Joe Rogan Experience #2368 - Michael Button

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> Good to see you, man. Nice to meet you. >> You, too, man. Pleasure. >> I love your channel, man. It's really. great. You You're really doing some. really interesting videos. When did you. get started? >> Thanks. Well, I only started the YouTube. less than a year ago. So, >> that's crazy. It's been a bit of a wild.

ride. >> I don't even know how I found it. It was. like one of them YouTube recommends. things. It just popped up and I uh I. don't remember which one it was. It was. something on ancient history. >> Yeah. >> And I was like, "Oh, >> all right.". >> Yeah, it was cool. I mean, yeah, I. started just under a year ago, but no. one started watching until like March. And then I think you seen me just after. that point. And it's been a bit of a. big, you know, journey since then. upwards. Um, but it's been very exciting. and very happy to be here today. Very.

excited to be in Austin and uh, yeah, looking forward to talk about some. ancient history. >> So, did you start off on a traditional. academic journey and then sort of get. sidetracked into a YouTube career like. how did this work? >> Yeah, basically. So, I studied ancient. history at university for four years. Um, and I've always been interested in. history. I've done history all the way. through like I was fascinated about. history as a kid and got to the stage in. my life where it was you know thinking. about going to university so I thought. I'll do ancient history at university. and study there for four years graduated.

all of that kind of stuff but there came. a point during my degree where I was. kind of you know a little bit I I didn't. quite agree with the kind of highlevel. ideas regarding the timeline of history. and what we're taught about our ancient. past and it wasn't that I disputed. anything that I'd been taught and I have. like great respect for the people that I. met at university and my professors and. I don't dispute anything that we were. taught actually on the course but it was. more the kind of highlevel macro.

perspective of history that I found. myself having more and more questions. about and yeah so once. >> what what bothered you like what were. the questions. >> it was kind of the big questions. regarding the origins of civilization. and how deep civilization goes and how. complex human behavior. you know, I thought went way back. further into history than what we were. being taught. And I wasn't too I I just. didn't buy this idea that nothing. happened for like vast stretch of time.

because it was during my course that. they found that modern humans they made. this discovery in Morocco in 2017 or. 2018 I think and that was when I was at. university. >> Was that Dennis Ovenans? >> No. No. Homo sapiens. So I can't. remember this. It's called like the Jeb. Belud. site or something like that. But they. were modern homo sapien remains. They. thought they were Neanderthal initially. because they were so old. >> How old were they? >> They're 315,000. years old. Uh that's kind of like the. estimate. It goes up to potentially.

360,000 years old. So they're super old. And. >> yeah, they thought they were initially. Neanderthal of this age, but then they. discovered a few more and they were they. classified them as homo sapien. And when. I saw that, I was like, how is this not. kicking up more of a fuss? Because. before then the oldest homo sapien. remains we had were around 200,000 years. old and that had been the case for like. a decade or something and before that it. was like 100,000 years old. So this. discovery pushed back the age of our. species by another third like 100,000. years. So I saw that and I was thinking. like how are we still basing our kind of.

idea of history around the fact that. nothing happened for you know 310,000. years and then everything happened in. like the last you know 10,000 years. since the Neolithic Revolution. And I. just thought that was odd because, you. know, we've been in this anatomically. modern form for so long and yet we were. being taught that nothing was nothing. had happened until, you know, the last. 10,000 years. And I that just didn't. make sense to me. So that's kind of. where I started thinking about it. And. then we did this module at university I. remember called uh it was called. something like cataclysms or something.

and it was all about how in recorded. history natural disaster had a big. impact on human societies and stuff like. that and how it small like tiny changes. in climate could massively disrupt human. civilization and bring them all crashing. crashing down. And. >> the case study they used was something. called the late Bronze Age collapse. Have you ever heard the the late Bronze. Age collapse? Yeah. It's when all these. like. >> powerful influential civilizations at. the kind of peak of human progress. around 10,00 BC all simultaneously came. crashing down and no one was quite sure. why it was but the best theory we have.

is that it's um like a kind of. combination of climate factors which led. to trade disruption which led to. societal unrest and then all these. empires like the Hittite Empire the. Syrian Empire the palaces of Mason. Greece uh the Egyptian new kingdom all. within a 20 to 30 40 year period all. came crashing down at the exact same. time and I remember being hooked by that. I was like that's so crazy like we don't. even know why this happened but it was. like a a half degree change in climate. And so I remember starting to research. how, you know, bad climate had been.

during history and how bad it had been. like these big climatic episodes had. been during prehistory. And I started. thinking like, wow, if that had caused. all these civilizations to collapse, just a tiny halfderee change in climate. which caused drought which led to those. civilizations collapsing. Some of the. stuff that had been happening during. prehistory was so much worse than that. And that got me thinking like how do we. know that sophisticated human culture. hadn't flourished, you know, 10,000. years ago, 20,000 years ago, 100,000. years ago, 200,000 years ago and.

collapsed due to climate change or. natural disaster, volcanoes, comet. impacts, anything like that. And that's. kind of what set me on the journey that. along with the uh, you know, the. discovery of the remains in Morocco. And. that really got me thinking about the. story we've told regarding our past and. how I wasn't quite sure. And yeah, that's kind of what made me initially. kind of break away from the traditional. timeline that we were being taught. >> The term prehistory is weird, isn't it? Cuz it's like according to what what we.

find. Yeah. >> You know, I mean, how do we know what. historical if there was a great. cataclysm? Like if the younger dest, you know, how much history would be. written down? What would be left? How. would you find it? What would you know? >> Yeah. Yeah, you know, we we're we're. that's one of the things that disturbs. me the most is the arrogance that some. academics have to having a definitive. understanding of the exact timeline of. agriculture, civilization,

and then modern humans. >> Yeah, it annoys me. I feel like. academics as opposed to the alternative. historians are kind of more saying we. don't know, but here's a potential. hypothetical scenario that could be. possible. Whereas I feel like more. mainstream, for one of a better word, I. don't really like using that because I. don't think there's such thing as a a. mainstream. It's not like there's a. group of people that all collectively. decide, but some particularly vocal. mainstream kind of historians and. scientists seem to claim to know. absolute truth about the past. And. that's just stupid. Like how can anyone.

know about what happened 100,000 years. ago or 200,000 years ago? And it kind of. gets gets me a little bit riled up. because at the end of the day, none of. us know what happened back then. So I. think a lot more possibilities are, you. know, possible than than what many. people appreciate. And yeah. >> Did you ever see there was a a video. documentary back in the day, something. about the mysteries of the Sphinx? And. um there was this archaeologist that was. mocking uh Graham Hancock's ideas and.

Dr. Robert Shock's ideas about the. timeline saying, you know, talking about. things that existed pre10,000 years and. he was saying what ev he was like. laughing like what evidence is there of. any civilization from 10,000 years ago. This was literally I'd think around the. same time that they discovered. >> Yeah. >> Like that this guy was mocking it. I.

think slightly thereafter they. discovered Gobeclet which threw. everything into a Tizzy because now. you've got something that was absolutely. covered they believe intentionally. somewhere in the neighborhood of 11,000. years ago. Yeah, I think Gbeclete is the. biggest kind of smoking gun for at least. for the idea that civilization is older. and more complex than the traditional. model suggests because obviously as you. say it's like 12,000 years old and it's. massive megalithic pillars. Well, I.

mean, you know about Gbeclete. Probably. most people listening to this will know. about Gbecepe, but it's such a clear. sign that sophisticated human culture. was present way earlier than the. conventional timeline suggests. And I. think that at least should throw a. monkey wrench into a lot of these. people's ideas regarding human. civilization and when it began because. clearly the toolkit for civilization. existed 12,000 years ago. So, how why. couldn't it have existed a little bit. earlier than that? And why if it existed. then did it then take another 6,000. years for it to emerge in ancient Suma.

which is the kind of traditional thought. to be the earliest civilization. So. Quebec is fascinating. I love it. It's a. really interesting site. Um I think it. will one day be classed as civilization. I'm almost certain that when enough time. passes we'll kind of look at that and. because it's a whole culture the whole. Tashapella culture. There's like 14. sites at least and they all have this. kind of megalithic architecture. They. all have shared symbolism. They all. clearly connected. Like it's crazy how.

it's not defined as anything other than. hunter gatherers. And if even if you. think that hunter gatherers built. Gbeclete, then you need to massively. update the definition of what a hunter. gatherer is because clearly they had. surplus. They weren't just building. these sites in their spare time. And. yeah, it's it's a truly paradigm. shifting site. But I mean I mean. everyone kind of knows about Quebec now, >> but not everyone. But but also as. spectacular as what they've discovered. so far is, they have only unearthed 5%.

of it, which is even more bizarre. >> Yeah. >> Cuz you've got so much stuff that's. underground, you have no idea what's on. those pillars. You know, there's. speculation that one of the pillars from. Gobecute that is unearthed is some sort. of a calendar of events. And they. believe that it depicts some sort of a. disaster like that. these whatever how. they they're making these images to be. associated with either an impact or.

something. But there's a timeline that's. inscribed in these pillars. Yeah. They. there's like a a study that was written. or a paper that was written and they. think it's the pillar 43 I think it is. is kind of like a cosmic calendar and. it's like a almost a prediction model of. an impact that could happen or already. has happened and that it's like a. warning for the future that I mean that. is still disputed but I mean there's. been good research that's done into that. that suggests that's what it is and it's. certainly a site that has cosmic. alignments and has been built with the.

the stars in mind which is something. that we can say about so many ancient. sites around the world, which is another. thing that isn't really considered by, you know, quote unquote mainstream. archaeology perhaps as much as it should. be. Um so yeah it's a fascinating site. and I really think it displays a lot. about how human ingenuity and. civilization for I mean people get a bit. stuck with the word civilization because. we have this a very narrow definition of. what civilization is and it's basically. based on the old model of Mesopotamia.

which is ancient Suma and because that. was the earliest known civilization for. so long we kind of constructed this. whole idea about what a civilization is. purely based on Mesopotamia But I don't. see why that has to be what civilization. is because that was just one. civilization. And just because that was. the earliest one we'd found for a long. time and still is thought of as such. doesn't mean that that's the only way. that humanity can flourish because. humans are so adaptable. We do so many. different things and we're clever in.

different ways and we, you know, change. to different environments. And I think. that definition has really kept a lot of. people kind of boxed in when thinking. about how sophisticated human culture. could flourish in different places and. different environments and with. different pressures. And I think that's. kind of forced people to not consider. what other possibilities are um out. there. I think it's even more. fascinating if you consider the fact. that ancient Sumer and you know that.

that part of the world from about 6,000. years ago is where they're sort of. hanging their hat saying that this is. the birthplace of civilization. But if. you do have this evidence of Gobeclete. and then we are talking about some sort. of an ancient civilization that lived. 12,000 years ago like what happened? What happened? like what was the gap. between that and then it took 6,000. years before they started civilization. back up again sort of a reimagining of. civilization which makes you really at.

least makes me really consider the. possibility of a cataclysm because if. the people that survived whatever they. would be you know I mean they would. probably be living off the land they'd. probably be barely getting by and. barbaric for a long long time and if it. really took 6,000 and years to kind of. like settle down again. That is. fascinating to me. >> Yeah. And it it all ties into this idea. that we've had that agriculture leads to. civilization. But there's that bizarre.

thing that, you know, agriculture. appears in multiple different places at. pretty much the exact same time all over. the world. That's never made sense to me. because if agriculture was such a kind. of vital invention for civilization to. flourish then why did no one invent it. for you know 310,000. years and then in South America in. Mesopotamia in ancient China and you. could argue there's other different. places that so say there's like South. America and there's Central America I.

mean you could argue that's potentially. connected but a lot of people say it. isn't. So, how can agriculture if it's. such an incredible invention. be invented by multiple people at the. same time and then but no one else. thought of it before? It doesn't it. doesn't make sense to me. >> It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't. make any sense they wouldn't figure out. seeds. >> Like how how do you not know eventually. that these seeds are dropping and then. you see seedlings that are coming out of. the ground? Just that seems pretty. logical and an easy connection. And then.

you'd say, "Oh, well, if we gather these. seeds and go plant them over there, you. know, maybe we can get some fruit trees. over here.". >> Yeah. >> Oh, look at that. It worked. Like that. doesn't that seems like you'd figure. that out in one lifetime. >> I know. It's odd. I think I think the. idea is the idea always has been that. it's because of the climate, right? So, because of the holene which is which. began around 12,000 years ago as we came. out of that and we had kind of stable. climate conditions that we still live in. today. >> That's what enabled the invention of. agriculture. Right? But then the.

question I always ask is well what about. all the other warm periods that have. come in the past. If as the idea is that. you know stable climate led to. agriculture then why couldn't such a. thing have happened in the emian period. 120,000 years ago or there's been four. distinct warm periods that have lasted. for like over 10,000 years while modern. humans have been around at least. And. obviously these Morocco remains of Homo. sapiens, it's unlikely they're the. earliest Homo sapiens that ever lived. They're just the earliest we found. So.

we could be even older than that. So. considering we've been through four. distinct warm periods before the. holysine. And if the argument is that. the holene was what led to the invention. of agriculture due to the stable. climate, then why couldn't it have. happened in the earlier warm periods? That's that's a question I've always. asked myself and been fascinated by. But. >> and the real problem is there would be. very little evidence if any. >> Yeah. So this is the preservation. problem and this is something I talk. about in my videos. So I kind of always. ask the question like what if a human.

culture had flourished in the emian for. example which was from 130 to 115,000. years ago what realistically would. survive because. it's it's such a vast vast length of. time that it's really unlikely at least. as far as I can tell and obviously I'm. not a scientist I'm not like a you know. a material I'm not any kind I'm just a. guy I'm not even a historian technically. but as far as I can tell it's extremely. hard for these for any materials, but. even our modern materials in our huge.

civilization that you know 8 billion. people industrial society sending. rockets to space you know all the crazy. stuff that we're doing even us if we. disappear tomorrow I think it would be. extremely unlikely that pretty much. anything would survive when you get up. to these huge time scales of like a 100. thousand years and so I've been doing. quite a lot of you know research into. this and because I don't I obviously. don't want to you know get things wrong. and put falsehoods out there and mislead. people. I don't want to look like a a. [ __ ] in front of like like millions.

of people or whatever. So, I've been. trying to like, you know, debunk myself. or play devil's advocate to myself on. this point because, you know, that's the. best way to make your argument airtight. and no one's really out there debunking. me. Um, I don't know if that's because. I'm right, because like no one knows me. Maybe if that would change after a show. like this, but I've been really looking. into the kind of degradation of modern. materials as much as I can and trying to. work out how much would survive from a. civilization like ours if we disappeared. tomorrow in a 100,000 years time. So if.

you. >> right like some place like London or. Manhattan like what would be left in a. 100,000 years? >> Yeah. Of like an actual modern city. And. the scary truth is it's it's almost. nothing. Like there are. >> really. >> as far as I can tell and obviously. >> cement buildings they would just. deteriorate. >> They would go they would go like. concrete would crack and you'd get CO2. in there and freeze thor weathering and. over these huge time scales of like. 5,000 years 10,000 years they would just. crumble down into dust and be absolutely. imperceptible. >> Just 10,000 years.

>> I think. So obviously these I mean I'm. just doing this off the top of my head. I haven't got any notes in front of me. or anything, but as far as I can tell. from my research, it's going to be a few. like 10,000 years, 20,000 years max. It's not going to get up to these time. scales of 100,000 years. >> So, if you do add in if you you think. about what Manhattan would look like in. a 100,000 years, it's almost nothing. >> I would say it was nothing to be honest. >> Nothing. It would just get overrun by. trees again. >> Yeah. Because there's just there's it's. just such an incredible amount of time.

that all these materials that we build. with are just going to corrode and. they're going to they're going to rust. away if they're metals. They're going to. oxidize. They're going to flake until. they're just tiny little fragments that. just disperse in the sedimentary record. and they're just invisible to see. And. same with concrete, same with even. things like glass. I've heard a lot of. people say that glass would potentially. survive because glass is a, you know, it's a very durable material and glass. would survive a long time. But glass in. the form of a human-made recognizable. artifact isn't going to survive in that.

form. It's going to get crushed. It's. going to break away into tiny little. nano fragments into silica grains that. are just invisible in the kind of. archaeological record when you get up to. these huge levels of time. And yeah, I. mean there's I would say almost nothing. would survive that long. And again with. the caveat that I'm just some random. dude who's investigated this on the. internet and researched this myself, not. a scientist. If anyone out there is a. material scientist, I'd encourage them. to reach out to me, but as far as I can. tell, there are very few things that.

could possibly survive that long. Um, I. mean, we're pretty crazy [ __ ] apes. Like, we do crazy [ __ ] So, things like. nuclear weapons, like we test nuclear. weapons in the atmosphere. You could. argue if we knew when to look and what. to look for, we could see traces of. plutonium in the atmosphere from our. nuclear weapons testing or you could see. our nuclear waste deposits or things. like carved stone because stone. obviously survives a very long time. Human carved stone, you'd be able to. find that. But we do find that. We find, you know, stone tools. But just because.

ancient humans use stone tools doesn't. mean they didn't use anything else. It's. just stone is the most likely thing to. survive. And the crazy thing is. like do you Joe do you know how many. sites we have homo sapien sites from. more than 100 thousand years ago? >> How many? >> Nine. We have nine sites, nine glimpses, nine snapshots into over 200,000 years. of history. Nine moments in time and we. use that to extrapolate out what every. single human was doing for.

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whoop.comjre. for one month free of Whoop. Check it. out. And where are they mostly? >> Africa. >> And so what do they find? Like what is. the evidence? >> It's usually caves and it's usually. just, you know, remains of fire pits and. stone tools and that's kind of it. And. so we see that and we think, okay, they. just lived in caves and used stone. tools, >> right? >> But it's nine sites, nine moments in. time for 200,000 years. Well, the. problem is there's people that. essentially live like that right now in.

some parts of the world, which is really. weird, right? Because we always want to. think about technology and advancement. of civilization being sort of universal, but it's really not. You know, there's. people that are living a subsistence. lifestyle right now. There's people that. are uncontacted right now. >> at the same time as Elon Musk sending. rockets to Mars and [ __ ] Yeah. >> Right. I mean that that's the weirdest. ones is when you see them get invaded in. the Amazon. When you see them contact. these people and they're pointing bows.

and arrows at helicopters. >> Yeah. >> And you know they're naked. >> Yeah. Exactly. We're so adaptable. Humans can do so many different things. And as you say right now we're sending. rockets to space and people are living. in very traditional ways of life. And. that just because we find traditional. ways of life in I repeat nine sites to. cover 200,000 years. In my view, that's. just what we can see. That's just the. only That kind of points to my point. regarding what would possibly survive. Because if you think of all the human. lives, stories, cultures that have.

potentially existed for our whole. species existence, if we only have nine. little glimpses from, and to be fair, that nine is you could say it's up to 15. because some sites are debated, but. either way, it's a tiny tiny tiny amount. of human, you know, signs of human life. Just because in that in that fragment, in that snapshot, in that slither, all. we see is some humans with stone tools. in caves doesn't mean that nothing else. was happening. So, >> well, a good piece of evidence to that.

that would point in that direction is. Egypt. Because Egypt, even if you accept. the conventional timeline of Egypt, which is 25,00 BC for the Great Pyramid, go look at the rest of the world at. 2,500 BC. You don't see anything like. that. Nothing even close. Yeah, they. were clearly even if you kind of look at. the conventional model of history, the. ancient Egyptians were wildly ahead of. everyone else. It's just so weird. It's. like. >> so weird. >> And that's that's if you and the. conventional model doesn't really give. us any explanations of how they were.

doing what they were doing. >> Arrogantly dismiss any other. explanations, which is really weird when. you're talking about these immense. structures that are baffling. >> Yeah. >> Absolutely baffling to anybody who's. being honest. >> Yeah. What is your take on these Italian. researchers that are looking at the. tomography and they're looking at these. things that they believe are underneath. the Great Pyramid and some other. structures in Egypt? >> Yeah. The kind uh the what's it called? Like SARS Toppler I mean I don't know.

