Joe Rogan Experience #2348 - Lukas Nelson

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by. night. All day. We're up. Lucas, what's up? Hey, man. Good to talk to you, man. Thanks for. being here. Here. Yeah. I appreciate you having me. I got to tell you, you know, when I. heard Willie Nelson's kid plays music, there's a thing that you always do and I. I have to admit it. You do it like when. the son of a great man, you always.

assume, well, yeah, he's probably mediocre, you know what I. mean? And then you performed at. McConna's that charity function thing. and you [ __ ] killed it, man. You blew. me away. It was incredible. And I was like, "Wow." It was really cool to see, man. It was really exciting. It was really fun. You know, you were the highlight of the night, man. You really were. It's moments like. those where I started to gain.

confidence. You know, I'd have over the. years. I'd go out and play and I'd play my. songs that I've written and you know, I. get crowds that would do that, you know, and so that gave me the confidence to. keep going and it and and I first. started playing music in order to get. closer to my father. Oh wow. You know what I mean? So I I I he would. be gone all the time, right? and I'd be missing him. And uh. and so in order to get close to him, I.

figured I I need to speak the same. musical language. And uh and so I. learned Young. And I wrote a song Young. uh that's on the new album actually I. got. It's called You Were It. It's the. first song I ever wrote when I was 11. and and my dad loved it so much that he. covered it at the time and he put it out. on his album back in 2004. called It Always Will Be. That the album. was called It Always Will Be. And that. gave me the confidence at a young age.

Chris Kristofferson came up to me and. he's like, "Man, you don't have a choice. but to be a songwriter." And so I had. all this inspiration at a young age. Kind of like an athlete at a certain. point. You kind of have to look at like, oh well, if I have a talent at this, I. have oper like I have connections in the. industry. I need to work like I was going to go to. the Olympics on this because it's. something that I can do that will make. it so that I never have to rely on my. family or my father for anything,

right? You know, I my whole goal in life. is to discover who I am as an. individual. you know, is that a part of the difficulty of. growing up with an incredibly famous. father? I think the, you know, Victor Frankle. has a um a book, a very famous book. called Man's Search for Meaning. Uhhuh. And it's about Awitz and he was an Awitz. survivor and he wrote about what was the.

common denominator in terms of people. who persevered and survived in these. camps. and dignity and meaning were the common. denominators generally. And so finding. who you what you mean in this life to. yourself, it doesn't have to mean. anything to anyone else. And I think. that's where for me I've lived my whole. life trying to discover who I meant to. myself so that at the moment of my death. I can look back and say.

I did something that I enjoyed that was. meaningful that gave me a sense of. purpose. H yeah, the the there's a both. a blessing and a burden to uh being the. child of someone who's incredibly famous. at a thing that you're trying to do. Sure. You know, like there's. there's a lot of sons of athletes, for. instance, right, that live in their father's shadow, and. very few of them ever rise to the level.

that their father was at. Sure. I think for me, I was never trying. to be as great as him. I was only trying. to be close to him because more than. anything, my father's a great human. being. He's a well-rounded, kind, empathetic human. And I am I I'm truly. grateful to be his and my mother's son. Uh, you know, because I have a good. family. I'm lucky, you know, I you know, I have a good. good parent. So what I was trying to do.

was just be closer to him. And you know, as a little kid, you know, the best. thing my mom ever did was when I was. like earlier, I was probably five or six. years old and my brother had just passed. away not too uh long before this. actually. And I would cry every time my. dad would leave, you know, and my mom. sat me down one time and he said, "It. tears him apart when you cry like this. because he doesn't want to leave. He's. going out there. He's making people.

happy. He's giving people joy. And he's. doing what he came here on this earth to. do. And he's supporting this family. And. so the support that my mother had for. him at that moment, I never cried again. I was able to let go of that idea and. then just from that point on work. towards creating what would make me. happy in my life and give me the same. joy and then give and be able to take. care of a family hopefully. You know, my. one of my greatest sources of pride is. that I haven't had to ask my parents for.

anything. I bought my own house. I. bought my, you know, I I went and did. Stars Born and I got, you know, I mean, I I've been able to make myself. a living and I think that makes my. parents proud. It makes my dad proud and. that's what I've always wanted to do. That's been my whole my whole life is. want to make them proud, you know. That's awesome. Well, it's a great. motivation, you know, for sure when. especially when you have great parents. that that try to. I'm lucky in that way, you know, I know. a lot of people have broken homes and.

grew up and even. I caught dad at a good time. I mean, my. dad was 55 or so when he had me, you. know, and so. he had already been through a lot of his. demons and gotten through them and faced. them, you know, and was still going. through them at the time that I was. born. But he had come out of, you know, a life of habit and sort of. formed the ones that would take him at. that point to where he is now at 92. years old. Wow. And so I got a good. version of dad um you know who had grown.

since you know and so man you know I'm. the luckiest guy in the world. I feel. like I, you know, I was able to be. exposed to a lot of great music, a lot. of great mentors, you know, in my life. And. uh and I'm also lucky uh that I at at a. young age, I'm grateful to my younger. child to the myself as a young child for. having the wisdom to say, "All right, work hard now. Forget about parties. Forget about hanging out. Work hard.

eight hours, 10 hours a day. Practice. your guitar. Write all the time. Sing. all the time. So that when you get to a. certain point in life, you'll have. something to show for it, you know, something that you can leave behind. that's yours, you know. Yeah. That's awesome, man. That, you. know, that's what most people in this. life want. They want a purpose. Yeah. You know, they want something that means. something both to them and to other. people. Exactly. Yeah. It's hard to find. It's hard to find a purpose. You know, I.

I that is something that I've always had. growing up. And I think it's because I. was, you know, again, I'm grateful to that. younger kid. Sometimes I I feel like. he's wiser than I am now. You know, that. younger self is like almost. I'm, you know, I now and now that I'm. sober. I mean, I quit smoking weed. I. quit drinking. And you know, when did you do all that? Really around the pandemic. Yeah. But. that's usually when a lot of people. started. Yeah. I went the opposite way. I started.

meditating twice a day. You know, the. only thing I'll do now is mushrooms. every once in a while to check in with. myself and, you know, just kind of make. sure that I'm, you know, I feel like mushrooms is like. taking a nice goodole hose to your soul. and just kind of like, you know, Yeah. clean out all the [ __ ]. Clean out all the [ __ ] Like I feel. like, you know, they should be legal. Yeah. 100%. Really? If I could talk Trump into one. thing, that might be the one thing I, you know, I had this conversation with.

Paul Stamuts the other day. I love Paul. Stamuts. He's amazing. Yeah, he's great. I just saw him at the. uh Dead Show. Uh the Sphere show. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah. Have you been to his place? He invited. me to his place up there. It's supposed. to be amazing. I was just reading an email from him. today. Invited me to his place. That's awesome. Yeah, he's uh he's a prepper. He's ready. for the apocalypse. Yeah. Well, might be a good idea. I mean, maybe. I don't know. I think. we're going to be okay. I do too.

I do. I mean, I think the feeling that. we might not be okay though is a great. motivator. We should always be checking in with. ourselves and asking ourselves, are we. going too far to certain extremes? Yeah. Well, that was the part of the. conversation that we had, you know, we're like, is there a thing that could. really help the world? And it sounds so. cliche and hippie and and especially as. someone who's never done mushrooms, but I think that might be the thing, you. know, even if it's just like small. doses, just a little something to.

alleviate anxiety, bring people closer. together, make them understand that. there's more to life than conflict and. [ __ ] And most of your conflict is. [ __ ] Most of nonsense and most of. it's unnecessary. Yeah. My dad always says 99% of the. things you worry about never come true, you know, and it's just a matter of. Yeah. I mean, it is sort of a cliche. I. I read the uh the power of now, which is. echartole. when I was like 13.

I used I went to school next to a. Buddhist temple. And so I grew up with my dad teaching me. the Lord's prayer that I'd say every. night. And then I'd go to this Buddhist. temple and hang with these monks, you. know. Really? Yeah. Yeah. In Maui. I grew up part-time. in Austin. I was born in Austin. I was. in Maui. And so I. There's a Buddhist temple in Maui. A Buddhist temple right near where I was. going to school at the time. So after. school every day, I'd sit with these. monks. And just the vibe of that is is. powerful. The chanting, the energy.

around that, you know, the presence. though that they have. They're just, you. know, their whole goal obviously is to. just, you know, be purely present. Yeah. And u and so while that sounds. like a cliche, I I truly believe that. that's an important thing, you know, to. to let go of. the the the the battle of positive and. negative that in the mental space that's. all that exists is duality, you know. Well, to find a true path,

you have to avoid being pushed and. pulled in a bunch of directions that are. totally unnecessary. Yeah. And sometimes you get sort of. preoccupied or captivated by the push. and the pull of [ __ ]. Well, and we're. we're we there is a manipulation that. happens um on purpose. I have a song. called Turn Off the News and Build a. Garden. Do you ever hear that song? No, I haven't heard that one. You want me to play it for you? [ __ ] yeah. Yeah, play it. All right. This is a song called Turn.

Off the News and Build a Garden. And I. wrote it because. because it's great advice. Yeah. And I just I was just the new. cycle. I mean, there's there's a difference between. being informed and being constantly. captured by the. overwhelmed. Yes. Let's see. [Music]. Got a tune for all your listeners.

[Music]. I believe that every heart is kind. Some are just a little underused. [Music]. Hatred is a symptom of the times. Lost in these uneducated blues. I just want to love you while I can.

All these other thoughts have me. confused. I don't need to try to understand. [Music]. Maybe I'll turn off the [ __ ] news. Turn off the news and build a garden. Just my neighborhood and me. We might. feel a bit less hardened. We might feel. a bit more free. Turn off the news and.

raise the kids. Give them something to. believe in. Teach them how to be good. people. Give them hope that they can. see. Hope that they can see. [Music]. turn off the news and build a garden. with me. That's awesome. Yeah. So, I I you know, I I've always.

felt that way. And I think that there's. action. is so important. Being a part of your. community, being a part of decisions. that are made, I think that's huge. I. think local communities are really. important. I think local town meetings, understanding where you're going in. these, you know, and and and understanding where your. neighborhood is going and getting to. know your neighbors because it's really. hard to. it's hard to have any hatred when you.

understand and know your neighbor. You know what I mean? And you know the. people that are around you and know, you. know, and so I think that. yeah, that's kind of where I come from. I just think like, you know, it's. important to to get out there and and I. put my I usually try not to stand on. soap boxes, though, you know, man. I put. if I have something to say, I'll put it. in my music, you know, and I'll and I'll put it out. there, you know. Well, that's the best way to get it to. people anyway. Yeah. Look at Bob Dylan, Masters of War.

I mean, that's the military-industrial. complex right there. That's an. incredible song. pawn, only a pawn in. their game. Yeah. Is the history of. of racism and how that, you know, started as a pretty much a. controlled political ploy to get the. poor blacks and the poor whites to blame. each other for everything happening. You know, you ever hear Bill Hicks bit about the. news? I was just listening to Bill Hicks. That's so funny. He's got that great bit about the news.

like war, famine, disease, AIDS. You go. outside chirp chirp chirp chirp. Where. the [ __ ] is all this [ __ ] happening? I think Ted Turner's making this [ __ ] up. cuz his wife won't [ __ ] him. Well, I you know, look, I think it's out. there. I think it's always been out. there. But I think. the way to. combat it is to build strong local. community. Yeah. you know and and build uh you know. that's why I think regenerative.

regenerative farming is really important. and trying to and then you know voting. for people that will support local. agriculture and proper properly. grown food and prop you know like. sourced food and the these things are. very important you know. yeah that's certainly important for a. community if you know exactly where your. food's coming from. I think we're just so it's not you know. in the Bill Hicks it was just the news. But now I think the the real problem. that people have today is social media.

And uh you know. I never I very r if I post things I just. post them and then get out of there. I. don't read anything. And I very rarely. read social media anymore. And since. making that decision to kind of stay. away from it. I think occasionally I. have to dip in just to see what what's. because I'm a comedian. That's part of. the problem. Sure. You got to know. I need to know what people are doing. why why everyone's so mad? What's. happening? Mhm. But um there's too many people that are.

on it all day long and I think it's. poison. I really do. I think it's bad. for your mind. I think it it uh. generally attracts negativity. I think. most of the stuff that people post is. negative. and they're complaining all the time and. and then that gets into your mind and. that gets into your whatever you know. your your headset is your headsp space. and then you start thinking the way. these people are thinking and. I I like to be informed on what I'm. talking about. You know, I really do.

And that takes a lot of time. Yeah. It's not something that I can look at. something online that comes up and just. have an immediate opinion on. Sure. And I think that really I'm just like I. I don't know where I stand on half the. issues that are out there because I'm s. I'm I you know I see a lot of I have to. sift through most of the [ __ ] to. find it like. so really where it ends up happening is. is that by the time I get to the voting. booth I'm hoping that I'm properly. informed, you know.

Yeah, it's hard to be properly informed. because it's hard to know who's telling. the truth. It is. like if you pay attention to this big. beautiful bill that just got passed. Um, I've been trying to sort out what's real. and what's not, you know, and the real fear that people. have is Medicaid, right? The real fear. is that people are going to lose access. to healthcare. and um it's so but then there was this. just giant arrest where uh they found. billions of dollars of fraud and uh. hundreds of people were arrested, doctors, healthc care providers, you.

know about all that, right Jamie? You. saw that big arrest. It's, you know, I saw something, but you know, I just I. just don't know enough. Yeah, I don't know enough enough either. So, they're trying to eliminate fraud as. a part of this, right? But the consequences of that is like, well, okay, but is this going to affect. poor people? Is this going to affect. legitimate poor people that just need. help? And that's to me that's the most. important thing. National healthcare. fraud takedown results in 324 defendants. charged in connection with over 14.

billion 14.6 Six billion. in fraud. Wow. Largest Justice Department healthcare. fraud takedown in history. More than. doubles prior record of six billion. Wow. That's a government website, right? I don't know. You know, I just, you. know, I just don't know. And I don't. know enough. And I know that there's. probably more to the story than we're. seeing. Oh, yeah. For sure. Right. So, you know, that's kind of how like. controlled opposition works to, you.

know, you just sort of, you know, says Medicare Medicaid services also. announced successfully prevented over 4. billion from being paid in response to. false and fraudulent claims and that it. suspended or revoked the billing. privilege of 205 providers in the month. leading up to the takedown, civil. charges against 20 defendants for 14.2 2. million in alleged fraud as well as. civil settlements with over 106. defendants totaling in 34.3 million. Mhm. Yeah. Well, I'll have to do some research.

