Joe Rogan Experience #2365 - Rep. Anna Paulina Luna

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> So, what did you think about the whole. UFO thing before you got in office? >> Um, so I actually had when I was. stationed at Portland Air National. Guard, my job there was an airfield. manager. So, I would interface and work. a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit. And so, um, there had been an airspace. incursion that had taken place when I.

was still at the time at the Guard and I. remember kind of talking to some of the. pilots about it and I was like, "What. was that?" And they're like, "Eh, we. can't really talk about it." And no one. really wanted to address it. And so from. what I had gathered, that had been. likely a UAP. Um, and so that kind of. was my perspective. Granted, I also grew. up in the generation of the X-Files and. you know, I don't know if you remember. 94 Independence Day. So like for me. specifically, I didn't look at it with. like a crazy lens and perspective. I'm. like, you know, you you never know if.

you know we're the only ones out there. essentially. >> But why did you assume that if it's a. top secret incursion that he couldn't. talk about that it wasn't just a. military craft from another country? >> Because of the way that he was. discussing it. >> How did what did he say? >> So he had been um he didn't want to from. what I gather taken off flight status. and he's like I really can't discuss it. um we couldn't really like identify it. essentially and it had outperformed. them. And so that was my first from a. military perspective kind of experience.

with someone who basically you know. there's a stigma within the flight. community. Um do you want to lose your. security clearance? Um what you know is. there this level of crazy that people. kind of brand that will stick with you. and kind of ruin your career. >> But doesn't he have instrumentation on. his jet? well, at the time, right? So, an an older platform, but he really. didn't want to even talk about it. And I. bring that up because now with our. investigation and the task force that I. run, actually the reason why the task. force was formed was because of a event.

that happened at Eglund Air Force Base. where both myself, Representative Mates. and Representative Tim Burchetta. actually had responded and gone to. investigate mult multiple Air Force. pilots that had come forward in regards. to UAP incidences that had occurred and. they were alleging that the Air Force. was covering it up. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. So that was that and like I'm. happy to go into detail on that one but. what I will tell you is the stuff that I. saw at Eglund how the military responded. me being you know a former service. member and then ultimately what I saw.

with the the push back of the military. not even wanting to share with Congress. information which is a big problem. because when you have Congress that's. supposed to be the advocate and voice. for the American people the oversight. body and you're being denied access not. just from a base commander but high. level up at the Pentagon even secretary. of defense it's a problem. Do you think. that it's possible that these are US. vehicles that are top secret? I. definitely think that there's a level of. advanced technology that the US. government has and I think that that. that tech can be housed within the. defense contract realm and of course.

some information is going to be. classified but I can also tell you and. this might sound crazy but based on our. investigations and stuff that we've seen. okay there is definitely something that. I think would rival what we know. currently with physics and a tech that. potentially is out there that we don't. have the ability to reproduce because it. would basically be like dropping a cell. phone cell phone right off back during. the time of maybe caveman's. So like we. just don't have the tech to develop it. yet. What I can also tell you is based.

on our interviews and this has been. something that you can go back and watch. with the congressional hearings but I. was actually able to ask some of the. witnesses you know what are these things. and they keep saying interdimensional. and then when you talk about the. interdimensional aspect of you know are. these things pre-existing maybe outside. of what we currently know as our own. dimension. Um, that stuff can kind of. all sound crazy, but at the end of the. day, you know, my job as an investigator. is to receive all the information, decipher it, and then ultimately from a. congressional aspect, if you do have.

contractors that are withholding. information or operating outside of the. purview of the federal government, I. mean, there's budgetary issues, but. there's definitely something that I can. tell you with confidence that exists. that we don't know how to explain. currently. >> So, when you say that it operates. outside our understanding of physics, what specifically are you saying? like. what what happened. >> to to I guess break it down in simple. terms is that I think that some of the. tech that exists that whatever these. things have these energy things have um.

>> energy things you mean. >> well they call them inter. interdimensional beings I think that. they can actually operate through the. time spaces that we currently have and. that's not something that I came up with. on my own that's based on stuff that. we've seen that's based on information. that we've been told and then also too I. think that there's this historical. aspect of you know this gets into the. deeper theories and concepts of religion. and and I think the history that we.

currently know and and that kind of. spins off into another topic of you know. you have the modern day Bible you have. this aspect of Bibles that or books of. the Bible that have been removed that. explain and kind of touch on these. topics and I think that we're in a time. and age where you have such a a vast. amount of information that we have. access to via social media, via your. cell phone, via the internet. And so. it's really changing the way that we. understand, you know, the origins of. life and and the spiritual reality that.

we know. >> When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these are. interdimensional beings. How do they. know that? >> That so um based on testimony would be. based on witnesses that have come. forward. But what I can tell you, so the. witnesses just were told that they were. in that they've that they've seen things. and what I can tell you without getting. into classified conversations um is that. there have been incidences that I. believe. where very credible people have reported.

that there have been movement outside of. time and space. >> that's very vague. >> Yeah. So look unfortunately. >> Yeah. Yeah. Look um have I seen a portal. open? No. Have I seen a spaceship. personally? No. Have I seen evidence of. this? Yes. Have I seen photo. documentation of aircraft that I believe. were not made by mankind? Yes. Is there. historical significance to this? Yes. Is.

there multiple events that go back to, I. would argue, maybe even before the time. of Christ that have documented this in. text? Yes. So, do I believe that the. government has access to certain. technology? Yes, to an extent. And I. believe that certain contractors. potentially have backgineered this tech. I think that that's what can explain the. advancements that we're seeing. But I. also believe that this is a dangerous. level of hidden information from the.

American people because if you have an. aspect of the federal government, which. I can tell you I with two other members. of Congress were denied access to. information at Eglund Air Force Base. pertaining to whistleblowers because of. the fact and we can get into that story. on what happened at Eglund in a second, but we were denied access and told that. we don't have security clearance or the. readin authority on a special access. program. That's a problem because I'm. supposed to represent and be an. investigative body and you have then. people who are unelected that are. operating basically in secrecy. Um and.

and that's a problem. That's a big. problem. >> And so how do these people have the. authority to do that? >> I think it's been decades of classified. secret information then also this aspect. of the intelligence community that's. been empowered. And it's kind of. serendipitous with timing because when. you talk about the intelligence. communities and what they've done. essentially to the trust in this country. with the American people, I think this. goes all the way back even into JFK um. with how they basically have operated.

outside of the purview of Congress and. and basically to an extent have gone. rogue up until recently. You're seeing a. big push and pull to try to reign in. these intelligence agencies currently. >> Yeah. So what I want to bring it back to. evidence. You said that you've seen. evidence like what kind of evidence have. you seen? >> I have seen photos. I have seen um. >> what have you seen photos of? >> So, I was in a skiff and I can't discuss. all that was in a skiff, but what I can. tell you is based on the photos that.

I've seen, I'm very confident that. there's things out there that have not. been created by mankind. It seems crazy that people have access. to information that shows that there's. something outside of us that is more. intelligent, at least more capable than. we are, and they hide it from everybody. else. What I can tell you is that when. you have thousands upon thousands of. people around the planet throughout time. that have reported something, >> right, >> to say that those people are crazy, to.

say that, you know, the whole concept of. even just asking the question that you. might not necessarily be psychologically. sound, >> that in itself, you know, that's a. disinformation campaign to get people to. shut up about it. And that's that's a. problem. We know that the US government. has not exactly been clean and a lot of. what they've done with the American. people specifically to the topic of. UFOs. You have. >> which makes you think that it's probably. because there's something there. If you. think about the motivation they had with. Project Blue Book. >> when Jay Allen Heinik was running.

Project Blue Book, this specific. intention was to discredit all stories. >> And he ended up ultimately though after. all of his investigations becoming. someone that was like, I think those are. something cute. But that that's true. Um, by the way, a lot of people might. not necessarily go on to Google and look. up that information, but you can. actually look up the declassified. reports from Project Blue Book. What's. also interesting though is when we're. talking about tech, right, the ability. for. this tech being that it exists to change. dependence for entire governments on.

things like fossil fuel, etc. You know, it's um, look, I think everyone has a. moral obligation to do what they think. is right. Okay? And so if you're in a. position of power and you see something. wrong and you're not addressing it, I. think you know this in itself getting. the truth out there for people to decide. for themselves. I'm not telling you what. to believe. I'm just telling you in our. investigations and what we are pushing. for in regards to transparency. I would. like to see the federal government roll. out some of the stuff that we've been. given access to because I think that.

that information belongs in the hands of. the American people. And it's not even. just the US government. I mean there's. other countries around the world that. have done certain things like this. Now, look, I've had a lot of crazy people. show up at my office and say, you know, I like I've heard it all. Yeah. I've. been to Mars. Um, you know, I have a. chip in my brain, all this stuff. >> They all have chips. >> We had this one guy that showed up that. was like trying to give us a USB. He's. like, put this in your computer. They're. going to kill me for this. Like runs. away. >> And I'm like, I'm not putting that in my. computer. But based on our. investigations, what I will tell you is,

you know, there's been um two members of. Congress that are actually helping to. lead out these investigations with me. And the reason I say that is because up. until last Congress, if you even said. the word UAP or UFO, people actually. told us that if we went forward with. these investigations that we were going. to ruin our political careers. And so, you know, we're in the mindset of, well, like why wouldn't we ask these. questions? And also too, if no one wants. to touch it, like there has to be. something here, right? >> Right. And so in these investigations, I. mean, the amount of people that will. come up to us, very successful people to.

multiple members of Congress that. believe the same thing, it's definitely. changed in regards to the stigma that. used to exist about disclosure and all. this. And so what we're trying to do. currently was there's a big documentary. that was filmed about a year and a half. ago and we're trying to get a screening. up on Capitol Hill. But look, I I think. a lot of people say, "Well, this is a. distraction from everything else. happening in the country right now." And. all I'm simply trying to say is it's not. a distraction. the people that are kind. of helping to divulge all this. information. You have an intelligence.

community, you know, Tulsi Gabbard, Radcliffe, Cash Patel, they they have. been truly in regards to our other. investigations extremely transparent and. wanting to get this information out. But. it doesn't mean that within these. intelligence communities, there isn't. push back. And so part of the reason why. the task force was formed pertaining to. things like UAP, pertaining to things. like the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, pertaining to things like um the JFK, MLK, and RFK investigations is because. even though we don't hold. declassification authority, what we're. trying to do is push these agencies and.

be, if you will, the pit bull and the. attack dog on trying to get this. information released. And to a lot of. these agencies credits, they've been. extremely transparent and we have gotten. wins specifically on the JFK stuff and. we're still looking to declassify and. ask specifically on the UAP topic. What. would be the rationale for keeping a. photograph of a known ab absolute not of. this world craft from the American. people or from the world? Why why would. anybody think that that would be the. smart thing to do is to limit the access. of that information to a very small.

amount of people? I think that part of. the fear is is that you have advisers. that think that you know um the American. people or humanity might not be able to. handle it quite there's this like. >> protective complex but then also too I. think when you are talking about these. things. for a lot of people I think that it kind. of can rock your world a little bit in. regards to where you stand in a faith. perspective and then also too um an. aspect of well how do would even begin.

to explain it. And all I'm going to say. is, look, um, and we can go into some of. the books that were removed from what we. know as the modern day Bible. But I read. through the book of Enoch multiple. times, and I'm not saying that these. things are angels. Okay? That's that's. not at all what I'm saying. But what I. am saying is that. depending on where you are in regards to. your whole perspective on whether or not. God exists, like I believe in God, I'm a. Christian. Um, there has to have been.

and there's admissions that there was. other. creations that God made, but that we. were the most prized creation. And so I. think that this can open up a bigger. topic of discussion. What I will say is. that what's been interesting is, and. I've had a mass array of people that. have come in, right? Like we have people. that come in that claim that you can use. this ability to basically dog whistle. these things in from a like a psychic. ability. >> Yeah, I've heard people say that. And I. think that there's some something there.

Otherwise, they wouldn't necessarily be. able to provide some of the video. evidence that they have, but then that. also brings up the question of if these. things are interdimensional, which we've. had witnesses testify to to members of. Congress and that was all publicly out. there. Um, that would then bring up the. whole, well, if this is really. transcending dimension, the power of. what you say, thought, all of that. And. then you know you can look into our own. government's declassified documents that. the CIA had on different experiments. I.

mean you can literally last week I was. going through actually on a Friday night. just put my son down and I was going. through some of the declassified you go. to cia.gov/reading room and you can see. all the declassified documents and so I. believe it was called Stargate and it. was talking about you know the basically. psychological experiments where they. were trying to basically remote view and. all that. Why would our own government. be looking into that if if there wasn't. something there? And so I'm I'm. appreciative to all that information. being publicly out there. But I think. this whole idea and stigma of trying to.

make it sound crazy when people actually. have these questions that needs to stop, which is why the task force is in. existence. And then also too, they need. to release information. >> Um, if I was going to play devil's. advocate, I would say that the. government would look into that to find. out if there's anything there. And that. would probably take a long time if. they're really being careful. So, if I. was going to fund a program, if someone. told me that there's some people in. Russia that can remote view military. sites in America, I'd be like, "Are you. sure?" And like, "Yeah, yeah, there's a. technique involved and we know the. technique. Uh, and we want to fund some.

sort of a study to see if we can do it.". I'm like, "Let's go. What do you need?". Cuz if maybe it's real. >> So, I don't buy that they wouldn't spend. money on it unless it's real. I say they. would spend money on it to find out if. if you're really looking out for. national security, right? you've got 300. plus million people that you're. responsible for. You got to dot your. eyes and cross your tees and like if if. if I'm, you know, if I'm good at my job. and I'm not an egoomaniac, I'm going to.

go maybe there's some [ __ ] I don't know, >> you know? >> Well, there's there's looking into it. and then there's expanding, right? And. so if you look at all those declassified. files, you know, you can pull up and. this is just wild, but there's one where. I was looking through and they had. basically, you know, the Coast Guard had. called in. there was a ship that they. had been given information on that was. running drugs. And so they called in one. of their remote viewers and they're. trying to give coordinates coord uh. coordinates of the ship and actually. like basically locate these things. And. I actually was laughing because I was. reading this off the website and I'm. telling my husband I'm like imagine you.

know you're trying to run drugs and then. all of a sudden you have some like. weirdo at Langley or like in a basement. they're like no d like did you do use. coordinates you know be me up Scotty but. >> yeah I don't know if they write things. down or type them out or what but I. talked to Hal Putoff about it and he. said they used it to to very. specifically find the location of a. downed Russian craft within like a. couple kilometers which is nuts if you. think about the area where this thing. crashed. It's like remote wilderness in. the middle of nowhere. Russia hadn't.

found it yet. >> Apparently, we found it first according. to how put off. It's just because I. haven't done it and because I don't know. that it's real doesn't mean it's not. real. And that's this is a problem with. people. They they don't want to get. duped and they don't want to look. stupid. They want don't want to look. naive. And so they dismiss things. They. dismiss that there there might be. frequencies that you don't tune into all. the time and someone might get really. good at that and they might be able to.

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exhibiting telepathy. you know, this concept again, if you. were to talk about it 20 years ago, people will call you crazy. But, you. know, I think based on what we're seeing. now, based on the fact that our own. governments looked into it, um, based on. the stuff that you were saying, I mean, you can find all this information. publicly available and it's out there. and and I think that there's something. to it. And so, you know, we're seeing. and we've heard this is in. non-classified settings. We've heard. from people that have come forward that. are saying, you know, we're being able. to via meditation. We're essentially.

like downloading information. We can. communicate with these things. Granted, you know, when I'm sitting in my. congressional office and I'm hearing. this, I take it with a grain of salt. because we do get a lot of crazy people. But when you have people that are. highlevel executives, very successful, cleancut, not on drugs, are coming in. and they're telling you this stuff and. then, you know, you're kind of cross. refering cross-referencing it with. various people in intelligence agencies. I just I think that there's something. there and we need to be at least open to. hearing the discussion and the argument. for these things.