I'm I'm always a little bit suspicious. when you make sensationalist claims with. new technology and that doesn't mean. it's wrong. I just that just. >> you have to be suspic because it's. bonkers. What they're saying is 2. kilometers deep underneath the Great. Pyramid, there's structures. >> and there's hundreds of meters of these. pylons, these pillars that are in. uniform positions with some sort of a. coil wrapped under around them. Like. what what is that? What is that real? And they they reproduce it in multiple.

different scans, but I don't know what. they're seeing. I don't understand the. technology understand where the errors. could be like what what could possibly. cause it to glitch like that? >> Yeah. I mean I don't know. Um I would. love it to be true obviously because you. know. >> I would love it. Can you imagine? That's. the problem. The problem is the same. problem that I have with UFOs and. everything else. >> You want it to be true. >> 100%. So it really clouds my judgment. and then I have to get my you know. analytical mind to say shut up. Yeah. >> Let's look at this honestly. But I mean.

I think I mean there's definitely. something below the Giza plateau like. that's always been written about in. ancient sources and these these kind of. scans and then people kind of you have. stories of people going down into. labyrinths that aren't you know accepted. by. >> Egyptology and there's definitely. massive mysteries surrounding Giza and. the construction of the pyramids and. what could potentially be below the. pyramids and this kind of new uh pyramid. scan project has the potential I think.

to, you know, make big progress in. understanding what is below Giza. But I. don't know, until there's better data. out there, I I'm not going to, you know, jump to any conclusions and declare that. this is like evidence of, you know, a. lost advanced technology civilization or. anything. >> No, you can't. But I am so excited about. just the possibility that they're right. Cuz if they are right, that throw that's. the greatest monkey wrench into history. that's ever existed. Cuz explain away. that.

>> Yeah. >> With ancient people with stone tools and. or copper. Like explain that away. >> They probably try, mate, because it. already doesn't make sense their their. explanation for the construction of the. pyramids being wooden sledges and and. stone chisels or or whatever they say. It already doesn't make sense. is. already so ridiculous that I wouldn't. even be surprised if they tried to. explain away these. >> well it'll discredit them because the. problem is if it does indicate that the. pyramid is something other than a tomb. you know. >> there's not I don't even see any. evidence that the great pyramid at Giza.

I mean what's the evidence that that was. a tomb I mean did they I don't think. they've ever found a body in there it's. just a chamber which they've called the. king's chamber. >> right. >> I mean I'm not an expert in ancient. Egypt by any respect but it's always. baffled me that they're so determined. that the pyramids are tombs just because. some later pyramids have had, you know, uh, mummies and pharaohs and sarcophagi. found inside them. But. >> that doesn't mean anything. And that. that doesn't mean that they built it. That also could mean that the pharaoh. decided that it was his and wanted to be.

buried inside of it and it had existed. for thousands of years before they ever. even got there. >> And you can you find bodies in like, you. know, buildings today and that doesn't. mean the purpose of that building was to. be a tomb. It's just someone's buried. there. So someone Yeah. as you say, >> it's a weird assumption. It's a very. weird assumption. And did you ever read. any Christopher uh. >> Christopher Dunn? Yeah. >> Christopher Dunn's work. >> I know a bit. I haven't read his book, but I know a bit about it. It's. interesting. I mean, he's like a serious. guy, isn't he? He's like Exactly. And he. has quite serious theories that.

>> he thinks it's a power plant. >> Yeah. Which would be crazy, wouldn't it? Especially. if you you add into that the Graham. Hancock's ideas and some of these other. people's ideas that perhaps some of. these structures are far older. >> Well, the kind of Orion correlation and. the Sphinx uh. >> also the fact that the the deeper you go. into the sand, the more sophisticated. the building techniques are. >> Yeah, >> that guy's weird. Like larger stones. like what happened? the whole of like.

ancient Egypt and the Sahara Desert in. general just doesn't make sense to me. because when you look at the Sahara. Desert and the fact that it was green. for 9,000 years and then it stopped. being green at precisely the time that. we're told ancient Egypt emerged. >> That doesn't make sense. That defies how. civilization works. Why would a. civilization only emerge after the. climate got worse? Like that doesn't. make sense at all. like. >> and so little research done in. subsaharan Africa where they've actually. gone into the ground and done like.

largecale research of these immense. areas. >> nothing nothing the Sahara desert is. vast and obviously covered in sand and. extremely hot extremely difficult to. survey politically unstable and there's. basically been no archaeological work. done across the whole and the Sahara. desert is massive it's like the whole of. North Africa right down to like I mean. it's massive and. >> you could fit the United States in there. >> you could fit anything in there like a. whole like preeding civilization for. 9,000 years leading up to ancient Egypt.

Like it's the perfect place. It's right. by Mesopotamia. It's right by Egypt. And. yet we have this blank spot for the. 9,000 years before the development of. civilization which is kind of also the. gap between I mean it's a little bit. less than this but the gap between. Quebec and the birth of civilization we. have this huge area which would have. been perfect for civilization full of. rivers lakes grasslands perfect climate. and it's just missing also abundant. resources where they could establish a. stable civilization because they had so.

much food and and they weren't being. attacked. So they could kind of set up. shop and figure some things out. >> Yeah. >> Over a long period of time. >> Yeah. So my theory is that things were. happening in the Sahara Desert when it. was green in the green Sahara for those. 9,000 years. And then because it was. really quick, that's what I don't think. people realize is that when the Sahara. Desert turned from, you know, green, lush, paradise, whatever you want to. call it, to a desert, it was like a few. centuries. It's called rapid. desertification. And it it flipped, not.

overnight obviously, but in a few. centuries compared to 9,000 years, it's. a rapid change. And for any kind of. culture that was living there, you. wouldn't have noticed it straight away, but in 50 years, you'd be like, "Fuck, it's getting a bit hot here." You know. what I mean? Like [ __ ] is going on. And. then I think maybe people migrated to. the last stretch of green that was still. available to them, which was the Nile. River. And then the kind of survivors or. the migratory populations developed. around the Nile River and using the kind. of experience and knowledge that they.

had from their lives and the kind of. history of their cultures in the green. Sahara period. That is what led to. ancient Egypt. I mean, that's just a. >> Well, it's also just an assumption that. ancient Egypt didn't exist alongside. that or even previous to that, >> which is also possible, especially when. you consider what Robert Chock thinks. about the erosion, the water erosion, the temple of the Sphinx. >> Yeah. The kind of explanation away of. that also never made sense to me that. it's wind and sand because when you see. pictures of the Sphinx, even from when.

they kind of found it in Napoleonic. times, it's buried in sand, >> right? Right. And there's records from. the Egyptians themselves who uh you know. took uh excavated it effectively because. it was covered in sand. So if it quickly. gets covered in sand, how could it be. eroded by wind and sand if it doesn't. take very long for it to you know kind. of get filled up with sand? Then how. does wind and sand erosion even count? I've never seen anyone kind of explain. that away. >> Well, the it's the walls that are the. most fascinating to me because the the. deep fissures that clearly look like.

rainfall. It looks like something that. water does over thousands of years. >> Yeah. >> You know, and when you. >> those whales that were the whale, the. valley of the whales, it's just about I. don't know how many miles south, but. it's south of Cairo. >> That's bonkers, too. >> That's crazy. They find whales. Hundreds. of whales in the desert. That's so. crazy. Look at that image. That's so. nuts. That is so nuts. >> Some of them had teeth and toes.

So crazy. So crazy. And then it's it makes you. wonder like how did those bones survive? Like why why are they there? Like how. quickly did they die? How quickly did. they get covered up by sediment that. they could find them all these years. later? Because that's the the weird. thing about fossils and bones in general. is that most of them you're never going. to find because they get eaten. They. they deteriorate. They they're gone. Like it's very difficult to make a. fossil, you know, when you you think.

about our, you know, quote unquote. fossil record. It's really weird because. it's hard to make a fossil. So, we're. dealing with a very small amount of. beings that get turned into a fossil and. that is what we're using. as our understanding of like life. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's weird. It. >> is weird. It is. >> It's so limited. I'm not sure when was. the do you know when the Sahara was. covered in water. I'm not even sure when. that was. I mean some people say that. there's like a mass flood during the.

kind of younger dest period which I. think is. >> I think they're talking about millions. of years ago for these bones. How old. are these um. >> whale bones supposed to be? >> But I think millions of years ago it's. assumed that it was completely. underwater. Right. So are we talking. like pangia times? Like what are we. talking about? But even um not too long ago, like you. know, kind of 12,000 years ago or. whatever, they had these massive uh. river systems like the Tamaras River. system. >> Here it is. >> Are million years old.

>> Yeah. 40 million years old. >> I don't know about the whales. >> Oh my god. >> Primitive whales. >> Primitive whales documenting. How do you. say that word? Sit. Citation. How do you. say that word? Citation transition. Is. that how you say it? >> Citation transition to marine life. uh. seridians and reptiles as well as shark. teeth from the uh genahham formation 40. to 41 million years ago. The strata in. >> I don't say that either wad alitan.

uh belongs to middle eosene epoch and it. contains extensive vertebrae fossils. within a 200 kilometer area. Fossils are. present in high numbers and often show. excellent quality of preservation. And. the most conspicuous fossils are. skeletons and bones of whales and sea. cows. >> What's a sea cow? >> I don't know, man. >> A manatee. >> You ever see the the precursor to. whales? Like where whales came from? >> No. Where did they come from? >> It was an ancient animal that was like a.

almost like a a hooved wolf. >> What? Sea sea animal? Oh, you mean Oh, land animal. That's why they breathe. air. >> Of course they're mammals, aren't they? >> Yeah. That's weird. >> It's super weird. It's super weird. It. was some animal that supposedly lived on. land and was real freaky looking. Almost. kind of like doglike. >> Yeah. >> And that thing eventually. >> I just like swimming. >> I'm going to get back. >> And then one day it said, "I'm never.

going back to the land. It's filled with. [ __ ] I'm just going to live out. here in the ocean where all you have to. contend with is sharks.". >> This article calls it the god of death. whale. >> Wow. That's what it looked like. That's. what it looked like. There's some images. of it on land. Um, some depictions. Yeah, that's what it looked like. That. freaky thing was what whales came from. That thing walked around on the ground. and then eventually said, "Eh, >> it's 40 million years ago. Is that what. those skeletons are then?" Maybe.

>> Interesting. Some of them maybe, right? Because they do know that thing. It was. when whales walked in Egypt. Wow. I was watching um I think I don't. remember whose podcast it was. I wish I. could remember, but they were they were. talking to some guy that found. definitive evidence of dinosaurs in. Egypt. So, if you go back far enough, there were dinosaurs living in that part. of the world as well. What's that one. image you just saw right there with the. the mouth open? Yeah, that one. That's. crazy looking. Prehistoric whale.

ancestor. Look at that thing. Whoa, that's crazy. This here's the sea cows. >> What? >> This image says a prehistoric sea cow. was killed by a prehistoric croc. >> Wow. >> Then eaten by a tiger shark. I don't. know. >> Boy, life is hard where there's no doors. >> That's the problem with the ocean. There's no doors. There's nowhere to. hide. >> So, it's just constant chaos. It is just. constant things eating things in this 3D.

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communities until the Neolithic. Revolution. And I think that's one of. the major paradigms if you like that we. have regarding our past that simply. doesn't make sense in light of new. evidence. And I just. >> What is that evidence that they found of. wood construction from far longer than. they thought? >> Yeah, this is the Colbo structure. And. this is something I talk about a lot in. my videos because I think it's a crazy. find and I don't understand why it's not. kicking up more of a fuss. Like. >> if I'm the guy that has to kick up the.

fuss about it, then I'll be that guy. because. basically we've the idea has always been. that humans were nomadic hunter. gatherers that moved with the seasons. and lived in caves or just kind of. walked around for all of our history. until the Neolithic Revolution, the. invention of agriculture 12,000 years. ago. And no earlier than that did we. ever settle down and live in permanent. settlements. But the Colbo structure was. something they found a few years ago in. modernday Zambia. And what it is is this.

these pieces of wood. And I'll get to. the point about why this wood has. survived in a minute because obviously. you know wood surviving this long is. crazy. But there you go. Yes. So the. Columbbo structure is these pieces of. wood that have been joined together. deliberately cut in notches and. connected together, tapered and secured. at right angles. and they think it was. either a kind of raised walkway, like a. kind of raised platform or a house, a. dwelling, a hut, some kind of structure. And why this is so paradigm shifting is.

because not only does this kind of. scream that humans potentially lived in. permanent settlement. Sorry, I haven't. even said this. This is 476,000. years old. So, this predates Homo. sapiens. So, >> allegedly. >> Allegedly. As in, what do you mean. allegedly? Oh, because we recently found. out that they lived 300,000 years ago, >> I guess. Yeah, it could have been us. But what they they attribute it to is. Homo had begunis, who's our last common. ancestor with uh Neanderthals. So, they're kind of the human species that.

came before Homo sapiens. So, I guess. you're right, it could have been Homo. sapiens, and we're just not sure how old. we are, but it's um. >> it's kind of attributed to Homohad. against this. And the only reason this. structure survived at all is because. pretty soon after its construction, it. must have fallen into a bog. And then. that bog kind of got solidified over by. the sun. And then it was preserved in. water log sediment which protected it. from decay for almost half a million. years until it was discovered by us. recently. And. >> how recent?

>> I think about 5 years ago maybe. Was it. 2019 or something? I'm not 100% sure. But it's crazy. It lasted so long. >> Monkey wrench. Yeah, I would say it's a. massive monkey range because not only. does it kind of really dispute this idea. that we didn't settle down until, you. know, 12,000 years ago with the. Neolithic Revolution cuz I mean it's a. it's a structure. I mean, >> and it's just because it's so unlikely. It's so unbelievable that this would. have survived. But that kind of suggests. that it's it's not the only one,

>> right? >> There could have been loads of these. like structures everywhere. >> But as you said, manhattan. >> Yeah. wouldn't live wouldn't exist in a. 100,000 years. So, this is 476,000. years. Yeah, it's ridiculous. >> And it's just wood, which is less. durable than all the other things that. we were talking about. >> Yeah. And obviously, people may be. saying, well, look, clearly things. survive. But this is an extreme edge. case scenario where it's it's like so. unbelievably unlikely that this wooden. structure would kind of sink into a bog. and then that bog be, you know,

solidified over and then it would stay. in that preserved like it's a. >> and then that they would find it. >> And then they they would find it. Exactly. Because you know what? >> 476,000. years into the sediment. >> Yeah. Exactly. Because we don't dig that. far and look for anything sophisticated. because we think, you know, nothing. happened back then. And then you find. this and. >> it really suggests that humans were. living in much more complex societies. and they I mean they the fact that they. had the cognitive capacity to plan. structurally engineer and build a. structure completely flies in the face.

of what we've always thought about. ancient humans because we've always had. this idea that there's been this very. popular idea in in kind of mainstream. historical thought that humans only got. smart around 50 to 60,000 years ago. And. that's just homo sapiens. We've always. thought that other human species never. got smart, never achieved what we call. behavioral modernity. And this has. always been the kind of idea that we. went through this cognitive revolution. around 50 to 60,000 years ago. And the.

the most obvious proponent of how. entrenched this is in kind of academic. thought is, have you ever read the book. Sapiens? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. By Noah Harrari. It's an. extremely popular book. It sold. something like 60 million copies. worldwide. by far the most popular book. about prehistory and you know the story. of Homo sapiens ever written. And. Sapiens didn't kind of do anything new. It didn't uh I think Harrari himself. would admit this. It it didn't um. it didn't it it it kind of just.

collected the consensus of academia and. presented it in a nice digestible way to. the kind of layman audience. But he took. this idea that's always been present in. academia regarding human intelligence, which is that while we've been around. for quite a long time, we didn't achieve. behavioral modernity until 50 to 60,000. years ago. And that's when we started. apparently displaying complex cognitive. traits like abstract thinking and uh. planning and bearing our dead and. >> art. >> Art. Yeah, exactly. And complex language. and things like that. And but this just.

completely flies in the face of that. because if we had the capability to. plan, construct and engineer a structure. 476,000 years ago, that means, you know, mainstream anthropology was off by over. 400,000 years regarding the advent of. intelligence and the advent of permanent. living. And that's I mean that's quite. the error. >> 400,000 years. Exactly. So that kind of. suggests they could be off by similar. margins about other developmental claims.

because I don't know that's a big big. error. >> Well, it's also when you think about the. history of the earth, there are times. that we know that there was like there's. great bottlenecks that occurred because. of some sort of a massive natural. catastrophe like the Toba volcano. >> Yeah. >> Right. The Toba volcano which was 70. 70,000 years ago. Is that what it was? >> Something like that. Yeah. um brought. people down to a few thousand survivors. Yeah. On Earth. >> Yeah. There's loads of these bottlenecks. when you look at our kind of genetic.

history and I mean that suggests that. you something happened, >> right? Well, well, well, you're thinking. about what evidence there is and then. you think about well there's no one left. except a few thousand people 70,000. years ago. So, it's possible that. there's been this rise of some sort of a. civilization and then massive. catastrophe and a rebuilding just like. if we're talking about the younger dus. which is in this time period we're. talking about, you know, when you're. dealing with 476,000 years ago, fairly.

recent, right? Right. And think about. the 6,000 years it took for civilization. to reemerge from that. Now you think of. Toba and you knock down the entire. population of the planet to what did. they think it was? See if you can find. out what the number was. I think it was. very low. I think it was below 3,000. people on Earth. >> Yeah. >> On Earth. >> Yeah. One massive super volcano which is by. the way just like Yellowstone.

>> Yeah. >> There's lots. It could it could all. happen again. >> That [ __ ] is bubbling too. Um. here it is. uh potentially almost all of humanity, leaving around 3,000 to 10,000 humans. left on the planet. >> That's crazy. >> Wow. >> And super volcano isn't the only thing. There's so many others. I mean, >> what time period is this, Jamie? Does. 74,000 years ago? >> So, that's quite recent. >> Yeah. >> In terms of our story. Well, in terms of. your theory that I thought was one of. the most interesting ones that you.

brought up um that in your videos, you. were talking about how anatomical humans. just based on what we've agreed to ba. based on what we found 300,000 years. like what are the possibilities that. there have been civilizations that. emerged and were destroyed and then. there's no evidence of them. >> Yeah. Because I mean aside from the. preservation problem which we kind of. already t talked about when you get up. to these massive time scales you know. very little is going to survive. especially when you think about what. early humans were likely building with.

