Joe Rogan Experience #2327 - AJ Gentile

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe. Rogan podcast by night. All. day forever. We're doing this. Yes. I'm glad you brought. You did not have to do that. I. appreciate it. I love your. channel, dude. I've spent countless. hours watching your hilarious videos. So. cool that you've even found it. Well,

you know, Gino told me about it a long. Your brother Gino, who I've been friends. with for years, told me about it a long. time ago that you guys were doing this. and I was like, really? All right, interesting. And then I watched I'm. like, this is great. It's right. up my alley. You would show clips all. the time and it would drive Gino nuts. And then finally it it got named Reggie. Watts was here and he's like, "You ever. hear the Walls? You guys are talking. about moonlanding shit." And you're. like, "What's that?" And uh I don't. know, a week or two later, Gina gets a.

text. Are you the Y files? He didn't. tell me the name of it. He was so. excited. Yeah, it's a great show, dude. It's like everything I'm fascinated by. Anunnaki, aliens, secret bases. How did. you get involved with making a show like. this? Is this something you've always been. interested in? Alway. Yes. There he is. There he is. I mean, the goat. The goat. Um, dad was an overnight cop, so always.

overnight radio. So, it was always Dr. Dementoto. Yes, you remember him? And. and Art Bell. So, kind of grew up with. the weird stories. And it just got in. the Twilight Zone. We watched as kids. It was like required watching from dad. in the old black and whites, the. classics. So, that was always in there. So, um I'll I'll skip 20 years. Uh we. had a a podcasting studio in LA on. Sunset. We were doing pretty well. uh. hosting a lot of shows. Guys, you knew. like when COVID hit, Kill Tony came and. worked out of our studio. Jeremiah,

Mezer, all all the guys didn't make any. money, but it was a cool setup. But then. they lock down the city. impossibly and uh we didn't really know. what to do. Then they set fire to the. city somehow and uh the wife and I are. racing down Hollywood Boulevard being. chased by people with bats and and boxes. of Adidas. And uh we were like, "This is. this went this is too much." and we just. started packing and that's it. We got. out and I didn't know what to do. So, um, you know, I've been working in.

showbiz, not super successfully, like on. the cusp, but I've been a professional. host, editor, producer, writer for TV. So, I was like, YouTube, easy. I'm a. natural. So, I started the channel. talking about science and weird stuff. And it was the hardest thing I ever did. It was it was like impossible to do. Um, and I started out like following all the. consultants. High energy, smash the. like, be a YouTuber, top 10 list. And I. did that for a little while. It's like, ah, no one's watching. This feels.

stupid. And then I just I said, "Fuck. it. Let me just talk about the I. want to talk about." So I I think I The. first like good one was Operation High. Jump. You know, Admiral Bird goes down. to Antarctica with a with a armed fleet. supposedly looking for a Nazi UFOs and. it's a six-month mission and in like a. few days they have to turn back and it's. crazy stuff. So, I did that story and it. got a you know I think I got 50,000. views. I don't think I saw that one. It's an old one. What happened in.

Operation High Jump? All right. Admiral. Bird goes down. This is just after the. war. Remember the Nazis were were. fleeing to South America. So, mostly. Argentina. So, um, the Nazis had. established or tried to establish a base. in Antarctica. That's true. It's, uh, new Schwaban land. Now, people say they. were trying to build a Nazi base and all. that stuff. They were really just. looking for a whailing station to get. oil. So, Hitler didn't want to rely on. outside sources. So, anyway, after the. war, they go down there. We still don't. really know specifically why. It was.

supposed to be just to see how our. aircraft would operate in cold weather. That was what they said. But this was a. fleet that was armed to the teeth. Like. super like armed. The first helicopters. were there, destroyers. So they go down. there. It's supposed to be a multi a. multi-month mission, maybe six months. They get down there and in like a matter. of weeks, maybe even fewer, they just. they just bail. And uh no one really. knows why. There's a press contingent.

there. No one knows what's going on. And. Admiral Bird starts giving these weird. interviews. And the first one was in. Spanish. It might have been a either. Argentinian or Brazilian newspaper. And. he talks about how there could be these. craft that attack the United States from. the polls and craft that can fly pole to. pole. And people were like, "What is. what's that?" And just sparked this. crazy stuff. And you can hear him. talking about these things. So high jump. goes down there to look for stuff. We.

don't really know why they left. Admiral. Bird was talking about these crafts. Admiral Richard Eird is famous guy. Flew. the North Pole like a super badass. He. was on paper the the commanding officer, but he preferred to just fly his plane. and do stuff. So the legend is they get. down there, Admiral Bird takes his. plane, starts flying across Antarctica. and sees patches of green. He doesn't. can't believe it. And he's and he's on. the radio saying, "I'm seeing this.

rolling hills, sun is shining. He keeps. flying. It gets greener and greener and. then he's like, "I just saw woolly. mammoths." Woolly mammoths grazing in. the green and he keeps going and he's on. the radio and then he's talking. I'm. seeing all this stuff. The sun is bright. and then radio contact goes out. He's. flying and flying. Suddenly he's. engulfed in light and he doesn't know. where he is. The the green is behind. him. He's just flying in light just. trying to get his bearings. And then up. beside him, two flying saucers just kind. of next to him. Almost like, you know,

the F F-16s trying to wave you down. Two. flying saucers. And he looks over and. they have swastikas is on him. And he's. like, uhoh. So he's on the stick and he. feels the stick shaking and then the. stick just goes dead and then he goes. down with the UFOs and they just land. into a cavern in the hollow earth. Right. So that's how that happens. And. they take Admiral Bird out and they're. tall aliens. The nor like with swastikas. on their crafts on the crafts like the.

ancient symbol. I don't know. Which. would be reversed, right? Well, I think. there was a bunch of different versions. I think the Nazi one it was like kind of. tilted. Yes. But there was a bunch of. the Hindu ones and a lot of the Japanese. ones for thousands of years. Yeah. A. positive symbol of life and prosperity. We don't know how they were oriented. because I debunked all this. I'm telling. you the legend, right? Because that's. kind of my format, right? I get I get.

you excited. Would you explain that to. people? You get everybody all jazzed up. and then at the end you kind of I get so. much heat for it. Yeah. It's fun. Um and. I watch the numbers like as soon as I. say, "But is it true?" Like everyone's. done. Nobody wants to know the truth. Nobody wants to know. They want to know. fun. And then I'll get the hate mail. You ruined it for me. So what is the. truth? The the truth is a lot of that. comes from Admiral Bird's diary which. was discovered years later which was not. his diary. Oh, rightit. Horseshit. And and he he flew.

the North Pole, not the South Pole. But. here's the interesting thing. He was in. a single man aircraft. It only had so. much fuel. He was which can only fly for. a little bit. He was out of radio. contact for three hours. Nobody knows. where he went. What was his take on it? it. We don't. really know. That's kind of So, it's. just he went radio silent for three. hours. The legend grew. It's like he did. that interview as soon as they got back. and then something must have happened. because he got real quiet. But he would.

go on TV and he would talk. But the. poleto- pole thing was he was just. warning that the poles are a vulnerable. space. Like we need to keep an eye on. the North Pole because if there's a base. on North or South Pole, you can attack. from there. So, let's keep an eye on. that. Was kind of his point. H the the. Antarctica situation is very strange cuz. uh I don't know if you ever saw the. Shawn Ryan show where he talked to this. guy that worked with the nutrino. detector down there and he was Yeah. Have you seen that? I haven't seen Shawn.

do it, but I know the guy. And the guy. was saying that it's not just a nutrino. detector, it's a direct energy weapon. that can cause earthquakes. And this is. like the DEWs. US has always been fascinated direct. energy. That's where the like the HARP. conspiracies come from and all of that. and if if you don't know what HAP is, that's the high altitude auroral. research project is just this array of. intent is in Alaska that's built by the. US government to study the ionosphere,

but for some reason it cost hundreds of. millions of dollars. And when you look. at it, you're like, where' the money go? It's like a building's a box and it's a. bunch of antennas. Where I'm getting at. is it this is a this is a an array that. can ionize parts of the. atmosphere. So I did an episode on. project blue beam which is a conspiracy. about how the United Nations the or the. shadow government will create these. holograms in the sky and that will force.

one world government. We can get into it. if you want to. Yeah. But I kind of. debunk it saying um holograms need a. substrate. you know, you need clouds, glass is really what you need. But then. the the technology has gotten to the. point where you can ionize atmosphere. and create things in the atmosphere. So. something like HARP conceivably could. create something up there, something.

visual, something visual. And I've heard. people say that, you know, the UAP's. UFOs may not be real. It could just be. holograms for some reason. I heard that, too. Yeah. Or a combination of many. different things. Yes. I think it's. probably a lot of different factors that. people are seeing. You know, we I was. watching a video the other day. I'm not. sure if it's real, but I put it on my. Instagram anyway on my my story because. it was just fun of ball lightning, which. is real, but this ball lightning was. moving around a parking lot and it was. extraordinary.

Is this one? This is the plasma lasers. that the Navy apparently has the ability. to make some stuff like this 3D images. in the air. And yeah, it can also make. them make sounds somehow too, which is. an interesting Well, because you're just. vibrating air molecules. So, in Project. Blue Beam, the the energy comes from. from a satellite array. So, can. satellites do that yet? If it can, they. won't tell us. But that could be a way. where you could throw off the enemy or. freak people out and pretend that.

there's some sort of an alien invasion. It's really just a hologram. Really just. a hologram. And that's you know that's. blue beam is supposed. to get rid of religion because what will. happen according to the legend is the. hollow rooms will manifest as whatever. deity is dominant in the area whether. it's Jesus or Buddha who whomever and. atheists will see different things and. people will just freak out. um na. nationalism will go away. Atheists will. see different things like why? Because.

according to the legend the the array or. with the technology would will. manipulate your mind. Again harp has. been accused of this because you can. manipulate someone's mind with. electromagnetic frequencies at the right. frequencies. So they could just tell you. to see something. So like that specific. that specific allegedly. Now, I I debunk. a lot of it because because uh this. story originally came from um a Canadian. journalist named Serge Manass. Fascinating figure. He comes out with.

this theory that's that's bonkers and. then the Canadian government takes his. kids away because they're homeschooled. He he gets harassed by authorities. He. gets hauled off to jail for spreading uh. disinformation, dies of a heart attack. the next day. So then of course that's. just like that lights the fuse. So now. it's like what what did he find? So, and. he talked very publicly about all of. this. So, that's that's supposedly how. it happens is they manipulate our minds. They show us what we want to see. And. then it's not like we won't resist.

authority. We'll beg for it. We'll just. beg to take take our freedom, take our. rights, keep us safe. Whoa. Because. something huge is happening and we need. to consolidate. I feel like that's what. would happen. Well, I'm sure you've seen the how put. off thing. Did you see when how put off. how put off George Bush um during his. presidency they floated the idea of. disclosure? Did you ever see this? I. didn't see it but I know how it's worked. very well. So what h what house said was.

he and several other scientists were. brought aboard and they were given a. task of writing pros and cons to. disclosure. what are the things that are. going to be disrupted and what are the. things that's going to benefit the soci. society and attach a numerical value to. each thing and all the scientists at the. end of the day showed that the numerical. value for con was far higher like it was. going to cause much more disruption than. it would be beneficial and so they. decided not to disclose but what they. were telling how was this was what what.

you were planning for was retrieved. crafts not of this world n biological. entities that the United States. government is in possession of. Should. we disclose this? Right. I think I I've. definitely heard that. I don't know if. is that connected to the Brookings. report if I'm getting that correct. Which one's that? I forget when it would. even come out. Um here's all the Cas. I'm an expert on nothing. I don't know. anything. I tell stories. Me, too.

Okay. How can you talk about Planet Sero. if you've never been? Look, I've just I. just like this. I just All due respect, that's going to go on forever. Forever. You've never been. I've never been. Um I. hope he's okay. Douglas Murray's a lot. of fun. Oh, he's great. Um yeah, so I'm. not an expert at anything. So I don't. know when Brookings was, but it was the. same thing. It was a recommendation from. the government that look, that was in. 1960. 1960. Uh same thing. Well, I don't. know about the exact same thing, but uh.

proposed studies of the implications of. peaceful space activities for human. affairs commissioned by NASA and created. by the Brookings Institute collaboration. long-range study. Same result. Don't do. it. Yeah, I think they're probably. right, but also I want to know. Well, that's that's put puts us in a pickle, I. think, is let's say it's real. I I want to. know, too. Mhm. But I don't want the. Chinese to know, and I don't want I. definitely don't want Iran to know. So,

I understand. Why do you not want them. to know? Maybe we could all get along if. we realize that there's actual aliens. that are visiting us. I mean, wasn't. that the Ronald Reagan speech in front. of the UN? You've seen that, right? Sure. Yeah. The famous speech. But. wasn't the SDI part of that speech is. we'll all get along, but we're going to. have laser weapons in space just in case. we don't. Wasn't that that same? It. might not have been, but it was about. that same time. And that was all smoke. and mirrors, you know? Right. The Star. Wars thing was fake, right? Couldn't get. it to work. Yeah, it was all fake.

So, maybe we'll all get along. Boy, that. sounds nice. But, you know, Iran. produces brilliant people, so. intelligent, great engineers, doctors, all of that. But the government is. bananas. Yeah. So, you I mean, you don't. want to have brilliant scientists. working like that. I mean, we had. brilliant scientists working for. dictators in the past and it was not. awesome, right? So, like the Nazis. That's who I mean. Yeah. Yeah. That's. who I mean. So, yeah, it's really. sketchy if they get the technology,

right? Well, this is what Hal Putoff. said. He said that the government of the. United States has at least 10 of these. things. And I said, "Well, other. governments have them." He said, "Yes.". And I said, "Do they have similar. numbers?" He's like, "We believe so." So. they don't know. So essentially what he. was kind of alluding to is that there's. basically like a kind of Manhattan. project to try to backgineer these. things and whoever figures it out first. is going to have a massive advantage, right?

And it would be nice if it was us. It. would be nice. Halpov has been connected. to a lot of disinformation campaigns. Um. I love the guy and his work, but he has. been connected to disinformation. campaigns with known disinformation. Think about what what subjects. about disclosure like you heard the name. Richard Dodie. Yes. Okay. So I mean want. some coffee? Yeah, let's have some. coffee. I'm off booze right now for. forever. No, not for Cheers. I just.

needed a break. It was becoming a little. bit Me too. Like a habit. You too? Yeah. I've been off for two and a half months. Maybe even a little more now. Yeah. I I. just for I just decided one day I'm. done. And then I feel great. feel. better. Oh my god. Think clearer. Wake. up feeling better. I have a nightclub. So I'm I'm at my nightclub, my comedy. club all the time. And you know, everybody's buying shots and you want a. beer, you want this, that after a while. you're like, "God, I feel like shit.". Yeah, you do. You know, but I'm It's.

like the illusion is you won't have fun. I'm having the same amount of fun. It's. so much fun. Of course. And because I. get I can I'm funnier because I know. what I'm talking about. Yes. And I'm not. embarrassed the next day. You just It. just doesn't kill your inhibitions. But. that's it's overrated. It is. It's fun. I've had a good time boozing. But yeah, enough. I'm allowed to go back at the. first of the month. Okay. I just needed. You need to quit vices once in a while. If anything, just to should prove that.

you can. Yes. Yeah. It's a good thing. just to prove that's not doesn't have as. hooks in you, right? Yeah. I can quit. whenever I want. It's I know. But can. you I've taken a few days off of social. media and I always feel better but I. always go right back in. I don't I don't. know why I hardly ever look at it. I. It's a just a massive distraction. Like. I don't read anything about myself but. I'm always but more so I'm always. looking at but I find a lot of. interesting things too especially on. Instagram but more so now than ever my.

screen time on my phone is dedicated to. YouTube. It's like when I come home, especially at the end of the night, come. back from the club, I'm tired. I want. nonsense. I want Bigfoot. Same. I don't. want to think too hard. I want, you. know, I want, you know, Bob Lazar. I. want Bigfoot. I I want, you know, ancient civilizations. It's just me and. the dog watching TV. Yeah. You know, everyone's asleep. That's That's my. favorite. Cuz no booze for me doesn't.

mean no gummies. So, okay. So, a half a. gummy in a Bigfoot episode. I'm having a. great time. That's the one that I wish. was real, but I'm 99% sure it's horshit. Same. But I also wonder I wonder. like I wonder if under certain. conditions it's real. Like this is my. thought. This is going to sound. squirrely. I think under heightened. states of anxiety and fear, when you're. alone in the woods, maybe it's possible.

that the barrier between dimensions is. slippery and you can see things that you. would ordinarily never see. Like it. might not even be as simple as this is a. biological creature that lives here on. Earth with us, but no one's ever found a. body. It might be weirder than that. It. might be these are some sort of homminid. from somewhere else that can can appear. This episode is brought to you by.

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squarespace.com and use. squarespace.com/rogan to save 10% on. your first purchase. Native American. legends say exactly that that it's this. creature that lives between worlds and. same with giants as well. They have the. legends of the redhaired giants that. were chased west. I'm glad we're getting. to that. We're getting giants. Yeah, because the giants thing is weird when. you go into the story and I watched your. episode on giants. I loved it. Uh maybe. it was the Smithsonian. Oh, that was. Yeah, that was GE King Cade and the. Smithsonian cover up. Yes, Grand Canyon.

