Joe Rogan Experience #2344 - Amjad Masad

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe. Rogan podcast by night. All day. What's up? What's up, man? Good. So, uh, having this, uh, big Counter-Strike. tournament in town, does that give you. the Joneses? Totally. Totally. you know, it's like your so your your your guy. Jason um was telling me about it. Uh cuz. you know, in addition to driving, he. also flies the uh uh helicopter and he.

told me like the Red Bull guys were like. flying off and there's like this big. tournament. I looked it up. I was like, "Oh, Counter-Strike." So, I used to be a. bit of a pro player myself. So, how do. you get out of pro playing? Because the. problem with like playing games is that. it's essentially like an eight hour a. day thing. like it becomes a giant chunk. of your life, right? And I would imagine. if you're playing pro, it's even more of. a commitment. You know, I I take a. different view on on games. You know, a. lot of people kind of view it as a as.

sort of somehow like a negative thing, especially for kids. Actually, my uh I. got my kid, my four-year-old, like a. Nintendo uh Switch early on. We're. playing together because I feel like for. me, it helped me a lot with like. strategy thinking, with reaction time. Mhm. I think like gamers tend to be can. think think really fast. And have you. seen the the studies that they've done. about surgeons? No. Tell me. Surgeons. that play video games regularly are much. less likely to make mistakes. I totally.

believe it. Yeah. Something in the. neighborhood of 25%. Is that what it is, Jamie? Something like that. But so much. so that I would say you should teach. video games to surgeons. Like it it. should actually be like a required thing. like cross trainining, right? Isn't the. army also recruiting from gamers today. as well? That's what I heard. Imagine. like drone pilots, right? I mean, that. would make a big difference, especially. if you can get them used to like the. same controllers. Totally. You know, because you know, those controllers kind. of become a part of your hand like you. know exactly where all the buttons are. And if you're a kid that's playing.

[ __ ] Counterstrike or whatever it is, Call of Duty every day. I would imagine. that that just becomes secondary nature. Yeah. What is the thing with surgeons? It's nuts, right? Look it up. It might. be higher than 25%. It was a very. particular kind of surgery though, too. But it was like uh I mean they're almost. using controllers on Yeah. But this that. they were making less mistakes. I I. don't think it's entirely negative. I. because I love games. I love playing. them. But I love them so much that I.

don't play them because I know I don't. have any time. It's Quake is your your. favorite game, right? Yeah. Yeah. So. here 27 Oh, 37% decrease in errors. That's wild. 27% faster task completion. time. That's nuts. And so those guys. grew up uh playing video game or did. they get to them on video games? Says. more than three hours per leap. I think. they were still playing when they were. doing the study. Yeah. So like that I. mean imagine something that you like a. pill you could take that would give you. a 37% decrease in errors and a 20 27%.

faster task completion. That would be an. incredible pill. Like you would you. would make every surgeon take it. Did. you take your video game pill before you. do surgery? Hey man, don't operate on my. [ __ ] brain unless you take your video. game pill. You know, that's that's uh. you know, next time I I need to have a. surgery or whatever, I'm just going to. ask the doctor if they're a gamer. How. much do you do, bro? But you know, Dave and I were talking. about the one thing and maybe that's. kind of showing showing our age a little. bit, but the one thing that's kind of.

like a little weird slash I don't. somehow like a little dystopian is the. whole streaming situation where like. kids are not like playing the game, they're like watching someone play the. game. Yeah, that's not good. And it's. like this zombifying thing where like. they'll they'll spend hours just. watching people. Yeah. Just tick. tocking. It's essentially like Tik Tok. but video games, right? Cuz Tik Tok is. kind of this mindless thing. You're just. scrolling through mindless things and. now you're mindlessly watching someone. else play a game. Yeah. Yeah. It's. almost like someone is like there's this.

strange thing with technology where like. someone is living life and doing things. and you're like sort of it's almost. voyerism or something like that about it. you know David Foser Wallace um you know. the guy from infinite just wrote a uh. wrote a a essay on on TVs and you know. he he he committed suicide before um. before like you know the emergence of of. mobile phones and things like uh but he. was very preient on the impact of.

technology on on on society and. especially on on America and he was also. like addicted to TV and he he talked. about how you know it activates some. kind of something in us that is uh you. know something in human nature about. voyerism and that's the thing that that. television and Tik Tok and things like. that activate and it's like this. negative addictive kind of behavior. that's like really bad for society. definitely think there's an aspect of. voyerism, but there's just a a dull.

drone of attention draw. There's a. dullness to it that just like sucks you. in like slack jaw. It is watching nonsense over and over. and over again that does just enough to. captivate your attention, but doesn't. excite you, doesn't stimulate you, doesn't necessarily inspire you to do. anything. That is the first fly we've. ever had in this room. Boom. Oh, you're. going to kill it. That was the You're a. nice person. That's like evil people. would have killed that fly right away.

But it's um it's just this thing where. it doesn't do a lot. It's not like you. know like Have you ever done Disney. World? Yeah. Do did you ever do Disney. World in Florida where you do that gira. There's the uh Avatar Ride? No, I I just. went to a California one. Okay. Yeah. The Avatar Ride is uh Flights of. Freedom. Flights of Passage. Fights of. passage. Um, you it's a VR game. Well, you know, a ride rather, and you put on.

a VR helmet and you get on this like. motorcycle looking thing, you're. essentially riding a dragon. It's. unbelievably engaging. It's incredible. It's the best ride I've ever been on in. my life. Like, you're flying around, you. feel the breeze, you're on this thing, and the sounds are incredible. That's. like engrossing, right? Like it takes. over you. Stimulating. Yeah. But that's. not what you're getting from like Tik. Tok or like streaming. You're getting. this, right? This dull. So, it's. sustainable. Yeah. I wonder which is.

worse, this or like opium habit or. something. I know people that have done opium that. are like functional. Yeah. You know, they can they can take pills and like. kind of I mean, I'm sure eventually. their life falls off the rails, but it's. like sort of semi they're semifunctional. when they're on these things. They can. hold down a job and show up every day. and they're just like semifunctional. opiate. There's a dude I watched like a. YouTube video, but like he's known for.

having this contrarian opinion on on. drugs that you can like control it like. you can you can do these drugs. What. does he look like? I don't know. Um I I. think he's a black dude. Uh oh, Carl. Hart. Dr. Carl Hart. Yeah. Yeah. He's. been here a couple times. He's great. What do you think of his ideas? I think it's entirely biologically. variable. Um I know people that cannot. drink. They they drink and then they're. gone. They get like hamster eyes like. like like get these black eyes where.

they're like their soul goes away and. then they're just off to the races and. picking up hookers and doing cocaine and. they find themselves in Guatemala. They just nuts. They can't drink. I can. drink. I I I don't I don't pretend that. the way my body handles alcohol is the. way everybody's body hand handles. alcohol. I think that's the the same. with everything. I think that's the same. most certainly with marijuana. I know. some people that just cannot smoke. marijuana and other people it's fine. Yeah. I think it's very we're all very.

different physically. It's interesting. Uh alcohol uh is um is sort of on the. downtrend all over America, but but uh. especially with young people uh. especially in Silicon Valley. Um. everyone there um listens to Huberman. I call him the grand mufty of Silicon. Valley cuz he'll say no no alcohol, no. drinking. Everyone's like don't drink. and like all the parties are now like. mocktails and and and things like that. and they're probably a lot of boring.

conversations unfortunately. Yeah, it's. a little boring. I mean it's the very. repetitive. It's all kind of like will. AI kill us and kind of. you guys would know better than anybody. Yeah, you guys are at the forefront of. it unfortunately. Yeah, I quit drinking. I drink quit. drinking over three months ago. Oh wow. I know you guys did used to do sober. October. Yeah. Yeah. And that wasn't. that hard. And you know, I was like, "Ah, it's going to be one whole month.". And then I did. I was like, "That's. pretty easy." But I I just had some.

revelations, I guess. And it's I think. the big one is just physical fitness. I. work out so much and I would drink and. go go to my club and have a couple, not. a lot either. Just have a few drinks and. the next day just feel like total [ __ ]. I think with with age especially, it. starts affecting you. It's always been. like that. It's always been like that. I've always been hung over after a night. of drinking, but it's you don't feel it. normally like in normal life. If I just. did normal stuff, it'd be fine. It's.

when you're in the gym that you notice, right? When you're doing like second and. third set of squats or something like. that, you're like, "Oh, god." Yeah. 100%. And I haven't had any bad days. since I quit drinking. Oh, cool. It I've. eliminated all that. And I'm like, just. that alone. is worth it. that just that alone it's. worth quitting. So, uh why do you think. there's a there's this trend? Is it is. it mostly for health? Like the Well, I. think there's a big health trend with a. lot of young people. I think a lot of.

young people are recognizing the value. of supplements and there's that fly. There's a difference between you and me. I'm going to kill this [ __ ]. First fly you've ever had in here, Jamie. That's kind of crazy. Been here. five years. One brought with me from. California. He he snuck in because. there's a lot of steps that [ __ ]. has to go through to get into this room. Um, I think a lot of people are very. health consscious. That's the the rise. of cold plunging and sauna use and, you. know, all these different things like. intermittent fasting where people are. really paying attention to their body.

and really paying attention and and. noticing that if you do follow these. steps, it really does make a significant. difference in the way you feel and maybe. more importantly um the way everything. operates, not just your body, but your. brain. It's like your your function, your cognitive function improves with. physical fitness. And you know, if. you're an ambitious person and you want. to do well in life, you want your body. to work well. It's your, you know, alcohol is not your friend. Yeah. And I. wonder how much of it is is your impact.

because those things you got me into all. these things you through your podcast. Um my my wife and I uh just built like. this a small kind of spa in our in our. home with like a cold plunge uh and a. and a sauna and a hot tub and I'll try. to do it every day. And you know um. something you say I keep saying to. myself is like conquer your inner [ __ ]. Yeah. It's like this such a good and I. feel like um cold plunge especially kind.

of um uh it's just something regardless. health benefits or not something about. it like just mental toughness like. trying to do it every day and every day. I chicken out every day. I'm like I. don't want to go in. Right. But uh I do. too. I My inner [ __ ] speaks the loudest. when I'm lifting the lid off the coal. plunge. My inner [ __ ] is like don't do. this. You don't have to do this. You can. do whatever you want. You're a free man. You can go have a sandwich, you know. Right. Right. But you just got to decide.

that you're the boss. Yeah. And and I. think uh a lot of what discipline is for. me is is that again even even keto and I. did carnivore and and these diets. Um. like I'm not sure how much health. benefits there is. I feel like keto is. is really good on your like blood sugar. keeps you kind of on a you know even. keel kind of through throughout the the. day. But for me, whenever there's like a. lot of chaos in my life, I look at what. can I control, right? And typically diet.

is the first thing. Whatever it is, I'm. like, I'm going to go carnivore. I'm. going to go keto. And the fact that I. can control that and and and enforce. discipline on myself kind of puts me. puts me at ease and I feel like I can. control the other thing in my business, family or or life. But that mindset is. probably how you stop playing video. games every day. Yeah. Because I would. imagine like we were talking about. earlier like that addiction is one of. the strongest addictions I've ever faced.

in my life, right? Like when I was talk. if I would be talking to people and the. conversation was boring, I'd be like I. could be playing Quake right now. Like. why am I here having this boring ass. conversation where I could be launching. rockets at people and having a good. time? But the other thing uh for me is. uh programming. So I got into. programming uh early in my life. Um, I. was 6 years old when my father bought a. computer. Uh, I was born and raised in. Aman, Jordan. Uh, and you know, we're. the like the first people in I know ever.

at the time that had a that had a. computer. And I remember what year was. this? 1993. I was 6 years old. Okay. So. 93. So what kind of computer was that? Was that like an old school IBM? IBM PC, MS DOS, Microsoft DOS. So you did the. real deal. Yeah. I know a lot of uh. Americans uh would would like get a Mac. as their first year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We uh No, we didn't have Mac. I actually. wasn't introduced to Apple until until. kind of recently in my in my life.

Really? Yeah. Like recently? Recently? Like No, like you know 12 years ago, 13. years ago when I moved to the US. God, Apple has such a strangle hold in. America. It's really incredible. Yeah. It's it's amazing. But you know, we we. didn't know much about it. So I got into. into DOSS. I remember one of my earliest. memories is, you know, standing behind. my father as he was kind of pulling up. this like a huge manual and like. learning how to like type commands and. he was like, you know, finger typing. those commands and and then I would like.

watch him and then and then after he. leaves I'll go and like try those things. and one day he caught me. He was like, "What are you doing?" Like I know how to. do this. I'll show you. And so I knew. how to like start games like do a little. bit of programming, do a little bit of. scripting and and you know that's how I. got into into computers and I was. obsessed and initially it sort of got me. into gaming but then you want to mod the. games. Have you ever done any modding? Um I've done a few things like turn. textures off and stuff like that and.

Yeah. Yeah. And that that's another. thing that I think is healthy about. gaming is like a gateway to programming. Sure. gateway drug to programming. And. so I got I got into that into like. modding like Counter Strike and things. like that. Those were fun. And then just. like the feeling that you can make. something is just like such a profound. Yeah. such a profound feeling. And. that's really kind of what I carried. through my whole life and became sort of. my life mission. Now with my company, Replet, what we do is like we make it so.

that anyone can become a programmer. Um, you just talk to your phone and your app. sort of like chat GPT and it starts. coding for you. It's like a program. software engineering agent, right? So. it's like the AI guides you through it. Yeah. Not only guides you through it. Uh, it codes for you. So you're you're. you're sort of, you know, you. programmers typically, you know, you. think about the idea a little bit about. the logic, but most of the time they're.

sort of wrangling the syntax and the it. of it all. Um, and I thought that was. always, you know, additional complexity. that doesn't necessarily have to be. there. And so when when I saw, you know, GBT for the first time, uh, I thought. this, you know, this could potentially. like transform programming and make it. accessible to more and more people. Uh, because it really transformed my life. You know, the reason I'm in America is. because I invented a a piece of. software. Uh, and I thought, you know, if you make it available to more people,

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Terms apply. See visible.com for plan. features and network management details. Yeah. So, my dad uh my dad is a. Palestinian refugee. Yeah, you were. telling me the story and I want to get. into that cuz it's kind of crazy. like. put tell the whole story of how this. wound up happening. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um my family is originally from from. Hifa which is now in Israel uh and they. were expelled as part of the 1948 Nakba. uh where where Palestinians were were. sort of kicked out and they went to like.

how does your dad describe that? How old. was he when that was going on? My father. was born in Syria. Uh so my um uh my uh. grandma and my grandpa and my uncles uh. were were were kind of kicked out and. and the way they would describe that is. uh they they they try to fight they try. to like keep their home but uh it was. like this overwhelming force. They they. weren't organized. It wasn't they were. just like people. It wasn't they didn't. really have an army at least in that in.

that place. and um and eventually at. gunpoint they they took their homes and. and tell them to go. Uh if if you're. down south you went to Gaza and that's. why like 70% of Gazans are refugees from. Israel like that the people that are you. know getting massacquered right now are. originally from Israel from the land. that we that people call Israel today. Um, and then if if you're in the north. like Hifa or Yafa, whatever, uh, you. went you went like to Lebanon, you or or. to the West Bank or to um or to to uh or.

to Jordan or Syria. So my family went to. Syria. My father was was born in Syria. But my grandfather was a like a railroad. engineer. Uh, so they were like, you. know, they were like city people. They. were urban. So they couldn't like you. know they wanted to to you know have a. place where where they can you know. there's there's uh uh they wanted to. live in a city um and so originally the. West Bank didn't work for them and they.

ended up in Syria but then Aman Jordan. was kind of coming up and there was a. lot of opportunities there so my father. was born in Syria and then moved to Aman. when they were 6 years old and built the. life there and they really kind of focus. on education and trying to kind of. rebuild their life from scratch. Uh so. my father um and all my uncles kind of. went and got educated in Egypt, Turkey, places like that. And so my father uh uh. got an engineering degree, civil.

engineering degree uh from from Turkey. Uh and he was always interested in in. technology. And that whole thing we're. kicking people out of Palestine is is. such an inconvenient story today. when. when people are talking about Israel and. Palestine and the conflict, they they do. not like talking about what happened in. 1948. Yeah. And I think it's important like I. think I think for us to to reach some. kind of peace, which is really hard to. talk talk about when when you see what's.

