Joe Rogan Experience #2358 - Chadd Wright

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> Yeah, I do too, man. I chewed tobacco. pretty much since I was about 13 years. old. But, you know, as you get older, you start to try to optimize everything. because uh the world tells you. everything's gonna kill you.

>> Is chewing tobacco gonna kill you? >> Well, you know, >> I've heard people getting mouth cancer. >> Yeah, that's the main thing is mouth. cancer. And it is mouth cancer is a. pretty nasty form. All forms of cancer. are pretty nasty, but mouth cancer can. really screw you up. And I think it's. the uh the you know like the chemicals. that they spray on the tobacco when. they're growing the tobacco. So I don't know maybe if you grew. tobacco organically and then you chewed.

it. wouldn't give you mouth cancer. >> Probably makes sense. >> I I don't know. >> Well I was just reading something that. 100% of California wines that they. tested had glyphosate on them. 100%. Yeah, I believe it. Which is just nuts, >> you know. Yeah, that stuff is. everywhere. I mean, it's not it's never. going to go anywhere because, you know, when I was in the Navy, I lived in. Virginia and we moved out to a rural. community and um they grew corn and.

soybeans primarily in the fields and. nothing else would grow in that dirt. Like you could walk the rows of those. crops, you know, and there would not be. a single weed growing in the field. nothing would grow except for the. genetically. modified. seed or whatever they put out there. You. know what I mean? And how long does that. stay in the soil? Like does that ever. come? Can you ever get that out of the. dirt so that other things.

>> could or would actually thrive there. again? I guess after many many years you. could. >> Yeah, it's many many years. I had Will. Harris from He's from Georgia. White. Oaks Pastures. You ever heard of that. guy? I I actually listened to that. episode that you did with him, man, because I've ordered a a pile of meat. from them. >> He's great. >> He is. That was a great episode. >> And it's a great episode to educate. people on like how much time it takes to. take a an industrial farm and convert it. to regenerative agriculture. It's not.

easy. >> It's a long grind, super costly, not. nearly as profitable. And you know, he. did it over a course of 20 years. And we. have two uh jars of soil out there that. he gave us. And one of them is a soil. from his neighbor's farm, which is an. industrial farm. And the other one is. his. And his is like a dark brown, rich, alive soil. >> And the one from his neighbor's farm is. just pale and dead. And they have to. spray [ __ ] all over it and use. industrial fertilizer. And.

>> I mean, >> yeah, it's ugly, man. Um, and then it's. gotten so far that like to turn it. around and try to feed all the people. that we have established here in this. country in places where nobody's growing. food, it's like it's almost impossible. It's almost like they're stuck with this. system of industrialized farming. >> Yeah. I mean, yeah, there there's uh. it's it's being here in Austin, you. know, I don't go to the city much. I. live on 700 acres in the foothills of. the Appalachian Mountains. And uh. >> I come here to the city and you know,

you see the result of packing so many. human beings into one area. >> Yeah. How you going to feed them people. other than other than the way that we. figured out how to do it? I mean, how. you going to feed them, >> right? >> I don't know, man. Walking around the. city, man, it's just. >> coming from where I live and and don't. take this as negative. I mean, people. love cities. There's cool stuff in. cities, right? Like people get a lot. But me, when I come from where I live, you know, I I dude, where I I'm in the.

woods every day for hours and hours. I. don't go to town hardly ever. I'm a. squirrel hunter. I have a little. mountain curr and, you know, we go out. and squirrel hunt for hours every day. And but coming to the city, it's like. the air burns my nose. It's like I've. been coughing all day today. >> You really notice it? >> I notice I can smell it. It It smells. Now we're staying right in downtown. The. smell reminds me slightly of Legagos,

Nigeria, which it's 100x in Lagos. It's. It literally burns your eyes and your. nose to breathe the air there. But even. in Austin, I can kind of smell this. sour, you know, and then I'm looking at. these poor people, man. Like these. people lay laying on these park benches. and all this stuff. And I'm like, >> it just m it makes you think. It makes. you wonder the h human's propensity to. to stoop lower than an animal. Like we.

have the propensity as human to stoop. lower than an animal. >> in the worst case scenarios. >> In the worst case scenarios. Yeah. I. mean I understand there's so much that. goes along with the story. >> that those all the all of those people. have. And it was funny. I saw a lady. sitting on the the edge of the sidewalk. today. She was smoking crack or. something. And uh now my wife's in. recovery. And I said, "It's it's just.

mindboggling to me, me being a man of. the country, to see the human's. propensity to stoop that low." And she. looked at me, she said, "Well, I've done. it.". >> I said, "That's good, man. My woman is. so good, brother.". >> She came out of it. >> She She came out of it, right? Yeah, >> I mean by the grace of God. But. >> um. >> Well, I'm glad you didn't come visit us. in LA. I would have showed you some real. [ __ ] This is nothing. >> I went to LA one time to with my buddy.

Jesse. He took me out there when all. this stuff started. I got out of the. Navy. He said, "Chad," he said, "Uh, he. he asked me to come coach him, teach him. how to run a long ways." I said, "All. right, I'll come out there." And me and. Jesse became fast friends. He said, "I'm. going to take you out here to LA." He. said, 'I'm going to take you on a few of. these interviews with these people. He. said, 'But I want you to realize that if. you decide to do this, your life will. never be the same. And I said, "All right, let's go.".

>> You mean like do a podcast? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we do. >> He's an interesting guy. >> He's one of my He's one of my biggest. mentors. He's one of He's a close. friend. >> I I like that dude a lot. I had him on. Enjoyed talking to him. >> Yeah, I love him to death, man. But he. uh yeah, he took me out there and and LA. was uh yeah, it it put me back really. the some of the places that we went were. very similar to some of the areas that. we deployed to just in the smell and the. sights and you know the way people were. living. It was wild, man.

>> Yeah, it's a chaotic environment and you. get used to anything and people that. live there get used to it. They don't. know what real peace is like. You know, like when I would tell people why I like. mountain hunting, I'd be like, man, it's. like a vitamin that you didn't know you. needed. You get out in there in the. mountains and you smell that clean air. and you just feel it just your whole. body just goes, this is this is so much better. This is. so much better to live like this. >> It is. >> I just don't get a chance to do it that. often. You know, I don't live in it like.

you do. Living in it is the ultimate. You know, if you could live in it and. then go visit other places, that's way. better to live in nature. >> The noise, too. The the the noise. I. don't think that people who live in the. city, >> they've become acclimated. >> to all of the constant noise. >> Yeah. >> It's never quiet. >> But when I enter into that environment, like that noise is doing it does. something to me. like the traffic and. the the constant humming and.

>> it just I I I feel like I'm I I begin to. hold this tension within me. >> Yeah. >> I don't know what it's doing to me. I. don't know, man. >> Sensory overload. Yeah. >> But I guess you can become accustomed to. it. >> Well, people in New York City have to. become accustomed to it and they. actually like it. They like that feeling. of sensory overload. But everybody that. I know that likes that is fairly. unhealthy. I don't know any like real. fit, healthy, active people that really. enjoy that environment. >> So why why do you.

why why I understand you love what you. do, >> but I mean you could build a studio. somewhere out in a out in a mountain. somewhere like probably do that. We're. going to probably build a studio on a. ranch next. That's the that's the next. move. I want to have like a tactical. course out there, bass fishing lake and. >> have it set up and do fun [ __ ] with. guests, too. cuz people are going to. come see you, man. That's what I think. >> It's un I mean, what you've done, man, is is so cool. I tell people all the.

time, if you ever have the opportunity. to go and see someone who is the best in. the world at what they do, take that. opportunity. whether it's a a runner, a. fighter, a kayaker, or a podcaster. Like, it's so cool to be. here and to get to witness what you do, how you do it, the level that you go to. to make all this happen. You're the best. in the world. Like, that's it. That's so.

cool for me, man. Like if we don't talk. here but for 30 minutes, I got to see. the best in the world do what he does. And how cool is that, man? >> Oh, thank you. >> And like the hospitality that you have, you know, given me since I've been here, it's just next level. And that's what. you see when you get to witness the best. in the world do whatever it is they are. the best at. You just get to see this. whole another level of uh of.

proficiency, of skill, of technique, of. mastery, and that opens up your mind. >> into like what's possible. >> Yeah. This I mean, you can go back and. watch the beginning episodes of this. It. was terrible in the early days. >> Well, I'm a podcaster, too, man. I mean, >> I know you are. I watch your show all. the time. >> I've got like 400 and something episodes. out and and same here. when I first. started. Uh, yeah, it was awful. But. it's so much fun. I love it. I love it. >> I think I found your show because of a.

video that you did on your Land Cruiser, cuz I'm a Land Cruiser nut. >> Yeah. >> And you were talking about like have a. truck that will [ __ ] like no matter. what will work. Like if if they throw. EMP pulses in the air and kill all the. electronics, which is people don't. understand like every car everyone is. driving has a [ __ ] computer in it. And if something goes on, there's some. sort of a power grid failure or some. sort of a a solar flare that knocks out. electronics, it could knock out your.

[ __ ] car. You have a brick now. It's. not going to work. If you don't have a. carburetor and you have a car, like a regular old school car. Yeah. >> It's not going to, you know, Tucker. Carlson, he drives like a 1978. pickup truck. And I go, "Why do you. drive that?" He goes, "Cuz they can't. shut it off. The government can't get. this. got no GPS, got no He's He's super. [ __ ] paranoid. >> Well, the the newest vehicle that I. have, and yes, Land Cruisers are my. favorite. I become close friends with.

Daniel at TLC 4x4, and he's done two for. me, a 100 series and a 60 series. >> And they did mine, too, when they were. in LA. >> Yeah, man. They're just awesome. And uh. and like I said, my favorite part about. driving the Land Cruiser is that it. makes people smile. I I'm not a very. funny guy, you know, so there's not many. I don't get many opportunities to make. human beings smile, but I can drive this. Land Cruiser and people look at it and. point at it and they're smiling and like. that just that's cool to me. You know. what I mean? >> Especially 60 series. I think there.

there's like a a cool core group of. people who love those things. >> They Yeah. And. >> I slow down when I see one. I slow down. I check it out. >> Yeah. But the newest vehicle that I. have, and I'm a car guy, uh, now I was. poor most of my life. I'm still fairly. poor, but you know, I got enough money I. can buy the cars that I want now. And. the newest car that I have is a 1997. uh Dodge diesel truck. I have two 97. I. have a OBS Ford. It's a 97 with the.

Powerstroke diesel. I have a 97 Dodge. Ram with the Cumins diesel because those. are the two best diesel engines. undisputedly that have ever been. produced. Um, I have the 100 series Land. Cruiser. Actually, the 100 series is a. 98, but I kind of gave that to my. brother, so I can't count that. The 60. series is a 84. I have an 86 Toyota they. call pickup. It's a Hilux. >> Mhm.

I don't know if I'm missing something, but I love I love old cars, man. >> Those old Toyotas are bulletproof. They. never break. >> That's my squirrel hunting truck. >> Yeah, >> it'll go anywhere. >> You know, why am I going to go spend. $30,000 on a side by side? I I can get. in this Toyota truck and I can go. anywhere you can go in a in a uh side by. side. >> That's true. >> That's my squirrel hunting truck, man. >> So, is squirrel hunting the most hunting. that you do? >> I love it pro. It's I do it every day. that I'm at home. I squirrel hunt every.

day. >> How much squirrel do you eat? >> Well, I eat squirrel on special occasions. Uh. I give away a lot of squirrel meat. You. know, I'm blessed enough in life now. that I can eat ribeye steak. Um I give. away a lot of squirrel. I don't kill all. the squirrels that we tree either. Uh. really. since a young age I I was introduced to. hunting with dogs, tree dogs.

specifically. And it there was something about a tree. dog that just stirred. this this passion within me. It is the. single it is the only thing that has. stuck with me from childhood, young childhood. the first tree dog I. ever walked to. I mean, I was I didn't. even know I I should probably shouldn't. even have been in the woods, but I. followed my uncle to a coonhound tree. down in a swamp. And it just even at.

that age, it just stirred something in. me like this is some sort of primal. instinct. of partnering with this dog in this. chase. And uh I've done it even up until now. And um it's just uh it's a unique. experience, man. And the great thing. about dogs, hunting dogs, too, is um the. breeding aspect of it. That's a lot of.

fun. So, not only are do you have your. best friend, you know, my little. mountain curr, her name's Wendy. She. stays in the house. She's my best. friend. We hunt every day together. But. but now I get to breed her. I get to. select a mate. And over the course, I'm. hoping over the course of the next 30. years or so, I can breed in these. specific characteristics. of this type of dog that I value. And so.

that's fun. You know, not only is the. hunting fun, but the breeding is fun, the training is fun, everything about is. fun. And you take a group of guys out. squirrel hunting, man, and it's a blast. because you don't have to be quiet. Look, man. You just You're out there in. the woods on four-wheelers. Everybody's. got shotguns, you know. You get to the. tree. Here's this dog just hammering a. tree on this tree. Everybody surrounds the tree and that. squirrel gets nervous and he starts. timbering out going tree to tree and you.

got five or six guys with shotguns. blasting away and everybody's cutting up. and laughing. I mean, it's just a blast, dude. But that's my thing, you know? >> That's a funny thing. >> I like the I like the white. I like to. hunt whitetails. I like I get to go on. my first elk hunt this year. >> Oh, wow. Where you going? >> There's a there's a a a family out in. Utah. Uh they they own some ranch out there. I. think it's called R5 Ranch. And they. wanted to put a hunt on for a veteran.

So, they partnered with an outfitter. called G3 Outfitters. and they bought a. tag and for some odd reason they. selected me as their veteran that they. want to take out on an elk hunt. Now, I've always wanted to elk hunt, man. I've just, you know, I've just never. made it happen. There's a lot that goes. into it, as you know. >> Yeah. >> And so, they're taking me to New Mexico. They bought a some tag from a landowner. and uh they're going to take me out.

there elk hunting. >> That's a great spot. New Mexico is a. great spot for elk. He sent me some. pictures of some of these bulls. >> Yeah. >> I said, "What an animal.". >> Yeah. New Mexico's got some crazy. genetics, too. There's uh there's two. there's there's a guy who explained this. to me that there's really two different. besides like Tuli elk and Roosevelt elk. There's Rocky Mountain elk and then. there's Yellowstone elk. And the. Yellowstone elk are an older breed that. has a larger antlers, a bigger animal.

And you find a lot of those in uh. Arizona and you find a lot of those in. New Mexico. >> So where we're hunting at is right it it. is on the border of Arizona and New. Mexico. >> Yeah. So I bet you have great genetics. out there. >> You know what, man? I can't believe it. >> I I can't believe this is the first my. going to be my first elk hunt. >> Are you rifle or bow hunt? >> It's going to be rifle. Now Now I'm a. big I'm a big archery guy, too. Um, when. I hunt whitetails, when I started.

hunting whitetails, that was what I did. was bow hunt and still bow hunt quite a. bit. But, uh, but this is a rifle hunt. >> I love ri bow hunting. Rifle hunting is. great. It's most effective, most. efficient way to hunt. But there's. something about. >> having to get inside, you know, 70, 80. yards, sneaking up, executing a perfect. shot. >> Now, you're a Hoy guy, too, right? Yeah, I have been too all my life. >> They make amazing bows.

>> My wa my wife a couple years ago bought. me that. >> RX7. >> Yeah, >> with the carbon uh carbon fiber riser. >> I always wanted a bow with a carbon. riser because I remember hunting so many. hunts in the southeast, whitetail hunts, walking into the stand and your hand. just getting so cold, >> right? >> Carrying that bow around. >> Yeah, that's the difference. Carbon. doesn't get cold like that like like. aluminum does. Yeah, that's the main. reason I wanted one, but it's been a. great bow. >> This episode is brought to you by.

