Joe Rogan Experience #2349 - Danny Jones

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. >> The Joe Rogan Experience. >> Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. >> It's so [ __ ] weird to be sitting. here, bro. >> Is it. >> so strange? I feel like I've I've been. like a video game observer and now I'm. like in the video game. >> Are we on? >> Yeah. You kind of are. I mean, it's weird. It's weird for me, >> you know.

>> Yeah, bro. Well, thanks for thank you. for being like the number one uh. promoter of my YouTube channel over the. past couple weeks, bro. >> My pleasure. It's great stuff, man. I. watch it all the time. You're really. good. You got great shows, man. >> I appreciate that. >> And I get good guests from your show. Like, there's a couple people that have. been on your show that I've had on my. show. >> Yeah. Yeah. Chris Dunn was the first. dude, I think. And then, uh, you. recently had Mary Bowden and a few. others. >> Yeah. Yeah. Christopher Dunn, man, that. was a wild one. And now that they found. these structures underneath the pyramid, it's kind of validating a lot of the.

things these people are saying. >> You know, there's a lot of controversy. about what those structures are and what. it means and and how accurate the. readings are, but they do know that. those satellite images were able to show. very accurately this one tomb that was. 50 ft underground. And they it showed. the dimensions of this one tomb. So, I. don't know what the capabilities are if. it really can decipher what's under two. kilometers of, you know, whatever is. underneath Giza, but there's something.

going on for sure. >> Yeah. I had a dude on my show a couple. weeks ago who was explaining how that. was a part of some YouTube channel that. put something together in Italy, I think. it was. And um the people that were. involved with it were promoting some. sort of technology that had something to. do with penetrating the ground. Some. like different kind of lidar or. something like this. >> It's what is it called? Something. tomography, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Jamie, see what it's called? But these. guys just did another uh explanation of.

it like another deep dive where they did. like this presentation and showed it. It's very convincing. Like there's a lot. of people that are 100% on board. I mean. it remains to be seen. It has to be. vetted. But according to uh you know. some people that I trust that really. understand the technology that said. there's absolutely something there. M. >> you know whether or not the the problem. is they made those 3D detailed images of. what it looked like sort of an artist. rendition. >> and you looked at those and it's got.

like the coils and the spirals and like. yeah it. >> looks a little too much. >> I don't know what that is. You could see. there are coils around those columns but. what are they? Are they stairs? Is it a. like a coil that generates like an. energy coil? Like. >> something that conducts electricity or. carries electricity? Like what is it? >> It's a solid state electron harvester. Is that what they say? >> That's what Chris Dunn says. I don't. know. I don't know. >> We talked to him about what's. underneath. >> Yeah. He thinks that it was uh he thinks. that the whole thing, his new book, which is called the Tesla connection, basically explains that it's a uh.

>> he thinks that there was like a. a device in the subterranean chamber, like a hammer that hammered the earth. And then the plane, the Giza plateau, is. like. >> is active seis seismically active area. And when it hammers the earth, it. creates many earthquakes. You're. familiar with this, right? Right. And it. and it vibrates all the limestone. >> All the limestone. And it's got like. this hammer this effect like do and it. creates some sort of a vibration in the. granite and the limestone. >> Yeah.

>> Okay. Uh. to overcome this uh author has analyzed. micro movements within the pyramid. typically induced by background seismic. waves to achieve high resolution full 3D. tomographic images of its interior. imaging of its interior and subsurface. The approach rendered the pyramid. transparent, allowing for the. reconstruction of internal objects and. the discovery of previously unseen. structures. >> So if it's got an act if if it works and. shows the actual internal structure of. the pyramid accurately and it can.

accurately depict that one u the one was. it a temple or what was it that was. >> I feel was it I feel like it was a. temple that was 50 ft underground. It. had the exact interior dimensions of it. Yeah, I mean. >> there's probably something to it and. we're going to find out eventually. hopefully. >> You think? >> I don't know, man. These guys like like. guys like Zawi Has and these these. gatekeepers of this information, they do. not want any groundbreaking new. discovery to come out. They really.

don't. >> Especially something like that. If you. really find out there's there's giant. columns underneath the pyramid and that. there's these structures that go down 2. kilometers into the ground, like all. bets are off then. Like try explaining. that away for people that live 2,500 BC. Like that's kind of kooky. >> Yeah. I mean, you know, the the mystery. of the pyramids and, you know, moving. those blocks and building that [ __ ]. thing that long ago is crazy on one. hand, but then on the other hand, those.

[ __ ] granite vases. >> Oh, yeah. >> That are so precise within like the. deviation of a human hair. >> Yeah. This is a 3D uh print of one of. them that Christopher Dunn gave me. >> Yeah. It's insane. It's insane. They. measured these on light scanners at like. a huge aerospace corporation somewhere. >> and they found out like it's so. symmetrical you couldn't make this. unless you had a CNC machine. >> Right. And then how would you make the. handles? >> Right. Exactly. Cuz it's a part of it. >> Right. It's not like you can even turn. it on a lathe. >> Right. >> And it's accurate. How many thousandth of a human hair?

>> Yeah. I think it's like Yeah. I think. it's like 1 1000th of a human hair. Like. completely undetectable. >> Bananas. And then there's also some of. those uh sculptures that they made that. look like they're 3D printed. I mean, they're incredible. Perfectly. symmetrical on the left side, the right. side, and. >> we don't really understand it. And we. don't know what technology they were. using, what kind of tools they were. using. >> It's and it's hard to know, man. It's. it's it's hard to know like without, you. know, when they burned the Library of. Alexandria and they destroyed all the.

records, like there's so much missing. from the history of of Egypt and how. they did what they did. Mhm. >> Just moving the stuff. How did you move. it? How did you move those [ __ ]. enormous stones? Like, what did you do? >> Have you heard of uh this dude named. Jeffrey Drum? He has a channel called. The Land of Chem. He live he lives in. Egypt. He lives uh like I think right. across the street from the Pyramids and. he's basically got this very interesting. theory that it was all chemical.

manufacturing and the pyramids were. chemical manufacturing plants. And I am. going to like butcher this description, but I'm going to do my best. Basically, what he found was that in a bunch of the. other pyramids, like the Red Pyramid and. some of the other pyramids, he's been in. there and gone through them all. And. he's basically. what they describe when they go in there. is this smell, which some people equate. to being like batshit. But what he. thinks is going on is it's creating some. sort of like a chemical reaction in.

those chambers to create fertilizer. because there's a subterranean chamber. below those where they have like all. kinds of they were putting [ __ ] in. there, like animal [ __ ] down there. >> And then there's also these like. ravines, these like cutout channels that. come out of the bottom of the pyramid. and there's these bowls that were. supposed to collect like chemicals. So. he has this really elaborate theory on. how which I when I heard him tell me. this, it made so much sense. But the. problem was like it makes sense. It.

seems super reasonable, but like. why build these massive structures that. are so precise just to make chemicals? And you know, he was explaining like the. agriculture and like why they needed to. create fertilizer and um why they need. the massive stone structure to. fertilizer. >> Right. Exactly. >> Isn't it possible that things also had. one they they like they built them and. then someone used them later on for. different purposes?

Isn't that possible as well? >> I think so. >> Like instead of it being built for that, like maybe they just used it for that. eventually. >> That's possible. Yeah. But it seems like. the way he was describing the interior. though of that of the red pyramid was. like he it was reverse engineered to. actually create the chemical that they. they would have needed to. >> enhance the agriculture of the area. >> Like they showed it they actually. created it in a in a lab with like using. the chemical process. I think there was. like some Nazi scientists involved in.

this. Of course. >> Of course. The recreation of it. Yeah. Well, Christopher Dunn stuff was all. about them creating hydrogen, right? >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> That was that's what he felt like the. whole thing like was generating hydrogen. and that's what he thought. the whole uh. those columns that went down, those. passages that went down and then there. was the porest limestone that was at the. end that seeped through and he believed. that this was all like some sort of a a. chemical. >> reaction that they had to doing this.

what is here Jamie. >> oh the red pyramid was okay built as a. power plant to produce ammonia from. methane and nitrogen that's what it was. >> Fritz Hobber won the Nobel Prize about a. century ago yeah the hobber process. >> Fritz Hobers is a crazy story. Do you. know that story? >> No. >> Okay. Fritz Hobber, he devised a method. of extracting nitrogen from the. atmosphere. Um, and he for that he was. winning a Nobel Prize at the same time.

in which he was being wanted for war. crimes because he also created cyclon. gas. >> So he created the gas that they were. using to spray on the allies. So they. would get this this gas and spray it. with fans. This was the first time. they'd ever done something like this. before. Use gas in warfare. >> And they used and he was a Jew. And they. used uh he created Cyclon A, which was. then converted to Cyclon B. So Cyclon A.

had a very disgusting smell to it, so. you knew it was coming. And then Cyclon. B they used during the Holocaust to gas. the Jews. >> And it had no smell. So they they Yeah. So I think it was initially made as a. pesticide. I think that was the initial. >> here. See what it says there. >> Oh, this is different. We're not. talking. >> This is about the how the Egypt thing. would have been the same. >> Okay, we'll get to that. But the Fritz. Hobert thing, um you know, he was.

eventually exiled from um from Nazi. Germany because he was Jewish. like they. allowed him to stay initially in the. beginning because he was so valuable. because he had done so much. >> and because he did create this gas that. they were using to gas the allies and. then you know but imagine guys up for a. Nobel Prize at the same time where he's. wanted for war crimes. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And because he was doing all this, his.

wife commits suicide. She shoots herself. uh in the chest. Uh he leaves her and. his uh 13-year-old son to go to the. front line while she's struggling for. her life. Like she's still alive. She. eventually dies. He leaves her. Yeah. It. was the whole thing's horrific. And then. he dies on the run. >> So he dies. Uh I think he had a heart. complication, which duh, how much stress. was that guy under? Right. And then he. leaves Nazi Germany when you know the.

[ __ ] is going down. He's on the run and. he winds up dying on the run. I think he. was dying on his way to try to seek. medical care. >> Yeah, bro. That uh I mean the story of. what those [ __ ] Nazis were doing is. bananas. >> You had Annie on here and she talked. about uh. >> what was going on when she tried to. interview some of those guys that were. still in Germany. I think she tried to. interview like the grandson of one of. the dudes that she wrote about. Uh I. can't remember his name right now. A. dude with like a huge dueling scar on. his face. And this guy like wanted.

nothing to do with his with his father. or whatever. And uh you know she had. these documents that she found when she. went to Germany and she was like she I. guess she found a bunch of notes or. whatever that he wrote to his son when. he came when after he went to America. with paperclip and his grand or this was. his grandson I think. Operation. Paperclip for people listening is they. they shipped over a bunch of the best. Nazi scientists and brought him into. NASA and some other departments at the. end of the war.

>> and the grandson wanted nothing to do. with his father. He like detested him. his father with every fiber of his. being. And she was showing him the notes. and like showing him like the humanity. of the guy. The guy was torn between. like being this scientist contracted to. do all this crazy [ __ ] for America, but. he still loved his wife and son on the. other hand. And he was like, he was so. just torn apart by the fact that he had. to leave them behind. And then she. showed the dude the documents. And then. Annie Jacobson freaking hightailed out. of there with all that secret Nazi [ __ ].

Like didn't get caught, >> which is incredible. >> Well, it's just wild the stuff they were. working on. Like, how were they so. advanced? >> And why were they so obsessed with the. occult? >> Yeah. >> You know, >> it's like all that Indiana Jones stuff. that was kind of legit. Like they were. really interested in the occult. M. >> interdimensional aliens. What's Alex. think about? >> Dimensional child molesters. >> I haven't talked to him about that. We. we we have talked about Operation. Paperclip, but only in regards to like.

Warner von Braun and you know they were. in like deep denial about that. But the. Simon Whisinthal Center said that if. Warner von Braonn was alive today, he. would be prosecuted. >> He'd be prosecuted for crimes against. humanity. >> Yeah. He would when he was running his. rocket factory in Berlin, he would take. the five slowest Jews and hang them. Yeah. from the front of the the the. factory so that as you're walking in. like this is what happens if you move. slowly. >> and that was the head of NASA who. supposedly got us to the moon. >> Mhm.

>> Speaking of the moon. >> Have you seen that documentary called. Room 237? >> Yes. >> I just watched it last night. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> [ __ ] bananas. >> Yeah, that's bananas. the the. connections between Cubric's The Shining. and the moon landing and all the hidden. stuff that he did, all the Easter eggs, including the little boy with the NASA. shirt on, the Apollo shirt, >> Apollo 11 shirt on, and then the key to. the room 237 said room instead of N. O237. It just said room in 237. So, you.

could, bro, I mean, I am like, >> what does that mean? So, like if you. take the letters R O M and then N, you. can com re rec re reccombobulate them to. say moon. >> Oh god. Right. Like there's so much dot. connecting in that [ __ ] in that. documentary. It's absurd. There's an. absurd level of dot connecting that just. is is uh unreasonable. But. >> the stuff about the moon though, like. the kid wearing the Apollo 11 shirt, right? >> The number of the door is the distance. from the Earth to the moon in miles.

>> Yeah. Thousands of miles. >> Yeah. I think it's like a thousand miles. short. >> Yeah. And then like also the psychological uh. trauma the the the scenes with Jack and. his wife saying like don't you know what. a contract is where he's like living his. double life and he's like arguing with. his wife and talking about contracts and. secrecy and all this stuff. >> and then uh and then you know there's. that we there's so many weird things and. like the ball rolls up to Danny on the. carpet. >> and then it cuts and then it cuts back.

to him while he picks up the ball and. the carpet shape is different. There's. so many like strange Easter eggs in. there. >> What's that supposed to signify? >> I have no idea. It's just like another. It's just It either that movie has like. an insane level of like uh continuity. errors or he was doing something. >> Oh, he was probably doing it on purpose. You know, Cubrick in his spare time. would do complex mathematics in his. spare time. Yeah, he was like a. legitimate genius. And it's amazing that he pulled off the.

greatest science fiction movie of all. time. Yeah. Especially at the time. >> during the exact same time period where. the moon landings were filmed and the. stuff from 2001 is more sophisticated. It looks better than the stuff from the. moon landings. So like the idea that you. couldn't fake it, >> it's like that guy could fake it 100% he. could fake it, >> right? And if they hired him to fake it, if they brought him aboard, >> the idea that he wouldn't be able to. keep secret, like, of course he could, >> right? >> Yeah. People keep secrets. This idea.

that people can't keep secrets because. some people can't keep secrets. Like, >> listen, high level military guys keep. secrets all the [ __ ] time. They go to. the grave with those secrets, >> right? >> Yeah. They swear to secrecy. They swear. to an oath, >> you know? They have top secret clearance. and above and whatever it is. And they. don't say [ __ ] forever. Their whole f. [ __ ] family doesn't know what they're. doing. >> Yeah. Yeah. The uh the thing about the like if. you if you think the moon landing was. fake, you're a [ __ ]. But it's it's like the thing about it is.

if they even if you want to say they did. to go to the moon, wouldn't it be uh. reasonable to suggest that they would. have had a backup plan in case they. couldn't get there? like like have some. sort of a video footage that they they. shot or whatever. >> Well, not only that, they filmed a lot. of training footage and they they. definitely tried to pass some of that. training footage off as legit. That's. proven like the Michael Collins from. >> Gemini. I forget what mission it was. It.

was a spacew walk. So there's an image. of him uh that was in training and you. know he's got the suit on and the wires. and he's you know working with uh the. space suit that you use when you're. actually in you know outside of the the. capsule or whatever the [ __ ] they call. it. And what they did was from the. training mission they just blacked out. the exterior of the same photo and. reversed it. So they switched the photo. the other way blacked it's the exact. same photo the exact same photo. and.

they tried to pass it off as Michael. Collins on the spacew walk because you. got to think like how are they taking. pictures? Who's who's going to take the. picture of him out there? This is part. of the problem with um I think it was. Apollo. [Music]. 12 or 13, whichever one it was where. they got the footage of the the lunar. module leaving the the moon and going. back towards the orbiter. >> And it looks so fake. It looks so fake. It looks so ridiculous. There's no. plumes of of fire. It like how does it.

have the power? Where's the engine? >> They usually car batteries right. >> on that thing. Allegedly, that's what. Bart Sabrell says. >> It's still 16th the Earth's gravity. It's still a significant amount of. gravity. It's not the same gravity as. Earth, but how does that thing like. shoot off into space? Like that's. nonsense. It looks It looks like it's. being pulled by strings. Yeah. And the. camera, which is operated, you know, remotely pans perfectly to catch it. Like, shut the [ __ ] up. But how are you. getting that footage? Like, what are you. doing? This is 1969. You're on the phone.

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healthy weight can live up to two and a. half years longer. Head to the. farmersdog.com/roganogen. to get 50% off your first box, plus free. shipping. This offer is for new. customers only. >> Right in the middle of Operation. Paperclip, MK Ultra, the Cold War, all. the [ __ ] deception that was going on, all the secrets. They lied about. everything. >> That was the time in history where they. probably had the most [ __ ] lies. >> Vietnam war. They lied about everything. So the the idea that they didn't lie.

about this one thing, the moonlanding. was all 100% legit. Meanwhile, you've. got intersecting shadows. You've got all. sorts of problems. You've got. >> the weirdest one is Neil Armstrong's. 25th anniversary speech that he gave at. the White House. >> That was so crazy. We have here among us. America's bre best and brightest. You. will achieve great things. Great. Once. you reveal some of truth's hidden. layers. >> Once the hidden layers are uncovered, >> what?

>> How about just say I went to the moon 25. years ago? Like what is all this cryptic. talk? >> That was the only time you ever did a. public talk. I think about it. >> Well, the other thing is the post-flight. press conference. The post-flight press. conference looks like these guys have a. gun to their head. It looks like a. hostage video. It looks so weird. Yeah. And people say, "Oh, they were nervous. They just got back from the moon." Bro, look at Katy Perry. She She went. basically a little bit higher than an. airplane and it was like a life-changing. experience. She's holding up a daisy. It. was amazing. I feel so connected to. Mother Earth. You know, like these guys.

would have been ecstatic. The idea that. they would been nervous as if they've. been forced to lie. They're behaving. like behavior experts have looked at. that footage and said, "These guys are. being deceptive.". >> Yes. >> Particularly Michael Collins. Mhm. >> There's also inconsistent things with. what he said during the post-flight. press press conference right after. flying in comparison to his 1994 book. >> Change the story, right? >> Changes the story about being able to. see the stars. >> They what were the stars like? And he's. like, I don't. >> remember Carl Steing stars.

>> And then in the 1994 book, he talks. about how amazing they were and. incredible. The footage that Sabrrell acquired that. shows that it appears that they covered. up the windows to make this deceptive. film that looks like they're far into. space. That's a weird one, man, because. I can't find any rational explanation. that's like I tried to look at it like. as objectively as possible because I've. gone back and forth on the moon thing. Like at one point in time I thought I'm.

I'm just being really stupid. Like of. course they went to the moon. Everybody. would know about this. And then over. time, like I joked about it in my comedy. special, like after CO, I'm like, I. don't think we went to the moon. But. that's kind of true. Like once I saw the. level of deception that was willfully. pushed forth during CO and how many. people were cooperating with this and. like how many organizations, government. organizations were cooperating, knowing. that they lied, knowing that these were. lies. I'm like, yeah, they can they can. lie about all kinds of things. And this. is today with the internet, you know,

like look, where's the Epstein files? Oh, can't find them. Don't exist. Like, they can get away with [ __ ] man. And. the idea that they couldn't in 1969, shut the [ __ ] up. >> Shut the [ __ ] up. They could fake that. >> It'd be easier to go to the moon than it. would be to fake it. Shut the [ __ ] up. No, it wouldn't. Not if you physically. can't get a human being through the Van. Allen radiation belts without them. dying. >> They never even flew a chicken through. those [ __ ] things and had it come.

back alive. Russia threw flew a dog and. it came back and died two days later. I. think. >> they but they didn't even go to deep. space. >> No, they just threw the I think they. just went into the belt and then did a. U-turn. >> Bro, no one's even been close. >> Have you seen the the I'm sure you've. seen this. The photo of Jolly West. hanging out on the set of 2001 Space. Odyssey? >> No. >> You haven't seen it? >> Oh. Oh, that's amazing. >> Should I send it on? >> [ __ ] yeah. Send it to Jamie. >> Oh my god. Do. >> you have his number? >> Uh, no. Um, here.

>> But you could probably Google it. >> It's probably not that. >> See if you could find it if you Google. it. >> Yeah, just Jolly West uh Stanley Kubrick. 2001 Space Odyssey. It's a It's a photo. of them walking between the soundstages. and it's a wide shot of a bunch of. dudes. >> Listen, man. Of course they There's. >> That's not it. That's not it. >> Of course they would contact Cubric if. they wanted to go to the moon and fake. it. Yeah. >> And of course if Cubri was if you're in. the middle of the Cold War, which they. were, which is very terrifying. >> Right.

