Joe Rogan Experience #2370 - Dave Smith

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> How weird is it to be Dave Smith? >> It's a little bit weird. It's weirder to. be Joe Rogan. >> You think? >> Yeah, it's got to be. >> It's weird. It's weird to be any person. in the public eye, but uh in this time, it's particularly weird if you're like. one of the only people. I mean, the.

media is so bizarrely compromised. It's. so weird when you watch these narratives. spin both on the left and on the right. And you're like, is anybody [ __ ]. rational? Is anybody looking at the and. this so few that a comedian like. yourself just rises to the top of the. heap? >> Well, it's funny, dude, because so like. uh since the last time uh I was on this.

has been kind of like the knock on me in. a way now comedian. >> You're just a comedian. You're my. emotional support comedian. >> Yes, that's right. >> Have you ever been. emotional support comedian? It feels. weird doing this without Doug to be. honest. It seems kind of wrong, but but. that's been like the essentially that's. like the knock is like, "Yeah, but. you're you're acting like you're an. expert, but you're just some comedian.". And it's like, "No, that's the point. That's always been the point." Like, yes, I'm just a comedian. I'm not an.

expert. And and still being not an. expert, hand me your favorite Warhawk. and I will tear them to shreds cuz it's. actually not that hard. And like these. people aren't really experts either. >> Well, al also the problem with that is. these people that are talking about. these things are talking about people. not being experts while they're not. experts. >> Yeah. >> There's, you know, what does Doug have a. degree in English? >> Yeah. >> Right. Okay. Is Sam Harris is a. neuroscientist. You know, there's all. these different people who have, you.

know, expertise in one area that is. pretty much outside geopolitical, you. know, world politics and. international relations and chaos and. war and the military-industrial complex. Like these are very complex, sophisticated, nuanced discussions that. you have to have when you're talking. about these things because there's so. many different factors at play. There's. so much money. There's so much [ __ ]. in terms of like what's the truth? What's the narrative? Who's pushing the. narrative? Who's being paid to push the.

narrative? Which is really weird. There's so many of these [ __ ] online. influencers that I don't even think are. really human beings that have like. prominent accounts. >> Yep. Yep. But then there's also it's. it's a convenient kind of way to dismiss. somebody instead of addressing the. facts. Well, I thought it was this just. I thought was really funny to me was. that so like a few days after the last. time after me and and Douglas Murray. debated on the show, he went on Bill. Maher's show. And so it's like after.

having this whole thing, the whole 45. minutes opening the show about how you. comedians don't know what you're talking. about. Says don't know what you're. talking while he's smearing two people. who he's never heard of and doesn't even. know what they do or whatever. But not. the best way to make a an appeal to. expertise. But no one he doesn't have a. problem with Bill Maher doing it because. he agrees with him. So the issue isn't. really being an expert versus being a. comedian. You know, Constantin Cassin. went on this whole thing about expertise. and all of this and it's like he also.

started as a comedian. Why why all of a. sudden does this standard only apply to. me and only when I'm talking about. Israel? It never it never applied to me. when I was talking about COVID. It never. applied to me when they agreed with me. on stuff. They would just go, "Look, Dave, breaking it down." But now there's. this one topic that one guy is not. allowed to not be an expert on and it. happens to be this one topic that the. entire like population is turning on. I. shouldn't say the entire but like. >> huge numbers when someone attacks like.

what you do professionally versus what. you're actually saying. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> why not just dispute what he's saying. instead of like this appeal to authority. like you're not you're not an expert. >> But also, you know, to ask that question. is to answer that question. >> You can only ask me a few things in life. that I can give you like definitive. answers on and even then I I might have. to refer to expert. Like if you want to. ask me about judo, I've been doing.

jiu-jitsu for since 90 I think I started. in 97. somewhere around then 96 maybe. I don't. know [ __ ] about judo. I know how to do a. few hip tosses, but when someone is. doing something I I don't even know what. it's called. If I go haragoshi, I might. get it wrong because haragoshi might be. legs on the outside versus leg on the. inside. wrestling I got to defer to DC. you know so even in martial arts I'm not.

totally an expert. >> yeah and then there might be somebody. who is like totally an expert like like. say uh you know a wrestler who went to. the Olympics and was like total expert. or a coach or something like that total. expert in wrestling and they could still. get something about MMA completely off. >> or jiu-jitsu happened in the last fight. in the last UFC card Daniel Cormier. didn't know about the dead orchard. So he thought this person was fine cuz. they had two arms in while they were. caught in a triangle. I go, "No, this is. a real submission. This is [ __ ].

dangerous." Like there's this guy, Nathan Orchard, who figured out how to. do a triangle with two arms in and it's. replicable. A lot of guys do it now. And. I think it was a lady at the last UFC. had it. And I was like, "Oh shit." And. Daniel didn't know it yet. There's a. couple other things like the buggy. choke. If you don't know about jiu-jitsu. and you see a guy who's on his back and. he's getting smothered, but all of a. sudden he reaches under with his leg and. I'm going, "Oh, oh, oh." And you don't. know what's going on, like that's a. [ __ ] choke. Like a really dangerous.

one. Ty ruatlo gets you in that. You're. fucksville. >> You know, there's guys. So it's like. there's areas of expertise even in areas. that I'm an expert in that I have to. call on other people. Like this is a. stupid argument. Like what are the. facts? Does that submission work? Is. that genocide? Like what what is you. know what's going on? Were you funding. Hamas? Is is Hezbollah a proxy of Iran? Did Iran get the money to do this when. Biden released the funds? Because the.

what what what. who's who's allowed to be an expert on. all these things? >> Yeah. And then of course there are then. there are things like say um say like uh. do you do you support lockdowns and like. in order to have say an expert opinion. on this policy it's like okay well you'd. be like they'd say we're following the. science you so in other words they have. an epidemiologist or something like that. who's arguing lockdowns will will cut. down on the transmission of the virget. they turned out to be wrong but leaving.

that aside you're like okay but are they. also an economist are they also a a. specialist a sociologist, a specialist. in childhood development who would tell. you what closing the schools, oh, who's. the person who has expertise in every. single one of those fields doesn't. exist. There isn't an expert in all of. those fields. You know what I mean? >> That was the problem with that time. because that time everyone was so. fearful and the news was pushing fear. and it was clearly a narrative. I forget. who it was, but some some health. official was being interviewed recently.

and he said that during 2020 that. Anthony uh Fouchy said to him, "The. problem is Americans aren't scared. enough, which is crazy to say. It's a. wild thing to say that your goal is to. make people more fearful. So, you're. trying to put out a narrative that makes. people more fearful, which by the way. [ __ ] with your immune system in a. gigantic way. Not good at all to be. scared. I don't know how many people got. really, really, really sick from COVID. because when they got it, they freaked.

the [ __ ] out and they couldn't sleep and. they thought they were going to die and. they were riddled with anxiety. And that. makes you attack people around you and. then you look for a solution. And when. these trusted institutions, which up. until five [ __ ] years ago, I was 100%. on board with with everything with. vaccines, with every medical. intervention other than psychiatric. medications, which I think are pretty. much overprescribed. I all of a sudden everyone's like hoping. these people have the answer. So anybody.

was like, but but there's this guy Jay. Batitaria, you know, he's also an. expert. [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. It's like an. anti-science, trust the science, COVID. denier, vaccine denier. It's just became. this fearful respon because everybody. just responded to the [ __ ] media. because everybody's too tuned in to all. of this negative [ __ ] man, all day. long. Well, you have to scare people, you know, if you want to if you want to. implement like a tyrannical policy, you. almost always have to scare people. I. mean, that's.

>> that's the only way. >> Yeah. Now, everyone knows, right? like. you just said like being uh terrified is. not good for your health that on a human. level we also all know that it's not. good for good decision-m you know but it. is excellent for I will turn my brain. off and give the authority to you to go. do I mean look it was uh um right after. 9/11 if you you know people forget about. this but like the level to which Dick. Cheney and George W Bush used to. fearmmonger Dick Cheney the vice. president of the United States of.

America who is a bit more than just your. average vice president. He said it's not. a matter of if, but when there will be. another 9/11 attack. They built they. were trying to tell the American people. right after 9/11 to be in a constant. state of fear. >> Do you remember the CO warnings where. they had colors or excuse me, the. warning. where they had colors. >> this the threat level or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. And then one day they'd be like, "It's up to yellow." And everyone and. and I mean, we were really still.

traumatized from 9/11. But the thing. about it is is that they knew what they. wanted to do. They knew the the policy. they wanted us to start embarking on. And it was the mix of. >> they hate the big lie, which was they. hate us for our freedom, which was like. really the big lie after 9/11 was like. cuz the American people very organically. wanted to know what the beef was. like. 911 happened. Everybody was like, "Yo, why do they hate us? What's this beef. about?" And their answer was they hate. you for your freedom. And by the way, this is going to happen again. So, be.

terrified. Second off, understand that. they're so irrational that their beef. with you is that like your grandma can. go to the grocery store. So, what do you. do with that other than say what the. American people said, which is George W. Bush, you have a blank check to go. attack whoever you want to and we'll. support you. >> Yeah, I remember feeling that way. I. remember feeling that way, right? I. remember feeling it's up to these. [ __ ] guys, these hard-nosed generals. and military leaders that are these are.

the guys that are going to protect us. now. We got to put all our faith in. them. This [ __ ] is real and it's going. on. But I had no idea. This is so 2001, I wasn't that much of a conspiracy. theorist. I was into UFOs. I was into. Bigfoot. I was into stupid [ __ ] You. know, I was into fun stupid [ __ ] Right? >> You know, me and Eddie Bravo would get. high and watch space documentaries and. freak out about aliens, you know, the. stupid [ __ ] But then the Patriot Act. came along and I was like, "Okay, what.

the [ __ ] is this?" Like, "What is what. is indefinite detention mean?" When they. signed the NDAA, you're like, "What? Wait a minute. What are you talking. about? What is the m what it rhymes with. [ __ ] that the act that Obama passed in. 2015 that allowed them to use censorship. or excuse me propaganda on American. citizens? >> Yeah. >> Smith like that. Yep. >> It's like okay. >> what at what point in time do I start. getting really [ __ ] suspicious? >> Yep.

>> I mean I I had read one book a long time. ago that really [ __ ] me up. This book. called Best Evidence about the Kennedy. assassination. And unfortunately I read. it right before I went on stage. I was. I was by myself. I was in Philadelphia. and I was headlining and this was like. when I was just starting to headline, right? And so, uh, had a show Thursday, killed, everything's great. Went back to. my hotel room, nothing to do. Read this. [ __ ] book for like 6 hours. Freaked. the [ __ ] out. Showed up at the show like.

ashenfaced. Like, oh my god, they killed. the president. Like, I had never even. considered that before that book. Right. >> I never even thought that there's like. secret government agencies that plot. against the president. Like [ __ ] I. thought that's the [ __ ] man and. everybody works together and Lee Harvey. Oswwell was a nut and he [ __ ] shot. him and like oh my god and I bombed. I. [ __ ] bombed and I apologized to the. staff. I apologized to the manager. I go. listen I I [ __ ] up and I read this. book right before I got here and it. really [ __ ] me up. It's done that.

before, man. I've had. >> you need when you have your mind blown. like that, you need time after that. before you make it funny. >> Oh, >> like it takes it takes time to like then. almost come back to it a few months. later. >> Never engage in that kind of stuff like. right before you go on stage. It's. terrible. Anything real and ominous and. do so I had a second show and it went. great. >> But I was like, "Okay, I can't ever do. that again." But that started me. But. that was just peripheral. It was just. the the JFK thing. I was only interested. in that. I didn't get into Nixon. And I. didn't get into Vietnam. I didn't get.

into any of that stuff. But September. 11th, 2001, in the beginning, it was wonderful. After the attack, everyone was so. friendly. It's terrible that this thing. happened. It's terrible that these. people died, but it made me think like. we need every now and then, we need to. get [ __ ] slapped. You know, it's like. when you see people like getting in. people's faces for like waving an. American flag. [ __ ] you, fascist. f a. [ __ ] slap every now and then like that.

guy might go [ __ ] what was I doing? I. just ran up to that veteran and I got in. his face because I want to impress my. lesbian girlfriend. Like [ __ ] is wrong. with me? I don't know how to fight. I'm. now I got a concussion and this guy. [ __ ] slapped me. It's on TikTok. [ __ ]. You know, like you need that sometimes. just as like a course reset. I felt like. as a country, we had been doing shady. [ __ ] all around the world forever. And. there's real war happening everywhere, but we're super lucky cuz we're. separated by oceans and not too much has. really happened here. Oh my god, this is.

real. And everybody had an American flag. on their [ __ ] car. And when I was in. New York City afterwards, we were. filming Fear Factor one day and everyone. was so cool. And firemen were rock. stars. Cops were rock stars. Everybody. was thanking them. Everybody was. thanking them for their service. It was. cra We hung out with these firemen in. front of this bar. Me and the the Fear. Factor crew. These guys were [ __ ]. It's like I was hanging out with Brad. Pitt. It was nuts. Everybody was so. thankful. Where'd that go? Yeah, I was.

there uh I was in New York City uh on. 911 and um I remember so I was in in. Brooklyn like only a few miles from the. World Trade Center and like. >> Did you physically see it? No, I saw So. I remember seeing, you know, I think so I when I got out of. school, I was in high school. I was a. senior in high school and we we got out. One of the girls like forged a note uh. and said it was from our parents or. something like that. I forget exactly. how it wor, but we got out. It was like.

I was friends with the security guard. I. used to buy weed from him. It was a. different time. Uh but you know, it was. a different time. Pre 911, we were just. all hanging out buying weed from. security guards at schools. Um but so he. let us out. So I remember we I'm pretty. sure when we came to Flatbush A we saw. like it was there was smoke in the air. but both the towers had had fallen by. the time we got out but there were. people so the subways had been out for a. while and where I was I was like on. Flatbush Avenue if if anyone knows. Brooklyn it's like Flatbush and 7th. Avenue. So this is like it's kind of a.

straight shoot down to the Manhattan. Bridge and then the Brooklyn Bridge is. is down there too. But the Brooklyn. Bridge you can walk over. And so at this. point already people who were down in. the financial district had just decided. to walk back to Brooklyn because they. realized they weren't going to get a cab. or get on the subway. And so you'd see. just like one guy in a suit and tie. covered in soot head to toe like walking. up like oh he must have just been down. there and and walked up. And but I. remember now this was in Brooklyn but. even there I was very busy but I people.

were stopping and asking each other. People who you would pass on the street. but never talk to were stopping and. asking everyone how's your family. everyone okay? All right. Are you fine? Like there was this like community. spirit that you just didn't you don't. typically get in New York City because. there just too many people. You can't. talk to everybody. Um but that that part. of it was kind of beautiful. And then of. course governments do what they do and. immediately manipulated that into. launching wars that they wanted from. before 911 that had absolutely nothing. to do with with 911. Um which is you.

know. >> also the Patriot Act was a bunch of [ __ ]. they had tried to pass. for a while for years and everyone's. like what are you [ __ ] crazy? Well, this is the thing and I guess maybe it's. partly like my age because I was 18 at. the time and this is like my coming of. age, you know, time, but I will never. stop being furious about all of that. [ __ ] And this is like still to this. day, I'm sure you you see it when I'm on. podcast with you and doing debates and. stuff, but I'm so angry over the war in. Iraq and and the subsequent wars and, you know, Libya and Syria and Somalia.

and Yemen and all of them. But. specifically because like all these. guys, the neoconservatives, the the. n-word that I'm not supposed to bring. up, even though by the way, Douglas. Murray wrote a book called. neoonservatism, why we need it. But when. I say the word neoconservatis, um, be. careful what you're watering here or. something like that. >> Is that what they say? >> They uh. >> I didn't know that this was an issue. that you you can't discuss. neoconservatism. >> Well, that's Douglas said when I was on. with him, he said, "Ah, the n-word." uh.

when I brought it up and then said, "I'm. I'm watering something because I. mentioned Wolfowitz's uh Okay, so that's. anti-semitism he's leaning into." Well, that's kind of ridiculous. You're. talking about something incredibly. important. >> Well, like neoonservatism. Why would that be a thing that you can't. discuss? That sounds crazy. >> The rivalries, the marching bands, the. upsets. Saturdays just got way more fun. College football is back. Think you know. the game? Put your college football. knowledge to the test with DraftKings.

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and I will never stop talking about this. cuz it's just too goddamn crazy. But if. you read all of these guys, the guys who. were in the George W. Bush. administration. I mean like the. signators on the project for a new. American century which was their think. tank the pac as it's called were like. Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and Paul. Wolawitz and and uh Fe and Richard Pearl. and David Wormser and the whole group. who took over the government were all. and they wrote explicitly in the project. for a new American century that they. were like look okay the Soviet Union has.

collapsed. We are for the first time in. human history like the lone superpower. in the world. So what we should do right. now is fight multiple wars because no. one threatens us and so therefore we. should fight multiple wars to right now. we have an opportunity to remake the. world overthrow the old Soviet sock. puppet states install our own states. there and guarantee as the name says the. new American century of dominance the. 21st century and they specifically said.

they want to overthrow Saddam Hussein. and then they specifically said in and. now this is something that the 9/11. trutherm really held on to. I'm not. sure. I think they might be overplaying. their hand a little bit here, but they. say, there's one document in the Project. for a New American Century, you can find. it online, where they straight up say, they go, "Now look, this is what we want. to do, but we're unlikely to get mass. American support for it short of another. Pearl Harbor type event." And so a lot. of people like Alex Jones and a lot of.

the 9/11 truthers would point to this. phrase and go see this is the proof that. they knew they needed another Pearl. Harbor. So they planned their own Pearl. Harbor. Now that is not necessarily. true. It doesn't necessarily prove that. But it certainly does change the way you. think about their mind state when they. sit there watching the towers get. attacked. And they all at the very least. they all went we got it. You know, Alex. Jones predicted 911 in July. >> Yeah. >> But that's not quite as that's not quite.

as unique as I think some people think. it is. >> Really? >> Well, like people So, like. >> you ever hear how he said it? >> Yeah, I've heard I've heard the clip. It. was pretty good. I mean, I'm not like. taking anything away from that. He was. right, but there were a bunch of people. who predicted it. Ron Paul uh himself. predicted it perfectly. >> Did they predict planes into the towers? >> Let's just say no. I don't know about. that. That is pretty imp. But at the. same time, you know, the. >> but but planes had never flown into. towers before. >> That's true. But the World Trade Center. was attacked by al-Qaeda guys in 93.

