Joe Rogan Experience #2359 - Mike Maxwell

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> Hey, Mike Maxwell. What's happening, Joe. Rogan? >> My man. Good to see you. Um, >> it's good to be here. >> For anybody who doesn't know, Mike. Maxwell is an amazing artist and did not. just that painting with Quinton. Tarantino in front of it, which is. >> pretty [ __ ] cool, but also the JRE. logo. >> Yeah, the logo. That was funny. How many years ago was.

that? Like 15 [ __ ] years ago. >> Yeah, it has to be. I think you were. like on episode 10 maybe. >> Yeah, >> that's crazy. >> Yeah. And super [ __ ] random, too. Like I get the question all the time. like how the [ __ ] did you do that, you. know? And for me, like my whole like art. experience has just been like make the. work and whatever the [ __ ] happens. afterwards is just all bonus, you know? >> Well, if the work is great, that works, you know? You know, it's like you got to.

you have to be discovered. Somebody has. to find you. But yeah, ultimately it's. about talent. >> Yeah. And and you know, >> hard work too. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yeah. >> I mean because that talent really. doesn't come like artists so often are. like people like ah I like I wish I. could draw like you're so lucky like. god-given talent. I'm like, [ __ ] I had. to [ __ ] I work every day and have. been grinding at this for 25 26 years. >> There's no God-given talent with art.

There's some people have an openness or. maybe an ability to see things. differently than others, but when it. comes to the actual technique. >> Yeah. and developing that fine hand eye. coordination and the the ability to draw. exact or paint exactly what you're. looking for. God, that's work. That's. work, man. >> Yeah. And it nothing came easy. Like I. feel like there's some artists and like. some creative people who they have some.

like uh inert talent that's in there. somewhere or it's like we have the right. brain chemistry to like get started. But. like I'm still improving. 20 25 26 years. in, I'm still recognizing improvements. >> Yeah. I thought that that particular one. that we just posted a picture of, that. was like one of your best ones. That. that is [ __ ] amazing. >> I told like I probably put more time and. effort into that piece than anything I'd. made previously. >> Look at that thing. I mean, that is so. sick. That is so sick. And it's like.

that is this show. >> Yeah. Right. And what's funny, like that. piece was really like all the components. were just separate drawings that I had. been like compiling. Oh wow. >> And then it like eventually just kind of. formed itself. >> Like sometimes I just let the work do do. what it needs to do. Sometimes it's. almost like I feel disconnected from it. >> and I have like there gets to a point. after like all the like prep work where. it's like the painting starts to paint.

itself. >> Like it tells me what it wants. >> Yeah. >> It's very strange. Like there'll be a. moment where it's like I could feel. something's not right and then like I. can't consciously think of okay well I. need to do A and C but it's kind of like. I sit and wait and something tells me. right. >> it's so crazy that you say it that way. because so many people including authors. in particular they they talk about the. exact same kind of process. It's like. something just comes to you. >> Yeah. And that's I've I've done a little.

bit of writing and I've I've recognized. that in writing too where like I'm. telling a story and then all of a sudden. it's like the characters come to life. >> Yeah. >> And they start to dictate what's. actually going to happen. >> Yeah. >> Like it writes itself eventually. But. you have to do all that beginning. >> work like the prep work like you have to. get the idea going and then once you're. a certain like path in. like it starts to it starts to. communicate with you. I always wondered.

why that's maybe that's why Stephen King. wrote his best work when he was coked up. and drunk. >> because he was out of his head. Yeah. >> He could get away from his own head. >> Yeah. >> I know that sounds ridiculous especially. to sober people that don't you know what. I mean? Like they don't want to admit. that there's there's that's there's a a. net positive effect of some people with. drugs and writing. Hunter S. Thompson is. a giant example. >> Yeah. He's one of my favorite authors. and it's a giant example. The guy was an.

ineterate drug user. Yeah. He was a. [ __ ] complete maniac. He was always. drunk and he wrote some [ __ ] that just. to this day cuts to the core. >> of our society. Yeah. Like he was. >> he's one of my all-time heroes. Like I. started reading him when I was in high. school. I've read all almost everything. I think. >> Um I even like the Hey Rube stuff. >> Yeah. >> Like a lot of people are like uh like he. was in his decline. But I remember when. that was coming at like pretty early. internet, right? Like no social media,

>> but those little articles would pop up. and I I still enjoyed it. Like I I love. everything that that he made. >> Well, he at the end was gone. He was. really gone. And Mccumber uh so David. Mccumber, who is his editor, who also. co-wrote a book with my friend Tony. Anagoni, that's one of the great pool. books. It's called Playing Off the Rail. It's a really and for anybody who's a a. fan of Pool the Game, it's an amazing. book about a guy whose name is Tony. Anagoni who was a world-class player who.

went on the road with a journalist and. just gambled across the country. Yeah. >> And did did it like a real pool hustler. would in the the most dangerous, dingiest places playing against. highlevel guys for, you know, $10,000. sets and 24-hour joints in New York. City. >> It's an amazing book. Well, McCumber was. Hunter's editor, too, at one point in. time, and Mccumber got him towards the. end to like there's video of See if you.

can find video of Hunter Thompson and. David Mccumber having a conversation cuz. Hunter was. >> He must have been a [ __ ] nightmare. >> Nightmare. Never got his stuff in on. time. He He famously would destroyed a. fax machine because he did because he. was supposed to fax his pages to Rolling. Stone magazine. that video when he's in. the Rolling Stones office and uh Yon Wer. is like like looks like the whole. building's going to [ __ ] burn down. Just panic.

>> I mean, just try to imagine controlling. a guy like that. You can't he can't. control himself. But. >> out of that, sometimes. something that no one else is capable of. writing comes through. >> Yeah. >> And it was much less so at the end. It. got away from him at the end, which it's. going to do that. Cocaine and alcohol, you're not going to. It's unsustainable. >> at that level for that long. >> It's unsustainable. Everybody I know. that has done a lot of coke. They at the. end they're a mess. It's a neurological. conditions. All sorts of weird [ __ ].

happens to them. >> Yeah. You can't fry your brain for. >> you're frying. And these guys were. frying. Well, it's like it's the deficiency. afterwards, right? So, you've used up. all the available dopamine that you have. in your brain and it's just like, well, [ __ ] it. I had a friend who was a crack. addict who uh was also friends with my. friend who ran a pool hall but also was. involved in recovery and was involved in. helping people's with recovery. He was. so he was. >> after the fact.

>> well he was helping people that were. getting sober and he wasn't trying to. help my friend Johnny. My my friend. Johnny didn't want any help. like, "Fuck. your help.". >> I'm smoking crack. >> And um he was explaining to me the whole. dopamine thing. The dopamine and. serotonin receptors just get cooked. >> and then you're so depressed that you. need it just to feel normal. >> Yeah. You're you're always at a below. baseline, right? You know, I kind of. feel like I fall into that little. category a little bit to where it's like. I'm just below baseline normal and like.

a couple like like I don't get super. excited for [ __ ] but it'll be like. something something that I'm looking. forward to will kind of just get me to. baseline like right around normal. And I. I sometimes wonder like I used to do a. lot of LSD when I was a teenager and I I. wonder like. >> define a lot. I mean, we had we had one. summer that me and my boys just it was. like every two days like, you know, at. twice a week. >> How old are you?

>> 16. >> Oh, >> yeah. But also at the you know, at the. same time, maybe that has. >> had some power in the sort of creative. aspect too. Right. >> Right. Even even if it's just like. looking at the world differently, which. is just so common with psychedelics, right? >> Right. just kind of gives you some. perspective that's so far removed from. our normal day-to-day reality. >> Right. >> Right. So, it's like you. >> I think for me it's like what more am I.

not seeing, you know? Like like what am. I what am I missing in my normal reality. that maybe exists, but I it could be. total [ __ ] Like I don't know. It. might not have done anything for my. creativity, but you know, I it seems to. have a profound effect on a lot of. people that have experiences and just. they'll talk about like this one like. didn't Steve Jobs talk about it one LSD. experience and just kind of shifted the. way you thought about things. Oh, here.

it is. >> with those tiny shorts on [ __ ] great. >> This is the document. The crazy. >> walking around with a gun. Can't even understand them. >> People screw them in the afternoon golf. course. Lumber thieves. Firewood. thieves. One of these things in his. stomach turning a person around. What. can I do? I was behind the fence. >> No, I had a. >> I couldn't call. I I uh I mentioned all. the cab. >> We've got to get seriously busy here.

>> Okay. >> Keep calling me every seal in our name. You dirty suck. You dirty stupid. bastard. I've had a whole fit. >> You flaming [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Well, >> well, we were we're an hour away from uh. predition here. >> Well, not to mention the first edition. >> I don't uh I guess uh. this probably better. Look at.

>> the computer. >> It's hard to tell. >> Look at the computer. I wonder what year this was. >> Uh 80. This came out in ' 88, so. probably like ' 87. When did people. first start having computers? >> When did you have your first computer, J? You were You're younger than. >> Mine was later than that, though. I had. like Windows, I think, was our first. one. >> And what year? Like 95. >> No, we had whatever Windows was before. that. >> 3.8 or whatever it was. >> Just went one. >> What was is that what it was? >> When Windows 95 came out? That's It was.

a big day. >> It was a big day. I remember. >> could do stuff. I my I got an Apple. computer from uh Comp USA in 1994. >> Yeah, I think I was right around like. 97. Big ass [ __ ] thing, too. >> But my friend Robbie knew what to buy. My friend Robbie, God, either he worked. in computers or his brother worked in. computers, so he took me to Comp USA. I. had no idea. I'm like, what is this? My. mom um she worked in a computer lab at. the community college in San Diego and.

she was like one of the first to start. using Apple products. Like everything. was PC in the spot and. >> she knew like something was like getting. ready to pop off and she was like like. she had the first iPhone like early uh. like those [ __ ] Apples that you know. it looked like a TV from the 80s just. weighed 600 lb. and actually like got into graphic. design early and that's kind of how I. started doing some because I I made art.

my whole life but started doing some. design like learning how to actually use. the [ __ ] computer and now like I. learned. >> what kind of programs were available. back then? >> Uh Photoshop and Illustrator were out. but it was like one and two. >> Wow. >> Yeah. and she was in there and and. taught me how to do it. And then like I. still like do graphic design, but it's. like it's from like I still use the. techniques from like 1999. >> Wait, it kind of shows you that there's. a lot of like untapped comedic talent in.

the tech industry because memes were one. of the first forms of new comedy. >> Yeah. >> That hit the internet. And it had to be. by someone who knew how to work the old. school Photoshops. >> Yeah. >> So you had to have some technical. understanding of the programs. You had. to view it was probably people that were. using them already. >> You know, they were graphic artists and. they were like, "Fuck this guy. Let's. make a funny meme.". >> Yeah. Cuz I mean before before that you. had to do everything by hand. It was a.

lot of like cut and paste and like. >> Yeah. >> and like different techniques. It was. everything was by hand. When did memes. like really funny memes first start. appearing? I had I feel like it has to. be like 2000 99 2000 the internet meme. Dawkins concept 1972. >> right. >> internet 19. >> that was that book that he had right the. selfish gene. >> it's what was it in that that dancing. baby was coming up. >> yeah that's that I feel like that's the.

earliest. >> the dancing baby was the first. >> yeah from like a TV show. >> oh yeah a terrible animated dancing baby. what year was that. >> bro That's a thuff of nightmares. If. you're in the woods, you see a dancing. baby that looks like that. The uncanny. valley dancing baby with those [ __ ]. That would be so scary. You imagine if. you saw punt it. You would have to punt. it, >> bro. You'd have to run. You If you kick. it, it grabs a hold of you and bites you. like a wolf. >> Yeah. What if it runs like [ __ ] 100. miles an hour? >> Well, you're going to find out. At least.

you'll find out. Actually, if you run, it's worse cuz then you're tired and. it's probably right there watching you. Yeah. You You're just trying to catch. your breath and you see it little face. bush. >> No, no, no. It stays just far enough. from you that you think you have to run. If it's really trying to trying to scare. you, it doesn't want to jump on you. And. once it gets really close for a long. time for a long time so it wears. everything out. >> You want to wear it out. >> Like that's how you do it if you're. chasing a person.

You don't just run up on them. That just. spoils all the fun, >> right? Isn't that like the old school. hunters, too? Just like chasing a pack. of deer for. >> Oh, yeah. That's why human beings can. run so long. But that's a different. thing. They're overheating them. It's. That's called uh It's called persistence. hunting. >> Yeah. >> That's why there's so many amazing. marathon runners come from that part of. the world cuz like these guys have a. history of literally running animals to. their death, >> right? [ __ ] crazy. >> Who had to figure that out too? Who's.

like, "Well, I got five miles in me.". >> Yeah. Let me just keep [ __ ] I need 10. >> Let me just keep running until this deer. stops running. Like, how would you ever. think that you a deer you would. eventually catch it? >> Yeah. >> Especially if they're so [ __ ] fast. >> They're so [ __ ] fast. Like, how would. you think that one day that antelope was. going to get tired? Like, how would you. even have that in your head? >> Yeah. >> That it couldn't just take a break. It's. going to be 300 yards ahead of you like. that. >> I love those. >> Take a break, catch its breath. >> They didn't even know that it's the. issue is the animals don't have sweat. glands,

>> so they overheat. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. So, we have sweat glands. >> And of course, they weren't biologists, so they also didn't know that either. >> Well, that's why we're so weird. We're. such a weird animal. >> And that our bodies really can kind of. adapt to different climates and they. self-cool and regulate. Like some. animals, if they're outside of their. climate range, they're [ __ ] Yeah. Like they're in deep [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> You know, like uh Marshall over here, where are you, buddy? >> Other side. >> Oh. Oh, he's right here. He's right. beside me. Um, we have to, you know, if.

we're going to exercise in Texas, we. have to do it in the morning, right? >> Or we have to jump in the pool cuz, you. know, his body's adapted for cold. He's. got this crazy wool coat that he wears. everywhere he goes. >> It sucks. But for us, man, we can we. sweat. And they figured out, I guess, a. long time ago that these animals, if you. just keep running after them, eventually. they just can't do it anymore. And then. they lay down and then you [ __ ] stab. them. >> Yeah. That's so [ __ ] wild.

>> But it it made insane runners. >> Yeah. >> You're running. The only way you're. going to feed your children is if you. run after that deer, bro, you're going. to become a [ __ ] runner. >> And now the evolutionary process is like. you go to the Olympics. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And they have you like this on the. cover of Wedies. >> It It is. It It really is interesting. cuz like that's before I started doing. jiu-jitsu like that was what I was. doing. I was running. >> Oh. >> Like And but it just got [ __ ] boring. >> Yeah. It got boring. And that that's. when I was like, "Okay, I got to find.

something else." Cuz. >> yeah, that's what most people the. problem they have with the gym. And. jiu-jitsu is the opposite of boring. Jiu-jitsu is it's one of the most. rewarding things in life because it's. super hard to do. It's really good for. your head. Like jiu-jitsu people in. general, like you get [ __ ] in all. walks of life and female [ __ ] do. Uh, but for a lack of a better word, but. you you get the nicest people. Like for. the most part, you get people of. character. Yeah. Because you have to.

have character to stick it out to be. doing jiu-jitsu. If you're if you've. been doing jiu-jitsu eight years, >> I can 99% sure I can hang out with you. Yeah. Like you're a dude who's got his. [ __ ] together. >> It's almost like we're like distant. family members or something. >> 100%. >> Yeah. >> 100%. It's like you recognize you've. been through this thing, you know? I. started doing jiu-jitsu in 96. So 96 I was at Carlson G's place. I was. 29. 29. >> Yeah. See I start I started at 30. So.

like around the same time. >> Yeah. Around the same time. And and I. started right after it was kind of like. a year or two after I first saw the UFC, >> you know. It was right around that time. >> Yeah. >> And so I started at Carlson Gracy's. place in um in LA that was right down. the street from the comedy store. It's. real close to the comedy store. And um. that was when Vtor Belffort was he had. just fought John Hess in Hawaii and he. was about to enter the UFC. >> and that that was that first crew in. California from Brazil too.