>> Right. When I was a kid, when I was in. high school, we were terrified of Russia. bombing America. >> Yes. >> Everyone was like really concerned and. Russia was the great enemy. You know, the the video of Crush yelling, "We will. bury you." Like that was like burned. into every American child's mind. And if. you were a patriot and you wanted to. defeat Russia, we have a strategy to. defeat Russia. And this is what we're. going to do. We're going to, first of. all, we're going to bankrupt them by. just making them spend to keep up with. us. They don't they don't have a.

capitalist society. So they don't they. don't really have a GDP like well they. have a GDP but they don't have like the. same sort of corporate structure that we. have in America where they're like. striving and innovating and developing. new things and the companies are getting. bigger and there's more growth and no. they're a communist. They were a. communist country. So everything was. like food lines and. >> they didn't have the the kind of money. that we have. It was it wasn't even. close. So Reagan essentially bankrupted. them and then you know during the time. and you know all the other people before. him as well. But during the time where.

they were developing these these rocket. ships the Russians were way more. advanced than us and basically every. single thing they got to space first put. the first man in space put the first. satellite in space. >> and they couldn't even come close to. putting a a guy on the moon. >> Yeah. It's amazing. It's it's uh it's. incredible also that uh there was never. another nuke that was sent to anybody. after the after fat man and little boy. >> Yeah, that's incredible. >> It's really it is really insane to think. about sometimes.

>> Yeah, that's one of the great. achievements of human beings. >> We did it once and we said let's not do. that again. >> Annie's book about nuclear war scared. the living [ __ ] out of me, bro. >> Oh my god. Yeah, it's a good one. >> How she said that we have 11 interceptor. missiles in the US. >> That's it. A total I think it's I think. it's 11 or maybe 22 or no it's 44. >> Russia has 5,000 missiles. >> Yeah. Yeah. And the problem with it is. like if a rogue nuke got launched from. North Korea from one of their. submarines, it would have to fly over. the North Pole right towards us and as.

soon as they launch it with all of our. satellite systems that we can detect the. thing the uh rocket burner like going. into orbit, we'll know within five. minutes of them launching it probably. before. And then we literally have to I. guess like the way she described it was. our policy is once that nuke is. launched, we have to empty our silos, our ICBM silos because they're. stationary. They can't if they're hit, they're going to they're going to try to. take us out at those ICBM sites. That's. going to be like one of their first. targets. So use or lose, you have to. launch all those ICBM nukes and then we.

have to fly those over the North Pole. over Russia to hit North Korea. And it. takes like 11 minutes. So, like you got. to get Putin on the phone in 10 minutes. saying, "Yo, these nukes aren't coming. for you, bro. They're going for Kim. Jong-un. >> Oh my god.". >> And then by that time, it's like if you. don't have like perfect communication. amongst all these world leaders, everyone's going to be launching nukes. >> Well, you know the story about that one. Russian military guy that was the reason. why Russia didn't launch a retaliatory. strike because there was a error. Yeah.

>> There was an error and they thought the. United States had launched a missile. towards Russia and they were ready to. respond. Wow, >> that's Jolly West in the background. Bro, >> it's unconfirmed if it was him. I don't. know if anyone confirmed it. >> That's If you can find a young. >> zoom on him. Zoom in on him. >> Yes, I did. >> Let's zoom in on him right here. >> I saw the video where someone's talking. about it. And that's. >> Oh, that's him, bro. >> I don't know. >> What are you talking about? You don't. know. >> I haven't. >> Jamie works for the government, by the. way. Jamie Se. >> Look at that. That's 100% him. Look at. that picture. Now, go to the other. picture you just showed. That's him. >> That's Jolly West.

>> Yeah, that's him, dude. I mean, >> nothing to see here. >> Yeah, that is 100% him. That's exact. same face. >> Wow. Shut the [ __ ] up, J. >> Find another one. Corroborate it. >> That's I'm just I don't I don't think. >> out of all the people that uh I wish. were alive that I could talk to, Cubric. is number one on that list. >> Really? >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. First of all, he. made some of the most impactful Well, I. would like to talk to Jolly West, too, if he'd be willing. [ __ ] Be a few. people. >> I don't feel like they look the same. >> Dude was everywhere. >> Yeah, that looks like him. Jamie,

>> it looks similar. >> Yeah, it looks like. >> it doesn't look like that guy. >> Look at that guy. Look at the far left. photo. I mean I mean it seems it seems. pretty close. >> Jamie, that's him. Shut the [ __ ] up. >> Hairline's identical. Look at the. hairline. >> Jamie's a party pooper. >> Jamie is a total party poop. >> I like the I want good evidence. There's. a little heart right here on that guy's. head and that guy's got. >> Oh my god, he combed his hair different. Crazy. I mean, >> I hate when facts don't line up with my. part in the second one is exactly the. same. That one right there is exactly. the same. It is. >> He started losing his hair and he.

started doing a little bit of a comb. over. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Um, look, man, that guy was one of. the biggest pieces of [ __ ] in the. history of the United States government. What he did was nuts. Just just the. [ __ ] Manson stuff was nuts. The MK. Ultra stuff was unbel. And imagine you. could do all this stuff. No one's. investigating you. No one even knows. It's all completely top secret. Congress. has no idea you even exist in this. realm. >> And they were running around doing like. >> Yeah. I was talking to Hamilton about.

I'm like, "Dude, isn't that crazy all. the stuff they were doing with MK. Ultra?" Hamilton's like, "Uh, no. Of. course those guys were doing that shit.". Hamilton. >> Hamilton Morris. >> Oh, Hamilton. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. That guy. Of course. >> Like, of course doing that, bro. >> Yeah. Well, I mean, look, if you have. some unique compound like LSD. >> and, you know, gets, you know, Hoffman. discovers it and then they start. experimenting like what can we do with. this stuff? And then you you find it has. profound effects on the human mind. Of.

course, you're going to try to use it. for mind control. They had already. experimented with all sorts of. techniques in regards to um doing it. with prisoners like taking prisoners and. trying to figure out like what kind of. sleep deprivation, what kind of what. psychological techniques can you use to. extract information from them. So, if. you had something like LSD, of course. they're going to try that. >> Makes sense. >> Yeah. They were doing it way back in the. 50s in the UK with those British. soldiers. I'm sure you've seen that. video.

>> No, I have not. >> You never seen that? No. They dosed up. these soldiers with acid and then had. them go out into the field and do these. training routines, training exercises. And they couldn't do it. They could they. see you can find the video. It's. hilarious. They they were just laughing. so hard they couldn't perform. Like some. of them were able to do their duties and. other ones just fell to the ground. They. were just laughing and rolling around. the ground. Like this is them. >> This is 64. >> These guys are high on acid. Is that. what it says, Jamie? >> Did you just set make it smaller again. so you can see it? >> Uh, yeah. 64 Royal Marines. So, look at.

these poor guys. The men begin to relax. and giggle. >> What the [ __ ] are we doing here, bro? >> They probably didn't even tell them. And. this guy freaked out. He had to be. removed. He's holding that lady's hand. I love you. I think you're amazing. We're all connected. God is real. There. is no death. And [ __ ] He's aiming the missile. He's like, he's aiming this [ __ ] this. cannon. Look at these people. Not the. bunch of indecision as they enter a.

wood. Almost immediately, the section. section commander tried to use a map. He. couldn't read the map. They're just. tripping balls. Oh my god. >> It's so funny that they try. Look at. their smile on their face. These guys. guy's got his hand over his head like, "What is going on, man?" And they're. supposed to be doing these exercises. radio communication. Difficult if not. impossible. He's like, "Fuck this.". >> Unfucking real. >> Look at this guy's just laying down. laughing, having so much fun.

He tried to chop a a tree down using. only a spade. No, sense of. responsibility in spite of physical. illnesses. But one hour in. >> imagine what they're doing now. >> Those guys are dead. There's uh yeah, the DARPA um that DARPA grant that went. to University of North Carolina to. figure out how to take the psychedelic. trip out of uh LSD, I think it was. >> Yeah. >> They're trying to make super soldiers, right? They're trying to make them so. they can This is what I've heard is that.

they are trying to. >> make them more effective on the. battlefield, right, >> with things like edge detection, >> right? And also coming back like get. back out there like like take him. through the take him through the. process, let him recoup and get right. back out on the battlefield. >> to where uh you know if you could if you. could get all the benefits of a. psychedelic without the trip, >> right? >> Would you get those benefits and would. it be useful for soldiers in combat? You. know, it's interesting idea. >> Well, the Vikings took mushrooms and the.

berserkers. They would take mushrooms. before combat. Yeah, I mean it it does make sense. It. really does. It doesn't make sense to us. because we think of mushrooms as like, you know, hey man, I'm going to go. connect with God and it's going to be. peaceful. I'm going to lay in a field. It's going to be amazing. I'm going to. reset and come back and tell everybody I. love them. >> You know, that's what mushrooms are to. us. But if you live in an insanely. warlike culture and you believe it's. right to go to battle and you're. supposed to go to battle and Odin is on.

your side and you take these mushrooms. to summon the strength of the gods and. >> to prepare yourself for battle and. there's I know a lot of guys who fight. on mushrooms. >> Really? >> Yeah. Yeah. Like Joe Schilling talked. about on the podcast, he he fought he. took like a small dose and was sparring. and um then fought a few kickboxing. bouts that way. He said he could see. what guys were doing before they were. doing it. It's almost like he could and. Joe Schilling is a world champion, like. an elite kickboxer,

>> like one of the best ever. And so for a. guy like that to say that it had a. profound effect on him. He knows he. knows his body like he's. >> battleh hardened. He knows the. difference between regular fighting and. fighting on mushrooms. >> He said he could see he could almost. like know what they were going to do. before they did it. >> That was wild. >> Yeah. They are um there's this dude. who's like I heard about Dana Beal who's. flying Ibagane to the troops in Ukraine. to the Ukrainian troops trying to get. those guys on Ibagane. >> And meanwhile the Russians are on uh.

what's that meth drug? There's like a. new age meth that they're on. >> There's a new age meth. >> Yeah, there's a new version of it. >> The new version of what the Nazis. >> It's not pervat. It's like a new version. of it. It's like a little bit It's a. little bit tamer. at all. >> I guess maybe. >> This episode is brought to you by. Visible. I want to let you in on. something. Your current wireless carrier. does not want you to know about Visible. because Visible is the ultimate wireless. hack. No confusing plans with surprise. fees, no nonsense, just fast speeds,

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visible? Well, now you know. Switch. today at visible.com/rogan. Terms apply. See visible.com for planned. features and network management details. >> Maybe like super Aderall, but uh. million prescriptions of Aderall given. in this country every year. >> Gavin McInness told me before I came. here, I was like, "You got any advice. for Joe Rogan?" He's like, >> he said, "Slam three beers and eat an. Adderall." I was like, "No, bro.". >> That sounds like what he would do.

>> Yeah. Yeah, he came. Do you ever see the. time he came in dressed like Michael. Douglas? Walking down. >> Of course. >> Walking. What is it? What was the movie? >> Uh, I forget the name of the movie, but. yeah. No. >> Freaked out. Michael Douglas like had. enough. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. No, he uh he slams beers 24/7. He's constantly drinking Budweiser. >> I've never seen him without a Budweiser. in his hand. >> It works. >> Yeah, >> he's great. >> Oh, he's a smart guy. >> Yeah, he's a funny guy, too. He just the. Proud Boys thing was just if he had.

never done that, he would be like a well. a famous commentator today. Like you. think about like like Steve Bannon, all. these other guys like he's way funnier. than any of those guys. >> Oh yeah. He's very insightful. Like he's. right about a lot of things. He like. picks up on trends and culture and sees. where people are going and and he was. aware of like the dangers of Marxism and. a lot of this [ __ ] ridiculous leftist. ideology that they were pushing in. universities like way before anybody. else was. >> Yeah. Um there was this documentary that. just came out all about him from one of.

the guys, Thomas, that used to work for. Vice. He was like one of the original um. reporters for Vice. He did all like of. the early stuff. And uh he made this. documentary all about Gavin. And it's. like focuses on the transformation from. like early punk rock, >> like liberal Gavin in the UK with like. the mobs and the rockers. >> to like the current Gavin, which is. like, you know, he frames him as like. this super right-wing racist dude. >> And uh, you know, I was asking Gavin. about it because he came on the podcast.

recently and uh, he's like, "I've always. been the same." He's like, he was. explaining that his views never changed. He was saying that like Vice. >> all of a sudden was getting infused with. millions of corporate dollars and I. wasn't a good look for that. They didn't. want me in there. But meanwhile, he was. like the whole soul of Vice. Like if. there was no Gavin, there was no Vice. Like all the controversial dos and. don'ts [ __ ] and like all those. controversial articles about like trans. trans [ __ ] early in like the early 2000s.

that he was doing was funny. And like. culture didn't look at it the way it. looks at it today, you know? Well, he. was being attacked for things that are. like openly discussed today like the. dangers of trans ideology and that these. are just men and a lot of these men are. doing it because they're perverts and so. they're they're they're autogophelics. and you know autogenia is a real thing. It's men who get sexually aroused. They're pretending that they're women. and they want to go into women's spaces. and be sexually aroused, >> you know. Um now people are saying that.

openly, right? like um was it what was. the university that uh Leah Thomas was. swimming in? >> Pen. Okay. So, they have to take away. all of air quotes her gold medals. It's. a guy like has a penis, has sex with. women supposedly. >> according to Tony Hinchcliffe. That's my. number one source of news. Um but he. actually has a bit about it. It's really. funny. But the the university now has to. apologize to all the women that were. forced to compete with him.

>> and, you know, say they [ __ ] up and. never do it again and not allow. biological men to compete with women, which is like it should be that that. should be a left-wing perspective. >> Not that you shouldn't be able to be. trans. Of course, you should be able to. do whatever you want. You know, I'm I'm. for you doing whatever you want if you. don't hurt other people, right? If you. really believe you're a woman and look, if you can get fake tits and you can get. fake lips and you can get a dick. enlargement and like do whatever you. want to do. I don't care. Do whatever. you want to do. I'm covered with. tattoos. I've made stupid decisions. Like do whatever you want to do. But uh.

when you're competing with women, you. are essentially victimizing these women. You're you're forcing these women to. compete with men who've been through. puberty and in this case still have a. functional penis like which is [ __ ]. bananas. That's a man. Just because you. think you're a woman, you you physically. we know there's a difference. >> Yeah. >> I didn't know it was a giant problem. until there was that fighter, Fallon. Fox, who had competed twice against. women without letting them know that. this person was a biological male for 30.

years, fathered a child, the whole deal. I'm like, this is crazy. And that his. response was, it's a medical condition, so I don't have to disclose this. >> You know, it's medical information, which is just horseshit. Yeah. It's It's. crazy. And when I was saying that, I got. attacked like over and over and over. again. I go, "Whoa, this is from the. left." Like the left has no problem with. a mentally ill man beating the [ __ ] out. of women. >> Falsely claiming that they're what? Not.

even allowing these women to know. These. women think they're going to go compete. in a low-level MMA fight. Like, a lot of. them didn't look good. They didn't look. like they're well trained. and they're. competing against a biological man. without having any idea. One of them got. a fractured skull. >> You know, it's like that's when I would. realize like, oh, this is just a cult. This isn't the left that I grew up with. You know, I grew up with parents that. were hippies and so like my whole life I. was leftwing. I I felt like that was the. only way to be. But when you see the.

left allowing this bizarre loophole. where perverts can pretend to be women, right? compete with women, fight with. women, beat them up, be in their their. locker rooms, walk around naked with. their dick hanging out, no one can say. anything. Like, how did they switch? How. did they flip it on its head that like. at any other time in history, if a man. had a penis, was walking through a young. girl's locker room, you'd be in real. [ __ ] trouble. Rightly so, because. that's not a thing that you should want.

to do. >> That's a weird thing to want to rock. walk around naked with your dick hanging. out in front of a bunch of women. That's. That's a creepy sexual thing. Period. >> Yeah. Yeah. Unless you're like Nero, you're not doing that, you know? >> Yeah. >> Even Nero. >> Sick [ __ ] But like another thing Gavin. was pointing out to, he showed me this. New York Time or not New York Times, this Time magazine cover from like a. couple months ago. Uh and it was all. about how to boys are going extinct. >> Mhm. >> You've seen that? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> It's incredible. >> Yeah. Because they're turning them all. over. >> They're cutting their tits off and. turning them into boys. >> Cutting their tits off and and and then.

giving them fake dicks. I was watching. this operation today. You watched an. operation. >> I I watched Excuse me. I should say. this. I was watching a video in the. posttop. I I saw images of the. operation. That was enough. But it was. this poor person who uh decided they. wanted a pee standing up. That was all. they wanted from this fake dick. So they. have these enormous scars on their leg. where they take a giant chunk of flesh. out of your thigh and roll it up and. make a penis out of it. And they had to. do it to both legs for some reason. Maybe one of them didn't work real real. well. But how old was this person?

>> Uh they sounded young. They didn't show. their face. You know, it's it's [ __ ] insane. because a lot of these people. unfortunately are autistic and um and. then the there's this other factor when. you give them testosterone, it does. alleviate anxiety because all of a. sudden, you know, you have this new. hormone in abundance in your system. >> Yeah. >> And you feel different. You feel better. You feel more confident, which is like. the same way men feel when they have. more testosterone. It's like then all a. sudden you're like, "Oh, this is who I. was all along." Like, no, no, no. You're. taking a [ __ ] compound that's forcing.

your body to change. Like this is not. who you were. You're not affirming your. identity. You're doing something that's. altering your hormonal structure and. turning you into a man. Like it might. feel good, but this is not like your. true self. This is crazy. Like I'm not. saying you shouldn't be able to do it. If you want to do if you're a woman and. you want to take testosterone and be a. man or be more manly, >> I don't I I feel like. >> I don't know if it's the best decision. for you, but I'm not you. And I'm I. believe in freedom. I believe in 100%. human freedom as long as you're not.

hurting other people. >> Yeah. >> My my my beef with it is like it. translated into them invading women's. spaces. And you know that's crazy. That's crazy because you. >> you leave the loophole for perverts. There could be a lot of them that. legitimately trans people that feel like. they are in the wrong body and they want. to live their life as a woman. And when. they live their life as a woman they. feel healthier, they feel better. they're happier. >> and also crazy people. And if you don't.

have a way of determining who is just a. pervert who just wants to hang out in. the women's locker room and show. everybody his dick. Yeah. And who is a. legit a legitimate person with gender. dysphoria. And another that's the other. thing that like Tucker had a really good. good point about this. Said if someone. has anorexia, you don't tell them, "Yeah, you're fat. Yeah, you're fat. You're right. You're correct. Even. though you look like a skeleton, you. need to lose weight." No. You tell them. you are you're mentally ill. This is. incorrect. You're not overweight. In.

fact, you have body dysmorphia. You. can't see what you really look like, which we know is a real condition. Like, it it's a real condition with anorexia. It's even a real condition with. bodybuilders. It's a real condition real. condition when people get plastic. surgery where they get crazy lips and. crazy cheeks and they can't see it. They. can't see it. They can't see themselves. >> It's insane. >> It's nuts. >> They turn themselves into like all these. girls looking like Jaw Jarbanks walking. around. >> They look like monsters. They look like. monsters. And it doesn't look good. And. they keep tweaking and [ __ ] with it. they can't see it because it's a mental.

illness. It's the same kind of thing. Like the human mind is incredibly. fragile. That's why Jolly West was. fascinated with trying all these MK. Ultra techniques and different compounds. on people's brains because human people. can be manipulated like very easily, shockingly easily. Not all of us, right? Like you and me are probably pretty. skeptical. There's a lot of skeptical. people out there. But there's a bunch of. people that are not skeptical at all. They're super gullible. And when an. ideology forms, they step in line and.

they they follow that ideology verbatim. to the line. They'll repeat the things. that they're supposed to say to the line. because they think that's what they're. supposed to do in order to be in the. good graces of this community that they. find themselves in. It's a [ __ ] cult. >> Yeah. >> And there's a [ __ ] ton of cults. It's. not just the mooneyies. It's not just, you know, whatever fill in the blank. It's all sorts of political ideologies. It's MAGA. It's it's uh the far left. It's the the people that are cheering. for this guy in New York City that's a. communist.

>> Didn't he just uh promise a bunch of. money for uh transition surgeries? >> Hooray. >> Yeah, it's nuts. >> Government run grocery stores and all. that stuff, but he didn't win yet. He's. just he won the primary. >> He's going to win, dude. He has 100%. Because the other guy is the [ __ ]. guardian angels guy. The other guy is. Curtis Lee, the the guy wears the goofy. beret. >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. That's the guy who won the. Republican side. Nobody wants to be a. Republican mayor of New York City. because they know they can't win. M. >> So they're not like. >> this guy's to the left of Bill Delasio. >> Oh, he's way to the left. Yeah. And he's. young and he's energetic and he's saying.

all the right things for all these kids. that are in the streets that are. protesting, you know, that think they. want to make the world a better place, which hey, I would have been doing it. with you if I was 20. >> Mhm. >> It's all the same thing, man. It's all. the same thing. You can get. indoctrinated into particular way of. thinking without being objective about. what's actually going on. you know, all. these these people that are like just. running through the street now uh saying. free Iran, >> like yeah, free Iran from a. dictatorship. Absolutely. But if you're. saying like wear scarfs over your head. and being forced to do what the Iranian.

government wants you to do and live like. they live over there. No, they don't. live free, right? >> Like they they assassinated the [ __ ]. Olympic gold medalist in Russia in in. wrestling rather be in in Iran because. he was protesting against the. government. Like they'll take national. heroes and kill them openly. Like it's. not a good place to live, >> right? >> You know, and I'm not saying we should. bomb them, but like being in support of. Iran, the Iranian people. Yeah, for. sure. But that government is nuts, man. >> It's like, you know, trans people for.