>> Yes. >> Like. >> it's probably the things they could find. in their environment like wood hide. plant remains. >> You'd have nothing left. >> Just look at what we know about the. Amazon now. >> Yeah. >> Because of liar and because of you know. what is his name? Percy. >> Faucet. >> Percy Faucet. Because these people that. made these journeys down there looking. for these complex civilizations that at. one point in time now we know did exist. there. >> Yeah. >> And just a hundred years later they. called those people liars because they. went back to the same place and there. was nothing left.

>> Yeah. >> That's always been, you know, thought of. as as myth or or pseudocience that that. it's kind of that most popular idea of. lost civilizations with civilizations of. the Amazon and it was always dismissed. >> Well, here's what's really crazy. Have. you seen Detroit? Have you seen the. evidence of Detroit where trees are. going through houses. >> and that's like 50 years less? Or if you. look at Chernobyl, the the kind of. exclusion zone where no one lives, it's. already like trees everywhere and like. nature is already taking root after less. than half a century.

>> Yeah. Bizarre. >> And then you 100,000 years like. seriously what's going to be left? >> Very very little. And then if you go. 200,000 years, I mean, if if. anatomically modern humans, if the we've. discovered them at 300,000 years, what. if somebody digs one up that's two. million years old? Then what do you do? Then then you got to go, oh boy. >> Oh boy. And then there's also this. thought that Neanderls were stupid. They're kind of abandoning that now, too. They're thinking they had language, they had tools, they had society. >> They definitely did. There's so much.

evidence and this kind of puts into the. cognitive revolution argument which is, you know, that we were the only smart. species. Like our name that we gave. ourselves, homo sapiens, literally means. smart man. It's always been the idea. that we're the smartest humans and. that's why we won. And to be fair, we. did win. >> We did win. >> win. Whatever you want to call, >> we might just be the most evil. >> Yeah, we might be the most evil or we. just might be the luckiest ones, you. know. >> Well, we're the weakest, so we probably. had to be evil. True. We had to figure. out weapons that were would be able to. defeat the Neanderthalss who had by the.

way larger brain capacities and they. were just as intelligent as us to be. honest. >> That's nuts. >> Well, I I mean that's a that's a claim. that probably some people would dispute, but I think there's lots of evidence. that they were very smart and. >> well, necessity is the mother of. invention, right? And if you're. physically weaker than these other. things that are as intelligent as you. and far stronger, >> like you got to you got to get devious. You got to figure some stuff out. >> But like did we even I mean either I.

mean maybe they got wiped out by. something like disease or did they even. get wiped out? Because if you even look. at the DNA of non-African humans, it's. something like 20% in some populations. is Neanderthal. So they're kind of still. here. >> Well, they just sort of interbred. Yeah. Which is also weird because most species. can't breed with other species. >> Yeah. >> Just you know. >> But we're very I mean we're very closely. related to Neanderthals. Yeah, it's. weird. The the whole history of humans. is weird. And for academics to deny this.

possibility to me seems so shortsighted. >> I know it will change. >> Silly. >> I think we're on the brink of quite a. massive shift in our perspective. regarding. >> I think so too. And I think it has to. happen where I don't mean to say this to. be cruel, but they the old people have. to die. >> It's that quote, isn't it? Um, science. advances one funeral at a time. >> I hope it doesn't take that long though, to be honest. show. I hope it I hope. it's just in the next few years. >> Well, the good thing is a lot of. scientists don't take care of. themselves. So, >> which is also weird when you see super.

intelligent people that are obese and. eat terrible food. >> or health experts that are are such. >> Yes. air quote health experts, not real. ones. But it is um to me a great. disservice. And one of the things that I. find uh very promising is that a lot of. young academics are embracing a lot of. alternative ideas whether quietly or. whether they're doing it publicly. >> Yeah. I think the advent of the internet. um and you know shows like this or the.

medium of podcasting has really kind of. democratized the access to information. and allowed people with theories that. potentially wouldn't have been able to. get out there in the the pre- internet. age where they were kind of you had to. go through a kind of academic. institution to get a theory heard or. debated. Now anyone can say anything for. better or worse and that can you know. reach millions of people and then if. it's an idea that's popular then it can. kind of be in the public eye and then it. can be debated properly and I think. that's only a good thing. Obviously.

there are negative aspects to that but I. think that will increase you know ideas. regarding prehistory for example I think. it will increase the rate in which these. things will get accepted because once. the evidence is out there and once you. start you know talking about the colombo. structure for example and how it. completely flies in the face of both. these paradigms regarding permanent. living and human intelligence it's out. there now people can look it up and. people can see that this is completely. kind of opposed to what we've always.

been taught regarding prehistory. >> And isn't it kind of arrogant to assume. that they know who built it, too? That's. weird, too, because they're basing it on. this assumption that human beings didn't. exist back then. At least homo sapiens. didn't exist back then, which is also. being challenged over and over and over. again. >> Yeah. The fact they base on hobbus is. literally just because we found some had. against remains like 200 km away and. they're like, "Okay, well, it's Helen. against this." I mean, it could have. been to be fair, but. >> it could have been, but I mean, right. now there's people that are living in.

Africa and 200 kilometers away from them. are apes. >> So, if one day they found structures, you know, in the future said, "Oh, these. are made by chimpanzees.". >> Yeah, >> that's kind of crazy. >> Yeah, it's kind of crazy. I mean, that's. the thing about history is it's all. based on massive assumptions. It's not. like a hard science. It's interpreting. evidence and that's fine. Like, that's. how we do it. But. >> that's why I don't get the only way to. do it right now. >> It's the only way to do it. So that's. why I don't get why people make these. definitive conclusions and then don't. allow anybody to kind of speculate or. hypothesize about anything else.

>> It's gatekeeping. >> Yeah. >> It's gatekeeping. It's academic. gatekeeping. It's also this these people. that have been teaching this one thing. forever being threatened by the fact. they were wrong. The last thing an. academic wants wants to hear is like you. wrote this book, this stupid book. This. book misled people for decades. You were. so wrong. like they will fight it with. every ounce of their being because it's. essentially their identity. Their. identity is being the gatekeeper of. their understanding of human history. >> Yeah. They've built a whole career. around it and they've, you know, as you.

say, it's their identity. They've been. the knowledge, the keeper of knowledge. on a particular subject. And. >> but it's gross because it's ours. It's. the whole planet. It's all the human. beings. It's like for do you have a few. nerds who you wouldn't want to hang out. with in real life and these are the guys. that are telling us we we can't explore. these things and those are the people. that are attacking Graham Hancock with. every possible insult calling it the. most dangerous show on television like. but it's also it's it's so revealing.

because it's so obvious that if you. watch the show you're like wait this is. the most dangerous show on TV. >> Apocalypse. Yeah. >> Yeah. Like how is that dangerous? He's. like just talking about these bizarre. structures that exist that seem to defy. our modern understanding of how things. are built. >> Yeah. And when I I mean I don't agree. with absolutely everything Graham Hanok. says, but when I look at you know these. ideas of. you know human intelligence potentially. stretching back 500,000 years as.

displayed by the Columbbo structure or. permanent living and I would argue that. it could go back a lot further than. that. So when you look at when you kind. of take into account that these. abilities could have stretched back half. a million years. When I then look at. someone like Graham's work, it seems so. plausible. I don't see why it's seen as. so outrageous that cuz 12,000 years ago, which is kind of when he proposes there. could have been a, you know, a. sophisticated civilization that was. potentially wiped out by a cataclysm. When you look at that from the. perspective of, oh yeah, we've been.

intelligent for half a million years, it. doesn't seem very it doesn't it seems. very plausible to me. >> Not only that, it's 450,000. years after the first structure now. >> Yeah. But no one's even no one's talking. about this. >> That's what's weird is that no one's. talking about that is that. >> it's just me as far as you. It's like. those academics as well that found it. To be fair, the the guy that found it, the archaeologist that found it said. that he never could have imagined that. prehom sapien, and again, it might not. be prehom, it could be homo sapien, but.

he said it's completely paradigm. shifting that they had the capacity to. plan and build something like this. But. again, there's no there's no fuss about. it. It's just a paper was written and it. was put out there and then it's that's. it. >> Well, these things take time, >> I guess. So, >> yeah. I mean more of these conversations. and more people have to understand that. these things are being discovered and. that we are kind of confused about so. many things about human history and. we're being told that no there's people.

at the universities that have all the. answers and that it's literally not. possible that they're telling the truth. It's not possible. And that's why I get. so excited about the structures under. the pyramid because it's a gigantic [ __ ]. you to all those people. It would be the. most gigantic [ __ ] you of all time if. they found out those that those scans. are accurate and there's these pillars. that are wrapped in coils that go down. like hundreds of meters and then below. them there's additional structures and. the whole. >> I think it's all connected as well.

>> Yes. Which is like if Christopher Don is. correct about it being some sort of a. power plant and that reveals like how. the thing worked and functioned. >> That's way more advanced than us. Like. what is that? In some ways they already. are. I mean we can't explain how they. did it even based on the kind of. conventional model of history. >> I know we lie. >> Yeah. >> I've talked to so many people like when. I had Zoe Hawas here and he was. explaining to me. >> national project. >> It was the national project. They're. like oh that'll fix it. We should make. our national project to breathe.

underwater and fly through the air. Like. we should make that our national project. to go to the go to other planets and. live there in case Earth gets blown up. What are you talking about man? [ __ ] are. you talking about? Yeah, they just don't. want it. And it it does kind of make me. worry like I don't really delve into the. kind of conspiracy side of things cuz I. mean I just I try to stay kind of based. in. >> Not me. I go right in. >> I mean first I do in my own time and. stuff but I mean in my own head and. stuff but in terms of like my. >> What one do you dive into in your own. head the most? >> Um I sometimes combine the UFO one with.

the ancient civilization one. >> I do too. And I think what happens if. you know a civilization from a million. years ago got so advanced that we can't. see them and then that's what the UFO. thing is is just someone from this earth. that doesn't really need the space. anymore and they're just watching us. >> Yeah. >> Sometimes think about that. But. obviously I don't talk about that in my. videos cuz I don't need to give anyone. any more ammunition to send for me. >> Well, there's also the genetic. engineering one. >> Oh, you mean like the. >> Yeah, like why humans are so different. than everything else in the first place.

Like that's weird. The doubling of the. human brain size over a period of two. million years is really weird. >> What does that refer to? Is that from. habilis to erectus? What is that? Is. that. >> I don't know. Let's uh let's Google it. >> I've heard people say that and I've. always thought I guess that must be from. homohabilis to homo erectus from just. years ago. an immense leap that is uh. like Terrence McKenna used to say, it. would be bizarre if it was a liver of an.

otter. >> that doubled over a period of that. amount of time. But the fact that it's. the very organ that allows us to. contemplate and to understand human. existence in the first place and that. that organ doubled over a period of two. million years. Like what happened? >> Yeah. Yeah. He's got the wackiest theory. because he thinks it's psilocybin. mushrooms. >> I think there could be something to. that. I mean, because you know, ancient. cultures have always used psychedelic.

substances and basically all the way up. until western civil uh society kind of. took hold. It's always been an integral. part of human culture and human society. and then us in our modern world have. decided to outlaw that. And yeah, I. think that's a tragic mistake to be. honest with you. It is and I think. history will reveal that. >> Yeah. >> One day. And I think that is one of the. also one of the good things about. discussions that are happening on the. internet that are kind of unchecked and.

untethered by academia. So you can talk. about these things. >> bigger bl brains. >> Smithsonian website says it's actually. tripled over the time we've tracked it. slow increase from 6 to 2 million but a. larger increase 800 to 200,000 years. ago. >> Wow. >> And then the article goes. >> that's when the aliens landed. >> Yeah. >> So I didn't even buy that though because. hadis have the same cranial capacity as. us and they go back 900,000 years. So.

>> another thing I saw before I. >> but maybe that's a rectus they're. talking about. >> Brains don't fossilize. deteriorate leaving a cavity. >> inside the brain case. >> Part of how they know some of this info. >> sometimes sediments fill the cavity harm. me and natural endoccast scientists also. make artificial endoccast to study like. the ones above. Fascinating. Fascinating. >> Yeah, we're a weird creature. >> Did you say it's 2017 that they. discovered modern humans 300,000 years.

ago? >> I think so. Yeah. >> And where was that? >> It's in Morocco. >> So that's in Morocco, right? You said. that. So imagine if they found something. similar in China. >> Well, that would [ __ ] everything up. because they're out of Africa thing and. that would really that would really [ __ ]. everything up. But um I mean it could. happen. >> Well, it wouldn't really even [ __ ] it. up. It would just push it back, >> I guess. So yeah, but I mean we're not. even supposed to have left Africa until. this time of the cognitive revolution. And that's always been the one of the. points like, oh look, we got smart, we. left Africa 60,000 years ago. But that's.

never made sense to me either because. Homo erectus managed to migrate out of. Africa and colonize loads of Asia and. parts of Europe over a million years. ago. And if they're supposedly, you. know, inferior to us, then how can they. make this massive leap? And Haleis did. it 600,000 years ago. And if they're. supposedly inferior to us, how come they. did this? And so, I mean, I don't know. I try not to delve into the out of. Africa thing because it's I don't know. It gets a little bit controversial. sometimes. >> It does. Well, it gets controversial. when you bring in aliens, too, because. aliens become racist.

>> It becomes racist because now you're not. accrediting the Africans to building the. pyramids, >> you know, which is really. >> that's never made sense to me that. because it clearly wasn't white people. that built the pyramids. >> Well, I watched this very bizarre. discussion between some guy that was. trying to claim that it wasn't Africans. that built the pyramid, that it was. white people that built the pyramids. So. there are people that have this sort of. racist idea of the construction of the. pyramids, but you can't attach that to. everyone who's speculating about the. construction because it's too the things.

are too weird. It's too weird. And let's. assume that it was Africans that built. the pyramids. But if we are assuming. that like how were they so much smarter. than everyone alive today? How were they. so much smarter? Let's say it's 4,500. years ago. How were they so much. smarter? What was going on? Like, what. happened? Did they get visited by. aliens? Did they discover something that. allowed their understanding of physics. to be just so much greater than. everybody else who's ever lived? Like,

what did they discover? Like, what were. they encountering? What were they. consuming? What were they doing? What. what was what were they teaching each. other? What you know, we lost so much in. the burning of the library of. Alexandria, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. that that's that's it's. quite sad really, isn't it? To be. honest, like there would have been a lot. in I'm not sure 100% what happened with. that. I'm not sure if it was one burning. or. >> there's several burnings, but clearly a. lot was lost. >> But then then the question is like what. did they even know? Like what if it's.

older than that? Like what if all that. stuff what if you know this is one of. the things that Zawi Hawas was uh very. reluctant to he's like what is this? Like I was talking about the king's list. that goes back 30,000 years. Yeah. Like. what if that's accurate? >> Yeah. as the Sumerian one does too. >> Yeah, >> it gets real squirrely when you only. want to accept some parts of history. >> And that ties into the green Sahara. thing that I was talking about. Like I. mean they have king list that go back. this far. And yeah, we say that some of. them are myth. And to be fair, they have.

kings that reign for like a thousand. years, which. >> it's a bit weirder. >> Is a bit weird. >> Probably not. I mean, unless you're. talking some kind of alien thing, then. that probably wasn't human. But that. might just be cuz it would have been a. long time ago for them too when they. were writing these king lists. Sure. But. it doesn't mean that their civilization. only started with the first dynasty. What we've decided is the line between. myth and fact cuz that's a modern. interpretation after the fact. They. never made such distinction. >> Yeah. And this idea that they lived a. thousand years. Well, have you ever read. the the North Korea depictions of Kim.

Jong-un's first day playing golf? >> Yeah. It's propaganda. Exactly. I mean, he made like nine holes in one. He was. the greatest golfer of all time. >> You know what I'm saying? So, it's like. you're writing about kings. He lived a. thousand years. Fire came from his dick. You know, like like what are we talking. about? We don't know. We don't we don't. know what they were writing. We don't. know who wrote it. We don't know how. fantastical it was, how much hyperbole. was involved. But we do know that we. accept the king's list when it gets to. around 2,500 BC. We start accepting it.

>> Yeah. >> But you don't accept this possibility. that it might actually go far far far. earlier than that. And the whole the. pyramids thing kind of by uh plays into. the fact that stone is one of the only. thing that survives. And pyramids are. these massive stone constructions. Like. ironically, they would be one of the. only things from our not that they. really count as our civilization, but. from the modern world, the pyramids. would be one of the only things that. could survive in 100,000 years. So it. makes you think like how long have they.

been there? And I think the Egyptians. definitely undertook some some kind of. construction project around the time of. 2,500 BC. >> Oh, for sure. >> Cuz there's records of them saying they. did stuff, but that doesn't mean cuz. they they have all these records, but. there's no records of how they built it. >> Well, they also the bu the buildings. that they made that were after 2,500 BC. are dog [ __ ]. >> So much worse. They just immediately. forgot how to do it again straight away. >> They were trying to copy and they just. couldn't do it. They didn't have the.

math. They didn't have the engineering. They The stones are smaller. It's. >> And no one's claim they don't claim. credit for the pyramids, which is weird. >> Yeah. >> Why would you not claim it? >> Yeah. It's all weird. It's all weird. It's uh it's the weirdest, right? So, it's the one thing that if you're a. logical person and you think you know. the timeline of history, you think you. understand human civilization, you think. you understand like how intelligence. evolved and how technology and. innovation evolved and you see that.

you're like, "Oh, I don't know [ __ ] I. don't know shit." Like, how do how's. that statue so big and perfectly. symmetrical? >> They're crazy. >> How are these just these voses that they. don't understand? >> Oh, is that a replica? is a 3D. >> and this is a 3D model of an actual vase. from Egypt. >> Yeah, they're doing some good work on. this, aren't they? People like. >> Uncharted. Did Christopher Don give this. to us? I think he did. >> It's probably him. Yeah. >> Um but you know, Ben from Uncharted X,

he's done a lot of work on these things. Like those just those voses are very. bizarre. >> Very bizarre. >> And they appear right in the start of. the Egyptian dynasties. >> Yeah. Yeah. And they forget how to do. that as well. >> We have no idea how they made them. We. don't know what tools they used. Anybody. that says that they do, you're lying. You really don't know. You can't know. These things are perfectly symmetrical. They weren't turned on a lathe because. they have handles. The the the way they. measure them when you look at like the.

deviation from round and like how it's. it's it's like a thousandth of a human. hair. >> Yeah. >> It's crazy. And it's made from. incredibly hard granite. >> It's the hardest stone to to do that. with. >> So what are we talking about? Like who. who are these people? >> Yeah. >> This is kind of crazy. >> And then you have the statues that are. perfectly symmetrical and the faces are. just incredible. >> and massive. >> Yeah. And that huge. Unbelievably huge. >> So they moved them there and then they. carved them perfectly symmetrically. It.

looks like they're 3D printed. It's so. strange. It just screams at a lost. technology. At least it screams that. these people had some sort of. information and some sort of education. that is like on a different path of our. we went the the way of the internal. combustion engine and transistors and. electronics and they it seems like they. went a totally different way but maybe. even further.

