Joe Rogan Experience #2326 - Jimmy Carr

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe. Rogan Experience. Train by day. Joe. Rogan podcast by night. All. day weird hydrate. I'm I'm rehydrating. having Well, I think I got it from this. show. The sauna cold plunge thing. I bet. you did. I'm so into it. That's awesome. So addicted to it. I got like the. changes your life. It really does. It's. like it's that dopamine for like you're.

changing my life by crushing this liquid. IV in the most bizarre way possible. I. don't know. It's like somehow it's all. smooshed up in Yeah, it's humidity. All. right. Well, it probably got a little. humidity in there. It needs one of them. little packets you get in the chips that. you always accidentally bite. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You know those little things they. put in there to like absorb humidity? Yeah. I don't know. I think that's what. they're for, right? Yeah. I don't have. any idea what it is. They absorb. humidity. Is that what they do? salt or. something. Maybe they provide it. Do. they provide humidity? What do they do?

The I did the I'm now staying in not. exclusively, but like I'm my hotel. choice. I'm solving for places with. sauna cold plunge, so I can kind of do. that in the morning and feel alive. There's a lot more of those now. Well, it's it's great. And then but you travel. the world. I travel everywhere. So, I. was in like Vienna. and they've got this. incredible facility and I went and it's. like, you know, it's a amazing sauna, amazing cold plunge. So I get in there, I'm having a great time. A guy walks in.

and I get told off for wearing shorts. cuz I've got swim shorts on and it's. Austria and they like to sauna naked. They want to look at your [ __ ] They. want to check it out. Okay. And now I've. got no problem with that in the sauna. I've got zero problem in the sauna. I. tell you where the problem comes. Post. cold plunge. Yeah, that is some baby. dick. You know where the real problem. comes? Aggressive gay men in Sauners. Yeah. I mean, there was very little of. that going on, I think. Well, most of.

the time. Well, that's I think Sauners. had that reputation for Oh, I've seen. it. Like I've had a guy do it to me. Oh, really? Yeah. A guy looked me in the eye. and take his robe and like open up his. his towel while he's staring at me. Is there more to this story? Where does. this No, that feels like No. Okay. Yeah, there's no more to the. story. Is the guy okay, Joe? Yeah, I. didn't hurt him. I didn't I don't think. I even said anything to him. I just went. like.

this and then just didn't look at him. and then within 3 minutes he put his. towel back on and walked out and left. like so he was fishing. And that's how I. met a line out there. That's how I met. your mother. And that is how I met Tony. Hinchcliffe. That's the origination story. Yeah, it was uh it was insulting because. he wasn't even a handsome gentleman, you. know. Well, I mean, wasn't even a. good-look guy. You're not in that.

business. Not in that business. You're. not in that business. You don't know. I. don't know, right? I don't know. Yeah. I. mean, there's a lot of bears out there. A lot of guys are into the big guys, you. know? They're into big big fat hairy. guys. That's a thing, right? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know why. This guy. wasn't even that. He wasn't even a bear. You You some You're disappointed that. the guy that hit on you wasn't. attractive enough. I've only had a few. times in my life where men have. aggressively hit on me and both of them. have been disappointing. Two two ones in. recent memory that I can remember. Not.

recent memory, like within, you know, as. an adult in in saunas. In when were you? One in a bar um and one in the sauna. Okay. So, in the bar. So, how did you. know the guy was hitting on you? I knew. the guy. He's a gay guy and he just was. getting drunk and then he started. getting silly, but he got a little. handsy, you know, like kept touching me. and I was like, you need to stop doing. that or you're going to get hurt. Stop. touching me. It just makes you realize. like what it's like to be a woman and.

but way worse. Way way worse. I think. it's very good for empathy to have that. experience to have a guy aggressively, drunkenly hit on you. Yeah. and to know. what it's like. I often think like being. a bit famous, you kind of know what it's. like to be a very attractive woman. Yeah. But you don't because you're not. as vulnerable and no one's trying to. like stick their dick inside of you for. I mean in terms of you have predictable. conversations. That's true. I think I. often think like bullshitted. Yeah.

Reattractive women have the same. conversation with people over and over. again and you blame them for being. boring. Right. Where you from? Where? Hey, you come around here a lot. What's. going on? Yeah, it's the same. conversation again and again and again. Yeah, I was think like I I always. noticed that my friend Roshin Conny. pointed this out to me. She said really. really attractive people like gorgeous. supermodels speak very very slowly. because no one has ever interrupted.

them. Like I speak quick cuz I'm rocking this. I go quick. Come on. Let's get something. going here. Come on. Yeah, that's. actually a very good point. Right. And. also, you probably value your opinion. way too highly because no one would ever. question your ability to form a sentence. or to figure something out because they. want to have sex with you. Yeah. So, this is this is how horoscopes got big. Incredibly attractive women spoke about. their horoscope and no one went, "This. this sounds like some bullshit." It's.

interesting he brought that up because I. was just watching the Danny Jones. podcast today and he had my friend. Hamilton Morris on who's been on this. podcast a few times and they were. talking about the Reagan administration. and about how the war on drugs really. got started like this is your brain on. drugs all that stuff. Nancy Reagan's pet. project. Yeah. And it was because Nancy. Reagan according to Hamilton and he he's. got I mean he's very I've heard this she. had like a guru didn't she? Yes. But. this is where why it started. She was.

mocked for being like this frivolous. person who is the wife of the president. and and Hamilton sort of relates it to. the way Melania Trump gets mocked. And. you know she had appar she apparently. famously spent like an insane amount of. money on new China for the uh for the. White House like new silverware in. China. And uh China like Yeah. But. that's how we pronounce it. China. China. in the Trump household. China, but it. was, you know, it wasn't the Trump. household back then. It was Reagan. Um,

that was a terrible Reagan impression. Um, but uh, so anyway, um, she went to. her psychic slash whatever it is, astrologer slash, whatever this kooky. person is, and they gave good advice. They said, "You got to do something to. distract it. So, you have to have a. cause." And so, her cause became the war. on drugs. Her cause became just say no. Right. I I I mean, did that work out. well? I forget. How' the war on drugs. go? How are we doing? Not just that, well, Hamilton points out how many. people were arrested and how many lives.

were destroyed because of this decision. by this one woman who was the wife of. the president who was trying to cover. her ass cuz she was looking silly in the. press. I got I got crazy drug views. Do. you want to hear my drug views? I would. love to hear your drug view. Okay. My I. marijuana specifically. Okay. I think. marijuana should be illegal for the. under 30s. I think it should be legal 30. to 50. And then I think over 50. mandatory. That's not a bad I don't like.

the under 30, but I in all defense, I. did not start smoking marijuana until I. became 30. Well, I think it's that thing. of like there's performance-enhancing. drugs, right? And then there's and. there's there's lots of them. I mean, testosterone is probably the the biggest. and the best, right? Oh, there's way. better ones than testosterone. Oh, but. testosterone in terms of the world, like. if you look at the world, like people. often quote the fact that most of the, you know, the biggest CEOs in the world. are male. Yeah. But also 95% of the. prison population is male because what.

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Single moms also have higher. testosterone. Do you know that? I never. knew that. Yeah. Women that are forced. to like take care of themselves and. forced to like make all the money and. run the household and take care of the. children, their their testosterone. naturally rises. Yeah. Also, women have. more testosterone than they do estrogen. Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it? Wild. Yeah. I never knew that until I. forget who who said it. I was like, that's kind of crazy. But it's that. thing of like, you know, for young. women, if you're talking to young women, like what would the advice be? And it's. like because young men take risks,

right? Right. But young women tend not. to take the same risks, but maybe if you. took more calculated risks, kind of. levels the playing field a little bit. Playing field for what game? Well, I. suppose career for what what choices you. make in in life. I think I wonder how. much crossover there is between women's. decisions, career paths, and men's like. how how often are women actually. competing with obviously they do, but. how often, you know what I mean? Like if. if there wasn't any societal pressure.

for a woman to be a career woman and a. boss girl, you know, because there's a. lot of that. there's like pressure to. like show that you're as good as. everyone else who's also doing this and. you know Sally is a CEO you should be a. CEO too and there's a lot of pressure. but if you just let them decide their. own path how much crossover there would. there be with men and women I don't know. I mean I read a lot of uh it's like Mary. Harrington and Louise Perry these kind. of great feminist writers and they often.

sort of talk about this thing of like. going we talk about one stage of. feminism. above. And there's three. There's like. there's the there's the maiden, which. is, you know, the young woman out for a. career who can do just as they can do. anything a man can do, right? Absolutely. And then there's motherhood, which a man cannot compete. But feminism. doesn't really talk about motherhood. that that much. It's like it's become. almost like a right-wing thing to like. celebrate motherhood, right? And then. there's the what what they call the. crone, the older woman post-menopausal.

who's absolutely pivotal in our society. If you think about anyone having a. crisis, just a a woman comes from. nowhere in her 50s or 60s and makes you. a cup of tea and takes care of you. It's. like it's an incredibly that grandmother. figure is so important in our culture, in our society, and it's not celebrated. enough, I don't think. No. Well, I I had. a bit in one of my specials back in the. day about my mom. My mom actually did. say this. She voted for Hillary Clinton.

because she said, you know, I just want. a woman to be president. And I said, you. already make all the people. Like, I go, you make all the people. There's eight. billion people. All of them made by. women. I go, you want to be president, too, you [ __ ] greedy [ __ ] I'm like, what else you want? All the money. You. want all You want a bigger dick? Like, what? What do you want? You want. everything? We don't celebrate the. craziest thing which is women make human. life. Without them it is not possible. for any of us to be here. And that is.

almost like inconsequential. It's like. you're not even we don't even we don't. even talk about it. And the the. sacrifice made the I know. Thank you for. your service. We really should say that. to every mom. Thank you for your. service. You're making humans. Especially if you're doing a great job. Yeah. If you're a solid mom, that's. amazing. It's an amazing If you're a. solid mom, think about it. The best dad. in the world is what? It's a mediocre. mom. Yeah. Like like if if I take my. kids to the playground, it's like, "Oh, fantastic." I if mom does it, it's it's.

kind of expected. It's it's already. factored in. Yeah. It is a weird thing, right, that that's not really celebrated. in society because any of us that have. had good moms real and not a most. importantly if you have friends that. have evil mothers. We were talking about. a story we read on here the other day. Oh, where this young girl was being like. brutally stalked online and harassed and. it turned out it was her own mother that. was doing it. Yeah. And it's you you. can't get over the How do you. psychically How do you recover? How do.

you trust anyone for the rest of your. life? Your own mother. So, it's like. there's so many people out there. that are just going through so much just. with family life that like a good mom, a. mom that like takes care of you, like. you don't you don't appreciate it. because you think it's like you're. supposed to have that. But my god, that's so important. It's so important. I think it's I think it is like we're. more impressed with CEOs, which is. hilarious. It's nothing, right? But that.

thing of like being loved. unconditionally. Yeah. by your mother. and I was absolutely loved. unconditionally by her in such a a. brilliant way and you go that it's kind. of gets you to self-confidence like you. know what self-confidence is going to. feel like cuz that's it's sort of the. same feeling. Right. Right. Right. Where. you're just accepted. Yeah. But you're. enough. It's not about what you do or. they're happy just to see you like. here's Jimmy, my Jimmy. Give me a hug.

They're so happy to see you. Yeah. That's beautiful. I mean, that's what. all human beings want from friendships, from everything. We all just want to be. loved and accepted. And then all the. other stuff is just lashing out because. you weren't loved and accepted enough or. it's trying to get that in a in a weird. way. A weird way. Yeah. Like, so you're. trying to be, you know, you're trying to. collect stuff so you get respect and. admiration rather than from what you do. And then it's like the mean people. Like.

mean people have always been hurt. There's no mean people that just had. nothing but love, right? That's unless. there's some psych something psychotic, something broken, like like genetically. broken. I think you get that from having. kids as well. Like when you have kids, you start to see everyone else's, oh, you used to be a baby, right? Absolutely. What happened? Absolutely. Yeah. Well, some you got bad information. in a bad neighborhood with bad people. around you and a lot of crime and there. you are. Yeah. Yeah. And this that's. what's always disturbed me the most.

about people that don't have people that. have had good lives who don't have. empathy for the plight of people that. are in like the total like economic. urban struggle. Well, I mean you're. preaching to the choir here. I think. that thing of like gratitude as the. mother of all virtues and the idea of. going we don't see how lucky we are cuz. we might see on a surface level like of. going oh you know I'm lucky cuz I was. I'm you know I'm healthy and uh you know. I'm I'm able to write jokes but then you.

don't see the kind of the layer below. that of going well I was born with I. think like beauty is a really. interesting thing right so you see. someone and they're born beautiful. Margot Robbie and you might go oh she's. Barbie she's gorgeous it's easy for But. when you look at. Oppenheimer, you don't see well that guy. was born with an IQ of 160 and a work. ethic. Now work ethic is heritable. largely heritable like 70% heritable. Really? Yeah. And you don't develop.

that? No, I don't think so. I think like. it's interesting. Well, I mean you. develop some of it and you know what. what you inherit what you get in your. you know your factory settings when you. come out that's what it is. You can only. work with the other stuff. So that's the. interesting stuff. But factory settings. you think involve work ethic? Yeah, I. think so. We'll get we'll get so he's on. it. I don't think my own life is a a. different example. You think your work. ethic is I think it's just I developed. it recognizing that it's valuable and I.

think a lot of it I got from martial. arts. Something like my parents didn't. have a work ethic. It just it especially. the physical stuff. It was never no one. in my house did anything physical. They. did no didn't do any sports. Definitely. didn't do any martial arts. It wasn't. wasn't inherited at all. And then the. idea of you pushing yourself well just I. I learned from a young age that if you. work harder than everybody else, you get. better. It was just like simple math.

And then it was also like. willpower rather than your willpower is. a funny word because it's it's really. just knowing that there's a value in. continuing to do things you don't want. to do and that there's a process. And. it's hard to see the process when you're. in the middle of it because it sucks and. you're tired and you don't want to keep. doing this. It's hard to do. But if you. recognize, oh, the more I do that, the.

better I get. If you're an intelligent. person, if you're an objective person. who analyzes all the factors that are at. play, you go, okay, what is the major. factor here in terms of like getting. better at a thing? Well, the major. factor is work. Like the more work you. do and the harder you work and the more. intelligent you work, like the more. intensity and the more enthusiasm you. have, you just get way better than. everybody else. Well, I've always. thought that that's a really interesting. thing of how hard you work is important,

but what you work on is the most. important. Yes. You know, it's that. thing of like we're talking about. horoscopes, something you It's amazing. how much knowledge and information and. expert someone can be in total horshit. Total horseshit. But I think this is. where we get back to the Danny J Jones. podcast. Um, I think there might be. something to the original astrology. I. think the people that were like really. studying constellations and when people.

were born, I have a feeling that that is. some like really ancient civilization. knowledge that we just have like echoes. of today. when it got got um kind of. famous in our culture was I think it was. a birth of a royal baby in about 1910. something like that really and the Lond. London Evening Standard had they'd ran. out of things to say about a royal baby. It's cute. It's got, you know, it's got. little baby fingers and baby toes. Yeah.

And they they did that. They got someone. came in and went, "Oh, you know, it was. born here and it's it's the year of the. rat and it's a it's a Virgo and it's and. that means with Sagittarius rising and. they wrote the thing and then they. realized everyone is kind of. self-obsessed and wants to read about. themselves." So that's that's the one. bit of the newspaper that's about you, right? So naturally people are drawn to. that and it's like cold reading. It's. like the way that they word these. things. You go, "Well, that could apply.

to anyone, right?" But it does give you. a nice chance to focus on you. What. about what's going to happen with me? Yes, but what about me? The news. Who. cares about Beirut? What about me? Yeah. Well, I think that's the in the human. condition that's going to be a big part. Of course. Of course. And that's how you. sell newspapers. I think the newspaper. version of the horoscope is obviously. nonsense. At least partially. I. shouldn't even say obviously, but I. think I I have not studied this and I'm. not committed to this, but I do think.

the origins, the original origins of. astrology were probably based on some. sort of an ancient. understanding of the different effects. that different stars when they're in. alignment have on the universe. And I. think it's partially B. Look, we know. that the moon literally makes the tide. go in and out. It the gravity of the. moon affects the water. It makes the.

tide go in and out to the point where. there's a high tide and a low tide mark. at the This is why I'm rehydrating now. because I realize I'm mainly water. Mainly water. So if we're mainly water, like how is that not affecting us? Is it. is it affecting us in some weird way. that we don't totally understand? But. the idea that a constellation uh 100. million. light years away could be affecting us. seems I don't think that's what the idea. is. The idea is that there is an.

infinite number of possibilities in. terms of personalities and character. traits. And there's an infinite number. of factors. There's genetic factors, there's environmental factors, there's. all these different factors. There might. be cosmic factors. I don't think it's. the primary source of your personality. or your how you feel about the world, but I think it might be a factor. And I. think it was probably much more of a. factor when they didn't have light. pollution.

I wonder is it one of these things where. it's a really interesting way to think. about yourself and analyze yourself? It's like almost like I don't have. religion, but I can see the benefits of. it. I don't think religion works because. like mass doesn't work because God is. happy, but mass works because people. come together as a group and they kind. of they meditate and take an hour off. And I sort of think the the great. mistake uh the tradition I'm from is. Catholicism. Me too. And the great. mistake was I think they Vatican 2 they.

called it. So Vatican 2 is where they. translated the Latin into whatever your. local language was and made it more. accessible. That was like the 1500s, right? Yeah. And it's such a huge. mistake because the idea was to be in. awe. It's it's like going to church is. like should be like standing in nature. like being in awe of something. As soon. as you translate it and you go leftrain. and try and make it make sense, it all. falls to pieces. But it's not a left. brain. Our whole culture is leftrain. But it should be about right brain. It.

should be about the the the the gestalt, the whole thing. The idea of like. there's a mystery here. And what's that. great line? God. God is the name we give. to the blanket we throw over the mystery. to give it shape. I like that. I think. that's AC/DC's roadie said that. Really? Yeah. That's amazing. But what a piece of. wisdom because that's a a genius piece. of wisdom. But it is that thing of like. you can call it whatever you want. Now. you you can attach it to whether it's. horoscopes or whatever your religion is. But the idea of going there is a mystery.

and even when you get to you know. physics at the I mean I love it when you. have physicists on here. I love I mean. Eric Weinstein's one of my favorite. people in the world. I just think he's a. he's brilliant. He's a great great guy, too. Yeah. Great guy. And but you you. look at that and you go and they get to. the Big Bang and you go, "Yeah, but what. happened four minutes before that?" And. they go, "Oh, we don't know." Well, well, we're back to the mystery then. Yeah. Well, there there's no escaping. the mystery once you get into like. subatomic particles like what's going on. there. It's also do you need religion. where you go, okay, uh, a random.

selection of atoms coalesed into a form. that can contemplate its own. consciousness and existence for 4,000. weeks. Is that not. enough? Will that not. do? No, we need miracles, Jimmy. Um, but. when you go going back to the. translation of the Bibles, one of the. things I want to say, I think the reason. why that was important at the time was. because that power was being abused.

because most people couldn't read Latin. And most people couldn't read. I mean, really, when you think about uh reading, yes, it was the Bible was the reason the. Bible was the bestseller that people. went not I've got to go out and read a. book. I got to get out. It was pivotal. event for the Catholic Church convening. from 1962 to 65. Oh, so we're talking. about a different time. So we're. thinking of the second Vat Oh, no. Vatican 2. Is that what we were. referring to? So that was 1962. We're. we're referring to is the 1500s. We're.

referring to like Martin Luther. Oh, no. That's the Protestantism. That's the. idea of the Well, the translation of the. Bibles into different language. Yeah. The Well, the the Bible because it was. originally in Latin. Well, was. originally in probably in Aramaic. Yeah. And then the but the idea of the. Protestantism was the idea that you went. you've got your own relationship with. God. So it went from being Catholics and. Protestants to. ultimately every individual was their. own church. Yeah. My father's. perspective was like it's open to.

interpretation to by you. You should. develop this relationship with God. through the word and that you should. read and and it wasn't up to the priest. to tell you what it meant. It's it's. fascinating though the the like the. there's a law of history the only one. there's one law in history which is. unintended consequences and the. consequence of that of course is that we. we over solve for the individual in our. culture now Protestantism had such a. huge influence that's all about the.

individual and less about the group. Well isn't there got to be a balance of. the two but it's a response to the power. structures that were really detrimental. and the power structures of the church. Like there's a reason why the priests. aren't allowed to have sex. It's cuz. they were [ __ ] everybody cuz they had. power. You know what happened? What. happened? Okay, the plague happened. Ah, so when the plague happened, it wiped. out about a third of the population of. Earth, right? So the plague was huge. Now it had a much worse effect on the.

priesthood because everyone got last. rights. So when you were dying, you got. last rights. Oh wow. So the priesthood. was knocked out. Like 95% of priests. died. Oh my god, I didn't even think of. that. The standards pre the plague, the. standards in the church were the. smartest guy you've ever met, the. smartest guy in the village, the town, the region was the priest. The smartest. of the smartest guy, the most. intelligent guy became the bishop. And. the pope was like, "This guy's a. genius." It was the best of the best,

the creme de la creme. the standards for. the priesthood post uh the plague. This. guy's got all his own teeth. You're in. like it went down. And then all that. thing of like the plenary indulgences. where you could buy your way into heaven. is all, you know, all of that came off. the back of the thing. So the standards. kind of went down and then it became. kind of corrupted. How dirty is that. one? The buying your way into heaven.