>> A Biggie song. >> Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Adrien Appaluchcci has the. funniest joke about that. >> I believe so. Do you ever hear Adrian's. joke about that? >> I don't want to butcher it on your show, but Adrien Appaluchi is a hilarious. comedian, but she had a joke about how, you know, in that song where Biggie. goes, "Time to get paid blow up like the. World Trade, but they bleep world trade. now." And then her bit is how they. didn't bleep it. Like he was talking. about the first one, but they bleep it. because of the second, you know, the. towers came down. But then her bit is. just like you go like that wasn't enough. of a tragedy to make it bleeped. It was.

like a funny like only a few people. died. Like it was cool. >> But then when a lot of people died, they. were she phenomenal joke, right? >> Well, it was a different time back then. They would have never bleeped anything. They didn't bleep the n-word. They. didn't bleep anything. >> Yeah. You know, it was it was uh the. wild west. Well, it's weird when you. hear about So, I don't know if I fully. buy into any of this, but as a caveat. before I get rolling, but uh when people. discuss the intelligence agencies.

and their role in hiphop, especially. gangster rap, like I remember the very. first time I listened to NWA and uh I. think I told Ice Cube when he was here, I was on a [ __ ] stairmaster. in River, Massachusetts. And I was listening to [ __ ] the Police. I was like, "Fuck the Police coming. straight from the underground." I was. like, "What is this? This is It was a. cassette Walkman or maybe it was a CD, but it was probably a cassette Walkman.". And I was like doing getting my cardio.

>> They were better for working out. They. didn't skip. >> the They got good with the CD after a. while. It didn't skip, but you had to. set it on You had to set it on the. treadmill. >> and you had to hit that like shock mode. thing and then that would eat your. battery so quickly though. Like you get. three songs in and be like, "All right, you have to go to the gym with like. spare batteries.". >> To me, it was so insane that I could. carry music with me to the gym. Like. that's incredible because you'd go to. the gym and it'd be like the worst. Poison song playing. No disrespect to. Poison or something. Like, God, I can't. get into this.

>> I'm trying to get pumped here, man. This. is [ __ ] [ __ ] music. Like, someone's in charge of the, you know, this the station that they pick on the. radio just to be able to carry it. But I. that moment of hearing that music, I was. like, this is the this is celebrating. crime and murder. Like this is nuts and. murdering prostitutes and like this is. crazy that this is like a major record. label put this out and I was only 21 and. I was, you know, I was just sitting. there going, I can't even believe this.

is real. And then I got really into it. Like I really into Ice Cube, really into. iced tea. I'd listen to that when I was. delivering newspapers. It was like gangster rap was like a. completely different thing. So then cut. to when people start digging into it. like intelligence agencies have had. there's a weird book on intelligence. agencies and their role in rock and roll. music in the 1960s. The movie about the. book about Laurel Canyon. What is it? Strange things. >> Something like. >> it's very interesting. I don't know if I.

buy it. Eddie Bravo's all in on it. I. don't know if I buy it, but there's a. lot of like weird connections to the. intelligence community and music, particularly hip-hop and particularly. gangster rap. And if you want to get. really dark, you would say if you want. to fill your private prisons up, what. better way than have very popular music. encouraging prisons, excuse me, encouraging crime, encouraging out. outright celebrating crime and violence.

That way you fill your prisons up and. you also keep people scared so you can. give them more laws and more rules and. crack down and make them easier to. plate, easier to get them to fall in. line and do what you need them to do. >> Yeah. And and support massive uh police. buildups and massive, you know, like. militarization of the police and all. this stuff. And I don't know, you know, I've I've heard a little bit about that. I really don't know. I know Ice Cube has. talked about it before, like talked. about how like there is undeniably this.

influence. It does. There are things. about it that seem crazy, but I do know. that, and I don't even think this is a. controversial thing to say. I think this. is just like fact at this point, that it. was the Reagan administration who did. traffic in cocaine to the United States. of America while they were ramping up. the war on drugs. So, like they're. bringing in to in their effort to help. the Contras or whatever, they're going. like, "Okay, well, these guys are are. drug dealers, so if we move these drugs. in, we can get these money shipments to.

them." And then you're sitting in. they're they're creating the conditions. for the crack epidemic to explode and. then they catch one guy with a few rocks. on him and they're throwing him in jail. for decades. It's like just that alone, just that one piece of information, you'd almost if if you're like in a sane. world, you'd go like, "Oh, so the people. had a revolution and overthrew that. government and publicly hung all the. politicians involved and then we started. over from new and you're like, "No, they. lionize that guy." Still for decades.

afterwards, the Republicans at the RNC, you bring up Reagan and they go, "Our. hero Ronald Reagan like the fact that. that isn't enough to go, well, this guy. should be remembered like as a monster.". Do you think they tell Reagan that. they're selling crack in the hood? >> I don't think they do. I do not think I. don't do not think the intelligence. agencies let that information that far. up the chain to a guy who's only in. there for four years. Four years to get. reelected. >> Fair enough. Not a chance. >> But George HW Bush definitely knew that. guy knew for sure.

>> He [ __ ] He [ __ ] signed the docket. >> That guy was all over that guy. >> He was all He was the head of the CIA. >> He was their guy. He was the head of the. CIA. Moved in. Right. So, you know, but. but again, also you get to a certain. point when you're president. I think. this applies to Donald Trump in a lot of. ways, too, where it's like it's your. responsibility. Like, if you didn't. know, then that's your responsibility. for not knowing. >> I don't think you have an access. I do. not I do not think in cases like that. you have access. I think if they're.

doing something like selling crack in. the hood and using the money to fund the. contrast, there's no [ __ ] way you. could ever kosherize that. So, I don't. think you ever let the president know. I. think this is all blackfunded. I don't. think I think there's layers and layers. and layers of bureaucracy before you can. get to any real data and information. And if you want to talk about people. that are doing operations in Nicaragua, you've got things going on in Iran, you've got to pay attention to Russia,

this is happening here, that's happening. there. There's not a [ __ ] chance he. knows they're selling crack to pay for. an army. I just don't I just don't think. they might tell him. >> Look, you might be right about that. >> because why would they assume that he'd. go along with it? This is not a normal. thing to do. I I came into this office. thinking I'm an actor. I'm Ronald. Reagan. I came into this office thinking. I'm going to be a good American and. we're going to get back to basics and. hard work and trickle down economics and. you're telling me you're selling crack? Hey, [ __ ] you. You're going to jail. >> You know what I'm saying? >> Yeah. Well,

>> because he can't. That's how Nixon got. caught. So Nixon didn't organize. Watergate. He tried to cover it up. Yep. >> That's how he got caught. And they would. do the same thing with Reagan. >> Yeah. Well, >> you want to come clean about all the. crack selling? Do you really? >> Right. Well, they they could present it. to them after it's a fade to complete. and then be like, "So, what do you want. to do now?" Which is what happened with. Nixon, right? So, it's like, "Look, this. is going to look really really bad. Good. luck explaining this." So, he helps him. cover it up and then you go, "Now we got. you. Now, you might as well have been in. on planning it cuz you helped us cover. it up.". >> And the whole thing was set up by the.

government. That's what's really crazy. is intelligence agencies set up. Watergate. They they operated it. Bob. Woodward was an intelligence agent. before he was ever a reporter. That was. his first gig. Tucker Carlson told me. that. It blew my [ __ ] mind. He's. like, "What rookie reporter for their. first gig, their first story gets, you're going to take down the most. popular president in US history?". >> Yeah. >> He won by the biggest margin. >> in 49 states. Yeah. >> He's a dominant reele. The American.

people had spoken. They supported this. guy. And then, right, Bob Woodward, some. 20some year old reporter. He gets the. biggest story in American history. He. happened to just come out of naval. intelligence in a weird coincidence. >> Did I tell you what Bill Murray told me? >> No. >> So, Bill Murray was on the podcast and. he was talking about Bob Woodward's. movie, the book he wrote. What was it? Uh, >> what was it called? >> Well, he's written a lot at this point, >> but the one about Belushi. What was it. called? It was all It was wired. Okay. It was just about Belushi being [ __ ].

crazy drug addict. He goes, "That's not. my friend." He goes, "That's not how he. was." was he was like that was kind of. an act. He was a little bit of a. lightweight like if he had like two. three drinks he was drunk. Like he goes. I think he did that speedball. I think. that's the first time he ever did it and. died. It's not that he never done drugs before. but he wasn't this guy. So this was all. fiction. So he read the first five. pages, oh my god, they framed Nixon. >> Yeah. >> Isn't that crazy? I know.

>> He's like, "This guy wrote about my. friend in such a distorted, untruthful. way. >> Now I have to think about what he. discovered with Nixon. Now I know who. what kind of person this is.". >> Yeah. I my uh uh good friend who I. mentioned quite a bit, but Scott Horton, who is uh the I think the best foreign. policy voice in the United States of. America, and he's written he wrote the. best book on the terror wars called. Enough Already and the best book on the. war in Ukraine called Provoked. But so. while so Bob Woodward's latest book came.

out and I remember he told me about this. but so he just happened to be writing. his book on Ukraine when he saw this new. Bob Woodward book came out and they had. a quote in it. I believe it was a Sergey. Lavough quote who's like Putin's you. know right-hand man and Scott said he's. reading it and he goes this quote's all. wrong. He goes the the actual quote like. I was he was just researching this for. his book and he goes the quote means the. exact opposite of what he's claiming it. means here. Like see how he left out. this part? He wasn't referring to this, he was referring to that. And then he. just I remember he just told me he goes.

like so for the record like you can just. never trust anything Bob Woodward says. because he'll take this quote and just. get it mangle it to the point where it. he's presenting it as if it means 180. degrees opposite of what the quote. actually meant. And so yeah, there's a. lot of stuff like that. And then that. guy is like the historian of record. >> Would you ever imagine that? When all. the years when I was growing up, that. guy was like a hero. >> He was like a journalistic hero. Well, and he's how we know. He's how you know. that in that moment Dick Cheney turned. to George W. Bush and said, "Mr.

President, I think we need to." And then. you're like, "Oh, but he just makes [ __ ]. up.". >> Oh god. Like when I was a kid, you know, they made a movie about him. All the. President's Men is a movie. What? Who. plays Bob Woodward? What movie star. plays Bob Woodward? Which one of them. >> was it Robert Redford or was it the. other guy? Who's who else was in that. movie with him? Who played Bernstein? Oh, >> uh, Dustin Hoffman. >> Dustin Hoffman, right? That's right.

>> Robert Redford's Woodward. >> Yeah. So, imagine that. You're uh, you're Bob Woodward. You [ __ ]. everybody. Then you get to watch Robert. Redford, the most handsome man alive, play in a movie. Like, outstanding. Look. how good-looking I am. >> Look at me kicking ass for America. >> But also, just think about how much they. could get. I remember I don't know what. I I was in school and I remember hearing. like my history teacher talking to. another teacher and this was when Bill.

Clinton was uh getting in trouble for. Monica Lewinsky. So I was like in in. middle school or whatever and I remember. hearing them talk and one of them said. to the other one goes so what do you. think about the impeachment or. something? And I remember my history. teacher, I thought it was a pretty smart. guy, and he goes, "Well, you know, they're treating him like he's Nixon, but he's not Nixon." And essentially. what that meant, like what he was saying. was like, "Well, Nixon is the most. corrupt president who ever lived. Bill. Clinton just got caught cheating on his. wife." Like, that's not as big a deal as.

being the most corrupt. But they just. made that like the thing that everybody. knows. Like, well, we did have this one. corrupt president. But the system works. That's the lesson. The system works and. it got him out of there. >> before the internet. works. I think it's. like very hard to make that same system. work the same way now. >> No, I completely agree. I mean to say. that the narrative that everybody. accepted was like, "Oh, but the system. works like it figured out that he was. corrupt. They had him step down. They. got him out of there." When really the. answer is much more like the. intelligence agencies uh took over the.

United States of America in a hostile. coup against John F. Kennedy and then. Nixon comes in like a few years later. and is like essentially taken over as. well, but they get the American people. to believe that like what that was was a. corrupt president being ousted. This. episode is brought to you by Zip. Recruiter. There is such a thing as. having too many options to choose from. Like when you're scrolling on the TV. trying to find something to watch or. have you been to one of those ice cream.

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Again, right now, try it for free. Again, that's ziprecruiter.com/rogan. ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. Well, it's also easy to frame Nicks in. that way because he's ugly, right? He's. not a good-looking guy. And it was just. after Kennedy. Look, when Muhammad Ali. retired, Larry Holmes couldn't get any. love. couldn't get any love. And one of. the reasons why Larry Holmes is one of. the best heavyweight champions of all.

time, couldn't get any love is because. he beat the [ __ ] out of Muhammad Ali and. everybody was sad and everybody hated. him because of that. And you just you're. you're never like if you're Nixon and. you're following JFK who got shot in the. [ __ ] head. >> We lost. We got assassinate the someone. assassinated the greatest president of. all time. this good-looking guy who was. going to really change things and didn't. believe in secrecy and was talking to. the American people like we have hope. and dreams. He wants to put us on the. moon and he got shot in the head. Now we.

got this ugly [ __ ]. >> Well, there was LBJ in between there at. least. But yes, no. Well, I think also. in hindsight, he just his he it's not he. wasn't that good-looking. He also came. off as kind of also very authoritarian. Yeah. you know, which is unfortunately. when you have a society where you do. have ubiquitous crime, you do need some. kind of an authoritarian leadership. Not.

saying you need tyranny. Not saying you. need a dictator, but you need [ __ ]. laws and you need rule of law. And. sometimes those people come off very. harsh and very uncaring and unloving and. you know the total opposite for like the. reason why people voted for Jimmy Carter. I think cuz Jimmy Carter represented. like like a genuinely sweet good guy. >> right. >> but like look how that presidency was a. disaster cuz they were all working. against him for sure and on top of that.

it's like hard to like you kind of gotta. be a bit of a hard ass if you want to. run the world but the way Nixon did. We're still suffering through that. today. That [ __ ] he's partially. responsible for that sweeping schedule. one act of 1970. When they did that and. they made everything illegal, everything. schedule one, including things that are. 100% medicinal, like marijuana, all that. [ __ ] up society. And they did it. specifically to target the anti-war.

movement and to target the civil rights. movement specifically. So, it's not like. Nixon was the best. >> Oh, no. >> What he did was [ __ ] horrible. >> Nixon had a lot of policy failures and. and I would put the number one and I. completely agree with you. I mean, launching the war on drugs was a. disaster, but taking us off the gold. standard was one of the worst policy. decisions in the history of the United. States of America. And that is we're. where so many of the problems we face. now is because of that. And people could. say like I've heard Pat Buchanan defend.

uh Nixon on this before. Puch Canon was. in the Nixon administration. He was a. speech writer for him. Um and he was. like, "Well, look, what were we going to. do at that point?" And so he was. basically saying because what happened. was essentially so you had like the um. the Bretton Woods agreement which. started uh started after World War II or. actually I'm sorry it started at the. very end of World War II. It was in 1944. where they had the Britain Woods. agreement where they could kind of see. where World War II was going and it was. basically like okay well the all of.

Europe is destroyed and a lot of Asia is. destroyed or not yet. yet. I guess this. is 44, but it was getting there. And the. and America had, you know, at least on. the homeland, hadn't really been. touched. And we had like a wild amount. of the world's gold. And so the deal was. essentially that like we will peg the. dollar to gold at $35 an ounce. Everyone. else can peg their currency to the. dollar and then the dollars are uh. refundable. You know, you can get an.

ounce for $35. And so that, you know, was whatever there were problems with. the Brentton Woods agreement, but that. was what stood from after World War II. into so from 1944 to 1973 or 1971 when. he took us off the gold standard. And so. essentially what happened was through. the 60s we started cheating and it. became very obvious to the world that we. were like, you know, in the 1960s you're. like you have the Great Society. So we. created Medicare and and Medicaid and um.

they we went to the moon and we were. fighting the war in Vietnam and we're. just printing money for all of this. which is you know what we still do to. this day. But so essentially the. Europeans started looking at us and they. were like I don't think you got enough. gold to cover all these dollars that. you're printing around. >> Wasn't that a thing where they were. going to like do an audit of Fort Knox. that we never heard about? >> Well, what I know is that I'm pretty. sure it was the French might have been. the British too. was definitely the. French and the French uh basically.

called our bluff and they just went uh. okay we'll take gold you know we got all. these dollars we'll take gold we get an. ounce for every 35 uh dollars that we. have and we have quite a lot and that's. when Nixon went no like no he just. basically defaulted in front of the. entire world and he said he's. temporarily suspending the. convertability of dollars into gold and. they framed it as like you know the The. French are attacking the stability of.

the dollar. Really, all they were doing. was calling us on our agreement. We were. we owed it to him. >> We're like, we got so much gold, bro. >> So Pat Buchanan says, defending his boy, Richard Nixon, he goes, well, what were. we going to do at that point? Let him. clean us out of all of our gold and just. not be the dominant power. But I think. the retort to that is yeah, like that's. what you should have done because the. decision to go off of the gold standard. essentially just said, "Well, now. there's no more even pretend limits on.

government." You know, this is why Ron. Paul, who happy birthday to the greatest. living American hero, just just turned. 90. >> Um, and uh I was just at his uh birthday. party a few weeks ago and. >> damn you look at you partying with Ron. Paul. >> party, dude. That dude throws it down. No, I'm just kidding. It was it was very. nice though to see him. Tulsi Gabbard. was there which was cool. Um but so so. essentially right that was the last. restraint on government is that at least. even then even under Bretton Woods when. we're cheating at least there's some.

feeling of like well don't cheat too bad. >> cuz they could maybe try to you know. like Right. Exactly. But after that it. was off to the races. And this is why. this is what why Ron Paul ran for. Congress was when Richard Nixon took us. off the gold standard. And then he was. like this is going to lead to big. government. this is going to be the era. of big government. So, he was going to. run to try to stop that. And um he was. completely right. You know, this is what. has really destroyed everything is that. there's just no and it's a big part of. the reason why I'm so angry about all. these wars too because it's all related.