>> Yeah. But we're we're scrambled in like. our pathway to advancement is the only. one that the human mind and all its. infinite creativity can con conceive of. >> And this is another point regarding like. you know culture that could have. flourished back in 100,000 years ago or. whatever. We're always looking for. ourselves in the past and. >> but there's so many different ways that. we could have gone because why did it. have to be mass farming, mass population. growth and then as you say kind of.

industrial. progress. It could have been so many. different forms of human development and. human lives and. >> Well, it could have been if they had. enough animals, they mostly ate animals. >> Yeah. Or fish or something. >> Yeah. Mostly ate animals and fish, which. is probably healthier for you anyway. You know, really what grain is is. survival food. >> Yeah. And we all got like shorter and. less healthy when that happened. >> Yeah. Because we didn't get the right. amount of protein. Yeah. >> And our jaws like shrunk cuz people are. eating grl. Like if you look at part of.

the world where people are eating a lot. of like porridge and [ __ ] their jaws. got really small. >> Yes. >> Not good for us. >> No, it's [ __ ] terrible for we're. devolving because of our diets, which is. really strange. But if you think about. this time and especially that part of. the world where there was so much. abundant natural resources that animal. agriculture seems super simple. >> You just corral a bunch of animals, you. build a fence and then you eat them. >> Yeah. >> And you don't really have to grow rice.

>> So many different ways that culture. could have flourished. >> Yeah. >> And yeah, we're always looking for and. we just don't know where to look as well. on the record. by one point people. always make in like my comments and. stuff to try and debunk me is like, oh, we would see pollution. We would see. kind of lead signals in the atmosphere. or whatever if there was like a a big. civilization 100,000 years ago. But. >> that's only the case if it was someone. on the scale of us now because. >> or if they were doing it the way we're. doing it. That's the thing where we're.

talking about a completely different. pathway. Clearly, there's some. technology that they had that we don't. understand. When you talk about the. drill holes that they find or the way. they had carved out these enormous. um massive chunks of stone and were. apparently going to move them, we don't. know. >> The unfinished oblisk. Yeah, it's crazy. >> The unfinished obl that's bananas. So. many of these things that they they cut. out of the ground and absolutely moved.

are bananas. Yeah. So, it's like, what. what kind of technology? Why are we. assuming that it's going to be some. internal combustion engine that sprays. out terrible pollution? What if they had. figured something out? >> I would say it's entirely possible. >> It's entirely possible because we're. going to eventually if you give us. another thousand years, you will not be. able to recognize any of this nonsense. that we use for technology today. Especially when AI gets involved. Espec. like, did you see that thing where.

quantum a quantum computer supposedly. went 1 second back in time? >> I did. I was reading that last [ __ ]. No, it's it h they discovered it six. years ago, though. It's not new. >> What? Six years ago they Well, still. that story. >> 2019, but still. >> it went back in time. >> Yeah. By one second in some way in. quantum. >> What does that even mean? >> Exactly. >> I don't know. >> Exactly. That's mad. >> But that's us now. Imagine that. technology that was science fiction 20.

years ago, >> right? Well, go back to like the movie. Alien and look at their stupid computers. that they had that this is what they. thought people were going to have when. they were starfairing people. >> Yeah. >> Now, think of this quantum computer. experiment where it goes back in time. one second and then go forward a. thousand years. >> which is nothing. We're talking about. 4,500 years ago. We might be off by a. thousand. So go to 5,500 years ago, 6,000. If you're listening to uh John.

Anthony West, he thinks it's 34,000. years. Yeah, that's what he thinks. >> And that's that sounds so crazy, but. then you look at the kind of length of. time we've been around and it's still. quite recent. >> Yeah, it's still quite recent. >> And that lines up with the Sphinx, doesn't it? With the kind of uh that's. the processional cycle. >> How much evidence of a quantum computer. from 34,000 years ago would be left? Right. So, if we did get pelted by. comets, which we know happened, >> that's a fact.

>> There's there I saw an estimate, I think. it was from NASA, but I'm not 100% sure, but it was from a a kind of scientific. uh journal that Earth is hit by what. they define as a cataclysmic impact. every 100,000 years. So, that's an. impact that's capable of wiping out a. third of today's population. Every. 100,000 years. And 100,000 years sounds. like a long time, but again, we've been. around for 300,000 years. So. theoretically, we've been hit by a. cataclysmic impact three times already. during our story. And that both has the. potential to completely wipe out anyone.

that was doing anything sophisticated, but also to wipe the record clean. >> Yeah. >> And that's not the only thing. You've. got, you know, super volcanoes, as we. talked about. You got pole shifts, you've got solar flares, you've got. glacias just scraping across the. landscape and just completely erasing. the record. You've got sea level rise. Sea level rise is a massive one because. I mean where have we always lived? By. the coasts. And if you look at the kind. of fluctuation of sea level rise over. the last 100,000 years, 200,000 years,

300,000 years, the sea level is going in. and out by hundreds of kilometers at a. time. And nothing is going to be left, >> right? Wild stuff. >> I know. It's crazy. >> It is wild stuff. But again, if someone. is a historian and they got into this, someone's an archaeologist and they got. into this because they have this. fascination for it, for them to become. professors and then start teaching and. writing books about this stuff and and. not still be fascinated by the new.

stuff. >> Yeah. >> Is to me so weird. >> It's like you miss the whole reason why. you got into this in the first place. you got into this in the first place is. because you're trying to figure out what. happened. How did we get to this point? And if there's evidence that shows that. we don't have the full picture and. you're ignoring that or dismissing that. or but the thing is when you go through. these kind of systems and I'm I've sort. of got experience of this obviously I. was never a professional academic or.

anything like that but you know I I did. history for four years. is I was kind of. inside and I got to the point where it. was almost, you know, it was do this as. a career, become a professional academic. or not. It's very hard to kind of even. think this way because everyone around. you is thinking within these boxes that. we've created for ourselves. And so it's. very hard to kind of open your mind and. you kind of have to do it in private as. well because no one else is talking in. those terms around you and you're. surrounded by people that think in quite. limited terms. And I don't say that to.

kind of be offensive or you know doubt. anyone's intelligence. Exactly. It's the. culture and it means that no one is it's. very hard to think outside the box when. you're kind of in that culture and yeah. I think that's kind of what creates. these you know rigid systems of thought. >> it's also kind of fear-based because. it's not just discouraged they'll attack. you. >> I mean they attack each other even when. they are within. >> viciously just the think about the. Clovis first issue. >> yeah I mean that's the best example. >> it's the best example because that guy.

was destroyed. yeah destroyed Jack Mar and. >> and they were right. >> They were destroyed for theorizing that. human beings had lived in North America. and that arrived in North America far. before 13,000 years ago. And that was. the established timeline of the Clovis. people. And then when they found these. footprints in New Mexico that are 22,000. years old. Yeah. And. >> they hated that as well. They hated. that. >> Of course they hated it. But they hated. it just because they were wrong. It's.

all it is, man. It's human ego is so. gross. And this brings me back to. psychedelics because what what do. psychedelics do that's most important? Well, the the the dissolving of the ego, it's one of the most important aspects. of it. It makes you realize the folly of. your ways, you know, and all these. people that are supposed to be the. academics. They're supposed to be the. enlightened ones. They're not. enlightened. They just they have. information and they they hold that. information like it's their identity. And they're right about a lot of things.

because they have been studying it and. they do deserve credit for that. What. they've done is amazing. And the the. understanding that these academics, these archaeologists and historians can. give us of our world and our history is. really cool. It's really awesome. But. there's a whole lot more out there. And. for them to pretend and dismiss people. like they should embrace people like. Graham Hancock and then they should. correct him when he's saying something. is wrong. >> Yeah. But instead of lying and then.

calling him a racist and saying all. these terrible things about him, well, that just shows me that you don't really. have an argument and you're trying to. protect your identity. Your identity is. the gatekeeper of this information that. is not yours to gatekeep. It's for the. whole human race to understand what the. hell happened. >> Yeah. And I wish that, you know, we've. seen a a surge in interest in ancient. history and prehistory and, you know, the story of our species through people. like Graeme Hancock who have kind of.

created a massive interest in this. subject, but instead of embracing that, they they see it as a threat. And I. think that's really sad to be honest. And yeah, I think it it kind of hurts. the discipline in general because if you. kind of like embraced that and like. brought him in to the table and spoke to. him and kind of agreed, you know, agreed. to have the discussion, then it would. create a much kind of uh more healthy. debate around these things. And when. when you talk about the Clovis kind of. narrative, it it because we think that.

we know what's happened and thus we know. what didn't happen. It means that people. aren't even looking for stuff that now. we know was there. So like they they. don't they didn't dig deeper than the. clo Clovis layer, right? >> Until very recently because they knew. that humans weren't around until Clovis, but obviously that was wrong. So they. could have missed so much stuff and they. probably did. I mean, have you seen. that? There's like a to be fair I think. Graham mentioned it on the show the Seri. Mastadon site which is like 130,000.

years ago in America. >> I mean if that's human which it kind of. looks like it is. >> That's debatable though, right? Isn't. that debatable? Cuz the way the bones. are broken it could have been from some. sort of an accident or an avalanche or. something, right? >> Yeah. It is debatable but it's also it. could be human. Like it could easily be. human because it kind of looks like. human markings on on bones. I mean, so. >> it looks like scrapings, like they're. scraping the marrow out of the bones. >> Exactly. >> Or some some kind of primitive, >> but why couldn't it have been human? I.

mean, it didn't necessarily have to be. homo sapien, but why couldn't another. human species have got to the Americas? >> Well, it seems like they certainly could. have if they were here 22,000 years ago. Like, why. >> exactly? >> What was that time? Why' they figure it. out then? >> Yeah. >> And how'd they do it? Right. That's the. question. How' they do it? And we know. that people were seafaring from what was. the earliest. seafares. >> You could argue that Homoctus seafared. 800,000 years ago, which is just mental. >> Could you really? >> Well, they reached places that were. isolated. And some people say, you know,

they kind of floated there accidentally, >> which is possible, but it seems a bit. weird that you'd then like survive and. colonize a place. >> Well, see, that's where it gets so. squirly. If Homo erectus made a boat, >> Mhm. >> that's bananas. >> I mean, Neanderthalss were definitely. making boats, and this points to how. intelligent they were. They were making. sophisticated boats and sailing across. the Mediterranean and colonizing places. like Cree well over 100,000 years ago. >> Well, we know that the North Sentinel. people, they they arrived by boat from. Africa 60,000 years ago. >> Yeah. >> And so at least then people were.

seafaring. >> Oh, definitely. >> And probably way earlier than that. So. why would we assume they wouldn't get to. the Americas? >> That seems crazy. >> I mean bigger journey to be fair, but. then I guess if you go across the top. you're doing it, exactly. If you go. across the top and kind of hop down. along the coast, then not so hard. >> Well, when also there's a problem. It's. like if you go back 12,000 years ago, Canada's covered in ice. There's nothing. there. It's literally all ice. So, where. are they coming from? >> They have to be coming from the south, >> I guess. I mean, there's the kind of.

theory regarding the the Polynesian kind. of island chain, >> you know, hopping across to Easter. Island and then making one last hop. across to South America. >> Oh, that's a crazy hop, though. going. the other way. It is a crazy hop. >> But people have always done crazy. Just. the fact that they did it in the 1400s. is bananas. >> That's pretty crazy. And they did that. with tech that was, you know, no tech. They just did it with the stars. >> Yeah. >> And wood. >> But then you get to what? How do you say. that ancient Greek symbol that ancient.

Greek mechanism that they found? >> Oh, the anticother mechanism. >> I never could say that. Antither. I'll. try I'll try to remember. >> Uh but I always forget it. Um but that. thing is bananas. like that when they. first found it, it just looked like a. hunk of [ __ ] Like what is this? >> And then when they got a better. understanding, I think it was like a. long time after they discovered it that. they go, "Oh, wait a minute. These are. gears." Like what. >> the hell computer basically. >> 2,000y old computer. >> Yeah. At least And also that's not the.

first one. Like no one just someone. didn't just develop that and was like, "Here you go. I just [ __ ] made a. computer." But like it was clearly like. a you know a long history of very very. technical stuff in in ancient Greece and. it could well have been the ancient. Greeks but also it could have been like. well where did you kind where's the. what's the history of this technology. and. >> right more technical than like this. modern automatic watch. >> Yeah. >> You know modern automatic watch if you. look at the inside of them it's crazy. There's springs and gears and it's all. within like this uh Seikko is like. within I think it's a couple seconds a.

day. >> Yeah. >> Like that's crazy. And it's all these. little and it moves. It has no power. source other than the movement of your. hand. >> Yeah. >> 72hour power reserve. So for 72 hours if. you let it sit there. >> just from the power of your hand from. wearing it for a few Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's a cool watch. >> Nuts. Ain't that nuts? But that's. normal. That's a normal thing for a. modern watch with these little tiny. gears. This thing's way crazier than. that. And it's 2,000 years old.

>> at least. What do they think it was for? I. >> think they thought it kind of like. tracked the lunar cycles and the kind of. elliptical movements of. >> Have you seen the 3D AI representation. of what it looked like when it was fully. done? See if you can find that cuz it's. that that's the most eye opening of it. >> cuz you're bringing this back to the. time of Christ. >> and someone made a computer during the. time of Christ like what what are we. missing? Like Graham's quote is the.

best. I love this quote. We are a. species with amnesia. >> 100%. >> 100%. Yeah. And this other quote that I. really love. Things just keep getting. older. >> And things do keep getting older. >> They keep getting older. Yeah. And this. is something that people resist for some. strange reason. And I don't understand. it. I think it's just because it's. attached to these folks like Graham. >> Yeah. That's the one. >> Look at it. That's nuts. That's what it. used to look like. >> This is a modern re. reproduction of it. >> Oh, right. But that that is what it used.

to look like, right? >> Based off of that. >> that the pieces. >> So crazy. >> Show me the modern reproduction of what. it looked like. >> Just imagine. Okay. Someone 2,000. [ __ ] years ago figured that out. And. they have these little representations. of the stars and the planets of the sun. and then all the planets surround it. Like first of all, how do they know all. that? How are they seeing these planets? Like do they have a telescope? Like what.

are they how do they know how many. planets are in our solar system? What. what did you base this on? >> And no equivalent technology ever like. reemerged until like you know like the. 16th century with like Swiss clock. makers or something. So, it just makes. you wonder like how old is that and. what's that from and what were the pre, you know, was there other stuff like. this that we never find? >> When I Googled uh. first. >> Yeah, that I think that's the uh.

>> but there's no I don't see the evidence. that they have for 700,000 years ago. >> I think that's the homo erectus thing. They're crossing the I Googled it and. crossing the AGN Sea it says they might. have been doing which there was some. like islands that were protecting it. from crazy weather potentially made it. easier. >> but that is. >> but I don't know what evidence. >> that is a crazy thing to read. Some. evidence suggests that man may have. crossed the sea as early as 700,000. years ago. >> Yeah. >> Aren't you happy you were born today? >> Yeah. >> Imagine trying to gut it out.

>> Like tough it out. >> Save the boys and go and cross across. some [ __ ] sea in a wooden raft. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, you wind up eating your. friend because there's no food left. >> Yeah. It's uh it's kind of amazing that. we got as far as we did. But it's really. amazing when they find things like that. The antictheater mechanism. I said it. right. >> You did. >> Nailed it. I'll try to remember. U But. just the fact that we found one of those. and it makes you wonder like what what. did they have in Egypt? You know, what. did they have 2,000 years before that?

What they you know, what did we miss? I'm. >> digging into the stone stuff for you. Talking about frequencies. There's a I. saw a video recently that doesn't. explain all the Egypt stuff, but there. were frequencies coming out of these. rocks. that I don't think everybody is. currently like studying. People have. studied it. >> That's very basic, but like there's the. king's chamber and the reverberations.

that happen. I was reading uh from. Archimedes I think this quote here. When. the priests sing the hymns of the gods. they sing the seven vows and do. succession the sound of these vows has. such eu euphanany I think that's that. word that men listen to it instead of. the flute and the liar the lear from. 2000 or 200 BC. >> There's like so many ancient sites that. are all built with kind of acoustic. >> Yeah. >> like resonance in mind. >> Yeah. So that's what I was getting into. this. I was trying to find the proof of.

it. Someone made a video I saw recently. where the sematic stuff shows up all. over the place in some ancient sites. definitely obviously in churches and. cathedrals. >> But this is what happens when you like. >> put sand on a plate and hum on it or put. you know a certain. >> vibrations. Yeah. >> And how. you stumble across this and it just so. happens to be the same thing we're like. we're discovering now. >> Crazy. >> What is that image of? What is that? That golden.

>> this? >> Yeah. What's that? >> It's a cathedral. I looked at it a. second ago. >> Is that in Canada? >> No, the article is from. >> Oh, >> Spain. >> It's in Spain. Whoa. >> That is wild. >> UK. I was looking into the oldest doors. people found. The oldest door is only. like 5,000 BC and it was found in. Switzerland somewhere. >> Huh. There's an act the oldest act of. doors in the UK. It's from 900 AD, I.

think. >> What did those images of psychic. geometry from? And that right there, Leonardo da Vinci's original drawing of. the flower of life. How? What? Da Vinci, what were you what drugs are you taking, son? How is he seeing that? Yeah. Well, that that's ancient imagery, right? That's sacred geometry. Those. depictions have been around forever. He was a crazy dude. Da Vinci in a good. way. Yeah. Smart guy.

>> Bizarrely smart. >> Very smart. >> It's weird when you have these outliers, the these outliers that come out of. nowhere and like he he he had like a. working model of a flying machine. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And he had like three jobs. >> Yeah. >> Crazy guy. >> And he's an amazing artist. >> Yeah. >> It's kind of, you know, these these. outliers that just How many of them we. never heard of? How many of them were. from 30,000 years ago? How many just we. have such a limited.

understanding of our history? And I. always think like if something happened. to us right now, what would really be. left? The real problem is everything is. either on paper and there's not a lot of. it on paper anymore. It's on hard drives. and those things would get cooked. If. there was just a massive solar flare, something huge that took out our power. grid and destroyed all of our cell phone. towers and all our satellites, no more. electricity.

>> And even if it didn't get cooked, what. would you do with it in hund or in. 10,000 years found that? You wouldn't. know what that was. >> You wouldn't know what that was. You. would have to devise a new version of. Windows to to read it. you know, you you. know, it would take so long and it would. probably have been corroded and wasted. away. >> It wouldn't be recognized. >> long before that, especially if. something happened. It was underwater. Especially if you know the the entire. world is on fire because we got hit with. a comet. Yeah. >> Like.