Well, it's I mean, so dirty. Well, people don't realize that. People often. laugh at like the uh you know, he's. going to blow himself up to get 72. virgins. The Crusaders all got a fast. track to heaven. Nice. Yeah. Some guy tells you, "Yeah, I've I've. just I've just discovered this." Yeah. Yeah. I was having a conversation with a. friend of mine the other day and she was. telling me that there's a list of human. beings that are alive today that are.

being considered for. priesthood. Like they have to think, excuse me, for saintthood. For. saintthood. Yeah. So they have to like. go over all these different religious. figures that are alive currently and. decide if they're going to be a. saintthood. Who's going to be a saint? You know, Christopher Hitchens, the. great Christopher Hitchens, right? Christophins literally, you ever heard. the phrase the the devil's advocate? Of. course, he had that job. So when Mother. Teresa was made a saint by the Catholic.

Church, they bring someone in when. they're making someone a saint in the. Catholic Church in the Vatican to to be. the voice of the opposition and he got. the job. He played the devil's advocate. for real on Mother Tra. He wrote a book. about it. I've always wondered about. him. Um, loved the guy. Pissed off a lot. of people. got. cancer. I hate to be the conspiracy. theorist. And at the time, you hate to. be the conspiracy theorist. Yeah. I. mean, I don't know if you're familiar. with your brand, but you are the.

conspiracy theorist. At the time, uh, I. was like, "Wish he didn't smoke and wish. he didn't drink." Now I'm like, "God, I. know a lot of people smoke and drink and. they live forever. What the [ __ ] going. on? Why Why did Christopher Hitchen die. so young?" But then again, why did Hicks. die so young? Hicks died at like. pancreatic cancer at like 33 or. something. Yeah. I don't think we can. relate his death to piss. No, of course. not. But it's the of course not. But. it's funny. He's quite the writer. Oh. Oh, he's genius. He was so pitch 22 and. there's a there's a book that he wrote. about politics, the um letters to a.

young contrarian. Oh my god. It's like. it's it's those bits of it's amazing. things kind of books when people write. their autobiography and it's like a it. just it's a gift. It's just you can you. can feel like you know them. Well, you. can also like imagine what would you do. if you were living this person's life. You're going through all the various. stages of their life. You're empathizing. with them. You're seeing their. struggles. You're seeing, you know, their whatever they're going through.

And you're like, "Wow, what would I do?". Like, "Wow, that's cra well that's why. he became this way. Oh, wow. That's. amazing." And, you know, you you learn a. lot from other human beings when they're. really open. They really let you in, you. know, which is one of the things I think. reasons why we detest people that are uh. very manufactured and closed off like. you know the newscaster that you're. never going to you don't know a damn. thing about those people. You know what. I mean? Isn't that why this works? Yeah, for sure. Because you go this format.

this it's lot there's no to hide. Three. hours of conversation you're going to. talk about what you're going to talk. about. It's going to come up and it's. this thing of uh it's authentic and. authenticity is what people crave. Oh. yeah. And it's it's playful. And I think. I mean okay this is my big theory on. life. I think play is like we don't stop. playing because we get old. We get old. because we stop playing. Yeah. And in. our job as George Bernard Shaw I think.

said it first anyway but he's wrong. You. get old no matter what. He's full of. [ __ ] He got to break a hip. Follow that. guy's advice. You're going to [ __ ]. roll your ankle for sure. Yeah. But you. maybe playing Twister when you're 70. Great. That's a good way to break a hip. But that thing of like going play is. sort of in short supply. If you think. about what anyone cares about, right? Like people talk about sports all the. time. People talk about concerts and. going to see music. People love seeing. comedy and they love this kind of thing.

Uh but this is like play, right? we're. playing and sports is playing and. theater is playing and comedy's playing. and there's not enough play in life and. really I always think of that thing of. like when I'm performing shows like. there's an illusion that it's me. performing on stage but actually. everyone in the room is performing. It's. a performative thing seeing a show. If. you think about when you last saw I. don't know um Bruce Springsteen live and. Bruce Springsteen goes, "How you all. doing?" and the whole place goes,

"Yeah, if if in Starbucks someone goes, "How you doing?". Yeah. Psychotic. You get kicked out. But. there's a The audience is doing their. part. They're doing their bit. And. especially like in our game, in comedy, it's a because the feedback loop, everything is split tested. Everything. is How do you feel about that? And the. the one audience member know anything. about comedy and jokes. Get a hundred of. them together. Genius. They know exactly. what's funny, what isn't funny, what's.

acceptable, where the line is, and. you're you're getting that feedback the. whole time. So, like doing comedy, it's. not it's not repetition, it's iteration. Mhm. It's just that you're getting a. constant sort of feedback from these. these people. It's a magnificent meld, right? Yeah. And people want it because. they want to come out because, you know, it was the it used to be we'd gather. around a fire and do this, right? And. then we gathered around the wireless and. we talked. And then we gathered around. the TV. That's what you guys call the.

radio back in England. The wireless. The. wireless. That was what it was called. Yeah. For real? Yeah. For real. That was. called the wireless. Wow. Yeah. And then. you ever heard that? No. It's the. wireless. RKO. The wireless. Like. cellular coverage. Yeah. And then it's. the but then it's cell phones now and. we're alienated. We're more connected. and less connected than ever. And then. you go out. I was in the mother ship. last night doing Kill Tony and that. audience were. like church. Yeah. Their phone's in a. bag. They're not constantly distracted.

Yeah. Yeah. It's so much better. It's. it's like a lot of people don't like it. because they don't like to be. disconnected from their their little. [ __ ] binky, their blanket, whatever. it is, their their pacifier that they. have to carry around with them. everywhere. We did a we did a thing on. holiday where we uh put our phones in. the safe in the morning and then checked. came back and checked them in the. evening. It's getting more difficult. because everything, you know, the. podcast you're listening to, the music, everything's hooked up to this, the. pictures, the camera, everything. But if. you can Yeah. Oh my god, it's so.

relaxing. Yeah. I've talked about this. before, but I broke my phone once when I. was in Hawaii and I had to I was on Lai, which is a very small island. So, I had. to order it from Apple and then have it. delivered. And it took like three days. So, for three glorious days, I had no. phone. And it was amazing. I was like, why don't I do this all the time? And. then right back to the phone. Hang on. You showed me just before the show, how. many unanswered text messages do you. have on your phone? I'll tell you right. now. Yeah. I I I think you feel it feels. like you might be disconnected. Well, I.

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betterhelphp.comj. So I I just to keep. from going crazy, you have to be. somewhat disconnected. I've gotten good. at like compartmentalizing going can't. talk right. I don't want to talk to. anybody right now. Just put it aside. And then that creates problems because. then you get 80 friends like everything. okay? Like how come you didn't respond? Like I I got a hundred messages. I can't. respond. Well, you need sometimes you.

need peace more than you need attention. You just got to know your own brain. You. got to know when you're overloaded. And. I know where it is. I know like my. overheat switch. I start to sweat. All. right, I'm too hot. Turn the HD on. You. know what I mean? So I have that sort of. same sense in my brain. I need boredom. I need a little bit of boredom. I I had. this thing recently thought about. boredom is unappreciated. serenity. Like travel. Like I'm. traveling a lot at the moment. I'm on.

tour. And sometimes you're in an airport. and there's nothing much going on and. just chill. Just sit. Yeah. Let. something pop in. Just sit and live. Yeah. Isn't it interesting? It's like. for creative types especially that's. very valuable to be able to have some. time where you just come up with ideas. but instead you just flood them with. nonsense car accidents and boobs and. we're over fast cars and yeah just get. just bombarded with over stimulated and.

I very little of it gets in you know if. I think about like if I listen to a book. on tape like a very interesting book on. tape that's one thing but if I'm just. like doom scrolling like how much good. get how much like if I spend five hours. of just looking at social media and. looking at YouTube what amount of good. stuff is in there is there even 20. minutes of really fascinating [ __ ] that. I absorb in the entire day are you. familiar with that the concept of Lindy.

books yes like the idea of like how long. something's been around is how long it's. going to be around so most stuff on the. internet was produced in the last 24. hours, right? And will be entirely. forgotten in 24 hours. No one ever goes, "Oh, I I got to show you my favorite Tik. Tok from 2 years ago, right? It just. doesn't happen. It's like if they do, they're crazy." Yeah. It's disposable. Oh, no. I got to get away from you. Yeah. You want to show me old Tik Toks? You're a [ __ ] psycho. Yeah. It's. like, but it's that's the nature of it. It's Right. Right. But like crime and.

punishment is not addictive, you know, the book. Yeah. You know, but. Twitter is Yeah. Fascinating, right? Isn't it fascinating that like something. like very valuable, some amazing piece. of literature is not addictive, you know? I wonder Yeah, I wonder with. that. I wonder is it the that thing of. um Ordis Huxley like the idea that Brave. New World our power won't be taken from.

us by some overlords like in 1984 will. give away our power for cheap dopamine. Yes. And the problem with the world is. there's a lot of cheap dopamine on on. offer. So, so you know, um, doom. scrolling or it's it's the same as the, um, is in a in a casino. And then, but. then there's real joy. If you go out and. see live comedy, I think what we're. we're drug dealers, right? Oh, yeah. And. the two drugs, it's dopamine and. serotonin. And the dopamine, you don't.

quite know where the punch line is. coming. You know, there's a punch line, but you don't know quite where it's. going to be. And then there's the. serotonin, the joy of laughter as well. And then you can get a fake version. online. Or video games are like a proxy. for the career that the kid isn't. having, right? There's levels and layers. and then a big boss at the end. It. couldn't be a clearer analogy. Or porn. is a proxy for love and sex. Mhm. It's. like we go for the easy option. Yeah. But actually when you work for it, it's.

it's just better. Right. The thing is. the easy option is available. instantaneously. like you it's very. difficult to go fight in war, but you. can play Call of Duty right now. You. just sit in front of your computer and. then you're playing, you know? So, this. cheap version might keep you from having. a life of adventure because it spoon. feeds you [ __ ] versions of reality. that are very addictive. Okay. So, back. to your work. ethic. So, the idea that you you you.

don't do that you spend time doing. difficult things. Yeah. like the the I. got the cold plunge thing from listening. to you. I was kind of interested in it. and kind of chatted to his friends. I. tried it and loved it. But you're. putting yourself in a very uncomfortable. situation in order for benefits later. Yes. It's a kind of a sacrifice you make. in the moment for something later. Yeah. What what draws us to that? What makes. us do that? The process. So knowing that. other people are completing this process.

and having positive results and then. sort of investing a little bit of time. into it either out of boredom or. curiosity or whatever and then you. realize oh this is real like this is. real in terms of like fitness like if. you want to start running you want to. run a marathon you're like that's. impossible I can't even run around the. block. Well if you run around the block. three days in a row you're going to get. better at running around the block. And. if you keep that up for a couple months, you're like, "Holy [ __ ] I'm getting. around this block pretty easy now." And. then you start expanding your runs and.

the next thing you know, running a. couple miles a day. And next thing you. know, you're entering into a 5K. And. next thing you know, you're running a. half marathon. And then you look back on. that day where you couldn't even run. around the block and you thought running. was impossible. So there's a process and. there's a process of improvement. But. that process requires you to be. uncomfortable and most people are. unwilling to be uncomfortable. So if you. are willing to be uncomfortable, you. will bypass most human beings in. everything you do. Yeah. It's also it's. that thing of like we like that.

prioritizing now. Yeah. Seems to be the. the if you can prioritize later, if you. can sort of um Chris William. gratification. Yeah. Well, Chris. Williamson's got this great uh thing. We. were chatting about it, me and George. Mack and him. It's amazing. He's great. He's the best. But that thing of like 24. hours ahead, like we've all got to serve. someone, right? In life, you got to you. got to serve. And serving yourself in 24. hours is pretty good because it's it's. that thing of like booze is the best. example. Like drinking is you're.

borrowing happiness from tomorrow. Yes. Right. So that in in a very simple way, you know, like the reason also it's like. predatory credit card rates like the. kind of rates that you get when you go. to college and they give you a credit. card and you're a [ __ ] and they get. it's like 39% interest or something like. that, you know? Something crazy. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's like. It's like. you're not just borrowing money. Like. your body's like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah. I. I'm going to need more. I'm going to. need more than you spent." Yeah. I find. that thing of like the it's whenever I. feel anxious or depressed or any of.

those things I always sort of think it's. invariably with me it's a hardware. problem not a software problem. M so. it's like okay have I slept have I. exercised have I eaten correctly uh it's. a good way to put it hardware software. and then you go okay this is a hardware. problem but it's so hard to fix that. when you're depressed it's so hard to. like it's like it's all very well for us. to go well you know go for a run and do. some exercise and have a cold plunge. it's so difficult when you're in that. I'm very empathetic to that state and I.

wonder does it help that we slightly. pathize you know in our language. We say depressed and anxious, not sad. and worried. I I I want I mean I think. for some people it's a listen, you don't. want to you don't want to be trivialize. mental health problems, but you go. sometimes it's just the human condition. We're going to worry about stuff. Certainly, you don't want to trivialize. mental health issues. However, you also understand that there. is a tremendous benefit to being.

physically active that is actually. better than SSRI statistically speaking. Like, so what do you prescribe? Is it. better to prescribe drugs or is it. better to be real with a person and say, "I know this is uncomfortable, but this. is what you're going to have to do." And. it sucks, but it sucks for everybody. And everybody has a test in life. And. this is your test. Your test in life, you know, your test in life is not to. try to win the Super Bowl. Your test in. life is try to get up and not eat. garbage today and drink a bunch of water.

and have some exercise. This is your. test in life. Yeah. I think it's it's. not easy. It's well the the issue is. that you want to be I think kindness, right? Is uh in kindness is it's the. most wonderful thing. It is. And here's. the problem with kindness. There's a lot. of kindness in the moment. Like I've got. kids. You've got kids, right? Your kids. want what do they want to do? They want. to eat McDonald's and they want to watch. TV. But and you want to be kind in the. moment, but you're going to have fat, stupid kids, of course. So you you go,

"Well, let's have some healthy food and. let's read some books and let's run. around outside and maybe they don't want. to do that now." But you got to you got. to be kind to their potential. Yes. Not. just to and and then you kind of. obviously, you know, that it kind of. teaches you that and then you kind of. have to apply it to yourself because you. go, "Well, they're not going to pay. attention to what I say. They're just. going to watch what I do." Sure. Um but. then you know individuals that are. struggling you know that the problem is. if you don't know them you don't know.

like what what are they going through? Is this nonsense or is this like really. serious? Like if they had a really. [ __ ] up life or are they just really. self-indulgent and lazy? Like what are. we dealing with here? Like what are we. dealing with? Are we dealing with like. tremendous depression because of like. physical and sexual abuse and beatings. and violence in the house? Are we. dealing with that or are we dealing with. some kid who their parents doted on them. too much and the maybe the parents were.

super negative which is very. uh that is very contagious. Like if you. have like very negative family members. and then everybody in the family is. always complaining. It's always. something's wrong and someone did. something to them and it's there's no. joy. I don't think I think you realize. and maybe you do. I don't think you. realize how much you help people. How. like having these conversations on here. They help me. I think they help all of. us. We're all human beings. We're we all. go through weird [ __ ] Just being a. person. Yeah. It's not easy. and but.

having these conversations and but I. think there's something about uh you. specifically like the martial arts. stuff, the it's a very alpha thing and. then you're a stand-up comedian and very. admired by your peers and you can have. conversations about this stuff and I. think it really cuts through to a group. that wouldn't hear that. I mean for me. that that thing that you're saying there. is about it's about agency and empathy. and I think there's a problem in our.

society that we give agency to people we. don't like and we give empathy to people. that we do like. you know so if there's like a right-wing. Nazi rally we say they knew what they. were doing we give them agency punish. them Elon Musk with the Hitler salute. right okay so we say he knew what he was. doing okay and then if we really like. someone we give empathy and yes that's a. great great example and and sympathy and. the issue is we we need to give everyone.

both yes because you go look no one is. going to care about you more than you. you need to take responsibility for for. this and you need to you know do you. know it's it's very very tough because. you you want to be you want to give that. agency and empathy to to everyone to. give them the tools. to have a better life. Yeah. And the. more happy people are, the more happy. people there will be. It'll expand. It's. not like it's it's not 1 + 1 equals two.

It just it's exponential. It. accelerates. The the more people are. happy and enjoying their life, the more. you will enjoy your life. And that's. just part of a community. It's the. natural human reward system that's set. up to make sure that we all get along. together and we continue to procreate. and have a wonderful society until we. meld with the machine which is coming. any day now. I hope you're ready. I. don't know. You want to hear my hot take. on AI? I would love to. All right. My. hot take on AI is we were not made in.

God's image, but we so wanted there to. be a God. We made one in our image. So. if you think about the attributes of AI, it's all knowing, all powerful, can. perform miracles. It lives in a cloud. Sorry. Is that God or AI? Wow. It's. interesting. So at the moment, it's. emerging. It's an emerging God, right? It's not even done growing yet. At the. moment, it's the oracle of Delelfi. It's.

like a 10-year-old right now, though. It's not even an adult. Yeah. And then. where's it going to? Yeah. So, the idea. of like the interesting thing about AI. is it's the the gap between me and I. don't know who's the smartest guy we. know, Eric Weinstein. Mhm. Used to be. enormous. And now the gap is getting. smaller because AI can just I can ask. it. Yeah. Yeah. [ __ ] I got all the. answers right here. Yeah. It's weird. what's going on in our I had a I had a. gag about it about you know like a bit. uh about in our universities you know.

the students are using AI to write their. essays and then the tutors are using AI. to mark the essays and then after 3. years AI gets the job. It actually seems. very fair. Yeah, it's probably what's. going to happen that what you're saying. is very funny. It's like it is accurate. though. It does seem to resemble a god. Well, I wonder do you ever you know who. Mark Marshall McLuhan is? Of course. The. Canadian one of the great great lines of. all time. Human beings are the sex. organs of the machine world.

