Joe Rogan Experience #2374 - Ben van Kerkwyk

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> Ben, so excited to talk to you, man. I. have been so looking forward to this. since I saw your video on the labyrinth. in Egypt. Spoiler alert. There appears to be a 40. m long metallic tic tacshaped object.

How how deep into the ground? >> Uh it's in the so it's in the central. atrium which we'll get into what that is. but somewhere in the realm of 60 70 m. So man what's that in feet like 200 feet. 150 to 180 ft down something like that. >> So for anybody who's interested what is. the name of that video that you put out? I think it's the ancient structure like. that's said to be greater than the. pyramids. I tried to tease it a little. bit, but it's it's it's on that it's on. my channel. I mean, >> well, it was a good tease. You got me. I. I dove right in and I I remember I was.

in the gym while I was watching it and I. I literally stopped working out. I was. like, "Okay, I got to pause this cuz. this is not something that I can consume. while I'm working out. I need to like. really pay attention to this because. it's so wild.". >> Yeah. And and I I honestly that that I'm. grateful for how like that video took. off. like it for me it took off but way. bigger than than ones that I've done in. the past. I talked about the labyrinth. in the past and it's it's a much longer. video and uh I was I was really glad to. get the chance to dive into these. details cuz I've been wanting to revisit. the labyrinth for a long time. However,

there's just been recently a bunch of. new data that came up about things that. happened a decade or two ago or in yeah. inside the last decade that really. changed that picture and that was there. was things like the Merlin Burough scans. that that correlated other scans and. also reported on yeah there seems to be. a metallic object down there and this. isn't you know this isn't sort of crazy. emerging science. This is a a legitimate. company that is using technology that's. been well established in defense and in.

in the UK defense. It came out of the. the UK military as a technology that's. been more or less proven. So, and the. guy that that Tim Acres, rest in peace, unfortunately, he's since passed, but he. uh you know what he said about this. object, like he's he is a credible guy. to to say this. He he doesn't draw. conclusions about what it might be, but. it's definitely it's not wood. It's not. stone. It's metal. It's not unlike other. metal that he's seen. Although they. couldn't classify what exact type of. metal it is, but he said, "Yeah, there. is a in this central atrium.

cuz the labyrinth has multiple levels. and it's it's almost like you're imagine. yourself standing in a shopping mall and. and you have that central atrium where. you can see all these levels and it's. like this big central chamber that. connects to these multiple levels. It's. open. It's at least 40 m long. It's. really tall and in the center of it is. what's more than 40 cuz it contains this. single sort of 40 piece 40 m long object. that's sitting in there. >> So how did you find out about the. labyrinus? Like this is something that. has been talked about for a long time.

>> Thousands of years. >> Yeah. But no one it's not in any like. traditional archaeology books. It's not. is it? >> Yeah. Yeah. No, it So, the labyrinth is. kind of this is the other part that draw. that drew me to it. Uh, is that it isn't. something that's coming out of left. field, right? It's it's not like this, oh, no one ever heard of this before. It. it's literally a structure that was. written about extensively over hundreds. of years in antiquity by authors like. Heroditus, Diodor Siculus, Plenny the.

Elder, Strao, Pelonius Mela. Like. there's there's all of these these. writers of antiquity and you're talking. about time frames from like 500 BC up to. the first century AD. >> had visited it and they they'd written. about it and talked about it and they. gave it this legend. >> being like guys like Herodotus said that. it surpasses the pyramids in grandeur. And then you have Yeah. So this is the. this is from Heroditus' histories in the. fifth century BC. And he says, "For this. I saw myself and I found it greater than. words can say. For if one should put.

together and reckon up all the buildings. and all of the great works produced by. the Helenis, the Greeks, >> they would prove to be inferior in labor. and expense to this labyrinth." So he's. he's saying that all of the temples of. the Greeks of ancient Greece, you've. been there, you've seen the Acropolis, and just if you added them all up, the. labor to produce them would be inferior. in what it would take to just make this. one thing in Egypt, the labyrinth. >> That is underground. >> That's underground, right? >> How do conventional archaeologists. approach this? Do they discuss this at.

all? >> Yeah, so they do. It's it's been disc. based. So you had they always we always. kind of knew where it was. So you know. you have the the classical authors of. antiquity which coincides with what you. might call the tomic period of ancient. Egypt. It's a transition from. like dynastic Egypt into becoming. essentially a Roman province like an. imperial province of Rome and that runs. you up to about you know 4 500 AD and. then sort of you know civilization has. we have the dark ages sort of have Roman.

Empire collapses and it's not until. again you get to the Renaissance and you. have u artists and other authors are. looking at these historical accounts and. they're talking about it they're drawing. it some of the depictions you see from. the labyrinth are in that and then again. not until the emergence of what I call. modern archaeology in the 18th century. So guys like Carl Lepsius in the 1700s. started to look at these accounts and go. and and survey the place where they said. it was. So it you know Heroditus and. these authors I I selected the quotes.

here to just there's a lot more that. they say about it. What but one of the. things they talk about is they kind of. give descriptions of where it is. They. say it's near what was called Lake Moira. and um and it's near the what uh a city. that was the the temple of the. crocodiles. crocodilopoulos or or. ancient arseno is the other name for it. and we know where that is and lake Moira. sort of somewhat still exists it's much. smaller now but it's in this region. called the fume of Egypt so if you ever. look at Egypt on a map you can imagine. it's desert and you have from north to. south you have this green line of the.

Nile traces it down but on the left side. you look at there's this leafshaped. depression that's all green it's called. a fume it's a depression which used to. flood with the Nile today they use it. for agriculture and it's right at that. neck of the fume where it connects up to. the Nile Valley and he also described. it. They also described the pyramid. that's at the site because there is the. pyramid of A&M III on that site. So they. give us all these descriptors and. everyone kind of agreed. Yeah. So it's. at this place called Hara where I've. been to several times. There's still a.

pyramid there and there's these great. fields of sand and and and like little. open air libraries with chunks of stone. And what happened was so Carl Lepsius. went there and he said, "Well, I've. discovered the ruins of like a Roman. town that's built on the surface. There's nothing crazy about it. Flenders. Petri was the guy who kind of got the. closest. Now, Petri went there in the. late 1800s and early 1900s and he was. excavating. He dug down. seven or eight. He got down and he found. this massive stone slab of of bettin or.

plaster that was huge like a thousand ft. long. Like it was as he sort of traced. the edges of it and he's like I'm. standing on the foundation of the. labyrinth. So what he said he's like. it's all gone. like it's basically Petri. said it's been quarried this place has. been a source of stone for literally. millennia so it's gone so pretty much. everyone since then in archaeology. Egyptology is like and if you look on. Wikipedia they'll tell you oh it's it's. gone it's was destroyed was quarried. away Petri says you know I'm standing on.

the the foundation of it the bottom. layer and that's it it's there's nothing. here and so that's always been kind of. the position of orthodox Egyptology look. in the textbooks that's where it is but. that's all changed because there's been. a whole bunch of different now. scientific expeditions there. This is. where it gets into some intrigue because. the the the Matahar expedition, the Kora. University expedition, I mean these. these happened, their results have come. out since, but they were covered up at. the time. They were suppressed. So the. first guy to. >> What year was this? >> 2008 was the Matahar expedition.

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Dordier who was he's a Belgian artist. and entrepreneur who who funded and. drove the Matahar expedition. He did it. in conjunction with the Supreme Council. of Antiquities which at the time was. helmed by Zahi Has also with the [ __ ]. which is the uh National Research. Institute for like um like basically. subsurface studies. So that's those guys. dragging that box around. So they used a. whole bunch of different techniques to. look at these areas around that pyramid. at the site of Hara. Things like ground. penetrating radar, geomagnetism, very.

low frequency, like seismic tomography, electrical resistivity duty tomography. There's there's a bunch of different. techniques that are wellestablished. known science. This isn't like the cuff. race where it's like you can debate the. the merits of the technology. This is. established technology and they found. the labyrinth. So, and what he found was. is that Yes. So, what Lepsia said about. the ruins of a Roman or Greek or Persian. town with mud bricks and stuff, yep, that's there in the first few meters. You go down, then you hit the water. table. So, that's the other issue on.

this site is the water table. So, the. water's at like 5 m below the surface. and under that is the slab that Petri. found. So, like 6 7 m is is at that that. huge slab that that Petri found that he. thought was the foundation. And then. below that, Petri didn't dig deep. enough. Below that, we can find. essentially a labyrinthian structure of. granite and very very dense rocks uh and. walls and and um like a maze-like. structure that's that has walls that are. meters thick. There's another great.

slide in there that's that's the green. and it's the actual VLF. That's it. there. So yeah, so this is at 8 m with. VLF sounding. So you can see like this. labyrinthian structure of these walls. and all of these lines and walls. So. these are like granite and the scale of. this it's 100 m vertically by 150 m. >> 100 m tall. >> Well, no. So vertically? No. No. So the. the the y-axis I guess of this. So we're. looking down in the ground here. But you. got to look at the scale like across the. top. That's 150 m, right? So I mean what.

450 ft? So these are big walls. Big. chambers and big walls. >> For people at home, it's like a football. field. >> Yeah. It's a football field. Well, it's. more. I mean. >> more 100 meters. In Australia, it's my. 100 meters as the football pool thing. I. don't know how big. >> 100 yards. What is the difference. between 100 yards and 100 meters? >> It's 100 yards is a little less. >> Little less. So 150 m and and this is. only a section of the labyrinth. They. they scan two sections. Uh the labyrinth. itself is said to be much much larger.

than this. They So they found. >> much larger than that. >> Oh, that's huge. Yeah. No, it's it's. it's. >> overall structure like how. >> it's like a thousand feet at least. >> Wow. like like three three four five. times that size. I mean you have to go. back to the we we have some better. indication with the more modern space. base scans now but when they did those. the geoysical like the the ground. penetrating radar scan so they scanned. two areas that was the bigger one like. in front of the pyramid then they did. another one on the other side of the. canal that runs through the site today.

and they found they found it on both. sides. So that's the difference between. like what we say about the lab like what. the textbooks will tell you about the. labyrinth it not being there and it it. being destroyed to no we've actually now. there's been the Matahar expedition. confirmed it was there. and they so what happened this was. interesting and I I have I have I think. reasoning for why this happened but it. was covered up and these are the words. like Lewis Dordier. he eventually got sick of waiting cuz.

what happens in Egypt anything you do. whether it's you're you're an academic. institution or you're an individual or a. group that's funding some sort of. expedition you work with the Council of. Antiquities today it's the um Ministry. of Tourism and Antiquities but they. essentially you know you got to it takes. years to get ex access and then once you. do though they control release of. information so that's always part of the. deal right it's that Egypt gets to do. the announcing and if and when they. choose. >> and they have dismissed things in the. past that they then accepted later.

>> yeah a great example is the honestly the. the scan pyramids project. So when so. they got ahead of themselves a little. bit. This is the the muon detection the. cosmic ray detection stuff. They've been. running that experiment for years at at. Gizer in the great pyramid. They put the. and every time I go in there there's. always different sets of equipment at. different places on it. But these muon. detectors they they have them under the. ground and in the grand gallery and it. just takes years to collect data. Occasionally these cosmic particles, they'll pick one up and it's you're able. to detect voids or they have it. They.

can somehow tell the difference between. it it traveling through solid matter. versus a void. Takes years to build up a. a resolute picture. But once they did, they said, "Oh, okay. So, we've. discovered that big void in the. pyramid." But they'd also discovered the. small void at the at the main entrance. If you if you look up at it today, there's those chevron blocks like above. you you go in down here at the Elma. Moon's tunnel, but at the top where the. descending passage actually exits the. pyramid, the original entrance, there's. these big chevron blocks and behind.

that's that chamber. So you remember a. few years ago they made a big fuss, but. an as an example like when the when the. scan pyramids guys on their own. initiative announced that we've made. these discoveries, I mean Zahi basically. came out and said this is [ __ ] This. doesn't exist. There's nothing there. And if there is something there, we knew. about it already, you know, and and and you go on a couple years and. when now it's time to do the press. releases and to roll out um you know, the footage and he's who's standing at. the at the podium making the.

announcement and showing the Zahi's. doing it like. >> you have to. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Fascinating situation over there with. him. Uh, yes. I I I did a video I just. released it a few days ago that got into. some even more intrigue about stuff. that's happened at Giza in the in the in. the at the Giza plateau in the 1990s, which we can we can get into that too. But so yeah, what happened with the. Matahar expedition and the labyrinth was. that 2008 and n they finished their um. their on-site work. They're ready to. release the data. They they put on a. very small public lecture at Gent.

University in Belgium. No one really. attended it. And then they got told to. stop. And again in the words of Louis. Dordier because he waited like two or. three years and then he put this out. there. He said that he was told to cease. any and all discussion or release of. information from the Matahar project and. him and his team members were threatened. with national security sanctions. >> O. >> from Egypt which means that you know I. think at the low level like if you come. to Egypt we'll arrest you and if not. when maybe we'll come and get you. I. don't know. This is national security. sanctions. Isn't there a way to sort of.

massage that situation and to talk to. Zahi and say, "Listen, you can be the. guy who found this.". >> Oh, that would have been the K. I think. that was a given if if it had been. released. I actually think in the C. So, it's funny. I I I kind of don't really. blame him. So, I think this was a. political uh decision, not a not so. people say, "Oh, it's hiding the truth. and whatever." Yeah, okay. That that's. happening. There's new data. It's an. amazing amazing find that that could. change the world. In my opinion,

honestly, the labyrinth is the biggest. archaeological discovery of the. millennium. When we get into what that. structure is and how big it is and the. way it's reported in antiquity, there's. nothing bigger than like Heroditus says. it surpasses the pyramids. like it's. like finding more giz like a Giza. plateau somewhere like. >> under the ground. >> under the ground like you can't I just. think it would be the biggest discovery. of the millennium which is part of the. problem because I think unfortunately in. Egypt and this is just my um intuition. and my sort of read of the situation. what's happened is that the the reality.

is is the groundwater level is rising. right so it's it's kind of attacking. that part of the site at least the the. higher levels of the labyrinth for sure. are suffering in this salty ground water. right it is going to slowly erode. because that ground water's come way up. We know it's come way up because. Flender's Petri back in the you know. late 18th early 19th century actually. got in to under the pyramid and you. can't today if you go to that pyramid. you there is a a passage you can go down. you go down a few steps and just throw a. pebble it's just water and debris and. mud and. >> so this water table it has risen slowly.

over. >> no since the 1960s since they built the. dam. >> so it's the high dam so what happened. it's this is the problem right so you've. got all these factors. It's where it is. So it's Hawai the neck. to the foam. Now Egypt I love Egypt. I. go to Egypt couple times a year every. year and fantastic place but they are. one of like they're food poor in terms. of like they're the net biggest importer. of wheat. They need all the agriculture. they can get. The volume is a huge. agricultural area. There's a huge. irrigation canal called the Bwabi canal.

that's been cut in there in like the. 1840s. Same guy who built the Suez Canal. made it um cuts it in there. So you've. got this situation of like, all right, we've got all this agriculture. happening. We've got farmers water. rights messing with this and it's and. it's happens to be running through this. ancient site that could be the biggest. discovery of our time and it's happening. because we built a dam on the Nile and. and what happened with the the high dam. in the '60s like there's a low dam the. British built in like 1901 1902 then.

then they actually partnered with the. Soviet Union to build this high dam. That's actually still a monument to. Egyptian Soviet Union friendship at the. dam. It's pretty cool. Um, but when they. built that high dam, it essentially. stops that yearly cycle of inundation at. the Nile. So, everyone, you know, we. always talk about the Nile flooding, right? Every year that rains in Africa. in the south, you get this huge flood. that comes up the Nile and it it it. floods out and you get this deposit of. of of, you know, black mud and and real. fertile ground. And they would use that.

to farm. They built the dam. it you get. rid of that yearly cycle, right? And. what happens people, it seems. counterintuitive because people like, well, it's less water in the NL. No, what what the dam did was eliminate the. 9month dry season. So, you had the. 3-month wet season, but then you've you. don't have that uh 9-month dry season. now. So, you have essentially more water. for more time in the Nile, which is. which is having this effect of rising. the water table. So. you combine that with the size of Hara.

and the the project the scope of the. project to try and remediate and save or. excavate start working at the labyrinth. I mean you're talking like millions and. millions. It's would it's not an easy. problem to solve on an area that size to. try and get the water out, divert the. farmer's water, deal with all of those. problems, you know, and then so what I. think the option Zahu might have been. left with here is like, well, it's. either going to cost us an absolute bomb. to to try and do this for like we don't. know what sort of gain. It would. probably be a decade before that place.

is suitable for tourism. It's there's. not much to see there even now. or we basically say we've discovered it. but we're not going to do anything about. it cuz it's too expensive and you're. going to face a lot of international. criticism for that. So I think that that. the the decision was likely made in my. opinion complete speculation that it's. just easier to brush this under the. table. This never happened. We never. discovered this. This doesn't exist. Let's just go on selling tickets on the. Giza Plateau and pumping water out to. the Fen for agriculture. >> God, how shortsighted. Now, when you.

were saying millions, were you just. going to say dollars or were you going. to say gallons of water? >> No dollars. I mean, I think the project, the remediation project at Har would not. be a it's not a simple thing. In fact, they they did do there was another. expedition. after the Matahar expedition in like. this was 2009. uh K University along. with a Polish university went out there. to try and figure out what is the deal. with the groundwater where's it coming. from you like what direction and they. were doing they were doing geological. test pits and all these ball holes to.

figure out the water situation. um according to them that that. information was also covered up because. they also did ground penetrating radar. surveys also confirmed the labyrinth the. guy who was in charge of that in Cory. University was actually put in jail by. they again this is on their report when. the information finally came out in. 2017. He lost a job obviously as part of. it. So they covered that up too. But. they had they had tried. >> put him in jail for what? >> For I guess for working on the site like. I don't know. I I don't know the reason. It's it's on their report though. That's.

what they say. >> is that he was jailed because he. allegedly halted the project and then. put the guy in jail. This is what they. say on their on on the report from that. uh expeditial that that that work which. came out like a a decade after they'. done it. And I dig it up on the. internet. I'm like, well, this is. interesting because their results are. interesting. But they even after their. work, their conclusion was, well, the. water's a very complicated problem. It's. coming from a couple different. directions. Northeast is the shallowest.

Like it's coming in from this way, but. it's also coming from another direction. They'd have to dig a lot more test holes. in a wider area to really figure it out. And I think you'd have to start digging. like remediation wells, put in pumps and. just try and pump that down if not canal. and trench that whole thing out like a. massive site. And then you can start to. worry about all right, we're going to. get some dirt out and start to excavate. >> Could it be done without interrupting. the farmers? >> Probably. Yeah. I mean, it's I think. it's I think we could do it. I I I think. that you can divert and move the the.

Barabi Canal out of the way if you had. to. I just think. >> someone needs to like holler at Jeff. Bezos or someone Yeah. someone with some. deep pockets like don't you want to. know? >> Don't you want to know? I want to know. >> Yeah. >> Well, the crazy thing is too is is that. according to the because the story. doesn't end there like when you get into. the modern space-based scans Melon. Burrows and the geocan stuff and I know. that also I've met the the guys from the. cuffer project they are going to scan. that site. We talked to them about it uh. recently at Cosmic Summit and then uh I.

