Joe Rogan Experience #2355 - Mike Baker

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> We're up. We're up. >> Mike B. Mike Baker. What a good time to. talk to you. What a good time to have. you in. >> What a fine time. >> There's so much chaos. >> It's so. >> There's so much madness. >> Oh my god. >> Did you see the South Park episode? >> Which which which one? >> They did a Donald Trump one with Satan. >> No. No. It's [ __ ] hilarious.

>> I got I gota I love the show is. fantastic. I raised my three boys on. that show. Much to my wife's horror, but. it's a great show, but I haven't seen. that episode. >> It when you think like Bridget Fedesy. had a funny quote like when you think. that they have reached the bottom of the. highest level of not giving a [ __ ] they. reach unseen levels. >> It's just the whole the Epstein thing is. so crazy. like and him saying like, "What do you care? Why does everybody. care about Epste?" Like,

>> well, that's a Yeah, but it is. Look, I. mean, although again, going back to. South Park, uh, yeah, once they did the. Woodland Creatures episode all those. years ago, you thought, "Okay, that's. got to be the the worst they can get.". >> Which one was the Woodland Creatures? >> Oh my god, you got to look it up. It was. It's fantastic. It I I'm not going to do. it justice if I try to explain what it's. about. >> Well, remember when they did the gay. teacher where he had a [ __ ] off with. Paris Hilton, stuffed her up his ass? This was the other one. Critters. They're all cussing and. >> Oh, that's right. Oh, I forgot about.

that one. Yeah, >> that was 17 years ago. >> They don't give a [ __ ] dude. They They. haven't given a [ __ ] since the beginning. and it's the greatest show of all time. >> Yeah. Honestly, if if you said what. would be the best job that you could. have imagined, it would be being one of. those two guys working. >> They're killing it. And the thing is. like it's so beautiful because they have. cartoons and you can do things with. cartoons you could never do with real. people. You can kill them. They can [ __ ]. each other. They can stick things up. their ass.

Anything can happen because And it's. also they're not realistic cartoons. So. it's like you're somehow or another. detached from it. >> Yeah. No, they they they and if they. they did a documentary one time, I don't. know if you saw that. Oh yeah. Where. they they tracked the six days it takes. them to make the show. Okay. >> This trumpet with Satan. Satan. >> Satan's back. >> Satan's upset at Trump. It's very funny. Well, you remember the Satan and Diddy. episode. All the That was fantastic, too. I didn't see that one. >> Oh, the Satan Diddy episode and then. they had the the uh the mass murderers.

and No, this was this was a few years. back, too. It was a Diddy party and he. he wanted to. >> Yeah, it's a long story. He wanted a. Lamborghini cake, but you know, it was. like uh the devil wanted it and they. said, "No, Diddy did it already." And. it's it's fantastic. >> Remember when they had the movie with. Sodom Hussein and Sodom Hussein was in a. gay relationship with Satan? Oh god, we'd spend the entire time. People are like, "Oh, are they going to. talk about this the whole time?" But uh. yeah, >> the scene stuff is so crazy because when. Cash Patel was on here and he was like,

"There's no there's nothing." And I was. like, "What are you talking?" Yeah. >> I didn't even know what to say. My. thought was, and people are like, "Why. didn't you push back more?" My thought. was like, I'm just going to put this out. there and let the internet do its work. cuz there's nothing I could The guy's. saying there's no tapes, there's no. video. That doesn't make any sense. Everyone knows it doesn't make any. sense. Let's just And then he didn't know about. the m the Michael Baden stuff, the. autopsy stuff where it showed that he. had three broken bones in his neck, which never happens when you hang. yourself.

>> Even when you like leap from somewhere. with a rope around your neck and it. snaps your neck, you never have three. broken prison cell. He's not launching. himself off the first floor balcony. >> The whole thing was nuts. And then they. he's like, "Well, we have a film. We're. going to release that film." And the. film has a [ __ ] minute missing from. it. Yeah. >> Like do you think we're babies? Like. what is this? >> Also, you got you got people make. including Dampong, right? Making bank. for a couple of years talking about how. awful it is and we got to get this [ __ ]. and this is this huge conspiracy and and.

then you release a two-day, you know, a. two-page memo that says, "Yeah, there's. nothing to see here.". >> Yeah. Because you're walking by your. bedroom window and you see a little. laser, little red laser moving across. your chest. >> Yeah. But it's so it's it really is. It's so Look, you know me, I'm not a I'm. not a conspiracy guy. you are today. But. I am today. Today I'm I'm fully on board. with this yet. Um. >> everybody's in today. >> Yeah. No, but you they're actually doing. right as we as we speak. Um and I find. this fascinating is that the uh the.

assistant attorney general, Todd Blanch, is down in Florida for an interview with. Gileain Maxwell and she's serving 20. years in in a Florida prison for sex. trafficking. Right. >> To who though? >> Um what's that? >> To who? Well, she he's down there to. interview her. >> But I'm saying she's she's sex. trafficked to Well, she was a a. co-conspirator of Epstein's, right? >> But don't you have to have a person who. you're sex trafficking too? >> Exactly. And they talked about the. victims somewhat during her trial. It. was very I mean it was it was a very.

difficult trial in the sense of, you. know, they're they're trying to protect. certain victims and and others were. coming forward. But you know, my. surprise was nobody from DOJ has ever, according to her legal team, nobody has. ever interviewed her from DOJ, right? Department of Justice. So this is the. first time the Department of Justice, you're telling me. And meanwhile, up on. Capitol Hill, you got Democrats like. Adam Schiff and others going, "We have. got to release these [ __ ] files.". They had four years under the previous. administration, right? Look, everybody's.

[ __ ] in this in this situation, but. they had all that time to do whatever. they wanted to do. Nobody up until this. point apparently has talked to her. Now, you know, some folks on the legal side. are saying, "Well, look, if she had. anything interesting to say, she would. have said it during the course of her. trial, right? To save herself or to cut. a deal.". >> No. >> Uh, but now. >> I don't think so. I don't kill her. >> Yeah. Well, >> the smartest thing for her to do is to. keep her [ __ ] mouth shut, which is. what she did. They put her in a cushy. prison where she could do yoga. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yoga in prison. That.

doesn't sound good. >> Here's one of my favorite ones. I'm. going to I'm going to send you this. Jamie cuz this somebody tweeted this and. it's just so perfect and it's it just. shows you how crazy this this whole. thing has been like from the very. beginning. This is uh someone tweeted. this from the Atlantic. And this is what. what what's funny about this. Um check this out, James. So it's these. [ __ ] people. It's like. they all knew her. They all knew him. So.

many people knew him and knew her and. they're all pretending that they didn't. and no one knew. Check this out. >> This is the Atlantic says. >> Scroll. Go up beggar so we can see it. So we can see the quote below it. Below. it. >> I'm trying. I'm trying. >> I zoomed. >> No, go back. >> No, I know. I zoomed. >> There we go. I can't read it. >> There it goes. Uh, this is what the. Atlantic posts. If the Epstein scandal. teaches us anything, it's that America. needs a dedicated and decently funded.

group of people whose job it is not to. just ask questions, but to find answers. And then this guy Shawn Davis posts, "The woman on the right is Gain Maxwell. She trafficked children for Jeffrey. Epstein. The woman on the left owns your. magazine.". >> This is so [ __ ] wild. Just that alone. is so wild that they would have the. balls to post that. We need dedicated. journalists, not just people asking.

questions, which is like for sure an. attack on podcasts. >> Like listen, you guys didn't do. >> [ __ ]. >> You didn't do [ __ ] So just asking just. the fact that we're just asking. questions along with that or is this a. knock on the defunding of PBS which is. essentially a propaganda network for the. Democratic party. >> Yeah. Which is now being apparently. we'll see if that happens but apparently. being defunded. >> But yeah look everybody's everybody's. worried now right. No, at first it was.

like, okay, again, I go back a handful. of years. Nobody was was pushing for. this, right? Because you got people from. all sides probably on whatever that list. looks like, whatever that Epstein file. looks like, whoever was involved. You. got people from all sides of the. spectrum here going on. And so. everybody's worried. So it looked like, all right, you know, there's kind of. this bizarre bipartisan moment where. we're not going to push for this really. We're not going to make a big effort. here. We're not sending anybody from.

DOJ. The Dems aren't during the Biden. administration calling for the release. of the files. Now all of a sudden they. smell, you know, blood in the water and. a particular, you know, political. motivation here. So, let's get these. files out. And, you know, nobody's going. to look good from this. But I, again, I. I I would caution some, you know, just. because a name might be in a file, no. matter whose it is, right, doesn't. necessarily mean there's nefarious. activity. It could be like any any. police file, right, that says, "Okay, the individual stopped at this. particular location and this person was.

there." Doesn't mean they're connected. to something awful. They weren't [ __ ]. underage girls. Maybe they were if. they're in the file, right? But I'm just. saying there's a lot of people probably. in that file that are going to be named. if it ever comes out who may or may not. have been engaged in in in uh illegal. activity, but just release the goddamn. things. >> Yeah, there's probably a lot of people. who just went there. Did I send you that. thing where this guy was breaking? Did I. say NPR or PBS earlier? I meant NPR, I. think. >> Did I send you that thing, that link. where this guy is breaking down all the. different tweets that the lady who is.

the CEO of NPR made? >> I don't think so. >> She's getting questioned on whether or. not she's biased. And then this guy like. goes over all the different tweets. God. damn it. I know I saved it, but I should. have I should have be been prepared. I. know I have it in here because it's so. funny. It's so funny listening to her. See if you can f You might be able to. find it. >> I just think I just found it. >> But of course, you found it. Beautiful. Because it's it's so adorable. This. pretending that this was an unbiased.

news source. >> This directly from her own account. >> Well, this is one of them, but let's one. guy broke it down. >> Sorry. >> Maybe I sent it to Dave Smith. >> We'll find it. >> Yeah. But again, anybody who at this. stage of the game thinks that the media, you know, doesn't have an agenda, that. they're not complicit in one way or. another with whatever may be, come on. >> Yeah. It's a joke.

>> It's a joke. And they're all funded and. there I mean, the fact that the. government was funding NPR is crazy. Like. >> this you you can't have a completely. biased onesided media organization. that's funded by the government and. taxpayers. That's crazy. and they went. over all the amount of people that were. on NPR that were Democrats and it's. 100%. Yeah. >> It's like out of 87 people it's 100%. >> So and look at the New York Times. I. mean so that none of that should be a. surprise to anybody who's. >> But the New York Times privately funded.

company. I mean it's like NPR relied on. tax money and there's this giant outrage. that the government's going to defund. it. Well, a lot. And what they're trying. to do is they're trying to couch it as. saying, "Look, you're you're taking. away, you know, the only source of news. for, you know, rural locations, for. example. Like you got some place up in. North Dakota that, you know, has no. other access, and so they rely on NPR. for their their news." I don't know a. lot of people up in North Dakota that. say, "I wonder what NPR is saying about. this.". >> Well, and not just that, but it's like. at the end of the day, the reality is.

the internet exists. Yeah. And we don't. need you don't need to fund publicly. fund something that's clearly biased. when the internet exists, right? You can. get whatever you want. If you want to. just absorb and consume only left-wing. media, there's so much available you can. go find it. But our tax dollars should. not be going to that. >> No. No. And and to be fair, if anybody. wants to know what the hell's going on. in the news, they can just listen to the. President's Daily Brief podcast, frankly. >> Oh, your your podcast. >> I'm good. Right. Yeah. That's that's.

some Yeah. Boy, I just stuck that in. there. I can't find this [ __ ] thing. >> Yeah. >> Did you find it? >> As far as you. >> Let's hear it. >> Show me a story that concerns you. >> That's fantastic. >> As far as the accusations that were. biased, I would stand up and say, "Please show me a story that concerns. you because we want to know and we want. to bring that conversation back to our. newsroom.". >> And then they have all these. >> and then all these. >> fat phobia and its racist past and. present. Some white people may choose. thumbs up because it feels neutral, but.

some academics argue that opting out. What does that mean? Thumbs up signals. lacks awareness about white privilege, akin to society associating whiteness. with being raceless. What? God, >> what does that mean? >> Or how about how racism became a. marketing tool for country music? >> Oh, yeah. That's a good one. >> God, >> this right-wing conspiracy theory about. eating bugs is about as racist as you. think. No, that's like literally this is. And then here's another great quote that. she said. If you look on the right side,

Jamie, where it says, "The truth is a. distraction from getting things done.". That is such a [ __ ] Orwellian thing. to say. Click on that just so you can. hear her say this cuz it's it's so. bananas that someone would say this out. loud and not think it's. >> One of the most significant differences. critical for moving from polarization to. productivity. >> is that the Wikipedians who write these. articles aren't actually focused on. finding the truth. Oh no, >> they're working for something that's a. little bit more attainable, which is the.

best of what we can know right now. And after seven years there, I actually. believe that they're on to something. >> that for our most tricky disagreements, seeking the truth and seeking to. convince others of the truth isn't. necessarily the best place to start. In. fact, I think our reverence for the. truth might become might have become. >> what. >> a bit of a distraction that is. preventing us from finding consensus and. getting important things done. >> What?

>> Oh my god, that's fantastic. I. >> wild is that and you want government. money? That is such a wild thing to say. >> You know, going for the truth as a. journalist. No, no, >> it's not important. >> No, it's not important. >> It's a distraction. The truth is a. distraction. >> You know what I hate? I hate that. And. you see that all the time and I don't. know whether that is a TED talk or not, but I as soon as I see that type of. forum where they're they're earnestly. standing there and they got their little. mouthpiece there around there and. they're talking and they're they're. looking out into the distance and you.

you think, "Oh, climb out of your own. [ __ ] ass." Right. It's just awful. >> Yeah. I don't I don't like any of those. things. >> Yeah. Um. >> I don't like that little Bobby Brown. microphone either. >> Unless you're on stage. >> The Bobby Brown. Yeah. I remember. >> we used to sing with that. Yeah, step I. take. >> Yeah. Oh, sorry. That's step on your. line. I'll join in for the chorus. >> I don't like those little microphones. Hold the microphone like a real [ __ ]. human. >> It's a madness.

That video clip is madness. That's a. piece of madness. That's a crazy thing. to say. >> The truth gets in the way. I will say. that that the the Epstein. um the Epstein situation is going to be. so disappointing to so many people now. because. um I have this theory that nothing ever. gets done in Washington DC, right? Investigations go to die there. Nothing. ever happens. There's never any real. consequences of any nature. And we got. all sorts of things happening right now, right? So, so the Epstein case is just.

one of them. But right now, you've got. you've got the Dems focused on Epstein. because, you know, again, they they see. this good opportunity here to go after. Trump regardless of who else is in the. files, right? And and the Dems, I think, were worried for quite some time and. didn't pursue it because, you know, years back they were thinking, okay, Clinton's going to be embarrassed. We. don't want that, right? >> So, again, my point would be just. release everything. I don't understand. how if you just look at the way that. they handled this logistically,

whoever thought because the mob wants to. eat, right? And they've been throwing. red meat to the mob about Epstein files. now for for years. Part of how they got. elected, >> right? And so whoever in their. communications group or in their. strategic thinking arena in the. administration thought, you know, that. we can get away with just saying there's. nothing to see here, they should be. fired, right? because there's no way you. can satisfy this this mob. And now the. mob is oddly bipartisan because it's got. the Dems and it's got, you know, part of. the base of of Trump in there. >> Yeah.

>> And they're all, you know, screaming to. have this, god damn it, just release. this [ __ ] Otherwise, this is going to. be around like Martin Luther King and. John F. Kennedy and. >> Well, that's what's crazy. They did. release more Martin Luther King docu. Yeah. documents, which is really crazy. Like why are you holding secrets about. the murder of one of the most beloved. historical figures of all time? Yeah. >> From 1968. >> Part of that. Yeah. Part of that's a family request. The family has asked, you know, in the.

past on a number of occasions, they they. they really don't want some of this. because some of it, look, some of it. salacious about, you know, Martin. Luther, which doesn't take away from. everything that he did, right, as as a. leader of a cause in a movement. Uh but. some of it is, you know, >> extrammarital affairs and things. >> So there's been some push to be. concerned about that. But but yeah, now. do the Epstein files. >> Well, they'll do it in the same amount. of time, 56 years from now. >> Just like they did with him. It's 56. [ __ ] years later they released this.

stuff. >> This and and and we're still not any. closer to I mean Yeah. Again, I don't. want to disappear down that rabbit hole, but we're still any closer with Martin. Luther King. I'm, you know, again, not a. conspiracy guy except today apparently, but there's there's [ __ ] there. >> Well, you said you've said multiple. times that if there's one that you think. looks really bad, it's that one. >> It's that one. But I I going back to I I. know I'm bouncing around here, but going. back to the Epste. I don't understand. how they handled this so poorly, right, for Pam Bondi to to come out and talk. about the files and all just and then.

like within a blink of an eye, they come. out with this [ __ ] Sunday night memo. saying there's nothing to see. How could. there lack of coordination? >> Yeah, I do. I do. I think I think it's a. a messaging problem is always kind of a. key element of the Trump administration, whether it's this one or not. And look, that's not a you know, I'm not knocking. a lot of the policies. I like a lot of. the policies that come out of this this. administration, this one and the in the. previous the first administration. But. I'm just saying a hallmark of a Trump. administration is uh the ability to uh.

have a self-inflicted wound. you know, shoot yourself in the foot because of. messaging usually, right? So, I think. they they've done it again and I don't. see how they I don't see how they walked. this back. They're trying to, I think, with this interview with Gileain Maxwell. to say, "Look, we're trying. We're we're. talking to her." You know, >> but how does Pam Bondi say we have. thousands of hours of footage and then. Cash Patel says, "We don't have anything. that you're looking for.". >> Yeah. >> And then Tim Dylan said he has lunch. with JD Vance. And JD Vance says that.

