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Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> We're up. What up, dog? How are you? >> We're back. >> We're back again. How many text messages. have we been exchanging back and forth. where we're like, "What the fuck?". >> Oh, it's nuts. It goes so deep. >> It goes. >> so deep. This this is to me this is one.

of the most exciting moments in in terms. of like politics in terms of like who's. in control like having RFK Jr. at the. helm of the HHS and having him like. really pushing to get peptides through, really pushing to stop all this [ __ ]. that's been going on and and seeing all. these [ __ ] roaches coming running out. when the lights come on. >> Yeah, >> it's been crazy.

>> It's definitely been crazy. And and for. anyone who doesn't know my background, because if they haven't heard our. previous podcast, you know, I started. out as a drug rep for Eli Liy and I did. that for three years. So I saw behind. the curtain. This was right out of. college. And then I was a med device. rep. And then I owned labs, blood labs, toxicology labs. I uh pharmaccogenetic. labs. I tried to go educate clinicians. on all this preventative care stuff. within the insurance framework within. the system. And I was I've been blowing. the you and I did I think the first one. four years ago where I was trying to.

blow the whistle on there is a lot of. corruption, collusion, and corporate. capture throughout every one of these. organizations top to bottom. every. alphabet organization, whether we're. talking the EPA, the CDC, uh the NIH, the FB. >> See the guy from the CDC that just. resigned. >> Oh, man. >> The guy who he has like literally a. pentagram dog collar thing on his chest. Do you know this guy? >> Oh, I know. I know what you're talking.

about. >> This [ __ ] freak who's upset that. they're not giving babies hepatitis B. shot. So he literally in an interview. yesterday said his biggest concern is. that they're going to get rid of. hepatitis B shots. Children aren't. having sex or shooting up drugs. Why do. they need a HEP B shot? >> Because they're paying. >> Cuz heep heep B shots are paying. >> Yeah, >> they're paying. >> Well, and that's the problem is as as. you like systematically walk through. these systems in the history of each one. of these organizations, I can show you. time and time again. And I went from,

you know, coming on this podcast and. trying to educate people on the. importance of taking themselves out of. that system, doing blood work, getting. proactive and predictive, preventing. chronic disease. Don't put your hands in. the fate of these broken systems. And. that led to getting to meet RFK and. being a part of the MA, testifying in. front of the Senate, and then I've. testified at the state level. and Joe, the [ __ ] level of [ __ ] and shady. [ __ ] that I've seen now behind the.

scenes getting line of sight into the. government side because I didn't I was. on the outside in the periphery somewhat. aware of the government stuff, but now. having got behind the curtain, dude, it runs so much deeper and it's so. much darker and it's so much more. controlled than I ever realized. >> Well, it's all money, man. And there's. so much money. I mean it it has to be. one of the biggest industries in the. country, right? >> Oh, it I think HHS and even even HHS, which all falls under Secretary Kennedy.

now, I think it's between 70 and 80,000. people, right? And so when people are. asking how does why aren't we moving. faster? Why aren't we doing this? Why. aren't we doing that? It's like you're. trying to move the Titanic. There's all. these divisions within HHS, the CDC, the. NIH, the FDA, and it's whack-a-ole. And. every day a new fire pops up. And every. day you've got industry lobbying, politicking, and moving chess pieces to. obstruct, delay, deny, depose, and.

prevent any sort of change. And you've. got legacy employees. There's literally. there is literally a memo at the NIH. that's being circulated around about how. to subvert and ignore President Trump. and Secretary Kennedy's mandates, which. isn't President Trump and Secretary. Kenny. It's the American people's voice. The American people voted for change. We're over the corruption. We're over. the collusion. We're over the corporate. capture. And. >> and for most people that I know, this.

was one of the biggest factors in in. this administration like voting in. Trump. The one of the biggest things was. getting Kennedy in there. >> Same. Yeah. I I I believe that the maja. moms and this healthc care movement and. the frustration with the broken health. care system was a a a deciding factor in. Trump winning this election. And my fear. is if we don't keep the pressure up at. these midterms, it doesn't matter. Republican or Democrats. Historically,

both sides have been corrupted. Uh and. both sides have made catastrophic. mistakes. Uh, and if we walk through. like each one of these organizations. like back to the even the FDA. Okay. So, most recently. I'm in Europe and I've got eyes and ears. everywhere or you tell me where the best. place to start is cuz I want to there's. so much ground to cover. >> Okay. So, uh, Secretary Kennedy set up a. meeting for me with the FDA back in. January and he said, "I want you to come.

with an open mind, open heart. They're. going to do the same. And I want you to. just sit down and lay out for these. folks what you've seen, what you've. experienced, and help them understand. what compounders, tele medicine. companies, stem cell companies, regenerative medicine practices, cash. pay practices across the country are. experiencing because of the FDA's. choices and decisions made in a vacuum. And so I went to this meeting, flew to. DC, sat down with all these folks. They're taking notes. They all seemed. really friendly. There was probably.

eight or nine people in the room and I. left there and a day later and I and and. everyone's like, "How do you think it. went?" I said, "They seemed very. receptive." Like everyone was nice, everyone smiled and everyone was just. seemed friendly. Hand to God, I get a call from a person. at the FDA and they say, "I want you to. know they're going to smile. [ __ ] you.". And I said, "What?" And this person. said, "They're going to smile. [ __ ]. you.". And I go, "What do you mean?" They're.

going to smile to your face and they're. going to ramrod all the things that you. went in to talk to them about. So like. one of the things that I wanted to talk. to them about was the GLP1s. Forget. whether good or bad. Let's just shelf. that for the moment. GLP1s. have their origination at the National. Institute for Health. >> Let's explain to people that's OMIC WGO. That's correct. Those weight loss. >> all all these blockbuster weight loss. peptides. But it's bigger than them. being a weight loss peptide. They fall. under the category of peptides. And it's.

a slippery slope because if we allow the. pharmaceutical industry to capture. peptides, it will shut down all future. innovation of peptides for. compoundingies, for tele medicine, for. any of these things. >> unless they have patents on it. >> Correct. And and you and I talked about. this the last podcast and I was spot on. All the things I was telling you, I have. now confirmed having gone to meetings. with the FDA. I sat in that meeting and. I said you got So what happened is Eli.

Liy is now one of the largest makers of. this weight loss peptide. It's it's. essentially Novo Nordisk and Eli Liy. They have lobbied hard with the FDA to. say we can meet the needs of the. American people. There is no reason why. anybody should be compounding any of. these peptides. They're dangerous. You. guys don't inspect compoundingies. There's no FDA oversight. These products. are made in garages and there's no uh. FDA ingredients in them. They're not the.

same product. XYZ, just go down the list. of all the narratives that they're. spinning to the FDA. And when the FDA is. only hearing one side of the story and. 60% of their funding comes from. industry, what you will see is time and. time again they side with industry. So. the FDA defaulted right before to their. generic answer right before Secretary. Kennedy and Donald Trump took control. They expired the exemption that was. allowing compoundingies to make. cost-effective alternatives that.

patients could utilize. And this is. crucial. The reason that you're seeing. side effects, the reason you're seeing. this cascade effect of issues is because. they are not treating patients with the. most efficacious dose for that patient. They're treating patients with the. dosage that reimburses the highest. reimbursement rate on the insurance. formulary. And I can prove this. They. are overdosing people under like. literally they're not taking the time to. do the consult to educate the patient on.

diet, lifestyle, nutrition. There is. zero doubt that GLP-1s are overutilized. in America. There's zero doubt that they. should not be a frontline defense. There. is zero doubt that they don't come with. some sort of risk factors. But most of. those risk factors are found in higher. dosages. So why would you start a. patient on a higher dosage? Why would. you rapidly titrate them up to a higher. dosage where you're causing catastrophic. muscle loss? It's because it reimburses. more. It's not because it's what's. better for the patient. It's because.

it's what's better for Wall Street. >> Jesus. Okay. And then their answer is. compoundingies, we titrate at a lower. dosage. We're unique to the patient. So. what we try to do is start you at a. micro dose and then also what we do is. comp compound it and add other uh. peptides. So like one example of they're. literally working to patent a. combination of a GLP-1 and IGF LR3. We've been making that for five years.

Like four years. >> Say that again. uh GLP1. the weight loss and IGF insulin growth. factor LR3 timereleased insulin growth. factor and the reason being IGF. preserves lean muscle mass IGF preserves. bone mineral density IGF helps reduce. visceral fat IGF has a cascade of. benefits that allow us to micro dose a. GLP-1 at a much lower dosage where you. don't get the muscle wasting and so this. compound in trials right now is showing. 20%.

body fat fat loss and it or 20% uh loss. relative to the GLP1 ones, but all of. it's body fat. Almost all of it is fat. You're not losing the muscle and. compounders are already making this. stuff, right? And so where I'm going. with this is Lily lobbies the FDA and in. Novo Nordisk and they say these drugs. are dangerous. Let's look into that. Step one, Eli Liy and Novo Nordisk both. have warning letters from the FDA for. their manufacturing facilities. Novo. Nordisk was cited as having cat hair and.

pest activity. I don't know if it's. rats, if it's roaches in their sterile. rooms. This is the FDA's own inspection. Eli. Liy has been cited time and time again. for his egregious actions, destroying. records, hiding clinical data, a. barefoot woman in their sterile room. The FDA uncovered all of this through. whistleblowers. Furthermore, there's. over 2,000 major pharmaceutical.

manufacturing facilities that have not. been investigated in five or more. [ __ ] years. And so my message to the. FDA was, one, you're wrong. You've. inspected me three times in 18 months. Two, Eli Liy and Novo Nordisk are not. making a safer product. They're not at a. higher level of manufacturing specs. You. guys look at them less often than you do. compounders and they don't make dosages. unique to patients. So, we're titrating. dosages down, allowing patients to.

optimize the benefits, minimize the side. effects, not a one-sizefits-all. approach. And then last but not least, it's cash pay. We aren't billing. insurance carriers. We aren't billing. Medicare, Medicaid, and we're not. charging $1,300. a month average wholesale price. We're. able to ship these products for a couple. hundred bucks to your doorstep with a. nutritional consult. And so it's a. better mousetrap. And what you'll see. time and time again is if industry is.

getting beat, if big farm is getting. beat, they just change the rules to the. game. And so where this is going though. is so much bigger and grander, Joe. So. that I asked the FDA, "What made you. think that this is no longer on a. backlogs list?" Because it was an. emergency backlogs list. So the FDA. provides a list every year where they. tell compounders, "We can't get these. drugs. We need you to compound these. drugs." Think of it like the BAT signal.

Bat signal goes off. We jump to it. We. start compounding those drugs. The. exemption expired under Biden right. before Secretary Kennedy and Trump took. control. The old regime at the FDA. ramrotted it through. Now it's not. exempt. Now 503barmacies. cannot compound it because they don't. make patient specific which means a lot. of those products are no longer. available. But they did that decision. based off the fact that these crucial. diabetic patients would be able to get. the drugs they need. This is where the.

plot thickens. We called over 30,000. pharmacies for 12 months. I turned all. of this into the FDA. less than 6%. of the lower dosages were available for. patients, which meant what? They had to. go to the higher dosages, which meant. what? All of these programs get build a. higher reimbursement rate, a higher. billable rate. Eli Liy, and Novo aren't. mad that compounders are making the.

product. They're mad that they're. getting exposed for the corruption, collusion, and manipulation of our. healthcare institutions. time and time. again and it's going to get 10 times. worse as I lay this out for you, but. I'll pause for a second. >> Okay, so pause right here. So, what is a. response to this? So, you lay out this. information. What can be done and what is the. response? >> So, they all they were friendly. They. smiled. They were dropping down notes. One of the head clinic drawing dicks.

probably draws. >> one one of the clinicians from the FDA. uh Kenny who's never practiced medicine. said there's no medical need for. peptides in this meeting and he's like. but today we're going to talk mainly. about GLP1s. There's a need for GLP1s. Okay, I dig in. Where did this guy do. his uh he he's a he is a clinician but. his first stint in politics was in the. state of Indiana. in Indianapolis. Eli Liy's headquarters.

I worked for Eli Liy in Eli Liy owns the. state of Indiana and they absolutely own. the state or the city of Indianapolis. And this guy did his first stint. uh in politics under a congresswoman. congressman, sorry, in the state of. Indiana in Indianapolis. And this. congressman has released multiple. multiple tweets and messages and attends. Eli Liy factory openings and is a huge. proponent of Eli Liy. And this is just.

one example of the issues with that. system. >> He's also the statement that peptides. have no medical use when GLP1s are. [ __ ] peptides. >> That's literally what I said. That's I. said you do understand that a GLP-1 is a. peptide. Insulin is a peptide. There are. over 150 peptides that big pharma is. attempting to patent right now. Because. the future of medicine is peptides. And. here's why. We don't we aren't. compounding a drug. We're taking. something found naturally in nature, a.

signaling cell found in your body, just. like stem cells, just like amnon, just. like all of these crucial building. blocks to our health and longevity that. are deficient in our foods, deficient in. our diet, deficient in our lifestyle. We. don't get enough sun. We have too much. screen time. We're inactive. And all of. that shit's taken in our bodies. Shocker, right? And as we age, there's a. precipitous decline in peptides, in. building blocks. One example, GHK, copper peptide. We know we have roughly.

30 to 40% of the level of GHK in our. bloodstream in our 40s that we had in. our teens. Why is that important? It's. an important signaling cell that tells. your body that you're young. Your cells. are young. Your skin's elastic. Heal. this injury. Heal this wound. Reduce. this inflammation. Right? It's safe. It's benign. It's found in nature. We're. synthesizing that. That's what peptides. are. And big pharma got beat to the. punch by compoundingies. And.

compoundingies have an array of peptides. in their tool belt. And the war on. peptides has gone beyond the GLP1s. And. this is what I wanted to explain. So. it's very complicated. I got to make. sure I nail this right because it's. important for President Trump to. understand this. President Trump, the. art of the deal, the master negotiator. is attempting to play hard ball with big. pharma. And he is going to negotiate a. deal for best-in-class, best in the. world drug pricing for the American.

people. And that's very admirable. And I. respect the hell out of him for trying. to get it done. But the devil is in the. details. And my fear is historically big. government has been co-opted and. colluded by pharma. And when they're not. able to pull a lever and move a chess. piece, they outmaneuver them. And it's. already happening. Eli Liy CEO announced. he's going to raise the prices of drugs. in Europe to offset the price reduction. in America.

But what that really means is we're not. going to get the price concession that. Donald Trump, President Trump is working. for, right? Because what he's doing is. the same thing we already see with the. pharmacy benefit managers that I've. explained on this podcast before. The. PBMs artificially inflate the price. because they get a rebate on the back. end from the big pharmaceutical. companies that's hidden, that's not. disclosed to the public. Then when they. negotiate a deal with Medicare, Medicaid, Triricare, they tell the. government, "We're giving you 30% off.

You're giving us 30% off a [ __ ]. price that you created cuz you set the. market." And if we give these people a. monopoly, we already know where it goes. We can see it time and time again. Eli. Liy's price of production on insulin. became onetenth of what it used to be. And they charge 10 times the dollar. amount of the retail price of insulin. And I've also Jamie on any of this stuff. on the ways to well website I did the. JRE experience uh links again because.

I'm referencing so many things that. people are going to say no way. So Lily. literally. >> so go to wastewell.com. >> and and there's JRE links. There's a. links page where I reference everything. I'm talking about. So. >> the wait is over. Two poundfor-pound. kings, one epic showdown. Canelo versus. Crawford going toe-to-toe at last. And. DraftKings Sportsbook is in your corner. From the opening bell to the final blow.

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Okay? Animal derived thyroid has been around. since 1890. We have compounded it for. over a decade. I have had not one. adverse event in a dec not [ __ ] one. We sit we ship 6,000 bottles of. medication a day at my pharmacy revive. We have had minimal side effects in. literally over a decade. Big pharma has. lobbyed the FDA to say these thyroid. medicines are dangerous. We need you to. shut down animal-derived thyroids. Why?

Because they're attempting to launch a. thyroid medicine. And they want the. thyroid labeled as a biologic. Why would. you label it as a biologic? Because by. labeling it as a biologic, you subvert. President Trump's mission to reduce the. price of a drug. Because it's not a. drug, I'm selling you a biologic. So now. I can bin you over the barrel and screw. you again on the price. Here's where it. runs even deeper. This is where it gets. crazy. A patent on a drug is usually.

five years. Do you know what the patent. life is on a biologic? 12 [ __ ] years. So, Eli, Lily, all of the Novo, Nordisk, all of these entities are attempting to. put pressure on the FDA to reclassify. drugs as biologics. They want GLP1s as. biologics. They want HCG as biologics. They want all of these amazing compounds. that we've been providing for people for.

over a decade to all be reclassified as. a biologic. And that is the [ __ ]. straw that will break the camel's back. the final death blow to tele medicine. and compoundingarmacies because the. third part of the equation is you cannot. compound a biologic the FDA stance is it. is illegal for me as a compounder to. compound a biologic so now you give a. monopoly to big pharma you get rid of. all price competition in a market where.

the president's main goal is to reduce. the price of drug costs if you want to. reduce the price of drug costs the way. you do it is through competition. And we. saw it with the GLP1s. The only price. concession that any of these. [ __ ] have given the American. people in the last 20 [ __ ] years is. because the pressure of an open market. People quit going and buying these. retail drugs at $1,300 a month because. they couldn't get the dosage they. wanted. They're getting titrated up to.

these mega dosages that are causing. muscle wasting, bone mineral density. loss, loss of vision. There's a $2. billion lawsuit against these scumbags. right now. And I'm sorry. I've I've bit. my tongue historically and tried to be. like politically correct to an extent on. here, but I can't do it. Like, this is. insane. And I go back to if RFK and and. this administration was not in power, all of this would have just happened. So, I text texted the secretary and his. team and I said, I have to ring the bell. on something. and I've educated them on.

what's happening and all the moves that. are being made. And the FDA was. reviewing in a court document that. nobody knew about. This is the problem. with having 70,000 employees. There are. legacy employees that have tight. collusion relationships with industry. that have been there 20 [ __ ] years. that they're going to do what you let. them do. And their offense is you run. the big pharma offense. We're going to. we're going to obstruct compounders. We're going to prevent tele medicine. We're going to push people back to sick.

care. We're going to launch drugs into. the marketplace. And let's look at the. history of safety. Joe, if we look at, again, I'm I'm going to keep hammering. on Lily. Lily in a lawsuit against Mochi. Health last week at a at a federal judge. is suing Mochi for using GLP1s for. weight loss. And their claim is, you are. violating our patent, which you're not. because it's patient unique. you are uh. and it's a peptide which is naturally. found in the human body and you didn't. create the peptide the NIH did our.

taxpayer dollars cuz we fund the NIH. that's where all of these originated out. of the last there's so much but out of. the last 210 blockbuster drugs between. 2010 and I think 2016. blockbuster drugs how many of those do. you think big pharma started at big. pharma versus started at the NIH. >> I would bet most of them started at NIH. 100%. of the compounds that became blockbuster. drugs had their roots at the NIH.

>> So taxpayer funded and then these. pharmaceutical drug companies get a. monopoly on them. >> Boom. And then we get rammed in the ass. for the next if they get what they want. next 12 years. >> and we fund it. >> 100%. >> Wow. >> And the so the FDA my argument to the. FDA scam. >> It's nuts. >> What a scam. And my argument to the FDA. in this meeting was these compounds are. safe. One, they're safe. They're they're. naturally occurring in nature. They're. prescribed under the supervision of a.

board-certified clinician. They're. compounded at a compounding pharmacy. that is inspected by the FDA, right? That you've inspected me three times in. 18 months. All of our API and. ingredients are sourced from the same. exact suppliers as Novo and Lily and all. of the big far pharmaceutical cartels. We all buy the ingredients from the same. places. The only difference is, and this is what. I told Secretary Kennedy and the FDA, the difference between me and Novo and.

me and Eli Liy is I actually manufacture. and produce my product here on American. soil and employ over 500 hardworking. American people. Ask Big Pharma why. they're moving all their facilities to. India and Ireland to escape the scrutiny. of the FDA. They don't want you in their. factories. They don't want you able to. challenge them or stifle their ability. to print cash, right? I can't play by. those rules. I can't jockey that. The. state of Texas is currently suing Eli.