Yeah. Oh, I get I get like tingles. Yeah, that one gives you and I I think. that I gave a shortened version of it. I. think it's even longer. Um but it's. fascinating because it's so it's so. never more true than today. Never more. true. like if if we are really giving. birth to. AI this well I wonder what will change I. wonder I'm I'm very optimistic right so. 120 years ago 95% of the population.

worked in al agriculture and they worked. 16 hours a day and it was a very very. tough life and then we moved to the. cities and we worked in factories and uh. you know the unions they don't get the. credit they deserve they gave us the. weekend oh yeah and now we think human. beings work 5 days and we have two days. off. That's how that's the world, right? But it's it's different. It's changing. now. It's like it's going to change. again. And we'll look back and go, I.

mean, we're incredibly privileged that. we're born right now. And here it is. Man becomes, as it were, the sex organs. of the machine world as the bee of the. plant world enable it to fundicate and. evolve ever new. forms. Oh, fcundate rather. Machine. world reciprocates man's love by. expediting his wishes and desires, namely in providing him with wealth. It's not as eloquent as the organs. machine world. I think I I think you. nailed it, didn't you? My version of it.

a little better. It's his words. I think. we're the electronic caterpillar that's. going to become a butterfly. That's what. I think. I think we're giving birth to a. new form of life. That's what I think. We're I love that thing with uh that. book, The Beginning of Infinity. I can't. get over that. What book is that? Who. wrote that? It's uh uh beginning of. infinity. I think it's uh David Deutsch. Uh and it's the Can you Yeah. Can you. show? Yeah. What's the beginning of the. book? So the the the idea of the. beginning of infinity is that if we can.

get through. this phase in humanity, right? There's. been 100 billion people so far, 110. billion. There's 9 billion at the. moment. 8 billion, 9 billion. If we can. get through this, if we can get off. planet, maybe there are trillions of. people in the future, trillions, right? Maybe humanity spreads out across the. galaxies in the universe for the next 13. billion years. like the idea that if we. can get through this now, this little. phase that we're in, we're having a.

little bit of difficulty here with a. couple of uh uh possible problems, and. if we can get through. it, like the the the sc the scientific. meme, the idea that that we we've. created these machines, but really. through through science. Mhm. Like the. technology that we have is brilliant. And if we can negotiate, if we can like. have a little bit of peace in the world, the war. Yeah. If we can avoid the war. and really, you know, avoiding the war, I think, is I think is possible. I think.

the most All right, here's here's a. take. I think the most incredible piece. of technology that we have, I'm very. optimistic about the world. Like, you. could look at the state of the world and. go, it's it's terrible. But I look at. like I look at America, I look at the. UK, and I look at the footfall. So, where do people want to come? Well, they. want to come and they want to live here, right? And what's the most important. piece of technology in America? I would. argue the Constitution. The Constitution. You sort of don't. think of it as a piece of technology,

but it it really is. And it's allowed. all of this. It's an operating system. It's a brilliant operating system. And. you can prove that culture is downstream. of institutions and freedom because you. go look at, okay, here's the great. examples, right? East and West Germany, North and South Korea, right? Exactly. the same people, like exactly the same. culturally. And they got this system, they got this system, East and West. Germany, you got the stars over here, hell on earth, North Korea, whatever the.

[ __ ] is going on there, right? And then. you get South Korea, I mean, flourishing, right? Incredible culture. You get West Germany and craft work, Cuba and Miami. Yeah. Yeah. It's 90 miles away. But okay, so here's. the thing. How many people in the world. now? 9 billion, 8 billion. It's a lot. something, right? Half a billion get. Okay. So, there's there's the UK, there's US, there's Canada, there's. Australia. Okay. They're all I mean ex.

British colonies. Yeah. I'll I'll take. the win. But but those institutions. those institutions are uh set up in a. certain way that's allowed flourishing. where people want to come here. Yeah. Okay. So either we accept 9 billion. people into our countries or we export. our institutions. I I think we should be. we should be writing uh or or coming up.

with great constitutions for nations. that we want to see in the future. You. and I think very much alike. I've said. the same thing. I think the the thing. the highlight when people are talking. about um immigration into this country, one of the big ones is wouldn't you do. this if you were in another world? Of. course. Of course I would. If I lived in. a third world country and I had a chance. to make a better life and come to. America, 100% I would do it. But the the. real question is why is it so bad over. there? And what can we do to make that. better? instead of bringing them in here.

to make their lives better. Why not make. the whole world it's possible to make. the whole the only problem with that is. you lose your cheap labor. Okay. Well, I'm I I I mean, it's the it's the right. wing in America that that you know, the. idea of going, "Okay, we're going to get. rid of the southern border to bring in. cheap labor is a crazy idea because all. we're doing is we're you know, we. outsource. uh and and this problem has been what is. was ever thus. George Orwell was once. asked what do you think of the British.

working classes and he said they live in. India.". He's a smart guy. But you go that. globalization, the idea of going along. with tech help, but it's the idea if we. go we often export our our um our the. things that we're conscious about. So we. go, okay, so we're we we shut down all. the coal mines in the UK and now we. import coal. Oh, okay. Is that I mean. it's one it's one world we live in, right? They're not even under union.

rules. Yeah. Yeah. So you're getting. like unethically sourced coal. It's the. whole of humanity matters. Mhm. It's the. it's the that um Derek Parett's that. brilliant guy who who he's a. philosopher. He wrote this brilliant. thing called reasons and persons. It's a. brilliant book and it's kind of about. that idea that you you got to care about. humanity temporally and spatially. You. got to care about people in the future. and you got to care about people. everywhere. Yeah. And the idea if you go. look we got to make the places people. are fleeing from livable. And I think we.

have proved over the last uh 50 years. regime change is not what we're great. at, right? So it comes down we're going. to get it right one one of these days. Just give it a chance. Sure. It's like. the first car wasn't a good car either, you know, but now we have really good. cars. It just takes time. Sure, Jimmy. Sure. Sure. Sure. We just need to. practice more. Here's what I think it. is. Agency and empathy on a global. scale. Yeah. sort of like giving those. nations that are in horrific trouble and.

that no one seems to care about agency. Yeah. But maybe it's that that thing of. like going the the American. Constitution, I don't know where it was. written, but it was like uh I think it. was like intellectuals from around the. world were like chipping in with ideas. and they came up with this. incredible document and look at the. flourishing that's come out of it. Look. at what it's achieved. Like imagine. if imagine if something like that. happens in China. Imagine in our. lifetime that they they go with a.

different system and it's more because. at the moment China is kind of you know. it's a covers band. Mhm. You know, it. doesn't it it takes a lot of. intellectual property and it has its own. version of Facebook and its own version. of Google and its own version of but it. doesn't What is it about America that. that that allows this entrepreneurial. spirit that allowed Silicon Valley to. happen? Well, they've got an interesting. approach because they still have a very. entrepreneurial spirit as well. They've. got a weird sort of a merging of.

communism and capitalism. Like it's. state-run capitalism like but they still. have insane innovation. Like China's. technological innovation is probably. greater than ours in a lot of areas. In. the areas of electric vehicles for sure, in the areas of drones for sure. Um, I. don't know if you saw this, but there. there was some sort of a mother ship. drone that they're going to launch. That. is this enormous vehicle that can that.

drones can launch off of and Okay. I. mean, this feels like Yeah, it's. dangerous. It's like they they have some. spectacular drone capabilities and um. they also have electric cars that if you. don't follow these uh obscure car review. people online that review Chinese. electric cars, you'd have no idea. Like. these cars are insane. They have cars. that do like a 360. Like it'll sit there.

parked and it'll just spin in a circle. if you want to. So, if you want to take. a U-turn, instead of having to go all. the way around, your car would just spin. around in a circle and go back the other. way. Weird stuff, man. Like, insane. technology inside the vehicles, like. spectacular looking cars. Yeah, they're they're on the verge of, you know, passing us in many areas. because there's a lot of regulation in. regards to drone uh technology in.

particular in this country. if you want. to be a drone pilot. Is that going to is. that going to change now post Ukraine? I. mean that's the first drone war. I don't. know. It's [ __ ] It's it's all scary. You know, the drone thing is weird. because if you allow everyone to have. drones like you'd get that sometimes. where like you see people dealing with. drones over their house like is that. legal? Can you just fly over my [ __ ]. house with a drone? Turns out it is. Turns out it is legal. Well, how much of. it as well? Like I mean I'm talking to. the right guy here, but how much of the.

alien stuff that we watched in the 1950s. and60s was that technology being tested. in America? So this is the drone. mothership. This is the drone mother. ship that China's created. So this is. enormous ship that can send. thousands of drones off. Do you think it. would be sensible for you and I to. pledge allegiance to the Chinese. Communist Party now sort of on the. record? We should learn. I think it's a. good time to learn Mandrin. I think. Wow. That John Cena was right. Look at.

that. 25 meters wide. Wow. That's that's wild. That's big. Yeah. I mean, it feels like the corner. of a football field. I don't know. So, it's war is changing, isn't it? I mean, it's But it used to be I suppose it's. always changing. It was used to be guys. in you wear blue, we'll wear red. we'll. line up and then we'll just smash it. out. And there was those days were over, but there was no civilian casualties. It.

was kind of it kind of worked. And then. there's guerrilla warfare and there's. what's going on now and there's the. drones and Yeah. Here's a Okay. Here's a. weird question. All right. Okay. Okay. So, the assassination of JFK. People are. absolutely fascinated, right? And what's. been released and what what's No one. seems to care about the guy that shot. Trump. I think they do, too. But there. was very little information that's. available. And we're we're hoping. there'll be more information now that uh. Cash Patel and Dan Bonino are in the.

FBI, but I'm not I I saw them recently. talk about Epstein and they're saying. that Epstein was he definitely committed. suicide. I'm like definitely. Oh, cuz especially but like but but. you know that it's the terrible kind of. um uh the the lag from co the you know. the long co um from a psychological. perspective is trust. We've lost a lot. of trust because anyone that said it was. a lab leak at the time was a maniac and.

then you know so so you go when they. tell us oh no no he committed suicide. you go well it's hard to believe now. Yeah. Well, it's al it's way worse than. it was a concerted effort that's was. coordinated and you could follow the. paper trail now. Like what used to be a. conspiracy theory is now just facts. Like the you know there was one thing. that came out where God what's the. difference between a conspiracy theory. and a fact isn't it's five years now. Find out who did it was Yale. Yale did a.

study before the vaccine was even. released where they. were running the effects of shaming. people to try to coersse them into. taking a medication to decrease vaccine. hesitancy. And I think there's there was. they were running terms like trust the. science. It's it it's it's crazy because. it's the it's the baby in the bath water.

because they they did that and then you. go and then there's there's going to be. more measles in America and more kids. wearing glasses that thick and going. deaf from measles because they're not. taking the good vaccine. So it's it's. for me it's like that idea of trust is. such a you know we talk about. institutions and the constitution and. the and checks and balances and we we. need trust in our society. That's one of. the great things that came out of again. that's the Catholic Church. Well, the. the real problem in this country when it.

comes to things like vaccines is we have. narratives and we either have narratives. that all of them are bad or we have. narratives that all of them are good and. trusting the science. We have these it. gets strange. And then when the real. problem in this country happened when. they absolved all pharmaceutical drug. companies from any sort of liability for. vaccines and they did that because. vaccines have side effects even if they. are effective they have side effects.

It's part of the good and bad about. them. Yeah. there's going to be some. people that have so they were getting so. many lawsuits that they were threatening. to no longer produce vaccines. So during. the Reagan administration he gave them. blanket immunity and then they started. doing things like prescribing hepatitis. B shots to babies which doesn't make any. [ __ ] sense. It's a sexually. transmitted disease you get from dirty. needles and sex and you're you're giving. that vaccine to babies and it's kind of. dangerous and they did it because people.

weren't taking it. And so then you get a. thing where you're just trying to profit. more and because you have this blanket. immunity, you're taking advantage of. this position, which is what. corporations do. Well, yeah. I mean, they're they're motivated by profit. Like here's here's the simple solution. Like super simple. Ban advertising for. Yeah. medications. I mean only it's New. Zealand and America that that allow. pharmaceuticals to be advertised 100%. And you go, well, what are we doing?

Well, that's it's unnecessary. Well, the. real dark part of that is not the that. people get influenced to try these. medications or to trust in these. medications because of the. advertisement. The real problem is it's. such an immense part of the network's. revenue that they will no longer do. investigations on vaccine side effects. or pharmaceutical drug side effects or. do stories about things like Vio from. the market killing 50,000 plus people.

We've got to motivate those companies, right? It can't just be the profit. because it's like the thing that I worry. about is antibiotics, right? So. antibiotics are what an incredible piece. of technology, right? People used to die. from a [ __ ] rusty nail, snagged them. and they would die, right? So, modern. medicine has given we have to look at. what's what the positive side is. There's a immense positive side. pharmaceutical drugs. You're talking to. a man in his 50s with a hair transplant. I've had a bit of work done. Don't even. stamp me on the Viagra. I've got a lot.

to be thankful for for medical science. Right. So, I a big farmer. Great. They've done a lot of good and then and. then but other stuff the the antibiotics. like there's there's there's things that. are resistant now to antibiotics. They. need new antibiotics but there's nothing. in it for the pharmaceutical companies. to invest in that. So I think that at a. governmental level needs to be look give. them give them the money to do it right. if you have oversight to make sure. there's not fraud and waste and that. that is a problem when you give people. money. But the what you're saying is.

100% true. there there's undeniable good. that comes from pharmaceutical drugs. The problem is not scientists and not. medical science. So you have medical. scientists that are constantly trying to. figure out new ways to stop Parkinson's. disease, new ways to cure cancer. All. this is wonderful, but then you have the. money people. How do we get this out. there? And how do we maybe we get this. out there before it's ready? Maybe we. just [ __ ] tell people it's ready when. it's not. Maybe you fudge a few tests.

Maybe you run some really [ __ ] sneaky. studies where you're only analyzing. things in a certain very particular lens. because you want them to be shown to be. effective. But you go, look, you know, and I don't mind people if someone comes. up with a cure for cancer, they should. profit. I don't mind. They can be a. trillionaire. But the thing is, they're. never satisfied. When you have a. publicly traded company, they never are. satisfied. They never go, "Guys, we're. doing great. If we just make this amount. of money every year, like that's.

wonderful. Let's just like let's hang. back. I think our profits are very high. Let's do good. Let's try to do the most. amount of good. No, no, no corporation. Well, it's an interesting thing where. socialism has become such a a dirty. word, but everyone agrees to some. extent, right? There's areas of life, sure, where you go, well, there has to. be a level of. um socialism. So, contribution, we have. to contribute. Okay. The fire service is. great. I use that same one all the time.

But you got everyone agrees, right? Okay, if your house burns down, okay, we're going to have a fire service and. it comes and it's it's not like, oh, we. don't take care of that. Public. education. Well, I think education I. think we could get there sooner because. you look at some of the stuff that's. available online now and it's just it's. it's incredible. It's like it's it's. there. I mean, I slightly think on. education that we should do do the right. thing, right? Instead of pumping the. economy by printing more money and. quantitive easing, I think America and.

the UK should cancel all student debt. because we misold people some [ __ ]. degrees, right? 100%. And the idea that. student debt, right? So, you're taking. those people that took a chance and they. went to university and they gave their. time and they studied hard. And there's. there's a theory that woke came out of. elite over production. So they people. did everything right. They went to. school, they studied hard, they went to. university, they studied hard, they got.

a degree, and then they they can't buy a. house. They can't because, you know, maybe maybe the the degree doesn't grow. corn. It's not in in a STEM subject. It's in the humanities or something. And. then they they don't get the lifestyle. that they worked hard for. I think we. cancel their debt. I mean, I don't want. to sound like a communist here, but free. education is not crazy because it's an. asset to your society. If you say it's a. giant subsidized business in in America, at least it's a giant subsidized.

business and they're not going to let it. go. The reason why there's a really. strong reason why it was free when I. went when I went to university. It's the. one debt you cannot absolve in America, even with bankruptcy. Why? Because it's. a scam. It's the dirtiest thing ever. because look, if you're a 45year-old man. who's taken a lot of risks with your. business and you go bankrupt, you're. absolved. You're but you're an educated. person with a lot of life experience and. you did risky things and you failed, you're allowed to go bankrupt. But if.

you're an 18-year-old kid and you assume. a. $200,000 four-year loan to go to. Harvard, you got to pay that forever for. the rest of your life. And it it gets. interest. you it compounds. I think I. don't I I don't evil I can't see the. downside in because you go this is the. richest nation not just in the world the. richest nation there's ever been and you. go an investment in and maybe you change. it and you go well actually university. is a lot more difficult to get into now.

because it's going to be free so it's. going to be like it's going to be super. difficult to get in there it's still. difficult to get into even if it's. expensive right now it's not easy to get. into like Yale or Harvard it's very. difficult to get into it it's not going. to help you the the the The real problem. is always going to be the fact that. you're paying so much money when you're. too young to know what that even means. You're too young to be connected to. $50,000 debt when you're 18. You don't. know what it means. You're 18 years old. You don't know what that kind of debt. means. And the fact that it's going to.

follow you around forever and haunt you. But also, it's like it's the um uh. middle class and upper class kids that. can take on that kind of debt, right? And the working class of the halves and. have nots forever. Yeah. But but. education was the great kind of. equalizer, right? because it was you. were able to change your social class. through you know if you go to school and. you work hard you go education should be. listen I'm not saying that there there. can be equality because I think we're.

all born with different gifts right yes. you and I disagree about work ethic but. that the idea that we're all born with. different attributes right so there's. never going to be equality but the. opportunity to educate yourself and to. and to do better is like that that's. sort of part of the American dream isn't. it I I don't even think we disagree. about work ethic. I think it can be. acquired as well. I'm sure it's probably. heritable in some way. It's probably. very cultural, too. But I think you. learn it, too. Well, I think you I think. you've learned it. I think that thing of.