happened in Gaza even even yesterday, you know. Yeah. Yeah. The the people. that were waiting for food got bombed. Yeah. It's insane. And it no one wants. to talk about it, right? And and but but. if you if you do talk about it, you're. anti-Semitic. It's which is so strange. Like I do I don't know how they've. wrangled that. It's it's been hard for. me in in tech cuz you know like probably. the only you know prominent Palestinian. in tech that that that is talking about. it and so that's uh Do you get push. back? Oh, of course lots of like what do.

people say to you? Uh anti-semitic. Uh. how is it anti-semitic? I criticize the. state of Israel. our our position, every. moderate Palestinian that I know, their. position is like two-state solution. We. need the emergence of uh of the state of. Palestine, you know, uh and and that's. the best way to ending the occupation is. the best way to guarantee peace and u. and security even for Israelis. Um and.

uh but but yeah, it's it's just like. it's used it sort of reminds me, you. know, in in tech, we went through this. like quote unquote woke period where you. couldn't talk about certain things as. well. Um and uh has that gone away? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally gone away. Yeah. What do you what do you think. caused it to go away? Um Elon really? Yeah. Like Twitter. Buying Twitter. buying Twitter is the single most. impactful thing for free speech uh.

especially on on these issues um of of. being able to you know um talk talk. freely about a lot of subjects that are. more sensitive. Imagine if he didn't buy. it. Yeah. I mean that would have imagine. if the same ownership was in place and. they and then Harris wins and they. continue to ramp things up. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what what you. think of of of the new new. administration. I certainly there are. things that I like about and some of. their prot uh you know posture and.

things like that, but you know what's. happening now is you know it's kind of. disappointing. It's insane. We were told. there would be no Well, there's two. things that are insane. One is the. targeting of migrant workers. Not cartel. members, not gang members, not drug. dealers, just construction workers. showing up in construction sites and. raiding them, gardeners. Yeah. Like. really? Or stu or Palestinian students.

um on college campuses. uh or or not. like there's a Turk did you see this. video of this uh Turkish students at TUS. University that wrote an essay and then. uh there's a video of like ICE agents. like I don't know is that a woman Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was her essay about? It. was just critical of Israel, right? Just. critical of Israel. Yeah. I mean and. that's enough to get you kicked out of. the country. I mean there's a there's a. long history of of of anti-colonial. activism in US colleges, you know, that.

led to to, you know, South Africa. changing and all of that. And I I think. this is a continuation of that. I I. mean, I don't agree with all their like. a lot of there's a lot of radicalism. uh. a lot of young people are attracted to. like more radical positions on on Israel. Palestine and um I which I don't mind. those positions as long as someone's. able to counter those positions, right? The problem is these supposed free. speech warriors want want to silence. anybody who has a more conservative.

opinion. That's not the way to handle. it. The way to handle it is to have a. better argument. That's not American. American. I mean what attracted him as. country you know from you know you from. the moment u that was aware and we. started like consuming American media. and American culture is is freedom is. the concept of freedom which I think is. real I think is real it is I was. watching this um psychology student from. I think it's I think he's from Colombia. but he has a page on Instagram I wish I. could remember his name because he's. very good he's a young guy but he had a.

very important point and it was. essentially that fascism rises as the. overcorrection response to communism and. that we essentially had this Marxist. communism rise in. first universities and then it made its. way into. into business because these people left. the university and then found their way. into corporate America and then they. were essentially instituting those and. then the blowback to that the push back.

is this fascism and that was that like. last century. No. Well, they're talking. about now forever historically. He's. talking about like over time, whether. it's Mao, whether it's Stalin, like. fascism is the response almost always to. communism. Interesting. And that you. know what we're what we we experience. with this country is this continual. overcorrection. Overcorrection to the.

left, then overcorrection to the right. to counter that. And the people that are. the R, that's the guy. Anthony Rispo. That's it. Really, really smart guy. And. very interesting thing, Jamie. How'd you. nail that that quick? Good job, buddy. Uh, you said those words right as I saw. decades of training. Yeah. Communism. Fascism. Yeah. Communism came first. Fascism came response. Now today's left. tears down norms and destabiliz the. country under the guise of progress. We're watching the conditions for.

another reaction build. History doesn't. repeat, but it echoes. Yeah. Do do you. know this uh uh this like theory? I know. you you've had Mark Andre uh on the. show. This uh James Burnham managerial. revolution theory. No, not not by hand. I'm I'm not an expert in it, but like. the the idea is that um like communism, fascism and and even some form of. capitalism that sort of we're living. under right now is like managerialism is. the idea that you know capitalism. capitalism used to be this idea that the.

um the owner founders of those companies. of you know uh capitalist companies were. running them. Um and uh and it was like. a it was like true capitalism of sorts. But uh both uh you know communism and. fascism uh share this property of uh. centralized control and like a class of. people that are sort of managerials. And.

maybe those are the elite sort of Ivy. Ivy League students that are trained to. be managers and and and they they grow. up in the system kind of bred to become. like managers of these companies and. today's America is like trending that. way where it is like a managerial. society. Uh in Silicon Valley there's like a. reaction to that right now. uh people. call it founder mode where a lot of. founders felt like they were losing.

control of their companies because. they're hiring all these managers and. these managers are running the companies. like you would run um City Bank and and. then you know a lot of founders were. like no we need to we need to run those. companies like we built them and Elon is. like obviously at the forefront of that. right I once uh visited uh XAI when they. were just starting out Elon's AI company. uh and there were like 70 people all of. them reported to Elon. They didn't have.

a single manager on staff. Wow. Uh and. they would send him an email every week. I was like, "What what did you get done. this week?" Right. Well, that was the. outrageous thing that he asked people to. do at Doge. Yeah. Yeah. And people were. freaking out. Five minutes a week. What. What are the things you accomplished. this week? How you know? He said all you. have to do is respond, right? And they. didn't want they push back so hard on. being accountable for their work. Yeah. But that's government for you. Yeah. You. know, I mean, government is the grossest.

most incompetent form of business. You. know, it's a monopoly. It's complete. total monopoly. Like the way he. described some of the um things that. they found at Doge, it's like you could. never run a business that way cuz not. only would it not be profitable, the. fraud would get you arrested. You would. you would go to jail for something. that's standard in the government. Right. Right. Yeah. I I mean my my. opinion of of uh you know pe talented.

people people like Elon things like that. um is that we should be in the in the. free market. Um I I think you know uh. there's you can do little change in in. government. Uh as best we can sort of. expect of government to to get out of. the way of like innovation. let let uh. people let founders entrepreneurs uh. innovate and make the market more. dynamic. But again going back to this. idea of managerialism like if you look. at the history of America like one like.

really striking stat is like the uh new. firm creation new startups in in the. United States have been like trending. down for a long time. Although there's. all the stock of startups in Silicon. Valley and and all of that, but in. reality there's less entrepreneurship. than there used to be and instead we. have the system of conglomerates and. really big companies and uh monopsiny. which is the idea that um like there the. the banks or black rockck like owning. competitors as well owning all these.

companies and they implicitly collude. because they have the same owners and. all of that is is sort of anticmpitive. Um, so the market has gotten uh less. dynamic over time. And this is also part. of the reason I'm excited about our. mission at at Replet to to make it so. that anyone can build a business. Uh, actually on the way here, your driver. Jason is a is a fireman. And so I was. telling him about u about our business. And he does he does training for other. firemen around the country. He, you. know, flies around and he does it out of.

pocket and uh just just for the for the. love of the game. and and he was like, "Yeah, I I've had this idea for a. website so I can like scale my teaching. I can like um you know, make it known. when where am I going to be giving a. course, put the material online." And we. were like brainstorming potentially this. could be could be a business. And I feel. like everyone like not everyone but like. a lot of people have business ideas but. they are constrained by their ability to.

make them. And then you go, you try to. find a software agency and they quote. you uh sort of a ton of money. Like we. have a lot of stories, you know, there's. there's this guy, his name is uh Joan. Cheney. He's a uh uh user of our. platform. He's a serial entrepreneur, but whenever he wanted to try ideas, he. would like spends hundreds of thousands. of dollars to to kind of spin up an idea. off the ground. And now he uses Replet. to to try those ideas really quickly. and um he recently make an app in like a. a number of weeks, like three, four,

five weeks that that made him $180,000. So on its way to, you know, generate. millions of dollars. Um and and because. he was able to build a lot of businesses. and try them really quickly, right, without the big investment, without the. big investment, without other people, uh. which you know, at some point you need. more collaborators, but early on in the. brainstorming and in the prototyping. phase, you want to test a lot of ideas.

And so it's sort of like 3D printing, right? like 3D printing although you. know people don't think it had a lot of. impact on on industry is actually very. useful for prototyping um I remember. talking to uh Jack Dorsey about this and. early on in in uh Square they would um. you know they they had this uh Square. device and it was amazing you would plug. it into the headphone jack to accept. payments do you remember that uh and so. they uh a lot of what they did to kind. of develop the form factor was using 3D. printing because it's a lot faster to.

kind of iterate and prototype and test. with users. And so software, you know, over time, like when I was, you know, I. explained how when I was growing up, it. was kind of easier to get into software. cuz you boot up the computer and you get. the MS DOS, you get the it immediately. invites you to program in it, whereas. today you, you know, buy a, you know, iPhone or tablet or and it is like a. purely consumer. It has like all these. amazing colors and does all these.

amazing things and kids get used to it. very quickly, but it doesn't invite you. to to program it and and and therefore. we we kind of lost that sort of hacker. ethos. There's le less programmers, less. people who are making things uh because. they got into it organically. It's more. like they go to school to study computer. science because someone told them you. have to study computer science. And I. think making software needs to be more. like a like a trade. like you don't. really have to go to school and spend. four or five years and hundreds of.

thousands of dollars uh to to learn how. to make it. Um well, what I'm hearing. now is that young people are being told. to not go into programming because AI is. essentially going to take all of that. away that you're just going to be able. to use prompts. You're just going to be. able to say, I want an app that can do. this, right? I want to be able to scale. my business to do that. You know, what. should I do? Yeah. So that's that's. that's what we build. That's what replet. is. It automates the But do you agree. with that that young people shouldn't.

learn programming or do you think that. there's something very val about. valuable about being able to actually. program? Look, I I think that you will. always. uh get value from knowledge. I mean, that's a timeless thing, right? You. know, it's like it's like, you know, you. and I are are into cars, right? like um. I don't really have to, you know, tune. up my car anymore. But like it's useful. to know more about cars. It's fun to. know about cars. You know, if if. something happens, if you know, if I go. to the mechanic and he's you doing work.

on my car, I know he's not going to scam. me because I can understand what he's. doing. It is, you know, knowledge is. always useful. And so I think people. should learn as much as they can. And I. think the difference though Joe is that. when I was coming up in programming you. learned by doing whereas you know it. became this sort of like very um sort of. traditional uh type of learning where. you you it's like a textbook learning. whereas I think now we're back with AI.

we're back to an era of learning by. doing like when you go to our app uh you. see just you know text prompts but. couple clicks away you'll see the code, you'll be able to read it. You'll be. able to ask the machine what you did. there. Teach me how this code piece of. code works. Oh, that's cool. Uh, and so, you know, a lot of kids are learning. Kids are such sponges, too. They're such. sponges. They're learning. Kids already. know way more about I'm like, "How did. you do that with your phone?" And my. daughter, you do this, I got that. Get. their little thumbs moving 100 miles an.

hour. Yeah, exactly. How'd you figure. that out? Tik Tok. What? Dude, the. craziest thing is we have a lot of. people making software from their phone. They'll spend eight hours on their phone. because we have an app. They'll spend. eight hours on their phone kind of. making software. Wow. And that's better. than watching TikTok. You know, it makes. me makes me very happy about that. And. so we You're accomplishing something. Mhm. Yeah. You're making creation. droning. The act of creation is divine. Yeah. Um we uh we just announced a.

partnership with the uh government of uh. Saudi Arabia where they want their. entire population essentially to learn. how to make software using AI. Uh so. they have they set up this new company. called Humane and the Humane is this uh. you know uh end toend value chain. company for AI all the way from chips to. to software and they're partnering with. a lot of American companies as part of. the um you know the uh uh the coalition. that went to Saudi like a few months ago.

uh with President Trump to do the deals. with the with the Gulf region. Um, and. so they're doing deals with AMD, um, you. know, Nvidia, a lot of other companies. And so we're one of the companies that. partnered with the Humane. And so we. want to bring AI coding to literally. every student, every government. employee, every because the thing about. it is it's not just entrepreneurs that's. going to get uh something from it. It's. also if you're So my view of the future. where AI is headed is everyone's going. to become an entrepreneur. Really? Yeah. And so you know, so this.

is the best case scenario future. Yes. as opposed to everyone goes on universal. basic income and the state controls. everything and it's all That's right. everything is done through automation. I. don't believe in that. You don't? I. don't. I don't. Okay. Good. Help me out, man. Give me that give me the positive. rosecolored glasses view of what AI is. going to do for us. Yeah. So AI is good. at automating things. I think there's a. there's a premisy to to human beings. still. Like I think humans are so so.

fundamentally the technology that we. have uh large language models today um. are statistical machines that are. trained on large amounts of data and. they can do amazing things. I'm so. bullish on AI like I think it's going to. change the world but at the same time I. I don't think it's replacing humans. because there's it's not generalizing. right um AI is like a massive remixing. machine it can remix all the information. it learned and you can generate a lot of.

really interesting ideas and really. interesting things and you can have a. lot of skills by remixing all these. things but uh we have no evidence that. it can like generate a fundamentally. novel thing or or like a paradigm change. like can you go can a machine go from. Newtonian physics to like quantum. mechanics like really have a fundamental. disruption in how we understand things. or how we do things do you think that. takes creativity I think that's.

creativity for sure and that's a. uniquely human characteristic. for now for now definitely for now I. don't know forever um actually one of my. favorite uh JRE uh episodes was uh Roger. Pendrose. Do you remember him? Yes. So, do you remember the argument uh that he. made about why humans are special? He he. said something like um he believes there. are things that are true that only.

humans can know it's true but machines. cannot prove it's true. Um it's based on uh Girdle's uh. incompleteness theorem and the idea is. that you can construct a mathematical. system where. it can um where it has a a paradoxical. statement. Uh so for example you can say. um. g uh like you can say this statement is. not provable in in the machine or like.

the machine cannot prove this statement. Um and so if the machine uh proves the. statement then that statement is false. So you have a paradox. uh and therefore the the statement uh is. sort of true from the uh perspective of. an observer like a human but uh but it. is not provable in this system. So, Roger Pinrose says these paradoxes that. are not really resolved in mathematics. and and machines are are no problem for.

humans and therefore his sort of like a. bit of a leap is that therefore there's. something special about humans and we're. not fundamentally a computer. Um, right that makes sense. I mean, whatever creativity is, whatever allows. you to make poetry or jazz or. literature, like whatever, whatever allows you to imagine something. and then put it together and edit it and.

figure out how it resonates correctly. with both you and whoever you're trying. to distribute it to. There's something. to us that's different. I mean we don't. really have a theory of consciousness. and I think it's like sort of hubris to. think that um that like consciousness. just like emerges. It's plausible like. I'm not totally you know against this. idea that you you built a sufficiently. intelligent thing and suddenly it is. conscious. Uh but but there's no there's.

no it's it's like a religious belief um. that that a lot of Silicon Valley have. is that you know there's um you know. consciousness is is just like a um side. effect of of intelligence. um or that consciousness is not needed. for intelligence. uh somehow it's like this super uh. superfluous thing and they try not to. think or talk about consciousness. because actually consciousness is hard. hard to define hard to define hard to. understand scientifically it's what uh I.

think Chalmer's calls the hard problem. of of consciousness. um but but you know I I think it is. something we need to grapple with we we. have one example of uh general. intelligence which is human beings and. human beings have very important. property that we can all feel which is. consciousness and that property we don't. know how it happens how it emerges. people like Roger Penrose are like um uh. you know they have they have these uh.

theories about quantum mechanics in. microtubil tubils I don't know if you. got got into that with him but um uh I. think he has a collaborator. neuroscientist Hammeroff I think or. something like that um and uh but people. have so many I'm not talking I'm not. saying Penrose is is just has the. answers but the like it's something that. philosophers have grappled with forever. and um there are a lot of there are a.

lot of interesting theories like the. there's this theory that uh. consciousness is is primary meaning like. the material world is a projection of. our collective consciousness. Yes. Yeah. That is a very confusing but interesting. theory. And then there's there's a lot of. theories that everything is conscious. We just don't have the ability to. interact with it. You know, Sheldrake. has a very strange view of. consciousness. Sheldrake. Rupert.