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they make those things. It's so. incredible. It's all these like super. sophisticated computers and machines and. CNC machines. They're cutting the. aluminum and you know, they have like so. many different steps to make sure that. quality control is perfect. And. >> yeah, >> you know, at the end when you get it, you really appreciate it. And they're so. smooth now. Like I've been bow hunting. for 12 years now. 13 years. 13 years. And just the difference in 13 years is. crazy. Like if I go back and pick up one.

of my old bows, it just feels archaic. >> Y. >> they're so smooth now. The draw cycle so. smooth and they're so dead in the hand. when you fire them. >> And those parallel limbs and they're so. short and compact. You know, the old. bows we used to shoot back in the day, the the old Vipertex and all that from. Hoy and Matthews had the old SQ2s and. Q2s and they were just long and. >> and uh unwieldy in the in the stand and. you know, you know, you can make, like.

you said, 100 yard shots now with a. compound bow. >> Back then, >> I mean, there wasn't nobody shooting. them bows at 100 yards. No, >> cuz they just weren't tuned, I think, so finely as the bows that we. have today. I mean, that RX7, man, every. time I shoot that bow, it it amazes me. at how that arrow is just flies like a. laser beam. >> Mhm. >> I'm like, good night, man. >> Yeah. >> It's a cool Have you ever shot a stick. bow?

>> Yes. >> Okay. >> I'm not good at it, though. I I shot it. on vacation once. I was shocked at how. bad I was cuz I'm so good with a. compound bomb trying to figure out where. to aim where it goes and do all this. [ __ ] and how to let loose, right? >> It's uh I have a buddy who hunts. exclusively. My buddy um uh Ryan. Callahan, he hunts exclusively with a. homemade bow. He's got a like a long bow. that he made. >> I don't know if he made this one. I know. he's made them before, but you know, it's those real simple bows. I'm like,

why? You can't even get much energy out. of that thing. But it's the extra. challenge. >> You got to get real close. >> You got to get real close and be real. accurate. >> Yeah. I went I took mine on a mu deer. hunt up in uh the Wasatch Range in Utah. two years ago. And Yeah. I mean, you you. got to get within. 7 to 10 yards of that animal with a with. a long bow. >> Yeah. >> I mean, I do I do anyways. You know, Fred Bear might he might could have made. a 20 or 30 yard shot, but you know, you.

got to get you got to get right in their. laps. And we were. >> I was on public land. It was a. wilderness area. That's where I like to. hunt. I mean, I like wilderness areas. Uh that's the highest designation of. preservation that Congress can award to. a piece of land. So, if you're in a. wilderness area, you know, there's no. going to be no horses, no mechanized. tools, nobody's going to be clearing. trails with a chainsaw up there. If you. ever want to go in in the back country, find a wilderness area, not a national.

park, not a national forest, find a. wilderness area. But we were watching. these mu deer and you know I'd watch. them in the morning they'd get up and. feed when they I'd wait for them to go. lay down and then you had to move on. that mu deer and use the terrain put the. terrain between you and him. and they'd be bedded down and you could. get with I the closest I got to one was. about five yards and he was beded down.

under a tree just kind of out in this. big old rock. I was way up in the. mountains, big old rocky area. Well, I. stalked all the way up there to him and. I got about 5 yards from where I last. seen where I saw him bed down at. You. know, I lost sight of him when I started. to stalk and uh I got impatient and I. got there and I was laid down up against. the rock and that tree was right there. and I thought, you know, it took me. about an hour to stalk over here. I. said, uh, I wonder if he got up and. moved. And I peaked my head up over that.

rock and that big son of a gun was just. looking right at me. I'm talking about. eye to eye, five yards. He jumped up and. tore out of there. That was the closest. I got to killing one. But if I would. have just laid there with that long bow. and been patient and waited for him to. stand up off his bed. >> Yeah, >> I could have drew and shot him right. there. >> Well, he's probably already alert. He. probably heard you. >> I don't know if he heard me or not. You. know, we. >> I had the wind. I had the wind. Uh.

>> their ears are so good. >> I had shoes on, but you know, I'm. stalking across big big granite, you. know, rock slabs and stuff, so it was. pretty quiet. I mean, there was no. indication when I picked my head up, he. was still laying there on bed. There was. no indication that he knew I was there. other than when he saw me peek my head. over the rock and stand up and tear out. of there. You know, >> they're the most difficult to hunt. because they're just dealing with. mountain lions all day long. >> Mhm. >> And they're just always like.

>> and they they'll jump the string quicker. than any animal. >> other than like the craziest ones are. axis deer. Have you ever hunted axis. deer? >> I haven't. No. >> Axis deer evolved with tigers. >> So they're they move so fast. I I had a. video of an axis deer that I shot at at. 70 plus yards and with a lighted knock. and you see the arrow la 290 ft a. second. You see this arrow launching. towards this deer and this deer is. feeding in the field totally broadside.

He hears the arrow within 10 yards. Ducks down, hauls out and he's gone by. the arrow got by the time the arrow got. him. >> He hears the arrow in flight. >> Exactly. He had no idea we were very far. away. That's why I took the shot. It's. one of the things with those animals. like you're sometimes better off taking. a long shot than a close shot because. they hear that bow go off and they just. duck and go. I mean, they're not trying. to duck under your arrow. What they're. trying to do is load up their weapons or.

load up their legs rather. Get super low. so they can launch themselves forward. and gone. They're just trying to take. off as quickly as possible. And that. means dropping down and when they drop. down, arrows go right over them. But. this one was so fast within 10 yards. He. was nowhere near the arrow. His ass was. over here. The the the the vitals where. I aimed for was right here. He was. already over there. He was 2 feet away. from it. And he didn't start moving. until that arrow was 10 yards away from. it. >> Where was that at? >> That was in Hawaii.

>> Hawaii. Okay. >> Lai is a crazy place cuz Lai has no. predators and it's a small island. It. only has 3,000 people living on it, but. it has 30,000 deer plus. >> So, they want you to kill them. >> They want you to kill them. Kill them as. many as you can. They have people that. are snipers that go out there at night. And. >> everybody on the island eats good. because it's the best meat. Axis deer is. delicious. If you've ever had it, it's. right up there with elk. It's fantastic. meat. And they're just completely. overpop populated. So, they have to do.

it. So, people hunt them there 365 days. a year. So, high pressure. So they're. used to like they're always with with. their head on a swivel, always looking. around for a hunter. >> That would be a fun hunt. That would. tune you up. >> Oh, it it's great before elk season. >> That would tune you up. >> because you'll get if you blow a stock, you get another stock in 10 seconds. Like you're on another animal and you're. in these fields that used to be where uh. the dole plant grew pineapples. So it's. it's kind of a weird ground. Like I.

guess the way they would farm. pineapples, they would put like a layer. of plastic down and then the soil would. be above the plastic. So everywhere you. go, it's weird. You see like almost like. garbage bag plastic underneath the dirt. all over the place. >> I'll be darn. >> And these animals are you you'll like. you'll sit on the top of a hill and look. down on a field and you might see 600. axis deer wandering around this field. >> Good night. >> Yeah, it's it's crazy. It's crazy. It's. it's so unnatural.

But. >> is that are they are they're not native? >> No. Okay. They were given to King. Kamehameha by I think the king of India, whatever the ruler of India was in the. 1800s and they gave and they've had them. on this island forever. >> and they're just completely overpop. populated. >> Yeah. >> They're all like all over the place and. big ones too. >> That'd be a fun hunt. >> Oh, it's a great hunt. It's a great if. if you have a rifle. It's a no-brainer. It's like you're 100% gonna get a deer.

But if you got a bow, I mean, I went out. there with Cam Haynes and Remy Warren. and Adam Greenree and all these just. like bonafide killers who like. worldclass hunters. >> Cam's the best in the world, man. >> The best in the world. And we and John. Dudley was there too. We went out there. and we were there for like six or seven. days and everyone was successful. And. then we made a podcast about it. Blew up. the outfitters. A great place to go. hunt. You stay at the Four Seasons, incredible food, amazing amen amenities,

beautiful, beautiful resort, and then. you get to go and hunt in this. incredible place. But after we left, he. said they had 150 people come within the. that season from from then until the. time we went back the next year, one guy. was successful with a bow. >> One. night, man. >> And you get so many opportunities, but. they're so fast. And if you. >> bad odds, >> bad odds. Yeah. Well, you have here's. the deal. Don't try the morning. I used. I've hunted in the morning and I've been.

successful, but it's too [ __ ] quiet. You really want to go in the afternoon. because in the afternoon you get a lot. of wind. >> Yeah. >> And you know, you just got to pick your. spots and play your stalks correctly. >> Have you turkey hunted? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Eastern or or what? >> California. It was in California. >> Okay. It was in there Mariams or. >> probably it was in the uh the wine. country up there. I went up there with. Steve Vanilla. >> Okay. >> He took me to county. It was fun. >> You know, his buddy's a big squirrel.

hunter. Steve's buddy's a big squirrel. hunter. >> What's that guylay? Clay Nukem. Yeah. He's got a bunch of feist dogs. He I. think he hunts off of mules. >> Yes. >> I tell you what we ought to do. We ought. to set up a big squirrel hunt with. everybody. with me, me and you and Clay. and Cam and and we'll just we ought to. set up a big squirrel hunt one. >> I do. I've had squirrel once with. Vanilla. He cooked some squirrel up for. us. It was good. >> Boy, if we could get him to come in and. cook, too, that would be outstanding. >> It would be. >> cuz I have a hard time making this wild.

game taste taste worth a flip. You know, I'm just not a good cook, man. >> I noticed that. I was going to talk to. you about your steak cooking. We got to. work on that. >> Yeah. I'm I'm just not much of a cook, man. I want you to cook a steak on a. Traeger. And I was like, listen, the way. to cook a steak on a Traeger is you can. cook a steak on a Trager. Like, you. could cook like if you have a roast, like you can cook a good roast on a. Trager, but the reality is you need to. be able to sear it. And so, you can't. really sear things on a Trager. And I I. saw what you did. You try to turn the. temperature up real high and then cook.

it at the end. The key is get it on a. frying pan. Like, get it low and slow on. the Trager. I like 225° with the super. smoke. Get it nice and smoky. >> Mhm. >> Get it up to 120° and then cast iron. skillet. Get that [ __ ] hot. Put. some beef tallow in there. It's like 90. seconds on each side. >> Seals it up. >> Perfect. >> Now, do you do most of your own cooking? >> Yeah, I do almost all my own cooking. Yeah, I cook a lot. >> Does your wife cook? >> Yeah, she cooks, too. >> Yeah, my my wife cooks. I'm so blessed.

that that she cooks cuz I've got a long. ways to go. I actually made a a goal of. mine I've been working on. and I I cook. for her one night a week. >> and uh it's worked out a few times, but. I'm learning. I appreciate that tip on. the steak though. >> Yeah, the tip on the steak. It's reverse. sear is what it's called. And uh I. learned that uh from whiskey bent, my. friend Chad, whiskey bent barbecue, and. he said if you really want to cook a. steak correctly, he goes you want it to. be slowly cooked and then sear the.

outside. A lot of people try to sear it. first. He's like, I don't agree with. that. You know, I think the way to get. it the juiciest steak is to slow cook it. and then sear it at the end. The reverse. sear method. >> Well, I'm going to try that when I get. to the house. >> Is the move. >> My c my cousin raises all the cows we. eat. >> Oh, that's. >> my mama makes all the bread we eat. >> My wife grows all the the vegetables. that we eat. I'm I'm going seasonally. You know what I mean? Seasonally. Uh my. cousin raises all the cows. You know, we.

get our water right out of the ground. And I take buckets of water once a week, go collect water. Comes right out of a a. a spring, some old rednecks. Found a. spring back in there and ran a PVC pipe. out of it, you know, and so we just go. there and collect all our. >> You're totally off the grid. >> Well, you know, we'll we'll order some. stuff from the grocery store, you know, just it it would. >> But your home is totally off. wouldn't. be hard at all to to ramp things up to. the point that we were 100%.

eating what we could produce as a family. unit. >> No, no one person like no one person is. going to produce everything that they. need for them and their family to eat. Like it it's my cousin, he raises cows, you know, so we know where they're. coming from. We know how they're living. We know what they're being fed. Like I. said, my mama makes bread. My wife can. grow anything. Uh, it's an effort. You. know, I hunt. I can bring in wild game.

meat at any time. Everybody thinks about. when the apocalypse comes, you know, you. think you're going to be eating all. these deer and elk and stuff. You're. going to be eating squirrel, buddy. Squirrel and birds, maybe a possum every. now and then. Them deer's going to be. gone quick, >> probably. you know, small game, a small. if if you want to really subsistence, you know, get your meat from the wild, you got to be able to hunt small game. Squirrels, rabbits, [ __ ] possum, you.

got to be able to hunt them. >> You know, you go out and try to hunt a. [ __ ] without a dog. >> You ain't going to kill no [ __ ] right? >> You know, I can take a good dog out and. kill 10 coons in an hour if I'm. >> What does raccoon taste like? >> Raccoon's pretty greasy. You gota again. you got to cook it right. You know so. much wild game other than elk. I found. elk. >> seems to be really really good even if. you're not a skilled cook. >> Yeah. >> You know to me anyways it's the best.

wild game meat I've ever ate. But like. these squirrels coons uh things like. small game even rabbit. >> they can get real tough you know that. you can. >> Is that raccoon J? >> Yeah that's [ __ ] right there. You cook. it in a crock pot. A lot of this small. game you you uh slow cook it, you know, and that kind of helps keep it moist and. and break it down. >> Yeah. >> But anyways, man, I'm all over the darn. place. >> And you probably have to cook it to a.

high temperature, too. Raccoons probably. get tickinosis, right? >> I don't know if a [ __ ] does or not. I've. killed a bunch of bears, and I know they. do. >> They do. >> Yeah. That's the one thing I didn't like. about bear. >> Yeah, me too. It It makes me. uncomfortable. I killed I've killed two. black bears. Both of them with my bow. Uh both of them about 500 lb. >> And uh. >> those are big black bears. >> They are big big black bears. >> Are these Georgia black bears? >> No, these are Virginia. There's a place. in Virginia called the Great Dismal. Swamp. It's a about 110,000 acre.

continuous block of land. That's what's. left of it. It's eat up with bears. I. mean, I would take my [ __ ] dog down the. down the the the swamp bottom. We called. it the run. And uh during springtime. when them bears were out with cubs, I. couldn't even hardly run my [ __ ] dog up. and down through there. There was so. many bears in there. And them s would. get they would get, you know, mad at us. for being in there and start popping. their teeth and making racket. I took a.

young man with me down in there one. time. First time he ever been [ __ ]. hunting. I was hunting a dog called a. leopard curr. And I cut that dog loose. in there and he went down in there. Oh, boom. slam treed. I thought, "All right, this is good." Cuz [ __ ] hunting can be. rough. We walked down in there and I had. this man, this young guy with me. He had. the rifle. We got up to the tree and I. walk up to that dog and leash it up. And. I'm fooling with the dog getting it. leashed back on the tree there. And he. said, "What is that?".

I said, "What are you talking about?" He. said, "Stop and listen." And I stopped. and that dog quit barking for a second. And all of a sudden, I could hear bark. raining down on the leaves above my head. because it was summertime. About that. time, about a 300lb black bear comes. sliding down out of that tree like it. was on a fireman's pole. Landed. I'm. talking about that joker landed right in. the midst of me, him, and the dog. And. he's standing there. He's just frozen. cuz he never been [ __ ] hunting before.