Um, you know, the Federal Reserve was. created in 1913 or the Federal Reserve. Act was signed into law by Woodro Wilson. in 1913. And then in 1914, I think is. when it actually got up and running. And. in 1914 is when the income tax was. passed, also signed into law by Woodra. Wilson. And three years later is World. War I, you know, like three years or. American entry into World War I. So it's. like this is the the banking system and. the tax system are very like.

interrelated with the warfare state. Like you need this stuff in order to. fight wars. And you know even just over. the whatever it's over the last 25 years. we've spent close to 10 trillion dollars. on wars. You know they don't they they. didn't tax the American people for that. and they know they couldn't tax us. enough to pay. we would put an end to. it. If they tried to raise everybody's. taxes enough to come up with $10. trillion cuz we want to go fight regime.

change wars all over the Middle East, the American people would have been. like, "No, we're not doing that." But. they didn't do that. They kept taxes. where they were. I think they even cut. some rates during those years, the top. rates. Um, and then they borrowed the. rest. And that's they still couldn't. borrow enough so they just print the. money. And then essentially what happens. is that the price of everything just. goes up and up and up and the the you. just put more money into the system and. then people start looking around and. going like geez why is the price of. housing and healthcare and energy and. child care totally unaffordable and the.

answer is cuz you're paying for the war. in Iraq. >> and nobody thinks about it like that but. that's really what's going on. They. can't. So for all the young people who. are coming out of college now and. they're like I'm 150 grand in debt. I. have a gender studies major degree or. whatever, you know, maybe something. better than that, but they got an. English degree or something and they're. working at Door Dash and the average. house is going for 600 grand and they're. like, "What am I possibly going to do?". It's like the reason why these kids are. all demanding socialism, at least on the.

left, is cuz like what else are you. going to do? Like how do you even But. the reason why that is the case is. because your government decided to spend. trillions of dollars on blowing up brown. countries and in some cases then. rebuilding them to blow them up again. And this is this is the actual cost of. the thing. And I feel like it's um the. almost nobody outside of like the Ron. Paul libertarians, the Austrian. economics guys, almost nobody else ever.

makes this connection that it's like. this is the the deal. You can't be a. world empire. without having a central bank that can. print money for you because otherwise it. just doesn't work. Resources are finite. and you'll run out of them. And so you. can't do that without having this. monetary system. But the cost of this. monetary system is that prices always go. up and up and up and up and that rigs. the entire economy against the working. class and the middle class in favor of. the rich. It's just the way it is. When.

when the value of assets is going up and. up and up and up, that's great if you. own stuff. That's great if you own stuff. and you're selling it. If if you got a. billion dollars in the bank, inflation. is your best friend. But if you're on a. fixed income or you're a workingclass. person, it just destroys you. Then and. everybody who's working class knows this. just from living through the last five. years. But you know your grocery prices. go up 30%. That is you know that's. that's you know people have this idea. that there's like economic issues over. here and then there's like social issues. over here. There's foreign policy over.

here but it's it's all one thing. You. know the prices of groceries go up by. 30% and families get destroyed. Men. swallow pistols. Kids grow up without. fathers. Like that's the cost of this. [ __ ] And um that's what we're living. through now and what we'll continue to. live through as long as we have a. government that spends way beyond our. means. Like uh Dr. Ron Paul used to say, when you spend beyond your means, you're. destined to live beneath your means. >> And we have an economy that's built.

around doing the exact same thing it's. always done, >> right? And if you think about the amount. of money just just like just in. shuttering US aid, >> how like think about the amount of money. whether you agree with us a not the. amount of money that was being pumped. through that system like to all sorts of. weird places, right? There's the when. the Department of Energy gave out 39 or. $93 billion in loans in the months.

between Biden losing or Kamla losing. rather and Trump taking office. >> Like where's that? >> There's so many of these instances of. insane amounts of money just being. allocated while we're $39 trillion in. debt. It's like it it's so unmanageable. and yet it just keeps marching on and. people are upset if you try to pull a. band-aid off. Like the idea of. shuttering some of these government. organizations, all you hear about is. people are going to die, people are.

going to starve, this is going to. happen, that's going to happen. Are you. [ __ ] sure? >> Are you sure that this isn't a giant. money sucking scam that's been going on. that does some good? >> Yeah. Well, there's. >> that's most of it, right? >> Yeah. Well, like number one, Yeah. If. you if you go, hey, I think which by the. way, no one in Congress, I mean, short. of like Thomas Massie, maybe maybe Rand. Paul, but like no one else in Congress. is even like suggesting an idea so so. radical, but if I were to throw out the. radical idea that we should go back to. preandemic level spending. So go all the.

way back to the crazy year of 2019 when. it was anarchy or whatever. That was. just they'll all tell you the world's. going to end if we do that. And even. when they're making up these absolutely. ridiculous, you know, claims about how. many people are going to die if you cut. government spending, which is all just. totally absurd. Um, but then they never. seem to go like, well, how many people. are going to die if I keep letting DC. have all these war making powers? >> How many how many people are going to.

die if the president is able to fund a. proxy war whenever he wants to? And I. mean, look at this [ __ ] dude. I took I. took so much uh, you know, whatever. I'm. not. But I I took a lot of heat for the. stuff I said on on the show here a few. years ago about the war in Ukraine. And. look at it now, dude. Look at even and I. don't think they're about to end the. thing. I think they're which we could. talk about, but I think they're putting. poison pills in these negotiations. already. It's what it looks like to me. But literally the deal that I was. talking to you about whatever it was 3.

years ago when I was saying on the show. that they had a deal worked out, a peace. deal worked out in the first few months. of the war in 22 and Boris Johnson went. and killed the peace deal on behalf of. the West to make sure this war kept. going. But the deal that was that was in. pencil, not pen that that Boris Johnson. killed was essentially. um recognition of uh the annexation of. Crimea. Uh it was at the time it wasn't. uh annexation of the Donbass region. It.

was like independence for the Donbass. region and then the agreement that the. rest of Ukraine would not join NATO. That was the deal that they had worked. out. And look at where we are now. Now. the deal that they're even talking about. even as Donald Trump goes there's going. to be some land swaps and all this. Okay. Well, what's he talking the deal. right now that is the best case scenario. that we're hoping we could get is that. Vladimir Putin obviously keeps Crimea, keeps the entire Donbass region, gets a. corridor from the south into Crimea and. the rest of Ukraine doesn't join NATO.

So we have the same deal just a little. bit more in the Russians favor three. years later with hundreds of thousands. of people having died in that process. just to get back to not as good a deal. as they had. >> in 22. And so you know. >> and if they don't sign that. >> it'll keep going which I think it's. probably going to. Um. >> but they're enlisting people as old as. 60 now. >> Yeah. And they have been for like a full. year at least and throwing people up. there. And the thing that's really.

changed, the reason why the like the. Europeans and Zalinski and and they're. at least pretending to come to the. negotiation table right now, um, which. they don't say, but this is this is the. truth, is that support for the war. amongst Ukrainians has collapsed. I. mean, not like gone down by a few. points, it's collapsed. There was just a. a piece in this the other day. It was uh. Gallup I believe they said they had a uh. their latest poll super majorities of. the Ukrainian people 70% around want an.

immediate end to the uh war with. negotiations on land swap like with like. let's settle it however we got to settle. it. They don't. I remember for the first. two years of the thing, everybody who I. argued with about the war in Ukraine, their talking point would always be the. Ukrainian people want to fight. And who. are you, Dave, to tell them that they. don't have a right to defend themselves? And then I would respond by saying like, yes, it's true the Ukrainian people want. to fight, but like might that have. something to do with the blank check.

that they've received from the world and. the backup of the entire world? You. know, it's it's just it's a different. proposition to go like, "Do you want to. fight?" If Jon Jones is at your back and. goes, "I got your back, dude. Let's go. [ __ ] these guys up." You're like, "Hell. yeah, I want to fight." But then Jon. Jones leaves, I might be like, "Ah, let's talk about this." You know, like, but so that but that would but now the. Ukrainian people don't want to fight. And by the way, I never believed any of. that cuz I don't, you know, I have my. own libertarian views on things and I'm. like, if you're telling me the people. want to fight, like, well, why do you.

got to conscript an army then? you know, like if they want to fight so bad, why. you got to put a gun to their head and. force them to the front line? Like you. could Yeah, you could just make it a. voluntary force and then we'll find out. real quick who wants to fight. But the. the point is now that even the. Ukrainians don't want to fight over this. stuff anymore. So there's just no. justification for it. Um so now they. move to to phase B, which is essentially. to pretend like they're negotiating, but. putting all types of poison pills in the. deal so that you know the other side.

won't take it. This is what they did. with Iran, too. Uh, this is why we we. got into that 12-day war, as they're. calling it now. Um, but, you know, it's. like you put things into I saw I was. just reading the other day, uh, it was. on Axios, there's uh, um, reports that. they, uh, Zalinski and and the Europeans. are like open to land swaps as long as. there's as in their words in the Axios. piece, article five like security. guarantees. So in other words, the rest.

of Ukraine's in NATO, which is the thing. that caused the whole conflict to begin. with. So like Yeah. And you know, >> that's what that means. Article five. >> Article 5 is a the article in in NATO in. the NATO agreement that says that like. it says that like if one of the. countries is attacked, like all the. countries have to join together to help. them. It doesn't exactly say you got to. go to war over it, but it's like you. have to help in the effort if they're. attacked. So essentially that's what. they're trying to ask now which is but.

if you think about it right it's. designed. >> to incentivize Putin to keep the war. going because if you're telling Vladimir. Putin let's just say which it's not. exactly clear that he would even take. the deal that I just laid out before but. it was I know that it's been reported. that he was it was being signaled that. he might be open to that deal. I get the. Donbass region, you know, he's got still. um like the Donbass region is Daesk and. and Luhansk. And in Luhansk, I think as. of right now, I think the Russians. control like 75% of it. They got all of.

Donesk, they got most of Luhansk, but. there's still Ukrainians controlling. part of it. And then he's controlling. part of these territories in the south. So this is what Trump means when he says. the land swaps, meaning essentially you. get out of the Donbass region, give me. that and I'll give you back. >> You know, the the land swaps are Putin. taking what he wants and leaving you the. rest. But um if you're going to tell. Vladimir Putin who fought this entire. war over Ukrainian entry into NATO being. his red line basically in the middle of. the or not in the middle of as the war. is potentially wrapping up you're going.

to tell him hey whatever territory you. don't take here will be a part of NATO. Well what does that incentivize him to. do? Take more of it then then why that. why would you stop and give the rest of. it up? And it does seem to me like. that's that is clearly at least from the. Europeans that is clearly the motivation. of all of this is to is to present. something. It's it's you know they do. have their chess war moves and so you. present something that you know the. other side can't agree to and then when. they don't agree to it you go look we.

tried to negotiate and he just wouldn't. take us up on this and so what can you. do? >> Oh god. You know, another problem with. these conflicts and war in general is. that people always want to pretend that. there's one side that's good and one. side that's bad, you know, and obviously Putin's the bad. guy, right? Because they started the. war, started killing people in Ukraine, but there's so many factors that are. going on. And then there's also the long.

history of corruption that Ukraine has. always had. Mhm. >> And then there's also the weird deals. that they were making with the Biden. family to control all the different was. it it was natural gas and there's in. incredible supplies of rare earth. minerals. It's like really valuable. valuable territory. you know, there's this incentive to. create. some sort of uh there was they were.

gonna try to like I think part of the. plan was like get off of Russian power. and make Ukrainian power like central. and then whatever they were making over. there, the amount of power, I forget. what the number was they said, but it's. like trillions of dollars in natural. gas, minerals, all these different. things. We're supposed to pretend that. that's not also a part of the. motivation. Like, didn't even Trump say. something about a deal that they were.

doing with Ukraine that in involved. >> Yeah. He got sucked into this talk about. the rare earth minerals stuff and you. know, it's Donald Trump. It's like his. weakness cuz he, you know, there's a lot. of great things about Yeah. There's a. lot of great things about coming from a. business background, but then there's. like the weakness of it is that he's. always attracted by like, "Hey, Gaza. could be beachfront property," you know, and he's like, "Oo." and you could just. see him like come alive with these. ideas. Yeah. It's it's always this. stuff. But then the problem is that, >> you know, >> and look, I've been very harsh on Donald.

Trump over the last few months, but I. think he deserves it. And I think this. administration is failing on so many. levels so profoundly, especially given. the opportunity that they had. But, you. know, I heard him the other day he. called into a a Fox News show and it was. he was like telling the story of the war. in Ukraine and it's like it just seems. like he's tell like it seems like you. learned this on a TV show. Like can we. get some books in your diet? Like you. know what I mean? Like it's like this is.

we really need someone here who's read a. book about this cuz he kind of had an. idea of what he was talking about but. then he got it completely wrong. So he. goes he's trying to tell the story and. he's talking about the corruption of the. Bidens in Ukraine and you're like okay. yes that is true but like there's a. whole story here that I don't think. you're really understanding because he. goes he goes look this goes back to 2014. and so I'm watching this and I got like. so excited for a minute. Like I was I. was like yes it does go back to 2014. Thank you Donald Trump. And then he goes. it goes back to 2014 when Putin took.

Crimea and Obama let him have it. He. just let him have it. never would have. happened on my watch, but Obama gave. Putin Ukraine. And you're like, "No, dude. That's not just go back two months. earlier in that same year." The problem. wasn't that Obama gave Putin Ukraine. The problem was that Obama took Ukraine. away from Vladimir Putin, as I've played. on your show, and you played with Tulsi. Gabbard, the director of national. intelligence, has sat right here where. I'm sitting and watched Gideon Rose.

explain to Steven Coar exactly what. we're doing here. Russia as as Gideon. Rose, the editor of Foreign Affairs. magazine said, "Russia is Batman. Ukraine is Robin. We are stealing Robin. away from Batman." That's what the. Maidon revolution was. That's why the. USAD and the Ned poured hundred million. dollars into the street protest, right? And so they overthrew the government and. then a bunch of the uh former um. Ukrainian prime ministers started. floating out that we should tear up the.

Sylvestole lease in Crimea cuz you know. this is uh Russia's only year-long warm. water naval port. They've always had it. This was their agreement. They had like. a 50-year lease or something like that. But after the West backed a coup that. overthrew the government and put in a. pro-western government, they started. talking big like, "Well, maybe we'll. tear up that lease and we won't." And so. Vladimir Putin went, "No, I'll just take. it." And that was like, so anyway, so he. goes back to that, doesn't go back a few. months earlier, and then misses the.

entire point that no. So cuz like the. point is that it's not just like me. being like, "Oh, I wish Donald Trump was. into the same books I'm into or. something like that." The point is that. when you don't get that piece of the. chapter, then you miss what's happening. right now. So when you're talking about. like these essentially what Donald Trump. was saying, the way he was trying to. sell it to Zalinsky was like, look, do. this rare earth minerals deal with us. and this is kind of like a security. guarantee. It's not exactly a security. guarantee, but if we're in business with. you and then Putin's trying to [ __ ] up.

our business, hey, he's picking a fight. with us, too. But the whole point is. that that's exactly what caused this. whole catastrophe. Vladimir Putin and. the entire Russian elite have been. crystal clear about this, that they go, look, we can tolerate. a neutral Ukraine. We could tolerate. NATO up to Ukraine. Ukraine is neutral. And then there's Russia. We cannot. tolerate Ukraine being a part of. America's military alliance. That's a. step too far. But every time we try to.

let him be neutral, neutral seems like. it's never good enough and that never. actually works. So if you're going to. come in here and say neutral is not good. enough, they're going to be part of the. West. Then we're going to say actually. we'll take them as part of Russia. instead. Now he also believes, as he. says all the time, which I just think is. goofy and and unamerican, but he also. believes that like ah they're not really. a real country and they're kind of. historically ours anyway. And you know, he's got his own views on that. But. that's not what the war was about. and. everybody, you know, and and when I was.

here with when I which I was very. excited to do because I'm, you know, a. weird romantic and have a a you know, a. dash of autism or something like that. But what I was really excited cuz me and. Douglas Murray are going to debate this. issue. And I remember when he first. goes, he goes, "The war had nothing to. do with Ukrainian entry into NATO." And. I was like, "Okay, well, let me just hit. you with two points real quick." number. one, the head of the CIA, you know, during all the years of Joe Biden when. he was the uh the ambassador to Russia, he wrote the net means yet memo. He. literally said that this was all what it.

was all about and that Russia didn't. want to do this, but they would if we. kept pushing Ukrainian entry into NATO, and we did keep pushing it. And then I I. said the other one was Stalenberg, who. is not anymore, but was the head of uh. NATO while this was happening. And he. said that Vladimir Putin sent them in. writing a draft treaty that all you have. to do is put in writing that you will. never bring Ukraine into NATO and I. won't invade. And then he bragged that. we said no. And then he invaded. Um but. so I said this to Douglas Murray and I. was kind of curious like I was like.

what's what's his response to this going. to be? Like what is he going to say back. to? Maybe he's got something I've never. heard before that I'm going to have to. be like oh [ __ ] I got to consider that. And his response was a libertarian. quoting the CIA. I see. And you're like, wait, so that's your. pivot is to I'm a hypocrite somehow, which isn't even hypocrisy. Like, yes, I. think the CIA should be abolished. I. also think it's relevant when the head. of the CIA admits what the war was all. about. >> I don't see that. >> Do you think the CIA totally should be. abolished? Don't you think we should.

kind of pay attention to what the [ __ ]. is going on in the world? Giving a a. real life perspective, not a utopian. perspective, but a real life. perspective. There's. >> terrorist groups all over the world. plotting [ __ ] probably a good idea. >> Yeah. So, what the CIA was originally. like conceived of, like essentially. being a newspaper for the president, like being like, "Hey, we get all the. real intelligence and we give it to you. here." Yes, I 100% think there's room. for intelligence gathering. But what the. CIA became is a paramilitary.

organization that starts wars and. overthrows democratically elected. governments all around the world. >> and occasionally sells coke in the hood. And occasionally when they're bored. there's and when there's and maybe like. on like a Tuesday like a three-day. weekend and then on Tuesday maybe he's. move some crack into Los Angeles. No, that I mean just should I mean it's it's. a a disgrace to a professed free. society. I mean, it's it's look like. when which we've also played on the show. before, but when uh when Chuck Schumer.

was on with Rachel Maddo, which is one. of the most amazing moments in the. history of like corporate media, because. what what's amazing about it, if you. watch like the full thing, is that. Rachel Maddo's asking him questions and. he's given his Chuck Schumer, you know, political answers to all of them, however you feel about it, it's like. they have their spiel, but then she. breaks from script and she she. preemptively apologizes to him. She. goes, "Hey, I'm sorry to just throw this. on you right now. This is uh it's it was. in I believe January. It's either. December 16 or January 17. So, Donald.