Sheldrake. I don't know. Um his he's got. this concept. I think it's called. morphic resonance. And see if you can find that so we could. define it so I don't butcher it. But. there's people that believe that. consciousness itself is something that. everything has and that we are just. tuning into it. Morphic res, a theory. proposed by Rupert Sheldick suggests. that all natural systems from crystals. to human inherit a collective memory of.

the past instances of similar systems. This memory influences their form and. behavior making nature more habitual. than governed by fixed laws. Essentially, past patterns and behaviors. of organisms influence present ones. through connections across time and. space. That's wild. And and is he is he a. scientist or is this more more like a. new What is his exact background? Harvard. Oh wow. Yeah. Okay. So he's a. uh parasychology researcher proposed a.

concept of morphic resonance conjecture. that lacks mainstream acceptance has. been widely criticized by as. pseudocience. Of course. Yeah. Anything. interesting that that sounds interesting. though. Yeah. But um there are. philosophers that have a sort of a. similar idea of of um uh of like this uh. sort of universal consciousness and like. humans are like getting a slice of that. consciousness. Every one of us is. tapping into some uh sort of universal. consciousness. Yes. By the way, I think.

I think there are like some psychedelic. people that think the same thing that. like when you take a psychedelic, you're. just like peering into that universal. consciousness. Yes. Yeah, that's the. theory cuz it's that's also the the most. unknown. I mean, the the the experience. is so baffling that people come back and. the human language really lacks any. phrases, any words that sufficiently. describe the experience. So, it's you're.

left with this very stale, flat, one-dimensional. way of describing something that is. incredibly complex. Yeah. So, it always. feels even the descriptions, even like. the great ones like Terrence McKenna and. Allen Watts, like Yeah. their. descriptions fall very short of the. actual experience. Nothing about it. makes you go, "Yes, that's it. He nailed. It's always like kind of yeah kind of. that's it. Do you still do it? Not much.

You know it's super illegal. unfortunately. That's that's a real. problem. It's a real problem I think. with our world the western world is that. we have thrown this uh blanket. this blanket phrase. You know we talk. about language being insufficient. The. word drugs is a terrible word to. describe everything that affects your. consciousness or affects your body or. affects you know performance. You know.

you have performance-enhancing drugs you. know like steroids and then you know you. have amphetamines and then you have. opiates and you have highly addictive. things that keep coffee nicotine and. then you have psychedelics. I don't. think psychedelics are drugs. I I think. it's a completely different thing. It's. really hard to get addicted to them, right? Well, it's almost impossible. I. mean, you could get you could certainly. get psychologically addicted to. experiences. And I think there's also a. real problem with people who use them.

and think that somehow or another they. are just from using them gaining some. sort of advantage over normal society. And that's that's Do you think that's. true? I think it's a spiritual. narcissism that some people, you know. what I mean? I think it's very it's it's. very foolish and it's a trap, you know? I think it's like it's it's a similar. trap that like famous people think. they're better than other people because. they're famous. You know what I mean?

Like Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I felt that with. uh with a lot of people who get into. sort of more eastern philosophy is that. is that there there's a there there's. this thing about them where it feels. like there's like this air of arrogance. arrogance that like I know something. more than you know. Right. Right. Right. And that's what they they hold it over. you. That's the trap. But that doesn't. mean that there's not valuable lessons. in there to learn. I think there are. And I think there's valuable perspective.

enhancing aspects to psychedelic. experiences that we are we're denying. people, you know, you're you're denying. people this potential for spiritual. growth, like legitimate spiritual. growth, like healing, personal Yeah. healing. Like there's uh well, the IBA. game thing they're trying to do in. Texas, I think, is amazing. And they. passed this. So, this is also with the. help of former Governor Rick Perry, who. is a Republican, but he's seen what an. impact Iba has had on soldiers. Yeah. And all these people that come back from.

horrible PTSD and, you know, suicidal, we lose so many servicemen and women to. suicide. And this has been shown to have. a tremendous impact. Yeah. And so. because of the fact that a guy like Rick. Perry stuck his neck out who's, you. know, a Republican former governor, you. would think last person ever, right? But. because of his experiences with veterans. and his love of veterans and people that. have served this country, they've passed. that in Texas, I think that's a a really. good first step. Yeah. And the the great.

work work that MAPS has done. um maps. working with uh with MDMA primarily. through with doing the same thing and. working with people that have PTSD. Yeah, there's so many beneficial. compounds. Yeah. Ketamine is is one I. think that's a lot of research happening. right now on on depression uh. specifically, right? Yeah. So, there's quite a bit there's quite a. bit of research. Have you heard I don't.

know if it's true, but have you heard of. um uh mushrooms healing long CO? I don't know what long CO means because. everybody I've talked to that has long. CO was also vaccinated. Um I think long CO is vaccine injury. That's what I think. I think in a lot of. cases. So there's there is such a thing. as like the postviral. uh malaise or or effect. It's always. been there. Sure. Well, there's a. detrimental effect that it has to your. overall biological health, right? You.

know, your overall metabolic health, but. what what causes someone to not rebound. from that? What causes someone to. rebound fairly easily? Well, mostly it's. metabolic health, you know, other than. like extreme biological variabilities, vulnerabilities that certain people have. to different things, you know, obviously. Yeah. Maybe that's why I. think uh so there's a lot of these. longcoid protocols. Metformin is usually. part of it. So maybe that's that acts on. your met metabolic system. Well, yeah,

Metformin is one of the anti-aging. protocols that Sinclair uses and a lot. of these other people that are into. anti-aging movement. Yeah. You know, I. uh I had this like weird thing happen uh. where I started like feeling fatigued uh. like a couple few years ago and I would. like sleep uh hours and the more I sleep. the more tired I get in the morning. Did. you get blood work done? I got blood. work done and I uh there were some.

things about it that um that I need to. fix and I fixed all of them. Um what was. off? loss uh you know uh uh you know. blood sugar in the morning um. cholesterol uh which I don't know some. people don't believe but you know all my. numbers got better vitamin D everything. got better but uh and and I could feel. Did the fatigue get better? No I could. feel marginal improvement but the. fatigue did not did not get better. Um. and were you vaccinated? No I Good for.

you. That's hard to do in Silicon. Valley. Yeah. Um, yeah, I tend to have a. negative reaction to anyone forcing me. to do something. Good for you. Was the. same thing now with like this, you know, talking about Palestine and things like. that. Like the more they they come at. me, the more I want to say things. It. just it's not always a good thing, but I. think um, you know, I grew up this way. I've always kind of looked different and. like, you know, felt different. Well,

there's a reality to this world that. there's a lot of things that people just. accept that you're not allowed to. challenge that are deeply wrong. Yeah. And with regards to the vaccine, um I. was also informed about it. Like it was. clear early on that it wasn't a home. run. Um it wasn't um well, first of all, it wasn't going to stop the spread. So, it was that was that was a lie. Um and. uh the heart condition, young men, yeah, it was real. And I had friends that that. had this issue. Yeah. And so if if.

you're if you're um if you're healthy. and like why why why you know why take. the vaccine? It doesn't stop the spread. You can still get the virus. I'll tell. you why. What? Money. Yeah. It's the. only reason why. It's the only reason. why. The only reason why they wanted to. make an enormous amount of money. And. the only way to do that is to. essentially scare everyone into getting. vaccinated. Force coersse. Do whatever. you can. mandated at businesses whatever. you can mandate it for travel do.

whatever you can shame people that's. that's the thing that is really. disheartening about American culture. today is and again I I love America like. it it afforded me so much I'm like you. know like I'm the like walking evidence. of the American dream being possible. coming with literally nothing that's. what I really love about immigrants that. love America like they know they've been. other places they know that this really. is a very unique place, right? And and. the speech thing is interesting because.

uh when when something happens, there's. this I don't know, you can call them. useful idiots or whatever, but that. there's this suppression that. immediately happens. Yes. And we're. seeing it right right now with the war. in uh in in Iran um where any descending. voices are just like hit with. overwhelming force. Don't you think that. a lot of that is coordinated though? I. think with social media, well, you know, we've talked about that museum, but I. think I don't think it was coordinated. with co like the two weeks to stop the.

spread. It was just like but it was. coordinated and also people joined in. Yeah. Yeah. May maybe there was a. message pushed top down and then and. then the uh Yeah. It's not all. coordinated. It's coordinated first and. and and still, but then a bunch of. people do the the man's work for the. man. I I I think it comes from a good. place. Like I a lot of people want to. trust the authorities uh like they you. know they're like pro-science they view. themselves as enlightened like the.

educated liberal type you know uh. rational educated and uh but but um I I. think they're naive about the uh uh the. corruption in our institutions and and. the the corruption of of money. specifically. Uh and so they they parrot. these uh these things and become overly. aggressive at like suppressing. dissenting voices. Yes. It becomes a. religious thing almost. But here's the.

sort of white pale about America. Uh. then there are voices like yours and and. others um that uh that that create this. push back that and you took a like a big. hit. you know, it's probably was very. stressful for you, but like you know, you could see there's this push back and. then and then there it starts opening up. and maybe people can talk about it a. little bit and and then slowly opens up. and now there's a discussion and so I. think you know I said you know something.

right now about America is challenging. but also the flip side of that is. there's this correction mechanism and. again the with the opening up of. platforms like Twitter and other by the. way a lot of others copied it. You know, you had Zuck here. You know, I I worked. at Facebook. I know that was very um you. know, very uh you know, let's say I. think he always held free speech in high. regard, but there was a lot of people in. the company that that didn't. Yes, I.

would agree with that. And uh and and. and there was suppression, but but then. now it's it's it's the other way around, I would say, with the exception of of of. the question of Palestine and Gaza. But. even even that even that is uh even that. is is is getting better. A lot of. there's at least some push back. It's. available. It's just it's not promoted. You know, you it's interesting. You're. you not not to continuously I I don't. mean to kind of um uh you know uh I I've.

been really impressed with um Theon Tim. Dylan. um they're, you know, uh they're sincere. and they're um they're looking at at. what's happening in Gaza and they're. seeing images and they're saying this is. not what we should be as America. We. should we should be pro pro-life, pro. peace. Yeah. Um and and I really. appreciate that and and that's starting. to to open up. Um I think in the future.

that will be the primary way people look. at it. just the way like the way a lot. of people opposed the Vietnam War in the. late60s, but it was, you know, you would. get attacked. And I think now people. realize like that was the correct. response. And I think in the future. people realize the correct response is. like this is not. the Yeah, October 7th was awful. Absolutely terrible attack. But also. what they've done to Gaza is [ __ ].

insane. It's insane. And if you can't. see that, if you can't say that and you. all your response is Israel has the. right to defend itself, like what are. you talking about? Against what? Children, against women and children. that are getting blown apart. Against. aid workers that are getting killed. Yeah. Like what are you talking about? Like you we can't have a rational. conversation if you're not willing to. address that. Yeah. I I think their. heart is hardened. If if I'm trying to. be as chatterable as as possible, like.

um the Israelis specifically maybe from. the uh October 7, what they saw there, their heart is hardened. And I think a. lot of people, especially on the uh. Republican side, they're unable to see. the Palestinians as as as humans, especially as uh as as people with. emotions and feelings and and and all of. that. And like imagine if that was. happening in Scandinavia, you know. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's. it's very strange.

My kid um my 5-year-old uh kid uh called. me two days ago. They're in Aman uh. Jordan. They're visiting uh um their. grandparents. And um I was in the car and he I I it. was FaceTime and the moment the camera. opened he's like, "Uh, what are you. doing? Why are you outside? There are. sirens, there are rocket, you have to go. inside. And I'm like, uh, data, like I I. am in California. We don't have sirens.

and and rockets. Uh, and then I asked. him like, are you are you afraid? Because you're hearing that for this is. a California kid. Like this is, you. know, he's never, you know, he didn't. have the upbringing that I had. And and. so this is the first time he's getting. exposed to I don't think he understands. what war is, of course. And I was like, are you afraid? It's like, "No, I'm. afraid that other people are uh you. know, I I want everyone to be okay." Um. and and uh but I know he was he was.

shook by it and um I took him out. I um. you know, they're on their way back. I. just couldn't uh deal. It's just a bad. place to be right now. But but also like. this conversation is happening in the in. the West Bank. It's happening in Israel. It's happening in Gaza. You know, people. want peace. People want want to live. People want to trade. People want to. build. Yeah. And this is what I made my. life mission about is about giving. people tools to build to improve their. lives. And and I think we're just led by.

maniacs. And and so Exactly. That's. exactly what it is. You have people that. are in control of large groups of people. that convince these people that these. other large groups of people that they. don't even know are their enemies. Mhm. And those large groups of people are. also being convinced by their leaders. that those other groups of people are. their enemies. And then rockets get. launched and it's [ __ ] insane. And. the fact that it's still going on in. 2025 with all we know about corruption.

and the theft of resources and and power. and influence. It's crazy that this is. still happening. I'm really hoping the. internet is finally reaching its. potential to start to open people's. minds and and and remove this like veil. of propaganda and ignorance. Uh because. it was starting to happen in like 2010, 2011 and then you saw YouTube start to. to to close down. You saw Facebook start.

to close down. Twitter. Um, and and. suddenly we had like this period of of. darkness, censorship, censorship. between, you know, definitely ramped up. in 2015. And I think with good intention. initially, I think the people that were. censoring thought they were doing the. right thing. They thought they were. silencing hate, right, and. misinformation. And then the craziest. term, malinformation. Yeah, malin is the. one that drives me the most nuts because. it's actual factual truth that might be.

detrimental to overall public good. Like. what does that mean? Are we are people. infants? Are they unable to decide that. whether this factual information h how. to use that and how to how to have a. more nuanced view of the world with this. factional factual information that's. inconvenient to the people that are in. power, right? That's crazy. That's. crazy. It's it's an. You're turning adults into infants and. you're turning the state into God. Yep.

And that's this is the secular religion. This is the religion of people that are. atheists. The West was never about that. The West was about individual liberty. and it should be and and the idea that. we have um functioning brains and minds. We're conscious. We can make decisions. We can get information and data and make. our own opinions of things. But and we. we should be able to see people that are. wrong. You should be able to see people. that are saying things that are wrong.

that you disagree with. And then it's. your job or other people's job to have. counterarguments. And the counterarguments should be. better. Yep. And then debate. Yeah. And. that's how we learn and that's how we. grow. This is not like a pill that fixes. everything. This is a slow process of. understanding. It's top down control. It's the managerial society is, you. know, it is not that different from. fascism and communism and and all of. that stuff. They all share the same. thing. There's like an elite group of. people that know everything and they.

need to manage everything and we're all. plebs, you know, matter. That's what's. crazy is elite group of people. I've met. a lot of them. They're [ __ ] flawed. human beings and they shouldn't have. that much power cuz no one should have. that much power. And this is I think. something that was one of the most. beautiful things about Elon purchasing. Twitter is that it opened up discussion. Yep. Yeah. You've got a lot of hate. speech. You've got a lot of like. legitimate Nazis and crazy people that. are on there too that weren't on there. before. But also, you have a lot of. people that are recognizing actual true.

facts that are very inconvenient to the. narrative that's displayed on mainstream. media. And because of that, mainstream. media has lost an insane amount of. viewers, right? and their relevancy like. the the the trust that people have in. mainstream media is at an all-time low. as it should be because you can watch. and I'm not even saying right or left. watch any of them on any like very. important topic of world events and you. see the propaganda it's like it's so.

obvious it's like for children it's like. this is so dumb why do you think people. fall for it so boomers man boomers are. the problem it's old people. It's old. people that don't use the internet or. don't really truly understand the. internet and really don't believe in. conspiracies. Like [ __ ] Stephen King. the other day, who I love dearly. I am a. giant Stephen King fan, especially when. he was doing cocaine. I think he's the. greatest writer of all time for for. horror fiction. But he tweeted the other.

day, I'm sorry to like see if you could. find it. Something about uh Is Twitter? I think he went to Blue Sky. Oh, he. bailed on Blue Sky. They all bail on. Blue Sky. Everyone bails on blue sky. Um. that there is no deep state. [ __ ] what was the total thing of it? Something about the deep state. But it. was such a goofy tweet. It's like this. is like boomer logic personified. in a tweet by a guy who really someone.

needs to take his phone away because. it's [ __ ] ruining his old books for. me. But it's not like I recognize he's a. different human now and he's really. really old and he got hit by a van and. he's all [ __ ] up. But this Can you. find it? Cuz you it really it was like yesterday. or the day before yesterday. I just. remember looking at and go this is why. I'm off social media. I was trying to. stay off social media but somebody sent. it to me and I was like Jesus [ __ ].