>> Oh, for sure. I mean, like I said, if. there's a photo out there, I think you. owe humanity a service. You You're. supposed to release that photograph. There's no reason why a small group of. people in the government should have. photoconclusive evidence that aliens are. real. >> And there's a and there's an. overclassification aspect of this too, right? Like if you're serving in the. military and you're taking a photo on. your personal device or a video on your. personal device, that shouldn't be the. purview of the federal government. in. either which way. I mean, there's been.

now so much stuff. There's granted, there's been a lot of fake stuff put out. there, but the stuff that is legitimate. that we are seeing, the stuff that we. had people testify to in our. congressional hearings, I mean, that's. not a joke. And what's even more. interesting to this is that I was. actually able to talk to David Gush, who. now is actually working with the task. force to kind of chase down a lot of. these leads in regards to some of these. contractors that allegedly have this. tech. Right. So, in talking with him, um, again, not in a skiff, we were able. to actually flush out that prior to him. testifying that he actually received.

very real threats against his life and. his wife, his wife's life. Um, he's a. sound guy. And then shortly after he. testified, this was there's this massive. smear operation that was launched. against him to try to discredit his. testimony. And so, you know, again, going into, well, if this stuff wasn't. real or if he wasn't telling the truth, why would there be this massively. orchestrated effort to, you know, um, completely just disprove what he was. trying to say or to discredit his. actions in his testimony? And so, it is.

kind of coming full circle, right? Going. back to what the task force has been. able to find out. I mean, we're. conducting these investigations. simultaneously and we're doing this in. addition to everything that we um to. everything else that we have to do as. members of Congress, right? So, although. I would love to just dedicate my full. time and attention to this, we still. have to balance it out. And so, I've. again had some great investigators who. are working with us on oversight as well. as a lot of cooperation from the. intelligence agencies. And we are going. to be asking for this information to be.

declassified, at least information that. has been showed to us. I think the first. break in the wall was that 2017 New York. Times report where they were talking. about it in logical sensible language. that these things might be from another. world. But I think that movie that. you're discussing which is the age of. disclosure, right? >> Yeah, I haven't seen it. Have you seen. it? >> It's very good. Yeah, it's very good. It's very good. And it doesn't even have. any like UFO footage. I mean, maybe like. a little bit, but. >> it's just testimony. >> It's just testimony. And at the end of.

it, you kind of draw this conclusion. like, "Oh, this makes sense." Like this. What they're essentially saying is one. of the problems is if they have been. funding these secret programs, then for. all these years they've been. misappropriating money. >> Oh yeah. And they've been lying to. Congress. And that's super illegal. >> Very illegal. But you know, illegal. Is. Congress going to do anything about it? Because it's not the first time. Like we. have the abil and this is the most. frustrating thing. So, as a this is my. second term in Congress now, but as a. first term member of Congress, you know,

when you Joe, when you get elected to. Congress, you would think that they. would bring you in and they'd say, "Okay, this is how you do the. legislation." No, you get elected, you. show up to kind of a crash course for. about like a week and a half on, you. know, how to not get in trouble with. ethics. And then you're basically wind. and dine by lobbyists. They don't. actually tell you how to do the. legislation. Basically, the only rules. that you're told are never vote down a. rule, which is a procedural motion to. bring legislation to the floor, and. don't really ever vote against your. party. of which within the first week I. broke both rules and so I was on the. naughty list uh per usual. But the thing.

is that. >> they tell you how to do it. That's kind. of crazy. >> Well, they tell you basically those are. the two rule two rules and and don't go. against that and you won't have any. issues. >> Those are big ass rules though. >> Yeah. Cuz it's like you know you're. supposed to represent your constituency. So if you have people calling your. office saying don't you vote for this. and then you vote against it. It's like. people forget that you're supposed to. represent right representative instead. of just do what the party wants. But you. know there is there are mechanisms that. have existed since Thomas Jefferson who. wrote our damn rule manual that enable.

us to actually pass legislation and. actually hold agencies and people. accountable from a punitive perspective. And um I don't know if you were tracking. but like I brought a vote on the former. attorney attorney general for basically. refusing to testify to Congress and. respond to a subpoena. And that was. called inherent contempt. And a lot of. congress was like what the hell is. inherent contempt? It hadn't been done. since the early 1900s and I actually. read it in the rule manual and I read. the rule manual twice. So it's like so. crazy what happens when you read books. but we were able to find this out and it.

was a mechanism that Congress can use to. actually basically send the. sergeant-at-arms to go arrest people. >> Gez. Okay. So, one of the things that this documentary. was calling for that I think is the only. logical way to solve this is a mass. amnesty for these people that. misappropriated money and. >> or whistleblowers. >> or whistleblowers. The the. whistleblowers thing is crazy. Like they. leave them alone. Like come on. Of. course, everybody should [ __ ] know. this stuff, guys. The real crime is you.

keeping this secret from humanity. That's the real crime. Okay? The other. stuff is horseshit. It's just. interpretations of what you're writing. down on paper. You're making up rules. But if you ask the general public how. they feel this should go. A rational. normal person would say there's no. [ __ ] way the defense contractor. should be the only people who know that. we're not alone. [ __ ] you. >> Especially when we're facing a massive. deficit and you see that there like the. Pentagon hasn't been able to pass the.

audit and I don't know how much. >> Yeah. All that stuff is great. Just for. humanity. Just for humanity. That is a giant piece. of information that no one should have. No one should secretly keep information. that would change our entire perspective. on our existence. >> It's it's um definitely wrong that it's. happening for sure. What I will tell you. though is the issue that we have with. bringing forward legislation that would. give mass amnesty and pardon to these.

people is that there are people within. the intelligence community and within. Congress on both sides that will try to. if you come forward with this and I'll. tell you a very prime example of this in. a moment that they will block it. They. don't want it to pass. They will stop it. from even coming to the floor. They. won't bring legislation that will. address it because they want to keep. this information secret. So rep uh. Representative Tim Burchett before. >> why do they want to keep the information. secret? >> Because I think that their mouthpieces. in control of the deep state and that. that's a thing and it exists on both.

sides. Okay. >> So someone will come to them with. marching point marching orders. >> 100%. Uh, Representative Tim Burchett. before I got elected was kind of on his. own little island in regards to the UAP. stuff and he will himself tell you that, you know, this is 100% like a thing and. that these defense contractors and what. he believes, you know, the Pentagon not. passing off all this, these black budget. programs, I mean, like he will tell you, he's again been leading out this effort. way before I got there. um he had a. piece of legislation that was supposed. to enable the FAA to report and develop.

a different reporting uh different. reporting procedure for UAP stuff. And. at the time the chairman of Intel. ensured that that legislation was not. brought forward, that it was stopped. The piece of legislation that actually. passed out of the Senate, it really had. no teeth to it. And then Representative. Burchett drew a primary challenger that. was being backed by the chairman of. Intel. And so you know when you are. touching these c it's like you know that. meme where you have that stork that's. like don't touch this and then the. little foot comes out. Yeah. >> It's kind of like what we're doing and.

it's not exactly easy because you will. take heat from both sides. But there has. a bit uh been a good group that's been. assembled that's biccameal meaning it's. both in the House and the Senate and. bipartisan meaning both Democrats and. Republicans are saying like hey this. should actually happen. >> Are they publicly talking about not. releasing the information or is all this. stuff done in secrecy? It's done behind. the scenes. >> because if they had to do it publicly, if they had to announce their position. on it publicly, it would be very. damaging, I think, to anybody's.

political career on the right or the. left, >> people would be pissed, right? >> Well, they're pissed because I'm pissed. because if. if they've had it for this long, I mean, if they really did recover something as. early as 1947, excuse me. Well, what I can tell you is um for us. specifically, we actually were made. aware some people had come forward that. said that they they wanted to brief. So. about two years ago when all this kicked. off, we had requested briefings from. Arrow that's in charge of kind of.

compiling the investigative aspect of. EAP stuff. And by the way, from the. get-go, I like even in talking to Arrow, I was like, "This organization is. literally a BS organization. They're. never going to tell us anything." And. every interaction that we had in the. skiff, I was like, "This is a nothing. burger." But then these people came. forward and said that they were actually. denied. They were told to not brief our. group specifically on this topic and. that it was from at the time members of. House leadership, but they wouldn't say. who. And so I actually went with another. member of Congress and confronted. multiple people and they all denied.

denying us access. So it's done behind. the scenes. You'll see these random. little troll blockages that might pop. up. But what I can tell you is that with. the new administration, specifically. with the FBI, specifically with OD and. II, we have gotten transparency to where. previously we would have been. stonewalled. We were actually um given. briefings. And so what I will tell you. is we are going to push for the. information that we saw to be out there. for the American people to see. So do. you think that the whole idea of. disclosure is maybe a multiplestep very.

agonizing frustratingly slow process. rather than a big dump of all the. information that they've had from. Roswell to the the Aztec one to there's. apparently there's a a whole slew I. don't know if it's Aztec I forgot the. name of it but there was another during. that same time period there was a a. really prominent UFO uh recovery. thing that was not as publicized as the.

one in Roswell. The big mistake with the. Roswell one was the newspaper printed. it. >> And so then they had to backtrack and. then they had to do the press conference. where they had like some scattered. pieces of a weather balloon that didn't. look anything like a UFO. It was nothing. >> Yeah. But meanwhile, they flew the. wreckage to Wright Field. They flew the. the wreckage and Truman met them there. supposedly. Well, I can tell you in our. hearing, we actually notified and you. can pull this up. Um, we were I think it. was uh one of the witnesses had talked.

about what had happened at Vandenberg. Air Base where there was this thing that. appeared over the base. It actually had. multiple blotters reporting on it from. phone calls into law enforcement from. like hundreds of people and whatever had. appeared over the base was basically. bigger than a football field and. basically a cube, a red cube with some. weird thing in the center of it. Um, I. actually had our witness draw this out. this guy is sober as a priest. I mean, was a great pilot and he's talking about. all this. And so, you know, you talk. about this, it seems like a sci-fi. movie, but based on the evidence that.

we've seen, I don't have any reason to. believe that these people are lying. Based on the evidence that I've seen. from our own government, I think that. there's something there that the. American people deserve to have access. to. And so, I've been, this is not just. on this topic, but again, in other. topics as well. This has been my. perspective is transparency is what. builds trust. Other governments have. revealed certain information on it. To. think that we are the only, you know, life form. on this planet in this galaxy, I think. is a little bit crazy given, you know, the fact that I also think God exists.

and that there's other creations. But. then again, you get into this aspect of, you know, why is it that you also have. this aspect of, you know, a certain. religion that has been very controlled. and I think ruled out in a certain. aspect. And you know, when you have. certain books that are removed because. they don't think that people should have. access to this information or know it, you know, why remove a book from a. Bible, right? >> Was did Wes Huff did did he touch on. that? Did he talk about that? Are there people. that don't believe the book of Enoch was.

really a part of the Bible? >> I don't remember how I don't remember. how he discussed the missing books. >> Yeah, >> I think we brought it up, but I don't. remember how. >> That's the guy to talk to. >> Yeah. So what from my. >> that's I got to talk to you about you. know what I mean because you have to. really understand the history of the. Bible to to be able to figure out what. you like what's legitimate, what's not, why they put it into the New Testament. I had some very erroneous ideas about it. until I talked to intelligent people. that really really know the history of. it and it's it's very strange stuff. >> Well, so from from what I gather and by.

by the way I'm not a theologian in any. capacity, but just from my personal. opinion on this. So you have the. Ethiopian Orthodox text which has I. think 88 books in the of the Bible um in. total. But in the Ethiopian Orthodox. text, it's basically kind of like a a. mainline OG version of the Bible. And. then sometime in the 4th century, there. was actually a group that came together. and they removed certain books. And. the story goes uh that Revelations. actually had replaced Enoch. And so it's.

interesting because when you're looking. kind of full circle on, you know, you. hear the stuff that some of these people. are talking about and then you see and. you read the book of Enoch, which is a. wild read, okay? And then you look at. kind of what our modern day description. is of what angels and entities are. versus what Enoch was seeing and. reporting in his language and ability at. that time. I just I think that there's a. lot that brings you to then ask the. question, well, why would they remove. this information if it's truly, you. know, written and and part of the oldest. Bible in the world? Why would they then.

take it out and and water it down? And. I'm not saying that you can't find God. through the New Bible, right? Like. everyone's on their own spiritual. journey and I think everyone can pray. and you can access God. But um I just. find that very interesting. And so what. I will say is that I like to have the. whole kind of um picture in front of me. And so I feel like to fully understand A. through Z, you kind of have to be able. to read it. >> This is an ad for better help. The. internet is a breeding ground for. misinformation. And even a simple search. for ways to get rid of a headache can.

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something? >> The Book of Enoch. >> Yeah. >> Like why did they because Cuz I I know. there was some kind of controversy that. Wes Huff described. I just can't. remember it. >> I don't I just looked through a. transcript real quick. I didn't see you. guys discussing Enoch. We're discussing. Isaiah and then the Dead Sea Scrolls and. stuff like that. I didn't see Enoch. discussion. >> No, it must have been me. privately. talking to him about something another. video that I watched. Um the the the. thing about like what Wes Huff does. >> that's so interesting is like he he he.

really understands like the history of. the text, the language in which they use. the names in which they chose. And when. he breaks it all, one of the things he. told us that was the craziest was that. the book of Isaiah was exactly the same. in the Dead Sea Scrolls as it was a. thousand years later. They found one. that was a thousand years older. >> and it was direct. It was word for word, verbatim. I'm like, that's bananas. A. thousand-year-old story that's exactly. the same written that they didn't know.

there was a version of it a thousand. years ago and then they find it in these. caves. It's nuts. It's really weird. >> I mean, really, really weird stuff. And. the fact that this kid, you know, a. shepherd kid was able to even find these. scrolls that they were set up and, you. know, just has led to that point right. in time where he finds this massive. >> basically admission that the Bible's. real. Um, you can actually look into, you know, uh, there's the New King James. and then you can actually look into the. Catholic Bible as well that also has, they call them apocrypha texts because.

the King James Bible doesn't acknowledge. them, but they're also other books that. are not uh, considered, you know, approved by the King James. So, look, I. was um on my mom's side, I was actually. raised Catholic and then had my. catechism, did all of it, and then on my. dad's side, I was raised Christian and. then later on Messianic Jew. And so, I. feel like I kind of have like a good. cross-section and I've been exposed to a. lot of this growing up. But, um, it's. definitely interesting. And so, look, I. don't tell people like I'm not I'm not. saying that like aliens created mankind. I don't believe that because I at the.

end of the day believe that God is. responsible for our creation. But I do. think that what we've been programmed to. believe in regards to our ability to be. able to use our mind, the spiritual. aspect of us really does exist. And I. think that once you kind of remove. yourself out of this basically rat race. and you can like really reconnect with. that, I think that that's when you kind. of realize, hey, there's a bigger. purpose here in life and like what is. our end objective? And if you're given a. position of influence or position of. power and you're not doing the right. thing for humanity, you're not guiding.

people, then that's something that you. have to answer for. So, I want to make. sure that I'm good with God. >> I hear you. That's a lot. Um, I I think. these stories, especially when you get. to stories like Noah and the ark, and. that these stories exist in basically. every religion, they're real similar. They're real similar. I think all of. these people are trying to document a. truth. >> It's just what is that truth is what. where it gets weird. And when it gets to. like other gods and giants and giants. created man and talks about. Yeah. Oh, I.

know. >> Which is crazy. >> I know. It's It's wild stuff. It's If. it's legitimate, it's wild stuff. And. then do you know anything about the. Ethiopian church that supposedly has the. Ark of the Covenant in it? >> Yeah, I've looked into that. I actually. wanted to and again, >> you're you're in the government. You can. like get something. >> So, I actually wanted to do a codeell to. just but of course like we're focusing. on other things right now. >> Send seals find that [ __ ]. >> I was like I need to pay for this for. myself. So, we're not using taxpayer. dollars, but just go check it out. Um, what's interesting is the CIA allegedly.

located the Ark of the Covenant. I think. the uh. >> remote viewed. >> they remote they remote viewed it. You. can actually find that. You should. actually. >> No, not in Ethiopia, but it was in a. Middle Eastern country. They weren't. able to locate the actual I think the. New York Post did an article on it where. they actually had the handwritten notes. on the Ark of the Covenant location and. they remote viewed it. You should ask. them to pull it up. Yeah, I'm serious. about it. >> Did they go there and see if they. >> I don't know. They did. I don't know. This is like Indiana Jones. Decades old CIA documents on Arc of the. Covenant resurface amid classified group.

text bat. What? >> Wait, like. >> it was a group text argument that caused. this stuff to be. >> check out pull up the New York Post one. because they actually have the. handwritten notes from the remote viewer. that actually um documents it. >> Okay. >> It should be I think it's Yeah, like the. New York Post. >> That's so funny. >> Oh, there you go. Top one. >> This is wild because it actually goes. into descriptions of angels, too. And so. actually if so in Enoch it talks about. well if you if you scroll down now. that's the you can probably click on the.

scribed because it'll show you all the. documents from the actual declassified. file. This is also on ca.com. >> What year was this? >> This happened recently. This was like a. couple months ago that this just kind of. came all out, >> right? But what year was this project? >> Uh 1988. >> five December 1988. >> Wow. >> So scroll down. >> So in 88 they found the arc of the. >> allegedly. Allegedly they remote viewed. it. We don't know if they followed up. Who's president back then? Reagan. >> Go down. >> Bush. >> Bush. >> Senior. Okay. So, scroll down and then you'll.

see that. So, this is like a there. So, they're going through in the notes. You. have to read it, but you can scroll. down. This is kind of. >> So, this is he's like drawing where it. is, >> the remote viewer. So, you have like the. different things that are describing it. And if you keep going, you'll see like a. cherubam. Keep going. >> It's like showing the peak of. >> Wait, wait. Sorry. Go up a little bit. So, that's interesting because if you. look into actual So, there's like a. wheel text. Um, if you look into Enoch's. description of angels and Ezekiel too, I. think that that's kind of a tie, but go. down more. So, but yeah, you have like. the actual here purpose of container.

