Joe Rogan Experience #2364 - Brandon Epstein

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. with guys who had on. fall into the camp who had their YouTube. channel deleted and were talking about. like wellness like doctors talking about. co stuff. >> There was a bunch of doctors that had. their their YouTube accounts deleted. >> Really? >> Yeah. It was a weird time, you know, it.

was it's a weird time. The um the world. of medicine is interesting because. you've got so many positives, right? Like people are healthier, they live. longer today than they ever have been. before. If you get certain diseases, they have cures for it that didn't exist. before. But there's financial incentives. involved in prescribing medications that. maybe people don't [ __ ] need because. they can make more money if more people. take these drugs. And that's the.

problem. Like there's. >> we got to separate the baby from the. bathwater and know what to throw out, right? And it's you you can't throw out. medicine. Like that's crazy. It's. amazing. Like what these pharmaceutical. drug companies in coordination with all. these brilliant scientists have created. is the greatest medicine system the. human race has ever known. At least. probably. >> as long as maybe the Mayans knew some. [ __ ] Like you know what I mean? Like. some magic back then. >> Yeah. Maybe some like civilizations that. collapsed because the Europeans gave.

them all [ __ ] smallox. Ironically, >> who knows what the Egyptians knew, you. know? Who knows what those people knew. about health and about medicine. But. what we know today is that there's. incredible stuff that comes out of the. pharmaceutical drug companies, but also. they [ __ ] lie to you. They also. they'll publish fake studies or not fake. studies, but they they'll publish. studies that they've engineered to be. successful even though they're not going. to be. They'll hide data that shows that. it causes side effects. They want to.

make money and it's not the people that. are making the medicine. That's what's. crazy. Like the people that are making. the medicine are [ __ ] geniuses. It's. the money people. It's always the money. people in everything. And that's the. same thing with YouTube and that's the. same thing with everything. It's the. money people. >> And there's there's when you have a. giant corporation, you have like all. kinds of stuff going on, but the number. one thing that's going on is everybody. has to make more money every quarter. >> And that's where it gets nutty.

>> Yeah, it does. And we also live in a. culture that wants that like fast food. experience, right? Oh yeah. >> Shortcut. And so it's we're so. susceptible to it. >> Yeah. >> Right. For everything, for weight loss, to any issue you have. >> We're experiencing it a little bit in. the comedy community because uh and this. is, by the way, this is like a normal. thing that happens to young comedians. They want to be further than they are. Maybe they think they deserve more than. they're getting. They think they deserve. more shows, better spots on shows. And.

it it does happen. And then there's. also, you know, like there's a. competitive drive involved in it. So. there's a little bit of delusion, a. little bit of a competitive drive. It's. very similar, I would imagine, to. fighters. >> Mhm. >> First of all, we just tell everybody, success code, you're a mind coach. >> Yes, sir. >> You uh worked famously with Sean Brady. Yes. Who I love. >> Yeah. Talked about a little bit. >> He's a [ __ ] animal. >> Yeah. He's fun. He's fun. And he's got like. extra muscles on his back. I don't know. what the [ __ ] that guy does, but he.

looks like a turtle. tooth is coming to. life. >> We were all talking about it the other. day. We're like, he looks like a turtle. Like he's got like a shell on his back. So just just jacked muscle. Like I know. what that is. Like when I see a guy like. that, I'm like that guy squeeze your. [ __ ] face into jello. >> Like he's scary. >> He's so strong. And what he did to Leon. Edwards was like, "Holy [ __ ] man. That's a world champion." And to do it. that decisively on a world champion, like he's completely turned a corner. He. was always awesome, but he post the Bal.

fight completely turned a corner and a. lot of that success he uh he attributes. to you. >> Yeah, it's interesting. He talked about. this openly, but after the Bal fight, that's when we started working together. and it was because I think this happens. to a lot of fighters, a lot of high. achievers is he built this identity of. being unbeatable, >> right? So all his belief that was wired. around who he was was I am unbeatable. And so when he lost, everything. shattered.

>> And so he was broken. He didn't know how. to pick up the pieces after that. It was. like, how is this possible? I believe. I'm unbeatable, but then I lost. And so. we literally had to go into his nervous. system. And it's almost like clearing. out almost like we're doing surgery at. an energetic level of clearing out all. the [ __ ] around these new beliefs. that are starting to form like in the. confusion of like, I am beatable. Am I. going to lose my next fight? And we had. to clear all that and bring them back. into that state of being of I'm. unbeatable again. And how did you learn how to do all. this? Like what's your background? >> Yeah, so I was a college football player.

and uh my freshman year in college, I. rode the bench and I was looking for. solutions. I was a typical meatthead. The most important things for me was. getting jacked and playing football. Like I was literally at a supplement. shop looking for pro hormones. This is. me at 18 years old just [ __ ]. hypertensive big neck. And by the way, they used to sell some [ __ ] People. don't know. Basically steroids at local. supplement stuff. There was this stuff. that I took once, the strongest [ __ ] I. ever took in my life. I think it was.

called Mag 10. >> Do you remember that? Do you remember. that? >> Mag 10. But I was. >> It was bananas. It was full on steroids. And after I got off it, my dick was. like, "What are we doing? We don't have. any more testosterone left.". >> That was me. >> It took it for like eight weeks. It was. crazy. I think I gained like 15 pounds. And I couldn't believe you just buy it. from a store. I'm like, "This can't be. that good if you're just buying." And. someone told me about it. And I was. like, "Really?" And they're like, "Yeah, you have to try this. There it is." Is. that it? >> I don't know. That's the 20. >> anabolic dominance.

>> Bam. I don't know if that's the stuff, but you definitely can't get that. anymore, can you? >> They just keep banning. >> what's in there. >> But here's the other thing about what's. in there. Says who? >> Yeah. Right. >> Says who? Who's checking it? We had a. problem with uh my company with Onit. when we first started. We were we would. send stuff out to third-party labs to. get it analyzed, right? And we were. finding all sorts of things in it that. aren't supposed to be in there, like. different vitamins, creatine, all kinds. of [ __ ] that's just not supposed to be. in there. Like, why is this stuff in.

there? This doesn't make any sense. And. this is what you hear about with tainted. supplements with fighters all the time. So what happens is we found out that. some of these companies that mix your. products for you, say if you have like. some B3 K2 supplement, you put them all. together, they're mixing them in the. same bin where they're making steroids. They're mixing them in the same bin. where they're making creatine. Like they. don't give a [ __ ] if the residue just. like. >> if you're shipping that [ __ ] overseas, they're just they don't give a [ __ ]. Okay? They probably don't even want to. be working there. They're probably like. held at their against their will. Yeah.

like who knows what how where this. factory is. And so we had to upgrade our. factories and we had to we had to figure. out where the the most ethical sources. are and make sure and then we had a. third party test again and make sure. we're on the level. But that's a real. problem. So if you're buying something. like that, they can tell you whatever is. in there. They'll [ __ ] throw Viagra. and Dball and who knows what's in there. Who like just because it says what it is. on the label. There was there's that's. the wild thing about supplements, right? There's no FDA proposal, right? They.

figure out that like someone reports it. and then they get rid of it and then. whack-a-ole the next one pops up. They're like, it's pretty much the same. thing but different branding. >> Yeah. In some ways it's good, right? Because you can get all these vitamins. when have to get a prescription because. we all know the efficacy of vitamins. It's legit. But in other ways, it's like. I read something about Amazon, and this. is crazy if it's true, is that I think. it was like 30% of the supplements on. Amazon were forgeries.

>> Yeah, I think I've seen people putting. fake labels and stuff and making it look. just like it. >> Look into that. >> See what See, find out what the number. is. And by, you know, I don't know how. they even determine that number, but. it's not zero. And so, I stopped buying. supplements from I buy [ __ ]. everything from Amazon. and I stopped. buying supplements from them. I would. get like pure encapsulation stuff and I. was like I don't know I don't know if. I'm getting it from the company so I. just buy it from the company now. >> So where do you buy it to know it's like. pure is that good good? >> Well that company Pure Encapsulations is. really good. I have no affiliations with.

them but I I use their stuff all the. time. >> I think a lot of people have that. question though. Like for me it's like. you just see 100 brands on Amazon. You're like well which one's actually. legit? Cuz you know some of them are. trash. We just got to find a company. that has like a great history of a bunch. of people that have tested their stuff. and that use their stuff. And Pure seems. to be one of those companies. I mean, there's a I'm just using that name. because I use it, but there's a ton of. like super legit supplement companies. where, you know, if you're going to get. 10,000 milligrams of D3, that's exactly.

what it is. Yeah. They're just above. board. They know what the [ __ ] they're. doing. Like everything else, man. like. you can get the shittiest car in the. world or you can get a [ __ ] Mercedes. You know, they know what they're doing. >> Well, you know, people are listening to. podcasts like this, we're just kind of. like listening to influencers in a way. It's like, oh, Huberman, well, I trust. you. So, you have supplements you. represent. All right. >> Well, Huberman is honest and that's the. most important thing. >> That's what we do now, right? We're. looking to these it could be doctors, but these people who we put our trust.

in. It's like that's kind of like the. bar that we're setting for like, "All. right, I'm going to trust you.". >> Honestly, like that is everything. Yeah. >> Right. And including for yourself like. when everything falls apart like what. happened with Shawn after the loss to. Bal like that the thing in your head. like what it is is what it is man you. know like Max Holloway says it is what. it is. He always says that it's a. beautiful way to look at life really. It. sounds simple. >> but it is what it is. Like you're not. going to change it by freaking out about. it. You're not you're not going to. This.

is what it is. That guy was better than. you. So, how are you gonna what are you. going to do? How you going to improve? What what did you do mentally that was. different? Was there decisions that you. made during the fight? Was there. something going on? And if you can't be. honest with yourself, you're not going. to improve. But if you can be honest. with yourself, it can make you stronger. >> Yeah. >> You know, there's a lot of guys that. have gone through losses and came back. way more dangerous. And there's other. guys that go through losses and there. maybe they didn't go through a process. like yours or maybe they had a little.

some self-belief issues already and you. know and they were kind of manifesting. themselves before the podcast. Maybe. they were starting or before the fight. rather, maybe they were starting to get. imposter syndrome, you know, like some. fighters get imposter syndrome. They. start winning and they're like, there's. no way I can be the champion. This is. crazy. >> And there's a governor, right? Like a. governor in a car that comes up where. it's like, all right, I can be. successful up to this level, but. anything beyond this is not safe. >> It's scary. Yeah, it's scary. >> But it's like that that real anim. animalistic primal part of yourself that.

comes out and goes, >> I couldn't even constantly tell you why, but like I can't go there. Like I can't. get to that level of success. If I do, I'm going to tear it all down. And we. see people do that in. >> everything. >> Everything. >> Well, it's a it's a weird fear for. people that are trying to be successful. because they're listening to this and. they're like, that doesn't make any. sense. >> Like, why would you? It's cuz the. pressure of maintaining it. Especially, I think, if you came from nothing. because if you came from nothing that. you realize how lucky you are and you. realize that, oh my god, look how. successful I am. I'm a world champion.

now or I'm in whatever you do in life. Yeah. And then you start thinking, "What. if I [ __ ] this up?". >> Yeah. What if I can't keep it up? >> What if I can't keep it up? What if it. all goes away? >> Yeah. >> And I What am I gonna do? What am I. gonna do? What am I gonna do? And you. start freaking out. And then if you go. on social media, you start reading. comments about yourself. So for. fighters, that's a real problem. Yeah. >> There's a lot of fighters I see arguing. with people. [ __ ] you, [ __ ] I'll smack. you. Like, don't do that. You are. wasting so much energy. You I'd rather. you do heroin than do Twitter if you're.

a fighter. like get off there. >> But what we want to do is we want to get. to a place where they're matterof fact. about what they read, which sounds like. almost impossible for a lot of people. who are listening right now. Like what. do you mean? This person's talking [ __ ]. about me. But Brady is matter of fact. about this now. Like truthfully, he's. wired in a way that where if someone. starts to talk some [ __ ] about him, he. can laugh about it. He can just matterof. factly not be emotional about it. >> But it's also because he's on a hot win. streak right now and he looks awesome. and he's super confident. He's got a lot. of momentum on his side. It's a.

compounding of the belief from the. physical experience and then the belief. that we've we've wired into him. Right. >> So, it's both of those together, right? It's like the perfect perfect confluence. of those two factors come together. >> Right. Right. Right. And then the. confidence that comes from these wins, especially the the last one. I mean, God, he looks so good. He looks so. dominant. And to do that with a guy like. Leon who, you know, we saw those Usman. fights, you know, we saw him knock out. Usman. He's really good, man. And for.

Shawn to do that was like, wow, that's a. big turn of the corner. Not just a. little turn, just a giant turn of the. corner. >> But stylistically, that was kind of a. fight made for Shawn though, don't you. think? >> Well, it could be until you take into. consideration the second Kamaru Usman. fight because Usman couldn't take him. down. >> That fight was primarily a stand-up. fight because Leon's takedown defense. had gotten so good. And I I think there. was that bump in confidence after the. knockout and he really felt like the. champion now. So for Bal to just step in.

and put a stop to all that and then you. know to see then him lose the title to. Jack Dela and then see what Shawn just. did. and you you look at the whole thing. you're like what a crazy shark tank of. all these killers. Leon Edwards, Bal, Muhammad, Dela Matalena. Now you got. Islam Makachev in there and it's like. who can keep it together the most is a. giant factor. >> Yeah. >> Giant factor.

>> I know you don't really follow football. but like this is like the SEC in. football, right? It's the division has. Alabama, LSU, Texas. It's like. >> they're all killers. So any given night. anyone could be anyone and it's just. like who's going to show up and execute. the best and that's what it comes down. to. >> And then you got Michael Venom Paige. who's like the biggest puzzle in the. entire sport. Like he's also a 170. >> Yeah, >> that guy. Good luck. Good luck training. for that guy. Like just good luck. Good.

luck. Super tall welterweight who moves. like nobody who is a world point. fighting champion. Like that is a. totally different thing. That port point. fighting thing. Have you ever watched. that [ __ ]. >> No, I haven't. >> Okay. Michael Venom Page was at one. point in time the best karate point. fighters. And the way karate point. fighters fight, they stop after one. person gets hit. It's kind of like an. elite form of tag with lethal weapons. >> Like these guys are [ __ ] good at.

these launches forward and blitzes and. they're really good at getting out of. the way because guys are blitzing at. them all the time. So because of the. style of the competition, they developed. this very unique skill set of being able. to close the distance extremely fast. with a lot of lot of distance in between. them and land very unpredictable shots. Like he's super creative and he also. knows how to wrestle now and he also. knows jiu-jitsu now. So like now he's a. mixed martial arts fighter, but he's got.

this one skill set that's crazy unique. And I always said that's the thing. that's missing in MMA because we see. what happens when you get like a really. elite boxer. We've seen what happens. with a really elite kickboxer, a really. elite jiu-jitsu guy or a wrestler. We. haven't seen really elite point fighter. who learns all those other skills cuz. it's a different thing. It's not like. like you know Pereira fights. He's not. moving around a lot, dude. He's coming. right at you. There's not a lot of. dancing and there's not a lot of you. know [ __ ] there's not a lot of.

>> finesse. He's just. >> San Hagen moves. You know, Sanhagen is. like constantly giving you different. looks and overloading your mind. Pereira. is stalking you, right? It's very. >> what MVP is doing is something totally. different. Like you can't even touch. him. He's he's hitting guys like guys. that have like a lot of experience in. the UFC. He's hitting him with shots. they don't see coming. They can't hit. him. Kevin Holland was like, "Where the. [ __ ] is he? I can't even find him. This. is nuts." The guy just launches himself.

out. you, pops, you cracks you, and then. he's gone. And you're like, "Okay, he's. moving way faster than anybody you've. ever fought before, and covers way more. distance, quicker than anybody you've. ever fought before." It's like the. difference between someone who uh is. like standing in front of people and. knocking sticks and an elite fencer, >> you know, you ever see those elite. fencers? They dive forward. They dive. forward and crack you. This guy can do. that with like knockout shots. >> That's wild. because this is him when he. was an uh elite karate fighter. So, this.

is point fighting. This is what it looks. like. It's really weird because the. judges make decisions after each. contact. But. >> Raymond Daniels here, >> this is Raymond Daniels who's also uh he. was an elite point fighter who then went. on and had big success in Glory and also. big success in Bellator because of that. style. It's like a nutty style. He pulled off one of the greatest. Raymond Daniels pulled off one of the. greatest KOs I've ever seen in my life. in kickboxing. It was a jumping side.

kick that in midair he turned into a. spinning back kick to the face. >> It's I've I've done it to a bag before. I've never done it to a human being. And. for him to do it to a human being in. glory. Now see if you you find the. kickboxing one. It's from Glory that. this is the nutty one where he did like. a 360°ree punch. Watch how crazy this. is. You play that because that's what. that was. What you just had. Watch this. punch. So he hits him with this spinning. back kick to the body. He lets him get. up. Now watch this.