I think you know the lower what they're. saying so far is that the lower levels. like because this thing goes down like I. said to nearly 100 meters there's. there's reported like levels down to 300. ft under the ground and and it seems. like they might be free of water. So. it's just it's just like shallow ground. water and once you get into the bedrock. and it's and it's like it's like a not a. porous stone or whatever's underneath. just the the top level sediment it it. seems like it he you know Tim Akres said. it looks like it's free of water. So the.

very bottom layers uh seem to be free of. it. So. >> so the the actual labyrinth very bottom. layers. >> the labyrinth is multiple levels at. least. So, >> is it possible that they could somehow. or another from the side dig a tunnel. below everything below the water? >> Yeah, you'd have to dig a deep tunnel. You could I mean, that's also an option. is to try and if you if you actually. believe and you go with these scans, you. know where that atrium is, we could. probably try and get down there and just. line a tunnel somehow get down. That. would be epic if we did that in our.

lifetime. I I would love to see it. Like, it' be incredible. >> Seems like a terrible travesty if they. don't. >> I agree. which is the reason I made that. video in the first place. I wanted to. draw attention to the labyrinth because. it's just I think it is like the the. biggest opportunity for us if in terms. of massive discoveries in the ancient. world. I can't think of anything that's. bigger than I know the cuff scan stuff. is super interesting that the claims are. wild and it's but this is like known. about like this has been talked about. and then it's been confirmed with.

multiple scans. You had you had Matahar. expedition, you had Coro University and. I think it was Walk Roclaw I'm. butchering that the Polish um university. or then you had geoscan team which was. Klaus donor a friend of his who runs. this German geocan um space-based. satellite thing. It's like a. mathematical statistical approach. They. kind of use it to determine the. elemental composition of stars is the. best explanation I have. However, they. have a track record of being able to.

find things like water and oil and gold. under the ground. So, they've been using. that as a company for like people to go. basically survey and then go dig. And. they've done three or four of these and. they okay, this is where you said it. was. They scanned the labyrinth. They. were the first space-based scan to come. out and talk about it. Then you had. Merlin Burrows, which is this exUK. military technology that's very similar. in technique to the cuffray scan guys. Like so they use synthetic aperture. radar Doppler tomography. These guys are. using like high frequency orbital.

imaging with seismic data. So it's it's. very similar in the way they're in. you're essentially the description I I. was told is it's like imagine dropping. pebbles into a container of water and if. you could instantly freeze that. container and lift it out and shine a. light from underneath it. When you look. at it on the top you can you can see. those ripples in three dimensions but. you're looking at on a 2D scan kind of. thing. and you can interpret them to. show you the topography of whatever's in. that three-dimensional space. It's.

something similar to that. So, >> it's a technology [ __ ] awesome, >> dude. It is. >> It's so awesome. >> It's wild. >> It's so awesome that they just have the. ability to do that. And look at that. Be. beyond the capray stuff, which, you. know, I I don't want to get. disappointed. So, I I I I look at that. like hm like it's too great, it's too. amazing, it's too spectacular. >> It's a huge claim. Yeah. >> And if it's true, oh boy, does that. change everything about everything. >> I I mean I'm in the camp of want to. believe, trust me. I mean,

>> I'm sure you are, >> but I'm not. But I don't I mean I'm I. was skeptical initially when it came. out. I've talked I've since I've since. certainly come around on the techn on. the promise of the technology. >> I my my skepticism probably still exists. in in the the layer between the scans as. I've seen them and then the. interpretations of the results, >> the 3D. Exactly. >> Yeah. the the what their interpretations. of it are a little weird cuz like you. don't really have a crystal clear view. of what this thing is. >> Yeah. You're making it look like it's.

some sort of a Tesla coil or whatever it. is like. >> giant cubes with these four tunnels. Yeah. I look it we'll see and and I want. to get into like the Osiris shaft. because that's another thing that I just. recently put a video out about these. other scans that have happened in the. '90s confirming that have since kind of. been confirmed by the cuff scan team. work. But yeah, at the labyrinth at. least the interesting thing to me that. happened with these two wildly different. techniques, right? So you have you have. the geocan which is this statistical.

mathematical approach space-based still. but then you have and the mer borrows. which is a similar technique to the. cuffray scan group and it was used I. mean just so this is what Tim acres. would tell you it was used to detect. submarines they would look at like. surface patterns on the water and they. were using it to basically track. submarines under the water so it's it's. that's its origins at least in the. military as far as I know. >> it's like the non-classified part of it. is what he said at least reported to. have said I should say there ancient. artistic depictions. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean not ancient but.

certainly Renaissance. uh periods and it it's it's it's I think. some of it symbolic but we do get a lot. of descriptions from those authors. So. for example, Heroditus. talks about it being you know 1500 rooms. on one level a total of he said there's. two levels. He saw one level he wasn't. allowed to go to the lower level. He. said that there's 3,000 rooms in total. and not just rooms but also courts. massive open courts. Uh these are like. >> Herododus didn't have access.

>> not to the bottom level according to. him. >> Interesting. >> But Deiodora Siculus did like that these. guys talk about like Siculus said that. you needed a guide. You would get lost. down there for days if you didn't have a. guide who knew his way around. And then. you have same you have the same similar. accounts from Plenny the Elder and and. again these these once you I think once. you get um accounts coming from multiple. people over the span of centuries that. are from different civilizations both. Roman and Greek and they're they're. correlating. It's like this is pretty. reliable data at this point in in. certainly in in history or in.

archaeology. That's what that's your. measure for like all right there's a. grain of truth in this given that we've. got the same thing coming from these. different accounts that are essentially. different civilizations that visited the. same place and what they say is. astonishing. It's but all of them talk. about there being hund if hundreds if. not thousands of rooms and twisting. chambers and then also giant open courts. with that might have 40 columns to a. side um and all of it being done with. just spectacular craftsmanship. Yeah, this is the so dearodoraiculus 1st.

century BC. uh talking about that you know the in. respect of carving and other works of. craftsmanship they left no room for. their successes to surpass them. He's. saying that there is this is phenomenal. work and in this sacred enclosure one. found a temple surrounded by columns 40. to each side and this roof had a this. building had a roof made of a single. stone carved with panels and richly. adorned with excellent paintings. So 40. to aside that's 80. >> And how was this even lit?

>> Well, that's always a good question. That's a that's a core question when you. get into any of these subterranean. spaces like the cerapum. It's always. there's no s like. >> right. >> We don't know how that the answer is we. don't know. It wasn't with flame. Like I. don't think it was with flame. And then. >> go back to Strao's depictions. In. addition to these things there is the. edifice of the labyrinth which is a. building quite equal to the pyramids. a. great palace made of many palaces. For. such is the number of how's it word? What's the word? >> Parestile. >> Parestile courts which lie contiguous.

with one another. Before the entrances. there lie what might be called hidden. chambers which are long and many in. number and have paths running through. one another which twist and turn so that. no one can enter or leave any court. without a guide. >> Yeah. So he you had Siculus' account of. one of those courts being 80 columns. like 42 aside and there was 12 of them. at least 12 of them in there. >> Wow. >> Yeah. It's absolutely crazy. So you.

have, you know, 3,000 rooms, 12 gigantic. courts. Diodoris talks about the the. roof being made of a single stone. I. very much doubt that, but what I think. he's describing is the craftsmanship. that you see in those real megalithic. buildings in Egypt where you can't see. the joints. And here uh Ply the Elder. who lived uh between 23 and 79 CE which. is current time. >> So he's saying 3,600. years ago this was constructed according. to tradition. >> Isn't that interesting? Yeah.

>> So that predates the pyramids. >> Yeah. By a long way. Yeah. He's. >> allegedly. >> Allegedly. Right. Well, if you go with. the orthodox date of the pyramid, sure, it's. >> he says that, you know, so essentially. 3,600 BC that it was built according to. the tradition at the time 3,600 years. >> So with the conventional dating of the. pyramids, that's more than a thousand. years earlier. >> About 1,000 years. Yeah. A little little. less maybe. >> And the conventional dating is like. >> it's questionable. I mean, even the. carbon dating on the pyramids doesn't. quite match the conventional dating.

It's a little earlier than that. So it's. like. >> what is the carbon dating from pieces in. >> So they got Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. some. mortar um in the carbon dating. >> What with the date? So it's I believe. it's it's like a wide range but it's. it's it's like several hundred years. like 200 years prior to what they would. say is the the time of of Kufu of Chops. the the the ruler in the fourth dynasty. certainly on the Great Pyramid at least. >> And what is the room for error when they. do carbon dating? Well, it's depends on. the samples and there's a lot of.

specifics, but it could be plus minus. 20, 30, 50, 100 years. It depends. I. think this the margin of error they did. multiple samples. I believe it's it's. less than that. So, they're pretty firm. that the date is earlier. So, it gets. this is um it's kind of a crit. I mean, I think there's a bunch of people that. have talked about the fact that the. archaeologists don't really reference. that date because it kind of messes up. their timeline a little bit. Of course, it's not thousands of years, it's. hundreds of years. So the the. explanation tends to be well it was old. wood. It's like the ash that gets mixed. into the mortar as the source for the.

carbon and they're saying well maybe. they just burnt really old trees. >> That's very convenient, >> right? It becomes convenient. Yeah. >> Well, all of it's convenient which is. which gets really weird because we know. that they did some enhancements to the. pyramid like they refurbished some. things. Exactly. >> And so that's the problem is like you. refurbished what and how long was it. there before you refurbished it? >> Indeed. I I look I think I don't I'm not. I don't discount the carbon dating. I I.

think what you can say from the carbon. dating firmly is that the that it it. shows that these pyramids were being. worked on. If you can't I don't think. you can make the jump to say this is. when they were built. You have to you. have to infer and say I think this is. when they were they were was certainly. being worked on in that period. So I. think it's possible that donastic. Egyptians could have finished the. pyramids. They may not have been. entirely pyramids originally. I think. there's I think there's a strong chance. that there were multiple phases of. construction over a long time to to for.

them to end up being what they are in. our time. Uh I think those are all. possibilities here because it just the. this is the whole when you you take a. step back and look at the whole picture. of ancient Egypt. I mean just you you. cannot attribute everything that we see. in ancient Egypt to our current. understanding of those dynastic. Egyptians, their capabilities, their. tools, their writings, and what we know. about them. We know an awful lot like. they do. We we have tools from the. ancient Egyptian toolbox. We found them.

We have depictions shown on walls of how. they did things. They were very good. about documenting them. So we we have. the tools. We have the depictions. We. also have lots and lots of artifacts. that match those tools and depictions. Right? We've got these what are clearly. handmade artifacts and and this is. across all the categories of artifacts. from things like stonework columns. obelisks obelisks um oh sorry yeah. obelisks and vases boxes pyramids even. and then you have this other category of. artifacts that is doesn't match and.

can't be explained by these tools and. techniques and there's there's just no. there's no depictions on walls of how. they made the precision artifacts. there's no. >> can you give me an example of these pre. precision artifacts Of course. Yeah. And. any category. Um I have it in that Tale. of Two Industries directory, Jamie, on. there. It's um. >> Game On. Week one starts now and every. touchdown brings you closer to a payout. with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official. sports betting partner of the NFL. Every. touchdown could hit big. Don't just.

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>> Yeah. So this is these these to me I. mean this is why the vase um project was. so. I mean to me quite validating when it. came up. >> wheel thing. >> Yeah. The shist disc. Um. >> yeah. >> So these are the smoking gun because. they connect to everything else and. we're learning so much about the. precision of these things. However, but. we could start with statues or boxes or. you know columns. It doesn't really. matter. There there there are two. categories across all of these. artifacts. and the advanced category.

again. So you can't really make them. with the tools that the ancient. Egyptians were just were we know they. were using that we found. They don't. show the there's no scenes of building. stone pyramids. There's no scenes of. them making giant statues like thousand. ton statues. This is the type of thing. that you see on the wall. And this is in. the tomb of the nobles up in um the West. Bank at Luxaw. And here they're building. mud bricks. So they're firing mud bricks. over the fire. They're you can see them. They're pouring them. They're shaping. them. They're carrying them. It's all. very relatively primitive. And we know.

they made mud brick pyramids. They made. mud brick ramps. And some of the mud. bricks were big and heavy. We know all. about this. What you don't see is the is. the uh is the is the the the stone. pyramid building, the really massive. megalith stuff. The next the next slide. with the the vases is a good example. This is what I've been calling the tale. of two industries. It's a whole theory. that I've been putting together for the. last few years. Again, you have a. primitive industry that is clearly. observably handmade. It lacks precision. and symmetry. We found the tools. The.

Egyptians drew the scenes. The artifacts. matched the tools and techniques. And. then you have this advanced industry, visibly sophisticated, usually very hard. stone is the other characteristic. The. the primitive stuff is usually softer. stone, although not always. It the these artifacts as we're doing. analysis on them are showing this depth. of precision and complexity that's. phenomenal. The vases are just this is. where they become a smoking gun to this. whole argument. I think. >> can you for people that don't know about. this stuff can you just give them some. numbers on what. >> Sure. So yeah the the vases go back to.

pre-dynastic times. It's it's it's. there's no debate that these are pretty. dynastic. They predate what we would. call the donastic civilization and over. the last few years they've we've been. starting to analyze them. We the vase. scan team various groups of people now. have been scanning these with modern. technology LAR scanning um like laser. scanning even CT X-ray scanning. And. basically they're coming back with. precision in terms of circularity, flatness, like centering.

um numbers that are are very much equate. to some of the best industrial processes. that we do today in things like. aerospace industry. So where it's really. important to be within two or three or 4. thousandth thousandth of an inch of. perfection for the parts we make for jet. engines or rocket engines. Those are the. numbers that we're seeing come back on a. lot of these vessels. Not all of them. Again, like I don't want to say this is. true for all of them. It's not. It's. true for a lot of them though. And this. is again this these are levels of. precision that are not visible to the.

naked eye. I mean you're talking human. hair like a sheet of printer paper is. like 6 or 7 thousand of an inch thick. A. human hair is two to three or 4. thousands thick and you're seeing. sometimes tolerances even lower than. that. So you it's not something you can. feel or see or touch. But we see it. again and again and the only way we can. achieve those sort of tolerances today. is with very advanced machines. uh you know 3D axis mills um you know. really high precision lathes CAD like. computer controlled equipment.

>> problem with the lathe though is the. handles on this. >> right so yeah if you get into it so this. is this is the issue with this and and. one of the craziest things about and. this is the OG vase the original granite. vase um this is the one that started it. all it's one of the more precise ones. and yeah you could you can imagine. without the handles. You could lathe it. if you're spinning it, but if you if you. had the handles, if you wanted these. handles, you would have to leave a. bullnose that runs all the way around it. and then come back with a different. process, a different tool to remove that. space that this this basically the space.

between the handles off the body. >> and you don't see a lack of symmetry in. those spaces. >> Well, precision. So, this is this is the. thing. So, when we do that today, it's. called you basically lose some. positional calibration on your tool. So. we account for that in the way we do. industrial design of these sorts of. parts. So we know that we're going to. lose a little bit of precision when we. change tools and process. >> Right? So we account for that. But you. don't see that on this when we did I. went back and we we did analysis of this. area of the vase body in between the.

handles and there's no drop in precision. relative to the rest of the vessel. So. that means one of two things. One option. is okay, they could they could handle. that positional that lack of that loss. of positional calibration better than we. can or it wasn't done on a lathe and it. was done in what you would call a single. pass with a single tool. And the only. way you can do that is on a is is with a. tool with five axes of freedom. So now. you're talking about a five axis CNC. mill like one of those.

>> computer controlled things that. >> can just cut it out in basically one. pass but without changing tools and. process. >> with incredibly hard stone. And that's. the other challenge with this stuff. And. there's some samples of the stone there. in front of you from vessels. >> Actual stone. >> These are actual pieces from vessels. Yeah, they got a from a private. collector. Um, you. >> just got to think like who made this and. how old is this? How old is. >> this piece? At least 5 6 thousand years. I think I think it potentially quite. older and we can get into how old I.

think. But so that's the other challenge. that is rarely talked about is the. material. Like we we these things are. made from granite diorite. Rock crystal. That thing's rock crystal. Basically. quartz. Um. >> feels so hard. >> It's insanely hard. >> Yeah. All these different Oh, yeah. It's. It's. >> Yeah. It's It's like I have a granite um. mortar and pestle at home. You this big. heavy thing. It's like I don't need to. protect it from anything. I have to. protect my counters from it cuz if I. just It's going to destroy anything it. hits.

>> And this is so thin. >> So that's Yes. So this is that's the. other It's translucent. And you hold a. light up to it. >> Even the rock crystal one's translucent. >> Wow. >> So that one gets down to about 2 mm. thickness just under the lip. >> Oh wow. >> Yeah. You put a phone light on it. It's. you see it comes right through it. And. uh I mean so with granite and with. diorite and particularly granite, I mean. it's essentially a conglomerate, right? So you have it's it's not a material. that's homogeneous. So inside of granite, you've got silica. and horn blend and micer and all these.

different quartz and you know, >> hence the pattern. Hence the pattern, but also almost microscopically it. changes hardness. You know what I mean? So, so some of that stuff is less hard. than other bits and it's the way granite. takes millions of years and heat and. pressure to bond those things together. atomically. And that's the stone we get. when it pops up out on the bedrock and. we we mine it. But it's it just means. that when you're machining a material. like granite, it you know, your tool tip. is going from stuff that's really hard. to softer to hard and it's like you have. to account for that. Yet we see this,

you feel the surface of it. It's. phenomenally well polished and finished. I mean, if you were doing this today. with a lot of modern tool tips, you'd be. ripping chunks of quartz out rather than. than cutting them. So, something that. the actual tool tip that made these. things, we know, is also very refined. because this is a very difficult. substance to choose to work in. No stone. sculptor chooses to work in granite. unless that what the project calls for. There's a reason they use marble is that. it's it's both much softer and it's. homogeneous. Like, it's the same. material. It doesn't vary in hardness.

wildly. So, making these sort of. precision things and and objects out of. stuff like granite and getting it down. to 2 mm thick like that other piece near. the lip. >> Yeah. >> Uh it's crazy. >> And it's there's even examples that get. even thinner than that. Flenders Petri. talked about um a diorite vessel that. was 140th of an inch thick. About he he. called it the thickness of stout playing. card. Yeah. This is it here. >> Wow. Look at the light going through it. >> That's that's about 2 mm thick. That. one's one of Matt Bell's vases. It's.

probably my favorite. It's like. typically called the thin walt vase, but. it's a phenomenal piece. I'm amazed it's. actually survived this long cuz it is. that's one of the rare few delicate. ones. Um you could break that because. it's so thin because that again with. this type of stone, it gets really. brittle and it's like glass, like a cube. of glass. Bang that on anything. Thin. glass shatters. >> Same as this stone. Yet they did this. again and again and again and again. >> How do we know that this is. pre-dynastic? >> Well, from where they're found. I mean, they're literally found in pre-donastic.

burials. This is the this is the real. This is why the vases are so important. to me. It it's and why I think they're. the smoking gun. It's one of the big. reasons is that. they they they're uncontrovertably or. incontrovertibly pre-dynastic because. they've been found in burials that are. 100% pre-dynastic. Nata culture, Nata 2, you can go to any museum that has a. reasonable collection of these and find. them in the pre-dynastic section all. over the there's no debate. like they're. found in these burials and they carbon. date the burials or they culture date.

them or reference date them to periods. of thousands of years prior to the. donastic Egyptian civilization. There's. there's good evidence that they may even. stretch back as far as 12 to 14,000 BC. that they're in burials that go back. that far in like the. >> like southern Egypt, northern Sudan. area. >> Yeah, it's crazy. And it's um a lot of. those burials unfortunately today are. underwater because of the dam that. created like NASA. But either way, I. don't people will debate the how far. back they go. It's just not.

controversial at all to say that they. are pre-dynastic 100%. And I think the. reason is is that the size, right? >> You can bury this with you. If you have. it, then you can be buried with it. >> You can't do that with a thousand ton. statue, >> right? it stays on the site and then. maybe someone down the road writes his. name on it like Ramsy's II or somebody. put carves his name into it and then we. come along thousands of year later and. say oh Ramsey I's names on that. therefore he must have had it made I. mean that's essentially like the one of.

the core principles of Egyptolo they. they do use. >> the writing primarily as a source not. the only source but they do and the. vases what's the problem with even. dating them to those pre-dynastic. settlements is that there There is. nothing about those cultures that. indicates they had this capability. Nata. culture and even the ones like Toshka, these older ones pretty similar in that. you're talking like the burials are. often like shallow fetal position graves. that you find these precision hard stone.

objects with fishbone combs, sticks and. stones. Very primitive handthrown. pottery. Not even thrown, just. handformed pottery. No other stonework. Um, you know, I've. seen antiques dealers that that that are. selling these vases cuz there is a huge. there's a lot of these in the in the. private market and in uh in private. possession because of their size and. their availability and there's how many. there were cuz there's like. >> Are they illegal to possess? >> No. >> So you could get a hold of one of those. legally?