They should have like a cherubin drawing. somewhere down here. Oh, yeah. I see. So, that would be the seraraphim. Um, so. it's the what. >> the seraraphim. >> how it's opened. >> Yeah. So, basically when they they. describe the ark and so he's going. through describing. So, these are the. hand notes for it. And then it actually. says that it's in a Middle Eastern. country. Uh, the remote viewer describes. the clothing in which individuals are in. the area. I feel like I'm describing. like an Indiana Jones movie, but this is. actually from the CIA. >> This this image, scroll back to where. that What is that thing? Is that the.

corner of the box? >> Oh, the covenant. Yeah, he's describing. if you go up and these are actually the. handwritten notes on what was described. by the remote viewer. And you have to go. through the entire document, but yeah, that's what's described surrounding the. ark. >> Do you know what they asked him to find? >> Well, if Yeah, the ark of the covenant. They ask him to go look for the Ark of. the Covenant. >> It's in if you go higher up in the. documents, it's over there, >> right? But if you ask me to go look for. the Ark of the Covenant, like I know. what I'm looking for, right? >> Well, apparently these people in my head. I draw what I think it's going to like,

show me that they [ __ ] found it, you. know? >> I don't I don't know if they did, but. they. >> I don't know if they did either, but. it's like it's interesting, but it's not. as interesting because you're saying, "Show me the Ark of the Covenant, right?" So, he's drawing what we all saw. in Indiana Jones, >> or can you locate it? What year was. that? That was before Indiana Jones. >> No, it have been under the same time. period. Like. >> when did Indiana Jones come out? >> Uh, what a great. >> the '9s, right? >> I don't know. I'm thinking. >> and like the first two are the best. >> Raise of the Lost Arc was the first one.

That's the one. >> What year was that? >> 1981. >> Okay. So, >> precursor. >> So, that's seven years earlier. Everybody saw that movie a hundred. times. You know what it looks like. You. know what the arc looks like. So if I. tell you go draw me the ark, where's it. at? >> You think. >> all we have is some scribbles on paper. unless they actually went there and. found it. >> Well, what's interesting and I I should. probably ask Radcliffe like Radcliffe, can you tell me this? I never aren't. >> What are you saying, Jamie? >> It says the mission is to access and. describe the target identified by.

coordinate and then there's coordinates. The tasking is to see mission statement. Training target is the Ark of the. Covenant. >> So they did say, "Go find us the Ark of. the Covenant." And then this dude. apparently set it. >> keep uh AOL to a minimum. What is that? >> I don't know. I saw that on the paper. earlier. >> Uh have to be careful with editing. though. This does not seem to be a. problem at this time. Just something to. watch for. Attained excellent site. contact. Okay. >> Definitely interesting.

>> Well, it's weird that they're talking. about it like it's a real talent. Like. some can actually do it. >> Mox mosque domes. >> Yeah. Target is in a container. This. container is in another container. uh. has another container inside of it. The. target is fashioned of wood, gold, and. silver. The target is similar in shape. to AOL. Um so that's that something of. location, right? Is that what it means? >> Area of location. >> Area of Yeah, that's it. Uh coffin and. is decorated with the Saraphim C sketch. This target is located somewhere in the.

Middle East as the language spoken by. individuals present seem to be Arabic. Well, wouldn't you want someone who. could [ __ ]. decipher Arabic to do this? >> We don't know how far it went. And I. definitely have questions, but this. would not be the first time that a. government would have looked for. something, especially because people. theorize that the Ark of the Covenant. had these abilities as a super weapon. >> I know, but I'm saying like the remote. viewer is limited by his ability to. understand the language. Stop. Stop. Scroll back up, please. Yeah, right.

there. So somewhere in the Middle East, visuals of surrounding buildings. indicated that the area that uh the. presence of mosque domes, individuals in. the area were clothed in virtually all. white, had black hair and dark eyes. One. figure I honed on wore a mustache. The. target is hidden underground, dark and. wet were all aspects of the location of. the target. See, the the only problem I. ever have with these things is if these. places are all controlled by terrorists. and it's all, you know, dictators and.

crazy people over there, if they found. out that the ark was there, they would. [ __ ] take it. >> Well, I think there's this aspect of if. you look at from a biblical perspective, no one would be able to access it. anyways because it would be protected, right? That's what the Bible says. >> Um, it says here too, cannot be opened. until the time is deemed correct. >> Oh, Jesus. Once the time to open the container, the. mechanisms of lock systems will be found. to be fairly simple. Individuals opening. the container by prying or striking are.

destroyed by the container's protectors. >> Well, it's interesting is remember in. the Bible always talks about how there. had to be. >> through the use of of a power unknown to. us. >> They melt you. >> Yeah. >> Well, so they had to, you know, go. through the spe special process of being. considered, you know, holy basically to. access it. All that to say that there's. something out there, right? I think that. obviously God's real and this job has. definitely um you know, put me in a. position to where we're able to help get.

other truths out there, if you will. And. >> you need to get the truth of that thing. out there. They need to find out like. director. would change if you found the actual arc. of the covenant. >> and you could explain a lot of things. like look if these Ethiopians have it. which Graham Hancock believes. >> allegedly they do. >> Yeah. Graham Hancock believes that they. do and he said that these guardians they. all get cataracts and they die of like. radiation poisoning. >> I mean there's something to be said.

about the Ethiopian people as a whole. and going back to the Ethiopian Orthodox. text. Actually, when I first launched. this task force, I actually went and I. met with a Ethiopian Orthodox pastor, if. you will, just to kind of see and. explain and ask questions um that I. can't exactly go to, you know, the. Smithsonian and ask. And, you know, his. response was interesting, especially. from their perspective. You know, you. have a lot of this aspect of, I think, religion that tries to be doom and. gloom. And then in the Ethiopian. perspective, he's like, "First of all, your timeline's wrong." And I'm like,

"What do you mean your timeline?" like. well the the biblical text in modern day. Christianity it's it's a little bit off. right so we use a completely separate I. think it's a 364 days out of the year. and he's explaining all of it and he's. like but even then so you know um we. don't have the perspective of you know. we are in the end of days etc but you. know the way his perspective just seemed. very um optimistic as opposed to. pessimistic and and filtering and. controlling information all that. >> he's probably not online. >> he's off X.

>> He's off X. He's off Tik Tok. >> Yeah, he's not subjecting himself. >> The New York Post thing about that says. that the viewer was identified with the. target and didn't know what it was and. it ended up being the Ark of the. Covenant after all that explanation they. found. >> Oh, well that's much different. >> So that whole thing at the end of it was. what they were saying it was when they. wrote it on that report. >> Look at all the It's just a bunch of. words they're putting together and like. got. >> hearing how put off talk about it. They're just. >> Well, that's way more interesting if he.

didn't know what he was looking for and. he found something that looked like the. Ark of the Covenant. That's pretty. crazy. >> They kind of like talk them on, right? They'll like give them something and say. like, "Walk us through.". >> I'm just doing devil's advocate cuz I. have no skin in the game. I don't know. if it's real or not real. I'm open to. it. I think there's something going on. I think there's some more there's more. going on with people than we let on. There's some some extra thing that's. happening with with human beings, the. way we're all connected to each other. that we don't really totally understand. And I think the idea that you can access.

information that's not local, I don't. think that's that weird. I think that. might be an emerging aspect of human. consciousness or an aspect of human. consciousness that's atrophied. >> or just an aspect of spirituality that. we've previously forgotten because we're. in such a digital age that kind of. programs you into the rat race. And I. think people the more that they're kind. of like you know there has to be more to. life than just like a 9 to5. >> and you know working for this aspect of. materialism like don't get me wrong I. like you know a nice car and a clean.

house and all that but you know there's. also this aspect of you know being a. human and like you know if you have kids. I think that's like one of the things. like I have you have a daughter I have. um a son and it's like when you're a. parent it kind of like makes you realize. like wow there's this aspect of like. love that I didn't know existed before. and you can kind of really be there and. help you know grow this next human and. influence that person and it just kind. of the human experience is something. that you know you can make it as special. as you want and this aspect of you know. us being able to have those little. quantum breadcrumbs is what I like to.

call them like have you ever have you. ever been like talking about something. and like you'll go somewhere hear. something and there's like confirmation. of what you've been talking about or you. know something happens and you're like. you know asking a question then all of a. sudden it pops up kind of there's an. answer and I think that those little. things just mean you're on the right. path and doing what you're supposed to. do in this bigger Sure. >> Yeah. Well, that's a good way to live. life if you believe that. It's healthy. It's smart. It's like a good strategy. I. wonder like why some people seem to have. like the idea of if it being an emerging.

aspect of human consciousness, our. ability to like sense things and know. things that are going to happen or. premonition or or know if someone's a. liar or a weirdo like instantly. >> those I always wonder if. I is it that or is it that we used to. have that like before language that's. all we that. >> I think that before tech really evolved. there was a bigger aspect of. spirituality that actually talks about.

that. So like discernment in the Bible. you can talk about you know this aspect. of being people say like oh if someone. has like really bad energy you picking. up on it. There's something to that. Um. but I think that because and it's really. happened I think in the last like 40. years where people are kind of. forgetting that but when you actually go. back to like for example we're talking. just now about the ark of the covenant. the Ethiopian orthodox text and all this. there's more of that aspect of. spirituality that I think's been removed. from society. I think it's actually. taken away our ability to really respect.

one another and and value human life. And I think that that, you know, from. like a political perspective influences. decision like you get really pro-war. people. Those people are usually not. that spiritual and they really don't. have a value for life in that aspect. >> Yeah. No, that's definitely a real. thing. That's unfortunate that there's a. >> and the fact that those are the type of. people that always want to be in power. That's really scary. That's that's. probably the scariest part of it. >> I have um I actually had a really ground.

bake a groundbreaking conversation. So. like I the way I'll describe Congress is. you ever have like a job where 80% of it. 90% of it's just like really eating [ __ ]. >> and then like the 10%'s like really cool. >> and it makes up for that like 80 90%. that you're just like I. >> that's when I hosted Fear Factor. >> Okay. So yeah, that aspect of um I think. really exists in politics if you like. actually care. >> And I had a meeting recently where I was. with two other members of Congress that. were helping me with the JFK.

investigation. And we actually met for. the first time since 1990 with the. ambassador to the Russian government. And I bring that up because at the time. of the JFK assassination, the U. KGB had. actually come forward with their own. independent investigation and they. actually gave it at Kennedy's funeral to. US officials. We never got those. documents and it's my belief that the. CIA actually destroyed that information. and evidence because it would have. confirmed what this the KGB and mind you. at the time JFK was actually in talks.

with the president of Russia at that. time and his perspective is that he. actually wanted to do a joint mission. between the US government and the. Russian government to the moon and there. were aspects and divisions within the. intelligence community. You obviously. saw the cold war was happening. They. wanted war in Cuba. They wanted war with. Russia. So for them to be able to say. that Kennedy, who was not a communist, but that he was a communist sympathizer, and how dare he talk to these dirty. communists, I mean, that in itself would. have given them any ammunition to turn a. blind eye or or at least not fully. figure out who assassinated Kennedy. Um,

but I bring that up to say that, you. know, when you have these people in. power, you know, you can see a lot of it. in regards to there's a summit on the. 15th actually with President Trump and. Vladimir Putin. And I think the aspect. of, you know, anytime you have peace and. trade, it's way better than war for. everyone involved, for the people of. Ukraine, for Russia, for the American. people. And I think for the surrounding. regions, like I recently got back from. meeting with government officials in. Romania and Malddova. And it didn't. matter if and I actually met an actual. member of the Malddovven government who.

was a communist, like an outward. communist. And it didn't matter who I. talked to. Everyone wanted peace. And. then when we had met with the European. Parliament and the EU, some of them. wanted peace, but then the countries. that had the shittiest economies, excuse. my language, they were the ones that. were advocating for war. Well, you have. a war- based economy, it always helps. your economy. So, if you have terrible. policy perspectives, obviously you would. advocate for something like that. But it. just goes to show that the people that. are going through it, the people that. are living it, that are directly. impacted it, no one would advocate for.

war. And so in even just having this. conversation, you know, a lot of people. even, you know, two two admin or. administration ago, maybe two. administrations ago, probably would not. have had that conversation. But to be. able to develop that dialogue, the end. result of that meeting was the Russian. government agreed to release their. investigation onto JFK that the previous. congressional task force in the '90s had. tried to obtain from the Russian. government and they said no. So, they. agreed to release that and they'll be. posting it publicly for the American. people to go through later on this fall.

>> Have you seen it yet? >> I haven't. So, I'll be seeing at the. same time everyone else has. >> What do you think is in there if you had. a guess? >> So, when I was talking to the. ambassador, he's actually a history. buff, too. And so, he had actually said. that the Russian government when um. Oswald was actually in Russia had done a. psychological profile because they. thought, you know, they're like, is this. guy part of American intelligence? Like, what's his story? And they thought he. was basically nuts. And apparently he. had he tried to go hunting um when he. was out there and they were observing. him and he couldn't shoot for [ __ ] So.

So they're like, you know, he didn't. meet our psychological profile. Then. then he shows up to the Russian embassy. in Mexico City with a gun and they're. like, "What the hell is this like crazy. guy showing up at them? Like what's. going on?" Um and then we find out. simultaneously as this is all happening. that the CIA kudos to Director Radcliffe. had actually released something called. the Joanites file. And George Donitius. was actually he's basically our version. of James Bond but more corrupt. And he. was basically observing Oswald. He had.

lied to Congress. This was all in his. file. He was then the CIA liaison to. Congress during the investigations. Stonewalled their investigations. Was. later awarded something from the CIA. So. we have the CIA admitting that they lied. to Congress, covered up the. assassination attempt or covered up the. uh investigations. We had admissions. from the Warren Commission um uh people. that had been subject to the Warren. Commission's investigation saying that. the Warren Commission engaged in witness. intimidation. They omitted evidence. The. single bullet theory never exists. The.

CIA admits that Lee Harvey Oswald was. not a lone gunman. People ask, well, you. know, does this mean that you'll ever. get the name of who killed him? No, because I don't think the CIA was like, "Kill JFK on this day and use this gun. and have this person assigned." But. there was evidence of multiple shooters. for sure. Well, there had to be multiple. shooters. There's there's injuries. Like. one of them was to the front of his. neck. >> We had testimony to that. >> Yeah. >> And actually, uh, what's interesting is. when we first launched the task force, we had left-leaning news outlets that. were trying to write hit pieces saying.

that I was basically launching a. conspiracy theory task force and they. had to print the truth weeks ago. You. can actually. >> What is What is it about people that. don't want to believe that some. conspiracies are real? What what is it a. comfort thing? Is it you think you're. gonna erode trust in the government? Is. it you just have such a rigid worldview. and in your mind that there's always. been Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. That's what happened. And because of.

that, anything that challenges your. belief system you fight against. >> Well, specifically to JFK, for decades, the intelligence agencies were. influencing what the print and press was. doing. >> 100%. until Haraldo Rivera, >> you know, when Dick Gregory brought that. film on the Heraldo Rivera show and you. got to see the Zapruder film and you got. to see what looks like a shot that makes. his head go back and to the left. >> Yeah. >> Which would indicate he got shot from. the front. >> I think he got shot multiple times by. multiple shooters from multiple.

different directions. And I don't think. necessarily Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't in. on it. >> Well, the here's the problem. People. say, "Oh, Lee Harvey Oswald couldn't. shoot." You don't have to be that good. with a rifle to be uh you're you're on a. ledge so you have a secure rest if your. rifle's sighted in. And they said his. scope was off. But that doesn't mean. [ __ ] cuz you could just drop your scope. and it's off. >> Like all you have to do is take your. rifle off of that ledge, drop it on the. ground, and now that scope is off. You. never drop your gun like that. And if. you do, you can knock your scope off.

