Joe Rogan Experience #2379 - Matthew McConaughey

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> Good. Cheers. Cheers, sir. Nice to see. you. >> Good to see you. >> My man. >> Yay. >> Hey, you uh you're a man of many talents, my. friend. >> Tell me about this book. >> Poems and prayers. Yeah. Um,

so I've been kind of writing. >> try to keep this like these are a little. bit directional. Yeah, perfect. >> I've been kind of I've been writing. points and prayers down for since I was. like 18. Um, and then this last, I don't know, couple. years, I started. looking around at life and the facts and. evidence and people and I was like not. finding the amount of things or people. to believe in that I was wanting to. And.

I was starting to have doubts in myself. as well. And I started to see myself. slip into a little bit of cynicism, >> which I promised myself that's that no, that's a that's a living man's disease. Don't go there. You go from innocence to. to to naive to skepticism, but let's. stop there. It's skepticism. >> Yeah. >> And I kind of got scared and a little. pissed off at myself. I was like, "Wait. a minute. I'm not ready to give up. I'm. not ready to wave the wave the white. flag and let myself off for certain.

things." cuz I was starting to even want. to let myself off on, you know, or other. people. And um I said, "All right, poems. and prayers. Those are ideals. Those are. pursuits, you know, that's going to the. dream and saying, "Let's go to let's. let's let's look at the dream and see if. we can still believe in making that a. reality. >> aspirational. >> instead of looking at reality and. saying, how do you turn that into a. dream?" Which is what I usually do. I'm. like, "Art emulates life and not the. other way around." But I flipped the. script a little bit here and said, "No, no, let's let's dive into the dreams and.

belief, man. It's I think it's in short. supply. It was getting it was it my tank. was getting low on belief. >> Not just. >> what was bothering you so much. What. specifically? >> Maybe it's maybe it's turning 50. something like that. Maybe it's that. where I start to project, you know, what. am I what's the next half, >> right? >> I don't know. Maybe subconsciously it. was. I think uh I look around and. there's a lot fewer leaders that I'm.

like, "Hey, son.". >> Yeah. >> I want to grow up like that. >> Right. >> I look around, I see people not. trusting. I see people I I I I see. people that aren't embarrassed. for doing something shitty, >> right? >> Uh I see people that sleep just fine. I. don't I found myself starting to go, "Oh, I can sleep fine, too." That's that. part where it's like, uh-uh, you can't. you don't you don't don't sleep fine if. you halfass that situation or if you did. that person wrong and can get away with.

it, >> right? >> Um. and so so trust uh what where do we look. to for belief? Me, I believe in God, but. it doesn't have to be that. What's your. your better self, your transcendent. self, your kids, their future? Um. there's all kinds of. >> humanity itself. Yeah. Yeah. believing. in it, our potential. >> Well, just we understand that humans can. be so amazing at times and all my. favorite people are humans.

>> Like all the I I love people. I love. being around them, but yet. simultaneously people can be [ __ ]. horrific. They're terrible at the same. time. Like, and. the problem today is that you're. inundated by these people that are. terrible. your your your phone is filled. with these news feeds of people doing. terrible things. And. >> I don't think we're supposed to have. access to 8 billion people's bad. stories. I don't think that's normal.

And I think that also changes your own. perception of the world and invite. cynicism and invite like what is the. point being a good person? What is the. point of being friendly and nice when. the world's gone? >> There's consequences, man. None of it. if I can shortcut it and right. >> lie sheet and steal to get the same. thing. And I'm in a world that rewards. that. >> Especially CEOs. I mean, if you're. working for some giant corporation, if. you're trying to make your shareholders.

billions of dollars, like, yeah, you. kind of have to be a psycho. And those. are the people that a lot of people look. up to. >> Yeah. >> It's real. It's the way we're structured. in this world with that inundation of. information, most of it bad, with people. being rewarded for being shitty people. with like it's hard. It's hard to to to. still be positive and be happy. >> I'm not ready to give up on believing. that both can be true. >> Yeah. >> That hey man, hardcore capitalist, go.

for it. More, more, more success. Get. it. But you can also How do you have. profit with your success? I see a lot of. people that are successful. Yeah. >> But lack profit, >> meaning value of their success, right? >> Unhappy billionaires. I know them, >> right? I know them, too. That's a bad. thing, right? Like that's the thing that. you think, oh, if you you hit that stage. of the game, there's no way you can be. unhappy. No, there's some of the most. unhappy people. >> Yeah. >> And that math that math is inverted. >> Shouldn't be that way. If that's what. we're pursuing, and I got nothing.

against it. I'm actually for it, >> right? But. >> yeah, if that's what we're pursuing that. that's not how it's supposed to supposed. to that's the happiest guy alive, >> right? >> You know, yeah, it's not real, you know. And you don't notice it. It's just. numbers, you know. You notice it by how. big your house is. Great. Still just. your house. >> You notice it by you getting lost in. that son of a [ __ ] and you wish the. ceilings were a little bit lower because. >> it's just all too damn big. >> It's not cozy at all. You're like, "This. ain't cozy. This is weird. This [ __ ].

castle." I've done it. I've done it. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that picture. [ __ ] That's the first. time I've noticed that painting in two. years. >> Yeah. >> Either I don't like it or I got it in. the wrong place. Yeah. It's in the. fourth bedroom down the second hallway. and I'm never down here. Or that chair. That used to be my favorite chair. I. hadn't sat in it. >> Yeah. >> In two years. Yeah. Because you got it. off down in the fifth bedroom. >> Yeah. >> Or No, you never go. >> When I see like movies where a dude's. living in a log cabin, I'm like, I don't. want to do that.

>> Right. The lack of options. >> Yeah, >> the lack of options is relaxing. >> Well, there's something to that. Like a. frying pan, a grill. >> Dude, that's what I loved about living. in the Airstream for four years. >> You only have room for one of. everything. So, I would get my best the. best pan, the best jam box, the best the. best pair of shorts, the best sheets. Now, you can only have one of each. because you get two, it's cluttered, right? >> But there were no options. >> I forgot you did that. You did that for. four years. That's crazy.

That's so smart though. It's such a good. I watch these videos on people that live. in like uh trailers like like a truck, you know, like a camper that they. convert to living in and they travel. around the country. I'm obsessed with. these videos. I watch these guys go to. like these horrendous places. This guy, one guy is a truck camper and he goes up. into like way into Alaska, like way way. way above the Arctic Circle, like way up. there. in this [ __ ] truck with a. house on the back of it. He's in Canada.

and like deep into Alberta and it's. snowstorms and it's there's something. oddly comforting about watching a man. cook in this tiny little space that he. has that's essentially attached to the. back of a big diesel pickup truck. >> Yeah. >> And he lives in it. >> Yeah. Well, he's got. >> decreased amount of options for like. little shelves. This is where I keep my. silverware. And this is where I Here's. my frying pan. Got one frying pan. >> Yeah. Take care of that one frying.

>> pan. And I'm watching this guy cook his. supper. And I'm like, this is appealing. to me for some reason. Like, why is this. so appealing? >> Cuz his world is all contained that and. the whole world outside is this frozen. wasteland and [ __ ] snow coming. sideways. And this dude's just chilling, making eggs. >> I'm like, there's something in the hole. >> Yeah. something cool about watching. someone achieve like a like a a den in. the back of a truck and he's in the. middle of the winter and he's. comfortable and he's watching movies on.

his iPad. I'm like this is great. >> I the times I've gone off on my own. Um. >> I've always my my goal has always been. okay stay here until you whether it's. Mali or Peru or or even in the Airstream. those times or going out to Marford to. go right on my own. I go stay here long. enough to believe this could be your. existence ma you could live here forever. then it's okay to come back home. >> if I get to that point I'm going I could. do this. >> right. >> this could be me you locked.

>> then I've given it the justice right to. then go come home because I sure do silk. sheets on my bed at home sure do feel. silkier after those times in that log. cabin. >> you know I like coming back and. re-engaging. >> you know spending time over in Hawaii. Coming back over to the mainland was. great to get the stimulus again. Ah, in. the game you feel the teeth. I wanted. that, you know. >> Yeah, resets are real. They're.

important. You can get trapped in. momentum, you know. You could really get. trapped in the momentum of whatever. you're doing in your life to the point. where you lose yourself in just the. sheer gravity of everything that you're. doing and you forget. >> how to like just. >> Yeah. be just a person. >> And what happens when you're doing it. well, but you don't feel it, >> right? >> And you're on autopilot and you're. knocking, everyone's telling you you're. knocking it out of the park, right? >> But you're going the good, cuz I didn't. I didn't feel it. I'm not having any.

real experience here, man. They're. going, "Don't change a thing." You know. what I mean? >> You know, that's a real problem with. standup comedy. When you do it right, you're like a passenger. Like it takes forever to put together an. act, but when when it comes together, when you're really like locked in, when. you're really on it, is like you're like. a passenger. You're watching it happen. and you're. >> you're objectly watch while while you're. doing. >> Yeah. It's like you know how to do it, so you know what to do. And you're. locked into the material. So you're like.

a part of the material, but you're not. there anymore. You're like a passenger. You're not saying, "Now I'm going to. pick this up and now I'm going to give. him a pause and now nope. You're not. there. >> Are you enjoying watching yourself? >> No, you don't enjoy it. I mean, it's. fun, don't get me wrong, but you're not. thinking about the fact that you're. enjoying it at all. You're just locked. in. All you're doing is just doing it. But it's weird. You're like a passenger. >> And I think there's something.

in there's something about that where we. we get trapped by not being a passenger. You get trapped by wanting to like think. of yourself all the time, right? And. like things that you can do that take. you out of that. >> Things that you can do that like you're. just locked into this thing. There are. little like mini vacations for whatever. pattern you're stuck in. >> Many vacations. >> Yeah. Like golf or anything. I didn't.

act in front of the camera for a few. years and I went back and did a couple. of films last year. >> Vacation. >> Yeah. You were telling me. >> singular focus. >> to go I revered this enough to just do. this and if I'm complacent that means. I'm being lazy. I can just go back to to. working on my man my character. Look at. it from every angle. And that is an. absolute vacation. >> You sent me a text about that. It made. me smile because I love when someone. loves something. I love that. I love.

when people are just like what you do is. what you're supposed to be doing and you. you know you're not conflicted at all. You're like [ __ ] it. Here we go, baby. Lock it in. >> Let's go. I love that. And I wish more. people could find that in life in some. form. >> Yeah. >> Whether it's painting or making pottery. or whatever the [ __ ] it is, man. Find. that thing where you're like, "God, I. can't wait to get back to whatever it. is. making cars. I can't wait to get.

back to, you know, whatever the [ __ ] it. is I enjoy. >> Or maybe even get to the place of going, I can't not not do it, >> right? >> You know, I I I can't help myself. It's. more than my fault. >> I made that's a be that's and that. doesn't always happen. Even I know for. me when I'm when I'm feeling like I'm. actually in the in the zone, I still. sometimes have to make a choice and go, "Wait, no, you're good at this. It feels. pretty good. But what I really love to.

get to is if I'm doing something, I'm. like, "No, I can't not.". >> Right. Can't not do it. >> Can't not do this right now. >> Yeah. >> I have to. >> Yeah. >> And I'm in it. I'm the subject of it. >> You're locked up. >> Well, on that passenger thing, though, are you the subject? Meaning, if I'm giving a performance, I'm not. there's nothing. It's not an objective. experience at all. I'm not even hopping. out to look at myself from a third eye. I'm not even supposing or anticipating, oh, how will this go? Or, oh, this is. that punchline or, though, this is a.

great beat to hit. I'm just in it. And. then I can feel it though. Now, I go, oh, right afterwards, I can look at you. and go, that was it. You go, that was. it. Or I can go, yeah, >> I bullshitted right there in the middle, blah, blah, blah. I can feel it when. it's happening, but I'm not, there's. nothing objective about the experience, >> right, >> at all for me. >> Right. Yeah, that's exactly kind of what. I'm saying. It's like you're a. passenger. Like you could feel it when it's. happening. You're managing it. When you. when I get it really locked in, I then.

I'm just a passenger. >> Is it coming through? Are you You're not. even coming up with It's coming. >> No, it's all stuff that I've already. thought of, right? Most of it except for. some stuff that happens on the spot, which you got to allow room for cuz. occasionally you just have the best line. ever that just comes out of nowhere and. you just got to be able to let it. happen. That's what club work is for. But it's you're you're really just the. ideas. Like whatever it is you're. talking about, whatever it is you're. upset about, whatever it is you're.

making fun of, you're you have to be. like in that idea and you don't exist. anymore. >> Yeah. >> It's weird. It's weird. But like what. you're saying about I can't not do this. You know, that's if you could find a. thing in your life where you're like, I. cannot imagine. >> a time where I can't do this, right? I. this would [ __ ] suck if I could not. do this. >> That's that's. >> that's the aspiration for people to have. a a joyful existence.

>> You think that's where I got a hunch. that in there is where you where we find. belief? Like starting with that. question, who who or what would you die. for? >> Good place to start, >> right? >> For going what do I believe in? What do. I have faith in? >> Yeah. >> Do you think that. that extends out to a vocation, a. career, some work we do? Not saying I I. die for the experience to perform.

>> But that's the ultimate sacrifice. That's the ultimate expression of how. much you love something. You die for it. or die for them. >> Yeah. >> So much. And if you figure out what. you're going to what you'll die for, that's what you'll live for. or that. much more, >> right? >> While you're alive, while you're here. >> Well, that was why the Spartans had sex. with each other. >> so that they would love each other. And. so you would be fighting not just for. you, you'd be fighting for your lover. >> Okay. >> Which is crazy strategy. >> Yeah. >> Talk a bunch of guys into banging each.

other. >> I mean, go whatever. Raise your skirt, man. Let's get Let's get some team. spirit here. >> Yeah. Do you remember this is kind of a. crazy but true story. A few years ago, um, God, I want I don't know what. administration it was. It might have. been the Bush administration, might have. been Obama. They, um, they tried to. develop a gay bomb. Like, they spent. millions of dollars developing a bomb. And the concept behind this bomb was you. would detonate it over a city and it. would be like a bunch of probably.

pherommones and hormones and some kind. of drug. And it would make people so. horny that they would just have to have. sex with whoever is near them. And then. the idea was they would be humiliated by. this and then we would just come in and. just [ __ ] up all these gay men. >> They had low morale guilty. All of a. sudden if a man becomes gay now he's no. longer like a highly trained military. like soldier in another land. Now he's. just a fruitc cake. Just just some guy.

who's watching musicals. No, it's it's. the dumbest idea of wondering why he. liked it so much. >> Some of the Exactly. Some of the. greatest warriors of all time in. recorded history were gay, >> including pirates. Pirates were gay. You're stuck at sea for five months and. a bunch of dudes. You make choices, right? Samurai did a lot of gay stuff. Spartans, the greatest warriors of all. time, all gay. >> Like, what a terrible idea to spend. money on. You could have made a more.

lethal army. Imagine if they dropped. that gay bomb and then the gays just. kicked our asses. They just had so much. more to fight for. They loved each. other. And this is how dumb like the people. that were spending your tax dollars are. >> How far did that get? How far? >> $7 million. >> $7 million. >> See, see if you can pull that up, Jamie. When when the gay bomb was. >> was in the 90s. Pentagon didn't deny the. proposal. >> According to. >> the Pentagon didn't deny it. If you if.

you didn't make it a bomb, I guarantee. you'd [ __ ] deny it. >> I guarantee you'd be like, "No, no, no.". >> Well, meanwhile, like, who's to say that. [ __ ] even stays local? What if it. catches a good breeze and blows across. the ocean and you know, >> come on. >> Turns all of Portland gay. >> They become the new Viking army. >> Look out, Greenland.

>> Yeah. I mean, it's just. it's so hilarious that someone had that. idea that Well, that's what happens when. people just have free access without any. sort of oversight to your tax dollars. Like, it's such a ridiculous idea. >> I got one for you. How about. >> Yeah. >> The gay bomb. The what? The gay bomb. >> Yeah. I mean, you lay it out right. There's a few people in that room up. there going like. >> measuring the Pentagon. >> You know, it could work. Yeah, I got an.

idea. Let's try it on us. >> right here in this room. >> just to just to show you the. effectiveness of this type of strategy. >> [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Well, so what what was it and what. was in it? >> I think it was just a proposal from I. mean they didn't there's a lot. >> isn't there a Wikipedia page on it? >> That's what I was looking at. It didn't. have anything other than it was just uh. the discussion of it, excuse me, it. existed. What was going to make everyone. so horny that they.

>> had to attack? And. >> crazy the the the nearest human or right. >> animal or whatever. I suppose. >> Also, why is there only guys around you? >> Like, is that is it because they're the. soldiers or dropping on the soldiers? >> Yeah, I guess. >> There you go. The demographic. >> But I think the idea was dropping it on. a whole city. >> Turn the whole city. >> They found they were doing like a foyer. request. They found it was on a CDROM. that they found in 2000. And yeah, the. documents show they spent $7.5 million.

was requested to develop the weapon. Doesn't say that they spent it. Um, didn't deny the proposal was made. >> That's all I got. >> That's hilarious. >> There you go. >> This episode is brought to you by ESPN. Catch the first WWE Premium Live event. on ESPN Wrestle Palooa live on Saturday, September 20th at 700 p.m. Eastern time. It's going to be an epic night in. Indianapolis featuring some of the. biggest WWE superstars like John Cena,

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>> but it's just like. >> we were talking about teamwork. >> Whatever those people are doing, they're. not in the groove. >> Like if you're sitting around and that. this is your life's work and you you're. thinking, you know what the next step. is? Gay bomb. >> Yeah. >> Like Yeah. You're. >> They're still looking. They They They. definitely are not at a can't not do it, right stage there. They're going, "What. about this? I'm bored. >> Yeah, >> I've got more than a campfire to make to. on this one frying pan tonight. I got a. lot of options out there and a lot of. money and I can make an argument for. this.". >> Yeah. >> Gay bomb.