>> Exactly. Yeah. >> Yeah. Marilla Bamante, >> you know, there was a a whole ton of. these guys that came from Brazil. Um. >> I think Maderos was there too. >> Mario Sperry was there. >> I got to train with Mario Sperry dude. when I was a white belt. >> That's wild. And he didn't have no idea. who the [ __ ] I was cuz I wasn't anybody. I wasn't famous at all. Yeah. >> And uh he was the [ __ ] nicest guy in. the world, man. >> You know, he's he he explain Mario Spar. explained to us how he got his triangle. really good. He would make his. girlfriend sit in his guard and he would.

just triangle and she would complain and. be like, "Stop. Stop. Just let me do. this.". Let me use your body to practice. triangles. >> I mean, cuz that's what it takes. It's. It's kind of hard to do it by yourself. >> I have a dummy, but I don't use it. I. have one of them. I used to have a. Gracie dummy back home in LA. >> Yeah. Every gym has one that just sits. in the corner and nobody [ __ ]. >> You really want to do it with people. >> Yeah. >> It's so just, you know, the difference. between the rolling and the drilling. Like the the people that get really. good, they they put this the shitty work.

in. >> Yeah. >> You know, the long drilling sessions, that boring ass [ __ ]. >> Yeah, you have to. I I have because I. teach now and like. >> What belt do you know? >> I'm a black belt. >> Oh, snap, son. When I met you, what were. you? >> Uh, I was probably a purple belt me. >> How did we meet? >> [ __ ] I don't even remember how we met. cuz it was so long ago. >> Well, it's like Yeah, like I get I get. the the question answer that question. >> That's funny. >> Um, well, I So, my sister worked at the.

comedy store in La Hoya as a waitress. She's She's a nurse now. Um, and you. were doing a show at somewhere downtown. at like the Balboa Theater, probably. maybe. Yeah. And it was sold out. And, uh, I just hit her up and was like, "Hey, do you think you can get me. tickets?" Uh, cuz she knew everybody. from the store in La Hoya. >> And Ari ended up getting a pair of. tickets for me. And so I went to the.

show, whatever. >> Did you know Ari already? >> My sister was friends with Ari. >> Oh, okay. >> Um, yeah. I didn't know anybody yet. And. uh maybe two weeks later, she hits me. up. He's like, "Hey, can you do a poster. for our marquee for it was Ari um. Tony Hinchcliffe. >> and I it was supposed to be Duncan. Trussell, but maybe it was Duncan, but regardless, um and from what I remember, you must.

have seen that poster at some point.". >> That makes sense. Yeah, that makes. sense. >> And then we did the we did the Atlanta. 420 show. >> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah. So, that was probably I feel like. I met you before cuz I popped in on one. of those uh those Ice House Chronicles. from back in the day. >> Oh, those were fun. Look at that one, man. What a great one. >> Yeah, that was the 420 show. Look. So, that was 2012. >> God damn, time flies, son. >> Yeah. And so, that ended up becoming the.

the graphic for the logo. We had the. microphone. It's perfect. >> Duncan with the little hit of acid on. his tongue. >> It's the perfect logo. I mean, you. [ __ ] nailed it. Now it's everywhere. That's got to be weird. >> Yeah, it's it's [ __ ] strange. Um. >> almost like disconnected from it. >> Yeah. Like like of course it's grow. It's like it's its own thing. But every. time I see it, like I know like I drew. that by hand. Like I have the ink. drawings still. >> That's crazy. >> Yeah. It's pretty [ __ ] wild. I, you.

know, I put stuff out into the world all. the time. I have thousands of paintings, thousands of different [ __ ] places, but I mean, more people see this image. than. guaranteed all the other ones. >> Well, more people see that image than. anything else I've ever done. >> Yeah, >> that image is everywhere. >> Yeah, it's pretty wild. What a what a. [ __ ] weird trip, right? I mean, you. had I I went to the show on Tuesday and. you were doing the like Q&A at the end. and somebody had asked you about like.

what your goals are. >> Yeah. >> And you were like, I I don't have any. And I'm kind of in that same routine. where like what I was saying like I do. the work, zero expectations. Like what. happens will happen and I'm just along. for the ride. Well, that's I think. >> as long as you put the actual energy. into the work. I I think at least for me. and you, that's the way to do it. I. don't have like people there's a lot of. people out there with vision boards. I. was talking to this dude the other day.

He's got this vision board and he's got. all these goals he wants for his company. and goals all he wants for his life and. this and that. I'm like, I get it. That. probably works too. >> That probably works too. But for me, I. just only I feel like I only want to. think about the process. I want to put. all my energy into thinking about the. process. >> cuz that's the rewarding part for a. creator, right? Like me in the studio by. myself painting. I I get that clear mind. where it's like I I feel like I [ __ ]. meditate.

>> six hours a day, >> you know, just from work. every day just. from work because. >> at some point in the painting process. >> like the paintbrush turns into a mantra. almost to where like everything in my. mind just like in jiu-jitsu like. everything shuts off because we're in a. hyperfocused. like mode of accomplishing a task. >> Right. Right. >> Right. And that's for me painting all. the reward is that. >> Yeah. It's those moments those even when. I [ __ ] hate it cuz there's plenty of. times where I'm like this [ __ ].

painting. like I can't get it like I know where I. want it to go but it's it's like well. first you're going to have to take 35. [ __ ] steps before you can get there. >> right. >> and my you know like. >> I know that like the finishing a. painting is a little bit like a drug. I. don't know if you ever experienced this. Maybe like after getting off stage or. something, >> but it's like there's a little like. dopamine reward. >> when it's done. >> When it's complete and done, >> you're like, "Ah, look at that.". >> Yeah. It's like catching your breath. >> Yeah. I used to feel like sketches. I.

used to feel like that with drawings. when I made but on a smaller scale, obviously. >> I think it's the same thing with martial. arts cuz, you know, people always talk. about martial arts as being a moving. meditation. Yeah. You know, I think I. think and if you thought about martial. arts, like if you if you were white belt. and you thought about all the time that. it's going to take before you become a. black belt, you're like, "Oh my god, >> yeah, >> I can't do this." But if you just think. about the process, >> the process will get you there. >> Yeah. You just have to just only be.

thinking about this idea, this process. of improvement of dialing it in that. there's and people oftentimes refer to. martial arts as a moving meditation. because to do it right, you're kind of. out of your own way. >> Like did you ever do any did you do much. striking? >> Uh I did a year Muay Thai. >> Um I got punched in the face a lot. >> I actually I found my brain not. functioning quite the same way. >> Oh, getting hit. >> Yeah. And I even found myself like. getting frustrated which was stupid.

>> like. >> to be fair. >> Yeah. >> Well, like in in the process of of Muay. Thai. >> Oh, okay. >> Like I had a coach and this was forever. ago who was kind of a prick and just he. had eight morning students who knew. [ __ ] dick and we were terrible, you. know? >> Oh, and he wanted to be coaching pros, right? >> That's what it seemed like. like very. very distant and like like phoning it. in. >> And I I recognized myself kind of.

getting frustrated with it. But when I. was in jiu-jitsu class, if somebody. caught me in something, I found myself. laughing. >> Interesting. >> To where I was like, "Wow, that like I. never got frustrated. I never got like. down on myself because I I mean my whole. first year, I don't think I tapped a. single person my first year." And I like. I was in a tough gym, you know, it was. the Noggera gym. And so like the whole. first year of them being open, it was. just like the MMA guys were in there. It.

was like pros training for, you know, a. year or six months and then they opened. it up to the public, which is when I got. in. >> Um, and it was just it was just ass. whoopings every day. Like I I remember. my first class like it was yesterday. Like I got when we got to sparring it. was like I got p like I just looked at. another white belt and was like, "Okay, let's try." And neither of us knew what. the [ __ ] we were doing. And the coach. was like, "Hey." And like grabbed this. purple belt who's now he owns um Delmare.

Jiu-Jitsu uh in San Diego. He uh he came. over. He was a purple belt. Just this. [ __ ] like vanilla gorilla and hip. tossed me. >> Oh no. >> And I was like, "What the [ __ ] was. that?" Like I had no idea what had. happened. I was on my back, you know, trying to catch my breath like, "Holy. [ __ ] what was that?" And at that. moment, like I knew I like I thought I. was tough. >> Like I thought I had a little bit of. toughness in me and I was like just a. complete humbling experience but also. like encouraging.

>> Like I feel like it was that singular. hip toss. >> like led me to be a black belt. >> Interesting. So because it was so. overwhelming you were like I need to. learn that. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. And I was at kind of like a weird. phase. So that was probably like around. around 2008 when [ __ ] seemed to be it. was like a little moment of like. everything was going to [ __ ]. >> and like I had this weird feeling. >> This is like the financial crisis. This. was when the banks. >> Yeah. And everybody's money was weird. and it.

>> mortgage collapse thing. Yeah. >> And I felt like if [ __ ] hits the fan. like maybe I should know how to do. something which is such a weird Yeah. Yeah. >> That's a crazy thought. >> It's it's fairly abstract. Like to me it. wasn't like I was like super concerned. or like really serious about it, but I I. had the thought of like if I need to. defend myself or if I need and that's. why I was running too. I was like if I. need to [ __ ] chase down a deer in, you know, until it overheats then, >> right? >> And it it ended up just being a little.

bit of a motivation and then I just. found the joy in it. I always said if I. ever opened a jiu-jitsu gym, I would. call it fun jiu-jitsu. >> Nobody steal that. Just because I mean I. was talking to um Zach, your security. guard uh at the comedy club and uh like. for me I don't get into street fights. I. haven't been in a street fight since I. was a teenager. >> Yeah, me too. >> You know, like I've broken up fights. more often than I've got into them. And. >> you know, one thing I do find that's.

really disconcerting when fights break. out. I don't get nervous. >> That's how beautiful is that? I' I've. had that because I remember when fights. would break out, your your anxiety. shoots up, your heart rate. >> I get weird if like someone close to me. is with me and I'm worried about their. danger. >> Yeah. But the fact that two people are. fighting, I'm so used to it. It's weird. >> I stopped a bar fight a couple years ago. where a group of guys attacked this. dude. One of them got a hold of him and. he he sunk in a guillotine. The the guy.

got taken down right away. a deep. guillotine like all the way up over the. shoulder, you know, like. >> and was not letting him tap. >> was not letting him out. >> No, no, no, no. And I I saw it all sort. of kind of unfolding and I ran up there. and I just whispered in his ear, "If you. do jiu-jitsu, you should probably let go. right now." That calm. He like looked at. me, "Let go." Dude was out cold. I. actually grabbed the the guy who was out. cold and picked his feet up. >> That's a great way to handle it, the way. you talk to him. >> Yeah. and he immediately looked at me.

like, "Okay, yeah, I hear what you're. saying.". >> This could be the difference between. nothing happens to you. You're just. defending yourself and you're going to. jail for a long time cuz this guy's. dead. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Especially if the guy's out, you're still holding on to it. >> Yeah. >> Oo. >> Yeah. And it was quick. It was tight. He. He might not have known he was out, but. I mean, >> he was probably so jumped up with. adrenaline. >> Yeah. Like he had his girlfriend with. him and. >> Yeah. Dude, street fights are stupid. They're so dumb. And if I see them, I. just get the [ __ ] away. But what just.

weird that I'm I I've seen so many. people beat people up. >> Yeah. >> I have seen like firsthand, there's. probably a tiny percentage of people on. Earth that have seen more fist fights in. person than me. >> Yeah. I I can't imag close range. at. close range with world class fighters. >> cuz it's a when you're in at a UFC event. like those fights feel so much more. intense and so much more like. >> dude you got to come when you're there. you got to come with me to the Apex.

>> the Apex is the place to see fights. >> the Apex center is the UFC's private. little auditorium it's tiny it only. seats like a hundred people. >> is that where they were doing the fights. during co. >> Yes dude I saw Francisanu versus Stipe. Miocic in a small cage with no audience. >> That's wild. >> It was wild. >> Those sounds are sounds you don't hear, >> bro. It was wild. It was so different. cuz Francis's punches and kicks without.

all the cheering. >> Yeah. To hear that sound, >> it's a different thing, man, because. you're you're experiencing what that. fighter is experiencing. Not you're not. getting the pain, but the thud, the. force, the you feel it different. Yeah. You feel like through the arena. You. feel that small little broom. You feel. it. >> And I remember. >> concussion in the air. >> when he collapsed when he hit him with a. left hook and dropped him and then. punched him when he was down. I was. like, "Oh my god, it was so different.

than seeing it in an arena. It was so. intimate." Yeah, >> it's like I always say that it's like. the difference between going to see an. acoustic concert and going to see a. concert in a gigantic arena. >> You know, you go see someone in a club. doing an acoustic set like Gary Clark. Jr. did an acoustic set. It's different. Like, wow, this is intimate. This is. cool. >> That's why I always like the prelim. fights for the few fights that I've gone. to, right? >> And it's interesting. I noticed myself. getting nervous for the fighter walking, especially that first fight,

>> like first prelim. >> only like 10 people in the room. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. >> Yeah. And that that walk out moment is. so peculiar. >> Yes. Very peculiar. >> And I I don't know if everybody else. feels it, but it's like I can almost. feel their anxiety. >> Oh, as they're walking out. >> And some guys you don't feel that at. all. You just feel this confidence, this. crazy confidence. That's fascinating, too, that guys can get so good and work. themselves into a headsp space where. they they like Ilia Tapora. He walks in.

there like he's already won. He. celebrates the night before. He has a. celebration dinner with all his friends. and family the night before the fight. He walks out there like he has not a. doubt in the world. No doubt. >> I wonder how much of that comes from. everything that he's done so far. Like. just a supreme confidence. >> Oh, it's definitely from that. But I. also maybe there I think he's touched by. the universe. I think there's there's. certain people that have a talent.

obviously hard work obviously discipline. obviously intelligence obviously great. trainers all those things are you can't. get past the technique that he has but. there's an understanding of what to do. and how to do it and when to do it and. an ability that's above and beyond. >> and I see this all the time where it's. like two people who seem like they would. be equal uh in skills or even just in. knowledge right but one one of them out. can completely outshine the other. >> Well, you learn early on in martial arts.

that it's it's all hard work, but. there's certain dudes that have physical. attributes that are just freakish. Yeah, >> they're freakish. Like the first thing. that I ever my first introduction to. real like high level martial arts was. this guy named John Lee. And John Lee. was the national light heavyweight. champion in Taekwondo at the time. And. he was training for the World Cup. And I. was leaving with my friend Jimmy. We. were coming home from a baseball game.

We were coming home from Fenway Park and. we just passed by this Taekwondo school. and um I was like, let's go up. It was. We're waiting for the tea. The tea takes. forever. It's a train. It's always. packed. Everybody's leaving the baseball. game at the same time. It's going to be. a mob scene. >> Let it die down for a little bit. Let's. go check out this taekwond do class. And. as we're walking up the stairs, I hear. >> kachchunk. >> Yeah. >> Kachchunk. like this crazy noise like a. thump and then a rattle of chains. That's what I was hearing. And it was. this dude practicing a spinning back.

kick on the bag in his prime. Big long. dude who had [ __ ] ferocious power. He. was just bending this bag in half. Yeah. And I was 14 and I was like, "Holy. shit." I think I was 15. It was like It. was the summer of my 15th birthday. >> But I I changed my life. I was like, I. need to learn how to do that. Like. that's crazy. Yeah. >> But then. >> after a while I realized like not. everybody can do that. Like there's guys. that are like highlevel guys that can't.

do what that guy can do. That guy had. some weird gift. He had a weird power. gift. >> Yeah. Even sometimes just biology like. how your body shaped. >> It's 100% biology. When it comes to. power, there's like if you have tiny. hands and and slope shoulders and girl. hips, good luck. You're you're not. you're there's no way you're going to. generate John Lee type power. >> Yeah. And that's kind like I can't punch. to save my life, but I got these long. skinny ass arms like I'll darse the [ __ ]. out of you. >> Oh, they're perfect for jiu-jitsu. Long.

arms and thin arms are perfect for. jiu-jitsu cuz it's all leverage, man. >> I think one of the best things, most. inspirational things that can happen you. if you can handle it in jiu-jitsu is. getting mauled by a smaller person. >> Yeah. a person like quite a bit 30. pounds lighter than you and just runs. through you and you're like, "Wow.". >> Yeah. >> Like, "Okay, it's not about strength at. all. It's about skill, knowledge, technique, >> timing. >> Timing. >> Timing is [ __ ] everything. >> Timing is a lot." But you have to know. what to do with the timing. >> Yeah. And you got to be.

>> You have to have technique. But you have. to have technique. Your technique has to. be because there's some guys like. there's some guys they'll wrap something. up and it's like nine out of 10. Like. you're going to squeeze it, maybe get. the tap, but there's other guys they. lock something. You're like, "Oh, there's no way out of this.". >> Yeah. This is death. >> This is death. Yeah. This is 10 out of. 10. Yeah. Like an Eddie Bravo triangle. You get locked in Eddie Bravo triangle. Like, I'm not getting out of this. This. is tap time. >> That's I've been wondering. So, I I play. lock down a lot. And maybe getting too. technical is probably [ __ ] boring, but that's okay.

