaken that kind of intuition on. demand. Uh, deep intuition on demand. Um, there are 1300. positive biochemical reactions from. harmonizing the heart and the brain. All. right. And. >> and what is the method you use to. harmonize? >> Three three steps. One is you shift your. focus from your mind into your heart. And I've led groups with indigenous. people all over the world for 40 years. And and the way they all do this is.

they'll always touch their heart to. bring their awareness to their heart. center. Some some people use a finger or. two. If you're in the in the the Mayan. cultures in Mexico, they use a full. palm. Uh you see this in the Middle. East. Uh you people will greet one. another with a full palm or Buddhist. will do it like this and nestle that. prayer mudra right there. And the point. is that your awareness will always go to. the place on your body where you feel. the touch. Like if I touch my arm, all. my my awareness went there. Okay, that's.

first step. >> So you meet someone, you put your hands. on your heart to bring awareness to your. heart. >> Yeah. Yeah. You can do it do it that. way. This is what they do. So the first. step in heart brain coherence. uh developed by the institute of heart. math. Uh you shift your awareness from. your mind into your heart. First step. Second step is to slow your breathing. And the the key here, it's not just. enough just to slow it, but you exhale. for a period of time longer than you. inhale because we all breathe at a.

different rate. So, for example, if we. inhale four four counts. and release six, okay, that might work for me. Somebody. at, you know, higher elevation might do. it differently. But the point. >> the point is when you release when you. exhale for a period of time longer than. you inhale. >> that triggers the relaxation response. parasympathetic nervous system you're. telling your body it's a language and. what you're doing is you're telling your. body I am safe because that's the only.

time you. >> right and hyperventilating is the. opposite of that. Yeah. You don't want. >> feel safe at all. Yeah. Yeah. So, so. second step. is you're you're breathing uh slower. longer on the exhale focusing as if your. breath is coming from your heart while. your focus is on your heart. Two steps. The third step is where you create 01. hertz. You feel a feeling, a positive. feeling because you choose to feel the. feeling. And this is deceptively. powerful, Joe, because most forms of.

life, including humans, only have a. feeling in response to what the world. shows to them. We have the ability to have a feeling. because we choose to have the feeling. And what the science is showing is that. the feeling of gratitude. almost 100% works for everyone. We all. can sense grat gratitude. I mean you can. think of words like compassion that. means different things different people. love means different things but we can.

be grateful for for our children our. families our lives something like that. and when we feel that feeling it sends. a signal a very low frequency point 0.1. hertz from the heart to the brain in the. presence of the slower breathing and. that harmonization between the heart and. the brain. is what gives all the benefits that we. just shared everything you know. superimmune response stem cells.

uh longevity enzymes all of those things. and it's also if people do affirmations. this is the place an affirmation. is a message to the subconscious and you. have to speak in a language that the. subconscious recognizes. and the the coherence between the heart. and the brain is like a hotline to the. subconscious, but you don't have to be. hypnotized. So, when you're saying affirmations, if.

you if you do it during that time, they're even even more potent. Uh, and you know, we could spend a lot. of time talking about the role of. imagination, mirror neurons, all of that. happening within the the presence. at. the point going back to what you were. mentioning about the Tibetan monks. Yeah, you can study years learning what. they're learning and there are benefits. uh that we can access pretty quickly and.

it's science-based. I mean this is all. peer-reviewed. This is the beauty of the. Institute of Heart Math. They publish in. peer-reviewed journals and um and. they've done much more. I'm just. scratching the surface. If anyone is not. familiar with that, I invite people to. go to wwwheart. e-rat.org. and it's all free. You can check it out. >> So, do you believe that the connection. between the heart and the mind when you. achieve that state that it increases. your intuition? >> Absolutely.

Between the heart and the brain. >> What did I say? The heart. >> Heart and the mind. >> I said the heart and the mind. The heart. and the brain. >> You said this is such a good question, Joe. And here's the reason. And this is. one of the the places where it's so. powerful. I mean, you can use this stuff. in a a business environment for this. very reason. When we look at the world and solve our. problems. from our mind, our brain, brain's left. and right brain. So, you know, you've. got logic and intuition over here. Those. are the ego loops. And the brain will.

will always work in polarity. That's. where you're going to get your right and. wrong, good and bad. success, failure, worthy, not worthy. And the ego, man, it'll spin you up in. those loops for hours. But here's the. thing, the heart is non-polarity. It's. not it's not a polar organ. So when you. harmonize the heart and the brain, what. you're doing is you're bypassing the ego. loops. And here's where that can be.

powerful. I did this in a corporate. boardroom. I was I was the the youngest. uh so I was the first tech tech ops. manager at Cisco systems 1990 when they. uh got the RFP for protocol converter so. that all the branches of the armed. services could computers could talk to. all the others before the first Gulf War. and when I would go into the boardroom. with an idea. and I knew that I was going to be. criticized.