>> there wouldn't be much left. And this is. like a really shitty way to store. information. >> It's a bit It does feel like a bit of a. risk, doesn't it? Like. >> it's a giant risk. Everything we've ever. learned and, >> you know, discovered and thought about. is always, >> well, you know what happens when your. phone dies and you don't have a backup. phone? You're like, "Oh no, I don't know. anyone's number.". >> And we do that with our entire. civilization's knowledge, >> right? And so then you would have just. stories and myths of what things used to. be like. There was an all female flight. crew at Delta. You're like, "What? What.

are you talking about? What does that. even mean?" You know, oh, they had. satellites. What are you talking about? Like what is the thing is like I wonder. how many of the satellites would still. be in orbit or whether their orbit would. deteriorate and they'd come crashing. down to Earth. >> I think they would decay like relatively. quickly I think. I mean I'm not sure but. lots of them would I think and when. we're talking big time scales. >> Yeah. Let's think. Let's Google that. How many satellites that are in orbit. today? See if uh put this into AI. How. many satellites that are in orbit around.

the Earth today will be there in a. 100,000 years? Does uh Perplexity have an answer for. that? >> I don't I think it's unlikely that. anyone else was doing like space travel. and stuff. >> Unlikely. >> Yeah. Maybe not impossible, but I don't. think there's anything on the moon, for. example. I think we'd probably see that. But. >> yeah, that's the weird one, right? There's bases in the dark side of the.

moon and they're watching us. Uh. >> are you sure? >> Yeah. I don't I don't think so, >> you know. Well, then there's the. weirdness of the moon itself that it's. the absolute perfect size and the. perfect distance to completely block out. the sun. >> That is weird, isn't it? >> Real real weird. >> It's real weird cuz it's not kind of. right. It's perfect. >> Precise. Yeah, >> it's very precise. So, you would need. the precise size and the precise. distance.

>> That is weird. And there's also the fact. that it stabilizes our atmosphere. It. stabilizes our environment. >> Yeah. I guess the argument for that is. we wouldn't be here if it wasn't right. If it wasn't the exact right. >> this is the best answer I could say. You. might have to read the whole thing, but. there's thousands of satellites burning. up each year in the atmosphere is what I. got to the end of. >> Oh, so thousands of them crash down. >> For I mean they they. >> So how long do they last? >> That's the first That's why I I was. trying to track that down. The first one. only lasted three months. So, Sputnik.

won the Soviet Union in 1957. Three. months later, it fell out of orbit. >> So, it seems like they've worked up to. about a 25 year rule where they only. expect it to last that long. >> Wow. >> It's going to crash down. >> So, in 25 years, there's nothing left. >> But that's I was trying to Google how. long would till the last one if they. stop putting them up, how long until the. last one crashes down? >> It seems like 25 years. >> That's why then I I couldn't get a good. answer that way. >> Did you put it into AI? I didn't because.

I don't want to. >> I don't like asking questions you don't. know the answer to to AI. >> I don't like asking questions I know the. answer to. >> Well, I just like to see how it thinks. I like to see if it's going to just. [ __ ] you and lie to you or if it's. going to. >> That's why I want to know when it's. bullshitting me. >> Yeah. >> I don't like know when it doesn't. >> Yeah. >> You just have to trust it. >> Well, it's it's also basing all its. information on websites. >> Yeah. And I don't know what year it was. trained on. I was watching people talk. about sports cards. They're like, "It's.

not updated in the last three years. So, you don't even you can't use this data. It's not good data.". >> Oh, really? Which one was that? >> I don't I don't know which one they were. talking about. That's There's so many AI. >> opportunities out there. >> It's funny watching people on Twitter. use Grock and try to get Grock to say. things it doesn't want to say. >> Yeah. >> And you realize, oh, there's an. information blockade of what Grock is. allowed to talk about. The thing is you. can just make you can kind of trick AI. to say whatever you want it to say.

>> Yeah. I've seen people do that like. trick it into saying like how would you. make a bomb. >> Yeah. And that's almost the bad thing. about it is you can it kind of becomes. your own little echo chamber after a. while if you if you want it to if you. can kind of convince it to. >> Wow. We've done a really terrible job of. taking care of most people and when then. you give these people access to the kind. of power that AI provides them, they're. gonna ask naughty questions. Yeah. because they, you know, >> it's great fun though. >> They're not living in harmony. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Because we uh we're a selfish being.

We're a selfish creature. >> It's a crazy thing though, the kind of. advent of large language models and. >> Yeah. >> artificial intelligence and is it's mad. >> Well, it's it's also we're in the middle. of it. It's happening right now, which. is real weird. So, like in our. lifetimes, we're potentially witnessing. the biggest change to civilization since. the pyramids. >> Yeah. You see I mean even in my lifetime like. I was born in 97. >> didn't really have I had to dial up the.

internet I remember when I was a kid and. then you know smartphones came along and. then obviously things like AI and it's. just it is it is pretty ridiculous. >> I was 27 years old before I ever got. online. >> That was when I first got a computer and. I got on ALOLL. You've got mail. It's. like I've got mail. This is crazy. Yeah. You know, and you could go to chat rooms. and read about stuff and you could. download information. So, I'd print.

stuff about UFOs and like this is the. future. I'm living in the future. And. we're very fortunate, I think, that we. got to see what life was like with a. primitive use of the internet to what. it's become now to a quantum computer. can go back a second in time to, you. know, what is coming next. We don't. know. What's really weird is imagine if. this has been done before. We're. assuming that it hasn't, but imagine if. the Egyptians had figured out something. similar.

It kind of makes sense. I mean, it. sounds preposterous that they did, but. why why if we can do it? Why if we can. do it? If maybe it's just a thing. If. you leave humans undisturbed for a long. enough amount of time with food, they. start figuring stuff out. If you can. keep them from killing each other, and. maybe that's the beautiful thing about. the way Egyptian technology had. advanced, they didn't split the atom. Maybe they figured out something else.

that they couldn't turn into a weapon. >> Yeah. I mean, they were definitely doing. some pretty mad stuff. And then if you. look at those kind of uh granite boxes. they made, completely smooth surface. I. mean, they clearly had some form of. technology that we don't attribute to. them. I think that's undisputed. I mean, it is disputed, but I don't think I. don't see how you can logically kind of. look at what they were doing and not. think they had some kind of technology. that, you know, we don't traditionally. attribute them to. But whether that. means they were like some crazy advanced.

civilization or it was built by some. other advanced civilization, you know, that's, you know, a bit more. hypothetical, but they were clearly. doing stuff that we can't appreciate. today. So that logically suggests they. had, you know, something that we don't. understand. Right. >> Right. And when you find antic. from 2,000 years ago, it makes you just. really think like, okay, what did they. have? >> Well, ancient Greece was very inspired. by ancient Egypt. So, I mean, it could. have well come from there. >> Exactly. Yeah. And we, you know, we're.

just guessing. We're just lost in. guessing. >> That's the thing. It's all about. interpretation, isn't it? All of history. is about interpretation. And it's not a. hard science like you know physics or I. mean physics is ridiculous. Physics is. kind of crazy too with all the hurts my. head man that's too much for me all that. quantum physics stuff but have you ever. heard of the curan hypothesis? >> No. >> that's what is it? >> It's it's kind of linked to this uh. >> it's linked to this you know ancient. civilization stuff. It's the idea that. there could have been an advanced. civilization on our planet you know 100.

million years ago. a non-human one that, you know, was uh. >> advanced and industrial and we just. wouldn't see any trace because of how. long ago it was and. >> they could have been here and, >> you know, we just wouldn't know because. it's been so long. It's kind of like. where I come from with my kind of human. idea. Obviously, it's a further uh time. span, but it's been it was proposed by. two physicists is why I uh why just. thought of it just then guy called Adam. Frank and uh. >> Oh, I've had him Adam on before. You've.

had him on. Adam Frank, there you go. I. mean, did he didn't he might have. >> We had him on, Jamie. Right. >> I don't know. >> Didn't we? >> Let me see. >> You don't see. >> That's a problem. That happens all the. time. We're like, "Yeah, we've had him. on. I know we have. >> episode 11:30.". >> I I knew we have. >> There you go. >> I just wanted to check because I have. been wrong before where I we talked. about a guy. I'm like, "Who's that guy?". And then like I talked to him for three. hours. I thought you were. I was like, "Uh oh, >> it's happened before." Um, but so this. idea is that something else other than.

human beings? >> Well, it's just the idea that if it had, we wouldn't know. And because the. earth's been around for so long and. complex multisellular life appeared, you. know, relatively early in our like 4. billion year history of the earth or. whatever, I'm not sure on the dates, but. we've been around the earth rather has. been around for so so so long. And we. know that intelligence can emerge. because it emerged with us and happened. relatively quickly when you look at the. kind of massive time scale that the. earth has been around and how long. multisellular life has been around. So.

their idea is kind of like well what. what if you know a civilization in the. kind of era of the dinosaurs had you. know become very advanced and an. industrial society and they say we would. see absolutely no evidence like when I'm. talking about human civilization we. would see some potential evidence like. you know rock carve stone or whatever. but they would say you wouldn't even see. the nuclear waste deposits because it's. that long ago that nothing would survive. and then I think about that and I think. well isn't it almost more likely that. something did happen considering we know.

that intelligence can emerge relatively. quickly. Multisellular life has been on. the planet for so so so so so long. >> A limited understanding of the fossil. record. >> Exactly. Like why couldn't why couldn't. something have happened before? And then. then you start getting a bit, you know, stoner about it and you start thinking, well, maybe they're still here because. they. >> That's what I like to do. I like to go. interdimensional because I think like. well if you do have these quantum. computers that can go back one second in. time and you. >> you you move forward a thousand years.

from now and they're run by AI like what. can they do like what do they cease to. do do these beings cease to exist in. this dimension? Do they develop the. ability to be transdimensional? Do they. do they no longer exist in our space and. time? Is that like the emergence of this. new life form and then they observe us? Is that what's going on? >> Well, I feel like if you kind of. survive, you know, a lot longer than we. have and you kind of get to a different. like kind of level of intelligence, then. why would you need the kind of physical.

body? Why would you need the physical. realm? And why couldn't you kind of. diverge different dimensions if such a. thing is possible? Like. >> we certainly can imagine it taking place. somewhere else on another planet with a. similar atmosphere that supports life in. a given maybe they live in a a solar. system that doesn't have an asteroid. belt. >> Yeah. >> Right. Because there's I'm sure they. must exist where they're not getting. pelted all the time. We're just in a. shitty neighborhood. >> We're basically in a neighborhood that. gets shot up all the time.

>> A shooting gallery. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a shooting gallery. >> Yeah. and imagine them achieving where. we are at but then plus a million years. and you can go oh yeah well I guess all. bets are off in terms of what's. possible, you know, a hundred years ago. people were freaking out if they saw a. car. Now we're sending video from a tiny. little screen on your phone. >> instantaneously. It's all nuts. >> And we don't even blink at that. we do.

You get pissed off if it doesn't work. You're like, "What the [ __ ] Can't I. talk to this guy in Australia?" And. instantly like, "Why is my phone not. working?". >> And you know, people are addicted to. staring at it. >> Mhm. >> It's like it's pulling you into its. gravity. It's It's ve It's all very very. weird stuff. >> Yeah. We adjust very quickly to. >> real quick. >> Yeah. How technology develops and it's. just getting faster and faster and. faster. It makes you think, where will. we be in a hundred years, in 500 years. if nothing happens? >> Yeah. Where will we be? Um, I think.

we'll be somewhere really weird, but I'm. hoping that as we do advance and. wherever we're going to be, it'll help. us understand where we came from. like. you know like if if AI and super. intelligence. starts examining the history of the. human race then things can get very. interesting and maybe it could give us. places to look like we need physical you. know human beings or drones on the.

ground excavating certain areas. This is. like prime place to look. >> Yeah. I come I some I I kind of flip. between like quite a pessimistic outlook. and quite an optimistic outlook on these. things. Like sometimes I think like it's. just gone and we're never going to know. and we can speculate for as much as we. like but it's gone. And then sometimes I. think no like you never know. There's so. many places that are just completely. unexavated, completely unexplored that. we haven't looked at like you know. believe the Sahara on the the uh the. ocean floor by these um Could I have. some coffee please? That' be all right.

Thank you. >> Of course. >> And all these places that you know we. haven't explored and as you say. technology like AI. Thank you. Cheers. >> Thank you. You know, I think sometimes I. think yeah, maybe we are going to make. like these massive discoveries that are. going to completely shift our. understanding of uh of history and as. you say the kind of Giza the the. findings beneath Giza that could be a. moment and I'm always looking for that. but then sometimes I flip again and. think you know maybe we'll never find. anything and I I just don't know maybe. I'm just speculating for for no reason. and I should just stop.

>> Have you seen Ben on Uncharted X? his he. has a very recent video of these. I don't even know how you describe it. There's these underground structures in. uh Egypt that he says are bigger than. the Giza plateau that are underground. >> I haven't seen that. I love his channel. By the way, >> there's a historical record of these. things where people had talked about. them like you know way back. even. explorers had visited them and found.

them to be more spectacular than what is. actually on the ground. That the. underground thing was even crazier. >> And that begs the question, why why. underground? Why why do we find all this. underground construction all over the. world? >> Hey, whoa, Jimmy, >> was that his theme music? I even. recognized that. >> Shout out to Uncharted X. >> Yes, he's coming on soon to talk about. this very thing. He's awesome. >> He's really awesome and he spends so.

much time down there. >> So, um. >> is that it? >> Uh. >> he did something. Are you talking about. he did a video on the kind of unknown. ancient site? So, the unknown age site. said to be greater than the pyramids. confirmed with satellite scans. >> Okay. Yeah, I haven't seen this. >> Give give us the coming up. Just play. it. >> Just so many different techniques. The. geocan and mil borrow satellite. technologies. I mean, they're vastly. different techniques. They seem to be. aligned. They're telling you the same. things. So, they found something like.

there's something down there. What is. down there seems to be also quite a. mystery. The central object is hard to. classify. It appears metallic, not stone. or wood. A freestanding 40 m long metallic tic. tac-shaped object approximately what 50. 60 m below the ground in a huge big open. corridor and atrium. Come on. Like th. this is a remarkable claim. It's a crazy video and he goes deep into.

the history of people talking about. these sites and uh even ancient. explorers who wrote about visiting Egypt. would talk about how it was even more. spectacular underground. Here it is. Uh this is uh how do you say. his name? >> Petri. Yeah. He's um he he's written a. lot because he was like one of the first. people. >> Flanders Petri. Yeah. >> So is are those the names of the sites. he's talking about? Haramu.

sorry and Arson Arion. >> Yeah. Har is definitely. >> Arseno. Arseno. So it says on that space. could be erected the great hall of Carac. and all successive temples adjoining it. and the great court and the pylons of. it. Also the temple of Moot and that of. how do you say that? Consu. >> I guess. Ku and the Amen Hotep III at. Cararnack also the two great temples of. Luxor and still there would be room for.

the whole of Ramseium. What does that mean? In short, all the. temples of the east of Thabes and I'm. sorry if I'm butchering these names, folks, and. one of the largest of the West Bank. might be placed together in the one area. in the ruins of Hawara. Here we certainly have a site worthy of. the renown which the labyrinth acquired.

So this is an ancient explorer who's. talking about he he actually got into. this area. The problem now is it's all. submerged. So it's been flooded and it's. very difficult to um to do any kind of. archaeological work on it now. >> Yeah. Cuz he was one of the first people. in Western people. >> They're like crawling into these like. holes and swimming in now. It's it's. real weird. It's like you could die in. there. So, someone's got to figure out.

how to get the [ __ ] water out of. there. And what is that? So, if this. guy's accurate with what he's talking. about again, explain that. Explain how you've got. something that's even greater than what. you're seeing above the surface. underneath 50 m down in the stone. >> And why underground? >> Why? >> So much harder. >> Exactly. What? Like, what were they. doing? Were they hiding? This is like. what happened when cataclysmas. cataclysms took place? They said, "Well, listen, we need to develop a way to.

survive these things and let's get. underground." And. >> there's so many all over the world as. well. There's like people are always. well ancient people people are always. building underground construction and we. can't explain how they did it, who did. it, or why they did it today. And again, no one no one in the mainstream really. kind of looks into that. >> Yeah. That site in Turkey, wasn't it. supposed to house like 2,000 people? >> Yeah. And. >> is that the number? Like 2,000 people. >> at least, I think. I can't remember off. the top of my head, but it's it's huge. >> Huge. I think it might be 20,000 people. >> It's massive.

>> That sounds better. >> And yeah, >> sounds more exciting. But it is massive. And they don't know how they did. And. they carved it out of stone. >> They don't know who built it. >> And there's no evidence of the stone. being left anywhere. It's not like. there's a big pile of it outside of it. It's real weird. >> Yeah. 20,000. There you go. >> 20,000 people together with their. livestock and food stores. So 20,000. people, livestock and food stores. extending to a depth of approximately 85. m underground. And no one knows who. built that. That's just so crazy.

>> Nuts. >> And the kind of argument is that they. built it to uh to kind of look like. >> protect themselves from an invading. army, but that's never made sense to me. because if you were attacking those. people, you just block the entrances. >> Yeah. And then start fires. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That seems silly. It seems like. more likely what they were doing was. escaping whatever the [ __ ] was on the. surface. >> And so who built that and why? And how. old is it? Because again, it's, you. know, it's stone that could survive for. so long, >> right? And also, did you build it after.

a cataclysm? Like, how do you do it? Do. you know it's coming and that's how you. build it? No, you didn't know it's. coming. Unless it's happen unless it. happens regularly and they realize the. only way to survive it is to get. underground. >> Well, I guess you could, you know, it. could be the remnants of an earlier. culture that was wiped out and. >> right. >> they had like a memory of maybe passed. down through myth. >> Look at how nuts that is. I was thinking. too like no one know how like leaf. cutter ants do it. This couldn't have. been the first one they made. >> Lucky exactly figure out how to make all. those chambers to breathe and stuff.