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features and network management details. I know this is the thing like I don't. want I don't want to waste my day going. through all that freaking out about. I do think it's important to know but at. the same time. what I what I do know is that there's a. lot of. marginalized. communities whether it's yeah. a class issue or it's a you know it it. just I just see that there's a lot of. people who don't have a lot of money who. are suffering and. for sure. and there's a pe a lot of people getting. caught in crossfire.

all over the world. and it's a humanitarian issue, you know. Yeah. And and I think, you know, and so, you know, I as a musician, I have a. responsibility to observe. I think as an. artist, I have a responsibility to. observe as a human as a human. Yeah. I think we all have a. responsibility to observe. And I also don't like to keep my opinion. resolute. I don't like to identify with my. opinion. Meaning like I'm not joining.

any teams here, you know. Great. I don't have any teams. I want to know. what what based on if I get conflicting. information, I have to make a decision on which one's. going to sway the decisions I make going. forward. You know, it's tough. It's not easy in. this world. It's really not easy. But. back in the day, in interestingly, I. think they had more of an ability to. manipulate us back in the day because we.

only had one or two sources of. information. Oh, no doubt. No doubt. Well, listen, as. confusing and as frustrating as social. media is and as dangerous as it is for. your psyche, it's better. It's better to have it than to not have. it because you don't have to listen to. it. You don't have to go on it. And. that's what I always tell people. Stay. off it. But it's there for you if you. need like when [ __ ] pops off in the. world, it's the best source of. information. I Google things all the. time and they're not there and then I'll.

go to X and they're there immediately. When something happens in the world, it's on X before it's on anywhere else. Well, there's a lot of platforms I'm. sure that Yeah. that that Google is. Yeah. own. But the thing is X is immediate, right? It's people that are on the ground and. people that are exper and independent. journalists use it more often than. anything else. That's interesting. And Substack. Yeah. I think that, you know, I think. the only thing that that I think I worry.

about with with that is that the. pendulum swings so far in either. direction in response to certain things. Sure. in response to perceived. censorship in one way then it becomes. the the instead of it being completely a. platform of opinions it you know then. censorship happens on that side with. dissenting opinions you know and so I. think that the censorship just continues. to be like okay well it it just goes. back and forth and so I I I have a hard.

time I have a hard time understanding. and that's why I don't really feel like. I have an ability to form proper opinion. on a lot of this [ __ ]. Well, that's an intelligent perspective. because the reality is so many people. that have really strong opinions aren't. informed. Well, that's the thing. And I see people. that die on certain hills and then you. know but with no ability to formulate. like that's why I'm a musician you know. that's why I do what I do here cuz I you. know all I do is you know I I heir on.

the side of compassion and I think you. know I'm compassionate for people who. are suffering. I you know I have. compassion for suffering. I I believe. that I believe that empathy can be. manipulated, but I don't believe that. it's I think it's a necessary emotion. Yes. For cooperation and human condition. That's a great way to put it, you know, because empathy can be manipulated. It can be manipulated through. psychological warfare. But I also. believe that it's an it's never a good.

idea to then. shut it off. Shut it off. 100%. Well said. Yeah. Yeah. That's a really good. and I also I will say this like I think. Throughout history, there have been examples where people. have put their faith in policy over. character. Yeah. And I think that's a mistake. I think the character of the person. implementing the policy is just as. important as the policy they represent. Yeah. Well, you know, and today nothing.

gets implemented. No, there's no policy. that gets drafted or implemented without. a lot of weird influence. influence from. money. It's always money. and I have no idea the depth of that. So, so where my where my you know where. my uh where my my truth lies in. compassion. Yeah. And in trying to reach the hearts of. people. and through music. Daryl Dave, do you. know Daryl Davis? Sure. I've had him on a couple times. Oh. my god. Yeah. He's great. He's amazing.

He's a hero of mine. Yeah. He's an amazing person. What a. fearless person to be able to go and sit. down with these people and change their. hearts. Yeah. Hundreds of them. Hundreds of them collecting. one. Let's tell people what he does. So Daryl is a musician and Daryl uh. through the course of his travels met it. start he told me the whole story. The. first guy he met he didn't really. believe him that the guy was actually in. the KKK. Daryl's a black man. And so. this guy pulls out his KKK membership. card or whatever the [ __ ] it is, right?

and uh he couldn't believe it and he's. like, "Well, you're not like the other. ones." And he's like, "Well, what do you. mean? Do you know everyone that's black? Like, what is this?" And so he becomes. friends with this guy, has dinner at his. house, and then the guy gives him over. the course of their friendship. Gives. him his robe and he says, "I quit, man. I'm I obviously what I'm doing is wrong. because you're my best friend, you know, like I I love you and so it can't be. true that the black man is my enemy if. you are such a cool person.". Yes. And humans must be allowed to grow.

Yes. You know, we we have to be we have to. allow people who have made mistakes in. their past. to. we have to suspend judgment enough to. allow that person to to grow. No question. Yeah. Because you have to understand like what. influences this was this guy subject to. that led him to join the KKK in the. first place. Yes. Like what was the community that he was. in? what what had be he been exposed to? Obviously, he had never been exposed to.

anybody like Daryl before he met him. So, he meets Daryl and then changes his. ways. Well, who knows if that guy grew. up with cool parents in a different. community, he would have been a. different person. 100%. We're products of how we we we are. brought up. Yes. For the most part, our life. experiences and what we've learned and. the paths we've taken. Yeah. And you know, and you know, there's a. lot of. there's a lot of that going on. I mean, I'm from Texas and I've toured the South. and I know how that is. And there's a. lot of people that grow up.

being indoctrinated. Uhhuh. And and and in with really not not good. ideas, right? But they don't know until they're able. to. That's what I was saying earlier. about, you know, that's what music does. I love. a great example. Paul Simon. played a show in South Africa just after. apartheid. He when he did the Graceand. album, right, he went down there and he.

worked with local African musicians and. created in my opinion one of the. greatest albums of all time. I mean with. Lady Smith Black Mambazo doing the. vocals on that. incred Vincent and. Guini, the the most incredible. musicians. And at the time that was a. culturally powerful thing because. there's a show online, you can watch it. There's there's a you should probably. pull it up. There's it's amazing. There's like Paul Simon playing for tens.

of thousands of black and white people. in right after a part tide ends or he. may even be during apartheid. And. they're all dancing and bobbing up and. down. It's the most joyful thing ever. Music is powerful. It can bring people. together. But because what it does is it. reaches everybody's heart and it cuts. through all the [ __ ] the mind. stuff, you know, and it and everyone can. relate to having their heart broken, you know. Maybe it happened for some at. a young age. Maybe it happened.

maybe maybe some people had their heart. broken at age four to the point where. they closed their hearts off nearly. completely. But even Darth Vader had a. little bit. him. You know what I mean? Darth Vader, no, everyone forgets that. Darth Vader. at the end of Star Wars. Yeah. redeemed himself. It's it's the Carl. Young, the archetype, right? The the. dark knight of the soul. And being able. to come through that. Yeah. and like and really like.

you know and and you can judge you can. not want to be around like I think Carl. Young actually talks about like there. are certain people and things that you. can't allow to exist because they're. dangers to everyone else but at the same. time you don't have to judge their. humanity. right. you just like it's like a wasp you have. to swat the wasp because it's going to. sting you but you know or or you know. however you feel about that you could. put it outside but you get it way, right? You know, but you don't. you don't call the wasp evil,

right? There there are people that have just. been corrupted for whatever reasons to. the point where you just need to remove. them from the situation. But I don't I. try not to have hatred towards that. I. just I just sort of understand that they. are where they are in their lives and. they they got there for some reason. Well, it's a cautionary tale for. everyone. Yeah. That that's the thing about. today's access to information is you. could see so many different cautionary. tales. You could see so many different. people that went down the absolute wrong.

road. Mhm. And you get to see them and you get to. shine a light on them in this very. strange time. You get to see like this. this is you could have been that person. Anybody could have been that person. We're all. we're we're we have so many. similarities. All of us do. And we have to recognize. that your unique situation in life, your. unique community, family, life. experiences, all the things you've gone. through that made you who you are today.

Mhm. Didn't have to be that way. You You. could have been in the worst. circumstances and there's people that. are in the worst circumstances and that. and they're a product of that. And. that's the the weirdness of life. There's not necessarily good and evil. There's good and evil results. Mhm. But humans inherently must. We're both inside. Yeah. We are both inside. We're the yin and the yang. Yeah. You know, I think you need that unfortunately too. We need to know that exists.

Yeah. In order to grow. When people, you know, ask, you know, and I'm a very lucky human. So, like I. say all these things with a hopefully. the right perspective that I am um as. far as I'm in like the top 1% of the. luckiest people or probably even the. higher than that. You know, with access to clean water, I. don't have to worry about when I'm. pulled over being shot. I don't you.

know, there's there's not I there are a. lot of things that I can be very. grateful for. And so when I make. comments about these things, you know, I. can only come from my own perspective, you know, of course, but I do believe that we all have the. light and the dark inside us. Uh like the the story of the the wolf, you know, the story of the two wolves. inside of us and the and you know, which. one survives is the one you feed, right? You have the light wolf and the.

dark wolf and they and you just. constantly make decisions in order to. feed the right wolf over time. And some. people get lost and they start feeding. the wrong wolf. And I I feel like I've. been there before, too. You know, I've. gone through darkness and come out the. other side, you know, in my own way, in. my own, you know, uh in my own. experience, you know, in my own pain, in. my own heart, you know. uh you know I. think the one that's why I believe it's. so important to reach people's hearts.

and why music is so powerful because we. all have a heart. you know disregarding certain. sociopathic people you know we we all. for the most part for the most part. we all have. a heart and a and and so that's where. you reach you know and I think. sociopaths. you know that's on a spectrum too is. what we're hearing you know what I mean. so you have people who. can learn sociopath a pathic behavior. but aren't necessarily devoid of. feeling. Right. There's people that become. sociopaths or survive. I bet.

Exactly. Yeah. Absolutely. 100%. Yeah. It's um it's not that clearcut. And you know to to demonize people is. that's a the instinct, right? That's. that's how wars get started. We other. an entire group of humans. They're the. other, you know? And I think this is tribal. society behavior that developed because. at one point in time when you saw. someone from another tribe that was. invading they were coming to steal your.

resources and kill people. Yes. And that's what people did. and and and. again that also. there's an exception to that in the. sense that like for example in Germany. you know there were there were clear-cut. decisions that people had to make about. survival and about. you know like I'm sorry but the Nazis. had to go. right. you know we can't we can't just say that. you know. they're good people everyone's the same. you know you know they're they're so far.

gone. right. that they just have to Oh. yeah. And that's there are certain ex, you. know, examples of that. So it's not like. you're you don't you don't have to. forgive people. You just have to. understand them, I think. Yeah. That's what that's why people call. that the last great war or the real war, right? You know, because it's like there was. like such a clearcut case of good and. evil. Yeah. And that's I mean, look, the I. think the military industrial complex. has been around since even before then, but.

Oh, for sure. Well, Smemedley Butler. wrote about it in 1933. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyways, that's where that's where. Bob Dylan comes in. You know, Masters of. War, you know. You know, look, man, I'm. again, that's also why mushrooms are illegal. Is it really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Mushrooms were made. illegal during the Nixon administration. because they wanted to figure out a way. to stop the anti-war protests. They wanted to figure out a way they. they turned everything schedule one. They took all the psychedelics and. lumped them into a schedule one because. they wanted to go after civil rights.

activists and anti-war activists, right? That was the main reason like this is. the best way to lock these people up. Well, and interestingly, yeah, I mean, I think that that you. know, right, because the thing is is. that there there are a lot of studies. like about marijuana now that say, oh, it could be harmful, right? They come. out. But then at the same time, the. the way that those that that's harmful. and then the the you know comparatively.

to the other things that are legal. and allowed to just propagate. Yeah. Like whiskey. or cigarettes, you know, like I mean. like you know you have. it it there's obviously a a bias against. that you can see clearly and um and. obviously it came from this. Well, it's. also deep who's funding these studies. and what what did they look for when. they're funding these studies and did. they have it was there bias attached to. these studies? Like what what does this.

mean? You know, like I know a lot of people. who use marijuana, it's not harmful to. them at all. So like did you include. those people in that study? Like and. then I know people that use marijuana. and it really does over it consumes. their life. It they overindulge. Yeah. I had to stop. What was what was happening with you. with it? Well, I had to stop for many reasons. I wanted. to be clear-headed. I started exercising. a lot. You know, I got my Whoop, you.

know, I got my Whoop right here. You. know, I started tracking my sleep. And. I, funny enough, the sleep is really. what got what got me the most because. every time I'd take a hit or take one. drink, my sleep would go to [ __ ]. It's amazing when you look at the. results. Oh my god, it was intense. And. so, and you know, I started working out. heavy and I really. I had a lot of great like, you know, I I I have a, you know, a high. good engine, you know, V2 and like I was.

like, you know, really started to feel. like an athlete again and started feel I. started to feel great. I started to get. addicted to the high that I would get, saying no, of being proud of myself, having discipline. and having the discipline. I love the. high that I get from exercising. discipline. I'm addicted to that. That's a good thing to be addicted to. Totally. Right. You get addicted to that. feeling that you get that like. self-improvement. You know, like Gogggins, he talks about, you know, all carrot no stick, right? Or.

all stick no carrot. Can't remember. which one it is, right? But the thing is is that. for me the reward is the high that I get. from having discipline. Yeah. and I get. a it's a dopamine hit, you know, and. it's it's just vastly more rewarding. than than whatever temporary thing I'll. get from having a drink. I don't really. like like drinking that much, but. smoking weed was cool because it put me. into a very like creative spot and kind. of gave me this surge of inspiration, if.

you will, but it's bad for my lungs. And. there were a lot of ups and downs. emotionally. I'd get high and I get low. and I get high and I get low and and and. and now this clarity, you know, that I. have. it's just it's incredible, you know. I. just it's just this steady, you know, um it's this steady sort of. joy, you know, that I I mean because I had to. face myself too. When you get clear, you. have to things come up and then you look.