That's a good story. Well, the whole. Grand Canyon thing is bananas. Like. there's areas of the Grand Canyon you. cannot explore. You cannot go you cannot. fly over, right? Um and you can't fly. under the rim. Yet when you go to those. bad places, suddenly a white plane flies. over under the rim. Black helicopters. show up. I show it on my episode. I show. the black helicopters showing up like. it's they do show. Yeah. Like they are. protecting something something. It's not.

as simple as this is a dangerous area. because you can go to any dangerous. area. You go just to the normal tourist. area, it's like be careful. People fall. Two people a year fall. Yeah. Someone. fell recently. Yeah. An influencer of. course taking a selfie. But the um Grand Canyon there there's. been these crazy stories of people. finding these like. Egyptian these caverns with like. Egyptian artwork and hieroglyphics. and these stories of artifacts that have.

been removed from there. So the story is. um it shows up I believe in like the. Phoenix Gazette. It's 1903 or so and the. explorer is GE Concincaid and he's going. down. He's a He's looking for gold. deposits or whatever. This is um just. before Rose uh Teddy Roosevelt made the. Grand Canyon a preserve. He was a. naturalist. So, he finds these steps. that are clearly man-made. He follows. the steps up and there's a cave and he. goes in there and he describes. hieroglyphics that look Egyptian but are.

not quite. He finds a statue that he. describes as like Buddha like, not. Egyptian, not human, but sort of like. Buddha. and all these weapons, shields, gold, all sorts of stuff. He keeps. going. He finds a deserted city in the. caves and all these tunnels and caverns. go everywhere. And he's trying to map. everything. He comes out and he goes. back to town and he gathers together a. group that we're going to go, we're. going to go find the stuff again. And. people are are excited about it. And a.

couple of weeks go by and everyone's. gathered to go on the expedition. He. never shows. The expedition goes. nowhere. And that's really the last. we've heard of it. Well, and is there. any photographs or anything? No, there. never is of this stuff, right? Just. descriptions. Just and a just a great. story. Well, the great part of the story. is the fact that you actually can't go. there. And the just that the idea that. there's an area where the military is. protecting people from being foolish. That doesn't make any sense. Nobody asks. why, right? Like nobody asks why. It.

really bothers me about about that story. and all of these whether it's disclosure. or whatever. I don't hear anyone asking. why. Well, they won't let us. Well, who's they? Someone's in charge of stuff. that's not the president, right? Or. Congress. So, who who is it? So, you. know, is it possible there's some sort. of a government installation down there. somewhere? You know, it's it's all going. to be woowoo conspiracy stuff or or it's. real or gee Kade found something and.

someone got to him. But if GE King Kade. found something, why would they want to. hide some ancient civilization discovery. particularly in the early 1900s? Like why? For what reason? I I don't. know why Graham Hancock is marginalized. now. Right. But that wouldn't you think. that there's like less of a grip on that. stuff in the 1900s, early 1900s? I would. think so. Yeah. So, my guess would be. treasure and money. That would be my. guess is it shows up in the paper mill.

Uh the government goes down there like. there's a lot of stuff down here. Let's. grab it. Uh send it to the Smithsonian. who keeps 99% of the stuff under wraps. They have, you know, a billion items. that nobody can see. And then that's the. end of it. But what the which I I. would love to know the official reason. See if you can Google. Is there an. official reason why you're not allowed. to go to certain areas of the Grand. Canyon? They use a VPN there, brother. The story I was looking at a article. about the original article and it says.

that the two guys mentioned might not. have even existed, right? There's no evidence of them. GE. Concincaid and another guy named SA. Jordan. Oh, so it might be just a story. that someone printed some horseshit. I've when I was looking into one of. these things before, I found a something. explaining that back in the like early. 1900s when newspapers were a really. popular thing to read. I don't know if. it was like a a game or there was actual. prizes people would play or like amongst. themselves to try to get fake stories. printed. Um, you if you could get the.

craziest story printed, you win like 500. bucks. Or I might be wrong, but I think. Jordan was connected to the Smithsonian. At least according to I pulled this from. the Smithsonian debunk, which I mean. obviously they would if this is the way. we're going to go with it. But them. debunking this and they gave two links. One to the original 1909 article and one. to a 2008 update. And that's where I was. pulling that from. I don't trust the. Smithsonian. They're exempt from all. kinds of stuff. Yeah. Well, like you're. there's a law passed not too long ago. that if you have Native American.

artifacts that are important to that. culture, especially burial artifacts, they must be returned. Unless you're the. Smithsonian, then you're hold then you. can make you can make a case that you. don't have to give it back. How do they. have so much power? I they're it's a. government agency. The Smithsonian is a. government Oh, I didn't even know. I. thought it was a private agency. So, there's no official story as to why this. area of the Grand Canyon is off limits. for your safety zone they call it. Yeah, it's all I can find. That's. weird. That's weird that this.

story comes from the very area that's. forbidden. That's weird. I think. what are the odds? I don't believe in. coincidences. So, it a lot of these stories come from. places you just can't go. Has anybody. tried to hike in all the time? Raft in. Yeah. Did they get busted? And busted. Yeah. And arrested. Really? You could find you could find online. I. wish I knew the names um of a team that. that went up there. That's who found the.

black helicopters. And uh I use them in. the video and uh and I credit them so. you can find their videos. We're up. they're up there for an hour, hour and a. half uh trying to trying to find stuff. And what they found up in that forbidden. zone is anchored into the ground a giant. hook or like a loop. Yeah. Like what. would you use that for? And that would. be to repel down. That's the only reason. that would be there. There's no. explanation for what is this. They also. found artifacts from that era, from the. early 1900s, artifacts that people were. there. So, it's possible that they.

repelled like they might have been. standing right above that entrance. And. there are reverse angles of that rock. face that look a little weird. It could. be paridolia, but it What's with. paridolia? Paridolia is the is the. mind's ability to see objects in random. noise. You know, it's something we. evolved to, you know, to see predators. in the forest. That's why if you see a. cloud that looks like a Abraham Lincoln, right? Right. It's not Abraham Lincoln, you know. It's it's paridolia.

But um but debunkers will always fall on. paridolia. So So like the real. believers, they hate that word. God, that would be imagine everything would. have to be re. rewritten if they found some evidence of. a a lost civilization with no connection. to any known civilization that was. advanced that was living in the Grand. Canyon. Did you ever think about going. to the Grand Canyon to go and just be an. outlaw and go see? How would you get in.

though? I mean, if they have black. helicopters and they're scanning the sky. or scanning the ground with some sort of. a drone or a plane, we go in, we live. Are you planning. something? No, no, no. Hold on. No. What. should we do? I don't have I don't have. a contract. All right. So, this is. already dangerous me sitting here. Um, but I got your back if I go. Yeah. Because even if they drag you out,

questions have to have to be posed, right? Why couldn't I go there? What. What did he do wrong? Well, he violated. this area. Okay. Well, how come? Yeah. Well, what when you think about how. dangerous the Grand Canyon is overall, there's not a safe area. It's literally. a canyon. You could fall at any of a. million spots along the way to your. death. Have you been there? Yes. Unbel. it's it's incredible. You couldn't paint. a better picture. But as you get closer.

to that edge, you can feel your your. amygdala going, "Oh, back up." Yeah. Like it's seriously dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. Uh God, the problem is I want to. believe with all these things. Yeah. Same. Most people that enjoy your show. want to believe. That's why it's so fun. And I don't believe most of the stuff I. talk about. But when I approach a story, I try to find as much evidence as I can. to support it. And I also want to find.

the other side so that what we're left. with is some truth. And not all stories. can be fully debunked. And I I've had my. mind flipped a couple of times. You. know, Crop Circles, Hollow Moon, some. really crazy have flipped me. around. Crop Circles is a weird one. So. weird. It's a a weird one because when I. first saw them, I'm like, what is that? And then I saw that these guys were. doing them with boards and string. I was. like, "Oh, it's just people being. silly." And then I watched a whole. documentary about how the energy that.

bent these things over caused these. nodes to explode as if they had been. cooked in a microwave. Correct. What? And then you find out that the actual. stalks are woven together. Correct. It's. not that they're pressed down. They're. woven together. and that these are. complex. geometric designs that would have taken. people weeks to map out and and and. there's no footprints leading up to it. There's no roads, no machinery, no.

evidence of any use of any kind of. machinery. And these things appear like. that, like people have flown over an. area and then flown back an hour or two. later and there's immense football field. size perfect geometry that no one can. explain how it was created. Correct. So, so the nodes in the stalks, a node is. like a knuckle on your fingers. So, these those are there for photo tropism. to bend toward light. So, what you're.

talking about is these things are bent. over. They're bent over at right angles. It can only be done with high energy. But also around these crop circles, they're. finding microscopic metallic spheroids. in around the circles. And that's not a. conspiracy theory. They're finding them. And there there are these mag magnetic. fields around the circles. And you can. see videos online of people going into. these crop circles and their their hands. start to get red. Things are happening. to them. So I went into crop circles. thinking it was all guys with boards.

Mhm. But then when you watch people with. boards making a crop circle, it's a. mess. They can't do this. And you cannot bend the nodes of reads. and weave them together in a perfect. You can't do it. So that was as I'm. doing the research, I'm like, all right, 99% of them are fake, but there's this. 1% that I cannot explain. The famous. video where you see the orbs circling. around the field in England and then the. crop circle slowly starts to emerge. Has. that been debunked? semi. It's.

controversial because the the guy. released that video, I don't know his. name offhand, allegedly went to a visual. effects house. Oh boy. And and released. it. But they somehow put that thing. together in a matter of hours, which is. suspicious. So in in my episode on it, I. said, "All right, here's what they the. skeptics say, but you know, in the 1990s. to do that that kind of VFX work because. it looks real." Mhm. I don't know. To. me, I'm I'm on the fence about it. You.

know, it's very convenient that they got. the footage. It is. You know, it is um. Operation Blackbird was a famous. operation in 1990 to try and capture the. footage live um by a great researcher. named Colin Andrews and Oh, he's the guy. that does the books on crop circles, right? Yes. Yeah. He's all in. He's all. in. And he got a lot of support for for. Blackbird. And not only did nothing. happen, he was totally embarrassed by. it. and it was all like streaming live. and a lot of people were involved. He's.

embarrassed. We find out later that. while they're like waiting for the. circles to happen, just a few miles. away, there's a milit top secret. military operation doing whatever. they're doing. He doesn't know why. And. then he gets a knock on the door from. someone, you know, Men in Black, whoever. it is, that first offers him money to. stop his work, then threatens him with. whatever, threatens his family, and he. doesn't know who this guy is. They go. back and look at the tapes and he sees. the guy in the background of like one of. the TV crews. So the theory is some type.

of intelligence was embedded into. Blackbird made to discredit him. And. that was kind of that was kind of the. end of Colin Andrews because he was he. was a legit researcher at that point. Now he's a now he's fringe and now he's. pseudocience. But I get into that in the. episode. That was something I. discovered. I never knew that there was. intelligence involved. I didn't know. that there was a military op which is. confirmed. It's all it's it's wild. So, do you think they discredited him on. purpose? Yes. Interesting.

To make the crop circle thing looks. foolish. But like what is the crop. circle thing like what is the out of the. believers? What is the best theory? The. believers is that it's a it's a way to. message craft or it's a landing site or. it's some type of communication. But why. why would why would they do it in wheat. fields? I I don't know. It doesn't make. sense to me. If you have the technology, just, you know, yeah, pick up the phone. You know, you there's better ways than. just mowing wheat down. But I you I.

don't understand. Do you know the one. about the the Mandler set? I've I've. seen it. Yeah. I think that one is. really weird because I think it. coincides with the fractal creation of. the Mandelro set by these people that. are into this kind of geometry and. fractals that like someone made the. Mandelro set which is essentially an. infinite fractal of like spectacular.

design. And this is before Loren and. Lorenz attractor I think it's before. that isn't it? I don't know. Before it. was mainstream. Yeah, before it was. mainstream. Yes. And then when this. thing appears and people like what is. this design and then they connect it to. this mandler set which is someone would. have to have some very esoteric. information to be and it's the. mandleroat set using Fibonacci numbers. Yes. And the and the fee the golden. ratio and it's accurate. It's accurate. down to inches. Yeah. You can't do that.

Well, maybe you can, but like how and. how long would it take and how much. planning and how many people and what. would you use like what what is the. technology they would use to bend those. things over that way and weave them? It's very weird stuff. It's weird. because it's these you know the way. these fractals work. It's this ratio in. the in the geometry is like their. specific sizes. This one is half the.

size of that one, which is half the size. of that one, which is And it goes on and. on forever. And when you see it all, see. if you can find the Mandelro set. It's. maybe the most spectacular crop circle. It's weird. It's really weird cuz it's. enormous. Mhm. You know, and it. seems so stupid. Which one? Wow. There's. a whole bunch of them. The Mandler set. is the one with the look like a heart. above that one right there. Yeah, that's. it. That's the Mandelroad set. Yep. And. there's some other fractals there as. well. I was looking at an article. It says.

these two guys took on the challenge and. did it for a TV show in the BBC. They. did. If you watch him do it, it's it's. clumsy AF. Yeah, it it doesn't look as. good. Like like trying to find I know. they always say that these guys did it, but like. you can't really see it there, but those. flatten reads, they're they're woven. together. Well, the weird some of the weirder. ones, go back to other crop circles. You. had some other images before that. There's some other ones that those ones. those spirals, right? Like that one.

right there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That is. wild. That's wild. Like this is. multiple football fields long and wide. So, how make that one a little bigger, please. And one of these, I don't know. if it's that one in particular, showed. up right next to Stonehenge. Like, yeah, like a tennis ball throw away. Like that. is crazy to not first of all if you're. on the ground. All right, just the. measurements alone to make each one the. equal distance between circles, you.

know, in the whatever six different. blades that you have that stem from the. center. They're all the same distance. They're all the same size. The small. circles are the ones that are most. interesting because how hard is that to. do, right? Right. And they're uniform and it's like. what is that? Like what the is. that? And who's do if that is a hoax? It's so bizarre that it's only these two.

goofballs that were making really shitty. ones with boards and strings. And yet. there's hundreds if not thousands of. these like really complex ones. Yeah. Those are the guys that are on you can. see them doing it live. Yeah. But those. guys, there's no way they had enough. time to do all these things. And it. looked terrible. Yanky. Look, he's just. trampling it. Yeah. I mean, look, you. can certainly make crop circles with a. string and a board. You certainly can. make crop circles, but you're and you.

know it it always gets connected like. believing in aliens and everything else, but it's not no one's even saying aliens. like what it it could be some sort of. energy from something that we possess. some something that humans possess that. they somehow or another aim at these. areas like what is that one above it? Go. that one right there above like right. right there. What the is that. thing? Look at that. They are in the. same count. 80% of them come from the. same county in England, which is all. also weird. Now, people will correct me.

in the comments, but I believe that. middle piece of geometry is a hybrid. cube, isn't it? Isn't that a a. four-dimensional cube? I don't know. A. tesseract does look like it, but like. what the How long would that take? That seems like that would take a long. time to do. Stonehenge is under constant. surveillance and and circles show up. overnight. Very weird stuff. There's an interesting. conspiracy. What the dude? To crop. circles that that we can we can get into.

later. Wilshshire has the most crop. circles in England. Yes. And it's mostly. in England, too, which is also weird. And mostly in Wiltshire, man. Like, is. there some sort of a theory by the. Cooks? Lay lines. Lay lines that they're. happening on these these segments of. energy that intersect. What is that. black and white one, Jamie? Click on. that one. It's just a No, no, no, no, no. The one that one. What the is. that? Wow. Wow. On on a mountain. Crazy. That could.

be in sand. I think this look like sand. dunes. Is that what that is? Circle 16. That's. crazy. I don't I've never seen that one. It's wild. I mean, just the amount of. time that it would take to do these. things. So, lay lines. So, this is the. theory. That's a theory. Have you heard. about lay lines? Kind of. It's this this. um alleged grid of energy that circles. the earth and uh almost like how. magnetic fields work. And this these.

energy lines have intersection points. and on these intersection points are. things like Stonehenge, Giza and snow on. a mountain in France. Wow. Where are the. tracks in. what? How you know it? Okay. What the. is that? So this is no footprints, no tracks. Footprints right here. Yeah, but that could be that could be the. people that discovered it, right? Oh, this a guy that did it though. Artist. that did this. This isn't These aren't. crop circles. This is an artist doing.

it. That's kind of what I was trying to. say. incredible. An artist did. that. Yeah. It has the guy's name on. that first picture we had here. Amazing. Simon Beck. So the artist angle is a. conspiracy angle. There's a man named. John Lundberg who was part of a group. called circlemaker makers.org Borg, which was a an art project and also a. sociology experiment. And he would make. fake crop circles to see how people. would react. Years later, Lunberg and. some associates created a documentary. called Mirage Men, which an excellent. documentary. It's mostly about Richard. Dodie and his disinformation campaign on.

behalf of the Air Force to discredit the. UFO community. Drove Paul Benowitz nuts. Um, Bill Bill Moore, who's the who's the. guy who essentially brought Roswell out. to the public, Bill Moore was taking. payments and being fed information from. Dodie to muddy the waters in the UFFL. community. He finally came clean in '89, was booed off the stage at MUON, and. everything just unraveled. So, it's all. this info. They booed him off the stage. cuz he f he finally said, "Look, I I've.

been working with the government. A lot. of the stuff I've been saying, they told. me to say. Majestic 12. All this stuff. was coming from Dodie and they didn't. want to hear it. They didn't want to. hear and his career was basically over. that day. Wow. Bill Moore he there was. no Roswell story before Moore before his. book. And you know that was Dodie. So. the the documentary about Dodie was. directed and put together by Lunberg and. his associates. Lunberg was one of the. original circle makers that would make.

these fake crop circles to see how. people would react. I just thought it. was an interesting connection. But it's. interesting because clearly some people. are making these, but like what was the. origins of it? Because I'm I'm sure. you've seen. that image from the newspaper of the. devil with a a. scythe, you know what I mean? And. they're talking about crop circles like. back in like the 17 and 1800s. 1678. Yeah. 1600s. Wow. First crop circle ever. reported was in 1678. According to the.

story, farmer, the crop mower were. arguing about the cost of harvesting the. farmer's oat field. The farmer was. furious at the mower's price and stormed. off, swearing that the devil himself. should harvest the crop. That night, a. dazzling light lit up the oat field, and. in the morning, the farmer discovered. perfectly round circles in his crops. He. was so frightened by the circles, which. he thought could only have been so. neatly mowed by the devil or some. infernal spirit, that he abandoned any. attempt to harvest the field. That's a little sketchy. You're scared.

of circles. Come on, Uh, really. though? If there were crop circles in my. backyard, I would be a little nervous. I. would be curious. It's not terrifying, right? They're not something that would. scare me away from harvesting my crop. No, I'm more afraid of the government. than I am of, you know, that crop. circles don't seem to be killing. anybody. No, but it's like what? So, lay. lines. So, these things are to. differentiate areas. So they could see. them from the sky. Is that the idea? The.