He's got the gun. He's just frozen. And. about the time that bear hit the ground, I snapped the leash off of that dog cuz. the dog was my only chance to run this. bear out of our vicinity. And those. these curr dogs are real gritty. They. won't back up. They're I I mean, they. won't back up from nothing. They're like. a uh like a gamecock, man. And uh that. dog tore out after that bear, ran him. out. I looked over at that boy. I said, "What were you just going to You've got.

the gun. you just stood there and. didn't. He said, "Well, I thought that. happens all the time.". But that's how many bears was in this. area, man. So, I'd be out there. whitetail hunting, you know, and a big. old 500 lb boore bear would come up, you. know, I've had them climb the tree that. I was sitting in the treeand, but a big, you know, if a big one came by, it's. hard to it's hard not to shoot a big. trophy bear, especially with a bow. Um, so I've killed too, but when we.

killed them bear, I would just uh There. was a lot of poor real poor people that. lived around in there. Well, there was. one man named Zachariah. He was about a. 90 year old black man. He had one eye. He hunted year round because he had to. hunt to eat. We'd see him out in the. field deer hunting in the middle of the. summertime. Wouldn't nobody say nothing. to him because they knew he had to eat. But I'd call Zachariah when I'd kill. that bear. Well, then he would call all. of his people in the community and we'd.

take that bear down to the skinning shed. and within 10 minutes we'd have 50. people lined up at the skinning and shed. with grocery bags. And so we would cut. this bear up and process this bear and. these, you know, poor people, they'd. come down there and get them a big piece. of meat. Well, by the time everybody was. done, they wasn't maybe but one piece of. meat left. You know what I mean? Cuz I. don't like bear, but I sure do like. killing them. Have you ever had it. cooked? Well, done well.

>> We We've cooked some at the house, but I. haven't. I mean, I have that. That's. what I'm saying. I'm not a good cook, right? >> You just have to learn how to do it. My. friends John and Jen, they run an. outfitter in uh they're outfitters in. Alberta and they're bear hunters and. I've been bear hunting with them and. they take like a roast and they'll cook. it on a Trager. They brine it. They put. it in like they marinate it and it's. fantastic. It's like some of like better. than the best roast beef you've ever. had. >> Oh, I know. There's a way there's a way.

to make it taste good. >> It's all It's also in what they eat. You. know, if you get them and they've been. eating like a dead moose and you know, they've been feasting on that for a. couple weeks and then it's rotten and. they just they stink and it's not good. >> You want to get acorn bears. >> These bears we were killing they would. they the reason they were so big, they. were eating corn and soybeans. >> Yeah. Perfect. You know, they now they. need a pile of deer guts, too. I mean, >> yeah, they eat everything. >> I I would I would gut a deer out there, you know, if I killed a deer, I gut it.

in the woods. I don't gut them back at. the house. I just gut them in the woods. and you come back an hour later and they. wouldn't be not a not a speck of them. guts left. >> Crazy. >> I mean, they would eat the fire out of. them. Do you know that the early. pioneers preferred bear meat and they. used deer just for skins? >> No, I did not know that. >> Yeah. the like Daniel Boone and all. those fellas, they those guys they were. bear hunters. They wanted the fat. They. Yeah. They wanted the fat and they ate. bare meat because they thought it was. closer to beef.

>> Huh. >> Yeah. >> Well, it is closer to beef, I would say, than than deer. >> Yeah, I would say so. Especially And if. it's cooked well, it's delicious. It's. just you got to get a bear that's not. eating rotten meat and not eating fish. >> and and cook it right. But if you cook. it right, it's fantastic. It's really. good. Bear sausage is fantastic. It's. all just in how you get it prepared. Yeah. >> How you do it? Rinell is really good at. it. >> Well, see, I got to start running in the. right circles with people that can cook. >> Yeah, >> that's my problem. My friend Jesse who. owns this uh restaurant out here called.

Die Dway. What is Jesse's that uh he's. he runs a school that teaches people how. to shoot hogs, how to how to butcher. them, how to cook them, and you know he. he likes old ruddy old hogs and he. really knows how to do it correctly. So. this is it. Um. this is a new school of traditional. cookery. So Jesse will take people and. he'll take them out there, teach them.

how to hunt, teach them everything about. it, how to how to stalk an animal, how. to dress the game, how to cook it and. prepare it, and what the cuts you're. looking for. And he teaches classes on. this. >> How cool is that? >> It's amazing. I mean, it's a small class. because he wants to do it correctly, but. he's incredible. And that restaurant, if. you ever get a chance to go to a duet in. town, it's amazing. I'm going to go. ahead and tell you if you can make an. old boar hog taste good.

>> Yeah. >> You have got to be a master. >> He's a master. He also like cooked diver. ducks for us, which everybody says are. disgusting. >> And they were fantastic. And he's like, "It's all just in the preparation. He. marinated them. He slow cooked them on a. on a smoker. They were fantastic.". >> All that stuff just takes time, you. know? It just takes time. It's so much. easier just to just to cook a ribeye. >> Oh, yeah. >> You know what I That's the easiest. The. easiest is Yeah. >> It's just. >> There's something about wild game to me.

that's It's a different kind of food. It's It's It feels different when you. eat it. Has more energy to it. >> Yeah. >> It's like It's just so nutrientdense. You eat it and your whole body just goes. >> woo. You feel it, you know? Like you. cook a elk steak and you eat that medium. rare and you just biting into it and. it's juicy and I can't wait, man. Oh, I. hope I get one. I I think I got a good. chance of getting one. These boys are.

serious. >> Yeah. >> So, >> well, with a rifle, your chances are a. lot higher. And I know you're a real. good shot. So, you'll probably And a guy. like you also could shoot accurately at. a distance, which is huge. You have no. idea you're there. You know, you can I'm. sure you can make a 500 yard shot easy. And if your rifle's tuned correctly for. something like that, it's like you got a. pretty good shot. >> Have you been uh have you been up to the. Yukon territory at all? >> No. No, I haven't. >> I just got back. >> What were you doing up there?

>> It's been it's been, you know, it's been. quite the journey. both on the on the macro and the micro. level to wind up here at this table with. you. I I spent the last about the last. month sitting with a good friend of. mine, one of my biggest mentors in my. life. I s I'd sit with him for hours on. in while he was dying. Uh and um then I I I had to leave him. and I went out to the Yukon.

Sorry, man. Uh we need to talk more. about that, by the way. And uh I had I got a teammate that I. went through SEAL training and all with. He was paralyzed 14 years ago. And uh he wanted to go on an an. adventure. And I said, "Well, there's a. race out there. It's a thousand mile. kayaking race. It's the longest kayaking. race in the world on the Yukon River.

Totally unsupported.". He said, "All right." Well, it took he. prepared for about two years and uh we. went out there and did that on the Yukon. River. Wow. >> And then uh I came home and my my buddy. died the day I got home. And so uh it's been a man, it's been a. while last month or so. Have you ever. got to sit with anybody. >> while they're dying? >> Important to you? >> Not while they're dying. >> I highly recommend it. It will teach you.

so much, man, >> about what's important. >> It has made me grow. >> Like, I don't know, man. It just gives. me the dag on chills thinking about it. And the crazy thing is is the type of. person that I used to be, I would have. thought, you know, going and sitting. with someone who's dying is a waste of. time. Like, I got other things to do, right? You do, too. We got busy lives. Well, this man, he mentored me,

uh, hunting and everything, working, all. that. His name was Don Tidwell from the. time I was about 13 to the time I left. to go become a Navy Seal. Well, I did my whole Navy thing. I got. out. I reconnected with Dawn for a. while, but then I started this company. now that we have three of seven project. Got busy. I have a curse from my.

military service. It's it's I have this. unique ability to be able to forget you. ever existed. Uh when when I you know when you when I. get on some sort of mission and you're. not part of that anymore, I can forget. you ever existed. And so I lost touch. with him because of my own selfishness. and been doing this thing for the last. four or five years. Well, his wife.

called me and said, "Look, he just wants. to see you one more time. He's got. pancreatic cancer. He's got maybe two. weeks left. He just wants to see you one. more time.". Good night, man. took a lot of courage for me to go show. up in front of him and sit down with him. and say, "Mr. Dawn, I'm sorry I haven't been the friend to.

you that you deserve. Will you forgive. me?" He's laying there dying. He looks. back at me and says, "Son, there's. nothing to forgive.". I mean, just like and and then from that. point, I'd go sit with him twice a week. for eight or nine or 10 hours, just sit. right there by his bed. I'd read the. scriptures to him. He only had a third. grade education. We read about the gospel and we read.

about the resurrection and we read about. creation. And. you know, we don't The first thing that. you learn, I think, when you sit with. somebody that's dying is that death is. the great foe. that that sits above mankind and scoffs. at our wisdom. You get what I'm saying? He said that. death is this great foe. It is the enemy. that sits above us and mocks.

the wisdom of man. Uh, Mr. Don had built a a an basically. an empire within the within the. community he lived in. He had made. millions and millions of dollars as an. entrepreneur. Couldn't read or write, but um he still. had to succumb to this process that's. coming for all of us. Like. I don't know, man. That was like that. that just hit me. Like we think we want.

to look up at the sky and we want to. explain how the cosmos began and we. can't even solve our own biggest. problem. We can't solve our own biggest problem. which is death, right? It's the it's the. biggest problem for all of us. >> Yeah. >> We can't figure out how to solve it, how. to overcome it. Like we don't think. about this enough. Like.

have you ever thought. why. are you dying? Have you ever thought about that? >> Sure. >> Like like not like I get it. Like all of. us we understand death as you know we go. along through this life but and then. something happens. We get hit by a car, one of our organs fail, cancer happens, whatever and we say that killed us, right? And that thing did kill us. But. your entire life is leading you to that. point. Like why do you have to die? Like.

it's it's by necessity. you must die. Why? What's killing you? What what do you what's killing you? >> Well, age. Your body stops reproducing. correctly. Your cells don't reproduce. correctly anymore. >> So why does that happen then? What's. causing that? >> Every animal almost every animal on this. planet has a a timeline that it exists. in. It's probably. >> it's probably.

a natural function of keeping a balance. Like all of nature has a balance. >> And I mean, can imagine if mosquitoes. lived a thousand years, what a [ __ ]. pain in the ass that would be. No, they. get a couple, but you know, how long. does a mosquito live? A week. >> How long does a fly live? A week. Good. Because otherwise we'd be [ __ ] You. know, a deer, a good deer, a deer that's. like the best days of its life. It's. like 13 years, it's done. It's over. It's going to it's limping. It's going. to get torn apart by coyotes. Whatever.

gets it, everything has a time because. if it didn't, then there'd be too many. people. There'd be too many balance. The. balance would be all [ __ ] up. >> That's that's a great answer, man. The. thing is, there's a lot of scientists. that are working on that, a lot of. scientists that I've talked to that are. treating aging like a disease. So, instead of just accepting the fact like, oh, you're 50 now, things are slowing. down, like, well, why are they slowing. down? And what can we do to reverse. that? >> I love thinking along those lines, man. Like, yeah, I I love that.

>> At the very least, what it does is. improves your performance radically as. an older person. improves your physical. performance is what what was what people. would be capable of. >> naturally with no supplements 20 30. years ago it's a very different world. today very very very different. >> and with all the different modalities. all the different things you could do. like hyperbaric treatments NMN. supplementation red light therapy cold. plunge sauna all these different things. radically change the composition of your.

body and your overall metabolic health. radically changes it. And then with. hormone therapy and all the other. different things that you can do, I. mean, it's just a just because of. science and because of people figuring. these things out, it's it's a radically. different world than it was in the past. >> But is is there a solution? Like, is. there a fix. for death? Like, is anyone searching or. even contemplating that? >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. David. Sinclair is all over that. He's a guy.

from Harvard that we've had on the. podcast a few times. the that's his. primary study. They're they're treating. aging as a disease and trying to figure. out what different types of medication, what different types of therapies, what's the root cause of the cells aging. and not reproducing correctly. >> It's an ugly thing, man. >> Oh, it gets rough, especially if you. don't take care of yourself. Yeah. >> You know, that's the rough one when you. see people that have been drinking their. whole life and then they they they quit. at 75 and you're like it's a little.

late. You know, you you've been. torturing your body, forcing your body. to process poison for decades. >> Yeah. >> You know, and the and also just living. in cities alone, you were talking about. that smell that that weird smell that. you get in cities. That's [ __ ] brake. dust and tires and exhaust fumes. >> and doodoo. >> And doodoo. It's a little bit of doooo. Not bad here. Go to San Francisco. >> I found a turd on the side of the trail. today. A human turd.

>> It was a terrible log, too, man. >> Yeah, my wife took went back and took a. video of it. >> You might see it on YouTube in the next. couple of days. Okay. >> Uh. >> your visit to Austin. Um but yeah, man, just sitting with him makes makes me. contemplate these these things and and. and for me obviously because of uh my. worldview being shaped by scripture, it. makes me go to scripture and bounce. these questions off of the scriptures, you know, and and even.

it um. I I think it was powerful, too, because. you know, I'm sitting with a man who's. important to me who is bearing this. burden of death. And by the way, he bore. it well. It was amazing to me that I. could go and sit with him and he would. talk to me and take time to spend with. me even in the midst of this terrible. uh process that he was going through. I. told him, I said, "You could have just.

laid there on on this bed and not said a. word to anybody and nobody would have. blamed you. You know, it's scary. It's. it's you you're he couldn't sit still, you know, and and uh cuz he was in so. much pain. It's dag on cancer is rough, man. >> Pancreatic is about. >> Yeah, it's rough. But but then you know. he had these same questions that I'm. thinking like why does this have to. happen you know and then. for me then to have to go and search the. scriptures and then come to him with the.

scriptures and share the scriptures with. him to. you know give him some of the answers. that he had. You know it's like I would. read a scripture to him and he would say. because again Mr. Don had a a strong. faith in the message of what we call the. gospel. Uh but he didn't know all the other. stuff because he couldn't read. >> right.

>> So I would read a scripture to him and. and then he would say, "Read another. one. Read another one." And I was see it. was the it was the wildest thing, dude. I've never seen I've never seen anything. like it before. I've been I've been. following uh the Lord Jesus for uh 13. years now. I was reading these words off. of the page, not even explaining them to. him. I was just reading him these. scriptures and they were manifesting. like power in him. Like you could see I.

you you witnessed a change in his. expression. and his his attitude. It was like these. words. I'm reading are manifesting power and. hope. and. like literal energy. Like I would come. over and read the scriptures to him and. he would been in bed for the last four. days. Wouldn't get up for anybody. I'd. read the scriptures to him and then next.

thing you know we'd be out on the porch. like he'd get out of bed and we'd go. walk out on the porch. I'd have to help. him walk. Right. and his wife kept. saying, "You're the best thing for him. right now." I'm like, "No, you don't. understand. It's not my presence." For. somehow, I'm reading him from these. scriptures. And it's like manifesting. some sort of power and hope in him. And. it it like would give him energy in some. way. And um I I can't expl I've never. seen it happen like like I've never.

witnessed that before, you know? >> Well, it's probably even more profound. because he can't read. So, you're. reading it to him, >> dude. >> Right. >> Dude, it was wild, man. Like, and I. would read these scriptures to him, Joe, and uh he would say, "Yeah, I I. understand that now." And like we're. reading complex things like we're. reading about the resurrection, like the. the bodily resurrection of all the. saints at at at the the second coming of. Christ. And you know, he asked me one of.

the questions he asked me, "Has any has. anybody ever really explained to you. what happens when we leave here?" You. know, cuz he's wondering these things. like, "I'm about to I'm about to depart. this tent, buddy. What's about to happen?" And I'm like, "Well, the only answer I can give you, Mr. Don, has got to come from these. scriptures." And uh so, and I would read. these complex scriptures to him. 1. Corinthians chapter 15 and 2 Corinthians. chapter 5. And uh he would he would.

under like it would make sense to him in. his mind more than my mind could. comprehend the truth of what I was. reading. >> Like that was what was wild. It was like. >> at that stage in his life taking it in. >> This veil between this realm and the. next realm was getting thin and he was. taking in the truth of this word and. processing it logically at a level that. I can't process it because this veil for.

for us is still so thin unless you hit. that DMT, right? We talk about that. later. But uh but right and so I'm. witnessing it was wild dude. And and. two, like crazy things happen like when. I'd sit with him like every, you know, couple hours I'd get up and go check in. with his wife or something and and we. had a camera in in the room with him and. uh we could watch what he was doing. And.

when I would walk out of the room, you. give it a few minutes and you would see. him start to look above him and he was. he would be reaching. like this for stuff above him and like. we didn't know what he was doing. We never even asked him. I wish I would. have asked him like, "Mr. Don, what are. you seeing? Like what are you reaching. for?" Well, then back when I would come. back in the room with him, he would stop. doing it. Um and then toward the end there he had.

a stroke. He was paralyzed. One his. whole left side of his body was. paralyzed and so he was just you know he. couldn't sit up or do anything. Uh and. then finally. at the very end when he passed away, he literally sits up out of he sits up. erect in his out of his hospital bed, reaches both of his hands straight up.

like this, and then lays back down and departs the. tent. >> Whoa. So, I started researching this. What What the crap is going on here? >> Kind of wish you asked him what he was. reaching for. >> You You watch there are you the I found. this hospice nurse on uh Instagram. I. don't remember her name, but she's she's. like posting all these videos of people. doing this exact thing. They're and.

they're reaching for stuff and and she's. a hospice nurse. >> Did you save it? Do you have it on your. phone? I I don't I don't have it. Uh I. don't remember. It's a She's got a lot. of following. She's got a big following. Just look up. >> Hospice nurse on Instagram or whatever. But she posts all these videos of these. people. >> Is this her? >> Oh, they're reaching. >> They're like calling out. I don't know. if that's not her, but this is another. one. That's not the one I watch.