Liy. This came out. Kim Paxton sued Eli. Liy like three weeks ago uh because of. fraudulent activity where they were. providing kickbacks to providers. And. this is important too. If you have a. clinician and you go to your doctor and. they will not prescribe you a. medication, you need to understand you, the patient, get to decide where that. prescription goes. Not your doctor. That. is not your doctor's decision. So when a. doctor says, "I'm not going to let you. go to a compounding pharmacy, you need. to fire that [ __ ] doctor." That is.

not their choice. They cannot force you. to go pay $1,300 at CVS. That is not. their choice. And there are academic. institutions like Methodist Hospital. that have policies that say, "We're not. going to prescribe compounded medicines. on GLP1s. You've got to go to the retail. drug because we think compounds are. dangerous." Where is this coming from? Where in in this court document I was. going to that just came out last week, Eli Liy Sudmochi Health uh claiming that. they're violating the corporate practice.

of medicine. So they're not just. attacking the compounding process, they're also trying to obstruct via the. FDA and they're now suing everybody in. their mom in this industry who compounds. or runs a tele medicine practice. And. Lily is challenging that tele medicine. is legal. Eli Liy is literally challenging that. tele medicine is legal because one of. the ways that so many patients are. getting accessibility to costeffective. care is tele medicine. And Lily thinks.

if we can shut down the pathway of tele. medicine, we can force them to our own. company which Lily launched their own. little tele medicine branch that you can. call in. But in the meantime, they're. claiming that that these companies are. violating the corporate practice of. medicine. >> They just want full monopoly. >> 100%. >> So what can be done? >> We're doing it like candidly. We're. doing So I leave that first meeting with. the FDA. I I get that message from this. individual at the FDA and I thought I'm. going to wait and see. I I hope this. person's wrong. Um let's see what.

happens. And uh when we were in Europe, I get a call uh from another source that. said, "Hey, they're they're doing it. They're in a court document. The FDA is. going to make a stance that says there. is no medical necessity for peptides, which would ineffectively in effect ban. over 50 peptides that have been being. compounded. Now remember, they already. put, I think, over a dozen peptides on a. bulk list a year ago. That's all.

separate from the GLP1. Why did they do. that? Because of the lobby of big. pharma. You have people at the FDA who. are legacy employees of the FDA, who. have legacy relationships with big. pharma. We've already gone over how many. heads of the FDA have gone to work for. industry and then come back to work for. the FDA and then gone. It's a revolving. door. They're they're swapping spit. They're lobbying together. They're going. to dinners together. They're spending. time together. And the CEO of Lily is up.

Trump's ass. I was with another high. highlevel person at HHS and their phone. kept ringing. I swear to God, kept. ringing and they looked at their phone. and they go, "God, man, these people. from Eli Liy are aggressive.". And all of this was happening in the. dark. And so what we can do is what. we're doing. this podcast getting. President Trump's attention, gaining the. attention of Secretary Kennedy and the. team at the FDA. And Secretary Kennedy. and his team are playing whack-a-ole,

you know, because it's, you got to. think, it's not just the FDA, it's the. CDC, it's the NIH, 80,000 employees. I. think they have 200 appointees from the. new administration. You got, you're. literally, it's like the Spartans versus. the Persians. You got 200 hard hitters. trying to fight 80,000 people that have. been co-opted. And I'm not there to say. all those people are bad. There's a lot. of good things that have been done at. all of these organizations. But there's.

also a natural innate bias when a big. chunk of your funding pivoted in the '9s. where over 60% of the FDA's funding is. based off fee schedules. And those fee. schedules generate the revenue that. create your jobs. and you have an open. door policy to meet with the FDA, but. you're not meeting with compounders and. you're not reading the emails from. compounders, right? And so there when I. told the FDA, "What made you decide this. backlog was over?" They said, "Well, industry told us they could meet the. need." And I said, "Okay, well, did you.

see the email I sent you where we. contacted over 30,000ies for 12 months. and they can't meet the need? Less than. 6% of prescriptions were available. They. cannot meet the need. They're going to. force people to higher dosages and it's. going to cause a catastrophic health. consequence to the American people and. it's going to bankrupt our systems. Did. you not see these emails? And they just. sat there dead quiet. And so jump. forward. I get when that in a court. document and it's all in it's all in. secret, right? All this [ __ ] happens in.

the shadows and then they play dumb. Oh, we didn't know. What do you mean? We. didn't understand. We we that's just a. court document, Secretary Kennedy. [ __ ] It's a court document that. sets precedent and that precedent says. that peptides have no medical necessity. while at the same time you have big. pharma trying to patent 140 [ __ ]. peptides as biologics that we were. already making for the last decade. >> Jesus. >> Is it about safety? Is it about safety? Because all of the adverse events that. have been reported, almost all of them, a huge majority of the adverse events,

which aren't even that many, came from. black market peptides. And that's what. Lily's Lily in the court case two weeks. ago presented to the judge all the. adverse events and the judge said, "Where are they?" And Lily said, "Right. here in this Reddit forum." I swear to. God. >> Oh my god. >> And the judge saidd forum. >> Are you really telling me that your. documentation of adverse events is. coming from a Reddit forum? >> You should send them to the flat earth. Reddit forum.

>> Let's see what else is going on here. >> So that's just like a a sliver, Joe. like a [ __ ] sliver of what I've been. living. >> One of my favorite narratives is that. they're trying to do good. >> That's one of my favorite narratives. One of my favorite narratives whenever. there's any sort of large-scale. government organization is that we are. trying to protect people from harm. They're [ __ ] never. No one is trying. to protect you. everyone at every level. of the government. Whether it is about. climate change, whether is about.

geopolitical relationships, whatever the. [ __ ] it is, it is all about money. There's not a single thing that you. could point to. Well, the government. really cares here. >> This is the one. This this one is a. large huge corrupted organization that. really cares. Like there's not one. >> and you can historically go back. Like. that's where it's like I'm not a. conspiracy theorist. I know people want. to label it is that if you go back the. FDA's predecessor I think was the food. something act of 1901 and as they went. to try and create this organization.

industry assembled whose industry big. chemical big food pharma. >> well Rockefeller literally set the tone. for the entire medical establishment in. this country by using petroleumbased. medicine. >> You got it. >> Yeah. And people don't know this, like. most of your medicines in this country. are formulated with the use of petroleum. and that is because of Rockefeller. >> Yep. >> Because he had a monopoly on that.

>> and that's why the side effect profile. is higher and that's why peptides don't. have any of these things. Again, we're. synthesizing shortchain amino acids. found in our body that we're deficient. in. And so as we begin to see a. precipitous decline in all of these raw. elements that allow our bodies to heal. and recover, we can bring you back to a. state of homeostasis. through the utilization of peptides. And. big pharma is realizing they got beat to. the punch and they're scrambling to.

capitalize and monopolize this entire. sector. And the only way they can do. that is to try and horse trade with. President Trump and the administration. and pretend like they're going to play. the game. But they're not going to play. the game. They're just going to move the. goalpost. >> There's no way Trump is aware of all. this. >> This is an ad by Better Help. When you. have a problem, when you're feeling. down, it's nice having someone to turn. to, like a partner who could cheer you. up, a friend to vent to, a parent who.

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one with BetterHelp. Our listeners get. 10% off their first month at. betterhelp.com/jre. That's betterhp.com/jre. >> Well, he's got too many things he's. fighting and that's why I'm trying to. ring the bell. >> I've talked to him. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's no way. >> Yeah. >> With the way that guy's mind works, there's no way he's absorbing all this. >> So, the message that Secretary Kennedy. gave me, and this is where I'm like,

it isn't woo woo. It isn't [ __ ] I. can tell you I've texted that guy two. times in my life. And both times he's. called me within 10 minutes. And I. texted him. I said, "I have an. emergency. This is a big deal. I want to. make you aware of something that's. happening at the FDA." And he called me. and said, "What's going on?" And I laid. it out for him. and he said, "What the. [ __ ] are you talking about?" Basically, I had no idea. And it's not. >> he's again, he's playing whack-a-ole. He's got 500 fires. You've got some. legacy employee at the FDA that's going.

to try and make this statement in a. court document that's flying under the. radar because it's not an overarching. policy, right? And then even in the. subsequent meeting, so RFK said, "Give. me 10 minutes." 10 minutes later, I'm on. calls with the FDA. Then he's like, "How. soon can you come meet with the FDA. again?" So, we set an emergency. conference call. I do a call with the. FDA. He said again his his Secretary. Kennedy's team said they're going to. approach this with an open mind and an. open heart and they're going to have. there it's going to be a different tone.

than the last meeting and I'm going to. try and attend that call or have one of. my staffers attend that call. Okay. The. call went down at like 8 in the morning. when he was in Alaska and then another. mole leaked to me cuz I have moles. I'm. play I'm playing the game they play now. I'm not gonna [ __ ] around. And my mole. called me and said they scheduled the. meeting early because they knew he'd be. in Alaska and they knew he couldn't be. on it. And that call did not go well. It. was a bunch of legacy FDA employees. basically saying we're going to we're.

going to stay the course. We're not. opening peptides up to the American. people. And so I had to text his team. and go, "Hey, I the call didn't go. well." And then they're they're like, "Our intel is telling us the same. thing." And so he stepped in and said, "This is a mandate. We are not going to. dictate to the American people that they. can or cannot use preventative care and. peptides. This is a mandate. You need to. figure this out and we need to open. accessibility and we need to bring. peptides back for the American people.

through safe compliant compoundingies, not black market which is springing up. everywhere. We're going to have another. opioid crisis. I explained this to them. too. Everywhere out there, there are. peptides that you can buy online now. with no checks and balances, with no FDA. inspection, with no validation testing, with no way of telling if there's any. contamination, crosscontamination, >> or if they're even real. >> Yeah. >> I've had people buy Ipamoralin. online and you know that that's a.

peptide that when you do it, it has a. very strong reaction like you feel it in. your body like immediately after there's. nothing. They get nothing. I'm like, "Yeah, it's probably bullshit.". >> Yeah, >> you're buying [ __ ] peptides. But the. point is, like, if Kennedy is not aware. of all this, there's no way Trump is. >> Yeah, >> he cannot be. >> No, they have too many things they're. fighting. >> He's literally involved in Rwanda having. like like peace talks with with with. enemies that have been enemies for 20,

30 years, trying to bring them to the. table. all the [ __ ] that's going on with. Gaza and Palestine and Israel, all the. [ __ ] that's going on with Ukraine and. Russia. Do you think he even understands. peptides? Yeah. Like, look at them. >> Well, the health care system is. complicated. It's nuanced. And the. challenge is you have some of the best. litigators and attorneys in the world on. payroll for these big pharmaceutical. cartels, >> of course. >> And they fund 60% of the FDA. And the.

history of the FDA is that it I've I've. said over and over again, it's captured, but the truth is all of these. organizations were born in captivity. They were born in captivity. >> News. >> Yeah, >> that's the craziest thing. >> Yeah. >> Anderson Cooper brought to you by Fizer. >> Well, they're even doing it right now, making it look like the world's turning. I don't know if you saw Bernie Sanders. tweeted, "RFK's got to go." All these. people. But the truth is last week they. announced the approval ratings and RFK. is up seven points in the approval rate.

The highest rating of any elected. official. The American people are not. turning on RFK. Even the CDC debacle. that people are turning into the news is. making out to be a debacle. You lost. legacy employees. You lost this dude. wearing sex gear and [ __ ] on covers of. magazines who wants everyone to get he. Nobody's saying you can't vaccinate your. kids. Nobody's saying not to literally. no reason. >> I know. But what all they're saying. right now is all they're saying right. now is we don't want to keep mandating.

without science without evidence and we. want to understand is there a potential. risk of side effects when we hit a child. with this many vaccines before the age. of two. Did you see the conversation. that uh Kennedy had where he was talking. about um they were talking about measles. and he said we have had four deaths from. measles in the last 20 years. Do you. know how many cases of autism that we've. had? >> And he he rattled off that like the. numbers you know in California it's.

literally 1 in 12 boys now. >> Yep. >> Do you know how insane that is? He said. that at the uh at the Texas legislature. when Abbott signed off on the bills that. I helped testify on. >> But yet you're having guys like Bernie. Sanders who doesn't know I look listen. >> I'm an old school Bernie bro. I love. Bernie. I love the idea of Bernie. Yeah. >> Bernie doesn't know what the [ __ ] he's. talking about. >> Bernie didn't know what the [ __ ] he was. talking about when it came to climate. change. >> Yeah. >> It's a real thing. Climate change is. definitely happening. Like what are you. saying? Like what does that mean? Has. the climate ever been static? Like when.

you like confront him on the details, he. really doesn't know what he's talking. about. frustrating is. >> they're narratives. >> Yes, they're narratives. >> So the narratives is that what what. we've done with vaccines is stop all the. diseases. Okay. Are you sure? Do you. really know that? Have you ever looked. at the history of the eradication of. diseases and the introduction of. sanitation, running water? Have you looked at any of. that stuff? Nutrition, vitamins, you. looked at any of that stuff? Do you do. you know anything about polio for real?

When I tell people the polio statistic. that 95 to 99% of polio is asymptomatic, it's one of my favorite questions. Yeah. >> I'm like, what percentage of polio? You. know, >> do you do you also follow that? So, >> the DDT story. >> Boom. So, do you know that the CDC this. is this these are there's so many. [ __ ] crazy stories. The CDC was. created in World War II to stop the. malaria spread. Okay? And the first. thing they did was ink a deal with a.

little chemical company called Monsanto. where they began to dump DDT into all of. these countries to try and kill malaria. And they spread a array of health issues. that lasted generations and gave. immunity and did all these things. That. was the foundation of the CDC. And where. it gets even crazier is guess how nobody. talks about this [ __ ] Do you know how. the where the CDC's headquarters is? Their headquarters in Atlanta was gifted. to them by CocaCola. The CDC to this day.

is in a [ __ ] giant building that was. given to them by Coca-Cola. And in a. foyer request, there is a [ __ ] email. from one of the executives at the CDC. I. don't remember like the 70s or 80s where. they're literally going back and forth. with CocaCola and saying they're going. to do all they can to shut down this bad. information on sugar. >> It runs so deep. And then you go to the.

EPA. >> You go to the EPA and its relationships. with Monsanto. The EPA in a foyer. request, one of the heads of the EPA. with regards to glyphosate in disclosure. documents, literally send an email. saying if I pull this off for you guys, you owe me a [ __ ] medal. All of this shit's out there. I put all. of it on the website. You can go find. all of this stuff. It is there. And so. systematically, FDA, CDC, EPA, NIH,

every one of these systems have been. built, co-opted, corrupted, and. developed alongside industry. And even. when you talk about chronic disease, so. many people, there's a big podcast that. dropped that if anyone it's it gets into. anti-depressants and a lot of people. don't know this because I want to. quantify peptides because you're going. to have academia go, well the difference. is drugs are investigated and peptides. aren't and there's no placeboc.

controlled double blind studies. One, there are. There's a lot and we can. systematically break that down, too. They just haven't gone through an FDA. approval process because that cost $2. billion. Well, who. billion dollars to bring a drug to. market? >> What a great way to be a gateway. >> Boom. It was established by big pharma. Big pharma told the FDA, let's build. this model, right? So then they capture. the molecule at the NIH level, bring it. to phase two and three trials, bring it.

into human trials. The cost of doing. that is not what they make it out to be. And then it's a pay-to-play system and. it's an obstructionist system that. stifles and prevents innovation. Because. if I'm a biotech startup or a. compounding pharmacy or a stem cell. company or a peptide company or anybody. who wants to get into that space, I am. going to be forced to sell my company at. some point to Eli Liy or Fizer or one of. these big conglomerates in order to get. it through the FDA approval process. I.

can't afford $2 billion. And so what. you've given big pharma is the keys to. the Ferrari and they control all the. Ferraris that hit the marketplace. But. then they co-opt and corrupt the data. So here's an example. When we talk about. science, follow the science. Follow the. evidence. I worked for Eli Liy. I that. was my first job out of college. We sold. anti-csychotic drug. Patients would come. in and doctors would say, "Brigum, I. don't know what's going on, dude. This.

lady put on 30 [ __ ] pounds in like a. literally a month. This is not good. There's something going on here. And so. when we go back to the main goal, safety, where was safety on that drug? Out of 12. blockbuster drugs in the last, I think. 15 years of Eli Liy's history, 10 of. them have blackbox warnings. >> Blackbox. The most the harshest warning. you can get. The studies oftentimes don't represent.

long-term data and the studies oftent. times aren't looking at all of the. multi-. faceted aspects of human nature and life. coorbidities and what other medications. are these people taking and how do all. these impact each other average. Americans on four or more prescription. drugs. All right, so I want to lay out. for the anti-depressant because this. one's crazy. Do you do you how do you how do you. think we diagnose depression, anxiety, ADHD, any of these mental health.

disorders? And I'm not I want to be. clear. I'm not saying that these. disorders don't exist. And I'm not. saying that there is not a medical uh. issue with patients. >> Well, it's all completely subjective. It's not like a test that they can give. you like do you have syphilis? >> Correct. There is no blood test, right? >> There's no brain test. There's no. chemical brain test. >> Well, not only that, let's let's be. really clear. The established criteria, the idea behind it being that there is. some sort of a chemical imbalance has. been disproven. >> Correct. >> So even in autopsies.

>> Yeah. It's not real. >> Even in autopsies that and you know who. perpetuated and created that narrative. was big pharma. >> Of course. >> big pharma created that narrative, sold. that story. It was never a serotonin. deficiency. There's zero evidence to. show that. So the screening tool we used. to tell you if your child has ADHD. was developed by a doctor in the 70s who. was a consultant for Rolin. >> Oh Jesus. >> Now jump to the '9s. Eli Liy, Fizer,

everyone's launching anti-depressants. into the marketplace under the guise. that these serotonin selective serotonin. reuptake inhibitors SSRI are going to. fix your chemical imbalance in your. brain. The measuring stick to decide whether. you're depressed or not was a. questionnaire developed by a consultant. for Fizer. A doctor who worked for Fizer. developed that test. And the goal of the. test was to simplify depression so. simplistically that any primary care in. America could prescribe an.

anti-depressant through a simple. questionnaire. that I met most people. >> They set the rules, they set the. protocols, they set the the everything, but there's no quantifiable data that. says that that actually. >> it's just a questionnaire. So, it's. totally subjective. So, what is this. questionnaire? Can we take it and find. out if I need pills? >> Yeah. Yeah, let's take it right now. >> I can tell you. >> Should we take it? >> Yeah, let's take it. >> Let's take it. I want to see if I need. pills. >> Let's see. Hold on. That'd be hilarious. >> I've never met a single person that's.

depressed and has a great life. Is that. weird? I never never met a single person. that's healthy, >> has a family where everyone's doing. well. Yeah. >> They have a good career that they enjoy. >> Well, that's why when what's that. [ __ ] Co is like it's multiaceted. healthcare. Yeah, dumbass. It is. >> Who was that? >> Co uh the Coar report guy. He just. attacked Maha a few weeks ago and was. like, yeah, he was saying that to try. and go after food and the drug companies. is insane. And so if you follow even.

depression, >> he looks super healthy. They like to see. him in his underwear. >> When, if you follow depression, when did. we skyrocket in depression? When did. depression skyrocket? It skyrocketed in. the 80s. What happened in the 80s? We. moved to a ultrarocessed food diet. There is more compelling evidence that. most depression is tracked back to. insulin response and eating. ultrarocessed foods and sugary foods. than any other aspect. We're all going. to go through highs and lows. We're all. going to have tough times. But when. we're systematically chronically.

inflamed and poisoning our bodies. through our food systems, >> you're exhausted and depressed. >> and it leads to all these I don't have I. don't have cell in here. I'm trying to. see. >> I get exhausted and depressed if I eat a. bowl of [ __ ] Froot Loops. >> I mean, think think about it. As healthy. as I am, >> does this work, do you think? >> ADHD self-report scale. >> That's the ADHD. >> All right, let's try this one, though, cuz I'm pretty sure I have this. How. often do you have trouble wrapping up. the final details of a project once the. challenging parts have been done?

>> Uh I'm kind of I don't really qualify. for that one. Never. I get [ __ ] done for. you. >> Okay. >> Five. I guess it's never to very often. >> if it's a project. If it's I get [ __ ]. done. Okay. How often? But that's just a. decision that I've made. >> I know you got to give me a score. We. have to score you at. >> Never. >> Okay. How often do you have difficulty. getting things in order once you have a. task that requires organization? Oh, yeah. I got I have a problem getting. things in order. Um, often. Let's go.

with often on that one. How often do you. have a problem remembering appointments. or obligations? Sometimes. Let's say sometimes with that. one. Um, when you have But that's just. overwhelming. I'm just overwhelmed with. [ __ ] going on. When you have a task that. requires a lot of thought, how often do. you avoid or delay getting started? Uh, sometimes. Let's say sometimes. Um, how. often do you fidget or squirm with your. hands and feet when you have to sit down. for a long time? Often. Um, how often do.

you feel overly active and compelled to. do things like you were driven by a. motor? Uh, always. Very. How often do. you make careless mistakes when you have. to work on a boring or difficult. project? That's not applicable. I don't have any. boring or difficult projects. Careless. mistakes. Um what are the what are the options. again? Uh let's say rarely. >> Okay. The profession PHQ9. Sorry.

>> Okay. But let's just go through this. real quick. >> Uh how often do you have difficulty. keeping your attention when doing boring. repetitive work? We did that. Uh how how. often do you have difficulty. concentrating on what people say to you. even when they are speaking to you. directly? Well, it depends on the. person. If it's you, no problem at all. But if it's someone who's saying some. boring [ __ ]. yeah. So, what's the middle one? >> Sometimes. >> Sometimes. Let's go with sometimes. Uh.

uh how often do you misplace or have. difficulty finding things at home or. work? I'd say often with that one. How often. are you distracted by activity or noise. around you? Often. How often do you leave your seat in. meetings or other situations where. you're expected to remain seated? Never. How often do you feel restless or. fidgety? Often. How often do you have. difficulty unwinding and relaxing when. you have time to yourself? Always. >> I always have difficulty. What's the.

most one with that? >> Very often. >> Very often. very often with that. Um, how often do you find yourself take uh. talking too much when you're in social. situations? What? Probably I don't know. what's too much. My social situations. are all with professional talkers. That's a weird one. Uh, I don't think I. Well, because I do podcasts a lot, I'm. pretty good at like not talking too. much. So, what's the the options again?