>> What is that? That is bananas. He ballet. punched that dude. >> That's like anime. It's like Dragon Ball. Z stuff right there. >> If that was in kick like Mortal Kombat. like get out of here, [ __ ] That [ __ ]. would never work. But I want you to find. his his uh kickboxing KO. I wish I could. remember the gentleman he was fighting, but the guy who fought is legit, too. And he hit him with a jump sidekick, spinning back kick to the face in the. air. So, it's like that is a different. thing. >> Mhm. >> You know, Uncle is not going to do that.

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They're leaping in and and cracking you. with [ __ ] You're like, "What? What? What the [ __ ] is this? So, I know boxing. a lot better than I know UFC. I'm just. getting more into UFC recently. What. where's this guy in his career right. now? >> He's really high level. Um, in the UFC, he's got to be top 10 in the. welterweight division. Um, but he like. he shuts people down, man. He shuts. people down in a wild way that I you you. just don't see much. The only person who figured him out was.

Ian Garry. Ian Garry outgrappled him. He. just got a hold of him and grappled him. But watch this. Jump sidekick. >> This is This is so bananas, dude. Watch. this. >> Boom. Isn't that nuts? >> Jump sidekick to the body and then. midair turns in a spinning back kick to. the face. I mean, >> not everybody can do that. But when a. guy can do that, if you don't know that. he can do that, you can get [ __ ] up. >> Like this. Raymond Daniels can do some. wild [ __ ] man. And again, he's pulling.

it off against elite kickboxers. >> Yeah. Unbelievable. >> I mean, he had a couple of losses where. they figured him out. Like Joe Valtini, he's the first guy like really. brutalized his legs. Brutalized his. legs. He just had a high guard move. forward. And Valtini is like very. classic like hardnosed kickboxer. A lot. of low kicks, strong punches. He just. kept breaking down his legs to the point. where he just couldn't walk and then he. head kicked him. >> It's pretty powerful. So that style can. be figured out. You know, MVP lost in um.

he fought Douglas Lima in Bellator and. got stopped in that fight because just. Douglas was a beast at the time and and. KO'ed him. But it's just like that is a. different puzzle, man. >> Yeah, >> it's a different puzzle. >> It's crazy. I just love the fact that. there's guys like that now in this sport. where you're looking at this sport. that's like 30 plus years old now and. there's still guys that are complete. innovators that are coming in when the. whole thing's changing. You're like, "Wow, okay. All right. Now, now we're.

doing that. Now we're doing front kicks. to the face." You know, evolution. Now. we're doing calf kicks all of a sudden. Like Bisping went his entire career. without getting calf kicked. >> I mean, that's nuts. Yeah. >> When you think about that, that's crazy. He's a world champion. went through his. entire career, no one calf kicked him. That's how weird the sport is. But I. think what separates the guys is not. just technique. It's it's not just being. a specialist in one very particular. area, which is obviously a huge factor,

but also the mind. And a lot of guys. don't want to get help in that because. they think that if they consult a sports. psychologist, they're a [ __ ]. >> Yeah, 100%. being vulnerable makes me. weak. >> Yeah. >> Right. That's a core belief for a lot of. guys. >> And so when you believe that to be true, you're not going to create weakness. within yourself, so you're not going to. seek it out. >> Exactly. >> And there's also a big stigma around. like guys in profession like anything, right? >> Yeah. >> There's like a range to comedians,

right? There's a range people who do. what I do. There's. >> there's kind of [ __ ] who do it in a. way, right? There's like people who are. very like soft. >> Be in touch with your feelings. >> Yeah. Yeah. like the too far to like the. woo or too far to like, hey, I'm going. to follow this textbook where really. this work is it's art at the end of the. day. What we're doing is like it's a. it's something you feel your way through. and it requires years and years of. practice to get to any level of mastery. >> That's interesting. You're talking about. like managing your brain as art.

>> Yeah. Well, because it's it's not just. the brain, it's the nervous system. It's. the whole body. It's the energy body. system, right? So, we're talking about. you've heard of like meridians, right? That run through the body. >> Is that all real? the chakras. >> I hear about that, but those those are. things that I hear about and I go I'll. wait to talk to somebody about it that's. a scientist. >> You could you could call it whatever you. want, right? We all feel like a everyone. feels anxiety right here like in their. solar plexus. >> Yeah. You kind of feel it in the center. of your body. Right. >> Right. Boom. Right here. >> Like. >> it's this is the patterns I see with all. these elite guys I'm working with. It's. like I can just my awareness with them.

is I can just feel the same thing they. can feel. >> Don't you think that's probably. constricted breathing though? Like. constricted breathing that's where you'd. feel it? You can feel it. >> I would say constricted breathing is a. byproduct of like a blockage in their. body and they just feel it. >> Don't you think it's adrenaline though? It's a giant adrenaline dump. And it's. also there's an anxiety that comes with. that if your mind starts spinning out of. control. Like do you do you train? >> Uh I used to train boxing. Yeah. >> Have you ever done jiu-jitsu? >> I haven't done jiu-jitsu. One of the. things that happens in jiu-jitsu when.

guys first get started, like say if a. guy has like maybe a distorted idea of. how tough he is and he's like a big. strong muscular guy, there's a th those. in particular for whatever reason seem. to have a real problem when they grapple. with a really good guy where they get. pinned down and then they get like side. controlled and mounted and they start. hyperventilating. I've seen it I've seen. it like several times from people that. have never trained before but the real. buff and they maybe have this idea of. who they are and that that idea is.

getting shattered like just shattered by. a guy that doesn't even look impressive. you know but he's just manhandling you. >> and the the hyperventilating thing to me. seems like a bunch of stuff. It's like. the battle with reality. This can't be. happening. Oh my god, this is happening. There's the forgetting to breathe. There's the elevated heart rate. There's. the dump of adrenaline. There's all. these different things. >> It's all connected. This is like a. uh a domino effect, right? Like the. constricted breathing, the not being. able to think clearly, it's all a domino. effect. And kind of how I operate is.

like the belief is the thing that starts. a domino. >> Right. >> Sure. >> And so if your belief is being destroyed. at that moment, that's what creates that. domino effect of the body and the. nervous system reacting the way it does. >> Right. >> And so belief is formed in one of two. ways. One is just it's formed through. life experience, right? like the. Gogggins of the world. He's a very rare. person who just builds belief off of. doing it. >> Yeah. >> How many guys are like that in the. world? >> By the way, shout out to my brother. David Gogggins who just completed the. Bigfoot 200.

>> Let's go, Gogggins. >> That dude that dude has no knees, ladies. and gentlemen. He's got no knees and he. just ran 200 miles through the [ __ ]. mountains. Did what? What did he do it. in like 60 hours? It was posted today. >> Find out what his time was. This dude. has no knees. Like I don't run. My. knee's pretty good. >> Well, that's in comparison. >> I feel like that's an example of how. belief can actually break reality of. what's supposed to be possible, right? >> Well, it it certainly broke it in the. eyes of his doctor. His his doctor when.

they first saw his knees cuz he didn't. go in for anything for a long time. When. the doctor first saw his knees, he was. like, "I can't believe you can walk on. these legs. Forget about run thousands. of miles. Like, this is nuts." He was. not just bone on bone. His bone was. distorting. So, because it was rubbing. bone on bone, it was like forming these. like little mushroom curves at the end. of it. It's like a it's a type of a. there's a name for it like that. distortion. It's called wolf something. or another. He said they it's like.

theoretical like they'd never seen it in. a person before like this. >> So, like all right, if that exists like. that could work but it shouldn't. Like. we've never seen it. >> Maybe that doctor said it. I should be. real clear on that because this is I'm. hearing it from David Gogggins. You know. what I'm saying? And I'm like what the. [ __ ] like he's telling me that they. told me it can never happen before. >> But regardless, he's he's breaking what. reality is supposed to be in a way, right? When you compare it to like a. very large sample size, >> he is David Gogggins is as much as you. would say this is crazy. He's ruining.

his body. Like he doesn't have to do. this. That's great. But what he's doing. is he's carrying a torch for. the human will. >> Yes. >> In a way that very few people have ever. done it because he's doing it publicly. He's doing it publicly. And that's why I. think it's so important and I I talk. about it all the time. >> about how nuts it is. This guy has no. [ __ ] knees and he's operating this. way. >> So what does it say? >> I was trying to find total I don't know. how they track it, but he was moving for. a total time of 2 days, 1 hour, and 7.

minutes. >> Oh, so he did it in two days. I I. thought I saw online. >> total. >> It took three days total. >> The 20 hours of stop time. That's like. your rest time. >> Oh, right. >> I don't know where they the overall 200. miles. It says it doesn't list it here, which would be the race tracking. >> It says when he started and when he. finished, right? >> It says he's finished. >> Oh, it doesn't say what time. >> Yeah. I don't know when this. >> Oh, is this all off the website or is. this. >> track leaders? >> Yeah. >> What place did he come in? 93rd. >> He's also 50. >> I mean, he's a freak, dude. But he's.

like carrying this torch for You might. not want to do what he's doing. Don't I. wouldn't do what he's doing, but I'm. saying it's kind of crazy that this guy. can at 50 years old can have these. endurance workouts with worldclass MMA. fighters like Israel Adosa and he's got. Izzy throwing up in a bucket and he's. not even breathing heavy and he does. like multiple of those workouts a day in. silence. He doesn't listen to music. No. one is telling him to do it. He's got no. coach. >> Yeah. >> Like he's out there, man. He's out.

there. He's just built it through pure. willpower. >> Yes. >> I would say most people, almost everyone. else in the world, they don't have the. ability to build that level of belief. through their willpower. >> I don't know if they don't have the. ability, but they don't do it. >> He's 23rd to finish. >> But if they don't do it, >> he was 23rd. >> His bib was 93. >> Oh, no [ __ ] That's amazing. >> 23rd place. 50 years old. No knees.

>> Crazy. What a monster. What a monster. Imagine that guy was after you. Like. what a monster. >> It's just it's beautiful. It's like the. a beautiful expression of will. >> because that's all it is. It's just the. will to go on, you know, and the. discipline to continue to train like. that every day and then every time you. test your will, you push it further. He's like, I'm in the lab every day. >> Yeah. >> Like he's literally learning more about. himself while he's doing this. So why do. you think, you know, millions of people.

read his book and then such a small. percentage of people can kind of. replicate that example he's setting? >> I don't think you want to replicate it. >> Not to his degree, but to any degree, right? >> Yeah. I think it exercise three times a. week. >> It moves your what your waterline is, right? It moves what you expect out of. yourself. Moves that up a few notches. because you know a guy like that's out. there. If you didn't think a guy like. that out there and you worked out at the. Y three days a week and no one else did, you'd probably be impressed with. yourself. You know, I'm about that. [ __ ] wide three days a week using the.

Nautilus machine. You It's all in who. you're comparing yourself to. And you. know, obviously I can't compare to David. Gogggins, but when I when I know that a. guy like that is out there in the world, it raises my own personal standard up a. notch. >> I don't I'm never going to hit where. what he does. I don't have the time. He's working up four or five hours every. day. It's crazy. I don't have that. commitment either. It's not what I'm. interested in. But him doing that has. like raised mine. When I look at like. Joo's Instagram and every day it says.

4:30 on his Timex. >> He like shows his, you know, he's got. one of those, what is that watch called? >> What's that watch that he has that. everybody wears? >> The digital Timex watch. It's a famous. classic. Iron Man. That's it, right? Is. the Iron Man. >> Yeah, I know what you're talking about. >> Yeah. This [ __ ] bulletproof watch. Of. course, that's what he wears. like 4:09. a.m. That's when he gets up to work out. every day. >> But guys like that, guys like you, you. guys are dogs, right? You want it. You.

get inspired by that. Some people, they. just feel deflated when they see that. level, right? They're just like, "Ah, >> God, that's. >> No, man. You got to embrace it. It's It. is deflating because you're so far from. the finish line. It's deflating, >> you know. >> But that's why there there are. fundamental ways to actually build. belief within yourself. like there's. steps to do it. >> And that's what really I want to drive. home for anyone who's listening to this. is that you can build belief and it's. not just. >> banging your head against the wall.

>> I believe you. Um I'm sure there's. systems to it and that's why I want. really wanted to talk to you. But the. the whole idea of the meridians like how. does that factor into it with you? Like. how do you what do you hang on this idea. of like meridians in the body? >> Yeah. So, I'll talk about how I came to. know them, right? So, I was playing. football and walked into the supplement. shop looking for my next pro hormone. >> Oh, that's right. I interrupted you. right there. >> Oh, good, bro. We came back circle. We. came back here like we needed to. So,

230 lb, 5'3 dude in there, just jacked. And I'm like, "Hey, what pro homeless do. you have?" And he looks at me, he's. like, you know, he's very like zen type. of dude. And he's like, "Why do you want. it?" And I was like, "I'm trying to get. on the football field. Like, what else. could I do? my meat head like I need to. get stronger. It's the only thing I can. do. And then he he's like, "How do you. feel?" Like, "How do I feel?" Like this. is me, 18 years old, atheist, don't. believe in anything. Biggest skeptic. you're ever going to meet in your life. And he's like, "I want you to try this.

exercise." And he has me just look off. into the peripheries of my eyes. >> How long had you known this guy by then? >> Literally meeting him and he just starts. going in on me. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Do you think he was trying to have sex. with you or anything? >> Well, we can get into that. Just. kidding. It's just an odd thing to go right into. meridians. How do you feel? Like, whoa. Trying to get jacked. >> Yeah. Well, he's just that type of dude. So, I I call him like a sensei now cuz. I've known. >> Oh, you know I'm still okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, no. So, I'm still. >> So, he's just a weird guy. >> He's a weird guy. Super weird guy.

>> A lot of guys would have their hackles. up, though. Like, what? How do I feel. like% Oh, no. First, I was like, "The. [ __ ] off me." You know, creatine, bro. >> Get the [ __ ] off me. You know what I. mean? Like that the [ __ ]. >> insecure male energy posturing up. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> I'm guy's trying to [ __ ] me. >> Wait. No, he just made everything feel. approachable to 18-year-old meatthead. So, he started teaching me these. breathing techniques like for. meditation. >> And he worked at a supplement store. >> He was working there at the time. He was. he was studying for his neuroscience. degree at a college. >> Wow. >> To get his masters. >> What a like like fortuitous coincidence.

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be like, "All right, I want you to. imagine breathing up your governing. meridian and your central meridian, which is like right on your spinal cord. and up the center line of your body.". He's like, "All right, breathe in deeply. here. How do you feel?" And I was like, "Ah, I. just feel more confident. I feel. stronger." So, he started just teaching. me how to do simple stuff like that and. then bring it onto like the football. field. I was a Dlineman and so I needed. to knock people over. Same thing as. martial arts, right? I needed to feel. grounded. So, I needed to connect to my. root chakra, which is, you can call it. whatever you want. I don't care. But. it's like the root part of your body,

the primal, you know, the ball sack area. down there, the goo that if you if you. can start to breathe into that area of. your body, you will feel more grounded. and you can actually become more. grounded. So I started using these. techniques just to play football. >> And by doing so, I was like, I don't. really care about studying the system. super in depth, but I was just taking. the tools that were useful to me, like. literally use these and. >> use them to get stronger, like to bench. press more. It was just breathing. techniques along with visualization and. they're just following this ancient. Eastern medicine.