>> Call it a death reach. >> It's a very common thing. And they're. calling out a lot of times the names of. loved ones that have passed before them. >> They're seeing something like the. they're seeing into the other realm. Oh, it's that lady on the far right over. there. That's the one I watch. She's a. little crazy, but I'm going to go ahead. and tell you, she puts out some wild. stuff, man. This is common stuff, man. >> What's her name? What's her name, Jamie? >> It says below. hospice nurse Penny.

>> weeks before their death. When they're. able to tell us what they're seeing, when they're able to tell us about these. visions, they're almost always above. them or up in the corner of the room. But sometimes as they get closer to the. end of life and they're no longer able. to communicate, we start seeing them. reach into the air. So, I'm convinced. that when they are reaching into the. air, they are reaching towards those. people who they love who have died. before them. that this woman's not a.

believer in uh as far as I know I I. don't think I don't know what her you. know what how her world view is is on in. terms of what happens after this but. she's just sitting here showing you. saying hey this happens. >> we can't figure out why. >> we can't figure out what's going on. obviously for me when I see that. happening when Mr. Don sits up in the. bed even though he's literally paralyzed. by a stroke.

He sits It's It's an impossibility. He. sits up in his bed and reaches both. hands in the air and then lays down and. departs the tent. What do I I have to believe that like. his transportation had arrived. >> You know what I mean? And to witness. that, how does that not like strengthen. >> Yeah. >> your you're you're witnessing something. that's tangible.

>> It's like, how does that not strengthen. at least your faith that there is. something. >> coming after this? You know what I mean? And. >> there's so many stories. And the thing. is people have this arrogant assumption. and this is a lot of based on academics. and science and this this belief that we. have all the answers to to reality when. we don't even really understand. consciousness. We don't. Consciousness.

is a massive mystery. So the this idea that we've got it. solved and when I when I hear people say. when you die that's it. It's over. Like. how do you know? You're just saying. this. M. >> you're just saying this that that is as. much of a belief system as any religion. This this belief in something that you. have no evidence of whatsoever. But. there's so many anecdotal stories of. people with near-death experiences, including Sebastian Younger. Do you know. who he is? >> I've heard the name.

>> Brilliant u journalist. He great author. He's written some incredible books. He. did restrepo, right? Mhm. >> uh documentary about the war and just an. amazing, interesting, very, very. intelligent guy. And the last time he. was on the podcast, he was telling us a. story about he had a medical emergency, some sort of uh was like a an artery. burst, right, Jamie? >> Yeah. >> Something inside of his his abdomen. And. he was bleeding out on the inside and he.

was dying. And he got to the hospital. and had this near-death experience that. like very very vivid experience. interacting with his father like just. beyond anything that he would have ever. comprehended and came back with a. completely different perspective on life. and death and like what this is and. where that there is something else. There's something out there. And people. that have had near-death experiences or. died and been resuscitated, they come.

back with the same [ __ ] story over. and over and over and over and over and. over and over and over again. It's not. there's not a lot of variation. There's. different interpretations of what. they're seeing, but it all fits within. the same framework. >> It all fits within a framework that this. is there's something there. >> Did you see the video of this kid a. couple weeks ago? No. >> He's having a wild experience where he. sees Jesus. He sees his dead father. says it's beautiful. >> What? Why is this kid. >> I missed my bow and my hair? I.

>> I think he was sick and he's coming out. of uh surgery. >> I don't know the exact story on what was. happening to him. >> Jesus. >> This video goes on long. It's a. 10-minute video, but Whoa. >> He's in a dream. He's dreaming. >> Yeah, he's dreaming. All right. He's. seeing into a different He's seeing into. the next realm. Yeah, >> I want this hot chicken. >> Yeah, that's crazy. You could dismiss.

that. You could dismiss that if you. wanted to. >> Yeah, you can. You can, man. But look, man. >> I And and I don't even need all these. signs and wonders. Like, I I don't even. need all that, man. I mean, it's great. when you get the opportunity to witness. things like I got to witness with my. friend, Mr. Dawn, and and just see his. faith and see that the word manifest. power in him. Like it's great when you. get to see it, but you can get too. carried away with all that stuff, too. You know what I mean? It's like uh re I.

don't know, man. You know, I'm. wondering, Joe, if the almighty ain't. calling you. >> Calling me how? On the phone. >> Calling you, man. >> What do you mean? In what way? >> I'm just wondering. I think a I think a. lot of people are wondering what the. almighty is doing. Uh what he's working. in you. Umh. see. scripture is dripping with.

something that's called election. Uh, a lot of people get mad about me talking. about this, but th this this truth that. we. will never choose God, the Almighty. We. will never choose to believe. Uh, as a matter of fact, scripture. actually says over and over again, the. the whole message of the cross is. foolishness.

It's foolishness. I mean, seriously, some dude died on a cross. What does. that represent to man? That represents. weakness. That represents defeat. That represents death. You're gone. The. the message of the cross is foolishness. to man. We will never choose. to believe in the message of what we.

call the gospel. that is that Jesus. Christ. died on the cross according to the. scriptures. He was buried and that he. rose again by his own power according to. the scriptures. That's foolishness. And the only way that we can or will. ever believe that like truly place our. faith in that and everything that's. contained in that statement right there. because there's a lot there. You could. literally spend the rest of your life.

meditating on that right there, the. gospel, the what was done on the cross. and by way of the resurrection of. Christ. You would never get to the end. of it. You would never comprehend. everything. You would never search it to. its bottom. You will never believe that. And the. only way that you can believe that. is if the Almighty in his grace. basically makes you alive spiritually.

Because these things are spiritually. discerned. They're not logically. discerned. They're foolishness to man. These things must be spiritually. appraised. And so the Almighty by his grace. makes you alive literally spiritually. alive so that then you can discern the. truth of not only the gospel but.

everything the totality of what is. contained in scripture. It's called the. doctrine of election. And so when I say I wonder if the. Almightyy's calling you, what I mean is. I wonder if you are one of the. Almighty's elect. >> Oh boy, >> that's a lot. >> And and if you are, you better hold on. to your britches, son.

>> I oftentimes wonder what's going on and. why me. >> Yeah, >> you you must, man. You must. >> It doesn't make sense. >> You must. And I hate, you know, that's a. personal thing, man. And I I don't I I. hope you don't take that as any. disrespect. >> No, >> it's just um for me. seeing it's it's odd how much we have in. common. >> seeing what what a uh special human. being you are. Like it's exciting for me.

to be able to hope that the Almighty is. indeed. calling you. Like that's exciting, dude. Like I pray like literally I prayed for. you last night. >> Wow. Like I I literally. on your behalf, I beg the Almighty. to. basically make you alive spiritually so. that you could have discernment and be.

able to appraise these things that are. in scripture that have seemed like. foolishness for so long to you. You know. what? They seemed like foolishness for. me to me for a long long time. Dude, what changed? We're talking about a bunch of wild. stuff, man. And I want. >> Can I take you back while we're in the. middle of this? I'd like to take you. back to like how you got on this journey. of being a podcaster and then to that. because I want to know like what is the. transition from the seals to becoming.

this guy who's very outspoken on YouTube. and starts putting these videos out and. things get interesting and then you very. very religious and and spreading that in. your YouTube as well. like how did this. whole journey get started for you? >> Well, I had uh I decided I wanted to. become a SEAL because I wasn't really. good at anything else in life and I you. know didn't want to go back to school. and all that stuff. That's a whole long. story, but I decided I wanted to do.

that. Uh I finally I went to join the. Navy had I they disqualified me sent me. back home after boot camp wouldn't let. me go to BUDS told me I never would be. able to become a SEAL because I had a. paricardial cyst on my heart 7cm cyst on. my heart you can look it up researched. Navy Seal paricardial cyst you can read. the whole medical journal I'm the only. one. came back home paid for my own heart. surgery as a civilian showed back up in. the Navy less than a year later made it.

All the way through SEAL training. unscathed. >> So what they have to do? They have to. remove the cyst. >> Yeah, they had to cut my chest open and. take a big old cyst off my. >> How big is the Did they have to open. your ribs the whole deal? >> About from here to here. >> Oh, so they go through the. >> Yeah, they peeled my pec up, peeled it. up, cut me open right there. Went in. there and took that cyst off. >> How long did it take to recover from. that? >> Took me about a year. I was back in the. Navy about a year after that surgery. Uh, you know, but but I if if it. wouldn't have been for that, I wouldn't. have made it through SEAL training, man. I didn't even know how to swim, dude. I.

didn't even know how to swim. >> That's crazy. >> I I I was the most unlikely person to. ever make it through seal training. Okay. Hands down. >> Did you have any background in physical. fitness? >> No. >> Nothing. >> Lord know I didn't, man. It took me It. took me two or three months to pass a. mile and a half run. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Made it through SEAL training, all. this and that good stuff. I had a very. colorful career. Uh, started off real.

good, got real bad. I mean, I've been. through it all. I've been in in SEAL. training at the end of our Buds prep. phase, you know, I was awarded the hard. charger award. You know, everybody. selected me. The instructor cadre said, "You're the one that's going to make. it." I was actually the only one to ever. receive that award to make it through. that training pipeline. Everyone else. they had selected up until that point. all quit. But they selected me not based. on my physical abilities, but based on. the fact that I had had a dang heart. surgery just to have a chance to tow the.

line to try something that everybody. quits anyways. >> So, did you train for the SEAL training? Did you like give yourself enough time. to get physically fit. >> after that heart surgery? When I went in. the first time, I could barely pass the. physical standards test that I needed to. pass to get the SEAL contract. If I. would have went straight through and. wouldn't have had that heart surgery, there's no way I would have made it. I. wouldn't have been able to meet the. physical standards once I actually got. the buds. There's no way. But when I had. that heart surgery, then I finally got.

to where I could, you know, okay, man, I. want at that point, I wanted it so bad. because I had to go through all that. You see what I'm saying? I didn't want. it that bad until I had to go through. all that pain and and fear and have my. chest cut open and all this crap. But. man, when I came out the other end of. that, like I said, man, I was like a. game rooster, man. It was like you look. into the eye of a game rooster and he's. got one burning hot desire. It's to.

fight. I mean, you a man appreciates. combat sports. You ought to go watch a. [ __ ] fight one day. >> I mean, just that's what I had. But I. just had this burning hot desire. to for this thing. Nothing was going to. stop me. Made it all the way through. Man, I had a a lot of ups and downs in. my time in the teams. Uh that's a whole. that's that's a three-hour long story, but basically.

>> we got plenty of time. Basically, man, I. I got to my SEAL team and they had. slaughtered our entire team to uh cover. down on Africa. and a couple other European countries. And uh I got so pissed. cuz I'm like, there's a war happening. Like that's the reason I joined. like. everybody that joined wants to go and.

fight in this war and here now I'm wind. up at this place that's you know not. going to go where everybody wants to go. I got so hateful. and uh. through the course of a couple of years. I just got involved in all manner of. what I would call sin. all manner, drunkenness, uh sleeping around with women, hurting. people on purpose,

hateful, terrible person. I didn't love. anybody. And uh the the the whole down the what. what the downfall of it is I was. overseas. I was on a I and we had a range day. The. night before I had went out and just. burned it down, son. I had no business going to the range. that day. I'm gonna go ahead and tell. you, but what do you do? You get up and.

go to the range, right? I'm sitting over. there on the range messing with my gun. Pretty out of it. And I have a negligent. discharge and the guy that's standing. beside me is my gunner's mate and it. barely skims him in the side of his leg. the it was pointed down. Thank God. Pointed down. That happened. And that. was the thing that like. like stopped me in my tracks. Like, holy.

crap, Chad. If you keep going the way. that you're going, you're going to kill. somebody. You know what I mean? I mean, I was involved in all manner of sin. Buddy, stop me right there. I had to go. through a trident review board, a a. disciplinary review board, a captain's. mask, the whole nine yards. Luckily, I. had a good enough reputation up to that. point that I had guys that that vouched. for me. Specifically, my sea daddy, Jake. Hubman, he he wrote a whole long thing.

Chad's Chad's done well. He's this is, you know, this and that. And they. presented that and the Navy let me stay. in, keep my trident in. Well, went back. home, moved in with some lesbians, still. continuing on this this path or this. just trajectory of just ugliness, just. hatefulness, you know what I mean? But I. had kind of started hiding it a little. more, you know, while I was at work. I. was like, "Okay, if I'm about to go to. work, I'm going to have to square myself.

away a little bit." Um, you know, tell you how hateful I was. this man Jake Hubman, my sea daddy. He. uh. um he started struggling with alcoholism. shortly after I had that big mistake. Well, I got back in the platoon and they. told us, they said, "Well, you know, Jake's struggling with alcoholism. We're. sending him off to this rehab program.". They said, "Uh, just leave him alone.".