lay lines are the are the energy lines. Mhm. Uh whatever a mystical energy. It's. not a scientific energy. And where the. lines intersect is where you see sites. like Machu Picchu, Giza, Stonehenge, all. these ancient sites. There's the lay. lines. Oh, but lay lines is, you know, it's it's. semi-debunkable because if you if you. connect enough lines, you're going to. find patterns. You're going to find. geometry. Right. Right. Right. You go. looking for it, right? Yeah. Very just.

very weird stuff that I like I said, I. used to think it was total nonsense. until I saw some documentaries on it. where they were talking about the nodes. They were talking about some of these. things are just so complex and they. appear so quickly. The nodes and the. braiding to me was like, okay, now I got. to change my approach to this. What do. you think it is? You know, I don't know. I I think I. think it's beyond. us. Oh, it's just we're just monkeys. trying to trying to guess math, you. know. I don't know. We every time we.

make a guess on this show, someone's. laughing, you know. Of course, someone's. like, you know, they think it's a. landing site. Well, it's one of those. subjects that if you even entertain it, you're almost immediately a fool, which. uh I'm super comfortable with being a. fool. I entertain a lot of foolish ideas, but. that one is particularly foolish because. people will always point to those guys. with boards and I'm like, not so fast. Yeah, those guys with boards definitely. made some circles, but this is there's.

some of them that are really. spectacular. They are. And it it just. doesn't. And when you factor in the. nodes and you factored in the weaving. and then these incredible geometric. shapes, like how are you even mapping. that? Like, how are you doing that? How. many people are involved? How long does. it take? I, you know, I it would take. people so long. It would never be that. accurate. Yeah. With, you know, with. ropes and boards. I, you know, I just. don't see it right. But like it leaves. you with this weird mystery just like.

what what is this? I wish I knew. It's. just one of those things that like it's. almost like the universe is laughing at. us every now and then. It just shows you. something that's like so goofy that you. have to go, well, what is real? the, you. know, a great, it was a hoax, but a. great crop circle was the Arosibo. response. Do you know that one? Yes. That was a great one. That was we sent. the Arosa message out, but had had all. the symbols on it that and it sent it. back with like a half a alien face, right? And it showed where on in their.

solar system they lived, what their DNA. was like, you know, it was a great one. Who did that one? I I don't know who did. I don't know if it was Circlemakers. I. don't know who it was, but it was a. hoax. But it was But it was like a. really wellthoughtout one. Well, that. one kind of looks like a hoax. Like it's. so on the nose. You have a alien face in. the crop circle. Yeah. Wasn't that. different than the than the arosa. response? Wasn't I forget. I think they. were related. I'm not I'm not sure. though. The response I thought was so. cool. I thought the arbo response was.

aligned with that uh UFO thing. The the. alien face. See if you can find the crop. circle that says it. Jamie, you could be. right. As soon as you see the alien. face, you're out. I think the aerosibo. response is next to the There it is. above that. Jamie, you just had it. If. you scroll, go to the top right there. Bam. Okay. So, that's different. That's. different. But there's there's Aerosibo. is the answer. An album cover for. someone on Apple. Right. But the crop. circle is a real crop circle that that.

somebody actually made that thing. And. that's a message in that circle. That. spiral is a message. Look at that one to. the right. Uh, there's the Aeros response down. there with the humanoid face. Yes, that's it. That's. it. Very weird. So, that's a hoax. That's a hoax. But boy, it's a good one. It's a great one. Go back a. couple of posts. Yeah, right there. That one in the right. hand side. That's crazy. It's the small circles that get me.

Well, it's If it is a hoax, it's. amazing. That is just so weird. But again, it's like one of those like. it doesn't there's it's not satisfying. No, it's not. You know, there's not like. every it just at the end of it, you're. just like, I don't know. That's why the. worst question is what do you think it. is? Right. I was hoping you had. something stupid. Well, I don't know, man. Yeah, I don't know either. But I do.

know that I want to believe, which is. always the problem with me with all. these things, you know. I want to. believe the bases in Antarctica. I want. to believe that there's pyramids up. there. All that stuff. Yeah. And when. you find out something's debunked, how. do you feel? Oh, you know, are you okay? Yeah. I. mean, disappointed, but but there's a. party that goes, "Yeah, it's probably. right." Well, I think most of them are. I think like most UFO. sightings are Most UFO.

sightings are probably people seeing. experimental military aircraft and. things along those lines. Satellites, that's a big one. Like those the. Starlink ones just fly across the night. sky and people like, "Oh my god, it's an. alien. It's not an alien. You could see. them with with your naked eye." Yeah. But if you didn't know what it was, it. looks like a fleet of ships flying. across the sky. And the way that they. alternate lights, it looks like there's. an intelligence to it, right? Yeah. Yeah. Um I've never seen anything.

myself. Have you? No. Gino has. What did. What did he say? Gino saw and I think um. I think maybe Jeremiah said he saw the. same thing. Uh Gino saw a giant orb of. light over the Pacific Ocean and he. watched it for a long time. And I said, "Where's the photo of it?" And he said, "I was so in awe. I didn't even think to. get out my phone. It's like, man, but. that's a common thing you hear, right? Is you're just so in awe. You don't. think I got to selfie this, right? You.

probably if you actually saw something, there's a high probability that you'd be. so freaked out. You'd be just in the. moment like what? Yeah. And you know, Gino's legit. He's not he's not a. artist. Yeah. No, I've talked. to quite Dave Foley had a sighting. He. saw something the Gino talked to Dave. about they saw the same thing. H yeah. Well, there's always the question of. like what's going on off the coast and. I'm sure you're aware of this one that. we actually talked about it the other. day, but we never found it. There's a.

structure that's off of Malibu in the. deep water that was available on Google. Maps. Was a structure was And now it's. blurred out. Yep. But it looked like. there's openings in it. There's a top. that's flat. It looks like Looks like a. base. Looks like a base. Looks like a. base. Yeah. You know, if And now it. doesn't. Now it just looks like blurry. water. Yeah. Like why does it look. different now? Like what's going on? With a gun to my head, all the weird. stuff is in the ocean. It's not from.

another planet. Really? No, I don't. know. Who knows? But it's it makes a lot. more sense that the stuff we're seeing, it's the best place to hide is just deep. water. So, not from another planet. originally, like maybe originally. And. that's where they they make their base. I I it's hard for me to square how to. travel great distances. It's hard for me. to square that. You know, I know that. we've got the albare drive and warp. drive and all these theoretical things.

about about compressing space time and. all of that. I, you know, I get it. Um, but it's hard for me to think that. that's solvable. But what is interesting is maybe another. species evolved alongside of us a long. time ago and has been here a long time. and said, "You know what? Let's go. Here's this is where we go to avoid. cataclysms and geological instability. Let's go under water. That's a weird one. though because like what kind of. technology are you utilizing? How did. you rechie how did you achieve that.

level of technological superiority and. not completely control man? Because if I. was an intelligent species that was. capable of developing bases under the. water, I'd be super concerned at all the. different things that human beings are. doing to ruin things. Like if we had. chimps that all of a sudden had. flamethrowers and they were lighting the. jungle on fire, we'd probably take their. flamethrowers. So like we would turn off. a nuclear reactor. Yeah. Right. So we. talk about humans. If if if this theory. is true that they evolved here, there.

were no humans. Humans are 300,000 years. old. That's not It would take whatever. species a lot longer than that to evolve. to this technological level. And we've. seen the craft just zip into water with. no displacement, right? You know, where. are they going? And there there are. unnamed whistleblowers, you know, anonymous sources that say there's a. there's a base near the Bermuda. Triangle. The Navy knows about it. They. know not to get close. It moves around a. little bit. I'm going to do an episode. on it soon because it's just too good. not to. Corroborated by another. biologist who said he worked with the.

retrieval team and yes, there's stuff. And what this base does is it it from. raw materials creates craft to go on. specific missions. So there always the. question, you know, why is there a. saucer? Why does it look like a pyramid? Why is it this? It's because they're. customuilt for a mission and there's an. AI and a species down there and they. say, "We're going to go survey Mount. Hayes in Alaska." Super super. fascinating uh place. So, we only need a. scanning gear, some propulsion, and we. just build it. It fits in an orb. Send. it out, does its thing, comes back, and.

then it gets broken down to the its. parts. And then another mission, build. it. Ah, it's going to be a triangle. It's going to be this or that. Does its. mission comes back. To me, that makes. good sense. A good way to do that. a. good way to conserve resources, not have. to go out and get stuff. H I like the. theory. That's a fun It's a fun theory. It's a fun theory. Yeah. It's a fun. theory also that if you were if you were. creating bases here like say if they're. coming from somewhere else and they want. to visit us it would be far.

more logical to develop some sort of a. base with resources and you know where. you could you could observe things and. they can exist there completely. undetected and then be able to go to. wherever they're from back and forth. But when they're here on Earth, they. would be undetected, right? And the the. ocean is literally 70 something% of the. Earth's surface. And we've mapped, I. think, two or 3% of it. Yeah. It' be a.

good place to hide in plain sight. That's what I would do. And to make. things from raw materials, meaning like. molecular level stuff, you're I mean, you're totally off-rid. You know, we. don't need to strip mine. We got. everything here. Right. Right. And if. you have something that's a. transmedium vehicle, so it doesn't. displace the water. It works on some. sort of a warp drive or some I think you. have to get into interdimensionality. then and all it gets a little it gets a.

little wild. But if you're not. displacing air or water that that means. you're phasing through matter, right, which is theoretically doable because. everything is mostly space. Well, they. said they've mapped things going under. the water 500 knots, right? Without. making a splash. Yeah. No ripples, no. discernable waves. Greg Lugan is right. in there. Nothing. 500 knots under the. water. I mean, what the could do. that? The amount of energy you'd have to.

have go through that much resistance of. deep water, 500 miles an hour, 500. knots, right? Look at how when they do. missile tests from subs, how those. things are just like ah trying to get. out of the water. Yeah. And these things. just go. Yeah. And nothing. Well, that's. the weird ones. And but that would make. you also think like maybe it is a. hologram because if there are these. transmedium things, but the thing is. they're seeing them with radar, right? Which means heat signature or mass,

right? Or electromagnetic displacement. Or if it was if it is some sort. of photons like some sort of a. projection would that not have some kind. of a heat signature? It would if it was. ionized air. You know that would be plasma. So that. was hot if that's what it is. But when. they go into the water we see them under. the water for a second and you don't see. any refraction, right? So that kind of.

screws up the like the holographic. projection theory a little bit because. there's no light refraction. So how did you do do that? Yeah. No, I'm asking you. How do you do. that? I don't know. I don't know either. I mean that's my answer. Yeah. I mean. you've had physicists on here that that. I've seen go. Yeah. Well, the really crazy ones are. the ones that the fighter pilots have. seen. because, you know, particularly. Commander Fraver and the other people.

that were on that mission with him. So, two separate jets, you have four people. that are eyewitness to this thing and. then that there was something actually. under the surface of the water like an. aircraft carrier, an enormous thing that. this tic tac is hovering above and then. that thing descends into the water. of. the tic tac turns towards them, is. jamming their signal, is hovering in. space, and then shoots off at such an. insane rate of speed that most of the.

things that we have on Earth would just. disintegrate and fall apart just from. the sheer pressure, of course, and from. the inertia can be done. Now, if I were. doing an episode on on Tic Tac or Go. Faster or Gimbal, I would be remiss if I. didn't include Mick West's analysis of. those. And I know you've talked to Mick. on and off throughout the years. He's. like a professional debunker, though. He. wants to debunk things that I don't. think can be debunked. He does. He. approaches it as it's definitely fake. And I'm going to show you why. Everything is definitely fake. Almost to. the point where I'm like, who you. working for? Right. Right. Who you.

working for? Everyone thinks we're CIA, by the way. I mean, me and you. Oh, yeah. Uh, Reddit is convinced I'm CIA. Oh, me too. That's why my channel blew. up in two and a half years. Because CIA. CIA is back. Oh, I've heard that before. I've heard that about many people, like. the reason why they got successful. I've. heard that about me, too. Yeah. Like go. back to 2009 where I have 200 viewers. Like the CI suck back then. They weren't. helping me at all. Dude, I remember just. watching you in little squares on. Ustream. Just like the top of your head.

and Brian and Duncan. I mean, that's. what I Gino's like, you got to watch Joe. Rogan's show on on Ustream. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's a. comic. He's like, he's got Graham. Hancock on. And I went, oh, I got to. watch that. And that's that's when I. started watching. I think Graham was our. first serious guest. So, it was Duncan. and I and we're in my house and Graham. flew from England. We ate pizza in in my. kitchen. It was the first time I got to. meet him. I was so pumped cuz I'd read. his book in the 90s. I read Same. Yeah. Fingerprints of the Gods. Amazing book.

from Art Bell is who told me about it. Yeah. I remember my wife was like, "You. should read like real real archaeology.". I'm like, "No, this is. interesting shit." Why should is your. wife a scientist or something? No, no, no. She's just a little more serious. than me. Yeah. a little smarter than me. Same. Same. But it's like I I still to. this day will pick up those books and. read them and like I I do not think that. modern archaeology has the full story. And I've seen the way they behave. I saw. the way Flint Dibble behaved with. Graham. They're gatekeepers. They don't.

want anyone to have any information that. they don't have. So even in the face of. very compelling information, they. dismiss openly quickly without any. consideration. They they just want to. dismiss it. And then they want to. pretend that any archaeologist that. presents any kind of information that. up the narrative isn't immediately. attacked. And they are. Their careers. are ruined. Whether you go back to. Clovis first or any of these different.

archaeologists that have proposed. alternative theories of the human. timeline, all of the conventional archaeologists, all the mainstream people attacked them. Randall Carlson, Robert Shock, John. West. Um, if I were advising Graham, I. would have said, "Don't do that debate. Don't do it. There's no way to come off. You're not going to convince anybody and. you're just going to come off not. looking great." And uh and I've seen his. response on his own site. He's even said.

that was probably a mistake. He wasn't. prepared enough, but you'll never be. prepared enough for a professional. debunker. You just won't be have too. much. So, I would have told him don't. don't go in don't go into the lion's. den. Well, the problem was he wasn't. being honest. Flint was not being honest. about the information that we have, particularly about offshore shipwrecks. It was just not honest. Nope. You know, and the amount that they have. discovered, not honest. and Graham. didn't know that at the time. And also. the timeline of like how old these are.

when you get to 5,000 6,000 years. There's no ship left. All you have is. like the pottery and whatever is on the. ground at the bottom. And if you're. talking about 10,000 years, 15,000. years, who's to say that that's not. completely covered by sediment by then? And it probably would be. Well, you. know, I watched a little of um of Zawwas. on on here. That's all you need, just a. little for that episode. You get it. I. couldn't believe he was he's still doing. it. I mean, uh, maybe he was around when. they actually built the things. I think. that was probably the best advertisement.

for alternative archaeology you're ever. going to get. When you see the guy. that's the gatekeeper and how. close-minded he is. He didn't mention. the capstones, the the the limestone. facing from Tor. He didn't even talk. about it. Well, also this just saying it. was the national project and that's how. they were able to get 80 ton stones 500. miles away through the mountains on. sleds. Like come on. The Alan stones are.

from 1,200 miles away. Yeah. You know, the the tourist stones are uh I don't. know 20 30 miles away or whatever. How. about those Lebanon stones at Balbeck? Balbeck. Can't I It's How many tons is. that? You You need a person standing on. it to even see the size of If you've. never seen the Ballbeck stone, if you're. listening, the thing is it's it's like a. skyscraper on its side. Yeah. And it's. one solid piece and it was moved there. Yes. See, pull up the Balbeck stones in.

Lebanon because there's stuff that's. above it that is like of a more recent. time period, but it seems to have been. put there on top of these older stones. that are so big they don't make any. sense. Like that's just one of them that. was quarried but not moved. But the ones. that are in place, go to the ones like. see like these ones, the ones that are. above. So they're the lower stones and. the ones above. You don't realize how. big they are unless you can get a human.

being to stand next to them, but they. are preposterously big. Like there you. go. Right. Like you 15 feet high, 30, 40. feet long. I mean, they're showing in. metric, so I'm confused. Incredible. And like who who did it and. when when was that done? And then. there's like Malta, like that stuff that. they think Malta was constructed when. the sea levels were much lower. So there.

was a a way to make a path to there from. Italy and from these other places. because they found Neanderl bones there. and and allegedly giants built that and. Darren Kuyu and all the hidden cities. underneath Capidokia and Turkey that. they're finding are connected. Those are. nuts. No one knows who made them. No one. knows who made them and they can have. thousands of people living underground. They can bring fresh water from the from. the aquifers. They can bring fresh air. and circulate it. They have defensive. mechanisms with these giant stones and. nobody knows how they made them. Yeah.

And who and and why? Yeah. Great flood. Yeah. That's the theory, right? the. theory, the great flood and then the. younger dus impact theory destroyed the. atmosphere where there was just like. above the earth which is like chaotic. and they sought refuge underground. I. lean more toward that that the the ice. sheets melted from a solar event than an. impact, but it certainly could be. either. I mean, well, it could be a. combination of things because it's also. they think there was more than one. The. the impact event happened. They know.

this based on core samples, aridium, uh. the the nano diamonds that come from. impacts. This is the Greenland impact. Yeah. Not just Greenland, North America. They think it h I think they found these. the evidence of this stuff like 30% of. the Earth's surface where the they. believe these things had hit. I think we. got bombarded. Right. So that would be. like flying through an asteroid field. like like the like the Leonids or the. Perciads or Torids. So the remnants of.

of some giant object that that is rubble. and we just fly through it which means. we fly through it frequently. We fly. through it twice a year. Twice a year. But we don't always you know most of the. time we get lucky and it's not a really. a hot one but like what happened. Tungusa. Tungusa. Right. That's that's. grand 1907. And in the same month that. we passed through that comet field. That's right. Yeah. Right. That's over. Siberia. And that was an air burst, I. believe, because there's no impact.

crater, but it flattened like millions. of square miles of trees and it's still. to this day. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. There's images of that if you want to. look up that. There's um there's actual. like film of it. It's crazy. It looks. like a a bomb went off. Yeah. We're in a. shooting gallery. You know, Earth is. flying through a shooting gallery. There's 900,000 near-Earth objects that. are just hovering around out there. And. NASA says we track most of them. because in those fields with with the. perceives towards there are big objects.