>> How did breathing techniques help your. bench? >> So there's some breathing techniques I'm. sure you do in martial arts, right? You. put your uh tongue behind your teeth and. you can start to breathe in deeply. and if you start to visualize bringing. energy down through the crown of your. head and then meeting at time kind of. like in the. >> just below your belly button there, you. can just start to build more energy, more power. You're just focusing energy. That's all you're doing. And then if you. visualize yourself lifting the weight, you're going to lift it heavier. And so. >> how much heavier?

>> There's a bunch of research you could. look up um a tons of different. strength-based task studies that show. that visualization increases strength. Like for example, >> so that's just kind of a a kind of. visualization. You think that breathing. exercise? I was just stacking what was. known as like basic petlap imagery pet. ttle le imagery along with these. breathing techniques and visualizing a. specific way. >> Oh, I thought that when they say. visualization helps performance, I. thought it was like long term. I didn't.

think it was like right before they did. a thing. I thought I thought. >> I think it's both. >> like part of training. >> I think Okay, so there's two types, right? So there's like, for example, there's literally a study you could look. up and it's like a bicep curl. They did. the study. There's four different. groups. The first group just didn't do. anything. Second group just did bicep. physical curl. The third group did bicep. curl plus visualization of doing curls. The fourth group did just visualization. The group that did the just the bicep.

curl and the group that did just the. visualization performed the same. They. had the same increase in strength. And. the group that performed the best was. the one that did the visualization plus. the bicep curl. >> Interesting. >> And so there's a bunch of studies like. that that just show how when you just. stack these different tools together, they can be beneficial. Yes. In the. short term for like a fighter, for. example, like this is what I'm training. my guys when we go into fight camp every. single time. We're just training the. subconscious to be comfortable being in. the setting and just training the. subconscious mind, right? We're just.

wiring just digging in those grooves of. like this is what's going to feel like. this is going to be the experience and. just wiring it in a way of having. success. >> And then what I do is I notice I'm like. how do you feel? How do you feel? How do. you feel? As we go along here, it's like. oh there's doubt that's coming up. Boom. Let's go in there. >> Let's get rid of that. And it's not an. intellectual thing to remove doubt. It's. a feeling thing in the body. And. honestly, I I don't care what we call. it. We call it in the shakra. We call it. just feeling in the body. You say, "All. right, I feel doubt coming up right now. at this point in the fight." Why? Well,

I have this memory that's created this. scar tissue within my nervous system. right now because this has happened. before that I believe if I try to do. this, then something bad's going to. happen. I'm going to lose a fight, >> right? >> So, we need to actually accept that, right? Zen proverb, what I can't accept. won't change. So, you use these. breathing techniques to accept your way. through it. The body kind of relaxes. through it and then we let it go and. then we choose the opposite belief. And. that's the alchemy of the process. >> Do you know how many people were. involved in the study that showed that.

the visualization right before the. performance was better? Jamie, >> this is a different one. This is about. hip flexor. >> Hip flexors. Interesting. >> There's a bunch of them out there, though. >> Study whether mental training alone can. produce a gain in muscular strength. 30. male university athletes, including. football, basketball, and rugby players, were randomly assigned to perform mental. training of their hip flexor muscles, to. use weight machines to physically. exercise their hip flexors or to form a. control group, which received neither. mental nor physical training. The hip. strength of each group was measured.

before and after training. Physical. strength was increased by 24% through. mental practice. Strength was also increased through. physical training by 28% but did not. change significantly in the control. condition. Whatever that means. What. >> that just means that people who didn't. do anything. They didn't visualize and. they didn't do. >> Oh, in the control group. Yeah. Okay. The I get it. Uh the I thought they were. saying a different thing. Uh the. strength gain was greatest amongst. football players given mental training, mental and physical training produced.

similar decreases in heart rate and both. yielded a marginal reduction in systolic. blood pressure. The results support the. related findings of whoever that is that. giant name. >> Interesting. Very interesting. So it. definitely has an effect and um it it. seems like it definitely has a positive. effect right before you're performing. any kind of athletics. >> Yeah. And I think these studies are over. like at least a six week period of time. So if you want to see like strength. based tasks uh improve over time like.

they're incrementally getting stronger, right? It's not just then they're kind. of maintain that strength. I imagine as. long as they continue to do the. visualization. >> Yeah. I wonder. you know that's the thing is like most. people that go to the gym like most. people who are listening to this have. regular jobs. If they go to the gym they. don't go visualize. >> Yeah. This is peak performance stuff. we're talking about. >> Yeah. >> Right. This is pro alete. elite. >> Don't you if you're trying to get. better, like what way to you you want to. get better, this is good for you, too. Yeah. I know it sucks. You don't want to.

visualize your your kettle bell routines. and visualize your muscles growing. afterwards, but it might be worth a go. I'd like to hear from some people that. try it cuz if that kind of results, that's pretty crazy. >> That's pretty nutty, man. >> So, like like I'm saying, like I did. this stuff and then I actually abandoned. my football career because I liked it so. much. And I went on and did research. I. got a research grant just to look at the. effect of using some of these techniques. on bench press and performance and also. decreasing anxiety because for me. >> I realized when I was 18 19 I had crazy. anxiety. I was like, "All right, this.

stuff is helping." You know, >> call it meditation, hypnosis, whatever. you mean. If you can progressively relax. yourself, right? Sitting in a flow tank, right? If you can just do that, if you. can progressively relax yourself, your. anxiety is going to go down, your. cortisol levels are going to go down, >> the whole body's going to thrive. And. this is actually like connected to so. much that has to do with our health. Kind of come full circle is I see so. much other professional athletes come to. me with these injuries, the physical. therapists working on it, working on it, working on it. Nothing's happening. It's. just a nagging injury every single time.

If I can relax them enough and I can get. to the root emotional core of whatever. is creating this pain for them. And it's. usually emotional. It's actually like a. memory or some kind of mental block like. uh the governor is coming in, right? I'll see it some guys in like the lower. minor leagues. He's trying to go up to. the major leagues and it's like these. things will just start to express. themselves when they're just about to. get to that next level. And if we can. move through the emotional side of it, the pain disappears, >> right? But not in all injuries, right?

Like there's got to be like legitimate. injuries where guys blow their meniscus. out, guys have broken shin bones that. have to be reconstructed, >> stuff that can't be explained. Like a. lot of times, right, you go to the. doctor like, I don't know what your. issue is, right? That happens all the. time. >> Okay. Well, that's a different thing. I. mean, the the realities of physical. injuries that guys get from combat. sports training are real. Like if you. have bulging discs in your neck and your. arm goes numb, >> that's that's a real problem, you know? It's not just an emotional thing. >> Well, I'm speaking about things that are.

like nagging and you're doing the. physical therapy and it's not working, right? >> Okay. If that's you, then. >> Okay. So, yeah, we got to be specific, right? So, you're talking about like. weird stuff that does come up where. they're almost like psychossematic. injuries because guys are responding. badly to the pressure. >> and not even just the the pressure. It. could just be. it could be an injury that existed. before but it's just not healing. >> for whatever reason it's not healing and. it's just kind of recurring. If you can. get to the emotional root or keeps that.

like I have fun with this now. I always. look up whenever someone tells me their. injury I just look at chat GPT what is a. spiritual emotional connection to this. injury and it's usually right on point. I'll be like what do you think about. this? They're like oh yeah that's. >> spiritual emotional connection to but. not to like legit injuries like a broken. hand. Yeah. I mean, yeah, for sure. >> Like someone breaks their hand, they got. to get screws and plates in there. >> Sure. >> Yeah. That's not You can't look that up. on chat GBT. They're like, "He broke his. [ __ ] hand. It hurt.". >> I'll give you an example. Like I have so.

many of these, right? It might be like. someone has like a hamstring that just. nagging, right? A lot of athletes like, "Ah, I pop my hamstring, it just won't. feel normal again, right?". >> I look that type of stuff up. It's like, "All right, well, why isn't this going. away?" Or I work with like pitchers in. Major League Baseball. It's like my hip. It's like, well, why why is this coming. up now? And usually there's always like. some kind of root and if we can get to. it, we can relieve it. >> I bet there's a lot of guys, too, that. have if you think about making a living. with your body, you make a living in a.

sport with your body where you're. putting your body through explosive. movements that could blow joints out. So, there's always this anxiety that all. could go away. >> Yes. >> One twist of the ankle, one blowout. I. mean, look at uh people all the time. lose their careers in football and in. martial arts because they blow a knee. out or they blow their back apart. >> Bro, there's only like 10 core beliefs. that create fear in athletes I've seen. Like, there's not that many. And one of. them is the one you're pointing out. right now is like. >> life-changing injuries. >> Will I be able to sustain it? You know,

the core is like, will I be able to. sustain this or will I be able to. continue to do the thing that I love? Right. >> And of course, like, yeah, if you get. injured, then you're going to lose it. all. >> Did you ever talk to Weidman after he. broke his leg? I did. >> Did you? >> I did. Yeah. >> Does he openly talk about that? Are we. allowed to talk about this? >> Yeah. I mean, he gave me a testimonial, so I think he's he's pretty open. >> He gave him like online so he could talk. about it. >> Yeah. Put like a video testimony. >> He's one of the toughest guys that's. ever fought in the UFC. He's an animal. And that guy in his prime was [ __ ].

terrifying. >> Yeah. >> But that injury that he got is one of. the absolute hardest injuries to recover. from. that broken leg when they break. their shin in half like that. Very few. people ever come back. >> Yeah. >> I mean, there's one guy, I believe, that's a heavyweight in Bellator. It. happened to him and he's fighting again. and fighting well. >> I don't know his name. See if you can. find his name. But Anderson was never. the same after his. Tyrone Spong was. never the same after his. Weidman was.

never the same after his. just and. psychologically. it's got to be [ __ ] crazy to think. that you threw a super powerful kick. that broke your own leg in half and now. you're expected you went through a year. and a half of hell to try to just get to. the point where you can hit pads again. >> Yeah. >> And now you're going to go risk it. again. Might kick someone's knee again. and break your shin again and do that. again and then you can't walk again. >> What we're talking about is like that. just so it could be a physical scar.

tissue. It's that emotional scar tissue, you know? It's just like it's hard for. those thoughts not to come back into. your head of like I need to be extra. careful here. >> Well, they're reasonable thoughts of. course, you know, if you think about it. But it's like Chris had that style. Well, I mean that that kick that he. threw in Uriah Hall was full blast. I. mean, he [ __ ] ripped that kick. And. then when I heard that snap, I've heard that snap a couple of times. and it is the most horrible sound, man. The sound of a bone breaking, like a. person's bone breaking. It's like, oo,

[ __ ] It gets you like in every cell in. your body. Like, god damn, that's awful. >> I've seen it a bunch. I've seen it at. least half a dozen times. I've seen. people get a a bone broken. >> Yeah. It's traumatizing. >> Yeah. to come back from that is very. hard because we're talking about the. anxiety of always worrying about getting. injured and then you get injured from. maybe a kick you threw or Tim Sylvia.

Frank Mir Frank Mir bro broke his arm or. Frank Mir menitaro his spiral fracture. from that kamura like. coming back from something like that is. really hard. >> Yeah. >> But what do you do for a fighter when. you're trying to rebuild them? Do you do. you take. each fighter as a a unique project and. you just want to know everything about. them and how you know what what bothers. them about themselves? What bothers them. about their discipline? Like how do you.

do it? >> I'm going to explain what I do. It's. going to sound woowoo, but I also want. to contextualize it with the fact that. like I didn't believe in anything. Like. it's just just my experience of like. doing this stuff for 17 years now and. just seeing and feeling my way into this. art that now I speak about things that. the old me 15 years ago, 20 years ago. would be like, "Shut the [ __ ] up.". >> Right? But so what I do with any of my. clients is I bring them to a very. relaxed state. You know, like think of. custody motto, what he did with Mike. Tyson. Like that's what I'm doing with.

these guys, right? So I'm bringing them. almost into a hypnotic state and I'm. bringing them down into this place where. they finally let go. They're no no. longer trying to like keep me out, defend, keep up this like identity they. want to project into the world so they. can actually get to the insecurities. because. >> I don't touch any of the beliefs that. are working for them. >> If someone has positive beliefs, they're. successful. I don't touch any of that. stuff. All I'm trying to find is their. insecurity, their fear, their anxiety, their doubt. >> And so I'm just digging deeper and. deeper into their body until we start to.

like think about things they want to. achieve. And it's like, oo, what was. twitchy there? Right? something twitches. in them. It's like I'm feeling like I'm. getting angry now. Why are you getting. angry? Right? Why do we get angry? It's. cuz we're afraid and we're trying to. defend ourselves. And so if I find. something like that, I feel into it with. them. And then I ask him, I'm like, "What would what do you believe to be. true that make you feel this way right. now?" And if I sit there long and I hold. him in that tension, it'll eventually. come up. And through that, we can. release that belief. We can accept a way.

through it first. We can release it and. we can reprogram it. >> How are you setting this up? Is this. actual hypnosis? Are you doing like. hypnotic techniques? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And how did you learn how to do. that? >> Same guy. Sensei. >> Sensei. Does he have a cult? >> Does he have a cult that we could join? >> Oh, one of one. >> So, this guy taught you hypnosis. techniques as well. >> Yeah. Yeah. He taught me a lot of. different things. Hypnosis, NLP, timeline therapy, and then I didn't go. on and get a secondary degree. So, I.

studied the I created my own degree. I. went to a liberal arts school in LA. the. mental aspect of human performance, but. everything I was learning that was. helping me and my teammates, I was. learning outside of school. So, I was. like, I'm not going to go get spend. $200,000 and getting a secondary degree. when I'm learning everything else. outside of school. So, I've just. continued to go to workshops, learn, study with different people who know how. to do different techniques. And I that's. how I learn very kinesthetically. In the. same way, if you're doing martial arts, you're just trying to go to as many mass. you can who this guy jiu-jitsu, this guy.

kickboxing. That's just what I've done. I've gone and tried to find different. people who are really good at what they. do. And that's how I learn through doing. and actually experiencing the work on. myself first. If it works for me, then I. try it on my clients. If it works for. them, I just keep it going. And I just I. don't have one technique. I use many. different techniques. Whatever the. moment calls for, that's what I use. >> Are there even degrees that you could. get in human performance that would sort. of match the kind of studying that. you're doing? Is there anything like if. you went to a major university, do they.

consider human mental performance and. human performance whether it's in. athletics or chess or anything like that. where you have to really think through. things and deal with pressure do they. consider that an a discipline? Is that. something that they study? >> I think sports psychology um I think you. can get a. >> But isn't that sounds very rudimentary. It is like sports psychology versus. human performance. When you think about. this conversation that you and I are. having, we're one of the things that. we're talking about is the how important.

it is to have a mindset that allows you. to work your way through difficulties. and become successful at a thing and. just get out of your own way. Everybody. wants to do that. So, if that's a real. thing, why wouldn't that be taught in. every major university? >> They won't let you smoke the toe at. school. That's why. >> But. They don't have to specifically advocate. for it, but the kids are going to do it. anyway. But but what's important is that.

they should recognize that this is a. thing. >> Yeah. >> Like if it's a thing, if we all agree, and I bet any competitive athlete in any. sport has experienced anxiety and you've. had days where you felt amazing and you. performed amazing, and then you've had. days where you doubted yourself and you. [ __ ] up and you dropped the ball or. whatever you did. There's there's this. weird battle that goes on in the head. and it's all it has a giant result. whatever's going on in your head and how. you perform. >> Yes. And you always talk about where do.

ideas come from, right? Like where do. they magically come from? Mhm. >> I don't know where they come from. exactly, but I know how they're getting. filtered and it's just through the. beliefs because our belief system. deletes, distorts, and generalizes. information. And the fact that nobody, not nobody, but many people don't. understand how that filtration system. works just limits so many of us from. achieving what we want because we're. literally like you all know like the. girl who's like dated an [ __ ] and. she's like all men are [ __ ] right? She's deleting the story and.

generalizing like her best friend who's. married to an incredible guy, right? But. when you believe something, you. literally shape the world to make it. match it, >> right? >> Yeah. You You kind of do. Yeah. And if. you believe bad things, bad things will. happen to you. >> No. 100%. There's millions of pieces of. information that you can see, smell, taste, or touch in any moment. There's. so much sensory information. We can only. pick up on a few in our conscious mind. in any moment. So, that's where the. ideas come from. >> I also think it's interactive more than. we like to admit. >> Tell me about that. I don't think um you.

can manifest your own reality. but I think you have a part in the. process and the thinking part about and. the visual not necessarily visualizing. but staying on a path. >> Yes, >> there's there's an element that's going. on there that's affecting reality. itself. It's there's there's a weird. exchange of energy between human beings. and between reality itself that I don't.

think we've figured out how to measure. I don't think it's as simple as, you. know, life is a series of events and it. all takes place randomly and good luck. to you. >> The synchronicities are undeniable. >> Yeah, there's some stuff that's weird. There's some stuff that's weird that. makes me think without going full woo. woo maybe we just don't have a grasp of. the full spectrum of all the things that. are happening of all the factors at play. and how many of them have to deal with. you know we would air quote energy.