>> Well, there's multiple problems though. because the Warren Commission actually. never even put into the report, right? So like if you're. >> Well, let me finish. Let me finish. My. My point is that wasn't a far shot. It. was like what was it 140 yards from the. book depository to with a with a scope. >> and a rifle with a rest. No, you could. kill a guy like that and he could have. been the shooter. He could have been one. of the shooters. >> But I think there's too much witness. testimony. There's too much evidence. There's too The whole idea of the magic.

bullet theory was just because they had. to account for all the wounds in the. bodies with just three bullets. And they. found a guy who got hit in the overpass. uh in the underpass rather. He got hit. with a ricochet. Yeah. So now they knew. that bullet couldn't have hit Kennedy or. Connelly. So how do you attribute all. these wounds to two different guys from. multiple gunshots to a single bullet? >> It's a magic bullet. Don't you know? >> You have to find this bullet that. [ __ ] for sure didn't hit any bones. And there's more fragments in Conny's. wrist than they were missing from the.

bullet. The bullet looks almost. pristine. It looks like they shot it. through like feathers or they shot it. into water, which is what they do when. they do ballistics tests on rifles. >> Well, what's interesting is is the. Warren Commission did omit multiple. female witnesses who were actually at. the book depository that day that. actually stated that they had never um. witnessed Oswald actually in the. location or going down the back of the. book depository. So, >> could Yeah, it's possible that he could. have snuck past them. There was a lot of. chaos. You hear gunshots, the president.

shot. People don't always think straight. when things are going nutty. People have. a terrible memory right after traumatic. events. Yeah. Like yes and no. Like he. might have been there or he might not. have been there. He might have shot at. Kennedy or he might not have Kennedy. But for sure he was some sort of. government operative. For sure he was. traveling back and forth from Russia. He. married a Russian citizen. There was a. lot of weird [ __ ]. >> He was under surveillance by the CIA. So. there's a lot there. However, I will say. this. What the official narrative was,

we now know is BS, right? >> That I thought from the beginning. >> Yeah. But a lot of the American people. did, but to have their own government. say no, that's not true. To gaslight. them and to push this narrative of if. you question it, you're wrong. You're. crazy. That in itself, I think when. you're talking about like why do the. American people not trust their. government, it's really this fracture. that starts around the Kennedy era and. time frame. And you can see then that. distrust kind of evolves. But why do. going back to your original question, why do people refuse to kind of question. conspiracy theory? Maybe there's some.

substance to it. And I think it's. because it's more comfortable for people. from a psychological perspective to live. in this comfort area that their. government might not do something like. that, right? >> Or might not try to cover up something. like that because that's just an easy. way of life. But look, >> it's too scary. >> It's too scary. But the fact is is that. look, I've traveled a lot. I've dealt. with a lot of world leaders. We are. still the greatest country in the world. Make make no excuse about that. But it. doesn't mean that we can't call out and. hold our own government and officials. accountable. And so that's kind of what. I've guess my mission has been this.

Congress and and what I hope that it. will continue to be. But I'm not trying. to do this for like even the next 10. years. So for someone like me, you know, people are like, "Oh, initially you're. going to ruin your political career. talking about this. This is crazy. Why. would you even want to do that?" And. then, you know, they're seeing all these. big wins coming out in regards to. transparency. And I will say had it not. been for the uh secretaries that have. been appointed by this administration, this wouldn't have happened because in. under uh President Biden, he actually. also tried to declassify things. pertaining to JFK and the National.

Archives never released it. And so in. addition to. >> that's not a good sign. None of that. stuff's a good sign. Like if you want. trust from the American people, you. release information. If you want us to. distrust you, you hide everything. and. you're hiding everything on one of the. most important events in human history. >> They were up until recently and we're. still documents that uh the JFK. community because mind you I'm actually. working with his name's um Jefferson. Morley. He is not a Republican. He's a. Bernie Sanders uh Democrat but on this. issue we're working great together and.

he's actually been helping me and he's. like look I've been waiting for this. stuff for like 30 years. >> This is a hugely bipartisan. >> Yeah, it's super bipartisan. >> This is something we can all get. together. dad and UFOs. What's the one. thing Democrats and Republicans both. completely agree on? Like, tell us. what's up. >> Tell us what's up. Who killed them? And. are they real? That's those are two. giant questions that we all have. >> I think they're real. Uh the other part. is still outstanding, but hopefully when. the documents are released from the. Russian government later on this fall, that might be able to provide a full.

picture. Granted, I'm going to take it. with a grain of salt because it's still, you know, it was written by the KGB. Um, but at the end of the day, we have a. good mosaic that's been put together. with at least the documents that have. been released with this administration. And for any outstanding documents, I. actually have a team assigned to me from. the CIA that is actually helping me. chase down these documents. And I've. already had some interesting. experiences, like not creepy, but um, for example, after President Trump. signed the executive order and Radcliffe. has been super helpful, we actually um. were made aware of this. allegedly uh. this there had been a document that was.

at the CIA that um was a report from the. inspector general that had implicated. the CIA allegedly in the assassination. of JFK. So I'm following up on this lead. and trying to find this report and the. archives is like we don't have any. documentation of this. The CIA says they. don't have any documentation and they've. been good with us so far. So, I go to. the archives cuz they're like, "We found. this weird bag, though." And it's in the. skiff and it's been here for 5 years and. it was left by our former attorney for. the archives and so we don't know what's. in it. And I was like, "Well, go open. it." They're like, "Well, we don't have.

the key and it's in a vault." And I. said, "Well, I'm coming over." So, I. drive over literally I like put my son. in the car. I get in the car and I go. over to the National Archives. We go. into the skiff. I pull out this bag and. I'm like, "Does anyone have scissors?". And we like cut open this little folder. And um there was a CD romant. And this. is again been declassified now. so I can. talk about it, but there was this CDROM. of a ton of wires from the State. Department. Um, some of the wires were. pertaining to the Kennedy family and it. was actually a Wikileaks document. And. so I think the reason why it was kept at.

the archives is because you're not. actually supposed to have these. documents on government computers. Wikileaks, you know, happened with that. Um, but here I was like cutting it out. of a bag. >> That's crazy. National. >> archives. That makes sense that you. would have the most top secret documents. burned on CDROMs. That way, no one could. ever get access to it by hacking into. your computer. >> To this day, I don't know even who left. the CDROM. I don't know. And there was. some other stuff in that that I I don't. need to get into. But, um, >> why don't you need to get into it? >> Cuz I don't want to get in trouble. Uh,

but the stuff that was on there was. interesting. And I think I saw um. recently Tulsi had actually talked about. some of the State Department wires that. had been found um that and I think these. are the same ones that had talked about. the assassination of RFK. They were. wires going out from the State. Department prior to his assassination, which is interesting. So our next. investigation, so we've done multiple. >> What do you What do you mean by that? Like what were how did they specifically. discuss it? Well, that's I haven't seen. the actual wires themselves yet, but. what that would imply is that the State.

Department knew about the assassination. before it took place. >> Oh, geez. >> So, and that was something she talked. about. >> Did you get into the MK Ultra stuff at. all with Jolly West? And. >> so, I look at that on my free time, but. that's not the purview of the task. force, but there is stuff that you can. again ci.goving room. Super creepy. I. did find a document on the archives. website that actually ties the initial. phases of the MK Ultra program to. Operation Paperclip. >> Oh boy. >> Interesting. And so. >> that makes sense, right?

>> It is there. And I'm I'm I'm reading. this to my husband. >> because for sure the Nazis were. experimenting on drugs with people. >> They were doing a lot of bad stuff. >> Oh, they were doing a lot of horrible. stuff. But for sure they were. experimenting on their soldiers and on. prisoners and they were experimenting on. all kinds of people. >> Creepy stuff. >> Yeah. And if we took some of that and. applied it that the Jack Ruby connection. to it is that Jolly West went to visit. Jack Ruby after he shot Lee Harvey. Oswald and Jack Ruby was like pretty. rational before then and then after.

Jolly West leaves he's like freaking out. seeing things that aren't there. Uh, I. think he said something about Jews burn. He could see Jews burning alive, >> like a psychosis state. >> Full on lost it. >> Most likely got dosed the [ __ ] with. acid. Most likely Jolly West just hit. him with a [ __ ] giant. >> That's a terrible way to go. >> Shot glass of acid. It doesn't like he. went so far off the deep end. Then he. died later. I think he died a few years.

later of cancer. But I think he. completely lost his mind after Jolly. West visited him. And Jolly West was he. was involved with the Manson family. thing. He was involved with Operation. Midnight Climax where they they had. brothel. The CIA was running brothel and. they would get these John's to come in. with the prostitutes and the prostitutes. would give them acid and they didn't. know it. And so they were sitting there. and there was two-way mirrors and they. were filming them. Why? These guys were. like, "Well, for blackmail, for.

observation, they they knew these people. were never going to say, "Hey, you did. that to me." You know, the look what the. government did dosed me up with acid. because they're not going to admit they. went to a brothel. Well, >> so you have like the perfect group of. people to victimize and just try stuff. on. >> Well, and they got in trouble for it, too. Like the CIA had to do payouts. They were getting sued for it. And then. when all this did flush out, I mean, you. know, it's always I feel like. >> Well, the Freedom of Information Act was. the only and and then they found a bunch. of documents. They found documents that. were I forget who found I forget Tom. O'Neal who wrote the book Chaos goes.

into great detail about this all about. the Manson family and MK Ultra. It's a. fantastic book. >> Well, even just this conversation right. now, there's such a stigma that exists. around it because it's such a spooky. topic. Yes. >> And so it's like you don't want to look. stupid. >> You don't want to look stupid. And so. look, anyone watching this can go look. at this information. Go to. cia.gov/reading / reading room and no. it's not going to like be a fishing. website that's going to steal your. information but like you can find. >> for sure it is. >> this guy is like where are we accessing. >> but um you know it's it's always been.

one of those things and that you know if. people ask me I'm just very transparent. about it and I will say something that. started out with a stigma of being you. know this conspiracy theory. investigation wasting taxpayer dollars. has been arguably one of the coolest. task force in Congress I think and we. have a lot of good people that are. behind it and. >> I think the tide is turning on that kind. of thinking that these conspiracy. theories are silly to pursue. Like some. of them, yeah, some of them are silly. >> Some are crazy, but some are crazy, but. but that doesn't mean that some are.

true. Also, there's a timehonored tactic. of taking look, if I was an intelligence. community, and I'm not accusing anybody. of doing this, but if I was an. intelligence community and I had some. truth that was very inconvenient to a. narrative and I wanted to label that. truth as being a preposterous conspiracy. theory, I'd add a bunch of kooky [ __ ] to. it. >> or have disinformation campaigns. >> or dole it out to the nuttiest people on. the internet. Dole it out to the. craziest people. You know, this guy's.

got a drinking problem and he's got a. conspiracy theory website. >> or take a little and spin it. >> Him. Yeah. Get it to him and tell him. you're helping him out. You're gonna. give him some insider information. Get. him to spread a bunch of cookie stuff so. that when that stuff gets disproven, the. other things attached to it so the other. thing looks stupid, too. >> And that's what I would do. >> Yeah. We've had our Phil like the one. thing I I wanted to do when I first got. the task force is open up a skiff to any. person who held a clearance to come. brief us on what they knew about UAPs. And I can tell you that we've now had. this. >> the first conversation like when the.

door shuts and you're like, "Oh boy, I'm. >> The problem is the problem is is I've. reached out to some of the biggest names. in UFO lore." Okay. And they all got. skiff flu. And we call it skiff flu, meaning like the day that the skiff was. open that we reserved it, we're like, "We're here. Like, come on, come brief. us." They get sick or they recover and. come back. >> They didn't recover and then they just. don't talk to us anymore. So. >> they ghost you. >> They ghost us. Yeah. So I'm like, "Well, if you're not going to tell me to skip, then you're full of full of crap." or. you're scared for your life because. you're just a scientist who doesn't. maybe they got threatened. Maybe someone.

let them know that maybe someone hung. something on their door in the middle of. the night. >> But if people say they're going to go. tell us in a skiff and then they don't. show up, it's a problem, right? So. they've already gone public. >> But uh but but maybe those people don't. feel like the government's going to. protect them. >> That that is one of the biggest things. that we've had people bring up is that. you're a whistleblower, but. whistleblower protections only go so far. and you can't do anything for my. physical safety. and some of them do. allege that there's these actual. physical concerns. We actually had. someone that we wanted to bring in to. testify because our next hearing on UAP.

is going to be I believe it's next. month. And um the individual that was. actually told us by David Grush is. actually a former combat controller. And. so my husband, Air Force special. operator, combat control, but so we knew. the guy via some friends. So we knew. that the guy wasn't nuts or crazy and. reached out to him and he did not want. to come in. He wanted nothing to do with. it. Was like I'm not touching this. And. so, you know, that stuff like that. happens. Um, >> well, also you put those folks on TV, right? >> Well, we don't have to. We can do. private, but if we testify,

>> if Yeah. If they if it comes time where. they have to testify, and there's a lot. of time in between people finding out. that this guy came and told you guys. what's up to testify. >> Don't freak out our witnesses, John. >> But that's the problem. This is why what. I was talking about is which what's. being advocated in the documentary that. to me makes perfect sense is mass. amnesty. Now, here's the bad part. for. sure. You're dealing with enormous sums of. money and I'm sure people got really. rich off of that and I'm sure it's super. illegal if it's real if. >> the back engineering Yeah.

>> potential. >> Yeah. I mean, and also the competitive. competitive advantage you would give. company A if this company gets access to. a down craft that can traverse space and. time that can move through the universe. instantaneously that utilizes an unknown. element that has some unknown process of. defying gravity. It it's utilizing no. interior mechanisms of control. Everything is done with the mind of the. pilot. If this is the truth, if this is.

what they're saying and this is these. are the kind of things they find. >> that getting to a contractor would be a. massive advantage over the other. contractor that also should be on equal. standing with the government, right? They both make jets, they both make. whatever it is. >> So it's like what do you do? Do you. divvy up your spaceships in between. these folks? Like are they the only ones. who get to know it? And then where how. do private contacttor contractors how. are they the gatekeepers of the most. important information in the world if.

it's true? >> Well, so and that brings us to what. happened at Eglund Air Force Base. So in. a nutshell, we had been told by so. representative Gates had come forward. and said that he had two two or three. pilots said that had contact him saying. that the Air Force was covering up. information regarding to UAP activity um. in the panel handle and he wanted us to. go with him to investigate. So we show. up at Eglund Air Force Base. We're met. by the base commander previous even. showing up on this congressional. delegation to investigate. The Pentagon. had tried to cancel the meeting and you.

can't. So this was under the last. administration. So you can't just cancel. a meeting and say you can't come to the. base. That doesn't work. So Gates. actually was on House Armed Services at. the time that oversees the US military. And so Gates got the chairman involved, calls back on to the Pentagon, gets this. meeting on the books and said, you know, we told them specifically, we want to. see information on UAPs. We want to see. the evidence and we want to have the. pilots that saw these aircraft, whatever. they are, or these spacecraft. We want. to have briefings from them. Um, in a.

nutshell, we get to Eglund Air Force. Base. They keep BS us or BSing us about. the Chinese spy balloon. That's not what. we were there to see. And ultimately we. were in the skiff. We got into a verbal. disagreement with the base commander at. the time who was denying us access to. the pilots and to the information and. said that we didn't have the. authorization. Um in the skiff there was. many members of the intelligence. community. We then go back upstairs to. the conference room and proceed to again.

basically have it out with this. commander and representative Burchett. said you know we could do this the easy. way or the hard way. You choose. >> a movie. >> kind of but it at the time I. >> like it when people use a movie. >> Yeah. The easiest way or the hard way. >> and if it's the hard way you're gonna. have, you know, Representative Gates and. Luna in DC questioning you. So I suggest. you do it the easy way. So he actually. in the middle of the meeting um you know. we were kind of holding his feet to the. fire on it. He like kind of got nervous. as we were talking to him and he I kid.

you not, he goes, "You know, they're. going to like that I'm not going to let. you." He like kind of was like thinking. out loud but didn't realize that he was. basically saying it. And then in the. middle of our meeting, he gets up and. leaves the room. Like I have to go to. the restroom or something. And then. maybe like 5 minutes later, this tech. sergeant comes in and says, "Oh, the. base commander's been authorized to go. on leave to Georgia. He won't be coming. back." And I'm sitting there looking at. Gates and Burge. I'm like, he just left. like in the middle of a congressional. delegation. Like that's never happened.

>> If you said out loud, they would be. happy that I'm not telling you. >> Yeah. like B like verbally articulated. it. Gates was there. My husband was. there. Burch was there. >> It's just like if that guy's. >> he's in a powerless situation, right? If. he does give you access, >> he's going to get in trouble. >> He's in he might be really in trouble, you know, like. >> but here's the problem. He can't who. even if it was someone at the sec like. the Secretary of Defense, right? Because. at the time this got pretty high level.

>> I'm not saying it's not legal. >> Yeah. He still at the end of the day. you're in the military. How our. government functions is the military. does not decide what the civilian sector. and what representatives can and cannot. see. It's not supposed to function like. that. So he got up and left. Like I've. never seen this happen. I was in the. military. I've never seen like in the. middle of a congressional de delegation. These are big deals. You just get up and. go and leave to Georgia and you just. don't come back like in the middle of. the meeting. It never happens.