10,000 hours is commercial pornography, >> right? Yeah. You think this freak show. of Epstein wasn't like it didn't have. hidden cameras or wasn't taped and [ __ ]. or what? >> 100%. Well, that was the thing about. that house. That house they had in New. York City, which is, by the way, for. sale. And really? Yeah. Nobody wants to. buy it. Like, you want to buy Epstein's. house? >> Do the cameras convey? >> Well, this is the thing. I mean, you got. to gut the walls. How are you going to. know what the [ __ ] is in there? Yeah. >> Imagine you're walking around your house. naked and you think that the CIA has got.

or your your freaking your organization. or whoever it is to be fair agencing. I mean, I'm just guessing. I have no. idea. But there's [ __ ] pinhole. cameras all over that house. >> Yeah. Yeah. You have to start from that. perception, right? Because again, if. anything else, and you're just being. naive, if you think, "No, there's. nothing." again. >> You got to take it down to the bare. beams. >> You got to strip the wall board off. You.

got to [ __ ] every baseboard. You got. to pull everything. >> It's like [ __ ] knows what's in that. house. >> We had a we had a a situation in Moscow. one time where. we were building uh it was the new. embassy, the US embassy in Moscow, right? And for some reason, you know, part of the deal was to allow Russian. contractors to work on the construction. of this. You know, what the [ __ ] you. know? So, but it's a it's a government. thing, you know, and so you can imagine. there's like to your point, there's not. a lot of coordination. So, you know, the.

Russian contractors thinking, "Oh, this. is great. We're helping to construct the. US embassy and they know there's going. to be sensitive areas within there, the. station, you know, for the for the. agency and and other areas." Uh, anyway, at a certain point, they're they're just. about finished with construction. And. just by h not by happen stance, I mean. there were efforts to try to um examine. what the Russians were doing, right? So. the security side of things, they were. concerned about the fact that the. Russians were working on it. You know, you had the State Department and others.

that were like, "No, it's a good idea. You know, it helps with diplomacy." So. the security guys were doing things. They were x-raying, you know, parts of. materials that were coming in for the. construction. And apparently at one. point uh what was going on was the. Russians were um installing listening. devices inside the rebar right of the of. the construction process. And apparently. at one point they you know one of the. wires on the on one of these uh uh. communications devices that was stuck in. there had broken. And so they soldered.

it. The Russians did. They soldered it. with aluminum that showed up when they. were X-raying um that particular large. bit of of material that they were going. to install and that was the way that. they found out and they said, "What the. fuck?" Then they had to tear the entire. goddamn thing down. I forget. I think it. was two or three different floors of. this embassy. They had to remove they. bit by bit shipped it back to the states. to to examine fully and and it was just. loaded with with listening devices by. the Russians. Right. So, it's going to. be the same at the long story short,

it's the same at Epstein's place. You. got to tear it down. >> Yeah, it's a nice house, too. And it's. like right right on the park. Yeah. >> And I was like, wonder why that's still. for sale. >> And that asking for it, do you think? >> I think it's like 60 or 70 million. >> Oh, I might find it. >> It's pretty dope. >> 2021 for 51 million. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> But it's for sale now though, right? >> That I didn't see. >> I'm pretty sure it's for sale right now. >> I wonder if it gets a premium because. it's Epstein's place. You know, you. know, like a celebrity premium for a. home. I wonder if that's the case. You.

know, >> you'd have to be a [ __ ] complete. psycho to want to live in that guy's. house. >> Same guy's going to buy Diddy Spot. Um, yeah. I I don't know what the. >> [ __ ] God. But there's So, you've got. you've got the Epstein thing going on. >> Like, how does that get resolved? >> This is the question. Like, if you are. the administration, you're looking at. this puzzle and you're trying to figure. out how to make this a PR win. Too late. for that. What? What the [ __ ] can you do. at this point? Is it for sale?

>> 5 mil two years ago, it says. >> Holy [ __ ]. >> Is it not for sale right now? >> Not according to Zillow. >> Zero bedrooms, only one bath. That's not. a very nice place. >> It's just one big [ __ ] hall. >> It's just Yeah, we call it the playroom. And this is the house. Look at that. Oh. my god. Looks like it 65 million bucks. in Manhattan. >> What the hell? The wild thing is though, it's like right on the street. Like. anybody can come to your door and just. knock on your door like walking by.

>> Yeah. Prince Andrew. >> It's weird. Living there is weird. >> Yeah. Look at Look at that. >> Meanwhile, no one can explain where he. got the money. No one can explain why he. got so rich, you know. And Eric. Weinstein, who is like a legit financial. guy, said he talked to him. He had a. meeting with him once. He's like it was. really clear that he's a construct. He's. like he doesn't know what he's talking. about. He doesn't know anything. >> Yeah. >> That's not for sale right now. It didn't. say it was. >> Oh, it's it's listed on Zillow but not. for sale. It's like everything's still. on Zillow kind of.

>> Like it was for sale. >> Yeah, look it up. Okay. >> Maybe there's another service that's cuz. sometimes Zillow doesn't have all the. stuff cuz someone I know was looking at. it. >> Yeah. Maybe it's on cheap old houses. That's a good site. Yeah. >> Um. >> it's a bargain. >> It's a fix up though. Yeah. >> But like you'd have to go through that. house. So you'd have to hire like the. top of the food chain security experts. to go and they would probably recommend. you take that house apart. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you did. you'd you could do a a.

sweep of the thing and and you know, but. that's not going to guarantee, right? You really have to pull the walls down. and and look because I I again, maybe. I'm wrong. does never say never, but I. can't imagine that that that a a psycho. like like Epstein, you know, wasn't. enjoying videoing, you know, some of the. activity that was going on for sure. Yeah. Anyway, >> so what do you think from your. perspective? What do you think that was. all about? Who do you think was involved.

in that? Do you think it was the MSAD? Do you think it was. >> some rogue intelligence agency in. America? Was it a coordinated effort? >> You know what? I I know there's you know. there's a lot of talk about you know did. he have some sort of intel connection. right that uh you know from my. perspective it's complete speculation. but I will say look from an operational. perspective I I have no idea was it MS. was it anybody who knows right but from. an operational perspective if you see a. guy like this who's super connected and.

is and you know all the way back to what. 2008 was like his first trial right so. he's had a long history of this these. problems but if you know that he's kind. of engaged in a variety of things. Um, as an example, if I'm the if I'm Chinese. intel, right, and I I just read the. goddamn entertainment news and, you. know, there's these rumors and. allegations of, you know, highle people. flying off to his island, I'm going to. think that's interesting because. potentially if I could get an accessed.

source there, if I can get somebody. right inside that operation, whether. it's Gain Maxwell, whether it's Epstein. himself, whether it's somebody who's. just on the outskirts of it, maybe I'll. I'll start picking up some pretty. interesting leverable information on. people that maybe I want to influence. >> And it's so funny to me that it's always. comes down to like carnal needs. >> and carnal desires. It's always sex. because these guys when you get to like. this Bill Gates level and Bill Clinton.

level, you can't just go pick up gals at. the bar. >> Yeah. It's a little tough. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're a super famous super freak. and you know you you like chasing skirts. but you know you can't do it like what. do you do? >> Well you do what he did right which is. you get you know somebody to procure for. you which apparently was primarily. Maxwell's job and she's out there and. and you know she was described you know. usually as his girlfriend but she was. clearly operating as his pimp or. whatever the female version of a pimp. is. >> Yeah. Curator.

>> Curator. Yeah. A curator. And so he's, you know, she's out there doing that. But look, again, you know, I I can't. speak to, you know, you know, the the. rumors about him working for one intel. agency or another. But I will say if I'm. working for an intel agency and I see. something like that, >> uh, yeah, I might find that of interest, right? And then I would I would. definitely go after somebody to see. what's going on. Just if for no other. reason, then, you know, again, maybe. it's a it's a opportunity there, you. know. Well, it's the easiest connect the.

dots puzzle of all time. You got rich, powerful people and hot chicks and. probably drugs and cameras. >> Yeah. And and I tell you, the Russians. love nothing better than, >> you know, the the truth. the reality is in terms of recruiting an. asset, recruiting an asset by using. blackmail is is is tough, right? You got. to you got to that window starts closing. immediately, right? In terms of their. operational usefulness, right? because. there there's a lot of there's a lot of. issues there, right? You're you're. you're you're blackmailing somebody for.

their cooperation. At some point, that's. going to go south on you, right? It's. not like you've recruited somebody for. ideological reasons, right? Or even. something as as straightforward as like. they need the money because their kid's. sick or whatever it may be. So, blackmails, but having said that, look, the the the Russians in particular love. that, right? and and um Chinese intel, they'll do whatever works from their. perspective. Um you know, the agency, again, people are going to say that's. [ __ ] The agency tries, they they.

they blackmail is never really ever on. the table as an option because it always. leads to a problem. Uh and and sometimes. those problems can be very very bad in. terms what way what do you mean? >> Well, you know, the asset will turn on. you, right? Next thing you know, um, you. know, you've got a an agent working now, a double agent working for the other. side, right? Because they're just. they're so [ __ ] over by the fact that. they've been blackmailed and at some. point they lose their [ __ ] They decide.

to to roll for the other side that. >> aren't you like constantly monitoring. them and looking at their phone? >> There's only so much. No, not there's. only so much you can do, right? in terms. of um maintaining particularly with with. a with a hard target particularly with a. an asset who's in a difficult or. challenging environment you know Paris. and you've got limited access to them. whatever it may be so you're really. relying on on clandestine communications. you don't have a lot of face tof face. meetings um and at some point you never. know when things are heading south right. and then the next thing you know look.

you know that so it's that's a that's. the operational reason for trying to. avoid blackmail right um has it ever. been done well Yeah. I mean, I'm not. saying it hasn't been done, of course, >> but some services go to it much quicker. than others do. Yeah. And which. services? >> And I would Well, again, the Russians. are primary users of of something like. that. They don't because they they've. got a shotgun approach. Yeah. Israelis. have have been known to do that in the. honeypot operations that they'll do and. other things, but the Russians throw a. lot of [ __ ] at the wall and see what. sticks, right? It's a very much a. shotgun approach, right? And, you know,

honestly, sometimes, you know, that that. can work, right? Wasn't that kind of if. you thought about this island, if you're. bringing award-winning scientists, like famous people, politicians, world. leaders, all to one place, you're. basically throwing as much [ __ ] against. the wall as you can. And then you have. all this stuff on all these different. people and they know it. And so then you. just kind of like, wasn't there like. some CEO that had to step down because. he wound up giving Epstein, it was found.

out that he gave Epstein like $150. million that they couldn't explain why. >> Wow. >> Wasn't that wasn't that the case, Jamie? >> So, it's one of those things where. there's obviously value in having all. these people on your side. >> Yeah. >> But when you do get all this information. on these people, like what are they. trying to accomplish with it? This is. the question. Are they trying to get. support for. a policy to step down after firm finds. more payments to Jeffrey Epstein? 158.

million. >> He paid the convicted sex offender 158. million. >> What does it If you can Can you scroll. down a little bit, Jamie? >> Yeah. His plan to step down as chief. I I've. advised the Apollo board that I will. retire as CEO before my seventh birth. 70th birthday in July. Remain as. chairman. I know he's going to remain as. a chairman. Uh, New York Times detailed. at least 75 million in payments and. found that Mr. Black had paid Epstein. 158 million in a 5-year period ending in.

2017. He also lent Mr. Epstein more than 30. million, only 10 million of which he was. paid back. >> So, that's a guy that they got something. on here. >> I love this. He Leon Leon viewed uh. Epstein as a confirmed bachelor with. eclectic tastes. M. >> this was after his 2008 guilty plea. >> Yeah. >> Wow. Um. >> yeah, Mr. Epstein's advice was worth. perhaps two billion in tax savings to.

Mr. Black according to the report. >> Right. >> What? >> But this is again this is what Weinstein. said Eric said that there's like this. guy is not. >> he's not good. He doesn't know what he's. talking about. Like he wasn't a good. financial adviser. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think part of it is. you can say, okay, why was he collecting. people around him? Why was he do were. was he keeping a file, right? You still. have to figure out what that file looks. like. Um, you know, part of it could. have been initially self-preservation, right? I mean, he's engaged in all sorts. of activity. He gets a few people into.

it, then suddenly, you know, he doesn't. look so bad, right? And he's kind of. protecting himself because now I'm. surrounded by people who also have to. keep that secret, right? So, but then. but then the question becomes, you know, is at what point is he or somebody in. his little tight circle there? Are they. approached, right, by by anybody who's. interested in some of these folks? Well, we don't know because we don't know who. the [ __ ] in these files, >> right? So, >> or if the files even exist, >> if the files even exist and apparently, you know, there's nothing in there. according to Pam Bondi. >> and Cash Patel. The whole thing's nuts.

>> Yeah. And then, you know, the have Bon. Gino and Cash Patel saying he definitely. killed himself. Like, what? Yeah. >> What? Okay. This just the level of. convenience. It's so convenient that the. guards were asleep. So convenient that. the cameras didn't work. >> So convenient that years later you have. a recording of the outside of the cell, but a minute is missing from it. >> Three minutes. >> Yeah. >> 3 minutes. >> Yeah. They found out it was like almost. 3 minutes was missing. >> Two minutes. Like 53 seconds.

>> It's like the missing Watergate tape. Oh, I thought it was. >> started. It started off as a minute and. then people kept looking in the metadata. and metadata like, "Okay, it was saved. this many times and actually up to 3. minutes missing.". >> God. Okay, >> that's plenty of time to kill somebody. 3 minutes is more than enough time. >> Oh, 3 minutes. You could get a whole. bunch of people killed by then. >> You saw that guy that was his cellmate, too, right? >> Yeah. >> Guy is a [ __ ] gigantic human being. >> A huge guy who was a mass murderer who. had killed multiple people. a bad cop.

who was built like a brick [ __ ] [ __ ]. house. The kind of guy that you could. really easily get to strangle somebody. It would take him. >> I could kill him in 30 seconds. How's. this [ __ ] giant dude could do it. easy? Metadata from Raw Epstein. No. thanks. >> Metadata from Raw Epstein prison video. shows approximately 2 minutes and 53. seconds were removed. >> from one of the two stitched together. clips. The cut starts off at the missing. minute. Wow.

>> Weird. >> Yeah. Shocker. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, a guy like that decides. Yeah. He's going to off himself. I. again, >> but here's the thing. It's like these. guys that are all involved in this are. still they've been around for a long. time and they have this mentality that. existed before the internet where you. could just kind of put stuff out there. >> and you wouldn't have all these psycho. sleuths out there that are going to go. over everything with a fine tooth comb. especially guys who are tech wizards who. can look at the metadata and he can. figure this kind of stuff out.