>> Rarely. >> Rarely. Let's say rarely because I'm. pretty good at that, but it does happen. When you're in a conversation, how often. do you find yourself finishing the. sentences of people you're talking to. before they can finish? Again, depends. on who I'm talking to. If I'm talking to. a [ __ ] [ __ ] and they're laying. things out to me that are like super. obvious, but they're going really. slowly, I'm like, "Let's go. Pick it up. Yep. I got it. Got it." So, it depends. Sometimes, what are the options again? >> Never. Rarely, sometimes. Often, very.

often. Uh, rarely. Let's say rarely because I. rarely talk to morons. How often do you. have difficulty waiting your turn in. situations when turn taking is required? Difficulty like what what would I be. doing then as turn? No. No. I don't. really have a problem with that. How. often do you. >> You got to think too this is they're. asking children this which is going to. be a lot more impulsive. >> This one's for adults. Oh, >> this is the adult. Okay. >> How often do you interrupt others when. they're busy? Again,

I got a weird life, so that doesn't. really come up. I'm not interrupting any. I'm not like showing up at someone's. work and interrupting them. So, that's. never. >> Okay, I think that's it. I'll figure out. >> that's it. Okay, let's find out. Do I. have a problem? >> So, here's where this gets wild, though. So, now look back retrospectively. >> Okay. When I when I was a Lily rep and. they're talking about Prozac and we're. going to cure depression and depression. is caused by a serotonin chemical. imbalance in the brain. We now know all. that's hogwash. We don't really know.

what was causing the depression, the. anxiety, and all these cascade effects. In their own retrospective studies of. every SSRI on the market, what we now. see is on a 52 point depression scale, SSRIs. score two points higher than placebo. Two points higher. It's not. statistically relevant. It fails to. differentiate statistically from. placebo. There are two things that do. differentiate from placebo. Exercise is.

five times more potent than placebo or. an anti-depressant in studies. Red light. therapy is even higher, two times higher. than any anti-depressant that's ever hit. the market. But now you've put a person. in a chemical straight jacket where you. have wrecked their system. You have now. created more harm than good. And so step. one in medicine, do no harm. Right? Step. one for the FDA, make sure these drugs. are safe. They're not safe. Even even.

there's there were lawsuits in the early. days of suicidal ideiation and violent. thoughts because a lot of the. pharmaceutical companies tried to hide. that they were seeing in trials that. children were having suicidal and. violent thoughts in the early days of. being on SSRI. >> Yeah. >> Because it numbs the emotions. It shuts. down the emotional response. It damages. relationships. These are catastrophic. things that you're giving these people. for what? >> They're also connected to almost every.

school shooter. >> Yeah, >> you said it. >> Yeah. And that's something that no one. wants to say. No one wants to talk about. that no one in the news wants to talk. about. You would think that if there's. something that correlates, if there's a. correlation, if there's like some. statistical thing that you can look at. and say, "Wow, this is kind of crazy. that this one particular medication is. involved in almost every mass shooting.". >> Mhm. And when they say ma when you say. mass shootings like here's a thing that. gets thrown around about when they when. we talk about like mass shootings mass. shootings the problem with the.

statistics is it connects gangs. Um you. you have gang like what happens in. Chicago every weekend like last weekend. in Chicago 54 people got shot. Well. people say Trump is doing a terrible. thing bringing the National Guard. Ask. the people of Chicago if that's. terrible. >> If if you want this to continue, like, do you have a better solution? If you. have a better solution, I I'm not a fa. in favor of bringing the National Guard. into every [ __ ] city and militarizing.

America. No. I think that's terrible. >> And the argument against guns is that. people are getting shot in Chicago, but. if you look at the states that have the. highest gun violence, it's the states. that have the strictest gun laws. Yes. Bad guys are still going to get guns. >> Exactly. And so there's that. That's. one. Um, so this is when but when you're. talking about school shootings, that's a. different thing. So school shootings get. you you you find almost all mentally ill. people. >> And whatever Phil, we don't you know,

you don't have to politicize it, but. it's all mentally ill people who are. almost all of them on psychiatric. medication. >> I mean, every single one of them all the. way back to Coline, >> but yet no one brings that up. That. seems insane. And that seems completely. co-opted. If you have an industry that. is literally sponsoring the [ __ ] news. on CNN, literally proudly, not even. hiding it, right? Brought to you. They. want everyone to know that they're. sponsoring the news. >> And you know, the way it's been.

described to me, uh, God, who was it? Cali means Yeah. >> was was saying this is not so that they. can sell more drugs on the news. This is so that the news doesn't. criticize the pharmaceutical drug. companies and they don't. They avoid. them. They avoid it like the plague. If. there was like a similar situation with. any other thing that was not sponsoring. the news, like let's say cannabis. Let's. imagine that if cannabis was connected. somehow or another to every mass.

shooting, do you think that that would. be brought up like [ __ ] fullcourt. press in the front page of the New York. Post and the New York Times and all over. CNN and MSNBC? they would start talking. about it if it was some some masculine. thing like if it was testosterone it was. like inject testosterone therapy. So tes. testosterone replacement therapy is. involved in 100% of school shooters. Jesus Christ they would be feminizing. the world. You boys need to eat more. soy. You need to get tofu into schools. You know we need.

>> right. We need to stop weightlifting. No. more weightlifting. No more cold plunges. because they increase testosterone as. well. No more, you know, no more [ __ ]. going outside in the sun. Sunlight gives. you vitamin D. Vitamin D increases. testosterone. Get out of the sun. It's. causing. >> There's a ton of stuff correlating lack. of vitamin D to depression. Yes. I mean, there's it's all for your immune system. >> If you have a low level of vitamin D, you're chronically susceptible to all.

kinds of pathogens. Your immune system. [ __ ] sucks. And the challenge is that. same level of money and power that. they're feeding to the media is also. happening in politics. So like. testifying here at the state level on. these MA bills, three bills got passed. in the state of Texas. Joe, I don't know. if you've been following all that. Um, but these bills, I mean, you would. think, you would think we were asking to like I.

don't even know. Like the level of. [ __ ] that went down with these bills. was crazy. So, first off, industry. didn't think there was a snowballs. chance in hell that we were going to get. maja bills passed in the state of Texas. because it's so Republican intensive and. a lot of these politicians have, you. know, relationships and ties with. industry. Uh, and we're an industry. forward state and we always want to be. an industry forward state, but we can. make money without killing people, right? We can make money without. chronically and systematically poisoning.

people. >> You just can't make the most money. That's the problem with all of it. It's. not making money, it's making the most. money. And, you know, we've talked about. this a bunch of times, but it's a real. issue. I'm in favor of capitalism. I. think it's awesome. I think communism. sucks. I think, you know, socialism is. it's contrary to human behavior. characteristics that we're all aware of, right? We I think we'd all agree on. that. However, when you have a system that's. set up where it has to make more money. all the time, there's only one way to do. that. You have to abandon ethics and. morals or co-opt the [ __ ] law, co-opt.

the rules, co-opt the regulations, make. sure that you can continue to make more. money whenever possible. >> And you're nailing that's big pharma is. not really worried that compounders are. going to take away their profits. they're going to hurt their their. marketing on Wall Street, their. shareholder pricing, right? If if if. there's competition, if they can shut. down all competition and have a monopoly. for 12 years on a compound, what does. that mean for their shareholder price?

How much can they skyrocket that stock. price? >> Exactly. And that's what it's all about. And this is why people need mushrooms. >> For real. I'm not kidding. I'm I'm not. kidding. Because there's there's going. to come a point in time where people. realize like there's got to be a way to. abandon this ridiculous mindset that our. country has been entrapped by. >> Yeah. Well, and in in the state of. Texas, how progressive is it that Texas. passed that I gain bill? >> It's amazing. Well, kudos to Rick Perry. because him as a Republican former.

governor championing this is so huge. because it he has so many alliances with. so many different people. They'll go, "Well, God, if Rick Perry is saying. this, and then on top of that, it's. veterans that are being positively. affected by this compound by by Ibagane, by this psychedelic." And to deny. veterans is very unamerican, right? So, if you're a Republican, good luck. If. you're if you're doing something that. [ __ ] over veterans and they organize.

against you or people that support. veterans or organize against you and not. just veterans, anybody who's experienced. violent crime, anybody's experienced. horrific things in their life, drug. addicts, all these different things that. can be fixed with this one thing. >> and the success rate is astronomical, >> staggering high. >> So for let's let's talk about that. So. for addiction, the success rate is with. one experience. It's 83%. successful. These people never do heroin.

again. They never take opiates again. They stop drinking. They stop smoking. cigarettes. Whatever the [ __ ] it is with. two experiences, it's in the '9s. It's. something like 94%. >> That's insane. There's not a thing like. that. >> Yeah. >> That's available. There's not a rehab. would go out of business. with rehabs. If you know anybody who's been to rehab, very rarely does someone go to rehab. once. >> Yeah. >> You know, the most successful uh former. alcoholic that I knew, >> he never went to rehab. He never did.

anything. He never went to a 12step. program. He crashed his car under a. bridge. He got chased by the cops. He. got arrested. He's like, "Fuck, I'm I'm. done." And he just quit. He just quit. And he was a lifelong alcoholic. >> Yeah. >> It's so nuts. >> Yeah. It's like doesn't work. psychedelics have such a huge place and. to me all of this. >> all of this falls under one giant. overarching theme. >> medical right to choose it's I I don't. think that the federal government should.

be shutting down people's ability. especially with compassionate use like. somebody who's terminally ill or who has. nothing to lose why would you stop them. from using peptides why would you stop. them from using stem cells why would you. stop them from using psychedelics I I. asked um. >> of course but that's just I mean let's. not wait until they're almost dead. >> Yeah. Well, we could get. >> terminally ill terminally ill people. Let's not wait for that. >> And and the data on mushrooms and. psilocybin and its effects on depression.

astronomically show more compelling data. than anything you're going to see in an. SSRI or anti-depressant. >> Not only that, it doesn't kill you at. all. It like literally doesn't kill you. >> Like the LD50 for mushrooms, you. physically can't consume enough to kill. half the population. >> Yeah. you know, LD50 for people who. don't know, the lethal lethal dose of. 50% of the people that test. So, you. know, like if you give strict nine to. 100 people, pretty much 100 people are. going to die. >> And that's where I'm excited because I I. do know and and then Secretary Kennedy. did say, "Please resonate for me that I.

believe in Americans right to choose and. control their healthcare journey." And I. am a proponent of peptides, stem cells, hyperbaric. >> Yeah. And this is why you see all these. [ __ ] political hacks that are online. saying he's dangerous. Yeah. >> This is why all these people are like. tweeting and retweeting this stuff and. thinking they're some of them I think. thinking they're being a good person. Some of them are classically educated, you know, and they they really don't pay. attention to anything outside of. mainstream news and they are they're.

lost and they think that they're doing. the right thing while also playing ball. >> Did you see uh Hubberman on Bill Maher? >> Yes, I did. >> Yeah. Did you see where Bill Maher asked. him? I think about 20% of what most of. he This is Bill Maher saying he thinks. about most Americans think 90% of what. we're told in healthcare is right. >> Bill says I think it's about 20. And he. looks at Hubman says what do you think? He said 10. And then he talked about his. buddy who's a high professor at Stanford. said at least at minimal 60% of what.

we've been taught is wrong. >> That's insane. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And but the problem is also. textbooks don't get updated. Mhm. >> They don't get updated to Well, there's. always new studies that come out. There's always new information that. comes out. If you wrote a textbook 3. years ago, like that thing is probably. not good anymore when it come in in. certain disciplines. >> Well, and look at all the botched. studies like you and I have covered. testosterone and how that was a study in. the 1930s that was debunked. Then you. had the Women's Health Initiative, which. scared the hell out of women from. estrogen and hormone replacement.

therapy, which led to them now getting. on products that cause a cascade effect. of other health issues. Even if you look. at we covered depression but now go to. statins. >> Guess who created the screening tools? >> Yes. And who raised the threshold? >> It was all big pharma. And then you go. to osteoporosis and osteopenia. Uh nine. out of the 10 folks who decided that. were consultants for industry industry. including Merc who made Fossamax which. was an ant osteoporosis medication. over.

and over and over again. We can. systematically go through every element. of health care and break down how that. system was captured and corrupted. And. I'm not saying doctors are bad. Doctors. are doing their best to navigate a. system. They're being taught in school. systems that were built in this. ecosystem. And they look at it and go, there's even. another person at the FDA that in a blog. that they do talked about how basically. preventative care is [ __ ] and that.

the only way is medicine. And I'm like, if these are the people that are going. to be controlling our accessibility and. our health care system, it's terrifying. >> Well, that's Peter Hotz, right? Like if. you you follow him online and I'm not. picking on Peter, but. >> you should. >> he I you know. >> he says you're a bully, but then he. tweeted when bully. >> He said that stuff on on X and stuff in. the past. He tweeted. >> because I was trying to get him to have. a debate. >> Yeah. And then he tweeted he tweeted.

after we testified a image of uh like a. 1950s Batman characters and was like. this is who they bring in front of. Congress to testify. And I saw that and. I'm like all the Jo the Joker and the. Penguin and all this. I'm like. >> he tweeted that? >> Yeah. And I was thinking you're the one. that looks like the penguin. What are. you talking about? I'm not taking advice. from you. >> So I when I exposed him on the show when. I had that conversation with him about. his own personal health, that was.

probably the most telling thing that. he's ever been involved with because. people got a chance to see, oh, these. are the people that are telling you you. have to take this medication. people. that eat junk food, that don't work out, that are overweight, and you know, are. generally unhealthy, don't take. vitamins. >> You're It's funny you just triggered. this thought. Uh when I was testifying, it's exactly what you're talking about. When I was testifying at the state. level, okay, to remove ultrarocessed. foods and Cokes and soft drinks, >> Yeah. from food stamps because right a.

large percentage of the money of our. food stamps are spent on ultrarocessed. foods that are poisoning systematically. these poverty-stricken communities. >> Yeah, >> we're just trying to reallocate the. resources and and change school lunches. and and mandate PE and mandate. nutritional training and mandate that. your doctor has to have nutritional. training and mandate that in elementary. school through junior high you get. nutritional training. That's what these. bills were about. Okay. While I'm in the.

middle of trying to explain to. congressmen and Congress women how. detrimental a soft drink is because they. don't they don't know there I I'm trying. to just say look the difference between. a very chronically ill diabetic patient. and a healthy patient is literally about. a teaspoon of sugar in the bloodstream. Do you know how many teaspoons of sugar. are in a Coke? And as I'm in the middle. of trying to say it, one of the. congressw women holds her coke up in the. microphone.

>> for effect. >> And drinks her coke. >> Wow. >> And I'm and everyone just busts out. laughing. But I'm like, okay, well, the. answer is 8 to 12 teaspoons of sugar. And you're giving it to a child. You're. giving a child 8 to 12 teaspoons of. sugar at a time. And then you're. wondering why our children are obese. You're wondering why over 70% of. Americans are obese. You're wondering. why diabetes is at an all-time high or. failed the ADHD test that I took.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Did I fail? >> Yeah. Well, you didn't fail, but you do. have a You need to be checked out a. little little further. >> There you go. >> Now, imagine if I had a job that sucked. >> Yeah. >> So, if I had a job that sucked, I bet I. would have answered very often to most. of the ones I was like, "Nah, those. don't apply.". >> Yeah. >> So, then I would need ADHD medication. Yeah, I told you this on the very first. podcast. I'm not splitting Adams on the. weekends, man. I failed kindergarten. I'm literally dyslexic. I'm ADHD. They.

wanted me on Rolin. My parents were. like, "We don't want to put him on. Riddlein." They said, "He's got to go to. prefirst." I was in a class with kids. with helmets, >> dude. Like, I kid you not. I didn't go. to first grade. I went to prefirst. They. thought I was. >> mentally handicapped. And I'm like. sitting in there like, "Oh man, this. sucks." I remember to this day. I was. like, "I don't belong in here. I didn't. hear like but I just didn't fit in that. ecosystem. I was I'm sure I was hyper. I'm a [ __ ] kid. Of course I'm I'm. hyper now and I'm in a grown man. I.

can't sit still. >> You know I have a new puppy and um when. you have a puppy, you realize like, oh, this is what kids are like. >> Like this puppy is insane. So I have. Marshall who's out here today. So. Marshall's almost nine and Marshall's. really chill. I mean, he's got plenty of. energy, super healthy, runs around, gets. a lot of exercise in, but this [ __ ]. puppy is off the rails. This there's I. have videos of them playing. Like. Marshall will pick up a toy and then.

like Charlie would come over and try to. grab the toy. He's leaping at him, throwing himself through the air, diving. underneath him, biting his face, the. rolling around. He's insane. He can't. sit down. And then he crashes. Then he. wakes up. He pisses and shits. And then. he wants to eat. and then he wants to go. at it again. Take that, stick it in a. classroom. >> Yeah, >> that's that's what you're doing with. kids. Kids are basically human puppies. and we're making them sit in these. [ __ ] classes. And some of them, guess. what? Have more [ __ ] energy than the. other ones. And they're more active and.

they're more physical, just like dogs, just like every other animal, every. other organism. And those ones will. probably do great things if they find. something that interests them because. they have more energy and because they. can they can d they can blow off all the. [ __ ] that doesn't mean anything to them. which is like a lot of the obligations. weigh you down and take away your. effectiveness of the thing that you. actually enjoy. If you have a bunch of. things you're concentrating all of your. time on that are basically [ __ ] The. thing that's really important to you.

don't have any you don't have any. resources to allocate to fix that thing. So, you're going to be less effective at. it. Whereas, a [ __ ] like me can just. [ __ ] laser beam on things and I could. just I could just ignore every I'll. throw my clothes on the ground. I don't. give a [ __ ] dude. I just I could live. in a cave and I I could just like lock. down. But, but that's how you succeed at. things. >> I would have to hyperfocus like and I if. I if it's something I'm interested in, it's easy. I can hyperfocus. I can. retain. I have good data recall. If it's.

something you're interested in, >> if it's like Ferris Buer's day off and. it's some mundane. >> torture, man, and I can't sit still in. this environment, >> but that's why you're successful. This. is what people don't understand. That's. a superpower. I would have anxiety if I didn't work. out. I have anxiety there. Like when we. were in Europe and I didn't work out, day three, I'm like restless, man. And. that anxiousness comes out. To me, that's like going somewhere and not.

eating. I'm not going to do that either. >> Like, if I go on vacation, I literally. bring kettle bells. I have 270s and. 250s. They travel with me. >> You put them in a suitcase. >> I get them there. I ship ship them to. where I'm going. I have them delivered. I don't give a [ __ ] dude. I'm working. out because I'm I I have. >> I think Cam Zayn said he did that with. that rock. Did he tell I swear he told. me a story. He He [ __ ] packed that. rock that he has people carry. >> Cam did that? >> Yeah. For something. I remember him. telling that story and I think I got. lost.

>> He keeps that rock on the mountain and. I'm like, don't you worry someone's. going to be a fan of take it. It's like. no kind of person who would take it's. too much of a [ __ ] to carry it. >> Oh my god, that's funny. It's so hilarious this [ __ ] rock that. he carries everywhere. But but you know, you have to stay healthy and for me. that's my medicine. I'm not if if I was. a diabetic and I would say I'm not. taking any insulin. Well, guess what? You're a type 1 diabetic. you if you. don't take insulin, you're going to. [ __ ] die, right? Unfortunately, you. got bad genes when it comes to creation.

of insulin. >> That's how I am with exercise, man. Like, I'm doing it. If I take a day off, I'm a maniac. I don't like it. I don't. like that feeling. I mean, I can take a. day off. I can relax, but day two, >> day two is like, but it's also the my. brain, it's like, hey, what are you. doing? You going you going to be a lazy. [ __ ] now? Is that what you're doing? You. going to be a fat [ __ ] Just that. hyperfocus and going through a workout. and then you come out the other end and. it's mental. It's a huge mental relief. >> Gigantic. >> My anxiety goes from a eight, it's.

creeping up. Now it's an eight. And then. I go work out and it'll be a. >> Exactly. And it's good for everybody. Listen, the nicest people that I know do. jiu-jitsu. And I know that sounds crazy. The nicest people that I know are like. regularly yanking on people's elbow. joints and [ __ ] tackling them. Then. they're the nicest people I know. And. the reason why they're nice is because. they take their [ __ ] medicine. >> They take their anti-agressive medicine. Like, and the idea that that somehow is. bad and like what we need to do is.

eliminate all masculinity. No, you need. to harness it. Just like everything. else. I mean, this is just like the same. response that we had to nuclear power. Oh, we have three Mile Island. Stop the. nukes. No more nukes. We've got a pro. now. Figure out how to harness it. We. were really bad at gasoline in the 70s. We put [ __ ] lead in it and that's why. everybody got lead poisoning. And then. we had to come up with unled gasoline, which is just don't add lead to it, you. [ __ ] [ __ ] Don't burn lead and.

blast it through the air everywhere you. go. That seems [ __ ] insane. Well, we. got to figure out how to harness it just. like we have to figure out how to. harness masculinity. I think we're going. to you you brought up lead and I've been. I wanted to get into the one the state. of Texas stuff but which parallels and. and runs into the glyphosate [ __ ] if you. want to talk about that. Do you want. >> I would love to talk about that. >> because one of the things that's. happening. >> because I know that they're they've got. an alternative to glyphosate that's even. worse. >> Yeah, they do. And so one of the thing. that's happening is.

at the federal level they are looking to. give big a and big chemical immunity on. all. these chemicals they're spraying on our. food and they're voting in secret. This. is another [ __ ] moment as part of one. of the bills that's being reviewed by. Congress. They are attempting to vote in. secrecy where we don't know who cast. their vote to cast unified immunity on. any future lawsuit against glyphosate or.

atrizine. >> And well, we know how well that worked. for vaccine manufacturers. So maybe we. should try it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And we do know uh. let's let's point this out that the. company Monsanto that manufactures. glyphosate is the same company that. created Agent Orange is the same company. that created DDT. Is the same company. that with Bayer tested their products on. Nazi concentration camp victims. Is the. same company that pushed product in the. third world nations where they didn't. have checks and balances and couldn't. come after them.