There are earth killers in there. Oh. yeah. You know and Apouses is lurking. Apous is the big one that's due to fly. by in a few years. What's that one? That's a that's a giant asteroid that's. uh I think it's due to fly by maybe 2030. something. How big is that one? I I I'll. get it wrong. I mean, I'm gonna say a. million things wrong today. I'll hear. all about it. But but it's a it's a. planet killer. Like, it's a it's a. civilization ender, and it's going to. fly near like we're going to be able to.

see it during the day. 375 m across, about the size of a cruise liner. It. will pass within 32,000 km of Earth's. surface on April 13, 2029. Now, stop. there. That's about That's closer than. the moon. That's I mean, way closer than. the moon. Yeah. So that's what se about. 70,000 miles where the moon is 250 250. to 300. So we're going to see that what you. don't want to see that in in the you.

don't want to look up and see that. Well, just knowing that ones far larger. have passed through. Mhm. And then we. know for sure a bunch of hit, you know, for sure, you know, Chichinita, that. one. All right. Chick Shaloo. But that. was that was pseudocience until the. father son went down there and found it. And that wasn't that I think that was. when I was growing up the dinosaurs. died. It was that was a conspiracy. theory. The asteroid, right? Then they. and the guy they found it I think around. the Yucatan impact. Yeah.

And the Aridium Yeah. matches it. Uhhuh. Yeah. All that is really spectacular. stuff. Yeah, it's just like when you. look at the moon and you see the craters. all over it and you realize, okay, this. is what happens when you don't have an. atmosphere and you also don't have water. and you could see everything that hits. like the whole thing. The whole why but. why are there so many fewer impacts on. the other side? Are there fewer? Really? I can't I don't know. The moon I have I.

have a it became a saying on the show. I. even have a t-shirt. The moon is weird. Yeah. Like Gino's my my weird topic guy. It's like what should we talk about? He's like do hollow moon. So I went into. that story thinking this is the dumbest. I've ever heard. The moon is. hollow. And I'm doing the research about. halfway through I'm like hm the moon is. weird. And then by the end of my. research I was convinced that clearly. the moon is a hollow spaceship that was. brought here from another part of the. galaxy and it's here and the lizard. people are absorbing our soul energy. That's the only explanation for it. Um.

probably not true but man that the moon. is very weird. Well, it's also weird. that the. alignment and the size and the distance. of the moon makes the eclipse perfect. Like, what are the odds of that? What. are the odds that it it is the exact. distance from the sun so that when the. moon and the sun align, it's exact, right? It's like a 400 to1 ratio. It's.

exact. It's nuts. But but you could. debunk that by saying the moon is. getting further and further away, right? But why is it perfect? What I mean, we. have not found a planet in this solar. system or anywhere else that has a giant. moon right next to it, quarter the size. of the Earth. We haven't found it. Yeah, we're the only one with. it. And there are ancient legends that. talk about a moonless sky and when the. moon arrived and when it arrived it it.

caused a caused a great flood. What are. the ancient stories of a moonless sky? Where are they from? Um ancient Indian. texts will have it but also native. legends will have it about the moon. about a moonless sky and then the moon. arrives and when do they think the moon. arrived? It's it's hard to tell. You. know, I always go to younger dries. Younger dries, but but who really knows? The Earth was apparently just covered in. this haze, just very wet, very hazy, maybe like Venus or something like that.

Then the moon arrives and all that water. from the atmosphere drops down to Earth. The tidal forces are crazy. There's a. huge flood and everything just settles. and then the moon is here and the moon. is now like the guardian of the planet, which it really is. We could, you know, we couldn't really survive without it. because it stabilizes our atmosphere, right? Stabilizes us and stabilizes our. orbit. Our orbit and and our um spin and. our axis like when there's a major. earthquake, the earth changes speed. The. spin ch like our spin it change like.

measurably if there's a big earthquake. And if there's a lot of those, that. could throw you off the axis, but the. moon steps in like a bouncer and it. settles things back down. Hm. So, the idea would be that some sort. of a superior civilization place the. moon there to ensure our survival. I. don't I don't think they care about us. Really? No, I don't think so. How come? Again, we're we're we're in very. speculative territory because nobody. knows, right? But I would think it would.

just be for resources. Hey, this place. has a lot of stable water. That's useful. Don't you think they. would be fascinated with us as an. emerging civilization? And like I always. say that if we found a planet that had. cave people on it, like just starting to. learn stone tools and stuff like that, we would for sure be interested in them. We'd be so fascinated and we would. probably try to accelerate their. learning curve. You think we would? Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Well, think of what a lot of these jerkoffs.

have done with like unconted tribes and. stuff like that. We're always trying to. intervene and do something with them. You know the dark forest theory? No. It's Lucian Sha who wrote the threebody. problem and all those. Oh dark forest. theory says that if you attain a certain. level of technology the best thing you. can do is just be quiet because because. the universe is a dark forest and the. first person to stick his head out dies. because you don't want a competitor in.

your region. So, as soon as a a culture. gets close to some technology that could. maybe that they're on a path to threaten. you, you got to take them out. You got. to you got to halt their technology. And. threebody problems is kind of based on. that. That's what they do in the books. And that seems to make a little more. sense to me than sort of this. altruistic, hey, let's help them, you. know, the Star Trek approach. Let's. let's make first contact and all of. that. You know, I I like, you know, human nature is a tricky thing.

We're very. selfish. You know, you and I might want. to see those people and help them along, but there's a there's a lot of people. that would not want a competitor in the. neighborhood. Well, yeah, maybe. But. what if they don't even think of us as a. competitor? What if they're they're so. advanced? Like if they're millions of. years advanced, wouldn't they they like. this is the thing that Diana Pulka and. Gary Nolan and a lot of these people. that study crashed. retrievalss the there's a term that they.

use that these are donations, right? That these vehicles are donations and. that the idea is we're supposed to look. at this and formulate new ideas through. reverse engineering. And there, you know, there's. circumstantial evidence that that's. true. If you look at Bell Labs and all. the crazy discoveries after Roswell, like we're using cathode ray tubes and. suddenly transistors are made and. silicon semiconductors and wireless. transmission and Bell Labs is all these. leaps forward. fiber optics, fiber.

optics, laser technology came out of. Bell as well and um you know the. retrieval experts say that fiber optics. and lasers for sure is reverse. engineered and it kind of makes a lot of. sense because it seemed to have come out. of. nowhere suddenly Bell Labs has it you. know but it you know. it's my question is where where is the. stuff you know we got World War II we go. into Korea in 1950 and at the.

time Russia Russia had the MiG 15 was. basically on par with us. I think we had. the the F86 at the time which and MIG. might have even been better. So that. would would have been a great time for. some advanced tech. Um but America did. catch up and exceed the Soviets about 51. 52 you know during Korea and then has. been superior ever since. But you would. think that after 47 with the Soviets. there let's get some of this anti-. gravitic stuff going. Yeah. Maybe the. problem is that you're working in this.

very compartmentalized environment. So. you're not allowed to share with all. these different scientists. So because. of that there's no collaboration which. is necessary for real innovation. You. have to have experts from a bunch of. different fields analyzing all the. different aspects of it. This is what. Lazar pointed to the problems that they. were having at S4 when they were trying. to back engineer this stuff. He's like. you can't do science like this because. everything is so top secret and so. compartmentalized. the metallurgists. were not allowed to talk to the.

propulsions people and no one was. allowed to talk to anybody else and. everybody was just like what the is. going on like what are these things. where like they didn't even tell him. allegedly you know if the story is true. they didn't even tell him where this. thing came from they they show it to him. and there's a United States flag sticker. on it and he's like oh this is ours oh. that makes sense and then he's examining. he's like oh no it's not like there's no. seams in this thing like what is this. What's What is the metal? Why is it. designed for something that's 3 ft tall?

Like there's no controls inside this. thing. Like what is this reactor? How. does this thing work? There's a chair. Yeah. You know, there's a couple of. chairs. It looks like there's a neural. interface. Maybe I you know, you hear a. lot of the scientists their frustration. like if I could just talk to these guys, you know, I'm I'm picking up an an EM. field from this. The metallurgist would. be helpful here to tell me what's going. on. You know, I I keep coming across. spinning Mercury all the time. Spinning. Mercury. The spinning Mercury engine has.

been part of the lore since ancient. India has the Vmanas. You know, those. those craft. If you look at the ancient. texts, it may have been the in the. Mahabarata. But but they allude to this. liquid metal and then you fast forward. to like the Nazis building the bell, the. delock, that was a mercury engine. And. then we fast forward a little further. Mark Mcandalish in the ARV vehicle the. um I forget the flux liner that is a. that's spinning mercury engine. So. spinning mercury keeps keeps popping up.

and spinning mercury would cause some. type of field. What that would be I'm. not a scientist or physicist. I'm not. sure but it would certainly throw off a. bunch of ions that could maybe be. harnessed or used for something. Well, it's it's like we're trying to explain. things to us based on our current. understanding of technology. Like glass. was invented a long time ago, but. imagine showing up with uh a a brand new. Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra with Gorilla.

Glass, you know, in the thin frame and. looking at the What the is this? There'd be statues of him for a thousand. years. Well, you know what glass is and. you know what metal is, right? Well, this is glass and metal. You're like, "What? What?" No. What the is this? We took sand and made it real hot and it. made it clear. Huh? What? And you you. can drop it on the concrete and it. doesn't break. What? Yeah. So, just our. current understanding of technology. based on the origins of that technology,

just metal and glass, you know, you you. show someone metal and glass is. thousands of years old. show them what. we have now with metal and glass, they'd. be blown away. And you just keep going, keep going, go a thousand years from. now. Like, what does it all look like? It's. like probably some sort of gravity. propulsion system, probably 3D printed. So, there are no seams, right? Yeah. And. that's the frustration about disclosure. is how far could we be by now, right? You know, had had there been disclosure.

in 47 or whatever. It's even more of a. scop if it's all Like it's a. scop if it's act if it actually is like. wow the government is actually really. good at one thing. They're good at. keeping secrets about UFOs. That's. right. But if they're not if it's all. like boy how weird that we've. been like focusing on this nonsense like. as a culture. It got in the front page. of the New York Times in 2017. But. meanwhile it's all nonsense, right? That's almost less likely. Well, if you. look at what Dodie did in the 70s and.

80s with Paul Benowitz when when. Benowitz discovered this advanced. technology on Kirtland Air Force Base, you know, he called the base and said, "Hey, I think there's UFOs." So, they. send Dodie out. He was he was Air Force. Intelligence OSI. They sent him out to. Benitz and they and and he's like, "Paul, I think it think it might be. UFOs. It is aliens." And Paul, you know, Paul gets a little bit wacky and he. starts intercepting signals from outer. space and and they're sending him. messages, but it turned out it's really. the NSA rented a house across the street.

and Paul is committed at some point. And. then Dodie over the years changes his. story and in says no, a lot of it is. actually true. Um, but Dodie has also he. said as recently as 2019, Alputo put off. tried to recruit him for a. disinformation campaign with uh with. ATP. Really? So, how put off has been a. part of disinformation campaigns. allegedly? Allegedly forever. And what. have they been doing with these. disinformation campaigns? What have they.

been trying to muddle? Just to keep guys. like you and me fascinated and trying to. figure stuff out while they can just. operate their advanced technology in. peace. Like, let them think it's aliens. and UFOs. That's fine. What a dirty. thing to do to in the 50s. They were. very public about anti-gravity. It was. in the papers that, you know, the G. engine. They were talking about it and. then suddenly quiet. Yeah. Jesse. Michaels talks about that all the time. The Townson Brown. Yes. Yeah. Towns and. and uh Ning Lee. Remember her story? The.

physicist who Right. And then she died. in a car accident after she came back. from China. Oops. Oopsies. Mhm. Yeah. Yep. So that was So that was AC gravity. if you guys want to look that up. She. she used to give talks and all of that. She was funded by DoD for $400,000. So, we know that for sure. And then she just. goes dark. She goes dark for 11 years. Shows up I think in 2013. She's back. 2014 gets hit by a car.

Why is it so fun? I don't know. Mark. Mlan just found all that stuff. Ended up. killing himself. All this stuff is so. fun. which is why the Y files are so. good because it's like I always get the. same feeling when I watch your show. It's like, oh, what is the answer? What. is real? What is it? But it's what is it. about us that's so intrigued by these. mysteries? I mean, there's so much that. we know that is real. Just the just the. nature of the cosmos itself, of black.

holes and solar nurseries and all all. the wild that's absolutely real. But there's these things that are like, "Yeah, but what is that?" I I don't. think enough people are interested in it. to be honest. I think that's part of the. problem. Well, I don't you think it's. because for the most part it's dismissed. and if you engage in it. So like if. you're a normal person, not like you or. I, but if you're a person that has like. a job in an accounting firm, you're like. a very respected legitimate person,

especially like. pre207, pre the New York Times article, and you want to start talking about like. gravity propulsion systems that the. government's been hiding. And there's. back engineering programs. They've got. crash UFOs and there's one of them. It's. only like a couple hundred feet wide, but you go inside of it, it's the size. of a football field like Right. Like the. TARDIS. Yeah. Or the one in Korea that's. so big they had to build a building. around it because they couldn't move it. Right. I want to know what that is.

Same. Same. I don't I wish more people. were interested in it. I'm I would. almost be willing to run for president. just to get access. Just if I ran for. president, the company would be in. shambles, but everybody would know. everything about UFOs. Dude, you have no. shot. You have no Oh, I have no shot. They would kill me for sure. I can't I. can't believe the things you say are. news. Oh, yeah. Well, it's cuz news is. like really dead. Yes. They're they're. angry about about independent media. Well, they are, but it's also the news. is not So, their business is just.

clicks. And what better way to get. clicks than I said something crazy. And. so then, you know, and then it also kind. of supports the idea that we need to be. gatekeeped and someone needs to, you. know, be able to stop us from spreading. misinformation or my favorite term, malinformation. This is something that. came up during co that we need to stop. the spread of misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation. Malinformation is real information that.

is true and accurate but would be. negative in its impact to society, which is it's bonkers. We can't live in. that society. Well, that's they're. they're making us infants, right? They're saying, "We can handle this, but. the the vast majority of you, even. though we're all supposed to be equal. and the government's supposed to be. working for you and serving the people, no, we will have this information and we. will know what we're doing and you won't. be able to have access to it because. you're not ready for it because you're. too stupid." They lost. They lost.

already. They just don't know it yet. But they lost. Yeah, they lost a long. time ago. I'm going to I'm going to put. out an episode about how dragons are. real and when I get to the debunk, I'm. going to say nothing. They're real. Peace out. triangular spacecraft. What is this? Stumbled down a lower rabbit hole and. found a patent that exists or did exist. that was abandoned in 2006. This could. be the I forget the SR was it 7RB. There's a T3B. This is like the ones.

that they always see like the Phoenix. lights and that one. So it says a. spacecraft having a triangular hull with. vertical electrostatic line charges on. each corner that produce a horizontal. electric field parallel to the sides of. the hull. This field interacting with a. plane wave emitted by antennas on the. side of the hull generates a force per. volume combining both lift and. propulsion. What does all the math but like I don't. know how to do this math and if someone. Oh, we need to get Eric here. Someone.

can look at and be like that's not real. get Eric Weinstein to like do that math. Hasn't been made obviously or that we. know of it has and I'm surprised it's. not classified. Um there's other according to this. article though that's where I found it. There's what it was about the T3B thing, right? So that that's that's a real. experimental aircraft. Does America have. a reverse engineered UFO? Whoa. This goes back to 1991 with the Desert. Storm. There's reports of what they call. a. TR3A, which looks a lot like what the. stealth bomber kind of is, but also.

Whoa. Yep. No. TR3B is said to be like nothing we've. seen before. This was what the I got to from Liquid. Mercury. I was trying to find stuff. about it and there's theories that. people will say that like this is. probably what they're running off of. It's supposedly powered by a reverse. engineered anti-gravity drive that was. recovered from a crashed alien. spacecraft. The TR3B is where reports of. UAP performing seemingly impossible. aerial maneuvers intersect with stories.

about very real aircraft. Read the next. paragraph. There are lots of claims over. the internet about TR3B's anti-gravity. drive, most of which include using. nuclear power to rotate highly. pressurized mercury to produce plasma. and in turn a gravitational field. Whoa. Something about the mercury. Have you. ever heard Eric Weinstein talk about. this? Uh there's a college in upstate. New York that has an incredibly. overqualified physics department and.

they're attached to a hedge fund that. does Bernie Maidoff type numbers and he. thinks the whole thing is a cover for. some sort of advanced physics that they. have been keeping a lockdown on and it. would make total sense. I mean, SRRI. would be another good example of that, right? Where how where was in the 70s. with project Stargate and all of that in. Stanford. The idea that the government. can't keep secrets. Like, what about. Epstein? What? Come on. People ask me. all the time, in front of everybody's.

face and they've kept the list a secret. We're never going to see the list. Stop. asking me. You're not going to see the. list. Why not? Because everybody, all. your heroes are on it. And they're on it. a lot. It's never coming out. Yeah. And. you know, you know, I have a friend that. thinks like a lot of the world events. that you're seeing, one of the reasons. why people support it is because of. Epstein, because of the list, because. people are compromised because no one. can talk about things, you know, which. is like really W. So the government can. keep some secrets. Manhattan project was.

secret. They Yeah, they did a great job. with that. And that was one that, you. know, I mean, it was a race between us. and the other foreign powers. They were. all trying to come up with a nuclear. bomb first. We did it first. The idea. that there's no way that we could have. some sort of advanced propulsion system. and that modern physicists would be. aware of the state-of-the-art and they. would tell you, "Yeah, no, this is not. possible." I don't I don't think that's. correct. I think you could probably if.

you were working on something and you. had a very specific hierarchy and you. were really good at compartmentalization. and you were recruiting these people at. a very early stage in their career, people with promise, these geniuses, giving them a very high salary, a. prestigious position, but then. everything's locked down. Cell phones, email, they're under constant. surveillance. And if somebody steps out. of line, like the lady in Maryland, the.