uh I'm also a Cancerian male And if you. know anything about. >> I've never heard anybody use that term. cancerian. >> Yeah. Well, that's my I'm that's my. sign. My birth signs in cancer. >> I understand what it is, but I've never. heard the term. >> And um very uh emotion plays a big role. Now, it doesn't have to, you know, it's. a it's a stereotype, but it happens to. be true for me, >> right? >> Emotion plays a big role. Criticism. coming from an alcoholic family, uh my. father was the the abuser and the. criticizer. And I've spent my whole.

life, you know, working to I'm still. healing, you know, from that. So when. somebody would criticize my ideas, you. know, it'd be hurtful. I' I'd take it. personally. >> When you move into the coherence and. you're not taking that criticism through. good, bad, right, wrong, success, failure. Now you can be much more. objective and you can listen to it. And. when they're finished, you can say, "Well, you know, have you ever. considered this?" Because you haven't. reacted. And it's a really powerful.

place to to. >> Well, it's certainly worse if you're. talking to a good faith actor, someone. who's really wants to talk about stuff. and has a legitimate criticism. But most. of the time when people are criticizing. you, they're trying to hurt your. feelings. >> They are. I never read my book reviews. on Amazon. >> That's a good move. >> I mean, it's not that criticism is bad. Criticism is critical. like you you can. learn a lot from intelligent people from. their um perspectives of things. I've. learned a lot from other people's. criticism. >> But the difference between that and.

dwelling on criticism, that's the part. where people get wrapped up in their own. identity and and also interpersonal. conflicts. if you if you're a kind of. person who like you're naturally. argumentative and then someone says. something like that's not [ __ ] true. and you want to say something back but. it's just. >> it's a lot of negativity and a lot of. wasted time and the way I try to. describe it uh especially to uh emerging. famous people and I'm like you have to. think of your life as if like your.

energy is a number like you have a. hundred energies for the day like it's a. unit. >> and if you're spending 30 or 40 of those. energies on 30 or 40 of those units on. social media and of criticism and of. negativity, it's going to rob the 60%. that you really enjoy. It's going to rob. your time with your friends, your. family, your hobbies, your job, your. community, whatever the whatever you. really love, hanging out with your dog, you know, like there's people right now. that are going on a walk with their.

sweet sweet dog and they're thinking. about some mean post that someone made. and the mean [ __ ] they're going to say. to get back at that person. Meanwhile, they're with this beautiful animal and. they if you got on your knees, you're. going, "Are you having a good time?". They give you kisses and they put their. paw on like you're having so much fun. It's so beautiful and loving and you're. thinking about something stupid that has. no bearing on this moment and you can't. escape. You can't escape. You're like. psychically connected to this. negativity. >> It's a tool. It's a powerful tool. >> That's why I tell them it's not worth.

it. >> Bring Well, this helps to be objective. so you can hear the critic. I'm open to. criticism, but it should be one-on-one. constructive honestly one-on-one with. compassionate people. >> Not my Amazon book review. >> Well, there's people out there that are. critics and this is an important. distinction. They're critics because. they don't have anything to contribute. and they didn't want to be critics, especially professional critics. A lot. of them wanted to be professional. writers, but their work was not good.

Like Roger Eert wrote one of the. craziest scripts of all time. Have you. ever read it? >> No. >> Have you ever heard of it? >> No, I know Roger Eert. I know the. script. >> Very strange. Like out there. Like. wasn't it like hypersexual? What was it about? Anyway, widely panned. as being [ __ ] terrible. But this is. the guy that is the guy that back in the. day was the guy to review movies. And it. would be so snarky and so bite. But you. have to realize like look at him. Look. at these people. Look at the way they.

talk. Do is this the kind of opinion you. value? Like why is this the thing that. gets elevated? Wouldn't you rather have. the opinion of someone who really enjoys. going to the movies and has great things. to say about perform? It's like someone. who's enjoying it, not someone who wants. to be pissed off so they can say the. snarkiest, shittiest. And have you ever. seen the videos of the two of those guys. arguing with each other off camera? Those are amazing. >> They called them bloopers and I I like. the bloopers better in the reviews.

>> Way better because that's the real guys. They're really shitty guys. They're. They're super shitty to each other. They're both so nasty to each other. It's like, so those are the people that. are dictating what is good and bad in. culture. That's nuts. >> That's the problem with criticism. That's the problem with critics. A lot. of them are [ __ ]. >> Yep. I. >> So you're getting the opinions primarily. of [ __ ] But see, but what you're. doing through coherence is that you're. defusing. that the [ __ ]. criticism from having the impact on you.

so that you're thinking about it while. you're out walking your dog on a. beautiful day. >> Well, that's a beautiful thing if you. can do that. If you could separate. yourself from what they said. But the. only way you could really do that is if. you are 100% happy with what you've. done. So if you write a book and that. book you you nailed it, you love it. It's amazing. If someone's like really. critical of it, it's not for you. But. the thing that I made is perfect for the. people who like the thing that I made, you know, and that's if you can get to a.