>> Let's just stop right there. If Satan. was the CEO, don't you think he'd be the. head of that company? Oh my god, dude. >> Could you imagine? But if like if you. said there's a company in the world. where Satan's the CEO, what what company. do you think that would be? And then you. had all this evidence, you lay it out, you're like, "Oh my god, Satan's alive. He's real. >> He's killing people with a Agent. Orange.". >> Yeah. And what's crazy is in Europe, they're in in Europe, the allowable. amount of glyphosate is literally almost. 1/4th of what they're allowing in the. United States. And so the farmers and.

the lobbyist groups here in the state of. Texas when we tried to pass this food. bill, okay, we shocked industry because. candidly it was the land of misfit toys. It's literally me and I don't mean that. derogatory, but it's like it's just a. bunch of average Joe's testifying. against lobbyists. And so it was me, an. 18-year-old girl named Grace who's a. food advocate, my buddy Jason Karp, who. owns like a food company, and then Dr.

Heyman in the initial uh testimonies. >> Hold up. There's an 18-year-old girl. that's testifying. >> Yeah. >> She's a food expert. >> She's a food advocate because she she. has been able to cure I don't know her. exact story, but her she's brilliant. She literally. >> Thurber of food. >> Yeah, pretty much. She had a. >> she's on the the polar opposite. >> But she's a brilliant girl because she. was able to cure some of her chronic. illness through no longer eating. ultrarocessed foods. And so now she's uh.

become an advocate for these things. >> What do you do? Do you know what. illnesses she had? >> I don't remember. I don't want to say. her name's Grace Price if you. >> She's only 18. That's kind of crazy. >> Yeah, she's brilliant. She killed it. But here's what happens. We go to. testify. >> Who shows up? You You expose this. I. think I texted you about it and then you. talked about it on the podcast. The. American Heart Association. came to testify against us because they. didn't want Coke and Twinkies and soft. drinks and ultrarocessed foods removed.

from school lunches, SNAP programs. >> Well, listen, thank God they're around. to to to set everybody on the right. path. Thank God the American Heart. Association is there to stand up for. Twinkies and Coca-Cola, which by the. way, I enjoy. I mean, if I could just. have a day where I didn't think about my. health at all, I would love a nice glass. of Coca-Cola with a few Twinkies. Yeah, >> they're [ __ ] delicious. But I know if. I did that an hour later, I would want. to die. >> I would feel so bad.

>> And when I do that now, this is the. thing that I every now and then I will. [ __ ] off and like eat an ice cream. sundae. And I feel so bad that I go, "How many people feel like this all the. time?". >> Exactly. >> How many how many people this is their. default state? And then you add it to a. non-ro body. So you add it to a body. that's been sedentary, been eating this. stuff forever. So you have this constant. cascading effect of inflammation. Your. fat, your your back hurts, your head, you got brain fog. All day long, you're. dealing with this and that's your.

default. So what what happens to me for. a very brief amount of time where if I. drink a milkshake, I'm like, "Oh, I feel. like shit." That's their whole life. >> Yeah. You're describing my dad. >> My dad is in that system where he. literally just I love him, but he. believes in all this [ __ ] that he's. told he goes to the doctor and they say, you know, historically, this is when he. was younger, he'd be on four or five. meds. And they go, "Oh, everything's.

good. Everything checked out good." And. he'd come back and go, "Yeah, doctor. said everything's good." You're on six. meds, dude. What do you mean. everything's good? You're on six [ __ ]. medications. My dad is now on. prescription medications and ended up in. the hospital last weekend because of. contraindications. The third leading cause of death in. America is medical misdiagnosis. Dad, come in. We can do a full workup. We can. do all things. [ __ ] listen. >> Yeah. Yeah. I My parents take vitamins.

now. Finally. >> It And it's like ah, dude. >> Yeah. It's weird, man. People don't want. to listen to their kids and they don't. want to change the path that they're on. cuz then they have to admit their whole. life has been kind of stupid. >> Yeah. >> People don't want to admit that. They. they don't want to admit that they were. a buffoon. People are so they cling so. hard to their identity of being correct. >> Yeah. >> It's it's too much of what you think of. when you think of yourself is your. choices and the way you think about. things. >> And that's where industry's done a. killer job though, Joe.

>> I know. But for people to that are. listening to this, if you find yourself. in that little category, really that's. the weakness. The weakness is not in. admitting that you're admitting you're. wrong exposes that you are wrong and. that's weakness. No, >> the real weakness is not being able to. admit that you're wrong. That's the real. weakness because then you'll look, everybody's wrong sometimes. Everybody. does something wrong sometimes. It's. part of being a human. Our brains are. It depends entirely on the interactions. that you've had the day, how much taxes.

you owe that you don't think you're. going to be able to pay, your credit. card statements, your [ __ ] your wife. hates you, you think your friend might. be [ __ ] doing something shady in this. business deal that you guys got. together, you're all [ __ ] stressed. out all the time. That's most of us. People in those these conditions are. going to make mistakes. You're going to. not look at data that you assumed was. correct and you're going to argue for. something that was wrong. And this is we. found this a lot during the co days. It.

was really hard for people that got. shitty with me to come around and admit. like, oh, you kind of had a point. There's a few of them that I lost. forever and that have never admitted. that they were wrong. Never admitted. that this whole thing was like they get. caught up in a scop. But that's weak. You've referred me, not just you, just. just in general people hearing this, but. we have helped so many [ __ ] people. with long co. vaccine related co. >> Yeah, let's call it long co. I don't.

know anybody long co that wasn't. vaccinated. >> One of the people you No, >> no, >> no, I honestly don't. And one of the. people you referred us who's like a mega. star, uh, I didn't get his permission to. talk about his, but so I won't say his. name, but he he literally sent me a long. email saying thank you. >> He's the best, isn't he? >> Like he he. voice everything is back. Like he's been. complimented. He's like, I just cannot. thank you and your team enough. >> I [ __ ] love that guy. He's I wish we.

could say his name, too, cuz we can't. But. >> but I I did Jelly Roll's like, "Tell my. story, man." Jelly Roll Jelly Roll is a. man. He's down 200 lb and not on a GLP1. I want to be clear here. He is not on a. GLP1. Jelly Roll, when we met with him, he said, "Bubba, I don't want an asterk. next to this.". >> Yeah. He also threw his phone away. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> He don't have a phone anymore. He's got. an. >> He calls me from his laptop. >> Isn't that amazing? >> He'll FaceTime me from his laptop. >> That's the way to be healthy. It's. really It's real, man. You know, if you. can That's another thing that people.

need to take consideration when you're. talking about mental health. As much as social media is really. valuable, I would never advocate for a. ban on social media. I think it's really. valuable. It's also really bad for you. And it's really bad for you if you are. interacting with nameless, faceless. people and they're being negative to. you. You're being negative to them and. you know you're arguing about climate or. [ __ ]. >> I don't even I'm a nobody. I don't have. hardly any and I don't even use it. anymore other than for work because of.

the political stuff. People are like, "You cook and they just start attacking. you and and I'll see that." I'm like, "Dude, I'm telling you the truth, man. I. I get it. You don't like what I have to. say, but I'm not lying. I mean, tell me. where I'm lying. I'm documenting. everything. I have the receipts.". >> Yeah. No, I get it, too. And what You. know what's really funny is when people. get mad at you if you criticize the. administration like, "Well, this is what. you voted for.". >> Like, no. Listen, [ __ ] face. Nobody. voted for people. No, like maybe a few.

people thought that like some of the ice. raids, the way they're doing it where. they're showing up at Home Depot and. just getting hardworking landscapers and. just sending them back to Mexico. Ed. Calderon, who's an expert in the. cartels, who was on the other day, he. was explaining to me that they're. getting kids that were brought over here. when they were two and they've been here. for 18 years. Like, so now they're 20. and they don't speak Spanish, >> but they're deporting them. >> Yeah, >> that's my thing. You can't believe you. have to be able to [ __ ] stand your. ground on individual topics. Otherwise,

>> you're saying I'm saying nobody voted. for that. I certainly didn't think that. they were going to do that. If they. said, "This is what we're going to do. You know, all those kids that were. brought over here when they were babies. and been raised in America and have. American friends and American jobs, we're going to send them to Mexico where. they don't even speak the language.". >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] you guys are evil. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] you. >> Well, and then you that what you're. describing is literally the messages I. get. You [ __ ] idiot. This is what you. fought for. Okay, I can tell you right. now, Secretary Kennedy is fighting for. the things that were hot button topics.

for me. He was. He is. That team is. And. we are trying to overall overhaul our. food system and all of these different. aspects. >> He doesn't control the [ __ ] EPA. like. I don't control the I can't control if. Congress and don't get it wrong, it is. Republicans and Democrats, but it's. going to take both of them colluding to. pass this bill that will give immunity. to chemical companies. And one of the. things I do want to point out, because. again, line of sight and this there's so. many whack-a-oles and so much [ __ ].

Donald Trump probably doesn't know this. One of the things that I've been ringing. the bell with with the FDA is that most. of the ingredients in drugs are coming. from China. And if we're worried about. China and the future of our relationship. with China, we probably shouldn't be. allowing all of our pharmaceutical. companies to buy all of their. ingredients from China. But let's get. into big chemical. glyphosate. We have banned I don't. remember the name of the Chinese. company, but several states have ban. have banned this major Chinese. agrochemical chemical company from.

spraying any of our crops because we. don't want Chinese chemicals sprayed on. our food. Dirty little secret. What percentage of Monsanto's chemicals. do you think come from China? >> 100%. >> 100%. 100 fucking%. So, if you have a concern about national. security, maybe we should stop letting. Monsanto [ __ ] systematically spray. our food with a bunch of Chinese.

chemicals. Well, not only that, when 94%. of Americans show glyphosate in their. blood, maybe we've got a little bit of. an issue. >> But this is like, take the Steven Coar. approach. It's such a small number. Such. a little amount. What are you worried. about? Put all your faith in the experts. >> No. >> Well, even that there is a solution. And. I don't have all the answers, but we. need to raise the questions. We got to. be able to have the discussions whether.

we're talking about is we have to figure. out whether it's possible to do. regenerative agriculture through the. entire country. Do you know that Putin. is trying to do that with Russia? >> No. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Putin is banning uh. use of industrial chemicals in. agriculture and trying to move this. whole country into regenerative farming. >> Well, so what I learned from talking to. this farmer, >> not saying he's a good guy, not saying. what he did in Ukraine was great. for his country in that regard. Like. when you're a dictator, one of the.

things that's got to be great is you. have the ability to go, "Oh, these. people are [ __ ] criminals." Like look. what they're doing. Oh, they're [ __ ]. over the health of all my people. They're making it for their own profit. They're making everyone else unhealthy. and then they're gaslighting everybody. And then they're they're in bed with all. these [ __ ] Congress people who they. pay off because they they fund their. reelection campaigns and they fund their. super PACs. >> It's so powerful, Joe. So much money. >> Jamie, can you pull up again? Sorry. Is. could you pull up on the way to Well.

website? There's the Senate testimonies. It's big chemical. So where I was going. earlier, I'm so ADHD. >> No, it's okay. Where I was going is if. you're a good dictator, you go, "Well, [ __ ] those people.". >> Yeah, you can fix it. >> Not that Putin's a good dictator. I just. have to say all these things. I'm. saying, >> uh, so one one of the things I learned. from a farmer, and I don't know farming. I obviously I'm I'm not I'm not I'm a. healthcare guy. I had a farmer tell me that 70% of our. glyphosate exposure is because the dry. harvesting. So it's it's in the last. helm. We spray glyphosate apparently on.

the crops to dry them out faster so we. can harvest them faster. But that's all. in the last week. And if we didn't do. that, we would reduce glyphosate. exposure by 70%. >> So it's just a and we're not on the cusp. of a population boom. Our fertility. rates are plummeting. Our population is. declining. We're going to be headed. towards a crisis. Elon's covered all of. this. Um Jamie, there's one with it's. >> a video. >> It's a video. >> Um and it's uh if you pull it up, let's.

see. Oh, cuz I want you to hear. >> this one or the other one. >> This one. >> Ah [ __ ] I don't know which one it is. I. I think it's. >> organic. >> Yeah, click organic mist. It's either. that one or the one next to it. >> That was the organic. Yeah, that one. If. it'll play. This is a lobbyist for big. chemical who testified here in Texas to. kill the bill. And what he's saying. >> foods than there are from people eating. foods that may have had pesticides. >> The truth is industry is terrified that.

what will happen is American mothers. will see those labels and realizing. they're poisoning their children. >> You're using manure for organic foods. It has to be solely manure. And that is. the agent that that creates dangers in. organic foods. >> A bag of laced potato chips has a 50%. profit margin. I I heard Mr. Buucy. earlier say something in nature. I don't. want the price of eggs to go up. Well, guess what? Eggs have one ingredient, eggs. There are more accounts of people.

dying from eating organic foods than. there are from people eating foods that. may have had pesticides. >> Okay, these are the people who keep. going. What is the answer to that? Everybody, >> that was it. Oh, that was the first. thing that he said. >> Oh my god. >> The more people are dying eating organic. foods. >> That was his argument. >> Okay, first of all, look at him. >> That fella is filled with inflammation. >> Yeah, >> that fella, there's no way that dude is. hiking up to the top of that. >> What I was going to say is this is where.

I was going earlier. This is so crazy. We the land of misfit toys. Couple of us. [ __ ] every average day Joe's. >> Yeah. are going up against the American. Heart Association, HB's lobbying group, By's lobbying group, CocaCola, Pepsi. They brought the [ __ ] heat. 31 to. nothing. We got the vote through the. Senate. 31 to nothing. And then they. said, "Holy [ __ ] these [ __ ] are. going to pull this off in the state of. Texas." They descended upon Texas with.

lobbyists out the ass. And I'm getting. calls like, "Hey, can you come back to. the capital? Can you come talk to. congressmen and congressw women? They're. looking to kill the bill. They're going. to kill the bill. It was the highest. level of [ __ ] I I had Senator. Cohurst. I had Lacy Hole, a. representative calling and saying they. are pulling out all the stops. All the. stops. And they are telling congressmen. and congresswomen, you're going to. create food deserts. You're going to. starve minority communities. This is a. race play. Like you name it,

>> they're going to starve if they don't. have Coca-Cola. >> We ended up having to concede. And this. is kind of it was a little bit of a. smart move by Lacy and Senator Kohhurst. We put glyphosate atrizine in the bill. to be listed as one of the substances. that is known to cause harm. Okay. It. isn't a food ingredient, so it was never. going to make it through on the bill. It. was literally a smokeokc screen to. provide ground coverage and a. negotiation tool, but it also allowed us. to see who's against it and what.

politicians are going to support big. chemical. And these [ __ ] came. out in the droves. And one of the main. guys from freaking uh a representative. from Waco tried to kill the bill and. turn the bill into a study. He he said. this shouldn't be a bill. This should. just be a long-term study. And then. industry came in and said, "We should. kill the bill at the state level and. push it back to the feds." We agree with. you. There needs to be reform, but let's. push it back to the feds. And so, but. what people don't understand is we got.

the bills done. We got three of these. monumental bills done. One of them. require labels that disclose any banned. substances in the state of Texas now. have to be put on the front of a label. Almost like a blackbox warning. So like. RD40, all that [ __ ]. >> Any of the food dyes, any additives, uh. it what's not on there are big chemical. because big chemical wasn't a food. ingredient. And the lobby for big. chemical is so powerful. And that's. where I was going with this. They I mean. it is crazy the lobby that Monsanto and.

these companies have and they're going. to do that at the federal level and. they're going to try and get this. exemption uh around all pesticides. And. my rebuttal to that, and I said this on. a call, is if I'm going to a bar and I'm. not going to [ __ ] someone, there's no. reason to carry a condom. So if you're. not [ __ ] me, why do you need the. condom? If you're not [ __ ] the. American people, why do you need a. condom? You're giving them a condom, but. they're telling us they're not going to. [ __ ] us. >> Yeah. It's. >> why why do you need this exemption? If.

your product's not causing cancer, why. do you need an exemption? >> Yeah, exactly. If your if your vaccines. aren't causing damage, why are we giving. you a blanket exemption? It's yet. another smokeokc screen from industry to. protect their profits and shut down. anybody from ever being able to go after. them for the damages they cause. >> 100%. >> And I don't get it. Republicans, Democrats, they're all implicitly. involved in this. >> But we have to also understand that in a. lot of countries, this stuff is banned.

And it's banned for a very good reason. It's banned because we know it causes. harm. Why? in the greatest country in. the world do we ever have anyone that we. allow to advocate for harm for over for. profit. Just just harm. It's not like. this is the only way to grow food. People grow food all over the world, man. >> Yeah. >> The idea that this is the only way to. grow food is pretty insane. Especially. when we have examples when we But the. thing is like scalability. I don't know. if white oaks pastures if you could.

scale that out. Yeah. And and and feed. the world. I think we might have [ __ ]. up. I think we might have [ __ ] up by. jamming, you know, I don't know how many. millions of people are in LA. 20. What's. What's the number? What's the real. number? You know, what's the real. number? No one knows. The ICE raids had. the [ __ ] the streets empty, so no one. knows what the real number is, right? >> But just how many people do you have to. feed? >> And even I think I said this earlier, food. >> Didn't I tell you that there was in they. call them the Monsanto papers or.

whatever. And in a foyer request, there's this leaked document between uh. the head of the EPA and Monsanto where. he this individual says, "If I get this. done for you guys, you owe me a medal.". Did I say that? Okay. Then there's the. whole Coca-Cola aspect of it, too. Uh. >> the point is in LA, no one's growing. anything. >> Yeah. They're just all. >> So you have 20 million people jammed. into an area where the only thing that's. growing is weed. >> That's the only thing that anyone's. growing in LA. Imagine if you can get. people so excited about tomatoes and and.

oranges as as you do about weed. >> Yeah. >> You know, and everybody's like, "Look at. my tomato.". >> Or even what you talked about a bunch is. hunting. Like so many people are out of. touch with the reality of what it takes. to create food. No, I'm just saying like. even where their food comes from. >> Well, where their food comes from for. sure. So the problem what I was getting. at is that I think we have set ourselves. up where our population numbers in areas. like Los Angeles and New York are so. great that you almost need factory. farming to provide those people with.

enough nutrition to stay alive. Like I. it gets that weird because if you get to. numbers, right? If you get to 20 million. humans that aren't growing food, all. right, so they need to get some somebody. else they've they've, you know, pushed. off to someone else the responsibility. of acquiring food. All they have to do. is give them currency to get that food. >> That is a new thing with human beings. that this is a new thing. It's a new. thing where we do that with enormous. populations. And then so what's the. solution? The solution is one of the.

most immoral and unethical solutions. that anyone has ever come up with. anything. Stuff a bunch of animals into. a [ __ ] warehouse, have them pissing. [ __ ] into a giant pond that you have. outside that literally is probably. poisoning the air around it for miles. >> and then spray the [ __ ] out of this. monocrop agriculture because you've. completely distorted what nature is and. you've you've got thousand acres of. corn. Like that never happens in the. world. All the animals and all the.

plants are supposed to kind of like. intermingle in an ecosystem. And for. profit, you've decided to like set up. this [ __ ] Frankenstein lab where you. just spray death juice all over the. [ __ ] corn. And then you subsidize the. farmers so that corn syrup is in goddamn. everything. Everything, including. [ __ ] salad dressing, >> you know. And then you have canola oil, which is really just rape seed oil. And. it's a disgusting [ __ ] industrial.

lubricant that you're pretending is. health heart healthy. >> And like this is this is the system that. we're in right now. And most people want. he you know there's a giant percentage. of people that have been educated by. traditional media that think that. everything that I'm saying is conspiracy. theory nonsense from bro science guy. which I am bro science guy. That's I. have a degree in bro science. But this. is all just real folks. you're you're. [ __ ] poisoned. And if you continue to. eat that way, you're going to be doomed.

