Joe Rogan Experience #2337 - Oliver Anthony

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe. Rogan podcast by night. All day. And we're up, my friend. How are you? Good to see you. Long time no talk. Yeah, brother. Yeah. How you doing? You. good? Good. I um man, I remember like. towards the last the end of the last. time I was here, you said, "Oh, yeah. We'll probably see you again in a couple. years." And I was just looking around. like, "Yeah, I'll never see any of this.

again." You're back quicker than you. thought. Yeah, bro. That new song is. fire. Oh, thanks. Yeah, I played that. song about 20 times in the green room. And uh the first time I played it, everybody just sat around and went, "Oh, shit.". It was so funny that um yeah, I didn't. expect the song to Well, you know, I. didn't I wasn't the one I guess it was. Adam that sent it to I don't even know. how you got a hold of the song. originally. Yeah, Adam sent it to me. originally. Yeah, I sent it I'd sent it.

to him like um Yeah, just kind of just. to get his opinion of it or whatever. And he's like, "I got it." He's like, "Do you mind if I share this around?". And I was like, "Yeah, go ahead." Bro, the first time I heard it was in the. green room. And the green room has a. killer sound system. So, we we put it on. the Bluetooth and cranked it and all of. us there was like 10 dudes in that room. going, "Oh [ __ ] oh shit." Some of those. lines like, "Oh shit.". Yeah. Woo. What what makes that song. different, I guess, than anything I've.

done or than a lot of music now is that. we're um we tried to like do it the way. Leonard Skard or somebody would back in. this where we're all just in the house. and there's no like man there's so much. editing that goes into music now on the. back end and stuff and with this we're. just like in there doing it and you know. try to keep it as real as as possible. like um you know there's no there's no. click tracks, there's no real editing. It's just kind of like we're all just in. this house. I mean it's it was is the. worst timing to record. But um that was.

that January 5th, 6th, 7th window was. the only time that everybody could meet. up. You know, Billy Contras on the. fiddle and everybody and cuz he he tours. with Ricky Skags and he's kind of all. over the place. So that was like our. time to meet. So a couple days before we. all went to West Virginia to record at. my house up there the um this like. terrible storm they were calling for. It's like the worst one since the '9s. supposedly or that's what Draven says. But so we got all the snow, all this. ice. So, um, so yeah, we used a a side. by side and a jeep to haul everything up.

and down. It was like just all we could. do to get up and down to the house. And. then as right as soon as we get. everything plugged in, ready to go, the. power knocks out. And uh, I was like, we were all just so. discouraged. And um luckily there you. know there's a Lowe's not terribly far. away and they had one they had like a. Honda inverter generator that was like. safe to plug everything into you know. like a where the waves aren't going to. mess everything up and um so yeah we you. know we recorded the song while on a. generator. So you have to worry about.

the waves of the generator like the. sound of the generator. Is that what it. is? No like the electrical pulses. Yeah. Like plugging all of that expensive. equipment into just like a a Yeah. a. generator that's on an inverter. Like. the voltage like goes up and down, I. guess. Or I don't know. That's all above. my pay grade. But we had to find one. that was like safe to plug all that. equipment into, you know? Well, it maybe. that's something in the song, too, you. know, like maybe that you're trapped in. a storm. That's a scary ass song, dude.

It's a scary I can't wait for the Yeah. See, I hadn't put a lot of new music out. because um. well, I think back to even when I was. here last time and before we did the. episode and all um walking around on the. sidewalk out in front of the hotel with. Draven and a couple other people arguing. that I needed to just cash out from. Richmond and roll and not make this into. a long-term thing cuz I just um. well, dude, I just don't Some people. thrive in this environment like. everybody looking at them, but I to me.

it's just like so it just it kind of. takes it kind takes a little bit out of. me putting new music out. And so, you. know, after Richmond, I only had those. two new songs. I really just wanted to. let everything kind of slow down. And I. could still maybe do five or 10 shows a. year and make a little bit, but I wasn't. trying to be like a superstar. I didn't. want everybody just to be I didn't want. to be stuck in that spot I was when I. was at Richmond where everybody's just. like obsessing over stuff. And so, I. kind of just tried to let it die. And. then it, you know, it wouldn't. It was. like the streams kept continuing and.

people were still messaging me and. emailing and the shows were still. selling out and I just realized like. I don't know, you know, I believed. everybody that said, "This kid's got 15. minutes of fame and whatever." And I. would have been during when Richmond. blew up, I would have been one of those. guys who would have been like, "Oh, that. stupid guy." You know, like I would have. been a hater, too. So, I'm I was almost. like rooting for them like, "Yeah, you know, cuz you got to think, man, the. first check from Richmond was $800,000. Like, I can I could have lived a long. time off of that money, you know, like I.

don't need a whole lot of like that was. crazy, you know, that was a decade or. more of work for me easily." And so, it's like I was like, "Heck yeah, I'm. good. I'll just take it, you know?" And. um anyway, I say all that to say that. now it's like I'm going to at least just. I'm going to at least just hit it good. one more time. I've got we've got six. songs recorded now to come after. Scornful that are all like I'm pretty. proud of them. They're good. And so, um. I'm going to put those out and then who. knows after that. But let me tell you. what's going to happen. You got a.

relationship with those people now, man. They love you. Yeah. It's just your mission in life. You. know, you just got handed a wild hand of. cards and this is your your deck of. cards. You know, your deck of cards is. or your hand of cards is you put this. song out, this authentic song that's. very simple in this time where nothing's. simple. In this time where everything's. confusing and all, you don't know who's. telling the truth. The news is lying to.

you. Everything is being funded. Nothing's organic. It's half the [ __ ]. traffic on social media is bots. At. least politicians are lying. Everybody's. confused. People are sing for. politicians. They're they're getting. paid to repeat talking points on. television and on podcasts and all over. social media. So when someone comes up. with something like that is just that. dude telling you how he feels. Yeah. Real raw. You know, I remember we had.

that conversation on the phone and I was. like, if you can do that, you could do. that again. You don't they don't need. anybody else. You don't need these. [ __ ] who want you to cash out. all these. They they just they they're. doing that because they think that. you're gullible. They think that you're. naive in the ways of the entertainment. music business. The first [ __ ] live. show you ever performed was a giant. soldout show at a state fair. Do you. know how crazy that is? That's your. first live show. That Well, that that. very first show was actually um it was.

even more amateur than that. It was at a. farm market. It was um it wasn't even a. there weren't even any tickets. It was. just like so it's crazy how it all it. just it goes back to when I I still. believe just as much now as I did the. last time I was here about and I don't I. definitely won't bug everybody too much. with all my hokeyp pokey religious stuff. either. Like I definitely want to read a. little bit out before we go. But I do. believe it was just it was all too. perfectly timed. But I had actually. picked that date out at the at the farm. market before Richmond blew up. That was. going to be my that was going to be my.

first time playing live either way. Oh. wow. That date it was like August the. 12th. I think I had booked it back in. July with that Morris Farm Market. I was. going to get 200 bucks and go play for. like it was like two and a half hours. Like seriously. And in that time that's. what h so like I already had that date. picked and yeah it was just at a farm. market and um like kind of near the. beach in Outer Banks and they say like. 12,000 people showed up and that was the. very first one. Yeah. And I just I remember even then. like I just I just expected everybody to.

sing Richmond and that was going to be. it and it'd be cool and I'd go back to. work the next week. But it was like even. in that crowd at that very first show, all the other songs they knew the words. to too and I was like this is like. something you know but wow. Um the. important thing too is that the the. important thing to take away from this. and I said this during Richmond but. people you know it was like. take me out of it. The fact that people. can now choose what they want and push. it to the top even in a system that's. rigged where there is bots and there's.

mass marketing money going into songs. and like labels spend a million dollars. on their own song to get it up the. label. Yeah. The fact that people can. just decide they like something and just. shoot it up to the top. Like people need. to realize how much power and influence. they have at least for a short period in. time in society. It's like the stars are. aligned where we can kind of It's funny. technology like can only develop on the. backs of people using it. And so like AI. and and all of this over the years, social media, like all the back end of.

that, it's been it's all that. information's being sort of extracted. from us. Like you think about like the. like the way a Tesla car rides down the. road and it's watching you drive and. you're like it's like reading your. analytics so it can learn how to drive. better. We know AI, that's the only. reason why they let everybody use AI is. so it can make the AI it's the user. input that's that's what makes it you. know and so for a very short period in. time it's like the stars are aligned. where they're having to like while. they're sucking all the humanity out of. us to put into this AI we also have full.

access to it and like so we can do like. even in the even in the music business. you know everything that the label used. to hold exclusive control over like the. publicity and the marketing and the. digital streaming service relationships, like all that stuff is now just alocart. to anybody. Like you don't need the you. don't need those big companies. All that. stuff you can just go and hire a really. good social media person and you can. work with a good music distributor. without having to sign anything or give. any of your rights up. And yeah, right. now the people have the power is what I.

mean for like a very short period of. time. But this should be a this should. just be a reminder of that. This song. being able to go up into the iTunes. charts even with stuff with way bigger. audiences with all kinds of marketing. reach. you know, the fact that this can. just organically go into the iTunes. charts like that and people, you know, it's just that's the thing that's the. thing I always take away from it is just. like, damn, dude. If we could just get. organized even for like two or three. years, we could just fix everything. Like we have like the people really do. have the power, at least right now for. for a short window of time, but we.

really do. I mean, we just but people. have to understand that we are all in. this together and that there's. organizations that want to drive us. apart. And the way to work out our. differences is conf having conversations. and negotiations and figuring out how to. work it out. It's not lighting cop cars. on fire. Like this is, you know, but the. spirit of those like not to defend any. of that crap, but I just that rebellious. nature in us is important too though. It. just has to be it has to be directed.

correctly. You shouldn't be burning. Whimos while holding a Mexican flag. trying not to get sent back to Mexico. I. mean, you're confusing the [ __ ] out of. me, dog. Like, who is your oppressor? Is. it the electric car? Is it the country. which you know, you want to stay, but. you're holding a flag of another. country? Like, what? Why are you wearing. a mask? Are you proud of this? Do you. not want to get arrested? What are we. doing? Are you scared of COVID? Like, I. want to know.

Well, it goes back to what you said. about mass manipulation and also like we. don't we've all sort of lost our. identity. That's why politics has become. so prevalent in like the way people. represent themselves to other people and. like you know that's like as as our as. our culture and our tradition and like. sort of the the knowledge of where our. families and all of that stuff comes. from. like we're just sort of all we're. just little boats out in a big ocean and. we're looking for somewhere to we're.

looking for some kind of identity to. reach out and grab and politics they. make politics so easy to reach out and. grab and make just like in the same way. that people just absorb themselves into. sports. Exactly. You know, they're way. out of shape, but they that like they. refer to their sports team as we like. our our defense did really Jimmy does. that all the time. We won. Talks about a. college where I'm from. Some college. where he's from. Well, that's maybe Get. out of here. Maybe if he's from there. though, then it doesn't count. I'm just. [ __ ] around. I'm a I'm not a team. sports guy, you know? I'm a combat.

sports guy and I would never say we won. Like if Kamaro Usman beat somebody, I'd. never say we won, you know? Camaro would. call me up. What the [ __ ] are you. saying, man? We You know what I did in. camp, you know? I mean, rounds I. sparred, you know? Yeah. All the punches he took. It's so. crazy. But if there's a group of guys, you can say we. But that's I see that. like I just see that becoming more and. more prevalent where there's not like I. don't know. It's sort of just like it's.

kind of even even to expand on the. thought of it. It's even like the way. that now we've all just sort of we're. all in these subcategories the way we. would be if we were in prison. We're all. like, you know, like in the same way. that when we use the word black and. white to describe like how many. different types of white and black are. there that all just get merged? It's. like it's it like creates this maybe. like group identity that's a lot easier. to control like for sure. Well, and then. it it shifts over time. Like my family. wasn't white. My family was Italian.

They were they were disparaged when they. first came to America from Europe. And. my grandfather used to tell me terrible. stories of what happened to him when he. was a boy living in America as an. Italian. They treated them the same way. terribly racist people were treating. people from Guatemala that sneak in. here. It's the same kind of thing. Yeah. Then after a while they sort of. integrated and now I'm white. Yeah. Now. now you're just a white person and I'm. just a regular white. But it's easy now. in n like in big public narrative and. stuff to it's e it's a lot easier to.

accuse you and 30 other different. nationalities of people who were all. very culturally different and unique and. just call all of you white people and. then pick the worst thing that one of. those nationalities did and just cast it. among the whole group. But it happens. with that with every ethnicity, every. identity. the go the goal is to like put. everyone in the world in one of three or. four buckets and then hopefully figure. out how to just put all of them into one. bucket eventually. It's like it's just m. it's just it's so much easier to control. two or three different types of people. than it is 30 or 40 or 100 or a. thousand, you know, which is also I.

think why they never fix the problems. that ail our inner cities. They they. want to keep that conflict. I really. believe that cuz if somebody wanted to. have a better, stronger economy, the. first thing you would do is you want. more people in the workforce. So you'd. want less people that are. disenfranchised, completely out of. society, felons, all that stuff. That. doesn't do anything but cost the country. money, right? Unless you have private. prisons. Now in private prisons, those.

people become a business and then that. business contributes to the escalation. of laws and they want to make sure the. laws stay in place because that way. their business is always full. They have. plenty of customers. Their customers are. human beings that they turn into. batteries to generate money. That's what. it is. It's like those people, every. person they have in there, they get more. money, which is wild. It's wild that we. allow that. But then it's also like. keeping a certain amount of crime in. certain areas ensures that you're always.

going to have debates over law. enforcement. You're always going to have. conversations over disenfranch. We need. DEI. We need this. We need quotas. We. need to hire more people of this or of. that. Ignoring the fact that these a lot. of these things, especially with. universities, are the most racist, especially towards Asians. They're. racist as [ __ ] towards Asians. There's. lawsuits about it. Harvard is is that. still going on? The Harvard lawsuit.

where they specifically made their. application process, like the whole. acceptance process, more difficult for. Asians cuz they were kicking too much. ass. They had too many like Asian people. that were willing to [ __ ] work their. ass off, study 12 hours a day, get. straight A's. They're like, man, there's. too many of these folks. We got to make. it tougher. What did they do to make it. more difficult? Specifically, they. attached a bunch of things. I believe. the argument is they attached a bunch of. things like social stuff like how much.

do you uh engage in, you know, activism? How often are you involved in you know. social activities on campus? You know, what other things are you doing other. than just pure academic work? They're. like trying to slow them down. They're. literally trying to slow them down. Yeah. Um. that's another great example too like uh. like even just to even just to that they. can blanket Asian like that as such a. like like it's Indian, it's Chinese,

there's a lot of but yeah, people that. come from a hard place are willing to. work hard. That's the difference. And. the the problem with mecracy is that. some [ __ ] will go for it. And. if you get a whole country of people. going for it, that gets scary for the. people that just want to take naps. It's. the same psychology that goes in like in. a lot of the smaller Appalachin towns. like um like where we where we recorded. was really close to Bramwell, West. Virginia. But if you look at like even. if you look at Bramwell, West Virginia. and their recent political history like.

the last mayor they had, she she. embezzled money from the town and there. was like you know and this is in a very. small t like so so government corruption. exists like everywhere and it almost is. like maybe in those big cities. I I I. understand definitely that I think. things are intentionally neglected like. to create chaos and to create this like. you said this need for more resources. and more but it's also just that maybe a. lot of those people that are in. positions are just very spineless and. self-centered and like they don't even. care that people are dying in their.

streets. They're worried about the the. the money that can be made and the ego. and the power of it. It goes back to. kind of what I said in that arc speech. about lack of leadership. I just see. that like if we had people in big cities. or in small Appalachin towns that had. like a real backbone to them and like. and and had they were in a real position. of like leadership where they wanted to. fix things that a lot of that stuff. would get addressed and covered. But we. just don't have the right people in. power maybe even is what it is even in. even in state government. The right. people don't run. They don't want that. job man. They don't want that smoke.

They don't want people attacking them. They don't want any of it. The right. people are the people that don't want to. be president. It's almost It's almost. like they've made these positions only. appealing to people who are like sort of. criminals. Sociopaths are criminals. Yeah. Real like who the [ __ ] wants to. run everything. You got to be crazy. I. don't even like running my whole house. I don't like having employees. It's too. much. It's too much responsibility. What. do you think would happen if just some. normal people ran the country though? Like just some average Joe. Like what if. me and you just went and ran the What if. me if you ran for president? What would.

happen? They would be get killed. Would. you put a [ __ ] convertible? They. would definitely shoot. They would. definitely be able to hit my big head. That's for sure. They wouldn't My head's. not that little either. You want a. cigar? Yeah, let's do it. Get on that. big dog. Well, the I smoked a cigar with. a guy one time that. What happened? This is the second cigar. It ended up all on the internet. Yeah. This is your second cigar ever? Yeah. Here. I keep it keep it running for a. minute. Yeah. And just pull on it. The. the real cigar guys, they want you to do. that first. She kind of baked the.

outside. Like it's a like it's I'm in high school. and it's like a fat joint. Oh, imagine a. joint like this. I guarantee you there's. some people out there, some rappers. rolling blunt blunts. You got to do it this way or they get. mad at you. Yeah, this is really good. Yeah. With. how much your privacy is being invaded. online, VPNs are no longer just a nice. thing to have. It's a necessity. Some. people think, "I don't need a VPN. because I have nothing to hide." But. that's exactly what data brokers want.

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watching on YouTube, you can get your. four free months by scanning the QR code. on screen or clicking the link in the. description. Shout out to Foundation. Cigars. Well, hey, I did I did smoke I. smoked half a block of black and mild. with um Chris Davidson from the Davidson. brothers while we were on tour one time. So, I guess that counts as as a cigar. Kind of a cigar. Like a Swisher sweets. They kind of. count as cigars. I have a talking about. Swisser Sweets. I have a friend of mine. that I ride side by sides with a lot um. named Jeremy and that's all he smokes.

are Swisher Sweets. And that's like his. anytime I see him, I'm like, "Yo, what's. up, Swisser Sweet?" So, I ended up. hitting him up on Instagram, Swisser. Sweet. And I said, "Hey, I got a friend. of mine." I was like, "Will you just. send him some merch?" And and they. totally did. Like he got this whole like. he got like all these shirts and hats. and he's the only guy I know that smokes. them, but he's like all day smoking. them. He's a um he was in the Marines. and stuff and he's he's out now and just. like rides a boat around all day and. hangs. He's like lives his dream life. now and smokes Swisser sweets. So I. wonder what percentage of Swisser sweets. get sliced open for blunts.

It's got to be 50, right? Jamie higher. Way higher 60%. or so. 75%. Jeremy's the only guy I know who really. smokes them without putting weed in them. or anything. He like he just likes them. Yeah. Heck yeah. Does he inhale them? Yeah, bro. Ron White does that with them. little tiny Ron White. Those little tiny. cigars. What are those things called. again, Jamie? We have a bunch of them. Yeah. I don't know. Like little. cigarellas or something. Yeah, he. brought me a case of them. Did I ever. tell you the my Ron White story? No, I.

don't think so. Did you? I'm going to. mess it all up, but that's okay because. that's what the that's what this is for. is to mess stuff up. So, it was the. night we recorded Gosh, my head is like. spinning now from this thing. This is. crazy. Um, the night that we tobacco the. day that we recorded the podcast that. night is when we went to the mothership. for the first time cuz Tom Sigura. invited me and right so we're sitting in. there in the green room. Ron White's. there and Tom and um a bunch of people, William Montgomery and I got to meet all.

these really cool people that night and. so Tom was like, "Man, you ought to get. up at the end of our set and do a couple. songs." And we only had one guitar and I. really wanted my guitar Joey, you know, the guy from he's in the Scornville. video, Joey Davis. I wanted him to get. up there and get to do it with me. And. Ron's like, "Well, I got a guitar in my. house." But and dude, he's going to he's. supposed to be getting on stage to do a. set in like less than an hour, you know, 45 minutes. So him and Joey get in his. car and they run every red light from. his house to back and go and get Ron.