place where you could do that, that's. great. But you have to know that you put. your all into what you did so that you. don't feel bad about other people's. negative opinion of it. I agree. >> But if you have some thing like, I kind. of halfass that. I could have spent more. time on this. I I wasn't really. committed to that. If you're doing that, then the criticism hurts because you. know it's valid. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, if you're if you're going to do. some I think whatever we do, book or you. know, music or whatever it is, uh we do. put a million% into it. I I learned.

this, you know, my my dad left when I. was 10 and our family was devastated. My. mom uh was my mom, I have a younger. brother, four years younger, and myself. And mom all of a sudden was raising, you. know, two boys and we knew we were in. for some pretty rough times, man. We. were we were more than broke. We end up. living in government subsidized housing. and you know it was it was a tough time. and and mom gave me a book at 10 years. old. She handed me this book and she. said I think that this is going to be.

useful to you in in your life and you. may know this book. It was by a man. named Khalil Gabbron. Sure. It's called. the prophet. >> Yeah. >> And. I read it to this day and there are. different pieces that mean different. things to me throughout my life. But. there was one piece where he talked. about work. And in the environment I. grew up in, my father hated his job. He. hated work. My friends all hated their. work. They just wanted to make money. And Khalil Gabbr, this is on every email. that I write right at the bottom. Khalil.

Gabbron said, "Work is love made. visible." And I like that because it. means that. when we're going to do something, you do. it to the best of your ability and even. more or don't do it at all. if you're. gonna do it, do it really, really well. and find a way to give meaning to what. you're doing. So, you know, I went to. work. I used to work midnight to 6:00. a.m. in a a warehouse loading. I don't talk about this a lot, but I I. was loading 50 lb bags of um Pyina uh.

catchow on the box cars so they could go. out in the morning to this distribution. And the guys I work with, man, they. hated they hated their job. And I said, you know what? If I do this just right, 50 pound bags, if I use my my legs, I. can get a pretty good leg workout out of. this. And then when I'm done with that, after dinner, I'll come back and I can I. can get a good upper body workout and I. can use my arms and and all of a sudden. I was getting paid for a great workout. and they had a box car full of Purina.

Cat Show and it was love made visible. and and that. >> that's a great perspective. Well, it has. stayed with me and and I'm saying this. because if I write a book or if I do an. event, anything I do. Uh if I'm going to. do it, I'm going to do it really to the. best of my ability. If I can't do it to. the best of my ability, I'll just if I. don't believe in it, I won't do it. >> It's hard for young people to hear that. because, you know, they're doing a job. that sucks. They just want to get out of. there and go do what they love. And. sometimes a job that sucks is really. good motivation to get you to work.

harder to go out and do the thing that. you want to do that you love. because I. I don't think I would ever appreciate. the life that I have now if I didn't. have a bunch of really terrible jobs. when I was young. >> Well, we all did. And I think there is. there is something to be said if if for. a young person, I mean, I used to I used. to do lawns. I was a cook. Uh none of it. was my dream, but I said if I'm going to. do it, I want to do it really I'm going. to do this really well. >> Well, that's great attitude. >> I think that was like, oh my god, this.

drains you of your life force. But we're. better. We're better for it if we can. approach it in that way. And then when. you don't do it anymore, you stop doing. it. >> Well, yeah. I mean, if you have a. negative attitude about something that. you're doing versus a positive attitude, you could do the exact same thing with a. positive attitude and actually enjoy it. Yeah. >> And just have fun. >> And especially if you're working with. good people. >> So, I have a question for you. >> Okay. >> When you invited me here, I I've got 40. years of of work. Was there one. particular facet of that work that you.

wanted to explore and talk about? >> I've seen your work for a long time and. I've seen you say a lot of really. interesting things for a long time. Um, it wasn't any one thing. >> Okay. >> Although there was uh a conversation. that you had uh recently that I thought. was very interesting. I don't know if it. was recently, but it it made it into my. social media feeds recently. uh where. you were talking to someone about. climate change and you were talking. about carbon in the environment and its. actual effect versus a lot of a lot of.

the the narrative that you hear about. this Green New Deal stuff and just the. the climate the the the freak out the. climate freak out from the Al Gore film. which by the way freaked everybody out. and was totally inaccurate. It was. horribly inaccurate. This was a a film, An Inconvenient Truth from. Was it 2005? >> Before that, >> it was it before that. >> Yeah. >> So, this film freaked Literally freaked.

everyone out. >> It was a PowerPoint. He did a PowerPoint. presentation. >> 2006. Oh, it was. Oh, wow. >> Yeah. He just he gave a PowerPoint. presentation and recorded it. >> And this film was all about how we are. [ __ ] And by this time, the time we're. living in right now, 2025, the Earth is. supposed to be unlivable. I mean, not. I'm exaggerating, but like Miami is. underwater. The coast move. Meanwhile, the coast haven't moved at all. And the. some of the wealthiest, most influential. people in the world buy property on the.