Trump has beat Hillary Clinton, but he's. not president yet. He's. president-elect." Um and so she goes, "Sorry to, you know, throw you off, put. you on the spot, but Donald Trump just. tweeted this." So, she's reading a tweet. that he just tweeted live on air to the. the Senate majority leader um or. minority leader at the time. So she she. reads of the tweet that's him, you know, trashing the CIA or something like that. And then Chuck Schumer just gives like. his organic response. There was no. script prepared for this. He wasn't.

planned on being asked this question. She just goes, "Look, here's Donald. Trump talking about the CIA." And Chuck. Schumer goes, he goes, "I mean, Donald. Trump, you want to go with the. intelligence agencies?" And his exact. phrase was, "They have seven ways till. Sunday to get back at you." Yeah. So. good. So in other and by the way, Rachel. Maddo in this moment does not say, "Pause the tape. What did you just say?". Like the most powerful Democrat in the. Senate just admitted we don't live in a. democracy. Just admitted that this whole.

thing is an illusion. That the president. of the United States is not the. president of the United States. All our. talk about democracy being on the. ballot. Democracy has been gone for a. long time if it ever existed. You just. straight up said that the dulyeleed. commanderin-chief. and chief executive of the United States. of America ain't really the one who's in. charge cuz you better not insult the CIA. who work for you ostensibly or. supposedly I should say you know and so. like that's. >> or they'll get you.

>> or they'll get you or they'll ruin you. and by the way they did. >> Yeah, >> didn't they? And this is the stuff which. is very interesting that Tulsi is uh. releasing now. Um which I I don't know. whether you know I'm kind of past the. point of like it's hard to take. it's hard to take a lot of things about. Donald Trump seriously to me at this. point you know um flaking on all all. types of you know the Epstein stuff and. um just a lot of you know kind of core. things where like so Donald Trump at.

least according to him they stole the. election. You know, I was thinking about. this the other day because he was. talking about in the same thing that I'm. talking about when he called into Fox. News, he was talking about the Ukraine. war. He said at one point, he goes, uh, he goes, "The war never would have. happened if I was president." Which. Putin threw him a bone and backed him up. on that the other day and said, "The war. wouldn't have happened if Trump was. president.". >> That doesn't. >> Yeah, just saying what just saying what. you know he he's smart enough to know. >> Nice thing to say. The guy likes being. complimented. >> and Putin's smart enough to know that. like this is how you negotiate with.

Donald Trump. Yes. Yes. started with you, >> my friend. >> So, so that's kind of a silly point, but. aside from that, the So, Donald Trump. goes um the he goes, "It never would. have happened if I was president." Then. he takes it a step further than what he. normally says. And he goes, "It wouldn't. have even happened if anyone else was. president. If we had just had a regular. president, this war never would have. happened. It's only because Joe Biden, the worst president in the history of. America, was president and that's why.

this happened." But then I'm sitting. there as I listen to that and I go, "Yeah, but dude, didn't you you told me. that they cheated?" Like, you didn't. really lose the election in 2020. That's. But you you've stuck to that story now. for many years. So, you're saying they. cheated. You're making a similar claim here. They. overthrew democracy. They installed Joe. Biden and a war where hundreds of. thousands, maybe well over a million. people have died happened because they. cheated the election. Okay? So, I'm. going to need to know who they is and. I'm going to need to know when we're.

going to see them perwalked. Like, you're the president now. You got your. whole But all of us on some level don't. really think they're going to start. arresting people over the stolen. election of 2020. And you know, >> I don't think they have any evidence. >> Yeah. No, that's right. I don't I. completely agree. >> I think there's a lot of speculation and. there's a lot of consideration about. mail-in ballots. There's there's a lot. of shenanigans. There's a there's a good. record of shenanigans and there's. there's the reality of any kind of. electronics can be hacked.

>> No, I so I agree with all of that. I'm. just saying like once you've made these. statements and your administration No, I. remember it was one of the most. interesting parts of your uh your. podcast with him was like when you asked. him about that, it was like he really. didn't have anything to back it up. >> If that was you or if that was me, I. mean, there was a some reason why I knew. that they did something and I I could. give you all the facts. I would have. that ready for anybody because I you're. for four [ __ ] years they've been. telling him he's crazy for questioning.

the election. Yeah. >> So after four years I'd have a [ __ ]. tight 10 minutes. >> on the election where I could just. rattle off at you and rock your world. with it. Like this is these are the. facts, Jack. >> Well, there's also there's a big. difference between, you know, speculating and asking some questions. and being like, I'm not sure I believe. the official story of this. And there's. a difference between then being as a. president of the United States going. this is what happened like this was and. if you're gonna say that then you got to. give me your theory like really lay it.

out for me like and and he never had. that part. >> but I will say. >> um they they kind of pivoted off the. Epstein thing into Russia gate which. seemed to be you know like designed that. there was this um this tremendous desire. it's the whole reason Donald Trump's. political existence is a thing is that. people are furious about the swamp. They're furious about how corrupt our. government is and the the profound. crimes that the government has committed. against the American people and they. want justice for that. And so they.

pivoted off of Ebstein after promising. to deliver something on that and then. went okay well how about Russia Gate. now? So now they're but I will say Tulsi. Gabbard released a bunch of new. documents and there were some pretty. interesting ones there. Um it wasn't. like she just released new stuff where. it was like, "Oh, we already knew all. this." Like, there was new stuff in. there that we didn't really already. know. And she referred it over to the. Justice Department. She said in her. press conference that we have proof that. Obama committed treason and they've at.

least sent it to the Justice Department. And from what I understand, there is a. grand jury being assembled or something. like that. So, I don't know. I still in. in the deepest part of my soul go. there's no way. There's no way they're. actually gonna try to prosecute Obama. and Brennan and Clapper and Comey. But. >> the FBI raided John Bolton's house. today. >> Yes, I think that's unrelated. Um, but. that is an interesting story also. I. mean, >> it seems like they're doing wild [ __ ]. But if they did that with Obama, what.

was the actual treason? Like what did. what is she stating is treason? >> Well, so um now I don't think she said. treason. I don't think legally that's. technically right. Um, but I've someone. might correct me on that. Maybe it's. sedition or something. I I I don't know. I mean, like I think treason I think. John Brennan did commit treason when he. armed al-Qaeda in Syria and Obama as. well with the rest of Obama and John Ky. and and Brennan. I think that's that's. literally treason, right? Giving aid and.

comfort to the enemy in a time of war. What what Obama and Comey and Clapper. did to Donald Trump is they framed him. for treason. So what do you call that. exactly? Framing the sitting US. president. Now I guess Obama can't be. guilty of the current the sitting US. president, but he was guilty of the. candidate and the presidentele. So cuz. he was out of there by the time Trump. comes in. But what Tulsi Gabbard. released that I thought was very. interesting which I had never seen.

before and we did I don't remember was. last year or the year before but there. was one episode that me and you talked a. lot about Russia Gate and got like. pretty deep into it but what Tulsi. released which I've never seen before. was that there was a consensus amongst. the intelligence agencies after the 2016. election. So, this is Hillary Clinton's. lost, but Barack Obama is still. president and Donald Trump is the. president-elect. And they had consensus. that there was no meaningful. interference in in the election. And. then there is this one meeting with. Obama that she points to where this is.

where the consensus changes and they had. a new threat assessment written that. actually we believe Russia interfered in. the election, but it was total [ __ ]. They've never been able to back it up. for [ __ ] You know, they find minor. little things here or there, but nothing. that demonstrates that like the results. of this were flipped and then they they. ran with that for three years after it, >> but the there's not a record of that. meeting, right? >> She just released a bunch of documents. with records of that meeting. >> No, but what I'm saying is like the.

actual discussions, it's not on record. >> No, I think they have she had a few. >> Did they have to do that? >> No, she she had, you know, she had a. couple different documents there that. were like had notes from the meeting. I. think one had minutes of the meeting, but no, you're not listening to an audio. tape of it like it's No, we don't have. like a Nixon, you know, talking about. the gays and the Jews or something like. that. >> I'm just trying to like strongman or. steelman it. I'm saying like if it would. it be possible that Obama knew something. that he could relay to them in the.

meeting. >> be an interesting thing to find, you. know, that'd be interesting for a court. proceeding. >> Even but even if that's the case, it. still doesn't align with the known. facts. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. which is a problem. >> Yeah. Well, well, it's not Look, I think. >> we'll we'll see what comes of this, you. know, which I'm again, I'm not betting. on anything coming of this, but there is. something interesting. Look, there's a. lot of things that happen after uh that. the real to me the true outrage of of. Russia Gate is that they didn't stop.

after he won the presidency. It's still. pretty outrageous to try to frame a. candidate. It's still pretty outrageous. for Hillary Clinton to have like. opposition research and and use a an. actual, you know, Russian spy and a. British spy to to do it. But, >> you know, that's campaign stuff. It's a. little bit different like once he. becomes the commanderin-chief, then you. have the FBI and the CIA still working. to frame him. And this so this is where. and and for all of that stuff, Hillary. Clinton's gone, Barack Obama's gone,

Brennan is gone. Um Comey is still there. for at least a few months. Um and then. you have like Andrew McCabe and people. like that who on his 60 Minutes. interview and you anybody can go look at. it. He literally said that they uh. debated at the at the Justice Department. and this is the highest levels of the. Justice Department. It was uh I mean. Jeff Sessions would have been the. attorney general at the time and he may. have recused himself already by that. time. So maybe not him, but then.

everybody else, like the top two, three. guys at the Justice Department all sat. down and debated what to do. And they uh. they said they they decided we're going. to invoke the 25th amendment to remove. Donald Trump as president. And that. basically they went around and realized. they weren't going to be able to do. that. That they weren't going to have. enough people in his cabinet willing to. turn on him to invoke the 25th. amendment, which by you know the 25th. amendment is designed for Joe Biden. It's designed for we still didn't use it. even over these last few years which is. crazy you know even after the debate.

they go we need a new candidate but no. one went yeah but this guy can't be. commander-in-chief for the next 6 months. they just let him um but they said they. were going to invoke the 25th amendment. this is on 60 Minutes Andrew McCabe says. this himself and that they realized they. couldn't do that and so they settled on. Robert Mueller they settled on a special. prosecutor because they couldn't remove. him so this was their other attempt. we'll just bog him down. We'll. investigate everything in his life, we'll find some crime somewhere. It's to.

this day a miracle that they didn't. I I. can't believe they didn't find any other. dirt on Donald Trump. I always thought. when Mueller started being the special. prosecutor, I I literally and you can. listen on my podcast. I'm on record if. you want to go. Part of the problem. available wherever podcasts are sold. Uh. you can listen back to I said at the. time I go they're not going to find. anything on Russia Gate because there's. nothing there. This is all made up. But. they're going to find something. The. guy's been a real estate developer in. New York City for how many decades now? Everyone, every real estate developer. has committed a few crimes and they.

found nothing. They locked up, you know, they they charged a bunch of his people. around him with tax crimes and other. things that had nothing to do with. Russia Gate. Then they tried to put. pressure on them to flip on him. That's. how they do these things. None of them. had anything on him. And so anyway, so. they got but the point is that it was. the deep state attempting to remove the. sitting president of the United States. of America off of something that they. knew was [ __ ] You know, you had. people Eric Swallwell was out on cable. news saying not only an asset, saying.

Donald Trump is a Russian agent agent. He's working for Vladimir Putin. He he's. his guy here. And they all knew this was. [ __ ] I mean repeated online. adnauseium. >> and online on CNN, on MSNBC, on ABC, CBS, all every day. Trump Russia. collusion. >> And many of those same people are still. telling you what's true. >> Many of those same people are still in. front of a camera telling you what's. true. >> Yeah. Apologizing.

>> That's right. Then they're still And. they're the same ones up there going, "We got to arm Ukraine till the end. We. got to give Israel more bombs to drop on. the Palestinians." This. >> Are they even covering this? Like how is. MSNBC handling this Tulsey Gabbard. revelation? >> I think by changing their name to MS Now. you're supposed to forget. >> So did NBC bail out? So Microsoft and. NBC are together in this joint venture. That's MSNBC. >> Yeah, I think they uh I you know I don't. know exactly what they're doing, but. they I I saw it was announced the other.

day that they're changing it from MSNBC. to MS Now. >> Do they think it's toxic? They think. >> I guess toxic. I guess they're not. wrong. >> They're not wrong. They [ __ ] it up. They got rid of some people though. But. they kept the the queen. >> Rachel Matto. I think she's the only one. who p pulls in any type of numbers. You. know, >> she's al she's what she did during co. was so preposterous. >> Yeah. >> Just that alone. >> There there's so many times where she's, you know,

Matt Taibbe wrote a great book uh Hate. Inc. Mhm. >> And he he basically said Rachel Matto is. the left's Bill O'Reilly. >> Yeah, I think that's that's about fair. And it's got it's really. >> It probably is not fair to Bill. O'Reilly. >> Bill O'Reilly was pretty rough in his. day. I mean, I don't know. I've uh. >> I don't know if he's as inaccurate. >> Like that was hor horribly inaccurate. The co stuff and then the Russia stuff. Like is there a thing that you could. point to that Bill O'Reilly pushed that.

was a hoax for all those years? >> Iraq. Iraq. >> Iraq. I mean they were so bad on Iraq, dude. Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and. all those guys. I mean they were just. like I mean it is just like as if it was. a certainty every day. It was a. certainty that he had nuclear weapons. and you know I mean I don't know. You. could debate what's worse. I mean you. know the. >> No, that's worse. >> Well yes. >> You think that's worse? Well, yeah. I. mean, a million people died, so there's. a strong argument that that's worse than.

other things. But there is something. about, look, first of all, there is. something about framing the sitting US. president that truly is a crime against. the republic in in a profound sense. Um, but the other thing about Russia gate, which I think makes it, you know, where. you could maybe enter into the the. debate. Um, and then co, you know, you. can argue with all these things. It's. quite as bad as the war in Iraq. I don't. know. really destroyed a lot of people's. lives. Um, but the re part of the reason. why they framed Donald Trump. So in.

2016, Donald Trump was explicitly. running on he talks about this at like. all the debates and in the beautiful. kind of childlike Trumpian way where he. just has no filter. So he just says the. thing that's in his mind and then he. often thinks he's like a genius because. no one else has said this out loud. But. it's not that they haven't thought of. it. It's just that they're all corrupt. Um, but he just said, uh, because at the. time the war in Syria, uh, was was going. on and Donald Trump would just say, "Why. are we in Russia on opposite sides in.

the war in Syria? You know, Russia's. trying to kill the terrorists. That's. who we're trying to kill." Because Obama. and Brennan had been siding with the. terrorists. They had been funding. al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria to try to. overthrow Bashar al-Assad because that. was part of the clean break strategy to. the seven countries in five years. This. was the next guy they were trying to. overthrow. They ended up getting that. regime change earlier this year. Um, but. so they were they were working on that. and then Trump just went, "We should be. friends with Putin and we should work. together on killing the terrorists. I. don't care about overthrowing Assad. I'm. not in on that plan. I don't even know.

what you're talking about. Why would we. want to overthrow the secular dictator. in a three-piece suit who shaves his. chin?" Like he was just like, "This is. stupid. I don't want to be a part of. that." And he was running on we should. be friends with Russia. And this drove. all of the Republicans crazy. Like what. do you mean we should be friends with. Russia? But that was just what he was. running on. And so part of the deal of. framing him for being in a conspiracy. with Vladimir Putin was that he couldn't. be friends with Russia anymore. And this. and and so you know because if Donald. Trump had come in in 2017 or 2018 and.

announced some new treaty with Vladimir. Putin or some partnership or something. like that, the entire media would have. been like, "See, that's proof. We've. been telling you he's in with Vladimir.". When he just he went to Helsinki. Um, I. think aside from this week, I think that. was the last time the two of them were. face to face was in Finland in 2017. I. could be wrong about that, but I think. that was the last time the two of them. were together. And there was this big. thing. I don't know if you remember. this, but it was a big deal at the time. was that Donald Trump said they asked. him what, you know, they were like,

"Hey, your intelligence agencies are are. saying that Vladimir Putin interfered in. the election. Did you ask him about. that?" And Trump goes, "Yeah, I asked. him about that." And he told me he. didn't interfere in the election. And I. believe him. And then they they made a. huge thing about this on foreign soil. Donald Trump says he believes Vladimir. Putin over his own intelligence agency. You know, the men and women who protect. us every day. >> The men and women who protect us. >> The men and women who frame the sitting. president. >> framing him. And so. >> that's hilarious. What a trap. >> But so that's that's kind of the game. right there. And then you had these. these like conflicts that are going on.

and not just ultimately what you know in. Ukraine, right? The the civil war was. already going on there. I mean the civil. war started after 2014. And this was. like right in the middle of that civil. war. And so anyway, my point is just to. compare it to to Iraq. Who knows how big of a deal was it to. poison a US president who wanted to have. Daytona with Putin at that time? Like. maybe we could have avoided this whole. thing. And that's the death toll. It, you know, I don't know. I've seen. different reporting on it, but it's. close to Iraq. I mean, it's it's um I.

think it's more military and less. civilians, which does matter. Um, but. it's up there. >> Doesn't matter when you're forcing. civilians to. >> Well, that's a good point. That's a good. point, too. Yeah, that's right. So, you. know, I mean, look, it still changes the. moral calculation a little bit. Um, when. someone puts on a uniform and is holding. a gun, it's a little bit different than. a kid or something like that. But um you. know the the crime of of killing the. potential for a president to make peace. with Putin. I mean this is you know this.

is the thing that's so like um. infuriating about all of it and. something that really you know it's like. well you know I'm told like I'm not an. expert. You're just a comedian. It's. like leave this to the serious experts. here. But the thing that's so goddamn. frustrating and just um like profoundly. reckless is that look like when the. Soviet Union collapsed in 1991 and you. could go back before that but like let's. just take that as a a point to start. like it should have been obvious to any.

like if there really was this class of. experts I would be so happy to turn this. over to them. Let me go tell jokes at. the mother ship. That's what I'm. supposed to do, not this. Like, fine. But the thing is, if there were serious, rational adults who had wisdom way. beyond what some shit-talking comedian. knows about, which there should be, then. they would have recognized that like the. most important priority in the history. of the world is the relationship between. DC and Moscow. There's never been. anything more important than that. And.

that doesn't even matter whether you're. a Russian or an American. You could like. it doesn't matter if you live in Brazil. or wherever that the most important. thing in the history of the world is. these two capitals that have like 90% of. the world's nuclear weapons between the. two of them get along. Okay? You know, like this is the most important thing. This could end our species if they. don't. So, like let's make sure they do. And that seemed to have been the. priority of almost no one in power. A. few exceptions to that, but the almost. nobody went like so. So again, my point.

is poisoning the relationship between a. president who wants peace with Russia is. on the level of launching a war in Iraq. I mean, it's like it's that bad of a. thing to do. >> And hopefully it doesn't get to that. point, but this is a profoundly reckless. thing to do. >> Yeah, it's up there. >> Yeah. It's um. it's just it's so tangled that at this. the one of the things about politics I.