>> I have an extra muscle in my calf. It. Well, it's the I have the same muscle in. my left calf, but my right one is twice. the size. Just a little strand from. making that little hook on the shin. >> Oh, you're just from jiu-jitsu. >> From playing lock down. >> Wow. You know, you could exercise that. You know, there's a a thing called a tip. bar. Do you know what that is? >> This would be really good for jiu-jitsu. for especially for people who really. love butterfly guard and it's just good. for overall knee stability. I I learned.

about it through the knees over toes guy. on Instagram. Have you ever done any. history? >> No, but I I need to start looking into. it yesterday. really good for knee health and. strengthening the knees and a lot of. amazing exercises. But one of the things. that he um has that he recommends is a. tib bar. And so what it is is it's like. a thing that attaches to your shoe and. you lift weights by lifting your foot. upward, by lifting your toes towards. your knee, which is an exercise you very.

rarely get, >> but it's really good. It's really good. And for butterfly bar, that would be it, man. Because you could get that. [ __ ] strong as [ __ ] with not. just doing butterfly guard, but lifting. >> lifting for that you would for sure. I. always thought like leg extensions too. that would help in a big way, right? >> Yeah. >> You know, for the same kind of muscles, the forcing like the extending the leg. >> Yeah, cuz that's a It feels awkward at. first to try to elevate from that. position. >> Yeah. >> Right. Like especially if your knees are. [ __ ] I'm I'm kind of I'm 16 years in.

now and I'm like I'm avoiding the the. heavyweight roles, >> like the super tough like I just have to. like. >> protect yourself, >> protect myself and still like I never. want to stop either. So like I want to. be able to get in there and and [ __ ]. around as much as possible. But. >> yeah, you got to pick who you roll with. for sure. >> Yeah, that's important. Especially as. you get older. Are you doing TRT or. anything like that? >> No, I wish. Why don't you do it? Oh, you son of a [ __ ]. >> What does that mean? What does that.

mean? What does that mean? >> Mike back. >> What does that mean? >> I I I just haven't had a chance, I. suppose. I. >> While While you're in town, I'm going to. hook you up with waste. Well, >> how many more days you're here? >> I leave tonight. >> Oh [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> What time tonight? >> 9. >> Oh yeah, we could do that. We can make. it happen. We'll make it happen. I'll. make a call as soon as we get out of. here and I'll have you go over there. Uh. Right. Right before you take off. Yeah, cuz [ __ ] has gone gone pretty south. >> You should get blood at the very least. if you don't do anything, you should get.

blood work. >> Get blood work. Find out where your. hormone levels are at. >> Yeah. >> How is your diet? >> Um, it's not bad. Like I I eat pretty. good. I actually uh cut out sugar this. year. Like. >> big impact. >> Humongous. >> Isn't it crazy? >> Humongous. >> You're poisoning yourself. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's just like. like what I was saying like being that. like slightly lower than baseline like. sugar gives you that little dopamine. like fix that is like ah okay I feel. good now and so like I had a little soda.

habit which I mean there could be. [ __ ] worse things but a lot worse but. maybe not though you know like sugar is. pretty [ __ ] bad for you. >> Well I lost I lost 15 lbs like. >> like that. >> like that. >> Isn't that crazy? >> Yeah it's so stupid. It's so crazy how. many people are just down in that stuff. all day long. >> All day long. >> Yeah. >> And just eating you from the inside. >> Well, you can see it in their body. You. can see it in their body. People Oh, I'm. sorry, buddy. I'm sorry. >> I put my foot on Marshall. I forgot he. was there. >> I mean, you see it with kids. I mean,

>> oh, it's terrible for kids. It's so bad. It's so bad for everything, you know, but in moderation, it's okay. But the. problem is pe human beings are really. bad with moderation of things that are. literally designed to be addictive. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, it's so. >> and I'm a creature of habit to where. it's like I build a routine and then I. stick to that [ __ ] routine. >> And if that includes, you know, >> sugary drinks, >> sugary drinks and a [ __ ] ice cream at. night, whatever, like. >> it's going to be there. >> I know. And especially if you're putting.

in the work, if you're working hard and. and you're working out, you're like, I. deserve it. I deserve to poison myself. >> Yeah. Be like, it's balance. >> There's times like I'll come home from. the comedy club and it's late and. everyone's asleep and I'm like, "Fuck. it. I'm eating cereal, you know? >> I mean, you're an adult. You get to. choose. >> every now and then." And I always feel. terrible after I do it. I'm like, "Why. did you do that?". >> Yeah. All those ideas that sound so. great and you just build up a a. beautiful idea and then you get done and. you're like, "What the fuck?". >> The only time I feel good is if I come.

home and I'll cook a steak. I I do I do. like that. Like I'm gonna actual take a. whole hour to make myself a meal. Even. though it's 11:30 at night and I'm. tired, I'm gonna take a whole hour and. make myself a meal and have the. discipline to not eat any garbage before. that. Because when you're tired, you. make the worst dietary decisions. There's there's a part of you when. you're tired, I forget what it's called. called I forget what the there's. actually like a thing that happens where. you are impulsively going to go towards.

things that are bad for you. You're. impulsively going to go towards potato. chips and ice cream and candy and. [ __ ] because you're fatigued. >> And there's convenience, right? Like. >> it's not just that. If there was a. [ __ ] home-cooked meal, like mashed. potatoes, green beans, a beautiful like. half chicken that was cooked on a on a. on a on a grill. >> or ice cream. You might take the ice. cream if no one was around.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You know, you might you might grab a Kit. Kat bar. >> You know, you for sure if there was a. bowl of chips, just an inviting bowl of. like Ruffles. >> Yeah. >> Sitting there like, I'm going to grab a. couple of Ruffles. And that's that weird. dopamine thing. Our brain rewards us. somehow and then it [ __ ] with us later. >> You know what the thing is? The reward. is not worth it. It's not a good reward. Yeah. >> Like it's not like an orgasm. It's not. like the completion of a project. It's. not like the accomplishment of some. great goal. The the the amount of.

whatever rush. >> in your brain that you get from eating a. shitty potato chip, it's not that much. >> Yeah. >> For what it does to you, bro. If I eat a. bag of Ruffles, I feel like [ __ ] for 5. hours. >> Yeah. For sure. I started uh it came. from a a time place where I was really. poor and I tried to figure out like. what's the least amount of food I could. eat in a day and still survive, right? >> Oh boy. >> And I what I started to do was like do. little fastings during the day. So like.

I'd wake up, get a coffee, and not eat. until like 5. But then I started. realizing that I felt good doing that, you know, like like my body started. feeling better and now I I pretty much. do it regularly now. Even though like I. have money to get food, I would just. just wait. Just wait. And I found myself. actually getting uh pleasure from the. pain. >> of starvation. Like I started to I. started to like the feeling of being. hungry. >> at Yeah. at at a at a certain point. Um,

>> well, how hungry are we talking about? This is like a 24 hours in or how many. hours in? >> No, I it's like So, I would I would. basically eat one meal at like 5:30. >> Okay. >> So, no food all day except, you know, I'd have some coffee with a little bit. of half and half in it. So, some fat and. and drinking water, of course, or maybe. like eat like a [ __ ] banana or. something. And I like my body just felt. great to where like before I you know I. was probably eating something shitty in.

the morning feeling shitty. >> until noon eat some other [ __ ] shitty. thing you know as a young person you. just do whatever the [ __ ]. >> well your body will get adapted. I mean. that's why that whole intermittent. fasting thing is interesting right cuz. you're you're making your body digest. food all day long. Like if you're eating. all day long, your body your digestion. system never gets a break. >> Well, I started thinking like even like, you know, back to chasing the [ __ ]. deer. Like our bodies used to have to go.

hunt. >> Oh, yeah. >> To to get something to eat. So, this. idea of like waiting, you know, 8 hours, 6 hours before eating anything from. waking up like it all it it started to. feel natural for me. >> Well, it is natural as long as you're. eating natural food. Yeah, >> that's the thing. Yeah. >> So, if you're eating processed foods and. a lot of bread and a lot of pasta and a. lot of stuff that human beings have. made, especially like our American. bread, your your body's accustomed to a. lot of sugar. Your body's accustomed to.

those complex carbohydrates just pouring. into your system all day long and you're. using those as a fuel source. If you are. subsisting off of fat and protein and. meat and like avocados and you're eating. healthy food, your body is working off a. lot of ketones. Your body is it's making. its own glucose through gluconneogenesis. from the meat and it's also running off. of ketones from the fat. It's a way more. efficient way of doing it. And when you.

do that, you don't get nearly as hungry. It's you don't have that feeling that. awful feeling. when uh I was eating a. lot of carbs and if I would go like four. or five hours without eating, I would. start getting [ __ ] famished. >> Yeah. >> You don't get famished when you eat only. meat. It it stops that you get hungry, but it's totally manageable. >> Yeah. >> Just that alone. I love that. The the. the the not requiring food. Like I can.

go sometimes I'll I won't eat breakfast. Sometimes I'll work out. I won't eat. breakfast. I'll come here. I'll be here. all day and the first meal I have is. dinner. >> Yeah. >> And I'm fine. >> Yeah. >> I'm literally fine. Like it's not. bothering me. And it's only because my. body's adapted to not eat processed. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Cuz it's different if you feel. like you're going to throw up or pass. out because you haven't [ __ ] eaten. And. >> that's people that eat a lot of [ __ ]. glucose. People that are eating a lot of. carbohydrates, a lot of [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Your your body needs fuel. You get low.

blood sugar and you start feeling like. [ __ ] Yeah. And like you got to get. something in you. >> Well, I noticed as soon as I started. doing that, like the stored fat like in. my like little love handles or whatever, like immediately just it was like the. body's like, "Okay, I got to use this. [ __ ] now.". >> Yeah. >> And and burn it up. Just complete body. change and like and mentally I felt so. much better. >> Yeah. People that fast and I've never. fasted for more than 24 hours, but. people that fast for like three days,

they all talk about how great they feel. at the end. Do you feel euphoric and. incredible and like you have so much. energy? I'm like that sounds nuts. It. sounds like you should be [ __ ] dying. >> Yeah, cuz I mean I do get miserable. sometimes of like. >> Yeah. >> Like I could just eat a [ __ ] steak. >> I hold it off. I hold off the idea of of. fasting cuz like I make all these. excuses for myself like oh I've got to. do my show. I got to it's important. I. can't be out of it. >> Yeah. And that's for me I I don't have. any like stringent routine of like I'm. not allowed to [ __ ] eat something.

It's just the routine that I've got into. now to where it's like I just sit down. and work. >> But that kind of probably helps a little. bit too because of that mind state of. like I don't really if when I'm in the. mode of painting like I don't have to go. to the bathroom. I I I'm not hungry. >> Do you drink coffee or anything while. you're doing that? >> Yeah. Yeah. I I drink espresso during. the day or like I'll get a quad espresso. and then it just kind of lasts. >> most of the day, you know, until like. noon or whatever. And that I mean that. keeps me kind of on the level I suppose. because there is some fat in there and.

like the caffeine obviously helps with. the hunger. >> It's a little something. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Caffeine helps with hunger. But I. think that what you're saying is the. focus is probably the big thing that. you're just so locked into what you're. doing that you're not even. >> Yeah. It's like I'm not even in my body. anymore. Like the body is separated from. the mind in some way. >> That thing that you were talking about. earlier that is such a weird thing. the. where it feels like the whatever you're. working on just sort of takes over. >> To me, it's something subconscious. because like the way I I look at.

jiu-jitsu or painting or any real art. form as um creative problem solving. So, what for me all of those things like it. tickles the same part of my brain. >> to where the like I'll ask myself. questions like and it tends to be like. you have to ask yourself the right. questions. Like I've had like I don't. know how to use how to fix a car to save. my life, but I've had to fix some [ __ ]. to where I'm like, hm, what should I do. here? Or like uh you know, you'll just.

try something, but it's almost like a. subconscious uh voice like I was saying. how the painting will kind of tell me. how to how like where to go next. >> to where I'm I don't know an answer, but. somehow I come up with it, right? just. by kind of asking my brain, you know, what what should we do here? And it's. it's it's always like fascinated me that. I I'll it's like my brain comes up with. solutions to these problems by, you. know, running some computation of like,

well, if we did this, this will happen. If we did that, this will happen. Mhm. >> And I'll come up with ideas that are. like I don't have that aren't conscious. ideas or thoughts. >> that seep in from some depth in my brain. that it's like I and it's not my. control. It's it's not like a like a. brag. >> Right. Right. Right. >> It's like some some way of thinking that. I can get solutions to problems that I. don't know the solution to.

>> Right. And you don't feel like those. solutions are yours. >> No. >> Yeah. That's what that's Yeah. >> Yeah. Comes from somewhere else. It may. I like to think of it as like some part. of my subconscious or some part of the. brain that I'm not accessing in. conscious reality that is coming up with. answers. But it I'm I'm amazed by it all. the time. Like if you've ever had like. like a light that wasn't working in your. house, right? But if you like flip the. switch three times and then like turn. the [ __ ] heater on, somehow the light.

comes on. You know what I mean? like you. figure out these ways to to accomplish a. a task or figuring out a solution to a. problem. And for me, I feel like with. painting and jiu-jitsu or now anything, like I remember I I pinched a nerve in. my neck like bad to where it's like I. couldn't even sit up and I was like, "How the [ __ ] am I going to get out of. bed?" And just ended up like picking my. leg up, hooking my arm behind my leg and. doing like a jiu-jitsu thing to like sit. myself up cuz I couldn't like actually.

set myself up. And I was like, I've. never done that before. That's so. [ __ ] strange. But like like my brain. just told me to do that. >> Well, that makes sense though. you know. how to use your body from jiu-jitsu and. this would be a way to get up without. using your abs. >> Yeah. Yeah. But there's all kind like. like fixing a [ __ ] car. Like I I. don't know what I'm doing, but this. seems to be like my brain telling me. maybe try this, you know, and with with. all of these processes of, you know,

martial arts and painting, just some. creative problem-olving aspect of the. brain that's almost separated from. >> Yeah. and and gets nurtured with use. >> Yeah. It builds like it gets strong. >> Well, this is what Presfield talks about. when he talks about summoning the muse, >> you know, when he did you ever read the. book The War of Art? >> I haven't. >> I've got a copy. I'll give you a copy of. it. He gave me a box of them because I I. used to have a box of them on the desk. in the old studio that I'd hand out to. people, but it's a short read,

>> but it's an amazing read on this concept. of the muse and that like treating this. thing like you're a professional. You're. going to show up at this time and you're. going to summon the muse and you're. going to do it with sincerity. And if. you do that and you show up every day, it'll work. Yeah. >> And it really does. >> That's what I do. That's exact. I mean, I I live that like I get up, get coffee, I go to the studio. >> and I'm there until it's time to leave, then I go teach at night and then I I. repeat the whole process. >> Yeah. >> And it's joy. Like there isn't a lot of.

like I I probably have a bit of a short. attention span to where like things can. get [ __ ] boring, >> but obviously not painting. >> No, I I leave after a long day and I. feel myself feeling guilty that I'm not. still there. >> Wow. You see, that's why I have a. problem when people use that term ADHD. cuz I think about myself as a boy and. I'm like, I know they would have [ __ ]. diagnosed me if I had the wrong parents. Yeah. Yeah, >> I know they would have diagnosed me and. they would have brought me to a doctor. who would have put me on some [ __ ].

medication and it would have ruined. whatever weird quality that I have that. lets me focus on things intensely. >> Yeah. >> You know, they want to pretend that. everybody has to be the same thing. Like. everybody can't be the same thing. We're. all wired different. I'm not wired. normal. I'm wired like if what you're. saying is boring, I'm like, "Oh god.". >> Yeah. How the [ __ ] do I get out of here. now? I I know some people that are going. to Well, so what are you going to do. about that, Fred? They can have the. boringest [ __ ] conversations all day. I literally feel physical pain.

>> when I'm being bored. >> But if I find something that's really. interesting, like really interesting, I. can lock on. And when I lock on to that, I have no problem paying attention. >> And that's a [ __ ] superpower. >> I think so. And I think they're [ __ ]. kids up, man. And I think there there's. a lot of lazy parents that don't want to. deal with this extraordinary child that. has this weird thing that you haven't. harnessed. Yeah. >> And you're putting that kid on [ __ ]. speed. They're putting him on rolin and. [ __ ]. >> That's They were going to try to give me. rolin when I was a kid. And I wasn't a.

spazzy kid. I wasn't. It just I was. bored as [ __ ] by what like whatever they. were trying to do in school. >> You're an artist. Yeah. >> But no one could recognize that. It's. they It's almost like they want to. pretend that that is not a real option. for a human. But why are there so many. artists? >> No, I know. >> Like, what are you saying? How How is. that possible that you want everybody to. fit into this [ __ ] square peg? How is. it possible that you're teaching and a. kid comes along and he's bouncing off.

the wall, but that [ __ ] could. play video games like an assassin? I go, "Okay, >> clearly there's something going on with. the video games that you're not. providing him in the real world." And. his ability to excel at video games. shows he's extraordinary. It's just. about focusing that. >> Yeah. >> You take some little girl who just wants. to talk to her friends and joke around. in class and you [ __ ] medicate her. She could have probably been an amazing. artist. She maybe she would have found a. subject that she just lo like some kind.

of a science subject she locks on to and. now all of a sudden that thing doesn't. exist anymore. It's not like she. scattered all No, she's just bored. What. you're doing is boring. Your class is. [ __ ] boring. You have uninspired. teachers who are underpaid. No one gives. a [ __ ] about them. They're basically. babysitters and you're bored. And. because the teacher doesn't want to deal. with you being bored, they tell the. principal. The principal tells the. doctor. The doctor recommends another.

doctor. And then little Billy is sitting. there in his [ __ ] doctor's office. And then they pop them full of rolin. >> I had Henry Rollins on the podcast once. and he was telling me they put him on. rolin when he was a little kid. >> Yeah. >> He said he was just [ __ ] like like. all day long. I'm like, "God damn, man. That's so nuts.". >> Yeah. I remember seeing those kids, too. >> Yeah. just like [ __ ] spun out. >> Spun out and now they're all on aderall, man. >> Yeah. And that's [ __ ] made, >> bro. There's a ton of young kids out.

there in the world that do not have a. problem and they're on aderall because. it helps them concentrate. It helps. their scores for college. >> Yeah, >> 100%. I guarantee it. There are kids out. there in high school right now that are. popping aderall all the time so that. they could do better on tests, so they. could do better in college. >> And then they're taking Xanax to come. down off the [ __ ] aderall. Like, so. terrible. So [ __ ] terrible.