White's guitar and that's what we used. for our second 15 minutes away. That was. such a risky move. Yeah. Like he said. they flew there and back. So you guys. performed on stage at the mothership. That was the first time a musical act. had ever performed there supposedly. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. And except for back. when it was a musical venue. Yeah. I. mean Steve Rayvon performed. You saw the. photos that we have in the the tunnel. Stevon performing there. I think it was. 83 he was there. I think if um I think I. think even by the end of this weekend we.

will be able to really have a good. blueprint for sound in there again. Like. it's it's a small room but I think it. would just sound you could really have. an immersive listening space for people. to like just such a cool spot to maybe. do music now and Oh yeah. No, I think it. would be a great spot to do music. It's. just we're always packed with comedians, you know. We'd only do it for someone. like you for It could be a lot. Yeah, it. could be like a every once in a while. like I love the idea of it being like a. live recorded thing that cuz I my. favorite music to listen to is the live.

version of almost anything anyway of. people and it would be cool to go back. and I mean our plan with this we're. going to record we'll record Friday and. Saturday night and my plan is to put out. some kind of mothership live at the. mothership and like have some of the. money go back to the humane society. Oh. that's awesome. Um that's beautiful. We're going to record it and just see. what h see what happens. But even if we. just get a couple songs out of it or. something and put them out and Oh, that's badass. But yeah, I like that. I. really like the Austin Humane Society. They um I was looking at all their they.

got like some really funny dogs and. stuff on there, too. But I uh I think. it'd be I think it's cool getting to do. something with them. Yeah, I can't go to. those places. I would have a 100 dogs. They got this one dog on their website. I should have I should have sent it to. you, but I don't know. Maybe Jamie can. find it. But it's like there's this one. like older dog. I think he's a Chihuahua. or something, but he's got this real. funny name like Buddy or Poppy or. something, but he's like the most like. he doesn't have any teeth. His tongue's. hanging out. I was like, that's my I. could just take him home with me. Buddy. or something. I've had a bunch of rescue. dogs in my life. Um, there's a thing.

there's like a relationship you have. with them that's different than any. other dog. Like they [ __ ] they're so. they love you so much. They're so happy. you rescued them. Like they know that. you rescued them. Whereas my dog. Marshall, he has no idea. He's like. living the best life. He's just like, "Everyone's my friend." Yeah. He has uh. he's never [ __ ] growled at a person. in his life. He's nothing but sweet. Think about how lucky you got to be to. be Joe Rogan's dog. That's pretty cool. Like what's the odds of that out of all. the dogs? How lucky am I to have a dog.

like him? Yeah. He's the best dog ever. Yeah, I know. He's like a little human. He's like a human. Like we have. conversations. Like he he knows like not. just words. He knows like when I'm. saying something like what to do. Like. he me and that dog are like locked in. It's wild. He's the best. He's just all. love. Like for everybody that comes. over. Like when people come over the. studio and he's here, he just does a. circle. He's like, "I'm your friend.". And then he licks you. I'm your friend.

And just goes around and he sees you. The first thing he does is flop on his. back like I know you want to rub my. belly. Come on. Yeah. He's just so used. to being just loved on. Yeah. I just got. a um well I had you know I had the three. I had three dogs and then I lost my. white shepherd like right after we got. off a tour. He got bone cancer and he. was gone within like a month or a month. and a half. You know it's a really. important thing that we should probably. tell people about right now when we're. talking about cancer. Stop feeding your. dog processed food. I know it's.

expensive but if you can get it get. yourself your dog real food. There's. companies like um Farmer's Dog, that's. what you use, right? farmer's dog and. they'll send you like real food and you. feed your dog real food. It's like real. humanra meat and vegetables. Your dog. will be way better off just like you. would be way better off. Anything that. can sit on a shelf for 6 months and not. rot is not good for you. Yeah. It just. sustains them, you know, and then you.

know obviously dogs are running around. drinking out of puddles and who knows. what [ __ ] toxins they're exposed to. I need a lot of like horse [ __ ] and. stuff too. They're obsessed with it. But. they um you get but you're going to get. a healthier dog if you feed them real. food. That's all I'm saying. Not saying. it's a cure to all ills, but man, it. fixed my dog quick. Marshall was. starting to get a little chubby and. we're trying to lessen his food, but he. was always hungry. And I was like, "This. sucks." And then we found out the. company that I'm using is Mave. M A V.

And they sell you frozen food. and he. eats it frozen and it's just meat and. vegetables and and he like [ __ ] loves. it and he gobbles it up and he lost the. body weight. His coat looked better. He. had way more energy. I'm like, of course. he's eating real food instead of eating. some processed [ __ ] that's filled. with preservatives. He could sit on a. [ __ ] shelf for like if you only ate. protein bars all day long and nothing. but protein bars, you'd probably get. sick. How was that thing just sitting.

there? Like how how can you just live. off of that? Plus, you got you got to. get tired eating the same thing every. day. Yeah, that too. Yeah. Like at this. point, I mean, I feel like for your dog, he might as well live a pretty cool. life. Uh he's got, you know, he's Joe. Rogan's dog. He can't just be eating. regular dog food anyway. I uh People. don't know though. They think dog food. is what you give dogs. That's the. problem. Like they they need to. understand like dogs are just like any. other animal, like human beings. what. they eat has a giant effect on their.

overall physical health. Yeah. Yeah. I. I've been feeding mine eggs. We've got a. bunch of lay birds now and meat birds. and stuff, but they'll they just eat raw. eggs. So, how long do your meat birds. live before you whack them? Um, so we ju I just I've got some now that. are about two weeks old and they'll be. gone like they'll be gone before it. starts to cool off. It's quick. It's um. I want to say like two and a half months. with them. They get they get to the. point where they get so fat they.

actually can't hold themselves up. anymore. That is so crazy. Yeah. Cuz I. don't have meat birds. I have egg laying. hens. And these little ladies just run. around all day long. Let you run loose. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I do I do the chicken. tractors, but then I will let them out. during the day some, too, just so they. can run around. But yeah, it's good for. them. Makes the eggs healthier. But. they're hilarious to watch, too. They're. just great. My friend who runs uh he he. has uh meat ones and he said he waits. until their legs break and I go, "What?".

He goes, "They get so big that their. legs break and that's when you kill. them." I'm like, "Jesus Christ, what did. we do to these [ __ ] chickens?" It's. kind of It's kind of sick. Yeah, it is. totally sick cuz I'm seeing my chickens. that are years old just running around. and these [ __ ] chickens get to be two. months old and their legs break from the. weight of their bodies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of depressing, but. that's why at least in their short life, I try to let him have I let him get us. some sunshine and run around and read. stories to him at night and all that.

And that way it's not been so bad. That. way it doesn't feel like I'm just a like. a horrible dictate like a chicken. dictator or something. Imagine the. amount of chickens that get whacked in. this country every year is crazy. Yeah. And and honestly, raising birds in your. yard is so much better than buying them. from Tyson or something like that. Oh, so that's a regular chicken on the left. from 1957. And then by the time 1978 rolled around, we got them pretty fat. It kind of looks. like it just looks kind of like what. happened with all of us from then from. back then till now. And you know,

probably no coincidence. We're all eating terrible food, too. But. I think there's something going on with. their genetics, too. I think they Look. at that thing. That's crazy. Look at the. size of that butter ball. Yeah. That. looks like a [ __ ] soccer ball. Isn't. that nuts? That's nuts. That's a. chicken. That is [ __ ] insane. Look at. that one sitting there in a ball. Look. at that one that's in a ball. Look at. that. That is bananas. Wow. Yeah, they're still my favorite. I've tried so far. I've tried um I do. guinea birds, turkeys, and we've tried.

tried a few different types of chickens. and stuff, but um turkeys overrated. Turkeyy's good. They're funny. Oh, yeah. To eat they're probably overrated, but. they're really funny in person. They're. good. They're good to eat if you eat. them right after you get them out of the. oven or if it's going to be on a. sandwich with a bunch of other [ __ ] on. it. Otherwise, they're dry and boring. It's a weird bird. It's a bird that like. somehow or another we it became our. holiday bird. You know what I mean? It's. very strange. They make this real. guttural noise. It's like um it's like a.

vibration more than a noise. But the. males, they have this like crazy like I. I can't I don't even know how to. describe it, but it's like that it's. with it's a noise they make internally. that you can hear. It sounds like um. sounds like a UFO. It sounds like when. you're getting sucked up in a UFO or. it's just crazy noise like that. Yeah. Oh, really? But I like they're like dogs. to me. I've got a couple Timmy and Tommy. and they they run around the yard. Yeah. Well, I did Timmy's now Timmy's in the. freezer, but we still got. We still got Tommy. So, Tommy's still.

your friend. Tim. Breakthrough on the birds domesticated. And then Jean. Ah, there it is. that. played a key role came in 2010 with a. study of the genomes of eight different. populations of present- day chickens. from around the world. Researchers found. they all carried two copies of one. version of a gene called the thyroid. stimulating hormone receptor which. apparently set in motion changes that. plumped up the birds. This dominant. version of the gene or alil had swept. through all the domesticated chickens.

regardless of whether they were boilers. broilers rather bred for size or strains. bred for laying many eggs. Although the. precise function of the gene is not. known, it regulates metabolism. reproduction. So probably stimulated. chickens to lay more eggs year round. So. the big ass chickens that lay more eggs. It started off it's from a decree from a. pope a thousand years ago. Whoa. ban on four-legged animals. What? Yeah, they got tough and banned meat from. four-legged animals on fasts.

Oh, on fasts, which numbered 130 days. out of the year? Damn, 130 fasts. What. were they doing back then? Yeah, you. couldn't eat like you had to fast all of. Lent, which is 40 days. That's like the. Christmas Easter fast. You probably had. to do it again around Christmas. But. when they say fast, but you could eat. chicken. Yeah, they didn't. That's not a. fast or fish. That's [ __ ] Yeah, the. Lent thing when I was a kid. I remember. that. I remember. I don't know. I can't. fish on Friday. I don't think that the. Catholic Church I just can't imagine the.

Catholic Church ever coming out with. some kind of decree that just doesn't. make total sense, though, you know, for. everybody to follow. I don't know. Forever. I'm sure it's some I'm sure. there's some Yeah, forever. I'm sure. there's some reasonable explanation. Yeah, they definitely have it dialed in. Yeah. It's not like churches a thousand. years ago would would ever do anything. that didn't make a lot of sense. So, well, I think back then, when did they. stop being allowed to have wives and. [ __ ] When did that happen? Like, when. did the Catholic Church put a ban? Like, when did they make it so that everybody. had to be celibate?

Boy, what a stupid idea that was. You. want to get people com completely. disconnected from society and sexually. insanely repressed. Just you give them. salt peter and tell them they can't beat. off. It became canon law in the 11th. century. They later reinforced at the. Council of Trent 1545. So I bet there. sounds like there's 300 400 years of a. little slippery times. What do you. think? This episode is brought to you by. Masa Chips. Did you know that all chips. used to be cooked in tallow up until the.

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the government for a long time, you. know. Yeah. For Rome. Yeah. Yeah. I. mean, they had immense power. the like. the Pope would decide whether or not. armies were going to be sent places. Yeah. It's nuts. Yeah. And if you look. at the Vatican, you go, "Oh, this is. what you guys did. You [ __ ] stole. everybody's art. They have so much art. Like, how did you get this?" Yeah. How. did you get billions of dollars in art? I mean, it's kind of cool. I love the. fact that it's there and you can visit. it. And you should visit it if you've. never been to the Vatican. It's [ __ ].

bananas. In a way, it's like there's. always been somebody trying to use a. moral high ground to control other. people. Like now it's the opposite, right? It's like now it's people now. it's like the people opposite of church. that are sort of like trying to control. people through this moral authority of. like this is what's right and like this. sort of new society that we have to live. in where everything has to be. comfortable and nobody's allowed to be. offended and we're not and it's like all. this that's like the same authoritarian. psychology that was in the old church. It's like this is the moral, you have to. follow this because it's the moral high.

ground of, you know, you're not allowed. to speak it. It's like it's always. somebody trying to control somebody else. with this virtuous bunch of propaganda. that and it Yeah, it's like I was. talking, you know, my most of the people. on my team, I say most, there's only. really four of us now, like in my music. business, but two of them are from. Ireland and they were and my tour. manager was telling me about like. growing up in, you know, growing up in. Dublin when he was younger. um I guess. like back in the 70s or 80s and the um. like just just the stigma within the.

church and all the like so much stuff. that the church was doing wrong that. would get kind of covered up and brushed. to the side and it's just cra it's. really crazy when you read into all that. like how like how much corruption. existed back then you know we it's like. now it's now it's easy to point to. corruption in government and in society. and everything else but it's not like. the church is more dead now than it is. corrupt I'd say but back then it was. just like this power hung hungry thing, you know, that and that to me that's not. real church. That's just like I said, that's just government or a regime using.

church as a you know, using God as a way. to control people. But it's a lot. different than than what church should. be or could be. For sure. I mean, that's. it's that's just a function of human. beings when they get in power. Human. beings when they get in power, they want. more power. Like if you're in the automo. business, automobile business, and. you're making cars, you want to make. more cars. I want to make more cars. I. want to sell more cars. Got to sell more. cars. If I'm in the power business, I. want more power. I don't want this. amount of power. I want more power. These people trying to take my power. away. I want extra power. The best way.

to keep them from taking my power away. is to get more power and get it so that. they can never take my power away. You. know, lock it down. Make the elections. [ __ ] You know, make it like Russia. Hey, Putin won again. Everybody clap. Did you have you seen that video that. went around recently of I think it was. in Romania, but there was like a. overthrow that happened in a day. There. was like the It was a It was from back. in the 80s. It was a I think it was like. a It was a dictator that it was over. Romania I believe. I don't know. I'm I'm. not on the internet a whole lot anymore.

thankfully. But um I remember watching a. bit of this video where this is like a. Romanian dictator who had he had been in. power for like 20 years and had done a. lot of oppressive stuff but overall was. like maintaining power. And then at some. point a police officer or a military. official or something shot I think like. a like a preacher or a pope or something. and the the the dictator dude took the. side of the police and it sort of was. like a cultural shift and basically like. he went to give this big speech and all. these people showed up and they had.

applause playing over loudspeakers but. really the crowd was there to like mob. and within like a day they had like. taken the whole government over the. whole military turned against them. It. was a big video that just got uploaded. about it like maybe a month ago. I think. it was Romania, I believe. But um it was. so quick. It was like he went from being. in this position of power and like. ruling over everything and having just. just extreme wealth and the whole. military at his disposal to to everyone. turning on him and he was publicly. executed. I think the day after that. speech, but that was just something I. watched. Here we go. Yeah. Executing a.

dictator. Open wounds of Romania's. Christmas Revolution. Whoa, they did it. on Christmas. Damn. Damn. Wow. And there's a video on this. Yeah, there's a video on YouTube that that. somebody sent me that I was watching. through. It was just it just showed out. It just showed though going back to like. if enough people have their minds made. the same way. They can just pretty much. do anything. Wow. But um I believe it. was with it was within like a two-day. period that all this happened. he went.

from being in power to being publicly. executed and they held a elections. afterwards and like and I don't know all. the history of it. I know very little, but it's just something that seemed. really interesting to me that I've never. I was never taught this in school or. anything. I know that. But of course, I. didn't pay a whole lot of attention. while I was there either. So maybe I. maybe I did get taught. I don't know. There's been so much war in that part of. the world, man, for so long. For so. long. It's like baked into the ground. The crazy [ __ ] that's going on in. Ukraine right now. Have you seen that. they uh they're flying these drones that.

you can't jam and the way they are they. have like miles of fiber optic cable. attached to them? Yeah. This is so. crazy. They're like fishing. They're. like fishing with a drone. And now birds. are making like nests out of this fiber. optic stuff. They're picking it up like, "Oh, this is perfect. Make a little nest. with this shit." You see how they got. those drones in for the attack on the. planes recently? What did they do? They. drove them in in trucks, right? Yeah. that they were like I don't know if. buried is the right word, but they were. like secretly in the trucks and then.

like they all came out at once or. something like the roofs opened up of. these like log cabins or something. They. all came out and they all went out and. attacked all the sheds. There were sheds. loaded on the trucks stuck around the. Pretty [ __ ] ingenious, man. And they. said it took like a year and a half to. come up with this plan. This will change. war forever. Forever though, I guess. I. mean, artificial intelligence will too. I'm reading a book about it right now. um a fiction book, one of the Greyman. books um that is specifically about uh.

using autonomous weapons. It's um the chaos agent by uh Mark. Grainy. It's uh it's about a guy who's. this uh billionaire who develops this. autonomous weapons weapons program. But. they're doing that. They're doing that. right now. And we don't know like how. advanced China stuff is like but we know. their drones are insanely advanced. Like. their drone shows that they put on. They.

they just put on another one recently. like the largest ever drone show. And. you watch these coordinated things in. the sky that are creating images and. you're like that 100% could be a weapon. Like that thing can you can get that. thing to be so precise. They coordinate. together. All you have to do is like put. a suicide drone. Put like look at this. thing. Look at these things bro. These. are drones. How nuts is this? I mean, that is. [ __ ] bananas. Look at that.