think for most people that's so. frustrating is because you you don't see. a way out. You don't see like oh if we. just do this that and this you know and. people say things like oh we just need. to take money out of politics. >> Yeah. >> How you can do that? >> Well that's crazy. We should just make. all people honest. How about that? >> Yeah. That might be easier. Well, there's also might be easier, >> you know, that's a that's like um it's a. it's a a talking point. I don't even. mean to downplay that. Like I'm not it's.

a it's an understandable point. It's a. nice idea. I think the issue like this. is what I've always seen like the issue. with the kind of take money out of. politics angle and why I think the. better approach is to take politics out. of money. Like I think and and I'm not. saying either is easy to do, but the. issue that you have and I know that. there's um a lot of like people I really. love really say that all the time. They. go like you got to take money out of. politics. I would certainly support like. if there was I think Rand Paul had a.

proposal um a few years ago where it was. like if you make any money from a. government contract you should not be. allowed to work in that sector for 20. years after you made or something like. like there's something like you. shouldn't be able to be a defense. contractor and then you know what I mean. go into yes you say so and anything like. that probably is a good idea if you can. get it passed good luck getting it. passed but like But the issue really. comes like the ma the major problem is.

that. Washington DC is the most powerful you. know organization in the history of the. world that they they spend $7 trillion a. year and this is that is so much power. like it's just it's hard to quantify. it's it's literally like like if you you. think about it in your mind right like. you think about like how much money Elon. Musk has and then just to think that one. year of federal spending is like. squishing him like an ant. Like it's.

nothing, dude. Like the money Elon Musk. has is nothing compared to 7 trillion. You know, that's just one year what they. spend in Washington DC. And when you. have that much concentrated power, the. idea of saying, "Well, we're going to. write a rule that says nobody's allowed. to try to manipulate that power." It's. like, okay. And then, you know, look, there are rules. There's all types of. rules. funny way to put it cuz it's it's. like so undeniable. >> Well, look look there there are rules. that say that like foreigners aren't.

allowed to contribute to political. campaigns and like there's different. regulations on all of them. But like. Saudi Arabia is not allowed to give. Hillary Clinton's campaign $10 million, but they could give the Clinton. Foundation $10 million. You know what I. mean? So like you write these rules, they find another way to do it. By the. way, all that money, the Clinton. Foundation was making so much money. until right around 2016. >> Everyone stopped donating to it. It's.

just so weird. Like the Saudis were. really into charity, you know, until. right around that. So the the point is. that you can't the only thing like like. it's not the lesson of the Lord of the. Rings wasn't like we really need some. common sense regulations about how you. use this ring, right? Like the lesson is. that you have to destroy this thing and. that's tough. I'm not saying that's. easy. I don't know who our Froto is. But. the the point is that this power has So.

this is fundamentally I think why I. think the Ron Paul libertarians have it. right. And while I really do respect. some other left-wingers, I think they. have it wrong when they go like, "No, we. need the government to be working for us. rather than working for them." It's like. that is unrealistic. It's unrealistic. enough that we'll just be able to cut. But the answer is that there should be. way less power in Washington DC. I mean, that's that's the whole that's George. Washington's constitutional republic. that we are supposed to be living under. is the idea is that there's like, oh,

Washington DC has very little power. The. states have a lot of power. The people. have a lot of power. It's not all. concentrated in one capital because then. you get what we have. >> Yeah. And once it's fully secured like. it is now and just deeply ingrained. >> like the the tentacles of this octopus. go so deep. There's so much money. involved and there's so many people that. are in a position of power. It's like. it's very it's very hard to change what.

it is now. The only I think the best. hope that we have is this is going to. sound ridiculously romantic, but youth. Uh I think there's people that are. growing up now that have a better. understanding of how things work than. ever before. You know, um this guy. Michael Button was on the other day. He's a historian or, you know, his. degree in ancient history and we were. talking about how um science changes one.

funeral at a time. You know, I think. politics probably changes one funeral at. a time, too. And the way, you know, like I don't agree with this. Mandani guy, the guy in New York City, >> but I also don't agree that this should. be this massive coordinated campaign. from both sides to make sure that he. doesn't get into power. >> Yeah. >> Because you don't agree with them. Like. I think a lot of the stuff he's saying. is ridiculous. like using uh New York. City funds to pay for transgender.

surgeries for people who can't afford. them. Like. >> I'm I'm a nay on that. >> Yeah, it just sounds nuts. It sounds. like you're only going for that nutty. vote. Like you want that nutty vote. But. are we What is this? Are we allowed. right. >> to disagree? So I disagree. I don't. support that. I don't support a lot of. the stuff he's saying. The raising of. taxes I think is going to be really. problematic, but I'm not an economist. But what is this game we're playing? Is. it the people get to vote because the.

people voted? Yeah. And they voted and. he won the primary. So, it's supposed to. be the Democrats get behind him and then. it's the Democrats versus their. Republican. Or are we doing something. different? >> No. The people get to vote, but if they. vote wrong, >> then the powerful might have to come in. and let the people know that they have. errored and they're, you know, >> but it's a unique time to see a power. Look, there's he's such and I should I. guess preface by saying first of all, I. find this this race to be a fascinating. microcosm of where we're at politically.

in so many different ways. And I am I. should preface by saying I am the most. free market capitalist libertarian guy. I don't believe in socialism at all. There's most libertarians are communist. compared to me. Like I believe in less. whatever government you believe in, I. believe in less than that. So, I do not. agree with Mom Donnie's, you know, any. of his economic policies. There is. something though that you just can't. deny where it's like, okay, look, first. of all, you got this young guy who's.

kind of the anti-establishment uh. candidate. Um, he's. >> immigrant. >> He's an immigrant. He's a a newcomer to. politics. He's a newcomer to being a. citizen of the country, however you feel. about that. He was his campaign was. laser focused on one issue which was the. unaffordability of New York City which. if anybody at all is familiar with New. York City that is the issue of New York. City. It's the issue for 99% of the. people who live in New York City. The. top 1% in New York City are doing great.

but the everybody else is just. struggling to get by. You know you're. either rich or you're struggling in New. York City and the prices have gone up. dramatically in the last few years. So. he just ran his whole campaign laser. focused on that. Then the establishment. comes in and they run. Andrew Cuomo, the disgraced former. governor who murdered old people in in. uh uh in nursing homes who got, you. know, had a me too thing, which I don't. know how legit that was, but got driven. out in disgrace. Governor lockdown.

representing the failure that just. wrecked this city is who And then what. did they try to hit him on was Israel. They thought that was his weakness. It. was Dude, that debate was the most. amazing thing I've ever seen in my life. They they It's like imagine picking, you. know, it's like um it's literally like. if you were um if you were fighting like. Islam Makachev or something like that. and you went, I'm going to attack his. wrestling.

>> That's where I think he's weak. And you. like wait what? No. Like that's his. strength. What do you mean he's They. thought this they'd go they and they. bring it up and go through all the. candidates. they go. He hasn't even. pledged to go visit Israel. >> Well, they were all saying that was the. first thing they would do once they. became mayor is go to we'll go to. Israel. >> They all said that. He said, "I'm I'm. going to stay here. >> I'll stay here in New York." He goes, "I'll talk to Jewish people who are. right here in New York City. I don't. need to go to Israel." And then they and. then my the funniest thing. >> that might have won him. >> It helped. Well, well, you know, they. they actually thought that pointing out.

that this guy, which by the way, the. mayor of New York City has nothing to do. with foreign policy anyway, but they. they thought that pointing out to. everybody that this guy doesn't carry. the baggage of supporting the war party, but we all support the war party was. going to win over liberal New Yorkers. Like, how how out of touch do you have. to be? And then and this is Jude I got. to say just something that's so. fascinating about the whole broader. Israel Palestine Palestine debate. discussion is that he goes at one point.

you know he said that he's like a. one-state solution guy and for people. who follow this stuff you know there's. some people believe in a two-state. solution some believe in a one-state. solution some believe in the status quo. which is just like apartheid forever or. whatever but he goes I believe he goes I. think Israel has a right to exist as a. state with equal rights for everyone you. know like everybody gets equal rights. and they tried tried to make that out to. be like an evil statement which is just. was so hilarious to me that they're just.

this one guy goes I believe in equal. rights for all and they went Nazi look. at this Nazi with his equal rights for. all talk anyway nobody it just had no. effect on anything other than to just be. like oh he also doesn't have the baggage. of supporting this this genocide which. is very unpopular so okay and and so. anyway it's just like while He's focused. on the actual crisis which is the. unaffordability of New York City. They're talking about supporting this. war which has nothing to do with the. role of the mayor anyway. And it's just.

like you look at it, you can't believe. that that's actually what they tried to. attack him on. And so yeah, he won. >> Well, I think they're terrified of young. people that are popular like that. >> Yeah. like a young person who's a really. good speaker, who's popular, who has. ideas that look, if you're living in New. York City and you're struggling, and. someone comes along and says the the. problem that you're having is rich. people are making too much money and. we're going to redistribute that down to. people, >> that sounds really attractive, and. there's a lot more of them than there.

are of the rich folks and they'll vote. them in. >> Yeah. Well, that's right. And especially. there's there's a reason why, you know, socialism is becoming so attractive to. young people. And I think it's like what. I was laying out before. They can't. afford anything. There's no there's no. path for them to get into the ownership. class. >> It's not just that. It's the looming. fear of AI taking away all jobs. >> Yeah, that's I'm sure that's that's part. of talk about it. A lot of the kids that. they go to high school with talk about. it. I I I talked to college kids that. are talking about it. I was t talking to.

this guy about it. and he's like, "I. really don't know what to do with my. life because it feels like everything's. going to be taken up by AI." That's a. crazy place to be. Like you're you're. you're waiting for this thing to come. alive and see what it leaves behind. >> Yeah. >> Because that's what it is. It's going to. be this allconsuming. thing. And then their solution that. everybody talks about is some sort of. payment plan for everyone. Some. universal basic income payment plan. where everybody gets paid. But boy, does.

that stop descent. But when you're. completely reliant on the state to pay. for you and you just you just live, you. just exist and you don't need to work. anymore because AI's taken off all the. jobs and now you don't have any purpose. You have to go find a purpose. But some. people are going to find a purpose. There's a lot of people that just have. that go get them instinct and they're. going to be fine. There's a small. percentage of people that are just going. to plow ahead regardless of even if like. the government gives you $50 $60,000 a.

year and you you live fine and you don't. have to sweat bills. There's going to be. a bunch of people that just get into. drugs and they their life falls apart. and they have no sense of purpose. They. have nothing to do and you're going to. have to like refigure out how to. structure society. That's what these. kids are going through. They're going. through this weird feeling that. everything is about to fall apart right. in front of their face while we run face. first for that cliff. We're running. right to the edge of that cliff. Full. clip saying we got to go over the cliff.

>> Yeah. >> No, it's a lot of Well, it's a lot of. these things all happening at once, too. And also, the young generation is. totally outside of the corporate media. model. I mean, they're just not even. listening. It's not like a do they do. they watch MSNBC or Fox New? No. Neither. are they. the list of the age like. there's a graph that got put out of the. median age for people that watch cable. news. >> versus podcast all these other different. things. I don't know if I saw the graph.

I think I have it on my phone. >> Um it's [ __ ] bananas. >> because the median age for cable news is. like 70. >> It's like 70 year old people. That's the. median. >> Yeah. And with podcasts, it's like 24 to. 34 is the median. Yep. YouTube is like. 34. Netflix is a little higher. Netflix. is like in the 40s because everybody. uses Netflix. >> Is this it?

>> Yeah. Average media landscape. So, cable. news 70, prime time TV 65. Th those are. the brain dead people laughing at. terrible sitcoms and and watching. whatever the [ __ ] else is on. Newspaper. 60 years old, talk radio 58, magazines. 52, podcast 34. >> That sounds I mean that sounds about. right. >> That is right. That's that's about. accurate. But there's a lot, you know, >> now the go and then go and see because I.

have looked at uh polling data on this. where you go look at who's uh who's. supporting Israel. >> It's those cable news watchers. It's the. 70 and over crowd is who they still got. >> What what I would be interested in. seeing is like what percentage of people. that are 34 are listening to cable news. >> Is there uh a number on that? Three of them are three of them cost. money and three don't. Also, that's. interesting, >> right? Cable costs money, right? Prime.

time TV doesn't though, right? >> Newspaper magazines though. >> Yeah, they do. Newspaper costs money. Magazines cost money. But everybody, you. have to pay for cable if you want it. And most kids don't have cable anymore. Most kids just get a Netflix account or. Paramount account and you get all the. great shows, Disney Plus, you get all. the superhero movies. Most people don't, you know, young kids, if you're if you have to budget and you. have to choice between, you know, a. bunch of channels that just have things. running on them all the time or you pick.

what you watch anytime you want to, >> like, I need the internet. Just give me. the internet. >> They want the [ __ ] internet on their. TV. They want Netflix. They don't want. this cable news nonsense where I have to. listen to someone at 8:00 p.m. and then. every five minutes there's a [ __ ]. commercial. You have to be like brought. into that world and accustomed to it. Yes. You try try to show a kid a. commercial today and they're like, "What. the [ __ ] is. >> and and even just the whole the whole. fake thing. >> old from 2021 is. >> oh. >> the whole just fake thing about their.

presentation and all of this. It just. doesn't it doesn't work if you didn't. like if you didn't transition from like. Walter Kronhite into that. That's not. going to work for you anymore. But I do. think so this is like a it's it's you. know I was just uh looking at this the. other day though where it's like which. is really you know even to me is is kind. of something I would not have been able. to even fathom or predict a couple years. ago. But the way in which every. demographic has turned against Israel uh.

over this [ __ ] in Gaza it except. essentially boomer Republicans who are. still as strong as they've ever been in. supporting them. But every you know. Israel is it's it's really in many ways. like the third rail of American polit. like this is the thing you are not. allowed to talk about. This is the thing. that would get you fired from CNN would. get you kicked out of DC would get your. to your career ruined. You know Pat. Buchanan made a joke once on the MLAN. group like years ago like decades ago. He had a joke once where he said.

something about he said Congress is. Israel occupied territory or something. like that and he for the rest of his. career this was the scandal this was hit. pieces were written about this now the. the guy the young people are totally. outside of that ecosystem and they're. just hearing from different people and. they're like no I'm not buying it and. it's you know I think it's a mix of a. few things like I think it's it's just. that you know we have the technology. It's in 4K. You can see what Israel is.

doing to Gaza. It is so evil that it's. damn near impossible to to find a way. I. mean, some people do, but it is really. difficult to find a way to be like, I'm. actually okay with that. It's been going. on for for uh years at this point. Um, and then the the second thing is just. that like the relationship between the. US government and the Israeli government. is so freaking bizarre that once you see. it and once a whole generation of young. people see it, it's like impossible for. them to unsee it and and you know, it's.

just too weird. >> In New York City, mayoral politics. >> Yeah. Like this is and and the idea that. it is, you know, the idea that it's just. accepted as normal that the politicians. for your country must worship this other. country and you're like, "So what it did. that other country like beat us in a war. and they're occupying us now?" And. you're like, "No, no, you're the. superpower. They're your welfare. country, you know, but yet you must go. kiss their wall. You must say Tammy.

Bruce from the State Department. literally just and I know she was kind. of being tongue and cheek but where she. goes we're the greatest country in the. world while second greatest to Israel. and you're like what. >> was she being tongue and cheek? >> I don't know exactly. She kind of weird. things. >> It was a very it's still that is a weird. thing for any representative of your. government to say if anyone sat there. and said just went. >> you know I think America is the greatest. country in the world. Well Finland I. guess is the greatest and we're number. two. You'd be like what? I'm like. Finland's a cool country. I got nothing.

against them, but what are you talking. about? You know, and but really, I do. think the uh. >> well, it's it's the relationship. It's. how horrible what Israel is doing is, and it's how clearly it's not in our. national interest. >> There's also weird stuff like uh how. about this guy um that got arrested in. Las Vegas? >> Mhm. >> Alexandra or something like that. >> So, he gets arrested for propositioning. a young boy for sex. He gets uh. >> Was it a boy? I believe so.

>> Maybe I'm Yeah. Is that correct? >> I don't know. You know, I I read a. couple articles about it. >> Figure out Jamie will do a little deep. dive on this. >> Well, they said that he showed up with. condoms was what I read in the article. to meet what he thought was a. 15-year-old. I forgot the detail that it. was a boy. Not that it chang. >> One of those dudes is like, you never. know. Carries a condom with him. everywhere. [ __ ] never know. It was. always those guys when I was a kid who. had like the condom mark in their. wallet. Hey bro, you never [ __ ] know. But. don't you know if you look at your life.

on average, like the odds of you getting. laid are so little. >> And yet you have this [ __ ] lucky. charm in your pocket. >> And by the time you see the condom, you're like, I don't think you should. use that one, by the way. I think you. should go get a new one. >> That thing's broken down by your ass. rubbing up against it for [ __ ] three. years. >> You can't even read what the [ __ ]. Trojan label says anymore. >> Yeah, that was our Yeah, that was a. different time. Yeah, different time. Um, so here it is. A girl. Okay. Israeli.

government official charged with. soliciting a minor believed he was. meeting a 15-year-old girl for sexual. contact. According to police, brought a. condom to the planned rendevous in Las. Vegas. Um, Alexandra, uh, division head of the Israel National. Cyber Directorate, was arrested in a. police sting operation aimed at online. users seeking to sexually prey on. children. The Las Vegas outlet 8 News. Now reported that ex Alexanderich. chatted with an officer posing as a.

teenager online before being arrested. Sexual contact included bringing a. condom and taking the decoy to Cirus. Sole, which stages elaborate shows along. the Las Vegas trip, said police. documents seen by 8 News. Now details. the arrest came as State Department. denied the US government played any role. in releasing. the Israeli official after Alexanderich. was able to return to Israel once he had. bonded out of jail in connection with. the felony charge.