Well, remember I told you I can forget. people exist? I just forgot he existed. A couple months later, he killed. himself. That's what kind of friend I was. That's. what kind of person I was. Here's this. guy who that's the kind of person that I. still am sometimes today. What a what. there is there's literally nothing good. in me. I'm convinced of that. Here's. this man who had poured so much into me, literally trained me up, taught me the. ways of war. It's on account of his.

mentorship probably that I was able to. stay alive throughout the course of my. career and I just turned my back on him. when he was going through the hardest. time of his life. He kills himself. I don't ever get to make that up. I just. ignored him. Uh that's the kind of Does this describe. to you the type of person that I was? >> Yeah, for sure. >> That's pretty bad, ain't it, brother? >> I mean, that's pretty bad. That's. understandably selfish given the.

circumstances. >> So I get back in a platoon, get ready, deploy again. I'm keeping my wickedness. under control, you know, outwardly, but it's still all. there, man. Well, we go up to Tunisia, North Africa, and Arabs attacked the embassy up there. when all that Benghazi and that stuff. went down. That happened all over North. Africa. So we went up there, resecured. the embassy. We came back, we left there.

and came back to Germany. to. rejock our equipment because that. mission was over in Tunisia. Came back. to Germany to rejock and then we were. going out to Nigeria. And while we were in Germany, the only way for me to tell you this in. in just simple terms is we were staying. in a barracks that was inhabited by some.

sort of demon. And that is that was the genesis of my. conversion. of me being made aware that Okay. So, when you say it's inhabited by a demon, like in what way? >> So, I was in there with a couple other. guys. I wish I would have wrote all this. down. Uh. I was laying in bed one night in this. place. We had we we this there was. nobody else in this building. It was.

just me and a couple There were me and a. guy in one room and two other guys in. the room across the hall there. Okay. Well, I'm laying in bed and I and all of. a sudden I'm jolted awake by something. that hits my door. And I lay in bed for maybe 30 seconds. And while I'm laying there listening, I can hear some strange voices echoing. up and down the hall of this building. that we're in. And so immediately I get.

up, open the door, walk out. Nobody's. out there. Walk around. Nobody's in the. building. Go in my buddy's room beside. me. They're both passed out. But it. scared me, dude. I was like, "What on. earth is this?" It scared me. And um. these things these things would like the. the oven would be turned on like uh.

these bumps and noises and but but more. than all of that there became this feel. this oppressive feeling of of like. evil in this place. Uh, and the guys that I were with that I. was with in there, they started getting. freaked out about it, too. Well, we. called our senior chief who had been. staying there before us. It was just. like an old empty place that guys would.

come and stay in for a few nights before. they left out. We called our senior. chief like, "Hey, man. Did you have any. strange experiences in this place?" He. was like, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, there's some. there's something in there.". And uh so but but like I remember. walking into this place and I would. there was a stairwell. I would walk up. the first flight of stairs and then. there would be a second flight that cut. back and there was like a landing up. there cuz we were staying on the second. deck. And uh like I would you know as a.

hunter like how you have that sense when. something is like staring at you like. you would I would feel this thing. staring at me up there on that landing. and I would fully expect to turn around. and see some sort of something up there. and I never saw it in physical form. We. started doing this research online. about, you know, looking at these forums. and stuff about this place that we were, you know, in and finding all kinds of. other stuff about I'm like, "Well,

whatever is going on here, uh, I can't sleep at night. Like, I. don't want to be in that place cuz it's. it's literally scaring me that bad.". And um. the sanity check was the dudes I was. with were getting freaked out too. And. like I wish I would have talked to them. and written down the things that they. were specifically experiencing. >> Do you remember any of.

>> So that I would It's been so long ago, man. Like the experience that I had was. so powerful. Like that just is the one. thing that sticks in my mind. But I. remember the two guys across the. hallway, one of them had to leave. They. were going out to a different site. And. that dude, the other dude was left in. that room by himself. He moved across. the hallway to stay in the room that me. and my guy were with. >> cuz he didn't want to he didn't want to. stay in that room by himself. >> Jesus. >> And so, um,

I was literally at my wit's end with. this. Like, I was so like I couldn't. sleep at night. >> How long did you stay there for? This. would have probably went on for about a. week. Yeah, this probably would have. went on for about a week. Uh, we were. there for maybe two weeks. Um, and so I. called my little brother at my wit's end. because again, I just told you the type. of person that I was. I had no um, you. know, interest in spiritual matters. I. didn't believe in demons or spiritual.

warfare or God or any of that, right? But I'm like here I now I have. encountered something that seems very. real to me and and it's it's not in this. realm. Here's some sort of entity that I. don't know how to combat. So I called my. little brother cuz I knew my little. brother was a Christian and I said, "Well, here's one of these Christians. They'll have a little bit of maybe a. little bit of insight on this spiritual.

stuff that might be going on here." He. said, 'Well, man, I said, 'I ain't never. ran into nothing like that. He said, 'I'm going to put you in touch with my. my pastor of my local church here. They. were real close. Um, his name's James. Cordell. James called me the next day. and I told him what all was going on. Well, he acted like it was no big deal. I said, "No, buddy." I said, "You don't. understand." I said, "There's something. in here. I don't know what it is." He. said, "Ain't no big deal." He said, "Put.

me on speaker phone." He said, "I'm. going to walk around." I He said, "Walk. around this building in up and down the. hallways." And he said, "I'm going to. pray.". And I'm I put him on speaker phone. I'm. walking around this building up and down. the hallways in my room. He's praying. against this thing in the name of Jesus. Christ. He says, "All right." Now, we had a. little kitchenet there. He said, "You. have some olive oil in there." I said,

"Yeah, we got a bottle." He said, "Take. just a little dab of that olive oil and. uh just dab it on the top of your door. frame there." So, I did it. Joe, I'm. thinking the whole time, "This is so. stupid, but I What else do I do in this. situation? Let's try this." Right? Let's. give this a shot. Right. >> And uh I dab that little olive oil up. there. And um we get off the phone, we wind, I leave, go to work, we come. back that evening, wind down.

Total like peace had returned to this. place. Like I did no longer heard or. felt or was experiencing any sort of. fear or anything like it all was gone. Like I all the sudden it was just like, "Oh, okay. Now I'm just in another little. barracks room here." Like, >> did the other guys feel the same way? >> So, this is what's funny. We I didn't.

tell the other guys that I did that. And. um cuz they were all gone when I walked. around with this crazy man on speaker. phone. Embar It's embarrassing. I mean, in a. certain sense, it's still embarrassing. to tell that story today. Again, this is. foolishness, man. >> Like, you're asking me to tell this. story on this platform? Like, this it's. hard. You know what I mean? Cuz who's. going to believe this? Like, >> right? >> Like, but I don't care. I'm just telling. you like what I remember that experience.

as. And it impacted me so much that it. changed the trajectory of my entire. life. And uh the next morning, we woke. up and uh my buddy woke up in the room. He said, "What's all over the door?" And. I looked up and that little dab of olive. oil had somehow. like dripped down and covered the entire. door. of the room that we were staying in. And. you could see it toward the bottom of.

the door like the drips like the whole. door was like shiny. And uh he said, "What's all over the. door?" And I said, "Don't worry about. it, man. I don't know what the crap that. is." because I was so embarrassed to. tell him that I had done that. >> But it was just a dab of olive. >> It was just literally a dab of olive. I. don't I I don't even know where that. fits into the the whole experience. I don't even know where or how that fits. in. I don't even know what this thing.

was or why this thing would have been. attached to a place. Like I don't. understand that, man. I I don't and I'm. again I'm not like big on this whole. spiritual warfare thing. But after that happened, all that happened, no more nothing in this place, I said, I. have got to get my hands on a u on.

scripture and figure out more about. this figure Jesus who I heard this man. praying in the name of, right? cuz. there's obviously there was some power. like being wielded there by the name of. Jesus in prayer. And so I did I got my hands on a Bible. I started reading in the book of. Matthew. I began my again the through.

this ex this this was obviously the. experience that the almighty had chosen. to call me out of darkness into the. marvelous light of his truth. Open the Bible. I had seen the Bible. before. I had, you know, heard it read. I had even read it before uh in the in. the past. But it ne it was never. anything that meant any I couldn't. understand it. You know what I mean? Like what what the crap is this. >> trying to say to me here, >> right? >> I began to read in the book of Matthew.

and I began to uh well, I for the first. time in my life, I realized how all of. that applied to me. as the hopeless, wicked, ugly, depraved. human being that I I like my mind was. awakened to my own state. Like I didn't realize how ugly and. depraved I was.

Like when I let my when when I passed up. on my friend and he killed himself. Like. I didn't think nothing of that. I just had this this revelation of who I. was and why. why I so needed. something to save me from that. And when I had that revelation literally. by the p the grace of God opening my.

making me spiritual spiritually alive. able to discern the scriptures. When I. had that revelation, I read about. Jesus, his life, his death, why he died. according to the scriptures, his. resurrection, what that means for me. I. it changed everything. Like literally, I. was made a new creature.

overnight. It's the greatest miracle. that God the Almighty could ever work is. taking somebody like me who was. literally so useless. making me alive, making me a brand new creature, waking. up the next day. and being completely changed in how I.

see the world, how I see myself, how I. see the words on these pages, how I see the creator of the cosmos. That's a miracle. Like nothing else that I have. experienced in life produced that amount. of change. nearly instantaneously. And I'll never forget walking down into. to the little platoon hut like the next.

day after um having this revelation of. the the gospel and what it means for me. and who I am. and like. dude I didn't. it's crazy man it it literally changed. my desires. like that that's the miracle right like. how do you change your desire how do you. internally change your desires.

Like I didn't I had no appetite for. pornography anymore. I had no appetite. for the foul language that I used. Like. I had no appetite for gossip. Like. >> overnight, >> literally overnight. Like my literal. desires were changed. And that was the ultimately more so the.

ex more so than the whole thing that was. going on in the barracks and the guy. saying the prayer and this thing leaving. like that experience of being made a new. creature and the realization of what on. earth just has happened to me. That was the thing. and is the thing that I cling to so. tightly like nothing else could have. produced that that type of change in me.

but the grace of God and the revelation. that he's given me of who I am and who. he is. And then as you go, this has been from then to now just a. long and arduous sometimes sometimes. joyful but process. of sanctification. Essentially,

one of the things that I pray most often. is for the Holy Spirit. to conform me into the likeness and. image of Jesus Christ at all cost. At all cost. Well, first time I prayed that, that was. hard to pray, man. You read about Jesus. in Isaiah 53. What's it say about him? He was a man of sorrow, well acquainted.

with grief. Come for me into the image of Christ. And that process of sanctification is. ongoing. My understanding of the scriptures is. ongoing. and progressive even still to this day. and hopefully to the very day that I. depart this tent. It's everything to me, man. Like it's it's No, no, no, no. It's. literally everything to me.

Some people say, "Well, Chad, doesn't. sometimes don't you have moments of of. doubt?". Well, yeah, I'd be a liar. Think about what I believe. >> Yeah. >> Like sometimes, don't you have moments. of doubt? Yeah, I have moments of doubt. sometimes. Yeah, for sure, man. But what I realize. is that if I could possibly.

depart from this faith that I have. in the Almighty, if I could possibly. even depart from that faith, what would I have? I would have nothing. Like what's what's the po what's the. point? >> This is the fascinating aspect of this. that an atheist needs to take into. consideration. You what you're talking about had a real.

result. This belief and faith has had a real. transformative result on you as a human. being. Now, if there was nothing to. this, if this is all nonsense, and there was a method that you could. use, just some sort of a way of viewing. the world that would instantaneously. change the way you see yourself and see.

everything, wouldn't that method be. explored? And wouldn't that be taught? Like if this is the thing. that brought you to who you are now, that's a real thing. Regardless of whether or not anybody. wants to believe in Jesus Christ or. believe in the resurrection or believe. in the gospels, it works. like this. That's the thing about. Christians, like real Christians. And.

I've been very fortunate to meet a bunch. of them. I had a weird journey in. religion myself because I went to. Catholic school when I was in first. grade and it kind of ruined me. >> They were horrible. Yeah. >> This this nun, Sister Mary Josephine, I. don't remember anybody from when I was 6. years old, but I remember that [ __ ]. >> She was so [ __ ] mean, man. And just. the experience, the way they treated. children, it was so fearbased. And I was. like, this is not God. God has nothing.

to do with this. This is people man. people and it kind of set a tone for my. life, you know, where I dismissed any. any notions that there was some sort of. truth in these religions. But the more. I've explored. not just Christianity but me many. different religions people are trying to. document a truth and it's very hard to.

decipher through the tongue of man. It's. very hard to decide when when human. beings write things down and human being. gives state give statements on thing. You have to always take into. consideration human nature. >> Human beings are not that accurate in. how they depict things. And then you. have the problem with translations. >> Truth, brother. >> You have the problem with it going from. ancient Hebrew to Latin and Greek and. all these different languages. And then. you have the problem with spiritual. narcissism. So you have the people that.

are the conveyors of the message who. take on these powers themselves that are. above normal men and control people by. you know before Martin Luther came. around and made a phonetic version of. the Bible there's very few people could. read and very few people could read. Latin they didn't know what it said so. you had to rely on the priest to tell. you everything. >> Yeah. when people started being able to. translate these things into different. languages, it's wonderful, but also. something's probably missing. You know,

my friend Rick Rick Strossman, he's uh a. scholar. He's the guy who wrote that. book, the DMT, the spirit molecule. He. did these um these slow drip studies, these FDA approved studies on uh DMT. with with people with patients. >> I'm very interested in that. He's a. fascinating guy. Well, he learned. ancient Hebrew just so that he could. read the Bible in its native tongue. >> and it took him 16 years to do that.

>> I believe it. >> Yeah. He's a f What an endeavor. >> Yeah. Fascinating guy. I think they were. trying they were writing something down. One of the things that I learned from. Wes Huff, Wesley Huff, who's a biblical. scholar who's been on the podcast, he. told me that the the book of Isaiah when. they find it in they found a version of. it in the Dead Sea Scrolls that is. identical. word to word for a version of it that. they found a thousand years later.

>> That's pretty miraculous. And. >> a thousand years. >> And not not only that, but but what. about the content of Isaiah? What what. about Isaiah 53 as it describes the. suffering servant? How it it literally. outlines. the life and death of Jesus Christ and. it was written what 400 years? >> Yeah. >> Before the crucifixion. Like even the. content of Isaiah, not only the accuracy.

of the the the translation and the. accuracy over that span of time when you. compare copies, but even the content of. it. H how did this prophet write this. thing about this person and it was. fulfilled perfectly literally to a tea. um by the person of Jesus Christ. hundreds of years later. >> Oh, it's crazy. Um, so and by the way, man, like I'm not telling you or anyone. listening to this this what what we call.

testimony, like what what the Lord's. given me experientially in life to share. with other people. I'm not telling you. this to convince you of anything. Like. there's nothing that I can say to. convince you in the truth of the gospel. Like I truly believe that there's no. there's no words that I can use. There's. no logic that I can apply. There's. nothing that I or anyone else can say to.

convince you of this. And it goes back. to what we started off in the. conversation with of these things must. be spiritually discerned. And it is by. grace, God's grace, that we are made alive and able to. discern the truth of these things. That's a hard that's a hard thing to. accept, man. Like that man is totally. depraved. And I can't say anything to. convince anyone.

of the truth of these scriptures. Um. but but the scriptures are dripping. literally dripping with that very fact. That's that's the interesting thing. about about the scriptures. They leave. nothing for man. Like it it's it's almost the the the. single thing that separates what's. contained in the holy scriptures from. other religious philosophy. It literally. leaves nothing for man.

>> What do you mean by that? Meaning there. is nothing that you can do to be made. righteous in the eyes of the creator. There is nothing that you can do to save. yourself. As a matter of fact, without. the grace and the help of the Almighty, you can't even believe the truth. You won't you won't do it. You are you.

are spiritually dead. prior to regeneration. You see what I'm saying? It when you're. dead, if we had a dead man laying on the. floor right here and I said, "Dead man, hearken unto my voice. There is a. hospital. a mile down the road. And if you'll get. up and walk to that hospital or you'll.

allow me to take you to that hospital, they'll shock you and bring you back to. life. Is he going to respond to that message? >> He's going to lay there dead, right? >> Yeah. >> We're dead. spiritually until we are made alive by. the grace of the Almighty. It leaves nothing for man. Not not a thread. It leaves me not not. not a single thread that I can cling to.

And then you look at the whole saga. of scripture. Well, what's this all about anyways? Let's take it all the way back to. Genesis, all the way through Revelation. and everything in between. The whole. saga. is to glorify the son Jesus Christ. What's the purpose in me even being. saved? It's so that I can be presented.

to Christ as his bride. What do you mean by that? We. God's people. are the whole purpose of our existence. is for us to be presented. to Jesus Christ. as his own people who will glorify him. for all of eternity.