Chinese lady. Yep. And a lot of them, a. lot of them go that way. Yeah. You know, I'm very I'm skeptical about a lot of. the whistleblowers, especially the ones. that come out of Air Force intelligence. and all that. But they do. Even when I'm. talking to them, I'm like, hm. Well, I. mean, you know, I have I kind of have. that needle of skepticism and it starts. with, do you have a background in. intelligence? Yes. Military. intelligence, Air Force intelligence. Are you are you still on the payroll? Did you get your information cleared. from the Pentagon? Do you have a book? Yeah. And it all goes, did you did you.

release some photos that were fake? I'm. over here. Then you go, Bob Lazar, he. has none of that stuff. Did the. government target you? Did they try to. discredit you? You know, have you been. ostracized? When when Lazar came out, I. think was to George Knap, he was he. didn't say his name, right? He didn't. have any books. The first book, I think, was with him and Jeremy in 2019, right? So Lazar to me is the most credible. of the whistleblowers, right? But um but. Jeremy and George just had a. whistleblower a couple of weeks ago.

who's pretty credible. He's a young guy. He's clear clearly nervous and he has. some very interesting information about. um what is it? Immaculate constellation. Which guy is this? I don't I don't. remember his name. It's very new. Is. that the bald guy? No. No. No. The bald. guy, I think, is Air Force intelligence. This is a kid whose career is ruined and. he's maybe in his 20s and you can see. he's clearly nervous. Um, and what is. his claim? His claim is that. he was going through some files, you.

know, he's got top secret clearance and. he found the Immaculate Constellation. project. Basically, a PowerPoint. presentation and his job was just to. sort these files. He and he's looking. through it and suddenly it's like, whoa, this is about recovery and alien craft. And uh, and he did the right thing and. went to his superiors and said, you. know, there's a leakage. I saw. information I maybe wasn't supposed to. I'm just letting you know. And his peers. were like, "Yeah, forget about it." And. he's like, "And that was it. It's just.

no reprimand, no nothing. I just went. back to work." But he was too fascinated. by the document, so he kept pursuing it. and pursuing it. And um and now he talks. about it. I don't know his name, but if. you track down, you know, Jeremy and. George, you'll find it easily. That's. the kid. Yeah. So, here's a way that I. would kind of try to debunk. that. If I was being logical, if I was. the government and I did have some very.

sophisticated propulsion system that's. beyond the understanding of what we. think to be current state-of-the-art. physics, like beyond far beyond that, I. think I might release a bunch of. horseshit about. UFOs%. Yeah, I might put a bunch of that. stuff out there to say, "Oh, it can't be. ours. It's not ours. It's it's not of. this world." Muddy the waters. Yeah. Not. Not just that, but. attach like really kooky stuff to stuff. that's real so that you think the real.

stuff is kooky, right? Like like the. drone scared. Remember that? That was. very manufactured and the the press was. all over. We don't know where the drones. are. They're all flying over the. military bases. All that stuff. What do. you think that was? I know what it was. I've seen the NOTAM reports. I don't Do. you know what a NOTAM is? No. That's a. notice to airmen. So, pilots, private. pilots get warning of no fly zones. And usually you'll see a lot of swaths. carved out if like Air Force One's. flying through, but for some reason,

these notam reports have all these. little circles all around that you can't. fly through where the drones were. And. I've seen that. And when did the drones. they suddenly stopped? When? Right. right before inauguration day. Yeah. And. no and no one talks about the drones. anymore. Yeah. It's gone. Gone. I mean, it was mainstream news all over the. place and they had people nervous. Yeah. They had them nervous and I think that. was the point. So, you think they did it. as a scop just to see how people would. react? I do. And remember, I know. nothing, right? Right. But that is my.

opinion is that it was a SC up and that. most of this is. if there are visitors and there are from. somewhere else. Wouldn't the best way to. prepare us is to start flying a bunch of. like really wacky that we have in. the air and not explain it. That would. be a good way to prepare us. get us. comfortable with seeing things hovering. over New Jersey that defy what our. understanding of drone capabilities are. in terms of the time that they can stay.

in the air. Some of them were in the air. like for 5 hours. But if but if that's. what was the reason to get us ready, it. backfired because it freaked people out. People were very nervous about it. Like. so our military installations are. vulnerable. People were very frightened. That was the other thing like Wright. Patterson Air Force Base had some drones. and then they had to shut the base down. and Wright Patterson is is like ground. zero for all of it. Project Blue Book. that Roswell Roswell went there. The. second crash. What's the second crash?

The second crash was some miles north. and west of there. And you'll hear Dodie. talk about it and that's where other. pilots were recovered. I think a total. of five or pilots the the EBEs. Oh, the. EBEs. Um, and according to to Dodie and. others, one of the EBS was stayed with. the government, I think in Los Alamos. for 5 years till 1952. There was EVA one. or whatever. Um, he liked strawberry ice. cream.

Who doesn't? Who doesn't, right? That'd. be the first thing I do if I went to. planet Serpos. What's the ice cream like. here? Well, just the idea that they. would eat like we eat seems crazy, right? And then also they could breathe. our air. Like what are the odds of that? Well, you know, the theories are, you. know, we never see alien or. whatever, but but there's always a. rebuttal is that, you know, they have a. metabolism that absorbs nutrients and. their waste is recycled and all of that. stuff. Photosynthesis or something like. that. Well, they do seem genderless.

Genderless, giant heads. You know, I. always say that the archetype like the. the grays like Close Encounter Grays, if. you go back to like Neander Dolls and. then you go back to like Australia. Pythecus covered in hair, heavily. muscled and then you go to like the. average dude who plays Call of Duty, you. know, like what do we do? I play Call of. Duty. It's fine. It's a great game, but. you know what I'm saying? It's like. people become like these frail. muscleless things and then your head.

keeps getting bigger and bigger as the. mind evolves and then human capabilities. increase in terms of like our ability to. communicate telepathically. All these. different no need for mouth noises. anymore. So your mouth shrivels up to. this little slit and why the eyes so big. and black because you're evolved. underground. Oh, I thought it was like. sunglasses built in. Well, it could be. the same. Like that's what I thought. I'm like, "Well, that looks like. sunglasses, right?" Like, if you got to. protect your eyeballs if like your.

atmosphere is far brighter and you know, you have to be able to see things. I. think that was there was one retrieval. story that that had that like one of the. black eyes was half open that they. thought it might have been something. like a little shield. Like a shield like. it's a legit recovery story. I can't. remember it off hand. Like camels have a weird shield over. their eyes for sandstorms, right? Yeah. like they have like an eyelid, a clear. eyelid that covers over their eyes. that's so they can like go through.

sandstorms and not get blinded. You know, it's an interesting point that. you brought up about Neanderls is and a. lot of people don't know that just just. about 50,000 years ago. Neandertols had. basically an empire. Yeah. Over over all. of Europe and and hundreds of thousands. of years. Hundreds of thousands of. years. And then suddenly boom, they're. defeated by frail, weak, hairless humans. out of caves. And it's attributed to we. figured out a bow and arrow, you know, we could harass from a distance.

projectile weapons and that's how we. defeated this vast empire of Neandertols. who were not stupid, you know, who were. bigger brains than ours. Bigger brains. than ours. They had art, culture, music. They trained in warfare. They had. organized warfare. I mean, can you. imagine staring down the barrel of a. division of organized Neanderls coming. at you, right? Like essentially super. athletes. Yes. With chimpanzee like. strength, right? And speed. Yeah. And. intelligence. And we came out of the.

caves and defeated them. Okay. And eyes. so large that they think their eyes. might have been they might have been. able to see nocturnally. Mhm. Yeah. I love that episode you guys did. on Neander Dolls. You debunked it at the. end, but the idea that they were like. more apeike than they were human. They. look like monsters, dark skin, fangs. Yeah, that was a cool episode. Mostly. debunked. But yeah, but I mean, there. probably was some hunting of humans, you know, for sure. And when you're.

dealing with something that's a far. superior physical specimen. Yeah. When. much denser bones, Sure. much stronger. than us. And when we know that we have. some of their DNA in us and it's you. know when when you hear oh we interbred. with them it's not precisely how it went. down most likely it's most likely the. women were carried away is what is. that's how the interbreeding happened. Yikes. Uhhuh. Yikes. Or horny men and. some lonely Neanderl lady. Some dudes.

like a big lady. There's no shame in it. Yeah. A big thick one to make you some. warrior children. That's it. Just want to be cup. Someone's just got dense. bones, you know? I'm looking for a lady. with a dense head. Let's have a dense. baby. Yeah. What do their. language sound like? What? It's like we. used to think of them as being really. stupid and until they realized that. their brain mass is actually larger than. ours and they were capable of language.

and all these different things like okay. like how did we beat them? I don't know. That is a puzzle that you know the. answer is projectiles. Well, it kind of makes sense. I mean, if. we were the only ones to figure out bows. and arrows and adeladles and all that. kind of stuff, it would work. Maybe. Yeah. Especially if we organized, you. know, but you could still overwhelm how, you. know, you could overwhelm a few archers. with just we would just throw bodies at. it. You know, warfare has been fought.

like that for humans forever. Maybe. their language is too crude to allow for. that kind of communication, like to. strategize and you know what I'm saying? Like maybe their language is like very. crude normal day-to-day stuff. I'm. hungry. I want to like let's kill. these people. It was not complicated. enough to say like we got an issue here. Here's the issue. We got to get around. them from the back end, you know, and. you guys got to distract them from the. front and this is what we'll do, you. know? I mean, that's the only thing that.

makes sense. Yeah, but it still doesn't. make complete sense to me. Why were. their brains bigger than ours? That's. the weird one. Like we associate larger. brains with more complex thinking. So. why would what we think of as the most. brutish version of human beings? I don't. know. But don't don't Neanderthal brains. even though they were larger had fewer. convolutions? So Oh, really? Do we know. that? Um I that's part of my research. which you know most of it's but. that's what I read. you know, large.

brain but not as powerful. But. interesting. Well, so maybe the large. brain was attributable to physical. capability. Just the fact that you can. produce music tells me a so so much. about your brain and they produce music. They produce music and art. How do we. know that? We found we found relics and. artifacts of it of musical instruments. Instruments and cave writing and all. that stuff. We you know they used. needles and thread to make clothing. Really? Mhm.

Wow. Yeah. Very strange that we beat. them. That's a Neanderthal tool. Flute. A flute. Neanderthal flute. Some sort of. flute. Whoa. A bone flute. made with the bone of your defeated. enemy. Yeah. Some dude you ate. Mhm. Made a flute out of his shin. They figured out that death whistle back. then, too. That's sort of musical. Oh, the Aztec death. It's not the same, but. Aztec death. That's That's a scary one. Yeah, Brian Callen blew it on this show.

in 2019 and COVID started right. afterwards. That's they summoned the. demons. Yeah, I think remember that? Yeah, that was January 2020. Oh, okay. It was like weeks weeks weeks before. Weeks before the lockdown. CO was. already here. Might have even been. closer. I think CO was already here by. then. It's like with the anti-gravity. Why can't we cooperate with the Chinese? Yeah. Nope. No. Well, we kind of we kind. we know how to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's also fascinating to me how many. different versions of human beings.

existed, you know. Um, there's um the. hobbit people on the island of Flores, right? That's a fascinating florian, something like that. Whatever it is. Yep. Yeah. The three-foot tall little. furry creatures that they think had. tools and Yep. wore clothing and all. that jazz. Yeah. And there's even the. different branches like Cro-Magn is not. really from our branch. That's that's a. different Yeah, we branch from a. different branch. So, Dennis Ovenans,

Dennis, Right. And then the what are the. big head people that they just found. recently? This is like super recent. Like there was a an article that was. made in December of 2024 about this. other new branch of the human species. that had much larger heads than ours. And they think it was like this really. thick, muscular, like heavy human being. What is it called again? Jewelry. Julen. Yeah. Big head people. Yeah. So, they.

disappeared around the same time as the. Anals 50,000 years ago. Have you seen. the images of what they the. reconstruction may see? Go to some of. the drawings of what these people look. like. They looked insane. Were. they taller? Uh I do not know. I don't. know how tall they were, but they look. cool as Yeah, there was. like a jack. Yeah, that's the one I. want. That's one, but that's not the one.

we were looking at. We're looking at one. that theorized that it was completely. covered in hair. Interesting. Yeah. So, this is a very. recent discovery. So, how many This is. the thing. I think something like 90% of. the the species that that ex have. existed we don't have fossils for but. that well I mean 99% of species ever. existed are gone right but fossils are. very difficult to happen because it has.

to happen in a mudslide somehow the body. has to be pres preserved and it's. mineralized right I don't know how many. dinosaur complete fossils we have of. like a T-Rex I don't even think we have. a complete one yet but one or two. billion T-Rexes lived and died on the. planet We have a couple of skeletons. Right. Billions. Right. Right. Yeah. And. it just makes you wonder when they're. finding things like this in 2024, how many are yet to be discovered? I. mean, how much of the ground's surface. has really been excavated to a very high.

level, right? Yeah. Very little. And and. it's and it's very difficult to even dig. there. I mean what's happening in Turkey. is a shame with Gobeclet, you know, just paving over it and. planting orchards on top of it. They. took they've taken down the orchards. They've taken down the Yeah. the olive. trees. The problem with that was that. and this is Jimmy Corsetti had talked. about this long ago that the the issue. with them doing this is the roots are. going to destroy the artifacts below. And they're like, "No, no, no, no, it.

won't." And then turns out actually it. is. So they had to pull them. And so. they they pulled the olive trees, but. they planted them purposely over the the. area, which is like I'm glad Corsetti's. out there. I like him and I know him. pretty well. And he's great. The Turkish. government, I think, has banned him and. is trying to get him in trouble here. Trying to get him sanctioned. Sanctioned? How do you sanction a guy. off YouTube? For what? Look, look, when you were when. when CNN was going after you and they.

were like trying to get Spotify to. cancel you, creators like me who go. against kind of mainstream were very. nervous because like if YouTube just. pulled my show, I'm kind of. right? Um so it's like if they could. take down Joe, we're done. Yeah. But. they, you know, Spotify with a lot of. respect hung fast. Yeah. We've talked. about that. Like if I wasn't on Spotify. and I was only on YouTube at the time, I. might have been Do you believe? They were taking people down for actual. real truthful information. Yes. That.

that was in their eyes malin information. that would cause vaccine hesitancy. Still no apologies. No. But it, you. know, it was a risky time, you know, to. be nonpolitically correct, you know, before it was safe to. Yeah. It was a a. very dangerous time and weird because. it's like instantly dangerous. Like it. wasn't like that before. Then all a. sudden like anything you could say could. get your career ruined. Yep. You know, and you're and again, everybody turned. out to be right. Everybody was right. that masks don't work. Everybody was.

right that the vaccine didn't stop the. infection, didn't. stop. It wasn't a vaccine. It has a. bunch of side effects. The the panggalan. is nonsense. I mean, we knew that all of. this. It was just intuitive. Um, the lab leak theory was racist. It. was. racist. Oh my goodness. The R word to. get They tried anything. They tried. anything they could to silence any. opposition. Why you were gonna say. something? Do you mind? You were gonna. say you had a quicker question. I think. I forget. We steamed over it, but we.

were talking about like the weirdness of. that time of how how dangerous it was. Like, you know, it was real touchandgo. It was real weird. There was like a lot. of forces that were trying to get me. removed because I was talking to people. that they were deeming quacks. One of. them, which is Robert Malone, who has. nine patents on the creation of mRNA. vaccine technology. These are rock solid. credentials these people had. They. weren't cooks like Jay Badacharia. All. these people are Stanford, MIT, Harvard,

all these the all the people from the. great Bington Declaration. These are the. legitimate researchers and scientists. that didn't agree with the narrative and. they were getting them removed from. Twitter and they had awards. through their careers, highly revered. and respected and then suddenly no it. didn't matter because these people. unfortunately had a conscience and they. were saying well this is not what I know. I am an actual expert and I do not think. that the information they're giving out. is correct so I'm going to speak my mind. and just they were just and then there's.

also a concerted effort by Fouchy like. and his group to go after these people. and to attack these people publicly. Yes. And um when it was very early on, I. forget even what paper, I had I released. an op-ed in some paper criticizing a lot. of this and lockdowns, you know, um like. my dojo was closed down and was trying. to fight with masks on. So, I was angry. and then within weeks of that, it. suddenly became politicized and I was.

like, "Now I'm Now it's a. political issue. How is it this a. political issue? Right? But it was it. was politicized. And I don't know why. I. don't know why. I don't know why it was. all shut down. I think it's all just. money. I think the vaccine companies. wanted to make as much money as. possible. And then anything that. contributed to vaccine hesitancy was not. for the greater good of public health. It was because the more vaccine. hesitancy, the less profit they would. have. I think it's real simple. H Yeah, I agree. But that's really gross. It is. gross. But it's also gross that they.

would prescribe it for children because. it was totally unnecessary. So the only. reason why they would prescribe it for. children or mandate it for children to. get into schools is because they wanted. to make as much money as possible. And. they made an insane amount of money. So. it did work. It was effective. But boy. did it destroy a lot of credibility. It. certainly did. And it definitely worked. um where my wife was working they it was. a mandatory vaccine situation but it she. was working remotely so didn't really. have to get it but I can see her that. the narrative was starting to catch with.

her and I'm like honey hold fast this is. this is a story you know it was a. leftwing company and they're just. following the narrative they don't just. hold fast don't get that shot and she. didn't yeah luckily I know people that. did and I know people that have real. problems right now. Same. Yeah. Like they got long CO suddenly. Yeah. And it's weird that long CO is something. that mostly affects people that have. gotten vaccinated, but they want to call. it long CO. They don't want to call it.

vaccine injury. Nope. It's just the. whole thing is like very creepy because. it just shows you if something is like. very clear and obvious and it's a real. disease and we know the origin of it now. and we know that all this stuff has been. done to obscure it. How many other. elements of society, how many other. stories that are in the news have also. been distorted and twisted around in. order to promote a very specific. narrative and how effective have they. been at doing this? It's not like this. is the only time they've ever done this.