>> Yeah, there's I know collectors with. like 80 90 of them 100 of them. >> What? >> Oh yeah. >> Really? >> Yeah. They're on they're on they come up. >> many of them available. There's I would. say today there's um easily over 100,000. hardstone vessels for sure. I mean they. found 50,000 of them in one spot. Like. that's the famous discovery at the step. pyramid. But yeah, it's crazy. There's a. lot. I think there were even more. Like. this was an ind industry. Like that's. the other key. And and a lot of these. are semi-exotic types of stone too. We. don't know where the stone came from. It's. >> it's not local.

>> in a lot of cases. No. We like there's. lapis there's lapis lazuli artifacts. that are pre-dynastic and there's no. known quarry for lapis in Egypt. The. closest one's Afghanistan. >> What? >> Right. Yeah. Well, there's. >> How far is Afghanistan from Egypt? >> I don't I mean must be it's right over. on the other side of the Middle East, I. think, isn't it? It's over towards Yeah, it's up towards Russia and China. It's. um. >> Show that image again, Jamie. >> Yeah, >> that you just pulled up. >> Yeah, there's the map. >> So, well, there's the Fume. is Egypt,

>> Afghanistan. >> So Turkey, Afghanistan, over here, Afghan over here, like on the other side. of Saudi Arabia and Iran. >> So you've got to go all the way from. Iran. >> Oh my god. >> So that's the nearest lapis quarry. I. mean, look, there's a this this is not a. problem restricted to the vases either. There's a box in the Osiris shaft, which. is more the box itself just they say. it's Watt's fourth dynasty. It's made. from a stone called Dite. And again, there's no known quarry in Egypt for. dite. This happens a lot. So it's also. >> Go back to that image, Jamie, please. on. the map. >> Yeah, there there's one of the things.

that freaks me out about the map is when. you go out, it looks like it was washed. over. >> Oh, 100%. Yeah, >> 100%. >> I've talked a lot with Randall about. this. >> Look at that. Like, go back out again. Look at that below it. >> Yeah, the Sahara. >> That's exactly what it looks like. It. looks washed out. >> It is. That's what it is. >> Yeah, but that's crazy. It is. >> like how much water wash that out? I. mean, and how else would you get what. looks exactly like a water wash out? How. else would those features.

>> be be on the surface? >> It's a. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, some some of those are. mountains and mountain ranges, but I can. tell you in the desert, not so much. That I mean, there are mountains. >> that just looks like channels of it just. looks like an insane amount of water. literally washed over the area and. smoothed it out. >> Yeah. I mean there's huge there's. there's a massive amount of evidence for. massive for giant floods through the. Nile Valley as well not not just across. the Sahara but I mean Petri was talking. about he was up on cliffs you know and. finding water lines and and and flint.

points and stuff that that were. indicative of massive floods. This is. Hara. Yeah. This is the labyrinth. >> Wow. >> So there's the canal. You see that's the. canal I've been talking the Bwabi Canal. It is it's so crazy that when you get to. like subsaharan Africa, like how little. of that has been explored and how much. of that was like insanely green and. fertile. >> not that long ago. Well, certainly not. Yeah. >> Thousands of years ago. >> Well, it it's interesting. I just, you. know, I did a it's I did this long video. on the erosional features of the Giza.

plateau because last year 2024, they. released a paper that um they I think. some geologists um I can't remember the. names unfortunately, but they talked. about the fact that there was all of the. all of the valley temples. So these. pyramid you know on all these pyramids. that are on like what you would call the. I mean lower Egypt. So Giza, Abberash, Abusir, Sakara, Maidum, they all the pyramids aren't. just a pyramid. It's a pyramid complex. So it's like you have a pyramid. You've.

got a structure in front of it. You got. this causeway that runs down to what. then they would call a valley temple. A. structure that's the end of the. causeway. So that's the the the the. well-known valley temple that's next to. the Sphinx is the valley temple for the. middle pyramid. like it's connected by. this causeway. Now they figured out that. during the African humid period which. ended thousands of years before donastic. Egypt ever started. There was a branch. of the river Nile called the Aramat. branch that ran exactly where all of.

these valley temples are. So, it's it's. like they were it's almost I mean I just. look at it and go this was built these. were built for that water source because. I think it's super I'm very skeptical. about the idea of these all of these. valley temples particularly the one that. Giza plateau being used as harbors for. like a couple months a year to to. transport all these blocks from the. quarry in Aswan again 600 miles away. right for all the granite and there's. thousand tens of thousands of tons. hundreds of thousands of tons of granite. on that plateau that had to be. transported I don't think there's the.

depth there I've seen pictures and. photographs in early times pre-dam when. the Nile flooded there's there's not. that much water there. However, during. the African humid period which ended at. the latest 6,000 BC but stretches back. thousands and thousands of years before. that. That's when the Sahara was a. savannah. You had river basins and lake. like like lakes and rivers. You had you. had it much more rainfall and it wasn't. like a it wasn't this flood situation.

It wasn't this annual inundation. There. was just rainfall and there was enough. water in that Nile Valley to support. this aramat branch of the Nile which is. was said to be like a mile or two miles. wide in some places. So really not like. an insignificant waterway, >> but it was high. It was it was running. and and they've traced the path of this. aramat branch and it turns out all of. these valley temples from these pyramid. complexes are on its banks and it. wouldn't it's like it's flooding. It's. like there all the time and and this end. this period ends and the you get the. desertification of the Sahara starting.

around 6,500 6,000. uh BC. And so, you know, it's not like. until, you know, if you get 5,000, then. 4,000, 4,500 BC, 3,000 BC, that's when. you sort of that's 3,100 BC is kind of. when we say the Egyptian civilization. started. So, it doesn't make sense to me. that if if they built these valley. temples and these and these all these. structures in like 2,800 BC, I mean, what do you you would you would build it. where the river is. Like, the river was.

way down there at that point. >> Yeah. And so, I. >> What is their response to this? Well, I. I just put it in my I mean, >> does anybody try to debunk it? >> No, it's a it's a peer-reviewed. scientific study. This is what happens. in these with a lot of these um these. papers. You you'll see this in it. happens in genetics and the DNA studies. that have been done too. You you don't. these other scientists will not really. step on the toes of the archaeologists. or the the historians, right? They'll. they'll present the data but stop from.

inferring what it could mean for the. picture of history. >> Got it. seems to be left. >> throw the data out there and go, "You. guys figured it out.". >> Yeah, pretty much. And they just whoop, hands off. >> Archaeologists say, "We're not going to. touch it.". >> Yeah. They ignore it usually. They're. not They don't care. It's Yeah. It's. left to like rogue scholars and idiots. like me on YouTube or people that write. books to to really try and put the. pieces together. >> Thank God there's a YouTube. >> dude. I know. >> I mean, thank God there's a place where. a video like yours can get millions of. views, where so many people all around. the world can watch that and go, >> "Wait,

>> what's going on down there?" Like this, who really knows? And why do these. people why are they so sure? Like why. are they so arrogant in their ideas? Because it's very clear that it's. not it's there's not a clear, you know, like we know Civil War ended in 1865, right? It's like it's all written down. Everybody knows people were alive. There's like photographs of the. soldiers. We're pretty accurate with.

that. >> Yeah. You get to [ __ ] 6,000 BC, man. You're just guessing. >> Yeah. It's It's a It's Yes. The further. back you go, the much. less evidence. >> There is way less evidence. >> Yeah. And it's also it it scares them. because something like that, if if you. really do find advanced structures that. are at 6,000 BC, well, you know, before. go back, we didn't even know that that. was even possible, >> right? And that's that famous. conversation that happened with Robert.

Shock and that really arrogant. archaeologist. >> Yes. Which is he's laughing like why. would you laugh about ancient history? First of all, what what ancient. civilizations are is that guy still. alive, >> Lena? Yeah. Show me the pots. >> He must feel so stupid now. >> Well, yeah. >> I have to go back. Like someone should. show him that video and go, "Why are you. laughing?". >> Like because this is just human ego. Yeah, >> this is human ego on display for the. world. You want to be the gatekeepers of.

this information. You want to be the one. person or the person that represents. this group of human beings that are the. scholars that have published work that. have taught at universities and you're. the only ones. You're the only ones that. know the the ancient history of Earth. despite the fact that there's people. like yourself and Graham Hancock and all. who've spent a lot of time and they're. very careful about what they say and. spent a lot of time investigating this. and they just want to dismiss those. people because they don't have the.

proper credentials or like what are you. talking about? >> Well, it's I think it's Yes, that's. that's exactly what's happening. I think. it and it is as a result of the the fact. that the conversation is getting out of. their hands, right? If you Yes. >> One of the things I admire so much about. the the the people who started this what. we would call archaeological or Egypt. Egyptological space, guys like Flender. Petri, you know, they're very open about. what they didn't know. Like one of my. like Petri would tell he talks about the.

machining marks and you can read between. the lines at the wonder at what he's. finding. He's like, I don't get it. Like. I don't we can't do it. We don't know. how they did it. >> and this is I think because the. conversations happening in those halls. of you know the academic halls or the. geographical club or whatever these. peers get out to the hall. >> doesn't get out and then. >> and so that slowly changes with the rise. of initially like alternative authors. you know you you which best represented. by Graeme Hancock good friend of mine as. well and he uh. >> you know his books and they start to. gain in popularity and now these I guess.

the people in the in the academic halls. of residents that are typically. considered the authority are seeing this. conversation get out of And and now you. get to YouTube where you know it's to. some extent I think it is possible to do. an end run end run around what they're. saying and I do watch people and there. are guys like Flint that are trying to. embrace that the new media space and try. and get on podcast and you know if you. read the SAA journals and articles the. Society of American Archaeology they're. literally writing to themselves saying. how can we become more popular in this. space and how do we start podcasts and.

get into it. The problem is they're. still doing it the same way. >> Yeah. And it's. >> it's like when CNN journalists get fired. from CNN and start a podcast and. everybody like, "No, you're doing CNN. outside of CNN." That's what they're. doing. They're doing academia, which is. like gatekeeping of information and also. like. >> poratives, mocking really shitty. behavior towards anyone who's outside of. it, including calling them racists, calling them white supremacists. It's. It's so dumb. It's so dumb because one.

of the dumbest parts about it is no. matter what those are the people that. lived in Africa. So no matter what. >> Oh, >> no matter what h no m whoever built that. >> is people that lived in Africa. There. were shut the [ __ ] up. Like the white. supremacy thing makes no sense. >> Yeah. It's I mean. >> it's Africans. >> It's Africans. >> 100. That's the people that were living. there. If if humans made it, you know, if you're not in the alien camp, which. is a bizarre camp, but if you're not in. the I'm in the ancient civilization,

incredibly advanced, cataclysmic. disaster, wipes them out. Civilization. takes a long time to rebuild, finds the. remnants of these ancient civilizations. and then sort of claims them over. generations after a thousand years. Nobody really knows who [ __ ] built. it, you know? And then this is this is. where I think we find ourselves. That's. that's where I'm at. But if you're in. that camp, you're talking about. Africans. Yes. >> So all these shitty things they do, just. show their hand. Just show what they're.

really all about. What you're really all. about is silencing anything that really. throws a monkey wrench into everything. you've been teaching for decades. Like. you've claimed that you're the expert. You've claimed arrogantly that you have. all the information when you clearly are. wrong. >> Absolutely. That that is what's. happening. It's actually it's a quote. that I I steal from my friend. Christopher Dunn quite happily, which. is, you know, you wouldn't trust an. archaeologist to design the chair you're. sitting on, but if it's an ancient. chair, he's going to claim he's the.

expert on it like this. And this is what. happens. I I had Joseph Wilson on a. podcast talk about he I had this great. quote from him. And he said, "Oh, you. know, just because some engineer. standing there, you know, shining a. laser on a vase, don't let that don't. let don't mistake that for him knowing. more about the guy who can read. hieroglyphs because he can read what. they wrote about it and he's the. authority on it kind of thing." It's. just like you're just dismissing. >> all of these other disciplines that are. that I think are required for a a true. and complete picture of trying to. assemble this evidence. Right. As you.

say, there's there's very little. evidence evidence that shows us. definitively what happened in the dim, dark, distant past. But it's you got to. try and make the case for it as best you. can. And I think we should try and. encompass all of the evidence. And one. of the disciplines that's missing from. that approach is the engineering stuff. It's the precision stuff. It just gets. dismissed out of hand. And yeah, we just. because we're not the authority figures. on that on that topic, it it just yeah, they ignore it, which is what happens. And then I don't know how you can ignore. the voses, how you can ignore the.

statues, the symmetry in the. construction of the faces. >> It's it's starting to become a problem. like they're trying and and and even in. the past when when I would guess the. mainstream approaches to try and solve. say some of the machining uh examples, the tubular drills or the saw cuts, I. mean just when you when you dig down. into them and the the answers that you. get and the explanations that are. offered are just they don't hold any. water. It's They've kind of they're. frankly ridiculous. Like. >> Well, the issue with the the drill bits. is the revolutions per minute, right? >> Uh I mean the cores.

>> Yeah. Well, it's not the revolutions per. minute. It's the penetration rate. We. don't know. >> how quickly it does it. >> How Yes. So, how quickly it penetrates. into stone. It I suspect that it's uh. that it was it could have been turning. quite slowly, but it's like a 1 in60. penetration rate is the rate of the. spiral groove on the cores that have. been analyzed, particularly Petri's core. number seven. 1 and 60 meaning. >> one in. So for like if you unwind that. circular motion to a straight line 60 in. horizontal travel 1 in vertical drop.

which is 500 times greater than how we. do it today with modern diamond tipped. saws hole saws which do turn. >> So our modern ones bear in mind they you. know 900 RPM they'll they'll cut through. gr slowly but it cuts. I mean no doubt. it grinds more more so than cutting but. yeah unwinding that spiral and looking. at that's what Petri was first of all. like how is this possible his numbers. got refined a bit by Chris Dunn but more. or less a one in 60 penetration rate so. it's very difficult to explain there are.

multiple cores like this and this is the. this is the other element that I think. the vases are showing is is that you. have a technological link between the. vases and these other precision. artifacts the bigger ones that couldn't. be buried in these civilizations. That. to me suggests that they were made with. the same technology. Um, you see the. same machining marks, the same tubular. drill marks. So on that quartz piece, if. you look on the bottom, you can see the. on the inside of it, there's no other. side. You see the tool mark? There's a. >> this right here.

>> Yeah. So this is like that's the tubular. drill. So this is. >> that's a a core function of how these. vases were made. You would often find. >> So this is the bottom. >> the bot. So they've they've corded that. thing out and then they've snapped it. off and polished it down, but they. didn't eliminate the full tool mark. And. you'll see that in a lot of vases. So we. know that. >> these tubular drills were used uh with. the vases as well. And. >> but you have no idea the power source, no idea what the material was that cut. >> No. Well, >> yeah. >> So yeah, the vases have be it's become.

interesting. Uh one of the Let me talk. about the provenence part first because. that's been the one like the the push. back on the vases. This is where it's. become a problem is is nobody's really. been able to push back on the data like. the uh the scientific and the. measurement data that's come out. The. precision fact, the geometry, there's a. whole bunch in the geometry space that. that that indicates that they are um. like designed. They're not just made. They were designed with mathematical and. geometrical um geometric principles in.

mind. Um they show pi, they show fire, the golden ratio, Fibonacci sequence, all this sort of stuff is in them. Uh no. one's pushing back on that. The major uh. push back on the vessels and the the. early days of the vasecan project was. that oh these are modern fakes or. something like they're not they're not. the real deal because they're not coming. from museums. They've been they're. modern forgeries. How can you say. they're real? So what's happened in the. years since and when I first came on. here and talked a little bit about that. that was very much the early days of. this project about two and a half years. ago now. Now, uh the the vase scan and.

particularly the artifact foundation, Adam Young, uh who started this whole. thing, who owns he actually this is his. a copy of his vase. Uh they've been in. now four museums around the world. We've. scanned close to a hundred vessels from. inside of museums with impeccable. provenence. Um those results are. starting to come out. They're matching. the results that we've found so far. So. the providence thing is is kind of it's. that's going away. the people that I. think chose to fight on the hill of. providence have have died on it now.

It's they're they are legitimate. And to. be fair, you can also find uh vessels in. private collection with impeccable. provenence just as you can find a lot of. vessels in museums that we have no idea. where they came from. Um it it's a it's. a much it's not as clear as just well if. it's in a museum it's we can trust it. and if it's not we can't it's not like. that. But um what else has happened is. that there's other as so the the the. project came out and it gained a lot of. interest from really talented people. around the world. Um and there's been.

several of those. One of the guys that. I've been working with a fair bit lately. over the last couple years a guy named. Doc Dr. Max Zamalov who's a physicist I. believe he taught for 10 years. He's a. nuclear physicist taught for 10 years I. think at Penn State. He's a he runs his. own company now. And I first he reached. out to me and actually we took these. fragments to his house and I rolled up. to his house in Florida and sitting in. his living room are two like scanning. electron microscopes you know as you do. who who doesn't have two SEMs in their. living room. Uh so we we started to do.

things like like look at these pieces. through a scanning electron microscope. to try and find evidence for the. materials that were used to cut them. So. you should if these were used with a. tool. So the the orthodox explanation. being well it's a copper tube and it's. sand or it's some sort of cutting medium. and it's it's it's spun and ground out. You should find traces of copper or. whatever that material was in there. We. looked at we spent days looking at. several pieces. Zero zero copper like. didn't find any copper. Nothing at all. Then I scanning electron microscope. Not.

only do you get the magnification, but. you can focus a beam of electrons onto a. particular spot and that back scatter of. electrons, you can then map out the. elemental composition of the material. So, >> can I pause you for a second here? >> Yeah. >> Uh, are the oldest tools that they found. copper? >> Yeah. Copper and stone. >> And what are the dates of the oldest. tools? >> Well, they go back all the way to to to. the old kingdom 26, 27, 2,800 BC. Like, >> yeah, it was it was early days. They. were smelting. I mean obviously the. older tools are stone tools like flint.