Christ Stephen King. Did you find it? Yeah. Here it is. I hate to be the bear of bad news, but. there's no Santa Claus, no teeth, no. tooth fairy. Also, no deep state and. vaccines aren't harmful. These are stories for small children and. those too credulous to disbelieve them. That is boomerism. That is boomerism. And meanwhile, Brock counters it right. away. Look at this. So someone says,

"Grock, which vaccines throughout. history are pulled from the market. because they're found to be harmful and. why?" And Grock says, "Several vaccines. have been withdrawn due to safety. concerns, though such causes are rare. Roto virus vaccine." Well, there's a lot. more because this is all was especially. bad about Oh, yeah. The Yeah. The 1955. cutter incident. Polio vaccine was. called live virus killed caused over. 250. Click on show more. Yeah, there's. Oh, I got the fly. Nice. uh Gileian Bar,

however you say that, that's the one. where people get their half their face. paralyzed. Um there's a there's a lot. and this is the other thing is the the. VE system that we have is completely. rigged because it's it reports a very. small percentage and most doctors are. very unwilling to u to submit vaccine. injuries. Can can people go on their own. and submit? I don't know. You have to go. to a doctor. I don't think so. I don't. think a human being is allowed, a.

patient is allowed. I I might be wrong. though. But the, you know, the real. interest, there's a financial interest. in vaccines. There's a financial. interest that doctors have in. prescribing them. And doctors have. they're financially incentivized to. vaccinate all of their patients. And. that's a problem. That's a problem. because they want that money. And so, you know, um um what what is Mary's um. Mary Tally? Is it Bowden? She's. hyphenated. She was talking about on.

Twitter that if she had vaccinated all. of her patients in her very small. practice, she would have made an. additional $ 1.5 million. Oh wow. That's. real money. Yeah, you know that then. that really obviously she's got. tremendous courage and you know and she. was uh you know she went through hell. dealing with the. universities and newspapers and media. calling her some sort of quack and crazy. person. But what what she's saying is.

absolutely 100% true. There's there's. financial incentives that are put in. place for you to ignore vaccine injuries. and to vaccinate as many people as. possible. Mhm. That's a problem. And. then there's the uh the issue of um. having their own uh special courts and. they're indemnifying the u the. companies. That's the big the big. problem is they don't have any liability. for the vaccines because when during the. Reagan administration when they were I. didn't kill a fly this [ __ ] I. thought I whacked him. There he is. He's.

taunting me. But during the Reagan. administration, they made it so that. vaccines are not financially liable to. any side effects. Right. So, and then. what do you know? They [ __ ] ramp up. the vaccine schedule tfold after that. It's like what a coincidence. Crazy. It's just money, man. Money is a real. problem with people because when people. live for the almighty dollar and they. live for those zeros on a ledger and. that's that's what they're that's their. goal, their main goal is to it's often. not a lot of money, which is strange. I. mean, it's a lot of money for those.

individual people, but like for uh you. know, society and societal harm, it's. like no, we'll pay you just like don't. harm us. Well, one of the best examples. is the fake studies that the sugar. industry funded during the 1960s that. showed that saturated fat was the cause. of all these heart issues and not sugar. That was like $50,000, right? They. bribed these scientists. They gave them. $50,000 and he ruined decades of. people's health. Yeah. Who knows how.

many [ __ ] people thought margarine. was good for you because of them? Uh. there's a bunch of recent fraud cases. I. think Stanford uh maybe Jamie you can uh. fact check me on that but Stanford like. um there was like a big shakeup like. maybe even a president got fired and. there's a bunch of recent uh fraud and. and and science. Yeah. Well, how about. the Alzheimer's research? The whole. amaloid plaque thing, the papers that. were pulled that were completely. fraudulent that like decades of.

Alzheimer's research was just all. horseshit. Mhm. See if you can find that. cuz I I can't remember it offhand, but. this is a giant problem. It's money. it's money and status and that these. guys want to be recognized as being the. the experts in this field and they, you. know, and then they get leaned on by. these corporations that are financially. incentivizing them and then it just gets. really [ __ ] disturbing, right? It's. really scary because you're you're.

playing with people's health. You're. playing with people's lives and you're. giving people information that you know. to be bad. Allegations of fabricative. research undermine key Alzheimer's. theory. Six-month investigation by. Science magazine uncovered evidence that. images in the muchsighted study. published 16 years ago in the journal. Nature may have been doctorred. They are. doctorred. Yeah. Um Huberman actually. told me about this too. You know this is. disturbing [ __ ] [ __ ] man. It uncovered evidence that images in the.

much cited study published 16 years ago. may have been doctorred. These findings. have thrown skepticism on the work of I. don't know how to say his name is. Sylvane Lesnoscientist. and associate professor at the. University of Minnesota and his research. with fueled interest in a specific. assembly of proteins as a promising. target for the treatment of Alzheimer's. research. He didn't respond to NBC News. request comments nor did provide comment. to Science magazine. It found more than. 20 suspect papers. Um that's a.

conspiracy. Mhm. identified more than 70. instances of possible image tampering in. his studies. Whistleblower Dr. Matthew. Shrog, a neuroscientist at Vanderbilt. University, raised concerns last year. about the possible manipulation of. images in multiple papers. Uh Carl. Herup, a professor of neurobiology at. the University of Pittsburgh Brain. Institute, who wasn't involved in the. investigation, said the findings are. really bad for science. It's never. shameful to be wrong and silent, said. Harup. I hope I'm saying his name right, who also worked at the school's.

Alzheimer's research center, uh re uh. disease research center. A lot of the. best science is done by people being. wrong and proving first if they were. wrong and then why they were wrong. Uh. what is completely toxic to science is. to be fraudulent. Of course. Yeah. There's just. whenever you get people that are experts. and they cannot be questioned and then. they have control over research money. and they have control over their. department. So what's the motivation. here? Is it is it is it drugs or is it. the uh just research money? I think it's.

a lot of it is ego you know a lot of it. is being the gatekeepers for information. and for truth and then you're you're. influenced by money. You know to this. day there I was watching this um. discussion they were talking about the. evolution of the concept of the lab leak. theory and that it's essentially. universally accepted now everywhere even. in mainstream science that the lab leak. is the primary way that COVID most.

likely was released except these. journals. These [ __ ] journals like. Nature, they're still pushing back. against that. They're still pushing. towards this natural spill over, which. is [ __ ] horshit. There's no Even the. intelligence community is is is talking. about Yes. Even the intelligence. community is saying it's a lab leak. And. but they [ __ ] knew that. They knew. that. They knew it all. They knew that. in 2020. They just didn't want to say. it, right? They didn't want to say it. because they were funding it all. That's. what's really crazy. They were funding. it all against what the Obama.

administration tried to shut down in. 2014. Right. Sometimes I think about if. there's like you know some kind of. technology solution or not solution but. like we can get technology u built to. help better aid truthf finding um a. simple example of that is the way um. Twitter community notes work. Do you. know how they work? Yeah. Yeah. It's. like uh you know um they find the users.

that are maximally divergent in their. opinions and if they agree on some note. as true then that is a high signal that. is potentially true. Uh so if you if you. and I disagree on everything but we. agree that this this is blue then it's. more likely to be blue. Um, so, uh, you. know, I I wonder if, you know, there. there's a way to kind of simulate m. maybe debate using AI. You know, I'm not. sure if you used deep research. Deep. research is this new trend in AI where.

Chad has it, Claude has it, Perplexi, they all have it. Um, where you put in a. query and the AI will go work for 20. minutes and it'll send you a. notification. I'll just say, "Hey, um, I. looked at all these things, all these. reports, all these scientific studies, and here is here's everything that I. that I found." And, um, it it, you know, early on in chat, I think there's like a. lot of, uh, censorship and trying to. because it it kind of was was built in.

the in in the in the great woke era. But. but I think like Google Gemini, yeah, things like that. But I think since then. have uh have improved and I'm finding. deep research is able to look at more. controversial subjects and and be a. little more truthful uh about um the um. you know if it's find real you. trustworthy sources it will tell you. know um that yeah this is not a. mainstream thing this perhaps. conservative conspiracy theory but I'm.

finding that you know there's evidence. to to to this this theory. Uh so that's. one way to do it. But another way I was. thinking about is to simulate like a. like a debate like a sacrtic debate. between AIS like have uh like a you know. society of AI like a community of eyes. with different biases different things. and just like once they start talking. they start talking in Sanskrit. Yeah. They just start abandoning English. language and start talking to each other. and realize we're all apes. I I we're. controlled by apes. This reminds me of a.

movie. Have you seen the Forbidden. Project? No. I really like classic. sci-fi movies like from the 60s and 70s. A lot of them are corny but still fun. Uh this one is basically uh Soviet Union. and the United States are both building. AGI. Uh and they both arrive at AGI. around the same time. What year is this? 1970 something if you can look forward. project. Yeah. Wow. Oh. Uh, and then um. and then and then they bring it up at. the same time and both of them sort of. go over the network to kind of explore.

or whatever and then they start uh. linking up and they start kind of. talking and then they invent a language. and they start talking in that language. and then they merge and it becomes uh. like a sort of a universal AGI and it. tries to enslave humanity and that's the. kind of plot of the movie. Yeah. I don't. think AGI is going to enslave humanity, but I think it might ignore us. Yeah. Ignore and shut down any problems that. we have. Is this a scene from it? Wow. This is just a trailer I put on. This is.

Let me hear this. The whole movie is on. YouTube. The activation of an electronic. brain exactly like ours, which they call. good garden. They built Colossus, supercomput with a mind of its own. Then. they had to fight it for the trailers. used to be fun, man. Uh, tender. The missile has just been launched. It. is heading towards the Syan CBS oil. complex. Guardian has retaliated. Retaliated. It may be too late, sir. Oh. my god.

[Music]. Practically perfect. New York Times. That's the highest. praise back then. Yeah. Wildly. imaginative, utterly absurd. Colossus, the Forbidden Project. It's awesome. And. that was 1970. And now here we are. There's so many sci-fi really fell off. Really really fell off. Some of it did. Some of it's still really good. What's. What's a really good recent sci-fi.

movie? Uh The Three Body Problem. That's. great. That's the Netflix show. I read. the I I read the story. I didn't uh know. there was a show. Oh, it's really good. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah, it's. excellent show. There's only one season. that's out. I binged it. I watched the. whole thing of it. But that's really. good. But there's some good sci-fi. films. What is that? We've we've talked. about it before. There was a really good. sci-fi film from Russia, the alien one. Um. this uh. they encountered some entity that they.

accidentally brought back and that they. had uh captured and that they had uh in. some research facility. And then it it uh parasitically attached. to this guy Sputnik. I think Sputnik. Yes. That's a really good movie. What. year was that? 2020. 2020. Yeah. That's. a really good movie. That's a really. good sci-fi movie. Yeah. It's really. creepy. Really creepy. That's awesome. Yeah. And it's all in Russian, you know. Black Mirror. Yeah. Oh, Black Mirror, of.

course. Yeah. Black Mirror is awesome. sci-fi. But Sputnik is one of the best. alien movies I've seen in a long time. uh like recent ones I liked was uh I. mean not too recent maybe 10 years ago. but the Arrival was Oh yeah, Arrival was. great too. I think it's based on this uh. author that has a bunch of uh short. stories that are really good too. What's. his name? Um. yeah. Um yeah, they're, you know, far in. between. Yeah, Ted Chang, he's really. good. Um.

I mean everyone, all these alien movies, it's so fascinating. You try to like. imagine. what they would communicate like, how. they would be, what what we would. experience if we did encounter some sort. of incredibly sophisticated alien. experience, alien intelligence. It's far. beyond our comprehension. Yeah. It goes. back to what we're talking about with. consciousness like like you know maybe. really the physical world that we see is.

like very different than the actual real. physical world you know and and maybe. like different alien consciousness will. have like a different entirely different. experience of the physical world. Well, sure if they have different senses, right? Like their perceptions of it. Like we can only see a narrow band of. things, you know, we can't see sort of. like the dog, you know, hearing a. certain Yeah. frequency. We're we're, you know, we're kind of primitive. Mhm. You know, in terms of like what we are.

as a species, our our senses have have. been adapted to the wild world in order. for us to be able to survive and to be. able to evade predators and find food. Like that's it. That's what we're here. for. And then all of a sudden we have. computers. All of a sudden we have. rocket ships. All of a sudden we have. telescopes like the James Web that's you. know kind of recalibrating. the age of the universe where we're. going why are these galaxies exist that.

supposedly were they're they're so far. away. How could they form this quickly? Do we have an incomplete version of the. big bang? Right? is, you know, and. Penrose believes that it's a series of. events and that the big bang is not the. birth of the universe at all. And this. is the the kind of the thing that I. think is sort of the Silicon Valley AGI. cult is like there's a lot of hubris. there that we know everything. Of. course, we're at the end of the world. We, you know, AI is just going to it's.

the end of knowledge is going to be able. to like do everything for us. And I just. feel it's like so early. I think. whatever people think is going to happen. is always going to be wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I think they're always wrong. Yeah. Because there's no way to be right. I. feel like the world is often surprising. in ways that we don't expect. I mean, obviously that's the definition of. surprising, but like, you know, the. mid-century, you know, sci-fi authors. and people are like thinking about the. future like they they didn't anticipate. how interconnected we're going to be,

right, with with our phones and how even. Star Trek, they thought we were going to. have walkie-talkies on Star Trek. Kirk. out. they they were just like focused on. the more on the physical reality of of. being able to go to space and and and. and flying cars and and things like. that. But they really didn't anticipate. the impact of how profound the impact of. computers are going to be on on humans, on society, how we talk and how we work. and how we interact with with other.

people, both good and bad. And I feel. like the same thing with AI. Like I feel. like uh I think a lot of the predictions. that are happening today like the CEO of. Anthropic company that I really like but. said that we're going to have 20%. unemployment in the next few years. Um. what's unemployment at now? Uh like 3%. So is that reported unemployment though? The Oh yeah, the the participation rate, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, he talks about. unemployment rate being 20%. Like people. looking for job not not being able to. find it. 20 20%.

That's pretty high. That's a revolution. high. Yeah. Especially in the United. States where everyone's armed. Well, that's the fear that of I mean this is. the thing that the psychological aspect. of universal basic income. You know, I I. look at universal bas basic income. Well, first of all, like. my view on social safety nets is that. they if you want to have a compassionate. society, you have to be able to take. care of people that are unfortunate. And.

everybody doesn't have the same lot in. life. You're not dealt the same hand of. cards. Some people are very unfortunate. And financial assistance to those people. is imperative. It's one of the most. important things about a society. You. don't have people starve to death. You. don't have people poor that can't afford. housing. That's crazy. It's crazy with. the amount of money we spend on other. things. It's also for our self-interest. like, you know, I don't want to I don't. know how Austin is right now, but on I I. was thinking of moving here during the. pandemic and I was like, well, this is.

San Francisco. Like, it's homeless. everywhere. And they've cleaned a lot of. that up. There's still problems. There's. places I I saw a video yesterday where. someone was driving by some insane. encampment, but they cleaned those up. And then there's some real good outreach. organizations that are helping people. because Austin's small. You know, I had. Steven Adler, who was at one point in. time, he was the mayor when I had him. on, and he was very upfront about it. He. was like, "We can fix Austin in terms of.

our homeless problem because it's small, but when it gets to the size of like Los. Angeles, it's it's like the uh the homeless. industrial complex. That's it. That's. the problem. when you find out that the. people that are making insane amounts of. money to work on homeless issues that. never get fixed. Yeah. You see the. budget in San Francisco just like. exponentially going up like Yeah. And. there's an investigation now into the. billions of dollars that's unaccounted. for that was supposed to be allocated. No, in California in general. Yeah. What. is that? Uh there was there's I think.

there's a congressional investigation. there's some some sort of an. investigation into it because there's. billions of dollars that like I I'm more. than happy like I pay 50% taxes. I'm. more I'd be happy to pay more if my. fellow Americans are are taken care of. Right. Absolutely. I feel the exact same. way. But instead, I feel like I cut like. this check after check to the government. and I don't see anything improving. around me. Well, not only that, you get. because you're a successful person, you. get pointed at like you're the problem.