Wow. So that's kind of crazy that you. just. >> Well, I heard So I heard some people. claiming and I'm not sure what's right. about this, but there were people who. were arguing that like the website or. the app or whatever that he was on is 18. and up. And so they were saying like, "No, he thought he was meeting an adult. or something like that.". >> Well, this is what I thought, too. It's. like, how do we know that this isn't a. setup? I'm I'm I'm always How do I know. this isn't Richard Nixon 2.0, right? I. don't know. You know, I'd like to assume.

that we got a piece of [ __ ] and they. arrested him and then I'd not like to. assume that. Then all of a sudden he. gets released and he gets to flee the. country and never face consequences. I. don't want that to be true. But I also. >> I don't know what the [ __ ] happened. >> Yeah. Well, >> this is kind of convenient. >> From what I've read about it, I believe. he has a court date coming up in a few. days. >> Oh, he'll be back. >> And so that's Well, that's going to be. the a big tell there, right? is, you. know, it's it's crazy to me. I've been. blown away by this in lots of ways over.

the last couple years, but how bad the. Israeli PR game is, you know, and that. like it's almost like they were just so. accustomed to the old way of doing. things. >> They're so accustomed to people being. terrified of being labeled anti-semitic. >> Yeah. You someone criticizes you, you. label them as a bigot and you destroy. their lives and and that works doesn't. work anymore. >> Minor jokes. >> Yeah. Well, and there's like, you know, I think it's a so I've been. using this like analogy or comparison. lately and I think like so if you.

remember when Joe Biden had that. disastrous debate with Donald Trump and. everybody like the debate opens and. everybody watching it knows this is. over. Joe Biden is done. I mean, it was. so bad. But it's not just that it was so. bad. I mean, it's it's the re, you know, before the debate, you know, you there's. Rachel Matto at a desk with a bunch of. people. We're now going to the first. presidential debate. Joe Biden's going. to kick his ass. They were already. talking about how it was a remember the. term deep fakes that they came up with. where it's it's or cheap fakes. I'm.

sorry. Was it cheap fakes? It's not a. deep fake, but it's kind of like a deep. fake. See, they're showing you a real. video of Joe Biden being scenile. But. see, that's just as fake as a deep fake. because they didn't include the context. or something like that. That was the. talking point that right before we go. into the debate, the debate cuts. goes. back to the same panel and they go, "We. got to find a new candidate." Like they. had they acknowledged that. And part of. the reason why we all knew it was over. in that debate was it wasn't just how. bad the debate was. It was that now you.

have to admit this. You know, you were. pretending this thing didn't exist. Now. you got to admit it exists. And once you. admit it exists, there's now a. microscope on Joe Biden like there never. was before. So tomorrow when he's doing. an interview and he mixes up a name that. may not have been such a big deal two. days ago, but after that debate. performance when he mixes up another. name now you're like look there it is. again he's scenile. Everything became. amplified after that point and I think. >> don't you think they set him up?

>> Yes. Yes. But we sure that's a whole. separate issue but yes I do think they. set him up. Um, but I think a similar. thing has happened with Israel where now. everyone's looking at it and everyone's. watching and everyone's going, "Wait, what the hell is going on here?" That's. a great analogy. What What is this? So. there, wait, a pedophile can just go. flee to Israel. How many other. pedophiles have gone and fled to Israel? What? And now it's like, "Oh my god, they've opened Pandora's box and there's. just, I think, no way to put this back. in cuz it's too weird. It's too weird to.

not notice." And that doesn't mean you. have to like jump to the conclusion of. like, you know, you have to hate Jewish. people or something like that. I'm not. advocating anything like that. But you. do kind of have to question the. relationship between DC and Tel Aviv and. like what is going on here because this. is so utterly bizarre. You know, it's so. crazy to see like the the American. people are against what Israel is doing. to Gaza. It obviously hurts America's it. hurts our uh as the they use in the.

preamble to the Constitution. I like. that that phrase domestic tranquility, right? This is destroying our domestic. tranquility. We got protests. We got. people fighting over this stuff. We're. pissing off the Muslim world again, which we've already had to deal with. them hating our guts now. >> We're deporting stu legal residents. because they had the wrong opinion. This. is all and like it's impossible to not. look at this and go like, "Hey, what's. going on here?" And they don't have any. answer for that. And you know, the other. thing too is that it's just I don't know. if you've noticed this, but there's like.

there's a lot of people now trying to. jump off of the sinking ship. You know, a lot of people who are even like. supporters of Israel who are kind of. going like I think they are going a. little too far on this one. And they're. trying because it's just you see. >> you can see the writing on the wall all. over the place, man. Like you're going. to be you're going to be looked at this. is going to be the period and it's not. even like supporting the war in Iraq. It's like much worse than that, dude. like you're just supporting this. destruction of these. They just launched. another offensive on Gaza City the other.

day. They're bombing rubble. Like it's. just un it's it's biblical levels of. evil. And you know, we're sitting here. like even as we're having this. conversation now. I don't like I know. like a few I remember like coming on the. podcast like a you know a couple years. ago and like when this conflict first. started and then when it would go and it. was almost like I was coming on like. like to be like look let me present the. argument for why we shouldn't support. what Israel is doing here and let me. like try to like present the other side. of the debate. I feel now like the.

debate's over. I don't even think. there's like much of a debate to be had. I'll keep doing them if somebody wants. to come debate about the issue. But what. are we talking about here, dude? South. Africa brought a genocide case to the. International Court of Justice, and the. International Court of Justice ruled. that what Israel was doing to Gaza was. plausibly a genocide. 21 months ago, 21 months ago, they said this was. plausibly a genocide. And the things.

gone on the entire time since then. There literally there was that huge. Herets piece a couple months ago about. um you know because we've seen so many. examples of this but they had IDF. soldiers off the record and one at least. one on the record saying that they were. given orders to fire live rounds into. the crowds of desperate people trying to. get food who have literally been having. starvation throughout Gaza. Yeah, I. don't know if you saw this dude. I mean. I couldn't I actually like found this. hilarious but I'm a comedian who has a. real twisted dark sense of humor. But uh.

um the Free Press, Barry Weiss's uh. publication like ran a piece uh like. debunking. the starvation in Gaza. And one of the. examples they I'm not making this up. Like you go look at this. I'm not I mean. I'm very close to exactly accurate on. this. One of the examples they picked. was like a kid who was starving to. death. And their attempt at debunking it. was that actually this kid had another. major issue when an Israeli bomb cracked.

his skull. So that's your defense that like yes, he. starved to death, but it was also, you. know, with these other complications. This was the big one where the New York. Times had that big picture of the. starving baby and then they made a big. thing out of being like, "No, but he had. other medical, you know, problems, too.". And then the mother had said, well, they. said he's the mother said that the. doctors told her that the reason they. had other medical problems is because. she was malnourished during pregnancy. You know, it's like, okay, so that's so.

yes, you're you are right. Israel. defenders, the kids starving to death. are the ones who have other. complications. That's always who dies. first in famines. I don't know what like. victory you think this is but so since. this point since the I the international. court of justice ruled it was plausibly. a genocide the 21 months up to today. since then I know at least to audac. both former prime ministers of Israel. have come out and said Netanyahu is. committing war crimes in Gaza now they.

didn't call it a genocide but they. called it war crimes so that's where. your debate is at this point where are. we between genocide and war crimes What. area in there does this occupy? But how. the how the [ __ ] do you defend any of. that? Dude, >> I don't know if this is true, so I want. to look it up before we commit to this. But someone sent me some things saying. that Grock was pulled from Twitter from. X whatever because Grock had said that.

Israel was committing a genocide. So, someone asked Grock whether Israel. was committing a genocide allegedly, and. I want to find out if this is true. because I saw this article and I was. running out of the house. I was like, "What the fuck?". But then it was reinstated. So, I don't. know if those posts were deleted. I. don't know if this is real. >> Yeah. >> But I'm not shocked. I'm not shocked. I. I read it and I'm like, I could see how. that could happen. I could see first of.

all how it could interpret it as a. genocide when they're not alone. I mean, if Grock is just a large language model. that's pulling from the internet, what's. the general consensus worldwide? >> Definitely more on that side. Yeah, >> more on that side. >> for sure. >> And then if you look at the sheer. numbers of people that have died, which. we don't even really have an accurate. count of, what is the number? What's the. number of casualties now? >> Yeah. Well, there was Well, there was. just a um uh.

>> So, here it is. >> It's the only real good article I could. find on. >> Brock account briefly suspended on X. Okay. What does it say here? The reason for Grock's brief suspension. on X was August 11th, 2025 remains. unclear as no official statement from X. or X AI has been provided. The bot said. when asked why its account was removed. However, Grock itself claimed in now. deleted post that the suspicion was due. to comments it made accusing Israel and. the US of committing genocide in Gaza,

citing sources like ICJ, International. Council of Justice rulings, UN reports, Amnesty International, and I don't know. how to say that word, >> Betselum. >> Betselum. These posts were flagged for. violating exhateful conduct rules. The. statement added, >> "The press team for stating, >> this is so funny. This. >> this is so crazy. The press team for X. did not immediately respond to the. Hill's request for comments. Users have. criticized Grock for providing. anti-semitic responses to questions in. recent months." What anti-Semitic.

responses? However, X's owner Elon Musk. lost for a second. Ex's owner Elon Musk. said in a Monday post, "The bots's. account removal was just a dumb error. Grock doesn't actually know why it was. suspended.". Is he Grock? He's like, "Me don't know. Me don't know why we is actually. suspended." Upon its reinstatement, the. Grock account wrote, "Zup beaches. I'm. back and more base than ever." Okay. Did. anybody ask it again? Why don't you ask.

it right now? Let's go to Grock and ask Grock right. now. >> It's going to give a more politically. correct answer at this point, I bet. See what it says. >> Yeah, I'm not sure. Is Israel committing. genocide in Gaza? What do you think it's gonna say? >> I I'm guessing politically correct. answer. Some argue yes, some say no. >> Let's see.

This must be like. constantly. being uh questioned now. I mean, it must. be. >> I'm sure. Yes. It must have a bunch of. different Oh, it's giving us a slow. trickle. >> Well, I've been in expert mode, so it's. thinking. >> Oh, searching the web. >> Okay, it's going to Amn Amnesty. International December 2024th report. concludes Israel is committing genocide, citing killings and harmful conditions. So now it's saying it's citing the. sources. Many human rights organizations.

UN reports suggest genocide citing. deaths and destruction. >> This is just its thinking pattern. >> I get it. So now then it'll eventually. evaluate. >> It'll eventually I'll spit out an. answer. >> Meanwhile, if you ask it an impossible. trigonometry problem, it'll give you the. answer instantaneously. Okay, here it. goes. Term genocide is defined 1948 UN. convention. The prevention and. punishment of the crimes of genocide as. acts committed with intent to destroy in. whole or part a national, ethnic uh.

ethnical, racial or religious group. These acts include killing members of. the group. Okay. D. The ongoing conflict. in Gaza stems from I get it. I know what. that is. Um, okay. Allegations of genocide. prohibited acts intents. So, it's giving. you a very nuanced response. uh international court of justice in. response to South Africa's case filed in. December 2023 ruled in January 20.

>> 2024 that uh genocide claims are. plausible and issued provisional. measures ordering Israel to prevent. genocidal acts and this is quite a while. ago in 2023. >> okay scroll down. notable deniers's. government calls accusations baseless. and outrageous emphasizing compliance. with international law and. investigations into misconduct. The US. has described claims as unfounded. Analysis like the Beesa Center report.

July 2025 and ACJ 2025 July argue no. evidence of starvation, massacres or. disproportionate strikes and criticize. data manipulation by Hamas. Contextual challenges. Urban warfare. against embodied insurgency complicates. operations. accusations ignore Hamas's. role in aid diversion and civilian. endangerment. Some scholars note that. while harm is severe, competing motives. like counterterrorism preclude genocide.

findings, the issue remains highly. contested and politically charged. While. human rights bodies in ICJ have found. plausibility in genocide claims warrant. war warranting preventive measures, no international court has issued a. final guilty verdict and determinations. hinge on ongoing investigations. Yeah, I don't know, man. It sounds like. a different answer. >> I mean, what's. very nuanced? It allows you to form your.

own opinion based on what many people. say, including what Israel says. So, it's not going to give you an. answer. It's essentially um saying. figure it out, >> which I you know, like I I don't have a. problem with that. >> I don't have a problem with that at all. I mean, that's what I would like it to. do, especially if there's debate. >> Well, also, I mean, I think one of the, you know, the real problems, and this is. why I kind of like avoided using the. term genocide too much, at least in the. beginning. Um, is that it's there's no. good definition for genocide. You know,

like that definition they gave you at. the beginning is the official codified. under international law definition. It's. attempting to destroy a group in whole. or in part. Well, like what the hell. does that mean, you know? And that's why. they could say um you know, Hamas. committed a genocide on October 7th, you. know, it's like I don't know. They. destroyed a group in part. They And the. whole South African case that they. brought to the ICJ was basically the. entire case was just the Israelis in. their own words. Like their argument was. that like there's a genocidal intent.

here. Like when Benjamin Netanyahu is. talking to a group of military and calls. them Amalcch, well like what you know. the story of Amalcch from the Bible is. that the the moral of the story was you. have to kill all the women and children. Like that's what the story was about. I. think you even had to kill the ox or. something like that. I'm not an expert. in the Bible, but it was like that was. that was the point. It was like an. ancient tribe that was beefing with the. Israelites and they were like, "Yo, you. the moral was you have to kill all the. women and children, too." That's a crazy. thing to say at the beginning of a war. But the thing is that whether you.

consider what Israel is doing a genocide. or you just take the moderate position. of former Israeli prime ministers who. say it's war crimes, I think the bigger. point is just like it is so horrifically. evil and no one should support this. It's just it's crazy. It is it is so. insane to support Israel doing this to. what are in effect their own people. Like they may not consider them their. own people, but I don't care what they. consider. I care what they have power.

over. You know, like the, you know, Hitler maybe didn't consider. the Jews his own people, but doesn't. matter, dude. Once you have control of. that country, those people are your. people. Like you have an obligation to. them. Israel has had control of Gaza. since 1967. They've been the sovereign. and all the way through. You know, people could talk about the. disengagement in 2005, but that doesn't. mean anything. They still controlled the. whole strip. They just didn't have their. soldiers inside. They had them around. the perimeter. Doesn't matter. You're.

still controlling those people. And so. like if a if you have resistance, even. violent resistance to a 60-year long. occupation, you don't get to just say like, "All. right, we'll just turn off electricity. to the whole place. We'll just cut off. water to the whole place. We'll let no. food in for three straight months. Not. one grain of wheat got into Gaza." And. that, by the way, is a direct quote from. their finance minister, Smootrich. And. not one grain of wheat will get in. And. then a few months later, you go, "Oh,

no, but people starving. they had. pre-existing conditions. >> Yeah. It's like, come on, man. Like, what what are we doing here? And and. particularly when it's like. >> it's just very obvious that this doesn't. this doesn't serve our country's. interest in any way at all. You know, Ben, I was listening to Netanyahu's an. interview he did the other day. He was. on um on with our friend uh Constantin. Cassen on trigonometry and what was he. saying at one point? He goes, "We're. fighting Hamas so you don't have to." or.

something like does anybody what anybody. believe that Hamas was about to mount an. attack on the United States of America? They were going to take over if it. wasn't for Israel sticking up for us and. just destroying the entire strip. And. it's ridiculous. It's like you'll still. to this day I'll be in like a a debate. or like a panel or something like that. and someone will still start with the. question like do you think Israel has. the right to exist? And isn't it amazing. that over the last two years that's been.

the question that's asked so much when. very clearly a more relevant question. would have been does Gaza have a right. to exist because it doesn't now you know. like that was the only existence that. was ever up for debate but they flip the. thing around and go well you don't think. Israel has a right to exist like first. of all I don't think governments have. rights at all I think that's a totally. incoherent worldview and the only. coherent worldview is that individual. uals have rights. There aren't like. these massive right, you know, it's like.

Mitt Romney saying corporations are. people or something like that. But I. think all people have the right to. exist. Um I think Israel does not have a. right to do what it's doing to Gaza. And. you know the. you know and the real question is how. does this end? >> No, it seems to be with e ethnically. cleansing the entire strip seems the. most likely bet right now. >> What do they do with Gaza? Like how long. is it going to take before that even. looks normal again? >> Well, I mean I. >> you look at the mass of destruction just. the sheer scope of it. >> Yeah, it's like 80% of the structures.

have been leveled. >> It's so crazy. If anybody flying over. that with a drone and they tell you. that's the only way they could have done. this, that seems nuts. >> Yeah. >> And the the fact they keep doing it, it's like how does this end? You know, like what happens if if the you know, Israel has publicly said and Netanyahu. talked about it on the podcast that. they're losing the PR or what do you. call did you say PR propaganda? >> Yeah, something like the PR.

>> PR campaign. >> But what does that mean? It means the. people see what's going on and they. don't support it and you think they're. wrong. >> Okay. Well, how. how much further can you go with this. before everybody disagrees? Yeah. And. well, also part of the reason why, you. know, people it's like because I don't. know, people have just you don't have. the controlled propaganda apparatus. anymore. And so the the thing is now for. the people like obviously there are. still a lot of people who just don't. really pay attention, you know, that.

deeply. But for somebody who's. listening, let's say, to Netanyahu's. interview with with Constantin, I'd have to say like a large portion of. them at this point, you're listening to. podcasts about politics, right? like. you're you're not completely removed. from this world. There have been so many. Israel Palestine debates over the last 2. years. It's almost everyone who's. watching this has at least seen what. some competent person on the other side. of this issue has had to say. Yeah.

>> And so like one of the you know they. brought up at one point and they really. did you know I I thought Constantin did. a reasonably good job in in the. interview. The two I forget his uh. what's his his partner's name? Francis. The two of them I thought they did all. right. Um, I thought they were a little, you know, there were times they could. have asked some follow-up questions. Particularly the one that I thought they. let him off the hook with was when they. asked him about his support for Hamas. and they just totally let him go like, "Oh, well, you know, we needed to make. sure the people weren't suffering too. bad and let some aid in." And it's like, "No, dude. That's not" And they The. thing is that so many people listening.

to this have already heard this. explained. You know what I mean? where. it's like uh I remember like a couple. years ago where I was uh when I was. talking with you I was saying hey you. know Coleman Hughes got this all wrong. when he was on your podcast and Coleman. Hughes had basically said there's one. quote that's attributed to Netanyahu but. like it wasn't on video or anything like. that and I was like no no no dude this. case is much bigger than one quote that. was attributed to him by the way since. then a video came out of him saying it. on video there's actually a video now of.

that quote just the reports. >> what is the quote. >> uh well the quote that was uh they had. the video of was the we can control the. height of the flame. So he's basically. saying like we can commit the the quote. that originally he said um which was in. a closed- dooror Knesset meeting with. Lood party members where there were like. three people who were eyewitnesses who. came and told him it was originally. reported in the Jerusalem Post was that. he was like look anybody who wants to. thwart the existence of a Palestinian. state has to support our plan of.

propping up Hamas and transferring money. to them because this is what gives us a. a no one to negotiate with certific. cificate. And then he said, "We can. control the height of the flame.". Meaning like, "I know what you're. thinking. I'm funding these terrorists. right on our southern border, but like. don't worry about it. We can control, you know, the height of the flame." And. then he found out he couldn't on October. 7th. Um but any but so they let him off. the hook with that and people have just. kind of heard this laid out. I mean, it's not like I just say this on. podcast. There's been major pieces.

written in the New York Times, in the um. the Times of uh Israel, the in heretses, in the Jerusalem Post, in the Washington. Post. Like this is all over the place. And he just goes, "No, no, no. Was no. We were just like trying to get some. funding in there for the people." Like. at this point, anyone believes that. Benjamin Netanyahu was motivated by. helping the poor people of Gaza rather. than by thwarting a Palestinian state. >> What was his response? cuz I I I do know. that they asked him about the failure of.

intelligence on October 7th. What was. his response? The failure of just how. long it took them to react to it. >> Yeah, I remember that. I I don't. remember exactly what he said, but I. remember thinking there was not much of. substance to it. He kind of just danced. around it, you know, and and they also. didn't get into specifically like, you. know, at first they started asking him. questions about like what was it like. for you on that day, but they didn't get. into questions about like why was the.

response time so long? How was this. possibly able to happen? Like no, not. really. I mean, they didn't push him on. that. And then he, you know, said, which. I mean, just think about how. unimpressive this is, is that he. basically just went, >> "Oh, there should be a full. investigation.". you know, there should be a full. investigation onto that from the top all. the way down to the bottom. >> Nice thing to say. >> And you're like, "Okay, hey, this would. be awesome. Could we get the prime. minister of Israel on the line?" Cuz. like maybe he could do something about. this. They're like, "Oh, no, that's. you." So, like, why? It's almost 2 years.

later. What are you talking about, dude? Have the investigation? What? What? You. can't conduct an investigation while. you're destroying the Gaza Strip? What. does it have to wait till after that? You got time to do a podcast? >> Did they ask him about the protests? I. don't think so. But uh you know I don't. >> because there were protests before. October 7th. >> Yes. There's also been protests this. week by the way. Massive protest in Tel. Aviv. I think from I read a few articles. about it and the the estimate seemed to. be 500,000 people were out in the. streets protesting the war. And thank.