>> That's so bananas, dude. That that's 85. m into the ground. >> That's so crazy. And then. >> so crazy. >> Another great one is Long Caves in. China, which is just there's just zero. explanation of what that is or who built. it. There's no record of its. construction. It's Have you se Have you. se you seen Long Caves? Yeah. >> Yeah. Pull that up cuz that's nuts, too. >> Absolutely crazy. How old is that. supposed to be? >> No, no one knows. They have no idea who. built it. It's just like, what is this, you know? >> And they they don't know who built it. There's no record of who built it. They. don't know what it was for. There's no.

deposits of stone. There's no tools. found nearby. >> Do they have a theory of the timeline? >> I don't I don't think so. I mean, to be. fair, it's in China, so it's kind of. like it's not it's a. >> found in 1992. >> Whoa. A farmer. Four farmers. >> So, there's 24 of them like looking like. that. >> Wow. >> 24. Oh, >> at least 2,000 years old. >> Um, go to a video of it so we could see. because the the caves when when you pe. when people walk around it with a. camera, it's bananas. >> And there's 24 distinct ones that look.

like that. And it's just like who's. building that? >> Still visit China without going to jail. >> What happens? >> Oh, this is Mike Collins. He's great. Wandering Wolf. >> Yes. He's the one who does all that. stuff about that wall in Montana, too. >> Yeah, the sage wall. Yeah. Very weird. >> That man Montana thing is very weird. I. go back and forth on that one being. man-made or. >> Yeah, that's the case for so many like. of these things. It's like it could be. natural, but then. >> not this one though. >> This is definitely not [ __ ] natural. >> Can you imagine in 1992 some farmers are.

just [ __ ] around and they find this. >> find 24 of them as well. >> and they're like, "Yo, what did we. find?". >> I think the carvings are are modern. >> Oh, they are? >> I think so. I think they are from 1992. The parallel lines, they don't know what. they are. They have no idea why the. parallel lines are there. But I think. the kind of carvings depicting like. mystical Chinese stuff is is a kind of. modern edition. >> Oh, like brand new. >> Yeah, like after like since they. discovered it. >> Oh, really? Like even those ones on the.

wall right there? That's so gross. >> I think so. I may be wrong. >> Might be worth checking. I'm not I'm not. 100% sure. >> Oh, I hope they didn't do that. Oh, that. would be gross. Can you imagine? >> Yeah. But that's always that that site. has just always baffled me because again. if you look at the Wikipedia page for. that site it's it's just like three. lines but it's like what the [ __ ] is. this? >> Yeah. So the carvings are those really. old or are those modern? >> What what um made you think that they're. modern?

>> Because I did a little video on I. mentioned this in a video and during my. research of that I I saw that. >> Oh so in the research you found out that. they were modern. Yeah. >> Okay. So the lines it seems to be the. parallel lines seems to be like how they. dug all the stuff out like one layer at. a time. Would you think that? >> Yeah. But like how and what using what? There's 24 of them. And also they're all. so precisely identical. It's like what. tool you using to make sure this was so. identical, >> right? Like what tool you carving stone. with to make a giant cave? Uh, one.

particular cave stands out for its. detailed carvings of dragons, animals, people, and figures closely resembling. the eight immortals from Dowist. mythology. These depictions suggest a. deep connection to Dowoism. Whether. these carvings were a part of the. original structure or added later after. the caves were rediscovered in 1992. remains a topic of debate. After close. examining of the carvings and a noticing. of unique method used to chip away at. the rock for these images, it seems. likely that they were added later. Yeah. Perhaps turning the cave into a sacred.

place reflecting the religious beliefs. at the time. Oh, so some gross people. carved into it in 1992. >> That's so crazy that you did that, guys, because that's probably what people have. done throughout time. >> I bet that's, you know, the probably the. people that like put their dead body in. the pyramid. >> Yeah. And that's the thing with all the. other things in Egypt is they've people. have carved hieroglyphics onto there, but that doesn't mean that that's when. the original thing was built. >> Can you go back to the video please, Jamie, of that uh site so we could see.

like what it looks like when you're. walking around in it? Because uh. the fact that they don't really know who. made it and the fact that these farmers. found it in 1994, when you see the scope. of it, that's where it really sets in. >> It's unbelievably big. >> Yeah. Because I think like images are. cool, but the way this guy's walking. around it, you really get it. >> And then you have to times that by 24. >> Imagine those farmers like should we. tell anybody? >> Yeah. >> If we don't, they're going to kill us.

They might kill us anyway. >> How much is. >> How much was added then afterwards? If. they did the carving, how much like. stairs and. >> Oh, yeah. All the stairs were added for. sure. I bet. Right. The stairs that that. guy's on. >> To look too new, obviously. >> But again, what was this for? Like why. did they build this? All that [ __ ] looks. new. >> Yeah. Why did they like What is this? The carvings. >> Unless maybe they're trying to make the. carvings to make it seem like it was. older and people would come wander and. just come look and be a tourist.

attraction. >> Like maybe without art they didn't think. it would get enough people to visit. >> I think it's also to kind of connect it. to kind of, you know, >> more like contemporary cultural China. rather than because I mean who knows how. old this could be. >> That's crazy. >> Cuz it's stone. That's so crazy. The. fact that they just found it, just. stumbled on it. That's what's the. weirdest thing about some of the. discoveries because that's the same with. Gobeclete. It was a sheep herder, right?

>> Someone found Gobeclete in the 60s and. they didn't think it was anything so. they left it. >> Really? >> Yeah. It's like that guy [ __ ] missed. the boat a little bit. >> No way. >> Yeah. Some American archaeologists found. it in the 60s. >> What did he find? >> I can't remember. But they found like a. little bit of it and they were like, "Oh, this is clearly just some like, you. know, contemporary Bronze Age society. >> Don't worry about that. >> That guy must have shot himself. >> He He missed the boat a little bit, didn't he? >> Could be a stoic. >> I could have been the guy. >> instead of a [ __ ] sheep herder.

>> Yeah, >> cuz it was a guy who just found like a. stone, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Here it is. 1960s a survey survey. conducted by archaeologists from. Istanbul University in the University of. Chicago found some flint and lime. limestone artifacts but they didn't. perceive the site as anything more than. a medieval cemetery. >> Whoops. >> Whoopsies. Whoopsies. >> Yeah, that was the the find of your. career and you thought nuts. What a slip. up. So, um, the sheep h herder that. found it, I think he just found like a.

corner of something and he like kicked. it with his boot and was like, "What is. this?" And then started looking around. and scraping it off. And then I think. once he realized it was really big, they. started he goes like, "Maybe I should. call somebody.". >> Yeah. >> Call somebody who knows how to dig. >> The whole like 5% excavation thing is so. puzzling at Quebec. But it was I mean to. be clear that's kind of how. >> that's like normal practice I think for. archaeology. But you would think that. Gbecap is like a bit more of a it's a.

special case. >> That's normal. That's that should but. it's also they make a lot of money off. of tourism of people visiting it the way. it is and that would disrupt everything. if you had a bunch of eggheheads digging. into the ground all around you. >> I see that. But, you know, then they. started doing weird stuff like planting. olive trees above the ruins and everyone. was telling them like, "Hey guys, if you. do that, these these trees are going to. grow roots. The roots are going to. destroy what's underneath them." Yes. >> And they're like, "No, everything's. going to be fine." And then they.

realize, "Oh, it's actually. >> destroying what's underneath it.". >> That's like a microcosm of the problem. with a a small section of very vocal. kind of mainstream archaeologists. I. think the whole tree controversy. regarding Quebec is because it was. Jimmy, right? Jimmy Brighton. Yeah, exactly. He where he. >> he can't go there anymore, you know. >> I'm not surprised. >> I might He might have snuck in recently. >> He did a video. Yeah, he did a video. >> But I think he's banned from the. country. >> From the whole of Turkey. >> I think he's banned from the site at the. very least. >> But it doesn't make sense because where.

>> they're mad at him for telling the. truth. >> Exactly. Exactly. Whatever you think of. Jimmy like he was right. >> Let's find out if he's banned. I don't. want to get Turkey mad at me because I. think Turkeyy's probably the that's. probably the birthplace of civilization. >> possibly. >> of what we think of as civilization. I. mean, there's so many different things. that they found in Turkey now that's. starting to lean people to think that. like maybe that spot. >> maybe we've, you know, that it's there was probably a bunch of. places like that in the Middle East.

where civilization had sort of emerged. from whatever had happened before. >> or the Sahara. >> Or the Sahara. Yeah. What do you think. about uh the Rishard? Let's get that in. a second here. Oh, yeah. Turkey should. have banned me when they had a chance. If my pri. Jimmy should be so crazy. Uh, if my. prior work on Gobecé upset them, what I. will share in the coming days, weeks is. going to take things to another level. But because we are we were cunning.

around various security protocols and. aided with exceptional timing, we got. the footage. Our ancient history belongs. to humanity. I agree. Uh, anyone that. opposes that has no place controlling. our lost history. Good for you, Jeremy. >> Yeah, I mean, whatever you think about. him, he was right about the trees and. the fact that they had these people kind. of coming out defending the trees and. saying the trees were good for. archaeological sites just. >> Yeah. I don't know what Jimmy has a. degree in, if anything, but he clearly. knows a lot about ancient history and. he's really interested in it. And this.

again, this gatekeeping, like if you. watch his videos, and he constantly gets. smeared with all sorts of different. horrible claims that he's this and he's. that. He's like, if you watch his. videos, you know that's not true. He's. he's just a guy who is very fascinated. and deeply informed on a lot of the. timelines of all these different things. and how interesting they are. And he. likes to make videos of them, and that's. a good thing. >> Why shouldn't he be allowed to. speculate? He's just a guy speculating.

>> And he's he's really fair and balanced. with how he talks about things. >> and he's good at it, man. He he puts. together arguments really well. And and. you just mentioned the reshout structure. thing. I've watched his videos on that. and like it's interesting, man. The way. he kind of connects what Plato was. saying about Atlantis and brings it all. to the reshot. It's it's interesting. stuff. >> It's very interesting cuz it's also he. talks about how Plato would talk about. the mountains to the north and the river. to the south. It's like this all lines. up. >> Concentric rings, >> this concentric rings in the same size. as was described as Atlantic.

>> and the Tamarasa river system used to. run. So, it was surrounded by water. So, it could have been. >> How come everybody's like, "Nah." Well, it's cuz you can't prove it in it. >> Well, it's a little bit of that, but. it's also because this YouTube guy is. the one talking about it. And that's if. they admit that he was right, that would. drive them [ __ ] crazy. >> They had to with the trees. They had to. move them. >> Yeah. >> But I think he's right about Atlantis, too. I think he might be right. There's. something about that that's weird. It's. also weird if you look at it from a a.

satellite perspective, the satellite. imagery where you get to see where it it. all looks like it's been washed over by. water. Yeah. Yeah. >> Like the whole thing looks exactly like. sand looks when the tide comes in and. then pulls back. >> It's all rippled and it looks like it. was pummeled by water. >> Yeah. Which match the sinking into the. sea in a single day and night. >> Exactly. And also like how many stories. from ancient history depict floods?

There's so many of them. Like we can't. are we going to ignore all of them as. myth? Well, the idea that myth doesn't. hold any kind of use in understanding. the past is just ridiculous because the. myth is powerful because it's the thing. we've collectively remembered as a. species, isn't it? So, >> yes, >> why would we dismiss that as a kind of, you know, historical record? And then. you've got examples of like indigenous. cultures that. remember that that remember kind of. scientific information through myth. I.

always go to this example of these kind. of uh islanders during the tsunami in. 2004 and they they went to it was the. Andaman Islands and the kind of you know. western scientists or whatever went to. the island after the Boxing Day tsunami. and they were like everyone's going to. be dead like they're all going to have. been wiped out by this tsunami and they. were fine because they had this myth in. their culture that when the sea recedes. you get to high ground because then the. waves are going to come that will eat. men. Yeah. >> And that myth, you know, that has. encoded scientific information regarding.

tsunamis and that saved their their. cultures lives and they had like no. casualties compared to, you know, western more modern people who were. >> crazy. Everybody else was like, "Wow, look at all the sand.". >> Yeah. And they were like, "I thought the. beach was over here.". >> Yeah. They all got [ __ ] killed. And. then these people with their myths, scientific information, survived. There's a guy who was hiking in Russia. when the most recent tsunami hit and he. was on a cliff and you see the ocean. come in and like reach the top of the.

cliff where his dog is. See if you can. find it. It's crazy cuz he films the. thing coming in. Like this guy is way. above the ocean. >> when it starts and then the water is. reaching where he is with his dog. It's. just further testament to the power of. nature and we we just constantly. underestimate nature and. >> and that was just a little wiggle in the. ocean. >> That's just a little wiggle. Just a. little earthquake, little little eight. pointer. >> And you think about the some of the [ __ ]. that's gone on during our time on Earth.

>> Comet impacts and like watch this. So. look how high this guy is, right? >> Way up. >> Way up, right? And so as he's up here, you know, he's seeing the waves come in. Now, he must have known that this was. going to happen because everybody knew. this was going to happen. >> So, watch how it's coming in now. And. now. it keeps coming. It keeps coming all the.

way to the top where he is. It's nuts. >> Look at his dog. His dog's like, "Yo, >> I would be freaking out. I would be. running. I wouldn't trust it. What if it goes. over the top where you're at? You're. just guessing, >> bro. Look how high this water gets. >> It's terrifying. Yeah, he's out of there. now. >> Look at that. The dog's about to get. jacked. I mean, if you get trapped in. that like the [ __ ] you are not. swimming to shore. That's your life. It's over. I don't care if you're Lar.

Hamilton. Well, he might swim through. that. >> But isn't that nuts? >> Yeah. Yeah. You're [ __ ]. >> That water got all the way to the top of. that hill. So, and that's that is like. doesn't even register in the news. >> Yeah, that's just thing that happens all. the time. >> That's a thing that happen. This is like. a thing like no big deal. No one will. remember that in 5 years. No one will. remember that in 10 years. But if a. [ __ ] comet slams into the ocean right. there or slams into a glacier, a comet.

the size of, you know, a few city. blocks, that's a wrap. >> Yeah, >> that's a wrap. You you have massive. flooding, like instantaneous millions of. gallons of water tearing through the. landscape. No more ice cap. It's all. gone. >> Yeah. And just any kind of culture that. was possibly around. It's just wipes. completely wiped clean from the earth. No record, nothing. >> You're Dunville. There's nothing left.

And that's real. This isn't speculation. like that. We look at the Tonguska. impact and that was the same sort of. comet storm that we passed through. >> Yeah. >> The same time of year and it flattened. like this enormous chunk of Siberia that. still doesn't have trees on it. >> Yeah. And that was that's quite a small. thing. >> Yeah. And it didn't even hit is air. impact. Yeah. So. >> and if that happened over a city that's.

like millions dead. >> Millions. So that could be happening on. this planet on a regular basis. It is. Yeah. >> I mean, just it's kind of facts that we. we get hit by stuff. >> Yeah. We're always finding a crater. We're like, "Oh, this one's 3 million. years old. Look at this [ __ ] crater.". >> 3 million years ago, everyone's [ __ ]. But. >> if that if that estimate is correct that. we're hit by a, you know, a cataclysmic. impact once every 100,000 years, then I. mean, what does that mean? >> Well, that's where it gets really weird. if you're talking about like an advanced.

civilization like, you know, millions of years ago. Like. imagine if there was some sort of an. advanced life form millions of years ago. and then something like that hits. >> Have you seen that wheel that's like 300. million years old or or it's like a. preserve? It looks just like a wheel. Have you seen the other. >> Jamie? Could you please search um 300. milliony old wheel? It will probably. >> Are you on Tik Tok a lot? Like where are. you getting this one? >> I've just seen it about and like it. looks like a wheel. It doesn't mean it. is a wheel, but it looks remarkably.

>> Well, there's some of the stuff from. >> Yeah, that's the thing. Just kind of. looks like a wheel, and they found it in. a mine, and then they flooded the mine, which is a bit weird, but there's. there's a couple better images of it. Um. I don't know if they'll be on this page, but uh yeah, there you go. That looks. like spokes and a wheel. They're not I. mean, could be natural, but. I mean, what the [ __ ] is that? You know, >> that looks really weird. Now, what are these these fossilized. tracks?

>> Yeah, these are also super old. They're. called cart rots. >> again found in Turkey. >> Yeah, >> right. Including Sofka, where they like. how I said that. Where they cover an. area approximately 45 by 10 miles. And. how do you say that one? There's a lot. of words today. We don't know how to say. it. Capidosia. >> Yeah. >> Home to several clusters of tracks. The. discovery of these ruts around the world. has sparked debate regarding their. purpose, age, and origins in Malta, especially due to the proximity of the. tracks to megalithic structures and the.

fact that some are now submerged beneath. the sea. >> Yeah, I've seen some of them in Malta. I. went to and they go off cliffs. >> Many researchers suggest these. fossilized lines indicate significant. antiquity. So, if this was like mud that. they were pulling these things through. or dirt that they were pulling these. things through and then it eventually. fossilized into tracks, like what else. would be the explanation for something. that looks exactly like tracks? Is there. a natural explanation for those kind of.

formations? >> I don't I don't see anyone providing. No. one has an No one has. >> No, I mean I I only really know about. the ones on Molive because I went there. and kind of researched it. But those. ones they don't dispute. They're they're. definitely man-made. They just. >> Well, hold on. They're definitely. man-made cuz listen to what this says. I. first saw tracks in stone fossilized car. or terrain vehicle traces usually called. cart ruts on Neoen plantation surfaces. um uh penip peniple.

in frian. fraian. >> fragian fragian plane in May of 2014. Uh. they were situated in the field of. development of middle and late how do. you say that mosene mioene toughs. >> and tough tough heights and according to. age analysis of nearby volcanic rocks. had middle meiosene age of 12 to 14. million years. Yeah. So, this is Turkey, not Malta. But again, it I mean, you've. got these cart ruts that look like, you.

know, some sort of track and it's. millions of years old. And then you find. that wheel nearby. >> That's [ __ ] crazy. >> And you're like, what is this? >> I will look at what this says. Cultipin holds. Okay. The region that. Dr. cultivate is studied is relatively. obscure with guide books offering little. to no information about it. While. mainstream researchers argue that the. tracks are merely petrified remnants of. old cart ruts left by wheeled vehicles. pulled by donkeys or camels, cultipin.

holds a different perspective. Rejecting. these conventional explanations, he. stated firmly, "I will never accept it. I will always remember many other. inhabitants of our planet wiped from our. history." His. research suggested a deeper perhaps. forgotten history of Earth and its past. civilizations. Like what? >> Because if it it's back to the Curan. hypothesis, if it was millions of years. ago, how would we just we wouldn't know. >> You imagine millions of years ago people. had the wheel. >> or something. Might not be people.

>> Something whatever they were was pulling. things on wheels. >> Yeah. >> And they had cart ruts in the ground. So. maybe they didn't have. This is [ __ ] crazy. Uh, Cultipin. theorizes that the civilization. responsible for driving these heavy. vehicles likely built the numerous. identical roads, ruts, and underground. complexes scattered across the. Mediterranean region more than 12. million years ago. He acknowledges that.

petrification can occur relatively. quickly, but points to the heavy mineral. deposits on the tracks and signs of. erosion as evidence of much old of a. much older timeline. He also connects. these tracks to surrounding underground. cities, irrigation systems, and wells. which he believes are millions of years. old. >> Yes, that's like Darren. >> So what if Darren Hu is millions of. years old and these tracks are related. to it? >> This is so crazy. On his website,

Coltipin wrote, "Oh, hope I'm not. [ __ ] his name up. We are dealing with. extremely tough lithified petrified. sediments covering covered with a thick. layer of weathering that takes millions. of years to develop, full of multiple. cracks with new newly developed minerals. in them, which could only emerge in. periods of high tectonic activity.". Whoa. >> Pretty crazy, huh? That's the craziest. thing I've ever seen in my life. That's.

crazy cuz I knew those cart ruts. existed, but I didn't look into them. I. didn't know what the timeline was. I. didn't know that there's anybody that's. even speculating. That thing looks like. a [ __ ] wheel, >> and it's right in the same place. So, you got this fossilized wheel and these. fossilized cart ruts from hundreds of. millions of years ago. >> The wheel was printed in a sandstone on. the of the roof. Um guys, drifters tried. to cut away the find with the. pickhammers and try to take it out to. the surface, but sandstone was so strong.

and firm and having been afraid to. damage a print, they have left it in. place. At present, the mine is closed. and access to the object is impossible. The equipment dismantled and the given. layers are already flooded. >> Uh. >> yeah, they. >> get in there. that I think it was something to do with. like just I don't think it's like some. conspiracy like hide the wheel, hide the. wheel. But I mean maybe it would but I. think it's more just like the practice.

of what they would they were finished. their mining thing and they found this. wheel. They weren't going to excavate. the wheel cuz they were like, >> "Bro, if that's a real wheel, if if. someone can carve that out of there and. realize like if scientists look at if. they get a 3D scan of it and they go, "Okay, we have to completely. rethink everything. If something had a. wheel 12 million years ago, >> 300 million. >> 300. what? >> Like what are we talking about?" I mean.

it would it would be like the salan. hypothesis. It would be another it. wouldn't be human unless you mean you'd. have to radically rewrite everything if. that was. >> right. But what does that mean then? Like what are we talking about? Like. >> different intelligence some other. species. >> So maybe there was something like us. that lived like medieval humans. >> That was millions of years ago. >> It's the same problems like we have like. if they're living on Earth, they're. dealing with the same kind of physics. They you know they have to move. materials around. Like why would you not. come up with the same kind of thing like. a wheel? Like it's a simple invention.