>> yes. >> you know that's where the woo woo comes. in. >> here's how I appeal to my rational mind. to make this make sense right. >> okay. >> so I think about beliefs are like the. code of our mind that's constantly. filtering in the information all this. code does is determine how I'm going to. feel. And that feeling is either either. going to make me want to go towards. something or pull away from it. >> Yeah. >> So, I just want my beliefs to push me or. pull me towards the things that I want. because it's going to lead to me. behaving in a way that gets to an. outcome. >> Yes. >> As simple as that.

>> Yeah. Well, that's logical. Um but. everybody's starting from a different. place, right? So, um there's some people. that are starting from a devastating. place of a lack of self-belief. >> Yes. And for those, it's just going to. be a longer journey. >> to get to some sort of positive outcome. But a lot of people just don't know how. to begin the first steps. Like they want. to. >> Like if you just have like no. confidence, you feel like [ __ ] You feel. like every day is garbage. Everywhere. you go, you think, "Oh my god,

everyone's going to hate me." There's a. lot of people that walk through life. like that. >> Yes. You want the first step? >> What's the first step? >> It's awareness. >> Awareness. >> Yeah. Set an alarm on your phone every 3. hours just to ask yourself, "How do you. feel?" Well, you feel like [ __ ] every. hour on the hour like I feel. >> But you got to sit in that, right? Because most people like cut themselves. off at like the the head and they just. stay in the thoughts, the negative. thoughts, but they don't actually go. into the feeling. So that's step one, >> okay? >> Just to sit in the [ __ ] pit of full. awareness of all the feelings. Then from. there, set another alarm for the next.

week that go, okay, feel what's coming. up and then ask yourself, what were you. focused on? Then you can start to take. some kind of ownership over like where. are those thoughts coming from? All. right. >> How is my focus creating the way that I. feel? Right? >> Uhhuh. >> And you can start to start you can start. to see your beliefs by connecting those. dots of like, all right, why is that. making me feel angry? So, you have to. feel first and then notice what you're. focusing on. And then you start to come. into this feeling of all right, well, I'm seeing it, right? It's the the four. stages of learning. You're getting to. this place of conscious incompetence. I.

see that I'm making myself self feel. bad. I don't know how I'm doing it. And. then you can go, okay, what if I started. to flip the focus and I started to build. that muscle? Because this is the way I. think about the mind and all these. things is it's a muscle just like the. body. You can start to train it. Your. mind just picks up on these patterns of. repetition. Just like striking a bag, just like anything else, if you do. something over and over again, right? You say the same things to yourself over. and over again, the repetition starts to. make its way down to the subconscious. level. Well, Huberman talked about that. that area of the brain that actually.

grows larger when you do things you. don't want to do and you build. discipline. So, it really is like a. muscle. >> So, you don't want to focus on the thing. that is good for you because it feels. like gh yucky. It's like I'm lying to. myself. But that's the exercise. Just. flip it. Just continue to flip it. >> But for some people, they don't know how. to get started with these thoughts like. without hiring a coach. >> I mean, does do you have it laid out in. the book? what what someone from the. start. >> is a literally playbook. Just do. everything in the second half of the.

book. It's a. >> what I'm getting to this is though like. you know you're dealing with a guy like. Shawn Brady. He's already tough as [ __ ]. He's already a you know elite MMA. fighter. He has this loss but he's. already a beast of a human being. But. when you're dealing with people that. don't have any athletic background and. you know maybe they just have a job and. they just have no [ __ ] confidence. when they're sick of it. They're sick of. like living life in this anxiety pit of. despair and they want to find a way out. There's got to be like multiple. different things that have to happen,

right? So, it's not just the way you. think, but there's also like actions. >> And I think. >> this is an action, right? Step into. awareness. >> Yes. >> Feel it. The next set of actions the. next week, step into awareness of what. you're feeling and what are you focusing. on that makes you feel that way. That's. another set of actions. But do you feel. like this is all possible for someone to. uh achieve without some kind of physical. exercise in coordination with it? >> Um exercise you talking about. >> It feels it seems to me that people with.

depression in particular like one of the. best cures for depression is regular. exercise. Any kind of exercise whether. it's joing go jog around the lake. whatever whatever you want to do. >> Well listen even before any of this is. low hanging fruits. Like in the book, I. take it I have people do an intake of. their life. And I have them also kind of. just look at all the lowhanging fruit of. like if you're drinking vodka bottles at. 7:00 a.m. in the morning. Like that's a. low hanging fruit you need to start to. find a way through. Drink one instead of. three, right? There's all these like.

small steps you have to take. >> Drink one bottle instead of three. Is. that what you're saying? >> You know, the tiny bottles. Come on. >> You know what I'm saying? Like this. >> If you're drinking vodka in the morning, like you've got bigger problems, >> bro. I've had clients who are like, you. know, highle executives that are so. stressed that they drink first thing in. the morning. I've had and I've helped. them get off it completely. But it. starts with something like that of like, all right, >> well, that's a big duh, right? But what. I'm getting at is I think if you want to. have less anxiety, you got to ring some. of it out of your physical body as well, and that'll help you achieve clarity.

You have to think about it like an like. a nutrient that you're taking or. brushing your teeth or doing some take. your medication. You have to really. think about it like that. And it doesn't. matter what kind of stuff you do. It. doesn't matter whatever you like to do. If you like to do yoga, you want to go. hike with a weight vest on, you want to. do push-ups in a a parking lot, do. whatever. Do do something. I couldn't. agree more. >> You just have to do something where you. push yourself because if you don't, >> your body stores up it seems like all. this anxiety. Yes. And the reason why I.

believe this, one of the reasons why I. believe this is like I've had some of. like the best mindsets ever in my life. after yoga classes and long stretching. sessions where I I'm working on. something. I'm just like, you know what? I'm going to stretch out here and I'll. just sit and stretch for an hour and a. half, two hours. And when I get up, I. feel wonderful. I feel like the world is. beautiful. I want to hug people. I feel. so peaceful. I love doing that like. right before I do standup. It's like one. of my favorite things is to really.

stretch out right before I do stand up. and I just feel so relaxed. It's so. different. So you're carrying around. actual physical tension that affects. your mind. That's why I think regardless. of. >> the tools that you use in ter I'm all of. it. That's why I'm not just mental. performance like it has to be all of it. It's nutrition. >> so important right the gut brain access. it has to be nutrition exercise rigorous. exercise. How about your career? Living. a life where you have like some sense of.

meaning, right? And starting to move. towards that, >> right? Don't do something you hate just. because it pays you. If you have an. option to do something that you might. possibly love, if you want a better. life, >> that's the life. Even if you're making. less money, that's the life. You don't. want to be doing something you don't. want to do. >> You're trying to decrease the amount of. stuck energy in you. That's what you're. trying to do. When you feel suppressed, you're not doing what you want to do. The energy gets stuck. And if you're. doing a job that you hate and you know. you could be doing something else, you. just have never [ __ ] gone for it.

Like that'll eat away back of your head. It's just always there. It's always. there. It's always there. >> forever and ever and ever. It'll always. eat away at you that you never took a. chance. You just they show up every day. 9:00 a.m. Kachchunk chunk. Punch in. [ __ ] Just waiting for 5:00 p.m. [ __ ]. And then you get off and you're tired. >> Yeah. >> You know, and then you see other people. that didn't do that and you you feel. like [ __ ] even more. And then you know. it's like it's you're 40 and it's too. late. You feel like but it's not. >> It's never too late. >> Are you breathing? Are you alive? Okay.

Then you can figure out something better. than what you're doing. You don't have. much time left. >> Yeah. That self-suppression creates a. depression in any aspect, right? >> Yeah. >> Anytime you're trying to just. like squeeze in, hold it in, hold it in. Whether it's an inspiration you have, whether it's like, hey, I want to go. play this sport, >> right? >> But I just never make time for it. That's self-suppression. Like you have. to make time for your natural. inspiration to flow through you. And if. you don't, I think that's what creates. depression. >> Well, it's very hard for people to get.

going to just just to actually do. something. >> And um I brought this up a million times. and I'll bring it up again, unfortunately. Um Steven Presfield has. an amazing book called The War of Art. and it's about. >> that suppression that you put on. yourself that that weird and he calls it. resistance. >> Yes. And you know, he talks about. summoning the muse and deciding that. you're a professional and show up every. day. And I think it's the same with. that. It's the same thing. It's like. it's hard to just get off the couch and.

put your shoes on. Like Gogggins talks. about it. He's like, I stare at those. [ __ ] for half an hour. sometimes. >> But he always puts them I believe him. for 30 minutes. >> Yep. 100%. He doesn't lie. He's telling. you the truth. That's why. >> Yeah. Cuz he brutalizes himself. It. makes sense that he stares at him for 30. minutes, but he probably literally. stares at them. [ __ ] you. >> He's just cussing him out. >> and then he just puts him on. >> You don't know me, son. >> Exactly. Then he puts him on. So it's. there's something there,

>> you know. >> There is that resistance that Presfield. talks about. Like that's exactly what. I'm talking about, right? >> Yeah. It's doing something to you. >> Whether you're an athlete, whether. you're a creative, I mean, I think it. applies to everyone. Like the resistance. is whatever is holding you back from. following your natural inspiration. >> Well, I think a big part of that. resistance is a fear of failure. There's. a thing that hovers over people this. fear of failure and that that actually. it keeps you from just doing the things. that you need to do to be successful.

You get you get you get afraid. >> for for whatever weird reason. It. becomes a predominant fear in your head. >> Broken code. There's so many reasons. Like I'll give you an example. So, I ran. like a big fitness channel when I was. trying to make it before I started. working with cool clients who were like. Sean Brady and built a big fitness. community. I would see that like a mom. who's not doing her exercise and it's. like, why don't you just do it? Just do. it. Just get up. Just do it. You deep. you go down into her subconscious find, oh well, I believe that if I start.

working out, I won't have time to be the. mom that I am right now and then my kids. will leave me. Completely irrational, but subconsciously that's what exists. down there. For so many people, they. think they're going to lose out on. something and if they lose it, it's not. worth it subconsciously than doing the. thing that they're inspired to do. >> It's but it's also sometimes people. their health is bad and then. unfortunately they're not eating. correctly and that's why their health is. bad and they have zero energy and so the. daunting task of doing something on top.

of working all day, it's almost like. overwhelming to them. And then if they. have kids and they have a bunch of other. and then the option is get up at 6:00. a.m. like no [ __ ]. >> Well, that's the power of transmuting. the energy. So just flipping the energy. on it, right? To go from this is going. to make me a worse mom to this make me a. better mom. And maybe that will give. them enough juice to actually go do the. workout. >> Maybe. >> maybe. >> I mean there's got to be something that. you can do to trick yourself into having. the energy to get started. But that's. kind of what it is. It's like you're you. have to trick yourself into getting.

started. And then when you get to an. elite athlete level like Brady, it's got. to be about making sure the process is. airtight, right? It's got to be like. really tuning it in, right? Like making. sure it's finely tuned. >> Yeah. Basically fight week, I want his. energy I want him to be matter of fact. about everything. Just matterof fact. Just neutral. Just sitting right here. You know that feeling you have in your. heart where you're just like present.

Mhm. >> Just right there. Right there. And. >> but what how do you get there? Like. what's the way to get there? >> So for him at that elite level, it's. going down and it's clearing out. anything that comes up during camp. It. might be, and this isn't actually Sean, but like I work with a lot of other. fighters and for them it would be, oh, I'm losing in some of my sparring. sessions. And so their confidence is. actually going down because of that. >> And so it's literally reprogram that. belief inside of them. And this sounds. woo, but if you ever want to do a. session, you'll actually be able to feel. it with me. And what happens is we.

transmute the energy to make them feel. that it's okay to believe that even when. they're losing and sparring, they're. getting better. And so something just. shifts inside of them instead of it. creating a seed of doubt when they're. like working on something, they're. drilling something and they're not. winning everything. Now it's okay, I'm. getting better. And it's just a feeling. that shifts in them. >> Well, that is reality, right? I mean, as. long as they're not getting truly beat. up. >> rationally, of course, >> sparring at a good place. But that. survival instinct or that goes I should. be winning everything.

>> Yeah. >> Doesn't like that. And so sometimes we. have to rewire those things. So that's. what we're doing as we're going through. camp is like seeing what comes up, what's decreasing confidence, what are. you dialed in everything. You know, I'm. working with the other coaches as well. and making sure are they doing what you. want them to do? And if they're not, what's going on here? And that's kind of. my job. So it it has to have uh it it. rather it requires a very strong. connection between you and the athlete. >> Oh, deep. I would say that nobody knows.

any of my clients better than them. except for maybe their wives. >> better than you know them. >> Yeah. It's an extreme intimacy because I. talk about something in the book called. the core wound. So the worst thing that. ever happened to you is the worst thing. that ever happened to you. But some. people have, you know, they might have. witnessed a murder or maybe they lost a. parent when they were young, like. something really bad. Another person. might have been bullied when they're in. the fourth grade and kicked out of a. friend group. If we identify what that. core wound is for them, that.

fundamentally hurts their confidence to. this day and we clear that out, we can. exponentially increase just their. confidence and their self-belief. But. the only way we get there is they're. telling me their deepest, darkest. secret. >> Well, but how do you clear it out once. you. >> There's some of these techniques. There's something called uh like. hypnosis, right? You can use it with. hypnosis, NLP. They're all these mind. techniques that you can utilize to clear. the energy which clears the emotion. >> So NLP that is uh like that Anthony. Robin stuff, right? Linguistic.

programming. That's what he does, right? >> I think it's part of what he does. I. don't know. I've never worked with him. But. >> And did you go to school to learn neural. linguistic programming? >> No, I just studied with someone who. taught it to me. Yeah. I just learned. very well onetoone. Just like that's how. I learned. >> You're not totally familiar with it. How. how complicated is NLP? >> Cuz I know some people like really. believe in it. >> It's all perception, right? I that's. what. >> what is it? Explain what it means by say. neurallinginguistic programming. What. does that mean? >> Yeah. Um I don't even know what the I.

don't know how to explain neural. linguistic programming, but I will just. tell you what it is. Okay. Fundamentally, you're just playing with. perception, right? So someone has. something that's easy for me to get rid. of is like the the fear of flying. I had. this baseball player this year I'm. working with. Every time he gets on a. flight, he starts freaking out. Unnecessary. So what do we do? We. imagine him on the plane and I have him. sit visualize being on the plane and. starting to get to that place of anxious. where the thoughts, oh the plane's going. to crash. He knows it's irrational, but. why is he feeling this anyway? We have. to go into it. Feel the emotion, feel.

the emotion. Then I have him imagine, for example, a giant picture in his. mind, in his mind's eye. And this. picture is holding him and all the. anxiety and the worst case scenario. happening. And then we boom, get rid of. the color in the picture. And then we. imagine this picture becoming super. tiny. And then we imagine it just. disappearing. And then we put a new. picture in there of him being able to. fly, not crash, be able to do it all the. time and be successful. >> That's it. >> That's it. >> What if it was 9/11 and flew right into.

the tower right after you gave him that. advice? >> Well, that sucks. >> How would you feel? Would that be it? You be like, I quit. I'm done. >> Yeah. I mean, they sound like very. simple techniques, but it's something. you have to experience. >> Yeah. But it would it would seem to me. that it would be very difficult to get. people to actually change their beliefs. that easily. Like the idea sounds solid, but the um the actual process of. shifting how you view the world, depending upon the person, is like.