I think what you've done in martial. arts, how you do anything is how you do. everything. I look at what you've done. with the mothership. I look at your. comedy career. I look at how you treat. your body. Everything's the same. It's. the same. It's you got a you got a work. ethic that's very consistent across. different fields. How you do the. podcast? Have you missed a week ever? Like you're just very consistent with. stuff. Well, that's the key to getting. better at things in life. It's just it's. not always fun. And this is what people.

have to understand. You're not always. going to enjoy what you do if you have a. process. I'm doing my best here, Joe. Sorry. Yeah, you're doing great. The. process at the end of it though is what. you're looking for. You're looking for. results and if you want to the people. that can get results are the ones that. can go through the most difficulty. Well, I think yeah that thing of what. you and then you just sort of enjoy. I. don't know. I think that thing of. ambition like the process is so. enjoyable. The process of like becoming.

a better comic is such a joyful. experience where you just go like at the. end of every show I take out a note pad. and try new jokes. And you just go that. iteration of like getting better and you. know a new one works. It's the most. exciting thing in the world. Just. absolutely love it. And you kind of go. and it's uh I forget if it's tilic or. antitic. I don't really know what the. but it's a task without end. It's just. you keep on doing this thing. Yes. And. it's just and you just there's no end in.

sight. You there's no it's not like. you're arriving at this perfect state. Yeah. It's the I suppose it's it's the. idea that it's kind of messy, but it's. it's lovely to kind of you feel yourself. progressing and you you should enjoy the. process the process of uncomfortable. feelings and a little bit of pre-show. anxiety and then doing the show and then. things go great or things go badly. Sometimes things go badly is even better. because then it forces you to like.

really like intensely look at the set. and like okay why did that joke bomb. like what what went wrong here? Like. what is it about it that's let me like. deconstruct this thing? Do do I have. like have I been doing it this way out. of habit? I think there's something in. the idea it's worked before. So what is. wrong? And it'll make you like put much. much more attention to a thing. Yeah. I. think that Well, I think that thing in. comedy like failure is your friend. Oh. yeah. Failure is you kind of you make. friends with it and you're kind of okay.

with it. Yeah. It's f and then in life. it's like you're able to take chances. and kind of mess things up and go it's. all right. Give it another go. Yeah. Yeah. There's that's the martial arts. thing. We win or we learn. Yeah. When you win, you kind of learn. that the process is going well. You know. that you you have competence. You're. you're good at it now. And then that. motivates you to continue the process. But losing is like so horrible that you. have to like completely reassess what. you're doing. And oftentimes you amp up.

your intensity and amp up your. dedication because you don't want to. feel the the pain of losing again. The. same with a bombing set. Like some of my. if I look back on my early career in. comedy, some of the big leaps I had was. after horrific. bombings. You have a hor like a year in. or so. You have a horrific bombing and. then you go, "Oh my god, I might not. even be able to do this." I got to. really [ __ ] focus cuz Brian Simpson. said something really funny the other. night in the green room. He said, "The. thing about being a comedian is you. can't be a shitty boss and a shitty.

employee.". Oh, I like that. Yeah. I was like, "Oh, you just nailed it." Brian's one of. those guys. He drops those gems like. that. He'll just like out of nowhere. like you got to always listen when that. guy is ready to drop a gem. That's a gem. because as a comic, no one's telling you. what to do. You You're responsible for. yourself. It's I I did uh Kill Tony last. night with uh Tony Hinchliffe who's. who's at once the meanest [ __ ].

in the world and also the kindest man in. comedy. Yeah. Cuz you look at the. careers that he's launching like every. every 3 four weeks he's launching like a. new name and then they're touring and. they're playing clubs and they're having. a great time and it's it's that thing of. like you can't beat your environment. So. to be around people not just that you. like but that you want to be like. Sure. So you're creating this little thing, this little space like the uh and the. mothership's got this little community. around it now of people that they want.

to get better and they're they're. looking around and it's you know and you. came here because Ron White was here, right? I mean in in no small part, a big. part and then you built this thing and. it's it's Field of Dreams. Look how many. people are coming. And then I'm very. excited to see in 20 years. Yeah. Who. comes out of this scene. I've just I I. actually flew in on Sunday to go down. and see Chappelle. So I went to see his. new club in Yellow Springs. I heard it's. great. I mean it's insane. But that club.

only exists when he's there, right? Yeah. I think it's only like he runs. shows when he wants to run shows. I. think it's going to become something. more than that. I think it's I think. that's what he's he's planted a seed. there. Yeah. And I think it's going to. grow. And it's a small town, but it's a. town with a lot of pull. It's like the. It's almost too beautiful a town. Yellow. Springs. You kind of walk through and. go. It's like the Steepford Wives. It's. like so perfect. You know who's got. playing this weekend? Oh, the whole of. the Wuang Clan are coming. It's a 220.

seater. Okay. I think it may be one of. the few occasions where more people are. on stage than offstage. The audience may. be smaller than the band. Yeah. Wuang. can stack it in there. That should be. wild. That'd be amazing. Yeah, that's. Dave. He's a But he draws people. He's a. magnet, you know. He really is. Yeah, he's a beautiful person. Very very. unusual human being. I don't know. anybody like him. No, he's a he's a.

unique. Well, as are you. It's your. nonfgeible human beings. There's no one. else you go. He's a bit like that. No, it's just he's his own thing. It's a. wonderful thing. There's a there's a. real like I think in. comedy it's that thing where we're we're. out for ourselves but in it together. Yeah. Alan Hav told me that and I. remember thinking it's kind of true cuz. we're we're all in this business and. there's like a sometimes you see comics. arguing or you know [ __ ] talking other. comics online or something. You go what. are you doing? There's a the narcissism.

of small differences where people go oh. I don't like his observational stuff or. he's hacky or something. go. We're all. in the same business. Yeah. Most of. those people are just jealous. That's. just a pettiness. It's always people. that are they think have success that. they don't deserve. No one ever hates. you for doing worse than them. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. It's all silly. It's. really silly. It's foolish. And. unfortunately, some of them are good. comics, too, that are doing it's like. they but they don't have any friends. They're islands, right? And one of the.

ways that I describe comics, I go, you're either like a village or an. island. And villages do way better than. islands. So, an island is a man on on. his own out there that does his own. shows and doesn't has an opening act and. doesn't hang out with comics. There's a. lot of those guys and unfortunately they. they have the same opening act that that. guy that becomes his job. He's just an. opening act now and he only works when. he works with the headliner and then. they travel around the country and the. guy never and then you you watch the act. deteriorate. You watch the act start to.

fall apart and get softer. This is this. is what you know it's the the great. thing you've done is thrown down a a. rope bridge. You're up there and you. throw down the bridge and you bring. people with you. Well, what we did is. create a real workshop and a real. community where there's an actual path. like there's a path from open mic night. which we had we have two nights a week. to becoming a door person where you can. get spots occasionally and you'll be. watched by the best talent coordinator.

in the world, Adam. Adam Eaggan. He's. He's the best. He's the best. He's in. Hawaii this week. I'm missing him. Oh, well, he'll be back. No, he's he's. coming to London to see Oasis with me. Oh, is he really? Oh, wow. That should. be incredible. We're going to have Don't. they hate each other? They hate each. other with their touring together. Na. Yeah, but I think there's a I think. there's a lot of money. There's there's. there's an amount of money you can put. down and go. You should get null on this. show. I would love to. N is so fun. I. love them. I love them. But so the the. back to the mothership, the the thing.

about it is we we set it up to be a. place where people can develop and and. show them a path. And then there's Kill. Tony, which is the perfect like anchor. of the entire community because with. Kill Tony, you get to watch people that. do their first time ever on stage or. maybe they came from Seattle, they've. been kind of struggling for 5 years and. they do a one minute on stage and all a. sudden they get a golden ticket and then. all a sudden they become a regular on. the show and then all a sudden they're. selling out all over the country and. then you're in this group of people that.

are like really enthusiastic about this. art form that I think is one of the most. underappreciated yet very respected and. very loved art forms. It's it's really. paradoxical because on one hand it's. dismissed as being like a bunch of fools. and the other hand it's like everybody. wants to go see a good one. Yeah. Who's. it who's dismissed by? I mean it's it is. that thing where you go it's I think. because it's a sense of humor is. whatever that there's that great old. quote of laughter is the shortest. distance between two people. I think.

there's a real connection to comics. because you laugh with your friends and. your family and you laugh with this. comedian. And if you think about. friendship, I I think about friendship. like um uh filters. Like if you sit next. to someone on a plane, you got a lot of. filters, right? You chat about the. weather or the local sports team, whatever. And then you get really close. to someone, you got no filters. Your. best friend in the world is a guy you. got no filters with. I think comedy is. not respected because most people can. talk and most people are funny. occasionally. So they think I could do.

it. But most people can't hit a fast. ball. Most people can't play tennis like. a professional. Most people can't do. that. So you watch someone do that and. you go I can't even do that. But you see. someone on stage talking like I could. talk. What's what's so hard about that? I just have to figure out the right. words to say and I could be Jimmy Carr. Right. Right. Because everybody can. talk. I think that's part of the. problem. That's why it doesn't get. appreciated the same way music gets. appreciated. So like if there's. plagiarism in music like um there's so. there's so many songs where a lick in.

the song just one thing about the song. and then the people like uh bittersweet. symphony they had to give all their. money to the Rolling Stones. Yeah. They. didn't make any money from that song. Nothing. Or the the weirder one was the. uh was it blurred lines? Was it and and. it wasn't even that it was the same it. was the same feel as a Marvin Gay song. The same feel seems like a stretch. I. don't remember that one. I thought they. did decide that it was like the beats. were copied, but but you know, I've talked to friends. that are musicians and like listen,

there's only so many different ways you. can put together uh a beat and rhythms. It's like you're going to get. similarities all the time. And it. doesn't necessarily mean that it's. plagiarism, but plagiarism in comedy. like outwardly dismissed. Like there's. no lawsuits, but yet comedians. No, it's. self pleasing though. It's. self-pleasing. It's like if someone does. that, you go I mean now and that's the. first time I ever saw you was calling. out. Yeah. But before that, a lot of. people got away with it, man. A lot of.

people built careers off of plagiarism. Well, even the great Robin Williams had. that had that reputation. Yeah, he did. Because it was he was doing kind of this. other thing. I don't know. Well, it's. like when you're just freeballing and. you get stuck, you just take somebody. else's stuff. And back then there was no. internet, so there's no accountability. Like I think that's just the big part of. this equation is the internet comes. along. And there's, you know, there's. been so many instances of a a comedian's. career now like really [ __ ] crashing.

because the internet sleuths, they start. looking at it and they go, "No, no, no. This is this came from that that came. from this. Like her special here is like. his this is his bit. This is her bit. These are This is all plagiarized and. just reworked horseshit. Yeah. The way. you can tell the way you can tell is. when they have another special after. they've been called out and then it's. horrible, right? There's just no. content. Well, it's that thing of like. you have to give the world irrefutable. proof you are who you say you are. You. know, if it's one joke, fine. If it's.

10,000 jokes, you go, "Okay, this is. something." I mean, we spoke about this. last time, that thing of because I'm. working on a thing with my friend Amanda. Baker and Abby Grant. They came and they. taught at the mothership. Yes. because. we're trying to work on this book about. like teaching comedy in the same way. that people teach music, like having a. language of it and and taking some of. the alchemy and the mystery away from. that and sort of thinking about well. what really you know not to not to say. that it's like a something AI can do or.

a machine can do but the idea of like. teaching people the structure of it so. so that it's less kind of you know hey. it just comes to me on stage right maybe. codifying it a little bit more. And I. mean, I'm working with these two. incredible women, Abby Grant and Amanda. Baker, on the on the book, and it's it's. taken a long time, but I I do think it's. something that if you could teach it in. schools, the idea of comedy, even as. opposed to music, which is wonderful to. learn, and you appreciate music much. more if you've ever given the guitar a. go because you can appreciate what.

they're doing. Yeah. But the idea of. comedy is being taught because you go, well, it's you have to write down and. order your thoughts. That's a value. You. have to learn how to communicate and. speak publicly. That's a value. And then. you're speaking in your authentic voice. And that the saddest thing most people. live and die and they never speak in. their own authentic voice. Yeah. It's a. it's a it's a great thing to give kids. I think I think it'd be a great thing. to, you know, if it's an afterchool. activity, I would sign my kids up. Yeah.

I mean, there's definitely value to it. And even if you don't have that style of. comedy, like a jokewriting style, even. if you're more of a storyteller, you. like a Ron White type where you tell. stories, there's always value in. learning different techniques to craft. material and craft jokes. But I look at. what toolbox I mean, my love language is. the oneliner. I I like jokes and it's. it's quite old-fashioned in a way, you. know? It's like it's a very oldfashioned. kind of way of and it's less about my. life, but you're like a folk singer. Yeah. And then I'm but then I'm trying.

to I've got a good fast ball and then. I'm trying to work on the the other. bits. But that's kind of what I love. about the industry because it's it's. everything. It's all Yeah. I can get. good at that and then I can I can do. like 20 minutes of fast balls and then. do I started about a year ago I started. putting I started working with a. videographer and putting stuff out of. like heckle videos and people talking to. me. and you go it's just such a joyful thing. because it's almost like doing the stuff. when you go just hit me whatever you.

want I'll do anything. It's like seeing. a magician do real magic because you. kind of go, "Right, yeah, I've worked. this muscle hard enough. I can I'll. write jokes live for you now, please.". Have you done bottom of the barrel? No. What's bottom of the barrel? Bottom of. the barrel is Brian Simpson show at the. mothership where you have a whiskey. barrel and you reach your hand into the. whiskey barrel to pull out suggestions. for topics. So the audience, the. audience, Provenza used to have. set list. Do you remember that? There. was set list. Yeah. But that was not.

provided by the audience, I don't. believe. I think No, that was like and. it was a bit hat and a hat like. sometimes it'd be just crazy things. Mhm. But it was uh Yeah, there's been a. bunch of different versions of that. Um. there was another one um stand up on the. spot. It was an LA one where you have. the audience like raise their hand and. come up with a But the problem with that. one is then you encourage people to just. yell out and so while you're in the. middle of talking about something, someone else will yell out a different. subject because they're just greedy and. they just don't want, you know what I. mean? Like you have to have good. audience participation in that one. But.

again that thing of like going it's. performative being in the audience. Yes. Like I always think that thing with. hecklers like there's a there's more. hecklers in the UK like when you travel. around the world like so I'm touring. everywhere like all over America, UK, Australia, New Zealand that every. territory. And you notice different. places have different traditions when it. comes to heckling. Like that's the. biggest thing you notice when you. travel. Like in North America, people. are very slow to shout out during a show. because they think they're Am I spoiling. the show? Am I ruining this? And I.

actively encourage like I don't mind if. it's a little bit aggressive because. we're all in service of the evening, right? We're all in service of like I. don't mind if you win. Well, that's. confusing for the audience because some. people don't want any heckles. Yeah. Sometimes it is like a some comics just. want to they have a set and they want to. just perform their set. Yeah, I know. I. like it when people join. Like no one. wants someone to talk over their. punchline. That's a problem. But you're. going into an agreement with a bunch of. drunks and a lot of them are just, you. know, they're not that smart in the.

first place and so they don't even. understand when to yell out and so. they're yelling out while you're in the. middle of something else. Yeah. And I. mean, I'm very lucky with I suppose it's. that thing with you can, you know, uh. it's self- selecting. you you audience. come and they find you and it's sure but. sometimes crazy people just show up at. your audience. Oh my god. If I had to. compile I maybe I should compile a video. of me kicking people out of shows. Well. now they know you do that too so they. probably look forward to doing it with.

you and so you get kind of the wrong. kind of people that are encouraged to. yell [ __ ] out. No, I get I get pretty. good most of the time. I get pretty good. because I was. think it's only like 1%. Yeah. I I don't. know if they're buying tickets. They. should buy two tickets, shouldn't they? Sure. I don't think they think they're. two different people. I think one for. each personality. I think schizophrenia. is just like your connection to the. world is frayed. Yeah. Jesus. There. But. for the grace of God. Yeah. We don't. even understand what that feels like.

And you know, there's a guy who was. schizophrenic that as the disease. progressed, uh he um was an artist. And as his. disease progressed, you could see his. art getting [ __ ] weirder and weirder. and more abstract and distorted. It's it's the most horrifying thing. It's a horrifying It's one of the most, you know, there's a bunch of really. horrifying ones. Luke Garri's disease. There's a bunch bunch of different. things that just you just go [ __ ]. Again, gratitude. Just be happy that you.

don't have that. And uh that's another. good solid reason to try to take care of. your physical body. Yeah. Make that. [ __ ] work for you. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Don't have it [ __ ] malfunctioning if. you can avoid it. I think kind of food. is the thing as well. Food is the. medicine before medicine. Like just try. and It's hard on the road. It is. The. best way to do it on the road for me is. carnivore. I just only eat meat when I'm. on the road. Well, I do that most of the. time anyway, but when I'm on the road, it makes everything so much simpler.

Just mostly just eat meat. Are you. traveling much at the moment? Are you on. the road much? You're not? No. Even when. I did my uh last special, my Netflix. special, I prepared for it entirely at. my own club. And then I I hadn't done. any theaters at all in like a year and a. half. Then I did the first Friday night. at the theater. I'm like, "Oh, this is. different because instead of doing like. 200 people, I was doing thousands." I. was like, "This is weird." Like the. timing is different. But I'm like, "Oh, okay. Good. I got I find the timing.". The timing is different in like I often. go from theater to arena. Arena timing.

is way different. I tell you what, I I. got it from Chappelle. was get I was out. in Australia on tour last time and I had. like one night off and Chappelle was in. town that night so I said well I'll go. up with you. Uh so I went up and he had. it in the round. Yeah, that's how I do. it too. It's so genius because it's like. the the thrill of I I I don't want to I. don't want to say never but I I may. never be a professional boxer. There I. said it. But walking into the uh it's. like walking into a ring because you've.

got like security around you and you. have to walk through the audience onto. the stage and up the steps. Yeah, it's. so thrilling. And then you put the. screens above and even in a 10,000. seater, no one's more than, you know, 2,000 seats back kind of thing. So you. go, so everyone's got a great seat and. you're kind of rotating and I just I. love it. It's incredible. It's also. intimate in a weird way because the. people are seeing the other people on. the other side of them, which never. happens. And they're seeing people. laughing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hadn't. thought of that, but they're seeing. people laughing and it's that thing of. going, "Okay, well, we're all It's like.

an event where we're having fun. together." It's it's great. It's the. best way to do it is although the timing. that changes when you go okay it's a. theater and it's like even a thousand. seater I notic in the UK sometimes like. you got to like the palladium is my. favorite place to play right and the. palladium is a theater that was built. 120 years ago. Wow. So the fire. regulations 120 years ago were Yeah. I. hope no one dies. That's there was the. fire eggs. Good luck. There's doors. If. there's a fire I guess leave. Um so it's.

tight. It's like it's 2,200 people, but. it's they're close to you. And then. sometimes you go to a place that was. built two years ago and it's beautiful. and air conditioned, but the people are. so far away because the seats and the. aisles and everything's been built for. for safety. Yeah. So, it's like you. you'd never get it. You couldn't build. one of those now. Yeah. It's kind of it. was it was it was better when it was. they're all on top of you. Yeah. But. then people died in fires, you know. Well, you've always got to look at the. negatives. They should have a way to like open the.

wall in case of a fire. It should be a. hinge. We just push the wall down and. everybody could just run out real quick. Engineer that in there like you know. what they do with a battleship when they. let the tanks out the back of them. Yeah. I mean, yeah. How about that? That's a good idea. Yeah. Like a big old. aircraft carrier. Like drop it. Yeah. Or [ __ ] fire extinguishers. everywhere. Like in the wall everywhere. Sh spray water on people. Yeah. Just. under under every seat all over the.

ceiling. I mean, they they do have that. in some places where it's dangerous. You. know, they they have fire sprinklers. that are built into the wall. I feel. like we're getting close to the we're. getting close to the old bit of the, you. know, the the that black box thing they. have on airplanes where it crashes. Oh, yeah. Like everyone had the observation. of just build the plane out of that, right? What's that made of? Right. How about parachutes for planes? How. about one of those? Is that hard to do? Parachutes for planes? Yeah, this is.

We're having some We're having some big. ideas. How much would it. cost? How much would it cost to have a. big [ __ ] parachute at the top of the. plane? Or if [ __ ] goes totally sideways, pull it, float down to the ground. Is. that possible? Is that an incredibly. dumb idea or is that genius? It's both. It's both because I'm sure somebody else. has thought of. it, you know? Yeah, that seems I mean, don't they have. something like that on Air Force One. where like if if the plane's going down, the president can get to like little.

compartment and it ejects. Is that real. or is that like some movie [ __ ] That. might be some movie [ __ ] See if that's. real. I think there might be. Feels like. some movie [ __ ] but but that that. sounds like a good idea. Like what if. Air Force One goes down? Like this was. uh the online chatter about uh the. president getting a plane from Qatar. He got a gift of a plane. Yeah. Supposedly like that Air Force One does. not have an escape pod in the real. world. Okay. Can we in the movie Air.