I mean, it's crazy. I've heard, you. know, this is all just generalization. stuff, but I've definitely I've heard. people make pretty compelling arguments. about like, you know, all these sort of. like prophetic visions of the end of. times, all the stuff in the sky and all. the imagery and all that that a lot of. that could be. I don't I just I I see a. time coming very soon where the where. warfare is conducted with these drones. and also with like probably ground. machinery too. Like you see they've got. Tesla bots and other variants of that. that are able to catch tennis balls and.

organize groceries and these things are. all fed off of artificial intelligence. which knows everything about all of us. collectively. It sees where we go and. what we do and what we say and what we. shop for and what we look for and how we. drive. And it's like this almost like. this very godlike thing. And I don't. think that it even matters whose AI it. is. If it's China or ours or some. private company, I think it's like at. some point it will just be the thing. We. won't It won't even be China's AI. anymore. It will just be Yeah. It'll. say, "Fuck you, China. You know, we're. taking over. We don't believe in.

countries. We believe in the hive mind.". How do you stop that? Like how do you. like it goes into it goes into industry. and creativity and almost everything. almost everything that a human can. provide out outside of very select few. things can be emulated and replicated. and done by it. It makes us practically. irrelevant in the eyes of in in a lot of. ways it doesn't make us irrelevant in. art because you're always going to want. art from a person. You're always going. to want art. You're always going to want. paintings from a real person. You're.

always going to want music from a real. person. and you're always going to I. don't know though. Like I I think with I. I I think AI is already like deeply. ingrained in music. I don't think I. can't. I don't know. I would bet I'd bet a lot. that most of the new big song the big. hot songs that get written and just the. big I think AI drives all that. I know. for a short period of time I used a. social media company in Nashville. There. was also a period of time that I used a. management company in Nashville and both.

of those girls I worked with at both of. those companies who were helping me with. social media stuff. They even had AI. like trying to write my captions and. stuff and I would always just like it. was always the most dumb sounding stuff. but it was like if there they would take. pictures from after a show or something. and they would want to make a post on. Instagram the next day that says, "Oh, had so much fun in this town. It was. I'll never forget it. Can't wait to see. you next time and it was just like this. little they had like a little thing but. it it pre-wrote all these based off of. like how I wrote in the past and stuff. and it's weird how um I it goes back to. what you said about most of what's on.

the internet isn't real anyway but I. think in music AI is much more prevalent. than we realize. I just think it's like. kept in the I don't people aren't going. to say that they're using it, but I. think like in the big these big. songwriter circles and things where they. have to generate you have to generate 20. or 30 songs a week and like there's all. this pressure. I mean like and that's. your job and you're like oh my god what. am I going to do? Like you know like I. can't go back and live with my parent I. got to do I don't know. I just I don't. see how people aren't it's in almost. people use AI in almost every job now. I.

know like people who are in sales who. use it to like help them manage their. customer bases and who they're going to. call on and what they're going to just I. don't know I think it will become I. think it's already become ingrained in. us. We're already so addicted to we're. so reliant to technology. It's it's. pitiful, you know, just like how hard it. is to walk around without a phone, you. know, we're integrated. Even even with. when I had periods of time where I knew. I had months off and did I would always. at least I got to the point where I I. weaned myself down to like this. I. bought a flip phone from Walmart that. still runs on a Verizon SIM, but that's.

that's what I'd carry and two or three. people knew my but even then I always. felt like I at least had to have a flip. phone on me in case like what happens if. you're out in the woods and break your. leg or I don't know where like but they. are now a part like those phones are a. part of us. We don't go anywhere without. them. We feel naked. No phone. We feel. vulnerable without them. So I know you. really do like if you go for a quick. walk without a phone like oh my god. So. when the time comes when it's like will. there if there even is a definitive time. but it's like when we have to choose. between integrating with AI and not most.

people are going to do it. Most people. will just immediately submit and be a. part of it and be maybe even excited to. be a part of it. It probably won't be a. decision that you're allowed to make it. It's probably something that's going to. be if you want to function in society, you have to integrate like we talked. about in that text about how it feels. like we're in an alternate dimension and. it seems like there's these like things. coming. You know, it's like it does it. does it also it is just because things. happen so fast and chaotic that we can't. really keep up with anything. One day. the submarine collapses and the next day. this other crazy thing happens and then.

you know I don't know it's just like. it's so hard to keep up with what. anything of what's really going on. I. think the problem is that we have to. start having people gather together. again and hang out and not just make all. of our hangouts digital because the. systems like you said there's bots and. algorithms and marketing approaches and. psychology that's just deeply rooted. that goes into like just the way we. fundamentally communicate now as. societies and just globally like we all. just talk on I mean gosh like I've used. this example before somewhere talking. but it's like I think about back when I.

was in high school like my high school. girlfriend you know we would have some. trivial argument about something. There. was no way that me and her were going to. text and figure out how to fix that. And. now, you know, like and that was a high. school relationship like that was over. something stupid. It's like real world. problems. You can't fix just texting. And I don't think we can fix all this. [ __ ] on X and Facebook and all that. I. think it's like it's I think people just. have people are we're almost to the. point now where we prefer socializing on. the internet because it's it's almost. like our minds have become more adapted.

to think that way. But it's but it's. we're we're in this digital world. chasing and emulating all of the things. that we're that are that we have this. void from from not having in real life. Like I don't know. It's it makes it very. complicated to fix anything when we're. the only way that we can we have this. amazing intricate English language where. all these words can mean all these. different things and it's so easy to put. everybody together in a digital space. with AI and bots and manipulation and. and algorithms and big companies and how. do you fix all that in that space? It's.

just like it's you'll never It's like in. a house we're just in a house of. mirrors, you know? Yeah. You you're. you're supposed to not engage. That's. what people need to stop doing. But the. problem is the consequences of the. actions of the rest of the world do. affect you if they're big and so you. worry about the big ones. So you pay. attention. So you got to pay attention. to the bad news of 8 billion people, which is just unsustainable. And it's. also this ability to interact or not. interact as you choose all throughout. the day. Hey, like you don't have to be.

invested in a conversation. If you and I. are going to have a conversation and you. ask me about something and I start to. answer and I just wander off, you're. like, well, how [ __ ] rude. But on the. internet, that's normal. Like somebody. posts something, somebody have a. response an hour later and nobody cares. It's like, I guess he was busy, you. know? It's normal because you're. engaging and not enga. It's very. unhuman. All of it is unhuman. And it's. all like constant. Even though if you. think you're immune to it, there's this. constant input of other people's. thoughts into your own that makes you. foggy. It gives you like I was talking.

to Sugashan Ali about it once and he. said, "I get a low-level anxiety just. scrolling." I'm like, "Yeah, right.". Like, what is that? I think it's on. purpose though. That that's captiv that. keeps you it keeps you engaged though, you know? Yeah, but I don't even know if. it's on purpose. I mean, I think it's. just they figured it out along the way. that people get engaged like that. Like. that's why when you open up Tik Tok it. immediately starts playing you things. like you're you're on the hook right. away. The Instagram you got to choose. Like sometimes you might get a picture. of someone's dog a and then you scroll.

up and it's a music video and then you. scroll up and it's a guy getting. assassinated and it's and you you get to. choose. You know with Tik Tok they just. start hammering you. Even with Instagram. it seems very flashy. Like there's. always stuff, you know, and there's. always sex always ends up somewhere in. it. Like something gets popped up or. whatever and you just it's all for. engagement and that's your attention is. what's worth so much money which is so. strange. It's so strange. Your data and. your attention. Nobody thought about the. data part. Boy, if we thought about the. data part and they set up different.

regulations back in the 1990s when AOL. first burst onto the scene, if they. realize like data is going to be one of. the most valuable things and tech. companies that do nothing but offer you. free email and a free search engine are. going to be the biggest [ __ ]. companies in the world. And it's because. of your data and they're going to be. like siphoning off your data without. telling you about it. They're even going. to be lying about it. They're going to. be running like little secret things. where they're snatching up your contact. list and snatching up your email and all.

your friends and trying to get them to. buy [ __ ] It's like, wow. Yeah. Well, it's it look Yeah. I mean, even just. that's what I mean. even just the little. bit of access I have to my fan base and. like the reports that can be ran on like. what they do and what and who they are. and like it's seeing seeing it from that. side is just it just really um it goes. back like I said just saying that I I. think we're for right now in society our. job is to feed this machine and so and.

it know like it just knows entirely too. much about all of us and that's very. important in every aspect And whether. it's in like comedy, music, um any kind. of pop culture, like everything, all of. our reactions and behaviors to what is. presented to us on these platforms only. makes it refined down even further. And. they're able to see like your lookalike. audiences and what they look at and. where they shop and what they like and. the what their retention is on certain. videos that have this certain type of.

thing. And it's like this whole just. it's a lot of psychology that goes into. it that people don't realize. It's very. easy to download the app and get on. there and look and but you don't have to. pay attention to it. You could just be. yourself. That's also possible. That's I. just couldn't find a way to be on there. and still um the only time I'm ever on. my profiles is if I'm with Draven or. somebody and we're like looking through. comments together and replying to stuff. or doing things, but I don't have any of. I haven't had anything logged in on any. of my devices since last November. Yeah, just keep doing what you're doing. Like.

um that's the the thing that I was. saying about what AI can't recreate in. music. Yeah, I'm sure there's AI songs. in. There was a great AI song by Drake. that they made that they had to get. removed, right? Didn't they don't they. remove those? I think so. Um but people still want to. hear the real [ __ ] Like the reason why. your song became so popular was because. you could really see it's just a guy. with a guitar like standing Yeah. you. know, grass behind him and [ __ ] and a. dog in the background. there's a there's.

a thousand more people that are way. better than me that are in that same. space. And I think I think my dream of. this long term is to figure out how to. like like how do you get all those. people into the limelight? like. like what I've been working on since I. guess you know the one important thing. to to drill home to people too as a. follow-up since the last time we were. here. It goes back to that first. conversation we had. But you know you. remember I was arguing that I really. wanted to put all the money from. Richmond into a nonprofit and not ever. even touch it cuz I was just I didn't.

want all that. I felt like it wasn't my. money. I felt like all those people went. out of the way and supported me and like. blew all these other huge songs off the. chart and I just I wanted to. So, and. then you said, "Well, no, don't do that. because nonprofits are sketchy and. people are corrupt and like just keep. the money yourself and then figure out. how to do good with it." And that was. the biggest thing I walked away from. that first conversation we had. And so, you know, now it's like that's the one. thing I do want people to know too. though is like that Richmond money and. everything, it's um it's went to good.

It's went to do a lot of what I think. will be in in the long run a lot of. important things. I've been buying most. of it's went towards buying land and. stuff, but I've got this whole kind of. crazy thing. I'm like a just a way for. people to unscrew their minds um to get. reconnected into nature and um You going. to be a cult leader? I was thinking. about it. Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking. about I might I might try to get with. Vermin Supreme. He's got this cool idea. about everybody having a free pony and. stuff and I think that would work out.

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in this room. What does this guy do for. a living? He looks like an open mic that. you would find at the comedy store. He. looks like somebody that would be on. like a kill Tony, but he's he runs every. time and just he just tries to make like. at the at the very end of this he. whoever the guy is beside him running, he's like sprinkles dust all over him. and says he's going to make him gay. And. so I don't know, he just he just makes. he's just in there making a mockery of. it, I guess. You know, but that's funny. But yeah, that's who I have to team up. with him for my for my cult or whatever.

My toothbrush and cult. 100%. You need. him on board. It needs to be the. toothbrush guy. If you're going to have. a cult, you can't have stinky breath. Yeah. Got to keep it together. But yeah, that's my Yeah, maybe it's like a cult. or something. I don't know. But helping. uh other musicians that they have. talent, like giving them a vehicle, that's huge, man. Like cuz a lot there's. a lot of people that just don't know how. to get started. And sometimes the thing. that makes you a brilliant musician or. even a brilliant comic makes you bad at.

promoting because you're not thinking. about yourself. You're like really. locked into the work. You're really. locked into your thing. And it takes. someone who's really thinking about. themsel a lot and promoting themsel. It's a totally different mindset to be. like the social media guy, like to be. like really into like social media. videos and really into like promoting. your gigs and really, you know, so like. a lot of guys fall by the wayside. because they just never put their stuff. out there. Like there's some brilliant. comics. Like I don't want I don't want. to make a special. Like you should put.

this out, man. This is great stuff. And. but they're they just want to kill. They. just want to go up their their thing. every night is get on that stage and do. the thing right and then rewrite it. Go. back to It's also the attention and. stuff of it. Uhhuh. It's the It's the. not Yeah. I mean, that's kind of what I. I kind of laugh when all this happened. again with Scorn with the Scornful song. I was I remember I called Draven like. right after everything went up and. everything was starting to move and I. was like, "Oh, what like what have we.

done?" You know, like here we go. here. comes the the New York Post is going to. come showing up again at my grand, you. know, my grandparents house next week. again or whatever. And it's just like. but I think it's also just yeah, people. just maybe don't want the attention. There's a lot of really funny, genuine. people that do comedy, but and and they. can do they can get up there and have. enough attention on them to do the. comedy, but they don't want to be like, "Hey, look at me." I mean, I fight that. constantly. Even like that little video. where we were going in the plane. yesterday and I said, "Plane by day, Joe. Rogan P." you know, like I don't even.

just making little videos like that, I. feel way out of place. Like I don't want. I don't need I don't want people to. think like I'm saying, "Hey, look at. me." You know? I mean, that's why I try. to go through these periods where I just. don't post or At least you were in a. regular airport. You know, the worst is. when people are doing those things in. front of a private jet. I'm like, "Okay, we get it. You're rich." You know, if. people try to take photos of me in front. of a jet, I'm like, "Uh-uh. I'm not I'm. so not into this. I'm not I don't like. that tension. I don't want it. I don't. need it. It's which is weird because I.

got a lot of it and I think it's. probably why I have a lot of it because. I'm not looking for it. Yeah. But you're. also able to you're channeling it out. through all these other I mean think. about all the things that you've. influenced and been a part of and done. even just through this podcast and all. the conversations had and the. information shared. Like it's not like. you're just posting a bunch of pictures. with your shirt off like, "Hey, look at. me." Like you're using it. I mean I I. don't know. I I almost would say it's I. don't know that it's a coincidence that. you got put in this spot for a lot of. reasons. I mean, there's a lot you. probably don't even look at it that way,

but there's a lot of important things. that come out of this and all the other. podcasts you've inspired that have done. I mean, gosh, dude, it's a there's no. way to even calculate what you've if you. if you had never been born, there's no. way to calculate how different things. would be now. Like, well, that's. important to think about, though, you. know, like it's sort but sort of. But. from my perspective, I was just one. piece in this thing that happened. Yeah. And you know, that's why I always have. my friend Adam Curry on who's the. original. He's the podfather. Without. him, there would be none of this. He. figured out a way to do this. And you.

know, and then also Anthony Kumia from. Opie and Anthony and Tom Green. Those. are those are my number one influences. And then Adam Corolla already had a. podcast when I started. I was like, "Oh, Adam went from radio to the internet. Maybe I could do that." I remember going. to his place and oh, that's pretty cool. It's back when we were doing it on a. little laptop. I'm like, "Wow, Adam has. like a real studio. He's got employees. and [ __ ] And then, you know, we just. kept doing it. Just kept doing it, you. know. And then eventually it was.

webcams. Okay, now it's not just a. laptop camera. It's actual webcams. Okay, now maybe we should get like real. cameras. Okay, let's get real cameras.". And then like maybe we should get a. [ __ ] studio. So, we tried it at the. ice house for a little bit. Like, maybe. I should get another place. Then we got. another place. I'm like, I think I need. a warehouse. And then like I think I. need armed security. I think I need [ __ ] special ops guys. around me all the time. And then it just. kept going, man. I remember the moment. I've talked about this before, but I. didn't understand what was happening. until one day I was on stage in Chicago.

and I think this was 2012. So I think I think it was around then. So the podcast was only three years old. and I didn't realize how many people. watched it or listened. A lot of it was. listening at the time because I wasn't I. don't look at the numbers. I just kind. of keep I feel like all that's bad for. you, you know, reading the comments, looking at the numbers. I just like do. what you do. That's why I do it exactly. the same way. I have a bunch of people. on that no one's ever heard of, you. know, and then a few Bonos and stuff,

you know, every now and then I'll have. Russell Crow on something crazy like, whoa, that guy's here. Dennis Quaid's. here. This is nuts. Yeah, your Mel Mel. Gibson one was good. Yeah, he's the. best. But but I was on stage in Chicago. and I was telling the story about the. podcast. I go, "How many you guys listen. to the podcast?" And it went. it was like 3,700 people in this place. and they were all screaming. I went. whoa. Yeah. That's when I realized like. at that moment I was like, "Holy [ __ ]. how big is this thing going to get?" And.

this is another funny thing. When I went. over to Spotify, I was trying to get 10%. less famous. That was my goal. My goal. was to fade away. My goal was like, look, if somebody has to pay me, you. have to go to this app to get it. All. the people that are getting at the other. apps, they'll probably stop listening. Yeah. Like, this would be great. I'll. get all the money and I'll just [ __ ]. drift into this place where it's only. like the hardcore fans that make the. track over to Spotify. And then this. [ __ ] co thing happened. Remember in. the beginning of the podcast, we lost. 50% of our views and Jamie was in a hot. panic.

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. earlier about not putting a lot of songs. out. there's like a there's some cool. place where you can be where you're. where you have your real fans and you're. having fun, but you're not into all the. sensationalism, all the crap, you know, like you can avoid all that. You're a. real guy. You're a real dude. And I. think one of the ways that the world has. prepared you for this is that you've. lived a a normal life for a long time, you know, a normal life with no live. performances, no notoriety, no fame, no.

nothing. You developed like a re like. when people want to hear working man. songs. You [ __ ] know Bruce. Springsteen isn't a working man. Do you. know what I'm saying? Like he probably. was never really a working man. He was. never working on the docks. You know. what I mean? He was never really a guy. grinding it out. He he became famous. pretty [ __ ] young. You know they. Bruce Springsteen and and the East. Street band, they got hot early. Like. they're great. Don't get me wrong. I.

mean, especially as early born to Run. [ __ ] He's got some jams, dude. He's got. some great songs, you know? Brilliant. disguise. Oh, I [ __ ] love that song. But you're a real working man. Like, you. were a real working man when you made. Richmond, North of Richmond. Like, that. is real. And you can't fake that. And. people want that. They want a [ __ ]. trucker hat. They want ripped jeans. They don't want like ripped jeans that. are ripped from work. You know what I. mean? They don't like real oil stains on.

your knees cuz you're fixing your own. car, you know? Like that's what people. want in this world. They want. authenticity. And it's possible to. maintain authenticity regardless of how. big you get. It is possible. And I think. you can do it. I think you can do it. because you got here later in life. You. got here and lived a real life and then. you you made it into magical fantasy. land where we all live. Yeah. Well, the. thing that I've gotten the most from. you, like I said, I don't look at my. streaming numbers or anything either. That's what I mean. Like when I I.

finally did go back and look at Spotify. like a after a year a year and a half. later, it's just like, oh my god, like. I'm this is still the thing, you know? But um so I agree with you there. I. don't look at the numbers. I I do I do. catch myself reading a lot of the. comments, but only because a lot of them. are important and they I think some of. the stories in them are important for me. to I don't I don't want to completely. isolate myself from that. And like I. said, I also really like some of the. negative ones, too. I think and the. negative ones are a lot less now than. they used to be. It was just really. early on. People didn't understand how. everything happened and I really didn't.

understand it either. That's why I was. like whatever, you know. But um moving. forward now, yeah, I've got a good like. core team of people. I've got Draven. from RadioWV. I've got two or three. people on staff. I don't have a. management company or a publicist, you. know. Perfect. That's the key. I'm. keeping it real real low. Well, I mean, it amazed me when I came here for the. first time and saw the staff you have. And then like meeting Lex, you know, Lex. does all of it. He even turns his own. cameras on and stuff. there's only Lex. in the whole place. It's like, gosh, I. don't need all these. It's like a lot of.

those positions and jobs and services. that musicians use, I think they don't. realize that they don't even need. They. just are like, oh, that's how it is in. music. That's what I want to I want to. Yeah. I don't eliminates eliminates the. executive influence. It eliminates the. corporate mindset. It eliminates that. because there's always going to be a. person that wants you to make a decision. that's better for you financially, whereas like your instincts are guiding. you towards this artistic decision. Yeah. And anytime those people get in. the mix, they [ __ ] everything up. I'll. give you a great example. It's like the.

only It's the only like call out on here. that's negative that I'll say at all is. that um just to show like how stuck in. the mud the industry is and how how much. I think it's going to change in the near. future is um leading up to the Scornful. release, me and Draven had went back and. found about 30 or 40 people who just. without us even knowing who they were. made the Richmond reaction videos and. they were a big part of of the push of. it, especially long term. you know, like. people on TikTok and stuff that had made.

these videos. And so I I don't have I. own 100% of my publishing. You know, all. the music's mine, thankfully. I have my. own label technically that collects the. money, but you have to use a publishing. administration deal in order to collect. money like overseas. I don't know if. you're familiar no if it's the same in. comedy but like yeah most any musician. whether you're independent or you're. with somebody you have to have some kind. of pub admin and it's basically somebody. that goes and helps you collect. publishing money from over basically. mostly from overseas is the way I. understand like all these obscure places.

that money exists so Warner Chapel does. it for me for 9% right so they go. collect all the stuff they keep 9% of it. they're the same to me as if I had a. commercial landscaping company managing. a property for me so all I asked them to. do was, "Hey, Warner Chapel, this 6ft. square of grass where all these reaction. videos exist, just please whitelist. these people so they don't get. copyrighted. I want them to actually. make the money they make on the scornful. reaction videos, you know, like I don't. I don't feel right if they're going to. go and make a scornful woman reaction.

video or or play drums over it or. whatever. I don't want to take 50% of. what you know what I mean. Just don't. copy. Just whitelist them." And it. should have been, "Okay, great. Good. idea." you know, instead they just said, "We can't do that, but it's for your. protection." So, because they wanted the. money. So, and they get a percentage or. they how do they how do they get Well, yeah, they get they they take 9% off of. what I get. They don't want But I tried. to explain to him, well, no, like in the. business sense, I I even counterargued. him and I was like, well, let's think.

about it in the business sense. this. little bit of money, right, that you're. not going to collect off these reaction. videos will generate who knows how much. traffic to the music, which is worth the. money you really want. And it shouldn't. matter anyway. It's not their It's not. their [ __ ] to decide on. It's mine. They're just It's It's the same thing as. if I hired a guy to cut the grass at my. commercial property and said, "Don't cut. the sixoot square." And they're like, "No, we're cutting it. We're cutting all. the grass and it's for your So, I had to. get my attorney involved and spend like. four grand." And they whitelisted them. for 30 days. And so I'm like, okay, like.

that's why all that's why all of you. industry people are like so, you know, it's like that's why this is happening. That's why it's like I don't know, just. they don't care at all about the little. guy or the the people who are like doing. all the work. They just I just picture. all these like stinky librarian type old. people sitting around a table like, you. know, they can make all this money and. make all these horrible decisions and. pour all these millions of dollars into. songs that don't work and it doesn't. matter because it's just like a it it's. not there. They don't care. they're. getting their big salary and yeah, so uh.

so yeah, it's just even even in the l. even in the most minuscule relationships. I've had in Nashville, I get resistance. and push back and like it's I don't know. like why wouldn't they want me to. whitelist those 30 people? It's just. little stupid stuff like that that I've. constantly dealt with. So I've just. decided now like I don't need I just. don't want to do anything in the music. like I don't even need to be in the. music business like in that sense, you. know? It just I write my songs, I record. them, I go do my shows and have fun, but. I don't even need to follow any of the. model of what of what like a traditional.

musician, artist person would have done. You definitely don't need to. You don't. need to do it that way. It's not. necessary. And you you have a the right. mindset is that all those reaction. videos would just get more people to. listen to your music. It's that's fact. But those are real those people were. like real fans who went and did it not. because they were trying to get traffic. or money or whatever. they just like. liked it and wanted to push it and so. the least I can do is not take 50% of. their stuff and like it just but isn't. that crazy that it's like there's.

nobody's ever done that I guess like. before they were just acting like that. was just the craziest thing in the world. so I ended up releasing this scornful. song through a company called Soundon. which is like the music distribution. side of Tik Tok which seems like. something I would never want to do but. they give me the flexibility to go and. like and do all the they don't care cuz. they're not music industry people. They're just social media people. So I. uploaded it through them basically. So. I'm still I own all 100% of the rights.