It's to glorify the son. the f the the the whole saga that was. determined by the sovereign and. immutable will of the father. it can't be changed the whole saga the. only purpose of it all is to present and. to present this I can't say this word. real well peculiar peculiar people. to the son as a bride an offering to.

glorify the son for all of eternity The. whole saga is to lift up and glorify. Jesus Christ. It's the only purpose for me even being. saved. And you're convinced of this. Well, I I think I think that. I'm not con I'm not convinced of this.

because that's what I want to believe. Like I'm convinced of this because I'm. convinced of the truth of the holy. scriptures. and the and and again the entire the. entire when you look at the thing from a. 30,000 ft view. I'm convinced of I'm convinced of that. Not because why would I want to believe. that? Why do why would I want to if I wrote. this story would it not give me.

something to cling to? Would it not. would if I wrote the story, would it not. give me some other purpose than just. being offered up as a bride to the. glorification. of the son. Jesus Christ? Like. if I wrote that story, wouldn't I write. it differently than that? Because I'm. man, right? I would leave myself. something to cling to. Surely this.

salvation means something more. than just that I am part of this special. people now being offered up as a bride. to Christ. Surely there's something that. I can do in this life, a choice that I. can make to believe in this. Like surely. I have the power to make that choice. But if I had the power to make the. choice to believe in the gospel of Jesus.

Christ in and of myself, then that salvation would be coming from. me. You see what I'm saying? >> When you realize you don't even have the. power of choice in you, you you are. dead. You will not choose it. when you. realize you don't even have the power of. choice. >> So you believe it has to be that this. wisdom has to enter you somehow.

You are entered. by what scripture calls the Holy Spirit, which is the spirit of God, who comes. and dwells in you. And that is the. entity that makes you spiritually alive. and gives you the ability to appraise. >> the scriptures essentially spiritual. things because before that it's. foolishness. >> Have you ever uh paid any attention to. the shroud of Turin? Have you ever. looked into it at all? I've just seen it.

pop up, you know, as I as I scroll. through. Um, >> well, they used to dismiss it because. they used to say they did a carbon date. on it and it was only 500 years old, but. they've since made some revisions to. that. There's a lot of people that. believe because of the wear of the. cloth, the age of the cloth, and I think. they've done subsequent tests that place. it around 2,000 years old, which is. really fascinating. The other thing. that's fascinating is they didn't even. know what the image completely was until.

someone took photographs of it and then. looked at the the negatives. And in the. negatives, then you get this image of. Jesus. Not just Jesus, but with the the. the scars and the markings on his back, the the the part of his body where he's. pierced, the piercings on the wrists. >> And they really do believe that this. thing is 2,000 years old. And the the. other thing that's strange is they have. no explanation as to how that image was. created. They think that image was.

created somehow from some sort of a. burst of energy. It's not stained. It's. not died. >> And it's it's not something that's. easily reproduced, especially if you. think about the timeline. If this is. supposedly a forgery, like how would. they make an image that would only show. up in a negative? And what would be the. motivation to fake this in this manner? See if you can get some photos of what. it looks like. Jamie, >> you know what I love about what you're. saying, Joe? It's just it's so amazing.

how the almighty. works in each of us differently. >> Like look at this. This is now this. image. If you see the original, see the. originals to the left. Like they didn't, you know, they saw that and they're. like, "Huh, what is this?" But once you. look at it with the the negative, show. the negative again, the black and white. Once you see the negative of it, see, make that larger. Then it starts getting. very strange. because you you look at the the.

piercings on the wrist and there's these. blood stains in these areas. It's very strange. Wow, man. And it's a. very large piece of cloth. I think it's. uh I think it wrapped his entire body. and so it was like seven feet long and. then they folded it so it's his back and. his front so he was inside of this thing. and this is the image. >> I think it was debunked recently.

>> Was it debunked again? >> I think so. >> What did they say now? >> I I remember seeing something about it. They found some sort of processes that. have been around for a few hundred years. that do some sort of this like negative. transfer, >> right? But did they know that 2,000. years ago? And why? >> That's where I think the carbon dating. has been re readjusted to. >> Oh, really? What are they saying now? >> I mean, I typed in debunks and I was. looking through a few articles. >> See, there's people that believe and. there's people that don't believe. And. it gets weird. >> It gets weird because there's a lot of. people that want to debunk things. A new.

research shows that the carbon dating of. the Shroud is fake. >> Uh, findings that it was the carbon. dating that was fake, not the Shroud. There's a central conclusion. There's a. few articles about it being fake, but. again, I don't I mean, I don't know if. they're 100% like this is fake or if. they're just haters, you know? >> Right. You know what's interesting to me. about the body of Christ, the physical. body like like is being transposed onto. that uh shroud, whether it's real or. not? Have you ever thought about this?

If if you think about going back to. talking about death and why do we have. to die? Um why is it a necessity for all. humans? Well, the the scripture tells us. that for a human, the reason that we. must die is because of sin, right? That. started with the very first sin of man. and woman in the very beginning, right? Because scripture tells us that man was. created to exist eternally in the.

beginning, the human physical form. Um. but when man sinned. a lot of things happened uh death that's. that's the moment scripturally that's. when death entered the equation. So this. sin is a big problem like that is the. genesis of death entering the equation. and becoming a reality for all men.

I wonder a lot what happened when that. sin. caused death in man. It's almost like it. changed. man's genetic makeup. It's almost like. man was created in the beginning to. exist in a physical body eternally. Meaning he had per perfect genetics, right? He could exist. Nothing decayed.

he could continue on for all eternity. He also had the ability to uh be in the. presence of the Almighty in some way. The the human brain could interact with. the Almighty. But when sin entered the equation, it's. almost like man's genetic code was. marred. and death entered the equation and we. began to age. And it even when I think.

about it along those lines, it's totally. theor theoretical by the way. Um. that's how we inherit our sinful nature. is because the result of sin actually. changed the genetic makeup of the of. man's physical body and therefore by. necessity he now has to die because he. ages. And also we lost our ability to perceive. the almighty and to actually converse. with him in our some we lost something.

in our brain. Right? That's why I wonder about that. DMT stuff. >> We lost like we lost some something in. our brain that originally allowed us to. see into this other realm and converse. with this almighty being. We lost the. ability to do that. because of sin. Which brings me to the. body of Christ. The interesting thing. about the body, physical body of Jesus. Christ, he was the only man according to.

scripture who ever fulfilled the law of. God completely and perfectly. which. means his physical body, his literal. physical body was not affected by sin, which is the thing that is causing all. of us to die by necessity. And I just wonder if that physical body. if if the body of Christ if Christ would. have grown to to maturity which he did.

which was when about when he started his. ministry was full adult maturity. I. wonder if he would not have been. crucified, if he could have lived in. that physical body forever, if the aging. process would have stopped and he would. have never had to die because the. effects of sin. were not upon him. The curse was not. upon him. And it makes me think about. that body because they took his body off.

the cross, laid it in the tomb. When we die, our bodies begin to exper. uh go through um decay very quickly. You've seen that killing animals. You. kill something within a few hours starts. to get kind of blowed up, stiff as a. board. After about a day, it stinks. All. nasty. He died. They put him in that tomb. He was there for three days. That body.

didn't decay. The spirit then re-entered that same. body. and that body, that same body rose up. and eventually ascended into heaven. He. took that body with him into this other. realm. It just makes me wonder like what the. human body was like in the beginning. when we were created perfectly with this.

mental ability to interact with this. other realm, converse with the Almighty, the the absence of sin. In other words, our genetics were perfect. The human. body was perfect. It would not die. So this is if you're taking the Old. Testament absolutely and literally. >> and if that if you do that, how do you. what do you think about evolution? >> Um. that's a great that's a great.

>> What do you think about. >> I've been thinking about evolution a. little bit here lately? >> The various forms of humans that have. been detected D including recently. Dennisovven's what was that one? Julian's. What's that one? >> Big headed. >> The giant huge headed people. They don't. even know how big they were. They think. they were quite a bit larger than us. They found multiple. types of humans. Obviously, Neanderthalss, >> but. >> Well, if you can't tell by now, I like. to think about things. >> Oh, I do too. >> I love I love It's fun. It's fun. You.

know what I mean? Like the whole thing I. just talked about was like totally. theoretical. like I can't prove any of. that. But when I think about evolution, um the one of the first things that's. striking to me. >> is how on earth. Well, first of all, consciousness is a. big problem. You mentioned that earlier, but but but how on earth did we as the. beings that we are or we could take any. being on earth and use it as an example?

>> Yeah. How do we go through how how many. millions or do some say billions. >> of life years not humans but for life? Yeah. What is life? What did how long. ago did life first appear on Earth? >> I think single cellled organisms it's. like. >> now. >> three billion years or something. >> Now what I'm about to do here is I'm. about to apply some country boy logic. here. Joe, >> here it goes. What does it say? 3.5. billion years.

>> 3.5 billion years. >> Okay. from from life. to what we are as beings. Now, now look, are you ready for this country boy. logic? So, >> I'd love to hear that. >> How on earth did we go through 3.5. billion years, >> right, >> of evolution and and and being shaped by. our environment. >> Uhhuh. And here we are after 3.5 billion years.

and we can't stay around for more than. about 75 years and everything around us. can kill us. Like if I if I think about. now again country boy logic here if I. think a 3.5 billiony yearl long process. of an organism being shaped by its. environment I would like to hope it. would produce something a little better. >> well than what we are today. what it's.

produced is pretty [ __ ] extraordinary. comparison to in comparison to all the. other animals. >> like in human in human. >> in humans nothing nothing is even close. but. >> and then you have to think of how long. humans have been around in this form at. least according to science. >> they believe it's somewhere in the. neighborhood of 300 to 500,000 years. based on the fossil evidence it could go. further or back probably go further back. eventually they'll probably figure it's. like six or seven but there's a timeline. there's timeline when homo sapiens.

existed and when they didn't exist. before. And then there's a bunch of. different forms of human. There's a. bunch of different hominids, different. bunch of there's, you know, there's. neandertol, chromagnon, there's there's. a ton of them. So what we've been able. to achieve in this very relatively. speaking, when you think about 3.5. billion, which is a number that you. can't really comprehend, you say it, but. it's I agree. It's too big. It's too big. to really wrap your head around. Think.

about the behavior characteristics that. you can breed into your dogs in a short. period of time. >> Now, now I am I am I hardily. agree and believe in adaptation. >> Yeah. >> Hardily agree in in in different forms. drastically different forms of human. >> Well, look at just dogs. Just look at. dogs. Your dog came from a wolf. >> Okay. I have uh two dogs. So, I have a. golden retriever and I have a spananiel, this little puppy that we just got. And.

both of them also descended from wolves. And it's ridiculous. They have zero. killer instinct other than squirrels. My. dog Marshall who kills squirrels, >> but. >> and turtles, but he's not a wolf. >> He's some sort of a new thing that we've. created through selection and breeding. and. >> forestation. Over time, it's a totally. different animal just like we are. We. are a totally different animal than. Neandertol, a totally different animal.

to ancient man. We're we're just. different. We're different in some you. go and especially if you go way back to. Australia, Epithesine and all these. different animals that these different. homminids that were very primitive, much. more ape-like than us. >> There's a path. You could see it. It's. like there's a lot of mysteries. The big. one is the doubling of the human brain. over a period of two million years. That's a crazy one. >> One of the things that I always wonder. when you're reading particularly the. really old texts, when it gets into like.

the Dead Sea Scrolls, when it gets into. the the the the. Old Testament and and even stuff that's. before that, it's like what were they. trying to remember? Because you got to. remember before this stuff was even. written down, it was an oral history for. about a thousand years. What were they. what were they what was the original. story? And that's where I think the. truth is. I think there's truth. I don't. think these people were making up myths. and fairy tales. I think that's that's a. silly way to think about it. I I think.

it's much more likely that some. immense events had happened over the. course of human history and these people. were trying to document it with whatever. limited ability to express themselves. that they had at the time. >> Yeah. Yeah. There's something there. It's just the problem I always have with. all religions is man. The tongue of man. is human beings and our desire to.

we we. use hyperbole. We exaggerate. We change. times. We we change we we we write. things that make ourselves look better. than we should. History is written by. the winners. It's very difficult to know. like what was the genesis of it. What. was the what was the original thing that. they were trying to write down? But I. think there's truth in the original. thing. >> Man, you're headed in the right. direction. Joe, when when you said the. problem you always have is with man. >> Yes. >> Man is indeed the problem, my friend.

Yes. >> You are headed down the right path, man. >> Well, we are the problem, but we are. also seeking solutions. People like you, people like me, people that want to be. better people. And there's a lot of. people out there that are listening to. this. People that want a better world. They want a better society. And they recognize that there's there's. certain things that you can do both to. change your life and to inspire others. Like that's there's a reason for those.

instincts. >> They're not necessarily even self-s. serving. A lot of them are community. serving. And that's in a way selfserving. because the more healthy your community. is, the better your you'll feel, the. better your life will be. There's reward. systems that are built into our our. tribal nature. >> Yeah. >> And there's a lot of good to that. And I. think like I said before, like if you do. follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, you will have a better life. If you. believe it, you will and you live by it.

You will have a better life. But there's that weird jump that you. have to make, right? There's the weird. jump where you have to you have to. abandon. this critical thinking and logical mind. >> and accept that there's an extreme value. in living this way. And there's it's not. it hasn't been around for all this these. years by accident.

And I really do believe that at the. origins and I just we all wish we could. know. We could hear it. Like that's the. frustrating thing about it. This is all. really the word of God. Like hey, come. back and give us a refresher course. How. about you know like maybe we're not bad, we just need to know. >> I tell you what, Joe, I should just let. you talk the whole dang podcast, man. cuz you are so good at at just. summing stuff up and getting to the root. of of questions and things and you know.

like like you know you talked about that. whole. >> that that transition from just like. living it out to have a better life to. all of the sudden like placing your. entire hope in this message of the. gospel. Like. >> that's that transition that I was. talking about that you can't choose. >> You know what I mean? Like so you're. you're you're summarizing all of this so. well, man. And it's interesting to me. too that um. >> you know, the Almighty has these plans.

for each of us, his sons and daughters. And uh he leads us each along this path. to the ultimate revelation that we are. searching for. But every path looks. different. And it's so interesting to me. to get to hear you speak this way. because he led me along this path that. involved this spiritual warfare. What. was I? I was a warrior. Like I.

understood warfare. I understood. encountering an enemy. And and that's. that's the story I told you. you know, he kind of led me to this ultimate. revelation and to this regeneration. along the lines of that. I have to believe that and I have to. hope that he is leading you along this. path. specifically. the way you're experiencing it because.

that's how you your mind works, man. Like you're a master. You are you are. intelligent. You understand things. You. want things to be. somewhat logical and orderly and and you. know like the Shrouded Turan thing or or. you know any of these other artifacts or. the Dead Sea Scrolls or or something. like like I can do without knowing about. all that and be just fine. But according to the way the Almighty. made you,

maybe you can't do without all that. stuff and be just fine cuz you're. different than me. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> So, I want you, man, it sounds so weird. because I don't, we just met, but like I. want you, man, to be confident. in the direction that you're going with. the questions that you ask and the way. that you search. cuz it's beautiful, man. >> Well, thank you. >> Yeah. Um, >> it's beautiful.

>> I'm blessed with the time. I'm blessed. with the time to ponder things. >> Yeah. You know, >> it that is a that is a very big. blessing, man. >> It is cuz if you're too busy and your. life is too overwhelmed with obligations. and and I have a lot of them, but. fortunately for for me, a lot of my job. gives me time gives me time to think. Yep. >> A lot of what I do and a lot of these. conversations give me time to think and. and talking to different people with. different perspectives, different life. experiences and what they're trying to.

figure out because we're all trying to. figure out like what is the purpose of. this? Like what am I doing here? And. some of the most miserable, anxietyridden people that I know have no. belief system. Some of the most. miserable, anxietydriven people that I. know are atheists. and some of the most angry and bitter. and attacking and condescending and. atheists and. >> and also Christian.