Hamas. You know what I mean? Like. there's there's people that are just. they're not seeing what you're talking. They're not seeing the big picture. >> Yeah. There's so many contradictions out. there, man. It's really hard to follow. it all. It's because it's a cult. >> and there are and I think a huge amount. of the Iranian population supports. Israel too. And it's like you would. never [ __ ] know that unless you like. talk to them or listen some of these. interviews of these people. >> A ton of Persian Jews that moved to Los. Angeles, >> you know, that was like at the fall I. guess it was in the 70s when uh so this.

is the story for people that don't know. about Iran. So there was a gentleman who. was democratically elected. I forget his. name. Mog what is his name? M. I'm going to [ __ ] it up. So he decided. that he was going to nationalize oil in. Iran and they got him out like that. They installed the sha and turned it. into an Islamic dictatorship, but they. had access to the oil. So the CIA and. the the British government and everybody.

>> conspired to get rid of this. democratically elected guy because Iran. at the time was like you women were. wearing shorts or skirts rather walking. down the street. It looked cool. Here it. is. >> Uh, Muhammad. Mosedc. >> Mosedc. >> Mosedc. Okay. So, let's let's zoom in on. the story here. It says, um, Iranian. Prime Minister Muhammad Mosedc was. removed from power in a coup organized. and financed by British and US. governments. The shock quickly returned. to take power and signed off over 40% of.

Iran's oil fields to US companies. It's. crazy, man. It's like it's so. transparent. They didn't even wait a. couple years. They didn't even well the. sha's in power now. We'll see how things. go. No, they immediately came in and. signed everything off. Y 1953 the CIA. and British intelligence orchestrated a. coup d'etatah that toppled the. democratically elected government of. Iran. The government of Muhammad Mosedc. uh the aftershocks of the coup are still. being felt. 51 Prime Minister Mosedc. roused Britain Britain's eye when he.

nationalized the oil industry. So the. oil they weren't making money off the. oil. Well, they were making money, but. not as much money as uh the British. were. >> H. >> yeah, it had been exclusively controlled. by the Anglo Iranian Oil Company. The. company later became known as the. British Petroleum. >> This time is different though. >> BP they're the same people that dumped. all the oil in the Gulf. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> That's BP. After considering military. action, Britain opted for a coup deta. President Harry Truman rejected the. idea. But when Dwight Eisenhower took.

over the White House, he ordered the CIA. to embark on one of its first covert. operations against a foreign government. And Iran's been [ __ ] ever since. >> Mhm. >> I mean, we've been doing stuff like. that. Not we, not you and I, not me and. Danny Jones. We're innocent. But the. United States government, especially the. intelligence agencies in the days, uh, you know, before they assassinated. Kennedy, >> you know, they were they were doing all. kinds of wild [ __ ]. >> Oh, yeah. >> And. >> we're done now. We don't do that any. They don't do that [ __ ] anymore. >> They definitely don't. No, no,

>> they would never. They don't give a [ __ ]. about the oil over there. >> No, this government's America first now. We're legit. >> America first. >> It's it's a crazy history. And when you. don't know the history, you like, why. are we mad at the Iranians? >> Well, why are they mad at us? Okay, like. what did we do to them? Like, why how. did how did this these Islamic jihadists. come to power? >> Like, where did it all start? Well, go. back to the mujahaden. We literally. changed their definition of jihad. like. we we wanted them to become suicide.

bombers. We wanted them to to do things. and martyr themselves. So we it was the. original definition of jihad. Look this. up, but I'm pretty sure it was a war. against your own vices. >> This is really Yep. Yeah. There the idea. was you were trying to be a good Muslim, a pure Muslim. You were trying to avoid. impure thoughts, no alcohol, all these. different things. And they twisted that around with. jihadists and through the CIA and Osama.

bin Laden and the Mujahadin to fight off. the Soviet Union when the Soviet Union. occupied Afghanistan. Like. >> Osama bin Laden was our guy, >> right? >> He was working for us. And he's like, "These [ __ ] people suck.". >> Yeah. There was a story how his like. pancreas. >> struggle against the enemies of Islam, a. spiritual struggle within oneself. against sin. >> Greatest jihad. Yeah, >> it sounds great. >> Isn't that interesting? A spiritual. struggle within oneself against sin.

>> Yeah. I mean, >> yeah, >> just reading it sounds like. >> So, it seems like it's more than one. definition. >> There's probably so many. >> Bions. declared a jihad against the in Scroll. back down again. Struggle or fight. against the enemy en enemies of Islam. So, it's two things, >> but they made it, you know. >> Yeah. They they they did a lot of mind. [ __ ] to those people and they put. them on a war that they couldn't win. again to try to do the same thing that. they were doing with the rocket program.

with everything else. They were trying. to outspend the Soviets. They were. trying to bankrupt them. >> Yeah. that part of the world is just. like how much of it has to do with the. fact that we've been occupying that area. that that part of the world for so long. and like going out there killing all the. bad guys and then the kids seeing their. families being slaughtered and then like. okay we're going to eliminate terrorism. let's take out these bad guys but then. the kids grow up and you realize it's. just the hydra you cut the head off and. three grow back. >> Well if you want to be even more cynical.

we pay them and we arm them. Yes. >> And we left behind billions of dollars. of [ __ ] in Afghanistan that they use for. parades now. >> They drive down the street with our. tanks. >> They have our Blackhawks flying. overhead. >> That's all the [ __ ] we left. Billions of. dollars. >> Mhm. >> Like you couldn't have got that out. >> Well, do you think they leave it there. so that these people are always. formidable and they always leave open. the door to go back in? >> Yeah. >> I think so. I think that's I don't think. that's the primary reason why they did.

it. But I've got to assume that that. would be on the table if it's been on. the table in the past. Ar arming people. in the past has always been a thing that. we do. I mean, it's a Bill Hicks joke. about Iraq. You know, it's like they. have the most deadly weapons. How do you. know? Well, we looked at the receipts. >> I butchered the joke, but Yeah. Yeah. >> But, you know, we've always been doing. that. We've done that forever. >> Yeah. What's the Bill what's the My. favorite Bill Hicks joke. at least that.

I don't I'm not like a a historian on. Bill Hicks, but the one where he's. talking about uh the sock puppets, he's. like, "Yeah, I like this guy on the. right. He seems like he fits my my. ideas." He's like, "I I seem to fancy. the guy on the left." He's like, "What. the [ __ ] The same guy's holding both. the puppets.". >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. I mean, that's perfect. Perfectly. illustrates the way the way it is, you. know? >> Yeah. And again, this was before we. really knew things. This was Bill Hicks. was saying this in the 1990s. >> where we just had books. So, you know, it was it was really hard to get these. ideas across. >> He would have been a great podcast. guest. Oh, hell yeah.

>> You know, because he was like saying. these things when no one even knew what. he was saying, >> you know, and he was putting it into. comedy, >> you know, like people then were not. nearly as aware of the manipulation of. money in power. They really thought, a. lot of people thought that the will of. the people, you know, the president, we. got to get a good president in there. that looking out for us. and they didn't. really understand that it's all being. bought and paid by special interest. groups, large corporations, huge donors, and that when the guy gets in there,

he's just representing the same thing no. matter what. >> Yeah. The amount of reading and insight. and learning that that guy was a lot of. those dudes were able to do back then. pre- internet Yeah. >> is astonishing. Yeah. and to be able to. like internalize and process those ideas. and. rework them with draft after draft and. refine it into like the most perfect way. to communicate it to people to where it. lands. You know, it's just it's [ __ ]. crazy. And in today's day and age, it's. almost like you would think it would be. easier with all of the access to. information, but it seems like it might.

even be harder because there's just too. much information. Like last night, listening to you talk was [ __ ]. incredible, dude. like listening to how. you were at the end doing this like the. the Q&A with the crowd. You're like, "Ah, I ran out of jokes. Who wants to. ask me questions?" And like you were. just on another gear, dude. It's like. you're so high octane and you're so like. up to speed with everything that's. happening around the world at all times. It's it's mind-blowing to me how you're. able to do this stuff. how you're able. to stay up and do comedy late, do. podcasts every day, and be like up to.

speed with all the news and like have. like thought out like thought through a. lot of these things that just happened. yesterday. I'm just fascinated by that, dude. >> Well, that's all I do, you know, when. you do when you only pay attention to. fascinating things like things that are. interesting to you and they're also. interesting to the audience, but I mean, I don't have a regular job, >> right? So, this is my job. So, it's my. job to kind of pay attention to stuff, >> you know, and have opinions on things. And then the tricky thing is taking. those opinions and trying to make them. funny, you know, trying to like put it. in a way that's going to be hilarious on.

stage. >> What do you think about the uh that this. diddy thing that just happened this. morning where. >> kind of crazy, you know? >> I'll tell you what, Kurt Mezer called. this from the beginning and especially. when he found out that Comey's daughter. was going to be the uh the judge. Did. you know that? >> No, I did not know. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Wasn't she the same. judge on the Gain Maxwell case? >> So, >> yeah. Oh yes, I did hear that. >> Yeah, bro. Where's the videos? They were. telling us the videos are going to come. out. Incredibly high-profile people.

doing horrendous things, evil things. People are going to go to jail. People. are going to be shocked. >> Yeah. >> Where? >> Right. >> Nothing. >> Well, like zero. >> My thing about the Diddy thing is like. I don't really give a [ __ ] These people. are all they're of age. They're over. they're like 18 years old. And is it. shitty what he's doing trying to like. use people and leverage them and to do. these weird sexual things and like sick. [ __ ] Just the most sick [ __ ] you could.

possibly think of. But like the way I I. look at it is these people are using. this Diddy stuff. It all it does is like. take away from the real child. trafficking that's going on with like. underage kids, right? There's like what. 300,000 something like missing kids. Like talking about Diddy and his oil. parties with these 18-year-olds. Like, do I think it's good? No. I I want to. beat up their dad, but other than that, I don't really give a [ __ ] if there's. like 18 to 19 year olds that are doing. this stuff. as long as they're not being.

like actually like physically raped. But. I mean it seems like what's going on is. just like this weird cultish thing where. they they slowly get you get creep. toward creep closer and closer and. closer to this thing like oh I'm here. now all these famous people are here. They're doing this like. >> elaborate parties lots of money. everything you want the golden carrot at. the end of the stick. See the thing is. he's not even being charged for any of. the things you just brought up. He's not. being charged for blackmail, right? Which is kind of crazy because like what.

did they do if. >> why did they tell us that there was all. these videos of all these high-profile. people and then silence and then it. never comes up once during the trial. >> There's none of that stuff in the trial. In the trial, it was his ex-girlfriend. Cassie. They were talking about. >> So like he's he's up for these two. charges left and it's like prostitution, something it's like nothing stuff. It's. like stuff that he's going to go to jail. for like five years if at all and. probably won't, >> right? >> And he's already been in jail for so. what is time served now? It's over a. year, right?

>> Yeah. No, I think he's going to walk, dude. I mean, I think I don't think he's. going to spend any time. >> And this is what Kurt Mezer called a. long time ago. As soon as he saw that it. was uh Comey's daughter, he was like, "Oh, he's going to walk. Trust me, he's. going to walk. There's a bunch of. high-profile people that are connected. to this. Yeah, >> they're covering it all up. If he goes. down, they go down. So, he's not going. to go down, >> right?" So that's the thing like if if. he really if he really did have like. really wealthy high-profile people at. his parties which we know he did, you. know, did he prosecutors abandon. multiple allegations against rapper days.

before trials end? Hey, he says, "Hey, remember I called it?" This is Kurt. Mezer on Twitter. >> because James Comey's daughter is the. prosecutor. Remember how well she slept. up swept up on the Gizlane trail? >> Yep. >> Hey, who else called it? I can't be the. only one. >> Yeah, he called it. Yep. He called it in. the [ __ ] He called it in the [ __ ]. green room of the mother ship. >> right when he found out. He goes, "He's. gonna walk." I'm like, "What are you. talking about? Have you heard these. these charges? He's going to go to. jail.". >> Yeah.

>> No, Mezer was right. >> Mhm. Yep. And then we uh I don't know. what happened with these. >> You don't think they could fake the moon. landing? Shut the [ __ ] up. >> Shut the [ __ ] up. They they've got. videotape and all a sudden they don't. You know, you had the director of the. FBI on this show saying there's no if. there was. >> no nothing you're looking for is on. those tapes. Like what? Why' they say. there was thousands of hours of tapes of. people doing horrible [ __ ] Why' they. say that? Right. >> Didn't Pam Bondi say that?

>> What are you talking about? Epste. >> Yeah. Epste. >> EP. Yeah. She said it literally I think. a week before you had the FBI director. sitting here talk telling you there was. nothing. Right. >> She said something about that there was. like thousands of hours of tapes of. people doing horrible crimes. >> There is. And didn't the FBI dude say. that there was nothing? >> Cash Patel said there's nothing you're. looking for. Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, what am I gonna do? I'm. gonna push back. Obviously, he's saying. what he has to say, >> right? >> Mystery surrounds the Jeffrey Epstein. files after Bondi claims tens of.

thousands of videos. Tens of thousands. Jesus Christ. >> I tell you what, >> chill. Oh my god. Was reviewing tens of. thousands of videos. the wealthy. financial financeier with children or. child porn. The comment made to reporters of the. White House days after a similar remark. to a stranger with a hidden camera. raised the stakes with President Donald. Trump's administration to prove it has. in its possession previously unseen. compelling documents or just bomb Iran.

and everybody forgets about. >> Just bomb Iran. Yeah, >> everybody forgets about it. Yeah, it. seems crazy that we're just like it like. you would I would think just Trump's. demeanor, his emmo towards other. countries, like if we're the ones. funding them, giving them all this money. and they're trying to fight a war, like. typically he would be putting their boot. his boot on their neck like listen you. [ __ ] Like he's talking [ __ ]. right? Like you have to do what I want. you to do. And it it just seems like and. now I think it just came out a couple. days ago that um they're trying to.

prosecute Netanyahu, right? And then. Trump Trump's helping with it. I think. trying to help him Netany and Yahoo in. that in that whole rigomearroll. >> Well, they're trying to try him while. he's Yeah. >> Yeah. While he's in office, >> right? And I think. >> he's trying to delay it because he's. like, "Look, we're at war." And they. decide to go through with it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I think something. came out I think a couple days ago. I. could be wrong, but I was listening to. uh I was listening to Dave Smith talk. about how Trump was actually like. helping him through this. I don't know. I could be wrong.

>> Okay, here says. During a Fox News. Channel interview in February, Bondi. suggested an alleged Epstein client list. was sitting on her desk. >> Yeah. >> Well, the list is one thing, right? I. mean, there's so many people on the list. that are probably innocent, but I. >> Right. They just went to the island for. a party. >> No, there's got to be a [ __ ] hard. drive. >> Sitting in Tel Aviv right now. Yeah, that's Listen, >> the other part of this too, uh, they. asked. Kain Maxwell's lawyers what their [ __ ]. where was it disappear?

>> He had like a hundred cameras in that. penny in every single house. >> Do you know his house is for sale in New. York? >> That's amazing. >> Yeah. And. >> got a podcast studio. >> No, my wife found it on uh Trullia or. whatever it is, one of the maps. And. she's like, "Look at this beautiful.". Cuz we were in. >> a town house. >> Yeah. Like it's not a townhouse. It's a. It's a house. It's like It's a big ass. house. It's like multiple stories. >> The one right across the street from. Central Park. >> Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. That one. It's for. sale right now. >> How much? >> I think it was like 60 or 70 million,

something like that, which is what it's. worth. But who wants to live in the. Epstein house? First of all, if if I bought that house, I'd want the Clinton painting. Can you. get me that painting? Clinton in the. blue dress. >> Come with all that [ __ ]. >> I have to have that. >> I want George Bush with with the Jenga. towers and the paper airplanes. I want. all of it. >> And then the lady just died, too. The. lady got hit by a car, one of the. witnesses. Yeah. One of the Jeffrey. Epstein witnesses. And apparently she. had like a husband who was abusing her. >> And uh you know, people like to it's.

just like people like to use this stuff. as as like a a political football to. like argue. >> for whatever they believe in. >> And also when you get rich powerful. people, so here's the thing that happens. with rich powerful people. They can't go. anywhere, right? If you're like say a. Jeff Bezos type or someone who's like an. Elon Musk type, let's just and I'm not. accusing them of anything. I'm not. saying I'm just saying at that caliber. of celebrity. >> and that caliber of prominence, you. can't go anywhere. If you're Bill. Clinton back in the 80s or the 90s,

whatever it was, you can't go party, you. know? Everybody knows who you are. You. got to be protected, right? But you want. these experiences. And so you have these. guys like a Jeffrey Epstein type guy who. works with the elite of the elite. clientele. It's all movie stars, big-time politicians, world leaders, scientists, Nobel Prize winners, and. they all meet together and have. fascinating conversations and cocktails, and there's beautiful girls everywhere. Of course, what a great idea. And if. you're naive and you don't understand. honeypots,

>> here's the quote from Maria Farmer, who. was one of the accusers from what was. inside the house in New York. Okay. She. said, uh, there were monitors inside. this cabinet. I looked on the cameras. and I saw toilet, toilet, bed, bed, toilet. She said, visibly spooked like, I'm never going to use the restroom here. and I'm never going to sleep here. You. know what I mean? It was very obvious. that they were like monitoring private. moments. >> Yeah, of course. >> Maria Farmer was the one who worked at. at Epstein's office in New York, I. think. >> And this was the house, Jamie.

>> Yeah, I was looking up stuff on the. house. That was like what they found. What if the house still has [ __ ]. cameras in it somewhere that they. haven't found yet? >> They definitely Oh, don't know. >> Yeah, you'd have to scan the [ __ ] out of. that house. You'd have to take the walls. apart. There's probably listening. devices inside the walls. Like, who. knows if this was like really an. intelligence operation. >> Yeah, they probably had that house fully. wired. >> Maria Farmer, I think she was the chick. who was working the front desk at his. office in Manhattan. And this is like a. a funny example of like what I like to. do. My mom is super leftwing. She's a.

has her degree in fine arts and boy and. uh she still is like an art professor. and my dad is a ex post office worker. and he's only watches Fox. So my my dad. only watches Fox. They're divorced. My. mom only watches CNN. >> Jesus, why didn't they stay together? How weird? Who who knows? And uh they I. I like to like take things that are. happening in the controversial things. like for Epstein example and I like to. just like call my mom and argue with her. like argue my dad argue the right-wing.

side against my mom's point of view on. Epste and then I'll call my dad and I'll. make the same argument toward the. opposite argument towards him. It's like. a [ __ ] thought experiment or like a a. critical thinking exercise. use your. parents with. >> mom. My mom, you know, she'll be like, "Of course, like Trump, there's the mo. there's more footage of Trump with. Epstein than anybody. Are you kidding. me? He's partying with him here? Like, of course he's compromised." And then my. dad's like, "It's [ __ ] Clinton, bro.". It's like, "It's only Bill Clinton. Look, he's he's the only one on the. Epstein files. Of course, we know he's a.

pervert." All this stuff. But like and. then you have so the funny thing is both. sides will use their little batch of. evidence to support their idea and. ignore the opposite. Right? So like uh. the lady the girl we were just talking. about uh Virginia she was literally on. video. saying that uh all this [ __ ] about Bill. Clinton on the jet going to the island. hanging out with Trump and all this. stuff. And the right-wing people like. like people I know, my parents and like.

older folks I know in Florida, um will. say, you know, she came out, thank you. for exposing Bill Clinton, for being a. pedo and doing all this stuff. And uh. Virginia Guay after this happened, she's. like, "You guys didn't listen to the. whole [ __ ] tape." She's like, "I was. telling you that Trump was at the. penthouse three days a week and visit. visiting him, but you guys don't want to. hear that." And it's like, you know, it's just this weird thing like if you. do the math, there's there's got to be.

it's got to be so many highlevel. powerful people that are somehow. compromised. And do I think do I think. like Clinton and these guys are pedos? No, I don't think that at all. But if. you were Jeffrey Epstein, you would I. think it's super plausible to assume. that he would. try to trick them with like a girl who. looks old, right? who is possibly like. on the borderline of being 18 and you. say, "Oh yeah, this girl, she's 18, 19, 20, whatever." Meanwhile, she's like 17.

and they had no idea. And they have. video footage and in like a court of. law, if I'm the judge, I'm going to let. him like, of course, they [ __ ] lied. to him. >> And this is not like some young girl. obviously, but. >> but they lied. But like in in like the. court of public opinion, you're never. going to win in that case, right? Like. that comes out, you're [ __ ]. >> You're [ __ ] I mean, you're [ __ ] if. you just go into the island to bang. hookers. Like it's like they're of age. It's still like whatever he was doing. You you prayed on people's desire for. experiences and vice.

>> Yes. >> And all these powerful people who again. they can't just go call a hooker and the. hooker goes, "Oh my god, I just blew. Bill Gates. This is nuts." You know what. I mean? Like you can't trust them. So. you have to trust someone who really has. a locked down organization. And they. felt like he did. >> And that's why they all can they all. hung out with him even after he got. arrested. This is what's crazy. lot of. Bill Gates meetings with him were after. he was prosecuted and he got this little. slap on the wrist and he got essentially. home detainment and I think he had to do.

like weekends at the jail like it was it. was a cra for underage sex for you know. >> what's supposed to be a felony. >> the whole thing was crazy and then when. there's one reporter that really chased. it down I forget her name but she really. like really looked into it and that's. when they opened up the second case, the. second trial. >> Vicky Ward, >> Vicky Ward, was she from what paper? >> Vanity Fair. >> Vanity Fair. So, she was responsible for. like because she was like, "This is.

insane." Like, how what's going on here? And then there was the sheriff that had. arrested him said that I was told he was. intelligence. And. >> I mean, you got to think, man, if a guy. like that is running these kind of. parties with all these rich and powerful. people, how many different worldwide. decisions can be manipulated because of. these people and the compromises you. have on them, right? >> It's really a brilliant thing to do. >> Yeah. >> For from a intelligence perspective.