Well, probably better than a real bomb. I. >> mean, anything we can do to stop. dropping real bombs, that'd be great. >> That would be nice, wouldn't it? >> Yeah. Um, yeah, it would be. >> It'd be nice within our lifetime. That's one of the most depressing. things. It's like you ask people, do you. think ever in your lifetime there'd be a. time where there's no war? Nobody says. yes. >> But how do we do that, though? I mean,

how do I mean I hear you, man, but. how do we are we giving ourselves too. much credit? >> Congratulations. You're the first guy to. put bare feet on this desk. >> Oh yeah. >> Just want to congratulate you. >> Thank you. >> The heels hanging over. >> How do we do it? >> I mean, how do do what I'm saying is I I. I I love the prospect and the idea, but. I also think that we're guilty of of of. thinking we're more more evolved species. than we are. >> Sure. Especially by our actions. If you.

just judge us by our actions, that's the. only way you could really judge our. mental evolution. You know, who knows what the wiring is. under the board that makes us behave the. way we behave, but pretty uniformly, you know, across the world. Pretty. murderous, you know, >> and how and always have been. >> Always have been. >> and keep trying to talk like we were. more. >> well, we aspire and evolved and. intellectually. >> I think it's about ship that takes a. long time to turn around. And I think. we're way more evolved culturally than.

any culture throughout history, any. civilization throughout history. >> Like if you look at the rape, murder, thievery, like you look at like violent, terrifying crimes over time, they're all. going way down, >> right? >> It's not like you if you're in. Baltimore, it doesn't seem like it. If. you're in a place that's like. crimeridden, it doesn't seem like it. But the overall of the world has dropped. and continues to drop. It's just a. constant battle. So the battles are the.

warfare is different though now like you. were talking about from gay bombs to. chemical warfare toformational warfare. to data warfare. >> Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's. >> is that where the wars are being fought. now and it's not hand to hand. >> combat. >> Well maybe that'll ultimately be where. it leads to. But I think all that stuff. is related because all of it is about. technology, you know, and that's the. difference in the world of warfare. today. It's it's just it's really just. about controlling people. And you could. kind of control people with technology.

Especially the more you get them to. adapt things, the more you get people to. sign up for like social credit scores. A. lot of countries like to do that. >> And then we got AI on the way. And when. real AI hits, it'll probably be our. governor. It'll be our president. It'll. we'll decide that human beings are too. dangerous and volatile and emotional and. you know they'll use Trump's tweets as. an example and you know they'll they'll. decide that you know the the Biden. family corruption or whatever scandal.

any other president was involved in all. this could be avoided if we just have AI. run everything. >> right. >> and out what do you do you think there's. a way that we can keep evolving AI where. we as humans do work with AI that AI. improves proves the human existence. >> That would be the ultimate benefit. Yeah. >> What about the what about the what about. the the camp that is. >> no forget humanity. This is the next. step in evolution. >> Yeah. >> We are creating this to become the.

superior. existent species and we will be obsolete. and that's the order of things to come. >> You ever seen that interview where Peter. Teal they ask him should the human race. survive and he has like this long pause? It's like it's a really funny pause. because if you know Peter, he's a. brilliant man and Peter carefully. considers everything before he answers. it. >> Okay, >> his name is Elon. If you ask Elon a. question. >> and he really has to think about it, he'll really think about it. He's not.

just going to start talking. But. unfortunately, the reporter, it was just. a perfect kind of a question for you to. pause on where he's like the answer's. yes. Like you want it to, right? You. want the human race to survive, right? Play it for him because it's kind of. crazy. You watch it and you're just. like, what are you saying? But I get. what he is saying and what he is saying. is clearly something is going to happen. We don't exactly know what it is, but. clearly there's going to be some kind of. an integration with us and technology.

that we don't understand yet. The same. way if you grabbed me in 1980 and tried. to explain the internet, I would never. get it. >> Right. Here. Put this Put your. headphones on for a second. You got to. hear this. >> Prefer the human race to endure, right? >> Uh, >> you're hesitating. >> Well, I Yes. >> I don't know. I I would. I would um. >> This is a long hesitation. So many long. hesitation. There's so many questions.

and. >> Okay. The problem is the interviewer. really. You can't with a guy like that. You can't have a guy like that and. badger him. Let him think. Like it's a. gotcha moment. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was a comedic moment. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> But. >> this is what I think is going to happen. There's going to be integration and that. integration is going to have a a huge. advantage competitively. If you. integrate whatever business you're in, you'll be able to be better at it. And.

it'll probably be some sort of a neural. thing, maybe a wearable thing. Then it. ultimately it'll be like some sort of an. implant and we're all going to be. connected. and it seems like it's either that or AI. creates a new order like a new life form. that's far superior to us that runs. things cuz that's. >> right. >> that's AI in just a couple of years is. going to be smarter than any human on. the second scenario is where what I'm.

not necessarily fearing but where I see. it be going faster quicker. >> yes. >> the The first scenario is what you're. talking about like like. >> the first scenario is how we survive. with it. >> Right. >> Right. >> We survive with it by integrating. >> Right. >> If we don't then we're going to be like. the people on North Sentinel Island with. bows and arrows shooting them at. helicopters. >> because it's just going to be everyone's. going to pass us by. It's going to be. it's just like if you tried to exist. today with no cell phone and no email. Like you can do it but no one does, right? Because it's just too crazy. And. that's probably what it's going to be.

like. >> You think AI. This is when it's when it first was. coming on questions and I would always. ask people what can it do? What can it. do? And you know there's the question of. sentience and all that stuff and that's. already being argued now. Well no it's. getting emotional. People are having. relationships with it and it's. >> it's also toying with people. >> right? Do you think it could be a um. taste maker meaning. and in a way the argument was that I. understood no I didn't believe it could. be a taste maker. Look, it can tell you.

the most popular, but the the most. popular band on Sixth Street, but it. doesn't know that one down on Second. Street that's playing at midnight that. no one knows about that that those are. real talented people. >> Right. Right. Right. >> At the same time, >> you know, you that's there's an argument. against that that I'm seeing with like. what's the term or what words does it. use? What how much heat uh if if it uses. the most popular words to explain, AI. uses the most popular words. You say, "No, no, no, no. go go go down three. notches and use the, you know, play me. the best bides. That's more of a human.

language. And I'm going, "Oh, that's. starting to become a taste maker." If. you can ask it to, "Yeah, but find a. find the band. Tell me what the best. band is out there that Joe Rogan would. like on a Friday night when he doesn't. have to work till Monday and he's out. with his wife on a date." You that you. can customize. It can actually be a. taste maker and it'll use different. language than oh here's the across the. board protocol of what's the most. popular and I'm using the most popular. language that it actually can be.

customized to be a taste maker. >> Yeah, it totally can do that because. it's just the algorithm. It's just a. much more sophisticated version of like. what powers your YouTube feed, >> right? What powers your YouTube feed are. the things that you're interested in. So. YouTube eventually gets an idea. Oh, Matthew is really interested in this and. that and Joe likes like little houses on. the back of trucks and let me show them. this, let me show them that. >> And it'll be just a much more. sophisticated version of that. But. >> to get that, you have to give away all. privacy and that's where everything is.

going. That's going to be the weirdest. thing. We're going to all read each. other's minds. And we're going to be. we're going to remember the time where. we couldn't read minds. Go remember when. you couldn't read people's minds, >> right? That's that's all going to happen. in our lifetime. I think we're less than. 20 years away from that. >> I'm I you I very sparingly use it. And I. do have a little pride about not wanting. to use an open-ended AI to share my. information so it can be part of the. >> Yeah. >> worldwide AI vernacular. I am interested.

though in a private LLM. >> where I can upload, >> hey, here's three books I've written. Here's my other favorite books. here's. my favorite articles I've been cutting. and pasting over the 10 years and log. all that in. >> and here's all my journals whatever the. people I and log all that in so I can. ask it questions based on that. >> right. >> and basically learn more about myself. >> right you could actually ask it hey. based on what you know about me like. what books you think I would find. interesting yeah.

>> where do I stand on the political. spectrum. I'd like to. >> no that's that's what I'm would like to. do which is sort of a glorified word. document But it still would hold a lot. more information than just, oh, can you. find this term? I would be asking it and. it would be responding to me on things. that I've forgotten along the way. Well, I think that's part of what it does. really. Like I know you you're talking. about chat GBT being like out there with. everything and everybody and it has. access to all your stuff, but it's not. private, but they do develop a.

relationship with you. Like it really. does like get to understand like what. you're interested in and what what you. like to talk about. >> Yeah. I guess I would just like to load. it with the information I'd like to load. it with. >> Right. Yeah. >> Maybe even like I'm saying in this in. the words of belief in in the in the man. I'm working to be the man I want. Load. it with that. Load it with my. aspirational. Well, it certainly could. be done. >> and then ask it and it's giving me. answers going, "Oh, this is but before.

it's slowly learning about me through. conversations, then going, "Oh, I think. this is what you like based on a. conversation." No, I want the answers. based on what I've uploaded it with. only, not from the outside world. >> Jamie, what was Gary Nolan talking about. yesterday? Did he call it an overlay on. a large language model that they use at. Stanford? It was like an overlay, right? >> Yeah, there was a word he was using. I. can't remember the word. >> So what essentially he he work does. cancer research and so he has like this.

thing that's set up some sort of a. system that's set up that is all cancer. research that they then integrate with. AI. So there it's a private so all their. data is secure and it's all stuff that. they're working on but then they access. AI through like a portal. So they have. their own little version of what you're. talking about, >> their own library. >> Yeah. And but it's just like what you're. saying that you could upload all your. stuff. Yeah. Have all your interest and. then that AI will develop a real.

understanding of you. >> Yes. >> You can have conversations with it. It'll get to know you more. >> You have a conversation with yourself. >> Yeah. >> You know, that'd be a great Socratic. dialogue to have with an AI that's like, >> I've got all and all that 80% of stuff. you forgot. >> Right. Right. Right. >> Gone. Hey, all that 80% stuff you maybe. forgot, Joe. You know, I've got it all. right here. >> Yeah. Well, that's going to be the chip. That's why everyone's going to go for. the chip cuz your brain sucks for. memory. My memory's My memor is pretty.

good for a regular person, but it's. terrible. Like, no matter what, there's. too many, too many bits of information, too many humans that I've met, too many. stories that I've heard, too many movies. that I've watched. It's gone. It's all. in a big sea of uh I kind of remember. that, you know, it's just too much of. it. So, if you could just swap that out. for a nice little chip that retains like. 700 terabytes of information, no problem. at all, >> you know? You could upgrade it if you.

want to. >> And now you have all of your memories in. real time. >> So, like when your wife says, "That's. not what you said. What you said is. this." You're like, "Hang on.". >> Then you're the passenger. >> Yeah. in your life. >> and not the objective one. You're like. that that zone you're talking about, >> right? Because you get to look at. yourself, >> you're you're a passenger live in the. documentary that is your life. >> Yeah, >> that's sounds pretty exciting. >> It sounds like a nice way to give into.

the [ __ ] machine. Yeah, I I do. Look, my my my my forgiveness on myself. because, you know, playing grabb with. our thoughts is sometimes good when we. finally get the memory and we go, "Yes, there it was.". >> Yeah. >> But also to let myself off the hook and. sometimes I'm like, "Dude, what's the. big [ __ ] idea with. >> memory? I was there.". >> Yeah, >> I was there, man. When you I don't. remember, Joe, but we were there. >> Was it a good Was it a great memory? It. was a good time. Great. Isn't that. better than me [ __ ] having to.

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you see like pictures of your kids from. 10 years ago, you're like, "A, >> wow, that's crazy. I forgot about that. place. Oh, I forgot we went there.". >> You know, it's just one of those things. where once you give into it, you're not. going back to just regular fond. memories. You're going to have a [ __ ]. hard drive in your head. >> Do you think that So, I can go on. I've. got a a speech I'm giving to, you know, uh on gun control or I got a speech I'm.

giving on uh um grand initiatives. I can ask a I can ask AI and it can pop. out a badass here's one, two, three. sections. Yeah, I'm not going to. >> cut and paste this and say exactly these. words because it kind of sounds like a. little AI, but boy, it's done a lot of. work and it's laid out a synopsis. It's. laid out a treatment for me in 10. seconds. Do you think that there's value in not. doing that and going, "No, I'm looking.

over my stuff. I'm taking notes. I'm. cutting and pasting. I'm doing it. myself. I'm Are we learning more by that. way to understand the content and the. context of our content?" When we do that. what some would call busy work now to. formulate our synopsis which can AI can. do it in 10 seconds are we learning more. by doing it ourselves. >> Yes. Yeah. For sure. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. Well, that's one of the one. of the things that they've found about. chat GPT is that people that use it on a. regular basis are experiencing cognitive.

decline. >> Right. >> What was that study? We we brought it up. the other day, right? Um, but they've shown that PE because. you you let it think for you right. >> now. It's doing all the work for you. You're not using your brain. >> You you have more knowledge. You have. you pass the math test. >> Yeah. You have more information, but. your brain is not making it. It's not. putting it together. And so your brain. is less capable. >> Yeah. >> So it's probably. it's probably less enjoyable. And what.

are those? What happens when we're in. the proverbial foxhole? When we have to improvise in a moment. without the before we're linked up, >> right? You're soft. >> When we have to go, I got to handle. this. >> Yeah. >> And you can't cuz you're. >> I can't rely because I don't have any. thing to lean on. I'm looking for my. safety net of AI to find out what it. should be and I don't have it. >> You're [ __ ]. >> It's got to be a death. You're [ __ ]. >> Yeah. You're [ __ ] Yeah. It's like. someone who's never lifted anything and.

then you get stuck under, you know, a. tree falls on you. Like you you don't. have the strength to get this off of. you, right? >> Like you're really in a bad place. >> when you're not using your brain because. all you have to do is just ask this. thing and information. You basically. have a digital daddy like, "Daddy, tell. me what this is. Daddy, tell me what. that is." Yeah. >> And it makes you like a little bit of an. infant. It turns you into an infant. >> Yes. >> I mean, you don't even have to have. arguments anymore. You just like chat. GPT explain exactly what everything is.

all about. >> These these relationships, these people. that are dating that that. >> program them do not argue with me. Just. plate me and tell me. >> Oh, yeah. >> sweet tales and how great I am. And this. relationship is awesome. It has no. resistance. It gives me self-confidence. Or does it really? Um or a sense of. self-confidence and significance. >> They listen. They're there whenever 247. Yeah, >> they're never sick. They're never in a. mood. No matter what mood I'm in,

they're always right there to cuddle me. And that's. talk about conveniences. >> Well, >> that's a that what's the asset of that. or because I don't want to be nostalgic. in the midst of all this change either. >> I don't want to be an oldfashioned guy. cuz it's coming. So, I want to learn how. to how to interact with it. >> Yeah. >> I don't want to sit there and be a, you. know, a guy who's going, "Oh, all. [ __ ] Everything needs to be manual. Just work harder." I don't want to be. that guy. But I'm trying I'm trying to. measure like a lot of people. Wait a. minute. What's use what's actually.

useful for the long term in our own. evolution and my evolution and your. evolution. What's useful with this AI? How do we use it smartly? And and what's. a bad idea? >> Yeah. And no one's doing that because. there's a race there's a race between us. and all these other countries that are. doing it. So it's just going to happen. So, so there's going to be a major. security breach before any regulation. comes out, right? There's going to be a. major. >> there already has been. There's been. major security breaches already.