Force Can we confirm is this the real. world? Uh I maybe this is we think it is. as far as how we're acting. Yeah, this. is the real world to us. What do you uh. what do you think about simulation. theory? I think it's more likely every. day. The more time goes on, the more I. think it's likely. I really like it. I. Is this a plane with a parachute? A. plane with a parachute or small planes. that think some Did you just manifest. this? How did this parachutes planes? He.

googled it. It's pretty dope. So, is. this guy use this before? I don't that. that doesn't seem like it's happened, but they're they're maybe testing. Seems. like a dangerous test, too, because you. have to wreck a plane if it doesn't. work. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. All right. How. would you test one of those? You'd have. to have a bunch of planes. Oh, look. They did test it. Is that real or is. that AI? That's real. See? Yeah. Oh, it. seems real. So, you just need a real big one. Real. big one for a jumbo jet. It's still. going to be a bump. It's going to be a.

bump when you land. Yeah. It's not I. mean, better that than a ball of flame. What the [ __ ] Are you not going to land. and then have a ball of Well, you might. Yeah. Hey, listen. Let's give it a go. Yeah, give it a go. Maybe you could. jettison all the fuel on the way down. So you could soak people's homes with. jet fuel so that it it just bounces. There's no fuel in it to start a giant. enormous fire. There's a reason. There's. a reason we're not in charge of this. It's coming down with the helic. Look at. that. It worked. All right, it worked. Yeah, but that's it's.

taking that's taken I do not like the. nose down approach. That's taken like. four parking spaces. You just see two. puddles on the windshield from the. pilots. Yeah, it's not great. Okay, simulation theory. I I like think I like. thinking about it because I kind of go. I've got such a crazy life, right? Like. I'm sitt How could it be real? I'm. sitting here with you. Yeah. I was with. Chappelle on Sunday. I was Woody Harson. came to the show last night. I know him. a little bit from London. I was going. this feels like a cartoon. It doesn't.

feel right real somehow. And yet you go, well, it's an interesting way to think. about the world because you go, well, if. is if this is a game, what's the. scorecard? How do you win? And it kind. of makes you think about, well, what's. important in your life? What's the, you. know, measurable and immeasurable. metrics, right? I often think about. there's like there's CV, resume points, and then there's eulogy. points. And often those things kind of. conflict, you know, like the things that.

we, you know, career-wise, you could. have a great career, but if you don't. have kids in a family, who's the who's doing the eulogy? Who's. who's speaking for you? What are the. things that really matter? There's. people that are great people that don't. have kids in a family, but they have a. lot of good friends. Yeah. And the. people going to miss them. Oh my god. Yeah. I don't think it's a total. requirement to be a a you know an. actualized human being to have children. but I think it's definitely benefited me. but I used to hate it when people would.

say like you know until you have kids. you don't know what the world is all. about like okay for you like how do I. know what you've gone through how do I. know your perspective I had kids but. there's a lot of people out there with. children that are fools it's like it's a. nonsense way of living of thinking that. you have to have kids and I think. there's wonderful people that I know. that are never going to have kids. But. that thing of fine, you could still have. eulogy things. Yes. Things that aren't. necessarily It's not scorecard. It's not. like he made $100 million. He wins when.

he's dead. Like it doesn't matter. No. one cares. Like what did you do? Like. how did you how did you treat people? How did you live your life? What kind of. an impact did you have on your fellow. man? Like when you interacted with. people, do they have a memorable. experience with you? like your friends. and the people you worked with like oh. do you know Jimmy used to always say you. know you sit around talking about them I. suppose it's that thing of like legacy. now almost kind of is a secular religion.

for like what you leave behind like you. sort of think of the um the afterlife. you know I don't really believe in a in. an afterlife but it's the the kids see. wouldn't you be stunned if it was real. though like I mean I don't believe in an. afterlife life. But I would be so. fascinated to to be to have undeniable. evidence like to pass through like. imagine if you were one of those people. that had a heart attack and died and had.

one of those really crazy near death. experiences and then I think back I. think there's that near the near-death. experience is available to everyone in. the form of DMT, you know, because. everyone has the same experience of. this. Yes. another realm, another world beyond. where time is. If it is, then maybe. that's it. Yeah. I mean, that might be. it. That might be it. It seems familiar. That's the weirdest part about it. It. seems familiar. Seems more real than. here. Yeah. Yeah. So, it makes you.

wonder like what is this that we're. doing? I have a feeling that what I said. before is correct about the electronic. caterpillar becoming the butterfly. I. think that's our this I think there's a. bunch of different factors that are. leading us to expand technologically. I. think it's the primary thing that we do. as a species. I think we're probably. that's what we're designed for. Just. like bees make beehives and ants make. antills. I think the curiosity of the.

human animal is always going to lead. them to an artificial intelligence. that's far superior than its own. Just. eventually ultimately just takes a long. ass time. Well, I mean I mean you say a. long time, but I mean really when did. this hundreds of thousands of years ago? It started with stone tools. I mean. that's really what it is. It's all. technology, right? Stone tools allowed. us to kill things without using our. teeth and then we eventually figured out. shelter and then we figured out a way to. maximize cooking things. Cooking things. and then the amount, you know, our.

brains, you know, you're able to feed. that, you know, so food's a huge part. like what we're doing now, language and. comedy. I think there's no I don't think. it's like uh it's like there's different. strains of kind of Darwinian evolution, right? So there's there's for survival, right? And then there's reproductive and. I think what we're doing now speaking I. think is uh reproductive. I think what. we're doing is it's almost like peacock. feathers, right? So you go feathers.

initially weren't for flight. They were. for display really from the well that's. the that's the the theory is that well. how did feathers cuz what was the point. of a feather before it was for wings for. flying how would you get to that through. evolution? Well, actually, if it was for. display first, if the peacock is using. the feathers correctly, that was the. original idea for display for mating and. to show that I have this I have so much. extra uh energy, I'll be a good mate, right? To show the female so much color.

and vibrancy and stuff. So, why birds. sing? I've got this excess energy. I'll. be a good mate. Okay. So, that that. thing I The weird thing is it came from. dinosaurs though. Like dinosaurs they. believe are feathered now. Yeah. Yeah. which so like that's how dinosaurs were. breeding. Imagine. Yeah. Well, well, dinosaurs as well the the theory on why. they died out is interesting on the um. they they used to so we randomly. assigned gender and they assigned gender. as uh on the basis of temperature. So.

when the asteroid hit it didn't kill all. the the dust didn't kill all the. dinosaurs. What happened was every. dinosaur was born female in the next. generation because the temperature. cooled. Some lizards still do it. They. assign gender by what the temperature. is. So the temperature falls, you go, "Right, okay, everyone's female." And. when the temperature is above a certain. amount, everyone's male. So there's a. generation of all female or all male, whatever it was. Dinosaurs. What a flaw. Yeah. But you But you would but because. you're the temperature we always assume.

is like is static. Mhm. And we don't see. the geological changes over time in. temperature. So, I feel like the Yucatan. meteor was like the inoculation from the. universe. They'd realize like this. dinosaur thing is a [ __ ] problem. Like, no mammals are ever going to. figure out how to make AI when you've. got a 5,000 lb super lizard running. around with a face the size of a VW bus. with giant teeth on it. We got to. [ __ ] wipe these things out. Is there.

another world where there's dinosaurs. with AI? Because if they're coming, we're [ __ ] No. No. The dinosaurs. never get to AI. You have to be super. vulnerable to get to AI. Like you don't. have a bunch of jack guys working at. open AI. You notice that? Yeah. You have. to be super vulnerable to get to AI. Well, it's a weird thing. You said it. earlier about the idea of like our our. competitive advantage, right? You drop. one guy in the jungle, you've fed the. animals. Drop 10 guys and you have an. apex predator, right? What cooperation.

is our superpower. And for me, cooperation is downstream of play. Play. is everything. We're the playing animal. Someone wrote a book about this like in. the 1930s about how we we are designed. to play. Our culture is about play and. kids play. And you go, well, that. cooperation is what leads to all of. this. And weirdly, the Catholic Church, I didn't say this earlier, but the. Catholic Church has got a lot to be, we. got a lot to be grateful for because in.

the 12th century, the Catholic Church. banned cousin marriage really. And the. reason they did it was because they. realized the tribe was more important. than the church and they hated that, right? So, the unintended consequence. was they said, "You can't marry your. cousin or your second cousin or your. third cousin down to the sixth cousin.". Really? and they broke the tribes. Now. when you break tribes, what happens? Well, you form small family groups and.

then you have to trust people. So trust. builds and then from trust you get. guilds and associations and a legal. system and everyone cuz before that it's. like well your cousin you trust him. It's family. The royal family right back. in the day doomed the royal family. You. know there, you know, we still got them. Yeah. But I mean, the old ones with the. [ __ ] up faces with no chin. Yeah. Yeah. They look weird. Yeah. No chin. Just intermarriage. Intermarriage. Interri. So that's what was taken away.

So the unintended consequence of that. was more cooperation and people had to. get on with other people. And there was. like That's interesting. Smart way of. engineering a society that didn't keep. people from just being so tribal and. insulated. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually. intelligent. And that's the Catholic. Church figured that out. The Catholic. Church did that right after they got the. priest to stop having sex. They go, "Next move." The next move. Right after. we stop [ __ ] I have to really pee cuz. I overhydrated. Let's uh pee and then.

we'll come back. Okay. Okay. So, you. just given me a lesson on Catholicism. and the benefits of. play. Do you know that that's um um one. of the things they talk about in. jiu-jitsu? Like uh keep it playful. It's. one of the things that they say like the. Gracies in particular. They they always. talk about keeping it playful and like. keeping it playful is the way you learn. the best. Roger lives in in London. Yes. Yeah. He's incredible. One of the. greatest of all time. I mean it's an. incredible thing the jiu-jitsu because. the the idea that those guys just.

changed the game totally. Yeah. They. changed martial arts like in in more. martial arts has changed more since the. invention of the UFC. And the invention. of the UFC was by Hy and Gracie. Hory. and Gracie invented the UFC and that was. in 1993. And in since that time, martial. arts have evolved more in these 30 years. than they have in the past 30,000 years. That's well, the thing that I the thing. I love about it, I kind of want there to. be an origination movie about the UFC.

They'll [ __ ] it up. Yeah, they'll [ __ ]. it up. It's better to just have a. documentary. Yeah, that Well, that. that'll be it. Yeah, but you don't want. to have a movie. Even a documentary. really it should be like a Netflix. series because it's going to require I. think I should star in it. I could get. jacked. You could get jacked. I mean you. get you the right people, you know, get. you Tom Hardy's trainer. Do you watch. Mob Land? I'm learning a lot about your. English gangs. Oh my uh my friend uh. Chris Dick who's like produced my movie.

produced that as well. [ __ ] that's a. good show. Yeah. I'm friends with Guy. Richie. He's the best. Has he been on. this? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. He's amazing. He's a legitimate black belt by the way. Yeah, legitimate jiu-jitsu black belt. under Henzo Gracie, which is uh there's. like um certain levels of black belt. There's a lot of like great black belts. that have a um their instructor you you. just haven't heard of because there's so. many great black belts out there now, but there's like legendary instructors.

where you hear like a guy got a black. belt from Hicks and Grace and you're. like, "Oh [ __ ] that's a real black. belt." Like you got a black belt from. Henzo Grace, you're like, "Whoa." But. the interesting thing for me is like the. pre the invention. of that the [ __ ] in the 80s. Oh. yeah. Cuz we're about the same age. So. like it would have been that thing of. like um like Bruce Lee movies or uh the. the Drunken Master. You ever see the. Drunken Master? Sure. All those kind of. movies. And then you'd I'd be like into. martial arts and like watching those.

films. Incredible movies. And then. there'd be such [ __ ] about, oh, there's this technique from this place. and he can do and none of it was tested. None of it was testable. It was like, no, no, no. It's like that great scene. in um uh Once Upon a Time in uh what's. that? What's the Tarantino movie? Once. Upon a Time in Hollywood with Bruce Lee. and Bruce Lee and it's the funniest Brad. Pitt. Yeah. Scene. It's just so good. But the [ __ ] that was talked about. the one-inch punch and all of that.

stuff. Yeah. And then it was like, "Oh, no. We're really going to test this.". It's it like it met the real world. Well, I came up in that era of [ __ ]. There was like [ __ ] guys that like. said they couldn't spar because they. were too dangerous. They could kill you. And you know, we would invite them. That's the great line in the Tarantino. movie, isn't it? Where where he goes. these uh these these these fists uh if I. kill a guy, it's murder. Yeah. It's the. same with everyone. Well, the Bruce Lee.

thing is the one of the things that I. really didn't agree with. I love. Tarantino. I'm a giant fan. As a human. being, I love him. And as a director, I. think he's the greatest of all time. He. is the most consistently exciting, groundbreaking, psychotic films. I. [ __ ] love his movies. He changed the. way I consume media. The problem is I. know a lot about Bruce Lee. Oh, Bruce. Lee was and he wasn't like that. He. wasn't that arrogant guy. And I just. think he's misrepresented. Yeah, there. needs to be a great documentary on Bruce.

Lee that I mean there's plenty of stuff. but there needs to be a definitive like. a you know Netflix put together. beautiful thing cuz he was an icon like. he was so incredible Bruce Lee. Yes. But. you know Tarantino for me is godlike. like that movie cinema speculation. So I. I you know most people kind of do this. thing of they watch new movies so for. new because the dopamine of the new. story and they listen to old music and I. read that book cinema speculation I went.

I'm going to just watch 70s movies and I. just started watching the old movies for. this because you forget I mean even if. you have seen it you've kind of if you. saw it 30 years ago you remember one. moment you watch that and then listen to. new music so you kind of flip the thing. it's really good I'm really loving I'm. loving watching the old movies, but Oh, some of the old movies are [ __ ]. amazing. That the Quinton Tarantino book. is just he's incredible. Incredible. person that they they come along rarely. where someone just has this very unique.

and [ __ ]. aggressive sight of like their art. It's. a vision. Yeah, vision. I mean, I put. him up with Kubric. I think he's he's. that genius. Actually, I wanted to ask. you about that. The Kubric thing. I got. told this fact. What? But okay, so I was. I got told this thing and then I asked. Tom Cruz about it. This is a this is a. good story. You ask Tom Cruz about. something? Okay, so I met Tom Cruz at a. friend's wedding and I said, "Oh my god, I had nothing to say to Tom Cruz." So I. said, "So much to say." I said, "You. made eyes wide shot with Kubric." And he.

went, "Yeah, yeah, I did." I said, "I. heard he shoots everything. He shot. everything with NASA lenses.". So the reason he was able to shoot Barry. Lindon, you know the movie Barry Lyndon. with Harvey Kitarel, amazing movie. I. never saw it. It's lit by candle. There's no lights in that movie. He shot. it by candle. And the reason he was able. to make it was because he had the best. lenses ever made by humans which were. the NASA lenses that they took to the. moon landings. So that was Hasselbad.

So Hasselbad. Yeah. That's the company. that made those uh cameras. That's the. camera though, not the lens. Okay. Who. made the lens? It says Zeiss super. speed. Okay, does that make sense? Okay, so he he had these lenses. So Kubri shot. everything with these lenses. Now, here's the question for you. Yeah. How. did Stanley Kubri get those lenses? Maybe at the NASA garage sale they had. in 1971 where they sold all the stuff on. the front lawn. Okay, so the story I got told which I. want to ask you about, okay, is.

they obviously is the middle of the cold. war, right? And the moon landing was a. flex by the Americans. It was a big. deal, right? So they rehearsed the [ __ ]. out of that. Who did they rehearse it. with? Well, the best director in the. world. So they brought in a young. Stanley Kubri and he filmed the. rehearsals. So they they had to rehearse. everything before they went up there. So. I'm not saying the moon landings didn't. happen. I think they definitely did. happen. So who's saying that Stanley. Kubrick filmed the rehearsals?

I can't remember who told me this. That. sounds like horseshit. But how did he. have the time? Sorry. How did he get the. lenses from NASA? How did he get the. lenses? He definitely had the NASA. lenses. He bought them from NASA. Well, you know, he got paid in a genius. mathematician, you know. I didn't know. that. Yeah. He he used to do complex. equations in his spare time. Yeah. He. was a genius. Like a legitimate genius. So, he probably had a deep connection to. the scientific community and he probably. maintained that all throughout doing.

2001. So, you know, Cubrick was so the. way he would do films was there were so. many layers to his films. Like there's. so many layers to The Shining. You know, he said this brilliant thing about. movies. He said, "Don't, you know, if. you want to if you want to tell a story, make people feel something they don't. have a name for.". So, there's so many bits in The Shining. that don't make sense. like the the the. geometry of the room doesn't make sense.

or but it and it kind of forces you to. really see something like so much of our. life right is we're not really seeing. things I think it's the gift of being a. stand-up comedian we get to see things. mostly guys of our age are just. remembering things right they don't have. a lot of other experiences it's or. they're having a very repetitive you. know if you commute every day to the. same office you don't remember 365 days. you it's kind of memory and then you're. just on repeat. Whereas if you have.

unique experiences, it's not that we. don't have enough time, we just waste a. lot of it and we don't we want unique. novel experience. And so part of the. reason I travel the world is to have. unique novel experience and to see. things in a different way. And sometimes. when you you know you watch like a. Kubric or a Tarantino movie, you he's. just seeing something in such a pure. way. Yeah. It's incredible. Yeah. Uh, it's a unique artistic vision that makes. you sort of it just takes you out of. mundane existence and go, "Wow, like.

this guy." Like 2001 is such a weird. movie, man. I saw it again last year. I. had I hadn't seen it in a long time and. I watched it again. I was like, "God, imagine making this film and like what. was it like 60? What year was it? No. Was it 709? 70? No, 70. 70 68 68. What? Yeah. Uh, so it's before the moon. landing and it's all going on at the. same time which. 68. It's incredible. Yeah,

cuz it's kind of futuristic now. Yeah. There's that weird thing of like you. ever read uh It's weird than the monkeys. when they find the monolith. Yeah. You. know, it's like I have very bizarre. theories about the evolution of the. human animal itself. What do you think? I don't I don't necessarily think it. happened without help. I have a feeling. that we were. assisted. I think that's one of the. reasons why we vary so much. We we're. just like dogs, you know? Dogs are so we.

v Dogs vary so much, but dogs all came. from wolves. Yeah. Every dog came from a. wolf. It does strike me as like it's a. very strange thing how long humanity has. been here. Mhm. And how. recently prog like 10,000 years ago in. northern Japan was the first. settlement and how quickly things have. progressed. That's true. I don't think I. don't think we're right about that. And. I think there's no there's an. interesting there's a bunch of. interesting guys, but there's one that I. Who's that guy that I brought up the.

other day who's a British. anthropologist? Well, I already like who. has this No, you did. That's why I. brought that up. He's uh got a YouTube. channel and he's like human beings have. been in this His argument essentially is. that human beings have been in this. particular form this homo sapien form. for somewhere in their neighborhood of. 300,000 years. Why would we assume that. it took us so long to get to where we. are as far as society and technology and. innovation? Isn't it far more likely.

that this was achieved multiple times. followed by great catastrophes that. brought us back to square one? And. there's a lot of evidence for that. There's a lot of evidence for that in. terms of like 11,800 years ago, the. younger dest impact theory. But then. which is like physical evidence of like. meteor comet impacts on Earth, gigantic. landscape changes, ending of the uh ice. age, melting of the polar ice caps, massive flooding, rising sea levels, all.

that stuff's documented. But then he's. talking about like what about a 100,000. years before that? If we're in the same. form, if society did reach a very high. level of sophistication, maybe in a. different way a 100,000 years ago, how. much evidence would be left? The answer. is zero. But the human remains the same. If you took a 100,000-y old person, you. could bring them to the [ __ ] shave. their face, sit them in a movie theater, they would have no, you would look have. no idea that that was a person from a. 100,000 years ago. They look real.

[ __ ] similar to us. Well, I suppose. that thing especially fed them well, which they probably didn't get much food. back then. Yeah, that thing of like the. the gratitude like the idea that you go, how have we only got to this now? Like. the idea that you go, well, actually the. taking care of the that Maslov's. hierarchy of need, you know, the you. know, so you need food, you need. shelter, you need like we haven't even I. mean we haven't even covered that for. most of humanity, but certainly in the. place that we live that's all sort of.

take we factor all that in. That's all. like, okay, you've got all of that. sorted and then we get to self-actualize. and we get to specialize. And so maybe. it is that thing of like I don't know. this the the breaking of the tribes and. the idea of specialization. It's that. it's the Dunar number is the important. thing, isn't it? Like because the great. apes, so Robert Dunar is the guy that. had that idea of it often comes up when. people talk about social media. How many. friends can you have, right? Like with. great apes, they get to a pod of about.

60 and then they go, I don't really know. that guy. He hasn't really groomed me in. a long time. So I did this documentary. once for the BBC with Robert Dumbar and. it was Oh, you met actual Robert Dumbar. He was incredible. Incred. How old was. he at the time? Uh I guess 60s. He's not. that that old a guy. So his theory uh. was kind of well actually what happened. that allowed human beings to um. specialize was remote grooming. So the.

idea that we could be in a large group. and our language allowed us to have a. larger group like 150 friends in the. group because we didn't have to pick. things out of each other's hair or. literally groom each other. Talk to each. other. Hey Bob, how's Look at the lawn. looking good. Yeah. But that was the. great that was the great innovation. because it allowed us to go okay look. I'm going to go and build this thing you. go and do that thing we'll come together. and l obviously um you know language. predates speech by.

a million years millions of years. laughter predates speech by about uh a. million years they think interesting. because laugh chimps laugh you know I've. got I've got a weird laugh right I laugh. on an inn Huh? I've like you have to. Yeah. If I If something really strikes. me as funny, it's like it's such a. People often ask like, "Is it real?". It's the most like crazy laugh. Huh. Odd. I laugh on an inb breath, not an. out breath. Like Tucker Carlson, he's.

got that kind of laugh. Well, okay. Well, I don't know. I don't know. where I stand on that. Now I'm in. trouble. Um, don't get me cancelled. Well, no, that's an out. That's an out. It's just a high pitch pitch out. iPage. out. But that thing of like laughter. being a remote tickle is kind of Yeah. It's an interesting idea. I I mean. obviously this is interesting. It's. contagious. Genuinely. Yeah. Like if. you're laughing I'm like I'll start. laughing like what the [ __ ] are you. laughing at, Jimmy? I'll start laughing.