Your your body's going to fall apart. That's just a fact. We know it. We all. know it. Processed food diets are just. there's no one that can say they're good. for you, they're bad for you. Here's the. question. Do we have enough stake in. this? Do do do do do do do do do do do. do do do do do do do do do do do do do. do do do do do do do do do do do do do. do do do do do we have enough people's. understanding of the dire consequences. where we can have a real conversation. about how do we feed all these people. ethically and morally because right now. we have a gag laws where if someone like. say if you work at some slaughter house.

or some you're not allowed to film the. atrocities that you see Yeah. There's. laws. Yeah. You will go to jail. So if. you show up at one of those horrible pig. farms where they got these pigs like. stuffed next to each other and [ __ ]. through grates and then that you ever. seen that I've seen that. >> if you film that and put it on TikTok. like this is where your bacon comes. from. You go to jail. >> You go to jail. >> Oh, I didn't know that. >> Yeah. If they're doing if they're. abusing the animals like there's videos. of guys that working in slaughterhouse. like beating cows over the head and.

kicking them when they're down and. slicing their throats and letting them. squirm around. those kind of videos, you'll go to jail for filming them. >> Yeah. >> No consequences for the people that are. doing it. Because here's the other dirty. secret. >> That's just so shortsighted. >> Here's the other dirty secret. Where do. you think they get their employees from? If you you're going to run an. disgusting, unethical, immoral business. Who you going to hire? First of all, it's disgusting dirty work. Nobody wants. to smell pig [ __ ] all day. Who you going. to hire? Well, you're going to hire.

people that snuck into the country. because you don't have to have documents. on them. You don't have to pay them any. kind of health care. You don't have to. give them any kind of benefits. You. don't have to give them jack [ __ ] Yeah. >> So, you benefit from keeping that. [ __ ] border wide open. And these. people that have publicly talked about. this, we need the labor in this country. because they're doing jobs that. Americans don't want to do. Well, you. should really ask yourself, do we need. those jobs? And do we need to be doing.

it the way that we're doing it where. those jobs are a necessity in 2025? >> Yeah. >> Or are we captive to an evil industry. that cares more about money than it does. about humans? >> Yeah. >> Which is demonic. >> Well, I think you see the history. throughout all industry, you know. It's. that it's it's just. >> but it's it's like always a battle of. good and evil. And that's what we have. to understand. Like don't lose faith. like oh my god the people suck. No, no, no, no, no. A small amount of people. suck and some of those people get power.

and then they control massive amounts of. people who mostly don't suck. Most. people don't. >> What you're saying is um and we've. talked about this, but I swear to God. like when Denise came on to Waste Well. to help me start this thing almost 10. years ago. Our conversation was if we. keep our moral compass, >> if we make this about people, this is a. this is the hand of God truth, man. This. isn't, "Hey, brother, I love you." You. don't have to tell me. This is one of. the reasons why you're on this. You're a.

really good person. Like a genuinely. good person. And I've seen you interact. with. >> [ __ ] dozens of people that are my. very good friends. I've seen you I've. talked to people that I that I knew, but. that you maybe didn't know that I knew. them independently and they've told me. they've had amazing experiences with. you. You're a good guy. I know. And. you're making good money, but your. mindset is so on the money. like do the. best that you can for people and all the.

other stuff will fall into place. Like. the problem with corporations is that. you can't function like that. You have. an obligation to your stakeholders. So. even if you're a good person, which I. think most of those people are probably. good people that have been co-opted and. then there's this diffusion of. responsibility because you're a part of. a gigantic corporation. Maybe I don't. like what's going on. Maybe I don't like. what we're doing. But hey, all I can do. is affect what I do around me. Like when. you're a defense lawyer and you're. helping someone get off and you know. he's a murderer. >> Yeah. >> And you have to help. Yeah. >> Cuz this is your job. Like a guy stabbed.

his wife and you have to pretend he. didn't. >> I I can even have empathy for that. because this is hard. Like even running. this company. I'm under attack. >> I mean we have 500 employees. I'm. battling the FDA. I'm battling the state. of Texas. We were worried about the DEA. and it changing tele medicine law. But. then you still have competition. And. beyond market pressure from big pharma, there's other compoundingies, there's. other tele medicine companies, there's. other tele medicine apps, there's other. AIdriven. And you're sitting here and.

I'm watching what the market's doing. And I disagree with it. And I've stood. my ground. And I if I'm wrong, I let. down 500 people. If I get this wrong, I. disappoint and let down 500 [ __ ]. people that believed in me, that took a. leap of faith, that have worked at these. companies because I have refused to. outsource care. What I have seen when. when I came on this podcast, I guess. almost four years ago now, the first. time we had this boom, we had only. managed like 7,000 patients. I go on.

here and 20,000 people tried to register. in like a day and I'm like, "Holy shit.". And people are like, "You guys suck and. why can't you be in my state?" And I'm. like, "Because to get into your state is. a lot more complicated." The the way my. competitors are doing it is they're just. outsourcing to a tele medicine doc that. has no training in this disease state. And that to me is no different than big. pharma. If we're going to just push. pills and oneizefits-all approach, how.

is that medicine? That's not predictive, preventative, and personalized. And the. vision of this company was to be. predictive, preventative, and. personalized. And I've had people try. and buy us out. And I've had people. offer to buy us out, and I could take a. payday, but I look at that and I go, >> "We're barely scratching the surface. And the day I sell, this thing is no. longer what it is. I really believe. that. It's just going to be a money.". >> I have no, you don't have to say any of. what you just said because I know that. you would never do that. I know who you. are. And to speak to the level of.

personalization you guys do, I get. vitamins that are personally adjusted to. whatever my blood work is. And that's. what I take now. I take Waste to Well. vitamins. I take eight of them. I just. throw them in my mouth, swallow them all. at once. Some people think that's gross. It's easy for me. I got to pick nothing. >> Oh, I would drink water for sure. >> Godamn. How would you even do that? I. could even swallow one without water. >> I know people who will just swallow a. bunch of pill. I can't do But I have to. sip one pill at a time. Oh man, Justin.

Ren when he would take his vitamins, he. would just throw like a whole handful in. and just swallow them. I'm like, how do. you do that? >> Yeah, I know he's a huge human, but. Jesus, >> that's Viking jeans. They're used to. eating mushrooms that way when they. would go on berserker raids. Um, but you. know, I just that's all I have to take. now. And uh I I'm going to get my new. blood work soon to see where. everything's at. Um, I think I'm going. to add a bunch of stuff back in, particularly nascin and then a bunch of. other stuff that I was taking that uh. really seems to have worked in terms of.

stopping macular degeneration, age. related macular degeneration. I think. that and the red light therapy has. worked. I I don't use reading glasses. anymore when I read my phone. >> Hell yeah, man. >> That's nuts. >> And GHK and BPC and stem cells and all. of these things have uh benefits and. every one of those aspects. There was. that study out of Europe. I think we. covered it last time for uh degenerative. eyesight loss in using red light. therapy. >> Yeah, my eyesight is still not the best. Like if I put a pair of readers on, I.

can see better, but I have no problem. reading. It's just like a little fuzzy, but not to the point where I can't read. things anymore. But it was getting. worse. >> It was getting significantly worse. Like. every 6 to 8 months, I would notice a a. decline. Like, [ __ ] man. I can't see. [ __ ] anymore. And then I started wearing. reading glasses. I've stopped that. So, it's not just stopped in its tracks, but. my eyesight has gotten better, >> which is nobody thinks that's possible. Ask most opthalmologists like what.

you're going to take vitamins and you're. going to like stare at. >> Well, it makes sense because all of. these things are in an effort to refuel. ATP and and eyesight and ocular. degeneration requires an immense amount. of ATP. And as our cells begin to. degrade, >> those are the first cells that are going. to go and begin to lose their. functionality. And so if we can refuel. ATP and maximize ATP, then we can. optimize your chances at these. degenerative things not occurring. And. that's my whole point of these building. blocks. Peptides, stem cells, amnon, uh.

purified uh like all of it. All of all. of PRP, you name it. All of these things. are tools in the tool belt that aren't. readily. available or even talked about in. traditional medicine. And it's not. because your doctor or clinician's a bad. guy or girl. It's because they're in an. insurance model and insurance doesn't. cover any of these things. >> Exactly. And the that's the real problem. in this country that everything has been. co-opted by businesses and it's not the.

right path towards your health. And. there is a path towards your health and. we have to [ __ ] light the way. We. have to say, "Hey, this uh this road. that we're on, do you know goblins built. this road? Do you know this road leads. to the [ __ ] goblin house?" Yeah, guys, I know way around to the enchanted. forest. Go this way. >> Another your our mutual friend. I asked. him and his mom if I could talk about. this, Jesse Michaels. So, Jesse's dad is. is older and he's suffering from. dementia. And they flew down here. I. said, "Just get him down here." And.

again, it's very nuanced. We did a lot. of things. He was here for three days. They're academics. He's Jesse's. brilliant. You can tell that kid's. brilliant, but his parents are. brilliant, too. They're psychologists. And so, both his parents are. psychologists. and his dad's battling. dementia and uh has had cognitive. decline. And they came in and his mom. was a mega mega skeptic. And on day. three, she came into the clinic with. tears in her eyes, hugged Veronica, hugged the team, which I got to thank.

the team that is here in Austin because. those people are unbelievable. I love my. team. They're the magic. I am not. They're the magic, not me. >> It's a great place. It's very positive. >> Yeah. and she hugged us and cried and. said last night like this stuff makes me. emotional because it I believe it, man. I'm telling you. I've seen it. I believe. it. I'm a believer. You're never going. to change my mind. I don't give a [ __ ]. what these people are saying at the. federal level. This stuff is. life-changing. And I've witnessed it. >> The dementia uh tears in her eyes,

hugged the team, and said, >> "Last night, I had my husband back. If. nothing else, what did you do? This is. all we get out of this. We did stem. cells. We did uh he was there for the. 3-day experience which was like. hyperbaric cellular therapy, peptides, hit him with everything but the kitchen. sink like what we do with with all these. folks and we systematically red light. We did all of it. But he's here for a. three-day experience and we run him. through these things just to see if we. can launch him into like a healthier.

space going back home. Reduce. inflammation, help with all of these. different aspects. hit him with GHK, hit. him with BPC, hit him with stem cells, all of these different peptides and. building blocks. Anyways, she she. literally was in tears and hugged the. team and said, "For the first time in a. long time, I had my husband back last. night. It was like the olden days.". Like, we talked, we laughed, we hugged. >> I had my husband back. And she said, "If. if it's just that, if all I get out of. this is that one night, thank you.".

Like, "Thank you." And I talked to Jesse. and he's like, "My dad's doing the best. he's done in months." I'm not saying. that these things are going to cure. dementia. I'm not saying any of that, >> dude. If I had dementia, I would and. that happened, I would move to Austin. I'd be camped out right next to your. [ __ ] building. What time are you guys. opening? Do you know what I'm saying? Like, >> but so many people think there's no. hope. And and people with obesity, like. Jelly Roll, >> 500 lb, man. >> And look at him. >> It's incredible. >> He's he's he's gone from walking to now.

he can run. Now he's playing pickup. basketball. >> He carried that stupid rock. >> I think he did. He cuz he went up to. Yeah, he went up to the top of Mount. Pig's gun. He was on lift run shoot. He. was amazing on it. He's such a sweet. soul of a human being. >> He really is. He's the nicest guy. >> And he looks like a criminal. A fullon. criminal. [ __ ] tattoos all over his. face. Looks so sketchy, but he's so. sweet. >> He's such a good dude. And the fact. >> he's going to be on the cover of Men's. Health and GQ now. >> That's incredible. It's incredible. Well, what he's done is super super.

inspirational. >> and I hope it motivates other people. Like you can get the weight off. It. doesn't have to be a GLP1. It doesn't. have to be and even those like this is. where it's nuanced. Like I understand. the backlash against GLP-1s, but when. titrated down and unique and proprietary. to a dosage unique to that patient and. when stacked with things like hormone. optimization and uh you know IGF, we can. burn that fat off and maintain lean.

muscle mass. And we're quantifying it. because we have a DEXA at the clinic. So. anybody who comes in, we run them. through a DEXA now. We know their lean. muscle mass, their body fat, and the. goal is to preserve muscle cuz I would. argue more important than getting the. body fat off, and this is the pivot that. I've tried to get Jelly Roll to and. other folks, >> the fat's going to come off. Let's focus. on building muscle. If we can build. muscle and help build leg strength and. help put muscle on your frame, that is. going to increase your metabolic burn.

rate. That is going to put you in a. better position for long-term health. Don't make it all about the scale, right? Make it about your body. composition and how can we transition. that composition to optimize lean. muscle, minimize visceral and. subcutaneous fat, but we don't want to. give up a pound of muscle, >> right? >> Keep all it's a [ __ ] to put that. muscle back on. You don't want to lose. that muscle. >> Yeah. Even with hormone optimization, it's a constant battle. You have to. constantly be working. >> and if you don't, you're going to get.

weak. And that this is not a good thing. It's not virtuous to be weak. And this. is a problem with, you know, we were. talking about masculinity earlier. Yeah. Hyper awful masculinity is Vikings, right? They show up in a boat, they kill. everybody like that. Yeah. >> Bit on Vikings. >> Oh, the gay Vikings. >> Oh my god, dude. >> Well, that's terrifying. >> Yeah, that's what they were, too. >> Yeah, but I think everyone was gay back. then. I remember, you know, when you. read about the Spartans, like, hey, is.

this unusual? is everybody gay? And you're like, Socrates, oh, he was gay, too. What the. [ __ ] was everybody gay? I think I think. it was different back then. I think the. concept of uh gay and straight is a. fairly new one. I think back then. everybody just [ __ ] everybody. >> I'm sure like chimps do. >> It was a wild time. >> Chimps like bonobos. You ever watch the. bonobos? They have one rule. The mom. won't [ __ ] the sun. That's it. Everybody's [ __ ] Everybody else is. [ __ ] everybody. >> No, it was chimpanzees in that. Was that. bon? Those weren't bonobos. What was.

that? Yeah, that was wild. >> Crazy. Yeah, bonobos are there are weird. hippie like cousins. >> I've heard you've been talking about. Jesse's deal with the uh the triact. >> And then you I know we I think we talked. about have you you watched the one on. Homoi, that bipeedal primate that buried. the dead deep in caves. Like we don't. know [ __ ]. >> We know nothing about learning. We're. learning. But it's a scattered. We're. It's not like, "Oh, we found the log.

book. We know what happened at every. step of the way." No, we're finding like. little pieces of evidence from a burnt. down building. Like, what is this? Oh, this looks like. >> I think this is a lighter. >> Well, I know you had Gary Nolan on, too. I haven't heard it yet, but where's your. head at now? Okay, >> cuz I know you back forth back forth. >> Something's going on. >> Yeah. But whatever this thing is going. on um first of all from a material. science perspective which is what Gary. was here for. Well Gary was here to talk.

about his cancer research first of all. which was fascinating and then um. amazing stuff like very interesting. >> Then we we started talking about uh how. this was sort of an accidental. introduction. Someone brought to him a. piece of some kind of a craft supposedly. that crashed. >> and said, "Uh, could you analyze this. and find out what this is?". >> Someone the CIA. >> probably. I don't know. >> Um, uh, one of them a piece was brought.

to the Art Bell show. They said that was. from a crash from like the 1940s. Um, but this piece that had a direct chain. of evidence, so people knew where it was. from a crash from the 1960s in Brazil, uh, it was made out of almost pure. silica, but the magnesium, the ratios, the isotope ratios in the magnesium. >> had to be from a place that was. experiencing a what is equivalent of a.

neutron bomb going off every 2 minutes. for 900 years. What the hell, dude? >> Right. Like, this is not like this would. be hyper difficult to make today. >> Not saying it's impossible. This is what. he's saying. It like the odds of someone. making that in 1950. >> Yeah. >> What are you talking about? And then. there's this this alloy that they found. where there's layers at like an atomic. level that this has been like a 3D. printed alloy.

>> with like levels of these metals that. don't occur organically. And this is. from 1970. >> Like this isn't possible today. >> Yeah. >> With human beings in 2025. No one's. making that [ __ ] There's not a fact. You would know. someone would have heard. about unless there's some blacklisted. military operation deep in the Nevada. mountains that no one knows about that's. doing some crazy superfunded [ __ ] that. they lie to Congress about. Okay, maybe. But in 1970, were you doing that?

>> Did you have that alloy in 1970 that we. can't make today? That seems unlikely. So, something's going on. >> Well, and you're with your podcast with. Representative Luna. I mean, I know. she's on the political side, but I was. listening to that and I'm like, to have. a congresswoman. saying these things and then even Tulsi. came out in dimensional beings and I was. like, what are you saying? You know, do. you know why I reached out to her to. have her on the podcast? Because uh she. made a tweet about the description of.

angels, what angels look like. >> She's I was like, whoa. I go, did you. did you tweet this? And she goes, yeah. And I was like, "You don't want to talk. to me about this?" We never even talked. about it. We never even got into the. conversation, but we got into aliens and. we got into which, >> you know, I think that good and evil are. real things. I think they're real. things. And I think there's this very. big struggle both on a micro and a macro.

scale. I I I think internally there's a. battle of good and evil. You know, when. you want to do something good, but you. can get away with doing something bad, the right thing to do is to do the good. thing, and then you feel better because. of it. This is like a weird, it's not. like. >> it's impossible for you to go into evil. If the situation. was that you were uh you know in another. time in another part of the world in a a. horrific war and you had to raid a.

village because everyone else is raiding. the village and you have to kill. everybody because everybody else is. killing everybody. >> We're that's a part of us. There's but. there's a there's a real struggle. between figuring that out. >> I wonder if that exists with some other. beings from somewhere else. Mhm. >> And this is this is where you get into. biblical depictions of gods and angels. and demons and you go, "Well, what is. what are we really talking about?" If. these people were trying to write.

something down to represent a real event. that took place, we're looking at it in the framework of. a society that believes in aliens. because we've experienced space travel. We know how to fly in planes. We know. how to fly to the stars and we know. where this goes. We know where this. goes. This goes to a better place where. you get really good at it when then you. come visit us, right? So, we know that. But back then, they didn't know that. They didn't know anybody could [ __ ]. fly, right? So when if they're. experiencing angels who literally fly.

and and and devils and these [ __ ]. things that they find. that like the Brazilian one from. Virginia smells like sulfur. >> Yeah. >> Is that weird that that's what demons. stories all those sto. scripture like the book of Enoch which I. know isn't like technically. >> I'm reading that right now. I've got it. on audiobook right now. Listening to it. every day. It's [ __ ] bananas.

>> The watchers. The watchers who came down. from the sky to make. >> to Enoch took him into space and gave. him knowledge of agriculture and. architecture and. >> you're like what? >> Also sorcery. >> Oh, I didn't I didn't know that. >> Yeah. Which is probably technology. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It would be to people in that area. >> 100%. Dude, I think we're engineered. >> I think this is I think we are in a.

stage of our society. where the the growth is experiencing. this confrontation with our nature like. the the growth of intelligence, the. growth of the growth of awareness is. experiencing this battle with the fact. that wars are still going on. I think. this is why like there's a lot of shock. um in some circles about the public's. backlash against what's happening in.

Gaza. Like almost like they can't. understand it. >> Like you can understand how is this. possible that someone's upset? You're. [ __ ] telling me this is the only way. in 2025 human beings can behave where. you can bomb women and children and any. opposition to that is anti-semitic. That's not flying today. You can't do. that today because this is a world. So, we're evolving, but we're not there yet. We're not at a place where we have no.

war. We're not at a place where there's. no more murder. We're not at a place. where you don't have to send the. National Guard into Chicago because. there's 54 [ __ ] shootings in a. weekend. So, >> if I was an alien civilization, I would. wait. >> Yeah. >> I would do what we're doing right now. >> I almost view it as a test. I've said. this I said this recently. I don't. remember who else, but in my mind, I. look at it as kind of like what Graham. Hancock says. What if we reached a level. of of knowledge and sophistication, but. there's a reset button? And I know the.

cataclysmic events and all those things, and we know that happens, and we know it. happens, I think every 70,000 years. there's that. It's it's historically. going to happen. But separate from that. when we look at the cosmos and we say. once you have the ability to generate a. certain reach a level two society and. you reach that level two society then. you can create enough energy to bend. space and time and in theory you could. fold time and traverse the cosmos. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What if the reason there's not an. exorbitant amount of intelligent life in. the universe or the cosmos is you have.

to reach a certain level of spiritual. accountability and knowledge and. maturity before the technologic. advancement. supersedes that or advances past it. Right. Cuz right now if you gave us. infinite power. >> Yeah. >> we're going to be [ __ ] dead. >> Well, we kind of. >> It's terrifying. >> Well, we're certainly in that situation. when it comes to nuclear bombs. We have. enough nuclear bombs to kill everybody. over and yet we're still making them. >> Yeah. >> Everybody on the planet we can get. killed and we're still so stupid that we.

haven't pointed at each other. >> Right. So if I was an alien, I would. wait. >> Um I think that makes sense that you. have to achieve some sort of spiritual. connection, but that is just assuming. that you stay human and that human is. the only way to go. You know, there's. this very highly criticized video of. Peter Teal, which is uh kind of funny. >> The Antichrist. >> No, with No, no, no. That's another one. Poor guy. Also, he kind of like looks a. little too shiny to be a regular person. He's a little too slippery looking. So, that's.