I mean a lot of carving you can carve. stone with harder types of stone. So. there was definitely flint and things. being used. >> but there's no evidence like not up. until like the very later periods of the. Egyptian civilization is there any. significant evidence for iron. >> and things like that. Like it's pretty. much copper and bronze alloys 10 you. know copper and 10ish bronze. >> Um. >> so when they analyzed the the traces. there's no copper. We didn't find any. copper, but we did find some other stuff. which was very interesting. Well, the. most interesting thing we did find was.

titanium. >> What? >> Titanium and titanium alloys with iron. We found iron, zinc, tin, >> titanium titanium alloys. >> Yeah. Titanium and it's not we Yes. So, yeah. So, when you find. >> the term alloy, doesn't that refer to. something that has. >> smelted? Right. That's been put. together. Exactly. In fact, you and you. know titanium as we know it as a metal. doesn't exist naturally. So it's in in. nature is titanium dioxide that is found. in rocks. This was not titanium dioxide.

that we were looking at because you see. a again that the SEM gives you the. spectrum, right? So you would see oxygen. and titanium together. We didn't see. that. And in fact, I did a I have a I. have a video on this and it's we found a. piece actually like a small maybe 20 30. micron wide piece embedded in one of. those grooves uh in a tool tip that. looked like an embedded piece. It shines. up very brightly. When you see metals in. on this in the SEM, it's like a bright. spot and you can aim it at it and it was.

just straight titanium and it looked. like a small piece of a tool that had. been wedged in there. And I mean, look, in the in our modern times, I mean, I. think titanium was discovered even in. the late 1800s. It wasn't used outside. of laboratories until the 1930s as a. material, but there seems to be evidence. that there's some titanium used. published. >> No, I wouldn't I know Max is trying to. work on that. I would it was not a. systematic. We spent days like a couple. of days and it's we didn't do like a.

systematic grid search like even in one. of those pieces you could spend it would. take you a long time to just map it. properly. >> like to scan the whole thing but uh it's. >> to play the devil's advocate would that. be evidence of a lack of a chain of. custody that perhaps someone was using. titanium to see if they could cut it? >> Uh yes it could it could be uh. contamination. So we looked for signs of. contamination. Um, I didn't, this didn't. seem like contaminate. In fact, at the.

end of at the end of when we'd finished. scanning, we actually took he had some. titanium dust. Like he was, we we put. some on on one of the pieces and put it. in to see what that would look like. Just these like a tin, you like just. like literally a matchick and just the. tiniest end and just tapped it and then. looked at that under the microscope to. look at what contamin It just didn't. seem to be contamination. You can't rule. it out. Uh, there's it's we found other. types of metals as well. So, it didn't. seem to be contamination. What is the. reason why it didn't seem to be that? >> Well, because it didn't. So, we looked.

at what contamination would look like. Like, well, so it's like smaller specks. where you can actually see the material. The one piece that we found, it seemed. to be embedded in the stone like it was. as if something like this tiniest. fragment of the tool of some sort of if. imagine it was a tool tip wedged itself. in the stone and then it stayed there. But it's it was only like 20 or 30. microns wide, which is pretty big under. a scanning electron microscope. Um, >> but that was the only piece of titanium. you did. >> We found other other specs of it. And. then occasionally it' be titanium and.

iron mixed together. >> And then we we also found specs of like. zinc, um, zirkon and tin and then. various combinations. I honestly I I. think it's it's grounds for more. investigation. I I think the most. significant thing was the no copper. thing. Like that's like all right, no. copper. Like that that to me was the. biggest takeaway. the fact that we found. some other elements in pieces of what. let's say questionable providence. I. know these are legitimate pieces from. these vessels. Ideally, the best thing.

if we could this would I'd love to work. with the Egyptians to do something like. this because I know there are fragments. of vessels in the step pyramid is. there's hundred thousands of them down. there still. In fact, like the last time. we've got down to the very bottom level, which is there's a special permission. required to get into the step pyramid. and then even then they generally won't. let you down to the bottom level. There's another ladder and 30 ft down to. the big bottom level. It goes down. further but it hits the water table. again. Um but in one of these corners in. this very bottom level you're like 150.

200 ft under the step pyramid. We found. a wall and it was a collapsed it must. have been a collapsed magazine of these. vessels. And this is the place where. they found 50,000 of them originally. like like um Jean Philipe Loyer in the. 1930s found this huge cache of these. vessels there. And in this wall, it's an. incredible little video. I've not. published it. I mean, I do want to talk. about it, but you could you literally. see like it's like a wall of dirt of of. not rock, but but dirt. And in the wall, there's like fragments of vessels. because it had been a a cache of them.

that there something a tunnel had. collapsed and it had crushed them. So, you got these like pieces of worked. granite. >> or diorite or whatever just in the wall. So I that would be interesting if you. could go down there and like get their. permission to say well let's sample you. because you have then you know you. you've basically got it in its original. environment from donastic Egypt and put. it in a ziplock or whatever just keep it. don't mess with it. >> right clear chain of evidence. >> clear chain of evidence and then scan. it. So, I think it's an interesting. observation. >> God, if they found titanium on that. Holy [ __ ]. >> I think the Russian there's a Russian.

group that did something similar and. they also found a metals. I think they. found titanium as well. LH, the. Laboratory of Alternative History is. >> How is titanium made? >> Uh, it's a smelting process from. titanium dioxide. I don't know the the. specifics of it, but it you have to take. that titanium dioxide and I assume smelt. it down or do something like it. Again, it took us up until. >> right, >> you know, 1930s to use it just anywhere. outside of labs. So, it's super. interesting. But that.

this I wouldn't even say that's the most. interesting thing Max found. So, he's a. crazy dude's an interesting guy. He's, you know, he's doing fusion experiments. in his spare bedroom. He's got like this. apparatus surrounded by boxes of borax. and boron to stop. >> 10 blow. So he took so get and this this is this. sort of ties back to the tool marks. It. ties back to a question you asked me. when I was here last which is what's my. wildest speculation. I actually have. some now which is based on some evidence.

in its early days. He has published on. this on his website but he took. precision vases. He took base rock. samples of the rock that these were made. from from the place. I actually got him. a piece of bassalt. uh he took non-precision vases and he. put them in a germananium detector. basically to look at the radioactive and. the isotope sort of baseline radiation. of these pieces and it turns out the. precision vases are radioactive. They're.

they're two to three. He's tested. several relative to the base rock. samples and the non-precision vases. They have two to three times the thorium. decay products in them. All of them so. far. And in fact, that piece right there. has a he said has a the quartz piece or. the crystal piece has a notable cesium. 137 signature in it as well. Um so. that's an interesting. um. >> nuclear titanium. >> nuclear tit could be I don't know about.

that but so he's look it's again early. days but he's he has published it on his. website the findings and he is he's. obtaining more equipment to do more. testing some more in-depth testing that. he will be much more definitive about he. did say take some recently to the petri. museum in London to test some of their. artifacts but it's a very interesting. result. This this has to have been. something that irdiated these vessels. that give them that signature even after. however many thousands of years with the. half-life. Again, we're comparing it to. the base rock samples and the.

non-precision vases which hap they're. just like that's nothing and they're not. dangerous or anything. It's just the. it's just above a baseline but two to. three times. So something happened to. them. And one of his hypotheses which is. very interesting is a concept called. nuclear machining. So he's he actually this is not a new. idea. It's not something we've figured. out how to do as a civilization yet. We're on that path. But you you can if. you take his theory is something like. palladium or another.

like radioactive material that is a. strong alpha or beta particle emitter. that you could put on a tool. It would. ablate either in neutrons or it's. blasting electrons or something. It. would ablate the stone surface away in. such a way that would you could carve. this stone with ease. kind of like a. lightsaber basically. >> and and it would also leave a signature. in the stone and you. >> [ __ ] yeah. >> and you take it back to that to that. penetration rate of that spiral tube. drill. >> Yeah.

>> It's not all we can say about things. like that spiral tube drill and the. other thing the other striations and. tool marks is look it's not. >> it doesn't seem to be the same thing we. do to the stone and it's certainly not. primitive. It's not something you can do. just by hand. So, has anybody the cores. has anybody tested the radioactive. levels of the cores? >> I think he he I don't he might have. tested the cores when he was there. recently. I'll have I'll talk to him. I. was talking to him to this morning. Um I. can ask him about the core. That's a. great question because that would it's.

this if it was the process, it should. show something similar. If that's indeed. the process, the look the other. possibility. is, okay, they weren't machined with. this method, but these were used in some. method. The other the other theory he. has that these may have been part of a. process for enriching material for some. other nuclear use or they were part of a. system that that. >> the idea. >> use nuclear material. >> They had advanced nuclear science. somehow or another. That that's just too. much. >> It's I mean it's not too much but it's.

too much. Like it's too crazy. It's so. crazy. But also like when you do see. some of the sculptures that look 3D. printed. >> and you go, well, okay, now it kind of. at least makes a little sense. >> Yeah. >> See, if we knew for sure that there was. a cataclysm and a lost civilization, that civilization had achieved some. immense heights of technological. sophistication in a completely different. pathway than we've done in modern times.

Yeah. If we knew that for sure, then. everything would be so easy. You'd go, "Okay, well, clearly they were doing. something. What were they doing?" But. instead, we deny that possibility. So, by closing off that door, now you're. left with nonsense. You're left with. sand and copper, and. >> it's dumb. >> I agree. I Yeah, I agree. I I think it's. >> because something [ __ ] crazy. happened. >> Yes. I I yes there's I think there is. that this is I try to follow the.

evidence where it leads. That's all. we're doing here with I mean I'm quoting. what Max has said about it with this. nuclear machining hypothesis. study needs to happen that. >> the nuclear machining hypothesis if. sorry to interrupt you but if you go a. thousand years from now for sure we're. going to have that. >> Yeah that's that's yes you I'd like to. put that the same context in these. arguments forward as well. It's like we. just don't to me the answer is you know. we we tend to look at the past and and. it always has to be this subset of what. we know right but it's like if you look.

at the history of knowledge and. technology give us 50,000 50 years a. 50,000 years you know that there's more. out here to the sides that we're going. to learn right. >> so that means there are realms of. science and technology that we don't. know anything about I think I think if. we were a bit more open-minded about. investigating some of these mysteries of. the past with some of these inexplicable. characterist istics, the precision or. the machining, the engineering things, how we how the stone was cut. I think. some of those answers could lay in those. realms of the unknown. And by being.

open-minded about them and by. investigating them with all of our. capability, we might even end up. learning something about them, which is. what we're doing. Like the the vase scan. project, we are learning the depth of. precision in some of the machining. aspects of it. and and Max is starting. to learn like, okay, there's some weird. like radioactive characteristics of. these things. Let's let's let's try and. look at more and figure out some more. I. mean, we can speculate a bit now. And I. want to be clear, this is all very. speculative at this point. Lots more.

testing and data is required to to even. shore up some of these theories about. these possibilities. But the fact. remains there could be they are. possibilities, >> right? And it's also this assumption. that there's been a lineal path, a. linear path of progression always. But. that's not that's not even the case. today, right? You can go to ancient. sites, whether it is in Mexico or even. in Greece, and you see really shitty. construction right next to the. Parthonon. Yep.

>> Right. I mean, the Acropolis and the. Parthonon is right next to crappy. apartment buildings. >> They're really close, right? That's a. decay. That's a you you've obviously you. can't do you're not why didn't you do. that do that again like this. >> yeah it's huge it's. >> it's something there's something weird. there's something weird going on and. this is like. >> 200 years ago where we knew who they. were know the people we know they did it. like amazing precision amazing. construction methods incredible art. incredible engineering and architecture.

right and. >> all understandable but yet more advanced. than the techniques utilized in 2025 in. the exact same area, >> which is weird, right? So that just. that's without a cataclysm, >> right? Well, yeah. It's also it's a nice. criticism of modern architecture to be. to be fair. I mean, you could don't even. go back 2,000 years. Just go back to. like the Gothic era with the churches. and the cathedrals. I mean, Jesus, why. don't we build like that anymore? >> Right. Right. Good point. But so you see. a decline at least in craftsmanship that.

can be attributed to a changing of. cultures and. >> but this assumption that there's always. this linear path of progression and if. you go back they were dumb. You go back. far enough they were dumber but that. doesn't seem to be the case here and. Egypt is the best example. >> It is. >> like explain that. >> Yeah dude. Exactly. And it's one of the. biggest if if anyone it's one of the. biggest contradictions about Egypt is. exactly it's the technological. progression. I mean you're talking about.

a donastic Egypt ci Egyptian. civilization at least 3,000 years right? So 3,000 years but if you look at it. from a technological progression. perspective it's almost like they went. backwards the whole time. I mean you. have. >> you have the emergence all of a sudden. of this culture and language like. they're gods. One of the craziest things. about ancient Egypt is this emergence of. hieroglyphs. Just boom, here it is. Here's this this complex, extremely. complicated language, cultural system, gods, and everything pops out of.

nowhere. It's pretty consistent. It. evolves over time. It doesn't really it. doesn't change that much. I mean, ununiform in um Samaria, there's there's. a clear progressive path where we can. see it being developed. We don't have. that. That's not the case for ancient. Egypt. And then it's all of the best. stuff is the oldest. It's the biggest. stonework, the valley temple, the 2,500. tons of granite in the king's chamber. structure that's that's in the Great. Pyramid, the Great Pyramid itself. These. things are amongst the very first.

pyramids ever said to have been built. Yet, progressively as you go forward in. time, I mean, they just they they get to. mudbrit pyramids. It's almost like it's. you're going backwards. And there's. just, >> you know, they technologically speaking, it doesn't seem like they progress very. far. So, I think there's another. interpretation for that data. for one. that fits the evidence a little better, which is that I Yeah, I think they got a. a kickstart. They got a head start. They. inherited an awful lot of objects. We. know for sure these precision objects. were around before the ancient. Egyptians. They don't match even the.

cultures that predated them. We have no. idea where they got them from. They I. don't think they made them. We don't. know how old they really are. And I. think there's a lot of other artifacts. and architecture on these sites that. they match these like technologically. speaking. There's a link, the same. tools, the same precision. We're seeing. that. Yet, these are massive artifacts. Sometimes like a thousand ton statue. that you can't bury with you. It stays. on this site. It gets inherited. It gets. renovated. It gets reused. Eventually, you get kings with hubris and arrogance,

guys like Ramsy's II that says, you. know, carve my name 3 in deep onto that. sucker. >> It's going to be me. I want to be part. of the gods. These are the, you know, I. want to tie myself to the ancients. And. the really crazy thing is that doesn't. often get admitted is that this is. literally what the ancient Egyptians. themselves said. They called themselves. a legacy culture. They trace their own. history back 40,000 years. They have a. list of kings. They have a they they. talk about these different eras of time.

The Shems Suhor, the followers of Horus, was this 12,000year period where these. mythical semi- divine beings walked the. earth. You can talk about kings and. rulers in that. And then before that you. have Zeppi when the gods themselves. walked the earth and they traced their. own history way back uh into those eras. >> That's some stuff that I brought up with. Zahi and he was like what is this? >> He just he just he got very mad. It's. funny. I'm uh reading where I'm. listening uh to the book of Enoch right. now. >> Okay. >> Yeah. That's some wild [ __ ] too.

>> Yeah. >> It's so wild cuz you're you're going. what are you what are you saying? like. gods, the watchers came down and and. mated with women. >> of earth and created. >> Yeah. The nephilim. Like what are you. saying? >> Like what. >> what what what were you trying to say? Thousands of years ago when they wrote. this down in, you know, and the version. I think that we're getting this from is. uh from the Dead Sea Scrolls.

>> which is from. >> Kuman. Mhm. >> So, how long did they write it down before. that? Like, how how long did they. discuss this? How long ago did this. happen? And what are you saying? Like, what what were they trying to record? >> Yeah. It's I mean, >> and why does it match up with what. they're saying in Egypt? The gods. walking amongst us, >> right? Yeah. It's it's it goes to some. wild places. >> Squirly. >> I know. >> It gets so squirly. And that's where you. get into the alien camp. Well, that 40.

40 meter tic tac shaped metallic. objects. >> Yeah. What is that thing? >> Well, >> and what kind of metal? >> We don't know. >> Imagine if it's titanium. >> Could be. He said it didn't match any. signature that he'd seen before. >> That's crazy in and of itself. >> It's one of the things I'll remember. always about when you were sitting here. talking to Bob Lazar and he said that. some of those craft came from. archaeological digs. I mean, >> it's part of his story. There's long. been rumors of that type of stuff in, >> you know, in uh Yeah. Under the ground.

in Egypt. I don't I'm not saying that's. what it is, but this is what Yeah. This. is what Tim said about it. >> Be amazing. >> It would be if there's a UFO down there. All layers converge at a central. corridor avenue like the atrium of. shopping mall where you can see all. floors from one vantage point. My. personal interpretation is that this. entire hall was constructed to house a. centrally positioned freestanding object. about 40 m long. The central object is. hard to classify. It appears metallic, not stone or wood. I named it Dippy.

after the giant diploica skeleton in the. Hinty Hall of London's Is that Did I say. that right? >> Yeah, Hints, I think. >> Hints. Hall of London's Natural History. Musician uh museum. It could be. anything. Its shape resembles those. tic-tac mints. It might also be an. upright disc or even a colossal shen. ring. And what is a shen ring? >> It's like the cartou. You know, the. thing around a cart. >> Oh wow. Big object alone raises profound. questions. How did it get there? Why is. it there? A more speculative theory is.

that it's some kind of portal. Oh boy, now we're going we're going full tin. foil. Either interdimensional or. interstellar. A Stargate. Its material. signature is like unlike anything I've. seen in my entire career, but it's there. undeniably there. I'll let the future. find out what Dippy is. Tim Acres. Well, that's he went full art bell right. there. >> He did. interdimensional or interstell a. stargate. >> Stargate. >> Hey, look, the Egyptians talk about. stargates.

>> Do they? >> Dude, go to uh where is it? Um Danderea. There's actually a couple places the. literal translation. You can read it on. the walls. I always show people when we. go there. Uh it is there are two or. three depictions of stargates. That is. the literal translation for it showing a. constellation with a gate and it's a. specific constellation a couple of. different time. They're all on different. constellations. How can I find that? Where can I see this? >> Uh, it's there's pictures of stargates. from Dendera Temple. I think it's in the. upper rooms. Um, yeah, it's up where the.

zodiac so that's actually the Dendera is. incredible. Like it is a it is a star. oriented temple. There's massive. depictions of the zodiac. And this is. all, you know, redone from older. versions of the same temple. But that is. the translation of the what's on the. wall with the constellation and the. gate. And it it literally translates as. Stargate. that. >> uh that is part of it. So well that's I. mean the ceiling is the zodiac you well. you you even have depictions of like. solar boats going up to the moon at.

Tandera. Randall loves that temple. He I. have sent him a lot of footage from that. temple. No it's it's uh it's actually I. know there's a you'd have to look up the. den yeah just just stargate glyph maybe. at dendera. Yeah, glyph. I'll tell you if you see. it. No, I don't see the exact one, but it's. not. I mean, it's literally a cluster of. stars that represents a constellation. going by. >> This is killing me.

>> I know. I I probably have it on my hard. drive. Uh, >> do you have it with you? >> It's in on my laptop if you want to see. it after. Yes. >> Yeah. Your laptop's out there? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Go grab it. We'll pause. >> You sure? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Not on what you gave me, >> huh? >> Not on what you gave me. >> There's not on that one. I didn't think. we'd get into the Stargate. I'm going to. try and find it. I'll try and find it. >> Okay. All right. >> All right. We'll be right back, folks. >> Okay. So, we found it from a video from. uh Trevor Graci on YouTube. Uh the video. is titled Hieroglyphic Proof of Stargate. Technology with uh Muhammad Ibrahim Mike.

Rick Rick Rick. >> Secker Ricksecer and Trevor Graci. Um so. this is what we're looking at. So, you. see it's like there's a a glyph. There's. you can see the star and there's a gate. Actually, try and find one of the other. pictures. Maybe there's. >> the star is the circle. That's what the. star is supposed to be. >> Yeah. This the star on the right. No, no, on the far right. Yeah, there's a. hieroglyph. Um, so again, yeah, star. gate. It's the you see the gate and then.

this the star and then I assume that. that crooked hook or whatever is part of. this as well. >> Oh, I see. So, it's what how the way you. translate the hieroglyph. >> Yes. Yeah. Yes. Muhammad Ibrahim, who I. know quite well as well, he's he's very. good at translating these um these. glyphs. We we when I travel in Egypt, we. usually go with uh. >> Professor Muhammad Jabra, who's one of I. would say top four or five in the world. for reading hieroglyphs. He can just. read whatever's on the wall and tell you. about it. He travels with us on these. tours. It's phenomenal. He just shows us. this. There's probably some better uh.

pictures of ones with the actual. constellations up at Denderea if they. get into. >> Yeah, but that one where they were. standing next to each other. Go back a. little. Uh, where is it? No, back a. little. There, there, there, there. Yeah. So, see, this is the one I'm. talking about. You see the stars, the. stars above the gates. >> So, it's there's literally different. these these and with the words, they do. they relate to specific uh. constellations. This is in the the top. the um. >> what's the zodiac room at uh at Dendera.

where they they have a replica of the. circular zodiac on the ceiling. The. French have the original, but this this. is original hierogly. And it is the. translation of this is literally. Stargate for these constellations. >> Say what it is. >> That is bananas. And what are these. constellations supposed to be? >> I don't know. Um off the top of my head. We do tell people when we when we uh get. into it. There is Yeah, I could find. out, but I don't know off the top of my. head. I'm sorry. >> Click that. That one that you just had. there, Jamie. No, no, no, no. Well, you. just had all Yeah, right there.