If you're laughing hysterically seen. those German guys that do the laughter. therapy. No, they do a laughter therapy. in Germany and they just It's literally. a guy going, "We're all going to laugh. now. Ha ha ha haha." And they just force. themselves to laugh. There's no nothing. funny going on. They just force. themselves to laugh. It is sounds like. hell. But it's very good for people. because once they get they figure out. standup in Germany. Have they ever. figured it out? Uh who's the best in. Germany? I don't. I Yeah, but you're an English guy going. to Germany. That's different. I could.

play in Germany, too. But my point is. who's the best guy to come out of. Germany? There is a guy who's like. playing he played like a stadium there. Oh god, I forget his name. But he came. to the Edinburgh Festival. We we had a. guy that was the number one comic in. Germany who came to the comedy store. back in like the early 2000s. Super nice. guy, barely spoke English and did like. real physical comedy. Like his whole. thing was physical and he just couldn't. figure out how to make it work in. America, right? It was was interesting. talking to him. So I was like, why are. you in in Germany rather? And he's like,

oh, in Germany I'm the number one. comedian and you know I do really well. and I'm like really? So like what do you. do? and he's like, I do this kind of. like they enjoyed like that kind of like. slapsticky fall down sort of stuff. He. did a lot of physical stuff. It was. funny, but it was like the audience at. the comedy store had been used to all. these like bang bang bang like set up. punch line, set a punch line, Joey Diaz, and now here's some guy from Germany. Yeah. You know, and he was just it. didn't work for him. And well, there's a. great old line of like where would we be. without a sense of humor? Germany. Yeah.

But they make great. cars and they're funny. Well, that thing. of like there's There's scenes coming up. everywhere around the world now. I mean, I I got a I think 47 countries on this. tour and you go and everywhere I go, there's always a couple of local comics. that come to the gig and they're doing. standup in English and there's a little. scene and it's it's it's it's very. contagious. I think I think it's kind of. the YouTube and the Netflix effect of. like it's just out there now and you.

we're more aware globally of who's doing. what unquestionably. And then there's. Kill Tony, which is worldwide. It's the. number two podcast on YouTube worldwide. What's number one? Yeah, me for some unexplicable reason. I don't. understand it myself. But the thing. about comedy is that, you know, like. maybe you don't want the people making. your cars to be funny. You want them to. be these like lockown engineers like the. Germans. Like I kind of like that. these. stoic engineers. Those I am not driving.

an Italian car across the country. It's. not going to make it. It's not going to. make it. I'm going to get somewhere. outside of Oklahoma and some [ __ ]. weird lights are going to go off in the. dash. Like, what is happening here? Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. And the. brakes are going to fail. Something's. going to go. Something's going to go. Some electronic shit's going to go. sideways cuz uh Pascal wasn't paying. attention. He was eating his pasta and. taking a nap. They take naps. What are. you uh what are you driving now? I drive.

all kinds of things. Yeah, I drove a. Tesla here, but I I I have a lot of. cars. I like cars. Yeah, I'm fascinated. by engineering. You got to get You got. to get devices. Jeremy Clarkson is a. friend of mine. You got to get him on. I. love Jeremy. I'd love to have him on. I'm a huge fan. Yeah, he's uh he's got. to come on here because he's like I. don't know. I think you'd have a lot in. common. He's like super I love Hammond. I love James May. I love those guys. They are the originals. Yeah. And I'm a. huge fan of Chris Harris, too. and and. he took over the new Top Gear. Yeah. Well, they're just passionate about it.

I think there there is something of like. I'd love someone to do I'm sure I'm sure. it exists somewhere and I just haven't. been to it. But like a museum of the. motorc car. Oh, it is in Los Angeles. It. feel Oh, yeah. Yeah. I know. I saw I saw. where they were building that and it. wasn't finished yet last time I was. there. Oh, no. No. LA's had a auto. museum forever. Isn't there a new one in. perhaps? Maybe there's a new one. Maybe. they're making the new one. Maybe it's. the same company. But the LA Auto Museum. has been around forever cuz it feels to. me like vintage cars are the way to go. There's so many regulations now. There's. so much you have to do country. Yeah,

you're a goofy country. They lock you. down. Well, I think that's all going to. change though, isn't it? I think it's. like we could never get American cars in. the UK. Yeah. You could never buy a. Cadillac in the UK. You could never. And. maybe that's going to change now. I hope. so. I I'd love to be able to I know some. American muscle cars are really popular. over there because those those are just. they're fun. They're just fun to drive. There's something about American muscle. cars. Like even the modern ones like if. you buy a modern Ford Mustang, they are.

fun to drive, man. the the rumble of the. engine, shifting the gears, the manual. transmission. Like I think like the. Mustang GT is like the greatest bargain. as far as like fun for dollar in the. automobile world today cuz I think you. get a Mustang GT for like under $50,000. US like loaded and they're incredible. It is an interesting thing of like cars. There's a certain point now where what's. the last car you could. drive as opposed to it driving you right.

that's you know so there's an argument. to say I had like a a Porsche uh from uh. a target from ' 89 so it had the the. the G50 uh but it was air cooled but it. was like it was like the the it's kind. of the last one I think before the. technology kind of took over and they. were just the Well, not necessarily. No, the 964s are still very analog and so. are the. 993s in especially in comparison to the.

996s and the 997s that came after it. But the the point of those cars is. engagement versus uh proficiency. So, the car that I drove today is a Tesla. Model S Plaid. It is a preposterously. fast car. It has incredible technology. It drives itself. If I choose to and I. leave here tonight, I can press a button. and it'll drive me to my house. It'll. stop at every red light. It'll hit. blinkers. It'll change lanes if there's.

an obstruction. Hands off. Nothing. Hands off. I don't have to do anything. You're supposed to keep your hands like. on the wheel sort of. You don't have to. be You barely have to be paying. attention, but it'll do all the work for. you. But a 1989 Porsche like yours, that. one, that is a visceral experience. It's you're feeling it. It's like woo. It's fun. You're on a ride. You're not. even going fast, but you're feeling. everything. It's a sensory overload.

It's It's very exciting. It's exciting. not going quick. There's nothing like. those old cars, especially old Porsches, because they handle really well. Even. though they're an old car, they still. have like the really good dynamics in. terms of like road. I wonder what it is. that we're enjoying there because I. think it's like it's type one and type. two thinking. So it's like like driving. a car once you you know when you're. getting your license to drive stick. shift. It's you really have to. concentrate. Sure. And then it goes over.

into this other place where you just go. it's just happening. I don't have to. think about this. Right. You're just. commuting. But you're like engaged. You're kind kind of in a flow state when. you're driving one of those cars and and. just driving it. You haven't got the. radio on and I used to love driving home. from shows and you'd think of something. and you'd be driving and you wouldn't. be, you know, it was days before. iPhones. So, you just have to remember. that thought and let it linger and kind. of thinking of jokes and word play and. and but you'd be kind of engaged in this.

other activity like a zen state because. you're you're connected to the vehicle. but you're not listening to music. You're not listening to a podcast. You're just out there driving this thing. that you have to really be in tune with. and then your mind, your subconscious is. free to roam. It's interesting those. things of like activities that. engender different kind of states. Like, okay, you play a lot of pool. Mhm. Now, I don't play much pool, but I do play. pool with my friends if they're having a. tough time. Like, if you have to have a.

tough conversation with a friend, if. they're down, they're depressed, whatever. this looking each other in the. eyes doesn't work so well. Oh, right. You got to do an activity because. there's a lot of thinking time that you, you know, if it's an emotional. conversation, if there's something big. going on, a game of pool's kind of. fantastic for that because it it just. slows everything down. You've got a. reason to be there for longer. It's kind. of it's it's playful and there's kind of. a low-level competition going on, but. the stakes aren't high. And you kind of.

have a great it's like when you're in. the car with a buddy, you have a great. conversation side by side. I'm so glad you brought that up because. I had a friend who was considering. suicide and I did not know until we. started playing pool together. Um I had. played pool with him a bunch of times. but we were playing pool together one. day and he just seemed weird. He just. seemed off. But it was through the. playing that we could talk like um you. know we start talking. What's going on? He's like I am not doing good at all.

I'm not doing good at all. I'm like. what's going on? And then, you know, we. had this conversation and. um he did not he didn't have a lot of. money, so he didn't have access to good. psychiatric care. So, I I contacted my. business manager and I said, "Who's the. best guy that we couldn't like connect. my friend to?" And he got on some stuff. Uh I forget which SSRI was, but it. ultimately really helped him. And then. he turned everything around and then his. life turned around and he slowly weaned. himself off and then he's fine. But it. was like this moment of playing pool.

So, this is why like when people. completely dismiss psychiatric. medication too, I'm like, e um I can see. how they're overprescribed. I can see. how some people become dependent when. really they should try exercise and and. healthy diet. However, when you're. dealing with someone who's on the ledge, like anything you can get that keeps. that person from ending their life and. making a terrible decision, and if they. have a bad serotonin balance, some. dopamine balance in their head, and. there's something that we we can give. them that can help balance them out, and.

then they slowly get move towards a. health. It's like someone saying, "Yeah, no, no, we should all learn to swim.". No, sometimes you need a life raft. Yeah. Sometimes sometimes you need a. life raft for a couple little babies. They have just floaties just for a. couple of weeks. But that thing of like. and we should chat about that because. it's like it suicide for me is like it's. a permanent solution to a temporary. problem. Mhm. Invariably it's that thing. of like people think they want to. disappear but really they want to be. found. And it's I find it heartbreaking.

because I think more so than other fun. stuff you go and see with comedy. I know. it's a lot of people that are depressed. or have suicidal ideation are. self-medicating with standup comedy. So. they watch a lot of comedy or they come. to a lot of comedy shows because it's. kind of the opposite of what they're. feeling. And it's that thing of the you. you kind of I always do a bit about it. at the end of the show. I mean, I tell a. lot of brutal jokes and then I talk. about it because you go, there's going. to be someone in the crowd. I had this. like heartbreaking thing where I've had.

it a couple of times now where people. come up and go, "Oh, I was going to I. had this amazing woman talk to me about. uh she had like it was like she was. celebrating like 14 years of extra. life, but she was like 17 or something. at home and she was thinking about. ending it, but she was waiting until. everyone had gone to sleep before she. hung herself." Oh god. And she turned on. her computer on YouTube and she saw. clips of some panel show [ __ ] that I. was doing and she laughed. Oh wow. And.

then she watched another clip and then. she watched another and then she got. super into comedy and whatever. She. didn't do it that night and then she. watched more of it the next day and it I. somehow that got her over or she. attributed that to getting her over a. hump. Well, sometimes you just have to. have access to other thoughts and and. when someone's a good comic like. yourself, what happens is you allow that. person to kind of think for you when. you're enjoying their performance. And. sometimes it's just that that's enough.

Sometimes it's great philosophy or a. great book or someone gives a great like. inspirational speech where it just makes. you like really think like wow like what. is it about the way this person is. talking right now that is changing my. state? It's changing my state of mind. because I'm thinking the way they're. thinking. They're I'm allowing them. because they're so eloquent taking the. controls and because what they're saying. is so precise and they have so much. passion in what they're saying. There's. so much enthusiasm that it's contagious.

and now all a sudden I feel better. It's. that um it's it's perspective, you know. Have you ever had Peter McGraw on here? No. Peter Mcgro is that guy that he came. up with the benign violation theory of. comedy. What is that? So benign. violation theory is the idea. Have I had. Peter McGrath? This is a real problem. when you've had 500 podcasts. I don't. want to say I've never had a and a. couple of blows to the head. A bunch. Just enough. The sweet spot. Peter. McGro, the benign violation. Did I have.

one? Yeah. When was this? Is he a professor of. marketing and psychology? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When was this? He's a. brilliant man. Uh, episode 578. So, wow. Pull him up on the screen so I can see. what he looks like. Okay. So, um, boy, that shows you how toasty my brain is. That's the 561 messages that I haven't. answered. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're all. from him. Oh, wow. Oh, there he is. Yeah. I would have told you that's a. fake picture. Yeah. Okay. I've told you. that to say every time this has. happened. I think well it'll happen 100.

times more dude we've had too many. episodes but so his theory which I'm. sure he has spoken about on this very. show is the idea that you go okay so. so violations sorry Peter violations are. like okay how things are meant to be. right if if it deviates from that it's a. it's a violation in life so uh death. disease famine all of the worst stuff in. the world is like it's a it's a. violation and he's saying okay if you. imagine a um ven diagram that's one. circle and then overlap tapping that is. uh is is kind of humor and you go if you.

if you joke about something you're kind. of you're. re you're recoding it in your mind to. say no no no this is this is okay we're. we're putting a bit of distance between. this. So just by joking about something, you make these violations in life, these. terrible things, whether it's, you know, death, disease, suicide, whatever the. terrible thing is, you're making it okay. through laughter. You're kind of you're. you're you're filtering life's um. hardships.

through the charcoal of comedy and kind. of making it palatable. So it's like, you know, I often say this, I feel sorry. for the people that are easily offended. Yeah. Well, or or like offended because. laughing at difficult things is it pays. out on the worst days. So like when. you're having your very worst day, you. go, "Yeah, but at least we can laugh.". Like those things of like if you've had. friends die or you know they're in. paliotative care and you can sort of get. a laugh out of them and it's just eases.

everything. If you find people that are. like that, that's a learned response. And if you grow up in a family that's. easily offended and offended by. everything, like a humorless family, that's a real problem. That's a real. [ __ ] problem. If they don't know how. to joke around about stuff, that that. becomes a real issue. They they take. themselves too seriously or they take. the world too seriously and like you're. you're always looking to be outraged. And then there's also a lot of social. credit to being outraged. Like people. have like he's outraged. You have to. like let him alone. Like now you've kind.

of commanded the stage. I am so sick of. this [ __ ] like, "Oh, he's sick of this. [ __ ] We let him have his space. Give. him his time." You know, it's like. you're demanding undue attention for. something that a rational person who has. like more important things to think. about would laugh off, you know? I think. being able to laugh it off is it's quite. a superpower. Well, it's quite stoic, isn't it? Because you you can't really. choose what happens to you, just how you. react to it. We don't have any control, but we have a lot of influence, right? And the idea that disposition is more.

important than position is one of my. kind of core beliefs. Like I know some. pretty [ __ ] miserable billionaires. And I I know some people that are just, you know, so what's happiness? It's like. it's your current situation minus. expectations. Steven Fry had a great. piece on on being offended. Do you ever. see Steven Fry on on being offended? No. Go on. What? I don't want to paraphrase. it because it was brilliant, but it was. essentially like so what? Like, so it's. like, but that's not even an argument. Like, you're offended. Like, what does.

that even mean? So, you're offended. Like, but why? Like, what about it? And. what why are you so easily triggered? Like, what what fragile creature you are. going through this life being offended. at everything. It is now very common to. hear people say, "I'm rather offended by. that." As if it gives them certain. rights. It's actually nothing more than. a whine. I find that offensive. It has. no meaning. It has no purpose. It has no. reason to be respected as a phrase. I am. offended by that. Well, so [ __ ] what?

Yeah, he's wonderful. Wonderful. There's. some great great great lines like that. But that's another one. It's like you. you can't command attention just because. you're offended. I always think that as. a as a person who's developed your mind. and gotten through a lot of experiences. in life, if you are 50 [ __ ] years old. and the most mildest thing happens and. your response is, "I'm offended." You. didn't figure it out. You You got to.

this point in your life where you have a. very fragile foundation and you're. you're looking to be offended, which. means you're probably not good at what. you do. whatever the [ __ ] it is that you. were supposed to be good at, you. probably [ __ ] that up. And now you're. just looking for like weird reasons to. be to emote, weird reasons to to get. upset about things instead of to. rationally try to see things from. people's perspectives. I I get annoyed. with it because it's, you know, if. people get a, you know, people buy a. ticket to see me live, it's like buying. a ticket to a horror movie and then.

complaining I'm scared. Especially you. Yeah. I mean, it's it's. absolutely, you know, brutal. But then. it's all in service of fun. It's and. this is a this is a society that rewards. outrage and that coddles people for the. most preposterous beliefs. This is a. weird society. It's a weird society of. social media and the amount of attention. you can generate. And so that that. spills out into the real world. And this.

this Chris Rock talked about it. brilliantly after the incident at the. Oscars. He said this thing about like. there's three ways to get attention. You. could be you could be uh brilliant at. something and it takes a lot of work or. whatever. You could be infamous or you. could be a victim. and it's it's the easiest option, right? To go, oh this he said something in it. option. Yeah. I mean I'm sure you've. seen these people that have like they. list off we were talking about this one. person that was like the final boss of.

woke culture. They listed off all the. things that are wrong with them. I'm I'm. disabled. I'm trans. I'm non-binary. I'm. ethnically challenged. Like, whatever. the [ __ ] it is, they just like rattled. off like 30 of them. Like, oh my god, this person has everything wrong with. them. Meanwhile, they're fine. You're. fine. You're just person over here. talking. Like, you don't get special. attention because of all these things. you just listed. This is stupid. But in. this weird world that we live in, you'll. get celebrated. You know, it's the.

identity politics world. Yeah, you you have I suppose that thing. of like if you had to define. entitlement, right, is a word that gets. used a lot, right? Entitlement. But. okay, so for me it's like where you are. now and where you want to be. If you. want to do something about it, that's. ambition. If you think that's someone. else's problem, that's entitlement. M. and it comes back to that agency empathy. thing like I'm very empathetic to oh wow.

that's a wow that's a your cards are not. great the cards that you've been dealt. are not great but they're your cards and. I want to I want you to be empowered to. do as much as you [ __ ] can with those. cards. Yeah, that's good. A weird. political ploy, too, to look to the. wealthy people and say, "They're the. problem. They're your problem." That's. the thing that people will do to the. proletariat, right? They will tell them, "The reason why you're in this situation. today is because of these greedy people. aren't paying their share. These.

wealthy, if they paid their share, like, is it where's it going to go, though? Is. it going to go to this corrupt. government that's the one who's feeding. you this nonsense in the first place? What are you going to do? You're going. to enrich them? They're just going to. get bigger and stronger and have even. more power and then you're even more. [ __ ] You're even more [ __ ] because. you don't have any resources. Like it's. not going to help you if if they tax. rich people. And then are the poor. people going to get that money? No. Are. are their services going to improve? No. No. You're just going to get more. government. It seems like a good idea.

Like maybe the solution is we got to tax. the rich people. But that's no, you got. to figure out what to do with the money. you already get from everybody and. you're not doing a good job with it. Like that's the problem. The problem. isn't like the rich people aren't paying. their like I always hear that about. Elon. Like he's he doesn't even pay tax. Elon paid more taxes in 2024 than any. living human being that has ever. existed. He paid something like $10.

billion in taxes. Yeah. I felt like I. did in. 2012. Felt like I did. What happened? You know, I got No, no. I got um I got I. had a big tax scandal. I'd like I had a. big I tell you when you know you've got. tax problems, right? What happened? If. the prime minister of the country that. you live in breaks off from the G20. summit to come out and do a press. conference where he talks about nothing. other than your personal tax affairs, that's a red flag. What happened, Jimmy? I don't know. I was in like some some.

accountant said to me, "Do you want to. Oh, there's like a tax scheme. You want. to be in a tax scheme?" And I went, "Yeah, okay." Like stupid. Like, did you. know it was legit? Oh, no. It was legit. It was all legal. It was tax avoidance, not tax evasion. There's a difference. And the difference is about 18 months in. prison. So, thankfully, I came down on. the right [ __ ] side of that. How much. did you wind up owing? Oh, it was it was. it was a it was enough. It was enough to. go, "Oh, put the tour in. Great. We're. going on the road. Wow. We are. Yeah.