So CO was kind of a window into. disinformation and about how the. government can use these ps of. manipulation and you know using these. tactics of humiliation, humiliating. these established scientists, ruining. their careers, attacking their. credentials and what what other things. have they used these on? What other you. know geopolitical aspirations have they. masked in all this Like it's.

the whole thing is just like it's very. disconcerting to find out that the. people that have been running the. country are super comfortable with. lying. Here's the good news is the irony. of CO is the forces that were forcing us. to be locked down and stay home gave. rise to independent creators and. journalists and independent thinkers and. folks like. you. And because of their forcing the. lockdowns, they destroyed their own. industry. Yeah. And there's no going.

back. I mean, I haven't watched MSNBC or. Fox News in years. And you turn it on, it's like, gh, this is just I hear the. same stuff from the left and the right. I just hear the same stuff. I get my. news from YouTube, from all different. sources, and that's what I want. And. they destroyed their own industry. Yeah. And it's interesting to see like what. what is it going to look like, you know, 5 10 years from now because 5 10 years. ago, you never 10 years ago, you never. would have imagined that CNN would lose. all its credibility. No, that was we. watched, you know, Desert Storm on.

there, everything. Always when you. wanted to get the news and it was always. also CNN was thought of being as this. like sort of nonpartisan environment for. the news. It just showed you what the. news was and then somewhere along the. line it became very editorialized, very. opinion-based and very, you know, these. people telling you to do your own. research, do not do your own research. Like imagine saying don't read, right? Don't read. You're not smart enough. AJ, right? You think you can go read, right,

and absorb information? You're not smart. enough to absorb information. Leave that. to the experts. Don't listen to Rogan. He takes horse pills. Got that from his. doctor. You It's also calling it horse. dewormer was so stupid because everybody. knows used on humans. Oh, Ivormectton's. in my cabinet. But it's just a simple. Google search would tell you that. something's wrong. That's required. medication for foreign service. Yeah. So, it's one of those things where you. wonder after something like that has. been happening, well, this seems like a. playbook they're really comfortable with.

using, how many other things have they. used this on? Like, what are what other. aspects of society are just complete. horseshit? When did it really start, right? You know, I you know, probably. during the 40s, maybe even before. because if you read Wars a Racket by. Smemedley Butler, that was 33. General. Butler. Yeah. The the business plot. general. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He He was a. very very honest guy. Yeah. Yeah. If you. guys don't know, the business plots. worth looking into. That was They tried. to recruit him to overthrow the.

government. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz he had all. the troops at his disposal. Yeah. Yeah. That was wild. They were going to have a. coup. They were going to have a United. States. Yeah. And nobody has answered. for that. That's that's the JP Morgans. and that whole set. So this kind of. thinking has been going on forever, you. know. And then there's also kind of. gatekeeping of information like hiding. the truth from people in order to. preserve narratives in order to preserve. power and authority. Well, let's connect.

let's go back to to Butler for a quick. second. You've got Tesla who gets funded. by JP Morgan to create wireless. technology, but Tesla gets a little. ambitious and says, "I'm going to do. wireless communication, but I'm I'm. going to take your $150,000. I'm going. to do wireless energy and we'll do free. energy around the world." And Morgan's. like, "How do you put a meter on that?". Tesla's like, "What do you mean this. propel mankind forward?" Morgan pulls. his funding, tells everyone in the. investment class, "This guy's a a cook, and if you invest with him, you don't do. business with me." A few years later,

Warden Cliff Tower gets torn down. Tesla. dies in poverty. Yeah. And where are. those 20 boxes? Yeah. And why why was. the government so quick to respond to. that crime scene? Yeah. They showed up. at that guy's house quick. They gathered. up all that information. I wonder what. they got from that. Uncle Uncle Uncle. John Trump there was in charge of that, right? What did they get in those boxes? Donald Trump's uncle reviewed Tesla's. death ray secrets and found mysterious. royal letters. I think they Well, he. looks like a Trump, doesn't he? He kind.

of does. That's what Trump would look. like if he didn't do the comover. Wasn't. he working out of Wright Patterson as. well? Was he for. this? Wright Patterson is a weird place. Like they think that that's where one of. them is. Yes. Yeah. You know the the. Nixon story with Jackie Gleason? Uh I. know that Gleon was into UFOs. Tell the. story. The story is Gleon got into UFOs. because him and Nixon were drinking one. day and Nixon was like, "You want to see. some I wish I was drinking with.

that. Can you imagine?" And then he. takes them. He flies them out to. wherever the base is and shows him a. crashed UFO and these bodies that they. have in freezers. And it was right. Patterson. I do not know. I do not know. I don't know if Jackie Gleason ever said. the story came from Gleon's wife and it. was an article in some sort of a. magazine. But then there's the house. that Gleason built in upstate New York. that looked like a UFO. Like Gleon built. a home. Yeah. That was like like a disc.

I'm going to look into this. It's such a. good story. I wonder where they went. Reportedly would have been in Homestead. Air Force Base. It might be in Florida. in 73. I think that's where they were. when they when they were playing golf. and bombed was reportedly shown embalmed. bodies of four alien beings. Don so. Nixon exposes the UFOs to a civilian and. then it does not go well for Richard. Nixon after that. Well, I think what. went badly for Richard Nixon was that. Richard Nixon was inquiring as to who.

killed JFK and he said he thought he. knew and he was kind of talking about it. publicly and they're like, "Okay." Yep. And they had already, you know, brought. in Gerald Ford, kicked out Spiro Agnu. They got rid of him. Gerald Ford, who. was also in the Warren Commission. report. That's right. They And then all. of a sudden Nixon and Watergate happens. Nixon the most popular president of all. time. Of all time. And it turns out that. Bob Woodward was actually an. intelligence agent. And this is his. first project ever. Operation. Mockingbird. And then the people that. were involved in the breakin, all FBI,

they Gordon Litty. Yeah. The whole thing. is a coup. Whole was a coup. always. Yeah. And we're all paring, you know, oh, Nixon was a crook, that guy was a. crook, he was this or that. Like, they. did a great job. The scop was wonderful. I'm a psych. They say it over and over. Yeah. It's all really, really. interesting stuff. But it's. just, you know, what what come what it. boils down to with stuff like your show, like how much of it is how much is real,

you know, and when you have these. mysteries. One of the amazing things. about mysteries is you're never going to. run out of topics. No, there's so many. of these things. And as long as there's. a US government, I'm I'm good. As long. as the CIA exists, they're always going. to be hiding something. But it's the the. fun ones are always the alien ones. That's the most fun ones. The alien. ones, the ancient civilization ones. Like what do you think when when you go. over the Bob Lazar story? Like what what.

do you how much of you think how much of. you cries How much of you is. like. hm more on the wh side? I think he's the. most credible whistleblower because he. he didn't profit from didn't profit and. they I mean they prosecuted him for run. for running a prostitution ring, you. know, which maybe he was which I think. he was. I he pled down to pandering, but. he they also raided him during the. Jeremy Corbel documentary. While they're. filming the documentary, the FBI raided. his facility. Mhm. And they said they.

were looking for something. And. supposedly he has a version or a a. sample of stable element 115. What? That's supposedly Yeah. And that's. supposedly what they were looking for. Of course, supposedly he had gotten that. from the lab and when when he was at S4. and that he had managed to smuggle out a. stable chunk of this element 115. And. there was a video that George Knap had. from back in the 80s where Lazar was.

demonstrating how this stuff bends light. and you know what it does like it has. weird effects. How soon after that raid. was 115 is now called Moscow. How soon. after that raid was 115 synthesized? I. think it was synthesized in Russia. It. be well synthesized by a particle. collider and so the the when they got it. is a very. temporary quickly dissolving form but. they proved its existence. And. supposedly what Lazar is saying wherever.

these beings are from they obviously. have a completely different environment. and they have a stable version of this. this element. Yep. And this element is. crucial to this gravity propulsion. system that it's a part of this reactor. It gets bombarded with radiation, produces this gravity field, allows you. to just slingshot through the the. universe. I I don't know. Are they working to. stabilize it? You know, I don't know. what's going on behind the scenes, man. I don't Why would they raid Bob Lazar?

That So that's that spectrum of. believability again. Exactly. Here's a. guy who's being attacked and tormented. in the middle of filming a documentary. I mean, I just had my fi first IRS. audit. I don't know how you're doing. Oh, what' you do? I didn't do anything. I don't work in weed anymore. What do. you think they were auditing for you. for? What? What? What? When you go over. all your episodes, I'm sure it's just a. coincidence. What do you think? Definitely coincidence. What do you. think are the most problematic? Uh, most.

problematic for me are probably this the. um the CIA ones. I the one I did that. ended with the Agent Orange kind of. expose was a kind of a dangerous one. I. it was the dark history of DARPA and all. the bad stuff that DARPA's done since uh. since its founding. It's done some. horrible horrible horrible stuff. And. that was an episode I was afraid to. release. There's been a couple of those. You know, MK Ultra is kind of afraid to. because I names. A scary one was um how. Lyme disease might have been a lab leak.

Yeah, that's a weird one. That's Bobby. Kennedy fully believes that. It was Eric. Trout was like the chief Nazi bow. warfare specialist that was brought here. operation paperclip and that we do know. that there have been some studies done. where they were trying to devise. diseases that they could aerial spray. whether it's through bugs or something. onto a population overwhelm their. medical system so they'd be easier to. defeat.

Yeah. The entire enemy super weak. Everybody's weak over there. And then. also documented. is some ticks got out. Some ticks got out. So it's, you know, when you look at Lime Connecticut as. ground zero and it just spreads from. there and there was no Lyme disease. before. That's a scary one to release. Yeah. Um but whenever I get into. Operation Paperclip, I always hammer. home these are Nazis. We, you know, Verer von Brown is not a hero. He's a.

hero, but he's not a hero. You know, a. lot of these guy, these is all evil. dudes. And most of the Operation. Paperclip was just bringing over. intelligence assets. They don't like. talking about that. It's the 1,200. scientists that we learn about. It's not. the 6,000 intelligence agents that just. lived here until the 70s and 80s, right? All with their dueling scars on. their faces. Scary looking dudes like right out of. Indiana Jones, right? SS on the. shoulder. And that's what was a part of. NASA that was running NASA. Like Warner.

von Braonn was an actual Nazi and he was. the head of NASA. He and SS Nazi. So the. V1 rocket program killed 3,000 people in. London but killed 30,000 Jewish slaves. building the rocket. You know, way 10. times more people died building the. thing. And if you didn't work hard. enough in the rocket factory, they would. just hang you from the rafters. But Von. Brown said he didn't know anything about. it. and all of his team said, "We we. didn't know anything about it." Okay, well, that's convenient. Well, every.

time I bring up someone who's from. there, I just remind everybody, these. are Nazis. These are liars. These are. bad dudes. That doesn't mean, you know, they're not they didn't do amazing. things for America because you could do. both. Yeah, that's what's weird. You. know, the V1 rocket eventually becomes. Saturn 5, which takes us to the moon. Allegedly. Allegedly. Allegedly. That's. allegedly. That's my favorite one. Same. Did you ever see the episode I did with. Bart Sabrell? Um, yes. And I talked to. Bart from time to time. He's Boy, he's.

all in. All in for decades. Eventually, I'm going to do a conversation podcast. and uh he'll be one of the first guys I. have on. I had dinner with Bart Sabrell. in like the year. 2000 2003 or something like that. I had. dinner with him in Los Angeles. I uh I. had seen a funny thing happen on the way. to the moon. Which what year was that? Great documentary. What year was The. Funny Thing Happen on the Way to the. Moon released? So, it was like shortly.

thereafter somehow. I do I do not even. remember how I got connected with him, but we had dinner in Los Angeles at this. Italian restaurant. I sat down with him. 2001. 2001. Yeah. So, it was probably. around 2003 that that Bart and I had. dinner and then, you know, 22 years. later, I had him on the podcast. I I. need to look still going after it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He still emails me and I'm. like, Bart, I'll have you on. I'm just. I'm still building the studio. Well, he's so all in on this. And the more you. talk to him, the more you go, god damn. it, he might be right. He might be. I.

debunk a lot of his claims. Not all of. them, you know, like the parallel. shadows and and how there shouldn't a. shadow on the moon should be completely. black, but that's not really true. And. shadows, well, things are reflective and. the surface is reflective. That's part. of the issue. But the parallel shadows. are weird. Like you could find a. reason why these intersecting shadows. could exist, but it also could be more. than one source of light. Sure. It's.

there's more there's a lot of weirdness. to it. And shadows are not parallel. They don't work that way. Shadows. disappear to the to the to the horizon, right? You know, there are no parallel. shadows, right? But going in completely. different directions is very odd. It uh. it's odd. It's very odd. that that's not. nearly as odd as I mean there's so many. different things you know there's. there's so many things like how goofy it. looks when that craft lifts off from the. moon and takes off at space it's.

wobbling around like it's on a. string looks like it's on a string and. you know the camera tracks it nicely. pans from where from from Houston with. what 7se second delay or whatever how. about the fact that Nixon is on the. phone with them in real time. In real. time like you don't got a delay there. would be with 1969 technology. communicating like one of the reasons. why Gus Gisham you know the the big.

theories that Gush Gisham was murdered. because he wasn't willing to go along. with it. Gus Gisham hung a lemon on the. lunar module because he wasn't wasn't. able to communicate with the tower from. Earth. it the communication system. wasn't working and he's like this is a. lemon and he puts a lemon on a. coat hanger and hangs it on the thing. and then well let's go back and look at. the original films and we maybe we'll. learn something oh they they don't have. them anymore gone they're gone what. about the telemetry data that's really. important gone uh the episode I did on.

the on the moon which is a fun one I. even have a NASA scientist saying we. don't know how to redo the technology we. just lost it didn't write anything down. or. And then there's the reality of the Van. Allen radiation belts. That's true. That. it could be explained scientifically. Can it? The the radiation is high particles, high voltage, all that. But they're. spread wide apart, so you just got to go. really fast through them, right? But it. took hours to get through it. It did. It.

did. But they still were moving fast. Or. it would kill everybody. Or it would. kill everybody. That this is one of the. Nobody but the Apollo astronauts ever. got through that. What I would say is. like they never even flew a chicken. through that and had it come back. alive. No. And they're just going to try. it out with people. Leica the dog did. not survive when they threw Leica up. there. Well, how about Operation. Starfish Prime where they they shot a. nuke into there to try to blow a hole. through it and it wound up making it. more radioactive. Of course, they. thought they were going to blow a hole.

right in the Van Allen radiation belt so. they could just pop through that hole. Right. And and now thanks to that, we've. got the South Atlantic anomaly where. there's just no protection anymore. We. appreciate all that. They blew out the. power in Hawaii, right? Yeah. They. up the grid. They were detonating. nukes in space. Really crazy. People in the 1950s and60s. were a buck wild. They were. They were. just They had so much power. There was. no internet. There was no oversight. And. they were doing things that like were. completely new, like nuclear bombs. And.

they're like, "Let's see if it does. this." Even Oppenheimer, they didn't. know it was going to happen. They had a. more than 0% possibility that it was. going to cause a chain reaction that. would destroy the entire environment of. the Earth. Yes. And they were like, let's see. Well, we got to try it. There's only one way to know. Mhm. Detonate it. And then and something like. Bikini Atol, which I think was Castle. Bravo, was like three times more. powerful than they thought. You know,

it's like we're going for 10 kilotons, but we got 30. Dude, you got to carry. the one. Be care be careful. Just be. careful. Carry the one. I don't even. know why we mess with it. Yeah, it's. Well, it's too late. The genies out of. the bottle. So, if you had a bet, if you. had $100,000 and you can give bet we. went to the moon, we didn't go to the. moon. That money is not enough. But, uh, gun. to the head. Gun to the head. Gun to the. head. We went to the moon without.

people. I would that's what I would go. with. But let me preface by saying my. head I'm like a bobblehead. I go back. and forth and I can be be convinced one. way or the other. It's a it's a very. complicated issue. Like I can be. convinced both ways. There's also the. weird footage that looks like they're on. wires where they're pulled up when they. fall down. You could see the. reflections. Uhhuh. Yeah. Yeah. I get. into it's it's a good episode. I get. into all that. I cover cover Bart Buzz.

Aldrin knows how to throw a shot kind of. get his hip into it. Old shoulders. But. it's also the thing is like every other. technology from 1969 is cheaper, easier, and faster to reproduce today except the. moon landing, right? That no one has. ever done it again. No one has ever even. been to not human beings have ever even. been in deep space. I you and there's no. I don't know why. You know, if we could. 3D print anything, why don't we send a.