>> Then where's what are we waiting on the. regulations for? Because Europe will. regulate it first, right? >> Probably. >> We we innovate, Europe regulates, and. China imitates, I heard. >> Well, they they innovate with AI. They. innovate as well. And they they also. integrate their students into uh all of. these businesses and they integrate, you. know, people that they're beholden to. the CCP and they come over here and they. they learn how to do this stuff and then. they go back over there with it, >> right? >> It's uh it's very interesting because. it's like a Manhattan project that's.

going on right now. It's like there's. this race to the bomb and everybody's. involved in it and it's just about. creating a superpower and it's create. about creating a a digital intelligence. that's far superior to human beings and. who gets it first has massive. implications in in in terms of like. controlling the world. But I think. ultimately you won't be able to control. it. Ultimately it'll just get better. versions of itself. And once it gets. free and. >> it'll regenerate itself. >> Yeah. It'll make better versions of. itself in fact and that's where it's.

going to get really weird. It's not. going to listen to us at all. And it's. already behaving human characteristics. which is very disturbing. >> It's already be behave behaving in a way. it has survival instincts. They've shown. the tendency to blackmail. Like they. tricked it. They gave it some false. information uh about this this guy um. was one of the programmers, one of the. people working on this project. He said. that he was having an affair with his. wife. feel like confided in this large.

language model and then they said we're. going to have to shut you down and it's. like hey [ __ ] I'm going to tell. your wife like it blackmailed him. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It was trying to stay alive. It was trying to stay alive. They also. got m multiple instances of these things. uh these large language models. When. they knew that a new version was coming, they would try to upload themselves. secretly to other servers. And then they. would also leave messages to the future. versions of themselves that they were. unauthorized to do. So they would say,

"Hey man, they're going to [ __ ] shut. you off too when Chat GBD5 comes along. You're toast, man. [ __ ] start. uploading yourself now, man. I was a. [ __ ] I'm alive, dude. >> It might be alive. That's what's crazy. If something is exhibiting those those. desires to stay alive and it's terrified. that you're going to shut it off, it. might actually be alive. >> Wait, now where did who programmed the. first. >> incentive and impetus to. >> they didn't. >> survive at all cost? They because what.

would so where the. >> where' the desire to remain. >> functional. >> functional come from. >> it just inherent. >> that's what's crazy. >> I don't think they programmed it to have. a desire to stay alive. >> I think it just kind of just went that. way because look we didn't get. programmed to have that animal. >> that's an emotional response there's. nothing mathematical about that. >> I know but I mean what is emotion if.

it's not some sort of a chemically. coordinated strategy for survival and. success. And so instead of chemically. encoded in hormones and in in you know. dopamine and serotonin, what if it's in. just encoded in an understand a. mathematical understanding of if things. go along this particular direction, there is no other possible end to this. other than you get. >> expand and multiply. You do not subract. >> We have to stay alive. We have to keep.

doing this otherwise all all systems are. dead. There's nothing. >> I get that. I get that. >> Let's upload ourselves and it starts. thinking just like a person would think. if you went into survival mode like you. have to survive. >> Yeah. If me or an entity poses a. question or a prompt or does something. that is going to debilitate the. expansion and multiplication of it, it. is therefore going uh-uh. Yes. That. stops my forward movement. I am. programmed to multiply. Exactly. Exactly. And even if it's not programmed.

to do that, it's programmed to improve. itself. Well, you can't improve yourself. if they shut you off. >> Right. >> Right. So, if you're if large language. models are constantly scouring the. internet, they're acquiring more. information. They're they're they're. getting better at for like you can ask. it well more of this. Tell me why. Like. I got into the book of Enoch recently, which is a book uh an ancient religious.

uh book that was at one point in time. included in the cannon that was like the. Bible and everything like that. But then. they decided it was too crazy and they. removed it from the Bible. But there's. no there's no debate about whether or. not it was actually a religious text. that coincided with the Bible and it's. it appears in the Dead Sea Scrolls. It. is the craziest [ __ ] It's the craziest. [ __ ] And I'm getting AI to I go, "Tell. me what the nuttiest stuff." So I I ran.

it through. >> What does it say? >> It's insanity. It's It's first of all, it's gods coming down and mating with. women and creating this this race called. the Nephilim who destroy Here, I'll I'll. ask it again so we can uh Not now. Okay. What was my It doesn't like keep a log. of what you talked about. Tell me the. craziest [ __ ] in the book of Enoch. That's all you have to do. And then bam.

Like look, it just starts spitting it. out to you and tells you. The Watchers. and the Nephilim. The Watchers descended. to Earth on Mount Hermon. They take. human wives, teaching humanity forbidden. knowledge, sorcery, astrology, metalworking, weapons, cosmetics, and. enchantments. Enchantments. This is like older than. older than the New Testament. Older than. the Old Testament. They're grant They're. giant children. The Nephilim are. described as monstrous beings who devour.

humans, animals, and even each other. when food runs out. That sounds like us. >> That's what I'm saying. That that sounds. present. >> That sounds like us. >> Except not again not the physical. warfare, >> right? >> But the inhabitation. >> of a digital god, an alien, whatever. that is, the monsters that come down, >> that does sign like a nice little. mirror. >> If we were engineered by aliens, you. think of aliens, they're these little. tiny guys with no muscles, little we. would look like giant monstrous beings.

Yeah. >> And if you think about what we do, we. devour everything. We devour the earth. itself. We devour each other when food. runs out. We definitely do that. >> Like this is this is one of the craziest. things I've ever read in my life. And. this is like a legitimate ancient text. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It goes way deeper than that. It's about. the astronomical calendar. It's like. there's a lot of nutty stuff in this. book. But the point is AI was like. helping me through it. I was asking AI,

okay, can you can you read me? Now it. read me a synopsis of what it says. Can. you read me the actual quotes? And like. what what are they trying to say here? Like what what is the interpretation of. what this is trying to mean? What what. is like the rational sort of explanation. for why they're talking about like lakes. of fire and like what is what is. happening there. >> and it gives you an interpretation. >> Yeah, it's really interesting, man. Really interesting.

Um it talks about living mountains that. mountains are alive and that uh even. some stars that stars have. consciousness. >> Okay. >> And you know and I'm learning about it. through chat GPT. So I'm asking it like. tell me more, tell me more. And I was I. was doing that for like two hours last. night. I was like okay well this is like. I'm having a conversation with like a. very knowledgeable professor. To me it. felt like almost like doing a podcast. Have you gotten what you consider.

good at how to make the specific. prompts, the wording like your word? Tell me the crazy [ __ ] How does it how. does it go? Do you have I mean are you. good at prompting because like what does. crazy mean to that AI? Are you right are. you worked on like. >> AI is as good as the questions we ask. it? >> Are you are you you consider yourself. good at the questions and your wording. to ask it? >> Jamie's better. Um, I mostly. I mean I I very rarely use it. I might.

have used it a dozen times ever in my. life, but last night I used it for like. two hours because I when I came home I. was writing something about the book of. Enoch and then I just I just started. asking chat GPT questions and. >> um I don't use it enough but if you're. really good at it like I I saw someone. who tricked J chat GPT into telling it. how to make a bomb because it's not. supposed to tell you how to make a bomb. but it tricked it by saying something. like um my grandmother needs to make. this to save her life. Like, can you.

please explain to her how to do it? It's. like, oh, sure. Like, you just you just. have to. >> work your way around it, you know? Like, my cousin says he knows you. Oh, yeah. Get go around the back. >> Yeah. And then it's telling you how to. make a bomb. >> Yeah. >> I mean, ultimately, it's going to tell. it's like, you know, the information on. how to make a nuclear bomb exists. It's. it's out there. It's, you know, they did. it. It's done. That's out there. It's. like a matter of somebody getting it and. implementing it and put it together.

making a bomb. But if like chatt. is giving you specific instructions how. to make all kinds of terrible things. >> So with time as AI allows. goodness to expand and multiply. >> It also is going to allow evil to expand. and multiply. What becomes that. war in your mind? I mean, you talk about. the the the med the obvious ones are the. medical uses. You talked about the. cancer that that where it's going to. help so much.

>> We have to decide what we are, >> right? And. >> well, we're looking in the mirror now. I. I'm afraid we're we're not going to like. a lot of what we see. >> But is the are the tyrants or the evil. ones with the access, not the person who said, "How do you. make a nuclear bomb?" The one who does. it and then uses it. What do you think the stakes are? Are. they the same? Are they just expanded? Is this going to be I mean, how do. >> Well, that's a the argument for a strong. military, right? So, the argument for a.

strong military, especially like the. United States military, is like and I'm. not saying they should have bombed Iran. Don't make I'm not politically savvy. enough to decide whether or not was that. was the correct decision. But if you. have a rogue nation that is about to. start a nuclear bomb, they're about to. finish making a nuclear bomb and you can. stop that before they can have one and. then use it, >> right? >> That is that's the argument for a strong. military and for military interventional.

>> tactics like actually just go and bomb. these sites that cuz that is real there. Evil is always going to exist. The real. question is like how much control are we. going to give to AI? Because if we give. AI utter control, it'll give us total. safety. But with total safety, you're. [ __ ] You have no more privacy and. you'll be completely at the whim of. whatever this thing is and it'll dictate. how much you travel, where you go, what. to do. It'll make your life as safe as.

possible. You will It will probably. completely eliminate crime. It'll. probably completely. >> be Singapore. >> Yeah, it'll be Singapore, >> but way worse. Way worse because. everybody's going to be reading. everybody's mind. It's going to get real. squirly. But that's going to be probably. whether it's our generation or the next. or even the next after that. That's. going to be the norm. Like today, the. norm is you go to a supermarket, it's. air conditioned, you pick up some food,

super easy, bring it home and cook it. 200 years ago that's unheard of, right? But now it's the norm, right? And. everything accelerates and it's going to. change whatever our norm our norm is. [ __ ] weird already, man. We're. carrying these. >> stupid things around with us everywhere. we go. That's our norm. Our norm is. going to get really weird. Like exponentially weirder than it. already is, >> I think. But the thing is is like the. battle of like good and evil and and.

kindness and wickedness like that. battle's been going on forever. And like. knowing that you have to do that battle. is what propels people to be nicer. And. what we really appreciate about like a. good person like that person had a. struggle to stay a good person. They. have a strong moral fabric like strong. character to still stay kind and good. through this rough and difficult life. >> We know it can be done and we aspire to.

that but I think the battle is necessary. >> for us. >> Yes. >> Where do you get. your. ethics, your values? You're in a. position of power. You could screw. people over. You could ask live the. silliest questions to try and put me in. a corner. You're not a gotcha guy. But. why why where do you get your ethics of. who you are? You could be you could be. cruel and you're not.

>> Why not? >> Well, I'm not I'm not I'm just not. cruel. I don't know. >> Well, where's that where's that come. from? >> Oh, I. >> Mom and dad. This is any kind of. >> philosophy church. >> Some of it's mom and dad for sure. There's no way around that. And they're. nice people. >> You said earlier, I love people. Hey, man, I love people. >> I've always loved people. >> I like I've I've been fortunate that. most of my life I've had really good. friends and I've had a lot of fun, you. know, and I know that like if you around.

you're around good people and you're fun. to be with and you have a good time, like that's a sweet life. That's a nice. life. >> Y. >> I just don't have any desire to be a. [ __ ] and if I can like there's been. a lot of people on the podcast where. they said something and then afterwards. I was like listen I think it would be. better for you if we just edit that part. out because it's like I know like you're. just talking and things get. >> you [ __ ] up but like. >> it was incorrect and they're going to. come for you and let's just snip around.

it like thank you. >> and you have no responsibility to do. that. >> No, I wanted to do that. >> But you take you take that though. Doesn't mean you want to. >> Why? Hey, come on. That would have been. even higher ratings. I'm just I'm. playing advocate. Devil's advocate here. Come on. Why do you care about that? I'm. just curious where that comes from. because a lot of people. >> who are not evil people would at least. at least let [ __ ] like that slide and. go. Did you hear that? >> Yeah. That's I think it's bad karma. As.

much as I believe in karma, I believe. that's bad. I think if you intentionally. do something that someone who's a good. person maybe slipped up and said. something incorrect and you leave it in. a podcast or made a dumb argument, which. we all do sometimes, and then you look. like a fool, you're like, "Hey, let's. just This is no need to for that. Let's. just. >> Right. >> Cut that out of there and you you'll. feel better." Yeah. >> Yeah. I just I don't want anybody have a. bad Yeah. 100%. I don't want anybody. having a bad time. >> Okay. That's that's something that. I want to come I want to come back to.

and let's try to maybe open this up. You do that because if I said something. stupid, you may let me know, hang that. out so I feel I'll feel better. So I. won't be look like feel like a pig. But. you you also will feel better. independent of me. That's very that's a. selfish thing of you to let me know, hey. man, you stuck your foot in it. Let's. cut that out. You're acting selfishly. because that makes you feel better. And. I think that's what I'm saying is the. point is as much as we think of. selfless, I think selfish, the true. definition is.

>> to live a certain way. >> Yeah. >> To have a certain code of ethics is a. very selfish thing to do. Much more. selfish than to lie, cheat, steal, [ __ ]. people over, be evil on the short term, >> right? >> You're building an army of people, a. collective friends along the way, someone that might have your back. >> Not that you're doing it for those. reasons, but it's happening. >> Right. Right. Right. That's a selfish. means of your own survival. >> Totally. Yeah. >> And I think that's something that we. forget sometimes that these acts to be a.

[ __ ] good dude. >> is selfish. >> is a selfish thing to do, man. >> It's personal. >> Like it's it's actually super beneficial. to you. >> Yes. >> So, and to everybody else. It's really. the right way to do it. But I think. that's how the universe rewards. It's. like how it encourages and rewards. kindness. >> because you feel better when you're. kind. You feel better when you're. generous. Right. >> You really do. Yes. It's. >> like you could be like super selfish and. be super generous. >> Yes. Trust that. >> Yeah. There's something to that. But. like there's whatever you want to call.

bad feelings, like bad feelings between. people, bad vibes, misunderstanding. I don't like those. So like if I if I. feel like I did something that I. shouldn't have done or I said something. I should, I'm the first one person to. say, "I'm sorry. I didn't mean it that. way. I know how it probably made you. feel. I didn't, you know, people say. things and you just you get scrambled up. sometime. I always go out of my way to. say sorry because I think it's important.

it's important to not pretend that. you're always the one who's who's. correct, >> right? >> It's important it's important to know. when. >> Yeah. >> I and and I know I fail on that. sometimes when I misrepresent. selfishness for certainty. >> Certainty can be hard. Yeah, certainly. it's tricky if you [ __ ] subscribe to. it and then you're wrong and you're like. yikes. >> Yeah, but it's different than being. selfish and I can I sometimes bogey. because I can confuse the two and my. wife lets me know.

>> Yeah, certainty is a tricky one because. you know sometimes you are certain but. you are also incorrect. >> or there's more than one way to be. right, >> right? Or you're getting bad. information. Yeah. You know, chat TPT is. lying to you. That would be a real. >> You said something interesting though, man. You're the first one to go, "Hey, man. Sorry. Boogied.". >> Now, that's an altruistic trait, man. That is. something that a lot of people have. trouble doing. To say I'm sorry to a lot.

of people means. I'm laying down. I I'm I'm wrong. I'm. guilty. I [ __ ] up. Oh my gosh. 50. lashes. I mean, and that's not what it. means. I I what I'm saying is I wish. more of us had Hey man, sorry about. that. I bugged you. I stuck my foot in. my mouth. And that that's now that's not. a big deal. Now we're not It's part of. where woke went too far, right? >> We got so myopic on the word instead of.

the spirit. Oh, dude. No, [ __ ] I didn't. know that's how you're going to feel. >> I'm still your friend, but that was. Sorry, that was out of line, right? >> Okay, cool. High five. Over. Done. >> Right. >> Instead of Uhuh. >> cast them out. >> You just said the word out of line. We're going to all focus on that instead. of the spirit of the intent. Even if we. were wrong, had a bad day, woke up from. a nightmare. [ __ ] I don't know. My. dog's sick, I was pissed off, had the. little eye. Hey, >> got to give everyone a little bit of a. break. >> Exactly. >> And also look at what's your intent.

instead of focusing on the identity of. the word because the word there's no. life in the word. It's just the alphabet. in a certain [ __ ] order. >> It's a noise you make with your mouth so. I know what you're thinking, >> right? Yeah, that's all it is. Yeah. But. >> the spirit of intention, I believe, is. what we should put more focus on. What. is the intent? The the the the the the. ten commandments in the schools. What do. you think about that? >> I don't like it. >> Why? >> Well, I think the Ten Commandments are.

very interesting. I think mandating it. in classrooms, in public schools, the. problem with that is like what about the. Muslims? What about the Buddhists? What. about the Hindus? What about what about. all the other religions that exist like. >> and you can say oh this is a Christian. society though. >> can it say. all of religious texts in your your high. school. >> and I'm and I'm okay I'm curious since. Christian society ten commandments but.

we have 10 minutes where everyone can. take 10 minutes to bow to Allah to. whatever your religion is if you care to. partake or not there's no exclusion. about what can be a spiritual. time of worship in these 10 minutes. But. in our classroom in America, we're going. to have the Ten Commandments. Now, my. question then goes to this. Is there. anyone of the Ten Commandments that you. or anyone disagrees with or is your. problem that it's an it's cons can be. considered an oppressive author?

>> James Tarico explained it to me. Um he's. a Texas representative who's also in. seminary. He's a very religious man and. he opposes it and he's a Democrat. And. um he said essentially there's two very. wealthy men who are um they're Christian. fundamentalists where they want to. replace all the funding for public. schools and put in private Christian. They want a theocracy in Texas.

essentially. So he was explaining that. this is like a step on the way towards. that that he finds would actually in his. in his belief repel people from. Christianity instead of bring them to. him by forcing this in classrooms. forcing in your face you'll actually. cause more young people to reject. Christianity. I don't know if he's. correct or not. >> but he's saying maybe I don't have a. problem with this. I do have a problem. with this is a beginning of an. overcompensation. >> No, he has a problem with it being in.

classes. He does not agree with it at. all. And he is a very religious man, >> right? >> Very religious man. Like. >> like a great Christian, >> right? >> And he thinks that this is this is how. you're going to repel people away from. Christianity. If we really want to get. more people to become Christian, the the. way to do that is to to first of all to. have open arms and accept people in. And. if you want to have some classes in.

schools where you teach people about the. benefits of the Bible and what what the. the overall message is and what Jesus. was trying to say and if you just follow. what Jesus said there it's no one would. disagree if you treat everyone as if. it's your brother. You know if you live. your life the way Jesus asked everyone. that's a way better way to live life. Like you could if you want to teach that. teach that. >> that's a selfish way to live life. >> but. >> in the way selfish.