>> Yeah. Well, there's a lot of Christians. that way, too. Yeah. There's Well, there's a lot of Muslims that way. There's a lot of Buddhists that way. There's a lot of people that are full of. [ __ ]. >> And that's, you know, that's with. everything like that. You can get a good. plumber, you can get a terrible plumber, you know, and it's just how human beings. vary considerably. There's a philosopher. that uh Martin Luther quotes in his book. the bondage of the will and he this. philosopher says you can make anything. out of anything and he's talking about. scripture.

>> You can take the holy scriptures and you. can make anything out of them that you. want to make out of them. >> Right? If you want to interpret it in a. completely different way, >> you can make anything out of anything. And and that's where we have these. issues. Uh, you know, people people love. to point out the hypocrisy. in the body of Christ, the visible. church, Christians, people who proclaim. to be Christians, the hypocrisy of.

Christians. And and uh I I would agree. with you 100%. Um there is a lot of. hypocrisy and and a lot of what the. visible church does is makes what they. want to make out of the scriptures in. order to control people. >> Mhm. >> I mean that that that h that that's like. for sure huge man. >> And there's these there's also the issue. of mega pastors. >> Yeah. >> You know when you think about a. rockstar, you think about someone who's.

selling out an arena, right? You think. about a a preacher, you think about like. a Joel Olstein type character, unfortunately, because they're more. popular than any of the other ones. And. so that becomes that's a far it's on the. far spectrum, a fringe figure. Yeah. You. know, Rolls-Royces, private jets, expensive suits, all of it's [ __ ]. None of it makes any sense. None of it. seems remotely Christian, right? to to. be to amass billions of dollars and.

enormous plots of land and have huge. houses and you're flying around in 65. million dollar planes. >> Dude, you're a comedian. You got to. watch this dude named Jesse Duplantis. >> Is he a comic? >> Oh, no. He's a He's like a a mega. preacher, but dude, you just got to. watch videos of this dude. >> Is he off off the charts? >> Oh my gosh. >> Well, you know, that's how Kenisonson. started. one of the greatest comedians, if not. the greatest of all time. Sam Kenisonson. started out as a tent preacher.

>> Well, you know, when people like to. point out the hypocrisy of Christians, like. >> I get what you're saying, man. Like, and. how religion is used to control people. >> You can make anything out of anything. But here's the thing. Here's here's how. I would respond to you as a Christian. >> Yes, you are right. I am a hypocrite. I am a liar. I am a cheater. Now, I'm not really a thief, per se. I.

don't steal. I covet people, the things that they. have, the things of this world. Um, I. hate. uh I do all of those things. That's the point. Like in that realization of who I am, it's it's that that revelation is the.

foundation of my clinging to. Christ, >> right? I I see what you're saying. >> Like clinging to do I want to do those. things? No, I don't want to do those. things. But there is something in me. There is a remnant in me. that. leads me to do things that I don't want. to do. And the things that I want to do, I don't actually do.

now. Not a 100% of the time, like that's. not my desire, but when I actually when I do those. things now, the difference is my. response to them. So, like I told you. how wicked I used to be. Well, you know, used to be if I had an argument with my. wife, you know, maybe I was rushing out. the door and I would I maybe I yelled at. my wife and I went out and got my truck. and went to work. The rest of the day, I.

would be justifying. my. yelling at my wife. She deserved to be. yelled at, >> right? >> Screw her, man. Like, she's in the. wrong. Now, when I do those things, I yell at. my wife, I walk out the door, it's the. same thing that I did before, but I do. it now. And I get in my car, and it crushes me, dude. I'm like, I I can't believe I just did.

the thing that I know I don't want to. do, but I did it anyways. It's my. response to those things. Um, the most I think accurate way or picture. to describe this, remember I told you I. woke up the next day and like my desires. had changed. >> Yes. >> Um, the most accurate way I've heard this. described is if you had two plates of. food. Now, you know, you had a plate of. the finest food and then you had a.

bucket of garbage. You turn a pig loose into the room. The pig is going to go and stick his. head in that bucket of garbage and eat. that garbage before he eats the food off. of that fine. plate cuz he likes the smell of garbage. He's attracted to to the taste and the. smell of that gar. We have pigs at the. house. Like that's what he would do. He. would go eat the garbage before he ate.

the good stuff. And so. that pig, he's eating that garbage. And. there's this good stuff right here next. to him. And he he doesn't even he's not. even ashamed that he's eating that. garbage because he's a pig. If you had the power to snap your. fingers and to turn that pig. into a man, that man would then lift his head up out. of that garbage. and he would look around him and he.

would be ashamed that he had been eating. that garbage. and he would depart from that garbage. and go to the finer food, Right. >> Yeah. >> That's what he would do. >> That's that's that's the transition that. I tried to describe to you earlier, how. I was changed overnight. It was like I. no longer desired. garbage. more than I desired the fine things that.

the Lord has offered to me. My desires. changed. Right. >> I see what you're saying. >> But we still go back like that. There's. a remnant of that pig in us. >> And every now and then we want to go. back and eat that garbage, but we're. ashamed. We don't want anybody to see. us. And we're ashamed and it upsets our. stomach. and we respond to it differently. And that's that's kind of the the change.

and and tying this all back into well, why don't why aren't Christians perfect? They say there they they preach all this. stuff. The as a preacher or as a. teacher, the closer you preach the true. literal word of scripture in terms of. standards, the closer you get to that. standard that's portrayed by scripture, the more of a hypocrite you are going to.

become. because you can't meet it. So, but you what you're saying though, this is what I was getting at. What. you're saying is. one of the best examples of the power of. being a Christian. What I'm talking about is the general. perception of people on the outside. that don't really maybe don't maybe hang. out mostly in secular circles. Maybe.

they have a bunch of friends that are. atheists and they see religion as this. big scam. >> Yeah. And because the most popular. versions of religion for a long time is. televised religion, you know, that's the. when you think about people's exposure. that aren't religious to religion, what. do they they hear about scandals, they. hear about, you know, the the pedophilia. in the Catholic Church, they hear about. money that's being inappropriately.

spent. And yep. So the versions that. they get are like, "Oh, this is just. [ __ ] to control people.". >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And they don't hear enough about. like genuine transformation stories and. like why this is valuable and why it's. also valuable to intelligent people. because this has always been this. is a misconception or at least a. narrative that's pushed out that it's. for dull-minded people. It's for.

dull-minded people that can't make sense. of the world. It's too much confusion to. them. So they need a structure. >> which is totally in alignment with the. the the whole truth that the this cross. thing is foolishness. Like I understand. that like. >> right. >> I mean. >> well the fact that you do makes it much. more palatable for people too. What you. were saying makes more sense to people. because like okay he's addressing these. feelings that I have too. >> Yeah. I mean, you you read in I think.

it's um 1 Corinthians chapter 2, uh the Apostle Paul is writing like, "Hey, I didn't come to you with these. wise words like trying to convince you. of anything. I simply have preached to. you this gospel." And notice that not. many of you who are considered wise. like were able to believe this because. it's it's literally foolishness.

until you're made alive. And it was it's. funny. It was by the Almighty's. sovereign immutable will that he chose. the cross. as to be the story of redemption for. man. It's funny that he chose the cross. and he did it for his own good pleasure. He chose to destroy. the wisdom of man.

by a message. that is seemingly foolish. It's so. backwards. >> He chose to destroy man's wisdom, our natural man's wisdom, right? All the. great things that man has done and known. and discovered, he chose to destroy all. of that by this foolish message of the. cross for his own good pleasure. Because.

man in his wisdom. did not know God when he came here in. the body in the person of Jesus Christ. They actually killed him. So he said, "I'm going to destroy. y'all's natural wisdom with this message. of foolishness.". Kind of comedic. >> It's It is. So if it really did happen, it's the most bizarre way to get a. message across. >> It's the most bizarre way that you could. ever. >> like literally even imagine, man.

>> No. And and imagine you trying to. explain to people your experiences with. whatever you encountered in those. barracks and people hearing that like. it's the problem with unique experiences. that are completely outside of the norm. Well, what's more outside of the norm. than the resurrection of Jesus Christ or. Jesus Christ being actually the son of. God? Like imagine trying to explain that. to people. They'd be like, "What are you. talking about? There's this guy, his. name is Jesus." Like, "Shut the [ __ ]. up." Like what are you in a multi-level.

marketing scheme? Like what are you. talking about, man? This guy want money. from you? Like what does this guy. [ __ ] your wife? Like what's going on? No, no, no, no, man. It's not like that. Like okay, right, right. But if it. really is true, you would be stuck. You'd be stuck with this story. And you. can't leave that part out. No, you're. you're commanded to tell the entire. story. So you have this conundrum, right? This. this part is gonna sound crazy, but.

[Laughter]. >> you summed it up well, Joe. You summed. it up well, brother. >> The most fascinating thing of it. But I. always tell people, uh, look all that, look at it, but also know that if you. live that way and if you believe that. and if you follow those teachings, you. will have a better life. There's. something to it. There's a reason why. people have been doing it. There's a. reason why true Christians are some of. the nicest, most compassionate, friendliest, charitable people that. you'll ever meet. There's something to.

it. There's something to it. There's a. there's an or the origin of it all. There's there's truth in the origin of. it all. It's just trying to figure out. what it means. And then the. translations, even the translations in. English that you're reading, the way. they communicate is so different than. the way we communicate today. So you. have to realize like the evolution of. human discourse over thousands of years, the way we phrase things, the way we. describe things, the way we talk about.

things is all very different. So you. have to get scholars who understand the. original way they talked about these. things and what what what did why why. did they say a phrase this way? What is. the meaning of this? Isn't it so good. that we have men that have dedicate men. and women who have dedicated their. entire lives to that job? >> Do you follow that Wesley Huff guy? >> Oh, yeah. He's fantastic. >> I do, man. It's I'm so thankful for men. like him. >> Uh RC Spurl is a is a is one that I love.

to read his stuff. He's passed now. Martin Luther, of course, is another. one. But I I mean, because you think. about me, like what do I spend a day. reading scripture? Two hours a day, maybe. sometimes three. like I'm never going to become the. expert, >> right? >> You know, you you spend an hour a day or. two hours a day doing anything. >> Yeah. >> You're never going to become. >> No, you'll be proficient. >> You'll be proficient. Yeah. You'll be.

able to kind of know your way around it. But the stuff that you're talking about. knowing, which is stuff worth knowing, you know, that's the meat that we can. consume. >> Also, when you're talking about the Old. Testament and the New Testament, you put. the two of them together, you're dealing. with thousands of pages. >> Yeah. thousands. thousands of pages of very confusing. scripture where some of it you're. reading you have to read it three or. four times and you just got to go okay. what what is what exactly is he trying. to say here. >> because you have to figure out how it. fits with the rest of it.

>> Yes. >> Because you can you can read it in a way. and you're like this this is. contradictory. I if if scripture is contradictory, it is not from God, >> right? >> Like it it cannot by by nature of what. what we know about the nature of the. Almighty, what's revealed in scripture. to us just about his his nature, his. attributes, right? It's one of my. favorite things to study, the attributes.

of the Almighty, which we cannot even. begin to grasp the fullness of it, but. some of his attributes have been. revealed to us. And and so he if that is. his word, it cannot contradict itself. Um because that would go against what we. know. of as. who who he is. You know, >> yeah, >> but yet sometimes it does. >> Seemingly.

>> Yeah. >> Seemingly. And again, this is probably. the interpretation of man, you know, and this is where it gets. problematic. I mean, it is. ultimately fascinating that you have. something like the book of Isaiah where. they found an older version that they. didn't even know existed. It turns out. to be a thousand years older and it's. verbatim. Fascinating, right? >> It is. >> But before that got written down, they. talked about it for a long time. a long.

time and so few people could write. things down and so few people could. read. That's where it gets weird. But I. think. ultimately behind it all, they're trying. to tell a story. They're trying to tell. a fantastic story. And I think ultimately too, I think. something you could add to that, Joe, is. if uh well, if what I'm saying is. correct in terms of what I believe about. scripture, ultimately there has also to.

be some divine influence over the. preservation. of those scriptures. Um it's the only way, right? It would be. the only way for the scriptures in their. original language to be truly the word. of the Almighty. to man. The complete revelation of. the Almighty to man. Like there has to.

be some divine influence. for that to happen, >> right? But then you have to take it back. to the origins of it. Like what was. that? What was that divine influence? Yeah. >> What was what were the experiences? >> Was it a conver Yeah. Was it a How did. it You know, we like we like to uh. >> you like to. kind of the the. [Music]. And here's another thing, man. It all. involves faith. It does involve an. aspect of faith. Like.

>> Yeah. You know, cuz we look at the the. letters in the New Testament who were. mostly written by the Apostle Paul and. the only way that we can trust that okay. th this is the the literal message from. God to us but it's coming through a man. Like how does that happen? Well, we have. to believe that again the Almighty is. influencing man through the power of his.

spirit in the man to write the things. that the man wrote. You know, that's. like that that's why this this this. belief in the Holy Spirit and and of the. believer actually being possessed with. the spirit of God is so essential. >> Like it has to be that way or else the. Apostle Paul's writing his opinions, >> right? or he's writing based off of his. experience. You know, it goes you could take it all the way. back. What did Pilate say to Jesus? What.

is truth? Well, well, you know what is like truth? I don't even know that truth can come. from man alone because everything. that we have ex experienced. is so influenced by our upbringing by. our perspective by our memory by so many. factors. That's why I hate, dude, I hate. seeing these guys, these former military.

guys attacking each other, man, about he. did this and he did that and he didn't. do this and he did didn't do that. I'm. like, I mean, some guys might flat out. be, you know, telling a a fib, you know, I get that, right? You know, that's not. good. But, man, so many guy so many. people are recounting experiences that. they've had in their life and their. service and whatever it may be. And like. all of that is shaped by their unique. perspective and the way that their mind. works. And.