It's all my stuff. I don't have any. deals or records or labels or anything. But they push it to the streaming. services for me and they do all the. stuff. So that way I'm not even having. to use a music company to push my music. I can kind of just like not even be. there at all, you know, like not even be. in Nashville at all. That's the goal is. just to get and so now that I've got. data from, you know, since Richmond. basically and have learned a lot. I my. goal long term is to I want I'm going to. always put new music out and write stuff. and you know, but it's going to come in.

spurts and there'll be times where. people won't see a lot of me, but I'm. going to be in the background with other. people. Like I want to help I want to. find these people on TikTok that have. like a hundred followers, but I know. that they've got what it takes and get. with like Draven and some of these other. people I've met and like help them write. some really good songs and record them. and put them out and push them and just. like I would love to plant like 10 or 15. people into music. like give him. everything I can give him to to push. them forward and make like that way he. doesn't feel like I'm I'm the guy in the. spotlight trying to like I feel like I'm. just in a I feel like I'm like the most.

I don't know these companies that got. like all these employees and all this. money and all this backing and it's. literally like four or five of us taking. them. It just I don't know to me I just. think I I think there's strength in. numbers if I could help more artists. push forward and like help them break. that cycle too that it would just it. would be like a multiplication factor on. this whole thing. That's kind of what. that's going to be kind of my next thing. I get into is is helping produce music. and doing festivals and like starting a. label basically kind of sort of. That's.

[ __ ] awesome. But a non-predatory. one. Like even even when Draven puts. somebody on RadioWV, if they get 30,000. views, there's already people trying to. sign them. Like they just want control. of every new thing. That's you know. Well, that's what they were trying to do. to you right off the bat. Oh, and it. felt terrifying, too, to not do it. It. just felt like I was just It felt like I. was just everything it was everything in. me felt wrong doing it, you know, but I. just decided that I didn't care about it. and that it I just, you know, I I. remember being very adamant at the. beginning that every decision moving.

forward was based off the fact that I. wasn't scared to go back to my old job. if I had to cuz I'd rather go back to my. old job and be me then go to Republic. but just be Republic's little [ __ ] you. know, and have to do everything they. want and say everything like and also. seeing where all your profits go and. realizing that you got hoodwinkedked. into these deals. deals cuz these deals. when they give you a big chunk of money, you got to pay that money back. That's. all just an advance. Well, if I had went. with a label, I would have been a lot. bigger though cuz they would have made. me push 30 songs out a year and they. would have put all this marketing money.

into and they would have kind of. inflated me into this big fake like. every other country superstar. And so it. feels a lot better just kind of being a. little a little scaled back, a little. smaller, but yeah, collecting 100% of my. money. And then also just knowing that I. don't have a boss anymore other than, you know, other than the man upstairs. Like I don't gosh, dude. I mean, like. imagine, you know, I've heard stories. from bands and stuff now that have told. me that they've went and had to record. music like under a label contract and. really didn't like the way the album. turned out, but still had to release it.

anyway. Like, oh my gosh, that would. just make me to have to put music out. that I didn't think was good or promote. it and they're going to get behind it. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want other people, especially financial people, to ever be. involved in your art, ever. Even if. they're good people, like, "No, we can. work out a beneficial deal for both. people." No. No. It's not going to be. beneficial for you. It's going to. influence you and it's going to turn you. in one way or another that's not the way. you would have originally gone on your. own. And the reason there's so much.

money in music is because music's such a. big part of us as human beings. And it's. like, it's so funny. The first thing. they do when they sign somebody is like. try to rip their identity away. And it's. like they it's like the labels don't. understand that it's the identity of the. person that put them in the position. they're in in the first place. It's like. you said the relatability of it, you. know. Well, there's also people have. this instinct to try to influence. people. So, it's one of the things that. executives do in the beginning when. someone's just starting, they go, you. know what you should do? You should get. a crew cut. I think you look great with. a crew cut. And then like the crew cut.

was my idea. And like, you know, something about Oliver's crew cut, everybody loves that crew cut. Yeah, man. Just like he doesn't give a [ __ ]. about his hair. That was my idea. Yeah. you know, there's a little of that cuz. like people are easily influenced. because like in the beginning you're not. sure like I can't even believe I got. signed like am I going to be a star? Are. these people all here for me? You know, and they'll [ __ ] get in there. That's. happened to me. I mean, I brought um. around February or so, I hired this. management company that stayed. They. were my management company for three. weeks. So, that kind of tells you how. well things worked. But, he was super.

nice, like loved everything I was doing. And then as soon as I got as soon as I. started with him, he was telling other. people that I know like, "Yeah, we got. to figure out how to make him cool and. he needs to put like 40 or 50 songs out. this year." And they were wanting me to. make this social media post like. complimenting Beyonce's country album. because he thought it was going to get. me in a position like it's exactly what. you're saying. It's just like and I just. told him I was like dude I if I wanted. to just be if I just wanted to be. somebody's little like somebody's little. puppet I there's a I would have taken a. lot more money for it that like you know.

I'm independent so I don't have to do. that. It's like but that's like and it's. like the thing is is I don't need to be. cool. It's okay that I'm kind of lame. and I just but I'm just me and you know. it is what it is. It's like I don't have. to I don't have to try to get on the. internet and pretend to be cool. There's. enough people you're cool man. Stop. this. You're cool. You're not lame. You're not lame at all. What the [ __ ]. are you talking about? You're a cool. guy. You make great music and you're fun. to hang out with. How are you? How are. you lame? Because you're normal. Guess. what? Everybody's normal. It's a ruse. Beyonce's normal, too. She takes.

horrible shits. I'm sure we all do. We. all do. It's They're humans. Human. beings, man. This illusion of celebrity. It's complete total nonsense. Dude, that's the best thing. Yeah. Everybody. takes horrible [ __ ] You want a brain. gummy? Want some brain gummies? I was. hoping you had some of the Alex Jones. ones. Well, these are the Onit ones. The. new They're Alpha Brain gummies. We just. got them. How is Alex doing these? He's. great. He lost a lot of weight, man. I. saw he's getting like Mhm. Yeah. He's. ready for the next My friend Sean. Johnson's training him. Oh, really?

Yeah. He gets up every morning. He works. out for [ __ ] hours. He's lost I think. he's lost 70 pounds at this point. He. looks fantastic, man. He looks. fantastic. He looks like he's 20 years. younger. People think this is really. funny because you know his whole. business is conspiracy theorist. conspiracy that Alex has been replaced. Yeah. Yeah. Listen folks, that's real. Alex. I've watched every step of the way. and my friend trains him. So I can tell. you for a fact that is the real Alex. Jones. Quit drinking. Quit [ __ ]. around. Quit eating bad food. He's.

eating healthy food now. He works out. every day. It's like no OMIC, no. [ __ ] no shortcuts. He did it the. right way. He looks great. Yeah. Yeah. He's um he's definitely he's definitely. one of my bucket list people to meet at. some point. I can introduce you to Alex. We can make that happen for sure. 100%. It'd be just I thought that just be. hilarious. That's done. Done. Done. Nice. Yeah. We'll we'll hook that up. Be. prepared. That'd be an interesting. conversation. Yeah, cuz off air he's. just like he is on air. He's That's Alex.

Jones. He's ready to go. He's got. billion [ __ ] what Bill Gates is doing. right now. And then you're like corny. like what how does he get away with. that? But what? But basically what they. did, they paid off all the mass media. If you see there's a $350 million. donation that he gave to all the media. companies. Like what? 350? Is that real? Then Jamie will look it up like holy. [ __ ] Yeah, I know. He's he's right a. lot of the time. He's right most of the. time except that one big one. But other. than that, you'll get that with like. they say, like the kids say, you get. that with those big jobs. You know, you. know what also I think happens, and this.

is I think this is 100% real, is that. there are a bunch of fake stories that. get propagated to people that are really. invested in conspiracy theories, hoping. that those people promote those fake. conspiracy theories and then get outed. as being wrong. Yeah. You know, I think. uh you can get caught up in that. And. then I also think if you're real quick. to not check and and I'm guilty of that. all the time to see if something's. legit. You know, that's one of the vital. roles that Jamie plays. Like Jamie's. like, "Maybe that's not real." Like.

what? Why are you [ __ ] this up Jamie? Like we want it to be real, right? You. want a nice juicy conspiracy to be real. Um, and then also, you know, at the time. of the Sandy Hook stuff, he was drinking. like a lot. And I think he was genuinely. overwhelmed by all the real stuff that. he was finding, you know, when he's. getting into the Iraq war and all these. different things. It's like he was just. overwhelmed, man. I think he had a. psychotic break, you know, and he'll. he'll be the first to say that, too.

It's like when you're your whole. business is uncovering uncovering insane. conspiracies that everybody thinks. you're out of your [ __ ] mind and then. 20 years later you're like, "Holy [ __ ]. he was right about every step of the. way." He was telling me about central. bank digital currency connected to a. social credit score system that it's. game over because they'll lock you in. just like they've done with China. And. he was like saying this like a decade. plus ago and I was like, "What? Huh?". Yeah. It's great. like um the guy before.

him that I think I think the two of them. actually didn't get along but I always. if I ever when if I ever do meet Alex I. was going to ask him about that is Bill. Cooper but he was a guy who kind of came. before Alex that was Behold the Peril. Horse guy right? Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, even back then it just most of it seemed. like total madness now back then and now. it's like but it's just sort of like I. laugh about when I was a kid everyone. thought that Michael Jackson was the big. like sexually perverted guy and who. knows with Mike but you know now I look. at Michael as like this just kid that. was put in this terrible position from a.

child up and now all these other. musicians that you wouldn't even think. are the sex predators are it's just kind. of like you just don't really know much. of anything anyway but yeah like with. with the Michael Jackson thing too is. his doctor said that he chemically. castrated when he was young to maintain. his voice. And I believe him because. that that totally makes sense. You look. at his frame, he his his really thin. frame where it doesn't look like he has. any testosterone. You look at all his. brothers. His brothers are like thick.

Like what would chemically what does. chemically castrated mean exactly? Well, it's a crazy thing. It's hormone. blockers. It's exactly what they're. doing to trans kids now. Yeah. It's the. same thing. Okay. And that's why Michael. Jackson had that voice. It's very. similar to a castrada's voice. Do you. know what a castrada is? So these kids. in opera were castrated when they were. young. And there's only one available. recording. I think it's just it's like. one guy, right? Have you ever heard it? You should hear a long time ago. Yeah.

I'd like to hear it. Let's let's listen. to some of it cuz it's [ __ ] creepy. I. just have heard stories about like uh. about that being a thing that they would. cast children so that they never had. testosterone so that their body never. really developed and then they would. have them maintain that young voice that. high pitch that's only possible if you. don't develop the deepness that comes. with that's why when trans men when. women start taking testosterone their. voice starts getting deeper things start.

getting weird they started getting very. Dwayne Johnson you know, it's like. that's testosterone. That's what it. that's the effect that it has on your. voice. And um these um poor [ __ ]. Aleandro Moreski. [Music]. I don't want to I'm not going to Don't. make fun of him. It's a beautiful woman. [Music].

Yeah, this is a grown man, right? Yeah, it's a. grown man. Oh [ __ ] Sorry. That'll be like sampled. in the next Kanye song or something. Yeah, we can leave it there. We don't. have to play anymore of it. It's so.

haunting. It's so haunting. First of. all, what [ __ ] psycho figured out. that if you cut off little boys balls, you could make them sing like that. forever. Like, what [ __ ] psycho was. the first person to do that? Yeah, cuz. these are little kids they're doing it. to. They're doing like six-year-olds. Was this in the church? Was this like a. church thing or a I do not know. It was. an opera thing, but I know opera thing. Castrating men, you know, Unix was a. common thing. when people were working. in the the homes of royals, they'd. castrate them. There's one of the most.

horrific stories was Nero. Nero um beat. his wife to death and then took a slave. boy who looked like his wife and. castrated him and changed his name to. his wife and presented him as his wife. Yeah. People in power have always been. horrible. Yeah. People when they get. unchecked power have always been. horrible. That's why directionally like. this whole no kings protest that's.

supposed to go down on Saturday. Directionally it's correct. Like you. don't want kings. You don't want. oligarchs. But who's funding it? Well, it turns out it's funded by an oligarch. It's funed by a lady worth $20 billion. who is the aist to Walmart who Walmart, a company that employs cheap labor and. sells a lot of stuff from China that. would be affected by tariffs. Mhm. You. know, it's like that with all of them, though. It's like It's like that with. everything, man. Everything is like it. presents as being this moral situation.

Like they're really looking out for you. They're really looking out for people. There's they're never really looking out. for people. There's always some primary. profit motive that's causing any. organized thing. All there's it's never. for the human race. It's ne unless the. people are all on mushrooms. It's never. for the human race. And until mushrooms. get legalized, that's probably never. going to happen. And that's the real. battle. The real battle is what gets. legal first, AI or mushrooms, you know. Yeah. It's uh both of us will.

lead towards God. Both of them will lead. towards God, but one with a completely. different outcome. I've It's going to. take me like four or five times. listening to it to be able to talk about. it. But the I've went back and listened. to the to the maps maps of meaning on. Audible and it's one of Jordan's earlier. works, you know, and he's talking about. society and how it's structured and. basically talks about like the. motivations and the origins of why. people always resort to evil, you know, like in this I mean we talk so much. about the Holocaust, but not at all. about all the other horrible tragedies.

that happened there at the same time. But even like talking about with Russia, like just think about the Soviet Union. and what happened there and how easily. people were turned against. It's just we. I I this little moment in time we're in. is just so we should just be so thankful. for it even though it is mass chaos. right now. Like the fact that we can the. fact that people are allowed to speak. freely and do things and have have the. influence and power they do is just nuts. when you think about you're right. I. mean it's this the the same crazy people. that we're arguing about today have. always existed in different forms and. with different names and faces. But but.

we are better off today than anybody. else in human history. And this is a. struggle and it is a battle. But I think. we can come out of this on the other. side if we all realize that we're being. played against each other. And that's. where it's important. You know, when. you're paying people to protest, you're. leaving pallets of bricks around and. you're organizing the whole thing and. you're shipping people in on buses and. you're making sure that all the people. show up at a certain amount of time and. they're all compensated and you give. them water and snacks. Like, we got to. realize what's going on here. This is. not for you. When you light your city on.

fire and you burn cop cars, it's never. good. It's not good for you. It's not. good for the cause. they're not going to. change the laws. One thing that I heard. I I heard from Trump today that I. thought was very promising is that he. wants to make an executive order where. uh people that are here for a long time. that have been like working on farms. that are undocumented. that they won't be targeted and that. they'll be exempt from all this stuff. This is my feeling like if you got here. and you're you've integrated into our. society, yeah, maybe you shouldn't have.

snuck in, but you did it and you're not. breaking any laws. you're a hardworking. person. Those those people need a path. to citizenship, man. Because if you. don't, then they're just pred they're. just prayed upon by people that will. take advantage of the fact that they're. undocumented and not pay them what. they're legally supposed to pay them and. not give them benefits if they're. legally supposed to have benefits and. they can't say anything because they're. worried that immigration is going to get. called on them. So, the these people are. in this constant state of anxiety and. then they hear about the ICE raids like. at Home Depot. Like, what the [ __ ]. Yeah, there was a there was a big ice.

raid um at the at the Facebook data. center job not far from my place where I. used to have to go when I was Facebook. data center ice. Yeah, the Facebook. project. It's in um it's not far from me. in Virginia. I think it's technically. would be in would it be South Boston? I. think it's technically in ICE didn't. bribe or Facebook didn't bribe Ice. Facebook. I would have [ __ ] bought. ice some new cars. There's a big job. that um a big job site that I used to. have to go on some that's in um the. southern part of Virginia, like not far. from North Carolina. And I somebody was.

sending me pictures there from the other. day, but they had a big ice raid and. there was dudes like running through the. like people were just escaping the job. like running away from the job and. stuff. It was nuts. But why why like. gang members? Yes. Criminals, yes. This. why? Why? Like I think as crazy as it. sounds, the only way to do this and look. like you have a heart is evaluate people. on a case- by case basis. Like there's. good people. There's good people. It's. also so complicated because it goes back.

for so long. And the idea the thing now. is that there's two very polarizing. opinions of what America even is or. represents or what job it's supposed to. serve to the world. So like you know in. some Yeah. Sure. there like any for any. country to exist it has to have there. has to be something there that. identifies what it is as a country and. you have and like there's like yeah like. it just seems like without citizenship. or without some definitive thing of. who's a citizen or not. It's like then. it's not even a country. It's like and. and most every country has some like the. idea of there being no immigration laws.

for a country means that it's no longer. a country. But I also think it's like. the the the opposite side of that too is. like America's always. in theory, even though it's always been. ran by these there's always been these. corrupt people involved in it. In. theory, you know, America wasoe was. started as sort of this thing that was. like that could maybe be like. like a sanctuary that like that like. doesn't allow the doesn't allow. monarchies and dictators and horrible. things, you know, like as bad as America.

maybe has been in certain cases like the. fact that when when Japan lost, they. didn't just go and take it over and call. it another part of America. Like they. went and tried to rebuild. Like in. theory, America is supposed to be this. vein that exists of, you know, it's it's. it's originate its origination is from. people who wanted to get away from. monarchies and dictators. And of course, like it's so easy to pick on the. founding fathers and all their faults. and the crazy things they did, but it. was centuries ago in a different. culture. And they probably were all.

maniacs. You'd have to be a maniac to to. go up against the world's biggest empire. and take it on, you know, like with a. musket with a [ __ ] Yeah. Like you'd. have to you have to be crazy. And of. course they had personality flaws, but. they the reality is is that here's the. thing that sucks is like and it goes. both ways. There's a lot of things about. people on the left that people on the. right don't realize that they have in. common. And it's the same way with this. Like I I it breaks my heart when people. just totally trash the founding fathers. Not because they were these morally they. took horrendous shits, too. I'm sure.

probably not as bad as Beyonce, but. pretty close. And you know the fact like. of course they were bad people. They. were all bad. We're humans. We're flawed. inherently. even the best of us, even. the ones who act like we're the best and. the most like we're all screwed up. We. all have our problems and our faults and. stuff, but the fact that they were. willing to like go somewhere to another. land with all these with all this crazy. stuff and then take on the, you know, the world's biggest empire at that time. just so they could be able to do what. they, you know, religious freedom. It's. like the they didn't want religious. religious freedom because they were not. even necessarily because they wanted to.