>> Well, [ __ ] died a lot quicker. You're. right. So, something would happen and. look, we we still have ADHD, right? Collectively as a nation, right? I mean, things move on. And I think maybe that's. what they're, you know, some people are. saying, look, they've called the recess. on Capitol Hill because they figure by. the time they come back in September, everybody will have moved on from this, right? I think they're wrong. I don't I. don't think this is this again this this. feels like and and just looks like that. one of those handful of conspiracies. again you go to JFK or whomever that's. just going to hang around. >> This is a line in the sand. This one's a.

line in the sand because this is one. where there's a lot of stuff about. >> you know when we thought Trump was going. to come in and a lot of things are going. to be resolved. We're going to drain the. swamp. We're going to figure everything. out. And when you have this one hardcore. line in the sand that everybody have. been talking about forever and then. they're trying to gaslight you on that. >> Well, you would have thought that your. phone. >> Yeah. I hope not. Oh, >> it's my wife. Should I answer? >> Yeah, it's on. You know, it was on.

silent, but it still goes. How does that. happen? >> It literally is on silent. And. >> are you sure? >> Yeah. No, I'm positive cuz it's got a. little thing up top that says silent. And uh my phone's compromised. My phone. is CIA doesn't trust you. You're friends. with me. Well, >> they don't trust you anymore. >> They did call me this morning. What are. you gonna talk about? I. >> I don't know. >> Do they ever talk to you about that? They ever have questions about your. appearances here? >> No. No. In fact, and I I'm I'm in the. building on occasion and and uh we're. actually working on a on a show that's. going to be it's going to be a great TV.

show based on this this amazing museum. that's inside agency headquarters. Uh. but nobody ever nobody ever says that. They you know, they don't we have a. really nice relationship. They don't. tell me what to say. If I go on TV to. talk about something, they just like, you know, they they it's not like. they're going to call up and say, "Well, here's our here's our view on this.". They trust you. Yeah. They trust me. I'm. not going to open my yap and talk. sources and methods. And at the same. time, you know, I'm just going to try to. just talk from an operational. perspective, but yeah. So, so that was. my wife, which reminds me, it's my boy.

uh Mugsy's birthday today. >> Happy birthday, Mugsy. >> Yeah. Thank you very much. with a with a. thing like this, what is the general. feeling about people that you talk to. that are still in the agency or people. that are still involved in the. government, like how are they feeling. about this? Cuz like the general public. is outraged, right? Yeah. >> Do the people inside, are they. frustrated? Like people that wanted this. stuff to expose to be exposed? >> Yeah. You know, it's funny because with. the agency, it's not like the bureau. The agency I think most people honestly.

don't really probably give a [ __ ] about. the Epstein files. They're more they're. more concerned now about this release. from Tulsi Gabbard and the talk about, you know, manipulating intelligence, you. know, for the 2016 election and Russian. collusion and all of that. That speaks. more to the agency than than the Epstein. files does just from a, you know, whose. responsibility is whose, right? This is. Epstein thing is a DOJ FBI issue. Um, I. think if they're concerned about it, it's because of how it erodess trust in.

organizations, institutions, right? And. and that's happened a a lot. So, you. know, I there's a lot of lot of good. people. I know again every time I talk. about the agency, people are like, "Fuck. you. You're such a shill, but there's a. lot of good people doing very difficult. work for the agency." I believe that. I. believe that. And and so, you know, I. think if anything, they. >> they take it personally when people. think, "Ah, [ __ ] the CIA. You got to you. got to burn it down and start over. again. You know, like they said with the. FBI as well. >> I've talked about that many times. Like. you don't know what the [ __ ] is going on.

in the world. The world is filled with. chaos. Like you need people that are. paying attention to that [ __ ] And they. should be on your side. >> Yeah. >> They should be on the side of the. American people paying attention to. threats. If you'd think that that's that. paying attention at all is going to do. you any good when there's all these. countries out there that are [ __ ]. plotting constantly, you're crazy. >> Yeah. >> This is a you're living in a utopia. You're living in a fake world. the real. world is filled with madness. >> and you gota have people paying. attention to it. >> Yeah. But I think so I think that you. know to answer that that question I.

think they're more they're more. focused on or interested in or you know. looking at this issue of you know and. and it's it's surfaced again right the. same time as the Epstein files right now. it's like sucking all the oxygen out of. the room for the past couple of days. Tulsi Gabbard comes out and says I'm. releasing these documents. She releases. these documents. >> What do you think about all that? Like, so this is the accusation. They're. they're they're throwing around the word. treason. They're saying that Obama knew. that Russia did not meddle in the. election, did not have any impact in the.

election, but yet promoted this idea. And then there's been some incredible. clips of all these different news. reporters, CNN and MSNBC, just saying. over and over and over again, clear. evidence of Russian collusion. And. >> Yeah. Yeah. And you got Hillary Clinton. saying, you know, there's is a, you. know, an air of illegitimacy around. Trump's, you know, victory, you know, from 2016 because of this. I mean, she. was very clear about it. Um, and as were. many others, right? >> The news is tightening on Trump. It's.

all going to come out. He's an agent of. Russia. >> Yeah. Adam Schiff coming out on camera. numerous times saying, you know, I can't. tell you what I've seen, but I've seen. things that's a lot more than. circumstantial evidence about this. collusion. So yeah, they but again it's. it's much more comp it's always the same. thing. It's much more complex than what. folks tend to hear just in like a two. and a half or three minute news segment, right? So the Democrats want you to. think there's nothing to see here in. these documents. How could you possibly.

spend time doing this? You're just. trying to distract from the the Epstein. files. Um and the Republicans are saying. Obama committed treason, right? The. reality is, as it oftentimes is, is is. somewhere in that middle right there. They there there's a lot of conflating. of of issues here. So, nobody is questioning, not Republicans. or Democrats, nobody's questioning that. the Russians meddled in the election. just like they did in the previous one, just like they did in this last one.

Just like they're always they've been. meddling since World War II, right? Since the end of of World War II, they've they've always had an interest. in influencing US politics. >> Now, when you say metal, do you mean. like social media bots? Do you mean like. influencing politicians? Like, what do. you mean by metal? >> Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, in the. early days, what were they doing in the. early days? They would uh pay off trade. union representatives, right? to to push. a certain line to, you know, to push for. a softer tone much like the Chinese do.

now, push for a softer tone against the. Soviet Union, right? Or um in in during. World War II to push for isolationism, keep the US out of the war, right, before the Nazis turned on the Soviet. Union than they tended to need us. Um or. they would pay journalists to write. articles pushing a particular point of. view. Um and so there were those things. Now, social media meddling is a lot. easier, right? It's a lot cheaper. For. sure they do that. >> Yeah. And for sure they do that. >> And for sure they did that in 2016.

>> Absolutely. And and nobody's questioning. that, right? What's happening is that. once again there's a bit of a messaging. problem from the Trump administration. Trump administration at the end of the. day is saying. what was [ __ ] was this Russia. collusion angle, right? was the idea. that, you know, this is complicated to. to explain and I'm not doing a very good. job of it, but they're saying, "Yes, there was meddling, but you pushed a. story, meaning Brennan and Comey and,

you know, all the others that were. involved in this and then going up to. the top with Obama, saying you took what. was um a uh intel community assessment. um a because everything has an acronym. um that said there was no indic ation of. of uh of uh Russian efforts to push or. influence in a particular direction the. election, right? And most of that. initial reporting was on um elector.

election infrastructure. So there was a. a fairly, you know, significant bit. there that said the Russians did weren't. able to hack into election machines and. actually alter vote counts, right? So. they said we have seen no evidence of. that. Right? And. so you could argue that in part. the the the Trump administration is. having a hard time explaining much like. I am that the problem here wasn't that. there was anybody's saying there's no. meddling. There's meddling. They just. saying that you at a certain point.

around about December 9th, I think it. was, you had a meeting where Obama was. sitting in there with Comey and Andrew. McCabe and and a variety of others. And. the president himself requested a. different intelligence community. assessment, which is a little unusual. for a president to say, "I'd like you to. do an AA on a particular thing." Which. is. >> Can you elaborate on that? Like, so they. were telling him what? Well, they were. they were telling him, "We don't see um. that Russian meddling impacted the.

election." Basically, the Dems are. saying, "Well, that's just about the. electronic infrastructure, about the. voting machines, right?" In reality, the. ICA was also that that instruction, the. PDB, the president's daily brief, and. and the the the writing that had been. done, the analysis had been done up to. that point was saying, "Uh, we haven't. seen anything that the Russian meddling. influenced the outcome of the election.". Well, then shortly and then they they. squashed that particular piece, right? They said, "Let's let's shove that." And.

that's what a lot of the emails that. Tulsi Gabbard um released show, right? Is like all this agonizing. It's amazing. any [ __ ] gets done in the government. when you read these emails going back. and forth between James Clapper at the. DNI and and other places. >> Yeah, you sent me some of that stuff. Yeah. The analysts and others and. they're all saying, "Okay, well well. what kind of tone do we give it? What do. we say about this?" And you can also see. in there that they're saying, um, we. don't think the Steel Dossier is. credible. You know, the two senior. Russian analysts right at the agency. were telling John Brennan at the time,

you if you put the dossier in there as a. piece of information into this. assessment, you're compromising the. credibility of the whole thing because. we don't believe it. Right? And this is. December, right? And Brennan instructed, and it's in writing, instructed them to. go ahead and do it, right? because it. basically. he was he liked the narrative, right, of. the steel dossier, >> right? >> And so he chose that over. um the analytical.

um process, right, over the discipline. that you need to corroborate information. that's going to go to a highle um intel. assessment. So, you know, if anybody's. in in the crosshairs right now, it's. probably John Brandon, right? in terms. of because he went up on on Capitol Hill. at some point and and and said that, you. know, the steel dossier didn't form an. important point of, you know, wasn't in. the the document, wasn't in the ICA is. now out there and and sure enough, it. was not only in the annex, it was in the.

body of the report, which gives it much. more credibility. So, yeah. So, he, you. know, I'm not a lawyer, but, you know, I. think he should be concerned a little. bit about where that might go. But Obama. reportedly, and it's in email traffic, you know, requested, right, a different. ICA. And so shortly thereafter, they produce. a. >> How does he say it? >> Uh, I forget what the exact wording. I'm. not going to crazy thing. If you have a. bunch of experts that give you an.

assessment, these are the facts. This is. how it went down. You're like, I don't. like those facts. >> Well, I don't think I don't think he. said I don't like the facts. And that's. where this is going to be a problem. Anybody who thinks Obama's going to go. to prison for treasonous conspiracy, I. think again much like Pam Bondi, you. know, with the the her treating of the. Epstein files, which was ridiculous, Tulsi Gabbard's gotten out over her. skis. Treasonous conspiracy, that's what she said. It's not going to. happen. Anybody who thinks Obama's going. to forget about it. You know, it'll be. you'll be lucky if you get any. consequences of anything out of this.

Again, I'm I'm very cynical about where. investigations go. Well, isn't this also. based on the Supreme Court's. justification of everything that Trump. did while he was in office? So, you. can't try them for. >> they do when they're immunity for, you. know, for acting, you know, under the. authority as a president. Um, but so, and it's also very nuanced, right? He. can sit in there, he's perfectly got the. right to sit in a meeting and say, "Okay, well, I tell you what, let's. let's sit on this, right?" And James. Clapper and the others agree, we're.

going to we're going to we're going to. take this document. we're going to set. it aside that we all worked on. Now we. want to restructure it focused on, you. know, the outcome of the election and. the Russian meddling and where this went. and how they So, it was he can do that, right? And it's nuance and he can and. and never get in trouble because yeah, fine. You've got the right to do that. I. mean, it's not it's not illegal by any. means, but there is no doubt in my mind. that there was a desire. to um to drive this thing in a certain.

direction, right? And so there is no. doubt in my mind that a first of all, using the steel dossier in there was it. was just horseshit, right? because that. that thing there hasn't been any. allegation in that steel dossier that's. that's been verifiable and they knew. that right so so they went and they. remember they used that steel dossier in. part to then go to FISA courts and and. get warrants right so that's another. issue that I think from a legal. perspective again not a lawyer but I.

think some people should be probably. concerned about how they represented. that information knowing right based on. kind of what we're seeing from the the. the document releases from Tulsi Gabbard. but again you can. By virtue of how difficult I'm I'm I'm. trying to explain this, it's much more. complex, right, than just them bad, these guys good, these guys good, these. guys bad, right? It's there's layers. here that I think need to be examined. And I think that um at the end of the. day, you're not really going to get much.

like every [ __ ] everything else that. happens in DC, you're not going to get a. lot of satisfaction on this one. But I. do think I'm convinced that yeah, they. drove this narrative shortly after into. January when they released the new A. then suddenly leaks to the press and. that's when the Russia collusion story. happened, right? >> And that's the you know that's the. that's the thing that they should be. focused on, right? They're they're. losing they're losing the the message. because they're they're throwing [ __ ].

out there. there's a lot of detail and. people get bored and you know so I think. that's that's a problem they're going to. have here trying to push this thing. forward and I do think also that Tulsi. Gabard should have been a little bit. more circumspect in the way she. explained this right and how she. described the actions cuz I think there. were some people who are culpable in. terms of going after this narrative and. pushing this Russia collusion story that. then wasted a couple of years and you. know god knows how much money on. investigations and impeachment hearings.

and all the rest of it. Um, but. >> why do you think she chose to frame it. that way? Do you think she was. instructed to do that or she was guided. to do that or encouraged to do that? >> Cuz if if if it if it's not warranted, if you don't believe it's warranted. based on the evidence that you've looked. at, like she's the director of national. intelligence. >> How does. >> Well, I think I think she's part of it. is the realization that looks I mean you. you put that information out there. I. think it would have been more. appropriate if she'd released all the.

documentation said here's and and lay. out in a very good like almost like a. PowerPoint presentation for the you make. it very simple for the press because the. press isn't inclined to pursue this. because the press were complicit, right? >> So you're trying to say this is what. these people did and you helped them. Now what we want is for you, meaning the. media, to uncover all of this and report. on it. They're not gonna they're [ __ ]. not gonna they were winning awards, journalistic awards for their coverage. of the Russia collusion story, right? So. the idea that they're going to somehow. now say, "Yeah, that was a problem." So.

I think they should have maybe just made. this more factual based, stayed away. from the, you know, the sort of the. hyperbolic statements about treason and. all the rest of it and then, you know, tried to explain it to the American. public in a way that they can digest a. little bit better, right? But when you. throw out things like treasonous. conspiracy, once again, much like with. the Epstein thing, you're you're. creating this this kind of howling mob. that's going to expect something, right? And I just don't know that they're going. to get it. But. >> Right. So, do you think that it's. possible that she was encouraged to do.

this because this kind of takes away. some of the heat off of the Epstein. thing? >> I'm sure that was a thought process in. there somewhere. Yeah, possibly. Yeah, I. think it's a reasonable assumption. >> Look, it's an important issue, right? If. you have the intel community uh or you. have, you know, the the White House um. deciding to themselves, look, we know. this this information is kind of. [ __ ] but it certainly serves a. narrative, which is we want to. delegitimize the new president that's. coming in because we we we can't stand. him. Um then that's a really really.

serious problem that needs to be. examined. It's also so shortsighted. because. >> do you not know that that information is. eventually going to come out that's. going to compromise the confidence that. people have in anything that the. intelligence agencies put forth after. that? >> Yeah. Well, I think a lot of, you know, part of what was going on was the. expectation that Hillary Clinton was. going to win, right? So, like with the. steel dossier, try to, you know, dig up.

leverable information or dirt on on. Trump. You know, I think they were all. under the assumption, well, Hillary. Clinton's gonna win. Doesn't really. matter what we do right now because. she's gonna cover for us, right? And, you know, I don't think they ever. expected Trump to win. So, you know, then suddenly they've got to shift. course a little bit and think, okay, all. right. Well, now that that didn't work. Now what? Well, let's let's say that. we've got this document over here. talking about Russian meddling. You. know, is it is it is it that much of a. push to kind of say that, you know, we. we believe there might have been. collusion. And the media ran with it, right? They didn't have to do much.

>> They ran with it for three years. Three. years. Yeah. >> Three years. Hardcore all the time. Every time they talked about Trump. >> Yeah. >> Which is crazy. Regardless of how you. feel about Trump, if you're the biggest. Trump hater in the world, I understand. But understand this that that is. dangerous. It's dangerous to have the. media in lock step with the government. who's saying something that's not true. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and they and they. they scream about, you know, threats to. democracy all the time. Let's just be a. little bit more self-aware. Realize, you. know, what that looked like, right? You.

can't, you know, people were just. bullshitting about evidence that they. had or that they saw, right? >> Well, the Democrats saying anything's a. threat to democracy is wild when they. haven't had a primary since 2012. >> That's wild. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's really wild. >> I mean, >> they they kicked Bernie out. They made. sure RFK Jr. wasn't in. And then when it. came time for Kla to run, no primary at. all. They just put her in position. Yeah. >> That's wild. >> Yeah. They didn't know what else to do.

And and and by the way, there's so much. going on right now. Um. today, speaking of Kamla and and now. know speak about Biden, but today uh. what was his name? The chief of staff uh. the former chief of staff for Biden. I. think he was only there for a couple of. years. Uh Ron Clay was up on Capitol. Hill to talk because they're holding. these interviews up on Capitol Hill to. try to figure out what the hell was. going on, right? What at what point did. people decide they're going to cover up. the mental condition of Joe Biden? And.

that's another look, I mean, >> and then they're all pleading the fifth. >> They're all pleading the fifth. Kevin. Oconor, his uh the White House doctor, um pled the fifth. Um senior adviser to. Joe Biden, uh what's his name? Bernol, Andrew Bernol, pled the fifth, right? Um. you know, and Ron Clay apparently stayed. up there for a couple hours talking, right? But, you know, again, I don't he. wasn't there for the last couple years. of the administration, I think, but he. was there for the debate prep, right? And he's come out publicly and said, "I.

was shocked at his condition." So, you. know, people. >> I think they set him up for failure in. that debate. >> Why, first of all, why are they having a. debate that late? Why would they agree. to a debate at 9:00 p.m.? >> Yeah. >> When you got a guy who's really old and. kind of broken down, >> why would you do that? >> Television timing. Who knows? And it. seemed like, >> didn't someone blame it. >> on him being on Ambient? >> Yeah, Hunter did. That fantastic. interview that Hunter just did with U.

forget his name, Andrew Callahan or. something like that. Um, yeah, he he. referenced now he's walking it back. saying I, you know, I wasn't meaning. that he was on Ambient during the. debate. I'm just saying, you know, they. had him on ambient because of his travel. schedule. The guy was guy was at Camp David and. and resting in Delaware for 10 days. prior to the debate. So yeah, I don't. know. >> Jesus, what a mess. I think they set him. up. I think they wanted him out and this. is the way to do it. Get him in the. debate. Don't give him his medicine.