>> Where what state were you in the time? >> We're in Florida. He just like get up. and like drove to Georgia like what the. hell are you doing in Georgia in the. middle of a congressional delegation. >> I'm going fishing. >> See you. And then his second his second. in command comes in and they managed to. get one pilot to come down and brief us. And what I will tell you is I will say. it, Representative Gates has gone on. record. He actually did as soon as he. left office that we've seen stuff that I. don't believe was created by mankind. So, you can't tell us what you saw, but.

>> I'm going to let you infer. >> Infer? Um, see that this is the problem. that I have with all this stuff. >> is you should be able to I should be. able to tell you without losing my. clearance. >> Well, not just that. That people that. have that information should give that. information to the general public. >> Correct. >> And stop treating us like you're smarter. than us and that you can handle it and. we can't. That's silly. >> Which is why we have to declassify. Which is why. >> you know the how put off stuff. >> No. It's okay. How put off during the. Bush administration was assigned he was.

one of many scientists and this is also. in the age of disclosure. He was one of. many scientists that was assigned to put. a numerical value to pros and cons of. UFO disclosure. So they said to him, "We. have uh a crashed UFO that we have been. back engineering and we want to release. information to society to let people. know that UFOs are real. >> and that there is something else out. there that's not us that's much more. intelligent than we are.". >> So they have this list of pros and cons.

banking, religion, societal structure, you know, everything, everything on one. side. And then the pros, like, you know, whatever the positive aspects of it. would be. And every single scientist. said that the cons outweigh the pros. And he said, I would have loved to have. had disclosure, but this was just what. they asked me to do. They asked me to. compile numbers and to do it in a way. that's super objective. And he said, "Look, if I'm doing my job, this is.

where I think it would completely wreck. our government. Completely wreck any. idea that the people that are in charge. of us have any position of authority. when there's something that can go. hundred million times faster than we. think is physically possible through the. universe, appear out of nowhere, stop. all of our nuclear programs, shut down. bases, do weird shit." But don't you. think that that's where kind of it's. been interesting because society has. moved away from this aspect of like.

having a spiritual grounding and even. believing and like you know most people. today I think when you talk about like. praying um even that whole concept it's. kind of just like oh you know they're. just and I feel like that thing's kind. of pooed but if you have like a. grounding in that and going back to what. I was saying earlier I think that that's. not like I I don't think that society. would do that. Granted I'm not a. scientist. I'm not running numbers, but. just based on how we've kind of been. evolving with access to information and. kind of the questions, the discussions. that have been happening, not just here,

but I think internationally, I just. think a lot's changing now. To say that. we were, you know, and I've heard some. wild theories like people think that, you know, humanity was seated by UFOs. and that's I I don't I don't agree with. that theory. Um, I'm going to address. it. >> It's a fun one. >> It's an interesting theory. >> If you found out it was true, would you. tell everybody? I mean, I'd be. transparent about it, but I just like. don't personally believe it. >> But would you believe it if you found. out that was the information. >> that the government had had. >> Well, I put it out there because that's. what.

>> Right. But what would that do for your. belief system? >> Suck. >> But would it suck really maybe that's. what's confusing about the Bible. Maybe. what's confusing is that it was an oral. tradition for hundreds if not a thousand. years before it was ever written down. Right. Well, I think that if it depends on what. book you're talking about, right? So, >> I mean, the Old Testament, if you go. back to the the oldest works of the. Bible, weren't most of those stories. handed down generation after generation. and then eventually written down, >> written into texts. Well, some of them.

are written by prophets and then, but I. mean, Enoch is apparently supposed to. predate even the time of Genesis and. talk. >> Well, the nuttiest one is Ezekiel. >> I I you I'm telling you, Enoch is even. crazier than Ezekiel. Oh, I've read I. just don't Did you find anything about. whether or not Enoch is controversial? >> You can look up look up the fourth. century. It was discluded as I guess. since the fifth century. It wasn't in. canon. >> Fifth century. >> And why why did it get discluded? >> It says the Jewish scribes or the. priests didn't believe the rabbis didn't.

believe it was uh canon. >> Huh. >> So, it's considered it's regarded as. scripture. But what's interesting is is. that even if that's the case though, you. have the Ethan Orthodox Church that. actually there's Ethiopian Jews and. that's considered the most pure form of. the Bible. So like you actually have a. division of like the Ethiopian Jewish. class that actually recognized Enoch. >> How weird is it that some rabbis 500. years ago made a call? >> But that's what I'm saying is like you. can't you can't though it.

>> that's kind of weird. But you can't. discredit it because again like when you. have people removing books I just I. think look and I'm not telling people. what to believe. I'm just saying you. should take a look at it. >> Oh here it is. The main reason for the. Jewish rejection of the book is that. it's inconsistent with the teachings of. the Torah from the standpoint of raib. rabbit how do you say that? Rabbitic. >> rabbitic. >> rabbitic Judaism sorry uh the book is. considered to be heretical. Another. reason for the exclusion of the text. might be the textual nature of several.

early sections of the book that make use. of material from the Torah. For example, Enoch is a mid rash of Deuteronomy 33. The context, particularly detailed. descriptions of fallen angels, would. also be reason for rejection from the. Hebrew cannon at this period. As is. illustrated by the comments of Tripfo. the Jew when debating Justin Martyr on. this subject, the utterances of God are. holy, but your expositions are mere.

contrivance contrivances. as is plain from what has been explained. by you. Nay, even blasphemous, for you. assert that angels sinned and revolted. from God. So, it's a it was a a. >> it seems like some people made a. decision that something shouldn't be in. there. >> Yeah. They But that's the thing is it's. a disagreement in religion and. perspective, but they should have still. not removed it. And so, it's interesting. because then you have, you know, the. evolution of what the King James Bible. is. We all know that story. He wanted to.

get remarried. They rewrote it. But you. even have the Catholic Bible that has. it's what happened. And you have the. Catholic Bible that had books that were. taken out. And then we have the King. James. So, I'm not I'm not saying that, you know, if you read the King James, you're not getting um you don't have. access to God. That's not what I'm. saying. But I am saying that there's a. bigger picture here that we need to. discuss. And I. >> Well, there's always a problem when. people get involved. And when people get. involved in making decisions that this. could be real and this could not be the. problem is like all these years later, you're dealing with the repercussions of. that. Like imagine a world in which if.

Enoch was left in the Bible and people. were like, "Wait, what happened?" like. explain the nuttiness of the book of. Enoch to people. >> Well, it's it's okay. So, if you read. it, it talks about the fall of angels. Um, thus creating really the precursor. of civilization that led to the first. flood. Um, I think that when you even go. into potentially the technology that was. given to mankind by these angels, it. talks about the hidden um beliefs and. and theories in astronomy, etc., metal.

workings, all of it. But it really does. explain, you know, you were talking. about earlier how you have a lot of. these religions around the world that. kind of say the same thing. This is kind. of the OG text that leads to those. stories that we're hearing from many. religions around the world. Um to talk. about angels mixing with mankind and. then seeding a super essentially race of. humans that essentially were responsible. for basically damning mankind to the. flood. I mean, you hear about stuff in.

Greek and Roman mythology, people who. had these super crazy powers and and you. you talk about it out loud and it sounds. crazy, but that's what the book says. And then the fact that it was taken out. and then it's papooed, yet you have one. of the oldest religions in the world, be. it the Ethiopians that actually still. have it. You have, you know, the. Catholic Church that has books that are. missing out of the King James version. I'm just saying that, you know, when you. read it, you should read it and decide. for yourself. Don't listen to what I'm. saying. don't listen to what you're. saying, but truly give it a chance and. see what you have to say. And then, you. know, you're going back to this whole.

concept of if you have this information. pertaining to UAPs, whatever might they. might be the origins. I mean, if you. have a understanding of what Enoch was. talking about, kind of makes sense. >> Well, I go back to my my thoughts on all. this stuff. It's like no, very few. people could even read back then. Very. few people could write, right? So, you're not going to write. you're you're. probably going to try to capture a. truth. You're probably not writing.

necessarily to deceive people and make. up a story. So the the question is with. all this stuff is like what was the. original truth that they were trying to. write down and how much of it is getting. distorted by translations from ancient. Hebrew to Latin to Greek, Aramaic. >> Yeah. like how much of it is it is it. possible to even understand what they're. saying without understanding the. language? >> And my friend Rick Stman, he's uh. >> very fascinating guy, but brilliant guy.

One of the things that he did is he. taught himself ancient Hebrew so he. could read the Bible in ancient Hebrew. It took him 16 years. >> Wow. >> But he did it because he's like, I want. to know it in that language. >> Direct. I mean that's smart because. there's always a aspect of translation. where you lose lose certain. implications. >> If you're playing the telephone game, you want to be second. You don't want to. be 15th. Exactly. >> Right. And whoever. >> whoever was writing it down the. earliest, that's probably you're closer. to their depictions of what that truth.

is. Then after King James starts [ __ ]. around with it and all a new wife got to. remove her. >> New people start getting involved. But. boy, when you go to the really old. stuff, you know, the really old stuff is. very strange. >> The Orthodox, I'm telling you, the. Ethiopian Orthodox Bible, I actually had. a staffer that went to Ethiopia. She was. uh on a church trip and she actually. brought me back a copy and she's like, "You can translate it via Google. Translation." So, kudos to modern day. technology. So, I have it in my office. and actually when I did my swearing in,

I actually did my swearing in on the. Ethiopian Orthodox Bible. >> Wow. >> It's cool. It's direct translation. >> That's kind of crazy. It's it's you know. I would wonder what the impact to all. these religions would be if we had. definitive proof that we're not alone. Like if there was an introduction like a. some sort of an event where they decided. look this government is too secretive. with all this information. You're.

holding back the understanding of these. intelligent life forms that they are not. the apex of this planet. nor are they. anywhere close to the peak of the. intelligence that's available out there. in the universe. Just let me show you. real quick and then what was what does. everybody do now? Like what what what. happens to the Mormons? Like what. happens everybody's going to [ __ ]. blow a gasket? >> Well, I think that brings us back to. square one. So, by the way, I'm no by no. means saying that, you know, aliens are. God. That's not what I'm saying. >> No, >> but I think that brings us back to the.

fundamental question on do you believe. that God exists? Because if you do, then. you realize that our freedom, you know, the freedom of choice is not a mangiven. right, but a God-given right. And I. think that that goes back to the. fundamental principles of like what we. believe in true representation. So if. you believe that God is real, God is. powerful, then it shouldn't be a king or. a man that you're looking to, but to God. for divine inspiration and to make your. life decisions, that's ultimately what. freedom of choice is. But I think even. the Catholic churches acknowledge that.

the idea that if there is intelligent. life somewhere else doesn't mean that. God didn't create it. >> Well, that's true. And it's. >> maybe God just didn't tell you about the. neighbors. >> Well, it does say in Enoch and then also. too, I think in Genesis that the stars. cried out. And so if you're looking, well, a star if it's not, you know, what. is what do they mean by stars crying. out? And then Enoch actually alludes to. stars in certain capacities being. potentially angels. Now, I'm not saying. like, and this is kind of interesting. because, you know, I've have this aspect. of my task force, what we've been. investigating, but then I have, you.

know, my personal beliefs and, you know, my religious beliefs. And what I'm. telling you is that in my position. officially, I've seen men pervert. information to get what they want. So. it's not unlikely that an entire you. know very secret very truthful text was. omitted in an effort to control. population and to insert yourself. between individuals relationship between. them directly and God and I think that. you know. >> well especially if it doesn't agree with. your interpretation of God. I mean, and.

this is what the the issue with these. rabbis, right? >> Well, I mean, if you're having people. determine any information. Yes. You you. should not be able to do that. >> Just the same thing as the UFO stuff. No. one should be the gatekeeper of. information. >> Exactly. And and hence the transparency. on the information, >> especially something that's it should be. for all of us. This is nuts. >> I think we're probably going to be. responsible for like the Book of Enoch. sales probably increase on Amazon. >> Well, I'm going to buy it. I'm going to. buy it. I I need to read it now because. I think. >> well I I wish I could I mean I'm sure.

there's some interpretations of the Dead. Sea Scrolls that I could sludge through, but the the thing about it is like I'd. really love to be able to read it in. Aramaic. I really wish I could read. Arab. I just don't have the [ __ ] time. to do that. But if I did. >> go on, you should uh see if there's like. an audible. >> I'm sure there is. But what I'm saying. is I really like the Strawman idea of. learning ancient Hebrew to be able to. read the source material. That's so that. is that's where it gets really. interesting because like what were these. people trying to write about? And if.

these people like Graham Hancock and. Randle Carlson are correct and these. folks that believe in the younger dus. impact theory, you know, the Bible was. written a couple thousand years ago. These people that. are talking about the younger dus impact. theory are talking about a cataclysmic. event that wiped out advanced. civilization 11,800. years ago. Well, Plato talks about it. hearing it from Egyptian teachers and. then going back to the Atlantean. civilization and it was. >> my point is what was their Bible?

>> Well, so. >> you know what I mean? Like if if you can. get back to 11,800 years ago and read. what they thought went down. >> because I think that's probably where. the oral traditions come from. The oral. traditions come from complete collapse. of society, rebuild over time, takes. forever, and then a re understanding of. what you know to be true about the. origin of man and the birth of the. universe and the and why we're here and. and then you got to figure out what. Jesus is. Well, so I actually um when I.

was in my early 20s, I actually went to. Egypt to see the megalithic structures. there. And then I went to Turkey to see. the Sumerian um inscriptions and. carvings and what they thought the. ancient Sumerian. >> gods were, the Anunnaki, all that. Um. what's interesting is in Enoch, it. actually has reference to the Anunnaki, but a different I think it's like Anu is. like the term the root term that's used. for it. So, >> have you read the Zechariah Hitch and. stuff? >> No. >> Do you know of it? >> I have heard of it. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's the most fun. >> Yeah. Well, I I will say with um all of.

that going back to if you read Enoch and. then follow about the fall of mankind. and and the angels with you know and. this is Christian theology, right? So. like angels came down rebelled against. God inner bread with humankind. Um that. would be I think a good starting point. for what potentially the Anunnaki were. >> Yeah. God probably didn't like that they. were coming around and uh taking the. ancient homminids and juicing them up. Juicing them up. make them chest. approve. Heaven did not approve.

>> Yeah, it's probably against the the code. of the universe. God probably says, "Look, you can go visit, but don't mess. around with it.". >> Well, there's definitely something to be. said. It actually talks about this in. Enoch about um a divine justice. And so, I think, you know, again, going back to. >> what is our job, you know, how would. society function? You have aspects in. like government, do you trust your. government? Is government going to. follow through and bring accountability? you know, that's our job at the same. sense and that we have to ensure that if. we are tr truly have an equal and fair.

society that you have to have this. aspect of justice that has to be carried. out and I you know I can go back to. something that I've found kind of crazy. but you know the mandatory minimums for. child predators are not that high in. this country and so Congress can. actually increase the mandatory minimums. but there's been a lot of lethargy about. that and it's like why would you you. know not want to increase it some people. are against the death penalty and I. always say that it's not you know my job. to play God or to judge people just to. help to arrange the meeting. >> Yeah. I It's a weird job, right? I mean,

you're you're involved in the disclosure. of things that have questioned that. people have questioned forever. I mean, these are those are the huge questions. that exist from the 1960s on. UFOs, JFK, Martin Luther King, RFK, >> RFK, those are the big ones. >> We're pushing for it. And there's. there's a good group of people that are. assigned to it. Um I did say recently, so the MLK documents just came out and. we're wrapping up our JFK investigation.

So after we finalize the JFK. investigation, we're putting out an. official congressional report on our. findings and people can read it and. decide for themselves. Um then we have. RFK and then MLK. But I think a lot of. the MLK family was actually very. concerned that we were going to go into. extracurricular and that's not the. objective of the task force. It's to. specifically expose what the government. was doing if they knew about the. potential threats. And people say, "Well, why do we care about I constantly. get, well, we shouldn't care about. this?" No, you should because there has. to be a check and balance. And when you.

know if the CIA was operating outside. the purview of the federal government, if you know that whistleblowers are. being punished, if there needs to be. reform to um to the Foye Act, all of. this stuff, then we have to be able to. put forward legislation to ensure it. doesn't happen again. And what's been. very interesting and almost. serendipitous about the whole JFK. investigation is you have President. Trump now in the second term that's. released all this information and. multiple presidents tried to but they. were worked against by their own. secretaries within these agencies and.

then deep sea actors that tried to block. the efforts for release. Now you're. seeing kind of a flush of the system and. even though information hasn't come out. as fast as we would like it to, the fact. that they've made these admissions is. really good. Um but moving forward into. how do you prevent this from happening. again? It's people really do like young. people especially because there's so. much fatigue for people that have been. in office for you know and the reason I. say like I don't even want to do this. for the next 10 years is because. everyone even people I've looked up to. after a certain amount of time they lose.

their edge and I think that that's. because like you're up there you're. taking in a lot of incoming it's a it's. not a fun job like you're getting. attacked like you're getting beat down. it's stressful but if you can put all. your energy in it now and then you can. cut ties and pass it on that's how our. founding fathers wanted us to do is like. pass a torch, stand up the next. generation. >> Right. But we have a bunch of career. politicians that want to stay in office. for 50, 60 years. >> Correct. And that's a problem. And it's. on both sides. >> Yeah. It's on both sides. >> So, I'm trying to do a discharge. petition now on term limits. So, back in. January of my first term, so back in.