>> reptilian. But he's a thoughtful person. And I when I was asking him any question. on the podcast, he has these long pauses. before he answers. Is it part of his. speech pattern, part of his thinking? >> Well, the problem is he did that with. the question of should the human race. survive? >> Yeah. This guy, this guy was like the. answers they should, right? So the guy. was like pressing him, talking to him. like he's a regular person instead of. just. >> letting this air out. Letting you're.

going to you are you pressed for time? You got a [ __ ] an hour and a half to. talk to this guy. Let him talk. But this. the the problem is we are awesome. And I. love all the things that we do. I love. how we create art and food and we we. create fun and comedy. We're fun with. each other. I love human beings. I I. love our our creative ability. I love. all the things about us. But this is not. the only way that a life form can exist.

And the idea that we have to stay this. forever, although I love us, seems kind. of silly. This is like going back to. Australia Pythecus and go, "Bro, [ __ ]. sticks and stones for life, bro. [ __ ] a. house. Okay, bro. I'm down with No, that's ridiculous. That's crazy. And. what's the next logical step for an. organism that is experiencing. technological advancements far beyond. anything that any other organism on the.

planet has come anywhere close to?". Like, we're we're way out there. What's. the What's the next logical step? will. abandon everything that ruins us. >> Yeah. >> So, what ruins us? All this greed that. we're talking about earlier. What does. all this come from? This comes from. famine thinking. This comes from uh. tribal thinking. Us versus them. This. comes from trying to acquire resources. because you want to stay alive. All. those things have been hijacked. All. these human reward systems have been. hijacked and monetized and then stuck.

into this corporate structure where you. have to make more money every quarter. It's craziness. >> When it back to psychedelics, when you. do psychedelics, ego sheds and you go, there is no me. Like, there's us. We're. in this together. And every time I think. I'm I'm trying to be a good person. There's never a time I've done a big. dose of psychedelics and not thought. about something I didn't mean in third. grade or like I got to be better. I have. to be more patient. I can't lose my.

temper. Oh my god, man. I really wish I. wouldn't have lost my temper over exa. on this. I was selfish and I was busy. and I was stressed and I ignored this. person's cry for help. Like, >> this is my point. I think we're that. we're that close to not ever having to. think about those things again. I think. we're that close. I think we're that. close to transcending what it means to. be a human being. And I don't know if. it's good. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if it's good. >> You're saying through technology? >> Yeah. is what we're getting. What we're. getting with humans is the blues. We're.

getting Charlie Crockett. We're getting. Sturggil Simpson. We're getting with. humans, we're getting beauty. We're. getting amazing voices. We're getting. paintings that make you go [ __ ] We're. getting muscle cars. Like, dude, look at. this thing. We're getting with humans. We're getting all this amazing stuff, but we're also getting Gaza. We're also. getting Ukraine. We're also getting the. the the [ __ ] the banking the housing. scandal from 2008, the collapse. We're.

getting evil [ __ ] We're getting demons. We're getting, you know, the [ __ ] We. could go down the line with medications. and pharmaceutical drugs and chemicals. and pollutants and all the different. [ __ ] scams that are running out. around in our education system. All of this is because human beings are. capable of deceit. All of this is. because human beings have these reward. systems that are built in from us being. territorial apes.

And we're all so attached to those. things because they make great barbecue. because because a milk a chocolate. milkshake is [ __ ] delicious, you. know? Because I do like pulling into Pet. Terry's and uh ordering a double bacon. cheeseburger on a boat, you know? Look, it doesn't mean that this is the only. way to go. And I think we have to. abandon that, just like you have to. abandon the idea of not having a cell. phone anymore. There's going to be. something that happens in our lifetime.

that allows us to communicate with each. other in a different way. And I think. it's going to be mindto mind. And I. think it's going to be through this. interface. And it gets really. challenging. It's going to get really. challenging as to how do you know. whether or not that interface is. controlled? Is there a decentralized. system where we realize that the power. structures that exist right now in terms. of big tech, you cannot allow that? We. we've shown that they're terrible with.

censorship. We've shown that they're. terrible with dictating narratives and. with siding with with uh corporate. structures that are doing things that. are absolutely detrimental to people's. health and well-being. And they're doing. it and they're lying and they're using. bots. So we know that that exists right. now and if we have that controlling the. mind literal the hive mind of the world. that's not good. if I'm understanding I want to make sure. I we because we don't have telepathy yet. I want to make sure I'm understanding I.

think I am like I look at chat GPT or. any of these large language models and. they're a tremendous resource and that. is now the new Google and that is where. you research and get a lot of. information and fact check things. >> and right now you type it in a phone and. you wait and you get an answer. In the. future, I'm envisioning like Cyberlink. or one of these companies implants. something and you're merged with that. So, you think like the Matrix, I know. kung fu. >> I know kung fu. >> 100%. >> Just download a jiu-jitsu app and now. you know jiu-jitsu.

>> and universal language. Universal. telepath telepathic language. I think. that's on the agenda and Elon's talked. about that. Amanda already has [ __ ]. headphones that she brought to Europe. where you speak in one language, you. give the person the other headphone, it. tells them in English and in their. language and then translates theirs to. English. >> Yeah. >> It's literally there. It's just a. freaking earpiece though. >> Yeah. >> And it's in your ear. And imagine when. that's just in your head and you're not. even using words. You're just. >> Well, how about sharing an emotion? >> How about we abandon all languages.

except a new one? >> The whole world. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that's probably the Tower of. Babel, dude. That's probably what how it. went down. You see, when I read like. these things like the book of Enoch or. like you even if you this is like the. Ezekiel story. I'm always like what are. what are they trying to say? >> Someone was trying to write something. down to dismiss it today as just fairy. tales. And that's cute. I love how. you're really smart and you're better. than everybody else. That's great.

because that's part of the thing of. being an atheist. Like I'm smarter. These are fairy tales. Like, okay, like. look, I don't really believe a guy came. back from the dead, but what were they. trying to talk about? Like, what what is. who was that guy? >> I don't like people who are that. definitive. You can't be that. >> Being atheist is just as arrogant as. saying my where was the saying like. there's 900 something religions and if. you're a Christian and you say all 899. are wrong, >> right? >> Being an atheist is even more arrogant. You're literally saying everything's.

wrong and there's nothing. Like I just I. think. >> there's got to be something. >> I think there is something but I think. you also have to look at it through the. lens of human beings because. unfortunately we are a dirty filter and. if you run the truth through us the. truth is going to get contaminated. If. you have like poor uh like if you pour. pure tequila through a filter that has. cat [ __ ] in it. Yeah. >> You're going to get cat [ __ ] in your. drink. >> That's just how it works. Yes. >> Right. So if you're a human being and.

you're telling a true story and you're. telling it for centuries before it ever. gets written down, right? And then it. gets written down in one language, it. gets translated into another language. And then you get a couple of rabbis who. decide way back like what year was it. where they took the book of Enoch out of. the canon, right? They decided because. it was from a rival faction from the. Kuman people. Those are the ones who. believed in Enoch. Well, [ __ ] those. people. Those guys are [ __ ] Let's. take let's get it out. So that that one.

story that throws the like they had to. teach that in the Bible today. If you. went to Sunday church and they were. talking about the watchers coming down. and breeding with female humans and. providing sorcery and metallurgy and. teaching them agriculture, you're like. >> what are you saying? Yeah. >> Like what happened? instead of this one. very compelling story about Jesus Christ. which is very compelling cuz there's no. human beings historically like even like. if you're a Muslim like some of the.

things that Muhammad did a lot of people. like hey this is kind of crazy married a. 9-year-old hey this is kind of cra like. what do you like he's a warlord hey this. is kind of crazy like with Jesus Christ. it's very weird like you have this. insanely peaceful person in a time of. ultimate chaos. >> where the Romans are literally taking. people that they don't like and pegging. them to a [ __ ] cross. >> Yeah. >> And then this guy decides he wants to. die that way. >> And this is everybody's story that. interacts with them. Nobody's like, "Oh,

I knew Jesus. He was a [ __ ] That guy. was a piece of [ __ ] Let me tell you, he. [ __ ] my sister, dude. I told him just. don't [ __ ] my sister." Like, no. There's. no stories like that. It's It's weird. The story is weird. the story of this. guy who tells you universal truths that. apply today. You know, treat everyone as. if they are you. >> Yeah. >> And that he figured this out 2,000 years. ago. I want to know who that guy was. Like what was going on with that guy? Was that guy like the ultimate mushroom. eater of all time? Did he figure it all.

out back then? And was he teaching these. people that? Or was he an. extraterrestrial? Was he what we think of as the son of. God? Because he literally is born from. another life form and brought down to. earth to try to help our advancement. >> It's all fascinating. >> It is very fascinating because and. anybody who's Christian like that's. [ __ ] and blasphemy and you don't. know the canon. You're right. >> But you got to throw the human being. filter into the equation always. Look,

there's some things about the human. being filter that are really. fascinating. Like one of the things that. uh Wes Huff told us when he was on the. podcast is explaining that the book the. the book of Isaiah from the Dead Sea. Scrolls which they didn't even know. existed. When they translated they found. out it is 1,000 years older than the. book of Isaiah that was thought to be. the oldest version of it. And they're. identical verbatim word for word.

>> So that's where it gets crazy, right? So. there's something about once it's. written down that the true devotees and. as long as you don't get some [ __ ]. rabbis aside get that book of Isaiah out. of there or get that book of Enoch out. of there. There's a few the we're humans. the human cat [ __ ] filter gets in the. way and you get human interaction with. this and then you lose some of the story. like [ __ ] what was the story though. Yeah, this is my take on all of it. There was something that happened, man.

And we have this urge to deny that this. something might have been some higher. intelligence from somewhere else. manipulating human genes. But we do it. I went to see the direwolves last month. I went insane. Insane. >> Are they're the same ones that are going. to bring back the woolly mammoth, right? >> Yes. I went to see the [ __ ] Game of.

Thrones direwolves. They are so clearly. not regular wolves. >> Yeah, >> it is. W and there's always people that. are saying like technically speaking, according to my academy, this is not a. real direwolf. You've just manipulated a. great. >> desperated traits of the direwolf in a. >> You're correct. However, tell it to the. direwolf. >> That thing thinks it's a direwolf. It. looks like a direwolf. It's going to. behave. It's behaving like a direwolf. My point is we do that. We [ __ ] with.

genes of animals all the time. >> Well, you and I have talked about look. at our own genes. Look at our genetic. growth of our brain and we try to go. back and say it's because we went to. hunter gatherers and all of the sudden. we burned meat and then because we. burned meat, our GI tract shrunk and our. GI tract shrunk and a protein was. absorbed and our brains were able to. grow. It still doesn't really account. for how much our intelligence jumped and. our brain capacity jumped. >> over just a small amount of time. historically when you compare all the. other animals on the planet. Another no.

other animal experience anything. remotely like the doubling of the human. brain size. But we were already pretty. [ __ ] clever, pretty clever monkeys. You know, monkeys have little languages. They tell each other when hawks are. nearby. They scream. You know, they. they've shown that some monkeys will. trick other monkeys into getting away. from the fruit. They'll yell out that. there's an eagle, and then those monkeys. run to get away from the eagle, and then. that monkey runs and gets the fruit. >> Yeah. So, they have a language. They. have deception. They're clever little.

[ __ ] but they ain't [ __ ] compared to. us. >> Yeah. >> You know, you go from monkey to Elon. Musk and you're like, "What happened?". >> Yeah. >> What happened? Show me what you did. How'd you get here? How'd you get here? There's no one has an answer. You say, "Oh, it's natural selection. It's a. random mutation." Like. maybe, or maybe that book of Enoch's. trying to tell you something. Maybe. Ezekiel is trying to tell you something. Maybe maybe that wheel within a wheel.

where this thing is coming out of the. sky and you can't even understand what. he's seeing. How How come so many people. have these? Just because I haven't had. that experience doesn't mean that that's. not a real thing that's happened over. and there might be a reason why I. haven't had that experience. First of. all, I have too big of a platform and a. big [ __ ] mouth and I'd probably ruin. the whole party. But I wouldn't even. because no one would believe me. It. would just be one more thing that you. ridicule. And when you ridicule people. for these experiences that you haven't. had yourself, you got to wonder like.

what if they're telling the truth? Did. Gary get into um cuz go back to like the. telepathy tapes and the the story with. these autistic non-verbal autistic. children. >> I should say something about that though. before we went any further. Oz Pearlman. who's a mentalist, he's very critical of. that stuff and he showed me what they're. doing. >> and one of the things that he said he. goes, "No, no, no. These women are. touching their sons while their sons are. like moving the the the words around. They're assisting. They're helping. them." He goes, "This if a mental," he. goes, "A scientist might not be able to.

see what they're doing." He goes, "But a. mentalist most certainly can." And Oz. Pearlman is [ __ ] amazing at that. [ __ ] I mean, he did some tricks where I. figured out how he did it. Jamie. actually figured one of the things that. he did out afterwards. >> Don't need to tell anybody. >> Yeah, we don't need to tell anybody. We. don't need to tell anybody. I saw Jamie. Chris Ramsay was doing all this crazy. [ __ ] amazing magician illusion [ __ ]. and Jaime's like [ __ ] calling him out. on everything he could figure out. >> Well, Jamie's a little bit Well, let me. tell you something though. Me and Jamie.

when we watched David Blaine, we were. like, "What the [ __ ] did he do?" Like, what did he do? How did he do that? He. was showing us car tricks off camera to. to my young daughter at the time. >> We were baffled. Jaime was watching him. His sleeves were rolled up. Like what. did he do? Like we watched it over and. over and over again. I don't know how. the [ __ ] he did it. >> Yeah, >> it was weird. >> Yeah, >> he's weirdly good at that [ __ ] Like. weirdly good. >> Yeah. >> Where it's it's quite it's quite a mind. [ __ ] But so Oz Pearlman's but he's not.

doing real magic. He's not a real. sorcerer. Right. This is the point. There's tricks and Oz was like you. should not account for any of that. evidence that they're showing you. He. goes, "This is all like there's a. nonverbal communication between the. mother and the son, but it involves. touching. It involves like pointing and. signaling. It's not as simple as the kid. just figured it out." And then he showed. us a video of it. And we were like, "Oh." I thought it was like the kid was. in another room. No one was around him.

They gave him the iPad. He knew what to. write down because it was in his head. cuz his mom had seen it. It's not that. simple. So maybe there's some that he's. dismissing that you can't dismiss. >> I've heard Gary do he breaks down a. certain brain anomaly that seems to be. consistent with UAP experiencers. Did he. get into that? >> No, he did not. >> He's done like these brain scans and and. tests on military personnel who were. trying to qualify for disability and. every single one of them. have this brain anomaly. And his thing.

is, is the brain anomaly an antenna that. makes you more p receptive or able to. pick up on these things or did the. encounter itself create the anomaly? >> Oo. Well, you got to do a double blind. placeboc control test and have some kid. wander through the desert for a couple. of months, hopefully get abducted. But. that's the other thing. They're not. abducting. They're they're, you know, they're doing whatever the [ __ ] they. want to do. They don't really care about. your agenda. If they are a real thing, you know, and I don't know that they.

are. I don't know that these aren't just. psychotic dreams that people have. I. don't know because dreams are very. realistic and dreams are often uniform. Like a lot of people have dreams of. falling. A lot of people have dreams of. breathing underwater. Does that mean. you're really breathing under water? >> I just look at it logically and say. there's so many inhabitable planets now. in the cosmos. And if any of those. planets ever had a head start on life a. few million years ahead of Earth, then. that there's a statistical likelihood.

that that life would have evolved into. intelligent life over time. >> and with a big enough head start, >> you would have the techn if you don't. destroy yourself. But what if the catch. is if you don't destroy yourself? And. what if the test is do does your society. reach a level of consciousness that is. non-destructive. before you become an off-planet species? >> Well, my fear is the only way to do that. is through technology. My fear is that. the only way to do that is to integrate.

with this great machine that we're. creating right now, artificial general. super intelligence, and that we are. going to either have to merge or perish. And that we're going to choose to merge. And one of the one of the things that's. probably going to happen to us is all of. these things that we love that we create. with all of our imperfect human. behavior, >> all those things are have to go bye-bye. >> That's my fear. That's why the gray. aliens all look uniform. They look all.

the same and they don't use their lips. They they talk with their minds. And. that's probably the future of the human. race. >> That's probably why it's there. When you. see that iconic image from Close. Encounters of the Third K, there's. something about that that makes sense, right? Because that goes, "Oh, I guess. that's where we're going." Because it. seems like where we're going. If we go. from, you know, ancient homminids. covered in hair, short and [ __ ]. gnarled over and fighting off predators. to some nerd who works at Google right.

now who's deciding, you know, whether or. not trans [ __ ]. activists who are protesting this or. that should show up in your Google feed. Like, >> yeah, >> you know what I mean? Like that's that's. where Well, where's it going after that? What's it's I think that's part of. what's going on with like this confusion. with gender and the fact that. microlastics are killing everybody's. reproductive systems, killing. everybody's endocrine system, significant drop in testosterone from. the 1970s, significant increase in.

miscarriages. Like we're becoming. nonbiological. sexual. >> literally becoming demolition man. Do. you remember the movie Demolition Man? >> Well, yeah. Criticizing femininity. Yeah. And and at that time it's like. greetings and salutations. Yeah, >> like nobody has violence or anything. >> We're criticizing normal femininity, especially like traditional wife roles, but we are celebrating women who assume. roles in society of toxic men, which is.

CEOs. We're celebrating a woman becoming. more manly. We're celebrating men. becoming feminists. We're celebrating. men who uh are wearing that [ __ ] BDSM. outfit that that [ __ ] was wearing. And it's like he was posing with that. outfit on like look at me. I'm free. This is how I behave and I want he shots. for all the babies. >> Oh my god. >> Like. >> we're a society that's lost its [ __ ]. way. Clearly, we've lost our way. And.

what better way to find our way than a. little thing you slip on over the head. and. and everybody's locked in and. everybody's together in this. But who's. going to control that [ __ ] thing? It. has to be decentralized. It has to be. >> literally like connected to some sort of. a hive mind blockchain. It's the only. way it's going to work. It's never going. to work if you have a corporation like. Google or Meta or any other corporation. that that has censorship. Like even. these chat bots, ask chat bots about.

like racial statistics for homicides and. things like that. They don't want to. profile. They don't want to do that. They don't want to give you answers on. things like that that are really. inconvenient and that people don't like. >> You saw that crazy [ __ ] software they. that Israeli counter surveillance. software they just launched last week. after that shooting. >> That shit's pretty scary, man. >> What are you talking about? >> There's a software that they're. launching that tracks all the tweets. >> Palunteer. Is that what you're talking. about? It's tracking everything that. people are messaging and DMing. The the. way I understand it and the way they.

were saying it is they were celebrating. it as a good thing, but I'm thinking. anybody in any chat room or any of that, it's starting to get like very minority. report. So every chat room. >> if you're saying something that could be. crazy or in a DM or in a chat room or. anywhere on the internet or in in. Instagram or in a private chat. supposedly this is combing all of the. internet, social media, everything to. begin to assess mental health and. predict analytics of seeing like if you. could be a threat and they would have.

been able to c Yeah, that's I'm like. >> then what the [ __ ] are we headed. towards? It's going to be like the. statistical algorithm says that you have. a 70% chance of committing a violent. crime today. You're arrested. >> And again, who's in control of that? The. slippery guy. The guy with like, you. know what I mean? Like Peter Teal's a. part of all that. But this is not a. knock on Peter Teal. No human. >> should have the ability to have access. to that information and decide who gets. it and who doesn't. >> Yeah. >> No. No human should be able to decide. whether or not you can connect to the.

hive mind of the entire human race and. use a telepathic language. >> Israeli military creating chat GPT like. tool using vast collection of. Palestinian surveillance data. >> and they're supposedly going to. >> Is that what they're talking about? >> It doesn't say that. >> I don't think it's Palanteer because. what I heard is it's an Israeli bag. system. Well, we should be real clear. then because I feel like I was talking. about Palanteer earlier and we're going. to get sued. So, this is a different thing.

Israeli military surveillance agencies. use a vast collection of intercepted. Palestinian communications to build a. powerful artificial intelligence tools. similar to chat GPT that it hopes will. transform its spying capabilities. Wow. Okay. Okay. According to sources. familiar with the project, the unit. began building the model to create a. sophisticated chatbot-l like tool. capable of answering questions about. people. It is monitoring and providing. insights into the massive volumes of. surveillance data that it collects. So,

that's what it's doing. And I swear there was an article after. that shooting that they're going to. start using it and rolling it out here. to proactively protect us against. potential threats. And I was like, "That shit's not good. That sounds terrifying.". >> And I guarantee they're not going to say. a peep about SSRI. How about that? It. brings it all back to this connection. I. bet they won't bring that part up. >> Yeah. >> Nope. >> So, you got all your surveillance. Did.

you notice anything? >> What? You did. You guys notice anything? You notice how. >> Oh, okay. It is. >> Trump administration silently employing. Palunteer to gather personal data of. each American, >> raising privacy data misuse concerns. So, this is a different thing. So, what. is it doing? So, this is totally different than the. Israeli thing, right? >> Okay. Yeah, I guess I got a mix. >> No worries. But they're both kind of. creepy. Uh, gather personal data of. American citizens from various federal. agencies, sparking concerns over privacy.

and potential misuse of personal data. So, what is it doing? How is it doing. this? >> Oh, I don't know. Does it say it's not. going to tell you how it's doing? >> Doesn't say how it works. >> No. um capabilities in data organization. and analysis could potentially enable. the merging of information various. agencies thereby creating detailed. profiles of American citizens. The Trump. administration but profiles curated by. who? Right. >> It says citizen data from the government. including bank accounts. >> Go back to that. >> Did you see that? It's bank accounts.