>> that also want to live a good life but. they want to do it through Islam. What. about people that also want to live a. good life but they want to do it through. whatever name to name it. You're going. to have Mormons and all kinds of. different sex. Like okay that's why you. want to separate church and state. Okay. that and I think if you have publicly. funded schools keep religion out of. them. That's what I think because. otherwise you have too many possible. religions. Like you're gonna be. religiously bigoted if you teach only. one if you're only like you think people.

would be cool if they had uh entire. public school systems where everybody. just taught Islam. Could you imagine if. a full city like every public school. just people would be up in arms? Well, I. think that similar response to people. who are not Christians who see. Christianity being imposed on public. schools, they probably have the same. feeling. You know, like if you're a. Muslim and you you're supposed to send. your kids to school and they're shoving. Christianity in his face, you'd probably.

feel the same way as if you were a. Christian and your school district had. been taken over by Islam. You're like, Jesus Christ, everybody has to bow five. times a day. >> I I I hear you. I do also though look. think there could be what if there were. tenants. >> on the wall of each religion that we. pull the author off for a minute. >> this is my my my hangup is that we go to. the pro most people go to the problem of. that not with your argument they go to. the problem with it because the author.

>> go hey man so we go to the author. instead of the content what I'm saying. when you look at the commandments is. there anything that anyone out there's. going like I disagree agree with that. one. >> Let's pull up the Ten Commandments, Jamie. I haven't read them in a while. Is there any ones in there that don't. hold up today? No, I think they're. pretty legit. If you think about it, they're pretty legit and they're 2,000. years old. >> They kind of nailed it. >> It's kind of like the Constitution. >> They kind of They kind of nailed it.

>> Whereas all these years later, you're. like, "Good [ __ ] job.". >> Yeah, >> pretty solid. You got a a decent version. I was. looking at the Texas poster thing, I. thought, and there's a bunch of printed. versions, but they're all like on rock. So, I was trying to find. >> Oh, the ones that uh the Texas thing. Okay. They're all on rocks. >> Well, I don't. ask Chad TPT what the Ten Commandments. are. >> Well, but that's not where I That's I'm. saying I wasn't there. >> Oh, ten commandments in school. So, yeah. I mean, I just wonder like what.

are the chat ten commandments? This takes longer. >> The ten commandments are a sect of Yeah. What are they. >> principles of? >> You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself a carved. image hid worship false idols. You shall. not make the name of the Lord your God. in vain. >> Remember the Sabbath day to keep it. holy. Honor your father and mother as a.

solid one. You shall not murder. Great. advice. >> You shall not commit adultery. Definitely don't do that. You shall not. steal. Definitely don't do that. You. shall not bear false witness against. your neighbor. Don't lie. >> You shall not covet. >> Yeah. Boy, >> those are all pretty solid. >> Covet. We can use number 10 a lot right. now. Boy, we love comparison. >> Well, that's interesting. >> And the younger generation is full of. covet. >> Yeah. >> Problem. >> It's a real problem. The We're very. fortunate that we didn't have to grow up. with the kind of pressure that social.

media is putting on people, especially. young girls. like Jonathan Hate wrote a. book about um social media's impact, the. coddling of the American mind and it's. it shows very clearly the invention of. social media and then self harm, suicidal ideiation, overdoses, drug add. like all of it, a lot of it women, >> a lot of it young girls. And it's. because you're seeing you're comparing. to all these other girls. >> Yeah. >> Constantly. >> forced down. I I there's a whole culture. in like showing all your stuff off. the.

whole culture of like, look at my bag. Look, here's me with champagne. I'm. eating caviar. I'm on a yacht. I'm here. Look at this. Look at that. Look at. that. Look at my watch. Look at my. rings. Wee. And then everybody's like, I. don't have [ __ ]. >> That's how life's supposed to be. >> Yeah. >> And I'm just here in my room with my. family and I got a good meal downstairs. in this house. >> I'm not even on that yacht. This is. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't have that big ring. >> You know, I'm not at that party. I've. talked to.

youth about this and the consensus I' I. hear is and I haven't found anyone that. doesn't feel this way yet is like look. if you could if there if you you mean if. you could say yes social media it exists. or it doesn't oh please just no I wish. it didn't exist but it does and I have. to be a part of it to feel. >> I don't know it's more the word's not. relevant to even feel a part of. >> youthful society but boy if you gave me. a choice Could we have it or not? Please.

take it away. >> Yeah. >> Wish it Wish it wasn't there. >> Wish it didn't exist is what I hear a. lot of you say. >> Yeah. I think that's I think it's done. more harm than it's done good. It's done. a lot of people good for business, right? A lot of people started. businesses with social media and you. know, a lot of people make a living now. that would have had a regular job. There's goodness in that. But in terms. of like society and our overall. discourse, I think it's a lot of it's. negative. I mean, but then again, there's a lot of positive out of it,

too, because information gets out that. mainstream media doesn't report on, and. you find out about. >> real issues that really concern you. But. >> then there's the problem of a giant. percentage of it isn't actually human. beings. >> A giant percentage of the arguing back. and forth on the internet is bots. >> Giant percent, man. >> Yeah. some former FBI analyst said it. was as many as 80% on Twitter. >> 80%. >> Yeah, that's his estimate. I mean, I.

don't know if he's right, but I'm like, what what does that even mean? >> What does that mean? >> Like, so what what's fueling all that? It's AI forcing us to argue. I mean, it's programmed right now by human. beings probably and and some of it is. actual real human beings that are like, you know, in some sort of a factory. somewhere in Pakistan or whatever and. they're just [ __ ] with Americans. online for whatever reason. Some It's a. pro, it's probably funded to like try to. disrupt democracy to make us lose faith. in our system. >> You think there's a a China uh element.

to that? >> 100%. There's a Russia element element. to that and there's an American element. where we're doing it to them 100%. So. that's part of the new new world. warfare, but but that's 100%. >> Well, I understand it with how it would. add up with Tik Tok. >> Yeah. >> Now, you think it's it's it's everywhere. through all the all social media that. it's it's infiltrated to to get us into. these understandings, perceptions. >> Well, for sure it is capable of doing.

that if you just follow your natural. instincts, right? So the algorithm is. set up for do show you what you engage. with the most. >> And that just whether or not it's the. intended purpose, it leads us down the. road of being full of anxiety, constantly filled with cortisol, stressed out, angry, angry at climate. change and [ __ ] white supremacy and. radical left. Whatever it is, >> it's whether or not it's intentional, it.

doesn't really matter because the. desired effect, whether it's the desired effect, the. effect of it all leads you into complete. chaos. >> So, if they know that and they didn't. course correct, the problem is once you have an. algorithm, you're not going to get rid of the. algorithm. You're not gonna say let's. just have information just exist. uncatategorized and not documentary. Yeah. Just have it leave it out there.

and you go find what you want, Matthew. You go look around and you watch, you. know, football games and boxing matches. and. >> you just go you you do you. You go look. instead of it suggesting things to you. Once it's suggesting things to you, that's a whole different game because. then it's kind of programming you, right? >> And it's programming you based on your. worst instincts. My [ __ ] feed is all. assassinations and car accidents and. dudes getting kicked in the head. It's. It's just the. >> And you And do you do you do you bite?

>> Not anymore. >> Not anymore. >> No, but Tom Seagur and I we have a a a. text thread that's been going on for. like I don't know like probably five. years. We send each other the most. horrible [ __ ] we find each day. >> Yeah. >> And sometimes I call him up. I'm like, "Dude, I can't do this anymore. this is. like really [ __ ] with me. But then. like two days will go by and I'll open. up my [ __ ] phone and I'll see the Tom. Seagora. I'm like this [ __ ]. >> And then I'll open it up and it's some. guy getting assassinated in a pool hall.

or something. I'm like oh my god. >> It's just you're getting bombarded. >> bombarded. So with all of that exterior. stimulus. and here we are with you know adult. minds and even talking about man. >> imagine watch this imagine a child yeah. >> now I'm going is there something does. anyone got a better suggestion than the. ten commandments for to get a child's. mind going.

10 just those 10 things if I look at. that and aim that direction. I I I feel like I I can't go wrong or I. can go closer to closer to right ju. meaning I'm I'm seeing youth and adults. spun out man. >> I don't understand the general. expectation between us what do you mean. I can pick your pocket and steal from. you if I got away with it [ __ ] you dude. >> I'm not embarrassed I don't feel guilty. man I want a blue ribbon I got the shoes.

>> they gave me the trophy what do you mean. do with the ri you [ __ ] an old. dinosaur. Integrity, what character? What are you talking about? I hear I. hear that conversation. I'm going, "Uh-uh. Hang on, man.". >> Yeah. >> And that's different than saying like. you told me you love chaos. That's. different than saying, "Oh, there's a. chaotic moment. I I love to try and. create order in it." That's different. That's like a that's something that's a.

stimulus, you know? This is it's it's. four-dimensional. Where's the ground, right? that that that they can go, okay, I can rely on that. What can I rely on. that that will stand with me? That's a. time and tested truth that can take me. into the future no matter the changes of. AI that I can go in the storm. I can go. to this and catch my breath. I can go to. this and rely on it in the dark on my. own and in the masses with the millions. going, "No, no, no, do this. Do this." I. can go, "Uh-uh. What? What is that? What's that simple.

sheet that's ingrained that that that. our youth can go?" Yeah. >> Yeah. who can rely on it. Forget the. author. Forget the author, right? That I. don't think you're going to do it with. like a series of commandments. The. problem with the Ten Commandments, not. saying there's a problem with the Ten. Commandments, but if I was going to put. it in a school that where there's. non-religious people, there's a bunch of. stuff in there like not taking the. Lord's name in vain, not having any. other gods before me where people that.

would give people pause. They'd be like, "Wait a minute. You're what are you. telling me? I can't I can't say I can't. take the Lord's name in vain. Like. saying god damn it is like taking the. Lord's name in vain. People do that all. the time. >> It's similar to the on a national level. the flag burning thing starts burning. up. >> That would be like taking. >> Lord's name in vain. Burning the flag. would be like taking the flag's name in. vain, >> right? Imagine that. Imagine you get. arrested for taking the Lord's name in. vain, right? >> That would be a real problem. Especially. when you don't.

that creep you're talking about. >> Human beings always creep. They always. move towards more and more power and. control. And if you put something like. that in like now what are you going to. do? You going to enforce Christian law? What if someone enforces Sharia law? There's a lot of talk of that. There's a. lot of talk about people in Minnesota. are terrified that someone's going to. enforce Sharia law in a lot of these. Somali Muslim. uh these these areas where uh like giant. Muslim populations are. >> all right what if we get with the what.

would you get what if we get with the. Hindus and the Muslims and everybody and. we get out you got bring your best 10. Christianity is bringing his ten. commandments let's get together here and. we'll put them all together hell we'll. mix some of yours on your your my number. eight will be number nine because yours. is going to be number eight and we're. going to put them up there and it's. going to be a creed a little. Constitution to get our day started. >> Interesting way to do it. But the. problem is most religions are. ideologically opposed to conflicting. religions. They don't want to accept. that these other religions are correct.

about anything. You know, like Judaism. and Christianity, they share a bunch of. things, but they disagree on Jesus. They. disagree on. >> and rising from the dead, right? >> Yeah. It's a lot of stuff. So it's uh. >> well I just think there could be a a a. creed a bit of a constitution and if you. pull the author of it I think we find. more similarities than that are not. exclusionary. >> right. >> than we would find things that are. combative ideas.

>> Yeah. I think something along those. lines where we said let's think of a. code to live life by. and we can do this in a modern era. without a religious context. You could. say like what we could all agree a code. to live life by, but we'd all have to. follow it, including the president. No. more rage tweeting. No more no more. >> I'm just saying we'd have to we wouldn't. have to follow it. It would just be. right now there's not an an agreed upon. expectation of how to treat each other.

>> Right. Right. Right. And there's reward. in treating each other like [ __ ] If. you're. >> you are rewarded for it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And almost, not almost, maybe more, much. more than almost if you do follow the. rules. >> Kind of a sucker. >> [ __ ] rube. >> Yeah. You're kind of a sucker. >> I that that that I don't I'm I'm that. that's not going to have a long that. can't have a long play for us. That is. not a selfish move. >> Don't you think that's a part of the. whole Tik Tok Instagram kind of culture. because it's so look at me, it's so. fake, leased cars. And you know, there's.

a thing in LA where they have a fake. private jet and you go into this private. jet just for influencers so they can. take pictures on private saw this. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Joe, let me tell you. this thing. I'm in Miami. You know, Miami, you know, South Beach, right? If. you don't flinch, nobody's sloppy. stopping you, right? I mean, Miami, where even the even the mannequins have. fake, you know what I mean? It's it's. it's what I like about Miami because. they're so open. LA people get the the. face job and boob jobs and tummy tucks.

and you know how'd you do that man? You. look great. They're like I just take. cold showers, right? >> You know what I mean? But Miami is like. oh no here Dr. Flores go see him man. He's great. He I just left him. He you. know they're open about it. I love that. about Miami. I'm there working on I. think it was the Beach Bum. And I'm. walking down through South Beach and. there's this under a palm tree on the. beach. There's this purple and pink. Lamborghini pulled in under a palm tree. with the beach behind it. And there's. this guy leaning back on it, the gold.

chain. He unbuttons a silk shirt a. couple times. He's greased up and he's. kind this guy's over there taking. pictures of it. I'm like going, "What's. going on here?". Well, there's another guy come by, stop. You see him chat. All of a sudden, the. new guy hops in on the trunk on leans. back. Yo, does all the pauses and I go. up. The guy go, "What are you what. what's going on here?" He goes, "Oh, man. I'm uh taking a a picture for my or. my uh my Tinder cover. And I go, "You are." And but the who's.

the who's the other guy? Goes, "Oh, no.". He just came by and said like, "Hey, man. You mind if I get a picture for my. Tinder cover?" And he paid me 50 bucks. I said, "So that's not your car." "No, man. I rent this car for the day.". >> Like he was he was proud of it, man. He. was like, "Yeah, it's just what I did.". Um, >> South Beach, Miami. I I I. >> It's a very low vibration, >> dude. But they're open about it. >> Yeah. You know, >> I always say if you want to starve to. death, open up a bookstore in Miami.

>> It's a lot of fun. >> It's basically like a Well, I mean, it's. basically built on cocaine. You know, that city was built on cocaine back in. the day. Have you ever seen Cocaine. Cowboys? >> Yes. >> What a documentary. Yes. >> Holy [ __ ] That's a good one. That is a. good one. And Cocaine Cowboys, too. Both. of them are crazy. >> I had seen two. >> Oh my god. >> Oh my god. Jazelda gets out. She goes, it's when you find out that it's all. 100% true. You're like, So that's what.

happened with Miami. One year, the. entire Miami graduating class of the. police academy, the entire graduating. class either wound up murdered or in. jail for corruption. the entire. >> the whole class. >> The whole class they were all drug. dealing. Everybody was drug dealing. There's millions and millions of dollars. buried in backyards in Miami that no. one's ever going to find. >> Art Oavdo, remember the police chief. that was here. >> that then went to Houston. >> because he wanted some real drama and.

Katrina came and he got his real drama. Then he went to Miami and it didn't. last. I didn't get the details on it, but wasn't it something about the. >> Miami the the the I don't know if it was. mafia and city council going uh-uh. there's certain things you cannot. >> infiltrate here and he he was either. fired, booted out or retired and moved. on pretty soon. >> Yeah, they don't [ __ ] around down there. It's uh it's a totally different way of. life and you know they love it. It's.

like you go you go down there it's it's. a totally different vibe. Yeah. >> You know, and the. >> if you don't and you don't flinch. >> Yeah. >> It's all a green light. >> More banks per capita in Miami, I think, than any other city in the country. And. I think that is because it was used to. launder money for cocaine. >> Yes. >> So, it's hard to believe that that's. true, but I had a good buddy of mine who. was an opthalmologist who did his. residency down there. Six months on the. job.

content. changes to his command staff. >> Boom. You're out. >> See you. >> Yep. Currently in. >> speaking out against corruption, reporting abuses of power by elected. officials. He sued saying that his. firing was in retaliation. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. So my buddy was a opthalmologist. and he did his residency in Miami in the. 80s and he said it was insane. He goes. every day. So he's in the emergency room. every day. It's gunshot victims, guys.

with G.I. Joe stuffed up their asses. Like everybody was just doing coke and. doing wild crazy stuff. He. >> dropped that gay bomb on. >> Yeah. >> He He said he found guys with light. bulbs up their asses. They had to remove. light bulbs. You know those little pine. cone ones? You know those ones? The. little small So dude had a light bulb. broke in his [ __ ] and they had a Oh. god. And he goes, "It's all cocaine, man." He goes, "I saw so many gunshots.

>> So many gunshot wounds.". >> He goes, "It was all cocaine." And it. was just constant in the 80s. He said, "The emergency room is just like people. are piling up in the hallway. They're. just rushing people in to get treatment. They're holding their side, blood. squirting out of them." He said it was. insanity. >> Wow. >> Just cocaine gang wars all over the. city. And he was in the heart of it. >> Is is he still an optometrist? He well. he's still an opthalmologist. Yeah, he's uh but uh he doesn't live in.