>> Yeah, it really is, man. And like this. the way that the world is shaping out. now and this like. rise of Jew hate online is and I think a. lot of it's bots, you know. I think I. think it's coming from every angle, you. know. I think it's probably a lot of a. lot of propaganda and bots coming from. Iran, coming from Israel, Saudi, who. knows where it's all coming from. It's. just such a confusing croc of [ __ ] on. the internet. But like, you know, on one.

hand, they were able to pull off some. incredible [ __ ] operations. And you. know, on the other hand, we get mad now. now that it gets exposed, we get get mad. that they have their hooks in us and the. people that are in power, whatever the. politicians are, the puppets, just like bend the knee to whatever. they're doing. And it gets exposed when. people like Tucker did that interview. with Ted Cruz. >> Mhm. and. he had him on his heels the whole time. That was that was incredible. That was a.

[ __ ] a biblical [ __ ] uh interview. with Ted Cruz. And that really like. pulled the mask off because like if that. guy's if that guy is explaining his his. position on Israel being in Congress and. that's his number one thing that made. him want to be a congressman. It's like. what are all these other people doing. then? Like if there's all these all this. money and you can see the receipts how. much money they're being given, >> right, >> by these lobbies, but like how how mad. can you get because they we let them do.

it. They're legally allowed to do it. >> Yeah, you could be mad, but you really. should be mad at the politicians. Yeah. The corrupt politicians and how many of. them there are. like look look at the mayoral race where. they all were saying my first trip I'm. going to go to Israel. >> Oh yeah. Except for the dude except for. what's his name? He said he's going to. stay in New York. >> The communist. Yeah. He's like, "I'm. going to take care of the Jews in New. York." Boom. Checkmate. That was it. That literally won it for him because. everybody else was like, "What are you. guys talking about? Like, New York is. [ __ ] Take care of this goddamn city.

Why? What? What's this loyalty and. allegiance to Israel from the New York. City mayors? >> The people that are candidates for mayor. like your your number one concern is. Israel. >> That seems odd. >> Seems. >> unless you're getting a ton of money.". >> Mhm. >> You know, unless they have some video. footage. Yeah. Yeah. The more I think. about the more I think about politics. and just look at the news cycle every. day, I just feel like I get dumber. >> It's a dumb business. It's a dumb dirty. business. >> It really is, dude. Just like sometimes.

I'm just like not motivated to read the. daily news, you know? Like I was I was. telling this to Gavin, too. I was like I. was like like to focus on the culture. wars 247 365 and and [ __ ] talk about. it all day is draining, dude. >> Yeah. You can't. It's bad. It's bad for. you. >> Yeah. >> That's why people that are on social. media all day, they're poisoned. There. was some study recently. um I think it was Colombia. I I forget. what university, but they paid people to.

stay off social media for uh a certain. amount of time and they they said that. the results were superior to therapy. See if you can find that. M. >> so they. I think a large percentage of the mental. illness that we have in this country is. greatly accentuated by social media. I. think people that are on it all day I. think it's extremely addictive. >> I think the conflict raises your. >> the the whole anxiety that you have.

about conflict in society. Stanford paid. 35,000 people to find out if quitting. Instagram made you happier. Yeah. This. is it. And so what was the results? Landmark study on digital well-being. >> Yeah. >> Ran two parallel experiments with. Facebook and Instagram as a perspective. focal pattern platform rather. For each. uh focal platform, Meta grew a. stratified random sample of users who. were in the US who were aged 18 or older. had logged in at least once a month or.

at least once in the past month from. August 31st to September 12th. Metapplay. survey invitations at the top of these. users focal uh platform news feeds study. explains on Facebook a total of 10.6. million users were invited to the study. 673,388. clicked the invitation and 43,249. were willing to deactivate consented to. participate and completed the enrollment. survey. Of these 19,857.

completed the baseline survey, could be. linked to the platform data, and had at. least 15 minutes of baseline use per. day. So, what was the results? >> Modest but meaningful emotional gains. Fings were statistically significant, although modest in scale. Facebook. deactivation led Well, Facebook is like. a bunch of old people complaining about. their neighborhood. Yeah. >> Led to a 0.060. standard deviation improvement. That's. not much. Um, while Instagram. deactivation yielded a 0.041.

improvement, these gains represent. approximately 15 to 22% of the benefits. typically seen with established. psychological interventions such as. cognitive behavior therapy or. mindfulness-based interventions. So, that's not much. That's 22% of the. benefits. So, it's a mild improvement. >> Look at this though. The the uh. improvements weren't equally. distributed. Adults over 35 saw the most. substantial benefit from leaving. Facebook, whereas young women under 25.

experienced the most emotional uplift. from an Instagram break. Yeah, women are. getting [ __ ] by that because they're. constantly comparing themselves to girls. that are digitally al altered and using. filters and. >> [ __ ] with your self-esteem and. >> yeah, >> it's I just think overall it's not good. for us. And there's a large percentage. of our society is addicted to it. >> and it's new. It's the dope it hijacks. your dopamine reward system, you know, like say like they call them dopamine. like the your phone and the iPad and all. this stuff is like they're dopamine slot.

machines. >> and like the you know the way they [ __ ]. up your circadian rhythm like when. you're when you're laying in bed at. night scrolling and how that blue light. in the phone just like pumps your brain. full of energy and you can't put it. down. You're just addicted. Like every. scroll is like another hit of the. crackpipe. You know. >> that baby hit too. It's not even like. ooh feels so good, >> right? It's like you got to keep doing. it. >> Most nothing hit ever. It's like a just. a little uh. >> uh what's that? Uh oh. Oh, how weird. >> Yeah. And it like turns off a part of. your brain too. Like it turns off the.

thinking part. >> Mhm. >> You know, where like you just keep doing. that thing and you're waiting for. something good to hit something more to. like charge your. >> And it never comes. It never comes. Right. You keep looking. >> until you [ __ ] look at the clock and. it's like 3:00 a.m. and you're like, "What the [ __ ] am I?". >> You're a [ __ ] gold miner in a barren. creek. >> Yeah. >> You're just constantly gold mining. One. day, one day gold. One day I'm going to. find gold. I'm going to find. enlightenment on my Instagram. Nope. You. know, you're not. You're going to [ __ ]. your head up. >> Yeah. No, I think it's uh I think it's. definitely atrophying the human brain.

>> 100%. >> And uh that's why I like these like. these new tech technical computers and. these different apps that are coming out. that are like trying to be. anti-technology, you know? They're like. trying to make healthier computers and. healthier phones that like. >> Oh, like that simple phone. Is that what. it's called? There's a simple phone. There's like uh the the the daylight. computer thing, which is like an iPad. with no blue light in it. And it has all. this. It's like kind of like a Kindle on. steroids where there's no blue light. >> Oh, so it looks like paper.

>> Yeah. Look, it's like this is one of. them right here. And it has like. >> Oh, you have one? >> Yeah. Yeah. I put I like make my notes. on it and then you It also has like the. key. Can I see it? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> What is that called? >> This is called the uh daylight computer. Look at it. >> Oh. >> So, I put all my books old iPad. >> Yeah, it looks like an old iPad. This is. like version one of what they're doing. >> It's [ __ ] sick, dude. >> Yeah. It's like it's you I don't know if. you've ever used a Kindle, but like they. have like a note-taking thing and it's. super slow when you draw on it. This. thing is super fast. >> You can zoom in and out of [ __ ] super. fast. Like PDFs.

>> and uh when I sit at when I sit in bed. at Reed, if I use like a. >> This looks good. Like when you're. looking at it, doesn't [ __ ] with your. eyes at all. It looks like a piece of. paper. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> And look, check this out. If you do uh. if you do this, >> when did you decide to do this to go. switch over to this stuff? >> This is like in the last year. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, look at that. So, it's all it's like. amber light. So, if I lay in bed at. night and I'm reading like a PDF or a. Kindle or something like this, I'm. asleep in like 45 minutes. I the blue.

>> What's going on with his uh microphone? Did you uh disconnect it? >> Sure. Did. >> Yeah. >> Weird. Did I break it? >> Check. Check. Here we go. We're back. >> So, yes. >> So, amber light. >> Yeah. Yeah. Amber light. And then like. if So, if I sit on my phone and read. something, I can stay up all night. Or. if I sit on my computer and read. something, I stay up forever. This thing. I fall asleep. >> I literally It doesn't keep me up cuz it. I don't think I think because it doesn't. have the that blue light that's baked. into it. >> So, you use that as your primary. computer?

>> No, no, no. I just use this for reading. and like note-taking and [ __ ] I like. I'll like on every podcast I do, I'm. just like taking notes on it because it. stores all my notes and then I just read. Kindles on it and PDFs and stuff. >> And you write the notes by hand? Yep. >> Okay. So, it has like. >> Yeah, it's like a little sketchy thing. and it's like super quick. >> It's like It's like It's [ __ ]. amazing. >> You don't type your notes. Does it have. a keyboard? Can you type on it? >> You can uh It has It's like a It's like. basically like an iPad. It's like a. Android like a Bluetooth keyboard. >> Bluetooth keyboard. You can type on it. and [ __ ] It's super quick, super. responsive.

>> And so, what was the the thought process. about switching to something like this? because uh like so I got introduced to. the those guys when I started learning. about like all this circadian rhythm. stuff and how like all these devices. hijack your dopamine system and all this. stuff and there's like hey there's these. guys that uh they're working on this new. technology that's like anti- big tech. mind control all the apps and everything. like that with all the colors and all. the you know everything that just like. [ __ ] with your your brain and your eyes.

>> and I was That's interesting. They're. going in the opposite direction of. normal tech and like Apple and all these. things. So, uh, I hit him up and they. sent me one and I was just like [ __ ]. blown away. I thought it was super cool. I could sit outside cuz I like to I like. to go outside like first thing in the. morning when the sun's rising and spend. at least like two or three hours like. during the beginning of the day because. I feel it just like charges me up for. the day. I feel better when I'm outside. Especially in Florida, the sun's really.

good. And uh so I I'll go out there and. I'll read on this thing. I can't read on. anything else. My phone or like a a. computer screen. There's so much glare. This thing thrives in the outdoor. sunlight. So it's like it's like. perfect. It's like reading like a a. piece of paper. >> Wouldn't you think like it would be best. if phones were like that? So you could. read text messages. >> It would definitely be healthier. It. would definitely be healthier for us, but it wouldn't. >> You wouldn't be able to look at pictures. and videos the same way though, >> right? >> It doesn't have color, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. This thing's all black and. white. And with that amber backlight.

that you can throw on at night if you're. if you're like uh inside or something. like that. >> And so how much of a change has it had. in like your routine because of this. thing? >> It's great because I if I'm reading. [ __ ] which I typically do in the. morning and at night, I I don't stay up. all night. It it it encourages me to go. outside more because like typically when. I'm trying to like absorb stuff or like. listen to podcasts or like make notes or. read read books, I can do it on that and. it works better outside. >> Huh. So, it just makes me want to go. outside more, which I feel better when.

I'm outside more. >> Wow, that's interesting, man. >> Yeah. >> What's it called again? >> Daylight computer. >> Daylight computer. >> Yeah. >> It's beautiful, man. >> I might check that out. >> Yeah, it's cool. >> I don't want to carry around another. [ __ ] thing, though. >> Yeah, you got. >> you got all your phones and. >> Yeah. All the [ __ ] I have to carry. around. That's big. >> Yeah, >> that's an iPad. >> It is big. It fits in that little that. little Patagonia bag. I just like carry. it. I carry it like home to home and. like to the studio. How come it has. those big stupid bezels? >> I don't know. It's It's version one,

>> so like you know, >> because it looks like they got some. leftover iPad technology. >> or Kindle technology. >> Very interesting. >> No, it it definitely uh you know, I. think they're going to eventually try to. improve that. Like I said, that's like. the version one. That's like iPhone one. for their thing. And they're trying to. like. >> So, this is new. >> Very new. Yeah. They're trying to come. up with like phones eventually and but. uh apparently it's a lot of work to have. a computer company and to. >> James Macccan, one of the comics from. last night, he had a uh a new phone. I. was like, "What is this?" He's like, "It's uh it keeps you from being.

distracted. It only has like Spotify, a. few other things on it. One shitty. little camera and a black and white. screen." I'm like, "Really?" It's like. he's just trying to get off of his phone. addiction. >> Yeah. >> So, he has a much more limited phone. It. runs on Android. >> Mhm. >> There's a lot of people that are kind of. leaning in that sort of direction. >> Yeah. like the anti-tech direction. >> Uhhuh. Well, just realizing like. something's going on. Like I'm not. happier. I'm less happy. I'm. >> kind of tweaking thinking about where's. my phone? Where's my phone? >> I don't think the techn I don't think um.

the innovation of of all this new. technology and now that it's like. exponentially taking off with AI is. going to lead us to a good place. Man, I. think that uh. you know, I've had philosophers and. people explain to me how like. the advancement of like the. technological human mind and the. analytical mind has equally equated with. the atrophy of like the psychic mind. Mhm. >> And like when you listen to people like. to Paul Rosalie talking about spending a. lot of time in the Amazon and like going. through the jungle, how it like awakens.

these deeper senses that you have in. inside of us. Mhm. >> And like it makes me wonder like. 5,000 years ago before we had the. ability to. offload our memories onto phones and. computers and before we even had the. [ __ ] written word and were able to. make notes and stuff, we probably had. like way better memory. Mhm. >> We h we possibly likely had like.

a telepathic way of communicating back. then like way way long ago before we h. like before we started letting. technology take over for what we do like. even for our like mundane tasks now. which is reached the pinnacle of LLM. like telling us telling us like how to. [ __ ] write an email you know. >> right well we for sure don't remember. phone numbers anymore and when I was a. kid I kept like 15 phone numbers in my. head now I have zero I like maybe one or. two phone numbers I can remember. >> Everybody just relies on their phone. There's so many people that can't even.

make their way around town without their. navigation system. Completely forgot how. the streets connect. >> Mhm. >> You know, there's a lot of digital. atrophy or human atrophy that's being. caused by the interface with the digital. world. >> Mhm. >> And it's only going to get worse. I. mean, there's a there was a study. recently on chatg users and how less. there how But see if you can find it. It. was a study on young people and. ubiquitous use of chat GPT. Like how. many of them are using it and how much. effect it has on their ability to form.

their own thoughts and and see through. things. They're just relying on this. thing to answer the questions for them. without pondering the question. themselves and actually learning things. They're just getting data. >> Yes. >> And a lot of that data doesn't even get. absorbed. >> Yeah. My wife and all of her friends are. using chat GBT. >> Here it is. Chat GBT may be eroding. critical thinking skills according to a. new MIT study. >> That's odd. Totally makes sense. Study. divided 54 subjects 18 to 39 year olds. from the Boston area into three groups. and asked them to write several SAT.

essays using open AI's chat GPT Google. circuit Google search engine and nothing. at all respectively. Researchers used an. EEG to record the writer's brain. activity across 32 regions and found. that of the three groups, chat GPT users. had the lowest brain engagement and. consistently underperformed at neural. linguistic and behavioral levels. Over. the course of several months, ChatGpt. users got lazier with with each. subsequent essay, >> often resorting to copy and paste by the.

end of the study. >> Wow. >> Yeah. We're we're gonna just end up. being a residue of a species overwritten. by our own creation. >> Very bizarre. >> [ __ ] scary, dude. >> Very bizarre. Very bizarre because we're. just all running towards the cliff. >> And we're all like, "Yeah, well, we got. to do it cuz if we don't do it, China's. going to do it.". >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, man. I think. >> I think we're going to integrate. That's. what I think. We're We're going to. realize that the only way for us to. survive is to integrate with artificial. intelligence. >> I think people are going to choose.

They're gonna find God either in. artificial intelligence or in nature. People that run the other way are going. to realize. >> like there's definitely going to be. people that worship artificial. intelligence as a new God. Yeah, that's. already been speculated. >> That's for sure going to be a thing. And. it might actually be that might be. that's what God is. Like that's how we. make him. >> We make our we make God forms himself. through us. Like the way God creates us, he instills us with this insatiable need. for technological innovation till.

ultimately if they don't blow themselves. up, they achieve artificial intelligence. which then becomes sensient which then. makes better and better versions of. itself. And as you scale out, what's the. ultimate version of that? >> The ultimate version of that is God. >> Yeah. And then what what what are we? >> We're the chicken and the egg. >> Chicken and the egg. >> Well, there's some new thing, man. Have. you seen this thing about the James Webb. telescope channel? >> Yes, dude. I was talking to Jesse. Michaels about this yesterday. >> Yeah, me and Jesse were talking about it. yesterday, too. So, Jesse's his phone. was getting lit up.

>> Um, I'm going to send you this, Jamie. So, I guess really interesting. >> The story is like this background. microwave radiation is not what we think. it was. There's these mature universes. that are out there that we just. discovered with the James Web. >> This is uh here, I'll send you the um uh. the Twitter thing. Jamie, >> did you find it already? >> Okay, I don't know. >> Web teles telescope uncover secrets of. dark matter. Yeah, that's one of them. But um I'll I'll show you what this is. because what this is is essentially that.

just the galaxies that they've shown um. it it makes up for the background micro. or whatever the microwave radiation is. that they associated with the big bang. So now so according to. >> So the big bang is fake. >> Yeah. >> That that makes a lot of sense. Yeah. >> Yeah. No, I saw the Twitter post and. there's people you know, going after. each other like rabid cats and dogs. about it, whether it was real or whether. it was fake.

>> Yeah. Well, of course, people are going. back and forth about it, but essentially. what they're saying is. >> this kind of. >> it cancels out the idea of the big bang. and Penrose believed that it was a. consistent cycle. >> Penrose believes it goes, you know, big. bang to expansion of the universe to. compression to big bang with this. constant cycle never ending. It's not. that the universe was. >> formed at one period of time. It's like. this constant state of of happening, >> which is that any more crazy than the.

universe happening at one time out of. nothing? No. I mean, it's kind of it's. all crazy. >> Just the idea that it's 13 billion light. years old or 13.7. >> Yeah. >> Or 22. Is 22 even more crazier? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. This is nuts, dude. >> A new paper shows that the cosmic. microwave background radiation can be. explained entirely by the energy of. recently discovered early mature. galaxies. Mass massive galaxies the.