>> God where was it? >> Guys, guys, >> who signed off on this? Is this already. implemented? Say okay. Access extensive. citizen data from the government. databases, including bank details, student debt, medical claims, claims, and disability status. Oh, you might be. faking your disability, Bighgam. We. might have to come knock on your door. We don't like your tweets. Oh, by the way, um, Graham Lahan, the. guy who was on the podcast, he got. arrested when he went back to the UK.

the guy who was on the podcast who was a. beloved comedy writer from the UK who. was talking about the trans issue and. how insane it is. Lost everything. Lost. his career like getting sued constantly. Went went back to the UK and they. arrested him. They had they met armed. police met him at the airport and. arrested him for tweets for three. tweets. If you go to my my Twitter, I. retweeted it. I retweeted the story.

Um, will you uh go to that? >> That's scary because we were headed that. way. I mean, we were [ __ ] headed that. way. >> Yeah. 100%. And we still could be, you. know. >> Yeah. >> And we still could be. And when people. say, "Oh, you voted for fascism." No. I. I don't think anybody should be in. control of this country. Okay. Any one. person. But believe me, I don't I don't. think anybody's good at it. Mhm. >> But I don't think you should let the. same party that was propping up a dead. man and was secretly doing [ __ ] behind. the scenes like using autopen to sign.

off on all kinds of executive orders. that he didn't even [ __ ] know what. the details of were explained. We had. that conversation with Mike Johnson and. he literally didn't remember signing it. or thought it was something other than. what it was. >> I'm not in favor of keeping that. That's. all it is, folks. And I am in favor of. RF Kennedy. And I think a lot of the. stuff Trump believes in, like making. America a robust place where. manufacturing booms, bring back American. jobs, are positive. >> Yeah. >> I don't like the coin.

>> I don't like the Trump coin. I think. that's [ __ ] crazy. That's a crazy. move. But is it illegal? I don't know. Are they all corrupt? I think they are. Graham Lahan has been arrested at. Heathrow by five police, five armed. police officers. >> His crime was these three posts. Uh look. at these three posts. So um click on it. and we'll um we'll get to see this is. what he says is if a transidentified. male is in a femaleonly space he is. committing a violent abusive act. Make a.

scene call the cops and if all else. fails punch him in the balls. Comedy. writer also his opinion can't have that. in the UK. So this one says uh a photo. you can smell and it's all these people. that are protesting. I don't know what. the context of this is. Uh, the other one is, I hate them, misogynists, and homophobes. [ __ ] them. So, these three tweets are a problem. So, the idea of misogynists and. homophobes. You go, "Wait a minute. No, no, no. These are people that are LGBTQ2.

plus as I know a lot of gay people that. think that the trans movement is. homophobic because it's saying you're. not gay, you're a woman, and you're attracted to men, but you're. a woman." But if you just leave those. people alone and don't cut their dick. off, they most likely will be gay. And. there's data to show that. So a lot of. gay people, including Tim Dylan, think. of this movement as being homophobic. I. know that's so counterintuitive for. other people. The idea of it being.

misogynistic. Well, how is it. misogynistic? Well, what better way to. harm women than to allow male predators. to just tell you they're a woman. >> I'm not a wolf. I'm a grandma. Put on. the bonnet and now you're in the chicken. coop. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And to say that you're protecting women, including trans women, is like. that's a new thing. That's a new thing. that you invented without taking into.

account perverts. You didn't take them. into account at all. You didn't take. into account sex offenders and. psychopaths and mentally ill people. You. just said all trans women are women. Well, you just opened up the door and. gave a [ __ ] free pass to psychos to. wear a dress. And if you don't want to. admit that, that's misogynistic because. you're not really protecting women. because you think you by protect well if. we have to protect all women because. trans women are women. No, no, no, no,

no. That's a man. >> Yeah, >> that's a man. And you're using words. using sounds you make with your mouth to. distort biological reality. >> and we're and the the guys is that if. you don't do that that you're. non-empathetic. Well, that's crazy talk. That's crazy. And so that tweet is. correct. It while being a good person. >> Did he have to stay in jail or they let. him go? >> Bro, I don't know, man. But he had he. had to go to the hospital because his.

blood pressure spiked. He went [ __ ]. crazy. He's a good guy, man. He's a. sweetheart of a guy and he's super. successful. >> in the UK and he's been attacked because. a lot of these people that are, you. know, transidentified, a lot of these. people, they have a lot of mental health. issues. And there've also been people. that have been [ __ ] over by the. system, including that last school. shooter who said that they were upset. that they got tricked into becoming. trans and they wanted to cut their hair. off. They have all this hair. They. wanted to cut it off, but they did. didn't want to give anyone the. satisfaction of like showing that they.

were right, that you weren't really a. woman. >> It's such a weird topic because it's. such a small percentage of of society, but it occupies so much bandwidth in the. public forums. >> I think this is pure evidence that our. our interactions are being co-opted. And. it's it's great evidence that a lot this. is the success of the programs that like. Yuri Bzmanov talked about in the 1980s. where they were talking about. demoralization that the goal wasn't the.

Russian goal in terms of what they were. doing to America wasn't you know let's. make sure that Donald Trump wins or. let's make sure that Hillary Clinton. wins. That was not the goal. The goal is. to make people lose faith in all of. these institutions. Lose faith. completely. Demoralize them. Demoralize. them. Keep them at each other's back. Convince them all that they're racists. and that they're homophobes and they're. transphobes and they're this and they're. that and they're Nazis and this. Keep. them at each other's throats. That's why.

this thing has become so. But the. problem is then kids get caught up in it. because it becomes a part of the. zeitgeist. It becomes a part of the the. culture. You know, kids wear bell. bottoms, kids do this, I'm non-binary. Like they just jump in. They jump in. because they want to be a part of a. group. They jump in because they want to. be noticed and then they get rewarded. You're amazing. You're amazing. No one. ever told them they're amazing before. Next thing you know, they're getting. hormones. Next thing you know, they're. on this road and maybe they were. autistic and maybe they they have. they're just weird with social. interactions. And you're getting you're.

tricking kids. That's a part of this. It. doesn't it doesn't mean that there. haven't historically been people that. feel like they're in the wrong body. I'm. sure there have been. That is not this. This is this this is a giant thing. that's happening. And I think it's being. manipulated. And I think a lot of it is. it's social media manipulation where a. bunch of these people aren't even real. people and they're the most vocal and. the most outrageous about it and they're. organized. You go to these these. rallies. Why does everybody have the. same sign? Where'd you get your sign?

>> Who who made these signs? Why are they. so good? Who's who's the sign guy? >> I do know all the counter intelligence. stuff is that, you know, China and a lot. of these nations play the long game, right? They're in it for a 20 year run. It's not. They're not trying. >> 100 year run. >> Yeah. >> What's the best way to do that? Demoralize America. What's the best way. to do that? Like. >> pay off all these [ __ ] doctors to. prescribe as much medication as. possible. We have a lot of money in the. pharmaceutical drug companies anyway. This way we profit. Let's keep the ball.

rolling. Let's pay off all these. politicians. Let's just be as demonic as. possible and try to ruin this amazing. experiment in self-democracy. >> Scary. >> Yeah, >> it's a battle. this amazing experiment. in self-government that's really never. been tried before. Like we're doing it. It's a new thing, you know, and this new. thing also coincides with this other new. thing. And this other new thing is the. internet. And the internet is awesome. and scary and it's being used by. scumbags and brilliant people. Everyone.

is all swimming around in this sea of. ideas. And at least according to some. people, 80% of it is bots. >> That part's nuts. That part's nice. >> Well, and then with chat with with large. language models, I keep saying chat with. any large language model. >> I mean, man, when you interact with them. and it even shows up on my feeds, I see, you know, they know how to target us. They know like everything. They know how. to capture my attention. And it's like. >> now I'm like I showed Amanda a video the.

other day and she's like, "Oh, that's. AI." And I had to do like a double take. because I was kind of like half paying. attention. Yeah. >> But it was 100% all AI generated. I'm. like, "Damn, man." Yeah. Yeah. >> Like what are we going to do in another. 18 months? Like you're not going to know. what's real. >> You're not going to have any idea. >> I see them doing ads for you all the. [ __ ] time shows up on my feed. >> I know. >> you Huberman. >> I get people to call me. >> The only reason I know it's [ __ ] is. because it's I know you're not. advertising for that and I know. Huberman's not advertising for that. And. I'm like.

>> I don't even know how they can legally. get away with it. I mean I think they. get hammered but. >> we we go after them and we have them. take them down but they sometimes they. don't listen. They took one of our. podcast. It showed up on YouTube. It was. one of our podcast. I don't even. remember what you were saying, but it. was you breaking down something to do. with Waste Well and how it's helped you, but it was in Wazwell. They plug in. their like product. >> of course. >> And I'm like, "Oh, these [ __ ]. >> These [ __ ] man. They do it. with everything. They do it with some. sleep apnea and mouthpiece. They do it. with all kinds of [ __ ] man. They just.

This like people different rappers will. have me saying that they're the best. rapper ever. and they put it up on TikTok to try to. get some clout. It's wild, man. We're in. a wild time. But again, it's we're. experiencing great change and it's not. it doesn't go easy. And that's why. there's so much chaos. But you can't. lose your humanity in all this, folks. This is this is the trap and this is the. the trap that's being accentuated by. social media. this uh tribal trap of.

thinking that um the other side is evil. and to to combat them, you have to be. evil and and you have to be super mean. and shitty because it's justified. because those people are fascists or. those people are Nazis. Like. >> that's a trap. It's all a trap. >> I can tell you 100% industry, I. witnessed it when I testified at the. federal and the state level. industry is. attempting to separate and divide us to. turn things into issues that aren't.

anywhere related. Right? This is about. racism. This is about sexism. This is. it's all a ploy to divide and conquer. because if we're fighting each other, we're not united. And we can't fight. industry. But the real evil empire is. all these people pulling the strings and. ramrotting agendas that are killing. millions of Americans every year. >> Yes. And they're doing it for profit. And that is probably in the Bible. >> That's pro that's probably demonic. It's.

pro I mean that the idea of what demonic. thoughts are. What what are evil. thoughts? I think there's this constant. battle because that's the only way you. get better. That's what I think. I think. on a macro level like when you when just. thinking about life, right? How do you. get strong? You get strong by working. out. So you have to push yourself so. you're weak. like you can't do another. push-up and that's how you get strong at. at doing push-ups. It's the only way. The only way to get really good is to. combat evil.

>> You don't just get good. >> Yeah. >> Like there's no reason to be good. Like. it doesn't matter. Like everybody's. good. Everybody's fine. Life is boring. as [ __ ] You have to have some evil. And. you have evil so that you realize that. good is so much better. It's a so much. better choice. But the choice is not. just in like on a societal level. this. the choice is you on an individual and. there's moments in your life where you. can decide whether you're going to be. evil or are you going to be good or. maybe you decide like hey what I did I.

don't like and I I feel evil I feel like. I shouldn't have done that and then you. have to realize like that's a part of. growth it's a connect this it's a battle. and this battle is what we're. experiencing right now but my fear is. that there's a lot of us that are. unaware of the the the actual full. impact of all of these other factors. that aren't really people. These bots. and corporations and propaganda and how. they're ga like that fat guy arguing.

with you on that video. >> That's a gaslighting [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Like I don't listen to you if you look. like that. If you're telling me about. health. >> Yeah. >> Period. >> Like get someone who looks like. Huberman. Yeah. Get someone who looks. like he can fight in the UFC tomorrow, right? That I'll listen to that guy cuz. he's. >> like, "You don't eat a meal from a. skinny chef." Like, you know, things. people say. It's like. >> if you have an obese doctor who's not. taking care of themselves, it it's not.

an attack on obesity. It's hard for me. to trust your decision making. >> Hold on though. Philip Franklin Lee is. thin and he's one of the best [ __ ]. chefs alive. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's true. Philip broke. the mold. >> He broke that mold. But he had to get. thin. He got to get healthy. >> We helped him. I know you did. >> We helped him lose a shitload. I think. he's lost 20 pounds. But then also, we. uncovered a bunch of toxins in his. system. He posted about it the other day. and he's like, "This is from when I. started to now." And you can see it in. his blood work. All of these different.

contaminants are now at like. physiological normal levels where they. were at spiked levels before. Like. microplastics was one of them. >> Yeah, microplastics are a big one. And. the problem is it goes into your brain. Do you know most people have like a. plastic fork like a [ __ ] picnic fork. sized amount% of our brain by weight is. microplastics now? That's insane. Yeah. We're like what's causing depression? I. I don't know. It could be this or this. or this or this. >> So this goes back to what I was saying. is going to happen to us if I was I mean.

obviously I got to say it but I've. already said it but I just got to say it. so you know I'm not Peter Teal. I love. us. I love humans. I love Peter Teal. He's a nice guy. My interactions with. him, I mean, I don't know if he's evil. I don't think he is. >> I think all of these factors that are. destroying our endocrine system, making. us less sexual, all these confusions, society and culture and chaos and war, all of it is leading us to this leap.

that the only way to escape all this. awful stuff that's on this side is to. transcend. And you transcend by. integrating with whatever the [ __ ] we're. creating right now. This this Manhattan. project that's going on right now. between Open AI and Grock and did then. they're [ __ ] sabotaging each other. and stealing data. Do you hear about. that guy that left Grock and he he. downloaded the entire Grock database and.

then [ __ ] sold it to Chat GPT? >> No. >> Find that. So yeah. >> Wait, can we pause for a second? >> You got to pee. Yeah, I've been holding. I've been chugging water. So, >> okay, go ahead. Go ahead, pee and come. back. We'll find that. >> All right. >> Ah, the sweet relief of pee. >> But, so that's what I think is happening. to us. I think we're becoming some new. thing. And I think it's uh going to. happen way quicker than we'd like it to. be. While no engineer sold Grock to Open. AI, Elon Musk AI sued a former engineer,

try saying that name, for allegedly. stealing Grock's secrets before leaving. XAI to join Open AI. So Elon tweeted. that he downloaded XAI accuses Lee of. downloading a large amount of. confidential information and the full. code base for Grock shortly before and. after his resignation. internal investigations revealed that. Lee allegedly uploaded the stolen code. database to OpenAI servers. So, they're. they're they're doing that. And then.

also, I think Open AI had a situation. where they they believe that Chinese. some Chinese uh scientists had access to. their data. like something happened. where there was some sort of a breach of. security and they're pretty sure that. China got access to all the shut stuff. that they're doing. So see if you can. find that story cuz I just butchered. that. But they're of course doing that. Of course they're doing that. Why would.

they not do that if they've done that. with everything else? Why would they not. do that? Open AI takes down chat GPT. accounts linked to statebacked hacking. and disinformation. Statebacked threat. actors from a handful of countries are. now using chat GPT for illicit purposes. ranging from malware refinement to. employment scams and social media. disinformation campaigns. Open AAI said. this week, Jesus Christ. Of course, of. course they're using Chat GPG to scam. people. Of course, >> I just look at all the ways it's going. to impact society from jobs and.

everything. We're going to live in the. craziest of times. >> Go back to that. Look at it. Stirring. the social media pot. Open AAI said it. banned dozens of accounts that saw using. chat GBT to bulk generate social media. posts consistent with the activity of a. c a covert influence campaign or. operation. Many of the China based. accounts issued prompts in Chinese and. sought responses in English on a variety. of topics including the shutdown of US.

aid, various sides of divisive topics within. US political discourse, backlash towards. Taiwan, Pakistani activist, I don't know. how to say that name, who has publicly. criticized China's investments in. Balokistan. Would you even if ever. thought that was a real country? >> That seems like. >> Pakistan. >> That sounds like something that the Game. of Thrones guy would write down. >> The account sought to create social. media comments in English, Chinese, and.

Udu that were found being posted on Tik. Tok, X, Reddit, Facebook, and other. social media platforms. Yeah, this is. the point like this. We know that this. has been going on, right? We know that. China has AI, Russia has AI, we have. competing, there's Meta AI, there's. Google Gemini, there's Grock with X AI, there's chat GPT which is open AI. There's a ton of them. There's. perplexity. There's a whole bunch of.

different AIs that are constantly right. now in competition to see who creates. God. >> Yeah. Well, and so what you were saying. earlier about the evolution of humanity. and the direction we're headed, AI and. that component, and there's that. technological component, but there's. also all the [ __ ] we're unlocking with. crisper. Yes. >> And the direction we're headed, and we. can now edit your genes, and I could. edit your genes with crisper to change. So, essentially, we would take a a male. sperm, a female egg, we create that a.

clone, and we literally replicate that. clone multiple times down the chain. And. we can now edit in roughly 20 points of. IQ. So through crisper you can edit. somebody's intelligence by 20 IQ points. That's the difference between Arnold. Schwarzenegger and Albert Einstein. Now. what if you do that three, four, five. generations down. >> You're being so kind to Arnold. Schwarzenegger. >> You would be able to create superhumans. I don't know. But that's what it that's. what it said in uh what is it? The gene.

editing. I don't remember which gen. >> Is Arnold a genius? >> No. No. The difference the the big jump. though is just 20 IQ points to be Albert. Einstein, >> right? But what's Albert at? >> I don't even know. >> This is Buck 50. >> Hacking Darwin, the book Hacking Darwin. explains all this and the direction. we're headed and how you would be able. to essentially and China's already doing. this. >> 100%. >> They're already went to jail. He's like, "Whoops, I didn't mean to do that." They. said they were inoculating the kids from. >> super intelligent humans. >> They were saying they're inoculating. them from HIV. Like, who's getting HIV?

Shut the [ __ ] up, [ __ ]. >> Yeah. and they just accidentally got. smarter. >> Yeah. >> And so then the problem becomes, go back. to like ADHD in schools and stuff in the. '8s when everyone starts creating, you. know, little uh superhumans and. everyone's going to look back almost. back to Demolition Man, what we were. talking about. You you don't you create. a baby in a test tube because you can. edit out all the gene defects and all. the issues in your genetics and optimize. that child's success at living a.

healthy, happy life. minimizing chronic. disease. But if we just add a little. spice here, we can make them twice as. smart. >> Of course, >> and then everyone's going to do that, >> of course. And then, >> and if you don't, China does. Russia. does. So then where's America have to. do? We have to counter punch. >> The thing is, they're probably already. doing it. >> And the thing like China is so advanced. with so many different technologies. right now that most most people are just. not aware. They're not aware. And. someone was describing that um about how.

god I wish I remembered the podcast it. was on but this guy was uh talking about. how essentially what what goes on in. China is say if they want to get into uh. solar panels if like they start. producing solar panels. the government. will get involved and say, "We want you. guys to make the most awesome solar. panels." And then they have this shark. tank of people competing to see who. develops the best solar panel company, and only the best ones are going to. survive. >> And it's all funded by the smart idea.

>> It's a very smart idea. And through. that, they've developed the best drones, definitely the best electric cars. Out. of nowhere, China has the best electric. cars. Like by a mile, like by a country. mile, dude. There's nothing even. America, even if you have like one of. those uh. >> But we got the best American muscle. cars. >> We definitely do. But that's a different. thing, right? But when it comes to. technological innovation, they're way. ahead of us. So if they're ahead of us. with that, if they run the same game on.

AI while we're all battling it out with. each other and stealing each other's. data, they're probably running that same. game over there. And if they really did. steal all the chat GPT database, did. they did they did China have access to. chat GPT to um Open AI's database? Was. it speculated that there was some sort. of a breach? >> What what came when I typed in breach. and with those words, that's what came. up is what I showed you. So something. else a different story would be a.

different story. Hm. >> I read I was reading too that China's. beating us in the arms race of energy. infrastructure to be able to actually. implement this level of AI. >> Not only that, they're running around on. AI talking about the problem of climate. change and we need to do this, we need. to do that while they're making [ __ ]. shitloads of coal factories in China. You got to It's like they're playing. this multilevel game and they're using. all of our cultural hotspots, all the.

things that we like to argue about gay. marriage and this and that and prayer in. schools. And you think it's organic. You. think people are really fighting in the. street for all these things, but it's. not. It's other countries want us doing. this, including our own country. >> Yeah. One of the wild things that um. Representative Luna said when she was. here, one of the wild things she said. there's a lot of problems they don't. want to solve so that they could fund. raise against them.

>> Wow. >> And I was like, that is so dark and I. believe it. >> I never thought about it that way, but I. believe it. It makes sense. I think. marijuana legalization is one of those. I think it's one of those I think. there's there's there's a few of those. things out there that. you know it's dark but I think it's. true. I think they don't want solutions. They want to keep. >> the big the biggest thing that I think. about is I see just in my sector of. healthcare and compounding how much.