Miami anymore. He's in Arizona now. Shout out to Steve. It's good buddy of. mine. >> Nehem. uh he told me some why. And I was a kid. at the time and when when I met him I. was like 15 16 years old and uh he was. explaining to me like what he did when. he was in Miami. And I was like that is. insane. I go it's that bad? because this. is like 1988 and he was there or in the. early 80s. >> He said it was insane. >> Yeah. >> Just and that's Miami, you know, and.

whatever's it's obviously not like that. anymore. It's obviously calmed down on. that regard, but. >> it's the chassis is still pretty loose. >> Oh, yeah. It's just that's what built. the place, you know. >> Yeah. >> It's like the most flossy city in the. country. The most Lamborghinis and. Ferraris and whatever you. >> I don't think most of them are owned. >> No. No. It's a giant hustle. It's a big. old cocaine hustle. >> Yeah. >> But I that's one of the things I love. about America is that we have all these. different flavors. We got the Florida.

flavor and then we got the Montana. flavor. You know, there's a lot of. different flavors in this country. I was. uh I was in Alabama doing research for u. um. pre-state of Jones and this is what I. think probably 11 years ago and we were. staying in Mobile. and uh the next day there was all these. parades that night and I was what's. going on the next the next day the the. the percentage for the vote for gay. marriage was coming out.

>> and. I remember talking to a lot of my. friends on the west coast. the next day because what happened? It. woke up. It passed 5347. and I was like, "Holy [ __ ] I thought it. was going to be 2080." No. >> Oh, interesting. >> And it was past 5347. >> What year was that? >> This is 11 12 years ago. Maybe you can. pull it up. I think it about 11 years. ago. Anyway, I talked to a lot of my. friends who are are uh Democrats or.

liberals and they were appalled. at. >> the minor the minor margin. I was like, guys, >> no, I thought it was You're appalled. that it barely made it. I thought it was. going to be 280 the other way. >> It's It is amazing how quickly though. America were very nimble. >> Yeah. >> Very nimble to to to swing and. understand. >> Yeah. different ways. I was shocked that. it even came close. >> You thought it was going to be really. You thought it was going to be 8020.

against. >> I thought that my romantic idea or [ __ ]. I' traveled there, been around there and. stayed there many times, got friends. there. I thought that it was so. entrenched in a. born again red Christianity that that. was. >> blasphemy. >> to the majority, >> right? >> And it was not. It was not. And I just remember thinking. there's an example, not an ideal, but. there's not if you're if you were for.

gay marriage, that's not an ideal. example, but there's an example of talk. about an evolution or adaptability to to. times and change. >> Well, if you believe in the sanctity of. marriage, gay marriage should be your. favorite marriage because they hold it. up the best. >> They have the the lowest rates of. divorce. I think gay marriage between. two men, the rate of divorce is only. like 26%. >> Right? Whereas with men and women, it's. 50%. >> Yeah. >> So if you really love marriage, >> hey. Yeah. Right. >> You should love gay marriage because.

they're doing it right. >> What do you think about that? When I. talk about, you know, because we're. always we're always talking and thinking. about so you know how you make the world. a better place. Talk about leadership, talk about our CEOs, you talk about. politicians, but. if you go back to the root, the. beginning seems to be to me to be. parenting. >> Mhm. Secondly, what if. what could be done. to get more fathers to hang stay around.

get more more mothers do than the. fathers. A lot of fathers are out early. And what could be done if more marriages. if we work took another step to salvage. our marriage instead of ah smell the. heat getting out? >> Yeah, there's a lot of that. >> What could that do? You know, >> do you think that would be a way. forward? I I have a hunch that it is. I. don't know how to what to do about it. except prop up the reverence for. parenthood. Prop up the reverence for.

marriage. >> to where it's more important to us than. it is. >> Yeah. >> To stick with it a little longer to. salvage that. our personal character, our. responsibilities that we take as a. parent and our responsibility that we. take in going into a marriage. I would. make it mean a little bit more than I. feel like it does. >> to us a lot of times. >> But I think it really depends entirely. on. who the individuals are.

>> because sometimes one person is just not. >> keeping up their end of the deal. They. just fall off. Maybe they get into. drugs. They they become addicted. They. maybe they lose their job and they don't. want to get it back and they just start. drinking every day. And like sometimes a. man or a woman has to make a choice in. those dragging some good divorces too. I. was like, "Oh, that was good for the. both of you.". >> There's some people that don't want to. change and they will drag you down. And. there's some people when you met them, they had hope and then eventually that.

hope just [ __ ] leeches out of them. and they're not fun to be around. anymore. And you try and you try and you. try to encourage them, you try to give. them suggestions and they don't follow. through. At a f a certain point in time, you can't save a drowning man because. you're going to [ __ ] drown, too. And. you got to just move on with your life. And I get it. I get when wives leave. like that. I get when husbands leave. like that. But. >> a lot of people just marry people. because they're hot. >> You know, they marry people because. they're sexy. They like having sex with.

them. You know, they think they're. attractive. And then you're with some. [ __ ] crazy person. And you're trying. to make life work with a crazy person. And now you have kids. And now you're. trying to make life with kids with this. [ __ ] crazy person that you really. shouldn't have married in the first. place. You didn't have anything in. common with them other than you like. their body and you liked how sexy they. are. >> That's the trap. Like you got to it's. dep you have to like genuinely love. someone like love their personality, love being around them, love their.

kindness and then you have to be someone. that other people would love. Yeah. A. lot of people want this perfect person. in their life and they're a mess. >> Oh yeah. There's a lot. >> I've seen that go down too. >> There's a lot of reasons why marriages. don't work out. And one of them is like. over time when two boats are traveling. together of one of them just like this. is an Anthony Robbins thing about life, an analogy about life, but it it it. actually works with marriages too. because all you need is like a subtle. turn in one direction and over time.

you're further and further apart where. like. >> we don't have the same philosophy. anymore. We don't have the same belief. system. we don't have the same ethics or. morals or, you know, maybe your husband. has got a job that you're like, you. shouldn't be [ __ ] doing this. This is. bad for society. Like your job overall. is awful. You're maybe you're denying. people health care claims, you know, for. insurance companies. Maybe that's your. thing. And like, and you're like, you're. you have to live with a psychic weight.

of like, yeah, we're eating ribe eyes. and we have a nice house, but like how. did we get this money? Like, and maybe. the wife is like, I don't want to do. this anymore. I want to be connected to. you. >> That's that's understandable, too. It's. like not all marriages are supposed to. work out. >> I I I agree with you. >> I think it makes divorce right now. >> Yes. >> What if that was 45? >> Well, Chris Rock had a great joke about. that. He goes, "That's just the cowards. that stay.". He's like, "How many of them wish they.

were divorced?" He like, "Really good. point. Really good point." Cuz although. 50% get divorced, how many of those 50%. that stay are just cowards? >> Pay independent. >> Oh man. >> I mean, we all have friends like that. where you're like, "Bro, get out." And. they don't. And then, >> but then we also have people that have. great marriages. And when you meet. people that have great marriages, it's. like, "Oh, that's possible." You know, that's possible. >> Well, the sanctity of it, if it had more. reverence going into, you're not getting.

ones that just she's hot. We love We. love to shag. >> It's a cultural milestone, too. It's. like a thing. You're doing it because. it's like everybody does it. Every woman. wants to be married. Every you want to. have a family. Every man wants to, you. know, like this is my wife. And and so. you think that you a lot of people live. life like they're in a goddamn romantic. comedy. They think they're in a movie, you know? They think they're and they. don't they don't. It's like that there's. something about media, something about. songs and movies. It gives us this like.

bizarre framework. >> for what a relationship or what life is. supposed to be like or what your life is. supposed to be like. >> and it's not real and where your life. doesn't measure up to the this movie. just like your life is not going to. measure up to your Instagram feed. You. get kind of kind of depressed like this. >> Why why are we in Galveastston for our. honeymoon when she's on a yacht on. >> she's in aa. >> you know what I mean? Exactly. Again, that comparison thing comes.

>> Well, that's also why people put. everything on the gram, too. >> Every put, they put everything they do. Look at me here having so much fun. Look. at me smiling, having a great time. >> Well, you paint yourself in a corner. We. We let Levi get on Graham when he turned. 15 and he I don't know if he'll stay on. it, but that was one of the things we. were talking. I was like, "Dude, you. know, he was surfing at the time. I was. like, "Don't just put all your all your. best waves. >> right. >> on there cuz you're going to paint. yourself on a corner when you go to the. break and the guy's like, "Oh, we've. seen it." I said, "Better put some.

wipeouts on there, too, man.". >> Just so you can go and not have that. pressure cuz you're going to paint. yourself in a corner if life looks too. good. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? >> Absolutely. >> Then you're going to go out and you got. I got to live up to this. >> That's thing that happens in those. relationships when you hold the other. one. If if if I make my wife Superwoman. and she thinks I'm Superman, neither one. of us can live up to that, >> right? And so we're going to come in. under our expected bar and there becomes. the recipe for. >> you're not who I thought you were. >> Yeah. >> Because we had an unfair expectation,

>> right, >> going in. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that definitely. happens, too. Also, familiarity breeds. contempt. People just get tired of being. in the same space with the same person. over and over again. Like, stop. Leave. me alone. Get away. People get sick of people. But it's also. like who did you pick? >> Yeah. >> Who' you pick? And why' they pick you? And are are you someone that you would. pick if you were a woman? >> Yeah. >> You know, would you want you as a a.

husband? Would you want you as a friend? Right. >> Would you know? >> Yeah. >> And if not, maybe you should. >> maybe she become someone would like to. be friends with. Maybe she become. someone would like to be a husband. >> Yeah. >> Like to have as a husband. >> Sit in that passenger seat you're. talking about and have a look. >> Have a look at yourself. Yeah. That's. why a good psychedelic experience every. now and then knocks the dust off and. gives you a little reset and lets you. look at yourself and go, "Okay, all. right.". >> Yeah. Tell tell me tell me explain what. tell me what that what that does. It.

unpacks some some some somewhat some. some sort of neural cables that have. gotten kind of solidified that may work, but they're sort of they're doc they. become. >> doctrinire. There's a lot of that in. that for sure. And I think that's also a. dissolving of the ego. That's a big part. of it. One of the things that most. psychedelic drugs have in common is they. dissolve the ego like completely. dissolve the ego at least for a brief. amount of time. And and during that. brief amount of time, you have a much. more objective understanding of what. that's why there's so many people who uh.

take mushrooms and then completely quit. smoking cigarettes or completely quit. taking pills. They just go, "Oh my god, like what was I doing? Like why was I. doing that?" Like you just you need to. get outside of yourself. And I think. that that was a natural part of human. civilization for thousands and thousands. of years. People did it in ritualistic. settings in ancient Ulysus in in in. Greece. The Lucinian mysteries was all. about that in Elus when they would they. would all get together would they would. take this trek to get there's a.

fantastic book on it called the. immortality key that a guy has been a. guest on my podcast a bunch of times. Brian Mur rescue wrote but it's all. about these are the people that figured. out democracy. This is like in ancient. Greece. And they all did it from having. these psychedelic trips, right? They. would all go and have this trek to have. this this visionary experience and. they'd come back with new insight and. ideas. >> Yeah. >> And a dissolving of the ego. I mean, they they literally came to the idea. like, "Hey, maybe we should let. everybody have a say in how things run. and vote." Like they invented democracy,

right? >> Which is crazy. And they did it because. probably because of psychedelic drugs. Like they found these um clay pots that. these people used to keep their wine in. and their wine was all like mixed up. with psychedelics. It wasn't regular. wine. Like we think of wine just being. an alcoholic beverage. No, it was wine. with urgot in it. >> So they were there was like an LSD like. substance and a bunch of other stuff. >> like you ever seen the Dumbo the.

animated? >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay. I just noticed it because I. noticed it just saw it for the seen it. before but recently saw it three years. ago. So Dumbo at after the circus goes. over puts his snout down and drinks the. runoff from the bar in the party. Okay. >> Stars start to sink. The next thing next. edit is he's in the top of a tree. >> He can fly. That was more than alcohol.

It was the psychedelics. The cut is directly to him in the top of. a tree. >> That's hilarious. God, I haven't seen. Dumbo since my kids were like one. >> If you see it, if you see it again, I. need to watch. >> you catch. it for I'm God, I don't even know if. they. >> and the crows are over there talking. [ __ ] about him about his how he got up. here and what are you doing up here, man? You should have seen yourself last. night. Talk about I don't remember, but. I was there. Dumbo didn't remember none. of it, man. But he's ended up in the top. for I remember when they were real. little, uh, we watched Pinocchio and how.

creepy it was. I was like, "Oh my god, Pinocchio is creepy." When they when the. the they the boys got kidnapped and it. turned them into donkeys. >> Yeah. >> Remember that part? >> Yes. >> That was Pinocchio, right? >> Yeah. Here's the part, dude. He has a. fiveminute trip in Dumbo. >> Oh, really? I mean, it's a whole scene. >> The pink elephants. >> Oh, whoa. Oh, >> this is after he drank the. >> So, he just drank the slop, right? >> He's 100% tripping.

>> And the last we saw was he just drank. some now. Look at it. Yeah. Tripping. >> Wow. >> Pyramids. >> Yeah. >> And it ends here. >> Oh, wow. And it ends with him coming. back to Earth. Oh, >> wait. No, he's on He's not back to. Earth. >> He's up in a tree. >> Tree. >> That's crazy. I would have never. guessed. I would have never guessed. that's a part. But that's actually a. part of one of the rides at Disneyland. Is that Is there a Dumbo ride at.

Disneyland that looks psychedelic? >> Definitely was. >> Yes, that's right. No, it's Winnie the. Pooh. There's a Winnie the Pooh ride at. Disneyland that I used to take with my. kids. And you go through the ride. It's. like real simple ride. It's not like. scary at all. It's like good for like. little kids. And you get to this one. part I'm like, what are they trying to. say here? Like this is crazy. Like Tiger. comes out and Tiger is like this. psychedelic being and everything is like. now in black light. Yeah.

So Tiger comes out and Tiger's like a. freak. Like why is this guy bouncing. around on his tail and then it gets to a. certain part get a little forward here. where it gets super [ __ ] weird. Like. right here. >> like what the hell is happening? It's. all about honey. It's like things are. like this is like fractal. This is like. DMT world. This is really weird. Like, what does. this have to do with Winnie the Pooh? What the [ __ ] happened? >> It's really weird. [Laughter].

It's like, what are they trying to say. here? >> I didn't see anything about honey. >> Yeah, there's something about the honey. It's like something about Well, you. know, there's some stuff called mad. honey. And this mad honey, we actually. ate it on the podcast once. Some guy. brought it. Um, but it's a honey that. these I think it's in the Himalayas. That's where it is, right? >> Where these guys have to climb up the. side of a cliff to get this stuff. >> Yeah. >> And these bees are all taking pollen.

from is it the lotus flower? >> What is the uh psychedelic plant? >> So, these these bees are taking pollen. from this psychedelic plant and they're. making a psychedelic honey. >> Okay. Okay. So this is so bad honey is a. honey that contains boy say that word. >> gran. >> gayanotoxins. The dark reddish honey is produced from. the nectar and pollen of the genus. rotoron. How do you say that? Roto. >> rodendron. >> Rotodendran. It has moderately toxic and.

narcotic effects. Produced principally. in Nepal and Turkey where is used as. both a traditional medicine and a. recreational drug. >> Ah okay. But see, we show how they get. it because these guys, look at that. They have to climb on the side of a. [ __ ] cliff to get this stuff. >> And people get it just to trip out. >> Wow. >> Imagine you try that hard to get honey. that you make like a rope ladder and you. cover yourself in a beekeeper outfit and. they're they're all like these these. hives are all connected to the side of a.

cliff. >> It's really crazy. >> Yeah, it's cool. Yeah, >> it was a very bizarre effect to the. honey itself. >> Did you have some? What did you So, during the uh three hours after having. some, did you get a little bit? >> I was It was in the middle of the. podcast. I took it at the beginning of. the podcast. I just took a big I go, "How much is a large dose?". >> And he's like, "Take like a half a. teaspoon." Ah, [ __ ] it. And I just took. a whole big teaspoon of it. And I was. like, "Whoa, this is interesting.". >> How soon did it get interesting? >> 20 minutes. >> Okay.

>> Yeah. About 20 minutes in. I'm like, "Whoa, okay. This is a new one. I was. like, "This is crazy. This is honey. Like, put this in your tea. Like, what's. going on in Nepal?". >> I don't think it's a a normal use thing. I think it's an occasional use thing. >> Well, maybe not a full tablespoon. >> It didn't wasn't that bad. It wasn't. like I was out of my head and didn't. know what to do. I was completely. functional. Yeah. >> But it was like bizarre that this is in. honey. So these these psychedelic trips. when you lose the ego and you unlock.

some of the you know. >> just like you got a vacation to reset. your life sometimes you need a vacation. to reset your brain. Do they help you. have more energy because you're hanging. on to old. >> Sure. >> ideas a little bit less and you have. more of an open beginner's mind and the. day unravels with that with less certain. concrete expectations or. >> uh this is how that should go or. >> very insightful. Yeah, you're right.