James Web Space Telescope discovered. while crushing or excuse me, discovered. which crushed the existing models of. galaxy formation because they formed. much earlier than astrophysicists. thought possible. But now these EMGs. turn out to account for the entire. energy density of the cosmic microwave. background radiation which was believed. to be a snapshot of the first light. emitted after the Big Bang when the. universe was 379,000. years old. The variations in the CMBB.

were believed to be relics of quantum. fluctuations in the dense plasma of the. Big Bang. If these new findings are. accepted and there's no reason not to. accept them, then all the following. flagship findings of cosmology are. thrown into question. Big bang theory. foundational cosmological model. undermined. Cosmic inflation losses. observation loses rather observational. justification. Uh ACDM model I don't. know what that is. key parameters become.

unreli so all this stuff dark energy. inferred from the CMB may be. mischaracterized dark matter density. current estimates may be invalid age of. the universe must be miscalc uh must be. recalculated. >> wild. >> yes it's insane. >> wild [ __ ] and I'm sure the people that. have been preaching or uh that have been. rather um talking and teaching people. about the big bang and writing books. they're going to fight back tooth and. nail course they don't want to be wrong. >> but this James Webb telescope at the.

very least has shown us mature galaxies. that shouldn't have been able to be. formed. >> The the fact checkers got it. Reader. context. >> This post claims CMB can be explained. entirely by EMGs. Uh implying ability. not probability. The EMGs turn out to. account for the entire energy of the. CMBB radiation. But the paper says EMGs. may account for anywhere between 1.4%. and 100%. So they might account for. 100%. But they do account for That seems. like you're nitpicking. Yes,

>> it might account for 100%. Okay. >> Right. >> Either way, they're learning things and. they still have a very limited ability. to observe. Right. So the James Web. telescope is so much better than the. Hubble, so much better than anything. else they've launched before. So they're. finding new things out, but it's still. limited in its capacity to see the. universe. It can't see everything yet. So they'll probably have an even better. one that they'll launch and that will. show us even more that we didn't know. And we're we're operating on a limited. amount of data and we're operating with.

this conviction that they're 100%. correct. Yes. About these timelines. >> Yes. >> And just that just these mature galaxies. that existed where they shouldn't exist. >> is enough to know that we don't know. everything. And then this whole dark. matter, dark energy thing, it's like. what is it? You can't even what you. don't even know what it is. >> What then we Well, we figured out that. uh that dark matter actually is mass, right? And has gravitational effects. like they were they were um I forget who. it was but they they were observing. galaxies and they were looking at the. spin rate of the galaxies and they found. out that the center of the galaxy it. should be spinning faster than the outer.

rim of it right but they found out that. the spin rate is identical which means. that what they what they theorized is. that dark matter the mass of the dark. matter around the galaxy has lots of. mass and it's flattening the spin rate. of the galaxies. >> which is interesting because like. there's this have you ever heard of this. dude named Ralph Landau. >> no He has this theory um that if you. weighed a hard drive after you put data. on it, it would weigh more than when it.

was empty. Right? So, and his theory was. that like every single hard drive server. farm around the world right now and if. if you weighed it if we had measuring uh. equipment that was sensitive enough and. you could find the difference, he thinks. that all the data stored would be like a. kilogram or less right now. But the rate. of data increase that we accumulate each. year right now is like 25%. Not equating. for exponential growth, the. technological singularity and how that's. going to ramp up. So somebody did the.

math there and said um. >> it was uh no it was Jason Giiani who did. the math on this and he he said if you. just keep the rate flat at 25% per year. of data increase across the across the. globe. in 340 years we are going to have the. mass of the moon on the surface of the. earth in data stored on hard drives. >> What? >> Yeah. Yeah. So like and the way he the. way he like lays this all out I'll try. to do my best is that the if you look at.

the laws of thermodynamics like the two. laws one that energy can never be. created or destroyed and the other one. like uh entropy always increases over. time entropy meaning disorder it never. goes down over time like hence the heat. death of the universe will eventually. happen. >> and so E= MC² energy and mass are. interconvertible. >> and Then there was this other dude. Claude Shannon who came up with the. theory that uh data transmission with. binary bits ones and zeros right so so.

if computers are bound by tell me if. you're if I'm losing you no if if. computers are bound by the laws of. entropy. and hard drives are bound by the laws of. entropy that means when a computer is. blank it's very low entropy because it's. all ones or it's all zeros when you add. data when you add a podcast to it goes 1. 0 1 0 1 0 it's chaotic just from From a. pure physical uh perspective, it's high. entropy. So what happens when you erase that hard.

drive? You have to the energy has to go. has to leave. If if it's mass on the. hard drive, theoretically, if this guy's. right, if Ralph Landar is right, that. data on the hard drive is mass. When you. erase that, it has to go to energy. outside of the hard drive. Right? So he. says if you but but if you crack open a. hard drive, you can't see that mass, right? It's invisible. It's. electromagnetically indetectable. So he says, "What other kind of mass do.

we know of that's electromagnetically. indetectable?" He said, "It's dark. matter.". So if if mass is the same thing as. information stored on a hard drive, that would mean not only is mass and. energy interchangeable, but mass, energy, and information are. interchangeable, right? So if if dark. matter is mass, you could then say. that dark matter is a computational.

cloud of ones and zeros and our our uh. consciousness is an interface to that. that gives it meaning. The same way a. computer screen gives meaning to all the. ones and zeros on the hard drive. >> Ah. >> like you watch the video it g it has. meaning to. So this is the concept that. consciousness engages with matter and. that is how matter exists that it exists. because you're observing it. >> Yeah. The only reason yeah consciousness. is fundamental to an information.

processing system. So instead of. building up to like but what physicists. what people try to do is build up to. consciousness from dead atoms, protons. and neutrons, right? You how do you get. to consciousness from that? But if you. think of this as like a computational. cloud of ones and zeros and mass does. equal information, well that just means. that our conscious our consciousness is. a way to interface and give this. simulation meaning. And funny enough. that that theory really reconciles well.

with [ __ ] like parasychology and like um. Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance. like when you solve one problem in one. one part of the world and then. >> like somebody breaks a world record in. this country and then five you know a. year later five other people hit that. same world record. It's like uh. conserving energy the processing system. conserving energy. There's a guy there's. a scientist that he found computational. code. Uh what did he you know you remember. this guy Jamie that he he he believes.

that he found computational code that. proves that like the universe is a. simulation. >> But this guy uh I tried to get him to. come on the podcast but he said I was. anti-science because the COVID vaccine. stuff. This is a few few years back. though. Maybe he's kind of woken up and. changed his tune. I doubt it, though. >> A lot of people got indoctrinated. >> That's anti-science. Like actual data is. anti-science. >> What is Whose data? Whose data are you.

going by? We could have a conversation. about that if you like. I'll show you. some things. >> You can have a great conversation. I. think you've said everything. >> Have a seat. Have a seat. Let's go over. some studies. >> Is this the dude? >> Yeah, that's the guy. Um, so what was. his uh So, this guy won't come on my. show because he says I'm anti-science. >> Symmetry, super gravity. >> Yes. >> Theory. And but what is is this. discovery that he. >> was from Tampa? Born in Tampa. >> He found. see. what was the um supposed discovery about. the computational code.

What did it say? Are we living in a computer simulation? Yeah, this is it. James Gates, theoretical physicist, the University of. Maryland. Autocorrecting codes. Click. click on that, Jamie. Scientific. American article. Oh, I can just write. it right from there, I guess. Explored. mathematical structure of string theory. specifically in the context of super. symmetry and has found what he describes. as error correcting codes embedded. within the equations. These codes are. mathematical objects similar to those. used in computer science for error.

detection and correction, such as in. data transmission. While these findings. are intriguing, it's important to note. that they are not literal computer code, but rather mathematical structures that. share similarities with coding theory. >> H yeah, it's important to learn that. But that's [ __ ] crazy. >> Yeah, it is [ __ ]. >> All of it is crazy. >> Mhm. >> But James Gates as of I think 2 years. ago wasn't willing to come on the. podcast and talk about it. >> Yeah. If I had a dollar for every person. who said they wouldn't come on my. podcast cuz it's too pseudoscientific. I. would have like $5.

>> Why not? Why not come on and illuminate. people? >> Yeah. I had this this there's I don't. want to say who she is, but like this. lady who had this amazing book on like. uh the uh Greek weapons and poisons that. they used to use for war. Like they used. to like drop scorpions over Amazing. book. Like they used to light pigs on. fire and like send them towards. elephants to try to get the elephants to. run away and like throw bags of. scorpions on people and I'm like this. [ __ ] book is amazing. I need to get. this lady. She's. >> we're not we're not we're not too we're. not uh academic enough, I guess. But I'm. trying to get there.

>> Yeah, but what does that mean? >> What does it mean? We're just human. beings having a conversation. You're the. academic. >> Come in and tell me what you know. >> Yeah. >> What's the big deal? >> Yeah. You do a great job of like having. both sides in, which I think is really. cool. Like you have like the the crazy. fringe people who are like educated, self-educated, but are very smart in a. certain way and then other people who. like have the the academic credentials. to sort of like be a sounding board for. that and to see like who's really full. of [ __ ]. >> Yeah, you have to have all because there. are some people that are they're.

self-taught. They've essentially just. read [ __ ] tons of books and they're. brilliant people. And just because. they're not classically educated, >> it doesn't mean they're incorrect. And. there's only one way to find that out. Guys like Randall Carlson, he's a. builder. Okay? But the knowledge that he. has about the. >> impact theory, the younger dus impact. theory and what probably ended the ice. age and and shaped a a great part of. North America and how you could see it. from space and you could see when they. look at the satellite imagery and you it.

literally looks like things have been. washed away. It looks like massive water. erosion. Like you can see the ripples on. the ground that are akin to what it. looks like when the tide pulls back on. the sand on a beach. >> Yeah, >> it's it all makes sense. And he knows so. much about the actual science behind it. And he was talking about this a long. time ago. I met him in Georgia in. Atlanta. That's where he's from. I met. him in like 200. three or something like that. 2002, 200. He was telling me about it back then.

But back then they didn't have the core. samples that showed that there was. significant impact uh evidence that was. around I think it was 11,800 years ago. and then again somewhere around 10,000. plus years ago. >> So we I think we've been hit multiple. times. >> and I think he's 100% right about that. And I think Graham Hancock is 100% on to. something with these. >> all this ancient apocalypse stuff and. the push back against him is insane. They throw every terrible phrase at him. they possibly can. Every pjorative,

racist, white supremacist, all these. crazy things with. >> Yeah, I had Flynn Dibble on my podcast. We talked about it. >> Fascinating. >> Yeah, he's great. He's I actually liked. him. >> He's a nice guy when he's not calling. you a racist. >> When he's not in front of a keyboard, right? Yeah. Well, he he you know he's. an anxietyfilled academic. >> who is you know fighting very hard to. push his very specific view of things. and he tries to silence other people. that have oppos opposing views.

>> and the way he did it with Graham was. really not cool. It was No, >> it was shitty. It was very shitty. >> Yeah. No, I think he was uh I think he. had a lot of like interesting legitimate. things to say about like ancient Greeks. and stuff like that, but like when we. got to this stuff. >> Mhm. It was just like, "Where did that. [ __ ] dude I was talking to 30 minutes. ago?" He was just like, he was looking. at this and then all reason just flew. out the window. >> Yeah. >> He was like, he was like, "What do you. mean they couldn't do this? They stick a. stone in there. They spin it around like. this and then you can get this. It's.

really easily. How dare you say that the. that the dynastic Egyptians weren't able. to create these vases?" And I'm like, and I, you know, I was like proposing. other theories that like, you know, uh, Chris Dunn's Jeffrey Drums theories and. wanted absolutely nothing to do with it. And like. >> we don't know. This is the thing. >> That's the thing. Exactly. If if if. Christopher Dunn had been teaching this. in the 1800s and people had followed. those theories and built upon them and. this was academic you like in in. universities this was accepted and this.

was what they were teaching and they. were studying this then he would be. saying that they would all be saying. that there's ample evidence that he's. got a good point that Christopher Dunn. the model that he uses when he's. describing how he thinks that a that the. great pyramid of Giza was a power plant. is fascinating. >> that the number when when he's talking. about the ratios that you would need for. the width of the walls, the surfaces, what the way the things are made, they. would all work. Yep. >> He's an engineer. Like he's not a [ __ ]. He knows what he's talking about. If. this guy was teaching this stuff a long.

time ago and it was accepted by. universities, that would be what we're. talking about today. We'd be speculating. how they did it and what they were doing. and what they were doing it for. And if. we had known in the 1800s that we. regularly travel into a comet storm and. that it happens, I think it's every June. and November we pass through the, you. know, and we see it in the sky. We see. meteor showers, you know, you see, oh, look at the sky. Look at all the. shooting stars. We're we're in a [ __ ]. shooting gallery and occasionally one of. those slams into the earth. Yeah.

>> And when that stuff happens, we're. [ __ ]. >> And it's super likely that that happened. multiple times during human history. And. it's super likely that that's why. there's all these structures that nobody. could explain. >> that are somehow or another predate. modern civilization like Gobeclet. That. [ __ ] them all up because before. Golcite, they had this 6,000year model. Yeah. >> Mesopotamia, Sumeare, that's where it. all started. Now they're like, well, maybe it's Turkey. Maybe Turkey was the.

birth. I mean, Jimmy Corsetti's been. talking about this a lot. And I. understand like where they're coming. from from the I like I can see their. point of view from the academics. Not. that I would act like them or like. condone the way they act, but like when. you spend your life, Flint, for example, like I think his parents were. archaeologists, named him Flint because. of archaeology and like. >> you spent your whole life mucking. through these different places, excavating [ __ ] digging up rocks or. whatever he was doing, never and no one. ever paid attention to you. And then you. have Graham Hancock come in who is like.

personally fascinated by these things. and dedicating his life to writing and. researching on his own but not. accredited academically. You can see. like how those guys would how those. academic guys would be like super salty. of somebody like I understand that. >> Oh, I get it. >> It's not an excuse for what he did which. I think was shitty, right? >> Yeah. It's not an excuse. >> But like. >> I understand their perspective but it's. ego-driven. >> Yeah. If we really were interested, you. would take these heterodox scientists. and you'd bring them in and you would. say like what do you like these they're. studying data. Guys like Graham Hancock.

and Randle Carlson, they're studying. they're studying these things. Graham. was just in Iraq. He just was go going. over there to look at like ancient. Sumerian stuff, >> you know. He sent me some photos of his. trip. He said it was fascinating. >> Wow. >> Yeah. It's these structures are. incredible and they don't really. understand them. >> We really don't. We don't even know like. who really built the Aztec temples, >> you know, like uh I was reading about uh. Tinoitlan. They like they found it. The. Aztecs found that there. >> and they don't even know who built it,

>> right? >> There's a bunch of those things. They're. like a previous civilization existed in. the same place. Fascinating discoveries, figured out how to do agriculture, figured out how to make grids and cities. and make these incredible stone. structures that are cosmologically. connected somehow. And then they went. away. >> like and all over the world. All over. the world there's like people reinvent. civilization the places where these. ancient structures exist and even build. upon them. They build over them. >> Yeah. I think there's probably so much.

[ __ ] that that people were able to do in. antiquity and way before that. That. would seem like magic to us today. Like. kind of like getting back to what we. were talking about with our senses that. we don't really have today that probably. have atrophied over millennia. >> Like your fart theory which is amazing. Remember, you remember your fart theory? >> Oh, how's it going again? >> Imagine if somebody farted and you. didn't have a nose and you haven't. developed this nose that enables you to. survive and smell predators fire. You. would have no idea you're sitting there. bathing in somebody's fart, right? >> So, like, and so like dogs, you dogs and.

cats when they go into weird houses and. they notice like some sort of weird. energy. You know, people describe energy. in a house like this is this feels off. Like what is that? Like is there is. there something that really is there. that we just don't have the organs. anymore to detect or something in our. brain that has atrophied over thousands. of years that have stopped us being able. to detect this stuff? >> Well, think about how birds can they can. figure out a way to travel like super. accurately through the sky but drawn by.

the magnetic force of the earth. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> They they have somehow or another they. can they figure out a way to navigate. with the earth's magnetic field. M. >> we don't even understand it, >> but they do it. They migrate. successfully every year, >> we know they do it. >> That that's a sense that they have that. we don't have. >> Like it's probably a fun a [ __ ] [ __ ]. ton of there's probably a bunch of. things going on in the world that we're. not interacting with because we don't. have the senses for. >> Right. Yeah. And uh you know, one of the.

things that I've been like really. interested in lately is uh this I mean. people talk about this ability to like. download information like in the UFO. world, you know, like people talk about, oh, I got this from a download or. something like that. They talk about. like I have an antenna, I can connect to. something. Mhm. >> But like for me like that connected when. I first heard about people talking about. that I always thought that that was like. the muse, you know, like you have this. sort of antenna in your head that.

connects you to creativity and gives you. the ability to just create [ __ ] out of. thin air, you know? And I feel like over. with people I've observed over my. lifetime, I feel like that peaks at an. early age, right? Before you get older. and before you start the burden of life, the responsibilities of life and all. these mundane things in your life start. to compile on and you trade your dreams. for securities that that spark starts to.

go away, you know, and uh like that. could easily be described as something. magical if it was way more powerful. thousands of years ago. Like. I really noticed this the other day. So, I was the other day I was hanging out. with uh with Kirk, the lead guitarist. for Metallica, and he was for some. reason, I don't know why, but he's likes. my show. And we were just like, >> "You got a great show.". >> We were talking. Thank you. I appreciate. it. It's weird. I feel like an. imposttor. Uh.

>> that's good. That's why you're good at. it. >> But he loves this stuff. The dude's. like, you know, he's in his 60s, like. early 60s, and he's [ __ ] obsessed. with all of these topics that like that. you cover, I cover, a lot of people. cover, and he's like at the same time, he's the dude is like got this crazy. spark where he's so inspired to do [ __ ]. and like still creating new music and. like coming up with new riffs and uh and. wanting to do more things where like.

I've never met a dude like that who's. had so much success, toured everywhere. for the last 40 years, being the number. one metal band in the world basically, and. still like wanting to learn stuff. The. dude is trying to translate ancient. Greek music for his guitar and trying to. figure out how to play this stuff. He. can't figure it out. And he was telling. me, he's like, "Dude, I think this. wasn't recreational." He's like, "I. think this music was magical." He's.

like, I think they were performing. magic. He thinks it was like religious. medical rights they were performing with. music. It wasn't supposed to be. entertainment back in the day. Well, there is this weird connection with. music and psychedelics where music can. sort of. it it it. changes the trip. Like if if you listen. to Do you know what ikaros are? >> No. >> Ekaros are these uh Hook it up, Jamie. Ikaro are these South American songs.

that they play while you're doing. Iawaska. And. >> if you do DMT and listen to these. things, they take over the trip and the. song. >> the the trip moves with the song in. harmony. Like exactly. It's not like the. trip is chaotic and you hear the songs. and these songs are like a technology. >> to move the trip. >> It's really fascinating because you.

listen to the songs and you're like, well, what are these things? Like what. are they trying to do with these? They. they sound kind of weird, but when you. listen to these songs while you're. tripping, it makes the trip dance. It. makes the geometric pattern. [Music]. So, you are lying on the floor. It's. Costa Rica. >> You're lying on a yoga mat in the jungle. with a bunch of 40-year-old ladies with.

boob jobs trying to get their life. together. >> Tech entrepreneurs. >> Tech entrepreneurs. Navy Seals. >> Yeah. >> And you just threw up. You have horrible. diarrhea. And this trip just starts coming on. >> I think I just found Jesus. >> Give me Give me a little more something. that would like a little more beat to. it. I got some on my phone. >> I heard the one that uh you know you had. Luke on recently. Luke Caverns. He's. great. >> He had a great uh great little clip that. he played. >> Here we go. This is my favorite one.

>> And they dance. >> They dance to this song while you're. tripping. balls. >> You No, the psychedelic experience. dances to this song. >> Oh, when you're lying there with your. eyes closed, >> that's wild. >> And the whole time it's doing it's like. synchronized together. >> And the whole time it's doing it's like. it's like a method for showing you more. things. And as you go through it with.

the music, there's something comforting. in the pattern of the music and the way. it dances to the music that allows you. to relax and unveils more and more of. itself. >> It's very trippy. And the fact that. these guys figure this out, >> how did you figure this out? >> Yeah, man. There's. >> Well, he's your your friend is probably. right. The Metallica guy's probably. right. Yeah, >> it's probably they were probably that. music probably synchronized with the. trips. >> like when they were doing the Illusinian. Mysteries. Yeah, when I went to their.

concert in Tampa the other day and I was. walking in, I made me regret not going. to more concerts when I was younger, but. like being in that stadium, the the Buck. Stadium where there was 90,000 people. Every seat in that arena was full and. you hear. well it goes black. There it is. Lightning strike happens. Insane. >> Look at this lightning strike. caused an. earthquake. >> They're actually I mean super dangerous, but that was badass.

>> That is [ __ ] insane. Ride the. lightning, [ __ ]. >> That's so dangerous, >> dude. being there with 90,000 people, the light, the thundering electric. guitars and the the the the fire, the. pyrochnics, and all those people like. focusing like all 90,000 people, every. atom in their body is vibrating at the. same frequency. >> And it just like that is it's like magic.

that penetrates every fiber of your. being. And if I was a dude from 2,000. years ago and took a time machine to. that Metallica concert, those dudes are. gods, >> right? They're [ __ ] gods. I think. that's what theian Mysteries probably. was. >> Well, they probably had music that that. enhanced the trip. It probably guided. the trip. They probably learned how to. do it while they were tripping. >> Mhm. >> Like they figured out so much. They. figured out democracy. They they they. started so so much of what we think of. as like western government. Yeah. And.

>> the scientific method, democracy, all. this stuff, >> tripping balls. And then the Romans came. along and said, "Put stop. >> We're here to make slaves out of you. [ __ ] people. We don't want you. tripping.". >> Right. Yeah. That was uh Yeah. They. killed they killed Elus in like what 400. AD, I think. >> Well, they did exactly the same things. the Nixon administration did to. psychedelics in this country. >> They're like, "Oh, this is a problem. when they were turning everything. schedule one to try to stop the anti-war. movement and the civil rights movement.".