>> That's what's interesting too when we're. always finding new dinosaurs. Like. that's a common thing, right? And if. these were a type of human being or. something similar to human beings that. buried their dead. >> Yeah. >> What are we going to find? Like what are. we going to find after 12 million years? >> Nothing except for maybe a fossilized. wheel. >> Yeah. Or these wheel tracks. >> Yeah. >> Well, what is the conventional. explanation of these wheel tracks? >> I don't know. But the I all I know about. the ones in Molton, they they definitely. say they're man-made. I don't know about.

these ones in Turkey. I haven't really. looked into it. Um but. >> those are crazy. >> I know. >> And then the fact that they go to. underground structures. >> Yeah. >> Help me. >> I know. Well, they're near the I don't. think they directly lead to like Darenu. or anything, but they're they're nearby. And then so then you start to think, what if Terrenuyu is like, you know, to. be fair, I think that's probably. man-made, but you know, it's stone. So, >> well, I'm sure it's man-made, but like. what kind of man? >> And it could have been man adapted. It. could have already been something there. and we kind of changed it.

>> That would be completely [ __ ] if we. found out there was another type of of. human that existed that did all that 12. million years ago. >> Well, it wouldn't even have to be a. human. It could be any kind of life in. just intelligence, >> right? But there's no evidence that. anything other than primates have been. that capable of manipulating their. environment other than primates, right? I guess I am. >> But we also know that there's certain. we're finding new ones all the time. Like this one that they found, I keep. [ __ ] it up. Homo Julian's. Is that.

it? >> Antictheria. >> Close. Anticther. >> Anticther. I'm going to get that right. I [ __ ] this one up too. The homo. Julian's. But this one was larger than. us. It had a larger brain capacity. And. um they know that they just I mean this. was just published in December of 2024. So they know that they're constantly. finding new branches of the human tree.

>> Yeah. And then you got Denise Evans or. Dennis Ovenans, however they you. pronounce that. And they just. reclassified that dragon man skull as. Denise and that's a huge. >> um. >> Yes. So Juluensis, is that how you would say that? I've. never heard of this. >> Yeah, cuz it's really new. >> Yeah. >> A new big-headed archaic humans, >> bigger than us with big ass heads and. big brains. >> Well, then you kind of get into the. thing of like giants and stuff and like.

could giants have been real and you. >> seems like that's a giant. >> Exactly. And you there is giant primates. that have been like confirmed like. giganticus or whatever it's called. You have hobbit humans like homo. florenis. how you pronounce that but you have. hobbit humans you have giant primate. primates. >> why can't you have giant humans. >> I think they did I think that's why. giants are always in the bible and I. think this thing how how old is this. fossil that they found of Juluensis.

so this one existed alongside. um I believe uh alongside at least least. some versions of man. Does it say how old it is? >> 300. >> 300,000 or. >> millionous. million. >> So that would that would just overlap. with us then. >> 300,000 years old. >> Yeah. >> Right. So, but here's the thing. They.

don't have a lot of this stuff. They. don't have a lot of evidence of this. creature. So, Right. So, they have I. believe it's one site. >> Is that correct? Is there one site where. they found this? It's. >> partly on a very large skull found in. China. >> Yeah. So, how many have they not found? That's the real real problem with us in. this whole fossil record thing is that. we're dealing with a very limited amount. of information. It's very difficult to. become information. It's very difficult. to become evidence, >> especially when you get up to these.

Again, it's the preservation problem. We. can't when you get back this far, it's. so hard to find stuff. >> You should see what this thing looks. like when they do like a 3D image of a. depiction. First of all, they make it. look super primitive. They cover it with. hair and give it jack muscles. It looks. like this freak. But whatever it is, it's way bigger than us. >> and it's a human and it lived alongside. us. So. >> David and Goliath, it's right there. >> And there's also the I think it's called. Megan Thropus, which is uh. >> Yeah, that's what it looked like. supposedly. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> Meanwhile, he probably had a calculator.

>> They make everything look cannon. >> Everyone's stupid and walking around in. >> Yeah. Everyone's stupid. Everyone has a. stick in their hand. When I was looking. up that wheel, I came across the London. Hammer. >> Oh, I've heard of that, too. But I heard. that that was that was solved. >> I did not see I mean, it doesn't make. sense. I'll just go with that. It's It. was found in 1936, I think. But the. limestone around it is supposedly 100. million years old. >> Ah, [ __ ] I never heard of this. >> Yeah, someone had an explanation for. that. >> Found in Texas. London, Texas, not. England. Just so.

>> No. >> Yeah, someone had an explanation for. that. I don't remember what it was. I'm. just looking over mysteries. A lot of. people discussing it. >> Um, why don't you look up uh London. Hammer debunked? >> That's I mean, wouldn't someone want to. debunk it? >> I know they would, but I want to know if. they're right. You know, I'm sure. someone would want to. >> There's lots of I'm just going there's. lots of people saying it's real and. fake, and there's just not a lot of. explanation on how it was found in old. limestone. >> Okay. Radiocarbon dating of the wooden. handle and the geological analysis have.

largely debunked the idea of extreme. antiquity. More details. The artifact. The London. hammer is a metal hammerhead with a. wooden handle found partially encased in. a concretion hard compact mass of. mineral matter. The claims some have. interpreted the hammer's presence in the. rock as evidence of advanced ancient. civilizations or a young earth pointing. to the seemingly anomalous placement of. a modern looking tool in ancient rock. Evidence against antiquity. Radiocarbon. dating of the wooden handle has placed.

its origin within the historical period, not millions of years. Geological. processes. The concretion itself is not. necessarily ancient. This is what I had. read. Minerals and solution can harden. around objects dropped or left in cracks. or on the surface of soluble rock. According to Gaia, out ofplace. artifacts. While the concept of out. ofplace artifacts can be intriguing, the. London hammer doesn't meet the criteria. of being considered an out ofplace. artifact, as is geological context and. dating suggest a more recent origin. You.

know, one of the things that I um always. go to with Egypt is those really bizarre. looking things that almost look like. like a a part of a machine like a that. wheel thing, >> shist disc, I think. >> Yeah. uh is something I don't I don't. remember what it's called some kind of a. disc but it looks like a part of. something like almost a fan. You're. looking at that like okay what is that. thing doing? Is that a turbine? Is that. in water? Does like something spin? Like. what is that? The fact that that's real.

>> that that one drives me nuts. >> It literally looks exactly like. something that's a replicate right part. of a machine. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean they found the. pieces of I've seen someone put it. they've cranked it up in water and it. can like displace water in a very unique. way. >> Yes. I don't know if that's, you know, the use of it, but that's. >> um see if you get an image of the actual. one, not a recreation, because I think. there's been some some of them uh. they've recreated it because I think. it's a very valuable thing. So, when.

people are looking at I think a lot of. times they're looking at recreations, but what whatever it was, no one can figure it out, right? And. it's carved out of stone. So how what. what. are you doing? What does that thing do? You know, >> yeah, >> that thing looks like a part of a. machine. It it looks like a part like if. you know like you have some ancient. machine and you've got a does a bunch of. things like it. >> It's a beer mixer,

>> right? >> Which would but I mean if you go with. Brico then I need to mix that stuff up. somehow. >> That's true actually, right? But it's. probably. >> beer, but. >> it's probably just one of many different. tools that were missing from back then. If that is just their stuff for making. what they call beer. Brian Meresco is. the guy who wrote the immortality key. I. don't know if you ever read any of his. stuff, but a lot of it is about uh. ancient uliss ancient Greece and the. Illusinian mysteries. >> Psychedelics again. >> Yes. Psychedelics. Yeah.

>> But a lot of it is, you know, what we. think of as beer and wine. Their all. their stuff was laced. >> Yeah. It was all laced with urgot and a. bunch of other stuff and different. psychedelics that we haven't really. identified yet. >> Yeah. And they combined that with their. kind of spirituality and. >> Yeah. >> everything. >> And that's why they built the society. that they built. >> Yeah. >> Which is the craziest thing about, you know, our weirdo technological. advanced society is disconnected from. that because it's illegal. >> Disconnected from the stars as well.

Disconnected from. >> light pollution. Yeah. Yeah. And we're. just all kind of rushing around in this. really hectic life of just like, you. know, got to go do this, got to do this, and just. >> not sitting back and kind of. appreciating. >> What was that? >> This is from an unknown author on. Reddit. That's when they put it on a. drill. >> Oh, so they made one of it and put it on. a drill. >> Yeah, >> that's great if you have a drill. >> I mean, >> so we're assuming that the Egyptians had. a drill. I'm assuming they had a drill. >> I think they definitely I mean, they. have all those drill holes, don't they? And they find all these.

>> and people like, "Oh, that's normal.". Yeah, >> I can explain that away. >> It was that spiral thing. I can't. remember what it's called, but um what's. it called? The the Chris Dunn did like a. he put like a thread around it to show. it was a spiral. >> Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. The groove. Yeah. And. he also estimated the revolutions per. minute that would take to do something. like that. >> Yeah. >> So, you're talking about something that. like is going into extremely hard rock. >> and looks like it has some ex extremely. hard tip that can cut that rock. Like, what is it made out of?

>> Yeah, that's it. That's it. And these. are like serious people. These are. engineers that are saying this kind of. thing. And the problem is that, you. know, archaeologists and Egyptologists. are all a certain type of person that. don't have the expertise in, you know, recognizing machined artifacts. >> Also, they're dorks and they don't. connect with people cuz they they're so. arrogant and when the way they talk. about these things that it freaks people. out and it makes them not want to. listen. This is, I think, the thing that. frustrates them the most about.

alternative historians like Graham. Hancock. He's really interesting. He's. compelling. >> He's a great communicator as well. >> He's a great communicator and wonderful. guy. And people love him and they go, "Oh, [ __ ] that guy. He's our racist. He's a this. He's a that.". >> And he's more popular than them as well. >> Yes. That's what drives them nuts. But. what it should be exciting to them. because it it's a it's stimulating. people's desire to know where we come. from and that's supposed to be your. business. That's supposed to be what. you're into.

>> And all he's doing is asking questions. and like putting forward a I don't think. Graeme would ever claim to like be, you. know, certain or to he's just saying. this could be possible, you know? >> Yeah. He's got some ideas that I think. are a big stretch and then he's got some. ideas that I think are dead on the head. But he will tell you that himself. >> Yeah, exactly. >> He will tell you that himself. He's just. trying to figure this out. >> And that's the position he always has. come from. Yes. And but they kind of see. it and they say, "How dare you claim. that you have proof?" And I don't think.

he's ever said he's got proof. >> A nice and sensitive person that like. this stuff really [ __ ] hurts his. feelings. >> I can imagine, mate, it must be hard. >> It's not necessary. Everybody should be. working together. They really should. And the academics, everyone knows that. you had a limited amount of information. before and there's more information now. Like your students are not going to hate. you if you say, "Listen, I wrote a whole. book on this. This is so crazy, but I. was so wrong.". >> They would respect you more. >> They probably would. Yeah. The thing.

about it is like that book is still out. there. And academics like to point at. each other and make fools of each other. They really love to do that. They really. love to I see them do it to each other. on Twitter all the time. They'll dismiss. someone's credentials and say his work. is [ __ ] and they're like, "God, you're. such bitches.". >> They're brutal. They're brutal to each. other, let alone someone who's. >> to each other. Yeah. Like high school. girls like talking [ __ ] about each other. in chat messages, you know, or high. school boys. They do the same thing.

>> But it's or [ __ ] grown men do it. obviously. And these guys are just like. that. there. But it's also I think some. of these guys are socially stunted. because they've they spent so much time. with their head in academia and their. head in books that they don't realize. the rest of the world sees that behavior. in a very transparent way. If you're. acting like a [ __ ] online and all you. do is say mean things about people, it's that's not you're not hiding what.

you are. Every reasonable person sees. that and instantaneously knows what's. going on. There's this is irrational. behavior. You're calling people racist. because they're questioning the timeline. of human civilization. Based on. evidence, based on really bizarre things. that no one can explain, based on water. erosion on rocks. Now you're racist. Like what are you talking about? >> It's just a way of like, you know, shutting down the ideas. I think. >> it's exactly what it is. It's exactly.

what it is. But it's it's done by people. that are socially stunted and they don't. understand that most normal rational. people who see them behave this way are. never going to listen to them again. By. doing this [ __ ] thing, you have. discounted your own participation in any. true like intellectual discourse because. everybody knows you're a bad faith actor. now. You're a bad person. You're you're. you're saying things because you're. trying to shut down a conversation.

instead of saying, "Huh? Tell me what. you did. How'd you get to this?". >> So, what is he saying? >> Water erosion. Whoa. Show me. Show me. the water erosion. Well, [ __ ] hell. That does look like water erosion. Okay, >> maybe we should like reevaluate this. >> Maybe we should bring you in to teach, you know? Like, what are we doing? We're. we're we're gatekeeping. We're. gatekeeping information because it's. protecting fragile egos of socially. stunted people. >> Yeah. And they've always, you know, they.

>> not to say they haven't done great. things. They exactly have done great. things. >> They do deserve the credit for that, but. we should give them amnesty for [ __ ]. up. >> But no one Yeah. Yeah, I mean we. wouldn't be able to talk about these. things without, you know, mainstream for. what. >> imagine what Harry in the math. department when you've been [ __ ] on. a string theory and now it finds, oh, look, look who's wrong about the. timeline. >> Yeah. >> Oh, it's Mike the [ __ ] genius. They're like [ __ ] on each other and. throwing coffee at each other. They're a. bunch of animals. They're just like like.

any other group of men, you know? >> It's just a human thing, isn't it? We're. all just humans. That's just, you know, how. >> chess players cheat. >> Yeah, exactly. like even genius ones. >> and often like these people this is like. you know the thing that they've worked. on and the kind of biggest success. they've had in their lives and they. don't want that taken away. >> They don't want it taken away and they. don't want to deal with those other. academics who are going to stick it in. their face. 40 years, Bob, >> 40 years you've been teaching lies. How's that feel? How about all those. college kids that left with a real.

[ __ ] up view of human history because. of you, Bob? >> Come on, Bob. Yeah, ex. >> poor Bob. Poor Bob is going to just like. write a note and blow his brains out. >> Yeah. But I mean, I don't know. I just I. hope that things are going to shift over. time and over the next few decades, we're going to see a big. >> one funeral at a time, >> I guess. So, that is the Max Plank. quote, isn't it? But I hope it doesn't. have to take that long. And I wish. people would shift their positions, man, because. >> Well, again, I think new people coming. in, it's like a lot of things, you know,

new people come in, they have new ideas, and the old dinosaurs. >> Yeah. But I think it's I don't know our. adherence to these ideas has kind of. distorted our understanding of history. and has kind of prevented us for looking. for things because you know we assume. that these things [ __ ] Sorry. No. worries. >> Almost unplugged the microphone. >> That wheel is still freaking me out. >> Yeah. >> It's crazy. Huh. >> It's crazy. >> But we just don't look for these things. cuz. >> Have you seen any of Jesse Michael's. stuff? >> He's the uh kind of UAP kind of guy, isn't he? >> Yeah. I haven't really I don't I I do.

kind of delve into that but I don't I. mean I don't like talk about or anything. but. >> his latest one is. >> to do the mummy the tridactyl mummies in. Peru. >> Yeah that's the one. >> where they've done scans of them and. they have fully intact bone structure. Looks like an actual creature. >> Fully intact. Three feet, three toes, different shaped head than us. >> Whatever it is like and also 1700 years. old. like what is that? >> So what's the like debunking of that?

>> Well, there's some of them that people. have made that seem to be a complete. fabrication. It simp see seems to be. some of them they've pieced together. bones and created like a fake artifact. and tried to sell it off. But then. there's these other ones that were found. that don't look like that at all. They. look like they're they're huddled up. One of them has a fetus inside of it. >> Yeah. What the [ __ ]. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They and whatever. these things are, show them the video. when when you see the scans of it. Um,

American Alchemy, Jesse Michaels. Awesome show. >> Yeah, he's cool, man. I watched his show. on here. He's awesome. Um, >> yeah. M I C H E Ls. >> And didn't Isn't there also I might have. made this up, but isn't there also like. depictions of this in kind of ancient. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Is that true? >> Yeah. Ancient artwork. Three-fingered, three-toed people with big heads. >> Well, that's weird. Then. >> weird. When you see this thing, this. thing looks exactly like these. This is. it. This is an actual scan of this.

mummy. Look at the size of the head. Look at. the shape of the head. Look at all the. bones. Look at all the ribs. Everything. That's [ __ ] bananas. >> Now, um Jamie, show him what it looks. like before they scan it. So, they they. found them encased in I think it's. dichomous earth. Is that what it was? But. >> how old do they think the these things. are? >> Some of them are 700 years old and some.

of them are as old as 1700 years old. >> But not that old though. >> But look at that thing. So this thing. >> this thing. >> that is ridiculous. >> That seems to be an actual mummy of a. real creature. >> Yeah. >> And here's the thing. Like. >> is that Jesse there? >> No. Yeah, Jesse's right there. There he. is. Yeah. >> Jesse is doing real journalism on this. This is what it sounds crazy to. everybody, including me, as it comes out. of my mouth. But then when you look at. that scan, not crazy anymore. And that's. one of a smaller one. But the bigger one.

with the big head, that one right there, that one's crazy. Like, what the [ __ ] is. that? If that was a person, you would. run for the hills. >> with a head that shape with three. fingers and three toes. And the fact. that they have artwork depicting these. things that goes back. >> Yeah. Cuz because if it's a fake, then. how are they depicting it, >> right? What is this? Like did they have. look at look at the scans of the foot. >> Go back to that. This is crazy.