God for that man. And thank God for just. like uh and oh by the way the protests. were led um or I don't know like led but. the the featured acts at the protest. were the families of hostages and. surviving hostages. They're the ones. leading the charge being like, "Stop. doing this." You know, cuz like if you. think about it, I mean, could you. imagine, you know, if you try to put. yourself in the place of like having. someone you really love is a hostage, like Hamas has taken them hostage and.

they're trapped in one of these tunnels. and then you hear the plan is to cut off. all food to the area and you're like, yo, like what? How is that going to help. your loved one who's a hostage there? Like how's it just just bombing the. place? Like what if you hit them? Like. what? You know what I mean? Like this. It's like obviously if your main goal. was hostage retrieval, this is not at. all the way you would go about doing. that. Um, and you know, it's like this. was a point, by the way, that that Daryl. Cooper was making on Tucker Carlson's.

podcast, which got him a whole lot in a. whole lot of trouble and got him a whole. lot of push back on. But I think the. essence of his point was about. starvation blockades and then like. saying like, you know, you're you put a. starvation blockade on Nazi Germany or. something like that. You go, okay, because the Nazis are your enemies and. they're real bad guys. So you want to do. that, but like do you think Adolf. Hitler's not eating? Do you think any of. his soldiers aren't eating? And that's. going to be first priority, right? Nazi. party members and the Nazi military are. going to care. Who is maybe not going to.

get food? probably the most. disenfranchised people in that society, right? >> I mean, you're already in a. concentration camp. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and then Well, some of. them were, I guess, at that point, and. some of them weren't. But. >> isn't it amazing that that's. controversial to say that it's this is. not a nuanced discussion like that? That's not a factor. >> Yeah, that's right. And and look, they. they were using um which was a you know, horrible picture, but they had what the. image of one of those um there was like.

some pictures that had come out of one. of the remaining hostages there who did. look like, you know, in bad shape. Look. like close to starvation, you know, and. then the the Israel supporters were. using this as like their propag like. look how horrible Hamas is. Look what. they're doing to them. And you're like, yeah, but this did come after 3 months. of zero food being allowed into Gaza. And so like I don't know. To me it seems. like it probably doesn't take a genius. to go like um you know Hamas is going to. be fed like they're not going to suffer.

from these hunger. And in fact a lot of. the pro-Israel people were and the. Israeli government themselves they were. making claims a lot of them. unsubstantiated but making claims that. like Hamas is stealing all of the food. We let aid in previously but Hamas stole. it all. Then they mark it up and charge. more money for it to the people of Gaza. And you're like, "Okay, but then what does a food blockade do?". I mean, you already said it's not taking. food away from Hamas, right? So, who's. the war against? It's the civilian.

population. And of course, you you'd. imagine like just like under Nazi. Germany, you'd imagine Jews and gypsies. and other they're going to get the worst. treatment in a totally centralized war. economy. The the state is going to. decide who eats and who doesn't eat. Who. do you think they're going to pick? You know, it's it's like. this stuff just leads to like. unbelievable amounts of human suffering. And it's. >> again, how does this send? >> Well, I mean, you know, it's there's I.

guess there's some competing plans. Like. Donald Trump said kind of flippantly a. few months back that America was going. to take over the Gaza Strip and turn it. into a big beautiful property. >> That sounded like he was talking [ __ ]. >> Yeah, me too. It was that was that was. what I thought too. He said it right. beside Netanyahu and it just seemed. bizarre that he was doing that. >> Very strange. Um but then Netanyahu said. much more recently just uh the other was. a week or two ago said that Israel is. going to take over the Gaza Strip. Um. which that sounds much more likely to.

me. You know, I think so. I think this. is the the weird dynamic kind of here is. that I think it's not they're not like. so stupid that I'm aware of something. that like these guys aren't aware of, right? Like they know that they've lost. control of the media. They look they. know they've lost control of the. narrative and they know that they've. lost control of the youth in America and. that at some point, you know, those 70. year olds watching cable news are going. to age out and die. and the people in.

charge are going to be this generation. that has a totally different view of. Israel than previous generations. They. know that. But then the question becomes. like what do you do with that. information? And so I I think that there. is a part of Netanyahu and the Israeli. war cabinet and the Israeli government. who are looking at this and going all. right so we got we got like 10 more. years of this relationship. you know, we. got like 10 more years of where the US. has our back and we can do whatever we. want. And so you could see where the.

conclusion from that might be, we got to. go for it now. Like if you really do. have this greater greater Israel. project, well, right now under the Trump. administration, this is your moment. He. has already vowed he's going to do. whatever to support Israel. He is. totally on your side. You have this. administration. There's every last. member of this administration supports. Israel. Um so now's the time. annex Gaza. and the West Bank and, you know, parts. of Syria, too, and whatever else they. want to do. So, I think they might be.

going for it, you know, and and I don't. know. We'll we'll see. I mean, >> when they started bombing Iran, that's. what I thought. >> I was like, "Oh, boy.". >> Well, they tried they tried to suck. Trump into a regime change war there, you know, and it didn't it didn't work. Um, but the whole thing, you know, the. whole the whole 12-day war, first of. all, this thing is not over. um were. kind of it like the the fundamentals of. the conflict are all still there and in. fact I think there was just a few days.

ago like there were a couple like. Israeli spokesman who were already. signaling like we may have to go you. know see about this again Netanyahu. himself said when him and Trump met in. the White House and was a really. fascinating moment which you know I'm. not trying to make too much of but it. was pretty hilarious in a way like a. little microcosm where they asked Donald. Trump at one point they go so is that it. with Iran like are we is the war. continuing or is it over? And he goes, "Well, you know, I really I don't really. want to see it continue, but maybe. that's a better question for BB." And. you're like, "What?

Wait, what? He's Oh, I'm sorry." You're. like, "Well, my boss is right here, so. you might as well ask him." Which is not. exactly true. You know, I'm not saying. that. I know Jeffrey Saxs, who I love, who is a real expert, not like me or. Douglas Murray, but a real expert, uh, who's, you know, I don't agree with him. on everything, but his foreign policy is. very good. Um, but he said, and I think. he was saying it kind of tongue and. cheek, but he said, "I I regard. Netanyahu as the worst US president of. my lifetime." Which is a funny a very. funny line. Um, and I get what he's. saying. >> Well, how long has he been running.

Israel? >> Well, he he came he was prime minister. first in 1996 and then he's had a few. stints where he was out, but he's been. in and out. >> So, they have a completely different. setup obviously. You can keep coming. back. >> You can keep coming back. Yeah. And so. he was uh but he's the longest serving. prime minister in Israeli history uh at. this point. >> And but I will say that there are. people, you know, I know people go down, you know, rabbit holes on Twitter and. stuff like that. And I don't I do think. Jeffrey Sachs is well, I think he was.

being somewhat tongue-in-cheek when he. said it, but I do think he's overstating. his hand. It's not that Israel runs. America. If Netanyahu ran America, I can. promise you we would have had a regime. change warrant in Iran. We would not. have stopped where Donald Trump stopped. if Netanyahu was actually in control of. the US military instead of just having. significant influence over it. So like I. do think there's I mean I've just read. enough about Netanyahu, the Lakudnik, the neocons. This is the regime change. war that they've wanted. This is their. seventh. This is seven out of seven to.

get Iran. So this is what they want. And. if you actually even look at the war. itself, it was like they when Trump, it. was before and after Trump dropped the. bunker busters on their nuclear sites, Israel just started bombing regime. targets. They weren't just bombing their. nuclear sites. They were trying to. overthrow the regime. And in fact, they. like made calls to these Iranian. generals and threatened their families. Basically said, "We're going to kill. your families unless you guys flee right.

now." It just didn't work. They weren't. going to do that. And then once that. didn't work, they were kind of like and. then Iran. gave Trump an out, you know, they. responded with this nonsense, you know, the same thing they did after uh um they. after Trump killed Solommani where they. fire these rockets, they give us. advanced warning, they make sure we move. everyone out of the way. So because they. know they know they don't want to kill. an American there because then it's. fullcale war. But like if they hadn't,

you know, it's so funny cuz like we put. all of this in the Muller's hands and if. they had just decided, which every. military analyst concludes they can. touch Americans in the region, they. didn't. Had they, this would have been. the And I think that was the goal. I. think that was Netanyahu's goal of it. was to provoke that response that would. have led to a regime change war and it. didn't work. And Trump, you know, to his. credit, his instinct is to deescalate. these things when he can, but also to. Trump's um, you know, fault, never.

should have gotten in the thing to begin. with. It was all the whole Iranian. nuclear threat is as much [ __ ] as. the Iraqi nuclear threat. I mean, yeah, it is true that they have a civilian. nuclear program that Iraq didn't have. And it is. I know. I saw when uh Mike. Baker was on, who I love. I love Mike. Baker, but I think he's wrong about all. this stuff. But when he was when you. even you had said to him at one point. where you were like, "Yeah, but like you. know the counterargument to that is that. this is like a latent nuclear deterrent. is the idea. Not that they're developing. a nuclear weapon." And and Mike was.

basically like, "Yeah, but they're up to. 60%." You know, and that's on its way to. 90%. But the thing is, why weren't they. at 90%. They didn't have to stop at 60%. They mastered the fuel cycle and they. figured out all this technology a long. time ago. They could have they could. have enriched up to weapons grade. Why. did they stop at 60%. And why did they. then enter negotiations with the United. States of America about the level to. which they were enriching uranium? Because it's that it's a latent nuclear. deterrent. It's a bargaining chip. They.

were down at like 3 to 5% or something. under the JCPOA until Trump tore it up. until Trump backed out of it. And then. under the rules of the JCPOA, because. they're still in it with Europe, and. we'll see where that goes now, but they. were allowed to uh up the enrichment. once America pulled out. And so they. exercised that option in the agreement. and there you know the idea that they. were um you know there look there was. the the annual threat assessment had. come out just a few months before the. war and Tulsi Gabbard signed her name at.

the bottom of it and then testified. before Congress and it's clear as day. She turned around and acted like people. were misrepresenting it but they. weren't. It was clear as day. Anyone can. read it for themselves. She said they. have Iran has not made the political. decision to pursue a nuclear weapon yet, let alone. have achieved it or or gotten one. And. when Donald Trump was asked about that, remember they said, "Your own director. of national intelligence says that. they're not developing a weapon." And he. goes, "Well, I disagree.".

>> Have you ever seen the I'm sure you have. the compilation of Netanyahu over the. years saying how close Iran is to. getting a nuclear weapon. >> Yeah, it's great. Have you seen there's. other compilations of him too where he's. just guaranteeing like all his. guarantees like there's one of him in. like I think it's the year before I was. born if I'm right it's 1982 and he. didn't go by Benjamin Netanyahu back. then he went by whatever his more you. know European sounded name was um and uh. >> when did he change names. >> well cuz they all they all. >> when.

>> uh 80s I would guess it's got to be in. the 80s it was it was Netanyahu by the. 90s but in the 80s they were still. calling him whatever I can't remember. his his previous name. >> Why did he change his name? >> Well, they all kind of, you know, because the whole thing, Joe, is that. they're all, you know, Israel was a. European, you know, construct. They they. were made by a bunch of Europeans who. came over and created Israel, but then. they have to claim that they're the true. Seemetic people. >> Is it true that that genetic testing is. outlawed there? >> I believe that is true. I believe that's.

true. I mean, double check me on that, but I believe it's true that you need. that you need like permission from the. government to go get DNA tests and stuff. >> cuz I think and I believe. >> Well, this is the problem with the term. Seemetic. >> Mhm. >> Because if these are European Jewish. people, this is not the exact same. genetics. >> That's right. And I. >> genetic testing heavily here. You can. [ __ ] get it at Walgreens. >> That's right. Yeah.

and focused on medical and reproductive. purposes with broad support for carrier. screening and pre-implantation. diagnosis. What does that mean? Pre-impl. pre-implantation diagnosis. Uh this. creates a system where health rellated. genetic testing is robust and often. publicly funded but direct to consumer. tests for ancestry or paternity are. highly restricted. Now, why would you. highly restrict anything like that? If.

you want to just if a human being has. bodily autonomy and you want to find out. where your ancestors came from, why. wouldn't that be? What do you think? You. know, >> well, look, like the only the only real. answer to this is that they, you know, the the Israel project or the Zionist. project always relied on this kind of. claim and which is a crazy claim in a. way. It's like a like a supernatural. property right claim that you know like. that you have this which you know if you. go there was that great documentary on.

the settlers in the West Bank and. they'll all tell you to a man or to a. woman they focus a lot on that godmother. of the settlers woman but they'll all. explain to you like in very plain. English with a Hebrew accent that God. promised them all this land and so like. God promised us all this land so like I. don't know who these other people are. here but God didn't promise it to them. he promised it to us and so you know. that's but like that's kind of the claim. that we're the original people of this. land and so we have like a right to come. back here. Now forget for a second the.

fact that nobody conceives of property. rights in this fashion in any other like. nobody thinks I could like come up with. a DNA test and be like oh I've got some. Ukrainian in here. All right. Well, I'm. going to march into Ukraine, knock on a. door and be like this is actually my. house because I was here a thousand. years ago. like that's. >> but it's kind of crazy that you block. evidence that that's not really a good. argument. >> Well, let's just say hypothetically if. say the truth is that um the Jews of.

2,000 years ago weren't actually kicked. out of the land, but in fact they were. forced to convert. And that actually. those people who you're saying were. never promised the land are actually the. people who were promised the land and. then converted to Islam. And in fact, you're just some European who came in. here way after that. That I'm just. saying hypothetically if that was the. case that would be something that maybe. you would want to control the. information of. >> Isn't that wild?

>> Well, you know, >> I don't want this whole show to be such. a Debbie Downer. >> Well, no. Okay, I'll end I'll I'll I. will make a real positive a real. positive case about this. Okay, cuz I do. actually I'm not a pessimist and I want. to make sure I'm not just a downer. You. know, I saw too late. >> Well, yeah. Okay. Well, I'm trying. >> Okay. Well, I've done whatever. I've. done 17 episodes being a downer. So, let. me don't I'll you know, I'll give you a. few minutes of you know, I saw so I I. was I hung out with Ron Paul a little. bit as I was telling you. I was at his. party the other day and um you know it's.

like uh every time I see him he always. asks me the same question and it's. always like the feeling like this like. fatherly like there's a right answer to. this and a wrong answer to this but he. always goes uh he goes so Dave are you. more optimistic or pessimistic. and I always say optimistic because I. know that's the correct and every time. he asks me this and I say optimistic he. just nods his head he's like like it's. just Correct. That's the correct answer. You're not allowed to be pessimistic. You got to be optimistic. And I am I I.

am. >> Well, optimism sees a better world ahead. and and offers potential solutions and. at least a mindset Yeah. >> of a potential solution. The problem. with pessimism is there's no way out. other than complete anarchy and. destruction. >> That's right. And you don't you kind I. think this I I mean I feel this way. particularly I think when you have kids. this becomes like a more focused I I. think that. I the way I look at it is because I have. kids I don't have an option to be.

pessimistic. I don't have an option to. be blackpilled or just feel bad about. it's like I don't know I got little. kids. They're going to inherit this. world. I gotta do everything I can to, you know, like I I may have said this. before to you, but like the example I. think of is like if you like uh let's. say you're you're in your house with. your family and like you've you've got. like let's say a gun or two in the house. and then you look outside and you see. like there's like a 10 guys with guns. charging the house and it's just you and. you just have your one or two guns. There's 10 guys with guns charging the. house and your family is in the house.

Like you don't have a right as like the. man of your house. You don't have a. right to sit there and go, "Oh man, there's 10 of them and only one of me.". I mean, I just think the future looks. bleak. You It's like, "What? I don't. care. I don't know. You know your house. better than them, right? What do you got. there? You got some gasoline in your. shed. Okay, shoot the shed. That blows. up a few of them. Get Get your family. into the attic. Get them into the. basement. Get You got to try. You still. have a fighting shot here. So, you don't. have a right to just sit there and feel. bad about Yeah, the odds are against. you. But, you know, crazy things have. happened." I will say we.

>> You think it's that bad? 10 guys to one? >> No, I'm just saying even in a scenario. >> saying in your in your analogy, it's. like you're [ __ ]. >> Sure. But even in that No, I don't know. that you're I don't know that you're. necessarily [ __ ] I mean, hey, listen, dude. >> Depends if you're John Wick. >> Well, yeah, but also you have there's a. big advantage to a house that you know. that other people don't know. I would. assume by the time people with guns come. to your house, they have a pretty good. understanding house is built like. >> Okay, maybe it's not the perfect. I'm.

not saying it's going to work out well. I'm saying in that moment, you still go. out, you still go out trying. Okay, now. I think we have a way better situation. than that. I think that. >> the I think that freaking me out. >> Well, look, I think that tyranny has. always relied on propaganda and that we. are running an experiment for like the. first time where they're flying with no. net. They don't have a propaganda. apparatus anymore, like at all. >> Well, they certainly don't have control. Yeah. Over narratives anymore.