>> It's [ __ ] terrible. And you know, these pharmaceutical drug companies are. just vampires. >> Yeah. >> This is what you need. This is what you. need, Mike. >> Seeing the [ __ ] commercials like. during your show. You want to be happy? Don't you want to dance in a wheat field. with your child? Don't you want to go to. the barbecue? Look, everyone's at the. barbecue. They're happy. Everybody's. happy. They're not happy. >> Don't you want to go to the barbecue? >> Yeah. Finding the thing that is actually.

going to bring you joy. >> Yeah. My friend Asanod has a a great uh. bit about it. I don't want to give it. up, but it's a great bit. If you ever. see him at the mothership, >> did you see him? >> Uh I caught the very tail end of his set. when I got there. >> He's got a great bit about. >> Great guy. >> Far He's great. He's got a He's a funny. dude, too. He's been my friend since he. was a door guy at the comedy store. So, it's uh so interesting to see him like. from a very raw beginner. Yeah. You. know, to where he is now. >> I mean, you get you've gotten to see a. lot of that, right? Like. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Ari and Joey and Yeah.

Duncan, >> all those guys. Yeah. >> Pretty wild. Oh, it's been. >> even seeing that how the comedy scene. has kind of started to flourish here and. kind of like build it like that little. Sixth Street uh. uh way there is pretty wild. >> Oh, dude, there's five full-time comedy. clubs. >> Yeah, >> right there. >> I I I hung out with my buddy Roy um. yesterday and I I feel like I met like. four or five comics just like standing. around figuring out what we were going. to do. >> It's the hub and it's also this is the. most important thing. is the hub for.

development of young people. It gives. young people a real pathway, a real. possibility and we set it up that way on. purpose. Like this is the idea. It's. like you cannot have a sustainable. comedy community without new members. >> Yeah. Yeah. I I I find a little envy uh. in that like that's a little tougher in. the like visual arts world is because. we're so [ __ ] isolated. We're not. like hanging out at the same spots all. the time. And it's like that's how.

things used to be like back in the day. Like the artists would all go to the. same bar after they were done working. for the day, >> right? Like have an artist neighborhood. Like LA had a bunch of neighborhoods. where a lot of artists live together. >> Yeah. I mean, LA is a little bit. different from besides New York than the. rest of the the the art world. It's like. if you're not in one of those two or. three hubs, like you're you're kind of. isolated. >> You're like outside of that realm. And. we don't have that opportunity. I I I. really like enjoy that aspect of the.

comedy community to where it's like you. see everybody meeting up like they see. each other every day. They hug. They. talk over [ __ ] They can like kind of. workshop stuff with each other. Like. having that ability is is or like that. community in that aspect is so powerful. >> So nice. It's so nice. And so when you. were there, it's like perfect setup. Like Shane Gillis was there, Ron White. was there, I got to talk with Ron for a. while. >> He's the best. He's the best. He's such. a [ __ ] character.

>> Tony was there. It's so we have this. beautiful community, but it's also like. the young people. The young people. coming up, they're good, man. They're. good and they're hungry and they're. focused and they realize that there's a. real pathway. So because we set it up so. we have two nights of open mic nights, >> which is really important. Yeah. Like. you have to have chances for people to. get on stage for the first time and and. just chances to just develop. You just. got a few minutes. You go up there, you. tell a couple of jokes, try it again. next week, try it down the street, try. it over here, try it over there. And if. you want to do it, if you really want to.

do it, there's a bunch of people that. are also doing it here. So there's like. a great community and it's pretty. [ __ ] positive, man. Everybody's. pretty instead of being cutthroat and. backstabby, everybody's real supportive. Like. >> big difference from LA, right? Big. difference. Like I I noticed just the. sort of like every interaction I had. while I was here for just 3 days just. felt so genuine like not like somebody's. trying to get something from you. >> They're regular folks out here. >> Everybody just seemed like so laidback. and chill and.

>> regular humans. What we were dealing. with in Los Angeles was. >> some amazing people. I miss there's a. lot of amazing people in LA, but the. overall vibe of the city was a vibe of. you were trying to stand out from. everybody else and get famous. >> Yeah. >> You could feel it. You could feel it. >> Cuz I mean, growing up in San Diego, like I spent a lot of time in LA, like I. could sense the feeling of like.

everybody like it felt like everybody. was trying to do something. >> Yes. >> Like every single person you saw on the. street was up to something. And then it. got real weird when reality TV came. along because you didn't have to have. any talent. So it used to be you wanted. to be an actor and people that didn't. have any act talent in acting, you. couldn't convince them otherwise. They. thought they could do it. >> Everybody thought they could act because. acting is essentially just talking. >> It's just pretending to talk when you. you know like we know. >> so many people do it so badly. >> So bad. But they don't think they do, right? So it's a but it's a thing that.

you can't discern. In a way it's a. little bit like comedy. Like you see a. guy like Ron White tell a story on stage. and it's so effortless and hilarious. that you think, "Oh, he's not even. trying. I can do that. I I tell stories. My stories are good, too." And you think. you could go do it because you don't. understand what's actually happening. It's just confusing you. It's tricking. you. >> Well, that whole routine like the idea. of like like writing a monologue seems. so obscure to me. Like I feel like I can. be funny in a scenario where it's like. people are talking and you have.

something to bounce off of. But to get. up there and do a monologue by yourself. like that, >> it feels so alien to me. >> to you because you're smart, but to a. dumb dude who sees that he's like, I. could do comedy. And so there was all. these people that were just looking at. comedy and also looking at acting as a. pathway to getting attention. >> Yeah. >> And then it really got [ __ ] with. social media. So, when I was leaving, but like a year or two before I left, I. was already thinking about leaving. I.

was like, I got to get out of here. And. then um I remember I was at uh a. steakhouse and these people were there. and people were taking pictures of them. I'm like, what is this? And someone. said, I don't even think it was a Tik. Tok influencer. I think it was a Vine. influencer. Like, this is a Vine. influencer. I was like, what does that. mean? Like, what do they do? And it's. like, oh, they dance. They dance around. and like people are here to I'm like. what are you talking about? Like this is. nuts. So it became another way that you. could get famous. You could just f get.

famous by doing pranks or being. obnoxious or you know taking your. clothes off and yelling in traffic like. and so everybody was just trying to get. famous. >> When you get out of there, you come to a. place like Austin, there's this. relaxation because they're just people. >> Yeah. >> All that's gone. No one here is trying. to get famous. It's very rare that. someone's trying to get famous. And then. if you can insert a comedy community. there that really values the process and.

the results of the art, that's what. we're really all about. We're really all. about killing. All that other stuff. comes. The reason why Shane Gillis is. the number one comic in the world is. because he works hard and he's really. [ __ ] funny and the process yields an. amazing result. and he's so sincere. >> Super sincere. But the point is like he. doesn't give a [ __ ] about fame. Like. he's not trying to get famous. Yeah, I. know him. Yeah. Like it's just not. something that happened. We were joking, right? Bro, fame sucks. Like we were in. the we were in the green room the other.

night talking about how how much fame. sucks in some ways. I'm like, ah, you. can handle it. You'll be fine. You're. going to handle it. >> Yeah. It's such a different experience. Like as a as a painter, like nobody. really [ __ ] knows what you look like. Most. >> now, [ __ ] They do now. Oops. Oops. I. spilled codling. [ __ ] Not much. Luckily, I was almost out. >> But there's some like sense of stress to. that. >> Sure. >> I mean, I've even experienced it a. little bit with like hanging out with. you a couple times of like people coming. up and I'm like, "Fuck, this is so.

weird." Like, why? Like, why do people. act like this. >> like around they get weird. Well, that's. the thing also that people like about. being famous. They want people to be. uncomfortable around them. They want to. be extraordinary without even trying. >> Yeah. You know, it's a it's a weird. thing, man. It's a weird thing that has. existed with royalty, you know, it's. kind of the same thing. It's like this. desire that people have to be. exceptional and stand above everyone. else for almost no reason. And the the.

fame thing in Hollywood was the thing. that was holding uh the art form of. comedy back too because there was this. velvet prison that existed that if you. were a good boy or a good girl and you. drew between the lines and you didn't. say anything too crazy, you could get a. sitcom or you could get a TV show, you. could show. >> where people just like people who want. to be actors take that comedy route. >> Yeah, they do. But also really good. comics tone their [ __ ] down. >> They don't say what they actually think.

is funny anymore. >> They say what they think they can get. away with and still get a TV show. >> Well, that's something that I noticed at. the the show of like having everybody's. phones in the Faraday bags or whatever. those are like allows people to be a. little bit more honest and it does and. direct or like really say what they want. to say. >> And more importantly, it allows the. audience to totally lock in. >> Yeah. Cuz for a lot of these people, it's the only two hours of their whole. life where they're not going to be on.

their phone. I know. >> other than sleeping, you know, when. you're when you're locked in and you're. at a live show, it's so fun. It's so. good. It's the It's the correct move for. everybody. >> It's a correct move because of course. everyone is working on new material and. you don't want to get released before. it's done because new material takes. forever. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's like it'll take months. for a bit to and sometimes it sucks at. first or you it's offensive like. something's wrong with that. You got to. I got to figure out a way that people. are not mad cuz that's not what I'm. trying to say. And you could figure it.

out but it just takes a bunch of. different iterations and if someone. [ __ ] videotapes it and puts it up. >> It's like they did with Louis CK when he. first came back. It screws up the whole. process. It's like you're ruining that. for literally millions of people because. it's eventually going to get on Netflix. and and people are going to see it, but. it's going to take time. It's not it's. not a simple process and we have to do. it in front of people. >> That's the interesting thing about that. art form, too. Like you got to work [ __ ]. out. >> in front of humans.

>> Yeah. It's not it's. >> I'm sure what what like the writing. process in your head feels so much. different. >> Yeah. There's a lot of processes. There's the onstage writing process. There's the writing process in your. head. And there's the idea process, which is the trickiest one. Because the. the most difficult thing with comedy. really is coming up with a subject. that's actually interesting to you. >> Yeah. >> Where you really find humor in it. And. if those are the ones when I can really. find humor in something, like that's the.

ones that I dig into the most cuz I'm. enjoying the [ __ ] out of the whole. process of like uncovering all the. ridiculousness. But it has to be. something where I'm like, "What?". >> That's how it is with painting, too. Like, I'm I'm entertaining myself first. >> Sure. >> And then hopefully that connects with. people somewhere. >> Yeah. I think it's all together. I think. tattooists are like that. I think. musicians are like that. I think it's. the Mometo Mousashi quote. Once you. understand the way broadly, you see it. in all things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's beautiful.

>> It is beautiful because I think you. probably see it in the other things that. you do. You see it in your art. You see. it in jiu-jitsu. And there's people out. there that they're seeing it in writing. They're seeing it in sculpture. Whatever. There's a thing, whatever it. is that allows you to get really good at. the thing that you love. That thing. takes over while you're doing it and. you're almost not there anymore. You're. almost like a passenger. >> Yeah. Yeah. And that's when you know you. hit the good spot. >> Like if uh I'm a big Bukowski fan and on.

on his on his gravestone it says don't. try. M. >> like that's the insignia and then it's. like a pair of boxing gloves. >> Another guy a famous drunk. >> That's all of my favorite writers are. self-destructive. I don't know. I don't. know why, but they are. >> Oh, I found this the other day about. Hemingway. Um Hemingway always thought. that the FBI was uh trying to get him. And apparently apparently they actually. were. >> Really? >> Yeah, they actually were. Um he he. thought that he was Here I'll send this. to you, Jamie. >> I saw it. >> You saw it? >> I saw it was like a meme going around.

the other day. >> Oh, here it goes. The FBI investigated. Ernest Hemingway for decades with. surveillance beginning in the 1940s due. to concerns about his activities in Cuba. and his associations with individuals. suspected of communist ties. While. initially dismissed as paranoia, it was. later revealed that Hemingway's fears. were grounded in reality and the FBI did. monitor him, even tapping his phones and. intercepting his mail. The surveillance. continued throughout his later years, including his time in the hospital, and. may have contributed to his mental. anguish and suicide. Damn.

>> Yeah, you can't [ __ ] What about. booze? >> Drank depression. Severe depression. >> 42 to 74. They studied them. What'd you. learn? >> That's wild. >> But that's that thing. There's that like. there's a meme or like a somebody saying. that like you have to be aware of the. artists because they associate with. everybody, you know, like they're not. just locked into like an upper class. society. Like they're like even like.

where I was staying like I made friends. with like three or four homeless guys. just out on the street that I just kept. seeing around town from being around, you know, like like we associate with. everybody. There's no like hierarchy of. of class. >> Well, I think if you really want to be. open, like really open, you have to. encounter a lot of different kinds of. humans. >> Yeah. >> You know, if you really like if you. especially if you're a comic because you. want to or a writer, if you want to. understand people, you have to interact.

with them. >> Yeah. Because if especially as a writer, like you only have your own experience. If you just write your own experience, it's just going to come off as like. every character is you. >> Exactly. Like to put yourself in the. head of somebody else is. >> Yeah. >> Like you have to be open. >> Yeah. You have to be. >> and have like a certain form of of. empathy, >> right? >> To even understand how somebody else. feels. >> But that's why there's a contradiction. of the star comedian. Like that's where. things get weird. Like the star. comedian. Because if you're a star and.

everybody's treating, oh, Jerry. Seinfeld's here. Take the pictures like. you're walking the red carpet. You're. >> like, you got to be down with the. people. You got to be in the. nitty-gritty. >> Yeah. You got to find some trenches. somewhere. >> You better figure out the trenches. because if you don't, and I think. if you think about like my favorite. comedians, they were all. self-destructive, too. >> Yeah. >> All of them. >> Uh Richard Prior, super lit himself on. fire. Like that's about as. self-destructive as it gets. >> Kenison, cocaine, and alcohol, Hicks,

lots of drugs, and then cigarettes till. he got pancreatic cancer. >> Yeah. um they were all at at least some way. fighting some [ __ ] thing inside their. head. >> Yeah. It makes me wonder like how much. of it is like maybe that empathy is too. much. Maybe that maybe you feel too. much, you know, and you got to you got. to kind of. >> there's also there's the there's just. the stress of the job itself. >> Yeah. >> Like.

>> especially when you find success, >> right? >> Cuz you got to keep that. You gotta also. still be putting out new stuff. >> Yeah. >> So, you got a chance to see me. I'm This. is all new stuff, >> right? This is stuff that didn't It. wasn't on my Netflix special. So, it's. all in development. It's all like. >> And that process is. >> It's fun. I love it. Don't get me wrong, but like before I go on stage, I'm amped. up. I'm pacing. I'm moving around. I'm. listening to Nas. I got some music. playing. I'm getting my dance on. I'm.

having an espresso. I'm [ __ ]. breathing. And I'm like, "Huh, I want to. get ready.". >> That's how why I always feel a little. awkward in the green rooms. Like, I. don't want to be too like I'll be like, "Hi, >> listen. You're cool in the green room. You know how to handle green rooms. There's some dudes that are a real. problem.". >> Some dudes that start telling really. terrible stories in the green room and. you're like, "Oh my god, this is so. boring. We got to get them.". >> But the green room is supposed to be. just for comics, you know, and sometimes. people will bring in people that are not. supposed to be in the green room. And. like. >> I was actually telling a story about. that yesterday when we were all at uh. the American Comedy Co. in San Diego.

when Doug was doing that um Doug Benson. was doing the Chronicon documentary. >> Do you remember that? >> Not really. >> It's a [ __ ] long ass time ago. But. some guy came in who I don't know like a. [ __ ] investor like somebody bes right. >> I don't know. He grabbed a Bud Light. bottle as though it was a bong. He was. like where's the weed? And like like he. was going to like smoke a bong load out. of this Bud Light beer bottle. Dropped.

the bottle. broke it everywhere, like. made a [ __ ] scene. Everyone's like, "Who the [ __ ] is this guy?" Like, "What. is going on?" Like just the like way. that people act so [ __ ] strange when. they feel almost like they have to. perform, but their performance is. horrible. >> Well, I don't think it's that. I think. they just That guy was on drugs, I. think. And then also, I think they get. anxious. >> They get anxious, right? >> Yeah. >> People just get weird. They don't know. what to do. >> Yeah. We're [ __ ] strange. There's a. lot of [ __ ] people that are barely. keeping it together out there, dude.

>> Sometimes I think that's me, but just. just barely hanging on, you know? >> No, you're fine. >> Yeah, >> you're fine. But I think every artist. feels like that. >> Yeah, you. >> every artist feels like is one thing. that they could do one day that's going. to ruin their [ __ ] life. They're. always like that close to just It's all. just like this keeping it together thing. that you have in your mind, you know? And you have to have. >> you have to have some process that you. do that keeps you on the work and not on.

the self-destructive path. >> Yeah. >> Cuz if you're a person that like maybe. has a drug issue and you're fighting. that off and as long as you work all the. time, like you're cool. Like you're. good. But then if you wake up late that. one day and you're like a [ __ ] one. hit, I'd be good for through with just. one little [ __ ]. >> woo. Just a little tipsy. I could stop. In the beginning, I was only doing it. every now and then. Yeah. You know, I. can just go back to just like. moderation. I think it's good. You know, it really gives me a little pep up when.

I need it. Maybe your doctor gives you a little. aderall. Like the aderall is good, but. two pills is better. Three pills is. really I get so productive. I think I. can get my company off the ground. If I. could just really concentrate with these. three pills. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then then you then you're. [ __ ]. >> And you're [ __ ] So, it's like. >> it's this balance that we all have. And. it's not just artists, it's just people. in life. It's this balance. dealing with. insecurities, whatever the insecurity. is, you could [ __ ] mask it with, you. know, some drug or alcohol or whatever.