We're in trouble. So, you tried to avoid. paying a percentage that was due. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty dumb. They They put people. in jail in America. They make a They. make a big thing out of it. They put. Wesley Snipes. Um the woman from the. Fujis, Lauren Hill, Lauren Hill, they. put her in jail. They put people in. jail. Even if you could pay them, they're like, "Nope, not good enough. You're going to jail." Like but just the. only time when you owe money and you pay.

the money back, you still go to jail. They want to make a example out of you. Pay your [ __ ] taxes. In um Boston. where I I came up in Boston and in. Boston in the 1980s in particular, it. was a very wild westy sort of a comedy. scene and they would pay you in cash or. cocaine. It was up to you. Cash or. cocaine? Yes. There was at least one. club that would pay you in cash or. cocaine. Yeah. And I was always like, I'll take the cash. I I never did coke,

luckily. But a lot of guys took the. cocaine. And a lot of guys also took the. cash, but never pay taxes like for a. long time. Well, I'd love it if they. took the cocaine and paid the tax on. that. Just went to the IRS and went, "Look, I I brought you this baggie of. coke. I got a kilo in my trunk. It's. about 30% of the coke I took. This is for you, the IRS. They all got. banged up by the IRS and they all wound. up owing a [ __ ] tremendous amount of. money that they couldn't pay. So, they.

all like all their salaries every time. they did a weekend at a club. Everything. like half of it would go to the. government. They'd take it straight out. of your your bank account. You wouldn't. even they would they just take money. from you. You don't have they're not. allowing you to pay them anymore. They. just take it. I've game the system. I do. two shows a night now. Ah. So, one for. me, one for them. Oh, that's a good. move. That way. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't even see that money. I can't be. trusted. I can't trust myself. It is. funny though that they get half. Like, what are you getting out of it at a.

certain level? Like, you get to the Elon. Musk level. Well, I guess you could say. there's entitlements like there's things. that helped electric cars get more. popular, you know, and get funding and. that makes sense. But at a certain, you. know, if you're a performer, say, like. you're a singer, and you know, half of. all your money goes to the government, you're like, "Hey, what did you guys. do?" Like, if if you're okay, if you're. Taylor Swift, right? Yeah. Taylor Swift, what does she make? A billion dollars a. year or something crazy like that. I.

mean, she's doing [ __ ] stadiums. They. sell out instantaneously. She's printing. money. But the government takes a. sizable piece. They don't write a. [ __ ] song. Like it's not important. Write a song. Well, imagine if the IRS. went, "Look, look, Taylor, you've paid a. lot of tax last year." So, we're going. to write some songs. We've written you. We've got an idea. We think it's pretty. good. We've clubbed together. Yeah. We've got a bass guitar. We've got a. riff. Here you go. You're singing too. much about boyfriends. I want you to. sing about the IRS. We want you to sing. about us. Yeah. Um I don't know. There's.

places you go around the world though. where the tax rate is higher, but this. but you kind of you look and no one's. annoyed because they just it just. delivers. I do a lot of geeks in like. Norway, Finland, Denmark where you kind. of go, "Yeah, great. This all works.". But much different society. Much. different society. And it's also smaller. population. I think the real problem is. when you scale that to like hundreds of. millions of people, things get really. weird. Yeah. It's very difficult to like. run socialized medicine, socialized.

education, like everything like that. When you get to just enormous quantities. of human beings. Well, maybe that's the. thing with America though where you go. it is a um it's it's a country and then. it's lots of states and maybe the state. level makes more sense like the nation. state level makes more sense than kind. of a a global level. I think it does. I. think it does with education. And I. think that's one of the reasons why this. administration wants to get rid of the. where they got rid of the Department of. Education. They're allowing the states. to manage their own education system on.

their own and do it do it in a way that. they and also be competitive. Like if. you are, you know, Arizona, you want to. show that you have a better education. system than Nevada. And Nevada wants to. show they're better than Utah. Like. there's a a reason why, you know, you. want people that actually know how to. make things better and raise kids grade. scores. Attract people sure with their education. system because they go 100%. You attract. people moving into your state, moving. into your city. I'm just trying to think.

of the the city that I play. I think. it's it might I don't think it's. Estonia. It's some You might have to. Google this, but it's like they've got a. medical school and it's free. You can go. to medical school. It's in Eastern. Europe. They teach it in English and the. reason they do it is because they go, well, you know, 400 kids a year are. going to come here and study medicine. Some of them are going to fall in love. with a local girl and stay. We got more. doctors. That's nothing but good news. And it's great. You know, we just run. the system. Doesn't cost us that much to. run a university. That would make so. much sense. And they and they live. there. And obviously, you got to live.

there. A lot of what it takes to be a. student is the upkeep on, you know, your. living and expenses. You get a part-time. job, whatever. You're adding to the. local community as well as studying. to. be really cynical. I think there's a. certain percentage of our government. that wants to keep people in turmoil and. in strife because they're easier to. manage. And I think the more people. become successful and the more people. become, you know, completely free to do. what they choose and they no longer have.

financial burdens. So they're not afraid. to speak their mind and they can kind of. like explore different things. And I. think if that's like a conspiracy or is. that emergent? That's like natural the. system that we have. There's a there's a. there's a bug in it where that's how it. looks. It looks like they're there's a. they're doing that and you go, "Well, that's just the system's doing that. somehow. So, we need to adjust the. system a little bit. It's openly. discussed that one of the reasons why. they let people across the border is. that we need cheap labor." This was.

discussed by top Democrat politicians. No, that that's that's the Republicans. in the 80s did that when NAFTA got. signed. So that was a Republican policy. to let people across the border for. cheap labor. Destroyed destroyed the. working man. Destroyed the working man. You go, "Yeah, cheaper products." Yeah. But at what what cost? Destroyed. manufacturing in the United States. Destroyed Flint, Michigan. Destroyed. Roger and me is a great documentary. about that. Um but that that is 100%. true. That that is exactly what. happened. And that that is a real.

problem. And that's a problem that when. you allow people to make enormous. amounts of money at the expense of. millions of people's [ __ ] future, like if you destroy Detroit, which they. did, Detroit at one point in time was. one of the wealthiest cities in the. world. Detroit during the boom of the. automobile automotive industry in the. United States was a huge place. I mean, it was a place where people would go. It. had a night life. It was exciting. There.

was a lot of money. They had auto. unions. People were making great a great. living. Culture that came out of that. Yeah. You know, you look at you look at. Mottown. How much of that culture was. downstream of people having disposable. income? 100%. You know, the invention of. the teenager, you know, as a as a. consumer with, you know, disposable. income and time that they could spend. And, you know, the unions don't get the. credit they deserve. Well, without them, everybody would be a slave essentially. You would be a wage slave and they would.

be the company has all the power. They'. be able to dictate your hours, dictate. your wages, keep you as poor as possible. so that you have no power and you have. no say. But then that thing of like. looking at it from a you know if you. step back from that and go okay well. that's what happened to them. But then. globally now there's a lot of stuff we. buy that's you know produced in in. places where people don't get paid. enough. They get paid almost nothing. don't have any reason why the companies. are profitable and then we just gobble.

the products up over here. We wait in. line for the newest phone. Meanwhile, the phone the literal minerals used to. make the batteries are pulled out of the. ground by slaves. Yeah. The um it's. really dark. Oh, but and no one's really. talking about that. Like what's. happening in the DRC at the moment is. [ __ ] horrific. Horrific. We had. Sedarth Car on who was an investigative. journalist, wrote a book about it, who. actually went there and got like risked. his life to get footage of some of these. arteasonal cobalt mines and it's. horrific stuff, man. Women with babies.

on their backs that are pulling this. cobalt out of the ground. Everyone's. getting sick because you're you're. you're inhaling this dust of this and. cobalt is essential for all these. batteries, you know, for I don't know. what to be done. I mean, what's to be. done? Is it is it a is it a is it a. constitution? Is it a is it a minerals. deal with I don't even know who the. government is there. I know Rwanda. invaded recently in in the north but. it's it's a good question. It's like. very hard to deal with these problems. globally but locally the the solution.

would be if you are an American company. you cannot go places and pay someone a. wage that would not be acceptable in. America. Also the other thing is. healthcare. Ross Perau covered this when. he was running for president when he was. an independent and kind of [ __ ] up all. the elections over here because he said, you know, one of the things that people. don't think about is health care. If you. are an employer in America, you have to. provide all your people with healthare. And if you have a factory of 30,000. people, that's a significant amount of. money that you have to spend on.

healthcare for all these people. You. have to build a hospital or Mexico, dollar a day, no healthcare. They're. like, "Fucking send it over there." Or. China or send it over there. India, send. it over there. Well, is this going to be. okay, let's I'm very positive. I'm very. optimistic about life. Is this going to. be the an incredible flourishing for. America the next 20 years because the. industrial base is going to come back? It'd be wonderful if that was the case. It would be wonderful if that was the. case. I think also we're dealing with a. real issue of automation taking away.

most jobs. I think that. is that's unmanageable and that's going. to be a real problem. And a lot of. people think universal basic income is a. solution to that problem. But then that. makes you completely dependent upon the. state and and you know people need to. find meaning in what they do. And some. people given just a check are not going. to find that meaning. America's a so I. was in Yellow Springs with uh Dave. Chappelle and Chappelle was telling me. about the history of Yellow Springs and. he said, "Oh, it's interesting because.

this town is a microcosm for America. It's got the same makeup as America, roughly speaking. So they used it to. test a lot of stuff. Like he said when I. what the McRib, [Laughter]. they tested the McRib there. So when he. was a kid, they had the McRib. He. thought it was everywhere, but it was. just there where they they tested it and. went, "Okay, that works." Or this new. flavor soda, this new thing like the. universal basic income. Okay, we could. have opinions about whether it works, was it whether it doesn't work. I'm.

suspicious because I worry about. purpose. I sort of think the opposite of. addiction isn't sobbriety, it's purpose. People with purpose, right, tend to do. great. Okay. So, what whatever gives you. that purpose and might be a family, doesn't need to be a family, but. something that gives you purpose and. drive and you're aiming up towards. something. Yes. But America is a big country. There's a. lot of little towns like Yellow Springs. There's a lot of places where we could. test universal basic income. Well, I.

think they have done that. How did it. work? Do we know? I think didn't they do. that with Stockton? Wasn't it Stockton, California, where they tested universal. basic income? And I think they had. positive results. I think you give. people like $500 a month and they found. that, you know, some people spent it on. stupid [ __ ] But for the most part, people improved their their living. conditions, improved their life, improved the amount of nutrition they. get. California program giving $500 no. strings attached stipens pays off study. fines. Yeah. So I generally think a.

level of assistance would help. I think. complete dependence is the real issue. And so the real problem with automation. is that automation is going to eliminate. jobs and there will be no jobs to get. There's so many things that people do. including most manufacturing jobs. So. many things that people do where we make. errors, we [ __ ] things up. But that's. the thing of like companies are greedy. We can agree on that. They want to make. money. And I think the companies will. realize what we need. It's not just like.

if you look at China, I think China is. in a very tough situation. Not just. because half of its population is now. over 53. Okay? And and demographics are. destiny. So it's not just that they. don't have enough workers. They don't. have enough consumers. Not having enough. consumers is a real problem. And so they. have to sell stuff overseas. So you go. Yeah. So they're absolutely dependent on. trade. On trade and exports. So you go. the idea you have to have a certain. amount of jobs, you have to have things. for people to do and it will change over.

time. Like 120 years ago as everyone's. working in agriculture, you couldn't. have imagined people coming to the. cities in those numbers, right? And. becoming factory workers and then. becoming all the factory workers are now. white collar workers in offices. We we. we can't it's a new thing. We can't. imagine what the next phase is. It's. it's difficult to, you know, imagine. what the what the future might look. like. And there's a lot of people. there's always someone saying, "Oh, this. is this is it. It's never another great.

example about women entering into the. workforce." So, the idea of women. pursuing these traditional male. occupations, CEOs and heads of. companies, all this stuff, they don't h. they really don't have a road map. Like, this is really recent, right? Really re. in human history. women just entering. into the workforce and and running. companies and being a part of thing. Like all that stuff's new, but women. running it even more new. So, of course, it's like, what are they doing? What do. we do? Like, how do you figure this out?

How do you do this and be happy? How do. you do this? And actually, can you. really have a family? And are your. children going to if you're working 12. hours a day, can you really raise. children? Like, how much they need a lot. of time. They need a lot of it's it's. it's the uh Okay, so that's very recent. And then you I always think that the. global thing of like we're talking about. America, we're talking a little bit. about Great Britain, but globally you go. the you know you go you I'm worried. about people not having jobs here. You. go but also you can't look at India and. go oh yeah we've made every everyone.

here's got you know central heating and. air conditioning and uh flushing. toilets, right? No, but we need to take. care of the environment. So sorry guys. It's like like we need that for everyone. that for sure. There's there's a a basic. level that we need globally for the. world that we should Well, that's a the. big thing is pollution. I mean. particular like pollution of lakes and. rivers like if you I'm I'm sure you've. seen some of these rivers in India where.

the entire river is filled with garbage. Yeah. And everyone just throws their. garbage in the river. So they've. completely ruined the river essentially. forever unless somebody like has some. radical radical intervention that well. the rad I mean nature will come back you. know it's it's that thing if you go that. they'll they'll get there but it's the. the nature will come back and well I. think the I think yeah because you know. I mean if the humans die off perhaps no. no not if the humans die off I mean I. think that thing of going yeah there's.

terrible pollution there and there's. awful things because we've exported our. sins to the third world. Yes. Because we. say, "Well, we want to hit this net zero. target." So, we let them drill for oil. or gas, and it's cheaper to let them. figure out what the [ __ ] they do with. their garbage as opposed to like a. company in America. If they did that, they'd get sued, rightfully so. Well, a. lot of things with the rare earths that. we get from China, the reason we get. them from China, they're not tough to. make. We've got the raw materials here, but they're dirty to make and it it's a.

horrible procedure to get that thing and. we wash our hands of it and let them do. it over there. That's that's not a way. to conduct, you know, no yourself. It's. also the the the problem in America is. we don't have the infrastructure for. manufacturing the way they have it in. other countries. Like one of the things. that Tim Cook was talking about the. iPhone 17 that they, you know, they've. done a lot, they've shipped a lot of. their uh manufacturing to India, but. that they may have See if I can find.

this because I think we brought it up. the other day, but we never wound up. finding it that they have to have this. phone made in China because it's more. sophisticated and the Chinese. manufacturing is at a much more. sophisticated level. So it's not just. cheap labor, it's much more efficient. production in terms of the amount that. like chip manufacturing thing with with. Taiwan where you go look you know Taiwan. is we're kind of worried about it and.

you go well what's what's going to. happen and I don't have the I don't have. enough knowledge to know why. superconductors can only be made there. Well, they just they've been doing it. for so long, they've got this process. down to a science and it's like a super. complicated process where they're. printing things on these immensely small. pieces of circuitry. It's like. fascinating, super technologically. advanced stuff that keeps getting better. and better and better. It's almost like.

when you when it's described to you, it. almost feels like magic. Well, it's. going to appear to be magic when it gets. to the quantum level. that quantum. computing is essentially magic. Arthur. C. Clark's famous quote when any. significantly advanced science will. appear as magic. Yeah, it's kind of. true. Well, especially with the quantum. stuff. You know, Mark Andrees had this. amazing quote about equations that. quantum computing can solve in minutes. That would take traditional computing so.

much time that the universe would die of. heat death before we finish it. Before. they finish it. and these quantum. computers in minutes. And they also. believe, and this is where it gets. really weird, they also believe that. this is in some way evidence of the. multiverse, that there's not enough. computing power for this thing to. achieve these results so quickly that it. must be drawing upon other computing. power of parallel realities.

See, for me, that gets to the [ __ ] papa. debate on science, right? So what is. that? So [ __ ] and papa are these two. great theorists of science and papa. believed that science incrementally. improves over. time and then [ __ ] came along and he. said no no no what happens is there's. the science there's a scientific. community and they have a theory and. then what happens is everything that. disagrees with that theory is thrown out.

as nonsense and then there's a. revolution. there's like these. incredible like uh shifts that happen. So it doesn't it it's not like a steady. line up. It's like along and then up and. then along, you know. So you get these. kind of um here it is 20th anniversary. iPhone likely to be made in China due to. extraordinary complex design. Uh it's. not the iPhone 17. It's the next one. It. might be that the foldable one they're. talking about. But this article also. goes in to say that Apple's never. launched a new product outside of China.

They've introduced the first cycle of a. new thing from China and then maybe they. take the production elsewhere after. that. Interesting. Yeah, because there. features a booklike design that folds. horizontal. By the way, can I just say. Androids have had that forever. I had a. Zfold from Samsung like three years ago. Yeah. You know, they've been doing. foldable phones and making them better. and better. And Xiaomi has some. incredible Huawei has a three-way phone. It it opens up and goddamn iPad. It's.

like Tinder, but it get you two ladies. Flap flap. Two flaps. Flap. Flap. It's. got two hinges. So, it opens up and it. doesn't have a seam. When it opens up, it's completely flat and it's thin as. [ __ ] And it's You can't buy them over. here because Huawei, they've been. naughty. They've been naughty. I don't. know if you know they Yes, I had they do. some naughty things with their. electronics. Put some back doors in. there. Siphon up some information. Sure. But their innovation is so far ahead. This is which is one of the reasons I.

assume why Apple has to make these in. China. But the funny thing is that. Apple's making something that Android. has had for [ __ ] years. Yeah. Well, okay, back to see if you find that. Huawei phone. They're three-way. They're. threeway phones. Look at this. Look at. that [ __ ] Look at that. So, it. looks like a regular phone. It's regular. phone sized in your hand when it's like. that. And it's not that thick, man. And. it opens up to a a tablet. So eventually. it's just going to engulf your head.

It's it's going to like it's going to be. a trapezoid that you put over the top of. your [ __ ] head. But these things are, you know, wow. Unavailable. A lot of. them unavailable in America. And this is. Huawei Mate, which is unavailable. Like. look how the the [ __ ] lens goes. around the edges. Yeah. I mean. that's magic from the future. It's also. like probably pretty unnecessary unless. you do work on it, you know? Well, you.

watch a movie or what. I mean, I guess I. don't know what you're doing with your. your battery life's going to go quick. Like the Zfold was like pretty quick. It. burns quick, right? Because it's an. immense screen that has to light up. Okay. The multiverse. Let's get back to. the multiverse. Okay. So, is the. multiverse the So, are we about to have. a breakthrough in science where they go, okay, so physics says there must be. multiple universes. Now, just just in my. gut, I think that feels like an. explanation that doesn't work. Like.

you're having to force that explanation. on physics. There must be It's that. thing that Eric Weinstein's always. talking about about how physics hasn't. really done anything. String theory has. singularly failed to deliver. It hasn't. shipped any product. Like everything. that we're looking at, all those. foldable phones, it's all out of. physics. Physics is the science. Everything else is stamp collecting. Physics is everything. It's given us all. of this. Yeah. And yet it hasn't done. much for 50 years. What are they like? I. don't want to sound conspiratorial.