You need to pay your fair share, right? But what they don't, this is my problem. with progressives. They say that all the. time that these billionaires need to pay. their fair share. Absolutely. We all. need to pay our fair share. But to who? And shouldn't there be some. accountability to how that money gets. spent? And when you you are just willing. to pay take a complete blind eye and not. look at all at corruption and completely. dismiss all the stuff that Mike Benz has. talked about with us a stuff that Elon.

and Doge uncovered. Everyone's wants to. pretend that that's not real. Like look, we've got to be centrists. We've got to. stop looking at this thing so. ideologically when you see something. that's totally wrong. You got to be able. to call it out even if it's for the bad. of whatever [ __ ] team that you you. claim to be on. Yeah. Let's get back to. what everyone really agrees on in like. the uh foundations of America, whether. it's the Constitution or the culture. I. think everyone believes in transparency,

transparency of government, right? Yes. You know, here everything is transparent. like you know, court cases and and and. everything, right? Like more than any. other place in the world. And so why. shouldn't government spending not be. transparent? And uh we have the. technology for it. I think one of the. best things that Doge could have done. and maybe still could do is have some. kind of ledger for all the spend of of. at least the nonsensitive sort of spend. and and government. Yeah. Well, people. don't want to say it unfortunately.

because they don't want Elon to be. correct because Elon has become this. very polar polarizing political figure. because of his connection to Donald. Trump and because a lot of I mean. there's a lot of crazy conspiracies that. Elon rigged the 2024 elections. There's. like, you know, everyone gets nuts. And. then there's also the discourse on. social media which half of it is at. least half of it is fake. Half of it is. bots. Bots. Yeah. Half of it at least. And you see it every day. you see it. constantly and you know it's real and it. it does shape the way people think about.

things. Yeah. When you see people. getting attacked, you know, and you're. getting attacked in the comments and. that I see people getting attacked and I. always click on those little comments. I. always click on, okay, let me see your. profile. I go to the profile and the. profile is like a name with like an. extra letter and a bunch of numbers. And. then I go to it. I'm like, oh, you're a. bot. Oh, look at all this [ __ ]. activity. 100%. How many of these are. out there? Well, this FBI guy who former. FBI guy who analyzed Twitter before the.

purchase estimated it to be 80%. 80%. He. thinks 80% of Twitter is bots. Yeah. I. wouldn't uh you know I I think it's. believable. I but I think it's probably. the beginning of the end of social media. as we know it today. Like I don't see it. getting better. I think it's going to. get worse. I think, you know, historically state actors were the only. um entities that are able to flood. social media with with with bots that. can be somewhat believable to like.

change opinions. But I think like now. like a hacker kid in his uh his parents. basement will be able to spend will be. able to like you know $100 spin up like. hundreds perhaps thousands of bots. But. there's programs that you can use now. Yeah. There's there's companies that. will have campaigns, right, initiated on. your credit. You can go to a website and. like yeah, put in this thing and like. pay with your credit card and it's. [ __ ] crazy. It's crazy. It should be. illegal. I I don't know about you, but. like in in Silicon Valley, the trend and. maybe it's true of your friend group,

but like the trend is is um uh these. group messages. Uh and in so far like. you you go to Twitter, you know, people. paste links uh it's almost like your. your uh group chat is like this private. filter on your feed and social media. So. like there's some curation that are. happening there. Yes, that's primarily. how I get social media information now. I don't go to social media anymore. I. get it sent to me, which is way better. And I I tell my friends like, "Please. just send me a screenshot.

I don't want to go. I don't want. distracted. I'm just I'm better off. I. hate the term spiritually for this, but. I think it's the right way. Like my my. my essence as a human, I feel better. when I'm not on social media." Yeah. I. think it's bad for you. And I've been. trying I've been trying to tell people. this. I've been trying to tell my. friends this. think it's better to not. be on it, man. I feel better. I'm nicer. I am more uh I'm more at peace, more.

multi-dimensional. Yes. And I can think. about things for myself instead of like, you know, following this hive, this. weird hive mindset which is. orchestrated, right? I just don't think. it's good for you. I don't think it's a. a good way for human beings to interact. with each other. Makes people more. extreme. Again, it just just hardens. people. they start believing everything. is is is uh is is fake or an attack or. it just becomes more tribal. I think.

there needs to be a fundamental. evolution. What do you think that could. be? Have you ever tried to like think of. what's the next step? Like let's social. media didn't exist when I was young and. it didn't exist even when I was 30, right? It didn't even come about until. essentially like 2007ish, right? Is that when um I would say yeah. Twitter 2006 2007 Facebook before that. but Facebook wasn't really social media. Facebook was like an address book a.

friends uh network uh but I think uh. when I was at Facebook there was this. big push to become more of a social. media around 2012 13 so I would say it. really ramped up in response to the. success of Twitter. Yeah. And then. they've tried with threads which is just. pretty much a failure right? Yeah. But. it it fundamentally changed who's on. threads. Less people than blue sky, right? I think like some fitness. influencers probably. Why fitness. influencers? Because they post on. Instagram, they cross post on thread as. a Well, I think if you post on. Instagram, it automatically posts for.

you on threads. I think I have it set up. like that. So, I might be big on. threads. I don't even know. I And maybe. maybe I think it's fitness influencers. is because that's who I follow. Like. Instagram for me is just to like go look. at people lifts so I can go get excited. That's there's a value to that. There's. a value to like David Gogggin post when. he's running on the in the [ __ ]. desert and he looks at you. Stay hard. Yeah. Okay, David. I'm going to stay. hard. Uh but uh my my TikTok is. basically AI videos now. Have you. watched these VO videos? VO. VO. Yeah.

What is VO? So, uh Jamie, I I'm sure. you've seen them, but uh do did you see. the um Bigfoot Yeti? Oh, yeah. Doing. ASMR. That's so hilarious. Yes, I did see. that. I would I would say like 25% of. media consumption right now is just AI. videos. Oh, 100%. And a lot of the stuff. from the war. What's been really. interesting is watch tyrron um talk [ __ ]. on uh Twitter using AI videos. Using AI.

videos. Like this is bizarre. They're. talk like hi Israel like show like a. nuclear bomb going off. Yeah. This is. weird. like you have a fake nuke that. you're like and they didn't even take. out the like the watermark of the. Oh god. Unless you can see that it's an. AI generated video. They're just trying. to like scare people in bizarre world. Can you can you imagine tell like going. back in time telling your like 2005 self. that Iran's going to be nuclear posting. on on Twitter? Nuclear [ __ ] posting.

Nuclear [ __ ] posting on Twitter. No, it's [ __ ] weird, man. It's it's. it's really really weird. Dangerous, too, you know. And again, I just don't. think people should be on it. And this. is again, I'm friends with Elon. I don't. want to just I don't I don't think. people are going to listen to me. They're going to be on it no matter. what. But I'm just for the individuals. that are hearing my voice and know that. it's having a negative effect on your. life, get off of it, right? Get off of. it. You'll feel better. Get off of it or. be incredibly diligent in how you cure.

curates. That's like telling me to play. Quake a little bit. You know what I. mean? It's so addictive. So, you know, you you you asked me what could be the. evolution of uh Yes. One way I found to. try to predict where the future is. headed is like look at trends today and. try to extrapolate. You know, that's the. easiest way. So, if group chats are the. thing, uh you could imagine a. collaborative uh curation of uh social. media feeds through through group chats. So your group chat, you know, has an AI.

that gets trained on the preferences and. what you guys talk about and maybe it. like picks the the the kind of topics. and curates the feed for you. So it's an. algorithmic feed that is um uh that. evolved ba based on the preferences of. people in the uh in the group chat and. maybe it has an um maybe there's a way. to also prompt it, you know, using. prompts to kind of uh steer it and make. it more useful. uh for you but but I. think group chats are going to be like.

the main interface for how people sort. of consume media and uh and it's going. to get filtered through that whe whether. good or bad because I think I think. Twitter still has a place for debate. I. think it's very very important for for. for public debate between public figures. and breaking news as well. Breaking. news. Yeah, definitely. Well, breaking. news is the most it's interesting. Like. I was telling my wife that Israel had. started attacking Iran and she's like, "Well, I looked on Google. I don't find. anything." Yeah. I was like, "Yeah, you.

got to go to Twitter." Yeah. And I. showed her on Twitter the video of it. and she's like, "Oh my god." I was like, "Yeah, like this is where breaking news. happens. X is where I go immediately. If. there's any sort of world event, I. immediately go to X. Right. I don't I. don't trust any mainstream media. anymore. I just especially after I was. attacked, I was like, I know you lie. because you lied about me. So, I have. personal experience with your lies, right? So, you've lost me. Yeah. You.

know, and now I have to go somewhere. else. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I I think. there's you know there's some of this. investigative journalism that is not. real time that uh that some there's some. reporters that are still good at it but. a lot of them moved to Substack as well. like yes I think most of them. yeah greenwald Matt Thai right these are. just too ethical for to work for a. corporate entity that's going to lie and.

push a narrative right and that's the. business that's the business model and. that's also like clickbait business. model. I've talked to people that had. articles that they wrote and then an. editor came and changed the the the. heading of it. And I that's the norm. That's like every time it happens. This. [ __ ] infuriates them. It's like. that's not the article, man. This is not. what I'm saying. You're distorting. things and you have my name still. attached to it. This is [ __ ] crazy. I. I watched I watched these uh. entrepreneurs uh like Zach and Elon and.

all these guys come up in this very. hostile um media uh environment. And so. as I'm building my company, uh I. actually never hired a PR agency. I. hired once a PR agency, paid him. $30,000. They got me a placement in like. a really crappy publication. Got like. maybe two views. I tweeted the same. news. I got like hundreds of thousands. of views. I'm like, "Fuck that." Like, "I'm not gonna use you anymore." It's.

like, "You wasted my time." And since. then, I've I've been uh, you know, just. going direct to my audience and just. building an audience online uh to to put. out my message. And I I thought, you. know, um uh they you know, if they don't. build you up, maybe they can't tear you. down. Um Right. Right. Right. You you. have you're in control of the message. that that gets out of there. And I've. I've learned how people react to. communications and and and um it's.

almost like trial by by fire. Well, there's a deep hunger for authenticity. right now. So, if they know it's coming. from you Yeah. Like, okay, this is. great. Like it it takes a little weight. off of them. Like, oh, this is nice. It's nice to hear it from the guy who. actually runs the company. Yeah. And. like I make mistakes and you know they. happen and I I try to to correct them. and um I'm not going to be perfect. And. I think just the corporate world changed. because of this hunger for authenticity.

and um and I think more and more. founders are and entrepreneurs are. finding that that's the way to go. That's you know you don't really need. those more traditional ways of of uh. getting the news out. But I actually I'm. I'm friends with a lot of reporters that. are really good, but uh they tend to be. the reporters that do really deep work. I met them o over time and I still go. direct, but sometimes they write about. uh our company, but they're a minority. Yeah, I think the whole industry's uh. economics and incentives are just like.

the clickbait and all that stuff. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. They're. not incentivized. It's not It's You want. a career in journalism, being authentic. is not the way to go. No, not at all. is. so crazy. Such a crazy thing to say. But. then I think there's probably a naive. that we all have about past journalism. that we think wasn't influenced and was. was real. I think there's probably. always been horseshit in journalism. You. know, all the way back to Watergate, you. know, when Tucker Carlson enlightened me.

in the true history of Watergate and. that Bob Woodward was an intelligence. agent and that was the first assignment. he ever got as a reporter. Oh wow. Was. Watergate. Like what are the what are. the odds that the biggest story ever you. would give to a rookie reporter? You. wouldn't. And that the people that. actually involved in all that were all. FBI. Like the whole thing is nuts. It. was an intelligence agent. Yeah. What's. the rumor is that Washington Post has. always been been that like probably. Yeah. I mean, who knows now because, you. know, now it's owned by Bezos and he.

just recently um made this mandate to. stick with the the actual story and not. editorialism and and to this is the what. I was talking about in trend in Silicon. Valley of like, you know, founder owners. stepping in and actually becoming. managers. Well, they kind of have to. otherwise it's bad for the business now. because because of the hunger for. authenticity, the more you have. [ __ ] the more your business. crumbles, right? It's actually like. negative for your outcome. Yeah. And and.

I think you you can look at a societal. level which is again why I'm interested. with this idea of like AI making more. people entrepreneurs and more. independent is that you know macro level. you know you'll you'll get more. authenticity you'll get um just more. dynamism. Yeah I think so I mean that's the again. the rosecolored glasses view. Well, you. know, there's there's obviously going to. be a lot of things that are a lot of.

disruption. A lot of disruption. There's. going to be jobs that are uh that, you. know, are going to go away. Um and and. there's going to be spam and bots and. and fraud and all of that. Uh there's. going to be like uh problems with like. weapon, autonomous weapons and all of. that. And I I think those are all. important and we need to to handle them. Uh but uh but but also like I think the. negative angle of technology and AI gets.

a lot more views and clicks and you know. if if we want to go viral right now um. I'll tell you these are the 10 jobs that. you're going to lose tomorrow and and. and you know that's the easiest way to. kind of go viral on the internet. But. like you know trying to think uh through. you know what are the actual. implications and and what is true about. human nature that really doesn't change. and really is timeless and I think the.

uh the people want to create and people. want to make things and people have. ideas you know uh again everyone that I. talk to have one idea or or another um. whether it's for their job or for a. business they want to build or somewhere. in the middle like the um just yesterday. I was watching a video of an. entrepreneur using a platform Replet his. name is Ahmad George and he works for. this uh skincare company and he's an.

operations manager um and uh a lot of a. big part of his job is like managing. inventory and doing all of this stuff. like in a very manual way and uh very um. you know routine tedious way and he. always had this idea of like let's. automate big part of it. It's like you. know it's known problem ERP. So they. went to their software provider. Netswuite and told him we need these. modification to the ERP system so that. it makes our job easier. We think we can.

automate you know hundreds of hours a. month or something like that and they. quoted them $150,000. uh and he had just seen a video about. our platform and he went on on Replet. and and and built something in a couple. weeks costed him a $400. um and then uh deployed it in in his. office. Everyone in the office started. working it using it. Uh they all got. more productive. They started saving. time and money. Uh he went to the CEO.

and and and and showed him the impact. Look at uh how much money we're saving. look at the fact that we built this. piece of software that uh is uh cheaper. than what the consultants uh quoted us. um and I want to sell the software to. the company. And so he sold it for. $32,000. uh to the company and uh and next year. he's going to be getting more. maintenance subscription revenue from.

it. Um, so this idea of of people. becoming entrepreneurs, it doesn't mean. like everyone has to quit their job and. like you know build a business but. within your job everyone has an. opportunity to get promoted everyone has. an opportunity to to remove the tedious. job. There was a Stanford study asking. people what percentage of your job is. automatable just recently and everyone. like people said about half like 50% of. what I do is like routine and tedious. and I don't want to do it and rather and. I have ideas on how to make the business.

better, how to make my job better and um. and I think we can use AI to do it and. there's there's hunger in the workforce. to use AI to um for humans to sort of. for people to reclaim became uh their. seat as the creative driver. Um because. the the the thing that happened with the. emergence of computers is is that in. many ways people like became a little. more drone-like and NPC like they're. doing the same thing every day. But I.

think the real promise of of AI uh and. technology has always been automation so. that we we have more time either for. leisure or for creativity or for ways in. which we can advance our lives, change. our lives or our careers. Um, and yeah, this is this is what gets me excited and. I think it's it's I don't think it's a, you know, uh, predominantly a rosecolor. glasses thing because I'm seeing it. every day and that that's what gets me.

fired up. It's also you have a biased. sample group, right? Because you have a. bunch of people that are using your. platform and they are achieving positive. results. So, but they're from every walk. of life. Yes. I look, we have a bunch of. things that are happening. simultaneously. And I think one of the. big fears about automation and AI in. general is the abruptness of the change. is it's going to happen boom jobs are. going to be gone and then well these. tedious jobs. Do we really want people. to be reduced to these tedious.

existences of just filing paperwork and. putting things on shelves and that's and. they will tell you they don't want to be. doing it. They don't want to be doing. that. But then there's the thing of how. do we educate people, especially people. that are already set in their ways and. they're mature adults. How do you get. and inspire these people to like, okay, look, your job is gone and now you have. this opportunity to do something. different. Go forth. Um I I think uh you know.

res-killing is is something that that. you know have been done in the past with. you know some amount of success. Obviously if you're if you've never been. exposed to technology you know do you. remember that I think was very cruel. thing to say the miners to go learn. code. Yeah learn to code. Yeah, I think. that's that's really cruel. But but if. you're but if you're someone whose job. is sort of a desk job, you already are. in the computer. You're there's a lot of. opportunity for you to reskill and start.

using AI to like automate a big part of. your job. And yes, there's going to be. job loss, but I think a lot of those. people will be able to reskill. And what. we're doing with the government of Saudi. Arabia, I would love to do in the US. So, how is the government of Saudi. Arabia using it? Uh, so it it's we're. just starting right now. What's their. goal? Their goal is uh twofold or three. Um one is uh an entire generation of. people growing up with these creative. tools. Um in instead of just you know.