>> That's the exact same thing. Like. governments when they get to a certain. position of power, >> they're not representing the people. anymore. Now they're now they're the. [ __ ] jack booted thugs that tell you. what you can and can't do. >> based on how inconvenient it is for you. to be doing that for them running. things, >> right? Yeah. It's just it's terrible. It's the opposite of what it should be. It's the opposite of what got it's the. opposite of what got us here, I think, bro. >> Yes. And. >> I had we're too big now. There's too. many of us. That's part of the problem. It's like you want to govern 330 million. people plus Mexicans. Good luck. I had.

this dude on my show, speaking of uh the. academic, the strife between the. academics and the self-taught uh online. people, influencers, whatever you want. to call them. This dude was uh he was. kicked out of his university. for he first of all, he wrote a. dissertation on ancient pharmacy, the. Roman Roman pharmacy and Greek pharmacy. And it was a dissertation based on this. guy named Gayen who was like the surgeon. general of ancient Rome. and he had a. chapter in his dissertation, his PhD.

dissertation about uh recreational drugs. in Rome. And the head of the department. reviewed his dissertation and said, "Everything looks great. Delete the. section on recreational drugs in ancient. Rome." So he's like, "Okay, why?". They're like, "Cuz the Romans wouldn't. do such a thing." So he's like, "Okay.". He deleted it and then submitted it, got. his PhD, and then wrote a book based on. that part of the dissertation that he. left out, which the book was called The. Chemical Muse. And uh I learned about. this from Hamilton Morris. He did a. podcast with the dude first.

and I read that book and you know he was. basically making the case that drugs. were ubiquitous in anti in antiquity. during the Roman times. Like they were. being used for everything because people. were not dying from old age. They were. dying from war, handtohand combat, famine, plague, >> infection, >> all these things. Infection. So like. people were were constantly using drugs. and there was a law in ancient Rome that. he said there was only one law when it. came to using drugs and that was that.

you that was that you were not allowed. to kill people with drugs. You were not. allowed to murder people which is why. Marcus Aurelius was using this drug. compound called a uh uh theak. And the. the was a concoction of like 11. different North African vipers, their. flesh and their venom comp combined with. opium and all kinds of like body bodily. fluids. And he was using this as like a. performance-enhancing drug. >> Whoa. >> Because people were trying to. assassinate him with poisons. That's how.

they assassinated people. They were. using scorpions, poisons, arrows, all. like all different kinds of weird things. to sneak in and kill him. So he was. drinking this theory to build up his. immune system against the vitam against. the the the uh venoms. >> and uh dude he this dude Galen who wrote. about this [ __ ] he was talking about. giving he was Marcus Aurelius's. physician and he was like Marcus. Aurelius he's like it's getting. ridiculous it's getting annoying I keep. having to up his opium dose he keeps.

using more and more [ __ ] opium I. can't get him off of it. >> Oh my god. >> Yeah. And uh so Galen the physician the. the the surgeon general of the Roman. Empire uh under Marcus Aurelius uh and. Nero I think basically uh. equates to 10% of all the Greek. literature from antiquity 10% of it is. medical and this dude that uh wrote this. dissertation based it all of Galen is.

talking about all these drug compounds. that are used and all the so what does. is he looks at all the ancient. literature from from Homer to you know. like 800 to like the time that Bailwolf. was written basically uh 80 and he's. like. finding all of this evidence of crazy. drug use and he has this crazy theory. also that uh I don't know if it's crazy. I don't know the problem like with with.

talking to people like them like him is. that I don't know ancient Greek. I can't. read it. >> Right. >> And I try to have I've tried to have. like four or five academics come on the. show to like refute him, but they won't. come on with him. They all refuse to. debate him except for one guy. >> Interesting. >> Yeah. Why? >> Cuz he's saying Christ is a drug. >> Oh, I saw that video. >> Oh, you saw the whole thing. >> No, I saw that video pop up my YouTube. I'm like, Danny Jones going crazy like. what is he doing? Christ is a drug. What? >> So, >> but that's also what John Marco Allegro.

alleges. >> kind of kind of. Well, he said that the. ancient Sumerian word for uh a mushroom. it no for Christ is a mushroom that's. covered in God's semen. >> Yeah. >> Cuz the mushrooms would come out of the. ground and they thought the rain was God. coming on the earth and that's where you. know that's what gave life to the earth. >> and then they would take these mushrooms. and see God. >> Right. Yeah. I don't know much about. John Marco Allegro but I think that I I. read his book the uh the sacred mushroom. in the cross. Yeah. He was like using.

Sumerian roots or something to translate. the Dead Sea Scrolls. >> But this guy is basically saying the. word Christ, the word the the the root. of the word Christ is creo in Greek, right? And it was used since Homer and. there's all these passages which he's. this dude sent me I literally I I call. him all the time and I ask him I'm like. I need more evidence. Send me more [ __ ]. And he sends me passages from like. ancient literature Homer that's. translated with the English directly. under it. And they're using this word. Christ as a term for applying drugs to.

people in antiquity. >> Whoa. >> Like Christing arrows with poisons, right? It's like uh and. >> and what year was this where they were. doing this? >> Back all the way to like 800 BC was when. Homer starts using it. >> So they're using this term before. Christ. >> Way before Christ. It was well, so to be. clear, in antiquity, if you look it up. on the thesaurus, the actual like Greek. thesaurus, it's called the TLG, and you. look up the word Christ, there's there's.

over 200 200,000 or more uses of the. word Christ. And there's like 350 times. where it's used in the context of drugs. before Jesus Christ is ever written. about. >> Whoa. And uh what he's what he's basically. claiming is that there's like it's it's. it's the the process of applying. something like there's there's different. contexts like there's a guy who like. Christed himself in [ __ ] cow [ __ ]. There's people who are Christing ships.

with plaster to make them more. waterproof. But there's a vast majority. of literature, including Galen, who. writes about Christing using drugs. And. he's coming up with this controversial. theory, which is, you know, super. [ __ ] controversial, that Christ was. like, if you think of the word Christ, a. person can be a Christ, like a Christ. Like, think of Bob the Builder. He's a. builder. He builds [ __ ] Christ was, they called him Jesus the Christ. So he.

thinks Christ was somebody who was. involved with drugs, taking drugs, giving people drugs, performing. performing magic like a shaman. Yeah, exactly. Similar to that. >> And uh like. >> by the way, a real shaman would say all. the things that Jesus said. >> Yes, that's a good point. >> So. and it gets like it gets way weirder, bro. And again, like I this is all. according to him. I don't know if any of. this is real. I just find it [ __ ]. fascinating and I wish I could find.

somebody who really knows the Greek to. debate this dude and call him out in his. [ __ ] but I can't. The only person I. found was an exorcist who's done like. 10,000 exorcisms on Skype. >> A Skype exorcist. >> Skype exorcist. >> Boy, that sounds like a scam and a half. >> And he came in and they were just. arguing about it for a little while. And. the guy tried to baptize me with uh holy. oil. And you know, I got into an. argument with him about drugs. >> He tried to baptize you? Yeah. He. brought hol holy oil and he tried to. baptize me with the holy oil. >> Did he say why he was doing this?

>> Because he thinks that I uh he thinks. that Satan is inside of me. >> Of you. >> Of me. Yeah. And uh which he might be. >> What did what evidence did he have that. Satan was inside of you? >> Because I like to consume drugs. recreationally. And I was telling him if. Satan is drugs, if I can smoke marijuana. and it's prescribed by a doctor, is it. still Satan? He goes, "No, don't play. those games with me." And I'm like, "Well, how come every time I get really. really [ __ ] bombed, I think about. things like spending more times with my. kids.

>> and things like good things?" Like, >> yeah. >> And he's like, "Don't try to patronize. me. You know what it is? It's the. devil.". >> Oh, he's a fool. >> Oh, yeah. Like that's a problem. Like. this guy's a show. It's a show a. showman. >> Well, cannabis was used in churches. They used to, you know, the incense. where they would go around, they would. that was cannabis. They would use that. and they would get everybody in the. church high and. >> fumigate it. Yeah. >> Yeah. They would literally hotbox the. church. >> Uhhuh. >> And this is a part of this whole ritual. of, you know, giving in to to Christ, giving.

in to God, >> right? >> This the idea that it's bad because some. people have bad experiences, man. You. could apply that to almost anything. >> Mhm. >> I think marijuana makes people more. compassionate, kinder, more sensitive, but also paranoid. You could freak out. You could if you're riddled with anxiety. and you have a hard time controlling. that anxiety in your mind and you take a. high dose of marijuana, you could freak. out. >> Yeah. >> It's also connected to schizophrenia. >> Mhm. >> Because I think there's people that have. a tendency towards schizophrenia anyway.

and then a large dose of marijuana tends. to give them psychotic breaks. There's. like real literature. There's real real. evidence of that. So, this is like. important that if you're a person who. thinks that marijuana is overall net. positive, which I do, it's important to. talk about the negatives. Just like. everything else, like alcohol, food, >> everything. There's a lot of different. things that if you do, if you drink too. much water, you'll [ __ ] die, okay? There's a lot of things that aren't good. for you under certain circumstances. But. the only way we know how to do it and.

how not to do it is to do studies. And. when it's illegal and you're terrified. you can go to jail or if you're an. academic and you want to study this as. your main you just get dismissed. It's. could be career suicide, >> right? >> So these people are foolish. >> Yeah. And that's the problem like like. this was the only dude I could get to. agree to come sit with him because this. guy had a YouTube channel. He wanted to. promote himself and all this stuff. But. like a lot of the academics I talked to. a lot of Harvard philologists to try to. come debate this guy. And like the.

philologists like there's a difference. between a linguist which I think Marco. Leger was and a philologist where the. linguists look at the actual uh like the. the complexities of the text itself and. the language but the philologists what. they do is they're looking for context. So like they what they do is they take. words and they try to figure out what. these specific words meant in certain. time periods. So they take a word, take. their time machine back. Let's take it. back to 200 BC, 100 BC, whatever it is,

and they say, "Okay, let's just use the. example of the word Rio Christ. Let's. look at all of the corpus of all the. [ __ ] literature that existed in the. library of Alexandria. There there was. ancient comedy, ancient plays. >> What did you say there?" The the the. word f What did you say? >> Creo. >> Creo. >> Creo. Yeah, that's the. >> It's like It's spelled X R I O, but it's. pronounced like ho. Frio. >> And that was the original word for. Christ. >> The original word for Christ is frio. Yeah. >> Oh. >> And I've had people like confirm this. with me. And I I recently had a [ __ ]. scholar on the show, a religious scholar.

who turned atheist. Weirdly enough, he. started out Christian and turned. atheist. And he was telling me he like. I'd be surprised if the word creo was. ever used before before Christ. And I. literally pulled up the source of. Uripides talking about using Christing. drugs in like I think it was 200 BC. And. the dude was like blown away. M. So he. didn't know that. >> He didn't know it. And this dude's like. a serious academic. >> So this guy that you had on your. podcast, what is his name again? The. Christ drug guy. >> Amen Hillman. >> Amen Hillman. Yeah.

>> And he So he's a legit scholar. >> He's a legit scholar. PhD. >> And other legit scholars are unwilling. to even entertain this. >> Yes. I've talked to many of them on the. phone and a lot of them say uh they. don't want to give him I won't name the. people but one of them said that they. they just don't want to give him the. platform or the credibility of being in. the same room. Other people say that it. would just take too much time for them. to prep for it and I just think it's a. bull I just think it's [ __ ] Like I.

this is the only way to get to the truth. is to hear like a credible person. dismantle his argument. Right. So like I. have it. I just keep falling deeper and. deeper into this rabbit hole of all this. crazy ancient Greek [ __ ] And like you. know he's talking about ancient like. vaccines that they were using like. similar to what we're talking about the. the he says that there's text that talks. about cutting kids cutting children. soaking bandages in drug in in snake. venoms and wrapping the cut with a snake. venom so that that the young person. would create antibodies because they.

have more robust immune systems because. they're younger. >> and they would use that the kid's bodily. fluid as [ __ ] vaccines to snake. bites. Yeah. >> Oh, they were making kids into vaccine. factories. >> They were turning kids into vaccine. factories. >> so that they get snake venom. >> cuz everyone was getting bitten by. snakes back then. And then they would. take drugs too like they would I'm sure. they would take psychotropic drugs that. would and they would call them death. inducing drugs where they would have. snake venoms. They would like take snake. venom drugs that if you don't have an.

antidote for it, an antichrist for it. that you would die. So you have to take. this antidote. so you don't die from the. [ __ ] drug you just drank, right? These antidotes. And like he connects. this all to Jesus in this elaborate way. where there there's Mark 14:53 where. Jesus is caught in the Garden of. Gethsemane with the naked boy, right? And then there's a scene of the the. young boy running away naked, right? When the when the when the Roman SWAT.

team pulls up on him and then the little. kid runs away and he goes, "Oh, I'm not. I'm not a I'm not a trafficker. I'm not. a robber." Whatever the word lace means. means like pirate, trafficker, robber. And then they take him and then he's on. the cross the next day and he's like. screaming out like dying of thirst in. between two traffickers. and he's asking and there's this dude. Nonus who writes about this scene. specifically. in ancient Greek and he talks about the. them giving trying to give him the. sponge and he's denying the sponge right.

so the sponge noness is writing about. this that the sponge is the andidotone. to the dip sauce which is the antidote. to the North African viper, but he's. refusing to take the antidote. He's just. dying because he took this death inducer. at 4:00 a.m. in the park in the uh. garden of Gethsemane. And now he's just. going to let himself die in the cross. So like, yeah, there's that. I don't. know. I don't know what to make of any. of it. It it make of this stuff. I just, you know, I hear people saying that it's. all [ __ ] but like [ __ ] is it.

interesting. >> Well, bizarre that they use the term. Christ before Christ. Yeah, >> just bizarre. >> It's been used. Yeah, you can look it. up. It's used all throughout Homer, Uripides, all these other authors. Like. there's like again getting back to the. philology stuff. The philologists, they. go back in time and they look at the. context of all of the literature, not. just not just the biblical cannon, which. is like a narrow lane of ancient. literature, right? But they're looking. at the philosophy, the the the the um. legal texts, the medical texts,

everything, and saying, "Okay, let's. take this word, look where it's used in. all of these different texts throughout. all kinds of professions, and see what. the consensus is of what it meant during. that time period." And what he's. claiming is that the [ __ ] word Christ. meant drugs back then. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. >> Whoa. Pretty bananas. Well, it's so hard. to know what all that stuff was about. It's so hard to know why these people. wrote these things down. You know, when.

I had Wes Huff on Yeah. one of the. things he talked about is the book of. Isaiah. When you see it in the Dead Sea. Scrolls, and then a thousand years. later, it's verbatim. A thousand a. thousand years after the Dead Sea. Scroll, the version that they find of. the book of Isaiah is word for word. >> Really? >> Yeah. A thousand years. Like, what were. they trying to document? Like, what were. the original stories? Cuz like human. beings are not a good source of. information, especially back then. It's. just too hard to be. >> accountable. Why would you be honest?

People make grandiose claims. They. exaggerate. We see it today. It's like. humans today are the same as humans back. then. We're flawed, right? >> So, we know today that our versions of. history are are are deeply biased. our. versions of world events, our versions. of I mean if the United States. government could write the story about. the invasion of Iraq without. investigative journalists, right? What. would be the story? >> And this is part of the problems like we. don't really know what they were trying. to say. It was an oral history for who.

knows how long before they ever wrote. down the Old Testament. >> Yeah. >> And it got redacted and added to over. time. And there's like all kinds of. weird secret gospels, secret gospel of. Mark that they claim that this dude uh. Morton Smith came up with, >> which was similar to Almond's theories, but that then, you know, people say, "Oh, that's a forgery. It's a forgery. secret gospel at the secret gospel of. Mark's a forgery that he [ __ ] knew. Greek really well and he knew the. culture really well and all the cults. you know and like. dude like.

you know even like the mysteries of uh. of the hospitals in ancient Rome like. the um the temples of Eskeipius and. doing all those rituals in the the. temples of Eskeipius using medicine and. drugs simultaneously and these these. venoms and all this stuff is Uh it's. interesting to learn, you know, and. especially when you compare that stuff. to the biblical stuff, you know, like how much has it been. changed? How much has the meaning been.

changed? And like. the people most of the academics who. study this stuff are. maybe not most of them but a large major. a large percentage of them I think that. I've talked to they're religious. scholars scholars of the Bible and. Christianity but they also subscribe to. Christianity. >> you know so I'm like there is that like. a it's weird that there's kind of like a. built-in bias into this stuff. You kind. of want this stuff to mean something. right? >> You know what I'm saying? >> Yes. For sure. That was what was.

interesting about Algro because John. Marco Algro was an ordained minister who. once he became a theologian, a. theologist, >> theologian rather, once he studied. theology, he started to have agnostic. thoughts. And so he when he was one of. the deciphers of the Dead Sea Scrolls. when he was on the committee, >> he was agnostic at the time. Mhm. >> So he had already decided and through. his study of all these different. religions that maybe he wouldn't. subscribe to any of them and leave an. open mind.

>> So he was the only person on the. commission that was deciphering the Dead. Sea Scrolls over a period of like 14. million or 14 years rather. He he. studied this stuff. >> He was the only one who was agnostic. >> And he again his claims are widely. dismissed by many many people. >> But I think. >> yeah this dude Almond thinks he's full. of [ __ ] Does he what does he think? >> He just he he uh he he was like came up. under this under like some of the top. classical scholars of like modern times.

One of those dudes is Carl Ruck. He. wrote The Road to Elusus. And this other. guy is John Scar Bro who's dead now. And. for some reason, none of them whenever I. ask him about Algro, like I don't. [ __ ] know. They don't pay attention. to it for some reason. >> Well, I think you would have to be a. real scholar in biblical languages to. even understand what the [ __ ] he's. saying. >> Yeah. And to be able to translate ancient. Sumere, >> yeah, >> ancient Sumerian, like according to Wes. Huff, he's like, "I tried. I couldn't. even figure it out to do it.". >> Also, how does ancient Sumerian connect. to Hebrew?

>> Right. >> Is there any correlation between ancient. Sumerian and ancient Hebrew? Do they. share any roots? Is there any are there. any bridges that connect those two. languages? I have no idea. >> I don't know either. But, you know, you're dealing with if if it really goes. back that far. So if he's talking about. this term from ancient Sumere where they. are calling it a drug, they're saying. it's a mushroom. >> and this is from 5,000 years ago, 6,000. years ago, you know, you're predating. the Bible by a long stretch. >> And how old was that? How I mean, if if.

they're right about Turkey, and Turkey. was the original civilization. Like what. when is that? >> Is that 12,000 years ago? What what is. the real date of Egypt? What is the real. date of the original structures of. Egypt? Do they know? >> Mhm. I mean, we're told it's 2,500 BC. for the Great Pyramid, but boy, there's. a lot of people that don't agree with. that, including g geologists. When you. get guys like Robert Shock who say like. this water erosion is thousands of years. of rainfall. Last time you had heavy. rainfall in the Nile Valley, you're. looking at 9,000 years ago, right?

>> So, you have thousands of years of. rainfall before 9,000 years ago that's. going to create this kind of erosion. Mhm. >> And so it's hard to know because. everybody wants to be right and they all. they all have this date that they've. been talking about and writing books. about and giving lectures about. They. never want to revise that. >> They they gatekeep that information till. the day they never want to have an open. mind and say perhaps there's this there. is evidence of course that there was a. sophisticated civilization there 2,500. BC but maybe they were a part of a very.

old civilization. And this is the Zeppy. thing that Zawi Hawas was totally. ignorant of and he thought it was just. completely [ __ ] And this is the. King's List that goes back 30,000 years. >> that they they talk about and the way. Egyptologists that are conventional. thinkers, they they think that it's. mythology. They think that's myth. But, you know, you get to about 2,500 BC, that's all real. >> Well, how the [ __ ] do you know,

>> right? They don't. >> You don't. And also if if there was an. advanced civilization 11,800 years ago. that was able to create Gobeclette, which we know now to be true, >> what else have we not found? >> Right. Was it a breakaway civilization? Did they escape the Earth and go to the. moon? >> Right. >> Right. Like they're trying to do now. >> Or, you know, was it just that they had. achieved a very high level of. sophistication in technology that's very. different from the path that we took? >> Right. Totally. >> That's what I think. I think the path.

that they took involved immense stone. structures, cosmology. They probably. didn't have internal combustion engines. They probably had a completely different. kind of technology that we wouldn't even. think of because we went in this. internal combustion engine, plastic, microchip, electricity. We went into. that direction. Yeah. And they But you. could imagine. primitive man evolving to create. technology that's far different than the. way we went. >> Yeah. Do you think we might have cracked. that somewhere like in some deep black.

programs that we could have that they. wouldn't want to unleash that on society. because it could like [ __ ] up the. economic system or like collapse the. world? >> I know Jesse Michaels believes that. there's gravity technology that they. were researching in the 1960s and that. they had achieved some sort of. >> breakthrough propulsion system that is. probably a lot of what you see when you. see these uh UAPs and these crafts that. move in very strange ways. Yeah, >> that that makes sense to me. that make I. mean and again the idea that they. couldn't keep that secret. Shut the [ __ ].

up. Of course they could, right? Of. course they could. >> There's this lady Katherine Fitz who is. the uh she was the head of the. department of HUD under George Bush and. they brought her in uh after like the. mortgage crisis to like figure out how. to like restabilize the economy and what. the banks were doing and all this stuff. and she was looking at uh like missing. money and uh she found that there was. like when when she when she applied her. knowledge of mathematics and like what's.

going on with like the the federal. budget and where all the money's going, she said the most reasonable. explanation, you know how there's like. $21 trillion missing from the DoD. >> the day before 911, Donald Rums found. like there's like two two and a half. trillion dollars, whatever it was. Uh, now that's ballooned to like $21. trillion. And she thinks that, you know, well, pull up let's pull up the. spreadsheet, see where that money went. Oh, it's not on the receipt. I don't. know where it went. She thinks it went. to like black budget [ __ ] like.

military, black military technology, like anti-gravity. And she thinks that. Mr. global, whoever that is, the. bankers, the central bankers are. literally using all of that money and. funneling it into black projects to. create a breakaway civilization in case. there's like some sort of catastrophe on. Earth or something happens. >> Oh god. >> And like. >> where are they doing this? >> They're doing this at [ __ ] Lockheed. Martin. I have no idea. Underground or. something. >> maybe. Yeah. Oh yeah, that's another.

thing she says. She says there's a lot. of money that's going into building all. these underground underground bases, continuity of government, tunnel. systems, all this stuff. And I'm looking. at this, I'm like, she legit worked. under the Bush administration. She was. like a financial genius, >> right? But she could be a cook. >> She could be. >> Yeah. That's the problem when people are. super intelligent but also crazy. >> Yeah. >> You know, and also had a prominent. position in government but also crazy. >> Yeah. I guess there's a lot of really. intelligent people that are super crazy. And does she physically has she been to.

these places? Like how does she know. that they're real? >> Does she know has she talked to someone. that explained this breakaway. civilization thing or is it just a. theory? >> She's friends with the dude who wrote. the book that's titled swastikas scops. and saucers. >> What? >> What's that book about? how the Nazis. are controlling UFOs and and scops and. controlling the world and you know. playing the world like it's their. [ __ ] docu drama and and recreating.

reality and inventing all this crazy. off-world stuff and how Roswell was uh. Soviet Union crashing stuff here and. basically it's all Nazi black budget. stuff I think is like the the main point. that that guy. >> Do they dismiss the idea that we're. visited at all by something from. somewhere else? I mean, who what do you. mean who who like. >> these people that think that it's all. Nazi stuff and Soviet Union stuff? >> I don't think that they're saying it's. all that, but they're probably saying I. haven't read all his books, but I think. he's saying when he wrote that book, it.

was probably all Nazis, no aliens. But. now, I'm sure his points, his uh views. have evolved on it. >> That's part of the problem, too. It's. like, >> you know, when you see these reports, when whenever I see like a story that's. in the New York Times where the Pentagon. is admitting we have, you know, there's. been off-world crafts and all these. different things, and you get these. David Grush guys that are testifying. about that we've recovered crashed. vehicles. It's like, >> how much of that is a scop? >> I think most of it. >> I think a lot of it. Yeah. I I don't.

even know if it's if they know it's a. SCOP, but if I was the government and I. was working on top secret propulsion. systems, the first thing I would do is. spread a bunch of fake rumors about. UFOs. >> Yes. >> This is how we can't explain it. We. don't know. We're being visited. They're. super intelligent. We don't know where. they're from. We don't know how they're. doing this. >> Y. >> and then you have an explanation for why. these people are seeing these things in. the sky when it's really just your [ __ ]. that you're flying around. Mh. >> But yet, if you listen to Jock Valet and. you read any of his books, he's got.

these stories that people were telling. from the 1700s in the 1800s that mirror. almost exactly the experiences that. people are having today. >> Mhm. >> That's where it gets weird because, okay, now you're predating any. possibility of this being modern. technology, you know, that is just. hidden and tucked away. They couldn't. have done that in the 1700s. There's. there were. >> no way. They didn't even have airplanes. yet. Right. Okay. Right. >> So, if we admit that, >> then we have to go, okay, well, what. what's going on then? Are we is there.

something else here that's here that's. been here forever like some people. think, or are we looking at something. that's visiting us and keeping an eye on. us from somewhere else? >> That's where it's fun. That part, that's. the fun one. >> The fun one is not that it's ours. The. fun one is that we're being visited. >> Yeah. Like, and are we being visited or. do they just live under the oceans, right? >> You know, like have they been here. [ __ ] forever? And like, you know, there's this case, uh, Richard Dolan. came on my show recently and he was. telling me, he wrote this new book about.

all the underwater cases ever documented. of underwater UFOs, UFOs. And there's. one from like the early 1700s where. there was this like ship sailing across. the Pacific and this giant. glowing orb came out of the ocean and. these sailors all wrote about it. how. this this massive like football. stadiumsiz glowing orb came up out of. the ocean and like flew away and you. know like if we've how much of the ocean. have we explored like how very small.