turning a battleship around. >> Yeah, it is. It's heavy. I don't know. I. mean, this is the stuff that goes beyond. the rational mind. Like, if you were to. experience it, you'd be like, "Okay, I. get it.". >> Yeah. But it's a it's a emotional. experience. I mean, how do you there's. some things we can't explain, right? Like how do you explain going through. the veil in a psychedelic experience? It's something that you can't really. explain when you come back on the other. side. It's that kind of thing where it's. like when you're in the experience, it's. like how is this supposed to be. possible? I explain the techniques you. rationally be like, what are you talking.

about? Same thing if you have this. immense psychedelic experience and. you're passing through the veil and. you're seeing all these things having. this experience of interconnectedness. and you try to come back and you tell. someone who's never had a psychedelic. experience and be like what are you. talking about? >> Yeah. There's not enough words. >> No, >> no words work. >> This stuff goes beyond language. It's. the same thing. >> Yeah. You can say like I saw a beautiful. rose and I'm like oh cool I know what. that looks like. >> That's why it Yeah, exactly. >> There's not enough words for a. psychedelic experience. So this work. that's why I like I put together the. playbook so I give people actual things.

that they can do because I understand. not everyone's going to work with me one. to one be able to experience this but. people can do these simple exercises. people can audit their life and they can. see some of the patterns of thinking and. just the awareness of seeing some of the. patterns you're thinking if you study. enough you might be able to change it. right we've all had bad habits and. sometimes it just gets to a point we're. like all right I'm not doing that. anymore. >> so this neural linguistic programming do. you specific specifically design this. kind of so you what you you do that as.

one of the things you do. >> Yeah. >> Do you specifically design different. ones for different people that you work. with? If you're going to work one-on-one. with a client, >> honestly, I don't know what I'm going to. do before I go to go into any session. >> It's all I just feel it in the present. moment. >> I mean, you could think of it like I. have all these tools I can use and then. I feel into what their issue is and then. I do my best with the tools I have to. fix their issue. I'm just problem. solving the moment. Does it feel weird. to do that as a career? I mean, that. sounds like a crazy job. It feels like.

there's so much so much weight on your. shoulders to try to help a person like. especially try to help an elite athlete. like knowing what to say and how to get. their mind tuned in right and what to. what to introduce and whether or not. this technique is effective. Am I doing. this right? >> I just don't think I I surrender to. something bigger than myself, >> right? That's what I have to do is just. allow. >> How did you know that you could do it. though? Like how'd you know that this. was going to be like really effective. especially on someone like a fighter. where it's like this is a really.

complicated gig? Like you really you. want to talk about a sport where you. have to have your mind right? Like. there's no sport like fighting because. any mistake you make you you're going to. get head kicked. >> Yeah. Well, >> you know, >> I lose too sometimes, right? So like. Widman, I helped him come back his first. fight back from after he broke his leg. and he said that's the best he's ever. felt in his career going into a fight. He still lost a fight. >> Yeah, there's a physical factor there, too. Um that whether or not a guy like. Weidman never wants to admit because.

he's so tough because he has this. incredible belief in himself. >> But a catastrophic break of a bone like. that when you're in your late 30s, that. is hard to come back from, man. That's. not simple. >> Yeah. >> It takes a long time. And you know, he. came back, you know, he he eventually. reached a higher a higher level than in. his first fight back, but he doesn't, you know, necessarily look like Chris. Weidman when he beat Anderson Silva. >> or Chris. >> So 39 now 40.

>> Yeah. Unfortunately, and these guys, it's like if you're natural, and he's. natural, they they get to a certain. point where the body just can't keep up. with the brain. like their brain is so. strong and they're so tough, but their. body is not a 24 year old's body. anymore. It doesn't move right anymore. >> and this accumulation of injuries. regardless of your belief system. It's. just your foot doesn't work anymore, bro. You know, >> that was me understanding like when I. was 18 years old, I'm like, I'm not that. good at football. Like, I don't have the. physical gifts. Like, I'm just not that. athletic. I'm not going to run that.

fast. And when So, this is how I. discovered it, right? I started to learn. these techniques. Like I can do things. like get rid of someone's headache very. easily with some of these techniques. So. like I have a teammate had a terrible. headache. I'd be like, "All right, let's. do some of these hypnosis relaxation. techniques." He's like, "My headache's. gone." I'm like, "I'm way better than. this than I was at football." And that. was a spark within me that made me. >> see me, I would take him to the. hospital. I'm like, "Bro, you might be. having a stroke. Let's get you to the. hospital. Just a headache. Come on.". >> When a guy who's a tough guy complains. about a headache, I always get.

concerned. >> He wasn't that tough. >> Well, he's a football player. He's got. to be tough, >> bro. You want to see tough? Look at. LeBron James' feet. I was looking at. LeBron James' feet today online. Have. you seen him, Jamie? >> Yeah, for sure. >> Bro, how does that guy play elite. basketball? >> Yeah. >> With those [ __ ] up feet. Like, his. feet are so broken because of all the. years of exploding and twisting and. turning. And. >> he's been playing professionally for how. long? 20 years, which is. >> 21, I think. >> That's bananas.

>> Yeah. I don't understand. Think about. the amount of explosions he's forced his. feet to perform. Imagine moving back and. forth and you weigh 250 lbs. Like that's. nuts. That's so much force. >> He's not the same species as us. He's. something else. >> Disciplined, bro. But look at those. toes. >> That is bananas. >> That's bananas. Like his his toes just. take like sharp turns. >> That may or may not be accurate. >> That might not be right. That other one. looked better. >> Looks pretty.

>> Let me see that. That looks a little. better. >> It's a little over it, but. >> Yeah, it's a little over it, but he. might be getting it. Maybe he did that. on purpose. Maybe he did that for the. picture just to be silly. >> This is the one that went viral a while. ago. Was on the beach. >> Yeah, that's pretty obvious. So, his big. toe goes under the next toe. It's that. twisted in. That's obvious. >> It also doesn't look like the same foot. as that foot. >> You know, Brian Simpson was having a. problem with that, too, cuz he's got. wide feet. And I told him about yoga. toes. >> Yep. >> That stuff works, man. You ever use. those? >> They stretch your feet out. You put your.

toes in there and they stretch. It's. like a little rubber stopper in between. each little toesy. >> and it stretches your foot out and makes. it, you know, feel better. It relieves. the t the pressure that you're getting. with narrow toed shoes where it's. squishing it in the front [ __ ] your. feet up. >> Nice. >> But to be that tough to play basketball. with that kind of a foot for 20 plus. years, that's nuts. >> Yeah. It's taken a lot of. >> to be god and run with no knees. Nuts.

nuts. >> That's That's what inspiration does, though, you know? I think these guys. just want it. They want it. They want to. keep going. They want to keep pushing. it. They want to see what's possible. >> Yeah. I was watching a fight today. Um, one of my little chat groups that I have. with Dean Thomas and Matt Sarah and John. Roll. Um, a guy was uh fighting in a. box. It looks like a boxing match and he. has one leg. So, he's hopping around. with one leg trying to [ __ ] this guy up. So, if you ever think like maybe. here, let me find this. Yeah. You ever. think like maybe life has been too hard.

on me? Maybe the barriers in front of me. are insurmountable. Try [ __ ] doing. what this guy's doing cuz this is really. kind of crazy. >> And I don't understand what they're. doing because uh they're they're. barefoot but they're um not kicking. And. I guess the guy can't kick because he. only has one leg. Maybe they agreed no. kicking, but like why put a shoe on? Yeah. >> You know, I don't understand why. If. you're If you If you If you If you If. you If you If you If you If you If you. guys aren't going to kick, why don't you.

have shoes on? It's better for your. grip. >> But this guy's hopping around. Did you. get it, Jamie? >> Yeah. >> This guy's hopping around throwing. punches with literally one leg. Look at. this. >> Oh, how nuts is that? One thing you do have to think, it sucks. that he only has one leg, but I bet he. weighs about 40 lbs lighter that way. >> Oh, yeah. So, like he's got probably got. some strong ass arms, but you can only. generate so much force with one leg. >> I can't even balance on one leg. >> I know. His balance is insane, man. And. his movement's really good, too. Like,

there's people that have two legs that. don't move that good. It's nuts. >> The other dude's like, I wish I could. leg kick you. Like, that's so not fair. You guarantee. that dude can't kick you back. >> So explosive. But it's just pretty nutty. that, you know, he's still willing to. fight and he's hitting this guy. >> I mean, is it. >> the human will? >> Yeah, >> it's incredible. >> It is incredible. The human mind can do. very strange things if you let it keep. going down a path and keep getting.

better and better. >> Yes. >> You know, you can get to a very strange. place that, you know, a lot of people. don't want to believe exists. >> Yeah. You just have to keep expanding. the possibilities, right? Exposing. yourself to new things. I think that's. why like people in my field. traditionally like they're not doing. psychedelics like it's not really a. thing that people do. >> Why do you think that is? >> I would imagine. how the mind works. >> I'd say maybe more psy sports psychology.

stuff like that because they're more. clinical. They're more clinical people. You know, they're doctors. They're. they're people are much more clinical. and methodical about things. But for me, like my full ego death through the buffo. toad was fundamentally the most. important part of me learning to do what. I do. >> because in that experience, it created. enough space between me and all my. beliefs. You know, it's that like that. neuroplasticity that gets created in. those moments afterwards where you can. actually kind of see things. You can. kind of see the the forest from the. trees. If you never have that.

experience, then like this is something. people talk about all the time, right? is the whole thing. The ego is the. enemy. >> Mhm. >> It's like, well, depends what you're. considering the ego because you can't. get rid of the ego. If the ego dies, then you're just in the oneness, right? So, you need the ego, but you have to. build it up. And I think for fighters. especially, like they need massive egos, but they need healthy egos. Egos that. are programmed to succeed. >> Yeah. No ego is not attainable. If. you're a human being, you're going to. have an ego. You just have to figure out.

how to manage it. And don't let it burn. your house down. You know, it's like. that custom motto quote about fear. Fear. is like fire. You can cook your food. with it or if it gets out of control, it'll burn your house down. >> Yeah. >> I think that's the case with uh many, many things, including psychedelics, by. the way. I think there's a lot of people. that burn their house down. >> Yeah. >> I think there's a lot of people that go. really far and they lose their grip on. reality and reality gets real slippery. and they sort of try to redefine reality. to fit their own narrative and they seem.

schizophrenic. Yeah, >> I've seen that from multiple people that. have taken too many psychedelics. >> They're just abusing it. You got to use. like a tool. >> Well, yeah, but it's also. everybody. has their own. specific way that they interact with the. world. And if you're taking psychedelics. to justify your specific way of. interacting with the world, Yeah. And. then you start indoctrinating other.

people to your specific way of running. the world. You try to like have a branch. off civilization. Like that's like this. thing that happens to guys in. particular. You don't see a lot of like. female guru psychedelic ladies, you. know, or they they're more like mother. figures, but not like gurus. The gurus. are all dudes and it almost always. >> sex is always. down to [ __ ] almost always. or or um. Dick, depending on what you're into. >> Yeah. >> Because the guy out here in um Texas in.

Austin was um there was a there's a. building that Ron White loved called the. One World Theater that we were actually. in contract under contract for before I. wound up buying the Mothership. And that. place was run by a cult. And this guy. was a gay guy. He was a gay porn star. and a hypnotist. >> There you go. That's a deadly combo. right there. who was teaching yoga to. folks in West Hollywood and slowly but. surely formed a cult. And then after. Waco, remember the Waco thing went down.

>> Uh, everybody panicked and the cult. awareness network apparently was like. looking for him and looking into him. because like a lot of the family was. like my we lost my son. He went to that. So then he decided to change his name. and then he moved to Austin and uh he. had his followers build him a theater so. he could dance in front of them and. that's here and uh it was it's there's a. crazy documentary called Holy Hell. But. this guy, this is what's crazy. The people that hated him at the end of.

the documentary, the people that said. that he was a giant scammer and he was a. piece of [ __ ] and they wish they had. never met him, they all said they had. gone through this thing called the. knowing. And the knowing was like he. would withhold it from them and they a. lot of them were like really upset they. weren't getting the knowing. And it was. this thing that he would do where he'd. make them I think they were on their. knees and he would touch their face and. tell them that it was going to happen. and they would all say the same thing. They would all say afterwards it was one. of the most beautiful the most beautiful.

experience of their life that they felt. a complete total connection with God and. it changed their worldview and their. perception forever. Like it's available. in your mind if you believe if you truly. believe and they truly believe that this. guy was like a legitimate mystic that he. was a legitimate guru. And because they. believed that, even though this guy's a. gay porn star and a hypnotist and a. [ __ ] psychopath, because they. believed that when he put his hands on. them, they felt it.

>> So, what a complicated relationship. You. have this guy who, uh, one of the guys. left the cult, and he's like, "Hey, man. Uh, this guy's been hypnotizing me and. [ __ ] me for 10 years." And then. everybody was like, "Me, too." And it. got crazy. And then they all wound up. leaving. But he also did this thing for. them. >> Yeah. where he connected them to God, which is really nuts, man. Cuz you would. think, "Fuck that guy. That guy sucked. I can't believe.". >> But they're all like, "But there was. this one day." And this one, it was.

almost like a part of the little cosmic. joke of life. >> Cosmic joke. >> This [ __ ] weirdo possesses the. ability to literally connect you with. God, but he behaves like a demon. and. he's just butt [ __ ] dudes and just. taking all their money and it's just. madness. But what he's able to do when. he touches you is real. >> What a cosmic joke. If that. >> you know there's all those like Indian.

gurus, right, where like people tell the. stories of like all they had to do is. like gaze on me or touch me. I've never. experienced any of this. And then you. just feel. like you've had experience with God. >> Yeah, I believe it. I believe if you. believe it, that's what I think. I think. there are guys that are living a very. different life. Just like, you know, we're talking about like someone who. could get to this David Gogggins level. of discipline and physical will. >> I think there's guys like that with. meditation. And I think there's guys who. get so far out there. And if you. recognize that they're so far out there,

I bet you sync up with the way they're. seeing the world. You let them think for. you and you believe in them and then. they do something to you. they put their. hands on you or whatever they you. believe it's going to happen and then. your mind allows it to happen. >> I think we have access to a bunch of. different states of consciousness. We. just don't know the tools to to access. it. We don't know the code to crack to. open them. And for some people, it's a. near-death experience, which is like.

seems to be a chemical reaction. It's. like a an undeniable reaction that. people have when they come back from the. dead. >> But for other people, it's not. For. other people, like sometimes it's some. sort of a life-changing revelation. For. some people, it's like it's falling in. love or having a child or there's. something that happens that like rewires. the way they see the world. and whatever those states are that are. inside of us, I can't imagine why. there's not.

courses at major universities studying. how to access this stuff. Studying how. to achieve endogenous states, >> yes, >> of psychedelic experiences like they. that like James Nester's book when he. talks about holotropic breathing and all. these different. >> Did you ever do that? Any of the hol. >> I've done a bunch of it. Yeah, I've had. like legit trips from breathing. >> Yeah, I guide some guys, some of my. clients like they leave their body, you. know, they have experiences of like. leaving their body. >> It feels very weird. You can get it.

especially when you do it um I like to. do uh breathing exercises in a tank in. the tank. Yeah. You do it in a flow. tank. >> Whoa. >> Because the flow tank itself is a. psychedelic experience. >> Totally natural. It's the best one. because you there's no side effects and. you can just open the door and it's. over. Anytime you're freaking out like, "Ah, I can't take it." Open the door. >> Yeah. >> And then next time stay in a little. longer and then settle in. >> But doing breathing exercises in there, I mean, you might as well be taking. mushrooms. You can you can get some.

bizarre experiences doing that. >> Yeah. So, we talked about like how do we. get people on this path? I think it's. these types of experiences that like. open a doorway. It's like a hard reset. I think actually for most people they. should not do psychedelics. Most people. >> people who are like in a really dark. state. >> you think most people are in a dark oh. okay. >> no no no most people who are in a very. dark state they're struggling with. really bad depression I don't think they. should go right to psychedelics I think. there's steps before that I think they. can do topic breathing. >> flow tanks. >> there's different. >> just get healthy first too right you.

know take some steps. >> but like there's things you can. >> you know one of the things that's a. really good thing to tell people to do. find a fun physical hobby something you. can get good at whatever it is whether. it's [ __ ] pickle ball or whatever it. Find a fun physical hobby that forces. you to do a little bit of activity. >> You know, it doesn't have to be super. strenuous, but something that you. actually like doing. You get moving. You. get moving. And then there's also the. thing about getting good at something. that for whatever reason like really.