>> Excuse me. >> Don't give him the proper medication to. keep him up and peppy and let him out. there all confused. And apparently he. had a cold at the time, too. So was. >> But if you if they were going to do. that, wouldn't you think that they would. um. I don't know um have a better plan, a. plan B? No, they didn't have a plan. And. I think the Biden administration, the. people didn't want him to step down. There's people inside the organization. that didn't want him to step down. Particularly supposedly Jill.

>> Jill did not want him to step down. >> But then there's the cancer thing. Like, how do they not know that he has cancer? Well, they had. >> stage four. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Which is crazy. Like, that man years of. developing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I I just think if if there was a. if there was a plan, if there was a. nefarious plan to have him step down, um. I think they thought he would get. through it. I think they did. Um. >> he might have if he performed the way he. performed in the first debate.

>> Yeah. I don't know. I just It seems to. me that that. they're they were caught in the. headlights at the point where where he. did so. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to I know. Christ. What the [ __ ] is going on? >> I know. Yeah, it's it's the ambient. starting to kick in. >> Have you ever taken that stuff? >> No. No. Have you? >> Scares the [ __ ] out of me. No. >> You never? Yeah. >> No. My friend Kevin took it and he got. up in the middle of the night, cooked a. meal, went to bed, and uh didn't know he.

cooked the meal, so he went back and saw. the plates in the kitchen, thought. someone broke into his house and cooked. >> Like, yeah, that's not good. >> No. No. Um, I've never taken. Have you. taken Xanax? No, >> no, neither are. Yeah, >> that stuff's scary. >> That stuff's That's what [ __ ] Jordan. Peterson up. That stuff's really hard to. kick. >> Oh, >> yeah. I. >> benzoazbine is one of the hardest things. to kick. It's uh one of the things that.

if you get off at cold turkey can kill. you. >> Good god. Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. And they put everybody on. it. >> Yeah. Yeah. That Well, that's what I was. going to say. It seems like it's readily. available. Um. >> as is Aderall. Yeah. >> Readily available and [ __ ] super bad. for you. Although during the uh what was. it during the pandemic you couldn't get. aderall I remember that being an issue. right I remember reading stories about. that. >> make it overseas. >> couldn't yeah exactly as they do with. most of our pharmaceuticals including. what we've been talking about so. >> and so then people probably bought black. market aderall which probably has. fentinyl in it which probably.

contributed to a lot of deaths. >> Yeah. Yeah. I got this voice now I sound. like uh Kim Kards you know who Betty. Davis eyes Kim Kardy. voice I've got going on here for a. second. I forgot about that song. >> Yeah. Well, I suspect most people have. um. >> time waiting for no one. >> Yeah. But I think uh so yeah, so the the. Biden. uh let's call it a cover up. That's again it's it's an example of. um.

how people are not more upset about. that, right? Right. I mean, it again. with the idea that we've got ADHD and. everybody's moving on, but you would. imagine that that story if if none. other, right? Because it's not quite as. complicated as the as the Intel issue or. even as the Epstein files, it's pretty. straightforward. People hiding the. condition of the leader of the free. world. So, anyway, that's it's just a. thought. I'm surprised that it's gone.

away. >> Well, then there's the auto pen as well. That's another wild thing. Yeah, >> because so many of these people that. were pardoned were pardoned by autopin. And so you have to it begs the question. like how was that negotiated? Like who. was involved in that? Who made those. decisions? What was their motivation? Were they compensated? Like. >> was and look he was he says the former. president Biden says he was advised on. all of this. He was in on all of these. and and the autopen was primarily used.

for you know um you know sort of wrote. uh pardons um collective pardons where. they're pardoning you know for a an. action if you know and so you have a. number of people included in that that. you're you're giving pardons to. But um. all of this whether it's that whether. it's any of the other things we've been. talking about at the end of the day it's. it's no wonder look people's confidence. level in politicians and and government. institutions and the media.

is at an all-time low right and that's a. I think that's a it's a really dangerous. thing but I don't see how you walk the. dog back on that right I mean how do you. do that how do you how do you suddenly. create more trust in any of those things. >> well I think a lot of people thought. that draining the swamp would create. trust, right? The idea of Trump coming. into office, we had four terrible years. under Biden. Trump's going to come in. and clean things up. Everything's going. to make sense now. But everything's ju. just as chaotic, if not more and just as.

confusing. I mean, there's good things that are. happening. The closing of the border is. clearly a good thing. That was [ __ ]. scary and dangerous. >> Yeah. No, from look from a from a policy. perspective. Look, they the other day. they had um like nine crossings, right? Nine, right? Compared to maybe 10,000. 11,000 12,000 a day in in the previous. administration. >> Um so that that's a that's a huge win. and that's what they should be talking. about and they should be talking about.

um the the trade deals, right? They got. a good trade deal with Japan. They got a. good trade deal with Indonesia. They've. got a good trade deal with Vietnam. They, you know, signed one with the UK. They're getting ready for the European. Union. Um there's things that they. should be talking about and instead once. again we're [ __ ] consumed with what. we've been discussing Epstein and the. intel manipulation you know I mean you. think Biden's condition and. >> Obama treason. Yeah. So, it's it's. really it's it's disappointing, but you.

know, I again, I don't know how, you know, it this I'm not sure where I'm. going with this other than the fact that. it's it's very depressing if you think. about, you know, where our focus is. right now, right? There's a lot of flash. points around the world, a lot of real. serious crises, right? and and and. threats to national security and. concerns. and you know the the the White House. can't seem to you know get a focus right. on on things and but yeah the the border.

thing is a is a great win. That's a. that's a very from a national security. issue that's a terrific win. >> Yeah, the the fact that it was open for. so long is so insane to think that. anybody would think that would be a good. idea unless you wanted chaos. Yeah, that that is always discussed is. like was it intentional? I don't see how. it's not intentional, right? And I mean. that's because we can see now after 6. months of the the the second Trump. administration that you can fix the. problem, right?

They could have done it and they and. they chose not to. So you you know. clearly there's a lot of people in that. in the Dem Party and the Democratic. party that you know are fans of or. believe in open borders, >> but there's also the moving of the. people to swing states and the fact that. it changes the number of congressional. seats regardless of whether or not. someone's there legally or illegally. Once they do a sentence on how many. people live there, >> it raises the number of congressional. seats that's available. >> Yeah. >> Which is crazy.

>> Well, yeah. All that all that's so wild. that it's so transparent. >> I mean, look at look, you know, look at. Europe. I know that's kind of a you. know, people talk about this, but look. at France. Look at the UK. I mean, you. know, much smaller environments and you. can see what happens when you have. massive migration, right? And it's and. look, hey, I'm I'm not I'm not against. immigration. I'm just saying it should. be legal. You should know who's coming. across your border. You should have. security. Um you can't pay for. everybody, right? Right. I mean, so.

opening up your borders and say, "Come. on in and we're going to provide you. with with, you know, whatever Manny and. New York is providing new free grocery. stores and free buss and free child care. and everything's going to be free." Um, >> and they're going to tax businesses. That's what he said. He said, "And if. you're wondering how I'm going to pay. for this, I'm going to tax the rich.". Right? You think like, "Oh my god, how, you know, Stalin, you've been going all. the way back to, you know, the. communists have been talking that way. for years, feeding the same [ __ ].

lines to gormless sheep. We're just now. mom Donniey's just talking to a new. generation of sheep and and uh, you. know, he could well end up as mayor.". >> Utopian perspectives are really. attractive to young people because you. see the way these older rich people have. been running the world. It's all. corrupt. They don't care. They're all. capitalists and monsters. All they care. about is money. I don't have any money. I want them to take the money away from. the rich people and give it to the poor. people and then everything will be fine. >> Yeah.

>> It's like a common thought amongst young. people. >> I I get it. If you're a young person, you probably look at your parents if. your parents have done okay, done well, >> and you're thinking, well, that, you. know, maybe I'm not going to be able to. do that, right? I mean, a lot of young. folks now saying, "I can't buy a house. How am I going to get a down payment for. a house?" Right? Um, you know, I'm. drowning in school loans, which of. course they took out. Uh, but so I get. the frustration in a sense. And so I. think, you know, Mdani is doing again. what, you know, a lot of slick. socialists or communists in the past.

have done, right? He's speaking to the. to the masses and he's using all these. platitudes and there will be an element. that that buys into it, right? Because. they haven't seen how shitty it can be, right? >> Well, it seems like a huge element. bought into it. He won the primary. >> He won the primary. Yeah. No, I I. >> So what happens now? So Eric Adams is. the current mayor. >> Mhm. >> So if this guy wins the primary, is does. is Adams even is it possible for him to. run? Like what how does it work now? >> Well, I guess I mean he could run as a.

he could run as a independent um which. maybe is his intention. Um. >> cuz he apparently is still running, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. >> He plans on running. >> Wasn't Quuomo also planning on running. or did he drop out? >> I believe he's still trying to run as. well. So, he lost the primary and I. think people think that people are so. horrified that Mandani's in that they. think that maybe it's possible. Then. there's Curtis Lewa who still wants to. wear that stupid [ __ ] hat. >> Yeah, God bless Curtis that [ __ ] hat. off. Maybe he have a chance.

>> Yeah, at some point he's got to stop. that. Um, but I think there's a good. chance that that if Eric Adams ran as an. independent, maybe that's the plan. And. if Cuomo dropped out, I think if they. split the vote, then I think Mum Donni. wins. But they're going to have to and. the Democrats, you know, nationwide seem. to have some real concern over Mumani, right? Because that's not the message. they want to send at a time when they. see sort of this cultural shift in in in. America where we think, okay, we might. be done with this whole woke issue,

right? And then they see Mumani out. there dling the [ __ ] doubling down. Um, and you got Bernie Sanders backing. them. You got Jerry Nadler back in New. York backing them. You got obviously AOC. backing them. Um, so they they rightly. so because what do they want to do? They. want to reclaim the White House, right? And they want to reclaim the Senate. They want to they're not going to do it. riding the backs of of of a a vowed. socialist, right, who wants to reclaim. essentially a communist. >> Yeah. So, and he's, you know, he's uh, you know,

again, you know, God bless the ideology. of the youth, but, you know, people. should, you know, do a little bit more. research, um, into his ideas and how. they've worked elsewhere, right? Um, and. and maybe they. >> There's only one way to force those. ideas, and that's with guns. >> Yeah. Yeah. That's. >> that's how that's that's how you. >> government grocery store. Get the hell. over there. >> Yeah. government grocery stores and. taking money away from the rich people.

Like, how are you going to enforce that? You need force. >> Well, they're trying to I mean, look, California tried to I think they maybe. they've even enacted it. They've tried. um to uh figure out a way to tax people. who are leaving the state. >> Yeah. That was a thought that they had. that I don't think is constitutional. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. They wanted to I think it was 5. years. So if you had left within So me, I could get taxed. >> God, >> for even though I've been out of there. for five years, >> but that's just. >> Yeah, >> it they're just so irresponsible with.

what they've done with the tax money. They have some of the highest taxes in. the country and it's chaos. And then. they're they're also like upset that. people want to film what's going on in. the Palisades in Malibu. >> Oh [ __ ] Yeah. Yeah. I was there not too. long ago and nothing's happening. It's. still a war zone, right? You drive up. towards Malibu and everything's just. gutted, right? So you think and and it's. because you've got thousands and. thousands of regulations in place that. prevent, you know, the reconstruction,

right? Just trying to get a simple. permit for something takes you forever. And yeah, it's going to be years. >> Yeah. I think it's going to be. interesting because Gavin Newsome. obviously is in sort of a soft campaign. right now to uh set the table to run for. president. I mean, he's desperate. He's, you know, he's he's he's like some kid. who wants to be the class president. >> You see him on Sean Ryan's podcast. Um, I did not. I'm sorry I missed that one. >> He's doing podcasts. >> Wow. >> It was a disaster. >> Well, he's got his own podcast, right? >> Allegedly. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So So how'd he. do on Sean's? How terrible.

>> Yeah. Of course. >> Terrible. It was terrible. I mean, there's only so much he can say. Like. the record speaks for itself. His record. is terrible. That's. >> People are fleeing the the state. the. the the disaster that came about because. of the fire, the homeless situation is. untenable. It's all madness. >> But look, if you look at the Democrat. party and you say, "Okay, so what does. that mean?" Right? Because they right. now they're flailing about, right? They're they're doing this autopsy of. what happened from this last election,

even though they're not going to address. the issue of of, you know, Joe Biden. and, you know, at what point did we know. that he shouldn't be running, they're. going to leave that off the table. But. the purpose of the autopsy is. essentially to try to figure out what's, you know, what's our next step? Who's. our next leader and they did a survey. not that long ago um and they said who, you know, who's the who's at the top of. the Democrat party and the top three. individuals were uh AOC, um Kla Harris, and Bernie Sanders. And.

none of them got more than like a 10% of. of the the total uh on the survey. So, when you've got those three as your. option and you're trying to figure out. how do you how do you appeal more to, you know, a larger mass, they got an. issue because it's not Yeah, I agree. It's not going to be Gavin Newsome. It. won't be Pete Buddhaj. >> They've got a solution. Jamie, I just. texted you something. This is the. solution. >> The solution? >> Yeah. >> Here's a solution.

>> It's coming up. I hope it's not Hillary. [Laughter]. >> Finally, a Democrat who could shine on. Joe Rogan's show. Hunter Biden is. unrepentant by Helen Lewis. Helen, take. your medication. >> Oh my god. >> He did the best ad for crack ever, though. >> Yeah, it was a great ad for crack. >> It was not just an ad. It was a It was a. cooking show. Fatfucker. Fatfucker taught American.

youth how to make crack. And on it was I. was I was astounded as he sat there and. nobody I mean. >> he loves crack more than anything in the. world. Right. It sounded great. >> He was romantically involved with crack. >> He said it's safer than alcohol. >> Yes. Yes. Take that to the bank, kids. Holy [ __ ]. >> Talk about like not learning from what. happened during the crack epidemic.

ruined American cities. >> Yeah. No, like. >> which which reportedly was done by the. the agency, by the way. Um, >> reportedly. Yeah. >> Again, conspiracy theories. Um, but. yeah, I I Excuse me. I'm battling a. summer cold apparently. >> It's probably the allergies. There's so. many allergies here in Austin. >> Oh god. Um, yeah. I that that interview. with by How is it? Apparently the family. has no control over him. But how is it. that they allow him to go and do. podcasts or interviews of any sort, right? They they need to do an.

intervention. And you know, look, I I I. hope he's clean. I hope he's not. You. know, >> is he in clean. >> when he was talking about I mean, he. said, I'm reluctant to explain this, but. he was being honest about like why it. works and what's so euphoric about it. >> Well, it feeds into the Democrats have. decided apparently that they need to be. tougher, right? because after the last. election um and so they would send Tim. Waltz out there and you know Elmer Fud. and his hunting gear to try to try to. appeal to to middle America and uh so I.

can see it, you know, and you see, you. know, more Democrats getting out there. and and swearing because that makes them. tougher. Uh so that interview with. Hunter Biden, I can see feeds into this. idea that the the Democrat strategists. have is we've got to be more mainstream, right? We've just got to be, which again. is kind of in part why they're so. concerned over Mum Donnie in uh in uh. New York City. >> Yeah. Well, they're they were trying for. a long time to squash masculinity and. frame it all as being toxic. And people.

rebelled against that in a huge way. >> eventually. It took a while. >> Well, a lot of young men in particularly. went to the right because of that. And a. lot of young men that would ordinarily. have probably voted Democrat if you were. just [ __ ] reasonable, but you turn. them into villains for no reason other. than just being men. >> Yeah. And that was a narrative that. people were really sick of. And it's. like the pendulum swings one way and the. other way. It always does. It always. has. This is how we course correct. We. try to figure out our way through this.

world and people go one way too far and. then they overcorrect going the other. way and then we try to bring it back to. the middle and it never really kind of. goes there. >> Yeah. No, you're right. It is. And. that's been the problem for quite some. time is it is it's like that pendulum. you have you're you're over here and. then instead of it like settling in the. center, >> you're back over here and every and that. happens every every administration. change, right? So you get this knee-jerk. reaction and you know from a legislative. perspective that's a real problem, right? Because you never you really.

never do get [ __ ] done, right? Because. you're bouncing from extreme to extreme. >> It's also a problem with this four-year. term thing. It's like every four years. we have a new person. >> or the same person does it twice. These. are the option the only options that you. have. So, you have this terrible. situation where you're always like. [ __ ] on the other side and there's. no there's no like, hey, this is the. president now. Let's all work together. >> Yeah. What what if you had a a a setup. like uh like Mexico? Mexico has a. presidency where you can you you serve a. six-year term and that's it. You're.

done. One term, but it's six years. I don't know. It's. >> the same thing, though. It's the same. thing, you know? It was like we these. people [ __ ] it up. We're going to do a. better job. And then they get in and. it's the same [ __ ] thing. >> Yeah. Well, and also you get the. self-interest. Obvious obviously that's. not rocket science. But if you can be a. a senator for 46 years or however long, >> which is nuts, >> which is nuts. >> And you can make hundreds of millions of. dollars somehow or another, >> right? And that's another thing I I. always wonder how how do people not.

and again maybe some intrepid. investigative journalists if there are. any left. I mean, who wouldn't want to. do a story about the the uh the the. wealth gains by politicians? Just look. at the past 10 years, right? And say and. and take them on both sides, right? So, you look at you look at Chuck Schumer. and AOC and you look at on the other. side, you look at Grassly and you you. look at Mitch McConnell and whatever, right? And you look at those and and. that would make a fascinating series if. he just said, "How the [ __ ] did you make.

your money?" It's 100% both sides, too, which is so important because everybody. wants to point to Pelosi and Pelosi made. a lot of money for sure. >> But it's a lot of them. It's a lot of. them. >> Yeah, we do a um I don't I don't handle. any of our finances cuz I'm not smart. enough. Um but and we do have a fund. that tracks Pelosi, right? There's a. Pelosi tracker fund and it's done very. well, right? It's done very well. And. I'm always fascinated because I'm. thinking, well, of course it does well. because you're sitting up there on. goddamn Capitol Hill. You hear in these.

hearings, you hear about developments, right? And it doesn't have to be about a. particular company. It could be about. our particular dealings with a a. country, right, and regulatory concerns. with that country or it could be about a. sector and where we're going. And you. can Yes, of course you can use that. information to your benefit unless. you're a [ __ ]. >> but it shouldn't be legal, right? >> Shouldn't be legal. No, >> it's insider trading. Like they put. Martha Stewart away for insider trading. >> Yeah. So, how about you know politicians. but. >> actually they put her away for lying.