coastline. So, like that, by the way, I. should tell you, you know, if the. billionaires are buying beach houses, I. think it's going to be okay in that. regard. Uh, but it's also like he made a. lot of money off of it. It became really. weird because it became he was speaking. everywhere and he made hundreds of. millions of dollars. carbon credits. He. he put he created the carbon credit. system. Yeah. >> The whole thing is kind of nuts when. you're that wrong and nobody even calls. you out on it. Like you freaked. everybody out from when I saw it in. 2006. All my friends were like, "Oh my.

god, we got to do something now." We. were all freaked out. 20 years later, very little difference. >> Yeah. >> It's not what he said wasn't true. And. there's a lot of weird inconvenient. things. One of the things that Randall. Carlson brings up is one of the things. about carbon is there's more green now. on the surface of Earth than there has. been. >> Absolutely. >> How many years? How many years has it. been? >> 20. Well, NASA NASA says uh I have a. some slides called climate if and we.

want to look at any of these. >> If people don't know why that would be. well plants eat carbon dioxide. >> So here's um. I mean we could do a whole three hours. on this. So I may we come back and do. that. >> I'm I'm a degreed geologist and I'm I. began looking at climate 1979 when I was. in the energy industry uh in Denver, Colorado. Climate change is a fact and I. want to be on record. I want to say it. is a fact. Um it's constantly changing. and earth is warming. Uh and if we.

weren't, I would be concerned because. the warming is cyclic. And if we weren't. warming now, I wonder why we're not. warming now. Uh, and I want to be very clear, we need. to find clean, green, sustainable forms. of energy. And we've had them, Joe, for. 70 years. If we, if we were, it goes. even beyond thorium. I don't know if. you're familiar with thorium. >> No. What's that? >> So, the Manhattan Project. >> sounds like an anti-depressant.

>> No. No. This is It's a mineral. It's an. element. uh during the Manhattan project. when they, you know, did the crash. program for the weapon, they went through the periodic table to. find out what elements could possibly be. used to create the energy. Uh, and they. chose uranium because the byproduct was. the plutonium that they needed for the. weapons and for the nuclear reactors. But it's not the only element that would.

work. Element number 90 is thorium. Thorium uh is abundant in the earth's. crust. It's inexpensive. It's uh almost. every nation has access to it. So, it's. very easy to get. Uh it cannot melt down. like a Fukushima. It cannot be. weaponized, which is one of the reasons. that that they're not using it. The. waste can become the new fuel. It can be. recycled as the fuel. >> What. >> uh thorium element number 90. And if you.

look it up, this is why Wikipedia is a. problem. If you look up Wikipedia. uh and some of these other things, they'll say, "Well, it's theoretical.". We had thorium reactors back in the 80s. China, Russia, the United States had. them in Colorado. There was an Indian. River facility that was uh largely the. uh run on uh it's called thor thorium. salts is what they were doing. Uh and. that's just one example. So what I'm. saying is if we were serious about clean. green sustainable energy there are.

technologies that they would have. allowed us to have that we haven't all. right so I just I want to say that when. it comes to this is part of our earlier. conversation we are being taught to. demonize carbon in general and our young. people are frightened of carbon they. think carbon is bad carbon is evil. carbon is what we're made out of and So. they have no problem relinquishing their. carbon-based, frail, fragile, flawed.

bodies for the technology because. they've already been taught that carbon. is bad, >> which is bananas. >> Well, it is bananas. So here's. >> I can't believe it worked. >> Well, we've got psych psychology. There's a whole story behind that. So. I've got some images. I don't know if we. want to bring them up, >> but that this narrow view of carbon is. so crazy. first right now. So CO2 levels. right now about 418 420 parts per. million which is higher than it's been. in 10 years, 20 years, 50 years. That's.

true. Is it dangerously high? No. And as. a geologist, here's why I can say that. When we go look at the the geological. record, there are times we've had CO2. levels have been a thousand parts per. million, 2,000 parts per million, and. Earth was lush, Earth was green. It was. definitely a little warmer. The ice. melted. The sea levels did rise. Okay. That's a problem for people that build. 10 ft from the sea thinking that the sea.

is always going to be 10 feet away. >> Right. >> All right. uh some of the the most abundant times. for life during Jurassic period uh. Cretaceous. uh during during these periods and. what's interesting is you can have very. high carbon dioxide levels historically. and the temperatures are low and vice. versa you can have uh high temperatures. and the CO2 is low and the one of the. kickers is from the vastto ice cores so.

Um, we we recognized warming was happening. Scientists went to Antarctica. Okay, I'm. going to back up for people that may not. be familiar with this. Every year. there's a new layer of ice that is laid. down in Greenland uh and Antarctica. And. in that layer of ice has captured little. air bubbles uh of the atmosphere. and particles of pollen and particles of.

volcanic dust. And we can tell from that. layer what the the temperatures have. been, what the magnetic strength of the. earth has been, how strong the sun has. been. I mean all this stuff. >> Amazing. It it is it's a mindblower. I'm. just amazed. >> Uh we actually have ice core libraries. So, I mean very cold uh refrigerated. rooms where they. >> I've seen that. >> they take the. >> videos of it. It's wild. >> Yeah. So, scientists recognize the ice. >> We can pull a video of that up. It's so.

fascinating to look at if people hadn't. seen it. >> I may have some pictures and it's under. climate on the the p the powerpoints. Um. so, what they did was they said, "Let's. we don't know what's happening is what. scientists said. Let's capture as much. information as we can before the ice. melts." So they drilled in Vastto, Antarctica, uh, and they ended up going. back 420,000 years of of layers of ice, continuous layers. >> Whoa. How deep is that? >> Um, I'm not sure how how deep that is.