January of 2022, um I'm sure you saw. there was like this massive speakers. fight about confirming Kevin McCarthy as. a speakers of the ha of the speaker. speaker of the house. And I was part of. one of those 20 that said, "We're not. going to vote for you just yet. We need. to reform the institution and the way. that we function because power had been. consolidated within the speaker's. position. So much so that how it's. supposed to work is you're supposed to. be able to bring a bill forward. That. bill is supposed to come to the floor. All of these policies were being.

consolidated in one person and if you. didn't step uh fall in line, you. wouldn't get committee assignments. You. wouldn't be able to fund raise. They. would basically cut off all aspects of. fundraising in Washington. And the. mainstream media for a while was like, "You guys are disrupting the process.". You know, like you guys are fighting. Well, what the hell do you want Congress. to do? You want us to just fall in line. and not argue our principles. Like. that's last time I checked, we were. supposed to fight for that. And so we. were able to reform the institution. But. one of the things that we had negotiated. with the former speaker was we wanted a. vote on term limits and that never came.

up. And so now because of our our very. slim majority, one of the most slim. majorities in US history, we have the. ability to do something called a. discharge petition. and it's where you. can physically go down and basically. collect signatures on a bill. And so I'm. bringing forward two that have already. been filed. One is going to be to force. a vote on term limits. So I'm going to. see if members of Congress will actually. put their name to actually bring that. bill to the floor. There's going to be a. massive I hope pressure campaign to. activate members to do that. And then. the other one is banning insider. trading. >> Yeah, that's been talked about for a.

while, >> but hasn't been done. And we can do it. now. >> Nancy just needs a little more money and. then she'll quit. >> Well, it's not. You know, there was a um. a comm's director meeting for the entire. GOP and I'm calling up Burchett's bill. on banning insider trading and we were. not invited to that to that meeting. Our. staff was excommunicated from that. >> I wonder why. >> Yeah, I know. Something about making. money. Weird. >> Shocker. It's It's crazy how like openly. corrupt that part of the business is. But the thing is once you've become. accustomed to be able to do something. and you've been able to do it for.

decades, you're very reluctant to give. that up. Why would you give that up? That's a huge advantage. People say that. it doesn't exist, but last time I. checked, when you are given access to. CEOs, when you're given access to. information that are affecting markets. and then you're on the committee or that. has purview over those bills, you do. have information like. >> seems like you have a little you have a. little more than the average person. >> and there's a lot, you know, you can. look at people's, you know, they go in, you're making 175 a year and then all of. a sudden you come out, you're worth like.

20 million, 200 million. It's kind of. >> kind of shady. >> You're not really gambling. You know, the stock market is kind of gambling. You're not g like the UFC doesn't even. allow me to gamble and I can't even. affect the outcome. >> But yeah, see, so you can't do it, but. Congress can. >> But Congress can, you know, for now at. least. >> I the inside information that I have, anybody could have mostly. >> Not really. No, that's not true. No, I. know some stuff sometimes, unfortunately. >> Yeah, I was told um if I forced a vote. that I was going to cost us the republic. is what I was told. The thing about the. insider trading thing is the amount of.

money is so egregious. Like isn't Pelosi. now worth 400 million? Wasn't that the. >> It's upward I saw upwards of 200. million. But. >> I thought she jacked up her portfolio. recently significantly. >> But it's not just her. It's it's on both. sides. >> Oh yeah. No, she's just the poster lady, unfortunately. No uh no slight at her. It's all across the board. If you look. at how many people It's red, blue, red, blue. It's the whole thing. Everybody's. doing it. >> I um I told my husband I was like we're. not going to do stocks because it just.

that's the one thing you can talk to. anyone. I actually was reading an. article so and the local press are like. Replo is trying to force a vote on this, right? And so like I'm always the kind. of redheaded stepchild usually with. especially in in dumb circles. But this. one lady post I actually started. laughing. She goes, "Well, a broken. clock is right twice a day." And I. started laughing because I'm like it's. such like a bipartisan issue. like over. 80% of Americans don't think that. Congress should be able to trade stock. and it's true because we're given access. to information and that that's truly. influencing your decision. >> Did you ask her what your what the rest.

of you are wrong about. >> I mean I tend to I think it's just I. think it's party party associations like. some people just will never vote. >> a broken clock. >> Yeah. But. >> yeah, people are people are raid and. they're super upset now obviously. because Trump's in office again. So that. that rabid nature has been over. amplified. >> It has. I think a lot of it though is. driven by like bot activity I think is. really big. I can tell you that when I. first launched the task force, people. were like she's an intelligence asset.

She's never going to release information. that it came out that I actually don't. have declassification authority. But we. have been able to produce wins and we. are getting full uh cooperation from the. executive branch. So we're just simply. investigating the findings, collecting. the information and pressuring for. release. >> There's real people along with those. bots, but real people are also. influenced by bots as well. There's. there's waves of negativity and. positivity that go in certain directions. that are orchestrated and there's. companies that are known companies that. you could actually hire them to go do. stuff. >> They exist uh in Florida actually.

There's a couple social media. influencers that have been approached. I've seen it so I know it exists. >> It's crazy. >> What's interesting though is it goes. back to the you never want to get in. trouble in a crowd of people because. they'll just look at each other. You. ever see like someone getting beat up. and they just like film it, right? Instead of like going to help that. person and that's part of that group. think it exists online. Um, I do think X. needs to do something at least like be. able to label bot accounts because I've. seen it happen especially on certain. things like I had uh done something to. allow new moms to vote when you're. recovering. Our our job is different.

like only 13 women in US history have. ever given birth. It's about to be 14 um. who are members of Congress and god. forbid we enter a war or something we're. not going to be able to vote. if you're. recovering in a hospital, that's a. pretty like rare circumstance. And so. there was definitely bots bought. accounts that were attacking me for that. and accusing me of like destroying the. republic. Again, I said, I don't think. that that's the case. But. >> yeah, that's not tinfoil hat stuff, folks. You really need to know that. Why. wouldn't there be? This is the thing. Like if you were whether it's this.

country, a corporation, another country, why wouldn't you automate your system or. have AI or even just have actual people. that have a job and their job is to type. inflammatory. >> whatever it is, insults, what whatever. it is, like whatever their their. accomplishment, whatever their goal. they're trying to accomplish is, why. wouldn't you have a group of people that. you have at your command if it's legal? So because it is legal. >> So it is legal and in politics what's.

interesting is they'll test like. especially when you're running for. office. It's kind of interesting because. you'll actually during my first race I. actually had a firm that I was going to. for consulting and they had someone that. had worked at the firm that had also. worked with like McDonald's branding. So. like people that are running for office. will bring on these firms and then. they'll like give them kind of like a. branding profile. What was interesting. about that is that you know you have. this aspect of bot activity. Social. media at the time was kind of just. resurfacing is if you want to be kind of. influential, you have to be able to use.

social media, share your message and get. that out there. And could I think Trump. really kind of refined that was kind of. one of the leading figures in that. especially when Twitter 1.0 was in. existence, right? >> But then you had this aspect of people. that were running for office and then. there was actually a censorship state in. this country and we found that out that. Twitter 1.0 was coordinating with the. Department of Homeland Security. We. found this out actually in a. congressional hearing where they were. actually and DHS had a division under. SCIA that was supposed to be monitoring. terrorist organizations and they were.

using it on the American people to. censor information specifically on COVID. on January 6. All of that that is scary. You still have censorship issues in. places like the EU. So like to think. that they wouldn't use social media. platforms especially to influence masses. is just that's not a conspiracy theory. that happens. We have evidence of that. Of course, censorship is influencing and. it's also causing people to self censor. which changes discourse. >> Yeah. Not wanting to have conversations. >> Yeah. But you can get banned from. Twitter for a variety of things, particularly during CO. But I think to. code was also a great test case for.

them. Let's see like if there is some. sort of a catastrophe, some natural. disaster, some national security issue. where we could now enforce new. regulations of censorship. Well, and. scary regulations at that because CO was. really kind of dystopian and and going. back to kind of, you know, I think you'd. mentioned foreign government influence. using bots. The one thing that's been. interesting is in our investigation, so. like taking now my task force hat off. and going into actually problems that we. see right now happening. You you saw. this like massive a couple weeks ago.

rift that was taking place between the. American people specifically on. immigration and all of a sudden these. like pop-up riots. I actually call them. the Teimu riots, like the Teimu Chinese. app, because. >> it came out um via actually this woman, her name's Data Republican on X, and she. actually tracked down the funding line. and what was happening was the Chinese. government was basically propping up. this billionaire, American billionaire. Neville Singham, and actually he was. donating money to organizations like. Party of Socialis, Socialism and. Liberation, and were they were actually.

funding a lot of these riot pop-ups in. the area. So you had people that were. being used divided for example on the. immigration topic. You literally have. them passing out you know Mexican flags. saying that they cared about immigrants. when in actuality the financial ties is. actually coming from the CCP. So the. Chinese government on many occasions and. it's not uncommon within Congress to. know even on apps like Tik Tok they were. showing certain information and in in. order to cause a rift and influence. people. Um, this same individual, Neville Singham, actually once we got.

this information, we sent a request to. have him come testify to Congress. And. he spends part of his year in Shanghai, China. And so we were not able to. deliver him his subpoena basically. And. so there's a letter that Chairman Comr. has now authorized to be sent that will. go to the Treasury Department to freeze. his assets unless he comes to testify to. Congress. >> Wow. And that mind you this is not um. you know people and like look I started. out before politics with my feet getting. wet as an activist like that's actually. how I started out in politics. So like I.

understand the immigration the border I. like understand all arguments because. I've I've been through it and I've had a. debate on debate it. But what's a. problem for me is that you have foreign. governments trying to cause a rift and. then promote ideologies that will. empower. people specifically to push forward. policy that will actually put us as like. second tier as opposed to the Chinese. government. And I do think that the. Chinese government in their execution. has been very very specific about how. they want to hinder our ability um to be.

global dominators. think when you're. looking at what happened in COVID time. frame, right? So like a lot of people. said that Wuhan lab leaked that that was. a conspiracy theory. We now know that it. happened and that was true. But at the. same time, if you look at what President. Trump was doing, he was actually trying. to negotiate trade with China and he was. winning and then all of a sudden co. happened. Well, what was interesting. second time around in Trump 2.0 know is. that you have all these timu rights. taking place at the same time and it. almost got no coverage in the mainstream. media but you had multiple Chinese.

nationals that were caught trying to. release agot terrorism weapons. >> Yeah, we talked about that stuff. >> Yeah, agarism weapons and then at the. same time the tariff war was taking. place and then you actually saw them. trying to infiltrate. So, I don't think. it's by accident, but I do think that. it's important to remember that just. because you see something happening on. the mainstream media, the media will. always try to amplify something because. it's rage baiting and its click and its. views, which translates to money. >> And if it's negative against Trump, it. gets front page, >> of course. Of course. But when you. actually look at where the funding.

stream is coming from, it actually goes. back to China. And this is not the only. incident where they try to drive a wedge. between Americans and then actually like. section like compartmentalize with uh. Hispanic Americans specifically. So in. 2016 now the largest voting minority in. the country are Hispanic Americans. specifically of Mexican descent and I. think you can find that stat on. pewhispanic.org. So when you're looking at voting. demographics, how could you influence an. entire demographic to help skew or. influence a midterm election and it. would be specifically probably on the.

immigration topic to try to race bait. people. But then you have this aspect of. the same guy Neville Singham. His wife. actually funds an organization called. Code Pink. So this is all Chinese money. now going to a separate cause and this. one specifically is on the Israel versus. Palestine issue. They don't care about. Israelis or Palestinians. This is a. Chinese funded group and what they're. doing is they're using that front in an. effort to then divide on that topic as. well. So it's a multiaceted approach. using minority classes in order to.

actually push the end goal which would. be communism. >> Wow. >> And also too you can actually look on. the flyers for these organizations. So. PSL um Neville Singham is actually an. open admirer of Ma Mao Dong. I mean like. it's all up there and it's out there for. you to find. But it's just crazy because. most people you know you see see this. aspect of propaganda that's being show. shown to you and you're not going to be. like who's funding that? You know you're. going to say like you know tell with. that person I'm going to fight for this. but that's they don't actually realize. the more nefarious perspective of what's.

happening behind the scenes. So, I I. absolutely believe this is true that I'm. sure other countries fund similar. things, but also it was a reaction to. some of the ICE raids, right? I mean, it. was a it was a a visceral reaction that. a lot of people had to the idea of. people just showing up and pulling. people out of schools and pulling people. out of Home Depot and pulling people. that were just hardworking people that. maybe snuck over here because they. didn't have a legal way to get over.

here, but since they've been here, they've been good people and they're a. part of communities. And that's what. freaks people out because what people. when people thought about ICE, they. thought, great, we're going to get rid. of the gang members. They didn't think, great, you're going to get rid of a. landscaper. But the question is why. didn't they do it then during why did. these riots and why did this dis. >> I don't disagree with you I think. >> Obama Biden. >> listen I'm sure these ri some of these. riots absolutely are manufactured I'm. sure they are I'm sure these pallets of. bricks that get left off on corners when.

they know that there's going to be a BLM. riot that's bananas. >> well and they they fund raise but to. your point so how do you fix something. like the immigration system as a whole. right so. >> they definitely don't have an open. border That's crazy because you need to. know if people are criminals that are. coming in. You don't want cartel members. coming in. You don't want murderers. coming in and serial killers. Like. there's there's a reason why we have. borders. All the above, right? There's a. reason why we have borders. >> But the the thing that freaks people out. is like how many corporations rely on.

illegal labor? How many. >> chicken is one of them? I actually, yeah, we actually last year. >> um I was putting out some messaging on. them because I had watched this. documentary about the slaughter houses, how they're actually using migrant. children, like 14, 15 in some of these. slaughter houses and um the lobbyists. from Tyson Chicken Corporation contacted. my chief of staff at the time and was. like trying to basically say like, "Hey, like basically back off, but like I. don't care. Like it's wrong. Like I.

don't care where you're on the spectrum. shouldn't allow migrant labor with. children specifically because child. slave labor. >> I'll tell you a story that a high level. government official told me. Okay, >> I don't want to I don't know if he said. it on here or not, so I don't want to. say his name. >> Wait, so he was on here, so then that. narrows it. >> [ __ ] up. >> Okay, it's okay. >> Um, someone actually said to him that. they don't want to stop the illegal. immigration because they need cheap. labor. >> Correct. I actually think that it'll. never stop, at least not in college. >> They don't have to pay them any. benefits. They don't they don't have to.

take care of their insurance. >> or pay them at all. >> Well, they pay them, but they don't have. to pay them what they're supposed to pay. them. >> Well, I've heard cases where people, specifically contractors, will walk on. people if they know that they're here. legally. And like, so going back to like. how do you how do you fix this, >> right? >> Is one of the top cases that I handle. aside from social security help and. refunds like within my congressional. office. So, a congressional office does. constituent services and it's basically. like customer service. Like, have you. been victimized by the by the federal. government? You know, call this number. That's your congressional office. So,

specifically on immigration cases, like. if you've had an issue with the State. Department, visas, all of that, you can. contact your local congressman. And so, what I will say is that we've had people. that have spent like tens of thousands. of dollars to come here, but it takes. like 20some years to do. And that's part. of the problem is there's been such an. influx and such a bog down of the actual. system that our actual system is not. functioning at the capacity that it. should to actually help people come here. the correct way. Well, especially poor. people, right? And the if you want to. immigrate to the United States, the the.

application, one of the the things they. ask you is, are you an expert in. something where people in the United. States can't do it. >> like a doctor or. >> maybe you're a musician and like no one. else could sing your songs? Like you you. maybe you could get citizenship from. that. But if you're just a landscaper, you're just a guy who lives in a a third. world country and you want a better life. and you say, "I heard you can get across. and I heard when you get across you can. get work." Like, what is that guy going. to do? That guy doesn't have the money.

to hire a lawyer. He's not going to what. how is he going to prove that he's more. valuable than a United States citizen. that's already here at doing the exact. same job? >> I do think that unless we are able to. aign probably more lawyers, more judges. to actually hear these cases, it's going. to continue to be a problem. And I have. heard okay on the floor these are. conversations between members that to a. certain extent especially when you're. talking about you know like an everify. system within the a industry that. actually members of that committee don't. want that because they know that the.

farmers are actually heavily relying on. some of these illegals to work at their. >> Yeah. and construction crews and fill in. the blank. >> So I can confirm that that'sn't the. solution force people to pay everybody. exactly the same way. Well, yeah, because you don't have the decrease in. wages. However, I think the bigger. problem that we have here though is that. at least specifically in my district and. then also to having argued this is that. this gray area that's been created in my. opinion they don't want a solution for. They do it intentionally with the.

understanding that both sides are going. to fund raise off of it. In my opinion, if I was to be able to actually fix. this, I would say that you have to I. would say. >> pause, let the system run through, >> take everyone in, vet them, make sure. that they're not criminals, etc. But. then the system allows time for it to. actually catch up to itself and then you. can continue as is. >> What you just said was so scary that. they don't want to resolve it because. they want the issue to exist so they. could fund raise for it against it. Yeah, >> that's so nuts and probably so accurate.