>> Did they? >> Yeah. They didn't get her on insider. trading. They got her for lying. >> Oh, >> cuz you know during the investigation. she didn't tell the truth about. something. But they didn't actually I. don't believe she was actually jailed. for insider trading. >> It's always the cover up. Always the. cover up. >> It's all just horseshit when someone. like Nancy Pelosi is able to do it. legally. if you're able to make hundreds. of millions of dollars legally through. some where your your salary is so low. Most people who make and not that it's. low, but most people who make a salary.

of it's a it's a great salary, but most. people make $170,000 a year might have. $170,000 in the bank. Yeah. Okay. They. won't have 200 million. That's crazy. >> And they'll argue I get a lot of it from. speeches and from books and n I don't. think you don't think you do. >> Well, you can track it. you could see. how much money should be made in the. stock market. >> Well, that's what I'm saying. That would. be a fascinating uh series if that's. what you did is if you did asset tracing. and and you know, a financial review of. of you know, modern-day politicians. How.

did you make your goddamn money? >> Also, why are you still doing it? You're. older than Biden. >> She's older than Biden. Like, >> yeah, >> chill out. >> Just I know. But. >> go on a vacation. >> It'll never happen. People It's not even. about the money. It's about it's about. the access, the power, the people, you. know, who carry your bags and toy after. you, you know, and then they love that. [ __ ] So, I get it. I get what the. attraction is. Uh I'm just saying that, you know, if if if we had any balls, you. know, we would have had enacted term. limits quite some time ago. Um anyway,

>> yeah. Well, and at the very least, they. should block insider trading. You I'm. sure you've seen that time when she was. questioned about insider trading. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, we should be able to participate. >> You're not participating, lady. You're. you're making hundreds of millions of. dollars and it's it's insane. >> And this is not a partisan I I agree. with you 100%. It's not a partisan. issue. It's everybody gets up on there. >> Yeah. If you look at the trades, if you. look at it between the red and the blue,

it's across the board. They're all doing. it. It's I think it's like it lures them. in. I think once they get into office. and even if they have good intentions, they get lured in by a corrupt system. And then they play ball. >> Yeah. >> And then they get paid. >> Yeah. Well, and then and then you get a. lifetime pension. >> Yeah. >> Which I again makes no sense, you know. How about you how about you you you say, "Okay, fine. You're going up there on. Capitol Hill. You get your pension while. you're up there. Um your pay is, you. know, maybe similar to, I don't know,

the military. You know, your congressman. maybe get a major's pay. I I have no. idea. I'm just making that [ __ ] up." But. um take the financial incentives and the. excitement out of it and maybe you get a. different group of people who want to. pursue that that work and then they just. go the hell back to wherever they came. from and work a job. >> Well, also there's a problem that the. campaigns are so ugly and we've agreed. sort of as a society that that's how we. do it. >> and that these people are going to. attack each other. You know, I remember. one of the things during the um when.

Biden was running, when Kla Harris was. saying that he was guilty of sexual. assault, like you remember that? And. then. >> Yeah. >> And then afterwards, she gets uh. interviewed, I think it was by Cole Bear. and she's like, "It was a debate.". >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It was a debate. Like imagine that. >> It's a debate. And so you're willing to. say something in a debate that's not. true. Well, that's this policy that that. you can, you know, I I I think it's.

partly uh just a disdain for the. American voter um and the belief that. you can people will move on and they do. Maybe that's, you know, it's a. self-fulfilling prophecy. People tend. to, you know, um forget pretty quickly. >> Well, we're overwhelmed by information. now. We are constantly consistently. overwhelmed by the news cycle and it it. is almost impo you have to have like. some sort of a Mike Ben style recall in. your head. >> where you can keep track of everything. because it's just coming at you so fast.

and Doge and Elon and this and that. I. had some guy ask me last night, "Do you. think that the Elon Musk and Donald. Trump thing was staged?" And I go, "Do. you think it's staged?" He's like, "Absolutely. I think it's all fake." I. go, "Wow.". >> Do you think that they made an agreement. that Elon would say. >> that you're on the Epstein client list. and that's why you won't release the. file? Do you think that like Donald and. Elon came to that agreement? >> Yeah. Just sitting around over at Diet.

Coke thinking they're all in on it. They're all in on it. Like, are you out. of your [ __ ] mind? >> What do you think about uh Musk's uh uh. political party? >> First of all, my wife told me you really. can't name it the American Party. It's. not legal. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Why? >> I don't know. She told me I believed. her. Jamie will find out. >> He didn't follow up. I didn't follow up. You weren't interested. We were eating. dinner. >> Thanks, honey. >> We're eating dinner. She goes, "You. know, you can't just call your party the. America Party." I go, "Really?" She.

goes, "No, you can't. You can't use the. term America for your party." Which. makes sense. But no, I would think you. couldn't because I'd be like, "Fuck you. I'm the America Party. >> It's the whole country." You know what. I'm saying? Like if you decide you're. the American party and I'm against the. America Party, well that sounds like I'm. against America, >> I guess. But you couldn't you take I'm. calling the American Party. I'm going to. trademark that name next. >> That was my problem with the Patriot. Act. Like you can't call it the Patriot. Act, you [ __ ] Cuz then if you. go against it, you're against the. Patriots. >> Godamn right. That's right.

>> Crazy. >> The terrorists win. >> Is it legal to call your party the. America Party? >> I'm looking into it. says, "For example, additionally, New York state law has. outlawed the use of words like. independent, independents, America, and. Americans in the names of political. parties.". >> Yeah. Yeah. There you go. >> There you go. >> Okay. >> So, she's right. >> Yeah. >> So, listen, just New York. >> Got to come up with it. Oh, just in New. York. >> It sounds like. >> So, nationally, it's legal. >> Yeah. If it's in New York, I'll bet it's. >> What does an independent call himself in. New York then? If you run as an.

independent and it says you can't. >> Well, you can run as an independent, you. can't call your party the independent. party. Okay. Yeah. It's all quite sus, isn't it? >> Sus. Look at you. >> A little sus. That's what the kids call. it. I have young kids. Yeah, I know. >> They call everything sus. >> Likewise. >> But it's, you know, like what is he. going to do with this party? You're not. going to get, you know, how's that going. to work? >> Yeah. I don't think this I I you know, as much as I don't, you know, I I think. there's there should be room I guess I. should say it that way. There should be. room for uh another party. >> 100%.

>> But I don't think there's enough oxygen. to uh to to do it. >> Here it is. The name America Party has. been used by several different political. parties in the United States, most. famously as the official name of the. Nothings. Nothings is my favorite. I That's what. you should call it. The Why does he call. it the X party? He likes the term X. Uh. nivist group sometimes dubbed the. America's third party that rose to. prominence in the years leading up to. the US Civil War. The Nothings were in.

the during the Civil War. That's crazy. >> The name America Party attempt to brand. the party as a force of patriotism. unity. That's what you're saying. Yeah. Okay. I get it. Yeah. >> As well as the names of an anti- Mormon. party in Utah and the supporters of. George Wallace. >> Wow. >> Jesus Christ. >> There he is. He's not a handsome man. >> Boy, he looks evil. Some people just I'm. not voting for you and your [ __ ] up. eyebrows, bro. >> Some people just look like they are. You. know what I mean? George Wallace. I. remember watching I mean I was tiny but.

I remember as still to this day I I. watching that when he got shot at that. rally that he was at. put him in the wheelchair. >> Um. >> but uh yeah I I don't know. I I again I. don't think there's room for a third. party. There should be but I just don't. see it happening. I I you know we're. we're too entrenched in in the way that. we do things and you start splitting the. vote. Um, and I think, you know, maybe. it's, who knows? Maybe I get more chaos. than we've currently got.

>> Yeah. I mean, one those two together, it's like, geez, I saw that coming. I. was like, this is not going to work out. >> Yeah. >> When when his son was with him in the. Oval Office and the son told him to shut. up. >> Don't Trump to shut up. The little kid. told Trump to shut up. And he said, you're not the president. >> Oh my god. Like, what is that? It. actually lasted longer than I thought it. would. >> Well, it destroyed Elon. >> Yeah. >> Destroyed his company. Destroyed Tesla.

I mean, when And then on top of that, when people started like putting. swastikas on Teslas and Teslas shops and. Yeah. Yeah. >> Madness. >> Madness. I mean, and then people were. probably very reluctant to buy a Tesla. because they were worried like, "Hey, if. I buy this [ __ ] thing and park it. somewhere, someone's going to key it.". >> I know somebody who actually covered up. the Tesla. um uh insignia on their car. >> I was worried behind someone the other. day on the highway and they had a. [ __ ] thing on their car that said, "I.

bought this before Elon went crazy.". >> God, >> like, "Oh god, >> you know, >> you're conceding. You're giving in to. the mob.". >> You're giving it to the dumbest mob, too. >> But there was an element also that was. like, oh, you know, they're it's. legitimate form of protest. You know. what? To to to blow up a [ __ ] Tesla. dealership, right? blow up charging. station. >> It's certainly not legitimate to destroy. people's private property who are just. paying a lease on a car that they. probably had for three or four [ __ ]. years before any of this [ __ ] went down.

>> Yeah. Yeah. But they but they do it. Someone walks by and keys the car, right? Keys a car a Tesla and you can. just you a they don't know why they all. tend to look alike, but they do. and and. you just saw it there just like this. this this. sense of self-righteousness like I'm I. deserve to do this because I'm in the. right I'm do I'm on the side of good so. therefore I can do whatever the [ __ ] I. want right so anyway. >> just mentally ill people and there's a. lot of them in this country and. unfortunately you can weaponize them.

>> yeah and we've also played into it right. I mean so it's you know the US Olympics. by the way the US Olympic committee um. just uh said, you know, males will not. be able to participate in female sports. >> Shocker. >> Shocking. I had no idea that we had to. actually say that out loud, but. apparently we do. >> Were they going to take that gold medal. away from that dude who pretended he was. a woman and won the boxing? >> Yeah. God, that was bizarre. >> [ __ ] off, man. >> So crazy. It's just like that's where.

this woke thing just hits the wall where. people who have daughters and people who. just like like, "Hey, look, I want you. to live your life and be whoever you. want to be. I really do. I don't I don't. want to infringe upon your right to. express yourself. But at a certain point. in time, when you impose this on other. people and you [ __ ] up their lives, >> and Vic had a great term. He was calling. it the tyranny of the oppressed, >> right? >> That the oppressed, people who are. legitimately oppressed in a lot of ways.

Then they turn that on everybody else. and they they want everyone to concede. to their demands. It's like, okay, >> yeah, it's it's that, you know, I'm the. victim, so therefore I deserve. >> So therefore, we're going to throw. society into a wood chipper. >> Yeah, I agree with you. I I want Yeah. Again, I I I'm busy enough that I don't. have to spend a lot of time worrying. about what other people are doing. At. the same time, I don't need to play. along, right, with with your your. imaginings. And so I think that's where.

it started to once it started to impact. other people, you know, like a a kid who. loses a race because now suddenly she's. racing against a dude. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> 900 medals lost during this time. >> Really? >> Yes. 900 medals that would have gone to. biological females that were won by. biological males because of this crazy. ideology over the last few years. Yeah. >> And so think about how many girls lost. out on scholarships. thinks about how.

many girls just like felt [ __ ] over by. the system where you've got a guy in the. [ __ ] locker room with his dick. hanging out and you're supposed to. pretend that that's a woman. Yeah, it's. crazy. >> Yeah. And and god forbid you you go. against the idea and and you know a. handful of people did and you know spent. a lot of time getting pillaried for it. but. >> Riley Gaines. >> Riley Gains. Yeah, good example. >> You see people attacking her all the. time online. It's just wild. >> I think it's dying down a little bit. I. think we hit that top uh and then I. think it's coming back down to to where.

people are saying enough is is is enough. again with the idea that look you want. to do that you want to pretend that you. can you know you want to believe that a. dude can have a a baby fine you do that. I don't need to to pretend with you I. don't I'm not going to infringe on your. thinking that that's the case you know. and and and yes do you need some. protections in place for people of. course you do right but at a certain. point I I kind of lost track it used to. be that you had you had gay dudes and. you had lesbians, right? That was that.

was kind of it, right? You had guys that. like guys and you had girls that like. girls and you're fine. You know, >> we made progress in that regard where, you know, people that used to have to. hide that, they don't have to hide that. anymore. It's. >> pretty much accepted by society for the. most part. >> Yeah. >> And then they're trying the same thing. with this. And it's like, no, this is a. different thing. And a lot of the gays, they don't want this in their group. They're like, no, this is a different. thing. This is this is not your sexual. orientation. You're attracted to men. This is an identity thing. This is a.

totally different thing that you're. dealing with. And then you also have to. factor in. >> as uncomfortable as this is for people. You have to factor in perverts. >> who all of a sudden can just say, "I'm a. woman." And wear a dress and now they. can enter into women's spaces and you. can't stop them. And that's that's real, man. That's real. That's not discounting. actual trans people or discounting gay. people or lesbian. It's not you. But. you're opening the door for [ __ ]. sexual predators.

>> Yeah. >> People who are out of their [ __ ]. minds, man. And you also had I one of. the things I never quite figured out was. you also have the you have the parent. who's like they've got a a. three-year-old son who says, "I'd like. to play with dolls." And then suddenly. the mother's the enabler, right? You. want to get him on hormone blockers. >> Yeah. and and and you're thinking like, "How about you just let the kid be a. kid?" You know, maybe tomorrow they want. to play football, maybe the next day. they want to do interpretive dance, maybe the following day they want to. play baseball. Let the [ __ ] kids grow. up in a certain way without trying to.

impose exactly, >> you know, this this this bizarness on. them. So, >> they do it because they want that kid to. be whatever, whatever it is, whether. they want him to be queer, they want him. to be trans. For them, it makes them. look more progressive and they they have. their kid like a [ __ ] flag they plant. in their lawn and it's gross. >> But there's a lot of these pathological. monsters that happen to be parents. They're just nuts. >> Yeah. Everybody anybody gets a license. to be a parent. It's like boat drivers. And the other day we were out on the.

lake in a boat and it close to Fourth of. July and I realized really anybody. anybody can drive. >> You don't have to have a driver's. license. >> No, you don't you don't have to do a. breathalyze. I mean, you should. And. we've got, you know, sheriffs out there. trying to stop people from people. drinking. >> boating. But yeah, >> but they do it. >> Yeah, they do. >> They do it all the time. It freaks me. out. >> Yeah. It's It's bizarre because the same. people would not like say, "I'm going to. I'm going to, you know, shotgun 12 cores. and then uh drive my car, but god damn. it, they'll be happy to get behind that. boat and take off." And you think, and.

so we've got, you know, our uh our boys. have started driving the boat on their. own, taking their friends out and that. sort of thing. And it's, you know, it's. actually more nerve-wracking when they. head out on the lake, right, than it is. when they get in their car and drive. somewhere, right? Because of just like. the craziness that goes on. So, >> yeah, I watched uh I watched our one of. our boys head off in the boat. He had. like there were like three dudes and. seven girls on there. It was his dream, right? This is he was heading off to the.