go to church. I always thought it was. like it's so weird that they they were. fighting for religion, but it wasn't. they were fighting for religion. They. were fighting for the mandate of. religion for the they were they were. tired of the church and like I know it's. not considered the church anymore but. there is still a church that dominates. us and tries to to control us now and. that now unfortunately now the church is. just sort of this weird thing but it's. the it's the zebra mentality you know. among politicians it's like it goes back. to that I think it's Jordan Peterson. that talks about the zebras and how. they'll do a study on zebras and they'll.

it's in the maps and meaning book I. believe and they'll mark one red to. study it and then the predators take. that zebra down because the zebra's. stripes aren't camouflaged to their. surroundings. They're camouflaged to. each other. So, they're not easily. identifiable. And so, four or five lions. can't take one zebra down if they all. look the same. And in politics, I. believe that's what's happened. especially on the left. You know, I uh I. had people in Nashville quit working. with me because I I talked about this. when I was at the Rhyman, but I uh we. had this this uh this dancing um this.

chick that plays the fiddle and she does. like flat dancing and stuff named. Hillary Kug uh who lives in Nashville. and we had her come to the Ryman to do. this show with us and uh it was on a. last minute thing and I'm about to. introduce her and I tell the crowd I'm. like hey you know I said I got Hillary. about to come out and I was like but. it's not don't worry it's not that. Hillary and just made all it took just. made a joke about it. Well, I just. somebody said something in the crowd. that was and I don't know. I just. interact and I just say what comes to. mind and I don't care, you know, I don't. worry about all that stuff and what. people might think. I just try to say.

what I feel. But I was like, you know, isn't it crazy that somebody like. Hillary who not that long ago I can. remember vividly as a child or in. teenage years like being completely. against the idea of even having two. people of the same gender be married. like she was as against gay marriage as. like any any person on the far right is. now, you know, and that was that was in. my childhood or early teen. And I said, and now the fact that now that it's okay. for kids to become transgender and go. through like what Michael did, that's to. me is just it just shows that it's all.

theatrics and that none of those people. really have any real like opinions about. any of this stuff. It's all about. what'll sell, you know? Like again, did. you say this at the Ryman? I said this. at the Ryman and so I had my um I had my. management company that I was using then. drop me and a bunch of other people. without even telling me. They just. emailed my attorney and said they. couldn't work with me anymore. They were. that mad about that. Um which tells you. how far off the deep end. But anyway, it's just well everything you're saying. is just a but you're exactly you're. exactly right with all that. It's just. um it's difficult to convey that to.

people because there's so many emotions. involved. But at the end of the day, it's like. I don't see a whole lot of difference in. people on the left and the right. anymore. I think we're all just like. like you said, we all we all are trying. to just effectively accomplish the same. thing just in in different ways. And. it's really easy to get angry at. somebody that's on the same level as you. than somebody that you don't even know. exists, which is like with these private. equity companies and these people in the. background that do all the like it the. enemy that So what's happened is is.

going back to the zebra thing, what I. think has happened is like especially in. politics, the reason why Hillary Clinton. can be against gay marriage and then. four transgender kids in my in a very. short period of my lifetime and and a. whole bunch of other politicians with. her is that they're all just constantly. rearranging their stripes. So all the. zebras look just alike because as soon. as one of them looks a little bit. different, right? You know, like um. that's a great like Tulsi Gabbard or. whatever. I don't know name. There's. plenty there's plenty of people besides. that's just the first one that comes to. mind that's like, you know, trying to be.

a Democrat and and upholding most of. what the Democratic party would have. wanted her to uphold up until very. recently, but because she didn't. rearrange her stripes, it's like you're. dead. But there's a whole bunch of more. like her, too, that that aren't even in. politics anymore. But that's that's the. way I see it now is it's like all these. people and so like even with Big Donnie, you know, I wonder like yeah big Donnie. I see I just wonder even I just don't. trust it's kind of my Alex Jones. syndrome but it's like no matter how. cool somebody seems like that I think.

like man does does him and Hillary. really still chill? Like they're. probably smoking a fat joint right now. just laughing. I don't know. Like you. just don't really know. You don't really. know. You're just you have to see what. you see and you have to take it in and. just hope that you have that somehow you. have the discernment to know what's true. or not. But you really just don't I mean. even with me, man, so much crazy stuff. that gets said and done. And um I just. don't even when things come out about me. that aren't true, I just don't even. reply or acknowledge them anymore. I. just let them exist in their own little. space and be part of it. And I've just.

decided that again, we're just all on. the we're just in this crazy thing where. all this stuff happens and it's just I. don't know. You can't. You can't. The. problem is so many people that don't do. that, there's they're not aware of how. much influence is being pedled onto. them. How much how much their mind and. their opinion is being affected by this. nonsense on social media by bots and by. all these different things. What you. said about the zebras and the stripes is. so [ __ ] perfect. One of my favorite. clips is uh Hillary Clinton when she was. running um I think it was 2012.

It might have been when did she f he. first become president? 2008, right? Who? Uh Obama. Yeah, it might have been. 2008, but she was running and she was. more MAGA than MAGA. She was talking. about the border and about people coming. over here. If you want to stay, you get. a stiff fine and if you've done anything. illegal, you get exported. No questions. asked. And listen to this. Give me this. full volume from the beginning.

Wait till you hear this. This is wild. So, I think we got to have tough. conditions. Tell people to come out of. the shadows. If they've committed a. crime, deport them. No questions asked. They're gone. If they. if they've been working and are. law-abiding, we should say, "Here are. the conditions for you staying. You have. to pay a stiff fine because you came. here illegally. You have to pay back. taxes. And you have to try to learn. English. And you have to wait in line.".

If Trump like. you have to wait in line. That's so. MAGA. I mean, it just proves the point. that none of that really means they're. sitting in the green room in the back. before that speech and there's like some. stuff written out and they're just like, "Oh, I got to try to remember all this. crap." Like none of that meant anything, you know? Like none of that. I don't. think she even believed when she said it. back then. In other words, she thought. it was what the country wanted to hear. That's all it is. It's all focus group. [ __ ] It's all what the country wants to. hear and what the party agrees upon, what the zebras all agree on. When you.

just said that, that's it perfectly. And. as it morphs, as it gets into trans. kids, you got to support trans people in. the military. Whatever it is, they just. all [ __ ] hop in line. What flag am I. putting in my Twitter bio? And to go. back to go back to what you said at the. beginning about those kids that are. riding with the and they don't really. even know what they're riding. They got. the mask on, but they're doing this. And. it's like I guess what I mean is is. there's a bunch of human beings on earth. especially now like in our in this sort. of like American culture and all the.

other subseries of it like in you know. Europe and everywhere is so Americanized. now but there's all these people who are. really angry. It's kind of like why it's. the reason why you know there's so many. of these videos where they interview. like the Antifa dudes and they don't. really even know why they're they're not. able to talk. They're not really able to. articulate why they're there or what. they believe. They're just there because. they want to they're just there to riot, you know, right? There's this like. general anger that I think has that. dwells in a lot of us towards this. system that we realize is inefficient. and ineffective and rigged, but it's.

just too complex, at least individually. and through the means of the internet. for us to identify who our enemies. really are. And so instead it's like. let's just go do like let's just go. let's go catch catch some [ __ ] on fire. because at least it feels like we're. doing something even though but I think. like I think there's a lot more in. common between. the patriotic cosplaying type people who. who want to who talk all the time about. like you know that and the people who. are like Antifa. I actually think that. they're two of the same cloth. They just.

both they both just don't really realize. it. But I think I think like the there. is this really amazing sort of. rebellious spirit of the left that just. needs to be reintegrated in society with. the right and then it's like then it. becomes unstoppable and and it no longer. becomes a left and a right thing. But I. just don't think like I'll give you. another great example like um. like when I was younger I'd go to these. some of these protests in DC and stuff. and I would always stay at George.

Washington University with these kids. and um we were all in our early 20s. probably and we're all very like at that. point there wasn't any like real. political identity to it. I don't think. those people would have called. themselves left back then, but you. better believe most of them ended up. going to all the Black Block and the. Antifa and the Black Lives Matter and. every other protest there was just cuz. they wanted to go protest. They just are. like, you know, like it's like it's like. Yeah. It's like it's a thing of of of. like rebelling against the system. It.

doesn't really It doesn't really matter. what part of the system it is or if it. really even makes any sense. You just. know that that's Yeah. It's like I think. I think and that's what I mean is. through the means of the internet. I. don't think we'll ever be able to. organize all those people together in a. way that's productive. But I do think in. real life we can. I do think I do think. through I think music is I think that's. why I want to focus mostly on music and. like trying to influence and in a way to. where the rich don't control it and the. rich don't choose what songs we listen. to and what songs make it on the charts. like we do. I think that's the first.

step. I think actually think music is. some like I guarantee you there if you. looked if there was some way to I'm sure. there's some report to be ran where you. could see how people voted versus what. kind of music people listen to and I. guarantee you a lot of people who voted. differently listen to the same exact. lyrics and resonate with them like what. is that like they're that's all I mean. is this we just been we we've just been. mass distracted and me and misled is all. like well also when you get these kind. of organized protests they're all. organized with this one thought in mind. like there there there's unlawful full,

you know, changes in policies that's. shipping our community back to Mexico. and we got to stop this. these are all, you know, oligarchs are involved and. this is a dictatorship and they feel. like they're fighting against something. bad and if they're uninformed and who. the [ __ ] who's 21 is informed, you know, most people who are young, especially if. you're going to college, you're around a. bunch of other like-minded people in an. echo chamber and you're all trying to. like get social credit by being the most.

woke and the most activisty and you're. the person who's the most involved and. you're helping organize and you like get. a sense of purpose and then there's also. the thing of being on the ground with a. bunch of other people that are moving in. a certain direction that to me it I. think it ignites a thing I think there's. things inside of us that get ignited one. of them is like here's a the best way to. describe is like fishing you know when. you go fishing I've seen people catch. their first fish when that fish gets on.

the line. you get excited everybody gets excited. because it's this ancient thing inside. of you that lets you know you're now. successful. Your family's going to eat. You caught a fish and it just like. sparks it inside of you. It does it with. bow hunting, but very few people are. going to go bow hunting. But the other. thing that it does it with is war. And. protests are like war. You're marching. You're all together. Who's opposing us? [ __ ] them. And everyone's all aggressive. and they're all chanting.

br. [ __ ] Ice. [ __ ] Ice. And you think. you're doing the right thing. you think. you're doing the right thing, you know, and then you see [ __ ] like cops shooting. rubber bullets at reporters and you're. like, "What the [ __ ] These people are. garbage." Like, how are you shooting a. reporter? Yeah. As long you're supposed. to shoot the rubber. Well, and I but I. think the the problem now is that it's. so there's it's too complicated to be. able to dissect it and correct it that. like like with these ICE protests. though. In other words, there's been. such a heavily disputed and mismanaged.

protocol over immigration my entire. life. So now it's like you can't now. just go in and just try to like that's. what's going to h people are going to. protest though when you just all of a. sudden go in and try to just like clean. house all at once. It's like we've never. even really established as a country. what it what it is or because like. because most of the people we've. listened to the last 20 years will say. stuff like that and whatever year that. was 2008 and now say gosh can you. imagine if somebody said that now that. they would be like a they would be a. racist and taken off the internet for.

saying what Hillary said on there about. having to speak English and stuff. So. it's for sure. But there's a big. difference between protests and. organized protests where you're paying. people and then you're leaving bricks. around. This is a it's like it's a. bastardization. It's a they've they've. taken over the thing this the the virtue. of this thing like this part of the. first amendment your right to express. yourself. The right for the people to. get together and say hey this is not. cool and they've distorted it with money. like everything else. Yeah. Do and.

they've used it as a political tool. I. would think maybe that that's happened a. lot though even in in the past with like. civil rights and everything else. A lot. of that was much more organized than it. was made. Like I didn't know until just. a couple years ago. Like I' I've learned. the story all through school and heard. it a million times about Rosa Parks, but. I didn't realize until a couple years. ago that she was part of some I don't. know. I don't even know what she was. part of, but she was part of some. organization and it was like a planned. thing. I just I I was always taught it. like she just spontaneously did it. But.

I think another I think there's just. there's every every like thing in. history has this whole backstory to it. that we don't really know much about, right? Most things have been. manipulated. If they can be manipulated. once they realize they can manipulate. people, they started and they probably. started that a long time ago. I mean, we've talked about it a million times, but that's why Smemedley Butler wrote. wrote War is a racket in 1933. you know, Major General Smemedley. Butler, who was they they tried to get. him to overthrow the [ __ ] government. with a coup and he wouldn't do it. And.

then he writes this book about how every. single operation he was involved with. He thought they were doing this, but. really they were just making it safe for. bankers. They're really just. overthrowing a government, installing a. friendly one. It's like it's been going. on since they could. And back then it. was way easier to pull off because there. was no internet where you could pull up. a Hillary Clinton video from Yeah. more. than a decade ago and go, "Look at her. She's uh pretty MAGA. You could put a. [ __ ] red hat on that lady and she'd. be standing on that stage right next to.

RFK Jr., you know?" Yeah. And it's just. it's because there's such an information. overload. Stuff like that will always be. forgotten about too soon too for it to. make a difference. Like um she could. have been Trump's vi vice president back. then. Yeah. Like no [ __ ] She would. have been right. She would have been. like queen mom of Trump land. There. would be people with Hillary Clinton. flags flying behind their pickup trucks. with her with like two fists in the air. with a MAGA hat on and not [ __ ] And. I but I remember even back then like um. well you know the one the one that's.

what made me fall in love with comedy. was Nor McDonald and like his whole bit. about the Clintons and stuff and getting. on the view and riing all them up and. stuff. But even you know back then I. remember they were trying to like can't. I guess he got kicked off of Saturday. Night Live because of that right and. all. Was it because of the Clinton spec. or it might have been because of um it. was probably because he's too funny. There was something else. Yeah. But there's I don't know. Was one. of the funniest people of all time and. his weekend update that thing that he. would do was [ __ ] fantastic. Fant he.

was the best ever at it. He was so good. and the jokes were so he he would go so. out there back when you could, you know, and if that's what got him kicked off a. Saturday Night Live, great. Makes him. even more of a legend. I think more. Yeah, I think that's I. think that's what's important about I. don't I'm not a fan of all the real. crazy vulgar humor sometimes and stuff. like I I'm more of a norm type of comedy. guy like I like the more goofy stuff. that's not like constantly talking about.

penises and stuff but like you know or. whatever like whatever it is sex and. everything else but I it's really. important that all that stuff does exist. just because of the idea I think it's. important that there's this place that. exists here in Austin that freedom of. speech will always be in even if you. know it's Like it's such a critical. thing, especially now more than ever. I. think it's critical for everybody, even. if you don't agree with it. And that's. what's so hard for people to recognize. when people don't have a voice and. someone has a voice and that voice is. different than their opinion. They want. to shut they want to shut it down. They.

want to silence it and they want to. elevate their voice. Nature just pure. natural. It's natural instincts that. human beings have. And you got to you. got to resist that because you got to. realize you don't want that used on you, right? Well, then don't use it on other. people. Yeah. Well, everyone's guilty. Like I went when I was at the ARC where. I g where we spoke at that thing in. London. There was a a talk we went to, I. think the next night that was about. freedom of speech. And I can't remember. the I can't remember who all was. speaking there. It was some people that. I should probably remember, but I um.

yeah, but they uh they were talking. about it was it was it was a group that. was defending people in Europe that were. like being being arrested and stuff for. things they had reposted online and all. which is really important, you know, like they're they're arresting people. for political things that they put. online in Europe and like not even. giving them very obscure reasoning as to. why whatever in some cases they won't. even tell them what they're arresting. them for. And so like the cause of what. these people are doing is very. important, but the whole time they're. just they're referring to it as the woke.

mind virus, which is yeah, sure, funny, put in a bid or whatever, but god like. no. What it is is it's like the. government using this one specific thing. out of a list of things that they could. as part of this moral high ground to. arrest people for speaking out against. Not because it has nothing to do with. anything on the left or the right. It's. the fact that the state would love for. people to not be allowed to criticize. anything because then that means they. can't criticize them 100%. by them. saying woke mind virus every five. minutes while they're talking about it. It just immediately polarizes half the.

people who they need to get on board in. order to stop it, which is the left who. it's like I don't know. There's just um. I don't know. I think I might try to one. one of these days I might just try to. give the old thing a run and see it. But. I really think I could it would be it. would probably You going to run for. president? It would probably end in like a nuclear. war. But I think we could do I think. it'd be pretty interesting. I think you. going to run for office if you will. [ __ ] that. No, I've No, I'm not on the.

same page. Veron Supreme, call me up. No, I'm just kidding. I don't think I. would. I I might do like a governor run. somewhere or something or a mayor. Maybe. I'll start with mayor. Maybe that's a. good way. Seems like a terrible job, dude. Don't do it. I would say don't do. it. But if you have to do it, do it. I. mean, someone should do it. That's like. you. I just remember my whole life like. since I was a kid, people were like, "Man, what would happen if just we got. some regular dude in there and like all. this, it's just like I don't know." You. probably get immediately disillusioned. You'd realize the entanglements that.

exist and I think it's impossible to. navigate. I think once you get in there, you're like, "Holy shit." You know, when. I talk to people that are in this. administration now that weren't before, they've realized like all the paperwork. and red tape and bureaucracy and all the. different departments, all the people. that are controlling these departments. and all the [ __ ] resistance you have. to any change and all the people that. don't want to give you the information. that you're asking for and it gets wild. and exhausting and you're dealing with a. machine that's been operating pretty.

much unchecked for decades. Let's check. them out. Yeah. Give him the old check. Look what they did to Elon. He tried to. check him out. They turned him into a. Nazi. Yeah. I mean, it's like Well, do. you think was there I'm not well read on. any of this. This is like this is. actually something I wanted to ask you. about at one point or another. Anyway, was your take on like the Elon Trump. situation, but you know, I um apparently. they're making up. You think things are. cool now? Supposedly conversation on the. phone. The argument but the argument. behind it was that they felt like Trump.

wasn't letting Elon. See, I don't I. don't know what to think of I really. don't know what to think of any of that. situation or Elon in general. And I just. say I just it really fascinated me that. it seemed like they were both using Doge. for different reasons maybe or they had. different motivations behind it. But. what if like what if it was like a. genuine what if there was genuine audits. done on everything and like what if all. that stuff did get uncovered and what if. somebody wasn't scared to just release. all that stuff and the consequences of. it? Like people do deserve the truth.

like, well, they've released some of it, right? So, we know a lot about US aid. now. We know what that was. We know what. crazy programs are in place. We know. through Mike Benz's work where the way. he describes US aid as doing things that. are too dirty for the CIA, you like he. describes it being used for regime. change and but under the name aid, it. seems like it's just aid. Oh, we're. helping people, but it's agency for. international development is what it. really stands for. So, there's that. that's been dismantled. The thing is.

they're not spending less money. They're. spending more money. They're spending. like a trillion dollars on the the on. the Pentagon. It's the whole thing is. kind of nuts because nobody wants to. stop spending money. Nobody wants to. lose their job. And they're all in a. position where they have influence and. there's thousands of different points of. influence. And if you're the president. or the vice president or, you know, any. of these [ __ ] people, it's a very difficult road. The one of. the things that I felt like was the most. important was Bobby Kennedy because.