That's probably so accurate. because anytime anything ever happens, one of the first things they do is like. please donate like throw it up. So all. the people that are very reactionary. like I can't believe this is happening. >> And you know what's crazy is most. elected officials might send out that. email but the email fundraisers actually. are taking like 80% of that dollar. That's like usually the average retro. and it's like I am in the wrong. business. This is crazy. >> The scariest thing about nonprofits is.

how much profit they make. >> It's really weird when you see the. salaries of some of these people that. are in nonprofits and they will never a. million dollars a year. You're like, what is how is that? And they do. It's. crazy. Or what's going on with the LA. fire thing, you know, where they can't. figure out where all the money went. It. went to 188 different nonprofits. >> Who's it? Spencer. Is his name Spencer. Pratt? I was like, "Spencer Pratt for. governor.". >> He's a little pitbull. That dude's on. that thing. Well, they burned his [ __ ]. his [ __ ] house got burnt down.

>> And then they promised all these. celebrities are like, "Yeah, donate. We'll give it to the victims." It's. like, "Where did it go?" There's like. this fine print that he wrote. >> It's really weird, but it exposes the. legality of these systems. They're It's. legal for them to operate like that. where, you know, an enormous percentage. of all the money that comes in goes to. overhead. It goes to salaries. And it's. like, >> but it's such a scam. It's such a weird. scam and it's such a devious thing. because you're pulling on people's. heartstrings. >> Which is why, going back to what I said,

we need younger people and we need more. normal people to run for office. >> We need AI to take over. >> Well, I don't know about that. >> AI is our god. >> No, no, no. >> AI is our governor. AI is our king. That's what we'll say in school now. AI. is our king. >> We need to um I think AI can be used in. in good senses. Like I can and I ask. grock things a lot and I will argue. points and but I think we need to work. alongside it because there's this aspect. of AI that removes the humanity like I. don't think you can teach AI empathy and.

there's a certain aspect of humanity. that needs to be kept involved in these. decision-making processes. For example, if you have a drone that's been targeted. to, let's say, eliminate a terrorist at. this grid location and it's functioning. solely on AI, well, what's going to. enable it to be able to pause on. destruction of a location if there's. children within it? I mean, if it's a. bot, it's not thinking. And these are. like. >> true, but the US history of drone use is. no better than what you just described. Well, there are oversightes and massive.

investigations, especially if it's in. regards to civilian casualties, >> right? But civilian casualties are the. majority of deaths from drones. >> I would say based on the people that. I've talked with and interacted, it's. definitely happened in the past and it's. definitely problematic. However, >> I think it's but it's the majority. >> I'd have to I mean, I don't. >> The majority of the people that died. that died were civilians. They weren't. the intended targets. Well, and that's a. problem and that's where a lot of these.

people do. You have Lowax, so there's. massive investigations with the JAGs, etc. that get involved in these. investigations. >> Saying like would AI be better than. that? I don't know. >> Well, I think you can have I think you. can have an AI decision-making process, but where there's a human involved in. that step process. So like the human. would be the final step in authority. So. the AI would rank it maybe and like. granted I'm not an AI programmer, but I. am saying that I think that there's an. interface where you can have humans. involved in the final step. Well, the. most terrifying solution is not that is. is don't use the missiles. Instead, you.

have a drone that specifically targets. one person. You. >> suicide drones. Yeah. >> But I mean, even worse, like flies. through the house and like lands on the. dude's head and blows up. >> Don't freak me out too much because the. Chinese have a little spy drone that's. like literally this big. Have you seen. it? Yeah. And they just. >> Yeah. They have bug drones now. I'm sure. our government does, too. There's no way. the Chinese are the only ones who do it. especially if they really have been back. engineering UFOs for the last 40 50. years. >> I don't think that any other government.

is as advanced in regards to that topic. as we potentially are. And I say that. because if that were the case, then they. would be the world superpower. >> I agree with that. But I also think that. even though we probably have the best. military contractors, we also get. infiltrated by the Chinese government. and the Russian government all the time. >> Oh, that's. >> they're always. >> and Congress gets infiltrated. Yes. >> Like how many people like have all of a. sudden like girlfriends. >> hot Chinese girlfriend wink? >> No comment on that. >> Well, guys are weak. We're so weak. All.

you have to do is be hot and we're. stupid. We fall. >> My biggest fan, that guy. >> Of course, there's there's always going. to be people like that that infiltrate. universities that infiltrate research. centers. They they get information back. to the CCP. There's that famous story I. think Mark Andre told us about how uh. what what was it in Berkeley, I forget what the corporation was, but. the the the power went down and so all. these CCP uh people panicked because.

they were supposed to send the. information back and if they don't, hey, maybe your grandmother doesn't get her. medicine. Maybe, you know what I mean? Maybe your family gets a visit. Like you. have to be on time. >> The University of Michigan has now had. like what two I think those aggro. terrorism was like University of. Michigan. all over the country they've. been infiltrated by like the these. governments have like very cleverly. inserted their ideology into these. universities like Yuri Besoff talked. about this that Russia was doing this in. the 1980s it was 1984. >> the one thing that's been interesting is. and a lot of people aren't talking about.

there's one representative member. Republican from California that's. addressing it but um when they have. surrogates have children here for US. citizenship but then they take them back. and fully integrate them and educate. them in China. And so technically. they're US citizens, but they are being. totally raised with the ideology and. perspective of the Chinese government. And that's an interesting perspective. >> And then they come back over here and. they're full US citizens. >> Yep. >> Work for the Chinese government. >> Yes. Access to all of our resources, everything, education system,

>> and then we sell the Chinese government. land around our military bases. Oh, that. has been I and I get, you know, I love. our libertarian brothers, okay, but and. sisters, but I have gotten into so many. debates on this cuz they're like, well, you know, we shouldn't limit an. American's ability to actually sell. their property. And I'm like, yeah, but. the Chinese government literally wants. to eliminate the West as we know it. And. so, we have to be cognizant of that. And. also too, by the way, it's not like. you're just like buying a military. installation. You think that they're not. actually like actually putting tech and. or observing, monitoring, pulling all of.

our resources? And not just that, like. Mike Baker talked about this on the. podcast that they sell cell phone. towers, >> Huawei. >> to these companies, well Huawei, which. was they were really problematic, but. they so they sell these cell phone. towers near these bases and so they sell. them at a discounted rate. And then the. Huawei stuff was crazy because it. actually had like a third party access. built into some of their systems. And a. lot of the tech that they actually sell. here, whether it's to our law. enforcement, so like anytime you have uh.

specifically, I would say like within. even our craning and like our actual. shipping operations, those things are. sending signals back home. >> Yeah. Well, we're so stupid. We can't. make those things. >> Well, we should we should be making So, there's policy changes where if you have. an American business, you can now. actually get a big tax incentive for. manufacturing back home. >> That's great, but it's going to take 10. years for us to even catch up to where. they are now. >> We just got to stay the course. No. What. a what a dumb idea. Like everyone has a. cell phone. No one can make a phone. What is that? No one saw that coming.

That's bananas. All of them get made out. in the 70s for manufacturing. And I. think that that's where you're seeing. this, you know, aspect of people that. are very like if you talk about and I'm. not like an isolationist by any means, but like I do believe that we should. have especially with co everyone saw. this. We should have certain things that. are just manufactured here. I think tech. is extremely important. And I think. Palmer Lucky is doing like laptops or. something now in the United States. He's. trying to actually move that over. I. >> Elon should make a phone. I bet he's. thinking about it because he's he's in. some sort of a dispute right now with. Apple because Apple won't There's.

something about the way um Grock AI. shows up and he's saying that their. algorithm is essentially rigged where. open AI is like Grock AI is never. featured. >> Oh, really? I have something app on my. phone. But. >> so maybe that'll incentivize him to make. a phone. Elon, make a phone and we'll. try it out. >> Elon Musk says Apple's rigging the app. store for Chat GPT. The tech mogul is. threatening immediate legal action, accusing the iPhone maker of. unequivocable antirust violation. designed to favor his AI rival.

>> Oh, is his AI rival the Sam Alman guy? >> Yeah, it's interesting. I wonder if that. there's I mean, you don't just say. something like that, do you? >> No, no, he definitely he's not he's not. a dummy. He's smart. There's definitely. something there. Oh, readers added. context 2025 deepseek reached number one. and Deepseek's the Japanese the Chinese. one, right? >> Oh, and Deep Seek's freaky about some of. the stuff that it can do. >> Just one month ago, Perplexity also. reached number one overall in India's. app store. Both of these occurred after.

the Open AI Apple partnership announced. on June 10th, 2024. But what about the. United States? Because the United States. is the biggest market. >> when it comes to like uh we're probably. the the highest percentage of people. that use Apple in the world. >> It's literally when you go to buy a. phone, it's usually an iPhone. >> I'm almost I think it's something crazy. with kids. It's like 84% or something. like that. >> Oh, don't get me if you have a kid, keep. them off phones as long as you can. >> Yes, for sure. But I mean, but the point. is like the app store in America is that.

is the monopoly in this country if you. want to get an app. I mean, it's. >> not a monopoly, but the leader, the the. head leader. >> To be honest with you, I've only ever. had iPhone, and so that's the only. platform I've ever used. I know it's. like Android versus iPhone. >> No, I have both. They're both really. good. The the the Android's way better. than it used to be. >> But it's still I had it back in the day, but it's it's right there where an. iPhone is right now, just different, and. gives you a lot more access to stuff. >> Well, it's still freaky though. Then you. have these phones that are considered. actual safe phones that aren't ripping.

your data and basically turning on every. like 10 minutes to kind of be able to t. like target you for sales, whatever it. might be. I can tell you that, you know, given my job and some of the stuff, I I. am totally freaked out by having an. iPhone. And I look forward to the day. where I don't have to have a phone. I'm. going to get a flip phone. >> They're going to already have a chip in. your head by then. >> No, absolutely. Of me, of all people, no. chips. We're chip free. I I don't know. if there are any phones that really. truly are safe. I mean, I know that. there's um.

there's some phones that run on. alternative operating systems that. aren't Google. What is that alternative. system that they use with Pixel phones. that now uh at least the French. government when they find people that. have Google phones, they they. immediately look at that person as a a. point of interest. >> because they're like, "We can't track. you.". >> Yeah. Because they're using this uh. other operating system. What is it. called again? I can't remember it, but. it's what Adam Curry uses. It's a. deooled iPhone that uses an alternative. operating system. So, this doesn't send.

data. I'm sure the GPS sucks. It's. probably. >> It's called Graphine. >> That's right. Graphine OS. So, there's. multiple different ver different OSs. that people use outside of the Google, but you can only use it on Android. phones, and a lot of people use it on. Pixel phones. They you can actually buy. them. What is that guy's name? the the. uh Asian gentleman who has that Rob. Braxton, he he sells them and he is like. a security advocate. He's always talking.

to you about how insecure all of your. technology is and explaining why they. added this and what this means now and. where your data is going and how they. can track you. And. >> it's made me. >> So he's he sells de googled iPhones. Oh, he's a response to Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan. is wondering what I'm hiding. Five years. ago, I was [ __ ] around. I was just. saying, "What's that guy hiding? He's. scared." Well, so this guy's been at. this forever, right? So five years ago, we were talking about him and he was.

making these phones. Five years ago. >> Well, and from a government perspective, you have this aspect of a lot of people. don't want to reform FISA. FISA and the. way that it can surveillance Americans. is pretty freaky. We would like to. >> really freaky. >> Really freaky. And we, you know, um, I. actually did not get a committee. assignment on House Armed Services as as. a vet because I voted against FISA and I. was one of two that voted against it and. they said that I was not a team player. But when you actually look at. >> play for the team,

>> yeah, this seems to be like an ongoing. thing. I am playing for the team, but. it's just not. >> Isn't that a nutty thing to say? >> Like whatever happened to uh. representative of the people? What are. we doing? There's there actually there's. still a few good representatives. It's few and far between. >> Well, I think it's hard it's probably. hard to stay the course. It's probably. hard to keep your your your morals and. your ethics why everyone around you. isn't. >> You you have to not so some of the best. representatives, best even people in.

government are the ones that did not. have to do this job, >> right? And that's because if you're. giving up something to come here, it. means that you're doing it for the right. reasons. If you have nothing to gain. from this position and this is the only. thing you've ever wanted to be, you're. usually not the best person for that. job. And I say that because you are then. only going to do what it takes to get. reelected, which means that you are. willing to compromise your principles. because there will be decisions that you. have to take where you're going to have. to stand firm on your principles and be. like, I can't vote for that. There's. there's massive pressure campaigns. Like.

when a certain bill comes up, if I'm. voting against it, you have planted. stories in the press. You have super. PACs that will come in and drop um text. messages in your district to your. constituents saying like, "Did you know. that Representative so- and so voted. against this?" And so, you have to be. able to be like, "All right, I'm just. going to just disconnect." And I, you. know, at a certain point, you do have to. do that because then you're just you'll. go crazy. Don't worry. >> You definitely go crazy if you read all. the bots. >> Oh, you can't read Don't Don't fight. with the bots. Don't fight with the. bots. No, people do read them. It's just. interesting. It's like representative.

like when you see representatives today, some of them are kind of characters, you. know, where they become. >> like Gotham. >> Yeah. Where they become popular, you. know, they become like Fedterman, you. know, is popular. >> He's not too He's He's changed. He's. like actually makes sense on. >> much more reasonable than most. Yeah. He's a logical guy. He's a very nice. guy. I think it's hilarious that he. still wears the hoodie and the shorts. and like he's exploiting a rule. >> I mean in the Senate kind of right. He's.

kind of right and he that is really how. he likes to dress. Like when I saw him. in DC it was like 10° out. This dude had. shorts on and a hoodie, a car heart. hoodie and he's just but he's like. that's genuinely him. I think he's a. good guy. >> Well, he's a big guy too. So like. there's only a certain. >> sweats a lot. Probably easily warm. likes. saying that we know he sweats, but just, you know, >> for sure he does. He's a big guy. But, um, yeah. No, he's he's reasonable. But. the point is he's kind of a character. Like Jasmine Crockett's a character.

AOC's a character. There's characters. and they, you know, they're like main. characters in this political show that. we're all watching on television. >> Oversight. So, I actually um was on. oversight with all those people except. for Fedterman. And what I'll tell you is. oversight tends to bring out the. characters for sure. And and what I will. say is that actually. >> I have been able to on certain things. like with AOC I introduced a piece of. legislation. So there was a partner bill. in the Senate with Bernie Sanders and I. think Josh Holly to cap credit card. interest at 10%. And then we started.

getting I started getting a lot of heat. for it because people are like you can't. do that. And I was like well most of. these banks that we're talking about are. actually taking government bailout. So. if you're taking a government bailout. and you're essentially operating off the. goodwill of the federal government, then. you should be held a standard because. then you have like predatory lending and. what ends up happening is some of these. people will take out a you know a credit. or max out their credit cards and then. for the rest of their life they're. paying back the debt. And then also. there's something that we've been able. to introduce. So this is like the more. populous representation where you see. both the right and the left kind of.

agree on certain things. And there's. another bill that I'm introducing with. another Democrat and another Republican. that's a more moderate Republican, but. it's actually to cap student loan. interest at 2.5%. >> That would be wonderful because I was. just going to ask you about that. I was. reading this woman on X and she was. talking about how she graduated with. student loans that equaled I think it. was $28,000. She's paid off. She's never missed a. payment. Paid off $24,000 and she still. owes $60,000.