>> So, >> yeah, more gates. So, same similar. again. in the gate with the crooked hook. and the star the stargate. >> That's bananas. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So when they're referring to a star. gate, are they saying in any way what. what that means? >> No. No. It's it's I mean they would I. mean most of the the the interpretations. these days would tell you that it's. always symbolic. I mean they do look at. like the the Osiris and the the you know. the the the constellations in the sky as.

being connected to the dat or uh to to N. like this this the the duat being the. this space and N the goddess who is the. sky and you know it's all part of that. passage from the of the soul going into. the realms of immortal of the immortal. that happens after death. So this is the. you know this symbolic interpretation. that we that we that we give it all. We. say oh this is none of this. It's it. sort of falls into this category a. little bit of like everything is. symbolic, everything is ceremonial,

nothing is functional. I you know I I. I'm fascinated by these temples because. it goes back to something you were. saying earlier. Uh and I I use this. analogy to kind of set the stage for it. Imagine again imagine if you dry. happened to us tomorrow whatever right I. hope Dutch wood doesn't but say it wipes. out civilization but we survive as. humans within what two three generations. we're sitting around campfires telling. stories about [ __ ] these these things. that were like a black rock and it's.

just and you you you know it's like or. plasma TVs but you say look if you get. this shiny black rock you know you can. get answers from the ancestors you will. know everything you can talk to anything. you can see anything You can ask it. questions. >> You can ask it questions. And maybe you. go and you start. >> getting black rocks and making them like. this and you start dancing around the. fire. You start ritualizing this this. memory of technology. Now, >> if you take that concept, like say. there's a cataclysm and now there's. people that remember and they tell these. stories, the stories get passed down.

Now imagine there's a civilization that. comes up and in and it goes through. thousands of years of. uh structuring those legends and stories. of technology that goes through just. distortions and representations and. symbolism. that it's it's just twisting. all of these stories into this. iconography and this complex symbolism. that we then I think we go to a temple. in Egypt that was made in the tomic era. or whatever and it's you see things on.

the wall and I I think there's a great. way to interpret some of those symbols. and some of the paintings to say that. well is this actually an echo of. something that was functional or is an. echo of of technology like every staff. that you see has a tuning fork on the. bottom of it Every single one on these. walls, it's always got a tuning fork on. it. What's that? What's that all about? >> A tuning fork. >> Tuning fork. Like a little little like a. tuning fork. Yeah. All of the staffs. with the was head, it means power. Like. it literally the interpretation of this.

symbol is power on top of the staff. And. every single one of them has a tuning. fork on top. >> Can we see an image of that? >> Yeah. And you can look up um any of the. temples in Egypt and and like the. depictions of gods with staffs that and. they're and they're touching or they're. giving like the the the uh the Jed. pillar or the you know the the ankh. which is jedpillar is stability. Uh the. ank is life the was power. So in a lot. of cases these gods are granting kings. you know life, stability and power or. sometimes just life and power. But um.

>> what are those depictions of these. enormous cylindrical cylindrical things. that they're holding that look almost. like one of those Indian clubs? Yeah, >> like that one there. That's the that's. like the jed pillar here. >> Yeah. What the hell is that? >> That's a great uh image. That literally. is uh the symbol for um stability. >> That thing down is what I was talking. about. >> Oh, the uh the the quote unquote light. bulbs. Yes. At Dendara Temple. And see. there's a jet pillar there too with the. hands. So the jetpillar is is.

stabilizing it with its hands, >> right? >> And you're on a boat. You're actually. part of this is on a boat. >> It looks like some kind of technology. >> So you know what's crazy about this? So. again, we get down into this. This is in. a um in a crypt at Dendera. You have to. like crawl through a hole and get it's. like an inside wall. It's amazing cuz. the Christians and the they couldn't. they didn't get into the crypt so they. couldn't deface the glyphs. Like a lot. of the glyphs are defaced. >> Look at that guy. He looks like an air. traffic controller. >> Well, he's like a reptilian too. He's a. frog dude with knives. >> Yeah. What is that dude with a tail? >> Does he have a [ __ ] tail?

>> Yeah, he does. >> He does look like a He looks like a. giant frog man. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> So, what's crazy about there is a whole. story about this and it's written on the. walls. And again, this is thanks to my. friend Ysef uh Aan who I who I guide. with and then um you know, Professor. Jabra who can interpret this. And we. actually I'm going to do a video about. this soon because what he is saying. about this crypt is that there was it it. tells you on the wall that there was a. physical version of that thing in that. crypt that was he said it was made from. mostly gold and it was the span of like.

a dude with his arms out like a the span. of a human wingspan basically. >> I found I was stumbling across something. they called it electrum. There was these. two there was a stole these 3.3 ton uh. obelisk that were made out of a metal. called electrum. Gold and silver. >> Gold and silver. >> Yeah, electrum's golden. So, they. definitely used gold and silver. A lot. of the obelisks had electrum tips, they. think. >> Great for conductivity. >> Oh, it's fantastic. Yeah. I mean, >> that's really the only good reason to. have it other than looking good,

>> right? Yeah. >> Other than balling. >> Yeah. other than born which they were. born. >> This is going to be a little bit of a. sidetrack but when you're talking about. the nuclear stuff I found these stories. of uh the Oklo mine in Gabone which is a. nuclear natural nuclear. >> reactor. >> reactor. Wa that is very 4 billion years. old and 100,000 working oldest nuclear. reactor in history. >> Enriched uh uranium from it. >> Oh yeah it's it's enriching uranium. enriched uranium. >> Yeah. Imagine if it's it's in Africa.

So, I don't know if that was the only. place they've ever found, but. >> that makes sense, right? And is there. something like that in um Afghanistan. where this stone came from? >> Oh, the the lapis lazuli and everything. else. I I don't know. I mean, I I assume. that I I would be I wouldn't be. surprised if that sort of thing is. happening somewhere in the in the. massive uranium in Australia either. because that's like one of the world's. biggest um. >> uranium deposits. I imagine if it's. enough mass of you I think it's uranium. 238. They're trying to get no 235 to get.

to 238 or the other way around. But if. there's enough mass and neutrons hitting. each other, it might be enriching it. somehow. I think that's probably what's. happening there. >> I'm no nuclear scientist, so. say the wrong thing. >> Let's go back to those uh hieroglyphs, Jamie. Um the the lizard guy, the frog. guy or whatever that reptilian thing is. >> Mhm. >> That freaks me out. >> Oh yeah, it's the stuff of nightmares at. times. It's kind of weird. >> because that's, you know, one of the. things that the weirdest. >> when when they the weirdest stories when.

they start talking about aliens is the. the different types that visit, >> right? >> And that one of them is a reptilian. species that are the the most creepy to. deal with, >> which makes sense. >> The same thing it would be. Yeah. I mean. that reptilian reptiles on Earth. >> like chickens are [ __ ] you know, >> right? They are. And so are Komodo. dragons. and the idea that somehow or. another they could eventually reach. incredible levels of technological. sophistication and intelligence. We kind. of rule that out. But look, there's. there's clearly primates that are way.

dumber than us, right? >> Oh, for sure. >> So why do we assume that it's only. primates that reach an incredible high. level of sophistication when we know. that crows, which are really [ __ ]. close to dinosaurs, >> crows, >> super smart, >> super smart, like like smarter than most. kids. >> Yeah. problem solving smart. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's I you can't Yeah. I don't. think you can you can't put a a a. restrictor on what evolution might. produce. >> Not at all in any of these. >> especially when intelligence is being. exhibited by.

>> things that are really close. evolutionarily to reptiles. >> Yes. Yeah. And that would just be Yeah. You get to that like just lack of. empathy. Just that reptilian brain. It's. just aggression and like everything. that's not us is the enemy kind of. >> that's the mind [ __ ] is smart dinosaurs. >> Oh yeah. >> I mean that was in Jurassic Park, right? The raptors. They were smart. Yeah, they. were smart. >> Which, you know, makes sense. >> Yeah, it's that whole pack. Yeah, the. instinct. >> But the idea that there's that we were. visited by intelligent reptiles is. [ __ ] bananas.

I put Look, with the aliens, I don't. often address it. I I I but I put it. firmly in the realm of of like possible. Like it's just I don't I think when you. you look at the vastness of space and. the length of time, the fact that we've. you know we're just we're just this. crazy you could there could have massive. civilizations galactically could have. risen and fallen a million years ago and. we just weren't part of it. And that's a. literally a blink of the eye in these in. those sort of time frames. We just it's. it's not surprising this the firmy.

paradox, right? How come we haven't got. like firm proof or anything? Even though. people will say we have, but it's like. yes, there's it's it's the length of. time like we can rise and fall that span. of a million years. It's just nothing on. those time scales. And you know, you can. civil whole species can rise to massive. prominence and then just be nothing but. dust at the end of that period of time. >> And you got to try and do that across. what 14 billion years. And even that's. in question now because the James Web. telescope seeing stuff that's supposedly. way older than that now, >> right? >> I mean, we'll see. We're going to find.

out like this threeey atlas thing. >> Yeah. What is that thing? Super weird, right? >> Well, Avi Lo is convinced that it's a. UFO, but that's what he does, >> right? >> He did with that that other one, Omanuma. or Amuam. >> Amuam Mua. So, that one was a little. off. >> That was weird. So not it wasn't the. weirdest thing about a muamu mua seems. to be its its its path when it took. after it turned around the sun and. accelerated like that was the you know. standard model of physics said it. shouldn't have done that and it seems to. have exhibited sort of motion that was.

not. >> what we predicted it would do that's. acceleration. >> it accelerated it was noticeable. >> yeah it's accelerated. >> but like to a factor of what. >> well not that I think it was only a few. percent but it was not what should have. happened according to the calculations. that astronomers and the I guess the. orbital dynamics people had done that's. what I understand was the most obviously. its shape and size it was. >> something about its reflective. properties as well right. >> well it's yeah I mean just because it. was so long and narrow and it was. tumbling that's what caused it to we.

would catch like the long side of it. which the brightness would increase so. we had this oscillating brightness on it. and then it just it passed through the. system and it's you know it's going. whatever 87 km/s or whatever it was huge. velocity enough to escape the, you know, the gravity of the sun, but it it. accelerated where, that's what I. understand it did. It accelerated where. it shouldn't have. Then there was. another interstellar artifact that came. in that was pretty much a comet. It. behaved like a comet. It had a tail. It. was offging water. It's just an. interstellar ball of rock and ice is.

what they say that was. That didn't get. a lot of attention. Now, this three-ey. thing is much larger. It's traveling. much faster apparently than the previous. two. But it's also not behaving like a. comet. has this aura of light that it's. emitting around it for some reason. It I. saw a report that said it it they're. almost seeing a metallic like smelting. signatures off it. I I don't know how. much credence I can give it, but we'll. find out. Like it has a it has a it's. going too fast to stop in our system. unless it dramatically uh alters its.

velocity. But it's it's I mean it'll. come it'll pop out. We'll we'll lose it. on the other side of the sun, but then. we should see it again on the way out. So, we'll know one way or the other if. it actually is going to if it if it. changes behavior. I mean, what's he put. it? Avi Lo put it like 4060 or something. artificial to natural. But. >> really, >> dude, you I'm It's so funny. I'm into. Warhammer 40k in a big way. And it's. just like I'm like, "Okay, we're going. to be joining the Imperium here soon, boys." So, all all Howley Omnisire, that. thing might be a Mechanicus vessel. I.

don't know. >> If if that's how they travel, I'd be. very disappointed. They just shoot. through the sky. >> It takes months. If it slows down, >> I know, but I'm I'm looking for portals. I'm looking for I mean, advanced. civilization that visits us. I don't. want the advanced Vikings, right? >> Right. I want the advanced scientists. from the 21st century. Yeah. I just I I. you know what I'm saying? I mean, the. ones who come fast on a burning. spaceship, they're the dangerous ones. >> cuz they're probably Yeah. They're. probably the warlike conquerors, the.

ones who are going to rob us of our. minerals and force us into slavery. You. know what I mean? Like that seems like. if that's how you're rocking it, you're. still doing it the way we do it where. you have something thrusting you. insanely fast through the the cosmos. >> Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Do you know that. like the whole dark forest. >> uh thing like the the the dark forest. theory? >> No. What's that. >> about? So, it's this came out of uh it. was the threebody problem. uh great. series of books by a Chinese author got.

turned into amazing Netflix show great. show the books are phenomenal too and. it's just but it's it's this idea that. look we shouldn't be making noise it's. it's like imagine you're a hunter in a. dark forest so it's just you're out. there you know there might be other. things out there and it's it's this it's. this like a philosophical engagement of. like what do you what should you do. should you start light a fire and make a. whole bunch of noise in the dark forest. that's full of you know it's full of. predators you don't know where they are. they don't know where you are what's. your behavior should you do should you. see another predator? Uh what should.

should you be friendly? What's the risk. to you to do it? And these could be like. you could be there with a with a bow and. arrow. This guy could have a tank. This. other guy could have a like a mass some. other energy weapon. Whatever you you. you don't there's massive differences in. capability and scale. And pretty much. every scenario works out to like the. what you should do is just be quiet and. if you see something you should. eliminate the threat. That's kind of the. the way it goes in in the dark dark. forest. It's like it's too risky to. reveal yourself. Uh you should just you.

should basically eliminate that threat. if you can do so safely. >> And you apply that to kind of the galaxy. and where I mean in to some extent I. feel like we're the equivalent of like a. baby in a cot that's screaming around a. roaring fire because. we and there's you know leopards out. there and you know because we're just. like sending these signals out into. space for hundred something years now. And we just hope, hey, we're friendly, please. >> Well, you have to hope that something is. so evolved that it's gotten past war.

It's gotten past the way we behave. And. so, we're hoping and assuming that Space. Daddy, >> Space Brothers, >> Yeah. that Space Daddy, Space Brothers. will be benevolent and wise beyond our. imagination and that they will come here. and want to take care of us and give us. information and hook us up. >> I I I I that's my resp I have this. discussion. I've had this discussion a. few time and my response to a lot of. that is well we can take nature what. happens when we take n let's look at the. apex predator whether it's in the sea in. the air or on the land apex predators.

don't tolerate competition they they. don't suffer any attacks they don't I. mean we don't treat we don't we just we. just dominate like you just if it's in. your way it's inconvenient you kill it. if it has if it has something you want. we take it if those bees have honey we. take it like it's Yeah, >> there's no we're not like helping them, you know? We're not like trying to teach. the dolphins how to talk. Like there's. still parts of the world where we're. just eating them, >> you know? Like there's I don't know. It's. >> it's nature suggests that that apex.

predator. But maybe maybe we're just I. think this is the other element that. you're saying is maybe you evolution. leads you past those primal nature at. some point. >> The territorial primate instincts that. we exhibit like hopefully one day. because clearly we're on a pathway to. that, right? We're clearly much kinder. now. >> Yeah. >> At least locally. >> You know, if you don't live in Gaza, >> you know what I'm saying? You know what. I'm saying? Like if you're in the middle. of a war zone, you're like, what are you. talking about? This is as bad as it's. ever been all throughout human history.

It's the same behavior exhibited over. and over and over again. >> What we want is aliens that are a. million years more advanced. We don't. want aliens that are a thousand years. more advanced. Got it? >> Cuz they might be just like us, but way. better. >> Yeah. Just just better. >> That's what we don't. Right. Because as. soon as we start going into the co if we. venture into the cosmos in 20 years, we're going to be the same animal, right? We're not going to be. significantly different unless we. integrate with technology and remove the. ego and. >> yeah, mushrooms. >> Well, no, emotions and stuff, but maybe.

mushrooms help us get emotions. the the. all the things the human reward systems. that exist that we you know that we. currently struggle with. >> We would we would be the same way if we. just think of what we justify on Earth. in terms of destruction of habitat of. native species, animals that we kill, all the different things that we do on. Earth, factory farming. Now imagine why. would we care about these lizard people. that live, you know, in caves on some.

[ __ ] stupid planet. You know, we. would probably kidnap them. We'd kill. them. We'd pickle them. We'd bring them. back home. We'd freeze them. >> Got gold in them caves. What they got? >> Right. Look at what Columbus did when. they, you know, arrived. >> Yeah. >> And took the natives and had them get. gold. And if they didn't, they cut their. arms off and did horrific, terrifying. things. So imagine there's no evidence. that aliens are currently doing that, which is the promising thing, >> right? >> Right. They even the abductions,

although I'm sure they're terrifying if. they're true, they seem rather benign. >> Like in fact, in the Travis Walton case, do you know that that one, >> it's one of the most famous ones? >> Not off the top of my head. >> Real simple. 1970s, he's a logger. He's. working with a a group of guys. They see. a ship. He runs toward it. He gets hit. with a beam of energy, gets knocked back. unconscious. His friends flee, they come. back, they they're they're yelling at. each other, "We got to go back. We got. to get him." They go back. He's gone. Um.

all four of them get investigated for. murder. They tell the story. No one. believes them. They all pass polygraph. tests. 5 days later, he shows up. He. finds a pay phone, makes a phone call, and has this [ __ ] insane story. But. the story the story was that they took. him aboard the craft and healed him and. communicated with him and that there was. a bunch of different types of these. beings and then um he has been telling. the exact same story ever since the. 1970s. >> So, but. >> yeah,

>> relatively benign compared to what we. would do. >> for sure. >> You know, like we [ __ ] you know, we. shoot elephants. >> It turns an Avatar. Yeah. >> Yeah. Think about the the horrible. things that we do right now on Earth. >> No, I agree. Yeah. And it's it's. something that I always great quote from. Christopher Hitchens, which is, you. know, we're just not the end of that. evolutionary chain. You know, we're just. our our current our current the current. version of humanity, the our frontal. loes are too big. Our adrenaline, sorry, our frontal loes are too small. Our. adrenaline glands are too big. Our. thumb, four-finger opposition isn't.

isn't all it's cracked up to be. >> And we love violence. >> We love violence. >> We love violence. Our national sport is. dudes who are enormous running at each. other. full speed. >> True. >> And the other one is guys punching and. kicking each other. >> I mean, it's kind of Yeah. I mean, it's. kind of crazy. We're We're so And then. we're also involved in multiple wars. simultaneously. >> At least proxy. >> Yeah. Proxy wars. It's. >> And at least human beings are involved. in a significant amount of war. Always. >> Yeah. It's never It's This is literally.

the status quo throughout history. I. mean, it's just we've always been at war. with each other. Uh I mean I will I I. still do I m personally maintain the the. idea that it is the still the best time. to be alive% technologically speaking. but also I mean obviously we're much. more aware of conflict around the world. but. >> on a percentage scale of what it's been. like in the past it's actually far less. than it has been like even though it's. terrible when it happens but. >> yes. >> you know we're in an era where there's. actually less of that going on and.

hopefully that can continue. I actually. genuinely think that it's one of the. reasons why this whole investigation. into the past is important to me. Like I. don't it's not I haven't really talked. about it in videos or put it down. It's. going to be it's part of the book I'm. writing for sure. It's a big part. because I it's it's not just some benign. investigation into the past. I genuinely. think it could have a significant impact. on our future because it it that that. concept you talked about it of of like. this linear progression, right? I mean. in general we get taught in school that.

okay, we were stone age dudes. We're in. caves. Civilization happened. I mean, how many thousands of years later, here. we are. This is the only It's like this. is the only way that an advanced. civilization can happen is is on this. path. Don't worry about it. It's almost. like it's pre-ordained. Just worry about. next election cycle, next quarterly. result, whatever. Right? And and we just. don't think about it. I do this is this. concept I call it's I think it's a. fundamental pillar of what it means to. be a human being today. It's in. everybody's mind to some degree. Like, all right, stone age us, we're advanced.