It's It was They drilled below that was. Vastto Lake. So they went down as far as. they could before they hit the lake. >> That's a hell of a pipe. >> It is. And you can see uh so here's here. and this was in the the 80s and 90s they. were doing this and the real scientists. know what I'm going to say. The real. geologists that are not politicized. and are not beholden to. academic or corporate interests that are.

are paying their paychecks. One of the. problems is. in those ice cores, the temperature. actually rises before the CO2 levels. If the CO2 is causing that rise, that's. a problem because you would expect the. CO2 to rise first and then the. temperature. And that's not what the ice. scores. Now, I do have a slide of that. if he wants to to bring that up. Uh so. it suggests that something else is. happening. And when we look at um.

it's it's this one, right? Um it's on. the lower lower left. The sec second. slide. >> on from the lower left. >> Uh I can't see. >> This is a lot of slides, folks. There's. 28 slides. >> Yeah, this is a present presentation. that I gave. >> Okay. Right there. So what you're seeing.

is the uh the red is temperature and. blue. Yeah. And the you can see that the. uh the red if you're coming from the the. past to the present the red is rising. first and then the blue follows. So the. temperatures are rising first and then. the carbon dioxide is rising. Now. there's a reason for that and a lot of. people don't like this.

What's driving climate change is under. our feet. Humans are not causing it. All. right? And I know that's a big statement. and it's different than what a lot of. people have heard and I'm going to. acknowledge that. Uh NASA said I've got. a slide showing that NASA's showing 90%. of the CO2 in the atmosphere. Joe is. coming from the outgassing of the. oceans. All right. We know from high. school science, um, yeah, from high school science that. cold water holds more gas. The oceans.

are warming, and that's a fact. And as. they warm, they're releasing that CO2. into the atmosphere. The kicker is. they're warming from underneath, not. from top. >> So they're not You don't think they're. warming from whatever we're doing to the. atmosphere? No, we now we are definitely. contributing to CO2 in the atmosphere. >> What would be the factor? Like what. would be the cause of the warming from. below? >> We're going to go through this. I I. should probably just.

go I have another one on there on on um. magnetic migrations. Okay. So, here's. >> Oh, Jesus. Here. >> Now, you're going to freak me out. >> No. Rand Carlson shifting deal. >> No. No. And I don't see any evidence of. all the things to be concerned about. before the polls can shift, which they. do occasionally. Three factors have to. be in place and they're not there right. now. So, let me just say that right now. >> Thank you for that cuz I've been. freaking out about that one. >> No, they they uh but however, we're. asking the wrong question. They're not.

shifting. They're migrating. >> Oh, great. and the the migration what. happens. I'm not sure how far back to go. So what. we know is Paul Leviolet in the 1980s uh. I knew him before he passed. He was a. brilliant brilliant physicist. Wrote a. book called Earth Under Fire that was. ridiculed a lot in the 80s. And what he. said is that uh every once in a while on.

a a clockwork basis there is a volley of. cosmic. cosmic rays that comes cosmic uh rays. that come from the center of our Milky. Way. And cosmic rays like they're passing. through you and me right now because. we're mostly empty. You know, our we're. 99.999%. nothing. >> Nutrinos and stuff like that. >> Exactly. And when they pass into the. crust of the earth, nothing happens in. the core. The core is so dense, Joe, because of the pressure of the earth.

It's iron nickel. And it's so dense that. those they they can't pass through. And. it actually causes what's called. pertabbations. Uh and it begins to heat the core of the. earth. And that causes uh it shifts. rotation and right now Japanese. scientists are saying that the the core. is slowed or possibly even stopped. I. don't know if your guests have talked. about that. And the as the core goes. through these cycles. So you look at a.

cross-section of the Earth. There's the. inner core that's solid. The outer core. is molten. Then the mantle is about. 1,800 miles thick and it's it's magma. And then the crust is only about 36. miles thick. So. in the the the textbooks, the inner core. always looks like it's floating right in. the middle of the earth, but that's not. what's happening. When it goes when. those particles are hitting it and. heating it up, it actually bumps up. against the outer core causing ripples,

pertabbations is what they're called, uh. against the mantle, and the mantle. begins to seep into the crust. And it's. the mantle that is heating the oceans. from underneath because of that. happens. about every well about every 12,500. years. And that number if you talk to. Randall, we just did a conference in. Boulder. Uh he was in the conference. that we did up there and and that uh has.