at them and you're like and things that. maybe you didn't want to look at before, you know. Yeah. habits that you had or or things. in your past that you have to forgive. yourself for that you didn't really. they're like floating in the back of. your mind as unfinished thoughts. And so. with without it all of that masking. I was able to sit and I mean look I was. able to sit and write this record which. is the clear most clear album I've ever. you know it I wanted to know who I was. throughout.

throughout the. without all the you know I didn't I. didn't want to chase a six-minute guitar. solo. I didn't want to chase I I wanted. to just figure out who I was stripped. away from all that. It's funny. There's. this guy Marcus Dowling. He's a um work. writes for the Tennesseeian and I was. sitting talking to him in Nashville and. he was he said that when I put he he had. a he was ready to s listen to my record. and he was about to have a whiskey and. he first the first song comes up and he.

puts his whiskey down. He's like, "Oh, I. I don't want to drink for this." And I. think that music puts you in the state. of mind that the artist is in when they. recorded it or when they wrote it. M. so this this it's it's kind of almost. like interesting that he decided to put. his drink down when he heard this like. the first song because like that's where. I'm at, you know, and so I I wonder if. there's that feeling of like this kind. of like it's less of a jam band thing. and more of just like straight songs. And. there's probably definitely something to.

that because I think that's something. that happens when someone's on stage. performing. It's like you let them take. over your mind, you know? You let the music and the song. It's like creating a holographic. bubble that you're all participating in. this. Yes. this vibe. Yeah. And it's I mean you. were there at at the MCA thing which it. was an electric feeling, right? Yeah. It was pretty wild. It was wild. Yeah. It was awesome. And I felt like, you know, it was cool to see everyone.

there and just like, you know, it it. just. there's also like the added thing to. that that, you know, they do that every. year and it's a charity. Yeah. And all the money goes to good. giving back. Yeah. And a lot of charities, right? There's. like five different charities that they. were given to with McConnes. He's a He's. a good guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's. a very wise man, especially for someone who's an actor. you know, a lot of them. And that's. again, that's a thing that I I have to. get over because I was around so many of.

them in LA that were fools. that I I just immediately associate. acting with like these empty vessels, right, that are you just struggling for. attention and trying to say the things. that they think will get them. sure. the best spot. Yeah. Yeah. I think that look I mean to become. an entertainer there's a level of. you know self-absorption. you like you know that you have to sort.

of like accept all right I got a big ego. now can I keep my ego in check for my. whole life like I think my dad has you. know right I mean I see my dad as a. great example I see Paul Simon as a. great example I see you know um Neil and. you know I see these people that like. that They're just they're just artists. through and through. You know what I. mean? And and. you know, for for better or worse, not. perfect people, but they are who they. are. And they. for the most part, I know my dad.

has an ego, but he he has a good. relationship with it because the ego is. just the representation of who we are to. the rest of the world, you know. Well, everyone has an ego. Yeah, we all do. And the struggle with the ego is just. like the struggle of with good and evil. I think I think part of it is necessary. for you to overcome. You need that. You. need th those and you you also need to. see people fall prey to it. Yeah. And we see that a lot. Ren, there's an artist named Ren. No. Oh, man. You'd love you'd love his work.

He's like a He plays guitar and he sings. amazingly. Spell it. Ren Ren. He's from England or he's from Wales. He's Welsh. Okay. And he's Yeah. This guy. That dude. Yeah. So, he's got a a song called. Listen to some of this. Higher end. Listen to Higherend. Yeah. This is the one. here. Put Put the headphones on. Okay. I've seen him for a while. He's like a. You started as a busker kind of, right? Oh, one of them dudes at the like subway. station. Yeah.

This is a crazy song. It's about. communicating with your ego. What a weird [ __ ] start to a video. A. guy with a pig mask on. Oh, man. Hi, Ren. [Music].

[Applause]. [Music]. Hi there, Ren. It's been a little while. Did you miss me? You thought you buried. me, didn't you? Risky, cuz I always come. back. Deep down, you know that. Deep. down in the moment is in periphery. Rent. on your please to see me. It's been weak. since we spoke. Bro, I know you need me. You're the sheep. I'm the shepherd or. your place to lead me. Not your place to. be batting off the hand that feeds me.

Hi Bren. I've been taking some time to. be distant. I've been taking some time. to be still. I've been taking some time. to be by myself since my therapist told. me I'm ill. And I've been making some. progress lately. And I've learned some. new coping skills. So I haven't really. needed you much, man. I think we need to. just step back and chill. Bren, you. sound more insane than I do. You think. that those doctors are really there to. guide you. Been through this a million. times. Your civilian mind is so perfect. They're always being lied to. Okay, take. another pill. Boy, found yourself in the. sound of white noise. Follow this 10step.

program. Rejoice. All your problems will. be gone. [ __ ] dumb, boy. Nah, mate. This time is different, man. Trust me. I. feel like things might be falling in. place. Right. He just has a whole conversation. with his own. mind, you know, his own ego. Yeah. And it and it tries to tell him, you know, that he's not worth [ __ ] And. then he's like, "No, wait. I'm getting. myself together." And and this whole. conversation with him with and and then. at the end it talks about. where good and evil isn't a battle, it's.

a dance. And no one ever wins. Yeah. You know, with their battle with their. ego, it's always just a dance. And it's. always just kind of finding balance, you. know. And there's a song I have on my. album called All God Did. And it's it's. it's actually the same concept. So, and. I wrote it before I heard that, but then. when I heard that, I was like, "Oh, [ __ ] that's way better.". But, you know, but it's great, you know, and it's super it's it's beautifully. written. I mean, you know, it's very, you could tell all his influences. Um um. and then he just kind of adds onto that,

which is. that dance is critical. You need that. dance. That dance is I I think this is. one of the problems that people that. don't exercise. I think the struggle of. exercise is often times conflated with. vanity. Yeah. And uh I don't think it's that. I think. you you can keep your body covered up to. the end of time and never be proud of it. and you will benefit greatly from the. struggle of exercise because I think the. struggle of exercise is is mental.

as much as it is physical. There's a. dance that that's like when I talked to. Gogggins about it, like he's the most. bizarre of all cases because he's doing. it all in silence. He's doing it all by. himself and occasionally he lets people. peer into it. But it's it's going on. right now. Like right now that guy is. out there running probably 30 miles. today. Sure. With destroyed knees. Like he's a he's a real freak. And when. I talk to him about he's like I'm. downloading knowledge. Yeah. That's what he says.

That's great. He's like, "I'm in the lab. and I'm downloading knowledge." Like, he's struggling in his own mind every. day and forcing himself to do it every. day. Then he brings elite athletes to try to. keep up with him occasionally. Like he. brought Israel Adosana. Israel Adosana. is former UFC middleweight champion. Like one of the best fighters of all. time. And you realize like he can't even keep. up with Dave. Not even close. This is. one of multiple workouts that Dave is. doing in a day. and this guy can keep.

can't keep up with them. And Dave's 50. What was the part of the brain uh that. gets um Yeah. enlarged that that. Huberman was talking about that gets. enlarged when you do things you don't. want to do? I always forget the name of it, but. Jamie will pull it up. Yeah, the anterior mid. I don't know. that. It should be like a an easier name. Cortex anterior or something like that. The discipline part. Yeah. The enlarges. throughout your life when you do things.

that you force yourself to do. Yeah, it literally does. It literally. gets bigger, which is crazy. You know, being so. What is it, Jamie? The ant. anterior midsular cortex. You got it. Nice success. Midsulate. Midsulate. cortex. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out to Andrew Huberman. There you go. um doing things you don't. want to do can strengthen your brain. particularly anterior mids singulate. cortex which is associated with. willpower and tenacity. That's. incredible the that it actually grows.

Yeah. You know, so willpower is not just a. it's not like an airy fairy concept. It's like a muscle. Mhm. No, it's incredible that willpower can. be also can be enhanced. Yes. That that that's it. It it just goes to. brain plasticity and you know and and. and that's a concept that. I think a lot of people. don't understand is that we are not set. in who we are. right. we are if especially if we adopt a.

growth mindset. right. that we we are never set in who we are. we can always improve. and refine the neural structure of our. brain to that it works more efficiently. Not just that, but you have to there's. it never ends. Like there's never a time. when you're done with discipline. It's. not you don't just get it and now I have. discipline. No, every day is a struggle. Go said. that. He goes, "Sometimes I stare at my.

sneakers for like a half hour before I. put those [ __ ] on.". Yeah. Yeah. At like 4 in the morning, you know, every day. But here's the. thing is that it becomes a philosophical. question because when you say you have. to I'm you know there are people who get. by life you know and they there is a. Tibetan tradition in the that the monks. do where they spend months and they take. these little like flute things and they. and they have colored sand right and. they all sit in a circle. and it takes them months sometimes to.

create this beautiful intricate sand. heart and they chant while they do it. and it's this most incredible thing. And. at the end they go. and they blow it all away. Yeah. And and it's meant to represent the. impermanence of life, but then it's. meant to also pose the question, why. make something so beautiful when it's. going to be when you know it's. impermanent? And I believe it goes back to the first.

thing we started talking about today, which is that meaning. is everything in life. And nothing. really in life inherently has any. meaning except the meaning we give it. Right. Right. So you could go you could like go. through life as sand on the beach that. blows in the wind and you you know you. no one you you wouldn't it wouldn't. really mean much when you blow one way. or another. Yeah. But if you choose to give your. life meaning and build a sand castle and. make it as intricate and beautiful as.

you can and make it like, you know, as. detailed as possible, knowing that one. day it's going to get washed away. at the only person that it it matters to. is you and knowing that you did the best. you could at that moment that the wave. comes. Yeah. If that's true, they should never let. anybody film them making those things. Hm. They should never let anyone film them. making those things because then it. becomes permanent. Someone can see it.

forever. Sure. But. you know what I'm saying? But yet again, I think it's for them. anyways. Yes. It's not for everyone else. But like when you let people peer into. that world and you film it, there's something about that like, okay, you just cheated it. Well, in a way it becomes permanent. But. it also I mean is you know just because. you see it happening. Let's look at it. Can you find that? Yeah, you sure you could find it on. there. I mean I'm not dismissing it. No, no. I think but I think it's an it's. an interesting question because.

something that lives. in our subjective reality if you see a. video of that happening, right? And then you grasp the concept of it and. then that makes you consider that. concept in yourself. understanding that. you know that that the meaning is a. subjective experience anyways. right. then now you understand like okay what. you you it it just causes one to ask the. question to themselves and I think. that's the purpose that the monks are. you know they're they're there as sort. of like.

in a way they're teachers you know so. they show you something that like then. you ask you know inside. yeah so the what you were saying was. that in response to the idea that. everyone should exercise and and. discipline. Yeah. Well, but it it's like you don't. have to do that, but your life will have. you will experience. a a a different sense of meaning. Sure. You know, if you do that and that will I. think that's enough for me at least. because I'm driven by finding a sense of.

meaning and I think maybe because of how. I grew up, you know, maybe others aren't. driven by that, you know. I think that's. really important to say too because you. never know like what what is driving one. I don't know how your brain works. I. could only guess. Yeah. I could only assume your brain works. like mine. Sure. And that's silly. That's a silly thing. to assume. Yeah. We don't even know if we see the. same colors, right? There it is. Oh, wow. That's so beautiful, isn't it? That's amazing.

And then they're gonna [ __ ] that up. It's I wrote a piece once for god was it. Esquire or Maxim one of those things. about your body is like a sand castle. Yeah. That you're you're building this body. but one day it will be eroded. Now. they're just sweeping it away. Mhm. Yeah. And then they like Well, they like dump. the sand in. That's kind of cool, too, though, isn't it? It's kind of abstract as they swirl it. It's kind of beautiful, too. Yeah. But think how long that took them. Oh my god. It must have taken forever.

And they're scooping the sand up. They scoop it up. Yeah. Look, they're just doing it with. like these little things. Wow. They just tap on it. Look. Look at that. Wow. That's beautiful. Yeah, it's kind of amazing. I' I've always loved this that concept, right? And I think that, you know, Yeah. Maybe. they shouldn't let you film it for I. don't know, though. I'm like I'm glad. they did. Yeah. I mean, they're letting people. watch it. Yeah. And, you know, just allowing people to. see what the whole thing is and it it'll. allow more people to understand the.

concept. Well, that's kind of like Alan. Watts like always says, you know, don't. listen to what I'm saying, right? Because the Dao that can be spoken is. not the real Dao, right? And yet here I am just loving the sound. of my own voice and talking about it. You know what I mean? And like, you know, so it's like, you know, that's that's that's the great. paradox of the spiritual self and. understanding what that means, you Well, that's that becomes readily apparent. after you have a psychedelic experience.

I remember one of my first ones that I. had, I realized when I was trying to. describe it, like I'm trying to impress. people with the way I use my words. I was very aware. Yeah. I was like, "Oh, I'm trying to impress. people with my grasp of language that. I'm using to describe an experience.". Mhm. And I was like, "Oh, that's kind of. gross." One of the great of course. actually when I started listening to you. it was in like 20 2007 2006 and um it. was uh I was listening to a lot of.

Terrence McKenna. ah. at the time and Terrence McKenna talk. about someone who had a grasp on the. English language. Yeah. Oh he was amazing. What an incredible. like I'd listen to his lectures you know. that were available online. Psychedelic. Salon is the best resource that's still. up, right? Lorenzo from Psychedelic. Salon, who had been on the podcast. before back in the day, he's collected. like the greatest assembly of McKenna, Allen Watts, Timothy Lee,

Ram Doss, probably. Yes, there's a Ramdas conversation, I think, with Allan Watts. Oh, wow. Somewhere out there, which is really. interesting. Well, my friend Duncan became friends. with Romas. Yeah, I actually met him in. Hawaii one time. Really? Yeah, I got to meet him. Yeah, Psychedelic Salon. There it is. So, it is psychedelicsalon.com. and there's Lorenzo and um Psychedelic. Salon is like this incredible resource.

of all the McKenna lectures. He's I mean. he has because it's it's such a a great. resource. so many people who were there. at like you know some talk that he gave. in Hawaii at some conference room. somewhere recorded it and then they. would send that to Lorenzo and then he'd. put it online and have it available for. everybody and you know some amazing yeah. insights and conversations. um he he lived not too far from where I. live in Maui. um so I went on a whale watch with him.

one time. really with McKenna. no with Ramda. with Ramda Sorry. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. But not McKenna. I think McKenna died in when I was a. kid. Like really early. Yeah. I think he died or something. No, it was a little later than that. Oh. Um, when what year did McKenna die? You're Jamie, right? Yeah. Jamie. 2000. 2000. I heard you play golf. I do. And you were in a simulator earlier.