3D printer up into orbit and then every. time Elon launches a Starlink, just. bring some substrate, bring some wire, and just deliver it there every time. Because you're going to do 10,000 of. them. Just bring some wire, bring some. wire, bring some aluminum, and we can. just build the stuff in orbit. We don't. have to worry about escaping gravity. Just build stuff up, 3D print stuff in. orbit. It sounds a little more complicated than. you're making it out to be, but I see. what you're saying. Well, you know, the. film footage, the loss footage that. Sabre had is also very compelling where.

it looks like they're filming the moon. from, you know, 30,000 miles out, but. then when they pull the covers off the. windows, it shows you they're actually. in near Earth orbit. It fills up the. whole window. And they even say in that. film, we've got the camera right up. against the window. We no one can get in. between it. But then someone walks in. and then you see what looks like a like. a piece of plastic gohu and then. everything opens up. Uhhuh. That's a. hard one to explain. It is. And not for.

public display. Not for That's. absolutely right. It's And also the the. Why would you ever delete all of the. original. film? What why would you destroy the. original film? Why would they lose the. telemetry data? And we don't even have a. direct feed because they broadcast the. feed on a wall and then pointed a TV. camera at the wall. Yeah. And that's. what we see. Yeah. That's why it looks. so shitty on television in 1969 cuz the.

networks were like, "Hey, can we get the. live feed?" And NASA as like, "Ah, you. don't need that." It's so weird. It's. weird. It's a weird one. It's also just. weird that we keep saying we're going to. go back and we still never even get out. of Earth's gravity or never even get out. of Earth's atmosphere or Earth's orbit. rather. As soon as the Chinese start. mining like helium 2 or whatever, we'll. get we'll get there. And people always. say, "Oh, well, there's photographs of. the the the lunar lander on the moon. You can see it." Like, how'd they get. that buggy up there? How'd they piece.

that buggy together in that little tiny. ass lunar module? Because you. can see the tracks up there if you know. if you believe the stuff, right? What. does that mean? How easy is to There's. There's video of me selling Kentucky. Fried Chicken. Oh, I got to look that. up. There's like You know what I'm. saying? I got to write that down. It. might not even be Kentucky Fried. Chicken, but it's like there's AI video. of me hawking all kinds of stuff that. I've never even seen. I know. You show. up in my feed. I'm like, "Oh, he's. selling chicken." It's all fake. But. that is easy to fake because it's blurry. blurry nonsense photos. In my episode on.

the face on Mars, I show exactly how. NASA copy and pasted cloud formations. I. You literally see it's the same cloud. formations. And then you see the Mars. photos. They copy and pasted chunks on. Mars. They did that. Like I didn't make. that up. I just What do you mean by. that? They copy and pasted chunks on. Mars. You've got this Martian rock face. Sidonia. Sidonia is where the face was. and the alleged city and all kind square. and the square is crazy and square. But.

that's a recent one that we've been. seeing. Y that one's nuts. Sidonia was. one of the original landing places and. they changed it at the last minute. Why? I land there and go to the face. Let's. see. Because if if you don't know the. story about the face on Mars, the first. image is it does look like a face and. then suddenly the images got blurrier. and then it was just kind of a plateau. It was, you know, paridolia. It wasn't. really a face, right? Well, then land. there. Drive, you know, Sonora over.

there, whatever. Let's have a look. What's crazy is that the face is sort of. right down the street from the square. Yes. The square to me is way more. compelling than the face. Because if the. second images were more clear and it. really is just how do you say that word. again? Paridolia. Paridolia. If that's. really what it is, that kind of makes. sense. Because the first one's like real. blurry and shitty and it was from the. 70s. True, right? But this square is. nuts, right? It looks it looks. geometrical, you know, right angles and. an actual square or at least similar to.

a square. It looks like a structure made. out of right angles and it's on the. moon. I showed it to Elon Musk. He's like, "Oh, very interesting. We. should probably go up there, look. around. We should. I mean, they're. finally admitting that Mars used to have. an an atmosphere and and oceans, giant. oceans. They found frozen water on Mars. Yeah. Which is like, okay. Yep. Well, if. we go back millions and millions of. years, like what what did it look like? What was going on there? Remember they. sent Joe McMonagle to remote view back.

on Mars? Oh, what did he say? He said he. saw giant tall beings there in a very. advanced society. And um Joe McMonicle. is part of the project Stargate remote. viewer. So that he goes into his thing. and he's he's drawing the aliens and the. the cities and all that, but he didn't. know where he was looking. They you know. they wouldn't tell you at first and then. he's done. He comes out of his. transport, whatever, opens the envelope. and it says Mars with coordinates 1. million BC or something. He said he saw. stuff and Stargate again with Ingo Swan.

saw all kinds of stuff on the far side. of the moon which I don't see I don't. hear covered a lot with Ingo but he. remote viewed the moon because he always. wanted to do more stuff. He's like I. don't want to look at a bridge. I want. to go to the moon and he said he saw. structures on the far side of the moon. that sound a lot like Carl Wolf um. disclosed in 2001. Carl what what did he. disclose? Carl Wolf um Air Force airman. He's basically a technician. Fix it. Think of a a Xerox repairman. He he has.

to fix some imaging equipment for. NASA/DOD. It's images from the from the. moon surveyor. So he goes in. It's a. dark room. The guy's working there. The. guy's like, "Carl, look at this. It's. pictures of the dark side of the moon. He sees domes, towers, roads, all kinds. of stuff." And he can't believe it. And. Carl goes home and he told his wife, "I. can't wait to see this on the news. This. is crazy what we found on the like this. is a civilization on the moon and it. just it just goes away. Um and Carl Wolf.

said he saw that if you remote viewing. no photographs. He saw photographs. He. saw photographs of it. He saw. photographs. Who took the photographs? It was the moon surveyor satellite that. takes pictures all the time. It's it's. like we we have images. We have stuff. around the moon. I don't know why. there's no webcam, you know? I don't. know why we can't just tap into the. satellite up there or something. They're. they're there. Just send a signal back. I I read that they just got like 5G.

working in space. Send us send us a. signal. Put a webcam on the ISS. Let us. tune in. Um so Carwolf saw that stuff. Ingo Swan saw the same things, but he. saw actual beings there and he said they. were able to sense his consciousness and. he like snapped out of it. He said, "Aliens are on the far side of the moon. and they are not our friends." It's a. very interesting story. In English Swan, very interesting cat. So, what took. these photographs? Uh, the moon.

surveyor, lunar surveyor, what. satellite? None of that stuff's ever. been released. Oh, they released a lot. of images from the far side, but they. release what they release. That's why we. know there's fewer impacts on the far. side because we've seen those images. But there's no images of these domes or. whatever. No. No. I've seen some that. maybe are faked that look pretty. compelling. Um I forget what episode I I. had to show them in, but when I found. them, I I was it was mind-blowing. And I. can't find them again for some reason.

Like I can't I wanted them for another. episode and I I can't find the photos, which is always suspicious to me. It's. like the It's like suddenly the thing is. blurry off of off of Malibu. You just. can't find the stuff. But um so I you. know my gut tells me something's going. on up there. Someone's aware of it and I. just I'm dying to know what it is. It. would be unbelievable if Mars was the. first planet that had life before Earth. was capable of supporting life. It.

reached a very high level of. sophistication then started seeding. Earth. Right. Penspermia theory. Yeah. I. believe we have uh at least one rock. from Mars that just landed here. I think. we have one of those. So from maybe a. giant impact or something through some. of Mars over here. D. But the idea I. think is that their atmosphere was. deteriorating or that they were getting. further and further from the sun. The. the their magnetic field was weakening, strips away the atmosphere. And so this.

would be the thing if you were a super. advanced civilization. The race would be. get so advanced that you could leave. your planet. Yes. And that's the only. way you're going to survive because. eventually your planet is going to move. over millions of years further and. further away from the sun, not able to. inhabit life anymore, right? So maybe. send your DNA or whatever to the third. rock or Anunnaki or Anunnaki. That's the. good one. Yeah, they show up everywhere.

That's the ultimate one. That is the big. one. That Anunnaki is the big one. Yeah, that's that's a good one. That's that's. one that makes you go home because it. shows up everywhere. It shows up in the. Bible. It shows up in the Mahabarata. Shows up in ancient Chinese literature. Shows up everywhere. Not always called. the Anunnaki, but uh the Anunnaki. And. then they have their ser their surviile. species that could be the Nephilim, could be the giants. And then they take. take these primitive humans, give them.

just enough intelligence to mine, you. know, to mine the gold. It's part of the. lore. Yeah. It's a good one. Oh, it's. the best one. It's the best one because. when you do look at ancients and you you. look at their detailed map of the solar. system, you're like, "What the is. that?" Like, "How did they figure that. out?" Right? Like, you're talking about. 6,000 years ago, they had depictions of. the planets all in the proper area. Like, they weren't the exact right size,

but like the bigger ones were in the. place where the bigger ones would be, the smaller ones in the place where the. smaller ones would be. was. representative and the sun looks like a. sun like it's got the rays around it. right showing that this is the center of. the solar system right and this is two. what how many thousands years before. capernicus right didn't even know um. something I don't think doesn't get. enough attention is when these ancient. cultures are obsessed with equinoxes. a lot of people think equinox is when. day and night are the same but that's. that's not what that is when day and.

night are the same is called equal and. it's different for everybody on earth. depending where you are an equinox is. when the sun is over the center of the. earth's equator. Well, how did you know. there was an. equator? So, Stonehenge is aligned to. the equinoxes. How did you know there. was an. equator? And how, you know, how is the. the pyramid the sizes are directly. divisible to a number like 43200 that. could be factored in to calculate the.

circumference of the earth? So you can. calculate the equinox. How did they do. that? Right? And how is it pointed to. true north, south, east, and west? How. did they do that? Why does it mirror the. stars of the Orion belt? But mirrors. them 30,000 years ago because of. procession, right? So I'm in the camp that the Egyptians. found the pyramids, not built them. But. I'm glad Zahi is not here. Well, that would, you know, get you to. the ancient civilization theory. But.

when you're looking at an ancient. civilization that is as complex as Egypt. and then you factor in the Anunnaki. story and all these other things, you. got to think like why were the Egyptians. so advanced? Like where did they learn. this from? Christopher Dunn has the. answer with the power plant. Power. plant. Yeah. Is that what you think? You know, it's one of my favorite. episodes because I You know, you can. either watch My Stupid Thing with the. fish or the better thing is to just buy. Chris's books and and read the science.

Oh, don't be a sheep. Don't be Don't be a sheep. Um, the next. one's going to have taxes. For people. who don't know, uh, if you haven't. watched the show, Hecklefish talks. from the aquarium during the entire. show. It's really a funny little It. makes the show fun because it's like. shows you're not totally taking it. seriously. You have a talking fish who. talks to you the entire time. What. I'm trying to do is take weird topics, complex topics, break them down, make. them accessible to everybody, have a.

good time, get you thinking on your own. If I get things wrong, that's okay. As. long as you go out and just get. interested in stuff. That's what I'm. trying to do. Have fun and get you. interested. Have you been looking at all. under the structures underneath the. pyramid? Yes. I'm I I'm skeptical of. that research cuz if you look at the. imaging it I don't see the coils or any. of that stuff. I don't see it. Um they. also said they found the tomb of. Nefertiti. No, this tomb of Osiris, but. it just looked like splotches on on on.

radar. And they also they haven't. released any of that information to the. scientific community. Nothing's. peer-reviewed. But when it first hit the. news, I was like that supports the power. plant theory, the coils and all that. Mhm. But I have a feeling that their. research will be debunked. Hope I'm. wrong. Really? Well, they they re released more of it. and the because they released more of it. and the conversations that Graham. Hancock and Brian Mur Rescue had with. them. Well, they were initially. skeptical as well. They've come around. more to thinking that these guys might.

be on to something because they've done. this multiple times now with multiple. scans. They keep getting the same. results. And it does kind of look like. coils when you look at the images. First. of all, the pillars, the fact these. pillars are uniform and they see and. then the fact that the structure goes. down two kilometers into the earth. Y. like maybe people 4,500 years ago were. so motivated as Zoe said that it's like. this is the project of the entire. country, the pride of the country. Okay,

maybe maybe. But two kilometers down. like we're starting to get real crazy. I. mean, if you look at the so like the. temp Kufu pyramid is like perfect and. then you you look at the pyramids that. were built later that we know were. Egyptian built and it's like the timu. version. It's like you didn't you're not. even it's like a mess. It's just a pile. of rocks. Yeah. Where where the Great. Pyramid is precise and there's no. reasons for these different chambers and. the chemical residue. Why? And why are.

there copper rods going down into the. aquifer, which is exactly the technology. Tesla was using at Warren Cliff Tower, the same exact technology. Why? You. know, there's hydrochloric acid. We have. evidence of that. And we've got the uh. zinc sulfide and it creates hydrogen. atoms that go up the gallery and then. there's an opening that's exactly the. right wavelength for hydrogen to flow. through and it resonates at 440 hertz. and it makes an F# chord. And you've got. the it's tuned inside the king's chamber. to exactly that chord or you know maybe.

it's just a place for a dead. guy. You know the why use rose quartz. which is so highly you know the rose. granite is so dense with quartz. It's. very rare but it creates a lot of pio. electricity when you apply pressure to. it and hydrogen could do that if you if. you pumped it through the the king's. chamber. It's so fascinating to me that. the gatekeepers are so they're they're. so reluctant to even consider any. possibility that it might have been. something other than what they've.

initially asserted. It's frustrating, but it it it ruins their career and. their reputation. It's like everything. you said was wrong over time. I I have a. buddy who just went to Egypt and he. hired these two archaeologists to take. him on a tour and both of them were. saying there is no way the original the. the actual mainstream story is accurate. They're like there's no way like this. stuff is beyond. And then as he was like. going through it with him he said he was. just blown away. He said I. haven't been but he said you could look. at it all day on television and on your.

laptop when you go there you're just. like what the I'd love to see it. Yeah. We should go together. Let's do. it. Let's go. Let's go. Zahi wants me to. go with him, but I just don't think I. could. I think after an hour, I'd be. like, "Dude, I got to get away from. you." Yeah. You're freaking me out. He'll ruin everything. I discovered. this. This is my discovery. Yeah. Just. He didn't even mention the limestone. from tour. Didn't even touch on it. What's the significance of that? Uh,

it's a great insulator of electricity. It's also mined from very far away. We. know it was definitely there. Herodotus. talked about the limestone pyramids that. could be seen from the mountains of. Arabia. So Herodotus, they were still. there. We know that the limestone facing. was there because a lot of it was looted. after a couple of earthquakes. They. built bridges out of it. You can go. touch it. It's there. Um but he didn't. talk about it. But if the pyramid power. plant theory is true, then you use the. limestone as an insulator. Inside you've. got the granite which creates this piso.

electricity and then you've got this. other limestone in between that kind of. keeps everything modulated. So if it was. a power plant like what was it powering. and how was it doing that? That's the. big problem I have is, you know, so if. Tesla wanted to project this energy into. the ionosphere and then we can everyone. could tap into it with some type of. receiver like a radio, but there's no. evidence I can find of them powering. anything. So, we can make the the.

argument that maybe if the capstone were. gold, this energy could resonate through. the center of the pyramid, come up. through the golden capstone, and then go. straight into the ionosphere. And we. know that the pyramid will resonate at. certain frequencies and amplify it. that's been tested at about 200 meters. is the ideal wavelength. But the only. other theory is the obelisks at some. point were these receivers. But there's. no evidence that they powered anything. But maybe they used the energy for. something different. I don't know. And. if we're looking at the wrong timeline,

if we're not really looking at 2,500 BC, if we're looking at 30,000 BC or. something even before that, which is. also a weird thing that Zahi dismissed. He dismissed this idea of the king's. list that goes back 30,000 years, right? Yeah. And he says that just. right. Yeah. We know exactly. Also, he. said he didn't believe in carbon dating, which is like Yeah. That's convenient. That's convenient. Yeah. did not believe. in carbon dating and and what about rock.

dating that you know that is that is a. thing with certain types of rock. limestone not so much but something like. ignous rock you can you can you can get. a pretty good idea yeah the whole thing. is very weird it's so weird because it's. so vast and so spectacular that no. matter what you think no matter what. theories you have you still have to look. and go how the like it's so bit. it's so nutty that you can't even. imagine people making it right. Not. people as like we consider people today.

Like if a a civilization today, if we. let's say for some reason no one had. ever visited a part of the earth and. then they went to a part of the earth. and they saw people with these. structures today, we'd be like, "What. happened? How did you do this?" We would. think they were wizards. Wizards above. and beyond 2,300,000 stones. Mhm. hundreds of miles through the mountains. You carried the big ones for the inside. the king's chamber. You you you put them.

upund 300 feet up in the air with a. ramp. Yeah. I don't think I don't think. so. But it's all just if they. did how where' that technology go? Where' that construction knowledge go? Like where did their engineering go? Like how were people that advanced that. long ago? You know, I I like the acoustic. levitation theory is an interesting one. where they use sound vibration to lift. heavy objects. You know, we see that. occurring throughout history as as part. of lore. But even in the 1930s,

um a British, maybe he was an. archaeologist, naturalist went to see. Buddhist monks and using instruments, he. watched them levitate heavy objects and. there's film of it. This is this is all. the legend. And when he when he went. back to the UK, they seized the film. But they were using instruments and. chanting to levitate these rocks up a. cliff face to build whatever they were. building. Well, how about that wacky. dude in Florida that made the coral. castle? Oh, yeah. That's Edward Lee. Scandlin. I found It's hard to find, but.

I found him using levers and pulleys and. stuff to do it. It's still amazing what. he did. Yeah. By himself. By himself. Like he's like 5 foot one, 90 lbs. And I. think that door is tons and you can push. it with your finger. That door in the. coral castle is amazing. And supposedly. did it for his girlfriend. I didn't I. didn't read that. For his beloved. Yeah. He did it to impress a lady. You went. too far, man. You don't have to do that. Just you just buy a nice car.

Don't Don't do the the She doesn't care. Anybody can buy a nice rock this chick's. world. Literally going to rock her. She's going to see my coral castle. This. motherfucker's the one. She bailed. She. You You bail if a dude builds you a. castle. You're like, "Uh, look at the. time.". Gotta go. Yeah. Um, when you do these. shows and you know, you've amassed like. this channel now with all these like. fascinating things. Which ones to you.

are the most exciting to create? The. most exciting like one of the ones you. get really jazzed about? the the ones. that that that kind of shatter my belief. system like the hollow moon or the the. crop circles. The the the idea of the. moon being hollow is because they shot. something into the moon and it rang like. a bell. Right. Right. Well, a few. things, you know. One was they. deliberately crashed their their rocket. into the moon to and there was.

seismology, you know, seismographs were. placed in the moon to to check what. would happen. and it did reverberate, but mainstream science says it. reverberates because it's extremely dry. and that's why sound sound waves travel. like that. That's what they say. But. other scientists have said there it. seems to be if it's not hollow, there. are hollow cavities within the moon. And. why do they think that? just just the. way that the sound travels and just how. there are parts of the moon where the.

surface dirt. is let me get this right where the. surface dirt is older than the dirt. underneath. The soil on top is older and. the only way you can do that is through. excavation. moonquakes. Yeah. You know the and the. moon had volcanoes on it at some point. Passive seismic experiment size monitors. were placed during the Apollo 12 mission. remained active until 1977 recording. both natural and humanmade moonquake.

humanmade moonquake also. Why are they. doing that? Why are you trying to make. moonquakes? In fact, moonquakes happen. fairly regularly. A space debris like. asteroids hit the moon more frequently. than Earth because the moon's atmosphere. is much less dense. Right above it, it. described that the Apollo 12 mission was. the first humanmade moonquake. They they. detonated or they crashed the the module. back on the surface. One ton of TNT. Good idea. Oh wow. First humanmade. moonquake to take place. The PSC size. monitors oh seizometers size se size se.

size se size se size se size se size se. size se size se size se size. seismometers uh record the resulting. vibrations which were much bigger and. lasted much longer than the scientists. had anticipated. They were far different. from the earthquake vibrations we're. familiar with. And that next paragraph. said it's because the moon is 60% as. dense, which doesn't mean it's hollow, but it's just different. Right. Right. So, if the collision theory is true, which is the mainstream theory, then the. moon was made mostly out of Earth's. mantle, which will be less dense is why. it just kind of clipped us.