>> Or you could lean into it and be like, "Okay, I feel this way. I I accept that. What can I do?" I think the problem is. the term insecurity cuz like good lord, everything is insecure. Like the secure. things, a lot of secure things are. really boring. I mean, these secure. things that are awesome, you know? >> Yeah. But there's a a lot of that that's. it's that's not what it is. It's. uncertainty. Uncertainty is what freaks. you out. The the options that are. possible, the things that the possible.

results, the variables, all the. different things. >> Yeah. And that's going to handcuff. plenty of people, >> but you got to learn how to handle that. You know, I used to when I was teaching. >> when I was teaching martial arts, I. taught a lot of kids and I had a lot of. kids compete in tournaments. I really. love doing that. I really loved it when. they really got into it and they got. better and I could see them improving. and then winning tournaments. It was. amazing. >> But I remember I would some kids would.

really struggle with competition. And I. would tell them that's because you're. smart. And I go, you see these people. that are not worried about this? They. don't know what can happen to them. >> Yeah. >> They're delusional. They think they're. going to be okay no matter what. But. you're smart. you know that this is. dangerous. Yeah, that's good. >> You just have you got to use that. You. got to just hang on to it. Use it and. then get in there and you'll be fine. Once it once the fight starts, you're. not going to be scared anymore, which is.

weird. >> Yeah. >> When the fight starts, then. >> Jesus do exist. >> It's just happening. It's just happening. and it's all automatic and it's all. your, you know, you have instincts and. you have an understanding of the game, but you also have just. just dialed in technique. That's all it. is. It's all about the execution of all. the things you've practiced and it all. just happens. But the leadup is so bad. The anxiety before when you're sitting. in a locker room waiting for your time, you're like, "Fuck." And and I would.

just tell them, I would go, just you got. to understand this sucks, but this is. just something if you just can accept. that this is here. Accept that it's here. and and recognize that this is a gift. and this is here because you're smart. and the reason why you're worried about. all these possibilities is because. you're intelligent enough to recognize. that that's the thing. >> Yeah. You're looking for the outcomes. and then figuring out way that's kind of. what I was talking about before, like. >> predicting outcomes and figuring out. solutions to problems that have yet to. occur. >> Yeah. Like when you're thinking that far.

ahead, like that's it's a different. chess game. >> Yeah. And you and the dull-minded. nitwits out there that don't have any. fear, >> there's a reason they don't have any. fear cuz they don't have the capacity to. comprehend all the possibilities. >> Yeah. >> So, if some guys like doesn't know how. to fight at all, you've seen this a. hundred times on on videos online, and. he gets in someone's face and that guy's. like bang, just cracks them like that. dull-minded [ __ ] He is not the. fearful one. He's not the He's not the.

intelligent one. The intelligent people. are fearful. You should be fearful. >> It's good. >> It helps you, especially if you're about. to do something difficult. And. >> you should do difficult [ __ ] because it. teaches you about yourself. And if you. don't learn about yourself, you're. always going to wonder. >> And that's the problem with like a lot. of men in the world. A lot of chess. puffy, a lot of like [ __ ] really. arrogant, aggressive people. It's. because they don't know themselves. So, they're trying to impose a version of.

themselves on other people to be. respected. >> Yeah. >> You know, you find this in these [ __ ]. like business CEOs and execs who are. like really aggressive and they weigh 80. pounds. Like. >> this is what this is. It's like they're. they're finding a way to try to figure. out who the [ __ ] they are. They don't. even know themselves. And. >> that's one of the things I like I I. [ __ ] know myself. like spent so much. time with myself in like a clear sort of. frame of thought, knowing my. limitations, knowing what I've.

accomplished when I was even more. limited. Like if anything that's I think. this whole process is well. >> that's the difference process between an. artist and like say someone who wants to. be famous or somebody who wants to be. woripped, someone who wants to be the. head of a company or the president of. the United States or somebody who wants. to be beyond reproach. >> Nobody who wants to be president should. ever be president. >> 100%. Yeah. Yeah. It should be. But then. again, >> you know, if you got like some benev.

some truly benevolent dictator that. we're all waiting for. We're all waiting. for like the benevolent leader who's. just going to take control of it but do. it for the people. You know, Marcus. Aurelius, some someone who just really. really does have the people's best. wishes in mind. >> Human greed is too [ __ ] strong. >> It's too strong. And anybody that's. willing to go through that process, that. brutal process, you know, like all the. stuff that's in the news today, I mean, there's still there's possible legal.

ramifications of things that happened in. the 2016 election that we're hearing. about today. >> Yeah. >> It's like these people are gross. Like. >> the whole thing, >> it's g it's the opposite of the Austin. comedy community. So, like if we had to choose a president. of the Austin comedy community, it. wouldn't be that hard. Like, whoever. wins is great. You know, if Shane wins, great. If Duncan wins, great. Who are.

you going to elect? Who cares? Everyone's cool. But the the. presidential world is like, "No, no, no, no, no, no." You have the backings of. enormous, enormous military-industrial complex. corporations. enormous amounts of money. Pentagon budgets beyond comprehension. It's going to be a trillion dollars this. year. What does that even [ __ ] mean? What does this mean? So, like the. >> the the the ability to be at the helm of. that. Like there's going to be no.

cooperation with the left and the right. and and you're seeing what happens when. one group gets into power. What's the. first thing they do? Like what did they. do when they got into power? They. immediately went after Trump. They hit. him with a ton of different [ __ ]. legal charges. Most of them didn't make. any sense. The [ __ ] the all the crazy. [ __ ] about overestimating his property. in Mara Lago. Like that is the the way. they were using the law is like oh my. god you people are gross on both sides. On both [ __ ] sides.

>> That's the whole system is so [ __ ]. corrupted. And it's so obvious like. we're at a stage where like we have. enough information to see. >> Yeah. like that how much greed and money. just corrupts the system. >> Well, we I don't think we really got to. see it until Trump ran. I think you got. to see it unveiled in a way when Trump. ran that you never got to see before. because also you got the rise of. independent journalism that happens at. the same time. Yeah. Yeah. >> So, you have people that report report.

just on the facts, not like the CNN. [ __ ] lean or the Fox News lean, but. just like just reports on exactly what's. happening and how it happened. >> That just didn't exist before. So, you. get an un if you're paying attention and. you follow those people, and a lot more. people are than ever before, you get a. way different understanding of how gross. this game is. Yeah. And because the guy. was so polarizing and because he was. such an easy guy to turn into a Nazi, like you like you pointed to him, you're.

like, "This is the this is our [ __ ] him. Look at the way he talks. He's he's. going to ruin the world. It's a threat. to democracy. We could do anything we. can to stop him." So what do they do? They stop all the primaries. They They. don't have real primaries anymore. They. haven't had a real primary since 2012. >> Yeah. >> They rig them. They rig it with Bernie. Sanders. They rig it with RFK Jr., You know, they're just the whole. business is gross. It's gross. >> I wish us as humans were all like.

together enough to just self-govern. >> You would need you would need people to. enter into politics at the highest level. that didn't need the money and really. were good people that really wanted to. just change the tone of how everything. is governed. And that's gonna be so hard. to do because the money is so nuts. >> And I think Do you see the Nancy Pelosi. thing, >> the new one? >> I She was being interviewed and then was. like, I didn't want to talk about that.

>> Anderson Cooper, you put that on. Anderson Cooper. He sneaks it in. She's. like, I came here to talk about the. anniversary of Medicaid. Like, she cares. about Medicaid. She's worth an estimated. $400 million now. >> How What's the salary? 70,000 a year. >> 170 grand a year. Something like that. 200 grand a year, maybe. you know, but watching the panic in her. face realizing that Trump is now. president and they're they're talking. about literally going after her for. insider trading and the undeniable.

evidence that they have had better. results on the stock market than. literally anyone ever and they have. access to information about laws are. going to be passed. If that's not entire. trading, what the [ __ ] is? >> And that's what I mean. the the the the. greed the level of greed is so strong. that you she. >> you got that video. >> she might even had good intentions. getting into office. >> shut the [ __ ] up [ __ ] shut the [ __ ] up. >> or anybody any shut your mouth. >> I feel like it's a system that demons. >> that corrupts.

>> yes. >> the minute you get in. >> I think so I think if you want to. succeed like what happens maybe you have. these idealistic ide you know. perspectives on how politics works or. what you can do in your contribution. And then you get in and you're like, "Oh. Jesus, >> I have to survive." You know, like I've. had candid conversations with Tulsi. Gabbard about what it was like. And. she's a person. She was like tries to be. friends with everybody. Tries to reach. across the aisle. She's got that whole. aloha spirit. >> Uhhuh. >> And she was like, "It's crazy." Like.

like. the the just the the amount of. backstabbing that's going on. Like when. she got into office, like first of all, you realize like you're not really in. control of everything because there's. another person who's in control of each. individual department and they'll stop. whatever you're trying to do every step. of the way. They get in the way of. everything. And what are you going to. do? You going to replace everybody and. how you going to find qualified people. to take those jobs? This guy's been at. that [ __ ] he's been the zar of this. commission for 25 years. Yeah. So he.

knows like all the ties and all the. financial agreements. Here, let's watch. this because it's so funny. >> Let me just read what he said. I'm sorry. that that we had some sort of technical. issue. Nancy Pelosi became rich. >> Why do you have to read that? We're here. to talk about the 60th anniversary of. Medicaid. That's what I agreed to come. to talk about. >> What that means in the election? >> I wanted to give you a chance just to. respond. He accused you of insider. trading. What's your response to that? >> That's ridiculous. In fact, I uh very. much support the stop the the trading of.

members of Congress. Not that I think. anybody's doing anything wrong. If they. are, they are prosecuted and they go to. jail. But because of the uh confidence. it instills in the American people, don't worry about this. Uh but I have no. uh concern about the obvious uh. investments that had been made over. time. I'm not into it. My husband is, but it isn't anything to do with. anything insider. But the president has. his own exposure. So he's always.

projecting. He's always projecting and. let's not give him any more time on that. please. We're going forward here and I'm. very proud of my family and while he. might make fun of us while somebody. inspired by him breaks into our home and. hits my hus in a deadly fashion hits my. husband over the head and he thinks. that's a riot. I'd rather not go into. some of my other complaints about him. right now. Rather to talk about the 60th. anniversary of Medicine. >> Okay. Okay. Okay. First of all, what.

crazy projection. She immediately turned. herself into a victim. She immediately. like went from. Jake Tab was like, "What's your. response? This is ridiculous." Nothing. was insider. Nothing. We have $400. million. Whatever. Whatever. What's. really important is Trump inspired a man. who broke. First of all, how do you know. that guy was a literal crazy person that. broke into that house? >> Yeah, that was a weird [ __ ] thing. >> Schizophrenic. He had a hammer. He. smashed the back window. He broke into.

the house. Paul thought that he could. talk the guy down. It looked like Paul. had a drink in his hand, so he's. probably a little lit. Yeah. >> Probably a little more calm than he. should have been. And then the cops are. at the door and the dude hits him in the. head with a hammer. That guy was a crazy. person. You're blaming Donald Trump for. that. >> No. >> That's so nuts that you have gone from. you made an insane amount of money. A. lot of people say you're insider. trading. What's your response? Donald. Trump. My husband got hit in the head. with a hammer. They're all black belts. at deflection. >> Think it's funny, you know? It's because.

they It's all because the president has. a lot of exposure like. >> cuz it's funny. Trump does the same [ __ ]. with her. If he's on the hot seat, Nancy. Pelosi, you know, it's they all have. that like natural deflection. >> Yeah, man. It's like. >> and it's like we all [ __ ] accept it. somehow. Like we might make fun of it or. like be like cuz my [ __ ] meter goes. off all the [ __ ] time. Like you're. [ __ ] lying to me right now. You can. see it. >> There's a reason why that whole ability. to trade stocks is still in position and.

it's because they want it there. They. make a [ __ ] ton of money. The general. public insider information. >> So, they have to figure out at what. point in time is this too dangerous and. who's willing to like make this a law? Who's willing to change this? And are. the what politicians are going to sign. on board for that? Because they're. actually voting against their own. self-interests. >> Yeah. >> Right. If they all decide, like it's. like they're playing chicken. Like, as. long as they don't do it, >> Yeah. >> as long as they don't do it, then they.

can still make a ton of money. But if. you look at the numbers, like if you. look at like who's making money on the. stock market, it is not all Nancy. Pelosi. It is red, blue, red, blue, red, blue. It's pretty much down the middle. >> Yeah. I mean, as long as you could skirt. the the legalities, why would you not. take information that you have gained. and try to. >> utilize it to your improvement? >> Then you're hanging out with Harry, the. senator from [ __ ] South Dakota or.

whatever, and Harry's got a yacht. Like, how'd you get a yacht, Harry? >> Like, you know, the Bobby's got his own. private jet. How'd you get your own jet, Bob? You're a congressman. Like, what. are you doing? and those people that are. able to generate that kind of wealth and. I think she's like the the poster girl. for it unfortunately but it's not her. like who's made the most. >> Yeah, let's find that out. >> There's an article here. I don't know if. this is officially the most but there's. people that have made more than her. >> Yeah, I'm sure they have. >> Um where does it say though?

>> More than 20 remember here. >> Okay. More than 20 members made almost. double the S&P 500 average gain which is. crazy. >> Yeah. So you tell me it's like 0.5% more. a percentage more. Okay. >> David Rouseer, Republican, North. Carolina. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Democrat, Florida. Ron Widen, Democrat, Oregon. Roger Williams, Republican, Texas. See, that's the point. It's like. it's not blue. It's not red. It's just. corruption across the board. They're all. doing it. If you're making more than.

50%, that's bananas. That's bananas. Yeah, >> like what is there? Hold on. Scroll back. down. Scroll down. Okay, look at this. The Pelosi one. An almost cult-like. following for her financial disclosures. saw the value of her household's. portfolio rise by 71% in recent years. Like that kind of trading is super. unusual. >> Yeah. >> To make more than double the average.

gain of 24.9. So make more than 50%. That's crazy. Nobody does that. >> No. And how would you how do how do you. explain that? >> And how do you explain those decisions. when you look at the decisions? Like she. dumps stock and then three months later. some big bill comes down the line that. [ __ ] that company. She buys stock and. then three months later some big bill. that comes down that you know they. they're funding for this new project. It's crazy. More than a dozen US. officials sold stocks before Trump's.

tariff sent the market plunging. Of. course they did. Well, how about when. Trump tweets out to buy? Remember that? >> That was part of this. Yeah. >> Oh, that's crazy. >> Yeah, it's [ __ ]. >> like, hey, don't do that. >> And is it crazy that he's in his own. money, too? How about that? >> And yet still like poor people are. sitting here arguing about who's the. better person. Like, it's [ __ ] wild. Like, they're all corrupt and they're. all [ __ ] us. some less than others. Some are some are. allowing us to talk,

>> you know, >> and that's I think that's when you see. like the South Park episode with Trump, like I know we're not we're not in a. fascist state yet. >> You know what I mean? It's like we're. still okay. >> Exactly. We're still okay. >> As long as South Park exists, we're. okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, look, look, it's all. weird, man. Because this system is. completely [ __ ] It's completely. [ __ ] and we don't want it to be and. they want it to stay the way it is. And. so there's this weird thing where they. have to get elected. So to get elected.

they have to say the things that we want. them to say and so then we believe it. every year like [ __ ] Charlie Brown. going to kick that football and Lucy. pulls it away. >> [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> But what's the weirdest thing to me is. that we're in this complete shifting of. the polls where the Republicans now are. in favor of free speech. The Republicans. want to end the wars. They want to stop. contributing to foreign countries. They, you know, they're they want comedy to be. comedy again. They don't want.

restrictions on people's behavior and. thinking. >> Yeah. >> And the Democrats have developed this. sort of like cultlike idea of what. everyone should accept and what's normal. and what's not normal and what needs to. be what needs to be elevated in our. population and what needs to be ignored. And it's just like, god damn, you guys. are you're ruining it for everybody that. thinks in a left way. Like anybody who's. reasonable, like a reasonable.

leftthinking person, which is most. artists, by the way. >> Yeah, of course. >> And then you get to this point where. you're like, "No, I can't go along with. you on all these things.". >> Yeah. Yeah, you guys are you're you're. just a bunch of [ __ ] [ __ ] who are. using these subjects as a a way where. you can behave incredibly shitty, incredibly uncharitable, like vicious, mean, ostracizing people from soc. to pretend that you're doing it for. good. You're doing it for you're gluing.

yourself to the wall for climate change. The [ __ ] you are. You're just a nut. you're just a crazy entitled nut and. you're [ __ ] up society. This is not. the way that people should be behaving. >> And it I can't believe it makes people. go to the other and the the Republicans. are smarter about it now in this day and. age because they're like, "Hey, we'll. take in. Hey, it's fine. Come over to. us. You could say whatever you want. Comedy's back." You know, >> it's a big eb and flow to me. It's like.

it's like some weird natural balance of. like things shift a little bit to the. left, things shift a little bit to the. right, >> but we got to hold the center. >> If if we [ __ ] could just figure. out like we're so we have so much in. common, people just generally who would. be considered more left or more right. And it's just a few things. >> that really are the the basis of our our. contention. >> Well, the real problem is the team. aspect of it. >> That's the It's [ __ ] [ __ ] Yeah, [ __ ] Say that. >> Yeah, you can say it.