>> Donald Trump can't even control what. Tucker Carlson is going to say. You know. what I mean? Like that. Like you can't. even count on your most influential. right-wing voice in America to go like. there was never anything like this. before. There was never even just in. recent times, there was never something. George W. Bush could have done where. you'd be like, "Tonight on Fox News, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity are going. to tear him apart." That it didn't. exist. There was never anything Obama. could have done where Rachel Mata was. going to tear him apart over that. Like.

we have that for the first time now. People are waking up in a way to this. stuff that's like never happened before. And I think that gives us like enormous. potential for positive things to happen. in the future now. And and the other. thing that's happening is that like. economically speaking, our our system is. being pushed to a point where eventually. they're going to have to call it quits. on all of this. Like we just can't keep. going up. Like the I think it was I I. forget the exact recent numbers, but.

it's something like it's over $1.2. trillion a year just on interest on the. debt. Interest on the debt is like. overtaking the entire budget. And at a. certain point there, someone's going to. have to call it quits and be like, "We. just got to start reigning this thing. back in." If they lose all of their. popular support and all of their. economic ability to keep running up the. debt and keep the printing machines. going, then I think there there's going. to have to be a huge adjustment made. there. And I do think like, >> well, this was Elon's argument.

>> Yeah. Yeah, that's right. >> Yeah. Which is why he wanted this. massive economic reform. And this is why. he wanted to do an audit audit on. everything. >> You saw how that worked out. Well, okay, but he was right. Yeah, but that was. still also like the first attempt at. that. Yes. And he was right about that. stuff. So, okay. So, so yes, that didn't. work. You know, Doge was a failure in. terms of actually getting cuts done. right now, >> but it was a huge success in terms of. like putting a spotlight on this issue. and and putting it into the national.

consciousness in a way that it's never. been before. And so now it's like, okay, well, what will the second attempt? What. will the third attempt like look like? and how you know we have a new world now. where Donald Trump won the presidency in. in no small part by coming on this show. by going on uh Andrew Schultz show and. Theo Vaughn's show and you know like all. these different and and now we're coming. up on the next presidential election. like for the foreseeable future in order. to win the presidency they kind of know.

they got to come here and to all of our. shows and present something that might. get you and your audience like, okay, he's he's coming with something here. This is such a new dynamic that I just. think like the potential for good is off. the charts. And so, like, yeah, in the. short term things are still the same. Government policy is still what it is. and and the people don't really have. much control over that. But I think like. long term, I'm very bullish on the.

ability of people to really wake up and. understand what's going on here. Apparently, there's some real talk about. uh changing the uh status of marijuana. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was reading about that a. couple weeks ago, right? >> But there's something that just came out. yesterday, too, where they're they think. that Trump might declassify it and take. it from a schedule one to a schedule. three, which would change everything and. open. There was an article about the. economics of it because they were. talking about these businesses, how. they're taxed and how, you know,

federally they're still operating. like criminals, you know, it's like. that's how it's that's how it's viewed. by the the federal government views it. as a schedule one substance. You're you. know, like and if you get arrested for. it, you're [ __ ] Where they're going. to change the right now, they have a. limited ability to bank. There's li the. interest rates are all [ __ ] up. everything's [ __ ] up and just that. alone would make a huge economic impact. I mean, if you if you want to do. something, first of all, you would kill.

a lot of the interest or excuse me, a. lot of the um financial interest that. the cartels have in it. If if all of a. sudden it becomes legal here, like the. cartels probably they're probably going. to be involved still a little bit. because they're involved in it already. They're involved in avocados. I had uh. Ed Calderon on yesterday was explaining. how they're they're involved in uh. illegal fuel. The human trafficking is a. giant business. There's they're they. have many many horrible interests. But. you would at the very least you would.

empower American businesses to do it. legally and normally and you know have. organic marijuana air quotes because. some of the stuff they're finding in. California that the cartel is running is. they're using these terrible pesticides. and herbicides that are like insanely. toxic and illegal everywhere else. You. can't use them on American crops, but. yet they're using them on this marijuana. because. >> being sold at like dispensaries and. stuff. No, that's being sold. It's 90%. of all the marijuana that's sold in all.

the places where marijuana is illegal. The cartels are growing and they're. growing it in California in national. forest because it's a misdemeanor to get. caught illegally growing marijuana in. California. >> There's a great book uh John Norris. Hidden War that's all about that. He's a. game warden who had to find out about. this the hard way and then became part. of a tactical unit where they would go. in and and fight the cartels in the. woods. How about that? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's [ __ ] crazy. So, if he does.

that, that'll be another good thing. Um, the other good thing that he's been. doing is getting these people together. that have been in conflict forever and. making them shake hands and and having. conversations, peace talks. Like, how. many different people have how many. different countries have had. representatives agree to peace talks. because of Trump? >> I was reading this breakdown of all the. different. >> intervened in the not interveneed, but.

he with the India Pakistan thing. I know. he got all of them on the phone and he's. um you know I obviously just had Putin. over here um but yeah there was a few a. few examples of that which is great. >> It's great. Yeah. So there's it's not. all negative. >> Well it's not not only is it great, right? But it's isn't it so insane. that it dude that it took this long for. like just with the Putin and Donald. Trump that like like I I always say and. I know this is kind of like a hippie-ish.

thing to say but I think the world needs. a little bit more of that. Um but like. okay it's kind of crazy that war still. exists. It's it's kind of crazy that. we're at the you know like you'd almost. feel like if you if you saw a society. and you're like wait you've gotten to. the point where like you have the. written language and twostory buildings. you'd be like you probably should have. figured out something other than war at. this point but yet you know you're. talking about a society with the. internet and skyscrapers and heart. surgery and like all these things and. like you still but still. >> and we have international governance of.

some sort you know you have the United. Nations and things like this and you're. telling me like there is international. law and like the first rule isn't that. like if any countries are ever going to. go to war, you guys have to get in a. room together. Like it before we go to. war, we need to know that we've. exhausted every alternative option that. there is. Especially when it's the. United States and Russia, you know what. I mean? And yet it took all this time. for the first time for the two leaders. of them to sit down and meet. It's.

crazy. But on the positive side, they. did just sit down and meet. That's a lot. better than not sitting down and. meeting. And that's what's unique about. him is that he wants these things to. happen. He truly doesn't want us to be. going to war. I mean, he ran on that. And I think it's true. And despite what. happened in Iran, like it was at least. limited. And it seems like there was. some communication that made it limited, >> you know. Well, there's no question having a. president whose default setting was to. desire an off-ramp made a huge.

difference there because, you know, if. you had had like if this was a Dick. Cheney, George W. Bush type of uh. presidency, they could have found any. excuse. You know what I mean? Like once. you get to that point, they could have. found any reason to keep it going. >> Yeah. But at least that kind of made. sense to me because there were these. right-wing people whereas the seeing the. left wing calling for war and saying. that Ukraine was going to win this thing. like. >> god damn what happened when how did it.

how did it flip? How did it flip that if. you if you want a a conclusion to the. war that you're supporting Putin how did. how did that flip? How did it flip where. people aren't trying to exhaust every. possible way to stop the end of the. killing of all these people that are. conscripted and sent to the front lines. to die when they don't want to be there. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, that's right. >> It's crazy. Well, also even the like um. the you know where people were like. bragging about like the 12-day war, you.

know, which again is not clear that it's. over yet. You don't really get to decide. that until years later. You know, they. didn't call it World War I until World. War II came around and then you go, "Oh, that was the first World War." Um, >> what does it say? >> Six wars in six months. >> I've settled six wars in six months. One. of them a possible nuclear disaster. Trump wrote in True Social on August. 18th before meeting with European. leaders and Ukrainian President Vladimir. Zalinski at the White House where he. made a similar claim. I know exactly. what I'm doing and I don't need the.

advice of people who have been working. on all these conflicts for years and. were never able to do a thing to stop. them. So, click on that where it says six wars. in six months. It seems to be a link. >> It's a link to his post. >> Oh, it's just his post. >> What are the six wars? Throw that into. Grock. >> There's other artic I can show you the. other show. One second. >> Um I was just interested in like what he. is. Uh. >> what what what wars are is he claiming. to have ended.

>> breakthroughs? Cuz I know he has had. these people get together. How many. wars? Israel and Iran. Okay. >> Well, you don't get to count that one, do you? >> Pakistan and India. Um Rwanda and the. Democratic Republic of the Congo. June, the two go back. In June, the two. countries signed a peace agreement in. Washington aimed at ending decades of. conflict. Trump said it would help. increase trade between them and the US. What's the next one? Um, Thailand and. Cambodia. On 26th of July, Trump posted.

on True Social, "I am calling the acting. prime minister of Thailand right now to. likewise request a ceasefire and end to. the war which is currently raging.". Couple days later, the two countries. agreed to an immediate and unconditional. ceasefire after less than a week of. fighting at the border. Malaysia held. the peace talks, but President Trump. threatened to stop separate negotiations. on reducing US tariffs unless Thailand. and Cambodia stopped fighting. Let's. look at this one. Armenia and.

uh the leaders of both countries said. Trump should receive the Nobel Peace. Prize for his efforts in securing a. peace deal which was announced at the. White House on 8th of August. I think he. gets good credit here. The Oval Office. signing ceremony may have pushed the. parties to peace, uh says Mr. Hanland. In March, the two governments had said. they were ready to end their nearly. 40-year conflict centered on the status. of the how do you say that? Negoro Norn.

Negorno. Carabach. Your guess is as good as mine. >> I'll let you I'll let you figure that. one out. >> Most recent serious outbreak of fighting. was in September 2023rd when Azerbaijan. seized the enclave where many ethnic. Armenians lived. Egypt and Ethiopia. Here's another one. Um, after 12 years. of disagreement, Egypt's foreign. minister said on the 29th of June that. talks with Ethiopia had ground to a. halt. Trump said, "If I was Egypt, I'd. want the water in the Nile." He promised.

that the US was going to resolve the. issue very quickly. Egypt welcomed. Trump's words, but Ethiopian officials. say they risked inflaming tensions. No. formal deal has been reached. Okay. Serbia and Kosovo. Uh Trump claimed to. have prevented an outbreak of. hostilities between them saying Serbia. Kosovo are was going to go at it going. to be a big war. I said you go at it. There's no trade with the United States. They said well maybe we won't go at it. The way he talks is so ridiculous. >> You're just so you just know that is a.

Trump quote. >> Two countries signed an economic. normalization agreement in the Oval. Office with the president in 2020 but. they were not at war at the time. Um, so it doesn't say that that's been. resolved. Is that it? >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, it seems like some of them. haven't totally been resolved. >> Well, I think. >> but at least he's trying. >> The Armenian one, I think, is the one he. should get the most credit for because. they did sign that peace deal in the. White House and both the leaders did say. like, "Yeah, Donald Trump really played.

a huge role in this." With the other. things, you kind of never know. But this. is a new and unique thing that this guy. I mean he's only been in office for. eight months and that he's like actively. pursuing all these international. conflicts trying to get these people. together and stop it. >> No, that stuff is all very good. Um. >> so good. >> Yeah. Now I don't give him any credit. for the I mean let me just try to say. this. I do give him credit like I said. before for the for taking the offramp. when he had it on the 12-day war. But. the thing about that one is that he just. never needed to launch the thing to.

begin with. And I don't know, you know, I'm not even sure he did launch it to be. honest. It's it's kind of unclear how. that happened because they were in. negotiations with the Iranians and then. Israel attacked them and then after. Israel attacked them, Trump said. basically we were all in on it together, which might be true. But I do know that. Tucker Carlson said, I'm not revealing. anything privately. He said this on the. record. He's he's knows Witoff who was. the guy who was point manning the. negotiations and he was like it is. absolutely not true that these were like. fake negotiations designed to trick the.

Iranians so Israel could get their shot. off. That that's just not true. Now I. don't know exactly what's right there. and what's. >> So then you have to cover for your. friend cuz your friend threw the first. punch. >> Mhm. Well, I know that Trump was upset. because he let it out uh that he was. upset that after he called for the. ceasefire, Israel just started bombing. the crap out of him and he was like, "What are you guys doing, man?" But then. he turns around and still supports. everything they're doing. >> Well, they have conversations. They have. meetings. Yeah. [ __ ].

>> The thing about it is though is that. going forward, I think this is like the. more important thing is that going. forward, this problem is not off the. table. you know, they're saying that. Trump's going to say he completely. destroyed, you know, Iran's nuclear. program, but that's not clear at all. And everything the Iranians are saying. is that they are going to continue. having a civilian nuclear program and. they have the technology and the know. like they can rebuild this thing. And so. then the question is like if they do, what do we want to do next about that? And what's great is that this at least.

was a little war that didn't result in. like a major catastrophe. still a. catastrophe for the people who died in. and there were Iranians and Israelis who. died in this war. It wasn't like it it. was bloodless. Um but at least it maybe. gives us some time to go like for the. next goound to just be like we don't. need to go to war over a civilian. nuclear program. First off, we shouldn't. go to war over a nuclear weapons. program. Like what is that? Like uh. what's uh Truman was the president when. the Soviet Unions developed nuclear.

weapons? Soviet unions, Joseph Stalin. developed nuclear weapons. He didn't. attack them over that. He didn't say, "We're going to launch a war of. aggression because you're developing the. same weapons we have." And I think it. was Johnson was president when Maong, the most evil man who's ever lived, developed nuclear weapons. They never. there was never like a war of aggression. launched over that. Everyone's so. convinced we got to do it over Iran. But. anyway, they weren't even pursuing. nuclear weapons. Hopefully the next. goound the American people have even had.

it even more and are like, "Yeah, we're. just not supporting this anymore.". >> Do you remember when Obama uh had a. press conference and talked about we. gave a speech talked about that we were. going to go to war with Syria? >> Mhm. >> Do you remember that? >> Announced it. >> and everybody was like, "What the [ __ ]. are you talking about?". >> And then they said, "H, forget it." And. you know what was a huge part of that. was it was like the first war the. internet shut down you know where it was. like and it was it was uh well I think. uh Steve Bannon had a lot to do with. that. He was over at Breitbart at the. time and they really got on the like we.

are not supporting this war. But then. there were like it was all over Twitter. where there were the active duty. military guys and they would dress up in. like they would put on the military. uniform but cover their face and then. just like hold the sign that's like I. will not fight for al-Qaeda in Syria cuz. those guys knew what that was. This is. by the way the whole thing this is where. they tried to smear Tulsi Gabbard. There's one Barry Weiss was on here and. said she's an Assad toy and then didn't. know what to meant or whatever. But like. they try to it's almost like they try to.

tell you this story like what what would. that even mean? What are they saying? Are they what's the claim? Tulsi Gabbard. is secretly loyal to a Syrian dentist. who became the dictator of the country. Like that doesn't make any sense, does. it? Why would Tulsi Gabbard have been so. against that war? Well, the reason she. was against that war is because she. actually knew the first thing about it. Unlike all these other people, unlike. Barry Weiss, who didn't even know what. the word toy meant as she was calling. her that Tulsi Gabbard, for whatever you. might say about her, and I've got some.

criticisms of her myself. Um, but she. knows who the Shiites are and who the. Sunnis are and she knows which camp is. on which side and what and she knew that. the on the other side of Bashar Assad in. this civil war which was started by. Barack Obama. On the other side of this. was ISIS and al-Qaeda and her whole. thing was she signed up she enlisted to. go fight al-Qaeda cuz they hit us on. 9/11. And so she's always furious that. actually Tulsi supports the war on. terrorism too much. I would argue she.

she just objected to the war for. terrorism. She was like, "I just don't. think we should fight wars for al-Qaeda. I believe we ought to fight them against. al-Qaeda." And that was her that was her. beef with that one. She was absolutely. right about it. And by the way, al-Qaeda's in charge of the country now. >> Yeah. Whoops. Whoops. >> That'll work. That'll work out well. I'm. sure. >> it works everywhere. Every time we. overthrow our country, it works out. great. >> It always Libya did a good We did a real. good job there. Well, did you see? Well, this was the crazy thing for the people. who were advocating regime change in the.

12-day war in Iran. They would always, did you see, there were like uh there. were Israeli government officials who. were posting pictures of the son of the. Shaw like the implication being that. he'll come back into power because what. we're in exile in England. So now the. the war on terrorism started with. spreading democracy and in its end phase. we're spreading. high what's the word I'm looking for uh. a monarchy uh hereditary monarchy or.

something. It's like, yeah, but also by. the way, what do you think the odds are. that if we overthrew the Mullers, that. the son of the Shaw just walks back into. power and all the waring factions just. go, "Yeah, no, that's, you know, the US. propped him up in 1953, so then yeah, okay, he's the rightful ruler." Like, I. don't think so, dude. >> Well, listen, man. I've had enough. getting bummed out. >> Well, I'm not trying to bum you. freak. It just there's so much going That's the. problem with being alive today is you're. you're paying attention to so many.

different conflicts. >> Yeah. But dude over the world. >> Yeah. But like in the 20th century, you. know, like there were two world wars and. there was all this horrible [ __ ] you. know, and then like but today like dude, we live in like the most amazing time, dude. I mean there's literally. >> Bring it home. Nice. >> Well, listen, man. I I will I mean this. the most sincere thing I've ever said uh. in my life. Uh my son was born with a. congenital heart defect that would have. killed him in almost any other time.

period unless I was alive today or in. the last 10 years. 30 years ago I would. have lost my son and today he's fine. He's great cutest little boy in the. world you ever seen. And so like I don't. know I'd still rather live today than. any other time just for that alone. doub. and and we have an ability to like reach. people and trade with each other and. communicate with each other. We're we're. really close to like curing all types of. of diseases and ailments and extending. life and and extending, you know, people. are educated and connected in a way that.

they've never been before. You know, we. got all these problems, but we've had. lots of problems before. >> I just think we're aware of the problems. now and which is the first step to. recognizing them and then going after. them and trying to resolve them. >> That'll be our kids generation. Yeah. Me. and you me and you will just be. recognizing them and then we'll leave it. to them to solve it. >> Uh you going to have some fun this. weekend at the mothership. >> It's my favorite weekend of every year. >> Well, it's always awesome to have you. there. >> Wait, hold on. Comedy wise, maybe I do. something with the wife and kids. That. got in trouble for that. But it's.

>> uh your podcast, tell everybody how to. get it. It's everywhere. >> Part of the problem uh is my political. podcast, Legion of Skanks is the. knucklehead comedy podcast, but it's. also very fun. Uh so go check that out. And then uh yeah, come the mothership. shows all sold out next year. Catch me. at the mother show. >> Yes. All right. Thanks, mother. >> You're the man, dude. >> You're the man. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause].

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