>> you know, it's like. >> I can't attack a dude. I can't attack a. dude for that. You know what I mean? So. if we're saying that the Bible is is is. truly. >> the revel the perfect revelation of God. to man, then we have to understand that. the source of that all of that did not. come from man. In some way it was. wrought by God through man. If that makes sense. >> It does make sense. And that is the.

ultimate truth where it all started. from. >> It's just trying to like. sift through. the tongue of man to get to whatever. that truth is. Yeah. And then this thing. that will ultimately I mean unless some. insane technology comes about we'll. never know. We'll never be able to go. back in time and figure that out. That's a problem, ain't it? It's an. issue. >> You know, I talked to my buddy about. that while I was sitting uh sitting. there with him uh you know, as he was.

passing away. And you know, scripture. describes when uh when you when you. leave your physical body here on earth, you know, you your spirit basically goes. into the pres presence of the Almighty. immediately. Mhm. >> But in that state, you're unclothed. and you don't want to be unclothed. Um, and like I was I'm I'm having all.

these I lost my train of thought there. on on where we were going with that, but. um. yeah, man. I forgot the original. question, but it was it pertained to. something conversation I had with him. Well, you were talking with him about. this this sort of leap of faith that you. have to make. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. That's what I was. talking to him about. I was like, "Right. now, Mr. Don, um you there there is an element of.

faith in in what you believe like and. that that's a problem. Like that's it's. hard to explain that. It's hard that. that's a problem. But when you leave. here, like you're no longer going to. have to live by faith. Like once you get. there, you're going to know you made it. Like it's it's it's all but it goes back. to what you were saying like we'll never. know. There's always going to be an.

element of faith. in what we believe. Like there's there. has to be as it pertains to things of. God, there's always going to be a. certain element of faith. That very. faith is the gift that the Lord gives to. his elect. The ability to believe. Like that is the gift, that element of. faith. That's the gift that I treasure.

more than anything else in I that I have. in my life. But it's still tough. Remember I told. you I'd have doubts sometimes. >> Of course. Well, that's where the. skeptical person steps in and says, "Well, this is ridiculous. It's all. based on you have to believe in faith. because logically it doesn't make any. sense.". >> And so, this is the problem with that is. that you're making this assumption that. the human mind is flawless and that it. could perceive truth regardless of your.

learned experiences, regardless of what. you know about the world. You could see. truth even if it's a completely unique. thing. >> You could know that it doesn't exist. Like there's no way. There's no way you. know. And if it is a puzzle, what. greater puzzle than you have to believe. something that defies logic? Like if you. were gonna if you're gonna demand faith. of someone, you would you would. deliver it in a way that there's the.

only way to buy into this is that you. have to get past your logic. You have to. abandon it and you have to believe. something that you've been told is. impossible. But my answer like a good. preacher one day, man. My my answer to. that is isn't everything impossible? This is the problem with that. The. problem is Terrence McKenna once said. that. science only demands of you one miracle. That's the big bang. If you believe in.

one miracle, everything else it says it. can explain with materialist science. So if you the the miracle of the Big. Bang is way crazier to believe than the. resurrection of a a human being. That's. that seems more logical. That seems more plausible. People live, people die, maybe people come back to. life. I'll buy that more than the entire. universe is smaller than the head of a. pin and through no process that anybody.

has adequately explained becomes. everything. And maybe it's a continual process. It. happens over and over and over again. >> Well, you like you you like to look into. all this stuff. My wife sent me a. YouTube video or something the other. day. Apparently, they saw something with. one of these. >> telescopes or something that they look. into the cosmos with that has completely. like destroyed all their evidence of. >> Yes. their their their theology behind. the big bang. >> Yes. James Webb telescope. Yeah. They're. they're finding they they think that.

some of what they were interpreting as. the initial signals of the Big Bang are. not that that this that not only that. but the origin the birth of the universe. is far older than they think it was. because they're finding galaxies that. are far too large and formed that are so. far away that they would have had to. form far quicker than they thought was. possible from the moment of the Big Bang. to then. So this has extended in some.

people's eyes the birth of the universe. to 22 plus billion years old instead of. 13.7 or whatever it is. So they think. it's possibly even older. But then. there's also questions like the big bang. itself might not be correct. You might. be just interpreting the signals of this. part of the space part of the universe. and we just can't see yet because we. don't have the ability to see further. than what the James Web telescope can. do. So, as we develop better and better. tools, with each iteration, you're going.

to have a much deeper understanding of. the vastness of the universe itself, which may ultimately be infinite. And. Roger Penrose thinks that the not only. was there not just a big bang, that. there's a continual cycle of these. things that happen for eternity, that. there's never been a beginning. >> Go ahead and wrap your mind around that. >> Wrap your mind around that. Rabium. because we always want to think in terms. of our own personal biological. limitations. We have a birth and we have.

a death. Well, what was the birth of the. universe? Well, why why assume that? Why? Because we have this tiny little. lifespan of a hundred years. >> Even even when we try to interpret hard. things about scripture or we we think. about, you know, the Lord, we we even. almost always we put con time. constraints. >> Yeah. On him. Like how do you think. without the constraints. >> Mhm. >> of time like. >> in your mind? You know what I mean? It's.

>> freaking wild, man. >> But then time gets real weird when you. get into the Old Testament. Like how old. was Noah? >> What? >> Well, yeah. What does that mean? >> They lived a long time. You know, that. that that kind of goes along with my. theory of uh. >> at the fall of man that literally. marring man's genetic code and how that. has just kind of progressively gotten. worse over time. >> It's possible, but it's also possible. that their interpretation of time is. different because they didn't understand. calendars. >> You know, that they what they considered. a year was not what we're talking about.

We're talking about a completely. different thing. >> You know, like we have such a limited. understanding just of human. civilization. I mean, there's the. there's new findings like constantly. that are completely throwing a monkey. wrench into the timeline of human. history. And you know, some of the. biggest ones are happening in Egypt. right now where they're finding. structures under through tomography. through these use of satellites. They're. finding these structures underneath the. pyramids that go down 2 kilometers deep.

Very controversial stuff, but they've. repeated it over and over again. There's. these these cylinders and there's coils. that seem to be wrapped around these. cylinders. They're hundreds of meters. deep and then there's more structures. underneath there. They're like, "Well, what is this?" Like, "Who made this?". Like the explaining the pyramids. themselves is impossible. They try. They. pretend. People were just smarter than. you think. Okay, maybe. But also crazy. that you've got this [ __ ] thing.

that's what 17 acres in its footprint. 2,300,000. stones. Some of them cut from a quarry. 500 miles away, placed hundreds of feet. in the ceiling. Some of them are 50 plus. tons that they've moved into these. positions. Cut perfectly. You can't even. a razor blade in between of them set to. perfect north, south, east, and west. And now you find out there's structures. underneath them that might go down two. kilometers. We might have a completely. [ __ ] up understanding of human. history. And it's very likely we do.

>> Yeah. That's a it's uh you know there's. a lot of speculation around I'm sure you. have had somebody on to talk about this. uh period of human history and scripture. where it talks about uh essentially. these angelic beings uh basically. procreating with. >> women human women. >> Yeah. >> And creating. >> some sort of hybrid race men of renown. >> with special knowledge. And.

you would it would seem that something. like that when you look at the example. and all of the stuff you just talked. about with the pyramids. like there was they were getting special. knowledge. >> There was something weird. >> from. from some source. I I don't know. Like. you said, we can't understand it, man. >> Well, we don't unfortunately because of. the burning of the library of. Alexandria, we have a limited. understanding of what was going on. But. what what they did accomplish that's. still there today baffles just baffles.

the greatest human minds. They're like. >> what I love about you is you're not. afraid to ask these questions, man. And. what you're doing here on the show, it's. like you're not afraid to dig into. anything. >> Well, I don't think you should be afraid. of questions and no one should be. >> But a lot of people's pride, >> you know, like. >> keep them from. >> Yeah, there's that. >> kind of asking those questions. I mean, >> well, people take themselves seriously, you know. I don't really take myself. very seriously, luckily. And I also am.

not married to my ideas. My ideas are. just ideas and they're not mine. They're. just ideas. And I'll entertain those. ideas. But if if they're wrong, I'll. say, "Oh, that's wrong. I thought this. This is why I thought that. This is what. turns out really is." And I think if you. can do that, you'll have a healthier. perspective. Just ask questions. Don't. be afraid to sound foolish because there. there's probably a reason why you want. to ask that question there. And maybe. there's a logical answer that'll make. you seem foolish for asking the question.

like, "Oh, okay. Now I get it." But. maybe not. And there's a lot of. assumptions that people cling to. And. boy, we found out a lot about that. during co. There's a lot of [ __ ] that. people just believe wholeheartedly. that's 100% not true. and you'll yell at. people about it and you'll [ __ ]. change people's lives and you'll treat. people like plague rats. >> and it's 100 you're 100% incorrect and. you've based your entire identity on. this information that's 100% incorrect.

and then years later you're still. justifying it because your ego won't. allow you to admit that you were. incorrect. You had made false. assumptions. You had gone down the wrong. way of thinking and here you are stuck. with this undeniable truth that's right. in front of your face. You were [ __ ]. wrong. You were wrong. You got played. You can't trust the government. You. can't trust the pharmaceutical drug. companies. You can't trust anybody. that's making a profit off of you. There. it is right in front of your face. And.

that's that's the problem with being. with taking yourself too seriously. That's a problem with being married to. your ideas. That's a problem to always. wanting to be right and always wanting. to sound intelligent. >> That's so good, Joe. This is so. impactful for me to hear you say that. because uh I have to share this with. you. Of course, I had a um I've told a. few of my close buddies and friends that. I was coming on the show today to have a. conversation with you. And it's amazing. people's response when you tell them.

that you're going to come and sit down. to the mighty Joe Rogan, >> the most powerful man on the internet. I've heard you called that. Uh I dude, I'm Don't Don't be offended by any of. that. This is just what people say. And. >> you know, I had so many people tell me, "Now Chad, when you go sit down with. Joe, you better just stick to what you. know.". And I'm like I'm sitting here like,

"Buddy, I don't know a whole lot." Like. when when you really get down like what. you said, man, like you're not you're. you're not. >> attached to your ideas and and they're. not a lot of times they're not even your. ideas. They're just you just think about. things deeply and you ask these. questions and. >> and when you live that way you you do. you you do come to the realization that. >> man there's very little that I actually. know when we define the word or the idea.

of knowing something and and even. scripture tells us any man that thinks. he knows anything hasn't known as he. ought to know. In other words, as soon. as you think you have the answers to. most things, you are totally backwards. You haven't known the the ultimate form. I think one of the ultimate forms of. knowledge or knowing is realizing that. you really don't know much. >> Absolutely. >> And but it's just funny that you you. talked about that and that was.

>> some of the advice I received. Uh. >> but if you only talk about the things. you know what you know. Yeah. But the. problem with that is like you're never. going to get anywhere. You got to be. able to talk about what you don't know. >> I agree. And uh. yeah, man. It's uh. people's people's perspective of what. you've built here and and uh you know. what you do and what you've. accomplished. I I think it's just like. so skewed like ju just based off of some.

of the conversations I had. You know. what I mean? >> Well, it's always going to get weird. when anything gets large. You know, people have their own opinions and their. own perceptions of things that are. successful. And. >> why do you keep going at this point? >> It's fun. >> You You enjoy it? >> I like it. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, I. like it. >> I enjoy it. It's enriching. I like. talking to people. I like learning new. things, like having interesting. conversations, fun conversations. >> What was your first kind of big break.

>> as a podcaster? as as a po I mean just. in general as a someone who's public. >> I guess the big one was Fear Factor you. know that was the one that kind of made. me famous. >> but what led you there. >> I was on a TV show before that called. News Radio was a sitcom. >> okay. >> I was on that and before that I was a. stand-up comic. and uh you know my trajectory has been. very slow which is good it's healthier.

for you can you get it better. Like, you. can deal with it cuz the worst thing. that ever happens is like a 20-year-old. kid becomes super famous. >> You're just [ __ ] You're [ __ ] You. just You're not going to be able to. handle that. You're going to be off the. rails. You just It's just too weird. The. world is the totally different place. Everybody knows who you are everywhere. you go. Everyone around you needs you. So, you have all these talking heads. around you that are kissing your ass. Your perception of the world is. completely distorted. you never had to.

truly develop your character. You know, you've you've got untold wealth, you. know, in your teens. Like, you can't. handle that. Nobody can handle that. No. child stars ever make it out and seem. normal. They're all [ __ ] It's like. cement where you you mix it wrong. You. know, there's not enough waters, not. enough sand, whatever it is, the the. formulation's wrong. It's you're never. going to fix it. You're going to fix it. after the fact. It's already formed. >> and uh it's a tragedy. But to get fame. slowly, as long as you're always working on your.

character, and one of the things that. will keep you sane when you're going. through fame in particular is voluntary. adversity, like particularly working. out. >> Man, that's good, brother. I can relate. to that, man. >> Oh, yeah. I know you're big into ultra. running and that kind of voluntary. adver. I saw you took up jiu-jitsu. recently, too, right? That looked fun. It's [ __ ] tiring, huh? For a guy with the kind of.

endurance that you have. Isn't it. amazing how tired you get? >> It was rough, dude. >> Bad rough. >> Yeah, jiu-jitsu is humiliating. It's. humbling. It's But there's a lot of. power in that humbling. It it it it. makes the rest of your life so much. easier. Really does. That that jiu-jitsu. was a huge factor in my sanity and my. ability to stay sane through everything. is that I'm getting humbled all the. time. Yeah. I'm exhausted all the time. Dudes are strangling me all the time.

you know, it was like you just kind like. so that kind of conflict was so. overwhelming but yet also positive and. uh and helped me so much with character. development, my understanding of myself. and what I was able to accomplish if I. worked hard enough that it allows you to. navigate the the weird waters of fame so. much easier. It's uh that's really. impactful to hear you say that, Joe, because I think that is is and has been.

my exact same experience, you know, and. we've been do we've I've been kind of. public for the last five years now. And. it's it's been kind of slow, but but. again, it kind of went big there for. like within two years. like it the. YouTube and stuff blew up to the point. that I'm nowhere obviously on the on the. level that you experience in your life. But you know, you can't go out in public. without somebody's going to stop. >> Well, you're at the level where I know.

who you are. >> in all these comments and all this. stuff. You know what I mean? But like. but like continuously choosing to do. these. challenges that like I don't even know. if I'm going to be able to do it. like. the the Yukon race, the the Yukon 1000. We didn't finish that. We went 435 miles. and uh David started having circulation. issues in his lower body because he's. paralyzed. Blood doesn't flow very well.

And like his leg is usually the size. just of his femur, you know, or his. bones. And by the third day, his legs. were the same size as my legs. and uh he. started to to develop these pressure. sores on his butt which is very very. dangerous for people who are paralyzed. just from sitting in that kayak for 18. hours a day. Um but like we didn't we. didn't complete that. Uh but we were out.

there like truly in the in truly in. wilderness like struggling. against not only the miles but just the. environment like I love to hear all. these hippie people talk about mother. earth. It's like mother earth will. freaking kill you son. You you talk you. talk about mother earth around me that. tells me one thing. You ain't spent much. time in nature. >> Yeah, exactly.

>> But man, we're out there just like. struggling through this and it and it. became something. >> that for my teammate it he physically. wasn't in a place that he could safely. continue. But like. that so refreshed me, dude. >> Yeah. >> Being out there, the experience, the the. the struggle. It's brutal, man. Like. 120, 130 mile days, 18 hour days in this.

kayaks. You're getting three hours of. sleep, having to cook all your food, do. it's all self-contained. But like I come. out the other end of that, man, I'm just. like so. >> dialed in. >> Dialed in, dude. >> Yeah. >> Without those experiences, >> I agree with you 100%, man. >> I think all men need voluntary. adversity. >> I think you need it. I think that's one. of the reasons why people are so filled. with anxiety and depression and I I. think you need to challenge yourself all.

the time and I think it needs to be. physical. I think it's not just a mental. thing. I think people need physical. challenge. I think it's a a very. important part for maintaining sanity. >> It is for me for sure. I I have to have. something you know on the micro level. daily. on the macro level, I have to. have maybe two things, big things a year. that that I that I look at and I'm like, I don't know if I can actually finish. that or not. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? And and then it.

forces me to to train, to learn, to. prepare, to plan. That's when you get if. if we want to move toward mental. toughness and how this kind of preps you. and keeps you going through life like. that's where all the mental toughness is. really built is through the training. process. Like on race day you shouldn't. be getting any more mentally tough on. race day. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. You waited too long. >> Yeah. But your brain is just a muscle.

like any other muscle in my in my. experience. >> Yeah. It's if you if you stop exercising. it and people want to act. >> like there are. >> people out there maybe like me or like. David Gogggins or these people that have. become so mentally tough that like we're. just good like we should be able to show. up anywhere anytime and perform and just. crush everyone. That that's not how it. works. Like every one of us, we have to.

prepare and train and train day in and. day out and go through the process in. order to perform. That's a neverending thing. But people. want to believe that you can just become. mentally tough and then possess that and. perform for the rest of your life. Yeah. No, >> they want to believe that because they. don't want to do the the work that's. required to actually perform at a high. high level, >> right? >> You know, it's almost like an out.

>> Yeah. >> That people want to take or believe in. >> Well, listen, man. I'm glad you're out. there. I appreciate you very much. I. appreciate you coming in doing the show. And uh three of project, it's on. YouTube. You want anything else? >> Uh just three of sevenpro.com if you. want to come train with us. That's what. I And that's my passion in life is is. not only my faith but teaching and. everything that we do is uh we have. training exercises, you know, once a month or something. And.

I'm out there with you, suffering with. you. >> Beautiful. >> And uh go check it out if you want to. come hang out. And Joe, man, I can't. thank you enough for your generosity. There's many times during that. conversation that you could have made me. look like a fool, I'm sure. >> And you had a lot of grace for me, brother. >> I enjoyed it very much. Thank you very. much. All. right. Bye everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].