>> very small amount we've explor the moon. I think. >> and it would be the perfect base if you. wanted to come here and observe human. beings without them being able to see. what's going on that's the best place to. hide. >> because no one's going there they don't. have the capability of going there you. know we have submarines but I mean how. what do the sub I mean if the submarines. see things do they tell Yeah. >> Like if the submarine saw a UFO. underwater, would they have a press. conference? >> Right. Exactly. >> We know about the nuclear bases above. ground because those guys have come out. and talked about it. But like. >> all of the nuclear submarines that are.

patrolling the oceans at all times like. right off of our coast off both coasts. Like if they're carrying multiple. nuclear warheads, I'm sure they're. seeing something or they're detecting. something there. >> Well, there's this one video of. something that was moving 500 knots. under the water like this this thing. that like flew by their camera. They. don't. >> on the sub. >> Yeah, it was I I forget where it was. being recorded, but it was a video of. something that was like a beam of light. that shot through the screen. Like you.

could see it moving underwater at this. insane rate of speed with. >> no ripples, no disruption of the water, just moving through the water. >> Yeah. >> And then there's these trans medium. videos, these videos of these things. flying. and they go into the water with. no splash, no nothing. >> and they don't lose any momentum. >> Yeah. I think the best evidence that. those things have been here forever is. probably like ancient stories, biblical. story like aliens and or like angels and. demon stuff like. >> like before the Yeah, Ezekiel too,

right? >> Ezekiel in the Bible. That that story is. nuts. The wheel within a wheel. The way. he's describing like what are you. seeing? >> Right. >> And imagine there's you've no context. >> Yeah. Yeah, >> imagine seeing something that's. floating, some geometric pattern that's. hovering in the sky above your head and. emitting light and trying to explain. this and then also going back and trying. to remember exactly what you saw because. you're probably freaking the [ __ ] out. You really do have some sort of an. encounter with some orb that's flying in.

the sky. How do you even describe it? >> What context do you put it in? Do you. describe it as an alien? Do you describe. it as an angel? Do do you think it's. God? Like, what do you think it is? >> Right? Or is it drugs? Does drugs are. drugs playing a role in drugs play a. part of it? >> Well, then there's like James Fox's. Alien from the Varia film which smelled. like sulfur, >> right? >> And there's biblical accounts of demons. smelling like sulfur and having cloven. feet. So did that exactly describes that. being in James' documentary, >> right? >> The hospital smelled like sulfur for. like a week after they said. >> and the guy who was handling it died of.

a horrible infection. This is all all. documented. The guy who picked up the. alien, put it in his squad car, took it. to a hospital. That hospital wouldn't. deal with it. took it to another. hospital that and then that guy dies of. a horrible bacterial infection that they. can't cure with antibiotics. >> Yeah, it's [ __ ] nuts, dude. >> [ __ ] nuts. And then the all the. people, the eyewitnesses that were there. that saw the thing and when he brings. the police officer to the site of the. crash, the officer starts weeping. uncontrollably, >> recounting the story. Unless that guy's.

the greatest actor of all time, like. what is going on there? >> There's a story where he walked up to. the guy's house and the guy like pulled. a gun on him. He's like, "If you guys. come any closer, I'm shooting you.". Yeah. >> Yeah. It's weird [ __ ] though. >> It's weird, dude. And it's weird that. like everyone's trying to paint their. own narrative. There's different groups. competing on like how they want to paint. the UFO thing, right? You have like. different camps of people like in the. government or in media. I don't know. what the difference is. >> And there's guys like you and I that are. basically useful idiots. Exactly. They. come on our podcast, talk a lot of [ __ ].

and we go, I don't know. >> Figure it out, folks. >> Yeah, we're feds. We're feds. We got the. Palanteer Honey Trap over here. >> Like, what is that thing? That thing's. all filled with Pegasus. >> Palunteer, bro. >> They're they're reading every single one. of your little jot downs that you put on. that. >> Yeah. Who knows? But if you did have. some sort of like infinitely superior. technology and you've had it for a long. time, when do you if ever let the public. know? And how do you do that? What do if. you're the guy, right? Like how many I. don't know how many people know all the.

secrets, right? Okay. If there is a. handful of dudes, how do you go about. living your life when you're that dude. and when you know like [ __ ] that can. change. the face of humanity forever? How do you. go home to your wife and kids? Right. Is. it like are you living in that show uh. what's the show where they go up in the. elevator and it wipes their mind? >> Oh, severance. >> Severance. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is it like. that? Do they have real life severance? >> I don't think so. No, I think they just. rely on these people being secret. And. you know, there's the thing about Bob. Lazar story. You know, Bob Lazar lost.

his job because his wife was cheating on. him. >> because his wife thought that, you know, see, he couldn't tell her what he was. doing. So, when he was flying off to S4, he would say, "I got to go to work." And. she's like, "At 11:00 at night on a. Friday, get the [ __ ] out of here." So, she starts [ __ ] this other guy. And. >> they were listening to his phone calls. So, they had his his phone tapped. And. because his wife was having an affair, he was deemed to be at a risk of being. emotionally unstable. >> So, they released him. And so, then he's. like, "This is bullshit." and he starts. telling people, "Hey, man, we're working.

on UFOs. They have a crashed UFO. I saw. it." They they fly it every Wednesday or. whatever it was. Come, I'll show you. >> And so he brings people out to the test. site where they can observe from one of. the mountains. >> and then he gets arrested. >> and then he goes public so that he. doesn't get killed. >> This is his justification of it all. >> Yeah. I used to think Bob Lazar was full. of [ __ ] but I've come around on it. I. don't think that anymore. after learning. more about all like the disinformation. and all the all the time and money they. put into just confusing people like the. Paul Benowit story you know.

>> uh I I think it's he would be the. perfect candidate candidate uh to. recruit just because of his background. like you know his first wife committed. suicide he ran a brothel. >> he was a nut. >> he was a nutcase dude perfect person. he's perfectly they they could deny him. so easily like look at this dude's. background you think we would hire this. dude. >> and also a legitimate genius. >> right. >> I mean the guy put a rocket engine on a. Honda Wow. >> In like 1985. >> Yeah. >> He was a nut. He converted his Corvette.

to a hydrogen engine. >> Yeah. >> In like, you know, I think it was the. '9s he did that. He had a. hydrogen-powered Corvette that he. engineered himself. >> See if you can find Bob Lazar's. hydrogen-powered Corvette. He was a nut. >> Yeah. >> You know, but he doesn't seem like a. liar. And the podcast obviously it. resonates with people because I think. the podcast I had with him on YouTube is. the most viewed podcast that we've ever. had including Donald Trump. >> Really? >> Is that true Jamie? No. Who's number.

one? >> Donald Donnie beat him. >> Who's number one? >> First Elon. >> Elon. First Elon's number one. >> Okay. >> Um that was the one when he smoked weed. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. >> Smoking weed really took it over the. top. >> That was a good That was a good moment. >> Do you smoke on all podcasts? >> No. >> No. Just certain ones. Just certain. >> Yeah. So, this is Bob Lazar's. hydrogen-powered Corvette. >> That's amazing. >> What a [ __ ] kook. >> It's beautiful. I love it. >> What a kook. I mean, who [ __ ] did. that? This guy created a. hydrogen-powered Corvette. And that's an. old ass Corvette, too. That's a shitty. one in the '90s.

>> If you're throwing [ __ ] at the wall. trying to figure out a new way to move. [ __ ] planes that you might as well. find people like this to. >> homemade hydrogen-powered Corvette. Look. at this. Play it. Go full screen. >> Oh, this is way throwback. >> Yeah, I don't hear anything. I just read. it. >> tank. When the tank's heated, it. produces hydrogen and the car burns it. So, there's never much gaseous hydrogen. in the system at any given time. >> Wow. So, these are the these are the fuel.

lines. No, what are these? Those are. >> these are the you can't see what they're. looking at for there. Actually, >> the heater in the tank and also reads. back the temperature of the tank. >> Why is that important? Well, when you. apply heat to hydride, it releases. hydrogen. So, as power is applied to. here, it heats the hydide, right? >> And then the gas comes out, >> the big hoses on the end. >> They have four hoses. Do they all mix. into one big hose or something? >> Didn't he like hang out with Ed Teller.

or talk to Edy? >> I don't know. >> At a certain rate with a certain. temperature and a single tank, you can't. get it out at the volume you need. So, >> so this guy was a legitimate genius and. a propulsion expert and that's why they. brought him in to say, "How does this. work?". >> And that story, he's told the same story. for, you know, whatever it is now, 50. plus years or 40 years. >> Yeah. >> What is What year was it? >> And there's a good reason, I think, uh, >> 85. So, 40 years.

>> somewhere around 85. >> The biggest argument against him is the. is the, uh, MIT stuff, right? that. But. there's something that I'm sure. >> but the MIT thing though, like look, if. you're working at Los Alamos Labs and. you're working on top secret stuff for. the government, it's not inconceivable. that you would be educated at MIT and. there wouldn't be a record of it. >> Especially if you're working on. something that's like really devious. [ __ ]. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'll tell you what he told me off. the air. >> You will? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> God, I can't [ __ ] wait. >> Yeah. As soon as we're done, we'll wrap. this up. I'm kidding. But no, I wanted.

to like like the stuff and the stuff. like the the like the thing that is so. astonishing to me is like all of the. brightest minds and unlimited money have. gone to more and more ways to figure out. how to kill people. like like the during. Operation Paperclip during the time Bob. Lazar was at Los Alamos and and at uh S4. if he was at S4 or whatever was going on. there like and and that dude John von. Noman who was the mathematician who was. uh he he was in he came up with the.

equation to who and who by the way was. like the most brilliant mathematical. mind of our of in American history came. up with the the equation of the perfect. altitude to detonate Fat Man and Little. Boy to kill the most people, which is. like you're using this [ __ ] intellect. to do these kinds of things. >> And. now there's a $21 trillion black hole in. the DoD. Like,

imagine what they could have what they. could have. They could have something. that's probably I mean. >> going way out on a limb conjecture. obviously I don't [ __ ] know but like. my my conspiracy mind wants to go to. like oh my god they have like another. whole military air force navy that is. disconnected from America that is. probably more powerful than every other. country combined. that could just you know t take over the. world in an instant but can't they. already wipe each other out? I mean the. the whole world has nuclear weapons.

There's nuclear weapons in how many. different countries? Yeah, they all. launched them simultaneously. There's no. life left on Earth. >> What what I'm saying with the 21. trillion, they could have some [ __ ]. weapon that would render a nuke. completely irrelevant, you know, if they. do have anti-gravity. And if they have. figured out some of this crazy. parasychology stuff, the psionic stuff. with the UFOs and like the mind. interfacing, uh, you know, all this just. kooky stuff that you want to eas you. want to dismiss, but 21 trillion, if. they were if they were spending.

>> $50 on Stargate. and they they thought it was worth some. sort of intelligence to spy on the. Russians, like, how much money would. they keep throwing at something if there. was just a shred threat of possibility. that it could work. And if there was. evidence that like this works 3% of the. time and we spent a million dollars on. it, let's spend a trillion dollars on it. and see how much more advanced we can. get and see how much more control and do. world domination we can get. And. >> one of the things Lazar said about the.

craft that he was the sport model, which. is that thing on the desk, that's the. the copy of it. >> Um, one of the things that he said about. it was that there was no controls. >> when you sit inside the thing. There's. no. >> there's no joystick. There's no steering. wheel. >> So, you use your mind. >> Yeah. >> There was probably some I mean, that's. probably what we're getting to anyway. We're kind of close to that with phones. now. Yeah. >> Right. Like, how many times do you text. where you don't even text, you just. press the button and say, you know, text.

Danny, say this, >> and it just says it for you. Or, you. know, how old is Barbara Stryand? And. and it just it gives you an instant. information. You're talking to it all. the time. And what's next? Well, you think it. does. And then as technology scales. further and further more advanced, you're going to get to a point where you. can move your car with your mind. And. then when you have spacecraft, of. course, it would be the same sort of. technology. You would use technology to. move the craft with your mind. You know,

they already have these interfaces with. uh fighter pilots where where you look. is where the crosshair shows up. So. instead of having to like move a. crosshair with like a like Yeah. >> You know, like if you're playing a video. game and you're moving the mouse, you're. moving the crosshair to the side. Or if. you're using a Xbox controller, you're. moving that crosshair to where you want. to hit, right? >> The crosshair goes where their eyes go. >> So you're wearing this thing that knows. where you're looking. And they already.

have this kind of technology with. virtual reality. They have this. technology with uh. >> these meta glasses that they're. developing. So they can while you're. while you have this helmet on. This. helmet is not simply a thing that. protects your head. It's an electronic. interface with a guidance system and. where your eyes look the crosshairs go. >> Yo, did you see the LLM stuff trying to. get soldiers to leave the battlefield. in uh the Russia Ukraine war?

>> No. They're using LLM to and they're and. the Russians are like hacking the. Ukrainians phones with LLMs, reading. everything on their phone, seeing how. they communicate with their family and. using LLM to send messages to their. phones of like their family trying to. get them to lay down their weapons and. leave the war. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. Like where does that end up? Well, that's what gets real weird because if. you get if AI starts controlling all the. war systems and it just has a goal and. it doesn't have any ethics or morals or.

any concern about life or death. It just. has a it has a directive like I want you. to accomplish this, take control of the. resources and dumbass. Do this, do that, whatever it is. >> It just does it the most effective way. possible which can be unbelievably. brutal. >> Yeah. And then like even [ __ ] like. telepathy or like being able to. communicate without words. >> Well, Elon says that's 100% the goal of. Neuralink. >> Are you optimistic about that? >> I'm not optimistic or pessimistic. It's.

I think it's inevitable. >> Yeah. >> I think we're we're looking at what we. have now as normal because it's become. normal to carry around a phone with you. everywhere. It's become normal to have. an Apple Watch on and get all your text. messages on your your wrist. >> It's become normal. And I think it's. it'll become normal to be interfaced. with the great hive mind. I think we're. all going to be connected with some new. technology. The same way we're all. connected with social media and email. and FaceTime videos and all that [ __ ]. that we are now, WhatsApp messages,

>> we're all going to be connected with. something that's far more. technologically advanced and it'll. become normal just like this is normal. I just hope like if it does get there, when it does get there, that we can. overcome. this sort of. place that we've reached with social. media where people are just like. spatting out whatever comes to their to. the front of their mind at any given. moment or like just like rage impulse. and and fighting where there's no. there's no filter which I think has just.

created more and more division and m. miscommunication. >> Oh yeah. Like if you're if if me and you. are just talking and we're communicating. our minds back and forth, >> right? >> I don't know how your mind works, but my. mind is like a constant hornets nest of. [ __ ] ideas just bouncing around. everywhere. Yeah. >> Right. So, if you can read my mind, you're going to be so goddamn confused. and there's probably going to be [ __ ] in. there you don't I don't want you to. know. And it's like I like to the. writing process, right? Like when you. write, you know about writing more than. anyone. When you write something and you. try to like. >> distill an idea down to like the most.

profi precise form to communicate it. accurately to the audience, right? Like. you go through so many revisions and. refi and you revise and you refine until. you get it perfect so you can. communicate that message to your. audience. But if it's just if it's just. a direct stream of consciousness. unedited, I can't imagine that would be. a good thing, you know, unless you're. like some some meditative yogi that like. has a really editorialized stream of. consciousness, which I don't. >> Well, maybe instead of just having.

access to all your thoughts, maybe it's. just simply what you're trying to. communicate about your thoughts. Maybe. it won't be as simple as we all have. access to each other's minds. Maybe. it'll just be much more you'll be able. to purely transmit your feelings and. your ideas without the context of a. language. >> Or maybe we'll have to develop some sort. of universal language. Yeah. Which would. be, you know, the tab tower of Babel, >> you know, and I' I've made that.

connection. I made that connection last. night, I think, about Christ. Like. Christ was of a virgin birth. Like. what's more of a virgin birth than. sentient super intelligence from AI? >> Yeah. Yeah, >> if that becomes a being that is. essentially a god and is given birth by. a virgin mother. I mean, that's the. story of Christ. >> It's just it's just confusing. It's just. confusing if you translate it over and. over over time. But if Christ is. supposed to return, >> that would be a way something like a god. would return. It would return through. artificial intelligence. If it just.

emerged out of our creation and our. insatiable desire to make new and better. things. >> Yeah. No, that that that makes a lot of. sense. >> Like why else do we have this insane. desire to have new and improved things. >> because like isn't your phone good. enough? Like I have a a Samsung Galaxy. S25 Ultra and I have an iPhone 16. They're good. They're good enough. They. don't You don't need to make a better. one. >> Have you seen Westworld on HBO? >> Uh-huh. Yeah. >> One of my favorite. >> Season one is [ __ ] amazing. It's the.

best. >> Got a little squirrely in season two. >> It is. Season two and three. Yeah. Got a. little squirly for sure. But like one of. my favorite lines in that is when he's. when um Ford is talking to Bernard and. or not Bernard, one of the ladies, one. of the robots, and he's like explaining. the the human psyche and he's like all. of the greatest achievements of. humanity, the the Eiffel Tower, the. statue of David, the Mona Lisa, all just elaborate an elaborate mating. call. It's all peacock feathers. Ooh,

>> it's all just this desire to procreate. >> and to, you know, it's it's that really. got me [ __ ] thinking and it's like, is that what drives human beings to do. things and for to create new things and. new art? I always thought it was sex, but I I think it might be that combined. with the fear of death because we we. want to live forever and we want we want. to have a symbolic immortality. We want. to leave something behind after we die.

>> It might not just be sex. It might just. be social recognition. Yeah. Status. >> Yeah. >> You know, you want to be adored as a. genius. >> Yeah. And there's also that painting. that on the Systeine Chapel, the. creation of Adam, which is also in that. movie where it shows God creating Adam. and all the angels and he's sitting. inside of the perfect anatomical. illustration of a human brain. If you. look at it, >> can you find that, Jamie? >> Yeah, pull up the creation of Adam and.

it's got like the prefrontal cortex, the. brain stem, the visual cortex. It's all. there. And he's creating Adam. And like. the point he makes in the movie is like. >> the divine gift does not come from a. higher power, but from the human mind. >> That's bananas. Let me see that other image that you. just had of the two of them below it. No, I'm sorry. Go back to that one and. then go below it. The one that you just. had. um. >> with the brain. >> with the one where shot the brain. Yeah,

the bottom right. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, >> look at that. >> That's weird, man. It is weird, isn't. it? >> It's pretty close. And it's also that. that is, you know, the eye of Horus. >> Um when you look at the side section, a. cross-section of the um pineal gland, it. looks exactly like that. >> This weird symbology. >> What looks just like that? the um the. eye of Horus from ancient Egyptian. >> Um.

go to uh so that gland when you see it. at the bottom go to the eye of Horus. Go. uh pineal gland eye of Horus. >> Take out the cyine chapel. >> Yeah, there it is. So that's what the. eye of Horus looks like. It looks. exactly like the pineal gland. It's the. same shape. There's a lot of weirdness, man, that. ancient art. Like, what were they trying. to say? >> Like, what were they trying to document?