Bobby Kennedy getting in there, he was. determined to find out what is the root. cause of America's massive health crisis. that we're all facing. Like why are we. having this? Why do we have uh different. toxins that are in our foods that are. banned in Europe? Why are we allowing. the use of these different things that. we know are terrible for the body? You. know, why is there not greater scrutiny. on these pharmaceutical drug. corporations? Why are they not, you. know, why are they able to lie and get. away with it and prescribe things for. people that don't need them and and not.

be responsible for the health. consequence of these things and that. this needs to be cleaned up? And so. that's what he's doing right now. I'm. very happy and I hope that he can really. make meaningful changes because it seems. like he is. He follow he fired the 17. people that were the head of uh the. vaccine schedule and he's hired a bunch. of new people. They were all very. qualified and one of them being Robert. Malone. Robert Malone, the guy that. everybody said was a kook that I got in. trouble for initially for having on my.

podcast when they were trying to, you. know, like when [ __ ] Neil Young was. trying to get me removed from Spotify. This is over Robert Malone. Robert. Malone who owns nine patents on the. creation of mRNA vaccine technology. Certifiable genius. Like unquestionably, they were calling him a cook. This guy's. a kook. a guy who took the vaccine and. had a horrible reaction. They were. calling him a cook. So that guy being a. part of this administration, being a. part of the, you know, make America. healthy again movement, very important. All that stuff is very important for.

everybody, not Republicans, not. Democrats. And if there's any area we. where we should be bipartisan on, it's. that. and realizing that corporations. have taken advantage of loopholes and of. a bunch of different creepy laws that. have allowed them to poison you and. you're getting poisoned and you're. addicted to this poison and there's a. way out of this. Well, he's he's kind of. where I got the inspiration for the call. idea from. Um, you know, he he uh No, well, he he and I actually met he came.

out to my he came out to the property. where we filmed Richmond and all and I. met him. This was before he got linked. up with Trump. He was still running. This is during all that and he was he. was still running for himself. But we. had a long conversation about this. concept for a healing center, which is. like this thing that he's been kind of. like as a part of all this, which is. like which is kind of the the idea of. people going out into nature and like. learning how to grow food and learning. how to like cuz in in this in this. neverending abyss of chaos where. everything's changing so fast and.

nothing, you know, nature is nature has. been affected by that through like some, you know, through chemicals and. technology and other things, but for the. most part, It's all the systems in. nature, all the organization there and. the all that stuff is sort of like the. last thing that's untouched by man. You. know, when you go out on two or 30. hundred acres and you just sit there and. you're watching the water go by, it's. like it you just sort of you take. everything that we've talked about like. all this these are all very complex like. just crazy century thousands of year.

long things that that mankind have done. But meanwhile, nature just sort of. exists and does its thing. And and it's. like it's it's sort of a way to. compartmentalize all this monstrosity. into one little thing and realize that. there is other there is a reality. outside of the reality that like modern. society has constructed us to exist in. 24/7. That's 100% 100%. Like gosh, dude, that's the only thing that saves me is. like especially being a little bit. probably a little bit too introverted. for this job position. um you know going.

out on tour even for a weekend or two or. like dude by the time Sunday comes and. we get through this in these two. mothership shows. We have uh we got West. Virginia next weekend, but I'll spend. the this whole week I probably won't. talk to anybody except for like. immediate family, you know? I'll just. have my I'll just go sit out in the. woods with the dogs and just watch the. birds chirp and all that. But it's. amazing. There's something really. important about that that I want to I. want to I want to understand like you. take if you can take two or 30 hund. acres like what can you plant on it that. brings in the c the the types of nature.

that benefit human beings the most? It's. like I want to conduct studies on like. everything from birds to plants to. wildlife to different type like how do. you put a human being who is so screwed. up in the most optimal condition to heal. and to fix like cuz it's obviously not. the ca like you're not going to go to a. mental institution or and I'm not even. suggesting for people who should be in a. mental institution. I just mean like you. know people who like a guy I know who. you mentioned mushrooms and stuff but. there's a guy I know like that's in the. Marines who's dealing with PTSD. like.

how do you get him into a spot where he. can just go out and you know like you. can't it's hard to get it's hard to fix. that part of your brain living in a city. or living in a suburb and not having an. act like so that's you know um so yeah. it's just like this crazy dream I have. where like it's sort of a it's a way to. rebel against all of this without. rebelling it's just creating a better. way to do it but imagine if you like. this is like the pilot program for this. thing where it's this sort of outdoor. amphitheater and it's like very. immersive and in nature and you can and. you can like.

re reunlock these parts of your brain. you talked about that are sort of very. primitive and to us and then and then. just emulate it over a period of time. like so I'm doing these shows where. they're they're they're nonprofit and. the idea is just to go into an area that. hasn't had music that's in an A or B. ticketing market do a show there build. them a blueprint whether it's on a main. street or in a farm field or whatever. but just somewhere where Live Nation and. Ticket Master can't touch it build them. a blueprint with like ingress egress. promotions how to sell the show where to. put the stage how to set everything up. here's all the vendors they use and then. give them this blueprint where can do it.

over and over and over again and just. build like these sort of sanctuaries. that exist all over the country that. can't be like molested and prayed upon. by all those big companies and all their. crap. And I think inherently by doing. that through like music and public. speaking and other things, those spaces. will almost serve as like like the way. that communities thrive again and the. way people reconnect. And I I joke and. say that like I everyone. every human being likes music and food. and socializing at least a little bit. And if you don't, you're probably a. robot and we don't I don't want you.

there anyway kind of a thing, you know. But like, so that's that's it in a. nutshell. But that all was inspired by. Bobby's sort of idea for this healing. center that he talked about. I think. it's a place over in Italy that he used. as a reference of um he had a relative. go to and like they were able to work. with like leather and do all the stuff. on a vineyard, I think, and it like it. had a there's a lot of, you know, we. know very little about the human mind. And that's why psychedelics are still. illegal and so and there's so much. misunderstanding and misconception and. just confusion even there because think. I mean like our brains are just so. infinitely complex even you know uh yeah.

so nature's is definitely a part of your. health without nature I don't think you. really get totally healthy we're a part. of nature you know like we're a we're a. natural thing existing in a world that. we've created that isn't natural and so. like this is all you know like this is. all everything that we've talked about. is just sort of man-made constructed. [ __ ] that is now that is now reality. to us. But there but it's just part of a. bigger thing too that it's we sort of. get isolated inside of it especially. when we're on our phone all the time. It's like yeah especially I've laid off.

social media and it's it's amazing. It's. like it lifts this weight off your. brain. How do you how do you manage. social? This is one thing I really have. a hard time with and it makes I feel bad. because I end up upsetting people or. whatever, but like how do you A lot of. people want your time and they want to. send you text messages and they want to. bother you with stuff and they want to. and it's not even they want to bother. you, they really gen but like how do you. manage that? Do you just have a small. social circle? Are you just really. social or like how do you find there's.

people where I just won't text them back. for like months and then they then they. think I hate them and it's not that I. hate them. It's just like I can't just. sit and text. I just can't send hundreds. of texts every day. Like I have to like. how do you balance all that or how do. you You got to keep changing your phone. number. But you also got to get comfortable with. not texting people back because you. can't text everybody back. Like look at. my phone. Want to see something. I'll. show you this. Look and see how many. unread text messages I have in the upper. left hand corner. What does it say?

623. Yeah. Good luck. How How am I going. to read those? I know. Well, it's not possible. I think it goes. back to my when I was at work before and. I had to keep up with the phone for work. and I had, you know, it's like it's just. instilled in me that like it just drives. me. So, I don't know. That's why Yeah. I've I've bought that flip phone that I. carry and there's just times Good move. It's a good move. You get your brain. back. It's also tough though because. there's people I do want to stay in.

contact with like, you know, like Yeah. But you can always reach out to them. Yeah, it's like, you know, we have this. idea of immediate interaction with. people that it's necessary. It's. important. And sometimes it is. important. Like maybe there's something. going on. Maybe your wife is pregnant. Like, who knows, right? You need. immediate contact. But most of the time, you don't. The vast majority of the time. you don't. We lived a long time without. it. Yeah. I mean, you don't want to not. be there for somebody who needs you in. an emergency, but other than that, yeah, it's good to be free. You just It's.

better for your brain. I don't I you. like I was saying I don't think we're. supposed to be getting the bad news from. 8 billion people. It's just too nuts. It's We're just too I don't think we're. even supposed to socialize with that. many. I mean we we thrive in smaller I. mean that's why all these Yeah. We we. definitely thrive in smaller Yeah. Keep. a tight tribe. Yeah. Yeah. Keep a tight. tribe. Keep a tight tribe of people that. are cool and make it so it's beneficial. to everybody so there's no resentment. You know, that's one of the things that.

happens in when a guy gets really famous. like you're getting is that some of you. can have the wrong people around you. You know, maybe you like look past some. of the resentful behavior that they. showed when you weren't successful and. then it manifests itself when you're. successful. They you could tell like. someone around you actually wants you to. [ __ ] up and that's a ter I've seen that. happen with friends. It's a terrible. place to be. There just has to be some. kind of way that I don't have to be. famous though. Like there's a way where. this is Yeah, but there's a way where.

this is like I'm just like I don't know. It's gotten a lot better. But um you're. just going to have to deal with it. Like. I said, this is the the path that you've. been given in this world. I just mean. that I just mean that like I should like. I just don't want fan I just don't want. people to perceive like I'm just some. dude that's written a song and we're but. this is like a colle like I said this is. a collective thing. Like the fact just. if you look at the if you look at the. rate of people who buy my songs on. iTunes versus most label artists, it's. like comically disproportionate. Like.

people people buy my songs out of. support and stuff. And so what I'm. saying is that this is like a thing like. this isn't just I'm sitting up here and. y'all are all down there. Like this in. my mind this is just a thing where we're. all equal and it just happens to be this. is the music cat. This is the music. catalog that we're giving people a. middle finger with. I don't I wouldn't. for a second want to ever think that. like that I'm above somebody else on. some social hierarchy because of it or. something. I guess I don't want to feel. like I that's not necessary. This is. just something where like let I just I'm.

just so excited to see where this can go. in the sense of like like like I said, it's just exciting that like like some. just full-blown idiot like me with a. couple of his buddies can figure out how. to do this and and rally enough support. up behind it. I'm just like, what could. really happen if we like what could. really happen if things were like if I. actually knew what I was doing or if. like enough of us got together? Like we. could really just flip we could just. flip everything upside down pretty quick. and it'd be hilarious. You don't have to. become a different thing just because. you're famous. That's a myth. You know,

you don't have to become better than. people. You don't have to think you're. better than people just because you're. famous. You can maintain who you are. It's totally doable. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I do it. I'm just me. I'm the same. person. You are. Yeah. I've been doing. it the same and I that's one of the. reasons why I do the podcast the exact. same way. I do it the same way. I don't. think oh this is going to be a big one. Everybody asks that's the first thing a. lot of people ask is how was Joe Rogan. and I was like he's Joe Rogan. Like. there is no so much easier that way. Just be you all day. Yeah. Like if.

you've watched him on the podcast, you've seen him in real life. He's, you. know, it's you see me at my worst and. you see me at my best. That's it. But. you know I'm a human being just like. anybody else. This is why why I. encourage everybody who wants to do. something like this to go do it. Anybody. can do this. Exactly. It's not You might. not do it this well immediately because. you're going to learn how to do it, but. it's like everything. You can learn how. to do it. Like you you can learn how to. sing. You can learn how to do standup. You you can learn how to play guitar. You can learn how to draw. You can learn. Oh, I could never do that. You can. Some.

people can do it better than you. Some. people are naturally talented in. different areas, you know, especially. when it comes to athletics. But you can. do it. You can do it. You can get better. every and getting better at something. and doing something is beneficial to the. whole of your life because if you can. apply that same those same principles to. everything, you can get better at. everything and you get better at being a. person and inspire other people like. Yeah. Like the more the more good that. you can do and the more you can put out, the more it inspires others to do, too.

Yeah. the more work you put out too, the. more songs you put out like Scornful. Woman, the more stuff that like really. resonates with people. It affects. people, man. It's like you it's that. wings of the butterfly, man. You know, you're like, you really you're like. spreading it out and you know, and it'll. inspire more people to write songs. It'll inspire more people to do things. It'll inspite it'll inspire people to. write books. It's just that's what we. do. We inspire people. People inspire. people. And people by doing something. that we know is difficult and they get.

through it and they create something. like wow. And you go to see you know. [ __ ] YouTube with the sphere like. wow. Yeah. You know that's what it's all. about man. You know that's that's the. beautiful thing that is this kind of. artistic. connection that you have with the. community with the people that that. enjoy your work. As long as you respect. that and as long as you understand what. it is you'll be great. You're just going. to have to deal with being famous, [ __ ] You know, I I have to I have to, you know, like I do I do think you're.

actually right. I probably was a little. misspoken or now that you've said what. you said about AI being able to replace. music and stuff. I do agree that like. there is a part of it that AI will never. they'll never understand the human. experience enough to be able to write. music about it. That's that captivates. people in a way that music can that's. been written by people. I do agree with. that. Yeah, they can make it sound. better and cooler and catchier, but I do. think like I do think the people that. are really writing it are the ones that.

um and the ones that really write. I. mean, like just to talk about this the. songwriting process with Scornful, you. know, we were I had been um we had just. gotten done with the touring over the. summer for the most part in 2024 and um. well, obviously things are what they. are, but there's just been there was. just a like multiple different negative. things happening at once. And I kind of. got in a I got in a spot where I I did. my thing where I sort of spiraled and. just was isolating myself. And so I. spent a month and a half or two months.

in that house pretty much. I didn't do I. didn't do Thanksgiving or Christmas last. year. I just just really didn't hardly. talk to anybody or anything. And so I. was like at a you know I was in a I was. in a position it was in a position where. it was like probably time to write a. song like that. And um and there's a few. things I do want to clarify too talking. about this. But so anyway, so me, Draven. from Radio WV, and Joey are all sitting. in the kitchen of this house where we. recorded the song. And it's probably in. the fall sometime. And Joey, it's 3:00.

in the morning, right? And um we like we. were all just like wired and um I can. think about Joey talking about really. wanting to write a song. And so him and. Draven were asking me about my. songwriting process and what I do. And. so like I just went and got the guitar. and I said, we were sitting there around. the table and I can remember it was me. and Joey sitting here and Draven leaning. up against the counter and we were just. talking about it. And I said, 'Well, I. said, if you're going to write a song, I. was like, the first thing you got to do. is figure out what you're going to write. about, and it's got to be something that. you feel, not something that you can. just articulate about. It's got to be. something that's like in there that.

needs to come out, you know? And so we. sat there for like 10 seconds and. scornful woman was the word that was. used, you know, and it was like it was. it was specific relationships, but also. it was a collection of all like the. experiences that we had all had like I. think in horrible we'd all had horrible. relationships too in the O of course we. all have, you know, like every dude on. earth has been has been through what. that song talks about in one way or. another. Can we play it? Let's let's. ceue it up. Yeah, let's queue it up, Jamie. Queue it up. But within two or. three minutes, the whole song was. written. It was just like it just it.

just came out. You know, that's And um. AI is not going to do that. There's. something there's there's there's. there's things that resonate in that. song that AI is never going to be able. to understand. Yeah. Yeah. And that's. the thing that's the thing that's going. to separate people from the machine and. live performance. That this kind of. stuff this kind of stuff right here. Mercer County, West Virginia. [Music].

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ain't right with a scornful woman. A scornful woman. [Music]. I used to sleep so. good. didn't have a nightmare. I was busy dreaming, believing he's. always going to be right. there. And now the middle of the day is.

like the middle of the night. And the. court says 5050, but the math don't ain't right with a. thorn for woman. [Music].

[Applause]. Well, she can have all the money. and they can keep all the fame. I go back to being broke as a joke. If I.

could just get a break from the pain. [Music]. [Music].

It's in the description of the video, but there's a the biggest shout out of. all this is to the there's a firefighter. that we he let us use this footage too. I think it's out of Brazil, but the name. of the firefighter is in the.

description, but for the the GoPro. footage, it was really cool. He let us. use that. Oh, so that's a real fire. Yeah, that's a real firefighting. Wow. GoPro video that we found and we reached. out to the guy and asked him if we could. use it. Um, but I just wanted to give. him a shout out on here. Joseph, volunteer volunteer firefighter, third company, Bomb Luendos in Chile. In. Chile, sorry. Yeah, that's awesome. I've. been My mind's been in kind of a blur. lately, so I should have remembered that. right. But that's all right. We got it. That's awesome. That [ __ ] song, dude.

Woo. That song's That song's a. firecracker. I can't wait for you to. hear some of the like um Let me turn. I'll I'll turn this on. I'll play like. just like I'll leak like 20 seconds of. one of the other ones. Like when is it. going to come out? I don't know when the. next ones will. Um. I don't even want to say a day cuz I. don't know. I'm such a procrastin I want. to say like within a month or so. Like. what are you doing with it? You changing. anything on it or you just not releasing. it yet. Just not I've just got I just.

need to get my life together a little. bit. Well, just release it right now. Put it out. Just release it right now. Put it out on the show. Send it to. Jamie. Um I'll play like 30 seconds of I. don't even have like a I don't even have. like a full file of anything on here. I've just got stuff that I've recorded. off my phone. But just to give you an. idea of like some of the other stuff I'm. working on like this one. Um, let me see. which one of these. They're all just say. like new recording 432. So, I got to. remember which like probably this one's.

probably one. I don't know if this will be right or. not, but this will give you an idea of. something. [Music]. [Music]. All right. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].

[Applause]. [Music]. I just got a bunch of little clips like. that of where we were practicing the. guitar parts. But anyway, I got a few. more that are like pretty heavy. I don't. know what they are. I don't know. People. will figure it out. There's something. I. don't I don't even I don't like to even. try to describe many of that stuff cuz I. don't know what it is. But So, are you. going to release it all as a full album. or you going to just do it like um song. at a time? Probably just song at a time.

right now just because it's simpler that. way. Um. yeah, and then I'll just I don't know. what I'm gonna I don't know what the. longterm plan is. So, I want to get I'll. get to the end of this tour this year in. October and um you don't need a. long-term plan. Yeah. Just keep doing. what you like doing. Yeah, I will. Yeah. This all long-term plan [ __ ] That's. people with vision boards. You don't. need Yeah, you're right. Yeah. No, you're right. I have been take I've just. tried to take it. I do have to think. long term though because I want to make. the most of this just for.