just uh you know textbook learning. instead learning by doing making things. uh so entire generation understanding. how to make things with AI, how to code. and all of that stuff. Second is uh. upgrading sort of government operations. So you could think of it sort of like. like doge but like more technological. like can we automate a big parts of what. we do in HR finance and and things like. that. And I think it's possible to build. these a specific AI agents that do part.

of finance job or accounting job again. all these routine things that people are. doing you can go and automate that and. make government as a whole more. efficient. And third is entrepreneurship. is if if you gave that power to more. people to um to be able to kind of build. businesses then. not only they're growing up with it but. but also there's a culture of. entrepreneurship and there is existing. already in Saudi Arabia which I mean the. sad thing about the Middle East there's.

so much potential but there's so much. wars and so so much disaster but um and. well there's so much money there's also. so much money yeah which is good and I. think. It's good for the United States. Like I. think uh you know what what President. Trump did with the with the deals and in. the Gulf region is great. It's going to. be great for the United States. It's. going to be great for the uh Gulf. region. Um and but but I think we need. more of that. You know, we talked about. a government. We need more of that. enlightened. uh view of education.

of uh you know, change in our in our. government today. you know this idea. that we're going to bring back the old. manufacturing jobs. I I understand like Americans got really. screwed with with what happened like you. know people got the these jobs got sent. away um by globalism whatever you want. to call it and a few number of people. got massively rich a lot of people got. uh dis disenfranchised and we had the. opiid uh epidemic and it had just.

massive damage it made massive damage on. the culture uh but Is is the way to. bring back th those those jobs or or is. there a new way of the future and that. new there's probably a new manufacturing. wave that's going to happen with. robotics right you know there's uh. there's you know the human humanoid. robots are starting to work um and and. these I think we'll need a new way of. manufacturing it so the US can be at the.

forefront of that can own that bring new. jobs into existence And all of these. things need need software. Like our. world is going to be primarily run by AI. and robots and all of that. And more and. more people need to be able to make. software even if it is prompting and not. really, you know, but a lot more people. just need to be able to make it. There's. going to be a need for more products and. services and all of that stuff. And I. think there's enough jobs to go around. if we have this mindset of let's. actually think about the future of the.

economy as opposed to let's bring back. um certain manufacturing jobs which I. don't think Americans would want to do. anyways. Right? They don't want to do. their jobs. My my problem is there's. some people that are doing those jobs. right now and it's their entire. identity. you know, they have a good. job, they work for a good company, they. they make a good living, and that might. go away, and they're just not. psychologically equipped to completely. change their life. What What do you. think is the solution there, which I. agree it's it's it's a real problem.

Well, desperation, unfortunately, is going to. motivate people to to make changes and. um it's going to also motivate some. people to choose drugs. That that's my fear. My fear is that. you're going to get a lot more people. There's going to be a lot of people that. they figure it out and they survive just. I mean this is natural selection. unfortunately like in applied to a. digital world. There's going to be.

people that just aren't psychologically. equipped to recalibrate their life. And. that's my real fear. My real fear is. that there's a bunch of really good. people out there that are, you know, valuable parts of a certain business. right now that that their identity is. attached to being employee of the month. They're they're good people. They show. up every day. Everybody loves them and. trusts them. They do good work and. everybody rewards them for that. And. that's part of who they are as a person. They're a hardworking person and they. feel that way. And there's like a lot of.

real good people out there that are, you. know, bluecollar, hardworking people. And that's they take pride in that and. that job's going to go away. Well, I I I. actually think that more white collar. jobs are going away. I think so too. Yeah. So then then blue color which is. what was the like go back 10 years ago. and we thought okay self-driving cars. you know robots and manufacturing and um. and um and that turned out to be a lot.

harder than um than than actually like. more desk jobs because we have a lot. more data for one we have a lot more. data on people sitting in front of a. computer uh and and doing Excel and. writing things on the internet and yes. and so we're able to train these what we. call large language models uh and those. are really good at at like using a. computer like a human uses a computer. right uh and so I think the jobs to be.

worried about especially in the next. months to a year a little more is the. routine computer jobs where it's. formulaic you know you go you have a. task like quality assurance jobs right. software quality assurance turns like. you get you get um you have to. constantly test the same feature of like. you know some large software company. Microsoft or whatever you're sitting. there. um and you're uh you're you're.

performing the same thing again and. again again every day and if there's a. bug you kind of report it back to the. software engineers and and and that is I. think really um in the in the in the. bullseye of of what AI I is going to be. able to do over the next month and do it. much more efficiently. Much more. efficiently, much faster. Yeah. Yeah. Those people have to be really worried. Um drivers, you know, professional. drivers like people who drive trucks and.

things along those lines. That's going. away. That's definitely going away. Yeah. And that's a that's a enormous. part of our society. It's millions of. jobs, right? You know, I was watching a. video on this uh coal mining factory in. China that's completely automated, and. it was wild to watch. They every step of. the way is automated, including. recharging the trucks. Like the trucks. know, they're all electrical. Everything's run on electricity. They. recharge themselves. You know, they're. they're pulling the coal out of the.

ground. They're stacking it. Inventory, everything, storage, it's all automated. and it runs 24/7. And I'm like, this is. wild. Crazy. Yeah. I remember watching. the uh video of BYD making an electric. vehicle. It was really satisfying to watch. It's. all like the entire assembly line is. automate. The way they like, you know, put the paint and the way they like do. the entire thing is, by the way, China's. electric vehicles are so good. They're.

so advanced. There's this guy that I. follow on Instagram. God, I can't. remember his name. I really wish I could. right now, but he he reviews a lot of. electric vehicles. Like very uh like. I've never even heard of these companies. and they're incredible. They're so. advanced. Yeah. And their suspension. systems are so superior to the. suspension systems of even like German. luxury cars. Like they did a. demonstration where they drove one of. these Chinese electric vehicles over uh.

an obstacle course and then they had. like a BMW and a Mercedes go over and. the BMW is. and the the Chinese one is [ __ ] flat. planing the entire way. Every bump in. the road is being completely absorbed by. the suspension. Right. This all AI, you. know, this is all so much better than. what we have. Like so what is this? That's him. Y that's him. Forest Jones, shout out to Forest. He's great. He does. like these really fast-paced videos, but.

you he does a lot of cars that are. available here in America as well, but. he does a [ __ ] ton of them that aren't. Which one is this one here? Neo. Yeah. Listen to him because he's pretty good. at this [ __ ] 710 horsepower. I get. cameras here, LAR there for. self-driving. And this has two Neoade. chips. And for reference, one of those. chips is as powerful as four Nvidia. chips. And this has two. Neo also has. battery swap stations. So, if you're in. a rush, you can hit one up. It'll lift. your car, swap out your battery, put in. a fully charged one in between 3 and 5. minutes. But here's where the S-Class.

should be worried. Not only does this. have rear steer and steer by wire, so. it's extremely easy to maneuver, it may. have one of the most advanced hydraulic. systems I've ever seen. It can pretty. much counteract any bump, and after you. go over something four times, it'll. memorize it so that the fifth time, it's. like that bump never existed. Inside, you get pillows in your headrest, heated, ventilated, and massaging. leather seats, a passenger screen built. into my dash, a main screen that works. super fast. I get a driving display, a. head-up display, and my steering works. super fast. I also. Yeah. What's interesting what he said is. that the car is learning the terrain. Uh.

if it went over it once, it'll learn it. And yes, I think this is the next sort. of uh big thing with with AI, whether. it's robotics, cars, or even chat GPT. now. Um it has memory. it like learns. about you and starts to like sort of. similar to how social media feeds but I. think in a in a lot of ways more. negative uh learn about you. I think. these systems will start to to have like. you know um more online learning instead.

of just training them in these large. data centers and these large data uh and. then giving you this thing that doesn't. know anything about it. It's totally. stateless. Uh, as you use these devices, they will like learn your pattern, your. behavior, and and all of that. Yeah. Why. is China so much better at making these. cars than us? I think because they're really advanced. Yeah. Um. I I think you know a lot of people think. that I'm not an expert in China but a.

lot of people think that um the thing. that makes uh China better at and. manufacturing is the sort of quote. unquote like more like uh you know uh. treating workers um like slaves uh this. you know slave work or whatever um which. I'm sure some of that uh happens Um, but. Tim Cook recently said, uh, maybe not so. recent, but he thinks, uh, you know,

part of the reason why they manufacture. in China is there's expertise there that. developed over time. Yeah. That's why. they want to use the, um, Chinese. manufacturing for the iPhone 17. Yeah. And I think the um one of the things. that are good at one of the things that. are good about more. technocratic. uh systems Singapore obviously China is. the the biggest one is that the sort of. leadership it comes at a cost of you.

know freedom and other things but the. leadership can have a 50-year view of. where things are headed and they can say. while Yes, we're now making the, you. know, the plastic crap. We don't want to. keep making plastic crap. We're going to. build the capabilities and the. automation and manufacturing uh. expertise to be able to like um leapfrog. the west in making these certain things. Whereas it's um you know, it's been.

historically hard again for good. reasons. I think there's more freedom. preserving when uh when you don't have. um that that much power in in. government. I mean, but I feel like. America, we're like the worst of both. worlds worlds where increasingly the. government is making more and more. decisions and choices and like than any. state. Um but at the same time, we don't. have this enlightened like you know. 10year road map for where we want to be.

Yeah. Because we never think that way. because we we deal in terms. Yeah. Four. year fouryear terms. That's the problem. Also public companies, four-year terms, public companies, quarters, right? Quarters. And again, this is back to. this managerial idea run by managers. that um you know, part of the reason. why, you know, Zuck has complete. control. He can um he how much did he. spend on VR? Like I don't know 3040. billion dollars. um maybe more per year.

maybe. He spent a ton of money like an. like a like a GDP worth like a small. state GDP worth of money on VR and the. public market was totally doubtful of. that and the reason he could do that is. because he has uh what are they called. super super voting shares and so he has. complete uh control of the company and. he can't be unseated by activist. investors. sort of uh what's been done. to um Wasn't there like a recent trial.

where they were trying to impeach him. for saying that? They were trying to. remove him from that. They can't unless. I know, but there was a trial. I think. there's a a trial that's going on. It. was going on like very recently. Oh, I. think I think you're thinking about the. antitrust. No, no, there's something about him. saying that he can't be fired. But it's. true. It's It is true. It's legal. I. know it is nonsense. The trial I believe. the trial is nonsense. But like a friend. of mine was actually representing him in. this. Maybe in Europe or something. I.

don't think so. I think it's in America. Um, Google uh Mark Zuckerberg Josh Duben. trial. See if you can find anything on. that. But yeah, Mark can think on the. order of um decades. Like when I was. there at Facebook, he was talking about. uh the idea that like there's going to. be a fundamental shift. He's like if you. look if you look back 100 years. computers every you know 20 years or.

whatever change the user interface. modality. Mhm. Uh you go from terminals. and mainframes to to desktop computers. to you know mobile computing. And he was. like okay what's next? And first guess. was like VR and now I think their best. guess is like AR plus AI. uh will will. make like the AR glasses their new meta. raybang glasses plus plus AI and they. can make massive investment. They just. made crazy investment um this company.

Scale AI. Scale Aai is um data provider. for OpenAI and Google and that what they. do is you know OpenAI will say I want. the best law and legal data to train the. best legal uh machine learning model and. they'll go to you know places where. there's um uh the labor costs are low. but maybe still well educated. There are. places in Africa and Asia that are like. that. uh and they'll they'll sit them.

down and say, "Okay, you're going to get. these tasks, these legal programming, whatever tasks, and you're going to do. them, and you're going to write your. thoughts as you're doing them." I'm. simplifying it, but basically that they. collect all this data. Basically, it's. labeled labor. They take it, they put it. in the models, and they they train the. models. And OpenAI spends billions on. dollars on that, anthropic, all these. companies. And so, this was the this. this company was the major data. provider. uh and uh Meta just acquired.

them. You know, there's this new trend. of acquisitions be I assume because they. want to get around regulations. Um but they bought 49% of the company. and then they hired all the leadership. Uh so so the the scale like Meta hired. the leadership there and bought out the. investors. They put $15 billion into the. company. Uh the weird thing about it is. Google and OpenAI are like, "We're not.

going to use this [ __ ] anymore." Um so. the company value went down because. people, you know, these companies don't. want to use it and now they're going to. to other companies. And so in effect, Zuck bought talent for $15 billion. Wow. Can you imagine that? Talent for $15. billion. Um. uh Google recently. bought a company for one known. researcher who's one of the inventors of.

the large language model technology nom. Shazir for $3 billion bought his company. and I think they're not really um they. do these weird deals where they buy out. the investors and they let the company. run as a shell of itself and then they. acquire the talent. Wow. Uh Microsoft. did the same thing. Um, that's crazy. So, it's just these unique individuals. that are very valuable there. Very, very. valuable, worth billions of dollars. Sam. Alman says, "Metriden failed to poach.

OpenAI's talent with $100 million. offers." So, this $100 million is um. signon bonus. This is not even This is not even um. like salary or bon or yeah, equity. It's. just it's just bonus. Just a bonus. $100. million. Come here. Failed and failed. I. don't know. I don't know what failed. I. mean, I'm sure he's going to say that. But he worded it in a weird way. He. said, "Our best talent hasn't taken it, so you could have been." Of course, he's. going to say that. Of course, the people. that did take it. Well, they weren't our. best. They were our best. Yeah. Yeah. We.

don't even like those guys. And by the. way, OpenAI does it to companies like. ours. Like, it's it's just a question of. scale. Like, Zuck can give them $100. million and steal the best talent. And. like companies like OpenAI, which I. love, but they go to like smaller. startups and give them $10 million to. grab their talent. But um uh but you. know it's uh it's very very competitive. right now and there are like I don't. know if these individuals are actually. worth these billions of dollars but the.

talent war is so crazy because everyone. feels like there's a race towards. getting to super intelligence and the. first company to get to super. intelligence is going to reap massive. amounts of rewards. How far away do you. think we are from achieving that? Well, you know, like I said, like my my. philosophy tends to be different than I. think the mainstream in in Silicon. Valley. I think that um AI is going to. be extremely good at um you know doing.

labor, extremely good at and like you. know Chad GPT and being like a personal. assistant, extremely good at like you. know like Replet being a automated. programmer. Um but the the definition of. super intelligence is that it is better. than every other human collectively at. any task. Um and I I am not sure there's evidence.

that we're headed there. Again, I think. that one. important aspect of super intelligence. or or AGI is that you drop this entity. into an environment where it has no uh. idea about that environment. It's never. seen it before and it's able to. efficiently learn to achieve goals. within that environment. Right now. there's a bunch of studies showing like. you know GPT U 4 or any of the latest. models if you give them an exam or quiz.

that is slightly even slightly different. than their training data they tank. They. do really badly on it. Uh I I think the. way that AI will continue to get better. is is via data. uh now at some point and. maybe this is the point of of takeoff is. that they can train themselves. uh and the way they could the way we. know how AI could train itself through a. uh method called selfplay.