This is the only way it happens. I do think that if you can change that. at that fundamental level to this. cyclical version that is an oscillation. between civilization and cataclysm and. this idea that okay we've actually risen. in the past. We've become relatively. high technology. We become civilized and. and it it happened. It would have been. different to us but it it we fell. We. fell again and we're we're somewhere on. this oscillation and this circular. motion between civilization and. cataclysm. And on a long enough time.

scale, we know it's going to happen. again. >> Yes. >> Right. And if you can change that, if. you could change that fundamental. concept in people, like that's what we. teach people in schools. Okay. So, we. we're we're rising again. We're we're at. this crazy point in time where our. technology is super advanced. We can. solve some of these problems, but we. know on this time scale, if we don't do. something about it, we might end up like. our ancestors did. I genuinely think. that stands a chance of like changing. some of our behavior and and some of our. like a little less money on tanks and. guns, a little bit more money on space.

exploration, make solving the longerterm. problems. >> a bit more of a priority. And I it's. altruistic and it's am it's like a crazy. goal. It's it's I know it's altruistic. as all hell, but it's just I think. there's precedent for it, too, though. I. mean whether you agree with it or not. polit I mean it doesn't matter but the. fact is that the term climate change has. changed our behavior over the last 25. years right it's changed if you think. about what's happened with that concept. and that movement it changes investment.

decisions it changes our interactions. with each other with the planet you know. it it's changed our behavior in the way. we think about stuff it's this it's like. this this has crept into our zeitgeist. as a species and it's changed our. behavior so I look at some of this stuff. in the past is it not just being some. harmless investigation into things. I. think it it actually getting to the the. root cause of what's happened in the. past actually could help us in our. future. I think it's an important it's. what drives I think my interest in it in. a lot of ways too. So. >> it's another piece of an example uh.

another example rather of how primitive. we are that we still we're the actual. climate is political. >> That's bananas. Pollution is political. >> Yes. Well, I mean, if you disagree, I. mean, I always find it crazy that if you. even question any of some of the like. official narrative about this stuff, the. first thing you've got to do is make. sure you decry and say, "No, no, no. Pollution bad. Pollution bad." Yeah. Just because I think that some of the. science might be off. I'm not saying. like I'm let's pollute the oceans. Like, no, no, let's be stewards. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> Well, it's also the amount of time that. we've polluted the oceans in is. spectacular. >> Mhm. >> What we've done just in terms of the. depopulation of the ocean. >> Oh, yeah. That's nuts. Like 90 plus% of. all big fish are gone. >> Yeah. >> In a short amount of time, like a couple. hundred years of like hardcore fishing. And we. >> we fished out the ocean, man. >> Just about. >> That's nuts. Not only that, we polluted. the [ __ ] out of it to the point where. you're not even supposed to eat it every. day, >> right? Which is.

>> that's crazy. >> Oh, I agree. >> That's crazy. If you eat sushi every. day, people don't recommend it. >> A beer bottle. bottom of the Mariana. trench. >> What? >> Yeah, >> that's crazy, >> man. That's how gross we are. >> Somebody was over there and they chucked. one overboard. >> Yeah, it looks like that honking. >> It looks pretty recent, right? It's got. the [ __ ] label on it. >> Yeah, >> right. The label hasn't even eroded. >> Challenger deep. >> If it's that recent, like why isn't it.

covered in sediment? You know what I. mean? Like the the the surface covers. things up and moves over time. It. probably won't be there forever. It'll. probably won't be sitting on the surface. like that. I think. >> it's still floating around. I don't. think it's Oh, wow. Yeah, maybe. Oh, right, right, right. Still moving around. somehow. >> Oh, it's Wow. >> It should sink. I would imagine. >> Unless there's some sort of a downward. or upward current. >> Yeah. >> Scientists find beer bottle the deepest. point of the ocean. That's so. >> 6.7 miles. 35,000 ft below the surf. That is. >> How does it not implode? But that sub.

does. >> Oh, yeah. No air. >> Yeah. Okay, there you go. Right. >> Yeah. Wouldn't last long if there's a. cap on it, that's for sure. But yeah, >> I don't want to go down there. >> [ __ ] all that. >> Yeah, I'd rather watch a video. Not only. that, they were watching a video. That's. what's even crazier. >> You go all the way down and you're. watching a screen. >> It's not like there's a window. You. can't have a [ __ ] window. It's. >> exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Like one little or. just if there's one just giant thick. thing at the front, you kind of like. >> imagine the freak out of being at the. bottom.

>> James Cameron knows. I mean, he went. down there. Yeah. >> Not for me. >> He went there by himself. >> I know he did. It's crazy. in that. Yeah. In that he did it right. But. >> I guess if you're going to do it, >> you're going to. >> Why is he doing that? >> I want four feet of titanium around me. like in a sphere. >> Yeah. We need you to make movies. >> Maybe not a carbon fiber tube. >> Yeah. >> Well, especially not one that the. engineer said wasn't really designed for. those depths. >> Yeah. That cracked. Did you ever watch. that documentary? It's Dude, they're. putting that thing up. They did a scale.

model and they're testing it under. pressure and it'll stand around in the. room. and just goes bang. Like it's just. it's in and every test they did it went. bang and blew and they're like 20. successful trips with that. >> Oh, they did a bunch. Yeah. And it was. and it Well, even the scariest part is. like when you're in the footage with it. and you can hear it popping like it's. it's it's literally the carbon fiber. >> strands snapping. >> Oh, it's terrible. It's terrifying. >> Imagine being one of those people that. successfully made that journey and and.

then the nightmares that you have every. day. Uh, like the one right before. >> Barely missed it. You bar. Yeah, the one. right before. Barely missed getting. instantaneously destroyed. >> I'm sure you've seen the animation, the. the computer recreation of what it would. look like. >> Yeah. He turned to blood cells. >> Yeah. >> Just splatter. >> Yeah. You wouldn't It said that it. happens faster than the time it would. take for you to even register that it. hap like for your senses to register in. your brain that it happened. It's over.

pressure. The pressure. >> Yeah. >> But just the fact that we're that weird. that we choose to do that that we have. technology like let's see. >> Yeah. >> Let's go. >> Yeah. I mean this is so funny the way. they skirted the I mean you he signed. everyone up as like basically expedition. team members. They were that was how. they got around. I'm not selling seats. for this. >> like they're invest they're coming on. They all had a technical role supposedly. and it was like I'm not it's getting. around the regulations and the safety. regulations.

But yeah, no interest in that sort of. pressure, man. I mean, I dive, but. >> not like that. >> Diving is swimming. >> Pretty much. >> It's just like hardcore swimming. >> Simulation of the implosion is crazy. >> Yeah. >> I haven't seen this. >> It said that it would have happened in. 20 milliseconds and it takes like 150. milliseconds for your brain to feel. pain. That's Yeah, that's. >> Yeah. No, thank you. I No. >> God.

Oh my god. This Why does this freak me. out so much? >> Because a guy went on with his son. >> Yeah. It's ter It's a terrible story. I. mean, it's just. >> why I wish I was friends with that guy. I'd be like, dude. >> Yeah. >> No, >> it's not the place I'd want to explore. Like, there is some stuff off Cuba. They. say that's they reckon pyramids. It's. kilometers deep in the ocean. But. >> I've seen that. I've seen Well, I've. seen internet videos on it. Imaging. Yeah, >> but I did dive. We were in Alexandria. I. dived on the the lighthouse. So, there's.

um and there actually there was a news. article just the other day about the the. Egyptians were pulling like more stuff. out of the water there at Heracleion and. at the the lighthouse of Alexandria. Quite an interesting story. And we were. in Alexandria dive in the Mediterranean. on the Egyptian side. And um I mean it's. it's amazing. There's megalith massive. columns and massive megalithic blocks in. the water from when that uh the. lighthouse it fell down or it collapsed. there was there was an earthquake and so. you're actually you're in the water but. you're diving over like megalithic. blocks like these and huge columns and.

it and it's it has a history that. stretches back too, right? It's uh the. megalithic stuff is what's associated. with the very earliest periods of. building. Um all the stuff that happened. later is typically not that big. But. yeah, this is actually. >> that's what's nuts. That's what's nuts. is that the the older you go, the bigger. the stones are. Well, and it's what's. funny is when we looked into the erosion. at places like the Giza plateau, you. it's it you have two or three feet. It's.

not the sphin Everybody knows about the. Sphinx enclosure erosion, but you look. at places like the the the pyramid. temple uh of the middle pyramid, the. some of the blocks on the Great Pyramid, the casing stones that are there that we. can see now that they've taken the boat. museum away. Uh, and up and down the. causeway there is there is limestone. blocks with up to two feet of erosion. Like it's these waves. I think I have a. have a directory on that on that um. drive with um the erosion on it. And. it's you have you have to jutapose that.

against all the other stuff they say is. fourth dynasty. Right. So right next to. the valley temple there is another. structure that's built from small. limestone blocks. Doesn't have any. erosion not like the valley temple does. Uh the western cemetery that's behind. the Great Pyramid is beautifully made. It's smaller limestone blocks. It's. apparently older. So yeah, here's a good. example. This is the morttery or the. pyramid temple. So these were you can. see where the face of that block. originally was, but it's been eroded in. like up to 2 feet in places. There's.

huge amounts of erosion uh that you can. find in a lot of places at the Giza. Plateau. Yet at the same time, you have. what are said to be contemporary. structures said to built have been built. roughly in the same time. Sometimes they. say they're even older that have just no. erosion at all. Made from the same stone. made by this allegedly by the same. people. Uh and. >> and what force did they attribute that. erosion to? >> Well, it's got to it's wind and sand, right? It's that's what they will say. Look, this is just regular weathering. And here's the crazy thing about these.

structures. Like this was also cased in. granite. These are the inside blocks. So. this this structure was fully cased in. like 4 ft thick granite blocks. >> and that was excuse me that was stolen. and. >> taken but it would have protected this. stone from erosion for however many. thousands of years. You find there's. another picture in here of like the um. that's so there like see this is. >> this is said to like that picture I just. showed with the heavy erosion that's. where the arrow is at the pyramid. temple. >> No no back to that back to that one. Yep. So that deep erosion's at that.

pyramid temple. M. >> this one wall to the right. They say. this is older than that and that this. has never been cased in granite. That. other stuff was cased in granite. It's. megalithic that you there's a block in. that complex that's 450 tons. Um and it. was cased in granite. Now there's been. studies, right? So we know how long it. takes to weather limestone. There's been. a bunch of studies. The US the the. government departments have studied it. put limestone blocks on the top of the a.

building in Washington DC in a. government department and studied it. over 11 years. There's endless uh. cemeteries with conveniently carved and. dated limestone pieces in the form of. headstones that you can measure. So you. can go okay this was carved in whatever. year this guy died and as you can. measure it and over time get a sense for. like what's it take with rain with wind. We've done studies of like, all right, we put these blocks in a river and we. and we let it wash over like a very. highly erosive environment where we've. got running water running over the stone.

and how how long it takes to erode. For. some of the erosion that you can if you. reference those studies for this type of. hard limestone to get 2 feet of erosive. wear on those blocks just with regular. wind weathering and this is this is in. places that have a lot more rainfall. than Giza. You're talking dates from. like 60 to 122,000 years. to get that much erosion on it. I mean, and that's and I think that's in a more. erosive environment than what the the. desert is. >> What?

So, yeah, that's that's the that's it. side by side. So, you have literally. they'll tell you that thing on the right. is older. This was built by Kufu. This. is supposedly Kuffra, his son. >> Wow. >> But it's it's completely different. So. this is that tailored to industry thing. as well. But they attribute all this to. the same people. But you can baseline. this because it's the same stone. It's. at the same elevation level. It's. supposedly the same age. The differences. are in the construction. Like it's. megalithic. And a lot of this stuff was. encased in granite. This is the uh. Sphinx temple down at the other end of.

the causeway. Same thing. So all the. megalithic stuff that was cased in. granite has severe erosion. yet there's. buildings all around it and up and down. the plateau they say are built at the. same time yet it's smaller blocks it's. not as nice work and it's not eroded. like that like. >> and what's the conventional explanation. for that discrepancy. >> they just don't address it like I've not. seen anyone well I mean because the. argument's always been the sphin like. the sphinx temple like the sphinx. enclosure right Robert Shock John. Anthony West they he talked about the. fact that you needed thousands of years.

of rainfall erosion to get those. patterns on the walls that's where the. discussion's been focused it's. There was no comparison, mate. It was. always like, well, this is this, you. know, the geologists and the experts say. it's wind and sand. It's water erosion, but then you have the archaeologist and. the marklanders saying, "No, it's wind. and sand." Wind and sand. But I think. there's a better argument to be made. when you start to do comparative work. like this. You go, "All right, hang on. Let's take the Western cemetery behind. the Great Pyramid supposedly built by. Kufu, fourth dynasty. It's at the same.

elevation level. It's the same stone. type as the morttery or the pyramid. temple of the middle pyramid complex. So. after Kufu. So if he built that then his. son Kafra built this one. How come this. one which was also cased in granite and. this wasn't. How come this is so much. more eroded than this? There's no it's. at the same elevation level. It's the. same stone. It's you would assume that. it's been subjected to the same. weathering. Why is this so weathered and. that is not? It's that you can't explain. it any other way. Yeah. Yeah. I've not.

seen anyone respond to that to that. argument with anything that makes any. remote sense. Like. >> remote sense would dictate one's older. >> Yeah. I mean I we show literally I like. to show people like which one which one. looks older. Like. >> same stone. >> same stone same elevation level. Same. everything. >> has to be. >> Yeah. I mean it's and again we know. >> that's crazy. That's crazy. >> And it's not like this this is very hard. numalytic limestone. Like it's full of. fossils. It's not a soft limestone. The. idea that there was a civilization that.

built monolithic. construction. >> Yeah. >> a 100,000 years ago is crazy. >> It is. >> That's so crazy. But have you seen any. of Michael Button's work? >> Yeah. Yeah. I saw the episode. Yeah. >> That is a very interesting episode when. he's talking about how. >> human beings in this exact same form. have been around at least 300,000 years. >> at least. >> At least. >> So that's the fossil, right? That's all. we found. There might be human beings.

that were 500,000 years ago. >> There's six. >> good evidence for actually. >> Really? >> Yeah. There's So yeah, so the Morocco. find I've talked about this for years as. well. It's that the fossil record. So we. used to be what 19 50,000 then it's. 195,000 with the Ethiopian bones and. it's 315 or 19 with the Morocco find. That's the latest in the fossil record. Anatomically modern humans. However, there are studies uh I think this is in. the other vectors director. I've got. those studies. Um there's there's two.

studies that I reference usually. One is. a DNA study that suggests like from a. genetic perspective, Neanderthalss are. our cousin. Like we didn't evolve from. them. We both evolved from a common. ancestor. And they then based on just. looking at the genome and trying to. trace it back. They the the the paper. suggests that we split with a common. ancestor somewhere in the realm of. 800,000 years ago. Us and the Ender. Dolls split from a common ancestor. Like. that's when we carved off. >> 100,000 years ago. >> Yeah. And there's another study on teeth.

morphology which is which was it. actually got set up to try and prove. that we're only you know two 300,000. years old and they were looking at all. right so our nearest common ancestor. how quickly does our dental our teeth. have to evolve. uh and morph like this teeth like teeth. morphology. how quickly does that have. to happen for us to basically have the. teeth that we have today relative to our. ancestors? And they thought, well, it's going to. have to be this rate to make these. numbers work. And then they did this big.

statistical study on a lot of different. people from all around the world and. they figured out the teeth the the rate. of dental evolution is much slower. So. they then they they basically worked. backwards from there and said, "Okay, so. if if that's how quickly our teeth. evolve, then we may have been around as. many as eight or 900,000 years." So you. have so you you have two different. studies. I mean again fossil record. 300,000 but other studies do suggest the. possibility could be any up to towards a. million years old for human uh human.

beings. It gets real interesting even. within the 300,000 years but certainly. if you stretch it back further I mean. you can find. uh graphs of the temperature and the. global temperature in ice core record. ice core data from Antarctica that goes. back 400,000 years. So you have these. peaks and valleys like we're in that. peak right now in the holene the nice. warm period where civilization. flourishes but we've been through a. bunch of those peaks before and some of. those valleys are we know as a result of. cataclysm like massive changes to the.

surface of the earth when nothing would. be left. So I look I honestly put the. realm of possibility for advanced. civilization not just the last ice age. but within any you know up to a million. years potentially. >> That's [ __ ] crazy. could be. >> well it's not. >> it'd be dust for a lot of it but. >> it would be dust what we would find now. but it's not but that's what Michael. Button's argument when you're dealing. with anatomically similar human beings. or anatomically exactly the same. >> creature. >> give us give us warm weather and you.

know enough food to eat and we start. [ __ ] solving problems. >> which is one of the reasons why Egypt. itself was so spectacular was that it. was very fertile. >> it was in the African human period this. is one of my arguments is I I think if. you So if we just assume for a moment. that there was a a a civilization that. flourished during what you know the. African human period and before it when. the Sahara was a savannah and I that's. why I think the Sahara is such an. appealing target is because what. happened right so if that civilization.

ends we're knocked back to a stone to a. to a relative stone age the people that. were populating the N people have been. in the Nile we know for like hundreds of. thousands of years like people and and. they if they're going to start that. civilization they're going to do it in. the only part of that country that was. habitable. It's the Nile Valley and. that's where all the sites of ancient. Egypt are that we know about. But. they've all been, let's assume they. kickstarted with stuff and they built. been inherited and renovated and reused. and the donastic Egyptians made them. their own if assuming there's something. there before. So what's fascinating to.

me is the possibility that out there in. the Sahara, maybe near an ancient water. source or an ancient aqueduct or. something or or an ancient aquifer, we. might be another Assyriion out there. like this subterranean things. There. might be another cereapium. There might. be another labyrinth buried beneath the. sand somewhere that's not been touched. and it hasn't been inherited and reused. >> Well, that's where the Rashard structure. gets weird, >> right? And that's that's on a timeline. that could be very ancient because it's. very eroded. It's then there's hard to. see any like there's it's interpretive.

almost at this point to to figure out. that there's if there was a structure. there or anything. Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. It's interesting. >> But it's also that's another one when. you go above and you look at the. satellite imagery, you go, "Oh boy, that. place got washed.". >> Yeah, it did. >> It got I mean that was one that place is. one of the clearest examples of a place. that looks like it got washed cuz. there's literal salt deposits. everywhere, >> right? Yeah. I mean it's. >> which is nuts. It is nuts. >> It's the whole thing is nuts.

>> Yeah. I don't know what happened. Like. >> Jimmy Cordetti has some amazing videos. on that. >> Well, yeah. If anybody's interested, >> Jimmy does. >> You do as well. >> Jimmy's awesome. Yeah, he's. >> Yeah, that's that's that seems like it. could be one of the places to look. I. mean, actually, so Michael Donan's. there's an interesting talk about Melon. Burrows in that same satellite scan. company. There's a guy named Michael. Donan who's been working he was working. with them, still is. He's putting out a. documentary pretty soon called. Atlantica. And he thinks he's found at. least if not Atlantis, a part of. Atlantis off the coast of Spain. And.

they 100% found some [ __ ] in the waters. and been diving on it for a couple years. now and building a documentary. But he's. it's pretty convincing. He's found again. another like underwater if nothing else. megalithic city. He thinks it could be. Atlantis as well off the coast of Spain. >> Wow. I saw that that documentary was. coming out. I I didn't know exactly what. they had discovered. Is there images. that we could see right now of what they. >> It's No, he's he we saw like an advanced. preview of it. >> until it comes out. But it's but it's. they discovered it with that Melon.

Burrows scanning tech, the same. satellite based tech and then they went. and dived on it and I' we saw like a cut. down version of three episodes at this. conference I went to and met him. I've. since talked talked to him a bit. >> Uh fascinating. 100% found something. like it is man-made. Like whatever it is. is Yeah. So this is like the preview. little teaser thing. Ooh. When does this. come out? >> I'm not sure when it's when the. streaming I feel like it's got to be. this year. I I hope he's mostly done. with it. Um. >> says 2025. >> Okay. So then. >> or at least the trailer.