I was. I I was in a simulator last night. till like two hands my hands all. blistered out. Yeah, I had that. We were having a conversation while we. were getting espresso and I was saying I. can't play music for the same reason I. can't play golf. Right. And then he shows me his hands. So he's Yeah. We're all like. And you're like, "Oh, that's what he was. just doing back there." Yeah. Jamie's got this. he's got the bug. Yeah. He's got it bad. Well, he's he. wants to [ __ ] his friends up. It's fun. Yeah. It is a fun game. It's fun to make people mad. Mhm.

That's a weird motivation, but okay. Yeah. You know, yeah, there there's it's funny like. the closest friends we have are. sometimes, you know, the ones we give. the most [ __ ] though. Oh, yeah. For sure. Well, they're the. ones that know you love them, so you can. give them [ __ ] You can kind It's fun. There's nothing like that feeling of. like having a friend that can take it. and dole it out. Oh, that's why I love comedians. They're the. best. Right. Right. Right.

They're the best because they you [ __ ]. on them. They love it. They [ __ ] on. themselves. Everyone's having fun. Yeah. You know. Exactly. That's one of the great joys in. life, I think. Yeah. The people that can't take that, boy, you're missing out on a giant chunk. of what it means to be a person if. you're so sensitive, you can't let. people crack on you. Like that's so. silly. Well, yeah. And Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. You're missing out on a lot of the fun. You're missing out on half the laughs. because half the laughs are at your own. expense. Exactly. You should be able I probably. laughed harder at myself than at anyone.

else in my life probably. That's that's a healthy perspective then. then you're a fairly healthy person. Oh yeah. Well I mean it's funny you know. we're running around. you know trying to find meaning in life. and you know one day you know like one. day is a crazy thought but one day the. last. remembrance of the human experience will. happen. Yes. you know, and uh. [ __ ] it might be in our lifetime. I doubt it. I think it'll be I think. it'll be because even now we're uploaded.

into the AI system, you know, so like. something will survive, you know, some. fact. Yeah. Some Well, whatever we are. will lead to whatever comes next. There's a great episode of Star Trek. called The Inner Light. Have you ever. seen that? The first Star Trek, the real one, the next generation. Oh, that's [ __ ] Star Trek. Whoa. Whoa, them's fighting words, man. You're a pard guy? Hell yeah, I'm a picard guy. I'd vote.

for him right now. That's hilarious. Meanwhile, he probably. could win. Diplomacy, man. So, this is the inner light. The inner light. Here's a story. Okay, here's the story. They come across a. probe. All right, because they're exploring space. Obviously, if you don't know Star Trek, they're exploring space. And the whole. their whole mission is to go where no. man has gone before, right? And so they find this probe and as. they're scanning the probe, it zaps. Picard and he goes unconscious and he. wakes up in this on this world where he.

remembers the spaceship. He remembers. where he was, but he's got a wife and a. family and kids and this world is being. threatened by an exploding sun. And so. he's got a lot of scientific knowledge. So he over the next 20 years in this. world. Wow. He eventually grows old and accepts his. fate that he has no idea how he got. here, but he's got to live this life now. and he starts to love his wife and his. kids. He starts to try and save this.

planet from the exploding sun. He ends. up not being able to. And then as he. dies, he wakes up back on the spaceship. with only 20 seconds having gone by on. the spaceship. Wow. And the probe was a had been sent by. that civilization. They knew they were. going to be destroyed. So they uploaded. this thing that like would let Peicard. experience. what happened to their civilization and.

tell their story. Wow. And and he did it experienced it. He. experienced a lifetime of 40 or 25. whatever years before he died in the. span of 20 seconds and then woke up at. the moment of his death in that other. life and then was able to now tell the. story of this of this forgotten. civilization in space. Whoa. It's the coolest concept ever. Okay, I'll have to watch it now. I mean, it's you know, I just told you. So,

do you know who Joseph McConnle is? No, Joseph McGonagal was like um he was. remote viewer number one. Oh, interesting. He was the first guy and. they gave him an assignment once without. him knowing like where he was looking. into. and what it turned out that he was. looking into. Mars 1 million years ago. Mhm. And when he looked into Mars a million.

years ago, Mars was falling apart and. there were beings on Mars. They were. going into hibernation. They had built. pyramids and all these structures and. they had to leave Mars because Mars was. being destroyed. Their atmosphere was. being destroyed and they had to come to. Earth, right? And what he. summised from that is that what we are. is the children of the people of Mars. That's why we're so different from all. the other primates. There's a whole movie dedicated to that.

exact premise. Really? Called Mission to Mars. Who's in it? I don't know. Uh, is it Greg Caner? Maybe. Greg Caner? No, I don't know. Let's Let's look at it. cuz it's like a great movie and it's. about that at the end. I might have seen it now that I'm. thinking about Gary Senise. Gary Cise. Gary Senise. Don Cheetel. What year was this? 2000. Yeah. Okay. I don't see it. Yeah. And and that's exactly the premise. of the entire movie. And so the premise of the movie is that. these people.

they go on a mission to Mars. They see. like a structure on the surface of Mars. So they go and they check it out. Whoa. And then like that's the whole thing. And they realize that Mars Well, you. know, this is not outside of the realm. of possibility. No, not at all. One of the reasons why I. say that is like they've found recent. they've recently found structures on. Mars that are so obviously man-made that. it's almost impossible to deny. Like I. showed it to Elon and he's like, "Oh, we.

should go look at the. Okay, but here's the thing about like. Have you seen that? Do you know what I'm. talking about?". No. Show him this this the square on Mars. So there's this. in the 1970s they took satellite photos. of what looked like a face on Mars in. Sidonia and kind of weird kind of weird. but it's hard to say if that's like. there's things on Earth that look like. faces that it's just like. it's just a natural formation. right. but then they found this this is recent. look at that. I mean what the [ __ ] is.

that man? Look at those right angles. Look at that. That's on Mars. Yeah. And. that's interesting. That may have been a structure at one. point. Yeah. I mean, look, it's. it's too complete. It's too square. It's. a square. Yeah. I mean, look, I would. It actually might be a rectangle, right? Is it kind of a rectangle? Well, I don't know. We'd have to measure. it. I'm sure they could measure it with, you know, throughout, you know, I just. Here's the thing. When I looked up. remote viewing, for example, and I. really looked and did research on it,

the studies that were done. apparent were kind of discredited about. how the effectiveness of those actually. were. So, if you like really dive in, there's literature that says that that. that it wasn't really the reason that. they, you know, apparently now this is. all like but but conflicting. information, you know what I I had Hal. put off on who was a remote viewer and. who's involved in the remote viewer pro. the Stargate. right so what does he say about the the.

idea that like that you know the actual. studies were not that like conclusive. and that you know that's why they. depends on who's doing it who's doing it. what's the methodology but they were. ever they were able to accurately find. within a small radius a downed. Russian uh spacecraft. so a Russian spacecraft that re-entered. orbit and crashed It was a spacecraft or. an aircraft. Do you remember Jamie? But they used remote viewers and the. Russians couldn't find it and they found. it. And this is you're talking about in.

like a vast expanse of of wilderness. It. could have been anywhere, but they they. found the area where it was. They also found a Russian factory that. was making an enormous nuclear. submarine. They they found it accurately described. it, the dimensions of it. They knew where it. was. And it was it was an accurate. location. Yeah. Not just the thing that was being. hidden, right? But where it was, the dimensions of it. I don't dismiss it.

I I can't dismiss anything. I just know. that like when I looked up like. UFO experiences and like, you know, this. this disclosure stuff that's happening. lately and and you know, I mean, I'm a. huge. I'm I'm not just a believer. I'm I'm a a. hope. I pray that there is someone out. there disarming nuclear missiles as you. know especially right now like you know. my my great hope is that there is. someone just trying to like.

you know not step in but oversee it to. the point where we hopefully we can. survive to a point of of having an. interstellar civilization you know would. it would be it's the great dream of. humanity right you know. sure but we have to be a different. civilization than we are now we're going. to do the same [ __ ]. that's the thing is And that's what I. you know I I was always even before. Elon was as famous as he is now when I. was like 15 I read his book and the one. thing that I you know I'm a I'm a friend.

of of. what was his book? Uh he read it was like a book about him. maybe. Okay. But it and I don't remember but I what I. really wanted the focus to be on was. let's put all these resources into. getting this planet right first. Uh-huh. Let's put everything we have. And you. know, it felt at the time like, okay, well, yes, we're spending all this money. to go off and maybe we're hopeless. It's. possible that we're hopeless. And it. sounds like that's where they air on.

this, you know? It's like, oh well, humanity on Earth is just is it's just. over. We just have to go somewhere else. But then if we go somewhere else, we're. just going to do the same thing like. you're saying. Yeah. So like all of the. resources in my opinion should be. focused on like like there's devices. that uh that that they they have. invented that can be put in river mouths. around the world to filter out pollution. and plastics going into the ocean right. and it's like this incredible technology.

if the budgets were spent towards these. innovations you know uh you know and. maybe AI will help it you know right now. AI is a is is is kind of a tax on the. planet in terms of like you know it's. not very good good for it but maybe the. AI technology itself will then invent. something that makes itself more. efficient for the planet. What do you mean by as a attack? Well, because the energy required for. the servers and all of that is so is so. uh you know it it drains a lot of. resource.

Right. Right. And so, but what AI may do. is help us create like an ion battery or. something that like that like makes. energy give off less, you know, you can. have this much more energy with way less. heat and way less, you know, and so then. you can create, you know, instead of. having to have giant warehouses full of. servers, you can have just, you know, like I mean, like it's the same stuff. that happened with the computer where. the computer required a giant building.

when it was first created and now you. have computers smaller than a. just to be clear Elon's position is not. that earth is like that humans are are. helpless or hopeless and we we have to. just leave earth it's not that it's that. life is so fragile here because of the. possibility not just of us [ __ ] it up. but of natural disasters and that we. need to become interstellar in order to. propagate life and to survive and so we. can carry on this. yeah growth grow that we're involved in.

as as a human species because. okay. there's I mean they just what was the. number that they just found a bunch of. new asteroids like. the the possibility of us being hit by a. near-earth object is extremely high over. the next x amount of hundreds of years. it's extremely high and these things. might not wipe everything out but. they'll start civilization all over. again. they'll bring us back to cave people so. the idea was that the more places that. we are the more likelihood that the.

human race survives. It's not just that. we're going to [ __ ] this up. And I appreciate wanting the human race. to survive, don't get me wrong, you. know, but it should be better than it is now. I I want I want us to learn our lessons. on this planet. Yeah. And I think that that's even more. important than surviving. I mean, here's. the thing. When you ask yourself. when someone asks themsself, have I. lived a life worth living? Is it be is a life worth living someone. who lives a very long time or is a life.

worth living someone who's lived a good. life and maybe for shorter so is what is. the ultimate effect that humanity has on. the natural world and environment are we. do we deserve to be space fairing and if. we do then I say let's go but I mean I. think. deserve by whose judgment though. well I mean I mean by my own individual. judgment at this point you But I mean I. mean are we better than the lions who. killed the gazels?

No. But the lions everyone who all the. natural world works cycllically. The the way that the lion kills the. gazelle and the way that the alligator. takes the you know Yeah. Exactly. Everything works with balance in nature. You have just enough give and take. It's. worked that way for years and then yes, extinctions events happen and then. things die out and they but there has. never been um a creature on the planet.

with the ability like we have to take as. much resource as poss as we can. without replenishing that or balancing. that out. Right? So we I think have a. responsibility as humanity to understand. how to balance ourselves with the and. and harmonize with nature. And I think. that's where my great hope is is that we. figure out how to. find a cyclical.

um arrangement with nature where we. where just like photosynthesis. just like plants give us oxygen. Yeah. Yeah. And then you know the carbon dioxide we. breathe then the plants then sequester. Well, our disconnection to nature might. be a part of our disconnection to. psychedelics. That that might be one of. the reasons why we're disconnected is. we're lacking a crucial element that's. there to humble the human species. And I think. that's the great key.

I think that's part of it. I think I. really do. And I think that these. monsters that were trying to silence the. anti-war in the civil rights movement in. the 1970s. by making those things illegal. y. they essentially they hampered our. development but not all of it. Right. So. our technological development continued. but our spiritual development ceased. Yeah. And and and intellect devoid of. wisdom is dangerous. Yeah. For sure. Especially like overcome. with ego. Yeah. intellect overcome with ego is.

like really disgusting. So, and the thing about it is is that no. one believes they're a monster, right? Everyone justifies good. their their behavior and they think. they're doing good. I mean, with the exception of, like I. said, a few sociopathic completely. devoid of empathy individuals, you know. Yeah. But for the most part, everyone. everyone justifies their behavior. Yeah. For themselves. They don't they judge. themselves and then they somehow make it.

well because I'm doing this because I'm. doing this you know I you know I can. sleep at night and so they let. themselves sleep at night and a lot of. times. they should be looking at themselves and. changing but they don't you know and. like so that's why my policy is I try to. just always look at myself and see could. is this actually beneficial for not just. me but for the people around me you know. music has been one of the great things. in life that is a win-win. You know, it's always a win-win.