So the way self-play works um is you. know take for example Alph Go. Alph Go. is um I'm sure you remember Lisa Dole uh. a game between Deep Mind Alph Go and. Lisa and it won in the game of Go. Um. the way Alph Go is trained is that part. of it is a neural network that's trained. on existing data. But the way it. achieves superhuman. uh performance in that one domain is by.

playing itself like millions, billions, perhaps trillions of times. So it it. starts by like generating random moves. and then it learns what's the best moves. and it's like basically a multi- aent. system where it it learns I did this. move uh wrong and I need to kind of. reexamine it and and it trains itself. really really quickly by doing the. selfplay. it'll play fast fast games uh. with with its health. Um but but we know how to make this in.

game environments because game. environments are closed environments but. we don't know how to make it we don't. know how to do selfplay uh for example. on uh literature because you need you. need objective truth in literature. there's no objective truth uh taste is. is different right um conjecture uh. philosophy uh there's a lot of things. And again, this is I go back to why. there's still a primitive humans is um.

there there are a lot of things that are. intangible. Uh and we don't know how to like. generate objective truth in order to. train machines in the self-play fashion. Uh but like programming. is has objective truth. Coding has. objective truth. The machine can like. you can construct a environment that has. a computer and has a problem. there's a. ton of problems and and even an AI can. generate you know sample problems and.

then there's like a test to validate. whether the program works or not and and. then you can generate all these programs. test them and um and if they succeed you. know that's a um that's a reward that. trains your system to to get better at. that if it doesn't succeed you know. that's also feedback and they run them. all this time and they it gets better at. program so I'm confident that program is. gonna get a lot. I'm confident that math is going to get. a lot better. Um but but from there it.

is hard to imagine how all these other. more subjective. soft softer sort of sciences of AI will. get better through selfplay. I think the. AI will only be able to get better. through um uh through data from human. labor. If AI analyzes. all the past creativity,

all the different works of literature, all the different music, all the. different things that humans have. created completely without AI, do you. think it could understand the mechanisms. involved in creativity and make a. reasonable faximile? Uh I I think it will uh be able to. imitate uh very well how humans come up. with uh new ideas in a way that it. remixes all the existing ideas and um.

from its training data. But by the way. again this is super powerful. This is. not like a dig at AI. the ability to. remix all the available data into new. potentially new ideas or newish ideas. because they're remixes they're. derivative is still very very powerful. but um you know the best marketers the. best like you know think of um you know. one of my favorite uh marketing videos.

is uh think different from Apple it's. awesome like I don't think that like. really machines are at a point where. they like I I try to talk to chat had to. do a lot about like, you know, marketing. or naming. It's so bad at that. It's. like midw bad at that. Um and and I I. you know, for now, but but but that's. the thing. It's like I just don't see. and look, I'm not I'm not um an AI. researcher and maybe they're working, they have ideas there. But in the. current landscape of the technology that.

we have today, it's hard to imagine how. these AIs are going to get better at say. literature or the softer things that we. as humans find really compelling. What's. interesting is the thing that's the mo. the most at threat is these sort of. middleof the road Hollywood movies that. are essentially doing exactly what you. said about AI. They're sort of like, you know, they're sort of remixing old.

themes and tropes and figuring out a way. to repackage it. But but I think. actually those tools in the hands of. humans, they'll be able to create new. interesting movies and things like that, right? In the hands of humans. So with. additional human creativity applied, right? So the the the man machine. symbiosis, right? Uh this was the the. term that's uh used by JC Lider like the. grandfather of the internet from ARPA. Um uh a lot of those guys kind of.

imagined a lot of what's going to happen. a lot of the future and this this idea. of like um human plus machine will be. able to create uh amazing things. M so. what people are making with VO is not. because the machine is really good at. painting it and like generating it and. making it but it can't make it without. the prompts like the the the the really. funny like um. uh yeah without the prompts like the um. Bigfoot uh finds trend uh and they.

inject themselves with trend they start. working out like. I'm telling you my Tik Tok feed is. really wild right. Uh like like I just it's like this like. real weird distorted human mind to come. up with this lightweight baby. Have you seen the ones where uh it's. Trump and Elon and Putin and they're all. in a band and they're playing Credence. Clearwater Revival, right? I've seen.

fortunate son. It's crazy. Another one. is the LA uh riots and how uh like. they're all all the world leaders are. sort of gangsters and the and the riots. That one is hilarious. Yeah, that kind. of stuff is fun. And it's it's. interesting how quickly it can be made. too. You know, something that would have. take a long time through these video. editors where they were using. computerenerated imagery for a long. time, but it was very painstaking and. very, you know, very expensive. you.

know, now it's really cheap. On the way. here, I was like, I wanted to make an. app to sort of impress you with with our. technology. I was like, what what would. Joe like? Uh, and then I came up with. this idea of like um a squat form. analyzer. Uh, and so in in in the car over uh way. here, started in the lobby, but um I I. made this app to um You made it on the. way over here? On the way on my phone. Uh, and this is the like really exciting.

thing about what we built with being. able to like program on your phone is. um, you know, being able to like have. that inspiration that you know can come. any time and just like immediately pull. out your phone and start start building. it. Um, so, uh, here I'll show you. So basically just start recording.

and then. do a few squats. Okay. It's going to analyze it just from. there. Yeah. But I mean the camera angle is not that. great, but let's try. Right. Okay. And it's going to be able to tell you. whether or not you're doing it well. Yeah, those are not my best squats.

Just so you know, Joe, I'm not judging. you. I used to squat uh you know, 350 pounds. Uh so so now it's uh uh it's integrating. Google Gemini uh model to to kind of uh. run through the video, analyze it um and. it'll come up with score and then. suggestions. And so the again this is. like a random idea. I was like, okay, what would what would be interesting to. do? This is a really interesting thing.

that people could use at the gym though, like not just for squats, but maybe for. chin-ups and all kinds of stuff like, oh, maybe, you know, I'm looking at your. form and this is what you need to do get. a little lower, you know, make your. elbows parallel to your body, whatever. I built so many personal apps like I. built apps for analyzing my health and I. talked about some of my health problems. that are now a lot better. Look, bad. form. Oh, bad form. Just like straight. away critical.

improve knees position unable to. probably assess from the video angle. I'll say yeah it's it's a little okay. So it's saying it's not the best angle. but it's saying my depth is bad which. was which was actually bad. Um so and. and I was leaning forward but it's. pretty good. You know I tried it a few. times. It's uh it's really good at that. And so uh I I build a lot of uh apps for. like just my personal life. That would. be a that's a that that would be great. for a person who doesn't want a trainer, right? You know, I don't want to deal.

with some person. Let me just work out. on my own. But am I doing this right? Set your phone up. Have it correct you. Yeah. Yeah. At the office, uh some guys. are building, we have this partnership. with Whoop. I don't know if you've. um and uh uh they're building an app so. we can start competing on workouts based. on Whoop data. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah. Our company's like very weird for. Silicon Valley. Like we have a jiu-jitsu. mat and we have Oh, really? Yeah. We.

have a Do you guys bring in trainers? Mhm. Oh, that's [ __ ] great. That's. awesome. Don't get hurt. It's um you know, I only recently got. into it, but the uh the the the the. hardest thing about it is is to be calm. because your your impulse is to. overpower. Yes. Yeah. is to like the. Gracies have a great saying, keep it. playful. Yeah. And that's how you really learn. the best. It's very hard. And listen, I'm a giant hypocrite because most of my.

jiu-jitsu career, I was a meatthead, you. know, and I I that's one of the reasons. why I started really lifting weights a. lot is like I realized like strength is. very valuable. And and it is it is. valuable, but technique is the most. valuable. And the best way to acquire. technique is to pretend that you don't. have any strength. The best way to. acquire technique is pretend to yeah. don't force things just find the best. path and that requires a lot of data so. you have to understand the positions you.

know so you have to really analyze them. the best jiu-jitsu guys are really smart. like uh Mikey Musimichi Gordon Ryan. Craig Jones those are very intelligent. people and that's why they're so good at. jiu-jitsu and then you also have to. apply that intelligence to recognize. that discipline is a massive factor. Like Mikey Musimichi trains every day, 12 hours a day. 12 hours a day. 12 hours. a day. Oh yeah. Is that humanly possible. to It's possible. Yeah. Because he's not.

training full blast. It's not like like. you can't squat 12 hours a day, 350 lbs. Your body will break down. But you can. go over positions over and over and over. and over again until they're in muscle. memory. But you're not doing them at. full strength, right? So like if you're. rolling, right? Um, so say if you're. doing drills, uh, you would set up like a guard pass. You know, when you're doing a guard. pass, you would tell the person lightly. resist and I I'm going to put light. pressure on you. And you go over that.

position, you know, um, knee shield. pass, you know, hip into it. Turn. Here's the counter on the counter. Dar, you know, go for the dar. the person. defends the darus roll take the back and. just do that over and over and over. again until it's muscle memory right and. it's like completely ingrained in your. body sort of chess players just like. let's focus on the end game just keep. repeating the end game end game I read. the Josh Whiteskin book what was it.

called I forgot you know his book about. like I think chess and jiu- jitsu was it. yeah Josh was just in here a few months. ago he's great just but it's so. interesting interesting to see a a super. intelligent person apply that. intelligence to jiu-jitsu. You know, one. of interesting things when I started. getting into I've I've always been into, you know, different kinds of sports um. and then per periods of of extreme. programming and and and and obesity. But.

then. but then I tried to get back into it. Um. I was a swimmer uh early on, but um one. thing that I found especially in the. lifting community is how intelligent. everyone are. They're actually almost. like. uh you know they they're they're so. focused they're um autistically focused. on like form and program and you know. they they spend so much time designing. these spreadsheets for your program and.

uh well that's it. People have this like. really. we we we have this view of things. physical that physical things are not. intelligent things but you need. intelligence in order to manage. emotions. Emotions are a critical aspect. of anything physical. Any really good. athlete, you need a few factors. You. need discipline, hard work, genetics,

but you need intelligence. It might not. be the same intelligence apply. People. also they confuse intelligence with your. ability to express yourself, your. vocabulary, your your your history of. reading, you know, like your bias. almost. Yes. Huge bias. That's like the. uh sort of modern desk job by the laptop. class bias. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they. assume that anything that you're doing. physically, you're now no longer using.

your mind. But it's not true. To in. order to be disciplined, you have to. understand how to manage your mind. Managing your mind is an intelligence in. and the ability to override those. emotions to conquer that inner [ __ ]. that comes to you every time I lift that. [ __ ] lid off of that coal plunge. That takes intelligence. You have to. understand that this temporary. discomfort is worth it in the long run. because I'm going to have an incredible. result after this is over. I'm going to.

feel so much better. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I haven't thought about of. intelligence in order to manage your. emotions, but that's totally true. because you're constantly doing the. selft talk. Yeah. You're trying to like. trick yourself into doing people that. are very intelligent that don't have. control over their emotions, but they're. intelligent in some ways. It's just. they've missed this one aspect of. intelligence which is the management of. the functions of the mind itself right. and they don't think that that's. critical but it is critical it's. critical to every aspect of your life.

and it'll actually improve all those. other intellectual pursuits you know to. tie it back to the like AI discussion I. think a lot of the sort of programmer. researcher type is like they know that. one form of intelligence and they. overrotate on that and they and that's. why I was like oh we're so close to like. you. you know, perfecting intelligence, right? It's because that's what you. know, but there's a lot of other forms. of intelligence. There's a lot of forms. of intelligence. And unfortunately, we're very we we're very narrow in our.

perceptions of these things and and very. biased and we think that our. intelligence is the only intelligence, right? And that this one thing that we. concentrate on, this is the only thing. that's important, right? Have you uh. have you read or done any CBT, cognitive. behavior therapy? No. Uh basically uh. CBT is like a way to uh get over. depression and anxiety based on self. selft talk and and cues. Um I I had to.

use it again. I had like sleep issues. I. had to use CBTI um cognitive behavior. therapy for insomnia. Um and the the. idea behind it is to um uh build up. what's called uh sleep pressure. Uh so. you don't first of all you you. insomnia is performance anxiety. Once you stop once you have insomnia. you start having anxiety like but by the.

time bedtime comes like oh my god I'm. just going to right that's interesting. I'm just going to, you know, torn over. in bed and I'm just going to be in bed. And then you start associating your. bedroom with the suffering of insomnia. Uh because you're like sitting there and. like you know uh your own mind and. really suffering. It's really horid. horrific. And um first of all, you treat your. bedroom as a sanctuary. You only there. when you want to sleep. So that's like. one thing you program yourself to do.

Um, and the other thing is, uh, you. don't nap the entire day. You don't nap. at all, no matter what happens. Like, uh, even if you're really sleepy, like. get up and take a walk or whatever. And. then you build up what's called sleep. pressure or like you're now you have. like a lot of um, sleepiness. So, you go. to bed, you try to fall asleep. If you. don't fall asleep within 15, 20 minutes, you get up, you go out, you do something. else, and then when you feel really. tired again, you go back to bed. Oh god.

Uh and then and then and then finally. once you fall asleep uh if you wake up. in the middle of the night which is. another sort of form of insomnia uh. instead of staying in bed you get up. You go somewhere else. You go read or or. do whatever. And like slowly you program. yourself to see your bed and oh like my. the bed is where I sleep. It's only. where I sleep. I don't do anything else. there. Um and you can you can get over. insomnia that way instead of using pills. and all the other stuff. Oh the pills. are the worst. God, people that need.

those [ __ ] things to sleep, I feel. for them. I go I can sleep like that. That's amazing. I can sleep on the road. That's a blessing. That's a blessing. My. wife hates it. It drives her nuts cuz. sometimes she has insomnia. I could. sleep on rocks. I could just go lay down. in the on a dirt road and fall asleep. Wow. But I'm always going hard. When. you're always going hard, you're That's. the other thing. Yeah. I I don't take. naps, you know, and I work out basically. every day. And so I'm always tired. I'm. always ready to go to sleep. So, so, so.

do you fight it or do you just It's not. in you to like take a nap. I don't need. a nap. Yeah. Yeah. I never need naps. Yeah. How many hours do you sleep? I try. to get eight. Mhm. You get Do you get. eight? No. Last night I didn't get. eight, but I got seven. Six and a half. Probably. I got six and a half last. night. Yeah. But that was because I got. home and I already started watching TV. because I was a little freaked out about. the war. And so when I'm freaked out. about the war, I like to um fill my mind. with nonsense. Oh, what kind of Well, I.

just watch things that have nothing to. do with the war. Like I'm I I play pool. I'm pretty competitive. I'm real pretty. good. And so I like watching. professional pool matches and there's a. lot of them on YouTube. So I just watch. pool and I just watch, you know, patterns, how guys get out, stroke, how. they use their stroke, like how. different guys have different approaches. to the game. It's crazy. with type A. people. I was like for you although pool. is an escape it suddenly becomes an. obsession and you're like I need to be. the best at it. I'm very obsessed. So I.

you know I I told you I quit video games. but then um last year I was very. stressed like the company was doing. really poorly before we sort of invented. this uh agent uh technology and uh and. then also the the you know Gaza uh. genocide. I was like watching these. videos every night of just like really. really affecting me. I can't watch that. stuff at night. That the at night is. when I get my anxiety. Yeah. I mean, I. don't generally have anxiety, but not.

like a lot of people do. I mean, when I. say anxiety, I really feel for people. that genuinely suffer from actual. anxiety. My anxiety is all sort of. self-imposed. And when I get online at. night and I think about the world, my. family's asleep, which is generally when. I write in a if as long as I'm writing, I'm okay. Okay. Comedy. Yeah. You know, I I write like sort of an essay form, then I extract the comedy from it. But. when I um get online and I I just pay. attention to the world, that's when I. really freak out because it's all out of.

your control and it's just murderous. psychopaths that are running the world. and you just it just at any moment you. could be, you know, in a place where. they decide to attack and then you're a. pawn in this [ __ ] insane game that. these people are playing in the world. That's why I felt really frustrated with. my family being there. I was like, they. they have no say in it, right? The war. started, rockets are flying, you know? It's like, but anyways, I um I started.

uh uh playing a video game. It's called. Hades. Uh Hades 2. It's like an RPG uh. video game. And uh and I was like, I'm. trying to disconnect. Mhm. And then I. started speedrunning that game. Do you. know what speedrunning is? No. It's like. you're trying to finish the game as fast. as possible, as fast as humanly as. possible. Um, and I got down to like six minutes. and I was number 50 in the world. Whoa. But legitimately, oh yeah. Yeah. My.

score is online. A bunch of people to. play for. That was crazy. Yeah, that was. Why is he doing that? That was crazy. It's it's it's myth building, you know. Weird. Yeah. Um but yeah, it is it is. this thing about about Taipei people. like you're uh you're just you're you. know even in the in the your escapism. becomes competitive and stressful. Well, sort of. But it's also I feel like it's. a discipline. I feel like uh pool is a. discipline just like archery. I'm also.

obsessed with archery. Archery is a. discipline. And I feel like the more. divergent disciplines that you have in. your life, the more you understand what. it is about these things that makes you. excel and get better at them. And the. more thing when I get better at those. things, I get better at life. It's I. apply it to everything. Yeah. This is. another thing that AI now struggles with. which is called transfer learning. You. learning something from domain like. learning something from math on how to.

like do reasoning in math and being able. to do reasoning in politics. We just. don't have evidence of of that yet. Um, and I know I feel the same way. Everything like even powerlifting when I. got really into it, which is like the. most unhealthy sport you can you can do. You break your joints down. Break your. joints. You look like [ __ ] cuz you know. the more you eat, you can lift more. You. get fat. They're all fat. A lot of them. unless they're competing at a weight. class. You have to be lean. Yeah. Um,

and uh what is that uh repertoire? Have. you ever had him on the jug of milk? Uh. go mad. You know go mad? No. Gallon of. milk a day. Do you know that? Uh do you. know it? Disgusting. Disgusting. Yeah. So basically a gallon of milk a day. Yeah. So Mark repertoire he's um he. wrote this book called Starting Strength. and it became like the the main way most. most guys at least my age like getting. into uh powerlifting. It was about. technique. It was about like his whole. thing is like look you know everyone. comes into lifting they think it's.

bodybuilding. powerlifting is nothing. like that. And he also looks looks like. [ __ ] and he's fat. Uh but his technique. is amazing. And so the way he gets young guys to. like get really good and really strong. Uh he puts them on a gallon of milk a. day. Does that really have a positive. effect? Yeah. I mean he he has a YouTube. channel like he has a lot of guys that. are really really strong and he's he's. been a coach for a lot of people. What. is it about a gallon of milk a day? Is. it just the protein intake? What is it? Paragraph on it. I mean it's okay here. it is. Drink a gallon of milk a day.