lake. They were going to go cliff. jumping and some surfing and everything. And I watched him go and I said, "God. bless you." But I was inside. I was I. was so goddamn nervous. Right. >> Of course. >> So anyway, they did they did fine. >> People think they're invulnerable when. they're young, too, which is also a. problem. >> You don't think anything's going to. happen cuz nothing's happened yet. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> You haven't had enough like severe. injuries where you go, "Oh, this I'm. vulnerable as [ __ ] This is dangerous.". Like people can die. >> You need to see it. >> They go bridge jumping. You know, they'll climb up to the top of a bridge,

jump off, and it's just like, "Oh my. god, >> I know a girl did that." She's [ __ ]. for the rest of her life. Her back was. ruined. >> She fell funny and hit her ass in the. water and it destroyed her spine. >> Yeah. >> It's like I mean, you get you high up. there and it's it's. >> it's like it's like concrete. Yeah, exactly. And then and if you if you over. rotate or you under rotate or whatever, but yeah, you know, there's a balance, right? Because with with the with the. boys in in particular, you don't want to. take away that risk-taking element, right? You want them to take risk,

right? But so there's a there's a fine. line of saying, "No, don't do that. That's dangerous." Whether they're doing. that or they're they're going to the. dirt track or whatever they're doing. And you think, "Okay, how do you balance. that out?" Be smart, you know, but I. don't want to I don't want to stop you. from taking risks, if that makes sense. >> No, it does make sense. Listen, you're. talking to someone who spent the. majority of my teenage years fighting. M. >> you know with no health insurance. >> So like I'm not I'm talking from a. position of not being one of the wisest.

people. >> Yeah. >> But I was never into like jumping off of. things and I didn't want to ski. I. didn't want to do any of that because I. knew how vulnerable I was. >> Yeah. >> Which is crazy. >> Which is crazy because you're you're. you're risking getting clocked every. every time you go to fight. >> I'm getting clocked in the head all the. time in the gym. Like constantly getting. kicked and punched and. >> God. Yeah, but I realized like, hey, I. don't want to ski. I could ruin my. knees. >> Yeah, >> I might I might fracture a rib there. I.

don't want to do. >> I just wanted to take as few risks. outside of this one risky thing as. possible. And I think a lot of kids. don't have enough like controlled risks. So then they start wanting to jump dirt. bikes and you wind up breaking every. [ __ ] bone of your body. >> Yeah. Our youngest sport again. Yeah. Happy birthday, Mugsy. But he uh uh went. over his uh his bike uh wearing a. helmet. Very good helmet. Uh still. banged his head. All right. This was.

just a couple days ago. So I'm on the. road and I'm like, "Okay, keep him up. Don't you know make sure he's good.". >> And uh so anyway, it Yeah. But again, I. say I don't want to then when I talk to. him, I don't want to say, "Well, you. shouldn't have done that." You know, you. want to say, "Okay, you're you're good. Um do you know do you know what you did. wrong?" And he's like, "Yeah, you know, I didn't get the back wheel on the It's. like, okay. But anyway, that's that's. parenting. Um, >> yeah, it's, you know, you don't want to. completely shelter your child, but you. don't want them to exposed to. unnecessary risks, but it's like there's.

this like. >> there's this balance that you have to. achieve. It's really hard. It's cuz you. don't want a sheltered child that's. scared to take any risks at all. >> Yeah. We're sending the the oldest one. is off to university uh in a couple of. weeks going down to Old Miss. >> Um and uh and yeah, you're right. I. mean, that's a you know, that's a big. it's a big step, right? So, he's going. down he's been down there a couple of. times already. He's met some some of the. folks down there has had a good time. You know, some of the guys taking him.

out to the bars and and uh. >> you know, and so you you at a certain. point you lose control of them, right? And so all you can do up to a certain. age is just hope you've set the compass. right. >> Yeah. You have to set the compass right. And at a certain point in time, you have. to realize that's an individual human. being that you don't have control over. anymore. And one of the worst things. that parents do is they try to control. their kids when they're in their 30s and. 40s. Like they they still treat them. like their children. Like you're just. going to have a resentful person.

>> Like they don't want you to be the boss. of them when they're 30 [ __ ] years. old, you know? >> Yeah. Or or honestly 20s. They just, you. know, they I think they still they want. to know that there's a place they can go. or there's someone they can talk to or. advice they can get. >> Yes. >> But yeah, at a certain point you just. and I think, you know, who knows what. what that point is. I mean, it's it it. changes. I think kids seem to be growing. up a lot quicker now. >> Uh. >> well, it's because of the internet, right? They so much information comes. their way and. >> yeah, it's and then we're, you know,

we're at the precipice of artificial. general super intelligence which is. going to bust out of its cage if it. hasn't already. I mean, there's real. good arguments that it's already done it. and we're not aware of it yet because it. hasn't assumed control of things. It. hasn't acted in a way. It's not it. doesn't have a physical form where it. can move around yet. >> Right. We're definitely moving in that. direction. I think we're probably. already there. Uh we're just unaware of. it, but I think people at the cutting. edge, I think. Um but yeah, we went from.

um a Rogan show that was done by AI to. uh now you can't swing a dead cat on the. internet without hitting Rogan babies, right? >> Oh, those babies are hilarious. >> The Von is the best one. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Theo Von's a great baby. I will say any. anytime, you know, and I don't I don't. spend a lot of time digging through. things like that, but anytime I see uh. the baby episodes with you and Theo, I'm. like, "Yeah, I got to watch this son of. a bitch." Then I send it to the boys. >> Yeah. >> Oh god. Um and they but they don't.

there's no authorization. You have no. control, >> right? >> No, there's no It's just the wild west. right now and it's happening so fast. You know, we had um um who was this. showing us the Skywalker thing? Was it. Joe D. Roso? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, my friend Joe D. Rosa was. showing us this uh they're doing Star. Wars AI, like fan created AI scenes of. stuff that they wanted to happen.

>> Yeah. >> And it looks better than the actual Star. Wars. >> Yeah. >> And it's young Luke Skywalker. It's Mark. Hamill from like Star Wars one. like. that. Like look at this. Watch this. >> Look how incredible this is. And look at. this. That's AI. >> I mean, this is nuts, man. I mean, this. is like better quality than the original. Star Wars itself. And it's his voice. It's his face. It's all perfectly. synced. It looks incredible. Like, look. at this. >> Yeah, that's we uh my company does some.

work for um the entertainment industry. for the movie movie business. And I was. out there talking to one of the studios, so it'll remain nameless, uh, not that. long ago, and this is a massive issue. for them. Look, they they're seeing full. scripts out there, right, written by AI. for some of their franchise u, you know, um, movies and characters and they're. seeing, you know, their animators, uh, their writers. All these people are are,

you know, obviously worried and they're. convinced that they're, you know, about. to be made uh useless. >> And they're right. >> And they're right. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz what. they're they're finding they're just. what you're looking at here. They're. finding, you know, but there's there's. places where they're dumping fulllength. scripts and and and you know, pieces of. movies out there and and it's, you know, it it it's going to upend much like. whatever Netflix and the others did with. the with the television market. It's. going to upend the whole industry. It's. going to be. >> 100%. There's no way around it at this.

point. If someone can make something. like this, the Skywalker stories thing. >> I mean, this is just a person doing this. with an AI video generator. >> Like, can you just do it through. prompts? I mean, yeah. >> Or you say to yourself, okay, um, I want. to write a a a scripted TV series. H, what am I going to write about? you. spend 20 minutes feeding some ideas into. whatever uh I forget what the the the. aside from chat GPT there's a there's a.

bunch of them out there and uh it will. feed back to you in short order the. entire show map right it'll give you all. the characters it'll give you a. character map it'll give you pitch lines. it'll give you uh episode plots it's. it's remarkable and it means all those. people who work in Hollywood writing. right or wherever they're based writing. shows or coming up with with uh pilots. and they're superfluous to the whole. business now. >> Yeah. It's it and not just that, it's. also music.

>> Yeah. >> You know, Drake had a song that was a. hit Drake song that came out that wasn't. him at all. It was all done by AI and. they could just kind of guess what. people like and they could just. formulate what the big hits were, what's. what's what's similar, what's common, what are the phrases, what are people. what's catchy, >> what's Yeah, exactly. The give me the. last six songs, the commonalities that. made them successful. >> Exactly. >> Fine. Give me the Give me that. Is Is uh. Is Drake still beefing with Kendrick. Lamar or is that over? I can't keep.

that. >> I think he had to back off of that. >> Okay. All right. Yeah. I don't know. That's the sort of question. >> what do you need to be asking? >> It's different people have different. perspectives. Some people think Drake. won. Some people think Kendrick won. I. don't really give a [ __ ] quite honestly. >> I I'm not a fan of those kind of beefs, but they do make some good songs. sometimes. A beef does, you know, like. Ether with Nas. That was a good [ __ ]. song. >> There's It's just. >> I was about to nod like I knew what the. hell you were talking about. You don't. know that song. Oh yeah. Yeah. Ether. with Nas. Yeah. Yeah.

>> You don't know that song. >> Young Gravy. A little gravy. Um, >> there's a thing that's going to happen. within our lifetime where all creativity. is going to be suspect because you're. you're not going to be able to know. unless someone's doing something off the. cuff like live in front of you. You're. not going to be able to know whether or. not something's AI generated anymore. Like they have AI generated standup. comedy now. That's it's not great, but. it's okay. >> You know, where you have a guy on stage,

the audience is fake. They're laughing. what he's saying is comedic. The timing. is pretty similar to comedy. >> God, >> it's nuts, man. And it's This is, by the. way, >> impossible three years ago, probably. impossible two years ago, probably. impossible a year ago. Now, ubiquitous. It's everywhere. So, like, where does this go? And what does 5. years from now look like? We're just. guessing. Well, in terms of driving. narratives or telling stories or or.

getting people to think a certain way, I. mean, think about how how simple that is. now from a a hostile element, right? Like, if I'm working Russian propaganda. for the FSB, how easy is it now for me. to create a clip um of of whatever, let's take a hot topic, right? And. suddenly you you've created a clip where. uh Trump is talking about, you know, being in the Epstein files or um you. know, somebody around Biden's circle is. talking about how they covered up his. people will see that. They'll release.

it, right? People will see it. They're. not going to necessarily question. whether it's because that's not how. people work, right? They they see [ __ ]. on the internet and they go, "Oh, yeah. I'm going to send that to my buddy." And. yeah, you got some people who who might. be more cynical than others, but for the. most part, people just eat that [ __ ] up. And so I. >> which is also shows you the incompetence. of the government that they released. that video from the cell that's got 2. minutes and 53 seconds removing because. these aren't the best people in the. world that are doing that. >> No. No. And that's a that I mean there's.

Yeah. You could argue that the on the hostile. side, on the on the the whatever you. want to call them, hackers or or or. people on the cutting edge of doing. things and using this technology for. nefarious purposes, they they you know, I'm not saying the government doesn't. have good quality people doing it, but. you tend to have, you know, cutting edge. folks on the on the uh on the hostile. team. >> Yeah. They're not going to be working. for the State Department. No, they're. No, >> they're going to make money otherwise. >> I got to pee real bad. Let's take a. little break and we'll come back. Okay,

>> right back, folks. I didn't see a [ __ ]. about it. >> Maybe it's a joke, but did you see that. lock I sent you the Lockheed Martin. thing, right? I also sent you the thing. that I was looking for earlier, which is. uh I think I believe he's a senator. that's reading off the most ridiculous. tweets from the the CEO, former CEO of. NPR. >> Oh god. >> Yeah. >> Which senator is that? Do you know? >> I don't know. Hold on. I can find out. >> Eric Schmidt. Yes. From. >> Missouri.

>> That's who it is. >> Okay. Yeah. Senator from Missouri. >> Okay. >> Watch this. This is This is fun. >> This is just a fun one. >> I thought it'd be appropriate to maybe. read some of the craziest tweets from. Katherine Maher, who is the CEO. Put my. glasses on here. >> I'm so done with latestage capitalism. America is addicted to white supremacy. I do wish Hillary wouldn't use the. language of boy and girl. It's a racing. language for non-binary people. Lots of. jokes about leaving the US and I get it. But as someone with cis white mobility.

privilege and thinking I'm staying and. investing in ridding ourselves of the. spectre of tyranny. Never underestimate. the ability of white people to center. ourselves. White silence is complicity. I'm white so my hair doesn't. automatically carry with it the freight. of my race and everyone else's encoded. assumptions. I'm grateful that those who have pointed. out my phrasing could be understood as. trans eraser. >> Horses inspire all.

>> Horses inspire all and foster a sense of. identity. More kids should have access. to these incredible animals. But most. horse spaces are white spaces. >> Horse spaces are white spaces. It keeps. going. >> I love the music. >> The music is good. They Whoever came up. with that soundtrack is good. >> God Christ. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Um, so the the thing that I sent you, the Lockheed Martin thing, is people are. claiming it's again a lot of horseshit. Who [ __ ] knows that Lockheed Martin.

created that Tic Tac and that there's. been three different versions of it. I. sent you that, right? >> Who are the people claiming? >> Yeah. >> So, the the the idea is this is what I. wanted to ask you about. So, this is a. congressman who says this. Congressman. Eric Berles dropped the bombshell. evidence that Loheed Martin has. developed three generations of Tic Tac. UFO technology. Is that real though? Did. he say that or is this just a [ __ ]. tweet? >> Quote is right there. I had two people.

come to me. >> I understand that. But is did he. actually say that or is that just a. quote on Twitter? >> Oh, he I believe he said that. I saw. other people say it, too. >> Oh, okay. So, he says, I've had two. people come to me that say that the Tic. Tac is Loheed Martin Creation. The. latest person come uh came to me says he. has video of the first, second, and. third iteration of the tic tac. Berles. revealed this isn't speculation. This is. a congressman with direct access to. classified information. The implications. are staggering. Lheed Martin allegedly. discovered a revolutionary new.

propulsion system deca uh that and has. been secretly developing it for decades. According to Burlesen source, they used. it in the first iteration which was the. tic tac. They have an intermediary one. that they are that they are more. advanced with and then now they're. putting it inside what looks like. conventional so that it's not obvious. >> Okay. >> What do you think about Yeah, I'm going. to have to call [ __ ] on all that. Um, look, there's some there's. interesting if you scroll back down, there's an interesting, you know, when.

you start to There you go. Dissecting. this. He says, "I had two people come to. me that say that Tic Tacs of Loheed. Martin creation." Now, he doesn't say. who those two people are. >> I've had two people come to me that said. they had sex with Bigfoot. >> Yeah. Well, I I did. Um but you've got. then it says this isn't speculation. This is a congressman with direct access. to classified information, which is the. implication that well, the people that. came to him with this have access to. classified information, which is un you. know, there's no connection there. So, they're taking a a data point and. another data point and they're drawing a.

line between the two of them and saying, "Yes, he's getting this from. classified." Yeah. Exactly. And so, you. know, and also then the next part has. been secretly developing it for decades. I'm here to tell you that. if Loheed Martin was developing. something for decades, a new form of. propulsion. Um, I'm maybe I'm a just a cynical son of a. [ __ ] but I don't think they'd be. keeping it secret for all this time. I. don't think it would have been able to. be kept secret because somebody would. have opened their YAP or the Chinese. would have gotten their hands on it um.

in in in their economic uh and and intel. espionage efforts. So, I don't know. This strikes me as And then I've got. video of it. Okay. Well, how about you. show us the goddamn video? It's always. the same thing. >> It's always the same thing. It's always. like I've seen video. Well, [ __ ] show. me, [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And then here's the problem. The more. time they wait, the more it's Luke. Skywalker [ __ ] like you're going to. show me something, how the hell do I. know what's real anymore? We're six. months away from never knowing. >> Right. Right. That that is exactly.

right. And that's the problem. And. there, look, we I think we've talked. about this before. There are companies. out there, private companies that are. working trying to figure out how do you. get ahead of the curve of deep fakes, right, and AI generated material. And it. is really difficult, right? It is it's. and and it's it's lagging that that that. defensive capabilities lagging behind, right? the offensive potential for AI. generated material. So, you know, again, I agree with it. Someone's going to show. this and or it's going to be grainy, blurry, and going like, see, see, there.

it is, right? >> Oh, I had a guy recently come to me with. a bunch of videos that he needed me to. look at, and every one of them was. [ __ ] blurry. And I'm like, I'm not. interested in this. >> Yeah. >> This doesn't mean anything to me. >> Every time you, you know, you got. another hearing up on Capitol Hill, it's. always the same. I, you know, I can't. talk about it. I've seen this [ __ ] but. it's in a skiff and I can't, you know, this very sensitive and, you know, kind. of goes back to, you know, people. getting in front of the camera and. saying, "I've seen evidence, but I can't. tell you about it. You're just going to. have to trust me." So, I I don't I don't.

know. I'm not I'm not a I'm not a buyer. necessarily. If the congressman wants to. make a point of this, then he needs to. be more clear on this. Right. Right. Um, >> and when people say things like that and. then nothing comes of it, it makes you. more and more inclined to believe it's. all [ __ ]. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Where is that's where I am? So I'm like. I I think the possibility of alien life, of course. >> Yeah, of course. There's so many. planets, so many stars, and the idea. that we're alone seems crazy. That seems. more unlikely.