Yeah, that's a great way to look at it. You know, it's like, wow, I'm I'm so. lucky to just be able to observe, be. able to play, be able to sleep well for. the most part. You're you're a chef for the soul, you know, like a chef provides food. It's a win-win. People eat. It's. wonderful. You enjoy the food. Oh, man. It sustains you. And I think music is uh. that's a lot of what a musician is. You're a chef for the soul. Jimmyi. Hendris, you you're a huge fan. Huge. Yeah. I He was.

other than my dad, it was Jimmy and. Stevie Rayvon. And Stevie Ray being here. from Austin, I sort of had a special affinity for. Um. even though Hrix um. Steve Ray is the only one who's allowed. to do Voodoo Child. other other than Hrix. I think you're probably right there, you. know. I mean, I mean, other people can. I'm just. joking around. No, no. I think I actually heard you say. that with Charlie and I was like, "Yeah, I think I agree.". Kind of right. Cuz he's the only one. that I can listen to where I go, "Yeah, yeah, this is like a Stevie Ray version.

of Voodoo Child.". Well, and he was a disciple of Hrix, you. know, he was a, you know, he really sat. and, you know, and really lived that. life. And but that's the thing that I. learned that was the best lesson I. learned. It goes back to why I am sober. now and where I'm at. It was because I. think the greatest lie I ever believed. for so long, I did 15 years on the road, you know, 250 shows a year and I told. myself I had to live like my heroes.

in order to be, you know, and I think I. think I think that's what. it didn't kill Stevie Ray, but it. derailed him for a long time before he. got sober. You know, Ste Ray died in a tragic accident. Obviously, it wasn't, you know, just. that's what happened. But. I almost had a chance to drive him. Really? Yeah. I was driving limousines for uh. this uh limousine company in Boston and. we were supposed he was supposed to take. a limousine, but he wouldn't take. limousines. He would take cabs. H. he always wanted to take cabs. So, I.

drove this limousine. I drove Jeff back. once. I drove uh Annie Lennox's crew. I. didn't drive. I love Annie Lennox. She's beautiful. She's amazing. I went I had to drop off. the crew at this restaurant and Annie. Lennox was talking and her voice was so. power. It was like the way I described. it, I was like her vocal cords were made. out of like piano wire. because like her voice was carrying in. the room and and I was at the time I was. 20 maybe.

and I remember like watching her talk. Oh, this is crazy. Like this lady's. voice is like traveling like it's a it. has a different power than everyone else. in the in the restaurant. The voice is such an incredible thing, is it not? I mean, you know, the power. of a vocal cord like look at James Earl. Jones. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. You know, like to change. Darth Vader, by the way. Darth Vader. Yeah, he is Darth Vader. Yeah. And he lived to be what 95. something like. How long did I mean he.

crazy and he was still doing that? Yeah. That's There's certain. Stevie Ray didn't wouldn't take limos. like [ __ ] this limo. He wanted to get he. liked to talk to cab drivers. He liked. to get in a cab and he liked to just. keep it real. Even though he was a. superstar, he didn't want to be treated. like one. He just wanted to be normal. Some of the best conversations I've ever. had have been in like Ubers or or lifts. or what, you know, whatever. And just. sitting and like chatting about like.

where they're from and like how they got. there and like there's a lot of. incredible stories that you know of like. you know perseverance. Yeah. you know, escaping certain. situations. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. I mean, and then, you know, this everybody's got their own. little journey, and sometimes you dip. into someone's journey and go, "What are. you doing, man?". Yeah. Yeah. What's going on? What you up to? I always try and learn a little bit of. the language, too. Like, how do you say. this? Yeah. You know, there's something like there's.

something that just makes people, I. think, really drop their defenses when. you submit yourself. with humility to learn their language. Yeah. I say, "You know what? I'm like, "Look, thank you for driving me. I'm so. glad you're here." How do you say thank. you? Right. Right. Right. Right. How do you. correctly pronounce your name? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, I work for the UFC, so. there's a lot of people that I I have to. ask them, tell me how to say your name. because some of these names are just.

insane. Like some of the names from. Dagistan or from Yeah. you know, the. Kazakhstan, there's so many places where. it's like Shavat Rockmanov, like Jesus. Christ, like it takes forever. And I. have to I can't [ __ ] their names up. So, no, I'm glad that you think that, though, because that's a beautiful. thing. Well, it's it's interesting. I'm. fascinated by the different sounds that. people choose to use as their language. in different places. It's like human. beings evolved in all these different. places. with all these different ways of.

communicating. Oh, yeah. They're all. different. What's the clicking uh in Africa? There's there's a musician and I can't. remember for the life of me her name. which may is it maybe Angelique Kijjo. but no uh but it's she sings in and she. uses the clicks and then just does this. sort of oh my gosh it's uses the clicks. in her sing. in her music. Oh it's so beautiful. Oh. man. How you gota wonder like what what. caused them to develop that kind of. language, you know? It's like they're all developing it in a.

vacuum, right? Because they're all the. people in that area, in that community, generation after generation after. generation, all agree to communicate in. this certain way. Yeah. You know, and then they run into people. in China and you're like, Jesus, this is. so different. And in China there's like I don't know. how many different dialects. Oh, yeah. You know. Yeah. And then different like completely. different. Oh, yeah. Well, my grandparents were. from Italy and they spoke a Sicilian. dialect. Ah, I'm Sicilian, too. My mother's side. Yeah. But I remember me like learning Italian.

in college and it was so different than. the way that they were speaking. Italian. Well, and I think I'm not. certain, but Dean Martin had a a. specific and it may have been Sicilian. or maybe a specific northern Italian or. or Napoli maybe it's but but the way. that he would sing Dominico Moduno's. song, you know,

you know, and he would do it and he'd go. he, you know, he he'd have these like. slang. in his version it's quite it's quite. different the Italian if you listen to. both of them together. Interesting. Really interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Dialects are weird, right? Because. like people learn how well I mean look. in America, right? You can go to like. New Orleans. and people have a completely different. way of talking than people do in New. York City. Oh yeah. Yeah. Have you have you heard. about the new speaking of AI the new.

adventures that were now embarking on. some scientists they're like using AI to. communicate with animals like whales. I. saw that with cats. I saw that today. that a AI today. Yes. AI is translating. cat language with like 95% accuracy. They think they know what cats are. saying to each other. Now, do you think that will have an effect on. how we treat animals if we're able to. communicate with them? Probably. Yeah. Well, I'm sure you've.

seen dogs when people say, "I love you,". and they. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like there Yeah. They're. trying to say, "I love you." They just. don't have the same lips. Yeah. And And they're very dogs will, you know, they're very good at. mimicking. Oh, yeah. You know, and behavior. Well, they certainly understand language. because I talk to my dog like a person. I talk to him. Yeah. Yeah. Like I can say, "Come on, man. Is it time to go outside? What do. you What do you want to do? You want to. get crazy?" And they're like, "I'm going. to go outside." Like he knows what I'm.

saying. Like I can I don't have to say. it in a certain tone. I can just say. he knows. Yeah. It was funny. My dad, you know, Roger Miller, you hear Roger. Miller? Was Roger Miller? Trailers for sale or rent rooms to let. 50 cent, you know, king of the road. Oh, right. King of the road. That's right. So my. dad and him were good friends and he. used to joke he used to tell a lot of. great jokes but one of them was it's. true you start what they say you start.

looking like your dog I just got chewed. out by the neighbor for [ __ ] in. their front yard. he's got my dad has so many amazing. jokes. well you it must have been really. interesting the people that your dad. brought around. cuz like oh man one of the greatest. moments I ever. felt like I I was a part of was. just a sort of a normal afternoon and I.

was in Hawaii and I was uh at my parents. house there and it was me and dad were. sitting around and Christopherson walks. by and in behind walks in they're on. their way to the airport or coming from. the airport or whatever and in walks in. with him Muhammad Ali. Whoa. And so I'm sitting there and me. and dad are just picking and Muhammad. comes and sits down and Chris is on one. side of him and dad's on the other and. I'm the one who got the guitar and so we.

just start singing for him and he's. shaking. He can't speak really, you. know, but you could just see me and dad. and Chris was just like serenating. Muhammad Ali one afternoon. Wow. And we we sang Help Me Make It Through. the Night. We sang Always on My Mind. I. sang one of my song, you know. So, it's. just like it was like a a beautiful. afternoon. Uh I'll never forget that. moment. It must have been so strange to be. constantly surrounded by these. exceptional people. Not just. exceptional, but exceptional worldwide. Like the way they're received worldwide.

Like these are like iconic humans. Like. Christopherson is like an iconic human. being. Muhammad Ali is an iconic human. being. Yes, he's and um. uh the and the key language there is. human being well-rounded. Yeah. Thoughtful, empathetic, you know, I. mean, wise, you know, and these people are, you know, they they they made their life. their work. Jimmyi Hendricks, I think,

was famous in saying that you you you. you know, your art isn't just the music. It's it's your life. you make your life. the work of art, you know, and that's. what I mean, he had no problem. with all the colors that he used in his. whole life. You know, he had no problem. expressing himself in many other forms. other than, you know, and how he dressed. and how he worked. You know, everything. was. an expression of who he was in his art. And I I you know, I'm grateful to have. been exposed to a lot of those people in.

my life. Yeah. It's a very exceptional childhood in. that regard, right? Because for some. people they grow up and I remember the. first time I ever met like a really. famous person I was like whoa this is. weird. you know like it was probably my tw. other other than like seeing Jeff Beck. and seeing Annie Lennox I never really. met them you know I didn't really start. meeting famous people until I became a. comedian then really meeting famous. people until I got on television right. and then it was just it was odd was just. so o was and still to this day sometimes. I'll have someone in here like I had.

Bono in here. and it's just weird to me like. one of my first Bono memories. I was I. was like 25 years ago. I was doing. Mushrooms and I was listening to In. God's Country and I got to tell that. to Bono. Wow. I was like it was one of the wildest. versions of your songs like looking out. over this canyon while that song was. playing. It's beautiful though. Yeah. Oh, it's amazing memory. Yeah. But. it's just weird, you know, to just. accept that they're human beings because. you see them on television, you see them. in all these things and you you grow to.

realize like, oh, we're all just human. beings. And like that's part of the. lesson of it is to meet someone who you. don't think is just a human being and. you realize like, oh, all of us are. human beings with all of our. That's a great lesson. I mean, and when. I think that I was able to understand. fame and its trappings at a young age, and that's I'm, you know, that's. something I'm also very grateful for. that I, you know, I was able to see. like, okay, a lot of dad's friends, a. lot of the people that that I grew up.

around didn't make it very long because. they got into this or they got into that. or they or they, you know, or and I see. it all happening a lot to a lot of young. people that are unable to handle. fame. Oh, yeah. you know, and fame is not. inherently a good thing. I think it's. actually probably a net negative, although it's a necessary thing if you. want your art to get out to as many. people as possible or if you want to. create a living. Like, I don't depend on. my parents. So, I want to my music to. get out there so that I'll have a career. when I'm 90. I want to be playing, you.

know, I don't want to I I don't I mean, eventually I have to keep making a. living, you know, and so. So, you have to be a little famous. I. have you think there's a part of you. that has that you know part of of of. the entertainment world where you have. to make sure you have to put yourself. out there. Yeah. And that's kind of despite knowing that. when you put out yourself out there then. all the you know that you you get. unwanted attention too. I think one of. the worst things about it is the. scammers on the internet.

There's so many scammers now on. Instagram and Facebook and everyone and. they pray on elderly people. Oh, yeah. And they pray on. Oh, you mean scammer pretend they're. you? They pretend that they're me and they go. out there and these people are. are I think they're the lowest form on. this planet really? Cuz these are people. that have dementia issues. they have, you know, uh, you know, they're elderly, you know, and they and they prey on that.

demographic specifically because they. know that they're more gullible and. don't understand technology and they. think that I'm talking to them and. they'll give in some cases thousands and. thousands of dollars of their own. savings. in my name. Yeah. And that has almost made me get off the. internet many times. But even so, e what. happens when I get off is then they just. run rampant. Mhm. you know, they create new accounts. and then the people that are, you know, sort of and they they don't want to. believe it's not me, of course, you know, and so like the people that.

are caught in it get caught and they get. hooked, you know. I remember watching this documentary. once and it was about people that get. scammed romantically online, right? And. there's this guy who's this uh lonely. man who was in his 60s and he had this. girlfriend that he was communicating. with in Europe that was non-existent and. he flew over there twice to meet her and. every time she conveniently couldn't. meet him. totally. And his wife his daughter rather was. trying to explain to him that it wasn't.

real that he was getting scammed and he. didn't want to believe it. And in the. documentary, you could see like this guy. like coming to grips with it, but not. wanting to believe it and like, "Oh, something just came up. She couldn't go. She loves me.". It's the saddest thing. I That just. happened to us recently. I played a show. with Eric Church at Chiefs, and I had a. bunch of friends there and everything. And I and we had someone show up um at. the door saying that they had been given. been they had been put on the list by. me, that I was in a relationship with.

that person. And. you said they weren't just. schizophrenic. Well, these people are in. some cases schizophrenic or they have. Alzheimer's or dementia or memory issues. or whatever, but a lot of times they're. just. being catfished, you know, or just like, you know, like I mean, I've seen there. is that show catfish that was on the TV. not too long ago. I don't know if it's. still around, but like these are. otherwise sort of normal people that get. that get tricked into believing they're. in a relationship and they have a. girlfriend and they're online and they.

get to the place and it's, you know, these are like sometimes younger people. that even get. it. It just shows you how easily. sometimes even intelligent people can be. manipulated. For sure. You know. Yeah. Well, it's just the perils of. dealing with this non-material world. Yeah. Dealing with the internet world. I mean, and I'm sure it happened in some ways. back in the day, you know, with letters. and things like that. Oh, it happened with everything. I mean, snake oil salesman. I mean, there's I. was reading some Oh, no. I was watching. Cody Tucker today.