helps people. Like if you if you really. focus on getting good at something, that. thing becomes the puzzle instead of just. like dealing with all the anxiety of. life. Then that becomes your focus. Your. focus becomes getting good at this. thing. Humans need something to pour. their energy into. >> 100%. And if you don't have that, you. feel lost. And that's a lot of people in. this world. And that's the problem with. just having a regular job, which also. saps you of your energy, >> you know. >> Absolutely. It could be something very. simple, you know, but just find. something that you just want to move on.

a path. Just get on a path. >> and that just incremental progress feels. good. >> And the best thing is physical. any. anything that you can do that that's why. jiu-jitsu is so awesome is because you. you could find that you find the. physical struggle but also this. incredible mental puzzle that you're. figuring out every day and then also. you're dealing with all these anxieties. and emotions and these weird feelings. like [ __ ] I don't want to roll with him. oh god damn it he's going to get me and. you're rolling with people then you got. to learn how to relax you got to learn. and they're like oh my god he didn't tap. me this this session like maybe you got.

dominated but at least you didn't tap. and then next time maybe you uh reverse. someone, maybe you uh sweep someone that. you never swept before. I mean, and you. just like, "Oh my god, I'm getting. better at this." And you you you've got. this puzzle, and then you've also got. this extreme physical activity where the. rest of the day seems so easy. It seems. so like so relaxing. No matter what. happens, you're so calm because you've. been getting your [ __ ] legs yanked on. and your neck yanked on and [ __ ].

taken down and side control crushed and. getting arm triangled and this is easy. Like no matter what you experience. outside of that, your bar for what sucks. is like your thing you do the most that. sucks so hard is what you love. >> Yeah. >> Which is nuts. So it cures you in a lot. of ways and it's I think it's the remedy. for young men. There's a lot of men that. just And it's filled with nerds. You. need to know that, too. Like that. It's. not meattheads. You think it's.

meattheads. It's mostly not. And mostly. it's like really intelligent people that. excel at this physical puzzle. And then. through that thing, they develop all. this confidence. They become like much. cooler people, much more interesting to. hang out with. Like all my friends that. are like black belts in jiu-jitsu, they're all interesting. They're all. cool to talk to. Like if I can talk to a. guy and they tell me they're a black. belt in jiu-jitsu, I'm like, "Oh, okay. You've gone through the whole thing.". Like you've gone through some [ __ ]. Like, okay, I guarantee you you and I. can find common ground. Like, we could.

talk. >> Yeah. >> It's like there's things that are out. there that are available to you that are. a vehicle for developing your human. potential. That's what I was taught when. I was uh a kid and I was learning. taekwondo. That's how they described it. as a I never forgot that. A vehicle for. developing your human potential. And I. was like, that's perfect because I think. you don't just do it from thinking about. stuff and thinking different. I think. you need physical stuff that you do. And. the best physical stuff is scary stuff.

>> Yeah. Right of passage. You know, we. don't have many rights of passages. >> Yeah. >> And doing any type of martial arts and. having to compete is like, oh, this is. scary. It's building. It's building. It's building. What's going to happen? And you kind of have to fe you have to. face that fear of death in a It's like, you know, you're not going to die, but. in a way, it feels like it. When you're. going to competition, it's like, this. person is going to try to hurt me. >> Yeah. >> And to come through that and get to the. other side, there's something that. changes in your nervous system. >> For sure. You've you've actually. experienced something that very few. people ever experience. And it's it's.

very different than a street fight. because you're agreeing to it and you're. training for it. You've got this other. person who's like training. You know, they're scary as [ __ ] and they're on the. other side of the cage. And then you. step in and the two of you are about to. go to war. It's the nuttiest job in the. history of the world. It really is. Other than war and being a firefighter. or a cop, it is the nuttiest job in the. history of the world. >> You're agreeing to throw bones at each. other in front of the world. Millions of. people. >> Yeah. People love it. >> And today, uh, they just announced the. UFC just signed some crazy deal with.

Paramount Plus. There's going to be no. more pay-per-views. >> All the events are going to be available. for everybody for free. Every. pay-per-view, every fight card that they. have from the Apex, which are my. favorite. >> Yeah. >> Everything is going to be available for. free. It's an amazing deal. >> I think it's going to explode the sport. even. >> Oh my god. Through the roof. And it's a. super smart move for Paramount. What a. great move to not just have the UFC for. seven years, but have it for free. Like.

I don't think Paramount costs, but what. how much does it cost a month? >> It's like eight or 10 bucks. I think. >> 10 bucks. So, if it's 10, let's say it's. 10 bucks. That's crazy. That's $120 a year. You. could watch every UFC pay-per-view. Two. UFC pay-per-views is like 140 bucks, right? Isn't it? Aren't they $70? >> So, you get all of them. Everything's. free. That's incredible. This support is. going to go [ __ ] hypernal. >> because the average person only knows. about the stars. You know what I mean? But they're kind of detached because.

they're only watching highlights. Now, they get to actually watch about the. stars. They're going to be so much more. bought into the sport. >> Yeah. It's going to be nuts and it'll be. it's a such a smart move for Paramount. because you have a built-in audience. It's immediately going to jump over. there. >> because everybody you have to renew your. ESPN subscription anyway, >> you know, >> like you have to renew it. So, and just. buy a Paramount subscription. >> Absolutely. >> By the way, ESPN has everything, too. It's great. I kind of bummed out and I. hope they don't lose the relationship. that they had with ESPN with all their.

MMA shows. I hope they don't go like, "Fuck them. They went to Paramount." I. hope it's like a mutually beneficial. thing like the UFC. >> at least does some content still on ESPN. because I think that's also a big factor. in pulling people from like casual. viewers that watch other sports that. might occasionally watch a UFC fight and. then they see like Dustin Porier versus. Max Holloway and they're like, "Holy. shit." And then they're hooked, right? It's like having that coverage on Sports. Center, that shit's huge. Having those.

postfight shows on ESPN Plus, that [ __ ]. is huge for the real dorks like me, that's huge. >> Yeah. I think even for like the average. person that cares more about. storytelling, you know, it's like maybe. the wives are like, "This is interesting. to hear about the drama of their life a. little bit and the hero's journey.". >> Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Well, it's it's um. unbelievably compelling when you watch. two world class fighters fight in a. world championship fight. >> Yeah. unbelievably compelling, you know, like uh when you watch Sugar Shawn Omali.

try to get the title back from Rob. That. was so compelling. Sugar Sean changes. his whole life. Did you talk with him at. all? >> I haven't. I'm very curious. I would. love to talk with him because I know he. cut out weed, right? And he. >> cut out weed, stopped jerking off, I. believe, and abandoned all social media. >> Yeah. >> Which is very fascinating. I might be. wrong about the jerking off. I think I. might have added that in there. But he recognized that this guy's a a. [ __ ] He's a completely. different thing. Like Morab is like a.

David Gogggins in that respect that he's. so far down the path of pushing himself. >> that it's almost like you're never going. to catch him in that game, you know, like six months of not jerking off and. staying off Tik Tok. I don't think. that's even close to enough. I think. what he's been doing has been really. insane for a long time. Everybody that I. talked to that's trained with that guy. >> say he's [ __ ] superhuman with his.

cardio and his work ethic is through the. roof, man. When DC went to see him the. day after he won the the title, >> he was out running. DC went to his house. >> and he's film DC's filming his his. garage is that his garage gym set up and. he's like this [ __ ] is out. running. He's out running the day after. winning the world title in a spectacular. five round performance where he shows. superhuman cardio, like superhuman. pressure. There's a few guys like that.

>> Yeah, it's it's fascinating to look at. just that level, the elite elite elite. elite level, and to see the. commonalities between them. For me, as. someone who loves studying the mind, and. it's like, what is different about these. guys? And then is there anything you. could do to catch up or are they just. built different? Are they just wired in. a way? >> Did you see the Anthony Hernandez Roman. Deitz fight this weekend? >> No. >> Bro, you got to see that fight. You have. to see that fight. Anthony Hernandez is. a [ __ ] problem. He's a [ __ ] real.

problem. He doesn't get tired, man. He. pushes an insane pace and he doesn't get. tired. He melts dudes. He just melts. them, you know? He does stuff where you. just go like what? How are you pushing. this kind of pace? It's like a. middleweight version. Someone said it in. the the uh comments too that Morab was. in Roman's corner because they're both. from Georgia and he's like in Morab is. in the corner while Roman fights the. middleweight version of Morab because it. really was like that. Fluffy Hernandez.

is wild, dude. It's like whatever he's. doing in his training or whether he just. has a a like some people like Cain. Velasquez had a natural cardio gift. I. don't know what it is, but it's insane. He submitted Ralpho Vieiraa multiple. time world jiu-jitsu gym. Just exhausted. the [ __ ] out of him and guillotined him, which is just nuts to watch that guy. tap. Do you know who he is? >> No, I know boxing way more than UFC. So, >> Vieira is built like a superhero. Like, he doesn't even look like a real human.

He He looks like a cartoonish like CGI. version of what an elite MMA athlete. looks like. Just chiseled. And Fluffy. doesn't look like that. Covered in. tattoos, you know, looks athletic, you. know, looks tough. But Ralpho Vieiraa is. a That's him. >> Oh, yeah. >> Brow. [Laughter]. >> You know those photos of like what your. girlfriend tells you not to worry about. Get what? That one where he's got his. sleeves down and by his elbows in the.

lower Yeah. That one right there. Bro, >> yeah. >> What are you talking about? >> And I don't think Fluffy was even a. black belt. I think Fluffy was a brown. belt at the time. I want to be correct. about that. He's a black belt now, right? >> Anthony Hernandez, MMA. I think he's a. black belt. Um, but to submit that guy. was just one of the cra like if you had. a if you had a bet in Vegas, you know, like if you were on Draft DraftKings. Sportsbook and you bet Fluffy Hernandez.

to submit Ralpho Vieira, >> you probably get like 25 to1 odds. brown. belt. He's still a brown belt. He's. still a brown belt in jiu-jitsu. He. submitted a multipletime world champion. just by melting him. Just melting him. >> I'd love for you to talk to that guy. Find out what the [ __ ] he's made out of. >> I'd love to love to hit me up, bro. >> He's different, man. There's certain. dudes that are just different, you know, like what Gogggins likes to call. uncommon amongst uncommon men.

>> That dude's uncommon. If I was a. middleweight, I'd be like closely. watching that guy like Jesus Christ. because he's also like every fight he. keeps getting better and it's just a. storm that starts from the first minute. of the first round and never stops. You. never get to break. There's no breaths. He's constantly on you. He takes a great. shot. 52 takedowns, eight fight win. streak, six finishes. Mhm. >> Bro, that guy there's there's guys that just.

emerge from groups of like super. talented contenders where you just go, "Holy shit." And that's one of them. >> That's awesome. >> Yeah. >> I've got to look out for him. I got to. go back and watch that fight. >> So, for a guy like you that's like a. mental coach, I always like wonder like. I'd like to you to like talk to that guy. and maybe you can pass some of that on. to everybody else. Like what is he. doing? Yeah. >> How is he is he just training harder. than everybody else? Is he just is it. his mindset? Is he just a dog and just. just does not give a [ __ ] Because it.

seems like there's a lot of that there. too, but he's just mentally super strong. and super aggressive. >> That's what I love to do. I give these. guys these prompts and I just audit and. I pull out all their beliefs and it's. super interesting to hear what beliefs. create a elite performer and just. hearing all the ones that are making. them successful and all the ones that. are causing them problems. >> Want to hear what's really crazy? Dude. smokes a ton of weed. Ton of weed. >> Like sugar's like, I'm gonna quit the. weed. This dude's like, give me all your.

weed. >> When I was when I was doing a lot of. boxing, I would I was smoking a ton of. weed. I was smoking weed every single. day. And I don't anymore. But at the. time, I was like, you know, I had to get. surgery on my nose cuz I got busted up. so many times. >> Yeah, I got that surgery. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god. Isn't it nice when you get it. done, though? I. >> I fell down a flight of stairs when I. was five. So, I've never had a good. nose. My nose has been [ __ ] since I. was a little kid. >> So, I never could breathe out of my. nose. And then years of getting punched. and kicked and getting headbutted and.

grappled with glasses. >> I had it. I was going to the doctor. because I was still sparring during. COVID. And I was going to the doctor and. they were just telling me, "Oh, I think. you have COVID.". >> That's what they told me. >> They're like, "I think you just have. stuffiness. We're going to have you. tested from CO." Like two different. times. And eventually I just got X-rays. and they're like, "Oh, your nose is. destroyed.". >> Yeah. >> But I It happens like an ear, right? You. know how like ears get cauliflower? You. get that same kind of buildup of calcium. deposits inside your nose. >> They have to carve it out. >> Yeah. >> Ever seen what it looks like when they.

get the chunks and they lay it out for. you after they take it out. >> They took a piece from my ear. They took. the ear cartilage. >> to rebuild your nose. >> The funniest thing is so I spent a lot. of time in Colombia and I went down. there for the surgery and uh. >> You went to Colombia for ear to nose. surgery? >> Oh, I do everything all myself in Colia. I got lasic eye surgery in Colombia. >> Jesus, bro. They invented it in Bogota, Columbia. >> Did they really? >> They did. >> No [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Medical stuff is amazing. Honestly, like this is going to sound. funny, but when I go there, it almost. makes the US feel like a third world.

country. >> That's crazy. >> Just cuz it's so inexpensive. The. doctors are good. The facility is great. Anyhow, so I go get the surgery. I come. out of it. I'm missing the back of my. ear. They I didn't understand that part. >> Why didn't they do the rib? Usually they. do the rib cartilage. >> They said they might do the rib, but I. don't remember. >> They changed their mind and went with. your ear. >> I guess the ear. What does your ear look. like now? >> I'll show it to you. >> Show me. >> Okay. You got a missing chunk, son. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. Now it's It lays kind of flat. >> Oh, that's crazy. Not that bad.

>> Not bad. Not bad. >> But you don't grapple, so you don't have. cauliflower. That would get weird. because the there would be no structure, so it would like super droop like a like. a like a Labrador. >> What do you think? I haven't gotten into. jiu-jitsu just because I was told by. some of my friends that like I would I. could rebreak my nose just by the. pressure of people like leaning on it. all the time and I just don't want to. get the surgery again. >> When I got my surgery, I was addicted, fully addicted to jiu-jitsu. So, I. waited 6 weeks and I started rolling. again. >> And how's your nose been? >> It's fine, but I protected it and I told. everybody that I was rolling with, "Hey. man, I just got no surgery, so please.

don't like crossface me if you're trying. to get a rear naked choke or something. like that." You know, like there's. certain guys that are real mean and they. get they get your back and they'll. [ __ ] do this with your nose to get. you to lift your chin up. They'll. they'll go forearm blade right into the. nose, which I understand for. competition, but for the gym, the. problem is like you could really break a. guy's nose and then [ __ ] him up for the. the rest of his life until he gets it. fixed. >> What about now when you train? Like, is. it is it a concern? >> I haven't been training in a long time. I haven't been training in over a year. No rolling at all in over a year. But.

it's um not a concern. It works great. It's fine. If I got it broken and it was. a problem, I'd definitely 100% get it. fixed again. The benefits of being able. to breathe out of your nose, and I've. I've talked to a ton of fighters about. this. Some of them are like, I'll wait. till after I'm done fighting. But Dreus. Duplaci, who's depending defending his. title this weekend, Drius, he uh started. his career with a [ __ ] up nose in the. UFC and it really affected his cardio. His mouth was wide open. He got it fixed. and there was like this immediate bump. in performance. Like, I mean, immediate.