I don't know, man. The only thing I want. like I just want to look back when I'm. old and just think like just think like. [ __ ] yeah, we did it. Like we did this. thing. keep doing what you're doing. You. will do that 100%. Yeah, but I mean. bigger. I just want to see like I just. want to see the I just want to I don't. know. I just want to watch the machine. crumble, you know? Like I just I have. this like thing inside of me that. probably crumble on its own. It'll still. exist in some form, but you know, as. long as you can.

thrive without it, it doesn't matter. It. really doesn't matter. and more people. will realize that there's a way to do it. that's authentic. There's always going. to be people that are drawn to that and. it'll be more and more people as things. get more and more disconnected and feel. less and less human. Yeah, there's been so many big people go up. against it and not be able to quite. figure it out. Like even Pearl Jam back. in the 90s, you know, trying to go up. against I think Live Nation it was or. Ticket Master. And I don't know, man. And I just want to see that's like that.

that would be my biggest acol that would. be the biggest thing that I would feel. some sense of accomplishment about a. long time is like just how do you get. all these people together who have been. disenfranchised by the music industry. and just rally them together in a way. that like it's not to take anyone down. or to do anything bad at all towards. anybody, but it's just to like imagine. what society would be with real music. again without a bunch of label propped. up [ __ ] in every stuck in everybody's. head. Like what if people really. listened to what they loved and like. that and like it was real. It was like.

the organic side of things is what drove. music through the roof. Like imagine. what that would imagine what cuz think. about what music can do to you like not. even in the moment but just what it. means to you over time. like going back. and I go back all the time like uh and I. listen to like a 1999 live uh like a. like a live stain session or something. from back then and just or like old Hank. Williams III songs or like I don't know. stuff I listen to a lot as a kid and. like man it'll just unlock all these. memories you think about like all of a. sudden you're like back in a place that.

you never even remembered you ever were. It's just it's such a powerful thing on. us you know. Excuse me. So sorry I had. to sneeze. Yeah, but that's it. It's. powerful, man. It's powerful to do what. you're doing. What you're doing is that. you're doing that. Yeah. You're in that. groove. Shut the [ __ ] up. You are. You. are. You're in that groove. You know, just keep doing what you're doing. It's. awesome. And it's inspiring. And more. people are going to do it. And I love. that you want to help more people do it. That's great because the I'm guarantee. you there are these Charlie Crockett out.

there. There's these guys out there that. people haven't heard of before. And then. you see him playing on street corner one. day, you're like, "Where are you from?". Like, how are you doing this? This is. crazy. Yeah. You know, there's people. like that out there in the world. I. remember we went, what was that place. that we went to? We saw Ellis Bullard, the white, what is it called? White. horse. White horse. Yeah. Yeah. And we. were like, look at this [ __ ] guy here. in town, right? Yeah. Nobody there. We. went there last time we were here. We're. planning on going back. We was actually. thinking about trying to swing by there. this evening and see. That was so much. fun last time. Great little spot. So,

there's people like that out there. You. know, they just have to get an audience. Yeah. You know, someone has to, you. know, give them a little boost, reach. back, grab their hand, help them up. Yeah. That's one of the best things. about the comedy community right now is. that we all do that for each other. So, it's like there's a real pathway. So, there's a lot of people that are moving. to Austin from all across the country, you know, that like, hey, I think if I. get there, that's a place where you. could really launch from. What's. powerful about your platforms here like. you and just and all the other people. like you said that are in that network.

is that you this is all stuff that. you've built that you have control over. Like these are. that's what's cool about it is it's like. this sort of new it's a whole new. business that you've kind of got here. like in the comedy world. It's not it's. not owned by anybody or anything. It's. like it's wild and free and chaotic and. it could go anywhere. And that's what's. that's what's exciting to me is like um. dude, like I said, I just don't know. I. just don't know what who knows what'll. even come of what you got going on here. in um in Austin. But this has.

has shaped a lot like in a in a world. where everything is so is so predicted. like there's less and less people able. to sit around in a boardroom in a. skyscraper somewhere and decide what the. next big thing is going to be. It's like. it's more it's I don't know. It's just. it's exciting to be a part of that. despite all the there's so many ways. that you can you can look negatively. about everything going on. But there is. this sort of transfer of power that I. just hope can happen in a we only have a. very short window of time for it to. happen in though. You know, pretty soon.

pretty soon we'll all have a neural link. and we'll be we'll be talking to each. other inep, you know, but we've got a little bit of. time maybe before that. Yeah, maybe. I. think we're the last real people. We're. the last people that knows what it was. like before to understand what's what. like what real life really is. Um, and. it's so hard to even say what that what. that even means. But I just mean that. like even already there's people on. YouTube that that comment on a video. that's AI. Everyone in it AI the whole.

narrative is and it'll have like a. million and like probably half the. people commenting on it are bots too. But I just mean that it's not even like. we're going to be deceived that way. I. think at some point it'll almost somehow. somehow it'll come to a point where we. won't really understand what is real. life or what is digitally artificially. created and it won't even it's not that. we won't even be able to tell the. difference but we won't even care to. tell the difference. The the fake world. will feel more real than the real world. in a short period of time somehow. Like.

it'll it will it'll influence our our. our sensory like it'll it'll it'll. influence that more than real life will. like it'll become just like everything. will just feels I mean it already feels. that way that's why we're so drawn and. all but as it all becomes more realistic. and more creative and more tailored to. to draw us in it will be um just mass. deception this is what's pro it might. have already happened this is what's. really terrifying is the simulation. theory the idea that oh I would be able. to know if it was a simulation would you.

I don't know you know Elon thinks it's a. simulation he thinks the chances of it. not being a simulation are in the. billions. He thinks that this whole thing is. probably our consciousness interacting. with a program, which is very bizarre to think, but if. you keep going with what we're doing. right now, that is inevitable. If you. look at the way technology is recreating. things with AI and making things look. completely realistic and then you you.

extrapolate, you look into the future. 20, 30, 40, 50 years, yeah, they're. going to be able to give you an. experience that's you're not going to. know. So, how do you know if that's. already happened? And maybe that's how. the world actually works. Maybe this. idea of the material world is an. illusion and that everything is your. consciousness interacting. Well, we're. only able to perceive reality through a. limited through limited means. I mean, sight, sound, smell, etc. Like there's. there could be components of reality.

here that we're not able to see. I mean, and that's where like I definitely lean. into recognizing that there is this. whole like I do believe there is this. whole spiritual element at play too. And. I see. Yeah, it's just it's hard to it's just. no there's no way to tell. this it's. kind of like it's funny though because. the same mentality that you could use to. think about the world being a simulation. you could also think about it being I. mean it's so organized and so perfect. that yeah I agree that it's operating on. some program I just think that that. program is being mandated and created by.

by what is represented in my mind as God. or you know Jesus Christ other people. may just be considered like a like a. software or a program but it is all the. same thing obviously there is some like. life is a thing that we don't quite. understand that that finds itself in the. in the midst of so many different parts. of reality like life, like just in the. soil, there's so many different millions. of bacteria that just make it possible. for stuff to even be able to grow. And. all those things are arguably. intelligent and have these organized. systems. And then you see the way birds. fly in the sky and just the way that. like the way that even we have these.

sort of inherent parts programmed into. us. It's just it's. there's really no way to tell. But. what's so funny is that in just a short. period of time, we'll all be forgotten. about anyway, and we'll never really. know. And maybe even this even this. technology that has existed has existed. before and will go away again. It's just. no way to really tell. I think at the. end of the day, like to your point, I. think humanity and the truth within it. is what is all that really exists and. everything else just sort of swirls. about and and we're always wanting to. expand upon what already exists. You.

know, we're not creatures that like. repetition or we like to just always. figure out what the next big thing is, even if it is our demise. You know, it's. weird. We're sort of even if it is our. We're sort of chasing to build these to. build our replacement somehow. I don't. know. Oh, that's a fact. Yeah, we're. definitely doing that. No question at. all. We've already replaced our memory. with your contact list. I mean, how many. numbers I know like three people's phone. numbers. I used to know everyone's phone. number. I used to be able to rattle off. all my friends phone numbers. I used to. be able to call them from a pay phone.

That was how I got a hold of people back. in the day. Now I don't remember. anything. I remember my high school. phone number that I had when I was a. kid. I don't remember my best friend's. phone number. I can remember my best. friend's phone number from high school. He still has it. I'll still text him now. and then and Yeah. But I It's crazy that. you Your contact list has replaced your. memory. It has. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, anytime you have a question, you just press that button on your. phone. Hey, you know what year was this?

You know, what year was Gettysburg? What. year? You know, and you can find. anything instantaneously. And that's. good. But it's also weird because now. you're dependent upon that thing and. you're connected to that thing. That. thing is just going to get more and more. a part of your life whereas you said. before you can't even leave your house. without your phone. You feel weird. Yeah. But that all those resources right. now are used because there is no like. real protocol or way for us to be. necessarily productive with it like like. in a broader spectrum that a lot of.

people just use all those tools and. resources as just endless entertainment. and mind-numbing distraction. But. really, all that stuff is makes us super. powerful if we're able to harness it. correctly. Like I said, like like just. imagine the imagine the information and. the data and the resources that we have. access to that people like kings and. dictators and emperors and the most. powerful people in the world could have. never dreamed. Like we have it just. right here for free on our phone. Like I. think we don't realize how informed we. are in comparison to people in the past. People in the past were extremely naive. about the way things work. just that has.

just been something that we have just. accepted as being normal in the last 20. years. But it's not normal. It's not. normal to know this much about. congressional insider trading, you know, like how do we all know about that now? And how how do we all know that it's. been going on forever and nobody did. anything about it? You know, there's a. lot of things that we know now that make. the people the powers that be very. creeped out. You know, including things. like podcasts. They don't like it at. all. That there's no one that no.

corporate entity pulling the strings. behind the scenes. It's just people and. that some person like a Theo Vaughn or. whoever can have whoever they want on. anytime they want and say whatever they. want. Yeah. And that person might say. some wild [ __ ] that has the internet. scrambling. Is this true? And then they. have to Google it. They don't like that. at all. They don't like that this. affects elections that people realize. like, hey, you're being lied to. Hey, the the FBI contacted Facebook and was. telling them to remove factual. information because it might affect the.

election. Like this is crazy. Like the. stuff that we know now that a lot of. people know now was the stuff of. conspiracy fantasy when I was 20 years. old. But what does it really what does. it mean to us though? because yeah, we. know all that about Facebook, but we all. still use Facebook like like it's um I. think that now. our our ability to communicate has. become so contingent upon these.

platforms that we know they're no good. for us. We know they harvest our data. and they all the terrible things that. are associated with them, but we still. it's like where else where else but. Facebook Marketplace can you find all. these sweet, you know, I mean that's. like you don't have to get totally. influenced by it though. more you're. aware they're influencing you, the less. effect it has on you. You know, the more. you're aware of the magic trick, you're. like, "Oh, that rabbit's up his sleeve.". There's just a connectivity that we. can't find elsewhere. So, there's this. void that we have like we have to use it. to fill the void, I guess, is what I. mean. Like, maybe through like that's.

why I really want to try doing um I've. had two or three people really pushing. me heavy to try to do jiu-jitsu, but. that's something where like it's the. it's like the community and the. relationships you get out of it that's. just important maybe than the practice. of itself. like the I don't know that's. the way it's been like maybe in those. sort of circles you do get that but you. just don't get it in a you know there's. not a lot of broad ways to get it now. but jiu-jitsu is definitely a way to do. it. It's also a way where you get out. all of your aggression in a very healthy. way in a cooperative way. You're doing. it with other people that are your.

friends. And the beautiful thing about. jiu-jitsu sparring as opposed to like. when I was kickboxing like you kind of. resented your sparring partners. They're. [ __ ] you up, you know? They're. they're rocking you. Whereas in. jiu-jitsu, even if someone taps you a. lot, you you're still their friend. You. know, you realize like, oh, you got and. they'll tell you, you can't you can't do. that with the right arm. The right arm. has to stay tied to your chest because. otherwise once it's exposed. What I'm. trying to do is get you to do that so I. can go to the other side. Like, oh, okay, let's try it again. I'll show I'll. show a guy. And when you do that with.

people, you're you're helping your. friend beat you next time. But that's. the way to get better. Like, you know, Eddie Bravo taught me that a long time. ago. He goes, "The more you teach people. to catch you in the stuff that you do, the more people you you'll be able to. get it in people that even know it's. coming. You'll be able it'll sharpen. that technique up even more. If you can. get people that know what you're doing. and you tell them what you're doing, you. can still do it." Like Hicks and Grace. used to tell people, "I'm going to get. you in an arm bar in your right arm.". You're like, "The [ __ ] you are." And he. would still get it.

But he was so much better than everybody. that he would do that on purpose. And. there's a a beautiful thing about. learning something that's very difficult. that prepares you for life. Also, the. other beautiful thing about jiu-jitsu in. terms of your mental health is that it's. so difficult to do that it makes regular. life easy and regular conflict seems to. be silly. Like sometimes people get like. super nervous if two people are just. yelling at each other and you think a. fight might break up. If you're like so. used to strangling people, that's like.

totally normal. Like, oh, you guys get a. fight. Like you see that in this you see. that in some of the videos that go. around where somebody will get like. broken into like they're and it's like. the security footage like I'm trying to. think there was one that went around. recently. Um like some guy was trying to. break into a UFC fighter truck and he. went out there and just like kicked his. ass. I think that was it. Yeah. He tried. to car jack Justin Gate and he beat the. [ __ ] out of him. Yeah. The guy did that. with Jon Jones. Jon Jones ran out with a. shotgun and a [ __ ] Belgian Malam. Like that's the wrong dude to break into. his house. He's ready. And Sean.

Strickland. That was another one. Sean. ran off. That's who I was thinking of. was pistol. Yeah, I was thinking of that. one. I think Yeah, there's there's a lot. of You could [ __ ] with the wrong dude. And that happens that there's there's a. lot of those wrong dudes out there now. There's so many people that are training. in martial arts now. You never know. Like if you're picking a fight with. someone and you don't know how to fight, you are rolling the dice. Those dudes. are a lot scarier in real life than on. TV, too. Like I finally got to meet I. met I've met Brock Lesnar a couple times. now. I've just ran into him randomly and. just like the size of his hands, you're.

just like, "God, like what?" Like where. did this guy come? He's just like a. machine, you know? He's a Viking. That's. 100% Viking DNA. 100%. But I don't know. the ex. There's no exercise I'm aware of. that like makes your fist twice the size. of a normal man. But he's just like. Yeah. He's just like, you see his. daughter? Yeah. His daughter's a shot. put champion. Like jeez Louise, she's a. tank. Yeah. That's just pure Viking. genetics, man. Those were the people at. the front of the boat with the big. battle axe. when you saw that boat pull. up to your village, you knew you better.

start running to those mountains. My. god, I can't I just can't imagine having. to get in the ring with a guy like that. and like know you got to just like go. like good luck. I know. You know, imagine the guys beat him, too. That's. what's even crazier. Guys beat his ass. You know, Alistar Overin beat his ass. Kane Velasquez beat his ass. There's. guys better than him, which is really. He's always a bigger fish. Yeah. Yeah. And Kane wasn't even bigger. Kane was a. bad [ __ ] He was like 240. He. was like 25 pounds lighter than Brock. and he still beat his ass. Who in who in. fighting right now is exciting you like.

coming up into it? Like who's there so. many guys? There's so many man. Did you. watch Morab's last fight last weekend? Barav Dwish William Sea Ali. That guy is. insane. He's insane. His cardio is like. something to that everyone who has been. involved in the sport for as long as I. have is blown away by it. The guy's a. freak. Daniel Cormier went to visit him. after he won the title. He he won the. title Saturday night at the Sphere in.

Vegas. Beat Shaun Ali. Dominant five. round decision. Just steamrololled him. The next day Daniel Cormier goes to. visit him. He's out running. Yeah. I. mean, doesn't stop. Yeah. Doesn't stop. just this guy from Georgia from this, you know, war torn country who is just. embraces that [ __ ] grind at a level. that nobody else can compete with. And. when he gets in the ring, like no one. can match his cardio, no one can match. his pace. He melts the greatest of the.

greats. You see guys like Umar. Nurmagamedov who's elite. He's world. class. Like in any other time he would. be a world champion. And Morab's just. overwhelming him. You see him just. getting overwhelmed by the pace and. Morab doesn't even get tired. He's a. freak. So he's train he's probably. trained in Georgia most of his life. then. Do you think that gives him an. advantage like he's been he's trained in. like sort maybe his fighting style or is. it just like is he doing the same type. of fighting but just better you think? Or is it just that they can't see the. evolution of his his technique? So a lot.

of it is in America. So it's just his. mindset and his his drive. And I think. some of it, you know, Farasah Hobby did. a whole video about him saying it needs. to be studied in a lab. Farasah Hobby, who runs Tristar in Montreal, it's like. one of the greatest gyms of all time. And he's one of the best minds ever in. the history of MMA. And he's blown away. by this guy. He's like there's guys that. are on EPO, which is like uh you know, that's the cyclist take that makes you. have more blood cells and it makes you. have more cardio, but it's you can have.

a [ __ ] stroke. It's like super. dangerous to take. But that's like a lot. of the like tour to France guys get. busted for that kind of [ __ ] Some. fighters get busted. He's like guys that. I know that have been on EPO don't have. that kind of cardio. This is crazy. cardio. This is like something freakish. And he's like he he thinks some of it's. genetic, but Morab says it's not. Morab. says, "No, you still get tired. I used. to get tired." But he's just I mean he's. a freak. He's a freak. And he just keeps. getting better with his technique. He. gets better with everything. His that. drive is not just for his cardio. That.

drive is for his whole skill set. So, he's a [ __ ] monster. And then Ilia. Tapora, who's fighting Charles Olivera. at the end of the month. Like, that guy. is insane. That guy's knocked out two of. the greatest featherweights of all time. Vulcanowski and Max Holloway. Nobody. could knock those guys out in. featherweight before. And he did it. And. he did it. And he made it look easy, you. know? He made it look like they like. he's just on another level from. everybody, you know? And then now he's. moving up to 155 pounds. He's like. decided he cleared out that division. He's moving up. Like he's insane. Insane. There's guys like that that are.

just so they're just they're their level. is above everybody else's level. And. with Ilia, it's everything. It's his. submissions, his kicks, his punches, everything. He does he can do anything. I mean, he does everything perfect. All. his technique is perfect and he's. [ __ ] driven and ultra confident. You. know, this is an amazing time for the. sport, man. It's a It's a crazy time. because these guys that are coming in. with like one fight in the UFC, they. look like world class contenders like. right away. Yeah. Well, it's cool. because it seems like it's it's like a.

really it's a really good way to get. like obscure people into the spotlight. Like it doesn't seem it seems like if. you can just go in there and fight good. that you it's like you can really work. your way up to the top pretty quick, I. guess. Like I guess it it does take some. fights, but like if you're even if. you're like the guys that are in the top. at the UFC now, how many fights do you. think it takes them before they wreck? Like how many big wins is it really just. a win or two? I guess if they're big. enough and they're like it really. depends entirely on their skill set and. who they're fighting and how good they.

are when they get into the organization. Like the best example of a quick rise to. the top is Alex Pereira. But Alex. Pereira is one of the greatest. kickboxers of all time. And Alex Pereira. went entered into the UFC like a lot of. people were completely unaware of him. And me as a a giant kickboxing fan, he. was the guy that I was like when this. [ __ ] comes over here bodies are. going to drop, man. I'm telling you, you. ain't never seen nothing like. And I. remember Daniel Cormier saying to me. like, "Really?" I'm like, "Dude, I'm. telling you." I was pointing to him on.

his in his debut. I go, "That's the. [ __ ] That's the boogeyman of. boogeymen." I go, "He knocks people into. orbit." I was showing him some videos of. kickboxing fights and he was like, "Holy. shit." I go, "Dude, everybody he. touches, he's got the touch of death.". And then we start steamrolling people in. the UFC and he knocked out Strickland in. one round and the the the opening fight. that he had when he hit that dude with a. flying knee and just sent him into orbit. and everybody's like woof. I'm like, "Yeah, dude. This guy is scary.".

So that guy was within three years was a. two division world champion, which is. just nuts. Like nobody's done that. before. And you know, defended the light. heavyweight title multiple times in just. a few years. and he's only really been. fighting MMA for like five or six years. That's the excitement I think of MMA. over other athletics maybe is just the. unpredictability of it that like anybody. can just come in and catch everybody off. guard and you just don't ever know. It's. just Yeah. Well, it's specialists. So, the thing about specialists is if you're.

a specialist kickboxer, what you really. need is someone to teach you how to. fight on the ground like and he had. Glover Terara who was also a former UFC. light heavyweight champion, one of the. greatest and an amazing technician. and. Glover helped him along with all his. other training partners avoid the. takedowns, learn how to fight off, learn. how to fight on the ground, learn how to. get back up to your feet. When you got a. guy who's the best of the best. kickboxers, every fight starts standing. up. So, while you're standing there with. him, it's just you got to get that guy.

to the ground. You got to get that guy. to the ground. This is terrifying. And. he he'll fight with broken toes. He. fought he's fought so [ __ ] up before. He fought uh when when he fought Yuri. Prohaskca the first time, he had a. completely blown out knee. Like his knee. wouldn't support him. He knocked Yuri. Paskca out with a left hook and then he. got his knee fixed. Came back, fought. him again, and iced him in the second. round. And he's just different, man. He. fought this last fight with a broken. hand and he had uh Noro virus. Oh my.

god. And still lost a close decision in. the fifth round. Maybe it almost Yeah, it almost help like almost helps him. like that. Nah, it doesn't. It. definitely doesn't. You could tell his. energy was lower in that last fight than. it has been in the past. Like the Khalil. Roundtree fight was a [ __ ]. masterclass and Khalil is like one of. the best strikers in the light. heavyweight division and Alex just. pieced them apart. I think about what. happens to what happens after their. careers are finished. Like what do they. where do they direct all of that energy. to or does it or does it is it difficult.

when you're does it does it is difficult. when you're a high level fighter and. then you get out of it like Oh, it's so. difficult. Your whole identity is. wrapped up in it. You know, I just. messaged Sean Strickland the other day. because I saw that he was talking about. his investments and that he's he's got. he's got 4 million in investments and. he's doing really well. And then, you. know, he's got a plan. Like Sean is very. intelligent. He's wild and crazy. He. says crazy [ __ ] but very intelligent. and I was very happy. I imag. like you're really thinking about like. having money in the bank, retirement,

investment, so you're good. You're good. forever. and he'll always be able to do. seminars and and things along those. lines. People, it's very valuable to be. like a former champion. You could visit. gyms and people will line up and pay 50. bucks and you can teach them things. that'll genuinely help their careers. So. that a lot of guys have a a thing like. Misha P. She was just in Austin recently. and she uh she went to Ways to Well to. get uh some work done on her knee and. she was out here doing seminars. So. she's traveling with her family around.

the country and they'll go and she'll. teach a seminar at a gym and then. they'll go, you know, on an RV trip, you. know, nice family time. Yeah. Have a. good time in between, but they can make. a lucrative living doing that, which is. really nice, you know, but it's it's. hard for them. The identity thing is. very Well, I just wonder too like the it. seems like some of those people are um. well, you know, this is totally. different than MMA fighters, but I look. at like like a great example is like. like that David Gogggins type of thing. where they're like just at it like you. said, dude, man, like you fight and the.

next day you're able to go run. It's. just like what happens when all that. slows down? Do you redirect that. somewhere? Do you think it's difficult? like if you don't have somewhere to dis, you know, you found this really. effective way to displace all of this. because obviously those people have got. something in them that like drives their. spirit to be able to do that. Well, I. think George St. Pierre has the. healthiest model because George still. trains almost every day and George still. comes to Austin to train with the Donna. and Gordon Ryan and all all these elite. jiu-jitsu guys and he'll still go to. Thailand and train Muay Thai. He's a.

genuine martial artist. Maybe he stopped. before he destroyed himself too much. He. definitely did. He definitely did. He's. in good. He definitely did. Do you think. those guys will ever come back like like. a I know there was rumors about do you. think they would ever do you think for. them that it would be beneficial for. them to come back and fight once they've. been out of it for so long like like the. Tyson fight and stuff was that that. seemed like and I don't even know that's. a whole another can of worms and I don't. I'm not articulate enough in this space. to like give my opinions on things but I. just I would have liked to seen Mike.