>> Why can't you say I'm joking? >> Thank god you're joking. Some people. panic. Please edit that out. >> No, >> no. Retard's back. >> It's just, you know, I think it's going. to take time, but I think we're going to. eventually get to a place where we work. it out. And my best hopes of AI, this is. my best hopes because it could just ruin. the whole world and take over everything. and we could become slaves. >> Yeah. My my best hopes are it gets to a. point of efficiency and intelligence.

where corruption like that is impossible. and it figures out a way to organize. government spending in a way that. actually helps us. >> cuz that's what we want. The left and. the right both want like our tax dollars. to be used to benefit. >> the m like everyone. >> Yes. But unless you're running a. business and you can get an advantage. and that's where it gets gross cuz those. people can pay so much. And I think AI. is probably going to recognize that. It's going to say, "Listen, you want to.

really fix this? You have to stop this. competitive advantage.". >> Well, it's our ape genes, right? >> We're we're just [ __ ] more advanced. apes. That's it. >> And we still have uh, you know, a tribal. mentality that's. >> encoded in our [ __ ] DNA. And we have. to we have to elevate above that. >> Yep. And that just takes like avoiding. greed. >> It's also it's like what you do when you. paint is you focus on creating this. thing. Like this is what you're focused.

on. What they're focused on is numbers. in a bank account. >> and they're focused on getting those. numbers in there and they're [ __ ]. obsessed with getting those numbers in. there. So all those other steps that. they do like you're trying to figure out. your painting, you're trying to like. brush techniques and different things. and you're trying different angles, maybe shadowing it differently. What. they're doing is trying to figure out. how to push this and push that and get. this politician to make this legal and. that way they can make more money. And. then Nancy Pelosi is like, "We're gonna. pass it, Paul. Put in the put in the.

wager." Because it's basically wagering, right? You know, put in the buy the. stocks. It's going to roll. >> But if you have all the cards marked. >> Yeah, it is. And it's um it's [ __ ]. it's a real unfortunate thing. And how. do you avoid that? Because you really. you want corporations, you want them to. make Apple [ __ ] laptops and [ __ ] you. want a Samsung TV, you want these. things, right? So, how do you. >> how do you motivate. how do you get people that are motivated. to make the best products in the world.

and every year make them better and not. have them think only about making money. to the point where they're willing to. bribe politicians so that they can. pollute a river in India? >> Yeah. And that's what's so different. about artists. It's like we I I would. make paintings my whole life. Nobody. bought them. Nobody g gave a [ __ ] about. them. I would still make them and would. give them away or put them in a [ __ ]. closet somewhere. Like we for me I saw. like art as a way that maybe I could get. out of like the area that I was in like.

I could grow a little bit but at the at. the same time like doing the work was. what was important and what came with. that was secondary. It was all just. added bonus. >> Right. >> Right. So, like if I worked if I was. selling [ __ ] wheels or car tires, like I would only be thinking about the. how much money can I make, >> right? That's the problem. Especially if. it's not. >> if you're not like a wheel and car tire. enthusiast. It's one thing, you know, if. you love it. >> Yeah. Like I know dudes who work on cars.

and they they [ __ ] love it. Especially builders. Yeah. >> Like my friend Steve Stro, who's been on. the podcast before, who made my Nova. Uh-huh. >> That guy loves working on cars. He loves. it. I mean, that is his art. But he. makes custommade cars and it's like to. him it's just like making a song. It's. just like making a painting. >> Yeah. >> But when you're only thinking about. money, man, those are the people that. are the hardest to hang out with. Like. you ever hang out with financial people?

Like you ever get stuck at a party in. New York with a cod up financial guy? >> Have you seen this [ __ ] uh Derek. Moneyberg fella? >> Oh, is he the jiu-jitsu guy? Yeah, got. his black belt in three and a half. years, >> right? But he is Is he legit? Because. he's with legit people. So I can't. imagine. >> Jake Shields is a savage. Like all the. respect. >> Jake says he's legit. >> I think Jake gave him his black belt. >> Well, then he's legit. There's no way. I. know Jake. There's no way. Jake is his. jiu-jitsu is top of the food chain.

>> Yeah. >> And I know Gordon has trained with him. I know all these other people train with. him. >> Yeah. Downer was over there with him. >> I haven't heard anybody say anything. negative. So, here's the thing. Someone. who is like super rich, which apparently. this guy is, who trains with the best. trainers in the world and actually puts. the time in every day. It's super easy. to dismiss someone because they're rich. Super easy. >> Yeah. >> Zuckerberg is a primary example of that, right? I know for a fact Zuckerberg. trains really [ __ ] hard. Yeah. And he.

goes with real guys and he brings in. people like Dave Camaro trains with. them. He's trained with a ton of people. Yeah. So, he takes it very seriously. He. has access to incredible trainers and. he's an obsessive. He's a very. competitive, obsessive person. So, you. could say, "Oh, he's got $200 billion. He can't kick my ass. That dude [ __ ] you. up. That nerdy dude will [ __ ] you up.". And it's because he's actually put in. the time. Now, he doesn't have the time. that this Derek Money Bert guy has. Yeah. If this guy's got if he's putting.

in like hours and hours every single. day, which is what I heard that he was. like literally training multiple hours a. day every [ __ ] day at jiu-jitsu, you. can get to black belt level. I don't. know if he is, you know, but I know that. if those guys say he is, I believe them. >> That's I I told somebody I was like, "Let me just see him do an arm bar from. closed guard. Let me just see how how. sloppy that is, and then I'll I'll know. for sure.". >> Or not sloppy at all. >> Yeah. Then Exactly. >> Right. Why doesn't he just like show. some drilling?

>> That's all it would take. >> You don't even have to show me you. rolling. Let me see some tight drills. >> Yeah, that's all it would take. >> Yeah, let me see you go through. But, you know, he doesn't have to. But then. again, you kind of do have to if you. project the fact that you're doing that. >> Yeah. If you take some sort of like. braggadocious sort of angle like. >> three three years, seven months, got my. black belt. >> Right. You should probably show. something like, "Hey, let me show you. guys." Yeah. You know, because otherwise. >> I mean because when I start I was doing. [ __ ] two a day, two morning class,

night class and. >> yeah, >> you know, none of that came [ __ ] fast. for me. >> But you might not have been the most. naturally athletic guy. >> True. >> Yeah. >> True. >> But night classes and day classes are. great, but one-on-one is the ultimate. If you're a guy like him and you can get. John Donaher to coach you, you can get. Gordon Ryan to coach you, you can get. all those Jake Shields, all I mean I've. seen. >> photos and videos of him from training. sessions with the best guys in the. world. So if you can get and you're.

hiring them, >> yeah, it could be a cheat code or. >> it's 100% a cheat code. >> It's 100% if you do it, if you actually. do the work, it's 100% a cheat code. >> But that's the that's the thing like you. have to actually be training like really. hard. It's not as simple as you know. those guys, you talk to those guys, they. give you the [ __ ] secret handshake, and now you're good at jiu-jitsu, right? The only way to get good at jiu-jitsu is. hard work. That's it. >> Yeah. And I but I could never see. somebody like Jake Shields like [ __ ]. giving out a belt that wasn't deserved.

>> No, no, no, no. It's like when you hear. Guy Richie is a black belt, you go. really? And then you hear he's a Henzo. Gracie black belt, you go, oh, >> oh yeah, >> okay. He's legit. He's legit. >> Yeah. But there's not a lot of fake jiu-jitsu. black belts out there, man. >> I feel like we used to see more of them. back in the day. Oh, yeah. >> There'd be like those funny videos of. like somebody just. >> Oh, Eddie caught a couple of those. Yeah, >> there's a bunch of those videos where a. guy shows up at a school and he's got a. black belt on and then he rolls with. people and he gets tortured.

>> Yeah, that was like before YouTube. existed or any social media existed. You. kind of get away with it. >> Yeah. Well, I think people they they're. crazy. There's certain people that are. just completely schizophrenic and they. just. >> Yeah. They get it in their head and they. just, >> you know, >> they're not even trying to like con. people. It's just they really truly. believe in what their their mind is. telling them. >> Well, that might be possible. But I. think there's also a bunch of people. that their whole life is a con. It's. like a series of lies from the beginning. to the end. It's just they never live in. the truth. And so for them to put on a.

black belt is just the latest of Yes. I. was reading about this guy that like. said he was a doctor and like did. surgery on people for years. >> Yeah. his people that are nuts, man. >> There's uh one out of three pilots in I. think it's Pakistan. doesn't have a license. >> That's [ __ ] wild. >> They have fake licenses. See if that's. true. >> I I know I saved the article, but I. don't feel like going into my phone and. getting it. But it was like Jesus.

Christ. Like imagine you're on a plane. and the guy doesn't really know how to. fly. Like. >> Yeah. It's [ __ ] horrifying. Who's he? How does he figure out how to land that. [ __ ] thing? Like. >> I mean to pull out the amount of. intelligence to pull that off. Like he. probably could have got your [ __ ]. pilot's license. >> Well, a few successful flights. You would. think that the guy would just go ahead. and get the license. >> You're already doing the thing. That's. like I see artists in art school. I'm. like, you're already making art. >> You know how there's a story from 5.

years ago, so I don't know if it's. changed. Almost one in three pilots in. Pakistan have fake licenses. >> They didn't take the test or something. >> 262. >> Oh my god. 262 pilots in the country did. not take the exam themselves and had. paid someone else to sit in on their. behalf. They don't have flying. experience. He said Pakistan has 860. active pilots serving in its domestic. airlines including the country's. Pakistan international airlines flagship. as well as a number of foreign carriers.

Oh my god. How many crashes are they. having? I mean, if they're if they're. keeping them in the air, >> right? Ambitious dudes. >> Yeah. [ __ ]. >> Sometimes Sometimes you don't need a. diploma. >> I found that out because of a crash. >> Whoopsies. >> [ __ ] All right. >> Whoopsies. >> Yeah. >> Jesus Christ. Oh my god. That's so. crazy. People are so nuts, man. If you. let them be nuts, they will be nuts. >> Yeah. I think. you got to have like people don't want. any regulations. You want anarchy. Like, shut your mouth. Shut up. I I have this.

idea of like an altruistic anarchism. where it's like everybody just treats. everybody kindly and the way that you. would want to be treated. >> That would be great. >> Yeah. But it's so it's we're the our. [ __ ] ape mind is there's too many of. us that are [ __ ] nuts. >> Yeah. >> And greedy and like just out for self. And I get it. Like it makes sense. Like. there's a lot of self-preservation that. comes with that. But if we could all.

just kind of pull pull our [ __ ]. together. >> Self-preservation makes sense when. you're surrounded by a bunch of people. that are also selfish, right? That's. part of the problem is like if you if. you get lucky and you find a good crew. like early on in your life of people who. are down with you, they're your friends. and they love you no matter what, >> life is way easier. It's way easier. And. there's people out there that, man, they. don't [ __ ] have that. They don't. They have a bunch of people around them. that suck. >> just in a form of competition at all. times. >> I mean, I'm a lucky person. I'm a very.

lucky person. But I think the biggest. luck that I have is the people that I've. met and my friends. >> Yeah. >> Because it makes your life so much. better. >> Well, I mean, it shows like how much you. you support your friends, too. like like. the idea that if we can all get lifted. up together versus I'm going to step on. your shoulders and work my way to the. [ __ ] top, >> right? But not only that, but it also. shows that this my way works. >> Like you don't it doesn't hurt you to.

make other people successful or to help. other people get more successful or to. >> just to tell people they're awesome and. give them their as the kids call their. flowers. That's the kids. I I've. struggle I struggle with that one. >> The young hip-hop kids like to say that. give them their flowers. >> But you know, it used to be give them. their props. But it's like that. >> if you really love that person, that's. good for everybody. That's good for you, too. Like the people that want to step. on that person to elevate themselves.

Like you're just ruining your own life. >> You're you're you're missing the big. picture. And it's not necessary. It's. not necessary even in a competitive. environment. Even in something you're. competing like your friends and these. people that you're competing with, they. help you. >> Yeah, >> they really do. >> It's almost a necessity. >> I think it's a necessity with comedy for. sure. >> Yeah. >> No, I always say this that no great. comedy exists in a vacuum. >> I mean, there's people that have talent. that are in the middle of nowhere and. some real small local scene and they.

could become a great comic one day, but. they're not going to on their own. >> Yeah. >> They have to be around great comics. They can't just see them on YouTube. They got to see like David live, you. know? You got to see something like that. where you're like, "Whoa." You know, you. got to see Colin Quinn live. You got to. see these people that are masters and. see the thing that they do and get. inspired by it. >> Yeah. >> And to start to learn it, like. understand the process. Like that's what. same thing for me. Like I I thought I. was going to be like uh like do the.

Sunday comics in the newspaper like as a. kid. Like I didn't know I didn't know. what people did to make money making. art. Were you into comic books at all? >> Not really, but I like I was more. leaning towards that kind of aspect. >> of like this is how you can survive like. actually pay your bills. >> and make art still, >> but you just wanted to make art. >> I just wanted to make art, >> right? And it took I I became an. assistant for um a really well-known.

artist who, you know, ran a design firm, did fine. art, did like ran like was just like. like at the top of his game. And I. didn't go to art school, but I saw what. he was doing. And a couple other artists. like in the same same area, I was like, "Oh, okay. You're you're making. paintings. you're you're working with. these companies to do some design. That. design money is going back into your art. uh practice. Like it was just being able.

to see how something exists and then. knowing like, okay, I could do that, >> right? We're we're already doing the. same process, but here's the sort of. market of it. Here's here's how you. survive and here's how you continue to. grow and thrive. >> It's how you become a professional. >> It's how you become a professional. But. I mean, for if you're, you know, in. [ __ ] Wyoming somewhere, you might not. have these people that you see. You. might, you're so disconnected from a. community, you might not know. And then.

you're like, well, I I got to give this. this art thing up and, you know, >> get a job cuz I got to pay bills cuz you. just don't actually have the awareness. that there is a pathway. And this is the. failure of the school system because it. never teaches kids that are artists or. people that have alternative ways of. existing in society that there's ways to. make a career. I got kicked out of the. only art class I ever took in high. school. >> This [ __ ] we had to draw a shoe. or something and I turned mine into like.

a robot cuz I didn't like how the shoe. was turning out. And he said, "You have. to draw a shoe or I'm failing you. I'm. going to kick you out of the class. You. have to draw a shoe." And I'm just like, kick me out then. And I knew like at. that, you know, at 15, 16 that like art. is what I decided is that no, nobody. else can say what the [ __ ] rules are. Like this is for me to do. And now I. forget his [ __ ] I wish I knew. I. remembered his name and tell him to [ __ ]. off right now. >> There's a lot of those guys that turn. people off. I had a high school art.

teacher turn me off to art, too. He was. just a dick. And then I found out that. the most talented guy in the class is. kid John D'Vor, who I I still contact. every now and then. We talk on email. He. was the most talented guy. He gave that. guy an F. >> And I go, "No." So, it's like I hadn't. communicated with John since I left art. class, but we did a bunch of stuff. together. We did a bunch of drawings. together. >> Yeah. >> And when. >> Do you ever draw? >> No, not really. No. I do sometimes with. my daughter. One of my daughters is. really talented.

>> Um, I draw sometimes with her, but for. the most part, no. It's interesting. I. did a little drawing on vacation. We. were drawing stuff together. It was fun, >> but. >> you know, I just don't have the time to. get obsessed with it right now. I'm. obsessed with too many things and I have. to manage my. >> I'm still waiting for you to start. golfing. >> No, no, no, no, no. >> Putting is. >> putting is pool on an undulated uh. warped table. >> Oh, I understand. I be great at it. >> Listen, I know everybody that I know. that I love who's into it is obsessed.

And that's part of the problem. >> Yeah. It's like I know what's coming and. I know it's like a [ __ ] multiple hour. thing. You got to dress like an [ __ ]. Wear stupid shoes. >> You do have to dress like an [ __ ]. That's for sure. >> And then I see all these [ __ ] fights. where people are fighting on the golf. courses. Do you see that drunken guy. that got in a with a with a hockey. enforcer? >> Yeah. Through through the lake. First of. all, the size of that guy. The fact that. you're squaring up and you're just. bluffing and you're squaring up with. this [ __ ].