>> But I don't know what's real. When. people describe things and talk about. things and things are moving underwater. at 500 knots, okay, show me. Yeah, >> show me. Like I I I can't anymore. I. can't respond. I can't get excited. >> No, I I I agree. You know, in short, yeah, everybody's chasing just like. they're chasing, you know, a better. battery. Everybody's chasing a new form. of propulsion, right? I mean, that's a. it's a leading part of what what. governments are spending their money on. if they have the resources to do it. Um,

so yeah, there's a national security. issue there. And you would think that. the congressman then would say, "Okay, maybe if you're telling me this, I'm not. going to go out in public and say it, right? Maybe maybe if we're talking. about this, maybe I shouldn't be talking. about what Loheed Martin is doing and. obviously working hard if it's correct. to keep it secret because that's a. national security issue. So what the. hell is he doing here? I I don't know. It just it all sounds, you know, like, you know, sack of [ __ ]. >> Well, it's also like the problem is a.

lot of these politicians, it's kind of a form of entertainment in. a lot of a way. >> because they're trying to get attention. It's like they're almost like reality. stars, right? They're trying to do. something outrageous to get attention. and that'll help him get elected that'll. get the constituents on their side and. they're I'm going to be the guy that. releases all this information. Oh, let's. vote for Bob. >> I'm the UFO congressman. >> Yeah, but it's like show you you're not. producing anything. Show me. Tell me or. shut the [ __ ] up.

>> Shut the [ __ ] up. Yeah, I I I I agree. And it does I you know I I'm I'm. approached maybe once a month about. doing a new series, you know, focused on. UFOs. And my point is always the same, which is like. what what are we going to talk about? What what are you going to show that's. going to be something new that maybe. people learn something about? And. >> and it's all it's it's always the same. Look, I'm not saying again, I agree with. it. There's definitely stuff out there, right? We've explored, you know, like a. drop of water in a glass of the. universe, right? So there's stuff out.

there. I've just I I approach it all. from a a skeptical point of view. Well, I think you have to because there's also. unfortunately a market in talking about. these things and there's a lot of. grifters out there that have made a. career out of telling you they know. I. have the information. It's been brought. to me and I'm going to release it. >> And it's like Lucy and Charlie Brown. with that goddamn football. >> Charlie never gets to kick that. football. Like this is the time. This is. it. >> He never has, has he? >> Never has.

>> Never has. Every time he goes to kick. that football, that [ __ ] just pulls it. away from him and he goes flying up in. the air. >> Damn it. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe he needed to. identify as trans. >> Then she give him a break. Um I don't. know where I came up with that one. Oh, I'm going to get I'm going to get. lambasted for that. They're going to. come for you. >> Oh, they're going to come for me. I. know. >> You reached on that one. >> Yeah, I did. >> It's just like I I want there to be some. information that's real. And I think. there there are like Commander David. Fraver's depictions and his descriptions. of what happened and there's other. fighter pilots that were involved. They.

have video evidence. That's compelling. What is that? What does it mean? What is. it doing? How is something able to go. from 50,000 ft above sea level to zero. so quickly? Like what is that? >> Yeah. No, I agree. That's and we've. talked about that. That's that's one of. the few things that I think is is legit. right out there and needs and needs. further investigation. Again, you have. to pick and choose. Is there a reason to. have a identification program in the. Pentagon? Of course, goddamn there is. It's a national security issue. Figure. out what the hell is flying around up. there. Right. Right. If it's real. >> If it's real. And did the Chinese come. up with a new form of propulsion. Right.

And if they did, they undoubtedly stole. it from Loheed Martin. Um there was just. a. >> cuz there's never You can never do one. of these episodes without me kicking the. Chinese Communist Party in the ass. But. uh they just finished um the uh. sentencing for a uh an American Chinese. citizen. This is a fascinating people. always Yeah. People always roll their. eyes when I talk about Chinese. espionage, but I So I always love to. highlight, you know, they shouldn't roll. their eyes. >> They shouldn't, but there's so much. You.

want to talk about evidence? There's So. that's not UFOs, bro. >> Yeah. No. Oh, no. It's true. Um, so this. guy, um, Chenguang Gong is his name. He's like, I don't know, 60 years old. Um, has been, uh, sentenced or I think. he's awaiting sentencing. He's out free, believe it or not. He's free on bail. right now. And so he uh went to work in. 23 cuz this is stuff has been sealed for. quite some time, but he went to work in. 23 for some California-based U company.

that was contracted with the Pentagon. And he was only there for a month. And. during the course of that month that he. was there, he downloaded some 3,600. files or so on the technology that this. company develops on behalf of the. Pentagon uh related to sensors. sensors. that are very sensitive information that. used to detect uh nuclear missile. launches used to detect uh and track uh. hypersonic and ballistic missiles used.

to for fighter jets to um track incoming. uh missiles heat seeeking missiles. So. it's very you know classified material. He downloaded during the course of his. you know four weeks there downloaded all. these files onto his personal storage. devices. um and uh they couldn't find. the all the hard drives that he had. taken with all this information. They've. gone missing somehow. So, as it turns. out, the amazing part about this story.

is. um he accepted a job during the course. of his brief period of time with this. California company working on these. sensors. He accept with a a competitor, right? So, they were going to hire him. Um but ever since like 2014 when he's. been working for US companies. um he's apparently nobody gives a [ __ ]. Nobody's doing any due diligence. Nobody's doing any background. investigations. From 2014 on he's been. applying to the Chinese uh Communist.

Party for what they call talent. programs. The Chinese government puts. out these these uh proposals you know. hey send us send us you know your. information if you're working on you. know information of interest. They call. them uh talent programs and they'll. provide funding to people who get their. applications accepted. Well, of course, what the Chinese Communist Party is. doing is they're fishing for people with. access, right? And then, you know, you'll put in a proposal saying, "I'm. working on the following. I think it. could be really interesting." And this. guy did that. He took several trips to. China. He applied for funding for these.

talent programs from the which is the. essentially the Chinese Communist Party. He stated in emails that he's, you know, he thinks it could be really beneficial. to the Chinese military some of the work. that he's doing. And so from 2014 on, he's been doing this and people are. still hiring the guy. And yeah, it's. it's incredible. So now he's out on an. almost $2 million bail. I don't know how. they're allowing him to roam around. free. Um but it's just another example, I guess, is what I'm saying, of you. know, what happens out there and why.

people need to be aware, why companies. that are engaged in anything almost. because they're the Chinese party's. interested in everything. But you you. see this and you think, okay, you know, I get it. The guy was stealing. information, but then you look and you. go, how the [ __ ] did he keep on doing. this all these years? How did he how was. he you he go from a company and get. hired by another company and they were. obviously excited by his expertise, but. nobody bothered to to dig into him, right? And that's always how, you know,

businesses for the most part get [ __ ]. is they they they don't have a proactive. mindset, right? They're not they're not. thinking about that when they're hiring. somebody. They're not thinking, "Oh, I'll bet, you know, there's a hostile. state sponsored entity out there. They'd. like to steal our information." Well, isn't that also part of the problem with. having these administrations that are. only office for four years? So, like. they have all their problems that they. have to deal with. They get in, they're. basically starting the job a new and. then you've got these companies out.

there that are hiring. Chinese nationals and you don't even. know it. >> Yeah. Yeah. you don't even there's no. way you can pay attention to all of it. and the people that are running the. companies all they want to do is get. that company off the ground start making. a lot of money. >> yeah get a government contract now you. know theoretically they're supposed to. you know they're supposed to be going. through a variety of security processes. um about you know the dissemination of. information who's got access to it and. all these things but clearly it doesn't. it it's not it's not working all that. well u anyway so that's that's the thing.

and then apparently the uh news just. broke that that Um there was a breach in. uh I think it was Microsoft's SharePoint. um software that attacked the Department. of Energy um and it was Chinese hackers. Again, this is just the past, you know, 12 hours or so. Um and they were going. after among other organizations and. agencies, you know, the uh group that's. responsible for maintaining our nuclear.

stockpile, right, which is sits inside. the Department of Energy. So, it's the. national. nuclear security administration, something like that. So, yeah, it's I I. guess I always like to point out that. it's a hostile world out there. And. going back to your point, you need to. you know, you need to have organizations. that are out there trying to um you. know, secure, you know, the the the. national security interests of America. And so, yeah, that sounds like I'm. standing. >> The idea that you don't is crazy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's so naive. >> Well, it's the idea that everybody if we.

just would all get along, right? um it's all going to work out fine and. you know the the world's really messy. It's ugly. I mean we we can see that in. whether you're talking about the Middle. East right now which is a mess. Um. you're looking at the Ukraine Russia. conflict. Um you know there's there's. just there's just a lot of [ __ ] that. happens out there. And so you do need. these organizations. Now again, you. know, we talked about this. You need. them you need them to be as transparent. as they can be and still be. operationally efficient, right? But.

Yeah. Yeah. Middle East. That's a [ __ ]. up situation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What? So, >> what do we know about how much damage. was done by those bunker buster bombs? >> I saw some video and again, I don't know. what's real, >> but it looked. >> insane where they were reviewing the. damage and they were kind of climbing. into this giant canyon that was created. by these bunker busters. >> Yeah. Um, that's a it's a really.

interesting point and I think, you know, we talked about uh earlier about how you. can get out over your skis. Tulsi. Gabbard probably did it and Pam Bondi. about the Epstein files and everything. And I think I think um the Trump. administration got out, you know, talking about completely obliterated all. three sites, you know, Isvon and Natans. and Fordo. Um, and you know what, wait. for the battle damage assessments to. come in with credible intelligence, right? just say, "We've done this. We're. assessing." How about that? Right? Just.

keep it like that. Prevent yourself from. having to then walk the dog back. Right? So, so they didn't they came out and. said, "We've completely obliterated. these sites.". What appears to be now coming from some. of these assessments, at least the early. assessments, is that they did. significant damage to one of the sites, Fordo, and then the other two sites, they did some damage, but that's where. it's questionable. And these are coming. from Israeli and and US intelligence. And honestly, when it comes to Iran, sometimes we rely very heavily on what.

the Israelis have because their their. intel tends to be a little bit better. I. mean, they're it's their existential. threat. So, they've spent decades. developing sources, right? Um and so I. think did we destroy all three? No, absolutely not. We didn't. Um did we. degrade their ability u to enrich. uranium in the short term? Yeah. But. does that short term mean, you know, 3. months, 6 months? I think that's kind of. where they're they appear to be at. They.

don't know. There's still questions. And. the Israelis think that they actually. did manage to um keep stockpile of some. of the enriched uranium that was buried. way down inside of uh I think it was the. site. And so it was successful to a. degree, right? um but uh not to the degree that it was. discussed early on and what they're. still saying, right? So I think um. that's you know and that's a realistic.

approach. you know, there I think the. military was was fairly clear in some of. their um scenarios that they were. drawing up prior to this that you know, we don't have high confidence that we. can completely destroy these sites, right? And and but you know, if they've. if they've destroyed and damaged a large. number of centrifuges, well, that takes. time to replace, right? And so, um you. know what I think what's going to happen. is the regime, and I think they're. already doing it, they're going to. disperse all of their efforts, right? They're not going to stop trying to.

enrich uranium. They're not going to. stop this drive towards a nuclear weapon. because now in particular, I think they. view it as, you know, that's our that's. our only leverage going down the road. So, they're going to disperse it to. smaller sites, going to make it more. difficult to, you know, create a a. single strike scenario where you take it. out for the most part. And I think. that's that's where we're going with it. Um but look the the the Israelis during. the course of their 12 days or so they. degraded the missile capabilities which.

was a big part of what they wanted to do. um significantly. Now depending on who. you talk to that significantly is like. 40% destruction of of launchers and and. missile stock piles to 50%. That's a lot. you know but again they still have the. ability to make them and they still. will. So, we've kind of we've kind of. kicked the can down the road, right? We've we've bought some time in terms. of, okay, they're not going to get to a. breakout point, you know, uh, next week,

but we haven't really solved the. problem, right? And you don't solve the. problem unless the regime goes away, you. know, and then people talk about regime. change and then everybody gets all. squirly. So uh you know but you're going. to have the same problem and they. they've already said they are going to. continue to arm their proxies right and. there have already been weapons uh. shipments that have been um interdicted. going to the Houthis going to Hezbollah. right um that process of them getting. weapons to their proxies is more.

difficult in part because you know. Syria's fallen and the Syrian government. is you know it doesn't like Iran the the. new one the Islamist government that's. there doesn't like Iran so So they're. shutting down some of that traditional. routes that they use to move weapons. back and forth and other resources, but. they're going to keep doing it. They're. going to keep trying. So we've kind of, you know, again, you know, it's it's. putting lipstick on a pig. We we we've. created a better situation in the short. term, but it doesn't solve the problem. The only. >> Are you shocked that we intervened that.

we. >> uh bombed their nuclear sites? >> No. By the time we gotten a few days. into what the Israelis were doing, it. looked like there was really very little. option. We were going to have to go in. and do that because the Israelis did not. have the ability to do that, right? They. they were there are operations. Again, look, people can argue about they should. have should have done it, but from an. operational perspective, it was pretty. damn impressive, right? taking out some. of the military leadership, taking out. some of those nuclear uh program uh.

managers, directors, scientists. was really impressive. One of the things. that was so impressive was when they. tricked them with a fake phone call. Everybody get together in the bunker and. they blew the bunker up. >> Yeah. I mean, this it shows the depth of. their intel capabilities because again, they've been doing this for years. because it's an existential goddamn. threat and so that's their target, right? We've got as a in the US, you. know, you know, our our intel operations. are focused on a lot of different. things, right? >> For the Israelis, for the most part,

it's Iran. You know, yes, it's, you. know, sub, you know, sets are Houthis. and Hamas and all that, but those are, you know, those things wouldn't exist. without Iranian support and backing. So, their focus over the years has been how. do we develop sources? how do we create. access, you know, to so you know and. they so at the when the time comes they. pull out their playbook and they open it. up and go, let's do this and they just. push the button, right? And they're able. to accomplish these things. So, but it. does show their their their.

capabilities. They didn't have the. munitions. So, they don't have these. bunker busters to to to penetrate and. get down, you know, to the to natans or. wherever. So, it it it did it wasn't a. surprise that we did it. Um, again, I just think we should be and I. suspect the Pentagon, you know, felt. like, yeah, we should have been more. circumspect in how we described the. success of it. Now, the foreign minister. from Iran's come out the past couple of. days, right? And he said, "Oh, you, you. know, serious damage. We've had to stop. all uranium enrichment." People going,

"Look, you know," and even the White. House has said, "Well, see, you know, we've we've we've, you know, significantly damaged all their. enrichment capabilities.". Okay, if you believe what the goddamn. Iranian foreign minister says, right? But he's a spokesman for the Mullers and. IRGC. Why would you? Yeah. So, >> right. Why would they be honest about. the losses they've taken? >> Yeah. So, he's he's pushing a message, right? And so, you know, who knows? But. I think I think there's there's been. damage, but not to the degree that we, you know, they they they would like to. have seen. >> But a lot of people didn't understand.

like why at this point did we do that? Because one of the narratives was that. they had the capability of enriching. uranium to 90%. Where they could but. they they didn't plan on doing it. >> They only wanted to have it so that they. could use it as leverage. >> Um yeah there is no you there's no. civilian purpose for having you know 60%. enriched uranium. So, um, yes, maybe. they thought if we if we get a stockpile.

of it, then we're very close cuz it's an. easy lift getting from, well, relatively. speaking, getting from 60 to 90% for. weapons grade. So, yes, maybe their. thought was only we just use it as. leverage and we're not actually going to. pursue a weapon. But I don't know that. you want to, you know, um, you know, you. want to make strategic decisions based. on the hope that that's the case, right? I think everything else they shown in. the past, their obfuscation, their. hiding of their program, uh backing off. of of past agreements, none of that.

showed that they were earnest. negotiators or they were that they were. honest brokers in in what that weapons. program was like. So I think you know. there was there sounds like there was. significant intelligence that came in to. the um uh Israeli services that said. they're fasttracking this whole effort. and that may have been in part because. of the the um the damage done to their. proxies. Right? So they may have looked. and and seen look Hezbollah's leadership.

was torn apart, right? Their stock piles. were were incredibly degraded. Same. thing with with the others. And so. maybe, you know, that was the motivation. perhaps, I'm speculating, for the. Iranian regime to say, "Okay, let's get. this done." You know, let's push. If the. Israelis picked up on that, then that. would, you know, be sufficient. justification to say, "We got to act. now.". >> But the thing is, it's like we had to. get dragged into it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> That's that's where it gets [ __ ] up. because like one of the things that. people voted for. >> with this new administration was no more.

wars, >> no more useless wars. And then six. months in, we're bombing Iran. Yeah. No, I I look, I'm I'm not here to argue. whether, you know, I know there's a lot. of people that that say we should not be. doing any of this [ __ ] right? We. shouldn't be, you know, we shouldn't. have been in Iraq. We shouldn't have. been in Afghanistan. We shouldn't, you. know, gone to Vietnam. We shouldn't. Okay, fine. >> You know, um, you know, there's a lot of. people that that argue that we should. just sit in a bubble because the world. will happen and it won't impact us, right? um some of the [ __ ] that happens.

outside, you know, the US borders will. come back in a massively, you know, serious way and bite us in the. ass. So, you know, could a confilgration. out in in the Middle East if we don't. take any part in it? Could it impact US. national security? Yeah, it could. So, but it's a call. I get it. You know, people are saying draw the curtains and. we shouldn't be at war and we shouldn't. be doing any of this and we shouldn't. support Israel and what are we doing? Um. well you know I understand the mindset I. just don't agree with it but you know um.