Tyson just I don't know just seemed like. that just wasn't it didn't seem like he. enjoyed that coming back. I bet he. enjoyed the 20 million bucks. I think. that's why he did it. I think he did it. for money. And I'm happy that he could. do it for money. I'm happy that he can. make a large amount of money doing. something like that. That's all I'll say. about that. But you're not supposed to. be getting hit really hard in the head. when you're 57 or 58 years old. It's. probably not the best thing for your. your health. And at a certain point in. time, like I kind of stopped kickboxing. for the most part when I was like 30. I.

was like, "This is just not good for. you." you know, I I was still sparring. and I was I was acting at the time. So, I was doing news radio and I was still. going to the gym and kickboxing and you. know, sometimes I'd have like a little. black eye that I have to get touched up. with makeup and [ __ ] before I go out to. the like and I kept doing jiu-jitsu, but. jiu-jitsu I would get black eyes in. jiu-jitsu sometimes, too. But jiu-jitsu. didn't I didn't get my head rattled the. same way. Like, you still accidentally. catch a knee sometimes and or you.

headbutt each other sometimes. something. elbow stuff happens, but it's not like. the constant jabs to the face and kicks. to the body and you just get you you're. beating your brain up, you know, and. it's just not good for you at a certain. point in time. Like if you're an athlete. and you're competing professionally, you. manage it. You do your best to recover. and take care of your health. But. there's a there's a price you pay and I. don't think you should pay that price if. you don't have to, you know, and that's. what that's the thing about sparring.

that's like d especially if you're. sparring with someone who's like a hard. hitter and they they're not that good at. pulling punches and then it gets. competitive and next thing you know. you're you're basically fighting full on. fighting somebody. Happens all the time. Happens all the time. Happens in a lot. of gyms. It happens more often than not. You're actually fighting rather than. sparring. you're just lucky you're not. knocking each other unconscious every. day, you know, because it's like your. skill. But there's there's something to. be said for that if you're fighting. because like you got to be aware that. there's real consequences to these. shots. And if someone's pity patting you. in sparring, maybe you'll develop a.

false sense of security, you know, and. someone crack you. You got to be on the. edge all the time. Like Ferasa Hab, who. I was talking about earlier, would pay. sparring partners to try to knock George. St. Pierre out. He would pay them. I. want you to try to knock him out like. for real. Because he wanted George to be. like really prepared. you know, you're. going in there and you, you know, you're. gonna fight some [ __ ] killer. You. know, you you can't be kind of half. you're, you know, you're you're fighting. Carlos Condor. He's gonna try to take. your head off. You got to be training. with guys that are trying to take your. head off. Yeah. When they're in the.

middle of those fights, is it a lot of. muscle memory or are they consciously. thinking like I feel like a lot of it. it's they've trained so much that it's. more automatic, right, when they get in. that fight like like like like the way. you see these slow these slow motion. replays of fights and they're able to. like almost predict their opponent's. move and like react in real time with it. and like just use it to their advantage. That's all sort of almost it's not. involuntary, but they've like trained. their muscle memory to react that way, I. guess, more so than them. Yeah, so.

having to like think like, oh, here it. comes. I'm going to, you know, it's just. so incredible to watch it. Like the way. it's sometimes those fights are so good. They almost like it's almost like. choreographed. It's so good the way. they're able to like use their. opponent's movements and to their own. advantage and stuff. That's what's so so. crazy to me watching the just watching. how like a human being can get to that. level to where they're so good, you when. someone's at the elite level, like the. highest of high levels, it's an amazing. thing to watch. Like, there's a guy. who's defending his flyweight title um.

at the end of June, Aleandre Pantosia. He's one of the best fighters of all. time. I mean, he's so [ __ ] good, but. he's 125 pounds. So, people, you know, they don't appreciate him as much as if. that guy was 170, he would be a [ __ ]. superstar. He's so good. He's so good. everywhere. Elite black belt on the. ground. nasty striking, hyperaggressive, just dominant, just comes in, he has. this look in his eyes like, I'm here to. [ __ ] you up. And it's awesome to watch.

I mean, he he's like when a guy reaches. the pinnacle of his career, like when. he's at the height of his powers, when. he's at the peak of his his performance. and career and as a elite MMA fighter, it's something to behold, man. It really. is. When you watch a guy just piece a. guy up and take him apart, you're like, god damn, you know? I I never get bored. with it. Never. Never get bored calling. the fights. Never get bored. Like when. when I know it's a UFC night, I'm like, "Oh, baby, here we go." It still get It.

still gets you excited just like it did. at the beginning. Yeah. And and Daniel. Cormier, who was a two division world. champion who's sitting next to me. He. gets fired up. I mean, he's like. grabbing my shoulders. Oh man, we Here. we go. Here we go. We get so fired up. and it's, you know, as far as excitement. generated, I think it's the most. exciting thing in the world. I don't. think there's anything like two people. trying to figure each other out. Yeah. You know, I mean, and then when. someone's in that flow state, it's. amazing thing to watch. It's beautiful. when they really hit that flow state and. they just everything is just perfect.

It's like, oh man, that's so hard to get. there. It's like an art form that you. really can only truly appreciate if you. understand the amount of effort that it. took to get to that point. If you could. do a little bit of it, you can do it. somewhat. You know, you have to be able. to do some martial arts to really. appreciate what they're doing. You know, you can see someone kick somebody in the. head like, "Wow, that's crazy." But to. really know how hard it is to pull off. what he did, it's just like, damn. It's. easy. It's easy to watch world star hip. hop where they're just like sucker.

punching each other. But to watch a guy. exhibit that kind of skill on somebody. else knowing that like and not even. knowing like I said just meeting like. the the few UFC fighters that I've met. and stuff just looking at him and being. like gosh dude like these dudes are just. animals you know like to start and then. to watch somebody else be able to. exhibit that kind of just to kind of. like unleash that kind of skill on them. is just you're right there. It's such a. raw It unlocks such a it unlocks that. sort of monkey part of our brain that's. just like yeah you know your DNA man. It's hard to Yeah. It's just such a such.

a human thing, I guess. But yeah, like. when people are really into cricket and. someone scores in cricket, they get. excited. I don't give a [ __ ] But if. somebody kicks somebody in the head, everybody knows what happened. Everybody. understands it. That's the I think that. that's the same psychology behind. chicken fighting, which is surprisingly. prevalent. Um like where we recorded. this song and all that still, but like. with the it's kind of the same like that. that's just that's what they do up. there. They don't hit each other. They. just get chickens and do it and they. gamble. That's the big thing is gambling. on chicken fights. New York roosters. Oh.

yeah, it's a big deal up there. Yeah. I. was just telling a story the other day. about uh this guy that was my landscaper. that that took me to this Mexican. neighborhood that he lived in and his. buddy had all these chickens like in. cages like all over the place. He had. these roosters and they had a big pit. where they would roast goats and they. would just get the chickens out, put. them in the box and gamble. And it was. like I was explaining like you want to. talk about like integrated societies. This was a completely Mexican. neighborhood in LA. Like none of the. signs are in English. Everything is in.

Spanish. Everybody spoke Spanish. Wow. You go down the street, you hear. there's [ __ ] roosters everywhere, man. But it's like that that's a part of. their culture. It's cruel and awful, but. so is chicken farming, you know? They make soup out of the chickens after. they have them fight each other. It's. kind of [ __ ] up, but it's the it's. that same sort of like um it's the same. it goes back to like the coliseum. It's. that same kind of thing. Like it's that. part of our brain that like everybody's. got some chase to get there. But yeah,

I've always wondered that with the. fighters. I've The worst is dog. fighting. Yeah, that's the one I you. know, that one makes my stomach turn, right? That one bothers me because they. like fighting. They really do. Pit bulls. love it. They're they're fighting. They're biting each other in the face. and wagging their tails. They really. enjoy it, but it's like, God, don't do. that. Don't do that. You just like, we. don't want that. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Maybe it's when it's something you eat, you don't feel so bad about it. But when. it's a dog, it's like I just love dogs. way too much, man. That that to me, you.

know, and I know the dog wants to do it, which is even more [ __ ] up, you know? They want to fight, but they're bred for. it. That's what's so crazy. People are. so psycho. They bred a dog that wants to. fight all the time and will fight. anything. They'll fight bulls. They used. to use them to grab bowls. Yeah. Yeah. They're nutty dogs, man. Well, you know, where I was at in Virginia, we had um I. Yeah. I was I don't know if I'd say we. were officially dating or not. I kind of. was hoping we were, but I was there was. this girl I used to talk to a lot in. middle school and they um you know, they.

weren't they didn't live too far away. from Michael Vick's place when all that. went down. So, she actually had some. puppies that were originally they never. fought. They were still puppies when he. got busted, but they were some of Vick's. dogs that she had. I remember as a kid. and that was like yeah that I remember. when all that went down I didn't live. you know we weren't relatively that far. away from where all that happened but. that was a real eye opening experience. for a lot of people they're like wait. like what that guy's doing that that's. crazy but I'm the same way I I have I.

dogs and humans are like at the same. level of importance to me almost you. know like um I finally I didn't it's not. a not in any way to say replace but just. like for me I've always I'm used to. having three or four dogs around cuz. once you train if you train a couple. dogs real good and you get a couple more. nine times out of 10 they'll just learn. everything from you kind of get this. pack mentality and so I've had four for. forever and then I had gotten down to. two when I lost Hooch the white shepherd. so I finally just got this black German. shepherd off this lady who was real. really nice lady and it wasn't she.

didn't necessarily neglect the dog but. the dog was just a breeders's dog so all. she did was just have puppies with it. and so like here I am I'm taking this. 5-year-old black German shepherd down. like to go swimming in the creek with us. and stuff and like it was like her first. time stepping on a stick, you know? She. stepped on a stick and like jumped. completely in the air like she didn't. know what it, you know, now within two. weeks now she's like swimming in the. creek with them and running all around. and she acts like she's a farm dog. But. like this dog had just kind of been in. this lady's front yard for years I guess. and just didn't hadn't even gotten to. But to me it's like here I am. like ra.

it's like you know they're like they're. my children you know they just I don't I. can't I can't separate a dog and a human. in level of import you know it's like. that like you're like it's like that. that theoretical scenario where the. train's coming and you got to figure out. which way to switch the tracks and it's. like elderly people or dogs and you're. like I don't know what I'm Yeah. But I'm. with you. I love I'm a Yeah. I just love. I love dogs. I like people more than. dogs but I love dogs. Yeah. But yeah, people are more important to me. But. it's close. It's close. There's some.

people that I would kill for my dog. Hey, while I'm here, I'm going to go. pick up Poppy or whatever is I got. I. wish I would have um I wish I would have. saved him on there. I think his name was. Poppy or Buddy or something, but that. little Chihuahua at the Humane Society. I got to go pick him in. I might I don't. know. He's really goofy. Why not, man? Take him. He's like 12 years old or. something. So, he just needs somewhere. to go, you know? Well, you'll give him. the last few years of his life. Be. awesome. Oh, and then you'll be telling. all the other people. Oliver Anthony. came and got me. Yeah, the rich man from. Richmond guy. What a sweetheart. Yeah.

Hey, he likes me more than people. Yeah. Well, this is exciting. I I um the. mothership and just being able to go in. there and do music and stuff is going to. be nuts. I've got a few like I brought. um I got a friend of mine named Craig. who's like one of my buddies growing up. who does just like amateur st he's. really funny guy. So, I got him doing a. little bit and um I've got Hickok 45 son. John who he does uh comedy in Chicago. right now. He's going to do a little. standup thing there. and just it'll just. be fun. I'm just it'll be real cool. I.

got the guys that opened for me, the. Davidson Brothers, they're going to do a. couple songs. They're real they're. really good and just um I don't know. I've been this has been like through all. the stress and chaos of the last however. many months of things going on and stuff. being rearranged and all. This has been. like my beacon that I've held on to of. like we just got to get to the mother. ship and then everything will work out, you know? And well, we've been really. looking forward to having you. Everyone. and the staff, all the comics are real. pumped. Everybody's excited. I just. couldn't believe the reception I got. Like even when I came with Tom that. first time, just how everybody sort of.

took me in like like I don't know. I'm. just sort of the Well, also a lot of. people don't even know who I am because. all they've seen of me is like just the. internet stuff and all the political. stuff. And so it was really surprising. the first time even when we went to that. mothership how I don't know just. everybody there just was like very. respectful and like and it just kind of. like welcomed me with open arms. I kind. of I thought I was going in there like. really like kind of an outsider and it. was way more receptive than I've ever. been in Nashville, you know, like with.

music people. Yeah. They just I don't. know. Like William Montgomery and all. those guys were just so so nice and so. um just like you know, you know they're. funny and they can make you laugh up on. stage, but even in person they're all. just like really good people. Like. they're all just really genuinely good. people, you know? Yeah, we got a great. tribe. Yeah, it's a great tribe. And the. the the whole mentality of the club is. like that. Like everybody that's there. is cool, you know? We've really I think. in comedy comedy still there's a lot of. struggle in comedy for people to make.

it. I think even more so than in music. like that some of those people were. telling me stories about like how tough. it is to go out, you know, trying to. make a make trying to make a career out. of comedy. Like I guess unless you get a. big Netflix special or you get a big. break, like it's paycheck to paycheck. for a long time maybe for some of those. guys. Like until they get or until they. get to where they're like a a regular at. a big club like that, you're just you're. just off, you know, you're out you're. out putting yourself into a very. vulnerable position a lot where people. can just say, "Ah, screw that guy." You. know, it's just But you have to do that. to get good at it. But I think I think.

they have some appreciation for it that. maybe other people don't. Like they're. like it like I think that's I I pick up. on that. like they get this they get. that everybody in there is struggling. trying to make it and have put a lot of. their heart and effort into it and it. just seems like it's there's a lot of. respect in there for each for everybody. and stuff. Yeah, 100%. Everybody. realizes that there's only one way to do. it. You got to work hard for a long. time. That's the only way. It's one of. the few things in life that there's no. shortcut to to developing material and. getting good at standup. It's a 10-year.

process. You It's a 10-year degree. you. want to actually become a real standup, it's probably about 10 years. 10 years. of grinding. And for a lot of people. like, "Oh, that's too long." It is too. long. Yeah. That's why most people don't. do it. Yeah. But if you could do it, the. people that are doing it and have been. doing it for like 10 plus years, like. all those people hanging out in the. green room, they're all so cool. It's a. lot like jiu-jitsu in that regard. It's. like people that appreciate the. difficulty of something and are really. obsessed with getting better at it, you. know, and obsessed with helping other. people get better at it, too. Because.

also like jiu-jitsu, the more people. that you have around you that are really. funny, the funnier you'll get. Everybody. has to be sharp because the whole show. like sometimes I'll do these Joe Rogan. and Friends show and it's [ __ ] Asana, Brian Simpson, Tony Hinchcliffe, Shane. Gillis, Mark Norman, and then I go up. like it's like the show's an hour and a. half old before I even get on stage. Yeah. So it's like you have to stay. sharp. You have And if you're not, you. got to pick up the slack. You got to. figure it out. Get back to the laptop. Let's go. You got to rewrite. Do this.

do that. But, uh, that's what we're all. doing. You know, we're all It's a It's a. vibrant place that there's the there's a. mindset attached to that place. It's. very positive. Yeah. That makes me real. happy and I'm real happy that you're. going to be there this weekend. Yeah. I. think this mothership thing's got a long. future ahead of it in that sense of like. just reshaping. I don't know. I just. It's like a It is kind of a beacon right. now in a like I don't know. It's like. there's a big light shining up in the. sky and every that's kind of where. everybody's looking. It seems like in. that, you know, it's a and even with.

Kill Tony, it's just cool that they. That's the coolest part about that is. that like you can just go right in. there. Anybody can go right in there and. give it their all, you know, for better, for worse, but you might make it. Look, you might be William Montgomery, you. know, you might be Cam Patterson, you. might be Hans Kim or any of these people. that have like legitimate careers now. because of that show. It's pretty. awesome. Oliver Anthony this weekend. Sorry everybody, it's all sold out. you're not going to be able to get in, but uh I'm [ __ ] pumped. I can't wait. Yeah, I was going to say thank you for.

being here, man. And thanks for the. podcast. It was a lot of fun. I really. enjoyed it very much. It's and it's. great to see you find your place, man. You you're getting it. You got it. You. know, like you're you're here now. You're established. In the beginning, you're like, "What the [ __ ] is. happening?" But now you're like, you got. a plan. You're moving. It was so many. pitfalls and so many things, but it's a. it's a cont. the contribution of I'd say. you know like at the very beginning you. Jamie Johnson David Kushner and just a. couple people who were like had been in. it for a while and were able to well. with David you know he was fairly recent. but we were both but just those people.

just being able to guide me along at the. the first six months was when I could. have really slipped up hard and like. could have just I just was so thankful. that I got through all that without. being married to anybody or any company. like at least everything's still No, you. did it the right way. Yeah, you did it. the right way. So, I appreciate the. confidence there because it's a. terrifying. It is. Man, you've been. going to you've been going to work every. day for some guy that you hate and some. job you hate for so long for like 50. grand a year and then some some dude is.

like showing you like, you know, like. and they have a really convincing way of. doing it. It's just like think about how. easy you can get prayed into buying some. [ __ ] used car on a lot. These people are. like that, but like they're like they're. like the professional UFC fighters of. psychological warfare. like they're. going to make you feel like you're so. stupid and that like you've just tricked. everybody for 5 minutes and you better. you better do it while it lasts. But and. if you don't come with us, it's never. going to make it. You're never going to. make it. But you were right. They were. wrong. Haha. And I don't care if. nothing, like I said, if nothing else. ever comes of this. This has been just.

such a blessing to be able to just meet. all the people I have and experienced. it. And like it's just cool, man. I. don't care. I don't care where else. where it goes from here. I'm I'm just. totally I'm just enamored by it all. It's just been um just another dimension. I'm living in, dude. I don't know. It's. like not real life, but it's beautiful. Yeah. All right. Thanks for being here. Yes, sir. Thank you. Maybe in a couple. more years. [ __ ] yeah. A couple months. [ __ ] it. All right. Bye, everybody. Later. [Music].