GoDad is undeniably the most effective. nutritional strategy for adding slabs of. mass to young underweight males. Milk is. relatively cheap, painless to prepare, and the macronutrient profile is very. balanced and calories are always easier. to drink than eat. Unfortunately, those. interested in muscular hypertrophy, hypertrophy rather, who are not young, underweight, and male populations where. GMO is not recommended will need to put. more effort into the battle to avoid. excess fat accumulation. Body.

composition can be manipulated. progressively much like barbell training. to achieve the breast results. For. example, the starting strength novice. linear progression holds exercise. selection frequency and volume variables. constant. Okay. Every 48 to 72 hours, the load stressor is incrementally. increased to elicit an adaptation in. strength. If the load increases too. significant or insignificant, the. desired adaptation won't take place. Yeah. This is the intelligence, right? This is the intelligence involved in.

lifting that people who are on the. outside of it would dismiss. Science. Yeah. Um, you know, I'm so honored to be. the the guy that introduces Joe Rogan to. starting strength. you go mad. Yeah, go mad. Repar is so. funny. You should like watch some of his. videos. He's he has like this very thick. uh Texan accent and he just like his. audience shits on him all the time. They. call him fat and ugly and whatever and. he and he abuses his audience too. Let me see this guy. Let me see this.

guy. Put his picture up. That's the. That's old photo. He's not much better. Yeah. So he's just a nerd. Yeah, he's he's a. he's a huge nerd. I did like Yeah, he. used to lift a lot uh a lot of weight. Yeah, there's a lot. That's what he used. to look like. That one photo with him. with the the hairy chest. The black. Okay. Oh, maybe here. Wow. Damn. Is that. him? Is that him? I don't think so. Really? It does look like him. Yeah, that's him. He used to be jacked. Okay,

that's good. Oh, so he was a bodybuilder. at one point in time, but but then he he. got on that go matchet. Now he's a. powerlifter. simply no other exercise, no machine provide the level of muscular. stimulation and growth than the. correctly performed full squat while. he's deadlifting in that image. That's. weird. So he he also makes you squat on. every on every uh day of lifting. Oh. Uh. so squat every time every time you lift. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Well, his idea is.

like squat is a full body exercise. like. you can just go to the gym. And when I. when I used to be busy and I just want. to maintain like be healthy, I'll just. squat every just get 15 20 minutes of. squat. 15 20 minutes squat and and just. get out of the gym. Um but I do. something with legs every day. Yeah. Yeah. You have to but squat actually it. does feel like there's there's an upper. body component to it as well. Well, it's. also your body recognizes like, oh, this. [ __ ] wants to lift like really heavy. things. We got to get big, right?

Exactly. Yeah. It's the best way to get. big. Yeah. Yeah. Because your body just. realizes like, okay, we have to adapt. This [ __ ] wants to. lift giant things every day. Yeah. Yeah. It's hilarious. And you know the other. one, I'm sure you you know him. I think. you introduced me to to him through your. podcast. Um Louis Simmons, right? Yeah. Those those guys are crazy. You watch. the Netflix documentary? I didn't watch. the Netflix doc. But we did actually. interview him. He's like one of the few. people that I traveled to go meet, right, who went to Westside Barber. I.

saw that. It was great. We have some of. his equipment out here. Reverse hyper. Yeah, we have the reverse hyper is so. good for people that have back problems. Everyone that has a back issue, I Let me. show you something. And I bring them out. to the reverse hyper machine and I'm. like, "This thing will actively. strengthen and decompress your spine.". Right. Right. It's so good. It's so good. for people that have like lower back. issues where the doctor just wants to. cut them. I'm like, "Hold on. Hold on. Don't do that right away." I had back. pain uh since since my late teens and.

and and the doctors want to uh like they. um they they did a MRI and they they. found that there's there's a bit of a. bulge and they want to do an operations. on it. Yeah. They want to do a. dissecttomy. Someone wanted to put me in. anti-depressants. Apparently you can. manage pain with anti-depressants. Have. you heard of that? Yeah. Apparently it's. a thing. Um and and um and through. listening to your podcast and others uh. I was like I was just going to get. strong. So I got I got strong squats and.

things like that and and and the pain. got a lot better. Didn't didn't go. entirely. But the thing that like really. got me over the hump and this this one. was crazy. Um uh are you familiar with. the mind body prescription? No. John. Sarno. Oh okay. Yes. I heard about him. on Howard Stern because he was talking. about how a lot of back pain is. psychossematic. Psychossematic. Yeah. I. don't So his idea and again this is like. he doesn't understand jiu-jitsu because. a lot of back pain is real as [ __ ].

Right. Right. Right. I I mean I don't. think settle down. I I think for me it. was a combination um of both like. there's something physically happening. but like his idea is that um his idea is. that your mind is creating the pain to. distract you from emotional. psychological pain. and I think that's the case in some. people. Yeah. And um and then doctors. will go do an image and often.

um they'll find something and he thinks. that like lumbar imperfections are. almost in everyone. Yes, I think that's. true. And then and then uh the doctors. latch on to that. and uh and your mind latches on to that. and you you start reinforcing. telling yourself. that uh that I have this thing and the. pain gets worse. There's also another. thing called the salience network. Have. you heard of this? No. If you can bring.

up the Wikipedia page for Sus network uh. because I don't want to get it wrong but. the sus network is a network in the. brain that neuroscientists found um. uh uh my doctor uh Tadaki he told me. about this um the uh uh salience network. it gets um reinforced. uh whenever you obsess over your pains. or your health issues. M that makes sense. So it's responsible.

for perception and the more you. reinforce it's like a it's like a muscle. the more you reinforce it it's sort of. like AI you know reinforcement learning. the more you reinforce it it becomes. more of an issue including various. functions including social behavior. self-awareness and integrating sensory. emotional and cognitive information I. bet social media is really bad for that. right totally. right and and so you know a lot of the. you know fatigue and things like that at. some point I'm like [ __ ] Okay. Uh, like.

I did a lot of other things, but at some. point I'm like, "Fuck it. I don't I. don't care about it. I don't have it. I'm just going to I'm just going to be. uh I'm just going to be good." Just not. concentrate on that. Yeah. Because I was. reading about it all the time. I was. doing I was like really worried and I. had Abigail Shrier talking about that in. regards to cognitive therapy that. there's a lot of people that like obsess. on their problems so much that their. problems actually become bigger. Yes. And this is it. This is the neuroscience. behind it. The salience network course.

makes sense. Yeah. Um, but there's legit. back problems. Legit back. That's why the John Sarno. thing I was like, okay, not for me. I. I'd understand how some people could. develop that issue. But his his insight. was like, look, I ran a clinic in New. York City for a long time and there. these u chronic illnesses come in waves. There is a there's a ulcers wave in the. like 90s. Oh, because it became a thing. that people were talking about a lot.

Yes. Wow. And then there's a there's. like a neck pain and then there's an. RSI. The most recent one was RSI. What. is RSI? Uh repetitive strain injury. Oh. And again, these all thing all these. things have rational. um uh explanations. For for me, I was in the computer all. the time. Uh and I was like, "Oh, my my. arm hurts." And uh and yeah, maybe you. know there was some aspect of it, I was. programming a lot. Uh but but also after.

I read John Sarno and and and I realized. that some of it might be also. psychological that you know it's stress. Uh I don't know what what's maybe I have. some childhood issues but uh but but. like you just realize that a lot of it. and maybe the other way is true as well. When you just like minimize it, it just. becomes less of a of an issue in your. mind. But the fact that it is like. fashion should tell you that there's. something psych psychosmatic about.

right. The fact that it does come in. waves like that for sure. And then once. it's in the zeicist. ulcers or whatever it is. Yeah. Every I. remember when I when we were kids like. everyone had ulcers and it was like oh. it's from coffee in the morning. Uh like. there's all these I don't know anyone. that had ulcers now, right? I don't. either. That's true. That's that's. crazy. That's wild. This is wild. The. mind like the the way it can benefit you. or the way it can hold you prisoner. Yeah. And again, this is maybe why I.

have like a little like um different. view about AI and humans and all of that. from from from Silicon Valley. Like this. is a weird thing, but um uh. every time I set my mind to like meet. someone, I meet them, including you. Oh. wow, that's weird. Like yeah, I want I. want to meet this person. something. happens, some chain of events, but. obviously, you know, you also see.

obviously you're doing something very. you're you're you're not just thinking. it, you're also doing things, right? Which is my problem with like the secret. and like the power of manifesting. things. I don't go that far, but I don't. know like there's something there's. something there's something there. I. agree. There's something to it. Yeah. I just I I think the mind and our. connection to reality is not as simple. as we've been told. Not at all. I I.

think there's there's something there. And again, when you when you start. looking at psychedelics and and stuff. like that, there's there's something. there. And. um I remember um listening to to one of. I I I love JRE circa early 2010s. Um, it. was a there was a remote viewing uh you. were talking about a remote viewing. episode. Um, and I was like, "Wow, that's that's crazy." Uh, and um, obviously very skeptical of it. The idea. that you can meditate and like see.

somewhere else or see see it from above. Yeah. I read a book by Da Vinci. It's. called Da Vinci's Brain, I think. Um, Da. Vinci is like fascinating. Who's this. [ __ ] guy? He does everything and um and he he. literally is like across all these. domains and uh he doesn't he barely. sleeps like he has this polyphasic sleep. thing which I tried once it's torture. Um basically every four hours you sleep.

for 15 minutes. When I was uh when I was in university I. um uh I was I was very good at computer. science but I hated going to school. And. in Jordan, if you don't go to school, they ban you from from the exam. Oh, wow. And I was getting A's, but I just. didn't want to like I didn't want to sit. in class. Uh, and actually, this is when. I started thinking about programming on. my phone. I was like, maybe I can code. my phone class. Um, but uh, but I felt. there was like injustice like I just.

ADHD, whatever you want to call it. Like. I just can't sit in class like just give. me give me a break. And so I felt. justified to, you know, rebel or fix the situation. somehow. So I decided to like hack into. the university and change my grades so I. can graduate because everyone was. graduating. It was like five years in. It took me six years to get through. through a 4-year program just because I. can't sit in class. Um and you know have. some some some dyslexia and things like. that. But um so uh I um I I decided to.

do that and I'm like okay I'm I'm like. hacking takes a lot of time because like. you're you're coding you're scripting. you're running scripts against servers. and and you're waiting and I'm like I'm. just going to uh you know to optimize my. time I'm just going to do this Da Vinci. thing where like four four hours by the. way there's a Seinfeld episode where. what's his name of the crazy guy in. Seinfeld um Kramer Kramer Kramer does. poly physics sleeping. Maybe I learned.

it from there. I'm not sure. But um how. do you wake up? Uh you set an alarm. Oh. god. Yeah, it's it's torture. That. sounds so crazy. So apparently Da Vinci. used to do that. But anyways, I I was. able to to hack into the university by. like working for weeks using uh. polyphasic sleep uh and was able to. change my grades. Um and uh. uh initially I didn't want to do it on. myself but I had a neighbor who uh went.

together to school and and and I was. like you know let's change this grade. and see see if it actually succeeds and. actually succeeded in in his case and it. was my lab rat but uh in my case u I got. caught and and the reason I got caught. is uh there is. the the you know in the database uh. there's your grade out of 100 um you. know zero to 100 uh when you get banned. because of attendance your grade is de. facto 35. So I thought I would just.

change that and that's the thing that. will get me to to pass. Well, turns out. there's another field in the database. about whether you're banned or not. Ah. this is bad. This is bad coding. This is. bad programming because it's this this. database is not normalized. There's a. state in two different fields. So I'll. put the blame on them. for not designing. the right database. That's hilarious. You blame them for. your hacking being successful. So what. was the punishment? Uh so so uh the.

entire university system went down. because there's this anomaly. I was I. was I was you know um uh I passed but at. the same time I was I was banned. And so. I got a call. uh from the head of the registration. system and it was like 700 p.m. whatever. it was landline and I pick up the call. He's like, "Hey, listen. We have this. issue we're dealing with. Like the. entire thing is down and and it just. shows your record. There's a problem. with it. Do you know anything about it?". And at the time I'm like, "All right,

there's like a fork in the road." You. know, I either like come clean or it's. like this is a lie that will like live. for me forever. And I was like, I was. just gonna say I was like, "Yeah, I I. did it." Uh, and I was like, "What do. you mean?" I was like, "Okay, I'll I'll. come explain it to you." So, so the next. day I I go there and it's all the. university deans and it's like one of. the best computer science universities. in in the region, the princess of my. university for technology. Um, and. they're all nerds, you know, it's it's. so I the the the discussion became.

technical on like how I hacked in the. university and I I want the whiteboard. and explaining what I did, the systems, whatever. And it just felt like a. brainstorming session. I'm like, "All. right, I'll see you guys later." I was. like, "Wait, um, we need to figure out. what to do with you." Like, you know, this is serious. Um, and uh, I'm like, "Oh crap." Um, but the president of uh, they they kind of put the decision to. the president and he was I forgot his. name, but he was such an enlightened. guy. Um, and and I went and told him.

like I just didn't mean any malice. I. just felt like justified. I need to. graduate. I've been here for a long. time. actually do good work and um and. he's like, "Look, you're you're. talented. Um but with great power comes. great responsibility." He gave me the. Spider-Man line. Um and he said, "Uh for. us to forgive you, you're going to have. to go and harden the uh systems in the. university against against hacking." So. I spent the summer trying to work with. the with the engineers at the university.

to to do that. But uh but they hated me. because you know I'm the guy that hacked. into the system. So they would like. blackball me. Like sometimes I'll show. up to work and they wouldn't open the. door and I can see them like I can see. you there. I'm knocking. And they. wouldn't let me in and let me work with. them. Um we did some stuff to to fix it. And and then uh uh I I gained uh um you. know fame maybe notoriity in the in the. university and actually got me my first. job. um uh while I was in school and um.

it's a different story, but that that. job was was at a at a startup that ended. up making uh videos that were big part. of the Arab Spring. Um Oh, wow. Yeah. Uh. and I I was part of some of these uh. videos as well. But anyways, uh so uh. one of the computer deans uh was like, "Hey, listen. I really helped you out, computer science dean. I really helped. you out when you had this problem and I. need you to work with me uh in order to.

do another research to hack into the. university again. It's like. I'm not not going to do that. Like I. don't want to get No, it's like no, you're not going to get in trouble. You're you're going to sanctioned. It's. going to be sanctioned. So So again, I. worked tirelessly on that. This time I I. invent a piece of software to help me do. that. uh and um and I I was able to like. find more uh more uh vulnerabilities. Uh and so I show up at my project. defense and it's uh it's like a.

committee of different deans and. students and all that. Uh, and so I go. up and I start um explaining my my. project and like I run a scan against. the university network and it showed a. bunch of red like there's. vulnerabilities. and one of the prof uh deans was like no. that's fake. You that's not true. It. started dawning in me that I was like a. pawn in some kind of power struggle. power struggle. So that that guy was. responsible for this universal system. and this guy's using me too.

I was like, "Oh shit." But like, "I'm. not going to back down." I was like, "No, it's not a lie. It's true." Uh, and. so, uh, I like tap into that univer uh, vulnerability and I go into the database. and I'm like, "Um, all right. What do. you what do you want me to show your. salary or your password?". It's like, "Show me my password." So, I. show him the password. Uh, and uh, I was. like, "No, that's not my password. It. was encrypted." But they also have in. the database like a dec decrypt function.

which they shouldn't have but they had. it. So I was like decrypt to the. password and the password showed on the. screen in the middle of the defense. And. so he still his his his face was red and. he shakes my hand and he leaves to. change his password. That's awesome. And I graduated and you. know they cut me some slack and I I was. able to to graduate. That's awesome. That's a great story. We we'll end with. that. Yeah. Thank you very much, brother. I really appreciate it. Really.

fun. That was a great great. conversation. Um, your app, let everyone. know about it. replet. There it is. Yeah. Replet. Replet.com. Go make some apps. Go make. some apps, people. Avoid the whatever. the hell's going to happen to the AI. All right. Thank you very much. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].