>> That's one of those spots where people. think they're way [ __ ] tougher cuz. they got a bag full of clubs than they. actually are. People get out of [ __ ]. control on a. >> dudes. It's so dumb. >> And it's drinking, too. The guy was. clearly hammered and I think he made a. video afterwards apologizing. >> Yeah. Good. >> Cuz he was just drunk. He's just drunk. and he got stupid. But he got stupid. with That's what I always tell people. like don't get in fights. One day you're. going to get in a fight with a guy who. knows what he's doing and you're going. to get [ __ ] up. >> Imagine that [ __ ] fear like when he. got grabbed by that [ __ ] hockey.

player. >> He's got his jacket. He's just [ __ ]. hair with right hands. >> What a nightmare. But like I hope he was. like, "Wow, I really made a poor. choice.". >> No, at that time he was just drunk as. [ __ ] And probably thinking, "I'm going. to get him back. I'm going to get him. back." Cuz I know what that fear feels. like when somebody really [ __ ] like, you know, in a gym scenario and somebody. really grabs you and you're like, "Oh, fuck." Like there is nothing I could do. right now. Like I tapped to Big Nog's. side control. He squeezed me so [ __ ].

hard it felt like my ribs were going to. come out of my mouth. >> Oh god. >> And I, you know, I was like a blue belt. Maybe he's still a white belt. And I by. tapped to side control. >> That's crazy. >> And I started thinking, well, what if he. was [ __ ] punching me too, you know? >> Well, also he's way bigger than is. [ __ ] massive. >> Yeah, he's way bigger than you. The the. the the the amount of pressure if you're. a really big person, you put down on a. small person, it's really kind of. unbearable. But even somebody who's like. my same same weight or whatever, like. that when you really like I'm [ __ ]. wrapped up and like if this person.

wanted to, they could end me right now. >> Oh yeah. That was always the most uh eye. openening to me when I would roll with. guys who are 30 40 pounds lighter than. me and they just [ __ ] me up. And. immediately I was like I never want to. act tough in public again ever. Like. that fear of like if somebody I I got. into there was a guy who was I was in a. like a time period where I was partying. a lot. This guy was just being a dick to. a bunch of people. said something shitty. to my friend and I'm trying to walk away. and it just like my my brain was just.

like say something and I was just like. why you being a [ __ ] dick like you. know and he puffed up and started coming. at me and like he like swiped something. out of my hand and immediately my. instincts kicked into jiu-jitsu. I. grabbed he had like a like a like a. flannel on. I grabbed his collar like a. lapel and I grabbed his wrist and just. getting like immediately I was just. gonna throw him. And then like the other. voice in my head is like the guy had a. dog actually who wasn't on leash and I.

was like if I throw this guy on his head. right now and his dog runs in the street. I'm going to feel a little guilty. >> But I sensed in him that you know like. when a grappler like grabs your wrist. like you feel it. It feels different. than somebody else. >> It's someone who knows what they're. doing. >> Yeah. like immediately grabbed both and. like put the squeeze on him that I could. read in his eyes like oh that wasn't. normal and and then I was like no no no. like let go and then he like walked away. talking [ __ ] and I just left yeah.

>> perfect. >> and you know that that's really rare for. me but it was like he had said something. shitty to somebody but to have somebody. grab you like that and the fear that can. come with that I would never want to. experience that in real life. No, >> like. [ __ ] horrifying. >> Well, all street fights are stupid. They're terrible. And the people that. know how to fight, don't do them. They. They don't want anything to do with it. You should just go to a gym. You should. go to a gym. If you have this desire, >> did you see this video recently? I saw.

it yesterday. You guys were making me. think of it. What happened? >> Uh this guy on top, they're saying the. guy on the bottom's a white belt. He. gets choked out without the use of arms. It's all legs here. Gets put in the arm. Oh, this is so rude. Why is he doing. this to a white belt? That's. >> Well, I mean, they're training, I guess, but I know, but it's so rude. >> That's for the I would go to you guys. being experts. >> Yeah. Oh, Eddie can do that. >> Very rude. >> No. Well, it's kind of rude to shake his. head there. It's also that guy is just. training. He's just using that guy as a.

practice dummy. Will sharpen up your. triangles. >> It's kind of rude, but I mean, what do. you want to happen if you roll with a. white belt? Do you want him to win? Like. you want to let him win. No. Like what. do you do? You tap them. You tell them. what to do along the way. Like you got. to protect this arm. This arm's in a bad. spot. Don't reach back like that because. then you open yourself up for the arm. triangle. >> You got to tell them T-Rex, keep your. arms in tight. >> That's how I coach when I'm when I'm. training with somebody like I'm talking. them through it. And I'll even I'll do. the thing where I tell them what I'm.

going to do before I do it. >> so that they can start to work out their. defenses and like get an idea, you know? >> Cuz as a black belt, like you can beat. everybody up. like that kind of loses. some of its shine after a while. Like. >> I think that guy was using that dude as. just a training dummy. He was like, I. could just work my triangle. >> He's just working on his legs. >> Yeah, >> cuz if you can cinch up a triangle, even. on a white belt with no legs, at least. you're getting reps in. >> No. Yeah. And it probably makes it like. somewhat more difficult. >> It's better than that dummy I have. collecting dust in my gym. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Dummy that back at.

all. Just like slight resistance. >> You know what I do use though? I use. that Bubba dummy. You know that thing, the the punching dummy? It's like the. rubber. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. With the big. There's something good for that. Just. target practice. It's good. You can't. kick it too hard because it falls over, but if you uh you can kick the face. You. could slap the face. >> Yeah. And there's something about those. that just you want to kind of give them. a little bit of the business. >> Yeah. [ __ ] you, Bob. >> We have one sitting right next to our. our boxing ring in the gym, and I always.

post up. And. >> it's really good for practicing certain. kicks. It's really good for question. mark kicks. is there's a shoulder. element and you're with a question mark. kick you're really trying to go over the. shoulder. >> yeah like the globe fotosa the ftosa one. >> globe fatsa ftosa had the absolute best. question mark kick of all time and his. question mark kick would come down on. you it would go over the shoulders and. just chop down and like the that bob. dummy is great for practicing that it's.

like the best thing for practicing. because a bag is so straight you know. the bag kicking down like that it's like. it's you don't have a real target like. you do with that bob dummy cuz you're. really trying to get the neck. You're. really trying to go over the top and get. that neck just. >> Yeah. Such a strange looking kick too. >> Oh yeah. It works though, man. >> Yeah, >> that [ __ ] works. That works a lot cuz. like you worried about that front kick. to the guts. So you'll do this, you. know, or you think a low kick is coming. and then it comes over the top and by. the time it's you don't react, you can't.

react in time. >> Yeah. Like you're already planning to. get kicked in the leg and by the time. you figure it out it's in your [ __ ]. ear. >> Exactly. And the guys that are good with. like Luke Rockhold has a nasty one. There's guys that are good with it like. oof. It's just so sneaky over the top. >> That's another thing. Imagine just. running into some tie guy who you think. you could throw around. [ __ ] blast you with a [ __ ] knee. >> Not only that, the trips, they're so. good at tying up in the clinching and. dumping people. Have you ever trained.

with like a guy who's like really good. at tripping you? >> Yeah. As soon as you tie up, whoops, your leg is up and you're like, "Motherfucker, you. >> That's why I always want to throw like. flying like ankle locks.". >> Yeah. Well, that's the difference. between like Muay Thai and jiu-jitsu. because in jiu-jitsu, okay, you threw me. to the ground. Now we're just started. Yeah. >> And now I have a hold to your leg. Then. the referee's not going to stand us up. I'm going to break your knee. Yeah. >> Like you dumbass. You threw me down with. an inside control. >> I have an inside hook. >> It's like a [ __ ] superpower, too, man.

>> I'm so glad I found it. Like I owe a lot. to you. I think uh like the way you you. spoke of it like back then to like even. just to get into the gym cuz that's the. [ __ ] hardest part like. >> like crossing that door path and and. getting on the mat like there's so many. days where you're going to be like I. don't want to do that like I don't feel. like it but as soon as you get there. it's like so worthwhile and so valuable. >> Yeah. You just got to force yourself to. do it. And and that's something I really. owe to Eddie. Eddie, as crazy, you know, like creative and abstract as he is,

>> he's super disciplined when it comes to. his training. He was always like super. super disciplined. >> Well, you can see it like my game is is. very similar to like uh to Eddie's and. like Lucas Lech like that. Just wherever. you can get a hold of the leg like I. pull I I like to pull with the quarter. guard, >> you know what I mean? Like I like to. play from there. >> and like. >> I I'm curious. I want to know how many. people have the lock down muscle in.

their [ __ ] calf. I've got a lot. No, there has to be there. >> But I've never seen one. >> And it's so. >> Get that tip bar, dog. Get that thing. Get that thing. You put like a little plate on it and. you lift you lift with your foot. It's. legit, man. You could do tip bar raises. where you just stand on your heels and. lean against the wall and just lift your. foot up over and over and over again. That does it too. >> But the tip bar thing, you could do it. with weight. >> That's it right there. Look at that. sucker. >> Oh yeah. >> Yeah, I have that. I use that [ __ ].

every day. I have both of them. I have. >> I've been wanting my butterfly guard to. get better, too. >> Yeah, man. This will have a big impact. on it. And you could also use it to do a. leg extension. So you could do a leg. extension and then you could lift the. foot at the top if you wanted to. You. could actually emulate. >> You actually do it from your back. Now. that I'm thinking about it, you could. put one of those in on each leg and you. could lie down on your back and you. could spec Yeah. And specifically work. butterfly guard. >> There's so many cool ways to work out.

now. I know. >> there's so many amazing people that have. like figured out ways to protect your. knees and protect your back and, you. know, and help your shoulder stability. and and just they give it away. They. give it away online. Like it's we have. such an amazing resource available now. for training. Like think about like if. you're a young guy like there's these. guys that are coming up that have only. been doing jiu-jitsu for short like. Joseph Chen only been doing jiu-jitsu. for a short amount of time, you know, like less than seven years I think and.

dominating And all said, "Why?" Cuz he's. obsessed. And because he has all this. information online. >> Yeah. >> You You can watch so many. instructionals. There's so many videos. of guys pulling things off. You can. rewind it. Watch it again. Rewind it. Watch again. Get together with your. friend. Okay. Put your No, put your hand. on the left knee. Okay. And then when I. push, you pull. And then watch that. >> Like, "Oh [ __ ] that works.". >> And that takes so long if you're just. doing it like in a organic like training. way. >> Yeah, for sure. But the the beauty like.

I like I came up with what a technique. that I haven't seen or haven't done. before that like it can everything. continues to evolve even as much as. we've all trained the same [ __ ] for so. long like there's still new avenues to. to explore. There's still room to be. creative. >> always. >> Well, that's one of the cool things that. Eddie will do. Someone someone pulls. something off and they have a thing. Eddie will go, "Show me that. Show me. that. Everybody check this out." And. they'll have the whole class gather. around and then like tell me what you're.

doing. Talk me through the thing. What I. like to do is I like to get mission. control and then I shovel this arm. through and then I grip it like this and. they're like, "Okay, try that." And. everybody tries it. And then Eddie will. go, "Do it on me." You're like, "Huh?". Yeah. >> All right. Let me try to do it on you. H. like do me try to get out of this. And. then they'll try to like workshop it. Like would it be better with this? Would. it be better with that? Like how did you. get to this spot? Like why did you do. you have a pathway that you take to get. to this? Do you get to this spot all the. time? Huh. >> And that's so similar to your uh. comedian sort of community too, like you.

have that option. >> Well, I think that's why I brought that. to the comedy community because that was. always the way it was in gyms, like in. jiu-jitsu and in in kickboxing and. taekwondo and Muay Thai. Like people. teach you how to do stuff. >> And it's so good for us as a like a. culture too, like the way to interact. with people who you may never interact. with in your day-to-day life ever. like. to have that sort of community aspect. like I feel like that draws a lot of.

people in outside of all the other. benefits. >> Yes, there's a lot of community to it. >> and it's and it's such a like vast array. of different types of people from every. culture from every sort of class level. >> and we all find a common equality of. course with a hierarchy of of experience. but we're all in the same boat together. Well, that's the same with yoga. It's. the same with a lot of things. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's just like you find a. group of people that have also found.

this very productive, very beneficial. thing. Where you going, Marshy? >> Hi, puppy. >> Marshall just woke up. >> I saw your new puppy. >> Oh, he's adorable. >> Jesus Christ. >> He's Marshall's new buddy. They're. really fun together. >> Is it a cocker spaniel? >> No, it's a King Charles Spaniel. >> Okay, >> Marcia, come here, buddy. Marie, show. everybody. Come say hi to everybody. Come here. Come on. Come on. >> Such a cutie. >> He's tired. >> Long day. You guys go running. >> Come on up. Not today. Today. He just. just came here to hang out. He's the.

best. Golden retrievers are the absolute. best dogs. >> They just all love. >> They just they would just want to cuddle. with you and hang out with you and they. want to play, but the whole thing is. just like be with you. >> Yeah. >> They're just the best. And he's sweet to. everybody. >> I wish they lived like 150 years. I know. they live if you're lucky. Well, he's on. a really good diet. We're putting him on. a farmer's dog now. I'm changing his. food. He was on the Mave stuff which is.

great, but he's on a raw food diet. >> Yeah, that's I was going to ask you to. do the raw. >> Made a giant difference. >> Giant difference in the way he looks, the way his coat is. Made a giant. difference in his energy levels. >> Yeah. >> You know, wolves. >> Well, it's also it's like they're just. like people, man. And if you have a. person and you feed them nothing but. processed food, they're going to be. sick. >> Yeah. Eating cereal every day. >> Yeah. I mean, that stuff just sits on a. counter. >> forever. It sits on a shelf. You go to. the pet food store, those bags are just. sitting there. Like any real food.

shouldn't be just sitting there like. that. It's going to rot. Yeah. >> So, that means that food has nothing. live in it, you know? >> You got you got to give them the [ __ ]. raw. >> Mhm. the wrong. >> Well, like I said, >> you can cut it with the with the drive. >> You don't need to. This the the way they. have these like with farmer's dog and. with the stuff that he's been eating, Mave, >> it comes with it's like frozen like. green beans and blueberries and potatoes. and and meat. >> Yeah. It's food.

>> And it just changes everything, man. They don't fart as much. Like it's it's. so much better for them. They have way. more energy. It's like their her whole. his whole body composition changed. >> Yeah. I love it when people like. actually [ __ ] care. Like the. >> their pet isn't just a like a [ __ ]. decoration. >> No, dogs are the best. Yeah. >> They're your life will be more loving if. you have dogs. They're just always. around. They're always cool. They're so. consistent and they they have simple. needs. >> Yeah. >> They just want to be unless. >> and just uncondition they're.

unconditionally loving all the time. >> Unless you get a working dog. And. there's a lot of dummies out there that. go and get a Belgian Malaminoa and not. understand like, okay, >> yeah, >> they're great dogs, but you have you. have a responsibility now. Yeah, cuz you. don't have a regular dog. You have a. super athlete. >> You're living with like a K-9 race car. Yeah, >> that's really what that is. Like you you. can't just leave that in the yard. >> You see those people that train those. dogs like doing the little walk in. between their legs as they're walking.

down like. >> Yeah. My friend Anthony just got one. >> Have a couple. >> He just got one. and he's sending me. videos of the puppy and I'm like, "Oh my. god, this thing is like bro and they. jump like 25 ft in the air off the. wall.". >> They fly. They run flips and [ __ ]. >> They run right up walls. >> Yeah, there's. >> Imagine one of those [ __ ] chasing. you. >> Yeah, it's hell. They're meat missiles. There's This is uh I'll send this to. you. I sent it to I sent it I'll send it. to Jamie cuz I sent it to Brian Ken cuz. me and Brian Ken are both [ __ ] and. we talk about dogs all day long. We talk. about like what's the coolest animal,

but this video shows the difference. between how a shepherd, a German. Shepherd, which is also a great dog, approaches uh something to the. difference way a Belgian Malamoa does. because. >> Yeah. >> Have you seen it? >> Yeah. Jumping across the chairs and. [ __ ]. >> Here, I sent it to you. >> It's It's nuts. Like the the shepherd. runs around. He's like, I'm going to. find a way to get to that guy. I'm going. to go around this way. The Malmo runs. over the chair. Watch this. So here's. the shepherd. So the shepherd, he's.

going around. He's got to find the guy. and he gets to him. He bites him. Watch. the malam moa. Now let's do look at the. [ __ ] malam over the top over every. chair. It's like just so driven. They're. so driven and so athletic, man. And it's. not that a German Shepherd's not. athletic. >> But like in comparison, look at what. this [ __ ] does, man. >> He just runs over these chairs. He gets. there in one second. >> Insane. They're so athletic. So like a. dog like that is not like Marshall. Like.

Marshall is cool, just hanging here, chilling. You got a Belgian Malmo. That. [ __ ] needs tasks. He's just. like, it's basically like me. >> Like you got to work him out. He's got. to do things. You can't just have him. sitting in the house. He'll go [ __ ]. crazy. >> Yeah. Otherwise, he's going to be. smoking crack back in the alleyway. >> He is ADHD in dog form. That's what a. Belgian Malmo is. Like. you can't put him on rolin. You got to. exercise that little guy. >> Yeah. You got to work that [ __ ] out. >> Yeah, man. He needs And it's like if you.

have the time to do that, they're. incredible dogs. But it's like you got. to know what you're getting. You know, if you want a dog that just chills, get. yourself a golden retriever. You want a. family dog, get yourself a go or a lab. They're the best. They just chill. >> I had a Boston Terrier for a long time. >> Oh, they're sweet. >> I haven't been able to get another dog. since since he died. Like it was like. too draining. Too emotionally draining. Like. >> it's hard, man. >> Yeah. It was like a family member, you. know?

>> It's hard, man. It's hard. I still get. sad thinking about my dogs. >> Yeah. >> That have died. >> But, you know, it's there's loss and. there's life and you just got to. appreciate them why they're here. And I. always love new ones, too. I love. everybody's dogs. I love Carl. Carl's. here today. >> He seems like a little calmer with. Marshall today. >> Just growing boy. >> He's growing. He's getting his [ __ ]. together. Yeah, he's just a puppy, right? >> He's also listening when you tell him to. stop now. >> He's listening. >> Bulldogs are a special breed. Especially. the English ones.