It's almost if like it defies the. possibility. of it being fraudulent. It it defies it. It's like make that. You show me how you. can make that where you can scan it and. you see the tissue and the ligaments and. the tendons and the cartilage and the. joints and they're not human shaped. >> Yeah, that's crazy. >> I haven't really looked into this, but. this is kind of nuts. These were real. creatures that existed at one point in.

time alongside us and they're just now. finding them. Now then you get to you. get into ultimate weirdness cuz like. okay what's the Nazca lines for? Cuz. that's the same part of the world. >> Yeah. And then there's there's other. weird like uh artwork of kind of like. things that look alien and in you know. South America. >> Well, there's one of the Nazca lines. looks like a [ __ ] spacuit. Looks like. a guy in a space suit. And also like why. would you make artwork that you can only. see from the sky? Yeah. That's always. puzzled me about that. >> Weird.

>> So weird. >> The same part of the world where you're. finding these things. >> Mhm. And they've all they're they're. like perfectly done as well. >> Yeah. >> And they're perfect like, you know, lines and shapes and. >> weird geometric. >> And they keep finding new ones. >> Yeah, they do. Yeah. >> Yeah. It's very strange. >> I mean, South America is just, you know, it's I think South America and. Egypt/Turkey are the two kind of areas. that are the most kind of, >> you know, mysterious. And like there's. so much going on there that I think we. haven't quite acknowledged how much. mystery there is still left. And yeah,

fascinating. Especially when you throw. this in. I mean, I haven't really I. haven't looked into this at all, but. >> crazy. >> Going to have to start watching Jess. >> Like, what is that? >> Yeah, that's. >> And what if they find out that's not a. human at all? >> Well, I mean, it doesn't look like a. doesn't look like a human. >> No. Right. Like I mean, it could be. >> I guess it's kind of some bizarre. mutation, right? Like those ostrich feet. people in Africa. Have you seen that? >> Yeah. Yeah, I guess so. >> It's possible that there's some weird. mutation and this is a bunch of people. with big heads and three fingers and.

three toes, but it doesn't seem like it. >> It seems like something different. Also, what are you doing with three fingers? You're operating electronics only. Like, you ain't picking [ __ ] up. You can't do. anything. You don't have opposable. thumbs. The idea that you have something. that looks like us that doesn't have. opposable thumbs like. >> Yeah, that's like a big evolutionary. kind of advantage. >> What is this thing doing? >> What are you doing? Unless all you do is. like put your hand on a on a machine. >> and you control everything with. telepathy and you just control it by.

touching it. >> and you don't need, you know, maybe it. gets to a point where we stop using our. thumbs and they just [ __ ] drift away. We only need a couple of digits. >> So what like what is like Jesse's. theories on what. >> Oh, their fingers have an extra digit. too. >> What does that mean? >> So you know how like you know your your. finger bends in a certain way, they have. what is an extra fange? What would you. call it? an extra little, you know, you. have like one, two, three bones. They. have a fourth. >> fourth bone so you could type quicker.

with three fingers. I don't [ __ ]. know. But it's like. >> that's not us. That's something weird. The skull shape is weird. But it looks. like a real thing. >> Yeah. If that's real, that kind of, you. know, changes everything. >> Changes everything. And you don't hear. in the New York Times. You're not seeing. in the New York Post. It's not in the. Wall Street Journal, but they might have. actually found a life form in mummified. form that's not us. >> That looks a lot like these [ __ ]. aliens that people have been talking. about since the beginning of time.

>> And why is So why is no one talking. about except for Jesse? >> I don't know, man. Look at that. Look at. the X-rays of them. Look at See, it has. an extra little thing at the end. >> That's like an incredible fake. If. that's a fake, >> that's not our fingers, man. That's a. little extra joint. And it's not the. fingers aren't even you'd have to be. like the freakiest longfingered. [ __ ] that's ever lived to have. fingers that long. >> Those are weird. >> And yes, >> that's not us. That's something. different. >> That's bizarre. >> Very bizarre. Again, anybody who tells.

you that we know it all, they're full of. [ __ ] If that's real, you don't know. anything. >> Yeah. If that's real, if that becomes. mainstream, if this is from Jesse, and I. hope it does, and they do genetic. testing on this thing, and then someone. figures out what it is, and it's got. different chromosomes than us and. different DNA than us, like now what? >> Yeah, exactly. >> Now what? >> What are the chances we have got. everything, you know, because these. people seem to think that, you know, we've got it all worked out now, you.

know? >> It's zero. The chances are zero. >> It's never been the case. And we've. always thought we've had it all worked. out all the way through history. It's. always like, "Oh, now we know the. answers." And it's always we there's. always a major paradigm shift around the. corner. >> Exactly. >> So what's around the corner now? >> Exactly. >> Something like this or the ancient. civilization thing or both. >> Well, it's so fun though. It's really. exciting. It's a really exciting time to. find things out because if this had. emerged 50 years ago, 75 years ago, there's no Jesse Michaels. There's no. YouTube. There's no podcast like this to.

talk about Jesse Michaels and send a. bunch of people over to go watch it. More people know the better. Let's like. look at this. This might be real. This. is crazy. >> And that's why it probably is coming out. in this kind of day and age because the. internet's not been around for very. long. >> But why isn't MSNBC covering this? Why. isn't CNN covering this? They should all. be covering this. They should all be. going, >> "Look at these scans that this YouTuber. Jesse Michaels did. If this is true, this seems like something that's not a.

human being.". >> I know. It's just too. >> Aliens are real. This is from 2017. They. someone had found just a hand. >> Whoa. >> It's obviously the same. >> Bizarre three-fingered hand in 2017. >> Mummified hand found in a tunnel in. Peru. >> It said these fing these fingers had six. bones in each. >> Whoa. >> Regular human bone has three. >> Whoa, dude. Mmified hand is made up of bone.

and skin, suggesting that it's not fake. Unless it was somehow made using real. bones, flesh, and skin. But how would. you fake. >> How would you do that a long time ago. and mummify it? Yeah, it's all so. strange. And that part of the world, they've had stories about these kind of. creatures forever. That's why they have. all this artwork about them. Not only. that, that is an exact replica. Like. when if you ever see the movie Moment of. Contact, the James Fox movie, it's about. uh an incident in an incident in Brazil.

in 1994. 96. Uh the Virginia Brazil incident. where there was a crashed UFO. These. police officers went to go and see this. crash. There was some sort of electrical. storm and then they found this creature. that seemed to uh have been injured from. the craft. The guy picks it up, takes it. in his car, they bring it to a hospital. The hospital refuses to treat it. They. bring it to another hospital. That.

hospital, they don't know what happened. with the records or what happened, but. they do know that the guy who carried it. physically died of a horrible bacterial. infection that they could not cure. They. said it smelled like sulfur and it had. three fingers and three toes. It looked. like that thing. It had a long head and. this whatever this creature was that is, you know, mummified. It looks exactly. like what these people were talking. about from this UFO crash in Virginia,

Brazil. Like it's a it's the entire. folklore of the town. They have a a UFO. when you enter into the town of. Virginia. They have like this giant. statue of a UFO. Like every there's. still people alive to this day that live. in that town that will tell you the. story. And you can go across town. You. can go here. They all have the same. story. There's multiple UFOs in the sky. One of them crashed. They found two. creatures. One of them was alive. They. think one of them was dead. this.

whatever this crash site was, they bring. in the movie moment movie, excuse me, movie moment of contact. They bring this. police officer to the site and he starts. weeping. Like if that guy's if he's a. liar, he's the greatest actor of all. time. The guy starts freaking out when. he starts telling the story of what he. found in the 1990s. It like brings him. back to that moment. The women who saw. the the being, they're like in their 40s. now. They were little girls when they. saw it. And they all have the same. story. >> And it matches. >> three-fingered, three-toed, looked like.

that. Looked exactly like that. >> Man, if I wasn't doing the ancient. history thing, I'd love to talk about. this stuff as well. >> It might be the same thing. >> Yeah. I mean, you never know. You never. know. I'd love to like maybe make some, you know, connection. But thing is, I. don't I just don't want to give anyone. more ammunition to come after me and. [ __ ] Like they'll call me a pseudo. >> They're coming after you, buddy. Don't. >> They're probably coming after me after. today. Yeah, they're going to after all. the nonsense that we've talked, >> but it's fun to talk nonsense and this. is definitely fun nonsense. But that. body is not nonsense. The Vargia thing I.

don't think is nonsense either. Weird. >> The kind of stories however long ago. matched to the mummified bodies, that's. that's weird. >> Not just that, but biblical stories. about creatures that are demons that. smell like sulfur. >> Yeah. >> Right. If you're terrified of something. and you think you've decided that is a. demon cuz it's actually an advanced life. form from somewhere else and it smells. like sulfur, >> like whatever they have that got on this. guy's skin that gave him this horrible. bacterial in. It's all documented. The.

guy died. He was a young healthy soldier. and he's dead within like a couple of. weeks. >> Yeah, that's that's not a coincidence. >> They're giving him antibiotics. This is. the 90s. This is not like the 1800s. You. know, they're treating him with modern. medicine and he's [ __ ] and he dies. >> What the [ __ ]. >> Yeah. And this is the guy that was. carrying the alien. Are you [ __ ]. kidding me, >> mate? I need to look into this. >> And it smells like sulfur and it looks. exactly like a thing. That's a real. thing. >> Yeah. >> Where they have a real mummy of these.

things? >> Yeah. >> See if you can get an image, an artist. depiction. So, they had these kids. describe what they saw and they drew. this three-fingered, three-toed little, it was like almost like a purple looking. thing. >> And do you think that's linked in any. way to all this kind of mysterious stone. construction we find in South America. that no one can really explain? And here. we go. >> What is the image? The thing that was. curled up in the ground. There's like a. image. Yeah, that one. That that one.

with the red eyes. No. Yeah, that one. That's what it looked like. Somebody. actually made uh a sculpture of that. what exactly what it looked like and. gave it to us. We have it at the mother. ship. >> But the thing is, if it was an alien, why would it look so human? If that. makes sense. Unless it came from this. planet, I suppose, >> right? But does it look human? Maybe. that's just like a con that's a maybe. that's a constant. thing when you evolve from primates. And. maybe there's a thing about the alien. gray too that's always been like this.

archetype of what we eventually will. become. >> Kind of like the big like skinny limbs. big. >> Yeah. So this is how those guys. described it. This is how they described. what it looked like. Man, that looks an. awful lot like like that creature. >> Uhhuh. >> The big eyes, the whole deal. The weird. spindly body. That drawing right there where it's. hunched over. The one to the right of. your cursor. Yeah. That's the one that's. my favorite cuz it's like what is 1996? Like I don't know. I don't know what the.

hell that is. But what if it's real? And. what if those things in Peru are exactly. that thing? And what if you know this. thing has visited human beings multiple. times in history? >> So would you say it's from another. planet? And. >> who knows? It might be from here. I just. that's why I think if it's got the kind. of similar kind of like primate form. >> it it might look if these things are. they're finding these mummified remains. in Peru. Clearly it was here. Why would.

we assume it's not from here? >> Yeah. >> Like maybe we just have a really. inaccurate timeline of life on this. planet and maybe some things went under. sea which sounds nuts but then there's. all these [ __ ] videos of things. coming out of the water. That's where I. would hide if I was trying to hide or. even, you know, >> I mean, if you've mastered gravity to. the point where you create like a bubble. around everything you are and you travel. through it without any resistance. whatsoever. And they they've clocked. things going underwater that are going.

like 500 knots underwater. They have no. idea how it does that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's all kind of um. it's like this inter I mean, you. probably know more about this than me, but my only exposure to the kind of UAP. thing was traditionally through I'm a. big fan of uh Blink 182 and there's Tom. Dong is. >> I've had Tom Dong. >> Yeah, you've had him on. You've had. Travis on as well. You get used to get. Mark on. He's the third. >> He's complete the set. >> I love Travis. >> I've always I'm in a band I. >> don't love Tom either. I used I thought. he was crazy when I had him on before.

and now I'm like, damn, I think he might. be on to something. >> Well, he's so cool. He's always been. like an inspiration for me. Like I make. music and he's been you know a big uh. >> you know inspiration for me but he. always got me into he kind of got me. into the UAP thing from ago. >> Yeah. >> He's all in. But I do have to say that. if I wanted if I was the government and. I wanted to like spread a bunch of crazy. stories about UFOs. I'd tell them to. people like Tom. >> I guess so. Yeah. >> And I'd tell them to people like me. I. mean I think people do that on this.

podcast. I think some of the information. that gets shared on this podcast is. probably [ __ ]. >> to kind of like, you know, muddy the. waters. Yeah. >> And to prime people for disclosure. Yeah. I think the if I was in charge and. uh if I had done the how put off thing, you know what the how put off was. assigned to do where he was. >> So they they gave him a numeric. numerical value for all these different. things that would be positively. influenced by disclosure and negatively.

influenced and you assign a value 1. through 10 like what's going to happen. to religion, what's going to happen to. politics, what's banking, all that. stuff. And this was during the Bush. administration. So Bush essentially said. to Hal put off the Bush administration. said we have been working on a crash. retrieval program. We have vehicles that. are not from this world. We are not. alone. If we. release this information to the general. public and disclose it, what will be the.

negative impact? What will be the. positive impact? Is it overall positive. or is it overall negative? And everyone. they there was a bunch of different. independent people that they assigned. this task to. Everyone came up with much. more on the negative than on the. positive. So they decided to not. disclose it. This is how put off story. I can't. >> I can't tell you if it's true or not. >> Yeah. But why do you think it was. negative? Just because of like the shock. >> the impact. Yeah. The shock the the. complete lack of any um real faith in.

authority figures. Like, why would you listen to the. president of the United States when. there's [ __ ] UFOs reading your mind. and traveling instantaneously here from. wherever they're they're from? >> Yeah. >> Like all of our systems of power and. control, they all go away cuz we don't. you're not in control anymore. Clearly, the aliens are in control. People would. worship the aliens. >> But do you but do you think they're kind. of like drip feeding us and then at some. point it would come out? But then isn't.

that going to happen anyway? I don't. think it's totally organized because I. think most things in the government are. not totally organized. I think there's a. lot of chaos going on at all levels of. the government. I really believe that. And to think that in this top secret UFO. crash retrieval world, there's not a lot. of chaos. There's chaos in everything. There's chaos in the FBI. They're having. problems. The CIA has its own problems. Every organization has great people and. a bunch of clowns and a bunch of nutty.

people that don't want to lose their. positions of power and these little. struggles, inter office [ __ ] in. every organization with human beings. So, for sure that's the same thing with. UFO disclosure. >> Yeah. And then um I think there's also. the problem with if there really is a. crash retrieval program and it's been. going on for a long time and it's been. going on without congressional oversight. that means you've been lying and you've. been misappropriating money and. >> guys Joo. >> and everybody's [ __ ] So what's the. best way to like you got to slowly.

trickle out the information and you got. to mix it up with a whole lot of. [ __ ] whole lot of nonsense and then. fly some drones over people and see how. they respond. I remember that thing that. there was something recently about that, wasn't there? >> Yeah, the New Jersey thing. Yeah, there's giant drones over New Jersey and. then they try to find them with fighter. jets. The lights would shut off and they. take off. >> What was that? What? How did they. >> Who [ __ ] knows? >> They just brush over that. >> Yeah. They say, "Oh, it's ours." Like, they didn't even tell us exactly what. was going on, but it was almost like a.

national emergency. It was a national. story. It was I remember Trump saying. that he was not going to go play golf in. New Jersey because they were flying in. New Jersey. Was this pre-election? Was. this before he became president? >> I think. >> Was it Biden? >> I think it was during Was it during? Yes, I think it was. >> Was it December? Januaryish. >> I think it was December. >> Like 2024. >> I don't think he was the president yet. >> No, he became president January. >> Right. Right. Right. But it was it post.

election? >> It was post election. Right. I actually. can't remember is uh Mike Ben saying. that this has happened a couple years in. a row and they were waiting for it to. happen this year. It did and then he. also predicted it would just disappear a. few weeks later and it did. >> Yeah. Like what was that? Maybe it's. just a grand show that they put on for. us to distract us from some other stuff. Maybe there's some banking [ __ ]. decisions that were going on at that. time that we would have probably paid. attention to. >> Yeah. Like look at the drones. >> Yeah. No, that's a real thing. >> Yeah, of course. Of course.

>> I would do that if I had some drones. Or. maybe. >> if I was trying to pull off some. shenanigans, >> couldn't it just be, you know, like. advanced weapons or technology that, you. know, we have or or you know, your. government has that could uh. >> Most certainly. >> because it doesn't have to be alien just. for it to be like more advanced than. like the kind of public knows about, if. that makes sense. >> Yeah, most certainly. I I would imagine. that a lot of what we're dealing with is. advanced American military craft and.

probably done through some top secret. research that was real shady and. probably a lot of people spent a whole. lot of money doing this stuff. And. there's probably some like this is the. people that have gone to S4 and talked. about it. You you can't it's all. anecdotal so you never really know if. they're telling the truth. But there's. been people that have no reason to lie. that say that they have technology that. is 40, 50 years past anything that you. can imagine right now. >> Yeah. >> And they already have it. And they've.

been spending [ __ ] piles of money making. the wildest things your mind can ever. conceive of. And they already have it. And it probably looks super alien when. they take it out. >> Yeah. I mean, why would they tell us. what the most advanced thing they have. is? They wouldn't. They wouldn't. That's. not going to be public information, is. it? >> Exactly. Exactly. So, even current. history is confusing. >> Yeah. >> So, the idea of you knowing exactly what. happened 5,000 years ago, shut up,

[ __ ] You don't know. >> You definitely don't know if you find a. 12 million year old wheel like. >> 300 million year old. It's all too nuts. Yeah, exactly. We. don't know what's going on now. So, how. could we know what's going on? >> So, the wheel was 300 million years, but. the cart tracks the cart tracks are. what, 12 million years? >> I don't know. >> That's what this That's what this guy. says. Listen, it's all fun. It's all fun. and it's very interesting and I'm I'm. really glad you're out there because uh. I have binge watched your show. You do a. great job. It's really informative and. interesting and speculative and and.

fascinating because I just love the. subject and I think you just do a great. job. So, uh I hope you get a lot of. views and uh you keep doing it and I'm. I'm happy that you're doing it and I'm. really uh happy that you came here. >> Well, thank you, Joe. I mean, it's been. a great honor to be here to be out in. Austin. I've loved it. It's incredible. What an experience and yeah, it's been. uh really fun talking to you and I'm. super appreciative of the opportunity. Yeah. So, thanks so much. >> My pleasure. So, tell everybody how to. find you. Um social media stuff. >> Just put my name in. I'm I'm Michael.

Button and I'm on YouTube, I guess, and. they'll probably find me if I'm doing my. job correctly. That's me on the screen. >> Michael Button one. >> Michael Button one. Yeah. There's. someone else out there who's got my my. name apparently. >> Yeah. So, don't go to Michael Button on. YouTube. Go to Michael Button one. That. seems so silly. >> Yeah. >> [ __ ] the other Michael Button. come to. me. Well, maybe he's a nice guy. >> Yeah, sure. >> He's got your name. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you, brother. Appreciate it. Thanks for being here. Bye, everybody. [Applause]. [Music].