>> Yeah. So what they do is they actually. and I've quote been quote on this but it. creates an indentured servant basically. for the rest of their life. They're. paying off this debt and you can never. actually you know function. >> Absolutely insane that if she's telling. the truth and I believe she is. That's. absolutely insane that you could owe. $60,000 plus dollars after a 24,000 or. $28,000 loan when you've paid 24,000 of. it off. >> It's if for people that are actually. trying to better themselves that might. have to take out loans for that. It's. crippling and then they actually can't.

get a good start at being contributing. members of society because they're. always functioning into debt. >> Exactly. If you want to make America. great again, have less people in debt, have less losers, >> opportunity. >> Yeah. Have more people that can get. things going on because they're not. burdened by some crazy debt. That really. is not right. It's not right that you do. that to an 18-year-old kid. Saddle them. down like that for the rest of their. life. >> And to be clear, like I'm not talking. about student loan forgiveness, and I. think you're not either, but you know, I. I had to join the military. I paid for. my college using the GI Bill. And so, do.

I think student loans forgiveness is. fair? No. But is this a way that we can. actually make make a happy medium to. where people are actually given the. opportunity to pay back the debt? And. yes. And so, I look forward to. introducing that. But that's a piece of. legislation that should be on the floor. and that it's not. And it's. >> I think in an ideal world, education is. free. In an ideal country where you. really care about the people and you. really want more success stories, education is free. Difficult to get. into. You have to be qualified, a true. meritocracy, but education should be. free. And if if these certain people.

from different parts of the country. don't seem to be getting in, address. that. Figure out what's wrong with their. school system and throw federal funds at. that. Figure it's not impossible to. figure out why certain school systems. are are doing poorly and other ones are. doing great. >> I will I will tell you per like uh from. a personal lens and perspective. So when. I was in my freshman year in high. school, I moved up to LA with my mom and. I by the time I graduated, I went to six. high schools and an adult school. That's.

actually I like barely graduated. And. what I will say is that one of the high. schools I went to go to different. schools so much. >> Um it just how it ended up functioning. So like my freshman year my mom went. through a divorce, my dad got arrested. So I have an interesting background. So. we there was that. >> lot of stuff. >> Yeah. Um, but I ended up actually going. to Venice High School one of these um, times and that was around my jun junior. year. And what the LA Unified School. District was doing at the time is. they're actually busing in kids from.

other parts of LA County. And at the. time, specifically in the early 2000s, there was a big issue with the black and. cho gangs in LA. And so, you know, what. was happening outside in the. neighborhoods was carrying on into the. school districts. And when you have gang. activity and like kids the only. opportunity that they have is like being. able to join a gang and that's it. You. know, they're never going to go to. college. They're never going to have the. opportunity. And so that carries on into. the education system. They're never. given a chance. And so I think in. Florida, we've been doing it right with. school choice. President Trump's been. pretty big on that. But being able to.

give students or their parents the. ability to send them to good schools. without gang activity outside of their. zip code, that matters and that does. impact people. >> And cracking down on gang activity. It's. so there was a kid that was shot in the. parking lot of my school. >> Yeah. And shot and killed. You could. actually pull up the article. Venice. high school school shooting. >> No, listen. You don't have to tell me. Venice was crazy. >> back at back before gentified. It was. rough. >> Yeah. And it's kind of getting crazy now. with homeless people. >> I haven't been back since I basically. left in. So when I was 19, I joined the.

military and then my mom ended up. leaving California with my little. brother and sister probably about like 5. years ago now. Venice is always such an. interesting part of LA. >> because it's like LA but really weird. like like weird people like interesting. >> LA is weird though as a whole. >> Yeah. But but Venice has like a surf. culture, you know, dog town. >> Dog town. There's a lot of people that. are artists that live there. That. affects the vibe of the place. Like. Venice in the '9s was really cool. >> Well, in the early 2000s it was cool,

too, but it was rough. I mean, I um. >> What's always been filled with crime? >> Well, I got jumped. Yeah. And when I was. Yeah. I got jumped in high school. I. swear like part of the reason why I'm. such a huge advocate for like standing. up to bullies is probably because of. that. Yeah. >> Damn. Venice was rough. >> Yeah. >> Back in the day. >> I had a buddy of mine who lived there. and the park where he used to take his. kid, uh, someone got shot in it. >> Yeah. >> And he's like, "Okay, great. Where do I. take my kid now? I can't, you know, >> honestly." So like seeing all that. though, like being able to see that and. then kind of tell that story. Like I do.

think that there's power in that because. people there's people that go through. that and like think like man I might not. be able to like be successful but that's. not true. You can always fight your way. out of it. I joined the military at 19. Best thing I ever did and I met a lot of. other people in the military who like. grew up in inner city Chicago or. wherever it was. They're able to go back. and help their family. And like to my. mom's credit, you know, my mom also has. like an incredible story, but she had me. at uh 20 years old single mom. U my dad. ended up eventually getting clean, but. my husband and I moved him in with us.

and then he got sober. And so that story. in itself, I think, you know, you tell. your story and it empowers other people, especially to be fighters and not just. give up. And I think. >> a lot of people have bad childhoods. >> Yeah. And and people aren't going to. tell you that. like no one's going to be. like, you know, but. >> but it's also great for someone to hear. a story like yours or someone who came. out of a similar childhood maybe that. they're having or maybe even worse than. they're having and you see what you've. been able to do like that's powerful to. people. >> Well, and and and it is and it's. powerful I think to an idea that would.

like to box certain people whether like. you're a woman or you're Hispanic into. this stereotype on like how you should. believe and think and vote. >> or you're poor, you come from a single. mom. I think that was one of the most. important things about Obama becoming. president. We heard like guy's comes. from a single mom and he became the. president of the United States. It was. like for a lot of people it's like okay. >> relatable, >> you know. Yeah. Well, maybe my life. isn't what I wished it would be, but. look what that guy's able to accomplish. Maybe I can do something too instead of. thinking I'm going to be a loser. forever.

>> Well, what was interesting is I shared. my story. So, like remember I told you I. started out as an activist. And I would. tell people this because, you know, I I. do feel like too at a certain sense when. you tell your story, you can share that. you're empowering other people to take. something and turn it into a positive. And within a like maybe a couple weeks. of me getting elected, I all of a sudden. started having this Washington Post. reporter reaching out to my family and. actually asked my mom um whether she had. proof that my grand my grandmother had. actually passed away HIV positive.

>> Oh god. >> And was harassing. trying to catch you. in lies. Yeah. And so they put out this. nasty, nasty article about me basically. trying to say that I had fabricated my. dad's incarceration record. They had. tried to say that I was a registered. Democrat in Washington. Like all this. stuff that was categorically false and I. had actually gotten contacted from like. my old. >> sergeant smear piece. >> Oh, it was terrible. But I had receipts. >> Oh. >> And so after this came out, I said, "No, hold up." And I actually gave Fox News. all of my stuff that I had and I was.

able to refute. And then Time magazine. had actually reached out and they said, "Would you mind if we conduct like an. interview on your background?" I said, "Have at it. Here's my information." Um, I had actually even gotten my DNA done. to like prove that I'm Hispanic because. of the fact that I'm lighter skinned. when I got elected. There was like this. controversy on how Hispanic was I and. like it was actually a thing. I'm like, I I'm not supposed to be like Speedy. Gonzalez with a sombrero running around, you know? It's like what am I supposed. to. >> That's so racist to ask how that's so. racist. How Hispanic. Isn't that funny. that that's the time where the left is.

allowed to be racist? >> Just like so crazy. >> That is such a crazy thing to say. How. Hispanic is she? >> How black are you? Exactly, >> Mr. Obama. You don't look that black to. me. >> It was It was crazy. But I actually gave. all this information to Time magazine. >> Can you imagine saying that to Obama? How black are you? >> When people would ask me, actually. mentioned that to a reporter actually uh. because of the fact that he's half white. and half black. And I said, "I'm sorry. Last time I checked, am I not allowed to. be white, too? Because there's this.

aspect of I wasn't Hispanic enough. because I'm white, but then also this. aspect of I'm not white enough because. I'm Hispanic. So, like, which one are. you? >> Oh, boy. That's so ridiculous. That's. such a ridiculous thing to ask. It's. like it goes in the face of what's. supposed to be about their principles. Their principles are supposed to be not. seeing color at all. >> Oh, there's the idea. They're going to. attack you and say you're pretending to. be Hispanic or that you're barely. Hispanic enough. >> I'm not Hispanic enough. >> What percentage are you? >> I'm half. >> That's 50 [ __ ] percent. That's so.

crazy. >> And then I had to explain though to our. reporter. I said, "Well, if my mom's. half and my dad's half, what does that. make me?" And she goes, "A quarter?" I. said, "No, that's not. >> I'm 3/4 Italian. Imagine someone telling. me that I'm not Italian." That's. hilarious. That's so racist. That's such a crazy. thing that they allow it as long as it's. coming from their side. >> And also too, if I were on the other. side, I'd probably be like a rock star. So, long story short, so this this. article comes out, Time magazine. investigates after doing like 20some.

hours on background. I gave them all the. evidence and they actually ended up. writing an article on me called the. influencer that came to Congress and. then named me as Time magazine's next. 100 most influential in the world. >> Well, that's nice of them. >> I'm just glad that it vindicated me. because it was not a fun spot to be in. It's just weird. >> You know, I know that it's always going. to be a part of politics, but it's so. disappointing as an enlightened culture. that we don't disavow that kind of. reporting and just and and recognize.

from both sides how detrimental it is to. finding out what's real and what's true. >> It's um it was done though because of. the fact that people like me. specifically don't meet a certain. stereotype. And so it was an effort to. discredit that effort. >> I get it. But it's like for people like. wondering, you know, why? And so like I. >> I think most people are going to know. why they did it. It's pretty obvious, but it's just bizarre that we allow it. as long as it's from our side. >> You know, progressives will allow like. the most devious behavior. It's from. their side. Republicans do the same.

thing, the most devious [ __ ] as long as. it's beneficial to their side. And. that's what's really stupid and we need. to disavow that. You could disagree with. someone, don't think they're the right. person for the job, vote against them. That's all great. But when you start. like deceiving people with false. depictions of who a person is and and. making up a bunch of stupid [ __ ] and. calling into question how Hispanic they. are, >> it's so ridiculous. >> Just stop. This is childish. It's like. this shouldn't be where we're at in.

2025. >> It shouldn't be where we're at as a. mature nation. You know, we're 300 years. old now. Figure it out. It was um I. think it was actually for my mom. especially like I've I've been through. the ringer politics so like I'm kind of. battleh hardened for it. I'm like oh. another hit piece like I don't care. U. but it was my mom and like what she was. subjected to and I was like you know my. mom is really cool like she put herself. through law school when I was in high. school like she left an abusive. marriage. She has come a long way and so. for like her to be treated like that I. was like it's just like one thing in.

politics like you leave the family out. of. >> it's immoral. It's gross and it's again. it's one of those things that we. shouldn't tolerate. We we shouldn't be. doing it. We shouldn't advocate for it. We shouldn't be happy if it's done. against the side that's ideologically. opposed to us. >> It's gross. >> It's gross. It's gross as a civilized. group of human beings that calls itself. a country. It's gross. >> It's gross. Like there's other ways to. do it, you know? We don't you don't have. to just be a [ __ ] all the time. >> I prefer debating on ideology tends to.

be the best, but people always Yeah. It's like in fighting. You can't like. just go and sucker punch someone. It's. kind of like the same thing. And that. was kind of they tried to sucker punch. me and I was like, >> well, it's also it's like Jackie Chand. you don't have to be fighting if if you. believe what you believe and you have a. rational argument. You can have a. conversation. >> And this some seems to be something that. people don't want to do anymore for some. weird reason. They want to just stick to. what they think, stick to what they. believe, and they don't want to hear a. rational opposing viewpoint because. they're so married to their stupid.

ideas. It was it's a lot interesting how. Congress functions when the cameras are. off and I think people would definitely. change their opinion because a lot of. people will do it for clicks ratings and. social media has not helped with that. because people are looking for what can. go viral next. There's like this viral. theory that people you know they think. that they can only be successful in. their policy or their argument whether. it's committee hearings or whatever they. want that clip that they can post and. then get notoriety for. So social media. has been both a blessing and a curse in.

this social media sphere because or in. the political sphere because you can get. your information out directly to the. American people using it and refute bad. information, but then there's also this. aspect of like I wish people could see. the conversations that h take place. behind the scenes because it wouldn't be. so inflammatory basically is what I'm. saying. >> That makes sense. Well, full. transparency will come with the chip, Anna. Just put the chip in your brain. >> No chips. >> Everybody will have full transparency. Um it seems like this whole uh thing,

your whole journey in becoming involved. in politics has been pretty stressful. Is that. >> It's definitely not something I want my. son to do. >> Is is it what you thought it was? What. did you think it was going to be like. before you got in and what was different. once you got in there? >> So when I first started out in politics, I started out as So I joined the. military at 19. I paid my way through. college. I wanted to be a doctor. So, I. got into a med school program at SGU in. Grenada, and I was supposed to go to. that and then I kid you not, like the.

day before I was supposed to leave, I. got recruited to work for a nonprofit to. basically help lead out um Hispanic. activism nationally. And I thought. that's how I could make a difference. And then I realized that as part of that. job, they were putting me on television. I had a booker. And so, I was talking. about stuff happening, but it was more. more the commentary on inflammatory. things. I actually wanted to address. what was happening with human. trafficking and I actually requested the. state department's report. I was a big. activist with I was working with the. nonprofit at the time and I realized.

that they only wanted me to talk about. what was getting them the ratings. And. so I did realize I was like well they. keep though talking about what people in. DC are doing. So if I want to change the. discussion I have to go to Washington to. do it. So I called my husband. I was. like uh we're going to run for office. He goes what do you mean we? >> Yeah. What do you mean? I was like, "Well, from what I gather, everyone, it's like a team effort." And it's. totally true. If your spouse isn't on. board, good luck, cuz politics is nasty, >> right? >> And so, he ended up um basically. figuring it out with me. And for someone. like me, there's no how to manual how to.

run from off. It's usually family, like. literally family affairs where like. people like their parent did it or they. have like a direct immediate tie to it. So, I figured it out and now that I'm in. office, I'm realizing that I can make an. influence uh impact to an extent with. some influence, but it would be a lot. more helpful if there were 10 other of. me. And so, when I'm done in office, I'm. going to help recruit younger candidates. that have the ideological perspective. that I do to run them. And then I'm.

going to help do things for them behind. the scenes to help get them in. >> You're going to be a mastermind behind. the scenes. to help. >> just it just seems like a a a super. broken process. >> It's not. So, I've traveled a lot. I've. seen a lot a lot of other parliaments. I'm a member of the House Democracy. Partnership Institute. I've gone to a. lot of countries and we still have the. best system. >> I believe that. >> Yeah. But we need. >> that. But I I still believe it's a mess. >> It's a mess though because good people.

don't want to run. They have to. >> Young people have to run. It's also a. mess because the people that have been. in positions of power for so long are so. set in their ways and are so deeply. ingrained in the system and all the. tentacles of all these different special. interests and all the money that's all. connected to all these decisions is so. it's it's just so un it's I don't know. if it's possible to unwind all that. stuff. >> It is if you have enough fresh blood. So. like how do you shock a system, right?

And you need to infuse it. And so right. now we have an interesting time period. because we have a division. So like. going back to kind of the. declassification efforts that we've been. working on for the first time in US. history you have an aspect of the. government that's being transparent and. releasing information. Like we're. helping wherever we can on that. But. that is only possible because the right. people with the right mindset were. appointed in those agencies to be able. to try to force the system to do. something. But there's this aspect of. that's just the executive branch, but. you have the legislative branch. And the.

legislative branch needs younger people. that want to do this because they truly. believe in fixing the system. And you. and you cannot be a pessimist in this. job or else you will go crazy. >> Yeah, I would imagine. >> you would go crazy. So you have to be an. optimist and understand that there is a. solution for it. And going back to kind. of like those like little quantum. breadcrumbs, I've had enough stuff. happen where I know I'm on the right. path, but I also think that, you know, part of what I'm supposed to do is like. to help other people do this. So, I'm. going to help kind of execute that. mission. >> How much longer are you going to be in.

office? >> I don't know. But not definitely in the. next 10 years, I promise you, I'm going. to be with a beekeeper and a flip phone. and that's it. >> No, no internet. Just off the. >> grid. Well, if I'm still doing a. podcast, then let's talk. Tell me about. the Hopefully then we'll know UFOs are. real. Well, they've already landed. >> At least we'll get some declassified. stuff, right? >> Hopefully, we'll have no Remember back. when we didn't know who killed JFK. >> Yeah. Well, now we know. >> All right. Well, thank you very much for. being here. I really appreciate it. It. was fun talking to you. >> Thank you, Jeff. >> Bye, everybody.

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