For sure, he was getting better along. the way. And for sure, he was, you know, figuring out how to tightening up. tighten up his techniques and he's just. an animal, right? But on top of that, having that nose fixed was a significant. difference. He didn't have to have his. mouth open all the time. >> That's the ideal way to breathe if you. can just breathe through your nose, right? >> It limits your cardio in a significant. way. I noticed like a 10% bump in cardio. is what it felt like to me. Like I could. feel the difference in being able to. breathe out of my nose. Yeah. >> And also to be able to bite down on your. mouthpiece, like if you're really.

clamping down on something and you could. still breathe perfectly. That was huge. >> because before. you have to squeeze while your mouth is. open. That's terrible. Like you if you. want to squeeze on something, you want. to be like this. You want to feel like. [ __ ]. >> and you can't you can't bite down. I. wonder how they've done studies on that, right? people lifting stuff with like. certain mouth pieces in and certain. mouth pieces actually increase their. strength. >> Powerlifters use them, right? >> Yeah. I think they do it for sure also.

to not break your teeth. >> because uh I went to a dentist once and. the dentist like you like micro. fractures on all your teeth. You like do. you do you lift weights? And I go yeah. He goes like you're clenching your teeth. all the time. Oh yeah. So, >> I stopped doing that so much and I I. definitely started I worked out with a. mouthpiece for a long time like lifting. But I think there's a certain mouthpiece. they designed that sets your jaw in a. certain way that it actually enhances. your strength. There's like some sort of. a connection between like having your.

jaw perfectly aligned and clamping down. on this mouthpiece that allows you to. actually lift more weight. M. >> find out if that's true because I know. that that was definitely a marketing. claim for this mouthpiece thing, but I. just don't remember much of it, but I. remember like looking into it years ago. It was like a weird mouthpiece with like. the bottom had like a hole cut into it. so you could. >> I think I've heard something about that. I know grunting is supposed to help you. lift more weights. >> That makes sense. That's why they keep. it out of that LA fitness place. They. get mad at you. Is that the No, Planet. Fitness. >> Planet Fitness. Yeah, I did see a study.

cuz I was looking at all these studies. increase strength performance. You know, I was when I was studying all this stuff. and I was like grunting. >> That's so crazy that if you if you lift. weights there too loud, they sound an. alarm and they kick you out. >> You tried to hard the lunk alarm. >> The lunk alarm. >> That's funny. >> It's safe for those people who want to. be there. It's a nice safe environment. >> Yeah, I get it. But also, don't you want. to be inspired by someone who's working. out really hard? Like if I go to the gym. and there's a guy there like, whoa, that. guy's there. And you watch that guy do.

some crazy routine like long as he's. nice. Like what do you care if he's. grunting? >> But that's kind of society, right? We. got the the padded walls many places for. people. >> Yeah. I guess it intimidates people. It. scares them. And then maybe people What. is this, Jamie? >> The mouthpiece. The air. >> mouthpiece. Yeah, that's it. >> I don't know if it's proven. >> Yeah, I don't know if it's proven. either, but is this um official. mouthpiece of the world's strongest man? >> It's patented. >> Boosting muscular force and power. Huh. It's patented. So, how does it work?

Does it say how it works? I was looking. I didn't see any. It says I don't know. That's what it. says. >> Thing is, if you believe it works, it. probably works. >> Yeah. I don't know how. >> Designed to absorb clenching while. guiding optimal tongue positioning. during high stress exertion. >> H. I don't know. >> Um but being able to breathe out of your. nose is giant, kids. So if you don't. have that, if you've got that problem, get it fixed. What do you think about if. you can.

>> um weed and fighting? Because I'm going. to ask you a couple different questions. Okay. When I was living in LA, I knew. this neuroscientist and we ran like a. little fun study where I was a big. stoner. So, he had me stop smoking weed. for two weeks, I think it was. He tested. me, did all these brain tests with me. and then he tested me two weeks. afterwards. And I play football, I box, right? So, a lot of hits to the head, >> right? And he said that without weed, he. showed like it showed that I had a fair. amount of like brain damage. Like my.

brain wasn't functionally would when I. smoked weed and went back in there. He. said there was some kind of like. neuroprotective effect where like I was. my brain was like registering as more. healthy. >> Well, isn't part of the problem with CTE. and any kind of a um brain issue in. general? Part of the problem is. inflammation, right? >> Yeah. >> Isn't it? Um that's one of the things. that they say like changing your gut. bacteria has an effect on mood. You know. there a lot of people that have like. real gut problems. >> Weed decreases inflammation in the.

brain. >> Yeah. It's well weed certainly increases. uh decreases rather inflammation and. that's why people use it for pain. management. Um people with sore backs. and. >> yeah uh people going through. chemotherapy. It also improves your. appetite for people going through chemo. because it's hard for them to eat. But. weed um most certainly can help with. pain management with some kinds of pain. I know some people that have tried it. for like debilitating pain and it just. doesn't do a damn thing. It just makes. them almost more aware of it.

>> Um but it's variable, man, because I was. just uh Jamie, who's the guy who killed. Bin Laden? You know that Navy Seal guy. who killed Bin Laden? He's on um. >> Yeah, he's on Instagram. >> Something, >> right? What? But let's say his full name. out of respect. >> Believe it's Robert. >> Well, how about look it up. You'll believe and find his Instagram. because he he has something to do with. the cannabis business. And uh like this.

guy's just super badass tip of the spear. special forces operator, right? And. there it is. Robert O'Neal. Go to his uh. see if you can find his Instagram. What does it say? He's help. That's him. It says uh set to pedal pot in New York. City and said it helps get rid of the. noise. He's also an advocate for um. Ibagane. He's done Ibagane. >> uh I think multiple times, but go click. on go to his Instagram page, Jamie, if.

you could. >> I have it there. >> I forget. It's like Mr. Huya or. something like that. >> Um but he said that it it helps him go. to sleep at night. Helps him relax and. go to sleep at night. Like there's. there's scroll down. Go back to the grid. and scroll down. There's him in an. actual uh pot farm like his own pot farm. in there like where they grow all the. stuff that he uh he sells. >> That makes sense cuz it it has that. disassociative effect. Right.

>> Right. And so it's easier maybe to get. out of your head, >> but it flies in the face of this very uh. public narrative, which is pot is for. lazy people, pot is for losers, pot's. going to rot your brain, pot's going to. make you stink, pot's going to make you. an idiot. Can't find it. >> It's not. I mean, >> yeah, >> I don't know where it is. >> Company's thing. I'll find it a second. >> Maybe that's the far right one with his. hands outstretched like Jesus. That's. the one him talking about I gain. And I. looked at that Mick Huya on uh.

Instagram. When a guy like that is. smoking weed, you you get you got to. throw it out the window. All your. preconceived It's like everybody is. biologically different. And for some. people, alcohol just [ __ ] them up. >> For some people, marijuana is a nogo. It's not good. They freak out. But. >> when you're a dog, you know, like we're. dogs. We like to get after it. We like. to work out. We like to do things. Like. I almost like when I was smoking weed. every day to be the guy who could be.

super fit, to be training boxing every. day and like. >> be achieving my business and smoke weed. every day. Like I kind of took this like. weird pride in it for some time as well. of like. >> Bro, one of my favorite things to do was. to smoke weed and hit the bag. Oh, you. still. >> so meditative. >> Yeah, man. You also. >> form goes out the window a little bit. >> No, it doesn't. For me, it's the. opposite. For me, I feel everything. Like for me, I feel judging myself the. timing more when I'm hitting things. Like I it feels more coordinated. Like. when I'm throwing a kick, it's just w.

like I feel the the the time to like. accelerate the time to get the hips into. it. It all I'm more sensitive. It feels. better. Like you you you tune into it. It makes my pool game 100% better. >> Really? >> Oh, 100%. It's it's like steroids for. pool. But I also hear you on the podcast. when we've done it before. Like you stay. dialed in to a degree. Like maybe you. don't have the same recall. >> That's right. But that's that's the. point that that I was making earlier. It's different for everybody. It's not. like I am different than other people.

There's there's people that don't think. the way I think. They don't they don't. have life experiences that I have. They. don't have the ability to manage like. the weirdness that comes with weed, which. >> Yeah. >> The paranoia I like. >> Yeah. >> I genuinely like. >> you kind of need Do you like that voice. just kind of question you a little bit. like don't get too big for your. britches? Yes, I like it. I like being. scared. I think it's good for you. >> Yes. >> As long as you use it wisely, like you. take that weirdness like, "Oh, maybe I. should go give him a call and explain. myself better. Maybe I should reach out.

Maybe I should do this. Maybe I should. do that. Maybe I should like make it. easier for these people. Maybe I should, you know, it makes me like very. considerate." And I think it's a really. potent tool for managing your state of. mind. But that's just for me. I don't. know how your mind works. I could would. only be pretending, >> right? Like we're all on a different. mind journey, too, right? >> Yes. >> If you're a person who was beaten by.

their parents and you were [ __ ]. mugged and then this happened to you and. that happened to you and you got [ __ ]. over at work and it and now here you are. there. Like that's very different than a. person who's had a lot of like success. and been real lucky and got to a point. and has a healthy. >> mindset. Maybe it's more nostalgic. You. kind of smoking weed thinking about, you. know, it gives you time to separate a. little bit from being in the grind. versus. >> Well, my point is like if you're all. [ __ ] up, maybe pot's not for you. Yeah. >> Right. If you're a real mess and you're. like barely hanging on like to regular.

life, maybe freaking yourself out with. potent THC is not the way to go. >> Especially these days. >> Yeah. this. What I'm getting at is like. maybe as your journey progresses and you. get healthy and you get more confident. and strong and more successful, maybe. then. >> Yes, >> maybe not even then. Maybe that's not. your thing. You you have to be honest. about what's your thing. >> You know, you have to find and the. problem with things being illegal is you. don't have that opportunity. And then. you have people that had bad personal. experiences with it and they're like, "Pop makes you stink. Pot makes you a.

dummy." Maybe it does that for you, okay? But it doesn't do that for me. For. me, it makes me nicer to my friends. It. makes me want to pet my dog. It makes me. want to chill out. It's like, it makes. me want to have fun with my friends. Makes me want to laugh. It doesn't make. me stink. Well, it probably makes me. stink, but it doesn't make me uh any dumber, that's for sure. And it makes me more. inquisitive. It makes me more interested. in. for sure subjects that I have no.

understanding of that are fascinating, like cosmology. There's nothing like. getting high and watching a space. documentary. >> just to try to put it into perspective. like what what it is we're living in. what what is re the reality of the. physical universe and its majesty that's. above your head every day like that is. >> when you're high you're like how am I. not paying attention to this is really a. crazy thing that this is probably the. most profound. experience that a person could ever have. in their life is like being on a planet.

going through space and we completely. take it for granted. >> Yeah, I think to a degree it's good to. have some kind of cadence where you have. something that allows you to kind of. step back from yourself. >> Yeah, I think it's. >> weed. It could be some mushrooms. >> Could be just meditative like breathing. exercises, yoga class. Yeah. Doing. something or running. That's I think. that's a lot of the high of running you. know when people like really exert. themselves like you're just thinking. about your breath. You're just getting after it and you're. five, six miles in and when you're done.

you're like. that runner's high is 100% real. >> Oh yeah, >> 100% real. And um that's how they're. getting it and that's how they're. separating themselves. And I think a. person who can regularly run on a on a. regular basis miles and miles and miles. that's a special person. That's a very. unusual person. That's a person of will. You know, >> a person who could just at any time you. can just tag them, let's go run and they. can run. Like that's what Gogggins and.

Cam Haynes do to each other. These. [ __ ] psychopaths. >> Cam Hannes like calls Gogg and say, "Hey, I'm in Vegas. Let's go running.". And so, uh, Gogggins calls out a spot. check. Like if you have a true friend, he spot checks you. Those [ __ ]. ran a marathon in the streets of Las. Vegas. They ran 26 miles just. >> just because. >> Yeah. At like a six-minute mile pace. Like bananas. just bananas. Like out of nowhere, like. you didn't know I was coming. I call. you. Let's go. Let's go running. Let's.

see what's up. And two [ __ ] complete. total psychopaths running 26 miles in. the Las Vegas heat. >> Nuts. >> Sick. >> Yeah. So, there's people like that out. there that are just different and their. their journey to be different is taken a. long time to get to where they are right. now. >> What are your beliefs around cuz I have. mine just from my experience. What are. your beliefs on where they were before. they were born? Do you think that this. is. >> they have something in them because of a. previous life?

>> Oh, I don't know. That's a good. question. If if previous lives were true. proven to be true, >> which right now they're not. It's like. just an idea because you can't know. How. could you know? But a lot of people in a. lot of religions and a lot of different. cultures have believed in reincarnation. >> There's actually I think um what. university? Maybe University of. Virginia. There's a whole department. that's studying people who've had these. like near-death experiences that are. going back and talking about previous. lives. >> It's a interesting question, but it's. there's no there's no evidence, right?

There's no data. >> Jamie, I don't know if you've seen this. or heard of it. >> Well, I mean, even if these people have. stories, unless they have stories that. match up with historical facts. >> Yeah. Well, I think it is oftentimes I. think it's like you have like some kids. who are just telling you about someone. else's life and they should not know it, but they like. >> I have heard those stories. Yeah. But I. don't know if those are real because one. of the problems is people [ __ ]. >> and they, you know, they they make. things out to be a little bit more. profound than they are. So, it makes for. a better story. And if you're a true.

believer, maybe even juice up the. results a little bit. It's hard to know. >> Yeah. >> But I'm not opposed to the idea of a. reincarnation. And I'm not opposed to. the idea that some people are just. special because it seems like that's. real. It seems like there's certain. people that just emerge and there's just. something about them and it's not. necessarily just the hard work, you. know? It's not necessarily just the. mindset. There's something. >> I like the framework of it of thinking. about this infinite game, you know, cuz. then someone it's like, well, why am I. going to do this work? Like this sounds.

like a lot of work. All this self. introspection. And it's like to. understand that like you're playing this. infinite game. >> And if you deal with your [ __ ] now, then. your life is going to be more peaceful. and have more flow in the future. If you. don't deal with it, this is just, >> you know, you're just kicking the ball. down the road. >> Yeah. Well, that's true. >> At least it is true in this life. And I. don't know. >> I feel it could be true in your next one. as well. >> I If you have a next one, I mean, that's. the thing. It's like maybe it's not as. simple as that. >> We're just assuming every time we wake. up that we're in the same timeline. >> Mhm. But just the idea of going to sleep.

is really kooky. >> Yeah, >> it's really kooky. >> You know, you just you decide to close. your eyes every night and you just. disconnect from physical reality for. hours at a time and it's necessary and. we all just take it for granted. >> Where do we go? >> Oh, normal. I don't know where we go, but I go to a lot of zombies. >> Do you really? >> Oh, yeah. I have a lot of zombie dreams. I have a lot of Last night I had a great. zombie apocalypse dream. >> We need a dream interpreter in here. >> Yeah. Well, I don't think I have a whole.

lot of confidence in the human race. keeping it together. >> You know, at the very best, I'm like 60. 40 plus that we're going to figure it. out. But that 40%. >> during your lifetime or just. >> Yeah. Like how maybe this week, like who. [ __ ] knows? It's all dependent upon. what kind of disaster takes place, you. know? It's all dependent upon uh what. kind of [ __ ] goes down. And when you. look historically, [ __ ] has always gone. down when people thought [ __ ] could. never go down. And that's us right now. And uh that's why zombie movies work.

>> Yeah. And that's why they're making them. way infiltrating into your brain. >> Yeah. I started watching 28 years later, Jim. >> Oh yeah, that'll do it. >> I shut that [ __ ] off. I was about to go. to bed. I was like it was like 8:00 at. night. I'm like, "Let me watch this.". I'm like, "No, no, no." I I figured it. out 10, 15 minutes when they uh I don't. want to say what happens. I don't want. to spoil it. >> You got to watch some Barney after that. But right away I was like, "Okay, this. is one where I'm going to have to do. hours before I go to sleep cuz them. zombie dreams.". >> Even watching like The House of Dragon, Game of Thrones, like some gruesome. stuff before bed.

>> Yeah. Like real hardcore like realistic. violence is rough right before you go to. sleep. >> I mean, just what I know about the mind, how the subconscious works, like it's. just obvious every time I go to bed, I'm. like, "You shouldn't have done that.". >> For sure. For sure. Here's what's. interesting, though. I can watch Brutal. Fights and sleep like a baby. That seems. weird. I wonder why. Me, too. >> That's weird because that's real. violence, right? The stuff that I'm. seeing in the movies I know is. horseshit. >> Yeah. For some reason, it feels more. controlled. >> I don't know. I think I'm just used to. it. Honestly,

>> I think it's like everything else. I. think, you know, there's a lot of. doctors that they'll tell you if they're. being honest with you that um there. comes a time when people die that it. doesn't affect them the same anymore. you know, they're so used to people. dying, especially like emergency room. doctors dealing with like traumatic. injuries and they get accustomed to. people dying. >> I think it's also the idea of like evil. though, you know, if you're watching. something, you're seeing evil take place. versus like for me when I watch MMA, I'm. like, I know these guys. Like I see.