>> Like they're just stubborn little. pricks. Yeah. Like they're going to do. what they want. I I was watching a lady. try to walk her two like young English. bulldogs this morning. They were walking. her like and they they'll put that. little You'll actually get it with the. French bulldog when they put the brakes. on and they're like, "We normally walk. this way, but right now. >> I'm going that way. >> I'm going that way, bitch." Exactly. >> I'm the boss. >> Yeah. Especially male dogs with their. balls, they'll they'll test you. He's. never tested me once.

>> Not once. Never growled. >> Never growled. >> He's pretty [ __ ] mellow. >> He's the best. He He You know what he. barks at? >> Um snowmen. in my neighborhood. In my neighborhood, this guy had a one of them inflatable. snowmen and I'm taking him for a walk. and he sees like. >> he's like, "What the [ __ ] is that? Is. that a guy?" Like he the form of it, whatever it was. And it was one of them. inflatable ones. So, it's kind of like. moving around. >> He was like, "Yo, what the [ __ ] is that? Is that a bear?" Like,

>> yeah, I would love to jump in a dog's. brain when they have those moments, >> right? Like a snowman freak out. >> Yeah. probably looks like a [ __ ]. monster, >> bro. It's so funny cuz you know cuz I'm. relaxed and he's barking. I'm like, "Bro, trust me.". >> I would I'd be He's thanking you if that. was a bad. >> He's looking back at you like, "Are we. are we going to fight this [ __ ]. thing? >> Are you [ __ ] seeing this? That's a. [ __ ] guy.". >> Like, no. It's just It's just an. inflatable thing. >> Yeah. He. >> But other than that, he never barks. He'll bark if he wants to be let in. That's it. He goes to the door and he.

just let out a little bark. >> Yeah. >> Just let you know. Hey, that's Jamie and. I were talking before like it's very. interesting how you start to communicate. >> with your dogs and you start to. understand what they need and like over. enough time you like you have a silent. communication which is. >> very very peculiar. >> and he knows the difference between. going for a hike and then coming to the. studio. >> He knows the difference. >> Yeah. >> You like he like you know when he get if. we go somewhere and he's going to go run. like he's all amped up when he gets out.

of the car. He gets here and he's like. hey everybody's cool. What's up? How's. everybody doing? >> Air conditioning's on. >> He's ready to lie on his back and get. pet, you know? >> Yeah. >> It's like he's he's the best. >> Yeah, dogs are [ __ ] amazing. We. almost don't deserve them. >> Well, it's just such a weird thing that. we've done. >> because so bizarre. >> They used to be wolves and you can't. train wolves. There there's a reason why. wolves aren't in the circus. Think about. that. Think about that. You've got. monkeys, bears, and tigers that you can.

train to do circus shows in front of. everybody. You can't train a wolf. >> They won't listen. But yet, >> we turned a wolf into a dog that like. literally listens to everything I say. That guy say, "Sit down, buddy. Relax.". And he'll just sit. Yeah. >> You know, like, "All right, you ready to. go?" He's like, "I'm ready." And he just. gets up and goes. Like, it's like, "How. did that happen?" And the fact that they. have that like [ __ ] super gene that. they they could transform into so many. different variations.

>> of the same thing. >> through selection. Yeah, that's what's. weird like selective breeding where you. could turn a dog into Carl. >> Like if you have enough time, you can. turn a mastiff into this tiny little. thing. You just need enough time and. enough different select genes and find. like this female is a little smaller. Let's breed her with a smaller male and. this one has a shorter snout. Like, how. are they even how what' you do? How'd. you get a Chihuahua, >> right? From a wolf.

>> A wolf. You know, they didn't even they. weren't even sure of that until like I. don't know, [ __ ] 20 years ago. >> Really? >> They didn't know. They thought they came. from wild dogs and [ __ ] It's when they. started sequencing the genome. They're. like, "What? >> Yeah, it's exactly the same. >> These are all wolves." Like, they kind. of thought probably a lot of them came. from wolves, like huskys and [ __ ] like. that. >> They're like, "No, all of them." That. sort of symbiosis is really interesting. too, like how plants like we have that. symbiosis with plants and like uh like.

certain plants who have followed our. evolutionary line down the way or you. know like we get connected to these I. think sometimes we forget that we're. still a natural part of the environment. Well, how weird is it that plants. literally put their seeds in the middle. of delicious fruit so that we will [ __ ]. it out. >> and that [ __ ] will act as a fertilizer. and help it grow. >> Yeah, it's [ __ ] wild. >> What a cra not only that, but if you eat. the seeds, they're bad for you. But if. you swallow it. >> has cyanide in it.

>> So, it's like evolutionary design. evolutionarily designed for you to just. pass it through digestive tract hole. Yeah. >> Just swallow them. Or even the fact that. it's the certain color that reminds us. of a flavor, >> right? >> That like a certain color looks. delicious. >> Yeah. Or. >> And all it's doing is tricking us into. eating it to [ __ ] it somewhere and allow. itself to. >> a certain color that looks poisonous, >> right? >> So you're scared of it. >> Yeah. >> You know, I was watching this uh video. the other day of a spider that makes a.

decoy spider and puts it in. >> I saw that. >> How? It's building a sculpture, >> right? >> Yeah. >> And it looks like a [ __ ] spider, which is really crazy. So, how does a. spider even know what a spider looks. like? >> And how did it develop? >> Doesn't have a mirror, >> right? How did it develop this ability. to make a sculpture out of its own. webbing? Like, look at this. That's. crazy, man. >> Yeah. >> I mean, that's really crazy.

>> It's making a decoy. >> Yeah. Or like those caterpillars that look. like they have a snake. >> as their tail or whatever. >> Or mantises. You ever see mantis that. make it look like their their arms are. giant teeth? >> They put their their arms together like. this little ridges and they they make it. look like they have a giant mouth. >> Yeah. >> Such a [ __ ] bizarre. >> Like how that's that's the wild thing. about evolution. It's like how what is. the entire process that allows some.

thing to develop where when the the moth. opens its wings, it looks like eyeballs. >> Yeah. >> Like what is that? >> Yeah. It's [ __ ] just life is really. good at reproducing itself. >> How do you get a Venus fly trap where a. plant tricks you into coming into the. center of this trap and then. it eats flies? >> Nuts. >> The whole thing. I mean, that's why you. got to like find some joy in it. Find. like find a little, you know, entertainment in how [ __ ] bizarre.

everything is. We get so wrapped up. >> in our dayto-day in our just getting by. >> like just having the moment to be like, "Wow.". >> Wasn't that a part of a problem with. working really hard, too? Like you you. you know, you don't see the forest for. the trees. >> Yeah. >> And you can get caught up in whatever. the [ __ ] you're doing and like forget. like, "God, the world is pretty. amazing.". >> Yeah. But the whole thing is so [ __ ]. bizarre. >> Yeah. >> And I, you know, we're we try so hard to. act like we [ __ ] know it all, too. >> To just leave some room for some some.

mystery. It's. >> so important. >> Well, people are weird, man. And there's. no real good working manual of how to. live life. >> Yeah. There's there's no right way. There's no right way. Like and any. advice anybody tries to give you, they're only working on their own. experience. >> Especially when you're trying to pick a. weird career. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Like like an artist. >> Yeah. >> Like good luck. Or a comedian or an MMA. fighter or anything like you want to do.

that. >> like who are you going to even ask? >> You got to find what you love and. literally just [ __ ] go for it. Like, and I I I know there's a sort of uh. like, okay, you got kids, you got a. [ __ ] mortgage. I get it. You know, like. >> I'm I've hustled all kinds of different. ways to to make sure I continue on the. process, you know, on the path. But. like, >> yeah, it's very different if you have. people that you're taking care of and.

those responsibilities are paramount. So. then sometimes maybe that that reward. system that you would get from something. else maybe comes from that. >> 100%. 100%. But what what we're saying. is that like as you are listening to. this, if you're going on your journey. into life and you think you might be. going in a safe direction that's going. to make money versus the direction that. you really want to go to, ask yourself. how bad you really want it. Like what do.

you want to do with your life? Do you. want your life to be really fun? Do you. want your life to be really rewarding. where you wake up and you're excited. about what you do? Or do you want every. day to be a grind? Do you want every day. to be like you can't wait to get off. >> so you can get a cocktail so you can. [ __ ] calm down cuz you hated you hate. everybody in the office and everybody. treats everybody like [ __ ] and the boss. is a dick. >> and you just get home, you just want to. drink and watch Netflix. Like. >> you got to decide. You got to decide and. he's gonna you're gonna have to take. some drastic steps and you're probably.

going to have a lot of doubt. >> especially if you're doing something. weird like if you want to be an artist. or you want to be a comedian like. >> it's a long road man. >> The doubt fuels it can it can handcuff. you and make you stop but it can also. push you to go further. >> Well that's where doing something else. that's difficult so you know that you. can do difficult things really comes in. handy. And that's what I always preach. about jiu-jitsu. Yeah, >> I think jiu-jitsu above all of them is. the one that you can do the most and you.

get the most out of it. And you can get. hurt for sure and I've been hurt a bunch. of times, don't get me wrong, but it's a. different kind of hurt than sparring. The hurt that you get from kickboxing. and you know that you were talking about. from Muay Thai, it's different. You. can't do that every day. You can't you. can't spar every day. You get hurt. >> Yeah. >> You get your brain gets beaten up. your. [ __ ] your nose gets [ __ ] up where. you can't breathe out of it anymore. It's just you don't want that kind of. hurt. It's too debilitating and it could.

[ __ ] with you for the rest of your life. in terms of like the just literally the. way you think, >> which was always the scariest thing for. me. I remember when I was thinking about. stopping fighting, it was like cuz I was. lying in bed at night with headaches. >> Yeah. >> From sparring days. >> Yeah. >> And I was like, what am I doing to my. brain? like this is the only thing that. I have that's going to help me decide. how to get through life. It's the only. thing that I have. >> Yeah. >> And once you start meeting people that. you know are compromised, meeting people. that you know have brain damage like.

>> Yeah. You're starting to see it, man. Like I think people who have been. fighters their whole life, you know, starting to see a lot of that like the. CTE or whatever the football players. were dealing with and like how big of an. effect I mean head trauma is so so. [ __ ] damaging. >> Yep. >> Like and the way that it could show. itself in so many different ways. >> and like. >> gambling addictions, drug addictions, depression, >> even like manias like like like.

hallucinations, >> you know. I I feel like it almost. transforms people into like uh like. waking nightmares. >> sometimes for some people. >> Sure. >> To where it's like that feeling of like. you know like you see somebody who. but there's somebody else. >> Exactly. >> Right. Like there there's so many like. aspects that. like just end up destroying your your. normal dayto-day life. It's.

>> Yeah. It [ __ ] up their hormones. It. [ __ ] up everything. And you know, yet. it makes for this insanely attractive. sport to watch. >> Yeah. And they love it, right? >> You just got to know when to get out. >> Yeah. >> You got to know when to get out. And. that's what's hard. >> Yeah. >> And the really the hardest thing is that. they don't have anything else. >> because in order to be really good at. something like fighting, you have to. dedicate your entire life to it. It has. to be everything about your waking. moment. >> Yeah. >> And when it's not and it's just a job, that's when it gets [ __ ] dangerous. because those guys get really [ __ ] up.

a lot of the time. >> Yeah. when you have to get the next. fight to to keep the [ __ ] train. rolling. >> Yeah. And then you have a family and you. and like you realize like you don't have. any savings. >> Yeah. >> And so then to quit like what are you. going to do? How are you going to. generate, you know, if you're fighting. and you're making $250 $300,000 a year. fighting three or four times a year? Like how are you going to replace that. >> with like a regular job? Yeah. You're. not. You don't have any skills. Like all. of your skills are in how to [ __ ] people. up. >> So what are you going to do? You going. to teach? You can teach. Maybe.

Especially if you're real technical. >> Yeah, but that's not going to give you. the same quality of life or like the you. know, >> it could eventually. I mean, there's. some guys that make a lot of money off. of teaching. >> Sure. >> You know, that's kind of rare though. I. mean, >> we have to be really good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You have to be really good because. >> like be franchising. >> There's a lot of demand, you know, like. you could if you're an Eddie Bravo, you. can teach seminars and you have a bunch. of affiliates in a bunch of schools like. that. >> But he's in the top, you know, 5%. >> Exactly. Exactly. For most people, it's. a grind. >> Yeah. And so I mean I teach I I was.

telling Zach like to me jiu-jitsu is. like a parasite and it got in me and now. it's trying to find other hosts. Like I. I literally am just trying to share but. it's like it's it's like jiu-jitsu is. forcing me to share it regurgitating it. into some other host so that it can. regurgitate itself into somebody else. >> But it's a beneficial parasite. Don't. you think that teaching helps your. jiu-jitsu though? >> A million%. all of my students. when I try to use my tricks.

>> and then evolve. other little smoke screens and. diversions. >> to get to the spot that I need to get. cuz they know. >> and I I like to I'll show stuff that I. don't normally do, but a majority of my. curriculum is stuff that I do that I. know works that I I know all the ins and. outs of. I know every little detail of. how you get to the spot, like what you. do, what you do if they do A, B, or C. >> And that's what I share.

And as I do that, like I I I notice. little techniques not working anymore. >> Well, don't you think it's also as you. explain the techniques to people, it. tightens up your own understanding of. the techniques and makes you better at. >> a thousand%. Because you have to think. of it and it like a lot of times our. movements are muscle memory, >> right? We don't really consciously think. too much about it because we've done it. a thousand times where it's like I do. this then I do this then I do that. >> and you don't think about it. But when. you have to show somebody,

>> you have to think about all those things. that you never think about. Help explain. it to somebody who doesn't know what the. [ __ ] you're talking about. >> Yeah. >> And get them to grasp it. I've seen that. time and time again in jiu-jitsu where a. guy's pretty good and he starts teaching. like coaching like beginners oneonone. private lessons and stuff to make some. extra money and next thing you know he's. a killer. Yeah. >> It's like wow that's it's I think that's. a missing part of the key to development. is teaching. >> I think I I'm honestly surprised when.

others don't want to do the same. Like I. never like I never gatekeep techniques. Like I if I see something that I think. will work, like I I honestly think I'm a. much better coach than I am a jiu-jitsu. practitioner. Like I'm horrible at. competing. Like just sometimes I just be. like, "Okay, I'm just going to stay here. until I kind of have a room to get out. and I don't have to try too [ __ ]. hard." But. >> I can see the game much better in my.

students. And like we're my gym, Steel. MMA, is a little bit of like a rag tag. sort of like Bad News Bears kind of gym. cuz there's so many highlevel. competitive gyms in San Diego. >> Yeah. >> But we go to all the local tournaments. and we get on the [ __ ] on the podium. >> That's cool, >> you know. Yeah, we that's very cool. >> And we're not. >> San Diego is a tough place for. jiu-jitsu, dog. >> [ __ ] Yeah. >> You got [ __ ] Jaco's place down there. Barrett Yoshida's down there. How many.

people isn't was Hiler had a school down. there? >> Still in San Diego. Still in San Diego. Uh he actually gave the guy who was the. purple belt who threw me on my head that. I was talking about earlier. He got his. black belt from Hiler. >> Um Otto is there. >> Oh yeah, that's right. That's right. What a hot bed of jiu-jitsu. >> Yeah, it's like little [ __ ] Brazil. >> Isn't that funny? Like California, especially like during the UFC's growing. period, became one of the biggest hot. beds of jiu-jitsu in the world. >> Yeah, they all went there. They all went. there cuz they could surf.

>> Yeah, you could surf it like probably. like climate wise fairly similar. >> Fairly similar. And then a ton of. population to draw from to get students. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Especially in that LA area where. it's like people were already kind of. like into Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris and. [ __ ]. >> right? And then. >> Yeah. >> You know, you see Hoist just [ __ ]. freak everybody out. >> Mhm. >> We I mean I watched all those early. fights as a kid. And I had a friend's. dad who like would always [ __ ] get. the pay-per-view. >> That's another thing about Austin. We.

have so many jiu-jitsu gyms here now. >> You know, Gordon has his place now. B. team has their place. You've got Gracie. Baja's here. You got uh Shanji Rivero's. here. You Everybody's here. There's like. so many different gyms here. There's. multiple Tenth Planets here. >> You know, there's there's uh Gabe just. opened up a Tenth Planet in Bassrop. There's a tenth planet right down in in. this area. There's a a tenth planet. There's like three or four tenth.

planets. >> Yeah. >> I think there's at least three. >> and they're all packed, right? >> Packed. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's beautiful. >> It's like there's so many people that. are interested in it because, >> you know, it really does work. It really. helps you. And not just works like as a. martial art to learn how to defend. yourself. It's a like vehicle for. understanding yourself better. It helps. you in everything you do as long as you. just do it smart and don't get hurt. >> Exactly. That's like me trying to get up. when I [ __ ] my neck was pinched. Like. that was jiu-jitsu. >> Yeah. >> Like I use it in so many aspects of my.

life. >> Like it's such a such a beautiful weird. little sport. >> Yes, sir. >> Lifestyle. >> Mike Maxwell, I'm glad you came in. Glad. to have you on, my brother. Uh tell. everybody where they could find you. online. >> Uh mike maxwellart.com and all the. social medias are at mikemaxwellart. Um, my gallery in Santa Monica's BG Gallery. and I got a gallery out in um, New. Orleans, Mortal Machine. You can find my. stuff out there. >> And is it all on Mike Maxwell Art? You. can find all. >> Yeah, you can find all that stuff. Beautiful. All right, brother. Thank.

you. Appreciate you, >> my man. All right. Bye, everybody. [Music].