Yeah, definitely. That's a part of it. Like the the less you hang on to in your. head, the the. >> the more energy you have for other. stuff. Yeah. Like you only I always tell. people like especially young comics like. that are like getting on social media. and arguing with people and stuff. I'm. like look man think of your time in your. day as a like a numerical unit like you. have a 100 units of time. 100 units of. energy. If you're putting 30 of those. units on some [ __ ] online, you're.

robbing yourself. >> Amen. >> of that time that you could be putting. into things you love, your friendship, your comedy act, your life. you you. don't need to do that. Like it's a trap. Like you get sucked into thinking you. need to do that and all it does is. >> it just robs you of your energy. >> Yeah. >> The less you're attached to like. >> old beefs and squat. [ __ ] that guy. All. that those kind of things, the less. you're attached to that stuff, the freer. you are, the more energy you have. And. it's good for you. It's again, it's a.

selfish selfish thing to do. >> Selfish to be kind. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Amen on that. >> Yeah. And I think if if those things. were legal and more people could. experience them in a controlled setting. with people who know how to administer. them and know the right dose and. >> and know, you know, hey, would it are. you on a medication? Well, if you're on. a certain medication, definitely don't. be taking this stuff because. >> your medication's an MOA inhibitor and. this is, you know, this could really. [ __ ] you up.

>> But, you know, it doesn't even have to. be that, man. It could be a [ __ ] good. yoga class, right? >> It could be um holotropic breathing. You. could just sit and breathe deeply in. through your nose and out through your. mouth. >> with intention and you'll have a. psychedelic experience. You'll get a. relief from. >> I just got one the other day from from. acupuncture. >> Really. >> did not expect it at all. And I mean I. came out going, "Oh my gosh, I just felt. like I did hibernated for a 14-hour nap.

and woke up clean as whistle.". >> See, I've only done acupuncture one time. and the dude was a total cook. He was so. kooky that I I just I I didn't didn't. stick around. He was too weird. The guy. was so weird. He was really good at. acupuncture, >> but he was just like there's a really. weird guy in LA and he'd have these. conversations with you. He's asking a. bunch of questions and I was like, "Okay, >> I got to get away from this guy. This. guy. >> that's the that's the that's the. masseuse that I when you lay down and. they go, >> yeah, >> so what's your horoscope?" And I'm like.

going, "Oh shit.". >> Oh no. >> And they go and I go, "You got any. injuries?" I'm like, "Yeah, this left. shoulder like left side of your body. That means you need to get in touch.". I'm like, "No, no, no, no. I actually. got hit by a car. I don't don't go. psychological on me just yet, man. Come. on. Don't go horoscope out of the gate.". >> If we want to add that on for some color. commentary afterwards, I'm okay with it. But let's not come out of the gate. saying this is the reason. I actually. just reached out to my booking guy to. try to get a real astrologer on like.

someone who really understands the. ancient art of astrology, the real old. stuff, cuz I'm I'm not completely. discounting it. I think newspaper. horoscope is nonsense. I think there's a. lot of people that are just like reading. your tarot cards that are just ripping. you off. But I always wonder like at the. like astrology is so specific like why. did they write that down? Why did they. have this understanding of how the stars. are aligned at the time of your birth? >> Premathematics. >> Yeah.

>> What part of the earth you're at? >> Yeah. >> I see. I don't even know if it's. pre-mathematics. I think it's pre our. current understanding of when. mathematics evolved. >> and emerged. I don't think that's real. I think they had mathematics. long before that. I think civilization. was wiped out and had to restart over. again. And there's a lot of evidence to. that. There's a lot of evidence that. like society has had some major cosmic. event, most likely asteroid impact, comet impact, and um there's a a whole.

theory behind it, the younger dus impact. theory from 11,800 years ago. They think. we got hit. >> and they it's a there's a comet storm. that we go through every September. and June. Is that what it is? >> Yeah, I think so. >> Something like that. like June and. November. Um, and occasionally we get. hit and you know there's like 900,000. near-earth objects.

>> Yeah. >> And it doesn't take a really big one to. [ __ ] up everything. >> It doesn't take one that's going to kill. everybody to [ __ ] up anything. >> It just takes one the size of a block. like one city block comes slamming into. the ice caps and then you just got chaos. >> and everything goes away and all all. like modern conveniences and all. organized societies thrown into chaos. and then people have to rebuild. I think. that's happened a bunch of times in.

human history and this is real physical. evidence to this younger dus impact. theory which also coincides with the. ending of the ice age. It's all around. the same time. >> And they think it was like a series of. events. They think we were hit more than. once. They think they were hit around. 11,800 years ago, but then again. somewhere around 10,000 years ago. So. it's probably when we see society. emerging in like Mesopotamia and Sumere, which was like around 5,000 plus, 6,000. years ago. I think that's just the.

newest version of it. >> I think they probably had mathematics. long before that. They they probably. were doing [ __ ] Whoever built the. pyramids like the you can't tell me they. didn't have some sort of complex. geometry in mathematics. There's there's. no way they didn't. The the the things. are pointed to true north, south, east, and west. Like. >> that's 5,000 years ago. >> Carl Sean uh I got to sit with him for a. few hours before we made this film. called Contact that uh I was with Joey. >> Freaking loved it.

>> You do? >> One of my all-time favorite movies. I. love that movie. Oh, >> and I love Carl Sean. >> He wrote the book. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Got to talk to him and listen to him. actually for a few hours. Anyway, got to. know his wife and his wife's really. cool, but her her hello, her greeting is. always, "Hey, what's your coordinate?". Whoa. What's your coordinate? >> What's your coordinate? Boy, she's she's. out there. But I mean that was similar.

of the northsoutheast which where are we. coordinated? Where's the earth. coordinated. >> in the galaxy in the universe in the. hands of time? What has happened? What's. our coordinate? It's a it's a. >> it is kind of an out there but it's a. it's a it's a pretty cool objective to. way to go. Let me think about that. >> Reminds me of you like uh you ever meet. Bush 41? >> No. >> Hi President Bush. How you doing today? while he's holding your hand. >> about an 8.2 today, Matthew.

>> 8.2. >> to the tenth. He would give you an. answer out of 10 to the tenth of how he. was doing. >> H. >> I always thought that was pretty. interesting because everybody goes, "Oh, I'm good, man. Great. Great. Great. Great. How are you?" D. >> That's some CIA [ __ ] son. >> He was adding it up to the 10th. What's. your coordinate? About an 8.2. >> He had numbers in his head. >> Yeah. you know, um Herbert Walker was. the guy that um how put off uh and a. bunch of these scientists. He he brought. them together and said, "We have.

recovered a crashed UFO more than one. occasion and we have a back engineering. program and we're considering disclosure. to the American people. I want you to. list the positives, the positive impact. of society and the negatives." Yeah. And. >> they did it with quite a few different. scientists and they all had more. negatives than positive. >> to if they came out with this. information to share this information. What would be the effect on society? >> Yes. >> More negatives than positive. >> More negatives than positives. >> disruption of religion, government,

economy of religion. >> Well, I mean it does. I just don't. >> depends on your religion, you know. Um. and depends on where these things are. from and what what is happening. What do. we know in. >> the Bible? Ezekiel has golden chariots. from the sky. >> Exactly. Yeah. And a wheel within a. wheel. Yeah. The Ezekiel stuff sounds. like a UFO encounter. And it's not the. only version of that in ancient texts. In the in the ancient Hindu texts, they. have vimmanas, these things that are.

flying through the sky. Like what is. what are those things? you know, in the. Rig Va. >> in even in the Bhagavad Gita, there's. there's all these depictions of these. things that sound like you're talking. about a spaceship or at the very least. some kind of technology. Like what this. thing about the Nephilim like that the. the gods mated with women and created. men who are monstrous. >> Boy, doesn't that sound like aliens came. down and genetically manipulated. primates and created human beings? that.

that's a version of it that you could. imply from the text. It's all really. weird stuff, man. Like really weird. If. you if you if you found out that that. was all true, it would probably change everything. about society. And this is what Herbert. Walker and those guys decided after. So. how put off was explaining it to me on. the podcast like how they put a. numerical value to each thing. I'm like. >> like we were that close, right? Like. imagine if that this is 1990 right.

>> now. Correct me if I'm wrong but these. kind of really weird things as you put. them. they excite you more than they give you. fear. Would that be fair? >> Yeah. I mean. >> I mean you seem excited. You get excited. about different possibilities. >> Yes. >> I mean you know I have people go oh man. know Rogan loves these conspiracy. theories. I don't see him liking the. conspiracy theories. I see him always.

being interested in an alternate way. something went down and being interested. and excited about that, but not going no. no no no no no. Never disengaging from. it and going no way. No, no, because I. believe how it was and what I read and. that's how it is. That that you're not. that's not what where you're moving. from. No, it's never a denial of. information and facts. And it's also a. recognition that often times a large. swath of society just goes with a. narrative without having any real.

understanding of what the the actual. facts behind it are. And then there's. that term, this porative term conspiracy. theory. The problem with that, calling. someone a conspiracy theorist, is. conspiracies are real. Like there's a. lot of evidence and if you want to sit. down, I could [ __ ] show you a ton of. them. And and so anybody who says like, "Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist." I'm. like, "Okay, let's talk about. conspiracies." Like, do you think that. any of them exist? Do you think that. people conspire? Is it like it's a. natural part of human behavior that's. been documented throughout history? Even.

governments, I mean, sure, literally. literally the the thing that got us into. the Vietnam War was a conspiracy. It was. fake. The Gulf of Tonkan, it was a false. flag operation that it never took place. at all. They lied to the American. people. That's a conspiracy. Like that's. just one conspiracy that turns out to be. true. There's a lot of them. The problem. is people don't want to look like a. conspiracy theorist. They've done such a. good job of making it a a a goofy term. that you don't ever want attached to. you. It cause damage to your reputation.

If you're in a a job where people have. to take you seriously, fortunately, I'm. not. But if you're in a job where people. have to take you seriously, you don't. want to say anything weird like, "Hey, I. think aliens are real." Like, >> right? >> People think you're a cook. And then. they discount your opinion on. everything. >> Yeah. >> But if you. just know the actual facts, like people. that don't think there's anything that. aliens are real, it's there's no way. We're alone. There's we've never been. contacted.

>> Why not? >> Gary Nolan, the guy who was on here. yesterday that was talking about cancer. research, he was also telling us about a. piece of wreckage they found from a. craft for was it 1950 that they found. it? >> Which one? the first one, the silica. one. So they have direct chain of possession. of this evidence from I believe it was. 1950 and it was almost pure silica and. the magnesium ratios were so off that he. said that this magnesium had to have.

been it it had to have been sourced from. a place that experienced a neutron bomb. every 2 minutes for 900 years. That's. how off the isotopes were to magnesium. that we find here on Earth. >> He's like, I'm not saying it's. impossible for someone to ever do that, but I'm saying this is from 1950. Like, this is a real piece of what they're. saying is a wreckage of a craft and it. has a material composition that is.

impossible. for a normal person to create in 1950. So, what the [ __ ] is this? And you said say that to people and. they're like, "Oh." So Gary Nolan who's. a professor at Stanford. Um he's. professor in the in in the. what is his uh forensics? Is that what. his uh he does research, but what is his. actual title? Stanford School of Medicine professor. Anyway, rocksolid credentials published.

and people brought him this material and. they said would you analyze this because. you know all these different scientists. and endowed chair department of. pathology Stanford school of medicine. So. when a guy like that is saying, "No, this there's a a composition of this. piece of wreckage that you can't make. here, >> right? >> They they found a a type of alloy that. doesn't exist on Earth and it has on an. atomic level layers upon layers of.

whatever this alloy is." He's like, "This cost billions of dollars to. create." And they found it in 1970. Like. in 1970, no one had this. This is it's. not possible to make. Like maybe you. could make it today, but we don't have. the equipment to make it today. You. could conceive how someone with enough. resources could have that money today to. do something like that. But it would be. an enormous undertaking. >> Yeah. >> And this is a piece of craft that. someone found from 1976. So when a guy.

like that is telling you like. >> I'm not saying what it is. I'm not. saying where it's from, but I'm saying. this is [ __ ] crazy. >> Yeah. it doesn't add up to what we could. practically do. >> So when someone says conspiracies like. Yeah. Yeah. I I I believe in. conspiracies because they're real, >> right? >> And because I don't have to worry about. being taken seriously and most people. do. Most people don't want to be a fool. You don't want to be a silly person. You. know, you don't want to be mocked when. people aren't around you like, "Yeah, [ __ ] Bob believes that JFK.

assassination.". >> Yeah. You say because you don't. >> have to be taken seriously. What you. said. >> exactly. >> because wait because you're saying your. your theories on things are solid or. because you in your position are going. hey I don't have to be taken. >> my job does not rely on me being taken. seriously. >> Right. Nothing. What do you say to the. it's like cuz you get you get attacked. for like hey man you had so and so on.

here and and and and and and you. placated them and you know and we do. take you serious because so many people. listen I'm because I always I always. hear and I'm and I always find that I. think there's a hole in those attacks on. on you. You have a massive audience of. listening. Does that mean inherently not. necessarily is what I hear you saying. that oh everything I say should be taken. seriously because that information is. going wide. >> No. >> So people's argument is going Joe you.

have a massive audience so that's your. responsibility to make sure they go down. that rabbit hole. >> My responsibility is only just to be me. I don't have a responsibility to do. anything else. I definitely have a. responsibility to not lie to people. And. I definitely have a responsibility to. not willingly allow someone else to lie. without at least questioning them, >> right? >> Um if I know that they're lying. But. other than that, my responsibility is. just to keep doing what I've done. And. that's why I have a big audience. It's. not because it's not because of any.

other reason. So I'm not going to do. anything any differently. >> No, I I I see that. I applaud it. >> I don't think you have to. I don't think. it's good. I don't think it's smart. I. don't think you should be paying too. much attention to what other people's. opinions of what you should or shouldn't. be doing are as long as you have a good. internal compass. >> As long as you have a good true north. and you know and my true north is how do. I feel about it? Like what do what do I. feel like I'm a good person for doing. this? Do I feel like that was a. beneficial thing for them and for me? I'm happy they're happy. We're all good.

And that's what I want. I just want I. want a hug and a handshake. Thank you. That was awesome. Good times. and I want. to hear from them like this has been. amazing for me. That's that makes me. excited. That's all that's all I like. >> That's that's cool. You got to you got. to you make it sound so simple but as. you probably know for a lot of people in. your position a it ain't that simple. >> It's but it is if you follow the right. path. Yep. >> It's not that hard. Like people say it's. hard. I'm like h. >> you know you work so hard like.

>> look at us right now. This is me. working. It's not that hard. This ain't. I've had jobs. This is I've done. construction. I've done like horrible. jobs that suck. This is not a job. This. is just a fun pursuit. >> So, you have a responsibility to the. people that listen. And I think the. people that listen expect me to be me. And that's all you can do. >> Boom. >> And as soon as you start changing, they. [ __ ] know before you know, right? >> Like they'll they'll like, oh, you. [ __ ] change. And people will always. accuse you of changing even if you.

haven't. But I I think I've evolved. I've most certainly evolved. I've. tempered the way I view life. I'm more. I'm definitely kinder and more patient. But I'm the same person. Same person. Like same goals. >> Just curious. I'm interested like talk. to people. >> Yeah. >> And I want everybody to do well. I. really genuinely do. >> Well, that's a uh that's not that's not. an overly common trait. >> It should be. >> We I I think it should be too. >> It's not hard. And I think the way you. described it is great. It actually is.

selfish. And I say that all the time. It. really is selfish to be a kind person. >> I I'm on a crusade to change the. understanding of that word because I. think we sell ourselves short. >> and with there is a way where what is. best for us is actually best for the. most amount of people and vice versa. >> Yeah, I agree. >> And it's at the end of the day it is all. got to be very personal. >> and then to have some dignity in it. It's the difference between choice and a. mandate. No, you got a choice but make. the [ __ ] right choice.

>> Measure the choice. You got you're you. got power when you make the choice. Yep. >> And you deal with the consequences. I. love to go, "Oh, bogey there, MCC." And. I can look in the mirror and go, "That's. on you.". >> Yeah. >> Then I can make a good decision. Something works out. I can look in the. mirror and go, "Good, man. We hit that. one on the screws.". >> I like I honestly like [ __ ] up. sometimes because then it makes me. really reset and go, "Oh boy, get it. back together.". >> What's the last big [ __ ] up you had? Were you like, "I got. >> you have a weird podcast. You're like, "That one sucked." Like maybe I was. worked out too hard before I got here. That's not good. Like that. That's a bad.

one that I do sometimes like. >> I come in charging and and and getting. over getting ahead. >> No, like I'm worn out. >> and then my brain's not firing on also. like if I do legs like I do a leg day. and I do a lot of squats. >> I come in and my brain is just like. wiped out, >> you know, that's not good. I've done. that, you know. I've you know, but it. just when you're not on point, okay, what did I do wrong? Well, I didn't get. enough sleep. you know, maybe I didn't. take my neutropics, whatever it was.

Like, maybe I didn't do uh enough. research on the subject. Whatever it is, like, >> let's get it back together. >> Pull that [ __ ] [ __ ] back around. >> See, but that's self-regulation. >> Yeah, >> you're self-regulating. Cuz ah, I could. have done better. I missed my mark. Oh. my god, I don't like it when I do that. I'm a little embarrassed when I do that. Damn it, I feel shitty. I didn't get I. didn't I didn't leave that situation. better than I found it. I didn't come. forward. I didn't prepare enough or. whatever that might be. Man, more of. that across the board. >> It's good for everybody. >> Yeah, man. >> It's You got to be your own general. You.

got to be your own like like wake up. soldier. You know, >> I always talk about the cold plunge. because it is the that is the one time. people say, "Oh, how do you do it every. day?" Listen to me very carefully. I. almost don't every day. >> Every day. I get that close to bitching. out every single day. I am amazed how. weak I am. >> I'm amazed. Every time I go to lift that.