>> That was Tim Acres for a second there. Old guy with the beard when he was still. alive. >> When did he die? >> I think it was just last year or the. year before. >> Damn. >> Yeah. It sucks. It's. >> I'm very happy I got John Anthony West. on a couple of times before he passed. >> I It's one of my big regrets never. actually having the chance to meet the. man. He was great. He's phenomenal. You. know, there's a clip I use in my videos. of him back in the 90s. >> Did you show any images, Jamie? >> Not really. >> No, not really. >> Back in the 90s, John Anthony West, I. use it in some of my videos, and he's. standing at this cabinet, the same. cabinet I stand in front of. I take.

people there to the Kai Museum, and he's. looking at this beautiful diro vase with. a super thin neck, and it's just it's. like this beautiful but tiny little thin. neck on it. And fled and he's just. saying, you know, how much these vases. are an anomaly. They're pre-ynastic. We. don't know how they made them. you know, how do you machine out the inside of. this vase through this tiny little neck? Someone did it. He said, I can only hope. that at some point in the future we'll. people will start to like apply modern. technology and and study these things. and try to learn some more about it. So, it's fantastic that that vasecan project.

is. >> basically doing what he thinks we should. be doing and we're learning a ton about. it. >> His uh DVD series, Magical Egypt, is. what got me hooked. >> Yeah, I know. Yeah, you've said. >> that series is insane. It's so good. >> He's he was great. symbologist and. that's and that I think that s that. symbologist's view of ancient Egypt is. is fantastic. Occasionally he would. touch on that the engineering side of. things that I'm sort of deep on. Sometimes he'd ignore it too. It's. pretty funny. I have a copy of his guide.

book um which is hard to get these days. his guide book to ancient Egypt and it. literally has about this much on the. cerapium because there's just no real. writing down in the cerapium. That's the. place with the 25 giant like 100 ton. stone boxes. It's one of the most. remarkable logistical feats that come. from ancient Egypt. But he just wasn't. there wasn't a lot to like for a. symbologist to interpret in that place. So it's like, "Hey, it's pretty cool. Go. check it out. Some boxes.". >> And we spent like four hours down there. >> It's interesting if you think of him. like being concentrating on the.

symbolism and how much work he did. >> Oh. >> And just you need one of those two, right? You need a bunch of different. people looking at all the different. aspects of it. >> Yeah. And he was another one that had. his interpretation was this is a lot. older. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It seems no one seems to like do a deep. dive on it and go oh no no no they. figured this out. >> No right. It. >> Zahi's example would was so crazy. His. explanation was this was the national.

project. >> Dude, I've I it's so I tried to watch. that podcast. >> Imagine if we're all going to uh fly. without wings. This is the national. project. Exactly. You're just going to. use your mind and fly without wings. We're all just going to work on that. >> I have heard him say that for 10 years. 11 10 years. Yes. I asked him that. question 2015. I was in the room with. Graeme Hancock and him having this. debate which wasn't a debate and yelling. like Zahi flipped out um earlier in the. day. But you know we asked him that. question. I've heard him given that.

answer so many times. You ask him about. the anything precision or logistics you. know or these these difficult to explain. topics. That's the response. It is. It's. basically they tried really hard, therefore they did. And it's it's I it. drives me nutty. He's not the only one. who gives that response, by the way. That's that's that's a pretty stock. standard answer to anything where you. say, "Well, how did they move a thousand. ton statue a,000 miles, which is what. they did at one point." Um, or how did. they build the pyramid so precisely or. whatever? Or how did they do it in the.

time frame? No, no, national project. They just really wanted to. And it's the. the response are good examples like the. Apollo like let's assume I mean the. Apollo 11 the Apollo program right going. to the moon that was a that was a. national project at the time there was a. huge amount of resources put towards it. from a relative to what NASA is today. but we didn't just [ __ ] all come. together with a big you know piece of. fabric and fling some people at the moon. there's tech there's technology involved. right you can't do it without the. technology that's that's the aspect of. that answer that annoys me it's like no.

you I don't care how hard Try try does. not get you like precise down to within. a thousandth of a of an inch or in in. the case of one of these vases 4/10 of a. micron or 610 of a micron. It's that's. the most extreme precision I've seen on. one of them. >> Well, it's interesting too that these. vases these small things that you can. hold in your hand are evidence of this. incredible technology. >> when these enormous statues also exist. But you don't think of the voses as.

being the thing that's the smoking gun. But it kind of is. >> They are. It's it because they it's. because they predate the donastic. Egyptians because they were buried with. those people. They exist. We know they. existed in those times. You can't do. that with the big statues, but it's I. have a whole long two-hour talk about. how these things connect to those things. like the tube drills and the precision. and the machining. It's the same. technique. It's the stone types. I mean. there god there are there are a bunch of. like tuba drills on the great pyramid. A.

whole bunch of them. People don't know. about them or where they are but I've. got pictures and I can show people. The. statues show the same machining marks. The statues reflect the same precision. The boxes the the the obelisks a lot of. the stonework reflect the same thing as. well. The same tools were used. The same. precision shows up. And in pretty much. all of those cases. the oldest and the best examples of all. of those things are typically also the. oldest. Like it's like the the the best. examples of the oldest. >> Yeah. The single piece columns are.

absolutely incredible. Like those. >> the Romans didn't make columns like. that. Like the fact that these columns. of granite in Egypt, >> I mean they start off wide and they get. narrower and narrow and narrow and then. they flare out at the top and it's all a. single piece. And that means that the. entire piece that was quarried had to be. as wide as the widest part at the top. and then machine down. These columns. have freaking vertical they have lathe. centering points on them. Like there's. like a like imagine it's like 150 tons. turning on a vertical lathe or something. that they did to create some of these. things. >> So there's points that show that it was.

on a lathe. >> Oh, it was definitely centering points. at Yeah. on these columns. There's a. forest of them laying out at Tannis and. you can see it on the end points. And. it's. >> Can we show that? That's nuts. >> And what is the weight of these things? >> Oh, up to I mean I imagine the bigger. ones are maybe 150 tons, 200 tons. They. and you have these existing on old. kingdom sites like Sakara, Giza, Abusa, the single piece columns. They are also. on sites later on that are attributed to. the new kingdom, places like the Lux. temple or Carak. However, I think that.

those places had a granite core and an. infrastructure there already and then. those kings of the new kingdom, Si the first, Marinar, Ramsey's II built. around them. And you can see the. difference in technology of what's in. the granite core with the giant obelisks. and the columns and the granite. buildings that look like the valley. temple and the old structures. Then. outside of that, it's all sandstone and. it's blocks. And they made giant. columns, too, but they're made from. blocks of sandstone. They would stack. them up and shave them down. It's a much.

softer stone. And making blocks out of. rounds and just, you know, making. columns out of rounds is way easier than. trying to build a single flared, you. know, um, granite column. And even the. Romans. I mean, it has to have been something. like that. I It can't have been that all. the way cuz you have uh actually Jamie, in that precision large. um directory, there's a picture of a. column end like it's I'm standing next. to this amazing end piece, but some of. them are faceted. So, it can't have all.

been lathe work, right? They have little. they have little buttresses and. features, but certainly the column of. the lathe, the circular part could have. been done or the the column the uh the. center of the column could have been. done on a lathe. I'm sorry. Uh yeah, it's it's fascinating. I mean, >> how big is this lathe? >> Huge. I mean, this Chris Dunn thinks. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the columns. I'm standing next to. Uh that's at. Tannis. And if you flip through, there's. there's like a column end point. That's. Yeah, there's an end there. So, see. this? There's a hole in the wow.

>> in the tip. >> So you have you have lot This is a place. called Temple of Bastet and there were. forests of these things. Like look at. that thing with that. >> that thing is one of the most. >> Look at that. >> That's one of my favorite artifacts in. all of Egypt. It is. >> immaculate. That that the faceting. Look. at that that bullnose that runs up the. center of that frond of the palm cuz. these are like palm shaped pillars. >> I mean it tapers. It's thick on one end. and it thins right down to the end and. it's exactly the same on either side. I. on each of these fronds. I I would love.

to get there and scan this thing. Uh one. of my favorite pieces and you just had. like I mean probably hundreds of these. things on these sites. I mean even and. it goes back in time again. This is from. this is these are pic these are columns. from Sakara and um Abusia which are all. old kingdom sites. So again these are. existing in the early times. They didn't. build columns like this later in the. civilization. They built them with um. sandstone pieces. >> Go back to those images again, please. >> Look how crazy that looks.

>> Yeah. >> One solid piece of granite. >> Yeah. And flared. >> Even the Romans who who by all accounts. had far superior technology to the. Egyptians. They had force multipliers, they had iron, they had all sorts of. mathematical skill they got from the. Greeks. They've built they built single. piece granite. um uh pillars, but they. but they were they were tapered the. whole way. Like they and they weren't. anything as precise. They're quite. rough. If you go you've been to the. Pantheon, this one's one of my.

favorites. >> Um this is called Pompei's Pillar. You. can see the dude standing at the bottom. Like this is like I've actually got a. picture of me there as well, but it's. >> Yeah. You see that dude at the bottom? >> Yeah. >> Zoom out so we can see the whole thing. with him. >> It's not working. There we There it is. >> Look at that. >> So, I think that's been a re that's a. reworked column that the Romans reworked. and they either they carved that head. top uh or it's a separate stone. I'm not. actually sure, but this is um this is in.

Alexandria in Egypt, but huge. >> And where did that come from? >> And so this is how they do it. Uh that's. I don't I mean it's Aswanian granite. It's but it's it's like a thousand. kilometers away. >> So then when you get to New Kingdom. >> So that's what this is what they Yes. So. this is the stacked rounds of sandstone. and this is I always like to show people. this corner of car cuz it's an. unfinished column on the end there. >> You can see how they did it. They'd. stack up those blocks and they basically. shave it down. >> and they would end up and this is.

imitation too, right? This is the other. key. >> thing you see even with the vases they. would I mean people knew what was. sophistic like anyone who works with. stone whether you're primitive or not. you see see an artifact like that or one. of those statues or a column out of. stone you're like holy [ __ ] how did they. do that? So you it's from the gods, right? I'm going to imitate it and I'm. going to try and replicate it. And so. they were doing their best to replicate. and imitate um. >> but with sandstone. >> with sandstone and in a in a. technological method that they were. capable of, which is to put blocks of. sandstone up,

>> shave it down and make it make it look. like one of these columns. >> And they did great work, right? Don't. get me wrong. >> Car is this is the great sort of hyper. style hall at Carach. It's phenomenal. >> and it is the work of the new kingdom. Um, but it still pales in technological. significance to like the older stuff, the single piece stuff. But it's. fabulous. Like this is I love the. Carneak is one of my favorite places. because you have all those examples. right in front of you of like high-tech. and then low tech. >> And so by New Kingdom, what year?

>> Uh, so like uh 14 1500 BC. >> is. >> so even then they're still doing. spectacular stuff. It's just not as. sophisticated. It was by all right by. all against the old kingdom or in the. new kingdom that was Egypt's height like. the height of the donastic Egyptian. civilization like Ramsy's II in. particular who like always call him the. you know the the greatest of the. Egyptian kings they would Egypt had the. most power most wealth the most ability. to do that sort of work so they built.

these great temples and it just it's. very very clear yeah this is that. Pompe's pillar that they call it it's. very clear that um they built them. around and on top of existing. infrastructure. >> In fact, at Carak, which is attributed. to Ramsy's II, I mean, you. >> again, the devils in the details, you. have the names of kings that go back all. the way to the Old Kingdom on various. structures. You also at one point at. that in that hall where they've pulled. up a massive floor tile underneath the.

ground at the bottom there is a is a. column base. It's another like an older. and white calite column base that is the. same sort of column base that you see on. the very oldest of sites. >> which tells you there was a columned. hall here before and either got. destroyed or knocked down but the whole. place was rebuilt. you you you see this. evidence for these layers of. infrastructure on these sites that tells. you, okay, this is you. It's like. looking at these ancient sites, you. always have to keep that that in the. back of your head like, all right, there's been thousands of years of not.

only inheritance, but renovation and. reuse and claiming like it's. >> it's you know, people have asked me if I. think the statues are so old, how come. they look like dynastic Egyptians? >> I think the answer is it's the other way. around. I think the donastic Egyptians. look like the statues. So if you imagine. there's there's evidence for like five. or six of these giant thousand ton. statues which are the typical stuff you. see at Luxor with the you know the.

headjet and the the nemesis crown or the. big the bowling pin thing on the head. and they're always in that iconic. symbolic style of ancient Egypt. >> Can you go to some of those? >> Yeah, I have the precision large has. probably got the statues. Um and imagine. that you are a tribal culture that's. emerging from the dark from this this. stone age but you have this history and. these legends of these stories and you. come across Yeah. So this iconic this. iconic look and again this stretches. back this is an old kingdom stat is. attributed to this is made of diorite by.

the way this is called cuff throne one. of my favorite statues with the columns. from from sakara in the backgrounds. >> this is made out of that same impossibly. hard stone. >> yes it's like a 6.5 to a seven on the mo. scale and it's it's phen this is an. incredible statue. >> and this is has exhibits that facial. symmetry as well. >> it looks like it I've not seen the. actual scans from this but this thing. actually has tubular drill marks and and. saw cuts in it, too. So, it's it's got. between his heels is a you see the. remnants of a tube drill. >> Keep that there, please.

>> I've probably got a picture of that in. my machining directory of the actual the. tube drill between the heels. And then. in the legs on the inside, you can. actually see overcuts like a saw cuts. from where there was they they cut too. deeply into this insanely hard stone and. it's it's overrun, which is if you were. doing this by hand, that's a mistake. you'd have to be making for about 4. hours, you know, to actually get the the. depth of the cut. But if you had some. sort of power tool that was moving. removing material quickly, it's you can. overcut in there and and there's like.

little mistakes. >> Go to the full of of this, please. >> Yeah. So your thoughts are that the. Egyptians were imitating these ancient. looks? >> Yes. I think they I think they inherited. their iconography. from the things the artifacts that they. that they gained in like statues like. this uh and also the thousand ton. versions of statues like this. And I. mean if you look at their art style, this is one of the things that blows my. mind. It's it's it's like across that.

3,000year civilization. >> that iconography didn't change very. much. Like it's the same look and you. and and how do the kings draw themselves. on the walls? They're always trying to. position themselves as being one of the. gods, right? They always talk about. eventually they got this. >> aura of divinity. You became a god like. the pharaohs became divine. That wasn't. always the case, but they grew into that. over time as that civilization. progressed. And they always match. themselves and they try to make. themselves look like the gods. And again. eventually once you get hubris and ego.

involved and some of these really big. really rich kings you're like damn it I. am one of the gods. Put my name on his. statue that's how I want to be. remembered. And that's there were. multiple goi the first did it his son. Ramsy's II his son Marinara particularly. in the new kingdom. I mean. >> Petri called Ramsay's the great usurper. That's was his name for him because he. was putting his name on everything. trying to label himself as one of the. kings. And. >> I think if you you look at that I can. from from the old kingdom through to the. tomic era it's the same like they're.

they're depicting themselves as one of. these gods who are always depicted in. the same way. And that's that's like. that's part of it from day one like it. feels like. So and I think where do you. get that picture from? >> It's like that uh the uh what's the the. what's the the poem from Percy Shelly? uh Oussie Mandius look on my works you. mighty in despair like it's literally a. poem by Percy Shelley that talks about. it he actually gets it from I think. Deiodora an account of Deiodora Cichulus.

coming across one of these statues in. the desert that's a thousand tons it's. like a a weary traveler in a desert of. in an unknown land comes along two two. vast and trunkless legs of stone over. like nearby a shattered visage lies. still like sort of sneer full of sneer. and arrogance and it's it's basically. written upon this uh stone are the words. my name is Oussie Mandandyas king of. kings look on my work ye mighty in. despair. and there the endless sand stretch far.

away it's I mean I'm paraphrasing. >> people are dicks. >> especially when they become kings there. it is. >> look on my works ye mighty and despair. >> nothing beside remains round and round. okay that colossal wreck boundless and. bare the lone and level sand so it's. like if you imagine you come across in. in the in the sand in the desert and you. find the remnants of a thousand ton st. have you have you probably I'm sure. you've seen pictures of the ramiseum in. the thousand ton statues like there's. four or five of them at least that.

happened but they're incredible single. piece stone statues that were moved in. some cases up to a thousand like 600 700. miles. >> away I have them in I have them in a. colossal directory. >> size of them. >> and did they fall from earthquakes is. that speculation. >> I suspect either that or uh the hands of. men. I think it was like I think with. enough dudes with enough leverage, you. can probably eat that thing over and and. it'll crack when it falls. >> And I think it's they were definitely. there was a long period of them.

destroying all the gods and all the icon. and all the. >> you know the the false idols of the. past. Of course, >> there at a place called Tannis, there's. a foot there's a giant foot that I can't. I mean, my whole astresh hand wouldn't. fit in the toenail and it's a repurposed. block of granite and Petri found it. And. there's other pieces of this statue. So, we know it was a a statue that had it. been standing, it's about the same size. as the Statue of Liberty without the. pedestal. Um the foot's about the same. size to give it a a frame of reference.

And that thing's made from Aswanian. granite. Now Tannis is in the north and. asan's and it's it's north of car like. it's up in the delta towards the. Mediterranean and and Kai's down here. It's like 1,000 km. So someone at some. point took a at least 1,000 ton probably. more like 1500 ton block of stone cuz. they didn't finish them. They didn't. ship them finished. We know they. finished stuff on site like a thousand. kilometers north. There's an even better example Jamie. I. think in the in the.

>> is that the the foot. >> uh the foot at Tannis? No, that's it. there. The first one. Yeah, in my um. >> I was looking I didn't see it. >> in the massive uh Yeah, >> just. actually my my video thumbnail down the. ancient tennis largest stone statue ever. made. >> Which one? >> Uh uh uh giant huge objects. Huge. objects. Yeah, there you go. So there's go up one. That's the foot there. So you can see that's the It's actually.

It's funny cuz this box block's been. repurposed. It's been cut off on both. sides and used as a block in a wall. They cut the front off it and the back. off it and stuck it in and rebuilt it. with this thing. This uh there's a. picture of the whole arm when it was put. together in that directory. So that's a. giant thumb. >> Wow. >> Holding a scroll and they put the whole. arm together. There's I got one picture. of it one time I was there. They put the. whole arm together and that is probably. the most impressive example. Uh,

it's in there, I'm sure. Let's see. It's. that down, down, down. Yep. Up, up. One. There you go. Yeah. So, this this is uh. it's made from composite quartzite. So, this is at Carak. This is one of several. of statues of this size at Carach. And. what's impressive about this, they. actually they put this together for one. year, then they took it apart cuz and I. got told that it was because they didn't. People were freaking out about how big. this must have been. They didn't kind of. It gives a sense of scale and people. like, "What the [ __ ] How are they doing. this?" So they took it apart again, but.

you can still see the thumb there today. So it's turned on its side. Now what's. cool about this is is that it's a. straight arm. So a lot of those statues. like the one at the Ramosum, they're. seated. So they always have their their. elbows bent at their knees. >> This thing was standing. So it was a. standing statue, thousand tons made from. composite quartzite, which is in a lot. of ways more difficult to work than. granite. It's a very hard compressed. form of sandstone. It's like 6.5 to 7, but it's full of flint. It's a stone. carver's nightmare. It's It's like you.

can see the chunks of flint in the. stone. But they somehow worked that. surface just with no problem going over. flint which is seven seven and a half on. the most scale. The trick with this. statue is where that stone came from. That's so Carac in the south as for. granite bit further south. Composite. quartzite doesn't come from Aswan. It. comes from the Red Mountains north of. Cairo. And the tricky part here is that the. Nile River flows north, right? So it's. it's like people it's because it's north. that people like, "Oh, it's flowing up.".

But it flows to the north. So they had. to take the block for that thing. I'd. say 1,500 tons easy. They had to bring. that up river up river 600 miles or. something. 500 miles. >> Wow. >> I don't know how you explain that. And. there's certainly no depictions of them. doing that. That's that is that is a a. logistical feat. I mean it's I don't. know how you can rival it. >> It was a national project.