He had something about uh this guy who. was treating people for cataracts. and it it didn't really treat them. It. actually blinded them. And he had done. it to two different famous composers. This one guy was like, and he was a. traveling guy. He would go from town to. town and and do things like that. There's always been people like that. There's always I mean. and and you ask yourself, does do those. people have any. like conscience, you know, at that a. certain point, what are they telling.

themselves to justify their behavior? Yeah. They're probably just getting by. and probably they've been [ __ ] over. too. Yeah. Most of those people have been [ __ ]. over to the point where they can justify. [ __ ] over other people. Like those. people have it coming. You know, someone did it to me. I'm. gonna do it to them. This is the game we. play. What is the antidote to that? You know, I think those people exist so. you can appreciate people that don't do. that. Yeah. I think I think that's where like.

heartless, nasty, vicious people exist. It's like if you ever been in a. relationship with someone who's just. like a a real [ __ ] just mean, nasty, insulting, gaslighty. Yeah. And trying to diminish you as a. person. And then you meet someone who's. not like that and you're like. if I didn't know someone who sucked, maybe I wouldn't appreciate this person. Totally. You know, and like that's the beauty. Like. one time uh me and my friend Brian, we. went on this uh hunting trip with my.

friend Steve Reanella to this island uh. in Alaska. And we were there for a week. getting rained on every day. It was. miserable, just freezing, shivering. every day for a week. Then I came back. to LA and the sun felt so good. It never. felt that good. I've been living in LA. for 25 [ __ ] years. It never felt that. good. But I appreciated the sun. Why did. I appreciate the sun? Cuz I had just. been rained on for a week and I had. taken it for granted. This beautiful,

amazing sunlight that I just just go, "Oh, it's [ __ ] sunny day. Where's my. sunglasses? Let me drive to work and get. inside real quick because it's too. [ __ ] bright out." you know, and I. didn't and but because of the rain for a. week of rain, I I really felt it. And I. remember calling my friend Steve, I have. never been happier. And that's why is because it sucked for. a week. And I think you need that. I. think you need shitty people so that you. appreciate good people. And I think when you meet someone who's. gaslighty and you know, someone who.

tries to ruin your life, like those. people exist so that you can appreciate. people that aren't like that. Well, yeah. The yin and yang of life. The great. another great example of that is when. you have to pee so bad, right? And then that moment when you get. to the toilet. and it's. beer drinkers understand that. Oh man. Yeah. Or when you're sick and. you, you know, and then you're like, "Oh. man, it's almost like you can't even. remember how it felt to feel good." And. then when you feel good, you're like,

"Wow, I'm so grateful that I feel good.". That's it's an amazing feeling. Yeah. And that is the thing we take for. granted more than anything is personal. health. And you give up personal health. for short time, short-term experiences. like you know drinking like drinking is. terrible for your health but you give it. up you give up these little chunks of. your health for these like small bursts. of release of inhibition you know. right? Yeah. I never really liked it anyways. It never really actually put me in too.

often. I I always was like h I wish I hadn't. It puts you in bad spots sometimes. I feel like like I think the people and. I've I've read this that the people who. actually sort of drink and become. h like happier with the life of the. party or whatever are the ones who are. more likely to become addicted. obviously. Oh for sure. You know, because there are. there is like there are two types of. people that when when they drink, like. for me, when I drink, it kind of makes.

me think more and I get kind of. depressed and I like kind of like down. and like I don't really actually. Well, you're a sensitive artist. Literally, that's literally what you do. Hold on. You're right. Now, you can lean into that. But it's a weird thing, too. People lean. into that sensitivity. They lean into. it. They carry it around as a badge of. courage, you know, which is fine. It's okay. But, you know, that's those are the type of. people that I mean, that's why it feels.

so good for them. Yeah. Exactly. When you um when you know, you drink and. then you just like become overly. sensitive and think about things. It's. just like it's because you have a lot of. empathy. and the alcohol, the the release of. inhibition makes you like be overwhelmed. by the empathy. Yeah. Be overwhelmed by thinking. I mean, you. know, the world is filled with a lot of. weird [ __ ] man. And it it's like. there's all these different channels. that you can tune into, all these. different things that you can focus on. Yeah. I I think that that you know,

the ice bath analogy for me, it's like I. love the clarity that I get after an ice. bath and I feel like sobriety gives me. that. You know, it's just like it's just like. this great awake, alive feeling, and I'm. living in that clarity. It's. Yeah. It's a perfect example. Yeah, because you have to go through it to get. there. You get out of that ice bath, you. feel so [ __ ] good. Why do you feel so. [ __ ] good? Because for three minutes. you feel like you're going to die. Exactly. It's literally the the benefit. of it. And what's fascinating to me is I.

watch all these people try to dismiss it. and all these people try to say, you. know, it's foolish and silly and like. the one thing those people all have in. common, the dismissers, is they all lack. discipline. They all are fighting it intellectually. They're fighting whatever that [ __ ]. mids singulate cortex thing. anterior mids singulate cortex. Yeah. Theirs is weak as [ __ ] and they. don't like it. And so they try to. diminish the people that do have it. You. know they they try to diminish it which. is just a compensation thing that people.

do. People are always doing that. Yeah. And you know those voices are important. too because those voices like you go, "Oh, I know why you're doing that." Even. the gaslighty people like, "Oh, I know. why you're doing that." Well, it's. helped me get through life understanding. people and that their their behavior. comes from their own trauma and their. own past. Sure. And the thing that you hate in. other people oftenimes you hate it. because you're terrified of seeing it in. yourself. Well, that's the great that's the great. lesson, you know, I mean, and or or.

it doesn't mean that. here's what I think. It doesn't mean. that you are that. It just means that. you're afraid of that inside. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It doesn't necessarily. mean you are that. But I think that yes, it's like what. you're most afraid of, you know, because you know it exists in you. because every everything exists in all. of us. We're the exploded universe in. manifested motion. You know, we are the. unfolding universe every moment. Yeah. And all when you get angry at.

foolishness that you see in other. people, you're what you're angry at is. that that thing could be it could be in. you and it it is in you. It's just you. haven't fed it. It's the wolf you. haven't fed. Yeah. And discipline helps with that. It. helps you to understand that you are. responsible for your feelings, you know. Yes. Yeah. You're responsible for your. feelings. And also like. there's things that you can do that can. make life more bearable. And one of those things is physical. exertion. It makes life more bearable.

And the way I realize this is when I. don't exercise for like three or four. days in a row, which is very rare. Oh yeah. But when it does happen, I. start getting really weird and anxious. and I'm like, "Oh my god, people are. like this all day." Like some people are. like this their whole life where they. just riddled with anxiety and all. everything is a crisis. Every little mo. every [ __ ] moment is unbearable. I'm. like, "Oh, this makes sense. This makes. sense in our sedentary weird world where. people just sitting and staring at a.

screen all day and yeah, you know, and not doing things." So. you're not you don't have. you don't have meaning, right? And then you're just overwhelmed. Yeah. And then you know then you'll find a. protest and go out there and start. [ __ ] screaming in the streets. Well, yeah. I think there's more to that. than that. But yes, I agree. I mean, I. think. a lot of it is that though. A lot of it. is that a lot of what people protest. there's a lot of protests have like real. good purpose behind them, but a lot of. the people participating in those. protests are looking for meaning in.

their life and they don't have it. anywhere else. Yes. Well, and and you know, I mean, look, we need those people, too. We need we need those people to drive. change, you know. Sure. If they're organic. And again, the. problem with the this world is that th. those things are manipulated just like. and that's Yeah. You have to be. weaponized. You have to Yeah. It's. important that you don't let your. emotions be manipulated. I think that's. one of the great lessons in this wild. world that we're in. I mean, that's what. I try the most. That's why I try not to.

make concrete statements, you know, unless I know at least, you know, where. I heir on is like, okay, this is this is. the compassionate thing to support or. do. I I have a a charity that I work. with called Music Heels International. And it's a music school in Haiti, in. Venezuela, in India. I think there's a. presence here too. and and and it's just. I know that I can in concrete ways make.

someone's life more joyful. and on a face-toface basis. David Blaine. was telling me about I I met David. Blaine one time and he was he he's he's. a cool guy. very cool guy. And and we were discussing that it's. it's almost more powerful to be at a. hospital and and and go and talk to the. kids that you're supporting in this. hospital rather than to donate to that. hospital and just sort of be I I think.

there's just such something so. spiritually significant about being with. the people that you're helping and the. joy in that being reciprocated and that. that feeling of being at the you know. you. just giving is is joy, you know, ultimately. I think that's a really cool. thing, you know, like. there's a great quote. A man slept and. dreamt that life was joy. He awoke and. found that life was service. He acted. and behold, service was joy.

And I like that. Always remember that. You know, there's definitely something to that, right? Making people feel good is. selfish. It is. And it's a joy. And it's And it's. a win-win. Yeah. It's a win-win. Like you get. rewarded for being nice. Yeah. And I mean there's a also I don't. like I think the word kind is more. appropriate cuz people can be nice and. not good. But I don't think you can truly be kind. and mean it. Because if you're kind, you actually are. thinking.

you feel it. Where others you're just being polite. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you can be you could say. the right words with like a shitty. feeling to it like have a good day and. you're like ew. Yeah. [ __ ] you. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Like I know what's behind that. British people are really good at that. Yeah. You know, they're they're really. good at like saying the right words with. like a [ __ ] attitude behind it. Because that's part of their culture. It's like keeping up appearances. Well, I mean, in a way, it's part of. every culture, you know. Sure. And I,

you know, I think that, you know, Yeah. Keeping up appearances, you know, keep. one of the things I hated the most about. Los Angeles. It's like that this the. hollowess of communication. That's my my. bias against actors and people because I. I encountered so many people that were. like artificial constructs. Well, I I loved it there when I went and. I still love it when I go. I mean, I. I've spent a lot of time Yeah. I lived. there for 10 years. Where'd you live? Uh in Venice. Okay. Well, that's a little different.

Venice is it's kind of at least it was. before it was overwhelmed with homeless. people. Here's what I think about community. about Los Angeles is Los Angeles is like. the cave in Star Wars and Empire Strikes. Back and when Luke asks Yoda what's in. there and he says only what you take. with you. because you can go to LA and find any. type of energy. You can go to you can go to LA and find. any type of person. There's groups of. really amazing people and there's groups. of people who are lost, you know, and. there's different areas and there's.

different places that that you know. where these different types of people. congregate. But but LA is a very. powerful place. It's a lot of moving pl, you know, and I I prefer to be in places. that are less there's less movement. I. I'm a I I live in Maui. I have my. friends in Maui. Uh my best buddy Matt. Miola is a professional surfer and he's. a bow hunter and I you know and my uh my. friend Olly works construction. And you. know when I go home to Maui I like a.

simple life. You know I like you know my. friend they're all fishermen. They're. all, you know, I like to go out there and and. that's how I would want to raise my. kids, you know, when I want to be out. there in nature. I want to be giving and. taking with the land and I want to be. able to understand the planet that I. live on by working with the earth and. working with, you know, and uh and that. community in Maui there is a really. special place, you know. Well, I think. Hawaii in general is a very special. place because it's surrounded by ocean.

and I think there's something about the. ocean that gives you humility. and it like lets you understand that. you're a part of nature because. that's where we came from. Yeah, we came from it. And not only. that, it's so huge and massive and. overwhelming. It's like the mountains. Mountains have a similar effect. It's like they're they're they're so. vast you you can't have much of an ego. when you're in their presence. It's my other favorite place is Montana. Oh, there you go. Mountains, you know, other than, you know, Yeah. I mean, I I. anywhere there's nature, but I I really.

like I I like that's being in the. mountains of Montana and being on. Hawaii. There's only a few places in. life that I actually am sad when I. leave. Like I get really upset when I, you know, it's like breaking up with. someone, you know, when you have to. leave. But. yeah. Um, when you write, do you have a. purpose in mind or do you just sit down. and try to find out what comes to mind. or do you have a thought in your head. before you write? When my best work comes, it just um it's.

like a conduit. It like comes from. another place and I I hear I hear like a. like when I was uh 11, I wrote this song. called You Were It. and um and I was on. the school bus and I started hearing. this song in my head and I realized that. it hadn't been written yet. It was. something that was coming from. I guess my own experiences but also. filtered through somewhere else. It felt. like it came from somewhere, you know, like it was a download, you know. And I.

I I think that I look at I look at. writing as if like there's a beautiful. muse sitting there and she's giving me. these gifts every once in a while and. then she sends them to me. And if I'm. open and clear and not in my own way and. I'm, you know, if some if I get like an. a something that hits me like a a clever. line like there's a song I have called. Find Yourself and I hope you find. yourself before I find somebody else to. be my love. And I start singing that in.

my head and I start like, oh, the melody. comes and it's a gift. And I I wherever. I'm at, if I was got one right now, I'd. have to write it down while we were. talking, right? You know what I mean? I'd have to sit. down. I'll be like, "Hold on, let's. write a song." And you know, and but I. it I try not to, you know, I can't force her to send me. because they're gifts, you know. Yeah. And I it's like my dad always says, it's. like waiting for the rain to fill up the. well. You can't force the rain to come. You just have to wait. And the real.

stuff comes when you just allow yourself. to receive it. You just And I think I like what you. just said too about getting out of your. own way. Yeah. Cuz that's the thing. It's like these. ideas are out there, but you're so in. your own head and so worried about. yourself and your own [ __ ] that. sometimes like you you block them. Yeah. Cuz all of your attention is on. yourself. Oh yeah. I mean, you know, and you. overthink it and you over analyze it and. how am I going to look? Yeah. And. is it going to be cool? People going to. like it? That's the big one. is this like I think.

a lot of people get caught up in like. well. you know like this latest record you. know people like I didn't want to be too. flowery with it I didn't I wanted to. write simply what came to me and. sometimes the songs are simple. and I think that simplicity for some. people can be like oh well what about. the the intricate arrangements and what. about the long jams and the exploration. like that's not what came to me. right. and I I can't cater to those people you.

know Right now, where my heart is is. zen. It's I'm trying to be as simple as. I can be in terms of just only putting. out what comes to me at the moment. And. and sometimes people aren't going to. like it because they're used to me. rocking and jamming and doing all that. or they're used to me doing that. But. that'll come back. It'll come back around. You know, there's there's a time and a place for. everything. And right now I just I have. to be I have to be open to it as it. comes, not as I want it to be or as I. think other people will want it to be,

you know. That's it, right? You know. Yeah. You just have to whatever. And the. thing has to be kind of pure in its. form. Yeah. And don't over molest it with a bunch of. different production values and [ __ ]. layers and sound. Yes. Exactly. Yeah. And and I I I prefer. I mean when I listen to my heroes, you. know, Hank Williams, Dad, Merl Haggard, uh Stevie Ray and and Jimmy are are look.

what came to Jimmy was. an explosion of color and sound. I mean, when I hear his music, I see. colors that are like I can't even. describe in real life, right? Might have something to do with the. psychedelics that I also took. But at. the same time, it's I think that other. people. and the psychedelics he took to and. that's the thing is that he it goes back. to what we're saying like the state of. mind that he was in. 100%. He captured and he put it out. Imagine writing Voodoo Child if you're. sober, you know. Yeah. You know, like Yeah. Exactly. And.

and there's a time and a place for it, you know. Yeah. You know, and and but. you know, I have hundreds of songs I've. not released that I wrote at different. times in my life. And I'll eventually. put them all out hopefully if I'm lucky, you know. Do you just go back to them and look at. them every now and then? Like how do you. how do you file them away? Do you have. them on a computer? I have it on a Dropbox file. Oh, okay. Yeah. And so every now and. then you check them out. A couple hundred songs in there. More. probably now because I write them all. the time, you know, and.

and uh Yeah, it's like just kind of it. just like sometimes it's like, god, I. wrote another one. it's going to go. there and then that one shoots to the. top of the list of the one you're. interested in because you just wrote it. and then something that might be really. great just gets kind of pushed down and. then like so what really you really have. to do is each project that comes up you. have to say what am I trying to what am. I trying to get across right now and. it's not about whether a song is better. or worse it's about what what am I. trying to say and how do I present that.