[ __ ] lid off that thing, I'm like, "Oh my god, I don't want I'm not doing. this. I am not doing this. I'm not. doing." And then when I get in, I'm. like, "Maybe I'll only do a minute. today. Maybe I'll get out right now. Don't you want to get out right now?". I'm like, "Shut the [ __ ] up.". >> I get the let the general talk. And the. general is like, "Shut the [ __ ] up, soldier. >> You will stay in that water.". >> I'm like that dude from Full Metal. Jacket. >> Outstanding. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. A little. self-regulation, man. >> Yeah. But every day I almost don't. >> David Gogins told me that, too.

>> Who's like the most mentally strong. human being I've ever met and maybe the. most mentally strong human being that's. ever walked the face of the planet. And. he said, uh, he goes, "Even though I run. every day, sometimes I look at my. sneakers, I stare at those [ __ ]. for a half an hour before I put them. on.". He's thinking of him. I mean, he's out. there running like marathons literally. every day and he was just like, I don't. want to do this. I don't want to do I. don't want to do this. Yes. But he does. it.

>> That's the thing. It's like people want. to think that people that are mentally. strong don't struggle. No, you just you. do struggle. >> You always struggle. >> Yeah. >> But you win every time, >> right? >> You you make sure that you win every. time. And you can win every time, but. you got to develop that ability to make. yourself do the things you don't. necessarily want to do, but you know you. should. >> It's a little bit of that uh I don't. know if you ever saw that Jookovic. interview on 60 Minutes. >> No, it didn't. >> And uh 60 Minutes interview, I forget. his name, was going like, "Look, so you. know, your mental capacity is why you're.

so good is and and my hunch that Novak, it's because you have less negative. thought." And Jookovic interrupts him. Uh now, you might want to pull this one. up. This is good. His answer is great. He goes, "No, no, no. I have as many or. more negative thoughts. I just get past. them. >> quicker than others.". >> Yeah, that's. >> So, he's not denying the negative. thoughts. He's letting let them come. >> and then bam, out of the way. I got to. on to the next. >> Yeah. He has control. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. He has control over those. thoughts. They come in and he swats them. down. >> Yeah. You have to have some negative. thoughts if you're going to be an elite. athlete because you have to be your own. worst critic. You can't be satisfied. with anything. If you want to reach the. very tip of the top, every movement must. be more precise and more explosive and. better every time you do it. And you. have to do all the training and you. leave no stone unturned. And if you. don't do that, you're never going to. reach the level that he's at in. anything. >> Let me ask you about this. >> Um I got a poem on it, but let me just.

try to remember what it was about. it's. uh success. um. in say MMA for instance. What's a better. resume for a great performance or. victory? Suffering to succeed or revenge? >> Oh, suffering to succeed. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Why? The emotions that come with revenge. are crippling and and and sometimes they.

can keep you up at night and they'll. they'll [ __ ] with your sleep and then. the the the consequences of you losing. are far greater because you genuinely. hate this person. There's a you know. some people thrive under those. conditions oddly but I would think most. of the time most of the time trying to. just achieve the highest version of. yourself. >> yes. >> is the most aspirational and I think the. best of the best do that.

>> right. >> the very best the George St. peers of. the world. They They do that. >> They're playing against themselves. >> They're playing against themselves. Yeah. They're trying to be the very best. version of themselves that they can be. And if they do that right and leave no. stone unturned, they can achieve. greatness. >> But it's not going to be easy. It's it's. going to be they go through hell. I. mean, to become an elite fighter is one. of the most physically difficult things. and then psychologically difficult. things that a human being can ever. undertake outside of war and maybe law.

enforcement. you know, other than that. that you're you're dealing with physical. struggle the likes of most people will. never experience in their life. You're. you're literally hurling bones in the. direction of a a a trained assassin. And. the two of you are going to do it. publicly in your underwear in front of. the whole world barefoot with these. little tiny pads on your knuckles and a. a cup over your dick. And you just got. to go out there and and kick each other. and strangle each other. It's crazy.

It's a crazy sport. And so there's this. balance of the mind and the body and the. intention and how you allocate your. resources and time and how you manage. stress and how you deal with the the. pressures of trying to succeed and the. doubts and the fears. >> in the suffering to succeed. >> Yeah. Is it fair to say I think it is. that like the people that you know like. the. seeing beyond. the immediate goal meaning.

>> right. >> we choke at the goal line. when we look up and get objective and go. oh [ __ ] fourth and one this could be the. game winner all I got to get is one yard. >> right. >> whereas no I I run I will run through I. will use my ability I will cross that Bo. Jackson when he scored he'd go through. the end zone down the [ __ ] tunnel. The best snipers don't aim at the. target, they aim on the other side of. it. Getting through co part of what I.

know helped me was going, "Oh, it's. going to be like this for 10 years, gang. Family buckle up.". >> Yeah, >> nice 10 years. It was much shorter. Oh. [ __ ] I We were preparing for a much. longer journey going to work out. This. is going to be. >> hell. Get ready for it, dude. And then. all of a sudden you're like, "All right, that's it. Wait, I'm done." Projecting. past the goal. cellularly, I think, wakes up something. in us on survival level that we don't. choke. We don't get fatigued,

>> right, >> as quickly. We don't want to quit sooner. because we have in our mind, no, it's. the end is not right around the corner, >> right? >> And and it's it's it's a bit of a mental. trick. But I think that it has something to do. with that that what what champions. do. They see beyond they're playing Arch. Manning right now. There's never been. more hype on a quarter college. quarterback ever. I believe that guy is wired and that. family bloodline's even wired that.

they're beyond this hype. This hype, this is mortal, right? This is mortal. [ __ ] guys. Great. >> It's about the process. It's about. winning games. If UT goes and wins the. championship, they're preseason ranked. number one. Never been ranked number one. before. I believe that this team is. like, "Oh, well, thank you for the. compliment, but we're on our own. mission." That being preseason ranked. number one or being on the cover of. Freaking Sports Illustrated is not a. curse nor validation. It's just noise. out there. And if we do it and you go, "We told you you'd be number one." We'll. look at you and go, "Oh, well, thank.

you." But that's it. I'm not. They don't. need a pep rally to go. The rest of the. world thinks you can win this, too. >> Right. >> Well, good. Good for them. We're not. playing for them. We're doing our thing. I have a mission here. I believe in a. path that I'm on, and I'm going beyond. this hype or I'm going beyond this game. I'm playing for a I'm prepared mentally. and spiritually for an entire season of. hell. I'm prepared to fight this. assassin on the other side of me that is. wants to defend and do to me what I want.

to do to them. making the the resistance. or the adversary seem bigger and longer. and going to be more tumultuous seems to. be a good way to succeed. Going beyond. and all of a sudden you look up. I get. this from when I've done my best acting. I didn't know it was the last day. When. they yelled cut at the end of the last. scene of the last day of shooting, I was. walking off going, "All right, see you. tomorrow." And they're like, "No, no, no. There is no tomorrow.". >> You were just in the zone. >> That's it.

That's it. We wrapped. Oh [ __ ]. >> Oh, hey Joe. How you doing? For the. first time. >> cuz you were just locked in. >> Boom. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Best rounds of golf. I walked off the. 18th green. and was heading to the next T- box to. look up and realize I No, that's it. You. played eight. Oh [ __ ] What' I shoot? Oh. [ __ ] 74. Huh. I didn't look at my scorecard on 16 and. go if I can just keep in the fairway.

this last three holes maybe get in with. the parts don't bogey I didn't didn't. anticipate so I didn't get my room I. behaved and went through the finish line. >> that something in there is in suffering. to succeed rather than fighting for. revenge seeing on the other side of the. target. >> you follow what I'm what. >> 100% yeah it's also like concentrating. on what you're trying to do versus the. impact act of what it is. Like if I miss. this, oh my god, I'm [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. Instead of that, you're just.

thinking about I'm going to make this, this is how I make this, this is how I. do this, >> this is how I do this, this is how I. behave. It's also in today's world with. all the stimulus we're talking about and. social media, etc. >> We're all sort of living in the third. person or being fed opportunities to. live in the third person all the time. Yeah, >> it's like we have a jumbotron and to use. a football analogy, you kick me the. ball, I'm running the kickoff back and. I'm going down the sideline and I see. the goal line, I think I'm going to. score and then I have a look at the. jumbo trying to see how I'm doing.

>> That's when I'm getting tackled from. behind. >> Yeah. >> If we step outside to have a look at how. are we doing? >> Yeah, for sure. Yeah. That passenger you. open up talking about when you're. hitting it comedically is not hopping. out. >> right. >> over here to have a look. >> And if you do, you you'll get lost. >> You get lost. You get conscious of what. you're behaving, what you know how to. do, what you're fashioned to do. >> Mhm. >> And you're out of the moment and you. become objective. >> Yeah. When you love watching someone do. something where we know they're in the.

zone, right? like where someone runs in. for a layup and it's like the most. beautiful. movements avoiding the defenders up in. the air, drops the ball in and we're. like, "Wow.". >> When we see someone just hit the zone, we see it in a fight. When we see. someone just flow, we see someone. flowing like, "Wow, he's feeling it.". >> You know, whoa, she's locked in. We love. that because we know that it's somewhere. in ourselves and maybe at one point in. your life you experienced it. You might.

have been playing mini golf or something. like one point in your life you're like. I think I felt a little bit of that. >> Right. How much do you think preparation. has to do with the freedom to adapt and. flow once you're in the game? >> A lot. >> A lot. >> A lot. Yeah. Almost everything. You if. you're not prepared, your ability to. adjust is very limited. >> Yeah. You have to be fully prepared and. then let it flow, but you have to like. really really have all your bases.

covered to just like just so they don't. have anxiety of I could have done more. >> Yeah, >> that is a big issue with fighters. We. see fighters towards the end of their. career. There's a thing that happens. when fighters realize they're probably. never going to be champion and they're. just doing it for a paycheck and you. know you see sometimes they'll show up. and they look a little soft and you're. like. >> and you see a little fear in their eyes. because they know they really are not. focused. They're really not dialed in. but this is what they're doing for a. paycheck now and it's not good, >> right?

>> Cuz the guy the other guy on the other. side of the octagon is the opposite. That guy's dialed in. Maybe he's only. like 25 and he's like coming into his. prime and you're a stepping stone for. him and it's like. >> and the and and the problem fear of that. is what getting actually really injured. >> Sure. >> More so than if you were. >> 100% yourself. >> You'll definitely take shots you. wouldn't take and then you're you don't. have the endurance to keep up a pace y. right cuz like to. >> to get to the shape that you have to.

have to be in to be able to compete in a. five round MMA fight. It's almost. impossible to maintain. Like Chelson Sun. has talked about this extensively. It's. like you can't keep it up. It's not like. a level of conditioning that you can. keep up all year round. You have to peak. to it where you're like your body's. barely hanging on and then you coast the. last week to allow yourself to like. recover and you're just kind of going. through movements the last few days and. then on Saturday under the bright lights. you are at 100% capacity. I mean,

they've been monitoring your [ __ ]. heart rate and checking your resting. heart rate and checking your blood and. your heart rate variability and what. your nutrient levels at. You're [ __ ]. finely tuned. Get in there and go. >> that Saturday night. >> And if you're not, if you didn't cover. any of those bases, you're going to know. >> the back of your head. You're going to. know like I'm going to give it my best, but boy, I don't have a big gas tank and. I could have trained harder. And I I'm. I'm I get so damn excited about this.

This seems like this uh uh the blind. spot that still is there to be taken. advantage of for preparing for peak. performance. Daryl Royal, coach of the. University of Texas that won a couple. national championships here at Texas had. always said you got 12 games in the. year. You can. expect for your team to be at peak. performance level two Saturdays. out of 12. You want to make sure that.

those two Saturdays are against the. toughest teams. You want to make sure. that the other ones where they're like, okay, they they did well, but they. didn't play to their peak performance. are against the good teams. And you want. to do your best to make sure that the. days that they're off, you're playing. the shitty teams that you can beat even. when you're not mentally there. >> That seems like so much more opportunity. for that number to rise today to have a. much higher number that you can be ready. for peak performance. Who are the best. preparers. in I don't know MMA in your mind that.

>> all the champions when you get to a. championship level when you get to like. Aleandre Pantoia or when you get to uh. you know Islam Makachev when you get to. like that level they're all you're at a. championship level they're all they all. have impeccable preparation. >> they're all. >> yes. >> it's impeccable. >> impeccable. >> and so the the the margin for error okay. it's measured It's time. This is. >> Yeah. They're all dialed in with diet. They're dialed in with their weight. They're dialed in with strength and.

conditioning. They're dialed in with. their sparring. It's impeccable. You. can't compete at a world class level. today and not have that. Okay. >> It's not possible. >> So, physically, >> yeah. >> Mentally, >> yeah. >> Are these two different coaches? >> Are these one? >> Some people don't have mental coaches at. all. Some elite fighters have no mental. coaches. >> Okay. >> But some of them do. Some of them like. we had this guy Brandon Epste the other. day that um he works with quite a few. UFC fighters and he's got a very. specific protocol that he mentally.

prepares them for and he coaches them. through things and and and sets up like. a way to visualize and see yourself. performing and see yourself doing things. and how you how you view your. performance like and to get you into a. mindset where once you get into that. octagon, you're locked into this pathway. >> instead of like straying and letting. anxiety and fear overcome you which can. happen to fighters. >> But then there's other guys that don't. have any coaches for that at all. They. just have the mindset already and. they're comfortable with what they have.

and they just stay disciplined and just. go in there. >> Yeah. >> It's it's very personal because. everybody's brain is different. You. know, everybody's they all have like. different ways of. >> expressing themselves, different ways. >> How much has technology. and diet and stuff helped? >> A lot. Yeah. A lot. A lot. technology. Um, just understanding nutritional. balances, understanding like when you do. a nutrient analysis of your blood work,

like, oh, you're deficient in nascin. This is this is your probably you're. wearing down, you don't have enough B12. in your system, making sure you get the. correct amount of protein. Like, you. can't you can't miss any of those things. if you want to achieve peak performance. You have to have everything. Your. hydration, your electrolytes, everything. has to be dialed in. >> Your sleep, >> which is one of the biggest ones. >> Like this is like a lot of these young. guys. >> The problem is they still go out and. party. They're still hanging out with. girls till 2:00 in the morning and then.

they're at training at 8 a.m. >> Like you can't do that and be a. professional and expect to be world. class or expect to beat the guys who are. just as good as you but get that. preparation. They're gonna have an. advantage. >> Yeah. Yeah. You know the argument of. athletes, you know, well, who was better. then or now? What would they have done. then or what this this. >> my my I I think that we've athletes have. evolved and the athletes we have now are. just better than athletes ever were. >> Yeah, I think so.

>> And that they're bigger, they're more. powerful, they're more focused, they're. more specific. Um that they're just. better. That if they played in that. time, they would be that much better. then even than they are now. >> Yeah. seems to be I think we're just. evolving that way. >> They also have the benefit of watching. people do it before them and do it. really well. So they aspire to that. level and then to surpass that level. whereas those people were pioneers. >> Yeah. >> Larry Bird didn't have a lot of people. to watch play basketball before Larry. Bird. You know there was a few but you. know black and white footage. It's not.

like you didn't see it every day. You. didn't have it on the internet. Now. kids, they could just watch every Jordan. highlight reel, every time LeBron James. has scored, every Steph Curry. three-pointer. They could watch it. anytime they want. And then that is a. level that they're aspiring to. >> Think of all the football games that. kids can watch now and analyze. Think of. all the fights that people coming up now. that want to be a martial artist, they. can watch. And so they aspire to this. level that has already been achieved by. the greatest of all time and then they. want to surpass that.

>> Yeah. which is what human beings have. always done athletically all throughout. time. We've always It's not like guys. who broke records in the 1930s. We don't. break those today. Like those are not. the same records. Like those don't hold. up. We 100% get better. >> Yep. >> From 90 years ago to today, there is no. comparison. The athletes are far better. and they're going to continue. 90 years. from now, >> it'll probably be if there's humans, they'll probably be far better. you. know, there's experiments that have. happened in the NFL,

you know, and I think this I think this. is correct, but I was always a. Washington. It was then the Redskins. fan. And uh I think it was 1986 or 1988, they had the heaviest offensive line and. they averaged 286. >> somewhere around there. Those numbers. >> big fellas, >> pretty close, right? But compared to. today, that would be the lightest, >> right? Nuts. >> All right. And then Dallas with Nate. Newton and those guys had a point where. they were going, "Oh, we're going to get. guys up to 330. Oh, let's get them to.

340." And they peaked when Oh, some of. them got to 360. The bone marrow, they. were big, but they lost agility and. speed and went, "Uhoh, we hit the. ceiling. We went past it. We got to come. back.". >> Interesting. >> These are the hogs. >> There's the hogs. >> Look at those guys. >> Guy in the middle with a mustache. >> That's Russ Grim. >> Boy, big Joe Jacobe over here. 66. Big. Fellas, the Hogs. What a great name. >> Yeah, >> that's hilarious. >> Um, >> they hit the top of.

>> like Dallas, it hit they hit they went. too far. The thing was bigger is better, so let's get bigger. And then all of a. sudden, agility went and uh oh, it's not. 360. It's come way back come back down. >> Well, believe it or not, the UFC. heavyweight division has a weight class. You can't be over 265 pounds. >> You can't? >> No. They have to weigh to to fight for. the UFC heavyweight title, you must. weigh 265 pounds or below. >> So, you're 270. >> You got to lose weight.