to do with the younger dus if I think. you've had guests talking about. >> so the last the younger dus was the last. time that this happened. It happened. 12,500 years before that. 12,500 years. before that. You can I've got a chart. You can see it's like clockwork. I'm. looking at that NA NASA thing and it. said I went to the website it says that. it's rising because the ocean is. absorbing the gases causing the water to. rise over time. >> The the ocean is abs that's the.

equilibrium it's outgassing. >> uh and it's also there's a an. equilibrium between what we're creating. in the at and we are creating in the. atmosphere. You have to be honest about. it. We're creating carbon dioxide and it. the ocean is is what's called the sink. It's the CO2 sink that is is he that's. soaking that up. So what's happening, Joe, is the mantle is is being. disturbed. It is heating the oceans from. underneath, releasing the carbon dioxide. into the atmosphere, and that's where.

that's coming from. When we look into. the geologic history, uh we've seen this. happen before, and it's it's intense, it's brief, and it's what comes after. that usually is a problem. It's not the. warming, it's the. >> Could you put that quote back up, please? >> Mhm. >> That this was what was interesting. underneath it. It said, "Covering more. than 70% of the Earth's surface, our. global global ocean has a very high heat. capacity. It has has absorbed 90% of the. warming that has occurred in recent.

decades due to increasing greenhouse. gases. So, so this is acknowledging though that. there has been an increase in the. temperature because of our civilization. because of greenhouse gases. >> There's an increase in CO2, >> but so but it's saying an increase in. warming. >> in warming. >> has occurred because of increasing. greenhouse gases. So what you're saying. is these greenhouse gases, >> we're contributing to it, but it's not. the primary.

>> It's not the primary and the modeling is. the problem. Jamie, would you please. >> So what you can I go but before we go. any further, if we didn't exist at all, if there was no industrial civilization, we existed like hunter gatherers. Would. we have no impact? Would it be the exact. same thing or would it be a fraction of. a degree warmer because of human. society? >> I think we have to be honest. Uh I don't. have the numbers on this. I think we. have to just be honest and say we are. contributing to some degree. >> So to some but you feel like it's a.

minor degree and if even if we were. hunter gatherers the same pattern of. earth warming would still be going on. >> All we need to do is go back. There's an. orange chart on there Jamie and you look. at the Jurassic plea scene. We weren't. right there. Right here. >> Yeah. And you can see the black uh I. think is the is the black the CO2? >> Yes. It says atmospheric CO2 and the. blue is global temperature. >> How high it's been. And look at the the. temperatures times when it's it's high. Uh look in the orange over here when the.

CO2 is high. Temperatures. >> What's up, Jamie? The 500 million years. ago. >> I know. Nuts, right? >> Yeah. So So we weren't there. And this. is what you can see from We don't have. like a lot of data from back then, do. we? what was going on. >> Uh data comes from different sources. You've got ice cores and then. >> I know that's I mean just. >> Yeah. >> How are they getting data from 500. million years ago? >> You get it from seafloor sediments. >> Gez is one of the things you can do. there. There's a little sea creature. called the globgerina. >> Are those tests getting better as we get. >> like more recently and.

>> now I guess. >> So so. we can go into this as as deep as you. want. What I'm want you to see here is. there's not a direct correlation between. CO2 and temperature in the past. We can. say that. And we can also see that CO2. levels have been higher in the past than. they are now. Uh and Earth was lush. It. was green. Uh life was flourishing. >> As Randle Carlson always says, global. cooling is what's really. >> Now, now here's now I'm going to tie it.

back in to what we began this. conversation with. There's a concerted effort to remake the. world and to remake our bodies. If I did a little experiment in January. of last year and I said, "Okay, what if. we met all of the climate goals? What. would Earth look like?" I'm not going to. push back against them. I just say, >> let's just say, what would if you just. zero. >> carbon? We're only at 240 parts per. million right now, which historically is.

low. We're we're on the low end right. now. If we were to meet those goals, they want us to go back to we would meet. the goals. It would push it back to. aboutund and or 236 parts per million is. what they're looking at. 180 parts per. million is dangerously low. So they're. and this isn't something like you can. just take a dial and and adjust a little. bit here and there. They are are pushing.

if we were to meet those goals, Earth. would have, by the way, they're also. pushing for global cooling of 10° global. average. We're at 56 Fahrenheit global. average. Right now, they want 46. degrees. The last time on Earth we had. those kinds of temperatures and that. kind of CO2 was the pleaene era. It was. not good for us. It's not good for life. It's not good for humans. Who are they? >> They are.