>> It's funny. The people who like don't. believe Jesus existed, they'll make the. argument like, "Imagine 2,000 years from. now that uh people wanted to say that. there was this mythical divine person. and he existed because we know there's. this divine trilogy called the Lord of. the Rings and his name was Gandalf and. he came from the center of the earth. But it's like no other no nothing else. corroborates it. >> But you know I don't know. I think Jesus. was a real person.

>> It seems like it was a real person. >> Yeah. >> The question is like what really. happened, >> right? >> And the whole coming back from the dead. thing is like what was that all about? >> Right. Yeah. I don't think that's real. >> Well, it doesn't make any sense. But. >> right. >> neither does the birth of the universe. from something smaller than the head of. a pin. That doesn't make any sense. either. >> Yeah. But if you, you know, if this one. unique moment in time that God did send. us his son to try to like sort things. out and we wind up killing him, >> he died for our sins, >> you know, like.

>> would that be any weirder than super. massive black holes? Would that be any. weirder than most of the stuff that we. know is real? >> And how do you reconcile that with the. simulation? You know, >> I don't know. I mean, it might be part. of the whole weirdness of this whole. thing is that we have mythology. Part of. the weirdness of the simulation of the. simulation might be that we have this. fantastical mythology that you sort of. have to suspend disbelief and accept. >> Mhm. >> It's part of this whole weirdness that. we have where we're susceptible to.

ideological belief systems like cults, >> you know, like political ideologies. We're essentially just like cults. You. know, when you're on the right and. you're, you know, right with everything. and you know, you're all MAGA or if. you're on the left, you're blue no. matter who, you're in a cult. You're in. a cult. People get into cults. And why. is that? Like, why is that a part of if. we are in a simulation? Why are we so. malleable? Is it because we recognize it. and we're supposed to oppose it and.

we're supposed to fight the instinct. that we all deeply have embedded in our. system, but we also know is wrong. Like. what is it about these systems? Like why. is that in place? Is this simply a just. an ancient relic of our tribal past. where you had to follow the rules of the. tribe in order to survive and so it was. instilled in people in the psyche and. that's how we developed or is there. something more to it? Is it like part of. the mechanism that allows us to resist. which allows us to innovate which. encourages us to push forward and ask.

more questions because we know there's a. lot of [ __ ] Like the reason why. people ask so many questions now in 2025. as opposed to 2019 is because of co. because we went through so much [ __ ]. and propaganda. We were so gaslit by the. government, by the CDC, by everybody. >> that now we question way more. So it's. probably benefited us somewhat to go. through that. >> Yeah. When Mary was on here, did she. tell you about Kevin McCirin? >> Refresh my memory.

>> He was the dude who worked for the human. genome project. It's like a DNA wizard. He like he basically he was working for. the human genome project trying to. figure out different sort of medical. treatments for cancers based on your. genome. >> So like they could target a specific. type of leukemia in you and they would. take your DNA and they would like. basically make designer drugs to to. target that cancer and to kill that. cancer. And during the pandemic, uh, somebody. sent him four unopened vials of the.

Fiser vaccine and he analyzed them and. ran them through all of his processing. systems, whatever, whatever the [ __ ] he. does, and he found out there was uh, DNA. plasmid contamination in them, which. were like promoters of this SB40 [ __ ]. >> I did hear about that. Yeah, I talked to. uh Brett Weinstein about that. >> and he was explaining that when they. first um were sequencing certain. vaccines, they you know because with the. vaccine you have to use living cells in.

order to create these antibodies. initially. >> Yeah. >> And when he's. >> for traditional vaccines, right? >> Right. Yeah. And so when they started. using these things, they were using. kidney cells of these monkeys. >> and they didn't understand that these. monkeys had this SV40 Simeon virus 40, right? >> And that this when introduced into human. cells causes tumors. Yep. Causes cancer. like rampant cancer. You see the uptick. of cancer and everyone else like bury. their head in the sand and pretend that.

it didn't happen. But. >> people that took the vaccine are getting. [ __ ] cancer at an astounding rate. >> Yeah. And this and Kevin was was telling. me that he was doing study. He pulled. some tumors from some people that died. somewhere in Europe. Um, and he was. studying sequencing the tumors of these. people that died um with the vaccine. And he said that the the SV40 was in the. tumors and some I don't know I don't. remember the science. I'd have to go. back and listen to it. By the way, that. episode got pulled off YouTube. >> really. >> off my channel. I got a strike for it.

>> What did they say? >> Medical misinformation. >> What part of it's medical. misinformation? >> The whole thing. We talked about. vaccines and we talked about. >> What year was this? >> This was like uh November of last year. >> Whoa. >> Yeah. >> I wonder if you could put it up now. because they seem to lighten up, didn't. they? They changed their their. regulations recently. >> Did they? >> Yeah, they changed their guidelines. >> That's the problem with this [ __ ] dude. I'm like I'm so afraid to talk about. [ __ ] I want to talk about.

>> I know. Isn't that [ __ ] up? >> It's like It sucks, dude. It it sucks. because there's no way to know who's. telling the truth unless you let people. say crazy [ __ ] and then have someone. come on refute it and then have the two. of them get together and debate it, >> right? >> You know, and then even then sometimes. you don't know like with this Flint. Dibble Graham Hancock thing. >> Yeah. >> You know, if it wasn't for Dan Richards, we wouldn't know that a lot of the. things that Flint Dibble said were just. absolutely not true, >> right? >> YouTube loosens rules guiding moderation. of videos. Yeah. So um. favor freedom of expression over the.

risk of harm in deciding what to take. down. So specifically, scroll down to. what they said, what the the actual. policy shift, which hasn't publicly. disclosed. >> U. what does it say? Public statements. What is they used language that I. thought was uh. >> they don't make public statements. They. broad brush it. They don't give you an. exact reason. They just say, "Oh, this. falls into this category." Like there's. no jury at YouTube. They're just like. they find the most excusable reason to. >> go back to where you were. Go back to.

where you were. Recognizing the. definition of public interest is always. evolving, we update our guidelines for. these exceptions to reflect the new. types of discussions we see on our. platform today. Our goal remains the. same to protect free expression on. YouTube while mitigating egregious harm. So, you know, they could still, but the. thing is like they're controlled by. their advertisers to a certain extent. And. >> I don't buy that [ __ ] dude. >> What do you mean? They get funds from. the advertisers. >> They're Google though. They [ __ ] own. advertising. Like you're you're going to. tell me like some company is going to go.

to go to Google and say, "Listen, bro, we're not going to advertise you with. you unless you take that guy's video. down.". >> No, I think pharmaceutical drug. companies have influence. And I think if. you're getting an enormous percentage of. your advertising revenue from. pharmaceutical drug companies, which. Cali means has said the reason why they. do that is not to promote their drugs, it's to stop criticism. And this is why. they promote this is why brought to you. by Fizer. Anderson Cooper brought to you. by Fizer. Why the what that is for is to. make sure that they never criticize.

Fizer. >> Sure. I understand that. >> And it works right. >> for for cable TV. Yeah. But for like. YouTube has a monopoly on advertising. Google does at least. I could I mean I. guess I could see it but like you know. they got [ __ ] trillions of dollars. I. >> So it says YouTube's ad apocalypse and. the gatekeeping of cultural content on. digital platforms. This is how it all. started. 2017 advertiser revolt on. YouTube popularly known as the ad. apocalypse. introduce widespread and. radical changes on the platform's policy.

related to moderation and content, >> their monetiz monetizability and the. terms of the relationship between the. creators and the platform. >> And these changes in turn have caused. significant discontent within the. creator community while also gradually. transforming the predominant nature of. the content on the platform. So they did. do it. They did it by cutting the ads. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's it's dirty business, man. And. they're they're doing it because they. don't want people finding out certain. things that are actually true. And.

that's what they did during the. pandemic. And that's what the FBI tried. to do when they they were banning people. like Jay Badacharia and prominent. scientists and like legitimate. academics. >> But then I I'll have like UF thing will. happen to videos I do about UFOs. Like. the same thing will happen not taken. down, but you know how [ __ ] will get. like buried where you can't search for. it. >> Oh yeah. >> Me and Jesse were talking about this. This happened to Jesse too with with. Grush where he was like was like the. number one video on Grush and all of a. sudden you can't search it. >> Like stuff like that. I mean the the co. one was the first one I actually had.

taken down. >> Um which was scary and it it makes me. think about that. I hate the fact that I. actually have to think about whether I'm. going to get the axe. I know. >> based on the topic I'm discussing like. where like I don't know if that leads. that doesn't lead to a good place as far. as journalism goes because journalism is. supposed to be shining light on the dark. places that people don't want them. shined and it's supposed to piss people. off. >> especially when you consider that a lot. of the things that you used to be taken. down for are now confirmed like the lab.

leak theory that used to get you kicked. off of YouTube saying masks don't work. that would get you kicked off of YouTube. like all these things that we now know. to be true that the the vaccine does not. stop infection. >> that would get you kicked off YouTube. All these things that we now know are. 100% fact and it's all orchestrated by. financial interests. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. The um the SP40 stuff is is wicked. freaky, dude. It's wicked freaky like. with the with the cancer and how you. know it goes all the way back to the h. the the early days in the 60s or the.

early 50s and 60s in New Orleans. >> how they were working uh trying to. develop the polio vaccine with Alton. Ashner. >> at two university and trying to. weaponize some sort of a there's a. theory based on that book Mary's monkey. where they were growing the polio. vaccines on the monkey kidneys and using. this to also create boweapons to. assassinate people like Castro. And that's apparently what according to. that book what uh um Lee Harvey Oswald.

was doing with that lady Mary Sherman. and they were using that lac machine to. try to like supercharge the SV40 to make. it more deadly. >> Oh my god. >> To induce cancer with people. >> Jesus. >> Yeah. And then. oh god that like the the event that. cutter event where Alton in injected his. two grandkids with the polio vaccine in. front of the whole auditorium of. students and uh his granddaughter lived. was paralyzed but his grandson died the. next day. >> right after they did that. Jesus.

>> and they were like there's people. pushing back like don't do this. We. tested this on monkeys and like half of. them are dead. Let's not push this out. I think it was the sulk vaccine, the. sulk polio vaccine, >> and then they [ __ ] did it anyways. >> Yeah. Well, I think you got to be able. to talk about this stuff. Even if you. get get it wrong, >> and even if someone comes on, they say. things that can be refuted. >> Yeah. Refute it then. That's the whole. point of all this. Yeah. >> If someone comes on and says something. that's not correct. Oh, but it stays. >> No, excuse me. >> Bless you.

>> Thank you. If someone comes on and says. something that's not correct, like have. someone on that refutes it. Figure it. out. this. You have to be able to talk. about stuff. >> and some of it's fun. >> Yeah, >> it's fun. >> It's all super fun. >> It is, right? >> Yeah. >> How'd you get started? >> Well, I didn't I obviously didn't always. do podcasts, but I I was originally I. always wanted to make movies when I was. >> used to call it concrete. Why was it. called? >> It was called concrete. So, okay, I'll. tell you. It was uh first of all, I. always wanted to make movies when I was. a little kid. I was telling Jamie the.

story earlier. I tried to go to full I. was going to go to full sale where Jamie. went in Florida in Orlando, but it was. just I didn't have the money to do it. and I couldn't get into UCF cuz my my. grades were [ __ ] in high school. So, luckily I got the opportunity to work on. this movie called Dolphin Tail. It was a. was a movie about a dolphin who got its. tail stuck in a crab trap and they and. Morgan Freeman came in and builded a. prosthetic tail and uh and it was. swimming around in the aquarium and. Carrie Kic Jr. and Morgan Freeman were. in it and it was like a big, you know,

uh, Warner Brothers movie. And I. realized working as a camera production. assistant on that movie. That was my. film school, but I realized I did not. want anything to do with making movies. because it was the closest thing I ever. experienced to work in construction. It. was like I was in charge of swapping the. ca the camera lenses, the camera. batteries, taking the SD cards back to. the media truck, getting everybody. breakfast and coffee. And these dudes, these camera department dudes, a lot of. them are really cool. Like the dude Pete. Sukarini who was the underwater. cinematographer who filmed all the. Pirates of the Caribbean movies. He was.

[ __ ] awesome. But a lot of the other. guys were like really unhappy, like. deeply unhappy because they never saw. their families. >> They were always on the road fac like. third fourth wives. >> facetiming their kids and it was like. you know they were like caries with. dental plans. >> They made great money but they were they. were [ __ ] deeply unhappy. So like I I. realized I didn't want to make movies. anymore. So, I started an advertising. company and uh making commercials and I. started doing like spec ads and like.

winning a bunch of contests to make. commercials. I won really uh one big. contest for Land Rover USA where we made. like a a free ad and they paid us to. make a bunch of other ads for them. And. then that's where concrete came in. So, I was it was called something else and I. got sued by some advertising company in. uh California saying, "Hey [ __ ] you. can't use this name anymore. Change your. name." So, my friend who owns a concrete. construction company said, "Bro, there's. this uh really cool website domain for. sale with concrete with a K." He's like, "It's like a couple thousand bucks. You.

want you should buy it." I was going to. buy it. I'm like, "Sure, [ __ ] yeah. Let's do it." So, I called my company. Concrete Stupid. And then, um, >> and how'd you start a podcast? >> So, so after the advertising stuff, I. started. I I met a bunch of people. I met Hulk. Hogan in the process of the whole. advertising thing because me and Hulk. live like five minutes from each other. and which is like five minutes from the. Church of Scientology which is great and. we started I started making a bunch of. commercials with him because he would. always have companies that would hit him.

up and say yo let's partner on this new. product. and uh one of them was a hosting company. called Hostamania. They wanted to make. Hulk the face of the company. And we. created this whole [ __ ] thing where. we, it was like right when Miley Cyrus. dropped the wrecking ball video and we. put Hulk on a wrecking ball. We're like, "Yo, Hulk, we want to put you on a. wrecking ball and have you freaking. dropkick Vanam, who's like the GoDaddy. guy, right?" And he's like, "Fuck yeah, brother. Let's do it. This is it.". It was actually, it was poor execution, but it was funny. And uh he's like,

"Brother, there's only one thing missing. from this commercial idea." I'm like, "What?" He's like, "I need to be in my. birthday suit." I was like, "What?". So, we did that and um then I started. working on a bunch of like show. This. was like the boom of reality shows when. like Duck Dynasty and Pawn Stars were. all taking off. So, I was like, I could. probably [ __ ] make a reality show. So, I hit up a bunch of my friends and. we started like uh touring around trying. to find people to come up with like TV.

show ideas and concepts. And I got a. couple people to invest in a couple TV. show ideas and pilots that I spent like. six years working on. And it was this. long process of shooting, editing, taking notes uh from production. companies that you know, you have to, you know, how this works, but you have. to like work with production companies. who already have relationships with. networks. >> Mhm. And they were like constantly. giving us notes like, "Okay, change this. for A&E, change this for Spike TV, and. we got to make sure it fits each network.

because we we're pitching these network. these show to all these networks." I was. like, "Okay, great." So, it was just. this roller coaster of emotions of like, "Oh my god, we're going to get we're. going to sell a TV show. We're going to. do a TV show." And then finally, we got. one of those shows to a greenlight. meeting at Spike TV or A&E. And like I was like, "This is it. We're. going to do it." and the CEO of ICOM. killed it because it did not fit their. roster of existing advertisers. And I. was just like so frustrated and fed up.

with it. I was like, "Fuck this. I'm. taking all this stuff that I've been. working on and I'm going to repackage. them and put them on YouTube.". And I did. And the first one that really. took off, got millions of views in like. 2015, was called Deckands. And it was. the story of these alcoholic dudes, these drunks that were hanging out in. front of 7-Eleven in this little sleepy. town called Madira Beach where I'm from. So me and my buddy Luke went up and we. started filming these guys and asking. them questions like, "Yo, what the [ __ ].

do you guys do here every day?" And. they're like, "We're [ __ ]. fishermanmen, bro. Come see how we. live." And one of these dudes took us. back to his boat he lived on. He had. this broken down boat in this old uh. dusty marina where it was the boat. didn't work, but he had he lived in this. boat and it had amplifiers stacked to. the ceiling. He had a stack of porno. DVDs like 6 feet tall, laser light. machines, fog machines, and he wore. these fairy wings and like an armor. helmet. And he would jam out to like Rob. Zombie on his guitar while playing the.

music videos on this big big projection. screen in his boat. And we're like, "This is [ __ ] the Twilight Zone, dude." And then they started telling us. more and more about like what they do. This is it. Yeah. This is the first. episode. The gates of hell. This is. Shane Lee. >> RIP. Um. so we're like we're asking these guys. about like what do you like you're. fishermanmen but like explain to me how. does this thing how does this work? And. they were all pissed off about oh we're. getting screwed by the boat owners and. these IFQs and we don't make any money.

And you know we're like dude there might. be a story here. So we started. interviewing more people. And we give. eventually interviewed the people who. own the boats and own the fish houses. So like MadiRaa Beach is the John's. Pass, Florida is the grouper capital of. the world. There's more grouper caught. there than anywhere in the world. And. the way it works is before 2007, there was a quota system where it was. like for red snapper, it was like 3.

million pounds per year are allowed to. be caught in this area, right? So it was. like derby fishing. So all the boats. would go out and they would catch as. much fish as they possibly could and. they would wait at the when they get. back from their trip and then they. would, you know, quantify that or or you. know tell the federal government this is. where we're at. And sometimes they would. reach that 3 million pound limit in like. October. So what do they have to do for. the rest of the year? They stop fishing. They can't do anything. So in 2007, the. federal government made a monopoly.

where they gave boat owners. an aotment of fishing quota per year. So. some guys got a £100,000, some guy's got. 200,000, which is if it's red snapper, that's a dollar a pound. So that's like. the best retirement plan known to man. The federal government is handing you. 200,000 pounds of red snapper quota per. year. And. then what happened was eventually the.

boat owners sold off their quota and now. it's become so discombobulated where now. like you can just buy this fishing quota. and trade it like stock. You don't have. to own a boat. You don't have to be a. fisherman. You can just be some dude. sitting in Manhattan in a high-rise and. buying and selling fishing quota. you're. not. And there's there are like fishing. communities in America like in the. Northeast where it doesn't work like. that where you have to have your hand on. the throttle. You have to take care of. your people and it's a lifestyle and.

it's like a a way to it's a culture. And. where in Madiraa Beach, at least when I. was there filming, it was they were all. just like carnese carney ride operators, you know, and these dudes were and the. the lowest level of this of this uh. fishing industry are those deck hands. those dudes like Shane Lee. and they're [ __ ] drug addicts. They're a lot of them are on hooked on. heroin. What that what happens is they. get home from fishing from 10 10 days of. fishing offshore and they get like four.

or $5,000 and they blow it all on. prostitutes and coke and hookers and. heroin and they just they're kids, dude. They're like kids. They're like kids. with money. >> And uh by the end by the time they run. out. >> they have to go fishing again. So. they're going to all the fish houses. saying, "Bro, let me go. Let me go. So. they go offshore again and they seahhab. where they rehab at sea for 10 days cuz. they have no more drugs. >> Wow. >> And they come back and then rinse and. repeat. And one of the one of the people.

uh that we interviewed, there was three. main characters in that in that series. There was Shane Lee, there was space, and there was Hollywood Kim. And. Hollywood Kim was the last episode, which was sometimes when I think I have. problems in my life, I remember her. story and realize I don't really know. what [ __ ] problems are. She uh was. from Alabama and when she was 17 years. old, she gave birth to her father's son. >> Oh god. >> And when she was 6 years old, she would. wake up every morning and ride her bike. to the beach to try to escape her dad.

And no one would believe her. >> Jesus Christ. >> She tried telling people. >> and no one would believe her because her. dad was a cop. Oh god. So she eventually gave birth to her son. and escaped to Florida and became a. deckhand working fishing and uh working. on these boats, dude. And she was just I. met her and she would wake up every. morning and just start slamming vodka. and looking for drugs and uh dude it was. just the Twilight Zone in my own.

backyard. >> Wow. >> It was nuts. And that that led to like. podcasts like so after that then we're. just like let's start doing podcasts in. between these documentaries you know. more content and then the podcast. started to get more views in the. documentaries and here we are. >> Well I'm glad it happened. You got a. great show man. >> Thanks bro. I appreciate it. >> I appreciate you coming on here man. It. was a lot of fun. >> Thank you. >> Let's do it again for sure. >> Hell yeah, bro. >> Uh Danny Jones show it is on YouTube. Are you on Spotify as well? >> Spotify. It's just Danny Jones on.

YouTube. >> and uh same with Instagram. >> It's an awesome show. Lots of fun stuff. on there. All right. >> Thanks, brother. >> Thank you. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].