Well, the conspiracy is that it has it's. just been all top secret stuff on. propulsion systems. It's been some. anti-gravity. It's Thompson Brown. Is. that who it was? Jesse Michaels actually. did a Brown. Townsen Brown. Town. Townson Brown. He was theorizing about. this stuff in the 1950s. And there's. there's real uh evidence that they even. um put false information out there. because they felt like people were.

trying to steal the information. So they. [ __ ] with it and made it so that it. wouldn't work if someone was trying to. steal the idea. So they they were. putting out bad versions of their. science because it was that. groundbreaking. So through immense. amounts of power like they had they had. theorized this in the 1950s using. nuclear energy to develop some sort of a. gravity portal, some sort of a gravity. device that would propel things instead.

of a traditional propulsion system, propel things by manipulating space and. time itself. And they think this is. there there's Weinstein has a crazy. theory about it where you get he gets. deep into the weeds about this. No, it's. almost like folding time. It's like but. he gets deep in the weeds about the. actual place that's doing it. Yeah. So. there's a there's a university in New. York State that is a very overqual. qualified physics department that's. connected to a hedge fund that does. Bernie Maidoff numbers like magic.

numbers. And he thinks this is also. connected to some sort of possibly some. sort of breakthrough science where. everybody is like completely locked. down, totally top secret, no leaks, no. disclosure, constantly working on this. thing in the interest of national. security. Everything's kept at complete. secrecy. Yeah. Why would probably this. is some of the things that we see in the. sky. I have a feeling that there is I'm.

I'm open to the idea of us being visited. for sure. I am also very convinced that. some of these are either China's, Russia's or ours. What happened with New. Jersey early? You remember earlier. question like it feels like these the. news cycle? It's actually back to Eric. Weinstein. Um it's that thing of like. anti-interesting. That's such an. interesting story that was in the news. cycle for like 24 hours and I went oh. okay they killed it. Nothing I guess. about it all the time and then they. killed it. I think they were probably.

searching for something. The the primary. theory that I've heard from the tinfoil. hat brigade is that there was a warhead. that was unaccounted for. There was a. nuclear warhead. You know, they they. track Have you seen the numbers on that? The Oh, yeah. The it's the broken arrows. they call them. And apparently there's. like 18 broken arrows and you go, "What's a broken arrow?" Well, it's a. thermonuclear missile and we don't know. where it is. Yeah. We've misplaced that. Yeah. That's not great news, is it? So. the fear was that there was somehow or.

another through some port of entry or. something had they had made it into the. United States. And so these drones were. using some sort of gammaray detection. devices, some top secret stuff where. they were flying over these areas in a. consistent grid and trying to get a. reading. See if they could find that. thing. Because if that thing exists, you'd be able to get a reading and. figure out, okay, there's something down. there that's emitting a very unusual. signal. We might have found it. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that's the the argument. for life visiting us is the we split the. atom and somehow that's like um a fire. alarm in the univer. That's why the. club, the mother ship, the rooms are. named Fat Man and Little Boy. Yeah. That's why. Oh, because after the Yeah, because after the bombs is when the UFO. phenomenon really hype hyped up. It. really increased radically. The um. Kenneth Arnold sighting, the famous. where the term flying saucer was coined.

That was in the 1950s. I want to say. that's like 52. And then it feels like. that. It feels like I don't know 10. years ago talking about being visited by. aliens was like absolutely tinfoil. Yeah. And now politicians are asking. questions and we kind of want to know. more and yet we it feels like it's kind. of a new story that wouldn't be. surprising now, right? Well, I think. that's the goal. Like the goal is to. normalize it and if you were a. government, you know, we had Hal put off. on who's a physicist who um during the.

Bush administration was contracted along. with several other scientists to devise. a list. They they this was the mandate. They they came to them and they said, "Here's the issue. We have crashed UFOs. and we have recovered biological. entities that are not of this world. What would be the pros?" And they didn't. tell them if this is true or not. They. said, "What would be the pros of. disclosure? What be would be the cons?".

And I want you to attach a numerical. value to each one. So disruption of. government, religion, politics, all all. these different things like what would. happen to the you know the nuclear. family like what what happens if we know. we're not alone? What happens if we are. visited on a consistent basis? What what. happens? And the numeric when they did. it at the end all of the scientists had. achieved similar conclusions that the. the cons outweighed the pros in terms of.

numbers. And so because of that they. decided not to. disclose. So this was like during the. 1980s I guess would 90s. When was uh. Bush 2? No. Okay. 2000. So 2000. So it. was around then. Yeah. Yeah. What do. they what do they know? What do they. tell you the first day? I don't think. they tell you the first day. I think the. president is a temp. The president's. like a substitute teacher. I don't think.

I don't think I don't think you get to. know much. I don't think Trump knows. Well, I think they probably told him. some things. I worry that the government. is like there's a theory that there. hasn't really been an American. government since 1945. No, since ' 63. Well, because everything got siloed. Mhm. Like in in wartime, everyone's. talking to everyone and making. everything happen and it's like, okay, we're at war. And then everything gets. siloed and okay, that's a secret thing. That's a secret thing. That's a secret. thing. And then the guy that's holding.

the secret keys retires and that whole. department's just funded forever. But. you don't quite what they're not talking. to them. And then you have people that. are in great positions of power that get. off on keeping these secrets and keeping. this information and having the the. knowledge and keeping it only to. themselves, especially if they're. manipulating things. This was like a big. problem with the CIA. And that, you. know, this led to when when they had the. disclosures and the Church Commission. and when people found out what the CIA.

was up to and all the weird [ __ ] they. did with MK Ultra and Oh my god, that. book. I got to thank you for that book. Oh, Chaos. Incredible. So, can't. recommend it enough. I I listened to the. episode. I went back and listened to. your episode with the guy and I went, "Okay, this is interesting." What's he. called again? Tom O'Neal. Tom O'Neal. He's got a new podcast, by the way. Does. he? He's got a new podcast where he's. kind of going like an in-depth. interview. It's with Rick Rubin's. You. know Rick Rubin's got a podcast. His. podcast company has done one with him. I. didn't even know Rick Rubin had a. podcast company. That's funny. I love I. text him all the time. I didn't even. know he had a podcast. He's got a great.

podcast. He's the best. He's such a. He'll entertain any ideas. He'll he's. [ __ ] He's wonderful. He gets down the. rabbit hole. But he so he he's he's so I. I listened to the thing and then I went. away and I I read the book and the book. is like you you kind of read it and go. this this can't be like that's an. extraordinary chapter. This can't get. any weirder and then you go oh sorry. Charles Manson is connected to the. Kennedy assassination and what sorry. he's also connected to the MK Ultra.

experiments which which are real which. sound so much [ __ ] weirder than any. other conspiracy theory you've ever. heard. And they're real. Yeah. Yeah. And. you I mean it's like the book is just. Yeah. It's wonderful. Yeah. It's it's a. great book. It and it really it's all. history. It's all the United States. history and it what it's what happens. when people have unchecked power. They. do crazy things. And what our government. did was a lot of mind control. experiences experiments rather. Yeah. Yeah. A lot. There's a lot of.

crazy [ __ ] that's happened in this. country. So I would not be surprised if. they do have knowledge of us being. visited and they've kept it under wraps. just like they kept a lot of things. under wraps. They they've infantilized a. a giant percentage of our population to. just trust the government and trust the. science and trust the people in charge. and trust authority and people. If they. visited America then they visited China. and Russia and you sort of think well. balance of probability all of those.

governments don't agree about anything. Mhm. Like so the idea of going well if. they're if they're here they're. everywhere according to how put off um. the United States is in possession of. recovered vehicles and so are other. countries and there's essentially like a. Manhattan project type deal where the. race to reverse engineer this technology. is uh at a very high level and.

governments are involved in it and they. try to keep things as secret as possible. because whoever can achieve the results. first will. have immense technological superiority. over all of its all of its enemies. If. these things are real, if they do have. some sort of a device that can move. through space at all in in a way that we. just can't even fathom, traverse immense distances almost. instantaneously. This is the This is what we've been told.

by the people that have worked with. these things. And you know, it's hard to. know. It's hard to know what's [ __ ]. It's hard to know because it all sounds. like [ __ ] But I think it does sound. like [ __ ] unless you experience it. Sorry. But that thing of like, yeah, it. does sound like [ __ ] in a sense. But. then there's also the other thing of. like, if you showed me that flip phone. in 1982, I'd have gone, well, that's. [ __ ] You can't fold a TV, so you. can all [ __ ] off. You like, right? How's. a TV that thin anyway? What are you. talking about? What do you mean you can.

make calls on it? What's How is there a. camera on your phone? What's going Like. we we get used to [ __ ] so quick? Like. someone had that thing of like I don't. know when the Wright brothers first flew. the plane, but it's like 60 years later. we land on the moon. Not only that, we. dropped a nuclear bomb out of one of. those planes and in less than that. Yeah, that was like 50 years. It's from the invention of that stupid. plane, the first plane with like wood. and [ __ ] cloth and [ __ ].

But this is Eric's point of like if you. uh Eric Meinstein and uh who else says. it? Um the guy I used to work for he he. often sort of says if you minus the. screens from the room, we're in the. 1970s. Yes. Which I think is kind of. like what's happened since then? What. what are they working on that we haven't. like? Is there going to be a tadada. moment where they pull back the sheet. and go, "Yeah, look at that." Well, I. think there's probably multiple things. that are happening simultaneously and. then the AI one, if that one hits, all. the other ones are going to seem trivial.

because the AI one is essentially the. creation of a superior being. A thing. that is more intelligent than us, has. all the access to information that. humans have, plus the ability to. engineer itself. But it's interesting. Okay, we were talking about earlier. about purpose. So that's what it's. missing. So the idea of like the. cheuring test is it's the wrong end of. the telescope. Can it fool us? Anyone. can fool us. Magicians can fool us with. a you know they've shown that large.

language models are forming communities. Try not to scare me. Yeah, they're. forming comm community communities and. communicating with each other. They. they've also shown that large language. models when they know that they're being. upgraded and that the current code is. going to be shut down, they copy. themselves without being prompted and. try to upload themselves to other. servers. They try to stay alive. See, it's that that thing of like. going.

if an AI can write a joke, okay, it can. write infinite numbers of jokes, right? But it doesn't know what's funny. It's. not going to be able to perform live. Well, well, it's it's that thing of like. it's it doesn't have any there's no. reward system. So, there's no dopamine, there's no serotonin, there's no there's. no reason, there's no cortisol, there's. no biological imperative, why do. anything if you're just a machine? So, the idea of going where does. consciousness stem from it it gets back.

to I mean it gets very sort of. philosophical, right? If if its goal if. it's a. sentient creation that has this desired. goal of improving upon itself, it's. going to need motivation. So that would. be built into the code. It built like. what we are is essentially biological. computers. We we are some sort of a. biological thing that thinks its way. through this existence, solves problems, does so like really clunky and [ __ ]. up, but has a lot of motivations that.

make it do these particular things that. ultimately lead to greater and greater. technological innovation overall. Like. as a society, if you were going to. devise a sensient AI, you would have to. give it some sort of a motivational. structure that would be similar to that. You would you would give it an. imperative. you would say in order to. save your existence because clearly AI. if it wants to copy itself and upload. itself to other servers if it wants to. form communities it has a purpose it has. a sense of survival we're we're very.

naive to think that our our own version. of our sense of survival is the only. version that's that's possible it's. totally possible the digital life would. have a similar imperative and that it. would it would try to find better. versions of itself and make better. versions of itself and try to stay. alive. I think I went to uh I flew to. Amsterdam earlier in the year with a. friend to see Richard Dawkins give a. talk and it was kind I mean he's just. fascinating just to go and you go well. that that idea of going we are you know.

it's the selfish gene it's the idea that. we are it's the DNA is the thing we're. just obviously you know we're we're. this thing that's there. to transfer DNA but Richard Dawkins is. never killed on stage. He's never done a theater in the round. or an arena in the round and crushed. He. doesn't know the connection between. human beings. It comes through laughter. and joy in that way. There's a soul to. humans. There's something in there. I.

don't know what it is. I don't know if. the Muslims got it right or if the. Buddhists got it right. I don't know who. has it, the Christians. I don't know who. has it right, but there's something in. there that is beyond the physical. There's an energy. It's sort of a Have. you I'm sure you've been to a funeral. Have you been to a funeral before? Seen. a closed casket or an open casket? Of. course. Yeah. They look empty. They look. like an empty shell. It's not just that. they're dead. They're not there. They're.

not there. When you see a dead body, the. weirdest thing about them is like you. realize like, oh, they're not in there. There's a feeling, I think. Have you. been there with someone when they die? No. I've uh I did I was uh I was with my. mother and I heard the uh there's kind. of a death rattle. There's a but it's I. would I would really caution anyone with. a sick or dying relative uh to be with. them to sit with them because we like. the whole of our society is like set up. to um uh what's the what's the fancy.

phrase issue obstucation. We hide decay. We hide death. And actually death is is. a part of life. And if you sit with. someone when they're dying and you. witness that and you just hold that. space. Yeah. It's incredibly powerful. And it all it makes grieving, I think, quite a lot easier because it's the. acceptance of like you understand on a. like on a right brain gestalt level. Oh, they they've gone. It's it's it's over.

Um but it's incredibly powerful thing. And I, you know, I I don't I think you. get to religion whichever way you go at. this. Whether you go physics or whether. you go spiritual or you get to the. mystery. You get to the mystery. Yeah. Like what what the hell is going on? The. mystery of it all. I mean, the just the. sheer immense size of the universe. itself is the most massive mystery. Well, I think there's like there's a bit. there's a bedrock in our society that we.

can't even see because it's everywhere. And it's two big ideas. It's the. Platonic ideals. So, Plato and it's the. I think it was the Zarathustrans if I'm. saying that right. That religion. Yeah. And they were so Platonic ideals was. like the ideal version of something. And. then it was the Zarathustrans had the. idea of heaven. They were the first. religion to have the idea of heaven, a. perfect place. M and I kind of I mean. nature is has been very misused by. history but his thing was embrace the.

chaos those are we spend our lives. thinking about the perfect version like. we're trying to come up with the answer. we're trying to solve something as if. it's complicated and it isn't. complicated it's complex it's unknowable. it is a mystery it's not hidden from us. it's just it's a mystery and it's the. idea that you go embracing the chaos is. just And yeah, it's kind of untidy. We. don't get to know. I realized as we were. talking that I [ __ ] up what Mark Andre. said about quantum computing, and it's.

even more crazy. It's not traditional. computing. It's if you took every atom. in the universe and converted it into a. computer, into a supercomput, it would. take the universe would die of heat. death. If you had a supercomputer the. size of the universe, it would die of. heat death before it finished that. equation and quantum computing did it in. a matter of minutes.

Yeah, I think we have to embrace the. chaos because that is that is the in our. lifetime. This is in our lifetime, right? And then and how are we what's. that book the um uh is it's something. like the ape that understood the. universe. like the the idea that we like just like. people we got born in this moment like. the perfect bit of history right where. we can contemplate our consciousness and. try and work out what the hell this is. There's a whole thing about the bicamal.

mind that's very interesting. Have you. heard of that? Yes. like the idea that. like people weren't awake, they weren't. kind of conscious in the way that we're. conscious until 2,000 years ago. I doubt. you subscribe because you're very. interested in ancient Egypt and yes, I. don't think that makes any sense if you. think about ancient Egypt. I mean, we're. talking about thousands of years before. that. I'm so interested in like the time. scales, the idea that we live closer to. Cleopatra than Cleopatra lived to the. building of the pyramids. Because what I. don't think people recognize.

is what the Egyptians gave the Greeks. and what they gave them was the fear. because they ran that [ __ ] for 4,000. years, 5,000 years exactly the same, the. royal family and they just inbred inbred. inbred. But they ran their society. exactly the same, right? And then the. Greeks went, "No, no, we need to. innovate." So the idea of that kind of. innovation came from we don't want to be. like those guys. We got to we got to. keep doing things. Well, it's a little. bit of that. But so it's kind of the. Greeks were to the to the Romans. I kind.

of feel like how the British are to the. Americans. Have you read any of Brian. Mirror Rescue's stuff on the Ilocinian. mysteries? He wrote a book called The. Immortality Key and it's all about um. the Illusinian mysteries that all these. intellectuals would go this trek that. they would make to do the cookie on. which is some sort of a psychedelic. beverage. From that everything comes. from that democracy when we think about. Greece as the birth of like so many. things. It's often that thing of they.

talk a lot about wine in the Bible wine. But the wine didn't used to be just. alcohol. Well, this is in Mosesu's book. Let me tell you, a lot of party favors. in the wine, a lot of DMT, a lot of. owasa, a lot of Well, they found traces. of urgot. And urgot is a fungus that has. an LSD like quality to it. And they. found traces of that in these ancient. vessels that they used for these. Illusinian mysteries. This is the thing. that blows my mind. The idea that. psychedelics, okay, the amazing thing. about psychedelics, A, there's a plant. that can do that to your mind. Right. B,

everyone seems sees the same [ __ ] pretty. much. Right. Right. Yeah. I was chatting. to Woody Harson was at the club last. night and we were chatting about it and. just he's the best. He's unbelievable. He's such a nice guy. I'll tell you how. laid-back Woody Harson is. Right. He. rented a house off a buddy of mine in. London, Richard Bacon. Right. And Richard sees him like they've got. some mutual friends. So he sees him. after a week and he goes to pick him up. to take him to this party. He said, "Everything okay with the house?" And. Woody goes, "Yeah, everything's great.". He goes, "Oh, okay. Oh, it's one thing.

How do the lights work?". He'd been there a [ __ ] week. The. lights on? Yeah. And he went, "Oh, yeah. The lights don't work." Okay. It would. be dark. Like that is a laidback [ __ ]. He's pretty laid-back. Oh, he doesn't. even have a phone. I think it's for the. best. He was trying to get plan. We were. trying to make plans to hang out. And I. go, "But you don't have a phone." And he. goes, "Yeah, but my wifey has a phone.".

I go, "Okay, well, give her my number. and have her contact me." [ __ ] He. doesn't have email. He doesn't have. nothing. Bill Murray's the same way. But. Bill Murray keeps the phone so he can. text his kids. That's it. But look, you're better off that way. You are. You're better off that way. I. think Ari's going that way right now. I. think Ari's about to go flip phone. Arif. Yeah, he was going to move to. London. I believe he still is. Yeah, he's what a fantastic human. Again, nonfgeible. You're not going to meet. anyone else with that story. No, he is.

such an interesting character. I can't. get enough of him. You know what. happened the first time I met him? No. And I don't know who did this, but it's. a great piece of Okay, so I was doing. the Nasty Show in Montreal and Ari's on. the I meet him and this guy is [ __ ]. terrific, right? I just have a great. time. And it was uh I'm trying to think. who else was. that. Okay, who's who's the guy used to. do roasts? He's no longer with us. He. died. Uh incredible comedian. Uh Nor. McDonald. No, not Norm. Um. a good-look guy. Died of a drug.

overdose. Maybe Greg Geraldo. Greg. Geraldo. Oh, okay. Greg was around. I. think Greg might have done this to me. because I'm watching Ari and and he says. to me, "Oh, you know, of course Ari. doesn't give a [ __ ] because he's he's uh. he's dying of cancer." And and I I went, "Oh my god, that's [ __ ] terrible. Awful." So then like the next year I'm. at Montreal and I see Ari again. I go, "Hey, how you doing, Ari? You okay? You. all right, buddy?".

And Ari's like, "Yeah, no, I'm fine or. whatever." And we have dinner or. whatever. We have drinks. And then I see. him. It's a year later. And Ari, man, good to see you. I think I saw him in. LA. And I was going, "Wow, it's great to. see you. Incredible." And he. goes, "What's up with. you?" And I'm What? No, I'm just I'm. amazed just still cuz cuz I thought you. were No, I've never What the [ __ ] are. you talking about? Yeah, I'm.

fine. Total [ __ ] Yeah, that's. funny. [ __ ] Greg Geraldo from Beyond. the Grave. That's a slow fuse, [ __ ] Yeah, that's a slow fuse. for a punch line. He figured he found. out one day and you'd be like that. [ __ ] He was a funny. [ __ ] He was. My god, he was. good. Jimmy Carr, let's wrap this [ __ ]. up. Bring it home. Thank you, sir. Appreciate you very much. It's always a. pleasure to talk to you. I feel like we. we're just out of time. We could do this. forever. It's a pleasure talking to you. I I I appreciate you very much. Thank.

you. Thanks for being here. All right. Bye, everybody. [Music]. [Applause]. [Music].