>> I love these guys, you know? I've never. met I've never worked with a guy who I. don't love. They all have great hearts. and like I feel this genuine like. goodness. >> Like I haven't met that many guys. I. don't know them all, but like when I see. it, I don't see like evil. >> There's a lot of really, really, really. good guys and good women that fight in. MMA. And it's because of what we talked. about before. They've gone through. something insanely difficult. They're a. very special person. >> Even people that you don't think are. like great people like. >> like Sean Strickland's super. controversial. Sean Strickland is a.

[ __ ] great guy. If you get him alone, you talk to him, he's a great guy. He's. super smart, super disciplined, saved up. a ton of money. You know, he was talking. the other day about like he's got like. four million bucks saved. Super smart, man. Good for him. Yeah. So, he could. like retire at any moment, live a simple. life, and never work again, you know, and he's not, but he's outrageous, you. know? He's outrageous. He says wild. [ __ ] but it's also it's like what do. you expect from the way that guy grew. up? Like, he didn't grow up the way you. grew up. >> He's got something to resolve trauma.

>> 100%. >> And I don't know. This is something I. think some fighters think about. It's. like, if I get rid of my trauma, am I. going to be weaker? you know, do I need. this as an edge? I don't believe they. do. That's been my experience. >> Yeah, I don't think they do either. But. then again, some fighters, they go and. do Iaska and they come back and they're. not. >> Kumbaya. Yeah, they don't want to fight. anymore. >> Did Kumbaya? They say that happened to. Deontay. Deontay Wilder went and did. Iaska and he came back. He just it's a. little too peaceful. >> Interesting. >> It's hard to say though because. >> was that before or after the Tyson Fury. fight? >> After. So that's the problem. It's like.

we might be drawing a force a fake. correlation here because those Tyson. Fury fights were [ __ ] brutal. Yeah, they were brutal. >> I feel like speaking of belief, right? He had an identity that was bulletproof, that was unbreakable. And I watched all. the excuses. >> Yeah, >> Jon, no offense. >> Yeah, no offense. No offense, but his. excuses were kind of crazy. >> Yeah, I think they're just a byproduct. of like he believed he was unbeatable, so he had to come up with something to. tell the story about how he lost. >> for himself. It wasn't even I don't even. think it was malicious. I think he was.

trying to cope with what is this reality. now? >> Yeah. Well, what he was was a. spectacular puncher who wasn't a real um. fluid and uh movementbased boxer, right? He wasn't a guy like Usyk. Like Usyk is. the most fluid movementbased boxer the. heavyweight division has seen since. Muhammad Ali, right? >> So what he was was what Teddy Atlas. calls the eraser. like all the mistakes. he made, it was one right hand and they. were they were erased. That he's the.

most spectacular one punch knockout. artist in the history of the sport, I. think. >> I mean, his powers and not a big guy. Not in comparison. He fought Tyson Fury. the first time. He told me he was 209. That's crazy. >> And flatlined him in like what the 11th. round? Oh, the 12th, right? Dropped him. in the 12th. >> Yeah. They like a minute left or. something. But that 12th round changed. the course of the rematches because. Tyson Fury realized that if he goes. after Deontay and he gets him on his. back foot, he doesn't fight as well. >> Yeah. >> And so then he figured it out and he. just took it to him. And then he took it. to him in the second fight and took it. to him in the third fight.

>> But yeah, it's hard when you hear a guy. like that make excuses. But you. understand, you do more than anybody, the destruction of the belief system and. how difficult it is for fighters to. manage that. >> Yeah. But if you do the work to rebuild. it afterwards, you're stronger, >> right? But you have to do the work, right? And for a lot of guys, again, they don't totally know where to start. Like say if they have a camp and inside. their camp, they have a trainer or they. have the strength and conditioning guy, they have uh, you know, different. coaches for different aspects of their.

whatever they're doing, whether it's a. stretch coach or a boxing coach or, you. know, whatever it is, >> but they don't have a mental guy, you. know, they don't have someone who works. with you and really make sure that your. mind has the tools to manage it itself. out of there. And they don't know where. to start. Like where do you if you're a. guy and you're training, you know, let's. any contender and then he gets knocked. out and he comes back from that knockout. and you're rebuilding him, but he's got. all these confidence issues now. Like. where do you even look? Like if you're. like, I got to help this guy get back on. track mentally, get him back to where he.

was before. Look, he got caught. It. happens, but. >> he's still an amazing boxer and he's. just got to recover from this and he can. still get back on the horse and still be. a world champion. >> But where do they even start? You know, if they don't know you, where do they. start? Yeah. Well, I think they start by. going through the process of just. feeling into it. And it's always diving. into the where you don't want to go, right? It's okay. >> What What are the insecurities coming up. now? What are the fears coming up? What. are the doubts? Usually, we try to like. stay in our head and escape that. It's. about going into it, feeling, feeling,

feeling into it and then seeing what. comes up there and even like writing it. down and just bring it into awareness. Once you have awareness of it, then you. can actually do something about it. >> Then you can manage it. >> Yes. >> Yeah. So this book, how long did it take you. to write it? >> Uh like six months. >> The success code. >> What was a year? But. >> the high performance playbook for. eliminating mental barriers and scaling. your career, relationships, and health. >> So did you think about like different. approaches to like different kinds of.

occupations and different kinds of ways. people are living their life and how it. applies? >> So the first half of the book is my. story. It's kind of like, okay, >> I'm trying to build rapport. So I tell. people this is how I learned all this. stuff. This is how it worked for me. These are my client stories. So by the. end of the first part, >> you either like this guy's full of [ __ ]. or I believe you, right? And then the. playbook starts. And it it is something. that anyone can use because it's it's. simple stuff like it starts with like. grade the different areas of your life. from 1 to 10, right? And then we're.

looking at closing the gap in each area. If you're like my career is at a four, I. want it to be at a 10. Okay. Let's to. get the lowhanging fruit of like what. are some of the things you need to stop. doing? >> That vodka, >> right? the vodka. Let's cut that out. Right. >> Those three glasses in the morning. Stop. >> Yep. >> And just going through that that. auditing system of understanding like. what's holding you back, what need more. conscious conscientious about? And then. I start getting into the training for. the mind later on. >> Do this system this uh writing this. stuff down and having these numbers. Is. this something that you invented? Is.

this something you learned? >> Yeah. Something I invented. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So you just How did you come to that. conclusion that that's how you should do. it? >> Works. Yeah. Disc works. >> works for you, works for clients, >> my clients. Yeah. >> So, when you first started doing it, was. it sort of like, >> what's the best way to mentally manage. this situation for this person? >> Just trying to solve their problems. That's all I'm trying to do. Just being. really creative with my problem solving. And so, over the years, I just picked up. better tools. I've gotten better at.

practicing things to be able to solve. problems better. >> I wanted to be full-time at this at 22. years old. Wasn't going to happen. I. just didn't have the experience. I. didn't have enough tools. That's so. young to want to help other people. You. know, a lot most people at 22 are trying. to help themselves. >> Yeah. It just it worked for me so much. >> and it transformed my life so much that. I was like, well, this is what I'm. supposed to do. I want to help other. people with this. >> Interesting. So, how did it transform. your life? Like what were the big. benefits? >> Where do I begin? Um, I would say it.

started just with coming back the next. season and playing football. I went from. riding the bench to becoming a starter. to being one of the best players on our. team. So it helped me with football. first. I was like, "All right, cool.". That helped. Then I started to get. actually confidence from being able to. help other people, which I didn't have. before. I was never something cuz. football I was like, "Okay, I wasn't. great at it." But once I learned the. skill, I actually started to build. confidence and just learn to manage my. own state, my anxiety, my performance. anxiety, and just starting to feel.

confident. So for the first 10 years or. so about knowing about this probably. first more like nine years I was mostly. using more elementary meditation. techniques some hypnosis some NLP it. wasn't until uh I'd say about seven. years ago that I started going deep into. the beliefs and and that transformed my. life in a major way. I mean one thing I. did recently was I had hypothyroidism. and I was able to completely heal that. naturally. >> How did you do that? changing all the. the underwriting beliefs and then.

everything right everything I do with. any client it's the same thing I'm going. to do for me it's holistic so of course. I went through a huge gut cleanse right. because the gut is everything it's the. foundation so did a lot of fasting. elimination diet cutting out almost all. foods except for a few boiled chicken. bowl carrots coconut oil started slowly. noticing how I felt as I started to. increase the portion and start to bring. other foods in I did red light therapy. There's some good red light therapy.

research out there for the thyroid if. you just put it on. There's a study that. showed that people are able to cut their. medication in half just by using the the. infrared light therapy. Yeah, it's good. for a ton of things. Great for the gut. So, I just started synchronicity, right? I met this lady on the beach in Miami. Beach who studies itself, red light. therapy specifically for the gut. And I. was like, "Well, what about the. thyroid?". >> And she's like, "Yeah, of course it'll. help. It's light. Light heals. everything." So, I just started. researching it. >> So, it was all I did a lot of I cut out. caffeine this year. That was a big thing. that I don't think caffeine creates.

hypothyroidism. But for me, when I. turned on that gene, right, epigenetics, I turned on the gene for I didn't have. to have this, but like my mom has it, my. brother has it. And so I had the gene. and I put it on through stress, through. excessive caffeine and just a very. stressful life in my mid20s. So the way. to turn it off was turn off the things. that are associated with that stress. response. So pulling out the caffeine. just put me more on the parasympathetic. nervous system allowed me to relax more. and then yeah all this stuff and just. noticing the fears come up when I pull.

away my the things I like right the. comfort of the food the comfort of the. caffeine just all my things that I like. all the comfort and just seeing the. fears that came out through that and. just recoding it recoding it this is. going to sound very woo woo but I was. taking the medication because you know. if you ask a doctor they tell you you. have to take this medication for the. rest of your life. >> right. >> and they get mad that you even ask about. what an alternative is. Like I've had. doctors be like, "Be grateful. You just. have to take a pill. Like, get out of. here." But there was actually experience.

I had two years ago where a doctor. wouldn't give me my medication even. though my blood didn't change. He said, "Oh, you're going to have to come back. in here every 3 months. I want to. monitor it." He tried to put me on like. subscription plan to pay more money just. to keep getting it. And it was like. flipped something to me. I was like, "I'm not doing this anymore.". >> Wow. >> I'm going to find a way to get off this. medication. It just. >> this is something that RFK Jr. is trying. to stop is financial incentives. >> The gatekeeper. >> Yeah. >> of this medication. >> Yeah. The financial incentives to. subscri prescribe things and then.

gatekeeping whether or not you can get. useful medication. It's kind of crazy. >> Yeah. But yeah, so um I just had I did. all these things very holistically, right? >> Mhm. >> Doing sodom, doing all these things and. then just feeling into my body. One day. it was just like intuition just told me. I was like, "Hey, you're done. You don't. need it anymore.". >> Wow. >> And so what I did, of course, I asked. Chach GBT. I was like, I can't just stop. taking it. And. >> what did Chbt say? >> It said take one day on, one day off. I. did that. By the third day of taking it.

again, my body rejected it. I felt. terrible. I felt like a depletion of. energy. >> It's just three days. >> The third day of not taking it. Sorry. Third day of taking it. >> Wow. >> So I took it, I didn't take it. And the. day that I took it again, my body. rejected it. And I was like, I get it. I'm done. And I haven't touched it. since. >> That's crazy. I think there's a lot of. things like that. >> Well, I wonder if that that study that. shows that visualization increases. physical strength. Like I want I really. wonder if there's if you have the.

ability to accentuate healing if you. just concentrate like if you get an. injury and the injury's going to heal, but if if concentrating on that injury. helps it heal more. Oh, >> but how many people actually do that, right? How many people actually like. really visualize something? >> Well, even just the placebo effect of. thinking you got it. So, there's a. study, I think it was done on um ACL. surgeries, could be wrong, could be. miniscus. It was one of these knee. surgeries where they took two groups, they give one one group the surgery, the. other group, they just cut their knee.

open and they sewed it right back up. Same results over whatever the. >> Wait a minute. It can't be ACL surgery. because ACL is a stabilizing ligament. >> It was one of these knee surgeries. >> Yeah. and they had the same results. >> That doesn't make sense. That that seems. out here. That seems a little wacky. because ACL's are it's that's a that's. in the center that keeps it from moving. side to side and up and down. >> Maybe it was meniscus. >> Maybe that makes more sense. >> Meniscus surgeries are rough because.

when they take it out, then you have. this hole there. You have like a gap. missing depending on how much you take. out. And some guys get a bunch of their. meniscus taken out. guys even get like. artificial meniscus put in or um donor. meniscus, >> you know. >> But I mean, was that book? >> I think visualization is a factor. >> and belief. >> Yeah. >> If you you're not going to regrow your. ACL though with your brain. >> No. >> If it's not connected, get that [ __ ]. fixed. But because I know a lot of guys. who didn't and then eventually they did.

I know a lot of guys that got their ACL. blown out and they just tried to rehab. it, but it kept grinding. So, they're. always it's always slipping out. They're. always tearing their meniscus more. It's. like, "Fuck, dude. Just get it fixed. >> Get it fixed. Six months later, you'll. be back on the math. Get it fixed. >> Get your ACL fixed.". >> Yeah. Get your ACL fixed. >> Yeah. No, it's wild, though. I mean, if. you start going down this rabbit hole of. seeing like how many placebo studies. have been done, that's why it's so hard. to find drugs that actually work. >> This is weird. I think that's the sort. of. >> Okay, what does it say? >> Uh, 180 patients, osteoarthritis, knee. surgery.

>> We're randomly assigned to receive. arthoscopic. >> debridement. brideman. arthoscopic lavage or placebo surgery. Patients in a placebo uh group received. skin incisions and underwent a similar. debridement. without insertion of the arthoscope. Patients and assessors of the outcome. were blinded to the treatment group. assignment. Outcomes were assessed at. multiple points over a 24-month period. with the use of five self-reported. scores. three on scales for pain and two.

on scales for function and one uh. objective test of walking and stair. climbing. A total of 165 patients. completed the trial results. At no point. did either of the intervention groups. report less pain or better function than. the placebo group. Interesting. for uh but this is just like I always. wonder like how bad was their injury? What you know what are we talking about? How many people were there? How many. people were in this group? 165 patients.

>> Conclusions in this controlled trial. involving patients with osteoarthritis. of the knee. The outcomes after. arthoscopic lavage or arthoroscopic. debridement were no better than those. after a placebo procedure. That's kind. of nuts, man. >> And I think like it's weird how we talk. about the placebo that way. It's kind of. like diminishing it. It's like, yeah, look, it didn't work. But that's not. what happened. The people believe they. got the surgery, >> right? That's the [ __ ] up part about. placebo effects. It's measurable. Like.

the benefits are measurable. >> Like those people did they did heal. They did have less pain. They did. >> But the question is like would they have. healed anyway without it? >> I don't know. Or is it because they. believe that they were healed that it. relaxed them and then they were. thinking, okay, it's healing now. I got. the surgery. It's on the right track. It's getting better now. And maybe if. they had that mindset, if they could. figure out a way to make that mindset. without the surgery, they could have. just do it. Yeah. Belief. >> Belief. All right, dude. The success. code. Um, did you have a an audible or.

an audio version of this? >> It's on Spotify's Audible. >> Did you read it? >> I did read it. >> Nice. I I love when you. >> hear all my my dirty stuff. >> Read their own stuff and a bunch of. people um sing your praises in the back. of the book. And uh. >> you can look up my name cuz I rebranded. it and I haven't changed the name on. Spotify. So just look up brands and. you'll find the book. >> What do you mean you re rebranded the. book? >> Yeah. >> What's it called on Spotify? Program to. fail. >> Okay, we'll let people know. Yeah. So. they could. >> program to fail on Audible. Okay. Success code on every.

>> All right. Beautiful. Thanks, brother. It was fun. >> Thank you, brother. >> All right. Bye, everybody. [Music].