>> Don't you get it? >> They just. >> don't you get it? >> Just a national project. They really. wanted to. Dude, it. >> Well, it's one of those really amazing. mysteries because the actual facts of it. are so spectacular that it defies any. conventional explanation to the point. where it it opens up people to the. possibility that maybe we don't know it. Um, almost every anyone listening to. this that's even remotely reasonable. that sees that goes, "Okay,

I think I think this picture is a lot. bigger than we thought it was.". >> Yeah. That's honestly my response to it. too is I don't know how they did this. I. you can't do it prim primitive fashion. like we literally tried like we've had. the thundersstone is the other is the. >> how would they even do it today. >> hydraulics and diesel power like huge. bar I mean I I didn't even know you try. to move I mean it's like makes newspaper. headlines when they shift a load of like. 150 tons on a on a truck somewhere I a. thousand tons these days. >> tons 1500 tons I mean we have cranes we.

have the capability but it's usually by. water on a giant I don't know if we. could how we transport a load like that. over anything other than water. >> Imagine the wooden boat and how hard. those dudes are rowing. >> up river too. >> Not only that, how deep is the water? And when you're dealing with 150 tons, how far does it sink? >> You know what I mean? >> Displacement. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> How much of a boat do you need? And can. you fit a boat that wide. >> in the in parts of the Nile? You can,

but I'll tell you this, and I've looked. at this, >> that you sure as [ __ ] can't do it at the. quarry because. >> this is what they say. You go to the. quarry, and this is an example I like to. give people all the time. The unfinished. obelisk, >> you know, at the Asan quarry, it's like. 1,200 tons, more or less, like 10 tons. off or something. >> They will tell you that, oh yeah, so. this this low area in the quarry, that's. the harbor. >> where they park the boat to take the to. take the stone. I mean, you just there. is no chance that you could put that. thing on a boat that even would it's.

it's like this is not in the realms of. possibility for a boat to displace. enough water to take a load like that. obelisk. It would literally just be this. giant klunk. It would just it just can't. happen. And what's more, that quarry or. that that harbor in the quarry. that isn't a harbor. They that's an. extraction. They pulled a [ __ ] block. out of there the same size as the. obelisk. It's and it's gone. You can see. it. I show it's an offlimits area to the.

quarry, but we kind of get in there. every time. >> So, someone somehow pulled that off. >> It's already been done 100%. We know it. has cuz we've got the statues of blocks. of that size and and tonnage have been. have been successfully transported and. shaped. However, in that place they call. the quarry in the harbor, it is it's all. scoop marks. It's the same technology. And here's where it gets wild is that. that there's you can see the extraction. that's come out. It's massive like. basically like the obelis, the. unfinished obelis. So something like an.

order of 12 to,300 tons in a piece got. pulled out of there. And on in the. corner right up at the end where you see. the boxy end of whatever this was was. taken out on the wall there's red ochre. painting. It's paintings of like emus or. flamingos and some other dolphins and. other stuff. And it it's an identical. match for the art style and paintings. that you find on pre-dynnastic pottery. that comes from the Carter culture and. before. It's exactly the same. It's not.

it's not dynastic Egyptian. It's. pre-dynastic artwork that's been. >> put on the wall. I hope I have pictures. of that. I know I do on here. Um it's I. actually have a video called um it's. it's I have a video where we look at all. this on my channel, but it is it's the. exact same artwork that you see on the. the vessel. So it's to me it's an. indication of there was a primitive. these people that were there are living. there in the thousands of years before. the donastic Egyptian civilization rose.

were obviously in that quarry and they. found this convenient wall to put some. artwork on and they painted on it which. tells you that well this extraction had. to happen before that right? It had to. have been taken out before that. And how. far before. >> we we don't know. Can't date the stone. So, >> but somebody took a piece like that out. of there 100%. >> With the same technology, the scoop. marks and stuff. >> Um could have you found anything on. that, Jamie? >> Can once you get that, let's look at the. unknown obelisk, too. So, to give people. a unfinished obisk. >> Yeah, the unfinished obelisk is uh.

>> how many feet. >> I have that open now. >> Uh that is definitely in that other. directory. >> Okay, hold on. Uh that's yeah that's the. that's the the video about the obelisk. Um that. >> yeah finish obelisk is how long? >> Oh god it's it's got to be um. I don't know 100 ft long or something. like that. It's a 90 80 90 ft long. I'm. thinking you'll see it in the picture. It's I mean it's a giant giant block. I.

mean so it's not extracted either. That's what I should say. It's it is it. is still attached to the bedrock. So. they were cutting it out and then for. whatever reason they stopped. But if if. you assume that the uh obelisk would. have a square section, which means you. know same width as you know like this a. square section it would have its mass. with the granite there at like 2.7 tons. per cubic meter is is roughly 1,200. tons. >> Did they stop because it was cracked or. did. >> that's what they say. >> That's what they say. I don't think so. I don't think that it doesn't to me.

that's hard to say whether it was. cracked or not. It was people tried to. quarry it after. There wasn't much. attempt made to query. I don't know why. you would even if it cracked. Why not. use it? If it's actually part if it was. done during donastic Egypt, I mean, you've done all that work. You've cut. out the trenches on all of it around. You could cut pieces out of that. It'. take way less work. You want to get a. smaller piece of stone for something. else, just cut it. >> Like you should use it. But it that's. not that's not what happened. >> Unless their technology was so. sophisticated that what they wanted was.

very specific and they could just do it. again. >> Yeah. And maybe it didn't crack. I think. that's an example like you do see on a. lot of these sites like the cerapium, like the Assyrian at the quarry that. something happened that meant tools. down. Yeah. So here's the painting. This. is this is the pictographs. Um those are. the paintings and if you compare that to. what's on like the p-donastic vases, you'll see exactly the same thing. >> Now so these depictions of flamingos, um. was it possible to date the paint that. they used?

>> I think you probably could. I don't know. if anybody ever has. I'd love to see. that done. Um, yeah, I would love for that to happen. That's that's a very good point because. it's it just there's a few things in. Egypt where I'm like, why don't we date. that? >> Sorry, Jamie. Scroll down a little bit. >> that scoopy thing. No, uh, below that. Yeah, they're right. there. What's that? >> So, that's another piece near um in the. quarry. And this is puts the light of. the stupid uh pounding stone theory of. um of uh of how they explain this in the.

mainstream because these scoop marks. they tell you are pounding stones. This. is another big piece. This is probably. we guess this piece it was probably. going to be like a smaller seated statue. but still something's maybe 150 tons. And they were they were cutting this. out. So this you can see this is the. process of like carving out underneath. it. >> Mhm. And so you can get in these. trenches and and and the scoop marks are. crazy though because they they extend. basically from the top of the wall like. 15 ft straight down these these ridges.

They go along the ground under and then. up on the roof side. So if you're p. you're pounding you would have been. doing this pounding up to pound that. out. And it also it's a very sharp turn. on the inside. There's some it's the. result of some tool like. >> also someone's got to be underneath it. when it finally cracks loose. >> Yep. That would not Yep. Not don't want. the draw that short straw. Thank you. very much. Yeah, we take people down into that area. around this uh block every time. It's. great. And there's. >> very bizarre looking. >> and you can grab that stone and whack at. it and just see how how little effect.

you'll have with the I mean, you know, >> but those stones were is that an example. of what they are trying to claim was. used? >> Yes. >> How long would that take? So, is that. the unfinished obelisk? >> That is the unfinished obelisk. >> And so, where is that sucker cracked? >> So, there's couple cracks, right? So, this is the thing that there's there's. attempts at quarrying that have been. made. It's it's I think it's that crack. up the towards the top. >> Mhm. >> Um is what they say how it cracked, but. we don't know how. >> We don't know if it cracked after the. fact either. >> It's possible that I mean like a lot of.

these places that it was a tools down. situation just something happened to. stop whether it was civil unrest, cataclysm, >> right? >> And this thing was buried too. Like. that's that's the thing. There was a lot. of quarrying that happened after this at. higher levels. Like so this is you got. to imagine when you go to this quarry. it's like they've cut the top off a. granite mountain they've taken so much. granite out of there huge granite. mountain so to get down to you know this. sort of high quality granite which is. not surface level granite you have to go. 10 12 15 m into granite to get blocks.

that are even possible to be. >> that's this size or this you know one. single piece and in fact even now like. you can see like all of this has changed. this is not there's no staircase all of. that that gravel up to the north of that. has all been moved. We're still clearing. the site out or they are. But when this. was first discovered, it was buried in. like 7 8 m of quarry rubble from all of. the quarrying that had happened above it. and around it like for thousands of. years. The Egyptians, the Romans.

>> Yeah. This was buried. >> How'd they know it was there? >> Well, so there was there was like an. edge one little edge piece poking out. >> like what the hell is this? And then it. was uh Howard, it was it was Flender's. Petri's assistant who actually excavated. that site and he had to like split a. bunch of big blocks to even get it out. of the way. It took him forever, but. they eventually uncovered it all. Yeah. >> Wow. >> But it was the back end of it. Like. seven, eight mters of rubble that they. had to clear out. I mean Yeah. >> That's nuts. >> Yeah, it is. It's And to me, it's like.

it's quite plausible. It's a possibility. that that was there. It was done. also. quite possible that there's more of that. stuff out there. >> Oh, for sure. I mean, there's many more. quaries. This is this is just because. that's in the quarry. That's the quarry. that's sort of been cleared and made. available for tourists, but just tons of. quaries. Like there's Yeah, these are. great pictures. Um that's the the dual. image. This is uh. >> when it first popped out. Yeah. So, they. had this section of and they're like, "Wow, this is something else." But and. so what happened with the pounding. stones are really interesting because.

there were thousands of them on the. site, these round stones. However, the. vast majority of them were broken. They. were split. And God, I'm blanking on the. name of the guy who excavated the site. Um, however, he was like, "Huh, how come. these are all broken?" And he tried to. break them. So, he stood up on like a, you know, 15 ft up and he's hurling. these stones down onto the granite. Bang. bang. Had to do it like 10 times and. eventually he cracks a chip off on them. because they're they're dollarite. They're hard. They are harder stone. And.

look, you will eventually create enough. dust eventually. I mean, it's it's like. the there actually have been studies. done. Uh Dennis Stocks did a study and. it's the volume. It's basically you. remove about I think it was 2/3 the. volume of a golf ball in an hour of. pounding. >> Yo. >> So, not a lot. >> Not a lot. >> Yeah. And if you can imagine, I like to. tell people it's like you can only fit. like, you know, these these trenches.

around this col. It's not like you can. put a thousand dudes in there. They got. to sit in there like one person in one. spot and dudes. And so all you have to. do is imagine all of that space being. filled up with golf balls. Add another. third for the, you know, cuz it's 2/3 of. golf ball. And then maybe add another. half again to that to account for the. negative space between the balls. That's. how many hours it would take, which is, I mean, decades of effort. Like it's not. it's not remotely possible to do it in. any reasonable time frame. People can't. and pounding stones is like come on.

>> How do you break it free? >> Well, that's the issue. >> Who's underneath it when they're. pounding? Like how does. >> that's what I think these balls were. So. I think the re they're very difficult to. break. They've taken away all the broken. ones. The only ones on site now are. these like little nice rounded ones. And. even then you you can't do it from all. in a couple. You have to kind of let it. go and catch it and you would your arms. would burn out in no time. me. But I. think the reason so many were broken. I. actually I think and you can actually. see this in the in the harbor area. There are these channels that I think.

they cut under them. You can see the. remnants of them where they took the big. extraction out. And I suspect what they. did was they would shove these balls of. dollar in there and it would provide. them enough movement or just enough. support where they could they could cut. the rest of the of the whatever scoop. out or remove the the other attachment. points. And then you're also once you. get out of that trench, you can now. shift this thing ever so slightly to get. whatever you would need to get under it. to lift it up out of there. Because. that's. >> the other problem with the obelisk is.

like it's on an angle. >> And I mean the trench is going to be. when it's complete. They didn't they had. only dug down two 2/3 as deep as they. needed to go. So that trench at its its. thickest point would have been like 12. 15 feet deep. down there. And you got to get under it. So you still it's on an angle. You have. to lift that thing up 15 20 feet up in. the air to get it out of the trench and. then somehow move it to get into this. rocky crazy environment to move it to. get it somewhere to then take it. wherever else you're taking it. But.

you'd have to be able to maneuver. I. think I honestly think those dollarite. balls could have been used as primitive. ball bearings that would just that's all. they were used for was to support it. while you cut it free and then. >> and then it would a lot of them would. have snapped in half under the mass of. something like that which explains why. so many of them were broken. >> cuz you ain't broken those things by. pounding on them like it's just not. going to break. >> Well, that actually makes sense that. they were used as some sort of a ball. bearing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. But even so, even if that's the.

case, like how what. >> well how you lifting it? What are you. doing to lift that obelisk out? >> How many people are involved? If it's. just manual labor, >> you cannot fit enough people around that. obelisk to even come close. Like not you. probably not even to get 10% of the. amount of pe like. >> it's so it's such a rocky weirdness. You. can't fit that many people around it. today. I have no idea how they I mean I. don't think they were doing this without. the expectation that they could get it. done. You know what I mean? >> But what kind of conventional. explanation is this there for this?

>> There's n it's just gloss over it. We. don't know. They say we don't know. >> They don't address the realities of the. thousand tons. I've not seen anyone. address those realities. Well, okay. So. they do. and there's and it's like with logistics. they will show you pictures where the. Egyptians are moving something that is. 100 tons or 150 tons and say see now. that's not how logistics works like so. for example with the statues we know.

they scale right up to you know thousand. tons or more there is a picture on a. tomb of a guy named Djuti Hoteep and. I've got this in the statues directory I. think it's It's a painting on a wall and. it's it's it's a it's a sled with this. statue and there is like, you know, rows. of guys. They've got the, you know, the. imprint of dudes behind dudes and. they're all pulling on a rope. No. pulleys. Again, they didn't have force. multipliers. They were just straight. pulling wooden levers, a wooden sled. They're dragging this statue. In the. case of this statue, we know about this.

statue. There's pieces of it left. It. was made from alabaster calsite. It's. not as heavy as granite, but it probably. weighed the the the estimate of how much. it weighed was 57 tons, which is quite a. load. It's respectable, right? And you. can imagine, but with enough labor and. on a sled, this is it. This is a 57 ton. statue. There's a guy pouring something. on the sand or in front of them. So, you. can count all these dudes in the shadows. of the dudes behind them on these ropes. And so, there's a figure about it. And. there's been papers written about this. There's literally I think um a Japanese.

team wrote a paper about what would it. would take to do this and okay this is. possible for 57 tons with enough people. enough horsepower you can do it now it's. not like that scales up on like a linear. increase in difficulty to something. that's a thousand tons it's more of a. logarithmic exponential curve you cannot. you cannot take this explanation and. apply it to something that's a thousand. tons times as heavy co the friction. coefficient goes through the roof that. those sleds would literally just drive. into the ground. You can't you get to.

you're in you're in realms of mass where. it's like material failure becomes a. problem. Wood is no longer sufficient to. support that. You cannot you certainly. can't move it up any slopes. You have to. do all this ground preparation work to. even attempt it. And they move these. things like a thousand kilometers. >> If there's a place that you could go. back in time and see that is it. That is. it. >> Yeah. Quarry would be a good one. God, if you could go back in time just to see. construction just I guess quarry,

>> but I mean I mean pyramids. >> How are you lifting things? What are you. doing? What what are what is your. machinery look like? You must have some. >> some kind of technology that is just. dust in the wind now. >> It has to be because we've tried this. like there's an Do you know about the. Thunderstone? You heard of this thing? >> No. >> Okay. So. >> Oh, no. I did hear about this. >> Yeah. So in like the 1700s I think it. was pre-industrial age. Well, at the. early days, but no diesel power, no. hydraulics, and this is the. Thunderstone. So, we did like in Russia, they moved this thing from Finland to.

Russia. It's at St. Petersburg. They. carved it as they went. It's the it's. the base now for I think a bronze statue. of of of Peter the Great. But this is. how they did it. And and so basically, you can see the cap stands, the the. twist things these dudes are working on. They're rotating. They would dig these. giant holes to anchor these big logs in. the ground to then use pulleys and force. multipliers with dudes on giant rails. And then they would have these huge big. iron rails that they would put on the. ground and carry back and forth. And the.

whole thing was was moving on these. bronze spheres, these big giant bowling. ball sized spheres of bronze. And on a. good day, they'd move this thing 150 m. >> uh three what's that? Uh 450 ft. >> Still pretty impressive. >> Yeah. But it took them years and years. And then and and it's this thing weighed. around 1500 tons. >> It's interesting that using bronze. spheres, you know, >> brass spheres, I'm sorry. >> Whatever metal spheres, >> which is very similar to what you're. describing with the obelisk, >> right? But there's again you when you.

compare the level of technology here to. ancient Egypt ain't there's nothing. There's they have they show you what. they did with that duty hotep image. It's a wooden sled. No force. multipliers, no cap stands, no pulleys, no none of that. Just dudes yanking on a. rope. There's no evidence they use. pulley. >> Pouring water on the sand to make it. slippery, >> milk or whatever, right? Oil, who knows? It's it's just stupid. You can't take. you cannot explain it when it took us. everything they had for years and years. to to move that. And by the way, they. did they took that across the Gulf of. Finland. And it wasn't on some little.

river barge either. They built a giant. platform. Took them a year to build it. And then they had to put warships on. either side of it to keep it balanced. It's massive to even plop this thing in. the center and hope that they got this. thing over to to Russia to then move it. the rest of the way. So, >> it ain't no barge carrying a thousand. tons down the Nile. >> No, >> it's nuts. Something happened. >> So, it's all so fascinating. And. something happened is actually the only. answer we have. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> I would agree. >> Yeah. Ben, you're awesome, man. I.

really, really appreciate you coming on. here. Your channel, Uncharted X, fantastic channel. So much good content. How long have you been doing it now? I've been doing this. I I mean I quit my. job 10 10 years ago, but not I mean. Uncharted X. >> God, you had the courage to do that. >> It was a big old step. The wife was. like, "What are you doing?". >> I know, but look, you were right. It. worked out. >> I am super grateful that it's worked. out. And in fact, I I want to I mean, obviously, thank you for the hospitality. and the invite. And I genuinely also. think, >> dude, I I've come full circle with this.

a little bit. like I what got me into it. in the first place genu I mean I was. always interested but it wasn't until. Graham's first who I've gotten to know. very well over the years I love that man. >> it wasn't until his first appearance on. your podcast back in the old days like. was it 2011 2012 something like that. >> one first real guests. >> that was just me and Duncan that one. >> you and Duncan right at your was it at. your house. >> at my house that was when I was doing it. at my house. >> that one was what really I mean after. that I followed him really closely I.

went to Peru Peru and Bolivia with him. in 2013 and then 2015 I went with him to. Egypt. So it's like the fact that I'm. here talking to you now. You you started. me on this and it's it's come full. circle. So thank you for that and and. the fact that you are interested in this. topic I think is such a boon to everyone. else out there that you know you get to. spread the word and and and it's it's. just such a benefit to the whole the. whole space. So. >> well I'm so happy that guys like you. took that [ __ ] baton and ran with it. >> But I mean it's been.

>> a wild ride. I love it. >> How I my my answer to all this is who's. not? I don't understand you if you're. not interested in this. How how is this. not unbelievably fascinating? >> Yeah, 100%. I agree. I that's that's. what happened to me. I fell down this. pyramid-shaped hole and I was doing I. mean I had a I had quite a career before. this in the tech world but I mean I'd go. to conferences and tech events and the. second that we're out in the break room. I'm talking about the younger draws and. pyramids and massive statues and all. this [ __ ] Graham Hancock and they're. like this is really interesting. I'm.

like I know. >> it's the it's literally the most. interesting thing about civilization. that time period and the mysteries that. are involved in trying to just decipher. what happened. >> Yeah. It it is the most fascinating time. in history, >> I think. >> Yeah, I'd agree. I'd agree. >> Yeah, phenomenal. >> Again, thank you so much. Thanks for. definitely do this again. >> I would love to. >> Especially if some more information. comes out about the Labyrinth and. hopefully more people, you know, are. also picking up the baton and.

>> more people get involved. I. >> I see that happening. I'm very glad that. that it is. I I'm I'm absolutely I'm. thrilled to see other people getting. into the field. I'm not a I don't see. any of this as it's not competition. And. it's like all it's a rising rising. found. Come on, jump on board. >> You could definitely say you found it. You could Well, everybody will agree. that you found it. >> We didn't talk about the Sphinx and the. stuff in the star shop, but save that. for next. >> Let's do it again then. We'll definitely. do it again. >> I would love to. >> Thank you so much. This was awesome. All. right. Bye, everybody. Byebye.

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