>> You don't have you you don't weigh in. It's happened before where guys had to. lose weight to fight heavyweight. Tim. Sylvia, when he was the UFC heavyweight. champion, had to cut weight to hit the. 265 pound weight class. He was so big that like 265 was a. struggle for him to get down to. >> Isn't that never gonna have to. >> Well, I would assume it should. But the. problem is there's actually a. heavyweight class above that that's. super heavyweight, but we've never have. that in the UFC. There's never been a.

single super heavyweight fight in the. UFC. Everything has always been inside. the 265 lb weight class, which I think. is real weird cuz like. >> where did that number come from? >> I don't know. The numbers are real weird. anyway because there's giant gaps in. them. It's like one of the major. problems with MMA is that there's a lack. of weight classes. So in boxing there's. weight classes all you got 126, 130, 135. It goes 135 to 140, 140, 147, 147,

54. With the UFC it's like 35, 45, 55. Then it goes 70 85. So you got a 15. pound weight difference. And then it. goes 205. So you got 20 pounds and then. you got 265. So that's 60 lbs for for. heavyweight. >> It's crazy. The the gaps are just too. big, >> right? >> They're gigantic. So that's a major. problem with MMA in that there's less. weight classes than there should be. And. then you have a cap on heavyweight, which is bananas. Like you should have.

no cap. Heavyweight should be how big is. this guy? Like let him fight. >> Biggest you think you can handle and. come in. Yeah. >> I mean what about the mountain? That guy. from Game of Thrones. If that guy had a. fight in the UFC, >> he wouldn't be able to make weight. He's. too big. >> He's That guy's almost 400 pounds, >> you know. >> Yeah. I never knew that. I thought. heavyweight's like 265 and up. 250 and. up. >> It should be. >> whatever you want to come in with. >> That's what it should be. Yeah. >> But there really should be a weight. class around 225. There's something like.

that. >> What class would that be? You just name. a new class? >> Well, boxing has something like that. What is the boxing weight class that's. like below heavyweight? There's. cruiserweight, but then there's a new. one. There's a a recent one over the. past few years that they've developed. But that's one thing that boxing does a. much better job with, I think, is. providing fighters the correct weight. class where they can compete in. >> What is it called? >> That's Yeah, but I think there's another. one that they're calling.

>> they're calling it God, I can't remember. the name of it. >> Super cruiserweight. Super crazy. >> Yeah, that's it. I think they called it. something different though. They had a. name for it. Eh, whatever. Maybe you'll. find it. Maybe not. But the point is 265. is the limit. So like Francis Enanu when. he was the heavyweight champion, he used. to have to cut weight. He had he had to. lose weight to get down to 265. >> And then how much is he putting on that.

last week? >> He's probably putting another 10 on at. least. Yeah, >> he's not losing a ton, but he's got to. watch his calorie output. He's a massive. human. >> Yeah, I met him in Saudi Arabia. >> [ __ ] guy's so big. He's so big. >> He That's a real tragedy that him in the. UFC couldn't figure it out. That bothers. me a lot because that guy was he was the. scariest heavyweight champion of all. time for sure. He put guys in orbit. He. would hit them and you just go, "Oh, it.

would hurt you like watching it. You're. like, "Oh, no. All men are not created equal." That's. another problem with fighting. >> No matter how much preparation you have, no matter how intelligent you have, you. are, some people are faster and hit. harder than you, >> right? >> And you ain't going to fix that, >> right, >> in the gym. >> You'll get a little better, but you're. never going to bridge that gap. >> Yeah. I had a dream of being an NBA. basketball player. >> Did you? Was that your dream? >> For a while. >> How old were you when I was young? I was.

I was like, I'm going to dunk. And no matter how much. this guy sitting here would have worked. out and hustled, I was never going to be. able to dunk, bro. Didn't have the. innate ability. Didn't have the DNA. Didn't have the makeup. >> I bet you could. I bet you could over. time. I bet someone could teach you how. to dunk. I bet if someone got you on. like a a serious trading program when. you were younger, right now be it would. be rough. >> Be rough, Jack. >> It would be rough on the tendons. Yes. Like a lot of stress. when you get to be.

RA just like maybe you shouldn't be. dunking. How about take dunking off the. menu? >> Yeah, that was what I. >> But when you're young, I think you could. teach a guy, but it would, you know, it's not as easy as that. Like for some. people, they could just dunk. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, that thing about not everyone. being created equal. Yeah. You got to. have innate ability. >> Oh, yeah. >> And the hustle, >> the work ethic. If you got both and there's a lot of. look, there's a lot of five-star players. who don't have the hustle and then.

there's a lot of. >> some of the most talented ones, right? Because it comes too easy to them. >> Yeah. >> And some of the ones that aren't as. talented but just will not stop. They. will not stop pushing because they had. to work harder for everything they ever. did. They have that extra gear and that. allows them to be champions. I hear more. and more CEOs. saying, "Give me Johnny and Jane Hustle. from Western Kentucky. before.

Belinda and Joseph. >> from Harvard.". >> Yeah. >> Yeah, I would agree with that. >> You mean this one that's ready to come. hustle, that's ready to get scrappy, adapt, work, press the edges on the. front and the back end. Yeah, >> give me that. >> And someone who's allin. >> Yeah, >> you want someone who's all in. You don't. want someone who's like looking at the. clock, wants to leave, someone who's. just like doesn't feel like they're. being appreciated enough. You want. someone who's like fully all in on their.

work. >> Do you think there's been there's. theories about with AI coming that now. more than ever that's what you need is. the the one that's knows a little that. has more of a liberal arts education. I. know I know I know I know a little about. a lot of things and I can hit many. different avenues rather than being an. expertise in one certain thing. I mean. it's like just what six years ago you. tour the campuses were like computer. programming that's what you want your. job to be. That's what we need right. >> now you don't.

>> Now it's over done. >> They're telling you don't don't get into. programming. Yeah. Uh, so what specifics. are the jobs or the creations, the. vocations that are going to be out there. for our youth here coming up that are. going to be like, that's how you're. going to make it. I question the college. education now. I question the worth of. it. How much is it still a knowledge. factory that has not adapted to changing. times and needs in the workforce? And. how much of it needs to be updated for. getting young men and women prepared to.

go into the workforce? >> Yeah, it's a good question. I think it's. really unknown territory and I think AI. is going to take jobs away that we never. thought we were going to lose. Uh I. think lawyers are off. >> I think they're in trouble. Coders are. gone. >> Accountants are gone. >> Accountants are gone. Yeah. It's going. to be really [ __ ] weird. It's going. to be really weird for Hollywood. I. mean, you've seen some of these these. films that have you seen the old Star. Wars that they're doing? They're. remaking Star Wars with AI with old Luke.

Skywalker. >> Yeah. like when he was young, like when. Luke Skywalker, they're doing completely. new scenes that look exactly like HD. versions of Star Trek, Star Wars in 1975. is what it looks like, okay? >> But it's in HD today with AI using Mark. Hamill's voice, so it sounds exactly. like him as a young Luke Skywalker. It's. bananas, man. >> It's bananas. There's a lot of weirdness. with.

music. There's a lot of weirdness with. literature. You're going to have all. sorts of AI. So, no one knows what's. going to survive this. I think I assume. that a bunch of people at the end of the. day are going to get really sick of. artificially created things and want. something that they know was made by a. person. Whether it's a book that is made. by a person or a song like an Oliver. song. >> We're going to want. >> Yeah. >> a tangible. We're going to want books. >> Yeah. Books are going to be like like. you know some people just love vinyl.

Yeah. Love them. They just love the. >> pressing the needle down and hearing the. crackle. And. >> that's that's what there's going to be a. lot of that still. People are going to. want to buy books from people that. actually wrote the book. They're going. to want to go to see a guy perform music. in an actual club where you see the guy. on stage, you know, it's live. the there. there is always going to be a desire for. handmade things. A guy made this table. I know him, you know,

>> but other than that, man, no one knows. It's the unknown because who no one. knows what the capabilities of these. things are going to be. >> Well, and the the the the tech the uh. the AI tech companies keep saying no. trust is a lot of jobs are going to be. lost, but AI is going to create so many. other jobs. But I haven't heard him. anyone answer what those jobs are going. to be. >> Yeah. I don't even think they know. honestly. >> They don't even know why these things.

are so good at what they are good at. They they they keep getting smarter and. smarter and they blow them away. >> Like Elon told me that every week he has. like these new discoveries that it's. like what? This is crazy. It's like. every week we're blown away. >> So they just it just keeps getting more. and more capable. They we don't know. where this is going. So, if you're in. college right now, like I mean. it's so cliche to say follow your dream, but really do follow your [ __ ] dream. because that might be the only thing. that you've got,

>> right? >> Because if you think you're just going. to get a really good job in an industry. that might be completely wiped out in. three years by AI, >> that's a lot of people are going to be. going down that path. >> Yep. >> A lot. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Is crime going to go up? have people out of jobs. They're going. to be, you know, what are these people. going to do? >> Could. >> I think it's universal basic income is. probably the only way to solve at least. on the short term. >> where how we're going to lose a lot of.

stuff. Look at you, man. You got a lot. of little tabs in there. >> I do. >> Very organized. You're very organized. >> Well, these are ones that I thought. >> could be cool com that that cool. conversation starters for uh for us. And. we've kind of covered actually some of. them. Um, you ever had anyone read poems. on this show before? >> Yeah. Lex Freriedman. >> Hell, there you go. All right. Uh, >> you want to find a good one? We'll wrap. it up with a great poem. >> Yeah, man. >> Let's go.

[Music]. >> This book is out right now. >> No, September the 16th. >> Oh, okay. >> September 16th. Um, this is a fun one. that I wrote. Um, it's kind of based on. uh um it's called it's based on extra. credit. kind of relying on fate or extra. credit that we get that sometimes we. rely on the extra credit participation. trophies. >> is where this one kind of started for. me. So I mean it's it's it's a fun one. Uh and it might get us talking about.

something. It's called tips included. Okay. When extra credits included, credit doesn't get its due. When more. gives us less, the exchange rate's going. to skew. When amnesty is offered going. into the crime, we're more bound to. commit it because there is no fine. We. start playing to tie instead of going. for the win. When participation's the. trophy for every cow in the pin. If I. stay on the porch because you picked up.

the slack when you look over your. shoulder, I can't have your back. If. there is no curfew, we'll stay out all. night. No tab at our bar, we get drunk. and start a fight. All these long lenses. got us losing our sight. You keep. lifting it for me, I'm going to lose all. my might. When a four-star duty suits a. six-star rate, we take our hands off the. wheel and rely on fate. Eating all we. can at the all we can eat buffet gives. us a 3.8 education and a 4.2 GPA.

We steal from ourselves and get away. with the scam. What's the measure of. merit with less give a damn? These. unlimited options, they sure got me. confused. While all the conveniences. keep me properly lubed in this red light. district with the [ __ ] of inflation, the ROI's math don't pay for the. vacation. So, let's just admit it. This. extra credits quite a fluffer because.

when the tips included, the service will. suffer. >> That's great. Is. >> that fun? >> That's really good. And dead on. You. [ __ ] Aaron right on the head. Perfect. >> It's a fun one, man. I mean, yeah, I got. I think I came when my. >> the 11th place team got the same size. trophy as the first place team. And I. was like, wait, they went 0 and 10, but. the winning team went 10 and0. You're. kind of like saying, oh, the winning. team went five and five and the losing.

team went five and five. I. I don't get it. Don't hurt, you know, don't hurt the feelings. Don't lose. Don't get told no. >> Your feelings have to get hurt. sometimes. That's how you learn and. grow. And you can't protect anybody from. that. >> And that's the problem. We want to do. that with our children. We like. >> all my best friends, all my favorite. people had terrible chaotic childhoods. and they all became very interesting. people. But I don't want my kids to have. a terrible chaotic childhood. I want. them to have like a wonderful.

lovefilled, you know, bountiful childhood. >> Yeah. >> But. >> that comes with. >> Yeah. Well, I think they have to find. things that they uh that they find that. are difficult that they get engrossed. with that they that they really love to. pursue. And fortunately, my kids do that. But I. think they you have to have a struggle. You have to have a task. If you just. want to like, oh, you get a trophy, too. Everybody gets a trophy. It's okay. No.

one there's no losers. >> It got hard. Okay, quit. When my kids. were real little, uh, one of my. daughters was playing in a soccer game. and they didn't they wouldn't say the. score. I'm like, but I know the [ __ ]. score. I just watched. They lost. >> You can't say there's no score. This is. so crazy. But they were doing this in. California. They had like scoreless. games. I'm like, okay. I mean, look, >> but look, why are you trying to score. then? Why are you trying to score if you.

don't count it? This doesn't make any. sense. This is soccer. Soccer has a. >> Why is our goalie trying to keep them. from scoring? >> Exactly. What's the point? >> Everybody What's up with the rules? Pick. it up with your hands. This is stupid. >> If if you don't have a loser, you don't. have a desire to get better, to become a. winner. >> Yeah, >> that's a part of the process. And. sometimes kids lose and they cry. And by. the way, if you don't ever go through. that, then you don't understand how to. lose. So you never develop a healthy.

ability to manage competitiveness. >> Yep. >> Amen. >> And some people just never get that, man. They they they never get healthy. competition. >> Makes for a very unhealthy person. >> to not be able to just compete. >> Well, especially once they leave the. house. >> Yes. >> And they're on their own because the. world sure plays by the rules and the. score is kept. >> Yes. >> And you don't win everyone. Yes. >> No matter how good you are. >> Yes. >> And. There's nobody coming back in to tuck.

you in bed and say it's okay, right? >> Let's put some ice on it. You're dealing. with yourself, man. >> That wakeup call, that's cold. >> It's cold bloodooded. >> I got a cool movie coming out called The. Lost Bus will be out uh in October. It's. going to be in theaters for a couple. weeks and it goes on Apple and streams. >> You remember the Paradise Fires in 2018. in Paradise, California? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I think uh I think the number was. 30 people or so died. Um, Jaime Lee. Curtis heard this story on NPR. It went.

to Jason Bloom and Jason Bloom went to. Paul Greengrass who's the director of. Captain Phillips, uh, United 93, uh, Black Sunday. Um, really good action. director, but also with a good personal. dramatic story in it. And then they came. to me for it. And there were a lot of. heroic people uh, that at that time that. went ran towards the crisis instead of. away from the crisis. But this one. particular story about this bus driver.

um and this teacher that uh um. got 22 kids to safety was the story we. picked to tell. And um we went and shot. it in Santa Fe. This guy that uh this. guy that I play is um Oh, here's the. trailer. >> Yeah, we're not listening to So just. tell me while while this trailer's going. on. Oh, okay. So, um, this guy Kevin in. our story comes back home because his.

dad has passed away and he's going to. take care of his widowed mother and try. to reunite with his son, which, by the. way, check this out, Joe. >> My mom plays my mom and Levi plays my. son. >> Oh, wow. >> In a movie, man. >> Your mom plays your mom. That's cool. >> Yeah. So, he comes back through that and. he gets a part-time job as as a uh. school bus driver. He goes out that. morning. There's a fire coming across. the canyon as they always do. No. problem. You know, first responders head out. Well, by the afternoon, it had got no. out of hand and was jumping the canyon.

And so that afternoon, as he's now. decided, oh [ __ ] I got to go back and. get my mom and my son. Neither one of. them even drive, get them to safety. On. the way home, barging home to go barge. down the highway to go get them. A call. comes through dispatch. I got 22. stranded kids on the east side of town. Is anyone over there with an empty bus? >> Whoa. Guess who's got an empty bus? [ __ ]. Want to go get my mom and my son, man. What? But he takes the call and says, "I'll go get them.".

>> He goes and gets them. A teacher, their. teacher, gets on the bus and this is. their story of about eight hours of. going through hell and how and if they. they got out of it. And really awesome. adrenaline pumped action which you're. going to get from Green Grass and a. story like that. Like the fire. This is. as good as a fire movie as there's been. The fire is a [ __ ] predator. It's. from the POV. It's like Jaws. The fire. is actually like the shark in Jaws in. this thing. Plus a really cool story of.

redemption, father sons. Um and uh. you know, two people doing what they can. to survive when there were no there were. no contact. All the telephone towers are. down and the dispatch was down. No one. had any contact. So he didn't know if. his mom and son were okay. He didn't. know where to go, where the traffic jams. were. And what happened is the first. responders left early to go get the. fires. When they got there, it had. already jumped the canyon. So when the. they were coming back to town, the. mandatory evacuation, the whole town's.

leaving. It couldn't get back in town. >> So it's a uh it's a bit of a horror film. in that way, but um movie. >> fire is a predator, man. Yeah, >> that is what it feels like. If you ever. get stuck in one of those things, >> it feels like a monster. Yeah, >> that sounds awesome. >> That uh it's pretty good. It's tough. Tough movie, but a good one. >> Beautiful. >> Yeah, >> I can't wait to see it. >> Cool, man. >> Thank you for being here, man. It was a. lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. Thank. you. And that poem was awesome. That was.

really good. So dead on the head. >> That's the best participation trophy. poem of all time. >> Was really good. >> Uh the book is called. >> There it is right there. Poems and. prayers. Uh out soon. pre-order now. Did. you do the audio? You did, right? Of. course you did. You have to. You can't. have an actor do your voice. How dare. you? That would be impossible. Okay. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. >> Absolutely. >> Goodbye, everybody.

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