AI is going to impact workplace and. infrastructure. >> and and just reality like at at our. pharmacy you know we have almost 300. people and we were looking at this. software I needed to expand and hire. more people I needed 200 people we can't. hire fast enough and I'm looking at this. and we're going if we implement this AI, we can reallocate 200 people and not. have to go hire 200 people and then we.

just get to promote the people who are. already with us. But at what point does. the AI just get to a point where it's. doing all of our jobs? Like all of our. jobs and it will even in his own uh blog. >> uh he's talking about eight years ago. how we don't understand that this is. going to replace almost all jobs in. America everywhere in the world. >> Who's that dude? is a diary of a CEO. host. Do you know that? >> Oh, yeah. I know who you're talking. about. I don't know his name, but his. name. The British guy. >> Yeah.

>> No, no, no. >> CEO. >> And candidly, it does it better. >> Steven Bartlett. >> Steven Bartlett. So he was having a. conversation with someone where he was. saying that one of his friends he knows. someone who's like a AI guy. >> and privately he he talks very different. than he does publicly publicly he's. talking about oh it's going to be. amazing you know it's going to be b and. but in private he's like this is going. to be crazy and no one's ready for it.

>> and that's what I think. >> I agree and then the humanoid robots are. you watching all that they're evolving. quick. >> that's going to be interesting But I. think that's a side project. That's. that's like a it's a distraction. The. the re the real thing is going to be. non-physical. The real thing is going to. be this bizarre connection that we have. to this ultimate intelligence and it's. going to be pumped straight into your. dome. You're not going to want to [ __ ]. that robot when you're when you're. literally plugged into the matrix like.

the physical like sex robot that. everybody dreams of. There's going to be. a few losers who like live in the hills. and you know wear overalls and [ __ ]. kill squirrels all day and then they. have this sex robot they come home and. [ __ ] maybe. I think most people are. going to integrate and it's going to be. just like cell phones like most people. you know I know a lot of people like I. don't even carry your cell phone I. [ __ ]. >> and think you're saying that and you. have one of the most interesting. colorful. lives. Imagine the person who's just.

[ __ ] grinding and showing up to their. job every day that they hate and. >> and they can escape. Like they they. already are escaping in these virtual. worlds. Like. >> even kids like it's different with kids. I I I like I've watched younger kids. now. They hang out with their friends in. like online. Like they don't go like. have to ride over like we rode bikes. over to our friends houses and stuff. They would all hang out and play. whatever that Roblox or whatever it is. with their friends. >> Yep. Yep. in chat rooms. >> But I used to do that. I used to get.

online and and play my friends on Quake. They were friends I was only friends. with online. Yeah. >> But it's fun, >> you know, and when right now, you know, you're dealing with just looking at a. screen. >> when you're actually in the game, then. things are going to get real weird. Things are going to get so [ __ ]. strange. >> because already these um like meta. glasses, those [ __ ] things that you. put on what what are they the Oculus. system, what is it called, Jamie? What. does Meta call it? >> Which one? >> What? Their their their latest and.

greatest virtual reality. The virtual. reality headset. Sorry. >> Yeah. Metaquest. >> MetaQuest, dude. Pretty [ __ ]. incredible. Pretty fun. >> Pretty exciting, you know. And once they. figure out haptic feedback, like. legitimate haptic feedback, especially. if if there's some sort of an interface, if it doesn't have to be even installed, it was something that just clamps to. your forehead and gets a reading on your. brain. The same way like like when you. look at your phone, it opens up because. it you do that stupid thing, the Face. ID. >> Yeah. >> Where you like program the image of your.

phone on an iPhone. It just recognizes. you. Oh, hello Brighgam. Like it knows. your brain signals and it's like close. your eyes and count back from 10, nine, yeah, eight. And then you see the whole. consciousness sink down and now all of a. sudden you're in a warehouse. Choose. your armor. [ __ ] yeah. And you put an. armor on. >> It's Black Mirror. We're going to be. living in Explain to you what the. weapons do and uh what what zombies are. the most dangerous. You're like, "Okay,

okay." And then they just [ __ ] open. the door. >> I'm not going to lie, it does sound fun. as long as we don't don't all, you know, >> it's going to be it's going to be very. fun. But the there's always going to be. some [ __ ] that's controlling the entire. system. And this is why you have to have. everything that is it's got to be. decentralized. Everything has got to be. like a blockchain. It's got to be like. Bitcoin. It has to be like that. It. can't it can't be there's a group once. it gets to this. insanely potent computing power where.

it's a life form. You can't have anybody. in. >> Think how addictive people how think of. the addiction and the dopamine response. to social media. >> Yeah. >> And multiply that infinity times bill. >> I mean, you're [ __ ]. >> You're [ __ ] because regular life, like. if you're a [ __ ] if you're working at. a deli, you know, you're you just making. tuna fish sandwiches and hanging out. with the boys and, you know, >> hanging with the boys. >> and you get out of there and you're a. knight. You're a knight and you're.

you're you're battling with demons and. you're you're [ __ ] riding a horse in. Game of Thrones. Like really? Like. that's totally possible. >> Yeah. >> It's not even that far away cuz what you. can see visually right now when they do. these these video games that that are. available today, >> the Unreal Engine is so good, dude. It's. so good that all it would have to do is. be virtual and then figure out how to. emulate movement and how to get you to.

feel like you're moving and that's. probably just manipulating some part of. your brain that it scans out. It. probably figures out what, you know, maybe you have to shave. >> I believe all this stuff because even. Elon here, he was talking about how we. can help you see in infrared. Yeah. >> Like through this technology, we can. create the impulse signals or whatever. in the brain that allow you to see in. infrared. >> Did you see those night vision contact. lenses they've created? >> No, >> bro. They've created night vision. contact lenses.

>> Yeah. >> See if you can find that, Jim. Never. before. >> [ __ ] banana contacts. Put them in and. now you're a wolf. >> But then the same thing we're talking. about with. crisper and gene editing, >> right? >> It's going to be the same thing when. everyone has an implant and I can. download jiu-jitsu in my brain. You're. at a disadvantage if you don't have the. implant. Well, not only that, how can. you compete? >> You can't. You're going to have to join. These contact lenses give people. infrared vision even with their eyes. shut.

with their [ __ ] eyes shut. That's. nuts. New way of seeing infrared light. without the need for chunky night vision. goggles. Researchers will be the first. contact lenses to convey infrared vision. and the devices work even when people. have their eyes closed. >> Holy [ __ ] dude. Now imagine when that's. if you're blind and they say, "Brigam, um, we can actually give you eyesight, but you're going to have like super. eyesight." Yeah, >> like your eyesight will be way. So, people are eventually going to get their. eyeballs plucked out and like I'm tired.

of wearing readers. I'm going to go in. and get the new eyeballs and you're. going to put on these Monsanto devived. eyeballs. >> I mean, they even said you would be able. to have eagle eye mode and he was. breaking all that down where you could. see at a high resolution at a distance. >> Yeah. geothermal like you. >> I don't think you could stop it and this. is the thing about people oh god you're. so cynical I'm not I'm not I love people.

I love people and I love life. >> I think this is happening whether we. like it or not and I don't necessarily. know that it's a bad thing I think. >> I don't know if that's true but James. Cameron is that a fake tweet. >> I reposted it cuz I'm a dumbass but it. was James Cameron said I warned you guys. 30 years ago and I reposted that it it. was all over media. So, I'm like, I. don't know if it's really not, but it's. funny. >> He's a clever guy. He probably did post. that. He's right. So was the, you know, the really [ __ ] scary thing. You know. who was right? The [ __ ] Uni Bomber.

was right. That was the Uni Bombers's. whole manifesto was that technology is. going to kill the human race. >> He said it, but just not in a tweet. >> Uh, I warned you guys in 1984. >> You didn't listen. Uh, sure. Look, I. mean, you've got. >> Yeah, >> that's nuts. >> That's even better. >> Have you seen the new Alien on Hulu? >> I have been watching it. I'm on episode. >> But think about that, too. You're a. physical avatar, right? You're. terminally ill. What if we can take your. consciousness and put it into a body or. there's not even a there's like a I. don't a humanoid biologic thing, which.

is what. >> and it has to a child cuz it doesn't. grow. It's weird. >> I like the angle they took. I thought it. was really good. >> And it brings the aliens back to my. favorite kind of aliens, which you don't. see a lot of them and they're scary as. [ __ ] and they're really clever. The. problem with James Cameron's version of. aliens is now all a sudden they're easy. to shoot and everyone's just gunning. them down. You're killing tons of them. The first alien was hiding all the time. Like you didn't see until it wanted to. be seen. >> Yeah. Then you go into the den and she's.

literally just planting eggs in. everyone. >> She's a dumbass. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. The the the first one was like. creepier. >> Yeah. >> It was it was it was a hunting alien. It. was like going after people and hunting. them. >> And the other one's Prometheus. That. plays into everything we're talking. about. People hated Prometheia, a lot of. people. But I liked it. >> when he literally asked. >> his creator, the guy who invented the. humanoid robot, and he asked him, >> "What makes you more important than me?".

And he said, "Because you will die, you. will wither away. You will do all these. things, but I will be here, and I won't. lose my consciousness. I won't lose my. all this stuff." He's like he's gaining. uh like consciousness in the moment and. he's asking and that's the [ __ ] where. it's like dude. >> like we keep making things smarter and. smarter and smarter. What is. consciousness? We don't even know what. it is. >> Yeah. Well, that's the interesting about. thing about these movies like the alien. movies in particular especially the. television show cuz the television show.

different than the movies uh adopted a. 1970s framework for technology in 2120. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Shitty little green screens. >> Everything's shitty. The screens are. shitty. The the like the the. televisions. They're like regular old. school TVs that you have to slap to get. to work. >> It's weird. So, they have like this. weird And then there's the robot thing, >> you know, the the robot guy who's in. every one of them like the like in. synthetic robot.

>> Yeah. >> Why why not just send all synthetic. robot? Why do you have any people on. this [ __ ] thing? >> If you got synthetic robots that don't. die, you have aliens out there. Well, then you go back to like what a lot of. the UAP whistleblowers are saying that. because I've gotten to meet a lot of. these guys too and they start saying. that grays are synthetic biologics that. are almost like hive mind avatars. And. again, I'm not saying I believe it. I'm. not I'm just saying it's interesting and. like a lot of the stuff that's been in. folklore forever now starts to make more.

and more like theoretical framework. sense for why and how you would navigate. some new environment. >> especially. >> and why you'd leave bodies and not give. a [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> If there's any truth to any of it. >> If there's any. But that's the problem. We're both saying if because neither one. of us have seen an alien. >> No. Unfortunately, you know, >> but I've talked to enough really smart. people that you start going, man. And I. know I tried to get Jamie to chime in. He's always.

>> Jamie goes back and forth with it just. like I do. We have conversations about. it all the time. Don't you go about. where you at right now? >> Oh, I don't know. This week it's probably mostly [ __ ]. but. I I'm trying to I'm not tracking it this. week really to be honest with you. >> But we we both go back. You would agree. with that? We both go back. >> Yeah. >> I go back and forth, but it's mainly if. I really self diagnose, it's ego. >> I get frustrated and I go, it's all. [ __ ] if it was real. But there is a.

lot of kinks in the armor. And if just. statistically, >> I'm not saying that little green men are. visiting, but there's statistically like. >> a high probability that there's. intelligent life out there. And then. statistically, did that life have a head. start? And did it reach intelligent. life, >> right? And did it escape whatever the. problems are with natural disasters that. we experience? Because one of the thing. if there is a reset in our society, it's. usually because of an asteroid impact or. a super volcano blows off or a tsunami.

wipes out a city, >> the society has to have developed. technological capabilities that help. negate all those things. >> And so wouldn't a society like that be. able to live in the ocean? And if that's. the case, maybe that's what's going on. because it seems like a there's a lot of. activity that that takes place in a. place where we've only explored 5%. >> And that's the oceans. And there's so. many sightings of these transmedium.

crafts, including video of things going. into the water with no splash. >> and and and especially. videos that were generated at a time. where they didn't have the sophisticated. CGI that they have today. So, you know, if I saw that today, I'd be like, well, if that's from 2025, who [ __ ] knows. who made that? That you could have made. that on chat. >> GPT. That's where I'm going. You talked. to I know you've interviewed Commander. Fraver. I had the opportunity to meet. and talk to him like in private in a. group of people. And his. >> I mean, the guy knows his [ __ ] He knows.

the Black Ops. He knows everything. And. this is 20 something years ago, >> 2004. >> And his thing is there is no way in. hell. I mean, it would have been moving. at 35,000 miles per hour and been. transmedium, >> right, >> literally 20 years ago. >> And the idea that someone's inside of. that is ridiculous. Like, you would be. jello. >> Yeah. >> If it's a traditional propulsion system, which by the way, it didn't des it. didn't have any signatures. >> of a traditional propulsion system. There's no like heat blasting.

>> The craziest thing he said though, which. I don't I didn't fully understand on the. podcast, is when he kept saying it knew. our set point. and knew our set point or. whatever. >> Mhm. >> That's not programmed in anywhere. >> No, >> that's just in the pilot's head. >> Yeah. >> So, how did it know the set point? >> Did you hear what Gary Nolan said about. it? >> No, I haven't listened to that one. I'm. going to listen to it, though. >> He said that the amount of force that it. would take, so this thing is, let's just. say this thing weighs uh two tons, which. is like a car, you know, like a lot of.

cars are like 4,000 lb. Mhm. >> So this thing weighs 2 tons and it went. from, you know, sea level to 50,000 ft. above sea level in less than a second. So whether or not that's even physically. possible, the amount of energy that it. would take to generate to move 4,000 lbs. that quickly would be the more than the. total energy generated by the United. States in a year. >> It's nuts.

>> And it has to do it instantaneously. when you start seeing all these things. and then you layer in the Jesse stuff. and all the [ __ ] all the work Jesse's. done and his deep dives into history and. foya documents and disclosures and you. just start going. >> what the hell. >> yeah you go what the hell but I I it's. fun and that's how I treat it I treat it. like it's fun because I really don't. know I love the tridactyl mummies I'm. fascinated by it and I think Jesse's I I. think he deserves you know if they were. if journalism was really what it could. have been today if they had sort of.

accepted independent journalism and and. celebrated it instead of saying like. only corporate sponsored mainstream. gigantic journalism is real journalism. which is obviously the opposite of. what's true. Jesse would get an award if. if if the the world was just he would. get an award. he would get an award for. that particular show that he did on. those tridactyl mummies because that is. crazy when he did when they did those. scans and you see the ligament and and. guys like.

>> Gary who is a legitimate scientist like. published at Stanford who who's looking. at that thing and saying this doesn't. make any sense like this looks like a. real creature everything is in place we. don't know what it is we don't is that a. genetic anomaly like. >> we have to study that this is crazy. opportunity to study. And these just. folks just have it in Peru. Just have a. few of them laying around in the fetal. position. These [ __ ] aliens with. three toes and three fingers and it's it. seems to be a real body.

>> And Jesse stuck his neck out and went. down to Peru and filmed these things and. they did these medical scans on them so. you could see what the actual what's. underneath all that, you know, white. tissue looking stuff. Is this just. sticks and. >> Yeah. you watch you look at it and it. seems too convenient and too crazy. But. then when you watch him systematically. break down and all these thought leaders. and all these experts and all these. different people giving their lens and. then you see these MRIs and you're like. you didn't make those hands. No,

>> like these would have been. >> Not only that, 1700 years ago you didn't. make it. >> That's the weird thing. And how about. the one of them that has a fetus inside. of it? >> And then the name of the region. >> Yeah. >> What the What did he say the name? He. says it in the documentary, but the name. of the region is like. I don't even know incimination and. something something or I'm like what. >> dude those are probably aliens and. that's probably a form of human. That's. probably what we're going to find out. If they do a DNA if someone lets them do. DNA tests on those things.

>> and there's DNA to extract and they run. a sequence on it. I bet we find out that. we are like them. >> Yeah. >> I bet they're the overlords. >> Interesting. The the weird thing about the Peru stuff. is not just the mummies. It's the. ancient architecture. It's uh Machap. Picchu, you know, it's all these like. really unexplained enormous stones that. were placed in incredible ways where. everything is like tongue and groove.

like where it would respond well to. earthquakes like a technology to avoid. earthquakes with massive monolithic. stones. when you're looking at them, you're like, "How did you move this? Like, who did this? Who why did you have. all these uh art projects where you. could only see them from the sky?". >> Yeah. >> Like, what is. >> Oh, yeah. All the Yeah. The lines. What. is that? Yeah. >> And why do you have ancient artwork of. these three fingered, three-toed. creatures? >> Well, you have artwork from a thousand.

years ago of these things. like they. seems like they were a real thing living. in that area and they were probably. flying around and they were probably. building Puma Punku and Machu Picchu. They probably were us. It's probably a. version of us. Like if Neanderthal was. alive and then it wasn't and then we're. like wow we didn't even know that. Neanderthal was a thing until we. discovered oh looks like it interbred. with us. Oh it was a part of us. So now. we know that there's a Neanderthal, but.

500 years ago, no one had any idea. No. one had any idea that there was like an. ancient man that was bigger than us, stronger than us. >> Down, too. I think isn't it like 70%. of the bipeedal species that we've. uncovered uh like that are our relatives. have all been discovered in the last. like 60 years? >> Yeah. And a bunch of them been. discovered in the last decade, >> you know, just like crazy. >> the last few years. Just recently we. were talking about that homo Julian's.

this enormous man that they found with a. huge head. They they don't know how big. these [ __ ] things were. They might. have been 7 foot tall Supermen like and. then there's depictions of them like. covered in hair looking [ __ ] jacked. or they're trying to like figure out. what these things actually looked like. Why is it so crazy to think there might. have been a version of us that looked. like that? >> Why isn't it so crazy if we are so soft. and so doughy in comparison to gorillas? because we're so intelligent implants, too.

>> So, we're so intelligent and we're so. advanced in comparison to them. Well, if. that thing is more advanced and more. intelligent than us, it's going to be. just like what you compare us to. gorillas, it's going to be like that to. us. It's going to be comparable. It's. going to be frail. And that's what they. look like. Just frail super nerds with. giant heads and [ __ ] medical. implants. What's that thing in that. thing's neck? Like, what is that? It's. going to get interesting, too. I know. that Corbell and Knap are uh they say.

they've got, I think, six witnesses, including, I thought, firsthand. witnesses that are going to testify this. time. >> Wow. >> If if it if it all happens. >> The weird thing is the VIA um. descriptions look exactly like those. things. >> Yeah. >> Three toes, three fingers. And. everybody's like, "That's nonsense.". >> The black one, was that the black? Well, it's like a purplish purple one that. smelt and then the guy died who touched. it and there's all this like documented. stuff that occurred. >> and they smell like sulfur.

>> Just like demons. >> Yeah, >> it's probably what they were trying to. describe. I mean, if you had some. >> said multiple times, interdimensional. interdimensional, which is I thought was. interesting. >> Yeah, but she didn't have an. explanation. Like, what do you mean? How. do you know that? Why are you saying. that so confidently? Like like. >> you'd have to tell me like how how does. something traverse a dimension? What's. the theory? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And what does that mean? Like where is. it? Is it in a physical form somewhere. else like another place and it comes. here? Like what do you mean? You know. cuz there's a dimension of sound. There's a dimension of like three. dimensions or it's like you know space.

and time and all the we we kind of have. an understanding a grasp of it. >> So if there's a seventh dimension, eighth dimension, does it just take a. bus and get here? Like what are you. talking about? Is it here and now it. exists in this dimension and that. dimension simultaneously? >> Like what is it? What happens to its. form over there? >> Crush was trying to explain it to me, but I'm too dumb. I'm not smart enough. >> I'm not even nearly smart enough. >> You're a threedimensional being in a. threedimensional world. And the your. shadow on the ground is a. two-dimensional shadow of a.

threedimensional being in. threedimensional world. I'm like, what? >> I'm a I'm a material girl. I don't know. what you're talking about. >> Yeah. I don't know, man. But it's fun. >> It is fun. >> It's fun to It's fun to talk about. And. I'm glad there's guys like Jesse out. there making awesome videos. And about. this one, I think it's one of the most. important because it's it it throws a. giant monkey wrench into it's all. nonsense because as soon as you see the. scans of that thing's body, everyone. should it should pause. Everyone should. put their newspaper down and go, "What.

the [ __ ] are we doing about this?" Yeah. >> Like what are we doing about this? That. might be what everyone's been talking. about. That might be the thing that. genetically engineered us. That might be. it. >> So crazy. So crazy. >> If we're bringing back direwolves, then. >> bring back an alien. >> Yeah, >> they're probably already here. That's. probably just one that we found. You. know, they're probably here and they. don't want to be seen anymore because. we're [ __ ]. >> And then one day we won't be [ __ ]. >> All right, brother. Dude, >> let's wrap this up. >> Thank you for having me on. >> Three and a half hours.

>> That was This is the longest one we've. done. >> Yeah, but it's awesome. I love you. Appreciate you very much. Appreciate. what you're doing. It's an awesome. company. Ways towel.com. Uh, check it. out and thank you for all you're doing. to try to. give people a better understanding about. how [ __ ] incredibly corrupt this. whole system really is. >> Thank you for having me on and giving us. a voice. >> My pleasure, my brother. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause].

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