>> Why would they want to do such a. self-destructive thing? Do they know. this? Do they know this data? >> Well, let's break it down, Joe. Let's. just let's step through this. >> Okay, let's step through this. >> Climate. >> Yes. >> If we were to meet those climate goals, it's not good for us. All right, let's. put that. >> as a a human species. >> As a human species, let's put that over. here. >> Okay, >> we're being pushed for war. And I think. you can see that. uh and the nations of the earth that.

have the capability for war are waging. that war. And what's happening is we're. depleting our resources as nations. We. are and I just did a search on this the. other night. Uh the superpowers are. dangerously low on weapons and on the. the ability humans to fight in those. wars. If Earth ever needed to fight, we. don't have what we need right now. So. our our weapons are being depleted. Okay, let's put that over here. Now. there's a concerted effort to break the.

social bonds that have held us together. as societies, as nations, as. communities, and that is working very. successfully. We're we're breaking down. those borders. That's not good for us. That's not good for anyone. Now you look. at the transhuman movement to replace us. with technology, with machines to to. debilitate our ability for critical. thinking, our ability for imagination,

for creativity, uh for all the reasons that we just. talked about, use it or lose it. When we. give our power away to that technology, we're not the best version of ourselves. That's not good for us. None of those. are good for us. So if I said that to. you, what would you say to me? Who would that. be good for? If it's not good for us, who's it good for? >> Satan. >> Well, now is where you go back and you. look at all those ancient texts, you.

look at the the and depending on what. language you're using. If you're looking. at Sumerian texts, this world um was never ours to begin. with is what those texts say. And there. is a good argument that can be made that. earth is being modified in ways that are. not necessarily good for us. Who are. they good for? That there's a whole. conversation that we can have, you know, around around that. So, >> so you think climate is a part of this.

whole agenda of control? >> I do. >> Yeah. Well, >> I think I think there's a comp and it's. not just my opinion. I think the. evidence supports that because why would. we want to push this planet back? I mean. NASA says we're greener now than we have. been in 20 years. Why would we want to. push this planet back to. uh to the environment of the plea to. scene era? >> Well, we want to have control over. things all the time. And when you see. certain areas that become too hot for a.

certain kind of agriculture or things. change or certain lakes dry up, there's. things like that that happen that people. freak out about because we want control. That's why we want to bring animals back. from extinction. Like we we we want. control over everything around us. because it makes us feel better. But the. problem with this one is you're getting. people that are saying we're going to. lower the earth temperature. Like you. didn't we didn't vote on that. like ju. just because it's your idea and you. people are moving in this direction, you. have so much money, you're making a. decision for literally 8 billion.

>> unelected unelected officials. >> It's nuts. It's nuts that they think. they could spray things in the sky to. reflect particles, reflective particles. to to dull out the sun and lower the. temperature of the earth. Like that. that's an insane notion. >> and especially if we're moving into. cooler anyway. all of this. I mean, so. now we've identified these things. >> I think it's useless to be angry. I. think what we do is we recognize, Joe, that all of these applications of. technology are a reflection of the way.

we've been conditioned to think about. ourselves. When we wake up to become the. best version of ourselves, then we. recognize it makes sense to go clean and. green. It makes sense to to grow our. food differently. It makes sense to have. different kinds of energy because we. recognize our relationship to ourselves. in the world around us, >> right? Not because we're being. manipulated. >> Exactly. Exactly. It could be done the. right way. Like the real issue that we. have as a society, one of the not the.

but war is obviously the but one of the. big ones is pollution. Like that is. undeniable. Oh yeah. when you see like. what's going on in India with some of. those rivers where it's just the the. entire river is just choked up with. plastic. >> I've been there. I've seen that. >> That is insane that as a as a human race. that we allow that. That's insane. Like. but then you look at places like is it. Singapore Jamie that we watched that. video where it was fascinating their I.

believe it's Singapore. um where they. have like the most sophisticated. recycling program, like unbelievably. efficient. And they take that stuff and. use it to pave the roads. They they burn. things down, specific materials they. have. I mean, it's an insane job they do. of of taking the the garbage. So, we. know it's possible. >> It is possible. So, everything we're. talking about is a consequence of what. happens when we give our humanness away.

and we believe that we are a flawed. species and that we need something. outside of ourselves to be the best. version of ourselves or that we believe. we're powerless. So, we say to someone. else, fix it and make it better. >> Right? >> We're now right now and the AI is. driving this conversation. We are at the. point where we are are being asked by. the conditions of the world to accept. the deep truth of what it means to be. human. And in that humanness, when we.

accept our ability that there's a part. of us that doesn't live in here, what. that means is the more that we can honor. the antenna, the gift of the body to. access that, we become healthier. We. become the best version of ourselves, we. begin to live differently. We begin to. eat differently. We begin to recycle. differently. We use energy differently. because we're living in the world a. reflection of the new honor and respect.

that we have for the gift of our bodies. And nobody's telling our young kids. anything like this. >> No, >> we have to protect our children. >> It would help everybody just to think. that way. It would help everybody. >> Well, this is no matter what you're. trying to do with life. >> Well, this is but the AI right now is is. the tip of the spear. This is what. they're using. they again uh the the. powers that be. because we're so close, Joe, for the. first time in a very long time on a mass.

level to awakening to what it means to. be human. There are pockets. >> that are coming together and we're. saying no no to war. We're saying I. think in this generation I think you. will see us walk away from the use of. war to solve our problems. What happens. if they throw a war and nobody nobody. goes? I think you're going to see that. happen because people are saying this. isn't right. This isn't right. >> Well, that's a very powerful message and. I hope you're right. Um but if there was.