you know and so I have to collect 10 or. 12 or 14 songs from that that kind of. fit in this in a narrative, you know, that you're trying to put out there. And do you write on pen to paper or do. you write on a computer? Like, how do. you do it for the most part? You write. on your phone? I do it for the most part. Really? Yeah. Well, because I I have fast. thumbs. Okay. And my brain works really fast. And when. I get really excited, I'll write it down. there. I can read it properly. Sometimes. I'll write on a piece of paper. Don't.

get me wrong. I I uh. Do you ever talk it to your phone? Like. use voice? I use voice memo to record. everything. So the a lot of the demos. that I have are are just voice memo to. phone because my brain's working fast. and this thing works pretty fast. Yeah. You know, voice memo has a. transcription aspect to it too now. Oh, I didn't even realize that. Yeah. Yeah. I've been using that a lot. So when you it works on both Android and. on um iPhones. Yeah. But you when you uh make a voice note,

it can transcribe it now. So like what. I'll do is I'll you know record sets and. sometimes we do we do this show at the. comedy mothership called bottom of the. barrel where you have like a whiskey. barrel and inside is all suggestions. from the audience. You just put your. hand in there and pick out a piece of. paper and pull it out. It's like tomato. soup or whatever and you just have to. start talking about it. Try to find. something in there. And every now and. then it's like, you know, one out of x. amount of times you have a genuine idea. that becomes a bit. Sure. And the best way for me to fish those.

out is to go over the transcription. instead of just listening to myself for. an hour. Yeah. I mean, that's great. I didn't. realize that was a feature and I'm I'm. going to start using it. Yeah, it's pretty dope because you can. just talk and it'll transcribe it and. then you can copy and paste that. transcription into voice note or into. notes. Oh, and even notes itself has a voice memo. aspect to it now. Oh, wow. So, if you go to just when you're in. notes on on an iPhone, like you can. actually make a voice memo,

right? Voice note from that and it'll. transcribe that for you. When you're doing a set, do you have. people put their phones away? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. The club has we have. most comedians do that, right? Because. they're trying a lot of material out. Yeah. You're trying material out and. also you don't want people distracted. It's better for everybody. It's It's. better for the audience. It's better for. you. And also, you're saying a lot of. stuff that's like not done. And if somebody releases it because they. want clicks and then they put it on. YouTube, they'll [ __ ] the whole bit up.

because it's not done. It's like, and a lot of bits, they suck at first. Like, you don't know where they're. going. Like, you have an idea and the. only way comedy really gets made is in. front of a crowd. I have a lot of ideas. that I think are really good until the. audience tells me different. You don't know. really have no idea. until you say it in front of people. That's interesting. Yeah. And it's very. much the same for, you know, in music. I. I feel like there's stuff that I try out. live, you know, uh there's a song new I. do a lot of new material live just to.

see how the audience will react. Does it feel weird the first time you. sing it? Yeah. Yeah. It depends on what type of song it is, too. If it's a song that requires focus. on the lyrics, you know, then sometimes. it feels weird because a lot of people. when they listen to music, they don't. hear a lot of they like it's hard. It. takes a certain type of listener to. listen to lyrics and be able to. internalize them. A lot of people take the song as a whole. and the melody and they hear it and. they're like, "Oh, this song makes me. feel good." And then later on, if they.

like the song, they'll go in and listen. to the lyrics. I found a lot of people. listen to music that way and then it. takes them a while to actually hear what. you know unless unless it's a stripped. down me and a guitar with no band around. and then it forces the listener to then. listen to the words, you know, which I actually I really like. doing that sometimes. I like just. playing just me because then it it. there's no distraction around and it's. sort of just me, a guitar and the words.

that I'm saying. And I think they have. more impact sometimes that way. Yeah. People love that too. That's why. they love acoustic performances, right? Yeah. Exactly. Like Bob Dylan was an. amazing Paul Simon. Again, I I you know, these are people that I I I cite a lot, you know, in in this in this way. But, you know, Sierra Frell, do you know. Sierra Frell? Oh my god. She's on my new. record. Steven Wilson Jr. He's another. great amazing country singer songwriter. Sierra Frell has one of the greatest. voices I've ever heard. Really? Oh my god. Yeah. you got you to love her.

music and and and. uh Stephen Wilson Jr. not only does is. he a great writer, he used to be a food. scientist. So he was a he was a food. scientist uh and he and he wrote songs. kind of as a hobby on the side, but he. was responsible for like what percentage. of what sort of you know goes into. making dog food and like things like. that. It was really interesting. Yeah. and he be now he's like really hitting. it off. He's he's he's a great artist.

Um. that's interesting. Yeah. Like a food scientist to Well, yeah. I. guess there's probably an art to that. too, right? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Create something delicious. Well, you. could be an evil food scientist creating. just junk food that's like super. addictive. I think there's a lot of those out. there, man. Oh, hell yeah. Yeah. You know, but I don't, you know, do they think they're evil? They. probably just, you know, getting a job, you know, getting the job done. They're just doing their job. What's. their job? You know, I mean, a lot of. these food companies, unfortunately, are. now owned by the same people that used.

to own tobacco companies, right? Or still own tobacco companies. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. And then they develop super. addictive junk food. Family farms, man. Family farms. Regenerative farms. Support your local. family farmer. Yeah. You don't have to eat junk food, but. No, you don't. But also, you can. Yeah. Just don't eat it all the time. Yeah. Twinkies are great. Yeah. They make you feel like [ __ ] but. while you're eating them, they're. delicious. Yeah. I like uh I think as far as junk. food goes, I'm just a good old Snickers.

bar. Oh, yeah. Snickers bar are great. I. don't even know if Snickers bar is like. really junk food because there's place. for Snickers bars. Like uh if you're in the back country, say if you're hiking. Yeah, Snickers bars are. has nuts, some some protein. There's plenty of sugar in it, too, which you're going to need if you're. burning off a [ __ ] ton of calories. you're operating at a calorie deficit. and sometimes that's like exactly what. you need. You know, you need like a little bit of. protein, a lot of sugar, and you know,

it helps fuel your muscles. Yeah. And it gives you just simple simple. simple calories. What were you you I think I just heard. you were talking about this um was it. George Foreman? He used to drink a Coke. after each. No, Floyd Mayweather. Floyd Mayweather. Yeah, he drank Coca-Cola after he worked. out. Yeah. There's there's something to. that. There's something to that. as hard. as he worked out, just like immediate. sugar after exercise to replenish the. body. Yeah. My friend Cory Sanhagen was. talking about that. Okay. That he does that. Yeah.

You know, he's he's a big fan of like. cuz he's an MMA fighter and so he'll do. two and sometimes three workouts in a. day. And you know, like if you're going to do. that, you have to do something after a. hard workout to replenish the muscles in. order to be able to work out. And the carbs then replenish the. muscles. Yeah. You need those sugars. Yeah. Yeah. You need fruit. You need fructose. But wouldn't you want it to be like a. more. pure like form of sugar than the like. isn't there are there different types of.

like refined sugar is not, you know? Yeah, perhaps. But also the the like. high sugar stuff gets in the muscles. quicker. That's the argument for doing it like. right after a workout. Okay. Yeah. And is when what is right. after? Is it like within 15 minutes? I think it's within 30. I think that's. the argument. I mean, you have to like. look at I mean, there's a lot of. exercise scientists that I'm sure would. have arguments one way or the other, which is interesting because they can't. all agree, right? You know, there's a lot of arguments. Yeah. And it it also depends on what kind of.

exercise you're doing. You know, are you. a weightlifter or are you a marathon. runner? You know, because uh we had. Courtney Dwalter uh on the podcast once. and she does ultramarathons and you know. uh my friend Cam Haynes who also does. ultramarathons says like she's like one. of the toughest human beings he's ever. met in his [ __ ] life and she exists. on sugar. She eats like candy and drinks beer. Wow. Like it's not uh. she's not like formed in a lab. like. whatever willpower that she has that.

allows her to, you know, she's beaten. people where she does like these 250 m. runs where the second place person was. like eight hours behind her. Wow. Which is just bananas. The idea of like. you could run 250 miles and then second. place it takes them eight hours longer. than you to run those 250 miles. Wow. That that's got to be genetic. slightly, too. I mean, it's got to be. like the V2 max is pretty high.

I don't know. Genetic. It's body type. for sure. You're not going to get like a. 6'5, 300 pound man that can do that. Sure. Because your your form physically can't. really per you. There's so much of a. physical energy requirement to move that. much mass in defiance of gravity over. long periods of time. Most of those. people that are ultramarathon runners. are very slight, small people. Mhm. Like Cam when he gets ready to do. ultramarathons, he loses like quite a. bit of weight,

you know, like. at one point in time he was like in the. high 180s and now he's down to like 160. and he'll get even lower than that. before race. He's my height. So he's. like 5'8. Okay. 5'7. So he'll get down to like 150 something. when he's going to do like a 250 mile. race. Yeah. Yeah, but that's like a that kind of mindset. is a crazy mindset. That's like a very. unusual punishment that you're going to. put yourself through voluntarily.

Yeah. When Chris died, Christopherson. died, it hit me real hard and I went and. ran. I just kept running like Forest. Gump and I ran um just 13.1 miles. I. stopped when I got half a mile, a half a. marathon. And I I was worked. I was. like, "Oh, man. Another 13.1 miles for a. marathon. That's a lot.". Well, you build up to it, right? That's. the whole thing. It's like, you know, like if someone. wants to work out tomorrow and they. never worked out. Like, I've done this.

with a lot of my comedian friends. I take them to the gym. I go, "Look, we're not going to break you. I if. you're going to work out with me, we're. it's going to be very easy and you're. going to maybe want to do more, but I'm. not going to let you. Like, I'm going to. make you do a certain amount of. push-ups, a certain amount of body. weight squats. We're going to do a few. of these and a few of those, and then. we're done. We're done. And I don't want you to be. tired. I want you to be just a little. energized. And then two days later, we'll do it again. And then we'll do it. again. And then we'll do it again. And. then we'll do it again. And then after a. while, your body gets stronger. Like. now, I'm going to require more of you. Now we're going to actually exert. And.

now, okay, now you've got some muscle. mass. Now you've got some endurance. And. now we're going to build on top of that. The way I describe it, I'm like, you're. building a mountain one layer of paint. at a time. Wow. You know, that's a good way to describe it. Do do. you do the um the uh scans the body. scans? DEXA scans. DEXA scan. I have in the past. I haven't done one. in a long time. I just found this guy Colin Anderson. 287 pounds. Did a 100 mile race. He set out to do like to break the world.

record. I like it says ultra large. Yeah, that's the name of the little. documentary they made. So he's 280 lbs and he ran an ultra. marathon. Wow. That must have been hell. Weight he lost at the end of video. there, too. Oh my god. I bet he lost 50 pounds. It just checks right here. How much weight did he lose? About to find out. Skip ahead. Spoiler. alert. Spoiler alert. Get to the end. Such. Wait, gained weight.

No, it's 297. It says. what did he weigh before? It's 287 is what I was seeing. What? How's that possible? 10 pound. weight gain after 100 pounds. or 100 miles around. What the [ __ ] did. you eat, bro? Wow. Crazy. I mean, yeah. He must have been eating the whole. time. Like, right, like every few miles. Snacking every five minutes. Completely. Yeah. Incredible, though. I guess. I don't. know. I guess. Oh, yeah. Your body probably is doing. everything it can to keep the water. I mean, I can only guess.

Yeah. That's pretty wild. That is interesting. That's something I. didn't expect to see. Yeah. Yeah. To be that big and run 100 miles. is very, very unusual. Most of those. guys are super slight and you know they. just keep on trucking. Yeah. Did you read that book a long time. ago ago it came out? I think it was. called Born to Run, but it was like. about the Taro Humara tribe. They run barefoot. Mhm. And um I don't remember what it was. actually called. Um but really. interesting. Yeah. They run through the mountains.

It's like a South American tribe, right? Yeah. South American or or even Mexican. I can't remember. I don't remember. But. um but the taro is what they're called. and they would run barefoot. Yeah. Wild. Mhm. What the [ __ ]. And and apparently they you know they uh. they would they would also run which was. interesting. They would run happily. but they would have smiles on their. faces and they'd be light and that and. and they said that that was like helped. them sort of lightly grace themselves. through the the mindset that they had.

when they ran help helped them to. outperform everyone else. Well, they're. probably doing it all the time. And in. order to be able to run that much, again, you're building slowly but surely. building on top of what you had before, right? Like, you can't stop. It's like if. someone wants to just get out today and. run a marathon. Don't [ __ ] do it, right? You're going to blow your ankles apart. You're going to [ __ ] your knees up. You're going to ruin your hips. Like, don't do that. Don't do that. Run around the block. And then the next day, maybe run twice. around the block. But you have to get better the same way.

you got sick. like you didn't get. unhealthy, you know, in a day. You got. unhealthy over the course of a long. stretch of life. Do you run? Do you like to run? No, you don't run. No, I've done it. Uhhuh. Um I have a knee issue. And. so you swim instead? I swim. I do. But most of my uh. cardiovascular exercise I do on a air. dye bike. Oh, it's a. or I hit the bag. But does the bike hurt your knee too? No. No, it doesn't. No, because you're not pounding,

right? You know, I've had knee. surgeries, you know, from all years of. martial arts. So, I have like one knee. that has meniscus missing and I can run. I do, but I just don't think it's the. best thing, you know, for someone who's got like, but then again, there's Gogggins who has. like [ __ ] zero meniscus and he's. basically bone on bone just running. around. But he gets a bunch of. operations. He's on like seven or eight. operations to try to correct his. knees that are [ __ ] up from doing. this. They put plates in there and [ __ ]. and he wears them out. Like it's nuts.