I think so I I I think the limited. participation in terms of of uh of. providing the the necessary munitions to. attack those sites again wasn't a. surprise. Um don't disagree with the. decision. Um. you know I just think you know we need. to be pragmatic about how much damage. we've done and what the potential is for. us having to revisit this whole issue. Right. The thing is like people are so. skeptical about motivations now. They're. so skeptical about public narratives. like why we're doing this and why we're.

doing that. >> And I think one of the things is. important hearing it from a person like. yourself that's spent most of your. lifetime involved in this. that there are things like we really. shouldn't be meddling in every part of. the world but sometimes we have to. meddle. There are occasions there are. times again I I it would be great if we. lived in a world where we could just. worry about ourselves but that's not you. know maybe 250 years ago it was right.

because it would take the Armada a long. time to make its way across the ocean. but um you know [ __ ] happens with with. remarkable speed now and I just think. it's an idealistic idea that you can you. can ignore what's happening and you can. just say we're only focusing on us we're. not going to we're not going to get. involved than anything that happens out. there. I agree. There's a lot of things. that we don't need to be involved in, right? Um, you know, looking back on. looking back on Iraq, looking back on. Afghanistan, right? Now, Afghanistan.

should have been a surgical move, right? We should have gone into Tora, blown the. [ __ ] out of that, tried to get, you. know, um, Bin Laden, and then we should. have said, look, if you if you do this. again, meaning if you let your country. be a sandbox for the terrorists, we're. going to come back here and do this. again. And then we should have gotten. the hell out and not worried about well. maybe we can build a stable federal. style government in Afghanistan which. has never happened and which we could. have looked at what the Soviets said and. said yeah this is not going to work. So. there's things where we should be. learning or we're not very good at. We. should be learning and saying, but my. point being is you got to leave the door.

open because there are times when [ __ ]. could go really seriously wrong. And if. the Iranians suddenly, you know, if. you're wrong about the hope that well, I. think they just for peaceful purposes. because I'm going to for some reason. believe, you know, counter to their. actions up till now, I'm going to. believe the Iranian regime. So it's. peaceful purposes. And then they. announce that they're a member of the. nuclear club. you got a [ __ ] storm going. on in the Middle East because it's not. like the the regional actors like the. Saudis are going to go, "Okay, no. worries. We're going to let Iran have. the bomb and we're not going to get it.". Right.

>> Right. Now, you're going to have. multiple nuclear armed nations sitting. in the Middle East and. >> at odds with each other. >> At odds with each other and I don't know. that that's a really good scenario. because you're inching closer to, you. know, use of a tactical nuclear weapon, right? like like you know Putin's. already in his his his moronic uh puppet. uh medvadev you know it keeps rattling. the nuclear sable we'll use the use a. tactical nuke maybe um yeah you you. start getting closer to that and that's. that's a real problem so I think there. are times when you got to you got to.

step in in a in an intelligent way but. you got to be pragmatic about what that. means and so what I'm saying about with. with Iran is I we didn't really solve. anything right um and nothing will get. solved the Iranian population isn't. going to have a better life um until. there's a change in that regime. I'm not. advocating regime change unless it comes. from inside Iran, right? And that's what. you would you'd like to think maybe at. some point they rise up and say, "Fuck. it. Enough's enough, right?" Yeah. You.

know, and but that hasn't happened and. despite people hoping it would happen. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's um it's very. it it gives people a lot of anxiety when. we think about all the possibilities of. all over the world, all the different. things that are happening, whether it's. Ukraine and Russia, Iran and Israel. It's like it's constant what's going on. in Gaza. It's like everything is it's. it's just like this constant feed of. doom. >> that you know if you're paying attention. and you kind of have to pay attention a.

little because uh yeah it is kind of. crazy and it could it could affect your. life. >> which is I think why. >> why we're so quick to want to you know. glom on to what's happening with Epstein. or what's happening with the the you. know the intel assessment or there. because it it it takes away the focus. from you know there's [ __ ] happening in. the world you know they could create. bigger conflict, right? Could drag us. into something something bigger. Look, the European Union is they're heavily. focused on what's going on with Russia. because they're sitting on the border, right? And so, you know, right now, um,

you know, Putin, he has no interest in. peace, right? He he thinks he's still. kind of winning, right? And there's this. hope that, well, we think the Russian. economy is about to crumble. It doesn't. look that way. I don't think it's going. to crumble. So, but I mean my point. being is that the EU looks at it from a. different perspective than the US does. Now, I think one of the things that. Trump's done very well is to get the EU. to focus more of their own resources on. this. That's a great move, right? And. people should be able to say, "Yeah, whether they're Democrat or Republican,

yeah, makes sense. Focus more on it, right? It's it's in your backyard." And. so, I think that's a that's a good step. from this administration. They should be. talking about it more. But does that. mean we should back off entirely? Well, again, you know, I hear I hear from. folks all the time and they're like, "Yeah, why do we give a [ __ ] You know, why why should we be spending our, you. know, resources on Ukraine?" Um, and. fine, if you're okay with with, you. know, with Putin winning, then fine.

Okay. You know, then, you know, I I get. your point. But at least admit that what. you're saying is, you know, we shouldn't. be supporting um Ukraine. And frankly, without US support, you know, Ukraine's. not going to win this this fight. And. whatever that win means, right? The win. sometime. >> Can they even win? >> No, they can't. Not in terms of like a. we've reclaimed all our territory. That's never going to happen, right? It's a negotiated settlement of some. sort that's not completely unpalatable. for for you know, the Ukrainian people,

right? So, what what they're going to. you know, who knows? Maybe they you. know, the goal is clearly to get. everything back, but they're not going. to get Crimea back. they're not going to. get, you know, the some of the eastern. region that the Russians have been. sitting in now for quite a long time, right? Even before the the invasion. So, you know, you've got some negotiated. settlement that that they can accept. Um, but. you know, if you if we say we're not. going to support them and you can't. inflict enough pressure or whatever you.

want to call it, pain on Putin to get. him in a serious way to the negotiating. table, then ultimately, yeah, the, you. know, the Russian military will. overwhelm them, right? Because they've. got the support of China, they've got. the certainly the support of North. Korea. North Korea is about to send. another 30,000 troops to, you know, to. the front lines uh on behalf of Putin. I. mean, that's crazy. But we've got North. Korean troops and by the thousands. fighting and dying in in in Ukraine. And.

so, you know, the US providing military. support that keeps them in the fight. long enough to hopefully with the EU. expanding what they're doing to. hopefully get Putin to think, "Okay, [ __ ] it. I I I I do have to sit down at. the table." Great. >> Well, this is what's discouraging is. that Trump said, "When I get into. office, I can fix this in 24 hours.". >> Yeah. I know that seemed. >> messaging problem again. Messaging. problem. Yeah. Yeah. It's always it. again I go back to that same thing. There's there's there's always a problem. with with you know, and again, this is.

not a I'm just saying maybe get better, you know, comms people um and try to get. a little just a tad bit more discipline. But, you know, the idea that you're. going to fix this problem in a day, you. know, it's hyperbole, but people buy. into it, right? And and then you get a. mob that is saying, "Yeah, how come we. couldn't?" And what are you doing here? And you um rather than saying, "Well, no. more wars." Just say, "The world is an. unusual, unstable, chaotic place. There. may be occasion when we need to be. involved, but I'm going to try to. minimize that." You know, say some.

something like that and then then you. don't have to throw more red meat to the. crowd. But it's Yeah. the Ukraine. situation. Um, and Zeleleski's got some. other problems, right? Um, this is it's. an interesting situation that may. hopefully it doesn't bore bore people, but it's it's important to keep on the. radar is that, you know, Zalinski um has. just signed a bill that kind of gutted. the two pime primary anti-corruption. organizations in Ukraine. And Ukraine's.

had years and years of history of being. a corrupt nation. And it's always been a. roadblock to them getting into the. European Union because they're saying. you got to do something to clean this. goddamn place up, right? So Ukraine has. had a history of not just with Zilinski. but prior to that. And so the. parliament, you know, um wrote up a bill. basically handing over control of these. two anti-corruption independent. organizations that monitor corruption. inside the Ukraine government. handed. over that control to uh the prosecutor.

general, government control of these. organizations. And they put that bill. that they wrote, a Zalinsky supporter. wrote it, put it on Zilinsk's desk like. 48 hours ago. And he had the choice to. either sign it or veto it. Again, here's. the problem. We think like who the [ __ ]. was advising him, right? Veto that. goddamn thing. But he didn't. And he. signed it. And now you got street. protests, significant large street. protests in Ukraine against this because. they considered this this authoritarian. takeover. And they're and they know what.

their history was like. And so the. people are worried about this. So. they're out on the streets protesting. Putin's looking at it going like, "Ah, it's fantastic. That's because Putin's. been saying that Zilinski is an. illegitimate leader for some time now.". And one of his demands has always been, you know, I'll negotiate, but you know, Zilinsky needs to go and because he. wants a pro Kremlin leader in there. So. you've got all this going on and and. then Zilleski decides he's going to sign. this bill. Now he's got the protest. Now. he's going to have to he's he's he's. trying to scramble. So now he said, "Well, we're going to we're going to. introduce a new bill to strengthen our.

anti-corruption efforts." So now he's. trying to, you know, cauterize that. wound. So, you know, that's it's just. again, it's a it's a self-inflicted. wound. He shouldn't have done it, but um. I'm just I'm trying to speak to the. complexity that's going on out there. right now. >> Jesus Christ, Mike Baker. >> Yeah. I'm sorry about that. Um yeah. Anyway, so that's yeah, it's we touched. very we haven't even talked about about. uh about the situation with Hamas and. and Israel, but I'll leave that for. another day. Uh because I'm sure if we.

got together again in another half a. year, it's still going on. There's no. there's no ceasefire that's going to. happen. You know, every time you turn. around, the US Witoff or somebody in the. US administration or the Saudis or the. Egyptians or the Qataris, whoever's. handling mediation is saying, "Yeah, we're very close to a ceasefire." It's. just not It's just not happening. So, you know, it's going to be a mess. We. can talk about that some other time. >> Yeah. Yeah. I know. And that's a. >> Is there any way you can give us some. happy news to wrap this up?

>> Um, >> is there anything positive? >> Yeah. Well, >> I know you got a bunch of notes over. there. >> I do. I do. >> Anything like, "Hey, we're okay.". >> One of my I know. I know. I none of them. I got Well, I got one about Well, Aussie. and and and Hulk Hogan. I mean, they. that's not positive. >> No. >> Godamn. >> We lost Hulk Hogan today. >> We did. Hulk Hogan. What a what a guy. And then Aussie. I mean, what a what a. goddamn career. >> But the Aussie thing was less surprising. cuz he'd been battling Parkinson's and. he was very old. But the Hulk Hogan.

thing was crazy. He was he was here just. how long ago? A year ago. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. He was in the podcast for a year. ago. >> Well, Aussie did that concert on the 5th. of July. >> I know. >> Yeah. I mean, in his chair, >> but Hulk went in for some surgery. apparently and um he got an infection. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um I think it was neck or. spine surgery or something that he. couldn't come back from. But. >> um Yeah. And then and it's all in the. same week. And then. >> and then what what's his name? Then the.

other guy u this poor guy. It always. happens, right? Malcolm Jamal Warner, the the kid from uh the Cosby Show. He. dies and then nobody thinks about him. because like the day after Aussie dies. and then a Hulk Hogan guy, you know, >> they always die in threes. >> Yeah. >> Say that celebrities die in threes. Why. is that true? >> Yeah. But poor Malcolm. I mean, he goes. and and he his his death is completely, you know, it's like uh it's like if you. and I were on a plane and plane went. down, it'd be like we lost a legend. today. You know, Joe Rogan is gone along.

with 240 others. And I'd be like the. other, you know, it'd be it'd be it'd be. a sad moment. >> Malcolm died um swimming, right? He got. caught in the underdog. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was a swimming incident. in Costa Rica. >> Yeah. >> Got pulled out by a rip tide, I think. >> [ __ ] man. You got to be able to swim. and you got to not [ __ ] with the tides. >> Yeah. It's scary [ __ ]. >> Yeah. We were out in uh in the Cayman's. uh my wife and I for uh gone down there. to give a speech at something and so we. said, "Let's go, you know, snorkeling,

whatever." And. um so I went out. I didn't take a a PFD. I didn't take a you know a uh inflatable. device with me, right? I should have. just grabbed the belt. You know, you. just pop it and get it. >> So I was out there swimming, snorkeling. around. And and at some point I was. like, I don't feel good, right? I don't. feel right. And then I could tell. >> uh because I'd had an heart issue in the. past, right? And I knew exactly what was. going to happen. And so I I started. feeling this and I and I could just kind. of feel the energy drain out of me. But. I'm out in the middle of the [ __ ].

you know, water and I kind of look up. and there's no I can see I can see my. wife off in the distance, you know, but. I'm like I, you know, and so I'm just. trying to keep my goddamn head above. water. And so I get her attention. finally. She comes over and she's a. brilliant person and she's a a great. athlete, very strong swimmer. And so. she's trying to help, but now I'm doing. that dude thing where I don't really. want the I don't want to make a fuss, right? No. >> So, I'm out there in the water. I don't. want to take my mask off and I'm saying. I'll be okay. And I'm, you know, I'm.

just kind of like barely going, but I'm. doing that the dude thing, right? When. you have as a dude, if you're having a. heart attack, you don't want to alert. everybody because you're like, I don't. want to cause a scene. I don't want to. be a problem. I don't want to show that. I'm I'm weak or whatever. So, I'm about. So, she uh literally hauls my ass back. to shore, right? And so, it was it was. one of those moments. I got back down. I. was but I you know I was fine after. after a little bit but it was just one. of those moments we realized this would. be a [ __ ] up way to go right just kind. of drowning and you know being at the.

bottom of that and then got a fishy out. but so I feel bad for Yeah. Malcolm. Jamal Warner but but then also his you. know his news got blown out by Azie and. now Hulk. So. >> it is weird that they always die in. threes. >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what that's all. about. It's. >> but it's so common. >> Cosmic retribution. Something's going. on. But it's like there's a pattern to. the universe where that happens. >> Yeah. So, but now as far as G, uh, you. know, good news, um, >> I'm really working on this one. You're.

here. >> Uh, yeah. Yeah, I'm here. >> We're here. Everybody listening is still. alive. >> Going to see Oasis. So, that's good. news. Yeah. Going to go see Oasis and. Yeah. Coming to Los Angeles. Uh, be a. big deal. >> I'm glad they're back together. >> God damn it. Right. I know. I'm just. hoping it's not cuz it's not till. September. So, the danger is. >> that they feuded. They feed, they break. up. >> [ __ ] you. [ __ ] you. >> [ __ ] you. >> [ __ ] you. [ __ ] off. Yeah. So, it's But. it's gonna be It should be a great show. They've been doing a a bangup job. But. as long as they stick Come on, guys. Stick together. Make it to uh to.

September and we'll be fine. But other. than that, uh, no, this, you know, there's good news happening out there. I'm sure. I just haven't I haven't seen. it. >> All right. >> I'm sorry about that. >> Tell everybody your podcast. >> Oh. Uh, yeah. Thank you. It's. President's Daily Brief. It's available. We got a YouTube channel. at President's Daily Brief. >> Doing well. >> Yeah, we're doing. >> See you on the charts all the time. >> Yeah, we're we're up there. We're always. in the hovering around the top 10. And. um I think it speaks to the fact that, you know, for the most part, look, we're.

just trying to tell people what's. happening without telling them how to. think about it, right? >> And that's what people want because. there's not a lot of that. >> And it's worked out well in that regard. And and occasionally I'll I'll say. something, I get a little comment in. there, but I try to keep the opinion out. of it. But it's Yeah. uh all the podcast. platforms, the YouTube channel and it's. uh it's it's gone well. It's been a. great adventure uh so far. Um and it's. been growing which again for me that. that is very satisfying in the sense. that.

you know nowadays everything's opinion. right everything got him opinion right. >> not just opinion but again what you were. saying telling you how to think. >> telling you how to think about it. Yeah. >> Yeah. This is how you have to think. >> Yeah. So it's Yeah. President's daily. brief. Anybody gets a chance check it. out subscribe whatever you do. Um and I. appreciate you letting me bang on about. that. >> I appreciate you telling me about things. and explaining things. So, I get I get. lost out there. >> I always feel like I come in here, I bum. you out. And uh you definitely do. Yeah. Yeah. >> You definitely did today, >> dude. I'm going to your show tonight. I'm going to love it. America wants to.

know this before I go. >> The White House card. Is it happening? >> Supposedly. Yeah. Supposedly July 4th. next year. Yeah. >> Okay. July 4th next year. >> Yep. >> Okay. That's It's going to be amazing. >> It should be wild. >> Is Jones coming back? >> I don't know. You know, it's a lot of. time between now and then. He's He's a. wild card. >> Yeah. All right. >> I'd like to see it. I'd like to see him. fight for the title on the White House. lawn. That'd be pretty wild. >> It's It's crazy. No. Okay. So, I I. didn't mean to drag that one out, but.

anyway. Thank you, man. >> All right. Thank you. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].