one thing that I feel like most people. would bet on is that there's always. going to be war. >> I I think not the way not the way we're. seeing it. Not the way we're seeing it. right now. not the way this ties in to. the disclosure conversation because when. you talk to the people behind the scenes. in disclosure, we obviously I don't. think anybody. would have a problem with a flying. saucer in an air air force hanger. somewhere. We've we've seen it in movies. where, you know, I don't think anybody's.

surprised, but I don't think anybody's. got a problem with with a a gray alien, you know, in in an Air Force conference. room somewhere. But the implications. if we've had this relationship for so. long, we know they didn't get here on a Chevy. V8 engine. I mean, they've got some. pretty high tech, >> right? Uh and what the part of the. implications are that we are being asked. to step up.

to become a different species to to meet. the intelligence that is being offered. to us. And. there are different forms of that. intelligence. some of that intelligence. is prone to war and that's not the ones. that we we want to to necessarily um. >> that's hard to believe that they get so. far they could travel from other places. in the universe yet they still have war. >> That's the disappointing thing for me.

And so this is where we go back to the. ancient texts. They begin with a war in. the heavens. >> or what the Bible calls, you know, the. the fall. >> And the war is what destroyed a planet. in our solar system. I think Randall's. probably talked about that. >> Well, that's the the kooky theory about. Mars, too, right? >> Mars used to have an atmosphere. It. doesn't anymore. And they believe that. um there is. a compelling argument that could be made. for war destroying. I think when we get.

there and we see the archaeological. remnants that are there, uh I think. we'll have the answer to that. But that. is scary, isn't it, Joe? You have be so. advanced and still have the. still allow differences to be so great. that the only way to solve them is is to. hurt one another and destroy one. another. >> But also makes for great science fiction. movies. It does because without the war. in space, you have no Star Trek, you.

know, you have no Star Wars. >> Well, maybe this is where we break that. cycle. Maybe maybe we wake up our. humanness and we accept the power of. human divinity and we accept what it. means. Uh and we imbue our children with. a deep sense of of and a healthy sense. that there's something very special. about them worth preserving so that they. care about themselves and then that. begins to inform the way we live in the. world and we would be living in a very. very different world. I think you're.

right and I think you saying that is. very important because it gets that word. out there and people start to consider. it and think about it and I think that's. the only way people find these things is. for people like you come out and have. these conversations and spark thoughts. in people's head like maybe I'm thinking. and behaving and living the wrong way. and maybe maybe we could just. >> become more united and more positive and. recognize this incredible gift that we. have of this life. >> but look what the science see the. science the science science is is so.

compartmentalized and I saw this when I. was working in even in the industry. So. a discovery is made in genetics. and it stays in that genetics box and it. gets published in some obscure. the new way of thinking is looking at. humans from an IT perspective. So there. are journals like the journal of soft. computing. I didn't even talk about. that. The journal of soft computing has. just come out and said that human DNA. three-dimensional human DNA is a fractal.

antenna. Now what's that mean? An. antenna tunes to a signal. A fractal. antenna tunes to a vast array of signals. across a broad spectrum. We got 50. trillion of them in our bodies. And the. journal is saying that. But who reads. that? Who's reading the journal of soft. comput? Who has. >> Thank God you are. Who who has who has a. beautiful hardbound copy of the journal. of soft computing next to their bed like. I do? >> Well, the fact that you know it, you. just told people now people know. >> Yeah. So, it's it's a very different way. of thinking. But if we can begin seeing.

ourselves and really I think the. greatest task that we're cherish that. we're that we're tasked with right now. is to cherish. and honor and care for the gift of the. human body because I believe it is a. gift because there was an intervention. that created the mutations that give us. what we have today. We don't know who or. what, but we're not the product of. natural evolution. And until we understand fully what that.

is, Joe, why would we want to give that. away to technology before we even know. what it means to be human? And once we. give it away, we can never go back. This. is how you lose a species. And I think. we're worth preserving. And my that's my. message. I I'm advocating for our. humanness, for our divinity, for our our. love. Um because that's what sets us. apart from all our forms of life. And I. think we're worth preserving. I I agree. with you 100% and I appreciate you very.

much and thank you very much for coming. on here. It was a lot of fun and let's. do it again. >> Are you Are you saying we're finished? >> Yeah, we're done, man. We are almost. three hours. >> Oh, wow. Okay. >> Crazy. >> All right, Joe. Well, thank you very. enjoyed it. Thank you. >> You know, thank you. You are just an. amazing listener and I appreciate the. long format and the opportunity to flesh. out these ideas in their entirety. So, thank you for that. >> Well, it's my pleasure. Thank you for. being interesting so I could just. listen. It's like, but it's, you know, uh, I only have people on the podcast. that I'm interested in. So, uh, when I. saw a lot of your stuff online, I'm.

like, this guy's fascinating. >> Oh, thank you. >> And it was great. I really enjoyed it. Thank you very much for doing our next. >> All right. Thank you. We'll do it again. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].