I, you know, I respect the guy, but. that's a lot. Oh yeah. I mean, he's ruining his body. and he's hoping that science will get to. a point where they could repair all that. [ __ ] without him having to get a knee. replacement. He's like placing it on that. Well, it's like you can get a knee. replacement now, right, and you'll be in. significantly less pain. But once. science comes around, well, they're. they're getting closer and closer every. day to being able to completely. regenerate cartilage, meniscus, and all.

that tissue that you have inside your. knee that keeps it healthy. If you decide that you want to get a. knee replacement, that kind of stops all. that because now you have an artificial. knee. and you can't regrow a knee once you've. cut your knee out. No, you can't. Yeah. And so this is why he's not doing that. yet. I think. he's talked about it. He's like, "Maybe. someday I'll have to, but. right now it's just he'll just deal with. it.". Wow. You look like you have to pee, do you? No. Okay. I thought you did. You're weasling. around a little bit cuz I always get. sensitive to guests like if they moving.

around a little. I was like, "Oh, you. got to pee.". Well, now let me take an assessment now. Cuz we're like 2 hours in. We are two hours in. at least. Yeah. I I feel good though. I don't have to. pee. I just sort of like Yeah. I guess. I've just been sitting a while. It's. kind of like. Yeah. No, I do that too. I do that too. Yeah. the but the for people out there. that are thinking about like oh this is. inspiring me start slow but do it again. make sure you don't just get inspired. one day. inspiration is great discipline is. better. you know what I did which I loved is.

that really helped me was in like. wherever I would walk just in general. I would just do a little like jog. in instead of walking somewhere I'd just. go like you know. just a little something. just like this. Yeah. Just kind of like almost like this. And. I'd walk wherever I was going and and I. started to do that every day. Just. instead like, you know, instead of. walking to to get my coffee in the. morning, I kind of do a little jog, you.

know, and throughout the day I'd do. that. And eventually I started like. wanting to just go out for a run. Like. my body just started warming up. I. started like want and I kind of wanted. to do that. Same concept. Yeah. Yeah. Same concept. Build it up slowly. Yeah. Exactly. Just do something, people. I'm telling. you, just go [ __ ] do something. Find. a yoga class. Do something. Treat your body like a temple. Well, just just for your brain, you. know? You got to understand that there's. a connection. If your body is sedentary, it's just sludge. It's all just it's all. blocked up and.

y that [ __ ] with your mind. The mentally unhealthiest people that I. know are all terribly out of shape. Yep. And that you I mean, you know, there is a correlation for sure. 100%. You know, this is this life. This. life is you you've you've given you've. been given this meat vehicle and you got. to maintain it. It's a good band name. Meat vehicle. Probably already exists. probably. They probably have some banging songs. It's probably a hardcore band. Definitely a hardcore band.

Meat Vehicle. Wait, there's some other ones. Oh, Biblically Accurate Angel. Ooh, biblically accurate Angel. Have you seen what a biblically accurate. angel is? Yeah, they look like aliens. That was. pretty cool. Yeah, they look like geometric patterns. Yeah. I always wonder what the alien, you. know, Tucker Carlson's convinced that. aliens and devils are that's that's what. you like angels and and devils and. aliens are all the same thing. He thinks. that they're not visiting from somewhere.

else. That they've always been here and. that there's some sort of spiritual. aspect to like the UFO. encounter UAP phenomenon. Oh, I see. Yes. Um, well, there's a lot. of interesting pictures that are, you. know, drawn on cave walls. Oh, yeah. Things like that. Oh, we've gone over a [ __ ] ton of them. And then also ancient religious art. where it looks like people are in. vehicles flying through the sky. I'm. sure you've seen those, too, right?

Yeah. Like, what is that? Like, what are. you trying to. There's no other stuff that you're in. that thing that's fantastical. Everything else is like an accurate. representation of life at that time. except for these people that are in. these flying things in the sky. Like. what is that? Yeah. We just don't know. Unfortunately, when I looked at all of the. credible UFO reports, the only ones that. really had no explanation, I actually. asked chat GPT of all of the credible.

UFO of all of the UFO reports, which. ones have not in some way been sort of. explained, right? And which ones are the ones that. are still like And the one that was not. comp the one that's still sort of. outstanding is the USS Nimmits. experience. Commander David Fraver, right? Yeah. I've had him on the podcast. talking about. Have you really? Yeah. Yeah. That seems. to be the most compelling. Mhm. Um. there's other ones though. Yeah. Ryan Graves, uh he's another fighter.

pilot and that was off the east coast. So the Nimitz is off the coast of San. Diego, but off the east coast, they upgraded. their sensors in 2014 on the fighter. jets and then immediately started. encountering these things that defied. known physics that were in the sky. And you know, and these guys had these. encounters with these things that were. like a cube inside of a sphere. that's like motionless at 120 knot winds. and no heat signature moving through the.

sky. They don't know what the [ __ ] they. are. What what what do you say to the. theory that of the possibility that that. is um sort of black ops like the idea. that the SR71 I think um. blackird. the blackbird. um. there's a there's a company called skunk. works right and they were they were. responsible for the declassification of. that aircraft and then I think. the F11. or the the stealth bombers.

you know, but since then, and that was. like 25 years ago or more, there have not been any more. declassifications. Yeah, it's a good argument. I I just I'm curious as to like what. you know what in 25 years based on the. technology that we've been able to see. that makes it through modern society, how much is, you know, held back and. what we don't see. um you know it just. interests me and I and I I I don't know.

I don't have an answer you know I'm not. asking myself whether you know I don't I. actually believe that it's it's almost. unlikely that we have that technology. but because I feel like it would just. take so much more than we may be capable. of to cover it up but maybe not I don't. know. yeah I don't think it would um I think. there's a high likelihood that a lot of. this stuff is ours and I think one of. the reasons for that statement is that. This stuff always happens over military. airspace.

Yeah. East coast and west coast. Like so the. east coast stuff, the Ryan Grave stuff, they're doing it over areas where these. fighter jet pilots run training. missions. Yeah. And then the same thing as the West. Coast stuff like that where it's off the. coast of San Diego which is like tons of. military out there. Yeah. Um I I do believe that there's some. programs that are operational and. there's a great uh podcast. Jesse. Michaels has an amazing YouTube channel. that's he's he's covered this stuff like. really extensively and he's a brilliant. guy. He really understands it. And they. were working on some anti-gravity.

technology in the 1960s. and most likely they continued that. work. Yeah. Artificial horizon technology, stuff like that, you know, that that I. mean there's got to have come far since. then. Yeah. And there's the idea that they. could hide all that stuff. No, they. could never hide it. Of course they. could. Of course they could. They. definitely could. You being naive? you're being naive as to how much the. the government. I'm I'm I'm only asking the question. you I don't mean you say that. I actually pretty much that's where I. lean towards when it comes to that.

I think some of it but some of it also. could be from somewhere else and I think. some of it just exhibits like the the. Nimtts one okay this is 2004. so this tic tac goes from more than. 50,000 feet above sea level to sea level. in less than a second. yeah like seven8 of a second. Sure. Like that's crazy. That is And you're right. What is that? And it does it does. it changes it when you remember how long.

ago these things were being seen, right? Because this is 2004. But then. you go back to the 1960s, if they're. really working on anti-gravity. technology back then, it's possible that. they could have created a drone, right? the the the thing is like could a. human being survive inside of those. things at those extreme speeds? Well, the question is like what are they. experiencing in that? Because if it's a. gravity device, if it's moving, if it's. manipulating gravity, so it might not. have g forces at all. It might be.

operating in a completely different. paradigm. Yeah. Well, there may be sort of just. you know trillions of calc of of of. alternate sort of. uh you know uh momentum shifts in the. outside protective layer that that. balance out whatever is happening on the. inside to the point where you know. they're using this crazy technology. That's also why the argument is that. they're blurry like so a lot of the. photographs of these things are blurry. It might be because they're actually.

existing in some sort of a gravity like. void. Yeah. And what you're seeing is not. exactly what's there. You're see you're. seeing it through like a dirty. windshield. I've seen some stuff. Have you? Yeah. What have you seen? When I was in Maui, um twice I've seen something that I. could not explain. The one time I I. looked up and about nine of us were. hanging out and we all looked up at the. same time to see an orange orb and it. was probably it looked like it was a. hundred yards away, maybe 200, just.

floating kind of observing. And then I swear it seemed like as soon. as enough people saw it, it went and then it went and it moved. like nothing else I thought possible at. the time. It went out of the atmosphere, you know. Um, and it was crazy. Faster. than any drone. And that this was back. in like 200. four, 200 five maybe, you know. So it's.

very, we were all, you know, young. I. was maybe a little teenager. So, it was. probably like 2006, you know, but it was. like it was crazy. I'm not telling you. It was like, you know, uh and and uh. well, a lot of them happen near the. ocean, too, which is interesting. And another one I was out on Lai and we. were hanging out with some friends and. we were laying down on the lawn and and. when you're out in LAI on the back side. of LAI, there's no light pollution at. all. And so, you have just this big. giant fishbowl of stars and it's the.

most incredible. It's like you're. sitting in a. spaceship. In a in a spaceship. Exactly. And you. feel that you're on spaceship earth at. the time, you know, like you are on that. rock h hurtling through space at that. point. And I saw this, we all, it scared the. girls. We all saw this pulsing colored. thing go from one side of the horizon to. the other. Um, but in a in a very like. it was like pulsing different colors and. it was like really interesting. And so,

you know, who knows what that could have. been, but it was quite interesting. Well, the vast majority of the ocean. floor is unexplored, right? And so, this is the theory is that if. you were going to set up a base here to. observe human beings, if you came from. somewhere else, you would probably do it in the ocean, especially if you have the kind of. technology that allowed them to travel. here from other star systems. would also allow them to not be. intimidated whatsoever. by the pressures. I mean that's I guess. the the deep pressure.

is what would be the uh. you know it's almost the opposite of. being in space you know the vacuum and. then you have the deep. right. pressure of of of you know that that. like you know with the. but there's videos of these things going. in the water and not creating a splash. Yeah. So like what is that? Is it a hologram? So, is it not a physical object or are. they doing something that allows them to. not interact with any physical thing on. Earth like some sort of a a void that.

they travel through? So, they can go through the trees. This. is like part of Jacques Valet's research. too in one of his books that was really. fascinating was this woman observed this. like eggshaped thing and when it took. off it went through the trees but it. didn't hurt the trees. Mhm. But it was on the ground like as a. physical object and when it took off it. went through the trees. Well, I wonder if then you you know. we're talking about like bending. spaceime. Yeah. At that point, are you creating some.

sort of like. u. uh warp? Yeah. You're creating some sort of. warp drive thing. That's the idea. you know, where where. you're just like warping space and time. around. a centralized location. You sort of have. to be, you know, use sort of the um you. know, the these like different sort of. exotic forms of matter and having an. understanding of exotic matter, which. we're now just starting to understand. that there are like are these exotic.

matter types that you know that that. work in these weird ways. as as we if you read about it now the. only information available is that we're. only like cracking the surface of the. understanding of these types of matter. and maybe hundreds of thousands of years. away from understanding that. but I mean you know that's old saying. that any technology that's sufficiently. advanced is indistinguishable from magic. is it Carl Sean said that I forget who. said that. but yeah I mean if you're looking at. something from.

a thousand years from now it would seem. like magic I mean, if if we continue we. don't blow ourselves up and science and. AI continue to figure out more. compelling. uses of. universal energy like whatever. background energy that we have. Yeah. Who knows? Who knows what what human. beings will be capable of. So, you got. to imagine if something's visiting us. from somewhere else, especially if they have artificial super. intelligence.

Yeah. if they've if they've traversed. this journey that we're on, if they've. gotten to the point where. whatever we're currently investig. whatever they're working on right now in. terms of like super intelligent AI, what. if they've gone through that and they're. a thousand years more advanced? All that. stuff would be probably simple for them. to be able to go through the water to. have these transmedium crafts that are. capable of flying in the air through the. water. Right. Well,

the the interesting question for. ourselves is is how do we get to a place. as a society to where we can trust in. our science? We can trust. to say that we trust it enough to fund. it, you know. Well, you that's not trusting the. science. The tr the problem is the human. beings are in possession of the science. Well, but that's what I mean. Like how. do we restore faith in that? And and. because there are there, you know, it's. not all [ __ ] There is real, you.

know, like we we wouldn't exist where we. are without the science that has brought. us to where we are. Yeah. Technology. and technology and and so understanding. and trusting and and and. and figuring out how to restore faith in. certain institutions that we have. because we need them to survive and to. keep going, you know. So it's like it's. like not tearing down the airplane while. it's falling. You have to repair the. airplane from inside, you know, and then. keep it flying if you can, you know? So.

is there a way to like write the ship. while we're in it? I think the problem is a lot of this. stuff is military funding, right? So a. lot of the applications for any sort of. like super advanced technology is going. to be weapon systems, right? And that's what everybody's terrified. of. What they're terrified of is that. you're going to develop more efficient. ways to kill people. Yeah. And that's really the only way these. things get funded. You know, they're not. gonna. No, that's the problem. I'm what I'm saying. I'm like, how do we.

how do we switch it so that we can, you. know, have people in power that really. are looking out for the future of. humanity. Yeah. And then have people that actually want. that. And because some people are going. to have to take sacrifices for that, you. know, in a way. And I mean people high. up are going to have to say, "Well, I'm. going to have to, you know, get paid a. little less because this, you know, it's a great struggle, Lucas. Great. struggle.". Yeah, it really is.

It's a great struggle. It's the great struggle of like people. in power, you know, don't necessarily. deserve power and and the kind of people. that you want running the world aren't. interested in the job. Oh, most of them. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Um well, yeah. Well, hey, brother. I really enjoyed. talking to you. Thank you very much for. being here. I appreciate you having me, Joe. And uh I encourage everybody to go see. you live because you're [ __ ] amazing. It was really an incredible performance. at the MCA thing. And uh I wish you all.

the best, man. It's been cool being your. friend, too. Enjoy talking to you. I enjoyed talking to you, too. That was. fun. Thank you. Uh tell everybody where they. can find you. Where's the best place to. find your music? Yeah. Um well on all the platforms of. course um uh we we're there and we're. going to we got a tour posted. Uh we're. going to come. um that's. live in concert. Oh, you're going. everywhere. You're like Johnny Cash. We're about to put out new dates too for. the fall. We're going to be all over the. east coast, the west coast. We're going.

to be everywhere. But this. Oh yeah. Sorry Kansas City. That [ __ ]. sold out. Sold out. Yeah, that was the ones coming up. Charlottesville, Virginia. Allentown, Pennsylvania. Oh, yeah. Those are May. I'm looking at. May. Yeah. Yeah. So, there's plenty of stuff coming up. for people that want to go. Montana is going to be great. Big Sky. Big Sky. Park City, Utah. Yeah. There you go. Wyoming. All right. Yeah, man. Thank you. It was fun. I. enjoyed it. All right. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause].

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