Yeah. But the moon is weird. Yeah. So, the hollow moon one freaks you out. Crop. circles. Crop circles. Those are the fun. ones. I do the conspira the conspira the. government conspiracy ones are. interesting to me but a lot of times. they make me angry so it's it's not. really fun but I think it's important. the CIA stuff Ultra MK Ultra and Agent. Orange that stuff really makes me angry. Yeah. Uh you know the the DARPA episode.

I I end up kind of losing my temper and. crying a little at the end which I. didn't mean to do it and it was just in. the course of the research just that's. what happens things start to unfold. I. just wanted to see DARPA's history. And. as I'm learning about it, it's like, oh, these guys did some bad bad stuff. And. then when you get to. Vietnam and you know, you got they got. the chemical companies, Dowo Chemical, and Dupont and all this creating ancient. blue, agent purple, ancient orange. Yeah. And uh and I mean, more American.

soldiers got sick than actually got. killed in the conflict. You know, my I. dedicated the episode to my. father-in-law who had all kinds of. injuries from Agent Orange. The. government denied any responsibility for. years. They finally agreed to a. settlement in 1981. He applied for his. benefits and the government made do. They they kept their word. He got his. settlement 40 years later. Jesus. And. even that's never going to be enough to. deal with all those health problems. Right. So your country needs you and you. answer the call and then when you need.

your country, take a number. And your. country needs you based on a false flag. Gulf of Tonkan. Yeah. Which is also very. dark. that they fake attacks to get us to go. to war. And then there's Operation. Northwoods, which is a really wonky one. That was the one to get us into Cuba. And and that was probably. the beginning of the end for Kennedy. because I because I believe Kennedy put. a put a stop on North Woods and Bay of. Pigs wouldn't allow air support, right? He got screwed on that. And the Bay of.

Pigs, that was the end. That was where. Kennedy says, "We need to start again. We got to dismantle this and start. again.". I can't rely on my intelligence. community. And um and Eisenhower, he. talked to Eisenhower a lot. And. Eisenhower gave him advice and said, "Watch out for the CIA. Keep an eye on. them." Because remember when Eisenhower. left, he gave that famous farewell. address where he said, "Beware of the. military-industrial complex. You make. war profitable. You're going to have. more war." Because America was never. like that before. You know, we kept we. had a defensive military, not an.

aggressive military forever. Profit is. where the devil does his best work. That's right. Yeah, that's right. That's. from the Bible, isn't it? It might be, but that's it's really what it is. If. evil is real, justification for evil, like if you have a compartmentalized. situation like they do with corporations. where you have this diffusion of. responsibility because you have a bunch. of people that are all working together. Hey, it's not my I'm just working. This. is part of my job. And then you have a. responsibility to shareholders to make. maximum profits every quarter. And then.

you justify all kinds of things and you. get rewarded. Great job. You did a great. job, AJ. We like how you made those. profits. You got a nice fat bonus. And. then, you know, you drink yourself to. sleep every night. My My stepsister just. retired from uh from Grumman. She worked. in top secret program. She won't tell. the family what she did. Dun. dive. Good. Keep your mouth shut, lady. Keep it shut. Lisa, be quiet. I'd keep. my mouth shut. She never said a word. Why would you? It's not worth it. No,

it's not worth it. Pension's too good. Also, like you don't want to die. You know, it's just like they get rid of. people. If if you're in the business of. killing people, which is what military. contractors are, they are in the. business of killing you if you get in. the business of killing people. They're. like, "Oh, we just have to kill one more. person and then we can kill a whole. bunch of other people and make a lot of. money." Yeah. Oh, look. He's got he had a heart. attack. Whoops. He's He fell out of a. hotel window. The Frank Olsson murder is.

is is taught by in Israeli intelligence. as the perfect murder which will be. Frank Olsson was part of MK Ultra and. was starting to have second doubts about. it. So they sent him to a psychiatrist. who he didn't know was actually worked. for Sydney Gotley and was, you know, into programming and he was freaking out. and he's up in a hotel room with with. someone else from MK and he falls out. the window. But if you look at the. window where he fell, it's like, you. know, 2 feet by two feet. There's you.

can't just jump out the window. So he. was found on the sidewalk by the. doorman. That's Frank Olsen. Worth. looking up. Oh, was Joe for talking to his family. afterwards. They gave him uh 750 grand. That's right. And it took and it took a. lot of time claim. Yeah. Right. It Right. And it was be quiet. We'll give you the money, but be quiet. about it. Yeah. So, I mean, it's all it's all real. and it's a.

Yeah. Just the stuff that's undeniable. is enough to make you just go, "Whoa. What is what is happening? What is what. is really going on behind the scenes? You know, I don't the NBA ultra the. testimonies from the women is really. heartbreaking to watch them, you know, the sexual abuse that they endured for. years at that, you know, the whatever. that was, that lodge in the on the water. near DC and just just tortured. and crazy stuff. Uh Operation Midnight.

Caller, you know that one? Which one's. that? That's uh it happened in San. Francisco where they would had agents. hiring prostitutes and they Oh, midnight. climax. Midnight climax behind behind. the two-way glass. Yeah. Nuts. Nuts. Bunch of weirdos. Tax dollars at work. Yeah. And it's because they had no no. one was no oversight. You're ultimate. power. It's all totally deniable. And it was I think it was I think it was. Nixon who banned it in 72. It might have.

even been 69 before he came in. and they. kept doing it anyway. Same with. bioweapons. They were ordered by. executive order to get rid of their. bioweapons and it was found out years. later they were just stockpiling them. They still had them and you know they. still do. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. Do you hesitant? Do you. hesitate sometimes when you're doing. these government coverup ones? Yes. Yes. Yeah. I you know I don't want to. say I'm because they're dangerous. They. are. Bigfoot's not dangerous. No. Bigfoot's not going to hurt Bigfoot's a.

fun one. Is fun. He's UFOs are fun ones. Different dimensions, you know. We fun. stuff. Yeah. Um it's it's hard for me. because I consider myself a patriot. Uh. very very like promilitary, pro law. enforcement, but also anti-war and you. know, proc criminal justice reform. Like. I'm a very Me too. politically confused. Yeah. Me too. You know, I just like. fairness and transparency, that sort of. thing. Yeah. You like to think that our. government's good. I I do like to think. that. And this journey has shown me that.

it's mostly not, you know, it's really. mostly not, but it's it's a government. made of men and men are flawed and. selfish and men will hurt each other. And there's also justifications that be. made can made be made rather for doing. terrible things because there's terrible. people out there and you have to stay. ahead always. Yeah. Don't become a. monster when you're fighting monsters. That's exactly right. And these this. collateral damage is is just part of the. it's just part of it. Yeah. you know, so. we give them a settlement to stay quiet, but this is for national security. Yeah.

The greater good. What other ones have. freaked you out? And it's it's hard to. it's hard to say off the top of my head. Um MK Ultra is a tough one. I you know, I have I have covered Northwoods and and. and some of those. Uh Operation Gladadio. was a crazy one. That was that was where. the CIA was killing civilians in after. World War II. Um, Allan Dulles. I'm. gonna do an episode on Allen Dulles, the. Dulles brothers, their connection to the. Nazis and all of that. It's gonna that's. going to be a dangerous one. What were.

they doing? They were killing people for. what reason? So, we had to fight. communism, communism, communism. So, um, they trained a secret army, a civilian. army in Italy to bomb civilians and then. blame it on the communists. The. communists at that time were the most. popular party in Italy, you know, post. war because they had just went through. fascism, right, with Mussolini. So you. just it always swings too far the other. way. So we swing way the other way. Communism, very popular, can't have.

that. So civilians were killed in. bombings by the CIA trained guerilla. army. And they were trained by a a Nazi. general who was tight with Allan Dulles. And it was and this was planned during. the during the war. Um you know while. while American GIs were being killed. fighting the Nazis, they were already. planning this next phase. But um but. civilians died in massacres and they. blamed it on communists and it was. denied and denied and eventually it came.

out. It was called Operation Gladadio. Gladadio is a Gladius is the sword of. the of the Roman soldiers. How did they. kill the people? Bomb. Carbomb. Carbomb. was a big one. I think it was in Milan, but there was a few and they were just. blaming the communists just to stop. communism because it was it was a huge. Italy was a lot of turmoil. I think it. was called like the the years of lead or. like the decades of lead, something like. that, cuz people were just getting. killed all the time. I don't know how. many constitutions Italy's had since. World War II, but it's it's probably.

over two dozen at this point. You know, it's a chaotic place. Wow. That's my. people. It's my people, too. We're. goofy. Um, what about the Reishard structure? You know, people ask me about that the. eye of the Sahara. I usually I usually. say, you know what, go to Corsetti, go. to Bright Insight, go to Randall. Carlson. Corsetti is the mo Randle. Carlson doesn't believe that that was. Atlant's, right? But Corsetti makes a. very compelling case. Mountains to the.

north, river to the to the south, the. circular, the concentric rings, the. concentric rings, they're the correct. size. the fact that there's still salt. on the ground there. I want to believe. it. Yeah. You know, and then there's. like when you pull back and you get the. satellite image of the surface and it. looks like it was just completely. delued. It does. Yeah. Well, we know for. a fact it was delued. We just Does it. line up with Atlantis? I mean I mean. Carlson is showing us that how the. surface of the of Africa was just.

altered. Yeah. By by, you know, by the. flood. So, it all lines up, but there's. all these leaps that we have to make. I. enjoy making them. Yeah. But, you know, I on my show, I try to let people know, look, I connected some dots here. You. know, I had to fill in some gaps with a. little bit of creative license, but if. you're interested, go pursue it. Go. learn more. I want that to be Atlantis. Yeah. It seems like Atlantis was a real. place because, you know, once they found.

out that Troy was a real place, Troy was. also dismissed, right? Yes, it was. they. found out, no, Troy actually existed. It. It doesn't seem like any of those. stories were It seems like. they were historical accounts. And the. thing about. Plato's writings about Atlantis, he. talks about it having existed 900 years. prior, which lines up perfectly with the. younger Dus, right? And he learned it. from an Egyptian priest who learned it. from someone else. So, the story goes. back beyond Plato. If if you believe.

Plato, which you can if you believe. Plato, well, he was right about a lot of. things. And it's just it's so. fascinating we think of like that kind. of historical recordkeeping that you're. getting. these depictions of what kind of a. civilization existed thousands and. thousands of years ago. Right? So what. you know with Homer's Iliad, what did. they think he was writing about? A. fictional place. I mean that was that. was this I said I think I said 900. years. I meant 9,000 years. 9,000 years. Yeah. Which is like, first of all, like.

how do you get 9,000 years of history. 2,000 years ago? Like what are you even. getting? Yeah. Like what how are these. stories how are they documented? Like. how do they pass them? How do they pass. them on? Like who are the original. people? Like what what's the actual. version story? Like which one is more. accurate? E epic of Gilgamesh, Noah's. arc, which would like something seems to. exist in almost every ancient. civilization. They all have a flood.

myth. Yeah. And you know, Gilgamesh and. and Noah's arc, it sounds very they're. very similar stories. And there there. are other cultures that have a Noah's. Arc story. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's my. favorite currently. I've seen like a a. ton of videos and but I think Jimmy. Corsetti does the best job about the. rich art structure, but he's all in on. it. Yes. And I think like it doesn't. look natural. No, it doesn't. It. doesn't. It looks like exactly and it's. like what a coincidence that it matches.

the dimensions of Atlantis as described. and it's in the right place. So, you. know, when people argue for bimin biminy. being the Atlantis, it's like they. didn't know what any of that was, but. they knew what North Africa was, right? And also, it's so close to Egypt. It's. so close to what we already know was a. super advanced civilization that. existed. There's been no excavations of. that. I don't believe so. Of the Reard structure. Yeah, I'm. reading all about it. Oh, what what have.

they done? Like deep 1974 was. discovered. They found. artifacts. I'm looking right now. That's. what I was about to show you is this. isn't a great example, but there's other. This isn't it? Uh, another eye that. looks similar to it in the same area. Interesting. And then the comments say. that there's even two or three of these. Whoa. Um, and I was reading uh Steven. Nolla's breakdown of Jimmy's video. He. says he's leaving out some known facts, like there was a canal that connected. each of the circles that isn't apparent.

in the re-shot structure. But those are the things I was just. getting at right now. But this looks like canals. Well, that's. a different This isn't the reshot. structure, right? Show the research. structure. And the reot structure is. strange because the coloration is. different than the rest of the uh that. was also the depictions of the colors of. the rocks is the same red and black. Yeah. Like that is crazy. That's. crazy. It is. There weren't the one guy. who found artifacts said there was there. was some stuff like out here on the.

outer circles, but not very many inside. Well, the question is like how big was. the catastrophe and how much would be. left and what would you actually see? You know, like how much was the. structure altered by whatever the. happened, right? So, when we talk about. ancient advanced civilizations, we're. not talking about more advanced than us. We just mean advanced, right? So, people. will say, "Well, where's their plastic? Where's their Yeah, but it has it. doesn't have to be the same kind of.

advanced." It doesn't combustion. engines, all the different things that. we've done, electronics, like we're just. assuming that technology always goes in. the exact same path. But it's whatever. the they were doing, we know. whatever we know they were doing in. Egypt was extraordinary with in terms of. like their ability to core the drills. when they have these cores that they. like high-speed drills that seem to be. like if not diamond tipped, something of. a similar vein that allowed them to dig. into that granite like that. Like right, how do they gener 2,000 RPMs.

or whatever? How could they do that? Yeah, it's all freaky, man. It's like. the history. I mean, Graham has the best. depiction. He said, "We are a species. with amnesia." That's the perfect way to. say it. You know, it's a shame that he's. marginalized, but I like that Netflix is. stuck by him and keep pumping those out. Well, the facts are the facts, you know, just the the structures that he's. uncovering when you you're looking at. Gunnam Padang, when you're looking at. all these different places, when you. look at, you know, just Machu Picchu,

all these different place, like what the. was going on? Like, why is this. stuff so complex? Why is it so. fascinating? And why aren't we allowed. to ask? Why aren't we allowed to. investigate it? Yeah. Uh remember when. at one when uh his ancient apocalypse. season one came out, there was a British. newspaper said Graham Hancock is the. most dangerous man in the world. because of the white as just dumb asses. Well, they always want to connect it to. white supremacy, which is so crazy cuz. Graham Hancock is the furthest from a.

white supremacist. You know, he's. married to a woman of color. He's like. he's like the sweetest, nicest guy. He's. a vegan. Of course. He's like, he never. said they're they were white folks. No, he said, "No one says that." And who. cares? I just want to know who they. were. Well, they couldn't be white folks. because white folks don't live there. No. Like, if they're Egyptians, they're. Africans. Like, the Africans were the. most sophisticated civilization that we. have ever seen that existed at that. point in time. We don't know if they're.

as sophisticated as we are, but we know. they did some stuff back then that we're. not capable of today. Yes. And that's. real. It is. And we don't know how. We. don't know what technology they had. But. here's the thing. If it's not from 2,500. BC, if it's really from 30,000 BC, what. do you think would be left? Like only. maybe the stone. That would be it. That's pro. That's part of the problem. Steel, any kind of gone. It would only. take a hundred years for Manhattan to be. covered by vegetation. A thousand years,

the the skyscrapers would crumble. 10,000 years, it' all be washed away. Right? a hundred thousand years. You're. not gonna see Jack. Nothing. Nothing. Yeah. Who is that um British. archaeologist that we brought up the. other day, Jamie, with the um where he. has this like really good point that. human beings have been in essentially. the same form for the last 300,000. years. Like it's not outside the realm. of possibility that we have achieved. very high levels of sophistication. multiple times and have been knocked.

back down to the stone age again. Sure. By cataclysmic events. Right. And that. makes a lot of sense to me that it's. just part of a cycle. Yeah. You know, the doomsday clock is it's kind of a. real thing is that you just get to a. level of technology where you just are. too dangerous for your own good. We're. not sophisticated enough for nuclear. weapons. We're not smart enough to have. those. No. Well, that's the hope is that. that's what the aliens are here for. To. go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Right. Because because they have Yeah. Why did. they allow just the United States to.

detonate 60 something bombs? And well, here's the thing. Two of them that. caused mass death, right? Hiroshima and. Nagasaki, but that's also when the UFO. starts showing up in mass, you know, and. you know, I have this comedy club called. the Comedy Mothership, and the rooms are. named Fat Man and Little Boy. Okay? And. the reason why is because in UFO. folklore after those bombs were dropped. that's when the mother ship started. showing up. Right. Yeah. And in some.

tests you can see stuff in the sky in. the films. I think you can see something. at Castle Bravo. Could be wrong but. there are some tests where you can see. stuff in the sky. Like what what was. that for a few frames? Like they were. keeping an eye on I hope they are. Yeah. would be nice. Please. That would be. nice. Well, listen AJ, I love your. show. You have provided me with. hours and hours of entertainment. It's. an awesome program. You do a really good. job. It's really well done. I don't know. who's doing it with you and how you.

promote how you produce it, but you you. guys kill it. Thanks, man. Great. team. It's a great show. The Y Files, it's available on YouTube. 4.73 million subscribers, so I'm not. alone. And you guys have only been. around for how many years now? Two uh. 2020. That's amazing. Five years. and. you already have almost 5 million. subscribers. The CIA is just backing up. It's a great show. That's what. it is. So, um I'm glad we finally did. this. So, thank you very much, man. And. if you ever got anything crazy you want. to break it here, we're ready for you.

You got an episode coming out you want. everybody to know about, come on back. I. think we probably do this a 100 times. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. All. right. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].